[0:03] transferred over to
the other thing. Carl, do you have
[0:10] » 10:00 call to order with Township Clerk?
Please read the statement.
[0:20] » Regular meeting was provided to the
public
[0:24] 22nd, 2026.
[0:28] would open
and say 104-7.
[0:34] » So the pledge pledge
[0:39] allegiance to the flag of the United
States.
[0:52] » Roll call, please.
here.
[0:57] » Here
[1:06] » mayor comments.
>> He didn't leave me anything.
[1:09] » No, nothing to you. Okay.
And uh public comments.
[1:17] This will be for current agenda items
only. Limited three minutes per person.
[1:21] And do I have a motion to open it to the
public? Motion second.
[1:26] » Second.
>> Uh, all in favor?
[1:28] » I.
>> Any opposed?
[1:31] Open to public. Anybody from the public?
[1:36] » Seeing none, we have a motion to close
it to public.
[1:41] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[1:43] » I
[1:46] review of the bills list.
[2:01] I have a question might not have the
answer for me, but if you can find out.
[2:06] I saw there was another planter on this
build trip.
[2:12] » Hey,
>> and it's $889.
[2:17] I've seen the other one. So, it's all
the same price.
[2:22] So, I was wondering if this is taken out
of beautifification.
[2:27] » Do you have a number on the
>> I don't I don't $800 something dollars.
[2:34] » Yeah, I would have to look into that. I
don't know that offhand, but I will uh
[2:37] I'll find out.
>> Thanks. Yeah, just want to know what
[2:40] » found it. So you're looking at a this
looks like
[2:46] from last year number says 25-01125
town center garden planner.
[2:55] » There so the check is 66339
for $855.81.
[3:02] » How much is it for? $855
>> because I saw a whole bunch last year on
[3:08] there. And then why is this here?
Because it didn't look like we got
[3:11] anything new.
>> I don't think we did because this is
[3:15] saying 25 is the PO. So I don't know if
it was something that they were waiting
[3:20] to come in. I'll have to look though.
And I'll
[3:23] » And then just what account it's being
charged to. Okay. Curious because I
[3:27] believe it should come out of
beautififications and not out of the you
[3:31] know general fund.
Okay.
[3:34] » But thank you for doing that.
>> Yes.
[3:40] » I have two.
The first is um 66371.
[3:47] » Okay. Um and it's software and support
$18,000.
[3:53] Just wondering what that is.
>> That's for the DPW. It's their um uh
[3:59] their
their software that they have to help
[4:03] with the um the um
>> storm draining.
[4:07] » Yes. Yes. Thank you.
>> So that's the software that they use and
[4:11] that's how much it is.
>> Okay. Thank you. And then
[4:14] » Carl, just so you know, the state had a
mandate that you had to wall the storm
[4:18] drains once or twice a year or something
like that,
[4:20] » right?
>> Required to have this software in order
[4:22] to do it.
>> Okay. So it was my point was it was
[4:25] another unfunded mandate premisy.
>> Yeah. Do this but we're not going to pay
[4:30] for it.
>> Yep.
[4:31] » Um then secondly I saw it's our retainer
for our attorney and I just have a
[4:39] question about it.
>> Which number is that one?
[4:41] » Oh sorry 66317
township attorney retainer 6,250.
[4:47] » Oh yeah. Um, we got this memorandum
about the um, pickle ball situation.
[4:55] Does that um, is that a retainer cover
the cost of the memorandum or is that a
[5:02] separate?
>> Usually I I don't do that.
[5:04] » Okay. But it's still the same firm.
>> Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah, it's so
[5:10] like letters and memorandums are covered
by your retainer.
[5:14] » Okay. Um
legal is different. So there's a
[5:18] retainer like that covers those things
that covers the meeting but then there's
[5:22] like litigation that's separate.
>> Yes.
[5:24] » So this memorandum then was paid for
through this retain.
[5:28] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[5:29] » I don't even think I build for that yet.
>> That's just what I was just curious
[5:32] about how that was paid for. Thank you.
>> No problem.
[5:39] » Any other?
>> No.
[5:41] » Are you okay?
Good.
[5:46] » Okay. Mine were just a couple comments.
It looks like a lot of tires and repairs
[5:52] for DPW equipment. Anything to report
any accidents that occurred on the job
[5:58] or is it normal wear and tear? It's
>> some of it is some of it. Um I know that
[6:04] uh there were a couple of accidents but
not with the DPW trucks.
[6:11] » Uhhuh. So if anything's being repaired,
it's for the DPW personally. That's
[6:18] » wear and tear.
>> All normal, you say? Yes. Wear and tear.
[6:21] » Yes.
>> And we go to different vendors or it's
[6:23] always the same one or
>> It depends on what equipment they're
[6:27] looking for,
you know, like certain vehicles take
[6:32] only like they can only get certain
parts from a different vendor. So, it
[6:38] depends on what parts they're looking
for will depend on which vendor. And if
[6:43] it's over a certain amount of money,
they need to get several quotes unless
[6:46] it's a co-op,
>> right?
[6:50] Okay.
Then the other one was on 66472.
[6:57] That's for 744,000
to the MUA.
[7:02] So is that is is that a a sewage bill
that the the MUA is collecting from the
[7:09] people are using it and we're just the
the method of paying the uh or is this
[7:15] have to do with water? This is 66472.
[7:20] It says sewer usage fees 20 26.
[7:27] So Pat on MUA I guess collect some money
from the
[7:30] » that's that's the way I was you know I
didn't want to jump in on Tina's um but
[7:35] essentially when there is an agreement
that's arranged between the township and
[7:40] the MUA that we use um the address and
the uh and the followup and everything
[7:51] uh when these when the use when the
checks come in for payment it's then
[7:56] sent out, you know, uh, money's received
and then
[8:02] » we're just a intermediary process
>> with a flow through.
[8:05] » Okay.
>> Yeah. That's the that's the uh service
[8:08] agreement that I always
>> complain about because what happens is
[8:12] the MUA will tax the the rate the rate
payer. They collect the money, then they
[8:19] give it to the township. Then the
township has to send it to Skuma instead
[8:24] of right a direct interface between the
local MUA and Skuma, which is the
[8:28] county. But that that's the the way that
that agreement was
[8:32] » like that lost letter for four months.
Nobody knew where it was.
[8:34] » Exactly. Yes.
>> Bill, can I say one more thing about the
[8:39] wear and tear? So, um, it's normal wear
and tear plus it was six tires per truck
[8:45] for the 550s.
So that's why you're seeing that. So I
[8:48] guess they're updating all their
vehicles and stuff before the weather
[8:51] comes in.
>> Okay.
[8:52] » And they needed to replace the tires.
>> Okay.
[8:56] » Thank you. And on uh
66454,
[9:05] » a legal piece. And it says for Legends
Redevelopment.
[9:09] Is this Is this out of escrow?
>> It should be out of escrow. I've got to
[9:13] find that.
[9:23] 65 66 4 54
>> 66
[9:28] Hold on.
[9:35] » 54. Okay. Um
>> where? Let me see.
[9:40] » That's with Matt's. Yeah, that would be
Yeah, then Yeah, that was Yeah, that's
[9:43] with um Legendary.
>> Yeah, that would be um that would be um
[9:48] Matt Jessup.
>> So, that's actually
[9:52] is paying that.
>> That's correct.
[9:54] » Okay.
[9:57] » And uh
>> Yep.
[10:05] » Okay. That Yeah, the two were couples.
>> Okay. We just want to make sure it
[10:10] wasn't coming out of our pocket even
though we're paying it.
[10:16] That's it for me for any question any
others on the uh bills list?
[10:21] » No.
>> Consent agenda.
[10:24] » We have uh
one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
[10:30] nine. Oh, cow.
[10:37] 22 uh resolutions going from 26 233
to 26 254.
[10:46] And uh if anybody on the council wants
to pull any of those out to have a
[10:51] separate discussion, just let me know
before we vote on all them.
[11:18] Most
[11:25] self-explanatory, non-confrontational
[11:31] must go.
[11:42] I guess we'll pull out uh oh separate
discussion 26254
[11:46] which is authorizing the award of bid
for the AV project township council
[11:52] chambers. The motion and consent for
resolutions 26233
[11:58] to 26 253.
>> Right. Correct.
[12:04] I'll make that motion. Okay. Do we have
a second?
[12:07] » Second it.
And I guess we need a roll call on that.
[12:12] Roll call vote, please.
>> Yes.
[12:16] » Yes.
>> Council member Zudo.
[12:18] » Yes.
>> Council president.
[12:22] » Yes.
>> Have a motion to discuss resolution
[12:27] 26254.
[12:31] » Second.
>> Second. All
[12:34] » in favor? I. So 26254
deals with uh improving what we've been
[12:41] talking about for every meeting which is
the sound system, the AV system or the
[12:46] chambers. Correct, Tina?
>> Yes.
[12:48] » And if you could just tell us a little
bit about what we're getting, are we
[12:53] guaranteed that the people are going to
like it? Are we going to
[12:56] » hope so
>> charge $1,000 to reverse the screen and
[12:59] when we could do it? You know what
what's it all about? We we went through
[13:02] we went to bid once and there was a lot
of fatal errors so we had to go back out
[13:07] to bid. This was the second bid. Um we
had three companies come in. One was way
[13:13] over bid and the other one didn't have
all the proper paperwork and all they
[13:20] didn't meet all the specs and
everything. So that was fatal. So, this
[13:23] other company, Commercial Technology
Contractors, had everything that we put
[13:29] in our bid specs for here.
>> Uhhuh.
[13:32] » Um, and so they were and they're under
our our budget that you guys approved in
[13:37] the capital budget. So, we're going to
move forward with them. That also
[13:41] includes a maintenance fee. So, if we do
have any issues, we have a maintenance
[13:45] fee with them for two years. Um, so they
can, you know, once it's up and running,
[13:51] if something is incorrect or it's not
working, they'll come back out and
[13:56] either replace it or fix it.
>> So, can you tell us what was in that bit
[14:01] with TVs and cameras and
>> Yes.
[14:04] » Okay.
>> microphones. And
[14:06] » were we going to have a camera that's
going to be on the people speaking now
[14:10] rather than behind them looking at their
head?
[14:14] » I believe there was. I would have to go
back and look at that
[14:18] » cameras that they put in. Are they going
to be able to, you know, see the entire
[14:21] table?
>> Yes.
[14:23] » Yeah,
>> that was one of the
[14:24] » Yeah, that was one of the things that we
asked.
[14:26] » I think the clerk, too.
>> Let's see. May,
[14:31] » but I It's all new wiring.
>> Yes. All new wiring. Speakers are all
[14:36] new, you know, because a lot of that
static we think is coming from the old
[14:40] wiring and old speakers. Microphones are
going to be replaced. the TVs were
[14:45] getting a couple of bigger TVs. Um, and
everything was supposed to go right into
[14:51] like being able to record what needs to
be recorded and it was also um good for
[14:58] the courts because the courts needed
certain things that they needed for like
[15:04] um you know for any kind of trial and
everything. So our uh administrator was
[15:09] also included in in the sex for that.
Did the vendor offer an explanation of
[15:17] how it would work or was it just in
writing and and bid fit spec or
[15:22] » they they explain like what they've done
on other jobs and everything. Um they
[15:28] also came in and they did look I was I
showed probably at least five or six
[15:34] different companies,
you know, they came in to look. They
[15:38] asked questions. They looked at all our
old equipment that we had. And you know,
[15:43] with the new equipment, they, you know,
they explained it. Um, I can give you
[15:48] guys, which I don't have on me right
now, but I can send you the whole packet
[15:53] if you want to see the whole packet.
>> Yeah. We just don't want to spend money
[15:56] and then still have people complaining,
you know, because right now we got dead
[16:00] spots. You can't see somebody speaking.
Obviously, the microphones go out often.
[16:05] I know over at the board of ed when I
was on there, they went out and bought
[16:08] some very expensive microphones. They're
expensive, the multi-directional ones. I
[16:13] don't even think they're using them
right now. So, might be something for
[16:16] Carl to ask them if they're not using
them. And we can.
[16:19] » Who knows? They're
>> They're Oh, never.
[16:23] » It's not a bad idea.
>> Yeah, they're in their closet.
[16:26] » Yeah.
>> Um
[16:28] » the Oh,
>> I'm sorry. Go ahead.
[16:29] » Oh, no. I'm just The maintenance of um
the two-year ma um
[16:36] maintenance fee $15,000. What does that
maintenance include? Is it something
[16:42] they'll come out but we have to pay for
the part or
[16:45] » No, it's all included.
>> Meaning
[16:49] » meaning them coming out and if they have
to replace a part or if they can't fix
[16:52] it, it's included in the maintenance
fee.
[16:54] » Parts and labor.
>> Sometimes you wonder just calling them
[16:58] to fix it may be less than paying this
maintenance fee if they could come out
[17:03] for two years and everything's fine,
you know. Also is there a guar a
[17:08] warranty period
>> within that
[17:11] » that normally would pick up you know and
then the uh then the guar then the uh
[17:18] the maintenance would come after that.
Yeah, I don't know off hand.
[17:23] » It's possible.
>> They make money as long
[17:27] » because they're usually a manufacturer's
equipment warranty minimum of one year
[17:32] and then when they roll it together
they're combining their labor knowing
[17:36] that the parts are covered and then year
two if something breaks then you have to
[17:41] pay for the parts.
>> Um
[17:43] » might be worth getting a little details
on that. Might be able to save a couple
[17:47] bucks. It's uh is it something that's
scheduled to to work to start? If we
[17:52] approve this,
>> if you approve it, we would go ahead and
[17:55] we would move forward with getting it uh
scheduled to start.
[18:01] » If you want to think about it, we got to
table it. If you want to wait for more
[18:04] information,
>> do we have a time
[18:07] » as to when this would actually be done?
>> No.
[18:12] » So, if we approve it tonight, we don't
know when they would actually be
[18:16] installed. Yeah, I have to schedule it.
>> Yeah. I mean, we have this room gets
[18:21] used by
>> Yeah. A lot of people.
[18:22] » A lot of people. We have court twice a
month.
[18:25] » Yeah.
>> You know, we have MUA. We have So, they
[18:27] have to get in here
when we can get them in here.
[18:33] » Yeah.
>> So, I have a motion to table it until
[18:38] the next time.
>> Well, to get more information, if you
[18:41] want to look at the maintenance
agreement,
[18:43] » this this was a bid. you know, this this
went out and they have to follow the bid
[18:48] specs. So, you really
>> Yeah, you really can't cancel it if they
[18:52] were at the bid
>> because the maintenance the maintenance
[18:55] was part of the bid.
>> Okie dokie.
[18:57] » You're the maintenance fee was part of
the bid.
[19:01] » So, they were
>> because we wanted to make sure
[19:03] » you're
worried. we can
[19:07] » these this company, you know,
>> so if it's part of the bid,
[19:12] » they submitted everything they needed
for,
[19:14] » you'd have to take you'd have to go back
out to business without the um
[19:18] maintenance.
>> Yeah. You can't take that out without
[19:21] rebidding it.
>> Yeah. The way it was done,
[19:25] » we already went out twice to bid.
>> Yeah. So if I believe if
[19:29] » we just have to go with this that no
other option
[19:33] » we had three other biders and
>> yeah the other the other option is is
[19:36] you basically would kill the that bid
you have to go back out to bid.
[19:43] » Okay
earlier so we could I mean if it's a go
[19:49] there's nothing we can do about it then.
[19:54] » Am I right?
>> Yeah. just on process and procedure. The
[19:57] question was can we get information
before it gets to this point in future
[20:03] bids there may for example there's a
discussion on something that DPW is
[20:10] interested in buying right for the top
of the cars and everything that's a
[20:15] discussion item and it's it should be in
my opinion a discussion not here it is
[20:21] and let's go for it because we really
don't know much about it and the person
[20:26] that wants it might be able to use it
here.
[20:30] This these are legitimate questions.
We've had some questions on uh
[20:34] maintenance in the past when the
elevator situation came up and it was a
[20:38] $75,000 payment or whatever and then the
answer was very expensive to fix
[20:43] » an elevator and we didn't have a
maintenance agreement but if we did it
[20:47] would just involve the company to come
out and then time and materials after
[20:52] that. So that maintenance agreement was
more of a response agreement than not
[20:57] covering the cost of doing the work.
There are different types of maintenance
[21:00] agreements. So uh
>> So if you're asking to look at every bid
[21:06] before we go out to bid, is that what
you're asking?
[21:09] » Not every bid. I guess it would be a uh
if it's brought up or uh
[21:15] » Yeah, we should know in advance because
we don't have an opportunity. You're
[21:19] asking us to vote on it, but we This is
the first I've heard of, you know,
[21:24] specifics,
pricing
[21:29] » when our QPA puts bids out.
>> No, I get the process.
[21:33] » Time frame. I know. If you want to look
at certain bids, you have you have to
[21:38] let us know because there
>> Yeah, but we didn't even know this
[21:41] existed yet.
>> Well, you knew we were going out for bid
[21:44] » eventually. No,
>> we we we voted
[21:48] » to reject all bids before. So at that
point in time, we were told it was going
[21:52] out to bid again.
>> I think it was two months ago. I think
[21:56] we voted to reject all bids.
>> Yes.
[21:58] » Y
>> because I asked about I said I see we
[22:02] have to reject all bids for the AV
project. Are we still moving forward
[22:06] with it? And at that point in time, I
think the mayor said, yes, we are going
[22:09] out to bid again. It's not dead. It's
just that they had all the bids that
[22:13] came in were fatal.
>> Right.
[22:16] Well, we wouldn't have known. You're
right. Checked, but we don't have any
[22:22] specific information about each one of
the bids.
[22:25] » If you asked for the the bid specs at
that point, I would have sent them to
[22:29] you. Nobody Nobody asked for them.
>> I guess I wasn't sure of the complete
[22:35] process, but now we can talk about it.
>> We do the bids the same way all the
[22:39] time. If you want the bids
>> Yeah, but I didn't know the process. I'm
[22:43] sorry. bid specs. I will send them to
you. But what I'm saying is you can't
[22:48] wait from meeting to meeting to discuss
all the bids because there's a process
[22:54] with our QPA.
>> Yeah. But what about before it comes to
[22:58] us here?
>> So that these are the bids and this
[23:02] these are the terms. So we could just
look at it. That's all
[23:05] » on the internet.
>> Yes.
[23:06] » On the website. They're public bids.
>> I advertise. And you advertise them on
[23:11] the town's website,
>> sir.
[23:13] » Okay. So, that's where all the bids are
on the town's website
[23:17] » as they come in
>> and through bid and so on.
[23:20] » So, we'll have to just watch the website
to see what bids are coming in.
[23:23] » Well, you can't see them coming in
because they're sealed bids.
[23:26] » So, what happens is a a bid a bid goes
out. There's specifications in the bid
[23:31] as to what's in it
and and that's what the people respond
[23:36] to and they say, "Okay, I can do A for
$5, whatever." And it goes down the
[23:42] line. They total that up. That's their
number. Company A, B, and C does that.
[23:47] It goes back to the the the uh town, the
QPA. They review it. They do a
[23:52] recommendation based upon either
experience or based upon um some other
[23:58] criteria and then they do
recommendations and usually that's what
[24:02] you see. um is a recommendation as you
saw in this resolution what the bid was
[24:08] why they recommending the the
administration is recommending
[24:13] v vendor A over vendor C or D based upon
maybe some problems that they've had in
[24:18] the future or um some maybe some entity
gave a better
[24:24] price.
>> Okay, but how would I know all because
[24:29] this is the first I mean Bill had
questions about it. We all have
[24:32] questions about it. How does
>> No, you just asked you just asked about
[24:35] the bid. So, all the bids go out.
>> It's a raw document that says this is
[24:41] what we're looking for. These are the
specifications. If you're interested,
[24:45] please give us how much you would charge
us and then they give that and then
[24:50] that's reviewed.
>> And that's another big do a big document
[24:54] that if you go on the if you go on a um
a bid, there's spaces and they put the
[25:00] numbers in. Um, do the do is that posted
up there, the response or is just the
[25:05] bid?
>> Just the bid. The bid the results can't
[25:09] be posted.
>> The results can't be
[25:10] » until after they're open. They are
posted after they're open. I don't know
[25:13] if they're posted on our website, but
they are.
[25:15] » Yeah, I don't post them. a lot of
municipalities do post the results on
[25:18] their
>> So, I guess if you see a bid and you're
[25:21] interested in it, um once once they're
opened and reviewed and the
[25:25] recommendation is given, um I I guess I
would contact the um the administrator
[25:32] or maybe at one of the meetings when
that specific resolution to approve
[25:38] a bid, you know, that information can be
supplied with with the packet.
[25:43] » Yeah, maybe that should be the process
then. I
[25:46] » so we would have had those details. I
mean, we get our
[25:50] a few days before the meeting at least
we could read the details.
[25:54] » But the problem is is once we tell our
QPA we're going out for bid for whatever
[26:00] and he draws up the specs, we have a
certain amount of time to post it and
[26:05] allow people to respond to it. Once the
response is up and done after that time
[26:11] and he opens that bid, we we can't
change the specs unless you totally just
[26:18] deny it or like don't approve it at a
meeting and then we have to rego out
[26:23] back out to bid on something.
>> Okay. So, maybe give us the packet.
[26:28] Maybe we'll see something that's not
right in it, but we'll know what we're
[26:31] voting on. And if something, you know,
if it has to go out to bed, it's again,
[26:36] it does.
>> You emailed me and asked me for it. I
[26:39] would have sent it to you. I, you know,
that's why I give you your packet so
[26:43] early.
>> Here's a possible here's a possible
[26:47] solution.
>> Friday works over the weekend.
[26:50] » I don't see every bid either. It depends
on what bid it is. some bids um our
[26:55] engineer sends out, some our QPA sends
out, you know, I
[27:01] » So, Marcy,
>> as much as I can.
[27:03] » When I read this, the recommendation for
this contract um of 107,000, that's the
[27:10] recommendation of the QPA to go with
that bid over the other two
[27:15] » when the bids come in.
>> Yeah. Whichever bid is the lowest, most
[27:20] advantageous, and meets the bid criter,
that's the one that wins the bid.
[27:27] » Yeah.
>> If the QPA sees something wrong with the
[27:29] bid that's was sent in, then that bid
fails.
[27:33] » Yeah. I mean, that makes sense. I'm just
curious who makes that final
[27:37] determination because we vote on it, but
the resolution was drawn up
[27:41] » on um your expertise from your QPA. So
the QPA makes the recommend. Yeah.
[27:47] » Okay. And that that makes sense. But
what I think Sandy is asking is when we
[27:52] get these bids in there,
>> it's already complete when when
[27:59] » All right, that's fine.
>> This res the bid is done.
[28:03] » Yes. But once when the QPA is making
that determination of which one to go
[28:08] with,
we don't see the bids that the QPA is
[28:12] making the determination on. Nope. He
doesn't see them until the bid opening
[28:17] day.
>> Yeah.
[28:18] » At the time the bids can be open.
>> And then he reviews it and then he comes
[28:23] back with a conclusion saying, "Okay,
this this company is fatal. They didn't
[28:27] have everything. This company had
everything but they were way over your
[28:31] budget."
>> Yeah.
[28:32] » And then but this company had
everything. Had all the correct people,
[28:37] everything. And then the price.
>> And we're just curious about the
[28:40] process.
>> We have to trust our professional. And
[28:43] the other thing is is you have you have
to go at the lowest.
[28:45] » We don't want to I want to know what I'm
voting on. So maybe
[28:48] » what is the actual work being done
>> when you do this? If you say, "Oh,
[28:53] they're going to vote tonight on this.
Let me give them as much information."
[28:56] Not that we're going to vote it down,
but we'll know what's going on and what
[29:00] it includes
just so we're more informed.
[29:04] It's not to say yes, we want something,
no, we'll pull it pull it, but to be
[29:09] educated on what we're voting. So when
you see a resolution,
[29:13] » all the bids that you know that are on,
I'll I'll give them to you. That's not a
[29:18] problem. I never asked.
>> All right. Well, I didn't know the
[29:22] process. Now I know. And that's how we
can determine processes.
[29:26] » So just when you see that, supply as
much information as you can, so we're
[29:30] educated. Okay.
>> Somebody from the public asked me about
[29:33] it. I shove my shoulders. I don't know.
But oh, you voted on it.
[29:37] » You just let me know, Sandy. I I will
send it out to you. Like I said, you get
[29:42] your packets early if you want anything.
Anything.
[29:46] » Yeah. But what happens is it's over the
weekend. Um
[29:50] so
>> laptop home. I I
[29:53] » don't want to bother you on a weekend.
>> If I can do it, I'll do it.
[29:56] » Okay.
>> No problem.
[29:58] » All right. Thank you.
>> Question for Peter.
[30:02] » We had the consent agenda.
>> Yes.
[30:04] » I did not pull out 26 246.
have a separate 246.
[30:11] » Yes. Motion.
>> Yep.
[30:13] » Oh, is that um
>> device?
[30:16] » Yeah, we wanted to talk about that.
>> So, do a motion to reconsider resolution
[30:20] 26246.
>> Okay. Motion to reconsider resolution
[30:24] 2624.
>> One thing at a time
[30:29] 654 that was bid for the AD um Yes,
that's in the courtroom.
[30:36] » I'll make the motion.
We have a second for 20 second.
[30:43] » Motion approved. And we have roll call.
Roll call.
[30:46] » Council member Canino.
>> Yes.
[30:49] » Council member Ols.
>> Yes.
[30:50] » Council member Rudo.
>> All right.
[30:53] » Council member Sparta.
>> Yes.
[30:56] » Council President Higgins.
>> Yes.
[30:57] » Motion carries.
>> Okay. make a resolution to for
[31:05] » make resolution 26246.
>> Have a separate discussion on that. Do
[31:10] we have a uh
>> motion to rec?
[31:13] » Second.
>> First motion.
[31:16] » All in favor?
>> I I
[31:18] » I'm sorry. Who made the motion?
>> I'll motion to reconsider.
[31:22] » Okay. Thank you.
So 26246, Tina,
[31:28] and and I don't know how this happened,
but it's kind of an answer to our last
[31:34] question. I received a an email from the
department that was ordering this, which
[31:40] was in my opinion a great idea because
wanted me to know what was what was in
[31:46] the resolution because it was important
to that department. And and what
[31:50] resolution 246 is is a new product from
Massachusetts and it's a device that
[31:57] sits on the top of a vehicle and then
all the software reads the signs, reads
[32:03] the roads, reads the guard rails and
maps your whole town as you drive around
[32:08] and it gives you the option of planning
for future needs. You might have a
[32:13] pothole, you might have a fence down.
So, it's a lot to it, right? And it's a
[32:18] company in Massachusetts that has has a
patent on it. It's their product. And I
[32:22] believe the cost of the device on the
roof is like $24,000 or so. And then
[32:27] there's a twoyear two year 13 $15,000
cost to it. So something like this is
[32:36] out of the ordinary should have
discussion. It should probably have the
[32:40] department head here to explain why it
was important to him and uh what it can
[32:46] do for the town. It's unique and the
paperwork that was attached that's in
[32:51] our paperwork as well shows that uh they
continue they will own it. If it breaks
[32:58] they give us one immediately to replace
the hardware but it's theirs and we're
[33:03] actually signing their agreement. You
know when they do business with us they
[33:07] sign ours. So, it went through our
purchasing director, but it's a very
[33:11] unique thing that is different from
everything else. It's not anything the
[33:15] town's ever done before. Could be
significant. And uh, you know, I I
[33:20] forgot to pull it out because it I would
like to just table that to get somebody
[33:26] here to tell us the real value and what
it can do for us over time. might have a
[33:31] significant advantage of being able to
plan for road development and fences and
[33:36] potholes and you name it or trees or
overhanging uh lines could show all of
[33:42] that just by simply driving the car down
the street and it captures all that
[33:47] information. Pretty cool. I It's
something that's uh really nice. Like to
[33:53] know a little bit more about it. That's
all.
[33:56] » That's why I pulled it out.
>> I would make a motion to table this. I'd
[34:00] like to see a little demonstration on it
or look online. Yeah, maybe I can see a
[34:06] demo.
>> Do we have a second?
[34:10] » Second.
>> I'll second it.
[34:13] » Second.
>> Roll call vote, please.
[34:16] » Sorry, what was it for? To table.
>> It was for tableabling that.
[34:19] » Who made the motion?
>> I did.
[34:22] » Sandy did. Carl second.
[34:27] » Council member Canino. This is the
table, right?
[34:30] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[34:31] » Council member Ols.
>> Yes.
[34:33] » Council member Rudo.
>> Yeah, I'll go along.
[34:37] » I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.
>> Yes.
[34:40] » Council member Sparta.
>> Yes.
[34:42] » Council President Higgins.
>> Yes.
[34:44] » Motion carries.
[34:51] » Introduction number nine. Introduction
of ordinances.
[34:56] Ordinance 2617, an ordinance amending
50-9 fees and escos at a Vernon Township
[35:04] administrative code. May I have a motion
to introduce ordinance
[35:09] » 2617?
>> Excuse me.
[35:12] » Yes, sir. Before we introduce it, um, at
a previous meeting, the the gazebo was
[35:20] the title or not, the name for the
gazebo was changed to the Vietnam
[35:26] Veterans Memorial Pavilion.
>> Is it possible that we could
[35:32] change the title the uh the comment on
this to that so we vote on it rather
[35:38] than have to make
decisions later on?
[35:46] any that we did vote to name it the
Vietnam veterans.
[35:50] » Isn't this an ordinance for fees?
>> Yeah, this is for
[35:54] » fees and escros.
>> So, does does it have anything to do
[35:57] with a gazebo?
>> Well, yeah. It's that's the name of the
[36:01] facility.
>> Yeah. So, maybe he went instead of use
[36:05] of community gazebo, he you might want
the name of the gazebo spelled out.
[36:10] » Yeah. Vietnam Veterans Memorial. Okay.
>> This has nothing to do with the name.
[36:14] This is an ordinance for the police to
use the gazebo.
[36:18] » If you want to vote to change the name
of the gazebo, that's
[36:21] » We already did.
>> We did. So, he's just saying replace it.
[36:24] » Change the name that you named it
different. That has nothing to do with
[36:28] this ordinance. This is for the fees to
use gazebo.
[36:33] » Why can't we change it now? Because it's
only going to come back. Why don't we
[36:37] just do it one shot and get done be done
with it?
[36:40] » Have any this ordinance is can you vote
on this first and then vote to change?
[36:46] » But he's not he's not asking to change
the name of the gazebo. What he's asking
[36:50] is a set of use of community gazebo have
as use as a Vietnam veterans. That's
[36:56] what he's asking.
>> That's he wants it referred to.
[36:59] » Well, no, this is
>> that's the name of it. No, let
[37:03] the title for this is inappropriate,
okay? Because we changed that name, but
[37:12] it was just came out to community
gazebo. We don't have a community
[37:17] gazebo. We have a Vietnam veterans
memorial
[37:21] pavilion. I
>> I understand I understand what you're
[37:23] saying.
>> Yeah, it just wants to change the name
[37:25] there.
>> That's it. from Kazebo
[37:29] to what the formal name is as it reads
>> in the code and on the ordinance
[37:35] » resolution to name the
>> gazebo
[37:38] » gazebo
>> change the wording of this ordinance we
[37:42] just have to amend the the ordinance as
introduced
[37:45] » it would be administrative
>> right
[37:47] » right
>> so you would just it would be a motion
[37:49] to amend uh the use of community gazo to
the use of the Vietnam veterans Memorial
[37:56] Pavilion.
>> Pavilion.
[37:58] » Yeah.
>> Um, just question. We don't currently
[38:01] charge people to use the gazebo.
>> You don't haven't had a yet.
[38:06] » Oh, dog. I'm sorry.
>> I got If we didn't have this in place
[38:12] and if someone was not renting out the
gazebo, then they would be able to go up
[38:17] and use it without paying for it. Right.
So essentially what you're doing is is
[38:21] you're not allowing people to use it
>> for like
[38:25] » unless they pay for it. But but people
can probably go up there and sit, but if
[38:28] they're going to have a party,
>> but if you're going to have
[38:32] » you're not going to an order where the
recreation department eats keep order
[38:38] and you have
two different venues that want to use it
[38:42] at the same time, this is going to keep
order.
[38:46] And also if somebody's going to use it
for
[38:49] » a party or party or something.
>> But that's where I get confused because
[38:52] if I take for instance I grew up by way
onto state park. If you wanted to have a
[38:58] your birthday party down there, you
would just go to the gazebo and have
[39:03] your
>> Yeah. And but how do you enforce it?
[39:06] Because people can just walk up and go
to the gazebo if they're not renting it.
[39:10] If someone wants
>> more for like events.
[39:13] » Yeah. So, or events
>> like people will probably go there and
[39:16] have their lunch, maybe walk down there.
>> I just feel like this would be
[39:20] » calendar. I mean,
>> and what what you don't want is you
[39:23] don't want big groups down there because
then you're going to have
[39:26] » I no I totally stand from having big
groups down there.
[39:30] » I I guess it would have to be the the
people who enforce the ordinances with
[39:34] police and or uh employees.
>> Yes.
[39:38] » Lots of questions about this. I have a
lot of questions also. I don't know if
[39:43] you want to discuss it now.
>> Well, no, normally we don't. That's why
[39:46] I I wanted to do this before just to
change to find out if we could change
[39:51] the name as the next this will be the
introduction and then the the uh at the
[39:59] next meeting when we vote on it is when
you would normally uh have may comment
[40:04] on it.
>> I I just I don't understand how we would
[40:07] really enforce this. Well, it's the same
thing when people want to use the park.
[40:12] Um, Michelle in recreation has a
schedule
[40:17] » and they go through her, they go through
the recreation department. It's It just
[40:21] keeps order.
>> I know. I just It seems kind of
[40:27] This idea I just think is a little bit
I'd like to see it more fleshed out,
[40:32] more detailed before I vote on it. It's
like $100 for residents, $200 for
[40:38] non-residents.
You need to have someone enforcing that
[40:42] pretty thoroughly. And where do you draw
the line between a family going there to
[40:47] have a barbecue and someone using it for
an actual event that we could charge
[40:53] them?
>> No, I I understand that, but how would
[40:57] you how would people understand when
they have to apply and when they don't?
[41:01] It just
>> That's our ordinance. I I I don't know.
[41:04] » I know. I'm I'm more so just know I
don't
[41:09] » But Tina, I have a question about the
liability.
[41:13] So I know like in the lake communities
for their clubhouse, if somebody wants
[41:18] to rent it, they have to show up with
their own insurance.
[41:23] » So that's and that's the same thing. If
somebody uses our um senior center,
[41:28] » they have to have their own insurance.
>> They what? They have to have their own
[41:32] insurance also if they use our senior
center.
[41:35] » So for the gazebo they'd have to And
what about alcohol use and all and
[41:40] enforcing some of the stuff? That's
where my
[41:43] » alcohol use and no alcohol use at the
park.
[41:47] » But is somebody going to monitor it?
Enforce it. I mean, we can make all the
[41:51] rules we want, but if they're not
enforced,
[41:54] » well, nobody's going to be standing
guard for the party
[41:58] » unless you want to adjust the um add
money to the budget. You could hire
[42:02] full-time people. You could enforce you
can enforce everything. You just need
[42:06] the money. Unfortunately, what what we
do and most municipalities do the the
[42:11] police enforce ordinances, but it's
usually
[42:14] » based it's it's reactive instead of
proactive. So, someone someone will be
[42:20] at the park and complain that there's a
bunch of hooligans, if I can use that
[42:24] word, hooligans, you know, creating
mayhem there. They'll call the police.
[42:29] The police will go down there. They'll
say, "What are you doing?" They'll have
[42:32] barbecue pits in the pavilion. There's
probably going to be scorch marks up on
[42:36] the top of it. The police will issue
them a violation under this ordinance
[42:40] because they didn't get a permit.
>> And unfortunately, that's how you do it.
[42:44] If you wanted someone down there all the
time, you'd have to get hire someone and
[42:49] then that would be cost prohibitive. So,
it's really a reactive
[42:53] » pay for in with the fee. But anyway, my
concern is the liability. That's all. If
[42:59] something happens, they're drinking,
somebody gets hurt, something, anything.
[43:04] I'm just concerned about the liability.
And that's part of why you you want this
[43:08] fee because when they have to pay the
fee, usually there's a form that they
[43:11] fill out as what they can't do and they
hold the the municipality harmless. Oh,
[43:17] a deposit. Get it back at the end.
Maybe something like that.
[43:23] They have to leave a deposit.
>> Well, they're paying to rent it,
[43:27] » right? But you can pay to rent it, but
also hold on to a deposit. And if they
[43:33] check out, it's clean, nothing's broken,
they get their deposit back.
[43:37] » They do that, too.
>> I mean, that is a normal thing. I mean,
[43:40] you rent a Airbnb, anything, a you
paying a deposit, but you get it back
[43:47] and then that's you'll make you more
likely to follow the rules. Um,
[43:54] and
>> irrespective of the gazebo world war,
[43:59] um, what are we naming it? I'm sorry,
Pat.
[44:02] » Pavilion.
>> Pavilion.
[44:03] » Usually you do both,
>> right? The fee the fee would be for any
[44:06] administrative costs and the deposit
would be given back as long as if the
[44:11] rules are that take out the garbage if
they can't leave burning um
[44:15] » no scorch on the top like you just told
me. That will happen and hooligans and
[44:20] all of that.
>> It could happen.
[44:22] » Could happen. So maybe that's an idea.
Just saying.
[44:28] You want do we have a motion to change
the uh wording for on number three on
[44:35] 26-17 ordinance
>> use of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial
[44:40] Pavilion instead of saying use of
community gazebo. I'll make that motion.
[44:45] I have a second.
>> I'll second it.
[44:48] » Wasn't pavilion though. It was Can you
repeat it? Um Council Member Rudo,
[44:53] » sorry. What is the name of the
>> Vietnam Veterans Memorial Pavilion?
[45:01] » Okay, thank you.
[45:08] » That a roll call or uh it'll be a roll
call. Roll call.
[45:13] » Council member Canino?
>> Yes.
[45:15] » Council member Ols.
>> Yes.
[45:17] » Council member Rudo.
>> Yes.
[45:19] » Council member Sp.
>> Yes.
[45:21] » President Higgins.
>> Yes. Motion carries.
[45:25] » Okay. Now we'll go back to the actual
ordinance itself.
[45:29] And do we have a motion to approve
ordinance 26 17
[45:33] » introduce
>> with the changes?
[45:38] » So moved
>> as an introduction.
[45:40] » Yeah. Introduction ordinance is 2617.
>> I'll make that motion.
[45:44] » I moved it. Oh,
>> sir. Second.
[45:47] » Mr. Rudo.
>> Roll call. Council
[45:50] » member Canino.
>> No. Council member Ols.
[45:54] » Well, if we make some changes, I mean,
we're still going to charge that, but if
[45:59] anybody want to change it to require a
deposit or something like that,
[46:04] » just for introduction.
>> Yes.
[46:06] » Well,
>> make sure.
[46:08] » All right. So, no.
>> My vote is no.
[46:13] » Council member Rudo,
>> yes.
[46:17] » Council member Sparta,
>> yes.
[46:19] » Council President Higgins,
>> yes. Motion carries.
[46:24] » Ordinance 2618, an ordinance amending
chapter 99, vehicles and traffic of the
[46:31] Vernon Township Administrative Cove.
This is for introduction. May I have a
[46:37] motion to introduce 26-8?
[46:42] So moved.
Have a second.
[46:47] Second.
[46:51] Roll call.
>> Member
[46:53] » Canino.
>> Yes.
[46:55] » Yes. Member.
>> Yes.
[46:59] » Yes.
>> Yes.
[47:01] » Motion carries.
>> The public's turn. Public comment.
[47:06] Please note public comments are limited
to five minutes per person. Anyone
[47:10] wishing to speak, state their name for
the record.
[47:14] » Do we have a motion to open it to the
public? Five minutes.
[47:18] moved.
>> Second.
[47:21] » All in favor?
>> I oppose.
[47:24] » Open to public. Gary, state your name,
please.
[47:27] » My name is Christy Gary and I live in
Vernon. I'm just uh speaking because I
[47:33] was going around talking to different
people while I was uh getting people to
[47:38] sign my petition. I've been quite
successful and I was listening to their
[47:42] voices. They're very unhappy with the
taxes. They are unhappy with the new
[47:47] apartments that have been built
and that are continuing to be built.
[47:54] They want to Vernon to rem remain rural
and they don't like the appearance of
[47:59] these apartments either. They feel like
they don't fit in into our rural
[48:03] community.
And uh
[48:07] I just want to say too that after a
petition went around and signed and was
[48:13] signed against a pilot program by
thousands of Vernon citizens, the town's
[48:20] lawyer looked for a loophole and found
one which negated the petition
[48:25] and silenced the voice of the people. If
our elected officials cared about what
[48:31] was in the best interest of the people,
they would have honored that petition.
[48:37] I'm speaking for voices of the people in
town.
[48:42] This is just one of the reasons why we
believe we want to change our present
[48:45] form of government. We want the town to
be ruled in a fair, equitable way, which
[48:51] is always in the best interests of the
people and not just in the best
[48:56] interests of those who govern us.
[49:01] I am part of a group of concerned
citizens and I am very proud that I and
[49:06] others are trying to write the wrongs of
those in power in spite of criticism
[49:11] from those who are doing nothing to
improve matters. Our main interest and
[49:17] goal is that the people of Vernon get
treated fairly and equitably
[49:24] and that their voices are heard. We
intend to get our petition put on the
[49:29] ballot and to give the citizens of
Vernon a choice on how we will move
[49:34] forward in the future. We also believe
that justice is on our side and with
[49:39] your help, citizens of Vernon, we will
prevail. One final thought is we must
[49:47] stop dividing ourselves and we need to
stand together in this town.
[49:53] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[49:57] » Anyone else?
[50:01] Seeing no one coming forward. Have a
motion to close the post.
[50:05] » Moved. Second.
>> All in favor? Drive
[50:12] » council comments.
>> Start with Carl at the end, work our way
[50:16] up.
>> So, I am extremely concerned with a
[50:22] development that I heard about this past
week in regards to the pickle ball court
[50:28] that we discussed at our last meeting.
So, at our last meeting, the mayor
[50:33] mentioned um constructing a pickle ball
court near the pump track that was built
[50:38] years ago, and he discussed paying for
it with a bond, and it was vetted by the
[50:45] council, and it was pretty obvious that
the council was not really comfortable
[50:49] with the idea and wanted to explore
other things that could be done with
[50:54] that money. Um, I have an email in front
of me that I requested that was sent to
[51:00] me from our mayor to the town engineer
dated the 12th of um, I'm sorry, the 20
[51:08] sorry, yeah, the 12th of July. Thank
Corey, please proceed with the pickle
[51:13] ball courts possibility, a multi-use
court as well as a resting shade area.
[51:18] Michelle can head this up with you on
details or whatever she feels would be
[51:23] in Vernon's best interest. I would like
to break ground as soon as possible.
[51:29] Then after a memorandum was sent,
there's another email sent on the 22nd
[51:35] of um of July. Hi, I don't think the
question was can the mayor just build it
[51:41] without council approval. The council
will need to approve and award the bid
[51:46] or contract. The question, if I'm not
mistaken, was can we use the money from
[51:51] the pump track or open space? Unless
this request came from someone else
[51:56] else. If this can be cleaned up,
removing the mayor from just building it
[52:00] without council approval would be more
sufficient. Thanks.
[52:05] » That's from the mayor.
>> Wow.
[52:08] » And that was sent to the BA. So, what
are we doing? We as a council
[52:15] expressed that we're not comfortable
with it when we discussed it during his
[52:19] mayor's comments. Then after that, he's
directing the engineer to proceed with
[52:25] the pickle ball courts. And then after a
memorandum was sent telling him, yes,
[52:30] you can use that bond money for the
pickle ball courts, he follows up by
[52:34] saying the council will need to approve
the bidder contract. So now we spent
[52:39] money on the engineer and I found out
it's in the retainer to do the
[52:44] memorandum, but we're spending money on
the pickle ball court already when the
[52:50] council expressed we're not comfortable
and he acknowledges that we would have
[52:55] to approve the contract. What is this?
This is a mess and we're spending money.
[53:02] That's what I'm really mad about is that
we're spending money with the engineer
[53:08] on these pickle ball courts that we
express we're not comfortable with. We
[53:12] haven't discussed other ways to use that
bond money. We could pay down other
[53:17] bonds with it. We could look into other
projects. There are million things that
[53:22] we could do if we can use that money for
a pickle ball court.
[53:26] Why is he making that determination on
his own and then expecting us to be
[53:31] dragged along with it? I'm really mad
about that. And this is a recurring
[53:36] pattern. It's the same thing that
happened with the trash compactor. It's
[53:40] kind of the same thing that happened
with Burger Road. He's spending money
[53:46] that we technically have a say over
whether or not he can spend. We have to
[53:51] do something to prevent this from
happening over and over and over again.
[53:56] There are options that we can explore.
Voting on purchase orders, voting on the
[54:00] bills list. There are so many things
that we could do to prevent him from
[54:05] continuing to do this because it's
unacceptable.
[54:09] We did not want that money being spent
on that project. We would have to vote
[54:15] to approve the contract and he's already
spending money on it. That's not okay.
[54:22] Very annoyed by it.
[54:27] » Mr. Azuro,
I have no comment.
[54:33] » Um, well, I'm in agreement with Carl. I
mean, this is how we go through the
[54:37] money. You say you got to control the
money. Our job is the money.
[54:42] A lot of things we want to change, do,
oh, well, you can't do it. That's the
[54:46] mayor's job. Well, the money is our job.
So, we really have to be conscientious
[54:51] of how that money is going to be spent.
And Carl's 100% right. He's spending
[54:57] money on doing a title search on
somebody else's property. He's spending
[55:03] money on this pickle ball that,
you know, it might no one might vote for
[55:08] it to go through.
And there's been other instances.
[55:14] So, we really need to re in the
spending. And that's one way to do it.
[55:19] Not spend all this money and then it
comes to vote. No. So you something has
[55:24] to be done about that. It's taxpayers
money and it's being dwindled away.
[55:29] Though I do agree with Carl and I would
think most of you guys would probably
[55:34] agree with the same thing. Um but then
on a different note, I think we um I'm
[55:40] throwing this out there. You may all
say, "No, this is a bad idea." But I
[55:45] think at every meeting going forward, we
should take just a few minutes out to
[55:50] discuss what we're going to do to try to
save money, reduce spending so we don't
[55:55] have a big tax hike
come budget time. We talk about the
[56:01] budget only during budget time. We need
to start preparing for that next budget.
[56:06] And I think as a group, we should open
it up for discussion just a few minutes
[56:11] at every council meeting. Maybe Patty's
come up with something. Maybe Tina's
[56:15] come up with a money-saving idea
and it needs to be discussed. So, we're
[56:21] not just doing it a few days before the
budget's due. We're working now to
[56:26] reduce the budget for 2027.
That's just a thought.
[56:31] » Good point.
>> So, maybe chew on that and see what we
[56:34] can do with that. subcommittee council
president. You can get to your council
[56:39] the creative subcommittee and then bring
those savings ideas that
[56:44] » yeah I know Patty as a new CFO announced
to all of us that she's going to start
[56:49] her budget process in September you know
her first time. So, the timing for that
[56:54] would be uh
>> pretty. We should like looking at the
[56:59] car leases. There's a lot of things we
can look at.
[57:02] » Um and purchase orders is a great idea
also. We should be doing that.
[57:07] » Still, I don't go time, Sandy.
>> No, no, I'm done.
[57:12] » There's a lot of things I think we could
do in adjusting the code, adjusting ways
[57:16] that we approve these purchases that
would help prevent situations like this
[57:22] from coming again. I think doing a
subcommittee would be a really good way
[57:26] to discuss those ideas and to make
proposals as to what we can change
[57:32] because I mean I can think of three or
four things off the top of my head that
[57:37] we could do to prevent situations like
this from happening again. It it just
[57:41] makes me sick that like it's such a
perversion of the way things are
[57:47] supposed to be done. We I remember you,
Pat, Sandy, myself, we all were not
[57:52] comfortable with this idea and we wanted
to explore other ideas
[57:57] and yet we're already spending money on
this pickle ball court. I just feel like
[58:02] this is not something that we can let
keep happening. It's like banging my
[58:06] head on a wall.
>> Okay. So, do we have a motion to form a
[58:10] subcommittee?
>> You just as the council president, you
[58:13] can just form it. You mean ask for
volunteers and you can point that?
[58:18] » Yeah, without voting on
>> I would like to be on it at that.
[58:21] » Yeah, you would. Sandy interested
>> possibly. Possibly.
[58:27] » Okay,
>> Brad, any interest?
[58:29] » I know some people that would be
interested in joining.
[58:32] » Well, it's the subcommittee is a
subcommittee of the council, so you
[58:36] can't have it's only open to the five of
you.
[58:40] » Oh, okay.
All right. Let me think about it. Okay.
[58:44] » You know, I'll talk whether I'm on a
committee or not
[58:47] » about it.
>> Think about it.
[58:48] » Okay.
Good.
[58:53] » Okay. And your comments or is over to
Brad.
[58:57] » Um, kind of building on what Sandy said,
too. I I think I think when Patty was
[59:03] hired, I could be mistaken. It might
have been when Dell was here. I did ask
[59:07] if we could kind of get a year to date
on the budget so that way we knew where
[59:11] we were going forward and also as we get
close to the end of the year as to
[59:16] what's encumbered. A lot of times you
encumber the health and benefits and
[59:19] stuff like that at a quarter and so on
and so forth. That way at least we can
[59:23] have some sort of idea where we're at
with um surplus and what we're looking
[59:28] at for the following year. So uh we are
twothirds of the way through the year
[59:34] already. you know, we haven't had any
type of update as to where we're at.
[59:38] Granted, we've only had a budget for
>> three months,
[59:42] » four months. Yeah.
>> Is May, right?
[59:43] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, um if there's some way we can
[59:46] kind of and you know, it's something I
think we should be receiving
[59:51] um
monthly uh as to where we're at and then
[59:56] that way if we see anything that's
glaring, we can bring it up during a
[59:59] meeting and discuss it at that point.
Then,
[1:00:01] » are you talking about the admins report?
There's admin's report that shows the
[1:00:06] line items and then what's been
encumbered and what's left.
[1:00:09] » Yeah,
>> something like that.
[1:00:11] » Yeah.
>> So, Tina, like know the admins report.
[1:00:13] That's probably the easiest way to do
it. Most definitely.
[1:00:15] » And that would give us an idea too as to
what what line items we have potential
[1:00:21] under budget in and what potential line
items are under or have been underfunded
[1:00:27] where transfers are going to happen
>> because we're getting actually to the
[1:00:30] time of year where we're going to start
seeing a lot of transfers. And it's nice
[1:00:33] to know ahead of time where they
potentially could be coming from and
[1:00:36] where they're going to.
>> Okay. I'll talk to her tomorrow. She was
[1:00:41] out today.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:00:48] Anything else, Bren? Okay.
>> I can't believe
[1:00:54] » one to address Gary on the petition. I
was in favor of the petition to to go
[1:01:01] forward and sign it until until it
became a still a nonpartisan form of
[1:01:07] government. And as I'm full belief that
the right way to do it is have the
[1:01:11] council run the town on elected mayor
with the way it is. However, a
[1:01:17] nonpartisan just favors a few people. It
doesn't favor the majority. This is a
[1:01:22] majority town and one of the uh one of
the two political parties. there should
[1:01:27] be uh primaries this in June and it's a
way to do it. It's the way it's done in
[1:01:33] the county and there's no reason it
shouldn't be done here. So that's my
[1:01:36] that's why I didn't sign it and I hope
there's not enough petitioners and I
[1:01:39] hope there's a petition next year to
turn it over but make it a partisan form
[1:01:43] of government.
>> Secondly, the uh lot of lot of
[1:01:49] discussion taking place on what's going
to be developed in town, what plans
[1:01:53] there are. It's been on Facebook and all
the buildings that are going to go up
[1:01:57] along Main Street. Well, there's a
there's a lot of panic and a lot of
[1:02:02] conjecture because the company that
bought that land also put up a couple of
[1:02:08] buildings or is putting up one and has
put up another behind us. They're not
[1:02:11] renting them out in any fashion that
probably making them very happy. There's
[1:02:16] a lot of risk and uh they're finding out
what type of town Vernon is, whether
[1:02:22] they're interested in renting uh for
$3,000 a month a one and a halfbedroom
[1:02:27] apartment or onebedroom with a den and
it doesn't seem to be going very well.
[1:02:32] So plans change. No panic. It can be
commercial properties as well as
[1:02:38] residential. Nothing's been brought to
the land use board that's been approved.
[1:02:42] So there's nothing to panic about. And
let's see where uh let's see where we go
[1:02:46] with this. Let's And next is uh
pickle ball. Our attorney made a ruling
[1:02:55] on the pickle ball on the amount of
money that could be spent from the funds
[1:03:00] that are available very clear on his
decision and uh it it really limits the
[1:03:06] amount of money that could be spent even
if we wanted to spend it. So, I can say
[1:03:12] pretty clearly that I'll never vote for
the pickle ball court there because
[1:03:16] it'll be one pickle and no ball because
that's how much money will be left. It's
[1:03:20] really just 30% of the money is
available and uh but to the town, to
[1:03:26] everybody in town, there is money
available. We can pay off a bond with
[1:03:30] it. We can use some of it for
recreation. So, we're all ears. If there
[1:03:34] are other ideas, please, you know,
submit your ideas,
[1:03:38] call in, email, send us an email, give
us some there's opportunity that we
[1:03:43] might be able to do some things. There's
a law laundry list of different uh
[1:03:46] things that can be done for the benefit
of the town at different locations as
[1:03:51] well.
>> And the last comment is last week there
[1:03:55] was a board of education meeting and it
was supposed to be on Thursday at
[1:03:59] Lounsbury,
then it was changed to Glenn Meadow. It
[1:04:03] was probably the biggest vote that could
have been taken ever in Vernon.
[1:04:09] » And uh I think eight people were there.
Mr. Cino was there. I was there. Sandy
[1:04:14] was there. And two of us spoke about the
subject. And the subject was to indebt
[1:04:19] the taxpayers of Vernon for a bond of
$75 million plus interest which totaled
[1:04:27] $102 million to be repaid over 20 years.
And my calculations are that the tax
[1:04:34] burden on the average home in Vernon is
$500 and some dollars between five and
[1:04:40] $550.
Multiply 550 times 20 years and you'll
[1:04:45] come up to around $13,000.
Biggest tax increase that would ever be
[1:04:51] uh shown to the public on the on the
average tax and nobody showed up. And
[1:04:57] the the discussion on the board of ed
was we have two ways of doing this.
[1:05:02] three ways. One, just don't do it and
vote it down. The second was do a
[1:05:06] referendum and allow the town's people
to vote. And they knew it would fail. So
[1:05:10] the third was to take advantage of a new
law that was put in before Governor
[1:05:14] Murphy left which allows them in this
town to use a contract in one of the
[1:05:22] Abbott district towns like Pay Patterson
Cland County towns that signed up for
[1:05:28] this special program called the CIA
program construction critical
[1:05:32] infrastructure agency from the state and
borrow the money from the state. So, in
[1:05:38] fact, the town would be taking all of
our schools, leasing them to the state,
[1:05:43] and then get them back whenever we pay
off this 20-year debt. And uh and the
[1:05:48] town that we use to use their contract,
they get a percentage as well. So, if
[1:05:54] it's a 4% bond, we'll probably paying 5%
because the town that has a contract is
[1:06:00] going to make some money. Could be the
worst thing to ever happen. And people
[1:06:03] are here, they're concerned, they listen
to taxes. nothing bigger than this. And
[1:06:08] it was to be used for capital
improvements. Well, you can't you could
[1:06:13] build a high school for $70 million. And
they're looking to replace roofs,
[1:06:18] boilers, you name it. They don't even
have the list of what they want to spend
[1:06:21] it on. They just want the money to say
we can do it. And uh it's time for the
[1:06:27] residents of the town to speak up now
because this vote was taken and passed
[1:06:33] and the monies will could conceivably
start flowing to them next April. And if
[1:06:38] that happens, your taxes are going to go
up on average over $500 just from that
[1:06:44] one vote, plus the normal increases. So
time to get involved.
[1:06:50] And uh I'm personally looking into any
way I can stop it, but it's not our
[1:06:55] vote, it's their vote. And that's the
end of my comments. Thank you.
[1:07:01] » May I have a motion to adjourn the
meeting?
[1:07:03] » Some moved.
>> Second.
[1:07:05] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[1:07:07] » I meeting
[1:07:18] have a good one. Thank you.