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Okay. Uh welcome everybody. This is
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the City of Vineland Chestnut Avenue
Safety Improvements and Rehabilitation

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Project in the City of Vineland,
Cumberland County, New Jersey.

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Repre- Representatives include Brian
Headley, the city engineer, Stephanie

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Weakley, the assistant engineer.
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Beth Grasso, that's myself from Pennoni,
we're the we're the designer lead.

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Charles Comer
Ca- Calimer?

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Sorry. Uh he's from GPI. Uh we
he is also one of the designers uh on

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the project and we have put this project
together but as a shared project between

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Pennoni and GPI.
And uh we have I'm not sure if Carol's

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there, but um from Envisions
um she has uh been leading the public

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involvement portion of the project.
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um

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I'd like to introduce our Spanish
interpreter.

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Are we good?
>> Yeah.

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» Good.
Okay. So,

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the project is funded with a 20% city
match to uh through the following

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sources.
Uh the city received a $20 million grant

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through the Safe Streets for All the
SS4A program

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uh from the Federal Highway
Administration and $2 million in federal

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community project funding.
This is the second PIC meeting, public

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information center meeting.
Since the first meeting

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back in September, it was September 11th
of 2025, the scope of the project was

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changed based on Federal Highway
guidance.

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So, we're going to talk about some of
those changes.

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Uh Pennoni Associates is a primary
engineering consultant and partnering

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with with Green and Peterson
Peterson uh GPI.

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The following process is typically
applied for our transportation

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improvement projects.
First, we evaluate the corridor. We come

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up with a plan.
We create the design, and then the

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project goes to construction. Right now,
we're in the design phase.

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Okay.
So, some of the things we'll discuss is

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the project location, the existing
conditions, the purpose and need for the

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project, the proposed improvements, the
project benefits, the next steps, and we

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will have a Q&A session at the end.
Please hold your questions to the very

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end. We will answer everybody's
question,

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uh but it's just uh more organized if we
answer the questions at the end and just

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continue going through the slideshow.
So, the project location is Chestnut

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Avenue between Delsea Drive Route 47 and
Main Road, that's CR 555.

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It's about 2 and 1/4 mi in length.

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The existing roadway is a four-lane
multi-lane highway with two lanes in

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each direction. Traffic signals are
outdated with obsolete timings and

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non-functional or limited vehicle
detection.

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There's uh damage to sidewalk and ADA
facilities,

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uh limited roadway and pedestrian
lighting, and stormwater infrastructure

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needs replacements or and or upgrades.

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Besides the condition of the pavement.
Um the asphalt pavement and striping is

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in overall poor condition.
The traffic signal equipment is outdated

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and timings are obsolete for current
traffic volumes.

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Uh missing and damaged sidewalk limit
limits ADA uh roadway users.

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Uh safety concerns are paramount with
the crash history showing significant

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numbers of crashes, crashes with
injuries and fatalities.

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The uh
proposed stormwater improvements will

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help mitigate flooding around along
Chestnut Avenue.

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So, the proposed improvement, we're
going to uh this is uh different than uh

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what we had presented back in um
September, which was at that time a road

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diet, which was going to be one lane
each direction with a center lane to

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make turns.
That has since been changed to convert

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the four-lane multi-lane highway into a
four-lane thoroughfare

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with 12-ft wide dedicated left turn
lanes at the signalized intersections.

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So, we're still going to upgrade the
traffic signals within in the corridor,

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and use uh new traffic uh signal will be
installed at South 3rd Street.

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We're going to install 5-ft wide
sidewalk and an 8-ft wide shared use

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path on the eastbound and westbound
sides of the roadway, respectively.

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It We're going to install ADA compliant
curb ramps, install upgrading lighting

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facilities for vehicles and pedestrians,
and we're going to do those drainage

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infrastructures updates. I want to uh
point to the photo or the this the

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um figure on the right-hand side
proposed roadway layout. I'm sure

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everybody's familiar with when you have
two lanes and you put in a center lane

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uh to to make that dedicated left turn,
you know, it'll give you a protected um

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left turn and improve safety.
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So, this is kind of a weird
push out picture, but uh, when you go

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from four lanes to five lanes, at the
intersection you're going to have to

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push out. So, you're going to
uh, convert the existing four lane

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between Southeast Boulevard and 7th
Street into a four lane thoroughfare

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with a center
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Uh, we're going to install mid-block
crossings with rectangular rapid

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flashing beacons at several locations.
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so, this is kind of representing what
what you would see

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um,
the widening. You've gone from the four

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lanes out to five lanes, and then you go
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So, dedicated left turn lanes are
anticipated to reduce the rear end and

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left turn crashes and act as an overall
traffic traffic calming mechanism.

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New shared use paths will separate
vehicular traffic from bicycles and

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pedestrians.
Optimized traffic signals are expected

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to enhance the travel time through the
corridor.

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Currently, people race through the
corridor trying to get to the next light

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without getting caught by the light.
This timing will be

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better, so there'll be a smoother flow
and there's no real reason to race down

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the street to try to hit the next light.

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So, the next steps, we are proceeding
with the final design plans. We just

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submitted our 60% plans.
We're going to develop our construction

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cost estimates and bid the project to
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prospective contractors.
We're going to enter construction with

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an anticipated
completion in fall of 2027.

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Stephanie, I believe that is pushed back
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» Yeah, we're looking to start
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of next year.
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» It's upcoming here.
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construction is anticipated in fall of
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» prior to fall, yeah.
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All right. And then, uh
just to let everybody know this

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meeting's been recorded and be available
for replay on the City of Violence

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website under the project
uh web page. There's the web page. It's

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really easy to find um on
uh Violence web page.

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Uh public comments will be accepted for
period of 30 days through August 20th of

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2026.
Uh kindly for- forward all your uh

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comments to Stephanie Weakley at
sweakley@bylasay.org

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and there's her phone number.
So, um if there's any questions, we'd

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like to address those.

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I'll leave this up on the screen if if
anybody's writing it down.

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» Would anyone Does anyone have any any
questions or comments that you'd like to

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share? Please raise your hand.

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Oh, um
Yeah, uh if anyone has any questions or

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any anything you'd like to share, please
do so now. Please raise your hand. I

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think you raised your hand first, so you
might sit down. And can you state your

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name and your address, please?
>> My name is uh Mr. Herrera.

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I'm from 105 West Cherry. That's
actually in between the Boulevard and

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Horse Street at that main intersection
where all this community transit comes.

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Um in the past, there's been a lot of
accidents there, a lot. Uh there's been

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a lot of deaths.
And I've actually lost my neighbor on

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Chester Avenue
uh November 15th, 1989, right there

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where the hospital is.
Um this is I I feel it's going to be

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something uh a lot better for us to have
here because there is a lot going on on

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Chestnut Avenue. Um everyone is racing
to get to a traffic light for no

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apparent reason of life other than for
their own sanity, I guess.

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Uh this is going to help a lot. I do
believe it's going to improve a lot

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what's going on, especially the
drainage.

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There is a lot of flooding on Chestnut
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the worst spot of all.
So I would say that I think this is a

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good plan to move forward with.
Um my question really is is there

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already a engineering drawing laid out
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Of the area at all?
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» Yes, the actual way actual way to
see it now.

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» Uh
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» Just more of like a a design plan that's
on the website.

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» Remember the link that goes with the
document you were

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» Um I'll look into that.
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Um
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did.
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» And state your name and address.
>> My name is John Basilie.

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I was the city engineer for the city
that did most of this work that is

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involved in this project.
So I have just a couple of questions. Is

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there going to be any widening of the
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» Beth, did you hear the question?
>> Something about widening.

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» Yeah, is the is the roadway going to get
widened?

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» It'll be
uh only in the areas uh where we're

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widening for left turn lanes.
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primarily.
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» The main width of the road is pretty
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» Yes.
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Yeah, it's going to be widened at the
intersections because we're creating a

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dedicated left turn
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» So it's lighting for that.
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And um
the reference to shared pathways

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between pedestrians and bicycles like
you know, that's not clear to me. Does

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that mean that the sidewalk is now going
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and no bicycles will be in in the
roadway? What does that mean, a shared

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pathway?
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That's a good thing but that's what it

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is.
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path
that is separate from the roadway which

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will accommodate both pedestrians and
bicycles. It'll be 8 ft wide and it'll

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be located typically on the west side of
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The east side of the roadway will have a
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that's out there.
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the north side.
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» Sorry, north and south. Yeah, you're
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» There won't There won't be a bicycle
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» There's no bicycle Yeah, there's no
bicycle lane in the roadway. The idea of

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the shared use path is so that the the
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» That's good.
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» One of the early ideas was having a
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traffic so I just want to make sure
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» Yeah, that's good.
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» I didn't hear anything about the
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once upon a time there was
I guess a design idea of putting some

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kind of a
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it's
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roundabout is not included.
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we we did look at that in the original
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don't have the right of way there to put
a roundabout. Uh I believe it's just

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going to be handled through traffic
signal timing improvements primarily to

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make that
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» a little more efficient.
>> So, the main thing that I'm getting from

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this presentation,
and and this is very important, and

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that's that Chestnut Avenue will
primarily still be four lanes wide all

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the way because that's why we made it
four lanes wide. When I started, it was

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two lanes wide and at rush hour, you it
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You couldn't get you couldn't get in and
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the volume of traffic, you can imagine
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25 years ago when I did it. Today, it's
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So, and and with the fire station there,
you know, you can't have a traffic

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problem and have a fire station in the
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» Yeah, we
>> That's a very good it's a very good

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amendment that you made.
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four or two in each direction as as well
as additional protected left turn lanes

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at the lights. Uh and then we have added
other pedestrian and bicycle safety

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improvements in the hope that these
crashes that have happened uh between

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pedestrians and also just the motor
vehicles general are reduced as part of

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this project.
>> And and obviously in the very beginning,

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uh there's no doubt that Chestnut Avenue
needs a complete rehab. I think the last

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time it had new asphalt was '96. So, if
you do the math,

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30 years, that's way past the expectancy
on a road of this

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level of volume of traffic. And of
course, school buses use it quite a bit

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as well.
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Are you to the point of designing the
thickness of the asphalt or how that

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final installation is going to be or you
still in the design part of just doing

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geometry?
>> Beth, you can correct me if I'm wrong,

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but we're we're at the end of prelim
we're

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» You know, I can hardly hear you because
I'm echoing in the stream.

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» preliminary engineering design. So, we
do have thicknesses proposed areas in

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some areas Chestnut does have a concrete
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» Yeah.
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either removing or replacing, but we are
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thickness. I don't have it off hand.
>> That's okay. I'm just wondering whether

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you already got to that point.
>> Yeah, we are we are there.

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» All right. All right, good.
>> And we did some

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we did do some coring samples and things
like that to test the sub base and

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obviously during construction if we have
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minor changes we will.
>> Yeah, you you shouldn't have find any

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surprises in Chestnut Avenue. We found
them all.

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» [laughter]
>> Saved us some time.

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» Huh?
>> Saved us some time.

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» Yeah, well, we widened it when when we
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you're going to find a lot of stuff. So,
we moved most of the utilities that

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could have been moved. Especially
between the railroad and Delcy.

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Cuz that that was very narrow. So, the
gas line and everything

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has been moved, but still
there's you might you never know what

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you might find, but we took care of most
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All right, very good. Well, I'm happy. I
mean, it's a big change from the

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beginning when this project first
made the news, you know, with two lanes

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and bicycles. I got a lot of phone calls
about you got to stop it.

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So, someone came to their senses.
>> Well, thank you for being here

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especially with your your history.
Thank you.

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Yes. Yes.
>> I wasn't sure where we're going to be so

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whether we were at two lanes or four
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cuz I wouldn't want anyone to ride a
bike down Chestnut Avenue. That would be

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very dangerous, I would consider.
>> So, it's good that we're separating

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we're separating them.
>> satisfied with with what I've just seen.

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» Thank you.
>> Uh I would say 2027 is an ambitious

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date, but go for it.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

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Does anyone else have any public
comment? Okay, please state your name

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and your address, please.
>> Michael Stern, Princess Lane, Vineland.

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Uh two questions. One, will the speed
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with the uh
improvements? And the second thing is

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there is a
uh an approval for a uh self-storage

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facility
on uh Chestnut Avenue. Uh is there going

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to be some
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accommodation for a D-cell lane, or you
don't think you need one

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with that particular project?
>> Uh for for the first portion, the speed

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limit will not be changing as I don't
believe so.

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» The speed limit is not changing as part
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the self-storage facility is is uh
towards the east side of the project,

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towards Main Road.
Um it does have approval. We're not sure

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of the timing.
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They did not propose a D-cell lane. I
don't believe it would be required.

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Typically, self-storage after
construction has a relatively low

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traffic count uh because people are
visiting at maybe once a week to the to

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their storage unit. Uh so, we're not
proposing any sort of D-cell lane for

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actually any of the uses along Chestnut
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» Thank you very much.

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» Okay, yes. Um please state your name and
your address, thank you.

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» Yeah.

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Lisa Fleming, 2100 Marsh River Parkway.
Um in Vineland.

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And I was just wondering uh how far are
the sidewalks and the the sidewalk and

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the
multi-use

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path, how far will they be from the
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And will they be like
it probably is going to vary as you go

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along the road, but
will be mostly taking room from

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the space between the sidewalk and the
curb or cutting more towards people's

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properties?
>> So, generally

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uh it will be cutting
further away from the roadway

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with so that there's a
vegetated strip between the curbing and

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the path um
that separation is important for us.

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Uh Chestnut has a 100-ft right-of-way,
so I will say there is a lot of

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private improvements that have creeped
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uh but what we're doing is we're
obviously doing our best to weigh those,

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but it will have a it varies obviously
the distance, but it's not going to be

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right up against the curb like you see
sometimes. That's not something we're

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looking to do here.
>> That's good. Thanks.

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Would anyone else like to Oh, yes, thank
you. Please state your name and address.

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» I'm Deb Marco, 728 Yale Terrace. Most of
the crashes on Chestnut Avenue have been

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pedestrian-related. Could you explain a
little bit more how people are crossing

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Chestnut Avenue, particularly like at
Valley and Main Road where the school

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is?

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» Sure. Um

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Do you want me to Beth, do you want to
handle that one? That's a little more in

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the details than than I know about.
Did you hear the question?

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» Yeah. We're adding uh the bus the
pedestrian paths

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uh will keep more kids on the sidewalk
rather than out in the roadway.

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Um especially if they're riding
bicycles, and all the crossings will be

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very well marked. We'll have um,
push buttons.

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So that the children can
can go across when the push button shows

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them the symbol to walk.
Um, and you know, uh,

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we're updating all the signals
accordingly.

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» We're doing lighting improvements as
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» Yeah.
>> Uh, and we have we have reached out

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to the crossing guards as well. So they
are

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they are along that path for a lot of
the walkers from the school and taking

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their concerns into consideration as
well.

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» And we're going to have several
rapid flashing beacons.

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» There are but there's no bump out
proposed at the intersection.

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Um, it's not wide enough for the bump
outs, right Beth?

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» Correct.
>> So, um, there's no bump out proposed but

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we do have the certain areas that have
flashing beacons.

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And then in general all of the light the
traffic signals will be upgraded

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so that they are better advertising when
a pedestrian should cross.

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Um, they provide the, you know, the
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the countdowns.
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just general visibility will be improved
through striping.

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And then better realignment for certain
crosswalks so that it would be more

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conducive to somebody using that. Cuz
the big issue I think we run into a lot

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um, with pedestrian crashes, pedestrian
vehicle crashes, is getting the

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pedestrian to utilize the crosswalk.
Sometimes I know we had this issue on

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Landis Avenue where if if they want to
cross

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in the middle of the roadway and there's
not a crosswalk it's difficult to design

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for that obviously cuz we can't
anticipate that and we obviously can't

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have the whole thing be pedestrian
crosswalk. So what we try to do is we

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try to improve the crossings that exist
to

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uh make them more I'll say user-friendly
for the individual, more inclined to to

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utilize those crosswalks to give them uh
the safest path from either the north

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side to the south side or or or
east-west along Chestnut Hill.

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» Um as Anatole mentioned, there's a lot
of aging infrastructure in Violand. Has

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everything been improved in that
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the time we have
>> paving projects and a year later they're

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digging it up because we have a water
main break or something like that.

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» We have been working uh very hard in
general across the city to make sure

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that uh we are following the water main
and sewer and gas uh with our paving

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projects, but yes, for this one
specifically, uh we have coordinated

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with water utility,
um South Jersey Gas. You might have seen

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them out there. They're They've been
doing improvements down the way uh for

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quite some time. Uh same thing with the
Landis Sewerage Authority. Uh they're

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aware and they're in the process of uh
TVing all their pipes to make sure their

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services are updated. So, yeah, we're
doing our best to prevent that.

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» We also also videoed uh storm sewer,
too.

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» I know you had another remark.
>> Okay, Lisa Fleming again. Um

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question about the crosswalks.
Actually, two.

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Is it
is there any thought to having the

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timing of the
pedestrian crossings be like total all

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the way around like
>> Like a separate like a third phase where

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it's just pedestrians crossing?
>> Yes.

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» Um we actually
ironically, we spoke about that today.

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Uh as of right now, we don't have a
separate uh pedestrian phase. Uh it's

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definitely something that we could see
if it's warranted based on our

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pedestrian counts, but right now it's
just the uh standard kind of

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uh
you know, you're going to where the

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traffic's going in your car.
>> Right. It It just might be good at the

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major intersections like at Main Road
and at um East.

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» Yeah. Yeah, we're working on that
balance, obviously, um for private. So,

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it's definitely something we can uh
continue to consider as we finalize our

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design.
>> And will there be any other crossings in

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between the intersections?
>> As of right now, we don't have any

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mid-block crossings. Uh for a road like
Chestnut, uh we we felt that to to do

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that would be um
would be fairly [clears throat]

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dangerous for a pedestrian.
>> Inviting problems.

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» It does cuz obviously it's four lanes of
traffic and um

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any mid-block crossing, even the one
with the best signage, uh is sometimes

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unexpected for a pedestrian. So, I know
if you drive down Landis, sometimes you

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don't expect them and it's a whole
different It's a whole different uh

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service. So, we we thought that there
were We felt there were enough crossings

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that uh it would be adequate to have
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intersections and primarily at
signalized intersections.

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» Okay.
Thank you. Um yes, you have a question

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or a comment.
>> Hi. My My name's Mike Di Stefano. Uh

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Rocque Funeral Service here in Vineland,
1110 Chestnut Avenue. We take up a lot

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of frontage between Valley and Evelyn on
there.

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Uh I know I'm a little late. I tried to
get on Zoom. I couldn't get on. But,

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I'm interested to know where the
existing sidewalk is

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on Chestnut going in front of our
building. Is that going to be moved or

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are you encroaching that far back or
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Do you have an existing sidewalk in
front of your

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» In front of the funeral home.
>> Yes.

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» All the way down.

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Mhm.
>> Uh

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and
you would know better. I It's out up

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against the curb, right? There's this
strip.

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» There's a grass strip, you know.
>> Uh that will be on the north side that

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will be revised to an 8-ft wide shared
use path.

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» Okay.
>> It'll be wider, so it will be moving

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inward.
Still on city property, obviously city

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property, but inward towards towards
your building.

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» Right. So, I don't know if you've ever
been by, but we have four large concrete

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pilasters with lanterns and the entrance
and exit are up our driveway.

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They We always thought it was our
property, you know, back that far from

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the center of the road.
But, what happens to those?

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» Well, we we've done our best if need be
to kind of jog

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uh that sidewalk to avoid any uh
moving any larger structures or things

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that we wouldn't really
>> Yeah, cuz I just had these put in not

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long I mean, we've been there since
1955, but I had them redone about 6

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years ago, I guess, and I made them all
concrete.

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» We
we

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» Okay. All right. That's a good thing. My
other question is the traffic light at

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Valley Avenue. You know, Valley's
offset. That's where a lot of accidents

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occur.
Um when we pull out taking leave on a

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funeral and we're leaving
the east-west

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side of Chestnut Avenue, that light we
timed it's about 19 seconds before it

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changes.
Are they Are they going to be elongated

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or anything to give more time
for that?

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» What we've done is uh
we're doing a full reevaluation of the

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signal and the signal timing and
obviously the signal itself is being

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replaced.
>> Right.

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» and updated. Uh so, based on our traffic
counts, obviously we can't always

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account for something like a funeral
>> Yeah, I understand they were fixed not

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long ago. They were retimed or whatever,
but we actually timed it several times

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pulling out of the funeral home with a
funeral procession and a lot of times we

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can't even get out of the driveway and
make it to the intersection before the

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light changes.
>> Yeah, we

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based on our traffic counts, we are
definitely looking

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at basically all of that corridor of
work

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as you know, if you go the wrong time
down Chestnut, you're hitting every

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» Every light. You Yeah, the timing is
>> So we are looking at timing

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coordination
>> Okay.

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» general traffic signal coordination.
You know, you're not going to get 100

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cars through the light, but we're hoping
that it'll be an improvement in general

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at the end.
>> Right. So with the new design given

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there's four lanes and a suicide lane, I
believe that's the plan.

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Okay.
>> No, four lanes and a left turn lane.

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» Yeah.
Okay.

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» We call it a center turn lane.
>> Right.

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» It's the word suicide.
>> Yeah, well, that's I'm old so that's

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what we used, you know,
>> [laughter]

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» that's a
>> They don't like that word too.

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» But is there is there any shoulder to
that between the roadway and the curb?

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Is that where the bike lane will be or
>> No, no bike lane. The shoulder's about 2

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and 1/2 ft wide.
The bikes will be on the multi-use path.

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» Oh, okay.
>> And as far as far as the signals, I'm

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sorry. As far as the signals go, the
existing signals that are out there,

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they they float like they're so old that
they don't like keep the timing.

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» Yeah, because I noticed this big change.
>> float from the original design. The new

432
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:18,520
signals will have it in
encoded and will perform much better and

433
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:24,680
they reset every day like to midnight.
So if they float by say 3 minutes today,

434
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:28,520
it'll reset at midnight. And the ones
now might be 3 minutes today, 3 minutes

435
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,480
tomorrow, 4 minutes the next day, 2
minutes the one after that and then

436
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:37,960
things start to float around.
So these will be improved.

437
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:44,000
One of the options for you at the
funeral home, I would think is if you

438
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:47,240
got the violin police involved and they
could probably just go into the box and

439
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,520
preempt
to let everybody out if you have that

440
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:53,000
much traffic.
>> notice that it there's always a rapid

441
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,920
change. One day it's longer, the next
day it's not. And it's just probably The

442
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,640
other The reason I asked about if
there's any

443
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:04,360
little bit of room between the curb and
the existing street. When we have a

444
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:08,880
snowstorm, we always clear our sidewalk
out there. Because we have all the

445
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,200
traffic from Memorial Veterans School.
The kids walking.

446
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:16,440
And a lot of places don't clear their
sidewalks, so they go out onto the

447
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:20,240
street. And when they do,
I said I can't even look out the front

448
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:24,280
door. Because all these kids are walking
in Chestnut Avenue and they tend to move

449
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:31,200
a little fast there. So hopefully this
will alleviate part of that. So.

450
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:38,160
Okay. All right, thank you very much.
>> Thank you so much for those remarks.

451
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:41,720
Would anyone else have any question? Oh.
>> I apologize. I have to step out for

452
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,640
another meeting at 6:00, but uh
Stephanie and Rick can handle any more

453
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,520
questions. Thank you guys for coming
out. We really appreciate it.

454
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,760
» There's another question.
>> Okay.

455
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,920
» Thank you.
>> You.

456
00:31:53,200 --> 00:32:00,720
» Cathy Malone, 622 South 4th Street. Um
two questions. That you just talked

457
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:05,000
about helping with the flooding that
happens. Is it going to be going to be

458
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,240
addressed at West and Chestnut as well?
Cuz it's like a pond over there when it

459
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:13,640
rains.
>> Yeah, we're We're evaluating all the

460
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:18,880
storm water. Uh there'll be a new basin
that we're going to be installing

461
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:24,280
um and we're adding inlets and replacing
pipes as appropriate to help eliminate

462
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:30,520
uh the flooding out there. The problem
is when you have uh no little to no

463
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:35,600
shoulder, um that that lane tends to
fill up with water. So we're trying to

464
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:40,080
put in more inlets to collect the flow
instead of having it bypass the inlets.

465
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:44,240
and we're trying to upsize our our our
pipes to be able to convey the flow

466
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,640
without a backup. But yeah, we
definitely see in our modeling, we

467
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,320
definitely see there are problems out
there.

468
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,440
» Yeah, cuz it's not a shoulder issue.
It's the whole road all both lanes are

469
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,760
flooded.
>> Yeah, understood. It's the whole thing.

470
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:02,600
Some of the systems are undersized.
>> We're going to make into a basin. We own

471
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,680
that one corner across from Rex.
>> Oh, perfect.

472
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,880
» Which corner is
>> This southwest corner.

473
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Say that again?
>> At West, West and Chestnut.

474
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,760
» It's like an open basin.

475
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,480
» Yeah, cuz it floods there a lot. My
second question is we have a proposed

476
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:26,320
start date of June of 20
2027.

477
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,320
Do we have an estimated completion date?

478
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,600
» Um
>> Uh

479
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,200
possibly around 300 days past that start
construction.

480
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,520
» About what?
>> 300 days.

481
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:43,080
» Okay, so about a year.
Almost a year. Okay, this just so I have

482
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,080
an idea. Thank you.

483
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,720
I think we need to take a new question
over here and then you next. Okay.

484
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:55,480
Thank you.
>> Are you done?

485
00:33:51,200 --> 00:34:00,320
» Marcos Diaz, 724 East Chestnut Avenue.
In those 300 days that you guys going to

486
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:04,040
be working in that area,
most of the business, I own a business

487
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,960
over there, is going to be really
affected by the construction. So, how

488
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,560
does the city any plans for the business
that practically is going to be closed

489
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:15,040
on those days?
>> So, we're going to try and keep the

490
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:19,639
roadway open the entire time. It'll just
have lane closures here and there.

491
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:25,200
Uh but the contractor will coordinate
with the businesses or residents if

492
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:28,639
there is an actual road closure.
>> Did you have another remark?

493
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:35,159
» Anatol Vassiliev again, just a comment
about the flooding.

494
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,879
I don't know if uh your company has
videoed the drainage system at all,

495
00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:43,159
but
typically

496
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:48,040
uh our systems in violent get full of
trash very quickly.

497
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:53,280
In my day, we had two crews that did
nothing but clean out drainage systems.

498
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:57,560
That was usually very effective.
And I don't know if the city still does

499
00:34:55,200 --> 00:35:02,960
that. Uh a lot of things have changed
since I left, but uh many times a

500
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:08,000
drainage system will flood because it's
half full of trash, debris, sand, and

501
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,600
all the other stuff cuz it has no place
to go

502
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:16,360
literally when it gets in there. So, I
would just tell everybody and and

503
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:21,720
don't know how much you've communicated
with the city, but you should ask the

504
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:27,120
city to clean it out first, then video
it, or at least be aware of all these

505
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:31,920
trash problems cuz the systems under
Chestnut Avenue were uh very adequate

506
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:36,120
for for many years after we installed
them, there was virtually no flooding.

507
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:40,320
But, that was 30 years ago. A lot of
things happen in 30 years. But,

508
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:44,640
especially the intersection of Chestnut
and West,

509
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:49,840
that used to be a pond, but there's a
very big system underneath there. But,

510
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:54,400
as I drive by, I always see the inlets
are full of trash, stuff stuck in them,

511
00:35:52,840 --> 00:36:00,080
branches are stuck in them. Well, you
know where that goes? Not too far. It

512
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:04,800
goes a few feet in there, and that plugs
up the effectiveness of the system. So,

513
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:08,560
I would just repeat,
make sure you contact the city and see

514
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:12,200
what they can do about cleaning them
out. It's free.

515
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,800
That's what they do for a living, or at
least that's what they used to do for a

516
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:21,400
living. So, before you design
a much bigger system, just make sure

517
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:24,880
that the one you have is working.
This is my two cents.

518
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,560
» Okay, understood. We have
uh already had the system cleaned and

519
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:34,280
videoed.
Uh the undersizing is because the storms

520
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:38,720
that are regulated now
are much larger than the storms that

521
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:44,760
were regulated 20, 30 years ago.
So, just in our our calculations and

522
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:49,920
modeling, um we have to design to a
larger frequency storm

523
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:54,240
um than what they did 30 years ago.
That's why it says the systems are

524
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,240
undersized.

525
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,800
Some of the systems.
Not all of them.

526
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:03,360
» My name is Pedro Varela. I live in
Chestnut and Fourth Street.

527
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,640
I'm sorry.

528
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:13,960
» The uh
system that's that's there now is um

529
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:20,400
there's one on each side. On the south
side, it's like a five, six uh pipe

530
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:24,600
manifold perforated system. And uh we
have recently had uh

531
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:29,560
uh emergencies there because the system
has failed. Um

532
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:34,600
the system is silted up. Um so, that's
going to need rehabilitation. So, that's

533
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,600
going to be an important one.

534
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:43,320
» Uh my name is Pedro Varela. I live uh
Chestnut and Fourth Street.

535
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:49,240
Uh my question is the new sidewalks are
going to be built by all by concrete?

536
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:53,120
Uh because in my section, there is a
part concrete and a lot of strip of

537
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:58,200
grass
and some small trees along

538
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:02,960
along the the way.
And uh the new sidewalks is going to be

539
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:07,160
all concrete?
Uh without the trees

540
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,840
and no grass?
>> And we will have concrete sidewalks. Um

541
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:16,280
and what was the address again?
>> Uh Chestnut and Fourth Street.

542
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,440
» Oh, over on Fourth Street?
>> Yeah.

543
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:22,840
» I'm familiar with that area. There are a
lot of homes on the corner

544
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:28,000
um going eastbound
on the north side,

545
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:33,160
um going halfway up the block to about
418 Chestnut Avenue, there is no

546
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:36,360
sidewalk there. There's a There's
actually people walking through there

547
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,880
all the time.
There is I've actually seen flooding

548
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:46,240
also spillage both flows coming out of
this this well, so it's probably the

549
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:50,440
reason why there's a sidewalk there is
because there's part of the system still

550
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,480
remain from over there prior to the
construction of Chestnut Avenue many

551
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:59,040
years ago.
So, there's a lot of flooding there.

552
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:03,360
» Uh, my other question is that the
Why you doing the pave

553
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:08,880
all the sewer section, all the sewer
system are going to be

554
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:12,320
uh, updated? I
Somebody's going to make sure that

555
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:17,880
everything is doing
the way it's supposed to before you pave

556
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:21,560
because when I receive a letter, it was
saying that

557
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,080
uh, if there is any problem with the
sewer system through from your house to

558
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:30,320
the
sewer system,

559
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:34,200
once it's paved, you cannot do anything.
>> Correct. Yeah, you're you're talking

560
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,840
about just for like utility.
>> Yes.

561
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,080
» Correct. Yes. So, if if you need to make
any upgrades, I I would suggest doing it

562
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,360
now.
Um,

563
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,360
or in the near future.

564
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:53,360
Um,
>> Oh, okay. Thank you.

565
00:39:51,520 --> 00:40:00,840
» Thank you.
Does anyone else have any questions or

566
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,840
any comments? Okay, yeah.

567
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:12,200
» Starting on Chestnut Avenue, there's a
drainage ditch that goes

568
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:17,720
to Walnut Road, then it continues to the
Boulevard and

569
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:24,280
continues after that. Is there any plan
to utilize that

570
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:27,640
in water retention or water disposal
from Chestnut Avenue?

571
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:35,560
» We cannot We cannot increase the flow to
that particular location.

572
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,160
We have to match the discharge that we
have now.

573
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:46,720
So,
we do discharge to the the existing

574
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:50,160
system discharges to that particular
uh ditch,

575
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,640
but we cannot change the amount that
we're discharging to that ditch.

576
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,120
Without a permit.
Yeah.

577
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,360
» Thank you.
>> Is that located?

578
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:05,760
» It's um
Tarmac Branch or something? Tar

579
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:09,840
It's uh
It comes across the near the railroad

580
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,960
and Chestnut.
And then it goes behind

581
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:19,880
um
the homes on Chestnut. And like you

582
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:26,520
said, out to Walnut and then eventually
flows into the uh

583
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,520
What's the name of the branch there?

584
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:32,680
Not Blackwater.
I'm sorry. I'm drawing a blank.

585
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:41,360
But yes, we we are not looking to put
any more water there.

586
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:49,960
» Okay. Does anyone else have any
questions or any comments you'd like to

587
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,960
share?

588
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:55,480
No?
Oh, okay. Yes.

589
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:59,960
» Uh regarding our property on Chestnut
Avenue where our parking lot is, uh this

590
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:04,160
was built before it was required to have
runoff and spillage. So, we actually at

591
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:08,600
the end of our driveways at the entrance
and the exit, we had the drainage basins

592
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:13,520
which would run out onto the pipe that
went by Chestnut Avenue.

593
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:16,760
About 6 7 years ago, we had a sinkhole
develop in one of our gardens. We didn't

594
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,680
know what it was from.
So, I called GE Mechanical, they came

595
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:23,320
over.
Uh they dug it up and they went down

596
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,160
there with a camera and they said where
it runs out to the terracotta pipe

597
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:30,960
along Chestnut Avenue, which was
installed many years ago, the terracotta

598
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:34,760
pipe is collapsing.
So, they said what's happening is your

599
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,720
spillage is going in there, going
directly in there and it's and it has

600
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:43,800
nowhere to go, so it's backing up cuz we
were getting a flood out by the end. So,

601
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:47,760
they said um I would just pave over it
in your parking lot, over that one,

602
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,440
and then just let it run out. And I
called the city and I spoke with the

603
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:56,160
mayor's office and I I said I would
appreciate it if if a city engineer

604
00:42:53,320 --> 00:43:00,640
comes out and signs off on this because
if our runoff from our parking lot

605
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:06,680
floods Chestnut Avenue from our
location, 1110, down to Evelyn Avenue,

606
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:09,600
and it creates a danger in that in that
lane,

607
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,440
I don't want to get blamed for that. So,
I had two people come out and everybody

608
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,840
agreed that was the simplest solution.
They said eventually they'll fix that

609
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,760
portion of the pipe, but they don't know
when.

610
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:24,120
So, that I do know cuz they went under
there with cameras and they looked and

611
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:27,400
the terracotta pipe that's out there is
completely disintegrating. It's

612
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,680
insufficient, they told me.
So, I just wanted you to be aware of

613
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:34,000
that.
>> Thank you. Any terracotta pipe would be

614
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,640
replaced automatically.
We do have corrugated metal pipe that

615
00:43:35,720 --> 00:43:42,640
needs to be replaced also because that
is also at at end of its design life.

616
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,160
So, we will be replacing pipes in the
street.

617
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,400
» And anyone else?
>> I'm sorry, that's a What What was the

618
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:55,200
address?
>> 1110 Chestnut Avenue.

619
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:58,720
» 1110 East Chestnut Avenue.
>> Okay. And And the pipe is actually in

620
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,360
Chestnut.
>> Yeah, it's in Chestnut and everyone's to

621
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,000
Valley Avenue.
>> It runs to Valley Avenue at the

622
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:08,120
intersection there.
>> Okay, thank you. We'll double-check

623
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,120
that.

624
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:16,680
» Does anyone else have any comments that
would they they would like to share or

625
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,680
any questions?

626
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,080
No?
Okay. Thank you.

627
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,880
» Okay.

628
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:36,320
I will end the recording.
Uh and then if anybody else comes in and

629
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:41,960
has some questions, we'll turn the
recording back on. It's currently 6:50

630
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:46,200
uh sorry, 5:52
and I'm going to stop the recording.

631
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,200
Thank you.

632
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:56,200
» Thank you all for coming out tonight. We
really appreciate your feedback and your

633
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:02,560
questions.
Oh, hey everyone. When you came in, we

634
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:06,280
we actually gave you a survey. So, if
you'd like to fill it out and give it

635
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:10,440
back to us, we will be factoring that
into

636
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:13,960
our the design going forward.
Although,

637
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,960
what