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Good evening everyone. Welcome to the
September 8th, 2026 planning board

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meeting. Like to start with the pledge,
please.

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To the flag of the United States of
America to the republic for which it

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stand

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with liberty.

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Just a few standard announcements.
Emergency exits are to your left and

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right in the out of the room. Uh
restrooms are out the back and to the

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left. Um, please be sure to sign the
attendance sheet if you haven't already.

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Uh, it's on the back table along with
um, business cards with contact

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information for the planning department
should you need it. Um, also are copies

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of resolutions that will be read tonight
uh, along with a copy of the agenda.

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Please silence your cell phones so you
don't uh, disrupt the meeting and those

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speaking. And um please take any
conversations you may wish to have

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amongst yourselves out in the hallway
and close the door so you don't disturb

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those presenting. Thank you.
Susie, can you turn up the volume a

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little? Can everybody hear me? Okay.
Sort of. James is like wishy.

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All right. How's that? That sounds
better. Okay. Thank you. I don't hear

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myself. I kind of doubt you guys either
do. So,

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uh, we don't have any meeting minutes
for approval this evening. Um, any

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correspondence received, any
correspondence we would have had is in

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your packet from previous, uh, agendas
or in the current one. Um,

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board and committee updates. Jen, do you
have anything from the town board? No.

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Okay. Thank you. And Keith, planning
board update.

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Good evening. Keith Maynard, project
manager for the town of Victor. Uh your

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next planning board meeting is Tuesday,
September 22nd at 7 PM. Uh two new

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agenda items, both with public hearings.
The first one is Lmenso short-term

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rental special use permit. Uh
application is requesting approval for

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three-year renewal for short-term rental
out of their home on 1227 Red Fox Run.

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uh and they received the initial
approval on September 23rd, 2025 for a

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one-year term. Uh and then the second
one is the Weatherhold site plan at 375

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Log Cabin Road. Um this is coming to you
because it's in the LD. The applicant is

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requesting approval to construct a
wooden deck on the rear face of the

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home. Also, um removing an open hearth
chimney. Um so yeah, it's the exterior

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part of the chimney removal that is
again triggered because of LDD. Any

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questions?
I think so. Thank you, Keith.

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» Thank you.

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» First item of the agenda tonight is the
Kumat screen room. Uh this is 280

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Railroad Mills owners Grace Kumat. I
hope I'm speak saying that correctly.

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Applicants requesting approval to
construct 120 foot detached screened in

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room for personal use and it's a limited
development district.

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Good

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evening. Hi.
>> Hi. Good evening.

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Um, yeah, it's pretty
just for the record, name and address.

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» Oh, sorry. Grace Kumat uh 280 Railroad
Mills Road.

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» Thank you.
>> Yeah. So, I'm building a small detached

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screen room um in the back of my house.
>> Mhm.

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» Because it's really pretty out there.
>> And the mosquitoes are awful. in the

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summertime. So,
>> yeah. And we have a couple of um

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exhibits up there that have come
through. Susie has the whole site plan,

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the house on the lower left.
Um and I think your screen room is on

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the back side in blue in that particular
one. Correct. Susie, is there anything

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else on uh in file on the screen?

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» Yeah, there's a couple. There's there's
some drawings I think we got of the

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screen
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» Oh,
so any questions from the board for the

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applicant, Al?
>> Well, I mean, it does seem very

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straightforward and don't have any
issues with what you've presented so

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far, but do you have any sketch of what
it looks like from an elevation

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perspect? Ah, there. Okay, that's the
first time I've seen

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» ask and you shall receive.
>> Yeah. So that's like framing and I

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assume it's open framing with screen on
the framing. Correct.

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» Yeah. And then it's going to have um
like a corrugated steel roof

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» that's red and it's it's pretty plain on
purpose.

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» Is the roof the same color as the house
roof?

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» Yeah.
>> Oh, okay. So, it's made to match. So,

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» yeah.
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» Okay.
>> I'm all set. Got it.

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» Thank you.
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I'm looking at the drawing. It looks
like it's going to be put in an

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inconspicuous location
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» or anyone who may be driving by. So I
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So
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» Um I have no questions or issues with
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» So um I read it has no heating elements,
no plumbing, does have electricity.

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» Um I might hook electricity up to it.
Um, but it depends. There's there's

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wiring on the house to hook up maybe,
but currently in the process of bringing

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all the wiring up to code, so that's
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do.
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» Something that would be part of your
building permit is showing all of that

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and needing the inspections for it and
that sort of thing. So,

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» okay. So, if I were to to just not do it
now and is it possible to add it later

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on down the line,
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have to get a mechanical permit from us.
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» A building permit.
>> Okay. Got it. Yeah.

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» So, building permit for this. And if it
didn't include electric or other

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utilities, then you'd have to come back
and get a permit to add that to it.

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» Okay. That's totally fine.
>> I could see having a se light and

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ceiling fan or something in there just
for the

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» for convenience and comfort. So, um,
yeah, I have no problems with it. U,

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it's always a good idea to get outside.
So, certainly, uh, looks like a good,

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uh, use of the space. Um, anyone from
the public since this is a public

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hearing?
Apparently not. I'll entertain a motion

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to close the public hearing.
>> Move.

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» Al moves.
>> Second.

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» And for seconds. All in favor?
>> I.

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» Okay. The public hearing is closed. Um,
we have uh no other comments except uh

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to offer Wes if he has any concerns.
>> No, no concerns on my part. Thanks.

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» Okay.
>> And I assume the foundations will show

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up in your building permit. Um they've
got to be certain depth to to support

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it. And unless it's slab on grade, I'm
not sure whether this qualifies the need

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for a 4ft foundation. Scott,
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that up to codes.
>> Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess you'll find

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out details once you submit your plans
for uh building permit. So, um,

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unless there's anything else, we do have
a resolution. This is pretty

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straightforward. I think the board's
fine with it. So, I'll read it. And

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» can I just say one thing, sir? I have
submitted the building permit and it's

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on just a patio slab.
>> Oh, slab on grade. Yeah.

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» Yeah. So,
>> okay. Yeah. It's not a living space

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probably doesn't
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» uh elevate to that level of requiring a
deep foundation or at least below frost

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line. So
um as long as it's well you know as long

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as the support the stone underneath it
is well drained you don't get the frosty

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for it and you're probably fine.
>> So okay I will read the resolution.

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Um so for the Kumat Street screen room
application 280 railroad mills road uh

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whereas the planning board made the
following findings effect there are six

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of them. Um now therefore be resolved
that the application by Grace Kumat's

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site plan entitled Kumat screen room
drawn by Venia professional land

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surveyors dated May 6, 2026 received by
the planning board July 31st, 2026.

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Planning board application 27 SP 2026 be
approved with the following conditions.

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Uh conditions that must be met prior to
chairman signing the site plan is uh

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standard. Second one, uh, sorry,
conditions that are ongoing, standard

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conditions that must be adhered to.
Those are both standard as well. And be

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it further resolved that the planning
board secretary distribute the planning

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board's approval letter. So on that
resolution, ask for a motion.

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» I'll move it.
>> Scott moves.

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» A second.
>> And Trish seconds. All in favor? I.

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» You're all set. See Lisa if you got any
questions. Okay.

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» Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.

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Second item, Yolicity Victor Crossing,
400 Commerce Drive. Applicants

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requesting approval for a site plan
modification to add an outdoor patio in

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front of a tenant space. Application
will include the removal of existing

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landscaping bed and replace with pavers
to match existing sidewalk pavers,

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installation of a new railing and
associated tables.

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Good evening, chairman, members of the
board. Matthew Oats with Benderson

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Development. Um, Lisa, did you by chance
have the colored

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» Yeah. Susie, can you go I think it's one
No, one more.

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» Keep going. There.
>> There we go. Okay.

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» Thank you.
>> So, what we are proposing is we have a

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new tenant, Yoli, taking this space
here, the former GameStop space. We are

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proposing to remove the landscaping bed
that is here and replacing it with

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pavers and then putting a railing around
the outside of it to allow for a patio.

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Um it is a decorative railing that will
be there. We have the comments from code

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in the fire marshall in regards to the
vehicle protection barriers. We

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resubmitted a detail for that one. We
had them spaced at 6'10 in. I know there

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was a comment from codes today that they
needed to be four.

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» We'll do whatever is needed from a code
compliance standpoint. We haven't

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specifically done them at 4 foot for
other. So, we just like to have that

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conversation, but whatever code says we
need to do, we'll do it and we will have

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the vehicle protection barriers in that
railing. So, whatever that spacing works

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out to be.
>> Um, overall, it's a new tenant. We're

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excited to have them. Yoli is a local
business within the Rochester area and

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they have two other locations. So, it's
not a national chain. It is a local

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business. And then in regards to the
sign, um it is code compliant. It's

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consistent with the materials and the
design of other signs in the plaza. Um

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it is their branding as well. So,
overall, we're excited to have them. We

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think it's a a really nice use in the
center. Happy to answer any questions

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the board has.
>> Okay. Um start at the other end. Trish,

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questions.
So, um I want to better understand the

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area that you're putting for seating up
front. Okay. Um I actually just um you

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know pulled it off of Google maps. So
I'm looking at it right now like dead on

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» Google.
I have the same view.

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» Do you have the same view?
>> Keep going.

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» Yeah.
>> This one.

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» Okay. Good.
>> That and then

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» Yeah, that was just for me to understand
it. I I pulled that image up.

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» Yeah. So
exactly how of how large of a space

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would the seating be? Would the seating
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» So what we are proposing is so it would
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actually think it would be farther.
>> Is it wider than

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» it's a little farther over but if you go
to the so basically though I'll use this

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as an example. There's an existing
landscaping bed. It's 10t long by

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approximately 4 foot deep. We're
proposing to remove that landscaping bed

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and fill it with pavers and then we'd
have two tables on the outside and then

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one table up on the inside by the store
which then provides a walkway in

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between. So it would allow for three
tables in that area.

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» So it's the I don't know if you could
show me with the pointer. So it starts

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where the the ground area
>> that's not the specific

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» the other screen
>> if you go to the site. So yes. So then

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that would be
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» It would then be here. So we're keeping
this open because that's the walkway

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directly into the store.
>> Then we're keeping this open because

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that's the walkway directly into then
pliables as well on the other side. So

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it's right here. So there'd be one table
up here. You'd be proposing two tables

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out here and that keeps the pedestrian
walkway in the middle of the two. It's

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not a large area, so there's not a large
number of tables that can be placed

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there, but we're proposing there'd be
three tables out there.

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» So, the two walkways in would not be
compromised.

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» Correct. That's why we're removing this.
Yeah, because we're keeping this walkway

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and then we're keeping this walkway as
well. The railing will then run along

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here. We'll have a return on both sides
of that railing to kind of define the

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patio area and then both walkways here
and here will still be kept open because

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you want to keep that walkway to the
doors of each tenant space. Yes.

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» And then the barriers as you mentioned
you would comply to the 4oot.

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» So we will comply with putting in
vehicers

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the steel ballards going down in the
concrete approximately I believe it's 4

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foot down. We'll comply with that.
Absolutely no issues whatsoever. I don't

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know if the specific code section
applies to the patio. So, I just want to

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have a conversation with codes about the
4 foot versus the 6'10 that we

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previously provided. But we would take a
condition of the approval. Whatever

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codes determined is the spacing we will
do. So, if they re-review it, we have

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the conversation, it's determined 4
foots needed, we'll do a 4 foot. I just

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haven't had a conver have a conversation
with Frank or Adam about that

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specifically.
Okay. But I wouldn't want to hold up

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approval on that one because we will do
what's required per code to obtain the

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the proper permit and whatever they say.
I just haven't had that conversation

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with them specifically. The 4oot spacing
was the first I'd seen when I saw that

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earlier this afternoon from Lisa
>> and and that'll show up in the plans

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before
Labella and and I signed the plans. So

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that'll be teched.
>> Okay. Anything else, Trish?

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» Nope, that's it. Thank you.
>> Um, no, I don't think so. I mean, it

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just looks like we're losing
landscaping, right? And there's no plans

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to
>> use that somewhere else or

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» Correct. There are no specific plans to
replace that landscaping. Our our

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general opinion is I think we've done a
pretty good job out there overall with

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landscaping and really enhancing that
center and and going really above and

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beyond what we would consider code
minimums and always kind of enhancing

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it. So, no, we weren't specifically
looking to replace this, but I mean,

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we're always every spring we bring in
flowers. Every fall we bring in mums, so

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we consistently still do additional
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» I have no more comments.
>> No questions.

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» Okay. As do I. I think we're um as long
as you're satisfying that one concern

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from code.
>> Yeah. So, yeah. However, in the end,

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Adam and Frank, whatever we wind up,
we'll do that. Yep. For sure.

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» Okay. Um, Wes, I think from Labella, I
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» Yeah, we provided a letter uh just today
on a on a couple things and and I think

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the applicant has addressed each of each
of our comments. Number one, uh it's a

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type two action. Number two, uh the
seating location and the amenities. We

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did ask them to maybe just we wanted to,
you know, compare any existing outdoor

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seating areas in the plaza uh and
compare it to uh what's proposed here.

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And uh the other the other thought was,
you know, would there be the other

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landscape bed uh immediately west of of
what you're seeing or what they're

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proposing? Would that be a better
location or would that be a suitable

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location? it only because it's
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crosswalk. Um, I don't think it's I
don't think it's critical. Um, I'd be

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happy to show you my screen so you can
see what I'm talking about, but and then

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uh anything with regard to the signage.
I don't really have any specific

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comments about about signage other than
uh there were some design considerations

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in the code, but um as long as you're
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» Okay. Um, I didn't ask the board, but
the sign. Anyone have an issue with the

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signage? It's it's strictly letters,
which is what we've tried to work for on

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this whole plaza. So, it's not a big
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It's
minimal the way I see it. But, um, Al,

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any
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» I agree.
>> Yeah.

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» Any comments? Okay. So,
>> and we did look at the comment of

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looking shifting to the west. The one
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door is actually offset slightly. So,
then if you put the patio on that side,

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it would actually expand slightly into
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So, by keeping it where we were able to
center it almost even though it extends

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into the pliable space, it still is kind
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So, it didn't impact the doors. So, it
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one than the one on the other side.
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um it's I forget which where which space
is it? Is it right in the middle or

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» correct? So it's it's there. So it winds
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Wes had mentioned possibly this one. But
the door for gray clips is also right

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there. So if we use this one, the patio
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little bit.
>> When we use this one, it stays open. The

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pliables door is centered on this one
and then the ulicity is centered on that

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one. So it just worked out a little bit
better from a pedestrian access

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standpoint, which is why I went with
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» And it looks like it's you're
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or now seating. So
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» So it's not unbalanced, I guess.
Okay. Um, so the only

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I guess revision or um
condition I guess that we'd need to look

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to add in here is the spacing based on
the comments and maybe

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well let me read this through and then
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building permit for the patio anyway. So
I think it would have to be

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» at that point has to be co-compliant
anyway. So however to get that we have

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to
>> Yeah. And I forgot this is a public

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hearing. I should have opened it up the
floor if there's anyone here who has any

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questions or comments for the applicant.
>> Seeing none, entertain a motion to close

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the public hearing.
>> I'll move.

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» I'll move.
>> I'll second.

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» Got second. All in favor?
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» Okay.
>> And Joe, I did put a code fire marshall

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and label comment still to address.
Okay. On the back.

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» So they'll be addressed. Yeah. All
right. That's good.

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Sounds like we got it covered with the
the draft that Lisa put together. So

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having said that on the resolution
Victor Crossing Yolkitty site plan 400

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to 441 Commerce Drive application 26 SP
2026 whereas the planning board may the

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following findings effect there are
eight of them. Uh, now therefore be it

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resolved that the applicant of Benderson
Development Company LLC, 570 Delaware

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Avenue, Buffalo, New York, site plan
modifications for Victor Crossing, Oak

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City site plan received by the planning
board August 5th, 2026. Planning board

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site plan application number 26 SP 2026
be approved with the following

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conditions.
Uh, conditions to be addressed prior to

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chairman's signature.
Uh, number one is standard. Number two,

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that comments from code enforcement
officer dated September 8th, 2026 be

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addressed. Number three, that comments
from the fire marshall dated September

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8th, 2026 be addressed. Number four,
that comments from Labella Associates

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dated September 8th, 2026 be addressed.
Ongoing conditions, uh, all three of

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them are standard and be it further
resolved that the planning board

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secretary distribute the appropriate
standard conditions with the planning

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board's approval letter.
So on the resolution as reading

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for a motion.
>> I move.

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» I'll move.
>> I'll second.

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» Scott got seconds. All in favor? I
married 4.

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» Thank you very much everyone. Have a
great evening.

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» Thank you too. Going back to Buffalo.
>> Nope. I'll just be

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» Oh, you're here. Okay. On the corner
now. Thankfully.

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» Lucky you.

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» Okay.

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Number three, Woods at Valentine section
24 final uh subdivision. This is not a

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public hearing. Uh so at High Point, um
applicants requesting final approval for

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71 for sale townhouse units, one
fourstory apartment building with 100

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units. The section within section 2 to
4. Um,

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I don't know if this should have read
for sections two and four.

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» Um, I just
>> one I think it was the other one I took

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out the apartment.
>> Yeah. All right. James knows what we're

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doing.
>> Yeah. It's two and four.

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» Yeah. So for the public anyway, it's um
it's sections two and four with sections

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three um to be proposed or forwarded at
a later date. So

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» good evening, James.
>> Good evening everyone. Uh my name is

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James Grios. I'm with BME Associates. Um
just a kind of a quick update from when

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we were here two weeks ago. Um since
that time, um we did provide written

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responses to Labella's comments as well
as the conservation board comments. Um,

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with that letter, we included updated
plans that reflected some of the changes

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we discussed last time, the removal of
section three from the plans officially.

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Um, adding sidewalks along both the
drives, so it's all concrete now instead

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of natural surface everywhere. Um, as
well as

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um noting that the fence is final fence
is to be brown. Um, those are like the

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main changes. Everything else is kind of
u small plan tweaks. Um, since then we

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did get some additional comments from
code enforcement, the town construction

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inspector, and Farmington Water and
Sewer. We provided written responses to

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those. Um, again, it's just kind of
minor things. There was some discussions

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with Farmington Water and Sewer and code
enforcement or the inspector about um,

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services entering the townhouse units
below the garages. Um, they all have

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basement, so they're a little bit more
accessible than slab on grade buildings.

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Um and obviously we can have the uh home
builders install sleeves to make it

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easier to replace those so they don't
have to go and um you know jack up the

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floor in the future which is obviously
um problematic. But um we also um today

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um after the meeting last week with the
neighbors council attending um we've had

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several discussions with u my client
applicant and his council and earlier

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today we issued a letter to him
notifying them that they have until 5:00

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p.m. on Thursday to either accept the
conveyance of land and the easement as

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it's currently proposed. Yep. And here's
a exhibit of that. So again the the

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green is the area that we offer to
convey to him which is 27 by I think uh

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around 160 ft as well as the small
easement for the well. Uh this is how we

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submitted the final plans. This is what
we had agreed upon before. Um, obviously

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the neighbor has since um rescended his
agreement with that, but um, as I

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mentioned, our our attorney, our council
has signed a letter asking him to accept

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this as is or to remove all his
encroachments from our property. Um, and

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then obviously we'll go from there. Um,
our discussions with the town attorney

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were that this shouldn't um, hold up
anything with site plan approval um, and

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that we should be able to move forward.
This is a private property dispute

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between um the applicant and the
adjacent property owner. Um in the short

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term, obviously, we don't have any
development proposed in this area of the

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site. So depending on how everything
kind of unfolds, uh we will um obviously

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wait for this response and then once we
get that, we will be adjusting our plans

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to either leave it as is and make the
couple tweaks we need to based on code

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enforcements comments or remove the
easements, remove the subdivision, and

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then we'll kind of revert some of the
the site notes and things back to the

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the full property as applicable. Um
besides that, we just have a couple

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other small things to revise on the
plans from the comments we received. Um

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code enforcements are asking us to
provide some additional easement

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monumentation for the easements. Um I
wasn't aware that there was a every 200

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feet requirement. So we need to add a
couple more on some of the long linear

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sections as well as
um the Farmington Water and Sewer asked

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us to revise all the outside drop
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which is a good idea. I didn't know
Farmington Water and Sewer um actually

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changed that standard last year.
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earlier today and he also didn't know
that. That's why that comment is three

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or four rounds into comments and reviews
for them. Um but that makes sense. It's

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it's a lot easier to access and do
maintenance on an inside drop connection

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than trying to dig 20 ft down along the
outside of a manhole to get to it. So,

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changes we are happy to make. Um I can I
know Wes, you weren't here at the last

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meeting. I can go over some of the
conservation easements again if you

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would like really quickly. Um, this
right here is our existing conservation

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easement exhibit that we provided to the
town board uh that we reviewed with them

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a couple weeks ago. We also reviewed
this with the conservation board a

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couple weeks ago as well. Um, green are
the conservation easements that we're

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proposing to um dissolve. And then the
other easements we're proposing to

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dissolve are these red ones. Uh, this
was a storm sewer ement, an old water

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main easement, and another storm sewer
easement. So those uh I think it's four

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conservation and three7 easements there.
Everything else is staying. Yellows are

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existing drainage easements. Pink uh
these are the larger conservation

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easements through the center of the road
where Victor Trails is going to be

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working on or Victor Parks and Rock is
going to be working on the trails with

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us. Uh and then this red ement here is a
conservation ement from the constructed

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wetlands that we did when we uh did the
wetland mitigation, you know, several

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years ago. if you wouldn't mind going to
the next one, please.

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» Uh, there was two slide. There's two
slides in there.

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» Two slides.

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» Well, if you want to go back to that one
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I can kind of
>> I do have it in the drop box.

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» Yeah, I might be able to bring it up
here.

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» Yeah, Wes can bring it.
>> We'll get it up for you.

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» I mean, basically, they're they're in
approximately the same location as we

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discussed last time. The only thing that
we changed was we added a one that goes

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along uh this property line here on the
back of these townhouse lots just to

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make sure that those trees stay in
there. Um areas are approximately the

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same. I think if um you my suggestion
would be as if the Mr. Rua doesn't

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accept our proposal, I'll probably just
incorporate

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the land along that property line that
we were going to convey to him in that

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conservation easement just to make sure
that those trees always stay there. Um

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no other
>> do you have a contingency for

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that if for the fence
>> we were going to leave everything

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proposed as is currently. Um so we're
still proposing to do the fence on um

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the entire eastern and northern boundary
up to where the

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» well
>> up to where the well is that won't

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change won't change all that. It's just
>> the same landscaping same same

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everything. We're just going to ask him
to remove his stuff and then like I said

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we can incorporate that into a
conservation easement or kind of work

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through that a little bit.
>> Okay.

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Um, kind of besides that, I think those
are really the main small updates since

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last week. I'm happy to answer any
questions obviously about the project or

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or anything else moving forward.
>> Wes is working on

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bringing up that.
>> Yeah. Does does the uh propos do the

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proposed conservation easements does
that graphic look like a lot like the

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one that you had?
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aerial background. It's just a black and
white.

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» It's just black and white. Yeah, it was
the second page in that PDF. It had two

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drawings, an existing and proposed
>> is the stuff I added at the very end.

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00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:54,720
I
>> think I did this to you last time.

415
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:59,240
» Not that one right there.
>> No, no, that's the that's the cover

416
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,240
sheet.

417
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,799
Let me hit refresh.

418
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:12,039
Not sure if I have any.

419
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,080
» Not the encroachment exhibit.
>> No,

420
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:27,080
I think I have them with me.
>> There was like four things added at the

421
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,080
very

422
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:32,600
» Oh,
last section.

423
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:37,520
There's pages.

424
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:49,519
That was the the letter as well as the
two exhibits that we submitted to the

425
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,640
town board. Um so the the black and
white there basically kind of same

426
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:57,200
pattern. The green are the proposed
conservation easements. Uh the red on

427
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,240
that are going to be all the access and
utility easements or storm sewer

428
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,279
easements. And then there is a small
expansion to the drainage easement

429
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:08,399
around the storm water facility to
accommodate the expansion of that.

430
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:12,720
» Yeah, upon quick glance, this looks this
looks adequate, right, in terms of

431
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:16,159
replacing the easements that you're
going to dissolve.

432
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:20,000
» Yeah, I think we we lost about a tenth
of an acre total from what we used to

433
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:23,760
have to now. Obviously kind of working
around the grading and stuff, but again,

434
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,559
if the neighbor doesn't agree to this,
we can add his tenth of an acre that we

435
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,640
were going to convey to him into that
and be at the same area.

436
00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:38,080
Okay.
>> Yeah. I don't have any comments on the

437
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,799
on the ements.
>> Anybody have any questions regarding

438
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,799
those?
>> I don't have a question on the

439
00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:48,640
easements.
>> Okay. We'll get to them in a minute.

440
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:51,640
Okay.
Um

441
00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:00,000
I guess we'll just open up for other
questions. Scott, you want to

442
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:04,159
» I guess the question I had from the last
meeting we had in the um the attorney

443
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:08,159
who spoke about the conveyance and
everything. The question in my mind is

444
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:12,559
why not treat that area as a permanent
easement versus a property conveyance is

445
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,039
would a permanent easement be an easier
way to do it and just

446
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,960
» that was what we originally proposed.
That was what was on the preliminary

447
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:24,320
plans that you guys approved was was an
easement and and stuff to him. So it was

448
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:28,640
after that where the condition you guys
had for us to try and resolve it between

449
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:31,519
us. We we worked more which was we're
going to convey the land to you to try

450
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:36,159
and make it cleaner. So you're not
dealing with an easement from a

451
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:39,760
homeowner. However, um we can't convey
the well again without causing ourselves

452
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:43,840
some setback issues and obviously
process delays because of that. So we

453
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,799
were going to convey the land and give
him an easement on just the well. I

454
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,960
think it ends up being like a 5x5
easement. It just seem it just seems to

455
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:56,000
me to be a cleaner way to do it than the
conveyance because like the attorney

456
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:59,120
said last time, you know, if you want to
get done to brass tax, you know, maybe

457
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,519
you're looking at a subdivision, maybe
you're looking at a variance. Those were

458
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:06,720
the things that he put out there. I just
I just think well, first of all, I think

459
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,960
you've done an excellent job in trying
to resolve the issue. I'm just trying to

460
00:34:08,879 --> 00:34:13,839
see if there's something simple that can
satisfy the parties and maybe what was

461
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,520
originally proposed was the best
solution. That's that's just what the

462
00:34:16,399 --> 00:34:21,040
way I see it.
>> Sure. I think I mean that'd be fine with

463
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:25,599
us if that's the if he wants to accept
it that way. I think obviously we've

464
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,320
kind of gone beaten this um horse a
little bit.

465
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,000
» Yeah.
>> Um at this point. So I mean that's why I

466
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,359
think you know once council got involved
we're kind of this is our our path

467
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,839
forward now. So I hopefully he accepts
it and we can

468
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:40,800
» we can do that. Um,
>> I I just think maybe if I were in your

469
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:44,960
shoes, it might tend to trip me up when
I'm ready to break ground or something.

470
00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:50,560
There's some sort of legal issue that
emerges and I'm just looking at it from

471
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:53,520
that perspective. But, um, that was one
comment I had. And then another comment

472
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:57,440
I had was just I I think from our
sitewalk um I noticed I think I recall

473
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,200
that there's a big area that you're
going to be filling. I think it's

474
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:06,400
section three, right? that's kind of
between section two and four and and

475
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:10,160
that's going to be masqueraded and and
filled quite a bit I think. Right.

476
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,079
» Um there's a little bit of fill. Most of
the fill actually I think goes into

477
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:17,920
section one um on on the lower part
here. Uh but section two and four I'm

478
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:21,920
positive are in cut. Section three and
one are both in fill. So we're going to

479
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,760
take dirt from two and four and put it
into three and one and basically still

480
00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:29,200
mass grade section three and section
one, you know, all at the same time. So,

481
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,240
so my comment just relates to a comment
that I've made before on other projects,

482
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:36,160
which is that when you get into deep
fills, wherever you have deep fills, I

483
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,960
don't know exactly where they may or may
not be, you know, getting the right

484
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:46,160
compaction um is is really important.
And I think uh adding compaction notes

485
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:52,000
and in some cases getting um some sort
of technical um advice from a geotech

486
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,359
and and an inspection here and there is
really a good thing uh to avoid

487
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,480
foundation issues.
>> Yep. I believe foundation design is

488
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:04,160
actually engaged with us already. We
have done some geotechnical testing. Um

489
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:07,359
the fills in section three would be
primarily under the parking area that

490
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,400
obviously has a full depth garage
basement. So we're well cut and

491
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,200
everywhere the building's going to be.
Um but we will add some additional

492
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,359
compaction. That's a good
recommendation.

493
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,320
» Those are my comments.
>> Okay, Trish.

494
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:24,720
» I don't have any questions.
>> Okay, Al.

495
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:29,200
» All right. Um, as am I. I I uh I'll echo
Scott's comment about you've done a good

496
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:33,920
job with
conflicts and getting the things that

497
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:38,640
you know addressing all of our comments
and codes and everyone. So,

498
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:44,560
handlebellas.
So, um

499
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:49,200
it sounds like the only real outstanding
item for sections two and four is the

500
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:53,599
easement, but that's not really an item
for us to address.

501
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:55,520
down the road. It's something that you
you'll end up resolving one way or

502
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,520
another.
>> We'll know by Thursday at 5:00 PM which

503
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,640
way we're going to go and obviously
we'll inform the town of how we're going

504
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,359
to proceed and we're going to provide
you guys plans based on whatever that

505
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:09,520
decision is.
>> Yeah. And so what you're showing there

506
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,680
is fencing, landscaping, trees, and
things. It won't change no matter which

507
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,359
way you go.
>> Correct. All the the fencing, the

508
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:19,119
landscaping, the you're going to end up
with the same condition out there. It's

509
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:24,400
just who owns what.
>> Okay. And I guess what's what strikes me

510
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:29,200
is the intent. What you're doing is to
resolve the issue. You're not ignoring

511
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:33,040
the issue. You're not um trying to make
it someone else's problem. You're you

512
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:36,880
are addressing the issue with some
genuine proposals that are doable. So

513
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,839
» yeah, and I think, you know, on behalf
of my client, I think he's been very

514
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,920
accommodating through the whole process
with multiple sitewalks and, you know,

515
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,960
receiving input and suggestions from the
board, the conservation board about how

516
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:53,760
to do all this. So, um, you know, I'd
like like to hope that the board's

517
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:58,079
willing to kind of, you know, t take an
action being that that's kind of the

518
00:37:55,119 --> 00:38:03,760
last unresolved issue that isn't quite
um, you know, under our control.

519
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:07,680
» Mhm. So, yeah, we do have a draft um,
resolution

520
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:15,680
um, anticipating. You want a copy of it,
James? Lisa's got one for you.

521
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:19,920
» So, um, if you guys are okay,
>> Mhm. This resolution, this is for

522
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:24,720
sections two and four final High Point
Drive Woods at Valent

523
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:29,359
FS2026.
This does not include section three and

524
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:33,040
section one has already been approved.
So,

525
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:39,760
um whereas the planning board made the
following findings in fact and there are

526
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:44,480
14 of them.
Uh whereas town engineer findings

527
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:49,359
summarized in Labella's August 25th,
2026 letter describe,

528
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,880
sorry,
I actually brought my glasses this time.

529
00:38:53,920 --> 00:39:00,720
Uh describe ongoing evaluation of the
project sponsors projected sanitary

530
00:38:57,839 --> 00:39:04,160
sewer demands that reveal uh anticipated
flows could overwhelm the town's

531
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:09,040
sanitary sewer conveyance system in
areas downstream from the project and

532
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:13,839
that further evaluation is required for
of the full buildout. And whereas the

533
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:17,920
town engineer feels that sanitary sewer
conveyance system can accommodate

534
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:22,160
section two and section four of the
project. But the town engineer cannot

535
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:27,280
confirm section 3 could be accommodated
by the town's sanitary sewer conveyance

536
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:32,400
system. And whereas the planning board
finds that section 3 100 unit apartment

537
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:37,280
building should be removed from the
application under review. And whereas

538
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:42,400
the applicant and project sponsor have
provided an update updated subdivision

539
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:47,119
plan set that was removed section three
and seeks approval for sections two and

540
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:52,560
four only. The amended application. Now
therefore, be it resolved that the

541
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,839
planning board hereby waves section 2792
of the design and construction standards

542
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:01,599
to allow for roof drainage to be
discharged onto splash blocks for the

543
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:05,119
rear of the townhouse buildings. And be
it further resolved that the amended

544
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:09,839
application of commercial street partner
64 commercial street 401 Rochester New

545
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:16,880
York subdivision entitled Woods at
Valenttown section 2 and 4 drawn by BME

546
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:23,680
associates associates dated July 21st
2026 received by the planning board July

547
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:29,440
21st 2026 last revised September 2nd
2026 planning board application to FS

548
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:32,640
2026 be approved with the following
conditions.

549
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,880
conditions to be addressed prior to the
chairman's signature on the site plan.

550
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:42,160
Uh number one is standard. Number two,
that comments from Obell Associates

551
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:46,000
dated August 25th, 2026 be addressed.
Number three, that comments from code

552
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:52,320
enforcement off the code officer dated
September 3rd, 2026 be addressed. Number

553
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:57,040
four, that comments from con the from
construction inspector dated September

554
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:00,240
3rd, 2026 be addressed. Number five,
that comments from the town of

555
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:05,119
Farmington Water and Sewward September
4th, 2026 be addressed. Ongoing

556
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:08,640
conditions
uh number one is standard. Number two,

557
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,880
the building design plan shall be
consistent with the elevations and

558
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:17,599
details drawn by Hanland Architects and
dated to March 24th, 2026

559
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:20,640
and be further resolved that the
planning board secretary distribute the

560
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:25,359
planning board's approval letter.
>> Joe, can I add two things? under ongoing

561
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,800
um building permits be attained prior to
construction. Also a precon meeting.

562
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:31,119
» Okay.
>> Before.

563
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:35,680
» All right. Lisa will get updated.
>> Please also add uh the letter of credit

564
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,520
» as part of LeBella's uh comments, but I
can add that too.

565
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,160
» Okay. Yes, please.
>> Okay.

566
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:42,880
» Thank you.
>> That's an ongoing the letter of credit.

567
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:48,319
I assume
we'll put those three down and um those

568
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:55,280
will appear in the final
as this is a draft. Okay. So, um, on the

569
00:41:52,160 --> 00:42:01,040
draft just read with the additions from
Lisa and Keith.

570
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,800
Um, do I hear motion for approval?
>> I'll move it.

571
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,119
» Scott moves.
>> I'll second.

572
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:09,280
» And Trish second. All in favor?
>> I. Carried. 40.

573
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:13,040
» Off and running. James.
>> Thank you guys very much. We'll uh be in

574
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,200
touch on the kind of little remaining
items and go from there. Thank you very

575
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,560
much.
>> About that.

576
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:20,560
» Thank you.

577
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:34,800
All right. Uh, last item on the agenda
this evening. Nova Rice preliminary

578
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:40,400
subdivision. This is still an open
public hearing. Owner morale team in

579
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:45,280
motion. RKH Golf Incorporated.
Applicants requesting approval to

580
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:49,760
construct a 76 lot clustered subdivision
on 158.2 2 acre parcel that includes

581
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:52,560
three parcels.
Good evening.

582
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,880
» Good evening. Matt Tomlinson, Marathon
Engineering, joined by Rich and Bill

583
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,520
with the Morell team. I know we're a
regular uh attendee at the meetings

584
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:05,599
lately.
>> So are we.

585
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:09,200
» Um so I obviously we've made uh some
progress towards seeker and hopefully

586
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:13,599
we're getting to the point where
preliminary uh overall subdivision

587
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:17,200
approval uh is coming. But I know that
there's been several items uh of

588
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,640
discussion over the last couple of
meetings that I just wanted to give an

589
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:25,920
update on before uh turning it back over
to the board. Um, we had received

590
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:32,319
comments uh from code enforcement dated
August 25th and had uh supplied revised

591
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:38,400
drawings back to the town dated 93
addressing those comments as well as

592
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:45,359
reflecting the modification of lot 34
and changing the location of that from

593
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:51,839
where it was adjacent to uh the existing
subdivision. Sorry, not sure my red dot

594
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:58,480
is uh appearing.
uh on the on the south uh west side of

595
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:04,160
the building or of the road, excuse me,
next to the adjacent subdivision and

596
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:08,480
relocating that uh to this area at the
southeast corner of our proposed

597
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:11,839
roadways. And that necessitated a slight
shift in the alignment, taking up some

598
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:16,560
of the real estate from the larger
corner lot there on the north side of

599
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:20,560
that intersection as well. I know that
we had uh discussed a couple of

600
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:25,599
different options with the board at the
last meeting. Uh we provided uh

601
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:30,800
additional renderings or representations
of what that actually was going to look

602
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:35,440
like uh with the photo simulations uh
along that side representing it. And I

603
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:41,200
think that there were a couple of
additional things that uh walking away

604
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:45,599
from last meeting in addition to those
that I just mentioned returning the

605
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:51,359
plans uh revised back to the town and
that was uh potential impact on schools

606
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:56,640
and impact on traffic as we considered
those for Seeker. Uh I believe that the

607
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,599
uh traffic discussion, we had submitted
a uh traffic letter with our original

608
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:05,520
application and report, but Wes was
going to have uh his uh traffic folks

609
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:10,640
kind of take a look at that and give the
town some feedback. But before I turn

610
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:15,200
that over to him, uh we did get asked uh
relative to schools and impact. So we've

611
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:20,480
done a couple of calculations. I just
wanted to walk um the board through and

612
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:24,560
I know Bill has reached out to the
school district. they have uh indicated

613
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:28,640
to him that they plan on giving him a
letter, but with the first week of

614
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:32,960
school uh that has not come yet. Um but
just running through uh some of the

615
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,319
there's been quite a few studies for
Ontario County specifically as it

616
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:41,440
relates to housing needs and a lot of
that included data uh based on the

617
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:47,040
census for size of households, number of
children under five, over five and under

618
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:53,440
18 and and from that standpoint. So um
this is all based on the latest census

619
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:58,880
data. Uh the average in town of Victor
2.32

620
00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:03,520
persons per household. 4.2% of the
Victor's population is under five years

621
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:10,800
old. 22.5%
under 18. So about 18 uh.3%

622
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:15,280
of the town of Victor population would
be school age being uh 6 to 18 or 5 to

623
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:21,200
18.
So 72 units being the number of new

624
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:25,760
houses that we're proposing. Uh I round
it up because a half a kid is tough to

625
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:31,760
uh figure out, but 31 kids within the
development at full buildout based on

626
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:37,280
those averages across townwide. Um in
the whole town of Victor, which the last

627
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:42,640
was about 16,000 persons, so about 3,000
people. So 30 to 3,000 about 1% roughly

628
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:46,960
um for the total school age population
within the town of Victor. Obviously,

629
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:50,880
the district expands outside of town
limits, covers the village, that kind of

630
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:55,200
thing. But just trying to give a
framework as far as impact. Those 30

631
00:46:53,680 --> 00:47:00,079
kids are not going to be there year one,
right? We've got about a year of

632
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:06,079
construction. Uh 15 to 20 houses a year
roughly is the anticipated buildout. So,

633
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:10,400
uh this would be uh school age children
3 and a half years after buildout. So,

634
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:16,720
call it 4 and a half to 5 years from
now. So 2031 roughly before uh the

635
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:21,119
potential for that full impact uh being
assimilated within the existing school

636
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,839
district. So I think when you start
looking at just those numbers and and

637
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:31,119
what it really means um you know 8 to 10
children per year across or excuse me

638
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:35,599
six to eight children per year across
four to five years on the buildout is

639
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:40,800
quite a small impact from a number of
students uh specific to this to this

640
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,440
development. Um, so I just wanted to
share that with the board because I know

641
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:48,079
we hadn't really talked numbers before
just kind of in generalities as far as

642
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:51,839
potential impact there and uh I didn't
know if there was any additional

643
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:56,240
questions that the board had or things
uh that were discussed that I ne

644
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,240
neglected to mention some of the other
questions as it related to the seeker

645
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:03,119
review. Uh gas and electric will serve
letters were requested. We provided

646
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:07,359
those to the town. So, I think that
those were the the key items as it

647
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,880
related to secret review and moving
forward to that preliminary overall

648
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:17,920
subdivision approval.
>> Um, what was is there a plan for natural

649
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:20,319
gas lines in this or can't this does the
state prohibit that now? I'm not sure

650
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,920
how that works.
>> We have will serve for both gas and

651
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,960
electric and under the current current
rules right now that's what we are

652
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:34,079
planning on.
>> Right. Anybody any questions um

653
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,400
regarding the school and numbers? Trish,
>> you're probably the closest to the

654
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:43,760
school district.
>> Yeah. On the school board for nine

655
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:50,880
years. Um so you said you spoke to the
district in regards to the estimates or

656
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:55,920
» No. Uh so we had been asked and Bill can
speak a little bit better to this but um

657
00:48:52,960 --> 00:49:00,079
the numbers are just spec specific to
the census and the average household

658
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,800
size that kind of thing. Uh our
experience with schools and we're

659
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,880
working through this in other
municipalities right now. They're very

660
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:10,800
hesitant to say there's room for them.
There isn't because it's very hard to

661
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:14,319
forecast whether or not kids go to
private school, families move into the

662
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:19,040
district and Victor that happens all the
time, right? Um, but from a specifics,

663
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:23,920
yes, we have room for them or no, we
haven't. They usually are not putting

664
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:27,760
that in black and white. Um, I'll let
Bill speak specifically to the

665
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:32,800
discussion with the Victor School
District for this one.

666
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:36,480
» What I did is I um took the data we have
from Wolsburg Park. So, that's been

667
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:40,960
being built out for the last four years
and we did an exact study of how many

668
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:45,680
children are uh impacting the school
district. So, and it relates exactly to

669
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,760
what the averages are. I think when I I
went high with Victor schools, I think I

670
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:55,280
said the impact over four years starting
in 2028 will be approximately 10 to 12

671
00:49:52,640 --> 00:50:00,559
school age children per year. Um, and
then a total in that range of 30 to 40

672
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:04,640
children um overall for the whole
subdivision.

673
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:12,000
So, that's what we've asked them for
feedback on. Um so again we anticipate

674
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:15,200
communication coming in short order but
you know from an overall number

675
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:20,800
standpoint and that being phased in over
a number of years from a seeker

676
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:25,119
standpoint um there would be a an
additional demand on community services

677
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:29,839
which is the threshold for consideration
for seeker but overall especially

678
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:33,119
compared to uh the overall number of
kids within the school district uh I

679
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:37,440
think no or small impact would be
appropriate for

680
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:40,720
I would just be interested to see, you
know, their response since they're being

681
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,000
asked just because they're they've had
projects stalled because of the electric

682
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:49,520
rate issues.
>> So, it's I'd be interested to see their

683
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:52,480
response to the um the number of growth
because they're they're having their own

684
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,800
challenges right now.
>> Sure.

685
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,880
» I'm just curious to see
>> and in this case, we have several

686
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:02,319
projects that are stalled by by gas and
electric. In this case, we do have the

687
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:06,640
will serve letters and and they've
committed to as long as we break ground

688
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:11,040
within certain time frames and that kind
of thing to move forward with the

689
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:15,520
installation of the infrastructure.
>> Thank you.

690
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:20,160
» I remember when you did your project in
Fisers and we asked you to look at the

691
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:24,160
school data and and I I was interested
to see that the data showed that things

692
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:27,920
were relatively flat in terms of the
enrollment at the Victor schools. And I

693
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:33,119
think that's kind of what I was looking
for in this one. maybe a refresher,

694
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:36,720
if you will, of that data, seeing if
that is still close to a horizontal line

695
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:41,119
or if it's going up like that or what
it's doing. That that was my curiosity.

696
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:46,240
I mean, I agree with the numbers that
you've presented, you're not I think it

697
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:50,800
is a small to no impact. I I agree with
that. I'm I'm just curious when we take

698
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:55,760
a look at your project along with all
the other projects that are going on

699
00:51:52,800 --> 00:52:00,400
simultaneously. Um, I'm curious to know
how that's being um felt by the uh by

700
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:04,800
the school board. It seems like things
are kind of busy over there. Um, that's

701
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:09,359
my comment. That's all I have.
>> Yeah, you've got your all the

702
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,920
contributions from our neighboring town.
>> Yes, we do.

703
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:14,000
» Arlington is building like crazy as much
as anybody.

704
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:20,000
» Right,
>> Al? Well, I think uh the applicant has

705
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:24,880
done the due diligence as we requested
and uh again it is a cumulative effect

706
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:27,359
over multiple projects. I think that
continues to have an impact on the

707
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:32,160
school but that again that's just
something that the school will have to

708
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:35,680
continue to find you know solutions for.
So

709
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:43,040
» just my quick question
the housing that you're proposing is um

710
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:49,440
do you call that starter homes? I mean,
are are these would you more likely or

711
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:53,200
would the average that you're stating
about average kids per house or

712
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,559
household
apply?

713
00:52:55,119 --> 00:53:00,880
Would these houses houses houses fit
that um character characteristic? I

714
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:07,200
mean, it's not million-dollar homes.
They're not, you know, apartments. So

715
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:10,720
they're is that something that you would
say is this is kind of like the average

716
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:15,520
thing that families are looking forward
when they too when they come into Victor

717
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,680
to because they like the schools for
instance.

718
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:22,880
» Absolutely. The schools are a draw. No
question. Um and the uh again mirroring

719
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:27,280
Wolfsburgger because it's going to be
the same product. Um there are some

720
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:32,640
well-healed first-time home buyers
because that threshold to own a new home

721
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:39,280
is above 500,000 today and close to
600,000. Um, but we do have quite a few

722
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:43,119
people that are in uh right sizing. Some
some people say downsizing. I get around

723
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:47,119
and say right sizing is sometimes a
kitchen's twice the size of the colonial

724
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,640
you're moving out of. But um so there's
a lot of empty nesters that'll build the

725
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:55,839
ranches or one and a half stories uh
amongst uh the two stories. But yes,

726
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:59,359
it's definitely um probably 50% of the
products going to be what we call a move

727
00:53:57,359 --> 00:54:03,680
up product. So they might, you know,
started with the apartment, moved into

728
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:07,200
the first house, had a generous equity
swing over the last six, seven years

729
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:11,599
and, you know, turn that right into a
brand new house with the design

730
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:15,920
according to what today's standards are.
They don't want all that extra hallway.

731
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:20,240
They don't need the formal spaces. They
need sometimes two offices, sometimes

732
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:23,200
one in the lower level, a bonus room up
top. So designed accordingly to way

733
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,640
their lifestyle is today.
>> Okay. To answer your question, if you

734
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:30,640
drove through Wilsburg or Park, there
are million-dollar homes in there. I'm

735
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:33,760
building four of them right now. Um, you
know, because some of the people just

736
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:37,359
get into, you know, start price at
5600,000 and then you do a threec car

737
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,960
garage, finish lower level, start adding
on, making the square footage larger. It

738
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,040
can get to that point.
>> It is a good point about power. I mean,

739
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,960
we're still sitting there. You've
approved Highline Park and I literally

740
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:52,800
can't I'm shovel ready and can't build
the apartments because there's no

741
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:57,839
electricity. So, I think that's probably
the biggest

742
00:54:54,640 --> 00:55:01,359
stop when it comes to other I mean,
we're looking at land elsewhere in the

743
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:05,760
Victor School District and we can't
power anything right now. So, that's

744
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,200
kind of the difficulty.
>> Okay.

745
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,720
» The future.
>> Yeah. And it is part of what makes this

746
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:15,280
project unique in that we do have will
serve letters, but they put sunsets on

747
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:20,000
them now. And if you don't demonstrate
site approvals and everything else, then

748
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:22,559
those go away. Uh because they'll only
commit to a certain

749
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,000
» move a little closer to the mic.
>> Sorry.

750
00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:31,440
» Which I believe they're 12 month terms
right now um on that. So we have to

751
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:35,920
» final approvals be in the ground be
ready for them. And so it starts

752
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,960
becoming very time constrained uh as you
start talking about site development

753
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:43,200
because if you lose that and it's given
to someone else, you're really really in

754
00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:46,960
trouble. So once you get started,
they're committed to supplying will

755
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,920
serve, right?
>> Yeah. So we have to demonstrate final

756
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:53,920
site plan approval. That's when they
start their design. And then if you uh

757
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:57,040
start construction, that kind of stops
the clock as long as you're ready for

758
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:01,920
their infrastructure to go in by the
time they finish the design.

759
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:06,240
» Yeah. Cuz you've got 74 homes on this
stretch. You're talking about what 20 a

760
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:11,440
year maybe. Is that what I heard?
building, but because of the nature of

761
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:14,480
the project and just the site itself, uh
essentially we'll be doing all the site

762
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,680
work at once, which
>> Okay. So, you got all that

763
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:18,559
infrastructure go along. Yeah.
>> Yep.

764
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,040
» Okay.
>> Yep.

765
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,839
» Sanitary's coming from one end and the
road's got to come from the other. So,

766
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,960
we've got we've got quite a bit of
infrastructure that has to go into to

767
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:32,319
make this work.
>> Okay.

768
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:36,319
Um All right. I think we gotten the
school issue or question out of the way

769
00:56:33,839 --> 00:56:40,319
and some energy other other things that
you needed to update us on.

770
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:44,400
» Uh I don't think so unless there's
remaining questions as it related to

771
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:48,000
seeker. I think those in and traffic
which I think Labella was going to look

772
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:52,160
at were the were the three items that
were identified as potential for

773
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,880
moderate to large and and hopefully
we've addressed

774
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:58,599
» two out of the three and Wes will help
us out with the third one.

775
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:04,720
» Well,
>> okay. Thank you. you're up.

776
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:08,960
» Yeah. Um, so I do remember uh Mr. Harter
asking if I could uh talk with our

777
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:14,240
transportation professionals at Labella
regarding the um the traffic memorandum

778
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:21,119
provided
uh let me see if I can bring it up here

779
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:26,160
uh back on May 27th, 2026
from McFarland Johnson, which you know

780
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:30,000
concludes with
um the trip generation analysis revealed

781
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,520
that the additional traffic generated by
the proposed residential subdivision

782
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:38,880
onto the existing roadway network will
noted exceed 100 trips per peak hour at

783
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:43,040
any intersection due to the relatively
low traffic generation from the proposed

784
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:48,079
development. A detailed capacity
analysis for off-site roadway

785
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:53,359
intersections is not recommended. So, I
did get an email back from uh David

786
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:58,240
Cruzie, our I'd be happy to share it on
the screen with you. It's it's not that

787
00:57:55,359 --> 00:58:03,040
uh it's not that
tiny. I guess you can go ahead and I'd

788
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:09,440
be happy to share it. So, David Cruzie,
he's a um a professional transportation

789
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:13,359
planner and a road safety professional.
And his response was that he reviewed

790
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:17,359
the letter and it meets industry
standards. Uh and based on the methods

791
00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:21,680
and findings, this letter is suitable
for board reviews. So, uh LeBella

792
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:26,720
doesn't have a problem. We're in
agreement with what is stated in the in

793
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:32,960
the uh in the memo
here, uh from McFarland Johnson. We're

794
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:37,440
okay with that. We also I also talked to
him about uh roadways roadway speeds

795
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:44,000
because we've heard from the public that
they're concerned about uh vehicles that

796
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:49,280
are speeding and um just in as a casual
informal conversation with our uh uh

797
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:54,160
professional transportation planner just
looking at the the uh the layout of the

798
00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:59,359
existing roadway of a Zano Circle and
understanding the topography. There's

799
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:03,920
about 850 ft between this intersection
here

800
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:08,799
and uh the intersection of the proposed
connector road into the Nova Rise

801
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:12,559
subdivision. And given that the geometry
is a little bit it's a little bit curved

802
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,920
here. You've got some bends in the
roadway. You've got some topography

803
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:24,079
changes. the acceleration area and then
the need for deceleration prior to

804
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:29,040
making this turn. Um likely not going to
result in in a lot of speeding if any uh

805
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:34,720
along this stretch of this stretch of
roadway and um

806
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:37,599
» Wes is there a posted speed limit or a
legal speed limit for subdivisions like

807
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:43,839
this?
>> Yeah, usually in the town code there are

808
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:49,280
uh roadways. each of the roadways is
identified uh as to whether or not as to

809
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:55,119
what the speed limit would be. And I
could look up in the town code to see if

810
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:59,040
a Zano Circle is is on that um is on
that list. It probably is. It's probably

811
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:07,280
30 miles per hour or less.
>> I could I could look at that. Um, so we

812
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:12,720
don't also same if if you think about uh
someone turning off of the subdivision

813
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:17,119
road taking a left down Azano circle,
right? Um they're going to be making

814
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:22,480
this that's the same traffic movement as
anybody that's deeper into the Izano

815
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:25,520
circle, right? So they're going to be um
you know and there's there's not a whole

816
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:28,160
lot of room for acceleration and then
deceleration to be able to stop down

817
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:35,359
here.
>> Mhm. Um, now I did want to this did and

818
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:39,280
I I I noticed uh some comments in in
recent planning board meetings about

819
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:44,000
stop signs and I just wanted to talk to
the planning board and and also uh

820
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:49,920
Marathon about the design here of this
intersection and considering where this

821
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:54,000
sidewalk is and then if there's a stop a
stop sign here, you know, we're likely

822
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:58,799
going to want to see a crosswalk here
and is that stop sign and stop bar going

823
01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:03,520
to be in front of this crosswalk? If
you're coming from the north heading

824
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:06,960
south, I guess my question is, do we
need the alignment of this sidewalk to

825
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:12,880
change
>> as it crosses this roadway?

826
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:14,079
» I'm not sure why it was not lined up in
the first place.

827
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:19,200
» Yeah,
>> seems kind of odd that they would, you

828
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:22,319
know, moved it back. I mean,
I I would be in favor of straightening

829
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:25,440
that right out and moving the stop bar
up so that I mean, cars can just roll

830
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:30,079
right across there.
I have a feeling the drainage inlets

831
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:34,319
were probably put in right where the
rock and alignment are, but

832
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:37,680
» you may be right. Uh so we might need to
look at that. That might be an

833
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:40,960
engineering challenge for you.
>> Um we see that the

834
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,839
» it's typically what we see when they're
moving.

835
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:48,079
» Yeah.
So we we can work with the the highway

836
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:53,599
superintendent however you guys would
like us to to look at that. You know, it

837
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:57,119
may be that the crosswalk sits back and
so does the stop bar with a with a stop

838
01:01:55,599 --> 01:02:01,119
here and an arrow. I you know, we'll
have to work through that with them.

839
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:04,079
» There's plenty of sight distance from
there. It's not like there's trees at

840
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:08,559
the corner or something, right?
>> So,

841
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:14,240
» pretty open. Yeah.
So, just a one of the observations that

842
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:21,040
I was that I was making. Um,
I guess before I go on to my next uh my

843
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:24,160
my next topic of conversation, which um
isn't necessarily related to seeker, I

844
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:30,160
wanted to see if there are there any
questions or concerns about where where

845
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:36,720
we stand with with traffic and and uh
speeds given our feedback.

846
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:39,920
There were comments on traffic about,
you know, all these delivery trucks now,

847
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:44,000
all the Amazon and everybody else come
in, FedEx,

848
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:48,319
um, adding to the traffic, but that
typically would not be at during peak

849
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:54,160
hours. I would assume,
you know, delivery trucks are more

850
01:02:50,480 --> 01:03:01,040
midday to afternoon, maybe the evening
peak hour, but

851
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:07,040
I don't know. Is that something that's
that comes up in traffic studies now

852
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:10,040
that they address
deliveries?

853
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:16,160
» So typically the the tripgen letters
factor in all trips to and from

854
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:21,680
» okay
>> the land use that's there. So what's

855
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:26,559
incorporated in this or in the IT
manuals are vehicle trips to and from

856
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:30,319
the traffic generator in this case
single family homes. So they don't

857
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:34,880
necessarily distinguish between
delivery, mailmen, trash, but they're

858
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,440
all included in those counts and numbers
at the intersections.

859
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:41,119
» It's not just the residents and their
visitors to the residential homes. It's

860
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,839
everything on that road.
>> That's correct.

861
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:48,400
» It would be anticipated. Okay. All
right. Because it it was asked. I wanted

862
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:52,480
to make sure it was out there that we
talked about it and considered it. So

863
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:59,119
that includes everything. I'm good with
it. You know, it's

864
01:03:53,680 --> 01:04:03,760
» Yeah. Oh. Um, anybody else for
>> um I guess I have a couple of comments.

865
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:08,480
I think relative to traffic, the thing I
was concerned with was whether there was

866
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:13,760
some information that would say that the
configuration of the streets was was

867
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:18,480
conducive to speeding. just to try to
get my head around that and see if the

868
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:24,319
residents who have um brought that up as
an issue um you know had something um

869
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:30,160
that we needed to address. But I think
I've heard from Wes and speaking with

870
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:34,400
the transportation planner that um I I
guess that's not really an issue. And um

871
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:39,200
I think I also heard from the last
meeting that the highway superintendent

872
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:44,480
did not want any type of speed control
devices. And I think I think maybe the

873
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:48,880
fire marshall was of the same opinion
>> as it relates to like speed bumps or or

874
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:56,720
dips. Yeah, that's correct. Y
>> um so I guess that's how I see it. And

875
01:04:53,200 --> 01:05:02,559
and Wes, do I understand it correctly
from from your perspective guiding us?

876
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:06,960
Um is it you you spoke with David Cruz?
>> I did. Yep. and and he didn't think that

877
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,160
this was
had the potential to be a racetrack or

878
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:14,559
something along those lines. I appre
>> that's not the indication that I got. We

879
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:21,200
there's there's nothing that indicates
either the existing geometry of Azano

880
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:24,960
Circle or even the proposed geometry of
uh

881
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:31,520
uh the proposed subdivision, right? And
the change in topography,

882
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:35,280
it's not likely to uh induce people to
uh to speed.

883
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:40,160
I I think there was one other thing we
spoke about on this subject which was

884
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:45,839
you know crosswalks at these particular
intersections

885
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:49,920
and and you know maybe getting um maybe
doing a little more striping than what's

886
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:53,119
usual. I mean, I've seen recently some
crossings where they're painting them

887
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:58,400
green in the center as well as the white
on the outside and tends to stand out,

888
01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:04,000
be more noticeable and and striping is
um you know, a very uh inexpensive way

889
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:09,920
to achieve some level of traffic
control, pedestrian control. So, I I I

890
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:16,720
guess I agree that it's a a a small to
to moderate impact. Wasn't the comment

891
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:21,200
made regarding that topic of colored or
unusual design crosswalks that the town

892
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,039
wasn't interested in that the town
highway department?

893
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,280
» I don't I don't remember. I don't
remember if that was part of Perhaps it

894
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:28,400
was.
>> Yes. In general, the highway

895
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:31,440
superintendent is because anything that
they do out of the gate is turned over

896
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,599
to us and we don't have that in any of
our other subdivisions.

897
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,359
» Okay. So, they don't want to do that
either.

898
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,079
» No.
>> What about we talked about stop signs

899
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:44,240
internal to this subdivision?
Yeah. They would have one for those

900
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:50,400
living on the culdesac. They'd have to
stop at that T intersection. But would

901
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:55,680
you have stop signs
in in the directions on the main road

902
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:58,240
that come approach that intersection for
instance?

903
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,039
» Meaning make that a three-way stop
there.

904
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:06,400
» Yeah.
>> So typically final uh signage locations

905
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:11,200
are directed by the highway
superintendent. We purchase, they

906
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:15,599
install. So, we're happy if it's two if
two extra stop signs are desired. Uh, we

907
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:18,720
would have no issue with that
whatsoever. That's really up to the

908
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:21,760
highway superintendent. He hasn't
indicated that in any of the comments

909
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:27,119
received so far.
>> Um, right now, stop control would only

910
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:34,000
be anticipated uh southbound there at
the intersection that you mentioned for

911
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:38,319
westbound at um westbound uh entering
there and then down at at Brownsville

912
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:43,280
Road. So, that's what's been discussed
to date and I believe what's represented

913
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:46,799
on our plans, but if additional uh
intersection control was desired, we'd

914
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:53,599
have no issue with that.
>> I mean, tables and speed bumps and all

915
01:07:49,839 --> 01:08:00,480
that are ruled out, but a stop sign is
easy to maintain. Um, and it's a good

916
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:07,599
people get annoyed with them, but it's
definitely a speed control option. um

917
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:14,160
that
I think we'd want to consider at least

918
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:20,400
at that T intersection with a a
pulack road. Um that would keep people

919
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:23,600
from zooming straight through there.
Might make the neighbors within that

920
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:27,359
subdivision
feel better about it with their kids and

921
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:31,040
everything on the streets that there's
that kind of speed control.

922
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:36,239
» Sure.
>> So, I'd like to at least keep it on the

923
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:40,080
table. I I think any uh preliminary
approval of course would be subject to

924
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:43,839
any remaining comments from code highway
etc. So if they wanted to take a look at

925
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:48,799
that we would be happy to consider that.
Yep. Absolutely. I don't know why Bella

926
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:52,719
have want to look at that and see if
there's an opinion on that from other

927
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:57,040
subdivisions for instance and if it's
unusual or if it's kind of standard

928
01:08:55,359 --> 01:09:01,279
because there's a lot of homes there
>> and if there's a 100 cars in the peak

929
01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:06,159
hour that's a lot of cars zipping along
there that you know people are anxious

930
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:12,080
to get home or anxious to get to work
because they're late or something

931
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:17,120
times a stop sign it's like a a check
you know I mean I would be in favor of a

932
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:24,080
three-way at that central intersection
as an as a way to control speed in there

933
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:30,960
without having to disrupt the snow plows
and the all the maintenance of that

934
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:34,960
road. So that's my comment about
>> aren't the step signs governed by not

935
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:40,480
only the highway superintendent but also
the DOT. and the DOT get involved and

936
01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:44,880
» uh typically the MUTCD which is the
manual manual uniform traffic control

937
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:49,359
devices kind of dictates some of that.
Um DOT would not weigh in here typically

938
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:52,560
on a town owned road. So it would really
be at the discretion of the of the

939
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:57,199
highway superintendent
>> and andor if there was ashtto uh

940
01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:02,960
recommendation type thing. But I I don't
think in this instance with roughly a

941
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:06,320
100 uh residences in there that it would
dictate at one of these intersections.

942
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:09,520
It would be more a highway
superintendent decision. I

943
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:15,679
» mean, it's it's a different condition,
but Cork and Modoc and the subdivision

944
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:19,280
there, it's a four-way. There used to be
through traffic on Cork that wouldn't

945
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:23,440
they would they would have to stop in
one direction and Modoc would be through

946
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,080
without stopping in the other. And as
soon as we put that intersection, we

947
01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:31,040
said, "All right, make it a four-way so
they can all stop." There's a lot more

948
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:36,159
traffic on Cork Road than there is even
thought about here, but because it's

949
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:42,080
more of a collector, I think.
>> So, um, but that's I think I think those

950
01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:47,040
are all good points that you made
relative to the three-way.

951
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:50,560
» Yeah. So, let's keep that on the table
for final.

952
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:55,040
» No problem.
>> Okay, that's all I had for traffic

953
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:58,159
anyway. Wes, you had anything else you
needed to?

954
01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:01,120
» Uh, not on traffic. Uh, one of the
things that I noticed, I might have

955
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:06,719
missed this at the last planning board
meeting. So, you've got a turnaround uh

956
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:11,199
hammerhead turnaround up here, right?
So, um, the design construction

957
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:16,880
standards require that uh, temporary
turnarounds be constructed in accordance

958
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:21,040
with the design detail. And uh I think
if you're going to be paving this is if

959
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:24,960
this is going to be a town owned roadway
and the town's going to be uh going to

960
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:28,480
own this pavement here, they're probably
going to want a right of way there and

961
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,239
and not an easement.
>> Oh.

962
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:37,120
» So I don't know if that's something that
the property owner here is uh okay with.

963
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:40,880
And I I guess the other question I had
is

964
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:45,360
what are the number of development units
that could be developed here? And my

965
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:49,600
guess is my my
assumption looking on the looking at the

966
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:56,480
acreage I think it was 34 acres and
change and looking at the B overlay

967
01:11:52,239 --> 01:12:01,520
uh this would afford maybe 17 17 lots.
Um and currently this this parcel is not

968
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:05,199
part of the subdivision project but the
one just to the north is right.

969
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,239
» Correct. Yeah.
>> Okay.

970
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:12,880
» Yeah, that's correct. So 17 is correct
as far as the remaining development

971
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:16,320
lots, if you will, available for that
parcel. And I think there's six

972
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:21,280
remaining out of the total of what we're
doing for that parcel to the north. Um

973
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:26,000
if right ofway was required, we might
have to shift that a little bit south

974
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:30,800
and delay building, you know, that that
northwestern most uh parcel kind of to

975
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:35,360
the end if we had to in order to create
that that turnaround right there. But

976
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:38,400
we'll if right ofway instead of an
easement would be required, we probably

977
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:42,960
would have to come up with a
configuration comprised on our our

978
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:45,120
parcel would be my assumption.
>> So

979
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:49,600
» and and we'd be happy to work through
that with a highway superintendent again

980
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:52,400
at final or however we need to.
>> Yeah.

981
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:56,080
» So if you if you made it right away and
then you went ahead and a future

982
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:59,520
subdivision were built, then you'd have
that hammerhead for no reason, right?

983
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:07,040
» Yeah. So then you'd have to either
dissolve it or retain it without the

984
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:10,880
hammerhead or turnaround.
>> Yeah. So

985
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:16,960
» or have a temporary or have the have the
easement and then modify it when the

986
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:20,159
road is when the subdivision were to be
approved.

987
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:24,320
» Correct. Yeah. So temporary turnaround
easement is typically uh an easier one

988
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:28,480
to dissolve versus uh rightway
dedication. So again, we can work

989
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,600
through the mechanism of that uh as
needed as part of final.

990
01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:35,360
» The only thing I worry about is if you
make it a right of way, they own it. The

991
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:39,360
town owns it, right?
>> Yeah, that's right.

992
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:42,239
» So then they own this thing lot, then
you have to abandon it and sell it back

993
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,600
or so.
>> But we we can work through that.

994
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,440
» That subdivision over on East Victor
Road, um

995
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,400
» Sunray.
>> Yeah.

996
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,560
» Stone Brook.
>> Stone Stone Brook maybe.

997
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:53,600
» Yes.
>> Where we continued on. They had a

998
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:56,560
turnaround right there in front of that
guy's house. That's right.

999
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,320
» And we part of the approval was get rid
of it.

1000
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:02,960
» I think Marathon did those plans, didn't
she?

1001
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:04,800
» So, I'm just thinking these examples in
my head. Um,

1002
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,480
» okay.
>> So, I mean, it's a valid point. Should

1003
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:12,400
it be a right of way? I would say, yeah,
if it's permanent, but if in in the end

1004
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:16,960
it's not a permanent thing, you you have
to dissolve it somehow.

1005
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:23,280
So, the updated subdivision plans that
you submitted since the last meeting, do

1006
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:27,040
they incorporate the uh the change that
you noted here for this lot where you

1007
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:29,440
took some of this real estate and, you
know, kind of switched it over to the

1008
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:33,920
other side of the road?
>> We do. Yep. So,

1009
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:37,120
» lot 34 got relocated and we reumbered
them. But,

1010
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:40,640
» um there are now two lots on that
souththeast

1011
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:46,640
uh portion of the intersection where the
larger corner lot was prior. Yeah,

1012
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:51,199
» those are now lots uh 44 and 45.
>> Okay. So, I haven't had the opportunity

1013
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:57,440
to finish my review of of the plans and
and uh update our letter, but I don't

1014
01:14:53,840 --> 01:15:01,280
think I have anything else today for uh
for you.

1015
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:05,920
I guess it sounds like it it sounds like
maybe the the applicant is still

1016
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:09,760
communicating with Jennese Land Trust on
potentially taking over some of the

1017
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:14,800
conservation easement land or all of the
conservation easement land.

1018
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:18,239
Yes, they're we're still uh working
through that with them. They're a little

1019
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:20,719
bit of a slow process, but we're moving
in the right direction.

1020
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,679
» Okay.
>> We did have some data if you want for

1021
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:28,560
the school district. We looked it up
online. So,

1022
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:31,120
» um Carly can go over that for you.
>> Okay.

1023
01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:34,960
» Yeah. So, I just pulled quickly some
information from the New York State

1024
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:42,560
Education Department just to show kind
of over the last 10 years or so. So from

1025
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:46,880
2015 looking up to enrollment uh 2024
through 25 it looks like there's been a

1026
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:55,040
decrease in about 300 students in
enrollment. Uh 2015 to 2016 you had

1027
01:15:50,080 --> 01:16:00,080
4,400 and then um 24 to 25 4,100
students. And so, uh, kind of just

1028
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:04,880
showing that,
uh, there was like an kind of an

1029
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:08,560
explosive enrollment in the 2000s, 2010,
and then it evened out, and then you see

1030
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:12,560
the drop starting the last 10 years.
>> So, we're relatively flat.

1031
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:15,440
» Yes. Yes. To declining in the past
decade or so.

1032
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,960
» That that that's helpful. I just wanted
to check in. I I wasn't sure if we were

1033
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:22,880
going up or down or
>> Looks like it's going down. It looks

1034
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:28,640
like about around 50 to 100 students per
year, actually, at this rate. around 50.

1035
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:30,640
» I don't know where they're going.
>> Hopefully they're

1036
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:34,400
» seems like we're getting bigger. So, I
don't know where they're going.

1037
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:38,560
» People are having less kids.
>> Is that what's happening?

1038
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:43,760
» Yeah. And we do a lot of K to2 school
work. A lot of what has changed and

1039
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:50,080
fostered a lot of the growth in size of
schools. Classes are 21 to 24 instead of

1040
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:57,120
30. So they need more classrooms even
for the same amount of kids, more uh

1041
01:16:53,120 --> 01:17:00,880
other space I'll call it. So I I think
you're adding at the Victor school

1042
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:03,360
district, but there's other factors in
it than just the the raw number of

1043
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:07,080
children.
>> Makes sense. Yeah.

1044
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:19,920
» Okay. Um I think what our next step is
going to be I guess wrapping up part two

1045
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:24,320
and then part three of you know
finishing up the environmental

1046
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:30,960
assessment. I think with the information
that we've received there's a little bit

1047
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:34,719
of um work up to complete and then
probably at our next meeting we could

1048
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:38,239
you want to
>> Yeah. Yeah, I think what we could do is

1049
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:42,000
the information that we re received
tonight regarding the school district

1050
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:45,520
and we've been able to hammer out uh
some of the conversation on

1051
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:51,199
transportation. Let's update the EAF
part two and three. And I think at the

1052
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:56,719
next meeting we'd be prepared um to have
the draft

1053
01:17:53,040 --> 01:18:00,080
negative declaration and also a likely a
draft of the preliminary subdivision

1054
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:03,920
approval
prepared

1055
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,920
unless um unless the pony board feels
otherwise.

1056
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:09,360
» No, sounds like a plan.
>> Yeah,

1057
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:13,600
» sounds good to me. Okay.
>> So, if if you had anything to add

1058
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:18,159
between now and then, you know, as soon
as possible, but it sounds like we've

1059
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:24,400
gotten everything from you that that uh
that we need to, as Wes said, wrap up,

1060
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:29,360
clean up part two, and move forward. So,
>> okay, great. Yeah, we'd we'd love to get

1061
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:33,600
to that point so we can start working
towards towards final and be teed up and

1062
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:37,280
ready to go as soon as soon as possible.
So, appreciate that. Thank you.

1063
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:41,920
» Okay. Yep. I appreciate your patience,
but um it's the way the process is.

1064
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:45,840
» Getting that right.
>> All right,

1065
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:51,679
I guess we're done with that uh for the
evening and that was our last item. Um

1066
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:55,120
just wanted to remind everybody about
the meeting in second meeting in

1067
01:18:53,600 --> 01:19:00,719
October, right Lisa?
>> Yep. So

1068
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:06,800
» go ahead. So October 14th um will be
Wednesday and then October 29th

1069
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:12,320
will be Thursday.
>> We have a Wednesday and Thursday plan.

1070
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:17,040
» We do um we did go over this um
beginning of the year or end of the year

1071
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:23,880
last year when we were doing our I want
to say it might be early voting. Um I

1072
01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:23,880
think so.

1073
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:32,320
» Right. So we got pushed for the one and
then the other one. So it was discussed

1074
01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:36,080
either we not have a meeting in October
only one

1075
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,920
» or push it to Thursday. I think you guys
had said it was okay.

1076
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:42,400
» Yeah.
>> So because we're down to one meeting

1077
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:45,120
November and one in December.
>> So

1078
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:50,159
» I think that would have implied another
meeting in November and December if we

1079
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:54,239
eliminated the one in October. So, I
think that was preferable to go later in

1080
01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:58,640
November and December
>> for those two dates. I'm sorry.

1081
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:05,280
» October 14th
will be Wednesday

1082
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:07,920
and then October 29th will be Thursday.
>> Okay. I'll fix.

1083
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:12,159
» So, if that is an issue or anything with
anybody, just let me know.

1084
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:14,239
» If you could just email Joe and remind
him as well.

1085
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:19,679
» I'll ask Joe, too.
>> Yeah. to make sure we have enough

1086
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:22,400
» members.
>> I just have to program myself for it.

1087
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:26,320
That's all.
>> I will try to remind you also.

1088
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:31,199
» I just wanted Lisa to be out in front of
it when everybody's there. So

1089
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:34,480
» I get I get used to this Tuesday thing.
>> Well, and it's funny because I looked at

1090
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:37,840
that meeting in October said that can't
be right. Thursday. I moved it to

1091
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,560
Tuesday and then I said we talked about
something like that. Lisa said, "Yep,

1092
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,440
it's Thursday."
>> Yeah. Oh,

1093
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:45,280
» Susie had let us know ahead of time that
there was going to be an issue.

1094
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:50,080
» Yeah.
>> And we couldn't move it to Wednesday and

1095
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:52,239
it was just it was a mess.
>> Dave, you're going to have to change

1096
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:55,239
your schedule if you want to attend
them.

1097
01:20:55,679 --> 01:20:59,880
» Somebody send a memo to Dave.

1098
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:04,320
» Um, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn.
>> I'll move.

1099
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,120
» Moves.
>> A second.

1100
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:09,360
» And church seconds. All in favor?
>> I.

1101
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:15,120
» Have a great rest of your evening,
what's left of it. And uh

1102
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:18,440
» welcome back from Italy.
>> Hi Dave.