[0:00] this is this is pertaining to the
2019-20 budgets roll call please
[0:14] Schultz here trustee Oppenheim here
trustee burn I mean I'm sorry trustee
[0:27] here trustee Marquardt here trustee
takaoka here trustee Brown here
[0:34] president burn all right we have a
quorum present maybe we want to speak to
[0:42] the budget our annual budget public
hearing and this is the start of it
[0:56] nothing else I'll speak to the fact that
Anna and Larry who's not here tonight
[1:02] did an outstanding job pulling it
together and looks like we're in good
[1:10] shape coming out of the current fiscal
year with a small surplus which is a
[1:17] good thing
and going into next year with a balanced
[1:21] budget based on what I believe are very
realistic and conservative revenue
[1:29] estimates and as always solid right on
expenditure estimates just for just for
[1:41] public information the budget the
proposed budget has been posted on the
[1:45] website The Villages website for over a
month it's been presented in detail in
[1:51] each of the past two board meetings and
of course the meeting is open tonight
[1:55] for anyone who wants to comment on
what's been presented so far and those
[2:00] meetings are available on YouTube and
they were so exciting that Netflix wants
[2:05] to put them on their broadcast service
[2:11] okay if there's no chemistry questions
from the public the audience their
[2:21] motion to adjourn the public hearing so
may
[2:30] trustee cook i trustee Marquardt by
trustee shal i you brown i trusty
[2:37] Oppenheim by trustee takaoka hi
president burn motion carries the
[2:44] hearings adjourned okay I'd like to call
the board meeting to order
[2:49] roll call please trustee takaoka here i
trusty Schultz here trustee Brown here
[3:00] trustee Marquardt your trustee cook here
trustee Oppenheim here president burn
[3:29] okay if there's any citizen here it
wishes to address the board on anything
[3:41] other than what's gonna be on committee
at a whole you can address the board but
[3:46] a committee at a whole everybody that's
here for you know I think the mall
[3:52] expansion you will be recognized
obviously the community at all so
[3:59] anybody okay let's see proclamation
National Public Safety to
[4:09] telecommunications week National Public
Safety communications week April 14th
[4:29] through to 20th 2019 emergencies can
occur at any time and that require
[4:36] police fire emergency medical services
when an emergency occurs the prompt
[4:42] response to the police officers
firefighters and paramedics is critical
[4:46] to the protection of life and
preservation of property the safety of
[4:50] our police officers and firefighters is
dependent upon the quality and the
[4:54] accuracy of information obtained from
citizens who telephone the Vernon Hills
[4:59] Police Fire Communication Center Public
Safety telecommunicators are the first
[5:05] and most critical can't take their
citizens he have with emergency services
[5:10] Public Safety telecommunications are
seeing a single vital link for our
[5:15] Police arson firefighters by monitoring
their activities by radio providing them
[5:20] information and ensuring their safety
Public Safety telecommunications for the
[5:26] villages of Vernon Hills Lincolnshire
Libertyville and countryside Fire
[5:32] Protection District they have
contributed substantially to the
[5:36] apprehension of criminals suppression of
fires and treatment of patients each
[5:41] telecommute
educator exhibited compassion
[5:44] understanding and professionalism during
the performance of their job in the past
[5:49] year and now therefore be it resolved
that village president Board of the
[5:54] Vernon Hills declares the week of April
14th through to 20th 2019 to be National
[6:01] Public Safety communication week in
Vernon Hills in honor of the men and
[6:06] women whose diligence and
professionalism keep our villages and
[6:11] citizens safe I'll take that and we will
post it in the communication
[6:50] Proclamation our Arbor Day April 26 2019
if having recognize the economic
[7:02] aesthetic and environmental value of a
thriving community forest brings to the
[7:07] its residents and visitors village of
Vernon Hills he has and continues to be
[7:13] committed to reforestation of land
within its corporate boundaries and to
[7:18] prune and prudent management of its
existing forest resources the village of
[7:24] Verde Hills shall continue to enhance
its reforestation and forestry
[7:29] management policies and practices and
shall continue to dedicate financial
[7:34] resources over and above City USA
requirements the Tree City USA flag
[7:40] shall be flown at the public public
works building on April 26 2019 to honor
[7:50] those residents and volunteers we have
participated in the program of a
[7:54] he's sponsored by the village I Roger
burden president of the village Vernon
[8:00] Hills do hereby proclaim that the
village of Vernon Hill show officially
[8:04] observe Arbor Day and Saturday May 11th
2019 encourages citizens to participate
[8:11] in appropriate activity activities and
take advantage of the benefits of the
[8:15] parks and other natural areas in our
communities I really have nothing else
[8:28] to add this year's Arbor Day celebration
we we don't schedule it the same day as
[8:33] actually Arbor Day the weather isn't as
conducive we'll continue to work with
[8:37] the Boy Scouts and on that day we'll be
out at the Arbor theater planting some
[8:41] trees and beautifying the village well
in light of Arbor Day how many more you
[8:51] know trees do we have to replace so when
the ash borer came to town we had 3,600
[9:01] ash trees just in our parkways alone and
we've went through and we've addressed
[9:07] 3100 of them we still continue to treat
some of the other ones the the green ash
[9:14] didn't survive quite as well as the
white ash but for some critical
[9:19] locations such as on the golf course we
have been injecting and will continue to
[9:24] inject them ultimately it's a band-aid
we're not sure they're going to make it
[9:30] but it's important that we try and what
Dave said I've attended a couple of the
[9:40] events on a on our designated Arbor Day
and it's a very enjoyable day out there
[9:48] we have quite the array of unique
specimens of wide variety of specimens
[9:55] of trees and plants and most of them are
marked and you can go for a self-guided
[10:02] tour but you can also participate with
Boy Scouts
[10:06] as they dig a few holes and plant a few
trees and learn a little bit about
[10:13] forestry and and how to just care for
trees and plants so I'd invite everybody
[10:22] to come out that morning was it May 11th
at 9 a.m. 10 a.m. 9 a.m. yeah you know
[10:32] just for this process and and the
replacing the ash trees was a it started
[10:38] three years ago I think longer I think
almost at least seven years ago so
[10:45] that's when we started now is time flies
he budgeted what 1.3 mil I think I think
[10:52] our original anticipated budget was
about 1.8 million I think we brought it
[10:57] in right around 1.3 million we we've
learned it includes this year's and that
[11:05] includes issues we learned a lot we
learned that we need diverse forestry
[11:11] and so we plant much different trees I
think our forest urban forest is much
[11:16] better off now than it was back in the
day with only having three or four
[11:20] species that basically developers
installed back in the day okay all right
[11:26] next is practitioner officer Jan Perret
retirement chief you want to read this
[11:32] or do you want me to read whatever you
prefer sir
[11:37] you're the chief
[11:47] John can't be here because he's on duty
right Thank You mr. mayor it's my
[11:57] pleasure to read this proclamation in
recognition of the service of officer
[12:02] John peeper at Verna Hills Police
Department Verna Hills Illinois whereas
[12:07] John P Perret began employment with the
village of Vernon Hills Police
[12:11] Department as a police officer on August
21 1990 and has served the village in
[12:17] that capacity for over 28 years and
whereas John brought with him over four
[12:23] years of police experience from the
village of lemon Hurst making his total
[12:27] contribution of law enforcement 32 years
and whereas John served as the village
[12:32] of Vernon Hills Police Department's
first k-9 officer from 1991 to 1997
[12:38] during which he partnered with two
separate police canines Ritchie and
[12:43] Marko and whereas John served as a field
training officer from 2000 where he
[12:49] helped shape form and train the core of
Vernon Hills police officers still
[12:54] working today
and whereas John served as an officer in
[12:58] charge for numerous patrol shifts and
investigations from 1999 during which he
[13:04] assisted with the supervisory duties of
field operations throughout the
[13:08] department and whereas John served as a
school the school resource officers for
[13:13] Hawthorn school district 73 from 2015 to
2019 during which time he coordinated
[13:20] police services and resources for eight
different schools and whereas John
[13:25] accumulated numerous commendations and
awards from both the department and
[13:29] outside agencies throughout his tenure
Dear John was awarded three life-saving
[13:35] medals and was recognized by the
alliance against intoxicated motorists
[13:40] aim each year from 1999 to 2006 for his
efforts to keep impaired drivers off the
[13:46] streets of Vernon Hills and whereas John
has been a great asset to the Vernon
[13:51] Hills Police Department throughout his
career and has served with
[13:54] professionalism and distinction the
resident subvert the residents of the
[13:58] village of Vernon Hills have been
greatly rewarded by
[14:01] John service to this community as a
police officer during the past 28 years
[14:05] and now therefore it be it proclaimed
that the president and the board of
[14:10] trustees of the village of Vernon Hills
on behalf of the entire Vernon Hills
[14:14] Community College of lake extended John
people read their gratitude and things
[14:19] for his many years of service to the
community and the law enforcement
[14:23] profession dated this third day of April
20 1932 see him go but he continues to
[14:39] serve in public service so well not too
far away all right I'm just a quick
[14:47] thing on that I think I mentioned it
before I talked about he was very well
[14:52] respected by the students at at
Hawthorne and on his last day there was
[14:58] it was amazing to watch the students
they they did a final I'll call for him
[15:04] to come the office and had all of the
students come out into the hallways and
[15:08] he had to walk the whole hallway of the
school to again thunderous ovation so he
[15:14] hid the work he did there or the last
four years was was outstanding was was
[15:22] Jandy the k-9 officers signed to the
which which dog did died yes his first
[15:31] one Ritchie Richard yeah there was there
was a car accident and I don't know
[15:40] everyone remember all effects were you
[15:49] yeah I think we actually carried life
insurance on to Doug because they're not
[15:57] cheap the you know train and purchase
absolutely yeah okay all right
[16:08] treasurer
[16:12] your next report just want to draw your
attention to the cash and investment
[16:27] balance for all funds is 34
sorry 35 point six million which is an
[16:33] increase of 3.1 million from the
beginning of the fiscal year the 3.1
[16:39] million difference is going to be kind
of chewed up a little bit because we're
[16:43] going to pay the debt service payments
that I do
[16:46] actually we're due on March 30th and
then we are doing the early bond call
[16:53] for the 2005 geo bonds so those two
payments will total about 1.8 million
[17:02] dollars to bring down the 3 point 1
million balance right now additionally I
[17:08] like to draw your attention to sales tax
is doing very well the sales tax that's
[17:14] received a note in February is for
actually November retail activity and it
[17:20] was one of the best monthly results in
village history that's not a December or
[17:25] June sales month so that's promising
how much was yes thank you was it one
[17:42] point three four million yeah what that
was for a period of what 90 days was it
[17:51] just for damn it takes 90 days to get
[18:01] the state could be canis yeah since they
got a terminal case of the shorts yeah
[18:14] okay I'm just another item is a couple
revenue sources besides our regular
[18:21] sales tax our homeroom sales tax is
about 11.5 percent of a projection in
[18:26] tax is about 7.9 percent about
projection Community Development fees
[18:31] our 10.1 percent above projection right
now and I'll stay away from the below
[18:37] projections and the food and beverage
tax is 21 point four percent above
[18:43] projection and that's just with five
months of receipts so how much in sales
[18:46] tax do we get the last in the last year
sales tax from retail and all that sorry
[18:56] more than that because there's you know
some rebates they're probably closer to
[19:01] 14 million the actual sales tax here is
[19:11] 8 million 852 no for the year No
[19:30] right that's okay so that with the home
okay with the home rule 2x how much what
[19:39] is that okay anything else you include
in CDW is the actual pre rebate basis so
[19:59] yes we just put that in the packet for
requirement kind of wasn't good to
[20:20] update you okay works director Brown Dan
village engineer
[20:30] thank you very much wanted to provide an
update on Lake Charles and the study
[20:36] that we've done recently it's probably
appropriate now that we're talking about
[20:41] Arbor Day to have this type of
discussion I want to also put a plug in
[20:45] for John Petrillo he started a new
website for us with gold green Vernon
[20:51] Hills and so it'll have a lot of links
in terms of different environmental
[20:56] things that are happening within Vernon
Hills but more importantly for today I
[21:01] wanted to provide an update about Lake
Charles Lake Charles has been a
[21:05] discussion with the board and staff for
a period of time so we thought it was
[21:10] important to do a study
Burke engineering who also did the
[21:14] Foxconn study for the county has
completed their study they gave us a
[21:20] draft they will be here before the board
with a more formal study results but I
[21:26] wanted to give you a couple of updates
in terms of specifics so really what
[21:32] we're finding is Lake Charles has a
number of concerns
[21:38] it's a suburban environment there's a
lot of goose population that adds
[21:43] nutrients to to the lake it's got a
3,600 acre tributary area to it and then
[21:51] what are our what are our concerns you
know it does have a lot of algae blooms
[21:57] and aquatics that are growing one of the
largest items is really the
[22:01] sedimentation of the lake if you look at
the north end of the lake there's a
[22:04] large Delta forming and so that's
something we want to address in terms of
[22:09] the study we've shared it with the Park
District as the Park District maintains
[22:13] some of the lake systems within the
village also so we invited them I worked
[22:18] with Kevin Beauregard and grace landing
HOA gave them an advanced copy because
[22:24] they have some specific interests in
Lake Charles also the irrigation system
[22:29] for Lake Charles for Craig's Parkway in
Huntington there's an intake and so it's
[22:37] right in that location where sediment is
occurring so essentially the board's
[22:43] about to approve the budget for this
year we have some money for a number of
[22:48] different items we want to do something
this year I have not asked for money
[22:54] because the study just came out so what
I'm looking to do is to change some of
[22:59] the items
Harvey Lake we were going to start with
[23:02] some of the improvements in Harvey Lake
along the shoreline I suspect everyone
[23:08] in this room feels that addressing Lake
Charles is a high priority and so we're
[23:13] not asking for a budget change there's
thirty thousand dollars for that line
[23:17] item what we're what I'm asking is for
support from the board to move forward
[23:23] and do some things for this coming
budget year specifically what the study
[23:27] looked at is one of the largest issues
that we're faced with is really the
[23:31] upstream sedimentation that's heading
into the lake what does that mean that
[23:35] means that we went upstream and we
looked all the way into downtown
[23:40] Mundelein and there's a number of
eroding banks that are causing the
[23:45] sediment to make it into Lake Charles
the cost to deal with Lake
[23:51] Charles into dredge it would be eleven
point three million dollars
[23:55] no one has eleven point three million
dollars to do that if we dredged it we
[24:00] still have the sediment loads coming
into the lake so we need to first take
[24:04] care of the input into the lake so what
we're looking to do is a couple of
[24:08] things we're gonna reach out to everyone
our partners our partners being
[24:13] Mundelein Mundelein Park District County
Board l dot Lakes Management
[24:21] desplaines River watershed group because
we need the banks upstream to be
[24:26] stabilized to protect the lake how do
you pay for that it's about ten million
[24:31] dollars to take care of all of that
amongst a number of different entities
[24:35] so we put grant monies we put grants
together and we work in partnership to
[24:41] try to solve that part of it short term
what Vernon Hills can address and
[24:45] improve Lake Charles for this budget
year is something very simple for thirty
[24:50] thousand dollars we're looking to put in
an aeration system basically it's just a
[24:55] small something smaller than this in
front of us it's really a cabinet that
[25:02] has compressed air goes through a 5/8
inch tubes eight different locations or
[25:07] so through the lake and we pump air out
into Lake Charles have a couple of small
[25:12] little bubbler discs at the bottom
improves the dissolved oxygen for the
[25:17] lake and we can get that done for about
$30,000 one of the problems with the
[25:24] algae is you have the warm climate on
the surface colder below and so what
[25:31] this does is doesn't allow for some time
during July or August where it flips and
[25:37] all the cold moves to the surface it'll
have more consistent water conditions so
[25:45] we'd like to move forward with that and
then something else that my staff is
[25:49] looking to do is shift some of our labor
we understand between Huntington and
[25:54] Gregg's Parkway there's some banks that
we need to look at we'd like to remove
[25:59] the buckthorn and then plant some grass
along the west side while we still
[26:04] protect some of the tree
there so those are two things that we'd
[26:08] like to implement this year and try to
improve Lake Charles and so just wanted
[26:13] to provide that report will have a
larger report once Burke finishes their
[26:17] study and we expect there will be before
the board within 30 days so that's all I
[26:23] have for us tonight so I wanted to thank
you for spending all that time and
[26:30] effort on this I know there are a lot of
people in the community that we're
[26:33] really that are can and continue to be
very concerned about that so I thank you
[26:37] for that actually I put my light on to
speak to that but I also had a question
[26:42] for Ann I don't know if anyone else has
a question fooor go ahead I'm good
[26:46] because that isn't for the whole year
[26:51] well yeah so hopefully not yes we got
that we got to go till the end of April
[27:07] right and the projection is over 13
million dollars sales tax the regular
[27:24] sales tax the projection is 11 million
30,000 and then home roll is projected
[27:33] at 2 million 136,000 ok ok I just wanted
to clarify for those because there's a
[27:45] lot of people in the room yeah so I
still have a question yes so I don't
[27:50] know if you're able to get us in this
information but relevant to the future
[27:53] discussion I don't know if it's possible
to break down what amount comes from
[27:59] mall vendors I know there's certain
confidentiality aspects in play but if
[28:03] it's possible to get those numbers so
the community would know how how
[28:08] significant well when we get to it it's
probably gonna be I wasn't sure if that
[28:15] was where the discussion just give a pre
there's gonna be mention of how much
[28:21] money goes the district 73 from the
shopping mall every year
[28:27] hey so you want to take a guess what we
say it it's it's Steve how much you
[28:39] could say it three billion a year the
district yep
[28:45] so three million a year I just want to
make sure that we'll get that we'll get
[28:49] the total numbers is that that'll be
part of to preview it thank you okay
[28:56] what else well I just I just want you to
reiterate one more time to dredge Lake
[29:06] Charles is 11 million flood I don't
think anybody is thinking about dredging
[29:14] it unless there's a magnificent
benefactor out there so we're gonna need
[29:20] to work or as best we can within
reasonable dollar constraints but 11
[29:26] million it's just way out of sight for
this organization to even anticipate
[29:33] doing but the good news is we have a
well we put in how long 12 14 years yeah
[29:42] and that well provides water to do what
in gravely it provides for the golf
[29:48] course and then there's an irrigation
system that grace landing maintains in
[29:54] terms of poland water out of out of the
lake also so the well helps replenish
[30:00] the water level of Lake Charles right
it supports out everyone right and
[30:06] there's no charge to anybody for water
it lives in Craig's land take correct
[30:13] thank you I know so good
[30:24] oh yeah you got to check the Lake County
click click Jawa click jalwa good
[30:35] clarification but it could be worse as
far as the okay so we'll bring will
[30:48] bring Burt back in about 30 days and
then I I do have the next item if we
[30:54] wanted to move to the next one so while
really just an update there is an
[30:58] ordinance in on the Omnibus agenda its
ordinance 2019 - Oh 43 it's for
[31:06] Stenstrom for the fuel tank improvements
a number of people in our in our
[31:13] audience our friends at Hawthorn school
district 73 Vernon Hills High School
[31:19] Memorial Library countryside Fire
District Vernon Hills Park District in
[31:25] one other entity we all we supply fuel
for these different entities it's a
[31:31] really good relationship unfortunately
right now are we we received water not
[31:37] into the fuel but into the liner tank
and so we had to shut down our
[31:42] operations we're working on it very fast
trying to solve it this contract is has
[31:51] been executed we talked to hold the
board ahead of time and they're moving
[31:55] forward they've ordered the parts it
takes two to three weeks to get the
[32:00] parts and then they will do the
construction essentially they're gonna
[32:04] be digging about for up all the concrete
four and a half feet deep they're gonna
[32:08] replace the manholes they're going to
take care of the diesel and the unleaded
[32:13] we had a failure of some flanges that
we're 1996 vintage they need help
[32:19] so my apologies to everyone who I serve
in terms of providing fuel we're going
[32:24] to be down in about 30 days we're gonna
get it done as quick as we can so I just
[32:28] wanted to update the board and everyone
else on that we have communicated to our
[32:32] users we're gonna get it done as quick
as one can but just want
[32:38] advised ordinance 2019 - old 43's on the
consent agenda and I recommend approval
[32:44] of that ten thousand for unleaded five
thousand for diesel well as the market
[33:02] fluctuates its
a plus or minus depending on what the
[33:07] Opus standard is so what that equates to
is we're able to provide fuel to our
[33:13] users for about a dollar three less than
what you would buy it across the street
[33:23] that number reflects unleaded I'm not
sure all our friends are paying about a
[33:30] buck and a half more a gallon at the
Mobil station right now just because
[33:35] yeah we can't supply it and gas is now
over three bucks a gallon yeah yes sir
[33:40] and one of the things I've reached out
to gram enterprises and also working
[33:45] with Ernie's and Ernie Schell trying to
find out if there's a solution that we
[33:50] can have some of the taxes abated
because the local government state and
[33:58] Fed they wouldn't have to pay it if they
went through us so I'm asking those
[34:01] questions hopefully I can help them out
[34:12] yes the Commissioner does the building
commissioner oh yeah building
[34:17] commissioner Aikens and Home Depot
outdoor garden Thank You mr. mayor I
[34:22] just wanted to point out for the board
that this that the resolution approving
[34:26] their outdoor merchandise displaying
sales
[34:28] permit is on the Omnibus agenda what
they're proposing is what they've done
[34:32] in past years there to be a display area
that's approximately 96 feet wide by 239
[34:38] feet long that would be located
generally in front of the garden center
[34:42] they would display live goods their
display area would be surrounded by a
[34:47] white picket fence and would remain in
place from April 4
[34:51] to September 1st of this year no changes
from what they've done in previous years
[34:56] I just wanted to point that out to the
board that resolution is is anybody here
[34:59] from Home Depot would they like to give
themselves a plug come on you if they
[35:07] come to the presentation altered let's
go you guys are young you need this
[35:11] experience who's this guy
[35:30] do you have a name good and how about
your partner what do you do all right
[35:54] all right the golf course needs a
bartender though I and somebody to work
[36:00] the counter their moral support when are
you starting when's the first yeah
[36:12] what's the first date so that's a bit
presumptive every single year and I
[36:25] think it's very beneficial to the city
and obviously I've worked around April
[36:31] for 11 years they're not at that store
for 3 all right first night the already
[36:51] we already banned the sale of fauna so
I thought we did be in dears under your
[37:01] thank you like a car we had I'm Jeff
home last year we had the first annual
[37:29] Ernie's truck show and it was a great
success mother nature cooperated this
[37:34] year we're going to move it up a couple
weeks and it's going to be July 11th and
[37:37] last year we had the first year was
about a hundred trucks and we raised
[37:42] about 1500 hours which went to the Jared
Allen place for wounded warriors this
[37:46] year I think we're gonna do folds of
Honor which is a charitable organization
[37:50] where they give scholarships to children
who've lost or parents who've served so
[37:56] okay we're gonna actually be building a
home for those guys like we did st. Jude
[38:00] a couple years ago so we try to pick a
different foundation for each year so we
[38:03] kind of I can was the general contractor
at the st. Jude oh that is correct what
[38:11] or they actually went to st. Jude two
three hundred and twenty-five thousand
[38:15] dollars went to st. Jude and then last
year we did one in Long Grove I can also
[38:20] did it and that was for the Jared L and
homes for wounded warriors we haven't
[38:23] sold that but probably donate about
$250,000 and we're in the process now
[38:28] starting another one which will go to
the folds of Honor charitable and
[38:32] earnings has always been good enough
they've been longtime friends and so
[38:35] last year we started the truck show I
think they're gonna maybe work with the
[38:39] village in some capacity with the car
show I think we're working through some
[38:43] of those details to self but this was
just their own event that was on
[38:47] premises and it was a lot of fun so
we're gonna do it again this year
[38:49] as long as it's okay with you guys
[38:57] it'll be the exact same venue place I
mean we did have food we don't charge
[39:02] anything for it last year of course
we'll send you all invitations as it
[39:13] gets closer to approve items a through P
[39:31] any comments or questions trustee Brown
aye trustee Schulz all right
[39:44] trustee Marquardt I know a new business
[40:11] and YouTube yes tomorrow well tomorrow
yeah tomorrow is the last post 1247
[40:19] American Legion bingo at the golf course
right down the hill here everybody's
[40:25] invited
do you know anything we asked is there
[40:27] to bring money so this will be the last
one for this year and we won't start up
[40:33] again until next fall probably October
if everything's still the same okay I'd
[40:42] like that a PSA along the lines of
Trustees Schultz's PSAs there have there
[40:48] been a number of terrible deaths lately
on the highways so including just last
[40:56] week two of our state troopers in a two
day period and and the latest one was
[41:04] six days six years almost to the day of
when
[41:09] our state trooper Sauter was was killed
so I just want to remind everyone of
[41:17] Scots law to pull over
slow down and pull up yeah and even okay
[41:38] come before the board I'm gonna you you
know just say yesterday was Election Day
[41:45] and quite frankly you know there was
different races that in town with school
[41:53] boards and park boards and high school
boards and elementary school boards and
[41:58] obviously the village board and I'd like
to congratulate everybody that
[42:04] participated whether you won or lost and
it was you know it was a I think a
[42:10] positive cleanly run campaign by
everybody I'm not sure there's something
[42:15] I'm missing but overall I'd say you know
it wasn't unlike a bloodbath you know of
[42:22] false accusations and everything it was
it wasn't bad anybody concur or no no
[42:33] well that's good right
the only bad thing is nine point nine
[42:37] seven percent turnout yeah that's that's
sad unfortunately it happens every every
[42:48] two years would that not maybe not next
year it's historically yeah and 11
[42:59] percent for this this particular
municipal and school district elections
[43:05] and Memorial I mean library election so
anyway um thank you all the people came
[43:11] out and vote yeah I know you can still
complain but be nice have you voted and
[43:18] then you complain
all right what else their motion to
[43:26] adjourn to the board meeting going to
committee at all with the we have where
[43:32] we going I got a question
I got I forgot to mention something here
[43:39] a lot of my neighbors are wondering
what's what's the situation with garbage
[43:44] pickup anyone out there unless it's just
my neighborhood I mean they haven't
[43:51] worked up right no pick up what days
were missed no I was just all of Gregg's
[44:04] landing it's just your house your
next-door neighbor so no we could go
[44:29] Friday they missed
NCT number four not because I had a long
[44:35] conversation with one of the people that
at not so advanced disposal and and
[44:43] they're there we need to maybe revisit
when is their contract up yeah I blew at
[44:53] the end of 2020 well because I I'm
concerned about the fact that when
[44:57] you've got a monopoly some of their
customer service could be a little
[45:03] better I'm still I'm still waiting well
I'm still waiting for a callback as to
[45:08] why they missed it that Friday and that
was on the 22nd of March all right so
[45:14] NCT for what's which we are fielding
Muirfield Village John Petrillo you're
[45:21] the point man right yes sir
I was talking to Liz she said she had
[45:26] received no complaints but I will follow
up directly with them and I'll provide a
[45:29] response to the borders to Muirfield
Village and NCT for the NCT
[45:34] one we've got settled because I had a
meeting with gentlemen from there mr.
[45:40] Diaz who used to be a route driver so
he's very good and he followed up on it
[45:45] because we had had a meeting with him
before with about a year so ago when we
[45:51] had a similar problem so he took care of
the NCT for once so that that's been
[45:56] taken care of if you want to bring a
representative in well put it and then
[46:03] everybody can gather again when one does
contract well yeah let's bring I'd still
[46:23] bring them in and let's hear let him
hear everybody's great yeah yeah we do
[46:28] we do have to we do have to review it
that you also have to remember that it's
[46:32] not as easy as flipping off a light
switch turning on and turning on the
[46:36] other there was months of transitional
issues shall we say between the two well
[46:45] they don't pick up the garbage it gets
kind of right okay there's a motion to
[46:55] adjourn the board meeting after the
committee the whole hearing and
[46:59] everything we got to go to closed
session to discuss personnel all right
[47:09] roll call trustee Mark Bert aye
trustee cook aye aye Brown aye
[47:20] trustee schultz i president i motion
carries
[47:26] like to call the Committee of the Whole
meeting to order the first item is
[47:30] approval of the community to hold
meeting minutes of March 19th 2019
[47:38] motion motion is any comments questions
deletions Corrections
[47:45] hey buddy okay
roll call trustee cook aye
[47:51] trustee Marquart hi trustee schultz hi
trustee Oppenheim by trustee tuck oka
[47:57] aye
trustee Brown aye president Byrne i
[48:01] motion carries
okay next is the request from Vernon
[48:07] Hills High School for approval of the
site and landscape revisions to allow
[48:10] construction three additions at 145
North Lake View Parkway Building
[48:17] Commissioner Thank You mr. mayor I can
give you a brief summary of what the
[48:22] request is tonight Vernon Hills High
School is requesting approval for three
[48:30] additions that they'll be doing to their
facility
[48:33] the first addition excuse me shown here
there's the three additions there's one
[48:39] on the east side of the building that's
indicated is a there'll be another
[48:42] addition in the courtyard that's
indicated as area B and finally on the
[48:47] west side of the building is a gymnasium
addition that's indicated as area C the
[48:54] renderings in front of you here show the
east side addition there's a three-story
[48:59] portion that includes classrooms and
then the one-story portion you see there
[49:04] is for a stem cell lab in the upper
left-hand corner of this picture you'll
[49:09] see the addition in the courtyard this
will serve the cafeteria staff lounge
[49:15] and similar uses such as that the other
two drawings show renderings of the
[49:21] gymnasium
that'll be added on to the west side of
[49:26] the building so for tonight Vernon Hills
High School already has their special
[49:32] use in place so the board is just being
requested to consider again the site
[49:37] plan changes in the landscape changes as
well and if the Board believes that
[49:43] tonight's request is appropriate than a
motion directing staff to prepare an
[49:47] ordinance approving the site plan
changes and landscape changes is
[49:51] recommended subject to the conditions
that are outlined in your packet and the
[49:56] entourage from Vernon
High School is here to answer any
[49:59] questions that you may have
[50:04] just to clarify in addition to those
three areas there's also a mechanical
[50:09] room expansion that I see on the plans
that correct yes that's correct
[50:17] [Music]
[50:28] motion to approve subject to the five
conditions listed in her if I'm a motion
[50:35] directing staff to prepare an ordinance
what he said why if the seize this
[50:41] opportunity there anyway a high school
can help in Elementary School District
[50:46] since you got such a large surplus is
that it was there no yeah it's nice not
[50:57] to go to referendum you're gonna spend
how much 30 million yeah
[51:15] trustee Brown aye
trustee Schultz all right trustee Mark
[51:20] Burt all right trustee Takaoka aye
trustee cook aye president burn no no
[51:36] your presentation all tonight now I'm
using sitting where you're at during our
[51:42] board meetings so forgive me my name is
dr. Prentiss Lee and I'm the
[51:46] superintendent at district 128 and we
also have Jan Gilliam here a board
[51:50] president architects our juror our
assistant superintendent for finance Dan
[51:54] Stanley I just want to tell you again
how much we appreciate the support of
[51:58] the village and working with district
128 Vernon Hills High School through
[52:03] every level of your organization in this
village we have a wonderful working
[52:07] relationship and you can see the result
of that relationship and
[52:11] our kids succeed at Vernon Hills High
School in Libertyville high school as
[52:15] well you know excellence doesn't happen
on its own and it happens with
[52:20] partnerships and we just want to tell
you how much we value the partnerships
[52:24] that we have with the village here and
as always we want to build on those
[52:28] excellent working relationship so thank
you very much okay you don't have to
[52:58] stay do you want to stay Debbie
special free up free up some seats all
[53:09] right next is the melania fee report
Thank You mr. mayor really quick just to
[53:17] remind the board this was a study that
was approved as part of the fiscal year
[53:22] 1819 budget we contracted with melania
Fein associates to prepare a market
[53:30] strategy in redevelopment study for
three particular areas the first one is
[53:34] Hawthorn mall the second one is the
remaining vacant lots in the shops of
[53:39] Gregg's landing and then thirdly the
darling farm so for tonight John Melania
[53:46] fee is here to review with you the first
draft of the study that he's prepared
[53:51] he will then receive comments from the
village board include that into what
[53:57] will ultimately be a final draft that
would be posted on the village website
[54:01] for all to review so with that I'll
throw it over to John who will review
[54:05] the results of his study for me before
you start because you've got a lot of
[54:10] folks behind you
I don't you need to really stay close to
[54:15] the mic or do we have you do we have it
now a handheld microphone
[54:22] is one available well you could come
over here and this I'd like to see the
[54:29] presentation so yeah to refer to but
certainly okay yeah everybody could see
[54:36] the screen right thank you Bob John
Melania fee president Melania Fein
[54:47] associate so we've been a consultant to
the village since the early 90s and
[54:51] followed your retail base for many years
and we were asked to prepare a
[54:58] comprehensive market study and store
strategy analysis for Hawthorn mall the
[55:05] sites up by Gregg's Parkway as well as
the sure and evaluate the president
[55:14] future retail trends thank you and
really to determine the personal
[55:22] consumption expenditures and how they
relate to the mall so anyway I've been
[55:55] working in retailing since 1985 we've
been involved with Mall of America the
[56:00] largest retail and entertainment complex
in the world currently involved with
[56:04] Northbrook Court in Northbrook Illinois
the Motorola campus out in Schaumburg
[56:10] Easton Towne Center in Columbus Ohio so
we do a lot of work with malls and
[56:15] retailers and so we were charged with
preparing a community-wide retail market
[56:20] study and store strategy and analysis
for the village and looked at personal
[56:24] consumption expenditures and we really
wanted to identify the types of end
[56:28] users that would best meet market demand
in the village of Vernon Hills
[56:33] we prepared a development strategy for
thorn Center as well as the site's up by
[56:38] Gregg's Parkway and the darling farm we
also looked at stores that are vacant or
[56:44] soon-to-be vacant in the village and
what stores could potentially replace
[56:50] those and we formulate an implementation
plan for that you know it's uh if you
[56:56] read the newspaper all the the headlines
are about the retail apocalypse and how
[57:02] the retail Armageddon and it's you know
there's a lot of headlines out there
[57:06] certainly there's been changes in
retailing we had about eight thousand
[57:10] store closings in 2017 a lot of these
stores were weak everyone's been waiting
[57:16] for Sears to you know for their demise
and there was about 10,000 store
[57:22] closings forecast in 2018 so all these
retailers have slashed their growth
[57:27] plans ecommerce is becoming so much more
prevalent and represented about 513
[57:33] billion dollars in the United States in
2018 we've got an oversaturated retail
[57:38] market about 23 square feet per capita
if you include all the little downtown
[57:43] areas it's about 48 square feet we've
you know we've really got a changing
[57:48] consumer with Millennials they're
avoiding home ownership marriage car
[57:54] ownership I mean so and you're the
greatest consumers when they have
[57:57] children and they're delaying all those
purchases and that's having an impact on
[58:02] retailing in 2009 we conducted a similar
evaluation for the village of Vernon
[58:10] Hills and we identified several
retailers that we thought there was a
[58:14] market for that would meet market demand
and wheeling and they've ultimately
[58:18] located here and I have a short list I
mean from Aldi to Dick's that Dave and
[58:23] Buster's home goods
the movie theaters Lowe's even Menards
[58:28] we talked about relocating them way back
when Maggiano's the pga superstore REI
[58:34] so you know Whole Foods and Steinhafels
so our batting average was pretty good I
[58:39] mean if you looked at how much sales tax
revenue those are generating now and
[58:43] their overall retail sales is pretty
significant so you look at all these
[58:48] store closings
retail bankruptcies around the country
[58:51] it's really uh you know it this is not
germane to Vernon Hills this is a
[58:57] national trend that's going on
and so obviously we had Toys R Us and
[59:02] with Carson's part of the bond tine
companies and Sears as I said everyone
[59:07] was waiting for Sears to start closing
stores and allow the mall owners have
[59:12] become prepared to do that so you look
at all these bankruptcies and we had
[59:18] several of those stores in Vernon Hills
we've got rising vacancies I mean we
[59:25] worked on Mall of America that's got 4.2
million square feet so if they have like
[59:30] 5% vacancy or 10% vacancy it's
significant there's some pictures here
[59:35] of Easton town center and Columbus what
mall developers are trying to do today
[59:40] is bring in more entertainment and more
experiential retail that people are
[59:46] gonna want to get off their couch and
come out and shop and spend some time
[59:50] and things that they can't get on the
Internet so I mean we've had rising
[59:56] vacancies these are the numbers for the
Chicago metropolitan area we were at
[1:00:01] eleven point one percent in the fourth
quarter of 2018 and we are up from 10.1
[1:00:08] percent in the fourth quarter of 2017
but it was only like eight point six
[1:00:13] percent in 2013 so we've had a lot of
store closings but a lot of retailers
[1:00:18] are actually implementing omni-channel
and they are maybe reducing some of
[1:00:23] their store counts but um even the
online retailers are now adding stores
[1:00:29] they've realized that they have to as
physical stores to and enhance their
[1:00:34] sales and so you look at I'm not going
to talk about all these but I mean Toys
[1:00:41] R Us 735 stores you know 700 stores with
mattress firm and so forth so you add
[1:00:47] all these up you know this is something
that's happening all over the country
[1:00:51] and this is in you know the Vernon Hills
isn't being Arco they're not closing the
[1:00:57] stores because this is in a dynamic
market
[1:01:01] you know even target who opens stores
all over the day clothes stores in
[1:01:05] McHenry Morgan Park all they've probably
closed five or six stores you know
[1:01:11] Lowe's all these retailers are
readjusting their store portfolios so
[1:01:16] when we look at Vernon Hills we
conducted a driving time analysis and we
[1:01:21] looked at to simulate what consumers
would experience when they drive and
[1:01:25] that assisted us in delineating the
trade area for Hawthorn center and the
[1:01:31] other sites in the village so if you
look at the primary trade area of the
[1:01:36] Hawthorn Center it's a five mile trade
area and then extending out to seven
[1:01:42] miles for the total trade area and then
we looked at the population resources
[1:01:48] and the expenditure dynamics in Vernon
Hills and we put all the market support
[1:01:56] factors in there how what's the
population density what's the households
[1:02:01] what's the average household income and
so forth
[1:02:03] and then what we did from there is we
because we worked in 2009 we had all the
[1:02:09] sales data for the community and it's
very interesting to see Roger our
[1:02:14] evening mayor Byrne was talking about
retail sales and looking at how each
[1:02:20] category affects the villages retail
sales base and then we're up to 1.4
[1:02:27] billion in total sales so you look at
your municipal tax and your home rule
[1:02:32] tax when we were talking about that
earlier I could tell that it was its it
[1:02:36] had to be a little bit higher and the
Department of Revenue just came out with
[1:02:41] the 2018 numbers and you guys are up to
1.5 billion in total sales so the what
[1:02:48] was the category we lead in was a
Furniture Vernon Hills has the highest
[1:02:53] furniture sales and electronic sales of
any municipality other than Chicago in
[1:02:58] the Chicago metropolitan means we're
selling some mattresses absolutely
[1:03:06] you know with Steinhafels and all the
other furniture and electronic stores in
[1:03:11] the community it's significant we write
a report on retail sales in the metro
[1:03:16] area and Vernon Hills is in some of the
top is at the top of some of those top
[1:03:23] 20 communities well I mean we like for
2017 it was 649 right so you look at
[1:03:35] though it's it's unprecedented you have
the highest but unfortunately like a lot
[1:03:41] of other communities your general
merchandise sales have gone down from
[1:03:44] 259 million down to 167 and that's the
weakness in the Sears and Carson's and
[1:03:50] some of the other stores but we look
really carefully at these numbers and
[1:03:54] how they impact the mall and and you
know where are we going and what
[1:03:59] categories are underserved and how we
can strengthen your overall retail sales
[1:04:03] base but you don't live in a vacuum so
we we also looked at the surrounding
[1:04:08] communities so gurney I mean first of
all Vernon Hills is a retail mecca
[1:04:16] they're the corner of Main and main of
retailing in Lake County Illinois and so
[1:04:22] you look at gurney
you have always for the most part lead
[1:04:26] gurney in sales productivity and so you
look at you know what their sales in
[1:04:32] general merchandise were 252 million and
now they're 166 million so all these
[1:04:38] numbers are in the report I'm not going
to belabor it here tonight but we looked
[1:04:42] at all the categories and what's
happening and particularly at the other
[1:04:47] malls that that compete with Hawthorn
Center so you look at Northbrook or talk
[1:04:52] about another one that got hit pretty
hard and general merchandise they were
[1:04:56] at a hundred and thirty million and now
they're at forty five million in general
[1:05:01] merchandise and they plan to tear down
Macy's they're gonna add three hundred
[1:05:05] fifteen apartment units for empty
nesters divorcees and so forth they're
[1:05:11] gonna add a grocery store and they're
gonna add a lot of retail and
[1:05:16] restaurants is really the strong
part of their redevelopment plan as well
[1:05:20] to create entertainment and get people
off the couch to come out and enjoy the
[1:05:27] mall so the we also looked at Liberty
villages because it was contiguous and
[1:05:32] their automobile sales are very
significant at 436 million what's
[1:05:38] interesting in 20 so Morpher absolutely
absolutely and so you know these are
[1:05:47] really it's really interesting to get
into the demand side everyone talks
[1:05:51] about the supply side but really this is
what's really happening out there you
[1:05:56] know you can say all word worth you know
the mall is hurting and you know we
[1:06:00] melody farms and what we're doing but
when you look at the overall sales we're
[1:06:04] growing overall and the Chicago
metropolitan area was up three and a
[1:06:09] half percent in 2018 these numbers just
came out from the Department of Revenue
[1:06:13] and we're up over four billion dollars
auto sales are up 1.4 billion so the
[1:06:21] next slide we did not have the benefit
of the fourth-quarter data so we looked
[1:06:26] at the first three quarters in Vernon
Hills and looked at the growth that was
[1:06:31] going on with those the next thing we do
we look at per capita retail
[1:06:37] expenditures and what people are
spending in each retail category and we
[1:06:42] forecast those for the projection years
out to 2028 and this assists us in
[1:06:49] determining what the total retail
potential is in each segment of the
[1:06:53] trade area sorry these are small that
was so how many thousands of people
[1:06:59] involved there's these numbers right
these are just Vernon Hill this is for
[1:07:06] because the the trade area goes outside
takes in hot water other towns well
[1:07:13] let's go back to the map
[1:07:18] so the seven-mile trade area so I mean
it goes all the way down to Buffalo
[1:07:23] Grove to the south and up to one week
for right you know so and we had the
[1:07:29] benefit of actually working with
Westfield Corporation the previous owner
[1:07:34] and they gave us all their sales by
sales distribution by zip code and so we
[1:07:39] had the benefit as we looked at the
trade area of Vernon Vernon Hills over
[1:07:44] the years and you know what impact your
Park had on it North the court and
[1:07:48] others so that's a great question but
certainly you don't live in a vacuum and
[1:07:53] so we look at the income levels in Lake
Forest in some of those other areas in
[1:07:59] looking at per capita expect you to
speak the population in the insight up
[1:08:04] to 7 miles how many people live with
within seven miles that table is kind of
[1:08:12] small but it's you it's probably about
300,000 people within the trade area in
[1:08:18] just a moment just bear with me for a
second
[1:08:38] one to bunny seven in the prime didn't
you guys read that better I'm sorry only
[1:08:42] seven in the primary 133 in the
secondary total is 260,000 yes thank you
[1:08:51] so obviously we did that further south
of course the density increases so we
[1:08:59] prepare demographics for each segment of
the trade area and just off the top of
[1:09:03] my head usually it's about 300,000 or in
that fifth geographic area so we applied
[1:09:10] those per capita expenditures to the
population resources within each segment
[1:09:16] of the trader to come up with what the
total potential is in each segment of
[1:09:21] the trade area and so you look at each
category and so there's about three
[1:09:28] hundred and fifty seven million in
potential in the general merchandise
[1:09:33] category in 2018 397 million in growth
but we don't get all that in Vernon
[1:09:40] Hills that's what's out there within the
trade area we're getting about a hundred
[1:09:44] million in grocery right now so we we
looked at this and then we prepared
[1:09:49] market penetration and sales volume and
these all the calculations are here I'm
[1:09:55] not gonna time is not going to permit us
to do that but we're looking at each
[1:09:59] retail category and we see a market for
additional stores particularly in the
[1:10:06] eating and drinking category things that
are ecommerce resistant and and if we
[1:10:13] could get other department stores and
specialty retail stores grocery what
[1:10:22] this is very this is what we use to come
up with the market penetration and sales
[1:10:31] volume yesterday did you go back to that
last slide and and then what was the
[1:10:37] furniture sales for Vernon Hills that
[1:10:42] that's what I thought 2017 now go to the
slide that we were just ending on okay
[1:10:50] that's for the trade area which is so
that includes sales that aren't captured
[1:10:57] in Vernon Hills right what is available
go back so go back one now okay okay so
[1:11:05] how how is the total trade area 396 for
2018 if ours is 650 well because some of
[1:11:15] those sales come from outside of Vernon
Hills and you also have CDW and you have
[1:11:19] American Hotel register which generates
sales in those categories yeah so you
[1:11:28] import sales it depends like we're
comparing apples and oranges in one
[1:11:32] sense because we're looking at within
seven miles well that some of those the
[1:11:37] sales at seven miles can go to gurney
and go to Deer Park but this is if we
[1:11:42] can capture more of those sales and
bring them here into Vernon Hills but if
[1:11:47] you look at per-capita spenders in all
those communities well and and major
[1:11:52] furniture purchases are the kind that
people will travel more than just a
[1:11:56] family and we're only probably
allocating about eighty five percent of
[1:12:02] all of the customers that are generated
here there's 15 percent they come from
[1:12:07] outside the delineator trade area people
are passing through or visiting
[1:12:11] relatives here staying at a hotel or 85
percent comes from where within five
[1:12:17] miles comes within the seven mile trade
area yeah but some of them but you're
[1:12:22] saying there's another 15 percent
outside right except for except for
[1:12:26] certain purchases such as furniture
where we get half of it from from beyond
[1:12:31] this right so I mean if you're gonna go
to Walgreens in your 7 miles away in the
[1:12:37] drugstore category you're probably gonna
go to the local drugstore and not travel
[1:12:41] all the way to Vernon Hills so even
though the potential exists so that's
[1:12:45] what our friends that said tanning are
gonna do is they're gonna try to make
[1:12:49] people come to the mall more frequently
and enhance their market penetration in
[1:12:54] each one of these retail categories so
you know there's a lot that goes into
[1:13:02] and it's all outlined very specifically
in the report but so we looked at each
[1:13:07] category and what the penetration levels
are by each retail category and and what
[1:13:14] we expect to capture so we're about
about within the trade area about 1.2
[1:13:23] billion in sales and that doesn't we
usually don't look at the manufacturers
[1:13:31] category or the agricultural category so
you know if you look at all the retail
[1:13:40] categories from the Department of
Revenue there's some that aren't germane
[1:13:43] to this discussion so anyway we looked
at the vacant stores in Vernon Hills
[1:13:48] Carson Perry Scott Carson's furniture
Old Navy Petco Sears Toys R Us and we
[1:13:54] provided a list of potential types of
retailers that could be targeted to fill
[1:14:01] the vacant spaces so I mean there's a
variety of names here I mean find our
[1:14:06] for example that's a very expensive deal
but they are going to take the carson
[1:14:10] space and a Norland Square Mall in
Orland Park fresh farms we knew they
[1:14:17] were interested in this market LA
Fitness Patel brothers yes I'm gonna
[1:14:38] probably let the developer and all that
question but it's it's very significant
[1:14:43] I mean millions and so though these are
the trade offs and what they're gonna do
[1:14:53] into the sales productivity and market
penetration of the mall I just bring
[1:14:58] them up as they are potential target
you know binney's beverage 0 Harvard
[1:15:04] freight tools these are retailers that
are active I mean if you look at Sears
[1:15:09] many developers are adding a
multi-family residential how about after
[1:15:14] dark
they would need satellite stores they
[1:15:19] really haven't I mean you look at apt
this outer ones down in Moreland part
[1:15:24] right and they won't open any of ya
didn't you talk about hypotheticals
[1:15:30] everyone keeps talking about Apple store
what what why won't they come here and
[1:15:34] what would it take well they have an
Apple store inside of apt so one of one
[1:15:39] of the issues with electronics and
appliances there in this market and
[1:15:43] North broken Deer Park right but I'm
just saying they go no no Roger went
[1:15:51] there looking at stores not too long ago
that Apple store I like oh holy mackerel
[1:15:56] it was like 150 people or Warner
absolutely
[1:16:01] you know apt probably is about a four
hundred million dollar operation out of
[1:16:05] that one store so you know we we looked
at various tenants and you know I'm
[1:16:12] getting it close to my 15 minutes here
but so can you go back to that though
[1:16:16] I'm still curious what is that even a
possibility yeah I think it apples one
[1:16:23] of our targets I mean certainly when we
get to some these are for the vacant
[1:16:28] stores because an Apple is in a very
large store right so if you're jittery
[1:16:33] about $1,000 a square foot or so I'm
like that for the year so yeah as you
[1:16:39] can see here we have Apple at the top
list only because it's alphabetical
[1:16:43] but we certainly we we would love to see
Apple I mean those stores can generate
[1:16:48] four thousand dollars a square foot
they're at they're at this top of my
[1:16:52] list
four thousand dollars a square foot yeah
[1:16:55] so for the year how much we did project
out it depends on the size of their
[1:16:59] store but I mean usually they're you
know 16 million dollars but some of our
[1:17:08] only like 4,000 feet if that okay so you
know you look at another store that
[1:17:16] that's incredible what most the other
stores maybe do three or four hundred
[1:17:21] dollars a square foot so so anyway what
we I'm gonna just quickly go back so
[1:17:26] anyway we looked at
you know some of the replacements for
[1:17:31] your vacant stores of size this isn't
forever your little store of them all so
[1:17:37] there's a variety stores that represent
replacement tenants there's other retail
[1:17:42] concepts that haven't come to Chicago
yet I mean they may come in the future
[1:17:46] so there's new concepts all the time so
it's punchable go back to punch bowl
[1:17:52] social there are other one a year or
something yeah these are the
[1:17:59] experiential retailers family
entertainment centers I mean you look at
[1:18:03] Crayola
experience they only have one store open
[1:18:06] but they opened in a Starwood property
in Texas and the people were coming by
[1:18:14] the busloads kids just love this Creole
experience it was their hotel no it's a
[1:18:20] our would Starwood is the name of the
mall they do so you know fun topia you
[1:18:32] look at round one round one has taken a
variety of Sears stores around they went
[1:18:37] to Fox Valley Mall I mean they take a
lot of space there at Stratford Square
[1:18:42] Mall I worked on that one to Woodman's
is going to take the Macy's they're
[1:18:45] gonna tear it down so I mean these are
the main event these are family
[1:18:50] entertainment type things that are gonna
bring people out to the mall and so they
[1:18:54] are you know potential candidates
obviously the mall ownership will be
[1:18:59] talking and looking at what the
economics of each one of these that's
[1:19:06] fun KidZania KidZania KidZania so you
know we can't put everybody and their
[1:19:13] brother on this list because there's
some I mean when they have like one or
[1:19:17] two stores are we gonna be able to get
them you know possibly but it all comes
[1:19:20] down to economics yeah so so when we
looked at apparel I mean with what is
[1:19:26] being proposed this is gonna be a
dynamic property from what I've seen and
[1:19:31] read about what some of the plans are
this is a textbook example and so some
[1:19:38] of these still like we haven't been able
to get Tiffany but I think Tiffany is
[1:19:42] thing that we should strive for here as
part of the redevelopment on you look at
[1:19:47] untuck it there a internet only retailer
or they had been and now they're opening
[1:19:52] physical stores so you look at some of
the you know like Duluth trading company
[1:19:56] bonobos a lot of these guys were in
there not only and so I think we we can
[1:20:02] bring some of those here you know I
talked about von Maur
[1:20:06] I mean Dillard's if I were dealers this
would be the time I would come into the
[1:20:10] Chicago market they could take three out
of Texas they're all over the country
[1:20:15] but they're not here the closest ones
are um like in Indiana so why wouldn't
[1:20:19] you know that's and you know the other
thing is that that's gonna be a decision
[1:20:23] that the developer is gonna have to make
on economics and so forth so we have a
[1:20:29] list of some of the active retailers
that could be you know Patel brothers
[1:20:34] just announced they're taking a Toys R
Ross across from golf mill so I mean
[1:20:40] these are some of the types of retailers
you know Patel brothers grocery so
[1:20:48] they've catered more to an Indian
population primarily you look you know
[1:20:54] Woodman's went down to Buffalo Grove
like I said they're going to Stratford
[1:20:57] Square Mall to take from the Macy's so
these are a lot of the you know some of
[1:21:02] them you have already but there's others
that you don't so you look at like
[1:21:07] Amazon's gonna open their own grocery
stores you got Amazon go
[1:21:12] you know Earth Fair we talked about
fresh farm Heinen's little is supposed
[1:21:16] to be coming into the market so these
are you know they might not go to the
[1:21:19] mall but maybe you know there's a we
think there's an opportunity here with
[1:21:23] population growth we could just put a
sign and hold foods right right they
[1:21:28] potentially they're changing the pricing
structure and everything else but they
[1:21:33] just announced they're gonna come up
with their own new store separate from
[1:21:37] Whole Foods yeah so so then we have a
variety of restaurants that we think
[1:21:44] would work well here on some of these
fast casuals might work very well down
[1:21:49] at Gregg's Parkway and we mentioned
Apple and our fan furniture and some of
[1:21:54] these other
you know like if the mall with the
[1:21:57] things that are happening at the mall
and our plan can we get Pottery Barn and
[1:22:00] Pottery Barn Kids and these type of the
our age gallery Restoration Hardware you
[1:22:05] get those in Deer Park absolutely so you
know some of the Sporting Goods guys are
[1:22:16] potentially and uncle Dan's and Irwin
mountain Outfitters yeah so we don't
[1:22:21] have floor in the core we don't have
harbor freight tools those are guys that
[1:22:25] take second generations resource it's
all for fly fishers yeah men love
[1:22:30] fishing we talked a little bit we got
ahead of it but these are a lot of the
[1:22:38] entertainment like level 257 that's at
Punchbowl social Lucky Strike Rail some
[1:22:45] of these rock climbing things urban
active endeavors the urban air Adventure
[1:22:50] Park so let's get to the mall I'm sorry
that's got a little long but you know
[1:22:57] centennial what they're planning is
textbook this is exactly what other mall
[1:23:03] developers around the country are doing
to address the decline it was Sears and
[1:23:09] Carson's and so forth they're adding
lifestyle additions they're adding
[1:23:14] residential integrated in the fabric of
the coordinated streetscape design I
[1:23:21] mean if you ever been to Easton town
center of Columbus it's fantastic
[1:23:24] creates the main streets of the past and
they're public/private partnerships with
[1:23:29] the communities I mean let's face it the
mall got built in 1972 it's been
[1:23:35] generating tax since 73 you know I
mentioned Northbrook Court I think a
[1:23:41] hotel would be great to integrate into
the project actually a hotel real estate
[1:23:47] director contacted me and wants to be in
this project
[1:23:50] Simon's adding 15 Marriott hotels and so
forth so I think they could really add
[1:23:57] to the dynamics of the complex and
provide customers and what do people do
[1:24:03] when they stay at a hotel they go
shopping dining and entertainment
[1:24:07] the Macy's outlets this makes a lot of
sense to me three outlets along you know
[1:24:12] Milwaukee excuse me a long time line
road and they can generate sales of five
[1:24:17] hundred bucks a foot
obviously the ring role would have to be
[1:24:21] realigned but that makes a lot of sense
to me the outlets along Milwaukee Avenue
[1:24:27] again same things
restaurants generate about five hundred
[1:24:30] dollars a square foot versus retail I
mean this parking isn't really doing a
[1:24:35] whole lot it's new sales tax revenue
it's new property tax revenue to the
[1:24:39] other taxing bodies because you don't
have a property tax but there's a really
[1:24:43] an oversupply of parking and that could
be converted to productive use on the
[1:24:48] outlets along Gregg's Parkway there we
envision like a Salah doc Cafe Zubaz
[1:24:56] bone of beef is very active the market
Andy's frozen custard the learning
[1:25:01] experience isn't cafes yuppies already
going in across the street melody farm
[1:25:09] yeah hey there's a market forum we got
them I don't think we need to okay so
[1:25:15] will scratch that one but you know born
a beef you don't have an Andes frozen
[1:25:21] custard you don't have and so we've we
have had a lot of see store interest
[1:25:26] it's not something that is very
appealing select or meaning convenience
[1:25:31] store and gas station yeah but you look
at those and we know that there's
[1:25:35] interest in the market but they're not
most communities don't they say oh we
[1:25:41] want to go after a convenience or gas
station but some of them generate eleven
[1:25:45] million dollars in sales so you could
put a Walgreens there for like six
[1:25:49] million in sales or you could put a see
store gas station where they have
[1:25:54] puppies right we have Bucky's right
across the street right
[1:25:58] so this for Gregg's okay what is that
okay okay and 711 right now are going
[1:26:07] all over the metro area adding new
facility so you know isn't circle-k a
[1:26:12] lot with the redevelopment of some of
the shelves right yes so there there
[1:26:19] there
expanding the c-store the convenience
[1:26:22] store and so it's not sexy but it's they
generate a lot of revenue and there is a
[1:26:29] market for whether the board wants
something like that it was up to them so
[1:26:33] anyway I mentioned in conclusion sales
are up three and a half percent in the
[1:26:38] metro area imagine automobile dealers
there and gas stations up five and a
[1:26:42] half percent things are in growing
general merchandise has been week so
[1:26:49] here are the actual sales for 2018 these
were actually weren't even in the report
[1:26:55] this just came out and so I thought
you'd be interested to see this include
[1:26:59] the collar counties and everything this
is for the this is for the Chicago
[1:27:08] metropolitan area okay cane Lake McHenry
will cacao so we're up four point three
[1:27:16] billion or three and a half percent so
despite all these headlines about retail
[1:27:21] is dying this is the fact and so I think
the mall is the crown jewel everyone
[1:27:29] that owns a mall is addressing this
Sears Carson's issue it's kind of invest
[1:27:34] now or pay later we've had malls that
aren't coming back and it's gonna take a
[1:27:39] partnership I think you got to implement
a mixed-use redevelopment strategy and
[1:27:44] why shouldn't reenters the is that doing
better now the Main Street has been a
[1:27:50] disaster well the smaller stores in the
middle but I mean it's really a big box
[1:27:54] redevelopment with Costco Home Depot on
the pad yeah they took a bunch of
[1:27:59] retailers from Arlington Heights Sports
Authority which then closed Petsmart but
[1:28:05] so it really is it I don't think that's
what we're proposing more of a town
[1:28:09] center here in and I think that we
already have your big-box concentration
[1:28:16] and some of the surrounding shopping
centers so this is going to be more of a
[1:28:19] town center with apartments retail
restaurants hotel entertainment to
[1:28:26] create a 18-hour environment where
people want to live and spend time live
[1:28:31] work play environment
and you know we really need to add
[1:28:35] unique values and I think what I've seen
at least from some of the preliminary
[1:28:41] plans proposed by the developer that
it's you know the mall is key to the
[1:28:47] long-term viability of the of the
villages retail base we've got a look at
[1:28:53] the possibility of adding on major
anchors if it isn't today maybe it's
[1:28:58] tomorrow I mean my hope is that someday
we're gonna have a Nordstrom at
[1:29:01] Hawthorne mall and it's an expensive
deal but at some point they're gonna
[1:29:07] want to be here
if if this plan is implemented its we're
[1:29:10] gonna create a really dynamic
environment that they're gonna want to
[1:29:12] be at and we're gonna add ecommerce
resistant uses and you know I think that
[1:29:18] you what they're proposing is a textbook
example of what developers are doing
[1:29:24] today and they've actually taken out the
playbook and how to redevelop this
[1:29:29] complex successfully quick question for
you because you you've addressed a
[1:29:36] number of the questions I had but one
question I had for you was I mean just
[1:29:40] it's funny because a few years ago when
Dominic's left we were bereft of grocery
[1:29:44] stores and now as they're talking about
at least based on the press release the
[1:29:49] potential for one year there are already
seven grocery stores within about a mile
[1:29:56] and a quarter of the mall now and I just
wondered if because I know that that car
[1:30:03] dealerships and and I know building near
your competitor I mean Dave Thomas
[1:30:07] proved that was the way to go everybody
thought he was nuts when he said find a
[1:30:11] McDonalds and build the Wendy's as close
as you can and everybody said what are
[1:30:15] you nuts
but he was right is that is that still
[1:30:19] viable I mean because it is a total of
seven now I mean and we had nothing and
[1:30:23] now but you were doing 32 million
dollars in grocery sales we recommended
[1:30:28] Whole Foods and Aldi and ranked
omarion's and that's why I'm asking
[1:30:32] would an eighth one within that range
still be viable we believe it would be
[1:30:37] because it's going to be a different
type of grocer like if we polled this
[1:30:42] room about where you
for groceries we're gonna get a multiple
[1:30:46] of answers and so you go maybe go more
right I'm in here here here's the store
[1:30:53] that I absolutely gross er E store -
absolutely would kill it here it's
[1:30:56] either a super H Mart it's these it's a
Korean store where they have restaurants
[1:31:01] within it but there's also a store
called mitsuo in Schaumburg you you go
[1:31:06] there on a Saturday and it is jam-packed
I mean they're the shelves get cleaned
[1:31:12] up Japanese grocery store but it is it's
a mix it's not just Japanese just Asians
[1:31:18] in there but we also have a big Asian
population and in Vernon Hills alone
[1:31:22] it's 12.2% but if you even go out to the
seven you know the seven mile radius
[1:31:27] yeah there's a lot of Asians and I know
my mother lives in Buffalo Grove she
[1:31:30] goes to Mitsuo every two weeks she has
to drive all the way you know in golf in
[1:31:34] Algonquin they open in small I'm super
it's a super H Mart but the H Mart at
[1:31:39] Sanders and walk you have Anu they
opened a small huge
[1:31:42] so there's your grocery store that
absolutely I believe would kill ya
[1:31:45] that's why I wanted a but it's an Asian
store specifically brothers what is it
[1:31:55] Patel brothers they're taking the Asian
grocery store been there a long time
[1:32:01] right there and because of rolling
battles right around it and there it's
[1:32:12] an authentic Japanese marketplace and
there's only like ten of them around the
[1:32:15] country so they draw from us very wide
trade areas you just articulated so they
[1:32:21] haven't opened any other locations but H
Mart has and I believe we had H bar on
[1:32:27] the list as a possibility okay John
people do go to multiple right I've
[1:32:33] taken my wife shopping on a number of
occasions and we hit at least several of
[1:32:37] those seven yeah right
I mean there are no loyalty can you go
[1:32:41] back to the slide before the short term
strategy one more there we go don't mean
[1:32:48] no no no that's right that's right
so what area this is all of Metro
[1:32:54] Chicago Chicago
yes socha cago I can go up to the Vernon
[1:32:59] Hills table too but that is for 2017 but
this is include this includes Vernon
[1:33:05] Hills yes so how how is furniture 158
million that's how much it went up in
[1:33:11] the metropolitan area in the year 2018
that's the oh okay the slide doesn't say
[1:33:18] that doesn't say it doesn't say increase
by a hundred fifty eight million just
[1:33:23] says that's my point
how could we be I just want to make sure
[1:33:28] that the 649 is wrong for the
metropolitan area so the Madison area
[1:33:34] increased by four point increase in and
up three and a half percent I just threw
[1:33:40] these in like last week because the data
just was published by the Department of
[1:33:45] Revenue okay just to clarify sure that's
a great question I'm confusing the guys
[1:33:53] I want to answer all your questions here
from now is the real estate when will be
[1:34:06] beginning the formal full report for me
[1:34:16] you got the report okay we use me
provided a draft so as we said we would
[1:34:26] and we will finalize that report okay
and work with staff to do so
[1:34:33] understanding marks John you can answer
remark we're going to put the melania
[1:34:39] fee study on the website at the earliest
possible time so it might be another two
[1:34:45] weeks
[1:34:48] did you look specifically at lumber
building hardware and how much it's
[1:34:54] increased since Menards came in I'm just
curious
[1:34:59] those sales are part but it's only a
partial year yeah so
[1:35:07] there definitely has been a in Korea
that's 17 do you know you'll have
[1:35:15] anything even teen I didn't okay yeah I
did it for the matter they weren't out
[1:35:20] for the vigil community what you know I
know he made certain predictions before
[1:35:26] it I just wanted I'm just curious know I
approved it was based on sales of twenty
[1:35:34] five million dollars right first year -
did 60 million right you know it's six
[1:35:40] hundred thousand a year to us yeah I'm
just curious you know how much how much
[1:35:45] words yeah I'm just curious sixty
million alone and how much I understand
[1:35:57] with the three store sometimes they can
be eighty or ninety real bad you guys
[1:36:03] wanted it real bad I get it thank you
those hand mics do not work at all he
[1:36:26] just does like yeah speaking of there's
two on my block that you need to take a
[1:36:31] look at he'll go out there with this
charger ready for the next we're ready
[1:36:41] yeah say we have to take a break
anybody should have to go to the
[1:36:48] bathroom should we as we open it and
then we can get back
[1:37:08] let's do it we invite him up yeah no
time like the present guys so do you
[1:37:17] really need your lawyer tonight just
like paying him free help Frank and I
[1:37:26] history good history going all the way
back to when we were kind of yous 1988
[1:37:38] you know we finally in you say we 1989
yeah I know because you okay yeah it's
[1:37:48] great
okay anyway he worked on the annexation
[1:37:51] to hold kunio property where I'm sure
some of the people in his room live yeah
[1:37:56] and yeah there was those special times
every year was a lot of work but it was
[1:38:03] worth it okay all right good evening
my name is Oliver Robinson I'm a
[1:38:07] centennial real estate company and we
have in Hawthorn mall I'm gonna first
[1:38:12] introduce our CEO and president
Steven Levin who is not good at
[1:38:16] following scripts but he's much more
interesting than I am so give the big
[1:38:22] picture and then we'll run through some
of this microphone so the folks at home
[1:38:30] be able to hear okay I would I'll do
that as best I can I prefer to to look
[1:38:38] around but surviving I apologize if I'm
not looking your direction but I'm
[1:38:45] really speaking to everybody in the room
so as Oliver said my name is Stephen
[1:38:51] Levin founder CEO of Centennial real
estate we're here tonight one we
[1:38:57] appreciate the opportunity to be here to
unveil to you what we believe is one of
[1:39:08] the most exciting dynamic engaging
immersive destinations that will be
[1:39:18] created and exist
in the Chicagoland area for the next 30
[1:39:23] years
and we're committed we are committed
[1:39:27] Centennial and our partner is USAA real
estate in USA insurance company
[1:39:32] insurance company to the military a
phenomenal company we are here to show
[1:39:40] you what we are committed to deliver to
the community to the village of Vernon
[1:39:45] Hills three and a half years ago we made
an investment with our purchase of
[1:39:54] Hawthorne mall
we own the mall but the mall belongs to
[1:40:01] the village of Vernon Hills that's the
way we look at it this mall belongs to
[1:40:06] the community and everything we're doing
[1:40:15] it's like American Idol it hold it
really close to you have to hold it okay
[1:40:19] Wow I'm not used to doing that okay so
as I was saying everything we're doing
[1:40:30] is based upon what we believe is the
right vision for this project that will
[1:40:41] enrich the lives of the village of
Vernon Hills residents we are based in
[1:40:48] Dallas but every project we do we are
focused on the community that's how you
[1:40:54] make it successful
it can only be successful if you embrace
[1:40:59] it if the people that live in this
community embrace it it won't be
[1:41:04] successful otherwise and so well John
was John was was great and and and I
[1:41:15] appreciate everything he said but but
was very good about the the comment
[1:41:22] about the textbook approach to this I
think what I want to say and what I want
[1:41:27] to convey to everyone is that yes there
is a textbook approach
[1:41:33] but our approach is what's right for
this community and what's right for this
[1:41:39] mall specifically it's not just about
what the textbook says you're supposed
[1:41:44] to do it's what it's what it's gonna
work best here to give you just a tiny
[1:41:52] bit of background we Centennial I grew
up in retailing so I come at the real
[1:42:00] estate business we're not just we're not
a typical developer we're an owner of
[1:42:06] great retail projects because I grew up
in retail I was
[1:42:11] I owned a retail company that had 60
stores in the southwest and 30 were in
[1:42:15] malls and we come at this from being
from a business that is based on
[1:42:25] engaging customers and and creating
experiences for people and for customers
[1:42:32] so while Oliver's going to walk through
a presentation our vision is to create
[1:42:37] this dynamic destination that is the
place for the people that live in this
[1:42:48] community to take their kids to take
their grandkids for Millennials for
[1:42:56] school-aged kids to experience to do the
things that they do in life to
[1:43:03] experience life everyone talks about as
John mentioned everybody talks about
[1:43:06] e-commerce and the internet and that's
not what we are if you if you buy your
[1:43:12] dog food or you shop buy toilet paper or
whatever you do to shop online that's
[1:43:16] great but that's not what this is gonna
be this is this is what you do in life
[1:43:23] when you leave your house this is this
is your social interaction this is
[1:43:29] entertainment
this is recreational this is this is
[1:43:35] living this is all about living your
life and so the context of all of this
[1:43:41] project is based upon the fact first of
all that we're a long term owned
[1:43:46] we're not developing a project to sell
it we're not here to kind of come in we
[1:43:52] made a several hundred million dollar
investment in this community and we're
[1:43:57] gonna make a several hundred million
dollar more investment in this community
[1:44:02] and that is going to take us a very long
time to make sense of financially it
[1:44:10] will not make sense for many many years
because we're investing now for the
[1:44:16] future John talked about a lot of
tenants nordstrom von Maur all these
[1:44:22] tenants those are great thoughts but
they won't come to this mall today they
[1:44:29] will not come here today they will only
come here Apple is a pipe dream until we
[1:44:37] do what we're going to do then we have a
fighting chance if we do what we're
[1:44:42] going to do and make this one of the
most dominant and exciting properties
[1:44:50] and destinations and gathering places to
go for all of you and all of you for the
[1:44:57] next 30 years and for your kids for your
grandkids for your friends when they
[1:45:01] come to town then we have a chance to
get Apple and to get Nordstrom and to
[1:45:08] get Von Maur and to get the tenants and
the restaurants and the businesses and
[1:45:15] the entertainment facilities the the
kinds of things that will resonate with
[1:45:21] you that that you want and one thing
about us that I I want to I want to make
[1:45:28] this point we are somewhat unique we're
we're fortunate with us a being our
[1:45:35] partner we're a long long long long term
and the benefit to that is twofold we're
[1:45:44] making a very big investment that
financially makes no sense for us to
[1:45:49] make unless we own it for a very long
time and so very few people can do that
[1:45:55] we're very lucky to be able to have a
partner like them that will in
[1:46:00] for the future otherwise you can't do it
that's why many of the malls won't
[1:46:05] survive because there's no one to make
the investment that we're willing to
[1:46:09] make and this mall has lost fifty
million dollars in sales since we bought
[1:46:15] it and it's going down every day and the
tax revenue is dropping every day that
[1:46:24] impacts the city tremendously but it
impacts the community because this is
[1:46:29] not the mall that causes people to get
up and say I want to go to Hawthorne
[1:46:36] like I did growing up I live three miles
from a mall in Dallas and we got up on
[1:46:43] Saturday and says let's go the mall
wasn't because there needed a pair of
[1:46:47] jeans it was because that was where we
wanted to go and hang out and do things
[1:46:52] well that's what we're gonna do we're
gonna bring this to a place where you're
[1:46:57] gonna get up and say not just on
Saturdays but nights weekends let's go
[1:47:03] to Hawthorne because there's open air
plazas with restaurants choices of
[1:47:12] restaurants there's music there's art
there's any number of things we would
[1:47:18] like to do and we don't even know what
we want to do we don't know what
[1:47:21] restaurant want to go to but we're gonna
go because it's it's the place that we
[1:47:26] can enjoy ourselves and we can find the
things that we do want to do and and to
[1:47:34] do that though going back to my second
point about being a long-term owner is
[1:47:41] that we have to make the right choices
and we're not making fast choices today
[1:47:50] that's hard to do it's hard to not fill
it up with crap and fill it up with just
[1:47:55] the wrong people the wrong tenants the
wrong that's the easy thing to do to
[1:48:00] just put income in there but it's not
the right thing to do to develop the
[1:48:05] kind of vision we want to create for the
long term and we're able to do that
[1:48:11] we've lost the third of our income since
we
[1:48:13] bought them all a third of our income
since we bought them all and I mean how
[1:48:23] many people will not only bail out not
bail out but say I'm gonna invest
[1:48:32] several hundred million dollars to make
this one of the and I'm serious I I know
[1:48:38] you don't know me but I'm very serious
this is going to be one of the most
[1:48:44] dominant exciting energy driven engaging
places in the Chicagoland area that's
[1:48:53] our commitment to you that's our
commitment to the community I know
[1:48:57] there's people that say I don't want I
don't where the residential strikes a
[1:49:03] chord with some people that we're gonna
bring at school kids or some issue about
[1:49:08] having kids that may impact the schools
first of all those aren't the apartments
[1:49:16] were building we're not building
apartments for families with children
[1:49:19] that that's I understand that comment I
understand that point but we're not
[1:49:26] building those apartments when you're
building micro units and small 850
[1:49:33] square foot apartments for Millennials
and for young people before they ever
[1:49:37] have children
that's not for families and so we
[1:49:43] recognize the issue but we're not
building those kinds of apartments the
[1:49:49] apartments though are a factor in
creating this entire project that is a
[1:49:56] very integrated project that creates
this destination it's not it's small
[1:50:03] compared to the 450 million dollars
we're gonna have invested in this thing
[1:50:09] it's a small part of it but it's a
meaningful part for the viability of the
[1:50:16] mall is the centerpiece the mall is the
centerpiece we have to make it
[1:50:21] successful everything we're doing is to
make it successful
[1:50:26] pure and simple that's what we're doing
we want this to be something you're
[1:50:31] proud of
we want it to be something that the
[1:50:35] community that the village is proud of
that people that live here are proud of
[1:50:41] and want to go to all the time that's
what's gonna make us successful and
[1:50:47] that's what we are that's what this
shows this is a long-term plan this
[1:50:56] doesn't happen overnight and the last
thing I'll say and I'm sorry for for
[1:51:03] going on and on and on I know it's late
but but we're very passionate about this
[1:51:10] and I could I could stand up here quite
frankly for quite some time we're very
[1:51:16] very passionate about this project and I
can't wait to come back and stand up
[1:51:23] here with the mayor and open this
project and show you and announce what
[1:51:31] we've done and what this is going to be
and I will come back for that but we
[1:51:39] need the community support we're we're
investing a tremendous amount and we've
[1:51:46] already made a big investment in the
community and we're okay with that we
[1:51:50] made it
when Sears closed we bought their
[1:51:54] building we bought their building
because if we didn't control it we
[1:51:59] couldn't do this
somebody could buy that and come in and
[1:52:04] crap up the mall do something that is
totally contrary to what we're
[1:52:09] describing when Carson's closed we
bought that we made two additional
[1:52:16] commitments of millions and millions of
dollars to control the real estate so we
[1:52:21] can execute this strategy and look we
hope Macy's and Penny's never go away
[1:52:29] but we have to be prepared that this is
a project over time this is we're doing
[1:52:36] something for the next 30 years for this
community and
[1:52:39] we want to hear from you we put up in
the mall aboard a chalkboard that says
[1:52:44] tell us who you want here we want it to
be what you want we can't promise you we
[1:52:49] can go out and get Apple and get
Nordstrom and get these tenants but we
[1:52:53] want to know and we want to try and
we're gonna try and we're gonna do
[1:52:57] everything we can
it's going to take us time to get there
[1:53:01] but we are we are committed to do this
and we are genuinely passionate about
[1:53:09] making it happen for the community and
for the village of Vernon Hills so we're
[1:53:17] we're here we're gonna walk through the
presentation we're always available to
[1:53:25] come back and talk to sit down and
listen to what you have to say we're
[1:53:31] happy to do it I honestly I will tell
you I'm happy to come up here happy to
[1:53:35] sit down and and talk about it and tell
you what what we're doing we want your
[1:53:41] input because again how I started it's
your mom it's your project and we're
[1:53:47] just trying to make it something that
you're proud of and that you want to go
[1:53:50] to because that's ultimately what's
gonna make it successful so thank you
[1:53:56] for indulging me and letting me kind of
rant on it and speak and Oliver I'm
[1:54:02] gonna give it to you to walk through the
presentation what I'm not going anywhere
[1:54:19] what I need to be working toward alright
so just to give you a quick overview of
[1:54:41] kind of what we want to talk about kind
of as far as specifics go you know first
[1:54:46] of all our request today is for approval
of our concept we're looking for
[1:54:51] approval the conceptual plan that we're
bringing to you obviously going forward
[1:54:56] assuming we get that right that gives us
a level of commitment without a lot of
[1:55:00] real commitment for us to push forward
in terms of the pretty significant
[1:55:05] dollars we start spending as we move
toward toward a real project you know
[1:55:10] we've we've already expended a lot of
time energy and money into planning you
[1:55:17] know kind of what we have to present to
you and and you know next steps are
[1:55:23] really taking this to the next level in
terms of that planning so we can talk a
[1:55:28] little bit about the Hawthorn mall kind
of the approach that we have at
[1:55:31] Centennial some of the big picture
trends which which John and Steven
[1:55:36] already hit on so I'll probably blow
through some of those quickly cuz you've
[1:55:39] heard it before and then I'm gonna take
you through you know what we're looking
[1:55:42] at in terms of you know the
transformation of Hawthorne mall
[1:55:47] specifically you know the master plans
finally ending in our commitment there
[1:55:53] Steven mentioned some of the players we
have what we consider best-in-class
[1:55:58] partners both as financial partners as
well as planning partners legal we feel
[1:56:04] like we have a good team here and we're
very proud of the team that we have
[1:56:09] working on this mall as far as our
approach goes you know there's a number
[1:56:13] of kind of big picture things that we
try to hit on as we plan a
[1:56:17] transformation of them all everything
from a distinct experience we want to
[1:56:23] ensure that we nod to and include the
community that that individual mall is
[1:56:29] in as Steven mentioned we always want an
elevated tenant mix that is we want to
[1:56:35] make sure that we are taking the tenancy
to the next level from what's there at a
[1:56:40] given point today and that's been
addressed mixed-use near the mixed-use
[1:56:46] the importance of mixed uses was was
alluded to earlier and a Steven
[1:56:50] mentioned is really something that's
happening in a lot of properties across
[1:56:55] the country right now whether it used to
be this segregation of retail here
[1:56:59] office here housing over here people
want
[1:57:04] more of an urban feel in terms of
walkability livability shop ability
[1:57:10] dining there's a trend toward mixed-use
and we feel like it's a good one and it
[1:57:16] fits well within mall strategies often
given our large parking lots that were
[1:57:22] designed 37 years ago that are no longer
required in terms of kind of the same
[1:57:27] kind of parking ratios we've got a lot
of land it doesn't exist in a lot of
[1:57:31] other real estate the final one because
this holistic approach embracing the
[1:57:38] Omni channels again it's been discussed
and John discussed kind of how this
[1:57:43] retail Armageddon is it really a retail
Armageddon there's a change consumer
[1:57:48] behavior is changing there is shopping
online that one denies that but as was
[1:57:55] noted you've got people that were online
players that are opening bricks and
[1:57:59] mortar stores across the country because
that presence is needed that customer
[1:58:04] face-to-face interaction that needed and
we are working with retailers trying to
[1:58:10] bring that to fruition as well it's
important to get that that holistic
[1:58:16] approach with retailers as part of our
mall and we're excited about that it
[1:58:21] really has changed the environment I
don't hit two big trends here let's skip
[1:58:28] over these trends presentation but there
are trends going on and we feel like
[1:58:35] those open up opportunities it's a
transformation overview we've been
[1:58:43] spending a whole lot of time master
planning again we started with the seer
[1:58:47] site we've obviously got the mall itself
and we have the Carson's tracks so we've
[1:58:52] had a lot of things to look at one of
the things that we're going to get to
[1:58:54] later is really not as pertinent to kind
of a zoning action coming up but we want
[1:59:01] to show you what we're thinking about
inside the mall as well because in order
[1:59:05] to transform this asset we really have
to include a change to the interior of
[1:59:11] the mall we can't simply you know add
different
[1:59:16] uses and add a mixed-use experience to
the mall and then leave the interior of
[1:59:22] the mall as it is there's got to be
investment throughout and we're ready to
[1:59:26] address some of that and show you some
of the thoughts we have as well
[1:59:31] enhanced dining eighteen our destination
is kind of something we talked about we
[1:59:35] want people at the mall we want to give
people reasons to be there living
[1:59:39] shopping etc all the all the reasons to
be there that we've talked about
[1:59:45] previously
you know grocers there's been discussion
[1:59:49] of brochure you know I think the
president said it very well been saying
[2:00:00] a lot there's distinguishing I've lost
the word down you know can't can't other
[2:00:11] grocers survived absolutely they all fit
a different niche right right these
[2:00:15] grocers have different niches and
there's a lot of grocery dollars being
[2:00:21] spent and burning hills and around and
we believe that there's room for more
[2:00:26] grocers in the community that's the one
thing you can be sure people are gonna
[2:00:29] shop at right all the other uses have
been flowed people buy groceries Mike
[2:00:37] you can use one of the stand-up fun okay
I just want to interject one comment
[2:00:43] there that was related to your comment
about the H Mart and I'm very familiar
[2:00:50] with H Mart and and I think the point
about that which I think is very
[2:00:54] relevant is that is that we don't want
and again it goes back to our overall
[2:01:01] vision we don't want just any grocer we
don't want just a grocer because that's
[2:01:07] what you think should be here if it's
not interesting and if it's not
[2:01:11] experiential and if it's not unique and
if it doesn't provide something that the
[2:01:16] community doesn't have then we're not
going to do it but but if we can bring
[2:01:22] you a an international or very different
distinctive grocer that
[2:01:30] provide something this community does
not have then that is that is a
[2:01:35] difference maker that is something that
we want to do so we're not just going to
[2:01:41] bring you know the seventh grocer that
does the same thing the other six do
[2:01:47] because if it's not going to be
successful we don't want to do it either
[2:01:51] and we don't want to be just like
everybody else we want to do this in a
[2:01:55] way that's gonna be very unique and
special so exactly as you say it may not
[2:02:00] be that one but it's that exact point of
bringing something that is different
[2:02:05] that is not the same as H Mart for
example they sold a fish that's right
[2:02:11] okay so we could have some gain there
from like from Pike's Market every once
[2:02:16] while throwing a fish that's the expert
that's exactly right and and I mean yeah
[2:02:32] yeah and and a lot of this did there
listen we've got we don't we own a
[2:02:45] property that has 99 Ranch Market in it
which is the most dominant national
[2:02:50] Asian grocery not Korean Chinese and
Taiwanese they're phenomenal and it is
[2:02:55] exciting and it's a great business to be
in so we we get that I'm only point is
[2:03:01] we're really really taking our time to
do this in a manner that creates
[2:03:07] something that is that is unique and
special not trying to bring you the
[2:03:11] seventh grocer that is of the same kind
[2:03:18] right
[2:03:27] yeah sure and we saw that with the screw
sure that Stephen was referencing in
[2:03:34] Dallas they had a massive following we
have our own example right across the
[2:03:39] street here true through the-- i know
i'm killing the name but it's an indian
[2:03:45] grocer and that is the first entity that
has really taken hold in this little
[2:03:53] mini mall here and it's serving an ish i
did serving the indian market but it's
[2:03:58] also serving part of the asian market
too because there's a fair crossover
[2:04:03] right some of the products they carry so
yeah that a specific market to target it
[2:04:11] to a demographic sure perfect let's move
on then to the plans here the current
[2:04:18] site plan everyone's familiar with the
current site plan macy's JCPenney on the
[2:04:22] north the old Carson's box on the south
and the Sears box to the east there so
[2:04:29] what we're dealing with when we had when
we had to plan this out is we've got a
[2:04:33] significant grade change that goes right
up against the Sears we've also got you
[2:04:41] know a ton of parking you've also got a
big obsolete box that in today's world
[2:04:46] don't have users that use 200,000 square
feet you rarely have users that actually
[2:04:53] take a hundred thousand square feet as
was mentioned earlier these footprints
[2:04:56] are shrinking so what we wanted to do
was find a way to make use of the land
[2:05:02] to engage customers to interface with
the mall in a different way to provide
[2:05:09] something that gave Vernon Hills a four
seasons opportunity to both you know use
[2:05:17] what we build on the east side as well
as to to give them a way to you know
[2:05:23] basically a new way to funnel people
into the mall in the end as Steven has
[2:05:26] said everything we're doing is to
strengthen our current investment to
[2:05:31] strengthen the mall to ensure it's a
viable asset for Vernon Hills and a
[2:05:35] viable funding source for Vernon Hills
far into the future
[2:05:39] so here's a big picture of what we've
put together so far the laser does this
[2:05:46] have a laser pointer there it is it's
kind of petering out unfortunately
[2:06:03] let's address the let's address the the
the Carson's box first much better so
[2:06:16] first of all the Carson's box is a
little bit simpler we don't have as much
[2:06:19] land on the Carson's tract as we do here
[2:06:25] because the reason the reason for you
using the mouse is because it's going to
[2:06:30] be televised and the people will see
that where they won't see that got it
[2:06:35] got it
so the Carson's box we have basically
[2:06:39] two new boxes planned this is the grocer
on the east side and here we're still
[2:06:45] talking to a number of potential tenants
but we expect this to be what we'll call
[2:06:49] the daily needs section right we're
gonna have our daily needs of residents
[2:06:54] met we're and give people a reason to
come in we're still gonna have the
[2:06:58] experience interplay between the mall
and the exterior a very small green
[2:07:05] space plaza and we expect that the
grocer is going to be able to basically
[2:07:11] I'll call it seamlessly fade into the
mall we expect there to be an interplay
[2:07:18] within the mall that connects the
grocery operation and the experience of
[2:07:23] the shopper in the mall absolutely but
from the mall you'll be able to
[2:07:31] interface and see they'll be you know
they'll be interaction there between the
[2:07:35] mall and the grocer we have some square
feet building the big build is a 50,000
[2:07:44] square feet and the smaller building
somewhere the range of 20 to 30 thousand
[2:07:51] could be multiple tenants we've got a
couple larger tenants that we think
[2:07:56] could take the whole space you can see
it's eating up some of the mall space as
[2:07:59] well which is very important in this day
and age we've got a lot of small shop
[2:08:03] space that isn't where the mall needs to
be today in terms of small shop space so
[2:08:08] anything that allows us to eat some of
the small depths of the small shop space
[2:08:12] much of which is too
for today's marketplace is a good thing
[2:08:16] as far as we're concerned okay
did we move over to Sears box and the
[2:08:21] Sears box we're trying to create a you
know a basically an urban environment
[2:08:26] that has food and beverage offerings has
retail offerings has again the living
[2:08:33] offering right we're trying to create a
true streetscape an urban streetscape
[2:08:41] that basically will pull off of off of
Milwaukee obviously we've been very
[2:08:48] careful to maintain sight lines from
Milwaukee into the mall can you go
[2:08:54] through each of those elements yes so
you're over the brown and now you're all
[2:08:59] right what each of those represents sure
sure so we have basically the yellow
[2:09:05] here is retail slash food and beverage
above the retail is the multi-family
[2:09:14] we've got a garage in the middle the
lower level of the garage services
[2:09:20] retail upper levels would be exclusive
to multifamily on this side the same
[2:09:28] again we're founded by the geometry here
of the great change but we've got garage
[2:09:34] wrapped with multifamily and then we've
got the retail offering along the street
[2:09:42] we have a very small medium within the
street which is you know something that
[2:09:48] you basically you want this to be very
inviting in terms of people cross
[2:09:53] shopping both sides of the street it's a
fairly walkable very slow it's very
[2:09:57] regular very pedestrian a very addition
[2:10:04] what do they do those kind of details
we'll have to figure out down the road I
[2:10:16] doubt it'll be a tunnel but but it would
most likely be mixture heated sidewalks
[2:10:22] and
[2:10:24] over your nagging you know right we had
a we had a bad winter I know everybody
[2:10:32] agree with one get one thing sure hey
then we've got a Plaza space here this
[2:10:43] Plaza space will be programmed it will
be usable for seasons out of the year
[2:10:49] obviously you have very different uses
in the summers compared to the winters
[2:10:53] here but there's ways to make this
programmable and usable all four seasons
[2:10:58] or the blue areas are one part that's
multifamily what time the perimeter the
[2:11:04] lower right hand corner you know right
now this is to be determined this is
[2:11:09] actually a plan we just had a new plan
come out today actually this was gonna
[2:11:13] be some kind of different type of
multi-family housing to be determined
[2:11:18] there was just some extra square footage
and they filled in space the latest plan
[2:11:23] doesn't even have this it could be a
townhome type product to be determined
[2:11:30] so these are about four these are about
four stories no the blue part is four
[2:11:47] stories so Brown is one story or two
stories right parking underneath it's a
[2:11:54] mixture of three and four stories
depending on you got buildings we have
[2:12:01] lots of yes I think again one thing I
just want to point out that just we're
[2:12:11] creating these outdoor clauses that are
part of what we're going to do in these
[2:12:18] projects is create
[2:12:25] music you know it's very important that
that you know we're gonna be activating
[2:12:33] these areas both inside and outside
we're gonna do something inside that's
[2:12:37] going to be unbelievably amazing in the
center quarter of this dismal that in
[2:12:46] addition to the ability to to have a lot
of kids areas to be playing and having
[2:12:54] wine and coffee and kind of a central
park theme inside the ball but we're
[2:12:59] going to be creating these areas and
activating them with music and with art
[2:13:04] activations where we can bring the
community in to do art changes and
[2:13:11] constantly the schools come in and bring
art projects and we're gonna have a lot
[2:13:17] of that community activity and music
from the community so that it's
[2:13:21] constantly when you're coming here
you're you're you're really being
[2:13:26] energized by what's going on so I just I
just want you to kind of it's hard to
[2:13:31] see we've got you know pictures but it's
hard to see we're gonna try to speed it
[2:13:40] up a little bit we've got some pictures
we had some renderings done of the plans
[2:13:44] this is looking at the brochure this is
look at the streetscape down towards the
[2:13:52] mall president burns want me to speed it
up oh no now you know now you're getting
[2:14:06] it a good don't speed this up speed up
that stuff that nobody wants to hear
[2:14:12] this is these three that go back just
two more just take it take two seconds
[2:14:18] I flew here from Dallas
[2:14:21] yeah this wouldn't I mean seriously
seriously take a look this was it this
[2:14:27] is a Carson's box the I mean the
transformation of this I mean you've got
[2:14:37] to look at it and say well what a change
it will bring this is a tremendous
[2:14:46] change a tremendous investment being
made that is opening up creating another
[2:14:51] area that we're where that where the
Carson's box is so that that that's what
[2:14:58] that is there along though you'll see
along that store is all outdoor seating
[2:15:03] all along the store all the way to get
up into the mall and there's some green
[2:15:09] space there so go to the next one this
is awfully dramatic when you say this
[2:15:18] this is creating an urban feel
distressed game that is walkable dining
[2:15:26] sitting outside the apartments are above
and it can lead straight into the wall
[2:15:33] this is the Sears parcel and this is
this is not typically found
[2:15:46] I'm sorry I I just again I just want you
to focus on it for a minute because this
[2:15:52] is in my opinion this is you're not
going to see this very many places not
[2:15:59] in the suburbs in many areas anywhere
around the country and it's a total
[2:16:07] transformation total change and this is
going to lead to this Plaza with music
[2:16:12] and with art and with activations so go
to the third one
[2:16:17] that's the plaza and one thing that
you're also going to find here you can
[2:16:23] see the AMC there today the AMC this the
AMC is is 25 30 feet above the Sears
[2:16:31] building so you can't even see the AMC
you come in here you can't you can't see
[2:16:37] the AMC at all unless you're on the
other side of the mall this is going to
[2:16:41] create a total different vision and view
we're going to create steps what I'm
[2:16:49] calling the Spanish Steps that are going
from here all the way up to the AMC
[2:16:55] theater area so you're going to be able
to kind of come up and down front from
[2:17:01] the theater where we've had where
Westfield built restaurants that are not
[2:17:05] least at all because nobody knows
they're there
[2:17:10] Sears blocks the the entire view and
vision so by tearing the Sears building
[2:17:16] down you're going to be able to open up
that whole side of the mall where we can
[2:17:22] create tenants and excitement and energy
where the theater is now and then have
[2:17:28] really attractive steps down to this
plaza area where we'll have restaurants
[2:17:35] that you can sit with music and overlook
the plaza and and so I just wanted to
[2:17:42] spend five minutes for three minutes
because a lot of the conversation is
[2:17:47] great but this is special you get any
more pictures yes
[2:17:54] this was the existing wall I'm here you
you click and I'm visiting wall then
[2:18:03] here's the mall today here's the center
court of the mall today
[2:18:07] ok we're gonna spend thank you I'm sorry
I just get a little a little animated
[2:18:14] about this we're we're gonna we're gonna
spend up flip to the to the next line
[2:18:21] we're gonna spend right now we are we
are working on this for this holiday
[2:18:26] time we're going to spend five million
dollars in the mall to create something
[2:18:32] that is I don't know you'll see it
anywhere it where else and we're getting
[2:18:39] no return on that money but we have to
do it we have to do it today that starts
[2:18:45] the conversation with tenants about why
you need to be here because we have to
[2:18:50] demonstrate what we're going to do we
have to demonstrate our commitment to
[2:18:54] this project and and this is what we're
calling kind of a Central Park area
[2:18:59] where you can go bring your kids your
kids can play you could sit around you
[2:19:04] can get coffee
hopefully wine and create this totally
[2:19:10] immersive exciting area in the mall that
that is going to be spectacular and and
[2:19:20] we're you know this we don't obviously
we're not we're not here for this we're
[2:19:25] you know we're doing this we we feel
that we can't let them all sit today if
[2:19:31] you know malls in America are going one
of two ways they're going down and
[2:19:40] they're going up only if people invest
in them if you don't invest in them all
[2:19:45] its going down and as evidence the last
three and a half years we've lost a
[2:19:51] third of our income and fifty million
dollars of sales so if we don't start
[2:19:54] doing this quickly we're going the wrong
direction anymore well I mean seriously
[2:20:03] I mean you know this is what's there now
okay there now that
[2:20:07] the last piece of is really kind of the
messaging the transformation again the
[2:20:12] art installations that we're working on
bringing some local artists but again we
[2:20:17] just want you to understand kind of what
we're working on behind the scenes in
[2:20:21] addition to what we're asking for today
now you get a good picture of a concept
[2:20:26] picture of the apartment
you said Dewey well I mean you're 30
[2:20:33] what we included here how we saw some
wood above the retail right that's right
[2:20:37] okay is it all above the retail
it's not all above the retail some of it
[2:20:42] that's away from the retail is down to
grade what's that but we don't have
[2:20:50] elevations yet we haven't gotten that
level of design it's all the same
[2:20:57] building no no no no no we're not no
we're not building well that
[2:21:02] unfortunately that was put on the stack
that was it was a it was a space filler
[2:21:09] architect put that on there and we're
not building townhomes it's apartments
[2:21:14] two projects one on each side over the
retail that they'll be they'll be
[2:21:23] apartments over the retail but they'll
also be behind the retail on from the
[2:21:28] ground up how many resident how many
units it's about what showed is about
[2:21:34] 450 units are you considering a hotel in
this absolutely well it would be another
[2:21:42] phase I mean we want a hotel but there
hasn't been the focus and the interest
[2:21:46] yet I mean it's absolutely something we
want we we've got we've got we've
[2:21:53] started to get interest again people
have to see that we're doing this to to
[2:21:59] get to get really the once we start this
project we are going to start
[2:22:05] aggregating you know because again we
don't want to just put any hotel out
[2:22:12] here we're not just looking to sell our
land or to bring somebody on just to get
[2:22:15] it we want to get the right hotel for
this market and who we opened is
[2:22:21] the residents before before we do that
I've got a few questions okay so - you
[2:22:26] mention hotel but where where where
would it go well first of all you know
[2:22:31] part of it has to do with the hotel and
we're you know we just can't tell them
[2:22:36] to go anywhere what we have the Carson's
box that is vacant today
[2:22:42] I'm sorry the Carson's furniture store
that is vacant today but wouldn't you
[2:22:46] want the hotel to be attached to the
mall and the great in the mall it
[2:22:51] depends on what it is
it depends on what type of hotel it is a
[2:22:55] lot of hotels do not want to be or not
or not designed to be part of them a
[2:22:59] mall if if it's a Western high-rise
hotel that would be one thing but so far
[2:23:05] the interest we've had is not from that
kind of a brand it's from more boutique
[2:23:10] a loft or brands that are not connected
to two malls and so they don't want to
[2:23:16] be part of it is what you know we can't
what we want sometimes isn't always what
[2:23:21] the market commands but we absolutely a
hotel is just like residential hotel is
[2:23:29] a critical element that we want to have
at the mall but again it's a it's a
[2:23:35] process of having to get the the project
to a point to where we can control more
[2:23:41] of who we want than just who's showing
up I get that but I mean I've been to
[2:23:47] the I don't know which mall you went to
in Dallas but or wherever you were in
[2:23:52] Texas but I've been to the one that has
a very nice mall with a very nice the
[2:23:56] Galleria - yeah the Galleria like a West
did right there right that's exciting to
[2:24:00] stay at a place like that where you can
stay there and in and be at the ball
[2:24:06] always would you're not if we could get
that but you're preaching to the choir
[2:24:11] right if we could get that today not a
chance
[2:24:15] and I get that today but I just want to
make sure that your plans would allow
[2:24:19] for that because if you're thinking that
they're gonna be in a box in the back no
[2:24:24] one's gonna want to go there but oh well
again today that option doesn't exist
[2:24:30] the options that exist today are hotels
not
[2:24:34] anywhere near that that type of hotel
mm-hmm that that would be that would be
[2:24:40] on our property detached from the mall
that's the hotel opportunity today but
[2:24:46] in the future if the concept was
different in a hotel wanted to come in
[2:24:53] and be attached to the new mall where
would it be well you guys have a plan
[2:25:00] for that we have a plan yet
we need that hotel to come there's a
[2:25:04] plenty of places to connect to the mall
it would most likely be taking down some
[2:25:08] small shop space it could be between
Macy's and JC Penney right Mei knows we
[2:25:14] have plenty of land here everything that
you could you could reconfigure the mall
[2:25:17] to allow for we wait okay if we are
willing to do whatever it takes pretty
[2:25:24] amazing things and so if we get the
right hotel we're gonna figure out how
[2:25:29] to get them at the mall maybe can they
point out where your land is okay now
[2:25:34] you know you got Carson now you we know
you get serious yeah where's your land
[2:25:39] for you know is the you know part is
there lets you have everything except
[2:25:47] for Macy's and Penny's everything he has
everything except for Macy's and Penny's
[2:25:53] that picture know what I'm saying
where's your parking fields just for the
[2:26:01] you know what I mean - to own it is they
already over by between you know pennies
[2:26:07] and it's going to be hard to say - while
you're while you're trying to find that
[2:26:21] out you've been using level of Sears
this is there's AMC we don't own JC
[2:26:40] Penney's and we'll show you that psycho
but what we're talking about it Carson's
[2:26:44] in its ears that's not 60 acres
it no no no no because you won't some
[2:26:51] additional land that's that's right
that's 30 acres between Carson's and
[2:26:54] Sears where do you know we can't go to
the mouse again because you control 64
[2:27:20] acres of land said well we sites 108 we
control you're right we could that's
[2:27:29] what we control but the mall is sitting
on no but the we have we just bought 30
[2:27:37] acres from Carson's and Sears the other
36 we own the mall is sitting on we
[2:27:45] don't have much okay because this mall
the four anchors owned all of their
[2:27:52] parking in their land well but what
you're down to is because you own
[2:27:56] everything you bought seriously you're
down to the only thing you don't own is
[2:28:00] Macy's and pen and pen and and their
party % of the parking lot it goes with
[2:28:06] Macy's and Penny's right that's exactly
right about 15% of the parking that
[2:28:09] that's right and because that was gonna
be one of my questions I've heard you
[2:28:13] using the term master plan have they've
been talking to us have you been talking
[2:28:17] to them absolutely meet me with them
every couple months yeah because I would
[2:28:21] like to have all of you in the same room
as we get closer to a final plan because
[2:28:26] if you're gonna truly talk about master
plan it has to include Macy's and
[2:28:30] Penny's because they've already been
talking about some stuff on there well
[2:28:34] they they're they're giving us their
approval to do to do what we're doing
[2:28:38] here we we have a good rule we have a
great relationship but then we speak to
[2:28:43] them all the time right now listen this
is a what we're proposing today is is
[2:28:52] massive
I mean it's it's massive to do this on
[2:28:57] this kind of a project because again we
- we have to get them all we're not just
[2:29:04] trying to build around them all we're
trying to get them all to be I
[2:29:08] understand the Bible project and we're
no that's that's why I want to make sure
[2:29:12] that women and Macy's and any sort of we
would have to have them in the room well
[2:29:17] Macy's and Penny's may be there for the
next 10 I don't know they may be there
[2:29:23] for many years
Penny's has already talked to us Penny's
[2:29:25] if we brought if we had a hotel and we
needed some of Penny's land I'm telling
[2:29:30] you they would be willing to give we
their lands we build it okay we are the
[2:29:33] dominant we are the one that is creating
the project that is beneficial to them
[2:29:39] and so they understand the investment
we're making is significant to the value
[2:29:45] of their store and their real estate and
so you know I asked you a little bit
[2:29:50] about the the residences again sure you
made the comment that there wasn't a
[2:29:54] tunnel I'm a little concerned that
you're trying to sell to older people
[2:29:58] and there's no no direct access to the
interior I mean we as you don't you're
[2:30:06] from Texas you didn't go through what we
just went through I would I would be a
[2:30:10] little concerned about buying in a place
you know when I get to that age when I
[2:30:16] get to that age when I get to that age
that your age so when I when I when I
[2:30:26] get to that age and and and I'm looking
to buy a place that has direct access in
[2:30:31] in Taurus Bay indoor space that I would
have to trudge through the snow whatever
[2:30:37] just like we were talking about the
hotel it's nice to be directly attached
[2:30:42] so at least if you could build an
underground passage for all of these
[2:30:47] residences so that you can list that as
an amenity when it's nasty out they
[2:30:52] don't have to go outside to use the
indoor space and get to that kind of
[2:30:56] environment that was just a point I
don't know how much you know how much of
[2:31:01] an infrastructure change it would take
and and cost but but I think I think
[2:31:07] that would be pretty significant as an
attraction
[2:31:12] financing because we haven't that's a
whole nother that's a whole nother
[2:31:16] section but but I think in terms of
conceptually I think to really to really
[2:31:21] sell it to I've been 400 units to be to
say your next door to the mall isn't
[2:31:26] quite the same as well direct access to
them well that's where I was coming from
[2:31:30] even like you know some kind of a
covering and you writing for red heaters
[2:31:35] in there something no I mean I guess
they can do that in the winter time if
[2:31:40] there's a direct path that they could do
that integrate that into the design plan
[2:31:44] that there's some kind of you know I I
think I guess what I would say a couple
[2:31:50] things
sure first of all we are not well number
[2:32:02] one as an overall theme everything we're
trying to do everything we're going to
[2:32:08] do where we are committed to do it the
best way that it will be done so our
[2:32:16] overall arching theme is that we're
spending five million dollars to make
[2:32:23] the interior the mall look look
phenomenal today mm-hmm so we're not we
[2:32:31] do have a limit and we do have you know
partners that there is a point at which
[2:32:37] we we can't spend anything we want to
spend but as an overarching theme as I
[2:32:45] said we're committed to making this a
phenomenal a phenomenal project so
[2:32:50] everything that you're pointing out is
is a consideration of ours as to how to
[2:32:56] make it as best as we can make it
giving the constraints that we can't
[2:33:00] spend any amount of money so we have to
there is a point in which we have to
[2:33:05] think about the dollars that we're
spending but we are very concerned about
[2:33:10] making sure it works well and that it's
integrated and it's not just putting an
[2:33:16] apartment project somewhere on our site
and then not trying to address how
[2:33:21] people get to the mall because we want
people to get to the mall in all four
[2:33:25] seas
and not feel an impediment so we don't
[2:33:31] have all those answers yeah well I'd
like to give it to some citizens
[2:33:36] comments right I've got later
yeah really to put things I want to
[2:33:41] cover number one I've noticed that
you've got three outlets that haven't
[2:33:46] ever been talked about before so that
makes a total of nine outlets so just I
[2:33:54] want to make sure that everybody
understands we're looking at more
[2:33:59] additional outlets and I don't know how
many people or how many businesses will
[2:34:06] want to fill those but that's quite a
few so you'll need to give us more input
[2:34:12] on that but I know tonight is not that
night this is a high level but the other
[2:34:19] and this is a point to be made you're
familiar with the Atwood apartments yes
[2:34:24] yes and they are going to be these
apartments that you're proposing here
[2:34:31] are going to be similar or even smaller
in individual size on a per unit basis
[2:34:39] is that correct that would be the
overall goal absolutely again it's all
[2:34:43] conceptual right now right but we have
but that's the direction you're heading
[2:34:46] that is the direction we're headed okay
and correct me if I'm wrong there
[2:34:53] mr. village manager but as of the last
count we were about two-thirds full
[2:34:59] in other words about three-quarters full
there over there over 73 percent okay so
[2:35:09] they're roughly two hundred units and we
have how many children we're out seven
[2:35:16] six from district 1 four dice building
one kid from Michael's his dad's the
[2:35:21] base the bottom line so we can wage that
point clearly right up front is that if
[2:35:36] these apartments are similar and we're
talking about
[2:35:39] basically doubling that number of
apartments going from the 240 to your
[2:35:45] 450 not quite doubling we should be
looking at somewhere around 10 to 12
[2:35:51] children they're not going to be
children live living and there won't be
[2:35:57] many that well there won't be met
they're not built for that right and
[2:36:01] neither neither is the existing well
that being said this is going to have a
[2:36:08] limited a very limited effect on schools
well how old is the milk current
[2:36:15] development okay and that's only 20 kids
about 300 units it's about 20 years old
[2:36:22] family / the actual number of students
coming out of there for district 73 is
[2:36:30] 22 and they pay almost $500,000 a year
the district 73 I want to turn this over
[2:36:42] to the residents who wants to come back
first thank you thanks guys here right
[2:36:49] just stay another night come on Julie
Julie you need this experience come and
[2:37:00] experience I don't know improve learn
you haven't been in the County Board and
[2:37:06] walk I'm here as a resident oh you are
okay
[2:37:12] Julie Simpson 21 Monterey Drive Vernon
Hills just a centennial I know as a
[2:37:19] resident myself we want success we want
the revenue into our village what's very
[2:37:24] important to us is that there are zero
children but in addition to having zero
[2:37:28] children is hawthorn 73 is underfunded
we need to ensure that the tax
[2:37:34] incentives the tax incentives are very
important I get that that's a part of it
[2:37:39] but any any housing any hotel and
Welling like that cannot come with tax
[2:37:47] incentives the schools need the money
and the only way for them to get that
[2:37:50] revenue is that type of
destruction and I heard the same thing
[2:37:58] trustee Brown heard with townhouses and
that is very scary we don't want that
[2:38:02] zero children's is the effort I mean I
know we might get one or two or three or
[2:38:06] four like at the at worth but the out
worth isn't going to produce have any
[2:38:11] revenue for twenty years we can't have
that again
[2:38:13] well let's explain the point that a
school district under the law can they
[2:38:19] actually approached us if for some
reason there was an explosion of
[2:38:24] children we have to put so much money
aside in an escrow account is that
[2:38:31] correct that is correct our definition
of explosion of children well they have
[2:38:40] the ability they have the ability to
come in and request for a redistribution
[2:38:47] of the TIF allocation number one number
two there are statutory minimum
[2:38:53] guarantees that provide that the school
districts are guaranteed a certain
[2:38:58] percentage of the increment in a TIF
situation to cut costs to the kid right
[2:39:03] that is designed to ensure that they're
covering the cost of educating the
[2:39:09] children and this to some extent needs
to be compared with the declining tax
[2:39:15] revenue that an asset like the Hawthorn
mall produces today
[2:39:18] or will produce in the future if that
kind of a development doesn't doesn't go
[2:39:24] forward and the mall ultimately dies so
those are the kind of both ends of these
[2:39:29] of the spectrum and the idea is to find
the perfect balance in between that
[2:39:34] guarantees financial security for the
school district which is something I
[2:39:39] know this board is absolutely committed
to and at the same time balancing that
[2:39:44] so that you come out with an
economically viable project that can
[2:39:49] ensure the success that the community
demands in you know I'm not a hundred
[2:39:53] percent blaming the village for it the
schools being crowded I mean it's a
[2:39:57] state funding issue it's I said I'm not
now just you're not a hundred percent
[2:40:01] well you're blaming us for something I
mean everybody has a small part in it I
[2:40:05] mean the biggest
problem is probably the state but what
[2:40:08] I'm looking for is the state okay I mean
that's that's probably the biggest
[2:40:13] problem is the funding model but but as
it stands right now the only way for the
[2:40:19] school to to add revenue is new
construction without children that
[2:40:24] generates tax dollars that's how it
stands and so it's more of a request of
[2:40:28] partnership to help solve the problem
did you hear the statement regarding
[2:40:33] three million dollars a year going to
district 73 right now from the mall I
[2:40:39] understand this pool is still under
funded there's no children coming out of
[2:40:46] the ball for God's sake thank you my
name is Cory group we actually live at
[2:41:01] 309 Alexandria Drive your model looks
really nice and I agree something needs
[2:41:06] to be done with the property and what it
looks like what would be great a couple
[2:41:11] of things that as I'm a chef I've worked
in restaurants for 30 years this town is
[2:41:20] oversaturated in restaurants I don't
know if anybody is aware of this but
[2:41:25] every single restaurant in this entire
area is struggling every single day to
[2:41:32] staff it there are no employees so if
you want to open three restaurants five
[2:41:37] restaurants ten restaurants we don't
have the people here to staff those the
[2:41:43] restaurants in this town are struggling
as it is we have a nice day population
[2:41:48] we're busy they're making money at night
everybody's struggling it's crickets to
[2:41:53] the restaurants that are not being you
know not being affected by online
[2:41:57] shopping that's actually not sure either
door - GrubHub ubereats I'm sure
[2:42:01] everybody here is used just to give you
an idea for every $10 somebody spends at
[2:42:07] any of those platforms the restaurant
pays about 3 dollars and 30 cents so I
[2:42:13] know if anybody knows that either so
that does cut into it along with home
[2:42:16] you'll replace can you explain it a
little further
[2:42:18] so the way that those those operate
those platforms operate the three big
[2:42:23] ones we'll say there's other ones out
there but the three big ones so say you
[2:42:27] place an order for $100 and we prepare
the food and it gets sent to your house
[2:42:31] I pay and say you used or - I paid or -
thirty three dollars out of my money so
[2:42:39] that's actually how it works a lot of
people don't know that so that actually
[2:42:42] cuts into a lot of stuff but here with
the just the the sheer number of
[2:42:46] restaurants that we have which is nice
for options but you continue to add to
[2:42:50] them its market saturation you might be
able to bring in Millennials and stuff
[2:42:54] like that but with Latinos are ordering
online they're doing a whole meal
[2:42:57] replacement you know they they get was
it hello fresh and those things but I
[2:43:04] just think everybody should be fully
aware of what it is like to actually
[2:43:07] operate a restaurant I have four
restaurants that I operate and I also
[2:43:11] feed 165 kids at emani's - Tori school
Monday through Friday and it's we do
[2:43:16] huge volume we are we're a big group but
we still struggle to get by every single
[2:43:22] day there's just not the employees and
then one other question I had to that
[2:43:26] with your apartments are you renting
those are you selling those you I rent
[2:43:32] to you okay I want to know that but
anyways I just wanted to say that piece
[2:43:36] cuz I don't think anybody really
understands what it is to work in a
[2:43:39] restaurant what we deal with every
single day you know it's it's a struggle
[2:43:43] every single day so I just wanted to say
that piece so everybody's aware asked
[2:43:51] you you have any of your operations
local here I've got one I've got a
[2:43:55] couple I've got three in Lake County one
in Chicago I tried to want to open one
[2:43:58] in town but it didn't work out because
we couldn't get a variance for a six by
[2:44:03] six cooler outside because of impervious
surface surfaces before I spoke - yeah
[2:44:13] we we actually we sat down with
everybody had a meeting with who I
[2:44:18] worked for
I worked for all tools pub group but we
[2:44:21] were going to open a little barbecue
place in town and we had little the
[2:44:28] breakfast place has got in its they do a
great job around 45
[2:44:32] we want to open a barbecue place and we
had asked if we could get a 6 by 6
[2:44:38] platform outside the building for a
cooler well and it was denied so the
[2:44:42] reason I the reason I was actually
asking the question was I was just
[2:44:45] curious what where do the employees come
from what's the the draw how far away to
[2:44:51] do the employees a lot of them I have
employees that can I have one employee
[2:44:56] those are my prospects I have a bunch
that live in Round Lake Lindenhurst I've
[2:45:04] got a couple from Mundelein one from
Waukegan two from our keegan my Lake
[2:45:10] Villa restaurant has people from Round
Lake gurney
[2:45:15] my greenie restaurant has Waukegan
gurney Round Lake
[2:45:20] that's pretty much more pulling from ya
[2:45:27] wait could you spell your last name and
we'd ask everybody else that comes up to
[2:45:31] please spell their last name speak
slowly so that the people who know thank
[2:45:40] you it's Group E it's gr ups and Patrick
E
[2:45:43] thank you sure
[2:45:55] yeah yeah right kick us out here hello
everyone
[2:46:03] michael Shank 587 central park SCH enk
resident the plan you know you have to
[2:46:11] evolve to survive I think everyone in
this town knows that I think everyone in
[2:46:16] this town knows at the mall I can use
the word dying is just as you said down
[2:46:20] I think a third in sales it's it's not
really a destination
[2:46:24] you know I applaud you to coming out
here and trying to make it a destination
[2:46:29] I do have a concern I know Julie the
first person who spoke is is potential
[2:46:36] of an increase in enrollment in our
schools I don't know if you've done your
[2:46:40] homework I don't I don't think you've
reached out to the school board I think
[2:46:43] you should to understand where we're at
with our enrollment you had said Levin
[2:46:52] correct mr. Levin mall belong to the
community enrich the lives of the Vernon
[2:46:59] Hills residents focused on the community
you need to reach out to the community
[2:47:04] more town-hall type meeting to get
suggestions from the community it's
[2:47:10] important I don't know how you can
ensure that families as you're writing
[2:47:16] here you wrote I'm not sure who wrote
this the luxury apartments will be
[2:47:21] marketed to young professionals and
empty nesters as something that offers
[2:47:25] an urban living experience with space to
live okay how do we ensure that there
[2:47:31] will no be no families with kids going
into the district we are busting at the
[2:47:35] seams I'm not going to talk about a
rehash what's been going on over the
[2:47:39] last year I think you should reach out
to the school board to really understand
[2:47:44] to make sure that those outlets do not
become townhouses that the apartments do
[2:47:50] not become more than what you're saying
850 square feet which is like a size of
[2:47:56] a large hotel room okay the other thing
like I said you have to evolve
[2:48:02] I'm all for new stores and restaurants I
think everybody wants a fresh change but
[2:48:07] there is a point I am in the
Strahm business also the labor market is
[2:48:10] terrible unemployment is low we can't
get anybody to work reliable it's an
[2:48:16] issue and I know it's happening in
retail so you have to be careful with
[2:48:19] that because we don't want to see places
fail nobody in this town wants to see
[2:48:23] Toys R Us go out nobody in this town
wants to see a restaurant that they used
[2:48:27] to like go out of business it's very
important you get in touch with the
[2:48:31] community into Town Hall type of fashion
maybe it might spark some other ideas
[2:48:36] phase three or even in Phase two thank
you
[2:48:57] good evening Carl Borchers 270 Danbury
that's Bo AR CH ER s thank you for
[2:49:03] coming here in person a echo the
compliments from the rest of the
[2:49:07] residents here I had two separate
questions one in relation to the
[2:49:12] overhaul I'd like to hear a little bit
more about the environmental impact what
[2:49:16] you're doing to the mall from a
long-term perspective whether its lead
[2:49:19] certifications or other things you're
doing in this overhaul that might be
[2:49:22] more sustainable as you talk about being
a member of the community and 30 years
[2:49:26] down the road and especially appealing
to the next generations that want to
[2:49:29] make sure that we're doing things that
are as you know to use the terms carbon
[2:49:32] neutral or what are we doing to make
sure we're making a right environmental
[2:49:35] impact to our community and then the
second thing I'd hear a little bit like
[2:49:38] to hear a little bit more about as you
talk about engaging and bringing energy
[2:49:43] is if you've pursued or had any interest
from organizations that would create
[2:49:48] entertainment space within the mall
development whether that's for musical
[2:49:52] acts to come through on a regional basis
or comedy or small productions from a
[2:49:58] theater perspective just to see that's
another opportunity to draw crowds into
[2:50:01] the mall assess the set up so that you
know people go to the restaurants people
[2:50:06] do some shopping they go see a show in
addition to the movie theater so we just
[2:50:09] like to hear some more thoughts about
both of those elements when you have a
[2:50:12] chance either tonight or in a follow up
session thank you
[2:50:23] hi I'm Kim McAuliffe MC a you LIF fe6
mal friendly inverted hills actually had
[2:50:30] no intentions of getting up here tonight
and speaking at all but I did want to
[2:50:35] expand on something that Mike had said
you know one thing that you guys had
[2:50:40] mentioned it really struck with me too
was the comment about this mall being
[2:50:44] about the community and my kid talked
about you guys ensure you know reaching
[2:50:48] out to the community reaching out to the
school board I don't know if you saw
[2:50:53] there was a group of kids here tonight
and these kids were actually planning on
[2:50:57] coming up and speaking they had prepared
speeches you know I don't know how many
[2:51:03] times you've had to you know come and
present to a town before but I don't
[2:51:08] know how many kids you've probably had
you know ten-year-old kids who have
[2:51:12] prepared a speech in front of a village
hall like this and I think that's
[2:51:16] something that's probably pretty unique
so I would definitely encourage yeah but
[2:51:29] I'm just saying that it probably would
be beneficial to have some sort of a
[2:51:33] town hall have you guys come back we're
even more residents can come and the
[2:51:37] kids and have the opportunity to share
their thoughts so just wanted to make
[2:51:41] sure you guys were aware that there were
kids here who are ready to speak on
[2:51:45] behalf of their community and I think
that's pretty neat so thank you
[2:51:56] hello James gubbins GU BBI NS 4:13
Larchmont and I've actually lived in
[2:52:03] Vernon Hills my entire life in the same
exact house at 413 large mom in fact I
[2:52:08] have pictures of my parents holding me
on the second floor of our house under
[2:52:12] construction and the only thing you can
see our cornfields and Hawthorn wall
[2:52:16] okay so Hawthorn has been a part of this
community since I've been here which is
[2:52:22] 45 years and I'm gonna piggyback on what
a lot of other people who said this is a
[2:52:26] community and I don't know that you've
actually talked to anyone in this
[2:52:30] community did you find that out because
we're a family community and we're a
[2:52:34] tight-knit family community and you're
talking about bringing in Millennials
[2:52:40] and empty nesters and whatnot that's not
what our community is about here and
[2:52:46] it's great if they want if they weren't
coming in they want to live here that's
[2:52:49] fantastic but the fact is people come
here to raise their families and I think
[2:52:54] that's what a lot of people are
concerned about what we're talking about
[2:52:56] adding more housing we just passed a
referendum because our schools are
[2:53:00] busting at the seams okay and I'm very
concerned about that I have a parent i'm
[2:53:05] parents to children in our school
districts and i'm proud of being a
[2:53:08] parent of children in our school
districts but the fact of the matter is
[2:53:12] we're all very concerned about adding to
the community if we're bringing in more
[2:53:18] children because we are busting at the
seams with our schools we're building
[2:53:22] onto our schools now as you heard from
from the high school today we're adding
[2:53:27] constantly and that's increasing our tax
dollars and I'm afraid that soon I'm not
[2:53:32] going to be able to live in this
community that I've grown up in my
[2:53:34] entire life that's insane can I rebut
just one piece of that James because and
[2:53:41] I've known Jim for a long time and
played golf with him for years
[2:53:44] I'm an empty nester and I'm part of this
community and I was an educator for
[2:53:50] 30-some years I was on this board when
we built Greg's landing and we've been
[2:53:55] pretty good about the estimating the
numbers and and this is not an
[2:53:59] estimation we're basing some of this on
what's already here the 294 units at
[2:54:07] what used to be called Amalie
now Milton is only 22 kids the 200-plus
[2:54:12] units at at at worth is only six so I
think we're and and and that people were
[2:54:19] at early meetings when aunt Werth was
being talked about
[2:54:21] I estimated at worth was going to be
about three times what it has been and
[2:54:25] everybody said it was going to be
seventy or eighty or a hundred kids
[2:54:29] those were the numbers being try and and
I just want to say we're we're only in
[2:54:35] the beginnings on this and believe me
this is one chair that's going to be
[2:54:39] making sure that this doesn't do
anything detrimental to the school
[2:54:43] districts because I've given that school
district 32 years of my life so and I'm
[2:54:47] still going there on a daily basis so
it's it we will be covering that I
[2:54:53] guarantee it and I understand that well
that's not where I was going with for
[2:55:02] the majority we are a family community
yes and what I heard during this
[2:55:06] presentation was three different things
I heard on canisters
[2:55:09] I heard multifamily which scare me a
little bit yeah and multi-family
[2:55:14] multifamily just means multiple units in
a building which is fine yeah that
[2:55:19] that's all that's all that multifamily
only means that it's not a single-family
[2:55:24] home you have you have three different
basically you have zero lot line which
[2:55:29] is two homes that are attached you have
single family homes and anything else
[2:55:33] becomes multi-family as soon as there's
multiple units in a building yeah just
[2:55:40] and that's that's what the term
multi-family is gets misunderstood real
[2:55:45] easily yeah one other point I'd like to
tack on is that part of the issue and I
[2:55:54] believe it's a significant part of the
issue with regard to the schools is that
[2:55:59] we're coming of age and by that I mean
that Grosse Pointe Village Hawthorne
[2:56:07] Club although they're not in district 73
but stone fence farm and since
[2:56:15] Centennial's in 73 though right
yeah yes but they're all coming of age
[2:56:23] I'm the original owner of my home I live
in Hawthorne club down the street here I
[2:56:29] am the only retiree although I'm not
truly retired but I am relatively
[2:56:38] speaking I'm 68 years old just in case
anybody's keeping track and I'm the only
[2:56:44] person of that genre that age group that
really is living on any of the blocks
[2:56:50] near me everybody who was of my age
group the Goldmans to one side and the
[2:56:59] Patels on the other side and I can go on
and on
[2:57:04] they had their kids they moved out and
there was a lull period and now we have
[2:57:11] a whole new series of residents I have
two kids to my right I have three kids
[2:57:17] to my left there's two more on the other
side and on and on it goes because we've
[2:57:24] reached that point where these
communities have reached that age where
[2:57:29] the people that were the original buyers
who bought in their 30s and 40s are now
[2:57:35] moving on and in many cases moving into
apartments like these folks are talking
[2:57:41] about and that is those homes are being
back filled by young folks like the
[2:57:47] people in the back and along the back
row there and hither and yon here that
[2:57:52] are having two three four kids and there
was a whole process that just got
[2:57:58] overlooked after Yom tomb left as part
of that plan that he put in place there
[2:58:08] was supposed to be the ever the the
end-all be-all and now all of a sudden
[2:58:14] and then followed by the Zook
administration and and now our poor
[2:58:19] school board who know these folks have
been in place really for more than six
[2:58:24] eight years they're all kind of holy cow
what did we fall into and how do we have
[2:58:29] to deal with it but it's that
generational change that
[2:58:32] occurring and it's occurring in deer
path - deer path isn't that much older
[2:58:36] than the Hawthorn Club and the other
deer path is a lot older well then maybe
[2:58:43] it's going I live words about two blacks
from government yeah but my house was
[2:58:47] built in 1976 you know Souter in 1989
correct 88 so maybe maybe you're on the
[2:58:56] second changeover in in deer palate but
I guess that's talking about our
[2:59:00] neighbors grace they got 15 kids Oh mice
right right you know but but well you
[2:59:05] know what also voted but but it's part
of the natural law I understand but hang
[2:59:17] on that that goes to mr. governs point
that also goes to Julie's point even if
[2:59:24] this doesn't bring in that many
additional students we still have to
[2:59:29] make sure it financially helps the
school district because even if we don't
[2:59:33] bring in any more new kids there are
kids already there
[2:59:37] so so we trust me that's one of the
things at least from this chair that
[2:59:42] we're gonna be paying strict attention
to because because I understand that
[2:59:45] situation is there I deal with every day
over there so would you like to speak to
[2:59:53] the part of district 73 and where they
came from or you know but it doesn't
[3:00:01] make no difference there there I mean
they didn't come from new housing 81 did
[3:00:13] 181 kids out of the last 14 years yeah
last 14 years so we're coming from but
[3:00:20] we still have to sorry I what's it
[3:00:33] yeah yeah yeah
[3:00:53] so okay so you're still gonna explode in
numbers if we don't build anything no no
[3:00:59] I mean if nothing else is right and
that's and that's one of the goals and
[3:01:03] again that's what I'm talking about one
of the goals would be to have this be
[3:01:06] the kind of thing what good what miss
Simpson talked about was exactly right
[3:01:10] it's got to be something that brings in
additional tax dollars and that's
[3:01:15] positive so that so that what it can do
is bring in significantly more than its
[3:01:22] being expended on the students to help
pay for the students from the other
[3:01:25] places that are that are there because
right and because the people that you're
[3:01:30] talking about with your demographic
study are the people that are the best
[3:01:33] in the business because I've dealt with
them many times they're out of North
[3:01:35] Carolina and they're they're always
right on that on their numbers and
[3:01:39] that's that's where I'm getting a lot of
my history with this kind of numbers and
[3:01:43] that comes from the same people you're
talking about because Hawthorne has used
[3:01:47] them on a number of occasions and
they're they're very very good so
[3:01:52] because their schools are great news
schools are great in this town so guess
[3:01:58] what if you put your house out in the
market if people want to move here and
[3:02:04] they might be young people and then are
gonna have some kids and and me an
[3:02:09] empty-nester Wolves out it's a how we
ever you're not gonna change that unless
[3:02:15] we let the schools go into toilet we
didn't because we all supported
[3:02:19] everybody up here the 48 million dollar
referendum
[3:02:23] I think talk about do 200 million
dollars it won't help the town I don't
[3:02:38] think that any one thing I don't think
anyone's saying that they did they just
[3:02:42] want to make sure that that's no I don't
think that's what people are saying no I
[3:02:51] don't think I don't think I don't think
that's what the housing they had to be
[3:02:55] very cautious of what they're building
to understand the impact where
[3:02:58] potentially that housing could add
that's all most of us are saying and
[3:03:02] nobody wants a farmland back I think I
got that
[3:03:06] I think I think they know Juanes may be
more of a guarantee that it'll be like a
[3:03:10] 55 enough because when you say all kids
won't move but there's no guarantee that
[3:03:15] they don't and that's what I'm basing it
on if I recall it I think it was
[3:03:20] November 1 on the first phase you had
expressed senior housing was something
[3:03:25] that they wanted and they came not with
senior housing
[3:03:28] oh no they're this little talk about
Bill but aren't you talking about some
[3:03:31] of this potentially being 55 and up no
none of it my microphone the initial
[3:03:44] market status did not support it and it
just has 55 and up but but did they do
[3:03:51] the market study show mostly truly
Millennials and people without kids is
[3:03:58] that what you're really looking at okay
so it doesn't really matter to me
[3:04:01] whether they're over 50 or their or
their 20 as long as it's not those are
[3:04:07] good kids like 35 right exactly so it's
well right as long as it's not big
[3:04:11] enough to really support it just needs
to be noted to support eight year old to
[3:04:17] 20 year old right and there's no there's
no lawns there there's no backyard
[3:04:23] there's no swing set so there's people
will always migrate to good school
[3:04:27] districts right the question is is will
the benefits outweigh the cost
[3:04:32] way to guarantee without discriminatory
housing practices right if people with
[3:04:37] kids won't be there the kids won't be
there the question is what are people
[3:04:41] with kids looking for and do the
benefits outweigh that when I say the
[3:04:47] benefits I mean the benefits not only to
the community but I mean specifically
[3:04:50] property tax dollars that flow directly
to the school district is that outweigh
[3:04:56] the cost which is there may be a few
things to educate but you guys need to
[3:05:01] educate on our specific case in our
district I think you guys need to do
[3:05:06] that and and and and one I'm gonna say
one last thing and I'm done but I the
[3:05:10] referendum would not have passed without
everyone's support on this board too so
[3:05:14] we that's fully acknowledged
[3:05:21] yeah a third district 73 and who
generates the most tape I'm not like I
[3:05:28] said the tax revenue coming out here is
well needed everywhere you know the
[3:05:32] sales tax and property tax how much
taxes you gotta know that right you have
[3:05:39] to know that that's part of you know
your kind the reason I were kind of good
[3:05:44] on it those are the natural was the
clearance time is I'm sorry I'm not
[3:06:02] great speaker could you move the
microphone close your mouth my name is
[3:06:06] Anita Tova a nine montgomerylane CIT OVA
I kinda hope that somebody else would
[3:06:12] bring this matter but I'm not great
speaker I actually want to support
[3:06:18] somebody else who toes like maybe you
should be more open to other suggestions
[3:06:22] because I'm looking at what you're doing
and it's gonna benefit you and us as a
[3:06:27] community
no question here it's it's gonna be
[3:06:32] better than it is now but I'm kinda hate
to bring it to you
[3:06:37] people buy groceries online more and
more we kind of trying to say your time
[3:06:43] to spend it more of is families or
somebody something else and grocery
[3:06:48] store it's in a town that already has
six or seven right create grocery stores
[3:06:56] and we were talking about okay we're
gonna attract people in five mile radius
[3:07:01] seven mile radius but nobody's gonna go
even if it's mitsuo would like if it's
[3:07:08] because they have less Jam Mitsu it's
always Asian market it's it's famous
[3:07:13] Asian market yes
we're like it but if it's something like
[3:07:16] any other store nobody's gonna drive
here and it's gonna park here for
[3:07:23] groceries and what I'm trying to say
people are paying for experience they
[3:07:30] gonna drive somewhere for
experience like for me I'm a mother of
[3:07:35] two kids okay there are a lot of parents
we're going to Children's Museum to
[3:07:39] Wisconsin
she Chicago Aurora whatever 60 minute
[3:07:44] drive not a question if there are no
children museums there's in Glenview
[3:07:51] cause childrens it's kind of old and
outdated and everything else it's one
[3:07:55] hour drive around bring some sand for
kids so parents from all Hitchcock
[3:08:01] Island would drive here go be go bald
it's it's free these times Google Ed
[3:08:07] Koch California call New York like
whatever they have guys would do have
[3:08:11] and it's gonna be something different
right now you're doing exactly what
[3:08:16] you're doing at Northmoor court and when
everyone else we're gonna put more
[3:08:22] housing around and we're gonna put a
grocery store it's the same what is
[3:08:28] gonna be different than our mall what's
gonna be different from other moves so
[3:08:34] it's like maybe not not we're not
criticizing you but maybe if you're open
[3:08:41] to suggestion because we know what's
going on one hour here and there yes it
[3:08:46] is a family community a lot of kids here
but you wanna bring people from other
[3:08:52] neighborhoods and yes housing I'm not
afraid of Millennials they're gonna fall
[3:08:56] in love the girl and I have kids in
Canada then they're gonna come to those
[3:09:00] meetings to complain this is how it
works so but those people those
[3:09:09] Millennials or first of us like senior
communities as Millennials you have to
[3:09:16] choose because you know it's gonna have
bad reputation Millennials wanna party
[3:09:20] people overseas they're gonna be in bed
like watching Netflix done and seriously
[3:09:27] it's you have to work anything I used to
leave an apartment complex I know how it
[3:09:31] is so we're not made of money
is it not gonna be made of money it's
[3:09:37] not like even if it's so close to mow
it's not like they're gonna go out every
[3:09:42] night that's why I'm talking about
Samson that gives people an experience
[3:09:49] and if his children museum it could be
after school program or summer camp or
[3:09:55] families with children says those are
people were going to spend more money
[3:10:00] than some empty nesters yes they're
gonna have fun but we cannot go in by
[3:10:07] dress or dinner every night this is we
we need to drop some people from other I
[3:10:15] don't know from Wisconsin even and
another thing I do for a few reasons
[3:10:23] yeah and another thing no I mean it's it
seems like far away but we're going
[3:10:30] there to their museums do they come here
maybe Chicago but what another thing
[3:10:36] even like there was a kind of mistake
with the melody form and sorry
[3:10:44] we got the parking lot with the
restaurant on the side it should be
[3:10:49] other way around and in your project and
your slides I see the same problem same
[3:10:55] problem I understand it just some slides
but the thing is like cars going on the
[3:11:02] street people are across and believe me
I went to melody from three times and
[3:11:06] I'm holding my kid because drivers are
frustrated they cannot Drive pedestrians
[3:11:12] are frustrated they cannot cross it stop
everywhere people here and there in cars
[3:11:17] and it's frustrating
you won't I wish every developer would
[3:11:23] load from Ikea you want us to spend
money keep our keys busy like you see
[3:11:29] you show this green space okay it's just
commercial when there is a kid running
[3:11:35] around this green space there it's not
going to happen
[3:11:37] there it should be something for kids so
they could be busy and inside the mode
[3:11:45] it should be a great idea or at the yes
we can have wine or cars or whatever if
[3:11:51] kids are busy we can shop like one
parent watch yes what you this is at the
[3:11:58] end you want
to spend more money you want us to spend
[3:12:02] more money for Texas right but we cannot
spend our money for holding our kids
[3:12:08] with our hands okay there are cars and
you know what nothing to do and that's
[3:12:13] it just keep them busy
like IKEA does so we can go there and
[3:12:19] buy furniture so sorry that was about it
and if green space it should be green
[3:12:25] space pedestrians it should be place for
pedestrians not like here park in here
[3:12:32] park and here's table from some
restaurant here parking I I didn't see
[3:12:38] how it's gonna be
pedestrians family friendly thank you
[3:12:42] thank you thank you you did pretty good
for summer yay who is afraid of public
[3:12:50] speaking you did real good and I just
want to clarify something because I
[3:12:55] didn't want to sound like I was making
up the senior housing it's right in your
[3:12:58] presentation the project development
thing that some of it may be dedicated
[3:13:02] to see now see okay I just when you said
okay well when you said no when I said
[3:13:07] that it sounded like hello Andrew Davis
div is 35 Montebello Drive and I have no
[3:13:34] idea how I'm going to follow that act I
am a father of two kids a third on the
[3:13:40] way so I'm contributing to the
overcrowding I apologize for taking
[3:13:47] ownership that's right well I had to
give dr. Oppenheim more business that's
[3:13:52] the first thing
thank you thanks for the plug as well so
[3:13:57] teachers like you right off and I'm not
gonna hammer on the school district
[3:14:03] considerations because that's been well
discussed as it is right now what I'm
[3:14:08] gonna bring up is I actually lived in
Columbus Ohio for four years so I'm
[3:14:11] actually very familiar with Eastern town
mall
[3:14:13] something that was brought up during the
presentation was that you want to make
[3:14:16] it a destination which attracts people
not just five and seven miles out the 20
[3:14:20] miles out right that was I believe
components of the presentation and what
[3:14:25] I would like to point out is that when I
lived in Ohio the idea that there were
[3:14:30] apartments or additional local people
living at Easton wasn't necessarily a
[3:14:35] draw to someone like me who lived in the
northwest side of the city there would
[3:14:40] be times and we would decide to skip for
those familiar with Columbus there's
[3:14:44] malls basically at the four corners of
the town we would skip going to a
[3:14:49] Polaris Parkway or a total crossing
which are some of the main competitors
[3:14:52] of Easton and go to Easton because it
did have some interesting food options
[3:14:56] and and retail options but it wasn't
necessarily because of the overall
[3:15:00] atmosphere there was different
experiences such as like the funny bone
[3:15:05] or other comedy clubs
I believe there's there's a Dave &
[3:15:08] Buster's which we already have but I
guess my point is is that how essential
[3:15:13] since this is a conceptual meeting how
essential is the concept of adding
[3:15:18] residential space versus other potential
opportunities is it requisites to making
[3:15:25] this a success and the reason I ask is
because we're talking high level concept
[3:15:29] just because it is a quote unquote
textbook approach does that mean it's
[3:15:35] the only approach or the right approach
or is there a novel or other alternative
[3:15:39] I'm not necessarily saying I'm against
the housing assuming it could be you
[3:15:45] know Millennials or or 55 and up where
it's low amounts of children it's just
[3:15:51] I'm curious what are the alternatives
that could exist that could still be
[3:15:55] economically viable that that's more
what I'm wondering so thank you and and
[3:16:04] one thing to keep in mind as we talk
about this in terms of dollars for a
[3:16:08] School District
hotels are the best because their their
[3:16:16] value per square foot is the highest
with zero children then second is
[3:16:23] high-end residential because again
dollars per square foot
[3:16:27] actually at the bottom is retail because
of all the value of retail is is the
[3:16:32] shell because everything inside of it is
is is is not taxable in terms of Arista
[3:16:39] a property tax which again going back to
what was said by Miss Simpson its
[3:16:43] property tax is the problem but with the
system we've got now the the residential
[3:16:49] actually if it brings in no kids or
brings in few kids is actually a cash
[3:16:55] plus for the district and and that's
what that's one of the things I'd like
[3:17:00] to be shooting for in terms of the
residential president we didn't have any
[3:17:22] money you know so you know I mean that's
part of the issue and and got 4,500 kids
[3:17:30] right now I mean the serious property
what was your tax liability reduction
[3:17:37] that you got from the Assessor and the
same with the Carson's property so
[3:17:48] school district right now if we do
absolutely nothing is going to lose a
[3:17:54] significant amount of the when this
topic came up about a month ago I
[3:18:05] checked with the Vernon Township
Assessor right who indicated that when
[3:18:10] boxes go vacant typically you expect to
see about a 50% reduction in the
[3:18:17] assessed value of that property kind of
right off the bat yeah so if that's the
[3:18:22] case that translates into fifty percent
reduction in those tax dollars as well
[3:18:26] maybe the Libertyville Township
successor is a little less lenient but
[3:18:32] you know across the board yes understood
this yeah it's the purpose of this
[3:18:39] meeting
really was to establish whether or not
[3:18:42] there was a satisfactory amount of
information provided to allow the the
[3:18:48] petitioner annex at his discretion
discretion whether or not to go to
[3:18:54] technical review and I think if there's
no one else wishing to speak we probably
[3:19:00] need to form a consensus here there we
don't vote even and go into technical
[3:19:07] reviews right when this is near there so
I pull dr. I'll start with you well do
[3:19:13] we have any more citizens we're gonna be
back here about eight more times and by
[3:19:23] the way this is our town hall and we're
having a meeting here so in a way it's a
[3:19:28] town hall meeting week anytime we have
committee of the whole
[3:19:31] it it's that's our town-hall meeting any
anything that ever comes before this
[3:19:35] board that's the reason we do it as a
committee of the whole as to a lot of as
[3:19:39] opposed to other communities that have a
Finance Committee and a building
[3:19:43] committee and this committee and that
committee we do it as a committee of the
[3:19:46] whole so that the entire board can hear
the same presentation and can hear all
[3:19:52] of the citizens comments on anything
that comes before us that's why we do it
[3:19:57] in a committee of the whole fashion
every meeting that we have a resident is
[3:20:03] allowed to come up and speak if
something is not on there every meeting
[3:20:30] yep
[3:20:37] well we mentioned that this was going to
be up this was their last roof tonight
[3:20:41] and our last presentation you should
know that because this is just and why
[3:20:51] don't you come up so people couldn't in
- you wanna introduce introduce yourself
[3:20:57] since you're making comedy yeah I the
point I'm making is this is a
[3:21:03] generational improvement this is this is
something that is going to last and be
[3:21:09] with the town for a long time
Thank You mr. Levine for coming all the
[3:21:12] way from Texas but the malls been here
50 years but this improvement but I know
[3:21:18] what the improvement it's important
enough that rather than to put an agenda
[3:21:25] out on Friday and say well on Tuesday
that's your chance to come out you know
[3:21:32] something a little well well-thought-out
broadcast maybe an opportunity for an
[3:21:38] even larger crowd you put together you
know a true workshop and I'll help you
[3:21:45] get lots of people really if that's what
you want and we did that we did that for
[3:21:51] the we did that for for the shop so
Craig's landing in front we had we had a
[3:21:56] weird a special meeting bring heaters
and it'd be warmer than here so now the
[3:22:20] people that came here tonight that's why
we asked for their names then so we'll
[3:22:25] tell them every time these guys are ever
coming back before us while we do it you
[3:22:30] should understand we don't know but you
understand what I'm saying right Roger
[3:22:36] let me let me say something because I've
been getting a lot of feedback from the
[3:22:39] community as well love it wouldn't hurt
if that's what they want we'll get the
[3:22:44] high school auditorium will say this is
the date
[3:22:46] I'm sure Santana will be more than happy
to come in and get feedback from the
[3:22:50] munity yes or no there you go
Roger app he Don's right you can't
[3:22:57] expect sending out a notice even on
Facebook a week before let's let's send
[3:23:01] it out a month in advance I bet you we
could get a big crowd and let's just get
[3:23:05] the feedback and not hurt forget I guess
Roger didn't know not enough but I
[3:23:13] wanted some more okay I want to give a
month advance notice I want to get the
[3:23:18] auditorium at the high school
Libertyville did it when they had a big
[3:23:21] building project I'm Butterfield that
they got shut down okay they gave
[3:23:26] advance notice I if Rick cambric was
here maybe he put it in the paper let's
[3:23:31] give an advance notice and let's just
let's just have a town hall meeting and
[3:23:34] half centennial come in and let as many
of the commute as many people in the
[3:23:38] community come in it cannot hurt yeah
you wanted to SARM all your critics
[3:23:42] exactly would say this was this was done
you know exactly do you ever deserve all
[3:23:51] the critics and anything no I mean
Gregg's Landing love Menard so let's get
[3:24:05] back to my point there's only about
27,000 people in town I get it no you
[3:24:14] don't I knew right thing is we we get
enough feedback from you know on text
[3:24:20] and everything yeah that would be a
great idea I think more people would
[3:24:23] show up and Don is present of HOA you're
gonna stay we're gonna have a median a
[3:24:37] there's nothing to be upset about her to
argue the point there's no reason not to
[3:24:41] do but no but you know if if if
something has to be discussed we could
[3:24:48] discuss it and and you know what we have
and we could share this with the all the
[3:24:54] residents here the papers we have in our
hand right we'll put this online
[3:25:00] everybody can copy it and it shows how
many
[3:25:03] kids coming out of every subdivision we
approve roses 10 years well I think they
[3:25:09] got that point they got that funny I
think they did get that you know I think
[3:25:14] they got that point but I but there
would be no money in that school
[3:25:24] district anybody disagree with that
statement it's it's it's irrelevant to
[3:25:30] what we're talking about yeah yeah I'd
like to go back to work
[3:25:33] I started a few minutes ago so right now
what we received tonight was a very this
[3:25:40] was this might have even been outer
space I mean it was at the hundred and
[3:25:46] fifty thousand foot level it wasn't even
the 50 thousand foot level you guys have
[3:25:51] got a lot more homework to do with that
being said that's part and parcel of
[3:25:56] what technical review is and technical
review is where our staff starts looking
[3:26:02] at what they're talking about what sees
well what's not feasible what's within
[3:26:07] the scope of our codes what's outside
the codes what requires special
[3:26:14] approvals variances a lot of this is
going to require variances just of the
[3:26:20] nature of itself and that'll all go
through public hearings via Planning and
[3:26:25] Zoning but Before we jump the gun to a
town hall I'd like for a staff to start
[3:26:33] with the technical review right if we
have consensus amongst the board here
[3:26:38] that this was a sufficient amount of
information provided to us to give our
[3:26:45] blessing so to speak to move forward
with that being said they don't need our
[3:26:50] blessing to go to technical review it's
them it's their own so everybody who
[3:26:56] doesn't want if we in and this is a good
thing to do for the town I'd certainly
[3:27:11] appreciate you coming up here and and
I'm thrilled that you want to invest in
[3:27:17] the
into the mall because without it we all
[3:27:20] know what would happen um I do have some
concerns about the layout and a few
[3:27:24] other things here but but I'm all for
you doing whatever you can to to make
[3:27:30] this not only viable but an exciting
facility for the next generation to come
[3:27:35] to so I really appreciate that so we
just mean we need some more details and
[3:27:42] and tweak certain things and and make
sure you know make make sure even what
[3:27:49] you're planning is viable but thank you
for coming yeah number one this is
[3:27:55] private property it's your property so
you know you are the key stakeholder
[3:28:02] here with that being said you know
you've got a lot of good feedback
[3:28:06] tonight from these for good folks that
showed up tonight and I'd like to see
[3:28:12] again more meat on the bone but that'll
occur as part of technical review and
[3:28:17] priority going to Planning and Zoning I
think that would be the perfect
[3:28:21] opportunity then to have a town hall if
that's what the community is looking for
[3:28:26] and it definitely sounds like that it's
a reasonable thing to do but at this
[3:28:30] juncture I think we've gotten enough of
a feel for where you want to take it
[3:28:36] that I'm all in favor of you moving
forward to technical review and to in
[3:28:41] fact add that meat to the bone I agree
with what's been said the the one thing
[3:28:48] I would add is that we're this is way
too early we haven't even begun to talk
[3:28:52] about the financing and incentives and
stuff which is a huge component we'll
[3:28:58] get to that afterwards but yeah there's
still an awful lot of numbers your plan
[3:29:04] needs to lose any concept of townhomes I
mean that
[3:29:10] don't not not even not even you know
yeah shaver was even Adam Thunder
[3:29:16] picture because now you know that's
gonna okay you know and we had of two
[3:29:22] and AF our meeting to say afternoon
would staff and end with the guys from
[3:29:26] Centennial there was no discussions of
townhomes at all okay just just an
[3:29:31] apartment just apartment okay yeah well
you got to take that off at her well
[3:29:37] also I also had one other item of
request lists I mean talking about being
[3:29:41] a destination think about the
possibility of an of an ice rink
[3:29:45] of some kind because we've got glacier
right there and and I know they could
[3:29:49] use a third sheet and that might help
but make a make it be a another thing
[3:29:53] that you could add to be part of the
destination but otherwise I'm going to
[3:29:57] go forward and look at it but there's a
lot of questions still to be answered
[3:30:00] okay I've said too much tonight of
course I want you to go forward I don't
[3:30:06] you don't want that at home all they'll
go fallow
[3:30:08] you'll lose your three million dollars
the district 73 I know you don't know
[3:30:15] that do your president it's a good what
death well that's why we're here but I
[3:30:23] don't want to take two years to approve
this because it will fail
[3:30:34] something has to be done this is a start
again we're gonna communicate over and
[3:30:41] over and the input from our residents is
extremely important but I would like to
[3:30:48] see this go forward there is definitely
something that could be done and I think
[3:30:53] we can all work together do it
[3:31:05] look look everyone knows that something
needs to be done there there's you know
[3:31:10] that that is not the question I just
think the community would just like to
[3:31:14] make sure they have some input you know
your concept is great obviously you're
[3:31:19] gonna tweak it based upon the feedback
you get from the community and also the
[3:31:22] village board and really the staff here
that works with you guys on a daily
[3:31:26] basis as long as the community has some
input you know it's I think you're
[3:31:33] you're gonna be fine so as far as a
technical review absolutely I think
[3:31:36] people have to understand the process
because stuff went out on Facebook as
[3:31:40] far as how stuff gets approved and you
know this is just concept you know they
[3:31:46] just want to get a feel for you know
what the staff cuz they did all the work
[3:31:49] initially you can't stop anyone from
coming to the village and cocoa and good
[3:31:53] staff hey we want to come and do this in
the village and then it comes before us
[3:31:56] and say hey what do you think based upon
their meetings with the staff so by no
[3:31:59] means we were not privy to any of this
information so nothing was quote-unquote
[3:32:03] pre-approved well you know you know
before this meeting ever started so I
[3:32:08] think that you know the village board is
wide open to the community and so is
[3:32:13] Roger no question about it so I think as
long as we get through this technical
[3:32:18] review and you're open to having the
community giving them a chance to have
[3:32:21] them put them - should do very well
[3:32:27] thank you
echo what everybody else said I think
[3:32:31] that residents don't want more kids 55
and over would be ideal as a mom of four
[3:32:39] kids little ones I would like to see
more activities for them a person that
[3:32:45] does not like the cold weather somewhere
we can take them when it's really cold
[3:32:49] outside I love your concept but the
residents are ultimately what the ones
[3:32:56] that kind of make the decision because
that's what we based our vote off of so
[3:33:00] but we can go to technical review and
continue the process
[3:33:06] the speech obviously your spirit
experience developers you understand the
[3:33:13] concept review is just that it's
theoretical it's an idea to get a little
[3:33:18] bit of advance preview into the thought
process of the the residents as well as
[3:33:25] the board members granting concept
approval if you will or saying it's okay
[3:33:31] to go ahead to technical review is not a
guarantee that the project ultimately
[3:33:35] will be approved that any zoning
approvals would be given or that there
[3:33:38] will be any variances from any of those
zoning approvals that has to go through
[3:33:43] the the the process as you know to the
residents that are here and everyone
[3:33:48] else I would add that going through
technical review we've tossed that turn
[3:33:53] around several times tonight that's a
process that can take several weeks
[3:33:58] several months to go through for for for
the developer to come through put it do
[3:34:04] the necessary engineering the necessary
architecture all of the necessary things
[3:34:09] that go into building a project of this
scope so there certainly is as the mayor
[3:34:15] said a number of opportunities for
additional comment in the future having
[3:34:19] said that given the amount of time it
takes to go through that there certainly
[3:34:24] is the ability I spoke with the village
manager about working to get advance
[3:34:30] notice of some of these meetings it's
not gonna it's not going to come out of
[3:34:34] Friday and then Tuesday they don't just
show up we're gonna see things weeks
[3:34:38] ahead staff is going to be approving
them and so certainly there's an
[3:34:41] opportunity through Facebook through
cable channel through other meet social
[3:34:47] media other means that we have to get
the message out as to when quote the
[3:34:51] next meeting will be and certainly we
can do that and and make sure that the
[3:34:56] public is given adequate notice to to
come forward with that so
[3:35:01] developer you understand how you
understand you've been through this
[3:35:04] several times you've heard the speech so
concept approval is what it is
[3:35:17] you know if I you know if I sit up here
and I have to be sometimes the bad cap I
[3:35:27] will be because this isn't the first
time we've done a project like this and
[3:35:32] this is a 50 year old you know
institution in town and we better treat
[3:35:39] them with some love because we don't
want deco and fellow that's all I'm
[3:35:44] gonna say
and if I'm sitting here and I ain't no
[3:35:48] thing that some of you folks don't know
I'm gonna try to clarify things you know
[3:35:53] I don't want it you just think we're
starting from square one
[3:35:57] we're not that would these guys not with
that mall okay it's important it's very
[3:36:04] important you know it's generated tens
of millions of dollars for this
[3:36:10] probably more than it's probably you
know fifty million dollars over the
[3:36:14] years just in sales tax revenue okay so
you know let's be nice to these guys
[3:36:20] don't treat them like the enemy thank
you
[3:36:24] is there a motion to adjourn the meeting
oh all in the case a guy the eyes have
[3:36:34] it thank you the meetings over and this
won't be the first I will be here