1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:13,620 I'm going to call the planning committee committee. Council order on October 27, 2025, 7 p.m. Let's start with the roll call vote. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:34,120 Brazil, here, Gamble, here, Finnegan, Steinfeld, here, Swanson, Wardman, city administrator, honey. Plaining and setting administrator. I can't read my writing, Monson, here, right? I know, I just can't read it, Monson, yeah. Okay. And Council Liaison, how are you? 3 00:00:45,410 --> 00:00:50,730 I have a request to amend the agenda for item number 5.1. 4 00:00:53,310 --> 00:00:58,250 So as you recall, there was an ADU that was applied for as a variance of that that was 5 00:00:58,250 --> 00:01:05,350 previously proved as an interim use permit and then there was a lawsuit in what came out 6 00:01:05,350 --> 00:01:10,430 that was the judge had asked the applicant to reapply for an inter-emuse permit instead 7 00:01:10,430 --> 00:01:16,590 of proceeding with the variance application. So in anticipation of that, the zoning administrator 8 00:01:16,590 --> 00:01:24,090 and the city attorney reviewed the code language for some cleanup stuff and some things related 9 00:01:24,090 --> 00:01:33,790 to the to accessory dwelling units. And I had some discussions earlier today and the recommendation 10 00:01:33,790 --> 00:01:39,390 is for this to go to city council first before it's reviewed by the planning commission and have the city council 11 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:46,870 determine if they want any code amendments. So I would last for someone to make a motion to remove this agenda item 12 00:01:46,870 --> 00:01:53,550 for tonight and then city council can discuss this at their next meeting and then they can come back if they want 13 00:01:53,550 --> 00:01:59,690 direct planning to review the the code amendments. Is that item 5? 5.1? 14 00:01:59,890 --> 00:02:08,070 Yes. I'll move to remove item 5.1 from the agenda so that the City Council can review 15 00:02:08,070 --> 00:02:23,530 it first before we're asked to give our news on it. I'll second that. Okay we'll do 16 00:02:23,530 --> 00:02:25,330 Gamble. Yes. And again. 17 00:02:33,270 --> 00:02:34,430 Recommended it. 18 00:02:37,030 --> 00:02:43,050 No, the city attorney. Okay. Um, then yes. 19 00:02:44,410 --> 00:02:55,250 Okay. Yeah. It's time to help. Yes. All right. Passes six or six. Thank you. All right. 20 00:02:55,330 --> 00:02:57,050 The minutes for the last meeting. 21 00:03:00,490 --> 00:03:03,830 Edit. If not, it's going to be in the motion. 22 00:03:06,750 --> 00:03:07,670 I approve the minutes. 23 00:03:08,430 --> 00:03:09,870 I can move to approve the minutes. 24 00:03:10,010 --> 00:03:10,370 Second. 25 00:03:11,050 --> 00:03:12,170 Susan, did you find any? 26 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:13,030 Okay. 27 00:03:13,170 --> 00:03:13,630 We always see them. 28 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:14,910 They were running past me. 29 00:03:15,350 --> 00:03:15,730 Oh, well. 30 00:03:16,210 --> 00:03:16,950 One of us. 31 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:17,970 Okay. 32 00:03:18,290 --> 00:03:19,190 We have a new system. 33 00:03:19,190 --> 00:03:19,890 We have a new system. 34 00:03:20,030 --> 00:03:21,090 I do it on in the thing. 35 00:03:21,210 --> 00:03:21,850 It's a lesson there. 36 00:03:22,030 --> 00:03:22,530 I'm not aware. 37 00:03:24,010 --> 00:03:24,370 Okay. 38 00:03:24,590 --> 00:03:28,610 So, there's a motion to approve the minutes as presented. 39 00:03:29,350 --> 00:03:29,890 Resilie A. 40 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:30,710 Gamble. 41 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:31,290 Yes. 42 00:03:31,590 --> 00:03:31,810 And again. 43 00:03:32,210 --> 00:03:32,490 Yes. 44 00:03:32,730 --> 00:03:33,070 Time to open. 45 00:03:33,230 --> 00:03:33,370 Yes. 46 00:03:33,370 --> 00:03:35,110 once in. Yes, workman. Yes. 47 00:03:35,470 --> 00:03:36,450 Passed six of six. 48 00:03:39,950 --> 00:03:41,310 Now we go to 49 00:03:42,130 --> 00:03:42,890 hold business. 50 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:47,550 Tree production ordinance update in the work group. 51 00:03:47,650 --> 00:03:49,690 Scott, would you like to update or you want me to? 52 00:03:50,430 --> 00:03:53,210 I did bring a hold-up IDs notes. 53 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:53,810 Yeah. 54 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:54,970 Which way? I'm going to go. 55 00:03:55,590 --> 00:03:56,010 What's that going? 56 00:03:57,650 --> 00:04:00,590 So I'm going to go public hearing this. Is 5.1 or 2? 57 00:04:00,830 --> 00:04:01,370 Yeah. Right. 58 00:04:03,250 --> 00:04:04,950 Yeah, we're 5.1s off. 59 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:17,320 Okay, so on the tree protection, I just pull the nuts up, we're going to see if we don't have anything on that in the packet. 60 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,580 No. Oh wait, yeah, there was no notes. 61 00:04:21,420 --> 00:04:23,240 Oh, it's in case 14 of 19. 62 00:04:23,500 --> 00:04:31,380 Yeah, so the group's been meeting and to remind you we're basically trying to simplify this. 63 00:04:31,500 --> 00:04:36,100 It's not user-friendly at all. If you're a resident trying to figure out where to look, it's very confusing. 64 00:04:36,100 --> 00:04:39,840 even the process of editing it, I found it confusing. 65 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:42,640 But I did finally get it down. 66 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:48,080 So the worker has met on, and we briefed you, you know, 67 00:04:48,220 --> 00:04:51,600 on some of the recommendations based on feedback from residents 68 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,460 and our research. 69 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,680 And so what we're doing now is trying to get those into the code 70 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:58,800 and simplify it. 71 00:04:59,220 --> 00:05:02,360 And so I spent a lot of time doing a red line version 72 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,280 similar to what we did for the DNR projects. 73 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:05,540 projects and 74 00:05:07,180 --> 00:05:14,320 What we're the the nice thing about it is that there's a table and it's based on a table of the city's been using and 75 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:21,000 We made some changes to it in the meeting, but it'll be a lot easier for someone to say here's my issue 76 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,300 I have a dead tree and it's not protected and so here's what I look enough. I'm it's require 77 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:33,860 So we talked a bit for that we're moving some of the sections the chapter reads kind of like a many ordinance 78 00:05:33,860 --> 00:05:41,560 It has a historical section, it has definitions, and it has enforcement, and it has language 79 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:47,020 on nuisance and how nuisance situations are handled. 80 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:55,720 The nuisance is covered in the City Code section 508 we learned, and so we'll be moving nuisance 81 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:03,840 to the City Code, or not moving in there, but- 82 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:08,780 We're looking at the details on new scents and whether we'd want to recommend any edits 83 00:06:08,780 --> 00:06:14,120 to the city code, which would have to go to the city council, and we'll have this 84 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,840 for you at the next meeting. 85 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:22,840 The historical sections go in the front of the code, the enforcement is going to the enforcement, 86 00:06:23,260 --> 00:06:26,680 so it cleans up the section a lot, so that's kind of the second big thing. 87 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:37,590 And the third thing is we're just looking at the 75-foot lake set back and make sure we 88 00:06:37,590 --> 00:06:39,530 handle that well with these changes. 89 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,780 So where we are now is there's a list of things that I have to update and we'll have them 90 00:06:47,780 --> 00:06:51,620 ready for the next meeting so we'll be going through a lot of details in the next meeting. 91 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,440 So playing for a little more time. 92 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,340 We'll send a redline version. 93 00:06:56,380 --> 00:07:03,960 Well, we actually, the red line, it's so much changed, the red line is really hard to understand, you know, because so many things moved. 94 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:16,360 So what we're preparing is a summary of kind of the changes that be for you or for city council so that they'll be able to absorb, you know, the draft. 95 00:07:16,820 --> 00:07:22,040 So we'll have a summary of changes we're recommending, the workers recommending 96 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:27,520 planning or bringing to planning and planning if you know with changes 97 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,320 at planning would recommend to City Council. There'll be a summary of these 98 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:34,340 things as well as the old code and the new code to read. 99 00:07:38,660 --> 00:07:39,360 So we're getting close to 100 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:39,580 the 101 00:07:42,910 --> 00:07:46,590 foundation on this, hopefully the next meeting. Any questions? 102 00:07:50,700 --> 00:07:55,000 I so I build would be so that being phase two, as you're calling it phase one, 103 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,260 those technical changes this phase two, then there's at phase three of how we engage residents on a 104 00:08:01,260 --> 00:08:07,640 positive way around trees and that's where we partnered with parks. So we have that meeting that's 105 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:14,740 doing. We have that session. It's in parks hand now. I think they meet November 18th. That's 106 00:08:14,740 --> 00:08:19,920 the first time they're going to kind of work it themselves and then they're planning on going back to 107 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,100 City Council probably February, probably June. 108 00:08:30,190 --> 00:08:32,230 Any other questions on that one? 109 00:08:36,370 --> 00:08:38,090 Okay, the next item, 110 00:08:38,370 --> 00:08:41,750 62, Project Less Priority Recommendation to City Council. 111 00:08:42,530 --> 00:08:43,830 How do you help us on that one? 112 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:44,450 Yeah. 113 00:08:45,210 --> 00:08:45,470 Please. 114 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:49,930 So I have a memo in your packet. 115 00:08:52,850 --> 00:08:55,770 I thought of this when we had a discussion last time, 116 00:08:55,770 --> 00:09:01,370 if the planning commissions that they should review and make a recommendation if we should 117 00:09:01,370 --> 00:09:02,930 regulate short-term rentals or not. 118 00:09:04,950 --> 00:09:12,330 So when I looked at that and planning commission, once they wanted council to direct you to 119 00:09:12,330 --> 00:09:15,930 look at that, I was thinking about there are some other things that are still kind of hanging 120 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:16,470 out there. 121 00:09:17,210 --> 00:09:24,170 One of them was home occupations when the cannabis legislation came about and we looked at the 122 00:09:24,170 --> 00:09:28,250 home occupation section of the code and thought it's really out of date so 123 00:09:28,250 --> 00:09:31,270 that's one thing. It's kind of reminding you of what's on your list and that 124 00:09:31,270 --> 00:09:35,490 is getting an idea of what you think your capacity is because these things 125 00:09:35,490 --> 00:09:40,770 always take longer than we think that they're going to take. So that was there. I 126 00:09:40,770 --> 00:09:47,670 think landscaping is still a section of the... Yeah, a through a stall. Yeah, grating and then there's 127 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:56,750 There's the grading where you can bring in fill to raise the ground level whenever you're 128 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:57,910 building a home. 129 00:09:58,570 --> 00:10:00,890 That's kind of been on the list for a long time. 130 00:10:01,730 --> 00:10:08,170 And then we've had questions of if, and this is a question for council because it hasn't 131 00:10:08,170 --> 00:10:11,290 come past them yet, if they think that we should regulate fences or not. 132 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:14,090 So I want to make a fence. 133 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:23,870 We don't permit issue permits for fences, but they are required to follow the setbacks 134 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:25,530 and the other standards. 135 00:10:26,070 --> 00:10:28,930 There's a bunch of standards in the code, so yeah, I said that wrong. 136 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:33,550 We do regulate them, but there's been some thought maybe it would be easier if we 137 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:37,330 should permits for them because then we can ensure that people are following. 138 00:10:38,770 --> 00:10:44,270 Well I'm not aware of any, it's kind of more when it's been brought up, I haven't seen 139 00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:50,470 any issues but you know people are just concerned to make sure everyone's doing incorrectly. 140 00:10:51,790 --> 00:11:00,150 So anyway those were the items that I could think of that were on our list and also including 141 00:11:00,150 --> 00:11:04,810 that Evan had pulled together some information on short term rentals just to give you, just 142 00:11:04,810 --> 00:11:08,110 to get you to start thinking about how that's regulated 143 00:11:08,110 --> 00:11:10,870 in other cities or how it possibly could be regulated. 144 00:11:11,190 --> 00:11:15,090 So I don't know what order of importance 145 00:11:15,090 --> 00:11:18,750 you think these are, or if the next thing, 146 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:21,050 what short-term rentals, if you want to do that first, 147 00:11:21,170 --> 00:11:22,970 or if you want to look kind of at the list, 148 00:11:23,230 --> 00:11:25,690 and if you think there's other things that we need to do, 149 00:11:25,870 --> 00:11:27,590 and we have to start working on the COT plan 150 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:30,610 starting next year, because it's doing two years. 151 00:11:32,690 --> 00:11:39,190 28, right? So I don't know if you want to think about it. I guess the other thing is we 152 00:11:39,190 --> 00:11:44,910 were wanting to go through the chapters of the code. Yeah. You want at least one a year 153 00:11:44,910 --> 00:11:51,490 to try to make a more user friendly and clear. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So I guess the question, when 154 00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:57,830 you think about the DNR work we do, I wonder, we felt like the tree ordinance needed the most 155 00:11:57,830 --> 00:12:02,850 help. What chapter do we think we would move to after that? 156 00:12:11,540 --> 00:12:14,480 One one way to look at it is what are 157 00:12:15,220 --> 00:12:20,880 residents trying to look at, yeah, most because that's where we really need to make it clear for it's 158 00:12:32,530 --> 00:12:38,110 true. Yes, actually I'm gonna change what I said because if we have an empty chapter which we do 159 00:12:38,110 --> 00:12:41,810 it's still placeholder we should probably do that before we start cycling through the 160 00:12:43,590 --> 00:12:48,090 Yeah, so I would put landscaping and grading ahead of moving for other sections, I guess. 161 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,380 Short-term rentals does strike me as... 162 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:58,640 No, I agree. 163 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,840 Or it gets out of hand. 164 00:13:02,220 --> 00:13:02,400 Yeah. 165 00:13:04,460 --> 00:13:06,680 So, how do you, we need to... 166 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:10,400 Do we recommend the list or recommend a priority with the list? 167 00:13:14,620 --> 00:13:16,300 It'd be better to give a priority if we... 168 00:13:16,300 --> 00:13:16,440 Yeah. 169 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:17,380 Yeah, okay. 170 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:19,380 So... 171 00:13:19,380 --> 00:13:22,100 So, is landscaping and grading just a rewrite? 172 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:23,980 No, there's an empty chapter. 173 00:13:26,260 --> 00:13:37,240 There's something in there on a shoreland. The shoreland rules don't allow certain grading, but that's within 75 feet. 174 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:47,540 The thing that we've gotten complaints on are people building up lots, you know, 10 feet and blocking views and that's behind the shoreland area. 175 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:51,760 It 176 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:00,500 seems like one and two from, I think based on all our conversations, the short-term 177 00:14:00,500 --> 00:14:08,300 Reynolds and the 8.3 filling out that chapter seem clearly about the other two in my mind, 178 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:11,430 which one? 179 00:14:11,430 --> 00:14:17,110 under two being, let's just enumerate the permits for fences and home occupations. 180 00:14:17,810 --> 00:14:20,490 And then this current plan, right? 181 00:14:21,010 --> 00:14:23,870 Well, I'm so sure what there is to do on the current plan about this year. 182 00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:25,990 I just want to down your radar. 183 00:14:26,650 --> 00:14:27,590 Revis as needed. 184 00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:29,610 Well, let's think about that aside. 185 00:14:30,510 --> 00:14:34,690 I just wanted to be on your radar that in 2026 we need to start working on it. 186 00:14:34,830 --> 00:14:38,370 We'll have to have some directive from council because they might say 187 00:14:38,370 --> 00:14:45,710 We pretty much like the way it is from how we did it 10 years ago, or they might say we 188 00:14:45,710 --> 00:14:50,650 really need some significant changes, and I don't know what that'll turn into, maybe 189 00:14:50,650 --> 00:14:57,330 with some other work groups or surveys, or I don't know. 190 00:14:57,330 --> 00:14:59,910 and home occupation strikes me as. 191 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:26,210 So the city attorney was the one who suggested that we look at the home occupation and in dealing 192 00:15:26,210 --> 00:15:31,930 with the Canada's legislation and that when you looked at it you looked at it like you know 193 00:15:31,930 --> 00:15:36,930 it maybe it's not an issue for this to do with it don't you from the state you know are 194 00:15:36,930 --> 00:15:41,870 just all cannabis yeah I don't think you can that's what you do it out of your home I think there's 195 00:15:41,870 --> 00:15:45,590 a lot of requirements so I think that's what I'm saying I think that was what we were talking about 196 00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:50,230 it's like why do we need to regulate it when it's already regulated by the state purpose specifically 197 00:15:51,850 --> 00:15:56,950 Well, I think it's a broader issue, which was on residential, and so in today's, there's 198 00:15:56,950 --> 00:16:02,870 like, you know, we don't allow commercial, but there are occupations that haven't been 199 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:03,570 explicitly there. 200 00:16:03,570 --> 00:16:10,940 It's worth investigating whether you, according to the state statutes, whether you can sell 201 00:16:10,940 --> 00:16:11,860 it out of your home. 202 00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:12,180 Yeah. 203 00:16:12,340 --> 00:16:13,600 I have no problem looking at that. 204 00:16:13,980 --> 00:16:20,140 But I'm going to have somebody at least look at the requirements and it seems like a pretty 205 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,760 I don't think people can sell out all over their home, which I love you and think you wouldn't think. 206 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,520 We did have a city attorney and he had recommended some language. 207 00:16:29,700 --> 00:16:34,640 When you looked at that, then you looked at the whole section and said it's really out of date, because it did refer to that. 208 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:35,800 Yeah, I don't think this is about cannabis. 209 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,860 The cannabis thing brought up the fact that I like Russian sections. 210 00:16:39,300 --> 00:16:43,860 Right, but it refer to bar shops and no business that, you know. 211 00:16:43,860 --> 00:16:52,020 My general feeling is that you shouldn't necessarily put in things that are already regulated as opposed to things that you don't. 212 00:16:52,020 --> 00:16:55,720 That aren't regulated that you don't want to have here, so I'm getting at, you know, 213 00:16:55,780 --> 00:17:01,520 there's lots of things you probably can't sell from your home, probably fireworks or something that are probably regulated. 214 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,980 I don't know if you're sure, but I've got to believe there are other dangers that probably can't sell guns from your home. 215 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:13,800 if you can. I shouldn't say in this country you never know but I'm just saying 216 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:18,660 that there's definitely regulated things that it seems to be going to load 217 00:17:18,660 --> 00:17:23,780 your your code up with all these things you can't do that already taken care of. 218 00:17:24,380 --> 00:17:30,700 I guess I go back to my previous point which was you know fine let's look at it but 219 00:17:30,700 --> 00:17:38,860 I don't, I wouldn't put it as a high priority and I think we can dispense with it in fairly short 220 00:17:38,860 --> 00:17:44,500 order. So I don't know if we need to worry about whether it's on the list or not. 221 00:17:44,540 --> 00:17:48,980 No, I think that the home short term rental is a thing that seems to be 222 00:17:49,540 --> 00:17:54,040 percolating all around the lake and just like the tree ordinance, I think it's 223 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,880 important for us to be there with the other people. 224 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,140 Why do you like the more trouble you have? 225 00:17:58,740 --> 00:17:58,960 I'm sorry. 226 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,520 The longer you like the more trouble you have. 227 00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:02,380 You don't want to be the one who doesn't have to do that. 228 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:05,620 I know it's going back on people who are already doing it. 229 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:05,860 Exactly. 230 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,840 Okay, so who wants you just moving to this informally, 231 00:18:11,940 --> 00:18:14,460 what would your number one priority be? 232 00:18:14,780 --> 00:18:16,480 Scott, number one priority? 233 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,000 I think the short-term rentals. 234 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:18,900 And what would you two be? 235 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:22,640 I don't think I'm close enough to the other two, 236 00:18:22,780 --> 00:18:25,280 but everything you're talking about in landscape and green, 237 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,780 whole occupation feels like yeah okay I get around to doing that but I don't 238 00:18:29,780 --> 00:18:36,100 worry you're talking to me landscaping would be one would probably be number one 239 00:18:36,100 --> 00:18:37,140 okay and 240 00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:45,570 then maybe then I'm kind of in different between okay 241 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:53,510 okay yeah all right yeah well I'm sorry short-term rental and then I would say 242 00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:58,670 the landscaping, because if it sounds like it could be an issue with this rating, we should 243 00:18:58,670 --> 00:19:00,470 definitely want to get that taken care of. 244 00:19:00,610 --> 00:19:01,630 Just more as you would want to see. 245 00:19:01,730 --> 00:19:02,050 Kind of the same. 246 00:19:02,250 --> 00:19:03,190 Short term, Randall. 247 00:19:03,390 --> 00:19:03,970 Randall's number one. 248 00:19:03,970 --> 00:19:04,250 Maybe one. 249 00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:06,170 I'm rating and failing number two. 250 00:19:06,650 --> 00:19:06,830 Okay. 251 00:19:07,370 --> 00:19:07,690 Probably. 252 00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:10,650 I guess I think the same thing. 253 00:19:11,010 --> 00:19:12,670 Randall and short term, Randall's. 254 00:19:12,850 --> 00:19:13,230 Sorry. 255 00:19:14,590 --> 00:19:14,950 Yeah. 256 00:19:16,350 --> 00:19:17,690 And landscaping too. 257 00:19:18,930 --> 00:19:19,190 Okay. 258 00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:29,570 What would you think about recommending short-term rentals is also pretty quick. 259 00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:32,210 It's landscaping and grading to be a lot more involved. 260 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:37,390 What do you think about giving priority of one for short-term rentals, two for landscaping 261 00:19:37,390 --> 00:19:37,890 and grading? 262 00:19:39,230 --> 00:19:44,850 Probably put a three simultaneous with two is probably starting to work on the comprehensive 263 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:47,130 plan whenever we get feedback from City Council. 264 00:19:47,650 --> 00:19:50,870 That would probably, but let's put that three for now, but it could change. 265 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:54,410 I would put fences ahead of home occupation. 266 00:19:55,870 --> 00:19:56,150 Okay. 267 00:19:56,450 --> 00:19:59,530 So between fences and home occupation, what do you put first, Scott? 268 00:20:02,060 --> 00:20:02,720 I'll pass on. 269 00:20:02,900 --> 00:20:03,380 I don't know. 270 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:06,120 Where are the issues in there? 271 00:20:06,660 --> 00:20:07,620 Probably fences. 272 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:08,120 Okay. 273 00:20:09,180 --> 00:20:15,100 The community would have more of an opinion on them than whatever way of home occupation is going on right now. 274 00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:33,170 I just said home occupation over fences, but I don't feel super strongly about it, so I'm not going to stand up and 275 00:20:33,170 --> 00:20:36,570 I would assume fences is a very quick turn. 276 00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:37,730 I would think so. 277 00:20:39,050 --> 00:20:47,190 Well, that's kind of nice. We have kind of medium, hard, maybe easy. I don't know, home occupation is probably easy. 278 00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:53,650 we got the compound plan coming in there. If we were thinking about 26, when do you think 279 00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:58,470 we would start to hear something, if we have 26 and 27 to work on the compound plan 280 00:20:58,470 --> 00:21:01,570 or any changes, and usually they're not a lot, usually. 281 00:21:02,350 --> 00:21:08,050 Right, unless the city council says they want us to do it all over from scratch, I can't 282 00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:12,590 imagine that's going to be that big. It's a long document, it is to read. 283 00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:15,830 And why don't we suggest that's probably three? 284 00:21:16,450 --> 00:21:19,210 Because it's part of what we're updating it to more modern. 285 00:21:19,810 --> 00:21:22,110 Yeah, there's some discussion around encouraging, 286 00:21:22,530 --> 00:21:27,190 like the only thing I've heard is when we were talking about the parts work. 287 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:36,370 One idea, Joe mentioned that we really don't cover like more modern things like 288 00:21:37,290 --> 00:21:43,170 environmental, like wing-courage recycling, or composting, or other kind of 289 00:21:43,170 --> 00:21:48,510 modern things that if you look at the spirit of the COMP plan might be 290 00:21:48,510 --> 00:21:54,970 included. So I think it's relatively... I mean yeah I think the general feedback is 291 00:21:54,970 --> 00:21:59,230 that the city likes its guiding principles of the type of character that this 292 00:21:59,230 --> 00:22:03,930 community is and wants to maintain the character that we have but yeah there are 293 00:22:03,930 --> 00:22:06,310 are some things that need to be updated, I'm sure. 294 00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:09,150 And even though the comp plan is a very long document, 295 00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:11,630 the actual comp plan is not huge. 296 00:22:11,630 --> 00:22:15,730 It's all the appendixes, which a lot of some of those 297 00:22:15,730 --> 00:22:18,870 are done by our engineers, so that's what it follows. 298 00:22:19,670 --> 00:22:22,910 But I think the comp plan should stay on the test of time 299 00:22:22,910 --> 00:22:27,250 with minor tweaks, but I agree that it's probably some updating 300 00:22:27,250 --> 00:22:30,290 we can do, but please accept it. 301 00:22:30,670 --> 00:22:32,270 Is that about infrastructure? 302 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:39,080 sure everything's like road maintenance and there's I don't think it into 303 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:44,120 the maintenance but there's changes to it yeah there's a section on how often 304 00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:49,620 they repay and do things they don't get into that much detail but you could 305 00:22:49,620 --> 00:22:53,880 always put a maintenance schedule you know as an appendix right yeah feel like a 306 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,100 capital improvement planner like a schedule when you want to do maintenance or 307 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:01,600 like what the city should be doing you could reference or include that in there 308 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,160 But you don't have to get into the things you're going to say we have to do each road every year. 309 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,500 I was just saying the same thing. 310 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,180 I always say before the December meeting, everybody just read the comp plan. 311 00:23:14,460 --> 00:23:16,840 So is that available on the website? 312 00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:18,480 It's on the website. 313 00:23:19,740 --> 00:23:21,180 And we're reviewing it. 314 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,360 What do we want to? 315 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:28,540 In December, let's, why don't we make a agenda item where we're going to 316 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:39,360 provide thoughts on where the component, I think one issue is like with the world changing 317 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:44,360 is there any kind of new things that might be built into the comp plan? 318 00:23:44,420 --> 00:23:46,020 Modifications are additions. 319 00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:52,300 Yes, modifications are additions and then other second thing would just be your thoughts on the comp plan 320 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:56,280 and how well we're, you know, what you see us doing. 321 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,480 That's what the how about those two things we can just have a little discussion on that 322 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:07,240 Okay, so the one would be any modifications or additions and the two would be 323 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:10,520 How are we living into it? Is that sound good? 324 00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:12,620 Any gaps? 325 00:24:14,650 --> 00:24:20,150 Okay, let's schedule that for the December meeting. So you put that on the agenda. Hi. Yeah. Thank you 326 00:24:20,150 --> 00:24:25,190 Okay, so what yes your hog so we think about priorities for next year 327 00:24:25,870 --> 00:24:31,850 Would we do these sequentially or would you parallel some of them like if you had an easy to meeting or something? 328 00:24:32,050 --> 00:24:32,130 Yeah 329 00:24:32,610 --> 00:24:36,870 Maybe that was too small to use because it's like fences and dirt on the windows or something 330 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,560 It's a good question. What do you guys think? 331 00:24:44,210 --> 00:24:46,270 Yeah, you wouldn't want to take out two bigs, right? 332 00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:49,670 Like short-term levels could turn into a can of worms. 333 00:24:51,330 --> 00:24:55,630 I'm kind of inclined to do them one after another, but I'm not. 334 00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:58,210 Well that's kind of the default, but if you guys want to try to parallel 335 00:24:58,210 --> 00:25:07,810 All we could. I think we have to have a discussion of the planning we need to see how big of a deal it is and how much consensus there is and how deep we need to dive before you can 336 00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:10,250 Okay, no exactly 337 00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:15,010 Yeah, I'm just more curious. That's a good question. I'm having a point of view on it 338 00:25:16,530 --> 00:25:18,670 I guess you know, we've been doing one thing at a time 339 00:25:18,670 --> 00:25:20,570 But we don't be been doing big things 340 00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:25,010 Yeah, and they tend to drag on sometimes we think don't do two things, but some of these might be easier 341 00:25:25,010 --> 00:25:31,550 We can kind of play it by ear maybe as we get into them. So these are our priorities for 26, right? 342 00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:35,150 You can go 26 and 26 and 27. 343 00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:36,030 26, 27. 344 00:25:36,270 --> 00:25:40,750 The remaining months of 25, we can try to sort that out. 345 00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:42,850 Well, I actually stand. 346 00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:43,990 And we want to stand them. 347 00:25:44,430 --> 00:25:47,190 Yeah, I mean, the less something rolling on locks, I wouldn't... 348 00:25:47,810 --> 00:25:49,470 It would be hard to see us getting past 349 00:25:50,630 --> 00:26:01,930 8.3 and short-term rentals and COMPLAN work in 26 right yeah so it's 350 00:26:01,930 --> 00:26:07,730 sounding like we're we're saying to recommend the list short-term rentals first 351 00:26:08,510 --> 00:26:15,310 section chapter 8-3 which is blank landscaping and grading three place 352 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:23,850 older for comp plan, tune up, and then four was fences and five was home occupations. 353 00:26:26,030 --> 00:26:28,410 That's what I'm hearing you say, is that sound right? 354 00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:38,430 So if we make a motion to suggest that priority, and I think we could say to that we'll do them 355 00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:43,030 in series unless we find we have capacity to do any parallel. 356 00:26:43,710 --> 00:26:49,810 Right, and keep in mind that like the short term rentals, the request, and I don't know 357 00:26:49,810 --> 00:26:53,850 if council would make it more definitive, was for you to do research and decide if it's 358 00:26:53,850 --> 00:26:55,210 something that you should regulate or not. 359 00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:55,530 Right. 360 00:26:56,110 --> 00:27:00,470 So it wasn't to come forth with all your recommendations on regulations or a reg. 361 00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:03,730 Well yeah, that one could end if we said no, we don't think we should regulate it. 362 00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:06,030 If we do, though, I would include it in that priority. 363 00:27:06,210 --> 00:27:10,790 Yeah, and I think just, yeah, and the same would be with fences, because it's 364 00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:15,830 - 365 00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:22,200 that priority list. I can't make a motion. I can't make a motion. I can't make a motion. 366 00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:29,740 I think we said like that. You should be. If you want. Upcoming year the planning commission. 367 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:42,160 Can we say to 2627? 2627 planning commission priorities be one short term, examining short term 368 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:54,540 levels to the grading and filling section of the code which is currently blank or basically 369 00:27:54,540 --> 00:28:09,620 like a three and evaluating the comprehensive plan for evaluating whether fencing needs 370 00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:18,260 needs to be permitted, and five, looking at the evaluating the whole occupation section 371 00:28:18,260 --> 00:28:18,820 of the code. 372 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,880 I think that's good. 373 00:28:21,980 --> 00:28:25,180 What do you think about, and the comp plan, Heidi, should we add, after receiving, you 374 00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:31,560 know, feedback for our direction from city council, because we kind of want them to, aren't 375 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,840 there supposed to be a person that? 376 00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:35,120 Do we go first? 377 00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:36,120 Do they go first on their own? 378 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,520 You were tasked with it, but I would think it would be good if you had guidance from them, 379 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,440 so you don't go in a direction that they're really not thinking. 380 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,280 So you said, are you okay with that, Amanda? 381 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:48,500 Yes, you just... 382 00:28:48,500 --> 00:28:50,700 After a direction, you have some counsel, okay. 383 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,020 Can you read back to us when you're ready, Heidi? 384 00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:05,600 I don't know exactly how you started it, because I caught on it from 2026 to 2027, the planning 385 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,820 Commission priorities with the number one examine short term rental is number two grading and filling section 386 00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:20,040 Which is 8.3 8.3. Yeah number three evaluating the complaint after direction from city council number four 387 00:29:21,060 --> 00:29:26,720 Evaluating whether fences need to be permitted and number five evaluating home occupations section of code 388 00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:35,270 I think the intro was fine wasn't you said? I just I just mentioned that our priorities for is that he started? 389 00:29:35,790 --> 00:29:36,270 Second. 390 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:42,920 Okay. 391 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,580 Either way. 392 00:29:44,740 --> 00:29:45,620 Brazil, yes. 393 00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:46,600 Gamble? 394 00:29:46,860 --> 00:29:47,040 Yes. 395 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:47,620 Finnegan? 396 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,380 Yes. 397 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:48,880 Time fell? 398 00:29:49,060 --> 00:29:49,200 Yes. 399 00:29:49,660 --> 00:29:50,020 Swanson? 400 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:50,420 Yes. 401 00:29:50,820 --> 00:29:51,200 Wartman? 402 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:51,620 Yes. 403 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,040 Okay. 404 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,000 That's a six or six. 405 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,300 Thanks. 406 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,440 That's a question. 407 00:29:55,900 --> 00:29:56,060 Yes. 408 00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:59,920 So on this cop plan, we're coming back to sound. 409 00:30:02,030 --> 00:30:13,390 So there might be something there with that in any way, something we take back to city council when we ask for guidance. Yeah, I think that may be a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, 410 00:30:15,450 --> 00:30:32,010 we gave it back to them. We can catch on our discussion. Or even minutes, right? How would we do that? Just minute the discussion. You think Jennifer? I mean, you committed the discussion and I give you the summary. Yeah, it'll end up being on our agenda. 411 00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:33,650 objective list, council's objective list. 412 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:37,250 It'll be plotted in there, but it starts with planning. 413 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:39,370 That's why I wanted to start it now. 414 00:30:41,270 --> 00:30:42,190 Okay, good. 415 00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:45,050 Anything else on that before I move to the next thing? 416 00:30:47,390 --> 00:30:48,530 Seven, one, chair, or four? 417 00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:49,730 I have nothing. 418 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:52,030 Nothing, two, four. 419 00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:54,130 Any commissioner reports? 420 00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:57,470 Council liaison, how are some of them? 421 00:30:58,090 --> 00:31:01,150 We had our meeting on October 6th. 422 00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:06,810 water and treatment plant is coming along well. They've finished with well number three and 423 00:31:06,810 --> 00:31:10,630 well number four. All the drilling is complete. It's so quiet. 424 00:31:12,990 --> 00:31:15,050 You must be happy about that. 425 00:31:16,130 --> 00:31:22,270 It didn't mind it. It was kind of like just a background noise. So they're working on the exterior 426 00:31:22,270 --> 00:31:29,190 finishes and they're onto the interior work. We're working on still trying to figure out finances, 427 00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:34,150 speaking of which we are on the Senate funding tour of the bus stop so they're 428 00:31:34,150 --> 00:31:42,170 stopping in Minnetake Beach on October 30th so hopefully. What does that look like? 429 00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:47,290 So they stop at each community kind of the tour so there's multiple communities 430 00:31:47,290 --> 00:31:51,310 and you think we get 15 minutes right? 15 minutes to kind of present our case 431 00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:56,430 and gravel. They're coming to the water to go to the water. 432 00:31:57,050 --> 00:32:01,210 Public works, water treatment plants, and state centers. 433 00:32:04,750 --> 00:32:07,370 I think just state centers, right, Heidi? 434 00:32:09,950 --> 00:32:12,650 Yeah, the representatives is another tour. 435 00:32:12,910 --> 00:32:16,750 And actually, that one is November 13th. 436 00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:19,830 and we have five minutes to present for that 437 00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:22,550 and that's the Chanhas and Rex Center. 438 00:32:22,750 --> 00:32:25,550 So we'll all be in a line with our five minutes, 439 00:32:25,790 --> 00:32:27,970 probably, okay, oh boy, yeah. 440 00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:32,530 And who meets them, who represents Minotone Beach? 441 00:32:32,750 --> 00:32:32,930 Joe. 442 00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:35,030 Yeah, a lot of council is gonna be there. 443 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:36,030 Okay, good, yeah. 444 00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:37,550 Thank you for doing it. 445 00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:39,990 Yeah, Joe will do the presentation 446 00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:41,850 and Alan Offerman, the city engineer, 447 00:32:41,850 --> 00:32:42,950 will also be presenting. 448 00:32:43,870 --> 00:32:45,290 And we've been working. 449 00:32:45,290 --> 00:32:58,570 Is it open public? What? Is it open to the public? No, because we don't have this case. Yeah, because it's in the building. Oh, okay. Yeah, still. 450 00:33:00,940 --> 00:33:02,080 Well, do our best. 451 00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:04,220 I'm sure you will. Thank you. 452 00:33:04,220 --> 00:33:11,700 our best yeah it's it's very frustrating that our city income tax on average gives 453 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:16,180 3.4 million dollars to the state of Minnesota and we've seen zero dollars and 454 00:33:21,420 --> 00:33:31,020 the treatment 455 00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:31,880 And that's $5 billion? 456 00:33:32,260 --> 00:33:32,700 How much was it? 457 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:33,600 $15 billion. 458 00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:34,880 $15 billion. 459 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:35,700 $480. 460 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:36,320 New 80. 461 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,040 Yeah. 462 00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:39,280 Which effort they get from property taxes? 463 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:40,340 That's just income taxes. 464 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:40,720 And income tax. 465 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,740 That's not even a property tax. 466 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,080 Okay. 467 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000 So that's not even a federal income tax. 468 00:33:46,660 --> 00:33:48,100 Or a state income tax, I don't remember. 469 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,260 Yeah, it's just a state income tax. 470 00:33:49,420 --> 00:33:50,940 So that's not even all the other. 471 00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:59,880 Very disheartening to see the lack of support for a community that desperately needs it. 472 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,340 So we're going to do our best. 473 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:05,320 That's all I have. 474 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,440 Okay, thank you. 475 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:09,340 Building permit. 476 00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:12,520 So I saw you put in home sale in front of building permits. 477 00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:14,440 Is that going to be a record thing? 478 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,960 That was very good, you know. 479 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,720 I did it a while ago as an accident and you said you liked it. 480 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,340 Oh yeah. 481 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:20,640 I think it's great. 482 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:21,460 It's really interesting. 483 00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:23,720 I'll try to keep you remember, right? 484 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,800 I really liked the markdowns on the homes. 485 00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:30,060 On the list, I think that's interesting to see. 486 00:34:55,330 --> 00:34:58,370 too. You can see kind of the history. 487 00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:03,310 Yeah, I think it's 488 00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:04,310 L-M-C-C