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This file is a little bit large, so I'm hoping it's going to cooperate with us today.

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But so first we'll talk about the horizontal curves.

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So the first curve that was noted that does not meet 30 or a 35 mile an hour, design is just up here at the end. So this little curve here, you're coming into a stop condition. So that's generally not a significant, you know, if you, if the sightlines are clear and you're coming around a horizontal curve and you know there's a stop sign there, that's not of significant concern.

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Then the other area horizontally and everybody is quite familiar with this area is the curves

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in the area of the six-mile creek crossing. So those would mean a 40-mile-an-hour design,

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let's see if it loads. It meets 35 but not 40. And that's currently posted as a 35-mile-an-hour

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area through that section. So but it does meet 35 to

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not 40. Whole road is 35 isn't it? Currently the

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posted speed limit. So the city determined a rural

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residential district through the central portion of the

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roadway. So where there's homes, where there's driveways

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accessing. So that was in accordance with state statute at the

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time. And now we can change that. So under the new law, the city

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It has more control over setting the speed limit.

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It's a little unclear yet how one does that, because the language says we still have to have

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an engineering study and all sorts of reasons for why we need to do it.

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So cities are currently trying to figure out what the legislature meant by what they're

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looking for for a study.

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I thought they didn't have to, as long as it was a residential.

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Correct, but this wouldn't meet the definition of a residential street along its whole corridor.

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So within a neighborhood where you have house after house after house after house,

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that would meet the definition of a residential roadway.

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Where land use on either side of it is single family or multifamily homes.

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So go back to my question.

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Isn't the road in fact 35 from end to end or were you saying it changes?

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It's unposted on either end.

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There's a posted speed limit in the middle.

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Okay, got it.

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And that was in accordance with state statute at the time.

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The Council passed your resolution to designate

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that a rural residential district that allowed you to post it at 35.

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All right, and that's the only posting on the road.

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It's what a mile and a half.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Okay, so that otherwise horizontally, the roads fairly straight.

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If there weren't any other horizontal curves worth noting when we did our review.

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Now vertically, so the bottom half here is showing the road profile.

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So if you drive down the center of the road, each curve has information associated with it

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and there's design standards for what how steep those curves should be, what the length

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of the curve should be, and it takes into account things like stopping sight distance.

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So if you're, let's say you're, you know, coming up a hill and you're going, let's take

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ourselves somewhere other than here, you're going 65 miles an hour.

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You need to be able to see over that hill so that you don't suddenly, somebody stopped

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on the other side of the hill and you smash into them because there's a driveway that

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are turning into, you can't see them, you're speeding up over the hill.

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So, you know, design speed is intended to design a road that's safe so that you aren't

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seeing accidents and things of that nature.

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So working our way from one end of the road to the other, beginning by kind of road 43,

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this first little uphill climb does not meet 35 mile an hour design speed, but it does

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30 and again you're coming into a stopped condition. So it's pretty close to a 35 and we

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really in this graphics scanned for 35 mile an hour. So if I don't stop on it it means it's

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35 mile or better. So here is the big hill by Schmeeg's house and that one does not need a 35 mile

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design speed but it meets a 30.

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And then we have one more little guy at the end that does not

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meet 30 but it's a stop condition. You're coming up to the intersection of 11 so it's not from

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technical perspective, it's not...

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As great of a concern. The rest of the curves vary from 40 miles an hour to 60 to 35, 35, 35, 55, 65, 60, 40, 35. So, lots of 35s along the corridor.

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If you were to say that you wanted the design speed to be 40, then there would be more curves that would need to be vertically adjusted in order to meet that design speed.

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So to talk through what that means a little bit, so the length of this curve is

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250, I can't read this as well.

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But the curve as it exists today is 250 in order to be 35 miles an hour, it would need to be 275.

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So what that means is we would need to drop the road down a little bit and lengthen the curve.

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So you'd be lowering the center of the road in order to achieve that 35 mile an hour curve.

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So as it stands the way preliminary design was authorized, we were directed to match the existing conditions.

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If the council wanted us to start taking a look at shifts in alignment horizontally or vertically from a design speed perspective,

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that would be something you would want to do as we move into final design. So you wouldn't

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want us to go through all of final design and do a bunch of engineering work and then when we

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present final plans say oh hey we need to make that curve a 35 mile an hour curve that now

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would be the appropriate time to make that transition in the in the project if that was something

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that the council was interested in doing and we can come back to that.

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Okay, so the next thing we're going to talk about is the trail.

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So the council authorizes us to look at adding a trail on the north side of the road.

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And as you recall, when we talked about it, there was a lot of questions.

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Well, what does it mean? What's it going to cost? Are we going to need a bridge?

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how are we going to fit this along certain parts of the road?

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We need a wall, three impacts, things of that nature.

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So, the first thing we did was work with the consultant

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to come up with a couple of different alternatives

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for how that trail could be added.

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Given what the recommendation was relative to the road itself.

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So, leaving the road and it's existing horizontal location

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and then adding a trail on the north side with a little bitty ditch in between was one of the alternatives they looked at.

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They also looked at, so this is creating some red flags in terms of how things were tied into the existing neighborhoods,

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neighbors to the north and landed to the north.

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So the consultant ran an option where you put some curving gutter in and then really dropped the trail down below the road.

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When you drive that corridor along the north side there's a lot of areas where the slope slopes away from the road so they were trying to kind of capture what was happening out there.

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Then they also looked at.

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Because then it was starting when you look at battle alternative it was starting to push the trail in certain areas outside of the roadway easement.

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So, the existing gravel road isn't necessarily centered exactly in the existing roadways meant you can picture how that would happen over time when you're dealing with a gravel road.

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It isn't fixed the same way a road with curbing gutter might be.

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So, under that alternative too, we were starting to see that the trail was really starting to skirt onto private property in a couple of sections.

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So, they ran an option where they moved the curb, moved the trail right up next to the curb.

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So, like we have on Smith Town Road, it's actually a sidewalk, but it's the same concept where you have curb,

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but the trail right next to the road.

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This option minimizes the impacts to the adjacent property owners, but it has the highest cost,

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because you're running curving gutter along the whole length of the project,

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and then you would also need to introduce stormwater treatment.

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So, one of the important factors for us to look at with the trail is what permit requirements

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would be triggered by constructing the trail and under water-said district rules if the trail

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drains to a green area that's half the width of the trail.

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The trail is exempt from needing treatment.

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So, if the...

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This trail half the width of it is draining into this green area. We wouldn't suddenly be obligated

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to construct stormwater ponds and storm sewer and whatnot to treat the impervious surface from

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the trail. In the case of this alternative, we would have had to. So I disliked that alternative

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pretty quickly from the cost implication associated with it. I spent considerable time with

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pages and pages of cross-sections of design detail, looking at those three options.

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The impacts to the property owners between the three didn't vary too wildly, but the cost

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of this one being higher caused us to rule that out.

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So, where we landed with what we wanted the consultant to finally drop and cost estimate off of was really similar to that first alternative, the only differences is we ended up shifting the road a little bit to the south so that the footprint was centered in the right away.

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So, there's parts of that road that are not quite centered in the roadway easement.

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We shifted the whole thing back to center, essentially so that we were splitting the impacts

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of the trail between the south side property owners and the north side property owners.

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Because it really was just starting to shove a little bit to far north and outside of the

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roadway easement.

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So, we would have had to acquire easements from the property owners in order to fit that

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trail.

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So you're going south all the way down the road?

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Just to smidge.

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So it's a time mode of couple feet.

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That it's just shipped.

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As you know, we have south.

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One of the residents would like you to go north.

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But we're still operating within the existing.

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This puts a footprint within the city's current authority

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to construct the improvements without acquiring easements

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from any of the landowners if you wanted to build a trail.

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If you built a road, you would normally go down the center of the surveyed right away.

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So when we build a brand new road, we locate it in the center.

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When I reconstruct a road, I typically recommend reconstructing it along the same centerline of the existing

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traveled way to minimize the impacts to adjacent property owners.

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So things like trees, hedges, fences, things like that.

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Just a new road or a reconstructed road?

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It's a reconstructed road.

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But if the intent is to not acquire easements,

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this is the way we would have to shift it

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to fit the trail without having to acquire easements from the adjacent landowners.

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And when we walk through the layout,

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I can show you some of those areas where it was a little bit tight.

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And then the other alternative of course was the no trail alternative.

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So we will walk through the detailed layouts a little bit so you can see the difference between those.

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But I am just going to touch on a couple of things before we go into that detail so you kind of have some background in your head before we get there.

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So, in terms of where we landed on costs, so total costs, including construction, contingency,

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engineering and administrative costs, the roadway only with no trail, as depicted here,

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is about 2.1 million. The roadway plus trail kicked us up to 3.5 million.

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And what you really is driving that, and you can see that on the detailed cost estimate that's in your packet.

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you of course have the expense of the trail base and the pavement. That's obvious. But in order

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to fit that trail in and match it in with existing conditions and not start impacting outside

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of the city's roadway easement, you have to look at constructing some retaining walls in

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some areas and there's just additional grading because you're working outside of just the

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existing roadway footprint.

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So I'll highlight that as we walk through the details

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of the two layouts, where they're different.

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I'll note that the 2020 CIP included 2.482 million

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for this project,

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so you can see here the difference.

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These are the two detailed cost estimates.

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And we've got ditch grading for 95,000

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that we wouldn't have to do in that alternative for where

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we're just matching the road that's there.

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And then we have potentially $460,000 worth of retaining walls.

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That number might be able to be reduced if the land.

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Notice adjacent to some of these areas would be willing to grant temporary gate grading easements and let us grade beyond the right away line.

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So in the farm land or into their front yard, depending on where we're talking about along the corridor, there might be an opportunity to reduce that.

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This is the cost of the trail and itself.

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And then this is additional grading that would need to happen in order to, you know, the trail has to

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It can't just be floating in the air, so you would need to do some grading associated with it.

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I do want to note as the question seemed to be raised today from one of the property owners or it might have been from the hunt club.

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Under the city's assessment policy trails such as a trail along marsh lake road is not assessed.

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So, those under the city's assessment policy, the trail is not assessed, that would need to be funded by the city through the general tax level.

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Under the city's adopted assessment policy, a portion of the street and storm sewer costs would be assessed under the city's adopted policy.

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If we move forward to final designer when we move forward to final design, so we actually know the scope of what we're building,

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we'll end up running the project through the city's policy, and then we'll be coming back to the council for direction on what to do relative to the city's assessment policy.

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So you're not making any decisions about that yet.

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we wouldn't be prepared to present you information.

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What I would like to know is that we've been reconstructing

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a rehabilitating streets since 2003 and every single project

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has included some number of assessment to the adjacent property owners.

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I can tell you that every single project the neighbors had a reason

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why they shouldn't be assessed and why their project was different.

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But I can say with pretty good consistency

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and the advice that we have always given the council along the way is our advice is to try to treat everybody fair and equitably.

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And so that'll be the lens through which you'll be asked to take a look at whatever assessment calculations we might come back with.

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This quarter is unique from the other ones because we have these large tracks of undeveloped land.

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I had mentioned at a previous meeting that I would anticipate we would be going through the special benefit analysis process.

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process, like we did for stagger lake land, to help sort out what the assessments amount

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amount should be relative to state statute pertaining to special assessments.

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So if we move ahead, we'll have a whole meeting just on assessments alone.

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We'll have a whole meeting with the neighbors on assessments alone.

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That'll be a whole piece to come, but the council certainly it's the council's decision

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on how you would address or implement your policy on that.

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So, I did want to just note that there briefly.

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Okay, so we're going to look at the layout review with no trail.

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We're going to look at the layout review with a trail.

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And I just wanted to highlight some things for council discussion

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that will come after we take a look at those two different layouts.

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The big question is trail or no trail.

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So, again, you don't want to change your mind on whether you're building a trail or not.

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once you're in final design. Once you start spending the expensive engineering dollars to produce

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detailed plans and specifications for bidding purposes, you really want to know what you're building,

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otherwise you're going to end up doing a lot of re-engineering, which we've already spent plenty

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of money on engineering on this project. I'd like to see us try to minimize what we spend there

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going forward. But the trailer, neuro-trail decision also sort of spills into some of these

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other things. So the council's gotten some feedback from property owners. So I just wanted

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to highlight some of the things that have been raised to the council as possible scope

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modifications. So vertical and horizontal alignment, we do have a property owner who's requested

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that the horizontal alignment be shifted, which will highlight when we walk through the layouts.

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There also was a little bit concern expressed or at least questions asked relative to those

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vertical curves. So should any of those vertical curves be modified from a 30 mile in our

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design speed to a 35 mile in our design speed? I don't think anybody in the residence realm

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advocating for a higher design speed than that. A question was raised about whether

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berms could be constructed along the road. Council would need to, if that's something

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that Council's interested in, I would need some direction about.

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Who are we screening? How big of a berms? What sort of criteria am I evaluating the berms on? With those take the place of the retaining walls or in addition to the retirement.

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You know, berms are tough because it really depends on the existing conditions adjacent to the property. So if you've got a roll that's going this way in a big giant retaining wall down to somebody's farmland.

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In order to build a berm, you'd have to go way up and then have an even bigger retaining wall on the back side of the berm.

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But in other areas where the road might be draining yards might be draining down to the road, then you could potentially fit a berm in there.

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But if that's, I wouldn't expect you to say tonight, yes, build berms.

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But if that's something you want me to investigate further, I would need that direction because that isn't currently in the scope.

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Why? What do we want berms for? I would imagine that, and the city, you know, certainly

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when development comes in, we'd be looking at Birmingham requirements for the development

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adjacent to a road such as this. It provides screening, essentially, from the roadway.

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Okay. So like the berms along Connie wrote 11, you know, those big, I know, yeah.

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Yeah, but that's for those, it's to hide the developments and protect the noise crack.

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That what it is for the noise.

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Yep, and visual separation between the two.

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And the developers pay for it.

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Correct.

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So is this just for the new development?

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It was a question raised in an email to the council, is whether firms were included in the

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project or not, and they aren't currently, but could be should the council want to explore

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that further.

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Okay.

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The next one was street lights, so this is a noteworthy topic, we've added trails in a couple

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of different locations. The most recent was a long 78th in Cochia. We did end up adding

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some street lights along that trail in order to light the trail. That was occurring in conjunction

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with the whispering hills development so there wasn't anybody living there yet so you know you're

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putting lights in so that when people move in they're used to the lights. Adding street lights

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after the fact can be challenging when you know you have existing homes in an area that are used to

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having it be dark and then you come in and start putting street lights. Street lights are not currently

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in the scope that is that is something that the city council could direct us to take a look at

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me the first question is trail or no trail. My kind of quick answer is that I've the only place

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and I need to talk with the park and director about it, but the place for street lights that

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comes to my mind would be at locations where future roads tie in. So if a new residential street

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connects, you know, typically you'll see a street light at an intersection. So when you're driving up

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you can, you know, find the intersection you're supposed to turn into. Okay. But those could be added.

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Correct. Afterwards. Those street lights could be added after the fact, because it's those are

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Minnesota Valley would be the provider there. It isn't like downtown here where we're paying for.

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And I mean, we'd have to pay for this street lights either way, but we run the electrical system for all of these lights.

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Overhead utility lines, there are some overhead lines along that road.

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In the option where we have no trail, we wouldn't need to relocate or bury those overhead

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power lines. The city certainly could choose to pursue that.

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The city would pay 100% of the cost associated with burying those lines.

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If we're putting the trail in and the utility lines are in the way of the trail, then under a right away ordinance we can require the utility company to relocate.

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And they likely would have to relocate to the non trail side of the road.

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Then we would only pay the incremental costs to bury the lines, the costs to relocate.

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They have to pay, so we would just be paying the incremental cost to bury.

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I think it would be important to understand trail or no trail before you really start looking at the overhead utility lines.

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Typically that's an in-final design, we'll be looking at any impacts to gas lines, power lines, any existing cable lines that might be an area.

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That would be part of the final design scope, so that's one that you could still.

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Do we have room in the existing right away to bury those or would we have to acquire right away to do so?

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We could put them under the trail if we wanted.

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Since it's our right away, we have some flexibility over what our comfort level would be and I think we'd pursue keeping it within the existing roadways, meant versus purchasing additional right away.

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Our goal tends to be first looking at it from the perspective of what's the lowest cost and the least amount of impact is typically how we'll first approach a project on a city project.

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The other question we were asked was whether the project included extension of sanitary sewer

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and water to the residential homes in the area.

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The project does not currently include that.

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Under the city's assessment policies, 35% of the people who would be in the area for connection

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to sewer and water would need to petition the city to have a study extending sewer and water

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to them.

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under the assessment policy, the property owner pays a 100% of the cost of that extension.

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So, you know, this isn't a trunk line extension, this would just be a lateral water line extension to the homes.

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I think realistically, just given what I know about how far away sewer and water is currently from the existing homes,

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it's probably premature to pursue that.

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If I'm them, I would want to maybe look at it once the pipes are a little closer.

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But that's if that's something that the property owners are interested in, that's certainly

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something we can talk through with them.

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And they have the right to petition at any time, the form is on the city's website that can

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happen.

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We were also asked about high speed internet and I would just note that the city does not provide

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internet services so that's all privately operated and extended so the

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property owners would want to reach out to the internet providers and I did

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share information with the residents that asked me about it about who those

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providers are. So those are the things to kind of have in your background as we

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walk through the different layouts, and I will start with the trail layout first, I think.

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So, a giant file that hopefully will load. So, first of all, just to orient yourself what you're

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seeing, this yellow is the road with the shoulder on either side of the road. The pink is the trail and

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These dashed blue lines are what I would refer to as preliminary grading limit lines.

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Now this is just generated off of a standard typical section and match point thrown into

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a software program.

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When we get into final design, we'll start tweaking what those match points are to minimize

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the impact on adjacent property owners.

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So you shouldn't perceive that as being for sure how far we're going to have to grade

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outside of the roadway easement in order to do the work.

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These little yellow lines are the 66 foot wide roadways easement.

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Is that creating with the trail or without the trail?

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So this option you're looking at right now is with the trail.

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So this is not going to come as any surprise to anyone,

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but here's the pool.

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The trail does not fit adjacent to the pool.

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So we'll come back to this area once we jump over to the other line.

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But if we're going to look at putting a trail, pass the lakeside drive entrance all the way up to 43, we for sure can't fit it.

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We would have to move the road over in order to fit the trail.

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Oh, far.

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We'd have to decide how far we'd want to be.

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I mean, that's a design decision. So we'd take a look at what the design speed is coming around the corner.

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And then what we think is an appropriate setback from the pool.

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So that we'd be working with the planning department

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to see what they might recommend

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for how we should shift that over.

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So then we get into this section.

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So this is the Lakeside Estates neighborhood.

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There's two cul-de-sax that don't come through.

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There's landscaping already planted

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along the road right away and a wetland down here.

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We, if we're putting in a trail in,

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we're for sure gonna need to construct a retaining wall

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through this section because we don't want to rip out trees that were just planted and we don't

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want to impact a wetland in order to fit a trail in. So this this wall is included in the

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cost calculation and is something that that I would see not needing not being able to be eliminated.

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And then again we're just still following the existing footprint. So just to orient everybody.

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This is the lightener property and this is Jeremy Rock's house.

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This is Jeremy Rocks. On developed land, I guess I'm going to refer to it that he purchased, but they live in this house.

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And again, you're seeing some some gradient limits extending out here past some trees that are located within the roadway easement.

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And it's with this trail option.

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It looks to me based on my detailed review that we probably would be looking at potentially

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having to move some trees within the road right of way, the roadway easement in this area

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in order to protect those trees.

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But again, when we got into final design, there's different things we can take a look

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at to see if we can save them.

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first goal is always preservation of trees regardless of where they are. We try to look through

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that lens. Coming around this curve, so we are recommending that in any scenario we would have

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curb and gutter on both sides of the road through this section in order to minimize impacts.

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We have a wetland and a creek crossing and some pretty steep slopes off either side, but even with

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We potentially still need a retaining wall through this section.

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This area.

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The curb and gutters to avoid erosion problems.

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Correct. Yep.

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So what does water go?

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We would just then outlet at the end of the curb into the ditches.

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In this area, this is an example where the layout is showing pretty significant grading into this lot.

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But when I take a look at the grades in final design,

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we can pull that back. It isn't going to be that significant.

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A lot of those we can start to match in.

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So now here's an example where we would need a retaining wall.

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Here and all the way along the schmigs property.

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If we were trying to minimize the need for grading easements onto their property.

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Now because this is farmland, it's quite possible that the property owner would say

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sure we'll work with you and let you do some grading as long as, you know, you do it at a time

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that doesn't impact our farming operation. So, because I imagine they don't want to

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wall along their property either. So, you know, there might be some opportunities to minimize that

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sort of thing in working with the landowner. But the direction that, you know, we first gave the consultant

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was stay within our property. Let's not, let's try to avoid that and what does that look like.

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So aside from that, you do, you are going to just have some additional like kind of wider

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grading limits in order to make the slopes match in because we are adjusting the roads

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slightly.

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When I didn't move the center line, this trail was starting to kick out on to private property,

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which then we'd be into land acquisition and everything in order to fit the trail in.

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Not in this particular area. I'd have to go back and look at where it was in my notes here, but

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So alternatively if we take a look at the option

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Whoops, I have it open here with no trail

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So starting back over here on the

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West End

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one thing that the city council could consider doing I

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I don't know that I would invest in reconstructing this existing paved section.

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Let's say you aren't doing a trail.

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I wouldn't recommend that you invest reconstructing the part

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from Lakeside Drive back to County Road 43 in its current location

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because of its proximity to the pool even as it exists today.

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We do know that this property is for sale for development.

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So, you know, realistically, if a development comes forward and they do seem to be motivated

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sellers, we've had a number of different developers look at the property, part of what

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their questions were was what's happening with marsh lake road and as we're developing

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and increasing certainty from council direction to the state, it'll be easier for them to

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understand what that looks like, but we could at the time that this parcel develops then

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realistically shift this road over some amount of feet and work to purchase or acquire the

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property through the development process and then program the reconstruction of that section

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of road. This existing road is paved. It's in not great condition, so as part of a project,

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I would probably recommend we invest some maintenance to this road, so we do some additional patching.

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You know, we take a look at that a little bit more closely if that, if that was the direction

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the council was.

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But I, to me, you know, if this was never going to develop, then I think you maybe would want to look at it a little bit differently.

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But because it's for sale and people have come a calling about it, you maybe would want to limit the project's end point to be that time into that existing pavement, and then we figure out how to get it shifted over with or without a trail at some greater point in time.

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So, as you run along the rest of this corridor, and if you put them side by side or had the

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pleasure, so what I get to look at is cross sections every 50 and 100 feet of what those

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tie-in points look like, we can really match the existing slopes that are out there and pull

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these blue grading lines really up close to the road by just tying into the slopes that are there

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to really make sure that we aren't impacting any trees

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or impacting any private property improvements

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that might exist in that area.

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So even in this area where we had a pretty significant

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retaining wall, we can just tie into the slope that's there.

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So the slope that's there is steep today,

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it'll remain steep, but certainly we could minimize cost

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by doing that.

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As we get over by Jeremy's property again, this blue line starts to kick out past these trees,

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but when I looked at it in detail, it looks to me like we can pull the gradient and not impact

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any of those trees that are in the roadway easement. We won't know for certain until we get to

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detailed final design, but whether we have to extend the curve out a little bit further,

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would be something we could consider. So all of these really blue lines, like here, you're

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seen blue kick out of the roadway easement and I do think that we can match at the easement line

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and not impact what would be private landscaping and whatnot outside of the road edge. Driveways would

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end up tying in pretty consistently with how they are today. This driveway actually is a little

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of a challenge with the trail, I haven't quite figured out how we do that because you've

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got the trail there and their driveway is kind of coming uphill, but that would be a

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design detail that we'd work through. Same thing with this here, we would just, the slopes

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are steep off the sides of this road, so we'd be just looking to tie them in as close as possible

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to the existing edge. So then we're really, you know, minimizing the impacts along there. And

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And so when you do that, you end up reducing the cost.

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So if you go back to what the costs are between the options, that's why you're seeing

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such a significant difference in cost between the two because you're really just matching

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what's there.

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To be clear that 3.5 doesn't include acquisition of the right away, though, either doesn't

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attempt grading.

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Correct.

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So we can correct.

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So it doesn't deal with the West End realignment.

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Right. I mean, do you have a ballpark? Is it a half a million dollars for right away acquisition?

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I mean, it's 200,000.

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I mean, from the meat cutters property, that would be the only place we would need it.

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That's the only place we'd need it.

423
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If we, if the council authorized shifting the alignment, the rest we figured out we can fit within the current

424
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:37,720
Worldweight easement, we just would need to possibly pursue some temporary grading easements from property owners.

425
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:41,060
historically we haven't paid for temporary graining easements.

426
01:33:41,140 --> 01:33:43,400
Got it. So it's 3.5 million plus.

427
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:46,240
I am.

428
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:50,660
I was in for the re-cutters, the shifting road.

429
01:33:53,200 --> 01:34:01,640
We somehow tried to work that into, you know, passing it on to the property.

430
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:09,740
I mean, with the city of any recourse on recovering the cost of that shift.

431
01:34:13,420 --> 01:34:16,140
You're saying don't shift it until it develops, though.

432
01:34:16,220 --> 01:34:19,700
Yeah, but I think you'd have to fund the road improvement.

433
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:25,420
I think you'd have a pretty tough case to say that they have to not only accommodate your additional right away,

434
01:34:25,500 --> 01:34:30,500
but they also have to build the new road when they have a perfectly good road.

435
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:30,960
Yeah.

436
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,680
I want to be clear, I threw out 500,000.

437
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:37,920
I have no idea if that's anywhere near.

438
01:34:38,740 --> 01:34:48,200
So is the 2.1 reconstructing the road just to the existing surface?

439
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:54,420
No, we included since the council had authorized the entire corridor, the cost estimates

440
01:34:54,420 --> 01:35:00,000
assume so rebuilding the entire road cracked, but if we, I mean, you know, you'd...

441
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,000
I'll have the expense. It's just you'd defer the exilator to some later point in time. Okay. And then did we?

442
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:12,260
Okay. Let me. Okay. Were you done?

443
01:35:12,700 --> 01:35:28,680
I think the only other thing that I wanted to say was that really what we're asking for tonight, if the council is ready, would be to move for final design for marsh lake road with or without a trail and maybe provide some direction if you want.

444
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:34,460
us to look at vertical and horizontal alignment revisions or any of these other elements.

445
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:40,100
If you're not comfortable making a decision tonight, we certainly could revisit this.

446
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:42,980
My recommendation would be at the first meeting in January.

447
01:35:43,980 --> 01:35:47,040
So we don't impact the project schedule.

448
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:53,420
If there's additional things you'd like me to look at between now and then, it would be helpful

449
01:35:53,420 --> 01:35:55,020
for you to provide that direction.

450
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:56,800
But with that, then I'm finished.

451
01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:03,480
Okay. Thank you, Judy. Go ahead. Well, I just wanted to check with you because of the

452
01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:09,220
rack residents wanting to move the road north.

453
01:36:11,650 --> 01:36:13,450
Would this increase the cost?

454
01:36:14,890 --> 01:36:22,870
Yeah, going back to my, how much it would, so Mr. Rock is requesting that the road be shifted to

455
01:36:22,870 --> 01:36:29,650
north adjacent to the house that he owns here and the land he owns here. What he's

456
01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:33,590
indicated is that we wouldn't have to purchase the right away in order to accommodate

457
01:36:33,590 --> 01:36:39,690
that shift. I would anticipate he would provide the right away in exchange for vacating

458
01:36:39,690 --> 01:36:45,810
the existing roadway easement adjacent to his house. You know the front set back from his

459
01:36:45,810 --> 01:36:50,750
house and Vicki's house is pretty close to the existing road. So I think his intent is

460
01:36:50,750 --> 01:36:59,450
move the traffic a little further away from is property. As a rule of thumb, as I indicated earlier,

461
01:36:59,710 --> 01:37:04,950
the second news shift the road off the existing alignment by some number of feet, 10, 20,

462
01:37:04,950 --> 01:37:10,570
30, 40 feet, whatever the number is, you are going to add cost. Are those cost significant to

463
01:37:10,570 --> 01:37:19,030
not as subjective? We would have to do a comparative analysis to see what sort of additional

464
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:23,250
grading we'd have to do, so that, you know, if that's something that council is interested in,

465
01:37:23,330 --> 01:37:28,530
that's direction you could give us to try to quantify how much are we shifting it and what

466
01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:35,880
would that cost be? You do need to remember in the context though of we're also tying into these

467
01:37:36,690 --> 01:37:42,570
curves on either end, so we still have to, you know, you got to tie the road together. You can't just

468
01:37:42,570 --> 01:37:47,730
pick up a section and move, so we'd have to do a little bit of design work to see where you'd

469
01:37:47,730 --> 01:37:49,790
that in.

470
01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:52,170
How many feet does he want to move the road?

471
01:37:54,030 --> 01:37:55,210
He's like 50.

472
01:37:55,730 --> 01:37:56,110
50.

473
01:37:58,870 --> 01:38:00,070
And move it north.

474
01:38:02,490 --> 01:38:03,850
And over here is city park.

475
01:38:04,030 --> 01:38:06,270
So we already have land available here.

476
01:38:07,570 --> 01:38:09,090
Two shift it.

477
01:38:10,290 --> 01:38:10,830
Thank you.

478
01:38:11,110 --> 01:38:12,650
If we needed to.

479
01:38:15,780 --> 01:38:22,840
He's asking, at the moment, how much we cost to check that out and come up with a dip?

480
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:27,220
My understanding, he's asking for the Council of the Authorized Shifting the Alignment,

481
01:38:31,410 --> 01:38:35,950
but there's, we would be doing it as a favor to him because he wants more space.

482
01:38:37,330 --> 01:38:39,350
And that's what he's asking.

483
01:38:40,990 --> 01:38:45,550
I didn't mention that to him and he seems to think that it's a safety issue as well.

484
01:38:45,550 --> 01:38:50,030
So I don't know, he, you know, he had Cubskout meeting tonight.

485
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:53,850
So he couldn't, couldn't be at two places at once.

486
01:38:55,330 --> 01:39:01,070
If, and I did, I did ask him, I said, if this, if you wanted to do this,

487
01:39:01,070 --> 01:39:04,930
and it did cost extra, would you be willing to cover that?

488
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:09,970
Because the residents on the rest of the road aren't going to want to pay for that.

489
01:39:10,610 --> 01:39:11,430
I don't think.

490
01:39:12,510 --> 01:39:13,930
They're all shaking their heads now.

491
01:39:15,170 --> 01:39:18,030
I asked him if,

492
01:39:22,020 --> 01:39:28,160
basically, I said that, from what I understood, there were additional

493
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:33,720
costs to gain geotechnical data, et cetera, besides just moving dirt.

494
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:40,060
Each city area has different soil conditions that would affect the outcome of the construction.

495
01:39:41,060 --> 01:39:42,520
So that's affecting the cost.

496
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:52,640
And I said, I will see if Carrick can give us a ball part number if there would be additional costs to move the road and how much she would anticipate them to be.

497
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:59,000
And then he had said he had talked to some road builders and I asked if he had numbers from the road builders.

498
01:39:59,720 --> 01:39:59,960
And

499
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,880
Are you willing to be assessed for the additional costs to move the road for you if there

500
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:11,180
are any. The road design and its current alignment is within the 30-get 35-mile design

501
01:40:11,180 --> 01:40:16,100
standards. So it looks like at this point moving the alignment would only be a benefit

502
01:40:16,100 --> 01:40:21,700
to you. And I said, that's a hard sell. The city and the other residents have marshley

503
01:40:21,700 --> 01:40:27,100
growth. So any additional info on your part would be helpful. And then he did write that

504
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:34,340
quickly that the geotechnical data, they took was already in this location.

505
01:40:35,300 --> 01:40:41,000
So I don't know if we have that or not.

506
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:49,420
And the roadway is 66 feet wide now, the area to the side by 50 feet is effectively

507
01:40:49,420 --> 01:40:52,740
in the same location as the current geotechnical data.

508
01:40:53,300 --> 01:40:54,620
They took, there's no difference.

509
01:40:54,620 --> 01:40:57,980
But the difference is you'd have to build a new road bed.

510
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:05,060
Now we would be rebuilding the road bed and it's current configuration, but it's really,

511
01:41:05,300 --> 01:41:09,280
you know, picture if you pick it up and you move it 50 feet. Well, you got a,

512
01:41:09,380 --> 01:41:15,820
the area that you've now vacated a road needs to be graded to tie into the new road.

513
01:41:15,980 --> 01:41:18,700
And it needs to be restored with some sort of surface.

514
01:41:19,260 --> 01:41:21,520
So do those costs end up being significant.

515
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:25,200
I wouldn't be comfortable throwing out a number without doing some estimate.

516
01:41:25,420 --> 01:41:28,560
The only thing I can tell you is that it would be at it.

517
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,640
How much of a question would it be?

518
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:33,100
Do you need a lot of time and effort to come up with that?

519
01:41:33,100 --> 01:41:33,960
I don't think so.

520
01:41:34,060 --> 01:41:36,940
I think our consultant would be able to look at that.

521
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,580
Because of the, they have the county alignment,

522
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:43,280
which is really the alignment that he was more interested in.

523
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:47,180
And so, I think they did that through that.

524
01:41:47,180 --> 01:41:51,480
question, is give them some idea of how expensive this is?

525
01:41:51,940 --> 01:41:59,400
If it's too expensive to do, then we didn't know to stay right in the current alignment

526
01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:00,680
and not move anything.

527
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:10,420
If it's not going to be that big of a deal to slide that road up right along through there,

528
01:42:12,460 --> 01:42:17,360
I don't think he's not going to, he's going to donate that property and then when he has

529
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:23,120
on the side. I guess the grading would be okay, but he would be his yard.

530
01:42:23,780 --> 01:42:29,180
Yeah, I don't think that doing that analysis. I think we could do that analysis by the 13th.

531
01:42:29,180 --> 01:42:31,400
I think that'd be a reasonable thing to do.

532
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:34,720
Without it being a big endeavor.

533
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:42,180
At least to give you some, I mean, if I knew, I want some sort of idea of what added cost means.

534
01:42:43,180 --> 01:42:50,080
It would be a favor of looking at doing the analysis also a little bit of consideration

535
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:58,100
if we were to start to shift it, we would soften that one curve, which is rated at a 35

536
01:42:58,100 --> 01:43:00,560
mile an hour curve, is that correct?

537
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:04,520
Yeah, we could soften that one a little bit, is that make sense?

538
01:43:04,980 --> 01:43:11,480
And when you're reconstructing these roads to a nine-ton road, weren't we bringing in two feet

539
01:43:13,420 --> 01:43:19,300
Because we're not putting new sewer and water lines down the entire length of the road, we think we could

540
01:43:19,300 --> 01:43:27,580
That one foot of sand would be sufficient in this area and still to meet the nine tons standard. We wouldn't necessarily need the second foot self

541
01:43:27,580 --> 01:43:31,260
Or we just adding a foot on top of it and raising the bed

542
01:43:31,260 --> 01:43:38,200
Now we'll be removing everything that's there bringing in a new new section and there are some areas that we

543
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:41,960
to state having to do some soil correction below that one foot section.

544
01:43:42,220 --> 01:43:46,520
Or absolutely sure if you only do one foot of sand that you're getting in a nine-ton

545
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:46,800
roll.

546
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:53,340
So, yeah, we'll have a design section, now certainly that could be modified in the field.

547
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:59,500
So, typically we'll build in some subgrade correction, we'll build in some contingency in

548
01:43:59,500 --> 01:44:07,300
the event that we have to do some additional correction, but yeah, again, I've been

549
01:44:07,300 --> 01:44:19,880
Working on these roads in this community for a very long time and the best remedy for our heavy clay soils in order to produce a road that's going to last is to have that sand section underneath there.

550
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:22,660
But we don't want to put any more than we need.

551
01:44:23,660 --> 01:44:33,320
So if we're doing that road construction with the extra sand, I could see there's an added cost, but I don't see it as being astronomical.

552
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:46,540
Yeah, it might be a reasonable added, particularly when you have a willing landowner, if you didn't have a, if you had to purchase the lander relocated, then you'd really be into some more significant dollars.

553
01:44:48,140 --> 01:44:56,300
But, you know, that, again, that certainly something we couldn't give you a ballpark on. I'm not going to design both, but at least give you a speaking of these shifts.

554
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:57,280
Frame of reference.

555
01:44:57,380 --> 01:44:59,960
Getting back to the shift by the.

556
01:45:00,590 --> 01:45:13,830
New the 43 intersection. I mean, it hasn't been established that that intersection is going to have to be rebuilt, because it will be problematic, with either wrong about or something.

557
01:45:14,950 --> 01:45:20,330
And therefore the intersection is going to be rebuilt, and so the road is going to end up being somewhat aligned no matter what.

558
01:45:20,970 --> 01:45:28,750
So, so what we'll take a look at, if, if, when we start looking at this section more closely with development, we have the county's alignment.

559
01:45:30,330 --> 01:45:43,190
Now, if this city were to say, yes long term, this is going to be a county road, then, then we're probably going to recommend that we try to acquire the right away for what the county's envisioned alignment was there.

560
01:45:43,190 --> 01:45:46,490
They were looking at a 55 mile in our design speed.

561
01:45:46,670 --> 01:45:50,650
We would like that likely kick that down from 55 as the city street.

562
01:45:51,630 --> 01:45:57,310
So these curves here, I don't have the county's design in front of me, but the curves

563
01:45:57,310 --> 01:46:04,050
in this location were getting lengthened horizontally because of that 55 mile in our design

564
01:46:04,050 --> 01:46:04,370
speed.

565
01:46:04,850 --> 01:46:09,730
So we take a look at the counties, we take a look at a lower design speed, take a look

566
01:46:09,730 --> 01:46:16,730
what we think the right way needs are for a city street and then fit that all in there and see

567
01:46:16,730 --> 01:46:22,770
see how it looks. So that's certainly something that if authorized we could also have SRF

568
01:46:22,770 --> 01:46:27,070
start looking at it a little bit more closely if you want to understand how that might shift.

569
01:46:27,370 --> 01:46:31,950
Alternatively we could wait till a developer comes forward and then do the work in conjunction

570
01:46:31,950 --> 01:46:39,430
with the developer. And I would like to I'd like that idea better once the developer comes

571
01:46:39,730 --> 01:46:48,190
We just, we just paved up to the development and then that road do the repairs that we need

572
01:46:48,190 --> 01:46:52,590
until such time as a developer comes in and then that can be finished off.

573
01:46:52,770 --> 01:46:58,210
But this is, this is, we've had buyers on this reoccurring over time.

574
01:46:59,450 --> 01:47:04,490
So what does necessarily fire in the future that there might be, you know, the development?

575
01:47:04,810 --> 01:47:07,950
It could be, it could be, you know, next week somebody calls me.

576
01:47:07,950 --> 01:47:12,610
The differences is, you know, we now have a better idea of what project the city's moving

577
01:47:12,610 --> 01:47:16,870
forward and we got some feedback on the future county road question.

578
01:47:17,450 --> 01:47:22,330
So I have more information today than I did three weeks ago if a developer were to call.

579
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:31,440
But yeah, realistically, I mean, again, starting a dial into that a little bit is not,

580
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:34,080
we're not talking about significant engineering dollars.

581
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:39,740
It's me getting some feedback from MasterF and providing some professional judgment.

582
01:47:40,660 --> 01:47:42,400
So I want to talk a little bit about the trail.

583
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:46,800
So there is not any trail currently along this corridor at all.

584
01:47:47,700 --> 01:47:50,040
So we would be constructing the first trail.

585
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:56,480
And it just connects at this point on either end of the of the corridor.

586
01:47:56,740 --> 01:48:01,300
And there's no trail connections that come in correct at this point.

587
01:48:01,300 --> 01:48:09,200
Now, this trail, I and would scold me if I didn't note that this trail is part of the county's regional trail system.

588
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:15,720
So, the county's plan calls for a 10-foot wide trail along Marshley Road.

589
01:48:16,180 --> 01:48:22,440
Now, that was developed in conjunction with the fact that this was also going to be a county road.

590
01:48:23,020 --> 01:48:27,580
So, you know, typically we put 10 foot wide trails.

591
01:48:27,580 --> 01:48:37,060
10-ton. 10-foot wide trails along county roads. Our city standard trail is 8 feet. But yeah,

592
01:48:37,420 --> 01:48:45,720
so it ultimately will connect into this trail system that comes up through here. We need some

593
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:53,720
boardwalk up through here and then ends not here, but it ties into the Chaska Trail down to

594
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:58,720
whatever is over here. I'm kind of useless once we hit the system going through

595
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:03,560
Glendars area, isn't it? Yeah, so the city has...

596
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:05,980
And Marshall Lake Road as soon as this is developed.

597
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:12,400
Now the city did require the construction of a local trail system through all of these neighborhoods,

598
01:49:12,700 --> 01:49:19,200
so there's an existing trail that comes through here that will tie into Wasserman Park.

599
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:26,280
We use this way back through and pops out somewhere and then it's on road and then it comes back

600
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,220
through here and

601
01:49:29,220 --> 01:49:31,980
then up along here and then

602
01:49:33,100 --> 01:49:39,680
ties in to like town tenth and then also back into the school system. So there is

603
01:49:40,500 --> 01:49:44,060
internal trail. I've developed it. They'll be a trail through there and

604
01:49:44,060 --> 01:49:49,660
Right now, there's a trail through a userman area of developments that will go up to

605
01:49:49,660 --> 01:49:50,700
Westman Park.

606
01:49:51,420 --> 01:49:54,400
So you'd be able to go from this trail up to Westman Park.

607
01:49:54,620 --> 01:49:54,880
Correct.

608
01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:57,500
This whole neighborhood, I'm doing.

609
01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:58,820
The whole neighborhood.

610
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:24,460
The public can't see where you're pointing. The whole neighborhood that Lenar's done has trails in it, so they can get 243 or a lot of their own neighborhood. They don't have to come down to marsh Lake road to do that. Personally, I think we need to wait on that trail because we have other trails that need to be taken care of. And we're not connecting to anything yet.

611
01:50:24,460 --> 01:50:32,980
Yeah, the other thing I didn't note with the know trail option is certainly in these areas where you have undeveloped land.

612
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:41,040
You could shift the responsibility of construction of the trail adjacent to the corridor onto the developer.

613
01:50:41,620 --> 01:50:52,020
Similar to what we do along Connie wrote 11 and other Connie corridors so we can create more trail gaps through development.

614
01:50:52,020 --> 01:50:56,860
but that, you know, that would be an alternative to start to build that trail and that work.

615
01:50:57,340 --> 01:51:05,380
I'm from the opposite side of the school of thought here. This trail, if it's not completed

616
01:51:05,380 --> 01:51:12,200
and it's done herky jerky, trail connections, the prices on a small trail connection started at

617
01:51:12,200 --> 01:51:19,080
a half million. And we've got a dozen of them, 12, 15 of them identified, each of them's

618
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:24,900
to be probably in that range. So we can only do in the next couple of years. We can do in the next

619
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:30,320
five years. We can do one or two trail connections. That's all we can afford. That's separate

620
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:35,600
funding. There's a separate funding for trail connections. There's basically very little

621
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:41,760
separate funding for trails per se. All of the major thoroughfares that this city has built

622
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:52,220
last 10 years, 15 years, 86th Street, 70th Street, Slash Cochia, Smith-Town Lane, and if

623
01:51:52,220 --> 01:52:00,520
you consider County Road 18 or Rolling Hills, we've put in, in most cases with the exception

624
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:08,760
of Rolling Hills as a small problem, we put in trails. So we've built them in every neighborhood

625
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:12,980
that has a straight thoroughfare that's about this long.

626
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:19,200
86th Street, 78th Street, Smithtown Lane, they're all about this long.

627
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:23,140
They all have trails that were put in when the street was done.

628
01:52:24,020 --> 01:52:25,460
So what it is, are precedent.

629
01:52:26,260 --> 01:52:30,920
And the idea of that you can just save this 1.5 billion

630
01:52:30,920 --> 01:52:34,140
by not doing the trail right now.

631
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:41,180
I would submit that the cost of doing this trail piecemeal is going to be a lot more than 1.5 million.

632
01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:51,180
I'm blessed it's going to come very erratically and very, it'll be almost useless until it's completely done.

633
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:54,200
So I'm not in favor of skipping the trail.

634
01:52:54,540 --> 01:53:01,320
I think it's an investment that we have to do, and we have a precedent for doing it.

635
01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:08,240
We, we'll drive down if you want. We'll drive down all the streets in this town that we've built with trails on them.

636
01:53:09,260 --> 01:53:19,560
I'm in favor of doing a trail as well. I think that we do, we don't want to exacerbate a problem that we already have in the city by not doing a trail.

637
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:23,600
And it will always be more expensive to come back and do it again.

638
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:25,280
I'd say it's twice as expensive.

639
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:30,880
And there's nothing more frustrating than not spending your text dollars wisely.

640
01:53:31,460 --> 01:53:36,700
Well, the trail, the trail connections that aren't getting done, those are kind of more and more all the time.

641
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,160
How do you justify that?

642
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:45,140
We've set up a county mechanism to save money for the trail connections.

643
01:53:45,620 --> 01:53:49,960
We'll take that, a million and a half and do three trail connections.

644
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:52,200
This is different.

645
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:52,900
This is different.

646
01:53:52,900 --> 01:53:53,080
You can.

647
01:53:53,480 --> 01:53:54,260
Trail connections.

648
01:53:54,700 --> 01:53:57,360
We just spend it in different places what Judy is suggesting.

649
01:53:58,060 --> 01:54:03,800
Yeah, I should note that the budget only includes 2.5 million, so you would need an additional

650
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:07,180
million from somewhere else in the budget.

651
01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:18,460
So that's a careful budget though, it's not, is there 2.5 million sitting in some accounts

652
01:54:18,460 --> 01:54:18,900
somewhere?

653
01:54:19,500 --> 01:54:19,720
No.

654
01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:21,700
So it's closing the line for the budget.

655
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:31,580
So I've been sitting here to listen to this discussion.

656
01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:38,900
I think we need to step back for a second and remember what the objective here was.

657
01:54:39,540 --> 01:54:43,380
When this council unanimously voted to keep it a city road,

658
01:54:44,460 --> 01:54:49,800
the discussions all at that time was I think there's two key points that I think is worth repeating now.

659
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:56,680
Number one is this is a temporary road in the sense that eventually it will become a economy road.

660
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,740
20, 30 years at some point in the future it will become a county road.

661
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:17,600
Therefore, if we start putting in, like, from, we did agree on a nine-ton road, but if we start putting in all of these additional things we put in the trail, that stuff is probably for the most part going to be ripped out in 20 years.

662
01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:26,780
The other thing too is we talked about, at least I talked about, where as development goes south out of Victoria,

663
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:43,980
and properties connect up to marsh lake road at that time, we can always direct staff to enter into negotiations with the villagers to acquire additional right away, to provide room for future road, because the road will have to be improved at some point.

664
01:55:43,980 --> 01:55:49,300
The same thing goes for the south side, where it's like town township, as the annexation occurs.

665
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:59,120
We can negotiate additional right away at that point where we were not trying to force the acquisition, but we can pick it up.

666
01:55:59,220 --> 01:56:04,600
And I cite as an example, just west of Jeremy Rock's property.

667
01:56:05,220 --> 01:56:09,780
We've already got a berm built, and there's been no formal road design.

668
01:56:09,780 --> 01:56:12,360
And don't we have a burn and a part of that?

669
01:56:12,420 --> 01:56:17,280
If you'd point that on in the map, so this has already been done without a road design.

670
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:23,460
And we last Monday, this council voted not to complete that road design.

671
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:28,140
So the point I'm getting to is, I don't think we should put the trail in.

672
01:56:28,220 --> 01:56:33,400
I don't think we should do the burn lights or anything else simply because of the cost

673
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:39,400
and this road was designed to get us to the point where 20 years from now we can either

674
01:56:40,340 --> 01:56:53,320
improve it because the growth will require it, that time it could be sanitary sewer could be the by that time we may also have a lot more of the land acquired and I want to minimize the cost here.

675
01:56:53,800 --> 01:56:59,340
I simply want to if if if I could convince this council to do it, I don't even want to do a nine-ton grow.

676
01:56:59,460 --> 01:57:04,620
This road has been driven on for 50 years. I just want to pay it where it exists right now.

677
01:57:04,620 --> 01:57:11,020
I'm also concerned that if we, if we act we yet act we ask and spend the taxpayer's money

678
01:57:11,020 --> 01:57:15,020
because one resident asked to have the road moved, what are we going to tell the residents

679
01:57:15,020 --> 01:57:20,680
on the West End when they come in and say, well, I want you to look at this too, that doesn't make

680
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:26,940
a lot of sense here. That road was there when they bought the house. I think what we ought to do

681
01:57:26,940 --> 01:57:33,860
is minimize the cost here wherever possible, paved the road and be done with it, knowing full

682
01:57:33,860 --> 01:57:36,980
Well, at 20 years, this is all going to be read down in 20, 25 years.

683
01:57:37,100 --> 01:57:44,800
At least at that point, I'll have a better sense for growth development and need because

684
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:49,120
there's still debate and argument as to whether or not the traffic flow is going to warrant

685
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:50,780
a county road at that time.

686
01:57:51,220 --> 01:57:59,340
As part of this process, I think last Monday, I think we actually ought to, if in fact, we

687
01:57:59,340 --> 01:58:03,640
keep it a city road and we've got the complaint that goes out 20 years and we're going

688
01:58:03,640 --> 01:58:08,520
build some sort of a road at least for 20 years, we should actually go back and revisit the fact

689
01:58:08,980 --> 01:58:14,720
that we voted not to change the complaint and I actually voted for that. And in a rest respect,

690
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:18,200
I think we need to change it. I think we need to tell the county that, no, we're going to keep

691
01:58:18,200 --> 01:58:24,160
this a city road. At least for the next in this complaint, which is 20 years, we're not going

692
01:58:24,160 --> 01:58:29,960
to change it. We've already decided that. So I disagree. I think we need to minimize the actual costs

693
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:37,320
here into Council Member Black's comments, the million and a half bucks give or take that would

694
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:42,800
be put into putting a trail on just this road based on the budget discussion earlier tonight

695
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:48,100
from Trish. I can't remember the figures exactly, but I think the first three priorities

696
01:58:48,100 --> 01:58:53,380
that came out of the Park and Rack, which admittedly this council hasn't decided on yet,

697
01:58:53,620 --> 01:58:57,480
but if you took, I think the total cost of all those is I did a quick addition to my head

698
01:58:57,480 --> 01:59:02,500
like a little over a million dollars. So we're talking about 1.5 million for a trail here that

699
01:59:02,500 --> 01:59:06,340
we're going to rip out in 20 years, or we can spend a little bit less money and actually make

700
01:59:06,340 --> 01:59:12,360
three trail connections where they need to be made already. So consult comments, Mr. Gregory.

701
01:59:13,560 --> 01:59:14,320
Thank you.

702
01:59:16,540 --> 01:59:22,580
I tend to agree with the council member vote. No one that building a trail now is

703
01:59:22,580 --> 01:59:31,080
cheaper than trying to piece mell it in later. However, last week I think the county made it pretty

704
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:38,060
clear. They still want to keep their foot in the door as keeping this in their comp 2040 plan

705
01:59:38,060 --> 01:59:45,280
as a county road. So they haven't given up on it and we did direct staff to talk to them. So we're kind

706
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:54,420
going on a little bit of a dual track mode here, and I would like to hear them out to see

707
01:59:54,420 --> 01:59:59,500
what their thoughts are as far as making this into a county road at some point.

708
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:01,100
The future.

709
02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:08,700
I did agree to a nine-time road because I think this road will be here for a significant

710
02:00:08,700 --> 02:00:19,000
amount of time. And the notion of, and I agree with the mayor, if we were to spend all this money

711
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:25,240
to put this trail in, build all of these retaining walls. There is a good chance that at some point

712
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:31,140
county would want to reconstruct this and build their their county road system at that point.

713
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:32,960
All of that would be ripped out.

714
02:00:36,220 --> 02:00:40,940
So I am a little bit torn, but I would like to hear the county

715
02:00:40,940 --> 02:00:47,400
out a little bit and see what they are proposing as far as keeping their foot in the door

716
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:53,550
is making this into a county road. But as of tonight, if we had to make a decision, I would go

717
02:00:53,550 --> 02:00:54,550
without a trail.

718
02:00:57,250 --> 02:00:59,430
All right, so who's going to pay the cost that we're

719
02:00:59,430 --> 02:01:03,950
going to spend because of a Jeremy Rocks request?

720
02:01:04,270 --> 02:01:07,450
Do you think the taxpayers, let's focus on that one issue right now?

721
02:01:07,690 --> 02:01:09,770
Should the taxpayers pay for that?

722
02:01:10,230 --> 02:01:12,450
And how it doesn't that say that dangerous precedent

723
02:01:12,450 --> 02:01:15,130
for other homeowners when they don't

724
02:01:15,130 --> 02:01:16,870
like the alignment of a road someplace?

725
02:01:18,030 --> 02:01:19,430
I think he's asking Mr. Reyer.

726
02:01:19,610 --> 02:01:22,930
He's asking us to, for all part, the cost that would be.

727
02:01:22,930 --> 02:01:26,210
And then pursue discussion after that.

728
02:01:26,650 --> 02:01:27,950
Right, that's what he's asking, but there's

729
02:01:27,950 --> 02:01:29,310
cost associated with that.

730
02:01:29,790 --> 02:01:33,670
So are we willing to bear that shift that cost to the taxpayer?

731
02:01:34,790 --> 02:01:37,110
And then we just defined the answer, is that correct?

732
02:01:37,710 --> 02:01:42,510
And then we don't, I mean, was it 50 grand, 100 grand, 2,000, 200,000?

733
02:01:42,570 --> 02:01:45,710
We don't know how much it would cost to move the road and actually put the road

734
02:01:45,710 --> 02:01:46,370
bit up there.

735
02:01:46,590 --> 02:01:51,150
My point is, do we actually do that for a single resident that

736
02:01:51,150 --> 02:01:57,710
have it moved, right? If the, what's to say the people in the West End aren't going to come back and say,

737
02:01:58,050 --> 02:02:04,950
well, I want you to move it here, what's it going to cost to move it here too, right? So I just think we open up a

738
02:02:04,950 --> 02:02:09,490
dangerous precedent that every time we get another request or we're going to go ahead and tell that

739
02:02:09,490 --> 02:02:14,110
resident then okay, we'll go spend money and look at that request too. At some point we have to make a decision here.

740
02:02:14,870 --> 02:02:23,050
I asked before the meeting tonight, we spent, we the city that is between SRF and Focus

741
02:02:23,050 --> 02:02:23,550
Engineering.

742
02:02:23,770 --> 02:02:25,730
This has been going on since 2016.

743
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:30,030
I know just after I was sworn in, I can't remember if it's January or February of

744
02:02:30,030 --> 02:02:30,470
17.

745
02:02:31,410 --> 02:02:36,890
I was presented with a plan for the West End, the meat cutters property that showed the

746
02:02:36,890 --> 02:02:42,950
road completely redone, which would have solved all the problems on the West End of the

747
02:02:42,950 --> 02:02:45,330
and this whole question about marsh lake road.

748
02:02:46,590 --> 02:02:48,690
Why that development was allowed to go in?

749
02:02:49,170 --> 02:02:53,690
As it was built, I can only think that this was everybody.

750
02:02:54,090 --> 02:02:58,210
It said, we're going to move this road, but that never occurred.

751
02:02:59,830 --> 02:03:04,810
It makes me wonder how I was able to, I was actually provided diagrams

752
02:03:04,810 --> 02:03:07,690
that showed the road move with a whole new development in there

753
02:03:07,690 --> 02:03:11,570
and that marsh lake road property almost if it was a done deal.

754
02:03:11,570 --> 02:03:13,590
Well, it wasn't a done deal.

755
02:03:14,350 --> 02:03:15,750
So, and that was three years ago.

756
02:03:15,850 --> 02:03:17,770
We've had all sorts of people look at the marsh lake property.

757
02:03:17,870 --> 02:03:19,210
We don't know what's going to happen down there.

758
02:03:19,830 --> 02:03:22,890
I'm just opposed to putting any more money into marsh lake road

759
02:03:22,890 --> 02:03:28,630
beyond what's required to pay it and get it so that we can use it in the public

760
02:03:28,630 --> 02:03:29,970
can use it for 20 years.

761
02:03:30,630 --> 02:03:33,290
If you want a nine-ton road and it's not going to cost that much.

762
02:03:33,430 --> 02:03:34,770
We've got the estimate fine.

763
02:03:35,370 --> 02:03:36,170
I can agree to that.

764
02:03:36,590 --> 02:03:41,250
But I think the trail and any other adjustments is just added cost that we throw away

765
02:03:41,250 --> 02:03:45,430
in 20 years, and to Council Member Black's point,

766
02:03:46,010 --> 02:03:47,750
I think we could spend, if we're gonna spend,

767
02:03:48,090 --> 02:03:50,270
and decide to do that, we don't have funds for any of this,

768
02:03:50,370 --> 02:03:54,170
but if we're gonna borrow money and go work on trails,

769
02:03:55,290 --> 02:03:57,330
to me, if we fix those,

770
02:03:59,230 --> 02:04:00,450
do we have a hard copy of packet,

771
02:04:00,830 --> 02:04:02,730
do we know how much of those three trails were

772
02:04:02,730 --> 02:04:05,310
that was in Trish's presentation earlier?

773
02:04:05,750 --> 02:04:07,170
The hard copy is over there.

774
02:04:07,170 --> 02:04:11,650
All right, for sake of argument, just say it was like two trails.

775
02:04:12,490 --> 02:04:15,030
There were three in the budget.

776
02:04:16,290 --> 02:04:18,510
For sake of argument, let's just say it was 1.2 million.

777
02:04:19,310 --> 02:04:22,850
So a little bit of less money for connecting three trails,

778
02:04:23,110 --> 02:04:26,850
versus building one trail that doesn't connect on either end

779
02:04:26,850 --> 02:04:30,170
in whom no long, how long it's going to take before it actually connects.

780
02:04:30,250 --> 02:04:32,670
I'd rather connect the three trails for less money

781
02:04:32,670 --> 02:04:35,250
and that benefits probably a lot more residents

782
02:04:35,250 --> 02:04:40,670
in sheer number of homes and neighborhoods, then this one trail where we have what maybe

783
02:04:40,670 --> 02:04:42,390
it doesn't homes along much like road.

784
02:04:43,810 --> 02:04:45,790
So I'm opposed to the trail.

785
02:04:45,850 --> 02:04:47,630
I want to keep the cost as low as possible.

786
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:54,400
What's the lifespan of the nine-ton road that we anticipate?

787
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:00,000
So typically...

788
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,560
People will talk about roads with a 20-year design life. So that would be typical. We are seeing roads that have our

789
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:14,880
sand section underneath it are performing longer. So the base itself, we hope to get 50 years out

790
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:21,000
of it for the roads that we've built new in the new neighborhoods. We're hoping to not have to revisit

791
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:26,420
that base for 50 years, but only have to revisit the gravel in the asphalt on the top. So it's effectively

792
02:05:26,420 --> 02:05:33,040
up to a 50 year life. I think all of the nine times. All of the discussion we heard at the

793
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:38,560
last meeting especially from the residents and having done their research is that the likelihood

794
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:47,560
of needing a county road is not 20 years off. It's 30 years, 40 or 50. So we should build something

795
02:05:47,560 --> 02:05:54,840
that's going to last, you know, and where we wait in 30, 40 years to get a trail,

796
02:05:56,880 --> 02:05:58,380
I go back

797
02:05:59,420 --> 02:06:05,100
to meeting this thing to death. Our precedent is that we put the trail in when we do a road.

798
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:10,420
Well, the other thing, too, it counts remember Black pointed out all of those neighborhoods in

799
02:06:10,420 --> 02:06:14,580
Victoria. They're all connected to the trail system through the neighborhoods. So it's not like they're

800
02:06:14,580 --> 02:06:18,320
connected already. The only difference is that we just want to have a trail along marsh Lake.

801
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:23,720
This one will be connected in two places, be connected through an hour and it's connected to

802
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:27,960
the wasumen neighborhood. Right? But if we don't build a trail they can still get to downtown

803
02:06:27,960 --> 02:06:32,320
and they're still connected to the trail system. You just don't have a trail along marsh Lake road.

804
02:06:32,500 --> 02:06:36,980
That'll put those bikes on people on the roads then and now it's the safety issues.

805
02:06:37,820 --> 02:06:43,620
The bikes of the marsh Lake road residents? No, anybody who wants to go on and get to the other trail

806
02:06:43,620 --> 02:06:50,810
system. No, they can go through the neighborhoods. They can't go through the neighborhoods and get to

807
02:06:51,340 --> 02:06:56,220
paint a trail to go into Alaska. These bikers go everywhere.

808
02:06:59,140 --> 02:07:03,860
Well, they do. I just don't think that the 1.5 million is worth it. If we're going to spend 1.5

809
02:07:03,860 --> 02:07:08,080
million on trails, I just think we can get more bang for the buck and other parts of the city.

810
02:07:08,080 --> 02:07:13,640
So, and I think we have to take a bird's eye view of this, right?

811
02:07:13,740 --> 02:07:15,120
I'd love to be able to build a trail.

812
02:07:15,300 --> 02:07:16,100
I supported it first.

813
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:19,340
I wanted to look at the cost too, but now that we have the cost, I just think it's

814
02:07:19,340 --> 02:07:20,100
cost-evitative.

815
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:26,540
So, we have to, we have to make some decisions here tonight, and we clearly have a split

816
02:07:26,540 --> 02:07:27,900
in the council, which is fine.

817
02:07:28,660 --> 02:07:30,440
Do we have resolutions with this, care?

818
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:31,340
No.

819
02:07:32,900 --> 02:07:37,920
All right, so, I don't want to cut off discussion if there's further

820
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:44,020
discussion, but if not, then we need to make some decisions in order to do so.

821
02:07:44,080 --> 02:07:48,620
I would ask that we have a motion on what councilmember wants to make a decision.

822
02:07:49,640 --> 02:07:55,020
So, I want to bring one thing up, and that is, I move that we actually do amend the

823
02:07:55,020 --> 02:08:04,240
comprehensive plan to nominate March Lake Road as a city road. Is there a second?

824
02:08:04,240 --> 02:08:13,900
Second, we have a valid second discussion on this. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. All opposed?

825
02:08:13,900 --> 02:08:19,260
All right, so that motion now carries three four two are yet.

826
02:08:19,620 --> 02:08:19,760
Three.

827
02:08:22,120 --> 02:08:24,220
Three four two against.

828
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:27,640
So.

829
02:08:29,080 --> 02:08:31,160
The motion does carry.

830
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:37,640
We are going to modify the comprehensive plan to annotate marsh lake road as a city road.

831
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:43,760
Would another council member like to make another motion related to this?

832
02:08:47,340 --> 02:08:48,440
Did you want to do that?

833
02:08:49,000 --> 02:08:52,340
Do you want a motion to authorize final design from marsh lake road?

834
02:08:52,760 --> 02:08:56,380
I make a motion to authorize final design from marsh lake road with a trail.

835
02:08:57,060 --> 02:08:58,060
Is there a second please?

836
02:08:58,240 --> 02:08:58,960
Second motion.

837
02:08:59,800 --> 02:09:00,320
Discussion.

838
02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:02,580
The council is any further discussion?

839
02:09:02,580 --> 02:09:09,580
Yeah, much like a question, Cara, we've got a half million dollars in retaining walls here.

840
02:09:10,780 --> 02:09:16,500
That's a big number and you mentioned that we may not need hardly any of those.

841
02:09:16,860 --> 02:09:19,540
Um, I, you know, I don't know, maybe half.

842
02:09:20,040 --> 02:09:20,440
Okay.

843
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:22,200
But it really depends on the landowners.

844
02:09:22,420 --> 02:09:28,100
So I don't want to presuppose the landowners are just seeing the alignment.

845
02:09:28,240 --> 02:09:28,660
Right.

846
02:09:28,660 --> 02:09:32,660
So first time, so we haven't had any conversation about that.

847
02:09:33,900 --> 02:09:34,700
I had a question.

848
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:35,160
Right.

849
02:09:35,980 --> 02:09:40,720
With those retaining walls, is that going to affect the farm equipment?

850
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:49,800
Yeah, certainly if we were moving forward with the trail, we'd want to spend some time with the landowners in all of those areas.

851
02:09:49,900 --> 02:09:52,900
And that would be typical as part of a final design process.

852
02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:58,320
We would meet with the adjacent landowners and take a look at if they're willing to let us grade.

853
02:09:58,320 --> 02:09:59,960
we'd have to show them how much we'd need it.

854
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:11,820
Great to avoid the walls. Our goal, of course, would be to minimize walls at all costs because they're expensive and somebody's going to maintain them. So, the first goal is to not have them, but sometimes they're unavoidable.

855
02:10:13,420 --> 02:10:14,080
Further discussion?

856
02:10:15,160 --> 02:10:21,240
Okay, so we have a valid motion for authorizing final design from our select road with a trail.

857
02:10:21,540 --> 02:10:22,220
Is that correct?

858
02:10:22,420 --> 02:10:23,020
Yes.

859
02:10:23,500 --> 02:10:25,240
All in favor, signify by saying aye.

860
02:10:26,300 --> 02:10:28,620
All opposed signify by saying nay.

861
02:10:29,220 --> 02:10:29,400
No.

862
02:10:30,300 --> 02:10:31,700
Motion does not carry.

863
02:10:32,020 --> 02:10:33,480
It fails three to two.

864
02:10:34,420 --> 02:10:40,380
I move that we've authorized final design from our select road is a nine-ton road without a trail.

865
02:10:40,980 --> 02:10:41,560
Is there a second?

866
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:42,180
Second.

867
02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:43,340
Discussion?

868
02:10:44,980 --> 02:10:51,340
hearing no further discussion. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed? No.

869
02:10:51,340 --> 02:10:57,080
The motion carries three to two. Send to you have that. Okay.

870
02:10:57,340 --> 02:11:03,040
Cara, is there other issues or related to marshlight road that we need to discuss?

871
02:11:03,980 --> 02:11:13,280
I based on the motion. So just so there's clarity on my mind. We would be proceeding with final design as it was presented here tonight.

872
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:19,820
If the council wishes to direct us to add any additional scope, from these items listed here,

873
02:11:20,900 --> 02:11:24,480
like alignment revisions, I'd be looking for specific direction for that.

874
02:11:24,620 --> 02:11:26,900
If there's something the council wants us to look at.

875
02:11:27,020 --> 02:11:32,720
So, council, is there anything that anybody wants to make a motion or add any additional guidance?

876
02:11:33,140 --> 02:11:33,280
Mr. Garer?

877
02:11:33,440 --> 02:11:34,060
Mr. Garer?

878
02:11:34,220 --> 02:11:38,400
How much would it cost to get an estimate to re-align the road?

879
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:46,570
Jeremy Rocks. I don't think a lot of money. I mean, I don't we're trying about a couple hours of

880
02:11:47,140 --> 02:11:54,220
handful of hours from SRF, a hour or two of my time to review that work. So let me get a, I want a point of clarity.

881
02:11:55,140 --> 02:12:01,490
Only a few hours to to be able to give the council an estimate of what would cost to act assuming they agreed to

882
02:12:01,490 --> 02:12:07,290
realign the road. Okay, so it's only a few hours then. No, yeah, and that's information I certainly

883
02:12:07,290 --> 02:12:12,470
would anticipate being able to bring back at the next council meeting that you then could

884
02:12:12,470 --> 02:12:17,970
provide direction on, whether it's early in the final design process, where it wouldn't, you know,

885
02:12:18,790 --> 02:12:24,330
consulting wasted. Based on previous discussion, my council jump in if I'm wrong,

886
02:12:24,590 --> 02:12:30,290
four of you supported. And if it's only a few hours, I'll support it too. And so without objection

887
02:12:30,290 --> 02:12:36,430
from the council, go ahead and get an estimate on the cost to move the road north as requested

888
02:12:36,430 --> 02:12:37,470
by Jeremy Rock.

889
02:12:37,950 --> 02:12:39,530
And you said that's only a few hours, right?

890
02:12:39,530 --> 02:12:39,930
Correct.

891
02:12:39,930 --> 02:12:40,310
The cost.

892
02:12:40,630 --> 02:12:41,090
All right, incident.

893
02:12:41,590 --> 02:12:45,890
One other thing just popped in my head that I think we have to do here in the council, we need

894
02:12:45,890 --> 02:12:46,990
a vote on it.

895
02:12:47,150 --> 02:12:54,010
And that is, because we changed tonight the comprehensive plan to a city road, believe we now

896
02:12:54,010 --> 02:13:00,290
need to direct staff that during the act was either during the annexation process or during

897
02:13:00,290 --> 02:13:08,030
the development process on the Victoria side that we actually direct city staff to work

898
02:13:08,030 --> 02:13:12,730
with county staff before the process because it was always a county road that was included

899
02:13:12,730 --> 02:13:20,010
now it's not since we have a disconnect so therefore I move that we direct city staff during the

900
02:13:20,010 --> 02:13:25,450
the development process and the Victoria side and the annexation process on the Lake Town

901
02:13:25,450 --> 02:13:31,910
Township side to work with County as part of that process for development of acquiring

902
02:13:31,910 --> 02:13:38,770
right away. Can I get a second to that motion please? Second. Discussion. The reason I made that

903
02:13:38,770 --> 02:13:49,550
motion is because before it was automatic, as long as the council kept the plan to say it was

904
02:13:49,550 --> 02:13:55,250
motion in order to direct staff to still continue to discussions with the county as we do the

905
02:13:55,250 --> 02:14:01,050
acquisition hence the motion. So that was why I made the motion council any further discussion

906
02:14:01,050 --> 02:14:08,590
on that motion. Hearing none, all in favor signify by saying aye, aye, all opposed. Okay, that motion

907
02:14:08,590 --> 02:14:09,630
carried unanimously.

908
02:14:11,650 --> 02:14:18,210
Cindy, did you get that? Is there any other guidance then? Anything else you

909
02:14:18,210 --> 02:14:22,570
from the council? Not unless the council wants to provide any other guidance on any of these

910
02:14:22,570 --> 02:14:27,550
issues. I have what I need, but if you, you know, want me to look at any of these other things,

911
02:14:27,550 --> 02:14:32,330
I would prefer to be directed to. Wait if this question is familiar, go ahead and we find out

912
02:14:32,330 --> 02:14:37,710
from some anyone how long changing the comprehensive plan takes. Yeah, absolutely.

913
02:14:39,770 --> 02:14:40,430
There's a

914
02:14:40,430 --> 02:14:44,690
process you will have to go to the best council and go under all of certain process.

915
02:14:45,370 --> 02:14:50,590
Council member vote, but Mayor members of the council, yes, they're certainly a process to go through.

916
02:14:51,690 --> 02:14:55,830
So I don't, it's very prescriptive and I don't have that information in front of me.

917
02:14:56,050 --> 02:14:59,970
But yeah, it will take some time and we've got, we've got, we've got...

918
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,780
The direction here, and we can begin that process.

919
02:15:03,660 --> 02:15:08,960
Would you be, when you get a chance, I know the holidays are coming up, would you get some more information

920
02:15:08,960 --> 02:15:14,080
to answer council members, votes, question, and just distributed to council members?

921
02:15:14,100 --> 02:15:15,200
Yes, happy to do that.

922
02:15:15,380 --> 02:15:15,640
Is that work?

923
02:15:16,760 --> 02:15:18,120
Council is anything further?

924
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:19,960
Okay.

925
02:15:20,540 --> 02:15:22,300
That wraps up 2.4.

926
02:15:23,420 --> 02:15:28,800
The next item, 2.5 authorized, change order number one for well-setting study, phase two,

927
02:15:32,460 --> 02:15:37,420
And apparently I've developed a cough again, which seems to happen when I have to talk a lot.

928
02:15:38,240 --> 02:15:41,200
Okay, so we are still in the same area of town.

929
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:44,820
We're talking about our well-sighted studies.

930
02:15:45,460 --> 02:15:48,260
So the Council had a detailed workshop on October 14,

931
02:15:49,100 --> 02:15:50,800
where consultant reviewed it.

932
02:15:50,800 --> 02:16:00,300
to really provide it a background refresher on the potential water supply within our south

933
02:16:00,300 --> 02:16:05,240
growth area, as well as our initial findings associated with the well-siting study.

934
02:16:06,100 --> 02:16:20,780
So just to recap, Trout has completed four well-borns to date at locations, I'll show you

935
02:16:20,780 --> 02:16:26,500
We would have the potential to supply 500 to 700 GPM of water from a screen well in the

936
02:16:26,500 --> 02:16:31,440
Jordan Aquifer in those areas, but really what we're after is 1200 GPM.

937
02:16:32,480 --> 02:16:38,540
So, our South Korea, we want to have 4 1200 GPM wells that serve our South Korea, there's

938
02:16:38,540 --> 02:16:40,740
an additional treatment plant in that area.

939
02:16:41,320 --> 02:16:46,860
For only getting 500 GPM out of a well, we're going to need twice as many wells.

940
02:16:46,860 --> 02:16:51,040
and there's costs associated with the construction of the wells, the maintenance of the wells,

941
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:56,500
and the connection of those water supplies. So that certainly isn't ideal.

942
02:16:59,220 --> 02:17:03,100
However, as was started to be indicated at that meeting,

943
02:17:03,580 --> 02:17:09,600
bar did take a look at the information that we have available in is recommending that we pursue

944
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:15,740
one additional boring in the location shown here is number six in this general location.

945
02:17:16,220 --> 02:17:21,140
The other boarings were completed. These blue dots on the gash stock and welter properties.

946
02:17:21,540 --> 02:17:26,620
So they're based on what they found there. They're requesting that we do one more boring.

947
02:17:27,140 --> 02:17:30,320
Real quick. I'm sorry. Number two was never grilled.

948
02:17:30,520 --> 02:17:37,080
Correct. Because the findings of three were unfavorable. They directed us to go north instead of south.

949
02:17:37,080 --> 02:17:40,440
So free was removed and five was added.

950
02:17:41,020 --> 02:17:44,580
So originally we were doing one, two, three, four.

951
02:17:44,780 --> 02:17:48,740
But after we did one and three, they said don't do two.

952
02:17:48,860 --> 02:17:51,200
We added five, so we just swapped two for five.

953
02:17:51,300 --> 02:17:53,580
But now they want us to add a fifth location,

954
02:17:53,900 --> 02:17:58,020
which is location number six, even though it's the fifth location.

955
02:17:58,720 --> 02:18:03,140
Let's just, I know I ended up, that's okay.

956
02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:10,340
up to you. Let's say number six finds enough flow. Then we'd have to pipe all of the water down

957
02:18:10,340 --> 02:18:17,700
throughout the southern part of the city. Yeah, so what we're hoping to find with location number six

958
02:18:17,700 --> 02:18:24,360
is something better than number five, so we could proceed with well number five to accommodate development.

959
02:18:25,040 --> 02:18:29,960
It still doesn't answer our question of how we really want to take a look at providing water

960
02:18:29,960 --> 02:18:31,720
for the entire self-growth area.

961
02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:34,500
So simultaneously to that work,

962
02:18:34,900 --> 02:18:38,400
we have initiated conversations with Chaska and Carver

963
02:18:38,400 --> 02:18:43,320
to gain information about what they're doing outside of our city

964
02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:47,500
limits to see, if they're not having supply issues,

965
02:18:47,900 --> 02:18:50,560
should we be pursuing purchasing water from them,

966
02:18:50,660 --> 02:18:52,300
doing some sort of joint project?

967
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:55,040
We're in the early stages of those discussions.

968
02:18:55,320 --> 02:18:58,580
They're providing me with their water supply plan information,

969
02:18:58,580 --> 02:19:02,480
so we can take a look at their system relative to our needs.

970
02:19:03,300 --> 02:19:06,700
The other thing that I just wanted to note to the church,

971
02:19:07,900 --> 02:19:11,880
the Westbrook community church is located at the intersection of 10 and 11,

972
02:19:12,740 --> 02:19:15,060
and that's going to be constructed at that intersection,

973
02:19:15,220 --> 02:19:18,240
and they need to provide sprinkler protection.

974
02:19:18,500 --> 02:19:20,960
So they need some pretty significant water supply.

975
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:25,380
So we also, I had a conversation with the pastor on Friday,

976
02:19:25,480 --> 02:19:28,140
and then we'll be circling back to bar to see if we want

977
02:19:29,460 --> 02:19:34,460
combined efforts in any sort of way. It might be as simple as we get an opportunity

978
02:19:34,460 --> 02:19:39,040
to observe their well when they do the boring to find out if there's additional

979
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:43,700
information there or you know bar may say yeah we should investigate that even

980
02:19:43,700 --> 02:19:48,760
further. But so on the big picture front we are going to continue to do work but

981
02:19:48,760 --> 02:19:52,840
meanwhile we do have development pressure in this area that we you know by the

982
02:19:52,840 --> 02:19:56,300
time we get a couple hundred homes online we are going to need additional water

983
02:19:56,300 --> 02:19:59,540
supply, so we do want to continue to move forward.

984
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:08,800
If six doesn't produce a better result than five, then I suspect we'll be looking at five for the location of well number five.

985
02:20:09,480 --> 02:20:18,720
And those wells take a little bit of time to construct and get online. So we do want to keep moving forward in order to be able to provide more answers to the developers.

986
02:20:19,380 --> 02:20:21,560
Right. So tonight you're asking us to approve six.

987
02:20:21,700 --> 02:20:29,520
Correct. So what that would be would be, and I actually need to go back to the packet because I didn't word it correctly in my slide.

988
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:32,600
but approving change order number one,

989
02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:36,960
thereby increasing the contract amount by 49,925

990
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:40,080
and extending the project completion date to May 16th.

991
02:20:41,760 --> 02:20:45,280
And the weld drill will get us on their schedule,

992
02:20:45,960 --> 02:20:47,860
but we wanted to make sure we had enough time

993
02:20:47,860 --> 02:20:50,260
in the change order to, so we're completed.

994
02:20:50,340 --> 02:20:53,260
So that 49,000, almost 50,000 dollars this

995
02:20:53,260 --> 02:20:54,560
for one more boring, correct?

996
02:20:55,720 --> 02:20:55,840
Yes.

997
02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:58,400
How much water did you say number five could produce?

998
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:03,120
I believe that was in that five to seven hundred range.

999
02:21:03,740 --> 02:21:08,120
So we're going to need another well quicker than we would have had we found.

1000
02:21:09,660 --> 02:21:10,440
The higher volume.

1001
02:21:11,640 --> 02:21:17,500
We'll pretty quickly need to be continuing to look at our comprehensive water plan and what those triggers are.

1002
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:25,800
And we've been operating under an assumption of 4, 1200 GPM wells spaced out over a number of years.

1003
02:21:25,800 --> 02:21:30,060
You know, this information is going to cause us to need to re-look at.

1004
02:21:30,060 --> 02:21:33,500
Oh, 2.5, we had the money to be in cash.

1005
02:21:34,660 --> 02:21:36,300
Well, number 5, we're going to have to borrow.

1006
02:21:39,050 --> 02:21:43,010
It was a combination for the $4 million dollar ad.

1007
02:21:43,030 --> 02:21:44,670
We're going to have to borrow for sure.

1008
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:50,410
Yeah, I mean, we'll want to, so as part of the rate study, that sign going, we'll take a look at,

1009
02:21:50,410 --> 02:21:52,430
we'll have, you know, updated information.

1010
02:21:52,770 --> 02:21:57,510
We'll take a look at the projection of timing of wells in the future water treatment plant.

1011
02:21:57,510 --> 02:22:00,050
And that analysis will roll into the right study

1012
02:22:00,050 --> 02:22:02,770
to determine what corfies,

1013
02:22:04,930 --> 02:22:06,090
water availability charges

1014
02:22:06,090 --> 02:22:09,190
and rates should be to accommodate that future demand.

1015
02:22:11,610 --> 02:22:14,350
So the timing, it's good that we're

1016
02:22:14,350 --> 02:22:16,770
learning this information in conjunction with doing

1017
02:22:16,770 --> 02:22:17,590
the right study.

1018
02:22:20,130 --> 02:22:22,450
All right, council, was that it here?

1019
02:22:22,530 --> 02:22:22,790
Yes.

1020
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:23,830
Council questions?

1021
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:25,350
Discussion?

1022
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:31,030
Are they going to look at the church property?

1023
02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:40,210
Yes, so separately from this change order authorization without for well-journaly we'll continue to work with bar on these other questions and I will be sending them

1024
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:47,430
A graphic showing where that property is and bringing them up to speed on what opportunity might be there.

1025
02:22:47,450 --> 02:22:52,190
So I spoke with the church on Friday and need to relay that information to bar yet.

1026
02:22:52,230 --> 02:22:53,210
Was he open to that?

1027
02:22:53,410 --> 02:22:55,990
Yes, he called me after being at the south

1028
02:22:55,990 --> 02:23:03,710
the Victoria Works Open House. He chatted with some sub set of you and called me.

1029
02:23:03,970 --> 02:23:05,770
Okay great. Yeah. It was helpful.

1030
02:23:05,770 --> 02:23:07,390
It was close to water over there.

1031
02:23:08,470 --> 02:23:11,150
All right. I will make a motion to approve change order number one.

1032
02:23:11,310 --> 02:23:15,050
Thereby increasing the contract amount to 49,925 bucks.

1033
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:19,550
And extending the project completion date to May 16, 2020.

1034
02:23:20,190 --> 02:23:21,250
Thank you, second please.

1035
02:23:22,230 --> 02:23:23,210
Any further discussion?

1036
02:23:23,210 --> 02:23:28,610
Hearing none, all in favor, signify by saying aye, aye, all opposed? Motion carries unanimously.

1037
02:23:29,950 --> 02:23:30,590
Okay, that wraps.

1038
02:23:32,010 --> 02:23:32,230
Hmm?

1039
02:23:32,230 --> 02:23:34,070
I think you got a line, but you locked out.

1040
02:23:34,590 --> 02:23:36,070
Or you're still lying the door low.

1041
02:23:37,650 --> 02:23:38,450
Must have self locked.

1042
02:23:43,320 --> 02:23:46,960
Okay, that completes the special media agenda.

1043
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:48,880
There's one last two last items.

1044
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:50,560
Roundtable real quick.

1045
02:23:51,420 --> 02:23:55,560
I want to find out if the council has any objections to adding to our

1046
02:23:56,480 --> 02:24:11,560
Legislative agenda letter to legislators on changing the open meeting law based on what our city has experienced before and the Supreme Court case I think there's changes to be made to that.

1047
02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:16,940
And without objection from the council I'd like to draft up some of those suggested changes.

1048
02:24:16,940 --> 02:24:22,460
to get them drafted in a letter by Dana, and then allow each of you to see those changes.

1049
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:27,320
And then we can bring this back at another time to talk about it, but I'd like to get

1050
02:24:27,320 --> 02:24:34,440
a draft letter, at least a letter drafted rather, for the council to consider as far as

1051
02:24:34,440 --> 02:24:35,240
potential changes.

1052
02:24:36,480 --> 02:24:42,060
Question, do we have others who are joining in with us on this legislation?

1053
02:24:42,060 --> 02:24:48,380
is this going to be part of our legislative agenda from the League of Ministers' cities?

1054
02:24:49,380 --> 02:24:56,160
We had three items, correct, Dana, that the council approved in the last meeting,

1055
02:24:56,440 --> 02:24:57,660
as far as legislative priorities.

1056
02:24:58,760 --> 02:24:59,960
Right, this would be a fourth one.

1057
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:06,940
For our city. So there's not other cities that I'm asking us to join with on asking this city to add that item to our list.

1058
02:25:07,780 --> 02:25:17,020
But I don't want you to add it blindly. I want to have Dana draft a letter that each of you can look at and then we can bring it up for discussion at a later time.

1059
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:26,520
I like to see what would be on the letter because I know one of that is Mr. Mayor that you were discussing with the lead is something I disagree with.

1060
02:25:26,520 --> 02:25:27,500
So that's fine.

1061
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:31,440
That's why I want to, so you have something that you can look at, instead of just arbitrarily

1062
02:25:31,440 --> 02:25:33,900
you're going to need something without, right, right?

1063
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:35,240
So without objection?

1064
02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:36,260
No objection.

1065
02:25:37,140 --> 02:25:37,200
No objection.

1066
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:41,940
All right, Dana, I'll work with you and draft something that we can then bring back to

1067
02:25:41,940 --> 02:25:44,040
the council for them to take a look at.

1068
02:25:44,260 --> 02:25:46,240
All right, there's nothing else.

1069
02:25:46,520 --> 02:25:48,820
So there's no reports on a special meeting like this.

1070
02:25:49,100 --> 02:25:52,180
So at this point, I ask for a motion for adjournment, please.

1071
02:25:53,060 --> 02:25:53,940
Motion to adjourn.

1072
02:25:54,440 --> 02:25:55,000
Second, please.

1073
02:25:55,460 --> 02:25:55,720
Okay.

1074
02:25:55,720 --> 02:25:59,780
Any discussion here in none on favor signify by say night.

1075
02:26:00,020 --> 02:26:00,160
Hi.

1076
02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:01,800
We are adjourned. Thank you.

1077
02:26:02,420 --> 02:26:02,940
Merry Christmas.

1078
02:26:03,540 --> 02:26:03,820
Wow.