[Sounding gavel]
>>Mayor Pachota: all right.
Let's call this meeting to
order.
MADAM Clerk, a roll call,
please.
>>Kevin Engelke: here.
>>Rachel Frank: here.
>>Rick Howard: here.
>>Ron Smith: here.
>>Lloyd Weed: here.
>>Vice Mayor Boldt: here.
>>Mayor Pachota: and I'm here as
well.
We will stand for the invocation
and today's pledge can be led by
captain hill.
>>Kelly Michaels: lord father,
we pray for our mayor, city
council and all who serve our
community.
Strengthen us with wisdom and
grace for the work that we do
every day.
MAY our duties be carried out
with respect and care, keeping
our hearts pure as we work
towards the best interests of
all of our residents.
Amen.
[Pledge of allegiance]
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
Let's have some fun.
If we could get the police chief
to join me up front, and we will
start with james browning and
family.
>> good morning, everybody.
This is a great day for the
police department.
We get to have three promotions
that we're celebrating.
First, I just want to thank city
council for kind of helping us
over the recent months to
reorganize our department,
creating some new positions as
well and helping us to move
forward.
thank you for that and for
celebrating these moments with
us.
The supervisors will be taking
the oath of office.
When you start as a police
officer, you take this oath and
during these milestones where
they take on new
responsibilities, it's a good
opportunity to publicly renew
that oath.
That oath is to uphold the
constitution and the laws of the
state of florida and the trust
that the community puts in them.
Then we have pinning of the
badge, which is part of the
ceremony where, in this case,
the badge elevates them to a new
role.
If anyone has a business, you
know that your line-level
supervisors are some of the most
important.
James browning here is moving
into that critical role.
He will be a role model for the
officers.
A lot of them you see here.
And really as a supervisor sets
the tone for the organization.
So we're looking forward to him
taking on this new
responsibility.
And then we incorporate family,
his wife jessica is here, into
this moment because these
achievements are not their own.
It's shared achievements because
their family is with them during
all the hard times and all the
good times as well.
We're glad to have her here with
us.
Let's go ahead and get started.
>> I james browning, do solemnly
swear, that I will support,
protect, and defend the
constitution and government of
the united states and of the
state of florida.
That I am duly qualified to hold
my position under the
constitution of the state.
That I will well and faithfully
perform the duties of sergeant
of which I am now about to
enter.
So help me GOD.
[Applause]
>> when we swear in the new
officers, I usually don't make
them say anything.
As a supervisor, I feel like
it's only appropriate.
[Laughter]
>> thank you, chief.
First, I want to say I'm
grateful and thankful for GOD
for giving me this point.
Also, I want to thank my wife --
>> yep.
[Laughter]
>> -- my family, my kids who
have been my support system and
have sacrificed so much.
Thank you guys.
Thank you, chief, and the
command staff for entrusting me
with this new role and position.
I don't take it lightly.
The officers, my past
supervisors, colleagues, thank
you for getting me to this
point.
You guys have assisted me and
helped me out so much.
I really appreciate you.
I'm thankful for this
opportunity.
Thank you.
[Applause]
>>Mayor Pachota: next, we'll get
matt sauchinitz and family.
>> this is another great
promotion -- thank you.
With the pinning of this badge,
now we're moving to a higher
level of authority and
responsibility.
Not only is he still being the
model for the officers, but he's
also running a division.
He will be in charge of the
patrol division as he takes on
this new role as captain.
So he will also be developing
supervisors now.
The sergeants and lieutenants
that work under his command.
And he's certainly shown over
the years that he's prepared for
this job with his dedication and
his service.
I've known matt a long time.
Pretty cool for me, too, and
jill.
I might need a hug.
Of course, jill has been there
through all the difficult times
and all the good times.
And there's been many of both.
I'm glad to see you here as
well.
Let's go ahead and do this.
>> I, matthew sauchinitz, do
solemnly swear that I will
support, protect, and defend,
the constitution and government
of the united states and of the
state of florida, that I am duly
qualified to hold my position
under the constitution of the
state.
That I will well and faithfully
perform the duties of captain on
which I am now about to enter,
so help me GOD.
[Applause]
>> now the pinning of the badge.
[Applause]
>> all right, matt.
It's your turn.
>> first, thank you for
everybody being here today,
supporting me and my family in
this ceremony, along with the
other people getting promoted.
it really means a lot to feel
that support.
First and foremost, I need to
thank my beautiful wife here.
Every law enforcement officer
that comes up here, the first
person they recognize and
support is their wife, their
husband, their significant
other.
And there is a reason for that.
Law enforcement can be
challenging.
We have our ups and downs.
I've been doing this for 18
years.
My beautiful wife has been by my
side the whole time.
She's been there to support me,
listen to me, be with me.
Thank you.
I love you, sweetie.
Next, you two.
There is a common expression
that some things in life are
bigger than you.
It's true.
Thank you for allowing me to
understand that and believe.
Mom and I are so proud of you.
We love you.
I love both of you.
Thank you.
[Applause]
My family, my parents and my
brother, who are sitting here
and many of you here today,
thank you for the support.
Some of you would find this hard
to believe.
It is true.
I was the wild child growing up.
I put my parents through quite a
bit.
Right after 2001, the terrorist
attacks, I decided to join the
military.
I joined the marines.
24 years ago I was sitting at my
dinner table and I told my mom
and my dad, I said I'm going to
join the marines.
It was 2003.
There was a lot going on in the
world.
My mom looked at me and said,
"you know that is the hardest
one, right?"
I said, yes, I know.
That was it.
That's all she said.
As mother and father, they
supported me for everything I
went through.
When I came back to the world,
they made sure that I was
standing upright and supported
me into the next path.
Thank you and I love you.
To my brother, hardest working
guy I've ever met.
Thank you for being that mentor
and showing me what real work
ethic is.
Thank you.
Finally, everybody in the back,
you know, sworn, non-sworn,
civilian, not just the police
department, it's the city.
We have so many great people
that work here.
Been privileged to see that for
18 years of everybody who really
puts in time every day to make
sure that the city is running to
the best we can.
Thank you for your public
service.
I really appreciate that.
Thank you all.
Have a good day.
[Applause]
>>Mayor Pachota: all right.
That's it for promotional
ceremonies today.
[Laughter]
If we could get alicia white to
come up with the kids.
Louis, you're going to be
postponed to NOVEMBER 3rd when
i'm not in office anymore.
>> all right.
Got to keep the mayor in line
sometimes.
It's not an easy job.
For this next pinning and oath
of office, again, I want to
thank council, because this is a
position that kind of went away
from our department for a while.
And it was much-needed, so I
appreciate the opportunity to
bring it back.
Deputy chief white is certainly
the right person for the job.
This role certainly has the
highest level of trust at our
agency, but not only that, with
the city as well being that it's
with the police department.
He's not only making sure our
mission and vision is
implemented, he now has a hand
in shaping that.
Very important role and he's
proven time and time again that
he's prepared for it through his
efforts and dedication.
Alicia, thank you for being
here.
Again, I know all the phone
calls that I've made to him at
night that you probably had to
hear and all the good times, the
bad times throughout his career
and the sacrifices that he's
made that you've stood behind
him.
Thank you for being there.
Let's go ahead and get started.
>> I, louis white, do solemnly
swear that I will support,
protect, and defend, the
constitution and government of
the united states and of the
state of florida, that I am duly
qualified to hold my position
under the constitution of the
state and that I will well and
faithfully perform the duties of
deputy chief of which I am now
about to enter, so help me GOD.
[Applause]
>> the mayor is going to help
out with the pinning today.
He secretly fired him I think 22
times.
2200 times.
So this is redemption.
[Applause]
Congratulations.
>> thank you to MR. Mayor for
pinning me.
Chief, for your dedication to
kind of mentoring me in this
role, preparing me with this
role and trusting me with the
role.
To the city manager, appreciate
it and venice city council for
voting yes on the staffing
changes and some of the things
we have forthcoming.
To my wife, I appreciate it.
Thank you for being with me all
these years.
I know the late-night calls from
lieutenant danaman often two,
three times after 2 A.M., gets
stressful.
Usually she boots me to the
couch after the second call.
I do appreciate it.
To my kids for understanding
when daddy walks away with a
phone call from the chief, from
the mayor or whoever it MAY be.
Love you guys.
To the staff in the back,
officers, I think the most
important thing of the staffing
study that came out of it in had
my mind was we're running lean,
right?
You guys feel that day in and
day out.
What the staffing study vendors
came to us with was, it's your
effort, your daily effort and
dedication, really, that make
sure we uphold the standards
that the citizens expect, that
the council expects and that the
chief expects.
So hold that high.
Hold your chin high as we move
forward.
There could be budget
constraints coming up with the
property tax amendment, but
we'll shift stuff around, work
lean if we have to, and we'll
get it accomplished.
Just trust us to move forward
with that.
That's all I have.
I do appreciate the chief again
for kind of mentoring me in this
role and getting me ready and
prepped for the future.
[Applause]
>>Mayor Pachota: with that, we
will come back at 30 after.
We'll go take photos out front
[Sounding gavel]
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
We are back.
We are now on to audience
participation.
Audience participation will be
limited to one hour for the
first portion.
MADAM Clerk, how many do you
have signed up?
>>Kelly Michaels: six.
>>Mayor Pachota: six.
Okay.
Speakers are not to address
council members individually.
Any person making personal,
impertinent or slanderous
remarks or becomes disorderly
MAY be barred from the meeting.
This is an opportunity to
provide the city council with
your comments.
City council will not respond to
any questions or comments during
this time per the city code.
A member of city staff will
follow up with you if it's
appropriate.
Any documents shown during
audience participation or part
of the meeting must be given to
the clerk for the official
record.
MADAM Clerk, our first speaker.
>>Kelly Michaels: our first
speaker is steve ogle thorpe.
He has five minutes.
>>Mayor Pachota: good morning
and welcome, sir.
>> good morning, MR. Mayor,
council members, and city of
venice staff.
My name is steve oglethorpe.
I live here in venice.
I believe that city employees
are misleading the city council
and the public about intentions
for the airport.
I believe this based on recent
information presented by city
employees.
In a nutshell, they are telling
the council and public one thing
while telling the federal
aviation administration the
opposite.
On JUNE 23rd, james clinch,
the venice city manager, led a
presentation to the council.
That presentation included
several statements.
First, that venice is not
working on increasing or
decreasing operations at the
airport.
In the presentation the word
"not" is in bold capitals.
Second, venice is not working on
what he called the t word.
It is the airport administration
building.
In the presentation, the word
"not" is in bold capitals.
Yet in the JULY faa discussion
briefing by nicholas dew mass,
the airport director for the
city, there is discussion of,
first, a quote, new terminal
project and control room
timeline.
Second, a budget for venice to
hire five full-time staff to
manage increased traffic.
Third, planning to fund this
through, quote, protecting and
expanding the airport's existing
revenue base.
Fourth, quote, growth driven
revenue through, quote, flight
training expansion, corporate
and business aviation, increased
transit operations and new
aviation business development.
Fifth, a quote 29.8 percent
projected revenue growth over
the period fiscal year '26 to
fiscal year '29.
Finally, of a, quote, new
terminal building, a two-story
hurricane hardened terminal
administration building at a
projected cost of 7 to 9
million.
These recent presentations are
directly contradictory.
The public is being told one
thing.
The faa another.
One position or the other is
intentionally deceptive.
MR. Mayor and council members, I
request that the city end any
and all current applications,
negotiations, or plans underway
with the federal aviation
administration.
Further, I request that venice
scrap all vnc master planning to
date and begin anew with a
process characterized by honest
and open communication among all
stakeholders.
Thank you very much.
>>Kelly Michaels: the next
speaker is amber jacob.
She has five minutes.
>>Mayor Pachota: good morning
and welcome.
>> good morning.
Good morning, all.
My name is amber jacob.
I am with my favorite race
events.
We are a local company nonprofit
that produces 5Ks, 10Ks and
was planned to introduce our
very first half marathon this
year.
Our largest event, megalodon
weekend, is held the first
weekend in MARCH.
On topic with the airport,
unfortunately, last spring we
were sent an e-mail that said we
could move forward with
permitting our events but there
was no guarantee that we would
be allowed to have our event.
That being said, we have about
1200 people that take place in
our megalodon weekend.
We bring in a lot of revenue.
We bring in a lot of volunteers.
We include the entire community
in our events and we give back a
ton of money to the community.
We could not launch our event
because we can't take thousands
of dollars from people and then
tell them, hey, sorry, by the
way, the event is not happening.
Luckily, darlene culpepper has
worked tirelessly to get us kind
of an answer.
And we were just told maybe two
weeks ago that we could move
forward with permitting and
housing our events at the
airport ground through spring.
I would love for myself, for our
nonprofits and for all the other
event holders in the town that
there's got to be a more
concrete date or there's got to
be an answer somewhere.
We keep being told that someone
in the faa has a paper on her
desk and that that answer is
there but keeps getting piled
under other more important
things and events at the airport
ground are just not important,
so why figure out that date.
Well, they are important because
we all rely on that.
You know, there is a ton of
events that take place out
there.
I really think that someone has
an answer.
So can we work on getting a more
concrete date?
Can we house our events out at
the airport ground through 2027
or can we house them out there
through 2029?
Again, we were supposed to be
including and introducing a half
marathon this year, and that
would have brought in a ton of
revenue.
We've been working closely with
the gasparilla distance classic,
if anyone is familiar with that.
They bring in millions of
dollars to the tampa area, and
that was our hope for venice was
to be a smaller version of the
gasparilla distance classic and
really grow that event to be a
destination event for venice.
So to have an answer of how long
will we have to produce our
events out at the airport ground
would really help a lot of us
event holders going forward with
planning, but also not only
having a date of how long we
have to house our events out
there, but there's a ton of
property out there.
Is the possibility of sharing
that property even an option?
Can faa keep part of it but also
still allow the city of venice
to have part of that property to
continue with events?
I mean, I'm not an architect and
I'm not a surveyor, but having
our events out there can
visually see there is a ton of
property left untouched.
Could we please get a date and
could we even maybe talk about
sharing that property?
That would be incredible.
Thank you for your time.
>>Mayor Pachota: thank you for
your comments.
MADAM Clerk, the next speaker.
>>Kelly Michaels: the next
speaker is bryce ferguson.
He has five minutes.
>>Mayor Pachota: good morning
and welcome.
>> good morning.
Thank you, MR. Mayor and
council, members of city staff.
When I was a little boy, nine
years old, one of the things I
looked forward to most on
weekends was meeting with my dad
out at the venice airport and
having a little cessna 172 and
taking to the skies.
Wasn't his plane.
One he borrowed, rented,
whatever the circumstances were,
I don't know.
I was a little kid and I got to
go flying and I loved it.
I would spend all week at venice
elementary and go up in the air.
Fly all over the area.
Head south, go to the keys,
north, to my grandma's house in
lake city.
We always had an adventure.
This year, this spring, I took
my dad for his final flight as
his cremated remains were spread
in the gulf three miles
offshore.
I tell you this because I want
you to understand where I'm
coming from, someone for whom
this airport has always been
very vital in my life as an
airport.
But when I look at the vision
emblazoned on the back of the
wall here in chambers, that
airport ground is so much more
than just aviation.
And I understand, and this has
been a public discourse for a
while now, and a lot of back and
forth and had many things to
navigate.
I as a member of our community
appreciate your hard work and
diligent effort on making sure
we retain our vibrance and our
historic value and understand
that this is a historic year at
a hundred years of being a
municipality, the change has
become inevitable through that
process.
But I am asking that you
preserve a few of the great
things about our community as
you navigate all these
complications.
As previously mentioned, the use
of the fairgrounds is so much
more than a place for an event.
These are places where annual
events have happened over the
years, where young people get
volunteer hours, where
nonprofits make enough revenue
to continue to exist for the
next 12 months.
Where folks like myself take
kids to the italian feast to
have their first experiences of
what a festival can be like,
where I, as a kid, got to go
spend mom and dad's $10 on
tickets to ride rides and play
carnival games, where the chalk
festival helps local venice
nokomis rotary raise funds for
all of the great mission work
they do.
and so many other organizations.
Public records show that between
80 and 100 thousand members of
our community and surrounding
communities participate in these
events every year.
Once there are unknowns,
unknowing of the future where
these events could be held, will
they be held?
Next year, three years from now?
Whenever there is uncertainty,
participation drops.
People can't plan their
vacations and travels around the
great events if they don't know
they'll happen.
Clarity is kindness.
I ask that as soon as you can,
if we can have clarity on how we
move forward as a community and
hope that you will all continue
to seek preservation of the
grounds for the purposes that
are much bigger than aviation
use of the airport.
It is publicly available that
there are provisions within the
faa handbook published FEBRUARY
of this year to allow for
community and municipal airports
to use their spaces for
non-aviation purposes.
I know that you all are doing
your due diligence.
I appreciate it.
Just hope that you guys can
continue to find ways forward
that will continue to include
that vibrant portion of our
community.
Thank you for your time this
morning.
>>Mayor Pachota: thank you for
your comments.
>>Kelly Michaels: the next
speaker is bonnie kivlan.
She has five minutes.
>>Mayor Pachota: good morning
and welcome.
>> good morning.
Thank you for allowing me to
speak.
My issue is the proposal that
was written by city manager
clinch, and I think also airport
director dumas.
I'm not sure how he pronounces
his name.
The gentleman who preceded me,
who was the first speaker, very
clearly listed the reasons why
we're having a problem with the
proposal that was written by
these two gentlemen.
Interestingly, it was not
brought up at a council meeting
on JUNE 9, which would have at
least given the community
knowledge of what was going on.
It's feeling from the
neighborhood almost being
totally dishonest.
I've been involved or I've been
active in going to the meetings
that are talking about the
future of the airport and
planning for the airport.
And each of those meetings, we
were told that a remote tower,
if anything, would be
administration building, it
would basically be technology in
an administration building.
This proposal is asking for a
two-story tower, and we were
also told that the tower was
supposed to be mainly for
safety, that it was not going to
bring in increased jet activity.
This proposal is saying that it
is -- the building or the tower
would be seven to eight million
dollars or more, and it would be
paid for by more activity from
private jets and businesses.
Interestingly, this proposal is
out there right now in AUGUST,
which you all know is before the
snowbirds come down, the people
who live near the airport.
My main goal is not about just
the people who live near the
airport.
I live near the airport and I
see from NOVEMBER through MARCH,
it's just lines of cars.
It's about the beach.
It's about sharky's.
It's about our weather.
It's about venice.
I can't understand how more jet
activity at the airport is going
to benefit venice, florida.
Let me just see if there's
anything.
I maybe have a minute.
The proposal is exactly the
opposite of what we've been told
at the meetings.
Exactly the opposite.
We were told that it was for
safety, that it would be maybe
two years out.
This is right now, and they have
written it and they have done it
at a time when nobody is here to
notice.
And I'm asking for this proposal
to be withdrawn immediately
before it gets put on a schedule
for meetings in fall.
Thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: thank you for
your comments.
MADAM Clerk, the next speaker.
>>Kelly Michaels: the next
speaker is brett spangler and he
has five minutes.
>>Mayor Pachota: MR. Spangler,
good morning and welcome.
>> good morning.
Welcome back.
Hope everybody had a good break.
>>Kelly Michaels: sir, you want
to pull up a video, is that
correct?
You're going to play it.
Sit in that spot there.
And then when you are ready, i
will share the screen.
>> thank you.
In light of the deeply
concerning faa grant proposal
and slide deck briefing, I
realize that nobody in
particular is interested in
hearing from me.
What we all want is answers and
accountability from you, the
city staff and city council.
In that same vein, I compiled
video clips from the APRIL 8
capital improvement plan
workshop and the JUNE 23rd
city council meeting regarding
the airport.
I want to preface that it is not
my intent to make enemies here
today.
I've had the pleasure of
speaking with many of you and my
gut tells me that you are
generally good people and want
to do the right thing.
>> video: when we say there is
misinformation out there, every
pr course I ever took or taught,
if there's misinformation, it's
your fault.
Your job is to get out the
correct --
>> the city is not actively
increasing or decreasing
operations.
>> the festival grounds, and
that's actually where we're
looking to concentrate where
jets would be versus the rest of
the airport.
One of the plans that we have is
to put in this taxiway which
would then open that area for
that type of development so that
jets would be on that side of
the airport.
If we find the developer who is
willing to work with us for a
development over on that side of
the airport, that we can give
them rent credits if they
provide the funding to build
this taxiway.
Currently, the faa and F.D.O.T.
Will not participate in a
project that is solely for
economic development.
They'll do it for safety,
efficiency, and capacity issues,
but they will not do it for an
economic reason.
Trying to put the creative hat
on to find alternative funding.
>> we are not actively working
on a part 139 compliance.
We're on the trajectory of
becoming required by the faa to
meet the part 139 standard.
>> control tower for the airport
and that's for fiscal '31.
Any questions on the control
tower?
No questions on that one.
>> there are several in
operation across the country is
my understanding referred to as
remote towers.
So it's not brick and mortar.
They sit in a control room and
they direct traffic no different
than a tower, but they are not
visible on the airport property
in terms of brick and mortar.
>> this is going to be a pole.
>> but in functionality it
performs the same function as
having a 70-foot control tower.
I think that's important.
>> that's correct.
>> none of us want to see a 75,
80-foot round tube sticking up
out on the airport property.
>> they don't generate a lot of
capital investment revenue.
They rely solely -- almost
entirely on grants from the
state and the faa.
So expediting these projects,
which is something that we are
focused on, will have to happen
through these public-private
partnerships in order to have
that funding available.
The way they are programmed now
is to make sure we get the state
and federal funding that's
available.
But we are absolutely moving
forward with the potential to
move these projects up.
>> they have different
priorities in the community at
times.
Our priorities are always going
to be safety first, period.
Financial sustainability second.
And working with the community
is going to come third.
It has to for the interest of
the airport.
>> after reviewing the faa grant
proposal, I can't help but feel
we are being misled about city
staff's vision for the airport
under the guise of promoting
safety.
My concern, along with hundreds
who cannot attend today, is that
the actual vision is to pursue
as many government grants as
possible, attract public-private
partnerships to fuel further
growth and ultimately generate
profits to pay for all the new
obligations we acquired with
free faa money.
The grant proposal and slides
taken with the context of
capital improvement, the master
plan, the city council meetings,
makes the vision abundantly
clear.
This council should rescind and
postpone all grants until there
is a vision that's voted on by
elected officials and puts
residents' concerns first, not
last.
>>Mayor Pachota: thank you for
your comments.
madam clerk, next speaker.
>>Kelly Michaels: the last
speaker is jonathan barrett.
He has two minutes.
>>Mayor Pachota: jonathan
barrett.
Two minutes.
Good morning and welcome.
>> good morning.
My name is jonathan.
This is my first time speaking
before the council.
I'm here because I care deeply
about humphris park, south jetty
and continued public access to
our shorelines.
I understand hurricanes helene
and milton caused major damage.
I understand the jetty itself is
unsafe and I'm not asking the
city to reopen damaged
infrastructure before it is
ready.
Nearly two years later, the
entire area remains close.
With humphris park inaccessible,
the next established public
beach access south along the
shoreline is roughly nine tenths
of a mile.
That means the closure affects
much more than one damaged
jetty.
It removes access to a
substantial stretch of public
shoreline that people have used
for generations for walking,
fishing, surfing, biking and
simply getting to the beach.
We've seen elsewhere that access
and construction can coexist,
caspersen beach, repairs
continued, county provided
temporary bike racks, signage
and defined closure.
South jetty, controlled access
has been possible for
contractors and special events.
There is historically used route
along the gulf side of humphris
park toward the sandy beach for
access, and also appears to be
an existing public access
easement farther south that MAY
provide another connection to
the shoreline.
I'm not asking council today to
determine exactly where a fence
should go or how the access
should be configured.
I'm asking to you direct staff
to look at the existing access
points and evaluate an
bare-bones solution while the
larger repairs continue.
Instead of a completely closed
space that has become a source
of frustration, we have an
opportunity to create a safe
community driven area that
reconnects venice with the
shoreline.
Humphris park is more than a
jetty.
Part of venice public shoreline.
I believe we should make every
reasonable effort to protect it.
Thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: thank you for
your comments.
>>Kelly Michaels: that was the
last one.
>>Mayor Pachota: with that, we
will move on to the consent
section of the agenda.
All matters listed under consent
section are considered routine
and enacted by one motion unless
an item is removed by a council
member.
No separation discussion.
If a discussion is desired, the
item or items will be voted on
at the end of the consent
section.
With that, any council members
that would like to remove
anything from consent?
MR. Howard.
>>Rick Howard: I would like to
remove 26-0701.
>>Mayor Pachota: any other items
from any other council members?
All right.
With that, I will entertain a
motion.
>>Vice Mayor Boldt: MR. Mayor, I
move to approve items on the
consent section with the
exception of 26-0701.
>>Mayor Pachota: seconded by MR.
Engelke.
All in favor say aye.
Anyone opposed?
Passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
We will move on to 26-0701, MR.
Howard, you pulled this item, if
you would like to briefly
introduce it.
>>Rick Howard: yeah.
This item addresses vital, which
I'm not opposed to, but I think
in light of everything going on
with the airport, we're hearing
from residents that I think we
need to have all hands on deck,
and that includes our airport
director, our city manager and
staff and council to make sure
that we're not getting
distracted in focusing on
electric flying apparatus from a
to b.
>>Mayor Pachota: do you have a
motion?
Hillsborough county hillsborough
county I would move that we
postpone this mou to a later
date, and also that council be
provided a more comprehensive
understanding of how this would
impact the airport itself and
also our residents.
>>Mayor Pachota: seconded by MR.
Smith.
MADAM Clerk, do you have anybody
signed up to speak?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
I don't.
>>Mayor Pachota: then we'll move
to council discussion.
I've got three names on my list
right now.
MR. Howard, are you good?
MR. Boldt?
>>Vice Mayor Boldt: yes, thank
you.
I think I just want to put it on
the record that I don't think
that I can disagree with MR.
Howard on this one.
I think we heard enough in
public comment already to say
nothing of the e-mails that
we've received that there's
grave concern and there needs to
be.
So we need to keep our eye on
the ball.
However, having said that, I
also believe it's really
important as one of the major
small airports in the area that
we have a seat at this table
ultimately because we don't want
the faa coming back to us at
some point and saying, okay,
this is what we've decided.
This is what it's going to be.
I think ultimately while it is
maybe really important to put
this on hold for now, I do hope
it will come back to us once
things get cleared out a little
bit and we have a better
understanding, we get closer to
the end of the year and our
master plan being finished.
So that we can make an
intelligent decision as to
whether we want a seat at this
table or not.
Firmly, I believe I would rather
be at the table than away from
the table.
Thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: MR. City
manager?
>>James Clinch: thank you,
mayor.
Just wanted to kind of clarify
what the intent of this mou is.
So this is an emerging
technology that is coming.
Now, it's not coming tomorrow,
probably, five, ten years down
the road, but it is something
that the faa is actively working
on.
What that means at some point in
the future, the faa will be
giving us guidance, directives,
and eventually mandates on how
we need to provide
infrastructure for the
technology.
It is coming.
We will be at some point in time
mandated to participate in this
synergistic across our state.
So the purpose of the task force
is to sit down with our
colleagues at the county level,
sarasota airport, our other
cities and talk about the
questions, because there are a
lot of questions out there on
how this would work, where the
network would be and start
getting answers to that
question.
It doesn't commit us to
anything.
Doesn't obligate the city to
anything.
It's just about getting the
facts and researching for future
planning purposes.
Thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: MR. Smith.
>>Ron Smith: thank you, mayor.
I seconded this because I'm very
disappointed.
I thought we had the trust of
the airport neighbors.
Now I feel like we've lost it
again.
For that reason, I think we
shouldn't have something like
this on the consent agenda,
which means there will be no
discussion.
So I'm happy for us to discuss
it.
I'd be happy to hear a
presentation about it and
perhaps it's something that we
will wholeheartedly endorse.
But I don't think we can afford
to do things without being
transparent, without having open
discussions about them anymore
on airport matters and the
environment that we're in.
So thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: MS. Frank.
>>Rachel Frank: thank you.
I agree that potentially this
could be a great topic for the
hopeful airport workshop that
will be approved later on our
agenda today.
I do have significant concerns
that if we do not eventually
participate in this task force
with the other partners in
sarasota, manatee counties that
we cannot advocate for the
residents who have concerns, as
obviously changes in the
technology are coming down the
pipe.
So I would just hope that we
would have a seat at the table.
And I would hope we would be
able to advocate for the
residents.
And when we are not able to have
our staff on the task force to
understand what's changing, it
puts us at a disadvantage.
I agree.
As long as we can discuss this
in the near future and hopefully
give staff's blessing to proceed
to be a part of this.
>>Kevin Engelke: I agree with my
colleagues.
We need to have a seat at the
table.
This is going to be a topic of
discussion for the next ten
years or maybe five or maybe
fifteen.
I think it's important that we
as a community are in front with
the technology, with what could
be impacting us.
Right now, we have a lot of
discussion about the airport.
So timing-wise is probably --
it's in between, at least for
me.
I do feel that we need to stay
out in front on this, and we
need to communicate clearly to
everybody in this room and to
everybody in our community and
the surrounding environment.
I think we need to make sure we
do not lose this, and my
suggestion would be perhaps
putting it on the agenda for a
topic of discussion shortly.
Not within one month, two
months, but not six years
either.
That's kind of where I am.
Thanks.
>>Mayor Pachota: MR. City
manager, I have some questions.
So in reviewing the memorandum,
my understanding was this was
just like any other -- I don't
want to say task force because
we don't do it very often -- but
any other committee we would
serve on.
When I read the agreement, it
said this wasn't going to be
binding.
It was really just to have our
voice and a host of other cities
participating all the way from
bradenton beach down to city of
north port and organizations
that don't even have an airport.
If you could just clarify for me
a little bit better, is this
simply just another committee
like the hundreds of other
committees we have, or is this
going to lock us into any -- are
we giving the faa guidance on
what we want to see?
Are we giving staff the ability
to communicate for the council
as to our wishes for the future?
>>James Clinch: you're exactly
right.
This committee is really so we
can go out and get the answers
and get the facts on what this
future technology is going to
look like.
Your opinion on the technology
for anyone is not really
relevant at this point in the
game because we don't really
even understand what this would
mean for venice.
This is to work with our
partners, to get those answers
so we can bring them back.
Does not obligate us to any
infrastructure.
Doesn't obligate us to spend any
money on future projects, but
those future questions are going
to come up is my message to you.
Technology whether we
participate in the task force or
not is not going away.
It's going to end up in our lap
at some point in the future.
My recommendation is, let's be
as prepared as we can be when it
does come our way.
But happy to give a presentation
that would make council feel
more comfortable with the
technology.
>>Mayor Pachota: I just want to
highlight concerns for my
colleagues.
To me, this is nothing more than
us participating on the council
of governments.
The tdc, the economic
development, all these different
committees that we serve on
aren't making binding decisions
for the council.
They are just so we have a voice
at the table.
I grow concern that I understand
how cautious we need to be with
the airport and make sure that
we're listening to the citizens.
I'm just concerned that we're
tying two items together that
don't necessarily relate to each
other.
Since I've been on council,
we've been talking about seeking
grant funding for the tower and
I remember, I think it was after
covid maybe 2022-ish that we had
discussion about pursuing grant
funding.
It's not something new that just
came up yesterday.
I don't even see this as an item
that relates to that.
I'm just concerned that we're
going to be lumping everything
airport into one silo and lose a
seat at the table.
That's just my only concern is I
don't want us to be absent from
any discussions that MAY impact
us.
MR. Howard.
>>Rick Howard: thanks, mayor.
I appreciate the comments that
my colleagues have made.
Trust me, I don't have anything
against vitol.
It's the future.
Kind of star wars if you want to
think about it that way.
It is a very quiet delivery
system.
These are electric.
I think the ultimate goal will
be unmanned so there's no pilot
in these things.
And they fly from point a to
point b with people or products.
it takes congestion off the
roads.
They are relatively quiet.
Some are like weed whackers.
If you ever heard drones flying
around, picture this thing as a
big drone.
So I'm not opposed to VITOLs
and definitely not opposed to
having a seat at the table.
My focus is more on where the
focus is at the airport right
now.
I want nick and staff to be
focused on what my colleague
said.
It feels like we've lost trust
of the community again.
And we work really hard.
I think it was a great
presentation that was given
before we went on break, and I
think everybody was embracing
that.
Yeah, our e-mails are blowing
up.
I read every single one of them.
I've spoken to many of our
residents.
Some are here in the audience
today.
I think I'm speaking for the
entire council and staff.
We want to do what's right for
the residents and for the
airport.
There's just a lot of moving
parts.
I want the focus to be on what's
at hand, what's on deck today.
I don't want our airport
director going to a meeting
about a vitol right now.
We have bigger fish to fry that
we should be focused on, in my
opinion.
Thank you, mayor.
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
With that, MADAM Clerk, if
you'll ready us for an
electronic vote.
Council members, when your
lights are flashing, you can
indicate your vote.
MADAM Clerk, you can tally and
display the vote.
It passes 5-2.
[Sounding gavel]
With that we will take a
15-minute and come back at
10:20.
[Recess]
[Sounding gavel]
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
We are back.
We are on to public hearings,
unfinished business.
MADAM Attorney, I believe you
have an update for us on this
one.
>>Kelly m. Fernandez: yes.
Yesterday afternoon we received
a request from the applicant
that the hearing not be held.
They would like to revise their
application to resolve some of
the issues that were brought
forward by the appellant.
So they are asking that we have
this remanded back to staff.
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
>>Kelly m. Fernandez: I should
also add, I'm sorry, that the
appellant is aware of this and
staff is aware of this as well
and no one has an issue with
that outcome.
>>Mayor Pachota: with that, I'll
move to vacate planning
commission order and remand
petition 25-40sp back to staff
for amendment and further
review.
Sorry, 26 --- do I have the
number right, MADAM Attorney?
25-40sp is the actual
application number.
>>Mayor Pachota: 25-40sp.
Seconded by vice mayor boldt.
MADAM Clerk, do you have anybody
signed up to speak in.
>>Kelly Michaels: no, I don't.
>>Mayor Pachota: any council
discussion?
Seeing none, MADAM Clerk, if
you'll ready us for an
electronic vote.
Council members, when your
lights are flashing, you can
indicate your vote.
Go ahead and tally and display
the vote.
Passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
I'll just remind the audience
that we can hear everything
you're saying up here, including
curse words.
So please be respectful in the
audience.
If you're having an issue with
the speaker system, get with the
clerk's office so we can get you
a part of the loop recording
system and a speaker box.
Do you have a point of order?
>> I'd like to restate my vote
on our last, my own motion,
which I voted on incorrectly.
>>Mayor Pachota: so we're back
to 26-0701.
>> that's correct.
>>Mayor Pachota: MADAM Attorney,
how would we remedy his wish to
restate his vote?
>>Kelly m. Fernandez: I actually
need to look up robert's rules
of order on that to tell you the
proper procedure.
>>Mayor Pachota: we'll take a
five-minute break.
We'll be back at 28 after.
[Sounding gavel]
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
We are back, and MR. Howard has
a motion, or you can make a
motion, to amend your vote on
26-0701.
If you want to make that motion.
>>Kelly m. Fernandez: he doesn't
have to make a motion.
It's really a request.
I believe you voted -- you voted
no and you intended to vote yes.
Is that the situation?
So that's his request.
If there's no objection from
anyone else on council, then his
vote can stand as adjusted to
the yes versus no.
>>Mayor Pachota: any members of
council object to MR. Howard's
request?
Seeing none, let the record
reflect that MR. Howard is
voting in favor of the motion,
so it is a 6-1.
>>Rick Howard: I would like to
apologize to everyone in the
chambers and everyone listening.
Sometimes passion creates
freudian slips and I just had
one.
>>Mayor Pachota: moving on now,
we will go to ordinances final
reading, ordinance number
2026-22.
The public hearing is now open.
[Sounding gavel]
MADAM Clerk, when you're ready,
if you can go ahead and read
this by title only, please.
>>Kelly Michaels: an ordinance
of the city of venice, florida,
amending the code of ordinances,
chapter 87, land development
code, by amending section 2.4.3,
residential uses, adding section
6.11, certified recovery
residences, and amending section
9.1, defined terms, pursuant to
text amendment petition 26-22am
to establish procedures for the
review and approval of recovery
residences and a process for
requests for reasonable
accommodations from land use
regulations; providing for
repeal of all ordinances in
conflict herewith, providing for
severability, and providing an
effective date.
>>Mayor Pachota: do we have any
written communication since the
last hearing?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
>>Mayor Pachota: all right.
Is there an update from staff
since the last hearing?
>> [Inaudible]
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
MADAM Clerk, anybody signed up
to speak?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
>>Mayor Pachota: the public
hearing is now closed.
[Sounding gavel]
I'll entertain a motion.
>>Vice Mayor Boldt: I move that
ordinance 2026-22 be approved
and adopted.
>>Mayor Pachota: seconded by MR.
Engelke.
Any council discussion?
Seeing none, MADAM Clerk, if
you'll ready us for an
electronic vote.
Council members, when your
lights are flashing, you can
indicate your vote.
MADAM Clerk, you can tally and
display the vote.
Passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
We will move on to ordinance
2026-23.
The public hearing is now open.
[Sounding gavel]
MADAM Clerk, when you're ready,
you can go ahead and read this
ordinance by title only.
>>Kelly Michaels: an ordinance
of the city of venice, florida,
amending the code of ordinances
chapter 87, land development
code by amending section 1.9.3
specific application
requirements, amending and
renumbering section 1.10,
preliminary plat (Quasi-judicial
application), amending section
3.1.1, building height, section
3.1.2, block configuration
requirements, section 3.1.4
building placement requirements,
3.1.9 accessory uses and
structures, section 3.5.2 exempt
signs, section 3.6.1 off-street
parking, tables 3.6.1 and 3.6.6
parking requirements by use,
section 3.6.5 design standards,
section 3.8.1 purpose and
applicability, section 3.8.3,
fences and walls material and
design standards, section 3.8.4,
height of fences and walls,
section 7.8.1, certificate of
architectural compliance.
Section 7.10.9 fences and walls
and section 9.1 defined terms,
pursuant to text amendment
petition 25-12am to resolve
issues discovered through the
implementation of the land
development code, providing for
repeal of all ordinances in
conflict herewith, providing for
severability, and providing an
effective date.
>>Mayor Pachota: MADAM Clerk,
have we received any written
communication since last
hearing?
>>Kelly Michaels: none.
>>Mayor Pachota: do we have a
staff update on this one?
>>James Clinch: no, sir, unless
there are any questions.
>>Mayor Pachota: I actually do
have some questions, specific to
the signage, temporary signs and
such.
>> good morning.
For the record, nicole tremblay,
senior planner for the city of
venice.
What questions do you have?
>>Mayor Pachota: I was waiting
for the introduction.
I received some feedback as it
relates to, sounds like it is
political sign related, we're in
political season so it makes
sense, that our code is more
strict than sarasota county and
manatee county.
I'm curious.
It sounds like we have a square
footage based on the size of the
building and some things that
make it a little bit
complicated.
I wanted to see if we could
discuss that and if there's any
merit to the idea of being a
little closer to the county code
so as to avoid confusion during
this time.
One of the big reasons that --
I'll say this carefully -- one
of the reasons that we went
along with the voter referendum
and kind of changed our terms
and when they coincide, it was a
lower-hanging fruit but it was
because we go through this every
year where there are political
signs all over town.
It was going to be nice to have
a little time off.
At the same time, I don't want
to reduce anybody's freedom or
ability to properly advertise
their campaign so that we're
being more strict than somebody
else.
>>Nicole Tremblay: okay.
I don't know the county's code
off the top of my head.
But the sign standards related
to the size of the building and
things like that are for
permanent signs.
So a temporary sign, now, they
are not explicitly political
because we're not able to
determine the content that way.
But the temporary signs, it says
MAY not exceed three square feet
for residential property or --
you know what, I apologize.
Put it at a nonresidential
property, you do have one square
foot per linear foot of
building.
We typically see them in
residential.
I apologize.
Can I look up the county's code
and bring it back.
Either later today or at the
next meeting.
>>Mayor Pachota: I would ask
you, is it better for us
procedurally to get through,
because there are a lot of
things on this that I would like
to see us get through.
Perhaps I put this on the agenda
to readdress the specific item
at another meeting.
>>Nicole Tremblay: that would be
fine with me if we want to pull
just this item and talk about it
again later.
>>Mayor Pachota: I'm okay with
doing that.
I'll put it on a future agenda.
I just wanted to make sure that,
you know, I don't want to stop
the train on some of these other
things that are pretty common
sense.
On this particular one, I have
received feedback and I want to
make sure that we at least
address the feedback in a proper
way, whether, it's, no, we like
being more strict or whether we
want to come in line with the
county's code, whatever it might
be, I want to make sure we do
that properly and give the
residents an opportunity to
speak to it.
>>Nicole Tremblay: that is fine
with me.
>>Roger Clark: roger clark,
planning and zoning director.
I want to make sure i
understand.
You're going to pull this
individual amendment and let the
other ones be approved?
If that's your plan, I have a
little issue with that because
that's going to eliminate the 90
days that this is changing to,
which I know is something that
was originally requested.
>>Mayor Pachota: so my plan was
actually to let this go the way
it is, and then just kind of put
you on notice gently that I'm
going to bring this back at
another agenda so we can talk
about finite details of that
specific piece of the code and
make some changes to that.
I don't want to delay the
process.
I don't see the need since we're
on our second hearing and kind
of at the finish line.
I do want to readdress this
since it's now been brought up.
I'll put it on the next agenda
and we can isolate that
particular item.
As far as today, I would like to
move forward as is with all of
us on the same page now, that I
have had some conversation, and
we do need to look at it a
little tighter.
>>Roger Clark: I understand.
I don't want to lose that 90
days we put in place.
>>Mayor Pachota: I don't want to
stop the train.
I want to make sure I'm on the
record for saying I received
some feedback and I think we
need to address it at a later
date.
>>Nicole Tremblay: thank you.
>>Roger Clark: thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
With that, anyone else have any
questions of staff? Okay.
madam clerk, do you have anybody
signed up to speak?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
>>Mayor Pachota: with that,
we'll close the public hearing.
I'll go ahead and move that
ordinance 2026-23 be approved
and adopted.
Seconded by MR. Howard.
Any council discussion?
Seeing none, MADAM Clerk, if
you'll make us ready for an
electronic vote.
Council members, when your
lights are flashing, you can
indicate your vote.
MADAM Clerk, you can tally and
display the vote.
Passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
Okay.
We are now on to new business
ordinances.
Ordinance 2026-24.
MADAM Clerk, when you are ready,
you can go ahead and read this
ordinance by title only, please.
>>Kelly Michaels: an ordinance
amending city of venice
ordinance number 2025-32 as
previously amended which adopted
the official budget of the city
of venice, florida, for the
fiscal year beginning OCTOBER 1,
2025, and ending SEPTEMBER 30,
2026, by increasing the total
revenue by 6,476,400 and total
expenditures by 6,476,400, and
providing an effective date.
>>Mayor Pachota: MADAM Clerk, do
you have anybody signed up to
speak?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
>>Mayor Pachota: with that, I'll
entertain a motion.
>>Kevin Engelke: I move to
approve ordinance 2026-24 on
first reading and schedule it
for final reading.
>>Mayor Pachota: seconded by
vice mayor boldt.
Any council discussion?
Seeing none, MADAM Clerk, if
you'll make us ready for an
electronic vote.
Council members when your lights
are flashing, you MAY indicate
your vote.
MADAM Clerk, you can tally and
display the vote.
Passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
All right.
We are on to resolutions,
resolution number 2026-15.
MADAM Clerk, when you're ready,
you can go ahead and read this
resolution by title only,
please.
>>Kelly Michaels: a resolution
of the city of venice, florida,
accepting utilities and
improvements installed by
southwest florida retirement
center inc. And accepting a
one-year developers maintenance
bond and bill of sale, providing
an effective date.
>>Mayor Pachota: MADAM Clerk, do
you have anybody signed up to
speak?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
>>Mayor Pachota: all right.
Then with that, I'll entertain a
motion.
MR. Vice mayor.
>>Vice Mayor Boldt: I move
resolution 2026-15 be approved
and adopted.
>>Mayor Pachota: seconded by
MS. Frank.
Any council discussion?
Seeing none, MADAM Clerk, if
you'll ready us for an
electronic vote.
Council members, when your
lights are flashing, you can
indicate your vote.
MADAM Clerk, you can tally and
display the vote.
passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
We are now on to presentations.
Presentation 26-0702, and this
is finance director linda senne
with the quarterly financial
update.
MS. Senne, if you would like to
come down.
>>Linda Senne: good morning,
mayor and council.
Linda senne.
Finance director.
This is the quarterly financial
report as of JUNE 30, so nine
months into fiscal year '26.
As of today, number one on
there, the property tax revenue.
We collected 100% of our budget
amount at this point in time,
which is -- we always generally
collect our money by JUNE 30 for
the property taxes for the
fiscal year.
The fire and insurance premium
tax, which is the number 2, is
as of now zero.
We generally get that money in
AUGUST or later in SEPTEMBER.
So that shows zero collections.
Our communication taxes is
slightly above.
74 -- slightly below at 74
percent.
At this point in time, we should
be at 75 percent.
That's just slightly below.
The utility service tax is
slightly -- that's the one that
is above at 82%.
That's the number four.
82% at this point in time.
The franchise fees are at 81%,
which is the number 5.
Licenses and permits are below
target.
They are at 239,000 -- 239,625.
The majority is business tax
receipts, makes up 29805.
Majority of those licenses come
in AUGUST and SEPTEMBER.
That's again where we get the
money in AUGUST and SEPTEMBER
for business tax receipts, and
then the other bigger part is
the zoning and permit
certifications which makes up
168,048 at this point in time.
7, the investment income.
We are higher above than what we
-- sorry.
The 7 is the intergovernmental
revenues.
And the city received for the
first year $265,000 under an ice
agreement that we have.
We also received $298,000 from
fema as reimbursements that are
due to hurricane ian and milton.
Some of those are way back from
hurricane ian.
So that goes to show you how
long it takes sometimes to get
our money reimbursed from fema.
And then also state revenue
sharing is on target, slightly
above at 76%, and the government
half-cent sales tax is right on
target at 75%.
And those are all the number
sevens that you see in red.
And then for charges for
services, they are slightly
below target at 74%, and the ems
transport fees are right at 74%
also.
Number 9 is the investment
earnings.
So we are above target at this
point in time.
We collected more than what we
have budgeted for this.
We budgeted, so we're above that
dollar amount by hundred
percent.
For miscellaneous revenues for
the first nine months we're
already above the budgeted
amount for the entire year.
The second quarter, which was in
the MARCH quarter is when we
received the contribution from
the venice pier group and then
also our other miscellaneous
revenue includes a bank rebate
of almost $67,000 that we get
for the city using the
purchasing card.
We get a rebate back from the
bank when we use our p-card.
Also, we had $87,000 of
insurance settlements this year
so far.
General fund expenses, they are
projected at where we expect
them to be at this point in
time.
They are tracking well.
There's only one department.
That's the one we have in pink,
which that was also noted on the
last quarterly report that
exceeds the 75% target.
That's due to the $5 million
that we paid to sarasota county
for the wellfield park.
I'll go back to this page, the
ending fund balance of SEPTEMBER
30 of '25 was 35.3 million.
That's this number right here.
That was SEPTEMBER 30 of '25,
and we had project rollover of
2.1.
So at the end of fiscal '26,
we're expecting that the fund
balance will be up to 29
million.
And then I'm just going to make
a note, when you see the
proposed budget of that net
revenues, on the far right
column, the negative 800,000,
that's what we had at the
proposed budget when we did the
proposed budget, that was for
the $800,000 transfer into the
new fleet and operating fund
we're going to make.
When I'm talking this afternoon
or the next part when I talk
about the changes since then,
this is the number that slightly
changes, just so you're aware.
You won't see this whole thing,
unless you want me to bring it
back up again when I go over the
changes for the proposed budget
that's later on the agenda.
The $800,000 number is the final
number that changes.
When I'm talking about the
change, that will be the change.
When you see the net revenues
number, it's slightly different
than the $800,000 now for the
fiscal '27 proposed budget.
Any questions to date on the
general fund?
>>Mayor Pachota: MR. Smith.
>>Ron Smith: thank you, mayor.
Thank you for that report.
It's a lot to take in, and I
look forward to the discussion
later, what's changed with the
funding of these positions that
we wanted to add.
But my question is something
I've asked before about the fema
money.
You say more came in.
If I understand correctly,
there's still a whole bunch more
we're hoping to get.
Could you talk about that?
I think in the next budget we
didn't show any revenue from
fema because we can't be sure
it's coming, but you told me
there was a big number we're
hoping to get.
Was this another number, the
money we just got from fema, is
that something that we didn't
budget this year?
>>Linda Senne: correct.
It was not budgeted.
We don't generally budget
because we're not sure if we get
any money.
We submit projects, and then
they, like with the ian project,
three years ago.
So then they determine whether
they are going to fund the
project or not.
So we don't budget generally for
that revenue.
Not sure if we're going to
actually get reimbursed for it.
>>Ron Smith: right, the money we
did just get, it wasn't budgeted
and it changes how much we need
to find in the budget to fund
these changes we wanted to make,
is that correct?
>>Linda Senne: well, that
increases the bottom line when I
say the estimated dollar amount.
Because when we did the report
in MARCH, I estimated that the
fund balance would be 28.4
million.
Now I'm estimating it will be 29
million.
Because we have the revenue
increase --
>>Ron Smith: rolling that money
over into the reserve.
>>Linda Senne: correct.
>>Ron Smith: rather than using
it for.
>>Linda Senne: correct, correct.
So it increases your ending
savings reserve amount.
Because when I did the -- when I
did this in MARCH, my estimate
at that time was 28.4 million.
Now the estimate is going to be
29.1 million.
>>Ron Smith: just banking it is
what you're telling me.
>>Linda Senne: correct.
>>Ron Smith: could you tell me
again at this point since that
now changed, how much money
we're hoping to get still from
fema, even though we have no
guarantees we're in the process
of trying to get repaid for work
we did.
>>Linda Senne: we got reimbursed
for all the -- which went into
the solid waste fund for the
debris.
We got reimbursed for debris.
That's all done for ian and for
milton and for helene.
All that money reimbursed.
But that went into the solid
waste fund because the expenses
came out of the solid waste
fund, picking up the debris.
Maybe another one to two million
max, but it doesn't all go in
the general fund.
Some of it is utilities fund and
some could be stormwater fund.
Probably one to two million,
maybe, at the high end.
>>Ron Smith: thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: MS. Frank.
>>Rachel Frank: thank you.
Could you expound a little bit
on the stormwater fund 480,
particularly because I believe
it's healthy reserve, according
to your memo here, on page 6, it
talks about the non-earmarked
working capital balance dropping
to 5.2 million.
But you say it's still well
above target levels.
Just because I believe it
potentially could be germane to
our conversation later about
curry creek, deer town gully,
update on all of those efforts.
I just want to fully understand
where our stormwater fund is at
and maybe what you mean about
well above target levels.
>>Linda Senne: let me pull that
fund up.
Stormwater.
Stormwater, they have had --
because they are in the middle
of some of the projects that
aren't encumbered yet, but they
have some projects that they are
working on, but when you look at
this part right up here, when
you see expenses to date for
some of these projects, there is
no money yet spent to date for
some of the stormwater projects.
So at the end, when you look at
the overall fund, when we say
it's above target because we
estimate -- they are estimating
at the end of fiscal '26 what
we're expecting, that the
working capital would be we have
5.2 total expenses and then with
an estimate of 2.9 million that
would be basically in reserves
that they could use for other
projects.
That's what we're expecting at
the end of SEPTEMBER.
>>Rachel Frank: okay.
In the memo it says 2.9 million
is earmarked for water quality
projects.
You're saying separate than that
earmark you believe --
>>Linda Senne: I say earmarked
for water quality because
everything in the stormwater has
to go to stormwater projects.
It can't be spent on some other
projects.
We say the dollar amount, 2.9
million, that's above our
required reserve is available
for water projects.
Any stormwater-type project.
>>Rachel Frank: very helpful.
Thank you, linda.
>>Mayor Pachota: MR. Engelke,
did you have your hand up?
Looks like it.
Thank you so much.
MADAM Clerk, do you have anybody
signed up to speak on this?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
Then we will move on to council
action and discussion, 26-0703.
This is to appoint a member to
the citizens tax oversight
committee to serve a term from
SEPTEMBER 1, 2026, to AUGUST
31 -- do you have any more
introduction than that?
Anybody signed up to speak?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
>>Mayor Pachota: do I have a
council member that would like
to make a motion?
>>Vice Mayor Boldt: MR. Mayor, I
move to appoint peyton dewitt to
the citizens tax oversight
committee to serve a term from
SEPTEMBER 1, 2026 to AUGUST 31,
2030.
>>Mayor Pachota: I'll second
that.
With that, any council
discussion?
Seeing none, MADAM Clerk, if
you'll make us ready for an
electronic vote.
Council members, when your
lights are flashing, you can
indicate your vote.
MADAM Clerk, you can tally and
display.
Passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
Thank you to peyton dewitt for
volunteering for that.
We will move on to 26-0704.
And this is appoint two members
to the historic and
architectural preservation board
to serve a term from SEPTEMBER
1, 2026, to AUGUST 31, 2029.
MADAM Clerk, did you have
anything in addition to add to
that.
>>Kelly Michaels: I don't.
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
Do we have anybody signed up to
speak?
>>Kelly Michaels: no.
>>Mayor Pachota: I will
entertain a motion from a
council member.
>>Rick Howard: move to appoint
jean trammell to the historic
and architectural preservation
board to serve a term from
SEPTEMBER 1 of '26 to AUGUST 31
of '29.
Give me a minute.
>>Mayor Pachota: how many
minutes do you need?
>> move to appoint john steckty
to the historic and
architectural preservation board
to serve a term from SEPTEMBER
1, '26 to AUGUST 31 of 2029.
>>Mayor Pachota: I'll second it.
With that, any council
discussion?
MADAM Clerk, we have a proper
motion of both names and a
proper second.
We can go ahead and take an
electronic vote.
Council members, when your
lights are flashing, you can
indicate your vote.
You can tally and display the
vote.
Passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
We'll go ahead and take a
seven-minute break and return --
[Inaudible]
.
[Sounding gavel]
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
We are back.
If I can get everyone to quiet
down for me, we are at 26-0705,
which is airport workshop
scheduling.
That is the next item on the
agenda.
MR. City manager, if you would
like to introduce the topic,
please.
>>James Clinch: thank you,
mayor.
As you know, we have a couple of
things happening at the airport
this fall.
We are actively working towards
the finalization of our master
plan.
It is almost done.
It will end up being about three
years in the making.
We've gone above and beyond the
number of public meetings
required and we'll be picking
the public meetings back up in
OCTOBER.
I think it's very important,
today is a great demonstration
of that, that we do everything
we can to get the real story out
there, make sure everyone feels
informed and clear up any
questions that there are related
to the airport.
And there's just, unfortunately,
a lot of things happening at the
same time.
I appreciate that.
And I recognize the concerns
that come along with that.
The flip side is, we, as you all
know, are stewards of the
airport and subject to the faa
federal regulations.
So with that, comes a lot of
restrictions to our authority.
So the purpose of this workshop
would be before we kick off the
public meetings to finish the
master plan, I'd like to bring
in our aviation attorney, chris
wilson.
He is an expert on aviation law.
He is a teacher at embry-riddle
university, and he can speak to
the faa rules and regulations
firsthand.
I had the privilege of meeting
with the faa in person about a
month ago.
The first time I had that
privilege and hearing from them
firsthand what we can do and
what we can't do was very
eye-opening.
So I believe bringing MR. Wilson
here to speak to those
regulations will give you all a
much better idea of what our
authorities are, our
capabilities are as we move
towards closing out this master
plan.
It's going to be a very
difficult process to bring this
to a close.
I think we all recognize that.
Just because there are these faa
regulations, doesn't mean we
don't have any power.
Chris can help us to navigate
where our areas we can advocate
and we can make, leave our
fingerprints on this master plan
and do things for the community
like we've committed to and
where are things we cannot,
frankly, because of federal law.
He'll help us navigate that,
take questions.
Ask him the hard questions.
Ask him about the festival
grounds.
We can talk about the golf
course, talk about noise,
environment, whatever we want to
talk about, I think it would be
a very healthy exercise.
My request to you today is,
number one, do you want to hold
this council workshop?
Number two, what would be a good
date to get that scheduled?
>>Mayor Pachota: is there more
of a presentation or does that
sum everything up?
>>James Clinch: that sums
everything up.
I'm happy to dive into question
necessary you have.
I'd love to talk, if there's
time, about the
misinterpretation of the tower
that we've heard from today, but
I'll leave that for your
discussion, mayor.
>>Mayor Pachota: okay.
any questions of MR. Clinch?
MR. Engelke.
>>Kevin Engelke: I love the idea
of scheduling a workshop to hear
from the attorney.
I think it's going to clear up a
lot of concerns, a lot of
misconceptions, and kind of
outline what we can and cannot
do.
I'm highly encouraged that we
have that opportunity.
>>Mayor Pachota: MS. Frank.
>>Rachel Frank: thank you.
Again, in favor of scheduling
this workshop, I believe the
dates floated were in OCTOBER.
Is there anything you can
educate us on relating to the
special events and the festival
grounds from the public comment
concerns we heard today?
Because I feel like OCTOBER is a
long way to wait for clarity on
that particular issue.
>>James Clinch: sure.
We can address that right now.
I met with the faa directly a
month ago.
We asked them point-blank about
the festival grounds.
The festival grounds has always
been part of the airport and has
faa oversight.
It is intended for aeronautical
use at some point in the future.
The faa made that very clear.
At some point in the future,
that area will be used for
aeronautical activities, which
will be -- is and will be
reflected in our master plan.
The faa understood, because I
expressed the importance of this
location to our community, we
actually generate revenue by
having events there, and there's
nothing happening out there
right now, right?
There's nothing on the books.
there's no leases coming your
way any time soon.
So there's really no reason to
preclude events from happening
there.
And they were very open to that.
The concern, and the reason why
our department reached out
earlier this year is we had
received some correspondence
from faa with concerns about the
festival grounds.
They don't want to see any more
improvements there.
They don't want to see any more
non-aeronautical investments in
that area.
They know at some point in time,
that will be aeronautical
expansion.
And they made that very clear.
So I think we've put to rest
with them that in the meantime,
these festivals are a very
positive thing, but we wanted to
be transparent with our event
holders because, and we've
learned this in the past with
the faa, they could send a
letter at any point in time that
says you have 90 days to vacate
the festival grounds.
This is a non-aeronautical
activity.
I don't anticipate that's going
to happen, but it's important
that our event holders know that
is always a possibility that's
on the table.
That's what we communicated to
them.
But I hope after our meetings
with the faa recently, we can
give them a little more
confidence that we will give you
every authority we have to
schedule and hold your event.
If a federal authority above us
says we can't, that's out of all
of our hands.
so just be aware of that.
>>Mayor Pachota: MR. Howard.
>>Rick Howard: just echoing my
colleagues.
Total support, james, of having
this workshop.
I think it's a great idea to
make sure we're as educated as
possible with what the faa does
and their authority, our
authority or not.
And thank you, rachel, for
clarifying the fairgrounds
because I know that is special
to a lot of residents and event
holders.
That's it, mayor.
>>Mayor Pachota: MR. Smith.
>>Ron Smith: thank you, mayor.
I'm very happy we're going to
set, seems like everybody is in
favor, of a workshop.
Originally, MR. City manager, I
had asked if we could have the
faa actually some representative
be here so we could ask
questions.
I wanted to do that because so
often our answer is, well, the
faa won't let us do that.
I just want to ask, can we do
this?
Interesting, earlier today, one
of the speakers said there is a
new statement by the faa that
they can approve non-aviation
uses.
That fascinates me.
I know nothing about it except
what I just heard and everybody
else here heard.
I would like to know if that is
the case and if we can formally
designate some areas with their
approval for non-aviation uses
because we have some that we'd
like to have for sure.
But I believe you told me they
declined our invitation to be a
part of this, is that right?
>>James Clinch: that is correct.
It was not personal to venice.
I asked them point-blank if they
would be interested and willing
to come speak to our council.
They said they have a policy
they don't do that.
That's all they would end up
doing all day, every day and
have another job to do.
They were, however, very
supportive and actually
referenced MR. Wilson directly
and said, you know what, we work
with him regularly.
He knows our rules.
He will speak to your questions
just the same as if we were.
That was their recommendation.
>>Ron Smith: I thank you.
I thank you for your suggestion
that we have our attorney, who
you said graduated from
aeronautical school himself and
new the fa ark rules better than
anybody, to be at our workshop.
So I thank you for that.
Maybe he can answer some of the
very questions I would have
liked to ask the faa.
I think the workshop has taken
on a whole different light in
response to presentations made
today, the mayor-elect.
I'm not going to call you vice
mayor anymore.
Mayor-elect pointed out all the
e-mails he's gotten on the
concerns over what seems to be
an evolving idea of what was
once a pole and cameras to be
coming -- to becoming something
that would be a locally based
flight control operation, and
now even possibly a separate
additional building to the
terminal building to house up to
five city employees.
So the dismay we've heard from
the public and from even members
of the citizens advisory council
for the master plan has me very
concerned that we need to have a
discussion about all of that.
And is the right place for that
discussion at this workshop?
Will there be opportunity to
have conversation at the
workshop is what I want to ask
you?
>>James Clinch: yes.
I think that workshop, you know,
my original intent is to bring
in MR. Wilson so we can get a
presentation and ask him
questions.
I think the remote tower, which
I need to speak to you here in a
moment, but if the grant is
successful on the remote tower,
I think at that point we'll be
able to have a meaningful
discussion on what the remote
tower is going to look like.
That would be the perfect time.
Our airport director is in the
back.
I'm sure he would be more than
happy to put together a
presentation on the remote
tower, of which we'll have a lot
more answers at that point.
I'd love to speak a little more
on that topic when it's
appropriate.
>>Ron Smith: if I can just ask
this, I feel like we couldn't
really have a citizen panel
working with us on adopting a
ten-year master plan without
them knowing that this existed
or that we were pursuing this,
which is they didn't have any
knowledge of it.
I didn't have any knowledge of
it.
And it's very different than --
we saw that little video where
we're saying it's just a pole.
Reminds me of the old thing in
grammar school.
Just a bill, just a bill.
It's not anything until it gets
signed by the mayor or the
PRESIDENT.
The group we recruited as a
citizens advisory board to the
master plan conversation, I
think every single person on
this council attended the
meeting at the community center
with 250 people, and it was
never mentioned that this was
the direction we were going to
take.
So that's my big concern is the
transparency and leaving people
who are on an advisory board
feeling like they were not
informed or misled.
And then to a certain extent
that I was misled because
somebody accused me of being to
blame for all this because I was
out there saying it was just a
pole and camera and nothing
about expanding the airport.
Stop saying we're expanding the
airport.
Some people told me that they
ramped down because I was
telling them that.
I was telling them what I was
being told.
I feel to a certain extent, let
down that I was put in that
position.
I'm aghast, and I apologize to
anybody for anything I told them
that was short of what is
reality.
I do look forward to your
addressing that.
Thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: let's go ahead,
MADAM Clerk, if you'll reorder,
put vice mayor boldt ahead of
mine and let vice mayor go
first.
>>Vice Mayor Boldt: thank you.
it's distressing to listen to
the public.
It is distressing to listen to
all of this, simply because for
anybody that's worked with the
federal government, which we all
have in some way, shape, or
form, whether paying our taxes
or otherwise, you know there's
no easy answer.
And there's usually not even a
straight answer.
I'm not here to defend anybody,
but the reality is that this is
kind of a moving target, shall
we say?
What we think we should have and
what the faa tells us we need to
have can be two entirely
different things.
I'm not putting words in james'
mouth because I don't really
know the answer, but I get the
impression from our discussions
that you have to approach this
from different ways depending on
what you're after.
Is it you just need a tower for
safety or do you need a grant
for a tower?
Asking for a grant, you have to
substantiate that.
And I think that's a lot of what
we've seen in the report that
went to the faa, trying to
substantiate the need.
Do I agree with all the wording?
Of course, not.
Because it does sound like we're
trying to expand the airport.
I can tell you from my
standpoint here, that is not
what I'm looking for.
I'm looking for safety.
So I would just, you know, I'm
all for this workshop.
I look forward to it.
I think it will be a great
opportunity for us to get with
attorney wilson, and try to get
us some clarity on what we're
allowed to do and what we're not
allowed to do.
Because I really get the feeling
that it's just like every other
federal government situation.
Well, today, it's this, but
tomorrow it could be this.
So I would just ask everybody to
bear that in mind, what our
staff is trying to do is put
together a program that gets us
where we need to be.
However, that MAY require them
to say some things that aren't
necessarily -- I don't want to
say untrue -- but aren't
necessarily what we in total are
looking for.
I'm all for this.
The sooner the better.
Thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota: I have a few
points of clarity.
This is where things get
complicated.
We have a lot of discussions.
We get a lot of feedback.
But, unfortunately, unless it is
voted on, a motion made by the
council and voted on, then it's
not official.
I think perhaps looking at some
of our previous information
sheets and making sure that all
of the data to date is correct
is another important piece to
this puzzle.
But I'm reminded now
specifically because the minutes
are in front of me, when we were
discussing this back in MAY of
2022, and we were having a
discussion about the master plan
and it needing to be updated and
I was then vice mayor and I
actually made the motion to move
up the master planning process
because we were afraid we were
going to be too far behind.
so, again, having a plan in
place is the most important
thing so we know what is coming
and what to expect.
But at no point in time did we
ever promote, discuss,
encourage, expansion beyond the
current footprint of the
airport.
I think that's important that we
highlight that because I'm
reminded by reading through the
motion here, specifically that
we said, well, we rather,
instead of this coming out of
our general fund or our taxpayer
dollars, we rather get a grant
for this because we know it's
coming.
Very clear from the minutes this
was the presentation.
Getting some form of a tower,
whether remote.
At the time, I think we were
talking about a traditional faa
staffed tower, but we had the
forethought to say we want to
make sure we apply for grants so
we don't have to take it out of
our general fund.
That said, I'm absolutely in
favor of transparency.
I think having workshops is very
important.
I think it's important that
people understand that when we
have the workshops and we listen
to all the feedback, that
doesn't make it the actual
direction moving forward like
this does.
When the council makes a motion
and approves that motion and
this is unanimous.
I wasn't mayor at the time, but
everybody on the council at that
time had agreed to move forward
with pursuing grant funding for
that tower.
I think that's important that
we're talking back to '22.
This has been a very long
process.
If you look back at the
timeline.
It probably even started before
me.
But that said, I do have a
concern as it relates to the
date for the workshop.
Having just gone through this in
the primary election, I'm very
concerned that we would be doing
a workshop in the middle of
early voting.
So with all the candidates for
seat 2 and two candidates for
another seat, I think it's
important that we not take away
from those individuals, the
ability to participate.
So I would say that we need to
look at something that's more
OCTOBER 15 would be my
suggestion.
I don't know how that fits into
staff's timeline, but I would
caution you before we solidify a
date here that we look at what's
going on during that time,
because you'll have early voting
and then the election and, of
course, things could change on
the council as far as who is
officially on the council.
I would like everybody to have
the opportunity to participate,
so I think we need to look at
the week before early voting so
we're not taking that away from
anybody.
Any comments or objections?
>>James Clinch: none at all.
I think more than ever, moving
it sooner is a good thing for
us.
We'll just have to confirm with
MR. Wilson to make sure that
works with his schedule.
If you want to give us authority
to work with the city clerk with
your all schedule, we can work
with MR. Wilson to find a date
that works.
>>Mayor Pachota: my proposal to
the council would be OCTOBER 15,
because I think you have make a
difference day happening the
next day and then you have that
weekend and then early voting
starting that weekend.
The other thing is, I'd like to
give you an opportunity to speak
to some of the things that we're
talking about.
I'm going to need to remind
everybody, probably the third or
fourth time, if we could take
our cell phones and put them on
silent so we can have
uninterrupted discussion, I
think that's very important.
I would like you to take a
minute, MR. Clinch, and just
kind of talk about some of these
concerns that have been brought
up.
I specifically remember a time
when we were talking about
laurel road.
I had just come on to council,
talking about a public-private
partnership.
Everybody on the northeast side
was in favor.
Then we had a group come in, I
think they just moved into town,
kind of built up and then all of
a sudden wanted to pump the
brakes on it, came back to the
council, hey, we want to move
forward on the expansion of
laurel road.
It's very complicated as a
council member because you're
trying to listen to your
constituents.
I specifically remember looking
at the audience at that time and
saying, I want to very
cautiously move forward on this
because we've already had two
different pump-the-brakes
conversation.
If you really want us to move
forward, I want to hear it from
a lot of people that we're
moving forward so I'm not
pumping the brakes on something
again.
Kind of reliving that with the
airport.
Had concerns over time.
Since I was a kid, we talked
about having the airport
relocated across town and other
parts of the state.
I'm not trying to minimize
anyone's concerns, but at the
same time, the master plan
should be for us to have a plan
so that we can see what's
coming.
It should not be for us to do
any expansions, to do anything
that's going to drive more
growth at the airport.
I've been very vocal about that
since the beginning of this.
I want you to have an
opportunity here to talk about
some of the concerns because I'm
seeing it again in my e-mail.
There are definitely some things
that seem to be misconstrued
facts or misunderstandings or
whatever it might be.
So if you'd like to take a
minute to kind of go over some
of that, I'm going to give you
that opportunity.
>>James Clinch: thank you,
mayor.
Happy to also work with the
history which you touched on, on
the tower.
This did come up originally over
four years ago.
It was brought to our attention
by vasi directly.
it still is today all about
safety.
This was a major safety concern
that they brought forward to us,
made a presentation to council,
and we got the direction at that
point in time to expedite the
master plan and to pursue grant
sources for a tower.
At that point in time, remote
towers were not really well
known and were not authorized
for use.
So there was a real potential of
having a brick and mortar style
tower.
I want to clear that up, next
topic.
What we heard today, nothing has
really changed with the tower.
It's still a remote tower that
we're pursuing, as it always has
been, a camera on top of poles,
but you still have to have a
place where humans are
monitoring these virtual -- the
virtual information that's
coming into a control room.
When I spoke to you all in JUNE,
and this kind of goes to the
root of the challenge that we're
having here.
I certainly apologize to the
community for any misinformation
or misinterpretation that's
happened.
But while we were on breaks from
council meetings, our staff are
actively still working.
So there have been some changes
since JUNE that we just haven't
had the opportunity to share.
One of the big changes is we had
hoped, and I talked about in
JUNE, we hoped that we would be
able to put that control room
within the new administrative
building that we are building,
that's under construction today
on the airport property.
our engineers and our architects
were directed to look into that,
modifying the building to
incorporate it.
The only way it would fit
because it is a pretty big space
with all the screens and I.T.
Equipment is if we lost the
community room.
Well, that community room is
something we've been promising
the airport and south island
community for years.
So I was not comfortable with
losing the community room and
replacing it with a control
room.
So I asked our staff, I said, we
need to go back to the drawing
board.
So that's where this potential
other location came from.
So we have to put the control
room somewhere.
Where could that control room
be?
Well, it could be off-site.
It could be anywhere.
It could be at our airport in
another small modular building.
It could be at a different
airport in tampa or arcadia.
These are decisions that have
not been made yet, but as part
of the grant process, there are
decisions that have to be
clarified and conceptualized for
the faa.
That's where this presentation
came from.
It was a direct response to
questions that came in from the
faa as part of the grant
process.
Kind of going back to the
history, we talked about this
remote tower for four years.
Talked about it at length at our
FEBRUARY strategic planning
session and got into our
strategic plan, and we've been
lucky enough now that there is
this authorized remote tower
system that we can pursue.
We submitted the grant.
We don't know yet if we're going
to be awarded this grant or not,
but if we were, it would be a
huge benefit from a safety
standpoint to our airport.
And from a financial standpoint,
it would cover virtually the
entire cost of the remote tower.
What I would propose, and why
this workshop is so important,
if we hold it after we know --
we should hear on the grant
award really within the next 30
days or so.
When we hold this workshop,
we'll know if we're getting the
money or not.
When we know we're getting the
money, we can have those more
substantial conversations about
how are we going to staff the
tower?
Do we want to have in-house
controllers or contract it out?
Where do we want to put the
control room?
There are a lot of benefits,
pros and cons to all the
scenarios.
We just haven't gotten into that
yet.
It is a little bit unfortunate
that this conceptual plan is
being taken out of context and
used as this is what's going to
happen.
That's just not true.
But I'm sorry we weren't able to
get ahead of it sooner.
The last thing I want to say and
this is the most important
thing, it's still about safety.
In 2022, when this came up, it
was about safety, and we are now
41% higher operations than we
were in 2022.
If it was unsafe then, it's 41%
more unsafe at this point in
time.
We've also had a study from
F.D.O.T., an engineering
analysis, to say a tower is
warranted for safety purposes.
I can't stress that enough.
I love the video slip of the
statement I made because that is
so true.
Safety is paramount when you are
running this type of operation.
Unfortunately, we've had
incidents, we've had fatalities
at our airport.
I'll do everything in my
authority to make sure we reduce
that risk moving forward.
Safety remains the most
important thing.
Will there be benefits for noise
abatement, absolutely.
We'll have more control over the
zero control that we have today.
So there's some ancillary
benefits, but it's all about
safety.
Last thing I want to say is I
appreciate everybody who reached
out to our office yesterday with
questions.
We answered everybody who called
in and every e-mail that came in
and we will continue and be open
to do that.
I hope that helped to at least
clarify where we are a little
bit today.
>>Mayor Pachota: with that, is
there any other question for MR.
Clinch?
MR. Smith.
>>Ron Smith: just briefly.
Two things.
I first focused on yesterday,
when we saw e-mails, and, again,
I don't know the actual
situation, so I'd ask if you
could give us a quick update,
not wait until fire off
workshop.
People were asking about whether
we are planning to buy air
rights or outright buy homes as
part of our noise abatement
situation.
There was a map showing where
they would be and people saying
I live right next to that,
what's going on there.
Is it possible to update the
public on that at this moment?
The other one last night being
asked about whether we're going
to have a second fixed-base
operator and what is the status
of that.
If I could ask those today so
people know what the situation
is.
>>James Clinch: sure.
I'm happy to tell you what I
know.
Airport directors in the back,
if you want to get into more
details.
These are really separate from
the tower discussion.
There was an exhibit in the
tower grant that showed the rpz,
the runway protection zone,
showed it overlapping three
properties.
This is really part of the
master plan process.
We'll be talking more about
this.
My understanding is the faa is
looking at those three
properties as a hazard, because
they are.
They are in the rpz.
We were able to move that rpz
about ten years ago or so which
was great.
We took a lot of houses out of
the danger zone by shifting the
runway to the south.
but there are still three
properties that are within that
rpz.
I believe the faa is looking at
that going, you really need to
have a plan for these properties
in the future, whether it's
getting an easement or outright
buying those properties.
That's something that we will
talk more about when we get into
the master plan.
I spoke to a couple of people
about this yesterday.
We are not actively pursuing any
purchase of those properties.
Ing
.Nothing is happening at this
point in time but is part of a
discussion for the master plan.
>>Mayor Pachota: I think you
need to highlight we're not
actively pursuing eminent domain
either.
I think that was a very big
concern, are you coming to take
my house?
>>James Clinch: correct.
Not pursuing eminent domain.
It is the master plan.
It is the plan for the next 10
to 30 years of the airport.
Second fbo, again, something
that ties into the master plan.
I think it's very well known at
some point in time there will be
a need for second fbo.
We're looking in the master plan
and we'll get into where these
kind of things could go, because
as we heard in the video clip,
which is true, we do want to try
to shift the more impactful
operations to the far east side
of the airport.
If and when an fbo were to come
in, that would be the area we
would look at.
That will be talked about in
more depth with the master plan.
>>Ron Smith: thank you for those
answers.
>>Mayor Pachota: with that, I'll
make a motion then that we
schedule the airport workshop,
and, if we could, look at the
date of OCTOBER 15, or working
with the clerk's office, propose
a date that works with all of
the council members.
Seconded by vice mayor boldt.
MADAM Clerk, do you have anybody
signed up to speak?
>> no, we do not.
>>Mayor Pachota: any council
discussion on the motion?
Seeing none, MADAM Clerk, if you
can ready us for an electronic
vote.
Council members, when your
lights are flashing, you can
indicate your vote.
MADAM Clerk, you can tally and
display the vote.
It passes unanimously.
[Sounding gavel]
We do have a noon executive
session scheduled, so I'll move
on to the next item and then
we'll probably break after that
to go to executive session.
With that let's move on to
26-0706, and this is an item
that was put on by MR. Smith and
MS. Frank.
So MR. Smith, if you would like
to introduce the topic briefly.
>>Ron Smith: thank you, mayor.
I know you want an introduction
and then a discussion.
I'll try.
I was extremely impressed with a
presentation given to us over
the course of two meetings by
steve carr on this topic.
And we have since received
materials from their lawyer.
So I wanted us to have a good
discussion of this long-standing
issue involving curry creek.
>>Mayor Pachota: with that, is
there any staff input on this,
MR. Clinch?
>>James Clinch: yes, mayor, if
it's satisfactory, I'd love to
invite our city engineer up to
give you an update on really the
two items, one being the swap
with sarasota county on deer
town gully and curry creek.
The second being the private
maintenance discussion on the
sawgrass section.
>>Mayor Pachota: he's already up
here and ready to go.
>> good morning, mayor and
council.
For the record, jon kramer, city
engineer.
I do have some exhibits for the
overhead.
As a reminder, you're probably
familiar with this exhibit, this
is showing the patchwork
fractured nature of maintenance
for curry creek and blackburn
canal.
There are several segments here
that have different entities
responsible for their
maintenance.
Some sections, there is a
different entity on the north
side and the south side of the
creek.
The city is responsible for the
portion of the yellow and green
portions of curry creek.
In an effort to consolidate the
maintenance, city staff begun a
conversation with county staff
to transfer this portion of
curry creek from city
responsibility to county, and in
return, the city would take the
responsibility for deer town
gully.
This is the portion that the
city is responsible for
maintenance of curry creek that
we would like to transfer to the
county.
Through that discussion, we
recognized that this would also
be an opportunity to resolve
some right-of-way segments and
easements that were never
transferred in the 2014 road
transfer agreement between
sarasota county and the city,
but were probably believed to
have been at the time.
This exhibit -- and I have one
more -- is showing the easements
and right-of-way that the city
would assume from the county.
And in here, we have deer town
gully, the unimproved beach
road, unimproved circle drive,
unimproved sunset drive, circle
drive north of short road, and
unimproved alleyway in the cross
wind landings easements.
In addition, the city would like
to take maintenance of this
easement portion of flamingo
ditch.
We would like to be able to
maintain that.
City staff have worked with the
city attorney's office to draft
an interlocal agreement for
consideration by the county
staff and then presentation to
city council and the county
commission.
This now, since we're looking at
road right-of-ways as well as
drainage right-of-ways and
easements, this is going to
require input from the county's
stormwater and transportation
departments.
They have notified us that the
earliest they might consider
this would be the end of this
calendar year.
Now, I'm sure you're also
familiar with the portion of
curry creek within sawgrass that
is maintained by sawgrass.
This has been about a ten-year
discussion.
And we did receive the recent
correspondence from the attorney
with sawgrass questioning the
maintenance responsibility of
that portion.
Our city attorney has responded
and there's been no change to
city staff's position that
sawgrass is the responsible
entity.
There are currently no
discussions with sawgrass about
the city potentially assuming
some maintenance o this
portion.
If council directs staff, we can
initiate some sort of
discussion.
I'd like to point out that
council MAY not hear requests to
assume maintenance of private
infrastructure very often.
But in the engineering
stormwater department, we get
these requests several times a
week.
We did analysis, and if you look
at the lane miles of roads
with the cit t city I
respsible for the maienance
of less analf the roads
within t city.
E rest are private roads,
d-maintain roads, county
ros, state roa.
And in addition, we don't have a
good number of the private
ormwater infrastructe, but
we believe alsohe city I
responsible for aboutalf or
less of e stormwar
infrasucture within city
limi.
If city sff were to start
mainining private
infrasucture, that would
generay require an incree in
our stormwer assessments.
So city staff's position, whe
're asked to maintainrivate
infrastrucre is not to
recommd approval b council I
neral.
However,his is aolicy
decisionhat is up to cncil.
Council directsity staff,
we can look into some sor of
intenance agreement with
sawgrass.
Mayor Pachota: does that
conclude your presentation?
>>Jon Kramer: yes.
>>Mayor Pachot we'll start
with MS. Fra.
>>Rachel Frank: ank you so
muchor refreing our memory
on countversusity vsus
privately matained.
First, quick aside I'm
thrilled that we asked the
county about potentily taking
over maintenancef what I wou
call -- what d you call I
golden bch unit 2asement,
north hibiscu poinsettia.
That would be aming to have
at within city control,
obviously, becau we are all
well aware of what that
neighborhood went tough wit
the storm two years ago.
So to have the accountability
th usnd not with the county,
think wou be a win for the
residentin that area.
That's wonderful
in regards tcurry cre, I
hear you loudnd clear that if
multip times a week the city
staff has to tell individuals,
no, we'r notoing to aume
publicnfrastructure, whether
that's roa, pipes, et cetera
wean't withoutramatically
creasing our budget.
So I would like a ltle bit
morelarity on -- youre the
engineernot us.
Is there any broader public
benefit to pottially
maintaining th sawgrass section
of cry creek?
Just talk to me a lite more in
deil abouthe wer flow in
that aa.
Obviously, the resents are
very concerned about flooding
after all that we've endured
over the lastwo years as a
city.
Can youalk to me a little bit
about the water flow in that
area and the dynamics of the
sawgrassrivately owned and
maintained poron?
>>Jon Krer: sure.
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you'll note that thisortion of
curry creek within sawgrasss
in the middle of the curry creek
conveyance
obviously, any obsuction in
that ption or any area
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issues for residen outside of
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tracross sawgrass and then
through all kinds o other
erties to dump into the
that makes I a very
diff son than
drainage pon on their pro
they I u those t
crs part o our stormwater
system.
And to say, we don't have
to maintain tha piece bec
it's onour property sort of
unique pnhat we're
ta because theseies of
teron't usually
throug community.
Th usually like on the
border.
Are right the border of
bay indi
not in bay indies on
th border, that type of thing
this has been a long-standing
oblem.
Many, ma years.
And even if we had good
argument n toain it
years ago, theituation has
changed because w approve all
ki ofopment along aubur
, both sidesf fox lea
rms.
Approved all development
up b hospital u there on
curry lanehat's created
ng in that area.
Situations more sev
than it' ever b I terms othe damage of that creek backi
could do t pies.So ive it's incumbent
toe an agreementh
sawgrass.
Hopefulhat c is
g to direct the staff a
your invitation, to wth
sa on angreement take
over rountenancef
rry creek.
I wa thank again steve carr
r his representatio us,
ng to educate u on it and
the problem.
And d addre it as a
il.
So thank.
>>Pachota:r.Ngelke.
>>Kegelke: thank you.
Cue, smith and
agree fundaly on
just a everythin was
presen
I'm going a lot
words.
Steve, thaor your wor
d secondly, with thern
gully, it'st of the city.
And I don't t that it sh
be diffeted between county
and city, especia something
like that, that's clearly wit
the its.
Which leads u to curry creek,
and not just saw buthe
ole area.
Do understands
position regar cleaning
culverts that typef thi
but to me, this little bit
bigger tha jus saw
it rea is fro the beginning
end.
Love the idea where we can
make its seamless as pos
ng some stuff to the county
d taking some stuffe
city.
W, that being said, I very,
very concerned a any
pol liabilities that the
city might picking upthe
event of, hey,
someand it's notone
perfectltandards have
ged or, whatever, we have
the responsibili paying
r a lot of wet houses.I am very, concerned wit
that
but do understand tha the
need to look at this as jus
being sawg but s to
finish o whole waterwasawgrass in the central venice
ion, they have don lot
of work this.
Ow they has don lot
w on this thing.
What I would l to do is bring
tion,be a little
premfor a motion in terms
ur discu but an
that w eally dir
city staff to e
central ven coaliti
becaus just a sawgrass
e, and withass, maybe
rkinge wit cen venice
coalition to comeo an
agt onwe can and
ot do.
Mr, I sure if it's
time for a motion.
N Smith: and a second.
Mayor Pachota: not t for
ei
still have t peoplee
list t talk.
Ce mayor.
Vice Mayor Boldt: thou.
T torolong this, but my
memory is as goo as it used
to so mayd a little
help
iteems to m the last
of years, we worki
with sawtrying to do a
rezoning.
The history of sawgrass, if yo
go back aittle bit, m memoryagain is nhat great, it
s county.
It was
it wasy, it was c
there was t back forth
thhink that went o
tely, we to
compromi I seem to r
on what weanted to versus
what we ultim
but what I'ming to say is I
feel like cty of
rass got stuck inhe middle
this whing.
So there I of fingepointing goingo who
should b taking care of
the easies to resol all
of that is to, hey,t's
yourem.
Eems to be wherere.
I completelee wit m
colleagues up h that a
saying it flows through
ity, it affects other
areas stormwater within the
city, we don't take care
it, st toe degree, I
we delp tre of it,
we can bigger probl than
werted out with.
So I am an advocate fortartingsome negotiations with regard to
t separatehis and h to
putomenfluence on oeor the other so that 't
have t worut this
fo
thank you.
>>Mayor Pachota:eed.
>>Lloyd thank you.
Jold you p the map
ag for me, pleas
I have questions about the map.
>>Jon Kramer: the overall one.
>>Lloyd Weed: there legendons.
The yellowection isrently
maintainedhe city of
veis that correct?
Jon Kramer: yellow green.
Lloyd Weed: yellow green.
Okay.
We are looking fhe
unty toake over themaintenance of yellow andn?
>>Jon Kramrrect.
D Weed: okay.
also, the words
curry creek canal, ts gray
and black.Who has responsib for the
grayhe blarea, in t
area?
Jon Kramer: there I a legend
goes with this that
rtunately I did not print
he city.
Lloyd Weed: the city.
Okay.
Ghter]
My concern I have many,
maifferentroup wking on
differenarts of cuy creek
and blaburn canal.
'reoong a tnsfeing
e mntenan respoibilies
tohe gre and the yellow to
the county in ehae r us
ki or dr townul,
which ave no pblemh.
But at the sa tim we'
log aturer cplatin
byaking,heit vic
tangr eec tt
go tou cry cek,hich
us lehain one
patchwork quilt for another.
I don't know if there's any
possibility of negotiating with
the county to take over the
sawgrass portions, that they
have that entire run under their
responsibility rather than just
moving this patchwork quilt
around.
>>Jon Kramer: if council directs
staff to look into maintaining
this portion, city staff would
likely talk to county staff
about having the county perform
the maintenance in that portion
and city MAY fund that
maintenance.
As just a point of reference,
right now, our last maintenance
contract, city paid about $1.55
per linear foot to maintain the
banks of the curry creek
portions we're responsible for.
If council would like us to look
into maintaining that, we would
likely ask the county to perform
the maintenance and fund that.
>>Lloyd Weed: thank you for
clarifying.
>>Mayor Pachota: all right.
I'm last on the list and then
we'll go back around for round
two.
My biggest concern is just like
everything else that's come our
way, flamingo ditch, curry lane,
gene green road, all the
different parcels, there's a
funding component.
Millions of dollars to do these
things, and when the development
begins, they have the
opportunity to bring it up to
standard and present it to us as
us taking that over and the city
could take over if wanted to.
Millions of dollars need to be
spent and curry lane is best
example, to bring it up to
standard before we take it over.
I pause here with all this
discussion.
Yes, of course, I'd love for us
to maintain it and make sure it
gets done, but at the same time,
I would need to see the costs
associated with us being
responsible, plus I vaguely
remember with the flamingo ditch
discussions that anytime we take
something over or take over the
responsibility of the
maintenance, we then become
liable for any of the issues
that develop later on or bank
improvements or whatever it
might be.
So there is a lot of caution in
my mind when we start talking
about taking these things over,
that the developer could have
done that when they built this
in the first place and chose not
to do it for whatever the reason
was.
Now we'll have to take that on
as a citywide taxpayer base.
I'm not saying I'm against it.
I'm saying I would need to see
all of the financials involved
and all of the legal
ramifications involved in us
taking responsibility of that.
So when we do get to that point,
I would love for those questions
to be answered as we're moving
forward with this discussion.
MS. Frank, you're next and then
MR. Engelke.
>>Rachel Frank: yes, to my
colleague, MR. Weed's question,
I pulled up the e-mail from MR.
Carr and it stated that the
black line is sarata county
owned d maiained, andhe
ay portions wer privately
neand mntaid.
Sohe is lile b of
ffercehe
t molle, MAY
pot about the economic
realities associated with new
matenance respsibilities,
that was why I questioned our
fina director about the
overall state of our stormwater
nd which at rs ge
appes e to ben very
healthy on, which would
warrat least a
igation to the ongoing
nuaintenanceost for this
sawgraoroncurryreek.For tnsrency, if o
ormwater f w dtrsed
andtouse iia
ineas to our swar fee
ate pass along to o full
tax base, I would hav more
coern.
Bu I appears at firstoo we
ght be I a healtla a
have theacy.
ouoi, I wraurer
arassociat wh iul
spency o that.
>>Mayor chamr engel
Ken Engelkha you.
You mon aritrt,
5 r leaoo
atould t tnslate tf
we we tpick up that
spsibility t area tt
we tking abo?
55,000, 00
n amer: roin
manae of thatoron
wod be about0,0 a yr.
>>Ken gelke: I rlly,
ha to say, b a
ingnicant amelative to
th9 llion, wter we
ven t rerve for
I do contie to stress t
ci'siability thate'
piing up,ut'merinly in
favo oftartinghe proce
MR. Ma y'll le ow
when c mak a motion.
>>MayoPaota: reaheyou
sir.
Ken Engelk: ank you
I wouldik to makio
fothe city cou t
auore the ci mag t
me withrentativesfhe
sawgraomnity andhe
centvece clion to
vep a pn for they
vece to pvi geral
maintenatohe sectif
currek ttlo through
eawass cni.
>> sd.
>>viEngelke:gn.
Laughter
keepingin t cits
exposureddional
liilies.
Now do
>>Ron Sm sond.
>>Mayocha: MR. Cy
mage
>>mes Clin tnk you,
mayor.
Just waedo cla t
ngge.
We've b talki aut routine
innance.
Ihink theorused in
motionas generaienance.
Wean have flexili to
brg backgreement the
st imporntng which I
hed from you alls tt w
fi the sco of wt tha
innance is a make se
's ver cle for ebo
who is ihe room, wre not
gog toe oside of tt
sce cause th I a lot oprate infrtrture outhe
atould be highollars.
>>KeEnlke: I a wh
your ierpretatn.
Me backith wtever y fl
appropri
we've to the ball
movi.
>>mes Clin: ank you.
>>Mayor cha: madamrk
e do ha two speer
jt wanted l you know.
Mar Pachote' get
e.
Alright.
So with tt, weav ppe
mo a second.
Wel go ahe and entertany
speake, dam c, t
time
>>he firstpeaker ste
carr.
Has fivnus.
>> good aernoon, MR. Mayornd
ty councor
thank foositivemments ouppo.
It's c g ithat
direion.
Ai tha youery much.
I r want givudos
citanag jam cnch and
astityanag rer
enhir anve fmhe
enneerin department.
Hang the opportuty to do the
transferf the stormwar ditch
to bri them monder,
especially outhatay, under
the county's umbrell is rlly
terrific and really is quit a
nderful opportity thats
w possible wit the county.
Because as abody that's tried
to wk with the cnty, it'
most like the federal
governmenthathe viceayor
had mentied.
It's really, really difficulto
get a straigh answer, a
really diffilt to get in the
sameoom.
Iseally is a terfic project
that looks like it'soing to
happen.
The onlyther comnt oth
than thaing, aga,
unfortately, withinur
press to prove projes, as
MR. Mayorad mtioned, it
rely stops a the developer
agreement do the 25-ar
stormwater dites to
accommodatthe water that would
be disaced by not having the
counity there.
That's whe it sto.
There really isn't anyhought
tohe amount of water that
ows tard curry cre and
otr places ce the is the
storms a the pondsill up and
e overflo
that's the key.
That's one part that isot
nsidered in o process
I'm nosure how we de with
it, butt should be something
that wreognizant of bause
it does impact n only the
curry creek area, t central
venice area a all t
businessesbut it is allround
thcity.
th's what ihink the
floodplainanagement proct
that the enginring departmt
is startin to look a will,
again, giv bigicture of how
stormwat isandled in the
city of vene.
Again, the's been a lot of
positive this, and I
appreciate you time and your
considerion through ahis.
Than you.
Excuse me,ne other thing.
I think therere a number of
sawgss people her today I
would really le to tha them
for coming o and hring this
convertion.
Anks.
Mayor Pachota:hank you for
your commes.
Next saker.
>> morgan bentley representing
sawgra.
I'll be sup brief.
Weook forward to t
convertion.
'll come up wh a great
agreement.
We think you'l like it.
Your sta is great.
>>Mayor chota: thank y for
youromments.
Is that all of our speakers?
>>es.
>>yor Pachota: a council
scussion?
Ay.
Eing none, we' move to an
ectronic vote.
MADAM Clerk, when you' rea,
make us ready f that process
councilembers, whenour
lights a flashing, y can
indite your vote.
All ght.
Mada clerk, youan talnd
display.
Passesnanimously.
[Sounding gel]
[Plause]
Thhat, weill take our
execive session a comack
[Unding gavel]
>>Mayor Paa: allht.
We're back.K you en thece foreing are o t6-0707
thtus of lauadidenin projencludi
ddinand revedine.
. Sth, puton t
, ifou cou bri
introduce it
Ron Smit tha you, mor.
Ied for thi-ofoue,
ve wee ago, dn't h I
on the agenda yet.
Ierstood therereomedeenitid
ter bhat
bac
wtee ableoeport
thato t p
inder thas excde
the f mon the city
y commi, thetate had
ady committ
so I wand toet an update on
th, ere we standnd what
wi haveo happen if those
ds exceed what we budted.
>>Mayor chot MR. Clinch, do
you havenythin on this top?
Jamein:do
ask m ker oit
gine t be withecoun, h p
te.
N amodnoon,
madounc
fo the recr,ity
engi.
As you're awa laurel road
dening is a publiprivate
partnehip project maned by
sarasota countand the laure
roaddd.
E prectas a million
budgethalf from a state grant
d lf mobilympt
abouix a a h mli
thatmoun wasnt on
right -- waycquisi,
leav9.5 milln
constionthe bidhe pject
ier thisear.
Ey opene bids on MAY 22nd,
d ahe bids wever the
oject budtnd thedd
rectedhe
cddn worked wh t
contto vuengin
the ect t rede tuction cos
theyke athis as
itchhe pemenesign,
th o srmwar
pipethey switchem bding tprt aump sum to uni
priceostsnd, mos
importantl ty hav
identifi a fill location
the contracto.
The cost o I ually
nsiv but t
trspti of fil is vy
exnsiv
some of esontracere
lookg ring I flro
adjant cous.
An itilar, I d h an
exhi can share o the
overhead.
The cdd h identied this
existing pond sourc of
fill.
Thant to dig thi pond
eper.
Is inheloent t
theiltl and
randasposed.
Sohistingond, ty wan
digeeper whe
isootpri, a t
believthre wil a
ion dolla savgs
ing th pond a fil
ca
e c has readvti
prec bid areuen
PTrd
theyxponstruio
tivity tst lat
candr.
C awe anyuestio.
Machota:r. Smi.
Ron Smh: you.
Nalkut tt
excate f m
nvironnt
pas iom some
lkre goi t be u
wi?
Jon Krer the lakeill n
toered to
r.
I'veeeol tject
ennet T.W.M.D
peit thatake alled
to beeper, a wne
it wnally, they
't gosees pnn
soig it deeril
quire dewatin
itl pyro a wer
quitfit bing a
pmal,ut I
uldn'txp ide
srmenuati
befi
if y ee aetdow
theonel, the
groundte justus I
an thapace.
Sohis dgi pondsee
somhit I tic
during cction
od whe ton
iginal b ccted,
contraor more fl,ndth modyhemit tdi pd d
's ait unusu t
diggging pdeebut iaveen t occ I
past.
>>Ron itnkou.
F.W.M. I ot
ap that?
>>n: I'molha
S.M.D. H ad I
theyeot appli thecityo t.
Ou a year aidve
anppon whe wante
-- he propodavatinhi
weanion foill,nd w
me ms whm.
Ey whdhat appca
dhahe tyec t
rsue d y tsting
dpe
>>Ron itn thast
me in d somin
la, houghtha was
publ, ow y'r sin
re goi t dhi
e road
I wro?
>>n: thenvironnt
port tt ubmitt ttoate thietlandaid I
s forhege at lael
acct.
Weubsequtl witth
tant tm.Old u mista,
thhis fl is needed f
road.Theyhdrew acation
to excave the wetnd
n'urendi
ap
n h:.
>>ot MS.
Fnkncoup o yce
la r I ts
nt oet
so yan rre memy.
Inhe pcess,ou
ned us hav I
rebias tre any
nversation or any cponts
lkg ou the h
siization orss
from t vetianolf river
cl.
Waha mtionedalto
hany cnge fm w it
initiay bid now
>>Jon as fs I know,
th have en no ces to
thatl situaon.
Rachelrank:at, becse
at w imporntspect
the prect to me.
, t n impt the
murt dthat p of t
projt, or tha separe?
>>Jon Kramaureload
projectludes the mt on t
south f laureload.
S f a I kno that
tnged I thi rebid
>>rankreat.
I thi two ps will be
ant theublico be
awe ofausey wer
pects of troject w
hearfromiden we
rtano t
so I appreate yoularig
at ourrentnderstandi thathere ino cha t
-- two aspts of tha
ad.
U.
Yor Paota: anyon
al right.
. Kramer, you f your
time.
Ecia y.
Mrsmith, do h an
it rel tohe imation
you redo yaveotio
>>Ron
I wanted update.
>>Mayor Pamadalerk
wo't imane w anydy
up sak.>> w not a I'm hg sometechl difculties.
Yor Paota: okay.
Wi there nootion,
ne t do anhingre.
So we'ove to 20708, and
thiss mr.Th, ltinrmation re
deloper's ato the city
nings vlage
develo ven
hospite.
Ith:s is sething I
askut in the l
meeting wook our bak
fo s
I wa anxio g t publi
an u
MR. Mudgas give muchf
my upd sincethanuor t
but I we to know frothe sff I t's any to
knowincer thatast
cil ing was in je and
wh curress and
at we caxpec behe
neopme
>>yor Pachot y to
mrinch.
Him anad a mh
e fo
imhimen with
he'd l say
>>Jas Clinch: u,
r.
Rtuny, a wle lot m
t t heard MR.
Mu
were ableth
theers back iddlefy.
E mayor aith the
andgnd zoning d
roger claith them
separatelytheent thateeting w
to lowt ourules
egulnsere for t
ea, what t zoning
iremen w den
thet restions,nd
thent pro would
look liky dec to
move forwa
there very coopetive.
Theymed very excbout
the potect, they
llowp, I belheyt
responnce toouncile nexteekhome updat
nderings ig therellin sca project
wn t meet ourulesnd
retions,lsooura.
Ki ofcehat time,e have
noard anythingm
em, whichrobabl notood b at thipoint, but
haveo applica o
additirespnce to
sh
th you.
Mayor chota: I'l add
that,he meetingas
reof me, and didn'
re encouge oiscourage
anhing other wha
ent says.S tre moro liste to
theyereng
ide independe
feed an indiv
cil meer.
Eyeemedyeptio
workwithinurrente,
not anythinouldotsid theurre
boundari wwe hav
butery, vere desig
an ction ofngst
would somey good usef
telogy fir water use
an energyse al, whiwasy impssive wit whatey wtryingo do t
lnt oheir
nesslage.
That'sll I hav add
anythi mr.Mith?
>>n Smith: a don't h
a on to make.
I thk you theort.
Iant to tel in
yes as a couil member,
been ae qions abo
thatospinythin
el
I' appciate it if e a
developm we cou be
tohem rather than b
work bhe back and
three moert c to
the cocil.
Jus tknowere'ow something sitti in
the ning departmen
proposin mvely
importanct her
city.
Hat pble?
>>JameClinch:ely.
Thats n proem.
Y toet all ofou kno do ep gn
apation thatroject
r Paa: mad clerk,
odyd up speakn
?
We dnot.
Mayochota: MS. Frank is
youtton pushe tkr I
just -- okay.
Tecal dficulties.
Al.
E nextse.
Da centeroratorium.
Sicall I put thion the
endaocuss really t
conc oaving a suld
thome, so ki of
tting moratium togher so
wean devop t plans
andaredf when
something ome to
s noanyniti
in city r thi
but ant be unprepa
th why I t t
agenda.
Mam clerk, do youavenybo
gned up speak?
O.
>>Mayor let make a
if the'scuss the
we ce tiscussion.
My motion t d s tobring backn oinance forn
18-monoriu ona
ced-or timerame
that is lellyible
beuse I knoenatl 180
is con
ct sta tring backn
ordinae8 month
moraum onata cters or a
fra that iegally
sibl
sey mr.Ard.Withhat, we'lln
scussi.
Mr
>>Ron Smit you MR.
Mayor.
Ing e fohis
moti becau I'm tol't
have athing our ce
essest, a need
tio prepareome lanage
fo our lanevelopntlation
obvihata good thi
do thahiss a
natial scare thatemindse
of2k.
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g wenowugh
t.
I've bn to sem overe sr o dat crs
e itedo
about dters
muchf what p f is not
rlity.Thegest thingt's
is it iso thrt to
r waterupply.Thepeaker h from mia
is ofater the
soutfloridaeragem
strict saihis iot a
concern.
Egul
ey hav to aermi fro
, and we wil ge any of
th permit way it' d
toda is in closed
systng wat
speakerd think of a
diator that'seingd over
d over
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nar plant
at werk in and is
recy and r
and ts speaker thahee ofells in pe c
whict have munic
ter erywhere, I a big
m thll ofhe
nters thare thougbout
and emplat inouthorid
I sai o welt
meeel a lit bter.
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outcity
andn I'moldost
mo ones e supplyiir
doesn the power gri
at all dow rel.
Othe issue pollution
nd use ishat what t
for andf t
we do ed to lane
into our Ls.
So I'm forion, but I
ing peopl dow
thyou.
R Paa: mad att
>>Kelly ndezank yo
mayo
ju anppenda tor mo
and nt w smi,
ju pc's cla,
mon I leg
ible matorium w
able u toot jus p
receiving ions allow
the det oode
ovisionshat crently d't
have a spefic to
cents.
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his o give us
unito breat andeithomethi I c
th addresses I
eng.
>>Kelke:nk you MR.
R.
Ipen agr with my
e aeingeact dat.
We don't kno but io the
ea.
Let's I t our land
code and w outay.
Justeep iteutraly
objective se code oy,
nother com thathanou.
R Paa: oh,oy.
Looks l ebody off
th
yei'll srize,ou kno that wel everythinthat we'ringm the
scussionsundortht,
rasota couund
e is exactly t ihate technolos betthaneople rze, a the
is aotf hyp oright
now.
So make tha our codes
flect prop pis all
I' looki to
I tnk tortant becausetheris, a, not areashe cy youo this, but
e arome aasoulddefinite out fm t
resints.
Therment let's
goad and do aonic
vo.
Ma cle, w're ready.
Actually,or, I'lle to
roll calle bause
something wite
system.
Mayochota:e let you
erk fo aew a
l of a sudholem
dn.>> ts whatns w
kelly le
. Smith?
>>h: y
Lloyd Weed
vin Enlke: yes.
Rick Hard: yes.
Frayes.
Ce m Boldtyes.
>>Mayor yes
itasses una.
[Sounng gavel]
All
we on t crter
mpensaon.
E have alanullock in
?
We do.
The hrectoouldike to
come u a gettart on
charterpensatn.
Alan Bullodernoon
r an couil.
R recor a bullo, h
direor for theity of ven
we have three c offics,
onm I our cit
, another cit eyee.
The other two areur city
manager y clerk, b of
re cityloyees
it I witno
, if y like, their
compenypic would
oer 1stlong with
empls.
Awaref colive
ng pss tha
foionizees,
ainithat'sithin
inistrion's rea but
thls exclusive you.
In my m
have curamesnch,
cityanager$217,500nnua
base sal
ke men, annua
sala base I 164,052
rrently.
Supd youh w tonofnformation from our pee
arnd the state aloh
locapeers.
She infmation bef
today.
Youave anyuestions,
lgo ahe, please.>>MaPachot: any qfor MR.?
Madamorney, your bn I
stlhed.
Oubt hions
. Smith.
>>Ron hank.
First,g I say here, I
want it bet's not a
criticm offse three
induals t of the pro,
because fohreers -- s
would be thi -- am
not hay wit this ocess.
Oncegain yrou sen me
perforalua pap
o oer council
memb it is our practice
not to evaehese peopljuo giv the a raise
I tnk that'sista
I'tou comt to
keendings the
ll outnd jt don'tl
thut.
Oted notill themut.
Myxperience hat a
sudent the schoo,
xecutivend cy
manar in parin any
cityasndure very
uncoortable pr a
public dis ofir
performa the to get a
we coseo do t for
our.
I wantknow -- wou
ree mehenodysheir fir y a
posi it wod be ee
portant to dvaluation,
thorma perrmance
evalon?
>>Alan: gel
emment tms, perio
ght b sixrs or a mpendon theosition t
e cyill bui I o
positions, is
with these cha offic
posis.
Nly woulde
common pract.
Smit wantoepeaagain,r.Nch hase great
woor
I'm rticularlyft
he's don w us onudge
hist budget.But think troceequire
a perrmance eva
ing of goa h and I
d lio sees dot.
Have ever don tt?
E hen't done it in
thre
theast, howg isour
and w e d
Bul: heris m
perience a bee t
job sin008.
I'een many cembe
approaches this.
Theeven elect offic
t be twor perps t
who areeres in d
rformance evaluions for the
chfice
each h var reasofor to not
to dt, out,
commng nng wit it,
whatev
itd ofn p
approachesi typxpect seeactual doing I a they MAY
ay n have at
rreln to pst s toe t
iividual coembe
approaches it.
Staevel, have
authy to tl you wha
do.
's lefup to theuals
Ron h: tha you for t
want to asut t
informate given us,
ich is minim tms
making t decision pay
I'm vy uncfortable w
arabthat you u
ion o
underhat whe p
udy was de -- he pice
udy, that police s
ld userercos to cityf
ven w bee
discus presly wn
evaluatishoulde
ng pe.
Is that co
Bul: cou youeat
questn,lease?
N Sm didn'he polic
study e diffent comparathanhate h pre
Bul: yesthat's
corr
n Smit and iou
told uhat were goin tow usehoseparabl that
said ourparabl
after their resh whenou
ne wit our uni
cause there t r
compar ven ihat
fa
>>Alan Bult nsarily
no.
Thpara that
picauseunio
gotins are local peers,
it wou be the citrth
port, ngboat keyf
rasota, et et ra.
Th pe study usempars thatereparabl
in ter policevice, irstat.
That thi yea
s moreved tgeneunion negotia
y ctainly heempar trait
ivent yo are
intereheseeinged aparabl, I did taksomee yesterday t do
re
wased b migeinteed.
To thexten youight fd I
us, I d have city cle
city manageralar
of our combleities
with that r, if ld
ke to havhose.>>Roith: I lovehave
eore we any vot
my cticism of com
at weere onallyiven
are at they aasota a
key north a
they are all n comble.
They are lal and t
for unionkers was w
tasie p
them to g are the bigge
bett pces.
Leagu cit
longbo aolde cy.
Anhrassed t
the hatheverage home
over a milonollars
thatot o c and our pay
n't g to matchtnd, ourse,heounty
is muc lar entity.There onl a of the
goldenin ttate
whe the average is a milon dollarspalmch is aer oneif we
are elvesohere,
ss.
Bestefitsnybody had.
Naples isther one.
Now aoldenity.
Any ferences tm I
evalting whataysot
fairthe f venice.
So I o the of t
I dik leagu citie -- I dn't dot thesoisticated s our pole
y di where the
tuallyookingt,hey
alsoe sealesid,
are t astal city and
gs likhat.
Ust ask for a n basicmeas
n you giv t f
everyby, every city in the
st witopulatn ben
25,000nd 30?
Thate onther w o
trying to find ces.
And in that,idn't fin
anythilly line
ty merityrk, but
ere the hstfnybody
al expses.
So I jt-wantnformaon
like t sat we canaluat ae award
inses.
And thenyt quen for
you.
Idn've u any
infoonegal fees.
Esss because have
coract,otn e
don't und
youmeluatio
in there, s I ass w would
be loo them tame
we d loo at the cleand city nager.
An Bulck: in m vw,
rtainl thisiscun I
nothg to do whe
es forhey.
E a co you
rately
is discussayso
deci the chart off pay
fothelerk the m
tion terms of inf
provid mn, I from
tandt, perhaps
insu, bu youook
th aachmenthat ided
om stawide survehich
come anny thebliciatiyou'll
seeozen a dozens oities,
alh theer and
clernd the are
, kindfoand
y exactou thinkwould
beking
I doe a morfic
ce fthe cncil as t
what you m bookior at
this point
>>n Smith: I m to be
fang younhis.
I'maulting process
ve asks t parcipateand we'venot toot.
I'm mingse pointor m
gues tc
excusi behav
thyou.
>>Alck:'re wcome.
Youe toear f
tudy
I ve thoserabl if
of I
is was n generednime
lly yething
itten r the aut I
have iwee a t of cparable
cies that we ideified in
that p sdy.
Re cocoa b, fernaina
ach, newa bepiggk, s augustinetuar
and ro beach.
E arehe eig're
loing at.
Havehe indiduals, I
will tell you the aor
the 8, all ofhem
yesterday citanager,
is $21806.
The for city cleis $121,
so that's 21 and 121,854.
Yor Paota: anyonlse
have que f block?
E onlhing iant to cla
th youn, real quick I've
tough seven yea
doin comparabl and not d
evaionsnd all thesend o
I've got emploesrk
for mny f.
Myshat ieed
isu crect mef I'm
wr, ink cit of
I pfectmple.
Believ their city clerkas a
nanciacomponento w
do
tnkrollnd clerkdities aoss th state
run inthe same situaonwher cityanager m be
resible r the entity,
however not he
sod waste div
ey MAY not hav a water
depart
MAY n have lothese
depants.
So the'slly aifficu findi a tles
wheneomparing city
noth
cficati of a pol
ofr theertition of
emt or pamedicefig
whis standhink
it a lr fs to look
at tho positions sam with
evublicorks or afscme I
complicatese ye
ookt whurdl driver
should paids
necessarildyho just
operates ack, you
and ihinkshere thingt lite complated.
Yo looktur ulitiesogra and cerin com
certicates, wh lev c
tevermay f
stewater.Hink it g kind o
licaand whave to k
thn mdnking
at t positns.
Far a even lega sers,
ich e neall
ev rigow, I loo as,l,e cities
some cous have their oattorns and somem hndfuf a.
We hav a contrt with anatto.
Would you sayhats kind of
ass oyarts
at it' reallylt f
us to d apples a
it'sr ancil mber
o theiresea
Alan Block: in t of
hr, spendfe ev
daying t establish t
shat, whe this
program orhis situationrthisitionersus that of
a ci o ent
itirtual impossi to
t ect much.
Some l theelves mor
readil tirect cparison,
poicer fighter
the, badly
spking isponsib
niston of e city,
whater that e is.
Ny tim we'ook at
ages.
That's look a wlest oosit ole list
ofgencies, bausene m n
be direcy comparab
another.
Myouookt the average a whole,umin all a
releva morccurat a
e yoet.
At tndthe dss
ovideds g
youoaveactors that
mao you decion
today.
There' per w of doi
thinke probably all des
it difntly if wet t
our indi des.
Just aion ofexibnd making the best
formedecision yotatarticur time.
Mayochota:ny othquessor alan beforwe
a moon?
Allight.
If you pushingrn,
unfoy, tystem is not
rkin
yoll have taand rse
cause can't seenyth on
the scr
>>Rank: a qstion
fo MR. Bulck.
Ju wheyou are readyor ation
Mayor Pach reaor a
motion.
>>Rachel fy.
I, as aing t for
discussion me ardhe
city crk and the cy
% inc to beary.
>>Mayor Paecon
let's go toiscussn.
Ie somiscussion. You have-
el f: yeahjust a
ick cment.
Hr wolleag, MR.
Smith iringut taper
conns,ut youwere no theivid
converi hithhe
ty clerk ah cit
nageere iharedh themfrom m vantagent how
pleased ieir
performanc the lastr
and how I isy missionmake
su t the f valnd
apprectednions t
theiperformancandn also I wou thety's bt interesn m
ion toake sur we'reepin with cpi and
incrsingire sy
apriatel
that's kin bacund to
whe I'm
Pach I'l just
om m pective I'vesid t and I saidhiso
the new agern he
came in, I I'veot s
toriti,litel
ve you the rpecto
criticiz inr off
an if we an emplo
st com to t on
, thentayto g out
the couil.
Ry raryn sev yea have evead to bring tut
to thehatldn'te
resolved.
Y a perform related
object
so thathinkhat o
cler de pl job
I t tha oity manager
ha done ahenomelob.
I h thebers
lile bit becau knowe're
lookintowards t fut as
far tax chaes, and'm
looking kee thing tigound he asar a ourts.
I think tt cpis aery
number.Thinhat years t com
you have o a little
but tha with whe o
ci managerlerk current
e, ihink theairl
cosated d tha api
adjuouldeep the
thin that.
I wou aeeith MS. Fnk's
nd w be votin
vor of it.Anyolse, y'll traisour handse cannoseethe sn.
Smi
>>Ron ith: I to vot
thisn.
Ihink a m raise.
Again,llfy c were
at pcess.
Don't ink we'rehe
roce
andryboan h arivatesatibut public
deserves hear wha
y in t wayfform.
Ever emploe in theityts terformce evaluat
e thro notecausee
de as theirervi to
give o
an it'sot enougny
al t t someby
eir ghts.
It hascusss
gr
an it usu I o
es.
I justt drawtion
th
this budget
ussiike thi wishhe couldrecoer andthe f
ha publissio about
perfof threeple
that repirecto the
col.
Evritymployee get
kind luat
ustmper tme.
We wenthrough agthyterv proceo our
cityager.
We did many ts inublic.And th is the k tngatuld ocr ilic as
well I a fra discuion of
at we'reoing.At a rate,ctually go
to vote I
thk you.
Yor ota: aone else?
Th goio work.
It oka
thnly thing I clo
wis jus that, you
absoluee wh your
ruggle on t one, m smi.
I thatormald,
ths meri tot.
I he pro dinitelyould change, don't t
itd necesrily chang
making mandato
think I should go awa far
rman appals
ecern
seindivial peof
which maye aanagemt
backgrou per comin
in h bd to
prerly evaluebod o
th perfoance I think ian
unfa etation
I theption ss
been a grehing, if so
nts to use ias aand
rougat pross.
Ey aret-wimplo.
we can termite them at any
time wo.
Ifetshat levels
ere public cion
ha
n't tnk we nto go
throh aess.
That's my opinioni erage a m cagues to
follow whar procerings
ce ahe end of th
y.
I ike I c easytify
my d to give them a rseon cpi
thi t againiould
mpha thaturlerk,ouattorney, and oity
managehaveery weleretrs, a I'm very
pleawithheirecti we'readin
madaerk, bng our
em isown, we'ahea
an a rcall ve if'd
like
>>Ri Howard: yes.
>>Rank:.
>>Ron Sm.
>>Lld Weed: y
>>Kevin Enes.
>>Viceoldtes.
>>Mar Pachota:
ssesnanily.
[Soundi]
Gav tap there
we a on 0711
ans going to be
MS. Witpprove cha
calr 20 budt
sincbudget wor
>>Jame: ma if iay
haple oning
commen.
>>Mayor Paou a n on
the ageacket,our
raisd b h.
I'm kiddi
gohead, mr.Linch, if y
like
mes ch: thk you, sirthanu,ir.
Wtedo ct linda
urirec.
This was n a sim exee.
This wasn exercisee
had t gative a bac
througreallyhe
budget.
What in front o tod is
20 dif items affects
d departmen
I d ask you privilegeto tghtem her
its a le b
ique
ippreciatedy comg to
eableeaming,
le wo tmake
-- lice offic a r
have done t
seingresent to
y do provideencertreas torovior the
two tra offics whi we
wereected to t
accomp
and it als inceire
assessmeffin stu as
well.
So thotems in there
somesuts.
It thrhifting
some fund andovin
pro soment
acco
inda will thrll
that.
Ust ed to h h
nd all ofirecto tomaket hapn.
Th
>>Linda his I
of thee jul bud
worksh discussio aings tha w disvered aftthat
we our JULstropert
valuohat inced the
eted r fropert
$110, sohat'so
genalund.
We also,e had theget
worksh, we receid notice o
grant forhe golde bea
oricurvey.
Reas budge revues
enerund 41,60
eady the exp I
the under hliety,
bue hadlude the
venues, an just notic
the willeng t
gran fundingt.
So where the reven wilnto general fund.
Then wrece notic
ich isoing to go inthe
treeion fune applied
grant a back.
We reived notice the're
gointo get a025 c
ry dter rec gra
ram theree mitigatioanthat's60,2
goesnto t tre
mitiund that ll be
used tree ping.
So inc the and
thpenset wie furer
thnumber 4 ites the
rltsrthanges,
ease of 43,145 t
nerand.Andhen numbes wo
ded thenwoitionapolice
office.
Keind,re putng t
as a sanuasteactob
he tim they areired, 75%f theirt.
Thisatheurre sary
level.
Ne yeaorl ', ful
ed a 12, fornths
as the staanuary
ct is 9,918.
We lood atepartmts andid
a thoroughlysi oheline items t wt a
things we can reallcut and d
torl
wi that weucedvelnd
trng budt in the
manageice.
The affetreatas movedo
one day.
Wed to he it two days
an rovedheel
sts.
And we removede t
reimbursem fhe city
ger's fice andemoving
e stratnning
consultantcal '
when w our nexticanni we'll do it iuse
instea o havinutside
nt cg inping
us withhat.
Ovl, weook 29,500 o of
thcity manag budt.
Deease from budge
anhen educedrofenal
rviceshi htorica
reurce $1000
weed bac theondolier
digiza t fiscal8.
We'l put that o hold.
Doi that, ptn h
t itn fiscal 27ut pick
thack up fis 2
thatreast dol
amount $10.
Withhe pub w gen
tena wemoved
cora streehts.
$50.
That onhe when
our bt whop.
Remtecauseead
e t hcane and tg o
streghts, dativ
etli, pubks, th
ng of I sti had
reetts thad n get
put ce froefore.
So w haven hwe can
use.
L picks an fl
'28.
Th whye're ringm
scalecauhey ha
gh t accdate take
forcal '27
numbe 10,eed las
year put inthe bt, w
renged ced a
tionhinnginee andadded rantsrdinat
poon whi was 1 gal
ed.
Thene talbout tha
scussehat of t wor
thatterso I d sd
ly belto t stoter
fund.
Sore takinoney o oe
genefund.
We'llitund inday 60%
tormwaundnd 40%
rald.
She'ing fions f b
gen fand t
stormw fun
we'reecreg 52,1rom
neralund twille
d into the stoterd.
Th fornforonechny,
had I the we a
t-in ca smch was
fo0,00
wetakihat out the
nera fun
we hitywid as
cont systhatas $35
ery forhe nive
s.
D twee pssio
ices thoseject
inheeral f
're go to that of
geneund a I.T c
up wite t the look at
ese projeether a
it one bigroje ins
ofing tryt over
fiears doi littl
h a litbitere, a
li bit here,hat I I
goto c t d tle
ojectp frontnd twe c
ge it he cenales
tax.
'reakinhe 100ut o
the gener fundhen w
be ag expenithi the
e cenes t
foire, aecussed
rlieat we're add
prsionalvices fing
the assest anhe
affitudy,stim cost
120,0 foth ofse
o.
At w be two drent
ndors dthatecau
does t assent f and
othell beng t
affingdy.
Thatn este o,000.
Th bei aensedded
inenerald.
Thenber3, wn par w
ced scoor the ven
beac pavn r
we h500,00r t roo and
they goio ce the
e andesign do
someg diffe.
Sot dases thato
,000d thane iithin
e one centes fun
is dase fro tne
es t fun
infoionechnol I t
was a jul meeti we
lked aboutemov the.T.
Ice theipmeor
thackue,emov t
prtvaluatgain I
scal 2
so in cenal
fureng ten
1,
er5 ihe nroje for
t.Ddnhee'
reng cam sm
th cywidcces conol
ofesonalervis a
combining into one surit
project R.T. And wre
puing 28,0nto the
nerafundor tha secity
prect.
Th'sombini those two
prectsntoig pctwithin one c salax
fund
nuer 1e added, I
where reddgcontices
tr gthis the tre mitigatnd, and ts
di-nu copy rd
trs anther tntin
're tt t gntdd
theranteven and here I
e expense forhat.
Isce we'redding n
licefficersre gting
em tew poleicles.
Thatill be expeedut o
theolicpact fee f
sie alehles wedot ha we n upoli impee fd.
Reaintl outhe gundutthat
thinlurase wcome
ouof t law ecentim f funds
heponcased
ount need for mntenance
theeeringerl
resting sysm.
We amoun there,
,000 ande'dding
2, b onuosha the
airpt sveincee
thudge worho
is is inthat
thportgeo
mmate r t eense.
19 whatd abo
nein pition,nts
orditor.
Th 52,2gut o the
gel fund w bddednt
thorer fd.
And e lt one, nber0,
red the sol wasruck-
wh ty ha the cipor t
d steruckthey hne
in fca28 a onen fisl
'29.We're remin fro fiscal
28poca 2
thon in 28 gettinged
2
is ius mov t o tha
s fisca 'ovin it up
from t '27, ain50
toheleet fun
fuings adyre
at.
So this jtpproiati
thexpor it.
Is b tto le,
when-tt nbet
00,0 twas negive
thgenedsow 821
ats otasin
mexpens wi the
nt f a forin-
I k id one f p.
i k misd for pks.
Er
er 9heks.
're easingercontual rves a
contractmowinghe
heas par
whdid triginal bud
weidt ha enough I tre
noreast pk f
coctl mowi
so the ctionre
so expses theddin
rhe fir snd addin
for istracervices,
netecf that ll
5,
causweere he 8,0
origalndow tha nbe
5,
1 dlars f ter
an qst onf t
ge
wheeorward the
blic hea I septe
eschan b
withinpuicearing then.
He dla a whe we
theolla aun withi
oininud
th chang if ey a
prov b cil tod.
Mayor chota:oulday
pein man of you
t to askuestns if
u p youmi un
n he lht.
Monofho, tn
know y want t
anybodve qstions
. See?
Obacl.
You foow insucons.
>>elrank: acihe
its conred bot
>>nda nnas gng
lk-was sinfnybo
d onsnhi o.
Rach fi dhave o
on autha y aeady
cored.
sigfica cng
exns theenic bch
vilif.
I le tt itas sigfi
savis.
Coiding wentl
ac o locisri
ster and is important
ast ur communityis t
any nocelehaha a
ss mig ove?
>>ndSee: ttig b
mo engeengueion,it
mage
Jamech: puicsreally hdlingtrojectwh the hav u tyid
atruc alysis hatbeachiln.
Perbol pa.
Anit nee raiweaddy progrmen,
lelaonepla thi
this w bef itotd
theegter,nd borehe
mefir sra
irs to
ifou gut there now, y'll
noceel sup cum I
ple that have reiord it.
So beegh ser
huesithoue.
Puorks w able to lk at
thisjecthat's bn
mmed f ahile aay,
y, loo rpi this dow and
built, whi was the
or pn, ig to
veryisptive.Itill the fooenr ou
of s for sonth
t th beaccs ou of
seic sixs.
Leokt ing aenov
tohiss oppoo tally
arg it down and rebldg
o lk tame.
Alys goio mror whas
ther
t this bore of a
tion pjeowers
totall ruildt.
>>ch Frank hpful
than y.
Mar Pa I don s any
hegree ligs.
Yocan ahead and con
Linda nn we d aeep
alyske I sd, o ery
sing le ite o
ssibilof c t
et in place
were oer ite tt w
ideredutid noteme
om theudt ths f
eratiofo counc ychse tove tm o "no."
antly slln the
bundotemoved
ese otherms tt we
didsiderossiblemovin
from tt.
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