1 00:00:24,117 --> 00:00:25,583 Good morning everyone. We'll 2 00:00:25,583 --> 00:00:26,984 call to order today's Code 3 00:00:26,984 --> 00:00:28,984 Enforcement special Magistrate 4 00:00:29,515 --> 00:00:33,115 hearing. The first item on the 5 00:00:35,282 --> 00:00:37,616 list is cesw26-00101 Hawks Run 6 00:00:37,616 --> 00:00:39,982 Development llc. Has anyone 7 00:00:39,982 --> 00:00:41,382 signed up to speak? 8 00:00:41,382 --> 00:00:42,116 >> We do not have the 9 00:00:42,116 --> 00:00:44,116 respondent present. 10 00:00:44,617 --> 00:00:46,617 >> Okay, MR. Lewis. 11 00:00:48,283 --> 00:00:50,500 >> Yes. This is a second return 12 00:00:50,500 --> 00:00:53,317 hearing in regard in regards to 13 00:00:53,317 --> 00:00:54,350 compliance, in issuing an order 14 00:00:54,350 --> 00:00:56,283 code. Officer Mike Halpin is 15 00:00:56,283 --> 00:00:58,350 here to with an update for Your 16 00:00:58,350 --> 00:01:00,782 Honor. And we'll also have the 17 00:01:00,782 --> 00:01:03,182 Engine City Engineering speak 18 00:01:07,682 --> 00:01:09,482 as well to this matter. 19 00:01:09,482 --> 00:01:10,616 >> All right. 20 00:01:10,616 --> 00:01:11,749 >> Good morning, Your Honor. 21 00:01:11,749 --> 00:01:12,716 For the record, Mike Helton, 22 00:01:12,716 --> 00:01:13,882 City of Venice, code 23 00:01:13,882 --> 00:01:15,616 enforcement. I'm standing in 24 00:01:15,616 --> 00:01:17,783 for David Lipka, who's the 25 00:01:17,783 --> 00:01:18,850 primary officer on this case. 26 00:01:18,850 --> 00:01:20,170 You had issued an 27 00:01:20,170 --> 00:01:21,883 administrative order on JULY 28 00:01:21,883 --> 00:01:23,650 1st, giving him until AUGUST 29 00:01:23,650 --> 00:01:25,683 1st of this year to clean up 30 00:01:25,683 --> 00:01:27,483 the water retention ponds at 31 00:01:27,483 --> 00:01:29,617 the Hawks run development. I 32 00:01:29,617 --> 00:01:31,450 went out earlier this morning 33 00:01:31,450 --> 00:01:33,616 and they are still in 34 00:01:33,616 --> 00:01:36,160 noncompliance of your order. 35 00:01:36,882 --> 00:01:38,649 Noncompliance or paperwork was 36 00:01:38,649 --> 00:01:40,816 filed, sent out to them by 37 00:01:40,816 --> 00:01:42,316 email, certified mail and 38 00:01:42,316 --> 00:01:43,716 regular mail. So they have been 39 00:01:43,716 --> 00:01:45,149 notified that they're 40 00:01:45,149 --> 00:01:46,682 non-compliant. I have three 41 00:01:46,682 --> 00:01:50,282 pictures I could show you that 42 00:01:57,490 --> 00:01:57,315 I took this morning. Okay. 43 00:01:57,315 --> 00:01:59,490 [Laughter] 44 00:01:59,490 --> 00:02:00,282 This is just one of them. You 45 00:02:00,282 --> 00:02:04,482 can see that the area is still 46 00:02:07,881 --> 00:02:10,281 filled with cattails. The 47 00:02:12,747 --> 00:02:16,347 second area. And this is the 48 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:19,279 third area. And these are all 49 00:02:19,279 --> 00:02:20,413 the pictures I took this 50 00:02:20,413 --> 00:02:21,346 morning. I'd like to enter them 51 00:02:21,346 --> 00:02:22,946 into evidence. 52 00:02:22,946 --> 00:02:24,213 >> So admitted. 53 00:02:24,213 --> 00:02:26,513 >> At this point I have nothing 54 00:02:26,513 --> 00:02:27,347 further. I just would like to 55 00:02:27,347 --> 00:02:29,547 ask that, Your Honor. Find them 56 00:02:29,547 --> 00:02:32,280 in violation and start the fine 57 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,347 of $250 per day from AUGUST 1st. 58 00:02:33,347 --> 00:02:34,912 >> Very well. 59 00:02:34,912 --> 00:02:36,246 >> Okay. And just a few follow 60 00:02:36,246 --> 00:02:38,112 up questions. So we the city 61 00:02:38,112 --> 00:02:39,179 has attempted to communicate 62 00:02:39,179 --> 00:02:40,311 with the property owners in 63 00:02:40,311 --> 00:02:41,678 this matter, correct? That's 64 00:02:41,678 --> 00:02:42,711 correct. And we've heard 65 00:02:42,711 --> 00:02:45,710 nothing from them. There has 66 00:02:45,710 --> 00:02:47,244 been no reply. Okay. And this 67 00:02:47,244 --> 00:02:49,210 is not the first time that 68 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:51,310 Hawks run has been fined by 69 00:02:51,310 --> 00:02:52,443 this by the magistrate as well. 70 00:02:52,443 --> 00:02:53,910 Correct. That's correct. I 71 00:02:53,910 --> 00:02:56,110 believe this is actually the 72 00:02:56,110 --> 00:02:58,211 third. This would be the third 73 00:02:58,211 --> 00:02:59,377 time. Yes. Okay. I have nothing 74 00:02:59,377 --> 00:03:01,211 further for the city, but I do 75 00:03:01,211 --> 00:03:02,477 have city engineering just to 76 00:03:02,477 --> 00:03:04,277 kind of if Your Honor wants to 77 00:03:04,277 --> 00:03:05,210 hear more about in regards to. 78 00:03:05,210 --> 00:03:07,210 >> Your case. 79 00:03:16,942 --> 00:03:17,208 >> Okay, then I'll just. Kevin. 80 00:03:17,208 --> 00:03:18,342 [Laughter] 81 00:03:18,342 --> 00:03:19,341 If you could please introduce 82 00:03:19,341 --> 00:03:20,475 yourself to the court. 83 00:03:20,475 --> 00:03:21,508 >> Good morning, Your Honor. 84 00:03:21,508 --> 00:03:23,908 Good morning, Kevin Barrett, 85 00:03:24,740 --> 00:03:25,541 city engineer or city inspector? 86 00:03:25,541 --> 00:03:27,700 Stormwater. 87 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:28,474 >> And, sir, you've had an 88 00:03:28,474 --> 00:03:29,274 opportunity. You previously 89 00:03:29,274 --> 00:03:30,976 testified at the first hearing 90 00:03:30,976 --> 00:03:33,141 for this matter, correct? Yes. 91 00:03:33,141 --> 00:03:34,208 Okay. And you inspected that 92 00:03:34,208 --> 00:03:36,141 property at that time, correct? 93 00:03:36,141 --> 00:03:37,808 I did. Okay. And has there been 94 00:03:37,808 --> 00:03:38,608 any change to the city's 95 00:03:38,608 --> 00:03:40,207 previous testimony? Has there 96 00:03:40,207 --> 00:03:43,207 been any change since that? 97 00:03:43,573 --> 00:03:45,700 Nothing. Okay. And since 98 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:46,539 nothing has changed since the 99 00:03:46,539 --> 00:03:48,390 violation came into came into 100 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:49,706 was ordered, what are they 101 00:03:49,706 --> 00:03:50,872 going to what are the 102 00:03:50,872 --> 00:03:52,872 consequences and ramifications 103 00:03:53,306 --> 00:03:56,906 of this not being cleaned out? 104 00:03:56,906 --> 00:03:58,671 >> The higher higher overgrowth. 105 00:03:58,671 --> 00:04:01,671 Less water flow to the 106 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:03,539 retention area. My opinion. If 107 00:04:03,539 --> 00:04:04,805 it was done earlier, there's 108 00:04:04,805 --> 00:04:06,572 been a lot easier to do. 109 00:04:06,572 --> 00:04:08,805 >> So they. And this is going 110 00:04:08,805 --> 00:04:10,805 to affect stormwater retention. 111 00:04:10,805 --> 00:04:13,438 Correct. Is it going to back up 112 00:04:13,438 --> 00:04:14,704 into the hoa or the Coa area? 113 00:04:14,704 --> 00:04:16,604 The condo association. Excuse 114 00:04:16,604 --> 00:04:18,804 me. Yes. Okay. Is it going to 115 00:04:18,804 --> 00:04:19,970 back out onto public roads? 116 00:04:19,970 --> 00:04:22,370 >> Very well. Could. Yes. 117 00:04:22,403 --> 00:04:25,336 >> Okay. So this is causing a 118 00:04:25,336 --> 00:04:27,969 rainwater concern by not being 119 00:04:27,969 --> 00:04:30,300 remediated? Yes. Okay. And it's 120 00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:32,690 also going to be more difficult 121 00:04:32,690 --> 00:04:33,202 because we've had rain lately 122 00:04:33,202 --> 00:04:34,202 to actually remediate this 123 00:04:34,202 --> 00:04:35,202 issue than it was. 124 00:04:35,202 --> 00:04:36,537 >> That is correct. 125 00:04:36,537 --> 00:04:38,737 >> Okay. I have nothing further. 126 00:04:38,737 --> 00:04:40,737 >> All right. Thank you. Why 127 00:04:40,737 --> 00:04:42,269 are we not treating them as a 128 00:04:42,269 --> 00:04:42,469 repeat violator in terms of the 129 00:04:42,469 --> 00:04:44,469 fine? 130 00:04:44,635 --> 00:04:48,235 >> They have not been fined for 131 00:04:48,268 --> 00:04:50,668 this specific violation. They 132 00:04:51,102 --> 00:04:53,600 have. It's. Since this is 133 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,434 particular to stormwater issues, 134 00:04:55,434 --> 00:04:57,301 this is not an. As opposed to 135 00:04:57,301 --> 00:04:58,667 like unlawful accumulation. So 136 00:04:58,667 --> 00:05:00,933 we can only get them for 137 00:05:00,933 --> 00:05:01,933 repeats. If if if it was the 138 00:05:01,933 --> 00:05:03,100 same violation. 139 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:03,899 >> Yeah. You said there were 140 00:05:03,899 --> 00:05:05,133 three prior. 141 00:05:05,133 --> 00:05:07,000 >> Yes. The other the previous 142 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,990 one for just at least show you 143 00:05:09,990 --> 00:05:10,900 that they're not they have had 144 00:05:10,900 --> 00:05:12,467 run ins with the court before, 145 00:05:12,467 --> 00:05:14,333 but they we can't get them for 146 00:05:14,333 --> 00:05:15,300 a repeat, repeat violator 147 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:16,334 status. Otherwise we'd be 148 00:05:16,334 --> 00:05:17,967 asking for that. 149 00:05:17,967 --> 00:05:20,700 >> Okay. Very well. All right. 150 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:22,670 I'll close the hearing. Based 151 00:05:22,670 --> 00:05:24,267 on the sworn testimony and 152 00:05:24,267 --> 00:05:25,667 evidence presented, I find that 153 00:05:25,667 --> 00:05:27,832 respondent has not brought the 154 00:05:27,832 --> 00:05:29,666 property into compliance as 155 00:05:29,666 --> 00:05:31,432 previously ordered on JULY 1st, 156 00:05:31,432 --> 00:05:33,432 2026, for the violation of 157 00:05:33,432 --> 00:05:35,832 section 62, dash one and 158 00:05:36,132 --> 00:05:37,966 section 74-297 of the City Code 159 00:05:37,966 --> 00:05:40,132 of Ordinances. The find is 160 00:05:40,132 --> 00:05:42,660 hereby imposed in the amount of 161 00:05:42,660 --> 00:05:44,466 $250 per day beginning AUGUST 162 00:05:44,634 --> 00:05:46,367 1st, 2026 and terminating on 163 00:05:46,367 --> 00:05:47,967 the day the property is found 164 00:05:47,967 --> 00:05:49,400 to be in compliance by the Code 165 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,533 Enforcement Officer in 166 00:05:50,533 --> 00:05:52,000 determining the amount of the 167 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,100 fine. I have considered the 168 00:05:54,100 --> 00:05:55,534 gravity of the violation. Any 169 00:05:55,534 --> 00:05:57,670 actions taken by the violator 170 00:05:57,670 --> 00:05:58,467 to correct the violation, and 171 00:05:58,467 --> 00:06:00,467 any previous violations 172 00:06:01,333 --> 00:06:02,366 committed by the violator. A 173 00:06:02,366 --> 00:06:03,866 certified copy of this order 174 00:06:03,866 --> 00:06:05,299 shall be recorded in the public 175 00:06:05,299 --> 00:06:07,432 records of Sarasota County, 176 00:06:07,432 --> 00:06:08,532 Florida, and thereafter shall 177 00:06:08,532 --> 00:06:10,332 constitute a lien against the 178 00:06:10,332 --> 00:06:12,133 subject property and upon any 179 00:06:12,133 --> 00:06:13,966 other real or personal property 180 00:06:13,966 --> 00:06:16,670 owned by the respondent. And 181 00:06:16,670 --> 00:06:17,500 I'd like to comment that the 182 00:06:17,500 --> 00:06:21,100 that if it were possible, I 183 00:06:21,467 --> 00:06:22,900 would impose a $500 fine, 184 00:06:22,900 --> 00:06:25,800 because I know this is not the 185 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,201 first or second or third time 186 00:06:28,201 --> 00:06:29,267 that there's been an issue with 187 00:06:29,267 --> 00:06:31,234 Hawks run development. 188 00:06:31,234 --> 00:06:32,466 >> Thank you, Your Honor. 189 00:06:32,466 --> 00:06:36,660 >> All right. That brings us to 190 00:06:38,399 --> 00:06:39,499 the second matter. New business. 191 00:06:39,499 --> 00:06:40,932 Cebd26-00131. Scott. Tyler. 192 00:06:40,932 --> 00:06:41,966 Good. Is there anyone here on 193 00:06:41,966 --> 00:06:43,466 behalf of the respondent? 194 00:06:43,466 --> 00:06:45,866 >> Yes. Respondent is present. 195 00:06:45,999 --> 00:06:47,600 >> Okay. And has he signed? 196 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,766 >> Yes. I have a speaker card. 197 00:06:48,766 --> 00:06:50,667 >> All right. Then I would ask 198 00:06:50,667 --> 00:06:53,100 the city to present its case. 199 00:06:53,100 --> 00:06:55,100 >> Thank you. 200 00:06:55,267 --> 00:06:56,967 >> I stay here, right. 201 00:06:56,967 --> 00:07:00,434 >> For now. You can come up 202 00:07:00,434 --> 00:07:02,334 front. And then if you're going 203 00:07:02,334 --> 00:07:03,533 to speak, we'll ask you to go 204 00:07:03,533 --> 00:07:05,400 up there when it's your turn. 205 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,000 >> Oh, yeah. It's not a bad 206 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:09,933 thing. Okay. 207 00:07:09,933 --> 00:07:11,866 >> Good morning. 208 00:07:11,866 --> 00:07:14,330 >> Your Honor. Good morning. 209 00:07:14,330 --> 00:07:15,433 >> Okay. My name is Jose Luna. 210 00:07:15,433 --> 00:07:17,299 I'm employed by the city of 211 00:07:17,299 --> 00:07:18,700 Venice as a community resource 212 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:20,933 officer assigned to the Venice 213 00:07:20,933 --> 00:07:21,866 Police Department. My 214 00:07:21,866 --> 00:07:23,100 experience and qualifications 215 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:24,833 are on file with the City of 216 00:07:24,833 --> 00:07:26,833 Venice. Human Resource 217 00:07:28,670 --> 00:07:30,467 Department. This case occurred 218 00:07:31,734 --> 00:07:32,800 on. Occurred at 42 Pine Road, 219 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,234 which is located within the 220 00:07:34,234 --> 00:07:36,334 city limits. The owner on 221 00:07:36,334 --> 00:07:37,768 record is the city of Venice 222 00:07:37,768 --> 00:07:41,368 and it's known as a municipal 223 00:07:42,533 --> 00:07:45,533 home park. The contractor on 224 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:48,633 scene, MR. Westcott Tyler. Good. 225 00:07:48,633 --> 00:07:51,633 He resides at 4045 South Mark 226 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:53,299 drive, Sarasota. MAY 29th at 227 00:07:53,299 --> 00:07:55,299 approximately 930 in the 228 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,334 morning, I responded to 42 Pine 229 00:07:58,334 --> 00:08:00,500 Road on a complaint regarding 230 00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:02,500 working, working being 231 00:08:03,340 --> 00:08:04,500 conducted at 42 Pine Road while 232 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:07,500 the building permit was still 233 00:08:08,967 --> 00:08:11,334 in review status, I conducted 234 00:08:11,334 --> 00:08:13,766 an inspection and set date of 235 00:08:13,766 --> 00:08:15,933 the address and above and 236 00:08:15,933 --> 00:08:18,799 observed that drywall had been 237 00:08:18,799 --> 00:08:22,399 screwed and to the studs and 238 00:08:22,467 --> 00:08:24,599 and also been taped. And Scott 239 00:08:24,599 --> 00:08:27,533 had already been cited for 240 00:08:27,533 --> 00:08:30,533 working without a permit. At 241 00:08:31,801 --> 00:08:35,401 the same location on APRIL 22nd, 242 00:08:36,434 --> 00:08:37,900 2026, at the same property, and 243 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:41,500 he was advised that he needed 244 00:08:41,534 --> 00:08:43,301 to apply for a permit and and 245 00:08:43,301 --> 00:08:45,800 could not continue any work 246 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,330 until the permit was approved. 247 00:08:48,330 --> 00:08:50,133 A stop work order label was 248 00:08:50,133 --> 00:08:53,733 affixed to the property at this 249 00:08:55,933 --> 00:08:57,333 time. On MAY 29th. MR. Gu was 250 00:08:57,333 --> 00:08:58,433 subsequently cited for 251 00:08:58,433 --> 00:09:00,633 construction without a permit. 252 00:09:00,633 --> 00:09:03,633 Second offense, which is a 253 00:09:06,367 --> 00:09:08,535 violation of city code 88-2.2.1, 254 00:09:08,535 --> 00:09:11,535 and it's considered a class 255 00:09:11,734 --> 00:09:13,534 three with a penalty of $2,000. 256 00:09:13,534 --> 00:09:15,702 During inspection on MAY 29th, 257 00:09:15,702 --> 00:09:17,867 I took photos of the work being 258 00:09:17,867 --> 00:09:20,767 done at 42 Pine Road. These 259 00:09:20,767 --> 00:09:21,800 photos are fairly inaccurate. 260 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,200 Represents the unpermitted work 261 00:09:26,133 --> 00:09:27,934 I observed. And I have a 262 00:09:27,934 --> 00:09:29,366 PowerPoint that shows you the 263 00:09:29,366 --> 00:09:30,132 the work that was conducted. 264 00:09:30,132 --> 00:09:32,132 >> Okay, 265 00:09:32,299 --> 00:09:33,399 >> Okay, this. 266 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:34,598 >> There you go. 267 00:09:34,598 --> 00:09:36,967 >> That's a stop work order 268 00:09:36,967 --> 00:09:40,567 that was placed on APRIL 22nd, 269 00:09:41,267 --> 00:09:44,166 2026. And when I went there on 270 00:09:44,166 --> 00:09:45,466 the 29th, which is I seen this, 271 00:09:45,466 --> 00:09:47,799 this, this is the sheetrock 272 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:50,532 that's been placed behind the 273 00:09:50,532 --> 00:09:53,131 lanai area. See, it's been it's 274 00:09:53,131 --> 00:09:55,297 been hung, it's been taped. And 275 00:09:55,297 --> 00:09:57,464 the other other two pictures 276 00:09:57,464 --> 00:09:59,963 predicts it shows the same, you 277 00:09:59,963 --> 00:10:02,163 know, work being conducted, 278 00:10:02,163 --> 00:10:04,960 which is the next picture. 279 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:05,330 That's what you see the work 280 00:10:05,330 --> 00:10:06,463 being conducted on there. They 281 00:10:06,463 --> 00:10:07,629 had the plywood on the top 282 00:10:07,629 --> 00:10:10,629 there, not the plywood, I'm 283 00:10:10,797 --> 00:10:12,130 sorry, drywall, drywall. And 284 00:10:12,130 --> 00:10:13,263 this is also a corner there. 285 00:10:13,263 --> 00:10:16,263 We're working on where it's 286 00:10:16,898 --> 00:10:19,796 been, you know, hung, you know, 287 00:10:19,796 --> 00:10:21,229 and taped and ready for 288 00:10:21,229 --> 00:10:23,163 finishing. And the permit was 289 00:10:23,163 --> 00:10:25,495 still under review. It wasn't, 290 00:10:25,495 --> 00:10:26,695 you know, approved yet. You 291 00:10:26,695 --> 00:10:27,694 know, when this work was 292 00:10:27,694 --> 00:10:29,128 conducted. 293 00:10:29,128 --> 00:10:30,328 >> Okay, okay. 294 00:10:30,328 --> 00:10:32,280 >> The photos will be admitted 295 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:33,127 into evidence. 296 00:10:33,127 --> 00:10:35,127 >> There's another picture 297 00:10:36,327 --> 00:10:38,327 showing the same. 298 00:10:39,594 --> 00:10:41,594 >> Okay. 299 00:10:42,494 --> 00:10:45,494 >> So Officer Luna, again, just 300 00:10:45,694 --> 00:10:48,228 to clarify. So MR. Good was 301 00:10:48,228 --> 00:10:49,294 previously cited for contract 302 00:10:49,294 --> 00:10:50,393 construction contracting with 303 00:10:50,393 --> 00:10:52,793 the construction without a 304 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,593 permit on for 22 of this year. 305 00:10:53,593 --> 00:10:55,593 >> Yes. 306 00:10:56,127 --> 00:10:56,460 >> Okay. And was that fine paid? 307 00:10:56,460 --> 00:10:58,292 >> Yes. 308 00:10:58,292 --> 00:10:58,659 >> Okay. And it was at the same 309 00:10:58,659 --> 00:10:59,292 property. 310 00:10:59,292 --> 00:11:01,292 >> Yes. 311 00:11:01,526 --> 00:11:03,926 >> Okay. And then subsequently 312 00:11:05,126 --> 00:11:07,624 on 529 of this year, MR. Good 313 00:11:07,624 --> 00:11:09,458 was at the same property doing 314 00:11:09,458 --> 00:11:09,824 construction without a permit. 315 00:11:09,824 --> 00:11:10,891 >> Yes. 316 00:11:10,891 --> 00:11:13,291 >> Did you have any 317 00:11:14,158 --> 00:11:14,892 communication with MR. Good on 318 00:11:14,892 --> 00:11:15,558 529. 319 00:11:15,558 --> 00:11:17,358 >> Yes, I did. 320 00:11:17,358 --> 00:11:18,591 >> What was that communication. 321 00:11:18,591 --> 00:11:19,891 >> The communication was that, 322 00:11:19,891 --> 00:11:20,992 you know, you can actually got 323 00:11:20,992 --> 00:11:22,491 cited. That's that's 324 00:11:22,491 --> 00:11:24,591 communication I had with him at 325 00:11:24,591 --> 00:11:26,240 that time, at that date. 326 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:26,724 >> When you cited him. 327 00:11:26,724 --> 00:11:28,724 >> Yes. 328 00:11:28,724 --> 00:11:29,957 >> Did he did you what did you 329 00:11:29,957 --> 00:11:30,857 tell him when he when he cited 330 00:11:30,857 --> 00:11:32,723 him on 529. 331 00:11:32,723 --> 00:11:33,856 >> I advised him that the 332 00:11:33,856 --> 00:11:35,123 permits were still under review. 333 00:11:35,123 --> 00:11:36,722 They're not as the you know, 334 00:11:36,722 --> 00:11:38,689 the permit hasn't been approved 335 00:11:38,689 --> 00:11:40,422 yet, and that you. You know 336 00:11:40,422 --> 00:11:41,556 that no work could be done 337 00:11:41,556 --> 00:11:42,589 until the, you know, permits 338 00:11:42,589 --> 00:11:44,355 are approved. 339 00:11:44,355 --> 00:11:45,489 >> Okay. 340 00:11:45,489 --> 00:11:46,188 >> No further questions at this 341 00:11:46,188 --> 00:11:47,222 time. 342 00:11:47,222 --> 00:11:49,222 >> Thank you. 343 00:11:49,522 --> 00:11:51,189 >> MR. Good. You have an 344 00:11:51,189 --> 00:11:53,390 opportunity at this point to 345 00:11:53,390 --> 00:11:55,255 ask MR. Officer Luna, any 346 00:11:55,255 --> 00:11:56,622 questions that you MAY have 347 00:11:56,622 --> 00:11:57,422 before you present your own 348 00:11:57,422 --> 00:11:59,555 testimony? Do you have any 349 00:11:59,555 --> 00:12:00,655 questions of Officer Luna? 350 00:12:00,655 --> 00:12:01,655 >> No problem with code 351 00:12:01,655 --> 00:12:02,755 enforcement. I've always liked 352 00:12:02,755 --> 00:12:03,954 them. They've gone along with 353 00:12:03,954 --> 00:12:05,653 in this case. 354 00:12:05,653 --> 00:12:06,620 >> Well. So you you don't. Do 355 00:12:06,620 --> 00:12:07,786 you have any questions? 356 00:12:07,786 --> 00:12:08,530 >> No, I don't have any 357 00:12:08,530 --> 00:12:09,787 questions. 358 00:12:09,787 --> 00:12:10,887 >> Right. If you don't have any 359 00:12:10,887 --> 00:12:12,753 questions, then I'd ask Officer 360 00:12:12,753 --> 00:12:13,886 Luna to step down. Please step 361 00:12:13,886 --> 00:12:15,619 up there and you can present 362 00:12:15,619 --> 00:12:15,852 any testimony you wish to 363 00:12:15,852 --> 00:12:16,853 present. 364 00:12:16,853 --> 00:12:18,619 >> Actually, Your Honor, I was 365 00:12:18,619 --> 00:12:19,752 just going to call Derek 366 00:12:19,752 --> 00:12:19,952 Applegate. Oh. I'm sorry. It's 367 00:12:19,952 --> 00:12:21,787 okay. 368 00:12:21,787 --> 00:12:25,387 >> Okay, hold on just a second. 369 00:12:35,552 --> 00:12:37,952 MR. MR. Good. Okay. 370 00:12:41,284 --> 00:12:42,484 >> Good morning. Thank you. 371 00:12:42,484 --> 00:12:44,284 >> Sir. Could you, sir, could 372 00:12:44,284 --> 00:12:44,584 you please state your name for 373 00:12:44,584 --> 00:12:45,550 the record? 374 00:12:45,550 --> 00:12:46,170 >> Good morning, Derek 375 00:12:46,170 --> 00:12:47,450 Applegate. 376 00:12:47,450 --> 00:12:48,483 >> And what is your role with 377 00:12:48,483 --> 00:12:50,283 the city of Venice? 378 00:12:50,283 --> 00:12:51,283 >> I am the building official 379 00:12:51,283 --> 00:12:52,483 for the building department. 380 00:12:52,483 --> 00:12:54,284 >> Okay. And have you had an 381 00:12:54,284 --> 00:12:56,718 opportunity to look at these 382 00:12:56,718 --> 00:12:58,551 photos? I have, okay. And would 383 00:12:58,551 --> 00:12:59,651 this work have required a 384 00:12:59,651 --> 00:13:01,784 approved building permit in 385 00:13:01,784 --> 00:13:03,851 order to to occur? That is 386 00:13:03,851 --> 00:13:05,418 correct. What's what's the work 387 00:13:05,418 --> 00:13:07,551 that would have made it 388 00:13:07,551 --> 00:13:08,684 required to get a permit? 389 00:13:08,684 --> 00:13:10,510 >> It appears that he's in 390 00:13:10,510 --> 00:13:11,950 closing a non habitable space 391 00:13:11,950 --> 00:13:13,683 and carry to habitable space 392 00:13:13,683 --> 00:13:15,950 with the insulation board. 393 00:13:15,950 --> 00:13:17,650 >> Okay. So that work would not 394 00:13:17,650 --> 00:13:20,830 have been able to be completed 395 00:13:20,830 --> 00:13:21,283 until conducted until a permit 396 00:13:21,283 --> 00:13:22,983 was approved by the city of 397 00:13:22,983 --> 00:13:23,883 Venice. Correct. Okay. Nothing 398 00:13:23,883 --> 00:13:25,950 further at this time. 399 00:13:25,950 --> 00:13:27,500 >> So the issue is not the 400 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:28,784 installation of the drywall per 401 00:13:28,784 --> 00:13:30,218 se, but the enclosure of 402 00:13:30,218 --> 00:13:32,551 something that was previously 403 00:13:32,551 --> 00:13:33,851 not enclosed. Or maybe they're 404 00:13:33,851 --> 00:13:35,840 one and the same. 405 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:36,384 >> I would consider them one 406 00:13:36,384 --> 00:13:38,151 and the same. Your honor, the 407 00:13:38,151 --> 00:13:39,151 working without a permit is a 408 00:13:39,151 --> 00:13:41,180 standalone violation. And then 409 00:13:41,180 --> 00:13:42,418 in closing, in a space that is 410 00:13:42,418 --> 00:13:43,318 going from a non habitable to a 411 00:13:43,318 --> 00:13:44,483 habitable would require not 412 00:13:44,483 --> 00:13:46,117 only the building department, 413 00:13:46,117 --> 00:13:48,217 but planning and zoning to, to 414 00:13:48,217 --> 00:13:49,750 make sure that we don't violate 415 00:13:49,750 --> 00:13:52,983 any of the land use laws. 416 00:13:52,983 --> 00:13:53,618 >> Okay. Thank you. Is there 417 00:13:53,618 --> 00:13:54,617 anything else? 418 00:13:54,617 --> 00:13:55,750 >> No, Your Honor. 419 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:57,250 >> MR. Goodhart, do you have 420 00:13:57,250 --> 00:13:57,950 any questions of MR. Applegate? 421 00:13:57,950 --> 00:13:59,783 >> No, I don't. 422 00:13:59,783 --> 00:14:01,618 >> All right. So then would you 423 00:14:01,618 --> 00:14:05,218 please come up and present your 424 00:14:11,985 --> 00:14:12,718 testimony? State your name, 425 00:14:12,718 --> 00:14:14,718 please. 426 00:14:17,517 --> 00:14:20,983 >> My name is Scott. Good. Yes. 427 00:14:20,983 --> 00:14:23,183 We were cited for starting that 428 00:14:23,183 --> 00:14:24,950 job there without a permit. I 429 00:14:24,950 --> 00:14:26,884 won't lie about that or 430 00:14:26,884 --> 00:14:28,450 disclose that we weren't trying 431 00:14:28,450 --> 00:14:29,717 to hide the job either, because 432 00:14:29,717 --> 00:14:31,817 it's on a main road. Like. Like 433 00:14:31,817 --> 00:14:33,417 if you drive out here on Venice 434 00:14:33,417 --> 00:14:34,584 Ave, you would see me working 435 00:14:34,584 --> 00:14:36,418 there. So we weren't trying to 436 00:14:36,418 --> 00:14:37,485 hide it. I was waiting for 437 00:14:37,485 --> 00:14:39,418 engineer, which was behind so 438 00:14:39,418 --> 00:14:40,785 we could hand it in. We got 439 00:14:40,785 --> 00:14:42,951 cited there, which was the 440 00:14:42,951 --> 00:14:44,818 police. It was a it was a nasty 441 00:14:44,818 --> 00:14:46,452 nightmare because of an hoa guy 442 00:14:46,452 --> 00:14:49,850 that didn't know his rules or 443 00:14:49,850 --> 00:14:51,584 regulations on how to respond. 444 00:14:51,584 --> 00:14:53,384 The the the code enforcement 445 00:14:53,384 --> 00:14:56,384 came very polite, handled the 446 00:14:56,950 --> 00:14:58,751 thing really nice, gave me a 447 00:14:58,751 --> 00:15:01,151 citation which wasn't mine. 448 00:15:01,684 --> 00:15:04,840 It's actually the homeowner's. 449 00:15:04,151 --> 00:15:05,950 And everybody left. And then 450 00:15:05,950 --> 00:15:07,851 Jose calls me a few weeks later 451 00:15:07,851 --> 00:15:08,985 and he says on the phone, he 452 00:15:08,985 --> 00:15:11,180 goes, how's the permit coming? 453 00:15:11,180 --> 00:15:12,785 And I said, the permit is the 454 00:15:12,785 --> 00:15:14,285 the building department is 455 00:15:14,285 --> 00:15:16,418 ready, but not the zoning. I'm 456 00:15:16,418 --> 00:15:17,651 waiting on zoning. He goes, 457 00:15:17,651 --> 00:15:19,485 okay. I said, I got a problem 458 00:15:19,485 --> 00:15:20,751 though. I said, the drywall you 459 00:15:20,751 --> 00:15:22,885 saw hung. They didn't tell you 460 00:15:22,885 --> 00:15:24,784 what was behind it. It was all 461 00:15:24,784 --> 00:15:26,550 open, all open attic space and 462 00:15:26,550 --> 00:15:29,117 wall space into the living area 463 00:15:29,117 --> 00:15:30,684 of the ladies trailer. And rats 464 00:15:30,684 --> 00:15:32,284 were getting in there and birds 465 00:15:32,284 --> 00:15:34,117 and the raccoon was cited. And 466 00:15:34,117 --> 00:15:35,918 I said, can I, can I cover that 467 00:15:35,918 --> 00:15:37,850 up? And he says, yeah, you can 468 00:15:37,850 --> 00:15:39,170 cover that up to keep the birds 469 00:15:39,170 --> 00:15:41,585 and stuff from getting in there. 470 00:15:41,585 --> 00:15:43,510 So I offer his permission, 471 00:15:43,510 --> 00:15:44,252 waiting on the permit to be 472 00:15:44,252 --> 00:15:46,319 issued. I went and covered it 473 00:15:46,319 --> 00:15:48,785 up. I used drywall, I covered 474 00:15:48,785 --> 00:15:51,180 it all up. So no animal or no 475 00:15:51,180 --> 00:15:54,618 anything could get in there. It 476 00:15:54,852 --> 00:15:57,150 was good. Hoa guy shows up, 477 00:15:57,150 --> 00:15:58,817 starts screaming and yelling, 478 00:15:58,817 --> 00:16:00,684 threatening me, and calls the 479 00:16:00,684 --> 00:16:02,817 cops again and calls code 480 00:16:02,817 --> 00:16:04,651 enforcement and code 481 00:16:04,651 --> 00:16:06,151 enforcement tells the hoa guy 482 00:16:06,151 --> 00:16:09,751 that we never got permission to 483 00:16:10,510 --> 00:16:11,551 do that. We did. My business 484 00:16:11,551 --> 00:16:12,751 isn't with the hoa guy. My 485 00:16:12,751 --> 00:16:13,985 business is with the homeowner 486 00:16:13,985 --> 00:16:15,585 and their business is with the 487 00:16:15,585 --> 00:16:16,785 homeowner, not me. He doesn't 488 00:16:16,785 --> 00:16:17,852 sign my check or nothing, so 489 00:16:17,852 --> 00:16:19,685 that's what I'm saying. He 490 00:16:19,685 --> 00:16:20,852 doesn't have a right to call 491 00:16:20,852 --> 00:16:22,685 the cops, have me arrested, do 492 00:16:22,685 --> 00:16:24,118 all this. Jose shows up with 493 00:16:24,118 --> 00:16:25,585 his guy. He rides with his 494 00:16:25,585 --> 00:16:26,752 partner, good people, goes in 495 00:16:26,752 --> 00:16:28,652 there, looks at all the work 496 00:16:28,652 --> 00:16:29,917 and says, hey, he covered it up, 497 00:16:29,917 --> 00:16:31,951 looks nice, comes back out. He 498 00:16:31,951 --> 00:16:34,884 says, I don't have a problem. 499 00:16:34,884 --> 00:16:36,551 He calls his boss. His boss 500 00:16:36,551 --> 00:16:38,551 says it's a second offense. You 501 00:16:38,551 --> 00:16:41,384 need to cite him and tells Jose, 502 00:16:41,384 --> 00:16:43,184 why didn't he use plastic or a 503 00:16:43,184 --> 00:16:44,651 tarp? His boss has no opinion 504 00:16:44,651 --> 00:16:46,551 on what I can use or couldn't 505 00:16:46,551 --> 00:16:47,652 use, and nobody gave me a list 506 00:16:47,652 --> 00:16:49,518 of materials that I could use 507 00:16:49,518 --> 00:16:51,152 or couldn't use to cover all 508 00:16:51,152 --> 00:16:53,552 those holes up from the animals 509 00:16:53,552 --> 00:16:55,452 getting into her home. Now, 510 00:16:55,452 --> 00:16:57,218 that's when I said, you give me 511 00:16:57,218 --> 00:16:58,619 a fine because you gave me 512 00:16:58,619 --> 00:17:00,185 permission. He says, I gotta do 513 00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:02,520 what I gotta do because it's my 514 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:03,217 boss. I didn't argue with him. 515 00:17:03,217 --> 00:17:05,510 He's not the problem. His boss 516 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:06,551 was the problem. So I'm sitting 517 00:17:06,551 --> 00:17:08,351 in here today with a $2,000 518 00:17:08,351 --> 00:17:10,885 fine. The permit was issued the 519 00:17:10,885 --> 00:17:12,651 next day after that happened, 520 00:17:12,651 --> 00:17:14,510 and we resumed work a few days 521 00:17:14,510 --> 00:17:15,251 later on the rest of the 522 00:17:15,251 --> 00:17:17,510 project, and it is finished. I 523 00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:18,851 just need to call in for 524 00:17:18,851 --> 00:17:20,152 inspection, but that's the 525 00:17:20,152 --> 00:17:21,819 permission. I got to cover it 526 00:17:21,819 --> 00:17:24,918 up. Nobody told me what product 527 00:17:24,918 --> 00:17:26,385 I could use or not use, and 528 00:17:26,385 --> 00:17:27,652 that's why I'm upset, because I 529 00:17:27,652 --> 00:17:28,918 did have permission because he 530 00:17:28,918 --> 00:17:30,352 called me on the phone and he 531 00:17:30,352 --> 00:17:31,718 said, hey, because they 532 00:17:31,718 --> 00:17:32,718 communicate with this, the only 533 00:17:32,718 --> 00:17:33,952 code enforcement department in 534 00:17:33,952 --> 00:17:35,718 the state of Florida will 535 00:17:35,718 --> 00:17:36,617 communicate with you on your 536 00:17:36,617 --> 00:17:38,617 getting your permit or getting 537 00:17:38,617 --> 00:17:40,520 your information to solve your 538 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,617 problem. Most of them just keep 539 00:17:42,617 --> 00:17:43,651 slapping fines on you. And 540 00:17:43,651 --> 00:17:45,351 that's, that's where I'm at. 541 00:17:45,351 --> 00:17:46,584 That's why I don't I'm not mad 542 00:17:46,584 --> 00:17:47,551 at anybody. It's just there's a 543 00:17:47,551 --> 00:17:49,951 communication between him and 544 00:17:50,117 --> 00:17:51,510 his boss to what product I 545 00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:53,152 should have used or shouldn't 546 00:17:53,152 --> 00:17:54,852 have used. And I used drywall 547 00:17:54,852 --> 00:17:56,652 and I used the moisture barrier 548 00:17:56,652 --> 00:17:58,252 drywall so that until I got a 549 00:17:58,252 --> 00:17:59,852 chance to cover that room up, 550 00:17:59,852 --> 00:18:01,352 any rain or any water or any 551 00:18:01,352 --> 00:18:02,418 major moisture got in there, it 552 00:18:02,418 --> 00:18:04,118 wasn't going to ruin the 553 00:18:04,118 --> 00:18:05,952 drywall. 554 00:18:05,952 --> 00:18:07,952 >> Okay. 555 00:18:10,651 --> 00:18:12,151 >> MR. Lewis, any questions? 556 00:18:12,151 --> 00:18:13,884 >> Did you screw the drywall 557 00:18:13,884 --> 00:18:15,884 into the property? 558 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:18,251 >> We put a two by four studs 559 00:18:18,251 --> 00:18:19,717 behind it. We you don't want to 560 00:18:19,717 --> 00:18:23,317 take screws and screw it into 561 00:18:23,551 --> 00:18:24,684 the trailer. And I'll have to 562 00:18:24,684 --> 00:18:26,285 say, because of insurance 563 00:18:26,285 --> 00:18:27,585 reasons, it becomes a nightmare 564 00:18:27,585 --> 00:18:28,485 on what can be attached and 565 00:18:28,485 --> 00:18:30,885 what can't be attached. 566 00:18:31,185 --> 00:18:33,585 >> So you use nails. 567 00:18:33,718 --> 00:18:34,819 >> We use 80% of that job with 568 00:18:34,819 --> 00:18:35,552 screws and some nails. 569 00:18:35,552 --> 00:18:36,918 >> Okay. 570 00:18:36,918 --> 00:18:38,919 >> This is an aluminum. 571 00:18:38,919 --> 00:18:40,850 >> So did you put you put up 572 00:18:40,850 --> 00:18:41,985 you put up drywall, correct. 573 00:18:41,985 --> 00:18:42,784 >> Yeah. We used the screws and 574 00:18:42,784 --> 00:18:44,151 drywall to the. 575 00:18:44,151 --> 00:18:44,884 >> Study that requires permit. 576 00:18:44,884 --> 00:18:46,284 Correct. 577 00:18:46,284 --> 00:18:47,384 >> There was already a permit 578 00:18:47,384 --> 00:18:49,184 waiting on it. 579 00:18:49,184 --> 00:18:49,917 >> Did you have an approved an 580 00:18:49,917 --> 00:18:51,551 approved permit? 581 00:18:51,551 --> 00:18:52,751 >> No. And I don't need a 582 00:18:52,751 --> 00:18:54,217 permit for that. I don't know 583 00:18:54,217 --> 00:18:56,170 why the building official said 584 00:18:56,170 --> 00:18:57,817 that because the state law, 585 00:18:57,817 --> 00:19:00,520 each county, municipality and 586 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,850 city forces the law the way 587 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:02,486 they want to force it, which is 588 00:19:02,486 --> 00:19:03,985 good. 589 00:19:03,985 --> 00:19:05,318 >> Do you disagree with the 590 00:19:05,318 --> 00:19:05,719 building official for the city 591 00:19:05,719 --> 00:19:07,385 of Venice? 592 00:19:07,385 --> 00:19:09,718 >> Yes, because it was going to 593 00:19:09,718 --> 00:19:10,919 get inspected anyways when the 594 00:19:10,919 --> 00:19:12,252 permit was issued. So that's 595 00:19:12,252 --> 00:19:13,318 why we put the drywall up 596 00:19:13,318 --> 00:19:15,219 instead of a tarp. I still 597 00:19:15,219 --> 00:19:16,418 would have had to put two by 598 00:19:16,418 --> 00:19:18,217 fours and everything in there 599 00:19:18,217 --> 00:19:19,418 for the tarp to hold it, to 600 00:19:19,418 --> 00:19:20,840 keep it from blowing around 601 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:21,318 everywhere. 602 00:19:21,318 --> 00:19:22,251 >> You said when the permit is 603 00:19:22,251 --> 00:19:22,484 issued, correct? 604 00:19:22,484 --> 00:19:24,284 >> Yes. 605 00:19:24,284 --> 00:19:24,451 >> So the permit was not issued 606 00:19:24,451 --> 00:19:26,251 yet. 607 00:19:26,251 --> 00:19:28,151 >> It was issued the next day. 608 00:19:28,151 --> 00:19:29,840 >> But not the day. Were you 609 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:30,351 working on it? 610 00:19:30,351 --> 00:19:31,384 >> No, but I had permission 611 00:19:31,384 --> 00:19:32,251 from was code enforcement. 612 00:19:32,251 --> 00:19:33,352 >> My question. 613 00:19:33,352 --> 00:19:35,185 >> Was the permit issued? 614 00:19:35,185 --> 00:19:35,419 >> No, it was not issued yet. 615 00:19:35,419 --> 00:19:37,219 >> Okay. 616 00:19:37,219 --> 00:19:37,485 >> So you were working without 617 00:19:37,485 --> 00:19:39,860 a permit. 618 00:19:39,860 --> 00:19:40,285 >> On the drywall, only. 619 00:19:40,285 --> 00:19:41,719 >> That required a permit? 620 00:19:41,719 --> 00:19:42,819 >> Not necessarily. 621 00:19:42,819 --> 00:19:43,886 >> Did the city require a 622 00:19:43,886 --> 00:19:44,985 permit? 623 00:19:44,985 --> 00:19:46,152 >> Not necessarily. 624 00:19:46,152 --> 00:19:46,452 >> Did the city require a 625 00:19:46,452 --> 00:19:48,452 permit? 626 00:19:48,652 --> 00:19:49,818 >> Not necessarily. 627 00:19:49,818 --> 00:19:50,884 >> Did the building official 628 00:19:50,884 --> 00:19:51,751 say you needed a permit for 629 00:19:51,751 --> 00:19:52,884 that work. 630 00:19:52,884 --> 00:19:53,884 >> Because he's the building 631 00:19:53,884 --> 00:19:55,718 official, he's going to say 632 00:19:55,718 --> 00:19:56,784 what he knows, and we're the 633 00:19:56,784 --> 00:19:57,951 contractors. We're going to say 634 00:19:57,951 --> 00:19:58,651 what we know. 635 00:19:58,651 --> 00:19:59,718 >> Okay. 636 00:19:59,718 --> 00:20:00,884 >> I got nothing further at 637 00:20:00,884 --> 00:20:01,651 this time for this witness, 638 00:20:01,651 --> 00:20:02,251 Your Honor. 639 00:20:02,251 --> 00:20:03,651 >> Okay. 640 00:20:03,651 --> 00:20:05,485 >> MR. Good, is there anything 641 00:20:05,485 --> 00:20:06,952 that you'd like to add after 642 00:20:06,952 --> 00:20:08,385 Attorney Lewis has asked you 643 00:20:08,385 --> 00:20:09,419 some questions? 644 00:20:09,419 --> 00:20:09,819 >> MR. Lewis? 645 00:20:09,819 --> 00:20:10,619 >> He's the. 646 00:20:10,619 --> 00:20:12,485 >> MR. Lewis. 647 00:20:12,485 --> 00:20:13,685 >> You can ask me anything he 648 00:20:13,685 --> 00:20:15,487 wants. I'm not dismayed about 649 00:20:15,487 --> 00:20:16,586 anybody here. I just know that 650 00:20:16,586 --> 00:20:17,752 I have permission to do 651 00:20:17,752 --> 00:20:18,652 something. And I did it. 652 00:20:18,652 --> 00:20:20,519 >> All right. 653 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:20,752 >> Thank you. You MAY step down. 654 00:20:20,752 --> 00:20:22,518 >> Okay. 655 00:20:22,518 --> 00:20:24,918 >> I'll call Officer Luna as 656 00:20:24,918 --> 00:20:26,918 rebuttal. Your honor. 657 00:20:34,318 --> 00:20:37,184 >> I was hoping you would. 658 00:20:37,184 --> 00:20:40,184 >> Officer Luna, did you give 659 00:20:40,419 --> 00:20:40,752 MR. Good permission to install 660 00:20:40,752 --> 00:20:42,286 drywall? 661 00:20:42,286 --> 00:20:43,352 >> No, I didn't. 662 00:20:43,352 --> 00:20:44,452 >> Do you remember any 663 00:20:44,452 --> 00:20:45,152 conversations you had with MR. 664 00:20:45,152 --> 00:20:46,552 Gum? 665 00:20:46,552 --> 00:20:48,386 >> That was not that day. That 666 00:20:48,386 --> 00:20:50,285 was maybe a week or two prior 667 00:20:50,285 --> 00:20:51,519 to that. When we do our follow 668 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:53,385 ups, I might say you can cover 669 00:20:53,385 --> 00:20:54,519 it up from the elements, from 670 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,284 rain, stuff like that. We just 671 00:20:56,284 --> 00:20:57,418 pretty much just hard plastic 672 00:20:57,418 --> 00:20:59,284 or something to keep it from 673 00:20:59,284 --> 00:21:00,384 the rain for coming in there. 674 00:21:00,384 --> 00:21:01,384 And he was complaining about 675 00:21:01,384 --> 00:21:03,285 squirrels or something. Yeah, 676 00:21:03,285 --> 00:21:04,284 you can cover it up and not 677 00:21:04,284 --> 00:21:05,618 have permanent coverage. It's 678 00:21:05,618 --> 00:21:07,718 like, you know, Tarp or plastic. 679 00:21:07,718 --> 00:21:08,985 That's it until the till the 680 00:21:08,985 --> 00:21:10,851 permit is issued. 681 00:21:10,851 --> 00:21:12,852 >> But you never told them that. 682 00:21:12,852 --> 00:21:14,252 He and I want to make sure my 683 00:21:14,252 --> 00:21:16,553 timeline is correct on this one. 684 00:21:16,553 --> 00:21:18,452 So you told them that you could 685 00:21:18,452 --> 00:21:20,352 you told MR. Good that you he 686 00:21:20,352 --> 00:21:22,552 could cover the materials up. 687 00:21:22,552 --> 00:21:22,985 >> No. Yes. From the from the 688 00:21:22,985 --> 00:21:24,352 elements. 689 00:21:24,352 --> 00:21:24,719 >> To cover what up from the 690 00:21:24,719 --> 00:21:26,419 elements. 691 00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:27,485 >> The work that he was saying 692 00:21:27,485 --> 00:21:29,284 he was complaining about that 693 00:21:29,284 --> 00:21:30,418 it was water getting in there 694 00:21:30,418 --> 00:21:31,584 and you know, squirrels getting 695 00:21:31,584 --> 00:21:33,351 in there. I said, you cannot 696 00:21:33,351 --> 00:21:34,451 cover it up permanently, not to 697 00:21:34,451 --> 00:21:36,284 throw that drywall, but just, 698 00:21:36,284 --> 00:21:37,284 you know, tarp it up or 699 00:21:37,284 --> 00:21:38,751 something until permits ready. 700 00:21:38,751 --> 00:21:40,484 >> And do you when was that? 701 00:21:40,484 --> 00:21:42,451 >> I'm not sure. It was one of 702 00:21:42,451 --> 00:21:44,285 my follow ups. It was probably 703 00:21:44,285 --> 00:21:44,484 about a week or two prior to 704 00:21:44,484 --> 00:21:46,419 that. 705 00:21:46,419 --> 00:21:46,619 >> Was it a week, a week or two 706 00:21:46,619 --> 00:21:47,452 prior. 707 00:21:47,452 --> 00:21:48,285 >> To that? 708 00:21:48,285 --> 00:21:49,519 >> Yeah. 709 00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:51,419 >> Well, no. When you say prior 710 00:21:51,419 --> 00:21:51,719 to that, prior to you citing 711 00:21:51,719 --> 00:21:53,320 citing the. 712 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,285 >> On MAY 29th. Yes. 713 00:21:55,285 --> 00:21:56,752 >> Okay. So a week or two prior 714 00:21:56,752 --> 00:21:57,520 to you a week prior to the 715 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,685 certification, the site you 716 00:21:59,685 --> 00:22:00,919 issuing the citation? Yes. Hold 717 00:22:00,919 --> 00:22:03,451 on. Let me finish the question 718 00:22:03,451 --> 00:22:06,451 first. You advised MR. Good 719 00:22:06,851 --> 00:22:07,918 that he could cover up from the 720 00:22:07,918 --> 00:22:08,618 elements, correct? 721 00:22:08,618 --> 00:22:10,180 >> Yes. 722 00:22:10,180 --> 00:22:10,618 >> The the the area that was 723 00:22:10,618 --> 00:22:11,785 open. 724 00:22:11,785 --> 00:22:13,785 >> Yes. 725 00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:16,551 >> When you told him that he 726 00:22:16,551 --> 00:22:17,984 could cover it up, did you tell 727 00:22:17,984 --> 00:22:19,452 him did you specify what he 728 00:22:19,452 --> 00:22:21,852 could, what that was? 729 00:22:22,285 --> 00:22:24,485 >> I didn't specify it, but 730 00:22:24,485 --> 00:22:26,285 pretty much, you know, it was 731 00:22:26,285 --> 00:22:27,685 you cover something up with 732 00:22:27,685 --> 00:22:29,219 plastic, you know, until the 733 00:22:29,219 --> 00:22:30,452 permit is ready. 734 00:22:30,452 --> 00:22:32,190 >> Did you ever tell him that 735 00:22:32,190 --> 00:22:33,319 he could install drywall? 736 00:22:33,319 --> 00:22:35,218 >> No, I never did that. 737 00:22:35,218 --> 00:22:36,418 >> Did you ever tell him that 738 00:22:36,418 --> 00:22:37,384 he could use nails and screws 739 00:22:37,384 --> 00:22:38,118 to install drywall? 740 00:22:38,118 --> 00:22:40,118 >> No. 741 00:22:40,318 --> 00:22:42,840 >> Okay. Nothing further. 742 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,180 >> I do have some questions. 743 00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:46,518 MR. Good testified that the two 744 00:22:46,518 --> 00:22:48,451 of you had a conversation at 745 00:22:48,451 --> 00:22:50,418 the time, or around the time 746 00:22:50,418 --> 00:22:51,952 that you were going to site him, 747 00:22:51,952 --> 00:22:53,552 and and that you said you're 748 00:22:53,552 --> 00:22:55,419 only doing it because your boss 749 00:22:55,419 --> 00:22:55,652 told you to do that. Is that 750 00:22:55,652 --> 00:22:57,219 correct? 751 00:22:57,219 --> 00:22:59,752 >> No. What happened was, I, 752 00:22:59,752 --> 00:23:02,952 I'm not a building official. I 753 00:23:02,952 --> 00:23:04,586 can't say what is permitted. 754 00:23:04,586 --> 00:23:06,919 Not permitted. So what happened 755 00:23:06,919 --> 00:23:08,851 was my supervisor, the pictures 756 00:23:08,851 --> 00:23:11,384 that I took, I sent it, I sent 757 00:23:11,384 --> 00:23:13,384 it to my supervisor, and then 758 00:23:13,384 --> 00:23:14,618 he did what he had to do. And 759 00:23:14,618 --> 00:23:16,718 he got back to me and said, 760 00:23:16,718 --> 00:23:19,218 cite him that he, I guess he 761 00:23:19,218 --> 00:23:20,318 made his he, he talked to the 762 00:23:20,318 --> 00:23:22,218 building official and he's the 763 00:23:22,218 --> 00:23:23,851 one. But I didn't talk to the 764 00:23:23,851 --> 00:23:26,851 building official. You know, my 765 00:23:27,252 --> 00:23:28,652 boss, my supervisor contacted 766 00:23:28,652 --> 00:23:30,320 the building official and then 767 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,819 my supervisor told me once he 768 00:23:31,819 --> 00:23:35,352 seen the pictures, he said, yes, 769 00:23:35,352 --> 00:23:36,886 this item that's not permitted. 770 00:23:36,886 --> 00:23:40,486 >> Who from the city would have 771 00:23:40,786 --> 00:23:42,585 the authority to authorize MR. 772 00:23:42,585 --> 00:23:45,151 Good to put drywall up before 773 00:23:45,151 --> 00:23:45,618 he had a permit. 774 00:23:45,618 --> 00:23:46,318 >> Building official? 775 00:23:46,318 --> 00:23:48,152 >> Not you. 776 00:23:48,152 --> 00:23:48,385 >> Know, I'm not I'm only 777 00:23:48,385 --> 00:23:49,385 quoting. 778 00:23:49,385 --> 00:23:50,151 >> Okay. I have no other 779 00:23:50,151 --> 00:23:50,518 questions. 780 00:23:50,518 --> 00:23:51,951 >> Okay. 781 00:23:51,951 --> 00:23:53,685 >> Nothing further, Your Honor. 782 00:23:53,685 --> 00:23:56,251 >> Do you have any questions of 783 00:23:56,251 --> 00:23:56,585 of Officer Luna? MR. Good. 784 00:23:56,585 --> 00:23:58,352 >> Yes. 785 00:23:58,352 --> 00:23:59,252 >> Okay. Go ahead and ask them. 786 00:23:59,252 --> 00:24:01,252 >> Hold on. 787 00:24:01,253 --> 00:24:02,419 >> Do we have to come up? Yeah. 788 00:24:02,419 --> 00:24:04,252 >> I need to give him. 789 00:24:04,252 --> 00:24:05,419 >> a microphone. Yeah. He was 790 00:24:05,419 --> 00:24:05,620 acting on what he said, but 791 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:07,620 like. 792 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,720 >> Hold on please, sir. Hold on. 793 00:24:12,486 --> 00:24:13,919 Stay right here. 794 00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:15,318 >> He's accurate on what he 795 00:24:15,318 --> 00:24:16,452 said. And like the lawyer, 796 00:24:16,452 --> 00:24:17,118 you're the lawyer. 797 00:24:17,118 --> 00:24:18,951 >> Yes. 798 00:24:18,951 --> 00:24:20,318 >> Asking the questions. But 799 00:24:20,318 --> 00:24:23,251 nobody gave me permission to 800 00:24:23,251 --> 00:24:25,651 use drywall, tarp, plastic, 801 00:24:26,218 --> 00:24:27,985 wood, vinyl, aluminum to put 802 00:24:27,985 --> 00:24:29,818 the product up to cover the 803 00:24:29,818 --> 00:24:30,818 holes and the essentials for 804 00:24:30,818 --> 00:24:33,686 the animals in the rain. 805 00:24:33,686 --> 00:24:35,853 Getting in. Nobody gave me what 806 00:24:35,853 --> 00:24:37,986 specific item I used. I used 807 00:24:37,986 --> 00:24:40,953 the item best thought for the 808 00:24:40,953 --> 00:24:43,520 room itself. He did his job. He 809 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,452 gave me permission to do it. 810 00:24:44,452 --> 00:24:46,286 Okay, but nobody gave me 811 00:24:46,286 --> 00:24:46,652 permission on which product to 812 00:24:46,652 --> 00:24:48,485 use. 813 00:24:48,485 --> 00:24:49,918 >> Why didn't you ask me? 814 00:24:49,918 --> 00:24:50,984 >> After 25 years in this 815 00:24:50,984 --> 00:24:52,785 business, you pretty much know 816 00:24:52,785 --> 00:24:56,180 what you're going to use. And 817 00:24:56,180 --> 00:24:57,850 why would I ask MR. Jose? He 818 00:24:57,850 --> 00:24:58,685 works for the code enforcement. 819 00:24:58,685 --> 00:24:59,918 What product I can and can't 820 00:24:59,918 --> 00:25:01,418 use to cover up that. 821 00:25:01,418 --> 00:25:04,418 >> So why didn't you contact 822 00:25:05,352 --> 00:25:07,353 MR. Applegate and ask him? 823 00:25:07,353 --> 00:25:08,986 >> To get a hold of a building 824 00:25:08,986 --> 00:25:10,686 official during the day to have 825 00:25:10,686 --> 00:25:12,586 him pick up the phone? It's not 826 00:25:12,586 --> 00:25:14,530 going to happen. He's a very 827 00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:15,953 busy man and he runs a good him 828 00:25:15,953 --> 00:25:18,719 and his assistant runs a good 829 00:25:18,719 --> 00:25:20,819 show too, here in in in Venice. 830 00:25:20,819 --> 00:25:21,818 And I, they got quick to him 831 00:25:21,818 --> 00:25:23,180 because they have access, 832 00:25:23,180 --> 00:25:25,418 because they are code 833 00:25:25,485 --> 00:25:26,718 enforcement. He could have come 834 00:25:26,718 --> 00:25:28,485 over to the job while we were 835 00:25:28,485 --> 00:25:29,651 working there. He could have 836 00:25:29,651 --> 00:25:31,551 left whatever he was doing and 837 00:25:31,551 --> 00:25:32,685 met us there and said what he 838 00:25:32,685 --> 00:25:34,618 gave his opinion on what he 839 00:25:34,618 --> 00:25:35,785 think is right or wrong. Nobody 840 00:25:35,785 --> 00:25:37,618 showed up but the police trying 841 00:25:37,618 --> 00:25:39,486 to put me in jail. And MR. 842 00:25:39,486 --> 00:25:40,652 Hayes, his Jose and his his 843 00:25:40,652 --> 00:25:42,486 team were there and they were 844 00:25:42,486 --> 00:25:43,619 good people. I'm not going to 845 00:25:43,619 --> 00:25:45,486 argue with that. I won't I 846 00:25:45,486 --> 00:25:46,719 won't even make a complaint on 847 00:25:46,719 --> 00:25:47,819 that. I'm making a point that I 848 00:25:47,819 --> 00:25:49,486 have permission to cover 849 00:25:49,486 --> 00:25:50,552 everything up. I didn't get 850 00:25:50,552 --> 00:25:52,486 permission of what product to 851 00:25:52,486 --> 00:25:52,720 use, if that's what you want me 852 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,586 to say. 853 00:25:53,586 --> 00:25:54,752 >> Okay. Yeah. 854 00:25:54,752 --> 00:25:55,485 >> Thank you, MR. Lewis. Any 855 00:25:55,485 --> 00:25:55,818 questions? 856 00:25:55,818 --> 00:25:57,618 >> Yeah, sir. 857 00:25:57,618 --> 00:25:57,918 >> How long have you been a 858 00:25:57,918 --> 00:25:58,718 contractor? 859 00:25:58,718 --> 00:26:00,585 >> 25, 27 years. 860 00:26:00,585 --> 00:26:01,785 >> And you did apply for a 861 00:26:01,785 --> 00:26:03,585 permit for this position for 862 00:26:03,585 --> 00:26:04,585 this. What did you apply? Apply 863 00:26:04,585 --> 00:26:05,818 for a permit for. 864 00:26:05,818 --> 00:26:07,652 >> a glass room to. 865 00:26:07,652 --> 00:26:09,785 >> And so to put the room in. 866 00:26:09,785 --> 00:26:10,952 >> There was one there before. 867 00:26:10,952 --> 00:26:12,853 >> To basically to put this 868 00:26:12,853 --> 00:26:13,786 room in, put this room in to 869 00:26:13,786 --> 00:26:14,986 enclose this room. 870 00:26:14,986 --> 00:26:17,786 >> Yes. Back the way it was. 871 00:26:17,786 --> 00:26:18,190 >> So you knew you had to get a 872 00:26:18,190 --> 00:26:18,253 permit. 873 00:26:18,253 --> 00:26:19,986 >> Yes. 874 00:26:19,986 --> 00:26:21,887 >> You knew that you had to get 875 00:26:21,887 --> 00:26:22,119 a permit to enclose this room. 876 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,852 >> Yes. 877 00:26:23,852 --> 00:26:24,987 >> You also knew that you 878 00:26:24,987 --> 00:26:25,786 didn't have a permit yet. 879 00:26:25,786 --> 00:26:27,785 >> Yes. 880 00:26:27,785 --> 00:26:28,886 >> And you enclosed the room. 881 00:26:28,886 --> 00:26:29,985 >> To a degree. 882 00:26:29,985 --> 00:26:30,386 >> You enclosed the room, 883 00:26:30,386 --> 00:26:32,152 didn't you? 884 00:26:32,152 --> 00:26:33,318 >> Two walls? Yes. 885 00:26:33,318 --> 00:26:34,285 >> That's enclosing the room. 886 00:26:34,285 --> 00:26:35,285 >> No, enclosing room is 887 00:26:35,285 --> 00:26:35,619 completely finished. That's 888 00:26:35,619 --> 00:26:37,619 enclosure. 889 00:26:38,152 --> 00:26:38,852 >> But you put up walls to 890 00:26:38,852 --> 00:26:39,952 enclose the room, correct? 891 00:26:39,952 --> 00:26:42,352 >> Yes. Started on that. 892 00:26:42,852 --> 00:26:44,510 >> So you have experience. You 893 00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:45,886 knew you had to enclose the 894 00:26:45,886 --> 00:26:47,870 room. You knew you needed to 895 00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:48,919 get a permit to enclose the 896 00:26:48,919 --> 00:26:50,190 room. You didn't. You also knew 897 00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:51,819 you didn't have a permit. And 898 00:26:51,819 --> 00:26:53,952 then you still started to 899 00:26:53,952 --> 00:26:55,387 enclose the room. But based on 900 00:26:55,387 --> 00:26:58,287 your experience, why would you 901 00:26:58,287 --> 00:26:59,719 think that? Well, code 902 00:26:59,719 --> 00:27:01,886 enforcement told me I can 903 00:27:01,886 --> 00:27:03,352 secure it from the elements. 904 00:27:03,352 --> 00:27:04,418 That means I can enclose the 905 00:27:04,418 --> 00:27:05,718 room. 906 00:27:05,718 --> 00:27:07,552 >> No, we didn't enclose it. It 907 00:27:07,552 --> 00:27:08,452 was still open when we put the 908 00:27:08,452 --> 00:27:09,685 drywall up. 909 00:27:09,685 --> 00:27:11,618 >> But you were doing the work 910 00:27:11,618 --> 00:27:12,451 with the process, the work to 911 00:27:12,451 --> 00:27:13,518 enclose the room. 912 00:27:13,518 --> 00:27:14,418 >> Yeah. That's irrelevant what 913 00:27:14,418 --> 00:27:15,552 we're doing here. 914 00:27:15,552 --> 00:27:17,453 >> I get the point. 915 00:27:17,453 --> 00:27:18,587 >> The permit is no permit. We 916 00:27:18,587 --> 00:27:19,887 accept the fact we took our 917 00:27:19,887 --> 00:27:22,530 $1,500 fine for that. The 918 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:22,853 secondary issue was animals and 919 00:27:22,853 --> 00:27:24,220 varmints, and things were 920 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:25,986 getting in there. We needed to 921 00:27:25,986 --> 00:27:27,186 stop that. I asked for 922 00:27:27,186 --> 00:27:30,786 permission to do that. He gave 923 00:27:31,530 --> 00:27:32,119 it to me. I did that with a 924 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:33,553 product. Doesn't matter. The 925 00:27:33,553 --> 00:27:35,180 product I did with a product 926 00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:36,818 still under the violation that 927 00:27:36,818 --> 00:27:38,284 I have to pay, still waiting on 928 00:27:38,284 --> 00:27:40,860 the permit to be issued. I 929 00:27:40,860 --> 00:27:42,218 solved a problem with their 930 00:27:42,218 --> 00:27:43,352 permission. I didn't go to him 931 00:27:43,352 --> 00:27:45,286 because I didn't know it had 932 00:27:45,286 --> 00:27:46,418 gone that far up the chain. But 933 00:27:46,418 --> 00:27:48,318 his assistant did come to the 934 00:27:48,318 --> 00:27:49,785 job site the first time when 935 00:27:49,785 --> 00:27:51,186 the police were there. Them, 936 00:27:51,186 --> 00:27:52,319 them and everybody else in 937 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:53,487 Venice was there. And he told 938 00:27:53,487 --> 00:27:55,287 me, he said, Scotty, get the 939 00:27:55,287 --> 00:27:56,619 permit, get the work done and 940 00:27:56,619 --> 00:27:58,319 move on. Those were his exact 941 00:27:58,319 --> 00:27:59,419 words. And we did. We were 942 00:27:59,419 --> 00:28:00,586 waiting on the engineer to 943 00:28:00,586 --> 00:28:03,586 finish the engineering for that 944 00:28:03,620 --> 00:28:06,190 job. And Venice City of Venice 945 00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:08,119 is quick on permits. There's no 946 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,118 30, 60, 90 days of Sarasota 947 00:28:10,118 --> 00:28:11,386 County. So we knew and I had a 948 00:28:11,386 --> 00:28:13,252 permit ready within five days 949 00:28:13,252 --> 00:28:14,585 waiting on zoning because in 950 00:28:14,585 --> 00:28:17,519 the zoning department in in 951 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:18,986 this particular park has no 952 00:28:18,986 --> 00:28:20,418 zoning. And we have to draw the 953 00:28:20,418 --> 00:28:22,152 zoning and the individual feet 954 00:28:22,152 --> 00:28:23,352 from trailer to trailer to make 955 00:28:23,352 --> 00:28:25,153 sure that they were allowed the 956 00:28:25,153 --> 00:28:26,519 room that got destroyed by the 957 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:27,787 hurricane to go back. And 958 00:28:27,787 --> 00:28:29,487 that's all we were waiting on 959 00:28:29,487 --> 00:28:30,453 for zoning. But the building 960 00:28:30,453 --> 00:28:32,853 department had already issued 961 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:35,388 the permit waiting on zoning. 962 00:28:35,388 --> 00:28:38,388 >> All right. Thank you, MR. 963 00:28:40,618 --> 00:28:44,218 Gulyas. All right. I'm going to 964 00:28:47,685 --> 00:28:50,685 close this hearing. Before I. 965 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,652 Give you my decision. MR. Good. 966 00:28:57,253 --> 00:28:59,530 I. I don't know why you didn't 967 00:28:59,530 --> 00:29:00,487 ask the right question, but in 968 00:29:00,487 --> 00:29:02,853 my view, there should have been 969 00:29:02,853 --> 00:29:04,519 a follow up question to Officer 970 00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:05,787 Luna, which is what can I cover 971 00:29:05,787 --> 00:29:07,520 it up with? And you didn't ask 972 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,353 that question. The second thing 973 00:29:09,353 --> 00:29:11,153 that bothers me about this is 974 00:29:11,153 --> 00:29:14,153 you'd already been fined once 975 00:29:14,452 --> 00:29:15,752 before. Yeah. If I were in your 976 00:29:15,752 --> 00:29:17,453 shoes, I would have been 977 00:29:17,453 --> 00:29:18,618 careful not to get fined again 978 00:29:18,618 --> 00:29:19,752 and I would have asked the 979 00:29:19,752 --> 00:29:21,518 right questions. And so that's 980 00:29:21,518 --> 00:29:23,752 the reason why I'm going to 981 00:29:23,752 --> 00:29:25,180 enter the following order. 982 00:29:25,180 --> 00:29:26,752 Based on the sworn testimony 983 00:29:26,752 --> 00:29:28,860 and evidence presented, I find 984 00:29:28,860 --> 00:29:30,860 that respondent violated. 985 00:29:31,787 --> 00:29:33,819 Section 88. 2.2.1 of the City 986 00:29:33,819 --> 00:29:35,987 Code of Ordinances. Respondents 987 00:29:35,987 --> 00:29:38,888 shall forfeit the appeal fee 988 00:29:38,888 --> 00:29:40,187 filing fee of $25. Respondent 989 00:29:40,187 --> 00:29:42,453 is assessed a civil penalty in 990 00:29:42,453 --> 00:29:44,587 the amount of $2,000 and a 991 00:29:44,587 --> 00:29:45,687 contested fee of $500, plus the 992 00:29:45,687 --> 00:29:47,952 recording fee, if not paid 993 00:29:47,952 --> 00:29:50,952 within ten days. All right, 994 00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:53,718 this hearing is concluded. Our 995 00:29:53,718 --> 00:29:55,352 next hearing is since we have 996 00:29:55,352 --> 00:29:56,486 nothing else on the agenda. Our 997 00:29:56,486 --> 00:29:59,386 next hearing is scheduled for 998 00:29:59,386 --> 00:30:00,652 Wednesday, OCTOBER 7th, 2026 at 999 00:30:00,652 --> 00:30:01,652 10 A.M. And unless there's any 1000 00:30:01,652 --> 00:30:02,252 further business, this hearing 1001 00:30:02,252 --> 00:30:02,952 is adjourned. 1002 00:30:02,952 --> 00:30:04,952 >> Nothing further.