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Good evening everyone, We will call this evenings easy a meeting.

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To order.

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First off, may we have the roll call please?

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Banner is passing.

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Phillips here.

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Holt here, Brady here, Lundy here.

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And we have Homer Taft with us this evening, our Council representative, Anthony Valerius, our service director.

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Good evening.

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All right, Has the board had an opportunity to review the?

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Meeting minutes as of August 25th, 2026.

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Are there any?

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Points of discussion, additions, or correction to.

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The meeting minutes.

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That being the case, I would like to make a motion to.

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Approve the.

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Meeting minutes.

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As of August 20.

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5th, 2026.

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I'll 2nd and any further discussion.

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Volt, Phillips.

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Brady Epstein.

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One day, yes. Motion carried.

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Thank you much.

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And onto correspondence for this evening.

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OK, we have multiple pieces of correspondence this evening to read, so just bear with me as I read them all.

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The first says good evening, Mr. Chair, person and members of the Board.

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Please accept this e-mail for inclusion in the official record.

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Regarding the variance request associated with the codified ordinance.

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1272.09 H.

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Unfortunately, I'm unable to attend the meeting in person. However, I respectfully submit the following comments for the board's.

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Consideration prior to its decision on this matter.

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My name is Timothy Goble. I reside at 624 Guilford Rd. in Vermilion. I'm writing to respectfully oppose the requested variance

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which would permit the unfinished side of a fence to face my property.

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Contrary to the requirements of the city's ordinance.

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The applicant is seeking permission to install a fence with the unfinished side.

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Including the posts and rails facing my property rather than the finished side required by the codified ordinance 1272.098.

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As the Board is aware, variants should only be granted when there is a practical difficulty or hardship arising from the unique

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characteristics of the property itself.

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Such circumstances typically involve the physical conditions of the land, such as unusual lot dimensions, topographical

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challenges.

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Or other site specific constraints.

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Based on the information presented, the property appears fully capable of accommodating a fence that complies with the ordinance.

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The request does not appear to result from a physical limitation of the land, but rather from the applicants preferred fence

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orientation.

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In additional reasonable code compliant alternatives are available.

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The applicant may install the fence with the finished side facing outward as required by the ordinance, or select a fence design

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that presents a finished appearance on both sides.

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The city fence ordinance serves as an important.

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Purpose by promoting A consistent neighborhood appearance and ensuring that adjacent property owners are not required to view the

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structural framing of a fence.

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Granting a variance in the absence of a property related hardship would undermine the intent of that work.

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For these reasons, I respect the.

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Respectfully request that the Board uphold the requirements of the Codified Ordinance 1272.098.

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And deny the variance request.

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Thank you for your time, consideration, and service to the community. I respectfully request that this correspondence be included

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in the official record and considered during the Board's deliberations. Respectfully. Timothy Copeland.

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OK, the next one says. Dear members of the board, I'm writing as the owner and resident of 3512 Edgewater Dr. to enter my formal

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objection into the public record regarding the rear.

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Yard set back variance application submitted by Matthew Miller.

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For 3500 Aswater Drive.

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The applicant requests permission to construct an elevated second story screen porch that encroaches 14 feet 10 inches into the

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required 30 foot rear yard setback.

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Under Ohio law governing area variances.

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Inverse Middlefield.

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The board must determine whether the variance is substantial, whether it harms neighboring properties and whether granting it

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comprises public health, safety or established zoning standards.

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The application fails to meet those statutory thresholds on several distinct points.

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#1 the variance is substantial, nearly 50% encroachment.

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The zoning code requires a 30 foot rear yard set back to maintain uniform structure alignment.

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Neighborhood density.

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And shoreline separation permitting a 14 foot 10 inch encroachment reduces the buffer to roughly 15 feet 2 inches.

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This is an extreme departure from the code, not an incidental or.

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Diminish the deviation.

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#2 severe structure and suffers.

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Subsurface Foundation concerns a 25 foot rock.

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Slash.

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The proposed elevated porch would sit over ground that is not undisturbed native soil, but approximately 20 feet of rock and stone

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backfill.

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Place during historical breakwater construction.

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I have direct, visual and documented proof establishing this back pill death.

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Constructing an elevated structural second story addition over.

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Roughly 25 feet of unconsolidated rock.

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And RIP rap.

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Present several structure and engineering challenges.

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Standard foundation footers cannot be properly poured or seated in loose Rockville.

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Without risking differential setting.

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Structural shifting or failure unless prior systems are engineered to penetrate the entire 25 foot rock depths to sound bedrock.

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Approving a massive set back encroachment over.

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Unverified heavy rock fill directly compromises structural safety.

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#3 substantial.

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Obstruction of shared lakefront views and like.

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Because the structure is an elevated second story addition rather than ground level deck, extending it nearly 15 feet past the

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established set back line creates an artificial visual wall.

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Recruiting into the shoreline corridor.

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This projection severely encroaches upon the long standing lake views, open air and natural sight lines shared by adjacent and

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nearby properties along Edgewater Dr.

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#4 self create a difficulty.

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With read.

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Are with readily available alternatives.

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The applicant enjoys full reasonable residential use of the existing dwelling.

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The desire to push an elevated screen porch 15 feet beyond the set back line is a personal architectural.

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Preference.

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Not an unavoidable physical hardship caused by the law itself.

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The property has ample space to accommodate an outdoor living area entirely within the conforming 30 foot setback.

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Envelope on the ground level.

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Granting an extraordinary 50.

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Percent setback variance to construct an elevated living area over 25 feet of rock backfill sets an unsound precedent.

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Compromises shoreline safety and directly harms neighboring properties.

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Matthew Miller never contacted me or the neighbors as far as I know, as to what he proposed.

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He said he did by putting my name on the variance application, which is a false statement.

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He also left out the neighbor, Jeff Kasler at 3524 Edgewater.

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Who is within the 100 foot notification area?

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I respectfully urge the Board to deny this rear yard set back variance application.

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Respectfully submitted by Dan.

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There we go.

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At 3512 Edgewater Dr.

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The next one. Dear members of the Board, I am the owner and resident of Three Nine or Three 492 Edgewater Dr. immediately

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adjoining 3500 Edgewater Drive to the east.

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I previously submitted concerns regarding the proposed addition and I'm waiting.

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Or writing to formally state my objection to the requested.

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My concern is straightforward.

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I oppose allowing any new addition at 3500 Edgewater Dr. to extend the existing structure farther towards the lake and into the

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required setup.

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The submitted plans show a new elevated addition extending to approximately 15 feet, 2 inches from the lakeward.

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Property line.

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Where the rear or where the required set back is 30 feet.

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This requires approximately 14 feet 10 inches of relief, nearly half of the required set back.

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This is a significant encroachment for new construction rather than the remodeling or maintenance of the home's existing

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footprint.

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I'm concerned not only what the size of this particular request, but with.

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Allow a reconstruction to advance the existing lakeward footprint at all.

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The current Lakewood line of the home is established, allowing additional structure to move beyond that line with further approach

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into the set back.

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Directly.

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Affects the existing openness.

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Sightlines and relationship between the neighboring properties and the lakefront.

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I also have concerns about the potential safety and structural risks.

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Associated with advancing a new elevated structure for their Lakewood.

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The proposed construction would be in close proximity to the existing retaining wall, which drops to a lower level.

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An area consisting of substantial rock and back, though.

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Given the retaining wall, elevation change, shoreline conditions, and underlying Garrettville, I believe these conditions deserve

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careful consideration before allowing additional structure to advance into the required.

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The property already has a reasonable residential use and improvements or modifications can be considered without advancing the

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existing structure further towards the lake.

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I do not believe a variance should be granted to allow new construction beyond the homes existing Lakewood Prep.

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For these reasons, I respectfully ask the board to deny the requested variance.

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And not permit new construction to extend beyond the homes existing Lakewood.

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I plan to attend the September 22nd hearing to voice my objections and address any questions the Board may have. Please include

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this letter with the materials provided to the Board as part of the recording and the hearing.

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Thank you for your time and consideration Which?

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Effectively, Zach Flip.

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3492 Edgewater Dr.

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We have one more.

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Dear Vermont Building Department, we are writing respect.

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She respectfully opposed the requested year rear yard set back experience.

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1270.09 E 2B.

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For the property at 3500 at Warner Blvd. we understand the applicant's request is a 14 foot 10 inch rear yard variance to

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accommodate the proposed 2 story addition and screen porch.

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Our concern is that the proposed addition extends beyond the natural rear yard building line.

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And would obstruct our existing view to the West and the lake.

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While we understand that previous construction does not establish precedent, we would like to share that our home is located to

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houses away from this property.

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When we built our home in 2025, we followed the required front.

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Side and where your suspects and also.

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Voluntarily modified our plans to move our home.

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Are there from the rear set back?

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We did this specifically to help preserve the northern and western lake view shared by the homes in this area.

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You have spoken with the new owner and pointed out the property boundaries and the angle of the existing Lakeviews.

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Should he wish to consider a similar approach.

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Unfortunately, it appears that current plans do not follow that rear building line.

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Which we believe would negatively affect the views enjoyed by neighboring homeowners.

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To clarify, we are not opposed to the requested minimum side yard variance. 1270.0982 C.

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Are concerned specifically with the minimum rear yard variance 1270.09 each because of its impact on our property and life use.

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Due to work obligations, we are unable to attend the Board of Zoning Appeals meeting on September 22nd.

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We respectfully ask that this letter be included in the record and that our opposition to the requested rear yard variance be

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considered. Thank you for your time and consideration.

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Sincerely, Bill and Christy.

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I'm sorry if I say this wrong.

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Lamanquits.

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3484 Edgewater Blvd.

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And that's what I have.

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OK. Thank you very much.

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Onto administering the.

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Oath.

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We were going to administer the oath to all attendings who wish to speak, either presenting a proposal.

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Tonight or would like to comment.

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On a proposal.

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Being submitted before we do, I'd like to.

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Offer a brief statement from the chair that each request presented to this board.

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Is reviewed on.

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Each request's own merit judgments rendered are not based on similar or previous decisions.

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And when unsatisfied with any decision reached by this Board.

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An applicant may either reapply to this board with a modified proposal.

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Or appeal the decision.

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Up to the county.

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Court of Common Pleas.

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This board strives who are comfortable.

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Informal atmosphere while conducting its business.

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And I would ask that everyone who intends to speak during this evening's meeting, please stand up now.

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Raise your right hand and repeat the following oath after me.

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We do solemnly swear to speak truthfully.

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During the proceeding of this evening's meeting.

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So help us God.

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Thank you very much.

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And as a reminder to all, when you do approach the podium, we'll call the applicants up first, give them an opportunity to present

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their proposal the board.

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To ask any questions or seek clarification from the applicant.

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When you do approach the podium, please state your name.

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And address for the record.

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Into the microphone.

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Additionally, as we've seen, we do have.

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A unusually high amount of correspondence and quite a full docket this evening.

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So we're going to ask that each person speaking either applicant or comment or on an application.

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Please limit their.

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As speaking time to 5 minutes or less, excluding any.

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Questions or clarifications?

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Prompted by the board, but any.

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Proposals or comments?

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To 5 minutes or less please.

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Thank you very much.

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OK, you have a.

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No old business. So on to our new business.

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Michael Poet.

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Michael Coat, 362 Heaven Shire Rd.

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Good evening.

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How you doing today? Good. Thank you.

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And would you explain to us your application please?

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Design.

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Garage Foundation.

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Previous owners.

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Which is a 25 by 30.

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Foundation that sits right at the backside.

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Property. At this point it's 5 feet.

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Set back I'm looking to do.

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6 foot sat there.

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Keep it inside the foundation a little bit more.

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Put a note.

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On the existing slab.

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And foundation in that.

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So the slab will remain new structures going on the slab.

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Yes, correct.

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And the backyard is bounced.

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So.

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We can't see anybody behind us.

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Good. And all the existing neighbors.

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00:15:16,070 --> 00:15:17,630
Nobody has any issues with it.

247
00:15:18,630 --> 00:15:20,430
You're probably pleased with Wave Network.

248
00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:23,430
Clean enough is probably the same.

249
00:15:23,510 --> 00:15:25,230
So you've talked to all these people.

250
00:15:26,390 --> 00:15:27,350
That's how this works.

251
00:15:34,070 --> 00:15:39,910
Is this a prefabricated structure or kit structure or prefabricated metal structure?

252
00:15:40,070 --> 00:15:40,870
Hardboard.

253
00:15:42,350 --> 00:15:43,390
Pretty much comes in.

254
00:15:43,870 --> 00:15:45,630
Takes 4 hours to put it up there.

255
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:47,230
I'll take my room.

256
00:15:50,180 --> 00:15:52,600
We're keeping it inside the foundation.

257
00:15:52,990 --> 00:15:54,790
Because the concrete is smoother area.

258
00:15:55,750 --> 00:15:59,670
We would have taken her all the ports and stuff stuck up from the.

259
00:16:00,270 --> 00:16:06,110
Old garage Antonio, you have no problems with the construction or anything that he's talking about?

260
00:16:06,990 --> 00:16:08,070
They'll be reviewed by the.

261
00:16:08,550 --> 00:16:13,590
All right here code.

262
00:16:14,630 --> 00:16:16,470
Sounds pretty straightforward.

263
00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:19,430
More questions for me. Any questions or comment from the board?

264
00:16:20,630 --> 00:16:21,830
I'll make a motion.

265
00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:29,590
Is there any comment or question on this proposal from members of the audience?

266
00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:32,320
OK, seeing as there is none, please.

267
00:16:32,590 --> 00:16:33,390
Please proceed.

268
00:16:34,110 --> 00:16:37,270
I'll make a motion in regarding the zoning district.

269
00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:40,710
Code section 1272.08.

270
00:16:40,870 --> 00:16:44,430
B Minimum you ought to set that 10 foot.

271
00:16:44,910 --> 00:16:46,470
Proposed means.

272
00:16:46,590 --> 00:16:49,430
6 feet variance requested 4.

273
00:16:49,790 --> 00:16:50,550
I'll second.

274
00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:54,640
Any further discussion?

275
00:16:56,470 --> 00:16:57,270
Brady.

276
00:16:57,830 --> 00:16:59,350
Aye, Phillips.

277
00:16:59,790 --> 00:17:01,350
Yes.

278
00:17:03,070 --> 00:17:03,430
Thank you.

279
00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:14,520
A representative of Trinity Contracting Group for 476 Ash St.

280
00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,400
1274 Adams St.

281
00:17:23,470 --> 00:17:26,070
Thanks for being here this evening and happy 1st day of both.

282
00:17:26,430 --> 00:17:27,270
Here we go.

283
00:17:27,950 --> 00:17:30,070
Which takes us to the subject matter.

284
00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:34,720
There is this Berlin with.

285
00:17:36,190 --> 00:17:37,670
Which one?

286
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:40,950
Surfers though this is for.

287
00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:42,590
476.

288
00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:48,720
The.

289
00:17:51,790 --> 00:17:53,630
Proposed addition of the.

290
00:17:55,050 --> 00:17:56,530
Northeast corner of the property.

291
00:17:57,430 --> 00:18:04,630
In the conforming guidelines of the existing structure for the outside parameters of it.

292
00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:07,350
The North Hotline and the East Hotline.

293
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:10,710
Which is all against the Ash St.

294
00:18:11,550 --> 00:18:12,270
And it's, uh.

295
00:18:18,990 --> 00:18:19,390
But I mean.

296
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,160
I believe it has their own Rs going.

297
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:31,470
Well, the ash side is OK. I think it's against the neighborhood that is the.

298
00:18:32,430 --> 00:18:34,670
But you're asking for the.

299
00:18:35,410 --> 00:18:39,050
Yes, which is which is the side here, right?

300
00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:46,830
Yeah, and it's going to come straight where the building already is. It's going to just come further towards Ash.

301
00:18:47,430 --> 00:18:49,670
Because this is just going to come through the transaction.

302
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:52,990
Feeling that little square, that's all.

303
00:18:53,070 --> 00:18:57,110
Yeah, they'll still be set back from the porch.

304
00:18:57,230 --> 00:18:57,990
And we don't still.

305
00:18:58,630 --> 00:19:01,870
I can't remember what was up there 6.

306
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:06,800
600 feet up there.

307
00:19:07,810 --> 00:19:09,930
Which I believe you know I begin.

308
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:13,470
Actually, it's 900 minimum toys ask in this room.

309
00:19:13,910 --> 00:19:17,070
5 foot up there which you know this is.

310
00:19:17,550 --> 00:19:18,870
This will be in front of their board here.

311
00:19:20,490 --> 00:19:21,970
Is it this week or next week? It'll.

312
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:23,910
They'll run across their.

313
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:28,870
But since it's the same as the back of the house, it's kind of none.

314
00:19:29,950 --> 00:19:32,030
So does he have to have firewalls?

315
00:19:32,190 --> 00:19:33,710
Is it? Is it?

316
00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:36,390
It's closer than 5 feet to the property line.

317
00:19:36,750 --> 00:19:37,710
Firewalls are required.

318
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:40,470
So that's not on the variance, shouldn't that?

319
00:19:42,110 --> 00:19:42,470
OK, yes.

320
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,280
You're going to build them.

321
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:55,950
And all neighbors and those in proximity contacted no opposition.

322
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:03,110
Other questions for me?

323
00:20:04,110 --> 00:20:06,270
Are there any comments?

324
00:20:06,550 --> 00:20:11,070
From members of the audience on the proposal for 476 Ash St.

325
00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:15,960
OK, seeing as there are none, I will make a motion.

326
00:20:16,430 --> 00:20:17,870
Or zoning district Rs.

327
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:20,790
Section twelve. 7009 E 2C.

328
00:20:21,630 --> 00:20:23,230
A side yard set back.

329
00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:28,150
Requirement of seven feet with a proposal of four feet for a requested variance.

330
00:20:28,340 --> 00:20:29,300
Of three feet.

331
00:20:30,670 --> 00:20:33,510
2nd and any further discussion.

332
00:20:36,510 --> 00:20:37,710
Phillips, Yes.

333
00:20:38,540 --> 00:20:41,060
Aye, Brady. Yes, Wendy, Yes.

334
00:20:42,420 --> 00:20:45,100
Very much, I suspect you will.

335
00:20:46,670 --> 00:20:48,990
Be the representative for the next one of.

336
00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:54,140
439 Linden. All right, tell us about that one, please.

337
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:59,260
With the parameters of the whole home sitting.

338
00:21:00,750 --> 00:21:03,470
In its existing appointment, except for the.

339
00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:06,380
Eastern end of this.

340
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,190
There's a small structure on the southeast corner of this.

341
00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:13,700
That will be removed.

342
00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:18,100
But that same quadrant will.

343
00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:22,580
Be added to the entire back, the east, entire east side of the.

344
00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:24,700
The structure.

345
00:21:25,540 --> 00:21:26,780
But not to.

346
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:31,710
Exceed the dimensions.

347
00:21:32,380 --> 00:21:34,700
Going east of that existing structure, that will come on.

348
00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:38,260
So it's basically the footprint.

349
00:21:39,060 --> 00:21:42,180
Of the back home, he's in the structure.

350
00:21:42,860 --> 00:21:45,380
Is is where we're we're at this.

351
00:21:45,540 --> 00:21:50,900
He's just pushing out the whole back, taking off that little water. Yeah, yeah.

352
00:21:51,820 --> 00:21:52,900
So I have a question.

353
00:21:53,260 --> 00:21:57,380
So this one it says a non conforming structure shall not be enlarged in a way.

354
00:21:57,540 --> 00:21:59,740
That increases its amount of conformity.

355
00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:01,460
Why did this not?

356
00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:03,740
Save that same comment.

357
00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:05,060
Applied to the one before.

358
00:22:05,820 --> 00:22:07,860
This one is the whole backside of the.

359
00:22:09,220 --> 00:22:10,100
And maybe that one.

360
00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:11,540
Could. Could.

361
00:22:12,420 --> 00:22:14,460
Maybe that would have been in that one as well.

362
00:22:15,340 --> 00:22:19,340
OK, I just want to. I just didn't understand why one would have it and one didn't have.

363
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:21,820
No, I understand what you're saying.

364
00:22:22,260 --> 00:22:24,820
OK, this one takes literally the entire house.

365
00:22:25,340 --> 00:22:28,380
Adds 4 foot or put something to it, yes.

366
00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:31,700
Increasing the size of.

367
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,990
First boards I quoted, so it's a relative thing which you decide.

368
00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:39,500
Nothing matters but I guess.

369
00:22:39,940 --> 00:22:40,420
Wonderful.

370
00:22:43,660 --> 00:22:45,300
You know what you're seeing. It obviously is.

371
00:22:45,980 --> 00:22:47,740
But I don't know, we always get.

372
00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:50,220
It seems like I always get back to that, you know?

373
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:52,680
The limit thing.

374
00:22:53,500 --> 00:22:54,500
Dealing with with.

375
00:22:54,860 --> 00:22:59,860
You know, they're required to set backs per their rates, which again, I mean the city, of course.

376
00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:01,380
Jurisdiction on all.

377
00:23:04,780 --> 00:23:07,340
Well, there's nothing behind this one. It's an empty lot.

378
00:23:08,140 --> 00:23:09,140
So really, isn't it?

379
00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:12,420
I was kind of going back to the comment and the other one.

380
00:23:13,300 --> 00:23:15,910
And the other the.

381
00:23:16,220 --> 00:23:18,980
Non conformity did not increase.

382
00:23:20,340 --> 00:23:22,180
Correct, because the wall stayed.

383
00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:25,900
In line with the existing wall so.

384
00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:34,940
It's exactly the same nonconformity as it was before. This is adding 443 inches of nonconformity that didn't exist.

385
00:23:36,460 --> 00:23:36,580
So.

386
00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:49,060
OK. And as far as?

387
00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:50,620
Correspondence. I see there's.

388
00:23:52,380 --> 00:23:55,020
Several documented several pieces of documentation here.

389
00:23:56,700 --> 00:23:59,460
Any notable support or?

390
00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:00,660
Objections to.

391
00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:03,290
No, there was, I think it was.

392
00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:06,340
One thoughtful person was just.

393
00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:07,620
Brought up a question of.

394
00:24:07,980 --> 00:24:08,500
Drainage.

395
00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:10,180
Which is.

396
00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:11,900
Always addressed them.

397
00:24:12,940 --> 00:24:14,460
The final building.

398
00:24:15,780 --> 00:24:17,420
Well, also the sandstone walk.

399
00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:19,860
So I want to ask that you not disturb this.

400
00:24:22,780 --> 00:24:23,860
It'll be OK.

401
00:24:26,030 --> 00:24:28,830
You better not or this guy.

402
00:24:37,470 --> 00:24:39,310
It looks looks that way.

403
00:24:40,420 --> 00:24:42,620
The one letter that they were, they're not.

404
00:24:42,780 --> 00:24:45,020
Right next door or anything, it's a ways away.

405
00:24:45,180 --> 00:24:46,700
Yeah, that's that's the only thing I.

406
00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:47,980
I was confused.

407
00:24:48,980 --> 00:24:51,100
I was too, but but looking at this, yeah, they're not.

408
00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:53,260
It doesn't look like they're an adjoining property.

409
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:56,530
I was worried about the electrical.

410
00:25:00,340 --> 00:25:03,100
Or is it really hard these?

411
00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:04,820
And there's that we have.

412
00:25:06,820 --> 00:25:07,740
He said wo.

413
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:11,140
He's a woman, so it was a.

414
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:20,320
The person they wrote just like well, the notes they're back lot line of what's this property so they're adjacent but they.

415
00:25:21,020 --> 00:25:24,420
Hope so, although it appeared in a.

416
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:27,260
Although it appears that there's no.

417
00:25:28,300 --> 00:25:30,460
Nothing behind the house.

418
00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:32,100
This lot of bucks in that direction.

419
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:43,500
No further questions for me.

420
00:25:45,260 --> 00:25:48,980
Are there any comments or questions from audience members regarding?

421
00:25:49,220 --> 00:25:50,340
439.

422
00:25:50,420 --> 00:25:51,180
Linden St.

423
00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:53,740
I don't know St.

424
00:25:57,100 --> 00:25:58,740
Seeing as there are none.

425
00:25:59,060 --> 00:25:59,860
I will make a.

426
00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:04,300
A motion for zoning district Rs.

427
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:07,380
1280.072.

428
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:11,380
A non conforming structure shall not be enlarged in a way.

429
00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:14,660
Which increases its nonconformity and.

430
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:16,740
To allow.

431
00:26:17,380 --> 00:26:18,740
A variance for that.

432
00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:22,180
Also section twelve, 7009.

433
00:26:22,500 --> 00:26:23,340
E2B.

434
00:26:24,570 --> 00:26:30,950
Minimum rear yard of 30 feet with a proposal of 6 feet for a variance of 24 feet.

435
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,470
One second. Any further discussion from the board?

436
00:26:38,250 --> 00:26:40,350
Folks, Phillips.

437
00:26:40,900 --> 00:26:43,020
Yes, Brady.

438
00:26:43,660 --> 00:26:44,260
Motion carried.

439
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:50,020
Enjoy the rest of you as well.

440
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:58,060
Louis Duso.

441
00:26:59,860 --> 00:27:00,710
I get that right.

442
00:27:00,980 --> 00:27:01,780
Do those? Yes Sir.

443
00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:07,020
I'm actually George Douglas, 36344 Mills Rd. Avon, OH.

444
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:16,540
Amen. We're requesting 2 variances. The first one is to increase the fence from the standard 7 foot tall to a.

445
00:27:16,660 --> 00:27:20,140
Talk. And that's for two reasons.

446
00:27:21,060 --> 00:27:25,540
The fence is located on the West side of the property development of Eagle View Homes.

447
00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:30,580
We're looking to obstruct the view of Napa and the automotive company that is there now.

448
00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:33,300
The extra.

449
00:27:33,900 --> 00:27:38,500
At the Anglo example definitely cut down on most of the views that we have there.

450
00:27:38,620 --> 00:27:43,100
Cutting down the views of the building and the cards that are there. The 4th John dumpster title.

451
00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:48,780
The other reason for the hike that we feel can also help on sound deadening.

452
00:27:48,980 --> 00:27:54,540
Being an automotive company and repair shop that run the vehicles, testing engines and all that kind of stuff.

453
00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:57,940
That's the reason behind our push request.

454
00:27:58,300 --> 00:28:02,420
The second request we have is we're requesting to put the finished side of the fence.

455
00:28:02,740 --> 00:28:05,020
Facing the development rather than.

456
00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:06,340
The automotive company.

457
00:28:07,700 --> 00:28:09,700
And that's just simply for the aesthetics.

458
00:28:11,180 --> 00:28:15,380
So in a nutshell, very simple, those are two variances that we're requesting this evening.

459
00:28:15,660 --> 00:28:18,380
Where is the gentleman's house that is opposing?

460
00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:20,820
The I was not aware of.

461
00:28:21,860 --> 00:28:25,380
Anybody posing? But I did get stuck by the train so I got here a few minutes late.

462
00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:28,100
Do we know where the stones houses?

463
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:34,950
So he's on.

464
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:36,100
624.

465
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:43,220
624 Gilford, Yeah. So that's on the east side of the property.

466
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,600
And that's your word relevance that would have on the list.

467
00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:49,580
And there'll be no sense on that.

468
00:28:49,660 --> 00:28:51,380
There'll be no friends on the East side.

469
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:55,100
No, you have most of the fences on the east side were already in place.

470
00:28:55,300 --> 00:28:57,380
Either by homeowners or us.

471
00:28:58,020 --> 00:29:00,740
So a lot of that Eastside property has a fence on it, everybody.

472
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:08,750
And you've talked to?

473
00:29:08,940 --> 00:29:11,740
Your neighbors talk to Napa, They don't have a problem.

474
00:29:24,020 --> 00:29:26,500
So it's the correspondence.

475
00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:32,410
From the individual they maybe perhaps just read the the application request.

476
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:36,820
Just, you know, it's on the fence, I guess.

477
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,520
I mean, is it?

478
00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:43,700
I guess we're supposed to base things on hardship for the most part.

479
00:29:43,940 --> 00:29:48,260
It's not really hardship that you're asking for the extra foot. It's just a convenience. I mean, it's just a nice sense of not

480
00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:52,580
seeing what's over there and seeing.

481
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:57,680
You know, trying to do some sound ending. We have already planted the trees along there and obviously the trees are 16 foot. They

482
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,300
take time to fill in.

483
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:06,220
So putting in the fence just kind of gets a really jump on there.

484
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:11,020
OK. Yeah, the Napa property is the only property that would see the unfinished side.

485
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:14,820
Yes, and understandable about the additional height.

486
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:20,940
You know no further questions from.

487
00:30:21,100 --> 00:30:22,340
For me, any of the board.

488
00:30:22,660 --> 00:30:28,180
I guess I my I would look at them both separately and I do kind of question the.

489
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:29,900
Necessity of.

490
00:30:30,180 --> 00:30:33,060
Reversing the face of the fence when?

491
00:30:35,660 --> 00:30:36,860
On your side.

492
00:30:37,180 --> 00:30:38,580
Is going to be.

493
00:30:38,700 --> 00:30:42,700
Covered virtually entirely by the landscaping.

494
00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:47,100
And you have the ponds and stuff there, so there's really nobody.

495
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:50,230
You know, looking directly at that.

496
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:53,300
So I could I just.

497
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:56,660
Question that I guess what the necessity of that is?

498
00:30:56,740 --> 00:31:02,540
Well, if I could responded there on our side, you're going to have a lot of people looking at the fence.

499
00:31:02,980 --> 00:31:04,980
Rather than the move.

500
00:31:05,180 --> 00:31:05,820
The pure shock.

501
00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:11,300
Anything we put there and that was going to look better from their view because.

502
00:31:11,980 --> 00:31:13,900
This is where property is being.

503
00:31:15,220 --> 00:31:17,820
That's that's the reason behind it, I mean.

504
00:31:18,540 --> 00:31:20,100
Various.

505
00:31:21,660 --> 00:31:24,260
There is no residential on that side, is there?

506
00:31:24,940 --> 00:31:26,980
It's and you've got Napa.

507
00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:32,140
So technically an 8 foot fence could be.

508
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:35,580
Erected on an episode.

509
00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:38,900
And then beyond that, you've got the church. The church.

510
00:31:39,710 --> 00:31:45,030
And it is.

511
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:47,780
I assume standard posts.

512
00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:50,180
Yeah, just a solid.

513
00:31:50,700 --> 00:31:52,660
You know, solid fence.

514
00:31:53,100 --> 00:31:54,580
One my sixth daughter.

515
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,820
Biggest. We saw it all the way across.

516
00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:01,020
Rank Woods.

517
00:32:05,420 --> 00:32:07,660
I mean it would in the in the future assuming.

518
00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:10,140
Maintenance or replacement of pickets needed to occur.

519
00:32:10,260 --> 00:32:11,020
I mean like you can.

520
00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:12,300
Stay on the.

521
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:13,820
On the residential side.

522
00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:17,060
You don't have to cross that an appheside it's true to fix it.

523
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:18,700
It makes sense.

524
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:25,900
Yes, Sir. I'm just curious whether an opposing coordinate board sentence on each side.

525
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:30,380
Might have satisfied the objections and still satisfy the needs of the government.

526
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:35,420
Possibly I'd be.

527
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:36,820
The objections seem to be.

528
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:37,980
Misunderstood.

529
00:32:38,220 --> 00:32:40,300
From at least the correspondence, the house that.

530
00:32:40,380 --> 00:32:41,740
Made the objection is.

531
00:32:42,420 --> 00:32:43,180
Not even.

532
00:32:44,290 --> 00:32:48,650
Adjoining the property with the fence. He's going to be on the right side of the fence.

533
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:50,260
Right.

534
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:54,510
He's going to see the right side of us.

535
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:57,020
That really doesn't affect him at all.

536
00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:05,380
Yeah, no further questions for me.

537
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,070
Any question or comment?

538
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:11,300
From members of the audience on proposal.

539
00:33:13,510 --> 00:33:15,910
OK, seeing as there is none I will make.

540
00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:18,740
A motion for.

541
00:33:19,260 --> 00:33:20,740
But the board prefer to do these.

542
00:33:20,820 --> 00:33:22,700
Separately, as you suggested, or.

543
00:33:23,540 --> 00:33:24,660
As as one.

544
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:29,740
I'll make a motion. Zoning district R5.

545
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:36,160
127820982 Maximum fence height of seven feet with a proposal of eight feet.

546
00:33:36,420 --> 00:33:38,980
What they requested variance of 1 foot height.

547
00:33:39,540 --> 00:33:41,860
Also 127209 H.

548
00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:43,940
The finished side of defense.

549
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:46,580
Shall face the adjoining property.

550
00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:50,100
With the variance request of the finished side to face.

551
00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:52,060
The applicant's property.

552
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:55,440
A second.

553
00:33:55,860 --> 00:33:57,020
Any further discussion?

554
00:33:59,660 --> 00:34:00,460
Brady.

555
00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:01,900
Folks, aye.

556
00:34:02,540 --> 00:34:05,620
Phillips Yes. Condi yes. Motion carried.

557
00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:07,020
Thank you very much.

558
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:08,220
Thank you.

559
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:15,030
Matthew Miller.

560
00:34:24,340 --> 00:34:27,860
Good evening.

561
00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:32,980
Could you give us a brief explanation of your proposal this evening?

562
00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:36,380
I think you understand what I'm trying to get. I guess I didn't.

563
00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:39,260
From the second story.

564
00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:40,980
On the top of.

565
00:34:41,860 --> 00:34:43,620
And obviously the very set back.

566
00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:46,300
In the last there was such a conflict of interest.

567
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:50,260
Just briefly talked to the neighbors on this side.

568
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:54,820
Did not mention.

569
00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:58,220
Pork chop back but obviously seem to be really bad and.

570
00:34:59,090 --> 00:35:00,290
I thought it would be nice to have a.

571
00:35:01,590 --> 00:35:03,430
Screened in porch.

572
00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:05,340
As far as that's concerned.

573
00:35:06,180 --> 00:35:08,140
I don't want to upset neighbors at the same time.

574
00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:10,380
All the neighbors along.

575
00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:13,300
Obviously in the house like I had at one point in time.

576
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:15,740
The Lord second story on top of it.

577
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:19,460
You know it's as simple as keeping the same program we have.

578
00:35:19,820 --> 00:35:21,540
Maybe extending toward the street more.

579
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:24,410
I'm.

580
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:25,860
Suggestion.

581
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,590
That does seem to be the.

582
00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:31,300
Principal complaint is extending it farther. Lake Worth.

583
00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:33,660
If the.

584
00:35:35,230 --> 00:35:38,830
Proposal is both an additional second story and a addition.

585
00:35:39,140 --> 00:35:41,060
Lake word. It seems like that was.

586
00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:45,260
Aside, I'm not aware of that.

587
00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:48,740
We're technically going towards the street more than.

588
00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:51,780
Anything outside you, are you already?

589
00:35:51,900 --> 00:35:57,260
Encroach and you're going on the 2nd floor, so that's why to mention that.

590
00:36:02,030 --> 00:36:03,150
Is out of code.

591
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:09,100
It's along the same line.

592
00:36:09,590 --> 00:36:11,110
Suggestions. Things everybody else has.

593
00:36:12,580 --> 00:36:16,380
I was going to sit back. My house sits close to the lake and everybody else.

594
00:36:16,860 --> 00:36:21,860
There's obviously people that have screening courses, that type of thing.

595
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:23,580
Probably no other way so.

596
00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:29,370
Yeah, yeah, it seems to.

597
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:31,780
The main complaint seems to be the.

598
00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:36,180
Encroachment lakeward I don't recall seeing a complaint of.

599
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:36,940
Anything of the.

600
00:36:37,300 --> 00:36:38,460
The garage addition.

601
00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:42,060
I don't know why you couldn't move the garage over and not have the.

602
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,220
Variance. You know you've got that little.

603
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:50,500
You know, you drive along the East and then you're not on cold.

604
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:54,100
Not a crisis, you know, but.

605
00:36:54,660 --> 00:36:55,860
I'd like to keep that in mind.

606
00:36:56,820 --> 00:36:59,020
But you you keep him in line on the other side.

607
00:36:59,740 --> 00:37:00,220
Yeah.

608
00:37:00,500 --> 00:37:02,220
But I think the porch is a problem.

609
00:37:08,220 --> 00:37:10,860
I like to have happy neighbors on both sides.

610
00:37:11,380 --> 00:37:13,260
And if it's a symbol of keeping the porch off?

611
00:37:15,220 --> 00:37:18,420
I never gave any thought that it would be a problem to build Lakewood, you know.

612
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:26,660
It's not just a portion. I'm sorry. It's not just the Portuguese. The first floor with the porch on top.

613
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:31,700
Right. Yeah, the 4th would be on the second level. It's not.

614
00:37:32,060 --> 00:37:37,860
The original structure on the 1st floor just in the elevated porch, correct?

615
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:50,150
There are no walls on the 1st floor under that porch, correct? Or.

616
00:37:50,580 --> 00:37:53,700
That's that's or the proposed just an elevated.

617
00:37:53,980 --> 00:38:00,900
I didn't, I didn't understand. There is nothing in that space, just a post out in the corner, just.

618
00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:07,900
Be clear. My personal suggestion, as you said, and to eliminate it would be.

619
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:12,380
You could just incorporate an enclosed structure on that north.

620
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:13,860
Side of your.

621
00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:22,660
I guess rather than the extension, and then you'd still be looking in your existing way on top of the existing.

622
00:38:23,220 --> 00:38:25,300
Footprint keeping the same.

623
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:29,060
For the revenue or yeah or over your.

624
00:38:29,620 --> 00:38:36,500
A lot of players Garage edition to extend that second floor to the to the South without having.

625
00:38:37,870 --> 00:38:38,950
But I would go further, you know.

626
00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:43,660
It's the north it's problem.

627
00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:45,260
You're already sticking out.

628
00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:48,060
Yeah.

629
00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:49,740
Yeah.

630
00:38:52,610 --> 00:38:54,570
Then I looked at line of sight too and.

631
00:38:57,420 --> 00:38:58,460
You lose there.

632
00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:07,890
So seeing I'm sorry, I was going to ask Tony. There's no problem with him going taking that a little bit further.

633
00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:09,140
South.

634
00:39:10,580 --> 00:39:12,980
And taking that house for yourself.

635
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:15,100
Which would move the garage.

636
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:18,580
No, I don't believe so. You know, in the Rs.

637
00:39:20,540 --> 00:39:21,420
Front yard setback.

638
00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:23,540
30 feet or.

639
00:39:23,860 --> 00:39:24,780
Right.

640
00:39:27,150 --> 00:39:27,310
Yeah.

641
00:39:28,260 --> 00:39:29,660
Yeah, I mean like everybody's else.

642
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:32,100
Houses and rod and way farther.

643
00:39:39,700 --> 00:39:41,100
Yeah, keeping the same.

644
00:39:41,620 --> 00:39:43,260
Footprint and justice incorporating a.

645
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:44,580
Let's say.

646
00:39:51,590 --> 00:39:53,510
So with that in mind, in the.

647
00:39:54,540 --> 00:39:59,990
Discussion of a modified and resubmitted proposals, that's something that we would need to.

648
00:40:00,420 --> 00:40:01,420
Vote on and vote.

649
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:04,140
Down tonight, Is that something that could be withdrawn? Is that what's the?

650
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:05,540
What you could do?

651
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:07,840
The words of Jesus.

652
00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:11,460
Is you could just fail the 1st.

653
00:40:12,460 --> 00:40:14,380
Request or, I'm sorry, the second.

654
00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:16,540
Which is the rear yard set back?

655
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:17,580
But you could.

656
00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:22,140
So approve the sidelight set back and that would give his.

657
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:24,340
Garages, OK.

658
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:27,590
And then you could resubmit a proposal for the.

659
00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:28,900
Addition on the.

660
00:40:29,460 --> 00:40:33,580
The home itself, I don't know. I don't know that I would need a variance at that point.

661
00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:37,580
Is the.

662
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:39,420
House already non conforming.

663
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:41,820
Just outside you're not yard.

664
00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:45,940
OK. What building is it wouldn't increase that.

665
00:40:46,980 --> 00:40:51,540
Oh wait, OK, so building upward does not count as increasing and on conformal structure.

666
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:58,810
Like if I just remove the screen in a porch off the back.

667
00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:01,650
I guess that would be my request at this point.

668
00:41:02,850 --> 00:41:05,530
Just remove the screen and porch off the rear yard.

669
00:41:06,210 --> 00:41:11,970
Yeah, I guess that would be my request at this point, you know, and if we can get one of our setback, it may not be.

670
00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:15,570
It would require an instrumental or building permit portion.

671
00:41:15,810 --> 00:41:17,730
But it may not require new variance.

672
00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:21,130
If you would approve the footprint that I'm proposing now.

673
00:41:21,250 --> 00:41:22,210
Minus the porch off the back.

674
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:25,770
So if we approve the the side yard set back.

675
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:28,810
And he decides to go forward with that.

676
00:41:29,370 --> 00:41:30,130
Cover that.

677
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:33,260
Would cover in addition.

678
00:41:33,690 --> 00:41:36,250
Technically, you probably need to come back.

679
00:41:37,370 --> 00:41:38,290
For enlargement.

680
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:42,350
Because what the code says is.

681
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:46,370
You can't add on or enlarge.

682
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:51,730
A non conforming structure. The non conforming. It's a non conforming structure because it sits.

683
00:41:51,890 --> 00:41:52,730
Too close to.

684
00:41:56,420 --> 00:41:58,460
So you're enlarging that, you're adding to that.

685
00:41:59,010 --> 00:42:01,130
Technically, he should probably come back.

686
00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:02,970
For the board, zone appeals just to be.

687
00:42:07,610 --> 00:42:09,850
You might, in your motion be able to.

688
00:42:10,730 --> 00:42:13,010
Conflict. That is the.

689
00:42:13,690 --> 00:42:14,530
Side yard.

690
00:42:14,810 --> 00:42:17,570
Variance would extend to any lawful structure on promise of.

691
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,480
And there is a possibility, I don't know if you're building a garage.

692
00:42:25,820 --> 00:42:28,340
Punch 15 feet towards the garage but.

693
00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:33,180
That is the thing I would ask is can I, can I move that?

694
00:42:33,850 --> 00:42:34,850
Can I move that?

695
00:42:35,050 --> 00:42:37,170
Structure packaging. Let's see in the 10 feet.

696
00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:40,530
The ground southward and extend the garage here the 10 feet southward.

697
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:43,090
Well, I think Tony said you already.

698
00:42:43,210 --> 00:42:46,490
You know, he's he's good as far as set back in the front yard.

699
00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:48,290
OK, Yeah.

700
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:55,850
But I'm thinking that I moved a whole new garage.

701
00:42:56,170 --> 00:42:59,450
10 feet toward the street side of the facility. He's got six, Yeah.

702
00:42:59,570 --> 00:43:07,650
My yeah, close it it it seems as though that wouldn't require variance. I I would air with Tony that it.

703
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:12,090
Probably the question or the proposal that I would make right now is.

704
00:43:12,490 --> 00:43:16,930
If I choose to move back that screen report during the existing program area.

705
00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:19,410
And move the garage 10 feet to the South.

706
00:43:19,890 --> 00:43:21,330
If that falls in the.

707
00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:23,270
Parameters of.

708
00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:30,820
OK, penis. You know, I think just the location of the house itself being at one side is.

709
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:35,590
Non conforming as far as the side yard set back I think.

710
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:39,740
Almost any construction would fall under that whatnot.

711
00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:43,730
I think as Councilman tested, I think you can make the approval.

712
00:43:43,970 --> 00:43:45,610
For the side yard set back.

713
00:43:45,850 --> 00:43:49,170
Up to and up to the legal front yard back.

714
00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:50,290
OK.

715
00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:56,930
OK. And allowing that enlargement of the known nonconformity?

716
00:43:57,450 --> 00:43:58,850
Correct. OK.

717
00:43:59,330 --> 00:44:00,130
So that the.

718
00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:01,130
The first one.

719
00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:03,420
Side yard I put.

720
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:04,490
Be what that?

721
00:44:04,650 --> 00:44:05,650
Caveat applies to.

722
00:44:06,010 --> 00:44:07,890
Allowing it to go to the store.

723
00:44:08,290 --> 00:44:11,170
To the selfless as legal eliminating this one.

724
00:44:11,810 --> 00:44:13,530
And then rear yard would be.

725
00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:14,770
Poker down, yes.

726
00:44:14,850 --> 00:44:21,090
OK, or or remove? Yeah, he said. But I may, I may look at.

727
00:44:21,570 --> 00:44:26,370
Drawing the print of it and seeing if I can incorporate into the existing footprint.

728
00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:28,930
Well, I would have to go through building anyway, OK.

729
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:32,980
OK, OK.

730
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:34,090
So with that the.

731
00:44:35,170 --> 00:44:36,090
What is still?

732
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:37,530
Before us is.

733
00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:39,890
Twelve, 7009 E 2.

734
00:44:40,970 --> 00:44:43,770
Twelve, 7009 E 2B is being.

735
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:45,970
Voluntarily withdrawn.

736
00:44:47,170 --> 00:44:47,410
OK.

737
00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:51,180
I think so.

738
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:56,690
Are there any members of the audience that would like to speak on this proposal this evening?

739
00:44:58,930 --> 00:44:59,650
Support.

740
00:45:00,850 --> 00:45:05,810
Hi, I'm Dan Derrick. I live at 352 Edgewater.

741
00:45:06,210 --> 00:45:09,890
Tom, I want to give this a few pending documents.

742
00:45:10,610 --> 00:45:11,490
The share?

743
00:45:15,210 --> 00:45:16,930
I spent the time on this and.

744
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:19,210
Talk about it.

745
00:45:19,930 --> 00:45:23,130
So I don't have a problem with bumping up but the porch again.

746
00:45:23,810 --> 00:45:25,850
If you look a page number.

747
00:45:26,130 --> 00:45:27,690
The second page it shows.

748
00:45:27,810 --> 00:45:29,490
You know, the deck falling off the house.

749
00:45:30,090 --> 00:45:33,410
And according to law and the page #3 shows.

750
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:40,090
That he's literally got 6 feet of property in the back of his house that's been eroded and we're left 6 feet over the property.

751
00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:45,730
So according to law, his backyard line is set at six feet approximately from the house at ODR.

752
00:45:46,770 --> 00:45:48,810
Is under control of that land right now.

753
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:50,530
So technically.

754
00:45:50,610 --> 00:45:53,970
The rear set back that he's got drawn and he probably just pulled from the county maps and just did a measure on that. So

755
00:45:53,970 --> 00:45:57,330
technically his rear set back rears.

756
00:45:58,090 --> 00:46:03,330
Lines about 6 to 8 feet off the property. We've got visual of that with Dan Barnes, the neighbor.

757
00:46:03,450 --> 00:46:09,210
Who actually went in with these people to build that brake wall? They did get permits from owning our to build that brake wall.

758
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:10,090
So again.

759
00:46:10,330 --> 00:46:13,290
Once you lose your land, it's a road it away, you don't get it back.

760
00:46:13,530 --> 00:46:16,130
The law It's now under control of ODNR.

761
00:46:16,410 --> 00:46:17,690
Even when you fill it back in.

762
00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:18,610
So.

763
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:21,490
Again, this this drawing is wrong with the rear yard.

764
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:25,250
So but now that he's pulling back on the on the property.

765
00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:27,900
You know, I'm fine with that. I just want to let people know that.

766
00:46:28,010 --> 00:46:30,090
Where they really are set back probably is.

767
00:46:30,610 --> 00:46:32,250
So the very property line is.

768
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:34,730
And the other thing I'm a little upset about too, that.

769
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:38,050
You falsely put on there that you contact me. I've never met you before.

770
00:46:42,970 --> 00:46:44,170
The application stated that.

771
00:46:45,050 --> 00:46:46,330
Is to mention neighbors.

772
00:46:46,610 --> 00:46:51,410
To bomb or what did it say? It said to notify, notify.

773
00:46:52,650 --> 00:46:55,810
But it says write down the ones that you have notified and shared these documents.

774
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,020
And I just let the neighbors on there.

775
00:47:03,090 --> 00:47:04,010
You know, if you want to just.

776
00:47:05,090 --> 00:47:07,950
Right. And I've done multiple projects in the area besides my house, three other projects, I've always gone to the neighbors and

777
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:10,810
talk to them.

778
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:15,880
Because it just makes for I guess I was more concerned about the neighbors on both sides. I didn't mention them that were building

779
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,550
up but did not mention the screen.

780
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,320
Thank you here to try to be me.

781
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:30,170
Thank you.

782
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:31,490
Thanks. Thank you.

783
00:47:33,010 --> 00:47:38,970
All right. Are there any?

784
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:43,450
Comments or questions from members of the audience on this proposal tonight?

785
00:47:46,810 --> 00:47:50,850
OK, so seeing as there are none.

786
00:47:50,970 --> 00:47:56,730
And in light of the voluntary withdrawing second proposal or rear yard set back.

787
00:47:58,140 --> 00:47:59,940
I will make a proposal for.

788
00:48:00,810 --> 00:48:03,490
Zoning district RS127V.

789
00:48:03,810 --> 00:48:05,090
.09 E 2C.

790
00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:09,850
A minimum side yard set back of 6 feet with a proposal of.

791
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:13,050
4 feet 1 inches for a requested variance of.

792
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:15,890
1 foot 11 inches.

793
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:19,170
With the understanding that that applies to the.

794
00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:21,690
Future structures, future lawful.

795
00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:22,650
Structures.

796
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:29,260
And in enlarging the structure up to the legal limit.

797
00:48:29,770 --> 00:48:30,450
Of the.

798
00:48:30,570 --> 00:48:31,330
Southern.

799
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:34,800
I'll second.

800
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:38,100
Is there any further discussion?

801
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,720
Brady.

802
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:43,730
Phillips, Yes.

803
00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:47,530
Aye, Wendy, Yes. Motion carried.

804
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:48,970
Thank you very much.

805
00:48:55,410 --> 00:48:58,530
And a representative of Frontier Land Group.

806
00:49:20,770 --> 00:49:22,890
Good evening everybody, and this Mark Holtz.

807
00:49:23,770 --> 00:49:28,250
With Country Land Group addresses 25700 Science Park Dr. Cleveland, OH.

808
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,040
It's going to be with God. I just want to give a little background.

809
00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:32,930
About uh.

810
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:37,890
There we go who we are, we we presented the other night in planning so.

811
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:40,650
From the audience, I apologize for the but.

812
00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:44,670
Just want to give a little background. This is the first time we're working in Vermilion, but we are a full service residential

813
00:49:44,670 --> 00:49:47,690
land development company.

814
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:51,570
We specialize in single family residential developments.

815
00:49:51,810 --> 00:49:56,890
We do all the entitlement work with all the infrastructure in the ground, the roads.

816
00:49:57,970 --> 00:50:00,690
Curbs, gutters, common areas, sidewalks, etcetera and partner with national builders that come in and build houses on the on the

817
00:50:00,690 --> 00:50:03,410
subdivision.

818
00:50:05,250 --> 00:50:08,770
I've been doing this. I'm owner of the company. I've been doing this since my 25th year.

819
00:50:09,250 --> 00:50:13,890
Developed thousands of lots. We currently have over 500 lots in development in Northeast Ohio.

820
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:17,090
In five different columns right now.

821
00:50:17,330 --> 00:50:21,410
They're two announcement one Karma 1 and Shard 1 Green 28 Township.

822
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:24,570
So does that mean you?

823
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:29,370
Sell the lots to the builders. We partner with the builders. But yeah, we.

824
00:50:29,490 --> 00:50:31,530
I would like to say the highest we go is the curves.

825
00:50:31,890 --> 00:50:32,930
And then the builder.

826
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:35,970
Goes viral. So we do all the horizontal construction and the builder does it and usually go with one builder. We go with one

827
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:38,890
builder.

828
00:50:41,210 --> 00:50:43,250
And we, we primarily work with national builders.

829
00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:44,970
That would be like.

830
00:50:46,090 --> 00:50:49,850
Dr. Wharton, Ryan Holmes, Kobe and Pulte Drees.

831
00:50:50,970 --> 00:50:55,810
We do not have a builder tied to this subdivision right now. There's been a lot of interest, but we don't have a builder type.

832
00:50:59,410 --> 00:51:03,730
So if I little overview the subject property, I'm not going to read off the parcel number but.

833
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:06,490
It's up here on the screen. It's 53 acres.

834
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:10,090
The property is currently zoned R4 and R4A.

835
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:16,850
And our plan is to develop under cluster subdivisions chapter 1278, which is a conditional.

836
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:19,290
Permitted use in both districts.

837
00:51:19,650 --> 00:51:21,570
And the reason that I'm here before you tonight?

838
00:51:21,730 --> 00:51:28,770
We're not seeking any other variances, it's just the application of the cluster subdivision chapter 1278 to the parcels.

839
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:31,130
So we're not looking for anything above and beyond that.

840
00:51:31,290 --> 00:51:34,230
And as I mentioned, we're proposing a single family detached neighborhood similar and characteristic to the surrounding

841
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:37,170
neighborhood.

842
00:51:38,570 --> 00:51:43,210
So the project aligns with the intent of the cluster subdivision district.

843
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:44,370
The bold.

844
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:48,370
Look the bold words that are taken almost verbatim from what the.

845
00:51:48,490 --> 00:51:50,130
The cluster subdivision.

846
00:51:50,490 --> 00:51:51,530
Intent is.

847
00:51:51,970 --> 00:51:55,610
So we are going to maintain natural elements. Our plant preserves nearly all of the elements that exist on the site, which is the

848
00:51:55,610 --> 00:51:59,250
wetlands and the floodplain.

849
00:51:59,810 --> 00:52:06,490
It's to maintain population density. We're actually designed 44% below the maximum density that's allowed.

850
00:52:06,770 --> 00:52:08,090
Under R4 and R4A.

851
00:52:09,410 --> 00:52:15,210
The one of the main drivers of the cluster subdivision is to lessen development costs and thereby.

852
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:18,090
Providing more affordable house to the future homeowner.

853
00:52:18,210 --> 00:52:18,810
And so.

854
00:52:19,490 --> 00:52:22,010
By going to the cluster subdivision, we're able to.

855
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:26,690
Modestly reduce the lot sizes that are allowable under this district.

856
00:52:26,970 --> 00:52:29,910
Which drives down the construction costs, which ultimately drives down price a lot, which ultimately drives down the prices of

857
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:32,850
house.

858
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:35,090
And then less lighter in.

859
00:52:35,730 --> 00:52:38,610
Means less associated costs from the homers, what we're finding.

860
00:52:39,470 --> 00:52:42,060
Because affordability has become such a big issue with.

861
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:44,610
With homeownership, what we're finding everywhere we go is.

862
00:52:44,770 --> 00:52:47,290
Homeowners want smaller loss because they want less to maintain.

863
00:52:47,810 --> 00:52:51,610
They're looking for any way they can't do to make their.

864
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:53,170
Home more affordable time.

865
00:52:53,610 --> 00:52:56,650
And then finally is to provide common area open space.

866
00:52:56,890 --> 00:53:03,210
And our plan preserves nearly 45% of the site as common area in open state. So we're not.

867
00:53:03,490 --> 00:53:06,250
We're not packing in every single house that we possibly can. We're still.

868
00:53:06,690 --> 00:53:09,210
Preserving about 24 acres of the site.

869
00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:11,170
Is that depicted on the Earth?

870
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:13,930
Layout And there's the layout.

871
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:19,450
So it's 119 lot subdivision and this this got approval planning.

872
00:53:20,010 --> 00:53:21,490
I think it was 2 weeks ago for a second.

873
00:53:21,770 --> 00:53:22,570
September 7th.

874
00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:28,220
So 119 lots. Typical plot size is 56 by 1:30, which is.

875
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:31,740
Means the 20% reduction that's allowed under the.

876
00:53:32,170 --> 00:53:33,730
Cluster subdivision language.

877
00:53:34,210 --> 00:53:37,330
We anticipate the homes being in the 12120.

878
00:53:37,450 --> 00:53:38,970
400 square foot range.

879
00:53:39,170 --> 00:53:41,210
Selling in the mid three hundreds.

880
00:53:41,770 --> 00:53:44,170
Potential for both single family and.

881
00:53:44,730 --> 00:53:47,210
I'm sorry for a single story then two-story houses.

882
00:53:47,570 --> 00:53:48,570
We're finding that.

883
00:53:49,490 --> 00:53:51,290
About what we're seeing.

884
00:53:51,410 --> 00:53:54,210
The last few years in our subdivisions is about 1/3.

885
00:53:54,530 --> 00:53:57,370
Of the people that buy are will have.

886
00:53:58,610 --> 00:53:59,810
Children that are school aged.

887
00:54:00,530 --> 00:54:04,450
And then 2/3 do not and of those 2/3 what happened in one?

888
00:54:04,530 --> 00:54:05,570
Single story living.

889
00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:08,410
So they want like a first floor primary or master of the first floor.

890
00:54:09,370 --> 00:54:14,370
Substantial retention. Positive stormwater. Stormwater management control systems.

891
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:20,130
There will be public roads, there will be an HOA that is responsible for maintaining all of the common area.

892
00:54:20,410 --> 00:54:22,210
And the stormwater management system.

893
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:28,850
And as I mentioned, 20 of the 53 acre parcel, we're leaving 24 acres of open space, which is about 45%.

894
00:54:29,370 --> 00:54:31,850
Of the site, almost all of the wetlands.

895
00:54:31,930 --> 00:54:32,730
Are preserved.

896
00:54:33,250 --> 00:54:38,170
We this current plan called less for less than 1/2 acre impacts.

897
00:54:38,850 --> 00:54:41,650
But you can see that the shaded Gray area there's, there's a considerable amount of wetlands that we're avoiding and floodplain

898
00:54:41,650 --> 00:54:44,450
that we're also with.

899
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:48,540
And with that, I wouldn't worry about any questions.

900
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:52,290
So that's how you get the density though.

901
00:54:52,850 --> 00:54:57,810
You, you, you do smaller lots and you can get away with that because you.

902
00:54:58,130 --> 00:55:04,930
And wetlands and stuff, you can't. You can't build them and grow, so you're taking land you can't build on in.

903
00:55:05,010 --> 00:55:06,370
Using that to.

904
00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:11,890
Any more density than we would have gotten to the R 48?

905
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:18,770
But because because of the wetlands, because the wetlands and because of the affordability, because you're.

906
00:55:18,890 --> 00:55:19,490
Yeah.

907
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:25,290
And if we the smaller lot size means less development cost.

908
00:55:25,810 --> 00:55:28,090
Unless development cost needs a less expensive lot.

909
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:30,210
Which then leads to less expensive house for the end user.

910
00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:35,330
So in the area that you're actually developing your rhythm, increased density.

911
00:55:35,610 --> 00:55:37,690
It's just over the whole parcel. There is not.

912
00:55:38,650 --> 00:55:45,090
It's it's an increased density because of the 20% reduction they're permitted on that size.

913
00:55:46,050 --> 00:55:49,010
But that's that's already within.

914
00:55:49,770 --> 00:55:51,970
Allowable with our approval.

915
00:55:52,130 --> 00:55:58,650
Correct. And if there weren't to that point, if they're worth the wetlands, we could fit 44% more homes there. We're not doing.

916
00:56:04,210 --> 00:56:06,690
The roads going in here to.

917
00:56:06,850 --> 00:56:12,490
To the north, is that also one thing to connect to an established Rd. there on the east, or is that the only Rd. in and out of?

918
00:56:12,610 --> 00:56:13,370
This proposal.

919
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:18,210
As of right now, that's the only Rd. in and out of the proposed because that's the only Rd. that.

920
00:56:18,730 --> 00:56:21,130
Is connected to this 53 acre parcel.

921
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:23,290
It's one of the things I talked about in planning.

922
00:56:23,410 --> 00:56:24,570
A couple weeks ago is that.

923
00:56:25,650 --> 00:56:26,650
The previous.

924
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:28,970
You know, whenever this was done, I think.

925
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:30,770
60 years ago.

926
00:56:31,770 --> 00:56:37,410
They should have had better city planning. Had two sub streets going into a 53 acre parcel. They only had one sub St.

927
00:56:37,770 --> 00:56:41,610
So we have the stubs going out east and West and we are.

928
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:43,850
Working to try and expand that but.

929
00:56:44,610 --> 00:56:47,250
As of right now, that's all that's there we are.

930
00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:51,690
Per planning request, we are doing traffic study to show the impact of.

931
00:56:52,090 --> 00:56:54,570
These 119 homes on the arteries around the.

932
00:56:54,690 --> 00:56:55,690
Surrounding neighborhood.

933
00:56:56,250 --> 00:56:57,690
And that's one of my.

934
00:56:57,770 --> 00:56:59,290
Primary concern is just.

935
00:56:59,690 --> 00:57:01,690
State in of the roads is.

936
00:57:02,170 --> 00:57:03,170
They may be the same.

937
00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:06,930
Roads that were there 60 years ago, that just the increased traffic that.

938
00:57:07,330 --> 00:57:08,450
Is there any?

939
00:57:09,290 --> 00:57:13,530
Plan or or even advocacy for improvement of the existing roads that lead into this. We've had, we've had extensive conversations

940
00:57:13,530 --> 00:57:17,770
with the mayor about that and we're working on it.

941
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:21,610
Parallel with the subject again it affects 2 things we have.

942
00:57:21,890 --> 00:57:25,370
It's not just the condition of the roads for the residents that are there in the city. It's also the entryway to a new

943
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:28,850
subdivision. So it's important to us because.

944
00:57:28,930 --> 00:57:31,050
From a marketability standpoint, we want people to.

945
00:57:31,490 --> 00:57:35,810
You know, you know, would be driving into a nice station. So we're we're we.

946
00:57:36,610 --> 00:57:39,810
We met with the mayor, we've had conversations and those conversations around.

947
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,900
Valley Deuce had storm water in.

948
00:57:43,010 --> 00:57:44,250
Sewer problems.

949
00:57:45,050 --> 00:57:49,310
Are you going to are your service going to add to their problems or are you going to bypass or under retention basins will take

950
00:57:49,310 --> 00:57:53,570
some will take this.

951
00:57:54,810 --> 00:57:55,810
Yeah, I mean, so.

952
00:57:56,530 --> 00:57:58,210
I spoke piece of planning we.

953
00:57:58,490 --> 00:58:03,330
When that's something when that subdivision was designed to stormwater regulations that are currently in place or.

954
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:08,530
Either non existent or much more relaxed in the arts and in fact there is no retention on in that entire neighborhood.

955
00:58:09,130 --> 00:58:11,690
So Ohio's stormwater regulations.

956
00:58:11,810 --> 00:58:15,370
Are very stringent. We have to collect all of.

957
00:58:15,570 --> 00:58:17,010
The rainwater all runoff.

958
00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:21,530
Off of roofs and Purvis area, we have to collect all that we have to run into the right way.

959
00:58:21,690 --> 00:58:22,370
We.

960
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:26,610
We're not in engineering yet because we're just in the preliminary approval stages, but.

961
00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:29,730
We made a commitment that we're going to wrap the water elsewhere.

962
00:58:31,330 --> 00:58:35,330
Basically that creep down the side and avoid sending water to the.

963
00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:36,450
It doesn't tell me OK.

964
00:58:37,570 --> 00:58:42,070
We, one of them is numbers in our business is that people say, well, I'm already flooding and I already add more houses, it's

965
00:58:42,070 --> 00:58:46,570
going to get worse. It's actually the opposite because right now the water goes wherever it wants to go.

966
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:49,170
We're going to the state of Ohio. The Ohio he did.

967
00:58:49,530 --> 00:58:51,780
Requires us to collect all that water and then.

968
00:58:51,890 --> 00:58:53,610
Robert down in 100 year storm.

969
00:58:54,010 --> 00:58:55,180
Calculation and.

970
00:58:55,290 --> 00:58:57,170
Let it triple out and.

971
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:59,690
We we find that.

972
00:58:59,970 --> 00:59:01,530
I can almost guarantee that.

973
00:59:02,930 --> 00:59:05,810
Flooding gets better with a new subdivision it doesn't get.

974
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:09,290
If it's engineered properly and I'm confident of an engineer.

975
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:11,730
And what about the sanitary food? About the?

976
00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:16,530
That's, I mean there's capacity and that's managed by the county and.

977
00:59:17,370 --> 00:59:19,250
It's not. That's not an issue.

978
00:59:19,970 --> 00:59:24,290
You mentioned that you guys can build to the brown level curve, whatever.

979
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:28,050
And it's making a question both for you and.

980
00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:34,810
For the actual design, size etcetera of the homes, is that just?

981
00:59:34,970 --> 00:59:35,970
Go through.

982
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,620
Building permit request process to ensure it now meets.

983
00:59:40,850 --> 00:59:42,250
The requirements of.

984
00:59:42,810 --> 00:59:44,130
The sizes and such.

985
00:59:44,930 --> 00:59:48,690
OK. Or whoever was going to do the home design or?

986
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:58,100
Yeah, but that's why so we're not requesting any other variances. The builder will meet all rear yard, side yard, so.

987
01:00:00,170 --> 01:00:00,610
OK, I mean, I.

988
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:03,780
And what I guess maybe he's.

989
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:04,850
It's more the.

990
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:06,410
Building department and.

991
01:00:07,290 --> 01:00:12,810
Learning to police that than you, but I presume when you're entering an agreement you would.

992
01:00:13,690 --> 01:00:15,650
Taking an active role one year. German.

993
01:00:16,090 --> 01:00:19,970
Yeah, I mean there's, there's many layers of checks and balances in place.

994
01:00:20,410 --> 01:00:22,570
No one better than the cities building department.

995
01:00:22,890 --> 01:00:25,570
But you have to remember until the last lot sells.

996
01:00:25,810 --> 01:00:28,770
My names on it and I make sure that the builders are.

997
01:00:29,170 --> 01:00:31,650
When we just dealt with an issue today, part about noise.

998
01:00:32,330 --> 01:00:33,770
Noise ordinance and we.

999
01:00:33,970 --> 01:00:35,450
Handle it and it's.

1000
01:00:35,850 --> 01:00:37,170
It's my reputation alone, so.

1001
01:00:38,330 --> 01:00:41,050
So our only job is to allow them to.

1002
01:00:41,370 --> 01:00:43,050
Fill smaller lots.

1003
01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:44,530
In the art form.

1004
01:00:45,370 --> 01:00:49,490
Yes, it's not even a small, it's just the conditional use that's.

1005
01:00:49,570 --> 01:00:50,250
Outline.

1006
01:00:51,810 --> 01:00:56,250
Here, aligns with the intent of the district.

1007
01:00:56,610 --> 01:00:58,850
The 20% reduction have you approved by Council?

1008
01:00:59,650 --> 01:01:03,170
So you're not even looking at that. What you're looking at is the condition.

1009
01:01:04,250 --> 01:01:05,690
Approval, OK.

1010
01:01:06,130 --> 01:01:11,210
I I'm just a little confused why? Why is it a conditional use if it's in the R4 and it's not?

1011
01:01:11,290 --> 01:01:13,010
The densities not changed.

1012
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,280
Is it the lot size has? Yeah. What's making it a conditional use?

1013
01:01:19,540 --> 01:01:23,460
I prefer to be a cluster subdivision which does reduce the size of a lot.

1014
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,240
That's why the condition.

1015
01:01:27,460 --> 01:01:28,580
And if it wasn't a.

1016
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,480
And the cluster subdivision allows for a 20% reduction which takes it down to 5060.

1017
01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:42,250
Ironically, the house size will be pretty close to the same.

1018
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:49,120
Because, you know, like I said, the end user wants the smaller the smaller lot. They want less grass to cut, less to maintain.

1019
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,680
But the house is going to be very similar.

1020
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:56,960
To what they would blend, they'd just be building that same size house in a much larger lot with more resident.

1021
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,360
And there would be closer to probably the.

1022
01:02:00,310 --> 01:02:02,670
Set maps required by code then.

1023
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,640
Is this wetlands going to be usable land?

1024
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,280
For the homeowners.

1025
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,050
No, it's not, however.

1026
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,800
We're exploring walking trails.

1027
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,560
Park benches, things like that. But no.

1028
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,920
They're wet, they're protected. They're finally protected.

1029
01:02:20,210 --> 01:02:21,130
So they're not. They're not.

1030
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:22,720
Usable, but.

1031
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:23,640
People can walk.

1032
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,360
Around it almost becomes like.

1033
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,060
But what we, what we do is we work with our builders, you know, once the, once we select the builder, the builder has an idea of

1034
01:02:31,060 --> 01:02:34,560
the demographic they're trying to attract there.

1035
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,320
If it's younger, if it's older, if there's kids, there's no kids, it's 55, whatever it is. And then they're going to design

1036
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,440
something, they're not going to put a.

1037
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:42,320
You know a.

1038
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,600
Skate park in if they're going after a 55 and over Democrats.

1039
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:49,720
So they we work with the building.

1040
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,560
Basically what the board is approving is the cluster subdivision use.

1041
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,640
Council will have to approve the 20% reduction.

1042
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,760
OK, so 2 steps in in that process.

1043
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:04,240
But.

1044
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,680
To in order to approve the 20% reduction, Council approve the 20% reduction.

1045
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,680
VCA has to approve.

1046
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,920
OK, it's actually three steps as we went to planning, already got approval of the sentence here and then we'll go to Council.

1047
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:20,880
Yes, Sir.

1048
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,080
Theoretically, as I understand it.

1049
01:03:24,730 --> 01:03:25,650
Subject to the wetlands.

1050
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,320
They could. The 53 acres filled up to about 200.

1051
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:37,240
In doing the cluster, they're making smaller lots, but they're actually reducing the number of units down the line.

1052
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,760
So it's actually less intense than the.

1053
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,920
But they they're doing it by using.

1054
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,840
That's great. And you said the traffic study is?

1055
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,240
In Palestine process.

1056
01:03:55,040 --> 01:04:00,280
And that if I'm, if I'm completely candid, that's that's my primary concern is just not seeing what the impact would be.

1057
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,600
Be one way and one way, one way out.

1058
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,160
That's why, that's why.

1059
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:05,760
Planning approved it.

1060
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Well recommended we got PCA but knowing that.

1061
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,050
The traffic study was submitted by the time the final approval position.

1062
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,680
Yeah, what in one out is kind of scary.

1063
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:15,200
Yeah.

1064
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,280
I went there. We can only work with what we have. Yeah, we actually explored buying a house and seeing if we can knock it, you

1065
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,520
know, but.

1066
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:23,400
It's just not.

1067
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,640
We, like I said, we are working on both East and West to try and make.

1068
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:28,760
Connector roads.

1069
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,600
The city planners that predate.

1070
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:33,800
All of us the.

1071
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,280
53 acre parcel should have had.

1072
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,000
Two, if not 3.

1073
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,520
Stop streets leading into it.

1074
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:40,760
Yeah, yeah.

1075
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:47,200
I don't know why it didn't happen, but we can only we can only play the handler development. You're in a challenging spot, no?

1076
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:49,880
No doubt, but nonetheless I.

1077
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,520
I would feel comfortable seeing the traffic study before.

1078
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:58,120
And before any density of lot size, just knowing that one way and one way out.

1079
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,440
One way streets can get.

1080
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:03,880
Nicole Granola, The State of the streets as the art.

1081
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,920
I maybe I missed a a timeline assuming everything is approved.

1082
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,960
What would the timeline be of this?

1083
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:12,080
Development occurring.

1084
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,640
Play Construction probably won't take place in the summer next year.

1085
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:24,640
There's not even a place for an emergency entrance and exit like for fire trucks or something like that as a second infamous.

1086
01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:28,010
I mean that would be.

1087
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:34,760
I guess in my little world, in my world, I just having one St. out of, you know.

1088
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:35,920
Just makes me.

1089
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,080
I'm not, I'm not trying to be combative, I'm asking a question because of process but.

1090
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,600
Planning there, they reviewed it and.

1091
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,560
I was there for two hours.

1092
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:48,880
This is strictly.

1093
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:50,480
To apply the cluster.

1094
01:05:52,410 --> 01:05:54,450
I'm just making that statement for me personally.

1095
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,720
I just want to make sure I understand that.

1096
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:58,440
Comfortable.

1097
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,920
Yeah, and that's right. The Fire Chief spoke on every half at the planning meeting saying great to have, but we don't have any

1098
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,000
issue with the one form of receipts and he stood right here and said that.

1099
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:14,360
Any ETN when the traffic study? I know they're probably not an overnight deal.

1100
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,000
They said four weeks.

1101
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,200
Yeah, it is in process.

1102
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:20,920
And, umm.

1103
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,680
They, they, we have stressed to them the urgency of it.

1104
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,760
So the original said six weeks. We stressed urgency. They said OK, we'll do it for four weeks.

1105
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,840
Any further questions or comment from the board before we open up to the audience? Are there any members of the audience who would

1106
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,240
like to speak on this proposal this evening?

1107
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,520
Yes Sir, please support.

1108
01:06:53,530 --> 01:06:54,290
Sir, I'm going to.

1109
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,800
Appreciate it very much.

1110
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,380
Sir, I'm going to read you the the oath that we give the audience at the beginning if you just raise your right hand and repeat

1111
01:07:03,380 --> 01:07:06,720
after me before.

1112
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:07,760
You proceed.

1113
01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:11,930
I do solemnly swear to speak truthfully.

1114
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,120
If you repeat the word yeah.

1115
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,840
Of course we do solemnly swear to speak truthfully.

1116
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,360
I solemnly swear to speak truthfully.

1117
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,720
During the proceeding of this evenings meeting.

1118
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:30,480
So help me God.

1119
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,800
Thank you very much. And could you state your name and address for the record?

1120
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,560
I live at 4917 Hollywood Drive.

1121
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,240
You're making me do my government work.

1122
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:50,720
So I want to go to a few things so we can discuss and then for three items.

1123
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:54,800
That I came across.

1124
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,720
One it says when it's going board meeting in the small city.

1125
01:07:59,870 --> 01:08:02,630
The 4th acts as a body for disputes.

1126
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,840
Over decisions made by the city zoning administration.

1127
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:07,640
Such as contested maps.

1128
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:09,240
Or interception.

1129
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:12,610
Well, I'll struggle with that.

1130
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:16,040
OK, yeah, call your work.

1131
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,000
Yeah, of course.

1132
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:20,200
This is Marshmallow, which you see on the screen up here.

1133
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:23,160
OK, He's going to have about 150 homes.

1134
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:24,400
Plus in there.

1135
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,560
And this was all forced to drive going into the field.

1136
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,000
There used to be Novantis property.

1137
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,920
I'm sure it used to be slowest property.

1138
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,040
And the body created through.

1139
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:36,240
Vendors property.

1140
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,960
All the water from the highway.

1141
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,000
Route 2 all came down to the district behind.

1142
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,520
Value enrolled on how they can drive, How to do drive.

1143
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:46,880
For shooting right.

1144
01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:50,800
And that calls for 20 flooding problems slow.

1145
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,960
Oliver down and it became just a fuel out there.

1146
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,760
OK, but a question I have here is.

1147
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:02,160
Drawing right here. This is the company that I had back in 19.

1148
01:09:04,910 --> 01:09:06,550
Poor It was 2007.

1149
01:09:08,180 --> 01:09:09,420
And this is proposal.

1150
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:10,840
200 songs.

1151
01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:12,440
That were built back in error.

1152
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,040
Not, not ours. OK, this is not good.

1153
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,520
Somebody else This was turned down by the Township because there was no.

1154
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,200
Egress and ingress coming in out of that property.

1155
01:09:23,010 --> 01:09:26,050
All right, the problem on this property right here is.

1156
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:28,130
And my question is.

1157
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,840
All these properties along how they can drive.

1158
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,680
I'm sure what they're what that's.

1159
01:09:33,460 --> 01:09:34,700
Probably because of the ditch.

1160
01:09:35,650 --> 01:09:36,610
And Marsh.

1161
01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:38,120
Drawing in here.

1162
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,840
There's no wetlands or woman that Halloween gifts at all.

1163
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:48,240
And I guess is that the Planning Board Commission, you know, how can you just say the wetlands today and they're not wetlands?

1164
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,200
The wetlands judiciary, not wetlands today.

1165
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,520
And the gentleman from the city whose name I don't even know what it was.

1166
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,080
No idea, I said this was made by KS.

1167
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:01,440
Engineering Institute for.

1168
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:03,840
He said I don't work.

1169
01:10:04,710 --> 01:10:05,670
And so kind of, you know.

1170
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:08,760
And he says, well, he says.

1171
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:11,760
The land is now part of the city.

1172
01:10:12,610 --> 01:10:14,170
But the ditch behind all of you?

1173
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,120
I love you and force you.

1174
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,400
All becomes the property owners decision to do what they want to do.

1175
01:10:20,530 --> 01:10:23,810
And I don't think that's right because the city has maintained that ditch.

1176
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,960
Since 74 when I moved into that house.

1177
01:10:27,950 --> 01:10:30,950
They came and cleaned it out the first three years because of.

1178
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:34,910
I told the Planning Commission you could take a.

1179
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:40,160
On the corner of Stanford and Hollywood actually floated the new down there, which some kids did.

1180
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,920
Just to kind of show off in here, but how deep the water it was.

1181
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,160
Now the city claims that it's not their dish. They said it was.

1182
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:49,840
Of the town through the Township.

1183
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,840
I called the service. I called the Township.

1184
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,480
Township says the county.

1185
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,000
I call the county. The county seat was the city.

1186
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,880
So we are concerned about the footing problem on this ditch.

1187
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,560
Back in there, we're concerned about the wetlands.

1188
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,040
When I say we, I'm speaking for the people on the street to ask me to come St. tonight.

1189
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,120
OK now not all my opinions but.

1190
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:13,640
Most of them across the board.

1191
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:19,150
It says on #2 the governor public hearing.

1192
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:22,890
Please provide a first for community members.

1193
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:23,760
Develop.

1194
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:25,400
And the stakeholders present.

1195
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,120
Opinions concerned with support for proposed project.

1196
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,120
Of change well.

1197
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,120
We're concerned about egress and egress and all that property.

1198
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,560
Because if he's got 150 plus homes back there.

1199
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,160
With the average form and pressuring that he's in having two carbs.

1200
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,520
That's almost 300 plus carbs coming out of horse you drive.

1201
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,240
On the Hollywood Drive.

1202
01:11:48,270 --> 01:11:52,070
And the Planning Commission tried to tell me everybody was going to feel right.

1203
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,280
Which is how do we go to the right along Westbrook Rd.

1204
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,360
And I said you're wrong, it's all going to go left.

1205
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,120
Down towards Chandler St.

1206
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,800
Sample St. to the schools and drop their kids off.

1207
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:07,720
Several streets to talk on Route 16 on Route 2I90.

1208
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,080
Or downtown.

1209
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,560
There's going to be tons and tons of traffic coming down that street.

1210
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,320
We probably got some of the nicest roads.

1211
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,320
On how you do and remind.

1212
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,760
I mean better than probably most roads in the city of.

1213
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:22,920
We don't want them disrupted.

1214
01:12:23,970 --> 01:12:25,410
Which means, what do you build?

1215
01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:28,380
We talked about this a group.

1216
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,440
That we're talking about trucks.

1217
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,640
What about concrete trucks?

1218
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:33,720
Lumber trucks.

1219
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,480
City trucks involving utility trucks.

1220
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:38,200
Everybody coming down there for.

1221
01:12:39,340 --> 01:12:40,780
So we're concerned about the road.

1222
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:45,320
We're concerned about the instance before you drive, which was every time the range.

1223
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,720
We're concerned about the Dirich behind the house.

1224
01:12:48,930 --> 01:12:50,330
We're concerned about the number of.

1225
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:52,040
Being built highest.

1226
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:58,710
It also says by applying zoning rules, the board helps balance individual property rights.

1227
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:01,400
And it's really interesting talking.

1228
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,320
Healthy and mortgage growth.

1229
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,960
Well, I'm concerned about the judge.

1230
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:07,840
I'm concerned about the roads.

1231
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,080
I'm concerned about the homes being built.

1232
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:11,240
I think.

1233
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,880
I'm asking. I think the zoning Commission should take one step at a time.

1234
01:13:17,670 --> 01:13:19,710
The biggest concern on the street is the dish.

1235
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:21,880
And Sir, if I could.

1236
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,040
If I could just notify we.

1237
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,480
Have asked the audience to keep it to 5 minutes. You're after 5 minutes. I'm happy to give you another moment or two, but just

1238
01:13:27,480 --> 01:13:30,840
just to let you know that you're at that time.

1239
01:13:33,690 --> 01:13:36,410
The wetlands, second of all.

1240
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,600
The world interests in and out of it the development.

1241
01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:41,610
And the roads on politics.

1242
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:43,760
Thank you.

1243
01:13:45,430 --> 01:13:47,670
Can I respond or you want to please?

1244
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,090
OK, so first it's.

1245
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,760
119 homes, not 150.

1246
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:59,320
Wetlands. Wetlands grow, wetlands shrink, wetlands dye, wetlands get worse. We hired ATW that are very wetland consultant. We did

1247
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:04,200
a wetland walk. It's been submitted to the.

1248
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,040
I don't know why.

1249
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:10,880
There were weapons on that map in 2004 and they're not today. But.

1250
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,400
We use a certified wetland consultant to.

1251
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,920
Work with the Army Corps of Engineers to get the weapons verified.

1252
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,880
I discussed the flooding already.

1253
01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:25,290
I committed to Ross at the planning meeting that we are going to deal with that.

1254
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,560
I don't know what it's like. It's like a.

1255
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:32,560
Box culverts. There's a giant culvert that's in his rear yard that.

1256
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,600
We said that we would look at as part of our engineering.

1257
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,040
That's something that happens.

1258
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,100
Once we get approval, it's an engineering related item. It's not something that we could even begin to tackle right now because of

1259
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:43,080
Storm.

1260
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:45,160
Water calculations and things like that.

1261
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:55,240
We the road conditions. I spoke to this planning too. What we always do is a practice for our company as we videotape the.

1262
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,000
The existing road conditions.

1263
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:01,680
We also, depending on the stage requirements, we typically post a depositor bond.

1264
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,320
For for the road, we work with the.

1265
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,680
Police and fire for a haul route for construction vehicles.

1266
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:15,040
Once the subdivision is done, we then review the road and fix anything that needs to be fixed that is above and beyond.

1267
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,320
That's what that our initial video did is for.

1268
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:22,200
We do that through bonding, we do it through deposits, we do it through inspections. So it's nothing that we.

1269
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,040
We're used to it. We do another city that we work in and I don't see why everyone.

1270
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:26,920
Would be any different?

1271
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:34,680
And then finally, I just my partner Jerry, remind me that we we have to go as a procedural thing. We have to go back to planning.

1272
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:36,120
For final.

1273
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,480
And that was subject to the traffic review.

1274
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:39,920
The traffic study.

1275
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:40,720
So, umm.

1276
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,040
But we can't go to council without.

1277
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:46,280
Easy eggs, so they're not happening in parallel. I misspoke when I.

1278
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:50,740
I thought they were in peril of this. It's it's a procedure. So we will go from here to council and then council back to planning

1279
01:15:50,740 --> 01:15:54,560
for final. But the traffic study would be.

1280
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,560
Part of that final decision, right?

1281
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:58,560
And then planning.

1282
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,760
Would come back to us or does the buck stop with?

1283
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,280
Planning the second time.

1284
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,280
And you said the the construction vehicles?

1285
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,600
There would be a.

1286
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,320
They would not be using the established public roads or they would, but not what I was saying was we typically work with the city

1287
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:17,280
service department to create a route.

1288
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,080
Where they want those trucks to go.

1289
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,280
So a designated route.

1290
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,280
Yeah, I mean, most likely. Usually what they do is they look at the condition of existing streets and they tell us to go into

1291
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:28,160
worst ones.

1292
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,680
You know we're not going to newly paved streets.

1293
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,450
But as I mentioned, we're having conversations about.

1294
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,400
Resurfacing streets in the surrounding areas, so.

1295
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,760
That would happen after the construction. Obviously would be would make sense to do that before we serve construction, but.

1296
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,080
No, we work the service department.

1297
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:45,320
To create a construction model.

1298
01:16:46,410 --> 01:16:48,250
They're not just driving wherever they want.

1299
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:49,880
On the streets.

1300
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:52,800
What we what we would require the reconstruction video.

1301
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:56,080
And then a post construction video.

1302
01:17:00,460 --> 01:17:03,700
So I guess it confused me a little bit about. I mean, I know.

1303
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,200
We have to approve the conditional use.

1304
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,200
But you know.

1305
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:17,060
And and and by by approving the conditional uses out of final approval. We still have to go. I know you have to. I know you've

1306
01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:21,160
been planning council.

1307
01:17:24,690 --> 01:17:28,010
Without the conditional use that doesn't necessarily.

1308
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,640
Stop them or someone else from developing the property.

1309
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,560
Some of these same conditions still being an issue.

1310
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,000
Right, but they'd have to do it at R4.

1311
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,720
They they just they just wouldn't do it as a cluster.

1312
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,400
So it could be done with.

1313
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:48,720
Without us even being involved.

1314
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:51,640
And circumstance that you know.

1315
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,760
And just in the interest of time, just to give.

1316
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:55,200
Opportunity for.

1317
01:17:56,770 --> 01:17:57,610
Briefly, Sir.

1318
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:05,040
I just want to say to you that according to the Planning Commission and the children that work for the City of Examples.

1319
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,720
You again for me that ditch is now all part of.

1320
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:12,840
The oldest properties that sit on you.

1321
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:19,210
So I don't know how he comes across the board. I'm not sure. I don't know how he can come across the board and compare.

1322
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,800
Complete the ditch and straighten it all up.

1323
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:22,720
If you don't know.

1324
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:29,610
The other thing on the map I showed you from that 2007.

1325
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:33,320
It was rejected because there was not enough interest in.

1326
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:35,280
Gross coming in and off the property.

1327
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:36,240
Thank you.

1328
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:42,080
On the private property, on the parcel that.

1329
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:42,960
Looking at.

1330
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,000
It's not a city ditch. We do not take care of it.

1331
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:50,610
It's on the property that we have under, correct?

1332
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:54,120
So we can we can make it part of our stormwater system.

1333
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,720
OK. And and just in the interest. Yes, Sir.

1334
01:18:58,490 --> 01:18:59,570
For clarity.

1335
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:01,640
As I understand it.

1336
01:19:02,440 --> 01:19:05,000
You applied for what's called the delineation.

1337
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:06,320
With the federal government.

1338
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:08,480
And then the federal.

1339
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,880
They made a determination of what is what monument.

1340
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,960
What is not? And that's a legal decision.

1341
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,500
Correct that we have not. To be clear, we haven't received our jurisdictional termination letter, but the wetlands have been

1342
01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:21,760
verified.

1343
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:23,480
So it's in the queue.

1344
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,280
I don't care thought what's going on, but our.

1345
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:31,400
The Army Corps of Engineers is changing everything in our jurisdiction was going through the Buffalo office.

1346
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:36,400
Effective October 1st, everything in Ohio is going to be going to the Huntington, WV office.

1347
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,320
And there's a lot of confusion right now as to.

1348
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,320
When it gets handed off, how it gets handed off? Where it gets picked up but.

1349
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:44,160
It is MQ.

1350
01:19:46,790 --> 01:19:50,230
Very good. Thank you. And in the interest of timing I see by show of hands.

1351
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,680
More audience members that are wishing to speak on this.

1352
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:54,760
Proposal this evening.

1353
01:19:57,150 --> 01:19:59,190
OK. I just want to make sure that you're going to have.

1354
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:00,840
That was waiting on us.

1355
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,520
Further thoughts or comment from the board?

1356
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,480
The proposal has enough further discussion.

1357
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:12,790
OK.

1358
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:18,120
OK.

1359
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,200
Close. We're getting Sony districts, our floor and our forays.

1360
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,880
Code section 1270.05.

1361
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:26,120
B2A.

1362
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,360
Slash 1270.06 B 2A.

1363
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,520
Cluster subdivisions are a conditional use.

1364
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:37,360
Permitted only through an approval by the.

1365
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,080
Board of Zoning Appeals.

1366
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,080
The variance requested is to.

1367
01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:43,400
Make that approval.

1368
01:20:46,830 --> 01:20:50,930
2nd And is there any further discussion?

1369
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:56,010
And and just a comment from myself, just in the absence of seeing.

1370
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:00,800
The traffic study wanting to have the most accurate information, I intend to abstain.

1371
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:01,800
From this vote.

1372
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,570
Just until that information would be available.

1373
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:07,520
Just to.

1374
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:12,600
To make the most informed decision possible, so I intend on abstaining from this board's vote.

1375
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:13,840
On this matter.

1376
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:23,960
Yes. Freely yes.

1377
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:25,320
Lundy and abstain.

1378
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:26,560
Motion carried.

1379
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,440
Thank you very much. Thank you.

1380
01:21:30,270 --> 01:21:38,150
But I don't know how to.

1381
01:21:39,940 --> 01:21:46,260
And with that, we have the announcement of the meeting dates for the October meeting that will be October 27th.

1382
01:21:46,420 --> 01:21:50,180
20/26, 6:00 PM at this Municipal Court complex.

1383
01:21:56,700 --> 01:22:00,100
Then I got it where I was out of town, so I didn't respond.

1384
01:22:00,740 --> 01:22:04,100
But because you know with the one issue on Edgewater.

1385
01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:08,180
He sent us that list of names, but he hadn't contacted them.

1386
01:22:08,740 --> 01:22:11,460
It it does seem like contacting.

1387
01:22:11,580 --> 01:22:13,340
Having the building department.

1388
01:22:13,540 --> 01:22:15,140
Tap the neighbors.

1389
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,480
You know, we're, we're trusting that the person's telling the person is telling us.

1390
01:22:20,940 --> 01:22:22,900
He told us, he told us.

1391
01:22:23,500 --> 01:22:25,500
There's a sign, right? Well, I know.

1392
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:29,380
But you don't know that the person live there just because they own the.

1393
01:22:29,620 --> 01:22:33,740
It could be done again. How's the building? The ordinance is already.

1394
01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:34,460
Been voted on.

1395
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:39,580
No, I'm not objecting to that one. I'm just saying no, I'm talking about.

1396
01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:43,020
Did you order the government's account? Yeah, it failed.

1397
01:22:43,340 --> 01:22:48,300
Oh, it did. OK. I didn't know. I didn't know. OK, Never mind what I said. OK.

1398
01:22:48,620 --> 01:22:50,620
All right. Thank you very much.

1399
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:57,510
All right. And with that.