I think it's a good idea. >> So, we're going to ask.
» Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
Good evening, everyone, and welcome to the August 18th, 2016 meeting of the
Patchogue Village Zoning Board of Appeals.
The first application will be a new application at a 20
» Uh, sorry. >> Yeah, it's okay.
20 Medford Ave LLC seeks permission to demolish an existing multi-tenant office
building and construct a two-story motor vehicle sales building.
Going on Leaf 435-28-13, special permit is required for motor
vehicle sales. It lies Leaf 435-33,
the parking stalls are required 9 by 20, provided 9 by 18 for display vehicles.
Also requires Leaf 435-31-A8, 105 parking spaces required, provided
46. Subject premises are located in the D1
business zone. Is the applicant or representative
thereof?
Welcome. >> Good evening.
» Kindly state your name and address for the record.
» Eric Crew. >> Thank you.
» And you have a certificate of that up? >> Yep.
» Yes. >> J. Timothy Shay, Jr. Shapell & Down, 100
Motor Parkway, Hauppauge, New York, for the applicant.
Joined by Mike Biancaniello, who is senior grade there
He's the site engineer. Who may come up if there's any questions
that I can't answer. And Ethan Schuss. He's going to have to say it. I I had it
before. Robert Shikowski. Yeah, he was our traffic and parking
engineer and who did the parking for the parts of the the application.
Uh We have an easel, but we could not make
the third leg work. So, I apologize. I just hope
» So, we have a two easel. >> Yes, we have a a perspective of
So, uh
So, I'll just leave it here and hope that
you can see it and then I'll lift it up to you as I go along with you.
» Yeah, we can wonder if members of the public can see it. So,
we have an easel in the building. Uh
Oh, ours is broken.
So, We're doing great, Jim, aren't we?
» We take our two legs.
Okay, here we are. Uh so,
» Uh let's see. Members of the board, if that board was here,
then you guys see it? >> This first board is really just so that
you get an idea of what the rendering would be.
» Okay, if you could if you could just turn it to the public as well.
» I'll just have you take take a quick look at it because I don't think it was
in your original package. Uh to give you a visual, you know,
sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.
Uh so, we feel that would be one of those times. Uh so, the the site in
question is uh former Long Island Bank, aka the
building on the west side of 12 Boston Post Road in that avenue.
Um two
lots north of Concord Highway is the Commerce former Commerce Bank, TD
Bank, which is directly south of us. The glass store will be directly north of
us. The current building on the site is
16,212 uh feet on a single story. So, that's
the whole footprint. So, the footprint takes up a
large part almost 1/3 of the building's in fact a little bit
over 1/3 of the of the property side which is 41,002
sq ft. The property feeds on B1 which would
allow for a special exception for the car dealership.
The application before you is for the special exception for motor vehicle
sales and two-part variances.
One for 46 stalls where 105 were required
and the second is for the size 12 stalls that will be located along the street
frontage as vehicle display. Those are going to
be small park parked cars that will remain
there so that people can come and actually see the car possibly test drive
it. And those will be along the street
frontage at on 112. The variance is instead of a 9
by 20 stall, we're looking for a 9 by 18 stall. These cars are not going to be
moving very often. They're going to be there for display and when we do test
drives, they're going to have obviously have a sales person there to watch the
vehicles out and make sure there's no issues.
The proposed building which I showed you running up is a two-story
building with a open ceiling to the front. Okay,
so you'll have like a large glass window up front
and there will be within the footprint that we probably create
that uh with the awning.
Okay. Okay, which is in your packet. Okay,
which is in your packet.
This is the floor plan. I'll show it to the audience
momentarily. So, the larger of two footprints is the
ground floor. And the ground floor will have cars
inside up front. And then there's a reception area,
lounge area, office space for sales including a sales
manager, restrooms, uh
and again, the the front half of the building is actually going to be open
air. It's going to go to the almost the same ceiling, not quite.
And uh
it gives better lighting and a better visual when you walk in. And you it's
the typical car dealership uh template of these days. The second floor will be
in the back above the downstairs offices, there will be
upstairs offices uh for the accounting department, which will be approximately
four to five people, file cabinets, controller's office,
conference room, uh
break room for people who uh you know, have lunch or whatever, restrooms, etc.
So, uh give you an idea of what we're looking at here as far as inside the
building. That is
And if you show this to people right here that want to take a
look at it, please feel free to come up and take a look at it as far as I'm
concerned. It's open book.
Uh So, the current site
use utilizes an easement to the north uh for their driveway access. Actually,
their curb cut is north of their property line.
Uh in doing title we determined that that
really wasn't shouldn't be the way it should be. And what we ended up doing
was working with New York State DOT to move that curb cut a little to the south
to our property line. And the site plan will have a single circulation around
the building with circulation up front. So, you'll have the 12 stalls along the
street frontage around 112, which is part of the variance.
And by doing all that we've done, we've
actually resulted in reducing the footprint of the building
by 57%. So, it's gone from a 16,000 square foot
building down to a footprint of about 7,000 ft.
The site will not be used for automotive repair. I think that's a very important
distinction here. Um or the storage of motor vehicles
including new motor vehicles other than those that are on display.
Our client has already purchased a property um on Station Road in Yaphank
which is 10 minutes away that they're going to utilize for all of their car
storage for their inventory. Um we are in the process of site
planning Town of Brookhaven. Um
the zoning is appropriate. So, it will be granted in some form but
we're very confident that that gives us plenty of room for our our car storage.
The other important part of that is that there will be no car carriers delivering
new cars to the site. So, you won't have the same problems
that we all know happens with car dealers in
that sometimes especially on 112 I've heard
that they go to the median and drop off the cars and disrupt traffic that other
dealers do not this one. So, there will be none of that. If
somebody wants to see a specific car that is not located on the lot and they
want to have There is a a It's going to be a prep and
storage facility. There will be employees there. It's a phone call.
We'd like you to bring the red Honda Accord Hybrid down for a customer. They
jump in the car and they will drive car and it'll just be like any other
passenger car coming down. There'll be no car carrier on 112 to supply us.
Let's see. I With regard to the uh
the parking variance with the number of parking stalls.
Um I think you had a similar hearing with the former partner Al Silverpoint a
while ago. Uh so the village code of the Village
Patchogue does not make differentiation between different types of uses with
regard to parking. It's one per 150 sq ft throughout the village itself.
Um and not making differentiation for
different types of uses. In this case most towns have different formulas for
different types of uses that range upon the impacts that they've seen over past
history. Um the closest comparison I'll make is
Town of Brookhaven because obviously it abuts the Village Patchogue. Uh and in
Town of Brookhaven the parking code for car dealerships is one stall per 1,000
sq ft. And uh also an additional stall at one
per 300 sq ft for employees. Uh so this would mean if we were under
the Town of Brookhaven code there would be a base of 12 stalls under that
1,000 one per 1,000. Um because it's an 11,000 sq ft building
two stories. Uh
plus an additional 37 and 1/2 stalls for the employees at the ratio of one
per 300 ft. And that would be 47 or 48 stalls
depending on whether you want to round up.
We all know we all round up when it's
uh when it's to the benefit of the village or the town.
Still we're providing 46 stalls. So under the Brookhaven Town bill the
code we would have a very minor variance.
Um and even if we didn't count the 12
displaced stalls which we obviously will be counting but again there's no
differentiation in the village code. Uh that would be we would still have 36
stalls where 46, which would be uh
less than a 30% variance. Um
so we think that under the circumstances and type of use we have that
the the the relaxation with the number of stalls and the percentage is in
keeping with the type of uses that we see on an
everyday basis. Uh under the village code code, the base
would be 75 stalls with an additional 30 for peak employment.
Uh so it drives to a 105 total stalls.
Uh this would be a 56% variance, which uh based upon prior uh hearings, it
would appear to be within the range of what the board has either previously
felt comfortable with, uh although they did not grant it on the prior
application. It was within the decision itself that they thought that if we
blocked off a certain amount of square footage to arrive at 56%,
uh that the board viewed this more favorably.
Um again, further
the town code and other codes don't
necessarily take into account a dealership without service.
This is a very unique situation where it will be only sales and no service.
Um
now I want to talk about the specific with regard to the employees here
because I think that's an also a very important consideration when talking
about parking variance. Um
in reality, there'll be 25, approximately 25 people stationed at
this particular site. And there are shifts, and it will
rarely, if ever, you'll ever see 25 people there at the same time as
employees. They have uh 12 sales people,
four managers on different shifts, five office staff that will be there
Monday to Friday with one person of the office staff
coming in on Saturdays. And then they have four BDC staff, which is the the
scheduling, uh calling to the scheduling people to come
in to either view a car or, more likely, to
actually do their purchase. When they come in and do all the paperwork, and
they're they sign documents and they actually purchase the vehicle.
So, that that's 25 total. Spoke to client today, he said, "More
likely than not, it'll be 20 or less on
any particular time basis other than maybe a shift change where you might
have them for a very short period of time together."
Uh
Let's see. With regard to uh special permit,
special exception, um it's the the use is permitted in this
zoning district. Uh it's not going to uh
prevent reasonable use of neighboring properties. I would note for the record
that immediately behind this property, it's
very unusual set of circumstances. To the south and on Montauk Highway,
there's a commercial center. Uh looks like about seven or six retail
spots with the parking in front. They actually own a strip of land about
60 ft wide going north and south all the way up
to the North Roadway. And so,
that is part of their commercial property.
And they've actually fenced off the portion of that property immediately
behind this property. So, immediately to the west, there's a fence from that
property owner and then a fence going east and west at the northerly part.
Up here. Sorry.
Get you oriented with east and west. Um so, that there's also a fence going this
way east-west and a fence on this way going east-west. So, it is kind of it's
it's completely isolated and fenced off. And as I said, it's in the title owner
of the commercial property to the south. So, there's really no residential
neighbors immediately to the our rear. >> So, it's not moving more west closer to
the the residence over on >> No, we are holding our property line.
Our site plan stays exactly where the Long Island fence
» Okay. >> development ends.
» Okay. >> Um
It's within the character of the area. There's already fellowship across the
street, which we talked about if needed. Uh
We've worked with DOT with regard to traffic and we're very close to having a
curb cut highway work permit done. Most of the technical aspects are are
adhered to. If you want our traffic consultant to
talk about that further, happy to do so.
Um in this case, we've talked to the village already. The
Long Island Advance building is serviced by septic.
They're private owned. We are proposing to hook up to the
Village of Patchogue sewage treatment plant. There's ongoing discussions
between our site engineer and the village engineer with regard to that.
Um again, there is uh no repairs going to occur on this
property. So, won't be any you know,
materials produced, any noxious odors. No
It's going to close at normal business hours.
So, there won't be any nighttime noise. Uh you're right on 112. Uh
See what else.
I think that based upon the evidence that we provided that uh we have more
than adequate parking for the site. Uh
not going to be any uh This The building will be a
state-of-the-art building. It will have to be built
uh pursuant to the 2026 International Building Code. They just passed a new
version of that. Uh
the drainage will have to be in accordance with all village
uh requirements.
Uh Again, we shrunk the uh footprint of the
building and the overall size of the building, so there will be less crowding
less crowding of land. Uh and the plot area is sufficient for
our use. Uh
As far as our knowledge, there's no church, school, theater, or recreational
area anywhere in the vicinity. And certainly none that would be impacted by
this. Uh
That covers all of the criteria with regard to the special permit. And uh we
would ask that you grant the application. I'm happy to answer any
questions that you may have. >> Thank you, Tim. Thank you for your
presentation. Couple of thoughts here. One, what is
happening to you the dealership across the street?
» So, I know what's coming up, but I figured I'd let you ask the questions.
Um so, the dealership across the street is
uh right now undergoing a site plan. That
is going to be for repair
and used car storage. Okay? So, there will be used cars stored there.
Hopefully, Allison will be here the next hearing. She just had a conflict
tonight, so I had to cover. >> Uh And where's used car sales?
» So, there There's one person on the used car lot, maybe two,
that out of those same 12. And they have the same 12 people.
Uh so that people don't ever have to come back and forth. If somebody comes
in >> That's what we're worried about, back
and >> That's
from the last hearing, from the looking at everything, we knew that that was a
major issue. And that we In fact, we talked to Klein Brothers today, so that
if there's somebody that says, I want a used car, they're going to stay there.
If they say, "Hey, I I really would like a a new car." They can actually look on
the computers at at the repair shop and try and pick something out. If perchance
they wanted to uh uh see one of those cars, we would
bring it from the new car dealership
to the used car dealership. But it again, it it's going to be a very
minuscule amount. Um we don't anticipate that there'll be
a lot of that uh that kind of thing cuz you you really if
you find if you want to come and get a new car, you made a plan.
You know, you you kind of know what you want. You're going to the to the
dealership. So, those people that are going to be shopping for new
cars are going to go directly to the new car dealership.
Um >> Okay. And then this application is only
concentrating the 20 Methuen Ave. >> This is only for 20.
» Has nothing to do with Clearview or the last or anything anything like that?
» No. >> Okay.
» No. >> Any good questions on the board?
One?
Oh, I'm sorry. >> I have a question.
» Oh, switch your mic.
» I can't even say the right name.
» Testing. >> Yeah, thanks.
» You failed, Faith.
» Uh a question about the used car car dealership. Would that be like a Honda
certified Toyota? >> It will it will be mostly Honda
certified. They will take other the Be honest, I bought a I bought a new
Honda. And but I traded in an older car, a
different car. So, uh
yeah. So, if they will take a trade-in.
» But they're associated with each other as one company.
» Yeah. Yes, and and it will be the same owners.
» And it is the same people. >> It will still be Baron.
Both sides. It'll be Baron.
So, you'll have somebody to point the finger at if you ever have a problem.
And Carol has my phone. She knows how to get me.
» Okay. Any other questions from members of the
board? Mr. Lamstein. >> Um the 11,251
square feet that we're using for the parking calculation.
» Yes. >> That's the ground floor area, correct?
» No. The uh the footprint is about 7,000
square feet, a little more than 7,000 square feet. I was doing the rough math
earlier today. It's 92 by 75, and then there's a little
out, which would be 6,700 square feet. That's the main part, and there's a
couple of little out jogs, which I estimate can't be a total of more than
300. So, the 11,000 also includes the second floor office space.
» Okay, cuz the uh site plan C301 indicates that it's the ground floor
area, the GFA. >> That's gross floor area.
» That's gross floor area. That's the entire building. That's not the gross
» Gross. Okay, got it. Got it. Just making sure.
» You got to be scared there for a second. >> You looked confused.
Okay, we're good. Okay, so gross. >> Yes.
» All right, got it.
Um
» I think that was pretty good. >> Yeah.
» Any other questions from members of the board?
Let me folks, excuse us one second. Any member of the public who would like
to speak for or against this application?
You better state your name and address.
What's your name? >> Hi. So, I just said want to clarify. So,
this strip of land that was this which which was a
disputed not too long ago on another another application. That's not
» impacted by at all. And I recall that the A&E Auto strip
because that's what A&E Auto had to do back in the day. I think it was 1980 or
81. >> Okay.
» And that piece goes from that shopping center all the way to Oakwood.
» Right. Right. >> No, it's not part of this covenant.
» Okay. So, this >> The covenant is in it. And A&E Auto had
to do that at the time, by the way. >> Right. I was just saying although it's
tempting to think they could be they could solve some of these issues. I
remember Mr. Russo saying you know, along with the covenants.
» Well, there was John Russo with me then. That was to protect the people on that
back street, Grove Avenue. They were concerned. They Remember they they
didn't want to see the lights. You know, and everything else. So, uh
» Okay. So, this >> Yeah, they got to keep that buffer.
» So, they have 46 spots seven of this and
they need how many actually under the law?
» According to the Drake Village parking lot code
8105. >> Which is a what? 50
» 52. >> Okay. So, traditionally that's not a
figure that the board has just handed out to any applicant in the past that
I'm aware of. >> Yep. Not at all.
» Um However, you know, let's go back to the
Waverly Avenue application.
There, if I can get this correct in my mind, the traffic engineer both the
independent one and the one from the applicant
was able to prove that even though their numbers were
high, actually the
parameters of the law >> All right.
» So, my question here would be, does that exist in this application? So, we have
» You're probably going to ask the traffic engineer to at least collaborate that.
Okay. But,
uh what they are saying and their discussion and what they put on the
record was is that in the town of Brookhaven,
they are real close to what this building required if it
wasn't a village code and we would adopt the town code, the relief, if any, would
be minimal. >> Right.
» So, the town feels that the the piece works.
Just our code, that's what we do. >> Right. That's we're not in the town.
» We're not in the town. We are the village.
» The village of Patchogue. So, just keep that in mind.
All right. So, that's That's my only thinking about this is if if we get be
consistent with that decision and get some information that this actually
meets it, somehow does fit the requirements, and you can give them 52%
or whatever it is, >> Yeah.
» then it makes sense because obviously it looks like they have a nice building.
Um the improvement is usually
um so, there's there's nothing really to object to say in that sense.
And it's that much of much of the traffic engineer.
» Yeah. Um we're going to get that clarified. But, thank you. Thank you for
that job.
Any other member of the public who would like to speak for or against the
application? >> Well,
» Mr. Shave, you can just come up and if you can bring the Do you have a traffic
gentleman with you? >> No, absolutely. And apparently he has
parking for the meeting. I forgot to hand in that he can hand
» Here you go. Thank Correct corroborates that.
» Well, at least we claim it corroborates what we said.
» You can hand that and we can take Unless you want a job here, too.
» I need the exercise. >> If you could so nice to state your name
and address for the record. >> Sure.
Ethan Cikowsky with TPD Engineering, offices at 275
Broad Hollow Road, Melville, New York. >> Welcome.
» Thank you. Uh
so yes, we did do a a traffic and parking study at uh for the subject
development, specifically for this application at 20 Bethpage Avenue.
Um
Specifically as it relates to the parking, uh
I will first of all collaborate with uh
uh Mr. Shay said about the town code. I looked into those areas myself and and
and agree with everything that he said. Uh but we also look at when we do
traffic studies, we look at the actual parking demand for any given use. Uh as
he as you may know, um we typically use the Institute of Transportation
Engineers uh parking generation manual. Uh they publish parking generation
studies uh conducted uh for a variety of uses.
We use that empirical data to uh uh project what uh the parking demand
would be at any given use. Uh
For this, we look at land use code 840, automobile sales new. Uh we found that
for the size of this particular center, it would be um
a peak demand of 26 parked cars uh really at the midday.
Um you know,
it's a dealership, so people are going in the afternoon, on their lunch breaks,
and you know, on Saturdays. We closer to the midday on Saturday or the weekend.
Um We find that reduces the traffic demand
on the uh commuter peak hours, the morning and
evening peaks compared to other users, uh especially the the current use, which
is a office building, and it's going to have a peak traffic demand uh during
this commuter peak hours. Um So so based on our research and and
reviewing the the data published by the Institute of Transportation Engineers,
we find that there's sufficient parking on site
to accommodate the demand, especially given that there's no auto service
facilities at this particular location. Many of the studies do that point
recently.
Happy to answer any questions. >> Yeah, and if it's not a purview of this
board, the in the egress, you know, the in and the out type of thing.
» Yes. >> But you don't feel that there'll be any
increased traffic as a result of this? Uh it's going to be everything or every
bit of what the office building does now.
» Correct. And actually, we in our calculations, we found a reduction in
traffic for those those peak hours in the morning, the commuter peak hours,
you know, morning and evening. It's actually less
traffic. You just have a few employees coming in for their shift. And those,
you know, customers are coming more in the afternoon hours.
Um We also have
uh uh submitted the official New York State
Department of Transportation cuz they is their purview, the the curb cuts there.
Uh they don't have any issue with our uh redesign of of the curb cuts. We're
working out some technical comments about the permitting
and the type of pavement to use, that sort of thing. But
but no concern from the OIT. >> Got you.
Any questions from the board? Reasonable.
Mhm. No.
» All right. >> Thank you. I thank you for your time. I
appreciate it. >> Appreciate it.
» Yes.
Any other questions from members of the board?
» I just want to clarify. >> Go ahead, please.
» Um I know the parking variance uh you guys are saying you're providing
46 stalls. I just want to point out that there's 12 more in addition to that for
the vehicles that are part of the showroom, right? So, there technically
there's 58 spaces really on the site. >> Yes.
» Correct? I just want to clarify with that part of it. So, it the
» You kind of looking at the way it was laid out.
» Yeah, the way it was worded worded out and like it was the other way. I just
wanted to clarify that it was 50 Yeah, 58 spaces. So, the 46 50.
» Thank you for the clarification. Mr. Boyd?
Any other comments from the public? Johnson?
» No, no questions. >> Anything else you have to say?
» No. >> Take a motion on the applications.
Ms. LaMonte? >> I make a motion that we close the
application and move it to our decision. >> Motion made by Ms. LaMonte to close the
application, seconded by Mr. Stein. All in favor? Aye. Anyone opposed? So
closed. Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you.
» Glad to be of help. You as well.
Okay, on the adjourned applications. 26-10.
Carlos Carlos Formella, 65 Maple. Is the applicant or any representative
thereof? No?
Take a motion on adjourning 26-10. >> Mr. Chairman, I move to leave the
adjourned application 26-10. >> Repeat that motion, please.
» First of all, we're meeting. >> Motion made to
adjourn 26-10 to a September meeting, seconded by Mr. Meade.
I first by Mr. Stein, seconded by Mr. Meade. All in favor? 26-10 is moved.
26-13. Messiah Julia, 26 Shore Road.
Uh is Messiah Julia or a representative thereof here?
No? Take a motion on the application.
» Mr. Chairman, I move to leave the adjourned application 26-13 to our
September meeting. >> Motion by Mr. Stein, seconded by Mr.
Megs. All in favor? I. Motion approved. Okay, only leaves one left. We're good.
The next application will be 2618, AB Management Group.
Doing business as Stereo Garden, 9 Railroad Avenue, speaks a special permit
renewal. Where night club cabaret used to port
3541A1. Subject premises in the T3 zone.
» How are you? >> Thanks for having us.
» Welcome. See you again and now we wait for certificates, right? Do
you have them? >> I have them right here.
» All right, there we go.
Great, have them. Thank you. >> All right, so good.
Thank you.
» And if you'd be so kind as to state your name and address to the record.
» My name is Juan Carlos Novarro for AB Management DBA Stereo.
» Juan Carlos, okay. And you are?
» I'm Paula Novarro. >> Welcome.
Okay. Now,
so you have a special permit now for a night club and a cabaret.
» Correct. >> Tell us why you think we should do the
renewal. >> Well, we've been here for 7 years and
and we've we've had a almost excellent clean record with almost every
aspect of either fish PC, PSA, SLA,
even even members of our own community have letters of recommendation there
that support us, that love being us there. We feel like we
contributed a lot to the actual village. I think we're you know, we're we run a
very clean operation. I also brought the head of my consulting security with me
that can also go over all the new policies. procedures that we we have
been doing for the past year and moving forward.
Um you know, we we're not a we're not
young promoters. You know, we're business people that are invested in the
city, in the town. We own the Flores building next door. We have another
house in the village. So, we're committed to the town. Um so, we have
every intentions of seeing it grow and and and
and not bringing uh you know, the improper crowd to the
town. So, that's where where we're very into it with our business. We're there
every day. Um we work our events.
Me and my wife, almost 90% of our events we're always there.
Um we do tons of banquets for the community also, not just for that. And
helped would help with the with the nightclub, we're able to do a lot of
special events for uh charity events also that we do a lot
of also in in our place. Um which we take great pride in. And she sits on the
board uh for a couple of other um
events that we do in with special needs kids. And what you know, we're we're
we're we're into it with the with the community. So, we have an invested
interest in here. So, we're we're doing a good job and I feel that we should be
able to renew our license. We have uh a a good clean record and we're very
proud cuz we work hard for it. >> Now, if I think goes back into time, you
do know that this used to be Emporium. They operated as a nightclub every day.
We don't operate as a nightclub every day.
We do concerts. We do special events. We do banquets. So, we would like to keep
our license. However, we do not
do what Emporium did or what Stereo Garden. We purchased the name Stereo
Garden 7 years ago. Stereo Garden was before
um so, it is very different and it's run
very differently. Back then, they needed that license to function on an everyday
because that's who they brought to the village.
We're very different. >> Uh
Juan and Paula What you have now is a nightclub
and a cabarets. >> Correct.
» All right. So, we as board members would assume
that that's that quiet night. You're going to a nightclub. You're
going to a cabaret. Maybe there's a
a band of some sort, a singer. People are relaxing. Things are good.
Things like the martial arts. Is that held in your
building? >> Yes.
» Yes. >> We I am part owners of Flex Fights that
we do about 20 shows around the country. We also got picked up by Syndicated in
all of Latin America. It is an MMA company that we do the events there and
we also do Strong Island Fights, which is amateur boxing there that we do for
children. >> For children. Also, they come in and
little kids that don't want to want to be pro, they start in the amateur
amateur world. We do a lot. It's a family event. It's a family event. Okay.
Yeah. >> They're all ages. So, there's children
» I'm just going to read one letter. This is We have several here.
» Yes. >> Uh this is dated May 22nd, 2026. You
know, ladies and gentlemen of the Patchogue Village Zoning Board.
My name is Christopher Sciarra. I'm the director of the Patchogue Ambulance
Company. I'm writing to you today concerning the ongoing issue Patchogue
Ambulance is having as 9 real weather. On several occasions over the last 3
years, Stereo Garden has hosted mixed martial arts fighting tournaments.
Currently, for these fights to take place, they must have two ambulance
crews on standby. One for the fight and one to transport any fighters that the
fight doctor determines must go to a hospital. As far as the Patchogue
Ambulance is aware, there have been three of these fights in the last 3
years, all of them on Saturday nights. With two of these fights, neither Stereo
Garden nor Flex Fights promoter Flex Fights informed the ambulance company
that these events were occurring. And further, they contacted outside EMS
agencies to stand by for these fights. However, they did not arrange for
transport ambulance or advise Patchogue Ambulance that these fights were
occurring. The result on both the cases were the
fighters needed to be transported transported. The standby EMS crew called
911. We were all obligated to respond to Nitro after a trauma
injury and transport these fighters to the hospital.
At the most recent event, the promoter originally contacted us to do the
transport, but then canceled uh the request a week prior to the
event. As a result, we canceled our standby. And when the fight began, we
were called to respond via 911, which stretched our district coverage for
Saturday night. As you are surely aware, Patchogue
Ambulance is always very busy on Saturday nights. These events stretch
our resources, and we become easily overwhelmed if we are not prepared.
Uh if we've been notified of these events
events in advance, we would have arranged for standby and a transport
ambulance. Since this is very non a for-profit event, we would have charged
a nominal fee that is commensurate with the
local EMS standard practice policy. The chiefs and the board of directors of
the Patchogue Ambulance company feel that Stereo Garden
or the promoter Flex Fights must notify us no less than 2 weeks prior to any
future fight events, so we can ensure that there is adequate EMS coverage for
the event for the rest of our protection district.
Should they choose to hire their own standby transport ambulances, we must
likewise be advised of who will be providing the coverage.
Any assistance you can provide to the uh to the business to cooperate
with us for any future fighting events is greatly appreciated.
All right. So, this is the thoughts now uh
Patchogue Ambulance. >> That is uh 100% correct.
» Okay. >> And that one was addressed on the last
event which I was not aware of because we always dealt with the same
uh company that we always dealt with. >> And we hired medicine.
» And now we have hired a company that's called medicine and that place is that
they are the ones who are strictly ambulance provider and they almost they
like uh a wholesaler for ambulances. So, what they do is that they go into towns
and they lock up if you're having a event at Master Square Garden, they
supply to that event. Here they supply. So, now they are taking and uh
coordination on it and he is in contact with um with her also. He met her that
night there and to make sure that that never happened again because that was it
it jams us up because what happens, I'm not sure if you understand why this is
not good for us either, is it that the show cannot start again
if there's not a second ambulance on site.
» It's frozen. >> It's we freeze. So, the So, that
ambulance leaves, goes to Stony Brook because for whatever reason, the whole
show is on standby. It stops and then we also have airing rights that we are have
pay-per-view shows that are time commitment so that jams us all up and
you know, tremendously. So, when we had this issue,
we tried to nip it 100% and then and we hired another company that's doing that.
» Okay. >> Because the time is
I'm sorry to finish is 11:00 p.m. And so, we want to finish the whole show
by 11:00 p.m. So, when that ties it back, it delays us a little bit.
» Okay. Uh if you would indulge me, I just want
to read these next two into it and then we'll go over everything, okay?
Uh the next one is from a Tiffany Spiffy, it looks like August 17th, 2026.
To whom it may concern, and I'm sure it could be the
uh Patchogue Village Johnny Got the Feels. I'm writing as a resident of the
Village of Patchogue to respectfully express my concerns regarding the
renewal of the Summer on the Green permit and the impact that its late
night events have had on those of us who live in the surrounding neighborhood. I
want to begin by saying that I understand and support the importance of
local businesses being able to operate and succeed in our community. My concern
is not with Stereo Garden simply conducting business, rather it's with
the late night noise and disturbances associated with some of its events,
particularly during work and school week.
The noise and activity associated with Stereo Garden continued into the very
early morning hours. This includes loud music as well as patrons outside
yelling, arguing, creating disturbances as they leave the establishment.
Unfortunately, once an event ends, the disruption does not necessarily end with
it. Residents are still affected by the
activity taking place outside and throughout the surrounding neighborhood.
For many of us, Sunday through Thursday are work and school nights. Some
residents must wake up early to go to work and families have children
who need to wake up for school. I personally have a significant commute to
work and need to be able to sleep at a reasonable hour to safely travel and
perform my job. Being kept awake in the early morning
hours creates a very real hardship. For that reason, I respectfully ask the
board to consider placing reasonable restrictions on Stereo Garden's permit.
Ideally, the nightclub style events should not take place Saturday Sunday
through Thursday. However, if events are permitted on those nights, I think they
should be required to end no later than midnight with appropriate measures in
place to ensure music and that. I'm not asking for unreasonable
restrictions on a local business. I'm asking for reasonable balance between
business and the right to people who want to live peacefully, enjoy their
homes, sleep, and raise their families. There is more here. I'm just going to
sign that off as uh sincerely Tiffany Gonzalez and enter it
into the record. But there is a concern, which we will
discuss in a few moments.
The next letter is from a Chelsea Wallace.
I'm sorry? Okay, great.
Uh it's made out to the Patchogue Village Board of Trustees, uh to the
mayor and members of the Village Board, and now I guess to the CBA. I'm writing
to respectfully oppose to be able to grant permit to operate. I understand
the property may have certain grandfather rights in the Stereo Garden
as previously permitted to operate at this location. However, I respectfully
ask the board to consider how the business operates today and whether its
current operations consistent with representation paid to the village and
the public when the business began operating.
In 2018, the village expressed a strong expansion
of nightclubs in Patchogue because of legitimate concerns involving public
safety, violent drunk driving, noise, and the impact of late-night
uh nightlife on surrounding neighborhoods. Based on my experience
living near Stereo Garden, its current operation raises many of these same
concerns. The owners publicly represented that Stereo Garden is a way
from the traditional nightclub model. However, the business' own website
references compliance with New York State rules regarding nightclubs. The
lease identifies permitted use as a cabaret or catering event. In my
opinion, the way the business operates is significantly different from the
traditional catering or venue. Stereo Garden currently hosts late-night events
featuring DJs, dancing, and live entertainment that continue until
approximately 3:00 or 4:00 in the morning.
The impact of these events is not limited to the interior of the building.
The music, bass, and vibrations can be heard felt in nearby homes. The impact
on the surrounding neighborhood also extends beyond the noise. During events,
parking becomes a significant problem with attendees using nearby parking
areas and residential streets, including areas around Railroad Ave in Patchogue
City. After events, garbage, bottles, and other debris have been left
throughout the neighborhood and my property.
I walk expressed serious disturbances involving individuals leaving events,
including screaming, fighting, property damage, drug use, and urinating on my
property. Attendees have left the venue intoxicated, played loud music from
their vehicles, repeatedly used their horns to create a disturbances during
the early morning hours.
I've contacted public safety on multiple occasions regarding the problems
connected to Stereo Garden events. Food trucks and other late-night food
operations have also remained outside the business after events with activity
continuing to the early morning hours. In my experience, the private security
hired for these events is not effectively prevented or addressed the
problems occurring after people leave the venue.
They are not isolated concerns about a single event. These are ongoing issues
that have affected my family and the surrounding neighborhood.
I've also attempted to address these concerns directly. On July 21st, 2026, I
spoke with one of the owners about the impact these events had on my family and
property. I explained that my youngest child has become scared by the loud
noises and disturbances and has expressed fear that someone could be
shot. During this conversation, the owner suggested that I should move out
of my home. The owner also laughed and stated that
she should be shot first. I found these responses disturbing and inappropriate,
particularly after I was explaining the fear and anxiety that these ongoing
disturbances have caused my family. I'm not asking the Village Board to
prevent businesses from operating or stop legitimate entertainment at the
Bell Patchogue. I am asking the Board to evaluate Stereo Garden based on its
actual operation today, rather than simply the description of
the business when it first received approval.
A business that regularly operates late into the early morning hours, features
DJs, dancing, creates significant noise and vibrations in nearby homes, attracts
large crowds, creates parking problems, leaves debris in the surrounding
neighborhood that is associated with repeated disturbances should be
evaluated should be evaluated based on the actual impact of its operation in
the surrounding community. For these reasons, I respectfully ask that the
board deny the Stereo Garden's nightclub cabaret permit.
I have included a separate evidence list identifying photographs, videos, records
and complaints to public safety and other documentation supporting the
concerns described in this letter. I respectfully ask the board to review the
evidence when considering the renewal of the Stereo Garden's permit.
Additional document is a documentation available on request. The village took
action on 2018 because it recognized the expansion of nightclub activity in
negative negatively affect public safety and the quality of life in community.
I respectfully ask the board to apply the same concern
when evaluating the current operation at Stereo Garden. Respectfully, Chelsea
Lyons. And there's also evidence here that will
be put into the record. And last but not least,
Suffolk County Police Department. And fairly extensive.
Uh disturbances uh
I mean this it it's just a lot of stuff going on
here for somebody who's just got to go sit at a small table
at a cabaret and have a glass of wine. So, would you kindly please explain
how do we go from a nightclub cabaret
to martial arts and concerts?
» Well, you know, over the past 7 years, roughly let's say we were doing one
event a weekend. You know, and and of course the year
roughly around 350 to 400 events that we've done in the past 7 years.
RSLA records, State Liquor Authority, if there's any issue with anything, they
would be the first one to come suspend my license if I had any kind of issues.
Those police reports, a lot of them are altercations, somebody comes out a
little drunk, or somebody trips and falls, or somebody is having a
situation. In every night night establishment on Patchogue Main Street,
there's going to be situations. And we try to limit as much as we can. We see
somebody that's overserved, we stop serving them. If somebody comes in, they
look like they're intoxicated, you know, we have a whole list of procedures that
we follow inside our manual that we have, the bartenders know, our security
will has to what we're doing now to to combat all these issues. And now also,
when we also end the show, we don't end the show
abruptly at because we don't want that flooding into the street. We've made a a
deal with uh fifth precinct about that. We've also made a deal with the
uh the sound safety about that. So, what we do is that we slowly turn the music
down, we put the lights up, and people start leaving in an in an orderly
manner. Not everybody rushes to the streets to avoid that cluster, that
noise, and everything that's in the street. And then also, concerned about
the bottles in front, we send a cleaning crew every night outside of front in the
front of our area to clean up every single debris and bottle and that
situation. So, we do take care of the front of it. We are very vigilant and
concerned about our neighbors. This is why on the weekdays
I don't know how many how many shows we don't do any I wish we did, but we don't
do any shows only on a Thursday. And if we do on a Thursday, we realize that it
has to end by 11:00 12:00 because people work on Friday. And we don't the Sunday
shows that we do end at 12:00 too. We'll do a day party if that's possible
because we know people work. So, I'm not sure during the weekends or weekdays
what concern that that individual had because if you look all of my calendars
coming up, we don't have any weekdays events.
Um most of our shows are average between two to three 400 people. If there's a
large uh celebrity, we call them an A-list celebrity, we'll deal with big
pricing, and they will come in we call them ahead of time they will either
close the street off or they will put a special car in front just to make sure
that everything goes smoothly and then the exit is properly just for example if
you want to compare and ask them on the last one we did this artist called A
Boogie is a big time artist he has a lot over 10 million followers he drawing a
thousand people they came in did a great job
people came left had moved out no incidents no other because the fifth
precinct worked with us and we worked with them there was no altercations
outside there was nobody urinating or any of it but this is what we try to do
with that situation. >> But the concern here is
the special permit that was granted to this boy did not say concert or call it
did not say MMA >> Well that's what the night club is for
the night club well let let just say concert well well let just say it's a
it's an especially event venue place we do events all type of events we'll do
» Do we even have the decision >> Yeah let's see the
we want to see the permanent >> I just want to see the MMA events here
at 12:00 >> That is not that's
» No I I understand that but people don't go to a cabaret for an MMA event
» Well it's it's >> No no no no no we're we're altering what
this boy originally did >> it's an event space it's an event space
it's a multi purpose event space that has the capacity of holding special
events like those concerts >> on your here for renewal of our special
permit >> Right
» I want to see please what the criteria of that special permit was
» Because Stereo Garden was always a concert
» night club >> night club always so we are not the
inventors of the wheel this wheel was sold to us there was always concerts
concerts have been there forever if you go back in the records you will find how
many artists have performed in Stereo Garden. Pacha was known
» words, you folks you folks are never before us for a special permit. No, you
were. >> No.
» Interesting. >> So you're just going off of what they
were doing >> Yeah, but our our permit's usually 4 or
5 years. How long have you owned this? Seven
» Seven years. >> By God, our permit the the largest that
ever permit special permit I ever granted was 5 years.
» No one has came from the town at all now.
» When I purchased it, they gave me the papers stating that it was
done. And that No, no, no. This is going to use it as a practice. This is a
special permit. >> No, I clearly understand that. Clearly
understand that. >> But this is this In other words, this
time was the first time someone came up to us. If there was something that we
needed to do and renew, the town never came to us
» Well, we would have Please don't say town. This is the village. Yeah. It's
the village. Yeah. So, the first we heard of it, we immediately addressed
it. And this is why we're here. >> That's exactly why we're here. But if we
go back in time, you will see that there's constant that were even before
like since Emporium was I would even before Emporium where Knights of
Columbus was. So it's never changed. You know, so the the idea that you're saying
that, you know, you sit down, have a cup of wine, and it's it's always been a
concert. We have a professional stage and sound system. That's how come I know
that the sound it it is inside the building.
» All right, let me just see what counsel says here.
Yeah, what was it granted to, by the way?
» Stereo Garden. >> Us.
» BFG Entertainment. >> That's who you purchased it from.
» Mhm.
» And this was in 2017. >> Correct.
» What was the the term for >> I kept the council's reading it there.
» These are the same. >> So, what what did this board agree with?
Cuz I can't find anything else. Okay. Okay.
Yeah, it looks like the minutes. Can I at least get the minutes on any of
these? Are they actual decisions?
» There's a bunch of stuff like this.
» All right. Let's go back to the clerk for a minute.
» It doesn't define the micro. I didn't At the time our code defined
the micro. It was >> So, we go back to the old That was
actually the >> They doesn't They don't go into details.
» Oh, sorry. >> I have the old code just to look at.
There's a lot of stuff like this.
» Well, how about this? Now, within special permit, pursuant to
435-21A1 A 435-21A5
and such other applicable provisions of this village code, shall be a period of
1 year commencing from the date of the
application. All right. So, this thing expired in 2018.
That's on the We need to talk about the calendar.
» Yeah. We've sent that out in the last slide
and we didn't get a response, but I think
we did get a response. >> Yeah, yeah.
» They did get a response.
» Why is there a submission they got to discuss a little bit?
» We definitely had the deposition cuz that was an old thing. Yeah.
» Well, here's one that says the submission by the applicant of a
schedule of events giving the village at least 1 month
advance notice of of what they are doing. It says
the first day of each month during the event period.
» Yeah, nightclub. >> Wow.
Uh
Procedures for handling violent incidents. It says to drop it says he
has that now. Establishments receive their patrons in
the after. Okay.
Cameras. Oh.
Oh, this is on the inside. No DJs or live music will be allowed on the patio
except with the community-wide downtown business events approved by the village.
Such as a live after-party. >> In our town.
» We We have no speakers outside our building. We have nothing outside.
» Yeah, they cut that out. >> Okay.
» So that other side >> It's a lot smaller than it was back
then. It's a lot smaller than it >> No, more important. Tell us
Tell us
What do you want to do there in keeping with a cabaret
and a nightclub type of thing? I mean, do you ever open your doors just
for people to come in and have a drink as a nightclub?
» No. >> You don't. You're just a special event
place. >> No, we we we open we operate we charge
at the door. We We open until 2:00 3:00 in the morning and we have dancing in
our facility. So all those are covered under the cabaret and nightclub.
» Of course. >> So So you So you do open without an
event? >> No. Only when an event.
» So you have to actually You don't open the doors and say like the rest of
Patchogue, you know, open Thursday and Friday come on in.
» If we don't If we don't have any We don't have a specific artist coming in
we're not open. We don't have a banquet or a special event we don't open.
» That's why we don't >> They're more of a music hall than a
nightclub cabaret. >> That's exactly it.
» It used to change. >> Yeah.
» But you can certainly You can certainly see how
you know, it was always a thing.
» two 300 people. You understand? And the wedding might be finished at 11:00 at
night. >> 12:00
That's what happened here. The use has changed.
» We had to grant the special permit. I don't know about renewing one.
» Right. >> What was What was the original So,
you're looking at the original special permit?
» Uh because uh things like >> uh
events are not >> What What events like for example?
Well >> Like events Wait, because everything's
called events. >> Uh yeah, yeah. Like an MMA event is not
something that >> That's just That's just special We just
want two shows a year. I mean, that's that's something that simple that
» Whatever it is >> If you were to say uh Sir Garden cannot
do the event as a part of MMA it'll be a simple thing to knock off the card.
That's not that's not that's not that's not much of an issue for us.
» Why? Because we want to take the pressure off of
things like the ambulance company. >> the other complaints that we get.
» And we And which the ambulance has been has been addressing 100% fixed. Because
not only with that >> I don't know. The letter The letter is
just dated from July. So, I guess >> Yeah, that was the last event. That was
the last event. >> But and also just Justin, for instance,
we also do wrestling. And they bring a little ring and they do
little people and they and they require an ambulance also. So, we bring an
ambulance for them. >> Yeah.
» Oh. >> Because that's entertainment.
» So So >> I don't know if that reads.
» That's not That's not >> They brought it back again.
» The fire is >> That's it. That's hard to square with
the night club. >> That's it.
» So, we had a definition of night club back in those days. Right. And it
basically is what you would imagine a night club to be. It has to
cover charge, you walk in, there's an area for dancing, there's an area for
the DJ, and yep. >> We still have We still We We do that. We
do that We do that 90% of our events. So, that's what we do.
» In a definition of valid event. >> Well, I I I I that point I I see the
point for the for the combat sports for the combat sports things, but a lot of
» baby showers Yeah.
» Yeah, that's good stuff. I can see that.
» of nightclubs all over Manhattan, Queens, all of them are doing MMA
» multiple >> sports because that contributes to their
bottom line. And we And as us come not compared to
everyone else on Main Street just because we have a cabaret and a
nightclub license, we can't have any special
liquor insurances. My insurance last year was over $100,000 to cover my end.
No one else on Main Street covers $100,000 with insurance just to cover
the liquor authority, assault and battery, and everything else that comes
along with everything that's done there. >> And also when you spoken about, you
know, everybody, it's really hard, you know that the village
had everybody leaving at the same exact time between 1:30 and 2:00.
It's very difficult for someone to say that all the people that are leaving
Stereo, but not everywhere else like we had
Meatball, like we had everywhere else, Burgerology. It It is a Everybody leaves
the village at that time. Very difficult for you to say that it's everyone from
Stereo that is leaving that is loud. That is not quite fair to say because at
that time I have been outside and I don't know where all these people coming
from. You know, the village has parking, everybody's going into that back parking
lot. Just because that parking lot is behind our building, doesn't mean those
people are coming. The majority of our people, specially wedding, are limo,
they're doing buses, you know, we we have Ubers,
» and the concerts they come they come for concerts. A lot of we have Uber drop-off
right in front of our place. >> Uber drop-off is right in front of our
facility because we tell people there is no parking in the village. Please take
an Uber. You know, we tried doing it with the valet, but that didn't work out
in the village, we were connected to him. Now we say, "Please, you know, you
need We even have the skew things for people to take Ubers right out because
we we know what the village parking situation is, but everybody leaves at
the same time. So, not fair to say." >> So, so that Do you Do you Are there ever
like Friday or Saturday nights that they don't open to
» Oh, no. >> or have an event?
» Yeah, unfortunately. >> This Friday and this Saturday
» I'm not rooting >> Otherwise, we wouldn't be having major
problems. >> Right. I I I'm not rooting against you.
» I know. >> I'll give you a I'll give you a quick a
quick list. >> You This Friday This Friday we're not
open. Next Friday we're not open. >> Right. And that And that backs up the
idea that that they Do we have a definition of a musical in the code
right now? >> Are you a wedding venue or
» We don't. >> Definition of a wedding singer.
» Yeah. Just what I came to ask. Carol, I said if I could have what license the
other >> The 89 North House.
» working under. And I I couldn't get it on time, but to me I said, "You know,
I'm trying to educate myself on what the village sees on what the codes are." And
I said, "They're operating They're very similar to what we do. They're a smaller
location, okay, on a side street as well as we are. Well, they're maybe in a
little bit more on Main Street like cuz they want ocean or something." You know,
but regard it's it's still very similar. Sometimes we even have the same artists
performing. So, what what license do they have?
» They took 20 minutes to respond, so >> They took 20 minutes as well. Yes. So,
we do So, we do have that same sort of, you know, vibe if you
want to call >> Should this boy not grant the special
permit? What steps could you take to mitigate
what these letters are saying? Like noise in the neighborhood
Things like that. >> I can bring in Mike. Mike is my security
consultant. I know Mike. We just contracted him for the past 6
months. And
» And all your regular customers >> He's a very big guy.
» He's the smallest one. This is the smallest Mike was able to bring.
» They over there double the guys. >> Mike's company comes highly recommended.
They do events in Montauk now for the question show.
They just got picked up by the SPs. So they're very very very well known in the
security world. >> Okay. But can he stop the noise into the
neighborhood? >> He has some sort of
» that that the loud music in the name >> Well, first of all, there's no loud
music coming out of our location. >> Okay.
» You I can I can blast my music 100%
» come out of that building. >> And nothing comes out of that building.
It is totally insulated on both sides. Whoever says they can hear it, that's a
pure fallacy. >> handled that.
» Yes. Now, my my neighbors next door, they have speakers outside. I don't know
what time they close. And my other neighbor next door, the pizzeria, has
speakers outside. I'm not saying what they do.
» outdoor seating for the customers. >> But we don't. So I mean I don't know
where they can hear the music from. So they can hear
» You guys communicate noise. Yeah. And that he comes out, make sure that the
noise >> They have a team.
» Yeah, nobody is getting out of line in the neighborhood
cuz they don't need it. >> Well, we control our block. We control
our area, our block, our our We don't have a parking lot, but we walk up and
down the street at night time. If there's an issue, always one person goes
out front door, another person goes out the back door just because we don't want
no fights happening in the street. Um and you can attest to more and you
can look at talk over you, but you can explain to them a little bit what you
know what we do and how we do it. >> And the procedures, yeah. Like you know,
when they're coming in and how it works. >> And your name is, please?
» My name is Michael Chahales. And I'm the owner of Four Social Management.
» Got you. >> Um I work with a list of different
restaurants and venues as security consultant. Um some examples I work with
Lessing's Restaurant Group. I work with Hells Kitchen, I work with Coastal
Verde, and we have joined up with them and now Stereo Garden as well to provide
a more optimal experience for both the guests and for the town.
We do everything we can to limit the liability for them.
We understand that there's a lot of things that go on in Patchogue town and
it's a lot of liability for the town as well and a lot of pressure on the public
safety and on the police that are stationed there. So,
one thing that we do, we we don't like I said, we don't let
everyone out at the same time. It's it's a constant flow in and out,
right? At night time, one thing we're doing is we're limiting No one's allowed
to leave with any garbage or anything like that. So, that concern
I I don't think that that's fair to assume that it's us cuz like I said as
well, there's two other locations that are we're positioned right in the middle
of town. And from my knowledge, I don't think
they have any management or security body there on the weekends, you know?
So, people could just be walking out of there with garbage and leaving anywhere.
» No no drinks or cups can leave our location or bottles. We have two garbage
cans in the back of our building. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So, we're very
preventive with that and just in general with our measures, we we're very
wary of the town and we want to contribute to the community to make it a
better experience for the public and for
» Thank you. >> Mr. Jackson,
» Yes. >> What is the What is your code like to to
determine how many security guards you need for a certain event?
» So, we'll do about 50 My my personal code is I'll do about 50
uh one one security per 50 patrons. So, from our experience that we've had
the most success with that and we do that with all different you know, events
and venues. >> And are all the events pre-sales or
» Most of ours are pre-sales. We'll we'll have some we'll have some
walk-ups. Our very minimum walk-ups. Uh most of them we'll know the day of of
how many people come showing up. >> When we first purchased it was a box
office. That's a thing of the past. Everybody's buying tickets online. Yeah.
» Uh Mr. Chairman, uh Mr. South,
uh is there a time when you stop serving alcohol?
» Yeah, we're we're we're a hard cut off by 2:30 for alcohol always on our side.
» So throughout the throughout the event. >> Yeah, he'll tell you that I me and her
work our shows and I want to leave as soon as possible. So most of the times
we'll have an artist perform and with the promoters we're always just part of
the standing that we have a hard cut off at 2:30. The only reason we'll stay open
a little bit later is sometimes we'll have a deal with another venue that's
we're splitting the cost of an artist that's traveling from New Jersey and
he's running late and then he'll come to our stage and he'll hit the stage at
2:10, 2:15 and people are here to see him and it'll run into like 15, 20
minutes. But we try to hard cut at 2:30 and slowly have everybody out by 3:00.
That is our goal always if we go that late. But majority of
times if it's slow if it's slow or it's slowly end up 1:00 or 2:00, 1:00, 1:30.
» I like that automatic. >> I I I have I mean I want to I appreciate
that the fact that you guys are are trying to get you know familiar with the
the culture of the village. I'm trying to work with the with the village in in
every way possible. However, I it seems like the the
application should be for the special special permit use instead of like a
renewal >> Oh, it's a special permit for events.
» For events, exactly. >> I don't know I saw my this is cabaret
night. I think people But how does that fall into
» We'll probably write a new permit. >> Okay.
» In fact, we really have to get the use until the other permit expires.
» Yes, that >> But so how does that fall into the
dancing and drinking and the charging of
» You're only open if there's some sort of entertainment there, is that correct?
» Correct. Correct. >> Yeah.
» And then also, how does that tie in to the state license and also to like our
insurance? You know, because right now we we have
like a bracket. It's cabaret and night club. You understand? That's what
» That's what they bill me on. >> That's what they bill us on. So, if we
change that where you know, it's just not the the village is everything else
like where do we go on there? >> Have you Have you talked to your friends
over at 9 North as to like their Have their insurance as well?
» I mean, I would definitely talk to your insurance broker because if anything
happened during a fight, I can guarantee you they're not going to cover if you're
classified >> They know they have a list of all the
events that we do. >> They know they know they know
everything. >> That's why we pay so much money.
» Yeah, by definition they they they special permit for for special
events has a different definition than the than
the night club. >> No, it goes under cabaret.
By the village. Yes. >> Exactly. So, so that that only is the
distinction. That that you should >> But on there everything else it says
cabaret and night club because all that the fights all of that is under that.
Yes. >> Well, well, that's what we're discussing
here for the village. Correct? Because we operate as a village.
» So, okay.
Listen, everybody does insurance fraud. It happens all over. It's not
» Unfortunately, my my insurance company, they they
insure Madison Square Garden. They They're strictly just for venues and
night clubs and events. So, that's who they that we use. Um so, when we consult
on them, they're also very particular on what
securities we use cuz we have to fit under their demographics. That's why we
use them. And they consult for us. So, that's why they are able to handle that
situation. >> be able to use any of the security
companies that are on Main Street because they're not covered by assault
and battery. We have to be. Our companies have to be.
So, any of any of any place in the village is not covered.
» have requisite for also for the liquor insurance as well. So, we carry that one
a much higher than the rest of the as restaurants. The only issue that we're
having now is a lot of these restaurants are popping up as as nightclubs in the
area. So, it's it's tainting us and making us look a little bit that we're
not we're not doing our job, but we're actually the only ones one of the only
ones in Patchogue that actually carry the proper credentials to do that in the
contained area. You know, we don't we don't operate just on a whim or we're
just going to move the doors and move the chairs.
» So, the chairs have to be >> We do this every weekend. That's what we
do. This is we have the proper insurances. We have the proper security.
We have the proper staffing. This is how we do it every day. We can do it for 7
years. Now, you see some issues with the fist raising, but every other restaurant
is going to have some of them as well. But, we don't have a page like this like
Emporium used to have or anyone else cuz we do things we do things 10 times
differently than they do. >> Okay, great. Just excuse me 1 minute.
Yeah. Any member of the public would like to speak for or against?
Just give us a few moments and thank you.
» Good afternoon. >> Good evening.
» So, my name is Allison Morris. You read my email. I have sent several emails to
our mayor. I've been to meetings several times for this
business. Like I said, I'm not against businesses.
Um I'm taking it personal that calling me
basically how you don't see how I can
figure out what bar and what people are coming from. I live right there.
Listen, I've been here. my family's been here
since 1940s. I've been in my house for over 100 years.
I love this village, I've been doing things to improve it.
This business is not doing what it says.
They just BS you.
The garbage Okay, maybe they do pick it up when it
does come. It's all over. Seagulls are in it. There has been I've sent
evidence, videos, um photos of the events.
» I think it's >> Sorry. It's in the record.
» Yeah. I'm just very upset about the whole situation because I've been
dealing with this for 2 years. I've read what their lease is,
um since the new bar Side Drive
opened. Stereo Garden and that bar can't operate
the same nights. So, I know that when Stereo Garden has an event and when
that bar has an event. I've been to 89 North.
Stereo Garden is not at all like that. In their
paperwork, it does state that they basically can't have events at the same
time. So, I know and I'm not a stupid person.
I know when their events are happening. To the point that me and my family stay
away because we don't get enough sleep.
My child literally said, "Mommy, I'm scared.
I feel like someone's going to either get shot or stabbed because of the
events that they're having."
Um I'm glad that they hired a new company
because the company that they did use didn't care.
Um I actually called that company one night because of the situation.
After an event and they didn't care. I mean, I
literally am sitting on my porch and they had people out there screaming,
cursing, fighting. Um
it's just it's to the point that I
I get it. You want to have great events, baby showers,
sweet 16s, perfect. But those things have time
that they're done. There is a code to the village. I can't
play loud music after a certain time. So, why can that? My literally house is
shaking because their music. We wake up at 3:00 in the morning from
horns, music, vibration, the bass. It's just so disturbing and literally my
child is scared with some of the events. I don't know what else to do.
I'm not saying cuz they have it 30 year lease. I'm not saying, "Hey, move the
business and don't do it." But they need to follow rules just like
how I need to follow rules. It's about safety. We don't want people
driving into my house because they're drunk.
I also know that people from that event, I'm watching people from their entrance
walk out of their building, stumbling,
going through the the the court parking lot and getting in their cars.
I don't know what else to do. I had the village put a stop sign because all of
them everyone would be stopping at a stop sign. I had uh
the mayor change South Street parking because a lot of the people from Stereo
Gardens parking on Railroad and South Street. Sometimes they do. They're doing
drugs. They're blasting music. Um they're very rude. I've had people
urinate on my property. Um it's just the list goes on and on.
So, yes. Great. I hope that they all visit
succeeds with baby showers, sweet 16s, but the concerts, the the events is
ridiculous and they should have a curfew.
That's all I really can say because I know realistically, I mean, if they want
to have their night life, please go to a strip free town then
because this is a village and we want to, you know, we want to have that life,
but we want to feel safe. Um, like I said, I've been dealing with
this for 2 years. I've emailed the mayor. I've emailed you guys. I I don't
know what else to do. >> Okay. We have that in the record now.
Thank you. >> Thank you.
» Thank you very much. Any other member of the public who would
like to speak for or against? You'll have to state your name and
address for the record. >> I will.
John Budzinski, Texas.
I'm having a city to listen to this and I have I really have to buy it.
Um On the one hand, the village promotes
businesses and these kinds of businesses in particular because
I mean, the village now has a reputation for entertainment.
And Stereo Garden and the VFW and the Knights of Columbus before that
even fit within that uh projection that the village wants to
uh communicate to the rest of the public.
And I live next to clubs. So, uh I'm I'm very very cognizant of some of these
issues that come up with the noise and crowd control.
So, that said I I do have sympathies for the residents
because I understand this concept of noise and you know, but
I'm what I'm having difficulty here is there's noise and then and the owners
have indicated they're not the only ones responsible.
So, let's start there first of all. That beer garden area, is I don't know
if it's part of this business or it's not part of the business. Is it linked
up with the with the lease or is not linked up with the lease?
» I tried to get after you. I had to ask me. I think that the beer garden belongs
to another entity. >> Okay.
So, if >> I don't want to have to clarify that.
» That is true. >> All right.
» Okay, it suppose it doesn't. See, this is what's going to happen with with my
testimony is going. I think there are solutions here, but I don't think they
all belong to the same. You know, if that I'm I think in that
decision you read, they said no DJs in the state in the beer garden.
» Yeah. >> And I attended a planning board meeting
where they brought in a a sound
expert and the planning board imposed the same restrictions in addition to
whatever you impose on the beer garden. No DJs, no loud music.
Someone's got to find that, but at least that's there as a reference point.
» And >> And I know I know Chelsea and Fields,
you know, she's been through this process. She's trying to get herself.
It's not easy to go back to the village and say
» Yeah. >> You got to make you got to make that
call to the public safety because you continue to pursue the issues.
That's what I think is happening here. I think there's a mishmash of other issues
that sound and legitimate. My house can vibrate too from my neighbor from my
wonderful nearby club. I understand that completely.
The village has a very poor policy enforcement.
Even though the code says that percussion is to be limited, it doesn't.
Now, I was at the public meeting when the mayor promised to do something about
it. He had to say something about the percussion. You and Chelsea and I should
both go to complete work these together. And ask the board to do better.
Because I think that's what's missing here. I think that that
we have a we have a a deep inconsistency, sometimes
ineffective policy control of sound and noise
in the village of Patchogue. And that's what's happening here. I think we have a
point in a larger niche.
So, on the issue of noise at this facility, once you give it a If you do
give it a concert, change of use.
So, as a matter of law,
at 11:00, uh
we don't have the sound code anymore. We have the commercial noise code. I just
went through this with the board actually a month ago.
Standards of a lower. We don't have 70 decibels anymore. Being the standard is
55. It's not at my property. It's at the business property line.
Uh so, the possibility of getting something done and tickets and court
action done is very high.
Maybe that strategy hasn't been employed so far. Maybe it should be.
And therefore, we'll find out whether or not, as the owner says, the noise is
contained. Well, you know what? Either it is or it isn't. It's a simple matter
of management, finding out what the story is.
» Yeah. So, so the neighborhood is affected.
» Right. >> Just to be clear, the sound garden is
separate entity than stereo garden.
» Sound garden. >> The beer The beer garden. Sorry. The
beer garden. Yeah. They used to be the same when it was
before. >> Side street, side street.
» Yeah, right by the garden. >> The side street owns the side.
» Beer garden. >> Okay. It may. But nevertheless, again,
if I'm correct, the planning board placed restrictions on that property
that we managed to change owners, that property still has restrictions.
So, uh it should be pursued further, but I believe and maybe I'll I'll help
Chelsea figure that out, too. >> Does anybody remember what that building
was? >> Which one?
» It was Burgerology. >> No, it No, it was a roller right there.
It was a roller right there. >> They found pieces of the ceiling.
» So, so when we hear a noise, I can almost swear that you can hear
noises. It was nothing but a brick building. They had a roller rink.
» Are you talking about the present center building?
» Yeah, yeah, the roller rink. That's why the roof goes like this.
Yeah. When I was a kid, I used to be able to
just get my face over the top of the rail and you'd watch everybody skate.
» All right, well, I see what you're I see what you're saying.
» You know what I'm saying? So, I we got to figure something out here.
» I I I I see that. >> Uh that we can that'll be a
not affecting the neighborhood. They can and and we can make it work somehow.
» Also, just one last thing. In addition to the police reports you have, can we
have like last 2 years of public safety reports as well to look at for 2
seconds? >> Did they call give us any?
No. >> No.
So, that would also be another tool to look at anything that might have been
missed. >> Yeah, and what your other idea is
something that could be addressed as well. We want to talk about that.
» Yeah. I agree. All right, thanks.
» John, thank you. Any Anyone else would like to speak for or against the roller
rink? I mean, the uh >> I just want to follow up on something.
» Uh you're welcome, Mr. Sue. I've got a public. Yes.
Anybody else? Guess what? Well, now you guys can come
back and talk. All right. >> So, with with the concerns um
of the music >> Please.
» Um if there's any any day during the
weekday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,
and if you want to come in, I'll have my sound engineer
turn off the music and we'll do a private concert for you there and you
can have someone stand outside and you can see that you will not hear nothing.
No vibration, absolutely zero. We've done this already. And there's
absolutely no I don't know where she's getting that that is happening. I'm not
debunking her, but it could be, but it's not but it's not it's not coming from
our side because we've done this already.
We can set that up whenever We can set that up whenever you like.
» And we just so you know, every event we have a sound engineer. The sound
engineer basically controls the volume and what is going on.
We do not want our sound to be to a level that people can't speak, number
one. And number two, because it it it's what gives you the experience. Like the
sound has to >> Yes, sir.
» be proper in the room. >> be It can't be overwhelming. And then
also, I I have a fix to the situation which obviously it it's it's just more
money on our side, but it is not it would be a fix that I think would
appease them and maybe appease Florida also. That at the end of the night when
my security um is done vacating the facility, that they do a quick walk up
and down the block, or maybe take a look at the parking lot, or maybe take a look
across the street, making sure there is nobody urinating, make sure there's
nobody trying to break into a car or something like that. Maybe after the 20
minutes after the concert's over, just to go out there and look at things. And
make a point and tell me, "Hey, bro, there's extra garbage on the block."
Then we'll send someone out there to pick it up. I don't have a problem doing
that as an extended courtesy um after the concert ends.
» Should the board grant this special permit, you're going to ask to be a good
neighbor. Second step. >> And there's my letter of
recommendations. I have neighbors that never complain about it. I I am I am I
they say there's garbage here, we take it out. Just the other day, a neighbor
called me up because, "Listen, I got water coming off my roof that's coming
into my thing." I spent $1,500 on the roof guy to come and fix the water to
divert somewhere else. I am part of the community. I have invested. I own the
building next door. I have three houses here.
I mean, I love Patchogue. Patchogue is is a great city. I mean, the town. I
love So, I have everything >> You said you own the building next door.
» The old Hand Don building? >> No, the pizza place.
» Okay. >> Completely completely
» pizza place. Yeah. >> Yeah.
» It's a florist. It's a florist. >> I was just
» Yeah, yeah. >> It's cute. That's what it is.
» Yeah. And then we also have a house on North Ocean Ave too.
» Jesus. >> So, I mean, like I said, I'm open to
suggestions. I can I can immediately put that into effect this weekend. Um so you
know, our neighbors down the block feels a little sense of security there doesn't
feel like anyone's getting get shot or or knifed while they're sitting there.
» to shut that up there. >> You know, we can make that happen.
» Great. Any other questions from members of the board, especially Miss
LaMontagne? >> I just have some quick questions in
regards to security. I know that you said you you would have one man for
every 50. So how many men does that usually like how many men do you usually
have for on security for a typical event?
» For what? >> I I I was beginning then you can figure
out. So we always go by uh ticket sales. So as leading up the weekend we'll have
a phone call with the promoter, with our
staff. So we do the bar tending scheduling and then and at that point
I'll say, "Hey Mike, uh the show is looking a little weak. We only got 300
tickets sold." And that's how he uh plans accordingly.
» There's some shows that you go in there and there's we have 30 securities. Yeah.
So it's it's we don't have one or two. I mean he can
contest to that. >> Yeah, they take extra precautions. We
brought additional members and then cut them after a couple hours. You know,
they they never mind putting on additional people just to make sure that
we have adequate people for any sort of capacity that we get. Cuz like they
said, we do get walk-ins as well as the resale tickets.
» And real quick just to confirm and so there's been a time where we do have
some extra walk-offs that we will hold people outside. So we'll let two in and
two out and not to go over capacity and not to overwhelm them because my main
concern for them I always tell them, "I want you guys to feel safe first." So if
you ever feel that there's too many people here and you're and you can't
control it, tell me I will hold the door until more people come in and around.
That to me that makes them >> And that might be a line that's outside,
but every other place in the in the town also have a line.
You know, so it's it it it secure.
» that line is not going to be, you know, maybe 10, 15, 20, 30 people waiting at
the time. That's what the lines will be at.
» So there's security inside and outside. >> Yes.
» The a lot of guests.
» There's There's capacity people that like spill over past our premises. We're
in a position to have someone outside just to mitigate any sort of public
relations or anything going on. Just so there's no people going in the street,
cause a disturbance or anything like that.
» And you said you were newly contracted? >> It's about 3 months already.
» Okay. Yes. >> What is capacity?
» 985. >> 95.
» And just so you know as well with the knives and gun situation, we
frisk every single person and go through every single bag. And right now we're
saving up to have a metal detector. Just so no one is there. But I can't control
what's going down on Main Street if someone, you know, how many times does
this does the police come and look for other people that are not even in our
place. >> No, that's
That's how I did it. >> It's very difficult to do.
» You can only control what you can control.
» Absolutely. >> And then like I said, on our block and
our block >> We can control it.
» At the end of the night, members of our staff and our security will don't have
any problem going up and down and just doing a quick glance over and making
sure that everything looks okay. >> And to clarify
what was stated, we don't take turns opening. The place next door operates on
its own and we operate on our own. You can't say, "Well, Stereo's open
today on Saturday and they're not." It's That's
» That doesn't exist. >> So I don't know what lease they're
speaking about because they open Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. This
Friday we're particularly not open. We're opening Saturday. I'm sure they're
open Saturday, too. So the side street dive is to the south
of you. That's 11 Railroad. That's 11. Is that the one with the beer garden?
» That is the outside bar. >> And just so you know, when you look at
the front of the building, if you don't mind, see the two stairs?
So this is >> We can't see. You can tell the people in
This is our entrance. This is their entrance. It looks identical.
» Okay. >> So these are two They're side by side
because before Emporium had both of them.
» And what our side of the VIP side >> This says we're further
» And then how you see the VIP entrance >> Right. So now both those entrances,
that's ours, that's theirs. >> And I used to be Burgology before I was
here. Yes, >> Correct.
» What's the even cater >> So our side
» I know Burgology
Yeah, it's a fine. Okay. Any other questions from members of the
board?
Any other member of the public who would like to speak for or against?
Counselor, anything to add? >> No.
» Do you have anything else to add? >> No, not at this point.
» Thank you. >> Thank you.
» I'll take a motion on the uh >> Mr. Chairman, I move to close the
application and move it to our decision. >> Motion made by Mr. Salant to close the
application, seconded by Mr. Colley. All in favor?
» Aye. >> Aye. None opposed. We're closed.
» Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you, gentlemen.
» Yes, thank you so much. >> Thank you so much.
» Thank you. >> It's
uh the New York State law is that we have 62 days to render a decision. It's
practice of this board to move much quicker than that.
» Okay. >> Thank you.
» Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for your time.
» Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> It's been a pleasure.
Uh I I I should say the ruling Uh there is one more
back here. That we have We have All right. That's closed in half, right?
Okay, great. I'll take a motion on tonight's meeting.
» Mr. Chairman, I move to close tonight's meeting.
» Motion made by Mr. Colley to go home, seconded by Mr. Salant. All in favor?
Aye. We're closed.