[1:38] Recording in progress. [2:38] » Penny, we're just going to give it another minute and see if [2:41] anyone else is pulling up here. But, we do have [2:45] quorum, so we'll be able to have the meeting. [2:48] » Okay. [3:08] » probation [4:22] » All right. Well, um we'll see if anybody else joins us a [4:26] little bit late, but we might as well get going since we have quorum. Uh it's [4:29] 5:05. I'll call the Parks, Recreation, and Forestry Committee meeting to order. [4:32] It's Wednesday, August 26th, 2026. Um we do have a quorum and the agenda [4:38] was properly posted. It's a hybrid meeting taking place both on Zoom and [4:42] here in Village Hall. Then we can move to item three, public [4:46] appearances. Public's opportunity to speak about any subject that is not a [4:49] specific agenda item. Um Charlie, we do have you for item [4:54] five. Do you want to talk then? We'll just talk during that portion. Does that [4:58] sound okay? >> At your pleasure. [5:00] » Okay. I don't think it'll take us real long to get to item five, so. [5:05] All right. Uh then uh item four, discuss and consider the [5:08] minutes of the Parks, Recreation, and Forestry Committee meeting on July 23rd, [5:12] 2026. Any edits um or comments or a motion on [5:18] the minutes? >> Motion to approve the minutes. [5:23] » Thank you, Jerry. >> Second. [5:25] » And second by Penny. Thank you. Any further discussion? [5:29] Hearing none, all those in favor say aye. [5:31] Aye. >> Aye. [5:33] » Any opposed? Any abstained? Motion carries. Thank you. Then um up to item [5:38] five, the cottonwood tree update. Um I don't know if we'll do Sean can [5:46] present his memo and then Charlie if you want to come up and we can have [5:50] discussion about that. Charlie did fill out a wish to speak form [5:55] for that item. So Sean if you want to kick off your memo [6:00] that you prepared for us, please. >> Okay. [6:03] Great. We also do have James here too. So if we have any cottonwood questions [6:08] as we get into things. Um I put a rather lengthy memo in your [6:13] packet. Um hopefully everybody's read that verbatim. [6:18] But I I just wanted to kind of just highlight the memo a little bit rather [6:22] than go through it word for word. So I'll just kind of I'll [6:25] do that right now. Um obviously the the purpose of this is to evaluate evaluate [6:30] the management options available for mature cottonwood trees in the village. [6:34] And you know with James and I kind of looking at things, we estimate that [6:37] there are less than about 50 cottonwood trees in the village, most around [6:40] private property and in slash near retention areas. So we we currently do [6:46] not have any cottonwood street trees. Um [6:50] obviously the cottonwood is a native Wisconsin tree species for recognized [6:54] for its rapid growth, broad canopy, and environmental benefits. Female trees [6:58] produce cottonwood seeds during late spring and early summer that [7:02] are commonly perceived as a nuisance because they accumulate on sidewalks, [7:05] lawns, streets, and park facilities. Although the seasonal cottonwood can [7:09] generate complaints, the cotton itself is generally a maintenance issue rather [7:14] than a public safety concern. Decisions regarding these trees should [7:17] therefore be based on on overall tree health, structural [7:21] integrity, maintenance costs, and and risk to the public rather than solely on [7:25] seed production. Um so I I wanted to [7:30] again apologize for the lengthy um memo, but I wanted to make sure that you guys [7:34] had some options to look at and I tried to lay those out the best that I could. [7:39] Um so if If do nothing um and just kind of leave things the way [7:42] that they are, um the advantage to the that is it preserves a mature preserves [7:48] a mature tree that provides significant shade and aesthetic value. [7:52] Continues to provide environmental benefits including carbon sequestration, [7:57] which is capturing the CO2 from the atmosphere, storm water interception, [8:01] air quality, and wildlife habitat. Maintains existing [8:05] landscape character, avoids removal expense. Mature trees provide [8:11] ecological benefits, more ecological benefits than newly planted trees. [8:16] Disadvantages to doing nothing, annual production of cotton seed can create a [8:19] nuisance conditions in parks, streets, sidewalks, and residential areas. And [8:24] also disadvantage would be increased maintenance. So those are just kind of [8:28] the highlights of the do nothing. Option two is treat and maintain. [8:33] Advantages, it extends the useful life of the tree, reduces the likelihood of [8:37] branch failures through proactive maintenance, protects the community's [8:42] investment in mature tree canopy, delays significant expense of a removal and [8:47] replacement. Um and that would allow for ongoing [8:52] evaluation as as tree conditions change. Um disadvantages, recurring maintenance. [8:59] So if we if we wanted to require treatment, it is a recurring thing, it's [9:04] not a one-time cost. And the treatment does not eliminate the [9:09] cottonwood production, it just reduces the cottonwood production. [9:13] Um if we [9:17] wanted to do tree removal, so asked that that all of those cottonwood trees be [9:21] removed. Advantages, biggest biggest advantage is it eliminates future [9:26] cottonwood production and associated maintenance. [9:28] Removes safety concerns with declining trees, reduces long-term liability [9:32] associated with maintaining an aging tree. Disadvantages, the immediate [9:36] removal costs are high. Likely $3,000 roughly on a mature mature tree. [9:43] Um the loss of shade and then the reduction in wildlife habitat. [9:48] Um municipal considerations, uh things that I just wanted to throw in there, [9:52] the village has a responsibility to maintain public trees in a manner that [9:55] protects public safety while preserving the long-term health health and value of [9:59] the forest urban forest. While cottonwood production can be [10:02] inconvenient, it is generally not sufficient justification by itself for [10:06] removing a healthy tree. Decisions should instead [10:09] be based on objective criteria such as structural conditions, public safety, [10:13] maintenance requirements, site restraints, [10:16] uh and then the overall life expectancy. Um [10:21] If we wanted to address this ordinance-wise, [10:24] um um adopting an ordinance that [10:26] specifically regulates female cottonwood trees um from everything that I've seen [10:30] and and folks that I've talked to is is generally not recommended. Species [10:35] specific ordinances can create enforcement challenges, increase costs [10:39] to property owners, and encourage removal of healthy healthy trees that [10:42] continue to provide significant public benefits. Cotton production is a natural [10:46] characteristic of the species and and does not by itself [10:50] constitute a hazardous condition. Instead, municipalities typically [10:54] regulate trees through broader tree maintenance and public safety ordinances [10:57] that apply equally to all trees. And so, what we kind of already do is we refer [11:03] to ordinance 294 three and then uh D which addresses hazardous private trees, [11:08] requires property owners to maintain maintain trees [11:12] so they do not create hazards to the public. The ordinance uh addresses dead [11:16] or dying trees, trees with structural defects, trees interfering with sidewalk [11:21] streets, utilities, or public infrastructure, and uh authority for the [11:25] village to require pruning or removal after inspection. So, which is those are [11:30] all things that we do James does on a daily basis that we're, you know, [11:34] constantly addressing any any hazard trees that are out there and and a good [11:38] example is we we just sent a letter to the [11:41] homeowner. What what's that daycare on N? [11:45] Um >> Preschool City Kids, I don't [11:47] » Yeah, right right right across from Cottage Grove School. There were some [11:50] trees hanging down branches hanging down. We sent them a letter. They cut [11:54] them they cut them off. Everything's is is much better. [11:57] Um Public tree planting policy rather than [12:00] regulating existing cottonwoods the village could adopt a policy limiting [12:04] future planting of female cottonwood trees on municipal property. [12:08] Um the policy could include uh approved street tree list which we do have and [12:13] cottonwoods are not specifically called out. Correct, James? [12:18] » They're not on the list. Excuse me, they're not on the list, but [12:23] we can put them on the prohibited list. We can add that. [12:28] » Um Uh diversity goals, uh selection [12:32] criteria based on maintenance requirements, um [12:35] replacement standard for trees that are removed. Um this allows the village to [12:39] gradually diversify its urban forest without necessarily removing [12:43] um healthy trees. So, and then my recommendation based on [12:47] um what I saw, what I who I talked to, what [12:50] I read, um was basically um [12:53] if we wish to reduce future main maintenance concerns with cottonwood [12:56] trees, the preferred long-term strategy is to adopt an urban forestry policy [13:00] that discourages future planting of female cottonwood trees on municipal [13:04] property while maintaining a diverse, resilient, um sustainable public tree [13:09] canopy. Um so [13:12] it is recommended based on available information, um it is recommended that [13:16] the village continue to evaluate female cottonwood trees individually rather [13:20] than adopting a specific or species-specific ordinance. [13:25] So, in a nutshell that's the that's the information that I [13:30] came up with. So, again, I wanted to provide the committee with some possible [13:34] options. Um obviously, those are not all of the options. Uh you guys can think of [13:39] something different, but um open to questions, thoughts [13:44] based on my memo. [13:50] » Um [13:54] and I was wondering, James, was there anything else you want to add [13:58] from that on your daily work? >> I I would add that um just to clarify to [14:02] the committee that we do not have any cottonwood trees in the boulevards [14:07] within the public right-of-ways. Where we have them is in the drainages, [14:12] retention areas. So, what we want to consider is access [14:19] um in identifying these trees, cuz access will be difficult. And removals, [14:25] these are big trees, may need to be contracted out to take [14:29] down if removal is an option versus treatment. [14:36] » Thank you. Um questions? >> Question for James, are there [14:41] other than willow trees, which comes to mind, are there other trees to fill the [14:45] need of what you just described in those wetland areas, you know, where you want [14:49] to maybe help that tree take care of some of the over-flooding challenges and [14:54] things like that? Are there other species of trees that are desirable to [14:57] plant in those wetland kind of areas that would be beneficial, or for the [15:01] most part, no? >> Um [15:04] depending on how well these areas are drained, you could go to certain oak [15:08] trees. Um more beneficial, lower maintenance. Um [15:13] yeah, the cottonwoods need to be checked on versus [15:17] from breaking apart in storms. Um willows, as well. We've had issues with [15:22] Willows and the retention areas that have fallen apart and we're in there too [15:27] often to to deal with those. [15:31] So, there are other options if we had to replace the cottonwoods. [15:37] » And that would bring up a budget part of things too. It's like if we were going [15:41] to cut those down and want to replace that's obviously an additional expense. [15:45] Um, out of that 50 James, what do you think [15:49] how many of those 50 would you guess are on public property? [15:53] You know, can you know, obviously our our our storm water drainage areas is [15:56] the most >> We've [16:00] if we include thorough examination of what we have out there. I think Thaden [16:05] is a big area that could have cottonwoods. [16:09] I would say we have at least 50 on our public [16:15] drainages and retention areas and that would not include private [16:21] private property. So, the 50 number is probably that we're going to have to [16:27] deal with. [16:31] » Thank you. Charlie, if you want to come up and [16:34] thanks for bringing this item forward for discussion and I appreciate you [16:38] being here tonight to help us continue that. [16:47] » So, I'm Charlie Rogers. I live on Old Town 211 Royal Street. [16:52] And the whole start of this was never to remove all the cottonwood trees in [16:57] Cottage Grove. That was never even discussed or brought forward. [17:02] All of the ordinance that I supplied to you guys were all what are considered [17:06] complaint driven. Meaning if there's a problem, excuse me, [17:11] then a complaint is filed and then the solutions are either treated or [17:15] something else. And that's something that we're dealing [17:19] with in my neighborhood, okay? Um [17:23] the public nuisance we understand quite [17:26] well. But the thing that I want to stress [17:28] tonight is the flammability of this situation. [17:32] Um during Fireman's Festival, which is the [17:36] peak shedding time for these trees, there is anywhere from 3 to 5 in of [17:42] can I say fluff, or do I have to call it cottonwood seed? [17:46] » We know fluff. >> Okay. There's anywhere and again, it [17:49] depends on the season because they go through cycles. Some years are better, [17:53] some years are worse. Um anywhere from 3 to 5 in of this fluff [17:58] in the parking lot behind my house and on our property also. [18:04] Um somebody throws a cigarette butt down and Heidi hopefully has the a video that [18:10] we can show you about the flammability of this substance. [18:14] Uh it's not not it's very lethal, okay? [18:19] Um and we're not you know, like I said, we're not asking James to be the police, [18:23] tree police, and go out looking for trees. [18:26] All we're asking for is a complaint-driven [18:29] ordinance to say, we have a problem, here is how we solve the remedy, okay? [18:35] You either treat your tree or remove it. Okay? Um because it is a fire hazard. [18:42] Okay? Um [18:45] and the it's a mechanism before it has to go to [18:50] like a legal situation, which none of us want. I mean, we're we're working with [18:55] our neighbor to if she can't or I if they can't afford [18:59] it, we're willing to help them, okay? Uh you know, we're not bad neighbors, but [19:05] it's a situation where and I don't know, Heidi, do you want to [19:08] put that up, the flammable part? But imagine the liability that would [19:14] happen if someone threw a cigarette butt down in these 3 to 5 in of fluff with [19:19] all the cars parked there during the festival. [19:31] And then I'll I'll finish, too, is as far as the cost to implement this [19:35] um is minimal to to none. And again, if there was a complaint in a course, there [19:40] would be a small cost for James to go out or the paperwork to be filed. But, [19:44] as far as the cost would be minimal to the village [19:48] in my opinion. [19:51] And again, it uh on the uh municipal considerations [19:58] con consist cons [20:00] causes a hazardous condition. [20:05] I'll emphasize that. Causes a hazardous condition. [20:09] And hopefully the And again, I don't know if if any of you [20:12] watched the videos that I asked you to last meeting. [20:16] Um it's not [20:19] a little. It's an explosive [20:24] flame. [20:34] I don't know I don't know whether the volume will come through there, so I'll [20:36] just check out my sound of [20:42] Now, this is >> I gathered a bucket of cotton and this [20:45] will demonstrate how flammable the cotton [20:47] This is in my fireplace, my fireplace. Jesus. [20:54] » Imagine the parking lot of that. [20:58] Or a neighborhood. >> I've gathered a bucket of cotton and [21:02] this will demonstrate how flammable the cotton is. This is in my fireplace. [21:09] » Jesus. [21:13] » Tell my wife. My wife actually did a small experiment [21:17] in the backyard along the fence line thinking it would be a small little [21:23] flame and this this was only like 3 in. That's of course an exaggeration. Um, [21:28] and it freaked her out. Luckily she had water [21:32] available to put it out, but it just took off. [21:36] Um, and again, you have a festival, you have a parking [21:40] lot full of cars, and you got 3 or 5 in of that. [21:44] That can consist consider be a hazard of [21:48] condition in my opinion. So, um, I would just ask you to [21:52] reconsider. Um, minimally I would like to have an [21:56] ordinance that says you can't plant female cottonwoods. Like [22:00] Madison's had one for 50 years. Um, ideally I'd like a complaint driven [22:07] ordinance. [22:10] And again, I appreciate you guys' time. Um, [22:14] and again, it's to me it's a safety hazard. It's not a nuisance anymore, [22:18] it's a safety hazard. Okay? Thank you. [22:23] » Thanks, Charlie. Um, [22:27] so, uh, [22:30] Sean, did you have any chance to talk to legal about our current ordinance and [22:36] how maybe specific situations, you know, [22:41] given proximity to, you know, high traffic type events that [22:47] maybe it is more of a um, [22:50] a hazardous nuisance or like how how can we objectively [22:57] apply that ordinance for various situations, I guess. [23:02] » Overall, legal wants us to stay out of private tree issues as much as we can. [23:08] Um we we typically now address hazards that [23:13] are going to fall that could fall onto into the right-of-way, [23:17] onto a car or, you know, into the street, sidewalk, that that those [23:22] situations. Typically, if it's a private tree and it looks like it's dead in the [23:26] backyard, we we don't get involved in those. I think we have um on a couple of [23:31] occasions where it was very imminent that it could fall on a [23:36] um on another property, but um [23:41] overall, their suggestion is that we kind of stay out of that. Um we could [23:47] James, I think we could simply we could add this to the prohibited street tree [23:52] list as James as James mentioned. Um that really would only give us govern [23:57] and governance on the street tree. I don't know we would have to we would [24:03] have to definitely change the ordinance to make it so that they couldn't do it [24:06] as a private street tree. James, anything to add to that? [24:10] » Um I would I would think [24:15] getting it on the prohibited list and then [24:19] if I see [24:22] trees being planted on private property and something doesn't look right [24:26] and I can I would need something to cite that, you know, that can't be planted [24:33] even on private on the private side of things. [24:37] I just need clarification on that. And what I what my boundaries are and [24:42] what I can enforce, so to speak. >> To Charlie's point about that, that [24:49] feels like that's making you be the tree police. That seems like you have a lot [24:53] of other things going on and that that would be a real [24:57] challenge to go around peeking in backyards and [25:01] » And also to go with what Charlie said is [25:04] that this would be complaint driven, you [25:06] know, so that we're not going to ask I don't think we would ever ask James to [25:10] just go drive around and look for cottonwood trees, but more like if the [25:13] neighbors are you know, if there's a complaint driven then if there is a [25:16] complaint then it gives us an opportunity to to do something. We don't [25:19] have anybody in the village that does any you know, sidewalk inspections or um [25:24] uh uh long grass all of that stuff is [25:27] complaint driven. So that that could be the same type of a situation. We could [25:31] absolutely do that for sure. [25:37] » So that would be more not just add cuz that's an easier administrative thing to [25:42] add them to the prohibited street tree list because that's not an ordinance, [25:45] but if we wanted to create no new plantings [25:48] then that would need ordinance, right? >> I believe so since we don't currently I [25:54] think it could be added to the nuisance ordinance that's [25:58] already there. We could just add another line I again I don't know exactly how [26:02] that works on the legal end of things, but we could certainly add it to that or [26:05] we would have to create its own section, but [26:08] adding it to the to the street tree list is an easy one because our ordinance [26:12] currently states that it's a fluid document and if somebody wants a copy of [26:16] it they have to contact me because we are changing that and James you know, [26:20] James will chime in and say hey no, we can't we can't have this one on the list [26:23] anymore. So that's an that's an easy one for sure to just put it on the [26:27] prohibited list, but it doesn't Nobody I mean are people actually planting [26:32] cottonwood trees anymore? I mean >> No, the nurseries [26:36] don't offer them because to municipalities in particular because we [26:41] don't nobody wants them in the public right-of-ways for the [26:46] the hazard is they mature they just die. That's what they do and they don't break [26:51] apart from the top down, they they'll break loose at the roots. So, they're [26:55] just a known hazardous tree once they mature and [27:01] nobody wants to deal with them in the public right-of-ways, so [27:04] that's why the ones we we've identified are all within the drainages, retention [27:09] areas where they're kind of out of the way and [27:12] they they're old older trees. >> Sure, they're not in an area that they [27:17] drop a branch and someone walking or a car or something along those lines which [27:22] yeah, street trees. >> I discussed with Shawn, we do have some [27:25] on private side of the Door Creek drainage through Community Park that [27:30] could fall into the park. So, that's something I would be watching at [27:35] watching and I I do monitor that edge cuz we're always removing some trees [27:39] that kind of fall limbs that fall into the park. [27:43] So. >> Okay, so that [27:47] kind of covers that aspect of safety and I'm glad Kevin's here now too because [27:52] maybe he's heard some things from the fire side about fire hazards of [28:00] Use your There's some on the Yep, thank you. [28:02] » Yeah, I'm sorry. We really don't talk about that type of stuff. It's so few [28:05] and far between. In fact, when Charlie pointed it out, it kind of shocked me as [28:09] much cotton as there was. But I do agree with Shawn and with the forester as far [28:13] as putting them on the prohibited list and kind of placing it like on the on [28:16] the complaint basis just like tall grass and stuff like that. No no no a nuisance [28:21] item. [28:29] » Um Are there questions, thoughts? [28:36] » One thing in my travels of trying to collect information [28:41] I was looking for a tree service to to call and I [28:45] Google it and I picked the one that said save a tree because I like save a tree. [28:49] And I just so happen to get talked to the the arborist that is [28:53] actually treating the tree um next to Charlie's. And so that's where I got a [28:58] little bit of the information as far as the cost and things go. So I believe [29:01] Charlie that they're are they at least sounds like they have plans to treat [29:05] that tree? >> Uh we have not heard back. [29:08] » Okay. >> Like I said, we're still offering to [29:10] help if she needs or if they need it. [29:15] But again, the last conversation [29:18] we had with her, um [29:21] they were going to do it but it's a spring treatment. It's not a a fall [29:24] thing. >> Yep. [29:25] » Um so [29:28] again, I'm I'm trying to solve a problem [29:32] without having to go over the next step. And as far as [29:37] um wood trees in the village, [29:40] well, that tree shed enough cotton wood to see [29:44] that I pulled cotton wood exactly out of my [29:48] yard all year long. So [29:51] you don't have to you don't have to buy it cuz you got a [29:54] lot of wood shed. And community park, your trees down [29:57] there, I know pickleball people came up to our [30:01] park at Bicentennial because they couldn't play down there. It was [30:04] shedding so bad that they were getting it in their mouths and stuff. [30:08] All the rest. So and that's a nuisance. [30:11] That's not That's not [30:12] » Yeah. >> In In talking with um the arborist from [30:18] Save a Tree, he he also said the same thing that Charlie did that cottonwood [30:23] trees work uh a [30:25] along a similar cycle to what oak trees work when it comes to dropping acorns. [30:29] They work in they fluctuate every year. About every 5 [30:32] years they have a max drop. And it could have been this could have been the worst [30:37] that it's been. Not saying that it's right or wrong. It's just they work in [30:40] cycles. Some years it's it's less than others. Um [30:44] And there's one other point that I wanted to make but I don't remember what [30:47] that was. So [30:50] I'll come back to that. [30:56] » I know during dry periods there's like no burn [31:00] orders that Does Is there ever a [31:04] something like that during cottonwood season or is that No. [31:12] Right. Yeah, that I mean Yeah, cigarette butts can light up all sorts of stuff. [31:50] Charlie was just giving us the timeline for the trees for those of you online [31:54] that it lines up with festival time when it [31:58] drops the seeds when there's the most traffic and most people in the area and [32:05] you know, kind of the highest risk time it seemed you know, that the [32:10] most traffic. Peak. Yes. Peak of the park lines up [32:15] with peak of the cottonwood. [32:23] So I guess it seems we don't have like a consideration. It's just cottonwood tree [32:28] update but it seems like consensus is definitely [32:32] add to the prohibited street tree list because that is like a no-cost [32:37] administrative [32:41] portion. Is that kind of Is it Are we understanding that right? [32:45] Doesn't >> Yeah, I mean it's a great place to [32:48] start. Put it on that list. That way in case someone does call and say it's a [32:51] nuisance, we can be like, "Well, it's on our prohibited tree list and this is how [32:55] we would take care of it." So, yeah. I'm [32:59] not sure if that gives us the ability to address a private tree. [33:06] Um that's where I think I mean we can definitely put it on the the the street [33:10] tree list, but we don't really have that problem. That's not where the problem [33:13] lies. The problem lies with the private trees. So, I think that's where if we're [33:17] looking to >> Yeah. [33:18] » I think we would have to do some sort of an ordinance adjustment. [33:21] » How does that work uh putting that in alignment with someone [33:25] that has like an unkempt yard, like long grass, stuff like that? I mean, could we [33:30] modify that ordinance or put it in with that? [33:32] » I believe that's the same nuisance nuisance ordinance. [33:34] » Nuisance >> ordinance. Um and that's where I would [33:36] have to just check with legal and and see what we can do there. So, if that's [33:40] the direction that you would like me to go, then I can come back to you in at [33:44] the during the September meeting and tell you what that looks like. [33:47] » Yep. Yep. >> So, direction that that I'm just to make [33:51] sure the direction that I'm hearing is investigate whether we can add that to [33:57] the current nuisance or what that would look like to make it [34:01] Are we looking to make it illegal? >> No, not a not a legal tree. [34:06] » A a cottonwood tree or how do we want >> It it's it's more of a nuisance. So, [34:09] like there's male trees and there's female trees and there's ones that have [34:13] that drop the the cotton and some that don't. So, it's got to be more of a [34:17] nuisance. If someone would call and complain, then it can be addressed. [34:21] » But then how are we addressing that? That's what That's what we need to You [34:24] know, it's like are we going to Are we going to require Is the village part of [34:27] this ordinance? Is the village going to require either that it be treated or [34:31] removed? Are would >> Is that are those the two options that [34:33] you guys are thinking? >> Yeah, cuz if if they want to keep their [34:36] tree then treat it. If they don't want their tree then remove it. [34:40] » So and and all that is based on a complaint driven. So just in this [34:45] example, Charlie comes to to me to us and says, here we go, then we then we [34:50] start taking taking a look at that tree. Is that what you guys are thinking? I [34:53] just want to make sure I'm clear. >> 100%. [34:56] » Jay? >> Yes. [34:58] » Yeah. And Penny or or Amy, anything to add? [35:03] » Um I'm a little Oh, is that me? I have an echo. Um okay, [35:08] just taking this to an extreme. What if my lovely neighbor has a tree and they [35:13] never rake and it's really dry and there's 5 in of leaves that might pose [35:19] maybe not as combustible but the same type of um nuisance. I mean [35:26] then what? Do we have to start really I mean this is one specific tree [35:31] but there are other trees that could cause the same type of situation. I just [35:37] want to be really careful that we don't you know, become this weird HOA type of [35:42] community where I'm going to complain and you have to treat and I don't know. [35:48] I'm just hesitant about jumping to that. [36:00] » Thanks, Penny. Um [36:03] Amy? Do you have any I just want to make sure [36:06] that we get everybody online that [36:13] wants to add in. [36:17] Um cuz it's yeah, it's I just want to make sure we get an opportunity for [36:21] everyone. I mean that that is um that is an interesting point because [36:27] different trees can pose, you know, different types [36:30] of hazards. Um, you know, things drop, things that [36:35] are poisonous for dogs or [36:41] Yeah, that that does kind of it opening up the door on [36:47] you know, what constitutes a hazard, I guess, is um [36:51] an interesting way to um to look at it. [36:58] But also recognizing that, you know, that [37:01] the fluff is quite um flammable. [37:10] I mean, we could take it to the village board and get, you know, them to [37:14] weigh in also and give us some [37:19] additional information or direction. [37:25] » Yeah, I I mean, the [37:29] That one. Yeah, sorry. I I I mean, the fluff is flammable, just like Penny [37:33] says. Everyone has trees, they all drop leaves. Leaves are flammable, too. [37:38] Um, but this is a little different, I think, [37:40] as far as cottonwoods go. We're trying to eliminate cottonwoods for reasons. [37:45] Um, and there's a way to treat them so that they don't drop their cotton. [37:49] Uh, every other tree that drops leaves, you can't treat them so they don't drop [37:52] their leaves. It's kind of a different situation. This is more of a [37:57] trying to put a leash on the cottonwood issue. [38:02] Uh And I don't think it would be like [38:04] people's leaves falling in their neighbor's property. [38:07] Uh, because there's actually an avenue to treat this as far as treating the [38:11] tree to eliminate the cotton. That's kind of the way I look at it. [38:23] It's kind of our next steps, um [38:27] we could have kind of a [38:32] ask the village board or report up to the village board and just see if they [38:35] have any feedback and ask [38:38] the legal team what that might look like in a ordinance and how much that might [38:42] cost. I don't know if we can authorize the cost for an ordinance or if that has [38:46] to go through public hearing at plan commission also. I'm not sure where it [38:50] lies in ordinance or if the village board I mean obviously the village board [38:54] would have to approve an ordinance change also. [38:56] » I guess to add to what I already saying I I would like to first hear the like [39:01] the legal piece of that and for them to be able to [39:05] share with us maybe addressing some of what Penny's [39:09] saying does that then apply to all these other things that could happen [39:13] that somebody could say, "Oh, you know, their dried grass because it's 4 ft tall [39:18] is flammable and you know." So I think to get some guidance from our [39:23] legal folk would be first step. I don't I feel [39:26] like the village board might have the same [39:29] kind of debate and discussion as we will and come to similar [39:34] kind of conclusions. So I feel like we're the park rec and forestry group [39:37] they want us to come up with a recommendation and I feel like we can do [39:41] that. Um so I but I would think I would first [39:44] just like to see what a legal Okay. [39:48] » Yeah, I I I feel the same way. >> Yeah, I feel like let's [39:51] let me tie this all together and um I can address the [39:56] the ordinance part of things in the memo as well and you know, present the whole [40:00] thing to the board. I think I feel like that they would just say the same thing [40:04] that let's get more information, you know, when it comes to that ordinance [40:06] part of things and and then [40:09] to at the village board meeting we will have legal present as well. So if [40:13] there's any outlying questions that happen, you know, during that discussion [40:17] they can chime in at that point. So, um if everybody's good with it, then that's [40:21] what I'll do. I'll get I'll just continue to get information on what that [40:25] ordinance looks like and what that entails and [40:28] you know, if they feel like this is a a good thing to try and force, [40:32] you know, to try and force through is is just see what their general [40:37] temperature is. [40:41] » Okay. Other direction for Shawn on next steps here. [40:49] Okay. All right. If nothing else, then it looks like we'll get some more [40:53] information again and and [40:56] it's good it's a spring treatment um time frame cuz we have some more time to [41:02] figure out how this um might look for us. [41:06] Yeah. Thank you, Charlie. Anything else on this item? [41:11] All right. Then we can move to uh Shady Grove Park update. [41:16] » Yeah, Shady Grove is done uh with the exception of we're still working through [41:20] some electrical things um just to get power [41:24] into the shelter and then power to the AED. There is currently not an AED in [41:28] there yet, but that's because we we don't have power in there. That that [41:31] that that will be addressed here in the next week or so and so then the park [41:35] will be completely finished and ready to roll. So, we're in a good spot. [41:42] Happy that this one's done. >> I drove by the other day and there were [41:46] about four families there playing, so it's great. Um questions for Shawn on [41:50] Shady Grove Park. [41:53] All right. Then we'll keep moving to the Juniper Fields Parkland update. [41:58] » So, had some initial discussion with uh Strand and Blake from Park Architecture [42:03] um for the Juniper Fields and um it it's looking like we will [42:12] yeah, the September meeting, Blake will be here and we'll start to talk about [42:15] how that lays out and what we like with that. So, he was pretty encouraged by [42:20] what was there um and what they designed kind of we want to maybe tweak some [42:26] spots and maybe try and extend some some green space as much as we can into the [42:30] hill kind of over by the pool, but um overall I think we're in a we're in a [42:34] great place. So, something to look forward to for [42:37] that budget meeting which will be in September, but we'll we'll bring Blake [42:41] in and and kind of hammer that out. [42:45] » Great questions on the Juniper Fields Parkland. [42:51] All right, then we'll keep going um item eight discuss and consider Outlot five [42:56] signage. There are a couple of mock-ups and quote estimate in the packet. [43:05] » Yeah, just let me pull that up quick so I can [43:08] share the renderings with you. [43:15] Okay, I think Amy's on too, but we talked about this a little bit at [43:20] previous meetings and um let me just share, hopefully, [43:26] share the two items that we came up with. [43:33] There we go. [43:39] Okay, so this was the first option. Um [43:43] I don't know if I can make this any bigger. [43:46] Um let me let me Can I clarify, Shawn, is that the one that's considered the [43:50] larger sign? >> Yes. Let me let me let me do the let me [43:53] try this real quick to get you a better picture. [44:05] » While he's doing that, I'll just say that um um [44:10] the verbage that's being used on the sign is something that I put together [44:15] based on what I found through the historical society, what I know, you [44:20] know, personally and from the neighbors in that neighborhood, [44:24] um and I tried to make it something that A, [44:28] Shawn and I discussed how the sign should look so that it looks like other [44:31] signs, you know, in our village, but also um I wanted to make sure that it [44:37] touched on the history of Cottage Grove and more specifically the Fading Horse [44:42] Farm that was there, but also touched on the conservancy and the different [44:48] wildlife that we have here in the village and [44:52] you know, that makes their home in that area. [44:58] » So, as you can see in your screen, this is [45:00] the larger of the two signs. I'll just show you quickly the smaller. [45:05] Um I really really I think Amy did a great job with this and I really like [45:10] how this particular sign lays out um in comparison. It's a bigger sign, so this [45:16] this sign would be um in size compare comparison to uh the one at Bakken Park [45:22] or our larger parks, our larger park signs. We have two different size signs. [45:27] Take uh Red Hawk, that is that is more like it's even it's a little bit smaller [45:31] than that, but um the one that I like is is it's going to be the larger sign. And [45:37] I just think it laid out really well. I like the colors. [45:40] Um one thing I just want to make sure we're okay with Horseshoe Park um in [45:44] calling it that, um [45:46] but also just looking for a recommendation. Uh I did put the two the [45:51] two costs in there. Um let me pull that up. I don't remember what that was off [45:57] the top of my head. >> 1,800 and 2,200. [46:00] » Yeah, 1,800. Yeah. [46:03] So. >> And Horseshoe Park obviously is an odd [46:07] to the Fading Horse Farm, but also where that Outlot is specifically is the shape [46:12] of a horseshoe. [46:17] That does work out perfectly. >> Do you want a motion, Shawn? [46:21] » Yeah, just Uh, the smaller sign is 18 18. The [46:25] larger sign is 21 93. Just so that that's [46:27] » Yeah, they're they're pretty comparable in price, but I like the layout of the [46:30] larger sign. It's easier to read from from the road. [46:34] So, my motion would be to go with the larger sign. [46:38] » Second. >> Motion motion and second. Um, further [46:42] discussion. Um, what does the [46:48] budget look like for that? Or I think maybe some people might have been [46:52] interested in contributing or how does it look? [46:55] Um. Or would this be something that we'd [46:59] build into the budget for next year and install next year? I guess is [47:03] » Those are the two options. Yeah, I currently I don't have $2,000 laying [47:08] around to do this right now. Um, I thought there was some talk of possibly [47:12] donations, but if we don't have that this year and and if we if we purchase [47:17] it we're looking at about 8 weeks to get it. So, either [47:21] we try and do it in donations or it is a budget proposal for for next year, which [47:26] I don't think that a $2,000 budget proposal is going to be a big deal. [47:34] » Do we want to add on to the motion or just give Shawn direction from [47:39] here on how we want to work work on it? [47:43] » Do the Amy, is has there been any push for conversations about donations [47:49] for the sign? [47:53] » Um, I do have a neighbor that is willing to [47:58] um donate some money. I was not sure on the pricing of the signs. [48:04] Um so I can't I can't give you a dollar [48:08] amount, but I think that they would throw in a good amount [48:13] toward that. So [48:16] » Yeah. >> Um even if we could get half of it [48:21] I I haven't posed it to the neighborhood yet because we hadn't [48:26] chosen the sign, but I feel like there would be people in that neighborhood [48:30] willing to donate. I could be wrong, but I know for sure [48:33] one of them has agreed to yes. >> Yeah, I mean I'm one of your neighbors [48:37] and I probably would donate like 500 bucks to this [48:40] um just because it is really nice. Uh but knocking on people's doors, I'm [48:44] sure we would we would get donations, but if we sit on our heels the village [48:49] will pay for it next year, so. Kind kind of the way to look at it. [48:55] Can Can you remind me and then the other thing was I I forget where we were going [48:58] to place this. >> Yeah, I don't think we came up with an [49:02] exact location, but I believe inside the sidewalk. [49:05] Um just inside the sidewalk is where what I would recommend, you know, a few [49:09] feet off so somebody doesn't hit it on a bike or scooter, but then also not so [49:13] far in that it obstructs the green space. [49:15] And I would rather not put it on the between the sidewalk and the curb. [49:19] That's just it's more likely to be damaged, snow plow, whatever in there, [49:24] so. That's That would be what my thought [49:26] would be. Somewhere kind of Amy, I don't know if you thought differently, but I [49:29] thought like somewhere right smack dab in the middle, you know, between the two [49:32] houses on the on each side of it. Um [49:35] that's what I envisioned. >> Between the [49:40] Oh, no. Cuz I thought when you and I first [49:43] talked I don't think that's a good place only [49:46] because there's so many kids that go there and play [49:50] they have running baseball games there and kickball games. And so that would be [49:54] kind of in where they play. So I was thinking more toward the curve. [50:00] » I think we're we're talking about the same thing, but I just I'll bring it up [50:03] here quick. >> Okay. [50:04] » Just so that everyone >> Probably cuz I know you and I went over [50:07] it and you put it where I would have put it. [50:14] Maybe that is more toward the middle. >> Yeah. [50:16] » it is kind of toward the [50:19] I think they got it. >> I I don't know if we can place it [50:22] between the curb and the sidewalk. Then it would be an obstruction if a car [50:26] would hit it. >> No, the curve c u r v e [50:29] curve curve on the curve on the on the turn on the [50:34] » Yeah, right where that cursor is. >> Yeah, and I the A you what I was say I [50:37] don't know if you can see my cursor, but I was thinking like somewhere [50:40] » Yep. >> in this area here. So it'd be between [50:42] the between the sidewalk and the trees. So not on the in the park row or in the [50:46] terrace. You know, somewhere in this vicinity right here. It is a single [50:50] sided sign, so it would be facing the street as opposed to you know, [50:54] perpendicular to the street. So that's kind of the location that I was [50:57] » what I That's exactly what I was thinking. Right there is I was saying [51:01] curve not curb. >> Yep. [51:02] » c u r v e, so yes, on the curve. Yes. Yep. [51:07] » So do now that we've kind of picked a design and is it everybody is good with [51:13] the >> We can vote on that. [51:14] » Oh, we haven't voted yet. >> Right, we haven't voted on that part. Do [51:17] we want to add something for the for the budget to that motion? [51:21] » a question? >> Oh, yes, Penny, go ahead. [51:24] » Okay, so excuse my ignorance. I have not been to this Dayton Natural Area, but [51:30] what you're showing on screen, do people go in there and walk around? [51:37] Is that true? Is are there paths and things for people to walk? [51:41] » No, there's there's an ATC clearance. It is not a path. There's not paths back [51:46] there. That is a That is incorrect. [51:51] » So my question then is [51:55] naming it Horseshoe Park to me park suggests a place that I can go [52:02] and do park things. Um [52:07] I love the nod to the Horseshoe. I think that part is awesome, but I'm just [52:12] thrown a little bit by the park. And again, I haven't been into this [52:15] wonderful area, so >> Horseshoe open space. I I mean it is [52:20] people use it as an open space park. Like they play, like I said, [52:25] pick up kickball games and they've go and hit some golf balls and [52:30] they I don't know. We We fly kites out there. [52:37] » And people do use it for recreation then. [52:40] » Yeah. >> It's good. [52:42] » Yep. >> I think and just to clarify Penny your [52:45] question that it's the part that's mowed or the green space [52:49] is like the park area, but the conservancy is like 20 acres, right? [52:53] It's like that whole big area behind that that that's not really accessible. [52:58] » Yeah. [53:01] » Yeah, this this whole area, if you can see my cursor, this whole area is [53:05] considered Dayton and it is dedicated parkland. So in our in our parks and [53:11] open space plan it is even outlot five is considered parkland. So we could call [53:16] it a park if we can call it whatever you want, but we could rightfully call it a [53:21] park. >> And so maybe I don't know if you were [53:24] thinking this maybe I'm assuming this Penny, but what you're saying is if we [53:27] name it a park, it's a park and people are in it [53:30] that's okay. And that they can use it somehow. [53:36] Is that where you're kind of going or am I reading into that? [53:39] Like if I I to start walking back in that 20 acres I can do that because it [53:43] says it's a park. [53:47] » I might be confused if I looked at the list of Cottage Grove parks and I went [53:51] there and where's but Again, I'm not familiar. This is I know [53:56] um you know [53:59] this is a a project that Amy is driving and Kevin lives by it. [54:05] I'm just not familiar enough with the with the acreage to know [54:11] if park's a good name for it or not. [54:16] » Yeah, I mean from what I understand it's it's a Faden I mean it's a park but it's [54:20] more a natural area. Um you know, is park the right word for [54:25] it? I don't know. Is natural area a better word for it? Horseshoe natural [54:28] area? It's a lot of lot of verbage. Calling it [54:33] a park is fine. I mean we have multi we have multi-use spaces. [54:39] » I'm sorry, Kevin. >> Yeah, no, it's fine. [54:42] Yeah, we have multi-use spaces and this is just one giant multi-use space for [54:46] the kids in the neighborhood to play ball or frisbee or whatever. [54:53] » It's if you imagine like [54:58] like a kickball field that's the size that that general area [55:03] is. That's the widest area. And so like I said [55:09] you know people go there and hit golf balls, they go there and fly kites and [55:16] but it's only that one space. [55:21] Like it doesn't it's not it's big enough for a kickball field, it's not big [55:26] enough for anything else. You can't play kickball and fly a kite. [55:30] Um it's just an open space but that whole [55:35] area is called Faden Natural Area. And Faden Natural Area runs from [55:41] you know, the post office to Outlot 5 all the way down to [55:47] um Overby uh Taylor Prairie Taylor Prairie School, [55:52] yeah. I mean, it's it's that whole area. So, Outlot 5 is one [55:58] lot within Faden Natural Area. >> So, would it would To me, it makes [56:04] better sense to call it Faden Conservancy. [56:09] Um part I believe, you know, part of all of this process is to maybe [56:15] take Faden out of everyone's thought process as to something that's [56:18] developable if that's a correct way to say that. So, to me, if we if we call it [56:23] Faden Conservancy it that to me, that just means like it [56:28] is what it is and this is what it's going to be. I don't disagree with [56:31] Penny. If we start calling it a park, do do people then expect us to treat it [56:36] more like a park and develop it like >> So, then it would it Yeah, so then it [56:40] could be Faden Conservancy and Horseshoe Natural Area. [56:48] » Yeah, I think we definitely don't want to give the impression that people [56:51] should come and hike through all of these woods. [56:56] Cuz we're not Yeah. That's kind of what we were trying to [56:59] avoid a little bit. >> Right. [57:03] » Well, although it does say on the sign something, "Please keep to the open [57:07] space." >> Okay, that's a [57:10] that is a good Yeah, if we can pair the naming with [57:15] that the I think >> Yeah. [57:17] » Or enforce it, yeah. >> Or if you can somehow think we're just [57:20] renaming Outlot 5. It's not going to be called Outlot 5. It's going to be called [57:24] something else, and that might be Horseshoe Park. [57:28] Because if we say Faden Conservancy, then that's the whole area. Where if we [57:32] say Horseshoe Park, it's just the area that's mowed. [57:37] But I mean, as far as a park, we don't really have There's no [57:41] we don't have to develop park parkland. We can just kind of leave it, too. So. [57:45] » We can. It's just more about the about the appearance of what that's going to [57:49] be. And it would even if we were to develop it, Outlot 5 [57:54] would be part of the park. So, I think we could call the overall area Staden [58:00] Conservancy and call it good. [58:04] You know, if everybody's okay with that. Amy? [58:06] » I'm fine with that. >> I'm fine with that, too. Can I just One [58:09] more thing. Um what do we call the woods behind the composting site? [58:14] » Oaken Gate. >> Is it called what? [58:17] Oaken Gate Park or just >> It is Oaken Gate Park. Yeah. [58:20] » Okay. So, we do name that up there. Nobody That's not something that we do [58:24] anything with other than >> Yep. [58:27] The only difference is that in my mind would be the availability [58:31] the the availability to develop Oaken Gate. We can't really develop because [58:36] it's all trees. Staden, we could develop that if we wanted to. So, that's why I [58:40] like I like the conservancy part of things. And if you guys are good with [58:45] that, then I can I can have them redo the proof and we can I can bring that [58:49] back in September. We can talk about that and then maybe between now and [58:53] September Amy can have an idea of what we're looking you know, what we might [58:57] have donated for that and make a decision as to purchasing this year or [59:00] next year. >> Good compromise. I like it. [59:04] » One thing on the sign, I was wondering if [59:07] someone wanted to donate, do we Like I've seen in other places like a [59:12] little plaque that says this bench was from this family. Like, is that [59:17] something that we would want to put on the bottom of the sign? Like [59:22] » Yeah. >> Like the the Murphy family or [59:24] » Yeah. They do a really nice job of we could [59:27] create like a a another hanging sign off of the bottom. [59:31] And then that could be you know sign donated by and you know whoever is on [59:37] there would be memorialized. Yeah, since this is a [59:40] one-sided sign you could just put a plaque on the backside of it too. [59:44] Yeah. I like that I mean if we're going to do [59:46] it I like the idea of making sure that people can see that as well. You know so [59:49] let's let's memorialize the donors and get them out there for if that's what [59:53] we're going to do. So I can I I will add that it'll probably increase the cost a [1:00:00] little bit but I will add have them add a donor panel to that a small donor [1:00:04] panel. Like do we have any idea how how many people we think would be on [1:00:11] there? Like that cuz that's going to decide the size of that sign. [1:00:15] I mean we Amy do you think we're talking a handful excuse me a handful of [1:00:19] families or 30 families? >> I can't that would donate. [1:00:24] » Yeah. >> I can't honestly answer that. I only [1:00:28] know of the one and you probably know who I'm [1:00:31] talking about that specifically said >> Sure. [1:00:34] » that he would donate a good chunk of it. [1:00:39] » Well >> So again that was before I knew I think [1:00:41] I threw out like $1,200 to him because I did not have any idea what the [1:00:46] sign would cost but I figured it would at least cost that. So [1:00:51] » Six thousand >> know. It has It has only been [1:00:56] discussed in like what ifs at this point. [1:01:00] » So >> But the last time I went to that [1:01:02] particular guy he specifically said yes I'm still in. [1:01:06] » So I think that um [1:01:10] I don't think it's going to change the cost significantly but maybe between now [1:01:14] and um the next one the next meeting we can [1:01:17] figure out who those people might be and then I can get you know Amy if you can [1:01:21] do that in the next couple weeks, um you know, just whoever's interested, and [1:01:26] tell me who that is, I can just I can have that sign created [1:01:29] uh along with the proof pretty pretty quickly. [1:01:32] » So, [1:01:37] » So, it might be um partially village, partially donation-funded, so then that [1:01:41] would be built into next year's budget, kind of installation in the spring. Is [1:01:46] that kind of a timeline that we think could be [1:01:49] » depending on what what is if we how many funds we collect donate I mean, that I [1:01:54] could have some some enough money left over in the budget to do it this year [1:01:58] depending on how that looks. And I will 100% know that [1:02:02] after we decide what, you know, if we have any donors. [1:02:06] » Okay, so it looks like we have enough direction on the funding, um and we have [1:02:09] a motion and second to approve the sign. We did make the slight change in [1:02:14] Conservancy. Um [1:02:17] Is there other any other things that I didn't capture in that, or are we any [1:02:22] other comments or questions before we take a vote? [1:02:29] All right, hearing none, all those in favor of the signage, say I. [1:02:34] » I. >> I. [1:02:36] » I. Any opposed? Any abstained? Motion carries. Thank you for [1:02:43] the work on that, Amy and Sean. >> Amy did it all. [1:02:47] Not all of it, most of it. >> And that historical [1:02:50] » I did it. Yep. [1:02:53] The Historical Society, um Paula Sieversen helped uh get me in [1:02:58] touch with people through the historical society, but yes, there were [1:03:04] I love the praise, but I didn't do it alone. [1:03:09] » All right, great. Thank you. Um item nine then is discuss uh [1:03:13] Fireman's Park master plan, which um there is another memo in the packet. [1:03:20] Um There's some some various things we have [1:03:24] to consider when looking at this park. So, Shawn, if you want to [1:03:27] go over that memo. >> Yeah. [1:03:29] Um again, another lengthy memo, not quite [1:03:32] as bad as the first one. Um during the festival, we with help we kind of [1:03:38] noticed that the driveway [1:03:40] road going through the the park is in pretty bad shape and it's really kind of [1:03:45] starting to heave in spots. So, rather than just look at [1:03:52] fixing those individual spots, I just wanted the committee's thoughts on do we [1:03:57] want to look at a bigger picture when it comes to Fireman's Park. And so, I I [1:04:02] kind of gave you a few options here. Um [1:04:07] so, the memo outlines uh addressing the condition of the driveway that runs [1:04:10] through the park. Um it's kind of it's definitely outlived its useful life and [1:04:15] we should consider whether the appropriate approach is to repair, [1:04:18] um completely replace the driveway or take the opportunity to [1:04:21] overall look at the park. Um so, option one is evaluate and repair, replace the [1:04:26] worst sections. So, we would we would look at look at what's there [1:04:31] the overall all of the driveway and identify the [1:04:34] sections that were the worst in the poorest conditions and only only those [1:04:38] areas in dire need of repair or replacement would be addressed. [1:04:42] Um obviously, this would be the least [1:04:44] expensive the least expensive option and it would extend the useful life of the [1:04:48] driveway without making a significant investment. Um however, this approach [1:04:53] does not address underlying conditions the entire of the entire driveway or [1:04:57] provide opportunity to make broader improvements. So, one of the underlying [1:05:01] conditions that we deal with is the waterline that goes through there. It's [1:05:04] extremely low. It's only six [1:05:07] maybe a foot maybe a foot down below. Um it's not it's not in great shape and [1:05:13] so that would be something that we wouldn't address in in this. [1:05:18] Um, option two um uh the exi- the existing driveway [1:05:23] would be would be removed and replaced in its [1:05:25] entirety. As part of that project, we would also recommend addressing related [1:05:29] infrastructure needs including storm water management, ADA compliance, and [1:05:34] improvements to the existing water service. [1:05:36] Um, it's a larger investment um than than repairing only the worst sections, [1:05:41] um but it would provide a long-term solution and allow the village to [1:05:44] address several infrastructure needs at the same time. [1:05:48] And option three is just doing a master plan. Um, just kind of really looking at [1:05:52] the park. There aren't We don't have a ton of options there. Um, in things that [1:05:56] we could do. Um, one that I that I really liked and I [1:05:59] kind of spelled that out as option three um would be to re- relocate the [1:06:03] concession stand, the restroom concession [1:06:06] um area, create kind of like a two-story press box facility, [1:06:11] um and we we we could move that to where the current red shed is. [1:06:16] Okay? So, remove the red shed from that area and then relocate that red shed [1:06:21] somewhere closer to the vicinity of where the [1:06:24] existing um existing hamburger stand is. So, whether [1:06:30] that be right in that location or maybe you know, it could be down the tree line [1:06:34] a little bit closer. All that all that's up to be decided. Um, but the good thing [1:06:39] about that is is that we could reuse that building. So, it could be [1:06:43] disassembled and then reassembled um in a different location. Obviously, [1:06:47] we need new concrete to put down there, but um you know, I I we don't like the [1:06:51] flow of what that provides right now, but it was the only option obviously [1:06:55] when it was built. So, putting that our storage facility kind of right in the [1:06:59] middle of the ball park and right in the middle of all the traffic areas isn't [1:07:03] optimal, but um [1:07:06] it's it's it's just what we have to deal with. So, if we were to go that route, [1:07:10] those would be the the the changes that I would suggest. [1:07:14] Um don't have costs on any of this stuff [1:07:16] cuz I wanted to get your your guys's opinion on this before we moved moved [1:07:20] anything forward. And this could possibly, depending on the direction we [1:07:23] go, it's either a budget proposal in the in the simplest form if we just take [1:07:28] care of the problem areas for next year, or it's a bigger picture item if we go [1:07:32] option three and go, you know, like and where that fits into the financial [1:07:37] management plan, I can't tell you that. So, [1:07:41] um ultimately, uh I just wanted to get your your thoughts on this and which [1:07:45] direction you guys would like me to move. [1:07:51] » And >> before anybody jumps in, option three, [1:07:53] that is just It was just something that I pulled out that we're not locked into [1:07:57] anything. I mean, there could we if if option three is what you wanted, we [1:08:01] would definitely investigate this further and make sure that that was, you [1:08:04] know, the direction that we wanted to go. In [1:08:07] um in talking with Blake, he kind of looked at the overall park and, you [1:08:11] know, the farther we get line shelter, nothing that we need to do there. The [1:08:15] shelter's in great shape. It's old, but it's in it's in really sound shape. And, [1:08:19] you know, I wouldn't Moving the playground uh we we like the playground [1:08:22] where that's at. So, rest of the park I I I think I don't think we'd touch. [1:08:27] That's all I got. [1:08:32] » Okay. [1:08:35] Uh did you think to talk to the festival chair and see if any of these ideas [1:08:40] would be intrusive to the festival? >> Negative. [1:08:45] » No. Um [1:08:47] the sh- the shed is is nice where it is cuz it's kind of in the back corner. [1:08:52] At some point, the hamburger stand's going to have to get replaced. [1:08:56] Um when that happens, does it need to be [1:08:58] there? Uh there were talks of taking the [1:09:02] Oldtimers Pavilion and leveling that and building something nicer there, [1:09:05] something like what we had at Bakken Park. [1:09:08] Um, two-story so that people can kind of observe the field and stuff like that. [1:09:14] Issue, Fireman's Park is called Fireman's Park [1:09:18] because the fire department owned it. Years ago it was donated to the village [1:09:23] for a dollar in lieu of maintenance and repairs. [1:09:26] Uh, as far as the Fireman's Festival goes, [1:09:30] it used to be this great big thing and it's had to shrink over time because of [1:09:34] things that were done in this committee. I'm fortunate enough to say and I don't [1:09:38] want to get on that soapbox and reap it, but we used to have a old-fashioned [1:09:41] horse pull for almost 60 years and we can't have it anymore because there's a [1:09:46] retention pond where the horse pull was. Um, [1:09:52] talking about leveling the shelter, talking about moving a shed and putting [1:09:58] it right where our beer tent is. Uh, I don't like talking about it until [1:10:03] the festival's done. Uh, the thing that we need to do for [1:10:06] safety's sake is to repair the sections that are damaged. It would be nice just [1:10:10] to replace all the asphalt. And then, who knows, 5 10 years from now [1:10:15] when the festival's over, if it is over at that time, [1:10:19] to look at building a bigger or larger shelter and putting it closer to the [1:10:23] field. Uh, maybe looking at paving that whole area back there where the beer [1:10:27] tent goes for parking, something like that. [1:10:30] Uh, but like I'm tasked with carrying the festival for the next five years and [1:10:35] who knows, someone might want to pick it up after that. Um, I got five more [1:10:40] years, we'll get it get it to 100, but I really want Cottage Grove to retain the [1:10:44] ability to keep a festival going. Uh, and then moving the moving the food [1:10:49] shelter or the food stand on the back side of the backstop, [1:10:54] people are going to have to walk from where the beer tent is all the way over [1:10:58] to the far corner to get any food. It's I'm I'm not for it. [1:11:03] I I would like to see the asphalt fixed at minimum and maybe the driveway redone [1:11:07] at best. But as far as a master plan goes, I don't know how you talk about [1:11:11] that uh until after the festival's done. [1:11:21] » I think it's very valuable that you're on this committee coming because I think [1:11:26] uh having that perspective and that area is [1:11:29] really important. So, I appreciate your um [1:11:32] you're being on the committee and uh [1:11:35] because we like to I mean, that's exactly why this is on the agenda so we [1:11:39] can talk about um you know, what we want to make the right Yeah. [1:11:46] right um decision for all the users of the park. So, I think um you know, [1:11:50] that's why it's here so we can talk about it. So, thank you. [1:11:56] Other thoughts? [1:12:00] » So, I was when I read it, Sean, thanks for providing us with that. [1:12:04] Um you know, obviously cost and I don't [1:12:07] know what and this is we're talking about for next year, right? [1:12:11] » Correct. >> Um [1:12:12] » Correct. >> So, you'd have to get the TBDs to be [1:12:16] actual dollar amounts for us to consider what direction we want to go with that. [1:12:22] » Correct. Um [1:12:25] you know, so my first thought was you know, number two because if you you [1:12:27] know, all of that stuff needs to be done anyway and it's you know, it feels like [1:12:32] that you know, obviously option one is the [1:12:35] the cheaper route, but it it's going to be needing to be readdressed sooner than [1:12:39] later the rest of the pieces found in option two. Is that fair to say? [1:12:43] » Yes. >> So, I just rather [1:12:46] do that if if it's somewhat cost effective to do [1:12:51] that. So, that was my thought. I was >> Option I'm sorry, Jay. Option two? [1:12:55] » Okay. >> Um and then [1:12:58] the only other thing I had was for as long as I've been on here, I've [1:13:02] heard about the hamburger stand and how it's fallen apart and it wiring is [1:13:08] unsafe and it's not ADA accessible and at some point I think we need to [1:13:13] move that forward sooner than later. Um [1:13:16] but that [1:13:19] doesn't have to be in this option. >> And I think we can we can select more [1:13:24] than one option here, too. >> Right. I was just going to say I'm [1:13:27] trying to come up with a variation. >> Yeah. So, I mean, whether that's option [1:13:30] one or we just And so, just I just today um [1:13:35] looking at option one, what we're I just got this from Kyla, we're looking at [1:13:39] roughly 35,000 to replace the There's two [1:13:43] » So, that's significant. >> two large areas. So, 35,000 to replace [1:13:48] that. And again, that is just fixing the blacktop that that is there. Um option [1:13:53] two we'll have to dive into that cuz that's obviously under some underground [1:13:57] stuff. Um and and we can and we can do either option one or option two and [1:14:02] still look at master planning option three because again, this has to be [1:14:06] inserted, you know, this is likely a very high dollar amount. Um so, this [1:14:11] would need to be inserted in the finan- financial management plan. And right [1:14:15] now, I think, you know, just for example, I think the Heidi you can help [1:14:18] with this, but I think the community park shelter isn't has been punted until [1:14:22] like 2030. So, you know, where this is going to [1:14:26] fall into that plan, you know, we could be talking 20 years before this actually [1:14:29] gets funded. Um to So, obviously the the the quickest fix is to [1:14:34] do either one or two. >> Yep. [1:14:36] » And two, you know, if if one is 35,000, two's got to be [1:14:41] » Double that. >> double at least. [1:14:43] » Okay. >> Um and that's [1:14:46] And again, I can investigate that and we can look at what that looks like. It's [1:14:49] going to take probably some money to do that to get Strand involved and really [1:14:52] look at, you know, are we talking about curbing and you know, what are we what [1:14:56] are we all or we or you know, would be included in in doing the infrastructure [1:15:00] stuff. So again, absolutely get a better price for that. [1:15:06] » Right. And if we're adding curbing and things like then that's going to be [1:15:11] storm water calculations and um [1:15:16] » Yeah, I mean I like to um [1:15:19] because we're getting a lot more done, but I honestly think doing just the [1:15:22] option one would be better. Cuz if we start doing curbing and then [1:15:26] have to do storm water retention and all these other things [1:15:30] » It's a lot of money. >> it's going to take up the space that the [1:15:32] festival uses as far as the beer tents go. As far as where the fencing goes, [1:15:37] where the rides go, where where everything [1:15:40] we we put a lot into a small area now since we lost that whole area across the [1:15:45] street. Uh and I I I liked I like seeing the pickleball courts over there. I like [1:15:51] seeing the tennis courts. I like seeing that park finished. But it does squeeze [1:15:55] us into the kind of the area that we use. So squeezing us even more with [1:16:00] um something that's going to be impossible. It's going to end up killing [1:16:03] the festival and I don't want it to do that. [1:16:06] Um we we just want the asphalt fixed, [1:16:08] honestly. [1:16:12] » And the Yeah, the the intention it's not the [1:16:17] intention of any of this to affect the festival. One one iota. [1:16:22] Um I did have a conversation with the the fire chiefs just about whether we [1:16:27] need even need that through road through there, whether that needs to be there. [1:16:33] Um and according to the the fire chiefs it does need to be there. And and I'm [1:16:37] not 100% sure, but it some of it is that it's platted [1:16:42] that there's a street through there. So, if you go on Google, it says it's a [1:16:45] complete through street. So, there could be [1:16:48] you know, the village could replat that and that might change things, but right [1:16:53] now it is considered a through street there. So, [1:16:56] um Yeah, [1:16:59] again, just options in what we're doing. Option three is the pie in the sky type [1:17:04] of a scenario and obviously several years down the road. What the only [1:17:08] difference between two and three or one and two is how much are we going to [1:17:13] stick into the infrastructure underground and does that affect option [1:17:17] three? You know, because we've stuck let's just [1:17:20] say $100,000 into this and then if we decide down the road to move it and do [1:17:25] things different, have we wasted that money? I don't think that we have, but [1:17:29] it's just what I want you guys to think about. [1:17:35] » Thanks, Shawn. So, it kind of looks like maybe we need to just firm up option [1:17:41] one's cost. Yeah. [1:17:46] » Do we Do you want me to investigate option two's cost? So, that would be [1:17:50] replacing all of it um and then doing some infrastructure [1:17:55] improvements as well. [1:17:59] » I mean, maybe if Strand I don't want Strand to spend a whole time a lot of [1:18:03] time on it initially. Like, do they think we'd need to make [1:18:07] more storm water retention just like a very high level general like if we [1:18:13] really do all of this, are we going to have to make more ponds? Is it going to [1:18:16] like significantly affect the footprint of what we have currently? I I guess [1:18:22] that might just be interesting information to know before they do like [1:18:25] a whole deep dive into like real hard costs. [1:18:29] » And I think that we can get general answers from either just Kyla on that. [1:18:33] Like, are we talking an additional storm water pond for this? I can't believe [1:18:37] that we are because we're not we're not adding any impervious surface [1:18:41] to it. Um right now any water that collects just runs off to the side. So, [1:18:46] they would push it through a you know a storm sewer likely. I'm not a storm [1:18:50] person storm water person but likely into the pond that is already there. [1:18:54] But, I think I can get some answers on that and general numbers without a whole [1:18:59] lot of cost any cost being incurred. So, if that's if you guys are good then [1:19:05] do you want do you want to insert a master plan into the overall picture? [1:19:12] Not that we have to make that decision now but do you want me to investigate [1:19:15] that for the future that you know maybe next year we at budget time or financial [1:19:20] management plan time we we insert that into it or do you want to just leave [1:19:24] that alone completely for now? >> I would be okay talking to you about it [1:19:28] as far as the festival aspects go so that we don't [1:19:33] kill the festival. And Kevin, that's never that's never a [1:19:37] part of this. >> I No, no, no, no. You've said that like [1:19:39] three times now and I do I I just want to be clear that nothing is going to [1:19:43] happen down there without approval of everybody involved. [1:19:46] » I I fully understand but if a shed gets put where the beer tent goes, if the [1:19:50] hamburger stand gets removed and moved down closer to the backstop, it all [1:19:54] affects the festival. So, just so I'm saying that. [1:20:00] » Um maybe in the interim it might be I don't know if we can [1:20:07] if we should put it on an agenda or if it's just asking like um outreach to the [1:20:12] stakeholders in the So, we got fire and festival and hometown and MG baseball [1:20:21] like kind of the stakeholders of the park. [1:20:24] Um maybe >> Hm? Pickleball group that was part of [1:20:29] the park. >> Right. Across the street but [1:20:32] um kind of get those [1:20:35] um stakeholders together to see if there's like cuz that I mean [1:20:41] like I've heard the hamburger stand situation has been talked about forever, [1:20:45] and so by not investigating how much it's going to [1:20:49] cost, we're just going to keep talking about how [1:20:52] it's like needs to be replaced. So [1:20:57] » Well, I can tell you right now that it's working [1:21:00] fine enough for festival. But I I would like to see something [1:21:04] nicer like what we have at Backen Park. [1:21:09] But we have to be careful at how we do that and when we do it so that we don't [1:21:13] remove something and leave something not there when festival happens. [1:21:18] Or if we put a date on it are people going to think that's going to be the [1:21:21] end of festival? So we just got to be careful. [1:21:25] » Right, and you know, MG baseball, too. We don't want to be doing something like [1:21:30] right in the middle of their season and um [1:21:34] and what their needs are if they wanted to contribute some portion for what, you [1:21:38] know, if they needed some extra space on it that [1:21:44] it would just be interesting to hear from stakeholders like how how we can [1:21:49] recommend to the village board when to put in anything any funding toward that [1:21:55] if if they would like to. I don't I guess get their input and bring it back [1:22:01] to us and we can help pass a recommendation and [1:22:07] up if we want to add something to the next [1:22:11] financial management plan, but in the meantime, it seems like just doing this [1:22:15] necessary driveway work is kind of >> Yeah, we we just wanted the asphalt [1:22:19] fixed. This does not have to be an opportunity to make a master plan. [1:22:23] And on the flip side of that, I don't want to just fix it and not have people [1:22:28] have an opportunity to look about look at other changes. So, I you know, I [1:22:33] don't disagree with that at all and and great point about the stakeholders [1:22:38] um and and getting you know, if we were to [1:22:41] go to the master plan level, absolutely would I would include MG into that and [1:22:46] as well as all the chiefs that were in there. So, we wouldn't do anything you [1:22:49] know, like in the master plan wouldn't be a master plan until it's approved by [1:22:53] all of the folks that are involved. And I just yeah, to get something out of the [1:22:57] district I you know, I don't know that that's going to happen, but we I I would [1:23:00] definitely want to ask them because uh like Kevin Connor, you know, he want [1:23:04] he wanted to see like a uh a locker room space so that the kids [1:23:08] could shower and change and things like that and you know, that's a huge [1:23:11] building as opposed to just a concession stand, you know, with with a few [1:23:15] bathrooms or whatever. So, um I think we can you know, we can do one or two and [1:23:20] still look at three down the road. You know, if that's what you want to do. If [1:23:23] you don't want to even look at a master plan, we don't have we don't even have [1:23:26] to address that. I just wanted you guys to have the all the thought you know, as [1:23:30] many thought processes as we could before we [1:23:33] put money into something. [1:23:37] So, am I hearing um [1:23:40] investigate option two more and just see what that looks like [1:23:45] uh an approximate cost with option two? I mean, we know roughly [1:23:50] option one is a roughly 35,000 to replace a couple of those really bad [1:23:54] spots, but then we're you know, we throw in the infrastructure that's going to [1:23:58] change that. So, is that what I'm hearing? Check on two. [1:24:01] » Yes, I think >> Okay. [1:24:02] » Heidi said it well is that there's no cost [1:24:05] » Right. >> associated with that. So, that's [1:24:07] important. And so, just yeah, let's see and I think it is important to maybe [1:24:12] back to Kevin's point to learn is like, oh, you're going to need to put in [1:24:15] retention ponds and things like that. Um you know, that [1:24:19] that's a little bit more involved than just replacing the asphalt and I would [1:24:23] then probably lean just towards doing replacing the asphalt, but [1:24:27] good to have the information. [1:24:34] » You think you'll be able to have that for budget so we can consider adding [1:24:37] that? Okay, great. >> I think we can. [1:24:40] I definitely, yep. >> Okay. [1:24:42] » I see no reason why we can't I I can't have that for budget time. [1:24:46] » Great. Thank you. Any other thoughts on um [1:24:49] on then Fireman's Park? [1:24:54] All right, then uh we'll move to item 10, director's report. [1:24:59] » All right, cool. Um fall winter guide is out now. [1:25:03] Um new classes, special events, and department information there. So, if you [1:25:08] haven't had a chance to download that, please do. [1:25:10] Um our flag football unfortunately has started. It's all good [1:25:15] and bad at the same time cuz I mean summer's over, but [1:25:17] um that's where we got 15 15 teams um with grades K through eight. We got a [1:25:23] few young ladies playing this year, not as much as not as many as I'd like to [1:25:27] see, but we are getting some more um participation [1:25:31] um from girls in our flag football program. Um [1:25:35] we've added some new enrichment classes this fall for both adults and youths [1:25:38] youths. Did I just say youth? Youths. [1:25:44] Um we're we're trying out a a company called Kid [1:25:48] um Sci or excuse me, Club Sci Kids, which will be offering uh geology, [1:25:53] fossils, and rocks at Granite Ridge. And we're we're going to be doing some 3D [1:25:58] printing offerings at Glacial Drumlin. So, we're we're excited to to do some [1:26:03] new opportunities and those are definitely areas that we are not [1:26:06] covering right now. Um we added three classes for our watercolor with Betty, [1:26:11] which that that was just amazing. The first one filled immediately and we had [1:26:14] a waitlist um and interest and that continues to grow. So, we actually when [1:26:19] I left we were doing a watercolor class at at MSB now. [1:26:24] Um, we've also partnered with um, Lindsey at [1:26:27] Expressively You in Deerfield do offer some monthly canvas painting classes and [1:26:32] some pop-up art programs. Um, back by popular demand is our puzzle [1:26:36] exchange competition. Um, we're partnering with the puzzle [1:26:39] company for an event um, with the theme being I love Wisconsin. So, dress in [1:26:44] your favorite Wisco team swag gear, whatever thing cheese heads and badger [1:26:49] colors. So, more information on when that date is. Um, we just uh, last week [1:26:53] we had our fourth annual community night out. Um, was a was a good big success. [1:26:58] We had incredible wea- weather. Um, with good vendors there cotton candy [1:27:03] and more. Um, chamber helped us a ton with that so we appreciate their work [1:27:07] and con- continued support from Rugby for hosting the movie again this year. [1:27:11] So, this year I don't know if you're down there but we put the movie um, on [1:27:15] the competition side so on the east side east field and folks were able to sit in [1:27:19] the bleachers and watch the movie from there or they could sit on the field as [1:27:22] well. So, we had a good turnout. Um, tomorrow night Rockin' and Bockin' [1:27:28] um, Nirvana. We got um, sponsored thankfully from Lauf and Berg [1:27:33] Lawn Care as well as Strand. Um, it's the band is Nirvana. So, it's a [1:27:38] 90s cover band. So, hopefully, you know, Jay will don some um, some flannel and [1:27:45] um, get down there. Music is from 6:00 to 8:00. It's supposed to be a beautiful [1:27:48] night. Um, we got food like five food trucks are scheduled to be there. We'll [1:27:51] see actually how many show up. Um, and then the Lions Club will be there [1:27:55] selling malt beverages. Um, so we're excited for that tomorrow [1:27:59] night. That that should be a lot of fun. Wear your flannel. Heidi, you got lots [1:28:02] of flannel? >> Yep. [1:28:03] » Yep. Okay. Um, [1:28:05] on the park side um, staff has been helping with uh, helping James and doing [1:28:10] some pruning and clean up, aerating and overseeding our sports field. Um we've [1:28:14] had some irrigation head issues that we've been taking care of, creating the [1:28:18] flag football fields, um doing some tree watering at Shady [1:28:22] Grove, and then also we I don't know I think I may have told you about we there [1:28:27] was a commercial shot at Backen Park at the Wheels Park [1:28:31] um two or three weeks ago. [1:28:33] Um they were shooting a commercial for hacky sack, believe it or not. [1:28:37] Um so we kind of cleaned things up and we got rid of some the wood chips that [1:28:40] were in the entrance area and we put stone in there because that's just a [1:28:44] it's a huge maintenance issue, but um James has been out uh doing a lot of [1:28:49] pruning throughout the village. We got a an [1:28:52] extensive list from the post office about trees that are hitting postal [1:28:56] vehicles, and so we're kind of trying to attack some of that stuff. [1:29:00] And we're kind of getting ready to get cranked up for the winter when we when [1:29:03] we're really out doing a whole ton of pruning. [1:29:07] I think that's all I got for now. [1:29:11] » Not going on. Thanks, Shawn. Any questions for Shawn on his report? [1:29:18] All right. And then we'll move to item 11, future agenda items. So we'll have [1:29:22] um Juniper Fields Parkland, and we'll have budget. [1:29:27] Does that kind of sum up major items? [1:29:31] » Uh we'll have the sign, uh Zayden sign. We'll bring that one [1:29:35] back. And then was there one other one? >> Oh, the cottonwood tree. [1:29:39] » Cottonwood tree, yep. >> Yep. So cottonwood legal [1:29:43] things about that. Um Anyone else have anything else for next [1:29:48] agenda? [1:29:51] All right. Then uh we'll be back uh to our regular schedule um [1:29:56] Thursday, September 24th. [1:30:02] All right. If there's nothing else then all we have left is item 12. [1:30:07] » Motion to adjourn. [1:30:10] » I'll second. >> Motion and second to adjourn. That's [1:30:13] non-debatable. All those in favor say aye. [1:30:14] » Aye. >> Aye. [1:30:16] » Aye. >> Thanks so much everybody for the good [1:30:19] conversation this evening. I appreciate it. Hopefully, we'll see you tomorrow at [1:30:22] back in. [1:30:27] » Recording stopped.