1 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:41,910 right through it as well. 2 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,870 Oh my word. 3 00:01:46,880 --> 00:02:10,229 » Okay. 4 00:02:10,239 --> 00:02:23,190 Amen. 5 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,309 » Great. 6 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:56,229 I'm still exhausted. 7 00:02:56,239 --> 00:03:06,869 Yeah. 8 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:15,990 I don't know. 9 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:36,390 They ask their whole life. 10 00:03:36,400 --> 00:04:13,030 Good. 11 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,920 nephew 12 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:25,030 was 19 months. 19 13 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:31,670 he's 14 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,680 uh good evening everyone as is now 7 15 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,520 o'clock. Um, I would like to call the 16 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,280 planning and zoning commission meeting 17 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:42,400 of Jul J June 25th to order with a roll 18 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,479 call vote, please. 19 00:04:44,479 --> 00:04:47,189 >> Commissioner Evans, 20 00:04:47,189 --> 00:04:47,199 » Commissioner Evans, 21 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:49,749 >> absent. Commissioner Miller 22 00:04:49,749 --> 00:04:49,759 » absent. Commissioner Miller 23 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:51,110 >> here. 24 00:04:51,110 --> 00:04:51,120 » here. 25 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,670 >> Commissioner Sabborn, 26 00:04:53,670 --> 00:04:53,680 » Commissioner Sabborn, 27 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,080 absent. Commissioner Soda 28 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:56,950 >> here. 29 00:04:56,950 --> 00:04:56,960 » here. 30 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:57,909 >> Commissioner Stra 31 00:04:57,909 --> 00:04:57,919 » Commissioner Stra 32 00:04:57,919 --> 00:04:58,629 >> here. 33 00:04:58,629 --> 00:04:58,639 » here. 34 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:02,150 >> Commissioner Weber here. Um, Chairman 35 00:05:02,150 --> 00:05:02,160 » Commissioner Weber here. Um, Chairman 36 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:02,560 Grunt 37 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,030 >> here. Uh first order of business is 38 00:05:05,030 --> 00:05:05,040 » here. Uh first order of business is 39 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,520 approval of the minutes uh from the May 40 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,520 meeting, the May 28th meeting. Uh 41 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,479 comments, concerns, edits 42 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:16,080 hearing none. Do I have a motion to 43 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,840 approve said minutes? 44 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:18,710 >> So moved. 45 00:05:18,710 --> 00:05:18,720 » So moved. 46 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,029 >> Second. 47 00:05:21,029 --> 00:05:21,039 » Second. 48 00:05:21,039 --> 00:05:23,110 >> Commissioner Miller 49 00:05:23,110 --> 00:05:23,120 » Commissioner Miller 50 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,230 >> I. 51 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:24,240 » I. 52 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,510 >> Commissioner 53 00:05:25,510 --> 00:05:25,520 » Commissioner 54 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,230 >> I. 55 00:05:26,230 --> 00:05:26,240 » I. 56 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,510 >> Commissioner Straka 57 00:05:27,510 --> 00:05:27,520 » Commissioner Straka 58 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:28,150 >> I. 59 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:28,160 » I. 60 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,189 >> Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt. 61 00:05:31,189 --> 00:05:31,199 » Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt. 62 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:34,479 Hi. Um, welcome everyone. For those of 63 00:05:34,479 --> 00:05:36,720 you who have never been with us before, 64 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,400 get this out of the way right away. We 65 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,360 are an advisory committee. So, we advise 66 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,280 the village board. The village board has 67 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:46,639 the final say. Um, we may vote on things 68 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:49,039 today. Uh, they take it under the board 69 00:05:49,039 --> 00:05:50,639 takes it under adisement, but again, 70 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:53,120 they have the final say on the matters 71 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,639 we discuss and vote on tonight. That 72 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:58,400 being said, uh, this portion of the 73 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,520 meeting, again, for those who haven't 74 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,639 been with us, is a public comment on any 75 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:05,440 issues that aren't on today's agenda. 76 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,280 So, any of the commissioners have any 77 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,319 public comments tonight? 78 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:12,800 Hearing none, anybody from the audience 79 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,440 have public comment on any issues, 80 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,639 gripes, concerns about the village? 81 00:06:18,639 --> 00:06:22,160 Hearing none, we'll move on um on to old 82 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,960 business uh which is a continuation of 83 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,919 the public hearing case number 2605 at 84 00:06:27,919 --> 00:06:30,560 8905 Planefield Avenue which was before 85 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,520 us in May. Uh the petitioner had some 86 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,600 homework to do and obviously they are 87 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,280 still working through that. So they 88 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:38,880 would like the case to be we had 89 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,520 continued it till tonight. Um they don't 90 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,360 have everything in order yet. So they're 91 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,600 going to continue uh the case to the 92 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,240 July 23rd meeting. So, that being said, 93 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,479 I'll entertain a motion at this time to 94 00:06:50,479 --> 00:06:55,280 continue case 2605 to July 23rd, 2026 at 95 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:56,240 7 p.m. 96 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,749 >> So moved. 97 00:06:57,749 --> 00:06:57,759 » So moved. 98 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,070 >> Second, 99 00:07:00,070 --> 00:07:00,080 » Second, 100 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,189 >> Commissioner Miller. 101 00:07:01,189 --> 00:07:01,199 » Commissioner Miller. 102 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:01,830 >> I, 103 00:07:01,830 --> 00:07:01,840 » I, 104 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:03,110 >> Commissioner Sabotto. 105 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:03,120 » Commissioner Sabotto. 106 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:03,670 >> I, 107 00:07:03,670 --> 00:07:03,680 » I, 108 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:04,550 >> Commissioner Stra. 109 00:07:04,550 --> 00:07:04,560 » Commissioner Stra. 110 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,189 >> Hi, 111 00:07:05,189 --> 00:07:05,199 » Hi, 112 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:07,589 >> Commissioner Weber. I, Chairman Grun, 113 00:07:07,589 --> 00:07:07,599 » Commissioner Weber. I, Chairman Grun, 114 00:07:07,599 --> 00:07:11,430 >> I. Uh, off we go. Uh, first case tonight 115 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:11,440 » I. Uh, off we go. Uh, first case tonight 116 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,440 in new business is a public hearing case 117 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,759 number 2609, a request for variation 118 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:20,240 from section 62-75, bulk yard and space 119 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,240 requirements to allow an increase in the 120 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,280 maximum building coverage from 30% to 121 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,479 36% to allow a detached garage in an 122 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:31,120 existing a single family district for 123 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,759 the property located at 3734 Raymond 124 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:35,919 Avenue. This case is a request for a 125 00:07:35,919 --> 00:07:37,360 variation which triggers a public 126 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,280 hearing. I'd like to entertain a motion 127 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,160 to open public hearing for this case. 128 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,029 >> So moved. 129 00:07:43,029 --> 00:07:43,039 » So moved. 130 00:07:43,039 --> 00:07:46,710 >> Second. 131 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,680 » Commissioner Miller. 132 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:48,390 >> I. 133 00:07:48,390 --> 00:07:48,400 » I. 134 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:49,670 >> Commissioner Swabota. 135 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:49,680 » Commissioner Swabota. 136 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,230 >> I. 137 00:07:50,230 --> 00:07:50,240 » I. 138 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,589 >> Commissioner Straka. 139 00:07:51,589 --> 00:07:51,599 » Commissioner Straka. 140 00:07:51,599 --> 00:07:52,070 >> I. 141 00:07:52,070 --> 00:07:52,080 » I. 142 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,469 >> Commissioner Weber. I. Chairman Grunt. 143 00:07:54,469 --> 00:07:54,479 » Commissioner Weber. I. Chairman Grunt. 144 00:07:54,479 --> 00:07:56,790 >> I. Uh. Because this is a public hearing, 145 00:07:56,790 --> 00:07:56,800 » I. Uh. Because this is a public hearing, 146 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,560 I'm going to ask that the petitioner and 147 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,720 anybody that would like to comment on 148 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,479 this particular case to stand so I can 149 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:04,160 swear you in. 150 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,830 >> Please raise your right hand and repeat 151 00:08:05,830 --> 00:08:05,840 » Please raise your right hand and repeat 152 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,599 after me. I. State your name. 153 00:08:07,599 --> 00:08:08,710 >> I 154 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:08,720 » I 155 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,110 >> swear the testimony I am about to give 156 00:08:11,110 --> 00:08:11,120 » swear the testimony I am about to give 157 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,230 >> the testimony I'm about to give 158 00:08:12,230 --> 00:08:12,240 » the testimony I'm about to give 159 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:13,749 >> is the truth. 160 00:08:13,749 --> 00:08:13,759 » is the truth. 161 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:14,950 >> The whole truth 162 00:08:14,950 --> 00:08:14,960 » The whole truth 163 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,029 >> and nothing but the truth. 164 00:08:17,029 --> 00:08:17,039 » and nothing but the truth. 165 00:08:17,039 --> 00:08:19,110 >> Great. Um if you could come to the mic 166 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:19,120 » Great. Um if you could come to the mic 167 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,520 and state your name again and the floor 168 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,360 is yours to state your case and then 169 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,960 we'll follow up with the staff report. 170 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,749 >> Uh good evening. I'm Alex Hawky. Um do I 171 00:08:27,749 --> 00:08:27,759 » Uh good evening. I'm Alex Hawky. Um do I 172 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:30,560 need to spell it or anything? Nope. I 173 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,560 live at 3734 Raymond. I've been there 174 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:35,039 for about nine years. Uh my wife and I 175 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:36,640 are trying to build a small one and a 176 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,200 half car detached garage. It's our 177 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,959 understanding the house had a garage 178 00:08:40,959 --> 00:08:42,640 previously before we moved in, but it 179 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,120 was torn down for some reason that we're 180 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,519 not entirely sure about. Uh where the 181 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:48,959 footprint of the existing structure is 182 00:08:48,959 --> 00:08:51,279 is the same footprint as the the 183 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:52,880 previous structure, which is right now 184 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,080 just a paved asphalt park. Uh we're 185 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,240 under contract with Stanley Garage 186 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,320 Builders. They're in permit review right 187 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,240 now. 188 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,600 I think I think that's it for the big 189 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,269 >> questions of the petitioner. 190 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:11,200 » The the fence that's currently there, 191 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,720 the wood fence that's around the parking 192 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,399 pad, is that going to be removed? Will 193 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:14,959 that remain? 194 00:09:14,959 --> 00:09:16,949 >> Yeah, that'll get demoed with when the 195 00:09:16,949 --> 00:09:16,959 » Yeah, that'll get demoed with when the 196 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:19,040 garage gets built except for maybe the 197 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,120 section, you know, between 198 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,470 >> the garage and the neighbor's garage 199 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:22,480 » the garage and the neighbor's garage 200 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,389 which has our gate. 201 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:30,870 » Um, any other questions of petitioner? 202 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,600 Okay. Um, if you could have a seat and 203 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,680 just in case we have to be recalled. 204 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:38,480 Staff, the floor is yours. 205 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,949 >> Okay. 3734. 206 00:09:40,949 --> 00:09:40,959 » Okay. 3734. 207 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:42,640 I will premise this whole thing that 208 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,640 ever since these these two petitions I 209 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,040 came I keep getting them confused. So 210 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,800 that's I don't know why they're close to 211 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,880 each other. They're very similar. And so 212 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,080 I apologize for all of my confusion over 213 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,320 the last couple weeks. Anyway, I'm 214 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,399 getting older. Uh, here's a survey. You 215 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:00,000 can see the the what we'll call a 216 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,320 parking pad right now in along the alley 217 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,080 there which was what the old garage was. 218 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,000 Uh there's the front of the house. Of 219 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,839 course, there's the environs there. It's 220 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:11,680 zoned a single family as all the 221 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:14,720 surrounding properties are. 222 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,360 This is the parking pad. Uh you see the 223 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,320 the fence that I guess you talked about, 224 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,399 commissioner, 225 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:24,320 as always has the plans. It's it's not a 226 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,160 huge garage as he said, one and a half 227 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,760 cars. 228 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,360 I'll call it twocar garage, but it's a 229 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,200 small two-car garage. The height is 230 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,120 fine. They dimension it to the peak. Of 231 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,959 course, we dimension garages as the 232 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:38,560 mean, but it works. Uh, pretty much a 233 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:41,920 standard garage. Got the 6275. This is a 234 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,360 30% to 36% coverage. And the numbers, I 235 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,760 have them in your thing. Uh, it goes up 236 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:53,600 about 220 ft. Um so from 1120 I call it 237 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,079 1130 square feet up to 1350. So give or 238 00:10:58,079 --> 00:10:59,839 take 239 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:03,279 2 220 additional feet. Um they did 240 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:05,760 submit responses to these standards of 241 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,040 review as always and um I've just 242 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:10,320 forgotten the section number this 243 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:11,680 section the zoning ordinance where this 244 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,920 one comes from and we believe they meet 245 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,079 those standards and back up and we 246 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:20,079 recommend approval of the variation 247 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:23,519 request for this garage to be built for 248 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:25,120 all the reasons we have for garages 249 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,200 getting the cars off the street and and 250 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,519 all that good stuff too. 251 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:33,990 >> Questions of staff 252 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,760 Um although there's nobody from the 253 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,560 public present, I do have a letter that 254 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:41,269 >> Oh, I forgot received. I'd be happy to 255 00:11:41,269 --> 00:11:41,279 » Oh, I forgot received. I'd be happy to 256 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:46,320 read it. Um this is from David Salaldo 257 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,000 at 3718 Raymond. My family located at 258 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,079 3718 Raymond is delivering this message 259 00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:53,920 in favor of the increase of the maximum 260 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,040 building coverage from 30 to 36% for the 261 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,839 property at 3734 Raymond Avenue. The 262 00:11:59,839 --> 00:12:01,120 increase in building coverage allowing 263 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,880 for the construction of attached garage 264 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,040 is favorable to us. It will likely 265 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,480 improve the value of the home in 266 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,639 question and the block as a whole. In 267 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:09,920 addition, the purpose of the code 268 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,320 section appears to be mitigate storm 269 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,399 water runoff on the property. There is 270 00:12:14,399 --> 00:12:16,079 minimal functional difference between a 271 00:12:16,079 --> 00:12:18,000 garage and an open parking pad and the 272 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,760 amount of storm water runoff experienced 273 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,839 by the block. And as such, we see no 274 00:12:21,839 --> 00:12:24,399 downside to the increase. 275 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:26,000 That's a good neighbor. It's quite a 276 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,360 nice letter actually. Um, any other 277 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,880 questions of staff or the petitioner at 278 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:36,470 this time? 279 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,720 » Um, okay. I will entertain a motion to 280 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,160 close the public comment portion of the 281 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,000 hearing and open up the discussion to 282 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,600 the commissioners. 283 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,790 >> So move. 284 00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:44,800 » So move. 285 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,550 >> Second. 286 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:49,600 » Commissioner Miller. 287 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:50,310 >> I. 288 00:12:50,310 --> 00:12:50,320 » I. 289 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,430 >> Commissioner Soda. 290 00:12:51,430 --> 00:12:51,440 » Commissioner Soda. 291 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,230 >> I. 292 00:12:52,230 --> 00:12:52,240 » I. 293 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,750 >> Commissioner. 294 00:12:53,750 --> 00:12:53,760 » Commissioner. 295 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,990 >> Commissioner Weber. I chairman. 296 00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:56,000 » Commissioner Weber. I chairman. 297 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,670 >> Hi. Floor 298 00:12:59,670 --> 00:12:59,680 » Hi. Floor 299 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:01,600 is open. 300 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,320 Fellow commissioners, 301 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,949 >> I'm in favor of the variance requests 302 00:13:06,949 --> 00:13:06,959 » I'm in favor of the variance requests 303 00:13:06,959 --> 00:13:10,000 due to the substandard lot size of 30 ft 304 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,079 versus the typical lot size of 50. 305 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:16,790 >> I agree. 306 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:16,800 » I agree. 307 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,550 >> As 308 00:13:18,550 --> 00:13:18,560 » As 309 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,440 again 310 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,440 water onto the subject property. 311 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:31,269 Beautiful job on the house. 312 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:35,190 » You want to do it? 313 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,190 » I have no additional comments. 314 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,279 I'm going to recommend approval of case 315 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:43,040 uh 26-09 316 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,639 for various v variation from 62-75 317 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:49,200 bulkyard space requirements to allow an 318 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,480 increase in the maximum building 319 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,279 coverage from 30 to 36% 320 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:55,120 to allow a detached garage in an 321 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,360 existing family a single excuse me 322 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,360 existing a single family district for 323 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,760 the property located at 3736 Raymond 324 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,360 Avenue with the following conditions. Uh 325 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,639 the property shall be developed in 326 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:11,040 substantial completion with compliance 327 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:12,800 with the plans prepared by Stanley 328 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,440 Garage uh builders submitted within the 329 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,920 application and any gutters and 330 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,680 downspout shall be directed towards the 331 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,800 private property um rather than 332 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:31,350 second. 333 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:32,639 Commissioner Miller 334 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:33,990 >> I. 335 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:34,000 » I. 336 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,269 >> Commissioner 337 00:14:35,269 --> 00:14:35,279 » Commissioner 338 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:36,150 >> I 339 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:36,160 » I 340 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,189 >> Commissioner Stra 341 00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:37,199 » Commissioner Stra 342 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:37,750 >> I 343 00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:37,760 » I 344 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,230 >> Commissioner Weber I chairman 345 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:40,240 » Commissioner Weber I chairman 346 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,189 >> I uh first step complete this matter 347 00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:43,199 » I uh first step complete this matter 348 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:45,120 will go before the president and village 349 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,839 board of trustees at their July 13th 350 00:14:47,839 --> 00:14:55,030 meeting. All the best to you sir. 351 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,000 Um on to the next case. 352 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,079 Similar to the last case, uh public 353 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:01,839 hearing, 354 00:15:01,839 --> 00:15:03,440 uh planning and zoning council case 355 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,600 number 2610, a request for variation 356 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,800 from section 62.75, bulky yard and space 357 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,560 requirements to allow an increase in the 358 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,360 maximum building coverage from 30% to 359 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,519 32.27% 360 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:17,839 to allow a new detached garage in an 361 00:15:17,839 --> 00:15:20,320 existing a single family residential 362 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,440 district for property located at 3741 363 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,240 Morton Avenue, Brookfield, Illinois. 364 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,000 This case is a request for variation 365 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,760 which triggers a public hearing. I'll 366 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,959 entertain a motion to open said hearing. 367 00:15:32,959 --> 00:15:34,310 >> So moved. 368 00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:34,320 » So moved. 369 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,269 >> Second. 370 00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:37,279 » Second. 371 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:38,389 >> Commissioner Miller 372 00:15:38,389 --> 00:15:38,399 » Commissioner Miller 373 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:39,110 >> I. 374 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:39,120 » I. 375 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:40,310 >> Commissioner Spabota. 376 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:40,320 » Commissioner Spabota. 377 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:40,790 >> I. 378 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:40,800 » I. 379 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:41,990 >> Commissioner Straa. 380 00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:42,000 » Commissioner Straa. 381 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:42,470 >> I. 382 00:15:42,470 --> 00:15:42,480 » I. 383 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,870 >> Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt. 384 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:44,880 » Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt. 385 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,750 >> Hi. Uh, so just like the last case, um, 386 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:47,760 » Hi. Uh, so just like the last case, um, 387 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,279 petitioner and any public comment, um, 388 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:52,959 please stand and raise your right hand 389 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:54,959 so I can swear you in. I state your 390 00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:56,639 name. I am 391 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:58,949 >> swear the testimony I am about to give 392 00:15:58,949 --> 00:15:58,959 » swear the testimony I am about to give 393 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:00,310 >> the testimony about 394 00:16:00,310 --> 00:16:00,320 » the testimony about 395 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:01,350 >> is the truth 396 00:16:01,350 --> 00:16:01,360 » is the truth 397 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:01,749 >> the truth 398 00:16:01,749 --> 00:16:01,759 » the truth 399 00:16:01,759 --> 00:16:03,030 >> the whole truth 400 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:03,040 » the whole truth 401 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,069 >> and nothing but the truth. 402 00:16:06,069 --> 00:16:06,079 » and nothing but the truth. 403 00:16:06,079 --> 00:16:07,749 >> Uh please approach the mic and the floor 404 00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:07,759 » Uh please approach the mic and the floor 405 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:08,720 is yours. Sir, 406 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,470 >> thank you. 407 00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:10,480 » thank you. 408 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,189 >> I'm the homeowner and the current state 409 00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:13,199 » I'm the homeowner and the current state 410 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:16,720 is we have a dilapidated old garage that 411 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,560 garage door is parallel with the alley 412 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,240 and next to it we have a big concrete 413 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,199 kind of driveway. plan is to build a new 414 00:16:23,199 --> 00:16:26,240 garage where the concrete driveway is, 415 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,000 demolish the old garage and turn that 416 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000 into grass because the new one's going 417 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,560 to open up into the alley. 418 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,519 And we're the v variation is for the 419 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:37,360 building space because we'd like to be 420 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,560 660 ft for two cars plus lawn equipment 421 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,360 and toys and that's allowed by the lot 422 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,519 size, but it puts us over the uh house 423 00:16:45,519 --> 00:16:50,389 plus garage size. 424 00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:55,670 questions of the petitioner. 425 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,959 Um, hearing none, if you have a seat and 426 00:16:58,959 --> 00:17:01,440 we'll call you in reserve if need be. 427 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,390 Staff, the floor is yours. 428 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,120 » Thank you. U, I'll back up. Here we go. 429 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:11,520 This is the the larger lot than the last 430 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,760 one. It's uh 431 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,760 I measured it this afternoon for a fun. 432 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,559 It's about 365 ft from the other one we 433 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:21,760 just heard. So, we got we got these 434 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,439 things in the same neighborhood. Maybe 435 00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:24,959 that's why I keep getting them confused. 436 00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:27,039 Anyway, you can see on the top upper 437 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:29,360 right hand corner of the survey the uh 438 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,440 the existing garage, of course, the 439 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,760 driveway to the to the uh the south of 440 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,520 it. I guess that is that's where the new 441 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,160 garage will go. And uh it's it's great 442 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:42,000 that the old garage and the concrete pad 443 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,559 are removed and returned to green space. 444 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:47,840 So, that's a plus. Um, here's house 445 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,559 twotory brick house. Oh, you know, I was 446 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:51,679 going to put the picture of you with 447 00:17:51,679 --> 00:17:53,360 your public hearing sign on there and I 448 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:55,840 didn't do that. 449 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,470 >> So, anyway, uh, it's zone A. It's zone A 450 00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:58,480 » So, anyway, uh, it's zone A. It's zone A 451 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,400 all the way around it. Uh, there's the 452 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,240 dilapitated garage. And, of course, you 453 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,080 can see the driveway there. So, siloed 454 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,919 garage and that's where the the new 455 00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:08,400 garage goes. The old garage goes away. 456 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,720 Um, this is the right numbers. So, um, 457 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:18,320 about 213 ft over the maximum 30% of the 458 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:23,760 lot should be 2250. This is 2463. 459 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,880 So 213 ft over 460 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,400 not a whole lot in the grand scheme of 461 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,919 things. 462 00:18:29,919 --> 00:18:33,600 And the drawings the the we went around 463 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,120 with the architect on these a little bit 464 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,120 because he didn't like our numbers, but 465 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:41,440 we won that. And um 466 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,280 you know the garage meets the code, the 467 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,360 height and all those sorts of things. 468 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:48,880 There it is again. And you know we're 469 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,559 recommending approval of this variation 470 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:53,120 request just like the last one. They met 471 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:55,360 these standards. And there you go. 472 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,919 Recommended approval. 473 00:18:57,919 --> 00:19:01,350 >> Questions of staff. 474 00:19:01,350 --> 00:19:01,360 » Questions of staff. 475 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:05,270 >> Yes. I forget. Does the eve is the Eve 476 00:19:05,270 --> 00:19:05,280 » Yes. I forget. Does the eve is the Eve 477 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,640 allowed to be in the sidey guard? back. 478 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,029 >> I say yes. 479 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:19,750 » Other questions to staff 480 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,880 hearing? None. 481 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,310 >> Um, I make a motion to approve. 482 00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:26,320 » Um, I make a motion to approve. 483 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,990 >> Have to close the hearing. 484 00:19:27,990 --> 00:19:28,000 » Have to close the hearing. 485 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:28,789 >> You have to close. 486 00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:28,799 » You have to close. 487 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,190 >> Oh, sorry. You're right. My bad. I need 488 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:31,200 » Oh, sorry. You're right. My bad. I need 489 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,120 that back. 490 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:37,430 >> Thanks, Scott. That's it. Um, 491 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:37,440 » Thanks, Scott. That's it. Um, 492 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,039 I'll now entertain a motion to close the 493 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:40,240 public comment portion of the hearing 494 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,400 and open up the discussion to the 495 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,760 commissioners, which I already did 496 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:47,039 prematurely. I apologize. 497 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:47,909 >> So moved. 498 00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:47,919 » So moved. 499 00:19:47,919 --> 00:19:50,950 >> Second, 500 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,080 » Commissioner Miller. 501 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:52,789 >> I, 502 00:19:52,789 --> 00:19:52,799 » I, 503 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:53,990 >> Commissioner Soda. 504 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:54,000 » Commissioner Soda. 505 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:54,549 >> I, 506 00:19:54,549 --> 00:19:54,559 » I, 507 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:55,669 >> Commissioner Straka. 508 00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:55,679 » Commissioner Straka. 509 00:19:55,679 --> 00:19:56,150 >> I, 510 00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:56,160 » I, 511 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,270 >> Commissioner Weber. 512 00:19:57,270 --> 00:19:57,280 » Commissioner Weber. 513 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,870 >> I, Chairman Grum, 514 00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:58,880 » I, Chairman Grum, 515 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,070 >> I. So, we already had Todd's comment, 516 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:02,080 » I. So, we already had Todd's comment, 517 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,720 and again, I apologize for that. 518 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,039 So 519 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:11,110 there sir, 520 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,200 » I'll entertain a motion at this time to 521 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,760 recommend approval of the variation from 522 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,840 62-75 523 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,760 bulk yard and space requirements to 524 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,440 allow an increase in the maximum 525 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:26,320 building coverage from 30% to 32.27% 526 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,039 to allow a new detached garage subject 527 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:31,280 to the following conditions. The 528 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,640 property shall be developed in 529 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,400 substantial compliance with the plans 530 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,320 prepared by 3SI incorporated dated uh 531 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,919 42126 532 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:42,640 last revised 5126 533 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,039 submitted with the application. 534 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:47,440 Um any gutter down spouse shall be 535 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,280 directed towards the private property 536 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:54,310 rather than into the public 537 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,480 that motion or entertaining motion. 538 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,070 >> Um 539 00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:58,080 » Um 540 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,760 suggesting offering 541 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:02,880 So move. 542 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,149 >> Okay. 543 00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:09,430 » I'll second. 544 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,159 » Okay. Um, Commissioner Miller 545 00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:13,029 >> I. 546 00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:13,039 » I. 547 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:14,230 >> Commissioner Sabota. 548 00:21:14,230 --> 00:21:14,240 » Commissioner Sabota. 549 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:14,870 >> Hi. 550 00:21:14,870 --> 00:21:14,880 » Hi. 551 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:15,830 >> Commissioner Stra. 552 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:15,840 » Commissioner Stra. 553 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,470 >> Hi. 554 00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:16,480 » Hi. 555 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,870 >> Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt. 556 00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:18,880 » Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grunt. 557 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,710 >> Hi. 558 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,799 » Um, good luck to you, sir. Um and again 559 00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:28,640 this will be before the board of trust 560 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,520 the president and the board of trustees 561 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:36,880 on July 13th. All the best. Um 562 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,029 okay. 563 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,200 So now we're all going to be guinea pigs 564 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,760 and Libby will explain why in a minute. 565 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,000 But this is um the next order of 566 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,640 business tonight is a discussion of 567 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,120 property improvement grant request for 568 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,280 signage and facade improvements for good 569 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:00,720 time good X times Barberhop PLLC at 3501 570 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,480 Maple Avenue. Um uh this is a public 571 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,679 meeting to review the property 572 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:07,600 improvement program grant applications 573 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,360 for facade improvements and signage 574 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,120 improvements. There are two separate 575 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:13,120 requests. I'd like to ask staff for a 576 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,360 brief overview of the program as this is 577 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:18,480 our first time hearing these requests. 578 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,919 Libby, I'll turn it over to you. 579 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:21,270 >> Thank you, Chairman Gren. So, as you 580 00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:21,280 » Thank you, Chairman Gren. So, as you 581 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,559 noted, this is the first time this 582 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:25,039 matter is coming before the PZC. Uh, 583 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:27,200 prior to that, all property improvement 584 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,600 program applications were decided um and 585 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,120 the applications were filed with the 586 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,360 economic development commission. uh the 587 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:38,640 board made the decision to implement and 588 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,760 adopt an economic incentive uh policy 589 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,600 which was adopted sometime in December 590 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,600 of 2025. And as part of that, we took uh 591 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,640 we took an um all the applications and 592 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,760 all the different programs that the 593 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,280 village offers and we evaluated where 594 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,360 they would be best served and which 595 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,360 commission it should go to. So, because 596 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:02,240 the planning uh and zoning commission 597 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,720 reviews architecture, site plans, 598 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,120 design, it seemed appropriate to bring 599 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,120 the facade portion of that to the 600 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:10,720 planning and zoning commission and the 601 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,640 board approved that within our property 602 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,039 improvement program. So, signage, if 603 00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:16,799 it's only an application for signage, 604 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:18,240 that's still being decided by the 605 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,840 economic development commission for 606 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,080 businesses. If it's facade, it comes to 607 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,840 the planning and zoning commission. And 608 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,320 if it's both, so the board did increase 609 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,480 it from um 20,000 total to 22. So you 610 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,679 can add the signage of maximum of 2,000 611 00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:36,320 and 20,000 for the facade. That's all 612 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,919 going to be heard before the uh planning 613 00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:40,159 and zoning commission. So uh the 614 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:42,559 petitioners have the uh distinction of 615 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,159 being the first applicants before the 616 00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:46,000 planning and zoning with their property 617 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,240 improvements. 618 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,630 >> Um thanks for that uh explanation. Uh 619 00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:52,640 » Um thanks for that uh explanation. Uh 620 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,000 any questions of staff at this point 621 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,640 before we get started? 622 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,120 Okay. Uh will the applicant please stop? 623 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,039 It's not a public hearing so I don't 624 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,039 have to swear anybody in. Right. Great. 625 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:04,880 Um the applicant come forward make a 626 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,799 presentation regarding regarding the 627 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:08,480 grant requests. Come to the mic and 628 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,120 please state your names and address 629 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:14,320 please. And the mic is yours. 630 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,950 >> Awesome. Hi. Good to see you guys. Um 631 00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:16,960 » Awesome. Hi. Good to see you guys. Um 632 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,720 thanks for having us. We are Mike and 633 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,159 Jessa from Good Times Barber Shop. Um, I 634 00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:25,039 don't even know where to start. 635 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,440 Um, so basically we've been open since 636 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,400 August of 2022. Um, when we first 637 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,000 opened, we purchased the building. I 638 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,600 believe prior to that, I don't know the 639 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,400 exact year, our existing building at 640 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,039 3501 was open, but I think it was 641 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:42,320 abandoned for 13 plus years. And then L 642 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,760 maybe some people that are from here 643 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,039 longer know a little bit better, but 644 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:47,279 Linda Soal had owned the property for a 645 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,760 little gutted, flipped the inside, and 646 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,159 then we were able to purchase from them. 647 00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:54,320 Um, and then we turned it into our 648 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,799 barber shop. So, we've always known 649 00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:58,480 about the PIP grant ever since we first 650 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,480 talked with like when Paul worked here, 651 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,240 seeing if our zoning worked for barber 652 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,080 shop stuff and they always told us and 653 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,039 it was uh Kendra was the first person I 654 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,799 probably talked to when we were first 655 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,559 opening when I was like, "My gosh, 656 00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:12,000 there's a young girl here." Like, I 657 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000 thought I was going to have a wall of 658 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320 something like just doubting us of 659 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,039 buying and opening everything. So, she 660 00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:20,880 had printed out everything of where we'd 661 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,559 be able to put a sign if we got the PIP 662 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,960 grant, all that fun stuff. So that has 663 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,440 always been in our mind of wanting to go 664 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,600 after, but it was always, of course, our 665 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,279 first time opening the business, getting 666 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,279 everything running smoothly, figuring 667 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:35,360 out taxes as independent contractors for 668 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,760 the first time. Um, so now we're in a 669 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,080 place where we feel confident and ready 670 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,720 to put time and energy into this 671 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,240 improvement on our building of the 672 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,360 outside exterior. And I do know it needs 673 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,080 it like that. The shingles, the there's 674 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,320 birds in it right now. So, I just think 675 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,600 it's a really good time with the 676 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,120 beautifying of the fountain that we went 677 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:57,120 through, it getting reconstructed and us 678 00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,600 being there. They got the sheds are all 679 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,960 getting all redeveloped. I feel like 680 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,960 there's a focus on eight corners right 681 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,600 now. So, to know that we could hopefully 682 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,760 get this going and fix our outside to 683 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,279 match our inside is why we're really 684 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:13,120 motivated to get it done sooner than 685 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,320 later and to have exterior lighting that 686 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,880 works in a building that doesn't look 687 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,799 like it's still closed down. And I 688 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,039 always joke that it looked like an old 689 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,360 oil change place with the if anyone's 690 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,760 familiar with the building. We we did so 691 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,600 much work to it ourselves too. Like I 692 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,840 know Belinda did the paid to get the 693 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,799 inside renovated with beach before it 694 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:37,440 was beach. So we have photos of all the 695 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,840 work sweat equity we did of like 696 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,480 painting the aluminum. Paul was still 697 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,240 the uh main zoning or permit guy. all 698 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,640 the things when we did the resale uh 699 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,640 inspection thing, we fixed everything on 700 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,799 that. I think the first month we got the 701 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,200 signage removed, which was that giant 702 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,279 billboard sign and then the billboard in 703 00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:58,240 the back. 704 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,029 >> Um so I'd love to like if they wanted to 705 00:27:01,029 --> 00:27:01,039 » Um so I'd love to like if they wanted to 706 00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:04,000 look at any of the photos. I'm wondering 707 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,960 if the main thing is just figuring out 708 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,000 you guys, I'm assuming as zoning and 709 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,679 planning are going to just check with 710 00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:14,559 our quotes what we're getting done is 711 00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,799 worth what we're asking for of it. So 712 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,799 all that money is being used properly 713 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,200 and also that everything that we'd like 714 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,320 to upgrade on the exterior facade falls 715 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,720 in the realm of what this PIP grant is 716 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:31,350 for. 717 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,720 questions of the petitioner at this 718 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,990 point. 719 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,640 » Um, I have a couple. Um, have you talked 720 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,039 to staff about building permits if this 721 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,200 goes ahead? 722 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,110 >> They said that we didn't need architect 723 00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:45,120 » They said that we didn't need architect 724 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,120 drawings regarding the awning, which is 725 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,120 probably the bigger the biggest of all 726 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,559 the fixes. Everything else is pretty 727 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,720 minor of like changing like sophets, 728 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,440 metal, uh, fixtures and everything like 729 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,240 that. And then I didn't ask about like 730 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,840 signing permits and all that stuff, but 731 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,080 I don't think anything is out of code 732 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,000 because I think signing and everything 733 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,679 has to be below your roof. I know 734 00:28:05,679 --> 00:28:07,120 there's the issue with the pig on top of 735 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,679 beach going above and that's why our one 736 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:11,279 giant sign came down. It was above the 737 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:12,880 the building. 738 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,430 >> Um 739 00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:13,440 » Um 740 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,630 >> well, you you would need a separate 741 00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:14,640 » well, you you would need a separate 742 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,000 signage permit for sure. 743 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,990 >> Yes. Yeah. As far as the other stuff, I 744 00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:18,000 » Yes. Yeah. As far as the other stuff, I 745 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,760 don't I didn't get as far as to know 746 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,760 what the permits would be for 747 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,750 >> and and I'll I'll explain why I'm 748 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:23,760 » and and I'll I'll explain why I'm 749 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,039 asking. um the the the drawings and and 750 00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:28,880 again, everybody's guinea pigs here, 751 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,840 right? And you seem like you're really 752 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,760 anxious to get this done and beautify 753 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,679 the property, which we all appreciate, 754 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:39,120 right? Um that said, some of the images 755 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,159 that you sent us or me particularly as 756 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:44,960 an architect, um it's hard to figure out 757 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,640 what you're going to do. Yeah, I'd love 758 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,880 to talk and especially the main 759 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,440 storefront, which I'm looking at what 760 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,279 you have now, which to me is in terms of 761 00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:56,880 the division of the windows and the 762 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,720 glass is somewhat interesting. And then 763 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,120 I see this picture of 764 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,149 >> flat glass and 765 00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:02,159 » flat glass and 766 00:29:02,159 --> 00:29:03,110 >> they did that. Yeah. 767 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:03,120 » they did that. Yeah. 768 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,350 >> And hold on, hold on, hold on. Flat 769 00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:05,360 » And hold on, hold on, hold on. Flat 770 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240 glass and a six panel, 771 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,430 >> no disrespect, Home Depot solid door, 772 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:11,440 » no disrespect, Home Depot solid door, 773 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,320 you know. So I I does that doesn't seem 774 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,600 to me to be an improvement to the 775 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,600 property. It seems like it's you know so 776 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,720 it it's hard for me to figure out you 777 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,440 know what you really want to do. 778 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:25,830 >> Yes. 779 00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:25,840 » Yes. 780 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,430 >> And and that gets back to the question 781 00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:27,440 » And and that gets back to the question 782 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,679 of the architecture because I think if 783 00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:31,360 you're changing the storefront, which I 784 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,200 didn't see in any of the quotes, you 785 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,880 would need a permit for that. Um, I I'm 786 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,720 not sure 787 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,080 why you would need a permit because 788 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,440 you're you're pulling down the the 789 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,600 if if you do a roof, you need a permit 790 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,720 for a roof. 791 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,470 >> Yeah. They said it'd be under a roofing. 792 00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:48,480 » Yeah. They said it'd be under a roofing. 793 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:48,799 Okay. 794 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,870 >> Yeah. So, just to clarify, the next step 795 00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:50,880 » Yeah. So, just to clarify, the next step 796 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,399 would be to apply for all the permits 797 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:53,360 with our building. 798 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,350 >> So, they So, and and then that gets back 799 00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:55,360 » So, they So, and and then that gets back 800 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,559 to, you know, if if you don't need an 801 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,640 architect and it doesn't appear that you 802 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,120 have an architect yet. Um and and the 803 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,080 renderings frankly show that you know so 804 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,399 I think it's and we can get to that part 805 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:11,120 in our discussion portion of it. So uh 806 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,520 but now at least I know the process. 807 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,440 Yeah. 808 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,630 >> So um that's the big question. Um the 809 00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:18,640 » So um that's the big question. Um the 810 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,520 old shingled mansered roof awning there. 811 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,039 That's what Pat was worried. He's like 812 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:24,720 do they consider awning or roofing? And 813 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,840 then they said that it would be 814 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,799 considered an awning that it wasn't 815 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,799 structural. Everything's structural. So, 816 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,480 I guess the big question is what's 817 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,399 beneath that, right? So, the shingles 818 00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:36,640 right now, they're some type of aluminum 819 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,200 connecting siding shingles and the 820 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,440 plywood behind it because I believe it's 821 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,679 at least from the 80s, if not possibly. 822 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,200 I know the building was built in like 823 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,840 70, I believe. The awning might have 824 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,399 gotten put on in the 80s, I think. And 825 00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:52,000 the reason that there's just a light 826 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,240 acrylic sign is because all of the wood 827 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,480 behind it is completely rotted, like 828 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,640 smush, right? So, the big question when 829 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,159 I've talked with different contractors 830 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,000 was, "We don't know exactly what's 831 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,360 behind it." I do know that it's a uh 832 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,120 what's the word for the concrete though? 833 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,710 Um 834 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,039 I can't think of the word, but um 835 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,590 the stones 836 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,120 you say block. 837 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,590 >> Yeah, cinder block. Sorry. It's cinder 838 00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:23,600 » Yeah, cinder block. Sorry. It's cinder 839 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,080 block building, right? So, I think if 840 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,240 that was removed, it might be cinder 841 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:29,840 block. I don't know if the bricks went 842 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,919 all the way up. This building at one 843 00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:35,360 point was just a flat roof storefront 844 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,760 and then they put the furnace on top of 845 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,960 it of the steel roof and gabled it. So, 846 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,279 we just got our roof to get approved to 847 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,679 get redone with our insurance. And the 848 00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:47,200 goal would be that when we get the roof 849 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,039 done that we could get the waterproofing 850 00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,760 over the edges and get our st black 851 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,039 metal standing seam metal awning 852 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,360 replaced on that huge front of it that 853 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,279 takes up like the biggest chunk of it. 854 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,760 The windows are fine. I used to hate the 855 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,840 little squares, but I like them because 856 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,919 a few of them have a gas leak and that's 857 00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:09,120 a simple $100 fix to redo the gas. We 858 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,360 used to work at Brookfield Barber and 859 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,679 the issue with one solid piece of glass 860 00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:16,080 is that they get fogged up. They're not 861 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,000 you have to get really expensive if you 862 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,679 want it to be clear all the time and in 863 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:22,000 the winter. So, I have fallen in love 864 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,200 with our little squared things. Um, so 865 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,720 yeah, the biggest thing is having that 866 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,559 black standing 867 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,960 uh seam awning replaced that can 868 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,039 actually hold channel letter things 869 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,679 because of the water issue of the damage 870 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:37,440 to that wood, the electricity that's 871 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,600 there. We switched out the can lighting 872 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,840 when we first bought it and it maybe 873 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,440 only worked for a year. So, I think 874 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,960 there's an issue with the electricity 875 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,840 behind there. And with that, we would 876 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,399 It's a lot, but if we could get behind 877 00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:52,799 there and we're going to take it down. I 878 00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,559 get to redo the electric, get better 879 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,640 lighting so it's safer and looks better 880 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,440 at night. Um I we could put an exterior 881 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,760 barber light. I'd like to put an 882 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,880 exterior power like source like a little 883 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,039 extens um a box an exterior box so I 884 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:10,320 could put Christmas lights because we 885 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,000 decorate for all the things we do all 886 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,559 the events through with the town on the 887 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,039 circle. Um those benches were cheap. I 888 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,600 think I'd really like to switch them to 889 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,320 composite decking with iron. That would 890 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,399 look nicer, be safer outside with the 891 00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:26,480 public when they do what they do 892 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,000 outside. Um but we need a a different 893 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,880 awning if we want to change um to have a 894 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,120 signage that can actually be held up. 895 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,720 And then as far as that, then it'd be 896 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,720 just all the other metal to match it. 897 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,279 And then there's the two siding on the 898 00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:46,960 sides 899 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,760 and those it just looks like old house 900 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,600 siding. We painted it when we first got 901 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,919 it. It's falling apart. Behind it is 902 00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,720 plywood that's getting water damage. 903 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360 Like it's just old building. Um, we want 904 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,880 to switch this to Hardy. We're looking 905 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,399 longterm. We bought this building in 906 00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:05,120 2022. We've worked in the Lrange, 907 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,559 Brookfield area, cutting hair for 10 908 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,200 years. We're gonna We live on Deo. Like, 909 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,720 we're going to retire here. So, any 910 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,280 money that helps us to invest in this 911 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,720 building is staying with us, staying 912 00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:16,960 with the town, and that's kind of what 913 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,869 we're looking for. 914 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:24,240 » Other questions? The petitioners? 915 00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:26,389 >> You answered my question. On page 51, it 916 00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:26,399 » You answered my question. On page 51, it 917 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:27,919 indicates that under sighting there 918 00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,399 could be vinyl, composite board, or 919 00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:32,000 hardy board. And you' mentioned you 920 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,760 going with a board sighting. 921 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,589 >> Yeah, he put a full thing about the 922 00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:35,599 » Yeah, he put a full thing about the 923 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:37,599 heart. I relooked at the one of the 924 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:39,040 contracts and they said that and I think 925 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:44,310 that'll last longer. 926 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,879 » Yeah, that was PAX rendering. I like my 927 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:48,720 rendering because it showed it. The only 928 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,560 other difference because after I 929 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,839 submitted the facade application, I got 930 00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:55,679 the final quotes for the signage and saw 931 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,520 the different prices. The only thing 932 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,480 we're going to NYX and get rid of is the 933 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,800 circle with our logo light. We cut that 934 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960 out for the budget so I could keep the 935 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,079 signage bigger to be more legible for 936 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,480 drivers. So, I just didn't update that. 937 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,040 I do have another photo rendering where 938 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,440 it would get rid of um that. So, it's 939 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,839 just the Good Times Barberhop signage on 940 00:35:17,839 --> 00:35:20,880 that one because it was going to be like 941 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,839 8,000. Wanted to stick closer to 6,000. 942 00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:24,560 We'll get 943 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:25,750 >> We actually have that. 944 00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:25,760 » We actually have that. 945 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,150 >> Okay. I did put that in. I wasn't sure. 946 00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:28,160 » Okay. I did put that in. I wasn't sure. 947 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,230 >> Okay. That and then I didn't photo edit 948 00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:30,240 » Okay. That and then I didn't photo edit 949 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,760 benches. 950 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,720 And then as far as the color of the 951 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,160 siding, I I'm 952 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,990 >> I I haven't even sat down with the 953 00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:38,000 » I I haven't even sat down with the 954 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,520 contractors of which one we know we'll 955 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,520 use to pick colors or anything. It's 956 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160 very It feels very early in the process. 957 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,680 It's more to see if it's going to be 958 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,880 feasible. Now, 959 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,589 >> I do like the divided lights, the 960 00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:51,599 » I do like the divided lights, the 961 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,119 divided windows. Yeah. 962 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,950 >> I think it adds charm, especially at 963 00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:54,960 » I think it adds charm, especially at 964 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:55,680 night. 965 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,470 >> Yeah. 966 00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:56,480 » Yeah. 967 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,310 >> And the biggest thing was the aluminum 968 00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:58,320 » And the biggest thing was the aluminum 969 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,880 frames. They were aluminum when we 970 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,320 bought the building. And one of the 971 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,640 things was we did aluminum primer. We 972 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,320 coated the windows to protect them and 973 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,839 we painted them black and it gave it 974 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:09,599 more of like a farmhouse look. So, I 975 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,160 think having standing stain black, we 976 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,119 love brick. I'm going to some quotes 977 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,440 separately from this and do tough 978 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,680 pointing on it. I think it needs it. Um 979 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,760 that'll just help with that. And then we 980 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,119 have like a five-year plan of other 981 00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:24,960 fixes that we want to do. We have a 982 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,960 small business loan that helped us 983 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,440 purchase the building. It matures seven 984 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,800 years. So we have three more years on 985 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,240 it. And I've been saying this for a 986 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,320 while now, but when I do that, I would 987 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,079 like to redo the parking lot. That'll 988 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:37,839 become another beautifying thing. So 989 00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:40,480 we're just that's our heart. That's what 990 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,000 we're working on. And I think we're 991 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,560 going to use to the best of its ability 992 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,720 to fix this building and keep it here 993 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,790 for a long time. 994 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,240 » Other questions of the petitioner at 995 00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:55,200 this point? 996 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,589 >> Okay. Um I have a seat. We'll call you 997 00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:57,599 » Okay. Um I have a seat. We'll call you 998 00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,160 in reserve if we need to. Staff, floor 999 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,589 is yours. 1000 00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:07,200 Okay. Comes back to me. U we all know 1001 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,119 where the barber shop is. I don't go 1002 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,280 there very often, but I know where it 1003 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,640 is. I go by it twice a day. Um, of 1004 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:15,920 course, here's the building with the 1005 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,720 the, you know, the the front that we all 1006 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,240 like those divided glass. 1007 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,560 Put the sides here. View from Grand and 1008 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,880 view from Maple because of course we we 1009 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,640 always talk about four-sided buildings 1010 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,640 and they're looking at doing all all the 1011 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,839 sides. So, that's a good thing. Um, as 1012 00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:35,680 he said, there's two requests. You know, 1013 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,800 the signage is up to $2,000. The bulk of 1014 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,920 it, the exterior is up to 20. Both are 1015 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,079 50% of of the cost, the eligible cost. 1016 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,160 I'm just blow through these because 1017 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,000 you've seen these are all in your packet 1018 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,030 with the Home Depot door. 1019 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,359 These were the the numbers. These are 1020 00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:59,680 all in your packet there. How they came 1021 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,000 up with these. 1022 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,240 Well, the number we come to the $19,000 1023 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,320 we go down to that. So they got the two 1024 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,720 quotes as that's required 1025 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,760 by the program. You can see the PACC is 1026 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,480 396. The other one was a little higher 1027 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:23,190 at 426. Um so that puts 50% at $19,800. 1028 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,720 Similarly um 1029 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,160 the signage come through here 1030 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:35,280 you know wrong way here. two two signs 1031 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,640 round numbers 5910 and 763. 1032 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,320 Um so it comes down to $2,000 out of the 1033 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,680 5100 cost for the signage 1034 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,000 and that's what that's 1035 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,079 you know all she wrote that's that's a 1036 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:54,240 very simple process of the cost and the 1037 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,560 rest is up to you guys 1038 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:02,230 >> questions of staff. 1039 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,400 » Okay. Um, as this is not a public 1040 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,800 hearing, we're going to do this a little 1041 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,640 more casually. So, we're going to open 1042 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,960 discussion to commissioners, um, but we 1043 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,440 may need staff input. We may need, um, 1044 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,000 petitioner input as we discuss things. 1045 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,760 Um, because like I said, this is the 1046 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,200 first for all of us. So, um, bear with 1047 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,040 us and don't take anything personally. 1048 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,520 So, um, okay, I'll open in the 1049 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,440 commission for questioning and 1050 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,680 discussions. I just want to bring up a 1051 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,560 few points. So, having read um kind of 1052 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,800 the PIP information, 1053 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,800 um the PIP is intended to encourage 1054 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,240 exterior commercial property 1055 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,480 improvements and enhance the appearance 1056 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,880 and economic vitality of the village's 1057 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,480 commercial corridor. So, I think that's 1058 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,800 one of the points that we should think 1059 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,079 about. Um there's also, and I haven't 1060 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:51,839 written it down, it also says that the 1061 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:54,240 PIP, and correct me if I'm wrong, staff, 1062 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:56,560 can't be used for regular maintenance. 1063 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,280 You know, so I think it's our within our 1064 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,680 purview to figure out, you know, how 1065 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,200 much of the money that the petitioner is 1066 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,839 asking is actually for 1067 00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:10,079 enhancement and app enhancing the 1068 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:11,920 appearance and economic vitality of the 1069 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,240 village's commercial corridors and how 1070 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,040 much of it is for maintenance. And it's 1071 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,040 not their fault that the building has 1072 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,160 fallen into disrepair. I get that. But 1073 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,560 um so I think those are some of the 1074 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,480 things that we can keep in mind and I'm 1075 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:32,150 sure you have other thoughts. So 1076 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,040 » go ahead Todd. 1077 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,910 >> Sure. Sure. So in general to see 1078 00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:35,920 » Sure. Sure. So in general to see 1079 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,310 >> in general I like the intent and I I 1080 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:38,320 » in general I like the intent and I I 1081 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,760 appreciate the materials that have been 1082 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,359 presented. It's I do struggle with 1083 00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:45,680 what's been discussed versus what can 1084 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,680 actually occur through permitting and 1085 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,599 process. Right. 1086 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,079 So I I believe some of these items can 1087 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,119 be done without a true building permit. 1088 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,720 They probably just be done with a 1089 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:59,760 maintenance permit like roofing would, 1090 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:01,440 right? It wouldn't need an architect 1091 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,720 necessarily for that. So while I 1092 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,880 understand what the applicant desires, 1093 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,040 it's hard to understand what what 1094 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,950 actually would be. 1095 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,359 » I share that struggle. 1096 00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:21,030 >> So then we We wouldn't be able to learn 1097 00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:21,040 » So then we We wouldn't be able to learn 1098 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,760 that it sounds like because the 1099 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,800 permitting process comes after. 1100 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,870 >> Well, we could ask for it. We could we 1101 00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:28,880 » Well, we could ask for it. We could we 1102 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:29,599 could. Yeah. 1103 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:30,790 >> Okay. 1104 00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:30,800 » Okay. 1105 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,390 >> We're talking about almost approaching 1106 00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:32,400 » We're talking about almost approaching 1107 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,960 this as a planned development, reviewing 1108 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,280 materials, colors, final decisions on a 1109 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,079 contract. 1110 00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:41,910 >> I I again, I don't know what our 1111 00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:41,920 » I I again, I don't know what our 1112 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,000 latitude is. 1113 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,160 I I think that that's the case because I 1114 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,160 I think we're charged with is is are 1115 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,839 these upgrades really enhancing the 1116 00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:56,480 facade significantly? 1117 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,470 >> And if so, then I think we should grant 1118 00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:58,480 » And if so, then I think we should grant 1119 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,839 the money. But if not, you know, you 1120 00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:04,640 know, is is pulling the old man roof 1121 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,440 material off and fixing all this the 1122 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,400 substrate behind it to me seems like 1123 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,520 maintenance, but you know, I don't know. 1124 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,470 >> And and if I can just um talk about PIP, 1125 00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:16,480 » And and if I can just um talk about PIP, 1126 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,160 and this is this is new, so there's a 1127 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,920 lot that's uh within your purview to 1128 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,160 decide. The PIP program was specifically 1129 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,640 designed for the three tiff districts wi 1130 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,800 which happen to have more distressed 1131 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,960 properties there. Um so there is some 1132 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,599 leeway in terms of considering um what 1133 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,160 would be general improvement to the 1134 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,240 area. So in other pips that have been 1135 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:38,240 decided and the PIP came went in in 1136 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,839 2021. Um there's another example right 1137 00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:44,800 down the street on Broadway the um oh de 1138 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,200 what is that Chris Watland's building 1139 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,510 >> oh Winn's playroom. So that's one 1140 00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:49,520 » oh Winn's playroom. So that's one 1141 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,160 example if you're familiar with that 1142 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,440 kind of kitty corner to u Mary's um that 1143 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,160 building received the full PIP and when 1144 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,079 the applicant applied for it they were 1145 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,160 looking for only redoing the windows and 1146 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,319 at that time the the EDC looked at the 1147 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:06,000 whole building and said can you can you 1148 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,200 redo more of the structure paint it redo 1149 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,040 all the windows so there was a 1150 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,520 discussion about beautifying it and 1151 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,680 that's part of what the PIP is for is to 1152 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,520 enhance some of the buildings it's not 1153 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,599 for straight maintenance though. Um, 1154 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,760 tuck pointing for example, but removing 1155 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,359 a mansered roof if that's within the 1156 00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:25,760 purview, updating outdated signage, 1157 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,760 removing monument signs, it is within 1158 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,680 that. Um, as far as what kind of 1159 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,680 limitations you want to place on that, 1160 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,200 um, we're just trying to be cognizant 1161 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,359 within the the the grant and what 1162 00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:37,200 applicants can do. So, it's not a plan 1163 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,200 development per se, but you certainly 1164 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,839 have um leeway with architectural 1165 00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:44,240 standards, you know, renderings if 1166 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,640 additional renderings are needed for the 1167 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,240 permit process. So they they will have 1168 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,520 to go through the permit process for 1169 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,440 signage and so forth. Architectural 1170 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,720 renderings are not required per se, but 1171 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,319 it really depends on the project. There 1172 00:43:56,319 --> 00:43:57,680 could be one where they might be 1173 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,079 required. So I don't know if that helped 1174 00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,560 or 1175 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:17,430 >> go ahead 1176 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,680 replacement damage or decorative 1177 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,000 elements 1178 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:27,750 and decorative elements 1179 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,069 windows and doors. 1180 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,000 So that's why I brought up that damage 1181 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,760 because I thought that 1182 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,349 >> right completely understand that is 1183 00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:37,359 » right completely understand that is 1184 00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:37,920 correct. 1185 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,270 >> Y 1186 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,560 » I feel first of all to say that I think 1187 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,880 this business is a great addition to 1188 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,520 that area. I mean that is such a tiny 1189 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,599 building that you know what you've done 1190 00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,359 and what is in there now I think it 1191 00:44:57,359 --> 00:44:59,440 really has added to eight corners and 1192 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,040 every time I drive by there it just 1193 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,160 looks like 1194 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,400 there's activity going on. So, I'm happy 1195 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,920 to see that and I'm, you know, I'm happy 1196 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,079 to hear that you would like to make 1197 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,240 these improvements to the building. And 1198 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:17,760 I think what they've shown us in terms 1199 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,400 of the signage would 1200 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,480 u be more readable to um to folks who 1201 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,560 are driving around the circle 1202 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,430 >> because it's not always easy to read 1203 00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:29,440 » because it's not always easy to read 1204 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,720 something while you're trying to avoid 1205 00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:34,960 an accident driving around the circle or 1206 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,240 even those that are walking or biking. 1207 00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,839 Um, 1208 00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:43,119 so to me it looks like, you know, it 1209 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,079 would be an enhancement to eight 1210 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:47,599 corners, 1211 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,510 >> just the signage or everything. 1212 00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:49,520 » just the signage or everything. 1213 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,589 >> Well, I think it depends on what we have 1214 00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:51,599 » Well, I think it depends on what we have 1215 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,079 to, 1216 00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:56,880 you know, what we, you know, what we can 1217 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,839 include, 1218 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:01,910 >> I guess I'll say. So, whatever is um 1219 00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:01,920 » I guess I'll say. So, whatever is um 1220 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,960 allowed to be included in this, you 1221 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,040 know, I I would be in favor of it in 1222 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,160 order approve it. 1223 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,790 >> So, so let me throw back at staff in in 1224 00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:10,800 » So, so let me throw back at staff in in 1225 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,040 terms of 1226 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,480 you know, we we've heard a little bit 1227 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,400 more clarity today from the petitioner 1228 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,760 in terms of, oh, we're not going to do 1229 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,960 that storefront, we're going to keep 1230 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,079 this storefront. I think the Manser roof 1231 00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,160 is pretty clear what they're going to 1232 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,440 do. But and they want to do black, but 1233 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:30,880 they haven't picked out the siding 1234 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,119 colors or, you know, because with Hardy 1235 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,920 Plank siding, for instance, you could do 1236 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,000 a lot more for the same cost, you could 1237 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,400 do a lot more interesting infill in that 1238 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,319 sighting than the lap sighting that's 1239 00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:46,560 there now, which is pretty terrible, 1240 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,720 frankly, you know. So, I think, 1241 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,309 >> you know, so I guess back to staff is 1242 00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:52,319 » you know, so I guess back to staff is 1243 00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:54,240 What is your if you if if this gets 1244 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:55,680 approved and it gets approved by the 1245 00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,960 board, what is the end expectation? 1246 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,670 >> Well, we we would 1247 00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:01,680 » Well, we we would 1248 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,109 >> what do you think you're going to see? 1249 00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:03,119 » what do you think you're going to see? 1250 00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:04,710 >> Well, we would expect it to look similar 1251 00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:04,720 » Well, we would expect it to look similar 1252 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:06,160 to the plan that they're they're 1253 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,319 providing and the more detailed plans 1254 00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:09,680 would be once they receive their 1255 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,280 permits, but if there's specific 1256 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,960 conditions, so for example, if this 1257 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,880 board said we would like to see a Hardy 1258 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,440 board that is Xcolor as part of this 1259 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,200 grant, that would be within your 1260 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,280 purview. or we don't want we don't want 1261 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,839 to see the six panel door. That would be 1262 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:25,359 a condition that would be placed on 1263 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:28,960 that. Uh previously when some of the the 1264 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,760 PIP facade grants have been approved, it 1265 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,480 was just based off of the general plan 1266 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,720 of what um what the petitioner was 1267 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,640 applying for in terms of overall 1268 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,720 improvement. And the PIP the PIP is 1269 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,800 really there designed to in recognition 1270 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,800 of business owners trying to beautify 1271 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,480 the properties. If I may, um, 1272 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,870 >> some of our recent PIP for exterior 1273 00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:50,880 » some of our recent PIP for exterior 1274 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,079 facade include Irish Times and Tishlers. 1275 00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,880 The one of the objectives of the program 1276 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,000 is to improve the appearance of the 1277 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,119 building. Um, as Libby mentioned, if um, 1278 00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:07,359 you had a request to consider in the PIP 1279 00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:10,240 application, um, we could add that as a 1280 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,400 condition. uh they would go through the 1281 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,079 permitting process and get all the 1282 00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,800 required permits for the roof for 1283 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,440 signage. So that would all be met and if 1284 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,240 it did require architectural plans that 1285 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:26,000 would be required as well. So we do want 1286 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,240 to see improvement on public facing 1287 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:30,880 streets in a tiff district to make the 1288 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,839 appearance of a building better and um 1289 00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:36,160 most of the applications that have come 1290 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,520 through since 2021 included 1291 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,079 um such improvements. Um if you remember 1292 00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,040 uh the style house on Grand Boulevard, 1293 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,240 um they had a similar type of request 1294 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,200 with the signage and with um colors. It 1295 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,079 wasn't necessarily um um doing hardy 1296 00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:58,000 work that would require architect 1297 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,240 architectural plans, 1298 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,829 >> but I'm happy to answer any other 1299 00:49:01,829 --> 00:49:01,839 » but I'm happy to answer any other 1300 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:06,079 questions about prior um PIP submissions 1301 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,839 that may help guide you. But 1302 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:10,470 >> no, and and I 1303 00:49:10,470 --> 00:49:10,480 » no, and and I 1304 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:11,920 If if they don't need an architect, 1305 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,079 that's great. As much as I love 1306 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:15,599 architects, 1307 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,119 um, 1308 00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:22,150 but I guess, 1309 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,400 you know, going forward, we're setting a 1310 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,559 we're we're setting, can't say that 1311 00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,640 word, gentleman. We're setting a 1312 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,520 precedent here depending on what we 1313 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,160 allow, what we don't allow. Um, I I 1314 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,520 guess being frank, I'd like I'd like a 1315 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,440 I'd like an image of what this thing's 1316 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,280 going to look like. And I don't I don't 1317 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,280 have that now, frankly, because now I 1318 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,319 hear, well, we're going to keep this 1319 00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:45,599 storefront. We're not going to do the 1320 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:46,800 other storefront that was in the 1321 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,599 package. And we're going to we're going 1322 00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:51,200 to do Hardy Plank sighting, but that's 1323 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,680 not really what's rendered. 1324 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,720 So, I don't know. And maybe I'm being 1325 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,720 maybe I'm asking too much. I don't know. 1326 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:00,800 What do you think? What I'm hearing from 1327 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,000 what Libby said is that that it can 1328 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,000 start out being more of a conceptual 1329 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,000 plan and then it's as 1330 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,480 the process moves forward then the 1331 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:13,760 details 1332 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,309 >> right 1333 00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:14,319 » right 1334 00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:17,109 >> are worked out. But is that something 1335 00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:17,119 » are worked out. But is that something 1336 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,079 that we need to review? 1337 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:23,030 >> You can 1338 00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:23,040 » You can 1339 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:24,720 well it depends on the scope of the 1340 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,440 project. So, a facade could be a $5,000 1341 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,599 facade. Architectural plans are not 1342 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,359 generally required for certain projects 1343 00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:33,599 anyway, but especially for one that's on 1344 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:35,839 a smaller scale here because we're 1345 00:50:35,839 --> 00:50:38,240 trying to encourage um you know, 1346 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,240 encourage business owners to avail 1347 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,319 themselves of the funds. But that being 1348 00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,559 said, because they are village funds, 1349 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,640 you do have leeway. This is a slight 1350 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,079 this is on the higher end because it's 1351 00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:50,480 the maximum that's being offered. So, 1352 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,640 you do have leeway and conditions that 1353 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,240 you can certainly put on it and and this 1354 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,400 is the right form to talk about it. If 1355 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,640 there's, you know, if you don't like the 1356 00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,440 signage, if the windows, there's a 1357 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,520 different recommendation for that. Um, 1358 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,359 and certainly the petitioner could also 1359 00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:06,880 answer if there's additional questions 1360 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,800 on that. So, all of those conditions 1361 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,720 would be put into place before they then 1362 00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,559 apply for the permits. Well, it has to 1363 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,160 go to the board. So, once the board 1364 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,000 approves it, then they would apply for 1365 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,240 the permits. 1366 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:19,680 See, and that's what what you had 1367 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,839 mentioned, Karen, and that's my worry a 1368 00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:25,520 little bit is is if if we don't put the 1369 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,520 conditions on it, and I'm not sure we 1370 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,280 could get all the conditions tonight. I 1371 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,720 don't But if we did, 1372 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,829 >> if we didn't, then we will never know 1373 00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:33,839 » if we didn't, then we will never know 1374 00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:35,599 what it's going to look like. Right. 1375 00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:35,910 >> Right. 1376 00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:35,920 » Right. 1377 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,069 >> I mean, I I assume they were doing new 1378 00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:38,079 » I mean, I I assume they were doing new 1379 00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:40,480 storefront with this, no disrespect to 1380 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,480 Home Depot, but with the Home Depot door 1381 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,400 until I heard otherwise tonight. 1382 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:44,950 >> Yeah. 1383 00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:44,960 » Yeah. 1384 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,150 >> So, 1385 00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:46,160 » So, 1386 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,309 >> Right. So, if we don't have all the 1387 00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:48,319 » Right. So, if we don't have all the 1388 00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:50,480 information, 1389 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,790 >> so your packet does include the current 1390 00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:52,800 » so your packet does include the current 1391 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,559 renderings of what the building looks 1392 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:57,359 like. And if you if you notice the um 1393 00:51:57,359 --> 00:51:59,920 current drawings and then you compare it 1394 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,520 to the proposed drawings, 1395 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,230 >> right? 1396 00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:02,240 » right? 1397 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:06,470 >> Um I do see the I I did the door change 1398 00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:06,480 » Um I do see the I I did the door change 1399 00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:12,069 was that 1400 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,640 » that's visible from the street. So the 1401 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,640 door that was mentioned in it, that's 1402 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,160 the weird thing with the property 1403 00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,150 >> there. That's what I'm talking about. 1404 00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:20,160 » there. That's what I'm talking about. 1405 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,230 >> So 1406 00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:22,240 » So 1407 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,520 that rendering was from PAC when we 1408 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:26,319 first started talking. 1409 00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:27,829 >> You said that earlier. I understand it. 1410 00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:27,839 » You said that earlier. I understand it. 1411 00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,549 >> And he was focused on just showing us 1412 00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:30,559 » And he was focused on just showing us 1413 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,319 the black metal scene and then getting 1414 00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:33,200 our done. 1415 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:33,670 >> Right. 1416 00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:33,680 » Right. 1417 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:37,030 >> So he had said on the app that they use 1418 00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:37,040 » So he had said on the app that they use 1419 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,760 that he couldn't find a clear door to 1420 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,720 show. So the windows and door the 1421 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:47,200 is how it is going to stay how it is. 1422 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,870 >> So now you understand our confusion, 1423 00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:48,880 » So now you understand our confusion, 1424 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,559 right? Because this was this was in our 1425 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,240 package as proposed, right? 1426 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:53,750 >> And when we first talked when I talked 1427 00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:53,760 » And when we first talked when I talked 1428 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,359 to him and he made that rendering, he 1429 00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:56,720 knew that we're doing black standing 1430 00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,800 scene, but he and I hadn't talked in 1431 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,880 person yet fully about the options for 1432 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,920 siding. And if there was input, I would 1433 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,319 love it. I just hate our cheap 1434 00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:09,200 residential signing siding that's on 1435 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,720 there and I wanted something that can 1436 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:14,559 last longer. I knew is something but I 1437 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,319 was asking about other options of 1438 00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:22,150 something that will be last long 1439 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,040 now. Um it seems like board is a good 1440 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:33,990 option. He was also talking about 1441 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:48,950 board 1442 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,920 So the door 1443 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,200 and this is where it gets into the 1444 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,440 nitpicking of what's allowed and not 1445 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,280 allowed 1446 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,400 in the specifics of the what is allowed 1447 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,079 to be covered in it. It says up to a 1448 00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,640 roof line. So we have a dormer that's 1449 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,280 visible from the street and that dormer 1450 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,000 is our access door to our furnace. So 1451 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,640 whenever you have the 1452 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,960 That thing is like 1453 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,760 shingles on it. The door kind of 1454 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,319 whatever but you see it from every angle 1455 00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:24,319 like other maple but all on this kind of 1456 00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:32,230 so the door is that 1457 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,000 we're going to do down there. So not the 1458 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,400 front door, not the back door, just that 1459 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,319 and then all the metal. So the trim 1460 00:54:38,319 --> 00:54:41,359 around the windows uh 1461 00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,520 metal and fashion everything will be 1462 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,640 replaced. 1463 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,280 I just feel like if we were fighting 1464 00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,950 about 1465 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,150 able 1466 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,829 to upgrade the building, 1467 00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,160 » it sounds like 1468 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,400 this process could um be helpful to the 1469 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,880 applicant, especially our commission 1470 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,200 because we have architects and our 1471 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,240 commission 1472 00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:18,960 that if it sounds permissible for them 1473 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,359 to give for you guys to give 1474 00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:24,319 recommendations to the applicant 1475 00:55:24,319 --> 00:55:26,079 like she was saying. I mean is that 1476 00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:27,760 something that 1477 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,630 >> is the absolutely that that's the that's 1478 00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:30,640 » is the absolutely that that's the that's 1479 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,720 the whole intent of moving it to the 1480 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:34,960 planning and zoning with previous PIP 1481 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,480 applications. This would have been the 1482 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,040 site plan that was approved and then 1483 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:40,720 then they would come in for permits. 1484 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:42,480 here there there is an opportunity to 1485 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,400 have that dialogue with the petitioner 1486 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,319 and make recommendations or even 1487 00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:48,480 conditions if there's specific ones 1488 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,720 especially when it's a a grant that's a 1489 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:52,880 maximum grant 1490 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,799 and and this is the right forum for for 1491 00:55:54,799 --> 00:56:02,950 site design or any other 1492 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,400 » they did one too 1493 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,109 >> and they also building their first year 1494 00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:09,119 » and they also building their first year 1495 00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:10,960 and they did 1496 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,799 pretty similar in a sense where they 1497 00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:20,549 painted new 1498 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:22,000 stories are a little bit less and then 1499 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,599 they change the exterior. 1500 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,190 >> Yeah, that's the dental office. 1501 00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:25,200 » Yeah, that's the dental office. 1502 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:36,309 >> Yeah. 1503 00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:44,630 » Cleaning it up. 1504 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,960 just 1505 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,069 building 1506 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:52,000 while 1507 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,640 painted the square windows that we 1508 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,640 painted underneath the 1509 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,280 little bit of paint that we threw on it 1510 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,880 like just updated it so much more for 1511 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:09,359 us. And just these these fixes like 1512 00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:11,839 all the way around. I think 1513 00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:14,480 more eyes 1514 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,160 building 1515 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:36,150 while driving. 1516 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,720 » I think so too. And that's why I think 1517 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,559 we should 1518 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,640 take the opportunity to have some input 1519 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,839 on what the finished product is going to 1520 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:47,680 look like in terms of the type of 1521 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,799 sighting and a direction toward color 1522 00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:59,109 a specific color but um 1523 00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:01,440 I remember 1524 00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:07,520 was harps realy was time and then um for 1525 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,240 a And I I worked on the interior for 1526 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,200 Linda Harps to bring the interior 1527 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,119 cleaned up to code at least before you 1528 00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:19,119 purchase the property. So I'm very happy 1529 00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:20,960 to see 1530 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,680 something 1531 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,069 happen with this building 1532 00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:29,760 when you first opened. I was having to 1533 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,319 see that. But now to make these 1534 00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:34,319 improvements 1535 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:40,160 and bring more focus so to speak and 1536 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,079 activity recognizable to everybody is a 1537 00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:46,640 great idea. 1538 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,559 Um 1539 00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:51,359 I feel the same way 1540 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:53,920 Trisha Grunt did 1541 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,040 mentioned about a lot of these things. 1542 00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:01,040 I think that the sighting Should 1543 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,760 the car be complimentary to the brick or 1544 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,880 the the framing 1545 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:28,390 of the windows? 1546 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,160 He chose 1547 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,000 it. 1548 00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:39,430 >> It was terrible. 1549 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,920 » Have you for the infill of the elevation 1550 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,280 that we're seeing there in the lower 1551 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,920 part that has the window, have you 1552 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,240 considered a face brick? That's a thin 1553 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,359 brick. opposed to the vinyl or the hardy 1554 00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:54,240 brick or hardete. 1555 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,230 I was wondering that too. 1556 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:02,400 » I think depending on the manufacturer um 1557 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,440 there are a lot of options available 1558 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,799 that you might be able to find something 1559 01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:08,720 that's very similar or sensitive enough 1560 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:09,680 to it 1561 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,910 >> that it may match because right now 1562 01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:11,920 » that it may match because right now 1563 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,870 >> there's such a distinction there's kind 1564 01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:14,880 » there's such a distinction there's kind 1565 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,839 of 1566 01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:17,750 >> Yeah. And I I I think Todd makes a good 1567 01:00:17,750 --> 01:00:17,760 » Yeah. And I I I think Todd makes a good 1568 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,760 point. You, you know, because you'd 1569 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,599 still have to do a complimentary color 1570 01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,119 because you'd never you'd never find a 1571 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,200 brick to match your existing brick, you 1572 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,599 know. So, I think Chris's comment about, 1573 01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:29,520 you know, a color that's complimentary 1574 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,359 to the brick rather than, you know, 1575 01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:34,799 because again, look at that. I mean, you 1576 01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:36,559 don't need an expert to tell you that, 1577 01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,640 you know, doesn't look that good. 1578 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,750 >> Like a charcoal brick. 1579 01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:39,760 » Like a charcoal brick. 1580 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:40,789 >> Yeah. 1581 01:00:40,789 --> 01:00:40,799 » Yeah. 1582 01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:42,640 that you know and that and I think with 1583 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,880 the black metal 1584 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,640 uh uh roofing on the Manser roof um 1585 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,240 which I'm going to keep calling it a man 1586 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,799 roof because that's what it is. Um I 1587 01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:54,000 think that would be that would be 1588 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,440 better. Um and I I don't have is there 1589 01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:58,960 any issue with the mansered roof because 1590 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,799 I think that probably is going to turn 1591 01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:04,400 out just fine. I would say on the the 1592 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,390 >> metal the metal standing seam, 1593 01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:06,400 » metal the metal standing seam, 1594 01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:07,829 >> not the metal standing seam, but the 1595 01:01:07,829 --> 01:01:07,839 » not the metal standing seam, but the 1596 01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:10,319 entry into your the furnace area. 1597 01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:11,910 >> Here it's shown graphically in the 1598 01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:11,920 » Here it's shown graphically in the 1599 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:12,400 white. 1600 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:12,710 >> Yeah, 1601 01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:12,720 » Yeah, 1602 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,349 >> I think it should be black to match. 1603 01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:15,359 » I think it should be black to match. 1604 01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:19,270 >> That's what I think, 1605 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:20,559 » right? Because there's no reason for it 1606 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:21,440 to stand out. 1607 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:22,230 >> Yeah. 1608 01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:22,240 » Yeah. 1609 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,549 >> Yeah. We didn't choose any color yet. 1610 01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:24,559 » Yeah. We didn't choose any color yet. 1611 01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:28,549 Like this is just 1612 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,400 easily 1613 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:37,510 including 1614 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,359 that service store. 1615 01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:42,069 >> Yes. 1616 01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:42,079 » Yes. 1617 01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:53,589 Instead of neon green, 1618 01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:57,670 » what else? 1619 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000 » All right. I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm 1620 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,400 gonna say this. I you know, again, this 1621 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,440 is a first for us. I think I'd hate for 1622 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,680 the petitioner to come back with 1623 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,040 drawings that are more recognizable in 1624 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,480 terms of what the end product's going to 1625 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,040 be. It doesn't it doesn't seem fair 1626 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,920 because I I appreciate their enthusiasm 1627 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,760 and I think whatever they do will be um 1628 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,400 you know you know and again architecture 1629 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,920 a lot of people argue with me all the 1630 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,480 time is I think in many respects it's 1631 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,359 subjective you know what he likes I 1632 01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:33,680 don't what Jennifer likes Todd doesn't 1633 01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,280 you know so um but I I think the manert 1634 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,680 itself in terms of standing seam metal 1635 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,720 roofing is going to be a big benefit it 1636 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,319 it'll show off the new sign. I have no 1637 01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:48,160 issue with the sign. So, um I'm I'm 1638 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,520 prepared to to offer a motion with some 1639 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,319 conditions if the rest of us are 1640 01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:56,480 willing. 1641 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,309 >> I do recall 1642 01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:58,319 » I do recall 1643 01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:02,069 >> that in past cases on occasion we would 1644 01:03:02,069 --> 01:03:02,079 » that in past cases on occasion we would 1645 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,200 leave some final decisions in staff's 1646 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,200 very capable hands. 1647 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,870 >> Absolutely. You could offer the 1648 01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:08,880 » Absolutely. You could offer the 1649 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,960 commission can offer additional uh 1650 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,280 recommend additional enhancements or to 1651 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,760 materials. Um if there's certain 1652 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,599 aesthetics, those can all be 1653 01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,160 appropriately recommended. Um they could 1654 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,240 be conditions or they can s just be 1655 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,119 suggestions to the proposed plan. Once 1656 01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:26,799 it comes down to the actual permitting, 1657 01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:28,160 they're they're going to have to submit 1658 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,640 all the things that comply. But as far 1659 01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,440 as the aesthetics, the material, um any 1660 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,400 other items 1661 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,760 you can offer all of those. 1662 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,710 >> So then that's kind of our wish list, 1663 01:03:42,710 --> 01:03:42,720 » So then that's kind of our wish list, 1664 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:43,280 right? 1665 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:43,670 >> Right. 1666 01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:43,680 » Right. 1667 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,910 >> But it exceeds the budget. 1668 01:03:45,910 --> 01:03:45,920 » But it exceeds the budget. 1669 01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:46,549 >> Yeah. 1670 01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:46,559 » Yeah. 1671 01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,309 >> Well, and and that's where it comes down 1672 01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:48,319 » Well, and and that's where it comes down 1673 01:03:48,319 --> 01:03:50,559 to, you know, the petitioner, the scope 1674 01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:54,640 of their project, and what's realistic. 1675 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,390 >> Some can be conditions, some can be 1676 01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:56,400 » Some can be conditions, some can be 1677 01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,000 recommendations. Um, this is an 1678 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,920 especially appropriate forum because you 1679 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,000 can offer suggestions to the proposed 1680 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,599 plan that aren't necessarily conditions. 1681 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:13,670 to the grant itself 1682 01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:17,910 and this is why it's with you. 1683 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,680 » All right. Well, well, let's talk about 1684 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,720 the the condition slrecommendations. 1685 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,240 Um, I feel strongly about the existing 1686 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,720 storefront to remain as a condition, 1687 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:29,910 >> not a recommendation, 1688 01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:29,920 » not a recommendation, 1689 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,750 >> including the divided lights. 1690 01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:31,760 » including the divided lights. 1691 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,990 >> That's the whole storefront system. Yes, 1692 01:04:33,990 --> 01:04:34,000 » That's the whole storefront system. Yes, 1693 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,430 >> I agree. Um, is that is that true for 1694 01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:37,440 » I agree. Um, is that is that true for 1695 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,359 the side or are you just checking 1696 01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:42,230 >> just the the main entry storefront? I'll 1697 01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:42,240 » just the the main entry storefront? I'll 1698 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,390 call it. How's that? 1699 01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:47,839 » Because I don't want to see what's on 1700 01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:49,760 that. I don't want to see what's on 1701 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,160 there. 1702 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:57,760 Um, and I think um, 1703 01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,440 you know, the the I'll call it a dog 1704 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,520 house, the roof do house 1705 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,630 >> to match the color of the black because 1706 01:05:04,630 --> 01:05:04,640 » to match the color of the black because 1707 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,240 you're going to do the black sanding 1708 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,079 seam roof. That was in both quotes that 1709 01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,000 I read. 1710 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,829 >> So, I think that should be a condition. 1711 01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:11,839 » So, I think that should be a condition. 1712 01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:12,640 Yeah. 1713 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,390 >> Yes. 1714 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,280 » Um, 1715 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,829 >> elimination of the six panel door. We 1716 01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:19,839 » elimination of the six panel door. We 1717 01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:22,160 covered that. We covered that, right? 1718 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:22,549 >> Yeah. 1719 01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:22,559 » Yeah. 1720 01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:25,349 >> And the service door should be also be 1721 01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:25,359 » And the service door should be also be 1722 01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:28,470 >> black. Yeah. 1723 01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:28,480 » black. Yeah. 1724 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,480 Yeah. I'll put door. Okay. Um 1725 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,319 the infill sighting, I'll call it. I'll 1726 01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:36,720 leave it at that. The infill facade 1727 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,480 material 1728 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:43,760 in reference to Todd. Um I I I 1729 01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,520 think that should be a recommendation to 1730 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,039 make it something um complimentary to 1731 01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:51,119 the existing brick. 1732 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:53,119 I mean I don't I don't know if I want 1733 01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:54,240 it. 1734 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,430 >> What do you feel about how do you feel 1735 01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:55,440 » What do you feel about how do you feel 1736 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:56,799 about that? Making a condition or 1737 01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:59,760 recommendation? 1738 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:00,470 >> I feel 1739 01:06:00,470 --> 01:06:00,480 » I feel 1740 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,549 >> because if if if this gets to be an 1741 01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:02,559 » because if if if this gets to be an 1742 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,160 affordability issue, frankly, they could 1743 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,920 leave the gray side the way it is, 1744 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,920 right? 1745 01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,230 >> Which we don't want, but 1746 01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:10,240 » Which we don't want, but 1747 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,599 I think recommendation is sufficient, 1748 01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,910 >> but the existing sighting is is a black 1749 01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:15,920 » but the existing sighting is is a black 1750 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:21,270 or a gray. 1751 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,680 » Is it really charcoal? I just drove by 1752 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,280 past it today. It looked lighter to me. 1753 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,190 >> It was a sunny day. That's why 1754 01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:29,200 » It was a sunny day. That's why 1755 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,870 >> you can't go too dark. 1756 01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:30,880 » you can't go too dark. 1757 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,789 I got 1758 01:06:34,799 --> 01:06:39,039 to get that. 1759 01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:41,270 >> Yeah, Hardy might be the you know. 1760 01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:41,280 » Yeah, Hardy might be the you know. 1761 01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,430 >> Yeah. 1762 01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:43,440 » Yeah. 1763 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,960 And I like 1764 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,160 that whole system like I can't change 1765 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,799 that on you because I'm telling them 1766 01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:54,799 that we're using this type of material 1767 01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:56,319 that costs this. So I don't want to 1768 01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:56,799 change that. 1769 01:06:56,799 --> 01:06:57,190 >> Right. 1770 01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:57,200 » Right. 1771 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,270 >> So I don't know what that looks like. So 1772 01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:59,280 » So I don't know what that looks like. So 1773 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,799 that very flexible and 1774 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:04,470 >> because there are other products just 1775 01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:04,480 » because there are other products just 1776 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:05,359 like Hardy. 1777 01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:06,309 >> Yeah, 1778 01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:06,319 » Yeah, 1779 01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:08,789 >> Hardy is a brand name a brand name. 1780 01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:08,799 » Hardy is a brand name a brand name. 1781 01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:11,190 >> There's, you know, composite woodlike 1782 01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:11,200 » There's, you know, composite woodlike 1783 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:12,799 composite materials that are just like 1784 01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:14,319 Hardy Plank. 1785 01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:15,670 >> They're all pretty much in the same 1786 01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:15,680 » They're all pretty much in the same 1787 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,280 price point, but there's other 1788 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,119 alternatives to to Hardy Plank. 1789 01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:24,309 >> Yeah. 1790 01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:25,520 And I'm looking at all the buildings 1791 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,319 that have a similar style as ours and 1792 01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:30,240 what they do to 1793 01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,480 a little nicer. And there is one in 1794 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,119 town. I forgot which one it is. It 1795 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:37,920 almost looks like a style. 1796 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,680 I think that looks cool. I just feel 1797 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,480 like the looks like 1798 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,630 >> like siding on an RV or something. It's 1799 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:44,640 » like siding on an RV or something. It's 1800 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:45,599 just not 1801 01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,670 >> Yeah. I mean, and again, that's why I 1802 01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:47,680 » Yeah. I mean, and again, that's why I 1803 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:49,280 think we should call it, you know, 1804 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,799 facade material because you could do 1805 01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:52,400 stuckco complimentary color to the 1806 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,000 brick, too. That's, 1807 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,109 >> you know, 1808 01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:55,119 » you know, 1809 01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,270 >> um but again, you know, you got two 1810 01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:57,280 » um but again, you know, you got two 1811 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,200 little areas to do. So, I what that 1812 01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:00,319 price point would be. 1813 01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:03,670 >> Yeah. So 1814 01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:03,680 » Yeah. So 1815 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,240 should be a condition. 1816 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,150 >> A condition. 1817 01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:08,160 » A condition. 1818 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,470 >> How do you define the condition a 1819 01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:10,480 » How do you define the condition a 1820 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,589 durable 1821 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:14,559 » I think um 1822 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:18,470 >> complimentary 1823 01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:22,239 if the the village is up front or 1824 01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:23,600 essentially paying for this. I think we 1825 01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,880 should have some say. 1826 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,789 >> Yeah. So confirming that the existing 1827 01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:26,799 » Yeah. So confirming that the existing 1828 01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:28,719 vinyl siding will be removed and 1829 01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:31,199 replaced with a compliment upgraded 1830 01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:33,359 compliment durable. 1831 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:34,950 >> Yeah, upgraded. I like the word 1832 01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:34,960 » Yeah, upgraded. I like the word 1833 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,359 upgraded. 1834 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,030 >> But how far do we go in defining what 1835 01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:39,040 » But how far do we go in defining what 1836 01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,759 that material is 1837 01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:43,749 >> because we we've talked about thin 1838 01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:43,759 » because we we've talked about thin 1839 01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:45,839 brick. We've talked about composite 1840 01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:48,239 wood. I won't use the word hardy. 1841 01:08:48,239 --> 01:09:05,510 >> Stone stone stone stuckle, you know. 1842 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:06,560 LP 1843 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,349 >> LP is another that's LP and are the 1844 01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:09,359 » LP is another that's LP and are the 1845 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,440 same. It's just composite wood. It's 1846 01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:14,319 called 1847 01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:15,590 >> vertical lines. 1848 01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:15,600 » vertical lines. 1849 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,829 >> You could do vertical. You could do flat 1850 01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:17,839 » You could do vertical. You could do flat 1851 01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:22,880 panels and you could do um um 1852 01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:25,359 Or you could do Yeah. 1853 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:27,510 >> You could do strips to match your 1854 01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:27,520 » You could do strips to match your 1855 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,600 storefront squares, 1856 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:30,870 >> you know, 1857 01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:30,880 » you know, 1858 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,870 >> battens. You know, there's lots you 1859 01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:32,880 » battens. You know, there's lots you 1860 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,960 could do. 1861 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,630 >> Vertical would make the building look a 1862 01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:36,640 » Vertical would make the building look a 1863 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:44,309 little look taller as opposed to 1864 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,550 » break it up. 1865 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,319 » And so that's why I was so 1866 01:09:52,319 --> 01:10:02,310 we have quote. 1867 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:12,870 So wheat 1868 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:20,149 and everything. 1869 01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:22,320 » What else 1870 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,320 is that? Vinyl sighting that's existing. 1871 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,199 Do you know? 1872 01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:28,870 >> So that's why you had trouble painting. 1873 01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:28,880 » So that's why you had trouble painting. 1874 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,480 It 1875 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:32,310 >> doesn't work. 1876 01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:32,320 » doesn't work. 1877 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,560 I've tried everything. 1878 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,320 Um, anything else? I'll take a shot at 1879 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,400 it. We'll do the hard one first because 1880 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,640 I don't think the signage is We have We 1881 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:43,679 don't have a question about signage, 1882 01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:45,920 right? I think signage is good. And then 1883 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:54,070 there's the on 1884 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:58,400 there right now. It's like a breathable 1885 01:10:58,400 --> 01:10:59,760 aluminum. 1886 01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,750 >> So he didn't put it in the render, but I 1887 01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:01,760 » So he didn't put it in the render, but I 1888 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,040 pointed it out to him. So they're going 1889 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,709 to put 1890 01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:10,400 » is let me ask this. Is it existing 1891 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,400 deteriorated siding? Is that fair? 1892 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,510 >> It's visible. And that's on the rear of 1893 01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:15,520 » It's visible. And that's on the rear of 1894 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:16,159 the building. 1895 01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:16,709 >> Yes. 1896 01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:16,719 » Yes. 1897 01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:19,270 >> All right. So, so we could say in all 1898 01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:19,280 » All right. So, so we could say in all 1899 01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,800 areas where you have existing 1900 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,960 deteriorating siding, 1901 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,390 >> you're going to replace with the same 1902 01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:24,400 » you're going to replace with the same 1903 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,960 material in all areas. 1904 01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:29,270 >> So, it's consistent on all sides. Yeah, 1905 01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:29,280 » So, it's consistent on all sides. Yeah, 1906 01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:30,400 that makes sense. 1907 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,470 >> Okay. 1908 01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,480 » Anything else? All right. I'll take a 1909 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,080 shot. 1910 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,669 >> All right. I'll entertain a motion um 1911 01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:41,679 » All right. I'll entertain a motion um 1912 01:11:41,679 --> 01:11:44,320 at this time to recommend approval of 1913 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:50,310 the facade grant request of $19,800 1914 01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,520 for property improvement grant request 1915 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,920 at 3501 Maple Avenue with the following 1916 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:03,030 conditions. 1917 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,199 All areas of existing deteriorated 1918 01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:10,640 sighting will replace will be replaced 1919 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,000 with an infill facade material 1920 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,600 complementaryary to the existing brick 1921 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,950 masonry. 1922 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,480 Condition number two, the existing main 1923 01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:27,600 entry storefront system will remain as 1924 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,640 is. Condition 1925 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:35,840 three would be the black um doghouse and 1926 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,080 door for roof 1927 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:42,960 HVAC access 1928 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,719 will be painted black to match the new 1929 01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:48,719 manered 1930 01:12:48,719 --> 01:12:55,510 metal standing seam roofing material. 1931 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,120 So move 1932 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,950 >> second. 1933 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,000 » Commissioner Miller 1934 01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:03,030 >> I. 1935 01:13:03,030 --> 01:13:03,040 » I. 1936 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:04,310 >> Commissioner 1937 01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:04,320 » Commissioner 1938 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:05,110 >> I. 1939 01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:05,120 » I. 1940 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,149 >> Commissioner Stra 1941 01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:06,159 » Commissioner Stra 1942 01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:06,870 >> I. 1943 01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:06,880 » I. 1944 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,990 >> Commissioner Weber I. Chairman Grunt 1945 01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:10,000 » Commissioner Weber I. Chairman Grunt 1946 01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,070 >> I. 1947 01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:12,080 » I. 1948 01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,920 Um second motion is uh recommendation to 1949 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,080 approve the signage grant request of 1950 01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,760 $2,000 1951 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,560 for the sign as shown in the rendering 1952 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,990 above. 1953 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:27,679 So moved. 1954 01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:30,070 >> Second. 1955 01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:30,080 » Second. 1956 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,110 >> Commissioner Miller 1957 01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:31,120 » Commissioner Miller 1958 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:31,990 >> I. 1959 01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:32,000 » I. 1960 01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,110 >> Commissioner Sabota. 1961 01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:33,120 » Commissioner Sabota. 1962 01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:33,750 >> I. 1963 01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:33,760 » I. 1964 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:34,550 >> Commissioner. 1965 01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:34,560 » Commissioner. 1966 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:35,430 >> Hi. 1967 01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:35,440 » Hi. 1968 01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:36,870 >> Commissioner Weber. I 1969 01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:36,880 » Commissioner Weber. I 1970 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,830 >> Chairman Grunt. 1971 01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:37,840 » Chairman Grunt. 1972 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,350 >> I 1973 01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:39,360 » I 1974 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,320 congratulations. We got through this. 1975 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,760 Um I appreciate or we appreciate you 1976 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,440 know your 1977 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:48,960 um 1978 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,960 attitude and updating upgrading this 1979 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,600 property. Um 1980 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,080 I like many of the commissioners 1981 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,760 probably drive past this three times a 1982 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,120 week. Um so and I do appreciate the 1983 01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,560 activity it generates and I think this 1984 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,360 will only get better. Um I think we've 1985 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,360 all learned a little something here for 1986 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,239 next time around. Um I wish the 1987 01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:12,800 renderings presented were a little bit 1988 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,440 better understand to understand and 1989 01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:19,760 that's no reflection on you. Um but um 1990 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,000 had you know we had a clear picture, we 1991 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,280 probably wouldn't have been here this 1992 01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,520 long. But it's fine. It all worked out. 1993 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,600 So uh this matter will go before the 1994 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,040 president and village board of trustees 1995 01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,560 on July 13th. All the best. 1996 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,679 Um other business. Does we have a 1997 01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:37,760 department update from staff? 1998 01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:41,830 >> Uh not. 1999 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,679 Um 2000 01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:46,000 then do I have a motion to adjourn the 2001 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,400 planning and zoning meeting for June 2002 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:51,199 25th at 8:10? 2003 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:51,910 >> So moved. 2004 01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:51,920 » So moved. 2005 01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,270 >> Second. 2006 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:56,320 » Commissioner Miller 2007 01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:56,870 >> I. 2008 01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:56,880 » I. 2009 01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,149 >> Commissioner Saboda. 2010 01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:58,159 » Commissioner Saboda. 2011 01:14:58,159 --> 01:14:58,630 >> I. 2012 01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:58,640 » I. 2013 01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:59,750 >> Commissioner Straka. 2014 01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:59,760 » Commissioner Straka. 2015 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:00,310 >> Hi. 2016 01:15:00,310 --> 01:15:00,320 » Hi. 2017 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,550 >> Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grum. 2018 01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:02,560 » Commissioner Weber. I chairman Grum. 2019 01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,229 >> Hi. 2020 01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:09,669 » Thanks everyone. 2021 01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:18,630 » That was fun. 2022 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,560 We we appre we appreciate you staying. 2023 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:40,870 We do both people 2024 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:47,590 » yellow. 2025 01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:53,750 » Did you see what it used to look like? 2026 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:58,159 Do you guys know Scott's pet shop?