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And then we'll have the pledges. Dear Lord, I come to you this morning, and thank you for the start of another busy week in busy day.

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We thank you for your many blessings upon us in this community, pray that you would be with us in the decisions before us today.

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In your name, I pray, amen.

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Next item we have on the agenda is to consider approval of minutes this would have been our April 8 meeting and a copy of those are in front of each of you.

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All those in favor, any opposed, motion approved. Item 4 citizens communication anyone with us this morning that would like to

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bring up an item of county business that's not yet listed on the agenda is welcome to do so at this time.

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I'll write well, then we will move right along to item number 5, which is consider approval of accounts payable for Victoria County and take appropriate action.

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Our accounts payable for April 15, 2019, can't go to total of 495,000, 6,000, 7,000, 7,000, 3,000, and 18,000.

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And our supplemental checks for the week came to 130,000, 666,000, and 43,000.

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Second, all those in favor, any opposed, motion approved, item number 6 received monthly and quarterly reports from various county officials and departments and take appropriate action.

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This morning we have my morning reports from the justice of peace, freezing number 2, and number 2 in full.

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Second, all those in favor, any opposed, motion approved, item number 7 consider approval of bond for feature releases and take appropriate action.

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Easy enough, item 8, consider approval of citizens medical center, interim vendor payments and take appropriate action.

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You each have the April 11 letter from the hospital showing interim vendor payments in the amount.

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A five hundred thousand three hundred forty four dollars and seventy seven cents.

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The ACH report on that same day of April 11, 2019 was in the amount of two million three hundred nine thousand five hundred dollars and sixty nine cents.

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Second, all those in favor, any opposed, motion approved, item number nine.

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Here presentation and discuss possible public defender program and take appropriate action.

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Let's see, and we are going to have let's see was it David Hall who.

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Okay, yes, that's right.

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We've met David good to see again and then Edwin co-facts.

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We spoke with the Texas Intergent Defense Commission.

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Well welcome both of you, appreciate you'll be in back here.

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I know we've visited before some of our district judges county court at law judges, but we wanted to have the full court.

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Here to be part of this discussion and to have our questions answered.

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So appreciate you all being here.

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I guess I'll turn the floor over to whomever whichever you wants to.

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Give us some background on this and then we'll hear.

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I'll offer so I'm Edwin co-facts on the grant program manager at the Texas Intergent Defense Commission.

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I appreciate a chance to visit with you all this morning about some of the grant programs that we offer.

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And in particular on indigent defense programs that support a public defender program provide indigent defense services.

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So first is a little bit of quick background about our agency.

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The Texas Intergent Defense Commission was created back in 2001 by the legislature.

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It is made up of judges county county judges constitutional county judges criminal court judges.

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Some elected officials and some attorneys and the mission of the indigent defense commission is to ensure that people's six amendment rights to have council when charged with the crime even if they can afford it are honored.

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So we work with counties to provide some funding.

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We provide some oversight and technical assistance for counties.

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All counties are eligible to get formula grant funding from TIDC.

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And unfortunately that only covers about 10 to 14 percent of the county's cost for appointing lawyers to indigent defendants.

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That's the formula grant funding that pretty much everyone gets including Victoria County.

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Our commission has been advocating for years to be able to do more and provide more assistance to counties.

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We work with the legislature and do what we can with the funds that we receive.

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So that's kind of our baseline funding that we're able to offer.

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We have what we call an improvement grant program which is projects specific grants that we offer.

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And including grants to operate a public defender program.

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So traditionally in here in Victoria County, indigent defense responsibilities are met by the judges creating what we often refer to as the wheel or a list of attorneys who are qualified to provide representation in those cases.

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And then those attorneys represent the clients they're appointed by after they're qualified as as the indigent.

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They're appointed an attorney the attorney sends a bill into the court.

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They they review that bill one by one and then approve or in some cases adjust the payment and send that off to the auditor.

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The auditor makes the payment to the attorney.

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Public defender program is a different model for providing indigent defense.

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It's a little more integrated.

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It's more cohesive and some of its primary benefits are providing enhanced oversight and accountability with respect to this function.

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So the way a public defender works is sort of like a the other side of the coin from the county attorney of the district attorney's office.

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You've got staff attorneys who are hired when there's sufficient case volume and certainly in the county as big as Victoria you have plenty of cases to justify having some staff attorneys dedicated to this work.

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Those attorneys on staff court documents they're they're routinely getting out to the jail to interview the clients as soon as they're appointed.

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To get things rolling on the cases.

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Starting representation from our experience much earlier than most appointed private lawyers are able to do because of their they're competing obligations.

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And so this sort of what I would say more cohesive or organized approach to providing indigent defense services has a lot of benefits and the our commission has kind of prioritized this as a.

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Model that is preferable because of the enhanced accountability that comes along with it when you have a staff attorney they are supervised they're.

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Getting training there they're being you know their work is being looked at.

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The judges who have the responsibility of you know kind of providing that oversight on an assigned council system.

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They see the attorneys in the court taking please and occasionally in trial.

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And that gives them some visibility into the quality of the work and whether they're checking all the boxes they need to check.

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But that's only a kind of a sliver of the work that the attorneys are doing is the work that happens in the courtroom.

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And so the extra accountability and oversight that comes along with the public defender model has made this a kind of priority.

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For the commission in terms of encouraging counties to look at this model and providing grant funding to come along with it.

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So the kind of improvement grants that our commission offers the standard model is for us to just provide startup funding for counties.

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So in a regular grant we would provide 80% of the cost in the first year step down to 60% the second year 40% third year 20% and then eventually have the county pick it up.

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For public defender counties of rather for public defender projects in rural counties and we draw that line at 100,000 or less.

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The commission has approved what we call sustainability grants.

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But for these types of grants we'll still start accounting off where the state funds 80% of the project costs in the first year steps down to 60% of the project costs in the second year.

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And then basically levels off at 50% costs moving forward.

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Basically we provide extra funding on the first two years to get the grant to cover some of the costs associated with the transition from private design council.

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The public defender model and then level off at 50 50 state county cost sharing.

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That's a very good deal for counties in the sense that you still continue to get your formula grant funding from TIDC.

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That formula grant funding while it's only a small percentage of your overall costs.

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Is based in part on 50% of that numbers based on the county's population.

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So that part is going to stay the same.

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And then 50% is dependent upon the county's overall expenses for endage and defense.

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So you still get that formula grant funding coming in.

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You get 50% of the cost of the public defender covered in year beginning year three would be higher percentage in the first couple years.

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Obviously the state is able under this kind of a model to pick up more than 50% of the costs of county and direct defense, which is the best deal we have going.

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And much better than the standard formula grants.

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The reason the commission feels comfortable with that and is provided these grants in this way for offered these grants in this way.

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Is because of that extra quality assurance that you get you really know you have a much better sense of what the county is getting for its indigent defense spending.

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And those folks have our operating within a program that has supervision, mentoring, you know employee reviews on an annual basis.

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There's just a lot more oversight comes along with it.

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And so that's kind of the rationale behind why we're able to offer that higher level of funding for this type of a program.

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So the grant.

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We offer these grants in common annual basis.

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We are coming up to a deadline of May 10th to put in a request for one of these public defender grants.

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I know that we a TRL, oh, I should circle back and say that counties have a couple of options on how to operate a public defender.

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One option is to do it just like you would do the county or district attorneys office and the county directly hires staff.

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Staffs up an office and operates it directly.

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TIDC beginning back in 2007 I believe it was started a program with B county to in partnership with Texas Rio Grande legal aid to operate a public defender under contract.

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So it's sort of outsourcing model that counties can use.

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And it's really kind of a turn key operation in the way that TRL is able to offer these services.

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So TRL, they're a nonprofit corporation.

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They staff up to provide the indigent defense services and represent those cases.

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They'll open an office in the jurisdiction and provide all that kind of oversight and accountability that I was referring to.

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And for most counties, particularly smart counties, the big urban counties that have public defenders generally choose to operate them directly in the way that the district attorney works county employees.

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The county's find that contracting or outsourcing.

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These services works better for them.

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It manages those kinds of, you know, you don't have to worry about the pension obligations and health insurance benefits and all that.

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It's kind of covered by the nonprofit that contracts with the county to provide the services.

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So that's the model that we've been discussing with Judge Zeller and a few other folks here in the county.

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I know that TRLA has provided some preliminary budget numbers and then refined those numbers with some based on some feedback from Judge Zeller.

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In terms of the process with the grant at this juncture.

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It is important to get a grant request into us before that May 10th deadline.

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However, if there are still questions about the scope of the program or budget details to be addressed.

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When you turn in a grant request to us before that deadline, you can just note that the budget is still being finalized.

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If you will, the main thing is that we just have a request in the hopper that's under consideration before that deadline.

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And then the details can continue to be discussed.

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If you do decide to move forward and turn in a grant application to us, the county is still under no obligation to move forward with the project.

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It just keeps it allows us the opportunity to work with you to see if a project can be put together that meets everybody's needs and the budget that the county needs to see in order to move forward.

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So that's kind of the deadline to bear in mind as we are coming up close to it.

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TRLA and my agency are happy to work with the county if you would like an assistant strafting the application.

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Because it's a program that a number of counties across the state are using we're very familiar with it and we could help you put together a grant application and pretty short order.

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Our application is I would say much less honorist than a lot of government grant opportunities if you've ever waited through some of those ours is pretty straightforward.

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So I'm happy to answer any questions.

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That's kind of the overview.

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I know that David Hall can speak to you a little bit or detail about the operation of his program.

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Some of the budget numbers that have been provided for the commissioners.

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Looking at both the preliminary budget.

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That was provided and the refined budget based on your feedback to the dollar.

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Looks like the county stands to save several hundred thousand dollars even after the initial step down from 80% funding to 50%.

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Looks like it makes a good.

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Looks good from a financial perspective for the county in terms of saving several hundred thousand dollars on this area of representation.

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So I'm happy answering questions before I turn over to David or I can just.

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But him talk about his program.

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Okay. And we do have the revised projection numbers. I don't think I've seen the revised ones.

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Yeah. Well, I guess I'll point out for the benefit of the court and maybe those who haven't heard

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about this have been involved in these discussions. We're relatively new to this discussion.

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And early on in this discussion, it wasn't but about, well, when did we meet originally about?

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Probably a month or 30 days ago. Three weeks ago.

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And so I'm new to studying this and to looking at this.

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But I have been studying it intently because it does have a lot of appeal to it.

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The model of having the public defender office in-house and also the nonprofit program are both from what

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I've seen more expensive than doing it the way we're doing it now.

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The perk financially is that this being a priority of the state.

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They're willing to put a lot of investment into it.

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That's about 80% the first year, 60% the second year and then 50% in each year following.

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So that's what makes it financially a good deal.

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It appears to make it financially a good deal.

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I know in Victoria County we've got some quirks that are different than some of the other counties.

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Y'all do business in a much higher co-dependent rate than normal.

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Also the dynamic of us having pretrial service department already, which was what I was wanting to see if it could be built into this proposal, those two dynamics.

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The original estimate we saw showed, and I really am avoiding the first and second year because it will definitely save money the first two years.

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On a permanent basis what we could reasonably assume are call savings to be.

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That original estimate showed over $300,000 a year in call savings, which I thought could be increased.

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And in fact would probably need to be increased given the fact that with our high co-dependent rate we'd still be maintaining a fairly robust wheel.

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And so are you able to distribute those revised numbers now, or David, are you able to speak to that?

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Yeah, well.

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Turn over to you.

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Are you going in a packet or anything?

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It's always a surprise.

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Yeah, I don't know anything about it.

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I don't have a paperwork.

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I don't have anything.

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Well, I think the paperwork's right here.

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Yeah, and I haven't seen this either.

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Thank you.

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And these numbers came from where?

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They came from the numbers that the county submits to the Office of Court Administration and to TIDC.

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It comes off of their websites, both of them are on their website.

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And with the permission of the county.

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This is a very nice pleasure.

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Wonderful.

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Yeah, thank you.

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The first first thing that...

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If it's all I have, I have a question.

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Absolutely.

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Is there...

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What about our local attorneys?

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You know, we have local attorneys that take care of the district and county court in law.

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Are they able to continue to...

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We went this way.

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They more of us would wouldn't be able to, because they joined your...

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Well, we would probably try to hire several of them.

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If we can convince them to work for our salaries.

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Our salaries are fairly low.

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But we always try when we start up one of these projects to hire some local people.

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Best example I can give you is star county.

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We've got a little three county regional program that's involved in star county.

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We hired the former district attorney.

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We've been there as the DA for 20 years.

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And we hired his first assistant, who is now our chief defender in the star county operation.

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And we hired an investigator from the Sheriff's Office.

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And we have six lawyers in that county.

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So a third of them are from star county originally with experience.

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But in order to operate, this would be a mixture of felony representation and misdemeanor representation.

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Misdemeanor is we normally start out with fairly inexperienced lawyers, recent law graduates from law school,

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and we train them in house so that they can come up through the system.

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It's important to bring those kinds of lawyers in and train them from the beginning.

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It brings a new bloodstream of lawyers into your community.

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This program, because of the size of your case, would require about a ten lawyer operation.

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And a good mixture would be four or five, six that we could hire locally.

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And a similar number that we would bring in as a recent law school graduates to take on the misdemeanor document in case load.

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Before I get any further into this discussion, I'd like to introduce, I don't need to introduce Ron Walker, I suppose.

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We know Ron.

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We do know Ron's on the TRLA board of directors.

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So he's the boss of it all.

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Robert Doggett is going to be here shortly.

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He was having a child delivery issues at school today, so he's coming out of Austin.

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So he's somewhat delayed, but he'll be here in a few minutes.

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But he is the executive director.

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I'm the former executive director.

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I was there for a number of years.

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Ron was my boss.

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He didn't fire me while I was there.

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I retired honorably.

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There he is.

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And there's Robert Doggett who came in late and this honorably.

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They should kind of just take responses.

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Sure.

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Mr. Jennings question regarding the local attorneys and what happens after this kind of transition.

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So any kind of public defender program can only take up to a certain number of cases,

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because ethical rules prevent them representing the code of attendance in this case.

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There's always going to be a fairly significant amount of cases.

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This is what the result of the grant to is a conflict on contemplative cases.

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We're going to be at the chunk of the cases that public defender will be unable to take.

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So there's going to be an ongoing stream of cases that would be appointed to the same lawyers.

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The other thing that this program would not be involved with is the CPS cases.

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Those family law cases regarding parental rights and criminal rights.

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For most counties of that side of the.

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The appointed council businesses is pretty significant growing.

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This wouldn't really touch that area of engine representation.

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So in terms of cases that would not be handled by this program.

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Those are the big ones and fairly substantial.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So we're just talking about criminal cases.

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Yeah.

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Just to be here.

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And if we could sense.

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I know the court is seeing this for the first time.

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We can look at this sheet right here commissioner on the green heading up at the top.

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And look at exactly what is being proposed here.

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What these folks do is look at our.

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Statistics are case case number of cases we encounter.

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And based upon that volume they.

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And just use statistics statistical model estimate what they need in staffing.

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Given the case load and Victoria they're estimating total full time employees full time equivalents of 16.08.

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People of those 10 are attorneys.

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So based on the case load they're seeing.

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They would need to hire 16 people.

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And you see the cost for that in salary and in benefits.

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About 1.1 million dollars.

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They also estimate their.

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Other expenses utilities space telephone.

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Contract services training all the other stuff about 200,000.

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So based upon our case load.

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Their program contract would cost us about 1.3 million dollars.

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Correct.

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Which certainly obviously is more than the.

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Roughly million we spent.

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Again the.

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Perk here in what makes this possibly feasible is that the state.

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Is call sharing a lot of that.

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Down at the bottom you see.

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The 80% in year one.

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Projected to save us about 777,000.

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Year two at a 60% contribution.

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543,000.

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And then in year three with the 50% call share.

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The savings is estimated to be about 412,000.

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Those numbers were originally lower.

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But in visiting with these folks about.

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The fact that we're going to have to still maintain a private.

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Private attorneys.

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We would need to be a well.

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Code defendants and a lot of this I learned for the first time here recently.

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When there's a.

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A bust and arrest whatever where there's more than one person involved.

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That's what you're purchased code to fit.

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Code defendants which typically in y'all's areas is around 10%.

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But here in Victoria.

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Due to the.

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Providence of I guess gang activity.

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Meth.

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Production it's higher than that around 25%.

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The body system.

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The body system.

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So given that fact y'all were able to scale down your employees a little bit.

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Thus increasing those cost savings.

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One thing we'll have to though still consider on our end is what we would maintain.

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Still maintain paying private attorneys.

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Correct.

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Which looking at that Caitlin we came up with.

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I think around.

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Roughly 200,000.

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Roughly 200,000.

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Is what we'd still maintain paying private attorneys.

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So again this sheet that you're looking at here they're estimate on employees.

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Needed total cost.

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And then the estimated cost savings.

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My goal in all this is to make sure that those numbers at the bottom right are accurate.

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Those cost savings.

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Because I would think we would need to be fairly confident we're saving at least.

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250,000 ish.

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To have some margin for error.

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Constance our DA has something you want to morning.

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Morning.

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How are you doing?

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Good.

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I would be remiss at this jump.

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I didn't speak.

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I want to thank the gentleman.

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First want to say that I know that this organization does fine work.

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And I know that the counties that they are serving.

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They're providing an excellent service.

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The projected numbers that you're looking at that if I'm not mistaken are based on a glimpse

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three years back.

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And so under a different district attorney with the different philosophical approach to case management and

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charting decisions and things like that.

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And so I have to tell you that I don't think that the numbers going forward are going to be reflected

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what you're seeing on paper at this moment.

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And so I'm not saying that in Victoria County in the future this may not be the direction that we need to go.

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But I'm saying to you not yet.

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I would appreciate the opportunity to have a full year or two under our belt to see what impact a new philosophical

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approach has on these numbers.

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I think that would be smart.

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And at the same time, complimenting the court and the judge certainly for exploring any opportunity

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to be good stewards of our tax dollars.

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Not taking issue with that.

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But I'm saying that perhaps it's premature this junction to make that decision because the numbers I think

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are going to look a lot different.

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So I need to sort that into as my duty as you're really like this.

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Sure.

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Speaking of the time frame, you had mentioned application needs to be made in May.

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Right.

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What is the time period for approval, a notification of award and that long term.

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Tell me something.

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Yeah that happens is June.

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Tell me some stops along the way.

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All the way to yonder on go in Victoria County.

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Right.

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The award decision to invite in June.

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Right.

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So our staff will typically present the request to our board and at the June meeting, which was early

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June, they can take action at that point.

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I mentioned that since the there's still some refining and then it's due to the budget.

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If, you know, we don't present the grant request to our board until the county is fully ready to do so.

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So even though we haven't made sense to have any kind of get something in the offer,

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we've presented board in either June or August.

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More likely I would think in this case it probably be right.

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To present the board for action in August.

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The startup program which typically be slated for the fiscal year 2020, which is the end of October on our calendar.

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We're known for those counties.

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So we'd be looking at starting up October 1st.

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Because the idea is whenever we implement it.

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A larger program, that schedule often is hard to meet. So we don't have a move forward until all the stakeholders are prepared to move forward. We can leave the request pending for a few months, if needed, as detailed or worked out. But the standard time limit would be to start up in October, unless there's still work to be.

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We're on a calendar year. I don't know if that makes a difference.

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Now, on these numbers, you'll pull out the family loans, stuff that you can't do.

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Yes, the family loss stuff is not included in the program. The case was were based on review as your district attorney just mentioned.

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Her review of the most recent three years of data that we have about the volume of criminal cases and how many attorneys and staff would be needed for that case.

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And there has been, and I concur with the district attorney, there has been fairly dramatic change, even within this last three year period in which she was not in the role of the district attorney.

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And that's not uncommon. You may see a 20, 30% difference from year to year, which is the reason we use three year averaging.

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And we go back every year and look at the numbers over the most recent three year period and make adjustments. So if the case is decreased by 20% in the next year or the current year, that will be reflected in the next time the grant comes up for renewal, both with TIT and with the county.

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So it's a running kind of an average that we're looking at and those adjustments are made throughout the period. And of course there's always the option if you don't like how the numbers are working for you to opt out of the contract.

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The only thing we ask is that you pay us for the cases that we still have obligations on.

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And I'll speak briefly to that. That it is correct and appreciate constants you bringing that up because we do a different administration in the DA's office. I think we'll definitely lead to savings there to what extent we don't know yet.

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Of course those savings would be realized without proceeding with the off we stick with our current program, but you're saying we'd also it seems like I know that dynamic is true we will see some lowering of calls, but with that unknown prevent us from proceeding.

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If instead of a million we drop to 800,000 would that be a deal killer.

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And that's a question we have to answer and certainly something we need to consider because that is a variable here.

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There's some other variables we'll get to but constants.

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I didn't elaborate further and I'm not trying to tell you the meaning that the biggest jumps that we saw in our numbers coincided with the prior administration's data bi-trop calls.

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And so one change in the way we do business can have a dramatic effect on the numbers that you're looking at.

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The policies is wrong.

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Right. Right.

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We're only three months into administration and I'm not sure if I can guarantee the numbers are going to be lower going forward just because we are addressing things all different.

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My predecessor.

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A lot of the fact that he tried cases at three times the state average and we're we're not embracing that.

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We've got a lot of opportunities and differences.

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The other few concerns we is that if we go forward in this way with the code event of race that we have on the books,

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the likelihood that the local attorneys that take those cases and accept, you know, they're part of their practice.

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They will move in another direction altogether.

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We can't make any practice without being, you know, on an important angle.

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And so I need to go back to some of those folks with one of these 25% of our docket.

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They're not going to be the course.

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You know, it would be a realistic to expect that they're going to wait around for those cases.

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They have to make a living and no one to other practice areas or go to another place.

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And so that does concern this well.

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I have a question.

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We're right on the cuss of the population cut off for the funding of the levels you spoke.

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In the coming year, our census census of about $100,000 to the formula does that change.

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So we haven't been asked the question.

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You asked that I would be the commission would I think look at that.

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To the benefit of the county.

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I don't think we would suddenly splash it when you get to 100,000.

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We're right.

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Correct.

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We came up with that threshold.

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There's a bill in legislature currently that is directing our agency to prioritize funding for county for low 100,000.

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Of course, any number you think you're going to be sort of arbitrary.

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But I think the idea is that we want to prioritize the system.

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More counties compared to the ordinance.

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And so I wouldn't anticipate that much of a risk coming.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Correct.

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What we're exactly with this is historically.

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Well, do you hire new attorneys fresh out of law school because they're cheaper?

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I mean, you know, the attorneys we have here have got to help a lot of experience in this field.

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We're looking for a mixture.

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We need about equal number of inexperienced and experienced lawyers.

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So TRLA is a very large nonprofit law firm.

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We have currently about 185 lawyers.

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It's the largest civil legal services program in the country.

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So that means we have to recruit constantly year round.

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And we recruit all across the country.

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So we're always trying to bring in new people at right out of law school.

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We bring in 15 or 20 a year in an ordinary course of things.

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When you bring in, when you start up a new defender program at a jurisdiction,

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we always try to hire some of the experienced local lawyers as a priority because we need that kind of community knowledge and experience

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to train and mentor the younger lawyers.

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And then we bring in that fresh blood from the law schools.

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And hopefully put them in the community where they'll stay in the community.

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And rise up through the ranks to management roles within the organization.

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So that's what we try to do.

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You're not always successful in doing that.

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We prioritize, for example, in our recruitment efforts.

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People who are bilingual in English and Spanish because a significant number of our clients speak Spanish.

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So we want to have people who can communicate in that language.

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That reduces the poo fairly dramatically.

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And we make exceptions all the time to that.

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But it is an important factor that we have to consider.

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But yes, we will try earnestly to hire some of your local lawyers to take on these responsibilities.

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You don't have any idea over all what percentage on the facility you're already operating?

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Well, I mentioned the star county, which is the closest in terms of size we're dealing with here.

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The star county has a population now, 62, 63,000.

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Victoria County's 92, and the last I'll look.

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But star county's poverty population is about almost 50% of the population is eligible for our services.

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Victoria County, it's about 20% less than 20%, 18%.

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So we actually have 10,000 more clients, potential clients in star county than we do in Victoria.

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But we've hired locally in star county.

442
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,000
We've hired, as I mentioned in the former DA in his first assistant.

443
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:46,000
One of the other lawyers we had there was another person who had experience in the county attorney's office.

444
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:55,000
But whenever we can find local experience lawyers who are good, we want to try to hire him.

445
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000
It's for everybody's benefit.

446
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:08,000
What we're trying to do is run as operationally efficient as we possibly can, and that comes with having experienced lawyers who can work with the judges.

447
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:20,000
Your judges have been almost uniformly and outspokenly from the district judges who had experience with our program in Golead and Referio counties.

448
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,000
Have been praising.

449
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,000
And we did invite them all our four district judges to county court at law judges.

450
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,000
They had conflicting court room obligations.

451
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:38,000
But I know at least three, well three of our four district judges were supportive of it.

452
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,000
The other I just haven't spoken to.

453
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:47,000
I think one, where did our county court at law stand?

454
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,000
One, I know Judge Ernst didn't appear to be supportive of it.

455
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
I'm not sure about Judge Gillard.

456
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
It sounded very much like Commissioner Janik.

457
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,000
He was concerned about, and I think Commissioner Burns expressed this in the leading two,

458
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:10,000
concerned about the private attorneys who might be displaced in some proportion.

459
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,000
And that was the biggest concern I think that he was articulate.

460
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,000
Yeah, and that's one variable we do have to consider.

461
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Yes, sir.

462
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Do you have somebody?

463
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
If you just give us your name.

464
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Yes.

465
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000
I'm a local attorney and I've been practicing.

466
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000
I think this coming November of the 26 years.

467
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,000
And it's always been here in town.

468
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Isn't this around the county?

469
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Isn't this a significant portion of what I do?

470
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,000
It was working on it for both criminal and some of the family.

471
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,000
But not so much to have.

472
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Two observations.

473
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
I don't have access.

474
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,000
I don't believe to have all the numbers that you generally have.

475
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,000
I can't miss easily.

476
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Well, what I think I'm essentially hearing.

477
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,000
And I've certainly been hearing about this for the last.

478
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000
Maybe four or six years with pretty high level of intensity.

479
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,000
It's going around the court now.

480
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Is what I think I'm effectively hearing is.

481
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,000
Maybe a defacto presumption.

482
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,000
That the first year the grant will be.

483
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
That that that is, I think, set.

484
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,000
And the next year's 60.

485
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000
But I think the presumption comes in.

486
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000
Where.

487
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
That it's just going to get to 50%.

488
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,000
And it's going to come from the same.

489
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,000
And it's going to stay that way, potentially.

490
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Now, that's certainly possible.

491
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,000
But as we all know when we're talking about the future.

492
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,000
It's always contingent on various things that are used with all of our.

493
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000
It's kind of like you buy a new house.

494
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000
And you know, both neighbor.

495
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000
There aren't any houses there yet.

496
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,000
You're one of them.

497
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
The developer tells you will don't worry.

498
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,000
We're going to.

499
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000
You know, we're going to.

500
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000
Surround you with very nice homes.

501
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Just like you know, but as time goes on, you may discover that.

502
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,000
That does really happen to be market forces and other things.

503
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
For beyond the developers.

504
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Cool.

505
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,000
I'm not trying to say that the organization here is the developer.

506
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:18,000
And you know, we just don't know about the availability of grants.

507
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,000
They may still be here in the next four or five years, the next 10 years.

508
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Then again, they may not.

509
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,000
No one knows where the economy is going.

510
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
No one knows where they're going.

511
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:35,000
The other observation I'd like to make is I have seen some numbers indicating that.

512
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:41,000
The newer lawyers, the brand new lawyers will be coming out and working at your position.

513
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,000
The numbers I've seen and sent me in an email.

514
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000
I believe it was 35.

515
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Maybe it was 45,000 dollars here.

516
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Now, I'm not totally sure on that.

517
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,000
You may have numbers to encounter.

518
00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:01,000
But I would submit that, you know, I'm fortunate enough to have to be old enough to have gone through law school.

519
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:07,000
And gone through a code I code expensive law school where I paid for the whole thing with loans.

520
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:12,000
And I borrowed the grant total of 24,000 dollars for all three years.

521
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Now, the time I got out, I thought that was the absolute king's ransom.

522
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,000
But, you know, I paid it all.

523
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:25,000
I believe that on this point, youngsters are probably coming out with eight to ten times.

524
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,000
That amount of money that they have invested and more.

525
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,000
I would submit that what's going to wind up happening.

526
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:38,000
At least with the brand new lawyers, it seems that the organization wants to hire.

527
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Is that they're not going to be here from now.

528
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000
They're going to be from larger cities.

529
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,000
They're going to probably rent an apartment on a six month lease.

530
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:55,000
And if they're probably, as they do a good job here, I'm sure they'll do the best they can.

531
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:59,000
But they're going to be actively looking for something that pays more.

532
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,000
And I would submit to you that after the six month lease, or after the year.

533
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,000
And they're going to find something more lucrative and good life.

534
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000
Right?

535
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,000
They're probably going to owed them that this amount of money.

536
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,000
And everybody wants to do that.

537
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:21,000
And so I submit that what's going to happen is that, to a large extent, the defense,

538
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:28,000
or that you're going to get on these energy cases through no fall in their own or of the organization.

539
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
You're going to have tremendous turnover.

540
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,000
You're going to have people that work here for nine months and they've been six months today.

541
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:40,000
Maybe you're 15 months and then they need to go to the stands on your work, or the school.

542
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,000
But better, higher paying job.

543
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:48,000
And so you're constantly going to have somebody else who's always being trained,

544
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,000
that they're being trained in the courtroom.

545
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,000
And you're not going to have to be experienced a little bit.

546
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:00,000
But I think to have, as far as accountability, I have seen over the years.

547
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,000
You know, it hasn't been epidemic, but there have been some lawyers on the one that was who clearly weren't taking their obligation seriously, and they were just kind of trying to escape through.

548
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:21,000
And I've seen judges remove those from the lips, and it doesn't take very long. They figure out pretty quickly who cares, who does it, who is doing their homework, who is it.

549
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,000
And you know, I think there's already a system in place that's called our judges.

550
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:33,000
Or I'd like to look at the lawyers who maybe aren't going to take it seriously and send them on their work.

551
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:44,000
So, again, I don't have any against the organization, but at the same time, I think there are parallels both financial and professional if the county goes to court.

552
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Well, thank you, Mr. White.

553
00:45:47,000 --> 00:46:01,000
I guess I could be more sympathetic to the second consideration about the turnover, maybe folks going to make more money elsewhere.

554
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:15,000
The first issue we did talk about, the state pulling the money in the grant going away, but I don't think fear of that should prevent us from proceeding, if that's what we think we should do.

555
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:22,000
Because if the grant goes away, we revert to the status quo.

556
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:30,000
We don't want to, for fear of that, grab the status quo immediately. I mean, it's possible that do.

557
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:42,000
I mean, if we were to go into this program and the money were to go away in three years or four whenever, we'd have to redevelop the and pay the expense of back to the attorney wheel,

558
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,000
but in foregoing this option, that's where we are anywhere.

559
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:23,000
I'm so, probably, I'm 53, I probably have the lower allows being another 18 years of working life left, that's what I'd like to do.

560
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:32,000
And I think I can speak for most of the orders, people are going to wait around to see if we go back to the steps.

561
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:40,000
But they're going to, like everybody else, they're going to move on to another life to put it, perhaps it'll be something else here in town and they'll be real.

562
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:47,000
You know, a lot of us have backers degrees are very remarkable, and we may just go off and get something outside.

563
00:47:47,000 --> 00:48:00,000
What I'm saying is, if there's later an attempt to go back to the status quo, you may find yourself with virtually nobody who's willing to step up and do that,

564
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:06,000
or especially once they get the idea that, well, you know, I do this gig for a couple of years and then you know, living in it.

565
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,000
So I don't think it's going to be very attractive for people to want for lawyers to want to wait around to see how it works out.

566
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,000
They're going to move on, they've got their bills, and so they want me to say.

567
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000
Thank you, sir.

568
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Yes, sir, Ron.

569
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000
I asked where I wasn't going to say anything, so I apologize.

570
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,000
Well, then why are you even being here?

571
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,000
Well, we didn't input.

572
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:35,000
Judge Stevenson once said when I had, you want to question a witness, I said, I have no question.

573
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,000
She said, that's most eloquent you've been.

574
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:43,000
So anyway, I'm going to be less eloquent, but I do want to address the issue of the competency.

575
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:52,000
I was appointed by state bar to be on the board of this organization over years ago, and it's can't quite get off,

576
00:48:52,000 --> 00:49:01,000
but the lawyers that they attract out of law school are absolutely outstanding.

577
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:08,000
They are dedicated, they are to helping people out.

578
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,000
They stay on, and I'm not exaggerating.

579
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:21,000
Probably this year we hired people from Harvard, you know, Berkeley, you know, across the United States,

580
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,000
UT, very competent people.

581
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:34,000
What attracts them is the type of work that they want to help these citizens out.

582
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,000
But also, we have a program of loan forgiveness.

583
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:46,000
If you're with the program for two years, your student loans are forgiven 100%.

584
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,000
Even if they're six figures, student loans like was referenced.

585
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:56,000
Yes, I mean, we like to say we attract people from big name, law school, all across the United States.

586
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:05,000
So what you're going to have is you're going to have some good local lawyers,

587
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:13,000
and combined with these really brilliant young people who are going to be brought to this community.

588
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,000
So I don't think you're going to see a downturn.

589
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,000
In fact, I think the district judges will tell you there's no such thing or it hasn't happened yet.

590
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:29,000
So I wouldn't be concerned about the quality of representation that these people are going to do.

591
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:36,000
And what a quality lawyer will do, and I know the DA will agree with me.

592
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:41,000
I'd much rather have a qualified lawyer on the other side of the one who's not, because you can get things done.

593
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:46,000
So they're going to have qualified people who will be able to move these cases.

594
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Please, the ones they need to try the ones they need to, but you're going to have competency, not that you don't have it now,

595
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,000
but you don't have to have a fear of incompetency, because you're going to have good people down here.

596
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:06,000
And, you know, hopefully after a few years, they, you know, will move on and be members of this community.

597
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:14,000
But I think the longevity is just not there, just because the way of this type of people they recruit and the structure of the lump together.

598
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:19,000
So, to think of a good shape thing. So I'm, it's fine. I take up time.

599
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,000
Oh, no problem. Thank you for that wrong. Appreciate it.

600
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:34,000
I would just mention the, the, in addition to the loan forgiveness thing, we start off 60% of the first 12 months and 80% of their student loans in the second year.

601
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,000
And then it goes to a hundred percent.

602
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:41,000
It has been children that cost for the defender program.

603
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,000
It, no cost to you or no cost to the state of the county.

604
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:57,000
We're trying to work with TIDC to see if we can't shift some of that cost because it's been a little under $200,000 a year that we take on.

605
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:03,000
On the civil side of our program, we have the same kind of job benefit.

606
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:15,000
But there are a lot of alternatives through the state and through other sources for that kind of loan forgiveness on the criminal side of the docket there isn't.

607
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,000
So we've continued that for our public defender lawyers.

608
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,000
We start salaries at 50,000.

609
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,000
After you've been licensed.

610
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,000
And it goes up from there to about 75,000.

611
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:39,000
Though most of the people with experience are in some kind of a leadership role that pays higher salaries than that.

612
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:52,000
But if you're being paid 50,000, 52,000 in the second year, plus loan forgiveness, many of those are making 60 to 70,000 in effect.

613
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,000
Because of the loan forgiveness operation.

614
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:02,000
And that helps explain why our turnover program wide is around 10 or 11% a year.

615
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,000
So it's pretty small.

616
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:11,000
How does that compare to, I mean, that doesn't seem terribly high, given it's, it's not.

617
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000
What's the basis for comparison?

618
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,000
What's the typical DA's office?

619
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Oh, we had transitions, but I know, not us now.

620
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:26,000
There's been leadership changes, but just in general what?

621
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,000
I don't know that.

622
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,000
Okay.

623
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,000
We looked at a comparison for a different program about a year and a half ago.

624
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,000
Just give you just a very high level overview.

625
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:41,000
We looked at salaries for county attorneys, assistant district attorneys, and there's a pretty big range.

626
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:49,000
But, you know, one thing that fair mind is that those salaries come with things in most cases of county tension, good benefits, package, health care.

627
00:53:49,000 --> 00:54:00,000
It ranged from 50,000 or so for assistant county attorney, handling miscommuners, which is kind of on far with this kind of budget.

628
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,000
People handling salaries and district attorneys offices in the 70's was pretty typical.

629
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,000
You go to the bank and say, you're going to go back to quite a bit.

630
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,000
The salary structure definitely changes in the urban counties.

631
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:23,000
But, you know, 50's and 70's for miscommuner and attorney attorney is kind of a ballpark of what we saw with a lot of dignity, a lot of variation, kind of.

632
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:24,000
Okay.

633
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Okay.

634
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:31,000
I'm kind of shoot from the hip, but in the long forgiveness kind of standard and a lot of larger firms.

635
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,000
I'm just, I never was in a ward.

636
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,000
I don't know if any invigorating would offer that.

637
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Brian, do you don't hear that?

638
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,000
And, oh.

639
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,000
I don't.

640
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:59,000
My daughter's with, go right, my daughter lost the bank of the government.

641
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:03,000
Maybe they got their lungs forgiven but you're still sending a check.

642
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,000
They're making plenty of money.

643
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,000
I think it's built into the salary package.

644
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,000
Well, I, if you think is a point out, I did.

645
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:22,000
The concerns, the issues brought up are very legitimate in their things that we need to have a grasp.

646
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,000
A grasp on as far as the impact.

647
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:32,000
I guess big picture from my point of view, if we were reasonably confident that in this case,

648
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:40,000
that in this arrangement, we could save 250 or so thousand a year.

649
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,000
I think it would be something that we would need to seriously consider.

650
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:50,000
There are some non-financial negatives, some non-financial perks,

651
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:59,000
but it would need to make sense from a financial point of view with a margin of error built into there to make it doable.

652
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:09,000
I think the bigger items pushing that's called savings one direction or the other is our high code defendant,

653
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:20,000
which will still cause us to need to maintain a private, private attorney wheel where we'll pay probably 200,000 a year or so.

654
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:26,000
Grant it that wheel may be harder to man, given folks getting out of the business, moving on whatever.

655
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,000
That's one item.

656
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,000
The second item, I think, may already be accounted for in these numbers.

657
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:42,000
And that was early on my questions as to how we can make this offer better, given the fact that we have a pre-trial service office,

658
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,000
doing a lot of these things that y'all would ordinarily do.

659
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,000
It looks like that's already been built into the equation.

660
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:59,000
Other factors that will brought up the DA's comment about our costs are going to be trending lower.

661
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:07,000
No doubt we'll see that, but you based your estimates on a three year average.

662
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:22,000
So even if we had a 40% reduction in the first year, the impact on our total expense considering a three year average, I don't know if it would kill the deal.

663
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:33,000
We would still realize presumably some of those call savings in y'all's estimate as far as the staffing that you need in future years.

664
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:45,000
One thing too, we haven't brought up in the proposal you've given us, and in the price tag you've given us, it has a rental office space of nearly $50,000.

665
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:58,000
We're about to close a deal on some real estate, which would give the county ample office space to house these folks both from Victoria as well as surrounding areas,

666
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:07,000
whether that could be set up as an in-kind allowance in the fee amount or you know, could give us a rental payment.

667
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:14,000
I mean that's an area there where I think could be built into the deal to make it work.

668
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:26,000
Another consideration I know I've talked to some other counties, neighboring counties of ours, who are kind of looking to us to see what we do before they decide what they do.

669
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:38,000
It would seem that an economy scale, if there were others that joined, perhaps that could be built into this also further increasing our call savings.

670
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:52,000
So those are a few dynamics that are not certain, but we I think need to explore them to come to a number of call savings number that were pretty confident we could realize.

671
00:58:52,000 --> 00:59:08,000
Then from the vantage point of the court. Well, I guess from y'all's perspective we still haven't figured it out yet, but if we could get a $250, $300,000 annual call savings through this arrangement.

672
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000
What would be your thoughts on that?

673
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:25,000
I want to talk to the other judges. I mean, we don't have very much information to this now, which I question, and you know, I want to talk to the judges and the other attorneys.

674
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:37,000
Although I really respect what our VA said, I put a lot of weight in her, you know, her opinion, and it's nice to be able to do that, by the way.

675
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:43,000
But I'd like to talk to some people. I know we need to do it in the hurry.

676
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:51,000
I wouldn't say we're in an extreme hurry. We would we need to turn in basically an intent application by the 10th.

677
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,000
But that wouldn't obligate. Actually, I think it's a full application.

678
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:59,000
And I guess my point earlier was if the budget is.

679
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:10,000
The budget and scope questions are still outstanding. You can note that in the application, and we won't finalize it or present it to our board until you're ready to submit.

680
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:19,000
So, as long as there's something, I guess the May 10 deadline is to have some kind of request in the offer with provisional members, if you will, working members.

681
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:28,000
And that will give us the opportunity to review all of the opportunity to refine the request about the district, et cetera.

682
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:36,000
And Commissioner, you're certainly be good to talk to the judges. I know they've been eager to talk about this.

683
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:45,000
The district judges seem to be supportive, the county court of law judges, probably not, but that would be smart.

684
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:52,000
And as I've mentioned, we aren't in don't need to make a decision on this today.

685
01:00:52,000 --> 01:01:04,000
The bigger picture question, I think, well, that I'm trying to answer is what can we anticipate as far as it calls savings, that we're pretty sure we could actually get.

686
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,000
Make sure our assumptions in all this are correct.

687
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:23,000
Hopefully, if I walk you through the changes that I made in that sense, the previous numbers, which I think were around $315,000 in savings at 50% state funding.

688
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:36,000
I was attempting to get more precise numbers on the conflicts ratios from the pre trial services and the district attorney's office was not successful.

689
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:49,000
But so what I did for the purposes of this study was to double the experience ratio on conflicts that we had in star county.

690
01:01:49,000 --> 01:02:02,000
So to do that in simply as possible on this thing, I reduced the percentage of cases that are allocated to the public defender program by 10%.

691
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,000
As a substitute for a conflict ratio.

692
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,000
Is that a sufficient reduction?

693
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:16,000
Well, nor we had about a what, a 25%, 25% to 30%.

694
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,000
Okay.

695
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,000
Yeah.

696
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:29,000
Those numbers give me a lot of discomfort because that's not anything like what we experienced elsewhere.

697
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,000
And I don't know what between Victor.

698
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,000
There's a fair amount of criminal activity in star county.

699
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,000
I've heard.

700
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,000
It's so you've heard, yes.

701
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,000
And they're.

702
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,000
Real grand city on the border.

703
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,000
Just upriver from Mac Allen.

704
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,000
So, you know, that's the history that I'm looking at.

705
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,000
It's kind of a benchmark here.

706
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:08,000
Our actual conflict ratio based on the numbers that we have actually interviewed people at identify a conflict was 0.6% less than 1%.

707
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:20,000
Now, that excludes people who were conflicted out because without us doing an interview.

708
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:26,000
So, we've done estimates that not based on data, but estimates.

709
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:32,000
And I don't know whether that's what, what, what, nor is the numbers based on or how we're getting to those numbers.

710
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:45,000
But 10 to 12% is what I'm told is the actual conflict, if you will, but an estimated revenue derived number based on actual interviews.

711
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:55,000
So, you know, to jump from 0.6% to 30% seems to me to be unrealistic.

712
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,000
0.6% 0.6%.

713
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,000
Oh, that's 10%.

714
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,000
That's 10%.

715
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,000
What did I miss?

716
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:13,000
The difference between people that we have actually interviewed and identified a conflict is, I think there were like 17 last year, that we actually interviewed.

717
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:18,000
And we went through a conflict's check and we said we've got a conflict here.

718
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:29,000
As opposed to people who we never interviewed, they went to a bondsman, for example.

719
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:34,000
And a bondsman said, well, this is a group case.

720
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:39,000
TRLA's only going to take one of them, don't bother to go over there.

721
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:49,000
So, there are a fair number of people we think who were never interviewed by TRLA and therefore never got into our system.

722
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:55,000
So, the ones that got into our system is meniskeed and we've identified as a conflict.

723
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:00,000
Those that were never interviewed is substantially larger number.

724
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,000
We're estimating about 10 times the number that we actually saw.

725
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,000
So, that's the reason for the disparity in the numbers.

726
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:18,000
I'm much more comfortable if we've interviewed somebody and identified a conflict because we have systems in place for doing those conflicts checks.

727
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:31,000
It's not only people who have a group case co-dependence, but it's also people that we've represented on a previous case.

728
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:41,000
So, is that determination of black and white determination to clear-cut or or y'all to have discretion as far as it's a conflict?

729
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,000
No, it's not a conflict. How does that work?

730
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Well, all lawyers have an obligation to identify conflicts and avoid them.

731
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:58,000
And so, the way it works in our shop, everything is on the computer.

732
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:05,000
So, if first thing we do is find out the person's name, social security number.

733
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:14,000
We run it through the computer to see if we have represented an opposing party in any previous case.

734
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,000
And if we have, it comes up as a conflict.

735
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:31,000
And then we either have to resolve that conflict or we withdraw from further discussions with the point and turn it over to the defender context, turn it over to the wheel.

736
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:37,000
So, but we've made a record of that in that sort of situation.

737
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:46,000
But if somebody has been diverted from that system informally, we wouldn't have a record of it.

738
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:50,000
And there are a lot more of those in the R1s that we have a record of.

739
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:54,000
But I doubt that it's 30 times more or 35 times more.

740
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,000
I think it's probably more like 10, 12, 15 times more.

741
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,000
Does that include like the family not law or North?

742
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,000
Because y'all can't.

743
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,000
That's correct.

744
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,000
So, yeah.

745
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,000
I can't.

746
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,000
This doesn't include family law at all.

747
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,000
So, this doesn't include any civil cases.

748
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:17,000
It's going to only be criminal misdemeanor felony.

749
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,000
So, you're still going to have all your expenses on the civil side.

750
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,000
Along with these expenses until you are alive.

751
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:28,000
Of course, those expenses on the civil side aren't reflected in here.

752
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,000
Correct.

753
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:33,000
So, we're going to have those regardless.

754
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:38,000
You're going to have another about 300,000 on top of that.

755
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Now, we'll see yet.

756
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,000
Forgive me that.

757
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,000
So, I haven't been able to look at and choose paper, right?

758
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,000
Okay.

759
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,000
So, how about the juveniles?

760
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,000
Where we all also covered juveniles?

761
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:51,000
Yes, we're covered.

762
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,000
And it's proposal.

763
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,000
I just wanted to ask one of our patients.

764
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,000
So, whatever the actual rate of the conflict cases is.

765
01:07:58,000 --> 01:07:59,000
And it's been confusing.

766
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:05,000
I think Morris got some good data from your systems that it's next percentage.

767
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:10,000
And I think, you know, it's really a data challenge.

768
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,000
And we just need to sit down and come all the data and come up with a number that makes sense.

769
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,000
There's a couple of, I think, correct me from Monday.

770
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,000
But when we worked with other counties for the contract material,

771
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,000
a contract has a kind of, you know, based on our projections.

772
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,000
We will handle this many, up to this many cases.

773
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,000
That's kind of guaranteed in your contract.

774
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:35,000
And if it turns out that that number is below.

775
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:40,000
You know, it is based on an overly conservative assumption about contracts.

776
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,000
Well, then, you know, everybody's encountering cases.

777
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,000
They come in.

778
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,000
That can be addressed at that time.

779
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:51,000
But I think so, you know, whatever the contracts that you all would enter into,

780
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:57,000
potentially, enter into what have the numbers, they agree upon numbers.

781
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,000
And you wouldn't be obliged to represent people beyond that.

782
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,000
And you wouldn't be obliged to pay them for it.

783
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:11,000
So if the actual caseload that you undertook was less than that amount,

784
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,000
where would that lead us?

785
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:19,000
Well, I think that would be, I'm assuming that would be adjusted in the next year's contract.

786
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,000
It's more likely that they would be, I think,

787
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:27,000
you would set the rate for your comfortable based on perhaps more conservative assumption.

788
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,000
And then, it's more cases are flowing in.

789
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,000
They would bring that to your attention and talk about the need to adjust the contract.

790
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,000
Yeah.

791
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:44,000
For example, in star county, again, those three counties, star gem log and dovol,

792
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,000
which is kind of again comparable to what we're talking about here.

793
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:58,000
We have taken on, in the last year, about 17% more cases than what we originally contracted for.

794
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,000
And we haven't been paid for those cases.

795
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,000
We took them on anyway because of sense of obligation.

796
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:12,000
But we're going to be sitting down with those county judges and revising those numbers fairly soon,

797
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,000
because we can't continue doing that.

798
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:21,000
And the state's 50% call share is only on the pre-determined contract amount.

799
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,000
So if we come in 17% over, there's no call share on that.

800
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000
Correct.

801
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,000
TRLA takes that yet.

802
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Well, in turn, we would take that yet.

803
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,000
No, TRLA would take that yet.

804
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,000
Okay.

805
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,000
It would be sounded for your next year.

806
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,000
You're signing a contract for a fixed amount.

807
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,000
Okay, I'm with you.

808
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:48,000
So if we go over it in a year, then more cases than what we contracted for, that's TRLA's problem.

809
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:49,000
I see, okay.

810
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:54,000
And if it's less, then we're going to have to adjust it either way, whether it's more or less.

811
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,000
So it's a continuing contractual relationship.

812
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:07,000
And if we had a serious aberration, if, for example, the new district attorney decided that she's only going to end

813
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:16,000
by 20% as many people as the prior administration, then we're not going to wait for a year for that to get worked out.

814
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:21,000
We're going to get back together again because we want to keep you guys happy.

815
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:29,000
So we're going to renegotiate the contract whenever you feel in the need to renegotiate the contract.

816
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:34,000
Either side can terminate this contract on 90 days notice.

817
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:41,000
So it's a continuing kind of relationship, where we work with you on that.

818
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:45,000
How many counties in Texas, your current contract with 10?

819
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,000
10.

820
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:52,000
Are there any exclusions within criminal cases like capital deal cover?

821
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,000
You'll cover capital cases or some of the bigger stuff that gets really expensive?

822
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:02,000
We handle capital cases if the death penalty is not sold.

823
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:10,000
And we've taken on one or two capital cases where death penalty was requested.

824
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:17,000
Those are incredibly expensive and take up an awful lot of time.

825
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:28,000
So in our contracts, we put an exclusion for those cases unless we agree otherwise with the county.

826
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,000
And TITC does provide funding and not sure if the current county is in the program.

827
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:41,000
But there is a regional public defender office for capital cases where the death penalty is not programs based and love it for counties across the state.

828
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,000
Yeah, I think we opted not to do that. We're not in that program.

829
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:55,000
That would be the suggestion for protecting yourself against those very large possible death penalty cases that we offer through our programs.

830
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:01,000
This would be, I would not think that you should count on death penalty cases.

831
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:06,000
I mean, I'm kind of ignorant on this port.

832
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:09,000
Now boys had a question, how do you determine the true engine?

833
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,000
The y'all need that or will the judges do that?

834
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Well, in this case, you have a free trial services doing that.

835
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:22,000
And we can either continue with that sort of an arrangement.

836
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:31,000
That's not a much of a time killer. It takes us about six minutes average to make that determination.

837
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:38,000
We do about 30,000 of those a year at TRLI program wide.

838
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:41,000
So it's quick.

839
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:58,000
I mean, I made an adjustment in these budget numbers for about 0.08 FTE of an investigator to cover the time spent on doing that.

840
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,000
So it's not much time.

841
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:09,000
But we can certainly work with Norse Shop and how we want to divvy up those kinds of responsibilities.

842
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:13,000
In most of our counties, there is no pre-trial services office.

843
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,000
The judges are the ones that have to do that.

844
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:19,000
And they're more than happy to dump that on us.

845
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:23,000
So I've noticed. So we do that typically.

846
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:30,000
Mr. Merchist, just saying down in the county office, the county judge is ultimately having a responsibility to determine who qualified for these services.

847
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,000
Who's engine, who's not?

848
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:38,000
With your county, and it's really the credit of your county that you have with pre-trial services in Norse program in place.

849
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,000
They do a good job.

850
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:52,000
And the, you know, some of the judges will delegate with authority to look at get the financial information from the defendants and figure out if they're poor enough to deserve an appointed attorney.

851
01:14:52,000 --> 01:15:00,000
But ultimately, the butt stops with the judges and the judges will often delegate that responsibility either to pre-trial services for in some cases.

852
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,000
Do these numbers reflect keeping our free trial services?

853
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:17,000
What those numbers do is it takes out that six minutes per case of an investigator's time.

854
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:21,000
And so it reduced the investigator time slightly.

855
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:22,000
So, yes.

856
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,000
There's been no discussion about,

857
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:35,000
Okay, well, the original proposal called for 17.53 FTE's, the revised numbers is 16.08.

858
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:40,000
But that was both the dynamic of pre-trial and the higher code.

859
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,000
That's correct.

860
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000
Okay.

861
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
Okay.

862
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,000
Okay.

863
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,000
That's one more quick thing.

864
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:51,000
I mean, I know you all, I appreciate the time that you've given this consideration.

865
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,000
David is talking a lot about the program in Star County.

866
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,000
That's a regional program in the Star.

867
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,000
A few of all in Jim Bond County down the Rio Grande Valley.

868
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,000
But because I think it's comfortable in scope.

869
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:07,000
The other program that's been in place for a number of years is based in B County.

870
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:12,000
I mean, being live open with Mullin, that at Golyan, or Furio, and LaVaca.

871
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:16,000
I'm looking at a couple other counties that might join that regional program.

872
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:21,000
Mr. Burns had mentioned wanting to hear from the judges about this criminal court judge.

873
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,000
And I think that's essential to have those conversations.

874
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:31,000
I'd also recommend if you have the opportunity to talk to some of the other either constitutional county judges or in some cases,

875
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,000
like the missions that are more involved in those counties.

876
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:43,000
Again, with LaVaca, Golyan, Fur Furio, that have recently joined generally from what we've been hearing in Austin.

877
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,000
The program is very happy with the program.

878
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:53,000
So, in addition to talking to your own criminal judges, hearing from some of the other folks that said in your seats in neighboring counties is probably helpful.

879
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,000
In terms of how the program is working for me.

880
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,000
I just wanted to recommend that to some of these people.

881
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,000
There you go.

882
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,000
Thank you Edwin.

883
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,000
One other questions might jump out here.

884
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:09,000
I know, and obviously we're not going to vote or decide on anything today.

885
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,000
This is just informational.

886
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:24,000
Any questions up here are things we need to search further to get the answer to beyond what's been previously mentioned.

887
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,000
Judge, if I may, I guess suggestion.

888
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:37,000
One of the things that we've heard from other counties is that having a defender program has a positive impact on your jail budget.

889
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:44,000
That it reduces the time people have to sit in jail at $55, $60 a day.

890
01:17:45,000 --> 01:18:00,000
The star county again, as the auditor's office, did such an informal survey last year and came up with a number of about a half a million dollars that the public defender program they thought were saved.

891
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,000
I don't know how good that study is.

892
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,000
And I haven't looked at the underlying data.

893
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:17,000
But one of the things you got to do is look at a baseline for before you start the defender program.

894
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:33,000
And what would probably be very helpful both to you and us is if we ran that kind of a baseline study here in Victoria and maybe one or two of the other counties around here that are thinking about joining Jackson Galloon.

895
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:51,000
Running that kind of a study to see whether there are material savings and try to isolate the public defender program as being the factor that causes those savings.

896
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:56,000
Is that something y'all would be interested in participating in?

897
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:01,000
Seeing the data from these other counties, I would, yes, indeed.

898
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:07,000
Well, we already do calculate that based on a pretty child program with us on these services.

899
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,000
In other counties also?

900
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,000
Not in the other counties for Victoria.

901
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,000
Okay, so that's part of the report that you received.

902
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,000
Yeah, okay, I guess we get that.

903
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:22,000
I would be curious to see other counties how it has affected jail population.

904
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:31,000
I'd, in the whole exercise we're doing here trying to gather this data that I think would be of use to see sure.

905
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:35,000
Okay.

906
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,000
Any further questions up here?

907
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,000
Okay.

908
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:46,000
Well, I certainly appreciate you all's time this morning.

909
01:19:46,000 --> 01:20:00,000
In the information you've given us again, my, I guess, biggest effort is to see how confident we can be with some of these projections with some of these estimates.

910
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:12,000
There are many variables we've got to consider that I guess typically aren't in the counties y'all are in.

911
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:19,000
But if it could yield the savings that appear possible, that would be something to court.

912
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:25,000
I think we'd need to seriously consider.

913
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,000
So what steps do you want to take on this?

914
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:33,000
Talk to the judges, talk to others, and have it back on the agenda for further discussion.

915
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,000
If you want to go that route?

916
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,000
Yes, I have one other question.

917
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,000
I'll see you here on trial.

918
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,000
Okay.

919
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:46,000
Who regulates that trial and expenses on that trial?

920
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:56,000
Because I mean, you know, if it's trial somewhere else are here and so I just, how would that work?

921
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,000
Well, we have internal procedures.

922
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:07,000
And the first person that would be responsible for reviewing it would be the chief defender in office here in Victoria.

923
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:15,000
Would know who the cases are set in which counties responsible for the trial.

924
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:23,000
And would verify that it's a legitimate expense and it's reasonable and necessary.

925
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:34,000
Then it would go to our accounting office and would be reviewed there and usually by the director of administration and central office.

926
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:37,000
Because it depends on where the attorney came from.

927
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:43,000
Would we pay the travel for the attorney to come down to Victoria to hear a case of the attorney was a local?

928
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:44,000
No.

929
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:49,000
I think the most of the travel that would be, it's necessary to be incurred in this type of a program.

930
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:56,000
So there's a staff investigator in this, that's going to be going out and crying scenes and gathering evidence.

931
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,000
That person, not there's probably going to file some mileage for there.

932
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:03,000
Use the personal vehicle because here LA does not offer any speech at vehicles.

933
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:10,000
So it's more of the kind of local mileage expenses for things like an investigator following up on facts,

934
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,000
maybe going to get records or interviewing witness, things like that.

935
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:22,000
I know that also one of the things that here LA has been good about is providing training for their staff.

936
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,000
So I think that maybe part of that maybe has in the training budget.

937
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:30,000
Just kind of built into the general operation.

938
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,000
But there might be some travel.

939
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:38,000
But it's all going as opposed to the county getting a claim for travel.

940
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,000
Over time it provides for their administrative procedures under the contract.

941
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:48,000
But I think it's more local travel and mileage to be considered as opposed to bringing people in.

942
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:50,000
So the authority of the outside of Victoria.

943
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,000
I don't think that's what's going to happen.

944
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,000
You have to use the word subjective word.

945
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,000
I think it is.

946
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,000
Is it.

947
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,000
Is it.

948
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:01,000
That traveling.

949
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:05,000
If it's just traveling to Victoria and not bringing their attorney from the outside and drive in.

950
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,000
Because you know if they don't live locally.

951
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,000
Then they're driving and they're getting traveled on.

952
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
And it's going to be still paying for the travel time.

953
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:12,000
Right.

954
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,000
Right.

955
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:14,000
No.

956
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,000
The way it would work.

957
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:21,000
I mean what most of that travel involves is going for Victoria to add.

958
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,000
In fact, all the lawyers.

959
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:29,000
If we do a regional kind of configuration which would have been talking about doing with Jackson

960
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:33,000
Calhoun and the Witt County's plus refurio and golyad.

961
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:37,000
All the counties that are in the 24th judicial district.

962
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:39,000
Victoria would be the hub.

963
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,000
And all the lawyers would be here in Victoria.

964
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,000
And they would drive out to wherever Judge Marries.

965
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:47,000
Hold the court.

966
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:48,000
Okay.

967
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,000
That's what you referring.

968
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:50,000
Okay.

969
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,000
Okay.

970
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,000
So.

971
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:53,000
But ideally.

972
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,000
I mean hopefully we'll do the budget the way we would normally do.

973
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,000
We would have an investigator out and who lives in.

974
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:07,000
And she would be traveling locally within Jackson County.

975
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,000
Handling their cases locally.

976
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:14,000
Interviewing witnesses interviewing clients and that kind of thing.

977
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:18,000
And then periodically drive into Victoria for staff meetings and that sort of thing.

978
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,000
That kind of travel would be Jackson County's budget.

979
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,000
Not Victoria.

980
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,000
Okay.

981
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,000
Okay.

982
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,000
So.

983
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,000
One other question.

984
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:28,000
And is.

985
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,000
Let's say it all in the attorney.

986
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,000
In practice of the third years.

987
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:33,000
And I join you.

988
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,000
Then I can I get my own cases.

989
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:39,000
So there is a state law that says that if you work for a public defender.

990
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,000
You're not supposed to take criminal cases on the side.

991
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,000
But you can operate a civil practice as much as you'd like.

992
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:51,000
That's so that you don't have the conflict of.

993
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,000
You know, get.

994
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:59,000
That would set up some incentives where you're your private paying criminal clients are kind of competing with.

995
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,000
The public.

996
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,000
I think the policy.

997
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,000
Policy for.

998
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,000
Policy for.

999
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:08,000
TRLA is, you know, moonlight and you have full full time attorneys.

1000
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,000
That's generally.

1001
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,000
I mean we do have some part time.

1002
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,000
Well, yours.

1003
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,000
Or have a.

1004
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,000
A side practice.

1005
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:19,000
But that's.

1006
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,000
Quite the exception probably five percent of the lawyers.

1007
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,000
Okay.

1008
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:25,000
Thank.

1009
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,000
I'm not.

1010
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,000
Advocate is not saying to $250,000.

1011
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,000
But if we wait on this a year to see.

1012
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,000
Has any numbers come out.

1013
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,000
Is that any kind of black mark or.

1014
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,000
Put it to the bottom of the list.

1015
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:38,000
Whatever.

1016
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,000
I would say it's black mark.

1017
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,000
I mean, I guess my suggestion was to.

1018
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:46,000
You say down with your district attorney and another stakeholders.

1019
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,000
And just map out based on.

1020
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,000
I mean, I guess you got a few months in.

1021
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:53,000
Of the new.

1022
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,000
Administration.

1023
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,000
I mean, you can certainly do this.

1024
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:01,000
I mean, I don't want to leave the impression that the window will close forever or.

1025
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,000
That kind of what I was getting.

1026
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,000
I'm just, you know, what the word.

1027
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,000
Well, I guess.

1028
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:06,000
Let me ask this.

1029
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,000
If I know we can.

1030
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:13,000
In our contracts at the max threshold of cases.

1031
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:18,000
We could build into our assumption of whatever percent decline.

1032
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,000
And lower that maximum.

1033
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:24,000
And have that reflected in the contract amount.

1034
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,000
I presume is that.

1035
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:29,000
May it be doable.

1036
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,000
So I can tell you that.

1037
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,000
The counties that we've worked with in partnership with TRLA.

1038
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:37,000
The new public defenders had basically said.

1039
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,000
All non-conflict cases go with their program.

1040
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:41,000
Just for simplicity.

1041
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:42,000
They're conflict.

1042
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,000
Basis and.

1043
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,000
Family law cases.

1044
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,000
Outside of the program.

1045
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,000
Sometimes the taxes have public defenders.

1046
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:51,000
A fleet costment is one example of.

1047
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:52,000
And more taxes.

1048
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,000
Where.

1049
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,000
And that.

1050
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,000
But the county operates a public defender.

1051
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:59,000
The county staff attorneys and.

1052
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,000
And the best.

1053
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,000
Here's where they only take.

1054
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,000
I believe 50.

1055
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,000
Every other case.

1056
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,000
Or two thirds of the cases.

1057
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:08,000
So you can.

1058
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,000
You can choose to set the scope of the program.

1059
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,000
At any level that you decide.

1060
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,000
I think.

1061
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,000
From what we've heard from TRLA.

1062
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,000
The communist.

1063
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,000
Of course, the savings is going to be.

1064
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:21,000
To.

1065
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:24,000
The percentage of the cases they go in the program.

1066
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,000
But the scope of.

1067
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,000
Of a program like this is ultimately.

1068
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:29,000
What you decide.

1069
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,000
You want to do.

1070
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:32,000
I think that.

1071
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:33,000
The.

1072
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,000
The level of savings is going to be.

1073
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,000
In fact, by that.

1074
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,000
And I think that.

1075
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,000
You know, as I said, your.

1076
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:40,000
Your program.

1077
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,000
Typically.

1078
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,000
As.

1079
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,000
As operated on the assumption that they're.

1080
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,000
Covering the line share in the cases.

1081
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,000
Just.

1082
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,000
But.

1083
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:49,000
Cohesiveness.

1084
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:50,000
Simplicity.

1085
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,000
We're flexible.

1086
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:53,000
Okay.

1087
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:54,000
Very good.

1088
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:57,000
I saw Judge Gill and walk in.

1089
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,000
Any thoughts, Judge?

1090
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:00,000
I know we've.

1091
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,000
You've looked at the somewhat previously.

1092
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:04,000
Um.

1093
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:07,000
Well, and I don't know what all was said this morning.

1094
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:11,000
I guess the only comment that I was.

1095
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:14,000
But I was thinking about is that.

1096
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,000
I know we have a new administration.

1097
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,000
The A's office.

1098
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:20,000
And I didn't know on the economics of it.

1099
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:24,000
I shouldn't let that work out like another year or so.

1100
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,000
At least and see where we're at.

1101
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,000
Then because then.

1102
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,000
Because it's.

1103
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:30,000
It's.

1104
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:31,000
It's.

1105
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,000
It's.

1106
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,000
It's.

1107
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:34,000
It's.

1108
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:35,000
It's.

1109
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:36,000
It's.

1110
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:37,000
It's.

1111
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:38,000
It's.

1112
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:39,000
It's.

1113
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:40,000
It's.

1114
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,000
It's.

1115
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,000
It's.

1116
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,000
It's.

1117
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:44,000
It's.

1118
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,000
It's.

1119
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:46,000
It's.

1120
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,000
It's.

1121
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,000
It's.

1122
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,000
It's.

1123
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,000
It's.

1124
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,000
It's.

1125
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:58,000
It's.

1126
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:59,000
Of.

1127
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:04,000
That.

1128
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,000
It's.

1129
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,000
That.

1130
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:12,000
That.

1131
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,000
That.

1132
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:22,880
the grants that are part of that, understand that, and, but I don't know where that's headed

1133
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:28,680
that's gonna be there forever and off. I know there was a discing order on that.

1134
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,920
What is it? How much is it for first here? 80%.

1135
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:33,920
It was 40.

1136
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:34,920
No, 80.

1137
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:35,920
60.

1138
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:36,920
50?

1139
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:37,920
No.

1140
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:38,920
80 60.

1141
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:39,920
I mean assuming it.

1142
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:40,920
60.

1143
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:41,920
OK.

1144
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:42,920
So 80, 60.

1145
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:43,920
That was my only thoughts.

1146
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:44,920
Is it, you let it out?

1147
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:45,920
Let it, I mean, pan out.

1148
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:46,920
Why?

1149
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:47,920
At least it here.

1150
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:49,920
I mean, you've been here in a half, something like that.

1151
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,920
You see what will really happen.

1152
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,920
And then, you make the oil.

1153
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,920
They better decision that.

1154
01:29:56,920 --> 01:29:58,920
I think I'll put that to cover.

1155
01:29:58,920 --> 01:29:59,920
Number.

1156
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,000
Thank you, Judge. All right, any other comments?

1157
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:16,000
I have one more. One thing you might consider, if, you know, Judge, is Gilam is, I think,

1158
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:23,000
got a valid point. You might think about reviewing rather than an annually, reviewing these

1159
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:29,000
numbers quarterly. That's probably not too much of a administrative burden for everybody.

1160
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:40,000
But if there are some traumatic changes, rather than four go $7,800,000 of savings in the next fiscal year,

1161
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:46,000
go ahead and opt into the program, start those savings running.

1162
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:54,000
And then, if you don't like the numbers you're seeing, we might adjust much as we go, but do it on a quarterly basis.

1163
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,000
And see, what plays out?

1164
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:01,000
It is the, and I can remind you, y'all heard, y'all are presently in about 10 pounds.

1165
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:07,000
That's correct. The phone I have is, let's assume that they continue to cover more and more counties,

1166
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:10,000
which I think is a free-actual.

1167
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:15,000
And then, you know, I think we're going to get one for the covering, maybe 30 counties, 40 counties,

1168
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:19,000
60 have to stay.

1169
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:23,000
My question would be, and I doubt that the answer to it.

1170
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:34,000
You know, will the state set be quite so willing to pay a 50% grant to have the counties in the state of Texas?

1171
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:39,000
At a certain point, that number is going to get too large.

1172
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,000
Somebody in Austin can't do it at home.

1173
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:47,000
It almost seems as the organization moves that becomes more successful.

1174
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:55,000
Ultimately, that number, that grant percentage, almost, asking them that number.

1175
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,000
All right.

1176
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,000
Thank you, sir. Are there thoughts?

1177
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,000
Oh, there's that.

1178
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:09,000
So, TADC does not have a very long list of counties that are interested in stepping up to do this kind of a program.

1179
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,000
So, Senator Colkors is introduced to build.

1180
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,000
It's currently funding the legislature.

1181
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:17,000
In fact, I think that hearing is coming up, maybe this week, sometimes.

1182
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:24,000
That is really, as a way for the state to provide assistance more targeted to work smaller counties,

1183
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,000
for rural counties, or under $100,000.

1184
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:35,000
As directed as to build, when directed as to a private work side of these kinds of programs in our funding.

1185
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:39,000
I think that when our commission reviews grants request,

1186
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,000
in counties that are interested in this kind of program,

1187
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:44,000
there are key in the aware of the available resources,

1188
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:48,000
and have never over-extended itself, so let's be a thing on that.

1189
01:32:48,000 --> 01:33:00,000
So, I don't think that there's any substantial risk of the commission being overwhelmed by requests for counties to implement programs.

1190
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:08,000
In terms of the likelihood of the 50% sustainability fund being there for the county down the road,

1191
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,000
legislature adopts a budget every two years.

1192
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,000
They owned out the budget 10 years out.

1193
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:19,000
But our budget at TADC, for next year, for the next biennium,

1194
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:26,000
is they're adding $18 million in the baseline budget for our program,

1195
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:31,000
which the commission is prioritizing for these types of programs.

1196
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:36,000
So, I think that the third say a reasonable expectation of the sustainability fund,

1197
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:41,000
which has been in place for five years now, has, you know,

1198
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:42,000
will continue.

1199
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:44,000
So, that's right.

1200
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:48,000
I can't make any promises on behalf of the executive legislator,

1201
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,000
but I can say that our budget is stable or grown,

1202
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,000
and that we've not been able to go on board.

1203
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:54,000
Gotcha.

1204
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,000
Okay.

1205
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:56,000
Thank you. All right.

1206
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,000
Any other comments before we move on?

1207
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,000
Anybody in the audience that would like to?

1208
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:05,000
I know you all have been a ton of work in time,

1209
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:09,000
and we're apologize, but we have to be perceived as caution,

1210
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:14,000
because it's a lot better to, instead of just jump and end this up then,

1211
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,000
and then say, and oh hell, we've got to back out.

1212
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,000
That would leave a bad taste.

1213
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:23,000
I would thank in the dollars mine for future funding.

1214
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:27,000
But from our perspective, we want to work with the county firms,

1215
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,000
so they make the right kind of decisions.

1216
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:33,000
I don't get any commission on, on, they have a health insurance concern.

1217
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:35,000
They've just been a good partner that the commission has,

1218
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:37,000
that's usually good results with.

1219
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,000
So, that's why we partner with online programs.

1220
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:46,000
If the commission, if the commission's court is still looking at data,

1221
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,000
we want to be a resource for you all.

1222
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,000
We want to ensure that all we want to,

1223
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,000
because they need to work with the numbers,

1224
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:56,000
you know, for get it as accurate a projection as possible,

1225
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:00,000
but whatever you need, we want to be available pretty well

1226
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:04,000
as you look at your options, and let us know

1227
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,000
how we can handle it.

1228
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,000
Wonderful. Well, we will, and certainly appreciate

1229
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:12,000
you all's time this morning driving in, and we would like to see

1230
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,000
if we can hire a 53-year-old lawyer.

1231
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:18,000
All right, very good.

1232
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,000
Well, thank you all once again.

1233
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,000
Appreciate you being here.

1234
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,000
Thank you.

1235
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,000
Ron, thanks for stopping, stopping by, also.

1236
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:28,000
I won't give a time mark.

1237
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,000
Oh, yeah.

1238
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
The floor is still on your mark.

1239
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,000
Oh, all right.

1240
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,000
Your contact information?

1241
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,000
Okay.

1242
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,000
Thank you.

1243
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,000
Thank you.

1244
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,000
Appreciate it.

1245
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:48,000
Thanks a lot, Constance.

1246
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,000
Mr. White, thank you, sir, for your comments.

1247
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:54,000
Judge, thanks.

1248
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,000
All right.

1249
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:00,000
Well, that on our agenda was simply to hear presentation

1250
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:04,000
and discuss, which we've done, and we'll continue to do.

1251
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,000
We don't need to take any action on that.

1252
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,000
We will move on to item number 10.

1253
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:13,000
We see fully executed notice of Grant Award from Rebuild Texas

1254
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:17,000
for the purpose of purchasing and renovating property at 311 East Constitution

1255
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:21,000
Street Victoria, Texas, and authorized county judge to sign

1256
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:25,000
necessary documents and take appropriate action.

1257
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:33,000
Robin, we finally got, well, I guess, is this a final step in the process?

1258
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,000
Yes.

1259
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:36,000
Okay.

1260
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:46,000
Okay.

1261
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,000
Excellent.

1262
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,000
So we're simply receiving this.

1263
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,000
Is there a motion to do some?

1264
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:52,000
So move.

1265
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,000
All those in favor?

1266
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:54,000
All right.

1267
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:55,000
Any opposed?

1268
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,000
Second.

1269
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:57,000
Second.

1270
01:36:57,000 --> 01:36:58,000
Second.

1271
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,000
Second.

1272
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,000
Second.

1273
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:01,000
Second.

1274
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:02,000
All right.

1275
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,000
All right.

1276
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,000
All right.

1277
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,000
Motion approved.

1278
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,000
Excellent.

1279
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,000
Thank you, Robin.

1280
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,000
Let's see.

1281
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,000
Item number 11.

1282
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:18,000
Receive notice of law enforcement, officer reimbursement program,

1283
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:23,000
transportation security administration, award modification number

1284
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:32,000
P-0-0-0-0-6, agreement number H-S-T-S-0-0-1-6-H-S-L-R-930

1285
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,000
and take appropriate action.

1286
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,000
Second.

1287
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,000
Second.

1288
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:40,000
All those in favor?

1289
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,000
All right.

1290
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,000
Any opposed?

1291
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,000
Motion approved.

1292
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,000
41,000.

1293
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:46,000
Robin, what else?

1294
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,000
Oh, no.

1295
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,000
I was just going to, uh,

1296
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,000
Lini had to leave.

1297
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,000
He did make a call.

1298
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,000
This is a larger allocation on this grant.

1299
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,000
We got logic here.

1300
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:55,000
For that time, Jerry.

1301
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,000
So we made a call, uh,

1302
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,000
T-T-S-A, and indicated that our flight schedule had increased.

1303
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,000
And so, at least, we did, um,

1304
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,000
apparently see, uh, increased after the end.

1305
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,000
I have discussed about, um,

1306
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:08,000
made some things for it.

1307
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,000
So hopefully we'll get a little,

1308
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:14,000
a little bit more on that in the future as well.

1309
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,000
Very good.

1310
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:17,000
Thank you.

1311
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:18,000
Item number 12.

1312
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:24,000
Radify rule, volunteer, fire department, assistant, program grant,

1313
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,000
assistance, award case number 21-04.

1314
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:29,000
Take appropriate action.

1315
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:35,000
And Richard, what if we got here?

1316
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:39,000
That was on the award for the, uh,

1317
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:40,000
uh, for the four sons.

1318
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,000
Okay.

1319
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:46,000
26 of the one for the, uh, fire.

1320
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,000
Thank you.

1321
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:49,000
Thank you.

1322
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:50,000
Thank you.

1323
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,000
Thank you.

1324
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:53,000
Thank you.

1325
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:55,000
Thank you.

1326
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:56,000
Very good.

1327
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,000
Thank you, Richard.

1328
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:58,000
All those.

1329
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:13,000
All those in favor?

1330
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,000
All right.

1331
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:15,000
Any opposed?

1332
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:16,000
Motion approved.

1333
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,000
Item 13.

1334
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,000
Receive annual fire safety inspection report for the Victoria region.

1335
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:25,000
I'll juvenile justice center and take appropriate action.

1336
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:32,500
Let's see, a copy of that report from Richard, in your packet, anything on that Richard?

1337
01:39:32,500 --> 01:39:35,500
Now, sir, everything you said to me, yes.

1338
01:39:35,500 --> 01:39:37,500
In fact, it's still in the bottom line.

1339
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:38,500
It's still in the bottom line.

1340
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:39,500
It's still in the bottom line.

1341
01:39:39,500 --> 01:39:40,500
It did bark her along there.

1342
01:39:40,500 --> 01:39:42,500
They were really wild.

1343
01:39:42,500 --> 01:39:45,500
They were at the end of the 26th.

1344
01:39:45,500 --> 01:39:47,500
They'll do that.

1345
01:39:47,500 --> 01:39:48,500
Thank you.

1346
01:39:48,500 --> 01:39:49,500
Need or see?

1347
01:39:49,500 --> 01:39:50,500
Second.

1348
01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:51,500
All those in favor?

1349
01:39:51,500 --> 01:39:52,500
All right.

1350
01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:53,500
Any opposed?

1351
01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:54,500
Motion approved item-14.

1352
01:39:54,500 --> 01:39:58,500
Consider approval of a contract between Thompson,

1353
01:39:58,500 --> 01:40:01,500
Reuters, West Law, and Victoria County Criminal District,

1354
01:40:01,500 --> 01:40:05,500
to Attorney's Office, and take appropriate action.

1355
01:40:05,500 --> 01:40:06,500
Move for approval.

1356
01:40:06,500 --> 01:40:09,500
Second.

1357
01:40:09,500 --> 01:40:10,500
All those in favor?

1358
01:40:10,500 --> 01:40:11,500
All right.

1359
01:40:11,500 --> 01:40:13,500
Any opposed?

1360
01:40:13,500 --> 01:40:15,500
Motion approved.

1361
01:40:15,500 --> 01:40:19,500
Item number 15, consider approval of letter of request

1362
01:40:19,500 --> 01:40:26,500
from INAs volunteer fire department and take appropriate action.

1363
01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:28,500
Let's see.

1364
01:40:28,500 --> 01:40:35,500
Okay, so this is a request for $5,000.

1365
01:40:35,500 --> 01:40:41,500
It's going to be a request for $5,000 for their barn and new brush truck.

1366
01:40:41,500 --> 01:40:44,500
Their cost is $94,000.

1367
01:40:44,500 --> 01:40:47,500
This was one of those that we discussed when you came to our meeting.

1368
01:40:47,500 --> 01:40:51,500
The one prying in and break in.

1369
01:40:51,500 --> 01:40:55,500
So this is one of their requesting some assistance.

1370
01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:56,500
Okay.

1371
01:40:56,500 --> 01:40:59,500
Does come out of the assistant fund or not?

1372
01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:00,500
Yes, sir.

1373
01:41:00,500 --> 01:41:01,500
It comes out.

1374
01:41:01,500 --> 01:41:03,500
We have right now on the assistant fund at this time.

1375
01:41:03,500 --> 01:41:05,500
We have 41,439.

1376
01:41:05,500 --> 01:41:06,500
We'll have 36.

1377
01:41:06,500 --> 01:41:07,500
Okay.

1378
01:41:07,500 --> 01:41:11,500
So we simply draw that pre that already budgeted amount down.

1379
01:41:11,500 --> 01:41:12,500
Yes.

1380
01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:13,500
No.

1381
01:41:13,500 --> 01:41:14,500
Wonderful.

1382
01:41:14,500 --> 01:41:15,500
Move for approval.

1383
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:16,500
Thank you.

1384
01:41:16,500 --> 01:41:17,500
All those in favor?

1385
01:41:17,500 --> 01:41:18,500
All right.

1386
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:19,500
Any opposed?

1387
01:41:19,500 --> 01:41:20,500
Motion approved.

1388
01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:21,500
Thank you, Richard.

1389
01:41:21,500 --> 01:41:22,500
Again.

1390
01:41:22,500 --> 01:41:25,500
Item 16, consider approval of copyright

1391
01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:30,500
Your maintenance agreement between office systems and Victoria County Sheriff's Office

1392
01:41:30,500 --> 01:41:37,500
and take appropriate action.

1393
01:41:37,500 --> 01:41:40,500
Brandy is this a reading?

1394
01:41:40,500 --> 01:41:45,500
Who did put this on here?

1395
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:50,500
This one was for Gina put it on there.

1396
01:41:50,500 --> 01:42:00,500
And if you approval for this one was, they said you have agreed to the copier class.

1397
01:42:00,500 --> 01:42:01,500
Okay.

1398
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:02,500
So this is a new.

1399
01:42:02,500 --> 01:42:03,500
It's just our end only.

1400
01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:04,500
Amazing.

1401
01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:06,500
So we've already got this budgeted.

1402
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:09,500
This is just the new agreement.

1403
01:42:09,500 --> 01:42:10,500
Okay.

1404
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:11,500
Second.

1405
01:42:11,500 --> 01:42:12,500
All those in favor?

1406
01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:14,500
Any opposed?

1407
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:15,500
Motion approved.

1408
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:16,500
Item 17.

1409
01:42:16,500 --> 01:42:25,500
Received letter of permission to enter and work on private property and precinct one for the purpose

1410
01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:27,500
of drainage improvement.

1411
01:42:27,500 --> 01:42:30,500
Uncounty maintained roads and take appropriate action.

1412
01:42:30,500 --> 01:42:32,500
Let's talk to Commissioner Garcia this morning.

1413
01:42:32,500 --> 01:42:39,500
As I speak to this, it's just a standard letter permission of Mr. Rodriguez to enter his property

1414
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:42,500
to alleviate drainage off of a county road.

1415
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:43,500
Move for approval.

1416
01:42:43,500 --> 01:42:44,500
Second.

1417
01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:46,500
All those in favor?

1418
01:42:46,500 --> 01:42:47,500
Any opposed?

1419
01:42:47,500 --> 01:42:48,500
Motion approved.

1420
01:42:48,500 --> 01:42:49,500
Item 18.

1421
01:42:49,500 --> 01:42:50,500
Motion approved.

1422
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:51,500
Item 18.

1423
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:52,500
Item 18.

1424
01:42:52,500 --> 01:42:53,500
Item 18.

1425
01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:54,500
Item 18.

1426
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:55,500
Item 18.

1427
01:42:55,500 --> 01:42:56,500
Item 18.

1428
01:42:56,500 --> 01:42:59,500
Mr. Mr. Mr. Mr.

1429
01:42:59,500 --> 01:43:03,500
Consider approval of payment to staff, concrete, construction and

1430
01:43:03,500 --> 01:43:08,500
connection to rabroad project precinct two and take appropriate action.

1431
01:43:08,500 --> 01:43:11,500
It's just for for a history.

1432
01:43:11,500 --> 01:43:13,500
Received approval.

1433
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:14,500
Second.

1434
01:43:14,500 --> 01:43:15,500
All those in favor?

1435
01:43:15,500 --> 01:43:16,500
Any opposed?

1436
01:43:16,500 --> 01:43:18,500
Motion approved.

1437
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:22,500
That staff that was for two was for embankments.

1438
01:43:22,500 --> 01:43:25,500
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1439
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:28,500
How long is the project?

1440
01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:30,500
How many feet?

1441
01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:31,500
Oh.

1442
01:43:32,500 --> 01:43:33,500
You're out.

1443
01:43:33,500 --> 01:43:34,500
The thing for 250.

1444
01:43:34,500 --> 01:43:35,500
It was.

1445
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:36,500
It was.

1446
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:38,500
60 feet.

1447
01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:39,500
Total.

1448
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:40,500
60 feet.

1449
01:43:40,500 --> 01:43:41,500
60.

1450
01:43:41,500 --> 01:43:43,500
I'm just looking at.

1451
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:44,500
Fifteen.

1452
01:43:44,500 --> 01:43:46,500
Fifteen on each one.

1453
01:43:46,500 --> 01:43:47,500
Yeah.

1454
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:49,500
And seven inches wide.

1455
01:43:49,500 --> 01:43:50,500
The tops.

1456
01:43:50,500 --> 01:43:51,500
With the footer.

1457
01:43:51,500 --> 01:43:53,500
I've got something coming up.

1458
01:43:53,500 --> 01:43:54,500
Yeah.

1459
01:43:54,500 --> 01:43:55,500
He's very easy.

1460
01:43:55,500 --> 01:43:56,500
Very reasonable.

1461
01:43:56,500 --> 01:43:57,500
Mr. Stavis.

1462
01:43:57,500 --> 01:43:59,500
Item number 19.

1463
01:43:59,500 --> 01:44:02,500
Any in consider approval of proposal from brand and haven.

1464
01:44:02,500 --> 01:44:06,500
In connection to spring, rich and grass land subdivision precinct to.

1465
01:44:06,500 --> 01:44:08,500
And take appropriate action.

1466
01:44:08,500 --> 01:44:09,500
All right.

1467
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:10,500
Great.

1468
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:11,500
Structed post seal.

1469
01:44:11,500 --> 01:44:13,500
Grass land is spring, rich.

1470
01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:14,500
I'm going to approve.

1471
01:44:14,500 --> 01:44:15,500
Second.

1472
01:44:15,500 --> 01:44:16,500
All those in favor?

1473
01:44:16,500 --> 01:44:17,500
Aye.

1474
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:18,500
Any opposed?

1475
01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:19,500
Motion approved.

1476
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:20,500
Item 20.

1477
01:44:20,500 --> 01:44:21,500
Consider approval of the following.

1478
01:44:21,500 --> 01:44:23,500
2019 budget amendments.

1479
01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:25,500
Take appropriate action.

1480
01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:26,500
All those in favor?

1481
01:44:26,500 --> 01:44:27,500
Aye.

1482
01:44:27,500 --> 01:44:29,500
Any opposed?

1483
01:44:29,500 --> 01:44:31,500
Motion approved.

1484
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:32,500
Item 21.

1485
01:44:32,500 --> 01:44:34,500
Consider approval of personnel changes.

1486
01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:35,500
Take appropriate action.

1487
01:44:35,500 --> 01:44:37,500
My goal is you've got the summary.

1488
01:44:37,500 --> 01:44:40,500
And then detail on subsequent pages.

1489
01:44:40,500 --> 01:44:42,500
Move approval.

1490
01:44:42,500 --> 01:44:44,500
All those in favor?

1491
01:44:44,500 --> 01:44:45,500
Aye.

1492
01:44:45,500 --> 01:44:46,500
Any opposed?

1493
01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:47,500
Aye.

1494
01:44:47,500 --> 01:44:50,500
Any opposed?

1495
01:44:50,500 --> 01:44:51,500
Aye.

1496
01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:52,500
Any opposed?

1497
01:44:52,500 --> 01:44:53,500
Aye.

1498
01:44:53,500 --> 01:44:54,500
Any opposed?

1499
01:44:55,500 --> 01:44:57,500
Motion approved.

1500
01:44:57,500 --> 01:45:00,500
And item number 22.

1501
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,000
Two is closed meeting pursuant to VTC Government Code 551.074 to discuss personnel various departments.

1502
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:14,000
And VTC actually know that economic development will push that to next week.

1503
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:23,000
So this is VTC 851074. For personnel and various departments, we will now go into closed session for that purpose.

1504
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:28,000
The time is 1147 AM.

1505
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:55,000
We are coming out of closed session at 113 PM for agenda item number 23, which is pursuant to VTC Government Code 551.102.

1506
01:45:55,000 --> 01:46:01,000
We turn to open meeting and take any action deemed necessary based upon discussion and closed meeting.

1507
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:05,000
There is no decisions made in the closed meeting.

1508
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:11,000
No action taken and no action that needs to be taken now. So we will adjourn at 113 PM.