[0:00] I think it's a good idea.
>> So, we're going to ask.
[0:03] » Please rise for the Pledge of
Allegiance.
[0:07] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America, and to the
[0:12] Republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:17] liberty and justice for all.
[0:26] Good evening, everyone, and welcome to
the August 18th, 2016 meeting of the
[0:30] Patchogue Village Zoning Board of
Appeals.
[0:33] The first application
will be a new application at a 20
[0:39] » Uh, sorry.
>> Yeah, it's okay.
[0:43] 20 Medford Ave LLC seeks permission to
demolish an existing multi-tenant office
[0:47] building and construct a two-story motor
vehicle sales building.
[0:50] Going on Leaf 435-28-13,
special permit is required for motor
[0:55] vehicle sales.
It lies Leaf 435-33,
[1:00] the parking stalls are required 9 by 20,
provided 9 by 18 for display vehicles.
[1:06] Also requires Leaf 435-31-A8,
105 parking spaces required, provided
[1:12] 46.
Subject premises are located in the D1
[1:16] business zone.
Is the applicant or representative
[1:19] thereof?
[1:26] Welcome.
>> Good evening.
[1:30] » Kindly state your name and address for
the record.
[1:33] » Eric Crew.
>> Thank you.
[1:34] » And you have a certificate of that up?
>> Yep.
[1:38] » Yes.
>> J. Timothy Shay, Jr. Shapell & Down, 100
[1:42] Motor Parkway, Hauppauge, New York, for
the applicant.
[1:45] Joined by Mike
Biancaniello, who is senior grade there
[1:50] He's the site engineer.
Who may come up if there's any questions
[1:54] that I can't answer. And Ethan Schuss.
He's going to have to say it. I I had it
[1:59] before. Robert Shikowski.
Yeah, he was our traffic and parking
[2:03] engineer and who did the parking for the
parts of the the application.
[2:09] Uh
We have an easel, but we could not make
[2:13] the third leg work. So, I apologize. I
just hope
[2:17] » So, we have a two easel.
>> Yes, we have a a perspective of
[2:22] So,
uh
[2:24] So,
I'll just leave it here and hope that
[2:26] you can see it and then I'll lift it up
to you as I go along with you.
[2:29] » Yeah, we can wonder if members of the
public can see it. So,
[2:32] we have an easel in the building.
Uh
[2:36] Oh, ours is broken.
[2:40] So,
We're doing great, Jim, aren't we?
[2:43] » We take our two legs.
[2:46] Okay, here we are.
Uh so,
[2:50] » Uh let's see. Members of the board, if
that board was here,
[2:55] then you guys see it?
>> This first board is really just so that
[2:59] you get an idea of what the rendering
would be.
[3:02] » Okay, if you could if you could just
turn it to the public as well.
[3:09] » I'll just have you take take a quick
look at it because I don't think it was
[3:12] in your original package.
Uh to give you a visual, you know,
[3:15] sometimes a picture is worth a thousand
words.
[3:18] Uh so, we feel that would be one of
those times. Uh so, the the site in
[3:21] question is uh
former Long Island Bank, aka the
[3:25] building on the west side of 12 Boston
Post Road in that avenue.
[3:29] Um
two
[3:32] lots north of Concord Highway
is the Commerce former Commerce Bank, TD
[3:37] Bank, which is directly south of us. The
glass store will be directly north of
[3:41] us.
The current building on the site is
[3:44] 16,212
uh feet on a single story. So, that's
[3:49] the whole footprint. So, the footprint
takes up a
[3:51] large part almost 1/3
of the building's in fact a little bit
[3:55] over 1/3 of the of the property side
which is 41,002
[4:00] sq ft.
The property feeds on B1 which would
[4:05] allow for a special exception for the
car dealership.
[4:09] The application before you is for the
special exception for motor vehicle
[4:12] sales
and two-part variances.
[4:16] One
for 46 stalls where 105 were required
[4:21] and the second is for the size 12 stalls
that will be located along the street
[4:27] frontage
as vehicle display. Those are going to
[4:30] be
small park parked cars that will remain
[4:35] there so that people can come and
actually see the car possibly test drive
[4:39] it.
And those will be along the street
[4:41] frontage at
on 112. The variance is instead of a 9
[4:47] by 20 stall, we're looking for a 9 by 18
stall. These cars are not going to be
[4:53] moving very often. They're going to be
there for display and when we do test
[4:59] drives, they're going to have obviously
have a sales person there to watch the
[5:02] vehicles out and make sure there's no
issues.
[5:06] The proposed building which I
showed you running up is a two-story
[5:10] building
with a open ceiling to the front. Okay,
[5:14] so you'll have like a
large glass window up front
[5:18] and there will be within the footprint
that we probably create
[5:24] that uh
with the awning.
[5:29] Okay.
Okay, which is in your packet. Okay,
[5:32] which is in your packet.
[5:36] This is the floor plan.
I'll show it to the audience
[5:39] momentarily.
So, the larger of two footprints is the
[5:43] ground floor.
And the ground floor will have cars
[5:46] inside up front.
And then there's a reception area,
[5:50] lounge area,
office space for sales including a sales
[5:55] manager, restrooms,
uh
[5:57] and again, the the front half of the
building is actually going to be open
[6:02] air. It's going to go to the almost the
same ceiling, not quite.
[6:06] And
uh
[6:07] it gives better lighting and a better
visual when you walk in. And you it's
[6:10] the typical car dealership uh template
of these days. The second floor will be
[6:16] in the back above the
downstairs offices, there will be
[6:20] upstairs offices uh for the accounting
department, which will be approximately
[6:25] four to five people,
file cabinets, controller's office,
[6:29] conference room,
uh
[6:32] break room for people who uh you know,
have lunch or whatever, restrooms, etc.
[6:38] So, uh give you an idea of what we're
looking at here as far as inside the
[6:42] building.
That is
[6:45] And if you show this to
people right here that want to take a
[6:48] look at it, please feel free to come up
and take a look at it as far as I'm
[6:51] concerned. It's
open book.
[6:53] Uh
So, the current site
[6:57] use utilizes an easement to the north
uh for their driveway access. Actually,
[7:02] their curb cut is north of their
property line.
[7:05] Uh
in doing title we determined that that
[7:08] really wasn't shouldn't be the way it
should be. And what we ended up doing
[7:13] was working with New York State DOT to
move that curb cut a little to the south
[7:18] to our property line. And the site plan
will have a single circulation around
[7:23] the building with circulation up front.
So, you'll have the 12 stalls along the
[7:27] street frontage around 112, which is
part of the variance.
[7:33] And
by doing all that we've done, we've
[7:36] actually resulted in reducing the
footprint of the building
[7:41] by 57%.
So, it's gone from a 16,000 square foot
[7:46] building down to a footprint of about
7,000 ft.
[7:51] The site will not be used for automotive
repair. I think that's a very important
[7:55] distinction here.
Um or the storage of motor vehicles
[7:59] including new motor vehicles other than
those that are on display.
[8:03] Our client has already purchased a
property um on Station Road in Yaphank
[8:09] which is 10 minutes away that they're
going to utilize for all of their car
[8:13] storage for their inventory.
Um we are in the process of site
[8:19] planning Town of Brookhaven.
Um
[8:22] the zoning is appropriate.
So, it will be granted in some form but
[8:28] we're very confident that that gives us
plenty of room for our our car storage.
[8:33] The other important part of that is that
there will be no car carriers delivering
[8:40] new cars to the site.
So, you won't have the same problems
[8:44] that
we all know happens with car dealers in
[8:48] that sometimes especially on 112 I've
heard
[8:51] that they go to the median and drop off
the cars and disrupt traffic that other
[8:56] dealers do not this one.
So, there will be none of that. If
[9:00] somebody wants to see a specific car
that is not located on the lot and they
[9:07] want to have
There is a a It's going to be a prep and
[9:11] storage facility. There will be
employees there. It's a phone call.
[9:16] We'd like you to bring the red Honda
Accord Hybrid down for a customer. They
[9:22] jump in the car and they will drive car
and it'll just be like any other
[9:25] passenger car coming down. There'll be
no car carrier on 112 to supply us.
[9:36] Let's see. I
With regard to the uh
[9:41] the parking variance with the number of
parking stalls.
[9:44] Um I think you had a similar hearing
with the former partner Al Silverpoint a
[9:48] while ago. Uh so
the village code of the Village
[9:53] Patchogue does not make differentiation
between different types of uses with
[9:57] regard to parking. It's one per 150 sq
ft throughout the village itself.
[10:03] Um
and not making differentiation for
[10:06] different types of uses. In this case
most towns have different formulas for
[10:11] different types of uses that range upon
the impacts that they've seen over past
[10:16] history.
Um the closest comparison I'll make is
[10:19] Town of Brookhaven because obviously it
abuts the Village Patchogue. Uh and in
[10:25] Town of Brookhaven the parking code for
car dealerships is one stall per 1,000
[10:29] sq ft.
And uh also an additional stall at one
[10:34] per 300 sq ft for employees.
Uh so this would mean if we were under
[10:39] the Town of Brookhaven code there would
be a base of 12 stalls under that
[10:44] 1,000 one per 1,000.
Um because it's an 11,000 sq ft building
[10:50] two stories.
Uh
[10:52] plus an additional 37 and 1/2 stalls
for the employees at the ratio of one
[10:59] per 300 ft.
And that would be 47 or 48 stalls
[11:04] depending on whether you want to round
up.
[11:06] We all know
we all round up when it's
[11:11] uh when it's to the benefit of the
village or the town.
[11:16] Still we're providing 46 stalls.
So under the Brookhaven Town bill the
[11:20] code we would have a very minor
variance.
[11:24] Um
and even if we didn't count the 12
[11:27] displaced stalls which we obviously
will be counting but again there's no
[11:33] differentiation in the village code. Uh
that would be we would still have 36
[11:40] stalls where 46, which would be
uh
[11:44] less than a 30% variance.
Um
[11:47] so we think that under the circumstances
and type of use we have that
[11:53] the the the relaxation with the number
of stalls and the percentage is in
[11:58] keeping with
the type of uses that we see on an
[12:01] everyday basis.
Uh under the village code code, the base
[12:06] would be 75 stalls with an additional 30
for peak employment.
[12:10] Uh
so it drives to a 105 total stalls.
[12:15] Uh this would be a 56% variance, which
uh based upon prior uh hearings, it
[12:22] would appear to be within the range of
what the board has either previously
[12:26] felt comfortable with, uh although they
did not grant it on the prior
[12:30] application. It was within the decision
itself that they thought that if we
[12:35] blocked off a certain amount of square
footage to arrive at 56%,
[12:39] uh that the board viewed this more
favorably.
[12:42] Um
again, further
[12:46] the
town code and other codes don't
[12:50] necessarily take into account a
dealership without service.
[12:55] This is a very unique situation where it
will be only sales and no service.
[13:00] Um
[13:05] now I want to talk about the specific
with regard to the employees here
[13:09] because I think that's an also a very
important consideration when talking
[13:12] about parking variance.
Um
[13:15] in reality, there'll be 25,
approximately 25 people stationed at
[13:20] this particular site.
And there are shifts, and it will
[13:25] rarely, if ever, you'll ever see 25
people there at the same time as
[13:29] employees.
They have uh 12 sales people,
[13:34] four managers on different shifts,
five office staff that will be there
[13:39] Monday to Friday
with one person of the office staff
[13:44] coming in on Saturdays. And then they
have four BDC staff, which is the the
[13:50] scheduling, uh
calling to the scheduling people to come
[13:53] in to
either view a car or, more likely, to
[13:57] actually do their purchase. When they
come in and do all the paperwork, and
[14:00] they're they sign documents and they
actually purchase the vehicle.
[14:03] So, that that's 25 total.
Spoke to client today, he said, "More
[14:08] likely than not,
it'll be 20 or less on
[14:12] any particular time basis other than
maybe a shift change where you might
[14:16] have them for a very short period of
time together."
[14:19] Uh
[14:25] Let's see.
With regard to uh special permit,
[14:30] special exception, um
it's the the use is permitted in this
[14:35] zoning district.
Uh it's not going to uh
[14:39] prevent reasonable use of neighboring
properties. I would note for the record
[14:43] that
immediately behind this property, it's
[14:45] very unusual set of circumstances. To
the south and on Montauk Highway,
[14:50] there's a commercial center. Uh
looks like about seven or six retail
[14:56] spots with the parking in front.
They actually own a strip of land about
[15:02] 60 ft wide
going north and south all the way up
[15:06] to the North Roadway.
And so,
[15:11] that is
part of their commercial property.
[15:14] And they've actually fenced off
the portion of that property immediately
[15:20] behind this property. So, immediately to
the west, there's a fence from that
[15:27] property owner and then a fence going
east and west at the northerly part.
[15:34] Up here.
Sorry.
[15:38] Get you oriented with east and west. Um
so, that there's also a fence going this
[15:43] way east-west and a fence on this way
going east-west. So, it is kind of it's
[15:48] it's completely isolated and fenced off.
And as I said, it's in the title owner
[15:53] of the commercial property to the south.
So, there's really no residential
[15:58] neighbors immediately to the our rear.
>> So, it's not moving more west closer to
[16:04] the the residence over on
>> No, we are holding our property line.
[16:08] Our site plan stays exactly where the
Long Island fence
[16:11] » Okay.
>> development ends.
[16:14] » Okay.
>> Um
[16:18] It's within the character of the area.
There's already fellowship across the
[16:21] street, which we talked about if needed.
Uh
[16:25] We've worked with DOT with regard to
traffic and we're very close to having a
[16:32] curb cut highway work permit done. Most
of the technical aspects are are
[16:37] adhered to.
If you want our traffic consultant to
[16:40] talk about that further,
happy to do so.
[16:43] Um in this case, we've talked to the
village already. The
[16:48] Long Island Advance building is serviced
by septic.
[16:53] They're private owned.
We are proposing to hook up to the
[16:57] Village of Patchogue sewage treatment
plant. There's ongoing discussions
[17:01] between our site engineer and the
village engineer with regard to that.
[17:06] Um again, there is uh
no repairs going to occur on this
[17:10] property. So, won't be any
you know,
[17:15] materials produced, any noxious odors.
No
[17:19] It's going to close at normal business
hours.
[17:21] So, there won't be any nighttime noise.
Uh you're right on 112. Uh
[17:27] See what else.
[17:31] I think that based upon the evidence
that we provided that uh we have more
[17:35] than adequate parking for the site.
Uh
[17:38] not going to be any uh
This The building will be a
[17:43] state-of-the-art building. It will have
to be built
[17:46] uh pursuant to the 2026 International
Building Code. They just passed a new
[17:52] version of that.
Uh
[17:54] the drainage will have to be in
accordance with all village
[17:57] uh
requirements.
[17:59] Uh
Again, we shrunk the uh footprint of the
[18:04] building and the overall size of the
building, so there will be less crowding
[18:08] less crowding of land.
Uh and the plot area is sufficient for
[18:12] our use.
Uh
[18:15] As far as our knowledge, there's no
church, school, theater, or recreational
[18:17] area anywhere in the vicinity. And
certainly none that would be impacted by
[18:21] this.
Uh
[18:23] That covers all of the criteria with
regard to the special permit. And uh we
[18:28] would ask that you grant the
application. I'm happy to answer any
[18:31] questions that you may have.
>> Thank you, Tim. Thank you for your
[18:33] presentation.
Couple of thoughts here. One, what is
[18:37] happening to you the dealership across
the street?
[18:40] » So, I know what's coming up, but I
figured I'd let you ask the questions.
[18:43] Um
so, the dealership across the street is
[18:47] uh
right now undergoing a site plan. That
[18:51] is going to be
for repair
[18:54] and used car storage. Okay? So, there
will be used cars stored there.
[19:00] Hopefully, Allison will be here the next
hearing. She just had a conflict
[19:03] tonight, so I had to cover.
>> Uh And where's used car sales?
[19:06] » So, there There's one person on the used
car lot, maybe two,
[19:11] that out of those same 12. And they have
the same 12 people.
[19:16] Uh so that people don't ever have to
come back and forth. If somebody comes
[19:20] in
>> That's what we're worried about, back
[19:22] and
>> That's
[19:23] from the last hearing, from the looking
at everything, we knew that that was a
[19:27] major issue. And that we In fact, we
talked to Klein Brothers today, so that
[19:32] if there's somebody that says, I want a
used car, they're going to stay there.
[19:36] If they say, "Hey, I I really would like
a a new car." They can actually look on
[19:40] the computers at at the repair shop and
try and pick something out. If perchance
[19:46] they wanted to
uh uh see one of those cars, we would
[19:50] bring it from
the new car dealership
[19:54] to the used car dealership. But it
again, it it's going to be a very
[19:59] minuscule amount.
Um we don't anticipate that there'll be
[20:03] a lot of that uh
that kind of thing cuz you you really if
[20:06] you find if you want to come and get a
new car, you made a plan.
[20:10] You know, you you kind of know what you
want. You're going to the to the
[20:14] dealership. So, those people
that are going to be shopping for new
[20:19] cars are going to go directly to the new
car dealership.
[20:23] Um
>> Okay. And then this application is only
[20:26] concentrating the 20 Methuen Ave.
>> This is only for 20.
[20:29] » Has nothing to do with Clearview or the
last or anything anything like that?
[20:33] » No.
>> Okay.
[20:33] » No.
>> Any good questions on the board?
[20:37] One?
[20:39] Oh, I'm sorry.
>> I have a question.
[20:41] » Oh, switch your mic.
[20:45] » I can't even say the right name.
[20:50] » Testing.
>> Yeah, thanks.
[20:52] » You failed, Faith.
[20:57] » Uh a question about the used car car
dealership. Would that be like a Honda
[21:00] certified Toyota?
>> It will it will be mostly Honda
[21:03] certified. They will take other the
Be honest, I bought a I bought a new
[21:09] Honda.
And but I traded in an older car, a
[21:12] different car. So,
uh
[21:14] yeah.
So, if they will take a trade-in.
[21:17] » But they're associated with each other
as one company.
[21:19] » Yeah. Yes, and and it will be
the same owners.
[21:23] » And it is the same people.
>> It will still be Baron.
[21:26] Both sides.
It'll be Baron.
[21:30] So, you'll have somebody to point the
finger at if you ever have a problem.
[21:33] And Carol has my phone.
She knows how to get me.
[21:38] » Okay.
Any other questions from members of the
[21:41] board? Mr. Lamstein.
>> Um the 11,251
[21:46] square feet that we're using for the
parking calculation.
[21:49] » Yes.
>> That's the ground floor area, correct?
[21:52] » No.
The uh the footprint is about 7,000
[21:56] square feet, a little more than 7,000
square feet. I was doing the rough math
[22:01] earlier today.
It's 92 by 75, and then there's a little
[22:06] out, which would be 6,700 square feet.
That's the main part, and there's a
[22:10] couple of little out jogs, which I
estimate can't be a total of more than
[22:15] 300. So, the 11,000 also includes the
second floor office space.
[22:20] » Okay, cuz the uh site plan C301
indicates that it's the ground floor
[22:25] area, the GFA.
>> That's gross floor area.
[22:29] » That's gross floor area. That's the
entire building. That's not the gross
[22:31] » Gross. Okay, got it. Got it.
Just making sure.
[22:35] » You got to be scared there for a second.
>> You looked confused.
[22:38] Okay, we're good. Okay, so gross.
>> Yes.
[22:41] » All right, got it.
[22:48] Um
[22:51] » I think that was pretty good.
>> Yeah.
[22:54] » Any other questions from members of the
board?
[22:59] Let me folks, excuse us one second.
Any member of the public who would like
[23:03] to speak for or against this
application?
[23:12] You better state your name and address.
[23:16] What's your name?
>> Hi. So, I just said want to clarify. So,
[23:20] this strip of land
that was this which which was a
[23:24] disputed not too long ago on another
another application. That's not
[23:30] » impacted by at all.
And I recall that the A&E Auto strip
[23:34] because that's what A&E Auto had to do
back in the day. I think it was 1980 or
[23:39] 81.
>> Okay.
[23:40] » And that piece goes from that shopping
center all the way to Oakwood.
[23:44] » Right. Right.
>> No, it's not part of this covenant.
[23:46] » Okay. So, this
>> The covenant is in it. And A&E Auto had
[23:50] to do that at the time, by the way.
>> Right. I was just saying although it's
[23:53] tempting to think they could be
they could solve some of these issues. I
[23:57] remember Mr. Russo saying you know,
along with the covenants.
[24:00] » Well, there was John Russo with me then.
That was to protect the people on that
[24:04] back street, Grove Avenue. They were
concerned. They Remember they they
[24:07] didn't want to see the lights.
You know, and everything else. So, uh
[24:13] » Okay. So, this
>> Yeah, they got to keep that buffer.
[24:17] » So,
they have 46 spots seven of this and
[24:22] they need how many actually under the
law?
[24:24] » According to the Drake Village parking
lot code
[24:27] 8105.
>> Which is a what? 50
[24:30] » 52.
>> Okay. So, traditionally that's not a
[24:33] figure that the board has just handed
out to any applicant in the past that
[24:36] I'm aware of.
>> Yep. Not at all.
[24:39] » Um
However, you know, let's go back to the
[24:42] Waverly Avenue
application.
[24:45] There, if I can get this correct in my
mind, the traffic engineer both the
[24:51] independent one and the one from the
applicant
[24:55] was able to prove
that even though their numbers were
[25:01] high, actually
the
[25:04] parameters of the law
>> All right.
[25:07] » So, my question here would be, does that
exist in this application? So, we have
[25:10] » You're probably going to ask the traffic
engineer to at least collaborate that.
[25:13] Okay.
But,
[25:15] uh what they are saying and their
discussion and what they put on the
[25:19] record was is that
in the town of Brookhaven,
[25:23] they are real close
to what this building required if it
[25:27] wasn't a village code and we would adopt
the town code, the relief, if any, would
[25:33] be minimal.
>> Right.
[25:34] » So, the town feels that the the piece
works.
[25:38] Just our code, that's what we do.
>> Right. That's we're not in the town.
[25:41] » We're not in the town. We are the
village.
[25:43] » The village of Patchogue.
So, just keep that in mind.
[25:47] All right. So, that's That's my only
thinking about this is if if we get be
[25:52] consistent with that decision and get
some information that this actually
[25:56] meets it, somehow does fit the
requirements, and you can give them 52%
[26:01] or whatever it is,
>> Yeah.
[26:02] » then it makes sense because obviously it
looks like they have a nice building.
[26:06] Um
the improvement is usually
[26:10] um so, there's there's nothing really to
object to say in that sense.
[26:14] And it's that much of much of the
traffic engineer.
[26:17] » Yeah. Um we're going to get that
clarified. But, thank you. Thank you for
[26:20] that job.
[26:22] Any other member of the public who would
like to speak for or against the
[26:26] application?
>> Well,
[26:28] » Mr. Shave, you can just come up and if
you can bring the Do you have a traffic
[26:31] gentleman with you?
>> No, absolutely. And apparently he has
[26:33] parking for the meeting. I forgot to
hand in that he can hand
[26:37] » Here you go. Thank
Correct corroborates that.
[26:41] » Well, at least we claim it corroborates
what we said.
[26:43] » You can hand that and we can take
Unless you want a job here, too.
[26:48] » I need the exercise.
>> If you could so nice to state your name
[26:50] and address for the record.
>> Sure.
[26:52] Ethan Cikowsky
with TPD Engineering, offices at 275
[26:57] Broad Hollow Road, Melville, New York.
>> Welcome.
[27:00] » Thank you.
Uh
[27:01] so yes, we did do a a traffic and
parking study at uh for the subject
[27:06] development, specifically for this
application at 20 Bethpage Avenue.
[27:12] Um
[27:14] Specifically as it relates to the
parking, uh
[27:17] I will first of all collaborate with
uh
[27:21] uh Mr. Shay said about the town code. I
looked into those areas myself and and
[27:25] and agree with everything that he said.
Uh but we also look at when we do
[27:30] traffic studies, we look at the actual
parking demand for any given use. Uh as
[27:35] he as you may know, um we typically use
the Institute of Transportation
[27:40] Engineers uh parking generation manual.
Uh they publish parking generation
[27:45] studies uh conducted uh for a variety of
uses.
[27:49] We use that empirical data to uh
uh project what uh the parking demand
[27:55] would be at any given use.
Uh
[27:58] For this, we look at land use code 840,
automobile sales new. Uh we found that
[28:04] for the size of this particular center,
it would be um
[28:08] a peak demand of 26 parked cars uh
really at the midday.
[28:12] Um
you know,
[28:14] it's a dealership, so people are going
in the afternoon, on their lunch breaks,
[28:18] and you know, on Saturdays. We closer to
the midday on Saturday or the weekend.
[28:23] Um
We find that reduces the traffic demand
[28:27] on the
uh commuter peak hours, the morning and
[28:30] evening peaks compared to other users,
uh especially the the current use, which
[28:34] is a office building, and it's going to
have a peak traffic demand uh during
[28:38] this commuter peak hours. Um
So so based on our research and and
[28:43] reviewing the the data published by the
Institute of Transportation Engineers,
[28:47] we find that there's sufficient parking
on site
[28:50] to accommodate the demand, especially
given that there's no auto service
[28:55] facilities at this particular location.
Many of the studies do that point
[29:00] recently.
[29:03] Happy to answer any questions.
>> Yeah, and if it's not a purview of this
[29:08] board, the in the egress, you know, the
in and the out type of thing.
[29:12] » Yes.
>> But you don't feel that there'll be any
[29:14] increased traffic as a result of this?
Uh it's going to be everything or every
[29:19] bit of what the
office building does now.
[29:22] » Correct. And actually, we in our
calculations, we found a reduction in
[29:25] traffic for those those peak hours in
the morning, the commuter peak hours,
[29:29] you know,
morning and evening. It's actually less
[29:32] traffic. You just have a few employees
coming in for their shift. And those,
[29:37] you know, customers are coming more in
the afternoon hours.
[29:40] Um
We also have
[29:43] uh
uh submitted the official New York State
[29:46] Department of Transportation cuz they is
their purview, the the curb cuts there.
[29:50] Uh they don't have any issue with our uh
redesign of of the curb cuts. We're
[29:56] working out some technical comments
about the permitting
[30:00] and the type of pavement to use, that
sort of thing. But
[30:03] but no concern from the OIT.
>> Got you.
[30:08] Any questions from the board?
Reasonable.
[30:13] Mhm.
No.
[30:15] » All right.
>> Thank you. I thank you for your time. I
[30:18] appreciate it.
>> Appreciate it.
[30:19] » Yes.
[30:22] Any other questions from members of the
board?
[30:24] » I just want to clarify.
>> Go ahead, please.
[30:27] » Um I know the parking variance
uh you guys are saying you're providing
[30:32] 46 stalls. I just want to point out that
there's 12 more in addition to that for
[30:38] the vehicles that are part of the
showroom, right? So, there technically
[30:42] there's 58 spaces really on the site.
>> Yes.
[30:45] » Correct? I just want to clarify with
that part of it. So, it the
[30:49] » You kind of looking at the way it was
laid out.
[30:51] » Yeah, the way it was worded worded out
and like it was the other way. I just
[30:54] wanted to clarify that it was 50 Yeah,
58 spaces. So, the 46 50.
[31:00] » Thank you for the clarification.
Mr. Boyd?
[31:04] Any other comments from the public?
Johnson?
[31:08] » No, no questions.
>> Anything else you have to say?
[31:11] » No.
>> Take a motion on the applications.
[31:16] Ms. LaMonte?
>> I make a motion that we close the
[31:18] application and move it to our decision.
>> Motion made by Ms. LaMonte to close the
[31:21] application, seconded by Mr. Stein. All
in favor? Aye. Anyone opposed? So
[31:25] closed. Thank you, gentlemen.
>> Thank you.
[31:27] » Glad to be of help.
You as well.
[31:42] Okay, on the adjourned applications.
26-10.
[31:49] Carlos Carlos Formella, 65 Maple.
Is the applicant or any representative
[31:55] thereof?
No?
[31:58] Take a motion on adjourning 26-10.
>> Mr. Chairman, I move to leave the
[32:04] adjourned application 26-10.
>> Repeat that motion, please.
[32:08] » First of all, we're meeting.
>> Motion made to
[32:11] adjourn 26-10 to a September meeting,
seconded by Mr. Meade.
[32:15] I first by Mr. Stein, seconded by Mr.
Meade. All in favor? 26-10 is moved.
[32:20] 26-13.
Messiah Julia, 26 Shore Road.
[32:25] Uh is Messiah Julia or a representative
thereof here?
[32:30] No?
Take a motion on the application.
[32:33] » Mr. Chairman, I move to leave the
adjourned application 26-13 to our
[32:37] September meeting.
>> Motion by Mr. Stein, seconded by Mr.
[32:40] Megs. All in favor? I. Motion approved.
Okay, only leaves one left. We're good.
[32:46] The next application will be 2618, AB
Management Group.
[32:50] Doing business as Stereo Garden, 9
Railroad Avenue, speaks a special permit
[32:55] renewal.
Where night club cabaret used to port
[32:58] 3541A1.
Subject premises in the T3 zone.
[33:05] » How are you?
>> Thanks for having us.
[33:06] » Welcome. See you again and
now we wait for certificates, right? Do
[33:10] you have them?
>> I have them right here.
[33:12] » All right, there we go.
[33:23] Great, have them. Thank you.
>> All right, so good.
[33:27] Thank you.
[33:32] » And if you'd be so kind as to state your
name and address to the record.
[33:36] » My name is Juan Carlos Novarro for AB
Management DBA Stereo.
[33:41] » Juan Carlos, okay.
And you are?
[33:45] » I'm Paula Novarro.
>> Welcome.
[33:49] Okay.
Now,
[33:51] so you have a special permit now for a
night club and a cabaret.
[33:56] » Correct.
>> Tell us why you think we should do the
[34:00] renewal.
>> Well, we've been here for 7 years and
[34:04] and we've we've had a almost
excellent clean record with almost every
[34:08] aspect of either fish PC, PSA,
SLA,
[34:13] even even members of our own community
have letters of recommendation there
[34:18] that support us, that
love being us there. We feel like we
[34:22] contributed a lot to the actual village.
I think we're you know, we're we run a
[34:27] very clean operation. I also brought the
head of my consulting security with me
[34:32] that can also go over all the new
policies. procedures that we we have
[34:36] been doing for the past year and moving
forward.
[34:39] Um
you know, we we're not a we're not
[34:43] young promoters. You know, we're
business people that are invested in the
[34:47] city, in the town. We own the Flores
building next door. We have another
[34:51] house in the village. So, we're
committed to the town. Um so, we have
[34:56] every
intentions of seeing it grow and and and
[34:59] and not bringing
uh you know, the improper crowd to the
[35:03] town. So, that's where where we're very
into it with our business. We're there
[35:07] every day.
Um we work our events.
[35:11] Me and my wife, almost 90% of our events
we're always there.
[35:15] Um we do tons of banquets for the
community also, not just for that. And
[35:19] helped would help with the with the
nightclub, we're able to do a lot of
[35:23] special events for
uh charity events also that we do a lot
[35:26] of also in in our place. Um which we
take great pride in. And she sits on the
[35:30] board
uh for a couple of other um
[35:33] events that we do in with special needs
kids. And what you know, we're we're
[35:36] we're we're into it with the with the
community. So, we have an invested
[35:39] interest in here. So, we're we're doing
a good job and I feel that we should be
[35:42] able to renew our license. We have uh
a a good clean record and we're very
[35:46] proud cuz we work hard for it.
>> Now, if I think goes back into time, you
[35:51] do know that this used to be Emporium.
They operated as a nightclub every day.
[35:59] We don't operate as a nightclub every
day.
[36:01] We do concerts. We do special events. We
do banquets. So, we would like to keep
[36:08] our license.
However, we do not
[36:12] do what Emporium did or what Stereo
Garden. We purchased the name Stereo
[36:18] Garden 7 years ago. Stereo Garden was
before
[36:22] um
so, it is very different and it's run
[36:25] very differently. Back then, they needed
that license to function on an everyday
[36:31] because that's who they brought to the
village.
[36:34] We're very different.
>> Uh
[36:37] Juan and Paula
What you have now is a nightclub
[36:43] and a cabarets.
>> Correct.
[36:45] » All right.
So, we as board members would assume
[36:49] that that's that quiet night.
You're going to a nightclub. You're
[36:53] going to a cabaret.
Maybe there's a
[36:58] a band of some sort, a singer. People
are relaxing. Things are good.
[37:04] Things like
the martial arts. Is that held in your
[37:07] building?
>> Yes.
[37:08] » Yes.
>> We I am part owners of Flex Fights that
[37:12] we do about 20 shows around the country.
We also got picked up by Syndicated in
[37:17] all of Latin America. It is an MMA
company that we do the events there and
[37:22] we also do Strong Island Fights, which
is amateur boxing there that we do for
[37:27] children.
>> For children. Also, they come in and
[37:29] little kids that don't want to want to
be pro, they start in the amateur
[37:32] amateur world. We do a lot. It's a
family event. It's a family event. Okay.
[37:36] Yeah.
>> They're all ages. So, there's children
[37:39] » I'm just going to read one letter. This
is We have several here.
[37:42] » Yes.
>> Uh this is dated May 22nd, 2026. You
[37:47] know, ladies and gentlemen of the
Patchogue Village Zoning Board.
[37:50] My name is Christopher Sciarra. I'm the
director of the Patchogue Ambulance
[37:53] Company. I'm writing to you today
concerning the ongoing issue Patchogue
[37:57] Ambulance is having as 9 real weather.
On several occasions over the last 3
[38:01] years, Stereo Garden has hosted mixed
martial arts fighting tournaments.
[38:05] Currently, for these fights to take
place, they must have two ambulance
[38:08] crews on standby. One for the fight and
one to transport any fighters that the
[38:13] fight doctor determines must go to a
hospital. As far as the Patchogue
[38:17] Ambulance is aware, there have been
three of these fights in the last 3
[38:20] years, all of them on Saturday nights.
With two of these fights, neither Stereo
[38:24] Garden nor Flex Fights promoter Flex
Fights informed the ambulance company
[38:28] that these events were occurring. And
further, they contacted outside EMS
[38:32] agencies to stand by for these fights.
However, they did not arrange for
[38:36] transport ambulance or advise Patchogue
Ambulance that these fights were
[38:40] occurring.
The result on both the cases were the
[38:42] fighters needed to be transported
transported. The standby EMS crew called
[38:47] 911. We were all obligated to respond to
Nitro after a trauma
[38:52] injury and transport these fighters to
the hospital.
[38:55] At the most recent event, the promoter
originally contacted us to do the
[38:59] transport, but then canceled
uh the request a week prior to the
[39:04] event. As a result, we canceled our
standby. And when the fight began, we
[39:07] were called to respond via 911, which
stretched our district coverage for
[39:12] Saturday night.
As you are surely aware, Patchogue
[39:15] Ambulance is always very busy on
Saturday nights. These events stretch
[39:18] our resources, and we become easily
overwhelmed if we are not prepared.
[39:23] Uh if we've been notified of these
events
[39:25] events in advance, we would have
arranged for standby and a transport
[39:28] ambulance. Since this is very non a
for-profit event, we would have charged
[39:34] a nominal fee that is commensurate with
the
[39:37] local EMS standard practice policy.
The chiefs and the board of directors of
[39:41] the Patchogue Ambulance company feel
that Stereo Garden
[39:45] or the promoter Flex Fights must notify
us no less than 2 weeks prior to any
[39:50] future fight events, so we can ensure
that there is adequate EMS coverage for
[39:54] the event
for the rest of our protection district.
[39:58] Should they choose to hire their own
standby transport ambulances, we must
[40:02] likewise be advised of who will be
providing the coverage.
[40:05] Any assistance you can provide
to the uh to the business to cooperate
[40:09] with us for any future fighting events
is greatly appreciated.
[40:12] All right. So, this is the thoughts
now uh
[40:15] Patchogue Ambulance.
>> That is uh 100% correct.
[40:20] » Okay.
>> And that one was addressed on the last
[40:24] event which I was not aware of because
we always dealt with the same
[40:27] uh company that we always dealt with.
>> And we hired medicine.
[40:30] » And now we have hired a company that's
called medicine and that place is that
[40:34] they are the ones who are strictly
ambulance provider and they almost they
[40:39] like uh a wholesaler for ambulances. So,
what they do is that they go into towns
[40:44] and they lock up if you're having a
event at Master Square Garden, they
[40:47] supply to that event. Here they supply.
So, now they are taking and uh
[40:51] coordination on it and he is in contact
with um with her also. He met her that
[40:55] night there and to make sure that that
never happened again because that was it
[40:59] it jams us up because what happens, I'm
not sure if you understand why this is
[41:03] not good for us either, is it that the
show cannot start again
[41:08] if there's not a second ambulance on
site.
[41:10] » It's frozen.
>> It's we freeze. So, the So, that
[41:14] ambulance leaves, goes to Stony Brook
because for whatever reason, the whole
[41:18] show is on standby. It stops and then we
also have airing rights that we are have
[41:22] pay-per-view shows that are time
commitment so that jams us all up and
[41:26] you know, tremendously. So, when we had
this issue,
[41:29] we tried to nip it 100% and then and we
hired another company that's doing that.
[41:34] » Okay.
>> Because the time is
[41:36] I'm sorry to finish is 11:00 p.m.
And so, we want to finish the whole show
[41:42] by 11:00 p.m. So, when that ties it
back, it delays us a little bit.
[41:46] » Okay.
Uh if you would indulge me, I just want
[41:49] to read these next two into it and then
we'll go over everything, okay?
[41:53] Uh the next one is from a Tiffany
Spiffy, it looks like August 17th, 2026.
[41:59] To whom it may concern, and I'm sure it
could be the
[42:02] uh Patchogue Village Johnny Got the
Feels. I'm writing as a resident of the
[42:05] Village of Patchogue to respectfully
express my concerns regarding the
[42:08] renewal of the Summer on the Green
permit and the impact that its late
[42:12] night events have had on those of us who
live in the surrounding neighborhood. I
[42:16] want to begin by saying that I
understand and support the importance of
[42:19] local businesses being able to operate
and succeed in our community. My concern
[42:24] is not with Stereo Garden simply
conducting business, rather it's with
[42:27] the late night noise and disturbances
associated with some of its events,
[42:32] particularly during work and school
week.
[42:35] The noise and activity associated with
Stereo Garden continued into the very
[42:39] early morning hours. This includes loud
music as well as patrons outside
[42:43] yelling, arguing, creating disturbances
as they leave the establishment.
[42:47] Unfortunately, once an event ends, the
disruption does not necessarily end with
[42:51] it.
Residents are still affected by the
[42:54] activity taking place outside and
throughout the surrounding neighborhood.
[42:58] For many of us, Sunday through Thursday
are work and school nights. Some
[43:01] residents must wake up early
to go to work and families have children
[43:05] who need to wake up for school. I
personally have a significant commute to
[43:08] work and need to be able to sleep at a
reasonable hour to safely travel and
[43:12] perform my job.
Being kept awake in the early morning
[43:16] hours creates a very real hardship. For
that reason, I respectfully ask the
[43:19] board to consider placing reasonable
restrictions on Stereo Garden's permit.
[43:24] Ideally, the nightclub style events
should not take place Saturday Sunday
[43:28] through Thursday. However, if events are
permitted on those nights, I think they
[43:32] should be required to end no later than
midnight with appropriate measures in
[43:36] place to ensure music and that.
I'm not asking for unreasonable
[43:40] restrictions on a local business. I'm
asking for reasonable balance between
[43:43] business and the right to people who
want to live peacefully, enjoy their
[43:48] homes, sleep, and raise their families.
There is more here. I'm just going to
[43:53] sign that off as uh
sincerely Tiffany Gonzalez and enter it
[43:57] into the record.
But there is a concern, which we will
[44:00] discuss in a few moments.
[44:03] The next letter
is from a Chelsea Wallace.
[44:09] I'm sorry?
Okay, great.
[44:12] Uh it's made out to the Patchogue
Village Board of Trustees, uh to the
[44:16] mayor and members of the Village Board,
and now I guess to the CBA. I'm writing
[44:20] to respectfully oppose to be able to
grant permit to operate. I understand
[44:24] the property may have certain
grandfather rights in the Stereo Garden
[44:27] as previously permitted to operate at
this location. However, I respectfully
[44:31] ask the board to consider how the
business operates today and whether its
[44:35] current operations consistent with
representation paid to the village and
[44:40] the public when the business began
operating.
[44:43] In 2018,
the village expressed a strong expansion
[44:47] of nightclubs in Patchogue because of
legitimate concerns involving public
[44:50] safety, violent drunk driving, noise,
and the impact of late-night
[44:55] uh nightlife on surrounding
neighborhoods. Based on my experience
[44:59] living near Stereo Garden, its current
operation raises many of these same
[45:03] concerns. The owners publicly
represented that Stereo Garden is a way
[45:08] from the traditional nightclub model.
However, the business' own website
[45:12] references compliance with New York
State rules regarding nightclubs. The
[45:16] lease identifies permitted use as a
cabaret or catering event. In my
[45:20] opinion, the way the business operates
is significantly different from the
[45:24] traditional catering or venue. Stereo
Garden currently hosts late-night events
[45:29] featuring DJs, dancing, and live
entertainment that continue until
[45:32] approximately 3:00 or 4:00 in the
morning.
[45:34] The impact of these events is not
limited to the interior of the building.
[45:37] The music, bass, and vibrations can be
heard felt in nearby homes. The impact
[45:42] on the surrounding neighborhood also
extends beyond the noise. During events,
[45:46] parking becomes a significant problem
with attendees using nearby parking
[45:50] areas and residential streets, including
areas around Railroad Ave in Patchogue
[45:54] City. After events, garbage, bottles,
and other debris have been left
[45:59] throughout the neighborhood and my
property.
[46:04] I walk expressed serious disturbances
involving individuals leaving events,
[46:08] including screaming, fighting, property
damage, drug use, and urinating on my
[46:12] property. Attendees have left the venue
intoxicated, played loud music from
[46:17] their vehicles, repeatedly used their
horns to create a disturbances during
[46:21] the early morning
hours.
[46:24] I've contacted public safety on multiple
occasions regarding the problems
[46:27] connected to Stereo Garden events. Food
trucks and other late-night food
[46:31] operations have also remained outside
the business after events with activity
[46:35] continuing to the early morning hours.
In my experience, the private security
[46:40] hired for these events is not
effectively prevented or addressed the
[46:43] problems occurring after people leave
the venue.
[46:47] They are not isolated concerns about a
single event. These are ongoing issues
[46:51] that have affected my family and the
surrounding neighborhood.
[46:56] I've also attempted to address these
concerns directly. On July 21st, 2026, I
[47:00] spoke with one of the owners about the
impact these events had on my family and
[47:04] property. I explained that my youngest
child has become scared by the loud
[47:08] noises and disturbances and has
expressed fear that someone could be
[47:11] shot. During this conversation, the
owner suggested that I should move out
[47:15] of my home.
The owner also laughed and stated that
[47:19] she should be shot first. I found these
responses disturbing and inappropriate,
[47:23] particularly after I was explaining the
fear and anxiety that these ongoing
[47:27] disturbances have caused my family.
I'm not asking the Village Board to
[47:31] prevent businesses from operating or
stop legitimate entertainment at the
[47:35] Bell Patchogue. I am asking the Board to
evaluate Stereo Garden based on its
[47:39] actual operation today,
rather than simply the description of
[47:42] the business when it first received
approval.
[47:45] A business that regularly operates late
into the early morning hours, features
[47:48] DJs, dancing, creates significant noise
and vibrations in nearby homes, attracts
[47:53] large crowds, creates parking problems,
leaves debris in the surrounding
[47:56] neighborhood that is associated with
repeated disturbances should be
[48:00] evaluated should be evaluated based on
the actual impact of its operation in
[48:05] the surrounding community. For these
reasons, I respectfully ask that the
[48:08] board deny the Stereo Garden's nightclub
cabaret permit.
[48:13] I have included a separate evidence list
identifying photographs, videos, records
[48:17] and complaints to public safety and
other documentation supporting the
[48:21] concerns described in this letter. I
respectfully ask the board to review the
[48:24] evidence when considering the renewal of
the Stereo Garden's permit.
[48:29] Additional document is a documentation
available on request. The village took
[48:33] action on 2018 because it recognized the
expansion of nightclub activity in
[48:38] negative negatively affect public safety
and the quality of life in community.
[48:42] I respectfully ask the board to apply
the same concern
[48:46] when evaluating the current operation at
Stereo Garden. Respectfully, Chelsea
[48:50] Lyons.
And there's also evidence here that will
[48:54] be put into the record.
And last but not least,
[49:01] Suffolk County Police Department.
And fairly extensive.
[49:07] Uh disturbances
uh
[49:12] I mean this
it it's just a lot of stuff going on
[49:16] here for somebody who's just got to go
sit at a small table
[49:20] at a cabaret and have a glass of wine.
So, would you kindly please explain
[49:26] how do we go from
a nightclub cabaret
[49:30] to
martial arts and concerts?
[49:36] » Well, you know, over the past 7 years,
roughly let's say we were doing one
[49:40] event a weekend.
You know, and and of course the year
[49:44] roughly around 350 to 400 events that
we've done in the past 7 years.
[49:49] RSLA records, State Liquor Authority, if
there's any issue with anything, they
[49:53] would be the first one to come suspend
my license if I had any kind of issues.
[49:57] Those police reports, a lot of them are
altercations, somebody comes out a
[50:01] little drunk, or somebody trips and
falls, or somebody is having a
[50:05] situation. In every night night
establishment on Patchogue Main Street,
[50:10] there's going to be situations. And we
try to limit as much as we can. We see
[50:14] somebody that's overserved, we stop
serving them. If somebody comes in, they
[50:17] look like they're intoxicated, you know,
we have a whole list of procedures that
[50:20] we follow inside our manual that we
have, the bartenders know, our security
[50:25] will has to what we're doing now to to
combat all these issues. And now also,
[50:30] when we also
end the show, we don't end the show
[50:34] abruptly at because we don't want that
flooding into the street. We've made a a
[50:38] deal with uh fifth precinct about that.
We've also made a deal with the
[50:42] uh the sound safety about that. So, what
we do is that we slowly turn the music
[50:46] down, we put the lights up, and people
start leaving in an in an orderly
[50:50] manner. Not everybody rushes to the
streets to avoid that cluster, that
[50:54] noise, and everything that's in the
street. And then also, concerned about
[50:57] the bottles in front, we send a cleaning
crew every night outside of front in the
[51:01] front of our area to clean up every
single debris and bottle and that
[51:05] situation. So, we do take care of the
front of it. We are very vigilant and
[51:09] concerned about our neighbors. This is
why on the weekdays
[51:12] I don't know how many how many shows we
don't do any I wish we did, but we don't
[51:16] do any shows only on a Thursday. And if
we do on a Thursday, we realize that it
[51:20] has to end by 11:00 12:00 because people
work on Friday. And we don't the Sunday
[51:24] shows that we do end at 12:00 too. We'll
do a day party if that's possible
[51:27] because we know people work. So, I'm not
sure during the weekends or weekdays
[51:32] what concern that that individual had
because if you look all of my calendars
[51:35] coming up, we don't have any weekdays
events.
[51:39] Um most of our shows are average between
two to three 400 people. If there's a
[51:43] large uh celebrity, we call them an
A-list celebrity, we'll deal with big
[51:47] pricing, and they will come in we call
them ahead of time they will either
[51:50] close the street off or they will put a
special car in front just to make sure
[51:54] that everything goes smoothly and then
the exit is properly just for example if
[51:58] you want to compare and ask them on the
last one we did this artist called A
[52:02] Boogie is a big time artist he has a lot
over 10 million followers he drawing a
[52:07] thousand people they came in did a great
job
[52:11] people came left had moved out no
incidents no other because the fifth
[52:15] precinct worked with us and we worked
with them there was no altercations
[52:19] outside there was nobody urinating or
any of it but this is what we try to do
[52:23] with that situation.
>> But the concern here is
[52:29] the special permit that was granted to
this boy did not say concert or call it
[52:34] did not say MMA
>> Well that's what the night club is for
[52:37] the night club well let let just say
concert well well let just say it's a
[52:40] it's an especially event venue place we
do events all type of events we'll do
[52:46] » Do we even have the decision
>> Yeah let's see the
[52:50] we want to see the permanent
>> I just want to see the MMA events here
[52:54] at 12:00
>> That is not that's
[52:56] » No I I understand that but people don't
go to a cabaret for an MMA event
[52:59] » Well it's it's
>> No no no no no we're we're altering what
[53:02] this boy originally did
>> it's an event space it's an event space
[53:06] it's a multi purpose event space that
has the capacity of holding special
[53:10] events like those concerts
>> on your here for renewal of our special
[53:14] permit
>> Right
[53:16] » I want to see please what the criteria
of that special permit was
[53:22] » Because Stereo Garden was always a
concert
[53:25] » night club
>> night club always so we are not the
[53:29] inventors of the wheel this wheel was
sold to us there was always concerts
[53:35] concerts have been there forever if you
go back in the records you will find how
[53:40] many artists have performed in Stereo
Garden. Pacha was known
[53:45] » words, you folks you folks are never
before us for a special permit. No, you
[53:49] were.
>> No.
[53:51] » Interesting.
>> So you're just going off of what they
[53:54] were doing
>> Yeah, but our our permit's usually 4 or
[53:56] 5 years. How long have you owned this?
Seven
[53:58] » Seven years.
>> By God, our permit the the largest that
[54:01] ever permit special permit I ever
granted was 5 years.
[54:05] » No one has came from the town at all
now.
[54:08] » When I purchased it, they gave me the
papers stating that it was
[54:11] done. And that No, no, no. This is going
to use it as a practice. This is a
[54:14] special permit.
>> No, I clearly understand that. Clearly
[54:17] understand that.
>> But this is this In other words, this
[54:20] time was the first time someone came up
to us. If there was something that we
[54:23] needed to do and renew, the town never
came to us
[54:26] » Well, we would have Please don't say
town. This is the village. Yeah. It's
[54:29] the village. Yeah. So, the first we
heard of it, we immediately addressed
[54:33] it. And this is why we're here.
>> That's exactly why we're here. But if we
[54:36] go back in time, you will see that
there's constant that were even before
[54:41] like since Emporium was I would even
before Emporium where Knights of
[54:46] Columbus was. So it's never changed. You
know, so the the idea that you're saying
[54:53] that, you know, you sit down, have a cup
of wine, and it's it's always been a
[54:56] concert. We have a professional stage
and sound system. That's how come I know
[55:01] that the sound it it is
inside the building.
[55:07] » All right, let me just see what counsel
says here.
[55:11] Yeah, what was it granted to, by the
way?
[55:14] » Stereo Garden.
>> Us.
[55:16] » BFG Entertainment.
>> That's who you purchased it from.
[55:19] » Mhm.
[55:23] » And this was in 2017.
>> Correct.
[55:30] » What was the the term for
>> I kept the council's reading it there.
[55:45] » These are the same.
>> So, what what did this board agree with?
[55:50] Cuz I can't find anything else.
Okay. Okay.
[55:55] Yeah, it looks like the minutes.
Can I at least get the minutes on any of
[55:58] these? Are they actual decisions?
[56:05] » There's a bunch of stuff like this.
[56:09] » All right. Let's go back to the clerk
for a minute.
[56:13] » It doesn't define the micro.
I didn't At the time our code defined
[56:18] the micro. It was
>> So, we go back to the old That was
[56:21] actually the
>> They doesn't They don't go into details.
[56:27] » Oh, sorry.
>> I have the old code just to look at.
[56:29] There's a lot of stuff like this.
[56:33] » Well, how about this?
Now, within special permit, pursuant to
[56:38] 435-21A1
A 435-21A5
[56:43] and such other applicable provisions of
this village code, shall be a period of
[56:48] 1 year
commencing from the date of the
[56:51] application. All right. So, this thing
expired in 2018.
[57:00] That's on the
We need to talk about the calendar.
[57:03] » Yeah.
We've sent that out in the last slide
[57:05] and we didn't get a response, but I
think
[57:08] we did get a response.
>> Yeah, yeah.
[57:09] » They did get a response.
[57:13] » Why is there a submission they got to
discuss a little bit?
[57:17] » We definitely had the deposition cuz
that was an old thing. Yeah.
[57:22] » Well, here's one that says the
submission by the applicant of a
[57:26] schedule of events
giving the village at least 1 month
[57:30] advance notice
of of what they are doing. It says
[57:34] the first day of each month during the
event period.
[57:37] » Yeah, nightclub.
>> Wow.
[57:39] Uh
[57:43] Procedures for handling violent
incidents. It says to drop it says he
[57:47] has that now.
Establishments receive their patrons in
[57:50] the after.
Okay.
[57:53] Cameras. Oh.
[57:56] Oh, this is on the inside. No DJs or
live music will be allowed on the patio
[58:01] except with the community-wide downtown
business events approved by the village.
[58:06] Such as a live after-party.
>> In our town.
[58:09] » We We have no speakers outside our
building. We have nothing outside.
[58:13] » Yeah, they cut that out.
>> Okay.
[58:15] » So that other side
>> It's a lot smaller than it was back
[58:18] then. It's a lot smaller than it
>> No, more important. Tell us
[58:22] Tell us
[58:25] What do you want to do there in keeping
with a cabaret
[58:30] and a nightclub type of thing?
I mean, do you ever open your doors just
[58:35] for people to come in and have a drink
as a nightclub?
[58:38] » No.
>> You don't. You're just a special event
[58:40] place.
>> No, we we we open we operate we charge
[58:43] at the door. We We open until 2:00 3:00
in the morning and we have dancing in
[58:50] our facility. So all those are covered
under the cabaret and nightclub.
[58:54] » Of course.
>> So So you So you do open without an
[58:58] event?
>> No. Only when an event.
[59:01] » So you have to actually You don't open
the doors and say like the rest of
[59:05] Patchogue, you know, open Thursday and
Friday come on in.
[59:08] » If we don't If we don't have any We
don't have a specific artist coming in
[59:11] we're not open. We don't have a banquet
or a special event we don't open.
[59:14] » That's why we don't
>> They're more of a music hall than a
[59:17] nightclub cabaret.
>> That's exactly it.
[59:21] » It used to change.
>> Yeah.
[59:22] » But you can certainly
You can certainly see how
[59:27] you know, it was always a thing.
[59:32] » two 300 people. You understand? And the
wedding might be finished at 11:00 at
[59:37] night.
>> 12:00
[59:40] That's what happened here. The use has
changed.
[59:44] » We had to grant the special permit. I
don't know about renewing one.
[59:48] » Right.
>> What was What was the original So,
[59:51] you're looking at the original special
permit?
[59:53] » Uh because uh things like
>> uh
[59:56] events are not
>> What What events like for example?
[1:00:00] Well
>> Like events Wait, because everything's
[1:00:02] called events.
>> Uh yeah, yeah. Like an MMA event is not
[1:00:05] something that
>> That's just That's just special We just
[1:00:07] want two shows a year. I mean, that's
that's something that simple that
[1:00:10] » Whatever it is
>> If you were to say uh Sir Garden cannot
[1:00:13] do the event as a part of MMA it'll be a
simple thing to knock off the card.
[1:00:17] That's not that's not that's not that's
not much of an issue for us.
[1:00:20] » Why? Because
we want to take the pressure off of
[1:00:23] things like the ambulance company.
>> the other complaints that we get.
[1:00:25] » And we And which the ambulance has been
has been addressing 100% fixed. Because
[1:00:30] not only with that
>> I don't know. The letter The letter is
[1:00:32] just dated from July. So, I guess
>> Yeah, that was the last event. That was
[1:00:35] the last event.
>> But and also just Justin, for instance,
[1:00:37] we also do wrestling.
And they bring a little ring and they do
[1:00:42] little people and they and they require
an ambulance also. So, we bring an
[1:00:45] ambulance for them.
>> Yeah.
[1:00:47] » Oh.
>> Because that's entertainment.
[1:00:50] » So So
>> I don't know if that reads.
[1:00:53] » That's not That's not
>> They brought it back again.
[1:00:55] » The fire is
>> That's it. That's hard to square with
[1:00:57] the night club.
>> That's it.
[1:00:58] » So, we had a definition of night club
back in those days. Right. And it
[1:01:02] basically is what you would imagine a
night club to be. It has to
[1:01:06] cover charge, you walk in, there's an
area for dancing, there's an area for
[1:01:10] the DJ, and yep.
>> We still have We still We We do that. We
[1:01:14] do that We do that 90% of our events.
So, that's what we do.
[1:01:18] » In a definition of valid event.
>> Well, I I I I that point I I see the
[1:01:22] point for the for the combat sports for
the combat sports things, but a lot of
[1:01:26] » baby showers
Yeah.
[1:01:28] » Yeah, that's good stuff.
I can see that.
[1:01:31] » of nightclubs all over Manhattan,
Queens, all of them are doing MMA
[1:01:37] » multiple
>> sports because that contributes to their
[1:01:40] bottom line.
And we And as us come not compared to
[1:01:44] everyone else on Main Street just
because we have a cabaret and a
[1:01:48] nightclub license, we can't have any
special
[1:01:51] liquor insurances. My insurance last
year was over $100,000 to cover my end.
[1:01:56] No one else on Main Street covers
$100,000 with insurance just to cover
[1:01:59] the liquor authority, assault and
battery, and everything else that comes
[1:02:02] along with everything that's done there.
>> And also when you spoken about, you
[1:02:06] know, everybody, it's really hard, you
know that the village
[1:02:11] had everybody leaving at the same exact
time between 1:30 and 2:00.
[1:02:16] It's very difficult for someone to say
that all the people that are leaving
[1:02:21] Stereo,
but not everywhere else like we had
[1:02:25] Meatball, like we had everywhere else,
Burgerology. It It is a Everybody leaves
[1:02:30] the village at that time. Very difficult
for you to say that it's everyone from
[1:02:34] Stereo that is leaving that is loud.
That is not quite fair to say because at
[1:02:40] that time I have been outside and I
don't know where all these people coming
[1:02:45] from. You know, the village has parking,
everybody's going into that back parking
[1:02:49] lot. Just because that parking lot is
behind our building, doesn't mean those
[1:02:53] people are coming. The majority of our
people, specially wedding, are limo,
[1:02:58] they're doing buses, you know, we we
have Ubers,
[1:03:02] » and the concerts they come they come for
concerts. A lot of we have Uber drop-off
[1:03:06] right in front of our place.
>> Uber drop-off is right in front of our
[1:03:08] facility because we tell people there is
no parking in the village. Please take
[1:03:13] an Uber. You know, we tried doing it
with the valet, but that didn't work out
[1:03:17] in the village, we were connected to
him. Now we say, "Please, you know, you
[1:03:23] need We even have the skew things for
people to take Ubers right out because
[1:03:28] we we know what the village parking
situation is, but everybody leaves at
[1:03:33] the same time. So, not fair to say."
>> So, so that Do you Do you Are there ever
[1:03:38] like Friday or Saturday nights that they
don't open to
[1:03:41] » Oh, no.
>> or have an event?
[1:03:43] » Yeah, unfortunately.
>> This Friday and this Saturday
[1:03:45] » I'm not rooting
>> Otherwise, we wouldn't be having major
[1:03:47] problems.
>> Right. I I I'm not rooting against you.
[1:03:49] » I know.
>> I'll give you a I'll give you a quick a
[1:03:52] quick list.
>> You This Friday This Friday we're not
[1:03:55] open. Next Friday we're not open.
>> Right. And that And that backs up the
[1:03:59] idea that that they Do we have a
definition of a musical in the code
[1:04:03] right now?
>> Are you a wedding venue or
[1:04:05] » We don't.
>> Definition of a wedding singer.
[1:04:08] » Yeah. Just what I came to ask. Carol, I
said if I could have what license the
[1:04:14] other
>> The 89 North House.
[1:04:17] » working under. And I I couldn't get it
on time, but to me I said, "You know,
[1:04:21] I'm trying to educate myself on what the
village sees on what the codes are." And
[1:04:26] I said, "They're operating They're very
similar to what we do. They're a smaller
[1:04:31] location, okay, on a side street as well
as we are. Well, they're maybe in a
[1:04:36] little bit more on Main Street like cuz
they want ocean or something." You know,
[1:04:40] but regard it's it's still very similar.
Sometimes we even have the same artists
[1:04:46] performing. So, what what license do
they have?
[1:04:52] » They took 20 minutes to respond, so
>> They took 20 minutes as well. Yes. So,
[1:04:55] we do So, we do have
that same sort of, you know, vibe if you
[1:05:02] want to call
>> Should this boy not grant the special
[1:05:05] permit?
What steps could you take to mitigate
[1:05:09] what these letters are saying? Like
noise in the neighborhood
[1:05:12] Things like that.
>> I can bring in Mike. Mike is my security
[1:05:15] consultant. I know Mike.
We just contracted him for the past 6
[1:05:19] months.
And
[1:05:22] » And all your regular customers
>> He's a very big guy.
[1:05:24] » He's the smallest one. This is the
smallest Mike was able to bring.
[1:05:29] » They over there double the guys.
>> Mike's company comes highly recommended.
[1:05:34] They do events
in Montauk now for the question show.
[1:05:37] They just got picked up by the SPs. So
they're very very very well known in the
[1:05:41] security world.
>> Okay. But can he stop the noise into the
[1:05:45] neighborhood?
>> He has some sort of
[1:05:46] » that that the loud music in the name
>> Well, first of all, there's no loud
[1:05:49] music coming out of our location.
>> Okay.
[1:05:50] » You I can I can blast my music
100%
[1:05:54] » come out of that building.
>> And nothing comes out of that building.
[1:05:56] It is totally insulated on both sides.
Whoever says they can hear it, that's a
[1:05:59] pure fallacy.
>> handled that.
[1:06:02] » Yes. Now, my my neighbors next door,
they have speakers outside. I don't know
[1:06:07] what time they close. And my other
neighbor next door, the pizzeria, has
[1:06:09] speakers outside. I'm not saying what
they do.
[1:06:11] » outdoor seating for the customers.
>> But we don't. So I mean I don't know
[1:06:15] where they can hear the music from. So
they can hear
[1:06:16] » You guys communicate noise. Yeah. And
that he comes out, make sure that the
[1:06:21] noise
>> They have a team.
[1:06:23] » Yeah, nobody is
getting out of line in the neighborhood
[1:06:26] cuz they don't need it.
>> Well, we control our block. We control
[1:06:29] our area, our block, our our We don't
have a parking lot, but we walk up and
[1:06:33] down the street at night time. If
there's an issue, always one person goes
[1:06:37] out front door, another person goes out
the back door just because we don't want
[1:06:41] no fights happening in the street.
Um and you can attest to more and you
[1:06:45] can look at talk over you, but you can
explain to them a little bit what you
[1:06:48] know what we do and how we do it.
>> And the procedures, yeah. Like you know,
[1:06:51] when they're coming in and how it works.
>> And your name is, please?
[1:06:54] » My name is Michael Chahales. And I'm the
owner of Four Social Management.
[1:06:58] » Got you.
>> Um I work with a list of different
[1:07:01] restaurants and venues as security
consultant. Um some examples I work with
[1:07:05] Lessing's Restaurant Group. I work with
Hells Kitchen, I work with Coastal
[1:07:09] Verde, and we have joined up with them
and now Stereo Garden as well to provide
[1:07:14] a more optimal experience for both the
guests and for the town.
[1:07:18] We do everything we can to limit the
liability for them.
[1:07:23] We understand that there's a lot of
things that go on in Patchogue town and
[1:07:27] it's a lot of liability for the town as
well and a lot of pressure on the public
[1:07:31] safety and on the police that are
stationed there. So,
[1:07:34] one thing that we do,
we we don't like I said, we don't let
[1:07:38] everyone out at the same time.
It's it's a constant flow in and out,
[1:07:42] right? At night time, one thing we're
doing is we're limiting No one's allowed
[1:07:46] to leave with any garbage or anything
like that. So, that concern
[1:07:49] I I don't think that that's fair to
assume that it's us cuz like I said as
[1:07:53] well, there's two other locations that
are we're positioned right in the middle
[1:07:56] of town.
And from my knowledge, I don't think
[1:07:59] they have any management or security
body there on the weekends, you know?
[1:08:03] So, people could just be walking out of
there with garbage and leaving anywhere.
[1:08:07] » No no drinks or cups can leave our
location or bottles. We have two garbage
[1:08:10] cans in the back of our building.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So, we're very
[1:08:14] preventive with that and just in general
with our measures, we we're very
[1:08:20] wary of the town and we want to
contribute to the community to make it a
[1:08:23] better experience for the public and for
[1:08:28] » Thank you.
>> Mr. Jackson,
[1:08:30] » Yes.
>> What is the What is your code like to to
[1:08:32] determine how many security guards you
need for a certain event?
[1:08:35] » So, we'll do about 50 My my personal
code is I'll do about 50
[1:08:41] uh one one security per 50 patrons.
So, from our experience that we've had
[1:08:46] the most success with that and we do
that with all different you know, events
[1:08:51] and venues.
>> And are all the events pre-sales or
[1:08:54] » Most of ours are pre-sales.
We'll we'll have some we'll have some
[1:08:57] walk-ups. Our very minimum walk-ups. Uh
most of them we'll know the day of of
[1:09:02] how many people come showing up.
>> When we first purchased it was a box
[1:09:05] office. That's a thing of the past.
Everybody's buying tickets online. Yeah.
[1:09:10] » Uh Mr. Chairman,
uh Mr. South,
[1:09:13] uh is there a time when you stop serving
alcohol?
[1:09:16] » Yeah, we're we're we're a hard cut off
by 2:30 for alcohol always on our side.
[1:09:20] » So throughout the throughout the event.
>> Yeah, he'll tell you that I me and her
[1:09:24] work our shows and I want to leave as
soon as possible. So most of the times
[1:09:30] we'll have an artist perform and with
the promoters we're always just part of
[1:09:33] the standing that we have a hard cut off
at 2:30. The only reason we'll stay open
[1:09:38] a little bit later is sometimes we'll
have a deal with another venue that's
[1:09:42] we're splitting the cost of an artist
that's traveling from New Jersey and
[1:09:46] he's running late and then he'll come to
our stage and he'll hit the stage at
[1:09:49] 2:10, 2:15 and people are here to see
him and it'll run into like 15, 20
[1:09:53] minutes. But we try to hard cut at 2:30
and slowly have everybody out by 3:00.
[1:09:58] That is our goal always
if we go that late. But majority of
[1:10:02] times if it's slow if it's slow or it's
slowly end up 1:00 or 2:00, 1:00, 1:30.
[1:10:08] » I like that automatic.
>> I I I have I mean I want to I appreciate
[1:10:12] that the fact that you guys are are
trying to get you know familiar with the
[1:10:15] the culture of the village. I'm trying
to work with the with the village in in
[1:10:19] every way possible.
However, I it seems like the the
[1:10:23] application should be for the special
special permit use instead of like a
[1:10:27] renewal
>> Oh, it's a special permit for events.
[1:10:31] » For events, exactly.
>> I don't know I saw my this is cabaret
[1:10:35] night. I think people
But how does that fall into
[1:10:38] » We'll probably write a new permit.
>> Okay.
[1:10:40] » In fact, we really have to get the use
until the other permit expires.
[1:10:45] » Yes, that
>> But so how does that fall into the
[1:10:46] dancing and drinking and the charging of
[1:10:53] » You're only open if there's some sort of
entertainment there, is that correct?
[1:10:56] » Correct. Correct.
>> Yeah.
[1:10:57] » And then also, how does that tie in to
the state license and also to like our
[1:11:03] insurance?
You know, because right now we we have
[1:11:08] like a bracket. It's cabaret and night
club. You understand? That's what
[1:11:12] » That's what they bill me on.
>> That's what they bill us on. So, if we
[1:11:16] change that where you know, it's just
not the the village is everything else
[1:11:21] like where do we go on there?
>> Have you Have you talked to your friends
[1:11:24] over at 9 North as to like their Have
their insurance as well?
[1:11:28] » I mean, I would definitely talk to your
insurance broker because if anything
[1:11:32] happened during a fight, I can guarantee
you they're not going to cover if you're
[1:11:35] classified
>> They know they have a list of all the
[1:11:41] events that we do.
>> They know they know they know
[1:11:44] everything.
>> That's why we pay so much money.
[1:11:47] » Yeah, by definition they they
they special permit for for special
[1:11:51] events
has a different definition than the than
[1:11:53] the night club.
>> No, it goes under cabaret.
[1:11:58] By the village. Yes.
>> Exactly. So, so that that only is the
[1:12:01] distinction. That that you should
>> But on there everything else it says
[1:12:06] cabaret and night club because all that
the fights all of that is under that.
[1:12:12] Yes.
>> Well, well, that's what we're discussing
[1:12:14] here for the village. Correct? Because
we operate as a village.
[1:12:17] » So,
okay.
[1:12:19] Listen, everybody does insurance fraud.
It happens all over. It's not
[1:12:23] » Unfortunately,
my my insurance company, they they
[1:12:26] insure Madison Square Garden. They
They're strictly just for venues and
[1:12:30] night clubs and events. So, that's who
they that we use. Um so, when we consult
[1:12:36] on them,
they're also very particular on what
[1:12:39] securities we use cuz we have to fit
under their demographics. That's why we
[1:12:42] use them. And they consult for us. So,
that's why they are able to handle that
[1:12:46] situation.
>> be able to use any of the security
[1:12:48] companies that are on Main Street
because they're not covered by assault
[1:12:52] and battery.
We have to be. Our companies have to be.
[1:12:55] So, any of any of any place in the
village is not covered.
[1:13:00] » have requisite for also for the liquor
insurance as well. So, we carry that one
[1:13:04] a much higher than the rest of the as
restaurants. The only issue that we're
[1:13:08] having now is a lot of these restaurants
are popping up as as nightclubs in the
[1:13:11] area. So, it's it's tainting us and
making us look a little bit that we're
[1:13:14] not we're not doing our job, but we're
actually the only ones one of the only
[1:13:19] ones in Patchogue that actually carry
the proper credentials to do that in the
[1:13:23] contained area. You know, we don't we
don't operate just on a whim or we're
[1:13:27] just going to move the doors and move
the chairs.
[1:13:29] » So, the chairs have to be
>> We do this every weekend. That's what we
[1:13:32] do. This is we have the proper
insurances. We have the proper security.
[1:13:34] We have the proper staffing. This is how
we do it every day. We can do it for 7
[1:13:37] years. Now, you see some issues with the
fist raising, but every other restaurant
[1:13:41] is going to have some of them as well.
But, we don't have a page like this like
[1:13:44] Emporium used to have or anyone else cuz
we do things we do things 10 times
[1:13:49] differently than they do.
>> Okay, great. Just excuse me 1 minute.
[1:13:53] Yeah. Any member of the public would
like to speak for or against?
[1:13:57] Just give us a few moments and
thank you.
[1:14:15] » Good afternoon.
>> Good evening.
[1:14:16] » So, my name is Allison Morris. You read
my email. I have sent several emails to
[1:14:22] our mayor. I've been to meetings several
times for this
[1:14:27] business.
Like I said, I'm not against businesses.
[1:14:31] Um
I'm taking it personal that calling me
[1:14:35] basically how you don't
see how I can
[1:14:40] figure out what bar and what people are
coming from. I live right there.
[1:14:45] Listen, I've been here. my family's been
here
[1:14:49] since 1940s. I've been in my house
for over 100 years.
[1:14:56] I love this village, I've been doing
things to improve it.
[1:15:01] This business
is not doing what it says.
[1:15:07] They just BS you.
[1:15:10] The garbage
Okay, maybe they do pick it up when it
[1:15:13] does come. It's all over. Seagulls are
in it. There has been I've sent
[1:15:19] evidence, videos,
um photos of the events.
[1:15:25] » I think it's
>> Sorry. It's in the record.
[1:15:27] » Yeah. I'm just very upset about the
whole situation because I've been
[1:15:31] dealing with this for 2 years.
I've read what their lease is,
[1:15:36] um
since the new bar Side Drive
[1:15:39] opened.
Stereo Garden and that bar can't operate
[1:15:43] the same nights. So, I know that
when Stereo Garden has an event and when
[1:15:49] that bar has an event.
I've been to 89 North.
[1:15:53] Stereo Garden is not at all like that.
In their
[1:15:58] paperwork, it does state that they
basically can't have events at the same
[1:16:03] time. So, I know and I'm not a stupid
person.
[1:16:07] I know when their events are happening.
To the point that me and my family stay
[1:16:12] away
because we don't get enough sleep.
[1:16:16] My child
literally said, "Mommy, I'm scared.
[1:16:21] I feel like someone's going to either
get shot or stabbed because of the
[1:16:25] events that they're having."
[1:16:29] Um
I'm glad that they hired a new company
[1:16:33] because the company that they did use
didn't care.
[1:16:38] Um I actually called that company one
night because of the situation.
[1:16:43] After an event
and they didn't care. I mean, I
[1:16:47] literally am sitting on my porch and
they had people out there screaming,
[1:16:52] cursing, fighting.
Um
[1:16:55] it's just
it's to the point that I
[1:16:59] I get it. You want to have great events,
baby showers,
[1:17:03] sweet 16s, perfect. But those things
have time
[1:17:07] that they're done.
There is a code to the village. I can't
[1:17:11] play loud music after a certain time.
So, why can that? My literally house is
[1:17:17] shaking because their music.
We wake up at 3:00 in the morning from
[1:17:23] horns, music, vibration, the bass.
It's just so disturbing and literally my
[1:17:31] child is scared with some of the events.
I don't know what else to do.
[1:17:37] I'm not saying cuz they have it 30 year
lease. I'm not saying, "Hey, move the
[1:17:41] business and don't do it."
But they need to follow rules just like
[1:17:45] how I need to follow rules.
It's about safety. We don't want people
[1:17:51] driving into my house because they're
drunk.
[1:17:54] I also know that people from that event,
I'm watching people from their entrance
[1:18:00] walk out of their building,
stumbling,
[1:18:04] going through the the the court parking
lot and getting in their cars.
[1:18:11] I don't know what else to do. I had the
village put a stop sign because all of
[1:18:14] them everyone would be stopping at a
stop sign. I had uh
[1:18:19] the mayor change South Street parking
because a lot of the people from Stereo
[1:18:24] Gardens parking on Railroad and South
Street. Sometimes they do. They're doing
[1:18:29] drugs. They're blasting music. Um
they're very rude. I've had people
[1:18:33] urinate on my property.
Um it's just the list goes on and on.
[1:18:39] So, yes.
Great. I hope that they all visit
[1:18:43] succeeds with baby showers, sweet 16s,
but the concerts, the the events is
[1:18:49] ridiculous and they should have a
curfew.
[1:18:52] That's all I really can say because I
know realistically, I mean, if they want
[1:18:57] to have their night life, please go to a
strip free town then
[1:19:02] because this is a village and we want
to, you know, we want to have that life,
[1:19:08] but we want to feel safe.
Um, like I said, I've been dealing with
[1:19:11] this for 2 years. I've emailed the
mayor. I've emailed you guys. I I don't
[1:19:16] know what else to do.
>> Okay. We have that in the record now.
[1:19:19] Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:19:21] » Thank you very much.
Any other member of the public who would
[1:19:24] like to speak for or against?
You'll have to state your name and
[1:19:28] address for the record.
>> I will.
[1:19:31] John Budzinski, Texas.
[1:19:35] I'm having a city to listen to this and
I have I really have to buy it.
[1:19:39] Um
On the one hand, the village promotes
[1:19:41] businesses and these kinds of businesses
in particular because
[1:19:46] I mean, the village now has a reputation
for entertainment.
[1:19:49] And Stereo Garden and the VFW
and the Knights of Columbus before that
[1:19:54] even fit within that
uh projection that the village wants to
[1:20:00] uh communicate to the rest of the
public.
[1:20:03] And I live next to clubs. So, uh I'm I'm
very very cognizant of some of these
[1:20:08] issues that come up with the noise and
crowd control.
[1:20:13] So, that said
I I do have sympathies for the residents
[1:20:17] because I understand
this concept of noise and you know, but
[1:20:23] I'm what I'm having difficulty here is
there's noise and then and the owners
[1:20:27] have indicated they're not the only ones
responsible.
[1:20:30] So, let's start there first of all.
That beer garden area, is I don't know
[1:20:35] if it's part of this business or it's
not part of the business. Is it linked
[1:20:38] up with the with the lease or is not
linked up with the lease?
[1:20:41] » I tried to get after you. I had to ask
me. I think that the beer garden belongs
[1:20:44] to another entity.
>> Okay.
[1:20:46] So, if
>> I don't want to have to clarify that.
[1:20:49] » That is true.
>> All right.
[1:20:50] » Okay, it suppose it doesn't. See, this
is what's going to happen with with my
[1:20:53] testimony is going. I think there are
solutions here, but I don't think they
[1:20:57] all belong to the same.
You know, if that I'm I think in that
[1:21:02] decision you read, they said no DJs in
the state in the beer garden.
[1:21:05] » Yeah.
>> And I attended a planning board meeting
[1:21:08] where they brought in a
a sound
[1:21:10] expert and the planning board imposed
the same restrictions in addition to
[1:21:14] whatever you impose on the beer garden.
No DJs, no loud music.
[1:21:21] Someone's got to find that, but at least
that's there as a reference point.
[1:21:26] » And
>> And I know I know Chelsea and Fields,
[1:21:29] you know, she's been through this
process. She's trying to get herself.
[1:21:33] It's not easy to go back to the village
and say
[1:21:36] » Yeah.
>> You got to make you got to make that
[1:21:38] call to the public safety because you
continue to pursue the issues.
[1:21:43] That's what I think is happening here. I
think there's a mishmash of other issues
[1:21:46] that sound and legitimate. My house can
vibrate too from my neighbor from my
[1:21:52] wonderful nearby club. I understand that
completely.
[1:21:55] The village has a very poor policy
enforcement.
[1:21:59] Even though the code says that
percussion is to be limited, it doesn't.
[1:22:04] Now, I was at the public meeting when
the mayor promised to do something about
[1:22:07] it. He had to say something about the
percussion. You and Chelsea and I should
[1:22:09] both go to complete work these together.
And ask the board to do better.
[1:22:14] Because I think that's what's missing
here. I think that that
[1:22:17] we have a we have a
a deep inconsistency, sometimes
[1:22:20] ineffective policy control of sound and
noise
[1:22:24] in the village of Patchogue. And that's
what's happening here. I think we have a
[1:22:26] point
in a larger niche.
[1:22:33] So, on the issue of noise at this
facility, once you give it a If you do
[1:22:37] give it a concert,
change of use.
[1:22:40] So,
as a matter of law,
[1:22:44] at 11:00,
uh
[1:22:48] we don't have the sound code anymore. We
have the commercial noise code. I just
[1:22:52] went through this with the board
actually a month ago.
[1:22:56] Standards of a lower. We don't have 70
decibels anymore. Being the standard is
[1:23:01] 55. It's not at my property. It's at the
business property line.
[1:23:06] Uh so, the possibility of getting
something done and tickets and court
[1:23:09] action
done is very high.
[1:23:13] Maybe that strategy hasn't been employed
so far. Maybe it should be.
[1:23:17] And therefore, we'll find out whether or
not, as the owner says, the noise is
[1:23:21] contained. Well, you know what? Either
it is or it isn't. It's a simple matter
[1:23:24] of management, finding out what the
story is.
[1:23:26] » Yeah. So, so the neighborhood is
affected.
[1:23:29] » Right.
>> Just to be clear, the sound garden is
[1:23:31] separate entity
than stereo garden.
[1:23:35] » Sound garden.
>> The beer The beer garden. Sorry. The
[1:23:37] beer garden. Yeah.
They used to be the same when it was
[1:23:39] before.
>> Side street, side street.
[1:23:40] » Yeah, right by the garden.
>> The side street owns the side.
[1:23:44] » Beer garden.
>> Okay. It may. But nevertheless, again,
[1:23:48] if I'm correct, the planning board
placed restrictions on that property
[1:23:52] that we managed to change owners,
that property still has restrictions.
[1:23:57] So, uh it should be pursued further, but
I believe and maybe I'll I'll help
[1:24:01] Chelsea figure that out, too.
>> Does anybody remember what that building
[1:24:06] was?
>> Which one?
[1:24:08] » It was Burgerology.
>> No, it No, it was a roller right there.
[1:24:14] It was a roller right there.
>> They found pieces of the ceiling.
[1:24:17] » So, so when we hear a noise,
I can almost swear that you can hear
[1:24:24] noises. It was nothing but a brick
building. They had a roller rink.
[1:24:28] » Are you talking about the present center
building?
[1:24:29] » Yeah, yeah, the roller rink.
That's why the roof goes like this.
[1:24:34] Yeah.
When I was a kid, I used to be able to
[1:24:36] just get my face over the top of the
rail and you'd watch everybody skate.
[1:24:43] » All right, well, I see what you're I see
what you're saying.
[1:24:45] » You know what I'm saying? So, I we got
to figure something out here.
[1:24:48] » I I I I see that.
>> Uh that we can that'll be a
[1:24:50] not affecting the neighborhood. They can
and and we can make it work somehow.
[1:24:54] » Also, just one last thing. In addition
to the police reports you have, can we
[1:24:58] have like last 2 years of public safety
reports as well to look at for 2
[1:25:03] seconds?
>> Did they call give us any?
[1:25:05] No.
>> No.
[1:25:06] So, that would also be another tool to
look at anything that might have been
[1:25:09] missed.
>> Yeah, and what your other idea is
[1:25:11] something that could be addressed as
well. We want to talk about that.
[1:25:14] » Yeah.
I agree. All right, thanks.
[1:25:17] » John, thank you. Any Anyone else would
like to speak for or against the roller
[1:25:22] rink? I mean, the uh
>> I just want to follow up on something.
[1:25:25] » Uh you're welcome, Mr. Sue. I've got a
public. Yes.
[1:25:28] Anybody else?
Guess what? Well, now you guys can come
[1:25:32] back and talk. All right.
>> So, with with the concerns um
[1:25:38] of the music
>> Please.
[1:25:40] » Um
if there's any any day during the
[1:25:44] weekday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday,
[1:25:47] and if you want to come in, I'll have my
sound engineer
[1:25:50] turn off the music and we'll do a
private concert for you there and you
[1:25:54] can have someone stand outside and you
can see that you will not hear nothing.
[1:25:59] No vibration, absolutely zero. We've
done this already. And there's
[1:26:03] absolutely no I don't know where she's
getting that that is happening. I'm not
[1:26:07] debunking her, but it could be, but it's
not but it's not it's not coming from
[1:26:11] our side because we've done this
already.
[1:26:14] We can set that up whenever We can set
that up whenever you like.
[1:26:18] » And we just so you know, every event we
have a sound engineer. The sound
[1:26:22] engineer basically controls
the volume and what is going on.
[1:26:28] We do not want our sound to be to a
level that people can't speak, number
[1:26:33] one. And number two, because it it it's
what gives you the experience. Like the
[1:26:37] sound has to
>> Yes, sir.
[1:26:39] » be proper in the room.
>> be It can't be overwhelming. And then
[1:26:42] also, I I have a fix to the situation
which obviously it it's it's just more
[1:26:46] money on our side, but it is not it
would be a fix that I think would
[1:26:50] appease them and maybe appease Florida
also. That at the end of the night when
[1:26:54] my security um is done vacating the
facility, that they do a quick walk up
[1:27:00] and down the block, or maybe take a look
at the parking lot, or maybe take a look
[1:27:03] across the street, making sure there is
nobody urinating, make sure there's
[1:27:06] nobody trying to break into a car or
something like that. Maybe after the 20
[1:27:09] minutes after the concert's over, just
to go out there and look at things. And
[1:27:13] make a point and tell me, "Hey, bro,
there's extra garbage on the block."
[1:27:16] Then we'll send someone out there to
pick it up. I don't have a problem doing
[1:27:19] that as an extended courtesy um after
the concert ends.
[1:27:22] » Should the board grant this special
permit, you're going to ask to be a good
[1:27:26] neighbor. Second step.
>> And there's my letter of
[1:27:28] recommendations. I have neighbors that
never complain about it. I I am I am I
[1:27:32] they say there's garbage here, we take
it out. Just the other day, a neighbor
[1:27:35] called me up because, "Listen, I got
water coming off my roof that's coming
[1:27:37] into my thing." I spent $1,500 on the
roof guy to come and fix the water to
[1:27:41] divert somewhere else. I am part of the
community. I have invested. I own the
[1:27:44] building next door. I have three houses
here.
[1:27:47] I mean, I love Patchogue. Patchogue is
is a great city. I mean, the town. I
[1:27:50] love So, I have everything
>> You said you own the building next door.
[1:27:53] » The old Hand Don building?
>> No, the pizza place.
[1:27:55] » Okay.
>> Completely completely
[1:27:56] » pizza place. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:27:57] » It's a florist. It's a florist.
>> I was just
[1:28:00] » Yeah, yeah.
>> It's cute. That's what it is.
[1:28:01] » Yeah. And then we also have a house on
North Ocean Ave too.
[1:28:04] » Jesus.
>> So, I mean, like I said, I'm open to
[1:28:08] suggestions. I can I can immediately put
that into effect this weekend. Um so you
[1:28:13] know, our neighbors down the block feels
a little sense of security there doesn't
[1:28:17] feel like anyone's getting get shot or
or knifed while they're sitting there.
[1:28:20] » to shut that up there.
>> You know, we can make that happen.
[1:28:23] » Great. Any other questions from members
of the board, especially Miss
[1:28:26] LaMontagne?
>> I just have some quick questions in
[1:28:28] regards to security. I know that you
said you you would have one man for
[1:28:31] every 50. So how many men does that
usually like how many men do you usually
[1:28:36] have for on security for a typical
event?
[1:28:39] » For what?
>> I I I was beginning then you can figure
[1:28:41] out. So we always go by uh ticket sales.
So as leading up the weekend we'll have
[1:28:46] a
phone call with the promoter, with our
[1:28:48] staff. So we do the bar tending
scheduling and then and at that point
[1:28:51] I'll say, "Hey Mike, uh the show is
looking a little weak. We only got 300
[1:28:55] tickets sold." And that's how he uh
plans accordingly.
[1:28:58] » There's some shows that you go in there
and there's we have 30 securities. Yeah.
[1:29:02] So it's it's
we don't have one or two. I mean he can
[1:29:06] contest to that.
>> Yeah, they take extra precautions. We
[1:29:09] brought additional members and then cut
them after a couple hours. You know,
[1:29:13] they they never mind putting on
additional people just to make sure that
[1:29:17] we have adequate people for any sort of
capacity that we get. Cuz like they
[1:29:21] said, we do get walk-ins as well as the
resale tickets.
[1:29:24] » And real quick just to confirm and so
there's been a time where we do have
[1:29:27] some extra walk-offs that we will hold
people outside. So we'll let two in and
[1:29:32] two out and not to go over capacity and
not to overwhelm them because my main
[1:29:35] concern for them I always tell them, "I
want you guys to feel safe first." So if
[1:29:40] you ever feel that there's too many
people here and you're and you can't
[1:29:43] control it, tell me I will hold the door
until more people come in and around.
[1:29:47] That to me that makes them
>> And that might be a line that's outside,
[1:29:50] but every other place in the in the town
also have a line.
[1:29:55] You know, so it's
it it it secure.
[1:29:58] » that line is not going to be, you know,
maybe 10, 15, 20, 30 people waiting at
[1:30:02] the time. That's what the lines will be
at.
[1:30:04] » So there's security inside and outside.
>> Yes.
[1:30:06] » The
a lot of guests.
[1:30:08] » There's There's capacity people that
like spill over past our premises. We're
[1:30:14] in a position to have someone outside
just to mitigate any sort of public
[1:30:17] relations or anything going on. Just so
there's no people going in the street,
[1:30:20] cause a disturbance or anything like
that.
[1:30:22] » And you said you were newly contracted?
>> It's about 3 months already.
[1:30:25] » Okay. Yes.
>> What is capacity?
[1:30:28] » 985.
>> 95.
[1:30:30] » And just so you know as well
with the knives and gun situation, we
[1:30:36] frisk every single person and go through
every single bag. And right now we're
[1:30:40] saving up to have a metal detector. Just
so no one is there. But I can't control
[1:30:47] what's going down on Main Street if
someone, you know, how many times does
[1:30:52] this does the police come and look for
other people that are not even in our
[1:30:55] place.
>> No, that's
[1:30:57] That's how I did it.
>> It's very difficult to do.
[1:30:59] » You can only control what you can
control.
[1:31:01] » Absolutely.
>> And then like I said, on our block and
[1:31:04] our block
>> We can control it.
[1:31:06] » At the end of the night, members of our
staff and our security will don't have
[1:31:10] any problem going up and down and just
doing a quick glance over and making
[1:31:13] sure that everything looks okay.
>> And to clarify
[1:31:17] what was stated, we don't take turns
opening. The place next door operates on
[1:31:22] its own and we operate on our own.
You can't say, "Well, Stereo's open
[1:31:27] today on Saturday and they're not." It's
That's
[1:31:30] » That doesn't exist.
>> So I don't know what lease they're
[1:31:33] speaking about because they open
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. This
[1:31:37] Friday we're particularly not open.
We're opening Saturday. I'm sure they're
[1:31:42] open Saturday, too.
So the side street dive is to the south
[1:31:47] of you. That's 11 Railroad. That's 11.
Is that the one with the beer garden?
[1:31:52] » That is the outside bar.
>> And just so you know, when you look at
[1:31:55] the front of the building,
if you don't mind, see the two stairs?
[1:31:59] So this is
>> We can't see. You can tell the people in
[1:32:04] This is our entrance. This is their
entrance. It looks identical.
[1:32:09] » Okay.
>> So these are two They're side by side
[1:32:12] because before Emporium had both of
them.
[1:32:15] » And what our side of the VIP side
>> This says we're further
[1:32:19] » And then how you see the VIP entrance
>> Right. So now both those entrances,
[1:32:23] that's ours, that's theirs.
>> And I used to be Burgology before I was
[1:32:27] here. Yes,
>> Correct.
[1:32:31] » What's the even cater
>> So our side
[1:32:35] » I know Burgology
[1:32:40] Yeah, it's a fine. Okay.
Any other questions from members of the
[1:32:44] board?
[1:32:47] Any other member of the public who would
like to speak for or against?
[1:32:51] Counselor, anything to add?
>> No.
[1:32:54] » Do you have anything else to add?
>> No, not at this point.
[1:32:57] » Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[1:32:58] » I'll take a motion on the uh
>> Mr. Chairman, I move to close the
[1:33:02] application and move it to our decision.
>> Motion made by Mr. Salant to close the
[1:33:05] application, seconded by Mr. Colley. All
in favor?
[1:33:08] » Aye.
>> Aye. None opposed. We're closed.
[1:33:10] » Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank
you, gentlemen.
[1:33:13] » Yes, thank you so much.
>> Thank you so much.
[1:33:14] » Thank you.
>> It's
[1:33:16] uh the New York State law is that we
have 62 days to render a decision. It's
[1:33:21] practice of this board to move much
quicker than that.
[1:33:24] » Okay.
>> Thank you.
[1:33:25] » Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thank you for your time.
[1:33:28] » Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>> It's been a pleasure.
[1:33:31] Uh I I I should say the ruling Uh there
is one more
[1:33:34] back here. That we have We have
All right. That's closed in half, right?
[1:33:39] Okay, great. I'll take a motion on
tonight's meeting.
[1:33:42] » Mr. Chairman, I move to close tonight's
meeting.
[1:33:44] » Motion made by Mr. Colley to go home,
seconded by Mr. Salant. All in favor?
[1:33:48] Aye. We're closed.