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I had burgers tonight.

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» All right. I'm calling the Village of
Cross Plains Board of Trustees meeting

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for August 24th, 2026.
The order roll call, please.

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» Trustee Henry.
>> Here.

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» Trustee Brokish.
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» Trustee
Here. Trustee Brookman.

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» Here.
>> Trustee Polmakowski.

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» Here.
>> Trustee Kettlebaker.

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» Here.
>> President Huff.

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» Here. Please stand for Pledge of
Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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All right, we are at public comment.
This is an opportunity for anyone to

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address the Village Board on any issue.
Please observe the time limit of 3

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minutes. While the Village Board
encourages input from residents, it may

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not discuss or act on any issue that is
not duly noticed on the agenda.

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Do we have anybody that would like to
speak?

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» We have Seth Johnson.
>> Seth, come on up.

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» State your name and address if you
could, please.

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» Sure. Seth Johnson, 512 North Century
Road,

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Cross
Comments are specifically on the items

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four six
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I don't know if I need to do everything,
but um

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for the Park Street improvements, I saw
on the the packet probably for the

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breakdown of the costs uh estimated
costs and I had a little bit of a mirror

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there
that our Park Street curb and gutter

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would be replaced.
I just hoping that

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» [clears throat]
>> the village is even this is an

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opportunity to connect connect for
pedestrians and bikes and that we put

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half in our sidewalk
in the entire length of the street for

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safety and then
when we reconstruct the brewery.

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The right of way from post office west
appears to be wide enough to do that to

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the to put it a path
on one side of the street to the entire

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length. The block with post office and
the EMS is it looks like it's a little

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narrower. You can certainly sidewalk in
there but there's already sidewalk on

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obviously both sides of the street.
So I hope the village doesn't miss an

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opportunity to
create nice connection get the kids

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going to and from our school off the
street so that's not as safe.

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Right now with the the street on the
shoulder facing by the the government.

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So if the costs don't reflect that

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In general for when you're talking about
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I know there's an item in there for
street resurfacing every year.

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I'd like to see the village consider
having that pot whether it's in there or

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a separate pot for spot safety
improvements that may come up because I

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think there's a number of opportunities
here in the village

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where we can make targeted improvements
that aren't necessarily big budget

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items.
And then they come up

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on short notice.
I just want to see the

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like the village consider either
increasing the the street resurfacing

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budget every year or have a separate pot
for safety improvements.

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Thank you for your time.
>> All right, thank you.

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Is there anybody on the internet?
>> I do not see anyone.

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» All right.
We'll go to consent agenda. On request

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of any trustee any item may be removed
from the consent agenda for separate

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consideration under general business.
Any trustees that would like an item

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separated?
All right, do I have a motion?

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» I'll make a motion to approve the
consent agenda.

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» Do I have a second?
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» I have a motion and a second. Any
discussion?

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All in favor say I.
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» All same.
So moved.

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All right, we're having board of village
officers.

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Uh village president just uh two items.
One, you notice that you are not

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receiving the base budget at the end of
tonight's meeting, which is generally

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our our process.
Um because of not getting We don't

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believe we're going to get the tip for
money's for next year.

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We have to go to plan B, which was a
zero base, and all increases have to be

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placed on a supplement budget request
form.

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So to give staff more time because they
submitted budgets with a 2% increase. So

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just to rework that, so you'll be
receiving at the first meeting in

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September, and then we'll have the
discussion at the second meeting in

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September. So that's number one. Number
two, I've extended, reluctantly, the

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deadline for committees to get their
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Uh the deadline was September 1st. Well,
I've moved it to October 1st, but we

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need to get
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so we can put our draft uh comprehensive
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uh together. Plan and sustainability
have done theirs.

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And again, you don't have to do all nine
chapters. There's certain chapters that

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are applicable to your committee, so
those are the ones you should be looking

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at. And, you know, Sarah for like parks
and rec, you can certainly refer to the

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5-year plan instead of rewriting
everything that's in there. But, there

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needs to be the sections that uh we do
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uh we have to have it by 2018 uh 2018.
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» Oh, 2028.
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» So, please get your committee to uh put
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that in October.
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link to the document. We have a working
Word document with all of the changes so

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far, so you can just add those changes
to the document. So, look out for an

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email from me tomorrow.
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Village Vice President
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Hillen Bailey will be out of the park in
a couple weeks. I think November 19th or

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something like that. That will be over
there. We have two anniversaries. We

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have Jill Hedge. She's here at 3 years
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And Matthew Hester, who's given us his
resignation, but he would be here at 3

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years on August 7th.
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Thank you.
Other trustee reports?

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All right, Village Administrator
>> Yeah, I just have the one um just keep

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updating on those Bear Street poles,
those um um poles that MG&E owns. Um so,

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all of them have been All of those extra
poles have been removed except for two.

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Um and MG&E is pushing for removal of
those two extra poles. So, that was just

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something that had come up at a past
meeting, but that's all I have.

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» Okay, thank you.
Village Department Heads Okay, I got

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Bobby, then the Chief.
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Review is September 16th at 5:00. Um
because of reassessments this year, we

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are I'm
um people to show up for a hearings.

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Since I've been the clerk, we haven't
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that should be interesting. I did pull
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people want to refresh themselves on
what they can be expecting for that. I'm

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also going to put together
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101 for you guys to
just kind of update your

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see what kind of things we should be
expecting or looking for, things we can

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or can't do.
Just a little brief.

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» Okay.
>> Instead of a question, I don't know if

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this is the time to ask it.
So, if they came to repeal or appeal

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before, could they lower get a lower
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» Yeah, but so
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that for the next couple weeks to change
their assessment. It's if you've already

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worked with the assessor and you still
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the first step in appealing. This is,
you know, kind of like a quasi-judicial

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thing where you guys are essentially
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» That makes sense.
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» Is there you have someone who's
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» I I did the certified train for this
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» Okay.
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watch a video. I did have another one
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» Yeah, I told you. I'm going to watch
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so
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just sit in there
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what I'm doing. I'm just going to watch
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» When you get done with that, can you
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it up and watch it?
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the 2020, so they're a little bit
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» The basics are the same.
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who's running that meeting? Who's chair?
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» Yeah, that gets taken care of that
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» Well, I know, but okay, who are we
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We should give them a heads-up. If you
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» Generally, I think in the past it's been
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» The training.
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» Right.
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sudden dumped on me, I want to prep for
it, all right? I don't want to be at

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5:00, especially when we got lots of
people, because this year I agree there

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will be people. So, we should be well
informed on how this works. And I

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» I can do it. I've done it. So, if you
don't want to do it,

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» If no one wants to do it, that's fine.
If you want to take it, we I mean, we're

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not going to nominate now. So, if you're
willing, then yeah, then I'm not going

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to fight you for it.
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we're not going to have a vote on that.
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normally because we don't have anybody
show up, we like bring food in and like

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take a pause and eat during the 2-hour
thing. I don't know if we'll have time

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for that this year, so we see
beforehand. I'll

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» Yeah, I agree.
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» And the difference is we're not voting
this up against the board meeting.

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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> This is just for the that night, for

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that. So, that's understandable.
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um oh, so if it goes over 2 hours, you
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» I have two questions.
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» Um
are all trustees supposed to be at this?

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» Yes.
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Um second question, what do we do if a
trustee uh is contesting

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one?
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bring that up at the staff meeting
uh with the attorney, cuz um for sure

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you're not going to be able to vote on
your own case, but I could also see that

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there's a conflict all the way through.
So, I will ask that question to our

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attorney at the staff meeting, which is
the first Wednesday. So, we'll we'll

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send something out on what the attorney
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» All right. Anything else, Bobby?
>> Uh nope, that's all for

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» Chief?
>> Uh just real quick, we had a great Uh,

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National Night Out, it was all attended.
Um, nothing but positive comments. Um,

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and then two things we uh, we gave an
award to Taylor Figerson at our last

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public safety meeting for his
enforcement on traffic. It's definitely

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our number one problem and he does a
great job working on that proactively.

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Uh, and then secondly, uh, we awarded
uh, Zach Esser a life-saving award. He

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and I responded on June 8th to a
pulse-less non-breather and we brought

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him back and so I I awarded him a
life-saving award.

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That's just one of the little points.
Thank you.

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» It
And that was a very nice event, National

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Night Out.
By far the best.

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» I agree. I agree.
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All right. Anybody else? Okay. Elizabeth
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» Oh, I was just going to say too that
Matt Esser returns two weeks. Um, we

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swore him in last going to Meridian
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» Yeah.
>> So, thank you.

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» All right, thank you.
Elizabeth?

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» Yeah, I just wanted to give a quick
recap of summer reading. Since we

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wrapped that up, we haven't had any this
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since I've been here.
Uh, made a 40% increase for the adult

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program, which is huge. Um, circulation
is up almost a thousand since the last

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July.
Um, programs have been up a lot.

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Yeah, a lot of new programs. Our program
library is up super fun. We have some

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» Very good, thank you.

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And that should get just about
everybody, right? Matt, you got

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anything?
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» I'm the one that did.
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All right. General business. First one,
consideration of

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recognizing 2026 as Hunger Action Month
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Sarah?
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would Do like me to go ahead and read it
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» Well, why don't you introduce who's here
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it, I guess.
>> Okay. So, we have Leslie and Beth here

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from WayForward and they'll speak in
just a moment. But, um

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So, Hunger Action Month is something
that they have had and I saw the city of

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Middleton had declared this and I
thought since WayForward is serving the

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village of Cross Plains, I'd like to see
us get more involved

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with WayForward. So, that's why we've
decided to do the proclamation.

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Um and then in the village, we are
having our um the Can-tastic Sculpture

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Contest. In fact, the library and the
EMS actually both have entries. And if

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you stop by Culvers, you'll see their
setup. And um also, we have Century 21

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Primrose, Glacier Creek staff, and a
neighborhood group. So, um

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so, you'll soon see the voting come up
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um more connected with WayForward and so
that our residents can know that this is

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a good service that they can access.
>> Very good.

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» All right. So, I will go ahead and read
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So, this is the proclamation to uh
declare Hunger Action Month for the

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month of September 2026 in the village
of Cross Plains, Wisconsin.

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Whereas, 32% of Dane County households
struggle to afford the basic necessities

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of housing, child care, health care,
food, and transportation. And whereas,

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10.7% of Dane County residents and 17%
of children in Dane County are food

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insecure, meaning they lack reliable and
consistent access to nutritious food.

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And whereas, food insecurity can affect
individuals and families facing

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challenges such as rising living costs,
housing expenses, unemployment, and

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low-wage employment. And whereas, a lack
of access to nutritious food can

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contribute to increased risk of
nutrition-related health conditions. And

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whereas WayForward Resources in
Middleton operates a year-round food

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pantry that provides nutritious food at
no cost to area residents, including

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residents of Cross Plains, supplementing
food that individuals and families are

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able to purchase or grow on their own.
And whereas the food pantry provides an

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important resource for people
experiencing food insecurity, including

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families, senior citizens, people with
disabilities, and individuals of all

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ages. And whereas WayForward distributes
the equivalent of nearly 133,000

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meals per month, approximately 3.5 times
the amount of food we distributed 5

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years ago. And now, therefore, be it
resolved that the Village Board of the

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Village of Cross Plains hereby proclaims
September 2026 as Hunger Action Month in

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the Village of Cross Plains. And be it
further resolved that the Village Board

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encourages residents to learn more about
food insecurity in our community and to

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support organizations that provide
assistance to Cross Plains residents in

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experiencing hunger through donations,
volunteerism, and other forms of

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community involvement.
>> Thank you.

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Would you like to invite someone to
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» We would like to invite her up.

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Thank you for having us here tonight.
We are excited to be here, and we

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appreciate you putting forth this
proclamation and declaring Hunger Action

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Month this September. I'm Leslie Hubert,
I'm the Vice President of Strategic

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Engagement at WayForward Resources. And
this is Beth Johnson, our Community

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Engagement Manager.
And you just already heard some of the

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basics of WayForward. We've been in our
community for over 45 years, and during

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that time we have been focused on
bringing the community together to

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create housing stability and food
security. And um

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we
Our food pantry serves all of Dane

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County. We're one of the largest food
pantries in the county, and our housing

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services serve Cross Plains, Middleton,
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And those focus on helping keep people
in their homes to avoid the trauma of

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homelessness.
Our food pantry is open 5 days a week.

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And as was said here, we have seen a
huge increase in demand over the past 5

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years. So, we are giving out 3.5 times
more quantity food than we were just 5

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years ago. And we often say to people,
imagine if there were 3.5 times as many

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kindergartners at the school as there
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uh what a struggle that would be to keep
up. And it has been a struggle for us to

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keep up with that increased demand.
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so important, because hunger isn't
something we can always see right around

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us, but it is something that is in every
community, including the community in

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Dane County, and including here in Cross
Plains. It is a community problem, and

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it requires a community solution. And
that's really what Hunger Action Month

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is about. It's about people coming
together and working to address the

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situation.
And we're particularly excited to have

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Cross Plains be part of this this year.
Um we're excited about the proclamation,

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and we also appreciate
Sarah for the work that she's done.

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We're all excited about Canstruction,
and to share some of those photos out

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for our social media and our
newsletters. And we appreciate the

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library for hosting this event. And we
think it really demonstrates what the

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community can do when they come
together. And that very visible display

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will help to remind people and help them
to think about something that again is

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easy for it to be invisible.
There are a couple of other ways to be

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involved in Hunger Action Month. I've
handed you all a postcard. We will have

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businesses throughout the community and
also school groups and part of Back to

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School Night this year.
Uh we have neighborhood groups, school

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sports teams who will be organizing all
kinds of fun. Food drives, we have one

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business that has a goal and if they
reach the goal, they may have a dunk

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tank where they dunk the president in
it. So, all kinds of creative ideas that

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we'll be sharing and well as well as
we'll have lots of statistics out to

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social media and our newsletter that
we're encouraging people to share. And I

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did want to re-extend our invitation for
our kickoff which is on September 2nd.

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We would like to invite all of the
village trustees to join us on that day.

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And that's a week from Wednesday from
12:00 to 2:00 at WayForward. We're

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receiving a donation of 35,000 lb of
food.

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Um and we're kind of using that as our
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backdrop to kick off our month and we
have We're going to have the media

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there. We have representatives um
Mayor Lisa Heinel will be there as well

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as all the various from Middleton, from
Madison, superintendents from Middleton

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and Madison will be there. We'll have
some local businesses and we'll have

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representatives from the county, state,
and federal government who will be there

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that day. We would love to have Cross
Plains representative there, too. We'll

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be taking photos. It's about a 10-minute
commitment. You drop in, we have our um

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flora that will take your picture of the
community coming together. This is to

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show our community that this is the
issue that we're all invested in. So,

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if you are interested, you can respond
to my email or reach out to Beth or me

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and let us know that you'll be coming
and what time period. Again, you can

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just drop in for a few minutes.
And the final thing I'd like to invite

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you to is our panel discussion that will
take place on September 30th. This is

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free and open to the public.
And we'd love anyone sharing it with

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other people in Cross Plains, too, so
let them know that they are invited. And

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it will be creating food security
challenges, insights, and solutions. You

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can sign up through the
Milton Public Library. We have four

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experts that we're really excited about
that will each bring a different lens to

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share information about why is there
this increase in demand at food

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pantries, what's happening with food
insecurity. We know it's been in the

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news a lot with the SNAP cuts. They're
going to help kind of pull this apart

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and um explain to people
what's happening and why. So, you can

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sign up through the library or shoot
back an email or you can you can take a

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picture of the sign up, too.
So, again, thank you for your commitment

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to your community and to food security.
And we know that we have seen when our

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community comes together, that's how
real progress is made. If we put

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together, we can help create more food
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Thank you.
>> Yeah, thank you very much.

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Appreciate it.
And good luck with your event.

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» Yeah, thank you.
>> thank you.

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All right, do I have a motion?

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» I'll make the motion to cons uh
through the proclamation recognizing

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September 24th, 2026
as Hunger Action Month in the Village of

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Cross Plains.
>> Well,

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» I'll second it.
>> Okay, I have a motion and a second. Any

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discussion?
Bill?

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» Okay. So,
I fully support the purpose of what

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we're doing here and and I really
support what you guys are doing. I think

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it's fantastic. I think it's great.
My [clears throat] concern

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uh is
this resolution becomes a legislative

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piece of document within the Village of
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And in the resolution it says, "Be it
further resolved the Village Board

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encourages residents to learn more about
food insecurity in our community." Which

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I did because I wanted to learn more
about this before we came to the

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meeting.
What I found were discrepancies in the

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data.
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I couldn't find I couldn't find the 32%
I couldn't I found the 10.7%

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but I found it between Alice
I found it between uh

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Feeding America.
Uh and so I guess my only point I'm

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going to make from here is that if this
is because this is a legislative record

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and you're wanting people to look into
it, I think having at least the data

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sourced
and I and the data that I found looked

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like it was from 2023, 2022, 2023.
So I don't know if that data is current

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or not. Again
fully support and I'm going to approve

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I'm going to vote yes to this, but I
just I really would like to see that

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data sourced
within the legislative document within

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the Village of Cross Plains.
Would that make sense?

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» And I'd be happy to provide those
sources. We have our whole document that

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leads to that where they came from. The
Alice resource only comes out every few

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years. So the most recent one may have
been 2023. The Feeding America comes out

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We haven't gotten 2025 yet. So the 10.7
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Mine's from
Mine the Meal Gap and that most recent

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source is 2024. So I'd be happy to
provide those links and be happy

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» Cool. Yeah, so and all I'm asking for is
that again

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I I I
I love what you guys are doing and I

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fully support what we're trying to do
here. I just would like to see the

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legislative record at least be accurate
and be sourced.

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I I think we can pass this tonight, but

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uh
but if somehow we can get sourced in

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there for the record at the next
meeting, I think I'd be okay.

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That's my comment.
>> Okay.

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» Judy, did you have your hand up?
>> No. Well, I was just going to explain

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the cans, but I think I was just going
to say are these places like the library

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and then where they all ask you for
donations for cans of now that we know

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who's all the owners. Are they
>> They So, that's how people will vote for

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their favorite one is they can
they can donate a can or they can Yeah,

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I mean gosh.

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» Did you want to say something, Jed?
>> No.

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» Okay.
>> All right, any other discussion?

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All in favor say aye.
>> Aye.

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» All opposed same.
So moved. Thank you.

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All right, number two, discussion and
possible action regarding acceptance of

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the resubmitted
Marchstone deed restriction.

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Jed, do you want to come up?
Answer any questions that

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» I can I can just do the overview here.
Um so, this was So, back in January, on

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January 26th, is when the board approved
the Marchstone development declaration

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of covenants, restrictions, and
easements. Um so, since then, um the

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developer has submitted some proposed
revisions to the approved declaration

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based on some builder feedback um and is
looking to provide some additional

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flexibility in the design. Um and so,
the redline is in the packet along with

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the proposed um final product.

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» All right. Does anybody have any
questions for Jed?

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Go ahead, Michael.
>> So, it's just why did you

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why did you decide to
have some of the stuff about houses with

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same colors and all of a sudden
curiosity.

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» A lot of builder Oh,
sorry. A lot of builder

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input after that we furnished them the
original set.

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Uh, there's a lot of redundancy also in
the original document, so we

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uh, try to get rid of as much of that as
possible.

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Uh, but it was more or less a lot of the
stuff we had put in there.

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I'll just honestly what we do a lot of

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times is we look at other deed
restrictions from other subdivisions,

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common base, and
uh, it's not always the smoothest, and

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we're not builders,
and once we get it over to them, they

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say, "Well, you know, this is fine, but
this is wrong, and you really can't do

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this, and like post is
Yeah, that's a big thing about colors,

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and they're all worried about that and
too late, and they're all or not

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allowing two white houses or or
something, so we just try to clean it up

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best we could with the people that are
dealing with it every day.

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» Yeah, that's sort of what I thought. I
mean, you guys are still going to have

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that committee cuz you can still You got
chance to bend a little things you don't

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like.
>> Absolutely. If you're not going to let

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those fly, like, "Okay, this isn't going
to fly." or something like that.

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» Exactly. So, you know, you still have
control but you're losing some control

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of it.
>> So, yeah, it still has to be approved by

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the architectural control committee and

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» That's
>> And you

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are allowing dog houses now, huh?
>> I thought I mean, I read that.

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» I don't think we are.
>> No, I thought that was

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» I think
it's the dog house thing was struck out

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there.
>> 5.12 Dog houses are all lined out, so it

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looks like you are.
>> Meaning we're not allowing it.

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» No, the the thing that's lined out is
the line that says you're not allowing

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them.
>> Which means

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» Something.
>> That you are allowing them.

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» Okay.
>> I guess the committee will review

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those.
>> Yeah, I mean, it's in the new the whole

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other thing about the dog houses is like
struck in the now, so

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» I'll be asking them unfortunately caught
him there. This was his uh off.

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» [laughter]
>> The next item was more of me. This was

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Kyle's, so I apologize.
>> No, no, that's all right.

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All right, do I have a motion, please?

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» I'll make a motion to approve the
substance of the resubmitted Markstone

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deed restrictions.
>> I'll second that.

426
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,480
» I have a motion and a second. Any more
discussion?

427
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,080
All in favor, say I.
>> I.

428
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,000
» I.
>> I.

429
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,160
» All opposed, same.
>> So moved.

430
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:34,200
» Thank you.
>> All right, discussion and possible

431
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:38,840
action regarding Markstone phase one
Thinnes Street water main and utility

432
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,720
requirements.
>> I can kind of kick this one off, and

433
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:46,800
then we'll have Matt, Brian, and Jeff,
whoever wants to

434
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:53,200
help chime in. So, this was um we just
wanted to bring this to the board, so um

435
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:58,240
obviously have um the board has approved
the new Thinnes water main um because

436
00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:03,560
they'll be working in the area anyways.
It's an old main. It's an opportunity

437
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:08,240
for um for the village to get this done
um at a reduced cost. Um

438
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:13,080
so we were approached by Jeff's team
with a request to tap the current

439
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:18,640
Thinnes main um
that's in there now this fall. So, they

440
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:23,960
had requested to tap it this fall, and
then install the new main in the spring.

441
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:29,800
Um and so, upon some conversations with
staff, we're concerned about the

442
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:35,640
viability of the old main getting tapped
12 times um for all of the um zero lot

443
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:40,040
line homes that are along Thinnes. Um
and also concerned about the winter um

444
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:46,520
because there are water main breaks that
happen along Thinnes, um and you're

445
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:52,440
making it weaker by poking holes in it.
So then also comes you know the addition

446
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,720
of two full road closures. So you would
have one in the fall

447
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,600
for probably about a month and then
you'd have one again in the spring for

448
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:04,880
about a month.
So with that we kind of said you know

449
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,320
we're not in favor of this this you know
there's a lot of different things going

450
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,000
on here
but Jeff's team kind of came back and

451
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:15,560
said you know
this negatively impacts the development

452
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:18,840
you know we want you to reconsider. So
that's what we're here tonight to kind

453
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:23,040
of discuss
the pros and cons of that if there are

454
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,760
other options I know a couple of options
were thrown around too this all happened

455
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,280
later last week
so that's why I don't have anything in

456
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:35,080
the packet about it but we wanted to
bring it to this to the board just

457
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:40,040
because you know staff kind of said no
thanks and they're kind of pushing back

458
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:45,240
on us. So I don't know if Brian or Jeff
do you want to come up first Jeff?

459
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,240
Go right ahead.

460
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:54,240
» Brian can either confirm or not confirm
there's my understanding

461
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:58,720
the original plans and specs that were
approved by the

462
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:02,440
village
always included tapping into the old

463
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:08,440
main.
And it was after the fact

464
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:14,560
that then you can confirm or deny
after the fact that the village cuz it

465
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:20,280
was after the fact you guys approved
the new water main

466
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:25,680
and then last week
through discussions is my understanding

467
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,440
it was thought that it it it would make
sense

468
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:34,720
to wait and tap or put in the new water
main which our contractor does not have

469
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,000
time to do.
And that's the reason it's not going in

470
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:43,800
this fall.
So, I think the way our take on this is

471
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:49,320
this is something the village is doing
after the fact

472
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:54,320
and all 12 of those lots are sold
and we need to close on.

473
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:57,560
We can't wait for next spring.
So, that's my take on it.

474
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,640
» All right, can I just hold hold just
hang on?

475
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,160
I I I want to say something before Brian
can get in.

476
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,080
Because
that's a little different understanding

477
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:11,400
of my Let me ask you something. You're
saying that the bank cannot close on

478
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:15,200
those lots unless you're hooked up to
water. Is that what you're saying? No,

479
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,160
the lateral No, I'm asking is that is
that the

480
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,720
» Well, I'm
If that's the case, will the village

481
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:27,400
will they give us building permits?
Because if the lots aren't built for the

482
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:31,840
approved plans and specs,
the village probably's not signing off

483
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,680
and therefore we can't get building
permits. If we can't get building

484
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:40,640
» No, I'm just trying to figure out the
the issue here. Cuz that we can control,

485
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:46,080
right? Now, I know phase
you know, here's my understanding of

486
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:52,360
this. We had phase one and then you came
to the village and said we want to split

487
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:58,240
phase one into phase 1A and phase 1B.
The south side we're going to go and get

488
00:33:54,760 --> 00:34:04,360
things rolling so we're ready for fall.
Uh northern part we're going to wait on

489
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:08,600
that. So, the the whole push was to do
the southern area. Okay. Well, that's

490
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:14,639
I'm just telling you how I remember
this. And it's if correct me if I'm

491
00:34:11,240 --> 00:34:20,159
wrong, there is no gas or electric going
to any of those lots on the southern

492
00:34:17,399 --> 00:34:26,000
side of it right now, right? And you're
still going to close those lots out,

493
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:30,000
right? And you're
you're going to want the village to give

494
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:35,639
permits even though there's no
electricity or gas going to them. Is

495
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:40,800
that correct? First of all, we never
said we're waiting on phase two.

496
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:45,639
It's always been our
goal that was going to It's still going

497
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:50,240
to be achievable. Phase two of phase one
is going to be done. They're putting

498
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:54,879
curb in Monday. Okay. So,
and they wanted to get latrines on

499
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:59,240
tennis this week.
And really, the way phase two is going,

500
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:03,640
it'll be bumped up
>> in October. But that's wasn't the plan

501
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:08,920
back in February.
>> No, we never said we were going to close

502
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:12,120
phase two in the spring. No. I mean, why
would Why would you go spend all that

503
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,920
money and then have it sit
>> Well, I think things are moving a lot

504
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:21,680
faster than you expected. And you asked
us to split it because

505
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:26,680
at the time for you to open up and for
us to give permits, you would have had

506
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:30,640
to have everything done in phase one.
You wanted it separated so you could get

507
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:36,080
everything done on the southern so you
could start building on it. Now, it just

508
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:41,120
so happens everything's appears to be
moving at a faster pace now. So, now

509
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,160
you're kind of Again, to me, you're
changing this here. And I think we have

510
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:51,880
a
If If your only concern is

511
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:56,120
uh that you I'm not really sure besides
the builders not being able to hook in

512
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:59,800
until spring.
But are you saying that you think the

513
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:02,840
lots are going to be sold and the
buildings are going to be up and ready

514
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:08,320
to be
uh sold by the spring and that's

515
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:13,880
Well, again,
uh we can give you schedules.

516
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:20,160
What that included all lots being done
this year. Okay? So, there's no way we

517
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:23,480
ever said Talk to our bank. I mean,
Well, I think I think Brian will just

518
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,400
Let me finish, please. Brian will
probably

519
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:31,240
After that, I'll let him speak. But
bottom line is then gas and electric is

520
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:35,640
not a requirement for the village for
building permits.

521
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,800
» I agree. I'm looking at the banks,
though.

522
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:42,360
» Well, you brought that up for a for
>> Well, yeah, I'm looking at that's not

523
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:47,640
our totally complete I'm one that was my
first question was are the banks is the

524
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:53,960
problem the banks not going to let you
close because there isn't a lateral

525
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:57,600
to water when they're going to close on
lots when you don't have gas and

526
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:02,520
electric. That was my question. I wanted
to know what the pressure was.

527
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,880
» So, you know, ultimately it's
>> You know, you said this is going to hurt

528
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,560
you financially.
>> That's right. Well, if if they don't

529
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,520
give us the bucks, we can't close on it.
>> Well, I'm trying to ask. So, you're

530
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,840
saying a bank's not going to allow you
to close because the lateral isn't

531
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,920
hooked to water.
>> No, I didn't say that, Jim.

532
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:22,800
» Okay, I Jim, what I said was the village
won't give us a building permit.

533
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,840
That's what I said. I said what I said
about the bank is we need to close on

534
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,000
that million bucks.
>> Okay, and you can do that.

535
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:35,200
» Well, then the village is going to have
to make an exception to their ordinance.

536
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:40,200
» Okay, go ahead, Brian.
>> Um

537
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:44,640
Both similar. Um
The the thinnest edition was back in

538
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,000
May.
But it's after everything. So, so it's

539
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,160
not
a last-minute change, but it isn't

540
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,800
anything that was going to proceed.
Um

541
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,120
For J and N Builders
Um

542
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,920
I would have known
The developer's agreement was a bit

543
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,920
silent on
either

544
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:11,560
or guarantees regarding schedule. It's
pretty just silent.

545
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:16,280
Um
I would have agreed

546
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,760
um from the staff side, we've got the
village

547
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:23,160
practice and policies and ordinances
which

548
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:27,960
do state that the development cannot be
accepted until all the public

549
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:32,000
improvements are
Um

550
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,240
So, that's
We're really going in that world where

551
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:39,920
it can't be accepted and if it's not
accepted, you can't get a building. So,

552
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,320
just right there. Um
He's also right

553
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,760
uh
that

554
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:51,120
you don't have to sell the whole lots,
right? Um at some level

555
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:55,880
having those lots sold starting does
does help the village to get in.

556
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,480
And those tax donations help.
Uh so, hot off the press, Matt and I

557
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,320
were banging our heads together back
there.

558
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,680
» Can I just clarify one thing? Did you
just go

559
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:10,880
The original The plans that we have were
approved by the village. I lost for lost

560
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,560
tapping into the existing water.
>> That's right.

561
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,360
» Thank you.
>> The if the village is

562
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,440
So, it's mostly a procedural thing to
say you cannot have a building on an

563
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,280
empty
until all the public improvements are

564
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,080
completed.
>> And the intention there is that we have

565
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:32,160
» Many communities have that.
The intention is

566
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:36,760
you don't want some
new family moving into town, buying for

567
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:40,160
all the world they think is a
um

568
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:43,640
parcel, getting a basement going, and
they're ready to move in on Christmas

569
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Day and there's no water.
And that's what you're trying to avoid.

570
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,160
Um

571
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:55,960
So, that that's why that rule is there.
If

572
00:39:53,160 --> 00:40:01,080
the village is up for
electing that you know, special case.

573
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:06,480
Now, we
just seem could

574
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:12,320
extend enough pipe from the parcel
towards getting this.

575
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:15,280
At least enough to get the sidewalk.
You won't be able to fire up to get the

576
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,480
curb.
That was

577
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,120
But if the sidewalk and poor sidewalk is
falling out.

578
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:31,200
From staff standpoint, he'd he'd be okay
with the technical aspects of that.

579
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:34,360
Cuz then in spring when this was torn
up,

580
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,960
it'll save time. Instead of tearing it
up twice, we'll tear it up the same time

581
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:40,400
in spring.
They just dig down find that end,

582
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:47,000
go all the way to the pipe in the
street, then pour the pyramid concrete.

583
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Parallel with lot sales and building
permits.

584
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:54,080
So,
from a technical standpoint,

585
00:40:51,760 --> 00:41:00,680
staff's comfortable with that idea.
You would take a it's just a decision by

586
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:04,160
this group to make an exception
that Jeff can so I'm just ready to

587
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,800
finish
his portion of fence which is the

588
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:11,440
curbing gutter
and repave both feet. All right, thank

589
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,400
you.
So, I wanted to toss that out there as a

590
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:18,840
potential
compromise. I know those 12 lots are

591
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,920
only
I mean, you do have

592
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:27,960
Jeff
money and financial surety in place

593
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:31,600
still. And we would keep that in place
until all the public

594
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:35,600
improvements
installed. So, you do have

595
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,440
protection in case they go bankrupt or
they cease

596
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:41,200
to do things. You have the money to
help.

597
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:44,600
You have something.
But I mean, it's 20 minutes away.

598
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:47,480
So, nobody's heard of this in the
minute.

599
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:54,560
» I think our proposal is sound. But
anyway, the only problem with that is

600
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:57,840
there'd have to be a pretty good penalty
against the village

601
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:08,000
because
the village is also

602
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:13,880
obligation is the new water main.
It's outside our

603
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:18,920
requirements and plans.
And so,

604
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:23,600
again, I got Well, it doesn't matter.
I like that idea.

605
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:28,520
But, we couldn't go forward without some
type of

606
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:32,720
fine, if you will,
of

607
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:37,080
a
date,

608
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:40,640
because we can't proceed
You know, you're worried about us going

609
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:44,400
bankrupt, and I know you said that cuz
and that's a reality. I get it. Goes the

610
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:48,680
same way. We don't know the village is
going to put the water main in.

611
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:53,560
So, how do we know? So, we're trusting
you, you're trusting us, but at least

612
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:59,080
you have our surety if we don't do our
work, but we have nothing against the

613
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:02,960
village if they don't put the water main
in.

614
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:06,040
So, now, we have 12 lots,
and we're right back to where we were

615
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:13,120
today
with an existing water main that was is

616
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,120
planned to

617
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:21,480
be receptive to our 12 water laterals
until the idea

618
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:26,640
came of a new water main, of which I
fully agree with,

619
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:33,080
but it's just the mechanics to protect
us because this is a village change.

620
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,080
It's nothing we brought up.

621
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:39,040
» I don't know the for whatever it's
worth, the village sometime

622
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:43,160
was unless it changed their mind the
last 30 minutes, was

623
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:48,040
still planning on signing a contract
with Houston to do the work

624
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:52,440
this fall and sign down the contract to
sign.

625
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:56,200
» Oh, so you're doing the work this fall?
>> That was the intention back in May,

626
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,080
June, and July when we were talking to
Houston and I had to

627
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,520
wait
and he came and he claimed he could get

628
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,080
it done
2 weeks ago.

629
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,640
» Okay. I mean,
>> So, the village was planning

630
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,240
talking with Houston, telling them going
to do this. We've got twins that are 2

631
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,440
months old.
Like paper plants. Um

632
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:18,600
and then I was going to sign a contract
that he's going to sign across the

633
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,680
table. So, instead of a contract, he
said I

634
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:25,000
can forget it.
>> But again, that's not our

635
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,520
negotiation. That was between you and
Houston.

636
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,000
» Correct.
>> Mhm.

637
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,600
» So, how does that affect this? I
guarantee for you.

638
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:37,880
» Well, it it doesn't because it's not
again, it's not getting done this fall.

639
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,800
» No, I mean
>> If the contract says it's done in the

640
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,240
spring, the delivery is guaranteed.
>> But the problem

641
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:49,080
» Houston.
>> So, just from Tommy's stand.

642
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:52,520
Okay. So, the village allows building
permits

643
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:56,440
when everything else is done except
finished work.

644
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,520
And we go and sell to everything you
just said. We just go sell the builder

645
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,960
A.
They start construction.

646
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:08,000
We're going to have to go out on a limb
and give them some guarantees that

647
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,280
there's ultimately going to be water to
their lot.

648
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:16,840
Well, because
there is water there, right? All we're

649
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:20,480
talking about is replacing a pipe. It's
not like we're saying we're going to

650
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:24,880
remove the pipe and there's no water
there. So, your big thing, let's say

651
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:30,080
that the village goes bankrupt and they
can't put the pipe in. There's still a

652
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:33,360
pipe. You just connect it to the current
pipe.

653
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:37,160
There's no risk there. It's not like
we're pulling the pipe out and saying

654
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:40,040
there's no water there anymore. What
we're saying is we want to put in a

655
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,760
newer one.
>> Well, it's going to

656
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:46,160
» That's what we're talking about here. If
if if you make it sound like we're

657
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:50,120
pulling the water and now you may not
have water to hook up to. You're always

658
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:54,200
going to have water to hook up to.
>> Well, then your attorney is going to

659
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:58,200
have to draft a pretty strong contract
that we sign with all these guarantees.

660
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,320
» I
I don't know what the guarantee you want

661
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,760
that there's going to be a water main
there.

662
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,800
» No, that if not done by a next date, the
city or the village is going to pay us

663
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:10,080
» Okay, but
>> $1,000 a day.

664
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:13,400
» Why would we do that? Why would we do
that to the builder?

665
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:18,240
» Cuz you guys are changing the game plan.
I have approved old plans that will hook

666
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,040
up to your existing water main.
>> And you can still do that. We're not

667
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,960
pulling that water main out. What we're
saying is you may have to wait till

668
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:29,760
spring to do it.
>> Well, that's not part of the deal.

669
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:34,440
» I don't think anywhere in that Nowhere
in that agreement are there dates and

670
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,520
times when any of that stuff has to be
done.

671
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,280
» Out there.
>> I think there's not.

672
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,520
» No, but I'm just
>> Cuz that's not a common thing. Cuz it's

673
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:47,120
construction. So, it's not something
that's in there that says we told you we

674
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:52,440
were going to have you hook it up on
September 5th of 2026.

675
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,440
» It doesn't say that. I would go to any
court of law saying in the industry we

676
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,720
have approved client.
>> You do have approved and we have a lot

677
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:01,800
of money to give you.
>> I want to use them.

678
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:06,320
» And that's fine. It doesn't matter the
date. It's irrelevant. We have time to

679
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:10,200
do it yet this year. We're going to do
it. We have We don't want it done

680
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,800
because it's going to cost us a ton of
money and we have to give a permit and

681
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,880
we don't want you tearing up our road
right now.

682
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,120
» Listen to what you just said. You don't
want to do it.

683
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,360
» The village. That's exactly right.
>> I do and you already approved it.

684
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,520
» No, we approved you hooking up to the
water mains and we're still going to

685
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,240
hold true to that.
>> No, the plan

686
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:33,400
literally shows the lateral hooking up
to the 6-in. That's our approved plan.

687
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,840
» But it's not a date and time on it.
>> matter.

688
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,960
» Sure it does.
>> I can put those in anytime I want.

689
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,000
» No.
>> Brian, is it not standard of the

690
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:47,120
industry if you have a set plans that
are approved by the municipality the

691
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:51,120
developer just does it?
>> I mean, I've been doing this for over 40

692
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:54,960
years. I've never had a municipality
tell me, "Oh, by the way, you can't

693
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,840
complete the project that we approved
your plan."

694
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,560
» And we are not saying that.
>> We'll go to court on that, Jay, all day

695
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:03,240
long.
>> Well, Jeff, just let's just say you're

696
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:08,640
going to be coming up next month, right,
to extend one of our rules of moving

697
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:13,600
dirt on September 15th. So, should we
hold it to the line and say, "No, on

698
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:17,440
September 15th, you got to shut down
your project." Would you like that?

699
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:21,200
» You can't cuz we'll be done.
>> You'll be done by the 15th, so you won't

700
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:25,160
be asking for that. Okay. Well, that's
good to know, but you were planning on

701
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:28,800
that anyway. We probably still would.
>> But if you turn us down, we'll still get

702
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:34,240
our work done.
>> Well, you know, we've been very

703
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:42,000
cooperative and we have banned a lot of
things for this project. I think this is

704
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:48,160
a very small ask from the village
to ask for you to wait

705
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:53,880
whatever amount of time it is to put in
so we can put in a new pipe and we don't

706
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:56,960
have to shut shut down our road during
school

707
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:03,080
to
accommodate 12 laterals going in when we

708
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:10,080
could do it in the spring all at once
and not make hassle twice and tear up a

709
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:17,080
street twice. It just makes common
sense. And we're asking you

710
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:23,120
to just play along and do a compromise.
And like I say, the lab the water's

711
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:27,280
there, so even if this all goes south in
between, you still have a lateral.

712
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:32,360
You'll still be able to hook up to
water. There's no worry for any of those

713
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,400
construction people. The difference is
the timing of it.

714
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,840
» Well, and that's that's what we're
talking about. So, how do I tell the

715
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,920
builder, "Oh, you need a building
permit, but you know what? I don't know

716
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,960
when you're going to get one."
>> Well, you that Well, you don't want to

717
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,880
say that. You're going to get the water
is coming in in the spring.

718
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:52,920
» What are you telling the people with the
MG&E not having electric and gas? What

719
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,200
are you telling them now? It'll be done.
By

720
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,880
by
>> Man, when is it going to be there? Right

721
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:00,000
after Labor Day. And it's going to take
a while.

722
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,080
» Okay.
>> It'll be done.

723
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,640
» All right.
So

724
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,880
» And when are they going to get into
phase two?

725
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:11,640
» We're not asking for that.
>> So you're asking for water but not power

726
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:13,440
and electric at this time. For that for
that lot.

727
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:17,600
» So
>> No, I answer the question. Are you

728
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:21,600
» Yes, we can follow our schedule.
When finish is done, the electrical will

729
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:25,720
be done.
Cuz the lots are 80% graded.

730
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,800
» Okay.
>> By the end of this week, it's going to

731
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:33,400
be Look, the phase I mean, we're putting
curb in in phase two on Monday.

732
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,360
That's how far along we are.
>> Yeah, I know.

733
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:38,440
» So
>> But that has nothing to do with MG&E.

734
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,760
» And why do I don't know why you keep
bringing up MG&E.

735
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,560
» Well, it's just Well, it's just taking
us 9 months to get it to our to our new

736
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,160
building. So
>> Well

737
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,320
» I get it. You know.
>> They're paying. I get it. I agree with

738
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,200
you.
So Well, here's the deal. You give me a

739
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:58,320
contract or agreement with a financial
guarantee we need, we'll sign it.

740
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,440
With short of that, we want to hook up
to the existing

741
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,720
set of plans
that

742
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:10,440
We want to bait
court, but that's where it's going to go

743
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:13,200
if you don't give us some a financial
guarantee.

744
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,680
» Which is totally
>> You guys are going back on the game

745
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:21,360
plan, Jay.
>> No, we're not. We're There's nothing

746
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:26,360
changing here except for we're asking to
just delay that. But what which isn't

747
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:30,240
even We're not even asking to delay.
We're We're just saying we may not give

748
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:34,800
you all street permit to tear up the
street. That's all. In the contract, it

749
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:39,280
doesn't have these dates in there that
you're

750
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:42,920
referring to. All right? And so I don't
think we're breaking anything here.

751
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,640
We're trying to be reasonable to our
taxpayers and everybody else.

752
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,280
» I
>> Right? And

753
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:53,840
it's just common sense. In the last 40
years I've put in as many single family

754
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:58,840
lots except maybe two people in this
town. I don't know. I agree. Okay. Yeah,

755
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:04,400
I have never had this discussion.
>> But you never had this situation before.

756
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:08,920
And we haven't had any problem with you.
Yeah, we disagree. Yeah.

757
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:13,200
I'm not going to debate anymore. We have
a

758
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:17,160
approved set of plans that does not say
you can't go and do your

759
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:22,280
There's no date. There's nothing for the
village that says you can't do it.

760
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:26,280
What it does say is if you do what the
approved set of plans are, you can

761
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:29,680
proceed.
Dates are irrelevant.

762
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:38,200
I've never had a contract that flat out
said you're going to tear up. I agree.

763
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:41,680
I agree with you on that. We all agree.
>> That was definitely

764
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:46,320
» All right. Bobby, Judy.
>> I was going to ask so the lots have all

765
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,920
been sold. But do you We anticipate all
four lots are going to pull building

766
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,400
permits day one?
>> No. Don't know.

767
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,440
» Okay. Yeah, I did not have an idea of
how many would be there.

768
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:02,400
» All right, Judy.
>> Um as far as the road closure goes, like

769
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:06,720
how long when they do go do it? Um this
is really When they do go to do these,

770
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,920
how long do you think the closure is for
the village?

771
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:13,080
I mean are they going to do one lane at
a time? I mean like does that whole road

772
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,880
get closed so they have to go like
around I mean like the whole road gets

773
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:19,360
closed?
>> I don't think you'd have to close this.

774
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,560
The whole whole thing.
>> Didn't we do this on Fiddler's about 4

775
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:27,560
years ago
where we closed Fiddler's for

776
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:31,400
» Airport Road was closed when
Township Airport Road Yeah, Airport. But

777
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,200
you're right, Fiddler's was closed.
>> It's going to be a heck of a piece of

778
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,240
work.
>> So it's totally closed. It's a detour.

779
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:41,240
And what do you think the time frame
might be on that kind of

780
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:46,560
» I think if it were
done all at once, probably six weeks.

781
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,800
Uh if it were to done in two steps,
probably four weeks each.

782
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:53,920
» Well, well we could we could get our
work done in probably a week.

783
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:57,040
A week to do.
This took about two weeks.

784
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:05,880
» It It quality, that plus the curb
plus full asphalt.

785
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,440
Sorry.
>> Go ahead.

786
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,600
» And then my other question is this, um
the reason we don't want him to do what

787
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:18,960
he wants to do is because he has a tap
and we are worried about main breaks or

788
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:20,840
we're guaranteed main breaks or like
that.

789
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,760
» Well, that's one of it, but the main
thing is we're putting in a new pipe.

790
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:29,640
» Right. I just want to know I know but
she wants

791
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:31,000
» I bet Is it 100%? No. I would say 0%?
No, either.

792
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:35,920
» Right.
>> Uh so there's this

793
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,760
some chance
that this breaks

794
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,440
jam.
Okay?

795
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:45,680
Um
that's kind of a

796
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:48,440
on the ability side that's something
we're concerned about.

797
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,880
So I can't tell you this this might
happen.

798
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:56,040
Um
so if I find out the thing I was kicking

799
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,040
around at staff level was

800
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:02,120
an ideal where
we must don't want to

801
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:08,040
regress.
I was willing to take down that risk.

802
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:10,000
That was not something
we were looking for.

803
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,200
» Take a risk of
>> Are you guys being mean or

804
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:17,880
» Yeah, but yeah, but they fix the main
breaks if they happen in January 3rd.

805
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,600
» Well, we wouldn't do that. I mean that's
>> Do I think it's

806
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:23,920
» Wait, wait, can you let me ask one more
question for you? Um as a I'm just

807
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:28,200
thinking as a consumer, how do I feel
about buying a lot that I'm not sure

808
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:31,840
about water? I don't know. I Do you
think you're going to have a trouble

809
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:35,480
selling those and getting You won't have
a trouble selling them. You're just

810
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:40,680
worried about the building.
>> No, cuz the way our offers are

811
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:45,280
structured is closing will occur within
30 days after the village signs off.

812
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,520
» Okay.
>> And would And would allow a building

813
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,280
permit.
>> Okay.

814
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:55,280
And we could do a building permit with a
water getting there, knowing we will get

815
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,120
there. But do you feel like your
consumers your your buyers will be okay

816
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:02,080
with that?
>> Only with a financial guarantee.

817
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,080
» Okay.

818
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:07,920
» There's a another alternative which is
the craziest and and

819
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:11,920
Brian already shot it down. I don't
know what I thought.

820
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:16,000
We will
sell you

821
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:20,920
those of all lots
and then you guys

822
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:28,120
can deal with the builders and you guys
then can do finish whenever you want it.

823
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:32,800
Our risk is gone
and the village takes on all risk.

824
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:37,840
And it doesn't It'll cost them money up
front but they recoup it

825
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:41,520
uh as soon as the building's home
closed. The whole

826
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:45,400
There's a little bit of profit only
cost.

827
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:49,160
Um but that way then the village
controls everything.

828
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:54,080
But Jeff, you already told me you can
close on all these lots. So, there's no

829
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:59,440
financial risk you're taking. You said
that earlier that you can close without

830
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:02,240
having the laterals hooked in.
>> With the building

831
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:07,600
» I didn't sell. I just said we need a
building permit and Right, but there

832
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:12,880
there'd have to be a
whatever from the village to allow us to

833
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:18,600
get building permits. But then I went on
to say if that is the scenario, we need

834
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:25,040
some financial guarantee that we can
pass on to our buyers because God forbid

835
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:30,360
it's like Brian explained right away,
okay, we're going to we're going to

836
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:34,360
guarantee our buyers they'll have water
May 1,

837
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:38,000
June 1, pick a day, right?
So that our builders can construct

838
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:42,360
knowing that,
and then all of a sudden, if the village

839
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:47,640
hasn't got their work done, the village
can't get us water or our builders

840
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:52,320
water, we're going to have to compensate
those builders,

841
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:57,240
and we don't feel it's fair that comes
out of our pocket.

842
00:57:54,240 --> 00:58:04,400
Because we have approved plans to tap
into the existing water main.

843
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:08,760
So this shouldn't cost us a penny.
I agree.

844
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,160
» That's fine. I'm just not seeing where
the penny is going to cost you. That's

845
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,720
where I'm having a hard time.
>> I just There's two scenarios. Number

846
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:19,400
one, they don't close because of the
uncertainty. And number two, they close

847
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:23,360
and we don't get them water.
>> See, I just two examples. I just don't

848
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:28,320
understand and maybe it's just I'm too
dense to understand this. There's water

849
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:32,720
there already. What we're talking about
is replacing a pipe.

850
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:36,360
One that's already there. So the water's
there. So I'm not sure where you keep

851
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:40,560
coming out they need guaranteed that
there's going to be water. I just don't

852
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:44,080
see us saying we're going to pull that
old pipe out and we're going to tell

853
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:48,080
everybody on Finister they no longer can
have municipal water and we don't

854
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:52,320
replace the play the pipe. That just
doesn't seem like a scenario we would do

855
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,960
just like we would not buy the lots. As
long as that's in the agreement, that's

856
00:58:53,880 --> 00:59:00,160
fine.
>> Yes, sir. I don't you know, we're not

857
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:06,440
here to be difficult, but the reality is
we have approved plans with the village,

858
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:11,000
and we have all 12 lots to close.
Now, the village needs to come up with a

859
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:14,840
scenario to protect us. That's all I'm
saying.

860
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:18,280
We're not saying no, just protect us.
>> So what if

861
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:22,840
» Okay, I have something to
and Bill and Jed.

862
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:27,400
» Okay, so
I'm not an engineer.

863
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:31,880
And I'm trying to follow what's all
taken place here.

864
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:34,160
But right now we have a main going down
Venice.

865
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,520
Is that going down the center of the
street or is that kind of one side or

866
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:40,200
the other, do you know?
>> Mostly north.

867
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:44,240
» Mostly on the north side. Okay, so it's
close to where the development is.

868
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,960
» No, it's the opposite side.
>> It's almost on the south side of

869
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:53,880
» Okay.
So, to connect into that water main

870
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,880
what what Jeff wants to do

871
00:59:54,520 --> 01:00:02,280
who would be responsible for putting
that T in that goes over to Marston?

872
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:07,400
Marston, you see. Okay. So, you're
responsible for

873
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,240
doing whatever surface work to do to
pull up the the

874
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,760
uh
dig that hole

875
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:18,040
put that T in there, put the water main
down down through Marston.

876
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,000
» No, no, no. It's going to be each house.
>> What

877
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,840
That's the lateral.
>> Right. That's all that we're talking

878
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:28,360
about. Everything else is done. We're
just tapping into those

879
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:31,200
» We're not responsible for any main.
>> But you're coming

880
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:35,520
So, you're taking you So, you're going
to take the main coming out of Venice

881
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,080
and you're going to tap 12 lateral out
of that?

882
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:44,720
All the way down going
>> Yeah, east and west.

883
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,720
» from

884
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:53,240
» Yeah, the lots that that that open up to
Venice is what we're talking about. All

885
01:00:51,040 --> 01:01:00,280
the infrastructure in there is already
done and good to go. What he's talking

886
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:04,680
about is the 12 lots that open up to
Venice Street

887
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:06,640
that would the lateral would tap into
not new piping

888
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:11,920
» Okay.
>> but the current pipe that's in the

889
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,920
ground right now.

890
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,880
» I got you.
Okay.

891
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,880
That makes more sense. Now, I understand
where you're at now. Okay.

892
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:25,480
Thank you.
>> Yeah, go ahead, Chad.

893
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,240
» Yeah, I'm just not comfortable with any
of this. I mean, there's nothing in the

894
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,960
packet about this. Now, we're talking
about buying properties and needing

895
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:36,080
attorney guarantees. So, I make a motion
that we postpone this to the next

896
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,080
meeting.

897
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:42,600
» Uh
Well, if you made that motion, is

898
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,600
anybody going to second it?

899
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:50,360
All right, there's no second, so the
motion dies. I think, Chad, it's

900
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:56,000
important while the information is not
there, cuz it's obviously very fresh,

901
01:01:53,040 --> 01:02:00,160
this this concern came up, that it's
important for everybody to at least hear

902
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,840
the background.
Um, I

903
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:10,480
I agree, there isn't going to be a
decision tonight because of where the

904
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:14,480
differences are between the village and
the developer. So, we're going to

905
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:20,480
clearly have to
uh obviously refer and and talk about

906
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:29,240
it, but I I want to make sure that
everybody here has an opportunity to ask

907
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:35,040
the questions with the engineer and Jeff
and understand what we're actually

908
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:37,440
talking about here.
Bill.

909
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:41,000
» Just one one one more thing.
>> Um

910
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:45,000
» Seeing as Jeff brought this up, um I
think we need to staff needs to bring

911
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,520
Paul in.
Seeing as you want to bring this to a

912
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:53,400
legal issue. You say you wanted to bring
it to the courts if you don't get your

913
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,160
way. So, I think we need to bring Paul
in.

914
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:58,680
» Absolutely.
>> Well, and let him let him look at the

915
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:02,600
kind of track and let him evaluate it
quickly, right? With your lawyers

916
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:07,040
and figure that out. I think that's the
the right thing to do.

917
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:11,920
» So, has anybody talked to Paul?
Cuz our attorney has.

918
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:17,000
And he flat out said, "This isn't your
problem. You have approved plans."

919
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:21,360
» Who said Who you that to what? Pass all
that to our attorney.

920
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:25,240
» Well, let's just
Yeah, I I Yeah, but here's the problem

921
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:28,000
right now, Chris.
You know,

922
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:32,480
again,
in over 40 years, I think I've been to

923
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:35,360
court twice. So, take my comment very
lightly cuz

924
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:38,880
we don't do that.
But,

925
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:42,760
it's not like we're in June. We can't
wait a month.

926
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:47,960
Okay? There's a laptop that's closed,
things like that. So, you know,

927
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:51,680
honestly,
you know, I I nothing's going to happen

928
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:56,080
tonight. I I get that.
Uh the first call I'll do on the way

929
01:03:53,720 --> 01:04:01,720
home is talking to our attorney
because this has to get settled very

930
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:06,600
quickly because we need to get this work
done

931
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:11,520
or that legal agreement signed
very quick.

932
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:16,880
And again, I have the lawyer with the
experience would tell me we we will sign

933
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,360
approve the plan, we have the right to
do that.

934
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,960
» I just Like I said, I I'm not going to
argue that legal point, but before you

935
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:32,800
can do that, the village, my
understanding, needs to give you a

936
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:36,440
permit to allow you to damage our
roadway. Correct?

937
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:40,400
» I think there's more that we need from
the village, but yes.

938
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:45,560
» Okay. So, I'm just going to play that
out that that's still in our domain.

939
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:49,840
Right?
And is it to ours that in fact there's a

940
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,680
delay?
>> That's all part of what we'll be

941
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:55,520
talking.
>> Yeah, I think there's a lot of lot of

942
01:04:53,880 --> 01:05:02,040
issues here.
Um and I think we do need to sit down

943
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:05,280
and look at this and try to come up with
a compromise. I don't think it's that

944
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:09,720
difficult
to do.

945
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:17,560
But, I do think that
uh the village has been very

946
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:21,800
open to making modifications
to certain things to help your

947
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:26,280
development along. And I don't think
we've asked for very much from you on

948
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,920
this.
And this is an ask.

949
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:36,360
Even though it may be
clearly legally that in that uh

950
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:40,680
developer's agreement you can do that,
right?

951
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:46,480
We are asking
for something that will benefit the

952
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:51,520
village and its residents.
And I think you need to go back and

953
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:56,440
think of all the positive things we've
done as a village to help your

954
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:02,520
development and maybe it's time to look
what you could help us on on something

955
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:08,720
like this. And yes, did we foresee this?
You know, a year ago, two years ago, no.

956
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:13,080
It came up, it was an idea, it made
sense, and just I think it makes sense

957
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,320
to everybody. It's just the timing of
it.

958
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:19,960
So,
>> I guess Brian a question.

959
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:23,680
» Sure. Just want a little I just want a
little bit more clarity on what you were

960
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:27,480
talking about. So, I assume what the
delay till spring would be is they

961
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:32,080
didn't build that frontage down to the
sidewalk, don't put in the curb, so that

962
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:34,880
allows us then in the spring to go and
tear things up with the main and then

963
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,960
finish the road with the curb. And
that's what all that was alluding to.

964
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:43,200
» Right. So, it's a single closure.
>> Single closure in the spring, don't

965
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,840
put the curb in cuz
>> Right.

966
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,440
» you're going to come back and do that,
but you do

967
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:50,040
the whole replacement in the spring with
the water main. And then at that time

968
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:54,760
when the road's locked up, that's when
you put connect the lat rails to the new

969
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:56,960
water main idea. All that.
>> Right.

970
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,040
Right.
>> That

971
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:04,560
You're looking for a good solution,
that's the one that sounds great.

972
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:11,800
» And you know, again, we're in favor of
that with a surety

973
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:15,000
of some financial
>> I don't understand your fear. The

974
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:17,600
village isn't going to do this. That's
why it's not going to happen.

975
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,800
» Well, but I can look at it as a
consumer. Would I want to buy that

976
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:22,120
property?
>> Not sure.

977
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:25,640
» I mean, how many of us are thinking as a
consumer?

978
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:30,000
» But I think as a
consumer, it's in the best interest to

979
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:35,440
have a new water main. Because then if
I'm coming to like take a look and I see

980
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:37,800
that oh, there's a water main break or
you know, I hear about this and I feel

981
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:42,120
like that'd be in the best interest of
the builders also. Like you're getting a

982
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:46,120
new water main. Also, you still have
access to water if we didn't. So that's

983
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:50,080
where I agree with Jay. So
>> And the obligation is the village has to

984
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:54,920
supply municipal water and sewer. We
can't just tell you not to do it.

985
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:58,080
You know, I I like I said, I'm not
seeing that fear factor, but we let's

986
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:03,200
just
Um I I just don't think we take any

987
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:07,960
action on this and I think we need to
set something up and

988
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:11,360
see if we can work these things out
where everybody's happy with it.

989
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,280
» Yeah, one other question.
>> Yeah, go ahead, Michael.

990
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:18,839
» So there was a discussion about whether
or not electrical and gas were going to

991
01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:21,960
be making it to these northernmost phase
one. And there was a little discrepancy

992
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:27,480
on whether or not there was. So you're
making it sound like all utilities are

993
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:32,240
going to be hooked to all the houses in
all phase one but phase B. Like there

994
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:35,000
isn't that utility delaying of
electrical or gas.

995
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:39,000
» No, we we met with MG&E I think it was
the week before Friday. We can do

996
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:43,279
Monday, it doesn't matter.
Um because it's hasn't been fun dealing

997
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:47,520
with MG&E.
Um but we had

998
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:51,120
some pretty important people there.
Um that's where we got the date of the

999
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,640
first phase
um

1000
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,759
starting around Labor Day.
It's going to take about a week.

1001
01:08:55,759 --> 01:09:02,440
Um
and then the good news is they're very

1002
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:05,720
receptive and open and knowing now that
they kind of dropped the ball on phase

1003
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:10,720
one and they will share with us phase
two will be very shortly later on.

1004
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,640
» Well, so this is
phase two of the

1005
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,200
» phase
>> of phase one. This This is what you

1006
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:18,560
would have said.
>> It is.

1007
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:21,480
» It's phase two of phase one, but that is
they've done like, "Okay, we're going to

1008
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:24,359
do this one
before whatever."

1009
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:28,080
» Yeah, I think they might even said when
they they're already doing phase one

1010
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:30,839
depending on where we are. They might
just do phase two.

1011
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:33,240
» Okay, they might not know for a long
what's going on.

1012
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:35,759
All right, okay. That's cuz there was
some

1013
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:39,960
I wasn't sure if there was going to be
other utilities making up these lots.

1014
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:44,640
Yep, this fall.
>> Most of it's our intent to you know,

1015
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:49,880
again, it was our intent since day one
that all these lots

1016
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:54,200
serviceful, completed,
village happy

1017
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:59,280
by the end of year.
>> Thank you. Can we

1018
01:09:55,560 --> 01:10:03,520
Can we just fix the semantics because
in the project there's phase one, phase

1019
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:09,920
two which is different whole different
part of the area of Marshall area.

1020
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:13,960
Uh I'd really like the 1A, 1B. That
makes more sense and it's all the

1021
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:18,760
clarity when you're trying to
understand this from the notes and

1022
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:21,680
looking forward in a year from now. So,
if we can just I think Jay brought that

1023
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:25,720
up.
Phase 1A, phase 1B.

1024
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:30,320
That at least that that keeps everything
straight. That's all. Just the semantics

1025
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,320
thing.

1026
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:39,280
» All righty. I think we've gone as far as
we can on this. We'll clearly be in

1027
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:42,360
contact with you. Hopefully see if we
can work something out.

1028
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:51,600
All right. Number four, discussion and
possible action regarding phasing cost

1029
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:54,160
scenarios for Park Street improvement.
Brian.

1030
01:10:54,200 --> 01:11:01,040
All right, who wants to can a summary of
>> be Brett and Matt'll do it. Matt can do

1031
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,040
it.

1032
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:12,560
» Okay. And I think what we should We're
staying focused on here are the

1033
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:17,920
scenarios that we kind of talked a
little bit about after the last meeting.

1034
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:21,760
Uh Michael brought it up of instead of
doing it in three phases, doing it in

1035
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:25,040
one and all the pros and cons. That's
what we're talking about. We're not

1036
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:29,880
talking about the money part right now
or to approve. That'll come in the CIP.

1037
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:37,800
Go ahead and
Yes, what are we

1038
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:42,200
Well, I I think Michael
Michael you had a couple You had some

1039
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:45,720
questions. You know, let's
let's talk about you asked me the

1040
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:50,000
questions and I didn't know. Okay, I'll
help remind you. The engineering Has the

1041
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:52,280
engineering been done on all of Park
Street?

1042
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:57,640
» It is not.
>> Would it be possible to have it done

1043
01:11:55,400 --> 01:12:00,280
by the time we would start?
>> Yes.

1044
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:03,120
» All right. So that was one of your
questions. You remember that? You

1045
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:07,160
remember your second one cuz I'm not
able to answer all of those. Go ahead.

1046
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:12,600
» I don't remember.
Well, let's

1047
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:17,320
» All right. So when we're looking at it
uh just uh to confirm, it's basically a

1048
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:22,200
5%
savings if you did it all at once.

1049
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:26,080
» Approximately, yes.
>> All right. Now

1050
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:32,600
I don't remember if we had this
discussion, but Seth brought it up.

1051
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:38,240
Did we ever talk about putting a path or
a sidewalk along Park Street when we did

1052
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:42,000
this? Cuz I know that scenario that you
have where you gave us cost does not

1053
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,000
include that.
>> It actually does.

1054
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,600
» Oh, it does?
>> Yeah.

1055
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:50,000
» Okay.
>> level

1056
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:53,200
Uh forgive me if I was too forward. At
At level when we do our budget

1057
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:56,600
estimates,
we just kind of kick ideas around the

1058
01:12:54,720 --> 01:13:00,160
staff. I mean, is there any chance
there's going to they're going to want a

1059
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:04,960
sidewalk on this? So, we In those
budgets, we do have one sidewalk,

1060
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,960
sidewalk, not both sidewalks.
>> Okay.

1061
01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:11,040
» Just just to be conservative.
>> No, that's good. I'm glad you said that.

1062
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,920
» Cuz that's very good. And you can pull
it off. Just cuz it's in the budget

1063
01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:17,360
doesn't mean you can
>> No, no. I I think uh

1064
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:21,960
I think that's brought up, and I'm glad
Seth did, cuz then I've been looking

1065
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:28,120
more at the cost of the sewer and water
and then not even thinking of the road.

1066
01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:32,920
So, I do think that is a critical place
to have a sidewalk or a path.

1067
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:35,280
» If we do it both on just one side, so
they're not crossing.

1068
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:37,560
» Yeah, I see.
>> We didn't go into that far detail.

1069
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:41,400
» Okay, okay.
>> No, but I agree with you. We And if we

1070
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:45,960
can do it in the roadway, I think the
southern part would be the best to hook

1071
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:50,760
up to where the post office is, cuz
there isn't too much after that, and

1072
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:55,680
that's more open lots, you know, parking
lots and stuff. So, that where it gets

1073
01:13:52,840 --> 01:14:01,400
tight, it would be easier to take from
those empty lot sidewalk than the other

1074
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:05,800
side that already has a part of it, but
you got a retaining wall and everything.

1075
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:08,840
I'm not sure why when we allowed those
two duplexes, we didn't connect the two

1076
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:12,600
sidewalks.
>> I'm thinking there's utility poles all

1077
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:15,000
over on that side.
>> You would do

1078
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,040
layouts for the group as I said.
>> Yeah.

1079
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,640
» Okay.
>> All right. Either you or you decide.

1080
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,560
» No, no, no. I
>> Money's in there.

1081
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:25,200
» Oh.
>> And I think there's a bunch of like safe

1082
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:28,640
walk to school grants, so.
>> Yeah.

1083
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:35,320
Okay. So, that that's good. That answers
your question, Seth. We do, and it's in

1084
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:35,320
the budget, so that's great. Um

1085
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:45,120
So, let's uh
I I guess maybe there isn't uh I would

1086
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:52,440
like to hear from people here
what they feel of the idea of doing it

1087
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:52,440
all at once versus two.

1088
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:58,640
Bill.
>> So,

1089
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:09,120
we save save
5% ish one way to go there.

1090
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:16,520
Uh we'll have to take out a loan
earlier than later to do the work.

1091
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:21,480
So, mathematically
are we still saving that 5% having to

1092
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:25,560
pay whatever interest we have on that
money

1093
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:29,320
that we're taking out before 2027 or
2028 whenever we're doing the second

1094
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:33,640
part of that
road. So, instead of doing

1095
01:15:31,560 --> 01:15:38,440
part one of Park Street, part two, and
taking out two separate loans, right,

1096
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:43,080
and getting deferred interest
when we do the second, we take out one

1097
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:52,640
big loan to do all Park Street to save
the 5% in construction fees, but do we

1098
01:15:46,440 --> 01:15:55,880
do we at least not pay a 5% interest
through that first year?

1099
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:59,280
» That would only come into effect if we
had the money and we were making

1100
01:15:57,280 --> 01:16:02,120
interest on it, but we're not making
There is no

1101
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:05,920
» No, we're not making
We're paying We're paying interest to

1102
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:09,080
the bank to whoever's giving us the
money for the loan.

1103
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:11,440
» No, it's going to be always the same.
How's that change?

1104
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,200
» It's going to be a
>> I get what you're saying.

1105
01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:18,520
» I understand what you're saying, but as
a caveat to that, if we wait a year and

1106
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:21,120
the cost of metal pipe to put in the
water main goes up 4%,

1107
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,400
» Yeah, you're right.
>> just

1108
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:26,560
saved all the first
>> Or if interest rates go up 2%, there's

1109
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:31,600
no saving.
>> I understand that. But that was my

1110
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:36,480
point. If Are we thinking about I the
interest on the money

1111
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:43,400
» My my big thing is affordability.
That that's the number one for me. And

1112
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:47,120
and I might as well speak now because
I'm going to be saying it during the

1113
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:51,600
other discussion on capital law
together.

1114
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:59,040
We're going in We just borrowed 4.1
million bucks.

1115
01:16:53,720 --> 01:17:03,360
We just had the average home went up 67%
in assessment. So, that means any of you

1116
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:07,760
that done your calculations, if you're
over 67%,

1117
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:12,240
your taxes is going up.
Right? If you had 67, it should stay the

1118
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:17,120
same if we don't make any more. But,
anything over 67, you're paying a bigger

1119
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:22,840
bigger share of it. So, for me, I'm up
91%. So, I'm going to go up 30-some. My

1120
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:27,440
My taxes is going to go up because the
average went up 67%. So, if you're over

1121
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:31,280
that, if you're under that, your taxes
goes down if you're looking at today's

1122
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:35,160
numbers.
So, that's hitting people. We're talking

1123
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:40,520
about
raising water rates. So, that's coming

1124
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:47,200
out of some of their
out of our residents. So,

1125
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:51,760
you know, the the question to me more is
affordability and how much this is going

1126
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:58,920
to cost.
And, while I hear what you're saying and

1127
01:17:55,080 --> 01:18:03,920
I'm all for saving money on projects,
where I thought you were going is the

1128
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:08,280
cost of doing it all at once is going to
be a huge increase

1129
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:11,760
in debt. So, that means a huge increase
on what we have to pay. It doesn't go

1130
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:17,600
against the levy, but we still got to
pay that debt off. If you stretch it,

1131
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:22,640
then you're slowly moving it up instead
of hitting everybody

1132
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:26,240
with a big hit right away.
It would take a little bit more thought

1133
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:30,360
because I got to figure out when we're
going to make the big hit for water and

1134
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:36,920
when we're going to make some of these
other improvements that

1135
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:42,120
uh are out there. Um so, that's where
my thing is, can

1136
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:44,360
the residents afford doing it all at
once?

1137
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:47,240
» Well, there's another alternative to
that, too.

1138
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:51,200
Maybe
is, you know, one of the things we're

1139
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,760
going to be talking about later is
capital.

1140
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:56,960
» Yeah.
>> Right? And if some of that can be

1141
01:18:55,880 --> 01:19:00,640
delayed
>> But the original plan was over 3 years.

1142
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,320
It's three phases.
>> Right.

1143
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,560
» That's the original plan. That's what's
in the CIB. Yeah.

1144
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,520
» Okay.
>> Right.

1145
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:11,760
» Yeah. Yeah, it is. And then that's And I
think that the reason is it gives

1146
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,560
an easier
>> Right.

1147
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:19,040
» take on
people's property bill. Go ahead.

1148
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:22,920
» Okay, so I understand you're talking
about a one-time hit, but people will

1149
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:26,480
whether they pay for it in 1 year or
they pay for it in 3 years, they're

1150
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:30,440
still paying for it the whole amount in
in a 3-year time period. So, there isn't

1151
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:33,680
really any affordability savings if it's
happening anyway in 3 years.

1152
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:40,200
» Well, it's still going to cost the same.
>> And so then when you have then a 5%

1153
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:44,120
savings on a 300 and $3 million project,
that's $150,000.

1154
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:47,760
What that means is that savings then
then the next year when we do our $150

1155
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:51,800
street savings things, guess what? We
just saved $150,000 by doing Park Street

1156
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:56,160
the first year. That $150,000 we saved
then that's a free paving job for the

1157
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:59,640
village by doing it all at one time.
>> All right, Sarah then myself.

1158
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:03,640
» I think what you're saying is I I just
was thinking that it helps us to budget

1159
01:20:01,400 --> 01:20:08,160
more because because we're going to be
looking at each year, it's

1160
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:12,000
it's right there in the forefront of our
mind. We're thinking about that versus

1161
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:14,960
like if you did it all at once,
then I feel like we might start thinking

1162
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:17,680
about other projects.
>> Yeah.

1163
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:23,520
Michael, I think
uh your while your numbers are correct

1164
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:26,520
that after 3 years you're there,
>> You're right.

1165
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:30,880
» but there are a lot of people
in this village

1166
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:37,400
that are on that line
and over 3 years they may able to do it

1167
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:43,680
because they can maybe save this or they
get a raise at work or they do something

1168
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:48,840
like that to compensate for that.
But there's a point where you raise it

1169
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:51,760
so high, it's almost impossible for
someone

1170
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:57,440
to cover.
>> I've got something next.

1171
01:20:53,920 --> 01:21:03,280
» Okay, you know, so I I think while
again, when you look at it logically and

1172
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:08,640
numbers-wise, you are you are absolutely
correct. But what you're not looking at

1173
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:13,080
are people's ability to pay. And if you
can stretch it out, and that's why

1174
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:18,600
people take car loans cuz they can't
come up with the cash right away. They

1175
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:22,560
spread it over 5 years cuz they can make
that. So,

1176
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:27,000
um I just wanted to point out that
that's the other side of the coin.

1177
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,960
All right, Jed, you wanted to say
something?

1178
01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:33,880
» Yeah, I agree that affordability is
going to be a big issue. Um, you know,

1179
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:38,120
besides the things that were mentioned
with tax assessments, I mean, I I've

1180
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:41,360
heard lots of residents talking about,
you know, maybe having to sell their

1181
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:45,840
house if their tax assessment goes up
that far because they're already at that

1182
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:49,880
margin. Um, we also have the school
district trying to do the referendum,

1183
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:53,760
which may or may not raise the taxes. It
may keep it equivalent, but now you've

1184
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:58,560
got another tax, if you will.
Um, so I would be in favor of doing it

1185
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:03,400
in three phases.
>> Okay, I got Michael and myself.

1186
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:07,200
» All right. So, if we go to a three-phase
thing, you're returning Park Street 3

1187
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,880
years in a row. You're causing all kinds
of headache on Park Street for 3

1188
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:13,000
summers, street and road, rather than
just the one shot. And we've already

1189
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:16,840
done sewer and water, we've done it in
one shot, man. We did Church Street, the

1190
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:20,440
entire thing, one year. We just got it
done. If we're talking about concerns

1191
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:24,480
about affordability, why did we build an
$8 million new village hall if now

1192
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:28,040
everybody all of the sudden nobody has
any money to pay for anything?

1193
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:32,400
That's what I don't understand.
>> Well, I agree with you. Oh, hang on.

1194
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:37,120
» Let me say that because if this makes
sense financially to do it all in one

1195
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:40,960
year because we save money, but now it's
but now that every single time something

1196
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:44,800
that makes sense on paper to save money
is not you can't afford it because it's

1197
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:48,160
too much of a lump sum, how are we going
to convince people that we're putting in

1198
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:52,600
paying for a giant water tank over in
Marston? There's no affordability thing.

1199
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:56,800
There's a one-time thing of what, $4
million in the CIP? And this is an

1200
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:59,520
opportunity to actually actually really
save money by doing a project all at one

1201
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:04,000
time.
>> Okay, Michael. I think you have a very

1202
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:09,520
narrow look. Let's talk about the
Village Hall since you pointed that out.

1203
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:16,120
Sure. We have spread that cost over 5
years. We bought the lot.

1204
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:20,400
We then paid for the the architect.
Now we're paying for construction over 2

1205
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:25,880
years.
Over 2 years.

1206
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:30,760
And we timed it where we took things off
debt, so there was space. That first 3

1207
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:36,240
million people didn't notice it because
we pulled off we had completed debt. So

1208
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:41,720
that replaced it, so it stayed neutral.
So I'm going to disagree with you.

1209
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:48,200
Village Hall was well planned out for
the whole thought of not jumping up

1210
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:52,440
the cost of people's property tax. All
right? So that that's one thing I want

1211
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:57,320
you to correct. Now let's talk about the
reservoir you talked about. That

1212
01:23:54,720 --> 01:24:04,680
reservoir we're getting someone to pay
57%.

1213
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:09,800
I'm we as a village are saving 57%
on a reservoir. We're not paying 100%.

1214
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:15,960
Now if you can get Park Street someone
to pay for 57% of it, I'm all for doing

1215
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:20,960
it all at once. But you're not there. I
just want to make sure you've got to

1216
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:26,280
look at big picture here and look at the
planning that has gone into some of

1217
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:31,320
these major projects.
All right. So,

1218
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:35,840
I'm I'm understanding where you're
coming from. I'm just

1219
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:42,040
Well, no. There's no way they actually
have a chance

1220
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:46,760
But Michael, I brought that out as one
of the things that should be taken into

1221
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:51,440
consideration. I'm not saying that I'm
even for breaking it into three. I'm

1222
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:57,240
just giving you
the feedback on why it would make sense

1223
01:24:54,720 --> 01:25:02,320
to break it out. And that's the main
reason. All right. It also would make if

1224
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:07,280
you ask me, I'd like to postpone the
thing until we really know what's going

1225
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:10,560
to happen next year with a number of
projects that are already going.

1226
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:17,360
» Well, I'm fine with postponing.
>> So, but we have the people here. And

1227
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:23,680
again, this is a discussion that we need
all of our input in and looking at the

1228
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:28,480
different one. There is not one solution
to this. And we all probably have

1229
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:34,200
different ideas on where we weigh weigh
things. You know, I'm all for saving

1230
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:40,120
money. Absolutely, 100%. I'm just wanted
to point out the other side of it where

1231
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:43,240
that can be a problem to some of our
residents. That's all.

1232
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:46,680
» Bill.
How many water main breaks do we have on

1233
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,280
Park Street?
>> Um I believe there's

1234
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:55,480
» Per year or so?
>> Uh there's 20 documented. Um the pipes

1235
01:25:53,240 --> 01:26:00,760
was put in in 1959.
So, we don't really have a whole lot of

1236
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:03,680
information prior to 2000. But
>> But even in the past couple years, we've

1237
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,280
had quite a few
>> There's about one a year.

1238
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:09,160
» About one a year?
>> Yeah.

1239
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:11,400
» And what's it cost us to to fix to fix
that?

1240
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:15,640
» Uh but I thought it was only 5,000.
>> Yeah, it's like I did a rough estimate

1241
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:18,320
of, you know, 5,000.
>> Who would pay for it?

1242
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:25,520
» But I think the main reason we're
looking at part three is more to the

1243
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:30,520
sewer side of it because it's very old
piping in there and it's clay piping and

1244
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:36,800
the water's getting
into the pipe and then that goes to the

1245
01:26:33,480 --> 01:26:42,440
sewer plant which affects capacity and
affects that clear water that we get

1246
01:26:39,440 --> 01:26:47,520
graded down on in those reports. So it
needs to happen. I don't get me wrong. I

1247
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:51,840
am not arguing that it doesn't. I'm
trying to piece everything together that

1248
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:57,880
makes sense
and keep it in an idea that

1249
01:26:55,400 --> 01:27:03,240
there's so much uncertainty
next year on how this all works with

1250
01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:09,160
this big assessment. Everything's going
to be tied to that. So I just want to

1251
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:13,440
make sure we have a good decision here
and like I say

1252
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:16,440
I may you know, I'm kind of saying if
like

1253
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:23,400
just let's get it all done with, but I
do need to know what the total impact is

1254
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:28,680
going to be on our residents and it's
you know, we're working hard to see what

1255
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:34,560
the budget and what salaries and base
budgets are for that part of it. Then

1256
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:40,720
we're looking at borrowing and we got to
realistically look when we do the CIP

1257
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:43,720
what we're doing there because while it
doesn't hit levy limit, we still got to

1258
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,000
pay for that debt.
>> Okay, so I got one more question.

1259
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,080
» Yeah, go ahead.
>> So then

1260
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:53,440
» These are important.
>> Yeah. So

1261
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:58,000
what is what is the impact on water
sewer if you wait a year?

1262
01:27:55,880 --> 01:28:03,320
A year then.
>> Well, the impact is $2 to $5 per

1263
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:08,400
thousand gallons treated. So that means
just that more much more I&I going to

1264
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:11,600
the sewer plant that needs to be treated
that shouldn't happen.

1265
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:14,880
» Do you have a guess on what that cost
would be? I know I've tried adding this

1266
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:18,080
together.
>> I know it's a guess.

1267
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:25,080
» So it would maybe
Well, at the high end it would be $1,000

1268
01:28:22,360 --> 01:28:29,760
but the low end is $400 for the elbows.
Two per thousand gallon. You're doing

1269
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:35,280
Well, if you're if you're doing 250, two
is 500 and five is 1250 a day per rain

1270
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:40,040
day. This summer when you rain days are
>> It's I think I estimated about 100 rain

1271
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:43,240
days and it was around $70,000.
>> Okay. Okay.

1272
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:46,200
I mean this summer we probably haven't
added too many though.

1273
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:50,000
» Uh June was
>> They rained every day it seemed like.

1274
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:53,720
» They hang on for a day or two after
>> I think it's rained then. But I don't

1275
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:59,160
know. We've had pretty dry spells this
summer.

1276
01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:59,160
» Yeah, July was very dry.

1277
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:06,120
» All right. So this So if we delayed this
by So if we delayed this for a year,

1278
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:09,000
figure the cost is going to be in the
neighborhood of

1279
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:14,920
You could say
>> 70. That's a firm 70. 70 grand.

1280
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,200
» Okay.
>> That

1281
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:24,640
But I I don't want to keep throwing
things in but the other problem that is

1282
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:30,480
I'm not It's
There's more of a chance of interest

1283
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:35,520
rates going up than down. 10-year
uh government notes are at the highest

1284
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:41,280
level since uh for the since the last
decade. And a lot of long-term mortgages

1285
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:44,400
are tied to that.
So that's

1286
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:46,520
I don't I don't want necessarily we have
to play that game but

1287
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:50,200
» and
>> I know it is. I'm just throwing that out

1288
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:51,600
there. I'm I'm trying to read everything
here.

1289
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,520
» Right. I get it.
>> And try to put all the pieces together

1290
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:58,040
for us.
>> I have one question.

1291
01:29:56,200 --> 01:30:02,800
» Go ahead, Jed.
>> If we delay that for a year, I mean

1292
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:09,440
we've got the wastewater treatment
facility updates for $2.7 million

1293
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:14,200
dollars the following year in 20
28 for the water infrastructure at 3 and

1294
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:18,720
1/2 million dollars. I mean, are we even
able to push that off or we pushing then

1295
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:22,280
other things back down another year?
>> Well, the

1296
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:26,000
sewer
we'll wait for that report and I am

1297
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:30,520
hoping it's going to be here the next
month or two. That'll give us a really

1298
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:36,200
good idea but that's a separate thing
cuz that's a utility.

1299
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:40,280
Um and that one if you remember we're in
really financially that is probably in

1300
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:45,080
the best shape of anything in the
village. If you remember with the

1301
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:49,560
auditor's report on the borrowing
uh they like a one-to-one but we're at

1302
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:53,880
one-to-three a little over three it was
3.1.

1303
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:57,720
The water's definitely going to be
uh

1304
01:30:54,560 --> 01:31:01,360
a concern. Uh again that won't
that'll be by the utility but you're

1305
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:07,640
right that's going to come out of
people's pocket. Um

1306
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:13,280
and you're right that could be it's
probably more likely two three years I

1307
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:17,200
would think. Don't you think Brian?
Would you think in two years the

1308
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:19,480
reservoir would be up?
>> Uh yes.

1309
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:22,720
» Oh, you do?
You think oh, okay.

1310
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:30,840
» It'd be here winter of 28.
Or fall 28.

1311
01:31:27,320 --> 01:31:36,240
» Oh, fall of 28 okay. So, but we could do
this in 27.

1312
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:39,720
That would spread it out.
Those two projects.

1313
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:43,040
Right?
>> Yeah, then

1314
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:46,240
even though we have the repairs on the
sewer they're still

1315
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:47,280
that's
>> Yeah.

1316
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:50,480
» that's all good.
>> Yeah, I like I say I'm pretty

1317
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:54,000
comfortable
>> Yeah, just project wise.

1318
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:59,800
» Yeah, yeah because of and and we'll have
a better idea at the end of this year

1319
01:31:57,480 --> 01:32:05,160
on sewer because then those rate
reduction that we did will be 100%

1320
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:09,400
accounted for. But right now
the sewer looks really well looks really

1321
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:11,720
good and the adding of the new houses
and

1322
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,680
the
uh

1323
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:20,320
connection fees and stuff were really
kind of building up

1324
01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:20,320
cash there.

1325
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:26,720
All right.
Um are there any more questions on this

1326
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:30,800
cuz I don't I don't I don't want to vote
on this until we get to the CIP.

1327
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:39,800
But this is your question to brainstorm
on uh

1328
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:45,640
the scenarios that have been
brought to you and have any questions

1329
01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:51,600
answered. You guys uh Jed or Cameron you
got any more questions on any of the

1330
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:56,160
scenarios or how they would work?
>> No, I'm good right now.

1331
01:32:53,400 --> 01:33:03,800
» I'm also good.
>> Okay, very good. Um so we will continue

1332
01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:03,800
this when we do the CIP.

1333
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,040
All right, good.

1334
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:18,400
Okay, five discussion and possible
action regarding proposed

1335
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:21,720
bicycle ordinance amendments to section
51.14.

1336
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,600
Who's taking lead on this?
>> Chief.

1337
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,800
» Chief?
>> Cameron Cameron you can start if you

1338
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:31,120
like.
>> All right, Cameron you're up.

1339
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:34,400
» Sure.
Um so

1340
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:37,880
you know
public safety took this matter well I

1341
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:41,720
don't know it was
three-ish months ago four-ish months ago

1342
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:46,440
we we had quite a few meetings on it
because it's coming up more and more

1343
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:50,080
across Dane County and other places. I
mean in fact even since we had our

1344
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:55,200
original proposal for updating the
ordinance, you know, I think UW Health

1345
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:59,960
has come out with a pretty prominent um
safety study around e-bikes and and

1346
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:04,080
stuff. So, really applaud Chief Tony for
having kind of the foresight and stuff

1347
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:08,880
for us to be be looking at this early.
Um we did we came to the Village Board

1348
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:14,120
with a an original proposal out of uh
Village out of Public Safety and um

1349
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:19,800
there were some concerns in particular
about um parks and trails and, you know,

1350
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:23,920
what would be allowed there. So, we
referred the matter back to parks. And

1351
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:28,560
then the matter matter came back to
Public Safety uh this past week and what

1352
01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:32,360
you're seeing now here I think is
hopefully the final iteration after

1353
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:36,160
parks and Public Safety have taken a
number of bites of this apple.

1354
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:40,000
Um
do you want me to read it or can I go

1355
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,640
over some of the highlights?
>> Uh

1356
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:46,880
what do you want?
>> Well, I I would just add that not only

1357
01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:52,880
has that gone through the committees,
but it also has been seen by our Village

1358
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,880
Attorney twice.

1359
01:34:54,480 --> 01:35:02,360
» Okay. So, why don't you go through the
highlights uh Cameron?

1360
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:09,760
» Okay. I mean the the key highlights from
when you guys last saw this

1361
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:13,400
um are the additions to um so, before we
had said no e-bikes, no e-scooters, no

1362
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:17,640
nothing in any parks or trails or
conservancy.

1363
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:23,280
Um we had that has been amended slightly
here. So, now it's just class three

1364
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:28,240
e-bikes are not allowed on any of the um
the trails in in paths.

1365
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:34,080
Class one and two
uh and electric scooters are allowed,

1366
01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:38,240
but they cannot exceed 15 mph. Um
also in addition to the park land and

1367
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:42,440
conservancies, we um well, the parks
committee um added sidewalks as well,

1368
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:47,160
which was good.
Um we've added some stuff in for um you

1369
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:52,400
know, you know, if the Chief of Police
or someone he designates put signs up,

1370
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:55,640
we could, you know, say, "Hey, no
e-bikes here." That seems to be very

1371
01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:59,600
similar to what Madison and Middleton
has.

1372
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:05,720
Um
And the we are suggesting not suggesting

1373
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:10,960
our ordinance will have that groups of
riders on bicycles and e-bikes may

1374
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:14,840
operate two abreast instead of single
file in the village that aligns with

1375
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:17,760
state law.
Um

1376
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:24,200
I think the only other thing we really
changed since the last time this group

1377
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:29,880
saw it is
helmet requirements.

1378
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:35,720
Anyone riding a class three or I'm
sorry, anyone riding an e-bike under the

1379
01:36:32,640 --> 01:36:41,320
age of 18 um
will be required to wear a helmet given

1380
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,320
that they go a lot faster.

1381
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:49,440
» I think this timing is perfect and I
really appreciate all the work. I saw

1382
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:54,760
that
not only on the local news but it made

1383
01:36:51,320 --> 01:37:00,960
on the national news. So, it is a topic
that's very current and I'm glad we're

1384
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:06,000
in the forefront of doing something. Did
your I think this is great. I'm very

1385
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:11,080
supportive of it. The question I have
for you is what

1386
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:15,840
did you discuss any things on strategies
of getting the word out and educating

1387
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:20,040
the community on this?
>> Well, I think for us it's going to be a

1388
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:24,920
lot of social media getting the the
schools.

1389
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:29,640
We've already had one bike rodeo during
national night out but doing another you

1390
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:32,960
know, bike rodeo during that time. I
mean, these things are going to be put

1391
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:36,840
to sleep here within the next month or
so. So, I think we're we're on the right

1392
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:41,200
trail. We'll just have to hammer it
away, you know, put it in the paper and

1393
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:45,920
whatever wherever we can put it, maybe
through flyers,

1394
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:49,400
posted everywhere and anywhere. Um I
think that

1395
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:53,040
that will be uh for sure. And you're
right, it's not only it's making

1396
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:56,720
national news, but it was just it was in
the local municipality was talking about

1397
01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:00,720
it. I mean, everybody's talking about
it. It's it's

1398
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:03,920
it's it's a it's a topic and um
the

1399
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:07,800
I think that this was well thought out.
I appreciate Parks taking

1400
01:38:06,280 --> 01:38:12,600
a hard look at it. They even looked at
it from the lines of public safety also.

1401
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:16,960
So, I think you know, we we saw some
things. I mean, there's some things that

1402
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:22,480
you know, some disagreements, but that
was all healthy and helped us come with

1403
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:25,600
this final product. Uh, I will add that
um

1404
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:29,440
our village attorney had also in number
15 where it says electric bikes and

1405
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:33,600
electric scooters, he had put just
bicycles. And I just felt that was just

1406
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:36,440
that's just too much to enforce helmets
on

1407
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:39,760
regular bicycles. It just seems
very heavy-handed.

1408
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:44,960
The other thing we will do is uh once
this gets approved uh in whatever group

1409
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:50,400
whatever state it does, um we're going
to educate our officers. They're

1410
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:55,200
well-versed in the state law of it. Um
fortunate for us I have Matt as a member

1411
01:38:53,120 --> 01:39:00,440
of the Traffic Safety Commission. So, he
brings back a lot of topics from that.

1412
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:05,240
But also, we we've had uh education from
other communities uh through PowerPoints

1413
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:09,120
of what they're doing, um incorporating
that on their own village ordinance but

1414
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:13,600
how the state law works. Uh, we'll be
very, you know, proactive on this, you

1415
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:17,200
know, when we Right now, we do a lot of
proactivity on bikes, you know,

1416
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:21,000
giving if somebody's got a helmet on,
we're giving them out,

1417
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:24,920
you know, tokens for ice cream and and
just addaboys and high-fives and those

1418
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:30,160
kind of things. I think this will will
come in handy. The village is There are

1419
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:35,440
village members who are are confused
with state law and why don't we have an

1420
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:40,000
ordinance? So, I think this will help
guide them. You'll also see that there's

1421
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:45,480
some stuff embedded in here
um that is already state law, but we we

1422
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:49,520
put it in here so people could read it.
Much like the fireworks ordinance, if

1423
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:53,160
you remember, the reason we added some
language is because you can always lean

1424
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:57,600
on numbers and say, "Well, you can look
at, you know, state statute, whatever."

1425
01:39:55,240 --> 01:40:01,400
But the ones that we saw for sure need
to be abiding, and we added them to our

1426
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:05,920
ordinance, even though they're already
even though they're part of state law.

1427
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:10,080
So, it's just to give some
some language for the people to read.

1428
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:15,520
» Okay, go ahead. I had a question.
>> Go ahead.

1429
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,240
» You were first.
>> Okay.

1430
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:19,600
» And then
>> Um

1431
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:23,240
So, if I read this, I'm just wrapping
me. Are bicycles not allowed on

1432
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:24,880
sidewalks?
>> Bicycles are allowed.

1433
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,480
» They are?
>> They are allowed. So, I am

1434
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:31,400
» We just have to give
>> We're just adding this to the bicycle

1435
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:33,160
ordinance. Bicycle ordinance already
exists.

1436
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:36,000
» But the bicycles won't have to give
right of way.

1437
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:38,120
» Right. Right. But I'm just thinking I
thought it was no bicycle and I'm

1438
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:40,720
thinking my little 4-year-old
granddaughter, she's on Actually, I want

1439
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,160
her on the sidewalk. You know what I
mean? It's on the sidewalk. She can be

1440
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:48,440
on the sidewalk.
>> As long as she's as long as she's not

1441
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:53,120
going over 15 mph, Judy.
>> Um the other thing you'll see here is

1442
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:57,480
there's some that seem
kind of

1443
01:40:55,520 --> 01:41:03,000
weird that we wouldn't enforce like
racing, for instance, right?

1444
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:06,520
Two bikes can't race. Well, we're we're
not specifically talking about like two

1445
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:09,160
8-year-olds racing their bikes down the
street or they're on the sidewalk.

1446
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:14,280
That's not what we're talking. We're
talking about kids that can go on the

1447
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:17,480
e-bikes really fast racing down the
sidewalks

1448
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:22,280
I mean, we've been passed by some of
those bikes um in our SWAT times, and I

1449
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:26,600
have to educate people already because
we have state law. So, that the spirit

1450
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:31,040
of this law is not to enforce it against
those little kids having a good time

1451
01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:37,720
outside with, you know,
It will be very well monitored

1452
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:41,320
and how in compliance will be
the most important.

1453
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:46,880
Uh this is more, you know, if you've got
a couple kids racing down Main Street at

1454
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:50,080
20 miles an hour on their e-bikes, that
is

1455
01:41:47,640 --> 01:41:52,320
covered by all means for the law.
That is all.

1456
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:56,760
» And there's going to be a big
educational part.

1457
01:41:54,720 --> 01:42:00,320
» educational part of that. And we'll
hammer education

1458
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:04,440
before them.
>> Bill.

1459
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:08,360
» I really appreciate Safety and Parks
taking the time. This has been an

1460
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:14,360
ongoing issue and
so I am going to

1461
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:18,840
make a motion that we approve the
ordinance to repeal and recreate section

1462
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:21,720
551.14
of the Village of Cross Plains Code of

1463
01:42:20,440 --> 01:42:24,880
Ordinances
concerning bicycles.

1464
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:33,480
» I will second.
>> All right, I have a motion and a second.

1465
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:39,120
Any other discussion? Now, this is one
of those ordinances we should put on our

1466
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:39,120
website that it's a change.

1467
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:47,960
And did you did either of the committees
do a public hearing on this at all?

1468
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:51,880
» I think we asked that question.
>> Paul said we didn't need to cuz it was a

1469
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:57,320
change.
>> No, no, there's legally you don't have

1470
01:42:54,160 --> 01:43:02,960
to. It's just sometimes we do it like
when we did the ATV UTV, we had public

1471
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:08,840
hearings just so people don't accuse us
of doing things behind their backs.

1472
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:11,880
» I think the first time, if I remember
correctly, that we had this on the

1473
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:15,240
agenda, we did have kind of an
additional public hearing. Do you

1474
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,840
remember that, Jay?
>> I

1475
01:43:15,716 --> 01:43:18,200
» [laughter]
>> Okay, maybe not.

1476
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:21,120
» It's just a matter of
months.

1477
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:24,720
» But yeah, I don't think anything
happened at at the committee.

1478
01:43:22,680 --> 01:43:28,080
» we have to do it. I'm just asking so
people

1479
01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:30,440
ask me or
>> Yeah, it might have been at the

1480
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:34,600
building.
>> That if we did if we could if we did one

1481
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:38,520
brave if we didn't find
>> I'm pretty sure we did one. I just cuz I

1482
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:41,160
added in an additional public hearing
and I remember you saying why did we do

1483
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:46,400
that and I was like just in case
somebody had something to say.

1484
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:49,840
And I believe Jill Hedgecock said
something came up and made a remark.

1485
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:52,840
» That's right.
>> Yeah.

1486
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:56,560
» So if we did one that's that's fine.
I just want to like I said I'm just

1487
01:43:54,360 --> 01:43:59,960
asking for information that it's not a
critique in any way.

1488
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:05,800
All right. Any other discussion?
All in favor say I.

1489
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:09,400
» I.
>> All opposed same.

1490
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:15,200
» Thank you.
>> Yeah, thank you. Good job.

1491
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:19,720
All right. Six discussion and possible
action regarding the new Village Hall

1492
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:22,200
Police Department.
>> All right. Want to start with

1493
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:25,960
technology?
>> Yeah, why not?

1494
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:31,360
» All right. So I'll just give you brief
history even though it's not actually

1495
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:35,920
that brief on the technology bids.
Um so this was back the first time we

1496
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:41,920
came to the Village Board with bids was
June 22nd and then after those getting

1497
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:48,920
reformatted and split into a separate
security bid and an AV bid

1498
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:53,920
we came back on July 27th. Um and so the
board chose to award the AV bid and not

1499
01:44:51,760 --> 01:45:00,360
the security bid. So it's been another
month and so now tonight we have

1500
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:05,080
security bid options for the Village
Board to consider.

1501
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:10,080
Um and so three came in.
Um all relatively close so those were

1502
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:15,320
all opened on Thursday at 2:00. So we
had Omni Technologies

1503
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:19,880
out of Oregon, Wisconsin, Community
Enginee- Communications Engineering Co

1504
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:26,000
or CEC
that is who the AV bid was awarded to.

1505
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:31,600
They do have a Madison office and I
think their headquarters are in Iowa.

1506
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:36,840
Um, and then Advanced Technical LLC out
of New Berlin, Wisconsin, um, came in as

1507
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:44,480
well. So, there are three pretty close
bids here, um, tonight. The low bid is

1508
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:44,480
Omni Technology at $157,223.

1509
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:54,600
Um, however, your second closest is CEC,
who is also doing the AV bid at 160,

1510
01:45:51,880 --> 01:45:58,840
um, thousand 114.
Um, so, roughly, you know, under a

1511
01:45:56,720 --> 01:46:03,680
$3,000 difference between the first two
bidders. Um, so, the recommendation from

1512
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:08,840
Wold is the low bid, um, without the
alternate, so just the base bid at

1513
01:46:05,960 --> 01:46:13,600
157,223.
And I do believe Matt Bickel's on the

1514
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:13,600
call as well.

1515
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:21,360
» Yes, I'm here, Carli, if there are any
questions.

1516
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:31,320
» All right. I just have
one question. How closely are together

1517
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:35,880
is the security system with the AV, the
audio-visual part of it? Do they use the

1518
01:46:33,800 --> 01:46:38,560
same software? Do they use the same
hardware?

1519
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:43,600
Um,
is there going to be where they need to

1520
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,600
talk to each other? I

1521
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:53,160
» Generally no, Jay. I mean, they will
have some pieces of equipment that live

1522
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:57,600
in the same environment in terms of the
server room or IDF, but, um,

1523
01:46:56,200 --> 01:47:01,200
in terms of the
the systems themselves, they are

1524
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:05,880
independent.
>> Yeah, and the reason I asked that, we're

1525
01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:13,000
looking at the difference of, uh,
basically a little over 3,000 to have

1526
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:17,040
the same company, which would avoid any
finger pointing

1527
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:21,200
if we have a problem, if they're
connected enough that that could be a

1528
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:28,440
problem. If they're two separate units,
and that is not a concern that I'm fine,

1529
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:33,560
but I have no problem spending extra
3,000 to help if if that's going to be a

1530
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:37,640
problem. They just don't want to have to
fight, you know, it could have cost us

1531
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:43,120
more in the long run.
Is there a chance of any type of

1532
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:43,120
finger-pointing on this stuff?

1533
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:50,560
» I would anticipate not. Again, it's
they're they're they're not running on

1534
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:54,080
the same cable. Um you know, they're
different pathways, different conduits.

1535
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:57,280
Um
No, it it should There shouldn't be any

1536
01:47:56,000 --> 01:48:01,680
risk of that.
>> A question I would have is would they

1537
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:08,360
be, you know, ordering things at the
same time from similar companies, like

1538
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:11,240
the timeline of things arriving? Would
would that be a benefit to having them

1539
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:15,200
both?
Having the same company provide both?

1540
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:23,880
» Um
I I think that any benefit that

1541
01:48:22,040 --> 01:48:28,760
you would potentially have
gained from having them together, we

1542
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:32,880
sort of proved out when we
um

1543
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:37,240
when we bid it as a combined package.
Um the

1544
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:41,280
the opportunity for
um

1545
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:44,840
that economy I think is would would have
been in, you know, some of their

1546
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:52,320
site supervision, project management,
that type of thing. Um

1547
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:55,840
In terms of the, you know, equipment
that they're ordering, you know, I don't

1548
01:48:54,240 --> 01:49:02,120
know that there's any significant
savings from sourcing it

1549
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:02,120
combined or separately.

1550
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:12,960
And to that point, um I think CEC had
that opportunity in bidding it the

1551
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:17,240
second time to
to realize that since they had already

1552
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:21,960
been awarded the contract for the audio
visual package that they perhaps had

1553
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:25,400
some economy. So, I would have expected
that to have been reflected in their

1554
01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:28,120
bid.
Um

1555
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:31,600
you know, if that were the case. So, my
guess is that they sharpened their

1556
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:35,360
pencil as much as they
could, um you know, based on that

1557
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:38,640
reality and that's what you see
reflected here. So,

1558
01:49:39,240 --> 01:49:45,280
» Bill,
why are we not doing alternative number

1559
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:49,360
one service maintenance option one or
two?

1560
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:53,880
» Great question, Bill. So, um the base
bid includes a 3-year

1561
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:58,280
um
main- maintenance expen- extension. So,

1562
01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:02,680
that's a service agreement and an
extended warranty

1563
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:06,680
uh for both the audio visual and video
surveillance components of the project.

1564
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:10,480
Uh we bid alternates number one and
number two to give the village some

1565
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:15,600
um
exposure to what uh that

1566
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:19,080
a continuation of that cost for an
additional 3 years, so 6 years in total

1567
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:23,840
would be.
Um

1568
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:27,240
but I I don't know that at this point um
it's kind of like the uh

1569
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:35,280
the uh the service protection that they
offer you at Costco or Best Buy or

1570
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:41,480
wherever you buy your technology, right?
Um you know, it it's kind of that added

1571
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:46,480
warranty that probably doesn't get used
um a heck of a lot. So, um

1572
01:50:44,160 --> 01:50:50,200
to go the extra 3 years,
um we don't think it's probably worth it

1573
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:54,200
at this point.
>> Great. Thank you. I appreciate that.

1574
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:57,800
» Do you have any other questions?
>> Cameron, your thoughts, please.

1575
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:06,720
» Um I think I don't think we would need
to combine them. I mean,

1576
01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:10,760
I agree with everything that was already
stated on kind of

1577
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:15,400
we would have seen, you you economies of
scale if that were the case, um I would

1578
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:19,920
go with the first one.
The two-per one.

1579
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:23,200
» And what about uh
since you're in this business, the

1580
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:26,720
warranties and stuff?
What Bill was bringing up.

1581
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:31,560
» Oh,
I agree with him completely. They're

1582
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:33,960
unlikely to be used. Um
Yeah.

1583
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:37,400
» Okay.
Perfect.

1584
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:41,040
Chad, do you have anything uh
you want to comment on this since part

1585
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:45,312
of this is kind of what you do for a
living?

1586
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:47,960
» Uh I guess my only question was,
>> [snorts]

1587
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:52,640
» you know, adding in another contractor,
I mean, I guess that's the concern with,

1588
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:56,160
you know, now
the project manager has to deal with

1589
01:51:54,000 --> 01:52:00,000
somebody else. Do we have any issues
there or is it the same kind of verbage

1590
01:51:58,120 --> 01:52:05,120
here that they should have bid it if
they C E C wanted it and it is what it

1591
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:05,120
is?

1592
01:52:06,240 --> 01:52:11,440
» Or the
>> Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of times, um

1593
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:14,680
and what we saw when we bid it the first
time was that

1594
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:17,600
and I I don't know with Omni
specifically.

1595
01:52:16,200 --> 01:52:22,440
Um
you know, Communications Engineering

1596
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:27,160
Company is an outfit that does both
audio visual and security.

1597
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,160
Um

1598
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:32,880
Often times, you will have companies
that specialize in audio visual and they

1599
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:36,920
would have had to bring on a
subcontractor anyways to do the

1600
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:39,840
technology or vice versa.
Um

1601
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:43,800
so, I I I I don't think it's uncommon
that you know, you would you would see

1602
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:48,800
separate vendors in these
uh disciplines

1603
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:51,480
on the same site at the same time.
>> Okay. Thanks.

1604
01:52:52,760 --> 01:53:00,160
» Any other questions?
Go ahead, Michael.

1605
01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:05,720
» I don't know if I have a question, but
yeah, I I really don't know. I mean,

1606
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:09,320
having the one company do it sometimes
I mean, the one company do it. Like what

1607
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:12,200
do were saying.
Are there things there, other people

1608
01:53:10,760 --> 01:53:15,320
there, other sub contractors there that
are the

1609
01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:19,640
I don't know if that's worth $3,000 or
>> That's where it's like

1610
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:23,840
It is dealing with one person and not
two people and something happens cuz

1611
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:28,120
they are both contractors.
Hopefully, unless they're two

1612
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:31,920
independent divisions of a company.
I don't know. I don't know.

1613
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:35,680
» Well, I think that last point, we don't
know cuz

1614
01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:39,160
it could be where they're
uh

1615
01:53:37,080 --> 01:53:43,720
the one that we have for audio visual
might be their main and they just are

1616
01:53:41,080 --> 01:53:45,480
subbing, you know, for the bid part. I
don't I don't know.

1617
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:51,000
I
I guess I'm I'm comfortable going with

1618
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:54,320
the lowest unless there's But that is a
the valid point, but it seems like most

1619
01:53:52,840 --> 01:53:57,000
people don't think that's going to be a
problem.

1620
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:02,800
» No one else?
>> Go ahead, Bill.

1621
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:08,880
» I'll make a motion that we approve Omni
Technologies for the Off-Plane Village

1622
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:13,080
of Ball Police Station security package
for $157,223.

1623
01:54:12,120 --> 01:54:16,920
» Second.
>> All right, I have a motion and a second.

1624
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:21,160
Any other discussion, Sarah?
>> I just wondered, is there anything on

1625
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:26,040
like the village's end that having the
two separate companies is going to add

1626
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:28,960
more uh hassle?
>> Well, it should be that this is just an

1627
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:33,600
install.
>> Okay. I mean, we'll have to do like the

1628
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:36,960
like new customer paperwork and kind of
like the onboarding that we had to do

1629
01:54:35,120 --> 01:54:41,000
with CEC already. I'm assuming we'd have
to do that with Omni as well.

1630
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:44,000
Um but I don't know like what to what
extent that might look like for that

1631
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:47,640
company.
Um I guess yeah, the benefit would be

1632
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:50,680
that we're already kind of an
established customer at this point now

1633
01:54:49,320 --> 01:54:53,800
that we've filled out all the paperwork
for CEC.

1634
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:58,600
But
>> But for the $3,000 savings, do you think

1635
01:54:56,160 --> 01:55:03,920
it's reasonable?
>> I I just don't know. Like yeah, I can't

1636
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:09,080
anticipate. I mean, the the other thing
I could think of is

1637
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:14,160
yeah, the extra like extra group on
site. I know things are getting pretty

1638
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:19,200
tight as far as walls getting closed up
as far as like running conduit and

1639
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:22,640
things like that. Um so, like these both
companies are going to have to work

1640
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:26,560
really closely with Brickel Brothers to
get things moving. But, I mean, we don't

1641
01:55:25,240 --> 01:55:33,440
know
we have no way to anticipate how that's

1642
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:33,440
going to look, I guess.

1643
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:40,480
» Carly, I I
excuse the

1644
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:44,160
um unknowing question, I guess, but is
there a local ordinance that allows you

1645
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:48,080
to
take a non-low bid?

1646
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:54,480
» That's what I was wondering.
>> Uh yeah, cuz this is a service. It's not

1647
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:56,640
We follow uh state statute, and then we
have

1648
01:55:55,320 --> 01:56:02,280
» our own purchasing policy.
>> Yeah, purchasing uh policy, and we've

1649
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:04,360
got all of that.
>> So, we do have the option, yeah.

1650
01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:07,680
» Yeah.
But, generally, you want to go with low

1651
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:13,880
bid unless you can come up with a really
good reason. And to me, if there was

1652
01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:18,800
shared server or software, that would be
automatic 3,000. I would definitely do

1653
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:21,840
it to prevent the
pointing of fingers if something doesn't

1654
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:24,480
work.
That for sure would have been a

1655
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:28,280
no-brainer for me.
>> Yeah. Does that change anything for you,

1656
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:35,680
Matt? Like any of
>> No, I just wasn't aware of how you were

1657
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:42,360
going to go about making that uh motion.
Um

1658
01:56:37,400 --> 01:56:42,360
it'll be unusual in my my world, but

1659
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:49,720
» All right. Anything else?
All right. All in favor, say I.

1660
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:51,360
» I.
>> I.

1661
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:55,600
» I.
>> All opposed, say so moved.

1662
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:02,360
» All right. I think you're up next again,
Matt.

1663
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:06,560
» Want me to keep going, Carly? All right,
great. Um

1664
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:11,040
Sounds good. Uh so, we do have change
order number two to present to the board

1665
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:16,920
this evening.
Um

1666
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:21,400
there are three items that comprise this
change order.

1667
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:25,960
Uh the first one is by far away the
largest of the three.

1668
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:29,240
Um so, I will do my best to explain it
and then answer any questions.

1669
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:33,000
Um
so, as

1670
01:57:30,720 --> 01:57:39,080
I assume everyone knows, um during the
design of the project, uh a decision was

1671
01:57:36,120 --> 01:57:44,320
made to um
uh delay installation of an emergency

1672
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:48,640
generator for the project as a cost
savings measure to some point uh in the

1673
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:53,720
future.
And so, the project was designed with

1674
01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:59,440
that future
uh generator reality um you know, sort

1675
01:57:56,800 --> 01:58:03,960
of contemplated. Uh that means that the
spaces um you know, planned for it on

1676
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:08,080
the site, the you know, conduits are run
out to

1677
01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:15,280
um the pad. Um you know, there is space
in the electrical room for the automatic

1678
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:19,680
transfer switch, uh etc. Um in doing so,
um we also

1679
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:23,560
um included in the project a what's
called a docking station.

1680
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:29,280
Uh that is basically, you know, an
umbilical that uh in the event that

1681
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:33,480
well, you don't have a generator, you
find yourselves in a prolonged period of

1682
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:37,600
power outage,
uh and you want to bring a portable

1683
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:42,000
generator onto the site, you can do so,
plug into the building, run the building

1684
01:58:39,400 --> 01:58:48,400
off of that portable generator. Uh the
added secondary benefit of that um

1685
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:53,120
docking station is down the road, once
you do have a generator, if you need to

1686
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:57,360
do some type of maintenance on that
generator or replace that generator and

1687
01:58:55,680 --> 01:59:00,720
again are without the generator for some
period of time, you can use a portable

1688
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:05,240
generator
as a backup for the building.

1689
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:11,120
Um
it's a little bit atypical and so

1690
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:14,600
as the project was designed went through
the shop drawing phase

1691
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:18,120
where the contractor was submitting
their you know sort of you know

1692
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:21,600
schematics for what they were planning
to

1693
01:59:19,160 --> 01:59:25,800
purchase and install
it came to everyone's attention that

1694
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:31,720
there is
sort of a component of

1695
01:59:28,040 --> 01:59:36,120
this that is lacking. So
um

1696
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:43,440
essentially when there is an automatic
transfer switch that is intended to flip

1697
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:48,000
the power from you know your primary
power to your generator or from your

1698
01:59:45,920 --> 01:59:50,960
generator to your
um

1699
01:59:49,480 --> 01:59:55,120
your docking station or portable
generator

1700
01:59:52,160 --> 02:00:00,520
that provides you know the necessary
isolation between the

1701
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:04,080
various power
power sources

1702
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:09,160
because the automatic transfer switch
was planned as a future component along

1703
02:00:07,080 --> 02:00:12,680
with the future generator
we don't have that mechanism for

1704
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:20,880
isolating it and so that needed to be
added to the project. Um so that's

1705
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:20,880
what's the cost here the $29,145

1706
02:00:21,400 --> 02:00:27,360
is to add the component that makes that
sequencing

1707
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:31,920
work.
A couple things that I will mention

1708
02:00:29,600 --> 02:00:35,200
there's really no other way to do it
short of

1709
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:39,200
buying the future transfer switch which
would be

1710
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:43,000
a more uh
significant cost

1711
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:48,400
and you would be paying for this at that
time anyway. So that the same component

1712
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:52,000
is going in now into the panel would be
a component that you would need when you

1713
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:55,920
had that transfer switch.
Uh so it's a little bit of now or then

1714
02:00:54,520 --> 02:01:00,440
uh situation.
The second part is uh when the cost was

1715
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:04,600
originally submitted by Brickel Brothers
um through their electrical contractor,

1716
02:01:03,240 --> 02:01:08,560
uh the cost was actually closer to
$48,000

1717
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:12,760
um and so through meeting with them,
through kind of talking through what it

1718
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:17,720
is that they were
proposing to do, uh we were able to

1719
02:01:15,960 --> 02:01:23,360
um you know, recognize a reduction of
that cost down to the 29 145. So um you

1720
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:29,840
know, we do believe that this is the the
fair value for it. Um it is required to

1721
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:35,400
make uh the emergency power systems work
uh as intended. Uh and so that is why um

1722
02:01:33,480 --> 02:01:39,560
you know, we're asking for this to
to be included

1723
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:43,160
in Brickel Brothers contract.
I'll pause there and answer any

1724
02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:45,960
questions before I move on to the other
two items.

1725
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:57,280
» Well, I I got a question, I guess.
And this is just for the board. Why

1726
02:01:52,800 --> 02:02:04,720
wasn't that put into the original
document since from day one we knew we

1727
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:10,160
were going to need this?
And so, you know, it's been

1728
02:02:07,480 --> 02:02:14,520
on my mind is why wasn't that in there?
It certainly wasn't the village

1729
02:02:13,560 --> 02:02:19,840
uh
neglecting to say what our future plans

1730
02:02:17,160 --> 02:02:24,520
were. I mean, it was from day one
we were planning on doing this. And now

1731
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:29,200
I think it's a little unfair
that we have to add this on because it

1732
02:02:26,760 --> 02:02:34,120
wasn't part of
the original plans which was bidded on.

1733
02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:44,480
» Well, um I mean, that's that's a a fair
question, Jay. Um it it

1734
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:48,840
was not included in the specifications
for the project again

1735
02:02:46,440 --> 02:02:52,880
I think because of the atypical nature
of the configuration

1736
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:56,360
and so it was
something that should have been included

1737
02:02:54,600 --> 02:03:01,600
and should have been
part of Brickel Brothers bids from day

1738
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:06,840
one but it wasn't included in the specs
and so they they didn't have that

1739
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:13,120
covered in their bid and
that's why it's a change order to their

1740
02:03:10,120 --> 02:03:13,120
their contract.

1741
02:03:16,200 --> 02:03:20,080
» So I
I

1742
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:24,760
I'm still I'll I'll be honest with you
man. I'm still because you know, I'm

1743
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:30,520
tolerant for errors. Everybody makes
errors and stuff but there's been a

1744
02:03:27,760 --> 02:03:35,160
number of things that have not and this
is one that's a little frustrating on my

1745
02:03:33,440 --> 02:03:41,720
part because
this was so well documented in our

1746
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:47,480
discussions that we were going to do
this. I just don't

1747
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:51,880
understand why we have to pay 100%
of of this.

1748
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:55,680
Cuz we really
quite frankly have no

1749
02:03:55,720 --> 02:04:02,880
no thing in here that would cause us to
have cause this

1750
02:04:00,040 --> 02:04:02,880
to happen.

1751
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:07,440
» So you should get it for free. Is that
what you're saying?

1752
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:12,120
» Well,
that would be my starting point. Yeah.

1753
02:04:10,280 --> 02:04:17,160
That would be my starting point but
>> Well, let let me say this Jay for the

1754
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:21,000
sake of moving the conversation forward.
Um

1755
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:24,480
whether you think that the village
should be responsible for paying for it

1756
02:04:23,240 --> 02:04:29,640
or not
the reality is that Brickel Brothers is

1757
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:34,600
due this amount
um due to the fact that it was not in

1758
02:04:32,320 --> 02:04:39,720
the specifications. So
I would I guess recommend

1759
02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:44,920
that the change order needs to be
approved in order for the work to get

1760
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:51,000
done, for the project to be completed.
And so, I guess, if there's

1761
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:55,680
you know, other discussions that need to
happen beyond that, I guess, let's let's

1762
02:04:53,880 --> 02:05:00,560
have those conversations, but I don't
think that not approving the change

1763
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:04,800
order to Brickel Brothers is probably
an option that you have.

1764
02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:09,760
» No, and I would that would not be my
option at all. I

1765
02:05:06,440 --> 02:05:12,720
I I agree with your statement 100% and
we certainly can't

1766
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:19,320
do I don't want to have any
responsibility in slowing this project

1767
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:24,280
down at all. I just want you to know
that at least from my perspective

1768
02:05:23,040 --> 02:05:27,360
and
uh

1769
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:32,720
we can approve this with the
understanding and the verbage that it's

1770
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:37,680
under protest and then we can uh have
discussions later on

1771
02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:43,680
on on this. So, I kind of agree with
you, but I just wanted that

1772
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:46,760
you to know that this is at least where
I'm coming from.

1773
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:52,600
And we'll see what the board wants to
do.

1774
02:05:50,240 --> 02:05:57,120
But, I agree with you, we need to
approve it. It's it's needed in the

1775
02:05:55,240 --> 02:06:01,640
building. I don't know if they've
already ordered it. I'm hoping they have

1776
02:05:59,760 --> 02:06:06,800
because I know what these delays are,
but I just want to make it very clear

1777
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:10,680
that we you know, I'm going to ask the
board to do it under protest.

1778
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:19,800
» And just to answer your question, the
we communicated to Brickel that this was

1779
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:24,720
going to be included in an upcoming
change order. Um and so, with that

1780
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:28,480
acknowledgement, um
you know, they did go ahead and release

1781
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:31,640
it as to not cause any delay.
>> Perfect. Thank you.

1782
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:36,960
All right, any other questions on this
one?

1783
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:45,280
All right, why don't you go ahead with
the next two then? Thanks.

1784
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:49,920
» Yep. Um so the second item is um
there's an area in the lower level

1785
02:06:48,720 --> 02:06:53,400
uh in
the toilet room that has a shower in it.

1786
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:58,360
Um
there was some plumbing piping to

1787
02:06:56,560 --> 02:07:04,640
serving the shower
uh that um needed to be routed

1788
02:07:02,160 --> 02:07:09,240
um along uh the port and place concrete
foundation wall could not be obviously

1789
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:14,320
poured or or put into the wall. Uh and
so as a field condition, they had to fur

1790
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:17,920
out that wall
um so that the piping could be concealed

1791
02:07:16,040 --> 02:07:24,000
within in the wall and make the the
toilet room work. Uh that was an add of

1792
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:24,000
$623.79.

1793
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:33,920
And the second item was at the high roof
of the main entry.

1794
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:39,480
Um there's kind of a three-sided parapet
wall along that sort of sloped upper

1795
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:42,320
roof uh that drains to a kind of a
gutter on the fourth side.

1796
02:07:41,720 --> 02:07:45,960
Um
during the

1797
02:07:44,040 --> 02:07:47,880
structural engineering shop drawing
phase,

1798
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:54,080
um
it was discovered or indicated uh that

1799
02:07:51,400 --> 02:08:00,960
they needed to add a little bit of steel
reinforcement or steel kickers

1800
02:07:56,560 --> 02:08:08,960
uh to um add to the rigidity of that uh
assembly. Uh and so that was a

1801
02:08:04,120 --> 02:08:08,960
an add uh in the amount of $835.92.

1802
02:08:14,080 --> 02:08:19,120
Did anybody have any
questions on this?

1803
02:08:25,320 --> 02:08:29,400
All right, Jed, Cameron.

1804
02:08:30,200 --> 02:08:34,400
» None for me.
>> Nope.

1805
02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:41,520
» All right. Do we have a motion?
Would you like me to do it?

1806
02:08:39,480 --> 02:08:45,440
» Maybe he's got it.
>> I make a motion

1807
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:49,200
uh to approve
uh

1808
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:52,000
the change orders.
Uh the It's just change order two.

1809
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:58,280
» Number two.
>> Yeah, change order number two

1810
02:08:54,320 --> 02:09:02,720
with the understanding that the
um

1811
02:08:59,440 --> 02:09:05,520
docking station connection is under
protest.

1812
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:13,240
» I'll second that.
>> I have a motion and a second. Any

1813
02:09:10,360 --> 02:09:13,240
discussion?

1814
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:18,800
All in favor say I.
>> I.

1815
02:09:17,880 --> 02:09:23,800
» I.
>> All opposed say

1816
02:09:21,320 --> 02:09:28,560
So moved.
All right. We will go Thank you, Matt,

1817
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:31,000
for coming to the meeting.
>> Thank you.

1818
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:38,000
» All right.
We are now at discussion and possible

1819
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:43,240
action regarding the 2027
capital improvement uh project. What

1820
02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:45,960
we're going to do is we'll go through
this

1821
02:09:44,560 --> 02:09:50,600
uh
each line

1822
02:09:48,080 --> 02:09:54,360
and um
vote on them indiv-

1823
02:09:52,760 --> 02:10:00,320
individually.
I'll have Bobby to start the process,

1824
02:09:57,160 --> 02:10:06,120
kind of explain
what the red means and

1825
02:10:04,200 --> 02:10:11,120
and what all else you want us to know
before we start this discussion.

1826
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:14,360
» Yeah, so the projects in red um are ones
that are kind of up in the air right

1827
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:18,560
now. The flood mitigation project we
actually got an email today from

1828
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:22,200
Wisconsin Emergency Management.
>> Mhm.

1829
02:10:19,160 --> 02:10:25,880
» Um so this This one where we were
told that there might be additional

1830
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:30,440
grant funding to increase the project.
Um so I think that she said we could go

1831
02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:33,720
ahead and submit something for that. So
again,

1832
02:10:31,480 --> 02:10:36,680
these numbers will likely change before
this is up for vote.

1833
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:41,840
» Right. Can I just comment? When she's
talking about the changing of the

1834
02:10:38,120 --> 02:10:46,800
number, ours will stay the same at 25.
It's the 200,000

1835
02:10:44,920 --> 02:10:49,600
that may go up if Brian's still here. At
least 100,000 if I'm right. Or is it

1836
02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:53,040
200,000?
>> It was 100,000.

1837
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:55,880
» could go up to 300,000.
>> He asked for the full amount.

1838
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:58,080
» Which was
300 or was it

1839
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:01,000
» the total I think he asked for the total
cost of the project.

1840
02:11:01,280 --> 02:11:06,280
He He just sent that email today.
>> Okay, I guess I missed it.

1841
02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:12,320
All right.
But I thought we still had a do a match

1842
02:11:08,760 --> 02:11:15,200
of 25,000. But Well, we can check, but
generally the money that I My

1843
02:11:13,880 --> 02:11:20,240
understanding we were trying to get more
money from FEMA. And uh

1844
02:11:18,240 --> 02:11:23,800
through emergency bill.
>> And then obviously Park Street,

1845
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:27,080
we haven't decided for sure what we're
doing there.

1846
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:30,920
And then I highlighted in red the annual
street resurfacing just in case

1847
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:35,480
you know, depending on what we do with
Park Street, we want to do an additional

1848
02:11:32,440 --> 02:11:35,480
project in that.

1849
02:11:36,080 --> 02:11:39,880
I think that's kind of curious to work
to the

1850
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:44,920
Oh,
and then on the second page, the

1851
02:11:40,920 --> 02:11:44,920
Marshall water infrastructure.

1852
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:50,320
And then, you know,
those

1853
02:11:47,720 --> 02:11:53,400
numbers might change.
Well, you know, on in the wastewater

1854
02:11:51,640 --> 02:11:57,560
treatment, obviously we won't go for
once.

1855
02:11:55,120 --> 02:12:00,600
So we could tentatively approve projects
or just

1856
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:05,080
» Well, I I can tell you what I'll When we
get to the water treatment one, I'll be

1857
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:09,840
asking to postpone that to the first
meeting in November.

1858
02:12:07,480 --> 02:12:14,040
So that way we can get that report and
have time hopefully to uh review it

1859
02:12:12,320 --> 02:12:18,880
weekly. We'll have some
>> And again, approving this CIP plan

1860
02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:22,920
doesn't mean we are doing the projects,
right? It's just

1861
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:25,960
It's a part of plan to do them.
And then they will be put on the budget

1862
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:28,880
and then we can approve or deny them on
the budget again.

1863
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:34,360
» Yeah, they can come up, but I I would
ask that if we approve that means we're

1864
02:12:31,960 --> 02:12:37,920
pretty much in support of it, yeah.
>> But what was she just meaning that we

1865
02:12:36,200 --> 02:12:41,320
approve it?
>> So it's

1866
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:45,280
What what what the What she's saying is
we approve this

1867
02:12:42,920 --> 02:12:49,360
and then when we come time to borrow, if
there's a crisis somewhere and it needs

1868
02:12:47,480 --> 02:12:53,400
to go somewhere else, we can say we're
not going to borrow for this.

1869
02:12:51,640 --> 02:12:56,920
» Oh, so you would mean that?
>> What I mean is if we approve If we

1870
02:12:55,360 --> 02:13:00,640
approve that Whatever we approve
tonight, I put on the capital fund

1871
02:12:59,880 --> 02:13:02,040
budget.
>> Right.

1872
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:06,280
Oh.
>> So then when we approve the capital fund

1873
02:13:03,720 --> 02:13:08,800
budget in November,
you know, something changes, you can

1874
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:10,760
» We can change it.
>> change it in that.

1875
02:13:09,560 --> 02:13:14,280
» Of the capital fund
>> Yeah, but I mean we can change it until

1876
02:13:12,360 --> 02:13:16,280
we actually buy the item.
>> Right.

1877
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:18,600
» No, I I understand.
>> Yeah. Okay.

1878
02:13:17,240 --> 02:13:21,440
» I was just trying to figure out what he
meant.

1879
02:13:19,560 --> 02:13:25,640
» All right, so let's just let's just
start at the top. The flood mitigation.

1880
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:29,320
Everybody's still comfortable with that
commitment of 25,000.

1881
02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:34,360
And if it disappears, that's even
better.

1882
02:13:30,920 --> 02:13:34,360
Any questions on that?

1883
02:13:34,440 --> 02:13:38,680
All right, let's do a motion on it,
please.

1884
02:13:40,480 --> 02:13:47,960
» I motion to approve the
What did he say the year? Just one flood

1885
02:13:45,240 --> 02:13:50,880
mitigation project in 2017.
>> Yeah.

1886
02:13:49,720 --> 02:13:54,960
» I'll second it.
>> All right, a motion and a second. Any

1887
02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:57,520
discussion?
All in favor, say aye.

1888
02:13:57,040 --> 02:14:01,680
» Aye.
>> Aye.

1889
02:13:58,200 --> 02:14:08,400
» All All opposed, same.
All right.

1890
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:08,400
We're at the next one. Replace the 2007

1891
02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:13,160
with used vehicle.

1892
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:18,840
» I didn't know we had a 2007 Dodge
Caravan.

1893
02:14:17,160 --> 02:14:21,040
» It's that maroon one.
>> Yeah.

1894
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:25,600
» It's an old van.
Um currently it's sporadically used for

1895
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:29,600
water meter reading. That's about the
only thing it's used for. I know it

1896
02:14:27,960 --> 02:14:34,400
I'm going to say 3 years ago in the
capital plan Mike had proposed

1897
02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:37,880
trading it in and getting some grant
money for an electric vehicle, but that

1898
02:14:36,240 --> 02:14:40,560
grant money fell through, so we never
did that.

1899
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:43,240
And so it's kind of those things like,
you know, what would you do with it

1900
02:14:41,720 --> 02:14:47,240
again?
And so then we had an idea that we'll go

1901
02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:50,720
to Papa.
>> Well, it's just uh

1902
02:14:49,160 --> 02:14:55,400
you know, sending guys to class, sending
guys to on the east side of Madison for

1903
02:14:53,880 --> 02:14:59,120
water samples, just have a different
vehicle rather than a 2500 or 3500

1904
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:04,680
truck.
You know, um and then Becky can use it.

1905
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:08,520
Uh staff can use it to go to trainings
and just kind of have a

1906
02:15:06,360 --> 02:15:11,400
a normal vehicle rather than these big
trucks driving them.

1907
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:16,360
» Go ahead, Judy.
>> And then like let's say they didn't use

1908
02:15:14,840 --> 02:15:19,760
it, we would just reimburse them on
their If they use their own vehicle,

1909
02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:20,520
that's more reimbursement for their gas.
That's right.

1910
02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:24,160
» Right.
>> Yeah. My question

1911
02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:26,520
» So we would push to use this more used
reliable vehicle

1912
02:15:25,720 --> 02:15:32,120
than a
the minivan that we have.

1913
02:15:28,760 --> 02:15:32,120
» Do you think this could wait a year?

1914
02:15:32,840 --> 02:15:38,680
» The minivan isn't getting used now, so
whether

1915
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:43,760
it's not going to get used if it waits a
year, but we there's an essentially an

1916
02:15:40,720 --> 02:15:43,760
empty spot there.

1917
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:48,920
It would be
ideal to have.

1918
02:15:46,640 --> 02:15:51,840
» So So it isn't Do we have this vehicle
or did it get sold? You said it's not

1919
02:15:50,640 --> 02:15:57,080
being used currently.
>> Uh we took it up to auction because it's

1920
02:15:54,200 --> 02:16:01,320
just wasn't It It It won't hold a
charge. It had some mechanical issues.

1921
02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:03,280
» So we don't really own this. We don't
have it anymore. It's

1922
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:05,080
» Well, that's what you're saying. We
don't have a place. We don't even have

1923
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:08,640
it.
Have it. You want You want You're

1924
02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:10,200
actually asking to buy it.
>> You need a vehicle.

1925
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:13,920
» Yeah.
>> Mhm.

1926
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:13,920
» Okay.

1927
02:16:14,520 --> 02:16:20,560
» And do we know how much you got for the
van?

1928
02:16:17,320 --> 02:16:22,920
» Uh it it hasn't hit auction yet. If we
get a thousand dollars, I'd be

1929
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:25,240
impressed.
>> Good.

1930
02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:30,000
So, what is Becky using
to leave?

1931
02:16:29,120 --> 02:16:32,920
» a personal vehicle.
>> Personal Otherwise, she'll like if

1932
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:38,040
there's a truck available, she'll use
>> She used the blue truck for a while.

1933
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:38,040
» We're not up there.

1934
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:45,840
» And how many miles did we put on that
van when you were there?

1935
02:16:43,719 --> 02:16:48,679
» How close to use?
Uh well,

1936
02:16:46,679 --> 02:16:51,559
» In recent years, not often not much at
all.

1937
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:54,960
» Was that It was Jerry's vehicle.
>> It was uh back in the day.

1938
02:16:52,840 --> 02:16:59,679
» Was that just because of its reliability
or just because it didn't It didn't have

1939
02:16:57,360 --> 02:17:04,880
» We travel to big towns.
We're in Corbet.

1940
02:17:01,480 --> 02:17:07,559
It's only in that park.
>> All right. So, it doesn't sound like it

1941
02:17:06,400 --> 02:17:09,880
was being used that
>> No, it

1942
02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:15,719
» No, it
It had only been being used for Becky to

1943
02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:18,559
do water rounds. But then it got to the
point where every time she shut it off,

1944
02:17:17,559 --> 02:17:22,200
» the battery died.
>> The battery died. We'd have to We'd have

1945
02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:26,559
to go out there and jump it. Just It was
not a safe reliable vehicle that I felt

1946
02:17:24,719 --> 02:17:31,120
comfortable her going in. So, then we
started making sure trucks are available

1947
02:17:29,240 --> 02:17:34,719
or you know, even sending guys, you
know, we even did class up in Green Bay.

1948
02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:38,920
We had to take one of our 3,500 trucks,
you know.

1949
02:17:35,800 --> 02:17:42,480
Ooh, a Silverado 3,500 or 2,500.
That's just not very economical.

1950
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:45,000
» And how often do you go out there to
change it?

1951
02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:48,920
» You know, once twice a year or
>> Um a couple times a year.

1952
02:17:47,080 --> 02:17:54,040
Um they're usually up in Plover for the
water, the sewer. Um water you need 18

1953
02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:57,360
credits every 3 years. And then you got
a sewer that's another 18 credits every

1954
02:17:55,800 --> 02:18:00,360
3 years.
Plus the other

1955
02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:04,280
trips.
>> How How about

1956
02:18:02,000 --> 02:18:09,000
Here's a suggestion.
I would say

1957
02:18:06,599 --> 02:18:13,639
uh we take this off
and we look at what we have at the end

1958
02:18:12,280 --> 02:18:20,679
of the year
to go into the fund balance

1959
02:18:17,400 --> 02:18:24,519
and if we're over our 20%
we can just pay cash using that instead

1960
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:27,639
of
the borrowing of it.

1961
02:18:27,960 --> 02:18:32,920
» So you could like like not put it on the
like on our budget but do like a bunch

1962
02:18:31,719 --> 02:18:38,400
of them then.
>> Yeah, we do we do it we'll see what it

1963
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:42,240
is if we have that extra cash because
that we kind of always use for capital

1964
02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:46,559
this way
again knowing what happens it's not

1965
02:18:44,679 --> 02:18:50,440
necessarily there and it can come back
and you guys can actually come back with

1966
02:18:48,760 --> 02:18:52,920
an actual vehicle saying we'd like to
purchase

1967
02:18:51,559 --> 02:18:56,480
this vehicle. I just think it would
clean things up a little bit and why

1968
02:18:55,240 --> 02:19:00,760
borrow on that.
>> I talked to Dean and just get a rough

1969
02:18:58,400 --> 02:19:04,360
number of what a used used vehicle would
cost and it's once we had an amount I

1970
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:08,480
was going to go to him and say hey can
you keep your eye out

1971
02:19:05,880 --> 02:19:12,760
for this price range.
>> What are people's feelings on that?

1972
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:15,240
» I'm with you on that one. I don't want
to I think we got so many vehicles right

1973
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:16,639
now.
>> Okay.

1974
02:19:15,840 --> 02:19:19,920
» Anyway.
>> I don't want to do it right now either.

1975
02:19:18,360 --> 02:19:23,320
I feel like we can get by with
reimbursement and gas for now. I mean

1976
02:19:21,960 --> 02:19:26,120
they're you know maybe they could do
that for now cuz we don't get paid very

1977
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:28,679
often.
>> Okay.

1978
02:19:27,559 --> 02:19:32,519
Um
do you want us to put this to a vote or

1979
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:34,040
are you comfortable with what is being
said?

1980
02:19:33,440 --> 02:19:39,559
» Yeah, that's
>> All right. Jared and Cameron are you

1981
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:42,400
okay with just pushing this off?
>> Absolutely.

1982
02:19:41,440 --> 02:19:46,599
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1983
02:19:43,719 --> 02:19:52,000
All right. So then we're look at what I
would I'm kind of with what Bobby had

1984
02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:57,040
mentioned earlier. Generally when we do
a large street project we don't do

1985
02:19:56,080 --> 02:20:03,480
uh
the smaller annual street resurfacing.

1986
02:20:00,120 --> 02:20:07,720
So, I'm just going to flip those two.
Let's talk about the Park Street

1987
02:20:05,960 --> 02:20:13,080
reconstruction.
>> One of the things I left out last time,

1988
02:20:11,360 --> 02:20:17,960
just like we did with Creekside Way,
there is some alert money. So, this next

1989
02:20:15,880 --> 02:20:23,080
year we'll have $59,000 to put towards
that. A benefit to splitting that,

1990
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:26,560
whether you do it in one year or not, at
least splitting the names of them into

1991
02:20:24,800 --> 02:20:30,280
the two projects and that will allow me
to go

1992
02:20:27,960 --> 02:20:34,880
This year is another alert year
that I can go and apply for some match

1993
02:20:32,760 --> 02:20:37,800
money for that. What that ends up being
is we'll be up in the air to actually

1994
02:20:36,520 --> 02:20:41,520
show that.
>> So,

1995
02:20:39,240 --> 02:20:45,640
you're saying it would be better than to
for that for looking at that, it would

1996
02:20:43,440 --> 02:20:47,280
be better to split the project than do
it all as once. Is that what I'm

1997
02:20:46,920 --> 02:20:51,400
hearing?
>> Just naming wise. It and

1998
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:54,120
uh
>> Are you talking about the street

1999
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:55,560
resurfacing at Park Street?
>> No, just Park We're talking

2000
02:20:55,040 --> 02:20:59,600
» about Park Street.
>> Okay, we're talking about Park Street.

2001
02:20:57,840 --> 02:21:04,280
» So, it just gives me a chance to apply
for some alert money to put towards

2002
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:08,840
whether it's you can do them all in one
year, it's just it'd be

2003
02:21:06,480 --> 02:21:12,400
named two separate projects.
>> Oh, so okay.

2004
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:19,280
All right, let's have the discussion on
Park Street.

2005
02:21:22,480 --> 02:21:27,000
I know we've already talked about Yeah,
I know it's

2006
02:21:25,480 --> 02:21:30,200
But we didn't I I want to know where
people's heads are and what you're

2007
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:32,000
thinking.
>> With one

2008
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:39,200
» Cuz this is where we're going to decide.
Right now what they're proposing on this

2009
02:21:35,400 --> 02:21:44,040
is a one-year phase one.
Right? That's what's That's what we're

2010
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:47,320
here. So, that's what we're discussing.
So, there if the motion wants to do all,

2011
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:49,040
we're going to have to up that,
obviously.

2012
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:52,640
» I believe that's
>> I want to I want to split it in three

2013
02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:56,560
pieces.
>> Okay, I'm hearing three.

2014
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:59,520
Equals
Go ahead, Michael.

2015
02:21:57,440 --> 02:22:01,960
» I spent a little Excel-ing while we were
having other discussions and

2016
02:22:01,400 --> 02:22:04,440
» You did?
>> No, I did

2017
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:07,000
» I'm glad you did.
>> I noticed like the numbers about

2018
02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:10,280
crossing this project, so I was like,
all right, let's see what

2019
02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:15,080
I can come up with. So, basically, for
the overall cost of the project, if we

2020
02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:17,680
do it
in phase like if Okay, if we do it all

2021
02:22:16,680 --> 02:22:20,600
in 1 year,
>> Yeah.

2022
02:22:18,400 --> 02:22:26,400
» and this is combined general, water, and
sewer total cost. It's about $360,000

2023
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:31,280
of debt. That's doing a 10-year general
obligation loan, and I'm doing 20-year

2024
02:22:28,680 --> 02:22:35,080
safe water, safe and clean water loans
at a reduced interest rate. The general

2025
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:38,400
I did at 4%, the other ones I did at
2.75.

2026
02:22:36,640 --> 02:22:42,760
» Yeah, but why did you do 10-year? Why
won't you do 20 across the board?

2027
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:46,840
» Cuz a lot of times from this to 10 on
>> No, they only do 10 on like cars and

2028
02:22:45,080 --> 02:22:49,520
stuff, right? Most street projects are
all 20.

2029
02:22:47,640 --> 02:22:52,840
» Until recently, you weren't even allowed
to do 20 on your bonds. The village

2030
02:22:51,200 --> 02:22:55,480
wasn't allowed to. That That state law
changed like 2 years ago.

2031
02:22:54,040 --> 02:22:57,960
» Right, yeah. I'm trying to figure out
>> It was It was It was like last year or 2

2032
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:00,200
years ago.
>> Oh, okay.

2033
02:22:58,800 --> 02:23:04,960
» We've always been 10-year general.
That's why I did that. We've only used a

2034
02:23:01,960 --> 02:23:07,520
20 really on the village hall project.
Like when we're taking out our loans,

2035
02:23:06,280 --> 02:23:10,920
that's really the only one we've ever
taken out for longer periods. So, I just

2036
02:23:09,600 --> 02:23:11,960
was using the standard
>> Okay.

2037
02:23:11,360 --> 02:23:14,960
» 10-year.
>> No, that's good. I I just wanted to

2038
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:20,400
understand it.
>> So, basically, it's 360 per year if you

2039
02:23:18,200 --> 02:23:23,800
do it on the 10-year general or the 20
on the others. If you break it out into

2040
02:23:22,440 --> 02:23:28,200
three different phases, it's basically
120, 120, 120.

2041
02:23:26,600 --> 02:23:34,440
Uh if you want breakdowns of specific
things, most of it ends up being on

2042
02:23:30,720 --> 02:23:38,440
general obligation of the project.
I think the total cost in the packet was

2043
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:40,720
like 3 and 1/2 million and 2 million of
that for doing like the whole thing.

2044
02:23:39,960 --> 02:23:43,440
Like we're talking about the whole
project.

2045
02:23:41,840 --> 02:23:47,720
It's 3 and 1/2 million, but 2 million of
it looked like it ended up on general

2046
02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:50,360
because it was that and so on.
Like we did this on general obligation

2047
02:23:49,880 --> 02:23:52,320
» Yep.
>> from how they have it structured.

2048
02:23:51,480 --> 02:23:56,040
» Yep.
>> So that's basically what's you're

2049
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:59,800
looking at. So over 3 years it's going
to be a 120 120 120. So at the end of

2050
02:23:57,920 --> 02:24:04,720
that third year, you're going to be at
the 360 anyway, but you don't want those

2051
02:24:03,520 --> 02:24:07,320
large hits like what you're talking
about. That's basically what's going to

2052
02:24:06,120 --> 02:24:13,720
happen.
So then like now this is where it gets

2053
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:17,760
all funky cuz I don't know like new
assessment values and etc. But there was

2054
02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:22,360
a rule of thumb that I
while ago I was able to use. When the

2055
02:24:19,800 --> 02:24:27,680
village assessed value was like $500
million and you would have a $50,000

2056
02:24:25,080 --> 02:24:32,880
house, basically
because those divided really well, every

2057
02:24:30,200 --> 02:24:38,200
dollar of debt was basically a direct
transfer onto a $500,000 home owner.

2058
02:24:35,800 --> 02:24:41,320
Meaning 120 You had a 120 If you took
out an extra $120,000 of GO debt,

2059
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:45,920
basically said that home owner was
paying an extra $120 that year because

2060
02:24:44,320 --> 02:24:49,560
on a 500
$1,000 house, because the village was

2061
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:53,320
valued at $500 million like all the
zeros just canceled. So you can just

2062
02:24:51,720 --> 02:24:55,960
cancel those.
Does that make sense?

2063
02:24:54,280 --> 02:25:01,440
» Yeah, but I I think that seems high to
me. I think 120

2064
02:24:58,520 --> 02:25:04,960
for each phase is a little high because
I thought

2065
02:25:02,720 --> 02:25:09,000
when we had the chart up there, oh that
was just water.

2066
02:25:05,880 --> 02:25:13,120
» But that's 120 for GO water and sewer.
So

2067
02:25:10,280 --> 02:25:15,720
» I know that would be an increase of $120
on the property taxes.

2068
02:25:14,320 --> 02:25:20,840
» No, that's not what I'm saying.
>> No, that's the amount of loan that has

2069
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:26,280
to be. The village has
The taxpayer has to pay Taxpayer

2070
02:25:23,920 --> 02:25:30,640
have to pay $120,000
a year on GO and increased water and

2071
02:25:28,480 --> 02:25:32,280
sewer rates. That's what that
village

2072
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:35,600
» Did that make sense?
>> Yeah, now now I'm following you.

2073
02:25:33,840 --> 02:25:39,520
» I didn't break it out. I mean I can tell
you like what it is individually like

2074
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:43,200
» No, no, that's I understand now what
you're saying.

2075
02:25:40,040 --> 02:25:43,200
» You know, it's uh uh

2076
02:25:44,320 --> 02:25:51,440
So, these are just rough numbers. It is
what it feels like I'm coming up with.

2077
02:25:49,160 --> 02:25:52,920
Does that feel about right, Bobby? Like
>> 10.

2078
02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:56,680
» Okay.
That's That's like what I think I

2079
02:25:55,040 --> 02:26:01,040
remember. This is just off the cuff.
That's why I didn't have it prepared,

2080
02:25:57,680 --> 02:26:01,040
but that's about like

2081
02:26:01,520 --> 02:26:08,080
what what it feels.
>> Okay, but I I

2082
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:13,600
I'm sorry. I you lost me here. Okay, I
know it's How much What's the impact? I

2083
02:26:10,640 --> 02:26:16,800
guess I'm trying to figure out here.
>> Okay. So,

2084
02:26:17,240 --> 02:26:20,960
Now, this is cuz I don't have the new
assessment stuff.

2085
02:26:19,480 --> 02:26:22,720
» Yeah, I understand that. I I understand
that. And that's one of the things that

2086
02:26:22,520 --> 02:26:26,320
I'm
>> kind of a thing where this is tough

2087
02:26:24,400 --> 02:26:29,160
where I'm just kind of speaking out past
knowledge.

2088
02:26:27,360 --> 02:26:35,080
Okay, if we did
Hart Street in in in phases in three

2089
02:26:31,240 --> 02:26:38,680
phases, I took that as about $675,000
a year for each phase of general

2090
02:26:36,760 --> 02:26:43,720
obligation debt. I'll just speak to
that. 675

2091
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:48,040
loan, 675 loan, 675 loan
in year 1 2 3 because over the 3 years

2092
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:52,600
that's $2 million.
>> Yeah, I'm hearing I'm following you.

2093
02:26:50,200 --> 02:26:58,760
» When you take a $675,000
loan over 10 years at 4%,

2094
02:26:55,360 --> 02:27:04,200
you have paying and it's just a straight
average pay, it worked out to $84,000 a

2095
02:27:01,400 --> 02:27:08,440
year. This is what the
what we have to pay on that

2096
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:11,360
on the 675, but that's just the first
year. Like the next year then that turns

2097
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:16,920
into 160 and then the next year
>> Yeah, yeah, I I'm I'm following.

2098
02:27:13,440 --> 02:27:23,480
» So, in that first year if it's $84,000,
because of that project is $84,000 a

2099
02:27:19,480 --> 02:27:27,320
$500,000 house has to pay $84 extra,
right? So, the next year, I have to pay

2100
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:31,280
160 cuz
>> But now that's just but the next year

2101
02:27:28,960 --> 02:27:35,800
it's only going up $84 and the next year
only $84 versus

2102
02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:41,720
» when you do it all one time, you have
$350 in that first year, but you're not

2103
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:49,080
getting the 5% savings by doing it all.
>> Unless you subtract that 175 over 3

2104
02:27:45,160 --> 02:27:54,400
years using logic, it's 60 under 60,000,
right? So that's what we'd be saving out

2105
02:27:51,400 --> 02:27:59,360
of that 600 and some thousand.
Yeah, 610,000 basically.

2106
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:08,760
» So that was just with the numbers that
>> So then can you if you could quickly

2107
02:28:04,400 --> 02:28:13,840
throw that 610 place the 670 with 6
610 that'll give us the difference on or

2108
02:28:11,440 --> 02:28:17,880
how much really the taxpayer would save.
>> I don't know if I can do that.

2109
02:28:15,160 --> 02:28:22,680
» Oh sure you just throw where it says 670
throw in 610

2110
02:28:20,440 --> 02:28:25,280
and run your spreadsheet it's the same.
>> fight is the 150 so you're wanting to

2111
02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:30,440
win.
>> No, I'm subtracting 60 grand

2112
02:28:28,400 --> 02:28:36,760
from each year because that's what we're
saving. Right, so I want to see from the

2113
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:39,680
$84 it's probably going to go down to
the $82.

2114
02:28:38,480 --> 02:28:42,200
» Yeah.
Both of you.

2115
02:28:40,040 --> 02:28:48,120
» Okay, that's that's that I'm just trying
to point out that the savings when you

2116
02:28:44,920 --> 02:28:53,680
say in a big lump of 175,000
it is a lot you know, dollar wise but

2117
02:28:51,000 --> 02:28:58,560
when you talking about a 3 and 1/2
million dollar project

2118
02:28:56,000 --> 02:29:03,840
it doesn't have that big of an impact.
I'm just I'm not debating the savings. I

2119
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:08,120
just want you to do the numbers because
it's only fair for people because if

2120
02:29:06,200 --> 02:29:12,120
it's 84 and people think oh if we do it
all at once it's going to drop down to

2121
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:17,560
44. That's just not the case.
>> No, it's not going to do that at all.

2122
02:29:15,040 --> 02:29:21,800
» So I'm just I again I like you that you
did that and I appreciate it but we got

2123
02:29:19,480 --> 02:29:24,120
to look at what the other option would
be.

2124
02:29:24,520 --> 02:29:28,160
What are other people's feelings?

2125
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:35,920
» I guess I'd be more for split at least 2
years. That way on the second year it

2126
02:29:34,400 --> 02:29:39,320
gives us a little flexibility if we get
in a tough spot. Brian already did a

2127
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:43,160
safe
drinking water I think for two phases.

2128
02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:47,560
» Um
>> And then September 30th is we can go is

2129
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:50,240
when the sewer one needs to be
submitted.

2130
02:29:48,320 --> 02:29:52,960
» Okay.
>> Take that or

2131
02:29:51,080 --> 02:29:56,040
» No, that could be a problem for my
>> So Sarah, okay. Okay, I got the old down

2132
02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:59,080
bill Sarah.
>> Oh, so

2133
02:29:57,680 --> 02:30:04,600
and this is what I was thinking about in
our earlier discussion is why are we

2134
02:30:02,680 --> 02:30:09,120
Did we already decide on
I know we didn't decide but was three

2135
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:13,240
years kind of like the goal or why
aren't we looking at two years?

2136
02:30:10,920 --> 02:30:19,440
» Well, we did three years for the one
reason of affordability. To spread it

2137
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:24,760
over three years. That was the main
reason for that. Cuz it cuz the

2138
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:31,200
engineering, you know, we paid for
earlier this year for the first phase.

2139
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:35,760
You know, Brian has said earlier that he
they can do the others but yeah, we

2140
02:30:33,560 --> 02:30:40,760
could break it into two but the reason
we did the three years was for

2141
02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:44,320
affordability.
It didn't hit the property taxes as

2142
02:30:43,760 --> 02:30:47,920
hard.
>> That's going to be an issue this year.

2143
02:30:45,960 --> 02:30:52,200
» This thing's going to be
For some people it's going to be a huge

2144
02:30:49,480 --> 02:30:56,560
issue. Others are probably not.
Cuz if you're under that 67% you're

2145
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:58,880
going to be less if everything stays the
same.

2146
02:30:57,200 --> 02:31:02,320
» But they cut me back to 60.
>> Well, I don't know. I don't know.

2147
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:05,120
» Because there's a whole bunch that are
80 and 90%.

2148
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:08,920
» Yeah, I'm 91 so
>> That's crazy.

2149
02:31:06,120 --> 02:31:12,880
» There's people that I'm balancing over
somewhere. And that's what was the first

2150
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:17,600
thing that was a little deceiving
because in the letter it said 62. That's

2151
02:31:15,720 --> 02:31:22,520
community but when I went to open book I
said, "Tell me what the resident one

2152
02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:26,360
is." And it was 67.
>> I want to correct myself. I said I said

2153
02:31:24,360 --> 02:31:30,840
two phases. I meant
He applied for I think, phase one and

2154
02:31:28,320 --> 02:31:33,200
phase two. And then, phase three has not
been applied for yet.

2155
02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:36,200
» Oh, I see what you're saying.
>> Right.

2156
02:31:33,720 --> 02:31:40,160
» So, it would mean we could do 3/4 2/3 of
it, and then give us a little

2157
02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:43,000
flexibility on setting different
other stuff or items.

2158
02:31:43,640 --> 02:31:50,120
» Like if I had my
my phone, put it through this.

2159
02:31:51,440 --> 02:31:55,720
» Sarah?
>> That's what I was thinking too, that I

2160
02:31:53,600 --> 02:31:58,960
think taxpayers want
They want the

2161
02:31:57,160 --> 02:32:05,200
less of a burden. Like I think they
would like the gradual and this year.

2162
02:32:02,320 --> 02:32:09,000
» So, okay, it sounds like there's pretty
much a majority that would go that way.

2163
02:32:06,760 --> 02:32:14,280
The Okay, so then the question is, we're
right back to this.

2164
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:18,840
Do we keep this, or do we want to move
it off a year? And it sounds like may I

2165
02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:22,280
say it's that may potentially be a
$70,000

2166
02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:26,680
cost, but
then again, with Bill and all of us

2167
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:31,440
we're kind of looking at, we just don't
know what this increased assessment and

2168
02:32:29,800 --> 02:32:37,160
school district and everything else is
going to be. And you saw tonight

2169
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:41,120
our Villa Char is going to cost us more
than we thought.

2170
02:32:39,160 --> 02:32:44,760
This phase we just
what we just saw tonight

2171
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:48,320
with, you know, the little
the

2172
02:32:45,360 --> 02:32:51,760
audio, the AV, and the security that's
way over what we originally

2173
02:32:50,560 --> 02:32:53,960
planned.
>> Judy?

2174
02:32:52,520 --> 02:32:57,280
» I would be okay with pushing back a
year. You okay with that?

2175
02:32:56,400 --> 02:33:00,280
» I'm okay.
>> It is

2176
02:32:58,520 --> 02:33:02,040
obviously not my first choice or second
or third choice, but

2177
02:33:01,600 --> 02:33:07,840
» Yeah, yeah.
>> I mean, you I get there's only so much

2178
02:33:04,200 --> 02:33:11,200
money to go around, and I I would like
with all the additions that we've added

2179
02:33:09,640 --> 02:33:15,320
to the sewer plan, it'd be nice that we
were at least

2180
02:33:12,360 --> 02:33:17,600
doing one phase and working towards help
correcting that development.

2181
02:33:16,840 --> 02:33:22,360
» Sarah?
>> I would be for starting now, so that we

2182
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:25,960
could have that nice gradual step up,
versus if they started it next year then

2183
02:33:24,000 --> 02:33:28,320
we're like, oh, we should do two phases.
>> Oh, you're worried about the same thing.

2184
02:33:27,440 --> 02:33:32,640
» Yeah.
>> Bobby, as the finance director, you're

2185
02:33:31,080 --> 02:33:35,160
going to have to
help us out here. What are your

2186
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:40,440
thoughts?
>> I I do like the three years.

2187
02:33:37,720 --> 02:33:44,840
Um I guess
thinking of the tip coming off.

2188
02:33:47,000 --> 02:33:52,520
» So, you're but I I guess the I think I
think the the most of us are agreeing

2189
02:33:51,560 --> 02:33:56,600
with the three years.
>> Yeah, this is the

2190
02:33:54,080 --> 02:34:01,800
cuz your 127 is 127.
>> Yeah, what are and you got a better

2191
02:33:59,000 --> 02:34:01,800
idea.

2192
02:34:02,120 --> 02:34:08,560
I
I don't know what's been coming in for

2193
02:34:05,640 --> 02:34:13,800
staff and everything.
>> So, I is

2194
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:18,720
the water portion of it.
And doing our full rate case with all

2195
02:34:16,240 --> 02:34:23,760
the other water infrastructure.
Like if we would actually have to do two

2196
02:34:20,760 --> 02:34:28,240
rate cases if they just
pay for this debt.

2197
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:34,160
You know, so if we
Just the you know, the do you want to

2198
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:36,920
all the projects on one rate case rather
than doing rate cases two years in a

2199
02:34:35,760 --> 02:34:41,640
row.
>> Well, I think we're going to probably

2200
02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:46,480
get tied with that if you look at the
our earlier discussion.

2201
02:34:43,800 --> 02:34:52,360
I think there's no next year we're going
to have to put in the thinnest pipe.

2202
02:34:48,840 --> 02:34:57,400
There's absolutely no way around that.
Right? I mean, we heard

2203
02:34:54,520 --> 02:35:01,720
You heard that and if we want to keep
Park Street next year, that's going to

2204
02:34:59,440 --> 02:35:07,720
be in it. So, you're already looking at
those two projects that I don't believe

2205
02:35:05,160 --> 02:35:11,680
the water brings in enough even with the
discounted loan on the one.

2206
02:35:10,600 --> 02:35:15,640
But again, we're going to have to do it
now. I don't think the revenue is there

2207
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:20,400
to cover that.
>> So, that's what I'm wondering. that

2208
02:35:16,760 --> 02:35:25,480
» Cuz we're at and we were at a 0.49,
you know, and it's supposed to be 1.1.

2209
02:35:22,280 --> 02:35:29,560
So, we're already way behind on what
hell was

2210
02:35:26,400 --> 02:35:32,000
» The 3% increase rate case today to get
didn't get filed today.

2211
02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:33,320
» Yeah, but I I
>> Is that

2212
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:37,720
» The bigger one.
>> that? I Again, not knowing the exact

2213
02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:42,520
numbers on that, is that going to bring
us up over one

2214
02:35:40,080 --> 02:35:49,360
on that ratio?
See, that That's That's my worry

2215
02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:54,360
on this, but I don't see there's any way
around unless the numbers are I'm

2216
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:59,160
missing something because of that
painting maybe

2217
02:35:56,440 --> 02:36:04,680
did something that doesn't I just don't
know how

2218
02:36:01,360 --> 02:36:09,120
we can pay with the current rate for the
finish. And if we're going to go for

2219
02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:12,800
finish, we might as well go for
>> year one in 2027 to combine it with the

2220
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:16,680
finish.
>> Well, if

2221
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:22,120
But, if the group and once we get that
report, if we can get Park Street to be

2222
02:36:19,680 --> 02:36:24,760
paid by sewer, then we don't have to
worry about water rate.

2223
02:36:24,120 --> 02:36:27,840
You know,
>> I thought about that.

2224
02:36:25,760 --> 02:36:32,640
» You know, and that is an option that
we've seriously got to look at, but we

2225
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:37,640
can't seriously look at until we get
that report um from it. But, like I

2226
02:36:35,560 --> 02:36:43,840
mentioned earlier, though, in my
opinion, the sewer utility is very well

2227
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:50,040
financed right now.
Um and again, we'll see what they have

2228
02:36:47,080 --> 02:36:53,880
as a layout on the timing, and I think
we can actually time that out.

2229
02:36:54,920 --> 02:36:58,360
Bill.
>> So,

2230
02:36:57,120 --> 02:37:03,400
can we
in concept approve this as a three-phase

2231
02:37:01,080 --> 02:37:06,960
starting in '27,
and then

2232
02:37:04,680 --> 02:37:10,720
as that sewer report comes out in 2
months,

2233
02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:14,920
then will we look at the budget, So,
kind of make a decision?

2234
02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:20,280
» We can do it that way or what we can do
is postpone this to the first meeting in

2235
02:37:17,520 --> 02:37:26,000
November where we would have it
and then cuz we'll approve the budget in

2236
02:37:22,440 --> 02:37:28,560
the second meeting in November.
That might be a cleaner way of doing

2237
02:37:27,600 --> 02:37:33,520
that.
That

2238
02:37:30,440 --> 02:37:38,280
might be a cleaner way of doing it
because then now we're not rescinding

2239
02:37:36,200 --> 02:37:41,520
something that we passed.
this item to the first meeting in

2240
02:37:40,120 --> 02:37:46,920
November.
>> I'm fine with that.

2241
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:51,200
» Bonnie, are you okay with that?
Matt?

2242
02:37:48,400 --> 02:37:51,200
» Yeah, that's

2243
02:37:51,480 --> 02:37:55,160
» All right.
I'll make that motion.

2244
02:37:54,440 --> 02:37:58,600
» I'll
make the motion that we

2245
02:37:57,280 --> 02:38:05,320
that we
postpone the Park Street reconstruction

2246
02:38:01,760 --> 02:38:10,000
until the first meeting in November.
>> I'll second it.

2247
02:38:08,040 --> 02:38:13,520
» I have a motion
and a second. Can someone look that up

2248
02:38:11,920 --> 02:38:16,400
for me so I can
>> What date for

2249
02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:22,800
November, we're going to be there 9th
and the 23rd.

2250
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:25,600
» Okay, the 9th, so
>> Yeah.

2251
02:38:23,640 --> 02:38:31,800
» Yeah, the 23rd. Okay.
All right, I have a motion and a second.

2252
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:31,800
Any more discussion on this?

2253
02:38:32,960 --> 02:38:38,040
All in favor, say I.
>> I.

2254
02:38:35,880 --> 02:38:41,600
» All opposed.
So moved.

2255
02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:46,160
All right, then let's go Do we want to
do the same thing with

2256
02:38:43,640 --> 02:38:49,360
Annual Street Resurfacing?
>> Well, I had a I had a thought on this.

2257
02:38:48,240 --> 02:38:53,000
» Okay.
>> Um,

2258
02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:56,000
we have things to do. Well, but if we
postpone

2259
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:58,960
Park Street for a year, then I think
we've got money to do the street

2260
02:38:57,480 --> 02:39:03,680
resurfacing and
we've always said in the past we try not

2261
02:39:02,040 --> 02:39:08,800
to
postpone resurfacing too much because

2262
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:11,720
then we get behind in the resurfacing,
right? So,

2263
02:39:12,600 --> 02:39:17,840
uh I
However, with that being said, I think

2264
02:39:16,120 --> 02:39:22,000
we postpone
2027. If we If we knew we were doing

2265
02:39:20,400 --> 02:39:26,120
Park Street and finish, we would
definitely I would definitely

2266
02:39:23,640 --> 02:39:27,800
postpone. So, maybe we hold off on this
>> Okay.

2267
02:39:26,560 --> 02:39:32,040
» until November.
>> Yeah, we have done both. Like when we

2268
02:39:29,280 --> 02:39:33,600
did Brewery and Church, we did not do
the annual surface.

2269
02:39:33,000 --> 02:39:34,680
» Right.
>> Yeah.

2270
02:39:34,080 --> 02:39:36,480
» No.
>> And we did

2271
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:38,840
» did it this year, too, with Katie.
>> Mhm.

2272
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:42,400
» We We did Myrick Street.
>> Well, that was That was 60,000.

2273
02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:44,840
» Oh.
>> Okay.

2274
02:39:46,480 --> 02:39:50,640
» All right.
>> that Sorry, but then that means it's 2

2275
02:39:48,560 --> 02:39:52,920
years that we're postponing then and
then we

2276
02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:55,840
» Yeah.
Yeah.

2277
02:39:54,040 --> 02:39:59,520
» Do you feel like there's any major road
right now that needs it?

2278
02:39:57,240 --> 02:40:02,920
» London is really bad.
Uh that needed to be done.

2279
02:40:01,440 --> 02:40:06,720
So, if
if Park Street gets postponed, that

2280
02:40:05,720 --> 02:40:09,880
infra-
So,

2281
02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:13,400
over the last 10 years, we've done a lot
of resurfacing, not a lot of I mean, I

2282
02:40:11,920 --> 02:40:17,200
know P was done and Main Street was
done, but a lot of

2283
02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:22,120
infrastructure is aging underneath. But
London, the infrastructure is actually

2284
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:25,480
pretty good, just the road itself is not
doing great. Um there wasn't good

2285
02:40:23,720 --> 02:40:28,440
compaction when they ran the lateral, so
a lot of the curb has sunk. So, it'll

2286
02:40:27,720 --> 02:40:30,840
need
new

2287
02:40:29,480 --> 02:40:35,440
replacement. And
I don't think 250,000 is going to do it

2288
02:40:32,440 --> 02:40:40,000
all, but it'd be a really good start.
>> If we do Park Street in 3 years, so then

2289
02:40:37,520 --> 02:40:42,520
are we doing like no road projects for 4
years then?

2290
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:45,160
» No, I I wouldn't say that. No, I would
say we would do it. If we did it all at

2291
02:40:44,440 --> 02:40:46,800
once,
>> Then not

2292
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:48,640
» you know, I kind of look at how many
blocks it's going to be.

2293
02:40:48,200 --> 02:40:52,480
» Yeah.
>> You know, if you do Park Street in 3,

2294
02:40:50,800 --> 02:40:54,240
you're talking about two, three blocks a
month.

2295
02:40:53,320 --> 02:40:59,080
So, I I would say
>> I just I like us moving forward on

2296
02:40:57,080 --> 02:41:03,840
A Road and the three phases of Park
Street and London are probably the four

2297
02:41:01,160 --> 02:41:03,840
most important.

2298
02:41:05,320 --> 02:41:08,000
» How's this case?

2299
02:41:08,560 --> 02:41:13,760
» What was so wrong with
This is so bulky.

2300
02:41:16,160 --> 02:41:23,240
» I'm just going to make a motion that we
approve the part that we approve the

2301
02:41:20,360 --> 02:41:26,480
annual street resurfacing
for 2027.

2302
02:41:24,880 --> 02:41:31,760
» Okay, I'll second it.
>> I have a motion and a second, any

2303
02:41:29,000 --> 02:41:37,200
discussion? I'm going to go along with
this, but if we make a change in the

2304
02:41:34,640 --> 02:41:39,920
first week of November, I'll probably
make a change in the capital in the

2305
02:41:39,320 --> 02:41:42,080
second.
>> I'm fine with that.

2306
02:41:40,840 --> 02:41:45,800
» Okay.
I just want to so there's no

2307
02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:47,880
misunderstanding on where I'm coming
from.

2308
02:41:46,320 --> 02:41:51,520
» No.
>> Can I have a reread of the motion?

2309
02:41:51,640 --> 02:41:58,720
» Yeah, that we approve the annual street
resurfacing for 2027.

2310
02:41:56,400 --> 02:41:58,720
» Okay.

2311
02:41:59,000 --> 02:42:03,360
» All right, I have motion and a second,
all in favor say I.

2312
02:42:02,920 --> 02:42:06,880
» I.
>> I.

2313
02:42:04,640 --> 02:42:12,640
All opposed same.
So moved.

2314
02:42:08,680 --> 02:42:15,160
All right, we're down to the 2024 skid
steer.

2315
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:26,040
» Um this is on a two-year replacement,
well we were a year late getting the one

2316
02:42:23,400 --> 02:42:29,960
last time. So now it's just kicked to
this year.

2317
02:42:27,680 --> 02:42:33,320
» I seem last I thought the last time was
only like 19,000.

2318
02:42:32,120 --> 02:42:35,640
Are we getting a bigger one or
something?

2319
02:42:33,880 --> 02:42:39,640
» Uh it is a little bit bigger, well we
we've had issues with

2320
02:42:37,560 --> 02:42:43,640
lifting things and
um

2321
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:47,440
salt's heavy, yard waste is heavy, main
break stuff's heavy, so it's just we

2322
02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:50,680
have other and traditionally we were
smaller a little bit smaller before, so

2323
02:42:49,840 --> 02:42:54,160
it was a lot of you going on the
sidewalks. Now we have two or three of

2324
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:58,240
them machines that are able to go on
sidewalks, so

2325
02:42:55,360 --> 02:43:03,480
and we have more multi-pass now that are
going to be instead of 4 or 5 ft.

2326
02:43:01,800 --> 02:43:06,680
» Do you feel like if we get a bigger one
this year then we can push it out? We

2327
02:43:05,280 --> 02:43:11,200
don't have to do it every 2 years or 3
>> Um I Did I leave it every 2 or I thought

2328
02:43:09,680 --> 02:43:13,640
I moved it to every 4?
>> Oh, you left it at every 2.

2329
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:18,240
» Did I?
>> Yeah, and I think that's because of the

2330
02:43:15,280 --> 02:43:24,000
warranty. At least that's what Jerry's
thing that you keep you you keep it

2331
02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:28,080
until the warranty is almost all you
trade it in and then you just are paying

2332
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:32,640
instead of getting that in and all of a
sudden because that was been a

2333
02:43:29,880 --> 02:43:36,120
discussion many times of just keeping it
until you wear it out but then what are

2334
02:43:34,600 --> 02:43:37,400
they about a quarter of a million bucks
now?

2335
02:43:36,680 --> 02:43:40,920
» What?
>> A skid steer if you bought it

2336
02:43:40,040 --> 02:43:44,720
outright?
>> No, they're like 70 70

2337
02:43:42,960 --> 02:43:48,440
» Oh.
70?

2338
02:43:47,280 --> 02:43:52,560
I don't
I thought it was 35,000.

2339
02:43:50,400 --> 02:43:56,480
» Cuz we get about 25,000 30 for trade.
>> Yeah, I know but why wouldn't we want to

2340
02:43:54,120 --> 02:44:00,000
keep it until it didn't work? Cuz
>> I I

2341
02:43:57,880 --> 02:44:04,400
So my mistake, I think on my fleet plan
that I gave you guys a few months ago, I

2342
02:44:01,960 --> 02:44:07,920
think I moved it to 4 years. I don't
know if I moved this to 4 years but we

2343
02:44:06,440 --> 02:44:10,480
kind of
Scott and I kind of talked and said that

2344
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:14,240
we should
>> So do it 27 but then not again till 20

2345
02:44:12,800 --> 02:44:19,440
» 31.
>> Okay, if the skid steer the life of it

2346
02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:22,880
is 4 years, right?
Or is it probably longer than that?

2347
02:44:21,080 --> 02:44:25,800
» Yeah, much longer. Yeah, but we we put a
lot of hours

2348
02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:30,920
» Yeah, but let's say it's you wear it
down in 8 years. It still would be

2349
02:44:28,080 --> 02:44:34,360
cheaper to buy a new one than to pay
this extra

2350
02:44:32,440 --> 02:44:38,400
trade in at 35 grand.
>> It's also the cost of being down

2351
02:44:36,360 --> 02:44:42,160
downtime for
any major maintenance maintenance is

2352
02:44:40,480 --> 02:44:44,080
down.
>> I think

2353
02:44:43,400 --> 02:44:48,640
Well.
>> Yeah, that's sort of my question. Do you

2354
02:44:50,120 --> 02:44:55,280
What Do we need to augment our old skid
steer policy guess? Like what you were

2355
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:58,800
saying with the two year because like I
remember it was like Jerry saying like

2356
02:44:56,760 --> 02:45:01,320
the warranty is only three years old, so
you're trading it with another year on

2357
02:44:59,960 --> 02:45:05,560
the warranty because you get more for
the trade-in but overall what we're

2358
02:45:02,680 --> 02:45:09,040
doing it do you think that policy still
be done? Because if we go to four years

2359
02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:12,720
then it's like falling off warranty and
then it's the trade-in like I mean it's

2360
02:45:11,320 --> 02:45:14,440
» It's definitely just going to only go
down in value.

2361
02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:20,720
» Right.
>> Um and we put around four or five

2362
02:45:18,840 --> 02:45:25,160
hundred dollars on it a year. So it it
gets a lot of use. It's one of our

2363
02:45:22,760 --> 02:45:30,920
biggest use machine.
>> Yeah and see I like I say I I

2364
02:45:27,960 --> 02:45:35,200
it made sense when it was 19,000 because
I'm thinking then you're basically

2365
02:45:33,080 --> 02:45:38,800
renting a brand new one for eight grand
eight

2366
02:45:36,080 --> 02:45:44,640
eight thou 8,500 a year which is dirt
cheap. But now that it's getting to

2367
02:45:41,480 --> 02:45:48,760
almost half the cost of a brand new one
it just seems to me that we're at that

2368
02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:51,080
tipping point where it can
>> Well that's why I was suggesting a the

2369
02:45:50,680 --> 02:45:54,720
four year.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2370
02:45:53,280 --> 02:45:59,520
» I think just
how many hours is a useful life for a

2371
02:45:57,680 --> 02:46:02,120
skid steer before it starts to have
issues? Do you know that at all? Or

2372
02:46:01,040 --> 02:46:07,280
» Okay, is that okay? Well then
>> It really depends how you use it and we

2373
02:46:04,760 --> 02:46:09,680
we put a lot of road miles on it. That's
that's not necessarily the greatest

2374
02:46:08,560 --> 02:46:12,000
thing for it.
>> Cuz you're driving it to where you're

2375
02:46:11,240 --> 02:46:19,120
using it you mean?
>> Yeah and you know doing brush is it gets

2376
02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:19,120
used for all the time.

2377
02:46:20,600 --> 02:46:26,280
» Oh no.
>> Yeah this has always been just a weird

2378
02:46:24,120 --> 02:46:30,680
» You know what? I I guess
I I think this is something that maybe

2379
02:46:28,960 --> 02:46:36,360
finance could look at. I think we go
ahead cuz we can't wait. But I would

2380
02:46:33,160 --> 02:46:43,840
really now that it's getting up there
in cost I think we really should do a

2381
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:50,120
cost analysis. Cuz if there's 70 grand
I mean it just seems It's for me to

2382
02:46:47,520 --> 02:46:53,480
you know, kick in 35,000 for just 2
years.

2383
02:46:52,520 --> 02:46:56,320
» I think it should be in there.
>> It'd be four.

2384
02:46:54,880 --> 02:47:01,000
Well,
I I know that's where we're going and

2385
02:46:58,200 --> 02:47:05,880
then we'll see, but what I'm hearing is
yeah, we're not going to get it it's

2386
02:47:03,400 --> 02:47:10,680
going to cost us more in 4 years because
it's 4 years old versus 2 years old for

2387
02:47:08,440 --> 02:47:12,360
the trade-in. So, your trade-in is last
so it's

2388
02:47:11,160 --> 02:47:14,960
» So, is it is it like like is our
trade-in going to be 10 grand versus if

2389
02:47:13,800 --> 02:47:18,880
we're going to be buying a new one
anyway? And why don't we just keep the

2390
02:47:16,800 --> 02:47:21,840
one that we have if we're getting hardly
anything on the trade-in?

2391
02:47:20,040 --> 02:47:23,800
» And it has been a good machine and we
haven't had a lot of issues with it.

2392
02:47:23,040 --> 02:47:27,920
That might be
>> See, that's why the whole two-year

2393
02:47:25,320 --> 02:47:33,880
cycling might have to be more of a
math-based decision if it's trade-in or

2394
02:47:30,520 --> 02:47:38,160
not like idea rather
>> I think we need to do a cost analysis on

2395
02:47:36,320 --> 02:47:42,960
it, I guess. That's what I That's all
I'm saying. I I And that we're not going

2396
02:47:40,320 --> 02:47:47,560
to do that tonight, but I do think this
is one thing that we really should look

2397
02:47:45,440 --> 02:47:50,920
at.
Cuz when it was 19,000, it was a

2398
02:47:49,160 --> 02:47:53,240
no-brainer, but I thought they were over
100 grand.

2399
02:47:51,800 --> 02:47:57,440
» But now I'm going to
like okay, cuz you said taking the

2400
02:47:54,800 --> 02:48:00,600
finance. If we don't know how long one
of these is going to last because we

2401
02:47:59,160 --> 02:48:04,160
don't know how much it's going to be
worth in the year you're doing your

2402
02:48:02,160 --> 02:48:06,000
longevity cost analysis on it, it's just
all projection.

2403
02:48:05,160 --> 02:48:08,480
» No, cuz
>> I mean, you have

2404
02:48:06,520 --> 02:48:13,520
» a machine right now. I can look at the
miles and the hours put on this machine

2405
02:48:11,160 --> 02:48:18,360
and kind of calculate what it is per
year.

2406
02:48:15,120 --> 02:48:20,280
I mean, we have a a pilot right now.
>> Right, but the question

2407
02:48:19,160 --> 02:48:23,000
» And then we're going to have a second
one.

2408
02:48:20,600 --> 02:48:26,440
» But the whole thing is is this machine
that we talked about two Is it 2 years

2409
02:48:25,320 --> 02:48:30,960
or 3 years or what?
>> Jan- December will be 2 years.

2410
02:48:29,080 --> 02:48:36,400
» So, in December it's 2 years, but and so
we So, we're saying whether we use 500

2411
02:48:33,440 --> 02:48:37,560
miles a year on it.
You don't know if it's going to last

2412
02:48:37,320 --> 02:48:41,840
another year.
>> I don't Let's not get into how to do it.

2413
02:48:40,040 --> 02:48:47,360
» I I I think it it is it is a little more
this year because I'm I want to go to

2414
02:48:44,400 --> 02:48:51,640
the big bigger machine. So, that cost
should even back out.

2415
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:54,880
» Like I said, I don't want to do that
tonight.

2416
02:48:53,200 --> 02:48:59,320
There's an easy way of doing it. People
do it all the time on costing what it

2417
02:48:57,000 --> 02:49:03,200
costs of a machine, a car is. You can go
to Consumer Report on everything. It'll

2418
02:49:01,480 --> 02:49:08,280
tell you how much it's going to cost you
on average. So, but anyways, the

2419
02:49:05,240 --> 02:49:12,480
question is do we want to and I guess
because we're going

2420
02:49:10,120 --> 02:49:16,000
with the larger one, I'm
I'm going to

2421
02:49:13,800 --> 02:49:20,920
approve it cuz
just on the point that if they need them

2422
02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:24,800
a bigger one. Even though I see it's
only

2423
02:49:21,880 --> 02:49:28,960
a priority of four.
>> I'm going to make a motion to approve

2424
02:49:26,520 --> 02:49:32,600
the replacement of the 2024 skid steer
in 2027.

2425
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:35,600
» I'll second it.
>> I have a motion and a second. Any

2426
02:49:34,400 --> 02:49:39,280
discussion?
>> Wait, just ask

2427
02:49:37,520 --> 02:49:42,320
So, why did you put it as a priority
four?

2428
02:49:40,360 --> 02:49:45,880
» Because I only adjusted the amount, not
the priority.

2429
02:49:43,960 --> 02:49:49,920
Cuz this was already typically in here.
It was already in there.

2430
02:49:47,840 --> 02:49:54,600
So, that's That was my mistake.
>> Okay.

2431
02:49:51,320 --> 02:49:57,920
» And you got to this $35,000 by calling
down there and asking how much it is?

2432
02:49:55,520 --> 02:50:01,040
» Yep, I got the trade-in values and price
list from dealers.

2433
02:49:58,840 --> 02:50:03,640
» So, that's what Yeah, but
the old one is fine.

2434
02:50:04,520 --> 02:50:08,200
» Okay.
>> All right.

2435
02:50:08,640 --> 02:50:12,320
All in favor say I.
>> I.

2436
02:50:11,360 --> 02:50:15,760
» I.
>> I.

2437
02:50:13,080 --> 02:50:18,600
» All opposed say
So moved.

2438
02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:28,080
All right. 2027 replacement of the 2004
leaf vacuum.

2439
02:50:26,440 --> 02:50:29,440
» I thought we just replaced this a couple
of years ago.

2440
02:50:28,920 --> 02:50:34,480
» No.
>> We can't have it a couple of We bought

2441
02:50:31,080 --> 02:50:39,560
that from Minnesota for $17,000
on a year ago.

2442
02:50:35,480 --> 02:50:39,560
» Yeah, it was on the pilot program.