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emergency call came in a pulse point alert went out connecting nearby CPR

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door because they were nearby and quickly alerted they're now able to

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provide life-saving care until emergency responders arrive. That initial care made

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all the difference. This is Joel. He's a sudden cardiac arrest survivor. Armed with

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pulse point, any volunteer can help save a life. Become a life-saving volunteer and

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download pulse point today.

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Good evening folks. I'm Pam Carter and I'm

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substituting for Jeff Slavin tonight for a little while.

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We're, thank you for being here.

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We appreciate your attendance.

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I think that we will be starting off with some students

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from the Stuart Middle School that's gonna lead us

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in the pledge, and then after that,

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I'll have Pastor Jamie McClanahan

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from Wayne Hill Baptist Church,

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which will be leading us in prayer.

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So if the students will come forth and tell us your name

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and tell us what you want to happen when you graduate. We would really appreciate that.

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I'm Brooklyn and when I graduate I want to be an audiologist and help people to hear.

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I'm Braylin and when I graduate I want to go to cosmetology school

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I'm Emma and when I graduate I want to become a forensic officer

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I'm Valerie and when I graduate I would like to go to Astrology,

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we'll learn about Astrology a little more, and I am in seventh grade.

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You all have some wonderful aspirations. Proud of you.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Let's pray.

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Father God, we come before you in the name of Jesus and the power of the Spirit.

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We pray God for your blessing over those that are here.

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We are grateful for those who are serving in government.

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God, we pray a blessing over them tonight as they meet or that you would give them

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wisdom from on high discernment as they lead.

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We pray for protection for them and their families.

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God, we enter into a season of Thanksgiving where we just want to say thank you to them.

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Thank you for all the things that are seen and much that is not seen that they do for us.

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God, we're grateful for the freedom that we have in our country.

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We're grateful, Lord, for the ability to be able to meet like this without fear.

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And we're grateful for the ability to be able to worship as we please.

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And so, God, we just pray that we wouldn't take these for granted.

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We just, we live in a great country.

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We have many freedoms and we want to say thank you for those.

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God, I'm also thankful for the law enforcement that are here, pray that they would know how

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thankful we are for them as citizens, and God, also, that they would be protected

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as they serve, even today and this week, that as they go out, that there would

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be protection on them, that they would have wisdom and discernment to make

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difficult decisions under pressure. God, we are thankful for all that you've

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given us and we pray for a blessing over this meeting. Thank you for these men and

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women who are serving. For it's in Jesus' name we pray. Amen.

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Thanks to each of

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you for being here tonight.

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Okay, start off with our ambulance funding

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request. Chief.

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Madam Chair, members of the board, good evening. Coming for you

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this evening to request the approval to order another PL custom ambulance for

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Goodman Specialties. As you know our ambulance fleet replacement plan is a

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10-year replacement plan. We have 10 units and currently seven which front

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line and three reserves. With that being said during their seven years of

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front line we run them up to about a hundred thousand miles we rotate them

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around the county and then the last 25,000 miles is usually through their

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reserve status. The price of this ambulance is $429,394. That includes the 1,000 HGAC.

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The estimated delivery time has reduced. Last year was 36 months. We're down to 24 to 27

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months as outlined in the memo that you should have received in your packet. I did

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do a little bit of checking, which was also in your packet from different locations.

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Chestfield Fire and EMS has ordered a P.L. Custom as well as a Horton, and there's one was 125,

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and one was 425, and the other was 450. Henrico County Fire and EMS has ordered a Horton,

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which was 421,000. Harrisonburg Rescue back in 2023, which was one we talked about last year,

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was at 4 or 5, and that was about the same as ours was last year. Churchfield Fire

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Our rescue just ordered one for $438,000.

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That was a Horton.

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Stores Traff Rescue got it to Mirrors

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the day ordered back in 23, and it was $406,000,

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which was just delivered not too long ago.

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And in Badatoc County, they're spending

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around $430,000 for theirs.

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So that's just trying to do a little bit of research

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on that and kind of see what everybody else is paying.

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So that's before you this evening.

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Misery loves company.

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Yes, it does.

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Questions for the chief from the board?

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Chief, what was the price we paid

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on the last one we ordered?

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It was, I think, 402, the last one we ordered,

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I think came in at 402.5 something.

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I don't have it right off the top.

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It's about a 6.5% increase over last year to this year.

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Did they give you a reason why they went up so much?

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No, sir, I mean, it's, like I said,

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it's average across the all all vendors right now

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did the other localities here

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did they put it out for beds or did they just I did not ask them that sir I

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know a lot of them use ACAC but I don't know how many bid it and how many use

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ACAC had

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some folks that asked me some questions in the process that we've

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been going through on order needs and I guess we've got them all from

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Goodman, hadn't we? Yes sir.

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What's the process on on doing that when we need one

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it we just call them up and tell them that we need one or? Yes since we already

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have a developed spec and it's the same spec that we've been working off of for

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the last four years which is the medic in mind they already have that spec

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set aside so as you know when we need it we sign the contract we send them a

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PO and the contract signed and say we need the next ambulance so they

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They just built it off of the specs that we've already approved that have been approved for

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three years.

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So, we never know without putting out the bids whether that price is good or bad or...

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Well, I know that HGAC has been audited quite a bit.

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I think the last audit was the end of last year to make sure it's there.

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But I have had manufacturers tell me that if we go outside of HGAC, it's going to

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cost us more than using HGAC.

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Now, that's what manufacturers are telling us.

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Well, in my opinion, you know, in order to hold these companies accountable

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and want your business, you almost have to put it into bids.

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Well, it is bided through HGAC. HGAC bids everybody.

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So they have to put in a bid and they're audited constantly by HGAC.

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So it's not just given. They have to bid on it and meet that requirement.

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So it's still a cooperative type agreement and process but it doesn't seem like that the Goodman

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should be getting the same business every every time so well I mean we're very happy with

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PO custom product I mean they're they're a very well-built ambulance we have very minimal

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issues with them especially since we switched to gas but the unit itself the build the quality

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of their their craftsmanship is outstanding and Goodman is the only one

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that can sell PL custom so in our area we cannot buy from anybody else so other

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comments or questions if you're through are you through mr. Scholl I'm sorry I'm

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still thinking okay we can come back if you think think of something else you

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You know, it's kind of, when we go buy vehicles on a personal level, we usually go to two or

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three dealers, you know, looking to see what's the best price.

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And so I'm just still kind of concerned, you know.

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So we kind of get complacent.

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In the way that we do things rather than being proactive to try to search out for the

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citizens' taxpayers to see whether we are getting the best day when things are not.

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Well, ultimately that's what I try to do. When I reached out to all the other localities because

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it was multiple vendors that have been used and they're all in the same price range. So it's not

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like they're ripping us off. So I think that when you look at it, and that's not apples to

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apples. So a lot of people's specs, ours would probably still even be a little bit more

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like the Horton at Churchville ordered similar to ours that's a complete

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different manufacturer and theirs was 438,000 ours is 429 so and their

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design was almost similar to ours so that I mean to me that's you're we're

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still kind of doing that I mean it's not through a cooperative but I mean

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reaching out to these localities find out what they're spending and if you know

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we had if I had a locality tell me that well I'm getting what getting them

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for 300,000 and my next phone call is to be wise ours for you know if

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you want to continue our business, then you need to sharpen your pencil.

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But everybody's in the same price range.

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And I don't like price either.

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I think it's ridiculous.

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What stuff costs these days?

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Yes, Madam Chairman.

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Yes, sir.

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What is it you all need?

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You need a motion to approve the contract?

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A motion to approve the contract.

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Well, I consider that price sort of a stress test to see if your heart's still pumping

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adequately but sadly tractors cost $400,000 to you so I moved except second

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okay motion's been made and properly seconded let's vote

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Okay,

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next on the agenda is the Gusset County Recreational Facilities.

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Mr. Fitzgerald?

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right, before you tonight is a request in regards to a potential possibility of Augusta

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County Recreational Facility. You'll remember for years, years ago we had a plan to look

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at a rec center at the far end of our building down below Parks and Rec. Mr. Bailey was

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the board member of Beverly Manor at the time and had saved money over the years to

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to look at doing that and then elections happened and priorities changed so it

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kind of went away but there had been a group that came to me and wanting to

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discuss the possibility of having some type of rec center that would include

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some athletic fields some track space basketball course those types of

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things at the end of our building closed our new Parks and Rec

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Department and it included folks included Miss Bragg, Mr. Wells, the folks from the

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Planning Commission, Parks and Rec Commission. We had a meeting with Mr.

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Wells, the other Wells, Mr. Andy Wells at Parks and Rec. Myself, Ms. Wetzel, Mr.

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Wolf met to discuss the possibilities, what that might look like. And the

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The first step in that really is to have somebody have an engineering firm look at some concept

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planning, look at the area down there, as to what size a facility could be there, what's

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the layout might look like, how many fields could be there, those types of things.

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Really need that information ahead of time so that we can start putting together some

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ideas about what that might look like and then from that some cost estimates as

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to what that type of facility may cost to build. So the first step of that was to

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get a quote from Balzer Associates. Balzer is our on-call contractor

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for this type of scope of services and you'll find in your packet the scope

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The services are there for them to do some base mapping,

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have three to four concepts of 100,000 square foot facility

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along with the associated parking,

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multiple use fields and other amenities,

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doing an assessment of concepts relative to traffic

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and current conditions and surroundings.

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Meet with some staff to go over that

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and then refine those conceptual plans

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to basically give us a plan to consider.

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Their lump sum fee for that is $12,000 to do that planning work and in talking to

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Ms. Bragg and Mr. Wells they had asked that we put that on the agenda today for

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consideration for them to split that out of their soon parks and rec

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infrastructure funding.

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Okay. Discussion from the board? Yeah, Chairman. So what

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What is exactly being planned, or is it just up in the air?

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The concept that they're going to look at is a 100,000 square foot rec facility that

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would have indoor gym space inside.

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Ideally, there would be some track space in there as well.

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We're not certain, we'll have to do some work to figure out whether that fits and

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how that fits and what that looks like inside that recreational facility.

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And then on the outside, look at multi-use fields and what I thought would be that there

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would be more of a turf type field that could play multi-sports on it.

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You could play soccer and field hockey and whatever else on that field as you could mark

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them on the turf.

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So there'd be multi-use fields there.

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But really taking a look at that main facility as the rec center and then the associated

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of fields that may fit in around it and come back to us with basically a master plan as

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to say this is what could fit down there, this is what the layout could look like, where

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your fields would be.

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And then with that an associated cost estimate on what would something like that look like,

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how much is that, what would it take to build it, those types of things.

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And so before, you know, folks got too excited about, you know, going forward really need

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to kind of know what we're dealing with, so this is the section where we need to get them

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to take a close look at it.

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I think it'll fit down there no problem, but where it goes, how it lays out, and then

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ultimately what is going to cost us to move forward, I think is what we're looking

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for here with this scope of services.

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So are we looking at, like, a gym facility, like, you know, what I'm concerned about

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but it's competing with the private businesses

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that offer gym services all around the county there.

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So, you know, exercise bikes, you know,

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treadmills, weightlifting.

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I would be concerned about, you know,

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supporting anything that would have that

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that would compete against our private businesses

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that I think, yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, I think our group

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and Mr. Bragg and Mr. Wilson,

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I mean, we weren't really looking for a fitness center.

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Okay.

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Looking more like an opportunity to have some sports tourism in here where we'd have weekend

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basketball tournaments, weekend volleyball tournaments where folks could come in and play,

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travel, sports inside, on a court, indoor track facilities and that type of thing,

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not necessarily a fitness center, more of a recreational type of center.

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Okay, so the sports tourism, so stay away from the things that would compete with their local businesses.

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correct yeah okay correct yeah I am I'm not looking to build a physical fitness

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building down here it's more for different types of sports for our young

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people but my priority is the fields we've got young people in our community

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having to go to Crozet to play soccer I think we need to do something about

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that and I think we can do that I was educated about the use of a field

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for multi-purpose things.

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That was something new to me, that you

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can play multiple sports on one field

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by merely changing the color of the boundary lines on the field.

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And I found that very interesting.

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And that's why I'm anxious to see what

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balls we'll come up with as far as recommendations.

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Are there going to be tennis and pickleball courts

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looked at?

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That was a lot of the conversation

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on what we can and can't fit because we had lots of ideas for this little piece of property so we

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really need to go back and shape it out and see what happens. A lot of emphasis in localities now

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there's a lot of conversations about the sports tourism and our teams locally are having to go

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outside of Augusta and farther away to go to tournaments and things like that

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to have the facility locally if that's doable, like he was saying, for the volleyball, for

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the cheer competitions, for the basketball tournaments, that kind of thing.

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The schools can use it, obviously, for that kind of inner-county kind of tournaments.

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You also have the travel component.

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But when you talk to other localities, allowing for the tourism part, the travel tourism part

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helps pay for the operational costs, and depending how they do it, you know, you can, there's

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funding there that can cover some of the expenses in operating it, so.

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So this request is to figure out what we can put there, and to put you some jigsaw, a puzzle

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kind of things, and see what fits, how many fields, is it soccer, is it baseball, is it.

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I think I agree with Mr. Wells, we were talking about the multi-use, and they use the different

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color paints for the lines for the different sports, but we really were looking to see

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what's possible to be done.

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So, do we have a study that says these sports tourism activities are the most currently that

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this would be a good idea because, you know, what I know is the limited pickleball seems

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to be very big right now.

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Tennis seems to have waned a bit, no offense to the tennis players, but, you know, Wainsborough

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has just extended from four courts to eight courts taking up a couple more other

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courts maybe there more maybe it's 12 courts across is also another sport that's

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gaining popularity in the area and as mr. Fitzgerald said the group that met was

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a good cross section of different people planning commission rec committee this

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was what so was there community development was there I mean it wasn't

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just three or four people sitting there. I guess we had close to a dozen people in

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the room expressing different ideas and points of view. So we we came to the

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conclusion, well let's see what Ballzer can show. What's a could possibly fit

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down there. We'll go from there. And I know Pickleball has frequent tournaments.

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You can see them all during the summer occurring on the weekend. So

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that'd be something you know. You have Stanton has courts at Montgomery

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Hall, but the county with our 77,000 only has two courts here, so.

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In Weir's Cave.

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Yeah, in Weir's Cave.

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Right, so only two courts.

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Just as a side note with that, we had meetings today.

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There's a group in Stewart's Draft that's very interested in exploring the possibility

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of putting four courts in the Stewart's Draft Park.

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And we're just in the planning, trying to figure it out stage for that also,

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but hopefully we can get more pickleball throughout the county.

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but we are actively looking at it as Stewart-Straff Park, we hope, so.

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And then I think we were looking also at the Beverly Manor property that has

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old grown-up broken down tennis courts there that need to be mowed there. So

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but I can get behind this and I would split it with the Wayne District too.

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Thank you.

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I was going to make the offer to also contribute to this four ways.

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Well,

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can I offer to help pay for the study and vote against the project?

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If that's your prerogative.

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It is.

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Doc makes a very good point.

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I mean, I'm not sure I'd even heard of Pickleball several years ago when they wanted

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to build those courts down there.

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and people down there are nuts.

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I'm just amazed at the different ages of people that play.

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I mean, people go over and play with their grandkids.

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I mean, when many sports do you play with your grandkids?

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And there are people there all the time.

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And they're gonna now put pickleball courts

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inside the facility there.

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So, yeah, so it'll, it amazes me.

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The person who started all this,

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I just refer to as the pickleball queen

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because that's all she talked about.

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But guess what? It turned out that she was right, and we got somebody to fund it.

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And all the county got out of that was being a pain, you know, with permits and stuff, just saying.

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And go ahead and take credit for educating me that lacrosse wasn't up-and-coming sport in the area.

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Because if it hadn't been for you, I still wouldn't know that.

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Having only played this summer, pickleball, I had a seven and eight-year-old with my wife and I, pretty bad on the courts there.

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So they were pretty humiliating.

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Did you play tennis?

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I've played tennis in the past, not for the last.

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15 years. So it does help if you know tennis. It's a wrist in there. So the plans

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that were developed back when Mr. Bailey was here, how much work was in that or

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what was the concept of that? And yeah, I'll have to check. I'm not sure they

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actually ever physically put together a plan. I know he was saving money in his

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infrastructure to to fund something but I don't I've never seen actually a set of

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plans or a layout or design or any of that I could check with with Andy to see

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if he's got something but I don't I'm not sure that exists I'm not sure it

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ever got to that point because he may recall he'd say million dollars or

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so in his infrastructure and then didn't run again and the next board

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member said that's not a priority for him and used the money elsewhere so I'm not

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certain we actually have a set of plans to look at. Well does this aspect be

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voted on tonight I'd like to see if there were a set of plans and maybe take a

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look at that before we move forward with this.

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I mean 15 years or better maybe

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20 years I think pickleball came out in the 60s and it's been 15 at least 15

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years I doubt if they were even looking at down instructor surface or

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artificial surface back in because that's a that can be a big maintenance savings

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and

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we postponed this for two weeks and give you an opportunity to look and see

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if it is and see if it's something that we can what's the pleasure of the

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yet? No.

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It's easy to postpone it until the 21st.

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Second. Or the 20, what is it,

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25th?

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25th. 25th.

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Is there a second to postponing it? Yeah, second. I mean, motion to

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postpone to the 25th. And that's fine. That's what you want to do. I'm just not

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sure what a 15-year-old plan is going to. Well, it may not be a 15-year-old plan,

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but nobody's had time to look to see what it is and so you know two weeks is not going to

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Make or break this deal. So I

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Think it also would be a good. Sorry to interrupt you

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I think it also be good if we looked at our other properties that we have including the rundown gym

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That's on the Wilson property

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property,

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Wilson High School property, that I don't know how much that would cost to get

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a roof fix on it, and what we have to do with the school to get that, and if it's even realistic

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or if it's just way out of our range there to fix it.

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But it at least has walls up on it there.

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I don't know how much damage is inside, but-

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Yeah, it's got a roof, I think that-

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the courts there how much that would cost and how many things we could fit there

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I think that would be. I think staff would agree with you and that's

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leading to a recommendation you'll see with the comp plan which is a parks and

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rec master plan that would talk about all that type of stuff what you do with

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those fields what you do with the berry farm what you do with the Wilson GM tennis

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scores I think yeah we don't currently have a parts and rec master plan but we're

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going to need one moving forward so Mr. Scholl that was a motion to postpone

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and Dr. Seaton second okay let's vote okay

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we have four to two and with one

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absent to postpone all right moving along the consent agenda I'll make a

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motion that we approve the consent agenda as presented.

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Yeah, I'd like to remove a couple of items

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from the consent agenda.

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The 9-11-24 and the 10-9-24 meetings.

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I think we can do the consent agenda on the other remaining

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items.

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Dr. Seaton, is this in reference to the discussion that was held in January of this year?

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For one of them.

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And it's also related to the minutes of the meeting that were incomplete on 10-9-24.

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Which ones from were you polling because of the discussion in January?

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So the 10-9-24 doesn't accurately reflect the meeting, the motions that were made on 10-9-24.

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Relating to the January meeting?

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Related to the January meeting.

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I want to bring to your attention that the minutes were approved.

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moved. I have the duty of refusing to recognize your motion according to Robert's rules of

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order section 47.7 and also 48.2. It's frivolous and it's delitory behavior and you're wasting

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this organization's time by keep bringing it up and I'm not going to recognize it.

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So I still ask that 10-9-24 is removed from the consent agenda as well as the 10-9-11-24

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That's removed from the consent agenda. I want those voted on separately

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Did you not understand what I just said?

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It's not frivolous. I have the right to ask those removed.

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Well, I'm not going to recognize you

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So I'll just keep on going

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There so this is not a this is a right to ask those to be removed from the consent agenda

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We can remove them, but that doesn't know because we need to vote on them

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You can vote on them separately. That's my right to have the pleasure of the board. That's my

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Right to have them voted on separately.

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What's the attorney say? What's the attorney say? I made the reference to

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Robert's rules of order revised 12th edition that you can look up in section

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47.7 and 48.2 that the chair has the right

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to not recognize your motion because it's frivolous and it's

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Dilatory and it's a waste of this board's time for you to continue to do that. So the motion that was made on

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9 on 10 9 24 does not accurately that this the one that's in the minutes does not

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accurately reflect the minute the motion that I made if we want to play the

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recording let's play the recording the recording is totally different than what's

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in the minutes right now if you want to ignore the recording if you want to

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ignore actually what wanted what you want to do you can do that but you

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to vote on this. I just have a question if I may. Absolutely. This has been the

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same question that has been asked for almost a year and it has been denied

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for almost a year. So my question is how many more years are we going to do this?

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So the minutes need to accurately reflect what the motion was made back

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on 10 9 24 and it does not. I'm talking about the other thing that you keep

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one in the ad. So what I'm talking about is 10, 9, 24, I made a motion, these

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minutes do not accurately reflect that motion, and so it's not an accurate

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minutes. And I have the right to pull it from the consent agenda and have it

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voted on separately. I'm not preventing the will of the

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majority.

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I'm just stating that. Do you feel these minutes do not reflect your

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comments about that meeting 10 9 24 minutes do not reflect the motion that

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was made that I made on 10 9 24 regarding regarding the the items that have

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been discussed but it's the motion was made and the minutes don't reflect the

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motion that was made I mean that's the simple thing they don't reflect the

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minute the minutes the motion this has got to stop well then put the the actual

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wording of the motion into the minutes the actual wording of a motion does not

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go into the minutes it's the action of the board that goes into the minute the

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wording of the motion I'll argue with you about it the wording of motion

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rules there is there a second to approve the consent agenda but best

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specify if I mean I'm not recognizing Dr. Seaton's request. So I'm at no the

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attorney what's the rules on removing from the consent agenda I have the right

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to remove it from the consent agenda the 9-11 and the 10-9-24 meetings minutes.

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Certainly any member can request that items be removed from the consent

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agenda to be voted on separately. It's a different question as to the motion that I think Dr.

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Seton refers to. Robert's Rules of Order does speak to the content of meeting minutes.

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And 48-2 indicates that those minutes should contain what was done at a meeting and not

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what was said at a meeting. Further 48-4 indicates that secondary motions which

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would be a motion to amend, which I think is what occurred on 10-9, I believe

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that the motion was made to approve the minutes and then the secondary motion

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made by Mr. Seton, which wasn't seconded but didn't need to be, but that

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motion was lost so the motion was not stated in the minutes and they are not

452
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typically included in minutes according to Robert's rules of order if it was

453
00:41:38,420 --> 00:41:45,860
lost and it was it did not pass so it's thank you for that clarification so

454
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:49,760
is

455
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,480
there a motion to well Mike has made the motion to accept the consent agenda

456
00:41:53,480 --> 00:42:01,320
is published is there a second so what about the 9-11-24 if it relates to the

457
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:09,400
January meeting I'm not 9 11 24 doesn't what's the topic I have the right

458
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:15,980
to remove it from the agenda from the consent agenda it's not regarding the

459
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:22,760
January 3rd meeting thank you all right we'll pull the two is there second

460
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,940
where you've seconded that seconded dr. Seaton's request no

461
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:35,000
I don't have a

462
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,680
they're just removed so the motion you'd be looking for would be to do the

463
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,560
consent agenda that would include the claims street addition street light

464
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:50,280
request and then the minutes of nine twenty-five twenty-four staff and regular

465
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:55,160
staff and regular and the ten twenty-one and ten twenty-one that would be the

466
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:01,520
motion to approve all those you would remove 9 11 24 and 10 9 24 and vote on

467
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:09,140
them separately. Okay, so the motion is to approve the consent agenda with the

468
00:43:09,140 --> 00:43:13,620
removal of two of those two meeting minutes. Let's vote.

469
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:27,570
Okay, motion carries.

470
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:41,370
Chairman, I'd like to amend the 9-11-24 regular meeting minutes on page 12. My

471
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:44,690
statement during that meeting was not included in the minutes. I would like

472
00:43:44,690 --> 00:43:49,990
those included. My statement was, as the only veteran on the Board of Supervisors, I appreciate

473
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:54,130
the location of the memorial being in front of the courthouse and in front of the administration

474
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:57,150
building. Veterans deserve our recognition.

475
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,320
The second thing was,

476
00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:07,360
I asked Ms. Wetzel

477
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:19,940
about who owned the lease that had the radio tower that we voted on and she

478
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:23,140
stated Crown Castle Delaware Corporation and I think that should be

479
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:24,040
included in the minutes.

480
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,140
It's right after it. So it might be page 13 or bottom of it.

481
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:48,100
Again, am I not correct that we don't necessarily put word for word statements, so it reflects

482
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:50,220
the business that was conducted?

483
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:59,240
I mean, that is correct in terms of, again, the rules that the board has adopted to live

484
00:44:59,240 --> 00:44:59,560
by.

485
00:44:59,560 --> 00:44:59,600
Thank you very much for your time.

486
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,660
Um, indicate that that is more of a transcript of the proceedings.

487
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,640
Minutes are meant to be actions taken by the board.

488
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,940
Um, it's the pleasure of the majority of the board.

489
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:18,920
So it's fair to say that really none of us get basically word for word statements, it's just some of it.

490
00:45:19,460 --> 00:45:26,680
I think it's important to know who owns the, who the county was taking, leasing the, uh,

491
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,420
The site from

492
00:45:29,740 --> 00:45:33,060
So is there a second to dr. Seton's motion well

493
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:38,600
and our

494
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:43,520
Board rules say that things don't have to be seconded at this point in time

495
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,640
so let's take a vote whether to

496
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,980
Approve dr. Seton's motions a

497
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:03,150
motion did not pass

498
00:46:03,150 --> 00:46:05,910
Five to one with one abstention

499
00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:10,320
Thank you for so I'm motion. Also

500
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,240
on the 10 9 24

501
00:46:14,340 --> 00:46:19,220
regular meeting. These minutes do not accurately reflect the discussion during

502
00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:24,400
the meeting regarding the various meetings before that and I make a motion

503
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,880
to add these questions to the minutes that were part of the motion I made.

504
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:34,240
Whether he would so I motion to add these questions to the minutes that were

505
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:39,120
part of the motion and this is going to be on page 27. Whether he would vote

506
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:46,140
For body cameras. This is regarding the chairman and he said no when he found out that the animal shelter was

507
00:46:46,740 --> 00:46:52,240
charging illegal fees, which he stated the nebulous whenever somebody else does did

508
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,140
Whether he would vote to live stream the Bza and planning Commission

509
00:46:56,140 --> 00:47:04,300
And whether he tried to get a government employee fired or disciplined who has a private citizen spoke before the board by meeting with the state?

510
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:11,460
by him meeting with the State Veterinarian, Dr. Charles Brodas, and Deputy Director David

511
00:47:11,460 --> 00:47:16,860
McGreevy at VDAC's regional office in Harrisonburg on 622-23.

512
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:22,860
Mr. Chairman, I have a question for Dr. Seaton.

513
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,820
You want, I'm curious, why do you want that in there?

514
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:34,100
Because that was part of the January 3rd meeting and that was part of multiple meetings.

515
00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:35,240
That was part of the minutes.

516
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,820
That was part of the motion that was made last meeting.

517
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,520
Which two points.

518
00:47:39,660 --> 00:47:43,480
First of all, why do you want just part of your conversation and there's nothing that

519
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,220
you're adding about Ms. Carter because you also asked her questions.

520
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,360
So I find it interesting that you only want one set of the questions added and not the

521
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:51,600
other.

522
00:47:52,060 --> 00:47:55,360
The second part was, and you just said, and it's actually in our minutes, that

523
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:02,380
you moved to add the questions to the candidates and we voted no.

524
00:48:02,860 --> 00:48:08,100
But the questions themselves was part of the motion, just like I'm making today was part

525
00:48:08,100 --> 00:48:08,560
of the motion.

526
00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:14,840
But you were the losing vote, so does that mean in Robert's rule it does not come back

527
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:15,120
up?

528
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:20,720
No, because this is a different motion because this deals with the motion of the last

529
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:21,000
meeting.

530
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,020
Well, I don't think for the next three years we're going to sit there every single

531
00:48:25,020 --> 00:48:29,600
meeting and say, well, it's different, even though we voted on it multiple times

532
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:37,920
and in Robert's rule, if you make a motion, it loses then the person who loses the motion

533
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,660
doesn't get to bring it back up.

534
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,740
This is a different motion because this applies to the last minutes and not into the previous

535
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:44,200
minutes.

536
00:48:44,660 --> 00:48:48,440
But the question is the same and it has been for a year now.

537
00:48:48,460 --> 00:48:49,560
It's not the same.

538
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:56,120
It's a motion that applies to these minutes and I'm asking, it's a primary motion.

539
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:01,000
I'm asking these questions to be added to the minutes on page 27.

540
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:07,220
I think that Robert's rules, the question that was asked that you asked was that those

541
00:49:07,220 --> 00:49:11,880
questions, and it doesn't matter if it's today, yesterday, or the day before, you've asked

542
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:18,700
the question that they be added to the minutes, and every single time for a year, we've said

543
00:49:18,700 --> 00:49:19,160
no.

544
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:24,920
And so this is a continuation of the same question, whether it's week after week

545
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,400
week after week, it's still the same question.

546
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:28,660
So I don't think...

547
00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:34,140
So I wasn't the one who tried to get somebody fired, who was a civilian, who was up here,

548
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,100
who spoke before.

549
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,980
There's been an investigation.

550
00:49:39,780 --> 00:49:40,360
There's plenty.

551
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,300
Do you know anything about what happened?

552
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:43,300
Yes, actually.

553
00:49:43,820 --> 00:49:44,120
Okay.

554
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,300
I mean, I know what you said, but I'm not going to rehash it, and I think it's interesting

555
00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:53,400
again that you're only interested in one person's answers and questions being added

556
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:59,680
and not the other persons, so it's not a question of you want accuracy in the

557
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:05,160
in the minutes because you're not asking for everything to be included. So are

558
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,720
you amending my motion? Are you making a motion to amend it to include those

559
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:14,700
questions? No, but as chair let me tell you what I'm doing. I have the authority

560
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:23,380
to not recognize that and I'm not going to recognize that motion. We're

561
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:27,180
You continue to bring it up. We're going to move on to the next subject.

562
00:50:27,940 --> 00:50:34,520
So Virginia Code 22.2, 29021 of the Virginia Personnel Act.

563
00:50:35,340 --> 00:50:39,340
It is a violation of a speaker's right to engage with elected public officials.

564
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:49,840
This is an issue where a public official is trying to suppress a speaker who's acting properly.

565
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:59,060
So you are out of order sir matters to be presented by the public don't you have to

566
00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:03,160
don't you have two sets of minutes that we haven't passed yes we didn't we voted

567
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:10,060
on the one and I'm what do we have this that still needs to be passed move we

568
00:51:10,060 --> 00:51:12,680
adopt. All right folks.

569
00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:20,520
Adopt as written as written currently written. Of course I said all that.

570
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:48,800
All right the October.

571
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:56,430
Okay matters

572
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,280
from the public Mr. Fitzgerald. Do not have

573
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,540
any one signed up tonight. Okay matters to be presented by the staff.

574
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:10,850
Do have a

575
00:52:10,850 --> 00:52:12,930
couple things from staff tonight.

576
00:52:13,650 --> 00:52:16,570
First, I will share with you, just so you know,

577
00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:17,490
you'll see it on your calendar.

578
00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:21,050
But November 25th, the board had agreed that week

579
00:52:21,050 --> 00:52:25,570
to include both your meetings on the 25th.

580
00:52:25,570 --> 00:52:27,390
So just for your calendar's purposes,

581
00:52:27,850 --> 00:52:30,010
looks like we're going to be asking

582
00:52:30,010 --> 00:52:36,310
to come in at 2.30 that day for a joint board and EDA

583
00:52:36,310 --> 00:52:36,750
meeting.

584
00:52:37,730 --> 00:52:39,190
What we would do at that meeting

585
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:45,550
is review the economic development strategic plan that has been prepared as part of our

586
00:52:45,550 --> 00:52:51,790
comp plan process. And so we'd like to present that to you and the EDA at 2.30 that day.

587
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:59,490
We will start our work session at 4.30 that day. In this room, our other meeting will

588
00:52:59,490 --> 00:53:03,450
be in a room down the hall, but at 4.30 in this room we'll start our work session.

589
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:10,550
do our work session till around six. We'll have entering in at seven o'clock that

590
00:53:10,550 --> 00:53:15,050
evening. We'll have our normal meeting on the 25th and that will get you all

591
00:53:15,050 --> 00:53:19,230
taken care of before Thanksgiving. So just for your calendar purposes that's

592
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:25,350
what the thought is right now. The other thing I wanted to share with you is

593
00:53:25,350 --> 00:53:29,710
I've had some conversation with Dominion Energy. Some of you may have heard

594
00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:35,150
about this proposal, some may not, but there is a proposal out there that they have submitted

595
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:42,050
to PGM, which is the group that manages electrical supply across Commonwealth.

596
00:53:42,990 --> 00:53:48,090
What they do is they look at areas where they see a need for additional electricity

597
00:53:48,090 --> 00:53:53,990
and then they ask power companies to, I guess, give proposals to how they could help.

598
00:53:53,990 --> 00:54:00,250
Dominion Energy has a proposal into them, very preliminary, to

599
00:54:01,030 --> 00:54:07,450
essentially add another line from Dooms to Lexington. This would be adding

600
00:54:07,450 --> 00:54:12,870
another tower beside the existing towers that are out there, which would

601
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:17,110
also mean that they would have to widen their easements in those areas and

602
00:54:17,110 --> 00:54:23,670
do a lot of extra work. That word has kind of got around some folks that

603
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:28,950
start asking questions and I talked to Dominion today about that and they were

604
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:33,750
very clear to me that that was a very preliminary proposal. They won't know

605
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:38,950
until February whether PGM even accepts that proposal. If it if it does get

606
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:44,450
accepted it will have to go through its full project process that they

607
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:47,990
normally would go through when they do type of project like that but I just

608
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:52,030
put that before you. They have offered to come to the board and do a

609
00:54:52,030 --> 00:54:58,250
presentation if you'd like them to do that while it's in proposal phase or if

610
00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:02,210
you want to kind of wait to get selected about PGM in February we could bring

611
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:06,310
them back in February to kind of talk about that project further but really

612
00:55:06,310 --> 00:55:11,310
up to you but I did want to put it on your radar that it's out there kind

613
00:55:11,310 --> 00:55:14,830
of been on the streets a little bit I talked Spencer Souter and Rockbridge

614
00:55:14,830 --> 00:55:17,990
and they've been hearing a good bit about I think Dominion went to Rock

615
00:55:17,990 --> 00:55:23,290
bridge this week and gave a little brief overview of the project and but they did

616
00:55:23,290 --> 00:55:26,150
want to make sure that you all knew that it was very preliminary it's nothing

617
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:31,230
set in stone but it is out there for you to see but I'll be willing to bring

618
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:39,270
them whenever you'd like to do so but the the third thing I have is a request

619
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:44,670
that we had received from Project Groves as you know they have a lease

620
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:49,610
over to Berry Farm and have for many many years and you know we allow them to

621
00:55:49,610 --> 00:55:56,210
build a barn over there and they would like to put solar facilities on the

622
00:55:56,210 --> 00:56:02,090
rooftop of that barn. They have an opportunity to get some grant funds and

623
00:56:02,090 --> 00:56:07,390
have been working with a company that would put rooftop solar on the barn to

624
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:12,030
provide some power for those projects over there. Their lease with us

625
00:56:12,030 --> 00:56:17,630
requires the board to approve that so you had to approve the barn going on the

626
00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:22,790
property as part of the lease so they they've asked if if I would bring it

627
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:29,170
back to you all essentially to allow them to work to install these solar

628
00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:34,750
panels on top of the rooftop over there if that be the board would be okay

629
00:56:34,750 --> 00:56:39,110
with that. Yes, it may be approved.

630
00:56:41,230 --> 00:56:45,090
Any further discussion? All in favor of the

631
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:47,210
motion? Let's vote.

632
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:06,280
Okay. 6-0 with one abstention. Absence. I'm sorry absence.

633
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,820
Yep. Thank you. Okay. All right. I think that's all I have.

634
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:14,930
Okay. Matters to

635
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:17,670
presented by the board, Mr. Garber?

636
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:23,140
We'd just like to say that we should all

637
00:57:23,140 --> 00:57:25,120
be pleased that we got through an election

638
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,860
and we didn't shoot anybody and we didn't burn anything down.

639
00:57:28,740 --> 00:57:31,000
Obviously, there were people that were happy and people

640
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:31,600
that weren't.

641
00:57:31,940 --> 00:57:35,620
But here's what I could tell, that a rather peaceful event

642
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:37,540
and that's always something to celebrate.

643
00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:41,980
And I would also say that never

644
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:46,300
mind, I can't say it.

645
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,440
Just keep in mind, we're not missing somebody tonight

646
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,000
out of convenience keep him in mind. First

647
00:58:00,070 --> 00:58:03,790
thing I'd like to do is congratulate

648
00:58:03,790 --> 00:58:09,650
the Stewart's Draft, Draft Express Band that they have been going through their

649
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:14,970
competition season and they came out with the state championship for the

650
00:58:14,970 --> 00:58:19,790
Classe bands and we're very proud of that group and they work hard and

651
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:25,450
they're a lot of fun so I want to congratulate them and something else

652
00:58:25,450 --> 00:58:30,030
just to put on our radar and start thinking about, you know, we've gone through the reassessment

653
00:58:30,730 --> 00:58:37,050
and I know that in the past there's been conversations about looking at what an in-house

654
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:45,430
reassessment would look like and department and so forth. So I would like to ask that at some

655
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:52,430
point we start evaluating that and determine whether that would be a better route for us to

656
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:56,750
So I didn't want to bring that up and maybe get the wheels started on that.

657
00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:59,930
Just throwing that out there.

658
00:59:00,150 --> 00:59:01,650
Yeah, it's been under discussion.

659
00:59:01,990 --> 00:59:02,210
Okay.

660
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,680
So it's already on our radar.

661
00:59:06,420 --> 00:59:06,900
Okay.

662
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:07,120
Okay.

663
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,560
And we all came back from Vaco and I think that it was a very good session.

664
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:17,980
And I think actually I learned more this round than I have in some of the previous ones.

665
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,740
So it was a good, good few days.

666
00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:22,910
Mr. Shaw?

667
00:59:23,810 --> 00:59:25,050
I don't have anything.

668
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:26,950
Mr. Wells?

669
00:59:27,490 --> 00:59:27,970
No way.

670
00:59:28,290 --> 00:59:29,250
Dr. Seton?

671
00:59:29,990 --> 00:59:30,810
Yeah, thank you.

672
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:42,390
Just to go over, we went to the VACO, the meetings I attended, it was kind of clear in the

673
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:46,030
education budget, elections, conferences that we had.

674
00:59:46,030 --> 00:59:55,450
that they really hope they as the speakers, not necessarily all the representatives that

675
00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:59,970
were there, but they were hoping that a Democrat would win and they were

676
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,100
We're looking at taxes going up by the minimum of $3 to $4 billion in Virginia, if they have

677
01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:12,720
a Democrat governor. So I think we should all be aware of that. That's a whole lot of taxes

678
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,060
for us there.

679
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,780
I was made aware tonight that the Fishersville

680
01:00:18,780 --> 01:00:28,380
Library Survey was completed, and so we're going to try to work with what the field,

681
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:33,740
the people who keep up the field and want to see changes, we're gonna work with

682
01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:41,540
them to add things to the survey, make sure everything's in the right location,

683
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:47,520
and then try to get this approved in the near future there. I think I had asked

684
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:52,420
for it to be in the 25th, the November 25th meeting there.

685
01:00:56,020 --> 01:00:58,120
And thank

686
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:02,810
you, that

687
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:10,950
Okay, well, I've got a couple things. First of all, I wanted to brag a little bit about

688
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:19,250
an activity that occurred out in Craigsville a week or so ago. I was contacted by a company

689
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:25,330
and I think they contacted Mr. Wells first about the end of September about doing a

690
01:01:25,330 --> 01:01:31,230
– PBS wanted to do a documentary about the effects of a prison closure on a community.

691
01:01:31,230 --> 01:01:39,450
and they selected Craigsville to be the community that they highlighted. So very

692
01:01:39,450 --> 01:01:44,730
quickly their film crew came out so they I got in contact and I think it was on

693
01:01:44,730 --> 01:01:50,070
October 23rd and they were filming on the 25th so very quick turnaround they

694
01:01:50,070 --> 01:01:54,750
interviewed Mayor Fox they went over to the prison itself to take a look

695
01:01:54,750 --> 01:02:01,210
around they interviewed Chief Martin from the fire department myself and then

696
01:02:01,210 --> 01:02:06,310
they also interviewed lots and lots of the citizens to get their point of view

697
01:02:06,310 --> 01:02:13,630
on this documentary. It's Laura Flanagan. She's on PBS. I watched a couple of her

698
01:02:13,630 --> 01:02:20,150
shows so I'll be really interested to see what this how it turns out. They're

699
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:24,950
planning on it to show it sometime in January. They don't have the exact date

700
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:29,350
yet but once I get that date I will certainly broadcast it to you all.

701
01:02:29,350 --> 01:02:30,050
let you know.

702
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:38,190
Second thing is I'm sorry I didn't have this before you but it's a

703
01:02:38,190 --> 01:02:44,050
request for some infrastructure money from the Craigsville Fire Department and

704
01:02:44,050 --> 01:02:49,210
it's to cover the cost of a lot of the new hose that they're going to be

705
01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:58,450
required to purchase and it's a total of $8,647.28 so I would like to be

706
01:02:58,450 --> 01:02:59,990
able to take that out of my infrastructure

707
01:02:59,990 --> 01:03:01,950
and cover that cost for them.

708
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:04,610
Move or second whatever is needed.

709
01:03:09,710 --> 01:03:11,150
OK, let's vote.

710
01:03:23,850 --> 01:03:24,270
Thank you.

711
01:03:26,590 --> 01:03:32,830
And the last thing that I had was a result of the VACO

712
01:03:32,830 --> 01:03:35,050
conference, a discussion that happened.

713
01:03:36,210 --> 01:03:38,790
Evidently, we're not the only locality that's

714
01:03:38,790 --> 01:03:41,230
getting bombarded by FOIA request.

715
01:03:41,970 --> 01:03:50,210
and one of a couple of the entities said that they have decided to have a report

716
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:56,490
given to the public and to the board on the top five users of FOIA and the costs

717
01:03:56,490 --> 01:04:00,390
that are associated with those requests, the cost to the county.

718
01:04:01,130 --> 01:04:05,110
And I think in the spirit of transparency for our citizens,

719
01:04:05,110 --> 01:04:08,790
that we should provide that information to them.

720
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:13,110
And speaking with Mr. Oleg and Mr. Fitzgerald a minute to comment,

721
01:04:13,430 --> 01:04:20,410
but I think that our citizens might be very interested to see who all's

722
01:04:21,030 --> 01:04:23,550
doing four-year request and the cost to us.

723
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:31,430
So you'd like that to be provided at the end of the month?

724
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:33,830
How much would that be fairly easy for you to pull?

725
01:04:33,830 --> 01:04:37,930
We have a system that I think we could pull it very easily and pull it,

726
01:04:37,930 --> 01:04:41,390
you know how many hours it takes and we've got a we've got a four-year

727
01:04:41,390 --> 01:04:46,070
software package that Erica manages for us and Jennifer's involved in that but

728
01:04:46,070 --> 01:04:51,030
it's correct me if I'm wrong but I just I don't see that big issue yeah I think

729
01:04:51,030 --> 01:04:54,910
we have the data available to do that there's

730
01:04:57,220 --> 01:04:58,160
something you'd like to see at

731
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:02,260
the end of the month during your staff meeting work time is that where ever

732
01:05:02,260 --> 01:05:06,880
suits you suit staff well let's just plan on doing it as part of a staff

733
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,560
brief and we can put that in the report and just put it in there each month.

734
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,940
Do we need a motion or a show?

735
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:14,220
I don't think you need a motion.

736
01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:16,000
Is there anyone that's opposed to doing that?

737
01:05:16,020 --> 01:05:17,540
If that's the board's direction, that's what we'll do.

738
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:23,600
Yeah, I think clarity is always good, except for I'm concerned that we're doing this

739
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,000
to intimidate people instead of allow them.

740
01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:28,920
So I would vote against it.

741
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,000
It's readily available as a FOIA request anyways.

742
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,020
anybody could get it but I'm just concerned that this is going to this is

743
01:05:39,020 --> 01:05:46,920
meant to suppress people asking for a FOIA for asking for information. I would

744
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:51,100
view it as a means of transparency to our citizens where their dollars are

745
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:55,100
going so I guess we do need to have a motion well

746
01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:01,440
it's since Dr. Seton refuses

747
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,620
is it?

748
01:06:22,580 --> 01:06:30,430
I had asked that they provide that at work session but Dr. Seton is

749
01:06:30,430 --> 01:06:37,790
against doing that so I wanted to know what the rest of the feelings of the

750
01:06:37,790 --> 01:06:38,310
board were.

751
01:06:48,810 --> 01:06:54,150
I'm not what I worry about is that this report is being obtained to

752
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:59,970
to try to dox people to intimidate their ability to ask for this information.

753
01:07:02,380 --> 01:07:04,720
So therefore you're opposed to doing this?

754
01:07:06,550 --> 01:07:09,830
I would be opposed to any intimidation of citizens.

755
01:07:14,260 --> 01:07:16,780
Well the truth can be mighty intimidating sometimes.

756
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,300
Now what is the motion on the floor? I've already got one.

757
01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:26,700
The motion is to ask staff to bring a report of the top users of FOIA for the month and the cost to the county.

758
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:27,860
Okay.

759
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:36,160
And Ms. Bragg made the motion it's been seconded no I'll second okay let's vote

760
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:37,280
five

761
01:07:48,930 --> 01:07:52,650
yes one no and one absent okay

762
01:07:55,120 --> 01:08:03,560
any redoes I got one thing I know I know but

763
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,880
it came in I said we didn't have anybody from the public but I did want to

764
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:14,640
share with the board that we did get one e-comment today and we will send this

765
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:20,940
e-comment to you on email but it it regards the sympathize that the county

766
01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:24,600
needs it's interesting because we talked about this earlier the county needs

767
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:30,160
soccer fields desperately every other municipality around Augusta has public

768
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:35,040
soccer fields Augusta County has two small fields of Sturkshraft Park

769
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:41,600
Augusta United must bar fields and churches, schools, HOAs, private property owners, scrambling

770
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:47,000
when weather causes disruptions, no fields with lights, in the winter months practice

771
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,920
may be played on baseball fields.

772
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,300
Kids need a safe alternative place for after school activities.

773
01:08:54,380 --> 01:08:59,440
And so this Ms. Kathleen Cavender submitted that today.

774
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,360
So we'll send that to you on email, just a matter of the record.

775
01:09:04,460 --> 01:09:11,500
Mr. Fitzgerald, I got that, but I can't read it, so if you'd resend it, it was highlighted

776
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:17,040
when it shows up highlighted, it might as well be blank, so if I get it some other way,

777
01:09:17,100 --> 01:09:17,700
I can read it.

778
01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:18,280
Well, we will.

779
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,180
We will get it sent to you again.

780
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:20,780
Great.

781
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:21,820
Yeah.

782
01:09:22,180 --> 01:09:22,960
Then we do have a closed session.

783
01:09:22,980 --> 01:09:23,400
Thank you.

784
01:09:23,700 --> 01:09:25,860
Do we need a break before closed session?

785
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:28,720
Okay.

786
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:29,940
Mr. Shaw.

787
01:09:29,940 --> 01:09:35,880
All right, I move that the Board of Supervisors of Augusta County convene

788
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:42,340
into closed session pursuant to one, the legal counsel exemption under Virginia

789
01:09:42,340 --> 01:09:52,640
Code 2.23711A7. Consultation with legal counsel and briefings by staff

790
01:09:52,640 --> 01:10:01,180
members or consultants pertaining to actual or probable litigation where

791
01:10:01,180 --> 01:10:09,100
such consultation or briefings in open meetings would adversely affect the

792
01:10:09,100 --> 01:10:17,780
negotiation or litigation posture of the public body. For the purposes of this

793
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:25,440
This subdivision probable litigation means litigation that has been specifically threatened

794
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:34,180
or on which the public body or its legal counsel has a reasonable basis to believe will be

795
01:10:34,180 --> 01:10:38,120
commenced by or against a known party.

796
01:10:38,580 --> 01:10:45,980
Nothing in this subdivision shall be construed to permit the closure of the meeting merely

797
01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:51,600
because an attorney representing the public body is in attendance or is

798
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:59,820
consulted on a matter. A, the purpose of the closed session is consultation with

799
01:10:59,820 --> 01:11:04,240
legal counsel and briefings by staff members pertaining to probable

800
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:09,420
litigation. The subject matter of the closed session is probable litigation

801
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,580
between Augusta County and a certain commercial property owner

802
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:22,600
are pertaining to the 2024 reassess evaluation of the owner's real estate property for purposes

803
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:23,540
of taxation.

804
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:26,840
Is there a second?

805
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:29,400
Okay.

806
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,880
I have a question for the attorney.

807
01:11:33,540 --> 01:11:41,940
So it seems to say here, how would discussing this in open session adversely affect

808
01:11:41,940 --> 01:11:44,340
our negotiator and our litigating posture?

809
01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:51,900
I mean it requires that so I need to know how it would adversely affect our

810
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:58,520
negotiating, live-getting posture. I think in this situation my assessment would

811
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:07,020
be that to address that issue would itself compromise our position. What

812
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:14,020
issue? The issue that there is a certain commercial property owner who

813
01:12:15,260 --> 01:12:22,400
contests, disagrees with, continues to dispute the 2024 reassessed valuation of

814
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:27,960
that owner's real property for purposes of taxation. That litigation is

815
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:35,140
probable and forthcoming in all likelihood and to go further into that I

816
01:12:35,140 --> 01:12:37,660
think would would compromise the position of the county.

817
01:12:41,340 --> 01:12:42,200
Anything more

818
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:50,600
specific then that I I write I think that we're our our specificity is the

819
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:57,460
purpose of the session is to consult for the body to consult with legal counsel

820
01:12:57,460 --> 01:13:03,080
and also to receive briefings by staff and then the subject of that is the

821
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:11,450
specific subject I just outlined and then we have the particular exemption

822
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:19,010
from the Virginia Code also cited and I think those make it proper a proper

823
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:26,070
motion and a proper closed session so we have a motion so we have a motion on the

824
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:29,410
floor to enter into closed session let's vote okay

825
01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:41,080
six oh we're now in closed

826
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:41,460
session