1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,320 We're going 2 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,000 » Okay. >> Ready? 3 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,000 » I'm ready. >> All right, let's start with the pledge. 4 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:49,080 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, 5 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:56,280 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with 6 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,280 liberty and justice for all. 7 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,600 » So, we can start with the initial vote for 8 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:09,680 » No, we've got >> Oh, you got the other vote. 9 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,680 » Yeah, sorry. 10 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:25,520 » We're going to do it here. And here, through here. 11 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,520 That was not all they got. 12 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:31,360 No, not here. Yes, we've got Bill. 13 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,440 And we've got Don. 14 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:44,640 And uh Oh, uh Martha. 15 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:44,640 » Yeah. 16 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:51,080 » And we've got Roger. Mr. Allen [clears throat] 17 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,120 » and Carolyn. >> It's newlywed Carolyn. 18 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:57,640 » Really? >> Oh, 19 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:59,211 congratulations. >> Stupid move. 20 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,040 » Okay. >> [snorts] 21 00:01:59,866 --> 00:02:02,640 [laughter] >> Good. 22 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:06,640 » Okay. Um minutes. 23 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,800 Did I give you guys a copy of the minutes? 24 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,000 » Yes. >> Yes, I got one right here in front of 25 00:02:09,399 --> 00:02:12,399 me. >> Yeah. 26 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,600 » You guys have any comments? 27 00:02:30,651 --> 00:02:34,040 » [clears throat] >> All right to me. 28 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,959 » I'm going to second it. >> Is there anything you want to bring up 29 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,640 before we leave then? >> Yeah. 30 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,120 » What Kirk made a motion? >> Yeah. 31 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,400 » You second it? >> Second. 32 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,600 » Dan? >> Same. 33 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,760 » All in favor? >> Aye. 34 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,720 » Aye. >> Not too many of us spoke. 35 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,080 » Okay. 36 00:02:56,196 --> 00:03:00,840 » [clears throat] >> It works on our 37 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,760 Valerie going on there. Caruthers drain. 38 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:11,360 Oh, okay. Thank you. >> You don't need an box. 39 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,360 » Okay. 40 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,480 Um 41 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,560 So 42 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,920 Mr. Caruthers drain. 43 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,840 The 44 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:34,320 We have 14 drains that we found that started this project. 45 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:40,120 We've got one turned out to be mutual drain. 46 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,120 And then we have uh 47 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:47,800 the Caruthers drain we consider vacated. Um 48 00:03:45,977 --> 00:03:52,680 » [clears throat] >> This is one of the watersheds that we 49 00:03:49,239 --> 00:03:57,000 had that project did for us. Uh 50 00:03:53,440 --> 00:04:00,920 back in April I had to send out a just a feeler to see who all if there's anybody 51 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:05,320 who was really interested in not vacating the drains. 52 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:08,360 As you can well imagine since Dick Chris owns 53 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:11,400 99.5% of it 54 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:17,120 and he didn't want it. And also because that old drain has been 55 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:20,160 filed over, under, and through many times. 56 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,640 Uh recommendation to the board is to vacate 57 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:30,400 that drain. You have to vote on it. 58 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:38,800 Once that happens, then I have to mail out registered letters to each landowner 59 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:44,320 each parcel a landowner a parcel uh telling them of your intent 60 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:49,120 to vacate it and give them uh at least 30 days to provide written 61 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:54,160 objection. If they don't 62 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:56,640 then when we meet uh this fall uh 63 00:04:54,919 --> 00:05:00,160 unless we try to squeeze one in before harvest starts 64 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,440 uh you'll you'll have to vote on it again. 65 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:06,880 And that's the resolution you'll all sign if you 66 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:12,880 continue to vacate it. That's what will be recorded [snorts] 67 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,880 with all the appropriate documentation. 68 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:19,040 » I see. Your initial letter you sent, have you 69 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,600 heard any back back from it? >> Yes, I I 70 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:26,480 It's right here. I sent uh This initial sample mailed out to 71 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:30,680 owners. That was just a carrier pigeon that Dick Chris carried by now. 72 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,480 And then here's all the cards that we got back. 73 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,440 » seen the answers. That's what I just went through. I didn't see anybody say 74 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:38,240 yes they want to >> I don't think there 75 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:41,480 There was there was not one. Uh 76 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:46,440 I did get a call from uh lady over in Kokomo. She's who's been 77 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,200 selling a farm to Dennis. She's on contract. 78 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:54,360 Far as I know there's still going through that process even 79 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,840 though Dennis has held his stake in it. Turned into a war. 80 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:00,160 But she said she would just defer to 81 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:03,840 whatever Dennis wanted and Dennis sent back that 82 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,400 » So I saw him sign on in the back. I said no. 83 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,560 » Yeah. So that's 84 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:14,640 between folks. I make a motion we vacate it. 85 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:16,280 Can I get a second and get my note? Here. 86 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:20,120 » I'll second that. >> There you go. 87 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,040 All in favor? All right. >> Aye. 88 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:28,000 » Opposed? If no one opposes >> Okay, good. First was Pam. 89 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,520 You second it? >> Kurt. 90 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,160 » Kurt. >> That's all we got, isn't it? 91 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,960 » Then passed. >> Yep. 92 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,480 » unanimously >> Yep. 93 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:41,680 » Okay, so my next step will then be mailed out 94 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:50,760 this legal letter back here to back. It meets all state statute requirements. 95 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:50,760 And uh 96 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:58,600 give them an opportunity if if someone would oppose it, we do have to hold hold 97 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,160 a public hearing. >> Yeah. 98 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:03,080 » And then they can voice their concerns. >> Okay. 99 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:07,040 That's fine. >> All right. So that takes care of that. 100 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,440 Oh, yeah. Okay. 101 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,360 Okay, the next one is the I think what I did 102 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,120 Oh, okay. The next one is the uh 103 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,480 Thompson regulated drain. If you got Dana, this 104 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:39,680 is the one that starts there at Kevin Bishop's house 105 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:43,120 kind of across the road, runs down the railroad the 106 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,840 angles off to the west, and crosses the state line. It's all 107 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:52,120 It's all up in the air. Pretty much. 108 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:56,845 Now, I have a confession to make. Assuming that no one in their right mind 109 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:00,320 would want to >> [clears throat] 110 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:04,280 » continue with that ditch, I just wrote the landowners of which the 111 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:09,880 ditch crossed. And would you know it, 112 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:15,720 two of the landowners uh want us to maintain things. 113 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:19,400 Maintain it and start your assessments. >> I saw a couple yesterday. 114 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:25,040 » Uh Well, then I thought, well, now I better 115 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:27,160 make things legal. I had had had Roger build Carolina. 116 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,480 » Thank you. >> Redo the 117 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:35,640 redo the watershed. Uh you can still You can vote to vacate 118 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:39,320 or you can vote to to reestablish. Either way you want to, 119 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:43,919 go ahead and do that tonight. All that does is change which 120 00:08:41,719 --> 00:08:46,480 letter I send the landowners. If you 121 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,240 vote to vacate it, go ahead and vacate it. 122 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:53,240 I'm I'm 123 00:08:49,839 --> 00:08:56,280 99.5% sure we will. Uh 124 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,720 in the event then I'll just send them the vacation 125 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,520 letter and then give them an opportunity to 126 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,280 submit in writing to the board that they 127 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,000 want a hearing on that. 128 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:14,200 It just >> Do you know where 129 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:18,640 on your map here where it is that the people are that 130 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:21,400 said yes, where they're at? Are they at the bottom of it or are they at the top 131 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,839 of it? That's >> I 132 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:28,160 Kurt, you know, >> I was letting him speak. 133 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,160 » It's the two ladies. 134 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,120 Um Wait a minute. I'll go look at this map. 135 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,760 It's uh >> I know where it's at, but I don't 136 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,640 I'm not taking a flyer. >> It would be 137 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,480 » You all cheat them. >> And it's all open ditch. There's no pipe 138 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:54,240 in it at all. >> And best cheat cheat them. 139 00:09:55,080 --> 00:10:00,960 Go back cheat them. >> Which I believe it's this here. 140 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:08,280 So this is This is Joseph the park running through 141 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,840 that. Is that what it is? >> I don't like this one. 142 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,840 » Oh yeah. >> That's north of uh 143 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,720 » This here would be 144 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:31,000 » Who knows? Would they be in Illinois or Indiana? 145 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,960 » Well, their address can be in Illinois but the problem is in 146 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,760 Indiana. >> Okay. 147 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,440 » That's a That's a TIA. 148 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:42,280 » Oh, okay. I was in that TIA. >> Got you. That other one is a line. 149 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:48,520 Got you. >> Which I'm not 100% sure. I know I know 150 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,520 that piece is 151 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,440 » Who It's in the middle of the drain you're 152 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:57,560 still in me. >> Yeah. 153 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,000 » Like Milligan's on the top end of it, isn't he? 154 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:08,720 Top what? Top Top side? >> Uh 155 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:12,440 Yeah, part of it. >> But those are the only ones you see 156 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:16,320 Those are all the cards I got out of all the ones I mailed out. So 157 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,720 » That's where I want to >> Where's the ditch at? Do you know where 158 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,360 it is? >> It's right right along that railroad 159 00:11:26,839 --> 00:11:30,120 track. >> I know I don't see the railroad track 160 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,720 though. >> Can you see it? 161 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:41,080 He's the one track pretty much straight up and down? 162 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,080 » Yes, it runs north and south. 163 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,480 » And then 164 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,360 Is the railroad track >> That's right. 165 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:57,200 You want me I can read you off the names of the people who live in here in the 166 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,360 latter. >> Okay, yes that's the old road. Yeah, 167 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,120 that's it. >> And then this is the ditch and then it 168 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:07,080 goes over here and over in Illinois. >> The crossing is over in Illinois, yeah. 169 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:10,640 So the they American Land Holdings, I'm not sure who that is. 170 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:15,480 Oh, that's the railroad. Then Ingrams 171 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:19,800 1 2 3 4 Redmons Hendricks, more Redmons 172 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:24,360 Hesses more Redmons 173 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,400 » You sent these cards out to everybody in the 174 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,440 » No, I didn't. >> Oh, okay. 175 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,000 » I just assumed nobody wanted it so I just sent it to the 176 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:33,120 » Okay. >> The people who are joining the ditch 177 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,440 » Yeah, my curiosity was I didn't see anything in your past this title. I just 178 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:41,440 wanted to know which way it went. >> I think it went to Quigley. 179 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:44,720 » I think it did too. I'm just curious. >> Bridgets will be back this way. 180 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,560 » Yeah, cuz the Milligans Ingrams are on it. Hesses they own. 181 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:50,560 » Which I knew they did. They take a lot of it that way. 182 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:56,080 » Yes, sir. >> Much more Milligans, much more Hesses, 183 00:12:53,640 --> 00:13:00,400 much more Bridgets. >> See all this 184 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,400 in here. 185 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:06,680 Okay. I don't know where the break is exactly, 186 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:11,960 but I know I know this 40 right here comes across 187 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:14,560 the road to where I found it. Okay. Okay. 188 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:19,080 All right. So somewhere this has got to 189 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:22,480 » And this blue one is the one they just >> That's the actual watershed I had them 190 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:26,520 draw up after I realized hey, we do have some 191 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,640 people who sent back cards that said yeah, 192 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,360 they don't know if they want us to pay this. 193 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:36,760 No. Then we got 194 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:38,160 trying to save the box, but I was wrong. >> Yeah. 195 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,320 » Bit me in the rear end. >> That's what I guess is there'll be a lot 196 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:45,680 of variances in this one and variances established. 197 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,680 » Yeah, which is amazing. 198 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,640 » It's somewhere >> It pretty doesn't go as far north as the 199 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,760 one the red one does. Yeah. 200 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,600 » Makes sense. That's why >> We stopped them out and stopped them out 201 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:04,400 right in here. >> Yeah. 202 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:08,680 I thought it was something like that anyway. 203 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,240 » All I need is some direction from you guys what to do. 204 00:14:10,854 --> 00:14:13,560 » [laughter] >> Yeah. 205 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,640 I thought I wish more of them were here, though. 206 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Always easier if they just take it back. 207 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,160 » And I'm >> But if there's a whole shitload of them 208 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:36,040 together, then it's open ditched and I also get spurred. 209 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,040 » I I 210 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:43,560 » One thing like that >> say well a bit 90% of them would want to 211 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:48,040 take care of themselves and not be in any digital session. 212 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,160 But that's what I thought I got bit, so you 213 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,320 » Yeah. It's like that one that we vacated and 214 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,120 you know, all the whole open ditch is on us. That's one 215 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,560 » What do you mean we can >> It doesn't get a width of the name of 216 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,560 the easement. 217 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:06,400 » Multiple aren't the same owner. 218 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:12,480 » Or I guess there's a third option. I could I could write them a formal letter 219 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,480 and 220 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:18,520 I could just draw a letter saying this is there's vacated and if you you don't 221 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,440 want it, then and we invite them to a the next 222 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,720 drainage board meeting. >> I got a couple 223 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:27,120 » And then come to the meeting and if there's any lot of variances if they 224 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,880 don't want us to vacate it. >> Yeah. 225 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,680 » Either way it goes I still have to send out a registered 226 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,240 » Yeah. >> letter to them. 227 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:40,400 If they have a registered official and that's right in the law. Yeah, even if 228 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,480 we vacate it we still have to give them 30 days. 229 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,240 » Still have to give them 30 days. >> And an opportunity to come in 230 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,520 to meet with us. >> Right. 231 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,600 » No matter what. >> There's quite a few more people on this 232 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,880 list. >> Yeah, and I sent yes. 233 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,120 » So I had to say we need to get a little more info here before 234 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,360 » Okay. Okay, yeah. 235 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:02,640 And so you want to hold off on the formal legal 236 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,640 step and just let me send them a letter to say look 237 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,680 » I think we're going to have to. >> I would prefer that. 238 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,600 » And then then we can go from there. >> Yeah, I just think 239 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,000 » Okay. >> How much of an addition that makes a 240 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,000 difference then? >> Okay. 241 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:22,000 I'm going to send I'm going to put informal letter. 242 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,000 » Informal acquisition letter. 243 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,520 » You land owner. 244 00:16:28,406 --> 00:16:32,520 » [clears throat] >> Okay. 245 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,000 » Pretty easy when there's one or two parcels. 246 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:40,800 » Yeah, that I just I make that a something 247 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,800 » Yeah, like I said the whole ditch was on 248 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,880 got one on us. >> Yeah. 249 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,040 That's easy. >> Okay. 250 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,480 » We got some more disposals and then we're not sure which 251 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:54,000 » 20 everybody >> Okay. 252 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,600 » There's a lot of existing pipeline there too so 253 00:16:57,839 --> 00:17:03,880 » Next thing I did not print off any more copies of 254 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:09,071 Rogers engineering reports because it's about 6,000 pages. 255 00:17:07,051 --> 00:17:09,071 » [laughter] 256 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,959 » I got your reports. >> But it's but it's but 257 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:21,240 All right. But we have to make a decision. 258 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,240 Uh 259 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:27,400 Which direction we want to go. Roger and Caroline have two different plans here. 260 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,800 We just going to have to decide which one we would like to pursue. 261 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:43,360 Or, if you have any questions for Roger or Caroline 262 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:46,880 about this or that or the other or Now's the time [snorts] to get them out. 263 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:50,120 These questions about get worked through it. 264 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Uh, once we make that determination, or if 265 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:59,440 we make that determination tonight, then 266 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:03,080 uh You know approximately estimated how 267 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,640 much cover? >> That's going to be my first question. 268 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,640 » So, on the pipes? >> Did you gain any outlet cover? 269 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:14,600 » We We dug out a lot of the pipes in the field, and 270 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:18,040 they ranged anywhere from 3 to 5 ft. >> But, your your design, how much cover? 271 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,720 » I mean, we It's in [clears throat] that elevation 272 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,720 » We maintain We maintain that same cover. >> Yeah, 3 to 4? 273 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,240 » Yeah. 3 to 5. 274 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,120 » 3 to 5 ft. >> Yeah, even on the big pipes. 275 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,240 » 42-in pipe. >> Yeah, even on the big pipes, yeah. 276 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,440 » That's good if we can get there. >> Yeah. 277 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:34,800 » That's fantastic. >> We uh the reason we were able to do 278 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:38,752 that, if you look on your map at the tail end where the red line is, 279 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:42,200 that red line is what's existing. [clears throat] We've rerouted it around 280 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,040 and got further down the stream, so we're able 281 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:48,760 to get it deeper. >> Awesome. 282 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:52,080 » And that worked pretty well. We dragged it all back at minimum 283 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:56,560 slopes, and we were able to extend beyond 1450 284 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:58,640 and go all the way to that ponded area >> Yeah. 285 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:01,040 » uh to the north, so that helped quite a bit. 286 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,160 Now, obviously, it's going to add to the cost of the project, but at least it's 287 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,920 an option for you guys to consider >> We are 288 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,120 » expanding. >> Yeah. 289 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:10,680 » We'll look into that. >> The complete elevation's in that report 290 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,800 that I emailed to you guys. >> I saw it. 291 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:18,200 » The The whole length of it. We have we have pretty good cover and we 292 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:21,760 maintain the inverts of the pipes that way if there's any laterals we can put 293 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:25,920 that right back in. That was the bigger thing. I didn't want 294 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:29,080 to go higher than what we had. So I don't want to see any laterals. 295 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:33,120 » Yes, we we were in good shape. >> With that much cover I don't 296 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:36,800 believe there'll be any problem with motor semi 297 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,520 damaging the double 298 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,560 wall pipe. >> No. 299 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:46,880 The crossings the the road crossings 300 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:52,120 and the lane crossings, there's a couple of grass lane crossings. I definitely 301 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:55,400 recommend we keep those as as concrete. >> Okay. 302 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:59,840 » But the option to move to dual wall is definitely worth it. It'll save you 303 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:06,000 » That that one lane is technically a road. 304 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,000 » Yeah, I know that. 305 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,000 Yeah. >> Got trees growing up in it but it's 306 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,480 technically a road. >> It's flooded here I'll have to look at 307 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,160 the current number >> So the concrete is stronger than dual 308 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:19,560 wall? >> Yeah, for loading, yeah. 309 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:25,200 » What's what's your thought about like rock backfilling those crossings? 100% 310 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:29,160 rock backfills instead of you know spoil backfill. 311 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:32,400 » That would help. That that may allow us to use dual wall at the crossing if we 312 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:37,720 do engineered fill. That that may be an option. 313 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:44,514 The rest of the pipe currently well 100 years ago 314 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,680 also now >> [snorts] 315 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,560 » grade and I maintain that as well 316 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,680 to save the cost. We backfill with stone all over we're 317 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:56,760 going to increase the cost from our perspective. 318 00:20:53,760 --> 00:21:01,280 I felt that with it being 3 to 5 ft deep that'd be a good bed compacted bed to 319 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:05,160 consider on. But on the road that's definitely an 320 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:08,960 option if you want to go dual wall. Now we do have two road crossings and two 321 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:14,680 lanes. The cost between concrete and 322 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:17,200 Z is not huge. Just for those crossings. But if we want to maintain continuity, 323 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,800 we can that this here. 324 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:25,600 It may end up being close to a wash a little bit cheaper by doing that. 325 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:28,320 » Then I guess another question I had um Sorry, I'm a little late to to meetings, 326 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,400 but um 327 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:34,160 so I I do I'm a contractor as well, but I'm a landowner in this in this 328 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,640 district. Um but 329 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:41,640 you know if you've had a 42-in down here, there's 330 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:43,200 not very many machines that can install a 42-in. 331 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,880 » That has to do with the cost. >> But if you have a you know, you go to a 332 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:51,840 36, we have the capability of machine um installing, which means we can you know, 333 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:56,680 get a radius bottom, we can get a lot better support on the pipe. We actually 334 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:59,360 can rock backfill um a 36-in just up to like spring line. 335 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,120 Um you know, the thought is you know 336 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:08,800 if you looked at it, could could we possibly parallel the existing pipes 337 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,560 down here with two pipes? Um you know, a 36 and a 30 338 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:16,080 » Yeah. >> could would replace the 42 and then you 339 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:20,320 know possibly you know, with cost very 340 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:25,120 similar versus you know, open cutting 100% you know, rock backfill, under 341 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:30,920 digging. I mean, I just because that's a lot of 32-in or 42-in pipe. Um so just 342 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,800 thinking out loud, if you know, if you could possibly install with a 36-in 343 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,680 with a wheel machine um 344 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:42,360 you know, there might be significant cost savings, time and and 345 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:46,680 you know, I don't know. I >> board meeting we had we discussed that. 346 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:50,480 Discussed the split I think we all came in favor of let's 347 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:54,040 not try to split it because if it's not constructed spot on 348 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,720 one of them is going to take more water than the other. That one is going to 349 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,360 start silting and filling in. >> Got you. You have a 36 that's running. 350 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,200 Got you. >> I think that was the thought there. 351 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:05,120 » Okay. >> Um but you you're are absolutely correct 352 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:08,080 on this. If you are able to put them on the split with even and they 353 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,960 both run at the same time and one doesn't split, 354 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:12,560 that's an option. >> But they are hard 355 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,760 » I'm just saying from an insulation standpoint, I guess. 356 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:19,320 » Well, especially with machine insulation, I mean, I know there GPS run 357 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:23,360 and flat run, but having two pipes at the same elevation with that run make 358 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,640 that harder. But it is an option. It's still an 359 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:30,120 option for the work to put there. >> I don't know. [snorts] I've got more 360 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:33,520 confidence in a machine being able to do it than by hand. 361 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:36,080 » I'm I'm a GPS savior all the way. I trust that thing all day long with 362 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:39,320 that. I I'm going to get it set. It's hard to 363 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,800 get it set. The only time I've ever faced with I dug in, so 364 00:23:42,021 --> 00:23:45,200 » [laughter] >> I mean, that's that's 365 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,280 » I mean, just looking at it from a contractor's standpoint, I'm like, oh, 366 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:52,800 you're you're talking about hauling in, you know, several thousand feet of 42-in 367 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,120 and it's like, I mean, I'm not saying it can't be done or it can't be done in the 368 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,840 right, but I mean, >> but it's just 369 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,200 it's tough to get that better than the way 370 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,000 » And there's not a lot of machines that can install 36-in, but there are I mean, 371 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,600 there are machines that can. >> Yeah. 372 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:11,440 » Um, I mean, from an engineering perspective, if we do two 36-in, 373 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,800 I think we should be fine. It's just the decisions that you guys 374 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,680 make. Okay. 375 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:21,080 » You know, this is modeled for 42, you know, it works. I think the 36 236 will 376 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:24,840 be fine. It's just a decision that you guys make 377 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:30,720 later >> I know I stated in my in the last 378 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:34,280 meeting I'm not a fan of dual pipes. Just for various reasons. 379 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,960 » I remember having that conversation. We talked about it for a while. 380 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,520 » I've been putting pipe for 35 [clears throat] years, so 381 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,920 As as the owner, as the owner. Uh, 382 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:53,120 and I just know we've always had problems 383 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:57,080 with maintenance problems 10 15 years down the road with dual pipes. 384 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:04,400 And I, you know, my preference is we put this in, we spend the money, we don't 385 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,280 have any problems 10 15 years down the road. 386 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,920 » Other side side of the coin is you're saving 387 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:17,480 $180,000. Um no, it would be less than that. If 388 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:23,680 you replace the 42 by 36, it would be 180, but since you're doubling the 36, 389 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:27,080 it's going to be saving 390 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:31,280 $40,000. >> Is that $40,000 worth of 10 years down 391 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:35,240 the road? It's not if one of them fails. 392 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:39,760 » On a on a on a $3 million project, $40,000 becomes nothing. 393 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,280 » Oh, that's right. I just 394 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,080 » And would you just If you did run into it, would you just connect those with a 395 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,640 big Y? Is that how you would bring those >> Yeah, like a junction box, 396 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:52,720 a distribution box, you know, something like that where you come out, you know, 397 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,960 one coming in and then split. We've done before, but um 398 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:01,240 » I don't know. Are you planning on doing like exploratory trenching on the 399 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:05,960 opposite side of the pipe? I mean, the new pipe's going in 400 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,640 off the one side probably of the existing pipe just to you know, you're 401 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,320 trenching on top of it at the same time. Then would you be exploratory trenching 402 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,800 on the the other side, you know, to to pick to 403 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,240 to see if there's any pipe coming in from that that Say you're on the west 404 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:23,280 side, you're going to be on the east side doing a like an exploratory trench? 405 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,000 » Well, our proposal is to crush the existing pipe in place. 406 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,200 » Yes. >> And when we're crushing, we should be 407 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,920 able to identify where those laterals come in. 408 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,320 You know, we're not just going to leave a cavity sitting in the ground where we 409 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,400 have some holes >> Sure. 410 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,800 » So, we crush that pipe. Anything coming into it should be identified. 411 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,200 » So, you're actually digging that with a hoe? 412 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,000 » Right. >> Crushing it and then and then 413 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,880 backfilling. >> Okay. 414 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:49,040 I know I've got east and west lateral. >> Yeah. 415 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,760 » So, the kind of to your point, I mean, I understand what you're saying about the 416 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,600 dual pipes, but [clears throat] the dual pipe does allow that you know you're not 417 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,760 missing anything coming in from either side, but 418 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:02,320 you know, and then and then you can just >> On that 6,000 ft, yeah. 419 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:05,480 » Yeah, and then you can run a plow down you can run a top plow down and rip the 420 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,360 old tile up basically instead of having to excavate it. 421 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:12,560 » Well, still though, once you're out of the 6,000 ft for the 42 in you still 422 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,680 have that for the rest of them where where the pipes come in. 423 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,320 » Exactly. >> So, we're going to plow and just rip it. 424 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,760 We're going to rip the laterals coming in. 425 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,760 » Correct. 426 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,560 » You're really reconstructing what they did. 427 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,560 I believe you're right. 428 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:39,160 We did encounter a few sinkholes. We had one big break that run 429 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:42,640 we need to fix this, so we put a steel casing on it and covered it up for the 430 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,320 farmer. Other than that, everything went 431 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,920 reasonably >> The farmer still didn't fix the But, 432 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:53,040 they had no place to go. That water's got no place to go. 433 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:58,800 I don't remember the whole thing. >> Uh just so you guys know um 434 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,520 the discharge end of where that is now, you know, it's up there along the gravel 435 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,640 road at the top of the Matthew property. 436 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,880 Yeah. And uh 437 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,680 I don't know if it's in there or not. We probably didn't 438 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:17,880 put that in there, but there is we did reroute that down basically 439 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:23,000 to the fence line between Matthews and his neighbor to the south. 440 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:27,600 And I did have uh Ethan go ahead and 441 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:31,400 draw up a draft memorandum of understanding regarding the drainage 442 00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:36,600 easement. So, basically it says that Hicks and 443 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,880 Matthews agrees to swap properties with us. 444 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:45,800 That's the bottom line. And verbally they both committed to it. 445 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:51,280 And in return, we agreed to vacate the ditch and the creek on all there up 446 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,280 along the gravel road. 447 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:57,120 They get that and then we get permission to go ahead and get the grand jury 448 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,280 appeal. It's all right. See them take you get the 449 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,280 » Matthews. [clears throat] >> Yeah. 450 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,520 » So. So, we do have that in place. 451 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,840 » All right. >> Ready to go. 452 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,360 If that's If that's where you decide you want to go. 453 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:18,080 » Who's doing that right away? Or that easement acquisition, would 454 00:29:16,740 --> 00:29:20,640 [clears throat] that would that be the Drainage Board attorney? 455 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,520 » Yeah, Ethan. >> Yeah, Ethan Myers. 456 00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:24,720 » [clears throat] >> No, his office is up there on the north 457 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,800 side of us. He's probably doing them all. 458 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,640 » Now, as with a lot of the old legal drains, there's no survey description 459 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,960 here. For the easements. They just default to the state requires 460 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:41,560 75 ft on both sides of the tile. And to the best of our knowledge and 461 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:46,400 digging the field, we'll find where the tile is. So, it's a generic hey, 75 ft 462 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,080 on both sides of the tile. Now, most farmers are going to come in and farm 463 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,040 right off top of it. It's not a big deal. 464 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:55,560 You know, but if you need to go do any repairs, you're 465 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,920 going to pile through. Fortunately, destroy the crops to get to 466 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,920 that easement. 467 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,800 » Which is the same thing he would do if he had to. 468 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,800 » Correct. 469 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,360 » Or you're going to want to tax them. >> Yeah. Yeah, you don't want those lasting 470 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,440 very long. Man, they were going north of Dorris County. 471 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:17,640 Uh, it was somewhere between 30 and a 36. I 472 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:21,160 don't know. It's 22 on me by the time I get it It ends up 36 and I was driving 473 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,400 by one day and then that thing started one day and the next day you could have 474 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,920 lost an entire car in that stuff. >> Yeah. 475 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:30,760 » Whole car. It was huge. >> Yeah, that hole in the ground was 476 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:34,320 sizable. And how many how many loads of dirt did 477 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:38,480 you have to put two or three to fill it in? 478 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,480 » Yeah, I think we had three truck loads. 479 00:30:38,606 --> 00:30:42,080 » [laughter] >> That's what I was saying. It was 1,300 480 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:46,800 or what? >> Yeah. 481 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,800 » Yeah, it was a big hole. 482 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:54,440 » But once once this is reconstructed, once the the tile is shot, this map has 483 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:58,520 bolts on it, we can easily offset that by 75 on each side and then you know 484 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,760 exactly where you're where you're placing them at. 485 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:10,640 » I've never had a >> So, do you you guys want to go ahead and 486 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:14,200 choose between these two plans? Do you want to 487 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:18,440 modify it to do as Mark was saying on the discharge end? 488 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,440 Because then we probably If you want to, we can go ahead and talk 489 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:31,600 about financing first yet. 490 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,600 And then come back to this. 491 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,640 What's your preference? 492 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,320 From my perspective moving forward, it'd be a whole lot easier what you want to 493 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,120 do. But 494 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,726 » I think moving forward is a great idea. >> That depends on 495 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,800 » I want to do this kind of tile project. >> [laughter] 496 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,440 » I've never seen a tile project have be done too well. That's all I'm going to 497 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:57,400 say. I've under done them in the past and 498 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,400 I've never over done them. 499 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,360 » I know one thing. >> I That guy's pretty much just taken 500 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,880 away. In the last month 501 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,600 » you can drive around and pick out the pattern tile fields for this 502 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,120 » But you can't this year. >> Even the non-pattern, just any tile 503 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,560 around. >> If this isn't the year to 504 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,240 convince people what tile does, >> Yeah, it won't ever happen. 505 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,880 » Yeah. >> I tried to get the council So, the 506 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,160 council members tried to get 63 million today. 507 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,360 » I just take pictures for them. It looks like a pond out there. 508 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,000 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 509 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,160 » That's what I'm saying, but I like >> Yeah. 510 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,840 » Yeah. >> Yeah, I don't even go to Harrisburg. 511 00:32:33,232 --> 00:32:38,760 » [laughter] >> I I honestly have many as three times 512 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:42,640 and they're still [clears throat] going. >> It's good for duck hunting, but not for 513 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,640 farming. 514 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,800 » Uh what's what's your opinion on concrete 515 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,952 and I >> Um 516 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:53,040 you know, we've put in >> [clears throat] 517 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:56,560 » a lot of dual wall tile and and had really good success with it. I think 518 00:32:54,400 --> 00:33:01,720 it's only as good as the installation job. I mean, I'll just I personally like 519 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:06,400 rock backfill and big dual wall, anything above 24. Actually, anything 520 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,160 above 21 only uh clear rock backfill. That's just 521 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,520 our kind of our personal thing. Yeah, I mean, we put in 522 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:19,240 a lot of 18 and not rock backfill. We can, you know, we can do that, but 523 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,240 um 524 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,480 I think if it's installed correctly, I think, you know, the you know, 525 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,840 I know you've got N12 in your um 526 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,560 specs. Um 527 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,040 maybe the supplier we use, maybe maybe we you 528 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:39,000 could modify that to N12 or equivalent. Um some stuff like that that would maybe 529 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,280 wouldn't lock you into a certain brand of tile. 530 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,200 » Yeah, we do that a lot. We like equivalents, so we're not calling out a 531 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:49,320 specific manufacturer or something. >> I I believe in 100% virgin resin. That's 532 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:52,680 what we install. That's what I I just believe in it, but you know, you like he 533 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:57,520 said, you can have some really good concrete. The old concrete we dig up, 534 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:02,280 there's some concrete mains that are awesome. They're bigger, longer concrete 535 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:06,120 and really good. There's some that you barely touch and they just disintegrate. 536 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:11,080 New concrete tile is going to be good. I mean, there's no question. Um is it 537 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:14,960 worth the additional cost? I think 538 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,240 personally as a contractor, um I think if you do dual wall and you 539 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,720 install it correctly, you know, you know, that's why you've 540 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:25,240 got engineers that are you're paying them to to oversee the 541 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:29,520 project. Um I think the dual wall is the way to go, 542 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:33,480 especially, you know, maybe maybe you you still go with the 42 and you have to 543 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,560 tow that in. Um, but then the rest of this could be 544 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:41,080 machine installed to me. Um, that's I think it's the way to go. 545 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:45,560 » In my mind it is, but >> I do agree with him. 546 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:49,120 The design plans were always based on concrete. That's why you don't see any 547 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:52,360 backfill, but if you do switch to the HDP, I definitely would 548 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,679 agree with his statement that we probably should rock backfill. Or at 549 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:58,400 least get >> At least a spring line maybe. Yeah. 550 00:34:56,399 --> 00:35:01,800 Yeah. I mean it with thick out radius buckets 551 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:07,160 you can get a good, you know, coat of pipe. I mean I I'm 552 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:10,800 » One of my concern on the HDP is that it can be 553 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:15,320 squashed during backfill. It can deform. 554 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:20,200 And it can you can get high points in it easier. Concrete usually you don't have 555 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:23,840 that problem. Uh 556 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,640 » It does have a little bit more play than concrete. Squashing it, I'm not too 557 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,000 concerned about that cuz these guys know what they're doing. 558 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,240 And you know, if >> I've 559 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,800 I've had a lot of it that I've had to put in and take out because it was 560 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,960 damaged during backfill. >> During backfill. 561 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:43,160 » I mean it's probably the the biggest chance of of an issue. I mean, no 562 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:47,560 question. Um, is that an issue? >> We we require we require that you have 563 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,000 to have you know, to take a mandrel testing of all plastic pipe. 564 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,480 » Yeah. >> And yeah, you could do that. Absolutely. 565 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:57,080 » But that's a lot of mandrel testing. >> And then when you get, you know, when 566 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,520 you get into like depends on the the cut of the pipe. I mean, you know, when 567 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,160 you're talking about taking off overburden and then replacing, I mean, 568 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,640 the good thing about a machine backfill or machine install is that now you've 569 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:11,349 got some spoil that, you know, you're not pulling in these huge chunks of dirt 570 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,680 that are getting dug with an excavator. >> [clears throat] 571 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:16,000 » Um, but it's still it's there's a risk. I mean, 572 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,920 » Is that Is that something you can write into the bid package some of these 573 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,840 requirements some of these >> So, a few of the jobs that we've done, 574 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,400 they've actually >> I don't know. I'm asking you. 575 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,640 » We have installed >> Indiana specs require that plastic pipe 576 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:31,640 mandrel tested. There you go. 577 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,880 » What's that mean, gang? >> Mandrel testing, it's a 578 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:40,560 steel blades and it's it's like a hot dog you're you're shoving through the 579 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:43,840 pipe. It's about a half an inch smaller than the diameter of the pipe. 580 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,240 And you just tie a string on one end, string to the other end, and you just 581 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,600 pull through. And if it gets caught someplace, 582 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,440 » You got a problem. >> there's a problem. 583 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:56,920 » We can also send, you know, because it's new piping, we can send cameras through 584 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,000 it, check all the seams, make sure everything looks good. 585 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,240 » Cameras? >> Yeah. 586 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:06,360 » But they can only run about 500 ft. Most camera setups about 500 ft. 587 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:09,840 » Yeah, our camera is 500 ft. So, while installing every 500 ft, we can run 588 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,360 them, make sure that everything looks good. 589 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,360 That's an option. 590 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:21,280 » So, what they talked about this is 591 00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:23,360 you can write up a bid package and make it make sense to them however. 592 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:28,320 » Sure. >> But you have to realize the more the 593 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:31,400 more complicated the specs, the higher the cost. 594 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:36,920 What you're doing in most specs, you're transferring risk from the owner to the 595 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:39,680 contractor, right? And the contractor has to cover those 596 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,560 » What is his insurance? >> in his bid. 597 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,800 » I mean, you can also put in with like a That's what I was saying, some of these 598 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:53,600 projects, you know, you can determine the 599 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,000 if you wanted machine installed, you could, you know, that can be written in. 600 00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:01,840 Or if it's not machine installed, this is what you know, these are the 601 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:01,840 difference in the installation type. 602 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:10,040 We do have a line item for bond and insurance and I estimated that 5%. It 603 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:15,720 varies anywhere between 4 and 1/2 to 6 and 1/2 7. I put 5. 604 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:19,240 » So, you can spec out the bill wall length of pipe and then spec out the I 605 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,720 mean the up to the 42 in pipe. 606 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,480 » Yeah, everything >> And then write a different specs for the 607 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,320 42-in down to discharge and >> Yeah, we'd have to change the bedding if 608 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,760 we do HDPE. >> What's that going to 609 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,360 What's that going to do to the cost? I mean, it's still 610 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:40,320 » Oh, you're you'll lose cost in material cost of the pipe, but you'll you'll 611 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,320 realize cost in in in aggregate. 612 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:46,280 What What the difference is, you'd have to run numbers to see. But 613 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,400 » So, we're still altogether we're still looking at $3 million. It doesn't matter 614 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,040 whether you go to concrete or it doesn't matter whether you go to the 615 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:55,760 plastic line. Do all right. 616 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:09,960 » I'm no expert, but my I mean, my personal preference is 617 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,960 I just like the wall. 618 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:16,960 Every time I've had double wall concrete 619 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:20,080 » It's easy to repair, too. >> Also easier to tie your ladders in. 620 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,760 » It's easier to tie your ladders in. >> Only concrete. 621 00:39:21,302 --> 00:39:22,760 » [clears throat] >> Okay. 622 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,800 » Yeah. >> I've done it. 623 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:28,400 » You have to pour it and then it has to be clean poured. 624 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:31,920 » So, all our holes >> Just 625 00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:31,920 Yeah. 626 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,022 » There's There's pluses and minuses for both of them. Yes, there is. 627 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,360 » So, we're talking double wall [clears throat] pipe until they get to 628 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,400 the county road, basically. Concrete under 629 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,840 the county roads. >> Unless we do I'll I'll take a look at 630 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:50,320 the depth again. If I have sufficient depth, we could do engineered fill all 631 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:54,120 the way to the top of that we bid. >> Okay. 632 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:58,040 And then the 42 when it starts into the 42-in to the discharge 633 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,880 digging it in and putting double wall pipe 634 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,760 » Pretty much have to run >> and all your own backfill with 635 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:11,040 engineered engineered backfill and do all the 636 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:15,080 special stuff I'm talking about. >> If you do HDPE, all of it has to be 637 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,880 bedded. >> Yeah, all of it. 638 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:21,080 » Yeah, for sure. >> Okay. 639 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:24,680 » So, when you say bedding is that just across the top or is that underneath 640 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:30,520 » No, it's not underneath it to almost halfway through the pipe underneath. 641 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:33,800 » I think Indiana specs say like on a culvert you're supposed to 642 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:38,040 hand fill the base and go halfway to the on top of 643 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,440 the pipe. Ain't what it says then or used to say 644 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,440 that? >> Well, you're supposed to 645 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:48,280 It actually tells you It tells you you know, you're supposed to have the trench 646 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,600 wide enough that you can get a compacted effort Yeah. between the pipe and the 647 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:56,800 edge of your trench. So, you know, your trench width 648 00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:00,480 whenever you use compacted fill has to be 649 00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:03,120 wider because you have to be able to get a compacted [clears throat] effort when 650 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,840 I want to depends on what you're using whether it's you know, 651 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:10,920 jumping jack or vibratory paving or whatever. I wouldn't recommend jumping 652 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:14,560 jack if you're using plastic pipe because you could 653 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,080 real quickly you could bounce right on top of it. 654 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,720 » Is there any issue [clears throat] switching between the double wall and 655 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:24,640 hit the road with concrete and back to double wall? 656 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,680 You think particularly there that >> It's just the gasket. 657 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:34,840 » It's up to you guys to decide. How else you going to decide? 658 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:40,120 » Currently I think within the county 659 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,440 Yeah, we'll walk through there and as long as we're going to have to go back 660 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,880 there. >> Right. 661 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,520 » I agree with you. >> I'm not aware of any rules that would 662 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,240 prohibit us from using them. >> Any help is good. 663 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:58,680 What else we got? >> Well, I mean it's a choice honestly. You 664 00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:05,560 guys make that decision. You know. The HDPE that you know, 665 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:09,040 plastic pipe is a whole lot easier put in the ground. It just is. It's you 666 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:12,160 know, you >> No doubt. 667 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:15,840 » You can pick it up with two laborers. You know, you know, you don't have to 668 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:20,400 have a great big excavator dropping it down in the hole. The concrete are 669 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:24,200 shorter sticks. Plastic pipe are probably at least 20-ft 670 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:28,680 sticks. You know, it's just easier to deliver, 671 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:32,360 easier to get it there, easier to it's it is easier. I I'm not disagreeing with 672 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:37,040 that. Time for construction 673 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:40,400 will be less. >> That's why we give the two options on 674 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:45,160 the cost so you guys can think well of that. 675 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,160 Make a decision. 676 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,800 » I'm fine with plastic. 677 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,520 The only kind I've I've got plenty of good concrete on some Illinois farms, 678 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,120 but also put in 679 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,120 finished in 1916, so they didn't have plastic options back 680 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,080 then. >> And the new concrete is going to last a 681 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,240 lot longer than the old concrete. You know, like you mentioned, some of it 682 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,560 » Yeah. >> you just hit it and it fall apart. 683 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,800 » Yeah. I mean, this didn't even fall apart. I mean, we kind of really worked 684 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:26,200 to get holes in this, but but yeah, it's hard. 685 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,840 » Yeah, from an engineering perspective, honestly, I'm not worried about either 686 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:34,480 option. And I know that HDPE is going to save 687 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:38,065 you close to half a million dollars. Last time I found out half a million 688 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,120 dollars go pretty quick. >> [laughter] 689 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:44,120 » About how many You put this in I'm going to guess to me 690 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:47,840 how many loads of rock would it take to put in it like how much rock does it 691 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,560 take to put in a 20-ft stick, would you say? 692 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,440 » Well, it depends on what you're if you're 693 00:43:51,165 --> 00:43:53,040 [clears throat] >> pipe 694 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,560 » If well, depends on if you're 695 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,200 what the requirements are. If you're just going to spring line and and you 696 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,640 get, you know, if you're digging with radius buckets and you're just putting 697 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,680 basically on the edge of the pipe up to like half of them, then I mean, you can 698 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,840 go >> quick. 699 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,480 » Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to last a while. 700 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:13,040 » Yeah, but if if you're on the 42, if you're owing it in, you got to undercut, 701 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,600 you're putting rock under, now you're putting compacted effort on the side you 702 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,960 want to be wider. Yeah. 703 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,880 » The 42 will take a minute to put in, but then the rest of it will become a lot 704 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:31,120 easier. >> The 42 is approximately probably a third 705 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:35,480 of the length of the pipe. >> So, [snorts] 706 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:40,040 if we start with the 42, is it Is it a Is it beneficial to do the 42 as 707 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,760 concrete and then switch to plastic if you're going to dig it in? 708 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,480 » You could. >> Would you 709 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:47,880 » I I would feel better. 42 in is a big pipe to be in plastic. I mean, you got 710 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,760 to bend the hell out of it and you got to know what you're doing. 711 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:53,720 » I don't think Randy's got some laterals in there. 712 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:58,360 » Oh, I'm sure they do. There's laterals in every acre out there. 713 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:02,000 » I mean, I don't Is that going to be Is that going to add significant risk and 714 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:06,080 cost to us putting that 715 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:10,040 » I don't know. I mean, how in the hell do you tie a lateral in the 42? 716 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,800 » I used to hammer drill. >> That's That's what I was going to 717 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,080 » I would prefer somebody core it. 718 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:29,280 » I mean, if you've got a bunch of laterals running down that thing, I 719 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,320 would say you'd be better off to have a I mean, if it was mine, I'd put a sub 720 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,800 main in there. >> That's what I was going to say. I was 721 00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,600 going to say we would we would just hook in one time on each side. 722 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,080 » Yeah, and sub main it. >> Because 723 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,520 » that way you're only having two connections to it versus 724 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:45,560 30. >> time [clears throat] you open that 42 in 725 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:49,440 pipe up, you're inviting a problem down the road, in my opinion. 726 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:52,920 » And that's just the reality of it. But you're kind of taking that integrity out 727 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,400 of it. I don't know. >> Well, if you're going to do the If 728 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,920 you're going to do that 18 in >> You just put that 18 in and I don't 729 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,840 think you've got anything you can hook to it. So, if you just put it in, you'd 730 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,440 be putting it in from that. >> Yeah, you 731 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,440 » just put it in at turn that outlet to try and lateral as you think there are 732 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,440 out there. Nothing bigger than 12 in. 733 00:46:07,406 --> 00:46:09,960 » [snorts] >> I doubt it. 734 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:14,240 » I wouldn't think so. >> You never know. Most of them are 735 00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:14,240 probably 4 or 6. 736 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,880 » But when you get to talking about just sub-main and then that's a bottom 737 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,840 if you're going to do that, you could probably go with the smaller pipe and 738 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:29,360 then just put new outlets on each side of that instead of sub-main attachments. 739 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,200 And then I mean I'm creating a problem here, but I'm saying 740 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,920 » It's like going to have to just laugh at me. 741 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,320 » But I mean as a farmer, that's what a farmer would do. 742 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,640 » That's right. >> I mean 743 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:42,280 » That's exactly right. >> Yeah, this cost just to be clear. If you 744 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:46,760 look at line item number 10, it says connect existing lateral to the main. 745 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:51,240 Actual plumbing is to be determined, so we priced it for a connection. 746 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,440 If you have 100 connections, you got to multiply that by 100. 747 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,320 » Yeah. >> connection you got to multiply that by 748 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,920 100. >> Yeah. 749 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,920 » Cuz there's no way for us to know that to know that without 750 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:05,400 getting into it. >> And realize this is a government entity, 751 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,880 so we can't we can't >> Right. 752 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:12,280 » shoot from the hip. We we've got to >> At some point 753 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:16,040 » Things we've got to do right. >> I'll hook them up for that much 754 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:19,920 » I'm going to switch gears on you. Future tiling if we can tap we can tap 755 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,840 in. >> Yeah. 756 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,840 » Future tile >> Yeah. 757 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,840 » into the main >> Oh yeah. 758 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,280 » Oh yeah, absolutely. >> That's what it's for. 759 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,480 » You just have to get you have to have that permit to tie in. 760 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,360 » We're up. >> We know. 761 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:36,960 Legally because of this maintained and owned by the county, you have to get a 762 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:41,760 permit. But most installers know that. 763 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:45,520 Unless you're in the wild west. >> Well, we got an ordinance going to go 764 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,277 into effect 2015 and I came out blank one. 765 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,440 permit >> [laughter] 766 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:54,680 » It says the ordinance went into effect, so what's that tell you? 767 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:59,400 » You're you're not you're you're not unique. The county county has drains. I 768 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,200 don't think they've ever got a pipe. Uh 769 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,200 County um 770 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:07,160 runs a pipe shed so we usually gets those permits submitted. 771 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,920 » Warren County does, too. >> Yeah. 772 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:13,240 » Randy should do it. >> Yeah. 773 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:15,720 » I mean, you guys are starting, you know, >> I'm not a long a long run's going to be 774 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:19,200 a >> but you could get at least get that 775 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:21,800 process started so the next supervisor >> Black top Danny and whatever in my 776 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,000 place. >> Um 777 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:30,120 » Black top Danny and whatever in my >> I'm not talking about that. 778 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,120 I do not envy you on your job. 779 00:48:33,473 --> 00:48:39,840 » [laughter] >> He's far exceeded the expectations set 780 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:43,400 prior to this seminar. >> And once those processes are in place, I 781 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,360 mean, they could they could be inherited by the next person, you know. I mean, at 782 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,920 some point Ron's going to say, "I'm retiring." 783 00:48:56,398 --> 00:48:58,418 » [laughter] 784 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:04,840 » Okay, what do you want to do? Make a motion or something. 785 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,960 I guess my recommendation is we go with the HDPE 786 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,160 uh with uh 787 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:20,880 concrete or structured backfill underneath the county roads 788 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,880 and or waterways. 789 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,840 » Option two. So, option two. 790 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,120 I'll make a motion. >> I'll second that motion. 791 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,600 » You don't know what was in the motion. That was just my recommendation. 792 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:45,560 Now, I don't you know, I'm I'm I guess I haven't really touched the 42-in pipe 793 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,560 issue yet. 794 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,600 » I think there's a few things you need to consider. The 42-in what you want to do 795 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:55,200 with that. The crossings, whether you're going to go full engineer fill all the 796 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,720 way to the top of the asphalt, or you want to put concrete there and then 797 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,480 backfill it. So, 798 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:06,360 when you make a motion, I think it would help to be clear on which route you guys 799 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,360 are going to go down there. 800 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,400 » Is the soil like anything like that, don't that play into 801 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,680 that? Nothing on that ground, or not? 802 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:20,840 » That soil, every hole we dug was pretty consistent. 803 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,840 » Yeah. 804 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:26,520 Pretty consistent there as far as soil goes. 805 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:31,360 » Yeah, some areas had 6 in of topsoil, some areas had like half a foot, foot 806 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:33,960 and a half of topsoil, but then silty clay. 807 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,560 » It's not where I live. >> Well, 808 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,400 » That's [laughter] not quite there. >> That's why you need a tile. 809 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:46,200 » and gravel. >> Yeah, you don't need a tile there. 810 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,600 » Make a fortune raising watermelons, couldn't you? 811 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:54,520 » Some areas were really surprised with the amount of topsoil, it was very 812 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,520 healthy. 813 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:09,720 » I was going to be the first. Yeah. 814 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,720 Yeah, what? 815 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,760 I think we Let's Let's go with the concrete 816 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:17,920 underneath the county roads and the in the waterways. 817 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,120 Uh >> Sir, why in waterways? You don't have 818 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,640 any >> I I 819 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:26,400 I just the fact that the cover is probably going to be less. 820 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,440 » The majority of that tile is in the waterway. 821 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:36,240 » I I mean, is there any waterways that cross laterally to the tile? 822 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,600 » No, we have two. >> then I guess that waterway doesn't 823 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,680 matter then. >> No, yeah. The way the tile runs, it runs 824 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,240 along the waterway. >> Right. 825 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:48,400 » The crossings are two county [snorts] roads, two lanes, which one is a is not 826 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,480 a county [clears throat] road development, it's just a grass lane. 827 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:56,000 gravel grass. >> I'm not trying to argue with Dan, but my 828 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,640 concern is switch it back from concrete to 829 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:02,960 plastic dual wall. I mean, I'm I'm pretty 830 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:07,000 confident with the compression fit as long as you get it sealed right on dual 831 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:11,480 wall. I mean, tell me, you guys handle that 832 00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:16,080 big pipe more, but how good of a fit is that concrete into that dual wall? 833 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:19,760 That's my question if we switch back and forth. 834 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,560 So, that we're not creating a gap or a suck later 835 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:24,480 » Suck hole? >> No, most time when you would do that, 836 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:29,120 you would probably have to put a inspection um 837 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:33,080 port as what we would do. We would We would go dual wall up to the inspection 838 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:36,960 port, put an inspection port off of off of the road 839 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:40,200 um with the casting and then and then you would go 840 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:44,040 and then and then you'd go yeah, across the road in concrete another inspection 841 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:48,960 port and then go dual wall. I mean, that's probably the right way and then 842 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,960 you can check your inverts. 843 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:56,560 That's what we've done in the past. >> I I By the time we get four concrete 844 00:52:54,920 --> 00:53:00,760 collar around it You could. 845 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,760 » Yeah. 846 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,720 » I just don't 847 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,960 » So, one one of these crossings one of these crossings is only crossing one is 848 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,160 it? >> No, it doesn't cross the road. 849 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,360 » Two lanes. >> 1,300 crossing is a 36 in. 850 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:22,120 » Yeah. >> And what does not prohibit it and then 851 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:26,040 1450 is a smaller pipe. 1450 is 24 in. >> It's not even that big. 852 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:29,200 » No, I can I can look at the covers one more time to make sure that I'm 853 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:34,120 comfortable with that and if we engineer back for that all the way to asphalt 854 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,160 cap it. I will I will look at it, but I don't 855 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,680 see a problem. >> We crossed a lot of roads with with dual 856 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,400 wall. >> It's the correct way. mean. I've got 857 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:46,400 dual wall underneath I-65, you know, we're working on right now. So. 858 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,480 » I don't foresee a problem, but I just got to make sure that the cover is good. 859 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:54,520 You know, and again, I mean, these roads, yeah, you have a trash truck, you 860 00:53:52,760 --> 00:54:00,040 have farmers running in, but >> Somebody would work at the most in truck 861 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:04,000 traffic just based on superior coats being there. 862 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,000 » But 863 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:13,000 We'll take a look at a at a loading of a full semi. 864 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,840 I think a look of, you know, that that should be fine. My gut feeling tells me 865 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,960 it's fine. >> It depends on whether Carter loads it or 866 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,800 Brent loads it. How much weight you're going to be 867 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,640 pulling. >> I don't know. 868 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,760 » Depends on whether you're hauling into Illinois or anything. 869 00:54:24,557 --> 00:54:27,040 » [laughter] >> So, I can tell you that from personal 870 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,760 experience. >> So, there by your outlet, um, 871 00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:34,720 you know, a lot of times if you're having a flared end or well, I 872 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:38,640 guess it's already probably >> We have a flared end. A flared end with 873 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,640 this >> Okay, so 874 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:46,720 you know, you would go you could go RCP concrete on the first part, make that 875 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,360 that kind of awkward bend and and then as you soon as you got into the farm 876 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,240 field um 877 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,840 or or even past that bend, take, you know, and then and then 878 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,640 » After the 245 >> Yeah, and 879 00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:00,920 you could do concrete to there, so it was all concrete at your outlet coming 880 00:55:00,583 --> 00:55:05,080 » [clears throat] >> do the double 45s till your turn and 881 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:09,720 then as you're going straight line Yeah, and then that would give that 882 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:14,440 landowner a place to tie into dual wall instead of the concrete. Um 883 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,440 » Absolutely, because what we have where we tie in is 884 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,920 very little of it is in the field. The rest of it is all of that wooded area 885 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,360 that is not at the bottom. >> So, concrete would make probably make 886 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:26,720 sense in there. I mean, it would just >> Yeah. 887 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:32,080 And the tree roots will not grow back. It's going to take them a lot longer to 888 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:38,560 get to that concrete than just that. >> Well, we have In our plans, we have the 889 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:43,080 area where the realignment is. I think it was 20 or 30 ft of tree 890 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:47,520 removal for that. Yeah, so we got to keep that lane clean. 891 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,240 » I was saying that's one I would just keep 892 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,640 clear. >> Once it's clean, yeah, just keep it 893 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:58,280 mowed. >> Bush hog it once a year for saplings and 894 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:58,280 » That one, yeah. Yeah, I'm big into that. 895 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,080 » Yeah, but the outlet on this one is a little special. It's not just a pipe 896 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:07,080 going through the creek because it comes in at 90°, so we put a 897 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:11,640 » dissipator or something like that. >> It's a great 42-in 898 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,880 42-in pipe running full of water and >> It's a lot. 899 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,800 » We don't want to end up on the other side of the creek. 900 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,800 » Yeah. 901 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:24,720 Would you riprap both sides of the Absolutely. Both sides of this ditch or 902 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:28,760 the creek running down through there? >> We have ripraps. Well, 903 00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,040 the headwall is a specialized headwall. >> I saw that. Yeah, I saw that. 904 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,920 » Yeah, it's a concrete headwall with these concrete 905 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,920 pillars out of it. 906 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,680 So, it breaks down the energy quite a bit. 907 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:45,560 And then we have riprap on both sides. >> And then this riprap comes in over here. 908 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,480 » If you riprap on the other side of the creek, 909 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:53,240 we could do that. I don't think we did that. We just riprap where the headwall 910 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:57,829 is to protect it. We could do that, but we got to use the 911 00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,520 riprap on >> [clears throat] 912 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:03,720 » Pretty good permitting issues, too. >> Yeah, need some bigger riprap. 913 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:11,880 And I don't From having a lot of missing concrete, I 914 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,760 used to use clean concrete slabs just to put up there. 915 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,000 » I like it all. >> I know. 916 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:19,000 » But >> the farmer happens to have concrete. But 917 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,000 they 918 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,320 I think he's going to push pop back in the woods somewhere. [snorts] 919 00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:30,440 » Yeah, I'm just saying I No, they they frown they frown on it. 920 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,440 They want clean riprap. 921 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,160 » Okay. going to do the first and the second. 922 00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:44,989 What is the ceiling more than to the first and the other one 923 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:47,009 after? >> [clears throat] 924 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,840 » Um 925 00:57:54,560 --> 00:58:02,000 I don't like the idea of running some concrete after that 926 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:05,160 second 45 from the outlet. >> Yeah. 927 00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,640 » And then it's 30 the rest of the way. >> Yeah. 928 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,840 How can you do that, man? >> With engineering backfill underneath the 929 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:17,800 two gutter roads. >> And the the 42-in has to be engineered 930 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:20,480 backfill pre pre wall. 931 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,400 » You good? >> If it's HDP. 932 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:28,080 » That works. I would just do it on the pavement. I know you said there's one 933 00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:33,640 lane there that's taking out the area. I wouldn't worry about that on that one 934 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,640 cuz that's not going to have traffic. 935 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,800 » It's under water. >> I don't know if they're 936 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,760 » It's under water part of >> I don't know if they're on the combine 937 00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,320 still those lanes or not or trucks. >> So imagine 938 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,440 » but >> We don't. 939 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:48,640 » We turn around before that but only if it's fixed. 940 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,000 » And the water's not there. >> Might be a shortcut. 941 00:58:49,835 --> 00:58:53,765 » [laughter] >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Might be a 942 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,480 shortcut over to the other road. >> [clears throat] 943 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,400 » But they're more likely to run over it empty than full. 944 00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,600 » Yeah, most of the >> Yeah, so okay. 945 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:05,000 » That is a difference of 25,000 versus >> Oh. 946 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:08,880 » I put in 85,000 when you use it. >> So what when you guys are loaded, you 947 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:11,480 just get up on the gravel roads and just go out, get on the county roads? 948 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,720 » Probably. >> Most of the time. 949 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:17,120 » That's what I would do. I'm I'm a farmer and I know it. 950 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,040 » We don't just because it's solid. 951 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,400 » Solid. >> But if it becomes solid, 952 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,840 it's a lot easier to instead of turning around out in the 953 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,680 field to get the compaction out of the field. 954 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,320 But right now we turn in the field empty and get on the 955 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,440 We do. >> the other 956 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:36,160 » Well, it's always a problem, right? >> You guys still have that problem in the 957 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,080 rest of the drive being solid? >> Yeah, the rest guys are solid. 958 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,120 » It is? >> Yeah. 959 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,120 We got any problem? 960 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,800 Make runs in the field. 961 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:05,800 That thing is going to help that is, you know, we're going to basically getting a 962 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:08,200 lot of the surface water on the ground. That's going to cut it out. 963 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,800 problem. >> Oh, yeah. 964 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,680 Mentally. >> It should. 965 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:18,960 » Yeah, I had a few breathers designed along the line. I tried to 966 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,960 bias them towards where the plumbing happens, so it'll be a problem. 967 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:26,040 But honestly, it's all about maintenance, right? 968 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,480 The breather and it's full of corn stalks and everything. 969 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:33,240 » Yeah, that was one question I was going to have. Are the I was going to ask are 970 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:36,040 those more for the need to get air flow through the 971 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,000 pipe or they Okay. >> Both. 972 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,760 » All right. >> I biased them towards the low areas to 973 01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,680 where we can get some of that water discharged into the pipe. 974 01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,880 » Yeah. >> But you need to have the air that flows 975 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,360 through the pipe. >> That's what I thought. This much 976 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,520 distance and this much pipe. >> Correct. Correct. 977 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:54,880 » I've gotten to the point where I just like sticking one pipe close together if 978 01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:56,960 I don't have to have an open place where debris to 979 01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:02,000 accumulate. >> Like I said, I I biased them towards 980 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:05,280 those heavily wet areas. So, they can help. 981 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,000 But again, you know, we don't maintain them. 982 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:13,440 » Yeah, bingo. >> That's why I don't run over them. 983 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,440 We can burn them. 984 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:18,200 Some of that's on >> on your right. 985 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,200 That's an off. 986 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:24,200 » That's one of those gradually vacate down St. Bernard's had a metal. 987 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:29,120 » Yeah, metal on the road. >> The one up by 1450 had metal cuz we 988 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:32,277 were picking it up from the field. Um combine or something ran over it 989 01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,040 through that. >> [clears throat] 990 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,640 » You You picked up a couple of pieces but I mean your choice there. 991 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,480 » But I mean this is more This is like a standby which is down there by St. 992 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,880 Bernice. It wasn't It was yellow casing so 993 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,400 » Nelson got fired. Nelson >> What did he 994 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:56,320 » He resigned >> Well, I needed decision on first and 995 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,320 second 996 01:01:56,360 --> 01:02:00,560 one of these plans and proceed with 997 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,360 » It sounds like we're going to end up with a hybrid of these two plans. 998 01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:06,880 » Yeah. [clears throat] >> I I think we should have the concrete 999 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:10,560 from the outlet through the second 45 and then HDPE 1000 01:02:09,612 --> 01:02:13,800 [clears throat] >> Okay. 1001 01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,800 » from there on. 1002 01:02:15,507 --> 01:02:19,920 » [clears throat] >> I agree. 1003 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:24,000 » And that's easy for us to amend cuz we'll put notes [snorts] on the plans 1004 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:27,680 that state that and then we'll amend the quantities here just to show that. 1005 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,160 » We'll put in a motion. 1006 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:44,560 I guess between those two plans I know we've had discussions about dual pipe 1007 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:50,560 at the 42 or just having 42-in pipe and I don't know 1008 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,560 what does everybody think about that. 1009 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:58,360 I'm I'm again I'm I'm I'm not a big fan of dual pipe. 1010 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,720 » I just want it to work the best as long as possible. I don't want anyone in this 1011 01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:10,600 room to have to worry about it for the rest of their life. 1012 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:12,360 » I think dual pipe and then we'll have to >> Right. 1013 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,600 » talk about this again. >> Right. 1014 01:03:13,148 --> 01:03:17,920 » [laughter] >> I agree. 1015 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:22,000 » Well, we'll have some discussion over the course of next year too. 1016 01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:24,640 The one big thing is we got to get the funding. 1017 01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:28,920 » Yeah. >> I will look on on the bedding 1018 01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:32,200 requirements for those 42-in pipes if we going to do a wall. 1019 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,480 I'll see how high we need to go with the stone. 1020 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,640 Maybe halfway, maybe all the way up on top of it. Up on top of 1021 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:46,400 42-in pipe will be a large pipe. >> When when do we need to have these plans 1022 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:51,680 ready to put out for bid? >> We got to have them ready to submit 1023 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:53,560 for grant application. >> Right. 1024 01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,480 » Quickly. >> Quickly. 1025 01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:58,200 » If we're going to make it by next spring. 1026 01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:02,160 And I think so. >> So, 1027 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:04,760 that's the estimated start, spring. It's not a very good time to put tile in in 1028 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,160 the spring. >> Well, 1029 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:10,920 » Contractors would rather be this next summer. Uh 1030 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:15,360 » Yeah, but the deadlines for the grants is what we 1031 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:18,360 got to meet. Once we get the money, we spend it 1032 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,360 whenever we want. We command it, basically. 1033 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,720 We got to make the deadlines for the applications, we got to make the 1034 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:27,120 deadlines for the >> We still know exactly when those 1035 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:30,040 deadlines are, according to the meeting we had the other day. 1036 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:34,240 » Bill, you're up on that stuff. Usually, it's 1037 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:38,299 They're awarding in the in like October, November for 1038 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,320 April, May, something like that. >> [clears throat] 1039 01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,880 » going to be going through Department of Agriculture. 1040 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,840 » Great. >> Right now, they're 1041 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:48,800 uh the guys at Springfield are considering 1042 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:52,800 federal grants. Probably our best rural development. 1043 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,600 » I'm not familiar with timing on any grants. So, ready grants is the only 1044 01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:01,760 thing I've ever worked on. There's nothing open there right now. 1045 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,960 But, I'm not sure what avenues you'd be going down. 1046 01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:06,560 » Well, the one grant writer I talked to said we 1047 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:10,240 have to have it in have to get it in early fall for a spring award. 1048 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:15,240 » Right. >> In early spring for a fall award. grant. 1049 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:21,440 So, those are the time tables we're kind of working at. And then I what I have to 1050 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:25,880 do is once you guys come up with which are one of these plans you want, 1051 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:29,640 we come up with a dollar figure. Um 1052 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:34,560 then we have to make a scientific ball park guess 1053 01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:34,560 of how 1054 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:43,840 put that matching fund in my 2027 budget. 1055 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:47,720 And that's we know I've got bills here so I can maybe get a little bit quicker. 1056 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:53,400 » I I would just I would just go ahead and use the the higher estimate you got 1057 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:56,600 right here for your matching funds. >> Okay, but it'll have to be an 1058 01:05:54,935 --> 01:06:00,720 [clears throat] itemized when we send in the application it'll have to be 1059 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:04,720 or itemized, right? >> Well, you can you can do that and then 1060 01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:09,080 between the time the grant gets approved and the time that we go to letting we 1061 01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:13,320 decided to save costs. >> Yeah, we can do that. 1062 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:17,760 » So, I I would go with a higher Okay, the higher cost with this itemized 1063 01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:21,240 breakdown that he's already provided us for us, the 3,201,000 1064 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,520 for the grant. >> When you when [clears throat] you need 1065 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,560 to come up with a an educated guess for line item number 1066 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,520 10. >> Yeah, that's going to go up. I mean, 1067 01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:34,200 that's a low ball right there. It's just a 1068 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:38,200 » And that's the other thing, you know, once we get this grant 1069 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,640 even though the contract says we pay additional money to the contractor, 1070 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:44,400 there's not going to be any additional money there for us to use. It's going to 1071 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:48,240 come out of the county. >> That was my question. 1072 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:50,960 » What mechanism do you have for overruns? >> It's [clears throat] it's there for the 1073 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:54,400 grant. There is none. >> And that's what I that's what I 1074 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:57,360 » once you spend the amount of grant there is no additional funds. So, overruns has 1075 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,320 to come out >> of our pocket. 1076 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,920 » I got out of the county. 1077 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:07,280 » I can't put a factor of safety on these costs. These are actual close to actual 1078 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:11,200 costs. I can do an engineering safety on them. 1079 01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:13,880 Like a 1.2 or 1.3 million. >> I would say 1080 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:26,400 For item 10, I would I would I would say an 1081 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,400 estimated Well, how many miles is it? 1082 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,360 » It is 1083 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,440 How many linear feet? >> 15,000 linear feet? 1084 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,560 » I'm I'm I'm trying to >> It's about 15. 1085 01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,720 » Yeah, it's about 15. >> I'm looking at the length of your 1086 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:44,960 crushed pipe. 15,000? >> 15,500, yeah. 1087 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,960 » So 1088 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:53,080 » Well, it's more than that because if we add anything north of 1450, that's all 1089 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:57,600 additional. Which is 1090 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:59,720 another 18 in ch 1091 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:06,840 another 3,000 3,000 ft. So, you're looking at 1092 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:12,120 about 19,000 19,000 ft 1093 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:17,359 Almost a mile >> I would say put 30 in there. 1094 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:21,200 Just just you know, I mean, probably will be end up being more, but at least 1095 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:22,759 we have cost in there to cover some of it, I guess. 1096 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:27,720 » 30 what? >> Oh, for an item 10. And I think that's 1097 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:32,040 the connections laterals. I'm just throwing out a 1098 01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:34,480 a suggestion. >> It was an example. 1099 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,520 » I was just trying to think. I know I've got 1100 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:40,160 » How many do you have? >> Two coming from the east. 1101 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:46,240 Four from the west I'm aware of. That's six on the books. 1102 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:51,279 » And what percentage of this your farm hookup is water? 1103 01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:54,720 » Uh it's from uh from 1104 01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,720 13 to 1105 01:08:55,000 --> 01:09:04,160 half a line. >> Right? 1350 to 1370 line. 1106 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:07,279 » 1,300 to 1,350. So, that's that's a lot. Half mile. 1107 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:10,960 » Half mile. Half mile. >> You said you have six years. 1108 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:14,319 » I think it. >> Maybe 30 is about the right number. 1109 01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:19,920 » Very likely. >> Just throwing [clears throat] something 1110 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:23,120 out there to try to cover some costs and over. 1111 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:25,080 » I understand that the quantity one is just to preserve the length. I 1112 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:29,240 understand that. >> No, it's also to build a budget. 1113 01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:32,600 » Well, now I'll multiply by 30 if I assume 30. 1114 01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:34,359 Then we can multiply that. That number 1115 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,680 over. >> Factor of safety, what do you want me to 1116 01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:40,359 put on it? >> We're talking about funding and the 1117 01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:44,560 not to end up with the county holding the bag if they go as overage. 1118 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:48,960 Um I can do a 1.3 multiplier. 1119 01:09:46,839 --> 01:09:53,040 That's fairly safe. If we bust by 30% we're going to have 1120 01:09:50,759 --> 01:09:53,040 problems. 1121 01:09:53,560 --> 01:10:00,720 » Yes, six per half mile. And so you got that by 1122 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:03,920 three half miles and four mile stretch. 48. 1123 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,440 Yeah. 24. 1124 01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:12,640 » How many? >> In action. 1125 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:16,600 I don't know what I mean. Existing is >> I'm not talking about existing. 1126 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:18,720 I'm not over here. >> Quite a few. 1127 01:10:17,480 --> 01:10:22,000 » Yeah, but we're probably going to sub that in. We're talking about 1128 01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,440 » I was talking the factor of safety not only for a number of time. 1129 01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,840 » He's a ball park. >> Yeah. 1130 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,840 » He's talking about factor of safety just to over 1131 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,680 » average. >> Yeah. 1132 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:37,560 I'll make sure that we don't you know, the county doesn't end up holding the 1133 01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,560 bag. 1134 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:43,320 » Interesting. >> Yeah. 1135 01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:47,480 I'm I'm going to do 1.3 until somebody else tells me no. 1136 01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:50,560 » That's pretty high, but that's that's >> It is pretty high. 1137 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,880 But at least it covers you and then you know. 1138 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:59,569 » You want me to have this put in the form of a motion by the way. 1139 01:10:57,549 --> 01:10:59,569 » [laughter] 1140 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,960 » So 1141 01:11:02,134 --> 01:11:04,154 » [clears throat and cough] 1142 01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:10,120 » I I think that we 1143 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,480 keep the 42-in throughout. 1144 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:20,120 We Not throughout. Where he's shown on the 1145 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:26,880 plans. Okay. We uh have concrete from the outlet to 1146 01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:29,000 through the second 45. >> I got 1147 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:33,440 » north of the outlet. >> Got that. 1148 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:37,520 » HDPE from there on. Uh 1149 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:40,720 We have uh 30 laterals connected. 1150 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:45,120 » Got that. >> And we 1151 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:49,520 Would you say 1.3? >> Unless you feel differently. I just 1152 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:55,800 » 1.3% uh safety factor for cost overruns. 1153 01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:55,800 » Got that. 1154 01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,160 » And I made that motion. 1155 01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:06,600 » Yeah, I'll second. >> Okay. Do Do you have any problems? I 1156 01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:10,480 mean, I'm just >> No, I just told Brent. I mean, I You're 1157 01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,360 You're the You do this all the time. 1158 01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,160 » Yeah. >> As a farmer and a drainage guy that's 1159 01:12:14,440 --> 01:12:20,640 putting in my own drainage, I know what I do. I'd split it and keep both down 1160 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,720 cuz I'm pretty confident that I can do it. 1161 01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:29,000 And just not have to pay the extra 1162 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,920 » If you guys would prefer that, then I don't have a problem with you guys 1163 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,760 saying that. >> That's my own my own 1164 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,040 » I'm I'm I'm >> I appreciate 1165 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:40,640 » I'm the engineer >> No, I mean, I'm I'm I got confidence in 1166 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,320 your decision and I don't I don't think I 1167 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:45,840 » I've been in heavy highway construction for 35 years. That's just, you know, and 1168 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:48,840 I've always dealt with the owner's side of things, you know, not on 1169 01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,560 » Uh-huh. >> Uh 1170 01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:54,480 so >> So, could some of those 1171 01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:59,080 decisions be more I mean, to get your budget, can some of those be like it 1172 01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:02,280 could an alternative when it comes closer time to the LED light that you're 1173 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:07,280 talking about? I mean, you made the motion for, you know, doing 1174 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:10,800 HDPE, but, you know, does some does that do those details connect 1175 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:14,960 change at any point or are we set in stone now? 1176 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:19,720 » No, they're subject to change. The short of it is we have to get our 1177 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:23,960 our bid document pretty close to ready so we can get 1178 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:26,360 the process started to get the grant. >> If you want to split the box 1179 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:31,240 » If we don't get the grants, we don't have the money money to do the job. 1180 01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:37,080 » If you want to split the box beyond that 42-in going to the 245, want to split 1181 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:42,120 the remaining 42, you need to tell me so I can model it 1182 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:44,960 and make sure it works. >> And that's going to 1183 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:48,960 we're going to pay him more money to do that cuz that's he's We've already paid 1184 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,400 him for for this right here. >> right here. 1185 01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:56,720 » I need to make sure that we're not making a decision just on a whim saying, 1186 01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:01,120 "Yeah, I think we should split it." >> Uh-huh. 1187 01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:05,280 » I want to put the division. >> I'm I'm coming from the standpoint 1188 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:09,880 of going through all these records of this 1189 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:15,200 county and all the screw-ups and save a nickel here and 30 years down the road 1190 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:19,040 it costs $100,000. Perspective. And that's kind of where 1191 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:22,960 we're at with this thing. And it happens time and time and time 1192 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:27,760 again. And but, you know, for my perspective, I'd 1193 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:31,280 rather see the 42-in and have confidence that 1194 01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:34,160 long after all of us are dead and gone, it's still working. 1195 01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:41,520 That's that's >> I agree, but we can we can we can 1196 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:46,480 engineer and design anything to the to the T and if it's not put in correctly 1197 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:50,280 » Right. >> you know, we're 1198 01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:54,240 you know, we've absolutely got nothing. So 1199 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:57,920 » want us to take a look at where the 36 come in? 1200 01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:00,960 Put a junction box and run two 36s 1201 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,360 to see if it works. 1202 01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:08,720 » I think that's kind of what these guys are saying they'd like to do. 1203 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,720 » Well, I'm just 1204 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:18,440 I mean, I don't know what a 36 1205 01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:21,440 What does a 36 look like? >> 13733 1206 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:28,080 » I think it was a little >> How are the costs of the three? Are they 1207 01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,640 reasonable in comparison to how they were before? 1208 01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:35,520 » I mean, for us it's on the high side, but we're not 1209 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:39,840 but traditionally we're non-union company doing ag drainage, so but when 1210 01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:43,680 you're talking about prevailing wage and all, I mean, I understand that, but I 1211 01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:46,160 think that it's on the higher side of the cost. 1212 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:47,920 » That's a good answer. >> Get it. Cuz I'd rather be on the high 1213 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,600 side. >> Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 1214 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,800 » can technically under Once we get it Once we have the 1215 01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:57,640 » Yeah, we can Once we get the money, we can pretty much change We can do a lot 1216 01:15:56,200 --> 01:16:01,280 of changing without violating the grant. 1217 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:05,040 » And he's got And I don't know if that's going to affect the way he's 1218 01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,800 going to install it. >> He's got to 1219 01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:10,160 » He's got to be a competitive bidder. He doesn't want to lose one just by saying, 1220 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:13,920 "Oh, I know the numbers. I'm going to go over there." 1221 01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:18,120 » I mean, that, you can't you can't I mean, using those numbers, you can't 1222 01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:22,920 split it up. I mean, even if you run a 36 and a 30, you're still 1223 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:25,960 » But you're doubling the the 36-in pipe though in that run, so you have to 1224 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,600 understand >> Yeah, what he's saying is it's actually 1225 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,280 going to cost more. >> Yeah. 1226 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:33,920 » But I'm saying if you can machine install, 1227 01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:36,440 then that could make your cost >> I mean, I don't 1228 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:39,680 » down quite a bit on that. That's that's something I'm saying. 1229 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,680 » Yeah. 1230 01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:47,280 » Well, that's a decision that we once we get to dollars. 1231 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,720 Really, when you get right down to it, can we? 1232 01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:52,840 I mean, as long as you're comfortable that the water will flow through the 1233 01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:57,720 pipe, then then when we get ready to bid, then 1234 01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:02,520 if we have to make a decision between the 236s or How about this? We we just 1235 01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:05,480 have him do what we just said, concrete through the second 45. 1236 01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:10,040 » Yeah. >> HDPE everywhere else, all 42-in, and 1237 01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:13,680 then at the right, you know, >> We after we get the money and we get 1238 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:17,240 closer to bid, we can go back to him and say, "We'd like for you to revise 1239 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:19,960 these." And pay him additional cost at that time to do that. 1240 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,520 » Yeah, it works. It works. And if it doesn't, yeah. 1241 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,120 » It'd be like a second option or something, maybe. 1242 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:29,880 » Yeah, we could do that. I mean, we can put even in the bid as a as an 1243 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:33,800 alternative, a non-binding non-binding alternative, 1244 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:37,720 236-in central, assuming they would work. Again, I got to design them to see 1245 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:42,880 and model them to see that they do work. But we can put that as an alternative 1246 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:47,600 for you guys, so you can have that cost. >> We need to vote on that motion. 1247 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,960 » So, you have a solid motion? I mean, you >> Well, I've got first and second, but I 1248 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,880 don't have the both. >> All right. All in favor? All right. All 1249 01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,600 right. Any opposed? 1250 01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:03,960 » Opposed to that. >> Okay. Now, let's talk about some money. 1251 01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,960 Is that where we're at? 1252 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:10,560 Okay. We started out, 1253 01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:14,680 let's do the engineering. Couldn't find anything in Indiana, so I ended up going 1254 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:19,880 through the University of Nebraska. And I had a list of about 40 companies 1255 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:25,280 that were ag related. Of those 40, 1256 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:29,960 30 of them only worked in Nebraska. Uh of the 10, 1257 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:36,160 uh we contacted five. Of the five, three 1258 01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:40,560 were interested, and since that time, two have dropped out. 1259 01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:46,120 and so we're we are left here with MEC, which is Martin Engineering in 1260 01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:48,640 Springfield, Illinois. They 1261 01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,800 have proposed that Ben and I met with them on Zoom cuz I 1262 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:55,160 figured all you guys would still be in the field. 1263 01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:00,800 Was that last week, Dan? It was last week. 1264 01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:05,680 What they're proposing is for their flat I like their rates run anywhere from 150 1265 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:11,120 to uh 150 is the high per hour. 1266 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,120 Uh 1267 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:20,160 to do the research to say, "Okay, you apply for you can apply for 1268 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:24,880 uh this much uh rural development money. You can apply for this much Oprah money. 1269 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:29,680 You can apply for this much whatever tree-hugging money from 1270 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:35,560 the Indian reservation, whatever it is, and put together a package for us." 1271 01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:40,240 What they can't tell us is 1272 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:46,080 what the estimate for matching funds. 1273 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:52,560 Did I say that right? They can't tell us what their total costs are going to be 1274 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:59,560 for their professional services to to to seek and pursue grant funds. Right. It's 1275 01:19:56,040 --> 01:20:03,400 just per hour rate. Right. So, 1276 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:07,320 in our in our budget for professional services, it's for the remainder of the 1277 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:12,840 year, and we have $23,751. 1278 01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:17,040 We asked him what his estimation was, and it was he thought it was around 1279 01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:21,080 20,000 at the most at the high end. And the one girl out in Pennsylvania we 1280 01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:25,280 was talking to about about out he said 16. 1281 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,280 So, 1282 01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:31,520 they're they're in the ballpark. 1283 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:37,800 So, what we need is they vote to proceed with hiring MEC 1284 01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:41,640 under I got to get this on the record. Indiana code 36-9-27-30 1285 01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:49,280 to allow me to hire them to pursue our funding for us 1286 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:54,120 at this point. Then 1287 01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:58,840 if they come up with a plan, then we'll have to rehire them at 27 1288 01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:02,280 under a separate contract actually write the grants and 1289 01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:04,360 do all the double publishing and all that. 1290 01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:07,800 So, that's where we're at now. 1291 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:13,040 » I'm pretty much the only one. >> We're the only one that's left out of 1292 01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:15,440 the list that I started with. [snorts] >> Fair enough. 1293 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:20,520 And you don't like their Bible then. 1294 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,760 » I don't know anything about it. I don't I don't 1295 01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:26,720 » You don't have a choice. >> They're He's licensed in Indiana, so the 1296 01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:30,520 guy that we talked to. >> And there's none in Indiana? 1297 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,160 » Well, I'm sure there are. None of the None of the people that the county 1298 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:36,680 usually would use was even interested. They wouldn't 1299 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,080 talk to me. Christy Gerold was another one. 1300 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,920 » Okay. >> So. 1301 01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:45,480 » Fair enough. >> They They Their perspective was Indiana 1302 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:48,800 doesn't have any money and Wayne County sitting on too much cash, you won't get 1303 01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:51,800 any money. Uh but these guys said, "Well, if you go 1304 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,760 through the federal program 1305 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:59,040 » Got you. >> You got us more. Which is what they 1306 01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:03,440 asked us to get some They asked us and this was brief One of the things I 1307 01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:06,880 wanted to ask Bill uh They were talking about the LMI numbers, 1308 01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:14,960 Bill. They said, "The federal grants LMI SD 1309 01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:19,400 block groups. The amount of funding we can get depends upon the LMI numbers." 1310 01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:22,400 Are you familiar with the >> know what those are. 1311 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:26,880 Or maybe you Do you know what they are? 1312 01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:31,720 » No. I but Scott Craig sent me the LMISD by block groups. 1313 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,880 Uh last census for May and County. 1314 01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:44,000 And it comes up with a low 205 up to a 1315 01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,520 a low 1316 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:54,440 modular something 1070. So, I don't know what 1317 01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:58,080 these numbers mean. I have no idea. He did one for He did one for Highland 1318 01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:02,840 Township and then he did one for the county as a whole. 1319 01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:07,200 » There's There's what's called the census census groups or census categories that 1320 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:09,640 that it's eligibility dependent upon the income level of the 1321 01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:13,040 » I I That's what this is. >> That's what this all 1322 01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:16,480 is. This is income level and they He was asking what whether we thought 1323 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:20,680 it's best we localize just in the drainage area or use the whole county. 1324 01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:24,280 And he was probably suggesting the whole 1325 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:28,720 county because sometimes if you use just just the 1326 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:33,240 drainage area, which is usually a farming community, it might 1327 01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:37,880 » income per head household >> income per head household per 1328 01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:41,880 the entire [clears throat] >> If you include Clinton, I've seen some 1329 01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:45,560 stats that Clinton median income is lower than the 1330 01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:49,400 county's median income. >> Okay. And that may be 1331 01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:55,320 » diluted by a little bit. >> So, anyway, we need a motion to 1332 01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:55,320 finance or 1333 01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:01,800 Well, I I think we're all in agreement that we want to pursue this this 1334 01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:08,360 » We don't have a choice, do we? >> this 1335 01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:13,240 drain, so I think we need to pursue trying to get m- funding for it cuz 1336 01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:15,960 currently we don't have any funding in this 1337 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,640 drain funds. >> No. 1338 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,400 » There's zero. >> Well, no. We 1339 01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:23,120 At the end of the year, we'll have $2,500. 1340 01:24:22,553 --> 01:24:26,800 » [laughter] >> I right. All right. Yeah, first 1341 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:31,720 collection we'll have $2,592. 1342 01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:34,360 » Okay. So, I'm just 1343 01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:37,960 » Of that, only 10% can be used for reconstruction. 1344 01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:41,360 » All right. So, anyway, 1345 01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:45,360 so I believe we we have to pursue we have to pursue 1346 01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:50,080 whatever grants we can get, okay? Unless the unless the council's willing to 1347 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:54,480 give us non-matching funds. >> That's my next 1348 01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:58,120 next thing to talk about. >> So, I 1349 01:24:56,440 --> 01:25:01,120 I I make I make a motion we sign the paperwork and 1350 01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:07,920 and have them pursue with the understanding they can't go over our 1351 01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:11,800 amount of professional services money that we're allowed to spend. 1352 01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,800 Okay. 1353 01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:22,600 » I mean, I don't I don't stop with them. I don't see if we got another option. 1354 01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,600 » I mean, okay. 1355 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,640 Need a vote. >> I. 1356 01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,600 » I. >> All in favor, I. 1357 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:32,680 » Okay. So, I'll take care of that. 1358 01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:39,899 Bring this to you. And just make sure I got this done. 1359 01:25:37,879 --> 01:25:39,899 » [snorts and clears throat] 1360 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:50,920 » When it comes to the matching funds, there's two routes. 1361 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:55,880 The Indiana County Surveyors Association is a big proponent of establishing a 1362 01:25:53,720 --> 01:26:00,160 general drainage fund. And then getting the council, the 1363 01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:07,160 commissioners, economic development, redevelopment, 1364 01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:11,040 county farm, whoever to kick money in and build a cash reserve up into that 1365 01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:15,880 fund that is administered by the council 1366 01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:19,880 and that the council would loan the drainage board 1367 01:26:17,480 --> 01:26:24,760 to come up with matching funds. And then 1368 01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:28,480 the assessment from the landowners plus 1369 01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:35,040 would be based on that and and we would repay that county fund at 1370 01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:40,080 whatever the the fee is plus interest for however many years it takes 1371 01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:44,040 to pay that cash balance off to the county. 1372 01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:48,680 The advantage of doing that is number one 1373 01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:52,360 we're paying interest back to the county. We're not paying it to a bank 1374 01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:57,080 somewhere. The other advantage is Indiana Land Bank 1375 01:26:55,400 --> 01:27:05,280 and most of these uh firms who are doing drainage loans 1376 01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:05,280 are a maximum 5-year term. 1377 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:17,760 But Craig, who's the attorney for the council, is a strong proponent of bonds 1378 01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:21,440 and issuing bonds. I don't know combination short-term 1379 01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:25,800 long-term bonds. And I'm not exactly sure what the terms 1380 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:30,280 are on those. He's done a lot of those for the city Terre Haute and oh, he did 1381 01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:34,160 it for Dana for the water for the Dana got the new water tower. 1382 01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:39,880 I think that he did it for Dana water tower and things like that. 1383 01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:44,840 Uh so, to raise cash for the matching funds doing 1384 01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:50,360 bonds. Now, to go through the bonds they you got a lot of legal fees that 1385 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:54,280 goes with writing the bonds up, issuing the bonds, marketing the bonds, 1386 01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,680 administering the bonds and all that kind of stuff. 1387 01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:07,480 And also uh also I don't know that we actually have any 1388 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:10,080 money in the TIF fund that is there yet. Do we know? 1389 01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:13,520 Cuz there's not been [clears throat] any investment there yet. 1390 01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,520 » Is that a 74 area? >> Yeah, there's no there's no TIFF revenue 1391 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,120 coming in. >> There's no there's no money there. So, 1392 01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:20,440 that's not >> It's been It's been no no no incremental 1393 01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:23,840 taxable properties. >> So, that's not nothing we can count on. 1394 01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:27,120 » We'd like to get some development up there by the way, Scott. 1395 01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:29,400 » Hey, if we don't get rid of the water, ain't nobody going to go over there. 1396 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:33,440 » Yeah, that's that's the reason I'm coming to the meetings. 1397 01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,440 » So, 1398 01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:40,840 what I would probably do, depending on what MEC 1399 01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:45,040 says, uh is come back to the board and ask 1400 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:50,800 that the board to to make a formal request of the council 1401 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:54,600 to do bonds or to do the general revenue bonds or 1402 01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:59,720 whatever part of we decide to come up with as 1403 01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,720 matching funds. 1404 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:07,000 The one girl that I really thought was going to jump on this for writing the 1405 01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:10,240 grant, she says you need to figure at least 25%. 1406 01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:17,640 matching funds. But, a lot of cases, 1407 01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:22,000 that's too much. But, if you have any kind of federal 1408 01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:26,120 money mixed in with that, sometimes that gets cleared out to 50% match. 1409 01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:33,640 So, uh 1410 01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:38,080 anyway, just so you know that when I send in my budget for 2027, which was 1411 01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:42,080 due last week, they gave me permission to 1412 01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,817 to turn it in before the end of the month because of 1413 01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:49,080 this meeting. >> [clears throat] 1414 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:49,080 » I'm going to have to come up with a 1415 01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:56,760 estimate for that matching funds. So, it sounds 1416 01:29:53,800 --> 01:30:00,880 like it's going to be 3.2 million. 25% of the 3.2 million. 1417 01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:08,760 So, I'm going to be requesting So, when it comes time to present the 1418 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:13,400 budget to the council. I may need some uh 1419 01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:13,400 few uh board members to come with me. 1420 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:19,480 The more people we have, the better show we got. 1421 01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,480 Okay. 1422 01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:22,480 Uh 1423 01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,800 Anybody got questions on any of that? 1424 01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:33,240 » Do you have a backup plan? >> Well, 1425 01:30:34,440 --> 01:30:38,800 Clinton County >> Wait till we get the matching funds for 1426 01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:45,200 this deal. >> Yeah. Clinton County has done some deals 1427 01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:50,800 where the individual land owners 1428 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,800 have financed it. 1429 01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:54,040 Uh that's my 1430 01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,160 And I'm Yeah, 1431 01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:59,200 just hang on. I'm [laughter] dying. Don't have a heart attack. 1432 01:30:59,488 --> 01:31:02,108 » [clears throat] >> Uh 1433 01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,640 in return >> [snorts] 1434 01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:07,480 » uh for uh some abatement, but they were doing 1435 01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:10,080 smaller, you know, 1436 01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:14,800 projects. But that there is some 1437 01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:18,200 some things that other counties have done out there 1438 01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:22,800 uh and until we know what these guys 1439 01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:26,480 can come up with for us, I really don't know what the plan B will be. 1440 01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:30,200 » You don't have an idea. >> It's going to take a long time to 1441 01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:33,280 collect enough assessments to do it. >> Yeah. 1442 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:37,160 » $2,500 a year. >> That's [clears throat] exactly right. 1443 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:38,600 » So his grandkids still qualify. >> I'm not worried about that. I'm not 1444 01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:42,063 worried about it. >> So it's it's not a problem. 1445 01:31:40,098 --> 01:31:45,040 » [clears throat] [snorts] 1446 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:45,040 » I don't think so. 1447 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,080 » What are you wanting from us, I guess is what I'm trying to 1448 01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,560 » Nothing yet. I'm just laying the groundwork. 1449 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,480 » Okay. >> Yeah. [laughter] 1450 01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:56,000 » He's just telling you you're going to show up to a meeting and ask for 1451 01:31:54,680 --> 01:32:00,480 $800,000. >> Okay. 1452 01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:05,280 Uh the other thing is the update on the reestablishing the Rausch Drain. 1453 01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:08,800 Um The city of Danville, I met with their 1454 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:14,880 engineers. They're all on board. They'll help us do whatever it is we need to do. 1455 01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:19,120 And that's north of the 1500 goes through Allensworth. 1456 01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:22,960 1550 >> Is that the big up and that's across the 1457 01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:25,120 136 or is that the one that goes west across? 1458 01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:28,040 » That's the one right there right there by um 1459 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,160 AC deal across >> So, it goes across 300, right? 1460 01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:34,280 » It goes across >> Okay, that's what I thought. That's what 1461 01:32:31,480 --> 01:32:34,280 I thought. I was just making sure. 1462 01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:40,560 » Um As soon as you go south of that road, 1463 01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:45,040 Danville Township guys won't return your call. They won't answer an email. They 1464 01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:48,880 sent them certified letters. So, 1465 01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:52,760 when we get to that point, I I'm not sure. I did 1466 01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:56,120 I I asked the judge and the prosecutor said, "Have you ever dealt with anybody 1467 01:32:54,560 --> 01:33:01,800 on the other side of the state line? How do you How do you get their attention?" 1468 01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:05,480 And basically, Judge Reed said, "Well, there's not a whole lot you can do 1469 01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:08,080 unless they flood you. If they flood you, you can take them to 1470 01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:12,600 court. You can ask for damages." 1471 01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:17,280 » That'd be federal court? Is this the >> The The county court. 1472 01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:19,200 That'd be That'd be causing damages in our county. 1473 01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:22,600 » Okay. >> I've tried I've talked to the Army Corps 1474 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:26,760 of Engineers and unless it's a natural waterway, they they really don't don't 1475 01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:28,440 want to get messed don't want to touch it. 1476 01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:32,680 » empties into >> Eventually, it gets to the 1477 01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:37,880 Um oh, the other thing Danville wanted to know about that is I did 1478 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:41,920 send the coordinates for every bridge on that creek all the way down to the Big 1479 01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:45,560 Vermilion River right across the road from my house, actually. It comes in. 1480 01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:50,960 Uh and uh DNR did send me their 1481 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:52,720 What do I call you that was? Flow flow rate, something like that. 1482 01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:57,400 » yeah. >> Flow rates at each bridge. So, we know 1483 01:33:55,400 --> 01:34:00,440 how much water that creek can take when it comes time to 1484 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:03,800 design that thing. >> Is that creek continuously running? 1485 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:07,040 » Oh, it's not. >> It's jurisdictional. 1486 01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:08,880 It falls under the US Army Corps of Engineers. 1487 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,680 » Yeah. >> If it's a if it has a high water mark, 1488 01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:15,760 it's jurisdictional. >> Yeah, but the legal drain, once it dumps 1489 01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:18,720 into that creek, yes. The The creek starts at the end of the legal drain. 1490 01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:22,520 » Right. The creek is jurisdictional. >> But the DNR thought that the legal drain 1491 01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:26,120 was part of the creek and it's not and I've sent them the paperwork. 1492 01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,640 » I don't think he has some >> That was the core of engineers. 1493 01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:32,760 » Yeah. >> It's an open ditch and the Corps of 1494 01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:37,240 Engineers says if the ditch or the tile was there before the it was declared a 1495 01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:40,240 wetland by DNR, it's a regulated drain. 1496 01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:45,160 » Period. >> No, there's no gray areas on that. 1497 01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:47,360 » Okay. >> Uh 1498 01:34:48,085 --> 01:34:50,920 » [laughter] >> Next thing, uh 1499 01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:57,080 With all the rain, I've been called out on 1500 01:34:55,080 --> 01:35:00,840 all kinds of silly road ditches 1501 01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:06,200 flooding and I had I've noticed there's been some culverts put in that is 1502 01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:09,560 wrong size. I'm not an engineer and I can look at things wrong. 1503 01:35:08,840 --> 01:35:14,800 Uh and so I got to thinking, well, 1504 01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:18,160 the the county road supervisors are supposed to be the ones that are 1505 01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:22,800 supposed to size that and get permission to put culverts in. 1506 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:26,200 And those guys are pretty good. They've got a lot of years of experience, but 1507 01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:30,680 they're not engineers. And so our building inspector is a civil 1508 01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:35,360 engineer and I gave him a copy of our ordinance and asked him look at 1509 01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:39,280 and see if he would consider, as he's just doing his normal 1510 01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:44,360 uh building inspections, uh 1511 01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:46,800 look at culverts on driveways and 1512 01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:50,640 and just kind of keep an eye on it. Let's, you know, 1513 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:54,960 let us know if there's something just not right. His only reluctance in doing 1514 01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:57,880 that is says he's From an engineering standpoint, he 1515 01:35:56,440 --> 01:36:02,680 really didn't want to carry a transit before he goes. 1516 01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:08,240 But well, I don't know where you can use that or use the GIS elevations. 1517 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:10,080 So, we're kind of kicking that idea around. 1518 01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,320 Okay. >> You would also have to model those 1519 01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,840 culverts. >> Yeah. 1520 01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,880 » For the 10-year storm. >> Yeah. 1521 01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:18,600 » So, he needs to establish the watershed for each culvert. 1522 01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:21,806 » Well, I did you know what you have to write. There you go. [laughter] 1523 01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:27,680 » Send it my way. >> I will. 1524 01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:31,360 Okay. Two other things that's been on the back 1525 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:33,440 burner for quite a while. Um 1526 01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:41,880 Several of the of the surveyor meetings and the watershed meetings that I've 1527 01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:47,640 been to, they're really taking exception to recycled plastic being used 1528 01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:50,200 exposed in field tile. But 1529 01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:56,080 Now, I don't know if that's a problem for field tile, but if it is exposed, 1530 01:36:54,040 --> 01:37:00,200 is that something that we want to add to our ordinance to say, "Hey, you can't 1531 01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:04,200 use recycled plastic on the discharge end of tile?" 1532 01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:05,760 » Are you doing slides? I can talk about the whole project in here. 1533 01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,200 » Yeah. >> Yeah, that's a problem. 1534 01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:10,840 » Because the sunlight >> is it's a public 1535 01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,842 » The sunlight I guess the sunlight deteriorates and really makes it 1536 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,760 brittle. >> [clears throat] 1537 01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:17,680 » Makes it brittle and it breaks off real easy. 1538 01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:19,840 Is that something that we should add to the 1539 01:37:20,040 --> 01:37:25,160 » Probably for private. >> If it is, I'll I'll work on verbage and 1540 01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:29,000 send it to you guys and we can look at it in a month or two. 1541 01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:31,840 » But you talk about private tile too, Ron. 1542 01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:34,600 You know, why would you have jurisdiction? 1543 01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:37,680 » Not on private tile. It wouldn't be private. 1544 01:37:36,040 --> 01:37:39,840 » Well, maybe just because >> Because it's not going to be public. 1545 01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:44,480 » Yeah. >> Just say anything on public public land. 1546 01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:47,360 » Or Are you talking like a culvert or you 1547 01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:50,760 talking like an actual >> Well, if if the tile is going to dump 1548 01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,080 out into a a creek 1549 01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:56,320 » Yeah. >> the end of it exposed can't be 1550 01:37:55,760 --> 01:38:00,320 » Yeah. >> recycled plastic. It has to be 1551 01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:05,080 And that brings us to the next thing that they are advocating is that the 1552 01:38:02,440 --> 01:38:08,160 last 20 ft of any tile that dumps into a creek 1553 01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:12,680 or waterway [clears throat] needs to be steel. What do they call it? 1554 01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:16,200 Because of all the field fires we've had and they've got problems with tile 1555 01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:19,920 melting. >> Is that concrete? 1556 01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:22,600 Steel's going to rot. It's going to deteriorate. 1557 01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:26,920 » Is that something that you want that I should work on and put that in 1558 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:29,320 » And 20 ft seems a little excessive. >> You're talking new 1559 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:32,600 new >> Yeah, you don't have to go back and 1560 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:37,160 re-fix anything. Anything new to them needs to be the last 20 ft or 10 1561 01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,880 » So, okay, here's another question. So, you're saying 1562 01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,320 » Well, if you've got an open ditch, that's county main. 1563 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:44,880 » Yeah. >> So, you're saying 1564 01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:48,400 He wants to go put in a new 6 or 8 you want him to put in 1565 01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:53,200 but he always runs recycled. You want him his outlet to be 1566 01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:57,240 » They need to be concrete or steel. >> Okay. I'm just clarifying that I 1567 01:38:55,120 --> 01:39:00,880 understand what we're all talking about. 1568 01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:03,680 » So, the field fires don't melt them. >> I don't know. I've burned a lot of 1569 01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:06,480 ditches up and not melted all of them, so 1570 01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:10,080 I don't know about I burned that one a couple years ago. 1571 01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:14,840 It didn't melt all of it. I mean, it all depends on how long it's going to burn. 1572 01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:17,640 » So, and how fast the wind's blowing. >> So, does the drainage board have to fix 1573 01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:20,880 them if they get melted off or is it the farmer? 1574 01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:23,040 » Yeah, the farmer. >> Uh 1575 01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:32,120 I want plastic outlets. >> I do, too. So, if the county's not in 1576 01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:37,560 charge to fix them >> And I'm We're just saying that it goes 1577 01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:43,040 into county or a natural creek or that >> If the pipe itself is a county pipe 1578 01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:47,960 I say it's fine. Like this one we're discussing now. If 1579 01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:51,720 the ditch is the county's jurisdiction, then I say it's up to whoever's 1580 01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:55,520 installed. That's my opinion on it. 1581 01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:58,960 » They're wanting They're suggesting that we say, "Hey, it it has to be 1582 01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,680 » If you're tied into this ditch, you need to do this." 1583 01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,480 » Yeah, if you're tied, yeah. Is that something you want me to do? 1584 01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,960 » I don't know. >> Okay. 1585 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:08,560 » In Illinois, we don't have that cuz I can show you I mean, we've got 1586 01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:12,200 » Now, this just did >> I know. I know. I'm just saying I got 1587 01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:15,640 one huge ass open ditch in Illinois that This street has got everything. 1588 01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:19,200 » This recycle stuff and this concrete on discharging just came out of the last 1589 01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:22,960 meeting, so What they're saying is when when the 1590 01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:26,320 at the outflow, if it starts breaking down, it's going to cause erosion and 1591 01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:29,440 you're going to lose the side of your ditch and everything else. 1592 01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:32,760 » That's that's same way with >> It's going to drain in that, fixing the 1593 01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:34,200 side of the ditch and everything is on us to fix. 1594 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:37,840 » Okay. >> Just preventing those issues. 1595 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,840 » Yeah. 1596 01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:42,280 » So, is that something you want me to add to 1597 01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:45,120 or do you want me to want me to put that in the ordinance? 1598 01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:49,120 » I'll put something together and at a meeting down the road, we'll talk about 1599 01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:51,440 it, I guess, is what I'm my >> Okay. 1600 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:56,720 » Uh I don't know. Wait. I've I've printed 1601 01:40:55,520 --> 01:41:00,520 off of where we're at on the drainage board 1602 01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:04,400 budget, if anybody wants a copy. Got it here and and what I'm going to 1603 01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:06,880 request for next year. Um 1604 01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:12,440 The couple items I left out last year was, you know, 1605 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:17,240 uh I'm required by law to do these mailings, but they didn't give me money 1606 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,760 to print the letters out, you know. 1607 01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:24,120 Uh and uh the same way with the reg- with the registered mail. Every time you 1608 01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,480 send a registered letter, it's eight or nine bucks. 1609 01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:26,960 » yeah. >> Yeah. 1610 01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,840 » Five dollars, probably. >> And you know, so if you go to mail in 1611 01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:33,200 30, 40 letters, that adds up pretty quick. 1612 01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:36,240 » Well, they didn't put any line item like they did last 1613 01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:38,520 » So, we'll go and ask Um 1614 01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:44,440 » So, that's all I got. So, if you guys want a copy of this, I'll give it to 1615 01:41:42,280 --> 01:41:44,440 you. 1616 01:41:44,920 --> 01:41:51,040 And that's That's all I got. Okay. 1617 01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:54,840 So, what I want to say the only one I think probably is the That's local 1618 01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:57,280 median income or something that means the same thing. 1619 01:41:55,880 --> 01:42:00,480 » It's local median income. >> Okay. And we're looking for the low 1620 01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:03,360 income. Yeah. That's the That's the reasons within the county that some some 1621 01:42:02,440 --> 01:42:05,600 high, some low. >> Your grant will stay there if you have 1622 01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:10,400 low income. >> All right. So, that that leads me to to 1623 01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:13,480 a meeting I'm going to coming up. I need to do some more research. It's one of 1624 01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:17,560 the stacks on my desk I did not get through today, but I wasn't anticipating 1625 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:21,880 coming up here, but it does fit right in. It segues in 1626 01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:25,800 uh opportunity zones. It's opportunity for incentive 1627 01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:31,560 investment uh for for low and medium income areas. 1628 01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:35,800 In May County, there is one currently that we have and that is pretty much 1629 01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:39,520 city of Clinton. There's no other areas that that are 1630 01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:43,560 identified within the county. And I think this this meeting is going to be 1631 01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:47,960 Are there any other suggestions you'd like to have? And Scott can he can he 1632 01:42:45,800 --> 01:42:52,000 pull this stuff up? So, he's he's looking at it as well. So, if you have 1633 01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:56,880 any suggestions on areas that within the county that would be good economic uh 1634 01:42:55,080 --> 01:43:01,680 opportunity zones, uh let me know. One of I'd like to get 1635 01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:05,600 is is Bryce. 7,000 acres of of 1636 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:10,000 opportunity. >> Well, Lady Bird gets the first first 1637 01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:14,720 area for development under the tip district. But, that's pretty poor. 1638 01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:19,400 Yeah, it is. And there's 1639 01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:23,960 » Have you heard of the 8A program? The number eight rather than 8A. 1640 01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:28,000 » I'm not familiar with it. I'm not. >> Study up on it. Google it. Study up on 1641 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:33,080 it. The federal government does a study >> Say that again. The 8A program. 1642 01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:36,120 » and identifies areas It's called 8A. Um it's uh disadvantaged areas. 1643 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:40,480 » Okay. >> And any companies that come into these 1644 01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:46,280 areas and hire employees from these areas can get an 8A designation. And 1645 01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:50,520 they have set-aside contracts just for 8A uh 8A companies. 1646 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:54,280 » You're sure you didn't have something I'm not sure what it's called, but 1647 01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:57,520 federal contracting you have you you get first women owned various categories. 1648 01:43:55,800 --> 01:44:00,560 » Yeah, but that is another category. >> Yes. 1649 01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:02,280 » Which was a economic opportunity so category. So yeah, I would look at that 1650 01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:06,560 up. >> Yeah, the 8A is that economic category 1651 01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:08,960 and it is the most sought after. 1652 01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,880 Um >> That's why I think that the Rise 1653 01:44:10,440 --> 01:44:16,120 Megapark and that would be ideal. 1654 01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:19,640 » Uh ownership is important unfortunately. >> Yeah, there's no population there is. So 1655 01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:23,000 » Yeah. >> Well, the Harley dealership and 1656 01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:25,760 Budweiser dealership and Danville and they'll have about women owned 1657 01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:29,840 dealership. Harley way. 1658 01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:32,480 And women didn't pay the taxes on the on the either business both of them are 1659 01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:35,627 women owned up there now. >> I thought the Budweiser one was just 1660 01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:39,480 selling too many drugs. >> [laughter] 1661 01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:41,080 » No, the old lady she owned three uh 1662 01:44:40,160 --> 01:44:43,800 card shops. >> And the Harley was used to 1663 01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:48,520 » Hallmark it was nothing like that. >> She owned three Hallmark shops. 1664 01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:51,520 And she was taking the tax money from the Budweiser dealership and paying for 1665 01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:56,520 the other Hallmark stores. 1666 01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:58,080 » Which has no income unless it's Christmas or 1667 01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:59,280 » Yeah. >> something. 1668 01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:02,960 » Raffle. >> And government business with that. 1669 01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:05,840 » But they're not paying what they owe and we'll put a padlock on your door. 1670 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:09,720 » Yes, they will. I believe that's what happened now 1671 01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:12,640 Here I am on the camera saying that. >> I don't know. 1672 01:45:10,080 --> 01:45:12,640 » I don't know either. 1673 01:45:13,320 --> 01:45:18,160 » All right, are you ready for a motion? >> We're ready for a motion. 1674 01:45:20,167 --> 01:45:22,187 » [snorts] 1675 01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:33,600 » Okay, now I some extra packets laying around. 1676 01:45:32,440 --> 01:45:36,560 Thanks, guys. >> Thank you, everyone. 1677 01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:41,880 » You don't need anything from me. >> [snorts] 1678 01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:46,680 » You just tell me which way you're going to end up going. 1679 01:45:43,480 --> 01:45:49,643 Right now, I have no action items until You guys have the funding and you decide 1680 01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:53,160 what you want >> [snorts] 1681 01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:55,720 » Right, right, right. >> And you got paid. 1682 01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:58,320 » I appreciate that. >> What about you? 1683 01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,240 » I hope you're happy. 1684 01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,520 » Yeah. 1685 01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:11,720 » And all that lined up on paper is a lot cheaper than 1686 01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:16,120 backup. >> Cheap on paper. 1687 01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:20,360 » So, I'm going to go on hold on through the board's decision of which way you 1688 01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,360 guys want to go. 1689 01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,280 » Yep. >> That's right. 1690 01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:26,720 » Yes. >> Thank you. 1691 01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,720 » Thank you, orders. 1692 01:46:28,440 --> 01:46:35,480 So, now, what is your last name now? >> Uh I haven't changed it on paper yet, so 1693 01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:40,040 it's currently still Robinson. >> Is it going to be hyphenated? 1694 01:46:37,480 --> 01:46:44,360 » No, it's going to be Allen. >> You go from Robinson to Allen? 1695 01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:47,880 That's the same name, Brian. >> Basically, yes. 1696 01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:53,120 Nobody changes them. >> Like if you went from a clan rock or 1697 01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:53,120 something, like hey, you went Irish. 1698 01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:57,560 Filipino. >> No, we're just plain white people. 1699 01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:00,640 » Yeah. You went from a clan rock to Allen. 1700 01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:03,480 » Allen Perry equipment. >> They have to 1701 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,200 tractor Robinson 1702 01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:08,120 tractor pull >> All back. 1703 01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:11,960 » Still streaming? >> Yes, yes. 1704 01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:14,360 » We shut that off. >> You can probably turn the lights out, I 1705 01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:16,920 mean. You're allowed. 1706 01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:27,920 If he wants to sit and watch us discuss >> If you want me be a 1707 01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:27,920 child then you