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Good evening everyone.

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Please join me for the pledge of

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allegiance to the flag.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Thank you. Roll call, please.

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>> Council member Abernathy,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Bush,

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>> here.

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>> Council member Buckton,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Dawson,

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>> here.

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>> Council member Geller,

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>> present.

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>> Council member Le

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>> here.

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>> Council member

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here.

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>> Council member Rogers

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>> here.

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>> Council member Sykes.

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>> Council member Tedford

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Council member Wendis

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>> here.

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>> Council member Winkler here. Your honor,

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you have a quorum.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Is there anybody here for citizens

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forum?

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» Get ahead of me there.

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Come on. A good call.

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» How y'all doing today? Good.

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My name is Janiro Gonzalez.

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I live in town 51 turn bike at the

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hotel. Um, first and foremost, just to

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get it out the way real quick, I would

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like to thank Lieutenant Christopher and

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who else? What was the other guy that

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gave you the clothes?

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You know,

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chubby guy.

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>> No, no, champ.

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» Captain Laura.

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>> Captain Mora.

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>> Yeah, that guy right there. You know, he

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gave my kids some clothes, real nice

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clothes. And um I appreciate that very

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much. Like very much. That showed a lot

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of

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I showed him how I felt and um

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it's sad that the police department

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looks out for my family more than a lot

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of the people. But Matt, too. Matt

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downstairs gave me some

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gas

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clothes more.

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I didn't even have to ask for it.

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I just told him about it. He asked me

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about it and he just said, "Give me a

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few days." I didn't know he was going to

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do it.

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Getting some Jordans and stuff up towns.

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You know, people don't do stuff like

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that.

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People are too faced today.

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But I'm here because

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I want to speak about Mayor is uh the

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school situation with Leonardo.

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I know that y'all want him to be

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vaccinated because I know that people

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get paid and certain companies get paid

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and I know they do. You know, I know

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they do. I'm not really for it. I don't

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agree with it because my sons are

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protein deficiency.

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Like they build too much protein. You

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got nine essentials amino acids. I

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explained this last one of them is

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banana line. This body they build too

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much. So when you give them a vaccine,

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vaccines are what? Cow fetus, monkey

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fetus, snake fetus, they're proteins

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from another.

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You just got to download the patents on

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Google and read them. Patent on this,

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patent on that, patent on this, and it

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pops up the truth. 5% works, 5%, 3%.

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When they did the test on rats, they

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killed the rats. Then they came to us.

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They were killing rats. They came

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straight to us. Come on, man. It's a

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joke. So, I put a million dollar lawsuit

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or a claim. When I get the insurance, I

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am going to put a claim on their

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insurance.

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All right? And I'm I'm so serious this

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time, mayor. I want to show you how

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smart I am. I really do.

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I give you my word. You'll end up

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calling me or they'll end up calling me

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in two months.

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I promise you, man. I give you my word

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as a man.

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I want my son to go to school.

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I don't want to embarrass nobody. You

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cannot violate the Constitution of the

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United States. Rules, regulations,

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administrative directives are rules.

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They're just statutes. They're not law

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whatsoever. They can be challenged in

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450 Federal Court Main Street.

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I ask you, mayor, please to talk to

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those people. I really do not want to

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challenge jurisdiction,

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but he keeps asking me to go to school

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every day, man. I really don't want to

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vaccinate him. I don't know what will

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happen to him if I give him those

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vaccines.

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Janiro's already acting crazy.

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For real, he is. He's acting unordinary.

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He does things smart, but he does things

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that he should not be doing.

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Ever since he got those shots.

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So now I got to bring him to Yukon and

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they got to take his blood cuz they want

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to run his gene on me. They want to

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check me for Dallas

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cuz I want to see if that's what

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happened, if it changed up cuz I got all

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the test results. But mayor, please talk

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to him for me. I want him to go to

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school. I don't really want to battle a

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quarter,

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you know. It's not something that we

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should be doing,

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but I don't want money. I just want him

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to go to school. I care less about

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money. I know how to I know how to jump

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in dumpsters and and sometimes try to

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make sure the police ain't looking to

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try to hop in a dumpster, too.

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But y'all have a great night. All right.

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And I appreciate y'all,

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Chief, man. I appreciate your guys,

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dude. I I really do. I don't give a

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what anybody say about y'all, bro. I

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really do respect y'all and I really

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thank your guys. They some real to

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me. I don't care what people they talk

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about on the internet. Y'all are some

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good dudes and y'all do your job. Some

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of them are but that's cool.

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You need them. Okay. But I appreciate

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you, Chief. You got some good men under

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you. You're a good leader.

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» Thank you.

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Anybody

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else for citizens form?

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Come on up.

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» Hi, my name is Peggy Shay.

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27 Foxill Drive. I've been a

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resident since 1990. Um, I'm speaking to

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you today to get uh both a post of youth

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laurate maintained and also add back the

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adult poet laurate. The youth laurates

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in high school are usually excellent

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writers who in their senior year are

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trying to get into college. They are in

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sports. They're often in the top five of

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their classes. They are uh president of

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in the student council. They've got a

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lot of things going on. And I'm afraid

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and uh uh the uh library director

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Jennifer Johnson will back this up that

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the idea of service behind the post of

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poet laurate has been dropped. Uh I want

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to keep that youth poet laurate because

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these fantastic people need to be

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rewarded and they it would look great on

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their college applications and their job

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applications in the future. Um I was

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poet laurate uh inaugural poet laurate

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Vernon 19 2019 to 2021. Uh since 2022,

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I've been president of the Connecticut

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Council of Poets Laurate and I've been

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honored and privileged to see all the

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fabulous programs that laureates are

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doing around the state. I myself

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partnered with Parks and Wreck uh youth

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services

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um with the library of course with Arts

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Center East um with the senior center um

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and I was able to do that because I'm an

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adult and I can

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and I've got a network of poets who can

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help me out. Um I still run a poetry

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series and I have the youth laurate read

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of my series every year and I make sure

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that he or she um participates in an

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exhibit at Art Center East combining

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their art with um the students poets and

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I do workshops in the schools. Um

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so uh there are precedents for towns

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that have both youth laurates and po and

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adult poet laureates and they include

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Middle East Windsor down the street.

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They include South Windsor, they include

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New Haven. Um it's time that Vernon uh

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gets an adult back into um the post and

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can help mentor the youth la Laurate. Uh

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now in the past Jennifer Johnson has

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shared with me that there's um a concern

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about the sustainability of an adult

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poet laurette. Well, Vicky Nordland who

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built our creative writing program which

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is renowned nationally

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um her students have grown up and they

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are adults and they are thrilled. Um,

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one young man, um, Jav Priyard,

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organized, uh, his own open mic at

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Vernon Coffee Roasters and brought in

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people from all towns in for to to a

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Vernon business for an open mic and had

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over 20 poets and musicians there first

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time and that's going to become a

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series. So I urge you to please um,

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reinstate the post of an adult poet

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laurate and also keep the youth poet

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laurate because we need those laureates

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to grow up and serve us in the future.

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Um I did send a fact sheet uh to all the

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members uh yesterday in email. So if you

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want some facts to back up all of the uh

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services that the public laurate provide

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across the state, you've got right in

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that sheet. Thank you.

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Next saw somebody else stand up in the

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My name is Kelsey Tomco. My address is

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68 Westwood Drive. I'm here tonight to

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request the town's contract and flock be

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terminated and the cameras removed based

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on on the basis of privacy concerns and

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recent data sharing controversies.

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Citizens trust has been lost by

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implementing this public monitoring

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without any regard for the thoughts and

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opinions of the community. In the last

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meeting, the details about the limited

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functionality and purpose of the cameras

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was discussed. However, you cannot

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guarantee with 100% certainty that bad

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actors are not accessing the data and

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the data is vulnerable to seizure via

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federal warrants. While the intentions

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of the use of the cameras stated by the

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mayor and the chief of police mean well,

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no one wants to live in a police state.

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The infrastructure of the cameras is the

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start of that and needs to be removed.

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You may argue we are not there yet, but

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it is the yet in that phrase which

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concerns me. Since the cameras were

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installed without public permission, so

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to speak, where is the line in the sand?

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Even though the cameras are stated not

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to have facial recognition or audio for

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now, and the data is described as secure

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for now, as long as the cameras are in

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place, changes and upgrades can be

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implemented without bringing awareness

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to it. Several towns and cities across

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the nation have recently terminated

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usage of these cameras. It is important

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to have contextual awareness of the

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current social societal climate. Thank

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you for your time and further

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consideration in removing this

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vulnerable mass surveillance network

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that threatens personal privacy and

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civil liberties.

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>> Thank you. Anybody else?

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Wintersville

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174.

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Um, I received a letter from the

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townated

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August 27

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that said

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resolution concerning open space and

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town council will further address this

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matter and discuss the situation at

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September 15. I look at the agenda and

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it sounds like there's a resolution

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ready to be approved tonight. I

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>> should not see anything.

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This is a very important issue for me.

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Um my

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parents started acquiring property

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infection in 1943.

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Uh we uh completed six tracks in 1951.

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Um built a house in one of the tracks.

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We now I own one outright. My brothers

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and I own two. Um and these have been

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designated as

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forest land and open space because there

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are two different tracks that have

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different notifications

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and it's very important that that be

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kept in place and I got the impression

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with the uh I spoke with the assessor

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that um all bets were off and it looked

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like they were trying it looks like the

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town is trying to or at least uh trying

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to get full value for these parcels and

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So that's that's very disheartening. Um

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the talkable section on Elhill Road, if

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you've ever been there, it's tre I have

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two pools on my property that I am

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protecting. I've had people from the

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town come and inspect them a number of

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times.

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And um keep in mind that the placement

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of the house on one of the tracks was

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done back in 1951 before there are any

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new regulations. So I would hope that um

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anything any changes would look at

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grandfathering or considering the

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history of these properties.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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Good evening. My name is John Barupy. I

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live at 178 Brandy Hill Road. I'm here

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this evening to follow up on the PA 490

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Forest Land issue that I spoke about at

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the previous town council meeting. As of

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yet, I haven't been contacted with any

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additional information. Heard that a few

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people have gotten some letters from the

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assessor. I have not received anything

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from the assessment office. Uh however,

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as mentioned, I do see an agenda item

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this evening for open space and it

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sounds like it may be good news for the

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land owners that have open space.

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Unfortunately, I'm only forest land. Um

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I'm not open space, so I'm not sure if

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what's going to be presented tonight is

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going to apply to me impactly or what's

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going to happen. Um and as I mentioned

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last time, forest land has a tighter

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deadline. So, If the assessor is going

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to continue to insist on terminating my

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forest land contract, I need to have a

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forester come in and have the report

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done by October 1. Whereas open space

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and farmland through December 31

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deadlines. So it's a little

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disheartening to see an open space

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resolution be presented and not

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something forest land. We got two weeks

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left. Um with that being said, I

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appreciate the effort that you guys are

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putting in here and I'll for the

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discussion around open space this

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evening. Um I'm hoping it's somehow

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going to help me with the erroneous and

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illegal termination of my forest land

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contract by the assessor. Um so we'll

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see what happens. And I just had one

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quick question. Will there be a question

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and answer during the resolution or is

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it just the resolution present in the

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council?

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>> It's just the resolution.

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>> Okay. So there's no comments or any

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questions on that.

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>> Okay. Um so then one quick one other

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quick question. And if there's any

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comments or feedback that you guys can

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provide me on um

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you know at the end of this and I hear

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the resolution it's not going to help me

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maybe provide me with some guidance on

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next steps. Once again I want to thank

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you for your time and everything you do.

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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Come on.

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» I think I don't think anybody's close

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enough to that microphone.

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>> Oh, how is this? Can you hear me?

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>> That's much better.

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>> Thank you. I'm sorry to be here again.

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Um, I hope that you will pass resolution

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three regarding restoring the PA490

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open space designation to the plan of

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conservation and development tonight.

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>> Name and address.

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>> Pardon?

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>> Name and address.

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>> Oh, sorry. My name is Gene Ms. I live at

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144 Phoenix Street in Vernon.

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>> Thank you, Jean.

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>> Thank you. Um, thanks to the mayor and

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the council members who worked really

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hard on the wording and inclusion of the

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resolution tonight.

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you know, you wouldn't take away the

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historic property designation. It's

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really important to those people who

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worked really hard and finally got it.

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Well, those of us who had this PA490

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thought that our designation was

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permanent as well. We understood that it

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lasted forever until we sold our

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property. And if we sold our property,

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we paid a big penalty. The POC talks I I was forced to read it for tonight. It talks about how important the

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greenways are in Vernon and that the

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town works with land owners to preserve

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them and um provide zoning incentives to

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further low impact design. They call it

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LIP for property in the greenway areas

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and the Tanker Husen Greenway. And I

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hope that that's not just words put in

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the POC.

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If it's true that the PA490 was left out

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of the POC and the resolution tonight

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puts it back in, that's wonderful. I

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wonder if it's going to put us back in.

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We got the letter that said that our

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designation had been revoked. Another

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resident got an email showing a listing

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of PA490 properties put back into their

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cards, I think, by the assessor. I

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didn't get that email. So, I don't know

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how I will know if my 490 has been

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revoked or reinstated, but you need to

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pass that resolution. Open space is very

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important in this town and you know it

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as well as I do. Thank you.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Anyone else?

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Give me one second. Hold on one second.

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We need to keep going. We're past our

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time and just continue until we're done.

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Citizens

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>> motion to um continue citizens

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forum until we're done.

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>> Second.

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by Bernie.

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>> All right. All those in favor

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unanimous. Go ahead.

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» Good evening. Cynthia Sodto for Charter

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Road. um asking you to consider the

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limited temporary property tax payment

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for licensed family child care providers

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that I've been talking to you folks

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about for the last three meetings. Um I

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just wanted to talk about some of the

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questions that came up during those

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meetings and and maybe I can offer a few

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answers. This is not a blanket tax

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break. It's not special treatment for

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every home business. The legislation is

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clear about it being specifically for

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child care providers. A licensed

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provider must maintain safe, regulated

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space where children remain throughout

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the workday. Each child care opening can

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allow a parent to accept a job or work

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more hours or remain in the workforce.

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And that benefits both local families,

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employers, and the community.

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So, some people may ask, why should this

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apply to daycarees but not to plumbers

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or to other home businesses? And I would

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add that plumbers and other trades are

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essential, but they generally provide

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services at those customers properties.

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Licensed childare providers must

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dedicate part of their own property to a

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highly regulated service that is

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performed on site. Their business also

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creates a multiplying benefit. One

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provider can make it possible for

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several parents to go to work. This law

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does not give every child care provider

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an automatic exemption. It preserves

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local control. This town council may say

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no or grant less than the full abatement

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or limit the benefits to the portion of

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the property used for the child care and

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establish safeguards if needed. The

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benefit may last no more than five tax

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years so it is limited. Another fair

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question is why should other taxpayers

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bear the cost? They should not be asked

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to fund an unlimited or unaccountable

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subsidy. Any reduction in revenue should

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be acknowledged and carefully

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controlled. But this is a modest

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temporary abatement. It can be

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responsible investment and it helps

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preserve child care capacity. It

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supports working families and it

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strengthens the local workforce. In

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fact, this approach relies on private

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providers rather than creating a larger

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governmentrun program. It reduces a

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barrier for small businesses already

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serving the community. This proposal is

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a narrow, temporary, transparent, and

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locally controlled. It recognizes a

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specific workforce need and uses a

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measured incentive to address it. The

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question is not whether this policy has

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a cost. Of course it does. The question

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is whether a carefully capped investment

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in licensed child care produces greater

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value for our families, employers, and

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taxpayers. Not to mention that it also

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supports small womenowned businesses in

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town. Thank you. Anybody

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else?

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» Again, it's Michelle Eddie, 53 Lake

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Street in

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um I'm also affected by the open space

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and I'm just asking um you folks to

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please pass the resolution number three

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to return the a 490 um to the PC. You

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know, it's not just affecting me and my

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sister, it's affecting a lot of people

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in town. And it's it's very hard to

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maintain property yourself, but we're

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not saving any money, that's for sure.

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If you need trees taken down, if you

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need brush clear, um you try to keep it

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open as much as you can. So, just please

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keep that in mind. And it's, you know,

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I'm not sure why this happened unless it

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was just an oversight, but come on. This

549
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is affecting a lot of people's lives.

550
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:34,480
So, I'd appreciate if you guys would.

551
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,279
Thanks.

552
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:50,630
>> Thank you.

553
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,559
» Hi, good evening. My name is Amy

554
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:55,679
Patterson and I live at 74 Box Mountain

555
00:24:55,679 --> 00:24:58,159
Drive. I've been resident of Vernon

556
00:24:58,159 --> 00:25:01,039
along with my family since 1987.

557
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,600
Uh we also own undeveloped land on a

558
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,440
separate property that is classified as

559
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,559
open safe open space under PA490 and

560
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,640
I've also u spent the last 40 years

561
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,080
working professionally in land

562
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,200
conservation. Um I'm here to speak as a

563
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720
Vernon resident to the issue of the

564
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,400
proposed changes to the open space

565
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,279
classification. I have not received any

566
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:23,039
information directly uh from the

567
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:26,000
assessor's office. So, I'm speaking as

568
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,559
to my understanding of what I've heard

569
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:31,279
from residents of Vernon um and

570
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,880
neighbors uh by me as well. Um there's a

571
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,000
lot of confusion. I'm confused. Uh you

572
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,840
don't need to know what public 490 is.

573
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,440
Apparently, you all do because there's

574
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,960
been a lot of discussion on this. So,

575
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,520
I'll skip that part. But I will say that

576
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,799
in addition to the statutory forest land

577
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,679
and farmland

578
00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:53,760
Vernon is so fortunate to have the open

579
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,440
space classification and I went back and

580
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,039
I did look and see um decades ago when

581
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,919
it was put in place. My concern lies

582
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,600
with what I'm hearing about proposed

583
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,080
changes to the open space program,

584
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,000
including that the classification may be

585
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,880
removed or modified retroactively for

586
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,360
certain land owners. I'm also concerned

587
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:15,360
about the lack of clarity in the in the

588
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,159
original resolution. I I don't see a

589
00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:20,320
resolution attached to the information

590
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,640
here. Um so I don't know if if what I've

591
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,679
seen is the most recent, but there is some ambiguity in that in that

592
00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:30,400
um resolution and I'm concerned about

593
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,480
what is going to be carried forward and

594
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,919
whether or not we all have a clear

595
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:37,520
understanding of what the process is.

596
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,159
Um, this is an important issue not just

597
00:26:40,159 --> 00:26:42,080
because it addresses a statutoily

598
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,159
authorized incentive to protect valuable

599
00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:46,400
open space in our beautiful town, but

600
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,480
more importantly, it raises issues of

601
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,960
public notice, participation,

602
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,600
transparency, and the need for clear and

603
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,559
an unambiguous process in the town's

604
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:00,000
assessment and legislative processes.

605
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,279
For that reason, and again, having not I

606
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,279
don't know if I've seen the resolution,

607
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,120
I'm asking the council to table any

608
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,279
action on any proposed amendments to the

609
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,799
PA490 open space program that may

610
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,520
restrict the program and or change the

611
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,240
status of land currently classified as

612
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,320
open space for many land owners who have

613
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240
relied upon it since the program's

614
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,679
inception and have received letters from

615
00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:28,320
the assessor not really understanding

616
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,840
the what and the behind it. Recently,

617
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,000
when controversy arose at the state

618
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,080
level around proposed changes to the

619
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,120
valuation method around public 490

620
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,159
classifications across all of those

621
00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:44,559
forest land, agriculture and well forest

622
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,400
land and agriculture. This open space of

623
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,679
course as you know is uh municipal.

624
00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:51,679
There was tremendous controversy and

625
00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:53,520
what the administration did along the

626
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,039
department of agriculture is they made

627
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:58,159
the decision to pause it and go back to

628
00:27:58,159 --> 00:28:00,000
all of the states that have been put in

629
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,480
place to begin with and then convene a

630
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,720
working group to study the issue. And I

631
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,320
feel like in Vernon we can do the same

632
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,399
thing. We can we can study this issue.

633
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:10,559
We can establish an open, thoughtful,

634
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:12,480
transparent process to research and

635
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,880
publicly discuss any changes to this

636
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,279
important pro program so that the land

637
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,600
owners who are impacted now and those

638
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,440
that will come will have a very clear

639
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,760
understanding of why the program is in

640
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,159
place and what it takes to be eligible.

641
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:28,320
So, thank you so much for all you do and

642
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,640
for listening to my comments.

643
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,279
>> Thank you.

644
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:47,669
>> Is there anybody else? Come on up.

645
00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:50,480
» Good evening. My name is Scott Regina.

646
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,000
166 Box Mountain Drive.

647
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,080
Members of the council, I am here to

648
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,559
respectfully respectfully request town

649
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,559
support for continuation of the

650
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,520
longstanding PA490 open space

651
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,600
classification of my property. My

652
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,440
property consists of approximately 13

653
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,080
acres. One acre constitutes a building

654
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,080
portion while the remaining 12 acres

655
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,640
been classified maintained as open space

656
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,279
going back to approximately 2000. For

657
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,120
more than 25 years, ownership of this

658
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,039
property has remained continuous.

659
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:22,880
There's been no sale or transfer of

660
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,880
property and importantly there's been no

661
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,880
change in use for the essential

662
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,120
character approximately 12 acres

663
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,000
maintained as open space. Connected

664
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,960
general statute section 12-50H

665
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,360
is particularly relevant. The statute

666
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,279
provides land classified by the record

667
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,320
land owner shall remain so classified

668
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,919
without the filing of any new

669
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:46,720
application either until the land's use

670
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,039
is changed to use different than that

671
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,559
described in the application for the

672
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,399
existing classification

673
00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:55,279
or the land is sold or transferred to a

674
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,840
new owner. Neither of those events has

675
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,240
occurred in my property. In addition,

676
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,200
Connecticut statute section 12107E

677
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,440
addresses open space classification

678
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,600
recognizes importance, but whether

679
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,600
change adversely affects the property's

680
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,760
essential character of the open space

681
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,799
land. The essential character of my

682
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,559
property 12 acres has not changed.

683
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,279
For more than 25 years, I have done

684
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,840
precisely what PA490

685
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,000
was intended to encourage. I have

686
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,240
preserved this acreage as open space

687
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,120
rather than developing it.

688
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,360
I therefore respectfully ask the town to

689
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,600
consider a straightforward question. If

690
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,679
the statute provides that the land shall

691
00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:40,000
remain classified until there is a

692
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,880
change in use or a sale or transfer and

693
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,200
neither has occurred, what statutory

694
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,600
event has occurred that would justify

695
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,039
terminating this longstanding

696
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:50,960
classification?

697
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,640
The issue is also broader than my

698
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600
individual property PA49. connect

699
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,840
property owners to preserve open land

700
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,159
for long term. Property owners have

701
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,080
relied upon this law and maintain their

702
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,720
land accordingly should be able to rely

703
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,960
upon the classifications and statutory

704
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,880
protections under which they have

705
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,440
preserved the property for decades. For

706
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,600
more than 25 years, I have upheld my

707
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,600
responsibility by maintaining these

708
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,880
approximately 12 acres as open space. I

709
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,279
respectfully ask the town recognize the

710
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,919
history of this property, the absence of

711
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:26,960
any for use in it ownership in the

712
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,799
language of the Connecticut General

713
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,240
Statutes allowing the existence of PA490

714
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,960
open space classification continue.

715
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,320
Thank you for your consideration

716
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,279
allowing me to speak tonight.

717
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:50,870
Thank you.

718
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,760
Scott

719
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,399
also about the PA490.

720
00:31:56,399 --> 00:32:00,149
Um

721
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:03,360
the statute says that the PA490 can only

722
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,320
be terminated for two two reasons.

723
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,960
Change of use or change of ownership and

724
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,760
that's it.

725
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,960
The assessors do not have the power to

726
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,919
anybody from PA490 for any other reason.

727
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:21,360
This had been also by Supreme Court of

728
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,519
the state of Connecticut and Wald

729
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:29,029
airport versus Madison where they

730
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,519
decided that the assessor did not have

731
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:33,679
the authority anybody for any other

732
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:36,880
reason. And then recently the Supreme

733
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,519
Court had a case versus Mansfield where

734
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,760
they said that even if there was errors

735
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,200
in the filing of PA90 or any other

736
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,440
errors they still the assessors don't

737
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,799
have the power to remove it by change of

738
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,200
use and change of ownership. So

739
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,360
therefore whatever is being attempted

740
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,240
does not uh the assessor does not have

741
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,120
the power to do. In addition the

742
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,200
assessor has stated that even if it

743
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,960
doesn't go through he's going to raise

744
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,399
the assessed value per acre for open

745
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:12,799
space land which he does have the power

746
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:14,559
to do.

747
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,320
But that undermines the statute

748
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,200
altogether. So that would effectively

749
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,240
eliminate PA490 without eliminating it.

750
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,320
So these things need to be addressed.

751
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,120
But um I don't know if it's something

752
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,640
for the town council if what doing is

753
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:37,669
not that he has the legal authority.

754
00:33:37,679 --> 00:33:56,149
» Thank you.

755
00:33:56,159 --> 00:33:59,519
My name is John Tal 48 Main Street

756
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,480
Alterville and my daughter here is

757
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:09,349
Lithia Parsons at 35.

758
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:12,000
I'm just concerned with for example on

759
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,320
the Elco road especially we have saved

760
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,200
property there for 150 years plus and uh

761
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,679
we have never developed it just used a

762
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,839
little bit for water there's two spring

763
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:29,200
houses there and use it some of water

764
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,040
other than that it's never been

765
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,200
developed just we try to be careful

766
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,000
about the timber and the woods there and

767
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,599
I'll let my daughter talk more about

768
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,960
that But we try to not cut it too often,

769
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,760
just when it needs it. And otherwise

770
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,480
people u just want to be careful if they walk in there. I try to post it

771
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,200
because of care falling into some kind

772
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,320
of spring house or something. But I'm

773
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,960
just concerned about changing the the

774
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,599
tax statute because that would obviously

775
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:03,359
make it impossible to maintain that open

776
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:06,079
property for like we have for 150 plus

777
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,560
years. But my daughter say some more

778
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,560
about it. Uh

779
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,550
she's our manager.

780
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,200
» Um good evening. I just wanted to um ask

781
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,040
that you know the open space forest land

782
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,480
um statute that it stays as it has been

783
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,040
because it would be you know impossible

784
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,119
to keep that amount of property. We own

785
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,839
over 75 acres that is classified as

786
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:34,960
that. And um I think it beautifies the

787
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,200
town having all these people that have

788
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,599
you know open space forest land and we

789
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:41,680
would just ask that um that we can keep

790
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,880
it the way that we've been trying to

791
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,000
preserve it all these years and um thank

792
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
you for your consideration.

793
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,790
>> Thank you.

794
00:35:52,800 --> 00:36:05,190
Is there anybody else coming up?

795
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,440
» Hello, my name is Diana Reed from 44

796
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,440
Scott Drive in Vernon, but I'm here in

797
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,839
my capacity of president of uh Rockville

798
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:15,760
Fishing Game Club located at 90 to 101

799
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,640
Fishing Game Road in Vernon. Um we own

800
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,839
about 71 acres of land located in Vernon

801
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:24,079
on both sides of fishing game road and

802
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,000
it is currently classified a small piece

803
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,560
as commercial and the rest is open space

804
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,119
and forested land. We have been around

805
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,275
for 101 years and we're very proud

806
00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:36,320
[clears throat] of the property and our

807
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,440
mission to conserve land and wildlife.

808
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,520
And so I would hope that this resolution

809
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,359
would pass and that we can continue to

810
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:45,040
do all the great things we do in

811
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,440
conservation efforts for our community

812
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,200
and our club members. Thank you very

813
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,160
much.

814
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,800
>> Thank you.

815
00:36:52,800 --> 00:37:00,069
Anybody else? Come on up.

816
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,079
Good evening. I'm Patty H. I live at 90

817
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,079
Phoenix Street. I'm here also in support

818
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:07,040
of passing the resolution for PA490.

819
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Uh my husband and I have been um in our

820
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,839
home since 1992 in Vernon. Our home was

821
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:14,560
built in 1900. We have always maintained

822
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,040
our property. It is actually a small

823
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,200
little farm. You you see it when you

824
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,720
walk through the rails to trails between

825
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,320
Warren and Maple Streets. You see my

826
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,040
sheep. You see our llama. Um open space

827
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,520
is for everybody. We we take that very

828
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,599
um seriously into heart. We make sure

829
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,440
that we are maintaining our property and

830
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,720
we're thrilled that the folks who walk

831
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,960
on the rails trails get to enjoy this

832
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,000
property as well. We were astounded and

833
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,920
I'm going to say it again, astounded

834
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,480
when we got that letter. We have been

835
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,560
citizens here for a long time and we've

836
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,079
been maintaining that property for a

837
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,280
very long time. And as Mickey said, it

838
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,760
takes work and it takes money and

839
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,160
nobody's there doing it but us. So,

840
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,040
we're urging you to please, please

841
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,359
consider your citizens and don't let

842
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:01,200
them make that decision and take our

843
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,079
open spaces away. Thank you.

844
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:06,960
>> Thank you.

845
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,079
>> Anybody else?

846
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:11,680
>> No.

847
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:17,270
Another one.

848
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,280
My name is Adam Steel. I'm speaking on

849
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,359
behalf of Richard and Claudia Steel,

850
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:23,680
Phoenix Street Brewing.

851
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,119
uh they can't be here. So they asked me

852
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,280
to read this letter. We were shocked and

853
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,119
dismayed to receive notice from Mr.

854
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:32,480
Helms regarding the status of PA the

855
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,680
PA490 status of 253

856
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,760
Phoenix Street. After meeting with Mr.

857
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,520
Helms, we were even more confused and

858
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,599
dismayed. Mr. Helms has requested that

859
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,079
we subdivide our 13.2 acres into two

860
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,160
parcels.

861
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,000
One with our residence and garage and

862
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000
separate parcel as open space. This is

863
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,400
in direct violation of the ordinance Mr.

864
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,160
has cited as the reason for this

865
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,240
request. In paragraph two of the

866
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,400
ordinance, it reads, "No lot which is

867
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,920
created through subdivision or

868
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,920
reubdivision subsequent to the

869
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320
adaptation of this regulation will be

870
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,240
eligible for the classification of open

871
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:10,160
space. Our property has had 12.5 acres

872
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,040
of excess land designated at PA490 open

873
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,200
space since 1992.

874
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,440
We inherited the property in 2005 having

875
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,599
bought out the other heirs. We did

876
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,040
contact the assessor at the time

877
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,240
regarding the PA490 status. We were told

878
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,400
that the PA490 status would remain with

879
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,400
the property. This is in accordance with

880
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,359
section 12-504C

881
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:34,079
K of the Connecticut statutes.

882
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:35,680
The activity on the property has not

883
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,680
changed since 1992 when it was first

884
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,160
designated. We do not understand from

885
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,119
that time to time. We do understand that

886
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,920
from time to time we may may need to

887
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,760
affirm that the PA490 status remain. We

888
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,599
urge the town council affirm all current

889
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,079
properties that have a PA490 designation

890
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:56,960
in open space forest to farm. We also

891
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,960
urge the town council to clarify how to

892
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,280
apply for PA490 in the future as well as

893
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,680
how to affirm that status. We thank you

894
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,800
for your time and thoughtful

895
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,960
consideration on this issue.

896
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,839
>> Thank you.

897
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:13,430
Anyone else?

898
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,880
No. All right. I'm going to close

899
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,599
citizens forum.

900
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,390
We're gonna move on.

901
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:34,550
All right. Chief, you

902
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,960
may good evening. Chief Mark of Police

903
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Department. I'd like to again just take

904
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,720
the opportunity as we've been doing as

905
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,640
um we brought new officers on board to

906
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,760
the department to give an opportunity

907
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,200
for the council to meet them. I'd like

908
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,880
to introduce you to officer Jacqueline

909
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,480
Randazzo. She comes to us with more than

910
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,760
two years of experience in the New York

911
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,680
City Police Department. She patrol in

912
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,440
the Jamaican sector in Brooklyn. She was

913
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,800
born and raised in Long Island. Both

914
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,200
parents being police officers in Nassau

915
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,720
County Police Department. She graduated

916
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,599
from uh Kquat High School in 2020.

917
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:03,119
Attended Suffach County Community

918
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:04,640
College. Completed additional

919
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,319
certifications from the Suffach County

920
00:41:06,319 --> 00:41:08,960
Fire Academy. is also a level two diver.

921
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,400
She serves as an EMT in both

922
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,160
professional prof and volunteer roles

923
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,000
for local fire departments and ambulance

924
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,839
services before joining NYPD in 2023.

925
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:19,599
Upon graduating from their academy in

926
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,280
December of that year, she was assigned

927
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,400
the 113th precinct in Jamaica, Brooklyn

928
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,160
and she developed a reputation as a

929
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,480
dedicated officer. She was sworn with us

930
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,640
on March 9th of this year as she was an

931
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,000
officer already certified in New York

932
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,200
State. She was able to complete a

933
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,200
comparative certification course within

934
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,400
a few weeks and moved on to field

935
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,480
training. She's completed field

936
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,920
training, been on patrol for over two

937
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,760
months. We're thrilled to have her on

938
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,280
our team and we look forward to a long

939
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,040
career dedicated serving the residents

940
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,880
of Vernon. So, I'd like to introduce you

941
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:57,990
to Officer Jazz.

942
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,710
» Welcome aboard.

943
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:08,790
ask a question.

944
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,599
» Mayor, you chief. Um, this I'd like to

945
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,520
know coming from New York City, what

946
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,240
actually attracted you to coming out to

947
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:27,510
Bern.

948
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,190
You just repeat that.

949
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,000
I said family and the community aspect

950
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,319
as to how Verdon handles itself.

951
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:37,920
>> Well, I'd like to welcome you aboard and

952
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,680
thank you for serving and protecting us.

953
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,680
>> Thank you.

954
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:48,950
>> All right. Thank you, Chief. Thank you.

955
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,400
Now, I'd like to present the

956
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,599
proclamation to the members of the

957
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:52,960
Daughters of the American Revolution

958
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,000
declaring September 16th to the 22nd,

959
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,800
2026 Constitution Week here in the town

960
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:08,470
of Vernon.

961
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:24,390
All

962
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,040
right. Well, we have a proclamation and

963
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,359
uh we give you a chance to speak too.

964
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:30,800
>> Okay.

965
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,800
>> Just proclamation. Whereas the Daughters

966
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,319
of the American Revolution petitioned

967
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:37,040
Congress in 1955 to set aside a week

968
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,480
every September dedicated to the

969
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,480
observance of Constitution Week. And

970
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,920
whereas August 12 August 2nd, 1956,

971
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,400
President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed

972
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,560
public law number 915 honoring the

973
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,560
daughters of the American Revolution's

974
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,560
petition. And whereas the celebration

975
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,800
emphasizes the D's three important

976
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,720
messages. It is all citizens

977
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:58,640
responsibilities to protect, defend, and

978
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,079
preserve the Constitution of the United

979
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,319
States. Teaches us to mindful of the

980
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,560
foundation of the way of life and

981
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,160
finally encourages the study of

982
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,960
historical events and whereas the town of Vernon the Vernon town council

983
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:12,800
encourages our citizens to take time in

984
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,640
September to reflect upon the freedoms

985
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,040
we enjoy each day. Now therefore I

986
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,640
Daniel A. campaign mayor together with

987
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,480
the Vernon Town Council on behalf of the

988
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,880
entire town of Vernon do hereby proclaim

989
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,839
the week of September 16th 2026 through

990
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:28,720
September 22nd 2026 Constitution Week in

991
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,200
the town of Vernon and hereby present

992
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,359
the the Maril proclamation to the

993
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:35,119
Daughters of the American Revolution

994
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:46,309
this 15th day of September 2026

995
00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:49,280
Um, it's an honor to accept this

996
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,359
proclamation on behalf of the Captain

997
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:52,880
Noah Grant chapter of the Daughters of

998
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,920
the American Revolution. We were founded

999
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,800
October 11th, 1890.

1000
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,599
And we've been around quite a while. We

1001
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,160
have three elements that we look at,

1002
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,640
God, home, and country. and we preserve

1003
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,200
historical information. And this being

1004
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,319
the 250th anniversary of our country, I

1005
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:16,079
encourage you all to look at your roots,

1006
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:18,160
to look at history, to participate in

1007
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,359
events that are around. I know Ellington

1008
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:23,440
has a parade and an event coming up

1009
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:28,560
October 3rd. The um

1010
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,640
Civil War Museum has something coming up

1011
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,680
the same day. And um it's just an honor

1012
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,079
to be here. And I also encourage

1013
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:40,319
everybody to look up the um preamble to

1014
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:42,960
the constitution and the creed because

1015
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,040
those are things that we recite at the

1016
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,359
beginning of each of our meetings and

1017
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:50,400
it's very moving if you get the chance.

1018
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,839
>> Thank you.

1019
00:45:51,839 --> 00:46:10,870
That was Sue Ruer.

1020
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,200
Okay. Next, we have a presentation by

1021
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,960
the Vernon Board of Education on the

1022
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,200
recommendations from the ad hoc 10-year

1023
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,040
facility study and master plan committee

1024
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:25,349
regarding school construction projects.

1025
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:27,200
I'll let you guys introduce yourself

1026
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:33,349
when you get up.

1027
00:46:33,359 --> 00:47:01,589
I'll do this.

1028
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:03,440
We remember how to turn on our on our

1029
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,870
computers.

1030
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:36,470
» Oh, it's been printed. Okay.

1031
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,160
I can get us started while they try to

1032
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,640
figure this out if that's okay.

1033
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,839
>> Yeah. Yeah, we've got a great PowerPoint

1034
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:44,960
uh which I think will be really

1035
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,960
important. So, I'm Paul Growski. I'm

1036
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,400
chair of the board of education. I want

1037
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,160
to thank the mayor of the town council

1038
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,839
for having us here tonight to give you

1039
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:55,040
an important update and u we will get to

1040
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,400
all the detailed information those

1041
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,200
powerpoints in a little bit. Um I also

1042
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,200
really want to thank two town counselors

1043
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,800
who were on the ad hoc building

1044
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,000
committee u councelor Lebec and Bush for

1045
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,720
their work. Um and by way as a little bit of background the ad hoc

1046
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,640
committee was tasked by the board of

1047
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,040
education with evaluating a 10year

1048
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,760
facility study. That 10-year facility

1049
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,079
study looked at all of our buildings uh

1050
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,559
evaluated their condition and what work

1051
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,200
needed to be done to get them up to code

1052
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,559
uh and uh for safety reasons. So after

1053
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,960
nearly two years the ad hoc committee

1054
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,040
after many meetings almost on a monthly

1055
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,760
basis tours of the building hosting

1056
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,240
listening sessions uh community

1057
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,240
conversations and consulting with

1058
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,960
experts has made its recommendations to

1059
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,280
the board of education. uh and the board

1060
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,680
of education has unanimously as of last

1061
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,960
night approved those recommendations.

1062
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,599
Um the ad hoc committee as well as the

1063
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,720
board really carefully considered what

1064
00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,440
were the most urgent

1065
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,680
building issues that we had to face.

1066
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,240
Where do we have our biggest risks where

1067
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,839
our uh students were potential for

1068
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:09,680
support had to be placed in other

1069
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,640
buildings? Um and where do we have those

1070
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,880
unforeseen liabil in our buildings where

1071
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,040
something could break um leaving us

1072
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,920
really in the lurch um with expense and

1073
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,440
repairs.

1074
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,680
So with that in mind um the ad hoc

1075
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,160
committee made a recommendation. That

1076
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,359
recommendation contains two phases.

1077
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:31,440
First phase is what needs to be done

1078
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,720
urgently. The second is a phase that is

1079
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,640
to be addressed in the future ideally in

1080
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,880
the next 5 to 10 years. It was really

1081
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,400
important to the committee uh

1082
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,880
understanding the taxpayers in this town

1083
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,040
um and also understanding the urgent

1084
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,119
needs that we have that we made two

1085
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:51,200
phases. One very clearly addressing what

1086
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,119
urgently needs to be done. So phase one

1087
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:57,200
recommends first that Maple Street

1088
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,280
School and Northeast School be

1089
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,000
consolidated into a new school to be

1090
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,640
built on the northeast school site.

1091
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,960
That's the first recommendation.

1092
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,280
Second recommendation is that the HVAC

1093
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,440
systems at Rockville High School receive

1094
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,160
a complete replacement and upgrade. So

1095
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,400
that's phase one, the urgently needed

1096
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,520
issues. Phase two is to build a new

1097
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,920
elementary school at Lake Street School.

1098
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,440
Um that's the first recommendation in

1099
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,280
phase two. The second recommendation in

1100
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,920
phase two is to complete HVAC upgrades

1101
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,720
at Vernon Center Middle School. Again,

1102
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,040
that phase two is recommended to be done

1103
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,079
within the next 5 to 10 years. In total,

1104
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,839
these recommendations, phase one and

1105
00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:40,160
phase two, really do represent our most

1106
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,240
pressing needs as a district and

1107
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,319
represent work that if not done in the

1108
00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:46,160
long run, will end up costing the

1109
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,720
district more money. I really want to

1110
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,319
focus on phase one, and that's kind of

1111
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:51,839
what we're going to dig into when we get

1112
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:53,520
into the PowerPoint. I'm glad we at

1113
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,680
least have physical copies for everybody

1114
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,880
tonight. Um, looking at Maple Street

1115
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,160
School, we've been over this, we've been

1116
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,839
here, we've talked about it, we've held

1117
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:03,599
listening tours, but it really is

1118
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:05,520
important to emphas A few things about

1119
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,680
Maple Street School. It's over 100 years

1120
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,440
old at this point. It really has reached

1121
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,680
the end of its useful life. Um we've

1122
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,119
held tours. I think we're going to hold

1123
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:14,880
some more tours so people can really see

1124
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,280
what the issues are. Um but is no longer

1125
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,960
functional as an elementary school in

1126
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,000
the year 2026. We've got kids that are

1127
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,440
in classes in the basement. There are

1128
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,839
water issues constantly scraping and

1129
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:29,040
repainting. Um the egress into that

1130
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,119
basement is down two very narrow flights

1131
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,440
of stairs. More importantly, the

1132
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,319
building is not ADA compliant. Um, you

1133
00:51:36,319 --> 00:51:38,400
have basically three levels. You have no

1134
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
elevators in that building. Um, and one

1135
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,520
of the significance of not being ADA

1136
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,160
compliant is that you cannot get state

1137
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,280
reimbursement for your building

1138
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,040
projects. So, anything we were to do

1139
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,880
there, we would not be able to get state

1140
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,280
reimbursements for. Additionally, the

1141
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,680
Maple Street School is on a roughly two

1142
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,280
and a half, I think it's 2.7 acre site

1143
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,520
school. Um the state of PE would never

1144
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,480
approve such a site today. Um it would

1145
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,480
have to be at least 12 acres and a

1146
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,880
couple more um to for the population

1147
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,400
that is at Maple Street School.

1148
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,319
We've had some significant issues there.

1149
00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:16,720
Uh we anticipate in the next few years

1150
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:18,319
that there could be some more. So I

1151
00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:20,960
think it's of the essence that we work

1152
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,520
on this plan. Um

1153
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:24,880
when we came to the conclusion that

1154
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,559
combining it with Northeast Street

1155
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,480
School was kind of the way to go.

1156
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,960
Norththeast school. Um it's in part

1157
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,480
because Northeast School is our is in

1158
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,400
fact our second oldest school and it has

1159
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,880
some issues as well, right? So it is

1160
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,040
taking care of two of our oldest two of

1161
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,319
our oldest buildings. Um

1162
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:44,720
it is also presents a site that is built

1163
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:46,400
Northeast School does have a buildable

1164
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,920
site. Um it gives us an opportunity to

1165
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,880
build expand our programs like prek.

1166
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,720
Little something about prek. If we were

1167
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,440
to build and expand our prek into a new

1168
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,440
school, our state reimbursement rates go

1169
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,800
up. Goes up from about 70% to about 80%,

1170
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,200
maybe a little bit more. Um, so that is

1171
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,720
something we really, really want to

1172
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,160
focus on and have been doing at the

1173
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:12,480
board of education. Um,

1174
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,559
Rockville High School, the HVAC, we're

1175
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,960
going to get into some information about

1176
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,960
that HVAC from our professional who's

1177
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,480
here tonight, Angela Cahill, who's a

1178
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,839
project executive at STV. Um the HVAC is

1179
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:25,920
original to that building. Contains

1180
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,079
these old steam tunnels that are all

1181
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:31,200
asbestous that go throughout. It has

1182
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,480
become obsolete. Um it is near

1183
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,559
impossible to fix a lot of the things in

1184
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,040
there to get maintenance in there. It is

1185
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,040
dangerous. And we've had many

1186
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:42,640
discussions on the ad hoc board of

1187
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,480
education about how there's a real

1188
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,559
possibility for the next five years that system fails. If that system fails

1189
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:53,040
and we cannot have our 900 plus kids at

1190
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,720
the high school, we don't have anywhere

1191
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,559
to put them. And that's a catastrophe

1192
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,960
for those students and a catastrophe for

1193
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,559
uh the town of B. So that has become the

1194
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,520
top two priorities, right? Um because

1195
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:06,880
that is where we actually have some

1196
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,240
liabilities. If we don't fix these

1197
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:10,400
schools, we have some unforeseen

1198
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,160
liabilities that could cost the town a

1199
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,000
lot of money down the road. Um,

1200
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,359
so I hope as we go through tonight, um,

1201
00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:20,880
you have some questions and we get to

1202
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,359
answer some of those questions for you.

1203
00:54:23,359 --> 00:54:25,440
I've really enjoyed being a part of this

1204
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,200
process, working with folks on the town

1205
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,520
council. Um, and I hope that we can

1206
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,599
continue that work and do some great

1207
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,240
things for our students and and address

1208
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:36,160
our biggest concerns that we have with

1209
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,160
this building. So, I'm going to turn it

1210
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,960
over uh to Angela Cahel from SDB, again,

1211
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,400
who's a project executive. interested in

1212
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,160
working very closely with the board

1213
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,440
really over the last I think year and a

1214
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,800
half or so to help guide us in this. Um

1215
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:50,800
so I'll without with that I'll turn it

1216
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,440
over to Angela Kahill and Bill Meyer.

1217
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,839
>> Well unless Dr. Petty would like to say

1218
00:54:55,839 --> 00:55:04,710
yours

1219
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,480
thank you Chairman Gowski and through

1220
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,400
the mayor. Um, for anyone following

1221
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,000
along at home or if you're connected to

1222
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,839
the internet, this presentation and all

1223
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:13,280
the information is available on the

1224
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,359
Vernon public schools web page. If you

1225
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:17,520
go to the top banner, um, you'll see a

1226
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,640
button ad hoc um, 10 year committee. Um,

1227
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,480
all the materials from the last several

1228
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,079
years, the committee's work as well as

1229
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:26,400
this presentation are there. Um, this is

1230
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,559
called the August 24th presentation to

1231
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:30,240
the board of education um, that we're

1232
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:41,270
presenting tonight.

1233
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:45,920
Thank you. Thank you, Chair um for Chair

1234
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,240
Grabowski. Thank you, Mr. Mayor and

1235
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,640
Council members. I'm pleased to be here

1236
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,559
tonight for a short presentation and

1237
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:54,799
questions. My name is Angela Cahill. I'm

1238
00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:56,240
a licensed architect. I've been

1239
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,079
practicing uh school building

1240
00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:59,440
construction in the state of Connecticut

1241
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,400
for 30 years. I work for STV and I'm

1242
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,000
working for the board of education in

1243
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,760
the capacity as advisor um to help uh

1244
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,520
move your facilities assessment study

1245
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,599
that you had done that they had done

1246
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,720
several years ago forward to uh identify

1247
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,599
the biggest priorities uh for the um

1248
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,079
public school buildings. So, I've been

1249
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:21,920
meeting with the ad hoc committee for

1250
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,640
over a year uh to outline those

1251
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,960
priorities and really try to come to the

1252
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,720
most cost-effective and efficient

1253
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:31,440
solution that you can have to your um to

1254
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,319
your building projects. Now, your school

1255
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:35,839
buildings have all been expertly

1256
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:38,240
maintained. have excellent staff at the

1257
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:40,480
town and the board of education, but as

1258
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,799
we know with buildings, uh, they do have

1259
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:44,720
systems that eventually become obsolete

1260
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:47,359
no matter how, uh, well you maintain

1261
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:49,680
them like roofs and mechanical systems.

1262
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,680
Uh, as an architect, you know, we're not

1263
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,319
really designing products that go into,

1264
00:56:54,319 --> 00:56:56,720
uh, buildings to last much longer than

1265
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,760
25, 30, 40 years. You know, those things

1266
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,119
need to be replaced. And as was

1267
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:03,280
mentioned, Maple Street School is over

1268
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,720
aundred years old. Um, theast not that

1269
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,200
far behind it. The high school as well

1270
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,799
is is aging. Um as are two other

1271
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:14,480
buildings, Lake Street and the middle

1272
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,520
school. So the ad hoc committee worked

1273
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,000
very hard to identify what the critical

1274
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,880
issues are um that could affect um

1275
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:24,160
teaching and learning as well as

1276
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,040
liability. So you can see um on slide

1277
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,319
three which is school building

1278
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:30,799
challenges really narrowing those down

1279
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:33,040
to you know it's not just that we have

1280
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,799
code issues and lack of ADA

1281
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,400
accessibility

1282
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,720
um but we have teaching spaces that do

1283
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,880
not support teaching and learning uh

1284
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,720
maintenance and repairs have become

1285
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,400
excessive costs because it's very

1286
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,200
difficult to get parts um to replace and

1287
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,720
maintenance is becoming more frequent

1288
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,839
with those aging systems. So under the

1289
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:54,799
master plan process slide four we are at

1290
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:57,200
the point we were looking for um

1291
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,000
authorization to proceed with these

1292
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,040
projects. On slide five, the history of

1293
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,799
school renovations, you can see those

1294
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:07,119
five buildings outlined. Now, of course,

1295
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:08,720
all of your school buildings need to be

1296
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,319
maintained over time. So, these are just

1297
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:12,720
the five buildings that we feel are the

1298
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,119
highest priority and with four building

1299
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:16,880
projects, we can address all five

1300
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,799
buildings.

1301
00:58:18,799 --> 00:58:22,960
Um, if you want to uh jump to YAK now,

1302
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,000
um, there are several positives to this

1303
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,960
process, um, the town of Vernon receives

1304
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,839
a very high reimbursement rate from the

1305
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:34,960
state of Connecticut. Um, around 70% and

1306
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,520
as was mentioned by Chairman Grabowski,

1307
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,880
uh, an extra 10 to 15% for buildings

1308
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,200
that include preK. So, you want to take

1309
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,200
advantage of those rates. Uh, they do

1310
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,079
change every year. Um, and And you want

1311
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:50,720
to understand that most school districts

1312
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,359
receive 50% or less, whereas your rate

1313
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:55,200
is much higher. Looking at your

1314
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,880
neighboring towns, only Manchester

1315
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,960
receives a similar reimbursement rate.

1316
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,960
Your other neighboring towns are 50% or

1317
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,000
less. You also need to um understand

1318
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,799
that construction costs ever go down.

1319
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,880
Once in a blue moon, you might find a

1320
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,040
dip where there's a lack of work because

1321
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,960
there's some kind of recession. That

1322
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,240
hasn't happened since the Great

1323
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Recession. And that was a very little

1324
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,079
dip. It was a one-mon time frame. Ever

1325
00:59:18,079 --> 00:59:19,920
since then, uh construction costs

1326
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,160
continue to escalate. If these projects

1327
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,400
are delayed, they will cost more in the

1328
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,000
future.

1329
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,839
Um

1330
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:30,000
I just want to um this is a very

1331
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,359
thorough presentation that was given to

1332
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:33,599
the board of ed. So we want to move um

1333
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:36,160
to WAK now. The mechanical systems are

1334
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:37,920
failing. So Rockville High School,

1335
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,880
that's shown on uh the next two YAK now

1336
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,000
slides. So, as was summarized by Paul,

1337
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,839
um you know, this is a steam system that

1338
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:47,680
was original to the building. Boilers

1339
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,280
are at the end of life. There are

1340
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,319
constant leaks. Um so, both the boilers

1341
00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:53,920
and then the piping, which is included

1342
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,680
in tunnels under the school, are very

1343
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,000
difficult to repair. Um they're not

1344
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,920
exactly tunnels where you can stand up

1345
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,480
in. They're crawl spaces. Um some of

1346
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,240
which may be so small that they could

1347
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,960
take a confined space permit um or

1348
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,079
potentially even an SCBA system um to

1349
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:12,720
get down there. is to shut off valves.

1350
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,760
Um, so it's time to replace. This is not

1351
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,400
unusual. Uh, other schools in the state

1352
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,240
have had the same issue. Bridgeport's

1353
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,079
going through it right now. Very similar

1354
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,799
system. Um, so in order to replace, we

1355
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,200
can't take your 900 students out of the

1356
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,359
high school. Uh, we'll need to phase it.

1357
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:31,280
We'll need to do one wing at a time and

1358
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,119
move them around so as not to disturb

1359
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:35,599
their teaching and learning. Um and we

1360
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:37,599
will need to simultaneously install a

1361
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,760
new system while the existing system is

1362
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,079
in operation. This will take a couple of

1363
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:44,400
school years. Um but we cannot install

1364
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,559
the new system in the same tunnels. Nor

1365
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:48,559
do we want to install the system in the

1366
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,599
tunnels because um it's just we wouldn't

1367
01:00:51,599 --> 01:00:53,680
design that that way for maintainers to

1368
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,440
need to go down into a crawl space to

1369
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,240
maintain. Um the new systems again I'm

1370
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,799
positive uh new systems have evolved

1371
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:03,440
over the last couple of decades in great

1372
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,240
um ways in terms of delivering you very

1373
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,119
efficient um systems that will give you

1374
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:11,520
ventilation and air conditioning as well

1375
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,760
as replacement of your heating system.

1376
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,839
These schools uh at the age that they

1377
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:18,000
are were not designed with uh

1378
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,480
ventilation. They do have in the cases

1379
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,599
where they do have some minimal

1380
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:24,240
ventilation it's not uh really providing

1381
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,920
much. uh the high school has what's

1382
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,359
called unit ventilators and those

1383
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:29,520
dampers really at this age are not

1384
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,079
working. So uh the state of Connecticut

1385
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,880
uh really supports uh and will support

1386
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,359
financially uh and they're adamant that

1387
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:38,720
teaching and learning environments need

1388
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,079
to have ventilation and air

1389
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:42,559
conditioning. So there's a new grant uh

1390
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:44,960
HVAC replacement grant that started last

1391
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,040
year. Um and again you'll be getting

1392
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,920
that uh around 70% reimbursement from

1393
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,960
the state for this HVAC grant uh for the

1394
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,400
high school and then the subsequent

1395
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,040
phase of the middle school. So um you

1396
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:59,200
know that's just a snapshot of the

1397
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,880
opportunity that you have to take

1398
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,200
advantage of the uh grant

1399
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,920
reimbursements.

1400
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,040
So, uh, as was mentioned, uh, these are

1401
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,520
four projects that would, uh, take care

1402
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,160
of the needs of five schools. Uh, Maple

1403
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,480
Street being the oldest and non, you

1404
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,640
know, heavily non-compliant with codes.

1405
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,640
Northeast not far behind and also

1406
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,480
needing mechanical system replacements

1407
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,040
along with other, uh, aging systems that

1408
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,640
are out of date. So, one building

1409
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,240
project will take care of those two

1410
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,160
schools, the high school, as I

1411
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,160
mentioned, and then Lake Street can be

1412
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,160
replaced in the next phase along with

1413
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,280
the HVAC and the middle school. Uh, the

1414
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,200
ad hoc committee felt that asking for

1415
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,599
four projects to happen all at once

1416
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:44,240
would be a financial burden on the town.

1417
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,240
And so, even though all of these five

1418
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,240
buildings are a priority, uh, they

1419
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,880
understood the need to phase them um

1420
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,280
over a period of maybe seven to 10

1421
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,559
years. Um, There's some snapshots in

1422
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:58,799
this presentation if you like to take a

1423
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:01,680
look of how uh you know again as an

1424
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,000
advantage. You actually have land at the

1425
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,319
northeast site. Uh which is great. A lot

1426
01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,319
of communities don't have extra land and

1427
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:09,839
don't have a place to put the building.

1428
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:11,599
So we had an architect do us what's

1429
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:13,680
called a test fit to make sure that the

1430
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,760
new consolidated uh elementary school

1431
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,480
would fit on that land at Northeast.

1432
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,039
Um to elaborate a little bit on Maple

1433
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,280
Street School, the slide called My Close

1434
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,319
Maple Street. Um, you know, the only way

1435
01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:28,960
you really need uh to the only way you

1436
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,799
really would be able to keep this school

1437
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:32,960
open would be to install multiple

1438
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,520
elevators because not all the floors

1439
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,000
align and you would need to purchase

1440
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,880
land. You you cannot operate a school on

1441
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,559
the size of the parcel that you have and

1442
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,960
be supported by the state financially.

1443
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,280
Um, if you speak with the principal, you

1444
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,520
know, he'll be able to outline all the

1445
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,520
issues of the cramped site that they

1446
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,079
have there. Um, ing the elevators. Uh

1447
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,720
it's possible, but it would take away uh

1448
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,400
valuable classroom space that's needed

1449
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,760
for the enrollment, meaning you'd have

1450
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,200
to also build an addition. Um and uh you

1451
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,920
know, really digging in and and putting

1452
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:10,720
elevators into that existing ancient

1453
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,440
school uh would probably uncover some

1454
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,920
issues that we cannot see. Uh older

1455
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,559
schools are very difficult to uh

1456
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:20,559
implement elevators into the middle of

1457
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,839
them. Um it's a it's a big big risk. So,

1458
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:26,000
um, whereas it's a, you know, very

1459
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,240
charming school and, uh, very close with

1460
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,640
that neighborhood, uh, we find it, uh,

1461
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:36,079
financially infeasible to to upgrade it.

1462
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:38,559
Um, and you know, phase two is in the

1463
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,640
slides. Again, Lake Street is a very

1464
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,880
tight site, but another advantage you

1465
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,400
have, again, trying to focus on the

1466
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,720
positives, if you build a new building

1467
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,559
on the back part portion of the

1468
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,039
Northeast School site, you could leave

1469
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:52,880
the existing Northeast School building

1470
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,520
in place for a few years in order to use

1471
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,440
it for swing space for the Lake Street

1472
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,280
students. Um, this again is an advantage

1473
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,119
that a lot of towns don't have. So if

1474
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,599
those and Northeast happens to be very,

1475
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,200
you know, as close as you can get to

1476
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,440
Lake Street. So if those staff and

1477
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,039
students can move over to the old

1478
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,839
Northeast building for a year or two, uh

1479
01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:16,400
you could very efficiently rebuild Lake

1480
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,720
Street, remove that structure completely

1481
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,880
and replace it with a more efficient

1482
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,920
building. Um so getting down to the

1483
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,760
costs um we have looked at costs over

1484
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,920
time as uh working with the ad hoc

1485
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,599
committee as these priorities have

1486
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:36,079
evolved um and if um

1487
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,880
these costs have been calculated in mind

1488
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,200
with the state reimbursement

1489
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,119
uh rate. So I'm looking at a slide that

1490
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:45,599
says estimated cost new schools and has

1491
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,400
new consolidated elementary in blue and

1492
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:51,680
new lake street school in red. Um So the

1493
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,000
total project cost, this includes

1494
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,920
construction and then what we call soft

1495
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,520
costs, all your professional fees and

1496
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,680
liabilities and testing and other owners

1497
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,079
things, furniture, etc.

1498
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:04,720
Um the new consolidated elementary,

1499
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,319
which is a larger building, would be a

1500
01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:09,680
$99 million value. Um and whereas Lake

1501
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,799
Street would be $67 million value. We're

1502
01:06:12,799 --> 01:06:15,520
predicting an 83.25%

1503
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,319
reimbursement rate. Uh a lot of things

1504
01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:20,559
go into that calculation and it really

1505
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:23,280
you know these numbers are estimates

1506
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:25,440
meaning predictions.

1507
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,599
Um but if you look at that reimbursement

1508
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,520
rate and what the state will be paying

1509
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,400
versus the town this is highly favorable

1510
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,119
for you to take advantage of uh at this

1511
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:36,799
time.

1512
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:39,280
And then similarly with um the

1513
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,760
mechanical and code updates Rockville

1514
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,079
and uh high school shown in blue and

1515
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,640
Vernon Middle School shown in red. a

1516
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,240
lower reimbursement rate there because

1517
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,400
we don't have prek in those buildings.

1518
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,359
Uh but still highly favorable rate. Um

1519
01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:56,240
the Rockville High School uh projection

1520
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,720
of replacing the HVAC along with some

1521
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,000
other code updates mind you um is 62

1522
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,559
million and uh the middle school is 16

1523
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:07,280
million. looking again at nearly 70%

1524
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,440
reimbursement rate from the state. The

1525
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,920
cost to the town is minimal compared to

1526
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,640
the total project costs um for the

1527
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,160
projects.

1528
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,000
So, moving then to the two-phase

1529
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,599
approach cost slide where you've got

1530
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:21,280
phase one and phase two with the big

1531
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:26,240
arrows um in blue and red. Um this is

1532
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,799
how it would lay out. Um and again,

1533
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:31,599
highly advantageous. The total cost of

1534
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:34,799
phase one would be $161 million, but the

1535
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:38,480
town would only bear the $36 million of

1536
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,079
that. Likewise with phase two, perhaps

1537
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,400
you know 5 to 10 years in the future.

1538
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,799
Total costs for those two projects, 83

1539
01:07:46,799 --> 01:07:49,839
million, but the town would only bear 16

1540
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:52,559
million of those costs. Again, those are

1541
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:54,400
our predictions. Those will fluctuate

1542
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:57,440
over time. that gives you an idea uh in

1543
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,200
order to be able to bring this forward

1544
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,760
to your community.

1545
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,000
U there's a hypothetical schedule in

1546
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,799
here that just shows how those uh phases

1547
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:08,640
could be piggybacked

1548
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,200
um over time.

1549
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,960
And with that, we'll take questions as a

1550
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,669
team.

1551
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:19,199
Questions?

1552
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:21,279
Mike, mayor.

1553
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:26,000
>> Good evening. So, what would

1554
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,560
the uh town of Bern's total

1555
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:34,000
um bill for this roughly is it just over

1556
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:39,030
70 million?

1557
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,799
» Do you mean the town share or

1558
01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,560
>> Yeah. The town share

1559
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,640
>> for both phases?

1560
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,000
>> Yeah. For for everything

1561
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:52,070
>> would be 47 out of 26D.

1562
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,000
» There's two phases. Phase one town share

1563
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,839
we have on there for 36 months.

1564
01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:56,400
>> 36,

1565
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:59,040
>> right? Phase two is 16,

1566
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,000
>> correct?

1567
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,040
>> So 52,

1568
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,319
>> but then you have the mechanical

1569
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:03,839
upgrades and stuff, the town share is

1570
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:04,239
24.

1571
01:09:04,239 --> 01:09:06,239
>> That's included.

1572
01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:06,960
>> Yeah.

1573
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:07,839
>> Okay. That's what I was trying to

1574
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:10,480
clarify. Um, and when you talk about

1575
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:13,120
like Maple Street not having enough land

1576
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,279
stuff, so it's not, you know, the state

1577
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:19,520
wouldn't even allow it. Wouldn't that be grandfathered?

1578
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,359
>> No.

1579
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:23,679
the grants the the state grant school

1580
01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:26,400
construction grant agency has their

1581
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,719
>> minimum requirements.

1582
01:09:28,719 --> 01:09:30,159
>> Okay. So, because the school was built

1583
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:31,839
when it was, they're not grandfathered

1584
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:34,560
in as far as acreage.

1585
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:36,080
>> So, we'd have to get rid of it no matter

1586
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,679
what.

1587
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:39,520
>> You could you could improve that

1588
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,359
property, but it would be 100% on the

1589
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,279
town's pay for the entire project.

1590
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:47,440
>> Okay. All right. Thank you.

1591
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,920
>> Anybody else? Charity.

1592
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,920
>> Hi. Welcome to you. Um, I should

1593
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:53,600
probably note this, but does the town

1594
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,400
own all of the land at Northeast School?

1595
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:56,960
>> Yes.

1596
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,000
>> Okay. Thank you.

1597
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,480
>> Anybody else?

1598
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:03,760
>> Patricia.

1599
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,560
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You indicated that

1600
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,800
um property needed to be purchased for

1601
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,120
Maple Street School.

1602
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,719
>> If you would like the state to

1603
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:14,239
participate in reimbursement, you will

1604
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,560
need to meet that acreage requirement.

1605
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,400
And if the town wanted to bear the

1606
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,360
entire burden of upgrading that school

1607
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,960
because we don't without the property we

1608
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,480
would not qualify for the grant.

1609
01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:29,199
Correct. And if the town chose to bear

1610
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:32,159
the entire cost of that upgrade, what

1611
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:34,800
would that total be?

1612
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,199
We would have to look at a design for

1613
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,760
that and and do a project budget for it.

1614
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,360
Like I said, it would be entailing uh

1615
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,320
installing at least two elevators within

1616
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,320
an ancient building and then adding uh

1617
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:51,840
constructing an addition onto the

1618
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,280
building to mitigate the space that

1619
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:55,679
you're taking up by the elevators. Um,

1620
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:58,159
and that would also then snowball into

1621
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,159
redesigning the site itself and hoping

1622
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,159
that playground and parking would fit,

1623
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,800
which it probably wouldn't,

1624
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:06,640
which would result in us having to

1625
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,199
purchase additional land. That could be

1626
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,440
part of the study. Um but unless you

1627
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:14,000
meet the 12 or so acreage or whatever

1628
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,920
your dialogue becomes with the state of

1629
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,280
Connecticut uh grants office um you know

1630
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,800
that you would need to satisfy their

1631
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,480
acreage requirement and their uh ADA um

1632
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:28,880
compliance requirement in order for them

1633
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,800
to participate.

1634
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:31,520
>> Thank you.

1635
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:35,510
>> You're welcome.

1636
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,800
Thank you for and if I understand

1637
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,920
correctly right now and it would

1638
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,480
continue that if a student in a

1639
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:49,120
downstairs classroom breaks their leg,

1640
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,640
they go to another school because there

1641
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,159
is no way for them to get upstairs.

1642
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:59,040
How disruptive is that? And I hate to

1643
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,560
think if a teacher

1644
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,760
broke his or

1645
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,600
I don't know. Did they have to switch

1646
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,080
with another teacher? The bottom line is

1647
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,600
what this means for our kids education.

1648
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,000
Even with the elevator, we're not going

1649
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,400
to put in an elevator big enough to fit

1650
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,679
a classroom. So, when that class goes up

1651
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:26,960
to the gymnasium,

1652
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,040
it's going to take a lot of up and down

1653
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,520
and up and down, and you would need an

1654
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,000
extra adult. Um,

1655
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,800
I don't see any way around that. Am I

1656
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,280
missing something?

1657
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,960
>> Yeah, it would be a very complex

1658
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,440
solution. Um, you know, the other issue

1659
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,840
with a 101 year old school is that it

1660
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,840
was not built for the teaching and

1661
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,840
learning of today. Uh, the assembly

1662
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,280
space, as you probably know, the

1663
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,000
gymnasium is not sufficient. Um, so if

1664
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,679
you're going to engage in a project

1665
01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:58,080
where you're modifying a school to

1666
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,080
upgrade for modern teaching and

1667
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,920
learning, there would be other issues

1668
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,840
you want to address. that school such as

1669
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,480
proper assembly space, proper space for

1670
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,560
intervention learning, special ed. I

1671
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,000
mean, these buildings were constructed

1672
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,159
even when kindergarten didn't exist. So,

1673
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:13,600
you know, a lot of the teaching and

1674
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,360
learning is happening in closets or

1675
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,600
spaces that are not appropriate for for

1676
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,520
learning. So, you know, would you spend

1677
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,080
that amount of money just installing uh

1678
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,080
elevators and putting addition on and

1679
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,440
then not solving the rest of your

1680
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,080
educational issues and assembly issues?

1681
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,800
Having taught in both Maple Street and

1682
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,719
Northeast School, I can attest to the

1683
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:37,440
difficulties there are that go way

1684
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:40,159
beyond even the moving around the

1685
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:43,520
building. HVAC doesn't exist for all

1686
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,480
intents and purposes.

1687
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:45,679
>> And I don't know where you'd put the

1688
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,520
Maple. This would be such an invasive

1689
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:48,719
project that I don't know where you'd

1690
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:50,159
put the Maple Street students. Well,

1691
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,480
there wouldn't be a way to phase this

1692
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:54,000
project and say we're doing this wing

1693
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,679
and then that wing. So they would need a

1694
01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:58,800
place to go during that you know those

1695
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,400
lengths of years.

1696
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,400
>> Yeah. And the bottom line is it affects

1697
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,360
student achievement and then it also

1698
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,640
attract will u interfere with our p the

1699
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,880
world's perception of us. Do we want to

1700
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,920
move to that town where my kid would go

1701
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,719
to a 102 year old school that's not ADA

1702
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:22,560
compliant? All of those factors be

1703
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,280
beyond student achievement to me are

1704
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,719
really important. So, thank you very

1705
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:32,560
much. This is really thorough.

1706
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,159
>> I have two linked questions, one one for

1707
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:41,360
you and one for Paul. Paul, I think the

1708
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:47,199
right person. um how uh interdependent

1709
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:50,400
are phase one and phase two and the

1710
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,920
reason I ask is do we anticipate

1711
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,159
a single bond issue or two bond issues

1712
01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:58,960
and my concern is what's the risk if we

1713
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,199
go forward with phase one and then we

1714
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:03,760
don't get approval to do phase two

1715
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,199
>> right so right now we would only

1716
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:06,880
recommend that we pursue for a bond

1717
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,520
phase one that is the primary issue it's

1718
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,080
most recursion that is what we need to

1719
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,760
addressed phase two would be something

1720
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,600
to tackle again in the next 5 to 10

1721
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,440
years to look at they are not

1722
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,520
interdependent right we want to put

1723
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,360
something forward that shows hey we've

1724
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,080
really considered what are the critical

1725
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,320
areas that need to be addressed so I

1726
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,920
would say phase one is what needs to be

1727
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,480
done phase two is important yes but not

1728
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:34,080
connected to phase one that

1729
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,120
>> to to be clear I support both phases I

1730
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,040
just u worry about

1731
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,840
for a better term, political risk. If if

1732
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,840
we if we if we start

1733
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,840
then don't get approval to finish it.

1734
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,440
>> Yes. And that was on the mind of

1735
01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,360
everyone on the adop committee as well.

1736
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:54,719
Right. We don't want to be in a

1737
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:56,320
situation where our two most urgent

1738
01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:04,229
needs are not addressed.

1739
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:08,560
» Thank you, man. So on the similar line,

1740
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,760
I have some similar line here. So you

1741
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,920
They're not dependent on each other. But

1742
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,920
what I'm trying to get is what if we

1743
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,080
make it dependent because I'm seeing

1744
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,679
phase two is a lot of the Hback work

1745
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:24,320
right that's being done and we said that

1746
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,960
could be five years on.

1747
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,640
>> So that's the middle school which is a

1748
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,480
slightly different situation than the

1749
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:32,080
high school. The high school is at a

1750
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,199
more critical situation for failure.

1751
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:37,040
Middle school is not. We've done some

1752
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,560
work there. Middle school is a big

1753
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:39,760
building. That's why there's a bigger

1754
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,400
price tag. There are some things that

1755
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,520
need there are things that need to be

1756
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,840
done to get it where it needs to be in

1757
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,080
2026

1758
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,360
like in a lot of that's why is part of

1759
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,600
phase two but they are two distinct

1760
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,239
things you have high school which is at

1761
01:16:56,239 --> 01:16:58,880
critical juncture right now potential

1762
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,800
failure and then you have middle school

1763
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,679
which needs to be done and that's right

1764
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:05,440
and I do understand and appreciate you

1765
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,280
coming you guys coming with all this

1766
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,520
information so much it's not a concern

1767
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,239
is more of for the students, right? So

1768
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,199
the HVAC so we'll wait phase one to get

1769
01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:19,520
done and we'll wait and then after that

1770
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,560
we'll go and do the HVAC, right? And

1771
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,480
this is the students being in the

1772
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:26,159
classroom being comfortable, right? I

1773
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:27,600
understand that this is cold weather.

1774
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,760
They don't get that, but I see that

1775
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,840
you're putting AC where there's not. So

1776
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,920
is it was considering putting some of

1777
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:41,590
that work towards the phase one?

1778
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,239
» Um so I don't I think phase one is

1779
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:46,880
solidly the high school and the new

1780
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:52,310
elementary.

1781
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,400
I would say we are constantly making

1782
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,600
improvements investing in our kids

1783
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,199
learn.

1784
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:01,600
So as you know we also got increased

1785
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:12,390
money from the state this year.

1786
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,120
So yeah, you know we are addressing

1787
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,080
things as they are needed. So our kids

1788
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,120
will have where we are able to put in

1789
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:22,880
units. We have done that in a lot of

1790
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:31,430
buildings to address those concerns.

1791
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:33,760
is not tied to this project.

1792
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,679
>> This is a temporary measure to phase

1793
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:37,440
two, we'll put in those window units.

1794
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:40,400
So, portable units.

1795
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,880
>> Okay. So, the other question I have is

1796
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,840
um on one of the page it mentioned that

1797
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,679
for the new school that there was

1798
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:49,280
assumed that this base waiver is

1799
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:53,199
accepted. Is there was that about?

1800
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:55,760
>> Yeah. So, um The state of Connecticut

1801
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,320
calculates their grant reimbursement for

1802
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,800
all the towns based on a specific square

1803
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,159
footage. Now, most schools are built

1804
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,480
over that square footage. Um, the

1805
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,120
state's baseline is really just core

1806
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,880
curriculum. Doesn't include special ed,

1807
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,960
which is federally mandated, doesn't

1808
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,880
include, you know, larger assembly

1809
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,199
spaces, things like that. Um so you have

1810
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:19,040
to go through a process with them an

1811
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,920
application uh asking for a space waiver

1812
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,600
proving that you need the space for the

1813
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,840
curriculum that you're teaching. Um this

1814
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,719
kind of waiver is generally accepted. So

1815
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:31,120
we put in the calculations that it would

1816
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,760
be accepted. Um the other reason we feel

1817
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,880
confidence in that is that um this past

1818
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,000
spring in uh the legislative approvals,

1819
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,000
there was a lot of special legislation

1820
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,880
for schools all over the state and uh

1821
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,159
many of them received higher

1822
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,000
reimbursement rates for either space

1823
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,000
waiverss or other reasons. It's very

1824
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:52,400
favorable. Um the governor at the moment

1825
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,400
is uh highly supporting school

1826
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:55,920
construction to the tune and to 500

1827
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,600
million dollars a year in state

1828
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,719
investment. So we feel confident. So

1829
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:03,840
what would be the impact if not

1830
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,840
>> um it could range anywhere from a

1831
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,960
discount um of five to 10% depending on

1832
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,520
the size of the school uh that you

1833
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,679
ultimately designed with the architects.

1834
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:15,679
Um but it becomes a dialogue with the

1835
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,520
state as to again you know why do you

1836
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,280
need this specific space? What is this

1837
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,040
for? You know so you have specialized

1838
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,600
programs at Lake Street and uh other

1839
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,520
schools that you would need to prove is

1840
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,000
part of your uh curriculum and and have

1841
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,000
that dialogue with them.

1842
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,520
So, this is something we're planning on

1843
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:34,560
submitting before we submit the budget.

1844
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,480
>> It's part of the process. You know, it

1845
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:38,800
timing will be part of what we talk

1846
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,120
about. Um, it can be in your grant

1847
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,120
application. It can be in next year's

1848
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,679
special legislation language. Uh,

1849
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:47,360
there's a variety of ways that you can

1850
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,280
look to maximize your reimbursement.

1851
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,920
>> Just seem a little complicated.

1852
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,400
It it's uh complicated, but if you track

1853
01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:59,040
it and all act together as a team, it

1854
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,040
works out.

1855
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:02,480
>> Has done this before, right?

1856
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:06,719
>> Yes. Thank you.

1857
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:09,199
>> Do you mayor? Thank you. Um my question

1858
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:11,280
is uh you kind of just you hinted

1859
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,880
towards I just want to know if there's a

1860
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,719
clear definition as best as you possibly

1861
01:21:14,719 --> 01:21:16,800
can give us. What has made the

1862
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,760
reimbursement fail in the past to your

1863
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,520
best? I know there's probably many

1864
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,920
things, but just What has made it fail

1865
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:25,280
when it has?

1866
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:27,040
>> Um,

1867
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:28,480
you mean here specifically or just

1868
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:29,120
generally?

1869
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:30,480
>> Just general because we're asking the

1870
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:31,760
state of Connecticut. So, other towns

1871
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:32,480
have done it.

1872
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:32,800
>> Yeah.

1873
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:34,400
>> You know, so what has made them fail

1874
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:35,440
when they came?

1875
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,719
>> It's very rare. Um,

1876
01:21:38,719 --> 01:21:42,400
missing grant application deadlines. um

1877
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,239
you know not meeting acreage

1878
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:47,679
requirements or other you know baseline

1879
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:52,390
um

1880
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,280
it's that's that's really the main

1881
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,440
categories that I can think of at the

1882
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,679
moment. It's a very supportive

1883
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:00,960
environment right now.

1884
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:02,239
>> Okay. Excellent. Because I already know

1885
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:03,920
we have the best team of you guys and

1886
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,600
everyone else who put the energy into

1887
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:07,760
this. So I believe in believe that you

1888
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:09,040
guys are good. Thank you.

1889
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,159
>> Thank you. Anybody

1890
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:16,629
else?

1891
01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:19,440
» Through you, Mayor. Thank you again. Um,

1892
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,679
I forgot a few questions I had. Now,

1893
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:23,840
you're talking about the the state

1894
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:27,520
grants and stuff um for helping with the

1895
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,840
cost of the schools. Are there any

1896
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,040
federal grants out there available?

1897
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,239
So um the way that your state grant

1898
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,239
department looks at it is if you accept

1899
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:39,920
money from another source they will

1900
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,840
discount the state grant. They call it

1901
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,520
double dipping. However, uh over time

1902
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,239
they have become lenient on the

1903
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,800
acceptance of utility rebates and that

1904
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,400
will definitely come into play at the

1905
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,400
high school and middle school HVAC

1906
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,719
projects because that HBAC grant really

1907
01:22:56,719 --> 01:22:57,920
is supposed to go just towards the

1908
01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,360
mechanical system

1909
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,040
>> and you have an opportunity now that

1910
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,280
you're going to be um putting in duct

1911
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,199
work and so forth to upgrade your

1912
01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:06,960
ceilings and lighting. Technically,

1913
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,040
lighting doesn't clarif classify for the

1914
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,440
HBC grant, but then you can use the

1915
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,360
utility rebates for that. So that's the

1916
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,280
only, you know, if you have a private

1917
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,800
donation or you have another grant from

1918
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,639
another source, uh, you need to be

1919
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:20,480
transparent about that and they will

1920
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:22,719
discount that off of their grant.

1921
01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:24,080
>> Well, the reason why I asked is because

1922
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,679
you had mentioned that the um the

1923
01:23:27,679 --> 01:23:30,400
special ed is fed federally mandated. So

1924
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:34,239
certain things are mandated, right, by the federal government. So you would

1925
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,800
think that they would help uh when it

1926
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,199
comes to meeting certain standards and

1927
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:41,760
stuff when you rebuild. Yeah, I mean

1928
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,600
that's a great point and that was picked

1929
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,080
up when the state rolled out the minimum

1930
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,000
square footage require or maximum square

1931
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,960
footage requirements baseline. Uh many

1932
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,960
superintendents were in the room and

1933
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,920
argued that those maximums were

1934
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:57,679
completely unfair because they did not

1935
01:23:57,679 --> 01:23:59,840
include this the federal mandates. And

1936
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,239
my other question if you don't mind um

1937
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:05,040
with the construction I know this

1938
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,639
building of a new school where northeast

1939
01:24:06,639 --> 01:24:09,920
school is does this cover the cost of

1940
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:11,679
demolishing the current northeast

1941
01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:12,880
school?

1942
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,880
>> Uh yes but that would be down the road.

1943
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,679
So we escalated that because we factored

1944
01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:19,840
in that you would want to

1945
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,600
>> possibly maintain the building for a few

1946
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:23,840
years to help with phase two. And what

1947
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:27,040
would be the end result for Maple Street

1948
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:32,310
School?

1949
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,080
» Maple Street School would be a town

1950
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,280
building.

1951
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,560
>> It'll be town building.

1952
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,560
>> Okay. So, that won't be demolished.

1953
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:39,840
>> Okay. It depends on what the town

1954
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,520
council at the time decides.

1955
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:42,800
>> Okay.

1956
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,159
I thank you.

1957
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:46,719
>> Okay.

1958
01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:48,000
>> Phyllis.

1959
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,960
>> Thank you. I was hoping we would hear

1960
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,520
from our superintendent. you've had

1961
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,840
experience in your last district.

1962
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,239
>> Sure. So, I just want to thank everybody

1963
01:24:58,239 --> 01:24:59,840
for their time. I know it's been a lot

1964
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,239
of time tonight. Um, but I really truly

1965
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:04,560
I know I've been here for six weeks, but

1966
01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:07,120
I hit the ground running. I came in and

1967
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:08,880
looked at the amount of work that's been

1968
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,639
done by the ad hoc committee, which is

1969
01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:13,360
admirable. And I do know that this is an

1970
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:17,040
ask for fiscal um fiscals from fis

1971
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,639
fiscal and fiscal ask for the town. But

1972
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:22,960
when you hired me, you hired me to move

1973
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,280
Vernon into the future for our students.

1974
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,840
And this is, I do believe, a critical

1975
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,159
piece in doing that. Um, I was at the

1976
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,400
welcome back meeting today um at the

1977
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:33,840
state of Connecticut for all of the

1978
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,320
superintendent and they talked about our

1979
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:40,639
students being the future of everything

1980
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:44,080
um from building STEM careers to all of

1981
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,239
the other things, all of the challenges

1982
01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:48,080
that are in the world right now. Our

1983
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:51,040
kids are the solution for that. And I

1984
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,080
really do believe that this project, our

1985
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:55,679
students, if you look at our test

1986
01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:57,360
scores, we just had that board of ed

1987
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,760
presentation yesterday, they are growing

1988
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:02,560
at rates that I have never seen before.

1989
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,719
And and especially in an alliance

1990
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:07,360
district, um they deserve the best

1991
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,679
facilities. They deserve to be able to

1992
01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:11,920
be in learning environments where they

1993
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,719
can learn everything that we have. Our

1994
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:16,639
staff is amazing. Our students are

1995
01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:19,280
amazing and these facilities will allow

1996
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,560
them to do that. Um I do have and one of

1997
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:25,440
the biggest concerns is the phase one.

1998
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,360
If the mechanicals at the high school

1999
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,000
fail within the next two to five years,

2000
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,639
we do not have anywhere to put the 1100

2001
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:34,800
students that currently go there and

2002
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,199
that will put us back into possibly

2003
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,520
shifting them because it is legal in the

2004
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,520
state of Connecticut all to remote

2005
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:43,760
learning. But we know what that did

2006
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,400
during CO, we know how that set our

2007
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,560
students back. And that is just not

2008
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,199
something if you're entrusting us to do

2009
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:54,400
and for me as your new superintendent to

2010
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,080
make sure that our students have what

2011
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,239
they want. I will do whatever it needs

2012
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:00,480
to be done to help work us through this

2013
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,560
process. We will not miss I have never

2014
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,800
missed a grant deadline in the 26 years

2015
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:06,800
I've been doing things. I'm super

2016
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,520
uptight about that. Um, so I will make

2017
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,719
sure at my job that we do not miss

2018
01:27:12,719 --> 01:27:15,199
deadlines, that we do not miss details.

2019
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,840
Um, but I really truly do believe that

2020
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,000
this is what we need to move forward.

2021
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,480
Uh, and we are building not only the

2022
01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:24,719
future of burden, but the future of

2023
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:26,800
everything. Our kids could be the kids

2024
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,840
that cure cancer. They could be who

2025
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,159
invents, you know, the solutions of the

2026
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:34,159
AI fears that are out there that we've

2027
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:37,040
been hearing about this this week. Um,

2028
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:42,709
and I think this is the perfect

2029
01:27:42,719 --> 01:27:45,920
» Oh, sorry. That is not

2030
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,510
>> wrong building.

2031
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:50,639
» Mike.

2032
01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:51,520
>> Thank you, Mayor.

2033
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:55,750
>> I'm a teacher. Anytime someone

2034
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:59,600
» Good evening and welcome. Um, I just got

2035
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,679
to fill you in on something that my my

2036
01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:03,280
oldest daughter talked to me about this

2037
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,000
week. Um, that she's

2038
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:07,520
getting ready to give birth to her third

2039
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:11,440
child. We um have an older son who's 39,

2040
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:15,199
an older daughter is 37 in Arizona in

2041
01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:17,360
Georgia, and she came home to visit

2042
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,040
recently. My youngest just graduated

2043
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,560
from Rockville High, finished her

2044
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,560
freshman year in Yukon. But um she we

2045
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,280
were talking and she goes, "Dad, when

2046
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,840
you're down south, our schools are

2047
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,400
immaculate. They put education and the

2048
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,880
kids first. They said, "Everything goes

2049
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,880
into these schools. Everything for the

2050
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:38,719
kids." She goes, "I never realized when

2051
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:39,840
I was there for my daughter's

2052
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,239
graduation, she came here to, you know,

2053
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:43,760
for my daughter's graduation." She goes,

2054
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,239
"Just how run down Rockville High School

2055
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:48,560
was compared to where my kids go to

2056
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,880
school." She goes, "It's a night and

2057
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,960
day. Um, it's just a difference of

2058
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,400
mentality, whatever." She goes, "I don't

2059
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,000
know. I didn't realize it when I was

2060
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,840
going there, but when you get away from

2061
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,600
it and then you come home," she goes,

2062
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,199
it's a world of difference. So, our

2063
01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:04,000
schools are old. Um, schools need help.

2064
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,920
They need work. Um we need to bring them

2065
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,560
into the future and our kids deserve the

2066
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,159
best.

2067
01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:11,760
>> Thank you.

2068
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,320
>> If I could, another great point. Um some

2069
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:15,520
of your neighboring towns have been

2070
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,040
doing school projects. I strongly

2071
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,600
encourage you to visit the schools uh

2072
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,920
that have been renovated or built new in

2073
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:25,840
uh Vernon, I mean in um Ellington, in

2074
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,120
South Windsor, and in Manchester. Um so,

2075
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,239
you know, you're used to seeing your

2076
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:32,000
schools, right? You love your schools.

2077
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,679
They're charming. They're delivering the

2078
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:35,440
education. But if you haven't been in a

2079
01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:37,760
new elementary school, middle school, or

2080
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,760
high school, it's important to go visit

2081
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:43,040
those just to see the great difference.

2082
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:47,120
>> Yes. Thank you. [snorts]

2083
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,520
>> Anybody else?

2084
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,679
>> No. You might as well stay seated. We're

2085
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:52,880
going to move things around, so you guys

2086
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:59,030
will be up in a second.

2087
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,560
All right. So, I'm going to finish off

2088
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,320
uh just the mayor's comments and then

2089
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,800
we're going to be moving um we're going

2090
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:08,480
to go right to uh new business one and

2091
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:10,159
then three for the people in the

2092
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:14,480
audience. You guys all set with that?

2093
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:16,960
Any objections to that? All right. So,

2094
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:18,239
as soon as I'm done the comments, we're

2095
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:21,600
going to go to uh one and three, right?

2096
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,320
Get those out of the way. All right. Uh

2097
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:27,040
we got a couple events coming up. The

2098
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,920
fall 2026 planting portion of the live

2099
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:33,040
here love trees program is underway.

2100
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:34,480
Interested parties that would like to

2101
01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:36,400
learn more about the live here love

2102
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,320
trees program can uh contact the

2103
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:39,280
planning department for more

2104
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:41,520
information. Two educational sessions

2105
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:45,280
are planned in September. Saturday 9:19

2106
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:50,719
uh 2026 and Tuesday 9:22 2026

2107
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:52,639
October month of October. Tommy

2108
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:54,480
Golinsky, who started this event when he

2109
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:56,639
was in third grade at Northeast School,

2110
01:30:56,639 --> 01:30:58,639
has reached his 11th anniversary of the

2111
01:30:58,639 --> 01:31:03,280
event. Boxes are decorated and distributed to

2112
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:04,800
town buildings for those who wish to

2113
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,159
donate clean new socks to be uh to be

2114
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:09,760
turned in to donate to the homeless

2115
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:11,679
shelter each year. If you would like to

2116
01:31:11,679 --> 01:31:14,320
donate here, if you'd like to donate,

2117
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:15,760
there is a box here in the lobby of the

2118
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,320
town hall. And I talked to the

2119
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,679
superintendent today and the schools are

2120
01:31:19,679 --> 01:31:21,120
going to be running the same program

2121
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:22,320
through Tom

2122
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,400
through Mr. Golinsky. He is uh in

2123
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,320
college right now, so he actually

2124
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,400
reached out to me and asked if he can

2125
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:31,280
continue this program on because it it

2126
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,679
means a lot to him. So if you haven't

2127
01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:35,679
taken part in that, buy some new socks

2128
01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:38,239
and donate them to the homeless. October

2129
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:40,480
2nd, 2026, the Burn Fire Department is

2130
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:42,880
hosting a comedy night at the Elks Club

2131
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,719
on North Park Street, Vernon,

2132
01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:47,280
Connecticut. Doors open at 7 p.m. Show

2133
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:48,719
will begin at 800 PM. Seating is

2134
01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:50,960
limited. Please reach out to any member

2135
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,120
of the any of the members on the flyer

2136
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,199
for tickets. Cost is $30. This is a

2137
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:57,679
fundraiser for the fire department.

2138
01:31:57,679 --> 01:32:00,080
October 3rd, 2026, there will be an open

2139
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,360
house at the new rec center next to the

2140
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,880
senior center 135 Bolton Road from 9:30

2141
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:10,080
a.m. to 12:00 p.m. Uh we're going to

2142
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,320
look at a time for the seniors to take

2143
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,480
on the town council and chair

2144
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:16,080
volleyball.

2145
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,159
I'm sorry, but the money's on the

2146
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:21,364
seniors. Um, they are vicious,

2147
01:32:21,364 --> 01:32:23,199
[clears throat]

2148
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:24,800
but I think it's going to be fun. So,

2149
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,480
guys, make sure you show up if you can.

2150
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:29,280
It'll be a lot. It'll be good time. Uh,

2151
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,679
and that's open for everybody to stop in

2152
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:34,480
no matter the age. There's a couple of

2153
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:36,800
uh updates around town. So, the drainage

2154
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,320
on East Street that we've been working

2155
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,960
on for a while. Um,

2156
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:42,560
there was a new twist put into the whole

2157
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,120
thing. We're building a new school.

2158
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,199
That's what the uh the slowdown on that

2159
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:48,639
is right now until we get some numbers

2160
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:50,320
and we can get some piping up into the

2161
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,159
school uh because we have the we're

2162
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,639
going to have the obviously have that

2163
01:32:54,639 --> 01:32:57,120
size piping mixed into the the size

2164
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:58,480
piping that we're going to have down on

2165
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:02,000
East Street. So that's coming. Uh

2166
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,960
there's some sidewalks on Union Street.

2167
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,800
There's some portions that have panels

2168
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,800
that are broken. Uh we are working on

2169
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:10,400
that throughout Rockville. We're

2170
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,000
identifying those sections. We're

2171
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:13,440
pulling them out and we're replacing the

2172
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:16,000
sections because Union was just done. If

2173
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:17,120
you drive down, you're going to see the

2174
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,840
curbs are low. It's not that the curbs

2175
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,239
were low. It's that the state comes

2176
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:24,239
along and puts a whole new layer of

2177
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:27,280
asphalt down without grinding it down.

2178
01:33:27,280 --> 01:33:30,719
So those curbs are the proper height,

2179
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:33,679
the road just keeps coming up and up.

2180
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:37,760
And uh so we each of those wherever you

2181
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,360
have those areas, we are working on

2182
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,520
those. And we've also identified School

2183
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:42,960
Street and there's a few others around

2184
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,360
town as well as out of Rockville that

2185
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,400
we're looking at as well as a a grant

2186
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,120
that we got for new sidewalks and we're

2187
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,520
also uh looking at the ADA. We're going

2188
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,600
to re-evaluate buildings on the ADA as

2189
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,080
well. Um the biggest point was the doors

2190
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:59,520
out here. We opened them up. We're going

2191
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:00,880
to open them up for meetings so it makes

2192
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,639
it easier for people to come in and out.

2193
01:34:02,639 --> 01:34:04,159
But I think most of our buildings are

2194
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:08,159
ADA um except Street,

2195
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:09,520
but we're we're trying to hit them as

2196
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:14,080
much as we can. All right. Yeah.

2197
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,440
I have a question. Who reach out to? Is

2198
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:21,440
it the town or the state for cross or

2199
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:22,719
crosswalk? Like

2200
01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:24,960
>> it depends on the road.

2201
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:28,800
>> Grove Street in front of the um it's

2202
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,360
Grove Street in front of the

2203
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,840
>> elderly the elderly complex. Okay.

2204
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,199
>> There's a crosswalk but there's no

2205
01:34:35,199 --> 01:34:36,080
light.

2206
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:37,840
>> Gro Street is a state road.

2207
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,840
>> State. So I reach out to the state.

2208
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:40,800
Yeah. Thank you.

2209
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,000
>> Yep.

2210
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,199
>> All right.

2211
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:45,280
So, we're going to move on. Uh, like I

2212
01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:46,320
said, we're going to mix things up a

2213
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:47,040
little bit. We're going to let the

2214
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,800
school finish with theirs. So, we're

2215
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,639
going to go to

2216
01:34:50,639 --> 01:34:53,199
>> Yeah.

2217
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:55,760
I was hoping to hear an update on

2218
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,800
uh whether you were able to close the

2219
01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:00,880
loop with Hartford Healthcare about

2220
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,639
coming to do a farm here in uh and

2221
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:06,239
they're they're looking into that.

2222
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:06,639
>> Great.

2223
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:08,320
>> Sorry. I I actually went and met with

2224
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:09,280
them.

2225
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,520
>> Sorry. I I went and met with Harvard

2226
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,120
Healthare to an update on what's going

2227
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:17,440
on. And literally, um, the reason that

2228
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:19,199
they're not coming out here, they're

2229
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:22,639
replacing everything from the IV stands

2230
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:25,600
all the way up. And I and I have to say

2231
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,480
this, you know, Prospect, if it wasn't

2232
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,560
for the local

2233
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:33,440
administration, the local doctors, and

2234
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:35,600
just our local people here, those

2235
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,159
hospitals would have failed.

2236
01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:40,320
All right? So they had when when Harford

2237
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,000
took over the hospitals, they're

2238
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,480
literally building it from the ground up

2239
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:46,320
from everything from the Ivy stands all

2240
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,080
the way to the roof, air conditioning

2241
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:49,840
systems. They're putting so much money

2242
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:52,880
in and we're I'm hoping to get an update

2243
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,880
more as to the future uses. They're

2244
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:56,480
stuck in contract right now with the

2245
01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:58,320
state, but we're hoping to overcome that

2246
01:35:58,320 --> 01:35:59,760
because they really want to expand

2247
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,320
services in our hospital.

2248
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:04,239
All right.

2249
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:06,239
So give us give them a little time.

2250
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:09,440
There's so much they got to catch up on.

2251
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:13,040
All right, let's keep

2252
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:14,880
>> a question or say something.

2253
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,880
>> Question

2254
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,159
just purchased Stern Physicians

2255
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:23,120
which is on Route 30 and uh then they're

2256
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,639
merging now with them or taking over. So

2257
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:29,280
they have a lot of you know things going

2258
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,400
on at this point and expanded. So I I

2259
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:34,080
would imagine from what I heard from

2260
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,560
somebody that I know of that is a doctor

2261
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,360
with them. Um they are uh improving the

2262
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,000
facilities uh drastically especially

2263
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,360
Manchester they're concentrating a lot

2264
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:44,400
in Manchester right now.

2265
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:45,199
>> They're doing both.

2266
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:47,119
>> Yeah. But they're working on Rockville

2267
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:48,719
too but they're really they have a lot

2268
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:50,239
of stuff to upgrade. Plus with the

2269
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,719
purchase of certain positions that's a

2270
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:54,560
whole

2271
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:57,840
you know taken out you know.

2272
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:58,960
>> Okay.

2273
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:01,199
>> All right. Let's keep going. All right,

2274
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:04,960
let's go to uh

2275
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:09,990
>> what's that?

2276
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,600
» Yep. New business number one. That is

2277
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,119
the presentation by the Burton Board of

2278
01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:15,840
Education on the expenditures for the

2279
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,719
supplemental education aid uh grant that

2280
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:21,520
we got from the state.

2281
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,920
You'll find that in new business one in

2282
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:28,639
your packet. Bill Superintendent.

2283
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,159
>> Thank you, Mayor. Bill Meyer, director

2284
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,639
of business and finance, and Dr. Hills

2285
01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:35,040
Propetti, superintendent of schools. Um,

2286
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:37,440
so as the council knows, um, we received

2287
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,679
in the state budget this year, fiscal 27

2288
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:42,239
budget, um, an additional appropriation,

2289
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:44,560
uh, 3.276

2290
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:46,080
million.

2291
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:47,679
um taking the feedback from the council

2292
01:37:47,679 --> 01:37:49,840
and the board. Um we work together uh

2293
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,159
the board and town um to identify

2294
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:55,280
projects um infrastructure projects um

2295
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:57,360
really investments uh to avoid future

2296
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,280
expenses some anticipated capital

2297
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:00,880
expenses that the board knows that we're

2298
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,239
going to be facing in the next several

2299
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:04,719
years and to use these funds um for

2300
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:07,119
those expenses. Um so we started with

2301
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:09,440
the board's capital plan u which is

2302
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:11,119
developed annually together with our

2303
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:13,199
principles. We do building visits in

2304
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:15,040
March, the superintendent, myself, and

2305
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,360
our facilities team. Uh we then work

2306
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:19,600
together with our athletics director, um

2307
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,600
with our parks and recck director, the

2308
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,600
town's park and recck director, shoot

2309
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,320
shared services, as well as uh the

2310
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:28,000
department of public works and the

2311
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,560
public works director. Um we identified

2312
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,600
priorities um and budgeted uh estimates

2313
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,239
for these projects. Um, these projects

2314
01:38:36,239 --> 01:38:38,560
listed in the packet were presented and

2315
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,239
approved by the board of education at

2316
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:43,280
their August meeting. Um, and um, as

2317
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,639
promised, we're bringing them back to

2318
01:38:44,639 --> 01:38:48,400
the council um, to show you our intended

2319
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:50,800
uh, use for these funds. We broken them

2320
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:53,280
down by school. Um, you'll see um,

2321
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:54,800
starting at the top, Rockville High

2322
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,800
School. Um again, you know, prioritizing

2323
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,199
uh infrastructure projects, um you know,

2324
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:05,440
our continued work on the science lab, renovations,

2325
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:07,840
um as well as uh the tennis courts uh

2326
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,520
that have been discussed for for many

2327
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,920
years, um along with several other

2328
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,199
projects, um including some HBAC, I

2329
01:39:15,199 --> 01:39:18,000
guess I would call them band-aids or

2330
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,679
intermixes

2331
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:22,000
to, um help to prevent a catastrophic

2332
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,840
failure before we can move forward with

2333
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:26,320
a referendum and a and a proposed major

2334
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:29,199
renovation. Um, mayor, I don't know how

2335
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:31,600
you'd like to handle the list, if um,

2336
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,119
you want me to go through items or how

2337
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:34,800
you'd like me to Let's just go right to

2338
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:35,360
questions.

2339
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:36,080
>> Okay.

2340
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:37,920
>> All right.

2341
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,480
Questions

2342
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:42,639
Bernie,

2343
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:45,119
you may looking at the the numbers and

2344
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:47,040
the breakdown to what they're going to

2345
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:50,400
be u they're going to be working on um

2346
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,280
with the grant money. Uh, let me see.

2347
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,199
So, I don't see the I wanted to make

2348
01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:56,960
sure I don't see the two schools that we

2349
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,080
are looking to build. So, we're not

2350
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,719
going to be pouring into pouring much

2351
01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:05,360
money unless it's absolutely needed for

2352
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:07,520
the school. So, I'm glad to see that. I

2353
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:09,040
just wanted to point that out. Thank

2354
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:17,750
you.

2355
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:20,159
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2356
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:21,440
Thank you, Mr.

2357
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:24,159
and Superintendent Bills Pepetti for all

2358
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:25,760
the work that you've done as well as the

2359
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:27,119
board of education in putting this

2360
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:32,320
together. It can be quite daunting when when money appears and we need to

2361
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,159
come up with a plan that meets the needs

2362
01:40:34,159 --> 01:40:36,639
of the students. Um so please bear with

2363
01:40:36,639 --> 01:40:40,320
me um while I go through some questions.

2364
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,480
So each council member was given the

2365
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:45,840
board of education budget um

2366
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,480
during budget time, right? And in in the

2367
01:40:48,480 --> 01:40:50,719
budget, as Mr. Myers indicated there's a

2368
01:40:50,719 --> 01:40:53,600
capital plan and some of the items that

2369
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,639
you've indicated on your to-do list are

2370
01:40:56,639 --> 01:40:59,280
listed in the capital plan. So, I want

2371
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,520
to thank you for that. The question I

2372
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,719
have is why are the items that are

2373
01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:07,440
listed in the capital plan not on your

2374
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:09,360
to-do list?

2375
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,880
For example, in the capital plan, you

2376
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,119
indicated for Center Road School that

2377
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:16,960
you would be doing the solar camp piece

2378
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:19,760
on the roof and the HVAC upgrades at

2379
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,920
Center Road School for the years 26 27

2380
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,560
for the HVAC, but both schools 27 both

2381
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:33,199
projects 27 28 and 28 and 29. But I

2382
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:36,239
don't see those in your to-do list. I

2383
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:39,760
see other items that are not on the

2384
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,800
capital plan. So that also poses a

2385
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,960
question for me. If they're current

2386
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:48,320
needs now, why weren't they included in

2387
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:51,920
the capital plan? For example, for

2388
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,159
Center Road School, you have a

2389
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:57,440
playground for half a million dollars,

2390
01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:01,520
bathroom renovations for $79,000,

2391
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:05,040
an intercom system for $75,000,

2392
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,719
and chimney rack for 18,500.

2393
01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:11,119
I am not saying nor am I disagreeing

2394
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:14,000
that these may be needs. The question I

2395
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,960
have is why were these needs not

2396
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:24,310
included in your capital plan?

2397
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:26,719
» Okay. Um well thank you for the question

2398
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:29,199
and um so when you look at our capital

2399
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:31,280
plan um that capital plan is for all

2400
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,760
funding sources. Um so for instance the

2401
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:36,239
solar canopies um if we move forward

2402
01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:37,920
with that that would be through a a

2403
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,400
financing mechanism um where there's a

2404
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,480
repayment over say 20 years. So we would

2405
01:42:42,480 --> 01:42:44,320
work with a financing company and

2406
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,000
investor they would fund the

2407
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,159
construction capital and then we would

2408
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:50,159
receive the return on investment through

2409
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:53,040
um the electricity. Um as far as the

2410
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,280
HVAC repairs that you mentioned

2411
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,639
>> can you hold on for a second? Sorry.

2412
01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:02,560
>> We as a council funded the um solar

2413
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:05,199
panels at public works. We actually paid

2414
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:08,320
for them up front. And one of the ideas

2415
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:10,880
um under Joe was that we want to see how

2416
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,960
the return is on that because when you

2417
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,639
have a contract over 20 years, that

2418
01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:16,080
solar company's going to take a portion

2419
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:19,760
of that. So I I can take 20 years paying

2420
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,760
it back or we paid it up front. We took

2421
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:23,440
a loan to ourselves from our general

2422
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:26,239
fund and if I can pay that back in just

2423
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:27,760
a couple years because I'm getting a lot

2424
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:30,400
more money back. We wanted to see how

2425
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,000
that works. We want to see how that

2426
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,000
balances out because if we can do this

2427
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,159
in a much shorter time and we're

2428
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:39,199
actually borrowing from ourselves and

2429
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:40,880
we're paying ourselves back because

2430
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:44,000
we're getting this money back. Um,

2431
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:45,760
that's something we wanted to look at

2432
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,159
and that's one of the issues we talked

2433
01:43:48,159 --> 01:43:49,600
about with solar panel under shared

2434
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,520
services.

2435
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:55,119
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2436
01:43:55,119 --> 01:43:57,440
>> What about the items that you have that

2437
01:43:57,440 --> 01:44:00,560
you say are now needs but are not

2438
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:02,560
included in your capital plan. Why is

2439
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,239
that? Why were they not indicated

2440
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:06,239
earlier that they were needs? I also

2441
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:08,880
have questions regarding Skinner Road

2442
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:10,560
School and Rockville High School. I

2443
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,400
didn't want to take too much time, but

2444
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:14,639
again, there are items on the list such

2445
01:44:14,639 --> 01:44:17,040
as Rockville High School. You indicated

2446
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,119
that you had auditorium maintenance that

2447
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:21,679
needed to be done for future years. Not

2448
01:44:21,679 --> 01:44:23,840
this budget year, but the upcoming three

2449
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:25,520
budget years, but I don't see you

2450
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:28,080
including that in the $3 point something

2451
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:29,920
million dollars that you got from the

2452
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,239
state. I just don't understand if there

2453
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:34,159
needs your capital plan, why aren't they

2454
01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:37,280
needs now that you want to spend the um

2455
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,840
found money on? Would that not save

2456
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:42,880
taxpayers money or are we still doing

2457
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:44,880
the auditorium maintenance on the

2458
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:47,440
taxpayers money

2459
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:49,119
and not the found money?

2460
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:51,280
>> You mind if I just say one thing? One of

2461
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:52,960
the other one of the other subjects we

2462
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,679
have to realize is that we have a year.

2463
01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:58,159
So to to do all these

2464
01:44:58,159 --> 01:44:59,840
projects, we have to complete them

2465
01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:02,080
before within that year. So So I'm just

2466
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,000
saying one of the issues I'm sure these

2467
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,679
guys thought of when they when they did

2468
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,360
this, can we get can we get these done

2469
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:08,800
in a year?

2470
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,880
So go ahead, Billy. Answer the question

2471
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:12,400
on what was asked too.

2472
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,800
>> Yes. No, thank you mayor and um through

2473
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:17,360
the mayor to Dr. Buckston. Um so yes,

2474
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:21,280
again good question. Um we did um one of

2475
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:22,880
the big considerations like the mayor

2476
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:24,719
said what what can be done within the

2477
01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:26,159
year. Um you know keep in mind you know

2478
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:27,199
these projects need to go through

2479
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:28,480
procurement, they need to go through

2480
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:30,719
design and we believe the funds need to

2481
01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:32,880
be fully expended by June 30th which

2482
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,360
means the money is actually dispersed.

2483
01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:36,800
Um and we're waiting for further

2484
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,480
clarification on the state, but we don't

2485
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,960
have that right now. Um as far as the

2486
01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:42,239
high school goes and you know the

2487
01:45:42,239 --> 01:45:44,000
capital plan, like I said, is from all

2488
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,960
sources. Um we generate revenue from the

2489
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,440
rentals of the building. Um and we have

2490
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:52,080
an account um that contains those funds.

2491
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:53,760
Um it's intended that we're going to use

2492
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,239
those funds um from the rentals for some

2493
01:45:56,239 --> 01:45:58,000
of that work at the high school. So yes,

2494
01:45:58,000 --> 01:45:59,440
we are still planning to do that work

2495
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:01,679
just with another funding source and at

2496
01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:03,520
no cost to taxpayers because it's

2497
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,119
through the billing from the extra

2498
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:07,440
recital and things like that.

2499
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:09,040
>> Thank you. And if I may ask one more

2500
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:10,000
question.

2501
01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:10,719
>> Good.

2502
01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:13,440
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um in in our

2503
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:15,280
packet, we indicate that Rockville High

2504
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:16,880
School tennis courts are going to cost

2505
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,040
$725,000,

2506
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:24,880
but your capital plan indicated that project would cost $1.2 million.

2507
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:27,280
wondering why there's a difference in

2508
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:29,040
the cost.

2509
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,280
>> Yes. Um through the mayor. Um so

2510
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,360
originally in the capital plan uh we had

2511
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,360
discussed doing a post-tension concrete

2512
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,600
option um which is a very expensive

2513
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:39,199
option. That's the cost figure that you

2514
01:46:39,199 --> 01:46:40,880
cited. U we've had additional

2515
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:42,800
discussions including with um public

2516
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,119
works and parks. Uh we feel that it's

2517
01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:47,920
best to do normal concrete uh which will

2518
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:49,840
give us an easily a 20-y year useful

2519
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,360
life on the tennis courts but be um

2520
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,280
considerably less money. Um in fact post

2521
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:56,880
tension concrete may even be more than

2522
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:59,360
1.2 million. That's just an estimate. Um

2523
01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,600
but this price is for um regular

2524
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:03,600
concrete and not post tension.

2525
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,000
>> And the court would still be able to be

2526
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,719
used for competitive purposes.

2527
01:47:08,719 --> 01:47:10,960
>> Yes. And we also did look at the size um

2528
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:12,480
and you know in order to hold a varsity

2529
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:15,600
high school meet um we need to have the

2530
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:17,760
um there's eight courts there now um

2531
01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:19,679
they need at least six but they

2532
01:47:19,679 --> 01:47:21,600
recommend eight um and I know we've also

2533
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,040
had discussions with the town about

2534
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,360
maybe striping those courts um for

2535
01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:26,800
pickle ball as well at least one of the

2536
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:29,119
courts u but we're working together you

2537
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:31,840
know we this um

2538
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:34,639
you know we're acting quickly to u put

2539
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:36,639
together plans but obviously thoughtful

2540
01:47:36,639 --> 01:47:38,719
plans with with all the stakeholders And

2541
01:47:38,719 --> 01:47:39,920
those are the conversations that we're

2542
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:40,639
having.

2543
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:43,280
>> Thank you, Mr. Myers.

2544
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:44,800
>> Bills,

2545
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:47,920
>> thank you. Through you, will you correct

2546
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:51,119
me if I'm wrong? These all look like

2547
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:53,199
necessary

2548
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:56,719
repairs or additions, the science labs,

2549
01:47:56,719 --> 01:47:59,440
all of that look necessary. And some of

2550
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:03,119
the projects that aren't on here, if I

2551
01:48:03,119 --> 01:48:06,560
understand correctly, on their own might

2552
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,760
qualify for state reimbursement.

2553
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:11,280
Um,

2554
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,840
like maybe the sewer up at the high

2555
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:18,080
school. So, to me, it makes sense not to

2556
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:22,480
use this windfall if we could pay less

2557
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:25,760
for the same project if there's state

2558
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,560
reimbursement for it. Does that make

2559
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,000
sense?

2560
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,679
>> Yes, that that's correct. And you know,

2561
01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:33,920
our capital plan is all funding sources.

2562
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:35,679
So, yes, that's that's taken into

2563
01:48:35,679 --> 01:48:38,880
account um when we made this list, you

2564
01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:40,320
know, is are there other available

2565
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:44,560
funding sources that could be used for projects.

2566
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:48,239
>> Great. Thank you.

2567
01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:51,119
>> Anybody else?

2568
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:55,760
>> Okay. Any issues with this plan?

2569
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:57,840
Okay. Thank you guys.

2570
01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,760
>> Thank you.

2571
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:01,119
>> Right. The next we're going to do is the

2572
01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:02,560
resolution regarding the open space

2573
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,400
preservation because I know we have a

2574
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:06,320
lot of people here. Um so we're going to

2575
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:11,109
skip down to that.

2576
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:12,800
New business number three. Be it

2577
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:15,760
resolved that the town of Vernon acting

2578
01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:19,440
by its town council adopts a resolution

2579
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:23,280
regarding open space preservations.

2580
01:49:23,280 --> 01:49:25,760
Full resolution is stated in new

2581
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:27,760
business number three of the town

2582
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:32,390
council packet provided.

2583
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,280
» Seconded by Laura. All right. So Lou

2584
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,400
here to uh talk about this. So I you

2585
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:39,760
know after everybody came to our last

2586
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:41,840
town council meeting uh one of the

2587
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:46,709
questions I had was um

2588
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:49,360
how do we fix this? Thankfully, we

2589
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:52,480
hadn't we had not it hadn't been put in

2590
01:49:52,480 --> 01:49:55,360
place yet. And I basically said, you

2591
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:56,639
know, we got to do something to look at

2592
01:49:56,639 --> 01:49:59,040
this and and how can we fix it for the

2593
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:01,840
majority of the people. Um,

2594
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:05,520
and almost everyone that this fell under

2595
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:10,159
was a 1982

2596
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:12,239
resolution.

2597
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:15,920
And the resolution basically said that,

2598
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:17,119
you know, you couldn't have any

2599
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:21,280
buildings on the the uh the land, the

2600
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:24,960
actual deed land. So the resolution

2601
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:26,960
tonight is just going to correct that.

2602
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,960
And so there will be no change in the

2603
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:31,040
open space. Lou, you want to come up and

2604
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:41,510
just explain that?

2605
01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:43,280
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the

2606
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:47,119
council. Um, I was asked to uh draft a

2607
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:48,800
resolution that updated.

2608
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:52,239
>> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

2609
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:58,070
>> None of our computers are working.

2610
01:50:58,080 --> 01:50:59,760
» So, we can't see the rest.

2611
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:00,880
>> All right. We're going to take we're

2612
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:02,239
going to take a fivem minute break.

2613
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:03,520
Sorry.

2614
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:05,119
>> Sorry everybody. We got to turn our

2615
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:07,840
computers back.

2616
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,400
>> What a great time to update.

2617
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:11,119
Yeah.

2618
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:31,350
>> All right. Let's see.

2619
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,280
» Hey guys, taking a quick break because

2620
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:34,400
we're going to go make some copies of

2621
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:48,470
this page and at least get this one.

2622
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:49,520
has

2623
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:51,679
>> Oh, she's gonna make

2624
01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:52,400
a computer.

2625
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:54,000
>> Oh, I thought you wanted me out of the

2626
01:51:54,000 --> 01:52:00,790
way.

2627
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:05,270
» Yes.

2628
01:52:05,280 --> 01:52:15,350
Hold on.

2629
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:46,790
» When you

2630
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:56,229
Hi.

2631
01:52:56,239 --> 01:53:05,350
» Yeah, you know you know

2632
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:06,560
Yeah.

2633
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:16,870
>> Yeah.

2634
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:20,000
I've never seen

2635
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:55,910
anyway.

2636
01:53:55,920 --> 01:54:36,629
We're not leaving.

2637
01:54:36,639 --> 01:54:46,950
know what you're doing.

2638
01:54:46,960 --> 01:55:04,470
This

2639
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:29,109
You better

2640
01:55:45,119 --> 01:56:16,950
I didn't hear you.

2641
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:28,709
I am

2642
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:33,910
going.

2643
01:56:33,920 --> 01:57:03,510
Fore

2644
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:08,149
speech.

2645
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:19,510
I try to walk.

2646
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:41,109
All

2647
01:57:41,119 --> 01:58:05,030
right, guys. If you can come back in.

2648
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:06,639
So, while I'm waiting for everybody to

2649
01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:08,159
sit, there was one thing that I did want

2650
01:58:08,159 --> 01:58:10,960
to there's one thing I did want to add

2651
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:14,239
to my notes that I I I missed.

2652
01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:17,280
There is going to be a department of DOT

2653
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:19,599
um

2654
01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:23,280
Zoom call on the 27th.

2655
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:26,080
The state wants to put on our new on

2656
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:27,840
West Street. They want to put center

2657
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,560
line rumble strips

2658
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:33,599
from garden from basically garden uh

2659
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:35,440
street up the road and then on the other

2660
01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:36,800
side of the hill. We're going to put

2661
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,400
more information about that, but anybody

2662
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:41,599
that lives on West Street, um, if you've

2663
01:58:41,599 --> 01:58:44,159
ever heard rumble strips and the amount

2664
01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:45,760
of traffic that goes down there, you may

2665
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:48,880
want to get in on that Zoom.

2666
01:58:48,880 --> 01:58:52,790
>> Yeah.

2667
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:56,719
» Uh, they just want people to wake up

2668
01:58:56,719 --> 01:58:58,080
in the cars, but they're going to wake

2669
01:58:58,080 --> 01:58:59,760
up everybody in the whole

2670
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,480
>> valley. All right, let's keep going.

2671
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:03,840
>> All right, we read the motion and the

2672
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:06,239
motion second. The motion has been read

2673
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:08,400
and the motion has been seconded. Now

2674
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:10,719
we're on to Lou. Go ahead, Lou. Thank

2675
01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:14,239
you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, when I drafted this

2676
01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:20,000
resolution, I tried to uh address uh the

2677
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:22,159
uh sentiment that had been uh conveyed

2678
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:24,960
in uh prior resolutions to this effect,

2679
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:27,840
which is um

2680
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:31,599
excess land over the 4 acres

2681
01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:35,280
uh four acres or more. Um the minimum

2682
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:39,440
lot size in the zones uh would be

2683
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,320
eligible to be preserved uh eligible for

2684
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:45,840
the tax exemption uh for preservation as

2685
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:49,040
farmland, forest land or open space. Uh

2686
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:51,040
that was my understanding was that a

2687
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:53,679
number of these parcels have a house on

2688
01:59:53,679 --> 01:59:56,000
them but then they have a several acres

2689
01:59:56,000 --> 02:00:00,320
of land um that within that parcel. So

2690
02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:02,560
that's what the first paragraph is meant

2691
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,520
to address. Uh the references to the

2692
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:09,199
zones are the same zone references uh

2693
02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:11,840
from the uh resolution that was adopted

2694
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:14,639
back in 1981. So it's my understanding

2695
02:00:14,639 --> 02:00:16,800
this is

2696
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:18,320
the properties that we're talking about

2697
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:21,360
are all within those zones. Um and

2698
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:24,239
further we added uh two specific

2699
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:26,239
properties that have been uh getting

2700
02:00:26,239 --> 02:00:29,040
this exemption historically that aren't

2701
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:31,440
uh residential properties

2702
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:35,920
um to uh so that effectively making them

2703
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:39,280
uh uh remain exempt.

2704
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:43,599
Uh other than that, it it largely tracks

2705
02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:46,800
uh the resolution that we had in place

2706
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:50,639
uh in 1981 that was adopted.

2707
02:00:50,639 --> 02:00:54,719
I'm happy to answer any questions. My my

2708
02:00:54,719 --> 02:00:56,960
understanding was you wanted to preserve

2709
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:00,159
it as much at the current um with with

2710
02:01:00,159 --> 02:01:05,199
the current uh recipients as possible.

2711
02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:07,920
It was it was drafted in that with that

2712
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:09,360
goal in mind.

2713
02:01:09,360 --> 02:01:14,550
>> Right.

2714
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:18,239
» So, I'm assuming listening and reading

2715
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:22,159
the um resolution and the residents that

2716
02:01:22,159 --> 02:01:24,000
came and spoke

2717
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:26,080
>> that this will take care of any of the

2718
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,080
issues they may have.

2719
02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:30,159
>> Most almost everybody here.

2720
02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:34,159
>> Okay. So, maybe what I can I can't

2721
02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:36,480
really request it, but I can maybe ask

2722
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:39,199
just that. And it wouldn't be our our

2723
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:41,760
town attorney, but it would be the

2724
02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:44,239
assessor maybe sending out updated

2725
02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:45,199
letters.

2726
02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:45,679
>> Yes.

2727
02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:47,360
>> Thank you. Okay.

2728
02:01:47,360 --> 02:01:52,709
>> As long as everybody's notified. Thanks.

2729
02:01:52,719 --> 02:01:54,639
» Mike,

2730
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:56,400
you may

2731
02:01:56,400 --> 02:01:58,239
um

2732
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:01,679
So, this is from four acres or more,

2733
02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:04,080
correct? So, Is that how it's written

2734
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:06,000
now?

2735
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:08,880
>> Well, the 1981 resolution

2736
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:10,560
uh

2737
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:13,040
containing four acres, four or more

2738
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:16,000
acres is designated as open space.

2739
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:18,480
>> So, it's it's it's pretty much what it

2740
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:18,800
was.

2741
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:20,639
>> Yeah, it provides some clarification

2742
02:02:20,639 --> 02:02:22,400
that that's the four acres over the

2743
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:24,639
minimum lot size, which is the way it

2744
02:02:24,639 --> 02:02:26,239
was been doing. You've been doing this

2745
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,880
all along anyways, I'm told. So the

2746
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:31,920
original 1982 one basically said land

2747
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:34,800
which has not been built upon. Okay. So

2748
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:37,840
there's no designation of a building and

2749
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:40,159
then you have which is a certain amount

2750
02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:43,520
of land and then four or more acres.

2751
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:46,239
That was not included in the 82.

2752
02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:48,639
This one is the new resolution includes

2753
02:02:48,639 --> 02:02:48,960
it.

2754
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,360
>> Okay. So how do you know how many people

2755
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:53,440
this will affect the increase in their

2756
02:02:53,440 --> 02:02:54,719
taxes?

2757
02:02:54,719 --> 02:02:55,679
>> No.

2758
02:02:55,679 --> 02:02:57,679
>> You have no idea. That's an assessor

2759
02:02:57,679 --> 02:02:58,639
question.

2760
02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:00,080
>> Almost everybody here is going to be

2761
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:03,040
covered. Unless it was a change in in in

2762
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:06,800
your status from the original to today.

2763
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:08,719
You should as long as you had no change

2764
02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:10,800
in the status of the deed or anything

2765
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:12,239
else, you'll be fine.

2766
02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:14,880
>> So, and when they do go to sell, they

2767
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:16,800
lose this,

2768
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:17,840
>> right?

2769
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,639
>> No, I don't. I I believe if it's been

2770
02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:22,880
>> unless there's been a change in use,

2771
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:25,199
>> unless there's been a change, you know,

2772
02:03:25,199 --> 02:03:27,280
if it gets subdivided, if it gets built

2773
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:27,920
upon,

2774
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:29,360
>> yeah, it can be revisited. But

2775
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:31,360
otherwise, would they have to pay back

2776
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:33,840
taxes if they do that?

2777
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:34,880
>> I don't believe so.

2778
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,440
>> No, I don't.

2779
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:41,189
>> If it's sold,

2780
02:03:41,199 --> 02:03:43,119
» it's governed by state statute.

2781
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:44,880
>> If they subdivide it, whatever, whatever

2782
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:47,199
they do, do they have to pay back? You

2783
02:03:47,199 --> 02:03:48,560
know, that's not even part of the the

2784
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:49,520
concern right now, Mike.

2785
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:50,159
>> Okay. I was just

2786
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:51,360
>> You got to stick to what we're talking

2787
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:52,719
about and that's outside of what we're

2788
02:03:52,719 --> 02:03:54,320
talking about. Everybody here that has

2789
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:56,480
that open space land knows exactly as

2790
02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:58,080
long as they keep it the way it is,

2791
02:03:58,080 --> 02:03:59,119
their taxes,

2792
02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:01,280
>> okay, are set under open space.

2793
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:04,320
>> All right. Thank you, Bill.

2794
02:04:04,320 --> 02:04:06,719
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh that at the

2795
02:04:06,719 --> 02:04:08,719
risk of being told, asked, and answered,

2796
02:04:08,719 --> 02:04:10,400
I just want to put a finer point on

2797
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:13,679
this. The intent of this is to protect

2798
02:04:13,679 --> 02:04:15,920
the current status of all the people who

2799
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:20,320
have 490 status and your opinion, your

2800
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:22,159
legal opinion is that it does in fact

2801
02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:23,599
accomplish that.

2802
02:04:23,599 --> 02:04:25,440
>> Yes. And those are my specific

2803
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:27,280
instructions that were given to me when

2804
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:27,840
it

2805
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:29,440
>> but it's it doesn't because there were

2806
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:30,880
some commercial properties that were

2807
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:33,840
given this that are not covered.

2808
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:35,119
>> Okay. All right.

2809
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:36,239
>> You never should have got it in the

2810
02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:36,719
first place.

2811
02:04:36,719 --> 02:04:38,719
>> I understand. Okay. This the second part

2812
02:04:38,719 --> 02:04:43,040
of my question is in the um

2813
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:45,760
third to last paragraph

2814
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:49,920
the last full line it says these these

2815
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:52,639
properties are the listed properties are

2816
02:04:52,639 --> 02:04:54,800
hereby designated open space land and

2817
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:56,960
may be classified as such by the Vernon

2818
02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:59,040
town assessor. I was struck by the word

2819
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:01,760
may. It appears to give the assessor

2820
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:04,560
discretion here. Was that the intent?

2821
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:07,040
Should that say shall instead? I'm

2822
02:05:07,040 --> 02:05:09,280
sorry. Where where are you? Uh

2823
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:12,239
>> third to last paragraph

2824
02:05:12,239 --> 02:05:14,639
open space land and may be classified as

2825
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:16,719
such by town assessor.

2826
02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:17,599
>> Yeah.

2827
02:05:17,599 --> 02:05:19,199
>> Is it the paragraph that begins with

2828
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:20,560
further?

2829
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:21,760
>> Yes. Yes.

2830
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:25,990
>> Further the excess land

2831
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:28,560
» designates the additional

2832
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:29,840
partial by address.

2833
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:32,880
>> But these with this change these are

2834
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:35,199
already classified as open space.

2835
02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:36,639
>> Okay. All right.

2836
02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:38,800
>> This what I'm getting at is does this

2837
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,840
paragraph give the assessor discretion

2838
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:46,550
to remove that classification?

2839
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:48,080
» It's the same as the current one we

2840
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:50,000
have.

2841
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:52,800
>> That's took away the one piece

2842
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:54,639
>> that created the issue for everybody.

2843
02:05:54,639 --> 02:05:56,159
>> I understand. Okay.

2844
02:05:56,159 --> 02:05:58,719
So

2845
02:05:58,719 --> 02:06:00,880
>> having having come to this job from the

2846
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:04,239
proposals from the proposals game I'm

2847
02:06:04,239 --> 02:06:06,000
sensitive to the difference between bay

2848
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:06,719
and sha

2849
02:06:06,719 --> 02:06:08,080
>> right that's the reason I asked the

2850
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:10,880
question right thank you

2851
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:14,000
>> thank you mayor so couple questions so

2852
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:17,119
um it's almost what he said but I I be

2853
02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:18,639
made because child is too strong a

2854
02:06:18,639 --> 02:06:20,719
language for sess to have that kind of

2855
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:24,320
authority right and so along with that

2856
02:06:24,320 --> 02:06:28,400
what will change that made this all

2857
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:30,560
happen like this all this

2858
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:33,040
>> explain that it was the building that

2859
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:38,800
can't be built upon so essentially the 1982 one said you can't build upon

2860
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,679
it okay on that deed property

2861
02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:43,679
>> right we took away that that portion

2862
02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:45,360
that talked about the deed and it's

2863
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:47,760
broke down by you have to I think it's

2864
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:49,280
62

2865
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:51,440
is it 26

2866
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:52,800
there's a certain acreage that you have

2867
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:54,719
to have around the

2868
02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:57,920
And then four acres

2869
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:02,159
is included. Okay. So we took away the

2870
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:06,560
built upon on this right here

2871
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:09,599
and the assessor has accepted that as

2872
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:12,079
this is going to solve the issue

2873
02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:14,960
>> and that's what caused some of the

2874
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:16,800
people here to receive that letter where

2875
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,000
they shouldn't. Is that why I'm just

2876
02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:18,239
asking?

2877
02:07:18,239 --> 02:07:19,520
>> Well, the people received a letter under

2878
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:23,119
that old the old one. This new one

2879
02:07:23,119 --> 02:07:26,480
will never it will not be taken away.

2880
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,320
>> So with this language we're going to

2881
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:30,880
preserve and there was no impact to the

2882
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:34,000
folks that do it. So thank you on that.

2883
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:38,079
But how can do we prevent this from

2884
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:40,400
let's say five years from now when we do

2885
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,280
reassess again from happening again

2886
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:46,079
because we already have this in in the

2887
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:51,199
rule already. I would recommend that uh

2888
02:07:51,199 --> 02:07:54,560
the PA490 uh issue be more directly

2889
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:56,239
addressed in the next plan of

2890
02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:58,719
conservation and development when you

2891
02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:00,800
when that's I believe it's done every 10

2892
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,199
years.

2893
02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:05,920
>> I'm not sure I understand

2894
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:07,679
conservation development that basically

2895
02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:09,119
talks about all of our open land and

2896
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:09,840
everything

2897
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:11,760
>> and it has to be this has to be directly

2898
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:15,119
addressed within that. Um, so we are

2899
02:08:15,119 --> 02:08:17,119
solving the issue and when we do the

2900
02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:18,639
next planning, conservation and

2901
02:08:18,639 --> 02:08:20,079
development, we're going to fix it

2902
02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:21,199
permanently in that.

2903
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:23,679
>> Okay. So that this will go into their

2904
02:08:23,679 --> 02:08:25,760
incorporated. So that would never it

2905
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:26,639
shouldn't happen.

2906
02:08:26,639 --> 02:08:28,400
>> Should

2907
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:33,030
thank you.

2908
02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:36,239
» Do you want to ask you a question? This

2909
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:39,199
is u, you know, from a resident uh that

2910
02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:41,440
actually has this going out the PA uh

2911
02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:44,079
PA490. I want to specifically a question

2912
02:08:44,079 --> 02:08:45,679
that he said so I can get a direct

2913
02:08:45,679 --> 02:08:49,040
answer from you or you may. This letter

2914
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:52,159
only mentions PA490 open space but does

2915
02:08:52,159 --> 02:08:55,920
not mention anything about PA490 forest

2916
02:08:55,920 --> 02:09:01,440
land or PA490 farmland properties that

2917
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:04,239
have been impacted. Does this I know you

2918
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:06,719
said all I'm going to just hear it. Is

2919
02:09:06,719 --> 02:09:08,719
it all what the three that I just

2920
02:09:08,719 --> 02:09:11,760
mentioned? Is it going to stay what it

2921
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:13,920
was before this came up?

2922
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:15,920
>> Right. You read the the paper in front

2923
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:20,239
of you under it where it says pursuit.

2924
02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:22,239
All farmland, forest land, and open

2925
02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:25,280
space which contains four or more acres

2926
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:28,560
of excess land in zones R10, R15, R22,

2927
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:30,960
R27, R40 is hereby designated as open

2928
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:32,880
space land and may be classif by the

2929
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:36,320
burn town assessor.

2930
02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:38,880
So, it's talking about all three. Again,

2931
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:40,800
these are everybody that has this

2932
02:09:40,800 --> 02:09:44,320
designation that has not had any changes

2933
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:49,910
um since it was designated.

2934
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:52,960
» Thank you, Mory.

2935
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:55,119
>> Thank you. Clarification for the last

2936
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:58,079
paragraph. Um it says all land

2937
02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:00,239
classified as open space by the burning

2938
02:10:00,239 --> 02:10:03,199
town assessor shall be removed from the

2939
02:10:03,199 --> 02:10:05,520
open space classification and the

2940
02:10:05,520 --> 02:10:07,440
convenience paid as required by the

2941
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:11,119
Connecticut gender stack 12-504A

2942
02:10:11,119 --> 02:10:15,280
and 12-504 C following the approval.

2943
02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:17,599
Oh, is that a subdivision or redivision

2944
02:10:17,599 --> 02:10:19,760
of the plan development that they have

2945
02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:21,199
to reapply?

2946
02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:22,560
>> There's changes.

2947
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:24,960
>> So this is if they change it.

2948
02:10:24,960 --> 02:10:27,280
>> Yeah.

2949
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:28,320
only if they change it,

2950
02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:28,960
>> right?

2951
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:30,719
>> Correct.

2952
02:10:30,719 --> 02:10:32,480
So, if you take your open space and you

2953
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:34,000
basically say, you know what, I'm not

2954
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:35,199
going to do this. I'm going to subdivide

2955
02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:36,639
it.

2956
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:37,679
>> They have to reapply.

2957
02:10:37,679 --> 02:10:39,280
>> Right. So, they're going to build on it

2958
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:39,920
essentially.

2959
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:42,320
>> And I believe those two statutes may

2960
02:10:42,320 --> 02:10:44,960
address uh Councilman Wendis's question

2961
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:47,119
about do you have to pay some

2962
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:50,159
retroactive tax back? It's governed by

2963
02:10:50,159 --> 02:10:55,350
those two statutes. Yeah.

2964
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:57,119
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2965
02:10:57,119 --> 02:11:00,239
>> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um,

2966
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:02,800
Mr. Spetti, I have a question regarding

2967
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:06,159
uh 44 snips extreme.

2968
02:11:06,159 --> 02:11:07,760
Understanding that my background and

2969
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:11,840
expertise is not in town um assessment.

2970
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:14,320
However, when I go online and I look up

2971
02:11:14,320 --> 02:11:18,560
44 Snipic Street on the GIS system on on

2972
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:20,719
the internet, it's telling me that there

2973
02:11:20,719 --> 02:11:25,119
is 1.35 acres identified as commercial

2974
02:11:25,119 --> 02:11:28,639
and 10 acres of open space.

2975
02:11:28,639 --> 02:11:30,079
>> There's two exemptions that we're

2976
02:11:30,079 --> 02:11:32,560
looking for on this that are already on

2977
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:34,960
the list. One is the Fishing Game Club

2978
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:36,719
and the this is other one's the Italian

2979
02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:39,199
club. And the reason that we wanted that

2980
02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:41,360
we wanted the fish and game club is

2981
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:42,800
because the police department has a

2982
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:44,639
range on there that we get to use for

2983
02:11:44,639 --> 02:11:45,679
free

2984
02:11:45,679 --> 02:11:48,000
>> and because we're doing one club we want

2985
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:49,440
to go with both clubs.

2986
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:50,239
>> Understood.

2987
02:11:50,239 --> 02:11:50,719
>> Right.

2988
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:54,400
>> Understood. So my question is are there

2989
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:56,560
other commercial sites in the town of

2990
02:11:56,560 --> 02:12:00,159
Vernon that have in excess of 4 acres

2991
02:12:00,159 --> 02:12:02,000
that are not included in this

2992
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:03,760
resolution?

2993
02:12:03,760 --> 02:12:05,199
>> I have no idea.

2994
02:12:05,199 --> 02:12:06,719
>> Yes.

2995
02:12:06,719 --> 02:12:08,639
So, the mayor says yes.

2996
02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:15,189
>> All right. Thank you.

2997
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:17,360
» Jeremy,

2998
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:21,440
thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um

2999
02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:27,280
my sense is that um not every property

3000
02:12:27,280 --> 02:12:31,840
owner who um has an interest in open

3001
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:33,360
land

3002
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:35,599
um has received a letter from the

3003
02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:37,920
assessor's office. Not every property

3004
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:40,560
owner has seen and studied this

3005
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:42,239
resolution

3006
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:45,360
and there is a great deal of confusion

3007
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,719
about the meaning of the uh of the

3008
02:12:48,719 --> 02:12:52,239
resolution and the meaning of the

3009
02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:55,440
assessor's letter. Um I would like to

3010
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:58,639
move that this resolution be taped.

3011
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:00,079
>> If you do that, you're going to go past

3012
02:13:00,079 --> 02:13:02,560
October 1st and you can't go past

3013
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:04,079
October 1st.

3014
02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:05,520
>> I'll finish my sentence.

3015
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:09,440
>> Okay. uh that the resolution be tabled

3016
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:12,560
and that uh and that no change be made

3017
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:15,840
in the status of these properties uh for

3018
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,320
a period, let's say, of one year. so

3019
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:21,280
that we can uh sort this out with

3020
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:24,320
language that's comprehensible to uh

3021
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:28,560
everyone involved and uh and that we can

3022
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:32,960
uh put on the books and uh and uh and

3023
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:35,840
give uh property owners uh some

3024
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:38,800
assurance while also assuring the town

3025
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:42,079
collects the revenue it's due.

3026
02:13:42,079 --> 02:13:45,520
Can we just tell the assessor that we're

3027
02:13:45,520 --> 02:13:48,239
going to ignore what you're saying and

3028
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:50,480
we're going to tell you to not do not do

3029
02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:52,639
this without a resolution?

3030
02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:56,639
>> Yeah, I I I would caution against uh

3031
02:13:56,639 --> 02:13:59,760
ruling the assessor on the I I think you

3032
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:03,679
need to address the issue. Uh

3033
02:14:03,679 --> 02:14:05,840
>> address finish your sentence, please.

3034
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:06,719
>> Address the issue.

3035
02:14:06,719 --> 02:14:09,679
>> Address Well, I think if you're going to

3036
02:14:09,679 --> 02:14:11,679
put a polic in place. I think you need

3037
02:14:11,679 --> 02:14:16,079
to put a policy in place, but well, I

3038
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:17,760
suppose a resolution could be passed

3039
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:19,840
saying everybody who's presently exempt

3040
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:21,679
can stay exempt.

3041
02:14:21,679 --> 02:14:23,760
>> Precisely. That's the resolution.

3042
02:14:23,760 --> 02:14:27,679
>> If there's no change, of course. What

3043
02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:28,560
you're going to do is you're going to

3044
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:30,079
take commercial properties that should

3045
02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:32,000
never have gotten it

3046
02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:34,880
>> and you're going to leave them on there.

3047
02:14:34,880 --> 02:14:37,199
Well, for a year until we uh until we

3048
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:39,199
sort out uh better and more

3049
02:14:39,199 --> 02:14:40,239
comprehensive language.

3050
02:14:40,239 --> 02:14:43,360
>> Okay. And then a year if it hasn't been

3051
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:46,079
sorted out,

3052
02:14:46,079 --> 02:14:47,679
we we have a whole group of people here

3053
02:14:47,679 --> 02:14:48,639
that want to make sure they're

3054
02:14:48,639 --> 02:14:50,719
reassured. If nobody got a letter, if

3055
02:14:50,719 --> 02:14:52,560
you did not get a letter from the

3056
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:54,800
assess, you're fine.

3057
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:56,639
Then you're land if you didn't get a

3058
02:14:56,639 --> 02:14:58,560
letter, you're you're perfectly good.

3059
02:14:58,560 --> 02:15:00,000
And if you didn't get a letter, you're

3060
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,480
good for the next five years.

3061
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:05,679
Okay. But If you do not have on on

3062
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:07,840
Adidas section of property, if you do

3063
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:10,159
not have a building on there, then

3064
02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:12,400
you're fine.

3065
02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:15,520
Okay. But, um, I understand what you're

3066
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:17,760
saying, but there's other issues that

3067
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:19,599
apply here,

3068
02:15:19,599 --> 02:15:22,079
um, that have to be resolved. This is

3069
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:24,960
the the solution that that probably is

3070
02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:26,719
the best for almost every single person

3071
02:15:26,719 --> 02:15:29,280
sitting in this room.

3072
02:15:29,280 --> 02:15:32,239
Um,

3073
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:35,440
so I Guess I would like to put forward

3074
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:39,199
revolution a revolution

3075
02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:41,280
a uh

3076
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:43,599
put forward a a motion that the

3077
02:15:43,599 --> 02:15:47,119
resolution be tabled and that uh with

3078
02:15:47,119 --> 02:15:51,760
the understanding that uh no uh change

3079
02:15:51,760 --> 02:15:53,840
in their status.

3080
02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:56,159
>> You have to make a motion

3081
02:15:56,159 --> 02:16:00,079
to Yeah, I know. You have to make a

3082
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:04,000
motion to say that not table this.

3083
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:05,520
You're going to make a motion that we

3084
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:08,639
just everything stays the same and and

3085
02:16:08,639 --> 02:16:10,960
that we're not going to do it this way.

3086
02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:13,280
Okay. You can't make a motion to table

3087
02:16:13,280 --> 02:16:15,199
because once you make a motion to table

3088
02:16:15,199 --> 02:16:18,480
this subject is done.

3089
02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:21,199
>> Good point.

3090
02:16:21,199 --> 02:16:22,719
And then all these people are not going

3091
02:16:22,719 --> 02:16:24,400
to be happy with you.

3092
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:27,360
>> Uh I'm not sure about that. The the idea

3093
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:29,599
is to make these people happy.

3094
02:16:29,599 --> 02:16:31,360
>> Well, if you table it, if you table

3095
02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:39,429
this, they will not be happy with you.

3096
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:42,960
» I would like a motion would be amend the

3097
02:16:42,960 --> 02:16:48,629
emotion.

3098
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:51,359
» So, I'd like to make a motion to uh to

3099
02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:55,840
uh maintain current uh PA490 status for

3100
02:16:55,840 --> 02:17:02,399
one year while the town can uh uh can

3101
02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:06,559
create a uh greater clarity on this uh

3102
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:09,920
on this matter. I'm uh very concerned

3103
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:13,040
about the property owners and I'm very

3104
02:17:13,040 --> 02:17:16,000
concerned about the town. I want the I

3105
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:17,840
want the town to receive the revenue

3106
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:21,200
it's due. I want the property owners to

3107
02:17:21,200 --> 02:17:26,160
have confidence and uh and not to have a

3108
02:17:26,160 --> 02:17:27,840
u

3109
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:31,359
a sudden change in status.

3110
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:31,920
>> Second.

3111
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:33,519
>> That is why I make the motion.

3112
02:17:33,519 --> 02:17:38,790
>> Second by

3113
02:17:38,800 --> 02:17:43,280
» if we do anything with this at all. We

3114
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:46,399
are left with the same decision that the

3115
02:17:46,399 --> 02:17:49,120
assessor made on every single person's

3116
02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:53,760
property. You cannot direct him

3117
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:57,439
to take something off the assessor's

3118
02:17:57,439 --> 02:18:00,880
grand list if he's going by the

3119
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:02,639
resolutions,

3120
02:18:02,639 --> 02:18:07,359
the POC we have in place, any of the

3121
02:18:07,359 --> 02:18:10,800
legislation he has, state legislation,

3122
02:18:10,800 --> 02:18:13,359
statutes, and everything.

3123
02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:16,559
This resolution will help this. The only

3124
02:18:16,559 --> 02:18:18,399
thing this isn't going to do for

3125
02:18:18,399 --> 02:18:21,599
somebody is if they transferred and

3126
02:18:21,599 --> 02:18:23,840
there's a possibility there's one person

3127
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:26,559
I know that this happened to if there

3128
02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:29,439
was a deed transfer and it could be a

3129
02:18:29,439 --> 02:18:31,519
quick claim

3130
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:34,240
or removing somebody off, but if that

3131
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:38,319
may cause it, it may trigger it. So that

3132
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:42,000
way there we do though ask what we need

3133
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,960
to do next. I don't know if it would go

3134
02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:47,760
as far as doing everything. It's the

3135
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:49,280
only thing that I can think that would

3136
02:18:49,280 --> 02:18:51,439
do it. Otherwise, this is going to take

3137
02:18:51,439 --> 02:18:55,200
care of a good majority of everybody.

3138
02:18:55,200 --> 02:18:59,439
Um, as a retired assessor,

3139
02:18:59,439 --> 02:19:01,920
we we you come across things we're

3140
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:05,439
doing. We're in a reval year.

3141
02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:07,599
This is when things get picked up,

3142
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:12,240
errors. The 2021 PC that missed it. this

3143
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:16,880
other resolution back in what 1982

3144
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:19,200
that actually

3145
02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:20,719
all of these people were probably

3146
02:19:20,719 --> 02:19:22,399
getting the 490 and shouldn't have

3147
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:24,880
because there was a building that was on

3148
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:27,359
the property and that one wanted it

3149
02:19:27,359 --> 02:19:31,120
split off the property that resolution.

3150
02:19:31,120 --> 02:19:33,439
So

3151
02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:35,359
I've had a couple of people look at it.

3152
02:19:35,359 --> 02:19:38,160
They've had assessors look at it and

3153
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:40,800
there they said this is going to res

3154
02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:45,679
Yeah, this resolution will be the fix.

3155
02:19:45,679 --> 02:19:48,000
>> Bernie, you're up.

3156
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:49,760
>> Another specific question that came

3157
02:19:49,760 --> 02:19:52,479
across me um in kind of reading this, it

3158
02:19:52,479 --> 02:19:55,200
says um access land from the town

3159
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:57,760
assessor u from open space land. Let me

3160
02:19:57,760 --> 02:20:00,240
be very specific again please, attorney.

3161
02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:03,280
It says it will be open space. Does that

3162
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:06,560
mean that forest land becomes open space

3163
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:13,590
specifically?

3164
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:15,920
» Farmland, forest land, and open space

3165
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:18,000
are different classifications under the

3166
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:19,600
statutes,

3167
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:22,160
different descriptions of three talked

3168
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:24,479
about. Yes, I understand.

3169
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:25,920
>> But well, they're different tax rates,

3170
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,640
too.

3171
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:33,200
>> I understand. But uh in that question,

3172
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:34,960
It's

3173
02:20:34,960 --> 02:20:36,880
if it to me if it was all the same it

3174
02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:39,120
would just say all one line but they're

3175
02:20:39,120 --> 02:20:40,720
specifying three different ones which

3176
02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:42,240
you guys already said it will stay the

3177
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:44,479
same but it does not specifically say

3178
02:20:44,479 --> 02:20:48,080
here that open space um means that

3179
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:50,800
forest land excuse me does uh forest

3180
02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:53,120
land becomes open space that that is the

3181
02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:55,120
question I'm just asking for

3182
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:57,760
clarification

3183
02:20:57,760 --> 02:21:01,670
but forest land will be forest

3184
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:06,870
which is under the open space rules.

3185
02:21:06,880 --> 02:21:10,240
The language in the resolution tracks

3186
02:21:10,240 --> 02:21:13,680
uh 12-107

3187
02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:16,399
uh which creates this

3188
02:21:16,399 --> 02:21:20,160
uh which is essentially codified as well

3189
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:24,560
PA490 is codified as 12-107

3190
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:26,399
and these are the exact words out of the

3191
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:30,790
statute.

3192
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:33,920
» Okay. All right. I'll stop right there.

3193
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:36,479
That's the best one. Okay. Thank you.

3194
02:21:36,479 --> 02:21:38,880
>> Let's have a couple questions for

3195
02:21:38,880 --> 02:21:42,640
clarity. Um it it would be helpful to

3196
02:21:42,640 --> 02:21:48,720
see the former resolution. Um number

3197
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:52,479
one, and for all the property owners to

3198
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:55,600
have seen this in advance, um they have

3199
02:21:55,600 --> 02:21:58,960
an understanding and experience beyond

3200
02:21:58,960 --> 02:22:02,720
what we have. Um, so I I'm disappointed

3201
02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:05,200
that they did not get this in advance.

3202
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:08,720
In fact, I was um told earlier this

3203
02:22:08,720 --> 02:22:10,720
evening that someone requested it and

3204
02:22:10,720 --> 02:22:13,439
they were told no, they they couldn't

3205
02:22:13,439 --> 02:22:18,720
have it before the meeting. Um, I

3206
02:22:18,720 --> 02:22:21,200
believe that there are

3207
02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:25,359
people who were told that they were

3208
02:22:25,359 --> 02:22:27,600
going to lose their status but didn't

3209
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:30,960
necessarily get a letter.

3210
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:34,240
And there are people who are affected by

3211
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:38,560
this who can't be here tonight to air

3212
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:42,720
their concerns. Um,

3213
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:45,040
and I understand the October one

3214
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:49,120
deadline, but I don't understand why we

3215
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:52,399
can't just go on with

3216
02:22:52,399 --> 02:22:54,080
the

3217
02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:57,040
resolution previously. And I know

3218
02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:58,960
there's the problem with the the

3219
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:00,319
commercial

3220
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:03,840
Um, but

3221
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:06,880
it it just feels like we're rushing this

3222
02:23:06,880 --> 02:23:10,160
with lots of questions from us and from

3223
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:13,520
the property owners. Uh, one person who

3224
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:15,760
didn't get that letter was told, "You're

3225
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:18,720
going to owe back taxes." And then

3226
02:23:18,720 --> 02:23:20,160
they've not gotten the letter. They're

3227
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:22,080
not going to leave here tonight if we

3228
02:23:22,080 --> 02:23:26,960
pass this feeling like they are going to

3229
02:23:26,960 --> 02:23:31,110
continue with their PA.

3230
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:36,960
So that's why I support postponing

3231
02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:39,280
and yeah maybe some commercial people

3232
02:23:39,280 --> 02:23:40,800
won't

3233
02:23:40,800 --> 02:23:44,560
get taxed. It's just one more year until

3234
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:49,359
we are sure. Uh I wonder with the state

3235
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:53,280
statutes, there's some court cases.

3236
02:23:53,280 --> 02:23:56,960
Partly I wonder why do we need this if

3237
02:23:56,960 --> 02:24:01,920
there's state law and and court law that

3238
02:24:01,920 --> 02:24:05,600
already identifies this? Um I see the

3239
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:07,760
value in in adding, you know, the fish

3240
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:10,880
and game. Um that's a real benefit to

3241
02:24:10,880 --> 02:24:13,920
the town, but

3242
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:16,640
adding the Italian club make me wonder

3243
02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:18,640
about the other clubs that may or may

3244
02:24:18,640 --> 02:24:24,000
not have land. So, I I don't like the

3245
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:26,000
idea of saying

3246
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:27,920
I have no problem with the Italian club

3247
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:30,720
or giving them this, but what if there's

3248
02:24:30,720 --> 02:24:32,399
another club in town?

3249
02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:35,280
>> There's We had the list. There's not

3250
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:38,080
>> none of them have

3251
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:40,399
no none of them open space.

3252
02:24:40,399 --> 02:24:42,560
>> All right. But I I just feel like the

3253
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:44,720
residents in particular, but also the

3254
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:48,960
town council members need to really

3255
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:53,200
understand this. Um, and

3256
02:24:53,200 --> 02:24:54,880
I think some people are getting mixed

3257
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:57,600
messages. Uh, Bill brought up that

3258
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:00,319
question of may or shall.

3259
02:25:00,319 --> 02:25:02,880
I have a problem saying to the assessor,

3260
02:25:02,880 --> 02:25:04,960
you may do this. Hold on a second.

3261
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:05,600
>> Yeah.

3262
02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:07,439
>> Need a motion to extend curfew till

3263
02:25:07,439 --> 02:25:09,280
we're done.

3264
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:12,160
>> Motion to extend curfew till we're done.

3265
02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:12,640
>> Second.

3266
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:16,479
>> Seconded by Mike. All those in favor?

3267
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:20,240
>> Curfew. Extending curfew. Unanimous.

3268
02:25:20,240 --> 02:25:21,760
>> All right. Keep going, Phil. Sorry.

3269
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:24,960
>> So, no, that had to be done.

3270
02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:26,479
Um,

3271
02:25:26,479 --> 02:25:28,479
the bottom line, I think we're all in

3272
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:31,040
the same place, is that we want the

3273
02:25:31,040 --> 02:25:33,600
residents that currently

3274
02:25:33,600 --> 02:25:36,720
legally have the right to the

3275
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:39,520
designation under PA490.

3276
02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:42,479
That's where we all are. Number of the

3277
02:25:42,479 --> 02:25:44,319
people sitting here tonight have asked

3278
02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:48,399
us to put it off because

3279
02:25:48,399 --> 02:25:51,280
they're confused. They're not sure if

3280
02:25:51,280 --> 02:25:54,080
they're covered. um given the

3281
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:56,240
communication they've had and they

3282
02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:59,359
haven't seen this. I'd also like to see

3283
02:25:59,359 --> 02:26:02,319
the changes between that just like I do

3284
02:26:02,319 --> 02:26:05,120
with contracts that we approve to see

3285
02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:09,359
the change from the original resolution

3286
02:26:09,359 --> 02:26:11,680
and the new one

3287
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:13,760
and also like I said an understanding if

3288
02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:15,840
it's state statute

3289
02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:18,880
um and I know uh Mr. Wernner has you

3290
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:22,800
know researched and there is uh case

3291
02:26:22,800 --> 02:26:25,439
law.

3292
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:28,479
I don't I I guess I don't understand.

3293
02:26:28,479 --> 02:26:29,840
>> So, the object is getting this done

3294
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:31,280
before October 1st and none of these

3295
02:26:31,280 --> 02:26:33,680
people lose it. I mean, unless you had a

3296
02:26:33,680 --> 02:26:37,920
there's one person out there that that we're not going to be able to to

3297
02:26:37,920 --> 02:26:38,399
fix,

3298
02:26:38,399 --> 02:26:38,800
>> right?

3299
02:26:38,800 --> 02:26:43,040
>> Um and sadly, but what I'm saying is is

3300
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:44,880
that you're going to just have them go

3301
02:26:44,880 --> 02:26:46,319
through this again in the year,

3302
02:26:46,319 --> 02:26:49,200
>> right? But that would give us time. I

3303
02:26:49,200 --> 02:26:50,160
don't like making

3304
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:52,080
>> it's not you given time. I Essentially,

3305
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:54,240
this is up to the town attorney and the

3306
02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:56,000
assessor coming up with an idea to solve

3307
02:26:56,000 --> 02:26:58,479
this. And we did.

3308
02:26:58,479 --> 02:27:01,040
>> I understand that, but I don't

3309
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:03,600
understand all of this. They've not seen

3310
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:06,800
it, so clearly they don't understand it.

3311
02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:10,319
Um, and there are some mixed messages

3312
02:27:10,319 --> 02:27:15,120
that some of them are getting. So

3313
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:17,439
I I just don't understand why putting

3314
02:27:17,439 --> 02:27:19,680
this off for a year with language that

3315
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:24,560
says nobody loses their designation for

3316
02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:28,160
a year which would give us time to make

3317
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:30,960
sure that we are in line with state

3318
02:27:30,960 --> 02:27:34,399
statute with court cases

3319
02:27:34,399 --> 02:27:37,680
and we honor and respect I mean over 100

3320
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:43,520
years of property. Um I just

3321
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:47,439
feel rushed with it.

3322
02:27:47,439 --> 02:27:50,160
>> I And I don't want that word may to come

3323
02:27:50,160 --> 02:27:51,120
back and bite us.

3324
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:52,880
>> Well, that's that's in the old one, too.

3325
02:27:52,880 --> 02:27:55,520
I mean, you have to meet all the

3326
02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:57,680
requirements.

3327
02:27:57,680 --> 02:28:00,560
And by changing this,

3328
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:01,920
everybody out there meets the

3329
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:05,040
requirements. There was just one change

3330
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:07,359
over the over one property that I know

3331
02:28:07,359 --> 02:28:10,560
of. But many people, number of people

3332
02:28:10,560 --> 02:28:13,040
were told, you have lost that

3333
02:28:13,040 --> 02:28:16,080
designation or you've got to get a

3334
02:28:16,080 --> 02:28:18,319
surveyor, you've got to get a lawyer,

3335
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:20,319
you've got to start all over and prove

3336
02:28:20,319 --> 02:28:21,600
it. Which

3337
02:28:21,600 --> 02:28:23,120
>> and that's why and that's why we're here

3338
02:28:23,120 --> 02:28:24,960
to fix that tonight.

3339
02:28:24,960 --> 02:28:26,399
>> Right.

3340
02:28:26,399 --> 02:28:28,800
>> But this wording,

3341
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:30,319
>> I understand what you're saying.

3342
02:28:30,319 --> 02:28:31,200
>> Right.

3343
02:28:31,200 --> 02:28:32,720
>> But you know what? We we've gone through

3344
02:28:32,720 --> 02:28:34,880
the list and and there have been no

3345
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:36,720
changes to most of these almost all of

3346
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:38,479
these properties, right? None.

3347
02:28:38,479 --> 02:28:41,120
>> The only thing is was it built upon? Is

3348
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:42,880
there a house on that property under

3349
02:28:42,880 --> 02:28:45,040
that deed? And because that was built

3350
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:47,120
upon, it doesn't fall under the old one.

3351
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:49,120
We changed the wording. So, if you have

3352
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:51,120
a piece of property that has no

3353
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:53,120
buildings on it and it's designated as

3354
02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:55,359
open space and you lost nothing, then

3355
02:28:55,359 --> 02:28:57,120
you're fine.

3356
02:28:57,120 --> 02:29:00,080
Okay. Under the resolution, if you have

3357
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:02,560
a piece of property that has a has has

3358
02:29:02,560 --> 02:29:05,760
been built upon and it fall and it has

3359
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:08,560
that that that small section that has to

3360
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:10,240
be cut out for that and you have more

3361
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:13,840
than four acres, this this change, just

3362
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:16,479
this little resolution

3363
02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:18,880
fixes the issue with the assessor, which

3364
02:29:18,880 --> 02:29:20,960
means

3365
02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:22,479
if that's the only thing that happened

3366
02:29:22,479 --> 02:29:23,760
out here, none of these people are going

3367
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:26,000
to lose anything.

3368
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:27,520
This was the issue with the assessor

3369
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:31,040
right here and and it's been taken care

3370
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:33,359
of. That's

3371
02:29:33,359 --> 02:29:35,680
we brought him in and said what is the

3372
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:38,800
problem? And it was this this agreement

3373
02:29:38,800 --> 02:29:43,040
way back in 1982 and we changed we're

3374
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:44,720
changing the agreement because as a

3375
02:29:44,720 --> 02:29:47,200
council we can change that resolution.

3376
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:49,600
at that little piece for anybody out

3377
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:51,040
there that got the letter that has a

3378
02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,280
house on the same deed where you are or

3379
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:55,359
buildings. That's what they're talking

3380
02:29:55,359 --> 02:29:56,560
about.

3381
02:29:56,560 --> 02:29:58,880
>> So

3382
02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:02,560
maybe Lou could explain what the change

3383
02:30:02,560 --> 02:30:04,319
is.

3384
02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:05,680
>> Go ahead.

3385
02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:07,439
>> Because we don't have the old one in

3386
02:30:07,439 --> 02:30:10,160
front of us.

3387
02:30:10,160 --> 02:30:15,200
Well, the the changes uh the first

3388
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:17,520
paragraph of the resolution uh which

3389
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:20,880
starts with pursuant to uh that

3390
02:30:20,880 --> 02:30:24,240
identifies the same statute and the same

3391
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:30,560
zones. It clarifies that um it's four or

3392
02:30:30,560 --> 02:30:32,479
the parcels that qualify for this are

3393
02:30:32,479 --> 02:30:35,680
four or more acres of excess land which

3394
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:39,600
was not clear in the uh 1981

3395
02:30:39,600 --> 02:30:42,720
resolution. Um, excess land is defined

3396
02:30:42,720 --> 02:30:46,479
as the contiguous undeveloped portion of

3397
02:30:46,479 --> 02:30:50,080
a lot above and beyond the minimum lot

3398
02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:53,439
area required for the zoning district

3399
02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:56,160
which the parcel is in. So that that

3400
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:59,920
language was added from the 1981

3401
02:30:59,920 --> 02:31:04,880
resolution to account for uh many of

3402
02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:06,960
these parcels, my understanding, have a

3403
02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:10,080
house on them uh and are developed, but

3404
02:31:10,080 --> 02:31:13,359
they have excess land around it and

3405
02:31:13,359 --> 02:31:16,720
that's that's what's meant to be exempt.

3406
02:31:16,720 --> 02:31:19,840
So those are the changes in the first

3407
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:21,040
paragraph.

3408
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:25,760
>> So that language was not in the 19

3409
02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:26,399
182.

3410
02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:27,280
>> Correct.

3411
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:29,600
>> Okay. Um

3412
02:31:29,600 --> 02:31:32,880
>> then, uh this whole second paragraph is

3413
02:31:32,880 --> 02:31:35,840
new, the one that identifies the two

3414
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:38,640
fishing game road and snipstick street

3415
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:40,880
parcels.

3416
02:31:40,880 --> 02:31:42,399
And

3417
02:31:42,399 --> 02:31:45,760
the last two paragraphs are virtually

3418
02:31:45,760 --> 02:31:52,870
identical to the 1981 resolution.

3419
02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:56,960
» I guess If I had a magic wand, we would

3420
02:31:56,960 --> 02:31:59,600
be able to talk to the residents here

3421
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:02,399
who took the time to come but have been

3422
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:05,840
unable to even see what we're voting on.

3423
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:08,319
Can we take a break? They can all come

3424
02:32:08,319 --> 02:32:11,680
look at our computers and and read it. I

3425
02:32:11,680 --> 02:32:16,150
just don't think it's fair.

3426
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:18,960
to them to

3427
02:32:18,960 --> 02:32:20,479
walk away. They don't walk away not

3428
02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:26,630
understanding what we did.

3429
02:32:26,640 --> 02:32:31,120
So in 81 it mentions presently built

3430
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:34,080
upon.

3431
02:32:34,080 --> 02:32:36,399
This also mentions the plan of

3432
02:32:36,399 --> 02:32:40,160
conservation and development.

3433
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:43,600
What we put in the new resolution

3434
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:45,520
mentions

3435
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:47,920
that I know some were worried about

3436
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:53,200
breaking out and their homes and pieces.

3437
02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:56,720
This is as excessively and continuous

3438
02:32:56,720 --> 02:32:59,359
undeveloped portion of the lot and

3439
02:32:59,359 --> 02:33:01,359
above.

3440
02:33:01,359 --> 02:33:04,560
It's it's in here what you need because

3441
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:06,800
it's referencing your zones, your

3442
02:33:06,800 --> 02:33:09,280
residential zones.

3443
02:33:09,280 --> 02:33:13,840
It's um saying the four excessive acres.

3444
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:15,760
Um

3445
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:17,840
I don't think anything's missing here.

3446
02:33:17,840 --> 02:33:19,520
I've had somebody, like I said, I've had

3447
02:33:19,520 --> 02:33:21,840
an assessor look at this and he said

3448
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:24,640
this will take care of the problem that

3449
02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:28,880
this one and the POC created.

3450
02:33:28,880 --> 02:33:31,840
So if we wait,

3451
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:35,200
we're going to keep with where we are

3452
02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:39,120
and everybody will end up in court.

3453
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:42,960
If we put the resolution through,

3454
02:33:42,960 --> 02:33:47,920
what can happen is it's a revalier.

3455
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:52,479
So at once you get your reval and they

3456
02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:54,640
give you the numbers, some of you are

3457
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:57,359
going to be back anyway because the

3458
02:33:57,359 --> 02:34:00,479
house prices have gone.

3459
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:03,040
It's just unbelievable.

3460
02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:05,600
But you then have that opportunity with

3461
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:07,280
the board of assessment appeals to

3462
02:34:07,280 --> 02:34:10,880
appeal again. But at least we're making

3463
02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:13,520
the correction.

3464
02:34:13,520 --> 02:34:15,600
The assessor will be putting his list

3465
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:18,479
together October 1st.

3466
02:34:18,479 --> 02:34:20,560
You will get the letter with your

3467
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:23,120
assessment.

3468
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:25,359
You know, it's going to be higher if

3469
02:34:25,359 --> 02:34:27,200
anybody's been watching the real estate,

3470
02:34:27,200 --> 02:34:29,680
but you'll get the assessment. They'll

3471
02:34:29,680 --> 02:34:31,760
break it down

3472
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:35,200
market value assessment and then the

3473
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:37,200
breakdown of your home, the building,

3474
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:41,359
land, and if you have the 490 on it. Um

3475
02:34:41,359 --> 02:34:44,160
I but I've also requested

3476
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:47,920
that maybe like it would be nice if the

3477
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:50,800
assessor sent out a letter to everybody

3478
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:54,240
that was being denied a 490 and who

3479
02:34:54,240 --> 02:34:57,120
would now qualify with this resolution

3480
02:34:57,120 --> 02:34:59,680
that we're going to pass.

3481
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:01,680
and then take care of that problem.

3482
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:08,070
Thank you.

3483
02:35:08,080 --> 02:35:11,600
» So, thank you, Mayor. So, I I understand

3484
02:35:11,600 --> 02:35:13,680
point of view. So, I go back to my first

3485
02:35:13,680 --> 02:35:18,960
my original was that if the law is there

3486
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:21,359
already and the minor change that we put

3487
02:35:21,359 --> 02:35:25,120
to it was that commercial piece, right?

3488
02:35:25,120 --> 02:35:28,240
And so if that is the only if that was

3489
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:30,479
the only thing that we changed there,

3490
02:35:30,479 --> 02:35:32,640
then why are a resident receiving those

3491
02:35:32,640 --> 02:35:34,160
letter in the first place?

3492
02:35:34,160 --> 02:35:36,399
>> No, we we took out piece.

3493
02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:38,240
>> You took out that one piece, right?

3494
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:40,640
>> You took out the piece that says they

3495
02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:43,120
presently built the pond.

3496
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:44,960
>> And so they consider what they see on

3497
02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:48,000
there as a changing of that land. That's

3498
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:50,399
why it's being assessed. I'm ask I'm

3499
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:52,240
just asking if nothing's changed other

3500
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:54,800
than that, why are we no resident

3501
02:35:54,800 --> 02:35:55,680
receiving it.

3502
02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:57,359
>> They got the letter because that the old

3503
02:35:57,359 --> 02:36:01,040
one says um which is not presently built

3504
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:02,560
upon.

3505
02:36:02,560 --> 02:36:05,040
So what they're saying is you can get if

3506
02:36:05,040 --> 02:36:08,399
you have a deed for 20 acres and you

3507
02:36:08,399 --> 02:36:10,880
have a house on that deed there's a

3508
02:36:10,880 --> 02:36:14,240
house under this resolution you can get

3509
02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:16,319
open space only if there's nothing built

3510
02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:18,800
upon it. If you have a house built upon

3511
02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:20,640
it under this resolution, not any state

3512
02:36:20,640 --> 02:36:22,880
law, under this resolution, that's the

3513
02:36:22,880 --> 02:36:24,640
problem. What we're trying to do before

3514
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:27,040
these people all lose their open space

3515
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:29,280
is take the part out that says which is

3516
02:36:29,280 --> 02:36:31,760
not built upon. We're just removing

3517
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:33,520
them.

3518
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:36,240
>> I I do I do understand. So I'm saying so

3519
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:37,760
if that's what we're thinking, mayor,

3520
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:38,720
then

3521
02:36:38,720 --> 02:36:40,560
>> then that's good. But if they're

3522
02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:42,720
effective, then why don't we just get

3523
02:36:42,720 --> 02:36:44,640
then the grandfather clause in there and

3524
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:45,920
just say here

3525
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:47,200
>> because

3526
02:36:47,200 --> 02:36:48,560
What we're doing is we're just taking

3527
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:50,399
that part out which grandfathers

3528
02:36:50,399 --> 02:36:52,640
everybody because they truly keep the

3529
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:55,280
land as open space.

3530
02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:57,359
>> So maybe I'm not understanding why if

3531
02:36:57,359 --> 02:36:59,840
nothing other than that change that our

3532
02:36:59,840 --> 02:37:01,600
citizen is being affected as

3533
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:06,000
>> they're being affected because it's a revalure where every property has

3534
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:08,000
to be re-evaluated.

3535
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:10,080
>> Okay. And they went back to this

3536
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:14,720
resolution that we we saw. So before we

3537
02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:16,560
make any change and anything goes to

3538
02:37:16,560 --> 02:37:19,280
court, what we want to do is we want to

3539
02:37:19,280 --> 02:37:21,600
fix the thing that has our assessor

3540
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:23,439
saying, "I'm sorry, it's not going to

3541
02:37:23,439 --> 02:37:26,560
work." So before anything else happens,

3542
02:37:26,560 --> 02:37:28,319
we want to fix this. We're going to

3543
02:37:28,319 --> 02:37:30,000
change the resolution that says we're

3544
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:33,280
going to take out that open the the uh

3545
02:37:33,280 --> 02:37:35,760
which is not built presently built upon,

3546
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:38,960
which is what essentially happened

3547
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:41,359
everybody's houses already. And we're

3548
02:37:41,359 --> 02:37:43,760
going to take that out. Now that that's

3549
02:37:43,760 --> 02:37:45,680
out

3550
02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:48,240
in this new resolution,

3551
02:37:48,240 --> 02:37:50,080
you know, that takes away all the

3552
02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:52,560
problems everybody was facing.

3553
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:54,080
So that's the language that's the only

3554
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:56,720
language

3555
02:37:56,720 --> 02:37:58,880
>> and we added those the two clubs in

3556
02:37:58,880 --> 02:38:00,720
there because of one of the clubs we we

3557
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:03,520
actually need that benefit because they

3558
02:38:03,520 --> 02:38:06,880
been more than uh more than helpful to

3559
02:38:06,880 --> 02:38:09,200
the town of we can't if we we lose the

3560
02:38:09,200 --> 02:38:11,600
range um which I don't think they would

3561
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:14,000
do but you know what if we lose the

3562
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:15,439
range the last time we went to a range

3563
02:38:15,439 --> 02:38:18,000
was in Cromwell. Okay. Then if you're

3564
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:19,760
going to transport police officers all

3565
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:21,600
the way down to Cromwell, you don't want

3566
02:38:21,600 --> 02:38:22,640
that.

3567
02:38:22,640 --> 02:38:25,280
>> No, I understand. I'm just a little

3568
02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:27,760
puzzle that my resident are being

3569
02:38:27,760 --> 02:38:29,280
affected like

3570
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:30,720
>> right now they're not affected. They got

3571
02:38:30,720 --> 02:38:33,200
a letter. We're going to remove that

3572
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:36,720
section so that on October 1st there's

3573
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:39,920
no change.

3574
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:41,439
That's the deal. That's what we want to

3575
02:38:41,439 --> 02:38:44,479
do. Bill.

3576
02:38:44,479 --> 02:38:48,399
>> So just just to put a finer point on

3577
02:38:48,399 --> 02:38:50,800
what you said, do I understand correctly

3578
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:53,040
that the only people who got the letter

3579
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:55,920
are people who have a home on the

3580
02:38:55,920 --> 02:38:58,080
continuous property along with the

3581
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:00,080
>> building a building on on the property

3582
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:02,800
>> and that triggered the change because of

3583
02:39:02,800 --> 02:39:05,840
the language in the previous in 1980s

3584
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:06,800
resolution

3585
02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:07,600
>> 81 resolution

3586
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:09,200
>> and that's what we're fixing.

3587
02:39:09,200 --> 02:39:10,240
>> Yes.

3588
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:12,319
>> All right. Thank you. Um, can we take a

3589
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:13,920
five minute recess, please?

3590
02:39:13,920 --> 02:39:19,190
>> Sure.

3591
02:39:19,200 --> 02:39:22,790
» Five minute recess.

3592
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:24,399
» All right, we have to continue the

3593
02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:44,630
meeting everyone.

3594
02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:56,870
West.

3595
02:39:56,880 --> 02:39:58,880
» You all done with your questions, Bill?

3596
02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:00,720
>> Are you all done with your questions?

3597
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:02,399
Okay.

3598
02:40:02,399 --> 02:40:05,040
All right. Questions.

3599
02:40:05,040 --> 02:40:09,359
We are still on the the second motion,

3600
02:40:09,359 --> 02:40:11,200
Mike.

3601
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:13,520
>> Yes. Uh Lou, I had a question for you,

3602
02:40:13,520 --> 02:40:18,080
please. Um this new

3603
02:40:18,080 --> 02:40:22,399
as it's written, um how will this affect

3604
02:40:22,399 --> 02:40:25,760
people that purchase the house and land

3605
02:40:25,760 --> 02:40:28,319
out there going forward? Would they be

3606
02:40:28,319 --> 02:40:30,479
separated from the building or would it

3607
02:40:30,479 --> 02:40:32,240
be one partial

3608
02:40:32,240 --> 02:40:34,080
>> room for assessment purposes? I believe

3609
02:40:34,080 --> 02:40:36,560
remains one par

3610
02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:41,680
>> and um Okay. And um if I may

3611
02:40:41,680 --> 02:40:44,640
um I like to side with my constituent

3612
02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:47,600
over here. I would like to see that word

3613
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:50,080
change from may to shall.

3614
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:52,160
>> You can't force the assessor to do a

3615
02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:55,840
certain am I correct on that loop? It

3616
02:40:55,840 --> 02:40:58,640
just leaves it, you know, word salad may

3617
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:02,160
it's like wishywashy shall means okay

3618
02:41:02,160 --> 02:41:04,160
you shall

3619
02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:06,800
you write it up as this it's it's

3620
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:11,270
definite you know I mean

3621
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:15,600
it's well the the assessor uh is uh is

3622
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:19,040
bound by his own set of statutes but I

3623
02:41:19,040 --> 02:41:20,960
don't I don't see any reason what you

3624
02:41:20,960 --> 02:41:24,800
know you can make it shall it conveys

3625
02:41:24,800 --> 02:41:26,319
strong sentiment on behalf of the

3626
02:41:26,319 --> 02:41:27,280
council.

3627
02:41:27,280 --> 02:41:30,240
>> Yeah. I just think it's more

3628
02:41:30,240 --> 02:41:33,040
>> definite that one word makes it this is

3629
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:35,680
what you're doing. You know, you shall,

3630
02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:38,319
you know, list it as such.

3631
02:41:38,319 --> 02:41:40,640
Not may may just leave it open for

3632
02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:45,670
interpretation.

3633
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:48,720
If I could make a motion to change that

3634
02:41:48,720 --> 02:41:49,280
word.

3635
02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:59,190
>> Hold on.

3636
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:01,680
I don't like something that's like you

3637
02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:19,990
said.

3638
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:32,790
» It is kind of

3639
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:34,800
So,

3640
02:42:34,800 --> 02:42:36,800
first of all, currently you want to

3641
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:38,800
change something in the what we're

3642
02:42:38,800 --> 02:42:41,200
changing now and we are on a second

3643
02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:42,880
motion. So, you're going to have to wait

3644
02:42:42,880 --> 02:42:44,560
till we finish the second motion before

3645
02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:48,960
we make any changes to this. All right.

3646
02:42:48,960 --> 02:42:50,960
So, the questions are on the

3647
02:42:50,960 --> 02:42:52,880
second motion.

3648
02:42:52,880 --> 02:42:54,560
>> Go ahead.

3649
02:42:54,560 --> 02:42:57,520
>> As a point of order, I think the motion

3650
02:42:57,520 --> 02:42:59,680
that I made

3651
02:42:59,680 --> 02:43:03,439
uh was out of order because we hadn't

3652
02:43:03,439 --> 02:43:05,120
voted on the first motion.

3653
02:43:05,120 --> 02:43:07,040
>> You can make a motion within the motion,

3654
02:43:07,040 --> 02:43:09,600
but then you got to solve the f the

3655
02:43:09,600 --> 02:43:11,520
motion within the motion first and then

3656
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:12,560
you're going to have to go back to the

3657
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:14,960
original motion.

3658
02:43:14,960 --> 02:43:17,280
>> I'm going to withdraw that motion.

3659
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:19,520
>> Second or withdraw? Second, the one that

3660
02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:21,840
I did. Yes.

3661
02:43:21,840 --> 02:43:23,600
>> Okay. So, that that motion was

3662
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:25,840
withdrawn.

3663
02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:30,870
>> That was the one year commission.

3664
02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:41,830
» We're back to the original motion.

3665
02:43:41,840 --> 02:43:43,439
» Can I make my motion now?

3666
02:43:43,439 --> 02:43:44,399
>> Go ahead.

3667
02:43:44,399 --> 02:43:46,319
I'd like to make a motion to change that

3668
02:43:46,319 --> 02:43:49,680
word um in that paragraph from may to

3669
02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:53,030
shall

3670
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:54,560
» first point out the word in which

3671
02:43:54,560 --> 02:43:56,399
paragraph so everybody understands where

3672
02:43:56,399 --> 02:43:59,359
it is

3673
02:43:59,359 --> 02:44:00,399
>> from the bottom

3674
02:44:00,399 --> 02:44:05,670
>> third paragraph in the bottom

3675
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:09,040
» that last line said the open space land

3676
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:11,760
may be classified as such by the burning

3677
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:13,520
town assessor I'd like to change that

3678
02:44:13,520 --> 02:44:16,319
may be classified to shall be

3679
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:17,760
classified.

3680
02:44:17,760 --> 02:44:19,439
>> Okay.

3681
02:44:19,439 --> 02:44:20,960
There there's another may in the first

3682
02:44:20,960 --> 02:44:22,720
paragraph.

3683
02:44:22,720 --> 02:44:24,640
>> There's a may in the first paragraph

3684
02:44:24,640 --> 02:44:25,439
also.

3685
02:44:25,439 --> 02:44:27,359
>> Okay. So, we can change both of them.

3686
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:28,479
>> Yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't make them

3687
02:44:28,479 --> 02:44:29,760
inconsistent because that

3688
02:44:29,760 --> 02:44:32,000
>> Okay. Yeah, we'll make the motion to

3689
02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:38,070
change both of them as written to SH.

3690
02:44:38,080 --> 02:44:39,279
» Thanks for catching that.

3691
02:44:39,279 --> 02:44:43,120
>> Where is it? Luke uh third line in the

3692
02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:45,040
pursuant paragraph. It's third line

3693
02:44:45,040 --> 02:44:46,640
down.

3694
02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:47,120
Got it.

3695
02:44:47,120 --> 02:45:07,110
>> And may be classified as such.

3696
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:08,880
Now, these are all subject to the

3697
02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:10,240
statues as well, right?

3698
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:12,160
>> Correct. Okay.

3699
02:45:12,160 --> 02:45:14,000
>> I need a second on that.

3700
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:15,920
>> Somebody already did over there.

3701
02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:17,840
>> Second. Right. I didn't get the second.

3702
02:45:17,840 --> 02:45:20,560
All right. Bill,

3703
02:45:20,560 --> 02:45:23,600
Mr. Please don't throw things at me

3704
02:45:23,600 --> 02:45:25,120
because I I was the one who raised the

3705
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:28,080
maya question to begin with, but in your

3706
02:45:28,080 --> 02:45:29,920
legal opinion,

3707
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:33,279
does changing the word may to shall

3708
02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:36,080
which which I suggested in favor, does

3709
02:45:36,080 --> 02:45:39,359
it create any actionable defect in this

3710
02:45:39,359 --> 02:45:41,680
resolution?

3711
02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:47,110
>> Not to my knowledge.

3712
02:45:47,120 --> 02:45:51,040
So thank you man. So on the same note

3713
02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:55,200
the may I think is less restrictive and

3714
02:45:55,200 --> 02:45:59,760
they shall have give the assessor more

3715
02:45:59,760 --> 02:46:02,960
free uh power to exercise.

3716
02:46:02,960 --> 02:46:07,830
>> I think would be the reverse.

3717
02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:09,760
But

3718
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:12,560
they say may or may not

3719
02:46:12,560 --> 02:46:16,479
but we don't have anything.

3720
02:46:16,479 --> 02:46:18,640
>> Correct.

3721
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:26,309
>> So you think that she's made or

3722
02:46:26,319 --> 02:46:27,920
show you have to do it right.

3723
02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:31,520
>> I it it limits the discretion. Yeah. But

3724
02:46:31,520 --> 02:46:34,240
if the property qualifies

3725
02:46:34,240 --> 02:46:36,720
You're setting a statement that you want

3726
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:39,200
that property to be

3727
02:46:39,200 --> 02:46:41,200
given the exception

3728
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:43,680
>> as long as it falls all state.

3729
02:46:43,680 --> 02:46:45,680
>> No, I understand just that right now

3730
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:47,760
with you know what I'm seeing right now

3731
02:46:47,760 --> 02:46:50,080
affecting the resident given the

3732
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:53,120
assessor a bit more authority to make

3733
02:46:53,120 --> 02:46:56,479
that discretion is

3734
02:46:56,479 --> 02:47:00,399
I don't think is necessary.

3735
02:47:00,399 --> 02:47:05,200
>> Bill, thank you. M just clarify my sense

3736
02:47:05,200 --> 02:47:07,359
of it and please correct me if I if I've

3737
02:47:07,359 --> 02:47:10,160
misinterpreted it. My sense of it was

3738
02:47:10,160 --> 02:47:11,920
that when I asked the original question

3739
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:14,560
was that the word may

3740
02:47:14,560 --> 02:47:17,680
gives the appearance of discretion there

3741
02:47:17,680 --> 02:47:21,600
where the the imply the word may implies

3742
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:25,760
or may not whereas shall

3743
02:47:25,760 --> 02:47:28,560
is a clear direction and removes that

3744
02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:33,520
discretion. So uh in my head using shall

3745
02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:35,920
gives the assessor less independent

3746
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:38,640
power and and gives the resolution that

3747
02:47:38,640 --> 02:47:44,080
we're passing more force. Is that am I think that's fair to say?

3748
02:47:44,080 --> 02:47:44,319
>> Yeah.

3749
02:47:44,319 --> 02:47:47,520
>> Okay. Thank you.

3750
02:47:47,520 --> 02:47:50,880
Anybody else?

3751
02:47:50,880 --> 02:47:54,080
>> All right. So we're voting on the word

3752
02:47:54,080 --> 02:47:56,960
change now. All those in favor of

3753
02:47:56,960 --> 02:48:02,080
changing may to shall raise your hand.

3754
02:48:02,080 --> 02:48:05,520
>> One, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

3755
02:48:05,520 --> 02:48:08,000
eight. Against.

3756
02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:11,120
All right. Terry, Tao, Jim, and Laura

3757
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:14,240
are against that word change.

3758
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:17,120
All right. So, the word passes.

3759
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:20,560
Now, we're back to the original motion

3760
02:48:20,560 --> 02:48:23,040
as amended.

3761
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:25,520
All in favor of the Another question. I

3762
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:27,439
think you're up to like six now, so

3763
02:48:27,439 --> 02:48:27,760
sorry.

3764
02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:28,880
>> I'm going to give a little bit of

3765
02:48:28,880 --> 02:48:29,760
leeway.

3766
02:48:29,760 --> 02:48:32,479
>> Thank you. I appreciate that. A question

3767
02:48:32,479 --> 02:48:35,920
was made of me when we took our break.

3768
02:48:35,920 --> 02:48:41,600
Um asking that Lou give a definitive one

3769
02:48:41,600 --> 02:48:44,399
sentence confirming

3770
02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:47,040
this will

3771
02:48:47,040 --> 02:48:52,240
keep everybody who still qualifies on. I

3772
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:55,600
There's the deed issue, but they want to

3773
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:56,479
know

3774
02:48:56,479 --> 02:48:58,560
>> Lou can't.

3775
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:00,399
This was this was something we agreed to

3776
02:49:00,399 --> 02:49:04,070
with the assessor.

3777
02:49:04,080 --> 02:49:06,399
» Can we have a one word sentence that if

3778
02:49:06,399 --> 02:49:08,720
they meet the qualifications of the

3779
02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:11,359
statute

3780
02:49:11,359 --> 02:49:13,840
that they will continue to have their

3781
02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:16,000
PA490?

3782
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:20,399
I mean, keep saying this fixes it, but

3783
02:49:20,399 --> 02:49:23,520
there are some people would like to hear

3784
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:26,399
if you meet the qualifications,

3785
02:49:26,399 --> 02:49:29,760
>> right? You don't we don't have the

3786
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:32,479
authority to kind of tell the assessor

3787
02:49:32,479 --> 02:49:35,359
what to do. We doing a resolution saying

3788
02:49:35,359 --> 02:49:39,120
this is what we expect to be done. Okay?

3789
02:49:39,120 --> 02:49:41,760
And and that's how we're getting this

3790
02:49:41,760 --> 02:49:51,590
passed.

3791
02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:53,120
I understand what you want, but you

3792
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:54,560
can't go over to the assessor and say

3793
02:49:54,560 --> 02:49:56,960
you're going to do what I tell you to do

3794
02:49:56,960 --> 02:49:59,359
because we don't have the authority.

3795
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:01,520
>> But isn't that what we're doing?

3796
02:50:01,520 --> 02:50:04,399
>> We're changing a resolution. I'm I'm I

3797
02:50:04,399 --> 02:50:06,800
was nervous about the the shall in May,

3798
02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:07,600
>> right?

3799
02:50:07,600 --> 02:50:09,200
>> Because you're telling him now this is

3800
02:50:09,200 --> 02:50:11,520
what you're going to do. But I don't

3801
02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:14,160
think that's going to be a big issue.

3802
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:15,920
>> But you're not going back. No one's

3803
02:50:15,920 --> 02:50:19,840
going back. This fixes it. And people

3804
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:22,800
who currently have 490,

3805
02:50:22,800 --> 02:50:24,240
>> this is going to fix it.

3806
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:27,439
>> Okay.

3807
02:50:27,439 --> 02:50:29,439
>> Yeah.

3808
02:50:29,439 --> 02:50:31,680
>> I think we have to take into account

3809
02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:32,640
people's

3810
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:35,439
>> trust me. I I've talked to a bunch of

3811
02:50:35,439 --> 02:50:38,399
people and and I'm in the same for so

3812
02:50:38,399 --> 02:50:40,560
for everybody to know when you guys came

3813
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:42,640
to the last town council meeting that's

3814
02:50:42,640 --> 02:50:44,720
how we learned about it, including

3815
02:50:44,720 --> 02:50:48,000
myself. All right. Because the assessor

3816
02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:50,800
has his job to do and and because you

3817
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:53,200
guys came forward and said, "Hey, this

3818
02:50:53,200 --> 02:50:55,359
is what happened. This is this is why I

3819
02:50:55,359 --> 02:50:58,800
was able to have a sit down and say,

3820
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:03,040
what's going on here?" Um, and this is

3821
02:51:03,040 --> 02:51:06,479
the solution we came up with. Okay. Um,

3822
02:51:06,479 --> 02:51:08,160
thankfully none of it has taken place.

3823
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:10,080
It's not October 1st yet. So, we're

3824
02:51:10,080 --> 02:51:11,920
doing this ahead of time so that nobody

3825
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:14,000
loses it.

3826
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:17,920
Almost nobody. Okay. All right.

3827
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:20,080
Anybody else?

3828
02:51:20,080 --> 02:51:24,630
All in favor?

3829
02:51:24,640 --> 02:51:26,000
» No.

3830
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:27,439
>> We're We're in the second. We're back to

3831
02:51:27,439 --> 02:51:28,640
the original motion. All right.

3832
02:51:28,640 --> 02:51:30,880
Everybody in favor?

3833
02:51:30,880 --> 02:51:34,000
>> Unanimous. Okay.

3834
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:36,240
>> All right. Thank you, guys.

3835
02:51:36,240 --> 02:51:40,870
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3836
02:51:40,880 --> 02:51:42,720
» All right. We're going to go back to the

3837
02:51:42,720 --> 02:51:45,200
original

3838
02:51:45,200 --> 02:51:47,040
No, he's still here. He's got another

3839
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:48,560
thing.

3840
02:51:48,560 --> 02:51:53,910
>> All right, we are going back to

3841
02:51:53,920 --> 02:51:57,040
» consent. We um Why don't we just Why

3842
02:51:57,040 --> 02:51:59,600
don't we just pull out the first two?

3843
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:01,920
We're pulling what number? What number?

3844
02:52:01,920 --> 02:52:03,279
>> Four and five.

3845
02:52:03,279 --> 02:52:05,040
>> So, we're going to pull four and five.

3846
02:52:05,040 --> 02:52:06,560
Go ahead with the motion for everybody

3847
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:07,840
with those

3848
02:52:07,840 --> 02:52:11,920
>> motion to consent agenda without number

3849
02:52:11,920 --> 02:52:14,080
four and number five. So, it will be

3850
02:52:14,080 --> 02:52:17,840
one, two, three,

3851
02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:19,359
six,

3852
02:52:19,359 --> 02:52:23,190
and seven.

3853
02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:24,640
» Yeah. Give me a second on this one

3854
02:52:24,640 --> 02:52:26,960
first. The motion's been made. Second by

3855
02:52:26,960 --> 02:52:29,520
Laura. Yes.

3856
02:52:29,520 --> 02:52:31,600
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. May I add number

3857
02:52:31,600 --> 02:52:32,560
seven to that as well?

3858
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:33,760
>> All right. We're pulling number seven

3859
02:52:33,760 --> 02:52:37,439
out of that as well. Okay.

3860
02:52:37,439 --> 02:52:39,279
So, the motion will be everything but

3861
02:52:39,279 --> 02:52:43,520
five, six, no, four, five, and seven.

3862
02:52:43,520 --> 02:52:46,880
That's correct.

3863
02:52:46,880 --> 02:52:49,439
>> All right. All right. So, obviously, I

3864
02:52:49,439 --> 02:52:50,640
think everybody knows why we pulled

3865
02:52:50,640 --> 02:52:53,439
number four.

3866
02:52:53,439 --> 02:52:54,319
So,

3867
02:52:54,319 --> 02:52:56,880
>> we

3868
02:52:56,880 --> 02:52:58,960
have to

3869
02:52:58,960 --> 02:52:59,920
>> Yeah, we got to go through each

3870
02:52:59,920 --> 02:53:01,279
individual one. So, we'll start with

3871
02:53:01,279 --> 02:53:05,750
number four.

3872
02:53:05,760 --> 02:53:07,200
» Oh, we're voting on everything. I'm

3873
02:53:07,200 --> 02:53:09,040
sorry. I'm get myself mixed up here.

3874
02:53:09,040 --> 02:53:10,240
It's getting late.

3875
02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:12,160
>> All right. So, we're voting we're voting

3876
02:53:12,160 --> 02:53:15,279
for everything except four, five, and

3877
02:53:15,279 --> 02:53:16,880
seven, right?

3878
02:53:16,880 --> 02:53:19,760
>> One, two, three, six.

3879
02:53:19,760 --> 02:53:21,200
are what we're

3880
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:22,720
voting for. All in favor of one, two,

3881
02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:25,600
three, six. Raise your hand. Why am I

3882
02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:26,800
put my hand?

3883
02:53:26,800 --> 02:53:28,560
>> All right. Oppose. All right. Every

3884
02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:30,240
unanimous.

3885
02:53:30,240 --> 02:53:35,830
Okay. Let's go down to four.

3886
02:53:35,840 --> 02:53:38,880
Pursuant to chapter

3887
02:53:38,880 --> 02:53:42,479
>> Pursuant to chapter

3888
02:53:42,479 --> 02:53:45,200
Oh, I'm sorry. Pursuant to charter

3889
02:53:45,200 --> 02:53:49,200
chapter 15, section 3, town council

3890
02:53:49,200 --> 02:53:56,710
resolution dated 824 1976.

3891
02:53:56,720 --> 02:54:00,720
Okay. And um

3892
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:03,920
town council resolution dated 341 1994.

3893
02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:05,920
The town council hereby approves mayor

3894
02:54:05,920 --> 02:54:08,640
Dale Neil A. Champagne's appointment of

3895
02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:13,359
Simone Seaw Wall D 38 Elm Street Vernon

3896
02:54:13,359 --> 02:54:16,319
Connecticut to serve as board of

3897
02:54:16,319 --> 02:54:18,880
education liaison to the youth service

3898
02:54:18,880 --> 02:54:22,479
advisory board set term to commence

3899
02:54:22,479 --> 02:54:25,200
September 166

3900
02:54:25,200 --> 02:54:30,880
and expires November 8th 2027.

3901
02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:33,040
>> Change that right.

3902
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:37,429
Yeah, we changed that date everyone.

3903
02:54:37,439 --> 02:54:39,680
Is it November 8th or

3904
02:54:39,680 --> 02:54:45,750
>> November 8th?

3905
02:54:45,760 --> 02:54:48,800
» November 28th or November 8th, 2027,

3906
02:54:48,800 --> 02:54:53,269
which is the election next year.

3907
02:54:53,279 --> 02:54:55,120
» The election's on the second next year.

3908
02:54:55,120 --> 02:54:58,000
>> Yes. The first looked it up.

3909
02:54:58,000 --> 02:55:02,319
>> Which which date is it, guys?

3910
02:55:02,319 --> 02:55:02,960
>> It is the eth.

3911
02:55:02,960 --> 02:55:04,720
Thank you.

3912
02:55:04,720 --> 02:55:05,840
>> The term runs through the

3913
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:07,600
>> eth.

3914
02:55:07,600 --> 02:55:08,080
Okay.

3915
02:55:08,080 --> 02:55:09,359
>> Okay.

3916
02:55:09,359 --> 02:55:12,000
>> All right.

3917
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:13,200
>> Do I have a second?

3918
02:55:13,200 --> 02:55:14,240
>> I did.

3919
02:55:14,240 --> 02:55:19,429
>> Seconded by Laura. All right. Questions?

3920
02:55:19,439 --> 02:55:23,200
No. All in favor?

3921
02:55:23,200 --> 02:55:26,640
Unanimous. Okay. Why did we pull that?

3922
02:55:26,640 --> 02:55:28,240
All right.

3923
02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:29,840
The date changed. That's why we pulled

3924
02:55:29,840 --> 02:55:33,200
that one. Gotcha. Pursuant to chapter

3925
02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:36,479
charter chapter 15 section 3 town

3926
02:55:36,479 --> 02:55:41,760
council resolution dated 824 1976

3927
02:55:41,760 --> 02:55:45,279
and the town council resolution 3194.

3928
02:55:45,279 --> 02:55:47,520
The town council hereby approves Mayor

3929
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:49,920
Daniel A. Champagne appointment of Laura

3930
02:55:49,920 --> 02:55:53,680
Bush, R18 Gen Drive, Vernon, Connecticut

3931
02:55:53,680 --> 02:55:56,800
to serve as town council liaison to the

3932
02:55:56,800 --> 02:55:59,920
youth service advisory board in term to

3933
02:55:59,920 --> 02:56:04,160
commence on September 16th, 2026 and

3934
02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:11,030
expires November 7th, 2027.

3935
02:56:11,040 --> 02:56:13,279
» That one's the 7th, not the 8th. Is that

3936
02:56:13,279 --> 02:56:14,960
>> That's correct. Okay.

3937
02:56:14,960 --> 02:56:16,160
>> All right. Do we have a second?

3938
02:56:16,160 --> 02:56:17,680
>> Second.

3939
02:56:17,680 --> 02:56:21,760
Seconded by Terry. Questions?

3940
02:56:21,760 --> 02:56:25,040
All in favor?

3941
02:56:25,040 --> 02:56:27,439
An abstension? One extension. Laura

3942
02:56:27,439 --> 02:56:30,319
Wood.

3943
02:56:30,319 --> 02:56:34,630
>> All right. Let's go to the next one.

3944
02:56:34,640 --> 02:56:36,720
» The town council hereby approves the

3945
02:56:36,720 --> 02:56:40,479
budget amendment request for year 26.

3946
02:56:40,479 --> 02:56:42,960
Number three, number number two, number

3947
02:56:42,960 --> 02:56:45,520
three, number four, number five, number

3948
02:56:45,520 --> 02:56:47,920
six, number seven, number number nine,

3949
02:56:47,920 --> 02:56:51,279
number 10, and number 11 as outlined in

3950
02:56:51,279 --> 02:56:53,920
the budget amendment forms provided by

3951
02:56:53,920 --> 02:56:56,080
Nicole Greco, budget and capital

3952
02:56:56,080 --> 02:56:58,560
projects analyst,

3953
02:56:58,560 --> 02:57:01,359
>> second by Laura.

3954
02:57:01,359 --> 02:57:05,269
>> Patricia,

3955
02:57:05,279 --> 02:57:07,279
» thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a quick

3956
02:57:07,279 --> 02:57:09,040
question for the town administrator. I

3957
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:10,880
noticed the dates are different on some

3958
02:57:10,880 --> 02:57:13,439
of the requests. Some of the requests

3959
02:57:13,439 --> 02:57:15,200
were put in prior to the end of that

3960
02:57:15,200 --> 02:57:17,359
fiscal year and some of the requests

3961
02:57:17,359 --> 02:57:19,760
were put in after the fiscal year had

3962
02:57:19,760 --> 02:57:23,439
closed and I just was curious as to why

3963
02:57:23,439 --> 02:57:26,000
>> through the mayor Dwight Rhino which was

3964
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:28,640
on top of this game and uh was able to

3965
02:57:28,640 --> 02:57:30,960
look at his accounts prior. We generally

3966
02:57:30,960 --> 02:57:33,760
do it post the end of the fiscal year uh

3967
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:35,200
to bring you folks these budget

3968
02:57:35,200 --> 02:57:38,960
transfers um in previous councils in

3969
02:57:38,960 --> 02:57:41,200
previous years. This is an ongoing

3970
02:57:41,200 --> 02:57:43,680
process. Uh we also have a huge turnover

3971
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:45,600
in our finance department. So I have six

3972
02:57:45,600 --> 02:57:47,840
new staff members down there. So uh in

3973
02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:49,600
the next couple council meetings, you

3974
02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:52,560
may see a couple others. Um but these

3975
02:57:52,560 --> 02:57:55,279
are all uh moving funds within funds

3976
02:57:55,279 --> 02:57:58,000
within actual uh departmental budgets.

3977
02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:00,160
Uh this is not taking any money from

3978
02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:01,840
fund balance. This is moving money

3979
02:58:01,840 --> 02:58:04,160
within uh the different line items. And

3980
02:58:04,160 --> 02:58:07,920
I'm happy to answer any questions on the

3981
02:58:07,920 --> 02:58:13,110
11 items.

3982
02:58:13,120 --> 02:58:15,279
» Are you all done?

3983
02:58:15,279 --> 02:58:18,560
>> I am. Thank you.

3984
02:58:18,560 --> 02:58:20,399
>> Thank you. Um, in the resolution number

3985
02:58:20,399 --> 02:58:23,120
two, I thought we answered this and put

3986
02:58:23,120 --> 02:58:25,840
it down, but I'm not sure. It said that

3987
02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:28,399
we're spending 18k on copier rentals.

3988
02:58:28,399 --> 02:58:31,840
How many copers do we have for the town?

3989
02:58:31,840 --> 02:58:34,640
>> We have the all copers throughout the

3990
02:58:34,640 --> 02:58:38,960
town are here. So, it's one contract.

3991
02:58:38,960 --> 02:58:42,399
Um, how many

3992
02:58:42,399 --> 02:58:44,720
you figure each department

3993
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:46,720
some

3994
02:58:46,720 --> 02:58:49,120
like police department has at least two

3995
02:58:49,120 --> 02:58:51,279
does this the school two or so so

3996
02:58:51,279 --> 02:58:53,040
through the merit? This is a so we

3997
02:58:53,040 --> 02:58:54,560
actually have savings right now in

3998
02:58:54,560 --> 02:58:56,800
copier rentals. So, you're taking money

3999
02:58:56,800 --> 02:58:58,960
from copier rentals to cover the other

4000
02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:03,359
fees budget. So, We are spending less on

4001
02:59:03,359 --> 02:59:05,439
our copier rentals because now we own

4002
02:59:05,439 --> 02:59:07,840
most of the copers. We only have a small

4003
02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:12,960
number of copers that we rent now. So, that's where we're moving the 18,000

4004
02:59:12,960 --> 02:59:15,600
to cover our overages in the other fees

4005
02:59:15,600 --> 02:59:17,920
category, which if you look at the

4006
02:59:17,920 --> 02:59:20,640
number one down here, that increases for

4007
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:22,560
background checks, um because we've

4008
02:59:22,560 --> 02:59:24,720
centralized that townwide, as well as

4009
02:59:24,720 --> 02:59:26,960
we're implementing time and attendance,

4010
02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:30,160
uh which um we have an annual time card

4011
02:59:30,160 --> 02:59:32,240
that's done via paper that all my

4012
02:59:32,240 --> 02:59:33,760
department heads are smiling about

4013
02:59:33,760 --> 02:59:36,000
because it's it's something that drives

4014
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:38,880
me absolutely nuts. We are modernizing

4015
02:59:38,880 --> 02:59:42,080
uh and moving to a system where uh we

4016
02:59:42,080 --> 02:59:44,960
will be embracing technology uh an

4017
02:59:44,960 --> 02:59:47,120
application for checking in for time and

4018
02:59:47,120 --> 02:59:48,640
things like that so folks can be able to

4019
02:59:48,640 --> 02:59:51,120
see their vacation time, their sick time

4020
02:59:51,120 --> 02:59:53,279
uh on an online system rather than

4021
02:59:53,279 --> 02:59:54,720
everybody keeping their own individual

4022
02:59:54,720 --> 02:59:56,880
spreadsheets. So it's it's a it's a good

4023
02:59:56,880 --> 02:59:59,040
thing. Uh it's good money spent. So

4024
02:59:59,040 --> 03:00:03,120
>> thank you for explaining that

4025
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:07,200
>> thank you maybe to you. I'm not sure.

4026
03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:09,359
This looks like a good thing, but how

4027
03:00:09,359 --> 03:00:13,279
did we save money on the LEAP program

4028
03:00:13,279 --> 03:00:18,710
that there's excess money?

4029
03:00:18,720 --> 03:00:20,319
» Which page are you on? Which

4030
03:00:20,319 --> 03:00:23,760
>> um on this one? It's number

4031
03:00:23,760 --> 03:00:27,359
consent seven. Number seven,

4032
03:00:27,359 --> 03:00:30,800
uh the last transfer from public works

4033
03:00:30,800 --> 03:00:32,800
le program

4034
03:00:32,800 --> 03:00:35,120
>> was last year. a year that that came

4035
03:00:35,120 --> 03:00:36,240
down pretty quick.

4036
03:00:36,240 --> 03:00:38,240
>> Yeah, we we we moved faster than

4037
03:00:38,240 --> 03:00:40,160
anticipated and we got we're done in a

4038
03:00:40,160 --> 03:00:41,840
short amount of time, which means less

4039
03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:44,000
on salaries, less less on overtime, and

4040
03:00:44,000 --> 03:00:45,760
that's where you find your cost savings.

4041
03:00:45,760 --> 03:00:46,720
>> That's great.

4042
03:00:46,720 --> 03:00:48,319
>> So, the the quicker the leaves come

4043
03:00:48,319 --> 03:00:51,439
down, the more we save money.

4044
03:00:51,439 --> 03:00:53,279
>> If you stretch out that the leaves

4045
03:00:53,279 --> 03:00:55,600
coming down, it cost us more money.

4046
03:00:55,600 --> 03:00:56,800
>> And through and through the mayor, I

4047
03:00:56,800 --> 03:00:58,080
just want to commend our public works

4048
03:00:58,080 --> 03:01:00,720
team on leaf pickup. Every single year,

4049
03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:03,200
we get so many phone calls about how of

4050
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:04,399
a service it is. There are a lot of

4051
03:01:04,399 --> 03:01:06,000
municipalities who not provide that

4052
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:08,720
service and our team does an excellent

4053
03:01:08,720 --> 03:01:09,439
job. So,

4054
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:12,240
>> yep, they absolutely do.

4055
03:01:12,240 --> 03:01:12,880
>> Thank you.

4056
03:01:12,880 --> 03:01:14,960
>> Anybody else?

4057
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:17,840
>> All in favor?

4058
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:27,110
>> Unanimous.

4059
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:32,080
I think we're in uh pending business.

4060
03:01:32,080 --> 03:01:34,479
proposed motion. Be it resolved that the

4061
03:01:34,479 --> 03:01:37,760
town of Vernon upon

4062
03:01:37,760 --> 03:01:41,279
proper annual application will abate

4063
03:01:41,279 --> 03:01:46,319
$1,000 of property tax for any home used

4064
03:01:46,319 --> 03:01:50,880
in the operation of a group care home

4065
03:01:50,880 --> 03:01:56,800
licensed pursuant to section 19A-80

4066
03:01:56,800 --> 03:02:00,240
of the general statutes.

4067
03:02:00,240 --> 03:02:04,240
Or we need to change

4068
03:02:04,240 --> 03:02:09,510
or a family care home

4069
03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:14,399
licensed pursuant to section 19E87B

4070
03:02:14,399 --> 03:02:17,279
of the general statutes pursuant to

4071
03:02:17,279 --> 03:02:22,960
section 13 of public act 22-81

4072
03:02:22,960 --> 03:02:26,560
provided that such home is owned by the

4073
03:02:26,560 --> 03:02:29,920
person holding the license such

4074
03:02:29,920 --> 03:02:37,040
abatement shall apply to the home only and not the

4075
03:02:37,040 --> 03:02:39,439
surrounding land

4076
03:02:39,439 --> 03:02:42,640
or any other personal property. Such

4077
03:02:42,640 --> 03:02:45,920
abatement will terminate after five

4078
03:02:45,920 --> 03:02:50,319
consecutive years or upon termination of

4079
03:02:50,319 --> 03:02:54,479
the child care license which

4080
03:02:54,479 --> 03:02:57,920
is earlier. Be it further resolved that

4081
03:02:57,920 --> 03:03:01,600
such a baitment program will be managed

4082
03:03:01,600 --> 03:03:08,230
and monitored by the town assessor

4083
03:03:08,240 --> 03:03:12,479
» second by the Lord. Okay. Um,

4084
03:03:12,479 --> 03:03:15,200
who wrote this?

4085
03:03:15,200 --> 03:03:19,840
>> Well, in all honesty, I copied it. I

4086
03:03:19,840 --> 03:03:24,880
changed the word Ellington to Vernon.

4087
03:03:24,880 --> 03:03:29,120
Uh they had already passed this vetted

4088
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:30,560
it.

4089
03:03:30,560 --> 03:03:32,160
>> How long ago?

4090
03:03:32,160 --> 03:03:34,240
>> Uh

4091
03:03:34,240 --> 03:03:35,279
two years.

4092
03:03:35,279 --> 03:03:37,040
>> Two years ago.

4093
03:03:37,040 --> 03:03:40,240
>> So I have a feeling that that public act

4094
03:03:40,240 --> 03:03:42,240
was turned into a law and it no longer

4095
03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:43,840
is a public act. I don't know the number

4096
03:03:43,840 --> 03:03:52,870
of it.

4097
03:03:52,880 --> 03:03:55,600
the public act 2281.

4098
03:03:55,600 --> 03:03:57,279
It's only stays a public act for a

4099
03:03:57,279 --> 03:03:58,399
certain amount of time

4100
03:03:58,399 --> 03:04:00,000
>> and then changes over to a law. So, we

4101
03:04:00,000 --> 03:04:02,880
have the long the wrong statue in here.

4102
03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:04,399
>> Okay.

4103
03:04:04,399 --> 03:04:09,279
Um I can fix that and resubmit it at our

4104
03:04:09,279 --> 03:04:11,760
next meeting if we could put it on the

4105
03:04:11,760 --> 03:04:13,200
next agenda.

4106
03:04:13,200 --> 03:04:15,840
>> Yeah. Why don't we have uh take them to

4107
03:04:15,840 --> 03:04:17,279
get it too because if you don't have the

4108
03:04:17,279 --> 03:04:19,439
right law in there

4109
03:04:19,439 --> 03:04:21,600
I'm sorry I literally looked at it and

4110
03:04:21,600 --> 03:04:25,279
realized what what that was exactly. So

4111
03:04:25,279 --> 03:04:26,960
we're going to have to hold off on that.

4112
03:04:26,960 --> 03:04:28,720
>> Can you

4113
03:04:28,720 --> 03:04:33,349
who who passed this

4114
03:04:33,359 --> 03:04:35,200
» you second it. So we're gonna have to

4115
03:04:35,200 --> 03:04:36,720
table it

4116
03:04:36,720 --> 03:04:40,720
>> make a motion to table.

4117
03:04:40,720 --> 03:04:42,160
>> I have some info

4118
03:04:42,160 --> 03:04:44,319
>> until when? next meeting

4119
03:04:44,319 --> 03:04:47,520
>> until next meeting.

4120
03:04:47,520 --> 03:04:48,479
>> The second

4121
03:04:48,479 --> 03:04:49,600
>> second.

4122
03:04:49,600 --> 03:04:51,359
>> All right. Motion to table and a

4123
03:04:51,359 --> 03:04:54,720
seconded. All in favor?

4124
03:04:54,720 --> 03:04:56,399
>> Unanimous. All right. I'm I'm going to

4125
03:04:56,399 --> 03:04:58,720
take this and give it to Lou and have L

4126
03:04:58,720 --> 03:05:03,670
take a look at it. Okay.

4127
03:05:03,680 --> 03:05:16,950
Let me let the whole thing

4128
03:05:16,960 --> 03:05:18,720
I know.

4129
03:05:18,720 --> 03:05:20,240
>> Okay.

4130
03:05:20,240 --> 03:05:24,870
Um,

4131
03:05:24,880 --> 03:05:27,200
all right. So, that's table. Let's move

4132
03:05:27,200 --> 03:05:30,319
on to new business.

4133
03:05:30,319 --> 03:05:34,160
All right. We did one. Number two is uh

4134
03:05:34,160 --> 03:05:36,720
town council hereby approves the

4135
03:05:36,720 --> 03:05:40,080
disposal of fixed assets for the board

4136
03:05:40,080 --> 03:05:43,040
of education as disclosed on the fixed

4137
03:05:43,040 --> 03:05:45,439
asset disposal request forms.

4138
03:05:45,439 --> 03:05:48,550
>> Second.

4139
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:50,880
» I'm sorry I missed the second

4140
03:05:50,880 --> 03:05:53,120
>> Phyllis. Phyis seconded by Phyllis.

4141
03:05:53,120 --> 03:05:57,279
Okay. Any questions on that?

4142
03:05:57,279 --> 03:06:01,110
All right. All in favor?

4143
03:06:01,120 --> 03:06:03,520
Unanimous. All right. Number three.

4144
03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:06,399
>> The town council hereby authorizes Mayor

4145
03:06:06,399 --> 03:06:07,920
Daniel A. Champagne.

4146
03:06:07,920 --> 03:06:09,840
>> We did three. Go to number four. I'm

4147
03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:10,240
sorry.

4148
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:11,520
>> I am reading that.

4149
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:13,920
>> I said three.

4150
03:06:13,920 --> 03:06:14,880
>> So, you're going to four.

4151
03:06:14,880 --> 03:06:16,160
>> I'm going to four, right?

4152
03:06:16,160 --> 03:06:16,560
>> Yeah.

4153
03:06:16,560 --> 03:06:18,479
>> Sorry.

4154
03:06:18,479 --> 03:06:20,720
>> The town council hereby authorizes

4155
03:06:20,720 --> 03:06:23,439
Daniel A. campaign or is designated to

4156
03:06:23,439 --> 03:06:26,560
execute any and all documents needed to

4157
03:06:26,560 --> 03:06:30,240
apply for, accept, and administer funds

4158
03:06:30,240 --> 03:06:33,760
associated with the 2026 Eversource

4159
03:06:33,760 --> 03:06:36,720
Energy Boost Grant.

4160
03:06:36,720 --> 03:06:42,469
>> Second, Lori, second by Lori.

4161
03:06:42,479 --> 03:06:45,510
» Um,

4162
03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:47,920
any questions on that?

4163
03:06:47,920 --> 03:06:49,520
Sean's here. You can explain it if you

4164
03:06:49,520 --> 03:06:50,960
want.

4165
03:06:50,960 --> 03:06:57,110
It's a grant. So,

4166
03:06:57,120 --> 03:06:58,479
» just give us a heads up what it is.

4167
03:06:58,479 --> 03:07:08,790
>> Sean,

4168
03:07:08,800 --> 03:07:10,160
» just tell us what what is it?

4169
03:07:10,160 --> 03:07:13,590
>> Oh. Oh, sure.

4170
03:07:13,600 --> 03:07:17,040
» Uh, so as uh through the mayor, as um

4171
03:07:17,040 --> 03:07:19,600
indicated in the memo, there is a grant

4172
03:07:19,600 --> 03:07:21,760
that allows uh Eversource Community

4173
03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:24,960
Energy Boost Grant allows

4174
03:07:24,960 --> 03:07:32,240
um communities to apply for and receive for very specific

4175
03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:36,160
items and those items um are listed.

4176
03:07:36,160 --> 03:07:38,399
They can you can receive uh training on

4177
03:07:38,399 --> 03:07:40,560
the energy energized Connecticut

4178
03:07:40,560 --> 03:07:42,319
programs. You can learn strategies to

4179
03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:44,080
encourage community participation,

4180
03:07:44,080 --> 03:07:46,479
support local and state climate goals,

4181
03:07:46,479 --> 03:07:48,960
connect uh with other participating

4182
03:07:48,960 --> 03:07:51,200
communities, and complete uh sustainable

4183
03:07:51,200 --> 03:07:53,279
Connecticut action items. Some of I'm

4184
03:07:53,279 --> 03:07:54,560
sorry, those are the benefits of the

4185
03:07:54,560 --> 03:07:58,080
program. My apologies. Um the the grant

4186
03:07:58,080 --> 03:08:00,319
that we're applying for will be in

4187
03:08:00,319 --> 03:08:01,680
partnership with the Talon County

4188
03:08:01,680 --> 03:08:03,680
Chamber to launch a small business

4189
03:08:03,680 --> 03:08:06,319
energy advantage program and that will

4190
03:08:06,319 --> 03:08:10,640
mostly be um advertising to local

4191
03:08:10,640 --> 03:08:13,600
businesses benefits uh that are already

4192
03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:16,479
available. So it's it's more of a um a

4193
03:08:16,479 --> 03:08:19,840
promotion than it is the funds won't go

4194
03:08:19,840 --> 03:08:23,040
towards any any energy projects. It'll

4195
03:08:23,040 --> 03:08:24,720
go towards promoting the energy projects

4196
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:28,389
that are already available.

4197
03:08:28,399 --> 03:08:31,040
» Any questions on that?

4198
03:08:31,040 --> 03:08:32,319
>> Sure.

4199
03:08:32,319 --> 03:08:34,399
>> So, when you say projects, is it

4200
03:08:34,399 --> 03:08:37,279
projects that are already in existence

4201
03:08:37,279 --> 03:08:39,920
or

4202
03:08:39,920 --> 03:08:41,680
>> programs? I I probably should have said

4203
03:08:41,680 --> 03:08:43,359
programs. I think I took a nap earlier,

4204
03:08:43,359 --> 03:08:46,160
so I uh apologize. I'm a little rusty,

4205
03:08:46,160 --> 03:08:49,359
but the the the programs that are

4206
03:08:49,359 --> 03:08:51,120
currently available, it will be

4207
03:08:51,120 --> 03:08:54,000
advertising to businesses that they can

4208
03:08:54,000 --> 03:08:56,720
take advantage of them.

4209
03:08:56,720 --> 03:08:58,800
>> And what programs

4210
03:08:58,800 --> 03:08:59,359
are available?

4211
03:08:59,359 --> 03:09:01,040
>> I don't know all of the programs right

4212
03:09:01,040 --> 03:09:02,960
now. So, when we when we receive the

4213
03:09:02,960 --> 03:09:05,200
funds, we'll be able to partner with the

4214
03:09:05,200 --> 03:09:10,560
um Energized Connecticut to promote them.

4215
03:09:10,560 --> 03:09:12,720
>> Okay. Thank you.

4216
03:09:12,720 --> 03:09:15,200
Anybody

4217
03:09:15,200 --> 03:09:17,279
else thoughts?

4218
03:09:17,279 --> 03:09:19,920
>> Just curious. Thank you for you. Will

4219
03:09:19,920 --> 03:09:22,160
our EID

4220
03:09:22,160 --> 03:09:25,040
um commission be involved with this?

4221
03:09:25,040 --> 03:09:27,279
It's partnering with Eversource, but

4222
03:09:27,279 --> 03:09:29,120
will they I know they were a big part

4223
03:09:29,120 --> 03:09:32,800
when we were started the solar project.

4224
03:09:32,800 --> 03:09:35,840
Will they be involved with this at all?

4225
03:09:35,840 --> 03:09:37,279
>> Through the mayor, they certainly won't

4226
03:09:37,279 --> 03:09:39,520
be excluded. The the programs that are

4227
03:09:39,520 --> 03:09:41,359
out there, there are no new programs.

4228
03:09:41,359 --> 03:09:42,880
This is just getting the word out about

4229
03:09:42,880 --> 03:09:43,920
those programs,

4230
03:09:43,920 --> 03:09:44,319
>> right?

4231
03:09:44,319 --> 03:09:46,800
>> So, they will be one of the entities

4232
03:09:46,800 --> 03:09:48,800
that are advised of the programs that

4233
03:09:48,800 --> 03:09:51,439
are out there, but again, it's the one

4234
03:09:51,439 --> 03:09:53,920
we're targeting is for um local

4235
03:09:53,920 --> 03:09:54,640
businesses,

4236
03:09:54,640 --> 03:09:56,560
>> right? But they could be like

4237
03:09:56,560 --> 03:09:57,520
ambassadors.

4238
03:09:57,520 --> 03:09:58,640
>> They certainly could be.

4239
03:09:58,640 --> 03:10:04,550
>> Great. Thank you.

4240
03:10:04,560 --> 03:10:08,800
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Will the expense

4241
03:10:08,800 --> 03:10:11,680
to apply for

4242
03:10:11,680 --> 03:10:15,439
distribute and report on this grant be

4243
03:10:15,439 --> 03:10:18,080
less than the monies that we received

4244
03:10:18,080 --> 03:10:20,319
from the grant in order does the grant

4245
03:10:20,319 --> 03:10:21,760
pay us more than what we have to spend

4246
03:10:21,760 --> 03:10:23,920
to apply for it and monitor it and

4247
03:10:23,920 --> 03:10:26,479
report on it

4248
03:10:26,479 --> 03:10:28,080
>> through the merit that's not our

4249
03:10:28,080 --> 03:10:29,680
anticipate we anticipate that it will

4250
03:10:29,680 --> 03:10:31,520
cover our our expenses

4251
03:10:31,520 --> 03:10:36,230
>> thank you

4252
03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:40,950
anybody else all in favor

4253
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:44,960
unanimous. Okay, let's move on to the

4254
03:10:44,960 --> 03:10:47,680
>> town council hereby authorizes Mayor

4255
03:10:47,680 --> 03:10:50,479
Daniel A. Champagne or his designate to

4256
03:10:50,479 --> 03:10:53,840
execute any and all documents needed to

4257
03:10:53,840 --> 03:10:57,439
apply for accept and administer funds

4258
03:10:57,439 --> 03:11:00,000
associated with Department of Children

4259
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:03,359
and Families Youth Services Bureau

4260
03:11:03,359 --> 03:11:04,960
grant.

4261
03:11:04,960 --> 03:11:07,279
>> Seconded by Laura. You want to tell us

4262
03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:32,710
about it?

4263
03:11:32,720 --> 03:11:35,279
Okay. Is that better? Sorry about that.

4264
03:11:35,279 --> 03:11:39,600
Okay. Um, the DCF YSB grant um is a

4265
03:11:39,600 --> 03:11:41,680
grant that we apply for and receive

4266
03:11:41,680 --> 03:11:45,439
every year. It funds our YSB after

4267
03:11:45,439 --> 03:11:47,040
school program coordinator, one of our

4268
03:11:47,040 --> 03:11:49,840
youth workers, their benefits. Um, it

4269
03:11:49,840 --> 03:11:53,760
also funds our supplies, transportation,

4270
03:11:53,760 --> 03:11:56,399
um, food, all of our program related

4271
03:11:56,399 --> 03:12:00,950
costs.

4272
03:12:00,960 --> 03:12:01,760
» Anybody else?

4273
03:12:01,760 --> 03:12:03,520
>> Any questions?

4274
03:12:03,520 --> 03:12:07,750
>> No. All in favor?

4275
03:12:07,760 --> 03:12:14,790
» Thank you. Sorry about that.

4276
03:12:14,800 --> 03:12:17,760
» The town council hereby authorizes Mayor

4277
03:12:17,760 --> 03:12:20,800
Daniel Champagne to apply for and

4278
03:12:20,800 --> 03:12:25,760
receive the 4-year ending 27 driving

4279
03:12:25,760 --> 03:12:28,319
under the influence DUI enforcement

4280
03:12:28,319 --> 03:12:30,720
grant administered by the Connecticut

4281
03:12:30,720 --> 03:12:33,840
Department of Transportation and further

4282
03:12:33,840 --> 03:12:36,399
authorizes Mayor Daniel A. Champagne or

4283
03:12:36,399 --> 03:12:38,560
his designate to sign any and all

4284
03:12:38,560 --> 03:12:50,309
documents for saying hold on.

4285
03:12:50,319 --> 03:12:54,640
So, we're add 27

4286
03:12:54,640 --> 03:12:57,120
that you skip missed those two sections.

4287
03:12:57,120 --> 03:13:02,870
All right. Second by Terry.

4288
03:13:02,880 --> 03:13:04,640
What's that?

4289
03:13:04,640 --> 03:13:06,080
All right. Questions about this?

4290
03:13:06,080 --> 03:13:08,399
Obviously, it's a grant to go after

4291
03:13:08,399 --> 03:13:10,800
drunk drivers.

4292
03:13:10,800 --> 03:13:12,560
>> Mike,

4293
03:13:12,560 --> 03:13:15,359
you may. Good evening, sir. Uh I know we

4294
03:13:15,359 --> 03:13:17,279
apply for this every year and usually

4295
03:13:17,279 --> 03:13:21,040
get it on average during the campaign.

4296
03:13:21,040 --> 03:13:24,319
You send this up. How many people do we

4297
03:13:24,319 --> 03:13:27,600
need to arrest through the mayor? So the

4298
03:13:27,600 --> 03:13:29,359
uh there's no specific campaign time

4299
03:13:29,359 --> 03:13:31,680
when it comes to this. Throughout the

4300
03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:33,840
entire course of the year we are looking

4301
03:13:33,840 --> 03:13:36,000
at uh this fiscal year. I think the last

4302
03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:37,680
time excuse me this calendar year we're

4303
03:13:37,680 --> 03:13:39,840
well over 100 DWI arrests for this

4304
03:13:39,840 --> 03:13:42,319
calendar year. As a matter of fact, this

4305
03:13:42,319 --> 03:13:44,880
grant helps us helps us to meet the

4306
03:13:44,880 --> 03:13:47,439
standard that we are again receiving the

4307
03:13:47,439 --> 03:13:50,080
statewide award for the most of our DWI

4308
03:13:50,080 --> 03:13:53,439
by any department of our size

4309
03:13:53,439 --> 03:13:57,359
that award on Friday actually enforcing

4310
03:13:57,359 --> 03:13:59,120
the influence of marijuana.

4311
03:13:59,120 --> 03:14:02,790
>> Absolutely sir

4312
03:14:02,800 --> 03:14:03,279
for that

4313
03:14:03,279 --> 03:14:04,399
>> through the mayor. We have multiple

4314
03:14:04,399 --> 03:14:06,000
officers that are certified as drug

4315
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:07,840
recognition experts. Uh I believe we

4316
03:14:07,840 --> 03:14:09,359
have five at this time including one of

4317
03:14:09,359 --> 03:14:11,840
them was an instructor in the course.

4318
03:14:11,840 --> 03:14:14,800
>> Very good sir. Thank you.

4319
03:14:14,800 --> 03:14:17,200
>> Anybody else?

4320
03:14:17,200 --> 03:14:24,150
>> All in favor?

4321
03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:26,720
The town of Vernon hereby authorizes

4322
03:14:26,720 --> 03:14:31,359
Mayor Daniel to apply for and receive

4323
03:14:31,359 --> 03:14:35,359
the fiscal year 27 distracted driving

4324
03:14:35,359 --> 03:14:38,000
high visibility enforcement grant

4325
03:14:38,000 --> 03:14:41,359
program administered by the Connecticut

4326
03:14:41,359 --> 03:14:44,960
Department of Transportation DO.

4327
03:14:44,960 --> 03:14:47,520
Further, the town council authorizes

4328
03:14:47,520 --> 03:14:50,640
Mayor Daniel A. campaign is designated

4329
03:14:50,640 --> 03:14:54,000
to sign any and all documents for

4330
03:14:54,000 --> 03:14:57,120
>> second by

4331
03:14:57,120 --> 03:15:01,110
questions on this.

4332
03:15:01,120 --> 03:15:08,550
» Thank you. I'm just curiously

4333
03:15:08,560 --> 03:15:12,790
distraction

4334
03:15:12,800 --> 03:15:14,880
» through the absolutely cell phone use

4335
03:15:14,880 --> 03:15:25,269
either texting or talking. Yes.

4336
03:15:25,279 --> 03:15:26,880
Just for clarification, this is the

4337
03:15:26,880 --> 03:15:28,720
whole year, right? Like the previous

4338
03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:30,319
one,

4339
03:15:30,319 --> 03:15:39,990
>> the mayor correct? Yes, sir.

4340
03:15:40,000 --> 03:15:44,550
» Bluetooth

4341
03:15:44,560 --> 03:15:47,359
the mayor. That is not a aspect of the

4342
03:15:47,359 --> 03:15:49,120
distracted driving law unless you were

4343
03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:50,720
using that touch screen that's causing

4344
03:15:50,720 --> 03:15:52,160
in some way that's causing you to lose

4345
03:15:52,160 --> 03:15:54,640
focus on the runway.

4346
03:15:54,640 --> 03:16:01,590
>> Thank you.

4347
03:16:01,600 --> 03:16:04,239
for coming. Um question, how

4348
03:16:04,239 --> 03:16:06,640
do you know distracted driving? Are you

4349
03:16:06,640 --> 03:16:09,120
looking at heads down? Do you guys have

4350
03:16:09,120 --> 03:16:11,600
in your vehicle some type of device that

4351
03:16:11,600 --> 03:16:14,080
I mean

4352
03:16:14,080 --> 03:16:16,239
through the To identify distracted

4353
03:16:16,239 --> 03:16:17,760
drivers, there's multiple ways of doing

4354
03:16:17,760 --> 03:16:19,600
it, but it is by the observation of the

4355
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:21,600
officer. Typically, it's observing the

4356
03:16:21,600 --> 03:16:24,399
specific behavior of the driver. Um,

4357
03:16:24,399 --> 03:16:26,080
usually because we can see them as we

4358
03:16:26,080 --> 03:16:27,439
pull up next to them sitting at a

4359
03:16:27,439 --> 03:16:28,960
traffic light. They're sitting there

4360
03:16:28,960 --> 03:16:30,319
typing on their phone. It's pretty

4361
03:16:30,319 --> 03:16:34,880
obvious. Um, also if a driver

4362
03:16:34,880 --> 03:16:36,640
stopping them for some other reason,

4363
03:16:36,640 --> 03:16:39,040
we'll have drivers that will fast

4364
03:16:39,040 --> 03:16:41,279
because I was talking

4365
03:16:41,279 --> 03:16:43,439
to distracted driving.

4366
03:16:43,439 --> 03:16:44,960
worse ways to do it, but it's by the

4367
03:16:44,960 --> 03:16:46,800
officer's observation. Thank you very

4368
03:16:46,800 --> 03:16:52,870
much.

4369
03:16:52,880 --> 03:16:57,990
» Such as putting your makeup on like this

4370
03:16:58,000 --> 03:17:01,760
for a movie

4371
03:17:01,760 --> 03:17:04,560
sitting on your steering wheel

4372
03:17:04,560 --> 03:17:06,080
and a couple other things I've seen over

4373
03:17:06,080 --> 03:17:10,469
the years.

4374
03:17:10,479 --> 03:17:14,790
texting while driving

4375
03:17:14,800 --> 03:17:17,359
» absolutely texting while driving is

4376
03:17:17,359 --> 03:17:24,309
hugely dangerous

4377
03:17:24,319 --> 03:17:26,319
probably going to be one of the most

4378
03:17:26,319 --> 03:17:29,439
cost causes for accidents it's just

4379
03:17:29,439 --> 03:17:30,960
coming

4380
03:17:30,960 --> 03:17:32,479
to

4381
03:17:32,479 --> 03:17:36,560
>> thank you mayor question how is that

4382
03:17:36,560 --> 03:17:39,200
burn

4383
03:17:39,200 --> 03:17:41,600
the Just just to clarify, how prevalent

4384
03:17:41,600 --> 03:17:44,319
is distracted driving? Distracted

4385
03:17:44,319 --> 03:17:46,479
driving is prevalent in every community

4386
03:17:46,479 --> 03:17:48,960
throughout this country. Um it's it's

4387
03:17:48,960 --> 03:17:50,880
common on any roadway. It's common on

4388
03:17:50,880 --> 03:17:53,279
any any highway, limited access highway.

4389
03:17:53,279 --> 03:17:54,479
You're going to find people doing it all

4390
03:17:54,479 --> 03:17:56,960
the time. It's a societal issue that

4391
03:17:56,960 --> 03:17:59,040
enforcement is one part of the process

4392
03:17:59,040 --> 03:18:01,680
to end this. Education is another aspect

4393
03:18:01,680 --> 03:18:03,840
of it too, but specifically this grant

4394
03:18:03,840 --> 03:18:05,840
is on the enforcement.

4395
03:18:05,840 --> 03:18:08,479
you see a rise in that

4396
03:18:08,479 --> 03:18:10,239
specific

4397
03:18:10,239 --> 03:18:11,920
I don't have statistics in front of me

4398
03:18:11,920 --> 03:18:13,680
as far as number of accidents that are

4399
03:18:13,680 --> 03:18:15,920
directly related to distracted driving

4400
03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:17,439
which is usually the statistic that's

4401
03:18:17,439 --> 03:18:19,920
used to determine if it's being used

4402
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:23,040
more or not more and more of a problem

4403
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:25,520
there is a human factor of adaptation to

4404
03:18:25,520 --> 03:18:28,000
technology that does play into it so I

4405
03:18:28,000 --> 03:18:29,680
couldn't tell you if it's increasing or

4406
03:18:29,680 --> 03:18:32,080
not but it's still consistently helping

4407
03:18:32,080 --> 03:18:35,279
>> I'm just asking because I see you don't

4408
03:18:35,279 --> 03:18:36,960
That's what I was going to say.

4409
03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:38,160
>> But you're driving down the road, you'll

4410
03:18:38,160 --> 03:18:39,439
see it all over the place now.

4411
03:18:39,439 --> 03:18:41,120
>> I mean, I stop at green light all the

4412
03:18:41,120 --> 03:18:42,960
time because of people. So, I'm just

4413
03:18:42,960 --> 03:18:45,200
more of a curiosity than numbers. Thank

4414
03:18:45,200 --> 03:18:46,960
you.

4415
03:18:46,960 --> 03:18:48,640
If I just add a point, too, for is

4416
03:18:48,640 --> 03:18:49,920
everyone's information when you're

4417
03:18:49,920 --> 03:18:51,600
stopped at a traffic light or a stop

4418
03:18:51,600 --> 03:18:53,439
sign. This is where the public as well.

4419
03:18:53,439 --> 03:18:55,680
That's still operating vehicle. That's

4420
03:18:55,680 --> 03:18:57,600
still you're not supposed to be on your

4421
03:18:57,600 --> 03:18:58,640
cell phone. You're not supposed to be

4422
03:18:58,640 --> 03:19:00,560
texting when you're stopped at a traffic

4423
03:19:00,560 --> 03:19:02,319
light.

4424
03:19:02,319 --> 03:19:05,200
>> Thank you. Anybody

4425
03:19:05,200 --> 03:19:09,110
else?

4426
03:19:09,120 --> 03:19:14,309
» All in favor?

4427
03:19:14,319 --> 03:19:17,200
» The town council hereby authorizes Mayor

4428
03:19:17,200 --> 03:19:20,319
Daniel. Champagne to apply for and

4429
03:19:20,319 --> 03:19:24,160
receive the fiscal year or ticket

4430
03:19:24,160 --> 03:19:27,279
enforcement grant administered by

4431
03:19:27,279 --> 03:19:29,680
Connecticut Department of Transportation

4432
03:19:29,680 --> 03:19:32,239
DOT. Further, the town council

4433
03:19:32,239 --> 03:19:38,319
authorizes Mayor Daniel A. Champagne for his

4434
03:19:38,319 --> 03:19:51,110
to sign any and all documents for

4435
03:19:51,120 --> 03:19:57,750
You said you didn't say

4436
03:19:57,760 --> 03:20:03,830
» 27. Okay.

4437
03:20:03,840 --> 03:20:13,429
» Okay. Questions on this one.

4438
03:20:13,439 --> 03:20:15,680
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Again, same

4439
03:20:15,680 --> 03:20:17,760
question. This grant is not on the lower

4440
03:20:17,760 --> 03:20:20,479
end. It's $5,000 maximum that the town

4441
03:20:20,479 --> 03:20:23,200
of Bernie can get. Um will that exceed

4442
03:20:23,200 --> 03:20:27,680
the expense uh incurred by applying for

4443
03:20:27,680 --> 03:20:29,520
uh reporting on and completing all the

4444
03:20:29,520 --> 03:20:31,359
paperwork needed to get that amount of

4445
03:20:31,359 --> 03:20:33,520
money

4446
03:20:33,520 --> 03:20:36,640
>> that will be the dollar amount used to

4447
03:20:36,640 --> 03:20:38,960
report on this is nowhere near the grant

4448
03:20:38,960 --> 03:20:40,960
that we would receive.

4449
03:20:40,960 --> 03:20:45,760
>> Thank you. Anybody else?

4450
03:20:45,760 --> 03:20:47,760
>> I just want to thank you for having the

4451
03:20:47,760 --> 03:20:50,080
language that says this is a

4452
03:20:50,080 --> 03:20:52,319
reimbursement and there are no matching

4453
03:20:52,319 --> 03:20:56,239
funds required. So it eliminated

4454
03:20:56,239 --> 03:20:58,080
question in our mind. So I appreciate

4455
03:20:58,080 --> 03:21:01,200
it. Thank you.

4456
03:21:01,200 --> 03:21:02,880
>> These are all reimbursement grants with

4457
03:21:02,880 --> 03:21:06,000
no matching funds. It's forunately the

4458
03:21:06,000 --> 03:21:07,760
state is still recognizing how important

4459
03:21:07,760 --> 03:21:09,439
these types of funds are in these

4460
03:21:09,439 --> 03:21:10,960
efforts.

4461
03:21:10,960 --> 03:21:12,880
Anybody

4462
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:25,110
else?

4463
03:21:25,120 --> 03:21:28,560
» The town council hereby authorizes Mayor

4464
03:21:28,560 --> 03:21:32,000
Daniel A. champagne to apply for and

4465
03:21:32,000 --> 03:21:37,439
receive the fiscal year 26 DR

4466
03:21:37,439 --> 03:21:41,600
drug recognition expert instructor grant

4467
03:21:41,600 --> 03:21:43,920
administered by the Connecticut

4468
03:21:43,920 --> 03:21:47,120
Department of Transportation DOT.

4469
03:21:47,120 --> 03:21:49,920
Further, the town council authorizes

4470
03:21:49,920 --> 03:21:53,279
Mayor Daniel a champagne or his

4471
03:21:53,279 --> 03:21:56,640
designate to sign all any and all

4472
03:21:56,640 --> 03:22:03,510
documents for sale.

4473
03:22:03,520 --> 03:22:06,000
I only

4474
03:22:06,000 --> 03:22:07,760
hearing it on just this side of my head.

4475
03:22:07,760 --> 03:22:09,760
So you say that I'm looking like that

4476
03:22:09,760 --> 03:22:12,640
wasn't him.

4477
03:22:12,640 --> 03:22:16,800
All right. Second by

4478
03:22:16,800 --> 03:22:18,080
these are the guys that look for the

4479
03:22:18,080 --> 03:22:19,920
those under the influence of drugs. And

4480
03:22:19,920 --> 03:22:21,840
I'll tell you what, if we can have all

4481
03:22:21,840 --> 03:22:25,040
of our second third shift guys certified

4482
03:22:25,040 --> 03:22:26,880
and then move on to day ship, I'd be

4483
03:22:26,880 --> 03:22:28,319
happy. if they want to give us a grant

4484
03:22:28,319 --> 03:22:30,479
and send these guys off to it and if we

4485
03:22:30,479 --> 03:22:32,720
had an instructor that's great you can

4486
03:22:32,720 --> 03:22:35,520
instruct the other guys at the PD.

4487
03:22:35,520 --> 03:22:43,670
forget about this one.

4488
03:22:43,680 --> 03:22:45,359
» This is this is the person they're

4489
03:22:45,359 --> 03:22:46,479
testing to see if you're under the

4490
03:22:46,479 --> 03:22:48,560
influence while you're driving.

4491
03:22:48,560 --> 03:22:52,630
>> Oh, like the

4492
03:22:52,640 --> 03:22:54,479
answer to that. Drug recognition

4493
03:22:54,479 --> 03:22:57,040
certification is actually an extensive

4494
03:22:57,040 --> 03:22:58,800
course to be able to identif for an

4495
03:22:58,800 --> 03:23:00,640
officer to be trained to be certified to

4496
03:23:00,640 --> 03:23:02,800
identify not only the fact if an

4497
03:23:02,800 --> 03:23:04,399
individual is under the influence of

4498
03:23:04,399 --> 03:23:07,040
some type of drug other than alcohol but

4499
03:23:07,040 --> 03:23:08,800
even to break it down to what type of

4500
03:23:08,800 --> 03:23:12,000
narcotic depressant

4501
03:23:12,000 --> 03:23:13,680
through blood pressure through screening

4502
03:23:13,680 --> 03:23:16,160
through exams through different types of

4503
03:23:16,160 --> 03:23:17,680
movements. It's actually a full drug

4504
03:23:17,680 --> 03:23:20,080
recognition evaluation of someone can

4505
03:23:20,080 --> 03:23:22,160
actually take close to an hour to do it.

4506
03:23:22,160 --> 03:23:25,040
The training is about 80 to 100 hours

4507
03:23:25,040 --> 03:23:26,399
for each individual officer to go

4508
03:23:26,399 --> 03:23:29,040
through the training.

4509
03:23:29,040 --> 03:23:31,840
>> Do they also

4510
03:23:31,840 --> 03:23:36,550
instruct or

4511
03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:38,640
medical condition also look the same way

4512
03:23:38,640 --> 03:23:44,950
you're diabetic you reaction low

4513
03:23:44,960 --> 03:23:46,399
through the merit that's actually part

4514
03:23:46,399 --> 03:23:49,279
of every type of under the influence

4515
03:23:49,279 --> 03:23:52,080
training from basic DWI through uh the

4516
03:23:52,080 --> 03:23:54,239
advanced a training system that

4517
03:23:54,239 --> 03:23:55,600
knowledge is very well known by all the

4518
03:23:55,600 --> 03:23:57,040
officers and all officers across the

4519
03:23:57,040 --> 03:24:03,030
state.

4520
03:24:03,040 --> 03:24:05,279
Thank you. I just want to say thank you

4521
03:24:05,279 --> 03:24:07,760
mayor and chief for

4522
03:24:07,760 --> 03:24:29,830
submitt

4523
03:24:29,840 --> 03:24:31,920
all of these grants in general the ones

4524
03:24:31,920 --> 03:24:33,520
leading up to this one are all for

4525
03:24:33,520 --> 03:24:35,359
addition enforcement

4526
03:24:35,359 --> 03:24:36,720
specifically for those types of

4527
03:24:36,720 --> 03:24:38,640
violations. My officers are always

4528
03:24:38,640 --> 03:24:39,760
looking for all those types of

4529
03:24:39,760 --> 03:24:41,439
violations, but these grants give us the

4530
03:24:41,439 --> 03:24:44,080
opportunity to take extra officers, put

4531
03:24:44,080 --> 03:24:45,520
them on the road, and look specifically

4532
03:24:45,520 --> 03:24:48,080
for these. So, we're always looking for

4533
03:24:48,080 --> 03:24:50,000
them in general. Just give us the extra

4534
03:24:50,000 --> 03:24:51,920
to be able to do it. This last one in

4535
03:24:51,920 --> 03:24:54,560
particular allows us to not have to eat

4536
03:24:54,560 --> 03:24:57,200
the personnel cost of having our one

4537
03:24:57,200 --> 03:24:59,600
certified instructor in this go to help

4538
03:24:59,600 --> 03:25:02,000
teach the class, which allows which gave

4539
03:25:02,000 --> 03:25:05,200
us set up for the past and be able to

4540
03:25:05,200 --> 03:25:06,800
training and be able to get that higher

4541
03:25:06,800 --> 03:25:09,200
level of certification to do it. So if

4542
03:25:09,200 --> 03:25:12,479
this last if the first grants disappear,

4543
03:25:12,479 --> 03:25:13,680
we're still going to do those types of

4544
03:25:13,680 --> 03:25:15,279
efforts. I would be coming to the

4545
03:25:15,279 --> 03:25:16,880
council potentially to try to find extra

4546
03:25:16,880 --> 03:25:18,399
funds to do it. I'm not anticipating

4547
03:25:18,399 --> 03:25:20,640
that anytime in the near future. This

4548
03:25:20,640 --> 03:25:22,399
last one, you have to look back and see

4549
03:25:22,399 --> 03:25:25,120
how many how much cost this really was

4550
03:25:25,120 --> 03:25:27,200
uh and have an evaluation at that point,

4551
03:25:27,200 --> 03:25:28,880
but it helps us and it makes a lot

4552
03:25:28,880 --> 03:25:30,319
easier for us to say, "Yep, you can take

4553
03:25:30,319 --> 03:25:33,120
our officer for, you know, up to four

4554
03:25:33,120 --> 03:25:35,359
weeks off the road and be able to cover

4555
03:25:35,359 --> 03:25:42,150
their cost."

4556
03:25:42,160 --> 03:25:44,720
And so, we just want to make sure that

4557
03:25:44,720 --> 03:25:47,920
you have what you need.

4558
03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:52,080
Thank you. Anybody else?

4559
03:25:52,080 --> 03:25:52,319
All

4560
03:25:52,319 --> 03:25:58,389
>> favor.

4561
03:25:58,399 --> 03:26:03,349
So has the

4562
03:26:03,359 --> 03:26:04,720
basically wants us to look into a

4563
03:26:04,720 --> 03:26:08,000
homestead exemption or a couple other

4564
03:26:08,000 --> 03:26:11,520
towns have done this.

4565
03:26:11,520 --> 03:26:12,640
>> Okay.

4566
03:26:12,640 --> 03:26:16,560
I'm proposing that we um look into the

4567
03:26:16,560 --> 03:26:18,880
possibility of the home exemption

4568
03:26:18,880 --> 03:26:21,279
ordinance. Um

4569
03:26:21,279 --> 03:26:25,439
East Windsor has has one. Milford also I

4570
03:26:25,439 --> 03:26:27,680
noticed Stratford is starting up one.

4571
03:26:27,680 --> 03:26:30,560
There's another couple of other towns.

4572
03:26:30,560 --> 03:26:34,960
um with diesel today at 622 a gallon,

4573
03:26:34,960 --> 03:26:38,880
heating oil at 570 a gallon and

4574
03:26:38,880 --> 03:26:43,439
electricity at the rate that is um

4575
03:26:43,439 --> 03:26:45,439
and we know our our numbers are coming

4576
03:26:45,439 --> 03:26:50,000
in high. We know that the homes are

4577
03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:52,880
being actually

4578
03:26:52,880 --> 03:26:58,550
30,000 over asking price is the average.

4579
03:26:58,560 --> 03:27:01,600
So that inflates the value of the home.

4580
03:27:01,600 --> 03:27:04,399
Commercial is probably fairly level,

4581
03:27:04,399 --> 03:27:08,000
maybe 20%. But the houses are anywhere

4582
03:27:08,000 --> 03:27:13,200
from 60 to 90. So in order to

4583
03:27:13,200 --> 03:27:16,640
find some type of balance,

4584
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:20,080
I think we need to to look at having

4585
03:27:20,080 --> 03:27:22,880
some kind of homestead exception because

4586
03:27:22,880 --> 03:27:25,120
these assessments are going to hold for

4587
03:27:25,120 --> 03:27:27,760
five years. We have to

4588
03:27:27,760 --> 03:27:30,880
every five years. So they're high and we

4589
03:27:30,880 --> 03:27:34,319
haven't done anything with it. Um our

4590
03:27:34,319 --> 03:27:37,840
taxpayers suffer. So I think at this

4591
03:27:37,840 --> 03:27:41,520
point a broader based

4592
03:27:41,520 --> 03:27:44,880
um exemption for

4593
03:27:44,880 --> 03:27:47,680
single family, two family homes. They

4594
03:27:47,680 --> 03:27:49,520
have to be owner occupied. There's

4595
03:27:49,520 --> 03:27:52,479
certain stipulations with all of them.

4596
03:27:52,479 --> 03:27:56,239
Um, they can't be investment properties

4597
03:27:56,239 --> 03:28:00,640
or anything like that, but it would be

4598
03:28:00,640 --> 03:28:02,960
a resident that have been here 20 years.

4599
03:28:02,960 --> 03:28:05,200
Or it might be somebody that's been here

4600
03:28:05,200 --> 03:28:08,000
three years and has, you know, two kids

4601
03:28:08,000 --> 03:28:09,520
and

4602
03:28:09,520 --> 03:28:12,399
maybe single parent, maybe two, and they

4603
03:28:12,399 --> 03:28:14,160
just can't afford it. It would at least

4604
03:28:14,160 --> 03:28:19,359
help them to adjust with the high

4605
03:28:19,359 --> 03:28:22,239
assessment rate. So that's my thought

4606
03:28:22,239 --> 03:28:25,120
and I know I did send in some

4607
03:28:25,120 --> 03:28:27,040
information. I know there's another one

4608
03:28:27,040 --> 03:28:29,760
coming up which

4609
03:28:29,760 --> 03:28:33,510
I

4610
03:28:33,520 --> 03:28:36,399
what I'm finding is a lot of legislation

4611
03:28:36,399 --> 03:28:40,880
is coming through but unfortunately

4612
03:28:40,880 --> 03:28:43,200
when the legislation comes through to

4613
03:28:43,200 --> 03:28:45,520
the town

4614
03:28:45,520 --> 03:28:48,000
nothing is attached.

4615
03:28:48,000 --> 03:28:51,520
So then we have to something that's

4616
03:28:51,520 --> 03:28:55,120
gonna furnish what we've lost and now

4617
03:28:55,120 --> 03:28:58,870
have to provide.

4618
03:28:58,880 --> 03:29:00,800
But this here, we know, we know we're

4619
03:29:00,800 --> 03:29:02,880
going to be taxing them anyway. Um, I

4620
03:29:02,880 --> 03:29:04,560
know I had the percentage, but I don't

4621
03:29:04,560 --> 03:29:08,160
think I brought that paperwork with me.

4622
03:29:08,160 --> 03:29:11,520
But with the way it looks at the

4623
03:29:11,520 --> 03:29:15,040
ordinary residential taxpayer, it's

4624
03:29:15,040 --> 03:29:18,319
going to have a huge increase. So, I

4625
03:29:18,319 --> 03:29:21,200
think it's worth looking at and I'm

4626
03:29:21,200 --> 03:29:24,399
looking forward to discussing it at a

4627
03:29:24,399 --> 03:29:27,359
future meeting. Um, I think it's quarter

4628
03:29:27,359 --> 03:29:33,120
after 11 this evening. We still have

4629
03:29:33,120 --> 03:29:36,319
an executive session to do.

4630
03:29:36,319 --> 03:29:40,399
So, um, whatever. Thanks. So I think I

4631
03:29:40,399 --> 03:29:41,680
don't think it's a bad idea because the

4632
03:29:41,680 --> 03:29:44,720
house are coming to access

4633
03:29:44,720 --> 03:29:48,160
the homes and what we're talking about

4634
03:29:48,160 --> 03:29:50,319
is I would meet with the assessor sit

4635
03:29:50,319 --> 03:29:54,479
down and say I want you to look at this

4636
03:29:54,479 --> 03:29:56,560
bring your information on this. John's

4637
03:29:56,560 --> 03:29:58,960
going to do the same thing and kind of

4638
03:29:58,960 --> 03:30:00,880
see what we can do to kind of balance

4639
03:30:00,880 --> 03:30:03,439
out this massive increase that we could

4640
03:30:03,439 --> 03:30:05,520
possibly be looking at. But I want to

4641
03:30:05,520 --> 03:30:07,439
get the numbers from him and then see

4642
03:30:07,439 --> 03:30:10,560
what we can do about balancing bill

4643
03:30:10,560 --> 03:30:14,950
that way there's no sticker show.

4644
03:30:14,960 --> 03:30:16,560
» Yes.

4645
03:30:16,560 --> 03:30:18,399
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you for

4646
03:30:18,399 --> 03:30:19,760
bringing up the point that we need to

4647
03:30:19,760 --> 03:30:21,600
see some numbers that actually pertain

4648
03:30:21,600 --> 03:30:24,160
to the town of Vernon. what is this

4649
03:30:24,160 --> 03:30:26,239
going to

4650
03:30:26,239 --> 03:30:27,840
how this is going to impact total

4651
03:30:27,840 --> 03:30:31,520
revenue and understanding that um it

4652
03:30:31,520 --> 03:30:34,560
doesn't decrease the need for money the

4653
03:30:34,560 --> 03:30:38,800
revenue is going to shift so

4654
03:30:38,800 --> 03:30:39,920
you're still going to have to pay your

4655
03:30:39,920 --> 03:30:42,239
bills so I'd like to see how that kind

4656
03:30:42,239 --> 03:30:44,640
of flushes out how those numbers work

4657
03:30:44,640 --> 03:30:47,760
out and

4658
03:30:47,760 --> 03:30:49,359
I have to call out the elephant in the

4659
03:30:49,359 --> 03:30:51,040
room

4660
03:30:51,040 --> 03:30:52,800
I agree with the mayor this is a good

4661
03:30:52,800 --> 03:30:55,680
idea for us to look at, but we as a

4662
03:30:55,680 --> 03:30:59,200
council have to be transparent.

4663
03:30:59,200 --> 03:31:02,319
Everyone on this council owns a home.

4664
03:31:02,319 --> 03:31:06,399
And I am a renter, but we need to make

4665
03:31:06,399 --> 03:31:08,800
sure that the decisions that we make

4666
03:31:08,800 --> 03:31:10,479
that the community understands that

4667
03:31:10,479 --> 03:31:12,319
we're making this for the best of the

4668
03:31:12,319 --> 03:31:14,800
entire town.

4669
03:31:14,800 --> 03:31:26,550
That's super important.

4670
03:31:26,560 --> 03:31:28,640
I understand. I understand that this is

4671
03:31:28,640 --> 03:31:30,640
a balancing act from my understanding. I

4672
03:31:30,640 --> 03:31:32,800
have very little knowledge of this. My

4673
03:31:32,800 --> 03:31:35,520
only concern is that businesses that I

4674
03:31:35,520 --> 03:31:38,000
talked to around the town are actually

4675
03:31:38,000 --> 03:31:39,680
saying how much they're hurting. I think

4676
03:31:39,680 --> 03:31:41,120
a lot of people are hurting.

4677
03:31:41,120 --> 03:31:42,080
>> Everybody is.

4678
03:31:42,080 --> 03:31:44,640
>> Everybody's hurting. But if theirs is

4679
03:31:44,640 --> 03:31:46,880
jumping up, we're going to jump up this

4680
03:31:46,880 --> 03:31:49,200
high and this one stays down. I

4681
03:31:49,200 --> 03:31:51,200
understand, you know, homeowners are

4682
03:31:51,200 --> 03:31:53,200
basically the taxpayers of the town, but

4683
03:31:53,200 --> 03:31:55,520
there's also businesses, too. And I just

4684
03:31:55,520 --> 03:31:57,439
I would like to see the numbers and not

4685
03:31:57,439 --> 03:31:59,200
forget about the people that own

4686
03:31:59,200 --> 03:32:01,520
business.

4687
03:32:01,520 --> 03:32:04,000
That's a plan. This isn't a, you know,

4688
03:32:04,000 --> 03:32:06,640
homeowners are going to save.

4689
03:32:06,640 --> 03:32:11,120
This is a balance. Okay?

4690
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:12,880
Last time we had a rebound, we bounced

4691
03:32:12,880 --> 03:32:18,239
out of the we didn't very well

4692
03:32:18,239 --> 03:32:22,080
and that's the goal here. So, we put

4693
03:32:22,080 --> 03:32:25,920
this whole thing together and come out

4694
03:32:25,920 --> 03:32:28,479
and it's kind of like this, wait a

4695
03:32:28,479 --> 03:32:31,200
second, let's drop the bill, rate, write

4696
03:32:31,200 --> 03:32:32,399
this out, and I think we're going to be

4697
03:32:32,399 --> 03:32:35,279
good or we may need it. It's like this

4698
03:32:35,279 --> 03:32:36,800
and we want to kind of move it down like

4699
03:32:36,800 --> 03:32:39,520
that, but we need the numbers. We need

4700
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:41,680
to everything together. This is another

4701
03:32:41,680 --> 03:32:45,600
tool that we that you know Mar for I

4702
03:32:45,600 --> 03:32:47,600
think it's not a bad tool to look at.

4703
03:32:47,600 --> 03:32:50,720
It's just another thing in the in the

4704
03:32:50,720 --> 03:32:52,640
our basket.

4705
03:32:52,640 --> 03:32:55,439
So you know we are starting this whole

4706
03:32:55,439 --> 03:32:57,120
process and we're moving forward and I

4707
03:32:57,120 --> 03:33:00,479
think you know we bring it back and it

4708
03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:02,239
won't be next month. maybe in December,

4709
03:33:02,239 --> 03:33:04,640
maybe the beginning of January, but it

4710
03:33:04,640 --> 03:33:06,080
gives us something else for the budget

4711
03:33:06,080 --> 03:33:10,469
in March.

4712
03:33:10,479 --> 03:33:14,239
» Thank you. So, I think there's the

4713
03:33:14,239 --> 03:33:18,800
potential for that to be great, but um

4714
03:33:18,800 --> 03:33:21,760
numbers and I know we can't say for

4715
03:33:21,760 --> 03:33:25,920
sure, but one of my concerns is it won't

4716
03:33:25,920 --> 03:33:28,960
apply to

4717
03:33:28,960 --> 03:33:32,399
homes that are turned into apartments or

4718
03:33:32,399 --> 03:33:34,960
bigger apartment complexes because

4719
03:33:34,960 --> 03:33:36,800
they're not

4720
03:33:36,800 --> 03:33:39,680
occupied. My concern is what it will do

4721
03:33:39,680 --> 03:34:04,309
to rent if we raise commercial

4722
03:34:04,319 --> 03:34:06,720
» it's a balancing

4723
03:34:06,720 --> 03:34:08,080
>> and

4724
03:34:08,080 --> 03:34:17,670
I'm curious if any of the towns have a

4725
03:34:17,680 --> 03:34:30,710
position, but if I were

4726
03:34:30,720 --> 03:34:34,239
digging way too deep into the

4727
03:34:34,239 --> 03:34:36,160
do

4728
03:34:36,160 --> 03:34:39,520
I may come back and Yeah, this is okay.

4729
03:34:39,520 --> 03:34:41,680
But it's another idea. And you know

4730
03:34:41,680 --> 03:34:43,040
what? We might as well look at

4731
03:34:43,040 --> 03:34:45,840
everything. We live in Connecticut.

4732
03:34:45,840 --> 03:34:47,279
The price of things in Connecticut not

4733
03:34:47,279 --> 03:34:48,960
going down. We have a minimum wage

4734
03:34:48,960 --> 03:34:50,640
increase in January. And you know what's

4735
03:34:50,640 --> 03:34:52,399
going to happen? The cost of everything

4736
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:55,760
goes up in June. Everything

4737
03:34:55,760 --> 03:34:57,840
including the

4738
03:34:57,840 --> 03:35:01,040
minimum wage that goes up all of our all

4739
03:35:01,040 --> 03:35:03,279
our seasonal guys get a raise every

4740
03:35:03,279 --> 03:35:05,120
single year.

4741
03:35:05,120 --> 03:35:07,920
So we have to

4742
03:35:07,920 --> 03:35:09,600
Patricia,

4743
03:35:09,600 --> 03:35:11,439
>> thank you, Mr. Mayor. That's an

4744
03:35:11,439 --> 03:35:14,000
excellent point and I want to reiterate

4745
03:35:14,000 --> 03:35:20,319
the fact that what Mrs. Winkler said, I really need to know how much revenue

4746
03:35:20,319 --> 03:35:24,160
will we be giving up and where will that

4747
03:35:24,160 --> 03:35:26,800
revenue be made of?

4748
03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:28,080
That's super important.

4749
03:35:28,080 --> 03:35:29,520
>> It's always part of the balancing act

4750
03:35:29,520 --> 03:35:33,200
that I do with this. So,

4751
03:35:33,200 --> 03:35:35,120
we've been through it before.

4752
03:35:35,120 --> 03:35:37,840
>> Understood. Thank you. But also consider

4753
03:35:37,840 --> 03:35:40,319
that the example of East Windsor was

4754
03:35:40,319 --> 03:35:42,720
brought forward

4755
03:35:42,720 --> 03:35:45,200
is not East Windsor. There's so many

4756
03:35:45,200 --> 03:35:47,600
differences between the homeowner rate

4757
03:35:47,600 --> 03:35:50,160
here in Vernon and the homeowner rate in

4758
03:35:50,160 --> 03:35:54,080
East Windsor. It's app oranges. So just

4759
03:35:54,080 --> 03:35:56,239
because another town is doing it doesn't

4760
03:35:56,239 --> 03:35:58,479
mean it's something that's good for us.

4761
03:35:58,479 --> 03:36:00,800
>> Totally understandable.

4762
03:36:00,800 --> 03:36:09,910
Again, it's a tool that we may not use.

4763
03:36:09,920 --> 03:36:11,600
Thank you.

4764
03:36:11,600 --> 03:36:14,319
We need to be careful with this. My

4765
03:36:14,319 --> 03:36:18,630
personal feel

4766
03:36:18,640 --> 03:36:21,040
average medium household income is

4767
03:36:21,040 --> 03:36:27,830
$85,000.

4768
03:36:27,840 --> 03:36:29,840
What I'm worried about is like when we

4769
03:36:29,840 --> 03:36:31,439
were doing the budget, I was screaming

4770
03:36:31,439 --> 03:36:33,680
at the top of my lungs

4771
03:36:33,680 --> 03:36:38,150
using that money. Z

4772
03:36:38,160 --> 03:36:41,200
mayor reassured us that he

4773
03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:44,560
rate I warned you about this coming up

4774
03:36:44,560 --> 03:36:47,040
went up 60%

4775
03:36:47,040 --> 03:36:49,040
didn't go up as much which is what's

4776
03:36:49,040 --> 03:36:51,760
happened here

4777
03:36:51,760 --> 03:36:55,359
now we're facing the reality of it so

4778
03:36:55,359 --> 03:36:57,279
this

4779
03:36:57,279 --> 03:36:59,040
once this is implemented this is

4780
03:36:59,040 --> 03:37:01,040
permanent

4781
03:37:01,040 --> 03:37:02,720
okay this ain't going away

4782
03:37:02,720 --> 03:37:06,239
>> five years Okay. And then now you want

4783
03:37:06,239 --> 03:37:09,040
to give tax breaks to people at home

4784
03:37:09,040 --> 03:37:12,160
care and day care and all that stuff for

4785
03:37:12,160 --> 03:37:14,080
$1,000.

4786
03:37:14,080 --> 03:37:16,000
We have new schools that we want to pay

4787
03:37:16,000 --> 03:37:17,439
for that's coming up. We're going to be

4788
03:37:17,439 --> 03:37:19,840
buying that and everything. Um they just

4789
03:37:19,840 --> 03:37:24,319
think this it's a slippery slope.

4790
03:37:24,319 --> 03:37:26,080
We have to see the numbers and they have

4791
03:37:26,080 --> 03:37:28,640
to make sense

4792
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:30,000
because you're going to be surprised at

4793
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:31,600
how much these houses are going up.

4794
03:37:31,600 --> 03:37:32,720
That's what I was screaming at the

4795
03:37:32,720 --> 03:37:33,680
budget.

4796
03:37:33,680 --> 03:37:38,870
>> Well, what you screaming ision

4797
03:37:38,880 --> 03:37:41,279
right now,000

4798
03:37:41,279 --> 03:37:44,399
for next budget. Okay. That that is

4799
03:37:44,399 --> 03:37:46,239
there's a big difference between what

4800
03:37:46,239 --> 03:37:49,359
how that's going to affect.

4801
03:37:49,359 --> 03:37:51,520
So

4802
03:37:51,520 --> 03:37:56,950
again,

4803
03:37:56,960 --> 03:38:01,510
anybody else?

4804
03:38:01,520 --> 03:38:10,710
There's no one.

4805
03:38:10,720 --> 03:38:12,000
» No, no, we're not there yet. We have a

4806
03:38:12,000 --> 03:38:13,200
board discussion on boards and

4807
03:38:13,200 --> 03:38:14,960
commissions.

4808
03:38:14,960 --> 03:38:16,560
So on your desk there's there's the

4809
03:38:16,560 --> 03:38:19,279
sheet. We are going to take that and

4810
03:38:19,279 --> 03:38:22,000
we're going to put it on the website. So

4811
03:38:22,000 --> 03:38:24,239
basically any we're going to on the

4812
03:38:24,239 --> 03:38:25,760
website we're going to simplify it.

4813
03:38:25,760 --> 03:38:27,680
We're going to have the name of the

4814
03:38:27,680 --> 03:38:29,600
person on there. I think I don't want to

4815
03:38:29,600 --> 03:38:31,040
put the addresses or anything. We'll put

4816
03:38:31,040 --> 03:38:32,800
the name and we're going to have

4817
03:38:32,800 --> 03:38:34,399
vacancies

4818
03:38:34,399 --> 03:38:38,080
and it will be the name with either D or

4819
03:38:38,080 --> 03:38:40,720
you so that you can always understand

4820
03:38:40,720 --> 03:38:43,200
that. Again, my message in the next

4821
03:38:43,200 --> 03:38:45,279
magazine will be putting out that we're

4822
03:38:45,279 --> 03:38:47,760
still looking for board members.

4823
03:38:47,760 --> 03:38:49,359
We're constantly looking for board

4824
03:38:49,359 --> 03:38:54,319
members. It's never ending and we've had a couple

4825
03:38:54,319 --> 03:39:03,030
people in the past year.

4826
03:39:03,040 --> 03:39:07,279
So simple question

4827
03:39:07,279 --> 03:39:09,120
>> when you look at the list there are

4828
03:39:09,120 --> 03:39:11,120
places where it says vacancy due to

4829
03:39:11,120 --> 03:39:13,600
resation but there are other places

4830
03:39:13,600 --> 03:39:19,110
where it's just

4831
03:39:19,120 --> 03:39:25,590
so

4832
03:39:25,600 --> 03:39:29,910
there's no

4833
03:39:29,920 --> 03:39:31,680
So in the middle of the page, that's

4834
03:39:31,680 --> 03:39:39,190
where David

4835
03:39:39,200 --> 03:39:41,760
still goes to 27.

4836
03:39:41,760 --> 03:39:50,309
There's a number of them like

4837
03:39:50,319 --> 03:39:52,960
answer

4838
03:39:52,960 --> 03:40:10,469
thinks

4839
03:40:10,479 --> 03:40:11,439
Mr.

4840
03:40:11,439 --> 03:40:14,160
He did move up from alternate to a

4841
03:40:14,160 --> 03:40:18,000
regular member. I see. So anything that

4842
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:22,319
is out either the term has expired or

4843
03:40:22,319 --> 03:40:24,640
they moved up to an alter from an

4844
03:40:24,640 --> 03:40:27,120
alternate to a regular member or they

4845
03:40:27,120 --> 03:40:28,880
have resigned.

4846
03:40:28,880 --> 03:40:32,630
So any

4847
03:40:32,640 --> 03:40:36,080
person there is a vacancy for them.

4848
03:40:36,080 --> 03:40:41,750
>> Thank you. I miss that part that he

4849
03:40:41,760 --> 03:40:45,120
When this goes

4850
03:40:45,120 --> 03:40:47,439
on the website, well, it's kind of on

4851
03:40:47,439 --> 03:40:51,600
the website. Um, I have a request that

4852
03:40:51,600 --> 03:40:53,840
we

4853
03:40:53,840 --> 03:40:56,560
put.

4854
03:40:56,560 --> 03:40:59,279
Do they meet every Tuesday? Do they meet

4855
03:40:59,279 --> 03:41:03,590
once? because

4856
03:41:03,600 --> 03:41:08,550
they can become

4857
03:41:08,560 --> 03:41:10,720
something like that.

4858
03:41:10,720 --> 03:41:12,720
>> We do have a meeting schedule that must

4859
03:41:12,720 --> 03:41:16,160
be posted on February 1st of every year

4860
03:41:16,160 --> 03:41:18,880
and reach out to the boards and

4861
03:41:18,880 --> 03:41:20,640
commissions.

4862
03:41:20,640 --> 03:41:23,279
They must set their schedule because you

4863
03:41:23,279 --> 03:41:27,120
know that does list the date. Great.

4864
03:41:27,120 --> 03:41:29,200
That will help. So that's also on our

4865
03:41:29,200 --> 03:41:30,720
website.

4866
03:41:30,720 --> 03:41:31,600
That would be great.

4867
03:41:31,600 --> 03:41:33,359
>> But that's per statue. We have to do

4868
03:41:33,359 --> 03:41:36,720
that. So it's a separate document

4869
03:41:36,720 --> 03:41:50,389
that's supposed

4870
03:41:50,399 --> 03:41:54,720
to say cancelled due to no business or

4871
03:41:54,720 --> 03:42:00,550
cancel due to no

4872
03:42:00,560 --> 03:42:03,120
You know, some it seems like they're

4873
03:42:03,120 --> 03:42:08,870
always

4874
03:42:08,880 --> 03:42:11,439
» we post what they send us, you know, if

4875
03:42:11,439 --> 03:42:15,429
they cancel the meeting.

4876
03:42:15,439 --> 03:42:18,319
Sometimes they do

4877
03:42:18,319 --> 03:42:21,200
>> okay,

4878
03:42:21,200 --> 03:42:24,479
you know, but it would be hard to

4879
03:42:24,479 --> 03:42:27,200
understand why, you know, something

4880
03:42:27,200 --> 03:42:30,239
doesn't know like the fair commission.

4881
03:42:30,239 --> 03:42:33,200
Okay. Nobody's filed a complaint,

4882
03:42:33,200 --> 03:42:36,000
>> so there's no

4883
03:42:36,000 --> 03:42:40,640
others, you know, PCC is

4884
03:42:40,640 --> 03:42:45,830
maybe

4885
03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:49,600
if I may also certainly back to the list

4886
03:42:49,600 --> 03:42:51,120
of officials being posted on the

4887
03:42:51,120 --> 03:42:54,880
website. We do update this officials

4888
03:42:54,880 --> 03:42:58,720
list after every meeting in our office.

4889
03:42:58,720 --> 03:43:02,000
Um, we do post them to the website every

4890
03:43:02,000 --> 03:43:04,640
quarter. If you wish that to be done

4891
03:43:04,640 --> 03:43:08,720
more often, just let me know

4892
03:43:08,720 --> 03:43:10,880
to post them after every meeting. I

4893
03:43:10,880 --> 03:43:18,630
think

4894
03:43:18,640 --> 03:43:22,880
we have their dates that way.

4895
03:43:22,880 --> 03:43:25,279
Yeah, great. Thank you.

4896
03:43:25,279 --> 03:43:27,600
>> So, it's already there.

4897
03:43:27,600 --> 03:43:29,600
>> When I talked to David, he said, "Well,

4898
03:43:29,600 --> 03:43:49,429
this is on the website." And I he'll

4899
03:43:49,439 --> 03:43:59,830
look at you and say, "Did you read the

4900
03:43:59,840 --> 03:44:04,070
resility

4901
03:44:04,080 --> 03:44:11,429
as just resil.

4902
03:44:11,439 --> 03:44:19,429
prevents commissions.

4903
03:44:19,439 --> 03:44:21,760
We have a very few that there's leaison

4904
03:44:21,760 --> 03:44:26,309
between

4905
03:44:26,319 --> 03:44:40,550
those commissu

4906
03:44:40,560 --> 03:44:42,640
I think she had a couple weeks that was

4907
03:44:42,640 --> 03:44:43,279
the case.

4908
03:44:43,279 --> 03:44:46,160
>> Okay.

4909
03:44:46,160 --> 03:44:48,479
>> That has happened in the past because I

4910
03:44:48,479 --> 03:44:50,399
was worried that there was going to be a

4911
03:44:50,399 --> 03:44:53,279
lawsuit.

4912
03:44:53,279 --> 03:44:59,990
>> Okay.

4913
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:01,920
» So my second question is how do you

4914
03:45:01,920 --> 03:45:05,040
become like one of the

4915
03:45:05,040 --> 03:45:18,710
process or application? If it's avoid

4916
03:45:18,720 --> 03:45:29,189
so it's easy.

4917
03:45:29,199 --> 03:45:31,359
» Thank you Mr. Mayor. At some point if we

4918
03:45:31,359 --> 03:45:34,160
could just look at a way that we could

4919
03:45:34,160 --> 03:45:42,229
have been doing it everywhere.

4920
03:45:42,239 --> 03:45:44,399
Facebook

4921
03:45:44,399 --> 03:45:45,840
direct

4922
03:45:45,840 --> 03:45:48,560
>> magazine magazine goes to every single

4923
03:45:48,560 --> 03:45:49,600
house

4924
03:45:49,600 --> 03:45:51,520
>> just a point of just a point of

4925
03:45:51,520 --> 03:45:55,110
observation

4926
03:45:55,120 --> 03:45:57,359
» I just want to ask you about what you

4927
03:45:57,359 --> 03:45:59,600
just said about

4928
03:45:59,600 --> 03:46:01,199
influencing

4929
03:46:01,199 --> 03:46:04,239
members of

4930
03:46:04,239 --> 03:46:05,680
my

4931
03:46:05,680 --> 03:46:08,319
If there's a development issue across

4932
03:46:08,319 --> 03:46:11,359
the street from me

4933
03:46:11,359 --> 03:46:15,510
and directly

4934
03:46:15,520 --> 03:46:18,479
do I lose my right as a citizen to speak

4935
03:46:18,479 --> 03:46:27,990
up

4936
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:29,840
» I mean

4937
03:46:29,840 --> 03:46:31,439
you know

4938
03:46:31,439 --> 03:46:33,359
>> we are always subject to the ethics and

4939
03:46:33,359 --> 03:46:34,880
we always have to be careful about

4940
03:46:34,880 --> 03:46:36,800
influencing the people

4941
03:46:36,800 --> 03:46:39,439
>> you know

4942
03:46:39,439 --> 03:46:41,520
if you go and say hey I'm just I live

4943
03:46:41,520 --> 03:46:43,600
here I'm not

4944
03:46:43,600 --> 03:46:46,640
compared to

4945
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:48,319
more

4946
03:46:48,319 --> 03:46:50,399
>> you don't know keep it simple

4947
03:46:50,399 --> 03:46:56,309
>> keep

4948
03:46:56,319 --> 03:47:01,439
» doesn't mean that somebody can't file so

4949
03:47:01,439 --> 03:47:04,399
any more on the I got off a little bit

4950
03:47:04,399 --> 03:47:07,760
there any more on this. So it is on the

4951
03:47:07,760 --> 03:47:12,309
website already

4952
03:47:12,319 --> 03:47:15,359
go through the website.

4953
03:47:15,359 --> 03:47:17,840
All right. There is no motion. Let's go

4954
03:47:17,840 --> 03:47:19,359
to

4955
03:47:19,359 --> 03:47:21,920
let's do the first and then we'll go to

4956
03:47:21,920 --> 03:47:24,160
second.

4957
03:47:24,160 --> 03:47:26,239
>> The town council waves the reading of

4958
03:47:26,239 --> 03:47:28,800
the minutes of the regular town council

4959
03:47:28,800 --> 03:47:32,960
meeting of August 18th, 2026 and moves

4960
03:47:32,960 --> 03:47:34,000
to

4961
03:47:34,000 --> 03:47:38,469
minutes.

4962
03:47:38,479 --> 03:47:39,920
» All right. Are there any corrections or

4963
03:47:39,920 --> 03:47:42,239
deletions?

4964
03:47:42,239 --> 03:47:44,800
>> All in favor?

4965
03:47:44,800 --> 03:47:47,199
Unanimous.

4966
03:47:47,199 --> 03:47:59,349
>> The town council pursuant to the author

4967
03:47:59,359 --> 03:48:03,120
session to discuss the following. Real

4968
03:48:03,120 --> 03:48:07,520
estate and personal property tax appeal

4969
03:48:07,520 --> 03:48:10,479
docket number HHB

4970
03:48:10,479 --> 03:48:14,800
CB 26 6106

4971
03:48:14,800 --> 03:48:18,229
6921

4972
03:48:18,239 --> 03:48:20,640
network

4973
03:48:20,640 --> 03:48:24,800
of Vernon and John Wle

4974
03:48:24,800 --> 03:48:29,359
town administrator and town attorney

4975
03:48:29,359 --> 03:48:31,680
to attend

4976
03:48:31,680 --> 03:48:39,590
by all those in

4977
03:48:39,600 --> 03:48:41,120
» we'll be back for anybody that wants to

4978
03:48:41,120 --> 03:48:49,030
stick around.

4979
03:48:49,040 --> 03:48:52,800
The town council authorizes the town

4980
03:48:52,800 --> 03:48:56,160
attorney Louis Auchini

4981
03:48:56,160 --> 03:48:59,359
to settle the tax appeal caption network

4982
03:48:59,359 --> 03:49:03,120
incororated versus town of Vernon under

4983
03:49:03,120 --> 03:49:07,279
which network incorporated M3

4984
03:49:07,279 --> 03:49:10,640
tax exempt application dated October

4985
03:49:10,640 --> 03:49:15,279
29th 2025 filed with the town of Bernie

4986
03:49:15,279 --> 03:49:17,359
in connection with the grand

4987
03:49:17,359 --> 03:49:20,160
October 1st, 2025

4988
03:49:20,160 --> 03:49:25,199
is deemed granted and the subject real

4989
03:49:25,199 --> 03:49:29,199
and personal properties located

4990
03:49:29,199 --> 03:49:32,800
and designated as 145 Center Road,

4991
03:49:32,800 --> 03:49:36,000
Vernon, Connecticut. 14 Jeff Road,

4992
03:49:36,000 --> 03:49:38,960
Vernon, Connecticut. and three personal

4993
03:49:38,960 --> 03:49:41,520
property accounts

4994
03:49:41,520 --> 03:49:44,000
number 2022

4995
03:49:44,000 --> 03:49:47,359
215 per declaration

4996
03:49:47,359 --> 03:49:53,199
and M3 exemption application are

4997
03:49:53,199 --> 03:49:56,880
exempted from taxation pursuant to

4998
03:49:56,880 --> 03:50:01,520
Connecticut General Statute 12-81

4999
03:50:01,520 --> 03:50:05,920
on the grand list of October 1st 2025

5000
03:50:05,920 --> 03:50:09,349
through October 1st

5001
03:50:09,359 --> 03:50:11,920
Subject to adjustment only where

5002
03:50:11,920 --> 03:50:15,279
otherwise permitted by law or unless

5003
03:50:15,279 --> 03:50:18,319
there is a material change to the

5004
03:50:18,319 --> 03:50:24,070
property.

5005
03:50:24,080 --> 03:50:28,630
Second by

5006
03:50:28,640 --> 03:50:33,349
thing

5007
03:50:33,359 --> 03:50:36,239
to

5008
03:50:36,239 --> 03:50:39,239
favor.