right through it as well.
Oh my word.
» Okay.
Amen.
» Great.
I'm still exhausted.
Yeah.
I don't know.
They ask their whole life.
Good.
nephew
was 19 months. 19
he's
uh good evening everyone as is now 7
o'clock. Um, I would like to call the
planning and zoning commission meeting
of Jul J June 25th to order with a roll
call vote, please.
>> Commissioner Evans,
» Commissioner Evans,
>> absent. Commissioner Miller
» absent. Commissioner Miller
>> here.
» here.
>> Commissioner Sabborn,
» Commissioner Sabborn,
absent. Commissioner Soda
>> here.
» here.
>> Commissioner Stra
» Commissioner Stra
>> here.
» here.
>> Commissioner Weber here. Um, Chairman
» Commissioner Weber here. Um, Chairman
Grunt
>> here. Uh first order of business is
» here. Uh first order of business is
approval of the minutes uh from the May
meeting, the May 28th meeting. Uh
comments, concerns, edits
hearing none. Do I have a motion to
approve said minutes?
>> So moved.
» So moved.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Commissioner Miller
» Commissioner Miller
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner
» Commissioner
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Straka
» Commissioner Straka
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt.
» Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt.
Hi. Um, welcome everyone. For those of
you who have never been with us before,
get this out of the way right away. We
are an advisory committee. So, we advise
the village board. The village board has
the final say. Um, we may vote on things
today. Uh, they take it under the board
takes it under adisement, but again,
they have the final say on the matters
we discuss and vote on tonight. That
being said, uh, this portion of the
meeting, again, for those who haven't
been with us, is a public comment on any
issues that aren't on today's agenda.
So, any of the commissioners have any
public comments tonight?
Hearing none, anybody from the audience
have public comment on any issues,
gripes, concerns about the village?
Hearing none, we'll move on um on to old
business uh which is a continuation of
the public hearing case number 2605 at
8905 Planefield Avenue which was before
us in May. Uh the petitioner had some
homework to do and obviously they are
still working through that. So they
would like the case to be we had
continued it till tonight. Um they don't
have everything in order yet. So they're
going to continue uh the case to the
July 23rd meeting. So, that being said,
I'll entertain a motion at this time to
continue case 2605 to July 23rd, 2026 at
7 p.m.
>> So moved.
» So moved.
>> Second,
» Second,
>> Commissioner Miller.
» Commissioner Miller.
>> I,
» I,
>> Commissioner Sabotto.
» Commissioner Sabotto.
>> I,
» I,
>> Commissioner Stra.
» Commissioner Stra.
>> Hi,
» Hi,
>> Commissioner Weber. I, Chairman Grun,
» Commissioner Weber. I, Chairman Grun,
>> I. Uh, off we go. Uh, first case tonight
» I. Uh, off we go. Uh, first case tonight
in new business is a public hearing case
number 2609, a request for variation
from section 62-75, bulk yard and space
requirements to allow an increase in the
maximum building coverage from 30% to
36% to allow a detached garage in an
existing a single family district for
the property located at 3734 Raymond
Avenue. This case is a request for a
variation which triggers a public
hearing. I'd like to entertain a motion
to open public hearing for this case.
>> So moved.
» So moved.
>> Second.
» Commissioner Miller.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Swabota.
» Commissioner Swabota.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Straka.
» Commissioner Straka.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Weber. I. Chairman Grunt.
» Commissioner Weber. I. Chairman Grunt.
>> I. Uh. Because this is a public hearing,
» I. Uh. Because this is a public hearing,
I'm going to ask that the petitioner and
anybody that would like to comment on
this particular case to stand so I can
swear you in.
>> Please raise your right hand and repeat
» Please raise your right hand and repeat
after me. I. State your name.
>> I
» I
>> swear the testimony I am about to give
» swear the testimony I am about to give
>> the testimony I'm about to give
» the testimony I'm about to give
>> is the truth.
» is the truth.
>> The whole truth
» The whole truth
>> and nothing but the truth.
» and nothing but the truth.
>> Great. Um if you could come to the mic
» Great. Um if you could come to the mic
and state your name again and the floor
is yours to state your case and then
we'll follow up with the staff report.
>> Uh good evening. I'm Alex Hawky. Um do I
» Uh good evening. I'm Alex Hawky. Um do I
need to spell it or anything? Nope. I
live at 3734 Raymond. I've been there
for about nine years. Uh my wife and I
are trying to build a small one and a
half car detached garage. It's our
understanding the house had a garage
previously before we moved in, but it
was torn down for some reason that we're
not entirely sure about. Uh where the
footprint of the existing structure is
is the same footprint as the the
previous structure, which is right now
just a paved asphalt park. Uh we're
under contract with Stanley Garage
Builders. They're in permit review right
now.
I think I think that's it for the big
>> questions of the petitioner.
» The the fence that's currently there,
the wood fence that's around the parking
pad, is that going to be removed? Will
that remain?
>> Yeah, that'll get demoed with when the
» Yeah, that'll get demoed with when the
garage gets built except for maybe the
section, you know, between
>> the garage and the neighbor's garage
» the garage and the neighbor's garage
which has our gate.
» Um, any other questions of petitioner?
Okay. Um, if you could have a seat and
just in case we have to be recalled.
Staff, the floor is yours.
>> Okay. 3734.
» Okay. 3734.
I will premise this whole thing that
ever since these these two petitions I
came I keep getting them confused. So
that's I don't know why they're close to
each other. They're very similar. And so
I apologize for all of my confusion over
the last couple weeks. Anyway, I'm
getting older. Uh, here's a survey. You
can see the the what we'll call a
parking pad right now in along the alley
there which was what the old garage was.
Uh there's the front of the house. Of
course, there's the environs there. It's
zoned a single family as all the
surrounding properties are.
This is the parking pad. Uh you see the
the fence that I guess you talked about,
commissioner,
as always has the plans. It's it's not a
huge garage as he said, one and a half
cars.
I'll call it twocar garage, but it's a
small two-car garage. The height is
fine. They dimension it to the peak. Of
course, we dimension garages as the
mean, but it works. Uh, pretty much a
standard garage. Got the 6275. This is a
30% to 36% coverage. And the numbers, I
have them in your thing. Uh, it goes up
about 220 ft. Um so from 1120 I call it
1130 square feet up to 1350. So give or
take
2 220 additional feet. Um they did
submit responses to these standards of
review as always and um I've just
forgotten the section number this
section the zoning ordinance where this
one comes from and we believe they meet
those standards and back up and we
recommend approval of the variation
request for this garage to be built for
all the reasons we have for garages
getting the cars off the street and and
all that good stuff too.
>> Questions of staff
Um although there's nobody from the
public present, I do have a letter that
>> Oh, I forgot received. I'd be happy to
» Oh, I forgot received. I'd be happy to
read it. Um this is from David Salaldo
at 3718 Raymond. My family located at
3718 Raymond is delivering this message
in favor of the increase of the maximum
building coverage from 30 to 36% for the
property at 3734 Raymond Avenue. The
increase in building coverage allowing
for the construction of attached garage
is favorable to us. It will likely
improve the value of the home in
question and the block as a whole. In
addition, the purpose of the code
section appears to be mitigate storm
water runoff on the property. There is
minimal functional difference between a
garage and an open parking pad and the
amount of storm water runoff experienced
by the block. And as such, we see no
downside to the increase.
That's a good neighbor. It's quite a
nice letter actually. Um, any other
questions of staff or the petitioner at
this time?
» Um, okay. I will entertain a motion to
close the public comment portion of the
hearing and open up the discussion to
the commissioners.
>> So move.
» So move.
>> Second.
» Commissioner Miller.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Soda.
» Commissioner Soda.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner.
» Commissioner.
>> Commissioner Weber. I chairman.
» Commissioner Weber. I chairman.
>> Hi. Floor
» Hi. Floor
is open.
Fellow commissioners,
>> I'm in favor of the variance requests
» I'm in favor of the variance requests
due to the substandard lot size of 30 ft
versus the typical lot size of 50.
>> I agree.
» I agree.
>> As
» As
again
water onto the subject property.
Beautiful job on the house.
» You want to do it?
» I have no additional comments.
I'm going to recommend approval of case
uh 26-09
for various v variation from 62-75
bulkyard space requirements to allow an
increase in the maximum building
coverage from 30 to 36%
to allow a detached garage in an
existing family a single excuse me
existing a single family district for
the property located at 3736 Raymond
Avenue with the following conditions. Uh
the property shall be developed in
substantial completion with compliance
with the plans prepared by Stanley
Garage uh builders submitted within the
application and any gutters and
downspout shall be directed towards the
private property um rather than
second.
Commissioner Miller
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner
» Commissioner
>> I
» I
>> Commissioner Stra
» Commissioner Stra
>> I
» I
>> Commissioner Weber I chairman
» Commissioner Weber I chairman
>> I uh first step complete this matter
» I uh first step complete this matter
will go before the president and village
board of trustees at their July 13th
meeting. All the best to you sir.
Um on to the next case.
Similar to the last case, uh public
hearing,
uh planning and zoning council case
number 2610, a request for variation
from section 62.75, bulky yard and space
requirements to allow an increase in the
maximum building coverage from 30% to
32.27%
to allow a new detached garage in an
existing a single family residential
district for property located at 3741
Morton Avenue, Brookfield, Illinois.
This case is a request for variation
which triggers a public hearing. I'll
entertain a motion to open said hearing.
>> So moved.
» So moved.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Commissioner Miller
» Commissioner Miller
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Spabota.
» Commissioner Spabota.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Straa.
» Commissioner Straa.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt.
» Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt.
>> Hi. Uh, so just like the last case, um,
» Hi. Uh, so just like the last case, um,
petitioner and any public comment, um,
please stand and raise your right hand
so I can swear you in. I state your
name. I am
>> swear the testimony I am about to give
» swear the testimony I am about to give
>> the testimony about
» the testimony about
>> is the truth
» is the truth
>> the truth
» the truth
>> the whole truth
» the whole truth
>> and nothing but the truth.
» and nothing but the truth.
>> Uh please approach the mic and the floor
» Uh please approach the mic and the floor
is yours. Sir,
>> thank you.
» thank you.
>> I'm the homeowner and the current state
» I'm the homeowner and the current state
is we have a dilapidated old garage that
garage door is parallel with the alley
and next to it we have a big concrete
kind of driveway. plan is to build a new
garage where the concrete driveway is,
demolish the old garage and turn that
into grass because the new one's going
to open up into the alley.
And we're the v variation is for the
building space because we'd like to be
660 ft for two cars plus lawn equipment
and toys and that's allowed by the lot
size, but it puts us over the uh house
plus garage size.
questions of the petitioner.
Um, hearing none, if you have a seat and
we'll call you in reserve if need be.
Staff, the floor is yours.
» Thank you. U, I'll back up. Here we go.
This is the the larger lot than the last
one. It's uh
I measured it this afternoon for a fun.
It's about 365 ft from the other one we
just heard. So, we got we got these
things in the same neighborhood. Maybe
that's why I keep getting them confused.
Anyway, you can see on the top upper
right hand corner of the survey the uh
the existing garage, of course, the
driveway to the to the uh the south of
it. I guess that is that's where the new
garage will go. And uh it's it's great
that the old garage and the concrete pad
are removed and returned to green space.
So, that's a plus. Um, here's house
twotory brick house. Oh, you know, I was
going to put the picture of you with
your public hearing sign on there and I
didn't do that.
>> So, anyway, uh, it's zone A. It's zone A
» So, anyway, uh, it's zone A. It's zone A
all the way around it. Uh, there's the
dilapitated garage. And, of course, you
can see the driveway there. So, siloed
garage and that's where the the new
garage goes. The old garage goes away.
Um, this is the right numbers. So, um,
about 213 ft over the maximum 30% of the
lot should be 2250. This is 2463.
So 213 ft over
not a whole lot in the grand scheme of
things.
And the drawings the the we went around
with the architect on these a little bit
because he didn't like our numbers, but
we won that. And um
you know the garage meets the code, the
height and all those sorts of things.
There it is again. And you know we're
recommending approval of this variation
request just like the last one. They met
these standards. And there you go.
Recommended approval.
>> Questions of staff.
» Questions of staff.
>> Yes. I forget. Does the eve is the Eve
» Yes. I forget. Does the eve is the Eve
allowed to be in the sidey guard? back.
>> I say yes.
» Other questions to staff
hearing? None.
>> Um, I make a motion to approve.
» Um, I make a motion to approve.
>> Have to close the hearing.
» Have to close the hearing.
>> You have to close.
» You have to close.
>> Oh, sorry. You're right. My bad. I need
» Oh, sorry. You're right. My bad. I need
that back.
>> Thanks, Scott. That's it. Um,
» Thanks, Scott. That's it. Um,
I'll now entertain a motion to close the
public comment portion of the hearing
and open up the discussion to the
commissioners, which I already did
prematurely. I apologize.
>> So moved.
» So moved.
>> Second,
» Commissioner Miller.
>> I,
» I,
>> Commissioner Soda.
» Commissioner Soda.
>> I,
» I,
>> Commissioner Straka.
» Commissioner Straka.
>> I,
» I,
>> Commissioner Weber.
» Commissioner Weber.
>> I, Chairman Grum,
» I, Chairman Grum,
>> I. So, we already had Todd's comment,
» I. So, we already had Todd's comment,
and again, I apologize for that.
So
there sir,
» I'll entertain a motion at this time to
recommend approval of the variation from
62-75
bulk yard and space requirements to
allow an increase in the maximum
building coverage from 30% to 32.27%
to allow a new detached garage subject
to the following conditions. The
property shall be developed in
substantial compliance with the plans
prepared by 3SI incorporated dated uh
42126
last revised 5126
submitted with the application.
Um any gutter down spouse shall be
directed towards the private property
rather than into the public
that motion or entertaining motion.
>> Um
» Um
suggesting offering
So move.
>> Okay.
» I'll second.
» Okay. Um, Commissioner Miller
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Sabota.
» Commissioner Sabota.
>> Hi.
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Stra.
» Commissioner Stra.
>> Hi.
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt.
» Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt.
>> Hi.
» Um, good luck to you, sir. Um and again
this will be before the board of trust
the president and the board of trustees
on July 13th. All the best. Um
okay.
So now we're all going to be guinea pigs
and Libby will explain why in a minute.
But this is um the next order of
business tonight is a discussion of
property improvement grant request for
signage and facade improvements for good
time good X times Barberhop PLLC at 3501
Maple Avenue. Um uh this is a public
meeting to review the property
improvement program grant applications
for facade improvements and signage
improvements. There are two separate
requests. I'd like to ask staff for a
brief overview of the program as this is
our first time hearing these requests.
Libby, I'll turn it over to you.
>> Thank you, Chairman Gren. So, as you
» Thank you, Chairman Gren. So, as you
noted, this is the first time this
matter is coming before the PZC. Uh,
prior to that, all property improvement
program applications were decided um and
the applications were filed with the
economic development commission. uh the
board made the decision to implement and
adopt an economic incentive uh policy
which was adopted sometime in December
of 2025. And as part of that, we took uh
we took an um all the applications and
all the different programs that the
village offers and we evaluated where
they would be best served and which
commission it should go to. So, because
the planning uh and zoning commission
reviews architecture, site plans,
design, it seemed appropriate to bring
the facade portion of that to the
planning and zoning commission and the
board approved that within our property
improvement program. So, signage, if
it's only an application for signage,
that's still being decided by the
economic development commission for
businesses. If it's facade, it comes to
the planning and zoning commission. And
if it's both, so the board did increase
it from um 20,000 total to 22. So you
can add the signage of maximum of 2,000
and 20,000 for the facade. That's all
going to be heard before the uh planning
and zoning commission. So uh the
petitioners have the uh distinction of
being the first applicants before the
planning and zoning with their property
improvements.
>> Um thanks for that uh explanation. Uh
» Um thanks for that uh explanation. Uh
any questions of staff at this point
before we get started?
Okay. Uh will the applicant please stop?
It's not a public hearing so I don't
have to swear anybody in. Right. Great.
Um the applicant come forward make a
presentation regarding regarding the
grant requests. Come to the mic and
please state your names and address
please. And the mic is yours.
>> Awesome. Hi. Good to see you guys. Um
» Awesome. Hi. Good to see you guys. Um
thanks for having us. We are Mike and
Jessa from Good Times Barber Shop. Um, I
don't even know where to start.
Um, so basically we've been open since
August of 2022. Um, when we first
opened, we purchased the building. I
believe prior to that, I don't know the
exact year, our existing building at
3501 was open, but I think it was
abandoned for 13 plus years. And then L
maybe some people that are from here
longer know a little bit better, but
Linda Soal had owned the property for a
little gutted, flipped the inside, and
then we were able to purchase from them.
Um, and then we turned it into our
barber shop. So, we've always known
about the PIP grant ever since we first
talked with like when Paul worked here,
seeing if our zoning worked for barber
shop stuff and they always told us and
it was uh Kendra was the first person I
probably talked to when we were first
opening when I was like, "My gosh,
there's a young girl here." Like, I
thought I was going to have a wall of
something like just doubting us of
buying and opening everything. So, she
had printed out everything of where we'd
be able to put a sign if we got the PIP
grant, all that fun stuff. So that has
always been in our mind of wanting to go
after, but it was always, of course, our
first time opening the business, getting
everything running smoothly, figuring
out taxes as independent contractors for
the first time. Um, so now we're in a
place where we feel confident and ready
to put time and energy into this
improvement on our building of the
outside exterior. And I do know it needs
it like that. The shingles, the there's
birds in it right now. So, I just think
it's a really good time with the
beautifying of the fountain that we went
through, it getting reconstructed and us
being there. They got the sheds are all
getting all redeveloped. I feel like
there's a focus on eight corners right
now. So, to know that we could hopefully
get this going and fix our outside to
match our inside is why we're really
motivated to get it done sooner than
later and to have exterior lighting that
works in a building that doesn't look
like it's still closed down. And I
always joke that it looked like an old
oil change place with the if anyone's
familiar with the building. We we did so
much work to it ourselves too. Like I
know Belinda did the paid to get the
inside renovated with beach before it
was beach. So we have photos of all the
work sweat equity we did of like
painting the aluminum. Paul was still
the uh main zoning or permit guy. all
the things when we did the resale uh
inspection thing, we fixed everything on
that. I think the first month we got the
signage removed, which was that giant
billboard sign and then the billboard in
the back.
>> Um so I'd love to like if they wanted to
» Um so I'd love to like if they wanted to
look at any of the photos. I'm wondering
if the main thing is just figuring out
you guys, I'm assuming as zoning and
planning are going to just check with
our quotes what we're getting done is
worth what we're asking for of it. So
all that money is being used properly
and also that everything that we'd like
to upgrade on the exterior facade falls
in the realm of what this PIP grant is
for.
questions of the petitioner at this
point.
» Um, I have a couple. Um, have you talked
to staff about building permits if this
goes ahead?
>> They said that we didn't need architect
» They said that we didn't need architect
drawings regarding the awning, which is
probably the bigger the biggest of all
the fixes. Everything else is pretty
minor of like changing like sophets,
metal, uh, fixtures and everything like
that. And then I didn't ask about like
signing permits and all that stuff, but
I don't think anything is out of code
because I think signing and everything
has to be below your roof. I know
there's the issue with the pig on top of
beach going above and that's why our one
giant sign came down. It was above the
the building.
>> Um
» Um
>> well, you you would need a separate
» well, you you would need a separate
signage permit for sure.
>> Yes. Yeah. As far as the other stuff, I
» Yes. Yeah. As far as the other stuff, I
don't I didn't get as far as to know
what the permits would be for
>> and and I'll I'll explain why I'm
» and and I'll I'll explain why I'm
asking. um the the the drawings and and
again, everybody's guinea pigs here,
right? And you seem like you're really
anxious to get this done and beautify
the property, which we all appreciate,
right? Um that said, some of the images
that you sent us or me particularly as
an architect, um it's hard to figure out
what you're going to do. Yeah, I'd love
to talk and especially the main
storefront, which I'm looking at what
you have now, which to me is in terms of
the division of the windows and the
glass is somewhat interesting. And then
I see this picture of
>> flat glass and
» flat glass and
>> they did that. Yeah.
» they did that. Yeah.
>> And hold on, hold on, hold on. Flat
» And hold on, hold on, hold on. Flat
glass and a six panel,
>> no disrespect, Home Depot solid door,
» no disrespect, Home Depot solid door,
you know. So I I does that doesn't seem
to me to be an improvement to the
property. It seems like it's you know so
it it's hard for me to figure out you
know what you really want to do.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> And and that gets back to the question
» And and that gets back to the question
of the architecture because I think if
you're changing the storefront, which I
didn't see in any of the quotes, you
would need a permit for that. Um, I I'm
not sure
why you would need a permit because
you're you're pulling down the the
if if you do a roof, you need a permit
for a roof.
>> Yeah. They said it'd be under a roofing.
» Yeah. They said it'd be under a roofing.
Okay.
>> Yeah. So, just to clarify, the next step
» Yeah. So, just to clarify, the next step
would be to apply for all the permits
with our building.
>> So, they So, and and then that gets back
» So, they So, and and then that gets back
to, you know, if if you don't need an
architect and it doesn't appear that you
have an architect yet. Um and and the
renderings frankly show that you know so
I think it's and we can get to that part
in our discussion portion of it. So uh
but now at least I know the process.
Yeah.
>> So um that's the big question. Um the
» So um that's the big question. Um the
old shingled mansered roof awning there.
That's what Pat was worried. He's like
do they consider awning or roofing? And
then they said that it would be
considered an awning that it wasn't
structural. Everything's structural. So,
I guess the big question is what's
beneath that, right? So, the shingles
right now, they're some type of aluminum
connecting siding shingles and the
plywood behind it because I believe it's
at least from the 80s, if not possibly.
I know the building was built in like
70, I believe. The awning might have
gotten put on in the 80s, I think. And
the reason that there's just a light
acrylic sign is because all of the wood
behind it is completely rotted, like
smush, right? So, the big question when
I've talked with different contractors
was, "We don't know exactly what's
behind it." I do know that it's a uh
what's the word for the concrete though?
Um
I can't think of the word, but um
the stones
you say block.
>> Yeah, cinder block. Sorry. It's cinder
» Yeah, cinder block. Sorry. It's cinder
block building, right? So, I think if
that was removed, it might be cinder
block. I don't know if the bricks went
all the way up. This building at one
point was just a flat roof storefront
and then they put the furnace on top of
it of the steel roof and gabled it. So,
we just got our roof to get approved to
get redone with our insurance. And the
goal would be that when we get the roof
done that we could get the waterproofing
over the edges and get our st black
metal standing seam metal awning
replaced on that huge front of it that
takes up like the biggest chunk of it.
The windows are fine. I used to hate the
little squares, but I like them because
a few of them have a gas leak and that's
a simple $100 fix to redo the gas. We
used to work at Brookfield Barber and
the issue with one solid piece of glass
is that they get fogged up. They're not
you have to get really expensive if you
want it to be clear all the time and in
the winter. So, I have fallen in love
with our little squared things. Um, so
yeah, the biggest thing is having that
black standing
uh seam awning replaced that can
actually hold channel letter things
because of the water issue of the damage
to that wood, the electricity that's
there. We switched out the can lighting
when we first bought it and it maybe
only worked for a year. So, I think
there's an issue with the electricity
behind there. And with that, we would
It's a lot, but if we could get behind
there and we're going to take it down. I
get to redo the electric, get better
lighting so it's safer and looks better
at night. Um I we could put an exterior
barber light. I'd like to put an
exterior power like source like a little
extens um a box an exterior box so I
could put Christmas lights because we
decorate for all the things we do all
the events through with the town on the
circle. Um those benches were cheap. I
think I'd really like to switch them to
composite decking with iron. That would
look nicer, be safer outside with the
public when they do what they do
outside. Um but we need a a different
awning if we want to change um to have a
signage that can actually be held up.
And then as far as that, then it'd be
just all the other metal to match it.
And then there's the two siding on the
sides
and those it just looks like old house
siding. We painted it when we first got
it. It's falling apart. Behind it is
plywood that's getting water damage.
Like it's just old building. Um, we want
to switch this to Hardy. We're looking
longterm. We bought this building in
2022. We've worked in the Lrange,
Brookfield area, cutting hair for 10
years. We're gonna We live on Deo. Like,
we're going to retire here. So, any
money that helps us to invest in this
building is staying with us, staying
with the town, and that's kind of what
we're looking for.
» Other questions? The petitioners?
>> You answered my question. On page 51, it
» You answered my question. On page 51, it
indicates that under sighting there
could be vinyl, composite board, or
hardy board. And you' mentioned you
going with a board sighting.
>> Yeah, he put a full thing about the
» Yeah, he put a full thing about the
heart. I relooked at the one of the
contracts and they said that and I think
that'll last longer.
» Yeah, that was PAX rendering. I like my
rendering because it showed it. The only
other difference because after I
submitted the facade application, I got
the final quotes for the signage and saw
the different prices. The only thing
we're going to NYX and get rid of is the
circle with our logo light. We cut that
out for the budget so I could keep the
signage bigger to be more legible for
drivers. So, I just didn't update that.
I do have another photo rendering where
it would get rid of um that. So, it's
just the Good Times Barberhop signage on
that one because it was going to be like
8,000. Wanted to stick closer to 6,000.
We'll get
>> We actually have that.
» We actually have that.
>> Okay. I did put that in. I wasn't sure.
» Okay. I did put that in. I wasn't sure.
>> Okay. That and then I didn't photo edit
» Okay. That and then I didn't photo edit
benches.
And then as far as the color of the
siding, I I'm
>> I I haven't even sat down with the
» I I haven't even sat down with the
contractors of which one we know we'll
use to pick colors or anything. It's
very It feels very early in the process.
It's more to see if it's going to be
feasible. Now,
>> I do like the divided lights, the
» I do like the divided lights, the
divided windows. Yeah.
>> I think it adds charm, especially at
» I think it adds charm, especially at
night.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> And the biggest thing was the aluminum
» And the biggest thing was the aluminum
frames. They were aluminum when we
bought the building. And one of the
things was we did aluminum primer. We
coated the windows to protect them and
we painted them black and it gave it
more of like a farmhouse look. So, I
think having standing stain black, we
love brick. I'm going to some quotes
separately from this and do tough
pointing on it. I think it needs it. Um
that'll just help with that. And then we
have like a five-year plan of other
fixes that we want to do. We have a
small business loan that helped us
purchase the building. It matures seven
years. So we have three more years on
it. And I've been saying this for a
while now, but when I do that, I would
like to redo the parking lot. That'll
become another beautifying thing. So
we're just that's our heart. That's what
we're working on. And I think we're
going to use to the best of its ability
to fix this building and keep it here
for a long time.
» Other questions of the petitioner at
this point?
>> Okay. Um I have a seat. We'll call you
» Okay. Um I have a seat. We'll call you
in reserve if we need to. Staff, floor
is yours.
Okay. Comes back to me. U we all know
where the barber shop is. I don't go
there very often, but I know where it
is. I go by it twice a day. Um, of
course, here's the building with the
the, you know, the the front that we all
like those divided glass.
Put the sides here. View from Grand and
view from Maple because of course we we
always talk about four-sided buildings
and they're looking at doing all all the
sides. So, that's a good thing. Um, as
he said, there's two requests. You know,
the signage is up to $2,000. The bulk of
it, the exterior is up to 20. Both are
50% of of the cost, the eligible cost.
I'm just blow through these because
you've seen these are all in your packet
with the Home Depot door.
These were the the numbers. These are
all in your packet there. How they came
up with these.
Well, the number we come to the $19,000
we go down to that. So they got the two
quotes as that's required
by the program. You can see the PACC is
396. The other one was a little higher
at 426. Um so that puts 50% at $19,800.
Similarly um
the signage come through here
you know wrong way here. two two signs
round numbers 5910 and 763.
Um so it comes down to $2,000 out of the
5100 cost for the signage
and that's what that's
you know all she wrote that's that's a
very simple process of the cost and the
rest is up to you guys
>> questions of staff.
» Okay. Um, as this is not a public
hearing, we're going to do this a little
more casually. So, we're going to open
discussion to commissioners, um, but we
may need staff input. We may need, um,
petitioner input as we discuss things.
Um, because like I said, this is the
first for all of us. So, um, bear with
us and don't take anything personally.
So, um, okay, I'll open in the
commission for questioning and
discussions. I just want to bring up a
few points. So, having read um kind of
the PIP information,
um the PIP is intended to encourage
exterior commercial property
improvements and enhance the appearance
and economic vitality of the village's
commercial corridor. So, I think that's
one of the points that we should think
about. Um there's also, and I haven't
written it down, it also says that the
PIP, and correct me if I'm wrong, staff,
can't be used for regular maintenance.
You know, so I think it's our within our
purview to figure out, you know, how
much of the money that the petitioner is
asking is actually for
enhancement and app enhancing the
appearance and economic vitality of the
village's commercial corridors and how
much of it is for maintenance. And it's
not their fault that the building has
fallen into disrepair. I get that. But
um so I think those are some of the
things that we can keep in mind and I'm
sure you have other thoughts. So
» go ahead Todd.
>> Sure. Sure. So in general to see
» Sure. Sure. So in general to see
>> in general I like the intent and I I
» in general I like the intent and I I
appreciate the materials that have been
presented. It's I do struggle with
what's been discussed versus what can
actually occur through permitting and
process. Right.
So I I believe some of these items can
be done without a true building permit.
They probably just be done with a
maintenance permit like roofing would,
right? It wouldn't need an architect
necessarily for that. So while I
understand what the applicant desires,
it's hard to understand what what
actually would be.
» I share that struggle.
>> So then we We wouldn't be able to learn
» So then we We wouldn't be able to learn
that it sounds like because the
permitting process comes after.
>> Well, we could ask for it. We could we
» Well, we could ask for it. We could we
could. Yeah.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> We're talking about almost approaching
» We're talking about almost approaching
this as a planned development, reviewing
materials, colors, final decisions on a
contract.
>> I I again, I don't know what our
» I I again, I don't know what our
latitude is.
I I think that that's the case because I
I think we're charged with is is are
these upgrades really enhancing the
facade significantly?
>> And if so, then I think we should grant
» And if so, then I think we should grant
the money. But if not, you know, you
know, is is pulling the old man roof
material off and fixing all this the
substrate behind it to me seems like
maintenance, but you know, I don't know.
>> And and if I can just um talk about PIP,
» And and if I can just um talk about PIP,
and this is this is new, so there's a
lot that's uh within your purview to
decide. The PIP program was specifically
designed for the three tiff districts wi
which happen to have more distressed
properties there. Um so there is some
leeway in terms of considering um what
would be general improvement to the
area. So in other pips that have been
decided and the PIP came went in in
2021. Um there's another example right
down the street on Broadway the um oh de
what is that Chris Watland's building
>> oh Winn's playroom. So that's one
» oh Winn's playroom. So that's one
example if you're familiar with that
kind of kitty corner to u Mary's um that
building received the full PIP and when
the applicant applied for it they were
looking for only redoing the windows and
at that time the the EDC looked at the
whole building and said can you can you
redo more of the structure paint it redo
all the windows so there was a
discussion about beautifying it and
that's part of what the PIP is for is to
enhance some of the buildings it's not
for straight maintenance though. Um,
tuck pointing for example, but removing
a mansered roof if that's within the
purview, updating outdated signage,
removing monument signs, it is within
that. Um, as far as what kind of
limitations you want to place on that,
um, we're just trying to be cognizant
within the the the grant and what
applicants can do. So, it's not a plan
development per se, but you certainly
have um leeway with architectural
standards, you know, renderings if
additional renderings are needed for the
permit process. So they they will have
to go through the permit process for
signage and so forth. Architectural
renderings are not required per se, but
it really depends on the project. There
could be one where they might be
required. So I don't know if that helped
or
>> go ahead
replacement damage or decorative
elements
and decorative elements
windows and doors.
So that's why I brought up that damage
because I thought that
>> right completely understand that is
» right completely understand that is
correct.
>> Y
» I feel first of all to say that I think
this business is a great addition to
that area. I mean that is such a tiny
building that you know what you've done
and what is in there now I think it
really has added to eight corners and
every time I drive by there it just
looks like
there's activity going on. So, I'm happy
to see that and I'm, you know, I'm happy
to hear that you would like to make
these improvements to the building. And
I think what they've shown us in terms
of the signage would
u be more readable to um to folks who
are driving around the circle
>> because it's not always easy to read
» because it's not always easy to read
something while you're trying to avoid
an accident driving around the circle or
even those that are walking or biking.
Um,
so to me it looks like, you know, it
would be an enhancement to eight
corners,
>> just the signage or everything.
» just the signage or everything.
>> Well, I think it depends on what we have
» Well, I think it depends on what we have
to,
you know, what we, you know, what we can
include,
>> I guess I'll say. So, whatever is um
» I guess I'll say. So, whatever is um
allowed to be included in this, you
know, I I would be in favor of it in
order approve it.
>> So, so let me throw back at staff in in
» So, so let me throw back at staff in in
terms of
you know, we we've heard a little bit
more clarity today from the petitioner
in terms of, oh, we're not going to do
that storefront, we're going to keep
this storefront. I think the Manser roof
is pretty clear what they're going to
do. But and they want to do black, but
they haven't picked out the siding
colors or, you know, because with Hardy
Plank siding, for instance, you could do
a lot more for the same cost, you could
do a lot more interesting infill in that
sighting than the lap sighting that's
there now, which is pretty terrible,
frankly, you know. So, I think,
>> you know, so I guess back to staff is
» you know, so I guess back to staff is
What is your if you if if this gets
approved and it gets approved by the
board, what is the end expectation?
>> Well, we we would
» Well, we we would
>> what do you think you're going to see?
» what do you think you're going to see?
>> Well, we would expect it to look similar
» Well, we would expect it to look similar
to the plan that they're they're
providing and the more detailed plans
would be once they receive their
permits, but if there's specific
conditions, so for example, if this
board said we would like to see a Hardy
board that is Xcolor as part of this
grant, that would be within your
purview. or we don't want we don't want
to see the six panel door. That would be
a condition that would be placed on
that. Uh previously when some of the the
PIP facade grants have been approved, it
was just based off of the general plan
of what um what the petitioner was
applying for in terms of overall
improvement. And the PIP the PIP is
really there designed to in recognition
of business owners trying to beautify
the properties. If I may, um,
>> some of our recent PIP for exterior
» some of our recent PIP for exterior
facade include Irish Times and Tishlers.
The one of the objectives of the program
is to improve the appearance of the
building. Um, as Libby mentioned, if um,
you had a request to consider in the PIP
application, um, we could add that as a
condition. uh they would go through the
permitting process and get all the
required permits for the roof for
signage. So that would all be met and if
it did require architectural plans that
would be required as well. So we do want
to see improvement on public facing
streets in a tiff district to make the
appearance of a building better and um
most of the applications that have come
through since 2021 included
um such improvements. Um if you remember
uh the style house on Grand Boulevard,
um they had a similar type of request
with the signage and with um colors. It
wasn't necessarily um um doing hardy
work that would require architect
architectural plans,
>> but I'm happy to answer any other
» but I'm happy to answer any other
questions about prior um PIP submissions
that may help guide you. But
>> no, and and I
» no, and and I
If if they don't need an architect,
that's great. As much as I love
architects,
um,
but I guess,
you know, going forward, we're setting a
we're we're setting, can't say that
word, gentleman. We're setting a
precedent here depending on what we
allow, what we don't allow. Um, I I
guess being frank, I'd like I'd like a
I'd like an image of what this thing's
going to look like. And I don't I don't
have that now, frankly, because now I
hear, well, we're going to keep this
storefront. We're not going to do the
other storefront that was in the
package. And we're going to we're going
to do Hardy Plank sighting, but that's
not really what's rendered.
So, I don't know. And maybe I'm being
maybe I'm asking too much. I don't know.
What do you think? What I'm hearing from
what Libby said is that that it can
start out being more of a conceptual
plan and then it's as
the process moves forward then the
details
>> right
» right
>> are worked out. But is that something
» are worked out. But is that something
that we need to review?
>> You can
» You can
well it depends on the scope of the
project. So, a facade could be a $5,000
facade. Architectural plans are not
generally required for certain projects
anyway, but especially for one that's on
a smaller scale here because we're
trying to encourage um you know,
encourage business owners to avail
themselves of the funds. But that being
said, because they are village funds,
you do have leeway. This is a slight
this is on the higher end because it's
the maximum that's being offered. So,
you do have leeway and conditions that
you can certainly put on it and and this
is the right form to talk about it. If
there's, you know, if you don't like the
signage, if the windows, there's a
different recommendation for that. Um,
and certainly the petitioner could also
answer if there's additional questions
on that. So, all of those conditions
would be put into place before they then
apply for the permits. Well, it has to
go to the board. So, once the board
approves it, then they would apply for
the permits.
See, and that's what what you had
mentioned, Karen, and that's my worry a
little bit is is if if we don't put the
conditions on it, and I'm not sure we
could get all the conditions tonight. I
don't But if we did,
>> if we didn't, then we will never know
» if we didn't, then we will never know
what it's going to look like. Right.
>> Right.
» Right.
>> I mean, I I assume they were doing new
» I mean, I I assume they were doing new
storefront with this, no disrespect to
Home Depot, but with the Home Depot door
until I heard otherwise tonight.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> So,
» So,
>> Right. So, if we don't have all the
» Right. So, if we don't have all the
information,
>> so your packet does include the current
» so your packet does include the current
renderings of what the building looks
like. And if you if you notice the um
current drawings and then you compare it
to the proposed drawings,
>> right?
» right?
>> Um I do see the I I did the door change
» Um I do see the I I did the door change
was that
» that's visible from the street. So the
door that was mentioned in it, that's
the weird thing with the property
>> there. That's what I'm talking about.
» there. That's what I'm talking about.
>> So
» So
that rendering was from PAC when we
first started talking.
>> You said that earlier. I understand it.
» You said that earlier. I understand it.
>> And he was focused on just showing us
» And he was focused on just showing us
the black metal scene and then getting
our done.
>> Right.
» Right.
>> So he had said on the app that they use
» So he had said on the app that they use
that he couldn't find a clear door to
show. So the windows and door the
is how it is going to stay how it is.
>> So now you understand our confusion,
» So now you understand our confusion,
right? Because this was this was in our
package as proposed, right?
>> And when we first talked when I talked
» And when we first talked when I talked
to him and he made that rendering, he
knew that we're doing black standing
scene, but he and I hadn't talked in
person yet fully about the options for
siding. And if there was input, I would
love it. I just hate our cheap
residential signing siding that's on
there and I wanted something that can
last longer. I knew is something but I
was asking about other options of
something that will be last long
now. Um it seems like board is a good
option. He was also talking about
board
So the door
and this is where it gets into the
nitpicking of what's allowed and not
allowed
in the specifics of the what is allowed
to be covered in it. It says up to a
roof line. So we have a dormer that's
visible from the street and that dormer
is our access door to our furnace. So
whenever you have the
That thing is like
shingles on it. The door kind of
whatever but you see it from every angle
like other maple but all on this kind of
so the door is that
we're going to do down there. So not the
front door, not the back door, just that
and then all the metal. So the trim
around the windows uh
metal and fashion everything will be
replaced.
I just feel like if we were fighting
about
able
to upgrade the building,
» it sounds like
this process could um be helpful to the
applicant, especially our commission
because we have architects and our
commission
that if it sounds permissible for them
to give for you guys to give
recommendations to the applicant
like she was saying. I mean is that
something that
>> is the absolutely that that's the that's
» is the absolutely that that's the that's
the whole intent of moving it to the
planning and zoning with previous PIP
applications. This would have been the
site plan that was approved and then
then they would come in for permits.
here there there is an opportunity to
have that dialogue with the petitioner
and make recommendations or even
conditions if there's specific ones
especially when it's a a grant that's a
maximum grant
and and this is the right forum for for
site design or any other
» they did one too
>> and they also building their first year
» and they also building their first year
and they did
pretty similar in a sense where they
painted new
stories are a little bit less and then
they change the exterior.
>> Yeah, that's the dental office.
» Yeah, that's the dental office.
>> Yeah.
» Cleaning it up.
just
building
while
painted the square windows that we
painted underneath the
little bit of paint that we threw on it
like just updated it so much more for
us. And just these these fixes like
all the way around. I think
more eyes
building
while driving.
» I think so too. And that's why I think
we should
take the opportunity to have some input
on what the finished product is going to
look like in terms of the type of
sighting and a direction toward color
a specific color but um
I remember
was harps realy was time and then um for
a And I I worked on the interior for
Linda Harps to bring the interior
cleaned up to code at least before you
purchase the property. So I'm very happy
to see
something
happen with this building
when you first opened. I was having to
see that. But now to make these
improvements
and bring more focus so to speak and
activity recognizable to everybody is a
great idea.
Um
I feel the same way
Trisha Grunt did
mentioned about a lot of these things.
I think that the sighting Should
the car be complimentary to the brick or
the the framing
of the windows?
He chose
it.
>> It was terrible.
» Have you for the infill of the elevation
that we're seeing there in the lower
part that has the window, have you
considered a face brick? That's a thin
brick. opposed to the vinyl or the hardy
brick or hardete.
I was wondering that too.
» I think depending on the manufacturer um
there are a lot of options available
that you might be able to find something
that's very similar or sensitive enough
to it
>> that it may match because right now
» that it may match because right now
>> there's such a distinction there's kind
» there's such a distinction there's kind
of
>> Yeah. And I I I think Todd makes a good
» Yeah. And I I I think Todd makes a good
point. You, you know, because you'd
still have to do a complimentary color
because you'd never you'd never find a
brick to match your existing brick, you
know. So, I think Chris's comment about,
you know, a color that's complimentary
to the brick rather than, you know,
because again, look at that. I mean, you
don't need an expert to tell you that,
you know, doesn't look that good.
>> Like a charcoal brick.
» Like a charcoal brick.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
that you know and that and I think with
the black metal
uh uh roofing on the Manser roof um
which I'm going to keep calling it a man
roof because that's what it is. Um I
think that would be that would be
better. Um and I I don't have is there
any issue with the mansered roof because
I think that probably is going to turn
out just fine. I would say on the the
>> metal the metal standing seam,
» metal the metal standing seam,
>> not the metal standing seam, but the
» not the metal standing seam, but the
entry into your the furnace area.
>> Here it's shown graphically in the
» Here it's shown graphically in the
white.
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> I think it should be black to match.
» I think it should be black to match.
>> That's what I think,
» right? Because there's no reason for it
to stand out.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. We didn't choose any color yet.
» Yeah. We didn't choose any color yet.
Like this is just
easily
including
that service store.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
Instead of neon green,
» what else?
» All right. I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm
gonna say this. I you know, again, this
is a first for us. I think I'd hate for
the petitioner to come back with
drawings that are more recognizable in
terms of what the end product's going to
be. It doesn't it doesn't seem fair
because I I appreciate their enthusiasm
and I think whatever they do will be um
you know you know and again architecture
a lot of people argue with me all the
time is I think in many respects it's
subjective you know what he likes I
don't what Jennifer likes Todd doesn't
you know so um but I I think the manert
itself in terms of standing seam metal
roofing is going to be a big benefit it
it'll show off the new sign. I have no
issue with the sign. So, um I'm I'm
prepared to to offer a motion with some
conditions if the rest of us are
willing.
>> I do recall
» I do recall
>> that in past cases on occasion we would
» that in past cases on occasion we would
leave some final decisions in staff's
very capable hands.
>> Absolutely. You could offer the
» Absolutely. You could offer the
commission can offer additional uh
recommend additional enhancements or to
materials. Um if there's certain
aesthetics, those can all be
appropriately recommended. Um they could
be conditions or they can s just be
suggestions to the proposed plan. Once
it comes down to the actual permitting,
they're they're going to have to submit
all the things that comply. But as far
as the aesthetics, the material, um any
other items
you can offer all of those.
>> So then that's kind of our wish list,
» So then that's kind of our wish list,
right?
>> Right.
» Right.
>> But it exceeds the budget.
» But it exceeds the budget.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> Well, and and that's where it comes down
» Well, and and that's where it comes down
to, you know, the petitioner, the scope
of their project, and what's realistic.
>> Some can be conditions, some can be
» Some can be conditions, some can be
recommendations. Um, this is an
especially appropriate forum because you
can offer suggestions to the proposed
plan that aren't necessarily conditions.
to the grant itself
and this is why it's with you.
» All right. Well, well, let's talk about
the the condition slrecommendations.
Um, I feel strongly about the existing
storefront to remain as a condition,
>> not a recommendation,
» not a recommendation,
>> including the divided lights.
» including the divided lights.
>> That's the whole storefront system. Yes,
» That's the whole storefront system. Yes,
>> I agree. Um, is that is that true for
» I agree. Um, is that is that true for
the side or are you just checking
>> just the the main entry storefront? I'll
» just the the main entry storefront? I'll
call it. How's that?
» Because I don't want to see what's on
that. I don't want to see what's on
there.
Um, and I think um,
you know, the the I'll call it a dog
house, the roof do house
>> to match the color of the black because
» to match the color of the black because
you're going to do the black sanding
seam roof. That was in both quotes that
I read.
>> So, I think that should be a condition.
» So, I think that should be a condition.
Yeah.
>> Yes.
» Um,
>> elimination of the six panel door. We
» elimination of the six panel door. We
covered that. We covered that, right?
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> And the service door should be also be
» And the service door should be also be
>> black. Yeah.
» black. Yeah.
Yeah. I'll put door. Okay. Um
the infill sighting, I'll call it. I'll
leave it at that. The infill facade
material
in reference to Todd. Um I I I
think that should be a recommendation to
make it something um complimentary to
the existing brick.
I mean I don't I don't know if I want
it.
>> What do you feel about how do you feel
» What do you feel about how do you feel
about that? Making a condition or
recommendation?
>> I feel
» I feel
>> because if if if this gets to be an
» because if if if this gets to be an
affordability issue, frankly, they could
leave the gray side the way it is,
right?
>> Which we don't want, but
» Which we don't want, but
I think recommendation is sufficient,
>> but the existing sighting is is a black
» but the existing sighting is is a black
or a gray.
» Is it really charcoal? I just drove by
past it today. It looked lighter to me.
>> It was a sunny day. That's why
» It was a sunny day. That's why
>> you can't go too dark.
» you can't go too dark.
I got
to get that.
>> Yeah, Hardy might be the you know.
» Yeah, Hardy might be the you know.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
And I like
that whole system like I can't change
that on you because I'm telling them
that we're using this type of material
that costs this. So I don't want to
change that.
>> Right.
» Right.
>> So I don't know what that looks like. So
» So I don't know what that looks like. So
that very flexible and
>> because there are other products just
» because there are other products just
like Hardy.
>> Yeah,
» Yeah,
>> Hardy is a brand name a brand name.
» Hardy is a brand name a brand name.
>> There's, you know, composite woodlike
» There's, you know, composite woodlike
composite materials that are just like
Hardy Plank.
>> They're all pretty much in the same
» They're all pretty much in the same
price point, but there's other
alternatives to to Hardy Plank.
>> Yeah.
And I'm looking at all the buildings
that have a similar style as ours and
what they do to
a little nicer. And there is one in
town. I forgot which one it is. It
almost looks like a style.
I think that looks cool. I just feel
like the looks like
>> like siding on an RV or something. It's
» like siding on an RV or something. It's
just not
>> Yeah. I mean, and again, that's why I
» Yeah. I mean, and again, that's why I
think we should call it, you know,
facade material because you could do
stuckco complimentary color to the
brick, too. That's,
>> you know,
» you know,
>> um but again, you know, you got two
» um but again, you know, you got two
little areas to do. So, I what that
price point would be.
>> Yeah. So
» Yeah. So
should be a condition.
>> A condition.
» A condition.
>> How do you define the condition a
» How do you define the condition a
durable
» I think um
>> complimentary
if the the village is up front or
essentially paying for this. I think we
should have some say.
>> Yeah. So confirming that the existing
» Yeah. So confirming that the existing
vinyl siding will be removed and
replaced with a compliment upgraded
compliment durable.
>> Yeah, upgraded. I like the word
» Yeah, upgraded. I like the word
upgraded.
>> But how far do we go in defining what
» But how far do we go in defining what
that material is
>> because we we've talked about thin
» because we we've talked about thin
brick. We've talked about composite
wood. I won't use the word hardy.
>> Stone stone stone stuckle, you know.
LP
>> LP is another that's LP and are the
» LP is another that's LP and are the
same. It's just composite wood. It's
called
>> vertical lines.
» vertical lines.
>> You could do vertical. You could do flat
» You could do vertical. You could do flat
panels and you could do um um
Or you could do Yeah.
>> You could do strips to match your
» You could do strips to match your
storefront squares,
>> you know,
» you know,
>> battens. You know, there's lots you
» battens. You know, there's lots you
could do.
>> Vertical would make the building look a
» Vertical would make the building look a
little look taller as opposed to
» break it up.
» And so that's why I was so
we have quote.
So wheat
and everything.
» What else
is that? Vinyl sighting that's existing.
Do you know?
>> So that's why you had trouble painting.
» So that's why you had trouble painting.
It
>> doesn't work.
» doesn't work.
I've tried everything.
Um, anything else? I'll take a shot at
it. We'll do the hard one first because
I don't think the signage is We have We
don't have a question about signage,
right? I think signage is good. And then
there's the on
there right now. It's like a breathable
aluminum.
>> So he didn't put it in the render, but I
» So he didn't put it in the render, but I
pointed it out to him. So they're going
to put
» is let me ask this. Is it existing
deteriorated siding? Is that fair?
>> It's visible. And that's on the rear of
» It's visible. And that's on the rear of
the building.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> All right. So, so we could say in all
» All right. So, so we could say in all
areas where you have existing
deteriorating siding,
>> you're going to replace with the same
» you're going to replace with the same
material in all areas.
>> So, it's consistent on all sides. Yeah,
» So, it's consistent on all sides. Yeah,
that makes sense.
>> Okay.
» Anything else? All right. I'll take a
shot.
>> All right. I'll entertain a motion um
» All right. I'll entertain a motion um
at this time to recommend approval of
the facade grant request of $19,800
for property improvement grant request
at 3501 Maple Avenue with the following
conditions.
All areas of existing deteriorated
sighting will replace will be replaced
with an infill facade material
complementaryary to the existing brick
masonry.
Condition number two, the existing main
entry storefront system will remain as
is. Condition
three would be the black um doghouse and
door for roof
HVAC access
will be painted black to match the new
manered
metal standing seam roofing material.
So move
>> second.
» Commissioner Miller
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner
» Commissioner
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Stra
» Commissioner Stra
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Weber I. Chairman Grunt
» Commissioner Weber I. Chairman Grunt
>> I.
» I.
Um second motion is uh recommendation to
approve the signage grant request of
$2,000
for the sign as shown in the rendering
above.
So moved.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Commissioner Miller
» Commissioner Miller
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Sabota.
» Commissioner Sabota.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner.
» Commissioner.
>> Hi.
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Weber. I
» Commissioner Weber. I
>> Chairman Grunt.
» Chairman Grunt.
>> I
» I
congratulations. We got through this.
Um I appreciate or we appreciate you
know your
um
attitude and updating upgrading this
property. Um
I like many of the commissioners
probably drive past this three times a
week. Um so and I do appreciate the
activity it generates and I think this
will only get better. Um I think we've
all learned a little something here for
next time around. Um I wish the
renderings presented were a little bit
better understand to understand and
that's no reflection on you. Um but um
had you know we had a clear picture, we
probably wouldn't have been here this
long. But it's fine. It all worked out.
So uh this matter will go before the
president and village board of trustees
on July 13th. All the best.
Um other business. Does we have a
department update from staff?
>> Uh not.
Um
then do I have a motion to adjourn the
planning and zoning meeting for June
25th at 8:10?
>> So moved.
» So moved.
>> Second.
» Commissioner Miller
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Saboda.
» Commissioner Saboda.
>> I.
» I.
>> Commissioner Straka.
» Commissioner Straka.
>> Hi.
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grum.
» Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grum.
>> Hi.
» Thanks everyone.
» That was fun.
We we appre we appreciate you staying.
We do both people
» yellow.
» Did you see what it used to look like?
Do you guys know Scott's pet shop?