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Okay, good evening, everyone. Sorry, that was a loud. Good evening, everyone. Tonight we are having a work session, September 15th, 2025. We have three things on the agenda tonight. The first is we're going to go over the legislative agenda, 2026. The second is we are going to talk about the capital improvement plan for 2026 through 2042. And then we are going to review supplemental appropriations for fiscal year 2024.

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We're 25 and then if there's anything else anyone wants to talk about, we'll have an opportunity

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to do that.

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Town Manager.

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Yes, Madam Mayor, members of the Town Council.

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And that open discussion on one thing that we talked about last week was the comprehensive

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plan scheduling.

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Oh, sorry.

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Yes, one thing we mentioned last week was the comprehensive plan scheduling.

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So that could be that part of that open discussion if you wanted to do that.

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Okay, perfect.

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All right.

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All right, let's get to the legislative agenda and we'll go to our town attorney, Steve.

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Good

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evening, everybody.

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The first item on your work session is the proposed draft 2026 legislative agenda.

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So what I do and have done in the past and what I did here is on the draft agenda I include everything,

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included in the order that Council presented it and voted on for priorities last year.

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If there's something highlighted or marked or commented on, those are things, you know,

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that I would bring to your attention.

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And then at the end, there's a couple of proposed new items, a couple from Councilmember

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Anderson and one from Councilmember Remekis that we will get to.

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So, you know, some of these things, as you know, take a while and the way the General Assembly works is you get consensus, you get other jurisdictions to help you out.

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So just because a bill gets introduced, thousands of bills get introduced and not that many pass.

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Some get sent for study commissions. Some have to be studied because they have a fiscal impact.

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And the General Assembly is not going to pass them unless that's been reviewed and they figure out where the money comes from.

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And then summer, what I would call just housekeeping measures, amendments that no one's going to have a problem with, and those are usually not as big of an issue.

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The ones that are bigger issues, the ones that affect multiple jurisdictions and some have lightning rods to them.

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So number one, starting off is the town's position of opposing the establishment of full gambling casinos in Fairfax County, and that's been something that's been coming around.

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It was defeated last year, but it's expected to come back in some shape or form.

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So that's what that is, and that language is from the adopted language that council put forth last year.

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Number two is the really, it says poses any bill that reduces and eliminates local land use authority, but this was targeted primarily at the accessory dwelling unit legislation that was floating around various versions were floating around the town of Vienna was looking at it on its own and some other jurisdictions that the town was looking at on how it worked to see if we could implement in the town.

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And so, with Senator Saleem's assistance, if the town had adopted an ordinance before a certain date and that would preclude the state requirements for requiring certain provisions in your zoning ordinance.

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So, that's highlighted because unless you all want to just modify this and tweak it, I mean, I don't think the General Assembly will take it up again.

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that what they generally do when they pass a statute that covers it and mandates certain things.

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They give it a few years before they tweak it unless-

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There's some real something that they found out was really not working well, and then they'll agree to make adjustments to it. I haven't heard any issues. I mean, some jurisdictions wish they had more guidance, and wish they knew how it worked better is what I'm hearing, but at this point, the town has an ordinance, and we're not expecting any amendments to the state statute. I haven't heard about that yet. Number three is relating to trees. Now, this council is well aware.

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Where we, the town adopted this most strict, strictest form, and I would say the most

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probably overused word, but most progressive ordinance that were allowed to under the

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State Enabling Language, so we're in district, planning district 8, it's basically

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north of Virginia.

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And so we're allowed to adopt ordinances that have the provisions permitted under Chapter

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After 15, 2, 961.1, the only other jurisdiction in the Commonwealth and in the planning district that is a similar ordinance, it is Garfax County.

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And the towns is subtly different, but significantly the same as Garfax counties when it relates to percentage of tree canopy.

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What some things we've been pushing for in the past, in which I would suggest maybe if you want to keep this on here in some shape,

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is the tree canopy being established in 10 years rather than 20 years.

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And there's some jurisdictions who were grandfathered, they had provisions in place

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before the General Assembly adopted mandated, well, limitations on tree ordinances,

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tree-save ordinances in 1990, but that is something that some jurisdictions have.

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And it might be something that would be, it's gotten a little bit attraction.

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the 10-year canopy is opposed to establishing it in 20 years.

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I don't think it's ever gotten to a four, but one year it got to a four vote, and I think it failed in the other house.

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So we got close one year.

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And, you know, we have a 961.1 ordinance, so we'd want it to apply to that.

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We've asked for it in both sections, so it would apply to other places across the state.

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But if you do 961.1, it would only apply to Plenty District Day, which means we'd only really apply to Fairfax County.

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because that's the only other jurisdiction than as it now.

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False Church has a grandfather tree ordinance, and I haven't heard that they're planning on tweaking it.

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But if they had some additional tools, they might want to use it, other jurisdictions.

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So we might have some allies as what I'm saying, if you wanted to leave that in there.

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But the rest of it, I would submit, unless we get a recommendation from the CSE of the attack,

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maybe adding to 10% trying to get that again.

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You know, number four relates to funding from the North of Virginia Transportation Authority.

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The town's been very fortunate in getting the discretionary funds, so 70% are earmarked for specific types of projects.

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Then there's a 30% of the taxes that are collected that are allowed to go to transportation related, much broader definition.

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And the town has been fortunate in getting in Fairfax County to get them credit as helped the town obtain funding.

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And primarily where we've been able to use it is for sidewalks and other projects because we're not building new roads.

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And there's only so many stacking lanes we can expand without doing takings of property, which can be difficult in cities and towns where you have established businesses and residences.

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So, but we've had this in for a number of years to add the new sidewalk projects as eligible for the full funding.

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But that's something that we could, it comes with a little bit of opposition for whatever reason I do not know.

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I think some of the folks down in General Assembly want to make sure that that transportation funding is definitely going to building roads.

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Number five, this is the local road maintenance funding formula.

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We do a lot of revenue sharing with VDOT where they do matches 5050s and

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there are grants that are even higher and some road rebuilds like cottage years ago was rebuilt with a 98-2% or VDOT does 98% of the funding.

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a road was done with that kind of program.

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So there are projects that the town can apply for, but that's for construction of new roads, or rebuilds, rather.

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For road maintenance, the town gets a certain percentage based on its lane miles.

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And it's never really been related to how much the roads are used and

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and when you have extreme traffic like we do, our side roads get more usage, so just

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just rather than have-

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Having our contribution by lane miles, you know, basically we've asked for some type of formula that would take into account average traffic volumes. And I had some proposed language I came up with. And so that's been on our legislative program for many years.

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You know, you think some of the other urban suburban areas would jump in on this remarkably, they don't for whatever reason are very parochial about their funding.

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And but I think, you know, I think this is a good worthy cause, and I, you know, if the end is going to be the jurisdiction that keeps submitting it until the Dodd and the legislators say there's probably a better way to fund the maintenance portion of the road funding.

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So number five is one of those that, you know, like when is it ever going to pass?

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It's hard to know if somebody will take it up probably and it will get out of committee.

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Number six was related to the vaping restrictions and sale of nicotine vaping products.

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There has been some legislation governing that and restricting it within so many feet,

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1,000 feet of schools is in the code now for these vaping tobacco stores.

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I haven't heard if there's going to be any lobbying to change that.

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Some of this was related to not only the spread and increase in number of vaping

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tobacco stores, smoke stores.

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I think a lot of them opened with the thought that if marijuana was fully legalized,

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Just for recreational use that they would be applying for those licenses, that has not happened for a variety of reasons because the ability to implement a tax system where it's going to be, how it's going to be collected and also some of the health implications of recreational use of marijuana and THC has been, I think, come back around and people aren't so sure that that's a good idea.

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So you're seeing a lot of states, including Virginia's slowing down on the fully,

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fully deep, it's been decriminalized, but it's still a civil violation to possess marijuana

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and to sell it, except with for medicinal purposes, it's still not permitted fully in Virginia.

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So this may have been kind of addressed by two things.

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One, there was legislation about the proximity to schools and the other is just a market

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issue in a statutory hurdles that, you know, so we may, in theory, see fewer of these shops as,

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you know, the prospect of legalization is delayed.

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So when you're talking about your priorities, one, we probably need to tweak the language

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in this and two, you can determine where you want it in priorities.

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Number seven is just a public procurement issue.

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some years ago, the General Assembly without really talking to anybody, took out certain

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types of contracts where you could ride them, use cooperative procurement provisions.

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So if one locality put out that they wanted to do unit costs for certain types

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of construction contracts, that other jurisdictions could jump on those, but they put a limit

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on them, and what the town has said, well, we understand, you know, you want to protect

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people, you know, businesses that are able to put in bids and have some, you know,

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competition among contractors, but, you know, there's certain types of work, nuts and

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bolts work that the towns and cities do, especially the smaller ones, that they could

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ride a contract, that a contractor, local contractors, given a really good price to say

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a bigger county or a bigger city, it would save a lot of money.

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The General Assembly has taken this off.

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It's made it out of committee, but it's never been able to be passed.

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And some of the small business lobbyists and interests lobby heavily against it.

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And so I think the construction industry is kind of split because some of their members

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are fine with it and other ones aren't.

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So you get mixed bag of who's against it every year.

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A is just a policy statement really, but it does and other jurisdictions, you know,

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that are, you know, local government and local governance is, you know, people

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assume that's where, you know, you can do whatever you want to address the interests

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of your community within boundaries, well, as you all know, Virginia is the opposite.

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that the general assembly doesn't enable you to pass regulations or rules for your locality.

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You can't do it.

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So that's the Dillon rule.

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Virginia is by far...

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And the minority on that, there's only a handful of states, I want to say a handful, I think it's six that do that. All other states, the powers are reserved to the local governments if it's not prohibited by the General Assembly or their state house. So it's the opposite in Virginia. And so last year that was on our agenda, it's been on our agenda before too. Number nine is revenue sharing, which has been very, has been very helpful to the town. We're fortunate to have a

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a relatively stable tax base, and so the capital improvement, as I know, you all know, as you're planning for things,

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you know, you have a schedule and the town has been able to reasonably keep things on schedule.

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But if you can get some revenue sharing, it helps the town fund those projects.

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And so that's always been a priority.

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Number 10, his newspaper leader.

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They have tweaked this, and the General Assembly, I think, is a nod to the localities

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that say, you know, we don't even have a local newspaper anymore, or they don't

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really have general circulation.

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That language is still in the State ordinance.

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A newspaper having general circulation.

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They did add that if it doesn't, then you can do, you know, their online circulation

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counts.

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The problem I have from a legal perspective, and no one has, I think, in my mind a good

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for toward or response to this argument is that's not where people are looking for the legal ads.

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When you're advertising a public hearing for increases for taxes, a public hearing for a rezoning, a public hearing for your planning commission,

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and they really need to come up with a clearinghouse for localities or everybody knows where they can see the information.

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The newspaper lobby lobbies heavily against this, so even though it seems like, you know,

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a common sense layup provision, you know, logic doesn't always prevail when there's special interest involved.

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And there is, you know, this concept that newspapers, you know, the free presses were the goal to help.

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But at the end of the day, it's advertising dollars.

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These are for profit entities.

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There's, I think, another way that localities could get their legal notices out,

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which would be more effective and more transparent, but maybe one day.

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Number 11 is something that's always on the town's legislative agenda.

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The 599 funding applies to localities that have their own police departments.

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Because if you don't have your own police department, the sheriff's office,

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And that's your constitutionally elected officer, the sheriff in our jurisdiction.

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And we have a constitutionally elected sheriff in Fairfax County.

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But if you have a local police department, then the sheriff's office takes a different role in law enforcement.

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And your local police department becomes the primary law enforcement agency.

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And so we have in the town, the town police department, Fairfax County as a Fairfax County police department.

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So, because the Sheriff's Office is relieved of that primary obligation, the State

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funds provides a stipend to the town to offset those costs.

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It's not full funding, but it's partial funding.

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And in some years, that's one of the first things they borrow from to balance the budget.

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And as you all know, the State has to balance its budget.

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But I think from the locality's perspective, it's like, you know, we're not balancing

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the budget on the backs of public safety, we establish, you know, our police departments and their

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perpetual departments. So making sure that full funding, there hasn't been a cut back or reduction in

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the funding, but when we say full funding, there's a schedule of, you know, adjusting for inflation. So

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you have to watch that out, watch for that, too. So some years in the past, they haven't cut it, but

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they haven't given the increases that adjusted for inflation. So the town would always support full

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funding with appropriate adjustments.

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Number 12 is the qualified immunity and changes to sovereign immunity.

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There was a movement a few years ago to take away or severely modify qualified

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immunity and making changes to sovereign immunity.

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I think the best way to describe what that is, what qualified immunity and sovereign

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immunity is for localities is we're not like a private entity.

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The localities are not profit-making ventures.

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They don't carry the same kind of insurance.

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And basically, as I will say, sometimes people think I'm making fun of them.

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When they say I'm going to sue the locality because they didn't do or did something

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they think is wrong, I'm like, you're suing yourself.

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And that's where the concept comes from.

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I mean, you all are the government of the people, they're not your sidewalks,

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meaning the 10-

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Council sidewalks. There's the town people sidewalks. So, you know, we do, we do, the town does maintain its sidewalks and its facilities, but if there's a dangerous condition, it needs to be reported and the town fixes it. And so the obligation and duty of care is completely different for a locality and a government than it is for private entity, for a restaurant or for any other operation. The town does have municipal liability insurance, and there are, those things are covered, but qualified immunity.

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And sovereignity are very important to localities.

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And so last year there really wasn't anything that gained traction, but

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there's a group of plaintiffs, lawyers that like to sue localities, and

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they would love to have this changed.

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It would adversely impact a lot of the operations and add costs.

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Costs that the private sector doesn't have to provide police forces.

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The private sector doesn't have to prepare the roads.

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So, you know, these are things and plow the snow and so, if you undermine those, those qualified and sovereignty provisions, you're going to increase those costs.

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13 is there have been modifications to FOIA for open meeting provisions to accommodate virtual remote participation and public hearings in the town during COVID adopted.

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I would say a very good ordinance, we worked with a number of other jurisdictions to come up with a methodology

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to where, you know, you could come and testify live, but you could also do it remotely.

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Well, some of those things made it into the amendments to the FOIA and open meetings.

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What they don't necessarily help is with the elected public officials.

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So, boards and commissions are able to adopt remote participation resolutions where they can have more flexibility.

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But the elected public officials still have to have a physical quorum.

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As you all know, if you have a medical emergency or you're treating, helping a family member that's being treated for medical conditions.

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Those are on the books you can participate remotely.

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If you have a work related issue, you're allowed so many per year, and that's in our resolution now.

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We need to update that every year now, that was a change last year, so we're going to have that in front of you shortly to have that just re-adopted.

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The town council right now's resolution does the most that you can do, but one thing that other jurisdictions have asked for is maybe tweaking the number of meetings you can attend remotely.

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Medical conditions aren't the issue, it's if you have, you know, work issues and you travel for your work, so it would make it easy.

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And then, you know, I think for the elected public bodies, I think there's probably going to always have a quorum requirement that you have to have a quorum of live people present, but that might be something you want to keep on the agenda for the legislative agenda.

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13 is proposed amendments to accommodate, oh, I'm sorry, we just talked about that.

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14 is the plastic bag tax.

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There was some ambiguity when it was done, and Mr. Town manager, do they fix that?

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I thought there was a bill, I can't remember of that pass, and I apologize, I meant to check on this one.

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Do you recall if they amended that with some real simple language, because right now it's ambiguous.

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Okay, I will check on that to see if we got that.

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Mr. Barlow is the director of finance here.

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Are we getting any plastic bag tax money or not?

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So the county's not going to do it voluntarily, is that correct?

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All right, so we didn't start getting it in July.

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That bill didn't pass.

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I'll double check on that.

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And that's for taxes that are collected in the town of Vienna.

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So the plastic bag tax was collected in Vienna.

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And the argument is that the funds should come back here.

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There are strings attached to how you can use those funds.

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It's primarily for recycling and conservation issues.

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So I just say they're 2000 a day, which actually could easily be the case.

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That's $72,000 a year, that's real money.

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At $0.10 a bag, so basically, this sounds like we should be asking the county about.

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We have, do your county, where's our money?

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I think the answer, the answers that I usually get is indirectly they are giving it back to us because we are part of the county and so that they are doing good things with the money and that we are benefiting.

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I'm just telling you what I've kind of heard and I'm not going to say who said that but, but, you know, right, we could, I think we should keep it on.

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Yeah, that's by statute.

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The same provisions in this, for the sales tax, language is not in the plastic bag

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for nobody knew why.

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Yeah.

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Because there's a lot of similar language, and I, no-

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I asked the people that were involved and they don't think that was intentional. They think it was just, they had some language and they, yes, and so there is, it's by school age, children is how that's the sales tax is shared. And that goes to towns, but for whatever reason, the plastic bag tax didn't have that same language. And it doesn't preclude the county from giving it to the town, but they've taken the position they'd rather have the language and the enabling statute.

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Just put that language in one, right in here.

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15,

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this is one that we've had for many years that this Virginia Constitution,

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and I put it in here to remind our state legislatures.

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A lot of times these telecommunications and public service utility companies lobby

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the General Assembly for accessing use of public property.

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Well, under the Constitution, not by statute, under the Constitution, the local government

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attorney, a local government authority, rather, which is you all, are, are, have to

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make sure that the use of the right away is done in an orderly fashion, and if it's

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least or used for a private purpose, there has to be either a franchise or there has

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to be a lease and it has to be publicly advertised.

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Well, some of those entities I mentioned will go to the General Assembly and say,

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well, we don't think we should be paying what all these jurisdictions are saying,

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the license fee, and they've worked some of these things out for uses of the right

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away, but some, there's still some gray area, and they just want the right to use the

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right away without going through what I would argue or the constitutionally required

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provisions, and sometimes they get some traction.

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And at the end of the day, it's basically an in-run around the Constitutional

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requirement that they come and work with the town's localities.

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This would be what I would say, the exception to the Dillon rule in Virginia, this provision.

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And they're not used to it when I say they, I mean, members of the General Assembly.

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They're like, well, we can authorize that.

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No, actually, and whenever I show them the section of the Constitution that usually prompts

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a legal question to somebody in the Attorney General's Office and the bill either

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goes where it starts getting watered down, but we've had some erosion of that local

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authority.

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So this would basically say, as you listen, we know how to do this.

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If you want to set a standard rate for linear foot in that manner, then let's have that

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discussion, and it makes some sense for that, but it still needs to come, and they have

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to have the agreement that comes to us.

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For some of the telecommunications franchises that's been worked out, and it's not as

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big of the deal, but every year you see some bills.

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So this is kind of a preemptive provision that we like to make sure that our,

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remember's in the General Assembly, representatives are aware that they might be asked to sponsor or not oppose something

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that would erode this local authority.

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16 is relates to the North of Virginia Transportation Authority.

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The town has a non-voting seat along with the other towns on the NBTA.

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We don't have a vote as a town collectively or individually, and they would say that's because we're part of the county.

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So far, I would say the county has been very good in helping the town get money, funds for transportation, and it's not been an impediment.

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But this does come up occasionally that why doesn't at least the towns collectively have a vote?

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Since towns, the larger towns maintain the roads, and the counties and the cities in the VTA, or recent additions to doing some of their projects for road construction and other transportation projects.

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So that's been on our legislative agenda for a while.

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However, the county wall point out that, well, Fairfax County will point out that they work well with the town, and they do, and help us get money at the NVTA.

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level.

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17 is this is still floating around. There was a good case that worked its way through

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the courts about the use of skill games. They basically look like, you know, what you

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would see in a casino where you're gambling. I mean, you have credit in the machine.

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You play some game that's based on odds and you can win more than you put in.

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Those machines are not inspected, they're not really regulated.

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They popped up like crazy, because there was kind of a loophole in the statute.

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And it was litigated, Attorney General said, that he didn't think it was legal.

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And then there was some legislation, not legislation.

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But there was some judicial interpretation, and so now, I think it, unless the general assembly passes a statute that says their legal, the most of the games that were popping up, and you would see on the road sides, you know, quickie marks. And you've seen some in the town, and we have to go in occasionally, and please go in and give them a nice seasons assist letter. And there's actually a state police task force now.

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They pop up almost overnight, but I think the town does have an interest in making sure

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that these what are called gray machines aren't legalized or something that under the decision

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that came out two years ago isn't there's not some legislation to try to get around that.

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It's a heavy lobby because it's many obviously applies across the country.

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Some states allow it, but Virginia General Assembly made a policy that they didn't want to allow it.

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But then, there was, like I said, there was this perceived loophole for a while, taxing of vaping products.

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So Virginia taxes tobacco sales currently, and when you buy a pack of cigarettes, there's a tax.

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And Virginia has one of the lowest tax rates in the country because it was traditionally

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not only at tobacco growing state, but it's still, it's not a small amount,

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but it's diminishing sales tax on cigarettes and cigars.

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So the vaping products that they've become more popular, you know, adding those

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and to a tax on those would make up for some of that lost tax revenue that the

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localities used to get.

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And as you're all aware, there's only a limited number of tax revenue sources

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localities have at their disposal, so if you lose taxes from tobacco sales, you're going

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to have to either cut services, cut people, or figure out a way to raise taxes on those

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existing sources, which is unfortunately for us real estate property taxes, the main source

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of revenue for this town and a lot of small jurisdictions, so you lose those revenue sources,

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as you've got to make it up somewhere else. So this was an idea that if you included

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those vaping products like you do to back of sales, it would make up for some of that lost revenue.

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Number 19 is, as came up, I think this was, Councilman Potter came up with this.

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Yes, about, you know, the recycling of packaging materials. There's been some, you know,

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You know, the folks that are pushing for this have gotten some, you may have noticed

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that you're not seeing Styrofoam packaging in your fast food.

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And that became effective July 1st.

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Some fast food restaurants were already had shifted away, but July 1st, you're not

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supposed to have Styrofoam anymore in this particular paper, a recyclable paper,

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or something like that for your packaging.

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So, it's not directly related to this because this was really for cardboard and encouraging

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people that are shipping, I think about the Amazon packages that you get and then

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all everybody ships now and does direct and you know you can get things from, you know

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your hardware stores, you know, home depot and loads will ship things to you and it comes

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in a box so the problem is is our recycling, you know, has gone up in the town in the amount

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a cardboard, but a lot of people still throw it away, so this was intended to be a methodology of

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encouraging people to either use one, to use recycling packaging materials, and then

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assist municipalities in the efforts to recycle that packaging.

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And 20,

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this is something that urban, suburban areas that were built out, what I would say, post-World

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would work to massive, you know, new subdivisions going in.

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Initially, the utilities were put up so quickly they were always above ground.

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Well, that's not ideal, and most subdivisions, including the town since the 60s have said,

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new subdivisions and new development, if you're pulling new lines, they have to be

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underground as part of your local franchise or by statute or ordinance.

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Well, what's that do with all the other above ground utilities?

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Well, as I mentioned earlier, the public service utilities get to use the right away in Virginia,

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and that's for common good, right?

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You need electrical power, you need telephone, service, you need gas service, or whatnot.

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And so that's factored into their use of the right away.

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Well, they don't want to use any of their right away fees or their revenue and their guaranteed profit.

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That's under their franchise agreements or under their state licenses through the State Corporation Commission. They don't want to use any of their revenues to, what I would say, underground facilities that are obsolete. And so they'll continue to make upgrades to their above ground sites, increased capacity to their above ground transmission equipment where if it was brand new equipment, it always had to be underground.

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And so it puts the older, urban suburban localities that are disadvantaged to the newer localities.

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It also, I would submit increases, outages and jurisdictions.

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And if you think about it, and we're very protective of our trees, especially trees near electrical lines.

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I'm not just talking about the high tension lines, which is one of the proposed items here on the right away for the WNOD.

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Those are, those are, those are transmission lines.

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The distribution lines which are running around in a lot of our neighborhoods,

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you know, you plan to mature tree in your yard, if it gets within so many feet

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of those lines, Dominion or Verizon can come and they can cut it.

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You know, you have the easements, if you've got a pole in your front yard,

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there's an easement for it, and it's within so many feet.

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So you say, well, the pole's only, you know, foot and a half wide and diameter

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are at most. Well, their easement for cutting goes out on either side usually 10 to 15 feet.

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Now, you know, and cutting trees is expensive, but they're not going to prune your trees.

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They're going to cut the bare minimum that they need to cut to keep their lines clear,

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which is a worthy goal. You don't want your power going out, right?

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You don't want your telephone lines, your cable lines, you know, going out.

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And so, but if they were undergrounded, you wouldn't have to worry about it.

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But unfortunately, the telecommunications and the power company calls that beautification.

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Notwithstanding no modern subdivision development ordinance allows utility lines to go above ground for a variety of reasons.

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So it's more of a question who has to pay for it and where does the money come from.

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So this is an attempt of the town to ask the General Assembly to say, listen,

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And they've got to start undergrounding these obsolete, I would argue, facilities and

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start taking so many linear feeds, so many miles per year and undergrounding.

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There was some pressure a while ago for them to start this and there was some pilot programs.

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But respectfully, I think the pilot programs were the low hanging fruit, not the real problem areas.

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And they did do something in the town of the NN, some other jurisdictions.

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But it's a drop in the bucket.

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It's something that's going to take 20, 30 years to do.

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But the sooner you start, the better, you know, the better the communities will look.

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You'll have better liability in your power and telecommunications provisions.

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And so this is something that I think the town, long term, has a goal of getting something

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to some authority from the General Assembly.

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And then we had some new items sent in.

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I'll let those, Mr. Councilman Randerson and Councilman Remake speak to those.

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But the Councilman Randerson had some language in here or suggestions for,

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there's the possibility of a new gaming commission being created in the Commonwealth,

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which would supplement what RE is.

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Right now, there are four active full casinos.

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If you know what roses is, those are like gaming machines which are based on historic

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horse racing, H-H-R. You couldn't make it up and criticize our commonwealth, how do you mess

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up gambling? It's either is or it isn't. Well, those machines, H-H-R, which you see in places

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like roses, are,

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they're games of skill, you put in money and you can win more than you put

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out based on odds, sounds like the old one-arm bandits, right, and you have odds, you know,

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you get three cherries you win, right? Well, the odds in the H.H.R. are based on historic

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horse racing results. Generated at random, I mean, it's a fiction that was created because

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Virginia legalized horse racing. You can bet on horse racing. So technically, in the minds

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of somebody, those games you're betting on horse race, even those obviously you're not

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even looking at a horse race when you do it. So that's a legal fiction was created and

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they've popped up and they're popular in some jurisdictions they like. Well, you know,

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do you want those in every 7-11, do you want those in every, you know, any place that,

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you know, can have space of them in their lobby? So Virginia has generally kind of said no,

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And then full gambling, which you would think of as a true casino,

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there's been legislation for a while now to allow those, you know, by referendum.

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them. What's the last?

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The backing in all of this is the rulemaking and, you know, if it's going to be expanded, you know, who's going to be in charge of making sure that they're all inspected, and the more you allow, the bigger bureaucracy you're going to need to make sure it's done properly and not legally. And so, you know, there's the expectation that there's going to be some amendments or creation of a gaming commission that'll be expanded in the commonwealth. And to that extent, you know, I think Vienna has an effort.

397
00:40:29,580 --> 00:40:35,420
in Fairfax County has an interest in making sure that it's still a local decision.

398
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:42,100
And then if there is, gaming allowed that it's done properly and regulated properly.

399
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:47,220
And then the second item council member Anderson put forth is campaign finance reform.

400
00:40:51,610 --> 00:40:59,460
This would limit campaign contributions, improve transparency, mandatory disclosure of donors, including dark money,

401
00:40:59,460 --> 00:41:04,000
an act more effective oversight and support public finance elections.

402
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:08,720
So, as you all know, if you have a campaign account, you have to disclose it and do it.

403
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:14,020
But there's a lot of ways and a lot of loopholes, especially when you have political action committees.

404
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,600
And it is, and you have something, I think Council, not Council Member, but Senator Chapyrsson,

405
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:26,560
when he was a senator put in a bill a couple times, it would say, if you're a publicly regulated utility,

406
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Either a co-op or a dominion power, you should not be allowed to make political donations.

407
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,120
It sounds like common sense, right?

408
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,420
Well, they lobby against it, and they donate a lot of money to members of the General Assembly.

409
00:41:42,420 --> 00:41:53,680
And it did not pass, but that's the kind of campaign finance reform that some folks think would be a good idea in Virginia and let Councilmember Anderson speak to that.

410
00:41:53,680 --> 00:42:01,360
Let me just finish the last one with Councilmember Remake, because this is possible state

411
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:06,260
legislation relating to public utility maintenance of its easements.

412
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:12,460
So as I mentioned earlier, related to another issue, you know, you have these power line

413
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:17,780
easements and gas line easements, either from franchise or from a state charter.

414
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,240
And there were the goals, obviously, we need electricity, we need, you know,

415
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:27,380
telecommunication service to your house, your cable service, and your gas and water.

416
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:31,740
Town has easements as well for water and sewer.

417
00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:42,040
They're necessary, but that being said, you can balance those where you have what people also want as tree in vegetation.

418
00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:46,580
So they have, you know, not only natural vegetation, but

419
00:42:46,580 --> 00:43:02,320
And the ability to have those and plan for those, and if the public utility is able to trump those without any mandate or without any regulations or provisions for giving notice,

420
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:08,600
then, you know, is that really in the public's interest and are these, their public utilities seems to be, there should be a public

421
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,840
component that would limit clear-cutting and lack of planning.

422
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:28,100
So I think that's what the goal of this would be, and when Dominion came on their transmission's lines, and did the clear-cutting on the WNOD trail, as you know, it hit an

423
00:43:28,100 --> 00:43:34,100
nerve and a lot of folks, it's not just a transmission line easement.

424
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:39,340
That's one of the most popular region parks in northern Virginia and

425
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:45,040
it's heavily used and people appreciate not only the trail but the natural state around it.

426
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:51,460
So, this kind of legislation would put some restrictions on public utility maintenance.

427
00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:58,920
I think what the utility companies will say is, well, these are, you know, they're a private

428
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,240
part, they're a private company, and these easements are property rights.

429
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,080
And so they're recorded with the land, and I think they might, what they might say is

430
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:16,600
that to the extent that it increases power outages, things hitting your poles and

431
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,880
causes damage, because they're not allowed to do this, that they're going to ask for

432
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:26,060
compensation from the state, if you're not going to let them cut around their poles

433
00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:28,960
and they're going to say, all right, well then we can document that there's been

434
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,560
damage from trees that we weren't allowed to cut and, you know, we're going to ask for

435
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,880
compensation or rate adjustments. So that's the other side of that coin, but I think

436
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,760
there probably is a, you know, there is probably some legislation that might,

437
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:50,780
that the

438
00:44:50,780 --> 00:44:58,380
If they don't, then you're going to start seeing it in required provisions for their franchises and their public service.

439
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,880
That's state corporation licenses that they have to get. And they're up for renewal periodically. So I think, in their mind, they don't want to do it, but I think in the back of their mind, they're probably thinking we're going to run into some road box in the future if we don't start working on it. So you might get some, when they technically say they have the upper hand legally now, they know in the future they're going to need to renew some of their licenses and provisions. And so if they're more reasonable now,

440
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,280
than some of those renewals might go easier.

441
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,020
So I think that's the leverage you have on that.

442
00:45:34,180 --> 00:45:35,820
So the plus and the minuses of that,

443
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,020
but it certainly hits a nerve in order to Virginia.

444
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,100
Whether that would be statewide or not,

445
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,880
might be, you know, I don't, you know,

446
00:45:44,980 --> 00:45:46,680
but if you all recall, and I'm gonna stop

447
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,540
that editorializing, but if you remember Clark County

448
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:52,400
a few years ago, they were extending transmission lines.

449
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:54,580
I forgot, it was, you know,

450
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,560
Dominion Power is not just Virginia.

451
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:06,140
They go all over, they go, they've merged with Duke Power, which is down in the South and North Carolina, and they have connections up north too.

452
00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:09,940
So they commit, these transmission lines are multi-state.

453
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:17,060
And Cork County, there was a new transmission line and the big high tension line.

454
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,700
So it's sort of what's coming through Vienna on the WNOD trail.

455
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,780
And they were going to do what they always did.

456
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,640
They're just going to put the, they pay the farmers and the farmers sell them.

457
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:30,080
land they actually paid pretty good money to the farmers but those giant towers are

458
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:37,980
up forever and the folks out there said we don't want that and the state folks are saying

459
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:41,920
well they have a right to pull the lines there they just they have to pay for the property

460
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:47,000
but they have condemnation authority too and they push so hard that they made them underground

461
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:52,180
the transmission lines they can't believe they want that battle and it's a beautiful you

462
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:55,340
You know, that's a beautiful part of the state if you haven't driven through it.

463
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,520
It's in between Prince William and then the Shannonville Mountains, basically, it's the

464
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:00,340
rolling hills.

465
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:07,060
And, you know, I'll say it, there's some well-heeled farms out there, and so they had a little bit

466
00:47:07,060 --> 00:47:12,440
of political clout, but you know, they were able to keep those towers from going in and

467
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,320
using underground.

468
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:17,500
But now that they're underground, you know, you don't see them, and there's less maintenance.

469
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:25,680
And so I think there's been some groundwork done for maybe getting the power companies to the table.

470
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:34,020
So then the question goes, as it always goes, you all go through these, maybe take some off tweaks and then organize them.

471
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:41,020
You know, the meeting with Senator Salim and delegates cybald is September 30th.

472
00:47:43,170 --> 00:47:44,510
I know we tweet those days.

473
00:47:45,310 --> 00:47:47,630
It's October 20th, ma'am.

474
00:47:47,870 --> 00:47:49,130
October 20th, yes.

475
00:47:49,590 --> 00:47:49,990
October.

476
00:47:50,090 --> 00:47:51,590
Yeah, October, we moved it, right?

477
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:52,710
Yep.

478
00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:57,570
And the deadline for them to submit their bills.

479
00:47:57,950 --> 00:48:00,270
So, you know, we come up with the legislative agenda.

480
00:48:00,370 --> 00:48:02,950
The town council comes up with its agenda.

481
00:48:03,250 --> 00:48:05,510
But, you know, and as you rough draft at that point,

482
00:48:05,550 --> 00:48:07,630
we meet with the delegate and the good senator

483
00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:09,290
and say, what do you all think?

484
00:48:09,630 --> 00:48:11,790
And then they give their input as they always do every year.

485
00:48:14,690 --> 00:48:21,130
and the deadline for them getting their bills in for drafting is December 1st this year.

486
00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:26,730
Yeah, it's earlier, it's usually, it's always at the beginning of December, but it's about a week earlier this year.

487
00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:35,250
So we'd have, the council's going to have to pass its ranked agenda before that to give our delegate and

488
00:48:35,250 --> 00:48:39,210
senator time to introduce bills, and they have a limited number of bills obviously.

489
00:48:40,330 --> 00:48:51,510
So the sooner the better we get a good working draft, and then we meet with them, and then have another meeting after that to do the final rankings, please get in the process in place to do the final rankings.

490
00:48:52,770 --> 00:48:56,290
Thank you. Thank you, Steve. Thank you, Towntourney, town manager.

491
00:48:57,750 --> 00:49:09,010
Yeah, it's not a mayor, remember, so the town council, as of right now, November 10th is what we have on the schedule for public hearing and approval of the legislative agenda, and that's what the town attorney was referring to.

492
00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:13,490
Yeah, that's the last thing you do.

493
00:49:13,730 --> 00:49:18,070
So you'll advertise, take the public input, and you can reorganize.

494
00:49:18,090 --> 00:49:21,510
You'll have a little bit of time to reorganize the order if you want.

495
00:49:21,610 --> 00:49:23,210
But we should have a pretty good order by then.

496
00:49:24,450 --> 00:49:26,270
I would recommend that you do that.

497
00:49:26,590 --> 00:49:29,130
Don't wait till the 10th to say what order we're going to put in there.

498
00:49:29,410 --> 00:49:29,830
We will.

499
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:30,490
We'll be better.

500
00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:31,550
We'll be better this year.

501
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:33,410
Promise, town attorney.

502
00:49:34,210 --> 00:49:35,570
So go ahead, town manager.

503
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:37,230
Yes, Madam Mayor.

504
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:42,910
members of the town council, we do have a number of allies around the region.

505
00:49:44,430 --> 00:49:49,830
We have the Northern Virginia Regional Commission, where I go to those CIO meetings and

506
00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:51,730
the mayor goes to the Mayor's and chairs meetings.

507
00:49:52,410 --> 00:49:56,850
And then we also have the TANV group, we tomorrow with them.

508
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:59,970
And so once this legislative agenda is

509
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:28,860
As finalized, we can share with some of those groups. For example, we know that the bag tags issue something that the town association among the Virginia is very interested in and very, very motivated by. And so this is an example of how we can leverage some of those relationships, given whatever items we want to advance. Right. Thank you. Okay. So let's go around. Council members, we're getting near eight.

510
00:50:28,860 --> 00:50:30,940
But this is, of course, very important.

511
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,020
So, Chuck, do you want to start?

512
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:35,600
Just you have any comments?

513
00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:36,720
You want Jessica to start?

514
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:37,340
That's fine.

515
00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:38,960
All right, Jessica, why don't you start?

516
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,260
And just any comments on any of the items

517
00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:43,460
that Steve talked about?

518
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,500
You don't have to mention everyone.

519
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,800
But if there's anything you want to mention

520
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,980
or any questions you have, let's discuss that now.

521
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:54,260
All righty.

522
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:55,240
Thank you.

523
00:50:55,240 --> 00:51:05,700
So I would say I continue to support the items that we have for our top priorities from

524
00:51:06,410 --> 00:51:07,220
last year.

525
00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:16,480
I do think, I know I was advocating for and working on the one that is item six in

526
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:22,340
particular relating to vaping products, so I'm interested in learning more about the status

527
00:51:22,340 --> 00:51:28,060
of the implementation of that, the legislation that the town attorney mentioned.

528
00:51:28,780 --> 00:51:33,920
Of course, I know I wouldn't pass and just express support for the top priorities, but

529
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,900
I continue to think opposing the casino as the top priority makes sense to me.

530
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:45,460
I know we've got to continue to be active on that and we've been unanimous in our opposition

531
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:48,860
of a casino in Tyson's corner.

532
00:51:48,860 --> 00:51:59,060
I think other things I would just mention, I do think the bag tax item, I'm interested

533
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:01,800
in moving that up in our priority list.

534
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,300
That seems like one especially in light of other localities being interested.

535
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:14,800
It seems I've been asked about that whether the town gets receives that and it's surprising

536
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:21,960
that we don't. So I would support that being a higher priority. I think I appreciate the

537
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:30,420
items that Chuck that you put forward. I think my only thing maybe we can just think more about it.

538
00:52:31,860 --> 00:52:36,420
Without getting too deeply into what is actually said here about a gaming commission,

539
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:42,980
it could be misread as wanting more gaming. I know that is not what is intended here,

540
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:47,960
or wanting more regulation, I just want to be sure that our message is clear on our

541
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:56,540
position, which I know it has been, I know how involved you are in the no casino organizing.

542
00:52:56,820 --> 00:53:02,660
I just wouldn't want something that Ben says we want a gaming commission to be interpreted

543
00:53:02,660 --> 00:53:09,260
as being four more gaming. I don't think that is what you intend by putting this forward just

544
00:53:09,260 --> 00:53:12,700
just to be clear, I just wouldn't want it to be interpreted that way.

545
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:21,760
And then just briefly, I think the town attorney did a nice job explaining the issue that

546
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:27,020
I had put forward on possible legislation related to public utilities and management of

547
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:27,520
their easements.

548
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:35,740
I know, again, this is an issue where the council has been supportive in passing our resolution

549
00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:39,780
in favor of working more with Dominion for them to replant.

550
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:47,160
And there was just a rally a couple weekends ago with members of the community who were there too.

551
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,460
This is something that we can do to further advance the conversation.

552
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:56,880
I think it's interesting to hear what possibilities may exist.

553
00:53:57,020 --> 00:54:01,420
It certainly doesn't seem like a circumstance that should be repeated.

554
00:54:01,420 --> 00:54:09,120
or we need to do something to try and get the replanting done on our trail and to try and mitigate

555
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:14,100
the risk of something like that happening in the future. So it may be that there are other areas

556
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:21,040
that are interested in joining in on this with us other areas locally where they've also been

557
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:26,440
affected. So we can work more on what the language would be here and if it would be a requirement to

558
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:31,280
coordinate as the town attorney has drafted it or if it would be something that

559
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:37,900
leans in a little bit more but I think we could work on that together. Thank you, okay thank you

560
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:39,020
Jessica. Ray.

561
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:45,850
Councilmember, I'm very brief. I'm 2024.

562
00:54:50,340 --> 00:54:51,920
We had they not

563
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,860
I'm thinking we had all

564
00:54:57,700 --> 00:54:59,080
30 munities number five.

565
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:10,400
We had qualified immunity as number five. Qualified immunity is really important. We have our own

566
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:18,140
police force and are great. Safety to me is our number one priority. I think it should be higher,

567
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:26,780
but I'll just express that. But what I want to do is we have been blindsided and fooled by this vaping matter.

568
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:32,400
I'm going to hand it here just a little bit.

569
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,660
I just want to list very quickly.

570
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,580
Vaping is associated with lung injury, chronic lung disease.

571
00:55:41,700 --> 00:55:45,260
There are heavy metals, such as nickel, lead, and anomone,

572
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:50,100
which are invading products, increased risk

573
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:53,860
of heart attack and stroke, higher rate of blood pressure,

574
00:55:54,340 --> 00:55:57,460
higher risk of heart failure, nicotine addiction,

575
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:58,980
nicotine is highly addictive,

576
00:55:58,980 --> 00:56:05,360
that many vape products contain high concentrations, impaired brain development, brain continues to

577
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:12,740
develop until age 25 and this is really after the young people, lower cognitive function, researchers

578
00:56:12,740 --> 00:56:17,320
found that college students who vape have lower scores and cognitive function test, mental health

579
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:22,320
issues, cancer risk, I can go on and on, you get the point.

580
00:56:24,530 --> 00:56:27,310
I do not think we should do anything

581
00:56:27,310 --> 00:56:35,530
to encourage vaping in our town, it's a health hazard, it is not a recreation cigarette.

582
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,960
Okay, thank you, Ray. Roy?

583
00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:44,530
Actually, I would like to defer.

584
00:56:45,590 --> 00:56:51,090
First of all, I apologize for my raspy voice, I'm recovering from a call, I guess.

585
00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:59,390
But I would like to hear Councilmember Anderson's talk about his two items.

586
00:56:59,390 --> 00:57:01,690
Okay, all right, Chuck.

587
00:57:05,020 --> 00:57:07,020
You may be sorry, you deferred, but here goes.

588
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:11,160
First, the gaming commission.

589
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:14,740
This isn't my idea, it's not being pulled out of the blue.

590
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:22,760
It's part of a broader strategy of the, basically, not just the no casino, but let's start regulating

591
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,720
gambling in the Commonwealth.

592
00:57:26,780 --> 00:57:31,420
delegate Creezek, who represents Alexandria, is really behind this.

593
00:57:31,540 --> 00:57:33,900
And I've spoken to him several times about this.

594
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:40,560
And the idea is there's such an explosive amount of gambling in the common wealth.

595
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,720
And it's not just recinos and casinos, it's sports batting, it's online batting.

596
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:51,500
It's the gray machines that everybody needs to take a pause and

597
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:59,820
establish a single bureaucratic entity in Richmond that takes a holistic approach and has institutional knowledge.

598
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:12,440
This is really an initiative by the sort of, let's sort of get gaming in its larger, you know,

599
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,300
in its larger sense under control.

600
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:23,240
It does include a clause that would basically place moratoriums on any additional casinos and potentially

601
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:28,020
casinos or something like that until the gaming commission is established until some studies

602
00:58:28,020 --> 00:58:31,480
is done to see what the health and economic impacts of gaming.

603
00:58:31,780 --> 00:58:38,600
So that's sort of the background of this.

604
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:53,340
The No Fairfax Casino Coalition, which essentially represents 30 or 40 different homeowners associations, the town of Vienna, has lined up behind this measure.

605
00:58:54,180 --> 00:59:04,220
It's seen as essentially a way of putting the brakes on the establishment of Casino.

606
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:14,740
It's not new legislation that was introduced last year by Delegate Creesick, and it's gotten a fair amount of support.

607
00:59:17,780 --> 00:59:30,380
So my idea would be to join some of the other associations, and by the way, the county has been asked to put it on its legislative agenda too.

608
00:59:30,380 --> 00:59:41,700
And I'm not sure exactly if they'll agree to that or not, but you do need to phrase

609
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:51,380
it such that it doesn't appear to be condoning gaming or growing gaming, and in fact precisely

610
00:59:51,380 --> 00:59:54,080
the opposite is true, that's not its purpose or intent.

611
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:59,980
I would suggest working on language that's

612
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:21,520
It sort of marries this with the no casino. So it's clear that they're both sort of part of the same, you know, the same, or if people don't like it, taking this language and making it clear as to what its purposes and intent. Question?

613
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:36,500
I think it's a great idea is it seems like it's implied that if they have a gaming commission that they have legitimacy given to casinos and we don't want to give them legitimacy.

614
01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:40,700
No, it doesn't give the gaming commission authority to establish casinos whatsoever.

615
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,380
That's not one of its intentions.

616
01:00:44,380 --> 01:00:59,920
up until now only the state has had the authority to identify potential localities that would be eligible for casinos and to date they've only done five.

617
01:01:00,700 --> 01:01:10,240
Again, the whole purpose of this is to sort of put some breaks on gaming and not to essentially expand it.

618
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:18,400
Now, could be misused, I agree, but that's the purpose and I will work on some more specific language.

619
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:36,020
The campaign finance reform idea is actually one that is I learned about by my work on the no casino efforts.

620
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:59,580
Part of the problems we face down in Richmond is that the pro-casino people are spending enormous amounts of money, which they can do under Virginia law, because Virginia has one of the least regulated campaign finance regimes in the nation were like number 47 out of 50.

621
01:01:59,580 --> 01:02:08,500
And most people don't realize that state delegates and senators can accept unlimited contributions.

622
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:09,700
There's no limit.

623
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:17,720
If somebody wants to buy a vote by giving a senator a million dollars, that's totally legal in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

624
01:02:18,820 --> 01:02:24,020
And so consequently, who gains power in Richmond?

625
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:30,780
Even the people who throw a lot of money around and the two most recently who have been

626
01:02:30,780 --> 01:02:37,260
at the top of the list are Comstock and the Procassino people and Dominion Power.

627
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:46,060
And so this is also in some respects related to the tree cutting and trying to convince

628
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:58,840
to be a little bit more cognizant of the fact that their easement goes right through a public park and right through the heart of Vienna.

629
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:09,240
I know this is new and there's a lot of elements to it. I'm going to, and there's more than one way of dealing with this.

630
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:17,680
It could be as part of the legislative agenda and I created some draft language that's relatively vague for the legislative agenda.

631
01:03:18,140 --> 01:03:18,920
It's a new idea.

632
01:03:19,500 --> 01:03:27,440
I don't know if I propose putting it up there towards the top, but you might want to consider basically making a claim.

633
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:40,860
There's also a group called Big Money Out of Virginia, and they're trying to convince localities to pass resolutions basically asking for campaign finance reform.

634
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:48,900
Two counties have done so, or two municipalities, the town of Blacksburg and the county of Leesburg.

635
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:56,080
I'm going to pass around the language that the town of Blacksburg has passed.

636
01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:23,000
But the whole purpose here again is sort of getting big money out of Virginia or to it's not to essentially totally make campaign finance public, but it is an attempt to sort of put some limits and some additional transparency on campaign finance in Virginia.

637
01:04:23,620 --> 01:04:27,680
Again, I think this is interesting leverage for some of the other items that we want to do,

638
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,320
so I think it's worthy of consideration.

639
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:41,160
I know it's a new issue, but it's important, and now I'll go through my laundry list of other items, if I can.

640
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:48,320
I would move the ALU's down because they did pass ALU legislation, and

641
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:55,820
And we're covered under our grandfathered, our own enacted legislation.

642
01:04:55,820 --> 01:04:57,840
So I don't think that's going to be a big item.

643
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,980
I agree about moving-

644
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:29,980
I would think about basically putting the taxation and the regulation together and basically creating one thing. Town requires basically more regulation and control over vaping. That includes additional authority to restrict. All now we can do is restrict to a thousand linear fee from a school, but not a park. And we don't have the capability of

645
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:47,320
limiting the numbers. So I think we would like additional authority to restrict. And I also would like to tax. I did a quick, you know, AI. There's about a half million dollars sales estimated a vaping products in Vienna a year at a 20% tax. That would be $100,000.

646
01:05:48,220 --> 01:05:57,380
It would also raise the price. And as it comes would say increases in price reduces demand. And so I think that's worthwhile.

647
01:05:58,820 --> 01:06:10,720
On the revenue sharing thing, could we add in sharing between counties and towns instead

648
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:16,000
of just state and localities, because we pay all these taxes into Fairfax County?

649
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:23,120
I just think about putting it in there, not making a big deal about it, but Montgomery County

650
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:27,000
does revenue shareings with towns and why not?

651
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:27,760
It should be fair.

652
01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:34,600
We pay for a lot of services here directly that release the county from paying for those.

653
01:06:34,940 --> 01:06:37,260
So just an idea.

654
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:48,860
On undergrounding, I'm wondering if we can try to make this more palatable by making it

655
01:06:48,860 --> 01:06:59,140
bit more specific, which is some language that says basically utilities should be required

656
01:06:59,140 --> 01:07:06,460
to underground locations that are at the highest risk of outages in terms of number

657
01:07:06,460 --> 01:07:13,420
of people. That would essentially focus on urban areas, older urban areas, where the lines

658
01:07:13,420 --> 01:07:18,220
are oldest and there's a lot of trees. And I'm just wondering if that would make it a little

659
01:07:18,220 --> 01:07:20,740
more palatable because it wouldn't be so open-ended.

660
01:07:38,700 --> 01:07:42,220
They've stepped up their pruning in the urban and suburban areas.

661
01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:43,020
Sure.

662
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:45,300
I'm not talking about the WNOD type pruning.

663
01:07:46,420 --> 01:07:50,780
But that could be tied into, okay, don't prune so much, but underground instead.

664
01:07:54,030 --> 01:08:01,870
On the easements, I'm wondering if it might be more palatable if we focus on easements in public

665
01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:14,410
public parks. That is essentially requiring localities to have authority to request replacement

666
01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:23,010
or preservation in public park areas. Again, it limited a little bit, makes it more

667
01:08:23,010 --> 01:08:28,690
specific and also I'm thinking of trying to draft it in a way that gives us a little bit

668
01:08:28,690 --> 01:08:32,530
but more leverage over dominion on the issue at hand.

669
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:34,570
So just an idea I had.

670
01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:40,570
And then finally, and I apologize for going so long, but I do this more and

671
01:08:40,570 --> 01:08:44,930
more than my fourth or fifth year as I've become much more interested in the largest lay of agenda.

672
01:08:45,430 --> 01:08:48,570
Because I realize that we can only do so much here.

673
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:54,130
If we really want to make a difference, we have to basically push the town or the state.

674
01:08:54,130 --> 01:09:02,670
And I had an interesting conversation last week with Delegate Seabold and Senator Selene.

675
01:09:03,610 --> 01:09:07,470
And they said, well, you know, you guys in Vienna, you push stuff, you're never going

676
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:09,210
to get like moving the election day.

677
01:09:09,570 --> 01:09:13,690
And the newspaper thing because the newspaper lobby is just too strong and you're never going

678
01:09:13,690 --> 01:09:14,170
to get that.

679
01:09:14,650 --> 01:09:16,670
And they said, but you never ask for money.

680
01:09:17,530 --> 01:09:19,970
They said, you should ask for money.

681
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:22,770
And I said, okay, I'll bring that to council.

682
01:09:22,770 --> 01:09:29,390
So, and one of my ideas, and I didn't put it in here because I thought we would have

683
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:36,330
an open discussion about it, is why don't we ask for money for the feasibility for the

684
01:09:37,610 --> 01:09:42,050
property that we're buying in terms of maybe turning it into an economic development center

685
01:09:42,910 --> 01:09:44,270
or something like that?

686
01:09:46,020 --> 01:09:51,090
They said it's easier to get money that it is to make some of these other legislative changes.

687
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:55,270
So I said, okay, we'll talk about it.

688
01:09:55,470 --> 01:09:59,970
So I know it's another new idea that hasn't been raised before, but...

689
01:10:00,050 --> 01:10:31,280
I think if other council members could think about it and think about items that could attract, be attractive to the legislators. I like the idea of the, you know, the posh building because if you put it into an economic development context, I think that has more bipartisan support, et cetera, et cetera. So believe it or not, that's it for me. Okay. Thank you, Chuck.

690
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,280
But Town Manager?

691
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,740
Yes, Madam Mayor, members of the Town Council.

692
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:53,700
And just following up with Council Member Anderson, just mentioned, I would imagine that a one-time request like that would also be more attractive to General Assembly, instead of like recurring request, but a one-time infusion of funds for an economic development purpose probably would be somewhat attractive.

693
01:10:53,700 --> 01:11:00,660
I don't know if it's a legislative agenda item, because it sounds like to me they consider under their budget.

694
01:11:02,360 --> 01:11:18,400
You know, their budgeting process, but anyway, what delegate Seabold and Senator Selene said, all these others jurisdictions asked for money, and they get it, you should be asking for money, so okay.

695
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:18,480
Okay.

696
01:11:18,860 --> 01:11:20,600
All right.

697
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:21,200
Thank you.

698
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,180
All right.

699
01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:24,920
Going back to Roy.

700
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:25,740
All right.

701
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:26,440
Thank you.

702
01:11:26,780 --> 01:11:28,780
Madam Mayor and members of the talent council.

703
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:32,900
I want to salute council member Anderson.

704
01:11:33,140 --> 01:11:40,380
I think that we can rely on him and possibly also council member spring stream in their

705
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:55,100
in their retirement years to be able to focus the time that we need on getting us legislation in particular.

706
01:11:55,440 --> 01:12:05,600
So I guess my first question for all of this is, does it really make a difference whether a particular request is ranked higher or lower?

707
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,780
Is that a question for our town turning?

708
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:12,600
I just do that for a general.

709
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,660
I mean, I do think so.

710
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,580
I think what the town manager has mentioned is important.

711
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,280
That there are other jurisdictions that we can work with.

712
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,500
And if they have the same interests as we do,

713
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:27,680
I think that's a little more powerful.

714
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:28,200
Right.

715
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,420
So if we do rank some of these higher,

716
01:12:31,060 --> 01:12:32,560
that we can take to them.

717
01:12:32,780 --> 01:12:34,060
And I think that makes a big difference.

718
01:12:34,060 --> 01:12:43,040
And I think when our sender and delegate come in too, they can only, you know, work on so many things as well.

719
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,120
And so I think that it does make a difference.

720
01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:49,260
I still think, and I know we've had this conversation.

721
01:12:49,460 --> 01:12:56,620
I think it's important to have a full list because maybe, you know, a jurisdiction has number one.

722
01:12:56,900 --> 01:13:00,900
It may be number eight, but we still agree with them that it should happen.

723
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:05,960
And so I still think it's important to do the full list, but I think ranking does matter.

724
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,880
That's my answer, Ray.

725
01:13:10,580 --> 01:13:12,020
Did you have one answer that too?

726
01:13:12,340 --> 01:13:19,940
Yes, chap Peterson said anything passed four, they don't really pay attention to.

727
01:13:20,780 --> 01:13:23,060
In other words, they're being really on for busy.

728
01:13:23,860 --> 01:13:25,600
So it has to be up in the four or five.

729
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:29,960
It's nice to put, I've requested that we reduce the number.

730
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:34,480
but it's nice to put them all in, and as the mayor said,

731
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,100
it might match up with another jurisdiction here need.

732
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,320
But if they're in the four or five range,

733
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:42,800
they will pay attention to it.

734
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,080
Hopefully we have a state senator

735
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,920
with a longer attention span at this point.

736
01:13:50,220 --> 01:13:51,380
All right, and keeping in mind, the fact

737
01:13:51,380 --> 01:13:53,480
that we're at 8.7, 8.18 p.m.

738
01:13:53,740 --> 01:13:57,640
and this agenda item was supposed to end at 8.

739
01:13:57,860 --> 01:13:59,640
I'll be brief in my comments.

740
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,400
It's number two, I agree with Council Member Anderson.

741
01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:15,280
I think that can come off because I don't see us being able to get any more traction on accessory dwelling units anytime soon.

742
01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:22,200
And it seems like we've got a satisfactory arrangement for the town.

743
01:14:30,260 --> 01:14:31,680
Roy, just briefly.

744
01:14:33,020 --> 01:14:34,560
There's actually two parts to that.

745
01:14:34,740 --> 01:14:40,860
There's one part I would still keep in some way, which is opposing the use of any limitation of the land authority.

746
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,260
Yes, we added the ALU's.

747
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:44,460
Right, thank you.

748
01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:46,220
Yeah, I would drop the ALU.

749
01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:48,340
I just looked at the ALU legislation.

750
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,100
It does allow us to do what we want to do.

751
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:54,280
The new legislation that was passed by the state.

752
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,900
So I think we could drop that part.

753
01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:59,980
Well, let me just say I'm going to continue.

754
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,920
Wait, tell Roy what's on, but now that we're talking about it, I did hear that there is some talk, enrichment that there are some, some, some elected officials that want to tell jurisdictions exactly what to do with their area. So I heard this from a very good source and kind of giving me a little warning there. So we may want to keep that in. I don't, I don't know why we would, you know, like if, if that's, if that is a chance that they, that is actually something that's true.

755
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,060
I don't think it's going to hurt to keep that in there.

756
01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:40,060
I mean, I understand that we have an ordinance, it's great, but we want to have our own decisions on ALUs.

757
01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:49,000
We don't, you know, and different jurisdictions, again, may want different things that we do, but I don't think it would hurt to keep it in.

758
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:58,640
For No. 7, the cooperative procurement, I guess my question would be, what, how much

759
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:03,060
is this costing us as it, as the statute currently, is written?

760
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:05,280
It's only $1

761
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:31,180
,000 worth of money is outwinded at.

762
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:32,840
Well,

763
01:16:35,980 --> 01:16:38,960
I mean, it's certainly a worthy cause.

764
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,980
You've indicated it has gotten out of the committee in the past.

765
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:55,300
I think that, especially tonight of what Council Member Brill has stated that we ought to take some of our hotter issues and make them higher up than that.

766
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:11,720
The same thing I think goes for the Dillon rule, I would, that's number eight, I would be happy to move that down the list because it's likelihood of successes.

767
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:18,800
is minimal. Number nine, I guess I would like to have more detail on exactly what revenue

768
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:26,940
sharing mechanisms we would support. And I guess my question on that is, is there suggested

769
01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:34,740
legislation now that we can hand to delegate Seabold and Senator D'Sulling?

770
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:40,860
That's a great question, and when I read that and I was going through it, it's such a

771
01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:45,380
short thing, but I'm trying to remember when it first got on our legislative committee

772
01:17:45,380 --> 01:17:51,660
and I mean agenda, I think it got, I think it was related to something the town wanted

773
01:17:51,660 --> 01:18:00,100
to and then I think that's been addressed, but in the future I don't know because we do

774
01:18:00,100 --> 01:18:10,020
You've revenue sharing and other circumstances, let me find out the original reason why it got on our legislative agenda.

775
01:18:11,140 --> 01:18:21,180
I think that problem was solved, but some past councils wanted to leave it in, because that's been on there, at least ten years, Councilmember.

776
01:18:21,180 --> 01:18:31,860
It's a good question about why, what are we specifically talking about, because it does seem vague, and honestly, it's been vague for a while now, so let me look to see the original intern.

777
01:18:33,260 --> 01:18:50,360
All right, the number 11 about full 599 funding, my question on this is how much, again, how much does it cost Vienna under the current?

778
01:18:50,360 --> 01:19:00,340
the current legislation, the current statute, and how much could we save if this request was granted?

779
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:16,800
I think if we can, I mean, speaking of money, if we can make it clear to our representatives how much money we are losing under the current statute.

780
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,580
And how much we could save if they would go to bat for us.

781
01:19:20,580 --> 01:19:22,920
I think that it would be much more persuasive to them.

782
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:33,180
Well, they haven't cut it in a while, because it's always on our legislative agenda and a number of jurisdictions, you know, watched this carefully for when the budget comes out.

783
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:42,080
So I think right now it's basically a prophylactic legislative agenda to make sure that they understand that we're watching it every year.

784
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,300
And that we're not adjusting our budget slowly for a cut.

785
01:19:45,740 --> 01:19:50,560
We're counting on getting the bare minimum that they have been providing.

786
01:19:51,500 --> 01:19:59,720
All right, well, in the regard to number 14, the flat-to-fag tax, again, I would suggest that.

787
01:20:00,050 --> 01:20:22,230
If we can, to put it a figure of how much the town could stand to gain by using the sales tax pass-through rules. So that we can show our representatives how much money it could make for the town. I think it would make it more persuasive for them.

788
01:20:34,820 --> 01:20:41,960
I feel that number 19 is, well, first of all, 18 is extremely important.

789
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:49,960
And I think that's the one about taxing vaping products because I read here that vaping

790
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:57,220
products are now currently untaxed, which is, I think that that's really intolerable.

791
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,700
I would support moving that way up on the list.

792
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:08,240
And I would like to say number 19 as well, which is the extended producer responsibility

793
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:14,320
program for 100 percent recycling, but I have to question whether that would probably,

794
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,700
how much success that would have with our, with our representatives.

795
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:30,680
The, but I would like, definitely, to make room for Councilmember Anderson's two suggestions

796
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:31,880
near the top.

797
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:38,640
I think these are, as he has explained them, I think these are very worthy and should be

798
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:44,380
high up on our list. And the same thing goes for Council Member Remekis' suggestion.

799
01:21:45,060 --> 01:21:51,300
I think this is extremely important. And also, I think we need to, I think we will be well advised

800
01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:56,200
as a council to make it as clear as possible to town residents that we are doing everything

801
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:04,920
we can to try to hold dominion to account for what they have done to our hundreds of trees

802
01:22:05,410 --> 01:22:14,400
that are along the right-of-way along the WNOD trail. And I would really encourage us to make

803
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:21,400
Councilmember Remake's suggestion one of our highest priorities. And now my voice is officially

804
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,380
are they giving out? So I'll yield back.

805
01:22:25,100 --> 01:22:27,600
Okay. Thank you, Roy. Go ahead, Tim Ender.

806
01:22:28,260 --> 01:22:37,140
Yes, Madam Mayor. Members of the town council, both our senator and this is going back to what councilmember Baldwin asked at the very beginning and in the mayor and councilmember.

807
01:22:37,140 --> 01:22:45,560
Brill begin to answer and I'll just continue by saying that they both have a pre-set number that they can pre-file.

808
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:56,040
And so, and as much as whatever our top legislative agenda items are, whether it's two, three, four, five, and whatever we have a cut off,

809
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:05,380
those are the ones that they're most likely to include in their set number that they're allowed to pre-file under.

810
01:23:05,380 --> 01:23:12,960
I don't know what that number is on the center side or a delegate side, but there is a number that they can pre-file for.

811
01:23:13,580 --> 01:23:19,420
And then the other items that we have beyond that, top three, four, five, or whatever, as the mayor indicated,

812
01:23:20,300 --> 01:23:26,160
we have friends around the state that may have similar concerns or issues, and we can team up with them.

813
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:29,180
Okay, thank you, town manager.

814
01:23:30,180 --> 01:23:36,360
So I think we do need to kind of think about what do we want to focus on,

815
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:40,400
And even though I know I have also said, let's keep everything on, because I think that

816
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:41,180
part is important too.

817
01:23:41,260 --> 01:23:43,180
I've heard a lot of people talking about the vaping.

818
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,340
So maybe the vaping could get moved up.

819
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:51,280
I think qualified immunity is extremely important that needs to stay on.

820
01:23:52,060 --> 01:23:59,260
And I've heard maybe Dylan rules, things like that, maybe moving down a little bit, and

821
01:23:59,260 --> 01:24:03,780
the plastic bag, getting the taxes from the plastic bag, maybe that one could move up.

822
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:10,260
I think that number one and two, in my opinion, I think we should keep those as one and two.

823
01:24:10,420 --> 01:24:13,760
We've got the casino number one, and we've got local land use.

824
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:18,760
Whether we keep the part about the accessory drilling units, I don't think it hurts, and

825
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:23,480
given what I've heard, I think we might want to just keep that in there.

826
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,880
The local land use obviously is a big umbrella, right?

827
01:24:26,980 --> 01:24:30,440
So that covers a lot of things, and I know that that's really precious to the town of Vienna

828
01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:32,020
and what makes us very special.

829
01:24:32,020 --> 01:24:34,980
So, in my opinion, I would keep those two.

830
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:41,100
Now the trees, I know we've had that as number three, just some thought, we might not want

831
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:44,900
to have that as number three, just because we have tried year after year after year.

832
01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:49,660
I know we've gotten a little closer, but do we want to focus on some other things like

833
01:24:49,660 --> 01:24:55,640
the vaping, like Councillor Anderson, you know, the Gaming Commission, the trees?

834
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:58,880
I don't know, I think, I think, Council Member,

835
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:28,940
Just your suggestion is really good. It would be interesting to hear what our delegate and sender say. And, you know, if they think that that's something that has traction, and it could be, I agree with you too, Roy. I mean, all of us feel the same way. I know about the W-90 Trail and what's happened with our trees, but it will be interesting to hear what they have to say if that's something that can gain traction. So maybe some of those things, depending on, you know, they are going to have a lot of insight.

836
01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:34,760
as to, you know, how much traction they can get, whether they can even carry the bill,

837
01:25:35,440 --> 01:25:40,900
or maybe they're on a committee that they can vote and support it in some way.

838
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:45,180
But I think, you know, maybe that's what we need to think about.

839
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:50,900
Keep one into the same, move up some of the others that we've all been talking about and

840
01:25:50,900 --> 01:25:57,280
supporting, and obviously keep trees on there, keep, I mean, the sidewalk one is wonderful,

841
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:02,020
because I think as we've run it out, we put all these wonderful sidewalks in with the

842
01:26:02,020 --> 01:26:07,280
Madrobans in trust, we're running out of funding, and I think that would be, we all know that

843
01:26:07,820 --> 01:26:13,240
sidewalks get people out of their cars, it is good for congestion, so it seems to make sense

844
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:21,580
that it should be used for the 30%, I don't know, I don't know if that's something that is possible.

845
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:26,820
So maybe just trying to be a little more realistic, like what are the ones that we really could

846
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:31,800
to have some success with, I'm thinking, would be important.

847
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:36,200
But I think all the suggestions have been really great tonight.

848
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:45,960
So we need to get, so after saying that, I think we remind me town attorney,

849
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:49,640
do we talk to our delegate and send her first?

850
01:26:50,220 --> 01:26:53,120
And then we rank, I think to me, that makes sense.

851
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,860
Or do we rank and then give it to them, and then we rank.

852
01:26:55,860 --> 01:27:01,220
Like, what if, you know, I don't want to rank and then have them say, okay, there's no

853
01:27:01,220 --> 01:27:01,420
way.

854
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:07,240
Your number three is never, ever going to happen, you know, I mean, it seems like we

855
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,300
should have some flexibility after meeting with them.

856
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:13,160
And maybe we do that.

857
01:27:13,300 --> 01:27:16,200
Maybe we rank and then we re-rank if needed.

858
01:27:16,940 --> 01:27:17,520
Thank you.

859
01:27:17,780 --> 01:27:25,480
We tweak the ADU's language because, you know, I think you're right, you don't, we

860
01:27:25,480 --> 01:27:29,320
We, for many years, we've said, listen, we want, we do our local land use authority.

861
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:32,960
It's an important local rule, you know, and that includes ADUs.

862
01:27:34,220 --> 01:27:39,460
We did get some protection, I think last year, and that there was a grandfathering.

863
01:27:39,860 --> 01:27:43,300
So we don't know what people are going to legislate though, but I've heard those rumors too.

864
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:43,820
Yeah.

865
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,240
That they're just a mix of housing.

866
01:27:46,420 --> 01:27:51,180
And then if y'all have been following the legend, the legal battles going on in Arlington,

867
01:27:51,180 --> 01:27:59,960
where they're extended housing option program, the missing middle, and I have personally more details on them.

868
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:02,020
I'm involved in one of those cases for a private client.

869
01:28:02,340 --> 01:28:03,640
It's an interesting concept.

870
01:28:04,940 --> 01:28:09,200
They're probably, even if it is found, they're probably tweaked.

871
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:14,860
They really forced it through really fast, and you know, you don't want to, you know, that's

872
01:28:14,860 --> 01:28:20,520
the kind of legislation I would say was probably like a 51% had barely enough to get it

873
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:25,920
passed, and it probably needed a little bit more time in the oven, so to speak, because

874
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:29,220
they turned people that might have been in favor of it against it now.

875
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:34,620
So I'm not going to say they're going to have to start over, but it's a lesson learned.

876
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,100
A worthy goal, maybe not a worthy method.

877
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:42,760
And so we've got so many different jurisdictions doing it slightly different, but there's

878
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,460
not enough data right now to see how it's being used, so people get frustrated like, well,

879
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,340
nobody's using it.

880
01:28:47,340 --> 01:28:56,480
Well, that could be a market force, the cost of building is even a small addition to your house is really expensive.

881
01:28:56,660 --> 01:28:59,260
So people may be making that market adjustment.

882
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:07,100
So if you have Greenfield development with higher density or redevelopment taking down single families on the edges,

883
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:12,020
but the end of doesn't really have a lot of those options right now, other jurisdictions might.

884
01:29:12,900 --> 01:29:16,420
So I don't know what we're going to see in terms of mandatory legislation.

885
01:29:16,420 --> 01:29:23,660
They're going to maybe see something that says in your zoning ordinance, you're required to have X percentage of multi-use.

886
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,780
I mean, we might start seeing that. I'm sorry, multi-family. We might start seeing that.

887
01:29:28,420 --> 01:29:37,200
Right. Just a thought, yeah. So that's why I'm thinking, that's why I would say we keep one and two as is.

888
01:29:37,540 --> 01:29:44,380
I mean, we've done that in the last couple of years. We've got some other really important ones too that could get up there.

889
01:29:44,380 --> 01:29:50,080
But I'm just thinking maybe trees kind of take us going to go down the list and we bring some of these others up

890
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:54,160
We might get more traction with this. Well, I think you have to make this decision leave on leave off

891
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:59,240
Right you could have a hundred if you want you could have five. Yeah, but then the ranking

892
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:28,620
We've used different formulas, which is fine. We'll figure out a way for you all to score them. But, you know, I think we just need to keep, I do want to keep moving on this because you all are meeting with, you know, our senator and delegate on November 10th. No, October, October 20th. Why is it on here? Oh, I'm sorry, public hearing. I'm sorry. Yeah. So then October.

893
01:30:33,850 --> 01:30:38,930
Yeah, here it is. Yeah, October 20th. So if you could, if you have a pretty good idea

894
01:30:38,930 --> 01:30:42,770
after that, how you want to rank them, I mean, if you're ready to rank them, right?

895
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:42,990
Okay.

896
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:48,390
We can have that ready. I mean, we need to have a pretty good ranking for the public hearing

897
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:55,050
that gives you more than two weeks. And then do any final tweaks before we get them to

898
01:30:55,050 --> 01:30:55,130
you.

899
01:30:55,390 --> 01:30:55,970
Yeah, final tweaks.

900
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:56,450
Okay.

901
01:30:56,450 --> 01:31:02,150
After we talk to our sender delegate maybe okay get you those by

902
01:31:04,010 --> 01:31:05,490
And would you like them?

903
01:31:07,790 --> 01:31:09,070
Well, I think I can

904
01:31:10,330 --> 01:31:15,490
I'll put it in a new format I what I always started is what we did last year and I add on anything additional

905
01:31:15,490 --> 01:31:20,750
So we've got four add-ons now yeah, um, you know, there was a general add-on about a specific

906
01:31:21,610 --> 01:31:25,550
Request so maybe if council Anderson and maybe our economic development

907
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:30,910
Director can get together and maybe come up with something that they want to do a specific

908
01:31:30,910 --> 01:31:37,350
ask that we'll put maybe our couple and then that's you guys will have an updated list

909
01:31:37,770 --> 01:31:39,470
for some specific requests.

910
01:31:39,810 --> 01:31:39,870
Okay.

911
01:31:40,110 --> 01:31:41,170
And that'll make it 24.

912
01:31:41,730 --> 01:31:41,910
Okay.

913
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:42,210
Okay.

914
01:31:42,290 --> 01:31:42,410
Right.

915
01:31:42,590 --> 01:31:43,970
So we don't have the updated list yet.

916
01:31:44,190 --> 01:31:44,690
So they can.

917
01:31:44,710 --> 01:31:45,090
I can tweak the language.

918
01:31:45,130 --> 01:31:46,870
I'll use track changes and tweak the language.

919
01:31:47,150 --> 01:31:47,410
Okay.

920
01:31:47,550 --> 01:31:48,310
So this isn't with your comments.

921
01:31:49,530 --> 01:31:52,630
And I've got the I've already pulled some of the vaping updates.

922
01:31:52,630 --> 01:31:54,850
What I'll do is I'll put a comment next to six.

923
01:31:54,850 --> 01:31:58,670
in response to what was exactly passed.

924
01:31:59,250 --> 01:32:00,010
There were some definitions

925
01:32:00,010 --> 01:32:01,630
and they fixed the loophole about,

926
01:32:02,170 --> 01:32:03,070
it was a weird thing.

927
01:32:03,210 --> 01:32:04,250
They didn't intend to do it,

928
01:32:04,330 --> 01:32:08,570
but you can't buy vaping products if you're under 21.

929
01:32:09,210 --> 01:32:10,270
Mm-hmm, okay.

930
01:32:10,490 --> 01:32:12,410
Yeah, they tweak that and then they,

931
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:14,570
so that was a easy fix.

932
01:32:15,790 --> 01:32:16,850
But so I'll give you those,

933
01:32:17,210 --> 01:32:19,470
so you'll have an idea of what we need to do

934
01:32:19,470 --> 01:32:21,630
and then they help you rate your ranking.

935
01:32:21,630 --> 01:32:28,710
All right. Jessica, I was just going to also note that we had, I think in the discussion

936
01:32:28,710 --> 01:32:35,090
talked about combining the two vaping items into one, which I think could maybe

937
01:32:35,090 --> 01:32:37,410
be helpful for the ranking two.

938
01:32:37,410 --> 01:32:38,570
What were the two vaping?

939
01:32:38,910 --> 01:32:39,550
The ones that-

940
01:32:39,550 --> 01:32:41,630
One is taxation and one is local control.

941
01:32:41,670 --> 01:32:42,250
Oh, right.

942
01:32:42,870 --> 01:32:42,970
Yeah.

943
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:45,670
So the-

944
01:32:45,670 --> 01:32:47,430
Like the regulation of vaping in general.

945
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:51,230
What's the counter, Steve, do you have a thought on that?

946
01:32:51,230 --> 01:32:53,690
Is that combining those, the vaping?

947
01:32:54,390 --> 01:33:01,850
Well, six was really about, you know, the packaging and, you know, regulation was some of that did pass.

948
01:33:02,370 --> 01:33:05,250
You know, the locations, how close to schools, that's already in there.

949
01:33:05,750 --> 01:33:13,990
And then the taxing authority, you know, is kind of added on because, you know, we're losing sales, tobacco sales.

950
01:33:14,130 --> 01:33:17,510
I think the director of finance thought that up and that's why I got it added on.

951
01:33:17,970 --> 01:33:19,050
I think that's where that came.

952
01:33:19,050 --> 01:33:22,750
I think Marion's surface came up with that maybe two years ago.

953
01:33:23,190 --> 01:33:26,310
But you could combine with six.

954
01:33:26,690 --> 01:33:26,890
Okay,

955
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:29,580
chat.

956
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,180
Yeah, so I know I came up with a lot of ideas.

957
01:33:34,580 --> 01:33:40,300
I'm wondering if I can have to seal the Friday to sort of provide you with potential drafts.

958
01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:45,300
One of which would be a combined, the town's concerned about vaping and

959
01:33:45,300 --> 01:33:53,300
wants to do the following, increase regulation and be, have the authority to tax something

960
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:54,020
along like that.

961
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:54,220
Yeah.

962
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:55,620
I think just work with Steve.

963
01:33:55,860 --> 01:33:57,240
I think, you know, and then have Steve.

964
01:33:57,420 --> 01:33:59,140
You know, I don't think you need to say to us.

965
01:33:59,580 --> 01:33:59,740
No.

966
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:00,460
It's for me.

967
01:34:00,900 --> 01:34:01,460
So I do it.

968
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:01,800
Okay.

969
01:34:01,980 --> 01:34:02,220
Yeah.

970
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,320
So if you make your own deadline, see you'll be Friday then I'll get it done.

971
01:34:06,500 --> 01:34:06,640
Yeah.

972
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:12,240
Then maybe I think by next week, if we can get those and get them ranked, does that make

973
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:12,660
sense?

974
01:34:12,660 --> 01:34:19,160
And then we can get them already for October 20th, okay.

975
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:20,920
Okay, town manager.

976
01:34:21,900 --> 01:34:25,840
Yes, Madam Mayor, members of town council, I had a thought about the ranking.

977
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:34,500
I, whether it's next week or October 1st or something in between, I think it may be

978
01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:39,920
more, most efficient for the October 20th work session with the delegate and the senator

979
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:48,240
to have already your preferred list so that they know what it is, and then they can let

980
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:54,640
you all know what will fly or what won't, and then you can re-rank it again in advance

981
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,760
of the November 10th public hearing, that's right, perfect, yes.

982
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:15,100
Okay, okay, are we ready, old Rae. Comment if we can get down to 10 and have other so that we can focus but I just absolutely. Yeah,

983
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:31,400
I was. I'm not clear exactly on the procedure here. What should we each of us individually have. I don't think we haven't. I think that Chuck's going to work on some things. Send them to town attorney.

984
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:37,960
And then we're going to email from town tourney and then we will rank.

985
01:35:38,660 --> 01:35:43,660
At that point, we'll meet with, after we've ranked, we'll meet with our delegate and

986
01:35:43,660 --> 01:35:48,660
Senator, and then we may decide to re-rank after our discussion with them.

987
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,940
Maybe we might tweak or something.

988
01:35:51,740 --> 01:35:56,900
But just keep in mind our conversations tonight and yeah, that's good.

989
01:35:58,220 --> 01:36:02,420
I'll come up with some kind of system that's a little easier on you.

990
01:36:02,580 --> 01:36:06,500
We've been using this couple versions over the years.

991
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:10,140
Let me see if I can come up with a way that's a little simpler for you all to do.

992
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:11,240
Thank you.

993
01:36:12,500 --> 01:36:18,960
Well, and it's not individually you all do it, and then it's the assembling that is difficult.

994
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:20,160
It's not on a spreadsheet.

995
01:36:20,820 --> 01:36:20,900
Okay.

996
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:21,700
Okay.

997
01:36:22,020 --> 01:36:22,500
Thank you.

998
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:22,720
All right.

999
01:36:22,780 --> 01:36:23,800
Let's take a five minute break.

1000
01:36:32,530 --> 01:36:35,910
Okay, we are back and we are on item number two.

1001
01:36:36,190 --> 01:36:43,510
We're going to look at the capital improvement plan fiscal year's 2026 to 2042, who's a long time from now.

1002
01:36:43,930 --> 01:36:49,430
And we have director of finance with us, Steven Barlow, and I know the town manager would like to say something.

1003
01:36:50,010 --> 01:36:57,090
Yes, Madam Mayor, members of the town council, Steven Barlow is going to give a brief intro to this discussion.

1004
01:36:57,790 --> 01:36:59,190
Just to kind of give the council.

1005
01:36:59,190 --> 01:37:06,490
I think maybe it's just that the the speakers are not to not allow for the room.

1006
01:37:06,590 --> 01:37:08,610
I wonder if it's possible to turn them up a little bit.

1007
01:37:09,210 --> 01:37:11,250
Okay, I really haven't trouble hearing you enough.

1008
01:37:11,410 --> 01:37:14,010
I'm having trouble, I'm sure the members of the audience are having trouble.

1009
01:37:14,130 --> 01:37:14,730
Okay, I'll turn this way, too.

1010
01:37:16,210 --> 01:37:23,550
Okay, Madam Mayor, members of the town council, Stephen Barlow is going to give an intro to this discussion on the CIP.

1011
01:37:23,550 --> 01:37:31,230
and just so the council, I guess, understands what the process will be for this discussion.

1012
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:36,930
We're not going to have a presentation on every single item up through 2042.

1013
01:37:38,910 --> 01:37:45,010
The directors will react to particular projects that you all have interest in.

1014
01:37:45,650 --> 01:37:51,710
And the directors are not going to use this time to try to persuade necessarily on any particular project.

1015
01:37:51,710 --> 01:37:57,590
But the CIP fits with the revenues that are projected.

1016
01:37:57,930 --> 01:38:03,830
And so we feel good about all the projects, but we certainly will be able to provide detailed

1017
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:08,970
explanation of any project that you will have and interest in and the merits of all the

1018
01:38:08,970 --> 01:38:09,370
projects.

1019
01:38:09,870 --> 01:38:10,930
So Stephen will begin.

1020
01:38:12,110 --> 01:38:12,690
All right.

1021
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:13,030
Good evening.

1022
01:38:13,390 --> 01:38:13,710
Can you hear me?

1023
01:38:14,310 --> 01:38:14,490
All right.

1024
01:38:14,530 --> 01:38:14,610
Good.

1025
01:38:14,910 --> 01:38:18,530
So I had a PowerPoint plan, but I think we're having some IT issues here.

1026
01:38:18,530 --> 01:38:23,170
So what I'm going to do is essentially go through the first five pages of the CIP document here.

1027
01:38:23,770 --> 01:38:28,230
That's what my PowerPoint was just in bullet point form, but the first five pages of the CIP document

1028
01:38:28,230 --> 01:38:29,830
are the most important.

1029
01:38:30,170 --> 01:38:32,950
And those five pages in Don if you could go down a little bit.

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01:38:33,650 --> 01:38:39,730
Explain what the CIP is, how it's funded, the purpose and value, the process and development,

1031
01:38:40,570 --> 01:38:44,890
inputs and constraints, the assumptions used to build the debt service model,

1032
01:38:46,170 --> 01:38:48,110
and then next steps essentially.

1033
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:50,010
So what is the CIP?

1034
01:38:50,770 --> 01:38:52,650
It's a long range planning document

1035
01:38:52,650 --> 01:38:55,290
that identifies and prioritizes major infrastructure

1036
01:38:55,290 --> 01:38:56,330
in capital projects.

1037
01:38:57,150 --> 01:38:59,050
It typically covers a 15 to 20 year period.

1038
01:38:59,290 --> 01:39:03,930
For us, it's going to be 2026 to 2042, and it's updated annually.

1039
01:39:04,410 --> 01:39:06,610
So although we only borrow every two years,

1040
01:39:06,910 --> 01:39:08,650
the CIP is updated on an annual basis.

1041
01:39:09,610 --> 01:39:12,330
It focuses on large non-recurring investments

1042
01:39:12,330 --> 01:39:16,650
in such as our roads, water and sewer projects, facilities and parks.

1043
01:39:17,850 --> 01:39:22,370
The CIP is funded through the issuance of general obligation debt for bonds.

1044
01:39:23,190 --> 01:39:28,890
These bonds are paid back via meals tax revenue, water and sewer fees, other funding sources

1045
01:39:28,890 --> 01:39:34,370
such as NVTA and V.O. grants, or outside partnerships.

1046
01:39:34,370 --> 01:39:43,590
The purpose and value is to ensure that strategic long-term planning is done compared to year-to-year reactions.

1047
01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:46,950
It aligns capital spending with council priorities.

1048
01:39:47,950 --> 01:39:51,950
It also provides transparency to the public and stability to staff and contractors.

1049
01:39:53,710 --> 01:39:55,730
As far as the process and development

1050
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,980
In May, department heads submit their project requests to finance. Finance cleans it up, we then meet with the budget committee which is department heads throughout the town. We reviewed the project request for feasibility, cost and timing. The budget committee ranks these projects based on public safety, asset preservation, community benefit, strategic alignment, and funding availability. Once the budget committee ranks those projects, a draft CIP is submitted to

1051
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:31,380
to town council, and that's where we are tonight,

1052
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,580
for council to not only review the CIP,

1053
01:40:34,780 --> 01:40:36,120
but to provide feedback to staff.

1054
01:40:41,610 --> 01:40:42,830
As far as inputs and constraints

1055
01:40:42,830 --> 01:40:43,950
for that service model,

1056
01:40:44,690 --> 01:40:46,070
we look at our revenue projections,

1057
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:48,710
that's the most important for meals tax.

1058
01:40:50,790 --> 01:40:52,070
The meals tax funds,

1059
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:54,850
most of the projects that you'll see in the CIP tonight.

1060
01:40:55,690 --> 01:40:57,150
If it's not meals tax funded,

1061
01:40:57,930 --> 01:40:59,910
it's funded by water and sewer fees,

1062
01:40:59,910 --> 01:41:02,910
which is clearly outlined as water and sewer infrastructure projects,

1063
01:41:02,910 --> 01:41:07,730
projects, or other funding projects such as NVTA or ETA projects, or potential partnerships

1064
01:41:07,730 --> 01:41:10,150
like the advance agreement with Navy Federal.

1065
01:41:12,510 --> 01:41:17,090
Other inputs and constraints that are considered as the town's legal debt capacity, which

1066
01:41:17,090 --> 01:41:21,250
were well under, and project readiness and staffing capacity.

1067
01:41:25,580 --> 01:41:31,740
As far as our assumptions used for the debt service model, we are assuming a 4% meal's

1068
01:41:31,740 --> 01:41:34,360
tax rate effective January 1st.

1069
01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:42,500
We are assuming a meal tax growth rate of 3.75% a year, which is well under our 10 to 15-year average.

1070
01:41:43,900 --> 01:41:49,180
Recently, we've been seeing the meal tax growth, our meal tax month-over-month growth in the 6 to 7% range.

1071
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:56,040
Folks are still eating out, so we have a very conservative meal tax growth rate number here, 3.75%.

1072
01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:01,280
We factor in our beginning cash balance in the debt service fund, which is 6.1 million.

1073
01:42:02,180 --> 01:42:03,660
We factor in the interest earned

1074
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:06,460
on that cache, which is 3% annually.

1075
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,200
We also factor in the upcoming bonds,

1076
01:42:10,420 --> 01:42:14,180
2026 through 2042, and the assumed borrowing rates

1077
01:42:14,180 --> 01:42:18,340
for those bonds, which are anywhere from 4% to 4.75%,

1078
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:21,900
which is also conservative based on our AAA bond rating.

1079
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:26,400
So with all those assumptions included,

1080
01:42:26,660 --> 01:42:29,320
we can build out a model for our debt service model

1081
01:42:29,320 --> 01:42:30,320
which you see at the bottom there.

1082
01:42:31,260 --> 01:42:33,420
And based on our projects moving forward,

1083
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:39,780
The line there is the cash balance in the debt service model.

1084
01:42:40,340 --> 01:42:43,540
It just seems the revenues and the debt service each year.

1085
01:42:44,440 --> 01:42:49,000
So in the early years, based on our proposed projects,

1086
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:52,980
our cash balance is going to grow in the early years.

1087
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:56,360
But in the middle to out years, 20, 28, 20, 30,

1088
01:42:56,580 --> 01:43:00,240
we expect some larger debt issues related to the Aquatics and Fitness Center.

1089
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:05,560
That's when we start to draw down on our cash balance over time and pay back those bonds over a 20-year period.

1090
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:13,810
And then outside of that, I did have a PowerPoint and I had new projects added.

1091
01:43:14,150 --> 01:43:20,150
So we will send those to council, it clearly states the new projects that were added into the CIP from the last adopted version.

1092
01:43:21,450 --> 01:43:29,310
And then it also says next steps which is outside of this work session, next steps is the adoption in October, October 27th, I believe.

1093
01:43:30,270 --> 01:43:34,390
With that, this is really your time to ask questions to me or other department heads on

1094
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:38,130
the projects that are included in the CIP or anything else.

1095
01:43:38,850 --> 01:43:39,330
Okay.

1096
01:43:39,770 --> 01:43:40,270
Thank you.

1097
01:43:40,530 --> 01:43:41,090
Thank you, Director.

1098
01:43:41,530 --> 01:43:41,950
Tell me, Inter.

1099
01:43:42,610 --> 01:43:43,050
Yes.

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01:43:43,170 --> 01:43:48,510
Madam Mayor, members of the town council, we've worked with the town attorney regarding any

1101
01:43:49,230 --> 01:43:54,170
camper projects that may have a safety of liability issues and none of the projects have

1102
01:43:54,170 --> 01:43:57,290
any liability issues that will give exposure to the town.

1103
01:43:57,850 --> 01:44:07,050
Okay. Thank you for letting us know that. Okay. So, um, let's go through Council. Who would like to start first? Um, Ray, do you want to start first?

1104
01:44:10,690 --> 01:44:18,970
Mayor and town council, I just want to say to Steven Barlow and your staff and I want to make sure you pass us on to your staff.

1105
01:44:18,970 --> 01:44:30,870
have. This is an exceptional report. You are succinct. You're clearly worded. And I

1106
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:35,630
really appreciate the appendix where you have a summary. You have the funding needed

1107
01:44:35,630 --> 01:44:41,670
in the year it's needed and pictures to show why it's needed. It's one of the finest

1108
01:44:41,670 --> 01:44:47,750
reports I've personally received. And it's a model for everyone to follow in terms not

1109
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:50,170
Do you use the same words, but the same process?

1110
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:54,570
So right now I'm going to refrain from asking any questions

1111
01:44:54,570 --> 01:44:55,710
but some of the others.

1112
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:59,110
But I think that you have answered many questions

1113
01:44:59,110 --> 01:44:59,810
by the clear.

1114
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,520
Thank you, what you presented the material.

1115
01:45:04,210 --> 01:45:11,950
Okay, thank you, Ray. Roy, are you ready? Yes, first of all, on page

1116
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:20,300
5 ongoing projects.

1117
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:34,340
About 1.5 of the way down, you have available premium and contingency at June 30th of this year. 1 million forward in 82,000.

1118
01:45:34,700 --> 01:45:41,560
That seems high to me, isn't it most years, it's like 600,000 or so?

1119
01:45:44,110 --> 01:45:51,750
So on page 5, the ongoing projects listing is the 2022 and 2024 bond issuance combined.

1120
01:45:52,710 --> 01:46:03,250
So we did have 700,000 each of those bond years in combination, but to the far right you see the remaining balance of 18,000, so that contingency has been spent.

1121
01:46:03,250 --> 01:46:14,530
All right. On page 9, about one-third of the way down, there's a figure for in-car slash body

1122
01:46:14,530 --> 01:46:23,290
one cameras for police that at $72,000. Isn't that part of the RFID grant?

1123
01:46:25,790 --> 01:46:31,170
Yes, it is, but our RFID funds are basically spent at this point, and if they're not,

1124
01:46:31,170 --> 01:46:34,010
not, they need to be spent by December 2026.

1125
01:46:34,770 --> 01:46:44,590
So what we're counting for here and what Chief can also speak to is essentially the continued funding of the body-worn cameras past ARPA.

1126
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:47,610
So we need to find another funding source for these body camps.

1127
01:46:48,530 --> 01:46:48,970
Okay.

1128
01:46:49,850 --> 01:46:53,230
Yeah, exactly, Stephen did it now on ahead.

1129
01:46:53,310 --> 01:46:58,890
We were able to fund it through 26, this is actually going to be 27's funding of those programs.

1130
01:46:58,890 --> 01:47:03,530
And then as we discussed it in the budget committee, we discussed, we really don't want that in the CIP.

1131
01:47:03,970 --> 01:47:07,530
We kind of want that in the operating costs, so we'll find a way to get in the operating cost.

1132
01:47:07,950 --> 01:47:11,930
But this would get through 27 for the funding of both programs.

1133
01:47:12,610 --> 01:47:13,450
All right, thank you.

1134
01:47:13,610 --> 01:47:22,370
Now on page 10, the second item, property acquisition for tourism of $4 million.

1135
01:47:23,910 --> 01:47:30,970
My understanding was that we were going to be the beneficiaries of a grant in that amount.

1136
01:47:33,680 --> 01:47:37,720
So, and Nicole's Director of Economic Development is coming up as well.

1137
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:41,640
We did apply for a grant, and Nicole, you want to expand on that?

1138
01:47:44,240 --> 01:47:44,780
Hey, yes.

1139
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:55,480
So we had applied for a grant with Congress, and it was not included in the most recent appropriation bill.

1140
01:47:55,480 --> 01:48:24,960
We do have $1 million which is reflected in the CIP other funding column, but the remaining $4 million would need to be funded through the town or other sources as Councilmember Anderson has indicated, but I will note that you would need to include it in the CIP to have the option to move forward probably because then if you didn't get the state funds, then you wouldn't be able to move forward with the project.

1141
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:38,880
In fact, if you did get state funds or other sources of funding, you would be able to go back in the future year CIP to reallocate those funds, but you would need to appropriate it to move forward with this project.

1142
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:41,280
You can also, sorry.

1143
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:52,660
That being the case, I would, I'm sure I'm not suggesting something that you haven't already thought of, but it was seen to me that this 4 million plus the next amount for

1144
01:48:52,660 --> 01:49:08,080
or the 3,200, I'm sorry, 3.2 million for a town hall interior renovation might be projects that we could approach our state representatives for possible funding by the general assembly.

1145
01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:13,860
If the other funding just doesn't follow through.

1146
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:24,200
I think it's possible, I think there is an element of an option agreement here so there is a timing constraint, that's one of the issues too.

1147
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:33,300
We don't have time to really wait around for outside funding opportunity, it's either we take this opportunity now, or you know, we let it pass.

1148
01:49:34,100 --> 01:49:34,960
So I think that is an element.

1149
01:49:36,340 --> 01:49:46,040
Yes, Madam Mayor, members of the town council, regarding the two projects mentioned the acquisition for the tourism.

1150
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:58,540
So I do have a thought that it could be eligible for general assembly consideration, quite possibly.

1151
01:49:58,540 --> 01:49:59,980
However, the town...

1152
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:10,420
A hall renovation, 3,200,000, I'm not sure that that would be something that the general assembly would strongly consider.

1153
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:20,340
That's just, I just have, I don't think I've seen that in my career where the general assembly would fund that.

1154
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:29,580
But I would think that the acquisition for the tourism piece would probably be strongly considered as my guess.

1155
01:50:30,580 --> 01:50:37,220
Although it would be considered, you would not be able to count on it in time for you to make this decision.

1156
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:41,000
Yeah. And by the way, when do we have to make the decision on that?

1157
01:50:41,420 --> 01:50:47,560
So the decision on actually closing on the property is two years from April of this year.

1158
01:50:47,780 --> 01:50:57,220
And so you will still come to a vote after public feedback and after diligence on the actual building itself is completed.

1159
01:50:57,220 --> 01:51:04,540
So you will have that two-year diligence period to actually discuss and vote on the closing

1160
01:51:04,540 --> 01:51:05,400
on that property.

1161
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:11,480
What you do need to decide on in the CIP is whether or not you would like to fund the

1162
01:51:11,480 --> 01:51:12,860
acquisition of that or not.

1163
01:51:13,100 --> 01:51:17,500
And so that obviously the timing is a little bit different.

1164
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:25,820
But you in order for us to close in that time frame, you would need to pass that CIP item

1165
01:51:25,820 --> 01:51:27,940
now because we operate on a two-year CIP.

1166
01:51:34,540 --> 01:51:34,700
All right.

1167
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:40,600
I want to also take advantage of my microphone time here by asking a general question.

1168
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:50,460
As far as vehicle replacement, my question is why not put vehicle replacement under the

1169
01:51:50,460 --> 01:51:54,540
CIP so that it's financed by bonds rather than by the general fund?

1170
01:51:54,540 --> 01:51:54,580
And

1171
01:51:57,010 --> 01:51:58,610
it's something you could do.

1172
01:52:00,690 --> 01:52:04,690
Obviously we have limited funding sources already for the CIP.

1173
01:52:05,170 --> 01:52:08,770
The primary source is the Meals Tax Revenue, which already limits us on our CIP.

1174
01:52:09,230 --> 01:52:11,970
A lot of other localities use general funds to fund their CIP.

1175
01:52:12,850 --> 01:52:19,610
We could certainly build it in and use Meals Tax Revenue for vehicle replacements, but

1176
01:52:19,610 --> 01:52:20,610
I wouldn't recommend it.

1177
01:52:20,670 --> 01:52:25,470
And it wouldn't really fit into a GO bond, it would fit into something else because vehicles

1178
01:52:25,470 --> 01:52:31,910
vehicles have a shorter lifespan than these long-term infrastructure projects and facility projects.

1179
01:52:32,250 --> 01:52:37,610
So, you know, you could certainly use other sources of revenue to pay for vehicles.

1180
01:52:38,270 --> 01:52:41,690
But it wouldn't fit necessarily into the CIP per se.

1181
01:52:41,970 --> 01:52:42,310
Okay.

1182
01:52:42,810 --> 01:52:43,150
Thanks.

1183
01:52:44,770 --> 01:52:45,310
Okay.

1184
01:52:45,690 --> 01:52:46,470
Is that it, Roy?

1185
01:52:46,970 --> 01:52:47,030
Yeah.

1186
01:52:47,110 --> 01:52:47,390
Okay.

1187
01:52:47,530 --> 01:52:47,810
Thank you.

1188
01:52:47,930 --> 01:52:48,110
Okay.

1189
01:52:48,590 --> 01:52:49,550
Chuck, do you want to go?

1190
01:52:51,130 --> 01:52:59,810
I'll be brief, my understanding is that this is our initial review to give us an idea of how

1191
01:52:59,810 --> 01:53:11,370
you see basically the revenues coming in from the mail's tax and possible expenditures that it

1192
01:53:11,370 --> 01:53:18,110
could be applied to so that you can get ready to go out to the bond market early next year to get the

1193
01:53:18,110 --> 01:53:22,650
funding that would then provide us with the money to do these things.

1194
01:53:22,970 --> 01:53:24,670
And that's what we're here for right now.

1195
01:53:25,250 --> 01:53:29,370
What we're not here for right now is to decide on specific projects.

1196
01:53:29,670 --> 01:53:35,050
And I just want to make that clear for the public, this in no way is committing us to any specific project.

1197
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:43,910
It's essentially a budgeting exercise so that Mr. Barlow can go to the bond wizards and say, this is why we need the money.

1198
01:53:48,110 --> 01:53:53,970
So in that regard, I am not going to make any comments on any particular projects.

1199
01:53:55,030 --> 01:54:01,710
None of these projects would ever come to realization until almost certainly the following

1200
01:54:01,710 --> 01:54:06,310
council when they would have to be voted separately in terms of appropriating money.

1201
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:11,150
I have no problems with how it's set out.

1202
01:54:11,690 --> 01:54:21,110
The one request I would make before we do a vote on this is that there was a figure

1203
01:54:21,110 --> 01:54:32,590
in the final version of the Parks Master Plan on page 102, I found it finally, indicating

1204
01:54:32,590 --> 01:54:41,330
creating a 10-year need of $24.4 million for CIP funds based on their needs of takeaways

1205
01:54:41,330 --> 01:54:46,390
without the aquatic center, and I just want to see what the backup for that is.

1206
01:54:47,470 --> 01:54:48,630
And I don't need to see it tonight.

1207
01:54:49,030 --> 01:54:50,890
Just put that request out there.

1208
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:54,180
Were you prepped on this question?

1209
01:54:54,860 --> 01:54:55,420
Someone.

1210
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:56,060
Okay.

1211
01:54:56,060 --> 01:54:56,440
Yes,

1212
01:54:58,660 --> 01:54:59,980
so thank you for your question.

1213
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,980
Question, Leslie Herman, parks and rec. The, I reached out to David Samba with Kim Lee Horan to get the detail for that. Currently, what was because they used the 2023 CIP to project the numbers. Only about 6.8 million was towards parks projects. So there was a difference of, was that 13 million, no, 13, 18 million. So I'm going to find out from

1214
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:33,420
David and I will respond to you by email and share it with all the council.

1215
01:55:33,980 --> 01:55:34,240
Thank you.

1216
01:55:37,610 --> 01:55:38,850
Okay. Anything else?

1217
01:55:39,950 --> 01:55:41,070
Check anything else?

1218
01:55:41,670 --> 01:55:42,750
Okay. All right, Jessica.

1219
01:55:45,420 --> 01:55:46,160
Thank you.

1220
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:51,560
I have a few things that I'd like to highlight and talk about.

1221
01:55:52,700 --> 01:55:56,320
So I think one, just in terms of the timeline and what projects are

1222
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:59,580
are slated to come earlier. I'm really glad about the

1223
01:56:08,590 --> 01:56:18,470
I also know the report mentions the draft plan mentions that there are a lot of drainage

1224
01:56:18,470 --> 01:56:22,970
issues there and so the work would help to resolve that.

1225
01:56:23,110 --> 01:56:23,990
I think that's important.

1226
01:56:24,710 --> 01:56:30,730
I also appreciate that Kathy Field is there, similarly with drainage issues.

1227
01:56:30,730 --> 01:56:38,890
I was wondering if there had been discussion, because I know one of the items here is the replacement of the turf on water's field.

1228
01:56:39,670 --> 01:56:45,270
Has it been discussed at the possibility of making coffee fields turf?

1229
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:47,170
Has that been talked about?

1230
01:56:50,180 --> 01:56:55,140
And I'll just say by way of transition to talking a little bit more about this,

1231
01:56:56,560 --> 01:57:00,040
that fields that have turf, of course, can also host tournaments.

1232
01:57:00,380 --> 01:57:03,100
They can be something that could generate revenues.

1233
01:57:03,460 --> 01:57:06,820
So I'll just be interested to hear if that has been explored.

1234
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:11,720
Thank you for your question.

1235
01:57:12,340 --> 01:57:18,460
So we did approach VDSL via an agriol softball league years ago about that, turfing.

1236
01:57:18,700 --> 01:57:20,440
And they do not want turf fields.

1237
01:57:21,880 --> 01:57:24,140
So that kind of put a stop to that.

1238
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:25,020
And thank you.

1239
01:57:25,020 --> 01:57:32,420
So what you said years ago was that I just wonder if I haven't spoken with VGS all about it,

1240
01:57:32,420 --> 01:57:36,280
but I just wonder if there have been recent conversations or if it's something just that was.

1241
01:57:36,540 --> 01:57:38,140
There have not been any recent conversations.

1242
01:57:40,220 --> 01:57:40,700
There

1243
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:49,520
are other projects that they like to work on, which we've identified in the CIP and they've

1244
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:54,620
also been willing to fund some of those, but they've also in the past years contributed a significant

1245
01:57:54,620 --> 01:57:56,360
amount to improving the infields.

1246
01:57:56,360 --> 01:57:57,200
Yes.

1247
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:58,140
I appreciate that.

1248
01:57:58,260 --> 01:57:58,600
Thank you.

1249
01:57:58,980 --> 01:58:00,280
Thank you very much, Director Herman.

1250
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:07,160
I think a few other projects that I would just, oh, well, I guess one theme that I would

1251
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:12,880
raise is just I know as we talked about the capital improvement plan and the resources for

1252
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:13,160
it.

1253
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:19,720
As you've talked about, Director Barlow, just how much of what the resources are that support

1254
01:58:19,720 --> 01:58:26,280
these projects come from the Meals Tax and from our restaurants and from those in

1255
01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:30,980
the greater organic community who come to enjoy it, we have a Vienna. So I'm very interested

1256
01:58:30,980 --> 01:58:37,940
in what we can be doing to incorporate thinking with intention about a strategy of how these

1257
01:58:37,940 --> 01:58:45,520
uses funds in the CIP can support our business community. I know we received some ideas and

1258
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:52,660
feedback from the town business liaison committee. I know they are interested in the acquisition

1259
01:58:52,660 --> 01:58:58,660
of the property that we've talked about. So I do have questions about that. There are also

1260
01:58:58,660 --> 01:59:05,860
other items that they've raised just that including the streakscape improvements and wanting

1261
01:59:05,860 --> 01:59:11,560
to concentrate those so that they could have a greater impact, which I thought was a really

1262
01:59:12,070 --> 01:59:18,700
good interesting idea. They also express support for a facade and property interior improvement

1263
01:59:18,700 --> 01:59:25,320
program so a way to have again some intention around cultivating spaces in a way that is

1264
01:59:25,320 --> 01:59:32,440
attractive and reinforces what a lovely place Vienna is to enjoy dining out and just being

1265
01:59:32,440 --> 01:59:39,100
out on the town. So I would love to hear your thoughts on what we heard from the town business

1266
01:59:39,100 --> 01:59:48,540
liaison committee. So this is posted on Tuesday and TBLC met on Thursday and so one of their

1267
01:59:48,540 --> 01:59:54,060
topics of discussion was how can we make sure that we are representing the business community

1268
01:59:54,060 --> 01:59:57,980
to council and one of the things that they had heard during the conversation about

1269
01:59:57,980 --> 01:59:59,960
emails tax from you all was you

1270
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,840
I wanted to hear from them the business community about how you can best support the business community. And so they went through this list that you all had and identified economic development related items that were shown there. They had noticed that the street scape was pushed back and I think that some of that was something that they were excited about. So they had identified that item. They were excited about that acquisition.

1271
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:35,620
of the property as it kind of opens up that church street area, as a destination right now,

1272
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:40,600
it looks kind of like a dead zone when you look towards church street and mostly because of that

1273
02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:46,980
lighted building. And so they see that as an opportunity to bring people into the town and start

1274
02:00:46,980 --> 02:00:54,220
shopping and going that way. And so they were supportive of those two items and they had just made a

1275
02:00:54,220 --> 02:01:00,440
general comment that they didn't and you know a lot of our infrastructure is you know roads and

1276
02:01:00,440 --> 02:01:04,520
things of that nature so there's not inherently a lot of economic development projects that will be

1277
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:11,360
on here but just made a comment that there was kind of not very many and asked if we were able to put

1278
02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:17,680
some of their requests that were in operational budget into capital projects and so that was something

1279
02:01:17,680 --> 02:01:23,400
that they had explored, and that was one of the things that they had talked about.

1280
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:28,560
It was that facade improvement program that was in the operating request.

1281
02:01:29,320 --> 02:01:30,100
Thank you.

1282
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:38,380
So I'd like to see us further consider the thoughts from the town business liaison committee as we work to finalize this.

1283
02:01:38,460 --> 02:01:41,260
I think that's really important, valuable feedback.

1284
02:01:41,260 --> 02:01:47,260
I think, as we think about the vibrancy of Vienna to me, the businesses that we have in town,

1285
02:01:47,460 --> 02:01:51,840
especially the small independent businesses are such a part of the character of our town.

1286
02:01:52,420 --> 02:01:57,540
And I feel like a lot of discussion that we've heard recently is about what we can be doing

1287
02:01:57,540 --> 02:02:02,900
as a town to be transparent about our budget, talk about where our resources go, and then

1288
02:02:02,900 --> 02:02:08,240
also to really think strategically about how we can support our businesses.

1289
02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:14,640
So, I really would like us to do that with some intention as we work to finalize the CIP.

1290
02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:23,000
I'd also, on the property acquisition piece, I do think it has a lot of potential, and

1291
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:24,740
I'm really interested in the prospect.

1292
02:02:25,240 --> 02:02:30,520
I think a question I had, and I know this has been discussed some already, is if we put

1293
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:38,560
But $4 million in our capital improvement plan as a commitment or not even a commitment,

1294
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:43,480
but as a signal that this is something that we could take the option on later, would

1295
02:02:43,480 --> 02:02:49,020
we be compromising a position of where we could seek funding elsewhere?

1296
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:54,820
If we've already made the decision to dedicate town resources to it, I would like to see the

1297
02:02:54,820 --> 02:02:59,880
project continue to be explored for us to work on it and get the public input that we've

1298
02:02:59,880 --> 02:03:05,060
talked about and I appreciate what you're saying about two years, April and two years

1299
02:03:05,060 --> 02:03:09,560
being a time frame where we would need to be well positioned to act if that's the decision

1300
02:03:09,560 --> 02:03:10,980
of a council at that time.

1301
02:03:11,400 --> 02:03:17,740
I'm just concerned that having something in the CIP at this time could be inhibiting in

1302
02:03:17,740 --> 02:03:27,280
some way so that the grant grants generally that are available are usually for property

1303
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:35,220
improvements in blighted or historic buildings, acquisition is rarely a way to receive grants.

1304
02:03:35,740 --> 02:03:39,620
And so, a way to receive grants.

1305
02:03:39,820 --> 02:03:44,120
And so, the form that we had already received funding, which was congressional is unlikely

1306
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:44,980
in the future.

1307
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:50,800
The state prospect is certainly a way to do that, but there wouldn't be any restriction

1308
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:55,220
on already committed funds through a CIP, it would just be a line item in the budget.

1309
02:03:55,220 --> 02:04:10,700
And so, it would be a directive of the General Assembly to fund this and you could just reallocate those funds to the improvement of property, for example, or to other projects that are needed within the town or move forward other projects.

1310
02:04:11,080 --> 02:04:19,840
So, it is much more difficult to receive outside funding through grants that do have that kind of restriction that you're talking about.

1311
02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:27,460
But for the acquisition, the general assembly appropriating funds, that would not be a problem.

1312
02:04:29,260 --> 02:04:32,040
Okay, so maybe that's just something we can further consider.

1313
02:04:32,380 --> 02:04:35,860
But I appreciate what you're saying about that.

1314
02:04:35,960 --> 02:04:37,620
I think it's good food for thought.

1315
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:44,240
One other thing I thought would be good related to concerns, businesses have brought forward,

1316
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:50,780
is if we were to revisit the parking study that we all spent a lot of time talking through

1317
02:04:50,780 --> 02:04:56,180
earlier this year and seeing if there were items related to the parking study that we

1318
02:04:56,180 --> 02:04:59,980
thought were good to incorporate in the capital improvement plan.

1319
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,980
It was interesting, as I was talking to business owners in the town, one idea that was there that I thought we could take another look at was the idea of what in that plan is called micro transit, but the idea of a trolley, like something that would help with getting people around the community so they could park somewhere and then have an easy way to get around to different businesses in town. And I thought, well, you know, that was something that came out

1320
02:05:29,980 --> 02:05:35,300
up in the parking study that we haven't come back to since we discussed it earlier

1321
02:05:35,300 --> 02:05:42,060
this year. So I don't know, I know we have other topics to discuss tonight, but I don't

1322
02:05:42,060 --> 02:05:47,900
know tell manager if you have thoughts on how best to kind of take a look at, we had

1323
02:05:47,900 --> 02:05:52,840
gone through the exercise with director Levy about how to rank our level of interest

1324
02:05:52,840 --> 02:05:59,720
on different items on the parking study and what we might like to consider. Is there

1325
02:05:59,720 --> 02:06:07,620
a way to do that, or refer to that document and all that thoughtful work that was done

1326
02:06:07,620 --> 02:06:09,960
to kind of incorporate it into this process.

1327
02:06:10,580 --> 02:06:12,440
We can take a look, a fair amount.

1328
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:18,180
Some of it were things like you said, the micro transit concept, a lot of them were more

1329
02:06:18,180 --> 02:06:23,020
regulatory in nature and sort of changes that we would make to potentially that you would

1330
02:06:23,020 --> 02:06:24,760
choose to make to the zoning ordinance.

1331
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:33,600
I think before I would recommend give staff a chance to review quickly, we can do that

1332
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:38,160
tomorrow the next day to see if there's anything in there that has a direct implication on

1333
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:38,760
the CIP.

1334
02:06:39,180 --> 02:06:43,660
If you want to explore micro transit, we should jump right into that, but I would caution

1335
02:06:43,660 --> 02:06:49,320
just really taking the time to think it through because many places have tried that sort

1336
02:06:49,320 --> 02:06:57,240
of thing and just to be a little blunt don't get a lot of ridership so I think I think it's a kind

1337
02:06:57,240 --> 02:07:06,560
of it does carry operating expenses so but give us another chance to look at the document itself

1338
02:07:07,080 --> 02:07:11,040
think about it and we'll send an email out to everybody to talk about which recommendations have

1339
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:15,960
CIP impacts and the mayor actually raised that we bring back the parking as well the last time we

1340
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:21,460
folks so maybe it'll be due for us to get together and put an agenda on some time in the future.

1341
02:07:21,980 --> 02:07:21,980
Thank

1342
02:07:24,670 --> 02:07:25,330
you.

1343
02:07:26,690 --> 02:07:28,510
Okay, just can anything else?

1344
02:07:29,630 --> 02:07:34,410
I do have other things I'm thinking about, but I'm happy to have them as a follow up if

1345
02:07:34,410 --> 02:07:34,970
it's helpful.

1346
02:07:35,530 --> 02:07:43,510
Do you have any more questions for anything you see that needs to, you would like to see

1347
02:07:43,510 --> 02:07:44,430
move for anything?

1348
02:07:44,430 --> 02:07:53,590
The one other item that I do have thoughts about that I know could take further consideration is the renovation and town hall.

1349
02:07:53,870 --> 02:08:09,530
I understand that the town hall renovation has been something that has been considered for some time and that we had again consultant who did an assessment of the space and gave recommendations for that.

1350
02:08:11,390 --> 02:08:16,290
I'm the amount here gives me pause and the timing of it.

1351
02:08:16,590 --> 02:08:23,210
So I feel like it would be helpful to understand if it could be done in phases.

1352
02:08:23,210 --> 02:08:26,090
If there are top priorities, I understand, for example,

1353
02:08:26,290 --> 02:08:32,010
that the area on the first floor of Town Hall was, I think,

1354
02:08:32,090 --> 02:08:36,850
a lot of the study for how the space could be used in a way that's more suitable

1355
02:08:36,850 --> 02:09:02,070
We're vulnerable for meeting with residents and for town staff when they need to have conversations and meeting space with residents who are among each other to deal with issues that we don't have a space that is best oriented toward that type of work and how best to welcome visitors including residents so prioritizing that make that's clear to me I just was wondering about the dollar amount here and like I said it gave me pause.

1356
02:09:03,650 --> 02:09:13,970
Yeah, so that dollar amount in 2028, the $3.2 million is to do renovations in the whole entire building.

1357
02:09:14,690 --> 02:09:19,830
Minus the council chambers area and the portion of the basement that's already been renovated.

1358
02:09:20,750 --> 02:09:31,590
So just going back a little bit, the council approved staff to move forward with the design of just the first floor to implement the changes like you just described.

1359
02:09:31,590 --> 02:09:35,770
You know, more convenient places to meet with residents, you know,

1360
02:09:36,570 --> 02:09:41,290
reconfiguration of the spaces to, you know, more equitably distribute space

1361
02:09:41,290 --> 02:09:46,330
have, you know, HR in a better location, you know, planning and zoning that

1362
02:09:46,330 --> 02:09:50,490
a bit of a deficit right now and to, you know, accommodate the staff

1363
02:09:50,490 --> 02:09:52,670
and the residents on the first floor.

1364
02:09:52,990 --> 02:09:56,610
So that design was funded with ARPAs and is in progress right now.

1365
02:09:56,610 --> 02:09:59,970
But the 3

1366
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:28,940
$200,000, that's in 2026. Budget committee recommends to proceed with the design of the rest of the spaces in the second floor and the basement. Because what we're finding is we're locked in to equally distributing space amongst the first floor only when there's movement that can be made between the second floor, the first floor and the basement. So we'd like to be able to design the whole space and not just the first floor.

1367
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:42,240
But to answer your question, it could be broken up into phases, you know, to do the first floor renovation, maybe the first floor renovation in two phases, but we won't know until we design the whole thing.

1368
02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:51,560
The bathrooms, that's also been something that has been in progress for a while in town hall.

1369
02:10:52,980 --> 02:10:58,080
It started before the renovation project. We're in the permitting process for that right now.

1370
02:10:58,080 --> 02:11:07,400
So the construction for the bathrooms is another line in the capital improvement plan for 2026 for $200,000.

1371
02:11:14,560 --> 02:11:15,160
Excellent.

1372
02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:15,760
Tom Andrew.

1373
02:11:16,600 --> 02:11:17,400
Yes, Madam Mayor.

1374
02:11:17,660 --> 02:11:22,760
I remember the council just a clarification on south side, south side park ball fields.

1375
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:26,160
The scoreboards are included in that.

1376
02:11:26,260 --> 02:11:26,780
Is that correct?

1377
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:29,060
Okay.

1378
02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:29,740
Okay, good.

1379
02:11:30,180 --> 02:11:31,680
And then also just another clarification.

1380
02:11:31,680 --> 02:11:51,480
So, what we're looking for tonight is general direction, so when we come back on October 27th when the Council considers adoption of the CIP, which would be adoption of SAP through 2042, as well as looking at the 2026 bond.

1381
02:11:51,480 --> 02:11:59,500
And so the status of the staff knows what to bring to the council for the October 27th meeting.

1382
02:12:00,340 --> 02:12:06,120
So what we're looking for tonight is general direction, either tonight or

1383
02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:15,140
general direction in the coming weeks so that we are aware of what we should put before the council for approval on the 27th of October.

1384
02:12:15,140 --> 02:12:22,420
Okay. Okay. Okay. I have a question for Director Herman. So a while back we talked

1385
02:12:22,420 --> 02:12:29,280
about the sign on Nutley Street that has all of our nonprofits and at the time I

1386
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:34,700
know it needs to be we need a new sign. It's it's looking pretty bad and then

1387
02:12:34,700 --> 02:12:40,880
there's a lot of new nonprofits that would like to get their logo up but you were

1388
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:45,240
going to look into maybe a completely new design for that.

1389
02:12:46,280 --> 02:12:46,960
Where are we on that?

1390
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:47,400
Yes.

1391
02:12:47,940 --> 02:12:48,080
Correct.

1392
02:12:48,260 --> 02:12:52,100
So that was going to be on the CIP, which was not funded in 2023.

1393
02:12:52,700 --> 02:12:52,800
Right.

1394
02:12:53,440 --> 02:13:00,540
So I believe I was just reviewing the CIP closely again tonight and I noticed that it's not included.

1395
02:13:01,060 --> 02:13:01,180
Right.

1396
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:05,500
So I don't know if there's a way we can add that in.

1397
02:13:05,500 --> 02:13:09,560
I think we had put $50,000 towards it.

1398
02:13:10,340 --> 02:13:14,980
In the past, I can speak more with the finance director.

1399
02:13:16,140 --> 02:13:20,760
Yeah, I mean, you know, we're looking at borrowing $8.5 million in 2026.

1400
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:28,920
So, you know, if council decides to move forward with a $50,000 project, it wouldn't have a massive impact on the debt model.

1401
02:13:29,860 --> 02:13:36,800
Right? I have gotten some requests from some of the new or nonprofits saying, hey,

1402
02:13:37,060 --> 02:13:43,020
our logo on there, but it's going to be a completely new, I think, design,

1403
02:13:43,300 --> 02:13:47,560
correct? That's correct. Something easier, better. I don't know what you were.

1404
02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:52,540
Yes, much more attractive, more noticeable. Sure. Yeah, something to be proud of.

1405
02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:56,840
Right. Yeah, because we rely so much on our nonprofits to do so much in the town.

1406
02:13:56,840 --> 02:14:03,020
Thank you. Thank you. I think I agree. So is that something I just wanted some feedback from council

1407
02:14:03,020 --> 02:14:08,600
I wanted to bring that up. I brought that before and we've talked about it, but I think it is important because

1408
02:14:08,600 --> 02:14:17,000
Our nonprofits do so much for us and it's just a sign kind of letting everybody know you know the rotary club people come into town from other

1409
02:14:17,780 --> 02:14:24,300
jurisdictions from other states and go to our rotary club meetings. We know that it's a really big deal for the rotary ritarians

1410
02:14:25,200 --> 02:14:30,600
So, for $50,000 it seems like maybe that's something we could add, I don't know what the

1411
02:14:30,600 --> 02:14:33,100
rest of the council thinks about that.

1412
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:36,080
Roy?

1413
02:14:36,940 --> 02:14:37,880
I certainly think so.

1414
02:14:38,260 --> 02:14:38,380
Okay.

1415
02:14:40,430 --> 02:14:41,310
I see some nodding.

1416
02:14:41,570 --> 02:14:41,790
Okay.

1417
02:14:42,170 --> 02:14:42,350
All right.

1418
02:14:42,470 --> 02:14:42,830
Thank you.

1419
02:14:43,370 --> 02:14:43,570
Okay.

1420
02:14:44,250 --> 02:14:44,590
All right.

1421
02:14:44,750 --> 02:14:46,270
I don't really have any other questions.

1422
02:14:46,390 --> 02:14:48,610
I think we have so many good projects here.

1423
02:14:49,690 --> 02:14:56,930
And the range I love looking at the range from ball fields to drainage projects that residents

1424
02:14:56,930 --> 02:14:59,710
and have really had some issues in their neighborhood.

1425
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,120
We're going to get fixed, some transportation projects, swimming pools, town hall renovation, so many good projects here. And Steven, I think you and your team did a fantastic job at the whole finance group that put this together. Did a really good job because we can't do them all at the same time, but I think they're laid out really nicely. And this whole packet is really good. So I have no other questions right now.

1426
02:15:31,980 --> 02:15:39,000
Yes, Madam Mayor, members of the town council, this is just an idea for the moment.

1427
02:15:40,040 --> 02:15:43,640
So we don't have two council members with us this evening.

1428
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:51,860
And so this is a version of a SAP that works.

1429
02:15:52,820 --> 02:15:58,700
It would be helpful for staff, maybe if we receive comment and feedback from the council

1430
02:15:58,700 --> 02:16:12,880
of October 1st regarding any changes to what is before you and for the CIP to be passed

1431
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:15,400
by the council takes four council members to do that.

1432
02:16:15,400 --> 02:16:43,420
So if there's any movement of projects back or forward, adding projects that's not even listed here, that you all are interested in or taking things out or all together, if you all could let us know that and we'll count to four with any particular iteration of modification and by October 1st, we will

1433
02:16:43,420 --> 02:16:50,320
So we will, I guess we'll run with what we have based on your interaction with us.

1434
02:16:50,640 --> 02:16:57,960
So this is the starting point, and to give you an example, if we don't hear anything by October 1st,

1435
02:16:57,980 --> 02:17:02,460
then this is what we would take to the Council for the October 27th for the approval.

1436
02:17:03,420 --> 02:17:08,280
And likewise, we hear by October 27th that four council members want to change something.

1437
02:17:08,280 --> 02:17:11,320
in one way or another, then we will move in that manner.

1438
02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:13,400
Is that acceptable to the council?

1439
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:14,280
It's okay.

1440
02:17:14,820 --> 02:17:14,920
Okay.

1441
02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:16,140
Go ahead, Roy.

1442
02:17:16,480 --> 02:17:22,980
Could I just ask, are you talking about feedback just on the bond year for 2026?

1443
02:17:24,300 --> 02:17:31,980
No, a feedback and commentary on all of the years, because every, although every year

1444
02:17:31,980 --> 02:17:39,720
Whether we reorient, we re-prioritize based on more information, based on more information

1445
02:17:39,720 --> 02:17:46,500
on dollars, based on more information on project priority, they may change from year to year,

1446
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:54,380
but it is good information for us to know a project in 2028 or a project in 2032 is good

1447
02:17:54,380 --> 02:18:01,740
for us to know how important it is to you all and where it falls, but it is good to think

1448
02:18:01,740 --> 02:18:05,940
Think about in two parts, one, this is a bond here, so 2026 is important.

1449
02:18:06,500 --> 02:18:10,340
But also, 2028, 3032, those are important as well.

1450
02:18:10,640 --> 02:18:15,800
And if you see a project, for example, in 2034 that you just don't like, and

1451
02:18:15,800 --> 02:18:19,320
for council members don't like it, then we need to know that so we can pull it out.

1452
02:18:20,360 --> 02:18:25,620
And likewise, if you see something in 2036 that you want in 2032, and

1453
02:18:25,620 --> 02:18:28,800
four of you say to do that, that's helpful for us as well.

1454
02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:34,540
Also, we need a comprehensive view of what your impression is through 2042.

1455
02:18:35,320 --> 02:18:48,180
That's good because I do refer to Councilmember Springsteen's email in which he makes a comment like that about the drainage issue on

1456
02:18:48,180 --> 02:18:55,420
Center Street and Church Street in Maple Avenue, which he would like to have moved up from 2042 so we can let him know

1457
02:18:55,420 --> 02:18:58,860
So with that in writing, by October 1st, it'll be.

1458
02:18:59,540 --> 02:19:09,140
And we received that, so if we could have for the other council members that would go along with that, that's what we would make that change.

1459
02:19:10,340 --> 02:19:22,640
So just as a clarifying question, we would need to respond by October 1st with what changes we would recommend together with if there are other members of three other members of the council.

1460
02:19:22,640 --> 02:19:37,460
but not so we won't have another opportunity to discuss in a public meeting, but we are to email our and

1461
02:19:39,600 --> 02:19:43,040
then and confer with other members of could you

1462
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:43,200
All right.

1463
02:19:43,440 --> 02:19:44,200
Sure, absolutely.

1464
02:19:45,420 --> 02:19:45,600
Sure.

1465
02:19:46,040 --> 02:19:51,220
Fits together, process-wise, and with having an opportunity to deliberate.

1466
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:52,140
Sure.

1467
02:19:52,360 --> 02:19:52,900
Madam Mayor.

1468
02:19:53,340 --> 02:19:53,480
Yes.

1469
02:19:53,980 --> 02:19:54,860
So, members of council.

1470
02:19:55,440 --> 02:19:56,820
So, there are no ways to this could happen.

1471
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,720
One is council members can talk to you.

1472
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,880
Each other individually and find out where each other are on various projects and then let us know individually that you want to move a project one way or another. We can also have another work session because there's nothing necessarily special about October 27th necessarily. You know, we're not bound by an end year fiscal year of June 30th, for example. So if we wanted to come back and have another work session,

1473
02:20:29,880 --> 02:20:31,040
And we can do that.

1474
02:20:31,240 --> 02:20:32,900
There's nothing saying that we can't do that.

1475
02:20:33,020 --> 02:20:38,040
I think our next work session is October 20th.

1476
02:20:41,340 --> 02:20:44,080
I think we're at VML on October 13th.

1477
02:20:44,420 --> 02:20:46,300
So October 20th is a work session.

1478
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:50,140
So if this council wanted to have another work session

1479
02:20:50,140 --> 02:20:53,620
on this on October 20th, certainly we can do that.

1480
02:20:53,980 --> 02:20:56,560
It's up to you all how comfortable you are

1481
02:20:56,560 --> 02:21:01,940
with having conversations with each other individually

1482
02:21:01,940 --> 02:21:06,760
and then finding out where each other are, or be if you're more comfortable in coming

1483
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:11,760
back into this setting and having a conversation in a work session.

1484
02:21:12,660 --> 02:21:15,840
The only thing that I would, I have no preference either way.

1485
02:21:16,100 --> 02:21:21,480
The only thing that would just be clarifying for the staff is one of those two paths giving

1486
02:21:21,480 --> 02:21:22,120
us direction.

1487
02:21:22,860 --> 02:21:29,700
So I wouldn't want to have another work session on October 20th and then we don't really

1488
02:21:29,700 --> 02:21:36,340
have for council members telling us which way to go and I wouldn't want to have a situation

1489
02:21:36,340 --> 02:21:39,360
where you all are talking individually and we still don't have a direction which way

1490
02:21:39,360 --> 02:21:44,760
to go. So whichever way is most comfortable to the council, if it's more comfortable to

1491
02:21:44,760 --> 02:21:51,760
the council for example to have another workshop on the 20th we can do that but we just need

1492
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:52,120
direction.

1493
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:57,720
Right. I mean perhaps I mean tonight we did have an opportunity to talk about things I didn't

1494
02:21:57,720 --> 02:22:01,140
and here or anyone with too many huge concerns.

1495
02:22:02,540 --> 02:22:05,700
You know, I would think as just being,

1496
02:22:06,820 --> 02:22:10,780
giving each other the consideration and respect

1497
02:22:10,780 --> 02:22:12,500
that if there is something major,

1498
02:22:12,660 --> 02:22:15,200
somebody wants to move that we would talk to each other

1499
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:17,860
and not just send in something to Mercury

1500
02:22:17,860 --> 02:22:20,360
and then some of us maybe don't hear about it or whatever.

1501
02:22:20,840 --> 02:22:23,580
And so I think that if we could agree to that,

1502
02:22:23,940 --> 02:22:24,920
that's what I would suggest.

1503
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:25,120
Yes.

1504
02:22:26,260 --> 02:22:54,540
And Madam Mayor, members of the council and one thing, here's a third way, I guess, is that if we're hearing from two council members about a concern about a particular project or something, then we can have an on October 20th, a work session to maybe talk about those few items that there are concerns about instead of talking about the entire CIP again, I just don't want us to spend the energy of having a whole conversation again and still not having direction.

1505
02:22:54,540 --> 02:23:01,240
So just, I think the most important thing is direction, how we get there, and we can do it in a number of ways, and I think student.

1506
02:23:01,560 --> 02:23:06,080
Yeah, so I think it's very important we get clear direction at least on 2026.

1507
02:23:06,680 --> 02:23:10,340
The CIP 2028 and onward is for planning purposes.

1508
02:23:10,540 --> 02:23:14,700
So if we're uncomfortable about 2028 and onward, we can talk about that later.

1509
02:23:14,780 --> 02:23:17,520
We can talk about that and change it next year in a planning year.

1510
02:23:17,520 --> 02:23:24,680
But in 2026, we need clear direction, I think, as soon as possible because we are working side by side with our financial advisors Davenport.

1511
02:23:25,020 --> 02:23:32,080
And if we want to close January 1 on our debt, because there's projects that need to be done, there's transportation, there's concrete maintaining our streets.

1512
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:36,480
There's a variety of things that need to be done soon, because there's currently no funding for those projects.

1513
02:23:37,100 --> 02:23:44,240
We need clear guidance on 2026, and I think we need to adopt on October 27th, so we can do that.

1514
02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:45,640
Yes, Stephen makes a good point.

1515
02:23:45,820 --> 02:23:54,940
I'm glad you said that because while there is nothing special about October 27th, there is something special about October 27th.

1516
02:23:54,960 --> 02:24:08,540
And that is as we delay approval, in particular, I think it impacts public works the most because there are projects in public works that have to be done in the spring, summer and fall time.

1517
02:24:08,540 --> 02:24:12,200
And so the more that we delay the bond for

1518
02:24:13,280 --> 02:24:19,760
that purpose in particular, there are drainage projects and all kind of other projects that are public works related.

1519
02:24:20,220 --> 02:24:26,420
That if we miss a certain window, we miss project time.

1520
02:24:27,340 --> 02:24:34,220
So I'm glad Steven mentioned that October 27th is special for that purpose, not necessarily a statutory purpose or anything like that.

1521
02:24:34,220 --> 02:24:38,140
but just from a practical project accomplishments standpoint.

1522
02:24:38,780 --> 02:24:46,400
So we actually, we recommend that October 27th, that there is direction one way or the other, whatever that is.

1523
02:24:50,060 --> 02:24:55,860
So, I was just going to suggest that we put a placeholder in for October 20th for a work session.

1524
02:24:56,820 --> 02:24:59,980
We'll see if we need a, I suspect we will, because-

1525
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:28,700
Because it's too many moving pieces with too many different parties, and who knows how much horse trading there's gonna be, maybe a little, maybe a lot, who knows. But I would go ahead and put a placeholder. And in the meantime, we'll try to hash it out. Yes, Madam Mayor, that's the most important thing. I think October 20th will get the most value out of October 20th. If council members between now and then talk individually amongst themselves to get.

1526
02:25:29,500 --> 02:25:34,960
To get a I guess a consensus or understanding of where each other where you all are as a group.

1527
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:39,520
So October 20th would get us one way or the other.

1528
02:25:40,020 --> 02:25:40,340
Okay,

1529
02:25:42,350 --> 02:25:43,370
sounds good.

1530
02:25:43,890 --> 02:25:44,650
Thank you.

1531
02:25:44,770 --> 02:25:45,230
All right.

1532
02:25:45,510 --> 02:25:46,130
Anyone else?

1533
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:48,470
Okay.

1534
02:25:48,770 --> 02:25:49,650
I think we're done.

1535
02:25:50,310 --> 02:25:50,790
All right.

1536
02:25:50,910 --> 02:25:52,550
Any and then you had open discussion.

1537
02:25:52,550 --> 02:25:53,690
So is there anything else?

1538
02:25:53,830 --> 02:25:53,970
Anybody?

1539
02:25:55,130 --> 02:25:56,110
Oh, carry forward.

1540
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:56,930
Yes.

1541
02:25:57,070 --> 02:25:57,970
How did I forget?

1542
02:25:58,370 --> 02:25:58,650
All right.

1543
02:25:59,590 --> 02:26:00,470
Thank you.

1544
02:26:00,650 --> 02:26:01,210
Yes, we do.

1545
02:26:01,210 --> 02:26:03,070
All right, let's talk about that.

1546
02:26:03,990 --> 02:26:15,710
Okay, don't you mind bringing that one up as these supplemental appropriations tab up top so this one historically we've had a work session

1547
02:26:15,710 --> 02:26:23,970
It's not required. I can just help explain leading up to the public hearing and the adoption of the supplemental appropriations, which essentially are

1548
02:26:23,970 --> 02:26:30,730
Existing purchase orders or commitments in out of the 2025 operating budget that we need to carry forward into 2026

1549
02:26:31,670 --> 02:26:36,450
These are obligations that have been made, but not delivered.

1550
02:26:36,890 --> 02:26:39,750
So what you're going to see a lot of here is vehicles.

1551
02:26:40,550 --> 02:26:43,770
We have $1.5 million of vehicles that we borrowed for.

1552
02:26:44,030 --> 02:26:47,630
They've been approved in the previous budget, but they have not been delivered yet.

1553
02:26:47,910 --> 02:26:49,190
They're on an existing purchase order.

1554
02:26:49,670 --> 02:26:51,430
So we have a commitment to purchase them.

1555
02:26:51,510 --> 02:26:52,590
They just haven't been delivered and paid.

1556
02:26:53,250 --> 02:26:58,890
So that's why these purchase orders for vehicles down here.

1557
02:26:59,690 --> 02:27:01,230
There's about 20 of them.

1558
02:27:01,670 --> 02:27:08,390
They include dump trucks, material spreaders, up fittings for police vehicles, and things

1559
02:27:08,390 --> 02:27:08,890
like that.

1560
02:27:11,130 --> 02:27:18,130
So we're requesting to bring those purchase orders forward into 2026 because the total

1561
02:27:18,130 --> 02:27:23,030
amount of the purchase orders moving forward or carry forward are over 1% of next year's budget.

1562
02:27:24,110 --> 02:27:26,950
It's state law and state code to require public carrying.

1563
02:27:26,950 --> 02:27:32,010
So that's essentially what we're doing here if there's any discussion needed on it.

1564
02:27:32,650 --> 02:27:39,790
There's also at the bottom there about 10 purchase orders that we are requesting to bring

1565
02:27:39,790 --> 02:27:40,630
forward as well.

1566
02:27:41,810 --> 02:27:47,230
These are projects that have been started but not completed so they're also on a purchase

1567
02:27:47,230 --> 02:27:47,570
order.

1568
02:27:50,650 --> 02:27:55,110
And department heads are here to speak to those if there's any questions on them but these

1569
02:27:55,110 --> 02:28:00,090
These are commitments that have been made, but the service has not been completed or paid yet, so we're requesting to move on forward.

1570
02:28:04,110 --> 02:28:04,910
Any questions on that?

1571
02:28:10,740 --> 02:28:11,000
Right.

1572
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:17,310
Again, your information is just very well presented.

1573
02:28:17,910 --> 02:28:26,810
In terms on page three, the various vendor names, your spreading amount of several.

1574
02:28:28,450 --> 02:28:34,690
Is it because no one is really excellent or is it that you're covering your bases?

1575
02:28:34,690 --> 02:28:35,950
is why so many?

1576
02:28:38,010 --> 02:28:40,330
As far as the vendors that we contract with.

1577
02:28:40,710 --> 02:28:40,850
Right.

1578
02:28:41,290 --> 02:28:44,890
You have, in other words, she might be the best

1579
02:28:45,410 --> 02:28:50,310
for those particular patrol vehicles.

1580
02:28:51,190 --> 02:28:52,470
But you have intercon.

1581
02:28:55,120 --> 02:28:57,380
I think it really depends on their specialty.

1582
02:28:57,980 --> 02:29:01,140
We also have a number of rideable contracts and,

1583
02:29:02,180 --> 02:29:05,380
you know, contracts that we can use for specific types of vehicles.

1584
02:29:05,380 --> 02:29:10,400
vehicles, I think it really depends on, you know, what we're ordering.

1585
02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:15,540
So yeah, we use cheeky forward for most of our trucks and most of our police vehicles.

1586
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:19,680
But Cain, you know, international trucks, and I'm sure Brad, you probably speak to this

1587
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:26,200
more, but it really depends on the contract and the specialty, and we have a number of vendors

1588
02:29:26,200 --> 02:29:27,340
we can purchase from.

1589
02:29:28,120 --> 02:29:31,040
In other words, you've used them for how many years?

1590
02:29:33,290 --> 02:29:33,790
Number of years.

1591
02:29:34,310 --> 02:29:34,550
Okay.

1592
02:29:34,550 --> 02:29:36,030
So that leads to my next question.

1593
02:29:36,470 --> 02:29:39,650
Is it just comfortable to stay with the same owner as it competitively bid?

1594
02:29:40,090 --> 02:29:43,010
It's competitively bid or through the rideable contract.

1595
02:29:43,390 --> 02:29:45,690
So we're following procurement guidelines.

1596
02:29:46,310 --> 02:29:49,990
We have a number of contracts we ride through the county or other localities.

1597
02:29:50,610 --> 02:29:52,770
And they're all purchasing through these same vendors.

1598
02:29:53,150 --> 02:29:59,710
So in some cases, she, he, for those lower dollar ones, we can just get a quote and

1599
02:29:59,710 --> 02:29:59,910
per

1600
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,940
Just said, that's within our guidelines, if it's $130,000, but once it gets over $30,000, we need a contract in place, and that's either bid out or we ride through another locality. Are you disappointed in any of these vendors? Are they excellent? As of now, these vendors are meeting the requirements of their contract. But if we do run into a situation where we're not pleased with their delivery or their services,

1601
02:30:29,940 --> 02:30:36,220
that they provide, we can essentially cancel those contracts for non-performance.

1602
02:30:42,070 --> 02:30:50,150
I have a more basic question, I guess, which is founded in my short time on the town

1603
02:30:50,150 --> 02:30:50,590
council.

1604
02:30:51,090 --> 02:30:58,410
I'm just trying to figure out where in the adopted budget we have these amounts for vehicle

1605
02:30:58,410 --> 02:30:59,970
replacements in the first place.

1606
02:31:00,970 --> 02:31:08,450
I'm looking at adopted budget for fiscal year 2025-26 and I just don't see the these amounts.

1607
02:31:10,190 --> 02:31:13,210
Can you come over and help you in real time?

1608
02:31:14,350 --> 02:31:15,330
I don't know off the top of my head.

1609
02:31:16,730 --> 02:31:17,410
Let's see.

1610
02:31:19,390 --> 02:31:27,230
This says that these roll forwards, for instance, I've got, yeah, I've got probably

1611
02:31:29,250 --> 02:31:29,450
in the

1612
02:31:29,450 --> 02:31:30,050
back here.

1613
02:31:30,970 --> 02:31:33,990
Let's see, and if not, I can point

1614
02:31:36,870 --> 02:31:37,950
you in the right direction later.

1615
02:31:38,270 --> 02:31:45,690
Okay, I've got a couple of bookmarks here for one for police, which is, but I'll see them there.

1616
02:31:47,230 --> 02:31:49,810
No, it's not going to be in the individual department budgets.

1617
02:31:57,500 --> 02:32:03,420
I think it's going to be in the one nine, there you go, one nine one four one, general fund capital lease financing.

1618
02:32:04,200 --> 02:32:09,180
So within Division 19141, capital leases is what we call them.

1619
02:32:09,580 --> 02:32:14,400
You can see the budget of $1.5 million in 2025.

1620
02:32:14,980 --> 02:32:18,740
Page 336, all right, okay, so now I'm on the right page.

1621
02:32:20,980 --> 02:32:21,520
So

1622
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:28,100
I'm going to come up with a question that director Barlow cannot answer.

1623
02:32:29,980 --> 02:32:30,520
Okay,

1624
02:32:33,290 --> 02:32:33,810
anyone else?

1625
02:32:39,160 --> 02:32:39,440
All right.

1626
02:32:40,840 --> 02:32:51,440
Okay, so yeah, next steps for this will be the October 6th public hearing, and again, we hold a public hearing just because this is 1% of next year's budget that we are going to bring forward.

1627
02:32:52,920 --> 02:32:54,420
Mark, do you have anything you'd like to add here?

1628
02:32:56,180 --> 02:32:57,500
No, thank you, Stephen.

1629
02:33:00,340 --> 02:33:05,660
Okay, anything else, Dr. Okay, and we had the open discussion.

1630
02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:07,840
I know there was something you wanted to mention to mentor.

1631
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:15,220
Yes, Madam Mayor, members of town council, this is, I think the first time we've tried this new thing called open discussion, it is a work session.

1632
02:33:15,540 --> 02:33:23,600
So if council members want to talk about anything particular, I know that the last meeting, there was a conversation about the comprehensive plan and the scheduling of it.

1633
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:30,140
So if you want to talk about that or anything else, this is an open mic time.

1634
02:33:34,040 --> 02:33:34,640
Go ahead, Chuck.

1635
02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:34,700
Okay.

1636
02:33:37,300 --> 02:33:45,720
The town manager has already heard me putting in a plug for this but our 250th celebration

1637
02:33:45,720 --> 02:33:52,060
is upcoming and I'm hoping somewhere we can find some funds to sort of support that.

1638
02:33:52,680 --> 02:33:58,320
I don't know, I don't have a dollar number in mind just yet, but we've got a very enthusiastic

1639
02:33:58,320 --> 02:34:04,960
the committee who are dreaming up all sorts of stuff that we could do, and we're going

1640
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:14,120
to rely on volunteers and sponsorships as much as we can, but I just put it out there

1641
02:34:14,120 --> 02:34:19,600
as the programming becomes more settled.

1642
02:34:22,110 --> 02:34:27,860
We should try to get together to see if this is a worthwhile endeavor and how much of

1643
02:34:27,860 --> 02:34:31,740
the town's resources are available to help support it.

1644
02:34:31,960 --> 02:34:33,540
So I just thought I'd mention that.

1645
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:39,500
Hey, anyone else?

1646
02:34:39,660 --> 02:34:39,820
Yes.

1647
02:34:41,040 --> 02:34:46,840
Yes, I just wanted to mention I know the commander

1648
02:34:46,840 --> 02:34:49,360
of the American Legion post came forward

1649
02:34:49,360 --> 02:34:51,720
and told us about the Be the One initiative

1650
02:34:51,720 --> 02:34:55,120
and asked for the support of the council for an event

1651
02:34:55,120 --> 02:34:58,560
that they are going to have next weekend.

1652
02:34:58,560 --> 02:34:58,860
and

1653
02:35:00,080 --> 02:35:07,240
Having a system where people can check on those who have served to make that personal connection

1654
02:35:07,240 --> 02:35:13,500
as part of Suicide Awareness Month this month. So I just I plan to be there and really appreciate

1655
02:35:13,500 --> 02:35:22,400
that he shared that opportunity for us to be supportive. One other item I would love

1656
02:35:22,400 --> 02:35:26,120
to hear more about is the Halloween parade.

1657
02:35:26,840 --> 02:35:34,060
So I know we have it out coming up in October, and one of the things we had talked about

1658
02:35:34,060 --> 02:35:42,180
earlier this year was some new measures that would be in place for the parade, so it

1659
02:35:42,180 --> 02:35:45,400
would be helpful to hear an update on how that's going.

1660
02:35:49,310 --> 02:35:49,830
Thank you.

1661
02:35:49,830 --> 02:35:56,970
So we have gone out for an RFP and received one bid back, but we do have three other quotes

1662
02:35:56,970 --> 02:35:58,150
that we received before.

1663
02:35:58,530 --> 02:36:02,750
So right now, we're kind of in negotiations with talking to two different companies.

1664
02:36:02,750 --> 02:36:08,590
We have an interview tomorrow, and then we have discussions with another company later this

1665
02:36:08,590 --> 02:36:08,830
week.

1666
02:36:09,610 --> 02:36:14,010
So discussing, there's a lot of details that go into it, especially with making sure that

1667
02:36:14,010 --> 02:36:19,250
there's openings for the businesses, giving them enough contractor enough time to be able

1668
02:36:19,250 --> 02:36:24,750
set all the barricades and have openings for the businesses, so we're not restricting

1669
02:36:24,750 --> 02:36:28,530
folks from coming and going until it's time to close the streets off.

1670
02:36:29,130 --> 02:36:31,530
So we're just kind of working through those pieces.

1671
02:36:32,730 --> 02:36:32,770
So.

1672
02:36:33,310 --> 02:36:34,050
Yes, good.

1673
02:36:34,170 --> 02:36:34,490
Please.

1674
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:37,050
Thank you for that update.

1675
02:36:37,690 --> 02:36:46,750
I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about two things, one, what the use the word

1676
02:36:46,750 --> 02:36:47,230
barricade.

1677
02:36:47,230 --> 02:36:51,450
so I will use it. It was something I know I had concerns about, but it's going forward.

1678
02:36:51,990 --> 02:36:58,030
What the look of them will be? If it will be, I know we had talked about different possible

1679
02:36:58,030 --> 02:37:06,150
options of that it could be done in a way that is like the silver, this would be to have

1680
02:37:07,350 --> 02:37:16,730
barricades all along Maple Avenue along the Parade Route. So, would it be the silver, metal,

1681
02:37:17,610 --> 02:37:23,950
barricades that were contemplated before? Are there other options that are being considered now that would have that same kind of

1682
02:37:23,950 --> 02:37:27,710
safety feature, but that would have a different visual effect?

1683
02:37:28,210 --> 02:37:30,710
So it would be the silver metal

1684
02:37:31,230 --> 02:37:39,150
fencing that would be because that's pretty much the only other than the big plastic ones that are like bright orange and thick and heavy

1685
02:37:40,530 --> 02:37:44,790
Very cumbersome and then also you can't see through them because they're solid

1686
02:37:44,790 --> 02:37:53,650
That was the best option because as I had shared before, the issue was with children running back and forth.

1687
02:37:53,870 --> 02:37:57,850
So we wanted to make sure that we had something that the children couldn't get passed.

1688
02:37:58,750 --> 02:38:03,810
So that was the best option that we were able to come up with.

1689
02:38:04,590 --> 02:38:11,470
Okay, and then my other question is just, you mentioned the businesses and the access to businesses.

1690
02:38:11,470 --> 02:38:18,210
Is that something that will be further discussed and planned and how will I just would note the suggestion?

1691
02:38:18,770 --> 02:38:25,650
The request please to talk engage with the businesses early if that's part of the plan so that they

1692
02:38:26,310 --> 02:38:33,930
Know about this. I know I think the broader community knowing about it and the rationale of the council and supporting it was for safety

1693
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:39,130
And also just thinking about the other possible impacts. I think would be

1694
02:38:39,130 --> 02:38:42,210
going to be good if it's not already part of the plans.

1695
02:38:43,570 --> 02:38:59,790
One of the things that we've been talking about with the parks department was potentially just sending out an email to all of the businesses because it is so wide reaching the Halloween parade that it impacts almost the entire town, the closures, especially in the commercial areas, basically outside of Cedar Park.

1696
02:39:00,510 --> 02:39:06,270
So that is a different approach than I think we might have taken in the past which was only the directly impacted businesses.

1697
02:39:06,270 --> 02:39:12,750
some of the feedback we've heard in the past was that even if you're not in the direct route it still impacts your business traffic

1698
02:39:12,750 --> 02:39:16,490
and so that is an adjustment that we're going to look to make and so

1699
02:39:16,490 --> 02:39:20,510
Perst Department will be working with us to make sure that's conveyed to them.

1700
02:39:21,730 --> 02:39:22,770
Thank you.

1701
02:39:24,930 --> 02:39:25,450
Roy?

1702
02:39:25,990 --> 02:39:33,750
I'd like just to comment that according to being an acceptable euphemism for Barricade is passive protection device.

1703
02:39:38,950 --> 02:39:44,590
I was not in favor of the barriers because I thought the real issue was the gap between

1704
02:39:44,590 --> 02:39:45,030
the floats.

1705
02:39:45,910 --> 02:39:54,130
What steps are we taking to make sure the floats have minimal gaps so someone's not encouraged

1706
02:39:54,130 --> 02:39:55,190
across the street?

1707
02:39:55,910 --> 02:39:59,870
Yes, there will be education and then we'll also have staff that will

1708
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:27,980
We walk along side, not every single unit, but identifying the entries that we've had issues with before and assigning people to those organizations. But they literally normally has, she normally has a knowledge, kind of interview, not interview, but kind of a discussion with the parade participants to let them know what our rules and guidelines are, because there are many rules and guidelines that go along with it.

1709
02:40:27,980 --> 02:40:32,460
and also with keeping gaps or not keeping gaps.

1710
02:40:33,100 --> 02:40:36,300
So that will be discussed and then we will reiterate it.

1711
02:40:36,440 --> 02:40:40,260
And then I also reiterate it as every group passes by

1712
02:40:40,680 --> 02:40:42,200
when they're stepping into the parade route.

1713
02:40:42,360 --> 02:40:46,180
I speak to every single unit about keeping the gaps tight.

1714
02:40:46,360 --> 02:40:50,860
But we will identify the gaps where the gaps were

1715
02:40:50,860 --> 02:40:53,140
in the units that were causing some of the issues

1716
02:40:53,140 --> 02:40:54,460
so that we could deal with those.

1717
02:40:54,460 --> 02:40:58,440
and then also potentially we haven't done the

1718
02:40:58,440 --> 02:41:00,360
parade line up for still receiving applications,

1719
02:41:00,940 --> 02:41:03,060
so identifying which ones are applying

1720
02:41:03,060 --> 02:41:05,580
that are the have been problems.

1721
02:41:07,120 --> 02:41:09,320
I've never seen it quite like last years.

1722
02:41:10,460 --> 02:41:11,620
Is there a cause?

1723
02:41:11,980 --> 02:41:14,800
Do we have many new entries?

1724
02:41:15,460 --> 02:41:17,380
Or because it seems like some of them,

1725
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:19,040
we've seen year after year after year,

1726
02:41:19,580 --> 02:41:20,660
so they know the drill.

1727
02:41:21,780 --> 02:41:23,800
It was the makeup different last year

1728
02:41:24,500 --> 02:41:30,520
No, it was it was the same as it's been in the past, I mean there's there's some groups that we know that

1729
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:32,120
routinely

1730
02:41:33,140 --> 02:41:38,920
Get their themselves a little bit more room or not are not as fast as walking because of the steps that they take

1731
02:41:38,920 --> 02:41:41,540
Sometimes one step forward two steps back

1732
02:41:42,360 --> 02:41:44,160
And there's in their dancing

1733
02:41:45,180 --> 02:41:46,700
Which is a little frustrating

1734
02:41:49,240 --> 02:41:53,600
But it's it's always it's always a challenge with parades and gaps are my biggest

1735
02:41:53,800 --> 02:41:58,900
pet peeve. So yeah, we're working to make sure that we minimize those. Sometimes it's

1736
02:41:58,900 --> 02:42:04,120
difficult because, for instance, you'll have dancing groups that are incredibly colorful

1737
02:42:04,920 --> 02:42:12,040
and entertaining, but they're one step forward, two steps back. And they kind of slow things

1738
02:42:12,040 --> 02:42:17,480
down, but the last thing we want is for anyone, for there to be like a block gap. I just, I,

1739
02:42:17,680 --> 02:42:21,440
we try to keep it as tight as possible, but not too tight because there have been times

1740
02:42:21,440 --> 02:42:26,460
would folks have taken it very literal and they've written almost on the tail of the unit in front of them

1741
02:42:26,460 --> 02:42:31,300
And then they can't when they're coming by the you know this the stage where you all are sitting

1742
02:42:31,300 --> 02:42:37,280
You can't tell which ones a separate unit and it also makes it difficult when they're filming it

1743
02:42:37,920 --> 02:42:44,100
Well, it's a wonderful event. Thank you for what you're doing and look forward to it. Great. Thank you

1744
02:42:45,720 --> 02:42:47,020
All right, tell me

1745
02:42:47,020 --> 02:42:47,260
answer.

1746
02:42:48,620 --> 02:42:49,100
What?

1747
02:42:49,400 --> 02:42:50,380
Councillor Anderson.

1748
02:42:51,420 --> 02:42:53,140
It's quicker on the good.

1749
02:42:53,400 --> 02:42:53,980
Go ahead.

1750
02:42:55,280 --> 02:42:58,360
Just a reminder about the update of the library.

1751
02:42:58,780 --> 02:42:59,620
Do we have any news?

1752
02:43:01,400 --> 02:43:01,680
A vote.

1753
02:43:04,940 --> 02:43:06,800
And while he's coming up, I'll ask David Levy

1754
02:43:06,800 --> 02:43:09,260
to come up to talk about the comp plan after.

1755
02:43:10,060 --> 02:43:11,160
If I could cue him up.

1756
02:43:11,500 --> 02:43:11,640
Yes.

1757
02:43:11,900 --> 02:43:12,060
Okay.

1758
02:43:14,040 --> 02:43:14,780
Oh yeah, absolutely.

1759
02:43:14,780 --> 02:43:26,660
So the county is in the acquisition process and it's not publicly available information right now, but what I can say is they're working on awarding the project.

1760
02:43:28,340 --> 02:43:30,860
So I'm talking about the library in the parking garage.

1761
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:37,140
So by the end of the month, I think I should be able to provide the council with an update perhaps at the September 29 meeting.

1762
02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:42,200
But I will say I think their target is to award at this month.

1763
02:43:43,560 --> 02:43:54,540
And usually it takes, once you order a project, it takes a couple months before the contractor submits and mobilizes, but I'll have a little bit more information about the next council meeting.

1764
02:43:54,920 --> 02:43:55,260
Thank you.

1765
02:43:57,530 --> 02:44:10,370
Okay, thank you. And I'll just tee up David Lee, the director of planning and zoning so he can hit the home run here off the tee, tee it up or golf tee either way.

1766
02:44:10,370 --> 02:44:24,070
Okay, so October 22nd, town council and joint public hearing is in the plan, so we just need to know if the council is comfortable with that and other aspects within the plan.

1767
02:44:24,770 --> 02:44:34,470
Well, so, right, so the Planning Commission is nearing completion of their, the document that they want to release for the public hearing.

1768
02:44:35,710 --> 02:44:38,850
We are a staff or a busily getting it together.

1769
02:44:39,010 --> 02:44:45,270
We plan on bringing it to them on September 24th, and we anticipate that they're going

1770
02:44:45,270 --> 02:44:49,330
to be ready to release because they're comfortable with all the language we did a review last

1771
02:44:49,330 --> 02:44:49,750
time.

1772
02:44:50,130 --> 02:44:52,230
Now it's sort of getting it into a good format.

1773
02:44:53,010 --> 02:44:57,010
At that point, they're likely to want to hold their public hearing on one of two dates,

1774
02:44:57,010 --> 02:44:59,410
It's either November 12th.

1775
02:45:00,020 --> 02:45:10,520
Which is, or October 22nd, which is not a scheduled meeting for them, TMI, too much information

1776
02:45:10,520 --> 02:45:14,980
to know why Council Member Remekas and Anderson, there are all sorts of things about the

1777
02:45:14,980 --> 02:45:23,060
second meeting in October and the Halloween parade. But the question originally was that

1778
02:45:23,060 --> 02:45:27,420
that the council would participate in a joint public hearing.

1779
02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:35,020
The main purpose of that was to see if there'd be a possibility of completing the comp

1780
02:45:35,020 --> 02:45:36,780
plan during this council.

1781
02:45:37,620 --> 02:45:40,220
That has slipped for multiple reasons.

1782
02:45:41,080 --> 02:45:46,640
A key reason recently was because of the network issues.

1783
02:45:49,090 --> 02:45:51,160
We're also aware that you want to do.

1784
02:45:51,160 --> 02:45:54,860
we've heard from at least two of you that you would like to do a work session of discussion

1785
02:45:55,400 --> 02:46:00,600
before a public hearing so you have a chance to understand what's in the document that's different

1786
02:46:00,600 --> 02:46:03,400
from what was in the document.

1787
02:46:05,880 --> 02:46:11,020
So if you were to participate in a joint public hearing either on October

1788
02:46:11,020 --> 02:46:20,480
22nd or November 12th we'd have to figure out a way to get yet another work session in on October 20th

1789
02:46:20,480 --> 02:46:27,020
when all the boards and commissions are coming in or on some other date or if you say okay no big deal

1790
02:46:27,020 --> 02:46:34,160
to do the joint public hearing we're not going to be able to even if you do it honestly at this point

1791
02:46:35,160 --> 02:46:39,920
the next year is when the council is going to be working on it because the commission's going to hear

1792
02:46:39,920 --> 02:46:44,440
the testimony they're going to do whatever updates then they're going to forward it to the commission

1793
02:46:44,440 --> 02:46:49,420
that probably won't be done till December so the new year is when you're really going to be addressing

1794
02:46:49,420 --> 02:46:55,980
it anyway. So the alternative is, you wait until the Planning Commission completes

1795
02:46:55,980 --> 02:47:04,520
this work, forwards you their recommendation, you hold a work session where we do a presentation

1796
02:47:04,520 --> 02:47:10,140
to you with the commission, with a minimum the chair of the commission and whatever other

1797
02:47:10,140 --> 02:47:15,900
commission members want to do it. We discuss all the changes that are in this as compared

1798
02:47:15,900 --> 02:47:21,680
to the existing plan then you have your public hearing and then you move forward to your

1799
02:47:21,680 --> 02:47:30,120
work. So those are to me those are the two options right that I mean to me I think especially

1800
02:47:30,120 --> 02:47:34,640
since you know our original idea was to have that joint public hearing while I like having

1801
02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:39,240
joint public hearings with the planning commission I think that we're not going to get to that

1802
02:47:39,240 --> 02:47:42,360
that 2025, that's not going to happen.

1803
02:47:42,820 --> 02:47:46,740
So, to me, letting the planning commission do their part

1804
02:47:46,740 --> 02:47:50,360
and just do it like we normally do, makes sense.

1805
02:47:50,900 --> 02:47:53,420
I think I don't see any problem with doing that.

1806
02:47:53,940 --> 02:47:57,100
I think it might just be a little,

1807
02:47:58,760 --> 02:48:00,260
that's our normal process,

1808
02:48:00,440 --> 02:48:02,620
and so I think our normal process does work,

1809
02:48:03,120 --> 02:48:06,160
and so I think that would be my recommendation.

1810
02:48:07,260 --> 02:48:09,980
Anybody has a different idea, please?

1811
02:48:13,280 --> 02:48:13,900
That's not good.

1812
02:48:14,380 --> 02:48:14,480
OK.

1813
02:48:14,880 --> 02:48:15,320
Yeah, I know.

1814
02:48:15,560 --> 02:48:17,520
I had expressed other ideas before,

1815
02:48:17,700 --> 02:48:20,600
but I think in light of where we are and other priorities,

1816
02:48:20,800 --> 02:48:22,140
including what we discussed tonight,

1817
02:48:22,140 --> 02:48:24,280
it seems like the typical process.

1818
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:26,460
As you described it makes sense.

1819
02:48:27,060 --> 02:48:27,140
OK.

1820
02:48:27,820 --> 02:48:28,540
Same here.

1821
02:48:28,940 --> 02:48:30,460
I mean, I would like to.

1822
02:48:30,820 --> 02:48:31,500
I'm like you.

1823
02:48:31,640 --> 02:48:33,300
I love having the joint public hearings.

1824
02:48:34,840 --> 02:48:37,300
I'd like even more at the turn of the year

1825
02:48:37,300 --> 02:48:41,780
to have a joint work session after they've had their public hearings.

1826
02:48:42,240 --> 02:48:44,400
That would be very valuable, I think.

1827
02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:48,520
I know they'd want to participate in that because they've worked hard on that.

1828
02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:49,820
That sounds, that sounds like great.

1829
02:48:49,820 --> 02:48:54,260
Yeah, because they know it's a far greater level of detail than any of us ever would.

1830
02:48:54,460 --> 02:48:57,800
And I just think it would be very useful for us to hear from them if we have questions.

1831
02:48:58,760 --> 02:48:59,300
That sounds good.

1832
02:49:00,320 --> 02:49:01,140
All right, Tom Andrew.

1833
02:49:01,140 --> 02:49:30,820
So so David tomorrow you'll you'll give me an updated calendar sketch based on what they just said we're working on an updated calendar based on this for the for the town council we'll also communicate that back to the planning commission so that they will they've been wanting to take into account what you want to do in terms of the thinking about it so now they'll just do it on the schedule that makes most sense for them and then bring it forward but we'll do both of those. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1834
02:49:31,140 --> 02:49:34,800
And I think Nicole Toulouse has a brief commercial for us.

1835
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:38,900
Come on, maybe it's not brief.

1836
02:49:39,640 --> 02:49:51,320
I don't know if it's a commercial, but just a general update, I know that I had a conversation with a council member to about any updates on the Nova Parks project that's publicly available for your consumption.

1837
02:49:51,540 --> 02:49:54,880
And then we can have conversations about back and forth maybe at a different point.

1838
02:49:55,380 --> 02:49:59,320
But Nova Parks will have a new executive director that's coming online.

1839
02:49:59,320 --> 02:49:59,980
and I'm sure you'll...

1840
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:29,980
I'll know Justin Wilson, who is the mayor of Alexandria for a long time, and he'll be coming on replacing Paul Gilbert. So we'll want to make sure there's continuity with that project and him moving forward. We have come up with a draft MOU with town council, the councilor, even see Berlia, and we're hoping to finalize that. But things that have been discussed and generally agreed upon include things like the fact that the town would own

1841
02:50:29,980 --> 02:50:37,040
the actual land and the property improvements and operation of the stilts building site would be

1842
02:50:38,740 --> 02:50:40,880
improved and operated by Nova Parks.

1843
02:50:41,540 --> 02:50:46,800
The bank building where posh is currently located would be operated and improved by the town.

1844
02:50:47,940 --> 02:50:50,680
And Nova Parks at one of their recent board meetings

1845
02:50:50,680 --> 02:50:55,720
allocated and approved up to $4.5 million for improvements on the site.

1846
02:50:56,420 --> 02:51:14,680
So it wasn't specified that it had to be that site, so I still want to clarify that we are still doing a site selection business attraction basically effort here to make sure that we solidify Vienna as their destination to put the WNOD visitor center at as opposed to another location.

1847
02:51:15,480 --> 02:51:23,720
So that's a part of ongoing conversation but they have allocated a few million dollars to a WNOD trail visitor center.

1848
02:51:23,720 --> 02:51:29,380
So they've put that money forward, and that's a very important step forward, I think, for us to be aware of.

1849
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:31,180
Thank you, okay, thank you.

1850
02:51:31,300 --> 02:51:32,440
Thank you for the commercial.

1851
02:51:32,960 --> 02:51:37,300
And lastly, on October 20th, we have a work session.

1852
02:51:37,860 --> 02:51:48,280
And I would like to get you all's input on the order of the items because it is going to be an unusual work session to some degree.

1853
02:51:49,100 --> 02:51:52,340
So if you have a look on page four that I handed out to you all.

1854
02:51:52,340 --> 02:51:56,600
we have all board and commission annual reports that night.

1855
02:51:59,490 --> 02:52:02,310
So all the board and commission is going to give their annual reports.

1856
02:52:02,990 --> 02:52:06,610
We also have the noise ordinance amendments.

1857
02:52:07,650 --> 02:52:12,810
I think there's a chief Morris and Council Member Anderson are tag teaming on that.

1858
02:52:14,330 --> 02:52:20,830
And then we have also a third item legislative agenda with delegate, our delegate and our senator.

1859
02:52:23,000 --> 02:52:25,120
and then we just added the CIP.

1860
02:52:27,660 --> 02:52:30,060
So as far as an order is concerned,

1861
02:52:30,980 --> 02:52:32,360
does it not matter to you all?

1862
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:34,200
Should the legislature of agenda go first

1863
02:52:34,200 --> 02:52:35,640
because there are delegate in our senator?

1864
02:52:37,020 --> 02:52:37,100
Like,

1865
02:52:37,820 --> 02:52:39,460
the board's in commission is going to be here.

1866
02:52:39,640 --> 02:52:41,560
Like yeah, this is going to be a different kind of work session.

1867
02:52:42,200 --> 02:52:45,280
I would say legislative agenda should go first

1868
02:52:45,280 --> 02:52:48,200
for two reasons because there are delegate in our senator

1869
02:52:48,200 --> 02:52:50,260
and we can afford them that.

1870
02:52:50,460 --> 02:52:50,600
Okay.

1871
02:52:50,980 --> 02:52:52,640
And also because our town attorney

1872
02:52:52,640 --> 02:52:56,340
we're paying him by the hour so I think he should go first.

1873
02:52:57,960 --> 02:53:03,980
And then I would suggest the board and commissions go next because they are our residents

1874
02:53:03,980 --> 02:53:06,500
that are serving and we don't want them to have to stay up too late.

1875
02:53:07,560 --> 02:53:16,180
And then I would say CIP because that's really important and we've got to really be a little

1876
02:53:16,180 --> 02:53:19,860
more bright eyed and bushy tailed and we're talking about that and then he's ordained.

1877
02:53:19,900 --> 02:53:21,080
That would be my suggestion.

1878
02:53:21,080 --> 02:53:22,440
and then noise ordinance.

1879
02:53:22,560 --> 02:53:23,440
And then noise ordinance.

1880
02:53:24,280 --> 02:53:24,720
Okay.

1881
02:53:25,080 --> 02:53:26,020
Nothing against you, Chuck.

1882
02:53:26,580 --> 02:53:27,020
Promise.

1883
02:53:27,420 --> 02:53:31,100
I'm just thinking of, you know, being, being,

1884
02:53:31,280 --> 02:53:32,840
because the noise ordinance is something

1885
02:53:32,840 --> 02:53:34,200
we might need more time.

1886
02:53:34,420 --> 02:53:37,200
I mean, the CIP, we've really got to nail down

1887
02:53:37,200 --> 02:53:38,120
and I think that.

1888
02:53:38,520 --> 02:53:39,940
And the SAP discussion might be short.

1889
02:53:40,300 --> 02:53:40,780
Yeah, right.

1890
02:53:41,000 --> 02:53:41,180
Exactly.

1891
02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:41,960
Maybe it is.

1892
02:53:42,060 --> 02:53:42,540
It might be short.

1893
02:53:42,660 --> 02:53:43,220
True, true, true.

1894
02:53:43,740 --> 02:53:43,860
Yeah.

1895
02:53:51,540 --> 02:53:51,980
Sure.

1896
02:53:54,940 --> 02:53:56,160
Oh, I think.

1897
02:53:56,760 --> 02:53:57,200
Right.

1898
02:53:57,960 --> 02:53:58,400
Right.

1899
02:53:58,400 --> 02:53:58,560
Right.

1900
02:53:59,700 --> 02:54:02,200
Eight or eight or eight or eight or so?

1901
02:54:02,620 --> 02:54:02,840
Right.

1902
02:54:04,500 --> 02:54:04,940
Right.

1903
02:54:05,940 --> 02:54:06,380
Right.

1904
02:54:06,540 --> 02:54:10,400
So it could be five minutes, I mean, it could be five to seven minutes, or it could be

1905
02:54:10,400 --> 02:54:13,520
five minutes with, you know, because we might have some questions.

1906
02:54:14,280 --> 02:54:17,300
So we could say five minute presentation.

1907
02:54:17,960 --> 02:54:20,240
Yeah, I think we've got six of them maybe that are active.

1908
02:54:20,560 --> 02:54:20,840
Five or five.

1909
02:54:20,860 --> 02:54:22,780
DCA doesn't do good.

1910
02:54:23,060 --> 02:54:23,080
Right.

1911
02:54:23,080 --> 02:54:23,380
DCA does.

1912
02:54:23,440 --> 02:54:23,940
Quasi judicial.

1913
02:54:24,600 --> 02:54:24,720
Right.

1914
02:54:24,980 --> 02:54:25,080
Right.

1915
02:54:25,080 --> 02:54:28,400
and I don't think V-PAC is part of it.

1916
02:54:29,280 --> 02:54:30,300
Right, no, I agree.

1917
02:54:30,860 --> 02:54:35,620
So the only reason I'm here is that we're,

1918
02:54:35,800 --> 02:54:37,960
he's asked me to put together the agenda item.

1919
02:54:38,180 --> 02:54:38,860
Somebody's got to do it.

1920
02:54:39,180 --> 02:54:45,750
So we've been telling them five minutes each.

1921
02:54:46,130 --> 02:54:46,510
Five minutes?

1922
02:54:46,890 --> 02:54:48,970
And we'd give us up a little time for questions

1923
02:54:48,970 --> 02:54:50,570
if we do or comment.

1924
02:54:51,570 --> 02:54:52,310
Yeah, I agree.

1925
02:54:52,490 --> 02:54:53,450
And we have to stick to it.

1926
02:54:54,190 --> 02:54:56,010
We have to be disciplined, yeah.

1927
02:54:57,190 --> 02:54:59,330
It's as much as them, for sure.

1928
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:29,820
We'll probably be relieved that they, they'll be, you know, have a much time. I'm sure they don't want to. They'll all have a annual report form out of the same way. Yeah. So you're able to see that. Right. And, and is that something time, Andrew, you can tell the clerks to, to relate to the, or, you know, right? Yeah. Yeah. We've been doing it through the liaison, but we'll continue that with the clerk. Okay. Good point. And then also Madam Mayor, members of the council, a little birdie just reminded me that the noise ordinance amendments is also

1929
02:55:29,820 --> 02:55:34,780
including Steve Brillier, our town attorney, and he likes to be at the top of the agenda.

1930
02:55:36,040 --> 02:55:40,520
So maybe it's legislative agenda and then noise ordinance.

1931
02:55:40,780 --> 02:55:40,900
Okay.

1932
02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:51,160
Okay, so that's, so noise ordinance is two, then abortion commission is three, N-C-I-P-S-4.

1933
02:55:51,480 --> 02:55:55,800
Okay. Okay, and an open discussion. Okay. Sounds good?

1934
02:55:56,120 --> 02:55:59,040
Thank you for your patience. Okay, sure. All right, are we done everybody?

1935
02:55:59,360 --> 02:56:00,540
Yes. Okay, good night.