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[0:05] I'm going to call the planning committee committee. Council order on October 27, 2025, 7 p.m. Let's start with the roll call vote.
[0:13] Brazil, here, Gamble, here, Finnegan, Steinfeld, here, Swanson, Wardman, city administrator, honey. Plaining and setting administrator. I can't read my writing, Monson, here, right? I know, I just can't read it, Monson, yeah. Okay. And Council Liaison, how are you?
[0:45] I have a request to amend the agenda for item number 5.1.
[0:53] So as you recall, there was an ADU that was applied for as a variance of that that was
[0:58] previously proved as an interim use permit and then there was a lawsuit in what came out
[1:05] that was the judge had asked the applicant to reapply for an inter-emuse permit instead
[1:10] of proceeding with the variance application. So in anticipation of that, the zoning administrator
[1:16] and the city attorney reviewed the code language for some cleanup stuff and some things related
[1:24] to the to accessory dwelling units. And I had some discussions earlier today and the recommendation
[1:33] is for this to go to city council first before it's reviewed by the planning commission and have the city council
[1:39] determine if they want any code amendments. So I would last for someone to make a motion to remove this agenda item
[1:46] for tonight and then city council can discuss this at their next meeting and then they can come back if they want
[1:53] direct planning to review the the code amendments. Is that item 5? 5.1?
[1:59] Yes. I'll move to remove item 5.1 from the agenda so that the City Council can review
[2:08] it first before we're asked to give our news on it. I'll second that. Okay we'll do
[2:23] Gamble. Yes. And again.
[2:33] Recommended it.
[2:37] No, the city attorney. Okay. Um, then yes.
[2:44] Okay. Yeah. It's time to help. Yes. All right. Passes six or six. Thank you. All right.
[2:55] The minutes for the last meeting.
[3:00] Edit. If not, it's going to be in the motion.
[3:06] I approve the minutes.
[3:08] I can move to approve the minutes.
[3:10] Second.
[3:11] Susan, did you find any?
[3:12] Okay.
[3:13] We always see them.
[3:13] They were running past me.
[3:15] Oh, well.
[3:16] One of us.
[3:17] Okay.
[3:18] We have a new system.
[3:19] We have a new system.
[3:20] I do it on in the thing.
[3:21] It's a lesson there.
[3:22] I'm not aware.
[3:24] Okay.
[3:24] So, there's a motion to approve the minutes as presented.
[3:29] Resilie A.
[3:30] Gamble.
[3:31] Yes.
[3:31] And again.
[3:32] Yes.
[3:32] Time to open.
[3:33] Yes.
[3:33] once in. Yes, workman. Yes.
[3:35] Passed six of six.
[3:39] Now we go to
[3:42] hold business.
[3:45] Tree production ordinance update in the work group.
[3:47] Scott, would you like to update or you want me to?
[3:50] I did bring a hold-up IDs notes.
[3:53] Yeah.
[3:54] Which way? I'm going to go.
[3:55] What's that going?
[3:57] So I'm going to go public hearing this. Is 5.1 or 2?
[4:00] Yeah. Right.
[4:03] Yeah, we're 5.1s off.
[4:08] Okay, so on the tree protection, I just pull the nuts up, we're going to see if we don't have anything on that in the packet.
[4:17] No. Oh wait, yeah, there was no notes.
[4:21] Oh, it's in case 14 of 19.
[4:23] Yeah, so the group's been meeting and to remind you we're basically trying to simplify this.
[4:31] It's not user-friendly at all. If you're a resident trying to figure out where to look, it's very confusing.
[4:36] even the process of editing it, I found it confusing.
[4:41] But I did finally get it down.
[4:43] So the worker has met on, and we briefed you, you know,
[4:48] on some of the recommendations based on feedback from residents
[4:51] and our research.
[4:53] And so what we're doing now is trying to get those into the code
[4:57] and simplify it.
[4:59] And so I spent a lot of time doing a red line version
[5:02] similar to what we did for the DNR projects.
[5:04] projects and
[5:07] What we're the the nice thing about it is that there's a table and it's based on a table of the city's been using and
[5:15] We made some changes to it in the meeting, but it'll be a lot easier for someone to say here's my issue
[5:21] I have a dead tree and it's not protected and so here's what I look enough. I'm it's require
[5:27] So we talked a bit for that we're moving some of the sections the chapter reads kind of like a many ordinance
[5:33] It has a historical section, it has definitions, and it has enforcement, and it has language
[5:41] on nuisance and how nuisance situations are handled.
[5:47] The nuisance is covered in the City Code section 508 we learned, and so we'll be moving nuisance
[5:56] to the City Code, or not moving in there, but-
[6:03] We're looking at the details on new scents and whether we'd want to recommend any edits
[6:08] to the city code, which would have to go to the city council, and we'll have this
[6:14] for you at the next meeting.
[6:19] The historical sections go in the front of the code, the enforcement is going to the enforcement,
[6:23] so it cleans up the section a lot, so that's kind of the second big thing.
[6:28] And the third thing is we're just looking at the 75-foot lake set back and make sure we
[6:37] handle that well with these changes.
[6:43] So where we are now is there's a list of things that I have to update and we'll have them
[6:47] ready for the next meeting so we'll be going through a lot of details in the next meeting.
[6:52] So playing for a little more time.
[6:54] We'll send a redline version.
[6:56] Well, we actually, the red line, it's so much changed, the red line is really hard to understand, you know, because so many things moved.
[7:04] So what we're preparing is a summary of kind of the changes that be for you or for city council so that they'll be able to absorb, you know, the draft.
[7:16] So we'll have a summary of changes we're recommending, the workers recommending
[7:22] planning or bringing to planning and planning if you know with changes
[7:27] at planning would recommend to City Council. There'll be a summary of these
[7:31] things as well as the old code and the new code to read.
[7:38] So we're getting close to
[7:39] the
[7:42] foundation on this, hopefully the next meeting. Any questions?
[7:50] I so I build would be so that being phase two, as you're calling it phase one,
[7:55] those technical changes this phase two, then there's at phase three of how we engage residents on a
[8:01] positive way around trees and that's where we partnered with parks. So we have that meeting that's
[8:07] doing. We have that session. It's in parks hand now. I think they meet November 18th. That's
[8:14] the first time they're going to kind of work it themselves and then they're planning on going back to
[8:19] City Council probably February, probably June.
[8:30] Any other questions on that one?
[8:36] Okay, the next item,
[8:38] 62, Project Less Priority Recommendation to City Council.
[8:42] How do you help us on that one?
[8:44] Yeah.
[8:45] Please.
[8:47] So I have a memo in your packet.
[8:52] I thought of this when we had a discussion last time,
[8:55] if the planning commissions that they should review and make a recommendation if we should
[9:01] regulate short-term rentals or not.
[9:04] So when I looked at that and planning commission, once they wanted council to direct you to
[9:12] look at that, I was thinking about there are some other things that are still kind of hanging
[9:15] out there.
[9:17] One of them was home occupations when the cannabis legislation came about and we looked at the
[9:24] home occupation section of the code and thought it's really out of date so
[9:28] that's one thing. It's kind of reminding you of what's on your list and that
[9:31] is getting an idea of what you think your capacity is because these things
[9:35] always take longer than we think that they're going to take. So that was there. I
[9:40] think landscaping is still a section of the... Yeah, a through a stall. Yeah, grating and then there's
[9:47] There's the grading where you can bring in fill to raise the ground level whenever you're
[9:56] building a home.
[9:58] That's kind of been on the list for a long time.
[10:01] And then we've had questions of if, and this is a question for council because it hasn't
[10:08] come past them yet, if they think that we should regulate fences or not.
[10:12] So I want to make a fence.
[10:16] We don't permit issue permits for fences, but they are required to follow the setbacks
[10:23] and the other standards.
[10:26] There's a bunch of standards in the code, so yeah, I said that wrong.
[10:29] We do regulate them, but there's been some thought maybe it would be easier if we
[10:33] should permits for them because then we can ensure that people are following.
[10:38] Well I'm not aware of any, it's kind of more when it's been brought up, I haven't seen
[10:44] any issues but you know people are just concerned to make sure everyone's doing incorrectly.
[10:51] So anyway those were the items that I could think of that were on our list and also including
[11:00] that Evan had pulled together some information on short term rentals just to give you, just
[11:04] to get you to start thinking about how that's regulated
[11:08] in other cities or how it possibly could be regulated.
[11:11] So I don't know what order of importance
[11:15] you think these are, or if the next thing,
[11:19] what short-term rentals, if you want to do that first,
[11:21] or if you want to look kind of at the list,
[11:23] and if you think there's other things that we need to do,
[11:25] and we have to start working on the COT plan
[11:27] starting next year, because it's doing two years.
[11:32] 28, right? So I don't know if you want to think about it. I guess the other thing is we
[11:39] were wanting to go through the chapters of the code. Yeah. You want at least one a year
[11:44] to try to make a more user friendly and clear. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. So I guess the question, when
[11:51] you think about the DNR work we do, I wonder, we felt like the tree ordinance needed the most
[11:57] help. What chapter do we think we would move to after that?
[12:11] One one way to look at it is what are
[12:15] residents trying to look at, yeah, most because that's where we really need to make it clear for it's
[12:32] true. Yes, actually I'm gonna change what I said because if we have an empty chapter which we do
[12:38] it's still placeholder we should probably do that before we start cycling through the
[12:43] Yeah, so I would put landscaping and grading ahead of moving for other sections, I guess.
[12:49] Short-term rentals does strike me as...
[12:58] No, I agree.
[13:00] Or it gets out of hand.
[13:02] Yeah.
[13:04] So, how do you, we need to...
[13:06] Do we recommend the list or recommend a priority with the list?
[13:14] It'd be better to give a priority if we...
[13:16] Yeah.
[13:16] Yeah, okay.
[13:18] So...
[13:19] So, is landscaping and grading just a rewrite?
[13:22] No, there's an empty chapter.
[13:26] There's something in there on a shoreland. The shoreland rules don't allow certain grading, but that's within 75 feet.
[13:38] The thing that we've gotten complaints on are people building up lots, you know, 10 feet and blocking views and that's behind the shoreland area.
[13:51] It
[13:54] seems like one and two from, I think based on all our conversations, the short-term
[14:00] Reynolds and the 8.3 filling out that chapter seem clearly about the other two in my mind,
[14:10] which one?
[14:11] under two being, let's just enumerate the permits for fences and home occupations.
[14:17] And then this current plan, right?
[14:21] Well, I'm so sure what there is to do on the current plan about this year.
[14:24] I just want to down your radar.
[14:26] Revis as needed.
[14:28] Well, let's think about that aside.
[14:30] I just wanted to be on your radar that in 2026 we need to start working on it.
[14:34] We'll have to have some directive from council because they might say
[14:38] We pretty much like the way it is from how we did it 10 years ago, or they might say we
[14:45] really need some significant changes, and I don't know what that'll turn into, maybe
[14:50] with some other work groups or surveys, or I don't know.
[14:57] and home occupation strikes me as.
[15:21] So the city attorney was the one who suggested that we look at the home occupation and in dealing
[15:26] with the Canada's legislation and that when you looked at it you looked at it like you know
[15:31] it maybe it's not an issue for this to do with it don't you from the state you know are
[15:36] just all cannabis yeah I don't think you can that's what you do it out of your home I think there's
[15:41] a lot of requirements so I think that's what I'm saying I think that was what we were talking about
[15:45] it's like why do we need to regulate it when it's already regulated by the state purpose specifically
[15:51] Well, I think it's a broader issue, which was on residential, and so in today's, there's
[15:56] like, you know, we don't allow commercial, but there are occupations that haven't been
[16:02] explicitly there.
[16:03] It's worth investigating whether you, according to the state statutes, whether you can sell
[16:10] it out of your home.
[16:12] Yeah.
[16:12] I have no problem looking at that.
[16:13] But I'm going to have somebody at least look at the requirements and it seems like a pretty
[16:22] I don't think people can sell out all over their home, which I love you and think you wouldn't think.
[16:27] We did have a city attorney and he had recommended some language.
[16:29] When you looked at that, then you looked at the whole section and said it's really out of date, because it did refer to that.
[16:34] Yeah, I don't think this is about cannabis.
[16:36] The cannabis thing brought up the fact that I like Russian sections.
[16:39] Right, but it refer to bar shops and no business that, you know.
[16:43] My general feeling is that you shouldn't necessarily put in things that are already regulated as opposed to things that you don't.
[16:52] That aren't regulated that you don't want to have here, so I'm getting at, you know,
[16:55] there's lots of things you probably can't sell from your home, probably fireworks or something that are probably regulated.
[17:02] I don't know if you're sure, but I've got to believe there are other dangers that probably can't sell guns from your home.
[17:07] if you can. I shouldn't say in this country you never know but I'm just saying
[17:13] that there's definitely regulated things that it seems to be going to load
[17:18] your your code up with all these things you can't do that already taken care of.
[17:24] I guess I go back to my previous point which was you know fine let's look at it but
[17:30] I don't, I wouldn't put it as a high priority and I think we can dispense with it in fairly short
[17:38] order. So I don't know if we need to worry about whether it's on the list or not.
[17:44] No, I think that the home short term rental is a thing that seems to be
[17:49] percolating all around the lake and just like the tree ordinance, I think it's
[17:54] important for us to be there with the other people.
[17:56] Why do you like the more trouble you have?
[17:58] I'm sorry.
[17:59] The longer you like the more trouble you have.
[18:00] You don't want to be the one who doesn't have to do that.
[18:02] I know it's going back on people who are already doing it.
[18:05] Exactly.
[18:07] Okay, so who wants you just moving to this informally,
[18:11] what would your number one priority be?
[18:14] Scott, number one priority?
[18:16] I think the short-term rentals.
[18:18] And what would you two be?
[18:20] I don't think I'm close enough to the other two,
[18:22] but everything you're talking about in landscape and green,
[18:25] whole occupation feels like yeah okay I get around to doing that but I don't
[18:29] worry you're talking to me landscaping would be one would probably be number one
[18:36] okay and
[18:39] then maybe then I'm kind of in different between okay
[18:45] okay yeah all right yeah well I'm sorry short-term rental and then I would say
[18:53] the landscaping, because if it sounds like it could be an issue with this rating, we should
[18:58] definitely want to get that taken care of.
[19:00] Just more as you would want to see.
[19:01] Kind of the same.
[19:02] Short term, Randall.
[19:03] Randall's number one.
[19:03] Maybe one.
[19:04] I'm rating and failing number two.
[19:06] Okay.
[19:07] Probably.
[19:09] I guess I think the same thing.
[19:11] Randall and short term, Randall's.
[19:12] Sorry.
[19:14] Yeah.
[19:16] And landscaping too.
[19:18] Okay.
[19:24] What would you think about recommending short-term rentals is also pretty quick.
[19:29] It's landscaping and grading to be a lot more involved.
[19:33] What do you think about giving priority of one for short-term rentals, two for landscaping
[19:37] and grading?
[19:39] Probably put a three simultaneous with two is probably starting to work on the comprehensive
[19:44] plan whenever we get feedback from City Council.
[19:47] That would probably, but let's put that three for now, but it could change.
[19:51] I would put fences ahead of home occupation.
[19:55] Okay.
[19:56] So between fences and home occupation, what do you put first, Scott?
[20:02] I'll pass on.
[20:02] I don't know.
[20:04] Where are the issues in there?
[20:06] Probably fences.
[20:08] Okay.
[20:09] The community would have more of an opinion on them than whatever way of home occupation is going on right now.
[20:25] I just said home occupation over fences, but I don't feel super strongly about it, so I'm not going to stand up and
[20:33] I would assume fences is a very quick turn.
[20:37] I would think so.
[20:39] Well, that's kind of nice. We have kind of medium, hard, maybe easy. I don't know, home occupation is probably easy.
[20:47] we got the compound plan coming in there. If we were thinking about 26, when do you think
[20:53] we would start to hear something, if we have 26 and 27 to work on the compound plan
[20:58] or any changes, and usually they're not a lot, usually.
[21:02] Right, unless the city council says they want us to do it all over from scratch, I can't
[21:08] imagine that's going to be that big. It's a long document, it is to read.
[21:12] And why don't we suggest that's probably three?
[21:16] Because it's part of what we're updating it to more modern.
[21:19] Yeah, there's some discussion around encouraging,
[21:22] like the only thing I've heard is when we were talking about the parts work.
[21:29] One idea, Joe mentioned that we really don't cover like more modern things like
[21:37] environmental, like wing-courage recycling, or composting, or other kind of
[21:43] modern things that if you look at the spirit of the COMP plan might be
[21:48] included. So I think it's relatively... I mean yeah I think the general feedback is
[21:54] that the city likes its guiding principles of the type of character that this
[21:59] community is and wants to maintain the character that we have but yeah there are
[22:03] are some things that need to be updated, I'm sure.
[22:06] And even though the comp plan is a very long document,
[22:09] the actual comp plan is not huge.
[22:11] It's all the appendixes, which a lot of some of those
[22:15] are done by our engineers, so that's what it follows.
[22:19] But I think the comp plan should stay on the test of time
[22:22] with minor tweaks, but I agree that it's probably some updating
[22:27] we can do, but please accept it.
[22:30] Is that about infrastructure?
[22:32] sure everything's like road maintenance and there's I don't think it into
[22:39] the maintenance but there's changes to it yeah there's a section on how often
[22:44] they repay and do things they don't get into that much detail but you could
[22:49] always put a maintenance schedule you know as an appendix right yeah feel like a
[22:53] capital improvement planner like a schedule when you want to do maintenance or
[22:58] like what the city should be doing you could reference or include that in there
[23:01] But you don't have to get into the things you're going to say we have to do each road every year.
[23:06] I was just saying the same thing.
[23:10] I always say before the December meeting, everybody just read the comp plan.
[23:14] So is that available on the website?
[23:17] It's on the website.
[23:19] And we're reviewing it.
[23:21] What do we want to?
[23:22] In December, let's, why don't we make a agenda item where we're going to
[23:31] provide thoughts on where the component, I think one issue is like with the world changing
[23:39] is there any kind of new things that might be built into the comp plan?
[23:44] Modifications are additions.
[23:46] Yes, modifications are additions and then other second thing would just be your thoughts on the comp plan
[23:52] and how well we're, you know, what you see us doing.
[23:56] That's what the how about those two things we can just have a little discussion on that
[24:00] Okay, so the one would be any modifications or additions and the two would be
[24:08] How are we living into it? Is that sound good?
[24:11] Any gaps?
[24:14] Okay, let's schedule that for the December meeting. So you put that on the agenda. Hi. Yeah. Thank you
[24:20] Okay, so what yes your hog so we think about priorities for next year
[24:25] Would we do these sequentially or would you parallel some of them like if you had an easy to meeting or something?
[24:32] Yeah
[24:32] Maybe that was too small to use because it's like fences and dirt on the windows or something
[24:38] It's a good question. What do you guys think?
[24:44] Yeah, you wouldn't want to take out two bigs, right?
[24:46] Like short-term levels could turn into a can of worms.
[24:51] I'm kind of inclined to do them one after another, but I'm not.
[24:56] Well that's kind of the default, but if you guys want to try to parallel
[24:58] All we could. I think we have to have a discussion of the planning we need to see how big of a deal it is and how much consensus there is and how deep we need to dive before you can
[25:09] Okay, no exactly
[25:11] Yeah, I'm just more curious. That's a good question. I'm having a point of view on it
[25:16] I guess you know, we've been doing one thing at a time
[25:18] But we don't be been doing big things
[25:20] Yeah, and they tend to drag on sometimes we think don't do two things, but some of these might be easier
[25:25] We can kind of play it by ear maybe as we get into them. So these are our priorities for 26, right?
[25:33] You can go 26 and 26 and 27.
[25:35] 26, 27.
[25:36] The remaining months of 25, we can try to sort that out.
[25:41] Well, I actually stand.
[25:43] And we want to stand them.
[25:44] Yeah, I mean, the less something rolling on locks, I wouldn't...
[25:47] It would be hard to see us getting past
[25:50] 8.3 and short-term rentals and COMPLAN work in 26 right yeah so it's
[26:01] sounding like we're we're saying to recommend the list short-term rentals first
[26:08] section chapter 8-3 which is blank landscaping and grading three place
[26:15] older for comp plan, tune up, and then four was fences and five was home occupations.
[26:26] That's what I'm hearing you say, is that sound right?
[26:32] So if we make a motion to suggest that priority, and I think we could say to that we'll do them
[26:38] in series unless we find we have capacity to do any parallel.
[26:43] Right, and keep in mind that like the short term rentals, the request, and I don't know
[26:49] if council would make it more definitive, was for you to do research and decide if it's
[26:53] something that you should regulate or not.
[26:55] Right.
[26:56] So it wasn't to come forth with all your recommendations on regulations or a reg.
[27:00] Well yeah, that one could end if we said no, we don't think we should regulate it.
[27:03] If we do, though, I would include it in that priority.
[27:06] Yeah, and I think just, yeah, and the same would be with fences, because it's
[27:13] -
[27:15] that priority list. I can't make a motion. I can't make a motion. I can't make a motion.
[27:22] I think we said like that. You should be. If you want. Upcoming year the planning commission.
[27:29] Can we say to 2627? 2627 planning commission priorities be one short term, examining short term
[27:42] levels to the grading and filling section of the code which is currently blank or basically
[27:54] like a three and evaluating the comprehensive plan for evaluating whether fencing needs
[28:09] needs to be permitted, and five, looking at the evaluating the whole occupation section
[28:18] of the code.
[28:20] I think that's good.
[28:21] What do you think about, and the comp plan, Heidi, should we add, after receiving, you
[28:25] know, feedback for our direction from city council, because we kind of want them to, aren't
[28:31] there supposed to be a person that?
[28:34] Do we go first?
[28:35] Do they go first on their own?
[28:37] You were tasked with it, but I would think it would be good if you had guidance from them,
[28:40] so you don't go in a direction that they're really not thinking.
[28:45] So you said, are you okay with that, Amanda?
[28:47] Yes, you just...
[28:48] After a direction, you have some counsel, okay.
[28:53] Can you read back to us when you're ready, Heidi?
[28:58] I don't know exactly how you started it, because I caught on it from 2026 to 2027, the planning
[29:05] Commission priorities with the number one examine short term rental is number two grading and filling section
[29:12] Which is 8.3 8.3. Yeah number three evaluating the complaint after direction from city council number four
[29:21] Evaluating whether fences need to be permitted and number five evaluating home occupations section of code
[29:29] I think the intro was fine wasn't you said? I just I just mentioned that our priorities for is that he started?
[29:35] Second.
[29:42] Okay.
[29:43] Either way.
[29:44] Brazil, yes.
[29:46] Gamble?
[29:46] Yes.
[29:47] Finnegan?
[29:48] Yes.
[29:48] Time fell?
[29:49] Yes.
[29:49] Swanson?
[29:50] Yes.
[29:50] Wartman?
[29:51] Yes.
[29:51] Okay.
[29:52] That's a six or six.
[29:53] Thanks.
[29:54] That's a question.
[29:55] Yes.
[29:56] So on this cop plan, we're coming back to sound.
[30:02] So there might be something there with that in any way, something we take back to city council when we ask for guidance. Yeah, I think that may be a good thing. Yeah. Yeah,
[30:15] we gave it back to them. We can catch on our discussion. Or even minutes, right? How would we do that? Just minute the discussion. You think Jennifer? I mean, you committed the discussion and I give you the summary. Yeah, it'll end up being on our agenda.
[30:32] objective list, council's objective list.
[30:34] It'll be plotted in there, but it starts with planning.
[30:37] That's why I wanted to start it now.
[30:41] Okay, good.
[30:43] Anything else on that before I move to the next thing?
[30:47] Seven, one, chair, or four?
[30:49] I have nothing.
[30:50] Nothing, two, four.
[30:52] Any commissioner reports?
[30:55] Council liaison, how are some of them?
[30:58] We had our meeting on October 6th.
[31:01] water and treatment plant is coming along well. They've finished with well number three and
[31:06] well number four. All the drilling is complete. It's so quiet.
[31:12] You must be happy about that.
[31:16] It didn't mind it. It was kind of like just a background noise. So they're working on the exterior
[31:22] finishes and they're onto the interior work. We're working on still trying to figure out finances,
[31:29] speaking of which we are on the Senate funding tour of the bus stop so they're
[31:34] stopping in Minnetake Beach on October 30th so hopefully. What does that look like?
[31:43] So they stop at each community kind of the tour so there's multiple communities
[31:47] and you think we get 15 minutes right? 15 minutes to kind of present our case
[31:51] and gravel. They're coming to the water to go to the water.
[31:57] Public works, water treatment plants, and state centers.
[32:04] I think just state centers, right, Heidi?
[32:09] Yeah, the representatives is another tour.
[32:12] And actually, that one is November 13th.
[32:16] and we have five minutes to present for that
[32:19] and that's the Chanhas and Rex Center.
[32:22] So we'll all be in a line with our five minutes,
[32:25] probably, okay, oh boy, yeah.
[32:28] And who meets them, who represents Minotone Beach?
[32:32] Joe.
[32:33] Yeah, a lot of council is gonna be there.
[32:35] Okay, good, yeah.
[32:36] Thank you for doing it.
[32:37] Yeah, Joe will do the presentation
[32:39] and Alan Offerman, the city engineer,
[32:41] will also be presenting.
[32:43] And we've been working.
[32:45] Is it open public? What? Is it open to the public? No, because we don't have this case. Yeah, because it's in the building. Oh, okay. Yeah, still.
[33:00] Well, do our best.
[33:02] I'm sure you will. Thank you.
[33:04] our best yeah it's it's very frustrating that our city income tax on average gives
[33:11] 3.4 million dollars to the state of Minnesota and we've seen zero dollars and
[33:21] the treatment
[33:31] And that's $5 billion?
[33:32] How much was it?
[33:32] $15 billion.
[33:34] $15 billion.
[33:35] $480.
[33:35] New 80.
[33:36] Yeah.
[33:37] Which effort they get from property taxes?
[33:39] That's just income taxes.
[33:40] And income tax.
[33:40] That's not even a property tax.
[33:41] Okay.
[33:44] So that's not even a federal income tax.
[33:46] Or a state income tax, I don't remember.
[33:48] Yeah, it's just a state income tax.
[33:49] So that's not even all the other.
[33:53] Very disheartening to see the lack of support for a community that desperately needs it.
[34:02] So we're going to do our best.
[34:04] That's all I have.
[34:05] Okay, thank you.
[34:08] Building permit.
[34:09] So I saw you put in home sale in front of building permits.
[34:12] Is that going to be a record thing?
[34:14] That was very good, you know.
[34:16] I did it a while ago as an accident and you said you liked it.
[34:18] Oh yeah.
[34:20] I think it's great.
[34:20] It's really interesting.
[34:22] I'll try to keep you remember, right?
[34:25] I really liked the markdowns on the homes.
[34:28] On the list, I think that's interesting to see.
[34:55] too. You can see kind of the history.
[35:02] Yeah, I think it's
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