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We ready to go, Tony?

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OK, we ready.

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All righty guys.

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Welcome, welcome. It is 8.

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30 umm.

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Say 30 on the dot according my watch.

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So I am Mayor Zach Stratton. We're going to go ahead and get started.

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Usually I'm pretty good at getting someone to say the opening prayer and pledge, but you have a volunteer is anyone?

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Please come.

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All right, come on down.

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Love it.

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So prayer first.

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And then we'll do Pledge of Allegiance and then.

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Guess what?

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You get a pen.

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I don't need it. I have one. All right. You already got one. OK, Sounds good.

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Just so everyone's aware, like.

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I don't believe it, but like.

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Nomination. So you're, you're good.

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Father.

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First and foremost.

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I give you the glory.

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Tonight. Tonight.

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1st thank you for answering my prayers.

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I've prayed for.

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Fingers for somebody.

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Years and I'm so grateful tonight.

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For the Flyers that made it into the hearts of our neighbors.

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Our friends and our community who truly want change.

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Father. I asked.

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Forgive this for not stepping up.

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I pray that.

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Those who speak tonight.

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We'll speak from her heart.

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And what April is true?

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Father I'm grateful for.

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My brothers and sisters in Christ.

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Who truly want change for the better for our families.

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So that we can remember the easy things that you've taught us to serve our neighbors.

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To love her neighbors.

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Do you even love our enemies?

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And while we're not sure.

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Pray. So I pray that tonight.

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Even if it's just one person.

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Brings you closer for guidance.

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He can praise.

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In the name of.

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Joey.

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My teacher.

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Friend and neighbor and everything that I need, I pray in this mighty and sacred name.

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Amen. Amen. Thank you.

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OK, let's do the Pledge of Allegiance.

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You actually I pledge allegiance to the flag.

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And to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God. God.

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Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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OK.

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It is standing room only tonight. I love it.

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OK. Couple of things is.

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I wanted to.

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Just kind of lay some.

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First off.

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Thank you so much for that prayer.

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I think it really captured the spirit.

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And I hope that.

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As I speak for the next couple of minutes, you guys will understand my heart.

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We're all dealing with the situation.

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That by and large, we didn't inherit.

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But we want to fix it.

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And as we go throughout this meeting and we go throughout this work session and the Council deliberates.

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I ask.

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That we seek to understand and to be understood.

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I think that's really, really important in this situation.

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As the mayor, the good thing?

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In this new form of government, one of the.

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One of the best parts about it is I don't have a vote.

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But I can put things on the agenda.

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And so my commitment to the community.

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Is as long as.

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The community feels that we need to put this on the agenda, to keep discussing it and tweaking it and whatever the outcome is.

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That's my commitment, that we will keep working at this.

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I ran a campaign on two things.

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Really two things. First was the lower property taxes and second really was to fix this parking issue.

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And this issue didn't.

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It didn't happen overnight.

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But we are going to do everything we can, and we're going to.

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What I'm trying to say is it's going to take a.

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Probably gonna take a minute to fix it, but we are.

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Gonna My commitment is we're gonna keep working at it.

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So a couple things.

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There will be time for public comment.

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But I.

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I've thought about this and we're gonna.

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I want to. I think it'd be in.

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Important in the spirit of seeking to understand and be understood.

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To have some deliberation with counsel first.

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And so people can kind of see the process that we're thinking.

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And then?

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Comment afterwards. We haven't had really a good opportunity I feel like.

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Especially with this many people here to kind of talk.

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As a council, the council to talk and.

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The process through it.

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I'm gonna be. I'm really gonna have to, probably.

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I'm a my type of leadership and how I run meetings. I'm pretty free flowing, but I think tonight we might have to run it a little

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tighter than I do in the past.

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And so how it works is if there's a comment.

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I ask you to direct it to the chair of the meeting, which is the mayor.

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So directed towards me.

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I'm gonna ask. They're gonna hold their comments till the end.

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And we're going to kind of work through this, but I promise that.

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This will not be the first time we discuss this problem.

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I again.

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I want to fix two things.

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I want to fix the property taxes here. I am so mad about those OK personally.

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I feel that a lot of.

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I'm not going to get into it.

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That's a whole and everyone. It's the.

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We're all ticked off.

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OK, I'll stop there.

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The second thing is we've got to get this parking right we've.

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Gotta get our city back. We've got to make this place livable.

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So, and there's going to be a process and again this.

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This didn't happen overnight.

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And I.

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Ask for your patience and work with us and.

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As we go through this process.

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Is working good faith.

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So I have the sheriff's here. We got two of them.

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Hold on. Thank you for coming back from Saint George last night to be here.

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Holden is awesome.

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Love them, they're awesome, they take great care of us.

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I've seen you guys around a lot today. You've been dealing with a lot of stuff.

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OK, it's been.

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It's springtime.

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Oh, there we go.

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OK, there we go. So.

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All right with that.

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As we as we go with Council, a couple things I ask. Let's stick on the topic.

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Let's keep our comments brief and to the point.

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And it is 8:30. I'm sure a lot of us have babysitters and we got.

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Work to get to in the morning.

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So, uh.

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But this is important to have this discussion, so I'm going to start with Councilman, Councilman Mccumber.

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To my left.

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Parker is going to chat about.

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Some things that.

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We need, we need to get going right away. So go ahead, Parker.

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First and foremost, I'm.

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I would like to express my gratitude that so many of you have shown up tonight.

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One of the things that.

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He told me I need to be louder.

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I'm pretty loud, David.

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OK.

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One of the things that I've.

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Habitually commented on.

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Was that we need as much public participation as possible.

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So that we can make the most informed decisions and capture the most perspectives that's necessary for informed decision making to

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happen.

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I am excited.

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To let you guys know.

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Well over the last 48 hours or so since our Tuesday evening meeting.

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I want you guys to know.

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I haven't slept. We have worked literally around the clock to build consensus as a council.

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I want to give a special thank you to Ezra Nair for working with me over the course of the last couple days.

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To get.

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Immediate solution in place to help you right off the bat and I want to present that to you real quick.

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We have.

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A resolution that we.

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I'm just going to let you guys know what it is now in the work session that can be discussed briefly.

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But it will.

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Pass on Tuesday.

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And in short, the resolution is the Council directing the immediate towing.

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Of vehicles that are parked illegally.

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So if you're parked within 30 feet of a stop sign, if you're parked on a red curb or you're parked in front of a.

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Fire hydrant.

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You will get an immediate tow order.

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The intent behind that is to create an immediate solution that bolsters the safety in your neighborhoods.

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I hear your.

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Concerns and complaints loud and clear when you come and you tell us about the low visibility and I drive those streets and I see

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what you guys are experiencing and I'm.

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I want that to be fixed because I want our kids to be safe.

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So on Tuesday.

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I expect that that will.

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Passed as a consent item with flying colors and that will immediately go into effect and I think that that will solve.

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A lot of the low hanging fruit when it comes to safety.

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I know that this is really a root cause.

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Stemming from.

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Over occupancy.

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We are still planning to move forward with Operation Neighborhood Shield and developing the city's code enforcement protocol to

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actually help get that in check.

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Long term, but this is something we can do immediately.

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To make the streets safer.

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I did also want to comment.

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On some of the emotion in the conversations that I've observed and participated in in the last.

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48 hours.

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And I want to make sure that.

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You guys understand?

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That we're trying to.

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Not make decisions in a vacuum.

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And that no one on this Council.

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Is here to be your enemy or prevent.

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Representing you.

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I recognize that there are some heated opinions when it comes to.

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Those perceptions.

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And there's a large group of people that support.

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Increased parking.

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I don't know what the.

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Parking policy.

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And those parking passes?

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That actively campaigned against many of us up here now.

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And are frustrated at our involvement and so I want to comment on this that I.

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100% recognized.

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You guys have been.

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Working with Ezra not just over the last two months when it came to.

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Parking policy.

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But many of you were.

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With him during the campaign.

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And you support him, and you trust him, and you know him.

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And I want you to know that this was not.

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There was number intentional slight to him or to you.

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When we appointed Jacob Wood to be over this.

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The reason that we appointed that and I hope that you guys can.

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Maybe look at this understand.

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Was that Jacob was already very involved.

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With trying to figure out parking and towing situations when it came to the lakefront neighborhood and those HOA's.

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He was already very well versed with the contracts that were in place.

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And so it seems.

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To us as a natural extension.

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To put him in charge of that process.

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And at the time we were not aware, at least I wasn't, I don't think consciously aware that you guys had.

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Your group that was already meeting with Ezra and that had a consensus there.

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That wasn't information that I was.

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Privy to I don't believe.

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So.

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I want to get to know we are not trying to work against you.

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We genuinely want to make the streets safer. We want to help you out with this.

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Some concerns that I want to bring up that I hope as you guys.

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Share in your public comments and that as you break off into your.

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Neighborhood sessions in a few minutes.

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I would like you to consider these things.

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I ran on.

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Also tackling the taxes and balancing the city budget, making sure that we were operating from a fiscally responsible.

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Position.

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One of my concerns that we're really working through right now and.

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I apologize, Evans, not here.

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Maybe comments on this with me?

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Is that over the course of the next three years we have an 8 figure deficit when it comes to our transportation budget?

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To be very blunt, the city does not have a lot of excess funds to create programs.

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I would like you to consider.

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Your willingness to.

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Adopt A fee that would support your parking passes if you choose to proceed with that.

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2nd.

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Representation and real consensus and.

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My concern here.

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Is that?

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We as a Council.

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While we want to help you and we want to make the streets safer.

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We have an obligation to protect the rights of.

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Even minority groups.

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And people that you may not agree with.

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That kind of.

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Builds into my.

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Next thought if I were to tell you that I think taxation is theft.

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Most of you would say, but who would pay for the roads?

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And the conversation that we're having.

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Just to be very blunt.

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Is we're talking about limiting access?

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To something that these people's tax dollars are paying for.

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And I think that that needs to be very heavily scrutinized.

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So I would like to share this thought as I.

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Spoke.

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For many hours with our city's legal advisor over the course of the last two days.

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Something that he shared with me is a best practice in all governance. Is that a?

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Council does not.

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Act unless it has sufficient reason to do so.

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So I want to ask you all to please continue to engage your neighbors.

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And build as much community involvement in consensus in this as you can.

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Make it undeniable for us to help you.

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I think it's all my good point about it. That's good.

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Already we're going to jump now. We're just going to jump to the parking permit overview, if that's all right. Yep.

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OK, let's jump jump to it and.

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Yeah, so no.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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We need to go and educate you guys on what you're going to be experiencing tonight.

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And understand the code that is currently written in our city code.

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Currently when this was put in place.

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2-3 years ago.

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There was only one.

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Way of telling.

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The entities that put that in are the neighborhoods that put that in.

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Went down that road.

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And repealed it and didn't want it.

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And so when that and you'll hear from them tonight about that and there are many different options.

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In towing and you're going to be learning about those about and and all of your neighborhoods are very different.

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But as as the code currently states, it states that there is.

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By required by city code.

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There needs to be a vote of the citizens of the neighborhood and it currently says it's 75% that a survey would go out.

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So it's because that code is a little bit different and outdated.

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We need to talk to the council as to what's going to happen so tonight.

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After we're done educating you on.

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A lot of various options. You guys are going to be broken up into four groups.

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The code also states that a group of citizens.

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Could put together that plan. Well, there isn't a plan yet in the four of your neighborhoods, so you guys need to put together a

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plan.

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In order to do that.

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We need to have a leader of that.

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Plan right And so.

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So tonight you guys are going to be selecting a leader.

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But also going through and we want you to know the different options so when you talk to that leader.

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You're going through and saying.

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Well, what, what options are you planning on if you're going to be my leader?

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Even at the end of today, that leader isn't going to just be saying, hey, I'm the leader and we're doing this and we leave today

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on the planet.

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Because it has to come back to.

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The code.

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Between here.

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And next Tuesday, because we have to follow sunshine laws and transparency laws.

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We will be working with David Kyle.

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And our legal counsel to make sure that we have a fair and equitable due process of how to vote.

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Should we see?

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Stay at the survey like we're handing out a QR code.

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It says the residents.

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What does that mean? Is that one per household?

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Does that mean we're giving out QR codes? Does that mean they can come to the office and vote?

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It's not a great code that's written through that.

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So because this is spraying on us and we were challenged on a Tuesday to meet on a Thursday.

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We will be going through and working through that vote and that.

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Process. Umm.

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So when you guys come back to that?

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Now, having said that tonight.

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Your leaders after learning everything.

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Might need more than two or three days to put together your plan.

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In fact, we stress that because there are so many moving parts, right? So that does not mean you have to. Now there are some

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people in this group.

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That might say, look, we're ready to go.

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Where, you know, one neighborhood in particular says, hey.

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We know what we want, we know all of the options, and we're ready to go.

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But make sure you know as a group.

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Does that mean that as you go and grow that consensus that you would be able to go and get that?

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That percentage to vote to do.

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To actually implement your plan. Does that make sense?

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OK. And I also and so tonight, so that's the process a Tuesday we would vote on how we would collect that neighborhood vote.

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So tonight.

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Moving towards the agenda Jacob would is going to spend the time going through.

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All the different things.

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And auctions in towing.

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Thank you.

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All right, Jacob one.

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Go through this. Yeah. Was everybody able to get a packet? There should be packets in the packet. We run out of packets.

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One second, we have some more. OK.

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So on the package, there's three options for the type of.

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Parking permits you want you want digital?

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Et cetera. So I'll go through that.

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So first of all, this is not going to be a decision made by counsel.

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This needs to be decided by you and your neighbors. This needs to get buy in from your neighbors as well.

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Because this is going to be a significant change.

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So I want you to take the time to really think through these.

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Go through these permit plans in detail.

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And I'm going to try to be as detailed as I can.

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So I put all this in a packet.

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I'll just wait hard, but I can.

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Get access to a package. Did you get one man?

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Some of the options.

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And then you guys can select.

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Which would be best for your neighborhood that you?

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Want to go through this so at the end of this.

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We're going to hear from a few people who have.

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Have had experience of parking enforcement.

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Including HOA experience.

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And residents who currently live in neighborhoods with parking permits as well.

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Share their experience with it SO.

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The first slide, can you all hear me?

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OK. Thank you.

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So you're gonna have to decide the permit type.

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So there's two different permit types. You have a digital.

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Parking permit.

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Usually that's linked to your license plate.

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I mean it's managed online or by app.

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Or you have a physical parking permit.

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And that's physically displayed on your car.

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And then usually they have a unique.

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Barcode attached to that permit.

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So you need to decide you want a physical parking permit or do you want a digital?

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Parking permit.

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When it comes to enforcement options, there's many options. So this company does ticketing.

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Basically, uh.

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Instead of towing or booting, just taking your car, you have to pay between 75 to $100.

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And we have booting.

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I'm Utah State, Max rebooting is $75.

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The oranges have towing.

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And use that ranges between 300 to $400.

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So you can choose ticketing, you can choose booting, you can choose towing, or you can choose a combination of both.

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Booting and towing.

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Or you can choose a progressive style of enforcement.

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First offensive ticketing, second offense is booting, and the third offensive towing.

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So there's a company that offers that.

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Version of enforcement as well.

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So other things you guys need to decide is the enforcement style.

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So there's two different types of enforcement. There's on call. Basically a person would call to a.

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The toe on a car that's violating the parking permit rules.

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Or there's patrol enforcement. You need a tow truck with patrol.

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The road. And they would.

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Total card.

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On their own.

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So you need to decide anymore on card you want patrol.

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So.

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Let's let's.

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When we get through this, I was gonna ask the same thing. What's the cost is the cost is the.

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So that can be decided via contract. I don't have a specific cost, I know that.

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Couple neighborhoods that have a parking permit.

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And might cause to speak to this letter.

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Usually the annual fee for that parking permit is above 60 to $60.00 plus.

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OK, thanks. Keep on.

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So when it comes to booting, there's two different types of booting.

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So you have smarter company offers smart booting basically.

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It's self release, you pay for it and then you can.

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Detach it and then you have to go and drop it off.

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Yourself.

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And then you have standard building basically towing company would come.

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The Buddha, and then you have to call them to come.

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Take it off if that makes sense.

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And then you have visitor parking as well.

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Would you want to allow overnight visitor parking passes for a neighborhood?

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Or not.

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And then household permits so.

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Would you guys want?

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How many permits do you want per?

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House you want one on street parking spot 2? Or do you want it to be tied to the number of drivers in that house?

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What are the costs, Jacob, for the permits? Are they?

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$20 a permit or what do they cost? That's the thing. So the president vary based off of what what you get so.

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Depending on some of the options and.

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We would strongly recommend that the neighborhood captains.

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Do their research of which style.

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And then research the price.

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And as a council, this is one thing that we said was.

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Should we demand that they know the price during the vote?

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Or like on Tuesday when they put forth the plan that they.

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That it sets the citizens know the price in the vote or is that these are the options we're doing?

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And then after they vote, they find out what the permit fee is.

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And I felt that as a transparency policy that.

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Whatever option they choose.

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And the leaders go through, they investigate that between here and Tuesday.

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And we can help them do the best research they can so citizens know when they're voting.

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The annual cost is $75 annually or.

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We can you guys can talk about.

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Something.

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Phone calls.

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Hold on one second. Let's let's umm.

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Yeah, let's not do pressure.

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Yeah, we're gonna.

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Oh, yeah, please. What was the price? You made some phone calls on it. Yeah, so I made some phone calls. Just real quick. You can

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talk to theirs.

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But it's very similar. It's about $10.

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But then they make their money up by telling and.

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Thank you. As far as Lone Star goes.

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They are also.

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$10 or they are no price at all. They make up their fee by telling and ticketing.

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And then with easy part it is $5.

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Permit per month.

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But can be negotiated into the contract if you find other ways that they can.

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David, when you, David, when you said $10, are you saying monthly or annually?

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It's $10 a ticket for annual.

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That's what that's with UPA.

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So he can talk.

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If if they want to, they can talk further on that question.

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Thank you.

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Yeah. So yeah, like **** **** said, when you guys select.

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What options do you want? You have to.

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Find a vendor, calculate the price, and I'll tell you the price.

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You guys have to.

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There's also two distinctions in towing that is very important to understand.

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There are, there is.

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HOA we're giving sovereignty over to the towing company to patrol.

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Where they're going to be the judge, jury and executioner of like that decision?

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And then there's like.

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On call that we would run through the city.

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Where it would be reported.

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And it would go to a.

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Code Enforcement officer.

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Meaning somebody from the city.

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And they would look at it and say does this.

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Reach the level of.

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Of code.

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And at which when that decision is made.

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Then it would dispatch a.

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A tow truck company. So it's really important you understand that because if your neighborhood chooses and this happened in two

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instances.

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Where they chose the just drive by.

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And we are going to be removing the city on when they do the patrolling.

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They remove us from.

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The process, the code enforcement. Now there is an appeal thing.

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After the fact.

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But we are not the first adjudicating person that goes through that process. And so it's really important that you understand that

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because people will call in and they're like, I don't, I didn't agree with the toe. I was only a couple feet off.

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And we are giving that.

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Sovereignty to that private company to do that in those two separate scenarios, OK, basically if you choose that, people need to

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understand that option.

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OK. The next one is duration. How long do you want this parking from in your neighborhood? Do you want it to be?

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A temporary six months.

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One year or do you want it to be until?

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Basically.

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We've got it.

503
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,880
OK, awesome. Then I have one last slide. So I invited a couple members of the community here.

504
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,160
On a couple enjoy representatives and.

505
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,920
An individual who lives in a area of parking permit.

506
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,560
To better explain.

507
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,440
What it's like doing parking enforcement.

508
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,280
What worked? What didn't work?

509
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,640
If I can invite them to the MM Hox and then.

510
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,560
Mike, you want to come up first?

511
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:27,050
OK, awesome.

512
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:29,130
So I'm Julie Cox.

513
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:34,440
We moved to Vineyard in June of 2019, so we've been here almost seven years.

514
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:40,800
We the majority of the time we've been here, we've had a multi generational household. My mom had lived with us.

515
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,920
For nine years before she passed away.

516
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,240
My son, daughter-in-law and their.

517
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,520
Almost 2 year old child lives with us as well we have.

518
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,760
Five vehicles.

519
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,880
Because we've had five drivers.

520
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:56,860
When Providence, I live in the Providence neighborhood.

521
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,160
When Providence instituted parking permits.

522
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,330
We were not given these choices.

523
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,400
So this is amazing and.

524
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,880
You should be grateful they're asking for your.

525
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,920
Opinion.

526
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,800
We were given one choice and that was to have one parking permit for the street.

527
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,400
Per households.

528
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,570
At a fee. I think at the time it was $30.

529
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,520
A year.

530
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,560
And it was a physical permit.

531
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,160
And like I say, we had five cars.

532
00:32:27,860 --> 00:32:28,810
And five drivers.

533
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,290
And so that was not a good solution for us at all.

534
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,420
I felt like we were disproportionately impacted by the parking issues. The parking issues in my neighborhood are caused by a lack

535
00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:42,720
of parking in the locks.

536
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,040
Probably due to over occupancy.

537
00:32:48,410 --> 00:32:52,230
So when we were given these choices, I felt like we were disproportionately impacted due to the location of our home, because we

538
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:56,050
are.

539
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,760
Right inside our neighborhood, directly across the street from the locks.

540
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,760
However, because we are only given one choice.

541
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,490
And I felt like it was not the right choice.

542
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,160
I did not vote for it. I refused to vote.

543
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,920
To take away the right to park in front of my own home.

544
00:33:15,090 --> 00:33:16,530
Directly in front of my own home.

545
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:18,730
And because of that.

546
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,600
I have been towed once.

547
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:21,960
And booted twice.

548
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,090
I've paid $450.

549
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,160
In extra fees.

550
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:30,410
To park in front of my own home.

551
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,560
So like I say, I.

552
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,960
I hope that.

553
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,730
You know you guys find the right solution for your neighborhood. What I can tell you is.

554
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,880
I feel like this is still not the right solution for my neighborhood even though.

555
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,640
It has loosened a little bit and now we have.

556
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:54,120
3 parking permits available to each home, so I do want to give credit where credit is due. They've solved.

557
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,120
My problem.

558
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,680
Because now I can park.

559
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,880
Two cars in my garage or driveway and three on the street.

560
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,960
So my issue has been solved.

561
00:34:03,180 --> 00:34:04,530
But I still get booted.

562
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,600
If I don't have the right car.

563
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,480
Permit in the window or digital permit?

564
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,160
All right. Thanks.

565
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:17,330
So I'm Mike Cox.

566
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,600
And I just want to say a couple things that haven't mentioned yet.

567
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,560
On if there's someone in your.

568
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,120
In your household that has a handicap permit.

569
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,400
That is gold.

570
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,000
That is the as good as any parking permit because no towing company can touch you.

571
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,080
OK, you park on the street.

572
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,320
Anytime you want.

573
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,680
They have to leave you alone by law.

574
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:44,520
It was our saving grace when we had five cars because my mother had grandma, so that was that.

575
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:46,920
That's a good thing.

576
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:51,640
And then I just really feel strongly that.

577
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,560
The problems that we have in Vineyard.

578
00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:56,380
Are because of.

579
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,280
High density.

580
00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,720
Developments.

581
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,920
Where the developers went into the city.

582
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,880
And begged them to lower the parking requirements. And the city did.

583
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,520
So the problems.

584
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,720
Were caused by the city.

585
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:13,920
So.

586
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,960
We are the city.

587
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,040
And now we're trying to fix the problems.

588
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,880
I have a really hard time.

589
00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:23,780
When the city.

590
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,240
They started out being $30 in our.

591
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,800
In our neighborhood and their next year they went to 60.

592
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:33,080
So I don't think the city of Vineyard should be in.

593
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,320
The parking business, I don't think it is a neat idea.

594
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:38,800
To sell.

595
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:40,280
Parking passes.

596
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,360
The city gets enough money.

597
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:46,570
Yeah, yeah, the city doesn't need to be looking for more ways.

598
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,920
To get more money.

599
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,760
OK, so.

600
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,760
Thank you SO.

601
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,280
You need to. You need to make it to. The passes are free.

602
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,960
That's that's that would be the.

603
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:58,720
Best solution?

604
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,960
Thank you. Who else we got here if you have Chris Fox. So Chris, come on up, Chris.

605
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,720
Is in Edgewater.

606
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,120
I wanted to basically explain what's like.

607
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,640
Parking enforcement if you guys have any questions for him.

608
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,120
Yeah, great. I've got.

609
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,120
Cash modesty with me as well. He's on our Edgeway board as well. Umm.

610
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,680
So I've been on the board in Edgewater Townhomes.

611
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,560
About four years now.

612
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,680
And when I moved in, we were using EPA. We had a separate kind of system for getting visitor passes overnight.

613
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,960
And eventually we kind of switched to UPA.

614
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,410
For those visitor passes as well.

615
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,080
The the towing.

616
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,200
The communication wasn't very well. It didn't go very well with UPA, so a lot of things we didn't want them to do or did want them

617
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,240
to do.

618
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,600
They just weren't, we weren't on the same page and so we decided to switch two different company, but.

619
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,000
What has helped us is switching to Lone Star.

620
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,040
They've been very communicative with us.

621
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,410
We have some very specific situations where we're like, hey, please don't tell me these situations.

622
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,120
With UPA we had.

623
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:04,800
Probably.

624
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,400
Two or three times a month.

625
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Where someone was complaining to us they got towed when they left their car somewhere for like 1 minute.

626
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,200
Right, they were just constantly patrolling.

627
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:21,800
It's yeah, it's been like 8 months now and we've we've had one complaint. So it's been a significant difference.

628
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,920
The other thing with EPA was that, you know, we would ask them not to do something and then.

629
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,440
It was like 2 weeks later.

630
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,960
That after we had sent the e-mail.

631
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:34,330
I see a guy like patrolling, we'd ask them specifically not to patrol during that time, so.

632
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,450
I think that there's definitely some difference in.

633
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,360
Communication ability and quality control of that and.

634
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,200
And and.

635
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,520
The other thing is Edgewater's.

636
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,520
I think we also deal a lot with this over occupancy problem.

637
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,520
And and I hope that the solution that people are thinking of isn't.

638
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,440
Oh, if we like start towing all these people with these extra cars.

639
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,130
That will fix the overpopulation right? Or the over occupancy?

640
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,410
That's not a good way to do it. Most of these people getting towed are college students, right? Like they don't have.

641
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,890
So we just barely saw a receipt, $438.

642
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,840
To get there for a 20 minute, that right, it went to the tow yard, it was in there for 20 minutes and then they took it out.

643
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,480
$438.

644
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,800
That's that's pretty crazy for a college student, so.

645
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,160
I hope that that's.

646
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,360
You know not.

647
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,160
The strategy.

648
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,840
For some of these places, but.

649
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Yeah, for us, towing has been really, really good with Lone Star, but I'm sure there's other options.

650
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,120
Awesome, yeah.

651
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:39,600
Can you talk more about the physical? Explain to the audience the physical parking pass how that would work?

652
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,520
You some have an app, some are web-based.

653
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,240
If they were to select a digital parking pass for the neighborhood, can you explain?

654
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,800
What that would probably look like.

655
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:52,330
So at Edgewater, the way we've done it is we have.

656
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,000
These I guess.

657
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,200
Signs around the community where it's a visitor spot or maybe event parking.

658
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,130
And there's a barcode on there and you can just scan the barcode allows you.

659
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,720
To go to a portal and then there you can actually get a.

660
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,370
Digital parking pass where you can put the make and model of your car. How long you need to pass for.

661
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,080
And then lastly the actual.

662
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,200
License plate.

663
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,960
And we've seen that it's.

664
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,920
That with UPA is pretty difficult.

665
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,720
With loan, so it's been pretty easy to set up and do it.

666
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,640
The one thing we've seen on the Lone Star side though is it can get abused and so they do have parameters in place to where you

667
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,960
can.

668
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,120
Lock it up so it can be a certain amount.

669
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,680
But it from what we've seen, our experience with Lone Star has been.

670
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:31,840
A lot more like.

671
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,840
Chris has said communicative, for instance. I mean, I'm here to state facts, not feelings or anything like that, so.

672
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,320
Initially when I.

673
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,360
Became a part of the board.

674
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,050
My first thought was how do we help the members of the community?

675
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,240
Understand where to go, where to park without having to spend 3, four, $500.

676
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,320
We brought this up with UPA.

677
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,520
And what they said to what we asked, hey, do you guys boot? And they said no, they clearly said no.

678
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,400
And so we look for different solutions. We found a company that was willing to boot while UPA towed. And then they said, oh,

679
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,800
actually we do boot.

680
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,320
And then from there.

681
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,050
They tried to. We asked them for some kind of a deal for our community.

682
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:10,640
And they said, OK, well.

683
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Pitch something out. They told us the original pricing was. They came back and still gave us the original pricing.

684
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160
And so after a few things that just.

685
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,240
Seen inherently dishonest, we decided to move to a different.

686
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,720
Partner and Lone Star has been phenomenal. They do exactly what we need. They partner with us.

687
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,320
And for them, it's more about the relationship than it is about.

688
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,800
Earning a buck.

689
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,600
I mean, obviously revenue matters.

690
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,810
But they care about the relationship with our community.

691
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,370
And it's made it so that.

692
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:37,080
I mean I.

693
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,360
There are people that complain about parking enforcement. That's always going to be the case, but at the end of the day, they care

694
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,600
about making sure that we have what we need.

695
00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:44,830
Awesome. Thank you.

696
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:49,310
What's real? Quick question, how important is it that everyone understands the differences between app and evaluate the app before

697
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:53,350
making your decisions? Would you?

698
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:55,270
Wish you would have taken more time though.

699
00:40:55,350 --> 00:40:56,950
Know the differences and stuff.

700
00:40:57,150 --> 00:41:02,470
Yeah. So I from what I remember, I think UPS was like Reliance or something that was built in house is very.

701
00:41:02,590 --> 00:41:07,670
Cumbersome and hard to use and so I think it's whatever you guys decide. If you decide to go UPA, that's fine.

702
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:09,710
Make sure you do some kind of pilot.

703
00:41:09,790 --> 00:41:13,230
Take your time, understand it, just set up awesome.

704
00:41:13,950 --> 00:41:14,550
Yeah.

705
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,000
When we switched so when we switched to the app.

706
00:41:19,870 --> 00:41:25,095
Constant, like people were enraged signing up for UPA. I don't know why they had such a hard time. We kind of had them walk the

707
00:41:25,095 --> 00:41:30,320
board through it and maybe that's why it felt so easy.

708
00:41:30,750 --> 00:41:31,030
But.

709
00:41:31,590 --> 00:41:32,390
I kid you not.

710
00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:35,870
Multiple times a week, my neighbor who's always been very.

711
00:41:35,950 --> 00:41:36,990
A very chill guy.

712
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:37,910
Was uh.

713
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:43,110
Just rage texting me when I he's like I've it's taken me two hours and why is this not working?

714
00:41:43,390 --> 00:41:44,830
I said, why don't you just call him?

715
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:48,430
Whatever anyone called it seemed to be fine, but when people were trying to do it on their own?

716
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:50,750
They were getting so upset and so.

717
00:41:50,990 --> 00:41:55,590
There's obviously some benefits, pros and cons to doing physical versus digital permits.

718
00:41:55,950 --> 00:41:56,630
But.

719
00:41:56,710 --> 00:42:00,030
You know, the physical ones can be abused. People can start, you know, trying to create copies and whatever, but the digital ones

720
00:42:00,030 --> 00:42:03,350
also.

721
00:42:03,590 --> 00:42:06,510
It's important to remember every time a towing company is asking you for.

722
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:08,710
Any information beyond your license plate?

723
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:11,600
It's just so that they can have a reason to tell you if you did it wrong.

724
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:13,790
If you type the wrongs, whatever right so.

725
00:42:13,950 --> 00:42:15,510
Anyways, yeah, thank you.

726
00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:17,270
The one thing that I want to make sure.

727
00:42:17,470 --> 00:42:19,870
So if you guys decide to do this and you vote.

728
00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:25,120
And it's not a good experience. It's the leader and the group that made the decision.

729
00:42:25,310 --> 00:42:27,790
To do that, and that's why I'm speaking this to the leader.

730
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:34,470
Please make sure you educate. You learn the app, you say and you back it. And then when you're all educated.

731
00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:36,590
Then deploy right like.

732
00:42:36,670 --> 00:42:38,550
Like yeah. So anyway.

733
00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:40,950
We got Fred. Fred here, right? Yeah. Come on up.

734
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:44,590
So Fred isn't like front. I wanted to speak more about physical.

735
00:42:44,670 --> 00:42:46,790
Parking passes how that works some of the.

736
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:47,910
Cons there as well.

737
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:48,750
With.

738
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,160
Hi. Thanks Sir.

739
00:42:52,670 --> 00:42:54,310
Appreciate the opportunity to talk.

740
00:42:56,630 --> 00:43:00,710
I've been on the board of the lakefront community.

741
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:03,430
Since 2022.

742
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:06,750
And we've been dealing with parking ever since.

743
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:11,750
We implemented a physical parking permit. It's just a.

744
00:43:12,030 --> 00:43:12,990
Plastic placard.

745
00:43:14,890 --> 00:43:18,600
We provided all of the residents of the lakefront community.

746
00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:22,270
With one parking permit per household.

747
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:26,950
And the ability to buy an additional permit if they needed more than one.

748
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:31,230
The placards are very affordable.

749
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,800
And so, speaking for my HOA, we were able to absorb the cost.

750
00:43:36,110 --> 00:43:39,150
Of producing the placard and distributing them to the.

751
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:42,270
To the community without any additional cost to them.

752
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:46,630
The downside that we have come to realize?

753
00:43:47,070 --> 00:43:48,190
Over the last.

754
00:43:49,230 --> 00:43:51,230
Over the course of the last four years.

755
00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:53,440
Is the reality of.

756
00:43:53,830 --> 00:43:55,470
Forged permits.

757
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:58,750
You can go on any website and order.

758
00:44:00,010 --> 00:44:01,200
A dozen or more.

759
00:44:01,590 --> 00:44:04,710
Of these placards for about $1.50 per.

760
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,320
Per cart in in essence.

761
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:09,470
And so.

762
00:44:09,790 --> 00:44:14,150
We know for a fact not only that they're easy to reproduce and duplicate.

763
00:44:14,590 --> 00:44:17,430
But we have had landlords.

764
00:44:17,830 --> 00:44:20,470
In our community who have contacted.

765
00:44:20,830 --> 00:44:22,830
Our management company and turned in.

766
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:24,030
Dozens.

767
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:26,550
Of duplicated permits.

768
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:27,390
From.

769
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:34,390
That were given to them by by previous renters, so the duplication is a concern.

770
00:44:35,830 --> 00:44:38,710
And and it has created some headaches in our community.

771
00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:39,390
We.

772
00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:40,910
At the beginning of the year, just.

773
00:44:40,990 --> 00:44:42,110
One final note.

774
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:44,510
We decided to move to a digital permit.

775
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:47,090
It was administered by UPA.

776
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,400
That permit was.

777
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:53,550
Very different from our from our.

778
00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:56,110
Our physical parking permit where we.

779
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:58,830
We mandated a boot.

780
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,240
A warning? A boot.

781
00:45:01,630 --> 00:45:04,390
And then a toe. So it was a progressive.

782
00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:07,030
Sister Michael Jacob was talking about earlier.

783
00:45:09,390 --> 00:45:11,110
The digital permit is a straight.

784
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:15,230
When we asked.

785
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:19,440
And I think that the members of the of the other communities here.

786
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:22,910
Keep this in mind if you if you talk to UPA about this, you will.

787
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:25,110
Likely find the same thing that we did.

788
00:45:27,150 --> 00:45:28,750
They did not charge us.

789
00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:30,790
For the digital permit.

790
00:45:31,620 --> 00:45:34,040
But when we asked for more flexibility, a.

791
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:35,830
A progressive system.

792
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:38,990
They wanted to charge the HOA.

793
00:45:39,470 --> 00:45:40,790
A prohibitive fee.

794
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,920
In order to enable.

795
00:45:43,310 --> 00:45:44,550
Other options?

796
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:48,560
We've turned that down flat. We're considering other.

797
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:51,110
Other companies like Easy Park and.

798
00:45:52,310 --> 00:45:54,470
Lone Star because I refuse to.

799
00:45:54,910 --> 00:45:57,830
Tax the members of our community for the privilege.

800
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:59,190
Of.

801
00:45:59,870 --> 00:46:02,310
OK. Thank you, Fred. Appreciate that.

802
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:05,950
Jacob, anything else you want to go over this presentation, jump into the basically what threats in terms of physical parking

803
00:46:05,950 --> 00:46:09,510
passes you may run into a?

804
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:12,470
People forging those passes and.

805
00:46:12,590 --> 00:46:15,310
Stuff like that. So just nothing to keep in mind if you choose.

806
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:19,310
Difference between physical and digital? There might be downsides to both. So it's just a.

807
00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:20,670
Keep in mind, but.

808
00:46:20,830 --> 00:46:23,400
That is all I have. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you so much.

809
00:46:23,590 --> 00:46:26,310
OK, we're going to jump now to we're going to do.

810
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:31,030
A quick so so this was this was a conversation about the the pros and cons and.

811
00:46:32,350 --> 00:46:36,670
There's the different types of passes and so forth, so.

812
00:46:37,390 --> 00:46:40,950
I'm going to jump now to David Kyle. Ask him to do a quick overview of.

813
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:43,310
This operation Neighborhood Shield.

814
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:45,790
As spoken before.

815
00:46:46,830 --> 00:46:48,110
We feel that.

816
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:50,910
The root cause of this is.

817
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:53,110
Is over occupancy.

818
00:46:53,350 --> 00:46:54,110
So this is.

819
00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:57,790
We're looking to launch this to address that, so DK if you could.

820
00:46:59,070 --> 00:47:00,830
Just kind of go over this real quick.

821
00:47:02,070 --> 00:47:02,790
Tony.

822
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:08,070
No. Can you put it on?

823
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:12,070
I can work on it, sure.

824
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:14,470
OK, while he works on it.

825
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:19,270
While he's doing that, we can break up, we can kind of start to plan.

826
00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:20,910
After he well.

827
00:47:21,070 --> 00:47:22,750
Let's just have him go and then we'll.

828
00:47:23,070 --> 00:47:24,230
You know, go ahead, David.

829
00:47:25,220 --> 00:47:27,060
OK, so the.

830
00:47:27,790 --> 00:47:28,830
With the reverse.

831
00:47:29,470 --> 00:47:30,470
Over the last.

832
00:47:31,230 --> 00:47:35,550
Three months since the mayor and and council members have taken office.

833
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:40,910
We've had a number of complaints regarding overall occupied rental homes, particularly in.

834
00:47:41,550 --> 00:47:43,150
The neighborhood's mostly.

835
00:47:43,230 --> 00:47:45,230
Your neighborhoods, those that you've shown up.

836
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:48,270
Lemon, Bridgeport. The Garden of Maples.

837
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:55,640
And just excessive reports of vehicles, illegal street parking.

838
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:59,190
Of course, blocked emergency vehicles strain on neighborhood structure and.

839
00:47:59,310 --> 00:48:00,830
Reduced quality of life.

840
00:48:00,910 --> 00:48:02,710
Especially safety for kids.

841
00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:07,270
And so the mayor and staff have been working on a.

842
00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:10,150
Program called Operation Neighborhood Shield.

843
00:48:11,970 --> 00:48:13,280
What it starts?

844
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:15,470
What what we're doing is we're reviewing.

845
00:48:15,830 --> 00:48:16,630
All of.

846
00:48:16,830 --> 00:48:21,230
Vineyard City Code with our city Attorney and with Deputy Holden.

847
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:24,160
To determine updates and clarifications.

848
00:48:24,270 --> 00:48:27,710
Regarding maximum residential occupancy limits.

849
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:29,390
Illegal rental.

850
00:48:29,470 --> 00:48:30,510
Definitions. Uh.

851
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:34,350
Parking enforcement authority and evidence.

852
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:37,150
Requirements for code enforcement One of the.

853
00:48:38,070 --> 00:48:42,430
Issues that we have with enforcement is we don't have evidence we need to have.

854
00:48:42,510 --> 00:48:49,270
2 forms of evidence to do any kind of action in regards to over occupancy.

855
00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:52,190
OK, we're almost there.

856
00:48:52,270 --> 00:48:52,670
OK.

857
00:48:56,190 --> 00:48:58,030
We have it on half the screens.

858
00:48:58,230 --> 00:49:01,190
Just not on the main screen. So I think we're good to move forward.

859
00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:03,960
OK, so.

860
00:49:04,070 --> 00:49:08,430
We are currently in the process of making recommendations to city code.

861
00:49:11,110 --> 00:49:18,750
That is we actually that's what phase one is our ordinance review which started March 16th and we'll end it.

862
00:49:18,910 --> 00:49:20,910
On March 31st we're.

863
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:23,280
Trying to fast track this program.

864
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:24,910
Because of the.

865
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:30,030
Seriousness of the safety issues and neighborhoods, I'm just looking to jump to those.

866
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:31,560
Yeah, go ahead.

867
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:35,330
OK. All right.

868
00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:37,430
OK, so we are.

869
00:49:38,590 --> 00:49:43,190
We're looking at an awareness campaign with Phase 2.

870
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:46,320
Starting in late March, so.

871
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:48,590
Pretty much next week going into April.

872
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:53,310
We are going to be distributing door hangers and information Flyers.

873
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:56,590
We're going to be increasing patrols.

874
00:49:58,030 --> 00:50:02,120
An increasing visibility and citations for illegal parking.

875
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:04,870
Public messaging will.

876
00:50:05,470 --> 00:50:09,930
Be placed on all the door hangers and the informational Flyers and on Facebook and through e-mail informing residents that

877
00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:14,390
enforcement will.

878
00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:17,310
Will escalate beginning on May 1st.

879
00:50:19,020 --> 00:50:23,710
Residents will also be encouraged to to report concerns through the city's See Something, Say Something reporting initiative that

880
00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:28,400
will be part of that.

881
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:33,110
In the past, we have not been. The city has not been very direct. We are.

882
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:36,150
Going to be encouraging residents to be very direct.

883
00:50:37,300 --> 00:50:42,730
If we're going to be asking, being very direct in our ask, you see something, you see over occupancy, you see illegal parking,

884
00:50:42,730 --> 00:50:48,160
take a picture, report it to staff and we are going to be following up.

885
00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:49,590
And we're actually.

886
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:51,150
Employing new.

887
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:53,510
Employees to make this happen.

888
00:50:54,180 --> 00:50:56,860
So, and that's where.

889
00:50:57,150 --> 00:51:02,190
Phase 3 is investigation and evidence collection will happen all throughout the month of April.

890
00:51:03,070 --> 00:51:05,110
That's during the notice period.

891
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:10,750
The city will aggressively pursue documenting potential violations and will continue to.

892
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:12,910
Pursue enforcement action.

893
00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:14,830
And staff.

894
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:22,150
Will be gathering evidence such as public rental listings, online rental advertisements, listing.

895
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:27,670
Offering rooms for rent. Neighbor complaints. Verified complaints submits to the city.

896
00:51:27,790 --> 00:51:31,670
Property visits by officers and recorded statements.

897
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:37,320
Additional supporting evidence may include parking violations, code enforcement observations.

898
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,560
This phase will allow property owners an opportunity to help, correct.

899
00:51:42,910 --> 00:51:48,970
Violations voluntarily and for students to find other housing options prior to enforcement. One of the reasons why we're moving so

900
00:51:48,970 --> 00:51:55,030
quickly is because we know that graduation is going to be occurring.

901
00:51:55,310 --> 00:51:56,830
At the end of this month.

902
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:58,510
We want to make sure that.

903
00:51:58,590 --> 00:52:03,040
Students don't sign their contracts for the summer or for another year.

904
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:07,270
So we're giving kind of a heads up. We're going to be enforcing parking.

905
00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:09,670
We're going to be enforcing over occupancy.

906
00:52:11,110 --> 00:52:15,230
You know, and we're also working with Utah City.

907
00:52:15,350 --> 00:52:17,990
To find them other places within Vineyard to live.

908
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:24,510
So thank you. With that, we've got phase four and that's when enforcement will begin on May 1st.

909
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:30,990
And of course, enforcement, administrative citations, parking citations, code enforcement actions.

910
00:52:31,230 --> 00:52:33,270
And as mentioned before.

911
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:38,450
We are going to be increasing our enforcement staffing here at the city. If you go to the cities website, you'll see that we have

912
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:43,470
listings for a full time and two-part time.

913
00:52:44,070 --> 00:52:48,170
Enforcement officers, if you know anybody that would like to submit their resume, we would be happy to consider them for

914
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:52,270
employment.

915
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:55,790
And the mayor's looking for Dog the Bounty Hunter to come and help.

916
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:57,430
Yeah, that's what we're looking for.

917
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,480
OK. Thank you, David, Kyle, I.

918
00:52:59,910 --> 00:53:00,950
I want to talk to the.

919
00:53:01,030 --> 00:53:03,590
This community is a group because I have.

920
00:53:08,310 --> 00:53:09,510
How should I say this?

921
00:53:11,650 --> 00:53:12,800
I know there's fatigue.

922
00:53:13,230 --> 00:53:18,110
And reporting over occupancy. I live next door to a situation.

923
00:53:18,510 --> 00:53:21,950
Similar and I personally have reported to the city for years on it.

924
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:25,350
If you haven't.

925
00:53:25,590 --> 00:53:29,430
Heard the last 90 days we've had a lot of tone over and staff.

926
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:32,350
And a lot of it.

927
00:53:32,430 --> 00:53:35,190
What I have discovered is that.

928
00:53:37,460 --> 00:53:38,360
How can I say this?

929
00:53:39,350 --> 00:53:42,310
It has been really we have some amazing people that work here.

930
00:53:43,110 --> 00:53:45,200
But there there was a need.

931
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:46,990
For course correction.

932
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:51,470
And the staff that we have now and coming into the city.

933
00:53:51,590 --> 00:53:53,320
Are amazing people.

934
00:53:53,470 --> 00:53:55,070
That want to serve.

935
00:53:55,310 --> 00:53:56,470
The taxpayer.

936
00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:57,190
And.

937
00:53:57,870 --> 00:53:58,990
Want to do good?

938
00:53:59,550 --> 00:54:00,350
We have.

939
00:54:00,470 --> 00:54:01,070
We got.

940
00:54:01,310 --> 00:54:04,870
We have 10 new spots open. We're looking for 10 new code enforcers.

941
00:54:04,990 --> 00:54:05,590
3.

942
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:11,280
This is this is we. We're really getting.

943
00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:13,960
I keep asking myself.

944
00:54:14,350 --> 00:54:15,110
If we don't.

945
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:18,870
If we have laws and codes and don't enforce and, why didn't have them?

946
00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:22,510
But the key in order to do that is having a.

947
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:26,310
Team of staff members that are willing to do the hard thing.

948
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:28,750
And and get after it.

949
00:54:28,990 --> 00:54:30,150
And I really feel.

950
00:54:30,430 --> 00:54:34,830
I again, I understand there's fatigue. I've talked to so many of you that you.

951
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:38,590
I we finally found the report like.

952
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:41,090
10 days ago of.

953
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:42,710
All the complaints.

954
00:54:42,910 --> 00:54:46,550
Over occupancy for the last three years and I was blown away.

955
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:48,030
I saw my name on there.

956
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:49,150
But we're.

957
00:54:49,390 --> 00:54:49,990
I was like, geez.

958
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:51,790
I'm right there, right?

959
00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:55,290
And So what I'm saying is there is a.

960
00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:58,790
Complete culture shift that's happening with our staff.

961
00:54:59,190 --> 00:55:01,150
And our desire.

962
00:55:01,230 --> 00:55:05,990
Is the the mayor and the administrative officers of the city is to serve?

963
00:55:06,850 --> 00:55:08,960
The residents, the people that pay.

964
00:55:09,070 --> 00:55:10,990
Our salaries there, so I should say ours.

965
00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:13,030
Their salaries, so that is.

966
00:55:13,150 --> 00:55:14,790
It's really super positive so.

967
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:15,830
Again.

968
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:19,150
There's been some mishaps in the past.

969
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:21,310
Will have mishaps in the future but but.

970
00:55:21,390 --> 00:55:23,830
Arc, my commitment is to just run a much.

971
00:55:24,990 --> 00:55:27,030
Cleaner, tighter ship.

972
00:55:27,350 --> 00:55:29,110
That listens and.

973
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:31,470
And it's nimble and can activities.

974
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:34,510
So we're going to get ready to to do the breakout.

975
00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:37,590
So let me just let me just go through a couple of things so.

976
00:55:38,850 --> 00:55:39,840
Park Mcbert.

977
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:41,510
Talked about in the very first thing.

978
00:55:41,830 --> 00:55:43,390
We are there is going to.

979
00:55:43,830 --> 00:55:48,670
We're going to pass the resolution I'm going to on the on the agenda is going to be a resolution.

980
00:55:49,110 --> 00:55:51,070
The state of Utah has laws.

981
00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:51,910
Right now.

982
00:55:51,990 --> 00:55:53,190
That you can't park in front of a.

983
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:54,750
Fire hydrant against law.

984
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:56,470
There's laws right now.

985
00:55:56,590 --> 00:55:58,390
You can't park in front of a stop sign.

986
00:55:58,510 --> 00:56:00,230
Right now, so we don't need to do that.

987
00:56:00,550 --> 00:56:04,070
But the resolution is going to be to act to to instruct.

988
00:56:04,510 --> 00:56:06,710
The sheriff's to start towing.

989
00:56:07,070 --> 00:56:08,110
And to me.

990
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:09,430
Where I sit.

991
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:11,670
That is a direct safety issue.

992
00:56:11,790 --> 00:56:13,310
We've got to be able to get.

993
00:56:14,570 --> 00:56:15,800
Ambulances.

994
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:17,670
Fire trucks. Indoor neighborhoods.

995
00:56:18,070 --> 00:56:19,270
Get that taken care of so.

996
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:24,070
That is going to be happening on Tuesday. The reason why you can't vote on it tonight again is because of the sunshine.

997
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:26,150
We have to notice it with our attorney.

998
00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:27,670
That's that's we're gonna do.

999
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:31,310
The next thing is we're going to start this Operation Shield.

1000
00:56:31,470 --> 00:56:33,430
OK, this neighborhood shield.

1001
00:56:33,630 --> 00:56:36,790
Because again, I truly feel the root cause of this.

1002
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:40,470
Has something to do with over occupancy, so we're going to be working on that.

1003
00:56:41,110 --> 00:56:42,710
And in these breakout sessions.

1004
00:56:42,950 --> 00:56:45,270
As you discuss as a neighborhood.

1005
00:56:46,990 --> 00:56:48,230
Take it with that.

1006
00:56:48,790 --> 00:56:50,750
Understanding, and that's the commitment.

1007
00:56:50,830 --> 00:56:52,910
Are we going to be perfect? Are the staff be heard?

1008
00:56:53,550 --> 00:56:54,590
But we are working.

1009
00:56:55,110 --> 00:56:58,270
To say that we're doing nothing, that's just this is like.

1010
00:56:58,350 --> 00:56:59,150
We are moving.

1011
00:56:59,550 --> 00:57:01,390
Fast as I legally can.

1012
00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:04,430
To enforce.

1013
00:57:04,550 --> 00:57:06,310
And hold the codes that already exist.

1014
00:57:07,070 --> 00:57:08,510
And uphold it so.

1015
00:57:08,670 --> 00:57:09,870
All right, so with that.

1016
00:57:10,070 --> 00:57:12,990
We are going to do breakouts. So you want my Thunderman?

1017
00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:15,990
You want? Let's do this. Can I write?

1018
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:18,910
I we have a lot more people here.

1019
00:57:19,070 --> 00:57:24,030
Then then we then I thought, can I get a raise Van who here is from?

1020
00:57:24,270 --> 00:57:25,830
Bridgeport, can you raise your hand?

1021
00:57:26,070 --> 00:57:27,720
OK, so let me do this.

1022
00:57:27,830 --> 00:57:30,880
Can I get a hand raising hands here? Who's here from the gardens?

1023
00:57:31,590 --> 00:57:35,750
OK, so there's a bunch of gardens. Bridgeport, the gardens, who's here from the Maples?

1024
00:57:36,490 --> 00:57:38,000
Maples is kind of small.

1025
00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:38,870
OK.

1026
00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:42,790
Come to the hall and then we'll.

1027
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:46,680
Is a small group. OK, let's do this.

1028
00:57:46,830 --> 00:57:47,470
OK, alright.

1029
00:57:48,550 --> 00:57:50,390
So this is what we're going to do.

1030
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:53,030
OK, please be quiet. Listen up.

1031
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:57,400
Jake, walk us through what these breakout sessions are going to be doing.

1032
00:57:57,790 --> 00:58:01,510
OK, let's make sure you get and we gotta have a time limit because again, it's 9:30.

1033
00:58:01,950 --> 00:58:07,520
So each a council member will follow each group to their location to help guide through the meeting.

1034
00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:10,470
And help go through the decision and hold the conversation.

1035
00:58:10,590 --> 00:58:14,030
We recommend that you kind of discuss the various options before.

1036
00:58:14,110 --> 00:58:18,190
And then come to a level. Now there's nothing in code about how many leaders.

1037
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:21,790
Being one, being 2, being three people selected.

1038
00:58:22,030 --> 00:58:24,110
Because it's not in code and we're moving quickly.

1039
00:58:24,310 --> 00:58:27,870
We're going to allow that to be the council member in that meeting kind of help.

1040
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:30,040
Understand what is that?

1041
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:34,590
Now realizing that you need to put together that plan.

1042
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:38,360
You guys all have this. These are the decisions that you guys need to be making.

1043
00:58:38,590 --> 00:58:41,750
In order to bring this back to the Council.

1044
00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:44,510
To say we have enough information.

1045
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:47,990
That is ready to go that we can put your plan on.

1046
00:58:48,190 --> 00:58:53,430
That we would vote and authorize a vote and we can do that as soon as next Tuesday.

1047
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:56,560
But we have to give 24 hour notice so.

1048
00:58:56,670 --> 00:59:01,160
Monday at 6:00 we have to have. You have to give it to as well before.

1049
00:59:01,310 --> 00:59:03,790
But we have to put it into the state statute of.

1050
00:59:03,870 --> 00:59:06,950
Public notification to get that in and then a vote can happen.

1051
00:59:07,150 --> 00:59:08,750
We one of the.

1052
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:11,310
My tone. Yeah, sorry, I'll pull it closer.

1053
00:59:12,830 --> 00:59:15,070
Zach, you started to steal my Thunder, but I need to.

1054
00:59:15,790 --> 00:59:16,870
Get this in.

1055
00:59:16,990 --> 00:59:18,070
Before you say that.

1056
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:20,920
The benefit of having this resolution on Tuesday?

1057
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:23,710
Where we are going to immediately start towing.

1058
00:59:24,430 --> 00:59:28,190
Anything that is a safety hazard that's already in violation of state law.

1059
00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:29,270
Is that?

1060
00:59:29,790 --> 00:59:31,190
It is an immediate.

1061
00:59:31,550 --> 00:59:32,390
Stopgap.

1062
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:34,390
To make the roads safer.

1063
00:59:35,170 --> 00:59:37,440
And it gives you, I think, a little bit more.

1064
00:59:37,590 --> 00:59:38,430
Breathing room.

1065
00:59:38,550 --> 00:59:40,320
To make sure that we get this right.

1066
00:59:40,830 --> 00:59:43,350
Because the decisions that we're making that are going to.

1067
00:59:43,790 --> 00:59:45,670
You're going to bring back to the Council.

1068
00:59:45,790 --> 00:59:50,710
That's what we would use to draft a code or resolution or an ordinance that would.

1069
00:59:51,350 --> 00:59:52,470
Implement this for you.

1070
00:59:54,770 --> 00:59:55,610
With this.

1071
00:59:56,490 --> 00:59:59,840
Recognize if you need more time, you can have more time.

1072
01:00:00,350 --> 01:00:04,910
This is going to be largely neighborhood LED because your neighborhood is unique and your solution is going to be different than

1073
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:09,470
other people. We're not waiting for the neighborhoods to decide.

1074
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:10,750
To start telling.

1075
01:00:10,950 --> 01:00:12,070
Fire hydrants.

1076
01:00:12,550 --> 01:00:16,030
Stop sign stuff. That's already Utah State law that is happening.

1077
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:20,480
So what's going to happen? Work with you regardless of whatever you guys come up with?

1078
01:00:20,830 --> 01:00:22,310
I would just want to ask.

1079
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:23,550
For your patients.

1080
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:28,240
And your willingness to acknowledge the different perspectives that are going to be in your communities.

1081
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:29,920
And make sure that.

1082
01:00:30,110 --> 01:00:31,110
You understand?

1083
01:00:31,860 --> 01:00:36,200
While it may be unpopular to say, the Council has an obligation to balance.

1084
01:00:36,980 --> 01:00:41,690
Representing you and also the rights of people that maybe are not comfortable speaking up to. And so we want to find the best way

1085
01:00:41,690 --> 01:00:46,400
to build consensus and community.

1086
01:00:46,550 --> 01:00:48,150
To work through these issues.

1087
01:00:48,510 --> 01:00:52,530
Yeah, and the secret ballot, a lot of people worried about that in e-mail. Like I have to speak up for my system. No one has to

1088
01:00:52,530 --> 01:00:56,550
disclose how you vote.

1089
01:00:56,670 --> 01:00:57,510
Whatever, uh.

1090
01:00:57,590 --> 01:00:58,510
By law.

1091
01:00:58,910 --> 01:01:03,270
We have a lot of laws that we have to follow right in the voting of that.

1092
01:01:03,540 --> 01:01:07,260
So the attorney and are making sure that we follow through about that so.

1093
01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:08,500
So let's do this.

1094
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:09,900
So, Ezra.

1095
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:11,620
Let's do Bridgeport.

1096
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:12,580
Let's do.

1097
01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:17,940
You want to let the UPA guy share on? Let's do question and answer after.

1098
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:21,060
What's the question? We have a lot of vendors here.

1099
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:22,580
And I am able to share some.

1100
01:01:24,820 --> 01:01:26,340
Well, what's what the vendors doing the.

1101
01:01:26,420 --> 01:01:27,540
Question and answer period.

1102
01:01:28,180 --> 01:01:31,260
Speak to the chair. Please speak to the chair. Thank you.

1103
01:01:31,420 --> 01:01:33,660
We're going to do question and answer. We do that after.

1104
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:36,660
Right now we're going to have, we're going to do the breakout session, Ezra.

1105
01:01:37,020 --> 01:01:37,740
Bridgeport.

1106
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:40,300
You guys want to meet? Let's do this one in here.

1107
01:01:40,460 --> 01:01:40,820
OK.

1108
01:01:43,410 --> 01:01:46,110
With Chaminade, With Jacob Wood. Let's go or.

1109
01:01:46,420 --> 01:01:48,900
Let's go up to the library you want upstairs the library.

1110
01:01:48,980 --> 01:01:52,820
OK, Maples, let's have Parker to the Maples.

1111
01:01:53,220 --> 01:01:54,460
Let's have them.

1112
01:01:54,780 --> 01:01:57,460
Yeah, you guys can have the foyer.

1113
01:01:58,140 --> 01:02:01,540
And then Holden, are you cool if we use the sheriff's?

1114
01:02:01,660 --> 01:02:02,740
Room. Is that OK?

1115
01:02:03,300 --> 01:02:04,380
Do we have any stuff?

1116
01:02:04,540 --> 01:02:07,060
Is that can we go in there? Any drugs in there you gotta need?

1117
01:02:07,180 --> 01:02:09,540
Marijuana that you confiscated from.

1118
01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:13,820
Teenagers at the moment it will smell like marijuana, yes.

1119
01:02:14,540 --> 01:02:18,780
OK, so it smells like marijuana, so, but we're going to go into the we're going to go into.

1120
01:02:19,780 --> 01:02:21,420
To the sheriff's room, and that'll be the.

1121
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:23,340
Gardens so OK.

1122
01:02:23,460 --> 01:02:24,580
Bridgeport here.

1123
01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:26,220
Lechemon there.

1124
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:27,620
OK, one last thing.

1125
01:02:27,860 --> 01:02:28,660
One last thing.

1126
01:02:28,780 --> 01:02:30,020
Let's let's do it.

1127
01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:31,730
We.

1128
01:02:32,460 --> 01:02:33,660
It's 9:30.

1129
01:02:34,060 --> 01:02:36,740
We can't be here forever. We got jobs and stuff to do in the morning.

1130
01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:37,550
How long you think?

1131
01:02:37,620 --> 01:02:38,860
1520 minutes.

1132
01:02:39,060 --> 01:02:40,900
Now you'll need more than that.

1133
01:02:41,340 --> 01:02:42,540
1/2 hour.

1134
01:02:42,620 --> 01:02:49,140
This is hey, what were the leaders, the group leaders from Tuesday? What do they think they need? Hey, group leaders from Tuesday.

1135
01:02:55,150 --> 01:02:57,590
OK, 15th must be 20 minutes. It's late.

1136
01:02:57,700 --> 01:02:59,020
OK again.

1137
01:03:00,450 --> 01:03:02,310
The commitment for me is the mayor.

1138
01:03:02,540 --> 01:03:03,980
I can control the agenda.

1139
01:03:04,180 --> 01:03:06,380
We will keep this on and work until it's.

1140
01:03:07,060 --> 01:03:08,940
Better, even if it takes a minute.

1141
01:03:09,140 --> 01:03:13,340
Thank you. Yeah, 20 minutes. So we'll be back in there at 9:50. We'll do a recess on 950.

1142
01:03:19,020 --> 01:03:19,060
I.

1143
01:03:28,140 --> 01:03:28,500
Garden.

1144
01:03:29,700 --> 01:03:31,980
The mayor is your mayor.

1145
01:27:03,450 --> 01:27:05,020
OK, awesome.

1146
01:27:08,970 --> 01:27:09,450
It's just us.

1147
01:27:17,330 --> 01:27:19,450
For the people in the foyer right now, we're going to.

1148
01:27:19,810 --> 01:27:24,730
Do public comments in a moment. If you guys would like to come in and participate in that, We'll have questions and answers.

1149
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:45,570
If they're too loud and she beat that gavel, yeah, they'll.

1150
01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:48,250
My council chambers, Yeah, right.

1151
01:28:00,010 --> 01:28:01,330
It is dented, isn't it?

1152
01:28:02,370 --> 01:28:03,010
Do we want to?

1153
01:28:03,770 --> 01:28:04,690
Yeah, that was you.

1154
01:28:04,810 --> 01:28:06,770
You want to call Jacob Wood to see you upstairs.

1155
01:29:03,780 --> 01:29:07,140
Is like the alligator food to be back up and comfortable.

1156
01:29:19,540 --> 01:29:23,270
Alrighty guys, let's go ahead and move into public comment if you want to come in here.

1157
01:29:23,580 --> 01:29:25,220
If not, maybe we just shut the.

1158
01:29:25,780 --> 01:29:28,940
Looks like there's some conversations happening on the floor, which is totally fine.

1159
01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:29,980
Just want to.

1160
01:29:30,660 --> 01:29:31,500
Shut the door.

1161
01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:35,910
OK, awesome.

1162
01:29:37,090 --> 01:29:40,030
All righty, so we're going to jump into public comment We're it's.

1163
01:29:40,220 --> 01:29:44,660
955 So we're gonna really be we're gonna do one minute.

1164
01:29:44,740 --> 01:29:46,220
OK, one minute.

1165
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:47,220
Public comment.

1166
01:29:47,740 --> 01:29:50,940
When you come up here, I ask you to address the chair, which is my cell.

1167
01:29:51,580 --> 01:29:53,860
Everyone that talked to me, Council, if you have questions.

1168
01:29:53,940 --> 01:29:58,660
Go through me and then we'll. That way we can have some good or order decorum here.

1169
01:29:59,460 --> 01:30:00,380
But let's uh, uh.

1170
01:30:00,780 --> 01:30:01,980
I have my. Where's that?

1171
01:30:02,340 --> 01:30:04,020
Did we do the sign in list for?

1172
01:30:04,140 --> 01:30:04,820
Let me grab that.

1173
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:20,430
All righty.

1174
01:30:21,780 --> 01:30:23,100
What?

1175
01:30:23,460 --> 01:30:24,580
And if anyone.

1176
01:30:24,820 --> 01:30:26,740
If I call your name and you don't want to.

1177
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:30,870
Comment. Just let me know. Totally fine. Again, it's 10:00.

1178
01:30:31,260 --> 01:30:34,060
OK, so Gabriel Judkins from Bridgeport.

1179
01:30:35,970 --> 01:30:38,010
OK, not here. OK.

1180
01:30:39,650 --> 01:30:42,990
Are we cool if I just cross off the list? OK, I'll just go like that.

1181
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:44,460
Isaac Freckleton.

1182
01:30:44,540 --> 01:30:45,540
From the Maples.

1183
01:30:46,020 --> 01:30:47,220
He left. Awesome.

1184
01:30:48,940 --> 01:30:49,420
Can't.

1185
01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:52,140
Tamien.

1186
01:30:52,580 --> 01:30:53,300
I think it's.

1187
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:56,390
I'm sorry I went to Orem High, I can't read good.

1188
01:30:56,540 --> 01:30:57,940
Camp Tamion.

1189
01:30:59,070 --> 01:30:59,950
Tamion.

1190
01:31:00,700 --> 01:31:02,060
Tammy's not here, all right.

1191
01:31:03,020 --> 01:31:05,300
Damian know what the T that is AT.

1192
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:07,400
Ryan.

1193
01:31:10,460 --> 01:31:11,460
It's S.

1194
01:31:11,860 --> 01:31:14,180
Chapter Noise.

1195
01:31:14,460 --> 01:31:16,500
Yeah, from the garden. He's from the garden.

1196
01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:18,500
He lives next to my sister.

1197
01:31:18,940 --> 01:31:20,500
He's my sister's neighbor.

1198
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,510
Ryan. Ryan, do you want to comment?

1199
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:27,840
OK, alright.

1200
01:31:31,940 --> 01:31:33,620
Yes, if you. Yeah, let's do that.

1201
01:31:33,980 --> 01:31:34,740
Come on down.

1202
01:31:36,410 --> 01:31:37,030
Yes.

1203
01:31:40,780 --> 01:31:41,300
Sorry I haven't.

1204
01:31:42,910 --> 01:31:44,550
No worries at all.

1205
01:31:44,660 --> 01:31:47,180
So please say your name and your.

1206
01:31:47,420 --> 01:31:48,420
Spoke with you.

1207
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:56,300
A little bit. So my issue name and neighborhood. Jessica Rasmussen Jessica Rasmussen Yes, I live in the gardens on Zen Rd.

1208
01:31:56,860 --> 01:31:57,660
OK, sorry.

1209
01:31:58,860 --> 01:32:00,900
So my daughter has special needs.

1210
01:32:01,300 --> 01:32:05,020
And she rides a bus to and from school.

1211
01:32:05,380 --> 01:32:09,020
And it's a specialized bus that has oxygen tanks and.

1212
01:32:09,620 --> 01:32:12,660
Special medical devices, things like that that.

1213
01:32:12,740 --> 01:32:16,750
She needs she has multiple seizures a day and has them on the bus regularly.

1214
01:32:16,940 --> 01:32:18,500
She is the first one to be.

1215
01:32:18,620 --> 01:32:20,540
Pick or the last one.

1216
01:32:20,620 --> 01:32:22,100
To be picked up in the morning.

1217
01:32:22,140 --> 01:32:24,725
The first one to be dropped off in the evening because they don't want to have to use the oxygen and stuff with it on the bus,

1218
01:32:24,725 --> 01:32:27,310
right?

1219
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:32,455
So there has been a few times when the bus cannot drop the kids off after school and since she's the first one being dropped off,

1220
01:32:32,455 --> 01:32:37,030
there's like.

1221
01:32:37,140 --> 01:32:39,510
Half a dozen special needs children.

1222
01:32:39,620 --> 01:32:41,540
That also can't be dropped off.

1223
01:32:42,020 --> 01:32:45,620
That have been there crying on the bus needed to be offloaded.

1224
01:32:45,740 --> 01:32:46,820
From the bus.

1225
01:32:46,940 --> 01:32:48,860
And having no adult there.

1226
01:32:49,580 --> 01:32:52,860
We had to make a bunch of phone calls. We had neighbors knocking on doors.

1227
01:32:53,180 --> 01:32:55,700
The problem is the bus cannot make it from.

1228
01:32:55,780 --> 01:32:58,220
Center St. going east on Water Lane.

1229
01:32:58,340 --> 01:33:00,540
And then it can't go north onto Eden.

1230
01:33:01,100 --> 01:33:02,780
Because there's too many cars parked.

1231
01:33:03,260 --> 01:33:05,220
And I understand that it sounds like.

1232
01:33:05,660 --> 01:33:09,420
The cars that are parked by the stop signs will be removed.

1233
01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:13,220
But it's also going around the corner. So basically the bus has to go from Center St. and make a hard right and then a hard left

1234
01:33:13,220 --> 01:33:16,740
in order to get around.

1235
01:33:17,140 --> 01:33:18,100
So that's happened to.

1236
01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:24,220
A couple of times, but what most concerning is the transportation system called me this morning.

1237
01:33:24,420 --> 01:33:27,140
And they said we need to know whether or not your daughter will.

1238
01:33:27,260 --> 01:33:31,880
We'll be riding the bus within 1/2 hour of picking her up or 20 minutes of picking her up because we cannot navigate your

1239
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:36,500
neighborhood and we will stop services if we don't hear from you.

1240
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,590
The problem is.

1241
01:33:38,740 --> 01:33:42,280
My daughter's sleep is really messed up. I was up with her from 3:00 to 4:30 in the morning. I wasn't sure if she was going to

1242
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:45,820
make it to bus.

1243
01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:47,660
For the bus at 7:35.

1244
01:33:47,820 --> 01:33:49,340
Yesterday and so.

1245
01:33:49,420 --> 01:33:52,580
She couldn't use the bus because I couldn't tell them in time.

1246
01:33:52,740 --> 01:33:54,460
Yesterday she had a seizure.

1247
01:33:54,580 --> 01:33:56,180
10 minutes before the bus came.

1248
01:33:56,300 --> 01:33:58,220
And we have a system where we just put.

1249
01:33:58,380 --> 01:34:00,780
The no bus symbol up in our window.

1250
01:34:01,180 --> 01:34:05,500
And they said that that wouldn't work anymore because it takes so much time for them to come through and try to figure out how to

1251
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:09,820
get around the neighborhood.

1252
01:34:09,900 --> 01:34:12,980
And they can't go the other way, I guess because it's illegal for them to have the.

1253
01:34:13,060 --> 01:34:14,780
Child walk across the street.

1254
01:34:14,900 --> 01:34:16,500
Yeah, so anyway.

1255
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,430
They can't back up, correct? Yes.

1256
01:34:19,540 --> 01:34:20,340
And so.

1257
01:34:20,940 --> 01:34:24,460
And we got you, you, you 2 are going to get in contact. OK, we're going to get.

1258
01:34:25,340 --> 01:34:28,140
So anyway, I just wanted, yes, I know we're on it.

1259
01:34:28,220 --> 01:34:30,340
And I just wanted to put in my.

1260
01:34:30,500 --> 01:34:33,380
Little bits that like it affects more than just.

1261
01:34:33,860 --> 01:34:39,180
You know, annoying college students that aren't supposed to be parking there or someone backing up around the corner too far,

1262
01:34:39,180 --> 01:34:44,500
things like that, someone's boat or all this stuff. Right? Yeah. So all of it just adds together, but.

1263
01:34:44,580 --> 01:34:46,900
Thanks for letting me be heard, you're awesome.

1264
01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:49,660
Appreciate all you do, your amazing mother.

1265
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:53,380
OK, we got Brandon Peterson from the garden.

1266
01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:58,550
All right. One minute, Brandon, you're awesome.

1267
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,720
Thanks. I'll be quick. Brandon Peterson.

1268
01:35:02,300 --> 01:35:07,020
I'm really excited about SHIELD. I think that this will help address a lot of the problems. I think that.

1269
01:35:08,270 --> 01:35:11,630
We have codes for a reason. I run a small business on the side.

1270
01:35:12,460 --> 01:35:14,020
And I could have.

1271
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:15,660
Illegally run it from my home.

1272
01:35:16,060 --> 01:35:18,740
But I wanted to abide by the code.

1273
01:35:18,820 --> 01:35:19,660
In the city.

1274
01:35:19,780 --> 01:35:23,900
But that means that my break even point is $60,000.

1275
01:35:24,020 --> 01:35:30,020
For I see a single dollar in my bank account, I have to earn $60,000 to pay for a 1000 square foot shop.

1276
01:35:30,420 --> 01:35:31,380
And so I'm very.

1277
01:35:32,540 --> 01:35:33,700
I have very little.

1278
01:35:33,740 --> 01:35:37,150
Sympathy when people are complaining about $450 for towing.

1279
01:35:37,380 --> 01:35:38,700
Times that by a lot.

1280
01:35:38,820 --> 01:35:40,740
And that's what I'm paying to uphold the code.

1281
01:35:40,860 --> 01:35:43,380
And even still, I know in the future all teenage drivers.

1282
01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:46,220
Five quarter driveway extra wide to be able to accommodate that.

1283
01:35:46,580 --> 01:35:48,620
There's plenty of ways that we can solve this.

1284
01:35:49,140 --> 01:35:50,340
I do think that.

1285
01:35:50,460 --> 01:35:52,740
Putting the onus on the members of the neighborhood.

1286
01:35:52,820 --> 01:35:54,900
It's kind of pitting ourselves against each other.

1287
01:35:55,020 --> 01:35:55,940
So I don't love that.

1288
01:35:56,540 --> 01:35:58,420
And that's why I think that it is.

1289
01:35:58,700 --> 01:36:02,380
Critical that we figure out how to do this code enforcement and make it happen.

1290
01:36:02,500 --> 01:36:03,180
Thank you, Sir.

1291
01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:04,220
Awesome. Umm.

1292
01:36:04,420 --> 01:36:05,940
Let's jump to Ross Pegado.

1293
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:06,740
From Bridgeport.

1294
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,790
Ross is gone. Dakota Green from the garden.

1295
01:36:11,220 --> 01:36:12,180
Sorry, can someone take?

1296
01:36:12,580 --> 01:36:13,380
Sure.

1297
01:36:14,780 --> 01:36:15,020
Mark on.

1298
01:36:17,260 --> 01:36:23,100
I My name is Dana Blake and I'm from Bridgeport.

1299
01:36:23,540 --> 01:36:26,820
I was just wondering if we at some point could.

1300
01:36:27,490 --> 01:36:28,310
Have.

1301
01:36:28,420 --> 01:36:31,350
Some documentation on what you need from.

1302
01:36:31,740 --> 01:36:34,620
The neighborhood leadership and what you need from.

1303
01:36:35,660 --> 01:36:38,300
Are you planning on moving forward on Tuesday?

1304
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:41,900
What's the plan was that packet?

1305
01:36:42,260 --> 01:36:48,110
You're talking long term. OK, awesome. Just like an onboarding packet or whatever, you don't need it tonight.

1306
01:36:49,710 --> 01:36:50,950
Yeah, yes, we're gathering them.

1307
01:36:51,780 --> 01:36:57,700
Thank you. Do not leave if you're a leader without giving a good template of what that looks like. OK?

1308
01:36:58,220 --> 01:37:00,340
Yeah, speak to the chair, Jay, Sorry.

1309
01:37:00,460 --> 01:37:04,900
Do not leave if you are a leader and have not given a statement, Mr. Mayor.

1310
01:37:06,300 --> 01:37:08,340
Mr. Mayor, can I have the microphone? Yeah, go ahead.

1311
01:37:09,060 --> 01:37:14,340
Please do not leave. Please do not leave until you're gonna have to teach me that. Hey, I thought Julie for two years.

1312
01:37:18,950 --> 01:37:26,710
Please give your contact information to If you were a leader. Let's get with DK David Kyle over here.

1313
01:37:27,060 --> 01:37:29,300
OK, Julie Cox already went.

1314
01:37:29,740 --> 01:37:31,460
Kristin Tanner from.

1315
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,030
She is not here.

1316
01:37:36,220 --> 01:37:37,900
OK, he says he was.

1317
01:37:37,980 --> 01:37:39,940
When the when the.

1318
01:37:40,540 --> 01:37:41,180
A Stella.

1319
01:37:42,380 --> 01:37:45,460
Yeah, alright. He's good. Sorry, guys. He's good, Whitney. Good.

1320
01:37:45,740 --> 01:37:47,950
OK guys, I'm sorry I can't read.

1321
01:37:48,340 --> 01:37:49,420
Corey Anderson.

1322
01:37:49,700 --> 01:37:50,620
From the Maples.

1323
01:37:52,260 --> 01:37:55,460
You sign that paper. OK, All right. No. Hey.

1324
01:37:55,540 --> 01:37:56,470
Nothing wrong with that.

1325
01:37:58,820 --> 01:38:00,500
Yeah, you want to take his thought? Come on down.

1326
01:38:00,580 --> 01:38:01,620
Let's do that, yeah.

1327
01:38:04,650 --> 01:38:05,910
Well, the handwriting.

1328
01:38:07,580 --> 01:38:10,220
Now I Emily McLean from the Maples.

1329
01:38:10,420 --> 01:38:15,140
I appreciate that you guys are having these discussions with us and giving us the opportunity to.

1330
01:38:15,540 --> 01:38:18,420
Do research within our neighborhoods and come back although.

1331
01:38:18,700 --> 01:38:21,900
I am. I'm going to agree with the other person whose name I already forgot.

1332
01:38:22,020 --> 01:38:22,660
That, uh.

1333
01:38:22,740 --> 01:38:24,300
Putting the onus fully.

1334
01:38:24,460 --> 01:38:28,220
On us as a neighborhood where we don't understand all the like.

1335
01:38:28,300 --> 01:38:30,460
Laws and repercussions and things.

1336
01:38:30,540 --> 01:38:32,460
And it does make it feel.

1337
01:38:32,580 --> 01:38:34,310
A little tense when?

1338
01:38:35,740 --> 01:38:37,820
I don't know if there's a way to have like.

1339
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:41,940
A council member mediator that helps with all of these meetings or.

1340
01:38:42,300 --> 01:38:45,590
Or something that can just make it a little more official than.

1341
01:38:46,140 --> 01:38:49,480
Then kind of wild discussions and help maybe correct us if we're off course as we're having these discussions within our

1342
01:38:49,480 --> 01:38:52,820
neighborhood or?

1343
01:38:52,940 --> 01:38:54,060
Make sure we're giving the.

1344
01:38:54,220 --> 01:38:55,940
Proper due process and.

1345
01:38:56,580 --> 01:39:00,940
I don't know. I love that. I would love a little more guidance because I do want the safety of our.

1346
01:39:01,340 --> 01:39:02,900
Our families and our children and.

1347
01:39:03,020 --> 01:39:04,620
And to follow proper code.

1348
01:39:05,260 --> 01:39:08,900
I just think that's a lot to put on on us as neighbors. Thank you.

1349
01:39:09,140 --> 01:39:11,380
Especially we have staff that are, I mean.

1350
01:39:11,500 --> 01:39:15,160
Holden, did you ever think you'd be a parking expert when you want to be a sheriff? But here you are, so liaison between staff and

1351
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:18,820
and so forth.

1352
01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:21,620
To answer the questions with the our staff that are subject.

1353
01:39:21,820 --> 01:39:22,900
Matter actually talking.

1354
01:39:22,980 --> 01:39:25,060
OK, Emily Larson.

1355
01:39:26,420 --> 01:39:27,620
She left, left OK.

1356
01:39:27,900 --> 01:39:28,700
Corey Kirkland.

1357
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:34,440
Marcus, you're up, dude.

1358
01:39:34,740 --> 01:39:35,700
You want to say anything?

1359
01:39:35,820 --> 01:39:37,100
Yeah, go Cougars.

1360
01:39:42,460 --> 01:39:43,860
Well, I just wanted to.

1361
01:39:43,980 --> 01:39:48,820
Ask. I just want to ask the impetus of like, starting this conversation.

1362
01:39:48,900 --> 01:39:50,620
One of our council members got elected.

1363
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:53,100
To office based on the.

1364
01:39:53,220 --> 01:39:54,820
Fiasco to happen in the.

1365
01:39:54,900 --> 01:39:56,820
And the parking stuff of the lake.

1366
01:39:56,980 --> 01:39:57,740
Seems that.

1367
01:39:57,940 --> 01:40:00,870
That same fiasco is now making its way.

1368
01:40:01,140 --> 01:40:04,060
Don't potentially the guardians where I live.

1369
01:40:05,220 --> 01:40:09,390
I I think we should, I think we should tell boats and all that, those trailers and everything like this.

1370
01:40:09,540 --> 01:40:10,260
But there.

1371
01:40:12,540 --> 01:40:16,680
But there is various times where you have family visit or something like that. I don't want them to be fined between the hours of

1372
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:20,820
one and five because they're parked there at night.

1373
01:40:21,020 --> 01:40:23,980
I think that's, I think that's an overburden.

1374
01:40:24,380 --> 01:40:25,300
Also too.

1375
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:31,180
The Gardens is one of the few places that does not have an HOA. I think it's maybe the only.

1376
01:40:31,300 --> 01:40:32,660
Mabel, do they neither.

1377
01:40:33,020 --> 01:40:38,180
I don't want to start something that's gonna lead down to it to slip yourself. We have an HOA set up in the gardens because now we

1378
01:40:38,180 --> 01:40:43,340
have this citizen, citizen LED group that now.

1379
01:40:43,420 --> 01:40:45,180
Thinks we should get into other things.

1380
01:40:45,300 --> 01:40:50,140
That is going to happen and I'm hopefully that's not going to happen the cars because I do not want an HOA. Thank you.

1381
01:40:52,420 --> 01:40:54,540
For the record, Marcus is anti HOA.

1382
01:40:54,820 --> 01:40:56,340
We get that down, OK.

1383
01:40:56,460 --> 01:40:57,900
Second, all right, so.

1384
01:40:58,020 --> 01:40:59,740
All right, Stephanie.

1385
01:40:59,820 --> 01:41:00,540
From the garden.

1386
01:41:01,060 --> 01:41:01,660
You're good.

1387
01:41:02,380 --> 01:41:03,740
Catherine from the gardens.

1388
01:41:05,100 --> 01:41:06,540
Wrong paper? No worries.

1389
01:41:07,060 --> 01:41:08,380
Mellie from Maples.

1390
01:41:10,700 --> 01:41:11,980
Fred already went.

1391
01:41:12,300 --> 01:41:14,580
Jessica Rasmussen already went.

1392
01:41:15,940 --> 01:41:16,940
Marianne Height.

1393
01:41:19,340 --> 01:41:20,860
You got we all good, OK.

1394
01:41:21,340 --> 01:41:22,900
Yes, please.

1395
01:41:23,060 --> 01:41:23,660
Yes.

1396
01:41:24,140 --> 01:41:26,420
Sorry, wrong, she left to say my name.

1397
01:41:28,180 --> 01:41:32,820
Can you just quickly tell us the process of changing some of the wording in the code?

1398
01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:36,820
That could maybe help out our neighborhoods so that we great question.

1399
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:38,340
You want to walk through that?

1400
01:41:38,740 --> 01:41:39,180
I don't.

1401
01:41:39,260 --> 01:41:41,020
Ask a clarifying question about.

1402
01:41:41,380 --> 01:41:43,060
Specifically in regard to what?

1403
01:41:43,850 --> 01:41:45,370
But I mean a code revision.

1404
01:41:46,750 --> 01:41:47,870
Very Simply put.

1405
01:41:48,050 --> 01:41:49,530
We draft that.

1406
01:41:49,610 --> 01:41:53,730
We take it to our legal counsel, We make sure that we're not doing anything that would violate the Constitution of the state of

1407
01:41:53,730 --> 01:41:57,850
Utah or the federal Constitution.

1408
01:41:58,010 --> 01:42:01,090
It comes back to the Council and then we vote on an implementation.

1409
01:42:01,330 --> 01:42:04,290
So if there's something specific that you would like to see change, that's just something that we need to have made recommended to

1410
01:42:04,290 --> 01:42:07,250
us.

1411
01:42:08,330 --> 01:42:12,290
So you could recommend it to any council? I would like to recommend changing the word.

1412
01:42:12,570 --> 01:42:13,970
Member of the neighborhood.

1413
01:42:14,130 --> 01:42:17,410
To be more specific on who can actually vote.

1414
01:42:17,650 --> 01:42:19,450
Right in the entire.

1415
01:42:19,570 --> 01:42:21,340
Every other city, it says.

1416
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:23,540
By the owner.

1417
01:42:24,930 --> 01:42:28,290
But we say a member of the neighborhood, which can be very hard to.

1418
01:42:28,530 --> 01:42:29,690
Ambiguous. Ambiguous.

1419
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:33,370
Mr. Mayor, could I share a clarifying point I got from?

1420
01:42:33,890 --> 01:42:35,930
Mr. earlier today.

1421
01:42:36,930 --> 01:42:39,340
I approached our legal counsel about.

1422
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:45,050
Who could vote? Who couldn't vote? Because I know that that was conversations being had in multiple neighborhoods.

1423
01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:48,690
And his advice was since this is a citizen LED.

1424
01:42:51,020 --> 01:42:56,540
Endeavor that we shouldn't dictate how you structure that, but that we have to ensure.

1425
01:42:56,730 --> 01:43:02,495
It is a fair and accurate representation of the residency. So, he said. If you want to do 1 vote per household, that needs to be

1426
01:43:02,495 --> 01:43:08,260
the homeowner. If you want to open it up to all voters or everyone who's voting age in that neighborhood.

1427
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:10,500
That's a decision that your neighborhood can make as well.

1428
01:43:11,370 --> 01:43:15,650
As far as the code specifically referencing our 75%.

1429
01:43:15,890 --> 01:43:21,290
That's something that I think the Council as a whole has agreed that we're willing to consider as long as we can get.

1430
01:43:21,370 --> 01:43:23,850
Even close to a majority consensus.

1431
01:43:25,170 --> 01:43:27,020
Because I know it's not necessarily.

1432
01:43:27,710 --> 01:43:31,270
Possible to get that 75% threshold like you have?

1433
01:43:31,970 --> 01:43:35,250
In Legeminat in Bridgeport.

1434
01:43:35,450 --> 01:43:36,850
So something that we've.

1435
01:43:37,530 --> 01:43:39,530
Considered as well as a council was.

1436
01:43:39,690 --> 01:43:45,730
Can we pass a resolution that gives an exception for this process so that you don't have to hit that threshold?

1437
01:43:45,810 --> 01:43:47,090
And we kind of just need to.

1438
01:43:47,170 --> 01:43:48,740
Talk with the neighborhoods and figure out.

1439
01:43:49,010 --> 01:43:50,730
What is actually realistic?

1440
01:43:51,170 --> 01:43:54,540
What's going to demonstrate that there is broad support for this?

1441
01:43:54,650 --> 01:43:57,260
And give the Council, like I said earlier.

1442
01:43:57,450 --> 01:43:58,130
That, uh.

1443
01:43:58,610 --> 01:44:00,490
Sufficient reason to act.

1444
01:44:04,440 --> 01:44:07,440
So the Council is actually authorized to.

1445
01:44:07,730 --> 01:44:09,730
Implement a parking program.

1446
01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:10,730
Regardless of uh.

1447
01:44:11,210 --> 01:44:12,570
How many votes? How many?

1448
01:44:12,970 --> 01:44:15,450
Like if we choose that, it's in the best interest to do that.

1449
01:44:15,650 --> 01:44:17,570
We're allowed to do that under the code.

1450
01:44:18,170 --> 01:44:19,490
So the parking permit.

1451
01:44:19,730 --> 01:44:21,570
Like that whole program was something that.

1452
01:44:21,730 --> 01:44:23,730
The prior council instituted to say hey.

1453
01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:25,250
If neighborhoods come to us.

1454
01:44:25,330 --> 01:44:26,650
Like we will do this.

1455
01:44:27,770 --> 01:44:31,130
But the council still reserves the right to to have a plan.

1456
01:44:31,370 --> 01:44:35,250
Regardless of that. So I'd say let the neighborhood select their own rules on how they want to.

1457
01:44:35,370 --> 01:44:37,850
Elect their captains, who are going to bring us a plan.

1458
01:44:38,010 --> 01:44:39,370
And if we're all good with saying.

1459
01:44:39,450 --> 01:44:41,650
As long as you guys feel comfortable about how you've.

1460
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:44,660
Like selected your representative.

1461
01:44:45,090 --> 01:44:46,410
Like I'm willing to support.

1462
01:44:46,490 --> 01:44:48,860
You know, whatever program you guys come up with as long as.

1463
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:50,980
I feel like it's in the best interest of the city.

1464
01:44:51,130 --> 01:44:51,850
And uh.

1465
01:44:52,170 --> 01:44:53,330
The residents as well.

1466
01:44:53,450 --> 01:44:56,330
Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. May I point out that we have tried?

1467
01:44:56,570 --> 01:44:59,010
A top down approach in the past where you forced.

1468
01:44:59,170 --> 01:45:00,010
The city forced.

1469
01:45:00,250 --> 01:45:05,090
Certain requirements on neighborhoods across the city and it was an abysmal failure.

1470
01:45:05,210 --> 01:45:06,210
Yeah, Top.

1471
01:45:06,570 --> 01:45:07,890
It's been definitely tough so.

1472
01:45:08,210 --> 01:45:10,210
OK with that.

1473
01:45:10,890 --> 01:45:13,570
We are going to adjourn the meeting tonight. We appreciate it.

1474
01:45:13,730 --> 01:45:15,170
You got the yeah guys.

1475
01:45:15,650 --> 01:45:16,450
Yes, sorry.

1476
01:45:18,250 --> 01:45:19,010
Oh, you're fine.

1477
01:45:20,090 --> 01:45:20,690
You're fine.

1478
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:23,920
Appreciate it. One minute, yeah.

1479
01:45:24,450 --> 01:45:28,020
Just going to take a quick second. I I don't understand why.

1480
01:45:28,330 --> 01:45:32,030
The truth is so hard to get out here, but I really want to just get some information that I think would have been vital to making

1481
01:45:32,030 --> 01:45:35,730
decisions before.

1482
01:45:36,210 --> 01:45:37,620
3/4 of the people were gone.

1483
01:45:38,890 --> 01:45:45,690
My name is Mike Lamont. I'm the CEO of Utah Parking Authority. There was a parade of misinformation that has been.

1484
01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:46,900
Pass through here.

1485
01:45:48,250 --> 01:45:52,170
As far we we've done parking enforcement for Vineyard City since 2023.

1486
01:45:53,130 --> 01:45:56,490
There have only been two communities that have adopted.

1487
01:45:57,370 --> 01:46:00,290
Parking permits on their public streets that go through their.

1488
01:46:00,410 --> 01:46:03,410
Their private communities.

1489
01:46:03,570 --> 01:46:05,010
Providence in the Springs.

1490
01:46:05,090 --> 01:46:06,540
And both of those communities.

1491
01:46:06,690 --> 01:46:08,770
Are still enforcing parking as of tonight.

1492
01:46:09,010 --> 01:46:11,930
And are active and so I don't understand what the.

1493
01:46:12,410 --> 01:46:14,420
What is being said here?

1494
01:46:14,610 --> 01:46:17,980
That 2 communities have adopted it and both have.

1495
01:46:19,420 --> 01:46:21,180
Gotten rid of it, so that's not true.

1496
01:46:22,290 --> 01:46:23,730
Providence in.

1497
01:46:24,250 --> 01:46:25,250
Here are the numbers.

1498
01:46:25,370 --> 01:46:26,570
In 2023.

1499
01:46:26,690 --> 01:46:27,690
Providence can I?

1500
01:46:27,930 --> 01:46:32,730
Can I finish 30 seconds? Yep. Providence booted. We booted 118 cars.

1501
01:46:32,970 --> 01:46:37,450
And towed 3 cars in 2024 it went down to 87 booths, one tow.

1502
01:46:37,650 --> 01:46:39,490
In 2025 went from 40.

1503
01:46:39,610 --> 01:46:41,650
Down to 41 boots and one toe.

1504
01:46:41,730 --> 01:46:42,570
The Springs.

1505
01:46:42,730 --> 01:46:48,300
IN2023115 boots, in 202433 boots and in 2025.

1506
01:46:48,450 --> 01:46:49,770
24 boots and two toes.

1507
01:46:49,970 --> 01:46:50,610
That's.

1508
01:46:51,770 --> 01:46:54,210
65% and 72%.

1509
01:46:54,410 --> 01:46:55,290
Decrease. Umm.

1510
01:46:55,370 --> 01:46:56,370
From having active.

1511
01:46:56,690 --> 01:47:00,090
Parking permits on their on their property. Our role is simple.

1512
01:47:00,490 --> 01:47:03,090
The city gives us the guidelines and we enforce those.

1513
01:47:03,170 --> 01:47:08,850
At any point can the city change their mind or the community change their mind and say we want to do something differently?

1514
01:47:08,970 --> 01:47:09,570
But uh.

1515
01:47:10,250 --> 01:47:11,410
Up until this point.

1516
01:47:12,770 --> 01:47:15,250
I've made myself available to the City Council.

1517
01:47:15,490 --> 01:47:16,250
None of them.

1518
01:47:16,370 --> 01:47:18,300
Except one has taken me up on that.

1519
01:47:18,450 --> 01:47:20,410
So I would appreciate it if.

1520
01:47:20,610 --> 01:47:21,730
Before you go.

1521
01:47:21,850 --> 01:47:23,410
To the media or.

1522
01:47:23,490 --> 01:47:26,090
To these communities and have a parade of people giving.

1523
01:47:26,530 --> 01:47:29,130
Incorrect information in front of the entire.

1524
01:47:29,210 --> 01:47:29,890
Community, Yeah.

1525
01:47:30,250 --> 01:47:30,970
That you would.

1526
01:47:31,050 --> 01:47:31,930
At least.

1527
01:47:32,090 --> 01:47:35,730
Ask from the from the company that you've contracted.

1528
01:47:35,930 --> 01:47:39,350
What the actual stats are. Thank you, Sir. Can you get those steps to our David Kyle that that'd be super helpful. So thank you.

1529
01:47:39,350 --> 01:47:42,770
Appreciate that.

1530
01:47:42,970 --> 01:47:46,410
Alrighty guys. With that, we're going to turn the meeting tonight. Thank you so much for being involved in this process if you are

1531
01:47:46,410 --> 01:47:49,850
were elected.

1532
01:47:50,530 --> 01:47:51,290
As they.

1533
01:47:51,450 --> 01:47:55,490
Neighborhood representative, I guess you would say. Can you please get with David Kyle?

1534
01:47:55,570 --> 01:47:58,850
Over here get your will get your information will be in contact.

1535
01:47:59,170 --> 01:47:59,650
And, umm.