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Good afternoon, everybody.

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It's our regular meeting of July 14, 2026.

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It's 4:00 PM, our starting time.

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I'm going to call the meeting to order

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and we'll have the clerk call roll the members, please.

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Council Member Greenberg.

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Present.

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Council Member McDonald.

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Present.

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Council member, Meyer.

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Present.

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Vice Mayor, Fuhrman.

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Here.

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Mayor Cordino.

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I'm here.

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Mayor a quorum is present.

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At this time, a motion would be in order

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to allow council member Meyer to participate virtually.

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Does anybody want to make that motion?

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I'll make it.

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We have a motion.

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Do we have a second?

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Second.

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We have a motion, a second.

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All in favor, say Aye.

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Aye.

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All right, Mr. Meyer, welcome.

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Where are you today?

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Thank you.

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I'm in Salzburg.

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Oh.

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Salzburg, I love it.

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It's a shame we're in Pine Crest,

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but we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance anyway.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America,

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and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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All right, let's move to the first item of business.

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That's our consent agenda.

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Does anybody want to pull anything off our consent agenda?

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Yes.

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Mayor.

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Just a tab five.

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Tab five.

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All right.

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Tab five.

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Anybody else?

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I have a question about the minutes.

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OK.

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Minutes.

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Do you want to pull the minutes?

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Can we pull the minutes or we just make a correction?

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Pull the minutes.

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I guess pull the minutes, OK.

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Pull the minutes and we'll talk about them.

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OK.

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OK.

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And anybody else want to pull anything?

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Does anybody on the public want to speak

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on any of the unpulled items from the consent agenda?

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Now would be the time.

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Seeing none, we will move past that.

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Do we have a motion on the consent agenda

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of the non-pulled things?

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I move.

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We have a motion and a second.

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All in favor.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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All right.

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Great Anybody opposed.

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All right.

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That passes.

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All right.

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Tab one.

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Ken, you had a minute issue.

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Oh the minutes-- yeah over-- and I know you guys are going

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to love talking about this, but page 206 when it talks about

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the custom bench that we approved and the--

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[INAUDIBLE]

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--wording got changed to a design feature.

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Let's be fair, it's a custom bench.

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And I don't know why it got stricken as--

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that got stricken and put it in as design feature.

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Yeah my understanding is that was in fact because what it is,

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that's what we--

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[INAUDIBLE]

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--agreed to when we--

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I know that when we moved on the motion--

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because I think it was my amendment to the motion.

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I mean, it was done as a--

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that's what we voted on.

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So we did vote on it?

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I thought so.

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That's what I rememb-- as a design feature,

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just more than a bench.

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It was a direction at council that

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could change it from a bench to a design feature that

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was decided on [INAUDIBLE].

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So there you have it.

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OK.

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OK.

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Does anybody want to speak on the design feature or the bench,

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the mega sidewalk or whatever we're calling it?

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Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing on that item.

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We'll go to--

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Are you going to adopt the minutes?

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Motion.

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Oh, yeah.

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Let's adopt the minutes.

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Can you make a motion on that?

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Motion to approve.

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OK.

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Anybody want to second?

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[INAUDIBLE]

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I'll second.

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All right.

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All in favor of adopting the minutes say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Passes unanimously.

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OK tab five.

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Let's see.

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I just want to pose I spoke to the manager.

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There appears to be a speaking of what

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we're calling things here.

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This is-- it references Howard Drive,

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but this is not actually Howard Drive bridge,

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but this is about the Chatham field.

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It's 124 bridge.

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124 bridge.

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So it was my error.

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What was that?

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So we're doing repairs--

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It's in the bridge.

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--to the bridge on 124 not Howard Drive,

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so the resolution should reflect the bridge on 124th.

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Fortunately, the Howard Drive bridge is still functioning

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on 5th.

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It was my fault because the cover memo--

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It just got built.

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Yeah, that's why--

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Howard drive, so the resolution was

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referring to the wrong bridge.

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So--

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That could be a problem.

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So a motion to amend the item to substitute

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124 street for wherever it says Howard Drive--

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Howard Drive.

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--would be in order.

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All right.

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Anybody want to speak on that?

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Seeing none, we'll open and close the public hearing.

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OK, so motion.

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Move.

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All right motion--

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Second.

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McDonald and Fairman.

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And the motion as amended.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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To 124 street.

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All right.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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OK, motion--

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Aye.

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Motion passes.

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All right.

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Agenda and order of business.

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Does anybody mind if we move tab 14 up to right,

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after the special presentations.

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Peter Englund from the EDC is here,

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and I promised him we would do a presentation on that.

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Anybody mind?

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No.

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All right.

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That being done.

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OK, good.

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Special presentations.

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Palmetto Middle PTA.

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Council member, Meyer.

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So my name is on this item, but it

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came as a request from board member Luis Santos

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to give the Palmetto middle PTA airtime during today's council

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meeting.

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So with that, I'll just let the middle school PTA association

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take the word from here on.

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Anybody here for that?

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This might be a resolution.

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We are-- we have some members here from the--

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Come on up.

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But really there is someone from--

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If you could please state your name and address for the record.

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Good afternoon.

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My name is Jennifer Sturgis.

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I'm representing the Palmetto middle PTSA.

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I understood, though, that Miss Luis Santos

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office are the people who are going to speak on this.

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And I believe she's downstairs finding parking.

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So--

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--I don't know if you can--

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We can.

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--pass this?

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Yeah, we'll hold it off until then.

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I picture it would be best to present first.

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OK, good.

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Thank you.

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We'll move on to tab 14 next, but first,

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let me just say that I wanted to congratulate Miss Shannon Del

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Prado as our mayor elect.

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[APPLAUSE]

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She'll be taking over in November.

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Congratulations couldn't be more proud of you,

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and so I just wanted to say hello to her.

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She's in the room tonight watching again.

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Very big shoes to fill.

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Well thank you.

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OK, let's go to tab 14 real quick

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before the special presentations.

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Tab 14, that is Miss Clark, will you go ahead.

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It's a resolution of the village of Pinecrest, Florida,

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expressing support for the economic Development

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Council of South Miami-Dade and its 2026 South Miami-Dade

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competitive assessment, authorizing the village manager

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to communicate the support to regional partners providing

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for an effective date.

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All right.

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So we work with the Economic Development

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Council of South Miami-Dade.

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And they did a competitive assessment for South Dade.

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And Peter Englund from the EDC is here.

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Peter, would you like to do a brief presentation so

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the council can figure out what you did

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and see if we want to support it.

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I will keep it very brief.

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All right.

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Mayor members of council, manager, mayor to be.

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I'm Peter Englund I'm reside at 7620 Southwest 171st street

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in Palmetto Bay.

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I'm also the chief strategy officer

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with the economic Development Council of South Miami-Dade.

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We recently, with the help of the Metropolitan center at FIU,

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concluded a competitive analysis of South Miami-Dade County

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and have come to the point where we're

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ready to implement this plan for planned economic growth in South

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Miami-Dade County.

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We've had a meeting with your manager, very successful meeting

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with the manager and council member, McDonald,

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and we look forward to continuing

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to work with you and the partnership

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that we've enjoyed in the past.

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Thank you very much.

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If you have any questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Any questions for Mr. Englund?

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Any questions on the resolution?

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Does anybody want to speak on the public on this read tab

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14 resolution.

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Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing.

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Do we have a motion?

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I'll move.

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We have a second?

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Second.

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Motion to second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Anybody opposed?

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All right, motion passes.

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Thank you, sir.

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All right.

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No presentation just yet.

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Let's go to Tab two.

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Tab two.

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Tab two is approved.

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[INTERPOSING VOICES]

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I'm sorry.

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00:09:06,940 --> 00:09:07,760
I'm on the wrong.

286
00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,720
Let's go to tab six.

287
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This is for second reading of an ordinance

288
00:09:13,878 --> 00:09:15,420
of the village of Pinecrest, Florida,

289
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comprehensively amending chapter 30, land development regulations

290
00:09:18,323 --> 00:09:19,740
of the village code of ordinances,

291
00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:21,760
including Article II, decision making

292
00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,920
and administrative bodies, Article III development approval

293
00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,920
procedures, Article 4 zoning district regulations,

294
00:09:27,980 --> 00:09:29,740
Article V additional regulations,

295
00:09:29,740 --> 00:09:31,420
Article VI environmental regulations,

296
00:09:31,420 --> 00:09:34,680
Article VII signs, and Article IX rules of construction

297
00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:36,900
and definitions providing for amendment and adoption

298
00:09:36,900 --> 00:09:39,440
providing for inclusion in the village of Pinecrest code

299
00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,100
of ordinances.

300
00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:43,450
Providing for conflicts, providing for severability

301
00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:44,950
and providing for an effective date.

302
00:09:44,950 --> 00:09:49,900
This was deferred from May 5 and June 11, 2026.

303
00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:51,900
Who wants that?

304
00:09:51,290 --> 00:09:52,350
I'll take it, Mr. Mayor.

305
00:09:52,350 --> 00:09:54,350
Fire away.

306
00:09:54,530 --> 00:09:56,690
So, before you-- in your packet, you

307
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have the latest addition of the recommended changes to the land

308
00:10:03,410 --> 00:10:04,970
use regulations.

309
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You also, on Davis, received two additional documents

310
00:10:09,770 --> 00:10:14,570
that have some further clarifications of the language.

311
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The council would like us to go through each one

312
00:10:17,930 --> 00:10:22,210
or if there are any questions, how would you like to proceed?

313
00:10:22,210 --> 00:10:23,970
I know we've had multiple.

314
00:10:23,970 --> 00:10:25,530
This is second reading, right?

315
00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:27,810
This is second reading.

316
00:10:27,810 --> 00:10:29,610
I defer to anybody else on the council.

317
00:10:29,610 --> 00:10:34,410
It says here, from both University of Miami,

318
00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:38,650
that also has helped recent recommendations.

319
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We have folks from--

320
00:10:40,590 --> 00:10:45,390
Mayor Fernandez is here as well on some

321
00:10:45,820 --> 00:10:50,200
of the proposed changes to the parking,

322
00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:53,500
specifically to parking regulations.

323
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So that's where we'd like to hear

324
00:10:56,580 --> 00:11:00,280
from the members of the public on those issues.

325
00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,620
Or is there any questions from council

326
00:11:02,620 --> 00:11:04,440
on any of the proposed changes?

327
00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,180
Any questions from council?

328
00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:07,400
Just for clarification.

329
00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:12,000
So the papers that were handed to us.

330
00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,500
Those--

331
00:11:13,500 --> 00:11:15,220
That's the final iteration.

332
00:11:15,220 --> 00:11:19,260
But were those the same things that were handed to us last--

333
00:11:19,260 --> 00:11:21,420
did we see those changes prior last month?

334
00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:23,140
We discussed those changes last month.

335
00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:23,840
So there's no--

336
00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:24,735
No changes to the--

337
00:11:24,735 --> 00:11:25,860
I remember it vividly.

338
00:11:25,860 --> 00:11:27,765
Of course, it was two months ago,

339
00:11:27,765 --> 00:11:29,640
which is why I'm asking if we discussed them.

340
00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:29,960
But no.

341
00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,340
So there's no additional changes--

342
00:11:31,340 --> 00:11:31,580
There are no--

343
00:11:31,580 --> 00:11:31,900
--on that.

344
00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:32,775
--additional changes.

345
00:11:32,775 --> 00:11:37,700
We did have to remove some of the changes, because of SB180.

346
00:11:37,700 --> 00:11:40,870
So some things that were included the first time,

347
00:11:40,870 --> 00:11:43,470
we went over this, had to be excluded

348
00:11:43,470 --> 00:11:47,150
because they were considered to be more restrictive, in which

349
00:11:47,150 --> 00:11:50,590
case, we're not able to adopt at this juncture because

350
00:11:50,590 --> 00:11:52,570
of the SB180 limitation.

351
00:11:52,570 --> 00:11:54,970
And those were also--

352
00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:56,430
Those have all been removed.

353
00:11:56,430 --> 00:11:57,430
We were told about that.

354
00:11:57,430 --> 00:12:00,452
In other words, were there any additional--

355
00:12:00,452 --> 00:12:02,910
that's a weird way to word it, but any additional removals?

356
00:12:02,910 --> 00:12:03,950
There were.

357
00:12:03,950 --> 00:12:08,177
I guess I'd like to know what was removed since last time,

358
00:12:08,177 --> 00:12:09,100
just so we're aware.

359
00:12:09,100 --> 00:12:14,818
If they're not legal under Florida law, we can do about it.

360
00:12:14,818 --> 00:12:16,610
But it would be good if we could know that.

361
00:12:16,610 --> 00:12:18,730
Do you, by chance, have that?

362
00:12:18,730 --> 00:12:19,230
OK.

363
00:12:19,230 --> 00:12:23,430
Can we briefly defer for a second,

364
00:12:24,300 --> 00:12:29,910
so I can go pull that up in my office, the last edit?

365
00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:30,410
OK.

366
00:12:30,410 --> 00:12:31,750
So move on to the next item.

367
00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:35,290
And then give me two seconds, and I'll come back with that.

368
00:12:35,290 --> 00:12:38,290
We're ready for our presentation?

369
00:12:40,930 --> 00:12:43,330
The special presentation for the PTA.

370
00:12:43,330 --> 00:12:47,210
I believe that the people from Luisa Santos' office

371
00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:48,470
are stuck downstairs.

372
00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:50,610
They can't get up because we're at capacity.

373
00:12:50,610 --> 00:12:52,610
I don't understand.

374
00:12:52,810 --> 00:12:54,650
We'll get them a police escort.

375
00:12:54,650 --> 00:12:57,610
Jason, we're going to send down the police chief

376
00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:59,500
to take special care of--

377
00:12:59,500 --> 00:13:00,410
[INAUDIBLE]

378
00:13:00,410 --> 00:13:05,810
--the dangerous PTA people coming up here, cause trouble.

379
00:13:05,810 --> 00:13:06,723
All right then.

380
00:13:06,723 --> 00:13:08,390
So what do you think we want to do next?

381
00:13:08,390 --> 00:13:10,490
There's pink lemonade over there.

382
00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,150
How about-- it's tab 6.

383
00:13:12,150 --> 00:13:13,110
How about tab 7?

384
00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:14,190
We can't do that.

385
00:13:14,190 --> 00:13:16,190
How about tab 8?

386
00:13:16,270 --> 00:13:18,930
Who wants to do tab 8?

387
00:13:18,930 --> 00:13:20,410
Youth Governance Day.

388
00:13:20,410 --> 00:13:21,510
Manager's not here.

389
00:13:21,510 --> 00:13:23,210
This is all hers.

390
00:13:23,210 --> 00:13:26,355
Should we just go write the plan of the month?

391
00:13:26,355 --> 00:13:28,230
Yeah, let's do the plan of the month, please.

392
00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:31,810
It's my favorite part of the meeting.

393
00:13:31,810 --> 00:13:33,210
Today, you have grass.

394
00:13:33,210 --> 00:13:38,460
Today, we're talking about grass in front of us.

395
00:13:38,460 --> 00:13:43,900
And there'll be a flyer if anybody wants to get this.

396
00:13:43,900 --> 00:13:45,580
There's a couple of grasses there

397
00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:48,820
that look really nice in the landscape.

398
00:13:48,820 --> 00:13:53,500
We have, right in front of the mayor's door, fakahatchee grass.

399
00:13:53,500 --> 00:13:55,920
And either side of that is Pink Muhly Grass,

400
00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:01,740
which is a very brilliantly pink seed pods that come out.

401
00:14:01,740 --> 00:14:05,160
And then on the side of that is the cordgrass,

402
00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:10,100
which does well in damp areas pond by waterways and ponds

403
00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:11,443
and things like that.

404
00:14:11,443 --> 00:14:12,860
Plus, at the bottom of this, we'll

405
00:14:12,860 --> 00:14:15,480
talk about a number of other grasses.

406
00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,460
And there's one at the bottom called bristle basket

407
00:14:18,460 --> 00:14:20,420
grass, which I don't have an example,

408
00:14:20,420 --> 00:14:24,160
but it does great in shady areas.

409
00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,940
So areas underneath trees and whatnot

410
00:14:25,940 --> 00:14:27,700
that you can't get anything to grow,

411
00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:30,220
the basket grass does really well.

412
00:14:30,220 --> 00:14:33,140
So any of you council members are

413
00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:35,410
willing to take a grass home?

414
00:14:35,410 --> 00:14:36,410
I'm taking the pink one.

415
00:14:36,410 --> 00:14:37,993
And whatever you're taking home, we'll

416
00:14:37,993 --> 00:14:40,390
go to the Parks Department, and they'll

417
00:14:40,390 --> 00:14:41,970
find a good place to plant it.

418
00:14:41,970 --> 00:14:42,870
All right.

419
00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:43,690
Perfect.

420
00:14:43,690 --> 00:14:44,782
That's all you got.

421
00:14:44,782 --> 00:14:45,490
That's all I got.

422
00:14:45,490 --> 00:14:46,390
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

423
00:14:46,390 --> 00:14:47,500
--questions.

424
00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:47,710
Please.

425
00:14:47,710 --> 00:14:49,150
So this grass of the month stuff,

426
00:14:49,150 --> 00:14:50,250
you've been doing this for a while?

427
00:14:50,250 --> 00:14:51,420
Plant of the month.

428
00:14:51,420 --> 00:14:53,390
[INAUDIBLE] this month is grass.

429
00:14:53,390 --> 00:14:53,890
Oh, OK.

430
00:14:53,890 --> 00:14:54,390
Very cool.

431
00:14:54,390 --> 00:14:56,230
Grass is a plant out here.

432
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:57,810
Just in case.

433
00:14:57,810 --> 00:14:59,810
All right.

434
00:14:59,870 --> 00:15:00,770
Okey dokey.

435
00:15:00,770 --> 00:15:03,170
So what about tab 13?

436
00:15:03,210 --> 00:15:06,210
[INAUDIBLE] That's a small version.

437
00:15:07,470 --> 00:15:09,870
Anybody want to do 13?

438
00:15:10,190 --> 00:15:12,870
Ms. Clerk.

439
00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:13,670
A resolution of the village Pinecrest,

440
00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:16,150
Florida, determining the proposed military

441
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:18,210
for fiscal year '26, '27, seven or eight.

442
00:15:18,210 --> 00:15:18,710
Never mind.

443
00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:19,970
Not 13.

444
00:15:19,970 --> 00:15:21,290
Let's hold off on 13.

445
00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:21,910
[INAUDIBLE]

446
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:23,910
Let's do 15.

447
00:15:26,398 --> 00:15:27,830
Tab 15?

448
00:15:27,830 --> 00:15:28,850
Yeah, let's do tab 15.

449
00:15:28,850 --> 00:15:29,350
OK.

450
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:31,130
A resolution of the village of Pinecrest, Florida,

451
00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:32,810
authorizing the village manager to enter

452
00:15:32,810 --> 00:15:34,393
into a professional services agreement

453
00:15:34,393 --> 00:15:37,900
with Bowman Consulting Group, Ltd for the transportation

454
00:15:37,900 --> 00:15:40,900
assessment study, providing for an effective date.

455
00:15:40,900 --> 00:15:41,810
This is also the managers meeting.

456
00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:42,310
OK, good.

457
00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:44,702
So we're pretty much out of time.

458
00:15:44,702 --> 00:15:45,410
Let's just take--

459
00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:46,850
You want to do YAC?

460
00:15:46,850 --> 00:15:48,490
Yeah, let's do the YAC.

461
00:15:48,490 --> 00:15:50,490
Youth Government-- no.

462
00:15:50,790 --> 00:15:51,590
Go, Mr. Chairman.

463
00:15:51,590 --> 00:15:53,330
Where is that?

464
00:15:53,330 --> 00:15:54,350
I got to find it myself.

465
00:15:54,350 --> 00:15:54,850
OK.

466
00:15:54,850 --> 00:15:57,100
Confirmation of the tab 12.

467
00:15:57,100 --> 00:15:58,270
Is that it?

468
00:15:58,270 --> 00:16:01,830
The list of the members is on the list, Mayor.

469
00:16:01,830 --> 00:16:04,250
Yeah, just basically requiring your confirmation.

470
00:16:04,250 --> 00:16:04,750
All right.

471
00:16:04,750 --> 00:16:07,870
Does anybody disapprove of any of these children on this list?

472
00:16:07,870 --> 00:16:09,250
[LAUGHTER]

473
00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:11,288
One of them's room is a complete mess

474
00:16:11,288 --> 00:16:12,830
and hasn't cleaned her room in weeks.

475
00:16:12,830 --> 00:16:13,330
OK.

476
00:16:13,330 --> 00:16:13,890
I would--

477
00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:14,390
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

478
00:16:14,390 --> 00:16:15,850
I don't disapprove of the child, just the--

479
00:16:15,850 --> 00:16:17,220
Oh, just a mess of the room.

480
00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:18,210
Just a mess in her room.

481
00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:19,310
You want to name names?

482
00:16:19,310 --> 00:16:19,810
No.

483
00:16:19,810 --> 00:16:20,430
OK.

484
00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:22,870
I would like to make one comment on the act.

485
00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:24,870
All right.

486
00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:26,650
Very excited that we're going to have

487
00:16:26,650 --> 00:16:31,450
20 young people from the village participate in this.

488
00:16:31,470 --> 00:16:36,300
I'm even more impressed by what happened behind the scenes.

489
00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:40,660
This past year, a lot of the YAC students

490
00:16:40,660 --> 00:16:44,180
wanted to clarify the rules about membership

491
00:16:44,180 --> 00:16:46,260
and getting into the act.

492
00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:48,993
They wanted not to be an automatic, just because you

493
00:16:48,993 --> 00:16:50,660
were in one year, that you automatically

494
00:16:50,660 --> 00:16:53,200
got in the next year.

495
00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,600
They wanted interviews done.

496
00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,400
And it's a good thing, because in the past,

497
00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,620
we've had some issues with stuff not being turned

498
00:16:59,620 --> 00:17:03,500
in and maybe people getting on YAC that maybe shouldn't

499
00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:04,440
have been on YAC.

500
00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,859
And this year, we had a case where

501
00:17:06,859 --> 00:17:11,339
two returning members, for one reason or another,

502
00:17:11,339 --> 00:17:15,859
did do not apply properly, and therefore, were not

503
00:17:15,859 --> 00:17:18,140
allowed in the YAC this year.

504
00:17:18,140 --> 00:17:21,540
And the most impressive thing was they really

505
00:17:21,540 --> 00:17:26,260
wanted to be in YAC, but they put the organization

506
00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:29,230
before themselves and understood the importance of the rules

507
00:17:29,230 --> 00:17:34,300
and timelines, and they graciously agreed to, again,

508
00:17:35,550 --> 00:17:38,550
put the organization before themselves.

509
00:17:38,650 --> 00:17:40,650
So very impressive.

510
00:17:41,990 --> 00:17:43,750
Two young members of our community,

511
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:47,210
and a great group of 20 kids coming in.

512
00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:49,900
So I'm looking forward to the upcoming year.

513
00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:49,690
OK, great.

514
00:17:49,690 --> 00:17:49,970
Thank you.

515
00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:51,595
You're doing a wonderful job with that,

516
00:17:51,595 --> 00:17:53,670
so you should be commended.

517
00:17:53,670 --> 00:17:54,710
Excellent work.

518
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:57,190
Glad to have you doing it.

519
00:17:57,190 --> 00:17:58,130
All right.

520
00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:59,700
So that's the YAC.

521
00:17:59,700 --> 00:18:00,970
Ms. Manager, you're back.

522
00:18:00,970 --> 00:18:01,692
Yes, I'm back.

523
00:18:01,692 --> 00:18:02,650
Where did we leave off?

524
00:18:02,650 --> 00:18:03,750
Which one are we-- oh, tab 6.

525
00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:04,910
Do we have to vote on this?

526
00:18:04,910 --> 00:18:05,410
Yeah.

527
00:18:05,410 --> 00:18:07,990
Do we need to vote on that or are we just OK with--

528
00:18:07,990 --> 00:18:08,810
Consensus.

529
00:18:08,810 --> 00:18:09,390
--consensus?

530
00:18:09,390 --> 00:18:09,890
Anybody?

531
00:18:09,890 --> 00:18:11,900
So we have consensus.

532
00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:13,900
We're good.

533
00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:14,950
OK.

534
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:15,850
Go back to 6.

535
00:18:15,850 --> 00:18:16,350
OK.

536
00:18:16,350 --> 00:18:19,870
So to answer the question, anything

537
00:18:19,870 --> 00:18:23,990
that is in this document that has a double underline or double

538
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:25,470
strikethrough are the things that

539
00:18:25,470 --> 00:18:30,960
were changed from the first reading to now, second reading.

540
00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,520
Anything in the handout or in the--

541
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,600
Both.

542
00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,480
So anything you see with double underline or double

543
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:39,938
strikethrough are things that occur

544
00:18:39,938 --> 00:18:41,147
between the past proceeding--

545
00:18:41,147 --> 00:18:42,840
You wanted to go through those?

546
00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,680
I mean, doesn't need to for my sake.

547
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,600
If anybody else wants to, sure, but I

548
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,200
don't want to delay the meeting.

549
00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:54,960
Any other questions from the council?

550
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,400
A couple.

551
00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,600
Number 1, on page 49 of 130, paragraph G. It

552
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:09,360
talks about encroachment of a hedge onto the sidewalk.

553
00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:11,740
And maybe Esther can speak to this.

554
00:19:11,740 --> 00:19:17,827
Do we also want to say for the right of way line?

555
00:19:17,827 --> 00:19:18,660
Which page are you--

556
00:19:18,660 --> 00:19:19,140
I'm sorry, sir.

557
00:19:19,140 --> 00:19:19,720
What page are you--

558
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:20,220
49.

559
00:19:20,220 --> 00:19:22,160
49 of 130.

560
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,400
49.

561
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,980
What paragraph do you--

562
00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:26,420
G, at the bottom.

563
00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:30,200
That section is specific to fences.

564
00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,260
So I don't know that you want to have

565
00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:35,440
right of way in that section.

566
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,240
I know what you're saying about the encroachment,

567
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,240
but if it has to do with right of way,

568
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,640
it's a different subsection.

569
00:19:56,340 --> 00:19:57,600
Is that your final answer?

570
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:58,330
That's my final answer.

571
00:19:58,330 --> 00:19:58,480
OK.

572
00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,522
That's your final answer.

573
00:19:59,522 --> 00:20:01,100
Anything else?

574
00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:04,760
I do have a question about the bike parking.

575
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,760
Let me get to that.

576
00:20:11,420 --> 00:20:13,940
I know the bike parking--

577
00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:16,940
oh, I'm sorry, page 77 and 78.

578
00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:24,500
I'll get to the easy one on page 78.

579
00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:28,430
And this hearkens me back to when the county made provisions

580
00:20:28,430 --> 00:20:32,630
for mandatory bike racks on commercial property.

581
00:20:32,670 --> 00:20:37,470
Item E, signage, just don't see any point

582
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:39,390
in telling people they need to put up

583
00:20:39,390 --> 00:20:43,350
signs to show that the bike rack is a bike rack.

584
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:44,650
Pretty self-explanatory, right?

585
00:20:44,650 --> 00:20:48,390
I know it's a little thing, but it's just one

586
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:50,990
more sign up that somebody's got to pay for,

587
00:20:50,990 --> 00:20:52,710
that somebody's got to maintain.

588
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:55,270
And I don't see a need for it.

589
00:20:55,270 --> 00:21:00,700
Also, I think for right now, the number

590
00:21:00,390 --> 00:21:07,830
of bike racks being requested is a little bit on the high side.

591
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:12,950
I would prefer to have something like 5 to 50 spaces

592
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:17,750
require two bike racks, 50 to 100 require 4, a 100 to 200

593
00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:22,310
require 6, 200 to 500--

594
00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:25,200
Where is this?

595
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,220
It's on page 77.

596
00:21:26,220 --> 00:21:27,220
Page 77.

597
00:21:27,220 --> 00:21:27,800
There's a--

598
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,880
77.

599
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,960
I'm thinking about Sunnyland and some of these shopping

600
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,310
centers that we have, that have several different owners,

601
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:40,720
and they're going to be putting up quite a few bike racks.

602
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:41,660
And I don't know--

603
00:21:41,660 --> 00:21:45,480
I mean, I'd like to start a little smaller scale,

604
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,600
see that they're getting used, and then advance it from there.

605
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,480
Plus, there is another requirement

606
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:57,880
that it has to be near the entrance to the building.

607
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,800
And that can get a little tricky about who's

608
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:06,680
going to make that determination on where they should be located.

609
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:13,000
And that would be under C, item 2, and item 1

610
00:22:19,238 --> 00:22:20,780
as well-- bicycle parking space shall

611
00:22:20,780 --> 00:22:25,580
be located near the entrances to the building.

612
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,300
If you're looking at Sunnyland South, as you've just stated,

613
00:22:30,300 --> 00:22:33,380
we have a number of different owners of that parcel,

614
00:22:33,380 --> 00:22:36,400
and there are entrances all the way along,

615
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,568
starting with Sergio's at one end and Milam's at the other.

616
00:22:40,568 --> 00:22:42,568
Right.

617
00:22:43,300 --> 00:22:45,700
The arbiter of where they would go

618
00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:51,820
is staff, because we're the ones that review for these things.

619
00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:57,800
And as far as the number of rack or bicycle parking spaces,

620
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,220
that's up to counsel.

621
00:22:59,220 --> 00:23:02,820
Was this pulled from the county?

622
00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:05,400
Chad, are you on the call?

623
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,500
I think Chad's on the call.

624
00:23:08,500 --> 00:23:09,400
No.

625
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,600
Hi, everybody.

626
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,600
Good afternoon.

627
00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:14,540
This was proposed by staff.

628
00:23:14,540 --> 00:23:16,920
I don't know if it came from the county,

629
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,720
but this was an original proposal from staff.

630
00:23:25,230 --> 00:23:28,110
I would err on the side of caution

631
00:23:28,110 --> 00:23:30,158
for more bicycle parking than less.

632
00:23:30,158 --> 00:23:31,450
So I'm good with the way it is.

633
00:23:31,450 --> 00:23:33,450
Anybody else?

634
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:35,330
I agree.

635
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:38,550
I think there's been a lack of bicycle parking.

636
00:23:38,550 --> 00:23:41,550
We build shared use paths.

637
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:45,110
We try to encourage people to ride bicycles

638
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:46,402
to the shopping area.

639
00:23:46,402 --> 00:23:48,110
And if you do, and you don't have a place

640
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:54,430
to park and lock your bike, you're not going to do it.

641
00:23:54,430 --> 00:23:59,670
I think the concern is, as vice mayor laid out as well founded,

642
00:23:59,670 --> 00:24:05,450
I don't-- but I mean, if there's not much of a will to change it,

643
00:24:05,450 --> 00:24:06,250
I'm fine with it.

644
00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:08,310
But I think it's a fair concern.

645
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:11,750
I would be happy to see how this plays out maybe at a smaller

646
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:14,150
number, but not a--

647
00:24:16,218 --> 00:24:21,618
I don't feel overwhelmingly strongly if that's not clear.

648
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,360
Mr. Meyer, how do you feel?

649
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,200
Sorry, but I had a bad connection.

650
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,100
So is this on the topic of the bike racks or on another topic?

651
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:35,680
There's a proposal to limit the number of bicycle parking spaces

652
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,160
out there.

653
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,520
If your connection is bad, I bet, I can guess.

654
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,540
Yeah, I could guess for you.

655
00:24:41,540 --> 00:24:45,600
You probably want to keep it the same and not lower it.

656
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,265
Well, I don't see a drawback to this, quite frankly.

657
00:24:49,265 --> 00:24:50,640
I mean, the cities that have done

658
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:56,600
this in other parts of America have benefited from an increased

659
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,200
level of pedestrian and bike traffic

660
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,280
of local residents attending their local commercial

661
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,220
districts.

662
00:25:04,220 --> 00:25:07,760
And as one of those residents that

663
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,800
likes to visit our US1 establishments usually and often

664
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,250
struggle to find places to park my bike safely.

665
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:17,170
And at times, I have to park it in places

666
00:25:17,170 --> 00:25:20,570
where it's not visible, and I worry that it

667
00:25:20,570 --> 00:25:22,370
might be taken away, et cetera.

668
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:24,625
So I think in the end, everyone's

669
00:25:24,625 --> 00:25:25,750
going to benefit from this.

670
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:27,450
I frankly don't see any drawbacks

671
00:25:27,450 --> 00:25:33,450
to moving forward with this aspect of our land use

672
00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:36,530
regulations as is currently.

673
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:37,550
All right.

674
00:25:37,550 --> 00:25:39,258
So we'll keep it the same, it seems like.

675
00:25:39,258 --> 00:25:43,630
I mean, it's only 16 bicycle spots per 1,000 parking spaces,

676
00:25:43,630 --> 00:25:46,900
so it didn't kill anybody.

677
00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:47,690
Anything else, Mr. Chairman?

678
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:50,210
The second one that he had questions about

679
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:54,410
was subsection E, the one about the signage

680
00:25:54,410 --> 00:25:59,930
and markings, whether or not we need to have that.

681
00:25:59,930 --> 00:26:03,500
That's E, all bicycle parking spaces

682
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:05,850
shall be posted with a permanent and properly maintained

683
00:26:05,850 --> 00:26:07,850
above ground sign.

684
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:13,900
And his position is, a bike rack is a bike rack is a bike rack.

685
00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:16,270
Do you need to have signs to show that these are bike racks?

686
00:26:16,270 --> 00:26:18,310
You tell somebody that's a bike rack.

687
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:19,330
I don't think so either.

688
00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:19,830
OK, good.

689
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:21,450
You can ask Council Member Meyer.

690
00:26:21,450 --> 00:26:24,670
Is it he can't find a place to park his bike because he doesn't

691
00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:25,850
see the sign?

692
00:26:25,850 --> 00:26:26,350
No.

693
00:26:26,350 --> 00:26:27,670
Or the parking--

694
00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:28,823
There's no bike racks.

695
00:26:28,823 --> 00:26:29,490
--the physical--

696
00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:30,530
There are no bike racks.

697
00:26:30,530 --> 00:26:30,750
--doesn't exist.

698
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:31,990
There are no bike racks.

699
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:35,670
Once you have a rack, you probably don't need a sign.

700
00:26:35,670 --> 00:26:38,150
He made my point, which is a little bit,

701
00:26:38,150 --> 00:26:39,730
problem is there are no bike racks,

702
00:26:39,730 --> 00:26:42,590
there are very few in the village.

703
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:46,950
So to tell, say, Sunnyland, that they're going to put a string

704
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:51,830
of, I don't know, 20-some, 30-some along their storefront

705
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:57,170
sidewalks is a lot, a lot right now where they don't have any.

706
00:26:57,170 --> 00:27:00,450
And so should we start off with these numbers?

707
00:27:00,450 --> 00:27:01,670
Or should we start a little bit smaller

708
00:27:01,670 --> 00:27:05,750
and give our commercial property places to properly place

709
00:27:05,750 --> 00:27:08,100
them, check out their usage?

710
00:27:08,100 --> 00:27:11,520
And if Council Member Meyer goes back

711
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,320
and he can't find a spot because all the bike racks are being

712
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,640
used, then we got a great problem,

713
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,200
and we upped the number of them.

714
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,140
I disagree, Vice Mayor.

715
00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:24,800
I think if we're going to do it--

716
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,280
this isn't 16 for a 500 to 1,000 parking spaces.

717
00:27:29,140 --> 00:27:30,640
We don't even have that.

718
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,780
But the thing is, we don't have them now.

719
00:27:32,780 --> 00:27:33,920
It's 16 what?

720
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,000
Bicycle--

721
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,640
Bicycles.

722
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:36,140
Yeah.

723
00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:36,640
16--

724
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,460
16 bicycles, not bike racks.

725
00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:40,260
It's like one bicycle rack.

726
00:27:40,260 --> 00:27:40,760
One bicycle.

727
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,602
There's 16 slots in a bicycle rack, probably.

728
00:27:44,602 --> 00:27:45,560
This isn't [INAUDIBLE].

729
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,417
No, that's settled.

730
00:27:46,417 --> 00:27:47,500
We're settled on that one.

731
00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:49,500
Anything else?

732
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,260
I'm going to take out the signage.

733
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:51,760
Yeah.

734
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,580
Fine with me.

735
00:27:52,580 --> 00:27:55,480
You're fine with taking out the signage for the bike

736
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,905
racks and just having the bike racks required?

737
00:27:57,905 --> 00:27:59,280
I believe the people of Pinecrest

738
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,260
can distinguish a bike rack from not a bike rack.

739
00:28:02,260 --> 00:28:03,400
OK.

740
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,640
So we'll delete subsection E, in which case, F becomes E.

741
00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:15,850
So we'll strike everything in subsection E,

742
00:28:15,850 --> 00:28:20,500
and then F will now become E.

743
00:28:20,970 --> 00:28:21,670
Fine with me.

744
00:28:21,670 --> 00:28:23,900
OK.

745
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:25,690
F can be whatever you want.

746
00:28:25,690 --> 00:28:26,530
OK.

747
00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:28,530
Anything else?

748
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,930
I just have a clarification question, if you don't mind.

749
00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:35,990
I believe we had a lengthy conversation.

750
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:41,450
This is related to the UM building that will be--

751
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:46,250
well, the UM building, I believe that we're

752
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:50,633
the former furniture Macy's store used to be,

753
00:28:50,633 --> 00:28:51,550
that's going to go up.

754
00:28:51,550 --> 00:28:52,925
And we had a lengthy conversation

755
00:28:52,925 --> 00:28:57,725
about ensuring that we have limited open parking

756
00:29:00,490 --> 00:29:02,750
spaces visible from US1.

757
00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:05,170
And rather, that we would be asking

758
00:29:05,170 --> 00:29:10,150
them to have underground parking enough so that we could

759
00:29:10,150 --> 00:29:13,310
repurpose some of the ground level parking

760
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:16,570
and replace asphalt for trees, et cetera,

761
00:29:16,570 --> 00:29:19,870
and improve the visibility from US1 into our village.

762
00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:22,850
What has been the outcome of that request?

763
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:26,430
And is that being reflected on this new version of the land use

764
00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:27,682
regulations?

765
00:29:27,682 --> 00:29:29,390
Chad, do you want to answer that question

766
00:29:29,390 --> 00:29:32,590
or do you want me to answer?

767
00:29:32,590 --> 00:29:37,270
Well, I'll just caution first that that plan is still

768
00:29:37,270 --> 00:29:38,950
being reviewed by staff.

769
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:42,870
And the specifics of it will come before the council

770
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:44,750
in a quasi judicial hearing.

771
00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:47,700
So I don't know how much detail we should

772
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:50,700
get into the project itself.

773
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:55,230
I've heard that the submittal so far

774
00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:59,590
does have some underground parking, but I have not seen it.

775
00:29:59,590 --> 00:30:02,810
As far as the code amendment tonight, Josi,

776
00:30:02,810 --> 00:30:04,570
do you want to introduce--

777
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:08,900
I think it's the language that we have been working on parking.

778
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:10,900
Sure.

779
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,200
The code amendments that would impact specifically

780
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,560
the University of Miami facility is

781
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,400
one of the handouts that was on Council Dais.

782
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,840
And specifically, what we are looking at is--

783
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:35,240
and this was vetted, by the way, by the engineer

784
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,740
that reviews the parking uses.

785
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:40,520
And they are in agreement with the language

786
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,680
that we are proffering to council now,

787
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:49,680
which would provide for one space for every 200 square feet

788
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,400
of gross floor area or fractional part thereof.

789
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,920
That is applicable to any medical or dental office.

790
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:04,250
But for facilities that are 50,000 square feet or more

791
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:09,650
in gross area, the staff can grant administrative waiver

792
00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:14,350
of up to 10% from the total amount of required parking,

793
00:31:14,350 --> 00:31:18,850
based upon the submittal of a parking utilization study from

794
00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:20,850
a licensed engineer.

795
00:31:23,470 --> 00:31:27,670
The other language that was changed specifically

796
00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:33,610
that impacts that facility is on the first paragraph

797
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:36,330
that you see before you, where it

798
00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:41,730
talks about allowing for the deduction of square footage

799
00:31:42,450 --> 00:31:44,490
for things like mechanical rooms, utility

800
00:31:44,490 --> 00:31:47,490
rooms, stairwells, and elevator shafts.

801
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:53,810
So when they do the calculation for these larger facilities,

802
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:58,450
we would be removing the square footage that is contributed

803
00:31:58,450 --> 00:32:03,100
to these types of facilities, which I think, in the UM case,

804
00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:06,400
it represents more than, I want to say,

805
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,580
19,000 square feet or something like of that building.

806
00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:12,500
It's either an elevator shaft, or mechanical room,

807
00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:15,420
or utility, something like for IT back of the room

808
00:32:15,420 --> 00:32:17,280
that doesn't really have any people.

809
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,797
And that's not unique to us.

810
00:32:18,797 --> 00:32:19,630
This is interesting.

811
00:32:19,630 --> 00:32:20,130
No.

812
00:32:20,130 --> 00:32:23,660
We're just expanding it a bit, because the language

813
00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:27,460
we had presently only provided for exclusion

814
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:30,100
of restroom facilities, employee break

815
00:32:30,100 --> 00:32:33,860
rooms, and walk-in freezers, which we just expanded

816
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:36,200
that to include the mechanical rooms, utility

817
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,200
rooms, stairwells, and elevator shafts.

818
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:43,980
OK.

819
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,600
Any other questions from the council?

820
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,600
One more on page 90 of 130.

821
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:50,738
Just curious.

822
00:32:50,738 --> 00:32:52,280
Chad probably has an answer for this.

823
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,880
But the artificial turf not counting

824
00:32:56,860 --> 00:32:58,540
as green space artificial turf.

825
00:32:58,540 --> 00:33:00,440
What's stricken is artificial turf

826
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,740
shall not be counted or considered as required.

827
00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:05,500
natural green space, thank goodness.

828
00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:10,900
But was that stricken just because it was redundant?

829
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,320
It is redundant, because in our green space definition--

830
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,820
They still have to comply with that.

831
00:33:19,820 --> 00:33:21,403
--they still have to comply with that.

832
00:33:21,403 --> 00:33:23,403
Correct.

833
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,880
That's correct.

834
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,720
Anything else?

835
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,440
OK.

836
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,560
Does anybody want to speak on this from the public?

837
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,360
Any of the applicants?

838
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,258
You guys good with this?

839
00:33:45,258 --> 00:33:46,340
[INAUDIBLE]

840
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:46,840
Sir.

841
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,840
Mayor.

842
00:33:54,750 --> 00:33:56,340
Mr. Mayor, members of council, good evening.

843
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:58,285
Javier Fernandez for the record, office at 2,

844
00:33:58,285 --> 00:34:00,285
1 Alhambra circle, Suite 1205.

845
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:04,910
I just wanted to affirm our support for, I guess,

846
00:34:04,910 --> 00:34:09,710
reverting back to the language in section 522R.

847
00:34:10,610 --> 00:34:12,610
I believe that leaves the language

848
00:34:12,610 --> 00:34:16,110
as it was or exists in the code today for shared parking.

849
00:34:16,110 --> 00:34:17,969
We'll continue to try to work with our neighbor

850
00:34:17,969 --> 00:34:21,469
to find an accommodation that works for all parties there

851
00:34:21,469 --> 00:34:24,489
and hopefully result in some spaces being retenanted.

852
00:34:24,489 --> 00:34:26,850
I did just want to suggest to the council with respect

853
00:34:26,850 --> 00:34:28,670
to lines 12 and 13.

854
00:34:28,670 --> 00:34:34,170
So this is page 126, the revised standards for health and fitness

855
00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:36,370
studios, and the existing standard

856
00:34:36,370 --> 00:34:38,370
for instructional studios.

857
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:41,850
Many of the uses that are contemplated in line 12

858
00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:44,650
are included in the definition of line 13.

859
00:34:44,650 --> 00:34:46,730
And so we would just suggest that maybe

860
00:34:46,730 --> 00:34:49,949
those two categories be collapsed and allow those uses,

861
00:34:49,949 --> 00:34:52,250
whether it's a yoga studio or a fitness and health

862
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:56,860
establishment, to be parked at a ratio of 1 space per 180.

863
00:34:56,860 --> 00:34:58,200
What page again?

864
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,420
I believe it's page 126.

865
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:02,100
No, [INAUDIBLE].

866
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:03,440
I think it's page 68.

867
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:03,940
Sorry.

868
00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:05,620
My apologies.

869
00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:06,540
68?

870
00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:07,582
I'm in the wrong section.

871
00:35:07,582 --> 00:35:08,540
68 of 130.

872
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:10,100
He's talking about the table.

873
00:35:10,100 --> 00:35:10,600
The table.

874
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,200
My apologies.

875
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:11,700
Yeah.

876
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:16,500
The table on page 68 of 130 has items 8 through 14.

877
00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:24,600
And I believe, the suggestion is combining sections 12 and 13,

878
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,800
which currently have different parking space

879
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:30,620
requirements for instructional studios,

880
00:35:30,780 --> 00:35:34,780
such as dance and karate, establishments with the health

881
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:40,180
and fitness section, which requires one space for each 180

882
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:40,980
square feet.

883
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:41,522
My apologies.

884
00:35:41,522 --> 00:35:44,980
The reference to the definition is on page 126 through 127.

885
00:35:44,980 --> 00:35:47,860
And that if you look at, could encapsulate a yoga studio,

886
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:51,940
which would also be potentially captured under the use

887
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:53,800
classification on line 12.

888
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,600
So it just seem that we should just consolidate and simplify

889
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,950
that for the benefit of commercial users.

890
00:35:59,950 --> 00:36:00,220
Those are my only comments.

891
00:36:00,220 --> 00:36:02,760
Again, thank you to all of you, and your staff,

892
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,500
and city attorney for your help throughout this process.

893
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:07,500
Thank you.

894
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,280
Anybody else?

895
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,280
Mr. Penn.

896
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,960
When one lawyer gets up, we all have to get up.

897
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,420
We have to suffer through it.

898
00:36:17,420 --> 00:36:19,720
Graham Pembroke, Howard L. Fernandez, [INAUDIBLE]

899
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,140
200 South Biscayne Boulevard.

900
00:36:21,140 --> 00:36:24,140
I asked Mr. Fernandez's suggestion.

901
00:36:24,180 --> 00:36:26,640
We have absolutely no issue with that

902
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,813
as long as the number is the new number, which is the 180

903
00:36:29,813 --> 00:36:32,813
square feet for active space.

904
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,840
Just briefly on that, as your package reflects,

905
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:43,240
that number, the 180 square feet has been vetted significantly

906
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,360
by your transportation engineer.

907
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:50,440
We've done studies on eight separate locations

908
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,600
that all support that number.

909
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,110
And it's actually shows that it's a conservative number.

910
00:36:55,110 --> 00:36:58,970
So we have no objection to Mr. Fernandez's suggestion.

911
00:36:58,970 --> 00:37:01,980
And we would ask you to otherwise adopt it as written.

912
00:37:01,980 --> 00:37:02,730
Thank you so much.

913
00:37:02,730 --> 00:37:04,700
OK.

914
00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,700
Mr. Proctor.

915
00:37:07,500 --> 00:37:07,710
Thank you.

916
00:37:07,710 --> 00:37:09,710
You're welcome.

917
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:11,290
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

918
00:37:11,290 --> 00:37:15,210
Jerry Proctor, attorney for University of Miami General

919
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:16,770
Counsel's Office.

920
00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:19,570
We do support the changes that have

921
00:37:19,570 --> 00:37:22,570
been presented by the manager.

922
00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:26,690
They really get us to about the same--

923
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:29,730
excuse me, about the same place, which

924
00:37:29,730 --> 00:37:35,500
is to recognize that a large medical facility requires less

925
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:37,450
parking on a proportional square foot

926
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:41,500
basis than a small medical facility.

927
00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:45,650
And this gets us to that place.

928
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:50,900
The concerns along the way, the reason for the last minute,

929
00:37:50,900 --> 00:37:53,540
there are concerns that your consultant raised

930
00:37:53,540 --> 00:37:58,340
about safeguards, questions about case by case operation,

931
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,940
because every medical facility is different than the next one.

932
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:08,740
And there's safeguards now in the proposal that

933
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:15,300
require us to make certain submittals that frankly, we're

934
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:19,420
going to make anyway, but it requires us and requires anyone

935
00:38:19,420 --> 00:38:23,620
in our shoes to present operational factors

936
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:26,420
and present them, if we're asking

937
00:38:26,420 --> 00:38:32,220
for a waiver, for independent review by a traffic engineer,

938
00:38:32,220 --> 00:38:34,620
and to do that before we appear in front

939
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:37,300
of the council with our site plan.

940
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:39,100
That's an extra step.

941
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:42,380
It's a safeguard that was suggested

942
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:45,380
by staff and the consultant.

943
00:38:45,540 --> 00:38:47,280
And we have no problem with it.

944
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,670
I want to congratulate the staff and the council

945
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:56,470
for taking these items on your vision plan

946
00:38:58,790 --> 00:39:04,310
four years ago, called for a look at parking requirements

947
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:07,870
and where they are excessive to make a good faith

948
00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:09,990
attempt to reduce them.

949
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:11,590
That's what's happening.

950
00:39:11,590 --> 00:39:14,670
It's very clear in your vision plan update

951
00:39:14,670 --> 00:39:17,950
in the resolution that was adopted by council.

952
00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:21,230
And I appreciate your following through on it.

953
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:21,730
Thank you.

954
00:39:21,730 --> 00:39:22,210
Thank you.

955
00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:22,730
I appreciate that.

956
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:24,355
We're nothing if not courageous when it

957
00:39:24,355 --> 00:39:25,790
comes to parking and bicycle.

958
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:27,870
Mr. Mayor, if I may real quick, also just

959
00:39:27,870 --> 00:39:29,950
wanted to bring to the council's attention

960
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:33,670
that the other handout has to do with the changes

961
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:37,510
to the sign code that facilitated the two

962
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:41,190
signs on the same street that we talked about also

963
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:43,590
with the UM folks.

964
00:39:43,630 --> 00:39:46,130
And we provided that information to you,

965
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:49,130
but we've sorted all of that out, where it wouldn't even

966
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:50,470
have to come to council.

967
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:52,530
It's just as a matter of course, if they

968
00:39:52,530 --> 00:39:54,590
wanted to do them both on one side,

969
00:39:54,590 --> 00:39:58,890
there would be just rules of how they would get to that point.

970
00:39:58,890 --> 00:39:59,390
Got it.

971
00:39:59,390 --> 00:40:02,890
Anybody else from the public want to speak on this?

972
00:40:02,890 --> 00:40:05,410
All right, Ms. Clerk, there's hopefully nobody online

973
00:40:05,410 --> 00:40:07,970
that wants to talk about this.

974
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:08,470
No.

975
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:09,470
Mayor, at the moment, no.

976
00:40:09,470 --> 00:40:09,970
No.

977
00:40:09,970 --> 00:40:11,438
Nobody raised their hand.

978
00:40:11,438 --> 00:40:12,730
We'll close the public hearing.

979
00:40:12,730 --> 00:40:13,820
Any further debate?

980
00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:15,870
If not, do we have a motion?

981
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:18,870
What about that combining 12 and 13,

982
00:40:19,690 --> 00:40:22,950
as was suggested on the instructional studio,

983
00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:24,570
such as dance?

984
00:40:24,570 --> 00:40:25,710
Oh, do we want to do that?

985
00:40:25,710 --> 00:40:27,190
I see no reason why not to.

986
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:29,970
Chad, are you there still?

987
00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:32,790
I didn't see any issue with that.

988
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:36,130
It's a policy decision from you guys.

989
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:39,130
From a legal perspective, I'm fine with it.

990
00:40:39,130 --> 00:40:42,530
I think the question was-- what Mayor Fernandez mentioned was

991
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:47,900
that there might be like yoga in a health and fitness

992
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:49,900
establishment, so he just thought

993
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:52,300
they both belonged together.

994
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:54,200
I think--

995
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,420
In the definition of health and fitness on page 126,

996
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,900
and I think that was the reference,

997
00:41:03,900 --> 00:41:07,500
it says an establishment that's providing instruction, that

998
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:09,720
are the establishment sustaining high density uses,

999
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,720
including yoga.

1000
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:16,660
So I think it's within that overall definition.

1001
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:24,620
So number 12, is it just strictly dealing with dance

1002
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:27,720
and karate, that's it?

1003
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,900
Everything else would fall under health and fitness

1004
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:31,900
establishments?

1005
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:34,100
Right.

1006
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,620
Well, instructional studios--

1007
00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:37,725
Instructional studios would be specific.

1008
00:41:37,725 --> 00:41:39,100
Oh, because what he was saying is

1009
00:41:39,100 --> 00:41:40,500
that it could potentially just be

1010
00:41:40,500 --> 00:41:43,500
a structural facility for yoga.

1011
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:45,490
Yeah.

1012
00:41:45,490 --> 00:41:48,130
There seems to be some overlap between the two.

1013
00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:50,130
They are similar.

1014
00:41:52,890 --> 00:41:55,210
I think that it makes sense.

1015
00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:59,930
I guess you just gotta make sure that there's--

1016
00:41:59,930 --> 00:42:02,310
I think what the mayor, Mayor Fernandez,

1017
00:42:02,310 --> 00:42:05,110
was saying was about the overlap between the two.

1018
00:42:05,110 --> 00:42:06,290
So how do we deal with it?

1019
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:09,140
Do we just add yoga to number 12 and move on?

1020
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:10,890
Or do you think we should combine the two?

1021
00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:14,210
Because it's definitely different amount of class.

1022
00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:15,190
Yeah.

1023
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:19,550
I mean, it's definitely a different parking standard.

1024
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:23,510
I mean, I'm not a parking excerpt,

1025
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:26,290
but those uses seem similar.

1026
00:42:26,290 --> 00:42:31,500
But I mean, I don't know if maybe someone from the staff

1027
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:33,650
want to maybe speak as to that.

1028
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:37,950
But it seems as if there's definitely a difference

1029
00:42:37,950 --> 00:42:40,170
in parking demand for sure.

1030
00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:42,170
Ms. Janisse.

1031
00:42:42,410 --> 00:42:44,350
Pat Janisse, acting planning director.

1032
00:42:44,350 --> 00:42:47,810
I would concur that those two should be one.

1033
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:50,730
And it wouldn't make it less confusing for anybody

1034
00:42:50,730 --> 00:42:54,330
applying for parking and also staff.

1035
00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:57,100
Less confusing is good.

1036
00:42:57,100 --> 00:43:01,530
The issue, though, is that one of them

1037
00:43:01,530 --> 00:43:04,650
is one space for [INAUDIBLE], and the other one

1038
00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:06,530
is one space per 180.

1039
00:43:06,530 --> 00:43:09,530
So that's a big difference.

1040
00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:14,170
So I would argue the opposite.

1041
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:20,980
I would argue that we should just add yoga to number 12

1042
00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:24,580
and be more conservative that way.

1043
00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:25,810
However you wish.

1044
00:43:25,810 --> 00:43:27,770
Well, it's up to counsel.

1045
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:28,910
What's your recommendation?

1046
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:29,410
I would--

1047
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:30,410
[INAUDIBLE]

1048
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:32,890
Maybe the attorneys can chime in,

1049
00:43:32,890 --> 00:43:35,530
[CHUCKLES] and Mayor Fernandez too.

1050
00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:40,130
Again, obviously, our preference is that everything is at 180.

1051
00:43:40,130 --> 00:43:43,620
Adding yoga to the 12 would be the opposite

1052
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:46,920
of what the definition of health and fitness is already.

1053
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,600
Because health and fitness yoga is within health and fitness

1054
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:51,940
as defined in the draft.

1055
00:43:51,940 --> 00:43:55,540
So therefore, it should be number 13.

1056
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,143
What the mayor is suggesting is that for clarity's sake,

1057
00:44:00,143 --> 00:44:02,600
and I understand what Pat's point of view too,

1058
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,860
is that the difference between a karate studio,

1059
00:44:05,860 --> 00:44:09,140
and a yoga studio, and a health and fitness club

1060
00:44:09,140 --> 00:44:10,860
are not different enough to justify

1061
00:44:10,860 --> 00:44:12,740
them being a separate category.

1062
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:15,660
That's the policy decision within your discretion.

1063
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:18,360
But definitely, yoga should not move into 12,

1064
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,100
it would have to stay in 13.

1065
00:44:21,100 --> 00:44:23,100
Sorry.

1066
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:27,100
Graham, that's only because yoga is

1067
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:31,180
within the definition of health and fitness, which is in 13?

1068
00:44:31,180 --> 00:44:32,620
Correct.

1069
00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:34,620
Yes.

1070
00:44:34,660 --> 00:44:36,780
It's appropriate for health and fitness definition

1071
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:37,720
under our opinion.

1072
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:40,270
So the request from the--

1073
00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:40,830
Mayor.

1074
00:44:40,830 --> 00:44:43,100
--from the outside zoning lawyers

1075
00:44:43,100 --> 00:44:49,350
was to put them all in the category with a lower standard,

1076
00:44:49,350 --> 00:44:52,950
with the one space per 180 feet.

1077
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:54,870
That makes sense.

1078
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:55,370
All right.

1079
00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:56,662
Which part of this makes sense?

1080
00:44:56,662 --> 00:44:58,650
Let me know.

1081
00:44:58,650 --> 00:45:00,800
Can we just keep it the same?

1082
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,550
What they're proffering is that we would--

1083
00:45:02,550 --> 00:45:04,310
Who?

1084
00:45:04,310 --> 00:45:07,770
Mayor Fernandez is proffering that we would go--

1085
00:45:07,770 --> 00:45:10,710
Mr. Graham doesn't like that idea.

1086
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:13,710
Well, they're proffering that everything

1087
00:45:13,830 --> 00:45:18,730
be put to the one for every 180 square foot standard,

1088
00:45:18,730 --> 00:45:23,410
which is less restrictive than the one for every 100

1089
00:45:23,410 --> 00:45:25,910
square feet, which currently is what

1090
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:28,510
we have for dance and karate.

1091
00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:34,470
So staff is always interpreted like the dance studios, very

1092
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:38,520
more intensive, because you get a lot of kids or people

1093
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,000
coming all at one time for those classes, which

1094
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,160
is why those have one for every 100 square feet, one parking

1095
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,160
space for every 100.

1096
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,660
So it's up to if you want to be more restrictive

1097
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:53,870
or if you rather loosen it up.

1098
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:55,620
And if you want to loosen it up, then yes,

1099
00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:58,520
put it to 1 for every 180.

1100
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,760
Like a Pilates class, a yoga class, but at the same thing.

1101
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,440
People all showing up at one time for an hour-long class

1102
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,400
and then leaving.

1103
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,300
It's more on the number of people in a given class.

1104
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:11,400
I think dance classes tend to have a lot more participants

1105
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,420
in a given time, just traditionally-- right, Pat,

1106
00:46:14,420 --> 00:46:15,380
would you say or--

1107
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:16,340
No.

1108
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:18,520
What's been our experience?

1109
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,120
I would say, my spinning class--

1110
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,540
I would say, like you're spinning classes--

1111
00:46:24,540 --> 00:46:26,800
It's similar?

1112
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,820
--doing all that are the same as a dance class.

1113
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:30,640
So one for 180.

1114
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:31,460
That is correct.

1115
00:46:31,460 --> 00:46:31,720
Yeah.

1116
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:32,220
OK.

1117
00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:36,823
One for 180, which is what Mayor Fernandez recommended.

1118
00:46:36,823 --> 00:46:37,740
You're good with that?

1119
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:38,240
Yes.

1120
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,960
Does anybody have a problem with that?

1121
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,460
OK.

1122
00:46:40,460 --> 00:46:41,840
Make it so.

1123
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,840
So combining 12 and 13?

1124
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,500
Correct.

1125
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:45,180
OK.

1126
00:46:45,180 --> 00:46:49,200
And then all the numbers will be changed accordingly.

1127
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,900
To 13.

1128
00:46:50,900 --> 00:46:52,138
OK.

1129
00:46:52,138 --> 00:46:53,680
Unscrew this up in a couple of years.

1130
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,180
All right.

1131
00:46:54,180 --> 00:46:57,270
Anybody else want to comment on this?

1132
00:46:57,270 --> 00:46:58,860
Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing,

1133
00:46:58,860 --> 00:46:59,880
like we already did.

1134
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,740
Do we have a motion?

1135
00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:03,340
I'll move.

1136
00:47:03,340 --> 00:47:03,940
Second.

1137
00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:04,440
All right.

1138
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:05,400
Motion is second.

1139
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,920
And the motion is to adopt, as amended,

1140
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,820
including the floor amendment regarding dance studios.

1141
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:12,340
All right.

1142
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:13,540
Ms. Clerk.

1143
00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:14,900
Council Member Greenberg.

1144
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:15,400
Yes.

1145
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,520
Council Member McDonald.

1146
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,200
Yes.

1147
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,200
Council Member Meyer.

1148
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:19,700
Yes.

1149
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:20,620
Vice Mayor Fairman.

1150
00:47:20,620 --> 00:47:21,120
Yes.

1151
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,180
Mayor Corradino.

1152
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:22,860
Yes.

1153
00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:23,680
Motion is approved.

1154
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,620
Ordinance is approved, Mayor.

1155
00:47:24,620 --> 00:47:25,120
OK.

1156
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:25,800
Perfect.

1157
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,820
Are we ready for the presentation?

1158
00:47:28,820 --> 00:47:29,360
Thank you.

1159
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,160
I believe so.

1160
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,380
And, Mr. Mayor, I'll introduce that topic

1161
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:34,723
on behalf of the PTSA.

1162
00:47:34,723 --> 00:47:36,390
And I'll provide a little bit of context

1163
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:42,230
as to why I'm doing that now versus which is not necessarily

1164
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:45,130
in line with how I introduced the topic earlier.

1165
00:47:45,130 --> 00:47:48,910
So as part of our strategic plan,

1166
00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:54,590
we have wording that expresses our support for public schools

1167
00:47:54,590 --> 00:47:57,670
and specifically, in support of exploring

1168
00:47:57,670 --> 00:48:00,950
private-public partnerships that would help improve the field

1169
00:48:00,950 --> 00:48:03,570
conditions at some of our public schools.

1170
00:48:03,570 --> 00:48:05,690
And specifically, we've been focusing--

1171
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:07,690
[INAUDIBLE]

1172
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:08,490
Yeah.

1173
00:48:08,490 --> 00:48:12,110
We've been focusing those conversations on the Palmetto

1174
00:48:12,110 --> 00:48:14,110
Middle School fields.

1175
00:48:16,350 --> 00:48:20,390
The manager has taken the lead on exploring this

1176
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:24,190
in coordination, especially with Luisa Santos' office.

1177
00:48:24,190 --> 00:48:26,510
Because it is a public-private partnership

1178
00:48:26,510 --> 00:48:28,350
that we're exploring, there's also

1179
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:32,840
been conversations with the Pinecrest Premier Soccer Club

1180
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,840
that has approximately 400 to 500 families

1181
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,400
signed up as part of the club that live in Pinecrest.

1182
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,400
And that would be potentially interested in renting out

1183
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,873
the field amongst other organizations

1184
00:48:44,873 --> 00:48:47,400
should the field conditions improve and should there

1185
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,200
be substantial levels of investments

1186
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:53,360
put into the improvement of those fields.

1187
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,320
I would like to let the manager update

1188
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,440
the council on the progress of those conversations.

1189
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,400
And then following that update, I

1190
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,560
believe the Palmetto Middle PTSA is

1191
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:09,160
present to express their support for this exploratory effort

1192
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:09,820
as well.

1193
00:49:09,820 --> 00:49:15,960
And so we should grant them time to speak on behalf of the PTSA

1194
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,800
after the manager has provided the context and the update

1195
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,000
report on how conversations have been going forward so far.

1196
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,120
So if the manager wouldn't mind.

1197
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,320
So just to give council an update,

1198
00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:31,100
during strategic planning, council

1199
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:35,900
did ask me to contact the school board

1200
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:40,660
to see if there would be any opportunity to partner with them

1201
00:49:40,660 --> 00:49:43,860
on the Palmetto Middle School Field.

1202
00:49:43,860 --> 00:49:47,380
We've had multiple meetings with different folks

1203
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:49,540
at the school board.

1204
00:49:49,540 --> 00:49:51,460
School Board Member Santos has also

1205
00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:55,140
been very active in these discussions and to facilitate

1206
00:49:55,140 --> 00:49:57,600
these discussions.

1207
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,420
Long and short of it, the school board

1208
00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:07,200
is amenable to a partnership, but because of just school board

1209
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:15,780
needs elsewhere that are more pressing than updating a field,

1210
00:50:15,780 --> 00:50:18,780
they, as an organization, are not

1211
00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:24,400
inclined to carry the debt for something like this.

1212
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:25,500
And they're asking if there's going

1213
00:50:25,500 --> 00:50:28,790
to be a partnership, that we do it similarly to how

1214
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:32,470
other cities do it, which is the debt is carried

1215
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:35,300
on the books of the municipality.

1216
00:50:35,300 --> 00:50:39,190
The school board allows us to use the field after hours

1217
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:41,750
and program the fields, and keep the revenues that

1218
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:45,770
are generated from the rentals of these facilities.

1219
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:48,650
And we have similar arrangements with them already.

1220
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:53,950
So I have seen draft joint use agreements that we've already

1221
00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:59,350
worked through several drafts with staff and the attorneys.

1222
00:51:00,310 --> 00:51:03,970
The issue now is timing of everything.

1223
00:51:03,970 --> 00:51:07,190
I know that we have folks here from both Pinecrest

1224
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:08,970
Premier as well as PTA.

1225
00:51:08,970 --> 00:51:12,550
They wanted to speak to council in anticipation of our budget

1226
00:51:12,550 --> 00:51:14,672
hearing and meetings, the workshops

1227
00:51:14,672 --> 00:51:16,130
that we're going to have in August,

1228
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:19,970
because workshops don't allow for public input.

1229
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:23,330
So I think that's really what's coming before you.

1230
00:51:23,330 --> 00:51:27,530
But also, I did receive project estimates

1231
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,360
and a conceptual design of how this would be laid out

1232
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,280
that we can also have available to council

1233
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,200
when we get into budget workshop.

1234
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,680
But that's where we're really at is, at this point,

1235
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,360
when we get into budget discussions, whether or not

1236
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:51,640
the timing for council on moving forward with this project.

1237
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:52,140
All right.

1238
00:51:52,140 --> 00:51:54,140
Thank you.

1239
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,920
Who's up?

1240
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:55,740
Thank you, manager.

1241
00:51:55,740 --> 00:52:02,200
And with that, I'll let the PTSA come up to the podium.

1242
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:02,920
Hello, everyone.

1243
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:03,420
Thank you.

1244
00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:04,900
Sorry for the confusion earlier.

1245
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:05,200
That's all right.

1246
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,600
As I mentioned, my name is Jennifer Sturgis.

1247
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,200
I am the newly elected president of the Palmetto Middle School

1248
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,920
PTSA.

1249
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,300
I'm happy to be here today.

1250
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:15,740
We have several other members of our PTSA,

1251
00:52:15,740 --> 00:52:17,740
other parents, grandparents.

1252
00:52:17,980 --> 00:52:21,560
And our brand new and fabulous principal

1253
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:27,560
is also here, Ms. Milian-Valdez, in support of this project.

1254
00:52:27,650 --> 00:52:32,130
I just briefly wanted to say we've spoken with Council Member

1255
00:52:32,130 --> 00:52:33,170
Meyer.

1256
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:37,970
We've spoken with School Board Member Santos' staff

1257
00:52:38,250 --> 00:52:40,150
and School Board Member Santos herself.

1258
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:42,750
We've learned a lot about this project.

1259
00:52:42,750 --> 00:52:46,170
We are aware of it, because there is a similar use agreement

1260
00:52:46,170 --> 00:52:49,770
in place in the current time.

1261
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:53,490
It's our position that this is a win for the village,

1262
00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:57,210
of course, because your involvement would help expand

1263
00:52:57,210 --> 00:53:00,690
access to parks and recreational spaces

1264
00:53:00,690 --> 00:53:03,900
for the village residents.

1265
00:53:03,210 --> 00:53:06,650
Children in the neighborhood are walking over, participating in

1266
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:09,390
all the sports and activities that happen,

1267
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:13,170
as the manager mentioned, after school hours

1268
00:53:13,170 --> 00:53:14,450
and on the weekends.

1269
00:53:14,450 --> 00:53:17,500
And it's also our position in representing

1270
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:19,790
the PTSA and the parents at our school and families,

1271
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:24,750
that it's a win for our fabulous neighborhood traditional middle

1272
00:53:24,750 --> 00:53:26,700
school.

1273
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:27,670
We are exactly that.

1274
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:30,630
We are not a magnet school, we are

1275
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:32,650
your traditional neighborhood school.

1276
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:33,850
And we're proud of that.

1277
00:53:33,850 --> 00:53:37,700
We offer everything for everyone who wants

1278
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:39,390
to be a part of our school.

1279
00:53:39,390 --> 00:53:42,700
And an upgrade to the field, which it desperately

1280
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:47,270
needs at this point, would serve our students, most of whom

1281
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:50,230
are residents as well, during school hours

1282
00:53:50,230 --> 00:53:52,310
and in all of their extracurricular activities

1283
00:53:52,310 --> 00:53:55,390
that they participate in on those fields.

1284
00:53:55,390 --> 00:53:58,390
If any of you follow what's happening at Palmetto Middle

1285
00:53:58,390 --> 00:54:00,870
School, we Excel in all of these athletics

1286
00:54:00,870 --> 00:54:02,870
that we participate in.

1287
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:04,770
And these are happening at our school.

1288
00:54:04,770 --> 00:54:07,390
It serves as a great opportunity for these students

1289
00:54:07,390 --> 00:54:08,590
to become leaders.

1290
00:54:08,590 --> 00:54:11,510
It serves as a great opportunity for us

1291
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:14,210
to showcase what's so fabulous at our school.

1292
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:16,350
We are constantly trying to recruit and compete

1293
00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:19,300
against the other schooling options.

1294
00:54:19,300 --> 00:54:22,240
And the use of this field of the upgrades to these facilities

1295
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:25,840
would help us in serving that need and desire

1296
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,880
to continue recruiting on behalf of Palmetto Middle School.

1297
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,160
So with that said, I know that we have someone

1298
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,360
from School Board Member Santos' office here.

1299
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:40,440
And we also have maybe one or two other parents who

1300
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,960
might want to say something.

1301
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,200
I can share that Principal Valero, who

1302
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,960
just left, she recently retired, was fully in support of this.

1303
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,560
We had been through many walkthroughs and whatnot

1304
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,680
at the school.

1305
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,800
And in our transition to our new principal, Ms. Milian-Valdez,

1306
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,205
I know that she's learned about the project,

1307
00:55:00,205 --> 00:55:01,580
understands the importance of it,

1308
00:55:01,580 --> 00:55:03,620
is also very much in support of it.

1309
00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:05,660
So I can speak on behalf of both of them,

1310
00:55:05,660 --> 00:55:07,240
that they are excited and hopeful

1311
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:11,000
that this idea and project can become a reality at our school.

1312
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,120
So I'm going to turn it over quickly.

1313
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,400
Thank you for having me.

1314
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:17,660
Hello.

1315
00:55:17,660 --> 00:55:18,760
I'm Johanna Ralsten-Cox.

1316
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,890
I'm the chief of staff for Luisa Santos.

1317
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:22,350
And she could not be here today.

1318
00:55:22,350 --> 00:55:26,625
So I just came to share that exactly as Ms. Sturgis says,

1319
00:55:26,625 --> 00:55:28,250
she is fully in support of this project

1320
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:31,390
and really thanks the village for considering it.

1321
00:55:31,390 --> 00:55:35,870
And also, thank you so much, Ms. Galiano,

1322
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:39,500
thank you, for everything you've done

1323
00:55:39,500 --> 00:55:44,690
as well to coordinate with the school board as well on this.

1324
00:55:44,690 --> 00:55:45,190
All right.

1325
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:46,500
Thank you.

1326
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:47,450
Any questions from the council?

1327
00:55:47,450 --> 00:55:52,270
Mr. Mayor, I was going to, if it's OK with you,

1328
00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:53,630
invite one more person to speak.

1329
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:54,130
Absolutely.

1330
00:55:54,130 --> 00:55:58,500
If Pinecrest Premier, Manny, can come up.

1331
00:55:58,500 --> 00:55:58,790
Thank you.

1332
00:55:58,790 --> 00:56:00,790
Welcome.

1333
00:56:03,610 --> 00:56:05,610
Good evening.

1334
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:07,210
Good evening.

1335
00:56:07,210 --> 00:56:07,890
Good evening.

1336
00:56:07,890 --> 00:56:10,788
It's good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and council members.

1337
00:56:10,788 --> 00:56:13,330
Before I begin, I would like to recognize school board member

1338
00:56:13,330 --> 00:56:16,410
Lisa Santos, and thank her for taking her time to meet with me

1339
00:56:16,410 --> 00:56:19,420
and her willingness to explore this opportunity.

1340
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:20,750
Her commitment to finding innovative ways

1341
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:22,792
to strengthen our public schools and better serve

1342
00:56:22,792 --> 00:56:25,230
the students of our community is greatly appreciated.

1343
00:56:25,230 --> 00:56:28,110
I look forward to continuing to work alongside her, Miami-Dade

1344
00:56:28,110 --> 00:56:31,510
County Public Schools, and the village of Pinecrest

1345
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:33,710
to make this vision a reality.

1346
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:35,750
My name is Manuel Escobio.

1347
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:38,530
I stand before you not only as a resident of Pinecrest,

1348
00:56:38,530 --> 00:56:41,870
but also as president of Pinecrest Premier Soccer Club,

1349
00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:44,870
a local 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.

1350
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:47,110
Every member of our board of directors

1351
00:56:47,110 --> 00:56:49,110
lives in Pinecrest because we're deeply invested

1352
00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:51,510
in the future of this community.

1353
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:53,710
I'm joined this evening by Maura Lamar,

1354
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:55,850
who serves as general manager for the club.

1355
00:56:55,850 --> 00:56:57,350
Tonight, I'm asking for your support

1356
00:56:57,350 --> 00:57:00,353
for a project that's much larger than soccer.

1357
00:57:00,353 --> 00:57:01,770
Throughout my professional career,

1358
00:57:01,770 --> 00:57:03,520
two individuals have profoundly influenced

1359
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,590
the way I approach difficult decisions--

1360
00:57:05,590 --> 00:57:07,910
Warren Buffett and his late partner, Charlie Munger.

1361
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:10,350
One of Charlie Munger's most enduring principles

1362
00:57:10,350 --> 00:57:12,670
was the practice of inversion.

1363
00:57:12,670 --> 00:57:14,490
When confronted with a difficult problem,

1364
00:57:14,490 --> 00:57:17,560
he would encourage us not only to ask how do we succeed,

1365
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:21,800
but also to invert the question and ask how do we fail.

1366
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,200
Applying that principle here, we should certainly

1367
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,280
consider the tremendous benefits of modernizing

1368
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,000
the athletic facilities at Palmetto Middle School.

1369
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,840
But we should also ask ourselves a more important question--

1370
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,960
what happens if we do nothing?

1371
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,720
If we choose not to act, the status quo

1372
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,400
is unlikely to remain static.

1373
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,420
Competing schools, both public and charter,

1374
00:57:38,420 --> 00:57:40,600
will continue investing in modern campuses

1375
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,640
and athletic facilities, while Pinecrest

1376
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,400
risks falling further behind.

1377
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,640
Families evaluating where to educate their children

1378
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,720
increasingly consider the overall student experience,

1379
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,880
including the quality of school facilities.

1380
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,640
As the gap widens, enrollment pressures

1381
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,120
may increase attracting, and retaining exceptional teachers

1382
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,120
and staff may become more difficult.

1383
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,820
Community pride may diminish.

1384
00:58:03,820 --> 00:58:05,680
And we will have missed a rare opportunity

1385
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,840
to create a shared public asset that

1386
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,360
benefits students, residents, and generations to come.

1387
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:12,840
The greatest risk before us is not

1388
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,100
that we undertake an ambitious project.

1389
00:58:15,100 --> 00:58:16,610
The greatest risk is that we fail

1390
00:58:16,610 --> 00:58:18,690
to act while every community around us

1391
00:58:18,690 --> 00:58:20,622
continues moving forward.

1392
00:58:20,622 --> 00:58:22,330
Strong public schools are the foundations

1393
00:58:22,330 --> 00:58:23,770
of strong communities.

1394
00:58:23,770 --> 00:58:26,370
They attract families, sustain property values,

1395
00:58:26,370 --> 00:58:28,490
fosters civic pride, and shape how

1396
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:31,730
a community is perceived by those considering making it

1397
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:32,350
their home.

1398
00:58:32,350 --> 00:58:33,850
When we invest in our schools, we're

1399
00:58:33,850 --> 00:58:36,210
investing in the long-term vitality and competitiveness

1400
00:58:36,210 --> 00:58:37,690
of Pinecrest itself.

1401
00:58:37,690 --> 00:58:39,370
Across Miami-Dade County, communities

1402
00:58:39,370 --> 00:58:41,730
have recognized that modern athletic facilities

1403
00:58:41,730 --> 00:58:43,510
are no longer a luxury.

1404
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:46,410
They're an essential part of attracting families, supporting

1405
00:58:46,410 --> 00:58:50,100
students, and creating vibrant public spaces.

1406
00:58:50,490 --> 00:58:52,290
South Miami, Coral Gables, Key Biscayne,

1407
00:58:52,290 --> 00:58:54,450
and numerous Miami-Dade County Public schools

1408
00:58:54,450 --> 00:58:57,290
have all invested in modern athletic facilities

1409
00:58:57,290 --> 00:58:59,490
and have become valuable community assets.

1410
00:58:59,490 --> 00:59:01,560
Pinecrest should not be left behind.

1411
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,810
Palmetto Middle School is an outstanding public school

1412
00:59:03,810 --> 00:59:07,210
with a proud history, but first impressions matter.

1413
00:59:07,210 --> 00:59:08,950
When families compare schools today,

1414
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:10,950
facilities influence perceptions.

1415
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:14,340
Modernizing this campus would give students a first class

1416
00:59:14,340 --> 00:59:16,220
athletic environment during school hours,

1417
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:18,220
while creating an asset the entire community can

1418
00:59:18,220 --> 00:59:20,200
enjoy after school.

1419
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,540
This project is also an opportunity

1420
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:24,600
to show an effective public-private partnership

1421
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:24,680
can work.

1422
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,820
And Pinecrest is uniquely positioned to be that partner.

1423
00:59:27,820 --> 00:59:29,500
For more than two decades, our nonprofit

1424
00:59:29,500 --> 00:59:31,460
has been a pillar of this community.

1425
00:59:31,460 --> 00:59:34,780
Today, we proudly serve more than 2,000 young adult,

1426
00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:36,520
young athletes, and their families,

1427
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,200
making us one of the largest youth soccer organizations

1428
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:43,260
in South Florida and the largest youth organization in Pinecrest.

1429
00:59:43,260 --> 00:59:44,940
Every weekend, our fields bring together

1430
00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:47,560
thousands of parents, grandparents, volunteers,

1431
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,700
coaches, and children, who share a common purpose--

1432
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:53,860
helping young people grow into successful adults.

1433
00:59:53,860 --> 00:59:55,500
Several years ago, Pinecrest Premier

1434
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:58,500
participated in a competitive request

1435
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,700
for proposals, process, and RFP.

1436
01:00:01,700 --> 01:00:04,180
Our proposal received the highest evaluation score

1437
01:00:04,180 --> 01:00:06,420
by a significant margin, because of the strength

1438
01:00:06,420 --> 01:00:09,180
of our vision, our leadership, our partnership,

1439
01:00:09,180 --> 01:00:12,120
our financial stewardship, and our unwavering commitment

1440
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,200
to serving this community.

1441
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,800
We accepted that responsibility because we

1442
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,640
believe we could help make youth sports

1443
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,560
and Pinecrest even stronger.

1444
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,840
Yet, despite earning that distinction,

1445
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,800
the additional access to quality fields that many anticipated

1446
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,607
has never materialized.

1447
01:00:27,607 --> 01:00:29,440
The great obstacle to fulfilling our mission

1448
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,320
has never been a lack of volunteers, coaches,

1449
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,420
or families.

1450
01:00:32,420 --> 01:00:35,560
It has been the shortage of quality athletic facilities.

1451
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,600
That is precisely the gap this project would close.

1452
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,920
Every afternoon, we have images that our general manager

1453
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,000
is sharing that shows the current conditions of what

1454
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,200
Palmetto Middle currently looks like.

1455
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,300
This is where rec program is currently at.

1456
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:52,160
We have over 700 members.

1457
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,760
It's in our rec program.

1458
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,280
It's that run from U4 through U7.

1459
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,880
That, obviously, is far from optimal.

1460
01:01:02,972 --> 01:01:04,680
Every afternoon, hundreds of young people

1461
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:05,740
step onto our fields.

1462
01:01:05,740 --> 01:01:07,740
They learn teamwork before they learn tactics.

1463
01:01:07,740 --> 01:01:10,850
They learn resilience after losing a difficult match.

1464
01:01:10,850 --> 01:01:12,850
They learn discipline, humility, accountability,

1465
01:01:12,850 --> 01:01:14,770
and perseverance-- the qualities that

1466
01:01:14,770 --> 01:01:18,633
shapes successful adults, engage citizens, and future leaders.

1467
01:01:18,633 --> 01:01:20,500
While many of our players continue

1468
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:22,310
their athletic careers in college,

1469
01:01:22,310 --> 01:01:25,290
what makes us most proud is that more than 95%

1470
01:01:25,290 --> 01:01:28,330
pursue higher education Pinecrest Premier's mission has

1471
01:01:28,330 --> 01:01:31,730
never been simply to develop exceptional soccer players,

1472
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:34,850
it has always been to develop exceptional people who

1473
01:01:34,850 --> 01:01:36,850
become exemplary citizens.

1474
01:01:38,770 --> 01:01:41,410
Every organization is ultimately defined by one thing--

1475
01:01:41,410 --> 01:01:44,530
its ability to decide how its limited resources are allocated

1476
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:46,850
to its most pressing needs.

1477
01:01:46,850 --> 01:01:49,890
That is true in business, and it's true in local government.

1478
01:01:49,890 --> 01:01:51,310
Priorities are a choice.

1479
01:01:51,310 --> 01:01:54,410
And tonight, I'm asking the council to choose wisely.

1480
01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:56,410
We're all aware that the village recently

1481
01:01:56,410 --> 01:01:58,467
completed the purchase of [INAUDIBLE] property.

1482
01:01:58,467 --> 01:02:00,500
And I have seen the initial renderings

1483
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,330
that are generally beautiful.

1484
01:02:02,330 --> 01:02:04,550
But as a resident of Pinecrest for nearly 30 years,

1485
01:02:04,550 --> 01:02:06,660
I'll be honest with you, I do not use the park,

1486
01:02:06,660 --> 01:02:11,180
and I do not feel my family's quality of life depends on it.

1487
01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:14,980
Council members, opportunities like this do not come often.

1488
01:02:14,980 --> 01:02:17,140
These are moments in public service

1489
01:02:17,140 --> 01:02:18,700
when elected leaders have the chance

1490
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:20,980
to make decisions, whose benefits extend well

1491
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:24,900
beyond a single budget cycle or even a single generation.

1492
01:02:24,900 --> 01:02:26,815
I believe this is one of those moments.

1493
01:02:26,815 --> 01:02:28,940
This project will strengthen one of our community's

1494
01:02:28,940 --> 01:02:33,200
premier public schools, beautify one of Pinecrest's most visible

1495
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,200
public campuses, expand recreational opportunities

1496
01:02:36,460 --> 01:02:40,000
for thousands of families, encourage healthier lifestyles,

1497
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,360
reinforce the desirability of our community,

1498
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,620
and create a lasting legacy for generations to come.

1499
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:47,940
I respectfully ask that you support

1500
01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:50,780
moving this project forward and work collaboratively

1501
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:53,260
with Miami-Dade Public County Schools, Pinehurst Premier

1502
01:02:53,260 --> 01:02:57,100
Soccer Club, and our community to make it a reality.

1503
01:02:57,100 --> 01:03:00,160
I began this evening with Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger,

1504
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,100
because they understand that truly consequential decisions

1505
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:05,320
require us to think beyond the immediate

1506
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,360
and focus on the long term.

1507
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,760
In business, we often say that the greatest investments

1508
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,960
are those whose returns compound over time.

1509
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,460
The same is true of investments in our children, our schools,

1510
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:18,840
and our community.

1511
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,480
The measure of great leadership is not

1512
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,200
whether we solve today's problems,

1513
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,400
but whether we have the vision to prevent tomorrows,

1514
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,120
and the courage to seize opportunities

1515
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:31,200
whose greatest rewards may not be realized for years to come.

1516
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,480
Let us choose progress over complacency,

1517
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,000
partnership over hesitation, and legacy over convenience.

1518
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Thank you for your time, your service, and your consideration.

1519
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,800
you very much.

1520
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:42,840
Any questions from the council?

1521
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,738
I would just ask if we could get copies of that.

1522
01:03:46,738 --> 01:03:48,780
Those documents, if you have them electronically,

1523
01:03:48,780 --> 01:03:51,800
if you could send them through the clerk, that'd great.

1524
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:52,380
Thank you.

1525
01:03:52,380 --> 01:03:54,320
Thanks for your--

1526
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:54,820
All right.

1527
01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:55,903
Thank you, all, very much.

1528
01:03:55,903 --> 01:03:58,660
And just if I briefly, because the schools are here,

1529
01:03:58,660 --> 01:04:01,600
I'm going to talk.

1530
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:01,860
Not on the subject.

1531
01:04:01,860 --> 01:04:03,170
I just want to--

1532
01:04:03,170 --> 01:04:07,355
with Ms. Ralsten-Cox here and the representatives

1533
01:04:07,355 --> 01:04:08,730
from Palmetto Middle, I just want

1534
01:04:08,730 --> 01:04:11,517
to use the opportunity to thank you all for everything

1535
01:04:11,517 --> 01:04:13,350
you do for the school and for the community,

1536
01:04:13,350 --> 01:04:15,690
and to welcome Ms. Milian-Valdez, who

1537
01:04:15,690 --> 01:04:20,530
will undoubtedly get tired of me at the EAC next year.

1538
01:04:20,530 --> 01:04:23,910
But it's great to have you all here--

1539
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:29,607
the incoming president of PTA, the outgoing, so many of you.

1540
01:04:29,607 --> 01:04:31,690
Shapiro, good to have you back at Palmetto Middle.

1541
01:04:31,690 --> 01:04:34,550
But thank you for all you do for our schools and our community.

1542
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:35,643
Thank you all as well.

1543
01:04:35,643 --> 01:04:37,810
I could have gone on more about school things, but--

1544
01:04:37,810 --> 01:04:38,810
You did a great job.

1545
01:04:38,810 --> 01:04:39,710
I was quick.

1546
01:04:39,710 --> 01:04:40,427
Well, thank you.

1547
01:04:40,427 --> 01:04:42,510
I could talk about the state policy if you'd like.

1548
01:04:42,510 --> 01:04:44,410
I got all sorts of topics.

1549
01:04:44,410 --> 01:04:45,230
The buzzer worked.

1550
01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:47,187
The buzzer worked.

1551
01:04:47,187 --> 01:04:48,270
The shock, the dog collar.

1552
01:04:48,270 --> 01:04:48,490
Yes.

1553
01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:48,870
Thank you.

1554
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:49,912
Keep pushing that button.

1555
01:04:49,912 --> 01:04:53,100
So we'll get more details on this in our work

1556
01:04:53,100 --> 01:04:54,250
up to the budget, as far as--

1557
01:04:54,250 --> 01:04:55,150
Theoretically, yes.

1558
01:04:55,150 --> 01:04:55,650
Yes.

1559
01:04:55,650 --> 01:04:56,890
OK.

1560
01:04:56,890 --> 01:04:57,690
All right.

1561
01:04:57,690 --> 01:04:59,100
Thank you.

1562
01:04:59,100 --> 01:04:59,510
All right.

1563
01:04:59,510 --> 01:05:00,100
Good.

1564
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:01,150
All right.

1565
01:05:01,150 --> 01:05:03,120
I have one other thing to say.

1566
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:03,900
Yeah.

1567
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,340
It's listening to the gentleman, your presentation, which

1568
01:05:06,340 --> 01:05:08,900
was well done, it reminded me, way back when

1569
01:05:08,900 --> 01:05:13,420
my kids were small, I actually coached soccer.

1570
01:05:13,420 --> 01:05:17,200
And we used at Palmetto Elementary

1571
01:05:17,420 --> 01:05:21,980
over to the space that's right next to 124 Street, which

1572
01:05:21,980 --> 01:05:23,160
was then wide open.

1573
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:26,600
This was back in, I think, the early '80s.

1574
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,600
And I was asked to coach.

1575
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,220
And I never played soccer, but I got the rule book out,

1576
01:05:31,220 --> 01:05:32,280
and I figured it out.

1577
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,780
I used to tell the kids, just kick it that way

1578
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:36,113
into the-- anyway, I had a woman come up to me and said,

1579
01:05:36,113 --> 01:05:37,540
boy, you're such a good coach.

1580
01:05:37,540 --> 01:05:38,878
She never played soccer either.

1581
01:05:38,878 --> 01:05:39,920
I said, if you only knew.

1582
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:40,480
But anyway--

1583
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:41,780
[LAUGHTER]

1584
01:05:41,780 --> 01:05:43,260
I'm always looking for volunteers.

1585
01:05:43,260 --> 01:05:43,760
No.

1586
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,163
[LAUGHTER]

1587
01:05:45,163 --> 01:05:46,800
Been there, done that.

1588
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:48,860
And I think that field is planted with native plant

1589
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:50,140
of the month grass.

1590
01:05:50,140 --> 01:05:51,720
Well, it looks like it.

1591
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,320
You can't play soccer there anymore.

1592
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,580
[INAUDIBLE] all the varieties.

1593
01:05:54,580 --> 01:05:57,660
All the varieties of grass and the ankle buster.

1594
01:05:57,660 --> 01:05:58,160
All right.

1595
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,243
Thank you, all, very much.

1596
01:05:59,243 --> 01:06:01,940
Let's go to reports and recommendations.

1597
01:06:01,940 --> 01:06:03,690
Village council did the plan of the month.

1598
01:06:03,690 --> 01:06:06,930
Village manager, communicated council, what have you got?

1599
01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:10,270
Anybody got any questions for the communicated council?

1600
01:06:10,270 --> 01:06:12,900
Were you going to do the native plant?

1601
01:06:12,900 --> 01:06:13,943
We did that already in your absence.

1602
01:06:13,943 --> 01:06:15,110
You can do it again, though.

1603
01:06:15,110 --> 01:06:15,930
You want to do it again?

1604
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:16,550
No, that's fine.

1605
01:06:16,550 --> 01:06:18,130
Do you want to find out which one you want to take home?

1606
01:06:18,130 --> 01:06:18,770
No, no, no, no.

1607
01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:19,270
Let's go.

1608
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:21,270
Let's go.

1609
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:22,250
All right.

1610
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:22,876
Any questions for communicating?

1611
01:06:22,876 --> 01:06:25,270
Any questions for the communicating council?

1612
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:29,470
Seeing none, tab 8, what's Youth Governance Day?

1613
01:06:29,940 --> 01:06:31,190
We got to do anything on that?

1614
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:34,510
Mr. Mayor, is this the time that you

1615
01:06:34,510 --> 01:06:36,830
want to talk about the speed limit change?

1616
01:06:36,830 --> 01:06:39,313
I never want to talk about speed limit change, but you're--

1617
01:06:39,313 --> 01:06:40,730
Bringing up all the greatest hits.

1618
01:06:40,730 --> 01:06:42,210
I think the village manager has an update on that.

1619
01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:43,870
Oh, you were talking about the-- you're

1620
01:06:43,870 --> 01:06:46,470
asking the manager to do the roof thing while we're at it?

1621
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:48,110
Do you want to do the roof thing, too?

1622
01:06:48,110 --> 01:06:48,690
Speed limit.

1623
01:06:48,690 --> 01:06:52,350
Didn't we put the speed limits to bed already?

1624
01:06:52,350 --> 01:06:53,770
I thought so.

1625
01:06:53,770 --> 01:06:57,890
So the update is, the county's legal department is still

1626
01:06:57,890 --> 01:07:01,930
reviewing the letter that we sent, advising them

1627
01:07:01,930 --> 01:07:04,450
that we wanted to update the speed

1628
01:07:04,450 --> 01:07:06,390
limits on the arterial roads.

1629
01:07:06,390 --> 01:07:12,410
So jury is still out and being discussed by legal department

1630
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:14,900
county.

1631
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:16,770
The Youth Governance Day update, there's

1632
01:07:16,770 --> 01:07:20,970
a letter that's included in your packet.

1633
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:23,650
I don't know if you have any questions.

1634
01:07:23,650 --> 01:07:24,510
I do not.

1635
01:07:24,510 --> 01:07:28,890
And then we have the submission of the capital and operating

1636
01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:29,390
budget.

1637
01:07:29,390 --> 01:07:32,730
But before I get into that, can we just

1638
01:07:32,730 --> 01:07:35,270
go on to the fine mitigation request?

1639
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:38,610
I know that there was an attorney here

1640
01:07:38,610 --> 01:07:40,610
representing that individual.

1641
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:43,990
I think they were going to ask for a deferral of the item.

1642
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:46,210
Or you're going to go ahead and--

1643
01:07:46,210 --> 01:07:48,210
Here we go.

1644
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:49,690
Sorry.

1645
01:07:49,690 --> 01:07:50,190
Hi.

1646
01:07:50,190 --> 01:07:52,948
Amanda Corcan, office is at 1395 Brickell Avenue, Suite 800.

1647
01:07:52,948 --> 01:07:54,490
My client had emergency, is not going

1648
01:07:54,490 --> 01:07:55,470
to be able to be here today.

1649
01:07:55,470 --> 01:07:58,600
I'm ready to make a presentation without him, but to the extent

1650
01:07:58,600 --> 01:07:59,893
that you'd like to hear from him personally,

1651
01:07:59,893 --> 01:08:02,860
then we are willing to defer it.

1652
01:08:02,860 --> 01:08:04,597
Anybody care?

1653
01:08:04,597 --> 01:08:06,180
I mean, you're here, you might as well

1654
01:08:06,180 --> 01:08:07,320
go as far as I'm concerned.

1655
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:07,820
I'm ready.

1656
01:08:07,820 --> 01:08:08,880
All right, fire away.

1657
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:09,680
You want to do that one?

1658
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:10,180
Good.

1659
01:08:10,180 --> 01:08:11,360
You want to do that now or--

1660
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:12,110
Yeah, let's do it.

1661
01:08:12,110 --> 01:08:13,140
OK.

1662
01:08:13,140 --> 01:08:15,140
OK.

1663
01:08:16,180 --> 01:08:18,819
As I stated, I'm Amanda Corcan.

1664
01:08:18,819 --> 01:08:22,420
I am here on a mitigation request for 60 to 85 South West

1665
01:08:22,420 --> 01:08:23,620
98th Street.

1666
01:08:23,620 --> 01:08:28,100
This is a property that was bought out of foreclosure.

1667
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:30,979
I don't know if you want to hear from your staff first or from me

1668
01:08:30,979 --> 01:08:32,979
first.

1669
01:08:33,580 --> 01:08:36,460
Typically, the applicant speaks first,

1670
01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:38,439
and then the staff will respond.

1671
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,140
OK, let's do it that way.

1672
01:08:41,140 --> 01:08:43,960
This was a property that was bought out of foreclosure.

1673
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,319
It had a history of violations, including unsecured pools,

1674
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:50,400
stagnant pool conditions, a bunch of other small ones,

1675
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,560
and then also a big one for unpermitted work.

1676
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,270
Previous owners had done unpermitted building work,

1677
01:08:55,270 --> 01:08:58,270
finds violations dating back to 2020.

1678
01:08:59,690 --> 01:09:02,630
When my client bought the property in foreclosure,

1679
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:04,189
it was through an auction.

1680
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:05,750
And he took title.

1681
01:09:05,750 --> 01:09:10,550
He did not take title until August 7 of 2025.

1682
01:09:10,750 --> 01:09:14,690
OK, so you're looking at basically violations from 2020

1683
01:09:14,690 --> 01:09:16,450
for unpermitted work accruing through 2025.

1684
01:09:16,450 --> 01:09:20,500
He takes title in August 7 of 2025.

1685
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:26,122
He went to review the property, looked at the house, and said,

1686
01:09:26,122 --> 01:09:26,861
you know what?

1687
01:09:26,861 --> 01:09:29,569
It's going to be way too much to deal with this unpermitted work.

1688
01:09:29,569 --> 01:09:31,792
The property has been derelict for a number of years

1689
01:09:31,792 --> 01:09:33,750
in the village of Pinecrest, so it's an eyesore

1690
01:09:33,750 --> 01:09:34,625
for the neighborhood.

1691
01:09:34,625 --> 01:09:35,870
And he said, you know what?

1692
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:37,350
We'll demolish the house.

1693
01:09:37,350 --> 01:09:38,609
We'll take care of the pool.

1694
01:09:38,609 --> 01:09:40,710
We'll take care of all the stagnant conditions.

1695
01:09:40,710 --> 01:09:41,977
And they did so immediately.

1696
01:09:41,977 --> 01:09:43,810
They immediately reached out to the village,

1697
01:09:43,810 --> 01:09:46,189
immediately applied for the building permit

1698
01:09:46,189 --> 01:09:48,710
to demolish the property, immediately

1699
01:09:48,710 --> 01:09:51,500
took care of the stagnant conditions.

1700
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:54,130
The pool had already been secured by that time,

1701
01:09:54,130 --> 01:09:56,370
but he did act with all due diligence

1702
01:09:56,370 --> 01:09:58,530
after he obtained title through foreclosure.

1703
01:09:58,530 --> 01:10:02,130
Right now, the fines are in the amount together with costs

1704
01:10:02,130 --> 01:10:05,810
and interest, like $587,000, because they all go back

1705
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:07,690
to 2020.

1706
01:10:07,690 --> 01:10:11,770
I submitted a request to mitigate for costs plus a good

1707
01:10:11,770 --> 01:10:15,710
faith contribution of $25,000 to the village of Pinecrest.

1708
01:10:15,710 --> 01:10:19,890
And the reason is, he does plan to build his residence there.

1709
01:10:19,890 --> 01:10:21,470
He is investing in the community.

1710
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:23,700
The property was derelict.

1711
01:10:23,700 --> 01:10:25,690
And think there is a public policy in favor

1712
01:10:25,690 --> 01:10:27,890
of encouraging people to take these properties

1713
01:10:27,890 --> 01:10:30,710
and deal with them, to the benefit of the neighborhood.

1714
01:10:30,710 --> 01:10:33,690
So he did immediately do all the things

1715
01:10:33,690 --> 01:10:35,870
necessary to take care of this property.

1716
01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:39,500
Right now, it's cleared and ready

1717
01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:42,770
for-- he's going to be filing plans to do a single family

1718
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:45,170
residence at the property.

1719
01:10:45,330 --> 01:10:49,770
So my respectful request is for the fines to be reduced

1720
01:10:49,770 --> 01:10:51,770
to $25,000 plus costs.

1721
01:10:52,820 --> 01:10:55,540
One of the bases, if you want to think about numbers of where

1722
01:10:55,540 --> 01:10:59,380
that number comes from, if you look at when he acquired title

1723
01:10:59,380 --> 01:11:03,600
to the property, August 7, 2025, till the time that the property

1724
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,780
was completely demolished, permit closed,

1725
01:11:05,780 --> 01:11:10,300
and everything like that, the total amount of fines that had

1726
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:14,620
accrued during his time of ownership to get the demolition

1727
01:11:14,620 --> 01:11:18,220
done and everything like that, 33,419 total.

1728
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:21,100
That includes costs.

1729
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:23,420
But obviously, during that time, it

1730
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:25,200
took quite a while to get a permit

1731
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,640
from the village of Pinecrest to get the demolition.

1732
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:33,180
So the $25,000 is reasonably based on what a fine would be

1733
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:35,600
for the time that he had control of the property.

1734
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:40,820
And I have spoken, our client has worked with the village

1735
01:11:40,820 --> 01:11:43,308
to really take care of this immediately

1736
01:11:43,308 --> 01:11:44,600
for the benefit of the village.

1737
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,825
So we would respectfully request that consideration.

1738
01:11:46,825 --> 01:11:48,200
I'm here to answer any questions.

1739
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,230
I also have the general contractor here.

1740
01:11:50,230 --> 01:11:53,190
To the extent that you have any questions about the violations

1741
01:11:53,190 --> 01:11:56,190
or the condition of the house, the demolition or anything

1742
01:11:56,190 --> 01:11:57,510
like that, they are available.

1743
01:11:57,510 --> 01:12:01,950
And then otherwise, I defer to staff and answer questions.

1744
01:12:01,950 --> 01:12:03,950
All right.

1745
01:12:04,420 --> 01:12:06,420
Ms. Cabrera.

1746
01:12:07,950 --> 01:12:09,730
For the record, my name is Esther Cabrera.

1747
01:12:09,730 --> 01:12:12,550
I'm the co-compliance supervisor for the village of Pinecrest.

1748
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:14,990
Being brought before you today is a request for mitigation

1749
01:12:14,990 --> 01:12:20,390
of fines for the property located at 6285 Southwest 99th

1750
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:26,150
Street by the current owner, which is Carbonell, LLC.

1751
01:12:26,150 --> 01:12:30,350
Each case being presented was an excessive fines of 100,000.

1752
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:33,510
And as per division 2-150, the village council has

1753
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:37,520
the authority to consider this mitigation request.

1754
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:38,510
I'm going to go ahead and just say,

1755
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:40,770
I'm going to repeat a little bit of what Amanda Corcan said,

1756
01:12:40,770 --> 01:12:42,210
just we're all on the record.

1757
01:12:42,210 --> 01:12:45,110
Currently, the property has an outstanding balance

1758
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:47,110
of $578,313.79.

1759
01:12:50,440 --> 01:12:53,160
Each case has been broken down in the memorandum submitted on

1760
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:57,000
July 1 for your consideration, which is in your packet.

1761
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,160
A quick history, this property does go back as

1762
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,160
of November of 2020.

1763
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,560
The first violation that was issued,

1764
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,920
if it's on page 2 of the memorandum,

1765
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,520
it was for a interior renovation.

1766
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,520
This interior renovation was brought into compliance

1767
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,640
by Carbonell, LLC, through the demolition process, which

1768
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,252
was done on June 4 of 2026.

1769
01:13:23,252 --> 01:13:24,960
As you can see there, there's a breakdown

1770
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,720
of all the hard cost owed.

1771
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:31,198
On May 7 of 2021, Lavender Diving Group,

1772
01:13:31,198 --> 01:13:33,240
who was the owner at that time, sold the property

1773
01:13:33,240 --> 01:13:35,000
to Strength Capital.

1774
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,560
Strength Capital, at that time, incurred the violation

1775
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:42,320
cost from the previous owner and also incurred two different code

1776
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,760
violations-- one had to do with the swimming pool

1777
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,970
and the other had to do-- the swimming pool stagnation,

1778
01:13:47,970 --> 01:13:49,180
and the other one had to do with the gates leading

1779
01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:52,537
into the swimming pool not being self-closing, self-latching.

1780
01:13:52,537 --> 01:13:54,620
I could just see, that documentation will show you

1781
01:13:54,620 --> 01:13:57,700
individually how much each fine could accrue to,

1782
01:13:57,700 --> 01:13:59,700
including the hard cost.

1783
01:13:59,700 --> 01:14:04,500
On May 5 of 2022, the property was sold to 6285 Southwest 9

1784
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:06,180
Street LLC.

1785
01:14:06,180 --> 01:14:08,460
All violations and penalties in hard costs

1786
01:14:08,460 --> 01:14:12,600
were transferred through the sale to these individuals.

1787
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,100
Cases under ownership of this property

1788
01:14:14,100 --> 01:14:17,140
were mitigated at the special magistrate meeting.

1789
01:14:17,140 --> 01:14:21,620
On July 11 of 2023, the property was sold to Yellow Pine, LLC,

1790
01:14:21,620 --> 01:14:23,660
and all violations, penalties, and hard costs

1791
01:14:23,660 --> 01:14:25,940
were transferred through the sale of the property.

1792
01:14:25,940 --> 01:14:28,600
The cases under this ownership were mitigated

1793
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,100
by the special magistrate.

1794
01:14:30,100 --> 01:14:33,100
On April 11 of 2024, Carbonell, LLC

1795
01:14:33,300 --> 01:14:36,380
was awarded the property through a foreclosure bid.

1796
01:14:36,380 --> 01:14:38,780
On April 12, 2024, Carbonell, LLC

1797
01:14:40,283 --> 01:14:41,700
contacted the village of Pinecrest

1798
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:44,700
to address outstanding compliance violations.

1799
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:46,910
On May 9, there was a legal freeze

1800
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:48,990
that was placed as the previous owner, which

1801
01:14:48,990 --> 01:14:51,950
was Yellow Pine, LLC, filed an objection to the sale,

1802
01:14:51,950 --> 01:14:54,230
and shortly thereafter, a bankruptcy.

1803
01:14:54,230 --> 01:14:56,690
The certificate of title cannot be issued to Carbonell,

1804
01:14:56,690 --> 01:14:59,590
LLC until the review process was complete.

1805
01:14:59,590 --> 01:15:04,550
The freeze began on May 9 and ended on August 7 of 2025.

1806
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:06,870
The legal freeze at this time no longer Carbonell,

1807
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:09,230
LLC to access the property, so the village

1808
01:15:09,230 --> 01:15:12,830
did continue to maintain the property.

1809
01:15:12,830 --> 01:15:15,710
On August 7 of 2025, Carbonell did receive

1810
01:15:15,710 --> 01:15:17,630
the certificate of title.

1811
01:15:17,630 --> 01:15:19,390
On August 8, they had made contact

1812
01:15:19,390 --> 01:15:21,630
with the village to start addressing

1813
01:15:21,630 --> 01:15:23,630
all outstanding violations.

1814
01:15:23,670 --> 01:15:25,550
As you can see, I've put two tables together

1815
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:28,650
for your consideration-- one is the table without the freeze,

1816
01:15:28,650 --> 01:15:32,270
which the penalties would accrue daily until time of compliance.

1817
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:34,390
For each individual case, I've also

1818
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:37,370
addressed it as by interest, daily fines, totals,

1819
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:39,330
so you have numbers every which way.

1820
01:15:39,330 --> 01:15:41,560
And then I also did the table with the freeze

1821
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,640
for your consideration, which would be that during the time

1822
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,720
that Carbonell owned the property

1823
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,280
and they could not gain access due to the legal freeze,

1824
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,300
I removed those as daily penalties,

1825
01:15:52,300 --> 01:15:54,520
just in case that was a consideration for mitigation

1826
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,180
for you to consider at that point,

1827
01:15:56,180 --> 01:15:58,200
holding the fines not against them

1828
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,360
since they did not have access to the property.

1829
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,000
On December 1 of 2025, the special magistrate

1830
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,800
considered a request for mitigation involving nine cases.

1831
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,108
Each was assessed an amount of less than 100,000.

1832
01:16:13,108 --> 01:16:14,900
Following the consideration of the request,

1833
01:16:14,900 --> 01:16:18,230
the special magistrate reduced those fines from 60,852

1834
01:16:18,230 --> 01:16:20,230
to 20,933.

1835
01:16:20,940 --> 01:16:25,320
And those violations were paid by Carbonell, LLC.

1836
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:30,160
At this point, I do not have any further information to provide,

1837
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,920
unless you have any questions for me.

1838
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:32,820
Do we have questions?

1839
01:16:32,820 --> 01:16:34,280
So they've already paid a fine.

1840
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,960
They did pay a fine at the special magistrate.

1841
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,320
And that was for?

1842
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,920
Multiple violations-- abandoned vehicles, overgrown conditions.

1843
01:16:42,220 --> 01:16:43,740
Not under their ownership, though.

1844
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:44,280
No.

1845
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,220
Every case that was under their ownership, the Carbonell,

1846
01:16:47,220 --> 01:16:49,520
they rectified it within.

1847
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:50,260
So they paid a total of what?

1848
01:16:50,260 --> 01:16:52,260
29--

1849
01:16:52,460 --> 01:16:53,800
$20,000.

1850
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:53,580
Yes.

1851
01:16:53,580 --> 01:16:54,200
$20,000.

1852
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:57,200
So they ended up paying $20,933.86.

1853
01:17:01,220 --> 01:17:02,880
That was the reduced amount.

1854
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:07,800
And the amount that was reduced was $60,852.86.

1855
01:17:08,100 --> 01:17:11,420
But those were other cases other than these three that--

1856
01:17:11,420 --> 01:17:13,707
Yeah, those were all fines that were under $100,000.

1857
01:17:13,707 --> 01:17:15,540
And the special magistrate has the authority

1858
01:17:15,540 --> 01:17:16,920
to mitigate for those.

1859
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,540
So now, they're here, and they want to settle this thing,

1860
01:17:20,540 --> 01:17:24,740
pay the hard costs of $3,148.08, and basically,

1861
01:17:26,140 --> 01:17:28,140
a fine of $25,000.

1862
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,240
That is what they're recommending.

1863
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,240
And what's the staff's recommendation?

1864
01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:35,540
For us to figure it out.

1865
01:17:35,540 --> 01:17:37,480
Well, I already can figure it out.

1866
01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:38,350
What do you want?

1867
01:17:38,350 --> 01:17:41,990
I'd accept that offer, and settle this, and move on.

1868
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:46,150
Because it seems to me like they've come--

1869
01:17:46,150 --> 01:17:47,230
well, let me finish.

1870
01:17:47,230 --> 01:17:49,630
I mean, what I've heard, what I've read,

1871
01:17:49,630 --> 01:17:52,750
they just took over the property a year ago.

1872
01:17:52,750 --> 01:17:54,870
All of this stuff goes back to what?

1873
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:56,130
Five or six years ago.

1874
01:17:56,130 --> 01:17:57,270
They're the third owner.

1875
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:58,630
The third owner, whatever.

1876
01:17:58,630 --> 01:17:59,510
Here we are.

1877
01:17:59,510 --> 01:18:03,210
They've already taken care of $20,000 in fines.

1878
01:18:03,210 --> 01:18:05,430
And they're willing to pay the hard costs

1879
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:07,330
and make another payment.

1880
01:18:07,330 --> 01:18:11,100
I say, let's accept that and move on.

1881
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:12,948
That would be my vote.

1882
01:18:12,948 --> 01:18:13,490
Any thoughts?

1883
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:14,573
I don't disagree with you.

1884
01:18:14,573 --> 01:18:18,430
I mean, there's only $3,100 in hard cost total to this whole

1885
01:18:18,430 --> 01:18:18,990
thing.

1886
01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:21,430
And that includes staff time?

1887
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:23,430
Yes.

1888
01:18:24,910 --> 01:18:26,830
I do have some questions, if I may.

1889
01:18:26,830 --> 01:18:27,530
Yes, you may.

1890
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:28,910
[INAUDIBLE]

1891
01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:30,230
Thank you.

1892
01:18:30,230 --> 01:18:32,630
Yes, I'm still awake.

1893
01:18:32,890 --> 01:18:38,840
I'm still awake, in case you were counting me out.

1894
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,680
I'm even more awake now that Spain

1895
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,420
has beat France in the World Cup that makes me happier.

1896
01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:46,340
But that's just my personal preference.

1897
01:18:46,340 --> 01:18:47,100
OK.

1898
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:47,990
Any question?

1899
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:49,990
Wait a second.

1900
01:18:50,440 --> 01:18:51,580
He just interjected.

1901
01:18:51,580 --> 01:18:52,920
What was the final score?

1902
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,420
2-0.

1903
01:18:54,420 --> 01:18:55,920
2-0.

1904
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:56,603
OK.

1905
01:18:56,603 --> 01:18:58,520
We get to pick both countries, both teams that

1906
01:18:58,520 --> 01:18:59,300
are in the finals.

1907
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:00,205
Hang on a minute.

1908
01:19:00,205 --> 01:19:01,580
Now, who's he going to pick next?

1909
01:19:01,580 --> 01:19:04,900
If you're Argentinean, and you don't get to be a Spain fan,

1910
01:19:04,900 --> 01:19:06,900
you get one.

1911
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:07,820
No, no.

1912
01:19:07,820 --> 01:19:10,605
It's just that I prefer to play against Spain in the final.

1913
01:19:10,605 --> 01:19:11,980
Oh, you're counting the chickens.

1914
01:19:11,980 --> 01:19:12,480
I see.

1915
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:13,120
I see.

1916
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:13,660
OK.

1917
01:19:13,660 --> 01:19:16,200
So the questions I have are--

1918
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:20,760
I have two questions-- so one is related to the acquisition

1919
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,260
price for the property.

1920
01:19:22,260 --> 01:19:27,240
So how much did Carbonell, LLC pay in foreclosure

1921
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:28,180
for the property?

1922
01:19:28,180 --> 01:19:30,880
Can you clarify what that amount is?

1923
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:32,380
That's question number 1.

1924
01:19:32,380 --> 01:19:36,370
And number 2-- because maybe you have answers to both.

1925
01:19:36,370 --> 01:19:39,170
Number 2 is, what was the appraised value

1926
01:19:39,170 --> 01:19:44,610
of the property at the time that Carbonell acquired it

1927
01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:46,610
in foreclosure?

1928
01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:50,930
So I can attest that the property was sold at auction

1929
01:19:50,930 --> 01:19:52,590
for $2,107,200.

1930
01:19:52,590 --> 01:19:54,910
Esther, can you speak into the microphone, please?

1931
01:19:54,910 --> 01:19:56,910
--for $2,107,200?

1932
01:19:59,410 --> 01:20:01,290
So 2.1 million.

1933
01:20:01,290 --> 01:20:02,790
Right.

1934
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:05,690
That was what the offer was and that Carbonell bidded.

1935
01:20:05,690 --> 01:20:08,100
And they won the bid.

1936
01:20:08,100 --> 01:20:08,530
Excellent.

1937
01:20:08,530 --> 01:20:09,110
Thank you.

1938
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:12,490
And what was the appraised value of the property

1939
01:20:12,490 --> 01:20:18,290
at the time that they won the bid for the acquisition?

1940
01:20:18,290 --> 01:20:19,905
I can give you an estimate.

1941
01:20:19,905 --> 01:20:21,530
Now, remember, at this point, the house

1942
01:20:21,530 --> 01:20:23,850
is no longer there and demolished.

1943
01:20:23,850 --> 01:20:25,410
But according to--

1944
01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:28,850
I went on to a couple websites, with the real estate websites,

1945
01:20:28,850 --> 01:20:33,230
and it looked like it was running at around between low 4

1946
01:20:33,230 --> 01:20:35,630
million to about 450 million.

1947
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:41,350
Low four million to mid four million, in between there.

1948
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:42,490
All right.

1949
01:20:42,490 --> 01:20:47,530
Let's just take low four million and round it up to four million,

1950
01:20:47,530 --> 01:20:49,130
because that proves my point.

1951
01:20:49,130 --> 01:20:53,330
When you're buying a property in foreclosure,

1952
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:56,182
you're going at it with risk, number 1.

1953
01:20:56,182 --> 01:20:57,390
And you're assuming the risk.

1954
01:20:57,390 --> 01:20:59,390
And the value of that risk is the difference

1955
01:20:59,390 --> 01:21:03,590
in value, 1.9 million, the 2.1 versus the 4 million.

1956
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:08,773
And so you're taking that risk.

1957
01:21:08,773 --> 01:21:10,190
You're assuming that this property

1958
01:21:10,190 --> 01:21:11,910
is going to come with some surprises

1959
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:14,125
that you don't know what they will be.

1960
01:21:14,125 --> 01:21:15,750
But in exchange for that, you're paying

1961
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:20,110
for almost half the value or the appraised value

1962
01:21:20,110 --> 01:21:23,100
or the market value of the property at that time.

1963
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:23,510
Well--

1964
01:21:23,510 --> 01:21:25,510
Can I respond?

1965
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:26,837
Yeah, in a minute.

1966
01:21:26,837 --> 01:21:28,170
I don't know if you may respond.

1967
01:21:28,170 --> 01:21:32,520
But I want to close down my thoughts.

1968
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,980
At the time that you were--

1969
01:21:34,980 --> 01:21:40,800
there's a request for bids for offers for the property.

1970
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,000
And any potential suitor, any potential buyer

1971
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,100
will look at this property, will assess its value,

1972
01:21:48,100 --> 01:21:50,140
will estimate that it's at four million.

1973
01:21:50,140 --> 01:21:52,620
I would imagine, at least that's the diligence I would do,

1974
01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:54,680
and even though I'm not an expert in this.

1975
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,940
I would look at what the value is for that property.

1976
01:21:56,940 --> 01:21:58,940
OK, four million.

1977
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:04,520
And if I had known at that time that the village was going

1978
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,500
a few years later or a year later,

1979
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:10,880
was going to just basically remove all outstanding debts

1980
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,680
on the property that are owed to the village.

1981
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,720
I might have considered at that time

1982
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:20,520
to also make an offer for the property.

1983
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,640
In fact, there could have been many other potential buyers

1984
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:27,360
for the property if all of them had known at that time

1985
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,970
that a year later, the village was going to basically withdraw

1986
01:22:30,970 --> 01:22:33,570
all outstanding debts on the property.

1987
01:22:33,570 --> 01:22:37,170
So the fact that we are even considering to do that now

1988
01:22:37,170 --> 01:22:40,690
is potentially unfair to any other potential buyers

1989
01:22:40,690 --> 01:22:43,170
a year ago that would have considered this property

1990
01:22:43,170 --> 01:22:44,650
for an acquisition.

1991
01:22:44,650 --> 01:22:46,610
That's what I'm coming to.

1992
01:22:46,610 --> 01:22:48,610
I'm not really looking at this whether--

1993
01:22:48,610 --> 01:22:53,410
I'm thinking, OK, it's $400,000 fair or it's $587,000 fair.

1994
01:22:54,210 --> 01:22:57,550
I'm looking at this from a business perspective.

1995
01:22:57,550 --> 01:22:59,730
You're buying a property in foreclosure.

1996
01:22:59,730 --> 01:23:02,170
You know that it's coming at risk.

1997
01:23:02,170 --> 01:23:04,290
You're buying it under the assumption

1998
01:23:04,290 --> 01:23:06,300
that there are some debts outstanding.

1999
01:23:06,300 --> 01:23:08,700
And in fact, if you had done your research at that time,

2000
01:23:08,700 --> 01:23:10,900
you would have known what the amount of the debt

2001
01:23:10,900 --> 01:23:13,680
is, because that's public record.

2002
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:14,610
And yet, you're still moving forward,

2003
01:23:14,610 --> 01:23:16,568
and you're moving forward with the acquisition,

2004
01:23:16,568 --> 01:23:20,550
because you know that 2.1 million is a good deal.

2005
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:23,970
It's half the value of the property at that time.

2006
01:23:23,970 --> 01:23:28,310
So I think the fact that we're even

2007
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:31,310
considering lowering this debt is

2008
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:37,350
us trying to influence what was actually a business decision.

2009
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:43,110
And for that reason alone, we could potentially

2010
01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:45,910
discuss whether it should be the table without the freeze

2011
01:23:45,910 --> 01:23:47,370
or the table with freeze.

2012
01:23:47,370 --> 01:23:48,890
I think that's a valid argument.

2013
01:23:48,890 --> 01:23:50,470
We could talk about that.

2014
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:52,630
But I don't think it is--

2015
01:23:52,630 --> 01:23:57,310
it would be disrespectful of even how the market works,

2016
01:23:57,310 --> 01:24:00,870
if we later come in and withdraw the debt on this property.

2017
01:24:00,870 --> 01:24:02,690
And it would be unfair, as I've said,

2018
01:24:02,690 --> 01:24:05,310
to any potential buyers at that time that would have otherwise

2019
01:24:05,310 --> 01:24:09,390
considered to place a bid on the property as well.

2020
01:24:09,390 --> 01:24:10,150
If I may respond--

2021
01:24:10,150 --> 01:24:11,410
Let me have the attorney--

2022
01:24:11,410 --> 01:24:12,910
Amanda, you want to respond to that?

2023
01:24:12,910 --> 01:24:14,100
And then we'll go back.

2024
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:14,870
Hi.

2025
01:24:14,870 --> 01:24:18,170
This is Amanda [? Hahn, ?] for the record, responding.

2026
01:24:18,170 --> 01:24:21,230
The assessed value in 2024, when the house was on the property,

2027
01:24:21,230 --> 01:24:23,230
was $2,791,000.

2028
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,380
The bid was at 2.1.

2029
01:24:27,380 --> 01:24:30,980
He spent about $300,000 to $400,000 in subsequent

2030
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,760
litigation, afterwards challenging the bid between

2031
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,120
a couple of banks and a couple of previous owners.

2032
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:38,120
That's why there was a delay in taking title.

2033
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,260
And then he had to spend over 100 to demolish the house.

2034
01:24:41,260 --> 01:24:44,920
So we're in it for about 2.75, which is what

2035
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,820
the assessed value was in 2024.

2036
01:24:46,820 --> 01:24:52,520
So I respectfully request that the village, when you consider

2037
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,200
encouraging people to take title of these derelict properties--

2038
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,300
the property was a disgusting pool,

2039
01:24:59,300 --> 01:25:02,440
unpermitted work, and all kinds of things for six years

2040
01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:03,280
until now.

2041
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,140
And so he took care of it immediately upon taking title.

2042
01:25:06,140 --> 01:25:09,920
I think that that should be considered as encouraging people

2043
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:13,100
to turn the properties over in the village.

2044
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:14,560
Mr. Chairman.

2045
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,440
Ms. Cabrera, first of all, thank you

2046
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:19,380
very much for the way you presented the data.

2047
01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:21,500
That was very helpful when we looked it over.

2048
01:25:21,500 --> 01:25:24,970
So I appreciate all the charts and all the history of it.

2049
01:25:24,970 --> 01:25:28,250
We had a similar case for this not very long ago.

2050
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:29,510
Same situation.

2051
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:33,650
A property sold once or twice, and then purchased.

2052
01:25:33,650 --> 01:25:35,690
These fines are all baked into the purchase

2053
01:25:35,690 --> 01:25:38,100
price of these properties.

2054
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:42,210
So I see no reason to discount--

2055
01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:46,470
now, at this point, to waive all these fees.

2056
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:48,910
I mean, whoever-- it's been purchased, what?

2057
01:25:48,910 --> 01:25:52,490
Three times, with all these fines attached to it?

2058
01:25:52,490 --> 01:25:54,500
So that's got to be--

2059
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:54,750
I don't know.

2060
01:25:54,750 --> 01:25:57,370
I've never bought a house in foreclosure, so I don't know.

2061
01:25:57,370 --> 01:26:01,810
Do you not know that there's $300,000 worth of fines attached

2062
01:26:01,810 --> 01:26:02,310
to it?

2063
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:03,570
He did not know.

2064
01:26:03,570 --> 01:26:04,237
He did not know.

2065
01:26:04,237 --> 01:26:04,737
No.

2066
01:26:04,737 --> 01:26:05,717
How could you not know?

2067
01:26:05,717 --> 01:26:06,550
How do you not know?

2068
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:08,700
Because he bought it at a foreclosure auction.

2069
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:10,490
He said, look, I did not know that there was $500,000

2070
01:26:10,490 --> 01:26:10,990
in fines.

2071
01:26:10,990 --> 01:26:16,170
OK, so that would be his fault. What I do agree with,

2072
01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:19,100
the fact that he jumped right on this,

2073
01:26:19,100 --> 01:26:23,400
I do like the idea of going with the table with the freeze,

2074
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,780
the $407,000, because it appears he bought it,

2075
01:26:26,780 --> 01:26:28,600
immediately contacted the village,

2076
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:29,760
started doing something.

2077
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,160
Then this legal matter came up about ownership.

2078
01:26:32,160 --> 01:26:34,617
He didn't have title to the house.

2079
01:26:34,617 --> 01:26:36,200
You don't want to give him a discount?

2080
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:39,180
I think, at that point, going with the 407 would

2081
01:26:39,180 --> 01:26:45,620
be very appropriate, but I would not waive the fees any further

2082
01:26:45,620 --> 01:26:49,180
than that, because, again, it's baked into what

2083
01:26:49,180 --> 01:26:50,320
he paid for the house.

2084
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:54,200
The only fines that accrued on the property while he had

2085
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,420
control of it is $33,419.

2086
01:26:58,100 --> 01:26:59,200
Understood.

2087
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:02,820
I understood, he came in and did a great job

2088
01:27:02,820 --> 01:27:04,360
trying to button everything up.

2089
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:04,880
That's fine.

2090
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,480
But he still purchased that liability.

2091
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:10,880
It is true.

2092
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,740
However, there is an incentive for the village

2093
01:27:13,740 --> 01:27:17,180
to incentivize people to buy these properties,

2094
01:27:17,180 --> 01:27:20,600
demolish the house, secure the pool, clean up the landscaping,

2095
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,340
and build a nice new house.

2096
01:27:23,340 --> 01:27:26,827
And that's why we should waive the $180,000.

2097
01:27:26,827 --> 01:27:28,160
Well, what's your proposal then?

2098
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,560
To go with the $407,991.23.

2099
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,520
And your rationale is that everybody knows

2100
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:35,700
that these fines are there.

2101
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:38,400
And when you bid on the house, you

2102
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:39,780
bid on it with those in mind.

2103
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:43,440
You can make a gamble that you'll get them waived,

2104
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:45,840
but that's a gamble.

2105
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:46,500
Well--

2106
01:27:46,500 --> 01:27:47,420
I have a question then.

2107
01:27:47,420 --> 01:27:48,300
I don't see-- I'm sorry.

2108
01:27:48,300 --> 01:27:48,640
I don't see--

2109
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:49,473
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

2110
01:27:49,473 --> 01:27:54,920
I don't see how anybody doesn't know that this fine exists

2111
01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,640
on the property.

2112
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,230
What you don't know, it's their mistake.

2113
01:27:59,230 --> 01:28:00,440
I know that you're going to defer.

2114
01:28:00,440 --> 01:28:01,540
No, no, I don't understand.

2115
01:28:01,540 --> 01:28:01,720
No.

2116
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:02,220
No.

2117
01:28:02,220 --> 01:28:04,700
I mean, I remember my previous term on this council,

2118
01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:06,280
we had a lot of these kinds of--

2119
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,120
a lot, I remember, of these situations.

2120
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:14,640
And we'd have our fines, on a daily basis, running up

2121
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,360
on paper.

2122
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:17,160
I don't recall.

2123
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,100
Maybe Mitch can answer.

2124
01:28:19,100 --> 01:28:23,810
These fines, are they liens on the property?

2125
01:28:24,450 --> 01:28:25,350
Are they liens?

2126
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:25,850
Yes.

2127
01:28:25,850 --> 01:28:26,750
We lien the property.

2128
01:28:26,750 --> 01:28:30,490
And when in foreclosure, and this property

2129
01:28:30,490 --> 01:28:33,990
has gone through a number of iterations--

2130
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:36,410
We're generally a claimant in those foreclosure

2131
01:28:36,410 --> 01:28:39,330
cases for liens, so that to the extent

2132
01:28:39,330 --> 01:28:43,530
there's excess revenue from the foreclosure sale,

2133
01:28:44,430 --> 01:28:46,170
we would get paid out of that.

2134
01:28:46,170 --> 01:28:49,890
In this case, apparently, we got nothing out of foreclosure sale,

2135
01:28:49,890 --> 01:28:53,430
because it was below the amount of the prime judgment.

2136
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:53,970
OK.

2137
01:28:53,970 --> 01:28:54,470
Well--

2138
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:58,250
[INAUDIBLE] and the village was listed in foreclosure.

2139
01:28:58,250 --> 01:29:00,250
Was not.

2140
01:29:00,650 --> 01:29:03,300
So if we weren't listed, that means the--

2141
01:29:03,300 --> 01:29:04,500
Everything stands.

2142
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:04,630
Pardon?

2143
01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:05,810
Everything stands.

2144
01:29:05,810 --> 01:29:06,550
I'm sorry.

2145
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:09,510
Everything stands as it is, all the fines and--

2146
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:10,100
Yes.

2147
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:10,790
OK, I get it.

2148
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:12,970
But that does go to the notice issue.

2149
01:29:12,970 --> 01:29:13,470
I'm sorry?

2150
01:29:13,470 --> 01:29:14,730
That does go to the notice issue,

2151
01:29:14,730 --> 01:29:17,188
because the village was not part of the foreclosure action.

2152
01:29:17,188 --> 01:29:18,960
That was where I was coming from.

2153
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,540
If we were not listed, and somebody takes property

2154
01:29:22,540 --> 01:29:26,940
under foreclosure and is not aware of these liens that go

2155
01:29:26,940 --> 01:29:29,500
back five or six years, they--

2156
01:29:29,500 --> 01:29:31,320
So you have two ways of looking at this.

2157
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:34,660
You can say, hey, yes, the property owner did not look

2158
01:29:34,660 --> 01:29:36,220
and didn't do some diligence.

2159
01:29:36,220 --> 01:29:38,100
A lot of people don't go and say,

2160
01:29:38,100 --> 01:29:39,600
hey, I'm getting ready to foreclose,

2161
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,500
maybe I should call that city and see

2162
01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:43,900
if there's any type of penalties before I go ahead

2163
01:29:43,900 --> 01:29:45,300
and declare the property.

2164
01:29:45,300 --> 01:29:47,900
It's just a matter of you're going to--

2165
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:49,360
Well, OK, let me finish.

2166
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:54,340
My thought was or is, if this were the original property

2167
01:29:54,340 --> 01:29:58,200
owner who allowed the property to lay fallow and all that,

2168
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:00,200
that's one thing.

2169
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,420
But I don't think--

2170
01:30:02,980 --> 01:30:07,860
which is why I thought what counsel has said.

2171
01:30:07,860 --> 01:30:11,340
And what I remember from other incidents, Joe, Mr. Mayor,

2172
01:30:11,340 --> 01:30:13,340
that we had similar type things, where

2173
01:30:13,340 --> 01:30:16,120
we had these enormous fines.

2174
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:17,880
And then somebody came in and purchased,

2175
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:20,560
and did what we wanted, cleaned up the property.

2176
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,800
We looked at them as on paper, a number,

2177
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:28,320
but then said, OK, let's resolve this for the new person.

2178
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:30,480
These aren't supposed to be punitive.

2179
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:33,480
And there is some public policy involved in, OK, somebody

2180
01:30:33,480 --> 01:30:35,480
buys property.

2181
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:39,000
I don't think we should be here and second guessing

2182
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,697
somebody's business decision.

2183
01:30:40,697 --> 01:30:42,780
But at the end of the day, the purchased property,

2184
01:30:42,780 --> 01:30:44,400
he finds out, there are liens.

2185
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,960
He's made an effort to pay costs.

2186
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:53,800
And I guess, now, total of 25-- almost $50,000 in fines.

2187
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:58,400
I would say, we, as Pinecrest, shouldn't be in a manner

2188
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:00,840
in a-- shouldn't be our intention

2189
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:05,000
to be punitive with people who didn't incur the violations.

2190
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:09,270
So my view is to accept this offer and move on with it,

2191
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:10,860
let the person come in and build this house,

2192
01:31:10,860 --> 01:31:13,790
do whatever, and move on with it.

2193
01:31:13,790 --> 01:31:14,950
We haven't been damaged.

2194
01:31:14,950 --> 01:31:17,310
We've got paper violations, and that's what they are.

2195
01:31:17,310 --> 01:31:20,210
That's all they are, they're paper.

2196
01:31:20,210 --> 01:31:21,890
Ms. Manager.

2197
01:31:21,890 --> 01:31:23,610
The people that lived around there

2198
01:31:23,610 --> 01:31:26,500
were damaged, not by them in particular, but just because

2199
01:31:26,500 --> 01:31:29,510
of the ongoing violations for over six years.

2200
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:32,232
So there is that issue.

2201
01:31:32,232 --> 01:31:33,190
Well, they're not here.

2202
01:31:33,190 --> 01:31:35,570
I get that, but there's no way to quantify that,

2203
01:31:35,570 --> 01:31:38,100
other than, yeah, you don't want to live next to a place

2204
01:31:38,100 --> 01:31:40,100
like that.

2205
01:31:40,690 --> 01:31:43,810
To your point, I think that the fines are supposed

2206
01:31:43,810 --> 01:31:46,190
to be that code compliance.

2207
01:31:46,190 --> 01:31:50,390
The primary goal is compliance, not punishment.

2208
01:31:50,447 --> 01:31:51,530
We just had a care where--

2209
01:31:51,530 --> 01:31:52,515
Hold on that, Jerry.

2210
01:31:52,515 --> 01:31:53,980
Oh, I'm sorry.

2211
01:31:53,980 --> 01:31:53,598
I'm sorry.

2212
01:31:53,598 --> 01:31:55,450
Jerry's been chomping at the bit to go here.

2213
01:31:55,450 --> 01:31:56,570
Go for it.

2214
01:31:56,570 --> 01:31:59,430
Well, I don't want to speak over you, Vice Mayor,

2215
01:31:59,430 --> 01:32:00,310
but I agree with you.

2216
01:32:00,310 --> 01:32:02,490
I mean, I think-- look, honestly, I

2217
01:32:02,490 --> 01:32:06,900
don't find this one particularly close.

2218
01:32:06,130 --> 01:32:08,730
I would be willing to go with the whole thing,

2219
01:32:08,730 --> 01:32:12,903
but I'm OK with the 407 that the vice mayor proposed.

2220
01:32:12,903 --> 01:32:13,820
And I'll tell you why.

2221
01:32:13,820 --> 01:32:15,340
[INAUDIBLE]

2222
01:32:15,340 --> 01:32:15,840
Yeah.

2223
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:20,280
But yeah, I mean, these fines, I don't view it as punitive.

2224
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,280
I appreciate the comments from Council McDonald,

2225
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:23,920
but I don't view it as punitive.

2226
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,760
I view these as essential to our neighborhoods.

2227
01:32:26,760 --> 01:32:28,500
There were neighbors who were affected.

2228
01:32:28,500 --> 01:32:30,560
These things have to be upheld.

2229
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,780
They're critical to the quality of life in the village.

2230
01:32:33,780 --> 01:32:38,320
And I understand that this LLC was not the owner at that time,

2231
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,800
but they bought it, whether they knew it or not.

2232
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,940
They certainly should have known it or could have known it.

2233
01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:49,620
And when you buy a property in foreclosure,

2234
01:32:49,620 --> 01:32:52,370
anybody knows or should know that there is a serious risk

2235
01:32:52,370 --> 01:32:54,620
that there are violations, especially, from everything

2236
01:32:54,620 --> 01:32:56,335
we can tell, you look at the property,

2237
01:32:56,335 --> 01:32:57,960
and you could tell it was in violation.

2238
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,440
This wasn't some latent thing buried somewhere in the records.

2239
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:04,660
This was a property that was in total disrepair.

2240
01:33:04,660 --> 01:33:08,860
And with all due respect, the notion

2241
01:33:09,710 --> 01:33:11,397
that we want to incentivize people,

2242
01:33:11,397 --> 01:33:13,730
we don't need to incentivize people to buy in Pinecrest.

2243
01:33:13,730 --> 01:33:15,630
People are salivating to buy these properties,

2244
01:33:15,630 --> 01:33:18,470
and flip them, and sell them for all sorts of other money.

2245
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:19,395
And God bless them.

2246
01:33:19,395 --> 01:33:20,770
I mean, that's their prerogative.

2247
01:33:20,770 --> 01:33:23,390
And I don't know what this entity is doing with it

2248
01:33:23,390 --> 01:33:24,490
or not doing with it.

2249
01:33:24,490 --> 01:33:28,163
But to me, they knew or should have

2250
01:33:28,163 --> 01:33:29,330
known what they were buying.

2251
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:31,990
This is a large amount of money.

2252
01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:34,330
And it was a great discount.

2253
01:33:34,330 --> 01:33:36,110
I respect them.

2254
01:33:36,110 --> 01:33:41,210
And the reason I'm OK to go with the substantial reduction,

2255
01:33:41,210 --> 01:33:44,190
I mean, the reduction that Vice Mayor Fairman is suggesting is

2256
01:33:44,190 --> 01:33:50,655
$180,000, which I don't think we need to do, but I'm OK with it.

2257
01:33:50,655 --> 01:33:53,300
But again, I don't think it's about incentivizing people,

2258
01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:55,430
because what they're doing is getting under market,

2259
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:57,390
a home in a beautiful part of Pinecrest

2260
01:33:57,390 --> 01:33:59,990
that they can either live in and enjoy or flip

2261
01:33:59,990 --> 01:34:02,390
for some astronomical number.

2262
01:34:03,190 --> 01:34:05,540
And they're going to get all sorts of other benefits

2263
01:34:05,540 --> 01:34:06,290
from living there.

2264
01:34:06,290 --> 01:34:08,590
Heck, they may not have to pay taxes.

2265
01:34:08,590 --> 01:34:11,650
But I think, to me, this is not--

2266
01:34:11,650 --> 01:34:13,820
and I appreciate the arguments of counsel.

2267
01:34:13,820 --> 01:34:15,700
And I appreciate the advocacy.

2268
01:34:15,700 --> 01:34:16,110
This isn't that.

2269
01:34:16,110 --> 01:34:21,950
But to me, I would uphold the full amount, but I'm OK with--

2270
01:34:21,950 --> 01:34:22,950
I may not use that word.

2271
01:34:22,950 --> 01:34:25,650
I'm perfectly comfortable with the reduction

2272
01:34:25,650 --> 01:34:28,650
that the vice mayor proposed in this one.

2273
01:34:28,650 --> 01:34:29,170
OK.

2274
01:34:29,170 --> 01:34:29,670
Interesting.

2275
01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:32,100
I don't know if I remember correctly, if Council Member

2276
01:34:32,100 --> 01:34:34,610
Hochkammer were here, she would be kicking both you and I

2277
01:34:34,610 --> 01:34:37,250
under the table on this one, because I think we hammered

2278
01:34:37,250 --> 01:34:38,670
those guys in the past.

2279
01:34:38,670 --> 01:34:39,530
Did we really?

2280
01:34:39,530 --> 01:34:43,530
I seem to remember making decisions, though, where we, OK,

2281
01:34:43,530 --> 01:34:45,970
let's move on and make--

2282
01:34:45,970 --> 01:34:46,470
Yeah.

2283
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:46,970
What?

2284
01:34:46,970 --> 01:34:48,290
Well, make a deal.

2285
01:34:48,290 --> 01:34:50,570
Usually, they're a little different circumstances.

2286
01:34:50,570 --> 01:34:53,510
But we just had a case right before you came in, Jim,

2287
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:57,690
that it was a six figure, and it was the same sort of thing.

2288
01:34:57,690 --> 01:35:00,730
They had purchased a house, knowing

2289
01:35:00,730 --> 01:35:02,970
that those fines were there, and then wanted

2290
01:35:02,970 --> 01:35:05,970
them relieved from those fines.

2291
01:35:08,180 --> 01:35:10,300
If they knew it, that's one thing.

2292
01:35:10,300 --> 01:35:13,860
I'm hearing that your guy didn't know they had to know it.

2293
01:35:13,860 --> 01:35:15,218
Again, here's what I'm seeing.

2294
01:35:15,218 --> 01:35:16,260
I'm just looking at this.

2295
01:35:16,260 --> 01:35:16,980
Not here.

2296
01:35:16,980 --> 01:35:20,580
We're looking at, whatever it is, $400,000.

2297
01:35:20,860 --> 01:35:23,420
I don't want to say-- well, she's a lawyer.

2298
01:35:23,420 --> 01:35:24,420
You're a lawyer.

2299
01:35:24,420 --> 01:35:26,640
If I get hit, I'm the owner, and I get hit with this.

2300
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,240
And I didn't know anything about it.

2301
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,100
There's enough money at stake here to drag us all into court

2302
01:35:31,100 --> 01:35:32,400
and sue us over it.

2303
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:33,560
I mean, not that we have to.

2304
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,980
I'm just saying, is there an issue of notice?

2305
01:35:36,980 --> 01:35:39,260
My whole point is on this kind of thing.

2306
01:35:39,260 --> 01:35:44,837
Let's settle it with a number that satisfies us and move on.

2307
01:35:44,837 --> 01:35:45,920
And that's all I'm saying.

2308
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:46,460
Got it.

2309
01:35:46,460 --> 01:35:48,760
And whether it's 50,000 or whatever.

2310
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,340
Well, this is where I would-- with Council Member Greenberg's

2311
01:35:52,340 --> 01:35:59,280
point, once he did own it outright, he took care of it.

2312
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,660
And apparently, if I'm to believe what I read here,

2313
01:36:03,660 --> 01:36:05,910
there was a point in time where he could do nothing

2314
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:09,270
to the property, even though it was up in the air

2315
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:10,990
with a title dispute.

2316
01:36:10,990 --> 01:36:13,830
So we're relieving them of that time frame

2317
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:16,300
of those fines accumulating.

2318
01:36:16,300 --> 01:36:19,630
So that's where I'm thinking, that's

2319
01:36:20,390 --> 01:36:23,700
something he maybe had no control of.

2320
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:25,630
They came up, and he did get right on it

2321
01:36:25,630 --> 01:36:27,410
once that time passed.

2322
01:36:27,410 --> 01:36:27,910
Yeah.

2323
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:28,910
I mean, I just want to--

2324
01:36:28,910 --> 01:36:29,630
I'm sorry.

2325
01:36:29,630 --> 01:36:30,290
No, go ahead.

2326
01:36:30,290 --> 01:36:33,648
I don't believe there's a plausible--

2327
01:36:33,648 --> 01:36:36,190
the concern that you raised, though, Council Member McDonald,

2328
01:36:36,190 --> 01:36:40,790
is about a notice and whether there's a risk to us is fair.

2329
01:36:40,790 --> 01:36:43,730
I don't think there's a plausible notice claim.

2330
01:36:43,730 --> 01:36:46,130
I find it unfathomable.

2331
01:36:46,510 --> 01:36:48,310
And I don't know, maybe this is a question

2332
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:51,310
for Mitch or for somebody.

2333
01:36:52,830 --> 01:36:54,830
If there's a risk that the homeowner is going

2334
01:36:54,830 --> 01:36:56,747
to look at this and say, I didn't have notice,

2335
01:36:56,747 --> 01:36:58,150
I'll see you in court, well, then

2336
01:36:58,150 --> 01:36:59,970
I don't want to mitigate this thing.

2337
01:36:59,970 --> 01:37:02,850
I mean, I would do the mitigation

2338
01:37:02,850 --> 01:37:07,810
if we're going to give them the benefit of their quick work

2339
01:37:07,810 --> 01:37:09,250
and put it down to 407.

2340
01:37:09,250 --> 01:37:11,650
I mean, I don't know if there's a way to do that on a condition

2341
01:37:11,650 --> 01:37:13,530
that we're not going to be in court.

2342
01:37:13,530 --> 01:37:16,900
Condition it on receiving a release.

2343
01:37:16,900 --> 01:37:17,430
Yeah, I mean, I would do that.

2344
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:22,490
I mean, if we can do that legally, sure,

2345
01:37:22,490 --> 01:37:24,970
I mean, I would have any mitigation conditioned

2346
01:37:24,970 --> 01:37:25,470
on release.

2347
01:37:25,470 --> 01:37:27,700
I don't want to mitigate $180,000 then go to court.

2348
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:28,100
If they're going to challenge, they

2349
01:37:28,100 --> 01:37:30,630
should challenge the whole amount, not mitigate an amount.

2350
01:37:30,630 --> 01:37:33,170
So yes, if you want to condition mitigation

2351
01:37:33,170 --> 01:37:37,300
on receiving a release of claims from the owner, you can do that.

2352
01:37:37,300 --> 01:37:37,530
Yeah.

2353
01:37:37,530 --> 01:37:38,863
I mean, I would want to do that.

2354
01:37:38,863 --> 01:37:40,988
And again, I'm not trying to make this adversarial,

2355
01:37:40,988 --> 01:37:42,290
but I'm not hearing that from--

2356
01:37:42,290 --> 01:37:44,582
they're not up there, waving the saber and saying that.

2357
01:37:44,582 --> 01:37:47,170
But if there is any risk, sure, if we're going to mitigate

2358
01:37:47,170 --> 01:37:52,410
$180,000, I would suggest we do it on the condition of release.

2359
01:37:52,410 --> 01:37:54,910
And I would be supportive of that.

2360
01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:55,410
OK.

2361
01:37:55,410 --> 01:37:56,990
Well, I get the lay of the land.

2362
01:37:56,990 --> 01:37:59,980
Do we need a public comment on this?

2363
01:37:59,980 --> 01:38:01,760
Yes.

2364
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,680
So with that, if you all don't mind,

2365
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:07,880
I'll open the floor for public comment.

2366
01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:09,220
Oops.

2367
01:38:09,220 --> 01:38:11,620
Mr. Sanchez, welcome back.

2368
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,400
Hey, how's it going, guys?

2369
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:16,640
Ralph Sanchez, 8360 Southwest 1/35 Street, Pinecrest, Florida,

2370
01:38:17,860 --> 01:38:19,320
23156.

2371
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,340
I'd like to follow up on what Counsel Meyer said,

2372
01:38:22,340 --> 01:38:25,940
Vice Mayor Fairman, Councilman Jerry Greenberg.

2373
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:31,320
First, the property owner in this case is a corporation.

2374
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,500
It's not a young family that didn't know what they were

2375
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:37,500
doing, went for a foreclosure.

2376
01:38:37,900 --> 01:38:41,340
It's a sophisticated client who knew or should

2377
01:38:41,340 --> 01:38:42,520
have known of the fines.

2378
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,180
I don't think any of the fines should be waived.

2379
01:38:45,180 --> 01:38:49,460
They bought this property at about a $2 million discount,

2380
01:38:49,460 --> 01:38:51,200
so they already got the windfall.

2381
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,600
The fines are about $400,000, $500,000.

2382
01:38:54,860 --> 01:38:56,360
So even if they pay the full amount,

2383
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:58,220
it would be $2.6 million.

2384
01:38:58,220 --> 01:38:59,810
Subtract that from $4 million.

2385
01:38:59,810 --> 01:39:02,130
They're still saving $1.4 million.

2386
01:39:02,130 --> 01:39:04,500
So that's all I have to say to that.

2387
01:39:04,500 --> 01:39:04,870
Thank you.

2388
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:06,590
Appreciate that.

2389
01:39:06,590 --> 01:39:08,590
Anybody else from the public want to comment on?

2390
01:39:08,590 --> 01:39:10,110
Mr. Speizer.

2391
01:39:10,110 --> 01:39:11,590
Welcome back, Harry.

2392
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:12,670
Yes, thank you very much.

2393
01:39:12,670 --> 01:39:15,410
Harry Speizer, 10,001 Southwest 70th Avenue.

2394
01:39:15,410 --> 01:39:16,710
Just one question.

2395
01:39:16,710 --> 01:39:21,510
I don't understand, why warrant the liens reported?

2396
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:25,700
If I'm hearing you correctly, how

2397
01:39:25,700 --> 01:39:28,530
could somebody not know that there's a lien on the property?

2398
01:39:28,530 --> 01:39:29,450
I don't get it.

2399
01:39:29,450 --> 01:39:33,650
Either the attorneys are incompetent or someone

2400
01:39:34,670 --> 01:39:37,450
is not doing their job on the city's part.

2401
01:39:37,450 --> 01:39:39,930
But this sounds bewildering to me.

2402
01:39:39,930 --> 01:39:42,100
I don't understand what's going on.

2403
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:44,100
That's the $587,000 question.

2404
01:39:44,750 --> 01:39:46,710
Yeah, that's the question.

2405
01:39:46,710 --> 01:39:47,810
I can't answer.

2406
01:39:47,810 --> 01:39:50,170
I mean, it's either there or it isn't there.

2407
01:39:50,170 --> 01:39:55,200
I'm startled to hear an attorney say, we didn't know.

2408
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:56,210
I'm going to respond to that.

2409
01:39:56,210 --> 01:39:56,960
That's all I can say.

2410
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,240
I'm going to [INAUDIBLE] you, but you've

2411
01:39:58,240 --> 01:39:59,660
managed to insult both parties.

2412
01:39:59,660 --> 01:40:02,600
So, Ms. Manager, why don't you respond to that?

2413
01:40:02,600 --> 01:40:06,380
I'm going to respond to that, because it's not our issue.

2414
01:40:06,380 --> 01:40:09,440
We record every lien with the county.

2415
01:40:09,440 --> 01:40:12,120
So whoever foreclosed on the property

2416
01:40:12,120 --> 01:40:14,260
did not notice it correctly.

2417
01:40:14,260 --> 01:40:16,780
The onus is not on the village to do that.

2418
01:40:16,780 --> 01:40:21,280
It's all recorded in the county record, these liens.

2419
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,200
But this isn't a question and answer period, except for us.

2420
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:25,140
OK.

2421
01:40:25,140 --> 01:40:31,680
So anybody else from the public want to comment on this?

2422
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:33,587
Ms. Clerk, anybody online?

2423
01:40:33,587 --> 01:40:35,420
I just wanted to make sure that the record--

2424
01:40:35,420 --> 01:40:35,820
Hold on.

2425
01:40:35,820 --> 01:40:36,300
Hold on.

2426
01:40:36,300 --> 01:40:36,600
No, Mayor.

2427
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:37,280
I thought you--

2428
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:38,440
No one online--

2429
01:40:38,440 --> 01:40:39,420
We can't invite you.

2430
01:40:39,420 --> 01:40:40,295
I'm the only person--

2431
01:40:40,295 --> 01:40:42,500
I was wanting to show because she went last week.

2432
01:40:42,500 --> 01:40:43,000
I know.

2433
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:44,240
Now, you know that.

2434
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:46,720
I knew that before, because she raised her hand.

2435
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:48,220
I'm going to go through the process.

2436
01:40:48,220 --> 01:40:50,180
Anybody online wants to speak?

2437
01:40:50,180 --> 01:40:51,640
Not on this item, no.

2438
01:40:51,640 --> 01:40:53,840
Ms. Clerk, would you like to--

2439
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,900
Just making sure that the record reflects

2440
01:40:55,900 --> 01:40:57,840
the assessed value of the property in 2024,

2441
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,800
with the house on it, was 2791.

2442
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:01,492
So it was not $4 million.

2443
01:41:01,492 --> 01:41:03,700
And we're not talking about the windfall that I think

2444
01:41:03,700 --> 01:41:05,320
maybe is in some minds here.

2445
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:10,980
So we're at 2.1 on the bid, about $300,000 to clear title,

2446
01:41:10,980 --> 01:41:13,800
through the litigation with the banks and things like that,

2447
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:15,460
and about 150 on the demo.

2448
01:41:15,460 --> 01:41:17,680
So we're in for 2.55.

2449
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:18,920
All right.

2450
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:24,880
So with that, we'll close the public comment portion of this.

2451
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:26,380
Any more debate or does somebody want to make a motion?

2452
01:41:26,380 --> 01:41:27,000
Mr. Mayor.

2453
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:27,500
Yes, sir.

2454
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:29,260
Question for Mitch, so I understand

2455
01:41:29,260 --> 01:41:31,580
before I make a motion.

2456
01:41:31,580 --> 01:41:34,780
So what Council Member Greenberg was talking about,

2457
01:41:34,780 --> 01:41:36,860
there's some provision we put about,

2458
01:41:36,860 --> 01:41:42,260
if we do give them the freeze rate of 407,

2459
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,840
do we have a time frame on when we would receive the money?

2460
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:49,100
Or is it another type of commitment?

2461
01:41:49,100 --> 01:41:51,560
You can put all of those conditions on.

2462
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:56,960
I would suggest that you provide a 30-day period,

2463
01:41:58,750 --> 01:42:02,350
if that's acceptable to the requester,

2464
01:42:02,750 --> 01:42:08,750
and also condition it on receiving a release of claims

2465
01:42:11,670 --> 01:42:14,670
satisfactory to the village attorney.

2466
01:42:20,430 --> 01:42:22,430
General release.

2467
01:42:22,350 --> 01:42:24,630
So we're at that point, where--

2468
01:42:24,630 --> 01:42:31,270
So I would like to make the motion to levy the fine

2469
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:34,870
at $407,000 or mitigate the fine of $407,991.23,

2470
01:42:39,630 --> 01:42:41,590
based on the following conditions,

2471
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:45,270
that it's paid within 30 days and that there is a release

2472
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:48,670
of claims acceptable to the village attorney.

2473
01:42:48,670 --> 01:42:49,730
OK, we have a motion.

2474
01:42:49,730 --> 01:42:50,810
Do we have a second?

2475
01:42:50,810 --> 01:42:51,410
I'll second.

2476
01:42:51,410 --> 01:42:52,220
All right.

2477
01:42:52,220 --> 01:42:54,360
Any final debate on that?

2478
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,760
All right, Ms. Clerk.

2479
01:42:59,280 --> 01:42:59,940
Council Member.

2480
01:42:59,940 --> 01:43:00,440
Greenberg.

2481
01:43:00,440 --> 01:43:00,960
Yes.

2482
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,140
Council Member McDonald.

2483
01:43:02,140 --> 01:43:03,800
No.

2484
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:04,960
Council Member Meyer.

2485
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:06,560
Yes.

2486
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:07,600
Vice Mayor Fairman.

2487
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:08,360
Yes.

2488
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:09,340
Mayor Corradino.

2489
01:43:09,340 --> 01:43:10,320
No.

2490
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:11,460
Motion is approved.

2491
01:43:11,460 --> 01:43:12,480
All right.

2492
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:16,000
Thank you, all, very much on that.

2493
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,267
We have this thing, parking analysis for fitness

2494
01:43:18,267 --> 01:43:19,100
and medical centers.

2495
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:20,260
Did we already go over that or--

2496
01:43:20,260 --> 01:43:21,302
We went over [INAUDIBLE].

2497
01:43:21,302 --> 01:43:23,302
So that's done.

2498
01:43:24,280 --> 01:43:24,788
That's done.

2499
01:43:24,788 --> 01:43:25,580
So the only thing--

2500
01:43:25,580 --> 01:43:27,280
Red light cameras?

2501
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:28,920
Red light cameras, yes.

2502
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:30,100
Anybody care about that?

2503
01:43:30,100 --> 01:43:30,702
Oh, yes.

2504
01:43:30,702 --> 01:43:33,102
Well, the chief's here.

2505
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,760
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council.

2506
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:39,760
Good evening, sir.

2507
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,820
If you all recall, a few meetings ago,

2508
01:43:42,820 --> 01:43:45,720
we approved moving forward with the red light cameras

2509
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,000
on the 67th Avenue corridor.

2510
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:53,500
I was instructed to study if any of our other interior signalized

2511
01:43:53,500 --> 01:43:57,640
intersections may also be deserving of such cameras.

2512
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:00,640
So I commissioned the study.

2513
01:44:00,900 --> 01:44:04,700
You should have the results in your packets.

2514
01:44:04,700 --> 01:44:07,120
Based on the study, based on the results,

2515
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:10,580
my recommendations are to remove two from the 67th Avenue

2516
01:44:10,580 --> 01:44:14,180
corridor, relocate them to other intersections,

2517
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:16,580
and if it is the will of this council,

2518
01:44:16,580 --> 01:44:19,720
move forward with the intersections on my memo,

2519
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:23,320
which is 112 and 7, 2, 104 and 7, 2, 120 and 7, 7, 128 and 7,

2520
01:44:25,700 --> 01:44:27,700
7, and 132 and 7, 7.

2521
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,560
All these intersections showed considerable violations

2522
01:44:32,740 --> 01:44:35,740
of red light runners, not to include

2523
01:44:35,740 --> 01:44:39,620
right turns, just straight through and left turns.

2524
01:44:39,620 --> 01:44:44,000
The reason I would recommend to remove the 6,

2525
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:48,750
7 and 124 and 120 and 6, 7, because the study showed those

2526
01:44:48,750 --> 01:44:51,950
were relatively low risk intersections in the original

2527
01:44:51,950 --> 01:44:53,950
67th Avenue corridor.

2528
01:44:54,590 --> 01:44:55,750
Questions?

2529
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:56,470
I have one.

2530
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:56,970
Sir.

2531
01:44:56,970 --> 01:45:03,830
So on the 77th Avenue streets, is it mostly the 77th Avenue

2532
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:07,592
that the cars are running the reds or is it the cross streets?

2533
01:45:07,592 --> 01:45:08,550
What have you got here?

2534
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:10,550
120, 128, and 132nd.

2535
01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:17,250
I don't have it broken down by the actual direction.

2536
01:45:17,250 --> 01:45:19,870
If need be, I can break it down even further, but that's--

2537
01:45:19,870 --> 01:45:23,390
It would be the same answer then for 112 and 104 for 70.

2538
01:45:23,390 --> 01:45:23,890
Correct.

2539
01:45:23,890 --> 01:45:24,390
OK.

2540
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:26,390
Got it.

2541
01:45:27,300 --> 01:45:27,650
Anybody else?

2542
01:45:27,650 --> 01:45:28,190
I just have a question.

2543
01:45:28,190 --> 01:45:29,130
I think this is great.

2544
01:45:29,130 --> 01:45:32,550
And I of course defer to the chief's recommendation on this.

2545
01:45:32,550 --> 01:45:35,130
In the earlier iteration, it was all on Ludlum,

2546
01:45:35,130 --> 01:45:38,290
so I know that to the extent the word was shared about this,

2547
01:45:38,290 --> 01:45:41,875
it would be, hey, we're putting cameras in on Ludlum.

2548
01:45:41,875 --> 01:45:43,250
Obviously, this changes it a bit,

2549
01:45:43,250 --> 01:45:46,920
but can you just remind me of what the plan is

2550
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:48,790
when these are deployed?

2551
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:50,540
Is there going to be an announcement, hey,

2552
01:45:50,540 --> 01:45:51,780
we're putting cameras here?

2553
01:45:51,780 --> 01:45:53,960
Yes, it requires a public information campaign

2554
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:57,480
and requires a 30-day warning period.

2555
01:45:57,480 --> 01:46:01,800
So there will be general knowledge of this.

2556
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:04,520
We have not yet moved forward with the contract on 67th

2557
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:08,100
Avenue, because if there was any interest in expanding it,

2558
01:46:08,100 --> 01:46:09,937
it would be all part of the same contract.

2559
01:46:09,937 --> 01:46:11,520
We would have to go back to the vendor

2560
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,260
and rework some of the terms.

2561
01:46:13,260 --> 01:46:15,760
So that's why we're here today, to decide what direction you

2562
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:16,427
guys want to go.

2563
01:46:16,427 --> 01:46:18,100
I have a feeling, you'll figure it out

2564
01:46:18,100 --> 01:46:19,780
pretty quick when you get the note.

2565
01:46:19,780 --> 01:46:22,540
But will this have, I mean, a substantial cost?

2566
01:46:22,540 --> 01:46:24,820
No, it's cost-neutral to the village.

2567
01:46:24,820 --> 01:46:26,220
That clause still remains.

2568
01:46:26,220 --> 01:46:27,280
OK.

2569
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:29,320
I think it's great,

2570
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:30,000
Mr. Mayor, so--

2571
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,200
I have a question, if I--

2572
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:31,700
oh, sorry.

2573
01:46:31,700 --> 01:46:32,200
Go ahead.

2574
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:33,280
Go ahead, Ariel.

2575
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,360
Then we'll let chairman go since he's in the room.

2576
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:39,120
I have a question for the chief.

2577
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:41,860
As you did the studies on these other intersections,

2578
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:46,210
did you study the ones on 67th that had been originally studied

2579
01:46:46,210 --> 01:46:48,210
by the vendor?

2580
01:46:49,370 --> 01:46:53,850
In the original study that prompted us to move forward with

2581
01:46:53,850 --> 01:46:56,110
the 67th Avenue, we have that data.

2582
01:46:56,110 --> 01:47:00,290
We didn't do another study on 67th Avenue.

2583
01:47:00,290 --> 01:47:02,930
But your staff, it is the village

2584
01:47:02,930 --> 01:47:05,610
that did the studies on these other new intersections?

2585
01:47:05,610 --> 01:47:06,110
I'm sorry.

2586
01:47:06,110 --> 01:47:06,860
Can you repeat it?

2587
01:47:06,860 --> 01:47:08,770
I didn't hear you.

2588
01:47:08,770 --> 01:47:11,870
Who did the study on these additional intersections?

2589
01:47:11,870 --> 01:47:13,180
Was it us or the vendor?

2590
01:47:13,180 --> 01:47:14,430
No, the vendor does the study.

2591
01:47:14,430 --> 01:47:18,190
They put out temporary cameras on all these intersections.

2592
01:47:18,190 --> 01:47:20,270
They let the data run for a 12-hour period.

2593
01:47:20,270 --> 01:47:23,810
And then they report back how many violations were witnessed

2594
01:47:23,810 --> 01:47:25,390
in the 12-hour period.

2595
01:47:25,390 --> 01:47:26,790
But it was done at our request.

2596
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:27,510
At our request.

2597
01:47:27,510 --> 01:47:28,850
Correct.

2598
01:47:28,850 --> 01:47:29,350
OK.

2599
01:47:29,350 --> 01:47:29,750
All right.

2600
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:30,250
Thank you.

2601
01:47:30,250 --> 01:47:31,530
Thanks for clarifying.

2602
01:47:31,530 --> 01:47:32,310
Mr. Chairman.

2603
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:34,990
So back in our February meeting, when we approved these,

2604
01:47:34,990 --> 01:47:38,370
it was for five red light cameras.

2605
01:47:38,370 --> 01:47:43,510
From my remembrance of it, it's basically a trial that we were

2606
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:46,100
going to check out the red light cameras,

2607
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:49,110
see how effective they would be on 67th Avenue.

2608
01:47:49,110 --> 01:47:51,510
At that time, there were two of the intersections

2609
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:55,950
that they classified as tier 3, which were less of a problem

2610
01:47:55,950 --> 01:47:57,450
intersections than the other ones,

2611
01:47:57,450 --> 01:47:58,950
the two that you have mentioned.

2612
01:47:58,950 --> 01:48:00,510
Correct.

2613
01:48:00,510 --> 01:48:04,550
The discussion became, should we look at other intersections

2614
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:07,790
to take those two and spread this out around the village

2615
01:48:07,790 --> 01:48:10,430
a little bit more, rather than having everything on 67th

2616
01:48:10,430 --> 01:48:11,630
Avenue?

2617
01:48:11,630 --> 01:48:15,250
So sure enough, we have two intersections,

2618
01:48:15,250 --> 01:48:20,650
both on 112th street, 72nd Avenue and 77th Avenue,

2619
01:48:20,670 --> 01:48:22,370
which could take the place of those.

2620
01:48:22,370 --> 01:48:26,950
So my belief is, we should just stick to the five cameras that

2621
01:48:26,950 --> 01:48:29,630
we originally approved in February,

2622
01:48:29,630 --> 01:48:34,390
but take two of those in the tier 3 category and move them

2623
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:37,990
to this 1/12 and 72nd, 1/12 and 77th.

2624
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:43,660
And let's see how effective they are,

2625
01:48:43,660 --> 01:48:45,640
what the public reaction is.

2626
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:48,560
Again, if we're going to do these things,

2627
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,440
I'm going to expect that these red light violations will

2628
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:52,940
decrease in number.

2629
01:48:52,940 --> 01:48:56,860
If they're not decreasing in number, then what are we doing?

2630
01:48:56,860 --> 01:48:59,600
We're not really making our streets any safer.

2631
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,280
So I would suggest that we stick with the five cameras originally

2632
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:07,760
intended in February, and change the two locations,

2633
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,640
and then see how this all works.

2634
01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:12,560
All right.

2635
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:13,627
Everybody spoken?

2636
01:49:13,627 --> 01:49:15,460
I'm inclined to go with what the chief says.

2637
01:49:15,460 --> 01:49:17,860
So what do we want to do?

2638
01:49:17,860 --> 01:49:19,860
Somebody--

2639
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:21,822
[INAUDIBLE]

2640
01:49:21,822 --> 01:49:22,780
We got to do something.

2641
01:49:22,780 --> 01:49:24,240
We got to come to at least a consensus, which--

2642
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:26,115
We're just going to put them everywhere then?

2643
01:49:26,115 --> 01:49:28,360
No, I think anywhere there's a problem, I guess.

2644
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:30,940
Well, I don't know if we've looked at every intersection.

2645
01:49:30,940 --> 01:49:32,440
Well, we haven't, but the ones we've

2646
01:49:32,440 --> 01:49:35,300
looked at, where there's a problem, he's recommending them.

2647
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:37,800
I mean, I don't know how you ignore

2648
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:39,850
life safety issue like that.

2649
01:49:39,850 --> 01:49:42,290
And we're hearing the chief say, based

2650
01:49:42,290 --> 01:49:44,668
on the experience of the police department,

2651
01:49:44,668 --> 01:49:46,210
this is where we should move them to,

2652
01:49:46,210 --> 01:49:50,410
because the results where they currently are

2653
01:49:50,490 --> 01:49:52,590
haven't demonstrated the need.

2654
01:49:52,590 --> 01:49:55,750
So he's giving us a recommendation to move them.

2655
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:58,490
I think we should listen to the chief's recommendation.

2656
01:49:58,490 --> 01:50:01,430
For clarification, they are not up yet on 67th Avenue.

2657
01:50:01,430 --> 01:50:03,300
This is just based on study numbers.

2658
01:50:03,300 --> 01:50:03,530
OK.

2659
01:50:03,530 --> 01:50:05,530
Even-- OK.

2660
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:09,330
I guess, what we're saying is we find out that there is not

2661
01:50:09,330 --> 01:50:11,330
an issue there.

2662
01:50:11,530 --> 01:50:12,270
What's it matter?

2663
01:50:12,270 --> 01:50:14,250
You just keep them up.

2664
01:50:14,250 --> 01:50:16,930
Well, we had approved five.

2665
01:50:16,930 --> 01:50:19,490
Yeah, but doesn't cost us anything.

2666
01:50:19,490 --> 01:50:24,730
I know, but it's still more cameras, more infrastructure

2667
01:50:24,730 --> 01:50:26,110
at these intersections.

2668
01:50:26,110 --> 01:50:26,910
You're still not.

2669
01:50:26,910 --> 01:50:31,790
There's other intersections that we're not taking care of.

2670
01:50:31,790 --> 01:50:33,700
I think it's an overreach.

2671
01:50:33,700 --> 01:50:35,130
That's just my personal opinion.

2672
01:50:35,130 --> 01:50:37,130
We approve five.

2673
01:50:37,845 --> 01:50:40,220
We looked into others to see if we should spread that out

2674
01:50:40,220 --> 01:50:42,160
instead of keeping it on 67th Avenue.

2675
01:50:42,160 --> 01:50:45,780
We found two good intersections that above all, the others

2676
01:50:45,780 --> 01:50:47,300
qualify.

2677
01:50:47,300 --> 01:50:54,600
Let's just move the two and keep it at five, and get it started

2678
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,620
and see how it affects the traffic.

2679
01:50:57,620 --> 01:51:00,620
Again, last year, 39 tickets were

2680
01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:04,700
issued for running red lights in the village of Pinecrest.

2681
01:51:04,700 --> 01:51:09,500
So how big of a problem is it?

2682
01:51:09,660 --> 01:51:12,520
Why would you argue with preventing people from--

2683
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:14,802
I'm not preventing them, but fining them

2684
01:51:14,802 --> 01:51:15,760
for running red lights.

2685
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:16,940
[INAUDIBLE]

2686
01:51:16,940 --> 01:51:20,240
It's like speeding through the schools.

2687
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:21,560
Listen, I agree, it's--

2688
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:23,420
It's OK to speed through a school zone,

2689
01:51:23,420 --> 01:51:24,800
but there is a toll for that.

2690
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:25,800
And that's what this is.

2691
01:51:25,800 --> 01:51:27,258
Go ahead and run as many red lights

2692
01:51:27,258 --> 01:51:30,540
as you want, but there's a fine for it, because it's unsafe.

2693
01:51:30,540 --> 01:51:31,420
And we could--

2694
01:51:31,420 --> 01:51:32,715
It's deadly.

2695
01:51:32,715 --> 01:51:35,340
At the same time, we're talking about lowering the speed limits

2696
01:51:35,340 --> 01:51:37,340
when we decided on the five red light cameras.

2697
01:51:37,340 --> 01:51:38,980
And I'm not a fan of red light cameras,

2698
01:51:38,980 --> 01:51:40,540
but it is a safety issue.

2699
01:51:40,540 --> 01:51:42,560
And we are showing that there's a lot of people

2700
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:44,880
running these red lights.

2701
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:45,860
So you're right.

2702
01:51:45,860 --> 01:51:49,640
I mean, we could put cameras everywhere in the village

2703
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,240
and make it maybe safer.

2704
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:57,120
But look at you as one, not a huge reduction in red light

2705
01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:01,240
running, but a good bit of revenue coming into the village.

2706
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:07,120
But I don't know if it's made it a lot safer.

2707
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:07,780
All right.

2708
01:52:07,780 --> 01:52:10,660
So who's in favor of the chief's recommendation?

2709
01:52:10,660 --> 01:52:11,960
I guess, that's the question.

2710
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:12,700
I am.

2711
01:52:12,700 --> 01:52:14,350
So I have a question for--

2712
01:52:14,350 --> 01:52:16,350
Yeah, go ahead.

2713
01:52:17,260 --> 01:52:20,300
Generally speaking, I agree, this is a safety matter.

2714
01:52:20,300 --> 01:52:22,840
And as such, if we have a solution recommended

2715
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:25,540
by the chief to address a safety matter,

2716
01:52:25,540 --> 01:52:27,260
we should move forward and support it.

2717
01:52:27,260 --> 01:52:28,180
It's my opinion.

2718
01:52:28,180 --> 01:52:32,880
I'm curious if the chief has any data or any insights

2719
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:36,700
as to whether these types of deployments,

2720
01:52:36,700 --> 01:52:37,890
these types of cameras do actually

2721
01:52:37,890 --> 01:52:42,492
impact the number of red lights that drivers run.

2722
01:52:42,492 --> 01:52:44,950
We're not going to be the first village that installs them,

2723
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:47,310
so what are the statistics?

2724
01:52:47,310 --> 01:52:50,950
What does the data prove or show in other deployments,

2725
01:52:50,950 --> 01:52:52,790
other cities that have implemented these?

2726
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:58,190
And what reduction have they seen in reckless driving?

2727
01:52:59,370 --> 01:53:03,450
So here's the best way I can answer that question.

2728
01:53:03,450 --> 01:53:06,410
Our current red light cameras are on US1.

2729
01:53:06,410 --> 01:53:08,410
US1, three-lane highway.

2730
01:53:08,730 --> 01:53:11,350
People that traverse US1 are not only local,

2731
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:13,650
but they're coming from all over the place.

2732
01:53:13,650 --> 01:53:16,190
What we're looking at here are interior cameras,

2733
01:53:16,190 --> 01:53:20,930
which would generally be much more local than US1.

2734
01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:22,970
If we compare it to the speed enforcement

2735
01:53:22,970 --> 01:53:25,970
cameras at the schools, that had a huge impact

2736
01:53:25,970 --> 01:53:27,630
on slowing people down.

2737
01:53:27,630 --> 01:53:31,330
Our year over year violations issued at the schools

2738
01:53:31,330 --> 01:53:33,880
for the speed decreased significantly,

2739
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,700
which meant people who got tickets in year 1

2740
01:53:36,700 --> 01:53:38,205
are not getting tickets in year 2,

2741
01:53:38,205 --> 01:53:40,800
because not that they're not driving anymore,

2742
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,000
but they know to slow down.

2743
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,180
So that is the ultimate goal here.

2744
01:53:45,180 --> 01:53:46,640
I guess, time will tell.

2745
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:49,760
I don't have any hard data in other municipalities,

2746
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,580
but that is my general belief that, yes, I believe,

2747
01:53:52,580 --> 01:53:54,620
we will see a similar pattern if we put these

2748
01:53:54,620 --> 01:53:56,720
on the interior roads in Pinecrest.

2749
01:53:56,720 --> 01:54:01,440
So the question was, who agrees with the chief's recommendation?

2750
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:02,240
I've got one.

2751
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,240
Ariel's got two.

2752
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:06,100
Three, four, four.

2753
01:54:06,100 --> 01:54:07,640
So we don't need to vote.

2754
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:09,313
That's the consensus.

2755
01:54:09,313 --> 01:54:10,480
Is that all you need, Mitch?

2756
01:54:10,480 --> 01:54:11,772
We don't need a voting on this?

2757
01:54:11,772 --> 01:54:16,480
Yeah, I think that the staff can act based on the council.

2758
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:17,620
Excellent.

2759
01:54:17,620 --> 01:54:18,680
All righty then.

2760
01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:20,680
So what's next?

2761
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:23,800
However, in an abundance of caution,

2762
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:24,220
open it for public comment.

2763
01:54:24,220 --> 01:54:27,100
In an abundance of caution, even though we're not voting.

2764
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:27,600
All right.

2765
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:29,142
Does anybody want to comment on this?

2766
01:54:29,142 --> 01:54:31,120
Open to the public.

2767
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:31,740
Seeing none.

2768
01:54:31,740 --> 01:54:34,460
Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing.

2769
01:54:34,460 --> 01:54:35,860
Nobody online, I'm assuming?

2770
01:54:35,860 --> 01:54:37,240
No.

2771
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:38,500
Or nobody online cares.

2772
01:54:38,500 --> 01:54:40,500
That's fine.

2773
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:42,860
All right.

2774
01:54:42,860 --> 01:54:44,300
Submission of the budget.

2775
01:54:44,300 --> 01:54:46,700
That's different than tab 13.

2776
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:53,120
Did you want to leave the budget for the last thing?

2777
01:54:53,120 --> 01:54:54,520
Is that not--

2778
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:55,900
I haven't done the budget yet.

2779
01:54:55,900 --> 01:54:58,680
So we can go on to the resolutions and then--

2780
01:54:58,680 --> 01:54:59,180
OK.

2781
01:54:59,180 --> 01:55:01,580
Let's do tab 15 then.

2782
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:03,562
That's the last one.

2783
01:55:03,562 --> 01:55:06,200
That was a resolution of the village of Pinecrest, Florida,

2784
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:07,440
authorizing the village manager to enter

2785
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,400
into a professional services agreement with Bowman Consulting

2786
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:12,860
Group, Ltd, for the transportation assessment study,

2787
01:55:12,860 --> 01:55:14,400
providing for an effective date.

2788
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:15,520
All right.

2789
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:16,640
Whose baby is that?

2790
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:17,880
That's my baby.

2791
01:55:17,880 --> 01:55:23,280
So we've had a couple years worth of discussion

2792
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:28,570
during strategic planning on the idea of establishing

2793
01:55:28,570 --> 01:55:32,490
a transportation assessment fee to augment what

2794
01:55:32,490 --> 01:55:35,450
we get from local option gas taxes,

2795
01:55:35,450 --> 01:55:40,250
for the purposes of maintaining our road infrastructure,

2796
01:55:42,890 --> 01:55:44,890
a right of way infrastructure.

2797
01:55:44,890 --> 01:55:48,770
Right now, we get about, I want to say,

2798
01:55:48,770 --> 01:55:54,170
430,000 from the local option gas taxes, which, in today's.

2799
01:55:57,100 --> 01:56:02,410
economic climate, is basically worthless in terms of trying

2800
01:56:03,850 --> 01:56:06,250
to resurface our roadways.

2801
01:56:06,450 --> 01:56:11,930
We have made a lot of headway with our drainage projects

2802
01:56:11,930 --> 01:56:15,900
and our potable water projects to resurface

2803
01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:18,690
some of the interior residential areas.

2804
01:56:19,250 --> 01:56:21,100
But in a general sense, when you look

2805
01:56:21,100 --> 01:56:24,570
at the condition of the pavement throughout the village,

2806
01:56:24,570 --> 01:56:27,740
the areas that are worse off are obviously

2807
01:56:27,740 --> 01:56:31,340
the ones that are traversed mostly with most traffic, which

2808
01:56:31,340 --> 01:56:34,340
would be the arterial roadway.

2809
01:56:34,420 --> 01:56:38,620
So in furtherance of establishing a funding

2810
01:56:40,140 --> 01:56:44,180
source that's dedicated similarly to the stormwater

2811
01:56:44,180 --> 01:56:46,620
utility fee that we have, which is specific just

2812
01:56:46,620 --> 01:56:51,300
for drainage improvements, my recommendation-- and council has

2813
01:56:51,300 --> 01:56:54,740
considered this, and it is part of my overall recommendation

2814
01:56:54,740 --> 01:56:57,220
in the budget, is that we would consider

2815
01:56:57,220 --> 01:57:00,220
establishing the transportation assessment fee.

2816
01:57:00,340 --> 01:57:03,700
But before you do any of that or even

2817
01:57:03,700 --> 01:57:06,760
actually implement something or consider the vote,

2818
01:57:06,760 --> 01:57:09,620
we would have to do a study, which

2819
01:57:09,620 --> 01:57:12,500
is what I have before you right now, that would look at it

2820
01:57:12,500 --> 01:57:15,500
and give you a recommendation of how

2821
01:57:15,500 --> 01:57:19,200
we might go about establishing something like this.

2822
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:20,880
So this is the first step.

2823
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,260
We would obviously, if we were to go forward

2824
01:57:23,260 --> 01:57:25,270
with this approach, we would have

2825
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:27,490
to have public hearings and all that.

2826
01:57:27,490 --> 01:57:31,430
But the first step in doing this is doing the actual study

2827
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:36,230
that establishes the individual benefit to the properties

2828
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:38,810
and why we would be charging X, Y,

2829
01:57:38,810 --> 01:57:43,730
Z. So they would develop a formula and base it on X, Y, Z.

2830
01:57:43,730 --> 01:57:45,590
And then we would come back to council

2831
01:57:45,590 --> 01:57:48,310
with all of that with the consultant presenting to council

2832
01:57:48,310 --> 01:57:50,310
for your consideration.

2833
01:57:51,590 --> 01:57:52,310
All right.

2834
01:57:52,310 --> 01:57:54,310
Any questions?

2835
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:58,870
This is for an impact fee type of thing, right?

2836
01:57:58,870 --> 01:58:00,530
It's an assessment fee.

2837
01:58:00,530 --> 01:58:02,300
So it's a special assessment.

2838
01:58:02,300 --> 01:58:04,750
And it's specific to only things that

2839
01:58:04,750 --> 01:58:07,350
would be for maintenance or things

2840
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:10,150
that we would be building in the public right of way,

2841
01:58:10,150 --> 01:58:13,910
just because our transportation fund, the local option gas

2842
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:14,723
taxes that we get--

2843
01:58:14,723 --> 01:58:15,877
Assessment on the homes?

2844
01:58:15,877 --> 01:58:17,210
It's an assessment on the homes.

2845
01:58:17,210 --> 01:58:17,410
OK.

2846
01:58:17,410 --> 01:58:19,350
It's a special assessment fee, similar to what

2847
01:58:19,350 --> 01:58:20,830
we did for the potable water.

2848
01:58:20,830 --> 01:58:21,330
Got it.

2849
01:58:21,330 --> 01:58:21,500
All right.

2850
01:58:21,500 --> 01:58:22,000
Understood.

2851
01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:23,890
It's not an impact fee.

2852
01:58:23,890 --> 01:58:26,430
A developer comes in, it would be on the property.

2853
01:58:26,430 --> 01:58:27,900
On properties.

2854
01:58:27,900 --> 01:58:28,110
Like the stormwater.

2855
01:58:28,110 --> 01:58:29,410
The stormwater fee.

2856
01:58:29,410 --> 01:58:30,610
Correct.

2857
01:58:30,610 --> 01:58:31,330
OK.

2858
01:58:31,330 --> 01:58:33,730
Any questions from us?

2859
01:58:34,900 --> 01:58:35,450
Just a comment.

2860
01:58:35,450 --> 01:58:38,110
I mean, I support doing the study.

2861
01:58:38,110 --> 01:58:41,930
I think we'll have time, once we have the study, to make

2862
01:58:41,930 --> 01:58:44,910
decisions about what to do with it,

2863
01:58:44,910 --> 01:58:46,970
but I think we need the information.

2864
01:58:46,970 --> 01:58:50,422
This goes to the point that the drum--

2865
01:58:50,422 --> 01:58:52,630
I guess, a number of us have been beating butt about.

2866
01:58:52,630 --> 01:58:54,548
We need to be concerned about what happens.

2867
01:58:54,548 --> 01:58:56,590
Look, this may be something we need to do anyway,

2868
01:58:56,590 --> 01:58:59,480
but especially something we need to be concerned about what

2869
01:58:59,480 --> 01:59:02,480
happens if this ridiculous expansion

2870
01:59:02,210 --> 01:59:04,850
of the homestead exemption passes.

2871
01:59:04,850 --> 01:59:06,550
And there's still a very real chance,

2872
01:59:06,550 --> 01:59:09,700
even though all of its proponents, the rats,

2873
01:59:09,700 --> 01:59:12,100
have fled the ship, because they realize it's an absurd idea.

2874
01:59:12,100 --> 01:59:14,170
But nonetheless, there's still a very good chance

2875
01:59:14,170 --> 01:59:15,770
that this nonsense passes, which means

2876
01:59:15,770 --> 01:59:19,410
we're going to have to be prepared to fund

2877
01:59:19,410 --> 01:59:20,950
basic functions of the village.

2878
01:59:20,950 --> 01:59:24,340
And this is one of a very viable way

2879
01:59:24,340 --> 01:59:26,340
to consider doing it in the end, especially

2880
01:59:26,340 --> 01:59:29,830
if the homestead exemption expands so dramatically.

2881
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:31,500
It's not even going to be something that people will still

2882
01:59:31,500 --> 01:59:33,708
come out ahead in the village, potentially, depending

2883
01:59:33,708 --> 01:59:35,260
on what these numbers are.

2884
01:59:35,260 --> 01:59:40,860
But I very much appreciate the manager bringing this forward,

2885
01:59:40,860 --> 01:59:42,700
because it's the responsible thing

2886
01:59:42,700 --> 01:59:44,680
to do, to study all of these options.

2887
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:46,600
And so I support it.

2888
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:49,100
And I look forward to seeing what we learn.

2889
01:59:49,100 --> 01:59:49,700
OK.

2890
01:59:49,700 --> 01:59:52,100
Anybody from the public want to comment on this.

2891
01:59:52,100 --> 01:59:54,100
Mr. Speizer?

2892
01:59:54,780 --> 01:59:56,200
Short and sweet.

2893
01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:57,620
I fully agree.

2894
01:59:57,620 --> 01:59:59,000
Got to have the data.

2895
01:59:59,000 --> 02:00:00,500
Got to have the information.

2896
02:00:00,500 --> 02:00:03,200
You need to make good, wise decisions.

2897
02:00:03,200 --> 02:00:05,420
I fully support it.

2898
02:00:05,420 --> 02:00:05,920
All right.

2899
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:06,480
Thank you.

2900
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:08,600
Anybody else?

2901
02:00:08,600 --> 02:00:08,560
All right.

2902
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,840
Seeing none, we'll close the public comment period.

2903
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:13,420
Do we have a motion?

2904
02:00:13,420 --> 02:00:14,340
I'll move.

2905
02:00:14,340 --> 02:00:14,960
All right.

2906
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:15,260
Second.

2907
02:00:15,260 --> 02:00:16,000
Motion in favor.

2908
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:16,728
Second.

2909
02:00:16,728 --> 02:00:17,270
All in favor?

2910
02:00:17,270 --> 02:00:17,560
Aye.

2911
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:18,140
Aye.

2912
02:00:18,140 --> 02:00:19,120
Anybody opposed?

2913
02:00:19,120 --> 02:00:19,670
Aye.

2914
02:00:19,670 --> 02:00:20,170
All right.

2915
02:00:20,170 --> 02:00:22,170
Motion passes unanimously.

2916
02:00:23,630 --> 02:00:24,230
Excellent.

2917
02:00:24,230 --> 02:00:24,730
All right.

2918
02:00:24,730 --> 02:00:24,950
Mayor.

2919
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:25,230
Yes.

2920
02:00:25,230 --> 02:00:26,950
One more thing that's not on the agenda

2921
02:00:26,950 --> 02:00:31,710
that I wanted to bring to council and ask for approval,

2922
02:00:31,710 --> 02:00:33,350
we have--

2923
02:00:33,350 --> 02:00:37,950
council had approved the award to the lowest

2924
02:00:37,950 --> 02:00:41,550
bidder for the raised crosswalk project.

2925
02:00:41,690 --> 02:00:47,110
The raised crosswalk project is part of the bond issuance

2926
02:00:47,110 --> 02:00:49,830
that we already did two years ago.

2927
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:53,550
I have a deadline of October, by which we have

2928
02:00:53,550 --> 02:00:56,110
to build the raised crosswalks.

2929
02:00:56,110 --> 02:00:59,710
The lowest bidder has bailed out.

2930
02:00:59,830 --> 02:01:06,750
And the second low bidder has agreed to take on the project.

2931
02:01:06,750 --> 02:01:10,950
The additional cost to the village is $66,574.

2932
02:01:13,950 --> 02:01:18,730
So I would recommend that we go forward with the second low

2933
02:01:18,730 --> 02:01:22,330
bidder at the full amount of $812,102,

2934
02:01:27,850 --> 02:01:30,770
so that we can go ahead and start the construction and make

2935
02:01:30,770 --> 02:01:34,370
the deadline for the use of the bond proceeds,

2936
02:01:34,370 --> 02:01:38,730
which have to be effectuated before the end of October.

2937
02:01:38,730 --> 02:01:42,380
Since we're not meeting in August, I brought this to you.

2938
02:01:42,380 --> 02:01:43,630
This is the last minute thing.

2939
02:01:43,630 --> 02:01:46,900
We literally found this out last Friday,

2940
02:01:46,900 --> 02:01:49,500
which is why I'm bringing this to you on Dais.

2941
02:01:49,500 --> 02:01:52,130
Is this based on the changes?

2942
02:01:52,130 --> 02:01:54,670
This is based on changes of the scope.

2943
02:01:54,670 --> 02:01:58,490
The revised low bid, which was the second low bidder,

2944
02:01:58,490 --> 02:01:59,850
was Metro.

2945
02:01:59,850 --> 02:02:06,450
And we would be awarding-- the cost is still $66,574 more than

2946
02:02:07,530 --> 02:02:10,470
the low bid that we had awarded previously.

2947
02:02:10,470 --> 02:02:11,690
What's the total cost?

2948
02:02:11,690 --> 02:02:13,690
Total cost, $812,102.

2949
02:02:15,150 --> 02:02:18,620
And what was Metro's original bid?

2950
02:02:18,620 --> 02:02:22,280
I don't know the answer to that question, unfortunately.

2951
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:24,680
I'd like to know.

2952
02:02:25,140 --> 02:02:27,540
Again, we're talking about--

2953
02:02:28,260 --> 02:02:28,760
Let me see.

2954
02:02:28,760 --> 02:02:32,493
You guys know how I feel about getting too fancy with some

2955
02:02:32,493 --> 02:02:33,160
of these things.

2956
02:02:33,160 --> 02:02:36,660
These crosswalks should be fairly straightforward--

2957
02:02:36,660 --> 02:02:40,200
some concrete, some asphalt, some markings.

2958
02:02:40,200 --> 02:02:43,620
And we're making them into something fancy that's

2959
02:02:43,620 --> 02:02:45,820
costing us a lot of money.

2960
02:02:45,820 --> 02:02:49,260
I'd like to know where Metro was and what

2961
02:02:49,260 --> 02:02:52,460
their taking off of their bid to do the simplified

2962
02:02:52,460 --> 02:02:54,160
version that we talked about.

2963
02:02:54,160 --> 02:02:56,560
What's fancy about it?

2964
02:02:57,740 --> 02:03:01,340
Pavers, concrete, colored concrete, regular concrete,

2965
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:03,880
asphalt, traffic markings.

2966
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:04,440
I mean--

2967
02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:04,940
Understand.

2968
02:03:04,940 --> 02:03:07,600
How many locations are they going in?

2969
02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:09,180
I think it's five or six.

2970
02:03:09,180 --> 02:03:13,367
I believe, it's five along all the cross streets on--

2971
02:03:13,367 --> 02:03:13,950
Kendall Drive.

2972
02:03:13,950 --> 02:03:15,300
--Kendall Drive.

2973
02:03:15,300 --> 02:03:16,290
This is for the shared use.

2974
02:03:16,290 --> 02:03:17,300
Shared use.

2975
02:03:17,300 --> 02:03:21,700
In fact, Jim, you sent us a great video that

2976
02:03:21,700 --> 02:03:23,700
showed elevated crosswalks.

2977
02:03:23,170 --> 02:03:25,390
I think it was in Canada.

2978
02:03:25,390 --> 02:03:27,340
I think it was in Canada, that you sent us.

2979
02:03:27,340 --> 02:03:28,900
No, not in Canada.

2980
02:03:28,900 --> 02:03:29,500
It could have been Houston.

2981
02:03:29,500 --> 02:03:29,970
Well, you might have seen it.

2982
02:03:29,970 --> 02:03:31,210
I don't think you took the video.

2983
02:03:31,210 --> 02:03:31,990
I think you just shared--

2984
02:03:31,990 --> 02:03:32,737
The original.

2985
02:03:32,737 --> 02:03:33,570
You're right, I did.

2986
02:03:33,570 --> 02:03:34,370
I sent it to you.

2987
02:03:34,370 --> 02:03:34,870
And--

2988
02:03:34,870 --> 02:03:36,300
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

2989
02:03:36,300 --> 02:03:37,290
You've never been to Canada?

2990
02:03:37,290 --> 02:03:38,510
No, not recently.

2991
02:03:38,510 --> 02:03:40,850
I was going to say--

2992
02:03:40,850 --> 02:03:42,850
[INAUDIBLE]

2993
02:03:42,930 --> 02:03:43,450
Yes.

2994
02:03:43,450 --> 02:03:46,210
The [INAUDIBLE] crosswalks slow traffic down,

2995
02:03:46,210 --> 02:03:49,290
especially when they're turning in and out of the streets.

2996
02:03:49,290 --> 02:03:50,470
So that's why--

2997
02:03:50,470 --> 02:03:52,610
That's a safety issue for people on bicycles.

2998
02:03:52,610 --> 02:03:53,110
Right.

2999
02:03:53,110 --> 02:03:55,700
So that's why we want to do it.

3000
02:03:55,700 --> 02:03:58,930
And I noticed in that video that you sent, they were very basic.

3001
02:03:58,930 --> 02:04:01,130
And they were still quite functional.

3002
02:04:01,130 --> 02:04:01,950
And they worked.

3003
02:04:01,950 --> 02:04:02,790
[INAUDIBLE]

3004
02:04:02,790 --> 02:04:04,130
I have the amount.

3005
02:04:04,130 --> 02:04:07,730
The original amount was bid at $977,042.

3006
02:04:10,270 --> 02:04:13,270
So they dropped it to $812,102.

3007
02:04:15,880 --> 02:04:17,760
So it got cheaper.

3008
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:20,280
Well, because it got simpler.

3009
02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:20,780
Right.

3010
02:04:20,780 --> 02:04:24,240
We changed the scope and fixed it a little bit.

3011
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:25,200
See, it got cheaper.

3012
02:04:25,200 --> 02:04:25,800
It's renewed.

3013
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:27,180
It's even better.

3014
02:04:27,180 --> 02:04:28,810
And we were heading in the right direction.

3015
02:04:28,810 --> 02:04:29,140
Correct.

3016
02:04:29,140 --> 02:04:30,900
We were heading in the right direction.

3017
02:04:30,900 --> 02:04:32,250
We can complain about that.

3018
02:04:32,250 --> 02:04:36,640
And what's the reason why you're suggesting we do it now and not

3019
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:38,420
at the September meeting?

3020
02:04:38,420 --> 02:04:42,600
It's a timing issue, because we need time to construct it.

3021
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:48,660
We have to spend the money by no later than October 31.

3022
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:50,800
So what's the alternative?

3023
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:53,200
To not do it?

3024
02:04:53,457 --> 02:04:54,540
You don't spend the money.

3025
02:04:54,540 --> 02:04:55,920
What are you going to do?

3026
02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:56,647
Give it back.

3027
02:04:56,647 --> 02:04:57,980
You have to give the money back.

3028
02:04:57,980 --> 02:04:58,320
Yeah.

3029
02:04:58,320 --> 02:04:58,900
You give it back.

3030
02:04:58,900 --> 02:04:59,230
The whole idea--

3031
02:04:59,230 --> 02:05:00,240
So it's not our money.

3032
02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:00,920
Yeah.

3033
02:05:00,920 --> 02:05:01,600
Correct.

3034
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:02,100
OK.

3035
02:05:02,100 --> 02:05:06,680
So the idea is a good one, a race crosswalk.

3036
02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:08,600
It's a safety issue.

3037
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:11,520
The issue is that the low bidder just pulled out.

3038
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:16,883
So it's a matter of going to the next low bidder and awarding.

3039
02:05:16,883 --> 02:05:18,800
But that's what you'd do anyway, wouldn't you?

3040
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:20,342
We normally would do that, but I need

3041
02:05:20,342 --> 02:05:23,820
council approval, because it exceeds my purchasing authority.

3042
02:05:23,820 --> 02:05:25,540
Because the original bid was how much?

3043
02:05:25,540 --> 02:05:27,820
The original bid was 7.45.

3044
02:05:27,820 --> 02:05:32,620
Was 66 grand less than the new low bid?

3045
02:05:33,220 --> 02:05:35,620
Well, no, the second.

3046
02:05:37,940 --> 02:05:38,530
Let me say--

3047
02:05:38,530 --> 02:05:39,280
What's the second?

3048
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:40,300
Yeah, what's the--

3049
02:05:40,300 --> 02:05:44,230
The original bidder, which was SC Contractors,

3050
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:47,320
bid for $745,528.

3051
02:05:50,340 --> 02:05:55,140
The second low bidder was Metro Express for $977,000.042.

3052
02:05:58,900 --> 02:06:01,743
SC Contractors has pulled out.

3053
02:06:01,743 --> 02:06:03,160
They don't want to do the project.

3054
02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:04,200
That's the--

3055
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:05,660
That was the lowest bidder.

3056
02:06:05,660 --> 02:06:10,150
So the next low bidder was Metro Express.

3057
02:06:10,150 --> 02:06:14,330
And they have revised their bid, because we've changed the scope.

3058
02:06:14,330 --> 02:06:16,390
We've simplified the scope.

3059
02:06:16,390 --> 02:06:19,990
And their revised number is now 8, 12, 102.

3060
02:06:21,435 --> 02:06:22,810
Which is how much more than the--

3061
02:06:22,810 --> 02:06:28,190
Which is $66,500, roughly, above what the low bidder originally

3062
02:06:28,190 --> 02:06:30,590
was, which was a 7.45.

3063
02:06:30,610 --> 02:06:31,930
So less than 10%.

3064
02:06:31,930 --> 02:06:33,500
Right.

3065
02:06:33,500 --> 02:06:33,550
Yes.

3066
02:06:33,550 --> 02:06:34,150
OK.

3067
02:06:34,150 --> 02:06:35,192
I got no problem with it.

3068
02:06:35,192 --> 02:06:36,730
I think it's not our money.

3069
02:06:36,730 --> 02:06:39,500
We have to give it back to whomever gave it to us.

3070
02:06:39,500 --> 02:06:41,410
And this is exactly the process that we'll

3071
02:06:41,410 --> 02:06:42,410
be going through anyway.

3072
02:06:42,410 --> 02:06:44,910
When the low bidder pulls out, you pick the next low bidder.

3073
02:06:44,910 --> 02:06:47,190
They revise their bid because we value-engineered.

3074
02:06:47,190 --> 02:06:49,590
We got a price that's less than--

3075
02:06:49,590 --> 02:06:52,310
it's 8% higher than we did before, which

3076
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:54,550
is not necessarily significant.

3077
02:06:54,550 --> 02:06:56,510
And if we don't spend the money--

3078
02:06:56,510 --> 02:06:57,530
We have to return it.

3079
02:06:57,530 --> 02:06:59,895
--we're going to return it.

3080
02:06:59,895 --> 02:07:01,270
And we got to vote on this anyway

3081
02:07:01,270 --> 02:07:02,570
to give you authorization.

3082
02:07:02,570 --> 02:07:06,210
So if we don't do it now, we don't even vote on it now,

3083
02:07:06,210 --> 02:07:09,240
we're likely to have to give the money back,

3084
02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:11,960
because there's no way we can get through construction

3085
02:07:11,960 --> 02:07:14,960
by the end of September.

3086
02:07:16,520 --> 02:07:18,600
So construction has to be done or just--

3087
02:07:18,600 --> 02:07:19,260
Construction.

3088
02:07:19,260 --> 02:07:20,940
We have to have spent the money.

3089
02:07:20,940 --> 02:07:21,860
You spend it.

3090
02:07:21,860 --> 02:07:23,137
And the money is from--

3091
02:07:23,137 --> 02:07:24,720
I just want to make sure I understand.

3092
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:25,540
The money is from--

3093
02:07:25,540 --> 02:07:27,140
It's budgeted.

3094
02:07:27,140 --> 02:07:28,180
It was in the--

3095
02:07:28,180 --> 02:07:29,560
But who's it from?

3096
02:07:29,560 --> 02:07:30,200
Bond.

3097
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:32,200
Bond proceeds.

3098
02:07:32,658 --> 02:07:34,700
Bank loan proceeds, because that was a bank loan.

3099
02:07:34,700 --> 02:07:38,000
It wasn't a bond that we issued a couple years ago.

3100
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:39,880
It's part of that bond that we did

3101
02:07:39,880 --> 02:07:43,280
for phase 2 of Coral Pine Park.

3102
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:44,550
So it is our money, though.

3103
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:45,300
I mean, it's not--

3104
02:07:45,300 --> 02:07:45,793
It's our money.

3105
02:07:45,793 --> 02:07:46,680
It's not our money.

3106
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:48,200
It's not like it's a grant that we then would--

3107
02:07:48,200 --> 02:07:48,900
No, no, no.

3108
02:07:48,900 --> 02:07:51,380
It's just that if you don't spend it by a certain time,

3109
02:07:51,380 --> 02:07:54,440
we have to then send it back, because we

3110
02:07:54,440 --> 02:07:57,372
have to spend it within two years of the bond or the money--

3111
02:07:57,372 --> 02:07:59,800
I guess, the question is, we're committed

3112
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:01,240
to the project in the first place.

3113
02:08:01,240 --> 02:08:03,640
We're spending 8% more money.

3114
02:08:04,200 --> 02:08:07,340
Is that the reason not to do the project?

3115
02:08:07,340 --> 02:08:10,700
Whether you vote on it now or you vote on it whenever,

3116
02:08:10,700 --> 02:08:12,900
is that a reason to risk the project?

3117
02:08:12,900 --> 02:08:14,820
I say no.

3118
02:08:14,820 --> 02:08:15,440
Same project.

3119
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:16,780
We all were committed to it.

3120
02:08:16,780 --> 02:08:18,780
It's 8% more now.

3121
02:08:19,812 --> 02:08:20,520
We need to do it.

3122
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:22,380
We would have approved it if we didn't have

3123
02:08:22,380 --> 02:08:24,795
that other low bid that bailed.

3124
02:08:24,795 --> 02:08:25,420
And obviously--

3125
02:08:25,420 --> 02:08:26,530
We would have paid more.

3126
02:08:26,530 --> 02:08:27,780
We would have still paid more.

3127
02:08:27,780 --> 02:08:28,400
Yeah.

3128
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:30,140
And then we would have just authorized the low bid before,

3129
02:08:30,140 --> 02:08:31,848
because we were committed to the project.

3130
02:08:31,848 --> 02:08:34,600
And this will be the first raised sidewalk.

3131
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:35,340
I think that's a great--

3132
02:08:35,340 --> 02:08:36,380
crosswalk, rather.

3133
02:08:36,380 --> 02:08:39,600
I think it's a good step in the right direction

3134
02:08:39,600 --> 02:08:42,900
to see how these work, because I can see application

3135
02:08:42,900 --> 02:08:45,540
in the future in this town, of having raised

3136
02:08:45,540 --> 02:08:50,940
crosswalks, for life safety issue for walkers and bicycles.

3137
02:08:52,426 --> 02:08:53,360
OK.

3138
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:55,340
So if somebody want to make a motion.

3139
02:08:55,340 --> 02:09:00,120
I will, motion to accept the second bidder.

3140
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:02,120
Anybody want to second it?

3141
02:09:02,120 --> 02:09:02,620
Second.

3142
02:09:02,620 --> 02:09:03,590
I'll second.

3143
02:09:03,590 --> 02:09:04,900
All right.

3144
02:09:04,900 --> 02:09:04,890
Chairman got it.

3145
02:09:04,890 --> 02:09:06,130
All in favor, say aye.

3146
02:09:06,130 --> 02:09:06,630
Aye.

3147
02:09:06,630 --> 02:09:06,950
Aye.

3148
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:07,350
Aye.

3149
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:07,570
Aye.

3150
02:09:07,570 --> 02:09:07,790
Anybody--

3151
02:09:07,790 --> 02:09:08,450
Aye.

3152
02:09:08,450 --> 02:09:08,950
No.

3153
02:09:08,950 --> 02:09:09,470
Unanimous.

3154
02:09:09,470 --> 02:09:09,970
All right.

3155
02:09:09,970 --> 02:09:11,310
What's next?

3156
02:09:11,310 --> 02:09:11,870
Budget.

3157
02:09:11,870 --> 02:09:13,870
All right.

3158
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:16,870
Pass the gavel.

3159
02:09:16,990 --> 02:09:18,500
Can I take a little break?

3160
02:09:18,500 --> 02:09:19,250
You guys go ahead.

3161
02:09:19,250 --> 02:09:20,292
Let me know what happens.

3162
02:09:20,292 --> 02:09:21,830
[LAUGHTER]

3163
02:09:21,830 --> 02:09:23,310
All right.

3164
02:09:23,310 --> 02:09:25,205
I'm good with taking a five minute recess.

3165
02:09:25,205 --> 02:09:26,830
Well, now that everybody's walked out--

3166
02:09:26,830 --> 02:09:27,690
I got to go, too.

3167
02:09:27,690 --> 02:09:29,510
So--

3168
02:09:29,510 --> 02:09:31,410
All right.

3169
02:09:31,410 --> 02:09:33,410
OK.

3170
02:09:35,186 --> 02:09:37,186
Only so long.

3171
02:09:38,790 --> 02:09:41,790
Ariel, are you still awake?

3172
02:09:41,830 --> 02:09:43,330
Did you get a chance--

3173
02:09:43,330 --> 02:09:45,330
Very much awake.

3174
02:09:45,790 --> 02:09:47,630
Had you been to the--

3175
02:09:47,630 --> 02:09:52,430
there's a Mozart concert, where they have dancing,

3176
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:55,750
ballet from the--

3177
02:09:56,170 --> 02:09:57,610
I went there a couple years ago.

3178
02:09:57,610 --> 02:09:59,750
I can't remember the name of it.

3179
02:09:59,750 --> 02:10:02,360
It's a touristy thing, but it's great.

3180
02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:05,920
Is that at the Mirabell Gardens.

3181
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:08,920
Does that ring a bell?

3182
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:02,320
[SIDE CONVERSATION]

3183
02:16:21,200 --> 02:16:21,820
I'm back.

3184
02:16:21,820 --> 02:16:22,880
I'm back.

3185
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:24,400
Oh, you made it.

3186
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:25,200
Ariel, you made it.

3187
02:16:25,200 --> 02:16:25,940
I made it.

3188
02:16:25,940 --> 02:16:27,920
[CHUCKLES] I made it.

3189
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:29,440
I made it back.

3190
02:16:29,440 --> 02:16:31,560
We don't know how long the break is.

3191
02:16:31,560 --> 02:16:33,560
[INAUDIBLE]

3192
02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:37,600
My wife made sure that I was muted

3193
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:38,879
when I went to the bathroom.

3194
02:16:38,879 --> 02:16:40,280
No fun, like The Naked Gun.

3195
02:16:40,280 --> 02:16:42,400
[LAUGHTER]

3196
02:16:42,400 --> 02:16:42,980
When he goes in.

3197
02:16:42,980 --> 02:16:44,980
[SIDE CONVERSATION]

3198
02:16:46,959 --> 02:16:50,570
All right, let's bring it back to order.

3199
02:16:50,570 --> 02:16:53,690
Priscilla's not here, so now, she can't--

3200
02:16:53,690 --> 02:16:54,430
Can't what?

3201
02:16:54,430 --> 02:16:54,950
We can't.

3202
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:56,590
She's not here.

3203
02:16:56,590 --> 02:16:56,809
Where's Priscilla?

3204
02:16:56,809 --> 02:16:57,750
Where's Priscilla?

3205
02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:58,490
It's on.

3206
02:16:58,490 --> 02:16:59,823
Yeah, but I need you to do the--

3207
02:16:59,823 --> 02:17:02,330
Can't get the words off the screen.

3208
02:17:02,330 --> 02:17:04,969
And put up a PowerPoint.

3209
02:17:04,969 --> 02:17:06,969
Oh, yes.

3210
02:17:07,530 --> 02:17:08,370
OK.

3211
02:17:08,370 --> 02:17:10,330
Has everybody thought they would leave?

3212
02:17:10,330 --> 02:17:12,330
[INAUDIBLE] Everyone left.

3213
02:17:12,330 --> 02:17:13,350
OK.

3214
02:17:13,350 --> 02:17:15,825
Because it's everybody's favorite thing.

3215
02:17:15,825 --> 02:17:16,950
The only reason we're here.

3216
02:17:16,950 --> 02:17:17,389
We're back.

3217
02:17:17,389 --> 02:17:17,889
But nobody--

3218
02:17:17,889 --> 02:17:19,129
Yeah, I guess we're back.

3219
02:17:19,129 --> 02:17:20,290
All right.

3220
02:17:20,290 --> 02:17:22,530
So here we go.

3221
02:17:22,530 --> 02:17:24,530
Budget.

3222
02:17:25,900 --> 02:17:29,370
As always, in July, I'm tasked by the charter

3223
02:17:29,370 --> 02:17:34,850
to present a proposed budget for council and a proposed

3224
02:17:34,850 --> 02:17:37,850
five-year capital plan improvement program.

3225
02:17:38,570 --> 02:17:41,490
So we'll go through our presentation.

3226
02:17:41,490 --> 02:17:46,490
Tonight, you are charged with setting the tentative millage

3227
02:17:46,490 --> 02:17:48,490
rate.

3228
02:17:49,139 --> 02:17:53,340
But once a tentative millage rate is established or set,

3229
02:17:53,340 --> 02:17:56,660
then notices are sent of the tentative millage rate

3230
02:17:56,660 --> 02:17:59,600
to all the residents.

3231
02:17:59,420 --> 02:18:02,740
Just to remind council, whatever we decide to do

3232
02:18:02,740 --> 02:18:04,840
is what is set out in the notice.

3233
02:18:04,840 --> 02:18:09,100
If in the future, council wanted to change it and increase

3234
02:18:09,100 --> 02:18:11,480
that tentative rate to a higher rate,

3235
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:13,240
we would just have to renotice it again,

3236
02:18:13,240 --> 02:18:15,299
but you can do that at any time.

3237
02:18:15,299 --> 02:18:17,439
So why set that rate in the first place?

3238
02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:18,272
If we could change--

3239
02:18:18,272 --> 02:18:19,860
It's just the way the law requires

3240
02:18:19,860 --> 02:18:21,620
us to do a tentative rate, so that they

3241
02:18:21,620 --> 02:18:24,180
could issue the notices to people

3242
02:18:24,180 --> 02:18:27,180
ahead of our public hearings.

3243
02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:30,680
So you could set the rate at whatever you wanted,

3244
02:18:30,680 --> 02:18:33,340
the maximum rate, the tentative rate.

3245
02:18:33,340 --> 02:18:35,120
And you can change it whenever you want.

3246
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:35,620
Correct.

3247
02:18:35,620 --> 02:18:36,920
You can lower it.

3248
02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:39,260
You can lower it without having to notice.

3249
02:18:39,260 --> 02:18:43,640
But if you go higher, you have to renotice.

3250
02:18:43,640 --> 02:18:44,939
So you can go higher, you just got to notice.

3251
02:18:44,939 --> 02:18:46,220
You just have to renotice.

3252
02:18:46,220 --> 02:18:47,879
Correct.

3253
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:50,740
The renotice is extremely cumbersome.

3254
02:18:50,740 --> 02:18:53,879
And I recommend you just set a maximum rate that

3255
02:18:53,879 --> 02:18:55,639
is the maximum rate.

3256
02:18:55,639 --> 02:18:57,466
Do not set it with the intention of

3257
02:18:57,466 --> 02:18:58,716
Raising-- Of raising it later.

3258
02:18:58,716 --> 02:19:01,116
--further, have the possibility.

3259
02:19:02,660 --> 02:19:03,959
I recommend that.

3260
02:19:03,959 --> 02:19:05,840
Got it.

3261
02:19:05,840 --> 02:19:10,139
I believe in all the years that [INAUDIBLE] has been doing this,

3262
02:19:10,139 --> 02:19:12,600
no one has ever renoticed.

3263
02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:13,280
And none--

3264
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:14,639
Ever, anywhere.

3265
02:19:14,639 --> 02:19:17,139
None of our clients, we've never gone through--

3266
02:19:17,139 --> 02:19:19,680
Including Pinecrest, we've never been renoticed.

3267
02:19:19,680 --> 02:19:20,920
OK.

3268
02:19:20,920 --> 02:19:22,920
First slide, please.

3269
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:28,639
So right now, what is being proposed in the budget message

3270
02:19:28,639 --> 02:19:33,439
is maintaining our millage rate at 2.503, which technically

3271
02:19:34,520 --> 02:19:40,280
is considered a tax increase, although it's not a millage rate

3272
02:19:40,280 --> 02:19:41,719
increase.

3273
02:19:41,719 --> 02:19:46,570
We need four out of five votes to maintain that rate.

3274
02:19:46,570 --> 02:19:47,209
Correct.

3275
02:19:47,209 --> 02:19:47,709
OK.

3276
02:19:47,709 --> 02:19:49,170
So the main--

3277
02:19:49,170 --> 02:19:52,450
At the final hearing, you do not need four votes

3278
02:19:52,450 --> 02:19:54,850
to set a tentative.

3279
02:19:55,301 --> 02:19:57,176
Would be a good idea to go over that tonight.

3280
02:19:57,176 --> 02:20:00,730
We need four votes to adopt a final rate that is in excess

3281
02:20:00,730 --> 02:20:01,990
of your rollback rate.

3282
02:20:01,990 --> 02:20:03,950
The rollback rate, we'll go through that.

3283
02:20:03,950 --> 02:20:05,650
And I'll go over all the logistics

3284
02:20:05,650 --> 02:20:08,100
of what can happen in a slide that

3285
02:20:08,100 --> 02:20:11,100
comes a little later in my presentation.

3286
02:20:11,100 --> 02:20:13,930
But today's vote can be by majority

3287
02:20:13,930 --> 02:20:16,700
for any tentative millage rate.

3288
02:20:16,700 --> 02:20:19,530
And at the first budget hearing, you

3289
02:20:19,530 --> 02:20:22,810
could pass that first preliminary rate,

3290
02:20:22,810 --> 02:20:26,930
regardless of what it is, by simple majority.

3291
02:20:26,930 --> 02:20:32,290
And the final vote, the final adoption will require 4/5

3292
02:20:32,290 --> 02:20:37,570
to exceed the rollback rate by up to 10% and unanimity

3293
02:20:37,570 --> 02:20:40,570
to exceed it more than 10%.

3294
02:20:41,440 --> 02:20:41,940
OK.

3295
02:20:41,940 --> 02:20:43,940
Next slide.

3296
02:20:44,540 --> 02:20:47,700
This is presently where we land.

3297
02:20:47,700 --> 02:20:51,860
In terms of other cities, you'll note

3298
02:20:51,860 --> 02:20:55,500
that you have Sunny Isles, Doral, Aventura, and Bal

3299
02:20:55,500 --> 02:21:00,900
Harbor, which are all very unique in that they

3300
02:21:02,540 --> 02:21:04,200
have different types of zoning.

3301
02:21:04,200 --> 02:21:07,400
They have a lot of multifamily zoning,

3302
02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:10,640
a lot more commercial, big malls,

3303
02:21:10,900 --> 02:21:14,460
which all contributes to their being able to set

3304
02:21:14,460 --> 02:21:16,300
a very low millage rate.

3305
02:21:16,300 --> 02:21:21,940
Then you have Palmetto Bay at 2.35, and then Pinecrest at 2.5.

3306
02:21:21,940 --> 02:21:26,740
The Unincorporated Dade County, last year, was at 1.9.

3307
02:21:27,380 --> 02:21:29,380
Next.

3308
02:21:30,180 --> 02:21:33,780
So what is built into my proposed budget

3309
02:21:33,780 --> 02:21:37,380
is a 7.35% increase in taxable value.

3310
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:43,460
That represented, if we keep the mill rate at 2.503,

3311
02:21:43,460 --> 02:21:46,280
it increases our ad valorem tax revenues

3312
02:21:46,280 --> 02:21:48,280
by roughly $1.3 million.

3313
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:55,560
We also saw increases in permit activity and public works permit

3314
02:21:55,560 --> 02:21:58,560
activity to the tune of 277,000.

3315
02:22:01,560 --> 02:22:03,560
Utility taxes increased 260.

3316
02:22:06,800 --> 02:22:09,240
And then you have several different intergovernmental

3317
02:22:09,240 --> 02:22:13,880
revenues, which we are also expecting to increase slightly.

3318
02:22:13,880 --> 02:22:16,280
Some state revenue at 78,000.

3319
02:22:17,320 --> 02:22:23,320
Police grants and local business taxes are all seeing increases,

3320
02:22:23,820 --> 02:22:29,820
but then we're seeing a decrease of 4,500 in anticipated grants

3321
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:32,860
for Pinecrest Gardens.

3322
02:22:32,860 --> 02:22:35,760
So when we build the budget, we're

3323
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:40,550
only budgeting those grants that we have received awards for.

3324
02:22:40,550 --> 02:22:43,630
We continuously, obviously, apply for other grants.

3325
02:22:43,630 --> 02:22:45,270
We may get additional grant funding,

3326
02:22:45,270 --> 02:22:47,900
but what's actually built into the budget

3327
02:22:47,900 --> 02:22:50,250
are things we already know and have been approved for.

3328
02:22:50,250 --> 02:22:53,770
And then we also have a decrease in alcoholic beverage license

3329
02:22:53,770 --> 02:22:55,770
revenues by of 2000.

3330
02:22:56,490 --> 02:22:59,700
And then we see for charges for service,

3331
02:22:59,700 --> 02:23:02,670
we have an increase of approximately $413,000.

3332
02:23:04,270 --> 02:23:07,500
And those are as a result of revenues

3333
02:23:07,500 --> 02:23:10,610
coming from additional programs at our parks and Pinecrest

3334
02:23:10,610 --> 02:23:14,970
Gardens, as well as an increase in administrative fees

3335
02:23:14,970 --> 02:23:19,900
that we collect out of the stormwater utility fund

3336
02:23:19,900 --> 02:23:23,970
and also transportation fund to offset our administrative costs.

3337
02:23:23,970 --> 02:23:27,190
The following increase are broken down.

3338
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:30,500
Obviously, the 38,000 in parks programs,

3339
02:23:30,500 --> 02:23:33,650
153 in new Pinecrest Gardens program revenues,

3340
02:23:35,820 --> 02:23:38,820
190,000 of additional administrative fees from

3341
02:23:39,540 --> 02:23:43,740
stormwater, $3,008 from CITT, and then additional $5,000 from

3342
02:23:45,460 --> 02:23:49,660
private duty charges, and additional revenues from 911

3343
02:23:52,700 --> 02:23:54,460
public safety charges.

3344
02:23:54,460 --> 02:23:58,140
All that is offset by a slight decrease in community center

3345
02:23:58,140 --> 02:23:59,620
program revenues.

3346
02:23:59,620 --> 02:24:02,900
So the total revenue outlook for next year

3347
02:24:02,900 --> 02:24:07,700
is a year over year total increase of 3.945137.

3348
02:24:10,220 --> 02:24:12,220
Next.

3349
02:24:13,600 --> 02:24:17,200
Again, what I put before council for consideration

3350
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:21,220
is to maintain the millage rate at 2.503.

3351
02:24:21,260 --> 02:24:26,220
The proposed general fund budget includes transfers to other

3352
02:24:26,220 --> 02:24:30,420
funds, but the total general fund budget,

3353
02:24:30,440 --> 02:24:32,840
including transfers, is totaling $44,858,706.

3354
02:24:37,430 --> 02:24:41,300
That is a 8.2% increase in expenditures

3355
02:24:41,230 --> 02:24:43,790
over the current year's revised budget,

3356
02:24:43,790 --> 02:24:46,170
including carryovers and transfers.

3357
02:24:46,170 --> 02:24:48,350
Could you explain that a little bit more detail?

3358
02:24:48,350 --> 02:24:50,350
8.2% increase in expenditures.

3359
02:24:51,710 --> 02:24:55,230
We spent that or were you planning on spending it?

3360
02:24:55,230 --> 02:24:58,900
What is built into the budget--

3361
02:24:58,900 --> 02:24:59,310
The one year proposal.

3362
02:24:59,310 --> 02:25:02,910
The one year proposal increases expenditures

3363
02:25:03,230 --> 02:25:06,830
over this current year's budget by 8.2%.

3364
02:25:06,930 --> 02:25:07,878
And those are--

3365
02:25:07,878 --> 02:25:08,670
But that includes--

3366
02:25:08,670 --> 02:25:10,337
Those are all choices that we're making.

3367
02:25:10,337 --> 02:25:12,570
Those are choices that are built into my budget.

3368
02:25:12,570 --> 02:25:18,250
But that doesn't include just the ambient cost of things.

3369
02:25:18,250 --> 02:25:21,450
That is the ambient cost plus capital projects--

3370
02:25:21,450 --> 02:25:22,490
Plus new projects.

3371
02:25:22,490 --> 02:25:27,470
--which I'll go over in a later slide as well.

3372
02:25:27,470 --> 02:25:31,670
It provides for 2.5% cost of living increases

3373
02:25:31,910 --> 02:25:34,910
for all nonsworn personnel, plus 2.5

3374
02:25:35,890 --> 02:25:38,290
merit for non-union personnel.

3375
02:25:40,500 --> 02:25:41,770
Just wanted to mention, even though we

3376
02:25:41,770 --> 02:25:45,170
have a 2.5 cost of living built into the budget,

3377
02:25:45,170 --> 02:25:49,250
the actual cost of living increase for this region

3378
02:25:49,250 --> 02:25:51,650
was 3.8% year over year.

3379
02:25:52,850 --> 02:25:57,110
So overall, if you add both cost of living and merit,

3380
02:25:57,110 --> 02:26:01,700
you're looking at a 5% increase, the cost of living increase.

3381
02:26:01,700 --> 02:26:05,270
The true CPI for this area was 3.8%.

3382
02:26:05,330 --> 02:26:06,690
Quick question.

3383
02:26:06,690 --> 02:26:09,900
So 8.2 increase in expense.

3384
02:26:09,410 --> 02:26:13,210
In the coming budget, the current millage rate

3385
02:26:13,210 --> 02:26:16,850
that you're proposing, would allow us an 8.2 increase

3386
02:26:16,850 --> 02:26:18,138
in expenditures.

3387
02:26:18,138 --> 02:26:19,430
That would be new expenditures?

3388
02:26:19,430 --> 02:26:20,330
New expenditures.

3389
02:26:20,330 --> 02:26:21,130
Additional--

3390
02:26:21,130 --> 02:26:21,650
Additional.

3391
02:26:21,650 --> 02:26:24,330
--expenditures, beyond last year's or current year's budget.

3392
02:26:24,330 --> 02:26:26,810
So that would give us the option of,

3393
02:26:26,810 --> 02:26:28,630
if we didn't spend that kind of money,

3394
02:26:28,630 --> 02:26:33,340
we could stick that into reserves for potential--

3395
02:26:33,340 --> 02:26:37,640
with this homestead exemption nonsense that's going on.

3396
02:26:37,640 --> 02:26:40,200
In other words, we'd be able to save 8.2%?

3397
02:26:40,200 --> 02:26:43,100
If you don't give any raises to anybody, including the union

3398
02:26:43,100 --> 02:26:45,800
personnel, you would be able to accomplish that.

3399
02:26:45,800 --> 02:26:47,780
So that includes the--

3400
02:26:47,780 --> 02:26:48,380
Everything.

3401
02:26:48,380 --> 02:26:48,980
OK, I got it.

3402
02:26:48,980 --> 02:26:49,660
Correct.

3403
02:26:49,660 --> 02:26:52,200
So that's not strictly capital projects.

3404
02:26:52,200 --> 02:26:52,520
OK.

3405
02:26:52,520 --> 02:26:56,720
[INAUDIBLE] is also at the inflationary cost

3406
02:26:56,900 --> 02:26:58,480
of things this year.

3407
02:26:58,480 --> 02:26:58,980
Yeah.

3408
02:26:58,980 --> 02:26:59,400
Correct.

3409
02:26:59,400 --> 02:26:59,900
Correct.

3410
02:26:59,900 --> 02:27:02,600
It builds in all these different things.

3411
02:27:02,600 --> 02:27:04,600
And we'll go over it, but yes, you're

3412
02:27:04,600 --> 02:27:07,260
dealing with the inflationary costs as well.

3413
02:27:07,260 --> 02:27:10,300
They're already baked into the budget.

3414
02:27:10,300 --> 02:27:12,300
Next.

3415
02:27:13,180 --> 02:27:15,540
For example, the Florida Retirement System,

3416
02:27:15,540 --> 02:27:19,540
which is the pension program for the police department,

3417
02:27:19,540 --> 02:27:21,480
that is outside of local control.

3418
02:27:21,480 --> 02:27:24,660
That's a state set by state legislature, that

3419
02:27:24,660 --> 02:27:26,660
increase from 35.19% to 37.74%.

3420
02:27:30,670 --> 02:27:34,870
The budget includes funds for the schools.

3421
02:27:36,500 --> 02:27:40,710
You know how we always give grants to every school, $5,000.

3422
02:27:40,710 --> 02:27:43,950
It also sets aside funding for the music program

3423
02:27:43,950 --> 02:27:46,170
at the elementary school and middle schools,

3424
02:27:46,170 --> 02:27:49,170
which we've continued to support.

3425
02:27:49,270 --> 02:27:54,270
And it also provides $10,000 for annual grant to the Economic

3426
02:27:54,270 --> 02:27:56,300
Development Council.

3427
02:27:56,300 --> 02:27:58,300
Next.

3428
02:27:58,950 --> 02:28:02,230
When you look at the full effect of the budget,

3429
02:28:02,230 --> 02:28:05,350
the biggest increase in the budget

3430
02:28:05,350 --> 02:28:08,950
was due to the police department.

3431
02:28:08,950 --> 02:28:13,130
So in a general sense, we have different categories,

3432
02:28:13,130 --> 02:28:16,190
we have personnel costs and then operating costs.

3433
02:28:16,190 --> 02:28:20,990
In personnel cost, you saw an increase of $824,370.

3434
02:28:24,230 --> 02:28:29,630
And in total operating cost, we experienced an increase

3435
02:28:29,730 --> 02:28:31,730
of $947,820.

3436
02:28:34,130 --> 02:28:39,410
So the biggest increase across all departments was here.

3437
02:28:39,410 --> 02:28:44,810
The next largest increase happened-- go to the next--

3438
02:28:45,370 --> 02:28:47,590
happens in the Public Works Department.

3439
02:28:47,590 --> 02:28:51,750
Now, the Public Works Department is, relatively speaking,

3440
02:28:51,750 --> 02:28:52,790
a smaller department.

3441
02:28:52,790 --> 02:28:57,590
But because we added an additional position there,

3442
02:28:57,970 --> 02:29:03,970
the other thing we did was increase the starting salaries

3443
02:29:04,100 --> 02:29:07,770
for the maintenance workers, for some of the department

3444
02:29:07,770 --> 02:29:12,610
personnel that came in at a lower starting salary than what

3445
02:29:12,610 --> 02:29:14,290
was recommended in the compensation

3446
02:29:14,290 --> 02:29:19,900
and pay study, benefit study that we completed.

3447
02:29:19,900 --> 02:29:22,890
So total personnel services in that department increased

3448
02:29:22,890 --> 02:29:24,890
$191,779.

3449
02:29:26,180 --> 02:29:28,180
Operating expenses increased $22,775.

3450
02:29:31,780 --> 02:29:33,780
Next.

3451
02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:38,420
So I'm hopeful that you were able to read my budget

3452
02:29:38,420 --> 02:29:41,200
message, which was very detailed,

3453
02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:43,100
and all the things that could happen

3454
02:29:43,100 --> 02:29:47,200
or that are happening, which do impact

3455
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:51,820
our fiscal stability in the future, not least

3456
02:29:54,600 --> 02:29:57,900
of which is obviously, the Property Tax Reform Amendment 3

3457
02:29:57,900 --> 02:29:58,800
consideration.

3458
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:02,520
So when we get into our budget workshops,

3459
02:30:02,520 --> 02:30:06,800
we will present you with a 5-year forecast,

3460
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:07,400
10-year forecast.

3461
02:30:07,400 --> 02:30:10,720
And you'll see that if this were to pass,

3462
02:30:10,720 --> 02:30:12,860
how this is all going to be playing out

3463
02:30:12,860 --> 02:30:15,860
in the next several years?

3464
02:30:17,180 --> 02:30:20,180
Today, we just received information

3465
02:30:20,860 --> 02:30:25,490
that finally, inflation seems to be slowing down,

3466
02:30:25,490 --> 02:30:27,230
so it looks like they are likely going

3467
02:30:27,230 --> 02:30:29,750
to start decreasing interest rates, which

3468
02:30:29,750 --> 02:30:32,870
is a good thing for us.

3469
02:30:32,870 --> 02:30:35,790
Disaster preparedness, some of the stuff that's

3470
02:30:35,790 --> 02:30:40,230
happening on the back end, the federal government

3471
02:30:40,230 --> 02:30:44,590
is revising how it deals with natural disasters.

3472
02:30:44,590 --> 02:30:47,670
They're likely going to be pulling away

3473
02:30:47,670 --> 02:30:50,320
a lot of their present support.

3474
02:30:50,320 --> 02:30:52,700
And it's going to be shifted to the states

3475
02:30:52,700 --> 02:30:53,670
and local governments.

3476
02:30:53,670 --> 02:30:57,230
So the fact that we maintain the $5 million

3477
02:30:57,230 --> 02:30:59,830
set aside for emergencies is a good thing.

3478
02:30:59,830 --> 02:31:04,300
But more and more, it's going to all fall on our shoulders

3479
02:31:04,300 --> 02:31:08,910
to bear if there were a large natural disaster.

3480
02:31:08,910 --> 02:31:11,310
Intergovernmental funding is becoming

3481
02:31:12,350 --> 02:31:13,500
more and more competitive.

3482
02:31:13,500 --> 02:31:15,250
You have grants becoming more competitive.

3483
02:31:15,250 --> 02:31:20,900
You have less grants being dollied out or doled out.

3484
02:31:20,900 --> 02:31:22,720
And then you have other long-term considerations

3485
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:26,540
that are constantly putting pressures on our expenses,

3486
02:31:26,540 --> 02:31:30,320
like rising insurance costs, like our liability insurance

3487
02:31:30,320 --> 02:31:33,320
went up 22% year over year.

3488
02:31:35,680 --> 02:31:38,200
Health insurance costs, obviously, keep going up,

3489
02:31:38,200 --> 02:31:39,540
inflationary pressures.

3490
02:31:39,540 --> 02:31:43,440
All of that just builds to increase our overall cost

3491
02:31:43,440 --> 02:31:45,120
of doing business.

3492
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:47,120
Next.

3493
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:53,760
So this is a snapshot of where we are from an expenditure

3494
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:55,400
standpoint.

3495
02:31:55,400 --> 02:31:58,640
So you'll see, the total increase

3496
02:31:59,720 --> 02:32:04,920
between the current budget year and next year's budget year

3497
02:32:04,920 --> 02:32:06,920
totals $3.4 million.

3498
02:32:10,480 --> 02:32:13,760
Before we do the budget workshop,

3499
02:32:13,760 --> 02:32:15,640
I will be sitting with each of you

3500
02:32:15,640 --> 02:32:20,460
individually to go line by line, both on the revenue side

3501
02:32:20,460 --> 02:32:23,260
and on the expenditure side, to show you

3502
02:32:23,260 --> 02:32:27,100
what the percent difference is between the current year

3503
02:32:27,100 --> 02:32:29,100
and next year.

3504
02:32:29,500 --> 02:32:35,280
But I can tell you, in the police department in particular,

3505
02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:38,980
that one saw the largest increase year over year

3506
02:32:38,980 --> 02:32:41,380
was like a 12% increase.

3507
02:32:41,460 --> 02:32:44,300
And that has really impacted mostly

3508
02:32:44,300 --> 02:32:48,500
because of the new collective bargaining agreement.

3509
02:32:49,660 --> 02:32:51,660
Next.

3510
02:32:52,980 --> 02:32:56,200
So this is the breakdown of the different categories.

3511
02:32:56,200 --> 02:32:59,740
And this is right on target.

3512
02:32:59,740 --> 02:33:03,340
Personnel cost is always around 58% to 60%

3513
02:33:04,460 --> 02:33:09,260
And that's normal for this type of organization.

3514
02:33:12,220 --> 02:33:14,340
The transfers, when you see transfers,

3515
02:33:14,340 --> 02:33:19,140
those are funds that leave the general fund

3516
02:33:19,190 --> 02:33:20,590
and go to other funds.

3517
02:33:20,590 --> 02:33:22,990
And I'll go over those as well.

3518
02:33:22,990 --> 02:33:27,390
But that is also a $6.8 million, but that

3519
02:33:27,390 --> 02:33:31,350
includes the issuance of another bank loan or bond

3520
02:33:31,350 --> 02:33:33,210
to do certain capital projects.

3521
02:33:33,210 --> 02:33:34,830
And I'll go over that as well.

3522
02:33:34,830 --> 02:33:36,830
Next.

3523
02:33:37,390 --> 02:33:43,230
So here's what we've included in the capital project fund.

3524
02:33:43,230 --> 02:33:48,630
Some of these are being funded by my proposed bond issuance.

3525
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:51,950
So I'll go over each item.

3526
02:33:51,950 --> 02:33:56,630
So I'm just going to round. $41,000 for the computer

3527
02:33:56,630 --> 02:34:00,730
upgrades for every department in the village,

3528
02:34:00,730 --> 02:34:03,510
with the exception of police.

3529
02:34:03,510 --> 02:34:05,910
97,000 for virtual environment upgrades.

3530
02:34:07,170 --> 02:34:11,700
Some of these are mandated by the state, by the way.

3531
02:34:11,700 --> 02:34:16,550
A lot of these IT things are now state-mandated security measures

3532
02:34:16,550 --> 02:34:18,400
that we have to implement.

3533
02:34:18,400 --> 02:34:21,700
Data security posture management with NVISIONx,

3534
02:34:21,700 --> 02:34:25,840
which is a certain software that we have to have to comply with

3535
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:27,840
the state mandate, $75,000.

3536
02:34:28,960 --> 02:34:31,780
Police computer hardware replacement-- again,

3537
02:34:31,780 --> 02:34:34,220
just like we, on the nonpolice side,

3538
02:34:34,220 --> 02:34:38,620
have a replacement schedule for all our vehicles and computers,

3539
02:34:38,620 --> 02:34:40,420
so does the police department.

3540
02:34:40,420 --> 02:34:42,420
So $30,250 for that.

3541
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:45,120
Taser replacement, $56,000.

3542
02:34:45,760 --> 02:34:48,760
The vehicle fleet replacement is $531,000.

3543
02:34:50,380 --> 02:34:53,120
And you'll notice that every year,

3544
02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:56,880
now that we have the fleet, it's roughly about half a

3545
02:34:56,880 --> 02:35:00,320
million dollars to keep through that replacement schedule

3546
02:35:00,320 --> 02:35:03,520
that we've set up for the vehicles.

3547
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:08,920
Now, for the bond issuance, we have two projects

3548
02:35:09,360 --> 02:35:13,480
that I've recommended to council as part of the proposed budget.

3549
02:35:13,480 --> 02:35:17,100
One is the Ludlum shared use path,

3550
02:35:17,100 --> 02:35:20,100
for a total of 4.8 million.

3551
02:35:20,100 --> 02:35:26,600
And the other was the balance of Alayda Mas Park for 6.5.

3552
02:35:26,600 --> 02:35:29,600
So the budget number, that 2.503,

3553
02:35:30,420 --> 02:35:35,220
anticipates the issuance of a bond for those two projects.

3554
02:35:35,220 --> 02:35:38,820
Fitness center equipment replacement for roughly $51,000.

3555
02:35:41,460 --> 02:35:44,520
The Pinecrest Gardens Horticultural Master Plan,

3556
02:35:44,520 --> 02:35:49,920
every year, we spend about $150,000 in botanical stuff that

3557
02:35:50,940 --> 02:35:52,980
happens at Pinecrest Gardens.

3558
02:35:52,980 --> 02:35:58,000
We have $130,000 for restoration of the Weldon Carrier Cottage,

3559
02:35:58,000 --> 02:36:03,220
which is one of that little historic cottage that's between

3560
02:36:03,220 --> 02:36:06,580
the community center and Pinecrest Gardens.

3561
02:36:06,580 --> 02:36:10,300
We have equipment replacement at Pinecrest gardens for roughly

3562
02:36:10,300 --> 02:36:11,700
$21,000.

3563
02:36:11,700 --> 02:36:14,700
Cypress Hall AC replacement for $25,000.

3564
02:36:15,430 --> 02:36:21,190
Garden gate access at the rear of the garden for $32,000.

3565
02:36:21,190 --> 02:36:24,790
Playground resurfacing at Pinecrest Gardens for $25,000.

3566
02:36:24,790 --> 02:36:28,150
Automated rigging system for the lighting at Banyan Boat,

3567
02:36:28,150 --> 02:36:29,550
$50,000.

3568
02:36:29,550 --> 02:36:33,150
Acoustic treatments for Cypress Hall for $28,000.

3569
02:36:34,310 --> 02:36:38,590
And digital wireless microphone system for Banyan Boat, $25,000.

3570
02:36:38,590 --> 02:36:42,670
So the total capital projects recommended for next year,

3571
02:36:42,670 --> 02:36:46,650
including Alayda Mas and Ludlum shared use path,

3572
02:36:46,650 --> 02:36:49,650
totals about 12.6 million, roughly, $12.7 million.

3573
02:36:52,190 --> 02:36:53,550
Next.

3574
02:36:53,550 --> 02:36:56,490
The other funds have also some capital projects,

3575
02:36:56,490 --> 02:36:59,810
but those are funded through their own revenue sources.

3576
02:36:59,810 --> 02:37:04,350
So in stormwater utility fund, there's 500,000 set aside

3577
02:37:04,350 --> 02:37:07,350
for Ludlum road drainage improvements.

3578
02:37:07,630 --> 02:37:12,800
And you have a $6 million catch all for stormwater master plan

3579
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:14,380
projects that have already been designed.

3580
02:37:14,380 --> 02:37:16,440
And we're going to just be plowing through

3581
02:37:16,440 --> 02:37:18,840
as we get permits.

3582
02:37:19,400 --> 02:37:23,840
Transportation fund provides for $700,000 for the 62nd Avenue

3583
02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:27,400
sidewalk path construction.

3584
02:37:27,400 --> 02:37:30,720
That $700,000 is also built into that bond issuance that I

3585
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:32,400
recommended.

3586
02:37:32,400 --> 02:37:37,800
And then another $606,000 for 120th Street and 77th Avenue

3587
02:37:38,720 --> 02:37:40,720
intersection improvements.

3588
02:37:41,320 --> 02:37:46,720
That's the money that we received from Bet Shira.

3589
02:37:47,960 --> 02:37:52,760
CITT fund were recommended $800,000 for Kendall and Ludlam

3590
02:37:54,420 --> 02:37:56,420
intersection improvements, 1.1, roughly,

3591
02:37:59,880 --> 02:38:04,680
for village-wide construction and maintenance of the roadways.

3592
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:10,100
And then Ludlam road resurfacing the second year

3593
02:38:10,100 --> 02:38:12,850
allocation, which is another million dollars.

3594
02:38:12,850 --> 02:38:16,930
So you'll recall that we've budgeted, in the current year,

3595
02:38:16,930 --> 02:38:19,750
a certain amount of money for road resurfacing of Ludlam.

3596
02:38:19,750 --> 02:38:22,870
We applied for federal grants, but we didn't get them.

3597
02:38:22,870 --> 02:38:25,890
So we have to come up with the balance for that road

3598
02:38:25,890 --> 02:38:27,450
resurfacing project.

3599
02:38:27,450 --> 02:38:32,530
So the CITT would have a total of $2.9, almost $3 million

3600
02:38:32,530 --> 02:38:34,410
for those improvements.

3601
02:38:34,410 --> 02:38:36,770
And then finally, the impact fee fund,

3602
02:38:36,770 --> 02:38:39,330
where we take impact fees that we collect.

3603
02:38:39,330 --> 02:38:41,100
And you have to spend them specifically

3604
02:38:41,100 --> 02:38:42,830
for certain purposes.

3605
02:38:42,830 --> 02:38:46,490
We have the stormwater master plan projects, $120,000.

3606
02:38:46,490 --> 02:38:48,490
Artificial intelligence prophecy, $20,000.

3607
02:38:49,470 --> 02:38:52,850
And the Thor Guard lightning protection system for parks,

3608
02:38:52,850 --> 02:38:54,850
$77,840.

3609
02:38:56,890 --> 02:39:00,410
Just for clarification, for all the folks in the audience

3610
02:39:00,410 --> 02:39:03,900
or listening from home, these different funds

3611
02:39:03,900 --> 02:39:05,230
have their own revenue sources.

3612
02:39:05,230 --> 02:39:10,870
These are not necessarily tied to any ad valorem revenue

3613
02:39:10,870 --> 02:39:12,230
sources.

3614
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:14,230
Next.

3615
02:39:14,630 --> 02:39:18,830
This is how the proposed millage would

3616
02:39:18,870 --> 02:39:24,270
look to an average homeowner, which has a 1.379 thousand

3617
02:39:27,590 --> 02:39:29,210
taxable value on their home.

3618
02:39:29,210 --> 02:39:36,410
They would be paying $3,281 a year if they pay early and they

3619
02:39:37,790 --> 02:39:40,790
get the pay early discount.

3620
02:39:40,950 --> 02:39:42,790
Next.

3621
02:39:42,790 --> 02:39:45,870
So going to the mayor's question about,

3622
02:39:45,870 --> 02:39:48,630
what votes are necessary for what?

3623
02:39:48,630 --> 02:39:52,230
So the current rollback rate is 2.3674.

3624
02:39:55,550 --> 02:39:59,150
So to go anywhere beyond the 2.3674,

3625
02:40:01,110 --> 02:40:04,710
you need to have four votes.

3626
02:40:05,680 --> 02:40:10,480
To create with a four to one vote,

3627
02:40:10,660 --> 02:40:16,600
the highest council can go is a 2.6041 mill rate.

3628
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:24,520
And you can go beyond that with a unanimous 5-0 vote.

3629
02:40:24,520 --> 02:40:28,720
For every $0.10 of mill, it represents about $843,700

3630
02:40:31,760 --> 02:40:33,760
of revenue.

3631
02:40:34,120 --> 02:40:36,700
Are there any questions on this specifically?

3632
02:40:36,700 --> 02:40:38,760
Because I know this was one of the things,

3633
02:40:38,760 --> 02:40:43,400
when you talk about setting tentative millage rates,

3634
02:40:43,400 --> 02:40:47,240
anything beyond the 2.3674 requires minimum four votes.

3635
02:40:49,200 --> 02:40:51,320
That slide doesn't say this, does it?

3636
02:40:51,320 --> 02:40:53,120
Yes, that's what it says.

3637
02:40:53,120 --> 02:40:54,640
So

3638
02:40:54,640 --> 02:40:58,100
To go to 2.503, which is our current rate--

3639
02:40:58,100 --> 02:40:59,400
You need four votes.

3640
02:40:59,400 --> 02:40:59,540
Four votes.

3641
02:40:59,540 --> 02:41:03,740
Anything above 2.3674, you need four votes minimum.

3642
02:41:05,630 --> 02:41:11,630
If you go beyond the 2.6041, you need unanimous, five votes.

3643
02:41:12,170 --> 02:41:14,970
So to clarify, though, at this meeting

3644
02:41:14,970 --> 02:41:19,670
today, we'll vote on a preliminary millage rate.

3645
02:41:19,670 --> 02:41:23,310
And for that to pass, we just need a simple majority.

3646
02:41:23,310 --> 02:41:26,490
We don't need, say, I'm just going

3647
02:41:26,490 --> 02:41:28,810
to-- an illustrative example.

3648
02:41:28,810 --> 02:41:31,430
Imagine, today, we said we will vote.

3649
02:41:31,430 --> 02:41:34,350
Somebody makes a motion for 2.53,

3650
02:41:34,350 --> 02:41:36,690
the current military right.

3651
02:41:36,690 --> 02:41:42,410
And then that motion gets the support of three votes today,

3652
02:41:42,410 --> 02:41:44,150
then it passes.

3653
02:41:44,150 --> 02:41:47,110
And then that becomes the preliminary millage rate.

3654
02:41:47,110 --> 02:41:49,100
The tentative.

3655
02:41:49,100 --> 02:41:50,300
Yeah, the tentative.

3656
02:41:50,300 --> 02:41:50,930
Exactly.

3657
02:41:50,930 --> 02:41:54,970
But then for the final military to become the law, basically,

3658
02:41:54,970 --> 02:41:58,510
at Pinecrest, you would need four votes to rectify that.

3659
02:41:58,510 --> 02:41:59,230
Correct.

3660
02:41:59,230 --> 02:42:00,490
Well it has to be.

3661
02:42:00,490 --> 02:42:02,210
It's unclear.

3662
02:42:02,210 --> 02:42:03,550
One of us is a little--

3663
02:42:03,550 --> 02:42:05,950
All right, what's 2/3 of 5?

3664
02:42:06,500 --> 02:42:07,270
4.

3665
02:42:07,270 --> 02:42:09,230
OK.

3666
02:42:09,230 --> 02:42:13,110
Yeah, that column, it's not as clear as it--

3667
02:42:13,110 --> 02:42:15,550
It's the way the law reads.

3668
02:42:15,550 --> 02:42:18,370
But in our case, yeah, it talks in these terms,

3669
02:42:18,370 --> 02:42:21,230
because if you had a bigger council, you wouldn't need.

3670
02:42:21,230 --> 02:42:23,230
So that's why.

3671
02:42:23,870 --> 02:42:24,790
Right.

3672
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:25,290
is.

3673
02:42:25,290 --> 02:42:27,170
This reflects what the law says.

3674
02:42:27,170 --> 02:42:28,680
But 2/3 in our case--

3675
02:42:28,680 --> 02:42:30,930
How many councils have even numbers of people on them?

3676
02:42:30,930 --> 02:42:31,430
None?

3677
02:42:31,430 --> 02:42:32,270
None.

3678
02:42:32,270 --> 02:42:35,470
It's usually seven or nine member councils.

3679
02:42:35,470 --> 02:42:38,850
But you don't need unanimous vote, in other words.

3680
02:42:38,850 --> 02:42:39,830
Or you--

3681
02:42:39,830 --> 02:42:45,170
Well, this law applies to the County Commission, which has 13,

3682
02:42:45,170 --> 02:42:47,170
some counties have 9.

3683
02:42:47,190 --> 02:42:49,390
The City of Miami Beach has seven.

3684
02:42:49,390 --> 02:42:50,695
So it just depends.

3685
02:42:50,695 --> 02:42:51,570
Each not indivisible.

3686
02:42:51,570 --> 02:42:56,370
But for our purposes to go beyond the 2.6041,

3687
02:42:56,610 --> 02:42:58,550
you would need unanimous vote.

3688
02:42:58,550 --> 02:42:59,470
OK.

3689
02:42:59,470 --> 02:42:59,990
Got it.

3690
02:42:59,990 --> 02:43:00,840
Ultimately.

3691
02:43:00,840 --> 02:43:02,280
Not tonight, ultimate.

3692
02:43:02,280 --> 02:43:02,780
OK.

3693
02:43:02,780 --> 02:43:03,360
Next.

3694
02:43:03,360 --> 02:43:04,680
But what's the point?

3695
02:43:04,680 --> 02:43:06,880
This is what our general fund balance trends

3696
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:09,240
look like over the years.

3697
02:43:09,240 --> 02:43:15,240
So this proposed budget provides for a surplus of approximately,

3698
02:43:17,320 --> 02:43:21,400
I want to say, 348,000, roughly, dollars surplus at the end

3699
02:43:21,400 --> 02:43:22,480
of the year.

3700
02:43:22,480 --> 02:43:24,480
Next.

3701
02:43:25,480 --> 02:43:30,280
This just gives you the general fund revenue and expenditure

3702
02:43:30,280 --> 02:43:33,840
trends over the years since our incorporation.

3703
02:43:33,840 --> 02:43:37,480
And where you see the little triangles, those were really,

3704
02:43:37,480 --> 02:43:41,680
I guess, milestone moments that ultimately affected

3705
02:43:42,400 --> 02:43:45,400
the trajectory of our expenditures,

3706
02:43:45,820 --> 02:43:50,960
because we did some purchasing of parks and some large scale

3707
02:43:50,960 --> 02:43:54,320
changes when we did the collective bargaining

3708
02:43:54,320 --> 02:43:57,240
agreements like that when we put in take-home vehicles.

3709
02:43:57,240 --> 02:43:59,570
So those are pretty significant enough

3710
02:43:59,570 --> 02:44:02,610
that I wanted to mention it, because it

3711
02:44:02,610 --> 02:44:06,590
sets a new normal for the level of our expenditure trend.

3712
02:44:06,590 --> 02:44:08,590
Next.

3713
02:44:08,730 --> 02:44:13,370
This shows you the difference between what we normally budget

3714
02:44:13,370 --> 02:44:16,370
and what was actually spent.

3715
02:44:16,370 --> 02:44:20,670
So you'll notice that in the beginning of our existence,

3716
02:44:20,670 --> 02:44:25,665
the first 10 years, what we budgeted and what we spent,

3717
02:44:25,665 --> 02:44:26,790
there was a big difference.

3718
02:44:26,790 --> 02:44:28,450
There was a lot of savings.

3719
02:44:28,450 --> 02:44:35,500
But from 2009 to present, there isn't a lot of wiggle room.

3720
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:38,990
We're working within 5% to 0% difference

3721
02:44:39,890 --> 02:44:43,900
between what we budget and what we actually spent.

3722
02:44:43,900 --> 02:44:46,690
'22, '23, the difference was because that

3723
02:44:46,970 --> 02:44:49,590
was the collective bargaining agreement that we did,

3724
02:44:49,590 --> 02:44:51,990
and that went gangbusters.

3725
02:44:52,300 --> 02:44:55,900
So the difference between what we budgeted and actually spent

3726
02:44:55,900 --> 02:44:56,300
was a big difference.

3727
02:44:56,300 --> 02:44:57,500
So that's an outlier.

3728
02:44:57,500 --> 02:45:02,180
But if you look otherwise, we don't have a lot of wiggle room.

3729
02:45:02,180 --> 02:45:03,940
That's what basically this is showing,

3730
02:45:03,940 --> 02:45:10,100
that we don't have a lot of fat in our budget numbers.

3731
02:45:10,100 --> 02:45:12,600
Next.

3732
02:45:12,600 --> 02:45:15,980
This is the trend of how many capital projects, what we

3733
02:45:15,980 --> 02:45:20,200
spend on any given year over the years in capital projects.

3734
02:45:20,200 --> 02:45:25,000
So over the years, obviously, the big spikes

3735
02:45:25,500 --> 02:45:29,340
in the last 10 years has to do with the acquisitions

3736
02:45:29,340 --> 02:45:31,220
of those parks.

3737
02:45:31,220 --> 02:45:33,140
Next.

3738
02:45:33,140 --> 02:45:35,260
And this is what our general fund reserve

3739
02:45:35,260 --> 02:45:40,940
looks like versus our set aside for-- we have the hurricane set

3740
02:45:40,940 --> 02:45:42,820
aside of five million.

3741
02:45:42,820 --> 02:45:47,760
And then we also have set aside 10% of our budget for reserves.

3742
02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:49,660
So that's what that's looking like.

3743
02:45:49,660 --> 02:45:53,860
So we are above the bare minimum,

3744
02:45:54,700 --> 02:45:57,800
which is where the red line and the yellow little dot

3745
02:45:57,800 --> 02:46:00,800
is on that last column.

3746
02:46:03,320 --> 02:46:05,320
Next.

3747
02:46:05,800 --> 02:46:07,383
Next.

3748
02:46:07,383 --> 02:46:08,800
And this is the final slide, which

3749
02:46:08,800 --> 02:46:13,600
shows how we compare to other taxing jurisdictions.

3750
02:46:14,840 --> 02:46:17,800
So obviously, the school board and Miami-Dade County

3751
02:46:17,800 --> 02:46:19,680
have the bigger chunks.

3752
02:46:19,680 --> 02:46:23,220
And then Pinecrest is the green on the bottom.

3753
02:46:23,220 --> 02:46:26,820
And Miami-Dade Fire Rescue is at 2.3965,

3754
02:46:27,900 --> 02:46:31,920
or at least it was last year.

3755
02:46:31,920 --> 02:46:37,320
And that pretty much sums up the budget presentation

3756
02:46:38,200 --> 02:46:39,180
for you guys.

3757
02:46:39,180 --> 02:46:41,000
Obviously, we'll have more discussion

3758
02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:42,380
when we get into workshops.

3759
02:46:42,380 --> 02:46:45,440
So the question now is, what do you

3760
02:46:45,440 --> 02:46:49,400
want to set the tentative millage at?

3761
02:46:49,400 --> 02:46:52,180
I've had individual discussions with some of you,

3762
02:46:52,180 --> 02:46:57,570
not all of you, about the concept of whether or not

3763
02:46:57,570 --> 02:47:00,970
to go with my recommendation or whether you want to consider

3764
02:47:00,970 --> 02:47:03,490
going a little higher so that you have flexibility

3765
02:47:03,490 --> 02:47:07,690
when you get into budget workshop discussions.

3766
02:47:08,410 --> 02:47:11,827
Obviously, my recommendation is only that there

3767
02:47:11,827 --> 02:47:13,410
may be other things-- there are things

3768
02:47:13,410 --> 02:47:18,330
that did not make it into budget that you may want to consider.

3769
02:47:18,330 --> 02:47:21,930
So that's up to you guys.

3770
02:47:23,170 --> 02:47:25,130
One last thing I do want to mention.

3771
02:47:25,130 --> 02:47:30,530
We have the real possibility that the property tax

3772
02:47:31,450 --> 02:47:33,700
reform will happen.

3773
02:47:33,700 --> 02:47:38,470
The effect for us on finances is pretty significant.

3774
02:47:38,810 --> 02:47:41,950
Over two years, the first two years of implementation,

3775
02:47:41,950 --> 02:47:46,210
that will be a $4.5 million hit to our budget.

3776
02:47:46,210 --> 02:47:48,690
And there's no way for us to absorb that,

3777
02:47:48,690 --> 02:47:52,600
unless you start literally laying off people and closing

3778
02:47:52,600 --> 02:47:53,220
departments.

3779
02:47:53,220 --> 02:47:56,820
It's not something that our growth, at the rates that we're

3780
02:47:56,820 --> 02:47:59,440
growing now, year over year from a taxable value,

3781
02:47:59,440 --> 02:48:01,200
is not going to be able to absorb that.

3782
02:48:01,200 --> 02:48:04,420
We may be able to absorb the first year, the 1.5,

3783
02:48:04,420 --> 02:48:06,160
depending on how the numbers pan out,

3784
02:48:06,160 --> 02:48:08,801
but we definitely will not be able to do the 1.5 one

3785
02:48:08,801 --> 02:48:11,930
year and then another three million the following year.

3786
02:48:11,930 --> 02:48:12,635
So you're saying that if that passes,

3787
02:48:12,635 --> 02:48:16,200
we're into an austerity mode where we'd be laying off staff.

3788
02:48:16,200 --> 02:48:18,560
You will either have to lay off staff or increase taxes,

3789
02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:20,380
there's no question.

3790
02:48:20,380 --> 02:48:22,353
There's only those two options.

3791
02:48:22,353 --> 02:48:24,200
And I know we've talked about this some,

3792
02:48:24,200 --> 02:48:26,260
but is that with or without-- that's

3793
02:48:26,260 --> 02:48:29,260
as it currently stands now.

3794
02:48:29,580 --> 02:48:32,660
Those numbers are based on if the Amendment, as it's currently

3795
02:48:32,660 --> 02:48:33,680
written, passes.

3796
02:48:33,680 --> 02:48:34,500
Correct?

3797
02:48:34,500 --> 02:48:38,000
Because just to make this even more fun,

3798
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:40,400
there's a more dire scenario that's very realistic,

3799
02:48:40,400 --> 02:48:42,550
which is if this passes.

3800
02:48:42,550 --> 02:48:43,680
Well, the order would be this follows--

3801
02:48:43,680 --> 02:48:47,220
the Supreme Court could very well declare that the five

3802
02:48:47,220 --> 02:48:51,320
year waiting period for new residents to Florida

3803
02:48:51,320 --> 02:48:54,320
is unconstitutional, because it is.

3804
02:48:55,380 --> 02:49:00,360
So if that is stricken, that means that we wouldn't even

3805
02:49:00,360 --> 02:49:01,122
have any--

3806
02:49:01,122 --> 02:49:02,580
right now, as it currently planned,

3807
02:49:02,580 --> 02:49:04,747
it would count on revenue for those first five years

3808
02:49:04,747 --> 02:49:05,800
from new residents.

3809
02:49:05,800 --> 02:49:08,180
Residents who just moved into Pinecrest

3810
02:49:08,180 --> 02:49:10,600
would be paying full taxes, which is substantial.

3811
02:49:10,600 --> 02:49:11,477
We have a lot of people coming in.

3812
02:49:11,477 --> 02:49:14,160
If that's stricken, we lose that money, too.

3813
02:49:14,160 --> 02:49:17,420
And so again, even though people are running from it,

3814
02:49:17,420 --> 02:49:19,480
there's a good chance it passes.

3815
02:49:19,480 --> 02:49:21,660
It's that austere, but possibly more so.

3816
02:49:21,660 --> 02:49:24,960
So when I did the budget--

3817
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:27,500
I tend to budget conservatively.

3818
02:49:27,500 --> 02:49:30,400
And we have historically tried to maintain the millage rate

3819
02:49:30,400 --> 02:49:34,240
at a certain level for multiple years in a row.

3820
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:38,660
It's just the perfect storm, as my budget message mentions.

3821
02:49:38,660 --> 02:49:41,660
We purchased two new parks.

3822
02:49:43,000 --> 02:49:47,440
We gave substantial increases to the police department.

3823
02:49:47,440 --> 02:49:51,100
And all that is happening at the same time

3824
02:49:51,100 --> 02:49:56,410
that this may now push down our revenue sources.

3825
02:49:58,710 --> 02:50:01,710
We don't have huge populations.

3826
02:50:02,370 --> 02:50:04,970
So all the population-based formulas

3827
02:50:04,970 --> 02:50:08,170
are decreasing for us, all the revenues that

3828
02:50:08,170 --> 02:50:12,570
are population-based formulas, because other areas are growing

3829
02:50:12,570 --> 02:50:14,950
in population, so they suck up.

3830
02:50:14,950 --> 02:50:18,100
And so our portfolio of revenue sources

3831
02:50:18,100 --> 02:50:21,100
is very limited because seven--

3832
02:50:21,730 --> 02:50:25,330
let me see, 58% of our revenues--

3833
02:50:29,100 --> 02:50:34,330
rather, 48% of our revenues come from ad valorem taxes.

3834
02:50:34,330 --> 02:50:35,810
So that's a big chunk.

3835
02:50:35,810 --> 02:50:37,730
So anything that happens to ad valorem

3836
02:50:37,730 --> 02:50:40,810
is going to have a ripple effect, because we don't have

3837
02:50:40,810 --> 02:50:44,690
a lot of other revenue sources, and those that we

3838
02:50:44,690 --> 02:50:49,490
do have tend to be, historically, decreasing trend.

3839
02:50:50,860 --> 02:50:54,300
So we do get a lot from franchise fees,

3840
02:50:54,300 --> 02:50:57,900
which is good, because that diversified our portfolio.

3841
02:50:57,900 --> 02:51:03,900
But ultimately, there is no way to absorb 3 million plus 1.5

3842
02:51:04,810 --> 02:51:06,810
in two years.

3843
02:51:08,180 --> 02:51:09,620
There's no way.

3844
02:51:09,620 --> 02:51:13,100
It looks like we're between the old rock and a hard place here.

3845
02:51:13,100 --> 02:51:17,740
We've got a legislature that passed this rollback

3846
02:51:17,740 --> 02:51:19,460
or elimination of homestead exemption

3847
02:51:19,460 --> 02:51:22,682
in one day, no consideration whatsoever.

3848
02:51:22,682 --> 02:51:24,640
And then, of course, they throw the ball at us.

3849
02:51:24,640 --> 02:51:29,960
So it seems we could keep the millage rate of 2.503,

3850
02:51:29,960 --> 02:51:33,280
which was last year, and hope for the best--

3851
02:51:33,280 --> 02:51:34,340
Hope for the best.

3852
02:51:34,340 --> 02:51:39,140
--or we can raise it to 26041 and say,

3853
02:51:39,440 --> 02:51:41,500
because these yo-yos in Tallahassee

3854
02:51:41,500 --> 02:51:43,780
did this without any consideration,

3855
02:51:43,780 --> 02:51:46,430
so we're going to have to raise our millage rates

3856
02:51:46,430 --> 02:51:49,830
for the coming year, in effect, to as

3857
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:52,830
a semi-insurance that we're going

3858
02:51:53,510 --> 02:51:56,690
to have some revenue if this thing passes.

3859
02:51:56,690 --> 02:51:59,210
Now, if it doesn't pass, we could say,

3860
02:51:59,210 --> 02:52:02,230
if we raise it to 26041, if it doesn't pass,

3861
02:52:02,230 --> 02:52:05,190
well then we'll reduce it next year.

3862
02:52:05,190 --> 02:52:05,850
It's timing.

3863
02:52:05,850 --> 02:52:09,130
It's up to council, because I'm optimistic.

3864
02:52:09,130 --> 02:52:12,190
I've always said, things may happen

3865
02:52:12,190 --> 02:52:14,590
that all of a sudden, interest rates go down,

3866
02:52:14,590 --> 02:52:16,210
and people start constructing.

3867
02:52:16,210 --> 02:52:18,270
And we have gangbusters in Pinecrest

3868
02:52:18,270 --> 02:52:20,870
again, where we're increasing our taxable value

3869
02:52:20,870 --> 02:52:22,870
by double digits.

3870
02:52:22,870 --> 02:52:24,370
That's not happening now.

3871
02:52:24,370 --> 02:52:25,910
But at one point, it did.

3872
02:52:25,910 --> 02:52:28,330
And maybe the stars align.

3873
02:52:28,330 --> 02:52:33,700
But the question is, do we do things proactively or of wait

3874
02:52:33,700 --> 02:52:34,270
and see?

3875
02:52:34,270 --> 02:52:39,590
My in the budget, what I recommended was wait and see.

3876
02:52:39,590 --> 02:52:41,610
But council may not want to wait and see,

3877
02:52:41,610 --> 02:52:43,630
you may want to be more proactive.

3878
02:52:43,630 --> 02:52:46,210
And I think that if you give yourselves a little wiggle

3879
02:52:46,210 --> 02:52:48,700
room in your tentative millage rate,

3880
02:52:48,700 --> 02:52:51,130
you can have those discussions more robustly

3881
02:52:51,130 --> 02:52:54,753
during the budget hearings-- budget workshops, rather.

3882
02:52:54,753 --> 02:52:57,170
Well, really, I mean, that conversation is not necessarily

3883
02:52:57,170 --> 02:52:58,690
about this year, but it's like, how

3884
02:52:58,690 --> 02:53:02,450
do you generate new revenue sources or additional revenue

3885
02:53:02,450 --> 02:53:03,450
in the future?

3886
02:53:03,450 --> 02:53:05,850
We only have 6,000 homes.

3887
02:53:06,450 --> 02:53:08,900
There's only so much you can do, but--

3888
02:53:08,900 --> 02:53:09,490
We need more than 6,000 homes if they're going to survive off--

3889
02:53:09,490 --> 02:53:11,130
But even if you were to do something--

3890
02:53:11,130 --> 02:53:11,922
--ad valores taxes.

3891
02:53:11,922 --> 02:53:14,800
--with density, that takes 10 years from now.

3892
02:53:14,800 --> 02:53:15,550
Those things are--

3893
02:53:15,550 --> 02:53:17,290
You're only making density changes.

3894
02:53:17,290 --> 02:53:19,950
The last changes we made still haven't gotten anybody to bite.

3895
02:53:19,950 --> 02:53:25,350
In fact, we're losing power on the US1 quarter.

3896
02:53:26,210 --> 02:53:28,550
I mean, it's almost like it's going out of business.

3897
02:53:28,550 --> 02:53:31,830
But if folks want to keep this the residential character,

3898
02:53:31,830 --> 02:53:33,970
then they got to understand that they're going

3899
02:53:33,970 --> 02:53:35,310
to be the ones getting the hit.

3900
02:53:35,310 --> 02:53:35,977
That's not true.

3901
02:53:35,977 --> 02:53:38,890
I mean, you could do a lot on US1

3902
02:53:38,890 --> 02:53:41,540
and not impact one ounce of the residential character

3903
02:53:41,540 --> 02:53:44,540
of the interior of Pinecrest.

3904
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:48,700
The concept of all the US1 vision

3905
02:53:48,700 --> 02:53:52,180
plans that we've done, dating all the way back

3906
02:53:52,180 --> 02:53:56,980
to the beginning, never had commercial intrusion outside

3907
02:53:57,955 --> 02:53:59,800
of the commercial corridor.

3908
02:53:59,800 --> 02:54:00,960
It never intruded into the residential area.

3909
02:54:00,960 --> 02:54:03,180
In fact, what we've done is pushed the residential

3910
02:54:03,180 --> 02:54:05,960
into the commercial corridor, not the opposite way around.

3911
02:54:05,960 --> 02:54:10,820
So that's a fallacy that any that reconsidering land use

3912
02:54:10,820 --> 02:54:13,260
and zoning on the US1 corridor impacts

3913
02:54:13,260 --> 02:54:15,640
the residential character of Pinecrest neighborhood.

3914
02:54:15,640 --> 02:54:18,780
It's just not true, never has, never will.

3915
02:54:18,780 --> 02:54:19,860
You could put--

3916
02:54:19,860 --> 02:54:20,900
I agree with you.

3917
02:54:20,900 --> 02:54:23,740
--giant things out there and not impact

3918
02:54:23,740 --> 02:54:28,540
the nature of the residential quality of life.

3919
02:54:28,660 --> 02:54:34,140
And the proof of that is that story that I told with the folks

3920
02:54:34,140 --> 02:54:37,700
that developed the half acre property literally in the shadow

3921
02:54:37,700 --> 02:54:41,100
of Dadeland and took a half acre property,

3922
02:54:41,100 --> 02:54:45,670
put 7,500 square foot home on it, sold it for $7 million.

3923
02:54:45,670 --> 02:54:48,670
Doesn't degrade the property values.

3924
02:54:49,110 --> 02:54:51,910
Literally in the shadow of Dadeland station.

3925
02:54:51,910 --> 02:54:54,330
And it actually increases the property values,

3926
02:54:54,330 --> 02:54:55,910
which is the national trend.

3927
02:54:55,910 --> 02:54:57,102
So that's a fallacy.

3928
02:54:57,102 --> 02:54:58,810
I know some people will disagree with it,

3929
02:54:58,810 --> 02:55:00,650
but they're going through attrition.

3930
02:55:00,650 --> 02:55:02,190
The new person in Pinecrest wants

3931
02:55:02,190 --> 02:55:04,910
to see quality redevelopment on the US1.

3932
02:55:04,910 --> 02:55:06,300
I don't disagree.

3933
02:55:06,300 --> 02:55:09,450
The issue is, that's a longer term approach.

3934
02:55:09,450 --> 02:55:11,790
I think the more immediate issues

3935
02:55:11,790 --> 02:55:13,650
are what we would have to tackle,

3936
02:55:13,650 --> 02:55:15,790
whether to do it now or later.

3937
02:55:15,790 --> 02:55:17,610
Like, how do you want to go forward?

3938
02:55:17,610 --> 02:55:20,790
And I think that's why, from a tentative millage rate

3939
02:55:20,790 --> 02:55:24,700
perspective, when I reached out to some of you and spoke to you,

3940
02:55:24,700 --> 02:55:27,655
I had suggested that you consider going a little higher.

3941
02:55:27,655 --> 02:55:28,530
But that's up to you.

3942
02:55:28,530 --> 02:55:30,590
I know it's not typical what you do, but--

3943
02:55:30,590 --> 02:55:31,943
Should we move on to tab 13.

3944
02:55:31,943 --> 02:55:33,610
That, I guess, is what you're asking us.

3945
02:55:33,610 --> 02:55:34,910
Do you want to read that?

3946
02:55:34,910 --> 02:55:39,770
Mayor, just reflect a little bit on the conversation and also

3947
02:55:39,770 --> 02:55:43,900
the document that the manager shared with us.

3948
02:55:43,900 --> 02:55:45,870
And I think all of us know, I mean,

3949
02:55:45,870 --> 02:55:48,730
this is the busiest time of the year, maybe, for our staff

3950
02:55:48,730 --> 02:55:50,440
when it comes to planning.

3951
02:55:50,440 --> 02:55:52,190
There's a lot of work that goes into this.

3952
02:55:52,190 --> 02:55:53,970
So first of all, I wanted to acknowledge that and thank

3953
02:55:53,970 --> 02:55:56,250
the manager and the staff for the great work that

3954
02:55:56,250 --> 02:55:58,250
always takes place.

3955
02:55:59,570 --> 02:56:03,690
I want to piggyback a little bit on what the mayor said.

3956
02:56:03,690 --> 02:56:07,500
The conversation about diversifying our revenue base

3957
02:56:07,500 --> 02:56:10,370
and reducing our reliance on ad valorem taxes

3958
02:56:10,370 --> 02:56:16,500
is a conversation that we've been having for a while.

3959
02:56:16,500 --> 02:56:19,730
And understanding that it is something that will not

3960
02:56:19,730 --> 02:56:22,810
fix the short term, but rather, would

3961
02:56:22,810 --> 02:56:26,850
be a process that would have long-term impact

3962
02:56:26,850 --> 02:56:30,450
on our financials for the village.

3963
02:56:31,900 --> 02:56:33,770
It needs to be, however, a process that at some point,

3964
02:56:33,770 --> 02:56:35,770
begins.

3965
02:56:36,100 --> 02:56:38,780
And I think at no time in our history have there

3966
02:56:38,780 --> 02:56:41,940
been more indications, as there are now,

3967
02:56:41,940 --> 02:56:44,240
that the time should be now.

3968
02:56:44,240 --> 02:56:47,220
We should not be continuing to delay

3969
02:56:47,220 --> 02:56:51,860
the discussion or the analysis on what that can look like,

3970
02:56:51,860 --> 02:56:54,860
especially along our Pinecrest Parkway

3971
02:56:54,860 --> 02:56:59,660
or potentially, even considering annexing parts of Dadeland

3972
02:56:59,820 --> 02:57:04,520
or who knows, some other areas in the vicinity of the folks.

3973
02:57:04,520 --> 02:57:06,300
Who knows?

3974
02:57:06,300 --> 02:57:09,760
But I think that conversation needs to start at some point,

3975
02:57:09,760 --> 02:57:13,560
and yes, understanding that it would have a long-term impact.

3976
02:57:13,560 --> 02:57:16,860
I am surprised that there is no reference to it in the budget

3977
02:57:16,860 --> 02:57:18,860
document.

3978
02:57:19,420 --> 02:57:22,260
I would imagine that if we ever want

3979
02:57:22,260 --> 02:57:26,620
to take that conversation seriously and initiate it,

3980
02:57:26,620 --> 02:57:29,440
that we might have to conduct a study,

3981
02:57:29,440 --> 02:57:31,940
hire a firm that advises us on what

3982
02:57:31,940 --> 02:57:35,110
that is, what that looks like.

3983
02:57:35,110 --> 02:57:38,370
We'd have to hold debates amongst our community,

3984
02:57:38,370 --> 02:57:38,870
et cetera.

3985
02:57:38,870 --> 02:57:40,570
There's certainly cost involved.

3986
02:57:40,570 --> 02:57:43,230
I can't imagine that we could make progress

3987
02:57:43,230 --> 02:57:47,350
on that planning aspect of our revenue diversification

3988
02:57:47,350 --> 02:57:49,350
for free.

3989
02:57:49,950 --> 02:57:53,270
And I am surprised that there is no reference to it in the budget

3990
02:57:53,270 --> 02:57:58,270
document, considering what's at risk for our village now

3991
02:57:58,270 --> 02:58:00,610
and what may be coming in the future.

3992
02:58:00,610 --> 02:58:05,250
So can there be consideration as we prepare for the workshop?

3993
02:58:05,250 --> 02:58:07,710
It's not for today, but however, there's

3994
02:58:07,710 --> 02:58:11,230
consideration to begin that process now

3995
02:58:11,230 --> 02:58:14,230
versus continuing to delay it?

3996
02:58:17,550 --> 02:58:19,590
That's to me or to you.

3997
02:58:19,590 --> 02:58:22,510
Council can direct me whatever you guys want

3998
02:58:22,510 --> 02:58:27,290
to start looking at a planning exercise, but budget is budget.

3999
02:58:27,290 --> 02:58:29,590
I believe that direction had been provided already

4000
02:58:29,590 --> 02:58:32,200
in some past council meetings.

4001
02:58:32,200 --> 02:58:33,940
We can maybe discuss it again.

4002
02:58:33,940 --> 02:58:37,520
But if I recall properly, there have been a few council meetings

4003
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:40,400
in the recent past, where we've talked about the need

4004
02:58:40,400 --> 02:58:44,640
to begin to assess what that looks like,

4005
02:58:44,640 --> 02:58:47,700
and that we had discussed, if not in the last meeting,

4006
02:58:47,700 --> 02:58:49,800
but in the meeting before that one.

4007
02:58:49,800 --> 02:58:51,780
[INAUDIBLE] workshops and there's a deadline,

4008
02:58:51,780 --> 02:58:56,620
I think, of 2028 for me to present all that to council.

4009
02:58:56,620 --> 02:58:57,440
That is what's--

4010
02:58:57,440 --> 02:59:00,600
I think if not in the last council meeting, in the one

4011
02:59:00,600 --> 02:59:03,800
before it, we had discussed the possibility

4012
02:59:03,800 --> 02:59:07,240
of including it as part of our budget workshop conversations.

4013
02:59:07,240 --> 02:59:12,400
And if we're going to have an informed

4014
02:59:12,160 --> 02:59:14,560
conversation during the budget workshops,

4015
02:59:14,560 --> 02:59:17,720
then I think we should begin to think about what that can look

4016
02:59:17,720 --> 02:59:20,400
like now, so that the staff can provide us

4017
02:59:20,400 --> 02:59:24,320
with options or topics for how we can approach it.

4018
02:59:24,320 --> 02:59:27,400
I think my opinion is that it's never too early to start

4019
02:59:27,400 --> 02:59:28,660
having those conversations.

4020
02:59:28,660 --> 02:59:31,540
Anything we could possibly discuss at this point in time

4021
02:59:31,540 --> 02:59:33,820
in this budget would be a planning exercise

4022
02:59:33,820 --> 02:59:36,480
anyway to collect data and gather information.

4023
02:59:36,480 --> 02:59:38,280
You couldn't necessarily do anything.

4024
02:59:38,280 --> 02:59:40,720
So I don't see why we don't do that.

4025
02:59:40,720 --> 02:59:44,880
I would imagine that we got a new council coming in

4026
02:59:44,880 --> 02:59:50,102
in the fall, and that group is going to have to--

4027
02:59:50,102 --> 02:59:52,600
it seems like there's a lot of hard work that--

4028
02:59:52,600 --> 02:59:54,700
I can give you an estimate for--

4029
02:59:54,700 --> 02:59:55,500
Thanks a lot.

4030
02:59:55,500 --> 02:59:57,460
I can give you an estimate for a consultant

4031
02:59:57,460 --> 03:00:00,358
to do that kind of exercise.

4032
03:00:00,358 --> 03:00:01,400
We ought to start frame--

4033
03:00:01,400 --> 03:00:04,200
I mean, I don't mind framing that conversation this time,

4034
03:00:04,200 --> 03:00:05,760
but ultimately--

4035
03:00:05,760 --> 03:00:09,960
We do have funding surplus in the budget,

4036
03:00:09,960 --> 03:00:14,600
so we have wish lists in, wish list out items

4037
03:00:14,600 --> 03:00:15,820
that we would be going over when we

4038
03:00:15,820 --> 03:00:17,158
do the budget workshops anyway.

4039
03:00:17,158 --> 03:00:18,700
And that could be one of those things

4040
03:00:18,700 --> 03:00:21,140
that you guys can tag on to.

4041
03:00:21,140 --> 03:00:22,888
So to answer the question, I would say,

4042
03:00:22,888 --> 03:00:25,180
it's probably worth the discussion during the budgeting

4043
03:00:25,180 --> 03:00:26,000
process.

4044
03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:28,200
And I think what we approved earlier

4045
03:00:28,200 --> 03:00:32,210
in terms of the transportation fee is a step in that direction.

4046
03:00:32,210 --> 03:00:34,937
I agree, we have to be having these conversations.

4047
03:00:34,937 --> 03:00:36,770
And we did talk about it at a prior meeting.

4048
03:00:36,770 --> 03:00:40,127
I didn't view it as part of this--

4049
03:00:40,127 --> 03:00:41,210
this is a little semantic.

4050
03:00:41,210 --> 03:00:43,100
I don't view it as part of this particular budget process,

4051
03:00:43,100 --> 03:00:45,100
because we have to create a budget from what we have.

4052
03:00:45,100 --> 03:00:46,330
But I think in conjunction with that,

4053
03:00:46,330 --> 03:00:47,997
we should be having these conversations.

4054
03:00:47,997 --> 03:00:51,810
And I know that there was talk of doing some after budget,

4055
03:00:51,810 --> 03:00:57,300
doing some workshops too about the state tax vote

4056
03:00:57,300 --> 03:00:59,430
referendum and other option.

4057
03:01:00,485 --> 03:01:01,610
Yes, thank you, town halls.

4058
03:01:01,610 --> 03:01:06,510
And I think we absolutely have to have those conversations.

4059
03:01:06,510 --> 03:01:08,430
I think part of the budget has to almost

4060
03:01:08,430 --> 03:01:13,203
be to educate our constituents on what that means

4061
03:01:13,203 --> 03:01:14,370
to the village of Pinecrest.

4062
03:01:14,370 --> 03:01:19,310
Effectively, we pride ourselves on the highest level of service

4063
03:01:19,310 --> 03:01:22,750
that we can possibly get out of our very, very small budget, one

4064
03:01:22,750 --> 03:01:24,390
of the lowest in Miami-Dade County.

4065
03:01:24,390 --> 03:01:27,390
We're going to obliterate that.

4066
03:01:28,640 --> 03:01:34,920
The level of service that we provide will not exist anymore.

4067
03:01:34,920 --> 03:01:38,480
It will become the lowest quality of service

4068
03:01:38,480 --> 03:01:40,680
that the public could possibly tolerate,

4069
03:01:40,680 --> 03:01:43,200
because there will simply be no money.

4070
03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:44,960
Look, we don't have staff in the first place,

4071
03:01:44,960 --> 03:01:46,160
in spite of what people say.

4072
03:01:46,160 --> 03:01:48,535
You got one public works director, one planning director,

4073
03:01:48,535 --> 03:01:52,720
very few people underneath them, and one building official.

4074
03:01:52,720 --> 03:01:56,428
Our staff levels are shoestring compared to most other cities.

4075
03:01:56,428 --> 03:01:58,720
And when you have to start getting rid of those people,

4076
03:01:58,720 --> 03:02:02,120
because you don't have the money to keep them, you can forget it.

4077
03:02:02,120 --> 03:02:04,560
You won't see your public works director

4078
03:02:04,560 --> 03:02:07,840
picking trees out or coming to your property

4079
03:02:07,840 --> 03:02:10,120
to look at your swale.

4080
03:02:10,120 --> 03:02:13,240
And the mistakes that will then be happening because you won't

4081
03:02:13,240 --> 03:02:15,400
get that hands on attention, it's

4082
03:02:15,400 --> 03:02:19,840
going to change Pinecrest much for the worse.

4083
03:02:21,360 --> 03:02:22,180
People move here.

4084
03:02:22,180 --> 03:02:24,120
People live here because of the service

4085
03:02:24,120 --> 03:02:25,980
that they get from our government,

4086
03:02:25,980 --> 03:02:28,868
Pinecrest government, the things we've done in the last 30 years.

4087
03:02:28,868 --> 03:02:29,660
You're absolutely--

4088
03:02:29,660 --> 03:02:31,260
Not to have the Wild West.

4089
03:02:31,260 --> 03:02:36,540
So you can't just do whatever you wanted to do.

4090
03:02:36,540 --> 03:02:37,400
Anyway.

4091
03:02:37,400 --> 03:02:37,320
All right.

4092
03:02:37,320 --> 03:02:39,100
So yeah, let's move the tab 13, because that's

4093
03:02:39,100 --> 03:02:40,120
where we set the number.

4094
03:02:40,120 --> 03:02:41,800
So Ms. Clerk, will you read that?

4095
03:02:41,800 --> 03:02:43,800
Resolution of the village of Pinecrest, Florida,

4096
03:02:43,800 --> 03:02:47,485
determining the proposed millage rate for fiscal year 2026 2027,

4097
03:02:47,485 --> 03:02:49,860
setting the date, time, and place for the public hearings

4098
03:02:49,860 --> 03:02:52,780
required by state law, directing staff

4099
03:02:52,780 --> 03:02:54,300
to transmit necessary documentation

4100
03:02:54,300 --> 03:02:56,300
pursuant to the requirements of Florida statutes

4101
03:02:56,300 --> 03:02:59,180
on the rules and regulations of the Department of Revenue

4102
03:02:59,180 --> 03:03:03,260
of the state of Florida, providing for an effective date.

4103
03:03:03,260 --> 03:03:05,828
All right, let's pick a number.

4104
03:03:05,828 --> 03:03:07,120
Pick a number between 1 and 10.

4105
03:03:07,120 --> 03:03:09,200
And that's effectively what we get to do.

4106
03:03:09,200 --> 03:03:10,260
Sorry, Mayor, if I--

4107
03:03:10,260 --> 03:03:11,500
Oh, go ahead.

4108
03:03:11,500 --> 03:03:12,740
Yeah, go ahead.

4109
03:03:12,740 --> 03:03:14,540
Jerry's going to go.

4110
03:03:14,540 --> 03:03:16,820
No, I think another aspect of the conversation

4111
03:03:16,820 --> 03:03:22,180
needs to include our reserves and the way they

4112
03:03:22,180 --> 03:03:24,510
have evolved over the years.

4113
03:03:24,510 --> 03:03:28,510
I think we could all agree that what $1 buys you today

4114
03:03:28,510 --> 03:03:30,910
is very different than what $1 bought you

4115
03:03:30,910 --> 03:03:33,110
10 years or five years ago.

4116
03:03:33,110 --> 03:03:34,950
And I don't know if our reserves have

4117
03:03:34,950 --> 03:03:39,470
been growing at the same rate as we've seen the cost of things

4118
03:03:39,470 --> 03:03:40,750
go up.

4119
03:03:40,750 --> 03:03:43,350
I know the cost of our capital projects

4120
03:03:43,350 --> 03:03:47,360
has probably doubled over the course of the last five

4121
03:03:47,360 --> 03:03:49,360
to seven years.

4122
03:03:49,630 --> 03:03:52,700
So I don't know if the level of our reserves

4123
03:03:52,700 --> 03:03:55,290
have doubled over the last five to seven years.

4124
03:03:55,290 --> 03:03:58,110
And what I do know, though, is that we cannot expect a lot help

4125
03:03:58,110 --> 03:04:03,950
from the state if a disaster strikes in this area,

4126
03:04:03,950 --> 03:04:07,210
and that we would be on our own for a while, possibly,

4127
03:04:07,210 --> 03:04:11,700
as has been, I think, was the case with Irma for some time.

4128
03:04:11,700 --> 03:04:17,390
So again, I think reserves should be a topic of discussion

4129
03:04:17,390 --> 03:04:19,750
or at least get some insights from the manager on that

4130
03:04:19,750 --> 03:04:23,160
and their level, whether they are appropriate for what it

4131
03:04:23,160 --> 03:04:25,880
costs to get things done today.

4132
03:04:25,880 --> 03:04:29,880
And if they're not necessarily in an area

4133
03:04:29,880 --> 03:04:31,800
where we are comfortable, then I think

4134
03:04:31,800 --> 03:04:34,560
that's a relevant aspect of the conversation when

4135
03:04:34,560 --> 03:04:39,480
we vote for the temporary or tentative millage rate,

4136
03:04:39,480 --> 03:04:42,320
because we may want to have some cushion there

4137
03:04:42,320 --> 03:04:47,190
that allows us to build up the reserves over time

4138
03:04:47,190 --> 03:04:50,760
to a level that is probably more financially

4139
03:04:50,760 --> 03:04:53,840
responsible for our village-- not to mention the risks that

4140
03:04:53,840 --> 03:04:57,120
exist, as you've all stated, with property taxes

4141
03:04:57,120 --> 03:04:59,640
and what's happening out of Tallahassee.

4142
03:04:59,640 --> 03:05:01,880
But again, that, to me, is another risk

4143
03:05:01,880 --> 03:05:06,400
that we may be underappreciating when it comes to the levels

4144
03:05:06,400 --> 03:05:08,800
that we're budgeting for, unless we

4145
03:05:08,800 --> 03:05:09,760
feel those are the right ones.

4146
03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:10,600
Jerry.

4147
03:05:10,600 --> 03:05:14,120
Look, I think that reserve is one of the factors

4148
03:05:14,120 --> 03:05:16,800
that we need to think about for sure.

4149
03:05:16,800 --> 03:05:19,140
My recommendation is, well, we have a recommendation.

4150
03:05:19,140 --> 03:05:22,830
My preference would be to go with what the manager said.

4151
03:05:22,830 --> 03:05:24,230
I mean, it's interesting.

4152
03:05:24,230 --> 03:05:25,647
I mean, in prior years, it's often

4153
03:05:25,647 --> 03:05:27,770
that the manager recommends something higher

4154
03:05:27,770 --> 03:05:30,290
and then the council wants to lower it.

4155
03:05:30,290 --> 03:05:34,870
I know we're in odd times now, the bizarre world.

4156
03:05:34,870 --> 03:05:39,870
But, I think to me, it's a sound starting point.

4157
03:05:39,870 --> 03:05:41,150
We did increase it last year.

4158
03:05:41,150 --> 03:05:45,530
We increased it for the first time in a very long time.

4159
03:05:45,530 --> 03:05:48,330
And at least when I did it, when I

4160
03:05:48,330 --> 03:05:51,450
voted for the ultimate budget, what I said

4161
03:05:51,450 --> 03:05:54,182
and what I stand by is, I don't plan

4162
03:05:54,182 --> 03:05:56,390
to make that an annual occurrence to keep raising it.

4163
03:05:56,390 --> 03:05:59,770
We saw what happened when we came in

4164
03:05:59,770 --> 03:06:01,690
with a much higher number last year

4165
03:06:01,690 --> 03:06:05,550
and then lowered it ultimately for the final thing.

4166
03:06:05,550 --> 03:06:10,225
To me, look, obviously, as I've said many times

4167
03:06:10,225 --> 03:06:12,850
and have been emailing seemingly everyone in the village about,

4168
03:06:12,850 --> 03:06:15,830
we do have to be very concerned about what was going to happen.

4169
03:06:15,830 --> 03:06:17,610
But to me, the answer-- and I appreciate

4170
03:06:17,610 --> 03:06:18,570
where it's coming from.

4171
03:06:18,570 --> 03:06:20,990
To me, the solution is not to raise it this year

4172
03:06:20,990 --> 03:06:21,865
and see what happens.

4173
03:06:21,865 --> 03:06:24,198
First of all, there is still some hope it gets defeated.

4174
03:06:24,198 --> 03:06:25,850
I think if we raise it in anticipation,

4175
03:06:25,850 --> 03:06:29,270
we're sending the wrong message, the opposite message.

4176
03:06:29,270 --> 03:06:32,342
If it passes, we're going to have to do a number of things.

4177
03:06:32,342 --> 03:06:34,550
As we've been talking about for the last few minutes,

4178
03:06:34,550 --> 03:06:37,175
we're going to have to look at alternative sources, the transit

4179
03:06:37,175 --> 03:06:41,500
thing, what we may want to do on US1, all sorts of other things.

4180
03:06:41,500 --> 03:06:43,650
We're also going to have to make some significant cuts.

4181
03:06:43,650 --> 03:06:46,190
It's part of why I wanted to hold off on the park vote

4182
03:06:46,190 --> 03:06:47,770
last month, but OK, I understand.

4183
03:06:47,770 --> 03:06:50,310
I don't think that the solution is

4184
03:06:50,310 --> 03:06:53,950
to try to tax our way out of it right now in advance.

4185
03:06:53,950 --> 03:06:56,700
I think it sends a mixed and confusing message

4186
03:06:56,700 --> 03:06:57,130
to the community.

4187
03:06:57,130 --> 03:06:59,790
I think it's putting a lot on the backs of people right now.

4188
03:06:59,790 --> 03:07:03,990
We would be increasing significantly on people

4189
03:07:04,870 --> 03:07:06,890
before there's any relief coming from the state.

4190
03:07:06,890 --> 03:07:09,190
So it would be a significant move

4191
03:07:09,190 --> 03:07:11,830
to raise it at all for a second year in a row.

4192
03:07:11,830 --> 03:07:14,810
So I wouldn't support it in the long run.

4193
03:07:14,810 --> 03:07:17,720
And I don't love the idea of going with something higher just

4194
03:07:17,720 --> 03:07:20,400
to see, because I, for one, can't imagine possibly going

4195
03:07:20,400 --> 03:07:23,100
higher than the rate that we already went up to last year.

4196
03:07:23,100 --> 03:07:25,772
So I would recommend we go with what the manager recommended.

4197
03:07:25,772 --> 03:07:27,980
That still gives us plenty of room for conversations,

4198
03:07:27,980 --> 03:07:29,520
I think pointing to the sky area,

4199
03:07:29,520 --> 03:07:31,200
because you're coming in from there.

4200
03:07:31,200 --> 03:07:33,418
But the issue that Council Member Meyer raised

4201
03:07:33,418 --> 03:07:34,960
about reserves is important, and it's

4202
03:07:34,960 --> 03:07:36,252
a conversation we have to have.

4203
03:07:36,252 --> 03:07:37,960
But to me, it's about where we put money

4204
03:07:37,960 --> 03:07:40,820
within what we've already got, not increasing the pot.

4205
03:07:40,820 --> 03:07:45,360
So I would support what the manager said, especially knowing

4206
03:07:45,360 --> 03:07:48,800
that I don't want to go for something that I couldn't vote

4207
03:07:48,800 --> 03:07:51,680
for later, if that make sense.

4208
03:07:51,680 --> 03:07:52,180
All right.

4209
03:07:52,180 --> 03:07:55,180
Who else has got thoughts?

4210
03:07:55,344 --> 03:07:57,280
[INAUDIBLE]

4211
03:07:57,280 --> 03:08:01,200
Well, I've always looked at the process.

4212
03:08:01,200 --> 03:08:04,700
And the process was, we set this tentative millage rate.

4213
03:08:04,700 --> 03:08:06,100
And then we have public input.

4214
03:08:06,100 --> 03:08:09,360
And then we decide what we want to do in the end, which is

4215
03:08:09,360 --> 03:08:11,788
what we finally did last year.

4216
03:08:11,788 --> 03:08:13,580
Now, granted, a little different situation.

4217
03:08:13,580 --> 03:08:16,930
We had a budget that was enormous.

4218
03:08:16,930 --> 03:08:19,450
A lot of things that people wanted to do,

4219
03:08:19,450 --> 03:08:21,670
council people wanted to do, and we couldn't get them all done.

4220
03:08:21,670 --> 03:08:24,290
And we said no to a number.

4221
03:08:24,290 --> 03:08:26,250
I think going into discussion, I'd

4222
03:08:26,250 --> 03:08:30,850
have to stand by that same idea that we'd go at slightly higher

4223
03:08:30,850 --> 03:08:34,530
to give us some room to discuss and debate, and find out

4224
03:08:34,530 --> 03:08:35,690
what the--

4225
03:08:35,690 --> 03:08:38,730
great example, the middle school project.

4226
03:08:38,730 --> 03:08:40,730
Is that important?

4227
03:08:42,100 --> 03:08:46,500
And if it's really important and people really want it,

4228
03:08:46,500 --> 03:08:48,550
maybe the taxes go up a little bit to pay for it.

4229
03:08:48,550 --> 03:08:53,500
I mean, 1/10 of a mill is 800-and-some thousand dollars.

4230
03:08:53,500 --> 03:08:55,950
So I like having that little room.

4231
03:08:55,950 --> 03:09:01,950
I think I'd be inclined to settle back to that 2.503.

4232
03:09:03,690 --> 03:09:06,690
But I'd like the room to have an honest discussion

4233
03:09:06,690 --> 03:09:08,210
with the public and with ourselves

4234
03:09:08,210 --> 03:09:11,290
over the next couple of months to determine that that's

4235
03:09:11,290 --> 03:09:14,390
correct, that we don't need a little bit more money to spend

4236
03:09:14,390 --> 03:09:18,300
on something that we really want to get done.

4237
03:09:18,300 --> 03:09:20,370
I have a question for you.

4238
03:09:20,370 --> 03:09:24,590
Is what Ken just said, the difference between 2.503

4239
03:09:24,590 --> 03:09:26,590
and 2.6041, 800,000?

4240
03:09:28,310 --> 03:09:29,150
Yeah.

4241
03:09:29,150 --> 03:09:31,350
Priscilla, can you bring up the chart

4242
03:09:31,350 --> 03:09:33,210
that has the different millage rates?

4243
03:09:33,210 --> 03:09:34,430
It's like 848.

4244
03:09:34,430 --> 03:09:36,170
Probably, $900,000.

4245
03:09:36,170 --> 03:09:37,420
It's 850, I think.

4246
03:09:37,420 --> 03:09:37,750
Well, let's say--

4247
03:09:37,750 --> 03:09:38,350
That one.

4248
03:09:38,350 --> 03:09:38,630
No.

4249
03:09:38,630 --> 03:09:38,910
Go back.

4250
03:09:38,910 --> 03:09:39,530
That one.

4251
03:09:39,530 --> 03:09:39,910
No.

4252
03:09:39,910 --> 03:09:40,410
Go back.

4253
03:09:40,410 --> 03:09:42,270
That one.

4254
03:09:42,270 --> 03:09:44,190
That tells you, 843.

4255
03:09:44,190 --> 03:09:46,190
843.

4256
03:09:48,370 --> 03:09:51,810
I came into this, thinking, and I'm still thinking that way,

4257
03:09:51,810 --> 03:09:54,230
but go with the manager's recommendation.

4258
03:09:54,230 --> 03:09:55,830
Then as I think it more, I think,

4259
03:09:55,830 --> 03:09:57,950
we're in this position because of these people

4260
03:09:57,950 --> 03:09:59,910
that we send to Tallahassee, who are--

4261
03:09:59,910 --> 03:10:01,910
[COUGHS]

4262
03:10:02,700 --> 03:10:05,350
--that is totally irresponsible with no input,

4263
03:10:05,350 --> 03:10:07,170
other than the governor dictating to them.

4264
03:10:07,170 --> 03:10:08,350
And they've passed it.

4265
03:10:08,350 --> 03:10:12,440
And they're about to try to gut our town and every other city

4266
03:10:12,440 --> 03:10:15,360
in this village, in this state, which is

4267
03:10:15,360 --> 03:10:17,660
lousy government at its worst.

4268
03:10:17,660 --> 03:10:20,660
I mean, it's just terrible.

4269
03:10:20,720 --> 03:10:23,960
So one way of trying to hedge a little bit is to raise

4270
03:10:23,960 --> 03:10:28,160
the millage by 1/10, which is nothing, really.

4271
03:10:28,440 --> 03:10:31,600
But I understand what happened last year,

4272
03:10:31,600 --> 03:10:35,420
where the millage rate went up considerably.

4273
03:10:35,420 --> 03:10:38,680
And there was a lot of consternation in town.

4274
03:10:38,680 --> 03:10:40,120
I think what the mayor just raised

4275
03:10:40,120 --> 03:10:44,240
was a very good issue, that for this village going forward,

4276
03:10:44,240 --> 03:10:47,840
if this thing passes come November,

4277
03:10:48,720 --> 03:10:52,320
this village is going to have to take another look at US1,

4278
03:10:52,320 --> 03:10:57,120
the corridor, and see how we can grow

4279
03:10:58,120 --> 03:11:01,718
our commercial district to increase revenue for this town.

4280
03:11:01,718 --> 03:11:03,260
I think that's going to be something.

4281
03:11:03,260 --> 03:11:05,880
But we went through that a couple of years ago.

4282
03:11:05,880 --> 03:11:08,105
A lot of people were vociferously against it,

4283
03:11:08,105 --> 03:11:09,730
because they thought it was going to be

4284
03:11:09,730 --> 03:11:12,210
the worst thing since whatever.

4285
03:11:12,210 --> 03:11:13,410
Just one correction.

4286
03:11:13,410 --> 03:11:14,500
Not true.

4287
03:11:14,500 --> 03:11:14,550
Not true.

4288
03:11:14,550 --> 03:11:15,470
Not a lot of people.

4289
03:11:15,470 --> 03:11:16,650
Well, a lot of noise--

4290
03:11:16,650 --> 03:11:18,610
Not a lot of people were against it.

4291
03:11:18,610 --> 03:11:20,930
The referendum was defeated.

4292
03:11:20,930 --> 03:11:21,490
I understand.

4293
03:11:21,490 --> 03:11:24,230
It got a significant landslide numbers.

4294
03:11:24,230 --> 03:11:25,410
You're absolutely correct.

4295
03:11:25,410 --> 03:11:30,210
There was a very loud, very poignant minority.

4296
03:11:31,100 --> 03:11:33,698
So it was actually very favorable in Pinecrest.

4297
03:11:33,698 --> 03:11:34,490
You're absolutely--

4298
03:11:34,490 --> 03:11:36,240
70% of the people liked it.

4299
03:11:36,240 --> 03:11:36,990
I stand corrected.

4300
03:11:36,990 --> 03:11:37,710
You're absolutely correct.

4301
03:11:37,710 --> 03:11:39,250
I just remember the vociferousness

4302
03:11:39,250 --> 03:11:41,330
of all the stuff that was going on.

4303
03:11:41,330 --> 03:11:42,210
Loud--

4304
03:11:42,210 --> 03:11:43,510
Loud and yeah, whatever.

4305
03:11:43,510 --> 03:11:44,330
Believe me, I know.

4306
03:11:44,330 --> 03:11:45,330
I knocked on doors--

4307
03:11:45,330 --> 03:11:46,530
Loud and popularity don't--

4308
03:11:46,530 --> 03:11:47,410
--too much--

4309
03:11:47,410 --> 03:11:48,500
--match.

4310
03:11:48,500 --> 03:11:48,950
--against that thing.

4311
03:11:48,950 --> 03:11:53,610
So I would say, though, that I would go with the manager's rate

4312
03:11:53,610 --> 03:11:55,610
recommendation of 2.503.

4313
03:11:56,850 --> 03:11:58,930
And then this village will deal with whatever

4314
03:11:58,930 --> 03:12:00,250
happens in November.

4315
03:12:00,250 --> 03:12:01,290
Ariel.

4316
03:12:01,290 --> 03:12:05,490
So I'm with Vice Mayor Fairman here,

4317
03:12:05,690 --> 03:12:10,180
in that to me, we're doing a disservice to ourselves

4318
03:12:10,180 --> 03:12:14,660
and the community by shutting down the potential conversations

4319
03:12:14,660 --> 03:12:17,180
that could take place, the potential decisions that could

4320
03:12:17,180 --> 03:12:21,280
take place as we workshop through this together more

4321
03:12:21,280 --> 03:12:24,700
or hear feedback from the community

4322
03:12:24,700 --> 03:12:29,500
if we weren't to incorporate an additional buffer

4323
03:12:32,420 --> 03:12:37,820
in this tentative millage rate that we passed today

4324
03:12:38,100 --> 03:12:39,280
to accommodate for that.

4325
03:12:39,280 --> 03:12:44,860
So it doesn't mean that we are voting for a tax increase,

4326
03:12:44,860 --> 03:12:47,900
not at all, because the conversations that take place

4327
03:12:47,900 --> 03:12:52,700
during workshop may lead us to keeping the millage rate

4328
03:12:52,700 --> 03:12:55,740
at the level that it is now, or even lowering it, who knows?

4329
03:12:55,740 --> 03:12:58,380
Or maybe even raising it slightly,

4330
03:12:58,380 --> 03:13:01,640
if it warrants that we should go in that direction.

4331
03:13:01,640 --> 03:13:05,440
So to me, it's too early now to shut down those conversations

4332
03:13:05,440 --> 03:13:07,120
or those possibilities.

4333
03:13:07,120 --> 03:13:09,400
I would be comfortable with going

4334
03:13:09,400 --> 03:13:13,980
with the 2.6, or 3, or whatever that number is,

4335
03:13:13,980 --> 03:13:17,580
but it's the 2.6 number, not the 2.53.

4336
03:13:18,780 --> 03:13:21,200
And then giving us the opportunities

4337
03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:23,960
to have those discussions in August,

4338
03:13:23,960 --> 03:13:27,950
after input from the community, and in our own conversations,

4339
03:13:27,950 --> 03:13:33,350
and what we think is best for our village.

4340
03:13:35,200 --> 03:13:35,840
All right.

4341
03:13:35,840 --> 03:13:37,640
You're the tiebreaker, Mayor.

4342
03:13:37,640 --> 03:13:38,540
OK.

4343
03:13:38,540 --> 03:13:39,680
Interesting.

4344
03:13:39,680 --> 03:13:43,120
So right now, if we had to--

4345
03:13:43,120 --> 03:13:44,680
I guess what you all are saying, this

4346
03:13:44,680 --> 03:13:46,513
doesn't have really anything to do with what

4347
03:13:46,513 --> 03:13:49,560
we vote on in the long run.

4348
03:13:49,560 --> 03:13:52,840
This is just for discussion purposes.

4349
03:13:52,840 --> 03:13:54,780
And I start to think, then what's the point?

4350
03:13:54,780 --> 03:13:59,420
Because no matter how-- if this is the feeling that we have now,

4351
03:13:59,420 --> 03:14:00,980
no matter what the number we discuss

4352
03:14:00,980 --> 03:14:02,980
is, if this was the way the vote would come out,

4353
03:14:02,980 --> 03:14:05,900
we have to go back to the rollback rate,

4354
03:14:05,900 --> 03:14:07,530
because it takes four out of five

4355
03:14:07,530 --> 03:14:11,330
to do anything but the rollback rate at this point in time.

4356
03:14:11,330 --> 03:14:12,990
And we're at three to two right now.

4357
03:14:12,990 --> 03:14:17,450
You might have a compromise above the rollback rate

4358
03:14:17,450 --> 03:14:19,310
to be able to get a fourth vote.

4359
03:14:19,310 --> 03:14:23,250
But yes, if you want to pass the budget and the rate

4360
03:14:23,250 --> 03:14:25,810
with a bare majority, it would have

4361
03:14:25,810 --> 03:14:27,970
to be the rollback rate or lower.

4362
03:14:27,970 --> 03:14:30,370
And the rollback is 2.367.

4363
03:14:30,830 --> 03:14:31,730
That is correct.

4364
03:14:31,730 --> 03:14:34,870
So that's lower than what we were currently operating under.

4365
03:14:34,870 --> 03:14:37,290
So right now, everybody that I've heard

4366
03:14:37,290 --> 03:14:40,890
has said either my recommendation, right?

4367
03:14:42,700 --> 03:14:42,690
Yeah.

4368
03:14:42,690 --> 03:14:44,450
So the lowest that we're talking about

4369
03:14:44,450 --> 03:14:49,950
is the 2.503, which I think we have the four votes minimum for.

4370
03:14:49,950 --> 03:14:55,100
So I think the rollback rate is not being discussed right now.

4371
03:14:55,100 --> 03:14:59,623
So at a minimum, the lowest that everybody's talked about here,

4372
03:14:59,623 --> 03:15:01,290
even the people that weren't necessarily

4373
03:15:01,290 --> 03:15:04,890
comfortable with going higher, was the 2.503.

4374
03:15:05,260 --> 03:15:06,460
That's my recommendation.

4375
03:15:06,460 --> 03:15:06,960
I mean, yes.

4376
03:15:06,960 --> 03:15:09,243
I mean, look, I think theoretically, sure,

4377
03:15:09,243 --> 03:15:11,160
if there was some great way we could lower it,

4378
03:15:11,160 --> 03:15:15,260
I'm sure everybody in this desk would.

4379
03:15:15,260 --> 03:15:18,000
But I think it's fair to say, we're not--

4380
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:22,200
The lowest denominator right now is the 2.503.

4381
03:15:22,262 --> 03:15:23,720
Also, I think, phrased another way,

4382
03:15:23,720 --> 03:15:28,323
I don't think there's anybody who would be willing to throw us

4383
03:15:28,323 --> 03:15:29,240
off a cliff like that.

4384
03:15:29,240 --> 03:15:30,990
I mean, whatever agreement or disagreement

4385
03:15:30,990 --> 03:15:33,808
we have in this realm of 2.5, 2.6,

4386
03:15:33,808 --> 03:15:36,100
I think we will all make sure we don't hit the rollback

4387
03:15:36,100 --> 03:15:37,180
if we come to it.

4388
03:15:37,180 --> 03:15:38,500
Yeah.

4389
03:15:38,500 --> 03:15:42,780
So the question then is, all right, so the tentative,

4390
03:15:42,780 --> 03:15:45,440
do you want to leave it at 2.503 or do you want to go higher?

4391
03:15:45,440 --> 03:15:47,523
Well, I mean the fact is, what do you want to go--

4392
03:15:47,523 --> 03:15:50,940
Well, my point has always been, why go through this exercise

4393
03:15:50,940 --> 03:15:54,740
if we're not even consider something higher?

4394
03:15:54,740 --> 03:15:56,220
It's a tentative rate.

4395
03:15:56,220 --> 03:15:58,220
You discuss it.

4396
03:15:58,340 --> 03:16:03,400
Maybe this middle school project gets a great demand

4397
03:16:03,400 --> 03:16:04,180
from the public.

4398
03:16:04,180 --> 03:16:07,000
And we decide that we need to change the budget around.

4399
03:16:07,000 --> 03:16:08,520
We have that option.

4400
03:16:08,520 --> 03:16:09,200
If not--

4401
03:16:09,200 --> 03:16:10,880
What rate do you want to go to?

4402
03:16:10,880 --> 03:16:11,380
I'm sorry.

4403
03:16:11,380 --> 03:16:13,620
Let's say it differently.

4404
03:16:13,620 --> 03:16:16,740
You're not suggesting that we're going to do a higher rate.

4405
03:16:16,740 --> 03:16:20,620
What you're suggesting is that, for the purposes of discussion,

4406
03:16:20,620 --> 03:16:24,200
as we put a budget together and start to go to the workshops,

4407
03:16:24,200 --> 03:16:25,960
that we give ourselves the latitude

4408
03:16:25,960 --> 03:16:29,200
to explore the entirety of this budget

4409
03:16:29,200 --> 03:16:31,460
and not pin ourselves into anything.

4410
03:16:31,460 --> 03:16:35,360
But you're perfectly willing to accept the manager's

4411
03:16:35,360 --> 03:16:37,200
recommendation right now.

4412
03:16:37,200 --> 03:16:40,600
But for discussion purposes, you want to have [INAUDIBLE].

4413
03:16:40,600 --> 03:16:42,940
And for bringing the public into the discussion--

4414
03:16:42,940 --> 03:16:44,240
You want to have that freedom.

4415
03:16:44,240 --> 03:16:44,740
Right.

4416
03:16:44,740 --> 03:16:46,160
So this is in no way a suggestion

4417
03:16:46,160 --> 03:16:47,535
that we would do anything higher,

4418
03:16:47,535 --> 03:16:50,660
it's just something that we need to do.

4419
03:16:50,660 --> 03:16:52,660
Since I came on council, I always thought that,

4420
03:16:52,660 --> 03:16:53,820
why aren't we doing that?

4421
03:16:53,820 --> 03:16:58,770
Because what's the public-- give them their voice to say,

4422
03:16:58,770 --> 03:17:00,650
absolutely, don't spend another dime,

4423
03:17:00,650 --> 03:17:03,900
or I want the middle school project done,

4424
03:17:03,900 --> 03:17:05,183
because I got a bunch of families that live on

4425
03:17:05,183 --> 03:17:07,350
[INAUDIBLE], and they want to go out there and play.

4426
03:17:07,350 --> 03:17:09,330
What I'm hearing is that there's not

4427
03:17:09,330 --> 03:17:13,110
advocacy to go to a higher rate.

4428
03:17:13,110 --> 03:17:15,770
There's just the advocacy to have the discussion.

4429
03:17:15,770 --> 03:17:16,330
Absolutely.

4430
03:17:16,330 --> 03:17:17,250
OK.

4431
03:17:17,250 --> 03:17:18,730
What rate?

4432
03:17:18,730 --> 03:17:19,550
2.6?

4433
03:17:19,550 --> 03:17:22,250
Was that the one Mr. Meyer suggested?

4434
03:17:22,250 --> 03:17:23,848
And the one Jim suggested.

4435
03:17:23,848 --> 03:17:25,390
I didn't say-- it's right here that--

4436
03:17:25,390 --> 03:17:26,130
No, I'm saying--

4437
03:17:26,130 --> 03:17:29,230
Yeah, 2.6041, that's where I got it from.

4438
03:17:29,230 --> 03:17:29,730
OK.

4439
03:17:29,730 --> 03:17:31,570
Yeah, that's on that.

4440
03:17:31,570 --> 03:17:33,490
I'll support that.

4441
03:17:33,490 --> 03:17:35,890
Anybody got a motion?

4442
03:17:35,890 --> 03:17:38,890
We'll open the public comments.

4443
03:17:39,330 --> 03:17:42,970
Anybody from the public want to speak?

4444
03:17:42,970 --> 03:17:43,850
Seeing none.

4445
03:17:43,850 --> 03:17:48,500
Nobody wants to speak on the budget.

4446
03:17:48,970 --> 03:17:50,530
Well, candidates in the room, nobody

4447
03:17:50,530 --> 03:17:53,330
wants to speak on the budget.

4448
03:17:53,330 --> 03:17:55,330
Duly noted.

4449
03:17:56,500 --> 03:17:56,638
All right.

4450
03:17:56,638 --> 03:17:57,680
Public hearing is closed.

4451
03:17:57,680 --> 03:17:58,780
Anybody online?

4452
03:17:58,780 --> 03:17:59,440
No, Mayor.

4453
03:17:59,440 --> 03:18:01,440
All right.

4454
03:18:01,660 --> 03:18:02,380
Just go ahead.

4455
03:18:02,380 --> 03:18:02,880
Yeah.

4456
03:18:02,880 --> 03:18:03,620
So I'm clear.

4457
03:18:03,620 --> 03:18:06,840
So what we're talking about is, for discussion purposes,

4458
03:18:06,840 --> 03:18:10,900
we're going to set it at 2.6041, which is just

4459
03:18:10,900 --> 03:18:12,320
for discussion purposes.

4460
03:18:12,320 --> 03:18:15,600
And then when we get finished with our budget workshops,

4461
03:18:15,600 --> 03:18:18,740
and then in September, we'll decide what the permanent rate

4462
03:18:18,740 --> 03:18:19,680
is going to be.

4463
03:18:19,680 --> 03:18:20,460
Yes, sir.

4464
03:18:20,460 --> 03:18:22,672
So this is merely for discussion purposes.

4465
03:18:22,672 --> 03:18:23,380
Total discussion.

4466
03:18:23,380 --> 03:18:26,680
Whatever shakes out during our workshops in August.

4467
03:18:26,680 --> 03:18:28,700
This is going to go to the public.

4468
03:18:28,700 --> 03:18:31,980
Residents in a notice that says, notice of--

4469
03:18:31,980 --> 03:18:34,800
That we're considering this rate.

4470
03:18:34,800 --> 03:18:35,820
Yeah.

4471
03:18:35,820 --> 03:18:37,940
And these guys are going to run for it.

4472
03:18:37,940 --> 03:18:38,440
All right.

4473
03:18:38,440 --> 03:18:40,220
Make a motion.

4474
03:18:40,220 --> 03:18:46,220
I move that we set the tentative millage rate at 2.6041.

4475
03:18:46,700 --> 03:18:47,740
I'll second.

4476
03:18:47,740 --> 03:18:49,260
Motion and second.

4477
03:18:49,260 --> 03:18:50,360
All in favor?

4478
03:18:50,360 --> 03:18:50,860
Aye.

4479
03:18:50,860 --> 03:18:51,360
Aye.

4480
03:18:51,360 --> 03:18:51,900
Aye.

4481
03:18:51,900 --> 03:18:52,920
Anybody opposed?

4482
03:18:52,920 --> 03:18:54,420
Aye.

4483
03:18:54,420 --> 03:18:55,430
[LAUGHTER]

4484
03:18:55,430 --> 03:18:56,248
Wait, what?

4485
03:18:56,248 --> 03:18:56,790
I don't know.

4486
03:18:56,790 --> 03:18:58,430
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

4487
03:18:58,430 --> 03:18:59,410
Time delay.

4488
03:18:59,410 --> 03:18:59,910
Yeah.

4489
03:18:59,910 --> 03:19:00,950
Jim.

4490
03:19:00,950 --> 03:19:01,450
Oh.

4491
03:19:01,450 --> 03:19:02,170
I'm opposed.

4492
03:19:02,170 --> 03:19:06,370
I'm opposed to 2.6, even for discussion purposes.

4493
03:19:06,690 --> 03:19:08,850
Yeah, because, I mean, as I said,

4494
03:19:08,850 --> 03:19:13,810
I think I'm not going to support raising it.

4495
03:19:13,810 --> 03:19:16,770
And I don't think that especially after last year,

4496
03:19:16,770 --> 03:19:17,630
I don't think--

4497
03:19:17,630 --> 03:19:18,870
I don't want to use the word "irresponsible,"

4498
03:19:18,870 --> 03:19:21,290
because I completely appreciate what everyone's doing.

4499
03:19:21,290 --> 03:19:26,190
I personally don't like the idea of sending out there

4500
03:19:26,190 --> 03:19:28,450
a higher number that I can't support in the long run.

4501
03:19:28,450 --> 03:19:32,757
And I think it runs the risk of a furor.

4502
03:19:32,757 --> 03:19:34,590
And everything we dealt with that, I thought

4503
03:19:34,590 --> 03:19:36,510
was counterproductive.

4504
03:19:36,510 --> 03:19:38,310
That said, I respect where people are--

4505
03:19:38,310 --> 03:19:39,775
[INAUDIBLE] to support it either.

4506
03:19:39,775 --> 03:19:41,650
I don't think I'm going to support it either.

4507
03:19:41,650 --> 03:19:46,450
That's why I think if we voted to--

4508
03:19:47,370 --> 03:19:49,100
I wouldn't support it, honestly.

4509
03:19:49,100 --> 03:19:50,670
But for discussion, I'm all for it,

4510
03:19:50,670 --> 03:19:53,770
because it's a good topic to discuss.

4511
03:19:53,770 --> 03:19:55,350
And I certainly respect that.

4512
03:19:55,350 --> 03:19:57,230
To me, it's a process point, though.

4513
03:19:57,230 --> 03:20:01,168
And my concern, I think that the discussion should be,

4514
03:20:01,168 --> 03:20:03,210
especially if there's not going to be an appetite

4515
03:20:03,210 --> 03:20:04,410
to go higher than that anyway, I think

4516
03:20:04,410 --> 03:20:05,827
there is a very serious discussion

4517
03:20:05,827 --> 03:20:07,950
to have about what we do with what we have,

4518
03:20:07,950 --> 03:20:09,950
with that 2.503 number.

4519
03:20:11,208 --> 03:20:13,250
And for example, as the vice mayor is suggesting,

4520
03:20:13,250 --> 03:20:17,470
there's an uproar in favor of the field, for example,

4521
03:20:17,470 --> 03:20:19,630
then we're going to have to make decisions about other things,

4522
03:20:19,630 --> 03:20:22,210
because I don't think we're in a position

4523
03:20:22,210 --> 03:20:25,210
where we can be taking on any more of these obligations

4524
03:20:25,210 --> 03:20:27,770
at this point anyway, because especially with what

4525
03:20:27,770 --> 03:20:29,210
we're facing long-term.

4526
03:20:29,210 --> 03:20:31,370
And I also think that increasing it

4527
03:20:31,370 --> 03:20:34,612
does burden people right now, before it passes.

4528
03:20:34,612 --> 03:20:36,570
And we're going to have major decisions to make

4529
03:20:36,570 --> 03:20:38,630
if this thing passes.

4530
03:20:38,630 --> 03:20:40,730
To Councilman Meyer's point, we need to have these conversations

4531
03:20:40,730 --> 03:20:41,230
anyway.

4532
03:20:41,230 --> 03:20:43,130
Because if this thing doesn't pass, I'm sure

4533
03:20:43,130 --> 03:20:45,500
there's something else coming down the track.

4534
03:20:45,500 --> 03:20:46,110
And we have to do that.

4535
03:20:46,110 --> 03:20:49,450
But to me, just looking at this budget and this year,

4536
03:20:49,450 --> 03:20:52,820
and maybe I'm battle-scarred, because my first

4537
03:20:52,820 --> 03:20:55,600
and thus, far only budget experience was last year.

4538
03:20:55,600 --> 03:21:00,140
But I'm not comfortable, even as a tentative rate,

4539
03:21:00,140 --> 03:21:02,380
setting something higher than I would go for.

4540
03:21:02,380 --> 03:21:04,680
And I don't disagree with that, whatsoever.

4541
03:21:04,680 --> 03:21:08,200
I don't feel the same way in the sense

4542
03:21:08,200 --> 03:21:11,500
that I think that it's a worthwhile discussion

4543
03:21:11,500 --> 03:21:14,400
to give us flexibility, because we haven't discussed the budget,

4544
03:21:14,400 --> 03:21:15,800
we've only received it.

4545
03:21:15,800 --> 03:21:20,180
But the way I'm reading it, probably, this gets a 5

4546
03:21:20,180 --> 03:21:23,680
to nothing, in my opinion, to stay exactly where it is.

4547
03:21:23,680 --> 03:21:25,905
And this is for discussion purposes only,

4548
03:21:25,905 --> 03:21:27,280
which I don't know how we could--

4549
03:21:27,280 --> 03:21:31,480
my personal opinion is, why limit yourself

4550
03:21:31,820 --> 03:21:33,940
to where you think you want to be if you just

4551
03:21:33,940 --> 03:21:34,987
got this book tonight?

4552
03:21:34,987 --> 03:21:36,820
And I just want to make that clear from my--

4553
03:21:36,820 --> 03:21:38,200
all right.

4554
03:21:38,200 --> 03:21:39,980
And I would agree with both of you.

4555
03:21:39,980 --> 03:21:44,740
I'm for this tonight, so we can have that discussion.

4556
03:21:44,740 --> 03:21:48,900
And if it raises discussion within the village,

4557
03:21:48,900 --> 03:21:50,670
I think it's going to be important

4558
03:21:50,670 --> 03:21:52,870
for people to understand why we did it,

4559
03:21:52,870 --> 03:21:57,430
and that we are reacting to what the legislature did,

4560
03:21:57,430 --> 03:22:00,230
what was potentially coming down the pike.

4561
03:22:00,230 --> 03:22:02,390
So as a responsible government, we

4562
03:22:02,390 --> 03:22:05,390
look at for discussion purposes.

4563
03:22:05,450 --> 03:22:06,450
And I think that's good.

4564
03:22:06,450 --> 03:22:08,630
And if people come in, screaming and yelling,

4565
03:22:08,630 --> 03:22:10,950
then it might be a way to educate them

4566
03:22:10,950 --> 03:22:13,950
on what their legislature has done to us and every other city

4567
03:22:13,950 --> 03:22:15,870
in the community.

4568
03:22:15,870 --> 03:22:17,810
May I just ask a question?

4569
03:22:17,810 --> 03:22:21,590
How is the wording-- how is the communication drafted

4570
03:22:21,590 --> 03:22:24,710
to residents when they get this letter?

4571
03:22:24,710 --> 03:22:27,910
Is there a reference to the millage rate in that letter?

4572
03:22:27,910 --> 03:22:32,350
Or is there a reference to your taxes are going up by x?

4573
03:22:32,350 --> 03:22:33,770
Because they're still going up.

4574
03:22:33,770 --> 03:22:36,170
I mean, even if we get the same millage rate,

4575
03:22:36,170 --> 03:22:37,212
their taxes are going up.

4576
03:22:37,212 --> 03:22:38,628
Yeah, it will say that the taxes--

4577
03:22:38,628 --> 03:22:39,670
So what's the wording?

4578
03:22:39,670 --> 03:22:45,350
So even at 2.503, they're going to get a tax notice that says

4579
03:22:45,350 --> 03:22:47,300
they're getting a tax increase.

4580
03:22:47,300 --> 03:22:50,900
So to the regular person, who doesn't know necessarily

4581
03:22:50,900 --> 03:22:53,115
that the millage rate is being maintained the same,

4582
03:22:53,115 --> 03:22:54,490
they're going to be getting them.

4583
03:22:54,490 --> 03:22:56,173
For the last 30 years, they've gotten

4584
03:22:56,173 --> 03:22:58,900
a notice that says their taxes are increasing,

4585
03:22:58,900 --> 03:23:01,890
because we've never or very rarely ever gone to the rollback

4586
03:23:01,890 --> 03:23:03,650
rate.

4587
03:23:03,650 --> 03:23:06,770
We only went below the number of whatever

4588
03:23:06,770 --> 03:23:09,130
the mill rate that was set at any given

4589
03:23:09,130 --> 03:23:13,470
time, when the legislature forced it on us in--

4590
03:23:13,470 --> 03:23:18,870
I think it was 2008 that they forced a decrease.

4591
03:23:19,650 --> 03:23:23,210
I think what compounds our issue is really the fact that we've

4592
03:23:23,210 --> 03:23:25,610
made significant purchases lately,

4593
03:23:25,730 --> 03:23:29,690
and we've made other commitments with take-home vehicles

4594
03:23:29,690 --> 03:23:30,590
and stuff like that.

4595
03:23:30,590 --> 03:23:33,550
All that stuff is just all hitting us at the same time.

4596
03:23:33,550 --> 03:23:37,850
So to Council Member Greenberg, my first two years

4597
03:23:37,850 --> 03:23:42,500
doing this, maybe one or two people

4598
03:23:43,890 --> 03:23:46,540
had any interest in listening to Josi's presentation

4599
03:23:46,540 --> 03:23:47,280
about the budget.

4600
03:23:47,280 --> 03:23:47,920
This is true.

4601
03:23:47,920 --> 03:23:52,120
Or to have even good council discussion

4602
03:23:52,580 --> 03:23:55,780
about the intricacies of the budget.

4603
03:23:55,780 --> 03:23:58,988
When you came in last year was something that maybe we

4604
03:23:58,988 --> 03:24:00,280
should have been doing more of.

4605
03:24:00,280 --> 03:24:03,250
Now, it was extreme because there was extremely large budget

4606
03:24:03,250 --> 03:24:05,000
and that we really had to whittle it down.

4607
03:24:05,000 --> 03:24:08,420
But I relish that public input.

4608
03:24:08,420 --> 03:24:12,620
Yeah, people got angry, but the people

4609
03:24:12,620 --> 03:24:14,880
that cared, that wanted to know came and found out.

4610
03:24:14,880 --> 03:24:18,100
Listen, we had to discuss it a lot more amongst ourselves

4611
03:24:18,100 --> 03:24:20,200
and really come to some good decisions

4612
03:24:20,200 --> 03:24:22,940
on how to pare that down to the 2.5.

4613
03:24:22,940 --> 03:24:27,400
So I expect something similar, maybe less dramatic right now,

4614
03:24:27,400 --> 03:24:27,700
but--

4615
03:24:27,700 --> 03:24:29,750
It's not going to be as dramatic.

4616
03:24:29,750 --> 03:24:30,100
You know why?

4617
03:24:30,100 --> 03:24:33,320
Because what people tend to do when they get that notice,

4618
03:24:33,320 --> 03:24:36,460
it tells them what they're paying in the current year,

4619
03:24:36,460 --> 03:24:38,620
and with the increase, what they're

4620
03:24:38,620 --> 03:24:40,340
going to be paying next year.

4621
03:24:40,340 --> 03:24:42,360
And when they look at the total number,

4622
03:24:42,360 --> 03:24:48,670
if it's $20 more, $30 more, it's not a big deal to them.

4623
03:24:48,670 --> 03:24:50,470
What made it a big deal last year

4624
03:24:50,470 --> 03:24:55,270
was that we were going from a 2.4 or 2.39,

4625
03:24:55,310 --> 03:24:57,310
whatever, to a 3.78.

4626
03:24:57,775 --> 03:24:59,650
But just to be clear, we weren't going there.

4627
03:24:59,650 --> 03:25:00,817
We were having a discussion.

4628
03:25:00,817 --> 03:25:01,770
But we get paid.

4629
03:25:01,770 --> 03:25:03,890
But the tax, the notice they got showed--

4630
03:25:03,890 --> 03:25:04,890
To have this discussion.

4631
03:25:04,890 --> 03:25:08,510
The only thing we really have to do--

4632
03:25:08,510 --> 03:25:12,850
well, somebody said that we do get paid too much.

4633
03:25:12,850 --> 03:25:13,790
They do.

4634
03:25:13,790 --> 03:25:14,790
Follow the money.

4635
03:25:14,790 --> 03:25:17,350
They wanted their money back.

4636
03:25:17,350 --> 03:25:20,430
But the only thing we have to do all year

4637
03:25:20,430 --> 03:25:22,150
is have this discussion.

4638
03:25:22,150 --> 03:25:24,110
And that a citizen would be upset

4639
03:25:24,110 --> 03:25:26,750
that we're going to have a discussion on a budget

4640
03:25:26,750 --> 03:25:31,750
that we just got tonight, that we're leaving our options open,

4641
03:25:31,750 --> 03:25:34,150
would be a disqualifier.

4642
03:25:34,970 --> 03:25:36,730
I mean, we have to have this discussion.

4643
03:25:36,730 --> 03:25:37,910
It's our job.

4644
03:25:37,910 --> 03:25:38,410
I agree.

4645
03:25:38,410 --> 03:25:40,785
I just think we can have this-- you know what I'm saying.

4646
03:25:40,785 --> 03:25:42,785
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

4647
03:25:43,140 --> 03:25:45,810
I signed up to do my council workshop in August again.

4648
03:25:45,810 --> 03:25:47,560
And I'm going to maybe keep sending emails

4649
03:25:47,560 --> 03:25:50,000
about raising taxes, because it's an easy one.

4650
03:25:50,000 --> 03:25:53,253
I think the dialogue is helpful and fun.

4651
03:25:53,253 --> 03:25:54,420
So no, I do agree with that.

4652
03:25:54,420 --> 03:25:55,920
And I think it's a well-taken point.

4653
03:25:55,920 --> 03:25:57,800
Hopefully, Council Member Meyer and I

4654
03:25:57,800 --> 03:26:00,220
can enjoy a slightly more peaceful August than last year,

4655
03:26:00,220 --> 03:26:00,900
but maybe not.

4656
03:26:00,900 --> 03:26:02,230
I'll have my budget--

4657
03:26:02,230 --> 03:26:02,940
[INAUDIBLE] next year.

4658
03:26:02,940 --> 03:26:07,120
[INAUDIBLE] one week before our budget workshop.

4659
03:26:07,120 --> 03:26:12,700
So for those that come, which is usually Harry Speizer.

4660
03:26:12,700 --> 03:26:13,200
He left.

4661
03:26:13,200 --> 03:26:13,820
--Al Kramer--

4662
03:26:13,820 --> 03:26:14,320
[INAUDIBLE]

4663
03:26:14,320 --> 03:26:14,960
We have--

4664
03:26:14,960 --> 03:26:15,793
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

4665
03:26:15,793 --> 03:26:17,440
--will show up this year.

4666
03:26:17,440 --> 03:26:20,100
Joe remembers, and Ken, you were saying the same--

4667
03:26:20,100 --> 03:26:22,000
and Cindy out there, years ago, we

4668
03:26:22,000 --> 03:26:23,920
had these budget hearings, and Josi,

4669
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:27,950
on our final second reading or whatever.

4670
03:26:27,950 --> 03:26:28,720
We'd have two or three people out there

4671
03:26:28,720 --> 03:26:29,978
in the front row, that was it.

4672
03:26:29,978 --> 03:26:31,520
And I think the reason was, we always

4673
03:26:31,520 --> 03:26:33,760
kept the millage rate low.

4674
03:26:33,760 --> 03:26:34,700
Which it still is.

4675
03:26:34,700 --> 03:26:36,180
We fought to keep it down there.

4676
03:26:36,180 --> 03:26:38,140
And it still is there, as your chart shows.

4677
03:26:38,140 --> 03:26:38,940
So it's one of the newest in the county.

4678
03:26:38,940 --> 03:26:39,980
Yeah, exactly.

4679
03:26:39,980 --> 03:26:42,600
When you look at Coral Gables-- even

4680
03:26:42,600 --> 03:26:44,500
Palmetto Bay said there is now-- what is it

4681
03:26:44,500 --> 03:26:45,680
that I sent it to you guys?

4682
03:26:45,680 --> 03:26:46,180
26--

4683
03:26:46,180 --> 03:26:47,620
26--

4684
03:26:47,620 --> 03:26:48,120
269.

4685
03:26:48,120 --> 03:26:49,000
269.

4686
03:26:49,000 --> 03:26:50,140
2.9.

4687
03:26:50,140 --> 03:26:51,350
Isn't it 2.9?

4688
03:26:51,350 --> 03:26:52,100
I thought I read--

4689
03:26:52,100 --> 03:26:53,180
OK, 269.

4690
03:26:53,180 --> 03:26:55,580
The rate was 2.9-something.

4691
03:26:55,840 --> 03:26:57,560
So yeah, we're still lower.

4692
03:26:57,560 --> 03:27:00,780
So we've gone through the exact same process for over 30 years,

4693
03:27:00,780 --> 03:27:02,780
and we still have one of the lowest millage

4694
03:27:02,780 --> 03:27:04,500
rates in Miami-Dade County.

4695
03:27:04,500 --> 03:27:11,500
And so the reason that I voted to have the tentative rate

4696
03:27:11,500 --> 03:27:16,640
higher last year was that, after sitting here for 20 years,

4697
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:20,380
I would come into the budget process with the actual voting,

4698
03:27:20,380 --> 03:27:23,180
and say, I have no idea where people stand on this budget,

4699
03:27:23,180 --> 03:27:25,900
because nobody would come to this room.

4700
03:27:25,900 --> 03:27:29,380
John Steinbauer, Mr. Kramer, Mr. Speizer

4701
03:27:29,380 --> 03:27:31,000
would come and voice their opinion.

4702
03:27:31,000 --> 03:27:35,200
Three people out of 18,000 people would come.

4703
03:27:35,200 --> 03:27:36,460
Now, people want to come out when

4704
03:27:36,460 --> 03:27:38,830
the bulldozer hits the street, but nobody really

4705
03:27:38,830 --> 03:27:40,700
cared about the budget.

4706
03:27:40,700 --> 03:27:42,883
So I thought, like you thought, let's open it

4707
03:27:42,883 --> 03:27:44,500
up for a broader discussion.

4708
03:27:44,500 --> 03:27:45,492
Let's not limit ourselves down.

4709
03:27:45,492 --> 03:27:46,950
Let's put a number out there that's

4710
03:27:46,950 --> 03:27:51,572
maybe a little bit higher to give us latitude for discussion.

4711
03:27:51,572 --> 03:27:52,530
And that's what we did.

4712
03:27:52,530 --> 03:27:54,613
And it was a positive discussion we had last year.

4713
03:27:54,613 --> 03:27:56,722
And we learned a lot about what people thought.

4714
03:27:56,722 --> 03:27:58,430
And it's better than sitting in this room

4715
03:27:58,430 --> 03:28:00,870
alone, discussing it in a vacuum.

4716
03:28:00,870 --> 03:28:04,790
With that, Mr. McDonald, your traditional role

4717
03:28:04,790 --> 03:28:05,470
on the council--

4718
03:28:05,470 --> 03:28:06,830
Is to motion to adjourn.

4719
03:28:06,830 --> 03:28:07,670
To adjourn.

4720
03:28:07,670 --> 03:28:11,350
Mayor, if I may, this resolution not only

4721
03:28:11,350 --> 03:28:14,730
determines the proposed millage rate, but also the hearing date.

4722
03:28:14,730 --> 03:28:17,670
So just to confirm the two hearing dates that we had

4723
03:28:17,670 --> 03:28:20,910
previously discussed, but to ensure that you're available

4724
03:28:20,910 --> 03:28:22,370
as this cannot be changed after.

4725
03:28:22,370 --> 03:28:26,900
But this is for September 10 and September 22.

4726
03:28:26,900 --> 03:28:28,700
We do have it for 6:00 PM.

4727
03:28:28,700 --> 03:28:29,720
You can start as early as 5:01.

4728
03:28:29,720 --> 03:28:31,970
So if there's any changes that you would like to make,

4729
03:28:31,970 --> 03:28:34,350
this is the moment to.

4730
03:28:34,350 --> 03:28:36,350
September 10 and the 22.

4731
03:28:36,410 --> 03:28:38,520
I'm good on both.

4732
03:28:38,520 --> 03:28:41,960
And while you look at that, I was asked by the vice mayor

4733
03:28:41,960 --> 03:28:47,260
to just show you all that we did say, welcome to to Key Biscayne.

4734
03:28:47,260 --> 03:28:49,160
I was going to say the welcome to Pinecrest.

4735
03:28:49,160 --> 03:28:49,820
Key Biscayne.

4736
03:28:49,820 --> 03:28:50,520
I know.

4737
03:28:50,520 --> 03:28:52,160
Welcome to Key Biscayne, everybody.

4738
03:28:52,160 --> 03:28:52,280
Welcome to Key Biscayne.

4739
03:28:52,280 --> 03:28:53,140
That's where my head's at.

4740
03:28:53,140 --> 03:28:54,120
It's a great place.

4741
03:28:54,120 --> 03:28:57,340
These are hands delivered to people that move into Pinecrest.

4742
03:28:57,340 --> 03:28:59,600
The vice mayor takes them to their houses

4743
03:28:59,600 --> 03:29:01,600
and introduces them.

4744
03:29:02,460 --> 03:29:04,460
[INTERPOSING VOICES]

4745
03:29:04,800 --> 03:29:08,640
Does the vice mayor do repairs at their house, too?

4746
03:29:08,640 --> 03:29:09,740
Yes, he does, doesn't he?

4747
03:29:09,740 --> 03:29:10,940
I have a wasp nest in mine.

4748
03:29:10,940 --> 03:29:12,240
Can you get that out?

4749
03:29:12,240 --> 03:29:12,840
All right.

4750
03:29:12,840 --> 03:29:16,360
I mean, if you're nice to him, he's

4751
03:29:16,360 --> 03:29:19,480
going to pressure clean your sidewalk.

4752
03:29:19,480 --> 03:29:20,200
Mayor.

4753
03:29:20,200 --> 03:29:20,940
As long as you vote for him.

4754
03:29:20,940 --> 03:29:21,540
Yes, ma'am.

4755
03:29:21,540 --> 03:29:25,820
So are we good for September 10 and 22 at 6:00 PM.

4756
03:29:25,820 --> 03:29:27,700
No, as early as humanly possible.

4757
03:29:27,700 --> 03:29:29,700
So 5:01 for both meetings?

4758
03:29:29,700 --> 03:29:30,760
Is everyone available?

4759
03:29:30,760 --> 03:29:32,200
As early as 5 o'clock.

4760
03:29:32,200 --> 03:29:34,140
No, she said 5:01.

4761
03:29:34,140 --> 03:29:34,840
5:01, I said.

4762
03:29:34,840 --> 03:29:35,540
5:01.

4763
03:29:35,540 --> 03:29:39,260
If you schedule your budget hearing for a time certain,

4764
03:29:39,260 --> 03:29:42,600
and you don't vary from that, you

4765
03:29:42,600 --> 03:29:47,300
could have your council meeting prior to the budget hearing,

4766
03:29:47,300 --> 03:29:49,300
if you want.

4767
03:29:49,300 --> 03:29:50,780
Your regular council meeting.

4768
03:29:50,780 --> 03:29:51,780
Oh, my God.

4769
03:29:51,780 --> 03:29:53,560
But in September, we only have two set,

4770
03:29:53,560 --> 03:29:54,700
and that's both for budget.

4771
03:29:54,700 --> 03:29:56,200
No, but we're going to have to-- no,

4772
03:29:56,200 --> 03:29:58,220
one of the meetings in September is the council meeting.

4773
03:29:58,220 --> 03:29:59,400
The first one.

4774
03:29:59,400 --> 03:29:59,960
Oh, OK, the 10th.

4775
03:29:59,960 --> 03:30:00,652
Oh, I see what you're saying.

4776
03:30:00,652 --> 03:30:00,800
On the 10th.

4777
03:30:00,800 --> 03:30:03,500
So the meeting on the 8th, you will not have a meeting

4778
03:30:03,500 --> 03:30:03,620
on the 8th.

4779
03:30:03,620 --> 03:30:04,120
No.

4780
03:30:04,120 --> 03:30:04,360
No.

4781
03:30:04,360 --> 03:30:04,600
No.

4782
03:30:04,600 --> 03:30:04,840
Right?

4783
03:30:04,840 --> 03:30:06,693
We're not having a meeting on the council meeting.

4784
03:30:06,693 --> 03:30:06,846
No.

4785
03:30:06,846 --> 03:30:07,346
No.

4786
03:30:07,346 --> 03:30:09,440
So how do we avoid that?

4787
03:30:09,440 --> 03:30:14,620
Can we start the budget hearing at 5:01 and do a council meeting

4788
03:30:14,620 --> 03:30:17,980
at 3:00 to get that out of the way?

4789
03:30:17,980 --> 03:30:18,520
You can.

4790
03:30:18,520 --> 03:30:19,200
Yeah.

4791
03:30:19,200 --> 03:30:23,247
Because I mean, we don't want to dilute what would be--

4792
03:30:23,247 --> 03:30:25,800
we don't dilute the budget with the council.

4793
03:30:25,800 --> 03:30:26,520
We can narrow the agenda down.

4794
03:30:26,520 --> 03:30:28,455
Yeah.

4795
03:30:28,455 --> 03:30:29,800
Can we do that?

4796
03:30:29,800 --> 03:30:32,200
Anybody mind starting the council meeting on the 10th

4797
03:30:32,200 --> 03:30:33,390
at 3:00 PM?

4798
03:30:33,390 --> 03:30:34,550
It's OK with me.

4799
03:30:34,550 --> 03:30:36,970
Are you anticipating a long budget meeting?

4800
03:30:36,970 --> 03:30:39,390
I'm trying to remember back to--

4801
03:30:39,390 --> 03:30:40,390
did we have [INAUDIBLE].

4802
03:30:40,390 --> 03:30:41,650
We just introduced the budget.

4803
03:30:41,650 --> 03:30:43,670
It's taken three hours.

4804
03:30:43,670 --> 03:30:44,730
We started at 4:00.

4805
03:30:44,730 --> 03:30:46,730
It's 7:30.

4806
03:30:47,490 --> 03:30:50,710
I may have work commitments that day.

4807
03:30:50,710 --> 03:30:52,350
I'm OK [INAUDIBLE].

4808
03:30:52,350 --> 03:30:53,547
4:00?

4809
03:30:53,547 --> 03:30:55,630
4:00 would be better than 3:00, because at least--

4810
03:30:55,630 --> 03:30:56,950
Is that OK?

4811
03:30:56,950 --> 03:30:59,350
Yeah, I think so.

4812
03:31:02,190 --> 03:31:05,190
I know that's a vague--

4813
03:31:05,570 --> 03:31:06,690
If we do 4:00.

4814
03:31:06,690 --> 03:31:07,530
4:00 can be fine.

4815
03:31:07,530 --> 03:31:08,575
That's fine.

4816
03:31:08,575 --> 03:31:10,950
I would prefer that to 3:00, just because if I have to be

4817
03:31:10,950 --> 03:31:12,710
downtown for some stuff, it'll--

4818
03:31:12,710 --> 03:31:14,790
Yeah, I hear you.

4819
03:31:14,790 --> 03:31:15,730
Anybody else?

4820
03:31:15,730 --> 03:31:19,930
[CHUCKLES] I think 4:00 is a good compromise.

4821
03:31:21,610 --> 03:31:24,750
I will be glad to be back in the US.

4822
03:31:24,750 --> 03:31:26,750
No problem.

4823
03:31:26,990 --> 03:31:27,510
All right.

4824
03:31:27,510 --> 03:31:31,110
Mr. Mayor, before we adjourn, I wanted

4825
03:31:31,110 --> 03:31:36,320
to ask our new planning director to come to the podium,

4826
03:31:36,320 --> 03:31:37,900
so I may introduce him.

4827
03:31:37,900 --> 03:31:38,540
All right.

4828
03:31:38,540 --> 03:31:40,540
[APPLAUSE]

4829
03:31:43,400 --> 03:31:45,440
This is Joseph MacDonald.

4830
03:31:46,300 --> 03:31:51,560
So it's both Joseph Corradino and Jim McDonald put together.

4831
03:31:51,560 --> 03:31:53,960
The fabulous planning director.

4832
03:31:55,120 --> 03:31:56,840
Thank you very much.

4833
03:31:56,840 --> 03:31:59,400
And I'm very happy to be here.

4834
03:31:59,400 --> 03:32:02,400
My dad's name is Jim.

4835
03:32:02,440 --> 03:32:05,440
My last name has an extra vowel.

4836
03:32:05,440 --> 03:32:06,260
I'm a Mac.

4837
03:32:06,260 --> 03:32:07,560
I get that part.

4838
03:32:07,560 --> 03:32:09,795
Usually, we think of it as Scottish.

4839
03:32:09,795 --> 03:32:10,420
That's correct.

4840
03:32:10,420 --> 03:32:12,900
Except all my people came over from Scotland, Ulster.

4841
03:32:12,900 --> 03:32:16,340
And they dropped the A, 150, 200 years ago, but whatever.

4842
03:32:16,340 --> 03:32:18,140
I see you got the green pants on, though.

4843
03:32:18,140 --> 03:32:18,860
I do.

4844
03:32:18,860 --> 03:32:19,360
Thanks so--

4845
03:32:19,360 --> 03:32:20,120
Glad to be here.

4846
03:32:20,120 --> 03:32:21,600
And I appreciate that.

4847
03:32:21,600 --> 03:32:22,960
Yeah.

4848
03:32:22,960 --> 03:32:25,420
I'm looking forward to working with you.

4849
03:32:25,420 --> 03:32:26,420
Tell us about yourself.

4850
03:32:26,420 --> 03:32:26,920
Soon.

4851
03:32:26,920 --> 03:32:28,620
We didn't finalize this.

4852
03:32:28,620 --> 03:32:30,345
My address is currently [INAUDIBLE]--

4853
03:32:30,345 --> 03:32:31,470
You don't want the address.

4854
03:32:31,470 --> 03:32:33,470
[INAUDIBLE]

4855
03:32:34,210 --> 03:32:35,210
OK.

4856
03:32:35,210 --> 03:32:37,650
I'll be looking for a place as close to Pinecrest,

4857
03:32:37,650 --> 03:32:40,650
as I did that drive today, and it's very long.

4858
03:32:40,650 --> 03:32:42,650
Our previous planning director drove all the way

4859
03:32:42,650 --> 03:32:43,630
from Fort Myers.

4860
03:32:43,630 --> 03:32:45,900
I can't complain.

4861
03:32:45,900 --> 03:32:46,890
Does he inherit the car?

4862
03:32:46,890 --> 03:32:48,890
It seems hard.

4863
03:32:49,290 --> 03:32:52,890
I will be trying the [INAUDIBLE] train [INAUDIBLE]

4864
03:32:52,890 --> 03:32:54,550
tomorrow, just to see how that goes.

4865
03:32:54,550 --> 03:32:55,900
OK.

4866
03:32:55,900 --> 03:32:58,290
We'll have places to park your bike, don't worry.

4867
03:32:58,290 --> 03:33:00,970
But there will be signs [INAUDIBLE].

4868
03:33:00,970 --> 03:33:05,170
And both my master's from Florida State,

4869
03:33:05,830 --> 03:33:09,450
my doctorate from UNC Chapel Hill are in planning.

4870
03:33:09,450 --> 03:33:11,870
My undergrad degree is from Michigan, just like Steve--

4871
03:33:11,870 --> 03:33:12,550
Oh, wow.

4872
03:33:12,550 --> 03:33:13,670
--but in meteorology.

4873
03:33:13,670 --> 03:33:15,750
I went to Florida State to study hurricanes.

4874
03:33:15,750 --> 03:33:19,810
And I segued into natural hazard mitigation planning.

4875
03:33:19,810 --> 03:33:20,910
So I lived in Florida.

4876
03:33:20,910 --> 03:33:23,310
My family has a long history with Florida.

4877
03:33:23,310 --> 03:33:25,270
They wintered here for three generations.

4878
03:33:25,270 --> 03:33:27,430
So I'm very familiar with South Florida.

4879
03:33:27,430 --> 03:33:31,310
And we have some very good friends in common, Alex David

4880
03:33:31,310 --> 03:33:31,990
and Jerry--

4881
03:33:31,990 --> 03:33:32,730
Wonderful people.

4882
03:33:32,730 --> 03:33:35,350
I've known them for almost 20 years.

4883
03:33:35,350 --> 03:33:38,130
And I know several other planners in South Florida,

4884
03:33:38,130 --> 03:33:38,850
so I'm excited.

4885
03:33:38,850 --> 03:33:39,850
We're glad to have you.

4886
03:33:39,850 --> 03:33:40,750
Thanks very much.

4887
03:33:40,750 --> 03:33:41,250
Thank you.

4888
03:33:41,250 --> 03:33:41,750
Welcome.

4889
03:33:41,750 --> 03:33:42,370
Yeah, welcome.

4890
03:33:42,370 --> 03:33:44,230
Yeah, welcome to the team.

4891
03:33:44,230 --> 03:33:48,750
You got to see us in action with our mitigation requests.

4892
03:33:48,750 --> 03:33:49,250
All right.

4893
03:33:49,250 --> 03:33:49,430
Good.

4894
03:33:49,430 --> 03:33:50,210
All right, Mr. McDonald.

4895
03:33:50,210 --> 03:33:50,930
Again, Mayor--

4896
03:33:50,930 --> 03:33:52,138
You don't have anything else.

4897
03:33:52,138 --> 03:33:54,250
--I'm sorry, we finalized them for 9/10,

4898
03:33:54,250 --> 03:33:57,830
but I want to confirm for 9/22, for the record.

4899
03:33:57,830 --> 03:33:59,710
We are doing 5:01 then.

4900
03:33:59,710 --> 03:34:00,850
I would say so, yes.

4901
03:34:00,850 --> 03:34:02,500
OK, perfect.

4902
03:34:02,500 --> 03:34:03,950
All right.

4903
03:34:03,950 --> 03:34:04,950
So do you want to just--

4904
03:34:04,950 --> 03:34:05,550
I move to adjourn.

4905
03:34:05,550 --> 03:34:05,910
OK.

4906
03:34:05,910 --> 03:34:06,410
Yes.

4907
03:34:06,410 --> 03:34:07,750
Move to adjourn.

4908
03:34:07,750 --> 03:34:09,310
All right.

4909
03:34:09,310 --> 03:34:11,310
All right.

4910
03:34:12,300 --> 03:34:13,910
I'll feed us in.

4911
03:34:13,910 --> 03:34:14,552
Yes.

4912
03:34:14,552 --> 03:34:17,100
I thought you were going to send me So Long, Farewell song.

4913
03:34:17,100 --> 03:34:19,100
[SIDE CONVERSATION]