1 00:00:03,439 --> 00:00:10,520 transferred over to the other thing. Carl, do you have 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:17,719 » 10:00 call to order with Township Clerk? Please read the statement. 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:27,800 » Regular meeting was provided to the public 4 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:27,800 22nd, 2026. 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:38,600 would open and say 104-7. 6 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,600 » So the pledge pledge 7 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:44,440 allegiance to the flag of the United States. 8 00:00:52,800 --> 00:01:00,120 » Roll call, please. here. 9 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,120 » Here 10 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:12,880 » mayor comments. >> He didn't leave me anything. 11 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:19,040 » No, nothing to you. Okay. And uh public comments. 12 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:24,000 This will be for current agenda items only. Limited three minutes per person. 13 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:27,600 And do I have a motion to open it to the public? Motion second. 14 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,439 » Second. >> Uh, all in favor? 15 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:36,520 » I. >> Any opposed? 16 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:36,520 Open to public. Anybody from the public? 17 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:42,479 » Seeing none, we have a motion to close it to public. 18 00:01:41,759 --> 00:01:46,439 » Second. >> All in favor? 19 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:46,439 » I 20 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,600 review of the bills list. 21 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:09,759 I have a question might not have the answer for me, but if you can find out. 22 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:14,080 I saw there was another planter on this build trip. 23 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:20,480 » Hey, >> and it's $889. 24 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:25,680 I've seen the other one. So, it's all the same price. 25 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:28,800 So, I was wondering if this is taken out of beautifification. 26 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:35,840 » Do you have a number on the >> I don't I don't $800 something dollars. 27 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,879 » Yeah, I would have to look into that. I don't know that offhand, but I will uh 28 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,680 I'll find out. >> Thanks. Yeah, just want to know what 29 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:46,920 » found it. So you're looking at a this looks like 30 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:58,640 from last year number says 25-01125 town center garden planner. 31 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,959 » There so the check is 66339 for $855.81. 32 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:10,560 » How much is it for? $855 >> because I saw a whole bunch last year on 33 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,280 there. And then why is this here? Because it didn't look like we got 34 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:18,800 anything new. >> I don't think we did because this is 35 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:22,400 saying 25 is the PO. So I don't know if it was something that they were waiting 36 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,280 to come in. I'll have to look though. And I'll 37 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:28,959 » And then just what account it's being charged to. Okay. Curious because I 38 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:33,519 believe it should come out of beautififications and not out of the you 39 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,599 know general fund. Okay. 40 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:38,599 » But thank you for doing that. >> Yes. 41 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:51,599 » I have two. The first is um 66371. 42 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:55,440 » Okay. Um and it's software and support $18,000. 43 00:03:53,760 --> 00:04:01,200 Just wondering what that is. >> That's for the DPW. It's their um uh 44 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:06,799 their their software that they have to help 45 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:09,200 with the um the um >> storm draining. 46 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:12,480 » Yes. Yes. Thank you. >> So that's the software that they use and 47 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:16,239 that's how much it is. >> Okay. Thank you. And then 48 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:19,919 » Carl, just so you know, the state had a mandate that you had to wall the storm 49 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,959 drains once or twice a year or something like that, 50 00:04:20,479 --> 00:04:23,199 » right? >> Required to have this software in order 51 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:28,560 to do it. >> Okay. So it was my point was it was 52 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:31,199 another unfunded mandate premisy. >> Yeah. Do this but we're not going to pay 53 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:36,880 for it. >> Yep. 54 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:40,720 » Um then secondly I saw it's our retainer for our attorney and I just have a 55 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:44,000 question about it. >> Which number is that one? 56 00:04:41,919 --> 00:04:50,560 » Oh sorry 66317 township attorney retainer 6,250. 57 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:59,840 » Oh yeah. Um, we got this memorandum about the um, pickle ball situation. 58 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:02,639 Does that um, is that a retainer cover the cost of the memorandum or is that a 59 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,960 separate? >> Usually I I don't do that. 60 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:12,880 » Okay. But it's still the same firm. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah, it's so 61 00:05:10,479 --> 00:05:16,560 like letters and memorandums are covered by your retainer. 62 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:20,160 » Okay. Um legal is different. So there's a 63 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:24,479 retainer like that covers those things that covers the meeting but then there's 64 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,759 like litigation that's separate. >> Yes. 65 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,280 » So this memorandum then was paid for through this retain. 66 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,280 » Yeah. >> Okay. 67 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,960 » I don't even think I build for that yet. >> That's just what I was just curious 68 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:38,120 about how that was paid for. Thank you. >> No problem. 69 00:05:39,919 --> 00:05:43,840 » Any other? >> No. 70 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:48,639 » Are you okay? Good. 71 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:56,560 » Okay. Mine were just a couple comments. It looks like a lot of tires and repairs 72 00:05:52,080 --> 00:06:01,440 for DPW equipment. Anything to report any accidents that occurred on the job 73 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:08,880 or is it normal wear and tear? It's >> some of it is some of it. Um I know that 74 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:13,919 uh there were a couple of accidents but not with the DPW trucks. 75 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:18,800 » Uhhuh. So if anything's being repaired, it's for the DPW personally. That's 76 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,440 » wear and tear. >> All normal, you say? Yes. Wear and tear. 77 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,479 » Yes. >> And we go to different vendors or it's 78 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:30,400 always the same one or >> It depends on what equipment they're 79 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:35,199 looking for, you know, like certain vehicles take 80 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:40,800 only like they can only get certain parts from a different vendor. So, it 81 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:44,800 depends on what parts they're looking for will depend on which vendor. And if 82 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:48,800 it's over a certain amount of money, they need to get several quotes unless 83 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,720 it's a co-op, >> right? 84 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:56,919 Okay. Then the other one was on 66472. 85 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:06,639 That's for 744,000 to the MUA. 86 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:13,120 So is that is is that a a sewage bill that the the MUA is collecting from the 87 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:20,360 people are using it and we're just the the method of paying the uh or is this 88 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,360 have to do with water? This is 66472. 89 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:26,280 It says sewer usage fees 20 26. 90 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:32,479 So Pat on MUA I guess collect some money from the 91 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:38,319 » that's that's the way I was you know I didn't want to jump in on Tina's um but 92 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:46,960 essentially when there is an agreement that's arranged between the township and 93 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:53,360 the MUA that we use um the address and the uh and the followup and everything 94 00:07:51,280 --> 00:08:00,800 uh when these when the use when the checks come in for payment it's then 95 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:04,720 sent out, you know, uh, money's received and then 96 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,240 » we're just a intermediary process >> with a flow through. 97 00:08:05,919 --> 00:08:10,400 » Okay. >> Yeah. That's the that's the uh service 98 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:17,039 agreement that I always >> complain about because what happens is 99 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:21,360 the MUA will tax the the rate the rate payer. They collect the money, then they 100 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:26,560 give it to the township. Then the township has to send it to Skuma instead 101 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:30,960 of right a direct interface between the local MUA and Skuma, which is the 102 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,839 county. But that that's the the way that that agreement was 103 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:37,360 » like that lost letter for four months. Nobody knew where it was. 104 00:08:34,959 --> 00:08:41,919 » Exactly. Yes. >> Bill, can I say one more thing about the 105 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:47,200 wear and tear? So, um, it's normal wear and tear plus it was six tires per truck 106 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,080 for the 550s. So that's why you're seeing that. So I 107 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:52,480 guess they're updating all their vehicles and stuff before the weather 108 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,360 comes in. >> Okay. 109 00:08:52,800 --> 00:09:00,399 » And they needed to replace the tires. >> Okay. 110 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:03,399 » Thank you. And on uh 66454, 111 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:12,160 » a legal piece. And it says for Legends Redevelopment. 112 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:17,320 Is this Is this out of escrow? >> It should be out of escrow. I've got to 113 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,320 find that. 114 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:31,880 65 66 4 54 >> 66 115 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,880 Hold on. 116 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:42,160 » 54. Okay. Um >> where? Let me see. 117 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,760 » That's with Matt's. Yeah, that would be Yeah, then Yeah, that was Yeah, that's 118 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:50,240 with um Legendary. >> Yeah, that would be um that would be um 119 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:53,120 Matt Jessup. >> So, that's actually 120 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:57,000 is paying that. >> That's correct. 121 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,000 » Okay. 122 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:01,320 » And uh >> Yep. 123 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:12,880 » Okay. That Yeah, the two were couples. >> Okay. We just want to make sure it 124 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:18,640 wasn't coming out of our pocket even though we're paying it. 125 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:23,200 That's it for me for any question any others on the uh bills list? 126 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:27,360 » No. >> Consent agenda. 127 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:35,000 » We have uh one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 128 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:35,000 nine. Oh, cow. 129 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:49,519 22 uh resolutions going from 26 233 to 26 254. 130 00:10:46,959 --> 00:10:54,640 And uh if anybody on the council wants to pull any of those out to have a 131 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:58,839 separate discussion, just let me know before we vote on all them. 132 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Most 133 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:29,880 self-explanatory, non-confrontational 134 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,760 must go. 135 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:48,560 I guess we'll pull out uh oh separate discussion 26254 136 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:55,920 which is authorizing the award of bid for the AV project township council 137 00:11:52,800 --> 00:12:02,160 chambers. The motion and consent for resolutions 26233 138 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:06,560 to 26 253. >> Right. Correct. 139 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:10,000 I'll make that motion. Okay. Do we have a second? 140 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:15,279 » Second it. And I guess we need a roll call on that. 141 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:17,360 Roll call vote, please. >> Yes. 142 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,880 » Yes. >> Council member Zudo. 143 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:25,040 » Yes. >> Council president. 144 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:30,600 » Yes. >> Have a motion to discuss resolution 145 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,600 26254. 146 00:12:31,839 --> 00:12:38,000 » Second. >> Second. All 147 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:43,360 » in favor? I. So 26254 deals with uh improving what we've been 148 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:47,920 talking about for every meeting which is the sound system, the AV system or the 149 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,920 chambers. Correct, Tina? >> Yes. 150 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:54,959 » And if you could just tell us a little bit about what we're getting, are we 151 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,560 guaranteed that the people are going to like it? Are we going to 152 00:12:56,079 --> 00:13:00,560 » hope so >> charge $1,000 to reverse the screen and 153 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:05,279 when we could do it? You know what what's it all about? We we went through 154 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:10,800 we went to bid once and there was a lot of fatal errors so we had to go back out 155 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:16,160 to bid. This was the second bid. Um we had three companies come in. One was way 156 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:21,440 over bid and the other one didn't have all the proper paperwork and all they 157 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,680 didn't meet all the specs and everything. So that was fatal. So, this 158 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:31,920 other company, Commercial Technology Contractors, had everything that we put 159 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:34,959 in our bid specs for here. >> Uhhuh. 160 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:39,920 » Um, and so they were and they're under our our budget that you guys approved in 161 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:44,160 the capital budget. So, we're going to move forward with them. That also 162 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:49,200 includes a maintenance fee. So, if we do have any issues, we have a maintenance 163 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:54,880 fee with them for two years. Um, so they can, you know, once it's up and running, 164 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:59,519 if something is incorrect or it's not working, they'll come back out and 165 00:13:56,959 --> 00:14:03,839 either replace it or fix it. >> So, can you tell us what was in that bit 166 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:05,199 with TVs and cameras and >> Yes. 167 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,760 » Okay. >> microphones. And 168 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:12,240 » were we going to have a camera that's going to be on the people speaking now 169 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:17,040 rather than behind them looking at their head? 170 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,600 » I believe there was. I would have to go back and look at that 171 00:14:18,079 --> 00:14:22,560 » cameras that they put in. Are they going to be able to, you know, see the entire 172 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,680 table? >> Yes. 173 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,920 » Yeah, >> that was one of the 174 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:28,880 » Yeah, that was one of the things that we asked. 175 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:32,880 » I think the clerk, too. >> Let's see. May, 176 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:38,480 » but I It's all new wiring. >> Yes. All new wiring. Speakers are all 177 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:43,279 new, you know, because a lot of that static we think is coming from the old 178 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:48,639 wiring and old speakers. Microphones are going to be replaced. the TVs were 179 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:55,040 getting a couple of bigger TVs. Um, and everything was supposed to go right into 180 00:14:51,519 --> 00:15:01,519 like being able to record what needs to be recorded and it was also um good for 181 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:06,880 the courts because the courts needed certain things that they needed for like 182 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:14,880 um you know for any kind of trial and everything. So our uh administrator was 183 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:18,800 also included in in the sex for that. Did the vendor offer an explanation of 184 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:25,440 how it would work or was it just in writing and and bid fit spec or 185 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:30,959 » they they explain like what they've done on other jobs and everything. Um they 186 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:36,399 also came in and they did look I was I showed probably at least five or six 187 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:40,160 different companies, you know, they came in to look. They 188 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:45,360 asked questions. They looked at all our old equipment that we had. And you know, 189 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:50,720 with the new equipment, they, you know, they explained it. Um, I can give you 190 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:55,440 guys, which I don't have on me right now, but I can send you the whole packet 191 00:15:53,759 --> 00:15:58,560 if you want to see the whole packet. >> Yeah. We just don't want to spend money 192 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,800 and then still have people complaining, you know, because right now we got dead 193 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:07,120 spots. You can't see somebody speaking. Obviously, the microphones go out often. 194 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,800 I know over at the board of ed when I was on there, they went out and bought 195 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,480 some very expensive microphones. They're expensive, the multi-directional ones. I 196 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,079 don't even think they're using them right now. So, might be something for 197 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,279 Carl to ask them if they're not using them. And we can. 198 00:16:19,839 --> 00:16:24,800 » Who knows? They're >> They're Oh, never. 199 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:27,839 » It's not a bad idea. >> Yeah, they're in their closet. 200 00:16:26,959 --> 00:16:28,880 » Yeah. >> Um 201 00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:33,759 » the Oh, >> I'm sorry. Go ahead. 202 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:40,320 » Oh, no. I'm just The maintenance of um the two-year ma um 203 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:44,480 maintenance fee $15,000. What does that maintenance include? Is it something 204 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:48,480 they'll come out but we have to pay for the part or 205 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,800 » No, it's all included. >> Meaning 206 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:54,160 » meaning them coming out and if they have to replace a part or if they can't fix 207 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:55,839 it, it's included in the maintenance fee. 208 00:16:54,720 --> 00:17:01,279 » Parts and labor. >> Sometimes you wonder just calling them 209 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:06,160 to fix it may be less than paying this maintenance fee if they could come out 210 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:10,640 for two years and everything's fine, you know. Also is there a guar a 211 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:15,199 warranty period >> within that 212 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:20,959 » that normally would pick up you know and then the uh then the guar then the uh 213 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:25,120 the maintenance would come after that. Yeah, I don't know off hand. 214 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:28,799 » It's possible. >> They make money as long 215 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:33,840 » because they're usually a manufacturer's equipment warranty minimum of one year 216 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:38,960 and then when they roll it together they're combining their labor knowing 217 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:43,440 that the parts are covered and then year two if something breaks then you have to 218 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,760 pay for the parts. >> Um 219 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:50,320 » might be worth getting a little details on that. Might be able to save a couple 220 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:53,280 bucks. It's uh is it something that's scheduled to to work to start? If we 221 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:58,320 approve this, >> if you approve it, we would go ahead and 222 00:17:55,360 --> 00:18:03,200 we would move forward with getting it uh scheduled to start. 223 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,679 » If you want to think about it, we got to table it. If you want to wait for more 224 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:10,160 information, >> do we have a time 225 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:14,640 » as to when this would actually be done? >> No. 226 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:19,039 » So, if we approve it tonight, we don't know when they would actually be 227 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:22,000 installed. Yeah, I have to schedule it. >> Yeah. I mean, we have this room gets 228 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:24,720 used by >> Yeah. A lot of people. 229 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,840 » A lot of people. We have court twice a month. 230 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:30,640 » Yeah. >> You know, we have MUA. We have So, they 231 00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:36,320 have to get in here when we can get them in here. 232 00:18:33,919 --> 00:18:39,280 » Yeah. >> So, I have a motion to table it until 233 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:42,320 the next time. >> Well, to get more information, if you 234 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:46,160 want to look at the maintenance agreement, 235 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:50,720 » this this was a bid. you know, this this went out and they have to follow the bid 236 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:53,600 specs. So, you really >> Yeah, you really can't cancel it if they 237 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,480 were at the bid >> because the maintenance the maintenance 238 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,360 was part of the bid. >> Okie dokie. 239 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:02,240 » You're the maintenance fee was part of the bid. 240 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,600 » So, they were >> because we wanted to make sure 241 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:10,559 » you're worried. we can 242 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:13,600 » these this company, you know, >> so if it's part of the bid, 243 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,919 » they submitted everything they needed for, 244 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:19,200 » you'd have to take you'd have to go back out to business without the um 245 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:22,080 maintenance. >> Yeah. You can't take that out without 246 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:27,600 rebidding it. >> Yeah. The way it was done, 247 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:31,600 » we already went out twice to bid. >> Yeah. So if I believe if 248 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:35,200 » we just have to go with this that no other option 249 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:39,360 » we had three other biders and >> yeah the other the other option is is 250 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:45,440 you basically would kill the that bid you have to go back out to bid. 251 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:54,360 » Okay earlier so we could I mean if it's a go 252 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:54,360 there's nothing we can do about it then. 253 00:19:54,799 --> 00:20:00,480 » Am I right? >> Yeah. just on process and procedure. The 254 00:19:57,679 --> 00:20:07,360 question was can we get information before it gets to this point in future 255 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:13,280 bids there may for example there's a discussion on something that DPW is 256 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:18,400 interested in buying right for the top of the cars and everything that's a 257 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:23,600 discussion item and it's it should be in my opinion a discussion not here it is 258 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:28,799 and let's go for it because we really don't know much about it and the person 259 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:32,000 that wants it might be able to use it here. 260 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,520 This these are legitimate questions. We've had some questions on uh 261 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:41,360 maintenance in the past when the elevator situation came up and it was a 262 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:45,440 $75,000 payment or whatever and then the answer was very expensive to fix 263 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:50,080 » an elevator and we didn't have a maintenance agreement but if we did it 264 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:54,559 would just involve the company to come out and then time and materials after 265 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:59,280 that. So that maintenance agreement was more of a response agreement than not 266 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:04,240 covering the cost of doing the work. There are different types of maintenance 267 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:08,240 agreements. So uh >> So if you're asking to look at every bid 268 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:13,280 before we go out to bid, is that what you're asking? 269 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:18,080 » Not every bid. I guess it would be a uh if it's brought up or uh 270 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:22,320 » Yeah, we should know in advance because we don't have an opportunity. You're 271 00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:27,039 asking us to vote on it, but we This is the first I've heard of, you know, 272 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:32,240 specifics, pricing 273 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:35,840 » when our QPA puts bids out. >> No, I get the process. 274 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:40,400 » Time frame. I know. If you want to look at certain bids, you have you have to 275 00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:42,640 let us know because there >> Yeah, but we didn't even know this 276 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,480 existed yet. >> Well, you knew we were going out for bid 277 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:51,039 » eventually. No, >> we we we voted 278 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:54,400 » to reject all bids before. So at that point in time, we were told it was going 279 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:58,000 out to bid again. >> I think it was two months ago. I think 280 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,960 we voted to reject all bids. >> Yes. 281 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:04,880 » Y >> because I asked about I said I see we 282 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:08,320 have to reject all bids for the AV project. Are we still moving forward 283 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:11,760 with it? And at that point in time, I think the mayor said, yes, we are going 284 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:14,320 out to bid again. It's not dead. It's just that they had all the bids that 285 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:18,799 came in were fatal. >> Right. 286 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:24,000 Well, we wouldn't have known. You're right. Checked, but we don't have any 287 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,919 specific information about each one of the bids. 288 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:32,720 » If you asked for the the bid specs at that point, I would have sent them to 289 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:37,760 you. Nobody Nobody asked for them. >> I guess I wasn't sure of the complete 290 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:41,039 process, but now we can talk about it. >> We do the bids the same way all the 291 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:45,600 time. If you want the bids >> Yeah, but I didn't know the process. I'm 292 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:52,159 sorry. bid specs. I will send them to you. But what I'm saying is you can't 293 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:56,559 wait from meeting to meeting to discuss all the bids because there's a process 294 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:00,240 with our QPA. >> Yeah. But what about before it comes to 295 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:04,240 us here? >> So that these are the bids and this 296 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,240 these are the terms. So we could just look at it. That's all 297 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:09,360 » on the internet. >> Yes. 298 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:12,960 » On the website. They're public bids. >> I advertise. And you advertise them on 299 00:23:11,679 --> 00:23:15,440 the town's website, >> sir. 300 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:18,640 » Okay. So, that's where all the bids are on the town's website 301 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,000 » as they come in >> and through bid and so on. 302 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:25,360 » So, we'll have to just watch the website to see what bids are coming in. 303 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:29,280 » Well, you can't see them coming in because they're sealed bids. 304 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:34,240 » So, what happens is a a bid a bid goes out. There's specifications in the bid 305 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:39,200 as to what's in it and and that's what the people respond 306 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:44,640 to and they say, "Okay, I can do A for $5, whatever." And it goes down the 307 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:50,559 line. They total that up. That's their number. Company A, B, and C does that. 308 00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:55,039 It goes back to the the the uh town, the QPA. They review it. They do a 309 00:23:52,880 --> 00:24:00,240 recommendation based upon either experience or based upon um some other 310 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:05,600 criteria and then they do recommendations and usually that's what 311 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:10,799 you see. um is a recommendation as you saw in this resolution what the bid was 312 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:17,120 why they recommending the the administration is recommending 313 00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:22,640 v vendor A over vendor C or D based upon maybe some problems that they've had in 314 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:26,400 the future or um some maybe some entity gave a better 315 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:31,279 price. >> Okay, but how would I know all because 316 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:34,080 this is the first I mean Bill had questions about it. We all have 317 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,279 questions about it. How does >> No, you just asked you just asked about 318 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:42,799 the bid. So, all the bids go out. >> It's a raw document that says this is 319 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:48,559 what we're looking for. These are the specifications. If you're interested, 320 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:52,559 please give us how much you would charge us and then they give that and then 321 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:58,080 that's reviewed. >> And that's another big do a big document 322 00:24:54,799 --> 00:25:04,240 that if you go on the if you go on a um a bid, there's spaces and they put the 323 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,720 numbers in. Um, do the do is that posted up there, the response or is just the 324 00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:09,840 bid? >> Just the bid. The bid the results can't 325 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:12,320 be posted. >> The results can't be 326 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,880 » until after they're open. They are posted after they're open. I don't know 327 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,640 if they're posted on our website, but they are. 328 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:19,520 » Yeah, I don't post them. a lot of municipalities do post the results on 329 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:23,600 their >> So, I guess if you see a bid and you're 330 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:29,200 interested in it, um once once they're opened and reviewed and the 331 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:34,400 recommendation is given, um I I guess I would contact the um the administrator 332 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:40,720 or maybe at one of the meetings when that specific resolution to approve 333 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:45,039 a bid, you know, that information can be supplied with with the packet. 334 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:48,400 » Yeah, maybe that should be the process then. I 335 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:52,080 » so we would have had those details. I mean, we get our 336 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:56,880 a few days before the meeting at least we could read the details. 337 00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:02,640 » But the problem is is once we tell our QPA we're going out for bid for whatever 338 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:08,159 and he draws up the specs, we have a certain amount of time to post it and 339 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:13,919 allow people to respond to it. Once the response is up and done after that time 340 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:20,720 and he opens that bid, we we can't change the specs unless you totally just 341 00:26:18,159 --> 00:26:25,440 deny it or like don't approve it at a meeting and then we have to rego out 342 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:30,080 back out to bid on something. >> Okay. So, maybe give us the packet. 343 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:34,480 Maybe we'll see something that's not right in it, but we'll know what we're 344 00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:37,360 voting on. And if something, you know, if it has to go out to bed, it's again, 345 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:42,000 it does. >> You emailed me and asked me for it. I 346 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:45,600 would have sent it to you. I, you know, that's why I give you your packet so 347 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:48,240 early. >> Here's a possible here's a possible 348 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,480 solution. >> Friday works over the weekend. 349 00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:58,159 » I don't see every bid either. It depends on what bid it is. some bids um our 350 00:26:55,360 --> 00:27:02,320 engineer sends out, some our QPA sends out, you know, I 351 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:06,080 » So, Marcy, >> as much as I can. 352 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:12,240 » When I read this, the recommendation for this contract um of 107,000, that's the 353 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:17,039 recommendation of the QPA to go with that bid over the other two 354 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:24,960 » when the bids come in. >> Yeah. Whichever bid is the lowest, most 355 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:27,279 advantageous, and meets the bid criter, that's the one that wins the bid. 356 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:32,960 » Yeah. >> If the QPA sees something wrong with the 357 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,520 bid that's was sent in, then that bid fails. 358 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:39,919 » Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. I'm just curious who makes that final 359 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:45,440 determination because we vote on it, but the resolution was drawn up 360 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:49,200 » on um your expertise from your QPA. So the QPA makes the recommend. Yeah. 361 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:55,520 » Okay. And that that makes sense. But what I think Sandy is asking is when we 362 00:27:52,640 --> 00:28:00,640 get these bids in there, >> it's already complete when when 363 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:05,919 » All right, that's fine. >> This res the bid is done. 364 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:09,760 » Yes. But once when the QPA is making that determination of which one to go 365 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:15,200 with, we don't see the bids that the QPA is 366 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:18,080 making the determination on. Nope. He doesn't see them until the bid opening 367 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,039 day. >> Yeah. 368 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:25,039 » At the time the bids can be open. >> And then he reviews it and then he comes 369 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,600 back with a conclusion saying, "Okay, this this company is fatal. They didn't 370 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,919 have everything. This company had everything but they were way over your 371 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,720 budget." >> Yeah. 372 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:39,039 » And then but this company had everything. Had all the correct people, 373 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,960 everything. And then the price. >> And we're just curious about the 374 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,720 process. >> We have to trust our professional. And 375 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,440 the other thing is is you have you have to go at the lowest. 376 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,880 » We don't want to I want to know what I'm voting on. So maybe 377 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:54,720 » what is the actual work being done >> when you do this? If you say, "Oh, 378 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:58,320 they're going to vote tonight on this. Let me give them as much information." 379 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,240 Not that we're going to vote it down, but we'll know what's going on and what 380 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,880 it includes just so we're more informed. 381 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:12,320 It's not to say yes, we want something, no, we'll pull it pull it, but to be 382 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:16,240 educated on what we're voting. So when you see a resolution, 383 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:20,399 » all the bids that you know that are on, I'll I'll give them to you. That's not a 384 00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:23,919 problem. I never asked. >> All right. Well, I didn't know the 385 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:29,360 process. Now I know. And that's how we can determine processes. 386 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:32,080 » So just when you see that, supply as much information as you can, so we're 387 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,159 educated. Okay. >> Somebody from the public asked me about 388 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:39,840 it. I shove my shoulders. I don't know. But oh, you voted on it. 389 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:45,440 » You just let me know, Sandy. I I will send it out to you. Like I said, you get 390 00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:48,320 your packets early if you want anything. Anything. 391 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:51,200 » Yeah. But what happens is it's over the weekend. Um 392 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:55,600 so >> laptop home. I I 393 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,360 » don't want to bother you on a weekend. >> If I can do it, I'll do it. 394 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:01,279 » Okay. >> No problem. 395 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:04,399 » All right. Thank you. >> Question for Peter. 396 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:09,279 » We had the consent agenda. >> Yes. 397 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:12,799 » I did not pull out 26 246. have a separate 246. 398 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,440 » Yes. Motion. >> Yep. 399 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:18,399 » Oh, is that um >> device? 400 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:21,919 » Yeah, we wanted to talk about that. >> So, do a motion to reconsider resolution 401 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:27,120 26246. >> Okay. Motion to reconsider resolution 402 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:34,159 2624. >> One thing at a time 403 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:38,880 654 that was bid for the AD um Yes, that's in the courtroom. 404 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:46,000 » I'll make the motion. We have a second for 20 second. 405 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,240 » Motion approved. And we have roll call. Roll call. 406 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,399 » Council member Canino. >> Yes. 407 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,039 » Council member Ols. >> Yes. 408 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,520 » Council member Rudo. >> All right. 409 00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:57,279 » Council member Sparta. >> Yes. 410 00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,240 » Council President Higgins. >> Yes. 411 00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:08,240 » Motion carries. >> Okay. make a resolution to for 412 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:11,679 » make resolution 26246. >> Have a separate discussion on that. Do 413 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,000 we have a uh >> motion to rec? 414 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,600 » Second. >> First motion. 415 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,799 » All in favor? >> I I 416 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:25,120 » I'm sorry. Who made the motion? >> I'll motion to reconsider. 417 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:32,159 » Okay. Thank you. So 26246, Tina, 418 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:38,240 and and I don't know how this happened, but it's kind of an answer to our last 419 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:43,679 question. I received a an email from the department that was ordering this, which 420 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:48,080 was in my opinion a great idea because wanted me to know what was what was in 421 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:54,320 the resolution because it was important to that department. And and what 422 00:31:50,399 --> 00:32:00,559 resolution 246 is is a new product from Massachusetts and it's a device that 423 00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:06,240 sits on the top of a vehicle and then all the software reads the signs, reads 424 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:11,039 the roads, reads the guard rails and maps your whole town as you drive around 425 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:16,240 and it gives you the option of planning for future needs. You might have a 426 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:20,159 pothole, you might have a fence down. So, it's a lot to it, right? And it's a 427 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:24,240 company in Massachusetts that has has a patent on it. It's their product. And I 428 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:32,159 believe the cost of the device on the roof is like $24,000 or so. And then 429 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:38,480 there's a twoyear two year 13 $15,000 cost to it. So something like this is 430 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:43,760 out of the ordinary should have discussion. It should probably have the 431 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:50,080 department head here to explain why it was important to him and uh what it can 432 00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:55,919 do for the town. It's unique and the paperwork that was attached that's in 433 00:32:51,840 --> 00:33:01,039 our paperwork as well shows that uh they continue they will own it. If it breaks 434 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:05,679 they give us one immediately to replace the hardware but it's theirs and we're 435 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:09,200 actually signing their agreement. You know when they do business with us they 436 00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:13,440 sign ours. So, it went through our purchasing director, but it's a very 437 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:17,200 unique thing that is different from everything else. It's not anything the 438 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:23,360 town's ever done before. Could be significant. And uh, you know, I I 439 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:29,440 forgot to pull it out because it I would like to just table that to get somebody 440 00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:33,919 here to tell us the real value and what it can do for us over time. might have a 441 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:39,200 significant advantage of being able to plan for road development and fences and 442 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:45,519 potholes and you name it or trees or overhanging uh lines could show all of 443 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:49,679 that just by simply driving the car down the street and it captures all that 444 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:54,720 information. Pretty cool. I It's something that's uh really nice. Like to 445 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:57,279 know a little bit more about it. That's all. 446 00:33:56,080 --> 00:34:03,200 » That's why I pulled it out. >> I would make a motion to table this. I'd 447 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:07,279 like to see a little demonstration on it or look online. Yeah, maybe I can see a 448 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:12,800 demo. >> Do we have a second? 449 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,399 » Second. >> I'll second it. 450 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,159 » Second. >> Roll call vote, please. 451 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,679 » Sorry, what was it for? To table. >> It was for tableabling that. 452 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:26,679 » Who made the motion? >> I did. 453 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:26,679 » Sandy did. Carl second. 454 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,639 » Council member Canino. This is the table, right? 455 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,560 » Yes. >> Yes. 456 00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:36,079 » Council member Ols. >> Yes. 457 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:38,800 » Council member Rudo. >> Yeah, I'll go along. 458 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,599 » I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. >> Yes. 459 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,839 » Council member Sparta. >> Yes. 460 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,720 » Council President Higgins. >> Yes. 461 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,720 » Motion carries. 462 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,599 » Introduction number nine. Introduction of ordinances. 463 00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:08,240 Ordinance 2617, an ordinance amending 50-9 fees and escos at a Vernon Township 464 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:11,040 administrative code. May I have a motion to introduce ordinance 465 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,920 » 2617? >> Excuse me. 466 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:23,119 » Yes, sir. Before we introduce it, um, at a previous meeting, the the gazebo was 467 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:28,960 the title or not, the name for the gazebo was changed to the Vietnam 468 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:35,440 Veterans Memorial Pavilion. >> Is it possible that we could 469 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:40,560 change the title the uh the comment on this to that so we vote on it rather 470 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:43,920 than have to make decisions later on? 471 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:52,880 any that we did vote to name it the Vietnam veterans. 472 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,440 » Isn't this an ordinance for fees? >> Yeah, this is for 473 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,720 » fees and escros. >> So, does does it have anything to do 474 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:03,119 with a gazebo? >> Well, yeah. It's that's the name of the 475 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,839 facility. >> Yeah. So, maybe he went instead of use 476 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:12,720 of community gazebo, he you might want the name of the gazebo spelled out. 477 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:17,280 » Yeah. Vietnam Veterans Memorial. Okay. >> This has nothing to do with the name. 478 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:20,400 This is an ordinance for the police to use the gazebo. 479 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,560 » If you want to vote to change the name of the gazebo, that's 480 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,880 » We already did. >> We did. So, he's just saying replace it. 481 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:32,079 » Change the name that you named it different. That has nothing to do with 482 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:36,400 this ordinance. This is for the fees to use gazebo. 483 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:39,839 » Why can't we change it now? Because it's only going to come back. Why don't we 484 00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:42,720 just do it one shot and get done be done with it? 485 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:48,560 » Have any this ordinance is can you vote on this first and then vote to change? 486 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:53,760 » But he's not he's not asking to change the name of the gazebo. What he's asking 487 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:57,280 is a set of use of community gazebo have as use as a Vietnam veterans. That's 488 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,480 what he's asking. >> That's he wants it referred to. 489 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:09,520 » Well, no, this is >> that's the name of it. No, let 490 00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:14,960 the title for this is inappropriate, okay? Because we changed that name, but 491 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:20,160 it was just came out to community gazebo. We don't have a community 492 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,400 gazebo. We have a Vietnam veterans memorial 493 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,920 pavilion. I >> I understand I understand what you're 494 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,079 saying. >> Yeah, it just wants to change the name 495 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:32,880 there. >> That's it. from Kazebo 496 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:37,839 to what the formal name is as it reads >> in the code and on the ordinance 497 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:40,079 » resolution to name the >> gazebo 498 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:45,119 » gazebo >> change the wording of this ordinance we 499 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,960 just have to amend the the ordinance as introduced 500 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,680 » it would be administrative >> right 501 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,359 » right >> so you would just it would be a motion 502 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:57,599 to amend uh the use of community gazo to the use of the Vietnam veterans Memorial 503 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,640 Pavilion. >> Pavilion. 504 00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:04,720 » Yeah. >> Um, just question. We don't currently 505 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:08,960 charge people to use the gazebo. >> You don't haven't had a yet. 506 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:14,720 » Oh, dog. I'm sorry. >> I got If we didn't have this in place 507 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:20,079 and if someone was not renting out the gazebo, then they would be able to go up 508 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:24,560 and use it without paying for it. Right. So essentially what you're doing is is 509 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:27,200 you're not allowing people to use it >> for like 510 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,079 » unless they pay for it. But but people can probably go up there and sit, but if 511 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:35,920 they're going to have a party, >> but if you're going to have 512 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:40,480 » you're not going to an order where the recreation department eats keep order 513 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:44,640 and you have two different venues that want to use it 514 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:48,800 at the same time, this is going to keep order. 515 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,119 And also if somebody's going to use it for 516 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:55,280 » a party or party or something. >> But that's where I get confused because 517 00:38:52,720 --> 00:39:00,720 if I take for instance I grew up by way onto state park. If you wanted to have a 518 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:04,000 your birthday party down there, you would just go to the gazebo and have 519 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,320 your >> Yeah. And but how do you enforce it? 520 00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:11,599 Because people can just walk up and go to the gazebo if they're not renting it. 521 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,720 If someone wants >> more for like events. 522 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,560 » Yeah. So, or events >> like people will probably go there and 523 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,079 have their lunch, maybe walk down there. >> I just feel like this would be 524 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,359 » calendar. I mean, >> and what what you don't want is you 525 00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:30,000 don't want big groups down there because then you're going to have 526 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:32,640 » I no I totally stand from having big groups down there. 527 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:38,000 » I I guess it would have to be the the people who enforce the ordinances with 528 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:40,400 police and or uh employees. >> Yes. 529 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:45,040 » Lots of questions about this. I have a lot of questions also. I don't know if 530 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:49,839 you want to discuss it now. >> Well, no, normally we don't. That's why 531 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:55,520 I I wanted to do this before just to change to find out if we could change 532 00:39:51,520 --> 00:40:01,760 the name as the next this will be the introduction and then the the uh at the 533 00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:04,880 next meeting when we vote on it is when you would normally uh have may comment 534 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:10,480 on it. >> I I just I don't understand how we would 535 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:15,839 really enforce this. Well, it's the same thing when people want to use the park. 536 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:19,520 Um, Michelle in recreation has a schedule 537 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:23,040 » and they go through her, they go through the recreation department. It's It just 538 00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:30,480 keeps order. >> I know. I just It seems kind of 539 00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:34,880 This idea I just think is a little bit I'd like to see it more fleshed out, 540 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:40,079 more detailed before I vote on it. It's like $100 for residents, $200 for 541 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:44,400 non-residents. You need to have someone enforcing that 542 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:51,040 pretty thoroughly. And where do you draw the line between a family going there to 543 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:55,040 have a barbecue and someone using it for an actual event that we could charge 544 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:59,520 them? >> No, I I understand that, but how would 545 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,920 you how would people understand when they have to apply and when they don't? 546 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:07,680 It just >> That's our ordinance. I I I don't know. 547 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:11,520 » I know. I'm I'm more so just know I don't 548 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:17,040 » But Tina, I have a question about the liability. 549 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:20,880 So I know like in the lake communities for their clubhouse, if somebody wants 550 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:25,920 to rent it, they have to show up with their own insurance. 551 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:30,560 » So that's and that's the same thing. If somebody uses our um senior center, 552 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:34,800 » they have to have their own insurance. >> They what? They have to have their own 553 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:38,000 insurance also if they use our senior center. 554 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:42,960 » So for the gazebo they'd have to And what about alcohol use and all and 555 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:46,319 enforcing some of the stuff? That's where my 556 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:49,119 » alcohol use and no alcohol use at the park. 557 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:53,200 » But is somebody going to monitor it? Enforce it. I mean, we can make all the 558 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,800 rules we want, but if they're not enforced, 559 00:41:54,720 --> 00:42:00,560 » well, nobody's going to be standing guard for the party 560 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:04,560 » unless you want to adjust the um add money to the budget. You could hire 561 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,240 full-time people. You could enforce you can enforce everything. You just need 562 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:13,839 the money. Unfortunately, what what we do and most municipalities do the the 563 00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:16,800 police enforce ordinances, but it's usually 564 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:22,720 » based it's it's reactive instead of proactive. So, someone someone will be 565 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:27,280 at the park and complain that there's a bunch of hooligans, if I can use that 566 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:30,720 word, hooligans, you know, creating mayhem there. They'll call the police. 567 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:34,640 The police will go down there. They'll say, "What are you doing?" They'll have 568 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,000 barbecue pits in the pavilion. There's probably going to be scorch marks up on 569 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:42,960 the top of it. The police will issue them a violation under this ordinance 570 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:46,079 because they didn't get a permit. >> And unfortunately, that's how you do it. 571 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:52,079 If you wanted someone down there all the time, you'd have to get hire someone and 572 00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:57,200 then that would be cost prohibitive. So, it's really a reactive 573 00:42:53,359 --> 00:43:01,839 » pay for in with the fee. But anyway, my concern is the liability. That's all. If 574 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:06,480 something happens, they're drinking, somebody gets hurt, something, anything. 575 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:10,240 I'm just concerned about the liability. And that's part of why you you want this 576 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:14,240 fee because when they have to pay the fee, usually there's a form that they 577 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:21,200 fill out as what they can't do and they hold the the municipality harmless. Oh, 578 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:25,280 a deposit. Get it back at the end. Maybe something like that. 579 00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:30,319 They have to leave a deposit. >> Well, they're paying to rent it, 580 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:35,760 » right? But you can pay to rent it, but also hold on to a deposit. And if they 581 00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:38,480 check out, it's clean, nothing's broken, they get their deposit back. 582 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:45,119 » They do that, too. >> I mean, that is a normal thing. I mean, 583 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:49,599 you rent a Airbnb, anything, a you paying a deposit, but you get it back 584 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:55,839 and then that's you'll make you more likely to follow the rules. Um, 585 00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:01,839 and >> irrespective of the gazebo world war, 586 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,720 um, what are we naming it? I'm sorry, Pat. 587 00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,640 » Pavilion. >> Pavilion. 588 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:09,280 » Usually you do both, >> right? The fee the fee would be for any 589 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:13,280 administrative costs and the deposit would be given back as long as if the 590 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:17,599 rules are that take out the garbage if they can't leave burning um 591 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:21,119 » no scorch on the top like you just told me. That will happen and hooligans and 592 00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:24,960 all of that. >> It could happen. 593 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:28,200 » Could happen. So maybe that's an idea. Just saying. 594 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:37,520 You want do we have a motion to change the uh wording for on number three on 595 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:42,560 26-17 ordinance >> use of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial 596 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:46,400 Pavilion instead of saying use of community gazebo. I'll make that motion. 597 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:51,040 I have a second. >> I'll second it. 598 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:57,119 » Wasn't pavilion though. It was Can you repeat it? Um Council Member Rudo, 599 00:44:53,839 --> 00:45:04,760 » sorry. What is the name of the >> Vietnam Veterans Memorial Pavilion? 600 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,760 » Okay, thank you. 601 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:15,200 » That a roll call or uh it'll be a roll call. Roll call. 602 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,960 » Council member Canino? >> Yes. 603 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,720 » Council member Ols. >> Yes. 604 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,480 » Council member Rudo. >> Yes. 605 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,800 » Council member Sp. >> Yes. 606 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,960 » President Higgins. >> Yes. Motion carries. 607 00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:30,880 » Okay. Now we'll go back to the actual ordinance itself. 608 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:35,119 And do we have a motion to approve ordinance 26 17 609 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:39,119 » introduce >> with the changes? 610 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,839 » So moved >> as an introduction. 611 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:45,920 » Yeah. Introduction ordinance is 2617. >> I'll make that motion. 612 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,280 » I moved it. Oh, >> sir. Second. 613 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,599 » Mr. Rudo. >> Roll call. Council 614 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:56,720 » member Canino. >> No. Council member Ols. 615 00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:02,400 » Well, if we make some changes, I mean, we're still going to charge that, but if 616 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:06,079 anybody want to change it to require a deposit or something like that, 617 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,119 » just for introduction. >> Yes. 618 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,839 » Well, >> make sure. 619 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,480 » All right. So, no. >> My vote is no. 620 00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:18,480 » Council member Rudo, >> yes. 621 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:20,640 » Council member Sparta, >> yes. 622 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:28,319 » Council President Higgins, >> yes. Motion carries. 623 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:35,359 » Ordinance 2618, an ordinance amending chapter 99, vehicles and traffic of the 624 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:41,960 Vernon Township Administrative Cove. This is for introduction. May I have a 625 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,960 motion to introduce 26-8? 626 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:50,520 So moved. Have a second. 627 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,520 Second. 628 00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:54,000 Roll call. >> Member 629 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,359 » Canino. >> Yes. 630 00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:01,040 » Yes. Member. >> Yes. 631 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:04,480 » Yes. >> Yes. 632 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:08,400 » Motion carries. >> The public's turn. Public comment. 633 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:13,359 Please note public comments are limited to five minutes per person. Anyone 634 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:16,720 wishing to speak, state their name for the record. 635 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,920 » Do we have a motion to open it to the public? Five minutes. 636 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,319 moved. >> Second. 637 00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:27,599 » All in favor? >> I oppose. 638 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:30,160 » Open to public. Gary, state your name, please. 639 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:35,680 » My name is Christy Gary and I live in Vernon. I'm just uh speaking because I 640 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:40,160 was going around talking to different people while I was uh getting people to 641 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,720 sign my petition. I've been quite successful and I was listening to their 642 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:50,880 voices. They're very unhappy with the taxes. They are unhappy with the new 643 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:57,839 apartments that have been built and that are continuing to be built. 644 00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:01,440 They want to Vernon to rem remain rural and they don't like the appearance of 645 00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:05,680 these apartments either. They feel like they don't fit in into our rural 646 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:10,560 community. And uh 647 00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:16,880 I just want to say too that after a petition went around and signed and was 648 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:22,160 signed against a pilot program by thousands of Vernon citizens, the town's 649 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:28,800 lawyer looked for a loophole and found one which negated the petition 650 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:34,079 and silenced the voice of the people. If our elected officials cared about what 651 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:40,240 was in the best interest of the people, they would have honored that petition. 652 00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:44,000 I'm speaking for voices of the people in town. 653 00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:48,240 This is just one of the reasons why we believe we want to change our present 654 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:53,520 form of government. We want the town to be ruled in a fair, equitable way, which 655 00:48:51,680 --> 00:49:00,680 is always in the best interests of the people and not just in the best 656 00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:00,680 interests of those who govern us. 657 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:09,359 I am part of a group of concerned citizens and I am very proud that I and 658 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:14,000 others are trying to write the wrongs of those in power in spite of criticism 659 00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:21,440 from those who are doing nothing to improve matters. Our main interest and 660 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:28,000 goal is that the people of Vernon get treated fairly and equitably 661 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:31,599 and that their voices are heard. We intend to get our petition put on the 662 00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:36,960 ballot and to give the citizens of Vernon a choice on how we will move 663 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:43,040 forward in the future. We also believe that justice is on our side and with 664 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:50,480 your help, citizens of Vernon, we will prevail. One final thought is we must 665 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:53,839 stop dividing ourselves and we need to stand together in this town. 666 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,000 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 667 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,599 » Anyone else? 668 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:08,480 Seeing no one coming forward. Have a motion to close the post. 669 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:12,440 » Moved. Second. >> All in favor? Drive 670 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:17,839 » council comments. >> Start with Carl at the end, work our way 671 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:25,280 up. >> So, I am extremely concerned with a 672 00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:31,520 development that I heard about this past week in regards to the pickle ball court 673 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:36,000 that we discussed at our last meeting. So, at our last meeting, the mayor 674 00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:41,760 mentioned um constructing a pickle ball court near the pump track that was built 675 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:47,359 years ago, and he discussed paying for it with a bond, and it was vetted by the 676 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:52,559 council, and it was pretty obvious that the council was not really comfortable 677 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:57,760 with the idea and wanted to explore other things that could be done with 678 00:50:54,240 --> 00:51:04,480 that money. Um, I have an email in front of me that I requested that was sent to 679 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:11,359 me from our mayor to the town engineer dated the 12th of um, I'm sorry, the 20 680 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:16,240 sorry, yeah, the 12th of July. Thank Corey, please proceed with the pickle 681 00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:20,720 ball courts possibility, a multi-use court as well as a resting shade area. 682 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:25,760 Michelle can head this up with you on details or whatever she feels would be 683 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:33,520 in Vernon's best interest. I would like to break ground as soon as possible. 684 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:39,599 Then after a memorandum was sent, there's another email sent on the 22nd 685 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:44,240 of um of July. Hi, I don't think the question was can the mayor just build it 686 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:49,440 without council approval. The council will need to approve and award the bid 687 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:54,319 or contract. The question, if I'm not mistaken, was can we use the money from 688 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:58,720 the pump track or open space? Unless this request came from someone else 689 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:03,200 else. If this can be cleaned up, removing the mayor from just building it 690 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:07,359 without council approval would be more sufficient. Thanks. 691 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,359 » That's from the mayor. >> Wow. 692 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:16,960 » And that was sent to the BA. So, what are we doing? We as a council 693 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:22,480 expressed that we're not comfortable with it when we discussed it during his 694 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:28,000 mayor's comments. Then after that, he's directing the engineer to proceed with 695 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:32,079 the pickle ball courts. And then after a memorandum was sent telling him, yes, 696 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:37,200 you can use that bond money for the pickle ball courts, he follows up by 697 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:42,079 saying the council will need to approve the bidder contract. So now we spent 698 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:47,280 money on the engineer and I found out it's in the retainer to do the 699 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:52,880 memorandum, but we're spending money on the pickle ball court already when the 700 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:59,040 council expressed we're not comfortable and he acknowledges that we would have 701 00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:04,960 to approve the contract. What is this? This is a mess and we're spending money. 702 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:10,480 That's what I'm really mad about is that we're spending money with the engineer 703 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:15,040 on these pickle ball courts that we express we're not comfortable with. We 704 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:20,319 haven't discussed other ways to use that bond money. We could pay down other 705 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:24,319 bonds with it. We could look into other projects. There are million things that 706 00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:28,800 we could do if we can use that money for a pickle ball court. 707 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:34,079 Why is he making that determination on his own and then expecting us to be 708 00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:38,480 dragged along with it? I'm really mad about that. And this is a recurring 709 00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:42,000 pattern. It's the same thing that happened with the trash compactor. It's 710 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:48,800 kind of the same thing that happened with Burger Road. He's spending money 711 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:53,599 that we technically have a say over whether or not he can spend. We have to 712 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:58,640 do something to prevent this from happening over and over and over again. 713 00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:02,480 There are options that we can explore. Voting on purchase orders, voting on the 714 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:08,160 bills list. There are so many things that we could do to prevent him from 715 00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:12,640 continuing to do this because it's unacceptable. 716 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:18,000 We did not want that money being spent on that project. We would have to vote 717 00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:26,440 to approve the contract and he's already spending money on it. That's not okay. 718 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:26,440 Very annoyed by it. 719 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:35,520 » Mr. Azuro, I have no comment. 720 00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:39,280 » Um, well, I'm in agreement with Carl. I mean, this is how we go through the 721 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:45,280 money. You say you got to control the money. Our job is the money. 722 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:49,440 A lot of things we want to change, do, oh, well, you can't do it. That's the 723 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:53,839 mayor's job. Well, the money is our job. So, we really have to be conscientious 724 00:54:51,359 --> 00:55:00,720 of how that money is going to be spent. And Carl's 100% right. He's spending 725 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:05,920 money on doing a title search on somebody else's property. He's spending 726 00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:11,040 money on this pickle ball that, you know, it might no one might vote for 727 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:16,160 it to go through. And there's been other instances. 728 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:20,720 So, we really need to re in the spending. And that's one way to do it. 729 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:26,880 Not spend all this money and then it comes to vote. No. So you something has 730 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:32,160 to be done about that. It's taxpayers money and it's being dwindled away. 731 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:37,920 Though I do agree with Carl and I would think most of you guys would probably 732 00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:41,920 agree with the same thing. Um but then on a different note, I think we um I'm 733 00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:48,079 throwing this out there. You may all say, "No, this is a bad idea." But I 734 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:52,240 think at every meeting going forward, we should take just a few minutes out to 735 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:58,640 discuss what we're going to do to try to save money, reduce spending so we don't 736 00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:03,839 have a big tax hike come budget time. We talk about the 737 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:09,200 budget only during budget time. We need to start preparing for that next budget. 738 00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:14,000 And I think as a group, we should open it up for discussion just a few minutes 739 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:19,280 at every council meeting. Maybe Patty's come up with something. Maybe Tina's 740 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:23,200 come up with a money-saving idea and it needs to be discussed. So, we're 741 00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:29,680 not just doing it a few days before the budget's due. We're working now to 742 00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:32,240 reduce the budget for 2027. That's just a thought. 743 00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:36,720 » Good point. >> So, maybe chew on that and see what we 744 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:42,559 can do with that. subcommittee council president. You can get to your council 745 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:47,920 the creative subcommittee and then bring those savings ideas that 746 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:52,960 » yeah I know Patty as a new CFO announced to all of us that she's going to start 747 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:56,319 her budget process in September you know her first time. So, the timing for that 748 00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:01,040 would be uh >> pretty. We should like looking at the 749 00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:05,119 car leases. There's a lot of things we can look at. 750 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:11,040 » Um and purchase orders is a great idea also. We should be doing that. 751 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:14,000 » Still, I don't go time, Sandy. >> No, no, I'm done. 752 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:19,599 » There's a lot of things I think we could do in adjusting the code, adjusting ways 753 00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:24,000 that we approve these purchases that would help prevent situations like this 754 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:29,440 from coming again. I think doing a subcommittee would be a really good way 755 00:57:26,319 --> 00:57:34,480 to discuss those ideas and to make proposals as to what we can change 756 00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:39,040 because I mean I can think of three or four things off the top of my head that 757 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:45,359 we could do to prevent situations like this from happening again. It it just 758 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:50,319 makes me sick that like it's such a perversion of the way things are 759 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:54,559 supposed to be done. We I remember you, Pat, Sandy, myself, we all were not 760 00:57:52,480 --> 00:58:00,079 comfortable with this idea and we wanted to explore other ideas 761 00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:04,799 and yet we're already spending money on this pickle ball court. I just feel like 762 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:08,480 this is not something that we can let keep happening. It's like banging my 763 00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:11,680 head on a wall. >> Okay. So, do we have a motion to form a 764 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:16,720 subcommittee? >> You just as the council president, you 765 00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:20,000 can just form it. You mean ask for volunteers and you can point that? 766 00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:26,000 » Yeah, without voting on >> I would like to be on it at that. 767 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:27,920 » Yeah, you would. Sandy interested >> possibly. Possibly. 768 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,799 » Okay, >> Brad, any interest? 769 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,839 » I know some people that would be interested in joining. 770 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:39,440 » Well, it's the subcommittee is a subcommittee of the council, so you 771 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:42,640 can't have it's only open to the five of you. 772 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:46,240 » Oh, okay. All right. Let me think about it. Okay. 773 00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:47,680 » You know, I'll talk whether I'm on a committee or not 774 00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:50,559 » about it. >> Think about it. 775 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:56,480 » Okay. Good. 776 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:59,839 » Okay. And your comments or is over to Brad. 777 00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:05,359 » Um, kind of building on what Sandy said, too. I I think I think when Patty was 778 00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:09,920 hired, I could be mistaken. It might have been when Dell was here. I did ask 779 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:14,559 if we could kind of get a year to date on the budget so that way we knew where 780 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:18,079 we were going forward and also as we get close to the end of the year as to 781 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:21,119 what's encumbered. A lot of times you encumber the health and benefits and 782 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,720 stuff like that at a quarter and so on and so forth. That way at least we can 783 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:33,599 have some sort of idea where we're at with um surplus and what we're looking 784 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:36,960 at for the following year. So uh we are twothirds of the way through the year 785 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:41,040 already. you know, we haven't had any type of update as to where we're at. 786 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:43,200 Granted, we've only had a budget for >> three months, 787 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,240 » four months. Yeah. >> Is May, right? 788 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:49,359 » Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um if there's some way we can 789 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:53,200 kind of and you know, it's something I think we should be receiving 790 00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:57,839 um monthly uh as to where we're at and then 791 00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:00,880 that way if we see anything that's glaring, we can bring it up during a 792 00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:03,920 meeting and discuss it at that point. Then, 793 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:08,319 » are you talking about the admins report? There's admin's report that shows the 794 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,319 line items and then what's been encumbered and what's left. 795 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,359 » Yeah, >> something like that. 796 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,400 » Yeah. >> So, Tina, like know the admins report. 797 01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:18,000 That's probably the easiest way to do it. Most definitely. 798 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:24,000 » And that would give us an idea too as to what what line items we have potential 799 01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:29,119 under budget in and what potential line items are under or have been underfunded 800 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,599 where transfers are going to happen >> because we're getting actually to the 801 01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:35,599 time of year where we're going to start seeing a lot of transfers. And it's nice 802 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:39,440 to know ahead of time where they potentially could be coming from and 803 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,920 where they're going to. >> Okay. I'll talk to her tomorrow. She was 804 01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:45,880 out today. >> Okay. Thank you. 805 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:58,079 Anything else, Bren? Okay. >> I can't believe 806 01:00:54,799 --> 01:01:04,640 » one to address Gary on the petition. I was in favor of the petition to to go 807 01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:10,000 forward and sign it until until it became a still a nonpartisan form of 808 01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:15,280 government. And as I'm full belief that the right way to do it is have the 809 01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:20,319 council run the town on elected mayor with the way it is. However, a 810 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:25,359 nonpartisan just favors a few people. It doesn't favor the majority. This is a 811 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:31,839 majority town and one of the uh one of the two political parties. there should 812 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:34,799 be uh primaries this in June and it's a way to do it. It's the way it's done in 813 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:38,400 the county and there's no reason it shouldn't be done here. So that's my 814 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:41,839 that's why I didn't sign it and I hope there's not enough petitioners and I 815 01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:46,000 hope there's a petition next year to turn it over but make it a partisan form 816 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:51,200 of government. >> Secondly, the uh lot of lot of 817 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:56,000 discussion taking place on what's going to be developed in town, what plans 818 01:01:53,359 --> 01:02:00,799 there are. It's been on Facebook and all the buildings that are going to go up 819 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:04,880 along Main Street. Well, there's a there's a lot of panic and a lot of 820 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:09,839 conjecture because the company that bought that land also put up a couple of 821 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:14,559 buildings or is putting up one and has put up another behind us. They're not 822 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:20,000 renting them out in any fashion that probably making them very happy. There's 823 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:24,880 a lot of risk and uh they're finding out what type of town Vernon is, whether 824 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:30,319 they're interested in renting uh for $3,000 a month a one and a halfbedroom 825 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:36,799 apartment or onebedroom with a den and it doesn't seem to be going very well. 826 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:40,319 So plans change. No panic. It can be commercial properties as well as 827 01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:44,559 residential. Nothing's been brought to the land use board that's been approved. 828 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:52,319 So there's nothing to panic about. And let's see where uh let's see where we go 829 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:58,240 with this. Let's And next is uh pickle ball. Our attorney made a ruling 830 01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:03,119 on the pickle ball on the amount of money that could be spent from the funds 831 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:08,880 that are available very clear on his decision and uh it it really limits the 832 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:14,400 amount of money that could be spent even if we wanted to spend it. So, I can say 833 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:18,640 pretty clearly that I'll never vote for the pickle ball court there because 834 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:23,119 it'll be one pickle and no ball because that's how much money will be left. It's 835 01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:28,319 really just 30% of the money is available and uh but to the town, to 836 01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:31,839 everybody in town, there is money available. We can pay off a bond with 837 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:36,799 it. We can use some of it for recreation. So, we're all ears. If there 838 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:41,520 are other ideas, please, you know, submit your ideas, 839 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:44,640 call in, email, send us an email, give us some there's opportunity that we 840 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,559 might be able to do some things. There's a law laundry list of different uh 841 01:03:46,799 --> 01:03:52,480 things that can be done for the benefit of the town at different locations as 842 01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:57,920 well. >> And the last comment is last week there 843 01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:01,200 was a board of education meeting and it was supposed to be on Thursday at 844 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:06,160 Lounsbury, then it was changed to Glenn Meadow. It 845 01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:11,760 was probably the biggest vote that could have been taken ever in Vernon. 846 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:17,440 » And uh I think eight people were there. Mr. Cino was there. I was there. Sandy 847 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:23,680 was there. And two of us spoke about the subject. And the subject was to indebt 848 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:32,559 the taxpayers of Vernon for a bond of $75 million plus interest which totaled 849 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:38,160 $102 million to be repaid over 20 years. And my calculations are that the tax 850 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:42,400 burden on the average home in Vernon is $500 and some dollars between five and 851 01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:48,240 $550. Multiply 550 times 20 years and you'll 852 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:54,720 come up to around $13,000. Biggest tax increase that would ever be 853 01:04:51,440 --> 01:05:00,079 uh shown to the public on the on the average tax and nobody showed up. And 854 01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:03,760 the the discussion on the board of ed was we have two ways of doing this. 855 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:07,920 three ways. One, just don't do it and vote it down. The second was do a 856 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:12,880 referendum and allow the town's people to vote. And they knew it would fail. So 857 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:18,319 the third was to take advantage of a new law that was put in before Governor 858 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:25,680 Murphy left which allows them in this town to use a contract in one of the 859 01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:30,559 Abbott district towns like Pay Patterson Cland County towns that signed up for 860 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:36,000 this special program called the CIA program construction critical 861 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:40,880 infrastructure agency from the state and borrow the money from the state. So, in 862 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:45,599 fact, the town would be taking all of our schools, leasing them to the state, 863 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:52,480 and then get them back whenever we pay off this 20-year debt. And uh and the 864 01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:57,680 town that we use to use their contract, they get a percentage as well. So, if 865 01:05:54,559 --> 01:06:02,319 it's a 4% bond, we'll probably paying 5% because the town that has a contract is 866 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:05,760 going to make some money. Could be the worst thing to ever happen. And people 867 01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:10,319 are here, they're concerned, they listen to taxes. nothing bigger than this. And 868 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:16,240 it was to be used for capital improvements. Well, you can't you could 869 01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:19,920 build a high school for $70 million. And they're looking to replace roofs, 870 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:24,240 boilers, you name it. They don't even have the list of what they want to spend 871 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:30,720 it on. They just want the money to say we can do it. And uh it's time for the 872 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:35,920 residents of the town to speak up now because this vote was taken and passed 873 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:41,200 and the monies will could conceivably start flowing to them next April. And if 874 01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:48,319 that happens, your taxes are going to go up on average over $500 just from that 875 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:52,720 one vote, plus the normal increases. So time to get involved. 876 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:58,079 And uh I'm personally looking into any way I can stop it, but it's not our 877 01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:03,119 vote, it's their vote. And that's the end of my comments. Thank you. 878 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,960 » May I have a motion to adjourn the meeting? 879 01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:06,400 » Some moved. >> Second. 880 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:11,240 » Second. >> All in favor? 881 01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:11,240 » I meeting 882 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:23,640 have a good one. Thank you.