[0:00] We're going
[0:32] » Okay.
>> Ready?
[0:35] » I'm ready.
>> All right, let's start with the pledge.
[0:42] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America,
[0:46] and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:52] liberty and justice for all.
[1:00] » So, we can start with the initial vote
for
[1:03] » No, we've got
>> Oh, you got the other vote.
[1:06] » Yeah, sorry.
[1:16] » We're going to do it here.
And here, through here.
[1:21] That was not all they got.
[1:25] No, not here. Yes, we've got
Bill.
[1:33] And we've got Don.
[1:38] And uh
Oh, uh Martha.
[1:42] » Yeah.
[1:46] » And we've got Roger.
Mr. Allen [clears throat]
[1:50] » and Carolyn.
>> It's newlywed Carolyn.
[1:52] » Really?
>> Oh,
[1:55] congratulations.
>> Stupid move.
[1:58] » Okay.
>> [snorts]
[1:59] [laughter]
>> Good.
[2:01] » Okay.
Um minutes.
[2:05] Did I give you guys a copy of the
minutes?
[2:07] » Yes.
>> Yes, I got one right here in front of
[2:09] me.
>> Yeah.
[2:26] » You guys have any comments?
[2:30] » [clears throat]
>> All right to me.
[2:32] » I'm going to second it.
>> Is there anything you want to bring up
[2:35] before we leave then?
>> Yeah.
[2:37] » What Kirk made a motion?
>> Yeah.
[2:40] » You second it?
>> Second.
[2:41] » Dan?
>> Same.
[2:46] » All in favor?
>> Aye.
[2:48] » Aye.
>> Not too many of us spoke.
[2:53] » Okay.
[2:56] » [clears throat]
>> It works on our
[2:58] Valerie going on there.
Caruthers drain.
[3:05] Oh, okay. Thank you.
>> You don't need an box.
[3:09] » Okay.
[3:14] Um
[3:18] So
[3:20] Mr. Caruthers drain.
[3:24] The
[3:27] We have 14 drains that we found that
started this project.
[3:32] We've got
one turned out to be mutual drain.
[3:37] And then we have uh
[3:40] the Caruthers drain we consider vacated.
Um
[3:45] » [clears throat]
>> This is one of the watersheds that we
[3:49] had that project did for us.
Uh
[3:53] back in April I had to send out a just a
feeler to see who all if there's anybody
[3:59] who was really interested in not
vacating the drains.
[4:03] As you can well imagine since Dick Chris
owns
[4:06] 99.5%
of it
[4:09] and he didn't want it.
And also because that old drain has been
[4:14] filed over, under, and through
many times.
[4:19] Uh
recommendation to the board is to vacate
[4:22] that drain.
You have to vote on it.
[4:27] Once that happens, then I have to mail
out registered letters to each landowner
[4:35] each parcel a landowner a parcel
uh telling them of your intent
[4:41] to vacate it and give them uh
at least 30 days to provide written
[4:47] objection.
If they don't
[4:50] then when we meet uh this fall
uh
[4:54] unless we try to squeeze one in before
harvest starts
[4:58] uh you'll you'll have to vote on it
again.
[5:01] And that's the resolution you'll all
sign if you
[5:04] continue to vacate it. That's what will
be recorded [snorts]
[5:08] with all the appropriate documentation.
[5:14] » I see.
Your initial letter you sent, have you
[5:17] heard any back back from it?
>> Yes, I I
[5:20] It's right here. I sent uh
This initial sample mailed out to
[5:24] owners. That was just a carrier pigeon
that Dick Chris carried by now.
[5:28] And then here's all the cards that we
got back.
[5:31] » seen the answers. That's what I just
went through. I didn't see anybody say
[5:33] yes they want to
>> I don't think there
[5:36] There was there was not one.
Uh
[5:39] I did get a call from
uh lady over in Kokomo. She's who's been
[5:44] selling a farm to Dennis. She's on
contract.
[5:48] Far as I know there's
still going through that process even
[5:52] though Dennis has held his stake in it.
Turned into a war.
[5:56] But
she said she would just defer to
[5:58] whatever Dennis wanted and Dennis sent
back that
[6:01] » So I saw him sign on in the back. I said
no.
[6:04] » Yeah.
So that's
[6:07] between folks.
I make a motion we vacate it.
[6:11] Can I get a second and get my note?
Here.
[6:15] » I'll second that.
>> There you go.
[6:18] All in favor? All right.
>> Aye.
[6:21] » Opposed? If no one opposes
>> Okay, good. First was Pam.
[6:26] You second it?
>> Kurt.
[6:28] » Kurt.
>> That's all we got, isn't it?
[6:31] » Then passed.
>> Yep.
[6:33] » unanimously
>> Yep.
[6:35] » Okay, so
my next step will then be mailed out
[6:43] this legal letter back here to back. It
meets all state statute requirements.
[6:48] And uh
[6:51] give them an opportunity if if someone
would oppose it, we do have to hold hold
[6:56] a public hearing.
>> Yeah.
[6:58] » And then they can voice their concerns.
>> Okay.
[7:01] That's fine.
>> All right. So that takes care of that.
[7:12] Oh, yeah. Okay.
[7:17] Okay, the next one is the
I think what I did
[7:24] Oh, okay. The next one is the
uh
[7:29] Thompson
regulated drain. If you got Dana, this
[7:33] is the one that
starts there at Kevin Bishop's house
[7:37] kind of across the road, runs down the
railroad the
[7:41] angles off to the west, and crosses the
state line. It's all
[7:45] It's all up in the air.
Pretty much.
[7:49] Now, I have a confession to make.
Assuming that no one in their right mind
[7:54] would want to
>> [clears throat]
[7:57] » continue with that ditch,
I just wrote the landowners of which the
[8:02] ditch crossed.
And would you know it,
[8:06] two of the landowners
uh want us to maintain things.
[8:13] Maintain it and start your assessments.
>> I saw a couple yesterday.
[8:17] » Uh
Well, then I thought, well, now I better
[8:21] make things legal. I had had had Roger
build Carolina.
[8:26] » Thank you.
>> Redo the
[8:28] redo the watershed.
Uh you can still You can vote to vacate
[8:33] or you can vote to
to reestablish. Either way you want to,
[8:37] go ahead and do that tonight.
All that does is change which
[8:41] letter I send the landowners.
If you
[8:44] vote to vacate it, go ahead and vacate
it.
[8:48] I'm
I'm
[8:49] 99.5% sure we will.
Uh
[8:54] in the event
then I'll just send them the vacation
[8:57] letter and then give them an opportunity
to
[9:01] submit
in writing to the board that they
[9:05] want a hearing
on that.
[9:09] It just
>> Do you know where
[9:11] on your map here where it is that the
people are that
[9:16] said yes, where they're at? Are they at
the bottom of it or are they at the top
[9:20] of it? That's
>> I
[9:22] Kurt, you know,
>> I was letting him speak.
[9:24] » It's the two ladies.
[9:28] Um
Wait a minute. I'll go look at this map.
[9:33] It's uh
>> I know where it's at, but I don't
[9:36] I'm not taking a flyer.
>> It would be
[9:46] » You all cheat them.
>> And it's all open ditch. There's no pipe
[9:49] in it at all.
>> And best cheat cheat them.
[9:55] Go back cheat them.
>> Which I believe it's this here.
[10:02] So this is
This is Joseph the park running through
[10:06] that. Is that what it is?
>> I don't like this one.
[10:09] » Oh yeah.
>> That's north of uh
[10:13] » This here would be
[10:24] » Who knows?
Would they be in Illinois or Indiana?
[10:28] » Well, their address
can be in Illinois but the problem is in
[10:33] Indiana.
>> Okay.
[10:34] » That's a
That's a TIA.
[10:36] » Oh, okay. I was in that TIA.
>> Got you. That other one is a line.
[10:41] Got you.
>> Which I'm not 100% sure. I know I know
[10:45] that piece is
[10:50] » Who
It's in the middle of the drain you're
[10:52] still in me.
>> Yeah.
[10:55] » Like Milligan's on the top end of it,
isn't he?
[11:00] Top what? Top Top side?
>> Uh
[11:05] Yeah, part of it.
>> But those are the only ones you see
[11:10] Those are all the cards I got out of all
the ones I mailed out. So
[11:23] » That's where I want to
>> Where's the ditch at? Do you know where
[11:25] it is?
>> It's right right along that railroad
[11:26] track.
>> I know I don't see the railroad track
[11:29] though.
>> Can you see it?
[11:34] He's the one track pretty much straight
up and down?
[11:37] » Yes, it runs north and south.
[11:41] » And then
[11:45] Is the railroad track
>> That's right.
[11:51] You want me I can read you off the names
of the people who live in here in the
[11:54] latter.
>> Okay, yes that's the old road. Yeah,
[11:59] that's it.
>> And then this is the ditch and then it
[12:00] goes over here and over in Illinois.
>> The crossing is over in Illinois, yeah.
[12:04] So the they American Land Holdings, I'm
not sure who that is.
[12:08] Oh, that's the railroad.
Then Ingrams
[12:12] 1 2 3 4 Redmons
Hendricks, more Redmons
[12:17] Hesses
more Redmons
[12:22] » You sent these cards out to everybody in
the
[12:24] » No, I didn't.
>> Oh, okay.
[12:26] » I just assumed nobody wanted it so I
just sent it to the
[12:29] » Okay.
>> The people who are joining the ditch
[12:31] » Yeah, my curiosity was I didn't see
anything in your past this title. I just
[12:34] wanted to know which way it went.
>> I think it went to Quigley.
[12:38] » I think it did too. I'm just curious.
>> Bridgets will be back this way.
[12:42] » Yeah, cuz the Milligans Ingrams are on
it. Hesses they own.
[12:45] » Which I knew they did.
They take a lot of it that way.
[12:49] » Yes, sir.
>> Much more Milligans, much more Hesses,
[12:53] much more Bridgets.
>> See all this
[12:57] in here.
[13:01] Okay.
I don't know where the break is exactly,
[13:05] but I know
I know this 40 right here comes across
[13:09] the road to where I found it. Okay.
Okay.
[13:13] All right.
So somewhere this has got to
[13:16] » And this blue one is the one they just
>> That's the actual watershed I had them
[13:20] draw up
after I realized hey, we do have some
[13:24] people who sent back cards that said
yeah,
[13:27] they don't know if they want us to pay
this.
[13:30] No.
Then we got
[13:33] trying to save the box, but I was wrong.
>> Yeah.
[13:37] » Bit me in the rear end.
>> That's what I guess is there'll be a lot
[13:39] of variances in this one and variances
established.
[13:42] » Yeah, which is amazing.
[13:47] » It's somewhere
>> It pretty doesn't go as far north as the
[13:50] one the red one does.
Yeah.
[13:57] » Makes sense. That's why
>> We stopped them out and stopped them out
[14:00] right in here.
>> Yeah.
[14:03] I thought it was something like that
anyway.
[14:06] » All I need is some direction from you
guys what to do.
[14:10] » [laughter]
>> Yeah.
[14:12] I thought I wish more of them were here,
though.
[14:22] Always easier if they just take it back.
[14:26] » And I'm
>> But if there's a whole shitload of them
[14:28] together, then it's open ditched and I
also get spurred.
[14:33] » I I
[14:36] » One thing like that
>> say well a bit 90% of them would want to
[14:41] take care of themselves and not be in
any digital session.
[14:46] But
that's what I thought I got bit, so you
[14:50] » Yeah.
It's like that one that we vacated and
[14:53] you know, all the whole open ditch is on
us. That's one
[14:55] » What do you mean we can
>> It doesn't get a width of the name of
[14:57] the easement.
[15:00] » Multiple
aren't the same owner.
[15:04] » Or I guess there's a third option. I
could I could write them a formal letter
[15:10] and
[15:12] I could just draw a letter saying this
is there's vacated and if you you don't
[15:16] want it, then
and we invite them to a the next
[15:20] drainage board meeting.
>> I got a couple
[15:22] » And then come to the meeting and if
there's any lot of variances if they
[15:25] don't want us to vacate it.
>> Yeah.
[15:28] » Either way it goes I still have to send
out a registered
[15:31] » Yeah.
>> letter to them.
[15:34] If they have a registered official and
that's right in the law. Yeah, even if
[15:38] we vacate it we still have to give them
30 days.
[15:41] » Still have to give them 30 days.
>> And an opportunity to come in
[15:44] to meet with us.
>> Right.
[15:45] » No matter what.
>> There's quite a few more people on this
[15:48] list.
>> Yeah, and I sent yes.
[15:50] » So I had to say we need to get a little
more info here before
[15:54] » Okay.
Okay, yeah.
[15:56] And so
you want to hold off on the formal legal
[16:00] step and just let me send them a letter
to say look
[16:04] » I think we're going to have to.
>> I would prefer that.
[16:06] » And then then we can go from there.
>> Yeah, I just think
[16:09] » Okay.
>> How much of an addition that makes a
[16:11] difference then?
>> Okay.
[16:14] I'm going to send I'm going to put
informal letter.
[16:18] » Informal acquisition letter.
[16:24] » You land owner.
[16:28] » [clears throat]
>> Okay.
[16:30] » Pretty easy when there's one or two
parcels.
[16:32] » Yeah, that I just
I make that a something
[16:37] » Yeah, like I said the whole ditch was on
[16:41] got one on us.
>> Yeah.
[16:43] That's easy.
>> Okay.
[16:48] » We got some more disposals and then
we're not sure which
[16:50] » 20 everybody
>> Okay.
[16:52] » There's a lot of existing pipeline there
too so
[16:57] » Next thing
I did not print off any more copies of
[17:02] Rogers engineering
reports because it's about 6,000 pages.
[17:07] » [laughter]
[17:09] » I got your reports.
>> But it's but it's but
[17:14] All right.
But we have to make a decision.
[17:19] Uh
[17:21] Which direction we want to go. Roger and
Caroline have two different plans here.
[17:30] We just going to have to decide which
one we would like to pursue.
[17:36] Or, if you have any questions for Roger
or Caroline
[17:40] about this or that or the other or
Now's the time [snorts] to get them out.
[17:45] These questions about
get worked through it.
[17:49] Uh,
once we make that determination, or if
[17:52] we make that determination tonight,
then
[17:57] uh
You know approximately estimated how
[18:01] much cover?
>> That's going to be my first question.
[18:04] » So, on the pipes?
>> Did you gain any outlet cover?
[18:07] » We We dug out
a lot of the pipes in the field, and
[18:11] they ranged anywhere from 3 to 5 ft.
>> But, your your design, how much cover?
[18:16] » I mean, we It's in [clears throat] that
elevation
[18:18] » We maintain We maintain that same cover.
>> Yeah, 3 to 4?
[18:21] » Yeah.
3 to 5.
[18:23] » 3 to 5 ft.
>> Yeah, even on the big pipes.
[18:25] » 42-in pipe.
>> Yeah, even on the big pipes, yeah.
[18:27] » That's good if we can get there.
>> Yeah.
[18:29] » That's fantastic.
>> We uh the reason we were able to do
[18:32] that, if you look on your map
at the tail end where the red line is,
[18:37] that red line is what's existing.
[clears throat] We've rerouted it around
[18:40] and got
further down the stream, so we're able
[18:44] to get it deeper.
>> Awesome.
[18:45] » And that worked pretty well.
We dragged it all back at minimum
[18:50] slopes, and we were able to extend
beyond 1450
[18:54] and go all the way to that ponded area
>> Yeah.
[18:56] » uh to the north, so that helped quite a
bit.
[18:59] Now, obviously, it's going to add to the
cost of the project, but at least it's
[19:02] an option for you guys to consider
>> We are
[19:04] » expanding.
>> Yeah.
[19:06] » We'll look into that.
>> The complete elevation's in that report
[19:09] that I emailed to you guys.
>> I saw it.
[19:11] » The The whole length of it.
We have we have pretty good cover and we
[19:16] maintain the inverts of the pipes that
way if there's any laterals we can put
[19:20] that right back in.
That was the bigger thing. I didn't want
[19:22] to go higher than what we had. So
I don't want to see any laterals.
[19:27] » Yes, we we were in good shape.
>> With that much cover I don't
[19:30] believe there'll be any problem with
motor semi
[19:34] damaging the
double
[19:37] wall pipe.
>> No.
[19:40] The crossings
the the road crossings
[19:44] and the lane crossings, there's a couple
of grass lane crossings. I definitely
[19:49] recommend we keep those as as concrete.
>> Okay.
[19:52] » But the option to move to dual wall is
definitely worth it. It'll save you
[19:59] » That
that one lane is technically a road.
[20:03] » Yeah, I know that.
[20:07] Yeah.
>> Got trees growing up in it but it's
[20:09] technically a road.
>> It's flooded here I'll have to look at
[20:11] the current number
>> So the concrete is stronger than dual
[20:15] wall?
>> Yeah, for loading, yeah.
[20:18] » What's what's your thought about like
rock backfilling those crossings? 100%
[20:22] rock backfills instead of you know
spoil backfill.
[20:26] » That would help. That that may allow us
to use dual wall at the crossing if we
[20:30] do engineered fill.
That that may be an option.
[20:35] The rest of the pipe
currently well 100 years ago
[20:42] also now
>> [snorts]
[20:44] » grade
and I maintain that as well
[20:47] to save the cost.
We backfill with stone all over we're
[20:51] going to increase the cost from our
perspective.
[20:53] I felt that with it being 3 to 5 ft deep
that'd be a good bed compacted bed to
[20:58] consider on.
But on the road that's definitely an
[21:02] option if you want to go dual wall. Now
we do have two road crossings and two
[21:07] lanes.
The cost between concrete and
[21:11] Z is not huge. Just for those crossings.
But if we want to maintain continuity,
[21:16] we can
that this here.
[21:19] It may end up being close to a wash a
little bit cheaper by doing that.
[21:23] » Then I guess another question I had um
Sorry, I'm a little late to to meetings,
[21:27] but
um
[21:29] so I I do I'm a contractor as well, but
I'm a landowner in this in this
[21:32] district. Um
but
[21:35] you know
if you've had a 42-in down here, there's
[21:39] not very many machines that can install
a 42-in.
[21:42] » That has to do with the cost.
>> But if you have a you know, you go to a
[21:45] 36, we have the capability of machine um
installing, which means we can you know,
[21:49] get a radius bottom, we can get a lot
better support on the pipe. We actually
[21:53] can rock backfill um a 36-in just up to
like spring line.
[21:58] Um
you know, the thought is you know
[22:01] if you looked at it, could could we
possibly parallel the existing pipes
[22:05] down here with two pipes? Um you know, a
36 and a 30
[22:10] » Yeah.
>> could would replace the 42 and then you
[22:14] know
possibly you know, with cost very
[22:18] similar versus you know, open cutting
100% you know, rock backfill, under
[22:22] digging. I mean, I just because that's a
lot of 32-in or 42-in pipe. Um so just
[22:29] thinking out loud, if you know, if you
could possibly install with a 36-in
[22:33] with a wheel machine
um
[22:35] you know, there might be significant
cost savings, time and and
[22:38] you know, I don't know. I
>> board meeting we had we discussed that.
[22:44] Discussed the split
I think we all came in favor of let's
[22:48] not try to split it because if it's not
constructed spot on
[22:52] one of them is going to take more water
than the other. That one is going to
[22:55] start silting and filling in.
>> Got you. You have a 36 that's running.
[22:58] Got you.
>> I think that was the thought there.
[23:00] » Okay.
>> Um but you you're are absolutely correct
[23:03] on this. If you are able to
put them on the split with even and they
[23:06] both run at the same time and one
doesn't split,
[23:09] that's an option.
>> But they are hard
[23:11] » I'm just saying from an insulation
standpoint, I guess.
[23:13] » Well, especially with machine
insulation, I mean, I know there GPS run
[23:16] and flat run, but having two pipes at
the same elevation with that run make
[23:21] that harder.
But it is an option. It's still an
[23:24] option for the work to put there.
>> I don't know. [snorts] I've got more
[23:27] confidence in a machine being able to do
it than by hand.
[23:30] » I'm I'm a GPS savior all the way.
I trust that thing all day long with
[23:35] that.
I I'm going to get it set. It's hard to
[23:38] get it set. The only time I've ever
faced with I dug in, so
[23:42] » [laughter]
>> I mean, that's that's
[23:44] » I mean, just looking at it from a
contractor's standpoint, I'm like, oh,
[23:46] you're you're talking about hauling in,
you know, several thousand feet of 42-in
[23:50] and it's like, I mean, I'm not saying it
can't be done or it can't be done in the
[23:53] right, but I mean,
>> but it's just
[23:57] it's tough to get that better than the
way
[23:59] » And there's not a lot of machines that
can install 36-in, but there are I mean,
[24:02] there are machines that can.
>> Yeah.
[24:05] » Um, I mean, from an engineering
perspective, if we do two 36-in,
[24:09] I think we should be fine.
It's just the decisions that you guys
[24:12] make.
Okay.
[24:14] » You know, this is modeled for 42, you
know, it works. I think the 36 236 will
[24:19] be fine.
It's just a decision that you guys make
[24:22] later
>> I know I stated in my in the last
[24:27] meeting I'm not a fan of dual pipes.
Just for various reasons.
[24:32] » I remember having that conversation. We
talked about it for a while.
[24:36] » I've been putting pipe for
35 [clears throat] years, so
[24:42] As as the owner, as the owner.
Uh,
[24:46] and
I just know we've always had problems
[24:50] with maintenance problems 10 15 years
down the road with dual pipes.
[24:58] And I, you know, my preference is we put
this in, we spend the money, we don't
[25:02] have any problems 10 15 years down the
road.
[25:06] » Other side
side of the coin is you're saving
[25:09] $180,000.
Um no, it would be less than that. If
[25:14] you replace the 42 by 36, it would be
180, but since you're doubling the 36,
[25:20] it's going to be
saving
[25:25] $40,000.
>> Is that $40,000 worth of 10 years down
[25:29] the road?
It's not if one of them fails.
[25:32] » On a on a on a $3 million project,
$40,000 becomes nothing.
[25:38] » Oh, that's right.
I just
[25:40] » And would you just If you did run into
it, would you just connect those with a
[25:43] big Y? Is that how you would bring those
>> Yeah, like a junction box,
[25:47] a distribution box, you know, something
like that where you come out, you know,
[25:50] one coming in and then split. We've done
before, but um
[25:55] » I don't know. Are you planning on doing
like exploratory trenching on the
[25:59] opposite side of the pipe? I mean, the
new pipe's going in
[26:04] off the one side probably of the
existing pipe just to you know, you're
[26:07] trenching on top of it at the same time.
Then would you be exploratory trenching
[26:11] on the
the other side, you know, to to pick to
[26:14] to see if there's any pipe coming in
from that that Say you're on the west
[26:17] side, you're going to be on the east
side doing a like an exploratory trench?
[26:21] » Well, our proposal is to crush the
existing pipe in place.
[26:24] » Yes.
>> And when we're crushing, we should be
[26:26] able to identify where those laterals
come in.
[26:29] You know, we're not just going to leave
a cavity sitting in the ground where we
[26:32] have some holes
>> Sure.
[26:34] » So, we crush that pipe. Anything coming
into it should be identified.
[26:38] » So, you're actually digging that with a
hoe?
[26:40] » Right.
>> Crushing it and then and then
[26:42] backfilling.
>> Okay.
[26:43] I know I've got east and west lateral.
>> Yeah.
[26:47] » So, the kind of to your point, I mean, I
understand what you're saying about the
[26:49] dual pipes, but [clears throat] the dual
pipe does allow that you know you're not
[26:53] missing anything coming in from either
side, but
[26:57] you know, and then and then you can just
>> On that 6,000 ft, yeah.
[27:00] » Yeah, and then you can run a plow down
you can run a top plow down and rip the
[27:03] old tile up basically instead of having
to excavate it.
[27:06] » Well, still though, once you're out of
the 6,000 ft for the 42 in you still
[27:10] have that for the rest of them where
where the pipes come in.
[27:13] » Exactly.
>> So, we're going to plow and just rip it.
[27:16] We're going to rip the laterals coming
in.
[27:18] » Correct.
[27:21] » You're really reconstructing what they
did.
[27:24] I believe you're right.
[27:30] We did encounter a few sinkholes.
We had one big break that run
[27:37] we need to fix this, so we put a steel
casing on it and covered it up for the
[27:41] farmer.
Other than that, everything went
[27:43] reasonably
>> The farmer still didn't fix the But,
[27:46] they had no place to go. That water's
got no place to go.
[27:50] I don't remember the whole thing.
>> Uh just so you guys know um
[27:56] the discharge end of where that is now,
you know, it's up there along the gravel
[28:00] road
at the top of the Matthew property.
[28:03] Yeah.
And uh
[28:06] I don't know if
it's in there or not. We probably didn't
[28:09] put that in there, but there is
we did reroute that down basically
[28:15] to the fence line between Matthews and
his neighbor to the south.
[28:20] And I did have uh
Ethan go ahead and
[28:25] draw up a draft memorandum of
understanding regarding the drainage
[28:29] easement.
So, basically it says that Hicks and
[28:34] Matthews agrees to swap properties with
us.
[28:37] That's the bottom line.
And verbally they both committed to it.
[28:41] And in return, we agreed to vacate
the ditch and the creek on all there up
[28:48] along the gravel road.
[28:51] They get that and then we get permission
to go ahead and get the grand jury
[28:55] appeal. It's all right. See them take
you get the
[28:58] » Matthews. [clears throat]
>> Yeah.
[29:01] » So.
So, we do have that in place.
[29:04] » All right.
>> Ready to go.
[29:07] If that's If that's where you decide you
want to go.
[29:13] » Who's doing that right away? Or that
easement acquisition, would
[29:16] [clears throat] that would that be the
Drainage Board attorney?
[29:19] » Yeah, Ethan.
>> Yeah, Ethan Myers.
[29:21] » [clears throat]
>> No, his office is up there on the north
[29:23] side of us. He's probably doing them
all.
[29:26] » Now, as with a lot of the old legal
drains, there's no survey description
[29:31] here. For the easements.
They just default to the state requires
[29:35] 75 ft on both sides of the tile.
And to the best of our knowledge and
[29:39] digging the field, we'll find where the
tile is. So, it's a generic hey, 75 ft
[29:44] on both sides of the tile. Now, most
farmers are going to come in and farm
[29:47] right off top of it. It's not a big
deal.
[29:50] You know, but
if you need to go do any repairs, you're
[29:54] going to pile through.
Fortunately, destroy the crops to get to
[29:57] that easement.
[30:00] » Which is the same thing he would do if
he had to.
[30:03] » Correct.
[30:06] » Or you're going to want to tax them.
>> Yeah. Yeah, you don't want those lasting
[30:08] very long. Man, they were going north of
Dorris County.
[30:11] Uh,
it was somewhere between 30 and a 36. I
[30:15] don't know. It's 22 on me by the time I
get it It ends up 36 and I was driving
[30:19] by one day and then that thing started
one day and the next day you could have
[30:22] lost an entire car in that stuff.
>> Yeah.
[30:25] » Whole car. It was huge.
>> Yeah, that hole in the ground was
[30:29] sizable.
And how many how many loads of dirt did
[30:32] you have to put two or three to fill it
in?
[30:35] » Yeah, I think we had three truck loads.
[30:38] » [laughter]
>> That's what I was saying. It was 1,300
[30:40] or what?
>> Yeah.
[30:43] » Yeah, it was a big hole.
[30:47] » But once once this is reconstructed,
once the the tile is shot, this map has
[30:52] bolts on it, we can easily offset that
by 75 on each side and then you know
[30:56] exactly where you're
where you're placing them at.
[31:03] » I've never had a
>> So, do you you guys want to go ahead and
[31:08] choose between these two plans? Do you
want to
[31:11] modify it to do
as Mark was saying on the discharge end?
[31:20] Because then we probably
If you want to, we can go ahead and talk
[31:23] about
financing first yet.
[31:28] And then come back to this.
[31:32] What's your preference?
[31:35] From my perspective moving forward, it'd
be a whole lot easier what you want to
[31:39] do.
But
[31:40] » I think moving forward is a great idea.
>> That depends on
[31:44] » I want to do this kind of tile project.
>> [laughter]
[31:47] » I've never seen a tile project have be
done too well. That's all I'm going to
[31:51] say.
I've under done them in the past and
[31:54] I've never over done them.
[31:58] » I know one thing.
>> I That guy's pretty much just taken
[32:01] away.
In the last month
[32:03] » you can drive around and pick out the
pattern tile fields for this
[32:06] » But you can't this year.
>> Even the non-pattern, just any tile
[32:09] around.
>> If this isn't the year to
[32:12] convince people what tile does,
>> Yeah, it won't ever happen.
[32:16] » Yeah.
>> I tried to get the council So, the
[32:18] council members tried to get 63 million
today.
[32:21] » I just take pictures for them. It looks
like a pond out there.
[32:24] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[32:26] » That's what I'm saying, but I like
>> Yeah.
[32:28] » Yeah.
>> Yeah, I don't even go to Harrisburg.
[32:33] » [laughter]
>> I I honestly have many as three times
[32:36] and they're still [clears throat] going.
>> It's good for duck hunting, but not for
[32:40] farming.
[32:42] » Uh what's what's your opinion on
concrete
[32:46] and I
>> Um
[32:47] you know, we've put in
>> [clears throat]
[32:50] » a lot of dual wall tile and and
had really good success with it. I think
[32:54] it's only as good as the installation
job. I mean, I'll just I personally like
[32:59] rock backfill and big dual wall,
anything above 24. Actually, anything
[33:04] above 21 only uh
clear rock backfill. That's just
[33:08] our kind of our
personal thing. Yeah, I mean, we put in
[33:12] a lot of 18 and not rock backfill. We
can, you know, we can do that, but
[33:16] um
[33:19] I think if it's installed correctly, I
think, you know, the you know,
[33:23] I know you've got N12 in your
um
[33:26] specs.
Um
[33:29] maybe
the supplier we use, maybe maybe we you
[33:32] could modify that to N12 or equivalent.
Um some stuff like that that would maybe
[33:37] wouldn't lock you into a certain brand
of tile.
[33:39] » Yeah, we do that a lot. We like
equivalents, so we're not calling out a
[33:42] specific manufacturer or something.
>> I I believe in 100% virgin resin. That's
[33:46] what we install. That's what I I just
believe in it, but you know, you like he
[33:51] said, you can have some really good
concrete. The old concrete we dig up,
[33:55] there's some concrete mains that are
awesome. They're bigger, longer concrete
[34:00] and really good. There's some that you
barely touch and they just disintegrate.
[34:04] New concrete tile is going to be good. I
mean, there's no question. Um is it
[34:08] worth the additional cost?
I think
[34:12] personally as a contractor, um
I think if you do dual wall and you
[34:16] install it correctly,
you know, you know, that's why you've
[34:18] got engineers that are
you're paying them to to oversee the
[34:22] project. Um
I think the dual wall is the way to go,
[34:27] especially, you know, maybe maybe you
you still go with the 42 and you have to
[34:32] tow that in.
Um, but then the rest of this could be
[34:35] machine installed to me. Um, that's
I think it's the way to go.
[34:39] » In my mind it is, but
>> I do agree with him.
[34:43] The design plans were always based on
concrete. That's why you don't see any
[34:47] backfill, but if you do switch to the
HDP, I definitely would
[34:51] agree with his statement that we
probably should rock backfill. Or at
[34:54] least get
>> At least a spring line maybe. Yeah.
[34:56] Yeah.
I mean it with thick out radius buckets
[34:59] you can get a good, you know, coat of
pipe. I mean I I'm
[35:04] » One of my concern on the HDP is that it
can be
[35:08] squashed during backfill.
It can deform.
[35:12] And it can you can get high points in it
easier. Concrete usually you don't have
[35:17] that problem.
Uh
[35:22] » It does have a little bit more play than
concrete. Squashing it, I'm not too
[35:25] concerned about that cuz these guys know
what they're doing.
[35:29] And you know, if
>> I've
[35:30] I've had a lot of it that I've had to
put in and take out because it was
[35:35] damaged during backfill.
>> During backfill.
[35:37] » I mean it's probably the the biggest
chance of of an issue. I mean, no
[35:41] question. Um, is that an issue?
>> We we require we require that you have
[35:45] to have you know, to take a mandrel
testing of all plastic pipe.
[35:49] » Yeah.
>> And yeah, you could do that. Absolutely.
[35:51] » But that's a lot of mandrel testing.
>> And then when you get, you know, when
[35:54] you get into like depends on the the cut
of the pipe. I mean, you know, when
[35:58] you're talking about taking off
overburden and then replacing, I mean,
[36:01] the good thing about a machine backfill
or machine install is that now you've
[36:04] got some spoil that, you know, you're
not pulling in these huge chunks of dirt
[36:09] that are getting dug with an excavator.
>> [clears throat]
[36:11] » Um, but it's still it's there's a risk.
I mean,
[36:14] » Is that Is that something you can write
into the bid package some of these
[36:18] requirements some of these
>> So, a few of the jobs that we've done,
[36:21] they've actually
>> I don't know. I'm asking you.
[36:24] » We have installed
>> Indiana specs require that plastic pipe
[36:27] mandrel tested.
There you go.
[36:30] » What's that mean, gang?
>> Mandrel testing, it's a
[36:33] steel blades and it's it's like a hot
dog you're you're shoving through the
[36:38] pipe. It's about a half an inch smaller
than the diameter of the pipe.
[36:42] And you just tie a string on one end,
string to the other end, and you just
[36:45] pull through. And if it gets caught
someplace,
[36:47] » You got a problem.
>> there's a problem.
[36:51] » We can also send, you know, because it's
new piping, we can send cameras through
[36:55] it, check all the seams, make sure
everything looks good.
[36:58] » Cameras?
>> Yeah.
[36:59] » But they can only run about
500 ft. Most camera setups about 500 ft.
[37:03] » Yeah, our camera is 500 ft. So, while
installing every 500 ft, we can run
[37:08] them, make sure that everything looks
good.
[37:11] That's an option.
[37:14] » So,
what they talked about this is
[37:19] you can write up a bid package and make
it make sense to them however.
[37:22] » Sure.
>> But you have to realize the more the
[37:25] more complicated the specs, the higher
the cost.
[37:29] What you're doing in most specs, you're
transferring risk from the owner to the
[37:33] contractor, right? And the contractor
has to cover those
[37:38] » What is his insurance?
>> in his bid.
[37:43] » I mean, you can also put in with like a
That's what I was saying, some of these
[37:47] projects, you know, you can
determine the
[37:52] if you wanted machine installed, you
could, you know, that can be written in.
[37:55] Or if it's not machine installed, this
is what you know, these are the
[37:58] difference in the installation type.
[38:01] We do have a line item for bond and
insurance and I estimated that 5%. It
[38:07] varies anywhere between 4 and 1/2 to 6
and 1/2 7. I put 5.
[38:12] » So, you can spec out the bill wall
length of pipe and then spec out the I
[38:17] mean the
up to the 42 in pipe.
[38:21] » Yeah, everything
>> And then write a different specs for the
[38:23] 42-in down to discharge and
>> Yeah, we'd have to change the bedding if
[38:27] we do HDPE.
>> What's that going to
[38:30] What's that going to do to the cost? I
mean, it's still
[38:32] » Oh, you're you'll lose cost in material
cost of the pipe, but you'll you'll
[38:36] realize cost in in in aggregate.
[38:40] What What the difference is, you'd have
to run numbers to see. But
[38:44] » So, we're still altogether we're still
looking at $3 million. It doesn't matter
[38:47] whether you go to concrete or it doesn't
matter whether you go to the
[38:50] plastic line.
Do all right.
[39:01] » I'm no expert, but my
I mean, my personal preference is
[39:07] I just like the wall.
[39:10] Every time I've had
double wall concrete
[39:14] » It's easy to repair, too.
>> Also easier to tie your ladders in.
[39:18] » It's easier to tie your ladders in.
>> Only concrete.
[39:21] » [clears throat]
>> Okay.
[39:22] » Yeah.
>> I've done it.
[39:23] » You have to pour it and then it has to
be clean poured.
[39:25] » So, all our holes
>> Just
[39:29] Yeah.
[39:32] » There's There's pluses and minuses for
both of them. Yes, there is.
[39:35] » So, we're talking double wall
[clears throat] pipe until they get to
[39:38] the
county road, basically. Concrete under
[39:41] the county roads.
>> Unless we do I'll I'll take a look at
[39:45] the depth again. If I have sufficient
depth, we could do engineered fill all
[39:48] the way to the top of that we bid.
>> Okay.
[39:51] And then the 42 when it starts into the
42-in to the discharge
[39:59] digging it in
and putting double wall pipe
[40:02] » Pretty much have to run
>> and all your own backfill with
[40:05] engineered
engineered backfill and do all the
[40:09] special stuff I'm talking about.
>> If you do HDPE, all of it has to be
[40:13] bedded.
>> Yeah, all of it.
[40:16] » Yeah, for sure.
>> Okay.
[40:19] » So, when you say bedding is that just
across the top or is that underneath
[40:22] » No, it's not underneath it to almost
halfway through the pipe underneath.
[40:27] » I think Indiana specs say
like on a culvert you're supposed to
[40:31] hand fill
the base and go halfway to the on top of
[40:36] the pipe.
Ain't what it says then or used to say
[40:39] that?
>> Well, you're supposed to
[40:42] It actually tells you It tells you you
know, you're supposed to have the trench
[40:46] wide enough that you can get a compacted
effort Yeah. between the pipe and the
[40:50] edge of your trench.
So, you know, your trench width
[40:55] whenever you use compacted fill has to
be
[40:57] wider because you have to be able to get
a compacted [clears throat] effort when
[41:01] I want to depends on what you're using
whether it's you know,
[41:04] jumping jack or vibratory paving or
whatever. I wouldn't recommend jumping
[41:08] jack if you're using plastic pipe
because you could
[41:12] real quickly you could bounce right on
top of it.
[41:15] » Is there any issue [clears throat]
switching between the double wall and
[41:18] hit the road with concrete and back to
double wall?
[41:22] You think particularly there that
>> It's just the gasket.
[41:27] » It's up to you guys to decide.
How else you going to decide?
[41:33] » Currently
I think within the county
[41:37] Yeah, we'll walk through there and as
long as we're going to have to go back
[41:41] there.
>> Right.
[41:43] » I agree with you.
>> I'm not aware of any rules that would
[41:45] prohibit us from using them.
>> Any help is good.
[41:52] What else we got?
>> Well, I mean it's a choice honestly. You
[41:56] guys make that decision.
You know. The HDPE that you know,
[42:01] plastic pipe is a whole lot easier
put in the ground. It just is. It's you
[42:08] know, you
>> No doubt.
[42:09] » You can pick it up with two laborers.
You know, you know, you don't have to
[42:14] have a great big excavator dropping it
down in the hole. The concrete are
[42:18] shorter sticks.
Plastic pipe are probably at least 20-ft
[42:22] sticks.
You know, it's just easier to deliver,
[42:26] easier to get it there, easier to it's
it is easier. I I'm not disagreeing with
[42:31] that.
Time for construction
[42:34] will be less.
>> That's why we give the two options on
[42:38] the cost so you guys can think well of
that.
[42:42] Make a decision.
[42:49] » I'm fine with plastic.
[42:57] The only kind I've I've got plenty of
good concrete on some Illinois farms,
[43:01] but
also put in
[43:04] finished in 1916, so
they didn't have plastic options back
[43:07] then.
>> And the new concrete is going to last a
[43:10] lot longer than the old concrete. You
know, like you mentioned, some of it
[43:13] » Yeah.
>> you just hit it and it fall apart.
[43:16] » Yeah. I mean, this didn't even fall
apart. I mean, we kind of really worked
[43:19] to get holes in this, but
but yeah, it's hard.
[43:24] » Yeah, from an engineering perspective,
honestly, I'm not worried about either
[43:27] option.
And I know that HDPE is going to save
[43:31] you close to half a million dollars.
Last time I found out half a million
[43:35] dollars go pretty quick.
>> [laughter]
[43:38] » About how many
You put this in I'm going to guess to me
[43:41] how many loads of rock would it take to
put in it like how much rock does it
[43:45] take to put in a 20-ft stick, would you
say?
[43:48] » Well,
it depends on what you're if you're
[43:51] [clears throat]
>> pipe
[43:51] » If well,
depends on if you're
[43:54] what the requirements are. If you're
just going to spring line and and you
[43:57] get, you know, if you're digging with
radius buckets and you're just putting
[44:00] basically on the edge of the pipe up to
like half of them, then I mean, you can
[44:03] go
>> quick.
[44:05] » Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to last a
while.
[44:07] » Yeah, but if if you're on the 42, if
you're owing it in, you got to undercut,
[44:11] you're putting rock under, now you're
putting compacted effort on the side you
[44:15] want to be wider.
Yeah.
[44:20] » The 42 will take a minute to put in, but
then the rest of it will become a lot
[44:24] easier.
>> The 42 is approximately probably a third
[44:29] of the length of the pipe.
>> So, [snorts]
[44:31] if we start with the 42, is it Is it a
Is it beneficial to do the 42 as
[44:37] concrete and then switch to plastic if
you're going to dig it in?
[44:41] » You could.
>> Would you
[44:42] » I I would feel better. 42 in is a big
pipe to be in plastic. I mean, you got
[44:46] to bend the hell out of it and you got
to know what you're doing.
[44:49] » I don't think Randy's got some laterals
in there.
[44:52] » Oh, I'm sure they do. There's laterals
in every acre out there.
[44:56] » I mean, I don't Is that going to be Is
that going to add significant risk and
[45:00] cost to us
putting that
[45:03] » I don't know. I mean, how in the hell do
you tie a lateral in the 42?
[45:10] » I used to hammer drill.
>> That's That's what I was going to
[45:15] » I would prefer somebody core it.
[45:23] » I mean, if you've got a bunch of
laterals running down that thing, I
[45:27] would say you'd be better off to have a
I mean, if it was mine, I'd put a sub
[45:30] main in there.
>> That's what I was going to say. I was
[45:32] going to say we would we would just hook
in one time on each side.
[45:35] » Yeah, and sub main it.
>> Because
[45:37] » that way you're only having two
connections to it versus
[45:40] 30.
>> time [clears throat] you open that 42 in
[45:42] pipe up, you're inviting a problem
down the road, in my opinion.
[45:47] » And that's just the reality of it. But
you're kind of taking that integrity out
[45:51] of it. I don't know.
>> Well, if you're going to do the If
[45:54] you're going to do that 18 in
>> You just put that 18 in and I don't
[45:56] think you've got anything you can hook
to it. So, if you just put it in, you'd
[45:59] be putting it in from that.
>> Yeah, you
[46:01] » just put it in at turn that outlet to
try and lateral as you think there are
[46:04] out there.
Nothing bigger than 12 in.
[46:07] » [snorts]
>> I doubt it.
[46:08] » I wouldn't think so.
>> You never know. Most of them are
[46:11] probably 4 or 6.
[46:15] » But when you get to talking about
just sub-main and then that's a bottom
[46:20] if you're going to do that, you could
probably go with the smaller pipe and
[46:23] then just put new outlets on each side
of that instead of sub-main attachments.
[46:27] And then I mean I'm creating a problem
here, but I'm saying
[46:30] » It's like going to have to just laugh at
me.
[46:32] » But I mean as a farmer, that's what a
farmer would do.
[46:34] » That's right.
>> I mean
[46:35] » That's exactly right.
>> Yeah, this cost just to be clear. If you
[46:39] look at line item number 10, it says
connect existing lateral to the main.
[46:45] Actual plumbing is to be determined, so
we priced it for a connection.
[46:49] If you have 100 connections, you got to
multiply that by 100.
[46:52] » Yeah.
>> connection you got to multiply that by
[46:54] 100.
>> Yeah.
[46:55] » Cuz there's no way for us to know that
to know that without
[46:59] getting into it.
>> And realize this is a government entity,
[47:03] so we can't we can't
>> Right.
[47:05] » shoot from the hip. We we've got to
>> At some point
[47:09] » Things we've got to do right.
>> I'll hook them up for that much
[47:14] » I'm going to switch gears on you.
Future tiling if we can tap we can tap
[47:18] in.
>> Yeah.
[47:20] » Future tile
>> Yeah.
[47:22] » into the main
>> Oh yeah.
[47:23] » Oh yeah, absolutely.
>> That's what it's for.
[47:24] » You just have to get you have to have
that permit to tie in.
[47:28] » We're up.
>> We know.
[47:30] Legally because of this maintained and
owned by the county, you have to get a
[47:34] permit.
But most installers know that.
[47:39] Unless you're in the wild west.
>> Well, we got an ordinance going to go
[47:43] into effect 2015 and I came out blank
one.
[47:46] permit
>> [laughter]
[47:49] » It says the ordinance went into effect,
so what's that tell you?
[47:52] » You're you're not you're you're not
unique. The county county has drains. I
[47:56] don't think they've ever got a pipe.
Uh
[48:00] County
um
[48:02] runs a pipe shed so we usually gets
those permits submitted.
[48:05] » Warren County does, too.
>> Yeah.
[48:07] » Randy should do it.
>> Yeah.
[48:11] » I mean, you guys are starting, you know,
>> I'm not a long a long run's going to be
[48:15] a
>> but you could get at least get that
[48:17] process started so the next supervisor
>> Black top Danny and whatever in my
[48:20] place.
>> Um
[48:22] » Black top Danny and whatever in my
>> I'm not talking about that.
[48:26] I do not envy you on your job.
[48:33] » [laughter]
>> He's far exceeded the expectations set
[48:37] prior to this seminar.
>> And once those processes are in place, I
[48:41] mean, they could they could be inherited
by the next person, you know. I mean, at
[48:45] some point Ron's going to say, "I'm
retiring."
[48:56] » [laughter]
[48:59] » Okay, what do you want to do?
Make a motion or something.
[49:06] I guess my recommendation is we go with
the HDPE
[49:10] uh
with uh
[49:13] concrete or structured backfill
underneath the county roads
[49:17] and or waterways.
[49:21] » Option two.
So, option two.
[49:24] I'll make a motion.
>> I'll second that motion.
[49:28] » You don't know what was in the motion.
That was just my recommendation.
[49:38] Now, I don't you know, I'm I'm I guess I
haven't really touched the 42-in pipe
[49:42] issue yet.
[49:45] » I think there's a few things you need to
consider. The 42-in what you want to do
[49:49] with that. The crossings, whether you're
going to go full engineer fill all the
[49:53] way to the top of the asphalt, or you
want to put concrete there and then
[49:57] backfill it.
So,
[49:59] when you make a motion, I think it would
help to be clear on which route you guys
[50:03] are going to go down there.
[50:08] » Is the soil like
anything like that, don't that play into
[50:11] that?
Nothing on that ground, or not?
[50:15] » That soil, every hole we dug was pretty
consistent.
[50:18] » Yeah.
[50:21] Pretty consistent there as far as soil
goes.
[50:23] » Yeah, some areas had 6 in of topsoil,
some areas had like half a foot, foot
[50:28] and a half of topsoil, but then
silty clay.
[50:34] » It's not where I live.
>> Well,
[50:37] » That's [laughter] not quite there.
>> That's why you need a tile.
[50:41] » and gravel.
>> Yeah, you don't need a tile there.
[50:44] » Make a fortune raising watermelons,
couldn't you?
[50:49] » Some areas were really surprised with
the amount of topsoil, it was very
[50:52] healthy.
[51:02] » I was going to be the first.
Yeah.
[51:07] Yeah, what?
[51:09] I think we
Let's Let's go with the concrete
[51:13] underneath the county roads and the in
the waterways.
[51:17] Uh
>> Sir, why in waterways? You don't have
[51:19] any
>> I I
[51:20] I just the fact that the cover is
probably going to be less.
[51:24] » The majority of that tile is in the
waterway.
[51:28] » I I mean, is there any waterways that
cross laterally to the tile?
[51:34] » No, we have two.
>> then I guess that waterway doesn't
[51:37] matter then.
>> No, yeah. The way the tile runs, it runs
[51:41] along the waterway.
>> Right.
[51:42] » The crossings are two county [snorts]
roads, two lanes, which one is a is not
[51:47] a county [clears throat] road
development, it's just a grass lane.
[51:50] gravel grass.
>> I'm not trying to argue with Dan, but my
[51:53] concern is switch it back from concrete
to
[51:57] plastic
dual wall. I mean, I'm I'm pretty
[52:00] confident with the compression fit as
long as you get it sealed right on dual
[52:05] wall.
I mean, tell me, you guys handle that
[52:08] big pipe more, but how good of a fit is
that concrete into that dual wall?
[52:13] That's my question if we switch back and
forth.
[52:17] So, that we're not creating a gap or a
suck later
[52:21] » Suck hole?
>> No, most time when you would do that,
[52:22] you would probably have to put a
inspection um
[52:27] port as what we would do. We would We
would go dual wall up to the inspection
[52:30] port, put an inspection port off of
off of the road
[52:34] um with the casting and then and then
you would go
[52:38] and then and then you'd go yeah, across
the road in concrete another inspection
[52:42] port and then go dual wall. I mean,
that's probably the right way and then
[52:45] you can check your inverts.
[52:49] That's what we've done in the past.
>> I I By the time we get four concrete
[52:54] collar around it
You could.
[52:58] » Yeah.
[53:01] » I just don't
[53:05] » So, one one of these crossings one of
these crossings is only crossing one is
[53:08] it?
>> No, it doesn't cross the road.
[53:11] » Two lanes.
>> 1,300 crossing is a 36 in.
[53:14] » Yeah.
>> And what does not prohibit it and then
[53:17] 1450 is a smaller pipe. 1450 is 24 in.
>> It's not even that big.
[53:23] » No, I can I can look at the covers one
more time to make sure that I'm
[53:27] comfortable with that and if we engineer
back for that all the way to asphalt
[53:31] cap it.
I will I will look at it, but I don't
[53:36] see a problem.
>> We crossed a lot of roads with with dual
[53:38] wall.
>> It's the correct way. mean. I've got
[53:41] dual wall underneath I-65, you know,
we're working on right now. So.
[53:44] » I don't foresee a problem, but I just
got to make sure that the cover is good.
[53:48] You know, and again, I mean, these
roads, yeah, you have a trash truck, you
[53:52] have farmers running in, but
>> Somebody would work at the most in truck
[53:57] traffic just based on superior coats
being there.
[54:01] » But
[54:05] We'll take a look at a at a loading of a
full semi.
[54:11] I think a look of, you know, that that
should be fine. My gut feeling tells me
[54:15] it's fine.
>> It depends on whether Carter loads it or
[54:17] Brent loads it.
How much weight you're going to be
[54:20] pulling.
>> I don't know.
[54:21] » Depends on whether you're hauling into
Illinois or anything.
[54:24] » [laughter]
>> So, I can tell you that from personal
[54:26] experience.
>> So, there by your outlet, um,
[54:28] you know, a lot of times if
you're having a flared end or well, I
[54:33] guess it's already probably
>> We have a flared end. A flared end with
[54:37] this
>> Okay, so
[54:40] you know, you would go you could go RCP
concrete on the first part, make that
[54:44] that kind of awkward bend and and then
as you soon as you got into the farm
[54:48] field
um
[54:50] or or even past that bend, take, you
know, and then and then
[54:53] » After the 245
>> Yeah, and
[54:56] you could do concrete to there, so it
was all concrete at your outlet coming
[55:00] » [clears throat]
>> do the double 45s till your turn and
[55:02] then as you're going straight line
Yeah, and then that would give that
[55:06] landowner a place to tie into dual wall
instead of the concrete. Um
[55:12] » Absolutely, because what we have where
we tie in is
[55:16] very little of it is in the field. The
rest of it is all of that wooded area
[55:19] that is not at the bottom.
>> So, concrete would make probably make
[55:22] sense in there. I mean, it would just
>> Yeah.
[55:26] And the tree roots will not grow back.
It's going to take them a lot longer to
[55:30] get to that concrete than just that.
>> Well, we have In our plans, we have the
[55:35] area where the realignment is.
I think it was 20 or 30 ft of tree
[55:40] removal for that.
Yeah, so we got to keep that lane clean.
[55:46] » I was saying that's one I would just
keep
[55:48] clear.
>> Once it's clean, yeah, just keep it
[55:50] mowed.
>> Bush hog it once a year for saplings and
[55:53] » That one, yeah. Yeah, I'm big into that.
[55:58] » Yeah, but the outlet on this one is a
little special. It's not just a pipe
[56:01] going through the creek because it comes
in at 90°, so we put a
[56:05] » dissipator or something like that.
>> It's a great 42-in
[56:09] 42-in pipe running full of water and
>> It's a lot.
[56:12] » We don't want to end up on the other
side of the creek.
[56:14] » Yeah.
[56:18] Would you riprap both sides of the
Absolutely. Both sides of this ditch or
[56:22] the creek running down through there?
>> We have ripraps. Well,
[56:26] the headwall is a specialized headwall.
>> I saw that. Yeah, I saw that.
[56:30] » Yeah, it's
a concrete headwall with these concrete
[56:33] pillars
out of it.
[56:36] So, it breaks down the energy quite a
bit.
[56:38] And then we have riprap on both sides.
>> And then this riprap comes in over here.
[56:44] » If you riprap on the other side of the
creek,
[56:47] we could do that. I don't think we did
that. We just riprap where the headwall
[56:50] is to protect it.
We could do that, but we got to use the
[56:55] riprap on
>> [clears throat]
[56:58] » Pretty good permitting issues, too.
>> Yeah, need some bigger riprap.
[57:05] And I don't
From having a lot of missing concrete, I
[57:09] used to use clean concrete slabs just to
put up there.
[57:12] » I like it all.
>> I know.
[57:14] » But
>> the farmer happens to have concrete. But
[57:16] they
[57:21] I think he's going to push pop back in
the woods somewhere. [snorts]
[57:23] » Yeah, I'm just saying I
No, they they frown they frown on it.
[57:27] They want clean riprap.
[57:34] » Okay. going to do the first and the
second.
[57:39] What is the ceiling
more than to the first and the other one
[57:43] after?
>> [clears throat]
[57:48] » Um
[57:54] I don't like the idea of running some
concrete after that
[57:57] second 45 from the outlet.
>> Yeah.
[58:03] » And then it's 30 the rest of the way.
>> Yeah.
[58:09] How can you do that, man?
>> With engineering backfill underneath the
[58:12] two gutter roads.
>> And the the 42-in has to be engineered
[58:15] backfill pre
pre wall.
[58:19] » You good?
>> If it's HDP.
[58:23] » That works. I would just do it on the
pavement. I know you said there's one
[58:26] lane there that's taking out the area. I
wouldn't worry about that on that one
[58:30] cuz that's not going to have traffic.
[58:34] » It's under water.
>> I don't know if they're
[58:35] » It's under water part of
>> I don't know if they're on the combine
[58:38] still those lanes or not or trucks.
>> So imagine
[58:41] » but
>> We don't.
[58:43] » We turn around before that but only if
it's fixed.
[58:46] » And the water's not there.
>> Might be a shortcut.
[58:49] » [laughter]
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Might be a
[58:51] shortcut over to the other road.
>> [clears throat]
[58:54] » But they're more likely to run over it
empty than full.
[58:56] » Yeah, most of the
>> Yeah, so okay.
[58:58] » That is a difference of 25,000 versus
>> Oh.
[59:00] » I put in 85,000 when you use it.
>> So what when you guys are loaded, you
[59:06] just get up on the gravel roads and just
go out, get on the county roads?
[59:10] » Probably.
>> Most of the time.
[59:11] » That's what I would do. I'm I'm a farmer
and I know it.
[59:14] » We don't just because it's
solid.
[59:17] » Solid.
>> But if it becomes solid,
[59:20] it's a lot easier to
instead of turning around out in the
[59:22] field to get the compaction out of the
field.
[59:24] But right now we turn in the field empty
and get on the
[59:29] We do.
>> the other
[59:30] » Well, it's always a problem, right?
>> You guys still have that problem in the
[59:34] rest of the drive being solid?
>> Yeah, the rest guys are solid.
[59:37] » It is?
>> Yeah.
[59:39] We got any problem?
[59:43] Make runs in the field.
[59:59] That thing is going to help that is, you
know, we're going to basically getting a
[1:00:02] lot of the surface water on the ground.
That's going to cut it out.
[1:00:07] problem.
>> Oh, yeah.
[1:00:10] Mentally.
>> It should.
[1:00:12] » Yeah, I had a few breathers designed
along the line. I tried to
[1:00:17] bias them towards where the plumbing
happens, so it'll be a problem.
[1:00:21] But honestly, it's all about
maintenance, right?
[1:00:24] The breather and it's full of corn
stalks and everything.
[1:00:28] » Yeah, that was one question I was going
to have. Are the I was going to ask are
[1:00:31] those more for
the need to get air flow through the
[1:00:34] pipe or they Okay.
>> Both.
[1:00:36] » All right.
>> I biased them towards the low areas to
[1:00:38] where we can get some of that water
discharged into the pipe.
[1:00:42] » Yeah.
>> But you need to have the air that flows
[1:00:44] through the pipe.
>> That's what I thought. This much
[1:00:46] distance and this much pipe.
>> Correct. Correct.
[1:00:48] » I've gotten to the point where I just
like sticking one pipe close together if
[1:00:51] I don't have to have an open place where
debris to
[1:00:56] accumulate.
>> Like I said, I I biased them towards
[1:00:59] those heavily wet areas.
So, they can help.
[1:01:03] But again, you know, we don't maintain
them.
[1:01:06] » Yeah, bingo.
>> That's why I don't run over them.
[1:01:10] We can burn them.
[1:01:13] Some of that's on
>> on your right.
[1:01:15] That's an off.
[1:01:18] » That's one of those gradually vacate
down St. Bernard's had a metal.
[1:01:22] » Yeah, metal on the road.
>> The one up by 1450 had metal cuz we
[1:01:26] were picking it up from the field.
Um combine or something ran over it
[1:01:31] through that.
>> [clears throat]
[1:01:33] » You You picked up a couple of pieces but
I mean your choice there.
[1:01:37] » But I mean this is more This is like a
standby which is down there by St.
[1:01:40] Bernice. It wasn't
It was yellow casing so
[1:01:48] » Nelson got fired. Nelson
>> What did he
[1:01:50] » He resigned
>> Well, I needed decision on first and
[1:01:53] second
[1:01:56] one of these plans and
proceed with
[1:01:59] » It sounds like we're going to end up
with a hybrid of these two plans.
[1:02:02] » Yeah. [clears throat]
>> I I think we should have the concrete
[1:02:05] from the outlet
through the second 45 and then HDPE
[1:02:09] [clears throat]
>> Okay.
[1:02:11] » from there on.
[1:02:15] » [clears throat]
>> I agree.
[1:02:18] » And that's easy for us to amend cuz
we'll put notes [snorts] on the plans
[1:02:22] that state that and then we'll amend the
quantities here just to show that.
[1:02:33] » We'll put in a motion.
[1:02:36] I guess between those two plans I know
we've had discussions about dual pipe
[1:02:42] at the 42 or
just having 42-in pipe and I don't know
[1:02:47] what does everybody think about that.
[1:02:53] I'm I'm again I'm I'm I'm not a big fan
of dual pipe.
[1:03:01] » I just want it to work the best as long
as possible. I don't want anyone in this
[1:03:05] room to have to worry about it for the
rest of their life.
[1:03:08] » I think dual pipe and then we'll have to
>> Right.
[1:03:11] » talk about this again.
>> Right.
[1:03:13] » [laughter]
>> I agree.
[1:03:15] » Well, we'll have some discussion
over the course of next year too.
[1:03:20] The one big thing is we got to get the
funding.
[1:03:23] » Yeah.
>> I will look on on the bedding
[1:03:26] requirements for those 42-in pipes if we
going to do a wall.
[1:03:30] I'll see how high we need to go with the
stone.
[1:03:33] Maybe halfway, maybe all the way up on
top of it. Up on top of
[1:03:39] 42-in pipe will be a large pipe.
>> When when do we need to have these plans
[1:03:43] ready to put out for bid?
>> We got to have them ready to submit
[1:03:49] for grant application.
>> Right.
[1:03:52] » Quickly.
>> Quickly.
[1:03:54] » If we're going to make it by next
spring.
[1:03:57] And I think so.
>> So,
[1:03:58] that's the estimated start, spring. It's
not a very good time to put tile in in
[1:04:03] the spring.
>> Well,
[1:04:05] » Contractors would rather be this next
summer. Uh
[1:04:08] » Yeah, but
the deadlines for the grants is what we
[1:04:13] got to meet.
Once we get the money, we spend it
[1:04:16] whenever we want. We command it,
basically.
[1:04:19] We got to make the deadlines for the
applications, we got to make the
[1:04:22] deadlines for the
>> We still know exactly when those
[1:04:25] deadlines are, according to the meeting
we had the other day.
[1:04:28] » Bill, you're up on that stuff. Usually,
it's
[1:04:31] They're awarding in the in like October,
November for
[1:04:36] April, May, something like that.
>> [clears throat]
[1:04:38] » going to be going through Department of
Agriculture.
[1:04:40] » Great.
>> Right now, they're
[1:04:43] uh
the guys at Springfield are considering
[1:04:46] federal grants.
Probably our best rural development.
[1:04:53] » I'm not familiar with timing on any
grants. So, ready grants is the only
[1:04:56] thing I've ever worked on. There's
nothing open there right now.
[1:05:00] But, I'm not sure what avenues you'd be
going down.
[1:05:02] » Well,
the one grant writer I talked to said we
[1:05:04] have to have it in have to get it in
early fall for a spring award.
[1:05:09] » Right.
>> In early spring for a fall award. grant.
[1:05:13] So, those are the time tables we're kind
of working at. And then I what I have to
[1:05:17] do is once you guys come up with
which are one of these plans you want,
[1:05:23] we come up with a dollar figure.
Um
[1:05:26] then we have to make a scientific ball
park guess
[1:05:31] of how
[1:05:35] put that matching fund in my 2027
budget.
[1:05:41] And that's we know I've got bills here
so I can maybe get a little bit quicker.
[1:05:45] » I I would just I would just go ahead and
use the the higher estimate you got
[1:05:50] right here for your matching funds.
>> Okay, but it'll have to be an
[1:05:54] [clears throat] itemized when we send in
the application it'll have to be
[1:05:59] or itemized, right?
>> Well, you can you can do that and then
[1:06:02] between the time the grant gets approved
and the time that we go to letting we
[1:06:07] decided to save costs.
>> Yeah, we can do that.
[1:06:10] » So, I I would go with a higher
Okay, the higher cost with this itemized
[1:06:16] breakdown that he's already provided us
for us, the 3,201,000
[1:06:22] for the grant.
>> When you when [clears throat] you need
[1:06:23] to come up with a
an educated guess for line item number
[1:06:28] 10.
>> Yeah, that's going to go up. I mean,
[1:06:30] that's a low ball right there. It's just
a
[1:06:32] » And that's the other thing, you know,
once we get this grant
[1:06:36] even though the contract says we pay
additional money to the contractor,
[1:06:39] there's not going to be any additional
money there for us to use. It's going to
[1:06:42] come out of the county.
>> That was my question.
[1:06:45] » What mechanism do you have for overruns?
>> It's [clears throat] it's there for the
[1:06:49] grant. There is none.
>> And that's what I that's what I
[1:06:53] » once you spend the amount of grant there
is no additional funds. So, overruns has
[1:06:56] to come out
>> of our pocket.
[1:06:58] » I got
out of the county.
[1:07:00] » I can't put a factor of safety on these
costs. These are actual close to actual
[1:07:04] costs. I can do an engineering safety on
them.
[1:07:08] Like a 1.2 or 1.3 million.
>> I would say
[1:07:19] For
item 10, I would I would I would say an
[1:07:22] estimated Well, how many miles is it?
[1:07:27] » It is
[1:07:30] How many linear feet?
>> 15,000 linear feet?
[1:07:33] » I'm I'm I'm trying to
>> It's about 15.
[1:07:36] » Yeah, it's about 15.
>> I'm looking at the length of your
[1:07:38] crushed pipe. 15,000?
>> 15,500, yeah.
[1:07:42] » So
[1:07:46] » Well, it's more than that because if we
add anything north of 1450, that's all
[1:07:51] additional.
Which is
[1:07:55] another 18
in ch
[1:08:00] another 3,000 3,000 ft. So, you're
looking at
[1:08:05] about 19,000
19,000 ft
[1:08:09] Almost a mile
>> I would say put 30 in there.
[1:08:15] Just just you know, I mean, probably
will be end up being more, but at least
[1:08:19] we have cost in there to cover some of
it, I guess.
[1:08:21] » 30 what?
>> Oh, for an item 10. And I think that's
[1:08:25] the connections laterals.
I'm just throwing out a
[1:08:30] a suggestion.
>> It was an example.
[1:08:32] » I was just trying to think. I know I've
got
[1:08:35] » How many do you have?
>> Two coming from the east.
[1:08:40] Four from the west I'm aware of.
That's six on the books.
[1:08:46] » And what percentage of this your farm
hookup is water?
[1:08:48] » Uh it's from uh
from
[1:08:52] 13 to
[1:08:55] half a line.
>> Right? 1350 to 1370 line.
[1:09:00] » 1,300 to 1,350. So, that's that's a lot.
Half mile.
[1:09:04] » Half mile. Half mile.
>> You said you have six years.
[1:09:10] » I think it.
>> Maybe 30 is about the right number.
[1:09:14] » Very likely.
>> Just throwing [clears throat] something
[1:09:17] out there to try to cover some costs and
over.
[1:09:21] » I understand that the quantity one is
just to preserve the length. I
[1:09:24] understand that.
>> No, it's also to build a budget.
[1:09:27] » Well, now I'll multiply by 30 if I
assume 30.
[1:09:30] Then we can multiply that.
That number
[1:09:33] over.
>> Factor of safety, what do you want me to
[1:09:35] put on it?
>> We're talking about funding and the
[1:09:38] not to end up with the county holding
the bag if they go as overage.
[1:09:43] Um
I can do a 1.3 multiplier.
[1:09:46] That's fairly safe.
If we bust by 30% we're going to have
[1:09:50] problems.
[1:09:53] » Yes, six per half mile. And so you got
that by
[1:09:57] three half miles and four mile stretch.
48.
[1:10:02] Yeah.
24.
[1:10:08] » How many?
>> In action.
[1:10:10] I don't know what I mean. Existing is
>> I'm not talking about existing.
[1:10:14] I'm not over here.
>> Quite a few.
[1:10:17] » Yeah, but we're probably going to sub
that in. We're talking about
[1:10:22] » I was talking the factor of safety not
only for a number of time.
[1:10:25] » He's a ball park.
>> Yeah.
[1:10:27] » He's talking about factor of safety just
to over
[1:10:30] » average.
>> Yeah.
[1:10:31] I'll make sure that we don't you know,
the county doesn't end up holding the
[1:10:35] bag.
[1:10:38] » Interesting.
>> Yeah.
[1:10:41] I'm I'm going to do 1.3 until somebody
else tells me no.
[1:10:45] » That's pretty high, but that's that's
>> It is pretty high.
[1:10:48] But at least it covers you and then you
know.
[1:10:53] » You want me to have this put in the form
of a motion by the way.
[1:10:57] » [laughter]
[1:10:59] » So
[1:11:02] » [clears throat and cough]
[1:11:05] » I
I think that we
[1:11:10] keep the 42-in
throughout.
[1:11:15] We
Not throughout. Where he's shown on the
[1:11:18] plans. Okay.
We uh have concrete from the outlet to
[1:11:24] through the second 45.
>> I got
[1:11:27] » north of the outlet.
>> Got that.
[1:11:29] » HDPE from there on.
Uh
[1:11:35] We have uh
30 laterals connected.
[1:11:39] » Got that.
>> And we
[1:11:43] Would you say 1.3?
>> Unless you feel differently. I just
[1:11:47] » 1.3%
uh safety factor for cost overruns.
[1:11:53] » Got that.
[1:11:56] » And I made that motion.
[1:12:02] » Yeah, I'll second.
>> Okay. Do Do you have any problems? I
[1:12:05] mean, I'm just
>> No, I just told Brent. I mean, I You're
[1:12:09] You're the
You do this all the time.
[1:12:11] » Yeah.
>> As a farmer and a drainage guy that's
[1:12:14] putting in my own drainage, I know what
I do. I'd split it and keep both down
[1:12:18] cuz I'm pretty confident that I can do
it.
[1:12:23] And
just not have to pay the extra
[1:12:27] » If you guys would prefer that, then I
don't have a problem with you guys
[1:12:30] saying that.
>> That's my own my own
[1:12:32] » I'm I'm I'm
>> I appreciate
[1:12:33] » I'm the engineer
>> No, I mean, I'm I'm I got confidence in
[1:12:37] your decision and I don't I don't think
I
[1:12:40] » I've been in heavy highway construction
for 35 years. That's just, you know, and
[1:12:44] I've always dealt with the owner's side
of things, you know, not on
[1:12:48] » Uh-huh.
>> Uh
[1:12:49] so
>> So, could some of those
[1:12:52] decisions be more I mean, to get your
budget, can some of those be like it
[1:12:57] could an alternative when it comes
closer time to the LED light that you're
[1:13:00] talking about? I mean,
you made the motion for, you know, doing
[1:13:03] HDPE, but, you know, does some does that
do those details connect
[1:13:09] change at any point or are we set in
stone now?
[1:13:11] » No, they're subject to change.
The short of it is we have to get our
[1:13:17] our bid document pretty close to ready
so we can get
[1:13:21] the process started to get the grant.
>> If you want to split the box
[1:13:25] » If we don't get the grants, we don't
have the money money to do the job.
[1:13:28] » If you want to split the box beyond that
42-in going to the 245, want to split
[1:13:34] the remaining 42,
you need to tell me so I can model it
[1:13:39] and make sure it works.
>> And that's going to
[1:13:43] we're going to pay him more money to do
that cuz that's he's We've already paid
[1:13:47] him for for this right here.
>> right here.
[1:13:51] » I need to make sure that we're not
making a decision just on a whim saying,
[1:13:55] "Yeah, I think we should split it."
>> Uh-huh.
[1:13:58] » I want to put the division.
>> I'm I'm coming from the standpoint
[1:14:04] of
going through all these records of this
[1:14:06] county and all the screw-ups and save a
nickel here and 30 years down the road
[1:14:12] it costs $100,000.
Perspective. And that's kind of where
[1:14:17] we're at with this thing.
And it happens time and time and time
[1:14:21] again. And
but, you know, for my perspective, I'd
[1:14:24] rather see the 42-in and have confidence
that
[1:14:29] long after all of us are dead and gone,
it's still working.
[1:14:35] That's that's
>> I agree, but we can we can we can
[1:14:39] engineer and design anything to the to
the T and if it's not put in correctly
[1:14:45] » Right.
>> you know, we're
[1:14:48] you know, we've absolutely
got nothing. So
[1:14:52] » want us to take a look at where the 36
come in?
[1:14:56] Put a junction box
and run two 36s
[1:15:00] to see if
it works.
[1:15:01] » I think that's kind of what these guys
are saying they'd like to do.
[1:15:05] » Well, I'm just
[1:15:11] I mean, I don't know
what a 36
[1:15:15] What does a 36 look like?
>> 13733
[1:15:23] » I think it was a little
>> How are the costs of the three? Are they
[1:15:26] reasonable in comparison to how they
were before?
[1:15:28] » I mean, for us it's on the high side,
but we're not
[1:15:33] but traditionally we're non-union
company doing ag drainage, so but when
[1:15:38] you're talking about prevailing wage and
all, I mean, I understand that, but I
[1:15:41] think that
it's on the higher side of the cost.
[1:15:45] » That's a good answer.
>> Get it. Cuz I'd rather be on the high
[1:15:47] side.
>> Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
[1:15:49] » can technically under Once we get it
Once we have the
[1:15:52] » Yeah, we can Once we get the money, we
can pretty much change We can do a lot
[1:15:56] of changing
without violating the grant.
[1:16:01] » And he's got And I don't know
if that's going to affect the way he's
[1:16:04] going to install it.
>> He's got to
[1:16:05] » He's got to be a competitive bidder. He
doesn't want to lose one just by saying,
[1:16:08] "Oh, I know the numbers. I'm going to go
over there."
[1:16:10] » I mean, that, you can't you can't
I mean, using those numbers, you can't
[1:16:15] split it up. I mean, even if you run a
36 and a 30, you're still
[1:16:20] » But you're doubling the the 36-in pipe
though in that run, so you have to
[1:16:24] understand
>> Yeah, what he's saying is it's actually
[1:16:26] going to cost more.
>> Yeah.
[1:16:28] » But
I'm saying if you can machine install,
[1:16:32] then that could make your cost
>> I mean, I don't
[1:16:34] » down quite a bit on that. That's that's
something I'm saying.
[1:16:37] » Yeah.
[1:16:42] » Well, that's a decision that we once we
get to dollars.
[1:16:45] Really, when you get right down to it,
can we?
[1:16:48] I mean, as long as you're comfortable
that the water will flow through the
[1:16:51] pipe,
then then when we get ready to bid, then
[1:16:55] if we have to make a decision between
the 236s or How about this? We we just
[1:17:00] have him do what we just said, concrete
through the second 45.
[1:17:04] » Yeah.
>> HDPE everywhere else, all 42-in, and
[1:17:08] then at the right, you know,
>> We after we get the money and we get
[1:17:11] closer to bid, we can go back to him and
say, "We'd like for you to revise
[1:17:15] these." And pay him additional cost at
that time to do that.
[1:17:18] » Yeah, it works. It works. And if it
doesn't, yeah.
[1:17:20] » It'd be like a second option or
something, maybe.
[1:17:22] » Yeah, we could do that. I mean, we can
put even in the bid as a as an
[1:17:26] alternative, a non-binding non-binding
alternative,
[1:17:31] 236-in central, assuming they would
work. Again, I got to design them to see
[1:17:35] and model them to see that they do work.
But we can put that as an alternative
[1:17:39] for you guys, so you can have that cost.
>> We need to vote on that motion.
[1:17:45] » So, you have a solid motion? I mean, you
>> Well, I've got first and second, but I
[1:17:48] don't have the both.
>> All right. All in favor? All right. All
[1:17:52] right.
Any opposed?
[1:17:55] » Opposed to that.
>> Okay. Now, let's talk about some money.
[1:18:01] Is that where we're at?
[1:18:04] Okay.
We started out,
[1:18:08] let's do the engineering. Couldn't find
anything in Indiana, so I ended up going
[1:18:12] through the University of Nebraska.
And I had a list of about 40 companies
[1:18:17] that were ag related.
Of those 40,
[1:18:22] 30 of them only worked in Nebraska.
Uh of the 10,
[1:18:27] uh
we contacted five. Of the five, three
[1:18:34] were interested, and since that time,
two have dropped out.
[1:18:37] and so we're we are left here with
MEC, which is Martin Engineering in
[1:18:43] Springfield, Illinois.
They
[1:18:47] have proposed that
Ben and I met with them on Zoom cuz I
[1:18:50] figured all you guys would still be in
the field.
[1:18:53] Was that last week, Dan? It was last
week.
[1:18:56] What they're proposing is for their flat
I like their rates run anywhere from 150
[1:19:03] to
uh 150 is the high per hour.
[1:19:09] Uh
[1:19:12] to do the research to say, "Okay, you
apply for you can apply for
[1:19:17] uh this much uh rural development money.
You can apply for this much Oprah money.
[1:19:22] You can apply for this much whatever
tree-hugging money from
[1:19:26] the Indian reservation, whatever it is,
and put together a package for us."
[1:19:32] What they can't tell us
is
[1:19:37] what the estimate
for matching funds.
[1:19:43] Did I say that right? They can't tell us
what their total costs are going to be
[1:19:48] for their professional services to to to
seek and pursue grant funds. Right. It's
[1:19:56] just per hour rate. Right.
So,
[1:20:00] in our in our budget for professional
services, it's for the remainder of the
[1:20:05] year,
and we have $23,751.
[1:20:10] We asked him what his estimation was,
and it was he thought it was around
[1:20:14] 20,000 at the most at the high end.
And the one girl out in Pennsylvania we
[1:20:18] was talking to about about out he said
16.
[1:20:22] So,
[1:20:25] they're
they're in the ballpark.
[1:20:29] So, what we need is they vote
to proceed with hiring MEC
[1:20:35] under I got to get this on the record.
Indiana code 36-9-27-30
[1:20:42] to allow me to hire them to pursue
our funding for us
[1:20:47] at this point.
Then
[1:20:51] if they come up with a plan, then we'll
have to rehire them at 27
[1:20:56] under a separate contract actually write
the grants and
[1:21:00] do all the double publishing and all
that.
[1:21:04] So, that's where we're at now.
[1:21:08] » I'm pretty much the only one.
>> We're the only one that's left out of
[1:21:11] the list that I started with. [snorts]
>> Fair enough.
[1:21:15] And you
don't like their Bible then.
[1:21:19] » I don't know anything about it. I don't
I don't
[1:21:21] » You don't have a choice.
>> They're He's licensed in Indiana, so the
[1:21:25] guy that we talked to.
>> And there's none in Indiana?
[1:21:28] » Well, I'm sure there are. None of the
None of the people that the county
[1:21:31] usually would
use was even interested. They wouldn't
[1:21:35] talk to me. Christy Gerold was another
one.
[1:21:37] » Okay.
>> So.
[1:21:39] » Fair enough.
>> They They Their perspective was Indiana
[1:21:42] doesn't have any money and Wayne County
sitting on too much cash, you won't get
[1:21:47] any money.
Uh but these guys said, "Well, if you go
[1:21:50] through
the federal program
[1:21:53] » Got you.
>> You got us more. Which is what they
[1:21:56] asked us to get some They asked us and
this was brief One of the things I
[1:22:00] wanted to ask Bill uh
They were talking about the LMI numbers,
[1:22:05] Bill.
They said, "The federal grants LMI SD
[1:22:11] block groups. The amount of funding we
can get depends upon the LMI numbers."
[1:22:18] Are you familiar with the
>> know what those are.
[1:22:21] Or maybe you
Do you know what they are?
[1:22:23] » No. I but Scott Craig sent me the
LMISD by block groups.
[1:22:30] Uh
last census for May and County.
[1:22:36] And it comes up with a
low 205 up to a
[1:22:45] a
low
[1:22:48] modular
something 1070. So, I don't know what
[1:22:52] these numbers mean. I have no idea.
He did one for He did one for Highland
[1:22:56] Township and then he did one for the
county as a whole.
[1:22:59] » There's There's what's called the census
census groups or census categories that
[1:23:04] that it's eligibility dependent upon the
income level of the
[1:23:08] » I I That's what this is.
>> That's what this all
[1:23:10] is. This is income level and they
He was asking what whether we thought
[1:23:14] it's best we localize just in the
drainage area or use the whole county.
[1:23:19] And
he was probably suggesting the whole
[1:23:22] county because
sometimes if you use just just the
[1:23:26] drainage area, which is usually
a farming community, it might
[1:23:31] » income per head household
>> income per head household per
[1:23:36] the entire [clears throat]
>> If you include Clinton, I've seen some
[1:23:40] stats that
Clinton median income is lower than the
[1:23:44] county's median income.
>> Okay. And that may be
[1:23:46] » diluted by a little bit.
>> So, anyway, we need a motion to
[1:23:52] finance or
[1:23:56] Well, I I think we're all in agreement
that we want to pursue this this
[1:24:00] » We don't have a choice, do we?
>> this
[1:24:03] drain, so I think we need to pursue
trying to get m- funding for it cuz
[1:24:10] currently we don't have any funding in
this
[1:24:14] drain funds.
>> No.
[1:24:16] » There's zero.
>> Well, no. We
[1:24:19] At the end of the year, we'll have
$2,500.
[1:24:22] » [laughter]
>> I right. All right. Yeah, first
[1:24:24] collection
we'll have $2,592.
[1:24:29] » Okay. So,
I'm just
[1:24:32] » Of that, only 10% can be used for
reconstruction.
[1:24:36] » All right. So,
anyway,
[1:24:39] so I believe we
we have to pursue we have to pursue
[1:24:43] whatever grants we can get, okay? Unless
the unless the council's willing to
[1:24:48] give us non-matching funds.
>> That's my next
[1:24:51] next thing to talk about.
>> So, I
[1:24:56] I I make I make a motion we sign the
paperwork and
[1:25:01] and have them pursue with the
understanding they can't go over our
[1:25:06] amount of professional services money
that we're allowed to spend.
[1:25:09] Okay.
[1:25:16] » I mean, I don't I don't stop with them.
I don't see if we got another option.
[1:25:19] » I mean, okay.
[1:25:23] Need a vote.
>> I.
[1:25:24] » I.
>> All in favor, I.
[1:25:28] » Okay.
So, I'll take care of that.
[1:25:32] Bring this to you.
And just make sure I got this done.
[1:25:37] » [snorts and clears throat]
[1:25:43] » When it comes to the matching funds,
there's two routes.
[1:25:48] The Indiana County Surveyors Association
is a big proponent of establishing a
[1:25:53] general drainage fund.
And then getting the council, the
[1:25:58] commissioners,
economic development, redevelopment,
[1:26:04] county farm, whoever to kick money in
and build a cash reserve up into that
[1:26:09] fund
that is administered by the council
[1:26:14] and that the council would loan the
drainage board
[1:26:17] to come up with matching funds.
And then
[1:26:21] the assessment from the landowners
plus
[1:26:26] would be based on that and and we would
repay that county fund at
[1:26:31] whatever the the fee is plus interest
for however many years it takes
[1:26:38] to pay that cash balance off to the
county.
[1:26:42] The advantage of doing that is number
one
[1:26:46] we're paying interest back to the
county. We're not paying it to a bank
[1:26:50] somewhere.
The other advantage is Indiana Land Bank
[1:26:55] and most of these
uh firms who are doing drainage loans
[1:27:01] are a maximum 5-year term.
[1:27:07] But Craig, who's the attorney for the
council, is a strong proponent of bonds
[1:27:15] and issuing bonds.
I don't know combination short-term
[1:27:19] long-term bonds.
And I'm not exactly sure what the terms
[1:27:23] are on those. He's done a lot of those
for the city Terre Haute and oh, he did
[1:27:28] it for Dana for the water for the Dana
got the new water tower.
[1:27:32] I think that he did it for Dana water
tower and things like that.
[1:27:36] Uh so, to raise cash for the matching
funds doing
[1:27:41] bonds. Now, to go through the bonds
they you got a lot of legal fees that
[1:27:47] goes with writing the bonds up, issuing
the bonds, marketing the bonds,
[1:27:52] administering the bonds and all that
kind of stuff.
[1:27:59] And also uh also
I don't know that we actually have any
[1:28:03] money in the TIF fund that is there yet.
Do we know?
[1:28:09] Cuz there's not been [clears throat] any
investment there yet.
[1:28:12] » Is that a 74 area?
>> Yeah, there's no there's no TIFF revenue
[1:28:15] coming in.
>> There's no there's no money there. So,
[1:28:16] that's not
>> It's been It's been no no no incremental
[1:28:18] taxable properties.
>> So, that's not nothing we can count on.
[1:28:22] » We'd like to get some development up
there by the way, Scott.
[1:28:25] » Hey, if we don't get rid of the water,
ain't nobody going to go over there.
[1:28:28] » Yeah, that's that's the reason I'm
coming to the meetings.
[1:28:30] » So,
[1:28:34] what I
would probably do, depending on what MEC
[1:28:39] says,
uh is come back to the board and ask
[1:28:42] that the board to to
make a formal request of the council
[1:28:48] to do bonds or to do the general revenue
bonds or
[1:28:52] whatever
part of we decide to come up with as
[1:28:56] matching funds.
[1:28:59] The one girl that I really thought was
going to jump on this for writing the
[1:29:04] grant, she says you need to figure at
least 25%.
[1:29:10] matching funds.
But, a lot of cases,
[1:29:15] that's too much.
But, if you have any kind of federal
[1:29:19] money mixed in with that, sometimes that
gets cleared out to 50% match.
[1:29:27] So,
uh
[1:29:31] anyway, just so you know that when I
send in my budget for 2027, which was
[1:29:36] due last week,
they gave me permission to
[1:29:40] to turn it in
before the end of the month because of
[1:29:43] this meeting.
>> [clears throat]
[1:29:45] » I'm going to have to come up with a
[1:29:49] estimate
for that matching funds. So, it sounds
[1:29:53] like it's going to be 3.2 million.
25% of the 3.2 million.
[1:30:01] So, I'm going to be requesting
So, when it comes time to present the
[1:30:06] budget to the council. I may need some
uh
[1:30:09] few uh board members to come with me.
[1:30:13] The more people we have, the better show
we got.
[1:30:17] Okay.
[1:30:20] Uh
[1:30:24] Anybody got questions on any of that?
[1:30:28] » Do you have a backup plan?
>> Well,
[1:30:34] Clinton County
>> Wait till we get the matching funds for
[1:30:38] this deal.
>> Yeah. Clinton County has done some deals
[1:30:43] where
the individual land owners
[1:30:47] have financed it.
[1:30:51] Uh
that's my
[1:30:53] And I'm
Yeah,
[1:30:54] just hang on. I'm [laughter] dying.
Don't have a heart attack.
[1:30:59] » [clears throat]
>> Uh
[1:31:01] in return
>> [snorts]
[1:31:02] » uh for
uh some abatement, but they were doing
[1:31:05] smaller,
you know,
[1:31:08] projects.
But that there is some
[1:31:12] some things that other counties have
done out there
[1:31:16] uh and
until we know what these guys
[1:31:21] can come up with for us, I really don't
know what the plan B will be.
[1:31:25] » You don't have an idea.
>> It's going to take a long time to
[1:31:27] collect enough assessments to do it.
>> Yeah.
[1:31:30] » $2,500 a year.
>> That's [clears throat] exactly right.
[1:31:34] » So his grandkids still qualify.
>> I'm not worried about that. I'm not
[1:31:38] worried about it.
>> So it's it's not a problem.
[1:31:40] » [clears throat]
[snorts]
[1:31:42] » I don't think so.
[1:31:45] » What are you wanting from us, I guess is
what I'm trying to
[1:31:47] » Nothing yet. I'm just laying the
groundwork.
[1:31:51] » Okay.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
[1:31:52] » He's just telling you you're going to
show up to a meeting and ask for
[1:31:54] $800,000.
>> Okay.
[1:31:57] Uh the other thing is the update on the
reestablishing the Rausch Drain.
[1:32:03] Um
The city of Danville, I met with their
[1:32:07] engineers. They're all on board. They'll
help us do whatever it is we need to do.
[1:32:11] And that's north of
the 1500 goes through Allensworth.
[1:32:17] 1550
>> Is that the big up and that's across the
[1:32:20] 136 or is that the one that goes west
across?
[1:32:23] » That's the one right there right there
by um
[1:32:27] AC deal across
>> So, it goes across 300, right?
[1:32:29] » It goes across
>> Okay, that's what I thought. That's what
[1:32:31] I thought. I was just making sure.
[1:32:34] » Um
As soon as you go south of that road,
[1:32:38] Danville Township guys won't return your
call. They won't answer an email. They
[1:32:42] sent them certified letters.
So,
[1:32:46] when we get to that point, I I'm not
sure. I did
[1:32:50] I I asked the judge and the prosecutor
said, "Have you ever dealt with anybody
[1:32:54] on the other side of the state line? How
do you How do you get their attention?"
[1:32:58] And basically, Judge Reed said, "Well,
there's not a whole lot you can do
[1:33:03] unless they flood you.
If they flood you, you can take them to
[1:33:06] court.
You can ask for damages."
[1:33:10] » That'd be federal court? Is this the
>> The The county court.
[1:33:15] That'd be That'd be causing damages in
our county.
[1:33:18] » Okay.
>> I've tried I've talked to the Army Corps
[1:33:20] of Engineers and unless it's a natural
waterway, they they really don't don't
[1:33:25] want to get messed don't want to touch
it.
[1:33:27] » empties into
>> Eventually, it gets to the
[1:33:30] Um oh, the other thing Danville wanted
to know about that is I did
[1:33:36] send the coordinates for every bridge on
that creek all the way down to the Big
[1:33:40] Vermilion River right across the road
from my house, actually. It comes in.
[1:33:45] Uh
and uh DNR did send me their
[1:33:48] What do I call you that was? Flow flow
rate, something like that.
[1:33:52] » yeah.
>> Flow rates at each bridge. So, we know
[1:33:55] how much water that creek can take when
it comes time to
[1:33:58] design that thing.
>> Is that creek continuously running?
[1:34:02] » Oh, it's not.
>> It's jurisdictional.
[1:34:05] It falls under the US Army Corps of
Engineers.
[1:34:08] » Yeah.
>> If it's a if it has a high water mark,
[1:34:10] it's jurisdictional.
>> Yeah, but the legal drain, once it dumps
[1:34:13] into that creek, yes. The The creek
starts at the end of the legal drain.
[1:34:17] » Right. The creek is jurisdictional.
>> But the DNR thought that the legal drain
[1:34:20] was part of the creek and it's not and
I've sent them the paperwork.
[1:34:25] » I don't think he has some
>> That was the core of engineers.
[1:34:28] » Yeah.
>> It's an open ditch and the Corps of
[1:34:30] Engineers says if the ditch or the tile
was there before the it was declared a
[1:34:34] wetland by DNR,
it's a regulated drain.
[1:34:38] » Period.
>> No, there's no gray areas on that.
[1:34:43] » Okay.
>> Uh
[1:34:48] » [laughter]
>> Next thing, uh
[1:34:51] With all the rain, I've been called out
on
[1:34:55] all kinds of silly
road ditches
[1:34:58] flooding and I had I've noticed there's
been some culverts put in that is
[1:35:04] wrong size. I'm not an engineer and I
can look at things wrong.
[1:35:08] Uh
and so I got to thinking, well,
[1:35:12] the the county road supervisors are
supposed to be the ones that are
[1:35:16] supposed to size that and get permission
to put culverts in.
[1:35:21] And those guys are pretty good. They've
got a lot of years of experience, but
[1:35:24] they're not engineers.
And so our building inspector is a civil
[1:35:28] engineer and I gave him a copy of our
ordinance and asked him look at
[1:35:33] and see if he would consider, as he's
just doing his normal
[1:35:37] uh
building inspections, uh
[1:35:41] look at culverts on driveways
and
[1:35:45] and just kind of keep an eye on it.
Let's, you know,
[1:35:48] let us know if there's something just
not right. His only reluctance in doing
[1:35:53] that is says he's
From an engineering standpoint, he
[1:35:56] really didn't want to carry a transit
before he goes.
[1:36:00] But well, I don't know where you can use
that or use the GIS elevations.
[1:36:06] So, we're kind of kicking that idea
around.
[1:36:09] Okay.
>> You would also have to model those
[1:36:11] culverts.
>> Yeah.
[1:36:12] » For the 10-year storm.
>> Yeah.
[1:36:14] » So, he needs to establish the watershed
for each culvert.
[1:36:17] » Well, I did you know what you have to
write. There you go. [laughter]
[1:36:22] » Send it my way.
>> I will.
[1:36:25] Okay.
Two other things that's been on the back
[1:36:29] burner for quite a while.
Um
[1:36:34] Several of the of the surveyor meetings
and the watershed meetings that I've
[1:36:38] been to, they're really taking exception
to recycled plastic being used
[1:36:45] exposed in field tile.
But
[1:36:48] Now, I don't know if that's a problem
for field tile, but if it is exposed,
[1:36:54] is that something that we want to add to
our ordinance to say, "Hey, you can't
[1:36:57] use recycled plastic on the discharge
end of tile?"
[1:37:02] » Are you doing slides? I can talk about
the whole project in here.
[1:37:05] » Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's a problem.
[1:37:06] » Because the sunlight
>> is it's a public
[1:37:08] » The sunlight I guess the sunlight
deteriorates and really makes it
[1:37:12] brittle.
>> [clears throat]
[1:37:13] » Makes it brittle and it breaks off real
easy.
[1:37:16] Is that something that we should add to
the
[1:37:20] » Probably for private.
>> If it is, I'll I'll work on verbage and
[1:37:23] send it to you guys and we can look at
it in a month or two.
[1:37:27] » But you talk about private tile too,
Ron.
[1:37:30] You know, why would you have
jurisdiction?
[1:37:33] » Not on private tile.
It wouldn't be private.
[1:37:36] » Well, maybe just because
>> Because it's not going to be public.
[1:37:39] » Yeah.
>> Just say anything on public public land.
[1:37:42] » Or
Are you talking like a culvert or you
[1:37:45] talking like an actual
>> Well, if if the tile is going to dump
[1:37:49] out into a
a creek
[1:37:51] » Yeah.
>> the end of it exposed can't be
[1:37:55] » Yeah.
>> recycled plastic. It has to be
[1:37:58] And that brings us to the next thing
that they are advocating is that the
[1:38:02] last 20 ft of any tile that dumps into a
creek
[1:38:06] or waterway [clears throat] needs to be
steel. What do they call it?
[1:38:10] Because of all the field fires we've had
and they've got problems with tile
[1:38:14] melting.
>> Is that concrete?
[1:38:18] Steel's going to rot.
It's going to deteriorate.
[1:38:20] » Is that something that you want that I
should work on and put that in
[1:38:24] » And 20 ft seems a little excessive.
>> You're talking new
[1:38:28] new
>> Yeah, you don't have to go back and
[1:38:30] re-fix anything. Anything new to them
needs to be the last 20 ft or 10
[1:38:35] » So, okay, here's another question. So,
you're saying
[1:38:37] » Well, if you've got an open ditch,
that's county main.
[1:38:40] » Yeah.
>> So, you're saying
[1:38:42] He wants to go put in a new 6 or 8 you
want him to put in
[1:38:46] but he always runs
recycled. You want him his outlet to be
[1:38:51] » They need to be concrete or steel.
>> Okay. I'm just clarifying that I
[1:38:55] understand what we're all
talking about.
[1:38:57] » So, the field fires don't melt them.
>> I don't know. I've burned a lot of
[1:39:02] ditches up and not melted all of them,
so
[1:39:04] I don't know about I burned that one a
couple years ago.
[1:39:08] It didn't melt all of it. I mean, it all
depends on how long it's going to burn.
[1:39:11] » So, and how fast the wind's blowing.
>> So, does the drainage board have to fix
[1:39:16] them if they get melted off or is it the
farmer?
[1:39:18] » Yeah, the farmer.
>> Uh
[1:39:25] I want plastic outlets.
>> I do, too. So, if the county's not in
[1:39:29] charge to fix them
>> And I'm We're just saying that it goes
[1:39:33] into county or a natural creek or that
>> If the pipe itself is a county pipe
[1:39:40] I say it's fine. Like this one we're
discussing now. If
[1:39:45] the ditch is the county's jurisdiction,
then I say it's up to whoever's
[1:39:49] installed.
That's my opinion on it.
[1:39:53] » They're wanting They're suggesting that
we say, "Hey, it it has to be
[1:39:57] » If you're tied into this ditch, you need
to do this."
[1:39:59] » Yeah, if you're tied, yeah.
Is that something you want me to do?
[1:40:02] » I don't know.
>> Okay.
[1:40:04] » In Illinois, we don't have that cuz I
can show you I mean, we've got
[1:40:07] » Now, this just did
>> I know. I know. I'm just saying I got
[1:40:09] one huge ass open ditch in Illinois that
This street has got everything.
[1:40:13] » This recycle stuff and this concrete on
discharging just came out of the last
[1:40:17] meeting, so
What they're saying is when when the
[1:40:21] at the outflow, if it starts breaking
down, it's going to cause erosion and
[1:40:24] you're going to lose the side of your
ditch and everything else.
[1:40:27] » That's that's same way with
>> It's going to drain in that, fixing the
[1:40:31] side of the ditch and everything is on
us to fix.
[1:40:33] » Okay.
>> Just preventing those issues.
[1:40:35] » Yeah.
[1:40:37] » So, is that something you want me to add
to
[1:40:40] or do you want me to want me to put that
in the ordinance?
[1:40:43] » I'll put something together and at a
meeting down the road, we'll talk about
[1:40:47] it, I guess, is what I'm my
>> Okay.
[1:40:51] » Uh
I don't know. Wait. I've I've printed
[1:40:55] off of
where we're at on the drainage board
[1:40:58] budget, if anybody wants a copy.
Got it here and and what I'm going to
[1:41:02] request for next year.
Um
[1:41:06] The couple items I left out last year
was, you know,
[1:41:10] uh I'm required by law to do these
mailings, but they didn't give me money
[1:41:15] to print the letters out,
you know.
[1:41:18] Uh and uh the same way with the reg-
with the registered mail. Every time you
[1:41:22] send a registered letter, it's eight or
nine bucks.
[1:41:25] » yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:41:25] » Five dollars, probably.
>> And you know, so if you go to mail in
[1:41:29] 30, 40 letters, that adds up pretty
quick.
[1:41:31] » Well, they didn't put any line item like
they did last
[1:41:33] » So, we'll go and ask
Um
[1:41:39] » So, that's all I got. So, if you guys
want a copy of this, I'll give it to
[1:41:42] you.
[1:41:44] And that's That's all I got.
Okay.
[1:41:48] So, what I want to say the only one I
think probably is the That's local
[1:41:52] median income or something that means
the same thing.
[1:41:55] » It's local median income.
>> Okay. And we're looking for the low
[1:41:58] income. Yeah. That's the That's the
reasons within the county that some some
[1:42:02] high, some low.
>> Your grant will stay there if you have
[1:42:04] low income.
>> All right. So, that that leads me to to
[1:42:07] a meeting I'm going to coming up. I need
to do some more research. It's one of
[1:42:11] the stacks on my desk I did not get
through today, but I wasn't anticipating
[1:42:16] coming up here, but it does fit right
in. It segues in
[1:42:19] uh opportunity zones.
It's opportunity for incentive
[1:42:24] investment
uh for for low and medium income areas.
[1:42:28] In May County, there is one currently
that we have and that is pretty much
[1:42:33] city of Clinton.
There's no other areas that that are
[1:42:37] identified within the county. And I
think this this meeting is going to be
[1:42:41] Are there any other suggestions you'd
like to have? And Scott can he can he
[1:42:45] pull this stuff up? So, he's he's
looking at it as well. So, if you have
[1:42:49] any suggestions on areas that within the
county that would be good economic uh
[1:42:55] opportunity zones,
uh let me know. One of I'd like to get
[1:42:59] is is Bryce.
7,000 acres of of
[1:43:04] opportunity.
>> Well, Lady Bird gets the first first
[1:43:08] area for development under the tip
district. But, that's pretty poor.
[1:43:13] Yeah, it is.
And there's
[1:43:16] » Have you heard of the 8A program? The
number eight rather than 8A.
[1:43:21] » I'm not familiar with it. I'm not.
>> Study up on it. Google it. Study up on
[1:43:25] it. The federal government does a study
>> Say that again. The 8A program.
[1:43:29] » and identifies areas It's called 8A.
Um it's uh disadvantaged areas.
[1:43:35] » Okay.
>> And any companies that come into these
[1:43:38] areas and hire employees from these
areas can get an 8A designation. And
[1:43:43] they have set-aside contracts just for
8A uh 8A companies.
[1:43:48] » You're sure you didn't have something
I'm not sure what it's called, but
[1:43:51] federal contracting you have you you get
first women owned various categories.
[1:43:55] » Yeah, but that is another category.
>> Yes.
[1:43:57] » Which was a economic opportunity so
category. So yeah, I would look at that
[1:44:02] up.
>> Yeah, the 8A is that economic category
[1:44:04] and it is the most
sought after.
[1:44:08] Um
>> That's why I think that the Rise
[1:44:10] Megapark
and that would be ideal.
[1:44:13] » Uh ownership is important unfortunately.
>> Yeah, there's no population there is. So
[1:44:18] » Yeah.
>> Well, the Harley dealership and
[1:44:21] Budweiser dealership and Danville and
they'll have about women owned
[1:44:24] dealership.
Harley way.
[1:44:27] And women didn't pay the taxes on the on
the either business both of them are
[1:44:31] women owned up there now.
>> I thought the Budweiser one was just
[1:44:33] selling too many drugs.
>> [laughter]
[1:44:36] » No, the old lady she owned three
uh
[1:44:40] card shops.
>> And the Harley was used to
[1:44:42] » Hallmark it was nothing like that.
>> She owned three Hallmark shops.
[1:44:46] And she was taking the tax money from
the Budweiser dealership and paying for
[1:44:50] the
other Hallmark stores.
[1:44:55] » Which has no income unless it's
Christmas or
[1:44:57] » Yeah.
>> something.
[1:44:58] » Raffle.
>> And government business with that.
[1:45:01] » But they're not paying what they owe and
we'll put a padlock on your door.
[1:45:04] » Yes, they will.
I believe that's what happened now
[1:45:08] Here I am on the camera saying that.
>> I don't know.
[1:45:10] » I don't know either.
[1:45:13] » All right, are you ready for a motion?
>> We're ready for a motion.
[1:45:20] » [snorts]
[1:45:28] » Okay, now I some extra packets laying
around.
[1:45:32] Thanks, guys.
>> Thank you, everyone.
[1:45:37] » You don't need anything from me.
>> [snorts]
[1:45:39] » You just tell me which way you're going
to end up going.
[1:45:43] Right now, I have no action items until
You guys have the funding and you decide
[1:45:48] what you want
>> [snorts]
[1:45:51] » Right, right, right.
>> And you got paid.
[1:45:54] » I appreciate that.
>> What about you?
[1:46:00] » I hope you're happy.
[1:46:03] » Yeah.
[1:46:06] » And all that lined up
on paper is a lot cheaper than
[1:46:11] backup.
>> Cheap on paper.
[1:46:14] » So, I'm going to go on hold on through
the board's decision of which way you
[1:46:17] guys want to go.
[1:46:20] » Yep.
>> That's right.
[1:46:22] » Yes.
>> Thank you.
[1:46:24] » Thank you, orders.
[1:46:28] So, now, what is your last name now?
>> Uh I haven't changed it on paper yet, so
[1:46:33] it's currently still Robinson.
>> Is it going to be hyphenated?
[1:46:37] » No, it's going to be Allen.
>> You go from Robinson to Allen?
[1:46:43] That's the same name, Brian.
>> Basically, yes.
[1:46:46] Nobody changes them.
>> Like if you went from a clan rock or
[1:46:49] something, like hey, you went Irish.
[1:46:53] Filipino.
>> No, we're just plain white people.
[1:46:56] » Yeah.
You went from a clan rock to Allen.
[1:46:58] » Allen Perry equipment.
>> They have to
[1:47:02] tractor
Robinson
[1:47:04] tractor pull
>> All back.
[1:47:06] » Still streaming?
>> Yes, yes.
[1:47:09] » We shut that off.
>> You can probably turn the lights out, I
[1:47:13] mean.
You're allowed.
[1:47:20] If he wants to sit and watch us discuss
>> If you want me be a
[1:47:25] child then you