[9:15] We're out of pens.
[9:18] Well they they have them on sale on Amazon for like you can buy like 100 for 10 bucks so.
[9:26] All righty guys, welcome out to City Council meeting this evening. It is March 31st, 20266. Let's see, what is it? Is it 6:00?
[9:32] Yep, 6:00 PM I'm Mayor Zach Stratton.
[9:39] I'll be presiding in this meeting and.
[9:41] We are going to jump right into the opening prayer and the pledge. I'm going to turn the time over to Ezra to lead us out in that.
[9:56] Our Heavenly Father, we're grateful for the opportunity we have to.
[9:59] Be here tonight to deliberate the needs of the city we're grateful for.
[10:04] Thy hand in and all our dealings and.
[10:06] We pray that though.
[10:08] Would guide us in.
[10:10] Thy spirit as we make decisions this evening.
[10:13] We're grateful for.
[10:15] Our government and the opportunity that we have to live in a free country, we're so grateful for.
[10:20] Leadership at many levels and.
[10:22] And pray for their their safety is.
[10:26] They seek to help others.
[10:28] We're grateful for.
[10:30] This time, this evening, and say these things in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen.
[10:38] What you say?
[10:41] Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance.
[10:43] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.
[10:47] And to the Republic for which it stands.
[10:50] One nation under God.
[10:52] Indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
[10:56] Thank you. Thank you.
[10:57] All right, you made it.
[11:00] And you're not even wearing a hat today.
[11:02] You do have your hat, OK.
[11:05] All righty.
[11:08] We are going to start off the meeting this evening by doing a public hearing to amend the consolidated fee schedule for the tough
[11:12] transportation utility fee.
[11:17] And Vineyard days.
[11:19] Do we need a motion to go into a public hearing or can we just go straight into this?
[11:25] We do. I yeah, I believe so. Moved.
[11:27] Do I have a second?
[11:28] Second, awesome. All in favor.
[11:31] Aye, OK. Motion passes.
[11:34] Alrighty, let's turn the time over to anyone in the public who would like to to talk about.
[11:40] This amendment to the consolidated fee schedule.
[11:45] Please come on down.
[11:47] Do us.
[11:49] Go ahead.
[11:51] Yeah, should we? Yeah, let's talk about what the change, Yes, let's do context for. Thank you so much so.
[12:02] OK, we we good. Do you want to kind of go over the the the proposed changes DK of the?
[12:07] Of the.
[12:09] Consolidated fee schedule and the Vineyard days.
[12:12] Yes, I can do that. Thank you, Sir. OK.
[12:16] OK. So it's proposed that.
[12:19] We changed the Vineyard Day vendors.
[12:24] Move the maximum fee for vendors from $100 to $200.
[12:30] Car show participants, which is a new.
[12:35] Event.
[12:36] Or 4 Vineyard dates charge $10 per participant.
[12:42] We have also a new.
[12:46] Addition to the Vineyard Days parade, which is a motorized participant.
[12:50] Business and that's $100.
[12:54] I also and I failed to skipped over one page.
[12:57] OK Umm. Uh.
[13:00] Which is the first part of the.
[13:01] Transportation. Should I? I'll just continue so Page 1.
[13:05] Sorry, it was printed front and back and I didn't notice.
[13:08] So transportation utility fee the proposal is to eliminate the transportation.
[13:15] Utility fee.
[13:16] Take it to $0.00.
[13:18] Per Eru.
[13:23] Back going back to Vineyard days, the proposal is.
[13:26] To charge motorized.
[13:28] Parade participants. Nonprofits.
[13:32] $50.
[13:33] And motorized parade participants from schools $25.
[13:39] Let me make sure I.
[13:41] Got all that?
[13:41] Yes.
[13:42] So those are the proposed changes. OK, awesome. Thank you so much.
[13:46] Any discussion from council on that before we open up for public comment?
[13:51] Just to make sure resident the residential fees removed as long as along with the business residential and business fees.
[13:58] They're all removed.
[14:00] Yeah, OK.
[14:01] Awesome.
[14:02] Yes, please. Come on down.
[14:08] Daria Evans, Vineyard resident also Villas resident. I just want to.
[14:13] Clarify what I just heard.
[14:15] Are we?
[14:16] Making it now that there is no.
[14:19] Tough no transportation utility fee for residents and businesses.
[14:25] This is.
[14:26] In perpetuity.
[14:29] No, no fee for.
[14:32] Road maintenance.
[14:34] What are we just going to?
[14:37] Rely on B&C Class Rd. funds.
[14:39] To maintain our roads throughout the city.
[14:44] That's that's a great question. Thank you so much for that. So.
[14:48] And also I just want to ask.
[14:50] To go along with that.
[14:51] How many businesses were affected by the?
[14:55] Greater amount.
[14:57] Based on the square footage, how many really were?
[15:00] In a world of hurt.
[15:01] Because of that.
[15:02] Sure. And.
[15:05] Yeah. I just want to know how we're going to fund Rd. maintenance if we are just going to $0.00. Thank you so much.
[15:11] Parker, you really dug into this. Do you want to respond to that or do you want me to?
[15:15] Yes, I would be happy to.
[15:18] Although I don't have any fancy comments prepared so we're going off the cuff. There we go.
[15:25] So.
[15:26] I have been an advocate for removing the transportation utility fee.
[15:30] Since the day I learned it was enacted.
[15:34] There I'm going to address both your questions, but just to share the context really quickly.
[15:39] After those first.
[15:41] Businesses receive their utility bills.
[15:44] And word started coming out about it.
[15:48] Obviously there were some really big egregious ones and that would be most of the ones that were 1600 N area or larger.
[15:54] Like the megaplex was like $7000 a month.
[15:59] Which?
[16:00] Those kind of fees, I think one are egregious and not representative of the actual.
[16:05] Problem they were trying to solve.
[16:07] The as you saw in the work sessions and the council meetings where we had the.
[16:13] Civil engineering firm.
[16:15] And the contractors that.
[16:16] Did the studies come out on that?
[16:19] The root cause of the road damage is.
[16:22] The Heavy.
[16:23] Construction vehicles, trucks using the roads and putting wear on them.
[16:28] One of the things that I felt was.
[16:30] Most egregious about this was.
[16:32] For example that one that went.
[16:34] Pretty viral on Facebook. The $5000 fee that was the same as their lease.
[16:39] Previously.
[16:41] Those people use 900 feet.
[16:44] Of vineyards, roads.
[16:46] I mean from entering Vineyard to their place of work.
[16:49] And it's all residential. I mean residential vehicles like cars, commuter traffic.
[16:55] That's not.
[16:56] Reflective.
[16:58] Of an appropriately structured fee in my opinion.
[17:01] The second aspect of that is that it's not a friendly.
[17:06] Tool to use to incentivize business and where we know we have.
[17:10] Huge.
[17:11] Pains and issues with the residency when it comes to property taxes and we have to build and bolster our sales tax to alleviate
[17:15] that burden.
[17:18] We have to make Vineyard as friendly as possible for more businesses to come into Vineyard.
[17:23] And so removing the transportation utility fee, I think aids in that.
[17:27] It wasn't just.
[17:28] Large businesses, though, that were.
[17:30] Affected by that, by the square footage I mean.
[17:33] For example, I reached out to.
[17:35] The yard development where we have the strip mall or those.
[17:40] Like the restaurants over there you got?
[17:42] Mopeds, Little Caesars, The chiropractic office.
[17:46] Some of those.
[17:47] Businesses have already gone.
[17:49] Out of Vineyard because of fees that were associated.
[17:51] Not just with the city, but with that developments and their common.
[17:55] Area usage fees.
[17:57] So adding the tough on top of it.
[17:59] All of those.
[18:01] I shouldn't say all because I didn't talk to all of them.
[18:03] All of the ones that I spoke with said when our leases up were out of this fee stays.
[18:08] So there was no.
[18:10] Chance.
[18:11] That.
[18:12] The studies conducted on these fees.
[18:14] We're actually going to generate the revenue that they said that they were going to generate.
[18:19] Because every single one of those businesses intended to leave.
[18:22] When they started getting the additional bills.
[18:25] So I think that this is 1 and important step.
[18:28] In making Vineyard more business friendly.
[18:31] Two to answer your questions more specifically.
[18:34] As we dig into the budget and we look at.
[18:36] Where we have levers to pull and how we can.
[18:39] Balance this.
[18:40] I'll just be very upfront. I'm operating from the perspective.
[18:44] That.
[18:45] We don't have a.
[18:48] Revenue problem.
[18:49] Or a tax problem.
[18:51] We have a spending problem.
[18:53] We need to cut the spending.
[18:56] In line with what revenues we can generate in a reasonable manner.
[19:00] So when we look at how we're going to fund.
[19:02] The roads, there's some additional levers that we can pull one.
[19:05] If we get the rest of our expenses in check and I think that we're pretty much on track to see.
[19:10] About a 15% reduction in our overall.
[19:13] Spend from last year's.
[19:15] Fiscal year budget.
[19:17] If we can actually achieve that, that frees up a lot of money to help with the road maintenance.
[19:21] Additionally.
[19:22] I've reached out to our RDA director about this.
[19:26] A couple months ago and I've talked to some of our.
[19:28] Administrative staff and finance director about can we use?
[19:32] RDA monies.
[19:34] To maintain or build the infrastructure that is still active in the RDA and to my understanding, we can use.
[19:43] Some of those monies for some of those things under certain.
[19:45] Purposes and guidances.
[19:47] I'm not the legal expert on that, so I'm going to not comment too in depth on it just because I don't necessarily have the best
[19:51] understanding of where those nuances lie.
[19:57] But it seems that we're actually, I think, in a position where we can leverage a lot of that stuff that hasn't been done
[20:00] previously to alleviate some of this burden.
[20:06] I think with a structured approach like that.
[20:09] And also.
[20:10] You know, kind of cutting where our.
[20:12] Frivolous, more frivolous expenses are across the budget as a whole will be in a position to cover the expenses. Now, that's not
[20:17] to say that it's going to be.
[20:21] Easy.
[20:23] And maybe the road quality will be a little bit worse.
[20:26] But I would much rather.
[20:28] Deal with a slightly bumpy Rd. on occasion.
[20:32] Then continually tax ourselves out of prosperity.
[20:37] I hope that all made sense.
[20:39] Thank you, Parker.
[20:40] Any other comments?
[20:43] On this from Council.
[20:45] Kim, please come on up, Sir. Thank you.
[20:52] That was loud.
[20:56] Yeah, I heard the.
[20:57] The comments about heavy duty vehicles, those primarily that are working in subdivisions that are being developed or projects that
[21:00] are being developed.
[21:04] But I didn't hear anything about.
[21:06] Them bearing any kind of.
[21:07] Cost in association with that.
[21:10] Wear and tear that they're putting on the roads when the rest of us are barely touching it.
[21:14] May I?
[21:15] Please go ahead. Yes, so.
[21:18] Those development agreements.
[21:21] Are all largely in place, so the transportation utility fee isn't something that we can use.
[21:26] Directly to.
[21:30] Better address that issue.
[21:32] So we need to look at another Ave. to do that and that's I think part of why.
[21:36] We've had the discussions both.
[21:38] In public, and I know that the mayor's been working on this as well.
[21:41] Renegotiating the impact fees and the agreements that we're having with.
[21:46] The developers that are active in Vineyard and putting that wear on the infrastructure.
[21:50] Because we.
[21:51] I mean, ultimately.
[21:52] Even if those impact fees don't directly fund.
[21:55] The road maintenance.
[21:57] What they do do is alleviate a financial burden somewhere else that allows us to use the general fund then to.
[22:02] Cover down on the road maintenance.
[22:05] Thank you.
[22:07] Any other comments?
[22:10] Counsel.
[22:12] OK.
[22:14] I would just echo the.
[22:15] The mayor's done a phenomenal job.
[22:19] Shrinking the size of our government. I know he'll have further.
[22:22] Information on that in terms of what he's going to request in the upcoming annual budget?
[22:26] And I know the.
[22:27] The reorganization has been.
[22:29] Extremely successful in that and we always increase in revenue, I mean anywhere between 800,000 and a million and if you look at
[22:34] the cost reductions.
[22:39] That the mayor has done. I feel confident how it comes together is going to be Parker, you know, putting it together and if he's
[22:43] got confidence to be able to make it happen. I the numbers are there.
[22:48] And there's further cuts that we think we could make.
[22:53] And I just think looking at the.
[22:56] What they're thinking about doing? It's possible.
[22:59] And I would rather and same thing.
[23:01] You can look up and down.
[23:03] A Geneva road and everyone's chosen the other side of the road.
[23:08] And they looked at the current landscape and for us to go at a tough.
[23:13] It's like, wow, they already weren't picking us so.
[23:16] Piling it on.
[23:17] We've got to be more competitive to get them to our side of Geneva Rd. so.
[23:23] Thank you.
[23:23] Any other comments?
[23:26] Councilman Nair, yes, I do have.
[23:28] Quite a few.
[23:30] Do we want to close the public hearing first? Do we have anyone else from the public who wants to? Yeah. Do we have anyone else?
[23:40] Yeah, we could, but.
[23:42] Yeah, yeah.
[23:43] The reason I asked is I know it's going to be on here later as a as a business item where we can do that. But if we're in the
[23:48] public hearing and we're already talking about it, can we just continue the conversation And that way if somebody has a question
[23:53] when it comes up, they can just come participate still? Sure, sure. I would like this to be as open to the public as possible.
[23:58] Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
[24:02] So.
[24:04] I did not vote for this when this was adopted late last year.
[24:09] Primarily because at the time.
[24:12] I was still kind of vying to be. This was my very first meeting where this was adopted and.
[24:16] I had read through a lot, but I hadn't had.
[24:18] Enough time to dig into the actual study of the transportation utility fee.
[24:22] And.
[24:24] Just from first glance it looked.
[24:26] Excessive.
[24:28] Mostly because of the structure of it.
[24:31] For residents, we had a nice flat rate for businesses that kind of scaled based on size.
[24:36] And.
[24:38] I know there was some urgency. Based on what?
[24:40] Some of the members of the state legislature were pushing that.
[24:44] Basically required certain.
[24:47] Certain activities that happen before implementing a fee.
[24:52] To to make sure that those fees directly tied to the impacts.
[24:58] That businesses or residents had on the roads.
[25:01] So. So with that, I chose not to vote for that.
[25:06] But I am concerned.
[25:09] With getting rid of it entirely.
[25:11] I know the business.
[25:13] Communities, it's too high.
[25:15] This structure, like I said before, is. It's not.
[25:18] Relevant to where it's not directly correlated with the impact that they have on the road. So I do, I do want to.
[25:26] Significantly lower that.
[25:29] But I am concerned about our budget.
[25:32] I know.
[25:34] We've identified areas to.
[25:36] Provide some reductions, but I haven't yet seen.
[25:39] The 1:00 to 1:00.
[25:42] Cuts equalling.
[25:45] Things that we are.
[25:47] Going to be able to do to reduce our.
[25:49] Our revenue as well.
[25:52] My main concerns with that on the transportation utility fee are.
[25:56] That.
[25:59] Road maintenance is.
[26:00] A lot cheaper than Rd. rebuilding.
[26:03] It's not just about having a worse quality of life, but it's about.
[26:07] Putting a greater burden on our future.
[26:11] By delaying.
[26:12] Routine maintenance if there are any routine maintenance.
[26:18] Things that get ignored because of our inability to fund this.
[26:22] It will cost us five times more.
[26:25] To rebuild in the future rather than.
[26:27] Trying to.
[26:28] To smooth out that curve and and focus on maintenance.
[26:32] I do think there's room in between to to have a reasonable fee.
[26:36] Much much lower like.
[26:37] Talking 10X lower.
[26:39] On businesses than.
[26:41] What we've been charging and that more of a.
[26:44] A flat rate would be well, but.
[26:46] I I recognize that if we remove this entirely.
[26:50] Reinstating it would.
[26:53] Require us to follow.
[26:54] That entirely new study process at the states outlined.
[26:58] For doing something like this so.
[27:00] I just want to.
[27:02] Make sure.
[27:03] That, uh.
[27:05] Whatever it is that we do here.
[27:07] Is directly correlated with.
[27:09] Reductions to the budget and actually looking at the numbers and saying.
[27:13] Here's how much revenue we're going to lower.
[27:16] Here's how much expenditures we're going to lower.
[27:18] And short of having.
[27:21] A more in depth analysis on that.
[27:23] I just don't feel prepared to.
[27:26] Completely eliminated, but I would like to propose a significant reduction of it.
[27:31] And instead of having.
[27:32] A per KSF. Just switching that to a.
[27:36] Flat rate per month.
[27:40] Something that.
[27:42] We previously brought up, and I'm not necessarily advocating for this, but I'd like to just maybe get the.
[27:47] Conversation around it.
[27:49] Was that when somebody.
[27:51] Files for a business license.
[27:53] Or reapplies for a business license that the fee would be built into the business license.
[27:58] Could I just maybe collect some?
[28:00] Feedback or thoughts on that as opposed to it being a monthly?
[28:04] Utility fee.
[28:09] There seem to be a lot of people, or a lot of.
[28:12] Draws on that possible.
[28:14] Business License.
[28:15] We talked about that as a way to help us with the overpopulation.
[28:19] Over occupancy area. Sorry.
[28:22] Of and so.
[28:23] If we layers.
[28:24] If we layer lots and lots of fees on top of the business license unless it becomes unwieldy.
[28:29] Out of curiosity, just a second and 3rd order effect here that I don't think we previously considered, but I'm glad you just
[28:33] brought it up, David.
[28:37] Is there's been discussion about us creating a?
[28:41] Essentially the requirement for if you.
[28:43] Have a rental unit in Vineyard? You get a business license for that.
[28:47] In doing that, you now set yourself up for the.
[28:50] Business transportation utility fee as well.
[28:55] So we already are layering on.
[28:58] More and more and more, it's just where they.
[29:00] Getting from now. I'm not an advocate for keeping the transportation utility fee at all.
[29:06] My theory is.
[29:10] OK, for example, let's take the forge.
[29:13] Right, we know we're struggling to get.
[29:16] An entertainment anchor.
[29:17] In the forge, right?
[29:19] If we look at.
[29:22] Topgolf.
[29:23] Or we look at.
[29:25] Megaplex.
[29:27] What are?
[29:29] And I apologize because I know Evan's not here, so we're not going to have the exact answer.
[29:33] But how much sales tax revenue do they generate for the city each year?
[29:38] And if we think about it in terms of that.
[29:40] Right, I think Evan sent an e-mail earlier today.
[29:43] To all of us.
[29:44] That specified, you know, the transportation utility fee.
[29:47] For the remainder of this year, the projection was something like.
[29:50] $525,000 or maybe $600,000, but in that range.
[29:56] My theory is.
[29:58] You make more money.
[29:59] If you can actually become more business friendly.
[30:02] And you can land somebody that's going to generate significant revenue in the city in such a way that we.
[30:08] Benefit from the tax dollars, the sales tax revenue more so than the tough.
[30:12] And so my thought is, how can we?
[30:15] Get the fees out of the way.
[30:17] So that we can incentivize business to actually come here and actually grow.
[30:22] That revenue source?
[30:26] I'm sorry.
[30:27] Well, Chip, would you like to just while you come up, what would be your thoughts on? Oh, yeah, come on up, Come on up, Chip.
[30:33] What would be your thoughts on?
[30:35] It sounds like.
[30:36] The business.
[30:37] I mean, the business is my biggest concern.
[30:39] Yeah, umm.
[30:40] With the residential units for example.
[30:43] If you have.
[30:44] A rental unit.
[30:46] Then both the homeowner and the rental each pay that fee and so it kind of balances out the.
[30:52] The impact on the roads.
[30:54] Rather than.
[30:55] Just looking at property taxes, which.
[30:58] You know you're just looking at the home value.
[31:00] So what about?
[31:02] Potentially.
[31:03] Eliminating the business fee.
[31:04] To recognize that.
[31:06] You know, we want businesses to come in, but.
[31:09] Still maintaining the residential.
[31:12] I can recognize the logic there. I am not a huge fan of keeping.
[31:18] More fees on the residents, I mean we already.
[31:21] By a significant margin have.
[31:23] High property taxes and fees across the board.
[31:26] I mean just in the last.
[31:27] Two years we've seen.
[31:28] The property tax go up, we've seen the water rates go up, we saw the sewer rate go up like.
[31:33] It's at some point.
[31:36] The government has to acknowledge the fact that we are outspending what we can.
[31:41] Continually generating revenue and we have to curtail the spend.
[31:46] And I'm.
[31:47] Fine to like on that that approach I'm fine to.
[31:50] Eliminate fees to reduce taxes.
[31:53] Once we've.
[31:55] Definitively identify those things, that's what.
[31:57] I want to make sure we're not.
[31:59] Putting the cart before the horse on.
[32:01] Cutting our.
[32:02] Revenue before we've cut our spending, sure.
[32:04] So chip could chip please chip price Providence one of the things that I really that.
[32:10] Really. Kind of.
[32:11] Gets in my craw about.
[32:13] About.
[32:14] Fees is that?
[32:15] This is just a normal, another form of taxation.
[32:18] And if you guys are not getting to a place where you've you've already maxed out your tax bracket.
[32:24] That you can legally.
[32:26] Put upon the people of Vineyard.
[32:28] If you're at that.
[32:29] Max bracket. That means that you guys are doing it wrong.
[32:33] Right. You should be able to run this city and provide your services and not have.
[32:38] To have big spending problems if you have maxed out your credit card.
[32:44] US where your credit card.
[32:45] Right.
[32:47] If you guys keep.
[32:49] The environment at a place where it is nominal and and functional, then you're going to draw in people that are going to.
[32:56] Backfill.
[32:57] That deficit that you have.
[32:59] And so.
[33:00] My biggest concern and my biggest problem is that once you put it.
[33:04] Tax or a fee in place?
[33:06] They're there. Very, very few times does the government come in and say, you know what?
[33:13] We filled our coffers. It's time. We're going to turn this off. That doesn't happen.
[33:17] Because they're like.
[33:18] What for? We can continue to use this for this other project I have?
[33:22] Biggest problem with government?
[33:24] So if you guys can find a way to make it so that you guys are drawing in business and drawing in people.
[33:29] You get more of us moving into Vineyard, you get more people moving.
[33:33] Their businesses.
[33:34] UVU actually wants to put their stuff here.
[33:37] All that stuff is going to generate exactly what you're looking for, so maybe putting a Band-Aid on it.
[33:42] Not a bad idea.
[33:43] Let's just get through the next.
[33:45] 10 years and.
[33:47] Maybe your tax base will be there.
[33:50] Thank you.
[33:52] Any other comments?
[33:54] Discussion from Council.
[33:57] Thank you for that comment, I really appreciate that the the long term view has always been.
[34:02] Key. In my mind I do.
[34:05] I am.
[34:08] I made this promise as I was running that Vineyard would have.
[34:11] The uh.
[34:13] Lowest property taxes in 20 years.
[34:16] And.
[34:18] Depending on the decisions that are made over the next 20 years, that can absolutely happen.
[34:22] I'm confident we can provide the absolute best services.
[34:25] While maintaining the lowest taxes as we continue to grow and and see those economic benefits come in.
[34:31] And so.
[34:32] I just want to make sure that along the process.
[34:34] We're not setting ourselves up by.
[34:37] You know, not maintaining.
[34:39] Our road for a dollar now.
[34:41] That we have to pay those, those 5 dollars, $10 expenses down the road on that long term curve so as long as we can.
[34:48] Identify that I'm absolutely supportive of getting rid of these fees.
[34:52] I do know it is a goal of this council as well to to cut taxes significantly.
[34:57] And so I want to make sure that.
[34:58] If we're going to.
[35:00] Start pulling levers. Let's make sure we're.
[35:03] Not pulling all of them off at the same time.
[35:06] If if we do need them to maintain.
[35:08] One thing I don't want to do is.
[35:10] Just to deficit spend without any.
[35:13] Certain structure. I mean, if we've got.
[35:16] A structure laid out for the next three years of hey, we have a plan to spend it to our reserves.
[35:21] These years.
[35:23] Recognizing that our goal is to continue to get more businesses, continue to get more sales tax growth.
[35:29] That's something I could get behind, but.
[35:32] Just as long as the plan is there, essentially.
[35:36] I'm super supportive of.
[35:39] Turning the lever off right now, I think for the businesses, it makes a ton of sense to turn that lever off right now.
[35:45] But anyway, those are.
[35:47] Thanks for that are my thoughts.
[35:48] On transportation utility fee only.
[35:53] There was something in here about giving the mayor authority to.
[35:57] Reduce fees and I just wanted to talk about what.
[36:00] What that?
[36:02] Was for or.
[36:05] If we think that's a good idea.
[36:07] I suspect that that is it's just in the language of the past hearing, but it's not weirdly written. I think that that is probably
[36:11] just referencing.
[36:16] That we're talking about.
[36:18] In the business item, having a resolution to amend the fee schedule.
[36:22] OK. Does that mean that?
[36:24] You're going to null and void the last month of everyone's.
[36:27] So the thought behind this so as our code.
[36:31] Currently states.
[36:33] So tomorrow morning.
[36:35] If we don't act.
[36:36] So we kind of got behind the 8 ball on this.
[36:39] Utility bills go out tomorrow morning, April 1st.
[36:43] Right Wednesday, Thursday. Thursday.
[36:45] So how how the code currently sits is and if we wanted to reduce that, if we just if I just wanted to say OK.
[36:53] Listen when we need.
[36:54] Throttle this down to a dollar a door.
[36:56] Right. Currently that leverage, I can't pull that lever, so we have to come in here. So we kind of earned this little boondoggle
[37:00] of the situation where it's.
[37:04] Where?
[37:05] The intent is.
[37:08] Obviously not to chase off our businesses, right? And I'm concerned if this goes much further.
[37:14] The it's it's getting pretty ugly.
[37:17] For a lot of companies out there.
[37:20] So this would allow us.
[37:23] To do that, I'm sorry. Go ahead if this resolution passes.
[37:26] That that goes away, correct the the bills. There's no need then for any other additional power to lower fees.
[37:33] That's not required. So do you want me to address this resolution? Sure, please. So.
[37:38] As we were unpacking all the.
[37:42] Fun of the tough.
[37:43] We also.
[37:44] Were finding frustrations.
[37:46] With trying to.
[37:50] Established fees for Vineyard days.
[37:52] Because.
[37:53] And you know.
[37:55] We wanted the ability to say, OK, well, maybe we'd.
[38:00] Don't want to charge? Let's say a particular like.
[38:03] And city.
[38:06] Recognized nonprofit like the Heritage Foundation, maybe we don't want to charge them for.
[38:12] Parade entry.
[38:13] We wouldn't have the option to not charge them.
[38:17] Under the fee schedule.
[38:18] Because the fee schedule is set.
[38:20] So. So it gave us no flexibility.
[38:24] And the mayor had no power to adjust the fee schedule. And so we thought, well.
[38:29] This may be the fee schedule.
[38:31] Can be the maximum.
[38:33] The city can charge for fees.
[38:35] And then we.
[38:36] The mayor was given the authority to be able to make.
[38:44] Adjustments downwards that would.
[38:46] Be appropriate.
[38:47] Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah.
[38:50] Yeah, that makes sense. I would just.
[38:53] Want to disagree with that approach and.
[38:56] Keep it as.
[38:57] Either the Council creates a policy.
[38:59] Where we identify exactly what will.
[39:02] Consider lowering fees for.
[39:04] Just so that the mayor doesn't.
[39:06] I mean if we if we in theory.
[39:09] Just told the mayor you can lower fees as much as you want. Everybody's going to be banging down his door.
[39:13] Saying to lower his fees.
[39:16] Rather than kind of bringing it to a public process and.
[39:19] Saying that this is.
[39:20] A decision of the.
[39:22] The whole to.
[39:23] To reduce a fee in any given circumstance.
[39:25] I think we we could easily create a policy that identifies, hey, what kind of operations do we want to?
[39:31] Lower fees for but.
[39:32] I would just have concerns with.
[39:35] Not having that.
[39:36] Come to the Council.
[39:38] So there are already.
[39:42] Circumstances that are in current code.
[39:44] Where the mayor can reduce fees.
[39:47] And that's for fines.
[39:49] Well, I think that's what Ezra is bringing up, is that we should just.
[39:52] Write a policy in code that actually specifies when that can be done.
[39:57] Versus just giving him blanket authority.
[39:59] OK. I think if our legal counsel were here, he would.
[40:03] Advise us that once we give.
[40:05] Away a power to the somebody it's impossible to get back correct.
[40:10] I think he is here. Is he on the mic? He was on the call. He was not here.
[40:16] Carol, any other comments on this?
[40:20] Alrighty, I will.
[40:24] Entertain a motion to leave the public hearing.
[40:27] So moved.
[40:29] Do I have a second?
[40:30] 2nd.
[40:31] All in favor.
[40:32] Aye.
[40:33] Awesome motion.
[40:34] Passes. OK, let's jump down to 5 #5.
[40:39] Mayor and council members disclosures and recusals. Do I have any?
[40:44] Any disclosures?
[40:47] So that is going to be that is.
[40:50] On that is 8.8 weight .1. It's on the back David.
[40:56] 8.1.
[40:58] What's that awesome?
[41:03] OK. Any disclosures from the Council?
[41:08] OK, I made a joke.
[41:10] Just so that everyone can be clued in on the joke, I told Jacob Hold away that he needs to disclose all the ways he is financially
[41:14] benefiting from 400 S right now.
[41:19] Yeah. So I'll take the time since the emails have been coming in.
[41:23] I live at 392 hold away Hold Away road and I purchased my home.
[41:28] Well, after the right of way was purchased.
[41:32] And so.
[41:34] The uh.
[41:35] I am not gaining financially either way on the road being widened or not widening and the.
[41:42] Right of way will stay the same.
[41:45] And I believe in both plans, the traffic.
[41:47] Is not changed in both situations, the speed limit stays the same.
[41:53] In both situations and the traffic and the bike lanes are still provided in.
[41:58] Both situations so.
[42:01] And it's kind of a.
[42:03] Unfortunate. Umm.
[42:05] The property and.
[42:06] In uh.
[42:09] Affected is my father's property.
[42:11] And you know, my dad was the first to set up stand up for Wakara Way.
[42:18] And put forth a donation of 1/4 mile of.
[42:22] Easement to make that trail happen.
[42:25] And I know it yet hasn't happened.
[42:28] But to be to get bombarded with emails that my dad is trying to profit off of this.
[42:34] There is.
[42:35] 3 competing master plan.
[42:37] Projects that do not line up.
[42:40] For those that don't know, so.
[42:42] The east of my house.
[42:44] Where the Rileys and the Fernandez don't or not Fernandez?
[42:49] The.
[42:51] Does not line up.
[42:53] With uh.
[42:53] My side of the road.
[42:55] And so having them line up with two completely different master plans is the purpose.
[43:02] We do not own the right of way on my father's property as a city and when this came up in October and November I recused myself
[43:08] from and there was no official vote, but if there would have been.
[43:13] To purchase that or not purchase that.
[43:16] On that specific issue I would have recused myself, but it never got to.
[43:22] Eminent domain.
[43:24] I can promise that if it does come to eminent domain.
[43:26] That I wouldn't vote on that specific issue.
[43:29] But I ran on making 400 N or 400 S safe and I would 100% vote.
[43:36] And I ran on that. So anyway, just.
[43:39] Full disclosure, I don't make any money on that so.
[43:41] Thank you, Jake.
[43:42] Any anyone else from council?
[43:46] OK, hearing none, we will move to the public comment.
[43:50] Tony, did we get? Do you have the?
[43:53] Anyone like to?
[43:55] Public comment.
[43:57] Participate in that.
[43:58] Come on up, Daria.
[44:09] Again, Daria Evans, Dulles Vineyard resident.
[44:12] I just want to.
[44:15] Thank all the residents of Vineyard.
[44:17] Who have participated in?
[44:20] The donations for the library.
[44:23] Getting into that $750?
[44:26] Raised amount.
[44:27] To help the library, we have a great community.
[44:30] And I'm just.
[44:31] Really thrilled we had those donations.
[44:34] I would like to speak about a couple of agenda items later.
[44:39] On resolution 26.
[44:41] Dash 19 and also Operation Shield, if I have that opportunity. Thank you. Thanks, Daria. Thanks, Daria.
[44:49] We got David Pierce.
[44:51] David.
[44:54] David Pierce from the Cascade neighborhood.
[44:57] Having participated in.
[45:00] That library fundraising event?
[45:03] I gotta say it was wonderful.
[45:05] To have the community come together like that.
[45:08] Our house was one of the drop off point.
[45:11] For donations.
[45:13] And we were swamped.
[45:15] So it was.
[45:16] It was wonderful.
[45:18] To be part of that.
[45:21] I also have.
[45:22] Some comment that I want to make.
[45:24] On.
[45:25] Resolutions that are coming up.
[45:28] So.
[45:31] And I.
[45:33] I just want to let you know that like.
[45:40] I.
[45:43] I want to make a comment that I did if I can about please earlier.
[45:49] Issue.
[45:50] And that is the fee schedule.
[45:52] I agree with.
[45:54] With.
[45:56] Councilman Larae's comment.
[45:58] Once a legislative body gives up power and authority.
[46:04] It's difficult to get it back.
[46:06] And when you give up authority?
[46:10] You give up.
[46:11] Our voice.
[46:12] As citizens.
[46:15] So you shut us out.
[46:16] Of that discussion.
[46:18] That may deal with funding.
[46:20] Taxes and fees.
[46:22] Thank you.
[46:23] Thanks, David.
[46:25] OK.
[46:27] Seen no other public.
[46:29] Crystal, come on up.
[46:31] Is anyone else?
[46:33] After crystal, OK.
[46:35] Crystal, price, Providence. I'm just wondering where we're at.
[46:38] On transferring the HOA.
[46:41] To the citizens.
[46:43] The water's.
[46:46] It's been 8 years and I believe flagship is built out.
[46:51] That's all.
[46:52] Thank you. Are we allowed to?
[46:55] Say, could we add that to a?
[46:57] A few further.
[46:59] Agenda item that has come up so many times.
[47:03] The the state has just created an HOA.
[47:06] Protection Task Force.
[47:08] It's a new department that and like there are.
[47:11] So many drink.
[47:13] That at least 20-30 times that they say.
[47:16] In our.
[47:18] Contract and maybe just direct our attorney to look into this base to describe it. Jesse, it's.
[47:24] Usually an HOA has some sort of percentage point.
[47:27] 50%, Seventy percent, 80% built out.
[47:30] And what it's done is it's like.
[47:32] Daisy chained from one development to the next development and then they've had like 5 or 6.
[47:36] And obviously this is a private organization, but like.
[47:40] It has yet to be turned over and I believe they've then connected it to Utah City like.
[47:45] It's one in the same now with Utah City and it's like.
[47:49] So just looking into that like.
[47:51] As a city, do we have legalities to get into that? Does the state, do we direct them to the state?
[47:56] And if so.
[47:57] Could we bring it to a?
[47:59] A future.
[48:01] Working session to get to the bottom of it.
[48:04] Sure.
[48:05] Legally, yeah.
[48:05] We're gonna comment as well. Jacob would. Yeah, I was just gonna say I received a lot of complaints as well, and I believe I'm
[48:08] referring to Water's Edge.
[48:11] I think that it is built out so we.
[48:15] I support being on a.
[48:16] Would you take the assignment to?
[48:18] Reach out to Jesse and just get Yeah, well, since this is HOA, can we leave it with Jacob? Yeah, let's not. That's me, but sure,
[48:22] let's do that. We reach out to Jesse, kind of. Let's get to the.
[48:26] Start digging into that So we'll start looking into it. That is the first time I've heard about it.
[48:31] I've heard plenty of 400 S issues right? Too much?
[48:37] Thank you.
[48:37] Yeah, OK, awesome. I just, you know, I say stupid things because if I say stupid things then I'll it won't be so stupid later when
[48:41] I learn from them.
[48:46] Could the residents?
[48:49] Collect 75% signatures in their neighborhood to secede.
[48:53] From the HOA.
[48:55] I'll second that.
[49:01] Do I have to call that to a vote since it's been David, I mean motion. It's just, you know, the question for legal, we need to
[49:06] collect information from Mr. Riddle because.
[49:11] Right now as I understand it right the code.
[49:13] So it was a joke, but I mean, there's some logic behind it.
[49:16] Our city code says if.
[49:18] Citizens want to initiate.
[49:20] Something for their neighborhood or their their.
[49:23] Community.
[49:24] That it needs to go to a 75%.
[49:26] Signatures for residents in that community and if you hit that threshold.
[49:30] Then the Council has a significant reason to.
[49:32] Perform an action. Yeah. So I I don't know, I mean, I know there's the HOA protection law, but I would just be curious and.
[49:38] Can you actually?
[49:41] As a collective.
[49:43] Leave the HOA, we'll have Jacob. I would just make a note of that. I would just say the property owners are private entities in
[49:48] the HOA is a private entity, so.
[49:53] The only thing I believe that's given to us is the.
[49:57] The master agreement.
[49:59] When they did the planning and what?
[50:01] When it would be turned over, was told to the.
[50:04] City, right?
[50:05] So we could help those private entities with information.
[50:09] Of what?
[50:10] What was promised during the city, But let's have our attorney look into, yeah.
[50:15] Yeah. Thank you.
[50:17] OK, any other public comments?
[50:19] All right, seeing none, we will move down to the work session.
[50:23] For the Easy park presentation and discussion, I'm going to turn this over to Jacob Wood.
[50:28] And uh.
[50:29] Yes, I invited an easy part to come give a presentation. So as we've been many a choice, I've been looking to find a way to have
[50:34] enforcement.
[50:39] But to make sure that enforcement isn't towing first or towing only. So this is a company I found.
[50:46] Offers a more progressive form of enforcement. So I invited to come. They drove all the way down from Saint George I believe.
[50:52] And.
[50:55] Yeah, yes, I started.
[50:56] Thank you. Come on up, gentlemen.
[50:57] Thank you.
[50:58] Thank you.
[50:59] All righty. Thank you so much.
[51:01] Yeah, thanks for inviting us here. Yeah, like Jacob said.
[51:05] From Saint George, but we're working up here, so.
[51:08] And just for a little bit of background, a little bit of history.
[51:11] I've worked up here for.
[51:13] Years as far as my.
[51:15] Background repossessions, impounds, PPI's.
[51:18] All the companies, all the tow truck.
[51:20] Signs you have out there that's.
[51:22] That's what I did, but then I sold that when?
[51:24] We founded this.
[51:27] Just a couple years ago.
[51:28] So.
[51:29] Just yeah, Dave Terry.
[51:31] And I'm Cam Terry.
[51:34] So we just found a.
[51:36] Or tighten a lot more.
[51:38] Tech company you know to run this to enforce we can do everything that.
[51:42] My tow company used to do, but without taking people's cars.
[51:46] And it's so much cheaper for him.
[51:48] And you can still.
[51:49] Provide compliance so.
[51:54] But like I said over the 25 years that I've had.
[51:57] With parking enforcement experience or.
[51:59] Our foundation that comes from understanding and sorry, we don't have this up there that.
[52:05] Since this was an apple.
[52:06] The low connection was for a Mac, so we'll just kind of look at it and read through here.
[52:11] But.
[52:13] Like I said, easy park it was.
[52:15] Accepted and founded in Saint George, but it's growing so fast now we're up in Oregon.
[52:20] Also met with the committee up in Rexburg with BYU.
[52:24] And got that municipality going up there, so we can do everything from municipalities.
[52:29] Private HOA's even working with the Larry H Miller Group, Wasatch Group.
[52:33] So different types of properties from commercial down to residential.
[52:38] Yeah.
[52:40] So.
[52:42] One of the one of the things that.
[52:44] Kind of sets us apart.
[52:45] Is.
[52:46] Are innovative enforcement.
[52:48] So we have an all in one.
[52:53] Basically all inclusive.
[52:56] Parking ecosystem.
[52:57] So this.
[52:58] We have a license plate.
[53:00] Based enforcement system and and permit system. So there's no need for, no need for.
[53:06] Sticker permits.
[53:08] Or hang tag permits, we can do digital permits and then how we.
[53:12] Cross reference that is with a license plate reading camera car.
[53:16] And.
[53:17] We built this out.
[53:19] Because.
[53:20] With his background of 25 years in the towing industry, we realized that there's a lot of stress. There's a lot of.
[53:27] Confrontation. There's a lot of friction.
[53:29] That.
[53:30] Is caused from towing.
[53:32] And we're like, there's gotta be, there's gotta be a software approach.
[53:35] A better approach?
[53:36] And a more acceptable approach.
[53:39] And that's where we found.
[53:41] That's when we built out the license plate reading camera car and then we ticket.
[53:45] Or notices of noncompliance.
[53:47] And we issue those.
[53:50] We have fixed cameras.
[53:52] That can be installed at like commercial entrances or commercial.
[53:56] Lots the entrances we can do mobile LPR on.
[54:01] Oh yeah.
[54:05] Let's see here.
[54:06] Look at Mr. it, you might be in luck.
[54:11] Let's see here allow this.
[54:24] Let's see.
[54:26] What?
[54:27] What do I need to do now?
[54:29] So I plugged it in. I allowed it.
[54:31] You haven't talked there.
[54:35] OK. And then that goes into this.
[54:38] Dongle to the dongle.
[54:54] Cross our fingers.
[54:56] Maybe.
[55:13] It would have worked.
[55:15] And what if?
[55:16] OK, I downloaded that app to.
[55:20] OK.
[55:23] Air.
[55:25] Oh, I see.
[55:29] Let's see, let's try airplane.
[55:31] This won't this won't work OK.
[55:38] OK, screen mirroring.
[55:44] I'm on the. I'm on the guest Wi-Fi.
[55:46] Does that change?
[55:48] What is the?
[55:48] Wi-Fi the TV.
[55:50] Thread behind you on the wall here.
[55:52] OK, I'm on that one. Perfect.
[55:55] Should pull up them.
[56:11] Would this bring up the TV?
[56:15] OK. That's what we're trying to do. It's not pulling up.
[56:25] OK, yeah, let me get on that one.
[56:31] OK, so it's Vineyard.
[56:34] OK. And then?
[56:39] 4.
[56:40] 05.
[56:42] 77.
[56:56] There it is.
[56:58] So East.
[57:00] North.
[57:11] It's trying it on the north.
[57:20] Oh, OK.
[57:23] 8300.
[57:38] There it is.
[57:41] Hey, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for your help.
[57:49] Awesome.
[57:50] OK, so.
[57:55] So yeah, we talked about the.
[57:57] The license plate reading or the license plate recognition?
[58:00] And we can do that mobile.
[58:02] Which I think mobile makes most sense for.
[58:04] For Vineyard and we kind of drove around and saw some of the locations that we discussed with Jacob and.
[58:10] And so mobile would probably make the most sense.
[58:13] We do. That is, we just have these cameras on this car and it'd be going around and checking.
[58:18] The streets checking the private parking lots or the public parking lots, making sure that people.
[58:22] Have have their permits.
[58:24] And so.
[58:25] With this approach.
[58:27] We didn't remove.
[58:28] Boots on the ground, we upgraded them.
[58:30] Easy Park replaced outdated tow truck enforcement with mobile LPR camera vehicles.
[58:35] Creating a smarter automated system. The result is a win, win, win.
[58:39] Less frustration for residents, better oversight for property managers or city members.
[58:44] And more efficient consist.
[58:47] Enforcement.
[58:48] Our system drives higher compliance with a more organized and modern approach.
[58:52] So and just for a little update on the enforcement.
[58:55] A lot of our neighboring states.
[58:57] Where we're busy too.
[58:58] Is.
[58:59] They're changing the law. So like, we've all seen it here in Utah, where?
[59:02] Tow trucks can drive around on patrol.
[59:05] And then they see a violation.
[59:06] And they take it.
[59:08] The states are doing away with that, so that's why we're getting so busy and.
[59:11] In Colorado and Oregon.
[59:13] Because you need a third party company like Easy Park. We come in.
[59:17] And you have to verify it and then dispatch the toe.
[59:20] And I don't know if Utah will go that way, but our neighboring states.
[59:23] Are which it makes sense like just more eyes on it.
[59:27] So it maintains that we're the judge, you guys.
[59:31] Then it comes to us as a city to approve if it can or cannot be towed to dispatch it, is what you're saying.
[59:37] It would fall but that way there's a still this has to come from another company I see instead of 1 tow truck driver saying I'm
[59:41] gonna take.
[59:45] Right. OK, that makes sense.
[59:47] Yeah, so this is our car.
[59:49] This is the.
[59:50] So there's the car on the left and a zoomed in picture on the right of the camera.
[59:54] And so.
[59:55] It's just a normal little Nissan and where you can just we can build it out with our technology and.
[1:00:00] And it works.
[1:00:03] This is all a better approach to parking.
[1:00:06] We believe parking should be simple, fair and efficient for everyone.
[1:00:10] Traditional parking.
[1:00:12] Enforcement has long relied on reactive, labor intensive methods like towing.
[1:00:16] This often leads to frustration and consistency and negative interactions with the public.
[1:00:20] With our Win Win Win program, we solved a constant headaches of towing and create organization for the roads and streets. This
[1:00:26] organization provides open parking for those who need to park and a cheaper, safer option to those who violate the rules.
[1:00:33] And then?
[1:00:34] On the right.
[1:00:35] There there's.
[1:00:37] Little picture of.
[1:00:38] What?
[1:00:39] The permit kind of looks like.
[1:00:41] And we do have a.
[1:00:42] A demo we actually built out.
[1:00:44] The vineyard area with some of the properties that we've been talking about and so we can show you that how.
[1:00:51] That looks on a map. There's little pins pins everywhere of the properties that could.
[1:00:56] Have the permits or for people to reserve parking.
[1:01:00] OK, why this works? Why Easy Park leads the industry in parking enforcement.
[1:01:05] Because it reduces friction and improves experience.
[1:01:08] With the license plate based enforcement, it removes the need for physical permits.
[1:01:12] And eliminates confrontation.
[1:01:14] This creates A smoother, more user friendly experience.
[1:01:17] Kinda like how you mentioned we did this, you know, with the city up there in Rexburg.
[1:01:21] For years.
[1:01:22] BYU students.
[1:01:24] Even citizens to park on the road, they had to go into the.
[1:01:27] Mayor's office and there'd be a long line and they'd have to get physical permits.
[1:01:30] So they loved this.
[1:01:32] They don't even have to deal with that anymore.
[1:01:34] Drives compliance without aggression and structured progressive enforcement model encourages voluntary compliance.
[1:01:40] First, leading to fewer violations and repeat offenses.
[1:01:45] It ensures transparency and accountability.
[1:01:47] All activity is digitally recorded and reportable.
[1:01:51] Giving cities and property owners full insight into operations.
[1:01:55] So it really is a true win, win, win.
[1:01:58] Residents win. That's less stress. Clear rules.
[1:02:01] Cities when property owners better control an organization enforcement greater efficiency, fewer conflicts.
[1:02:10] So the the whole system.
[1:02:13] Is designed and built.
[1:02:14] To scale.
[1:02:15] So.
[1:02:16] As Vineyard grows.
[1:02:18] The uh.
[1:02:19] Parking demand is going to is going to rise, it's going to increase and I'm sure you guys have already kind of felt that already.
[1:02:25] As vineyard is is very dense.
[1:02:27] And so that.
[1:02:28] That demand as it drives.
[1:02:29] Higher we can.
[1:02:32] We can scale with that.
[1:02:34] And so.
[1:02:36] This we.
[1:02:38] Our easy park we can manage public.
[1:02:40] And private properties.
[1:02:41] Under 1 system that is.
[1:02:43] That is the beautiful thing about.
[1:02:45] Easy Park.
[1:02:46] With being a complete parking ecosystem.
[1:02:48] From you, You're not going to have vendors.
[1:02:51] Having.
[1:02:53] Digital permits.
[1:02:54] And that's all they.
[1:02:55] Do and enforcement and that's all they do. We are a complete package and we can do public and private.
[1:03:03] We standardize enforcement.
[1:03:06] So.
[1:03:07] Enforcement will all be the same from public and private Signage is going to be the same and we actually brought some signage
[1:03:10] examples.
[1:03:15] Some different sizes.
[1:03:16] And we pay for the signs and we install them.
[1:03:20] Yeah. So our team will do that and.
[1:03:23] Depending on where it's at, you know, it might not say pay for parking, might just say register for parking. We.
[1:03:27] We build the signs.
[1:03:28] How you guys want?
[1:03:30] And so that is.
[1:03:32] Kind of depends on.
[1:03:33] What the signs are for?
[1:03:35] But then the compliance across all zones.
[1:03:38] So we can, we can zone out.
[1:03:40] Different, different areas of Vineyard. So we might have zone A.
[1:03:44] Be, say, the vine.
[1:03:46] Or.
[1:03:47] Zone B is and we can.
[1:03:50] Name the zones, just whatever they.
[1:03:51] The complexes are the preserve the.
[1:03:55] Alloy. Umm.
[1:03:56] However that looks.
[1:03:57] Will make it so that.
[1:03:59] People can.
[1:04:00] Choose.
[1:04:01] Choose the alloy, say and purchase their permit there or.
[1:04:04] Get their permit if they're not purchasing it, yeah.
[1:04:07] Provide centralized reporting and management for the city leadership. So you guys will have.
[1:04:11] Full transparency to see everything and as.
[1:04:14] As the city expands and parking demands increase, Easy Park ensures that systems remain consistent, efficient and easy to manage.
[1:04:22] And along with that, when I first met Jacob.
[1:04:25] I was up here 2 weeks ago.
[1:04:27] And with K&R?
[1:04:29] Their property management company, we do a lot of their properties in Saint George. They've been asking us to get up into here.
[1:04:34] So I was in his office and he wants to switch over the.
[1:04:37] Water's edge.
[1:04:39] Lakefront, Lakefront, OK.
[1:04:43] And then he told me about.
[1:04:45] Come to talk to the city of Vineyard.
[1:04:47] And then so while I was here, I went into a lot of the private big complexes.
[1:04:50] And it really was like 95% of people.
[1:04:54] Like can we do this and how soon can you get up here?
[1:04:57] Because.
[1:04:57] When you're when you're a manager on a complex.
[1:05:00] Someone gets towed.
[1:05:01] They're coming in the office and.
[1:05:03] They're ticked off.
[1:05:05] So they.
[1:05:05] They loved this.
[1:05:09] Yeah, so we are.
[1:05:11] Or sorry, did you have some?
[1:05:13] No, go ahead. OK. So more, more than a vendor.
[1:05:16] As easy.
[1:05:18] We will.
[1:05:19] We are a true partner.
[1:05:20] And as a true partner, we'd commit to.
[1:05:22] Make parking easier to manage, easier to enforce, and easier to for the public to understand.
[1:05:27] Do more than just provide enforcement. We'll take ownership of the entire parking ecosystem. Act as an extension of the city.
[1:05:35] From implementation to daily operations.
[1:05:38] To long term optimization we will work with integrity.
[1:05:41] And a citizen first mentality.
[1:05:48] OK, So what this means for Vineyard?
[1:05:51] And how we'll move forward in these different phases 1 unified system.
[1:05:55] A single platform managing all parking environments, public roads, private streets, residential areas.
[1:06:00] Commercial zones.
[1:06:02] Eliminating fragmentation and confusion.
[1:06:05] One accountable partner.
[1:06:07] No juggling multiple vendors kind of, Cam talked about.
[1:06:10] Or systems Easy Park provides clear ownership.
[1:06:13] Consistent communication and full accountability across the entire city.
[1:06:17] One streamlined solution, Standardized signage enforcement technology and reporting.
[1:06:23] Creating a seamless experience for residents, visitors.
[1:06:26] And city leadership alike.
[1:06:29] And then as the implementation plan.
[1:06:31] Phase I.
[1:06:33] And usually it's about a 3030 day implementation.
[1:06:37] Project and so phase one is planning and setup.
[1:06:40] So we'll identify the zones or different properties that you guys would like us to.
[1:06:44] To patrol.
[1:06:46] And.
[1:06:47] And then?
[1:06:48] Customized rules and enforcement strategy.
[1:06:50] So if it's let me add to what the planning and setup.
[1:06:53] Lot of the complexes will keep.
[1:06:55] The current contract at the tow company.
[1:06:57] Because whatever escalation system we set up, say like if it's two tickets first.
[1:07:02] And a boot, then the tow company.
[1:07:05] We have dispatched that tow.
[1:07:06] So they can, you can keep those contracts, but all you do is call them and say hey.
[1:07:11] We're only going to call you on the call in basis.
[1:07:14] Yeah, no more petroleum for the tow truck.
[1:07:17] So in phase one as well, we had customized the rules and enforcement strategy. The rules are going to look different for every.
[1:07:23] Every property, some might be no street parking, some might be only permit, some might be fire lane and.
[1:07:29] And handicap.
[1:07:30] So however that looks.
[1:07:31] We'll build that.
[1:07:33] And customize that for you.
[1:07:35] Phase 2.
[1:07:36] Installation. So we're going to have our sign.
[1:07:38] Signs printed and then.
[1:07:42] Installed.
[1:07:43] Through our signage.
[1:07:44] Team and then system configuration. So what this looks like is geofencing every.
[1:07:50] Every property and.
[1:07:52] Coding the different rules, coding the different.
[1:07:55] Permits and so.
[1:07:57] There's a lot that goes in behind the scenes for the coding of the technology.
[1:08:01] But uh.
[1:08:01] It's a pretty quick process and then Phase 3 is go live, so we choose a date, say May 1st or June 1st.
[1:08:08] Begin enforcement with a grace period so we might have a.
[1:08:11] A week or two week where we give warnings.
[1:08:14] And then public education and communication will build out materials for you guys.
[1:08:19] And we can go.
[1:08:21] And do whatever we need to do to help you.
[1:08:24] The best that we can to just get the word out there that things are changing.
[1:08:28] Because the last thing we.
[1:08:29] We want is for the residents to be confused on.
[1:08:32] Why? Why they got a ticket or why?
[1:08:35] Why they now had to have a permit or however that looks.
[1:08:39] Phase 4 optimization. Ongoing adjustments if necessary based on data.
[1:08:43] Monthly reporting and performance reviews.
[1:08:46] So we want to be very communicative with you guys.
[1:08:49] Whether it be monthly, quarterly?
[1:08:51] Or however that looks.
[1:08:52] To to make sure.
[1:08:54] We are always aligned with you and doing the things that you guys want and need.
[1:09:00] And that's it. So.
[1:09:02] We wanted just to prepare a little brief.
[1:09:04] Overview Brief summary of.
[1:09:06] The basics that we cover.
[1:09:08] And then we wanted to just answer any questions that you guys have.
[1:09:11] Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you.
[1:09:15] Can you explain so?
[1:09:17] You're not for the public. This is not a towing company you guys dispatched to.
[1:09:22] A company to do that enforcement.
[1:09:23] Correct.
[1:09:24] Yeah, but you do patrol with your vehicle to scan the license plate and if the license plate comes back, they don't have a permit
[1:09:30] then they either they ticket first. Can you explain how much the ticket would cost?
[1:09:38] Yeah. So the ticket on average is $100.
[1:09:42] So it's 1/3 or 1/4 of the cost of a tow.
[1:09:45] And so.
[1:09:46] That's what all of our Saint George properties have in Oregon.
[1:09:51] We we kind of average around 7075.
[1:09:54] And so it kind of varies between 75 and 100 bucks. So a lot cheaper than a tow.
[1:10:00] And then?
[1:10:02] We can decide.
[1:10:03] With you guys, how you'd like it, if it's a ticket, ticket, boot, or if it's four tickets or three tickets, then a boot.
[1:10:09] And then a toe.
[1:10:10] And the boot is $75. It's cheaper because it keeps our car there. The ticket is a little bit more expensive because they have the
[1:10:14] freedom to be able to.
[1:10:18] To leave.
[1:10:19] And uh.
[1:10:19] And so.
[1:10:20] That's kind of where those prices.
[1:10:22] Kind of come about.
[1:10:24] So you guys?
[1:10:25] Sorry, when you when you get, you know, I've got a question from Jesse Tips.
[1:10:30] OK, there you go.
[1:10:34] Yeah, let's take Jesse's question right now.
[1:10:39] Jesse's our city attorney. He's I was just wondering, do do you sell your data?
[1:10:45] To third parties.
[1:10:46] So for example if I.
[1:10:48] Live in Vineyard and you have my license plate information.
[1:10:51] Are you selling that information? Is the picture?
[1:10:55] I would ask a couple questions here, which is a no no when you're a lawyer.
[1:10:58] But.
[1:10:59] Do you take a picture of only the license plate or the back of the tire?
[1:11:02] The back of the vehicle or the whole vehicle?
[1:11:05] What? What is it limited to that you're you're?
[1:11:08] Yeah. So we do not sell the data.
[1:11:11] And.
[1:11:12] The the enforcement pictures we require.
[1:11:15] Our enforcement.
[1:11:17] Officers to take a minimum of four pictures.
[1:11:20] For legal evidence shall end.
[1:11:23] To keep both us and you guys protected as far as like.
[1:11:27] Them saying we damaged their car or something.
[1:11:30] Along the lines of that.
[1:11:31] And so we take a minimum of four pictures. Those are uploaded to.
[1:11:35] The.
[1:11:36] The dashboard.
[1:11:37] And then you guys can see it. We can see it.
[1:11:39] Everyone can see if there's ever a question about it, but what are the pictures?
[1:11:43] Is it a picture of? I would assume 4.
[1:11:46] License plate. A picture of the car parked illegally from the front side. Rear. Exactly so So yeah. License plate.
[1:11:52] And then try and get all the different angles so that.
[1:11:55] We're we're covered on.
[1:11:56] On all angles.
[1:11:59] And so did I understand correctly you do not sell your data.
[1:12:02] Correct.
[1:12:04] OK. Thank you.
[1:12:05] Yep. Can I ask how you make money?
[1:12:09] Yeah.
[1:12:10] Yep.
[1:12:12] We make we make money on on the permits.
[1:12:14] So how?
[1:12:16] We so we talked to Jake.
[1:12:18] About this, so we normally charge around $10 a permit that covers all the management is that for permit per month or per year,
[1:12:22] per, per month, so.
[1:12:27] With with Vineyard.
[1:12:28] We discussed with all of our business partners and said well.
[1:12:31] We'll drop that down to $5.00 because.
[1:12:34] Because of the volume.
[1:12:35] So let me pause it this and maybe just collect your feedback.
[1:12:40] We talked about 3 or 4 different other.
[1:12:43] Companies besides Easy Park over the course of the last week, sure.
[1:12:47] And.
[1:12:48] Those companies that.
[1:12:49] Typical pricing model was something like.
[1:12:52] 10 to $60.00.
[1:12:54] Per household.
[1:12:56] Per year.
[1:12:57] And then they make money on the toe.
[1:12:59] Now you guys aren't?
[1:13:00] Obviously doing the toe, you're not making money on the toe.
[1:13:04] But then you're.
[1:13:06] Like one of the conversations that we're having is we want these to be citizen.
[1:13:09] Initiated.
[1:13:11] And driven, you know.
[1:13:13] Discussions.
[1:13:15] Because we don't want to make a decision that.
[1:13:17] Puts a financial burden on a bunch of residents unnecessarily.
[1:13:21] So I guess my question is.
[1:13:25] When some of these neighborhoods, if they choose to proceed with parking enforcement, are you willing to?
[1:13:30] Maybe.
[1:13:31] I guess just so they have the information but get competitive with the pricing.
[1:13:35] Are you making money on the tickets outside of the permits or just the permits? Who? Who funds on the tickets? Yeah, yeah, we'll
[1:13:39] make money on the tickets too. And then if it required a boot.
[1:13:44] And you make money on the booth. So my and I guess my theory or I'm just sharing the information to share the information we're on
[1:13:47] the public here.
[1:13:51] If you're doing $10 per.
[1:13:54] Pass per month.
[1:13:56] Right, you have a minimum of.
[1:13:58] A double.
[1:14:00] The multiple of what one of some of these other companies were looking at on the upfront cost. So that's probably a pretty big
[1:14:03] deterrent when it comes to people choosing to use you.
[1:14:07] But additionally, we were talking about, for example, Lecheme, not in Bridgeport, right? That's roughly 200 homes.
[1:14:13] And out of those 200 homes, that would be $2000 a year.
[1:14:17] To get the coverage in those areas and then those companies make their money on the actual toes.
[1:14:21] You're talking about.
[1:14:23] You know $10 per pass if you have 4 passes per.
[1:14:27] House. I mean, that's the code essentially.
[1:14:31] I mean, it's just it seems almost exorbitant to me now. I don't have a dog in the fights. And so I'm not trying to shoot you guys
[1:14:35] down on that. I just want you to know, yeah, these are the conversations that people are having and you're not in the ballpark
[1:14:39] when it comes to the upfront fee.
[1:14:43] Yeah. So it would be $5.
[1:14:45] It'd be $5 a month and.
[1:14:47] That pass.
[1:14:48] Can have as many cars as.
[1:14:50] As it as it needs. Gotcha. So it's not actually per car, correct. OK. You're doing the pass per household then yes, Yeah, you
[1:14:57] could do yeah. So 4 Max 5 Max. So if we're doing an apartment complex, an apartment.
[1:15:04] Say a 101.
[1:15:05] Has.
[1:15:06] 3 bedrooms and you guys want a three CarMax?
[1:15:09] We can set that.
[1:15:10] Set that permit to three.
[1:15:11] And so everyone in that household.
[1:15:14] Can can be on that permit for $5.00 a month.
[1:15:17] Now how do you do tailored?
[1:15:19] For example.
[1:15:20] One of the things that was concerning to the Council as a whole, I think last week when we were talking about it, was.
[1:15:25] The larger families, right? It's Utah.
[1:15:27] We got some big families in Utah.
[1:15:30] If you have, you know, three teenage drivers plus mom and pop and you've got 5 cars, do you make?
[1:15:35] A specialized, you know, does the council have to make a request to you? Is that something that a resident can send a notice and
[1:15:39] say, hey, we need a fifth pass?
[1:15:43] How does that process work for you?
[1:15:44] Yeah, Yeah, we can. We can do it however you would like. If you would like the request to come to us, we can handle it if you'd
[1:15:48] like it to work through you.
[1:15:51] Then we can set it up that way.
[1:15:54] So then, yeah, we can.
[1:15:56] We can allocate 5.
[1:15:57] To that household and.
[1:16:00] And so that's not that's not a huge deal.
[1:16:02] So like on properties like big apartment complexes, that's usually goes to the manager. So if it's different with this, then yeah,
[1:16:05] it can come to us.
[1:16:09] In my theory, and and this is just sharing where I'm at for everybody.
[1:16:13] Would be that we run that kind of stuff through the code enforcement and the code enforcement officer gets developed and you
[1:16:16] agreed you guys can do that, right?
[1:16:19] Work with code enforcement? Yeah, absolutely. So that you can work that. The code enforcement would be the one that triggers the
[1:16:22] toe.
[1:16:27] Say it. Repeat that.
[1:16:28] You can be the, you can set it up so that the code enforcement officer is the one that triggers the Boo or toe. Yeah, yeah, not
[1:16:32] you.
[1:16:37] Self defeating in your app through your app, right, But the decision like the adjudicator is the government entity, yeah.
[1:16:47] For huge, yeah, I'm pulling down so much that I mean in the complex, well, because they'll look at it and say, hey, this is a
[1:16:52] mistake here, this is a mistake here, hey, we're going to do it. And they get to know the community you guys probably wouldn't get
[1:16:56] to know.
[1:17:01] Yeah, community as well as.
[1:17:03] The code enforcement officer was sure just because we're in the work session. My argument against that though, would be that then
[1:17:06] you're.
[1:17:10] You're doing the job twice.
[1:17:12] So you're paying the code enforcement and you're paying.
[1:17:15] Easy Park.
[1:17:16] For the adjudication when it really only takes 1.
[1:17:19] Is is that on an app though? Is that like on a phone that they would log into and see the evidence or see the?
[1:17:26] That he could see the code enforcement. You see the. Yeah. So you see the one explained the dashboard. You guys said you have a
[1:17:30] dashboard. People can like a dashboard where they can see. And he said we would have access. So I mean, it would just stand to
[1:17:35] reason you could send that to the code enforcement as well. Sure. Yeah. So we can build that dashboard too.
[1:17:40] To however, works best for Vineyard.
[1:17:43] So. So yeah, if we want to.
[1:17:45] Make a system where a code enforcer can just put in.
[1:17:48] Into a section. Hey, license plate ABC123 isn't supposed to be here.
[1:17:53] It can automatically dispatch our driver.
[1:17:55] To go over and place a ticket.
[1:17:57] Or.
[1:17:57] Or we can give certain code enforcers the tools to be able to just do it themselves.
[1:18:05] Some mayor When the presentation is done, there's a comment from the back. Yeah. Anything else from council? Let's.
[1:18:13] One more quick question. We have a lot of different neighborhoods.
[1:18:17] Does it have to be all or one, or could we meet with individual neighborhoods and say they're ready, They're ready, They're sure?
[1:18:21] Yeah, we have a lot of neighborhoods that don't need it.
[1:18:27] Yeah.
[1:18:29] Fantastic, yeah.
[1:18:31] Because see our system even.
[1:18:33] If they.
[1:18:34] If the apartment complex is going to make money on the permit.
[1:18:37] NCR system even does that and then because most apartment complexes charge.
[1:18:42] Around 50 I'd say average a month on a on a permit but.
[1:18:46] They're making that revenue OK.
[1:18:49] Councilman there.
[1:18:51] What do you do when people don't pay the tickets?
[1:18:54] We assume 30 to 40% pay.
[1:18:57] So we just eat the cost.
[1:18:58] On the other 60%?
[1:19:02] OK, it's.
[1:19:03] OK, sorry this is just been.
[1:19:05] The back and forth.
[1:19:06] That we've had for the last.
[1:19:07] Two months? Sure.
[1:19:09] If.
[1:19:11] E ticket me.
[1:19:12] Can you give me the citation? 100 bucks?
[1:19:14] And I say.
[1:19:15] Not going to pay that. I mean it's on the public record now that you are assuming that 60% of people are going to pay.
[1:19:22] Yeah, so now we just choose to not pay.
[1:19:24] Parker, don't say that out loud. Don't say that. They already said it.
[1:19:28] Now I guess the question is.
[1:19:30] The escalation policies than what actually puts teeth behind that, is that correct?
[1:19:37] Because it's just like any bill. I mean, if they don't pay, it keeps going on, it's going to go to collections. I do have a
[1:19:42] question. So if they don't pay the ticket and then you boot the second violation, do they have to pay the ticket and boot?
[1:19:47] Or they just pay the bill.
[1:19:49] We normally just charge the boot.
[1:19:51] Yeah. So it doesn't stack on, yeah.
[1:19:53] I don't argue you should stack it on and and we can.
[1:19:57] We need to look more into that. We haven't looked too close. We.
[1:20:00] Honestly, we've been a little hesitant on that because sure.
[1:20:03] We don't want to.
[1:20:04] We don't want to cross a line.
[1:20:06] You know, and so.
[1:20:07] We in Texas, I know.
[1:20:10] I know that's a strong thing to do that, but it can get aggressive because some people have $1000 of outstanding tickets before
[1:20:14] they get a boot.
[1:20:17] So.
[1:20:18] We've just been doing a boom.
[1:20:21] Sure, Jacob, do you have a?
[1:20:24] Could you come up to the microphone that be great and state your name for the microphone please Sir?
[1:20:33] Yeah. Thank you.
[1:20:35] I'm Jacob Schooley. I am in Lakefront and actually I'm on the HOA board for the lakefront townhomes and had some questions about.
[1:20:43] Quite a few things actually. So.
[1:20:44] One thing I was thinking for the escalation policy, is it customizable so to where like let's say somebody pays a ticket, the next
[1:20:50] time they get another ticket. If they choose not to pay the ticket and then they violate again, then they get booted. And that
[1:20:55] could serve as like motivation to pay the ticket the first time so that they're not late to work if they mess up again.
[1:21:02] Yeah, OK. Because that I mean that could increase rates of paying the ticket and.
[1:21:08] Would still, you know, teach a lesson?
[1:21:10] Fix your past before you park.
[1:21:12] I also want to provide some context on the price situation, so.
[1:21:17] Jacob, do you have numbers at the top of your head for how many households we have in lakefront?
[1:21:23] I do not 600 something 91 I think.
[1:21:26] 691 units. 691 units. OK, so let's say we have 691 units.
[1:21:31] And that's $10 a month per unit.
[1:21:35] Then the total, let's say the lakefront offers different, right?
[1:21:39] Take the discount bro, he already offered you five, $3455 a month, Jacob, isn't it $3?
[1:21:47] Then they say $3. Yeah. Was that $3 a month or three dollars?
[1:21:51] Bike for just to set it up.
[1:21:53] That's so it'd be it'd be $5 a month, but that is.
[1:21:57] That can be charged to the residents.
[1:22:00] So then the HOA.
[1:22:03] I will say that the residents in Lakefront will be would be very against a monthly fee to be able to park in their neighborhood
[1:22:06] because in the past like.
[1:22:10] That's something they haven't had to deal with and like the towing is annoying but.
[1:22:15] Like nobody wanted to pay a monthly fee at least for the first pass. The second pass we charge 75 a year and that would cover the
[1:22:19] second pass. But for the first pass, like to be able to park your first car in the neighborhood?
[1:22:25] That's something that's.
[1:22:27] That's something that will be a major sticking point.
[1:22:29] Well, I I think tonight isn't about.
[1:22:32] Forcing any neighborhood to do this, it's like this is such an incredible option.
[1:22:36] That it's like we've researched something that people want and it's like.
[1:22:40] We can go to the different neighborhoods and say, is this something that you guys want to do and.
[1:22:44] Pulled that vote amongst each neighborhood.
[1:22:47] You know.
[1:22:48] Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Let's do this if you could.
[1:22:52] Gentlemen, if you could send this presentation to Council.
[1:22:55] And it it along. Do you have their phone number if they want to? If anyone from council wants to reach out directly, can we also
[1:23:00] post it as part of the general notes?
[1:23:07] Awesome. No, this has been super helpful. We sure appreciate that your conversation real quickly. I probably missed this. How do
[1:23:12] you get the license plates into the system?
[1:23:17] Do people enter their own license plate information or do you?
[1:23:20] How's that done?
[1:23:22] So we have.
[1:23:23] We have a few different ways that we can do this. The easiest way.
[1:23:26] Would be that we we send out a link or we set up our whoops, sorry.
[1:23:30] That we set up our signs that have the QR code.
[1:23:33] And and then the residents can scan that and download their permit right then and there or click on the link from the e-mail.
[1:23:40] Or from a flyer, however that looks.
[1:23:43] And then?
[1:23:45] They'll fill out the information, we can set it up to where there is. They had to put in an address and even apartment unit
[1:23:48] number.
[1:23:52] And that's how we can do the Max. So like one apartment might have 31, apartment might have one, it might be a studio. And and so
[1:23:56] that's how we can do the Max. And so they'll fill it out.
[1:24:01] Or.
[1:24:02] We have done this for properties in the past. This would be a huge workload for us.
[1:24:07] Which I should, I should maybe offer this, but I'm going to. But we can do it all ourselves.
[1:24:12] And we can go around and.
[1:24:13] We've door knocked in the past.
[1:24:15] And gathered information that way. It's a lot slower process.
[1:24:19] But we're willing.
[1:24:21] I want to say that just so you know, we're willing to work with you on however.
[1:24:26] We get that information. That's awesome. Thank you.
[1:24:29] OK. Thank you, gentlemen.
[1:24:31] For this event, super helpful. Was there other questions?
[1:24:33] Yeah, I've got another one.
[1:24:35] That's all right.
[1:24:36] You did mention that you have a demo of the of the website and how it works for residents, like be able to switch license plates
[1:24:40] and things like that. Okay.
[1:24:44] That would be that would be something that be great to see because one I know one thing that we that a lot of residents are be
[1:24:48] interested in is how easy it's going to be to switch between license plates and also what the policies are for if there's
[1:24:52] technical difficulties that are not.
[1:24:57] User related.
[1:24:59] If it's if like something goes down on your end, who's responsible for the ticket because they couldn't switch, like things like
[1:25:02] that, yeah.
[1:25:05] I'll send it to you. Awesome.
[1:25:09] Thank you so much, gentlemen. You guys are great. Thank you.
[1:25:11] OK, let's jump to get a question in the back.
[1:25:14] Or a comment, OK, we're just, I'm just trying to wrap this up. Would this be something that you could directly just take them,
[1:25:18] take this outline on the foyer or would you like to, I mean?
[1:25:23] Come come on up yet?
[1:25:26] So a question, a few data questions for you along with the lawyer.
[1:25:31] What is your retention?
[1:25:34] Mr. Moss, could you share your name?
[1:25:35] Oh, Steven Moss with Britt.
[1:25:37] Bridgeport Thank you, Sir.
[1:25:39] We keep it as long as needed.
[1:25:40] So as long as that.
[1:25:42] As long as needed.
[1:25:43] OK. And then second, where is your data stored?
[1:25:46] It's so we we start with.
[1:25:49] With the.
[1:25:50] A third party OK and so.
[1:25:53] They're they're called resolve.
[1:25:54] OK. And where do they store it?
[1:25:58] My question is, is it in China? Is it in Russia? Is it in US?
[1:26:02] OK, their data stored.
[1:26:04] Which though might be in different places, so I'm concerned about that.
[1:26:08] Yeah, it needs to stay.
[1:26:11] In the States if.
[1:26:12] Public comments on addressing us. And I also don't like that your attention is hey, hey, Sir.
[1:26:17] That stock adjust the chair please, what's your question and we can sorry my question is I'm heavily against data usage that's
[1:26:22] indefinitely stored.
[1:26:26] Cuts definitely against.
[1:26:28] Anyone that's in it? Sure. So thank you for thank you for that. Appreciate you. Thank you for the comment. OK, we're going to wrap
[1:26:33] this up and we're going to get going to the. Could I just have one last quick suggestion?
[1:26:39] Could we put this?
[1:26:41] And just.
[1:26:42] We've got a handful of companies that use the digital passes and so I'd love to just.
[1:26:46] Put out to bid.
[1:26:47] Let's I would suggest having the City Council kind of select a unified. I would hate to have like 6 different.
[1:26:52] Things throughout the cities so.
[1:26:54] Why don't we?
[1:26:55] There's nothing to put out to bid right now.
[1:26:57] All of the neighborhoods.
[1:26:59] Eased off.
[1:27:01] I mean like.
[1:27:02] Generally speaking, they're looking for the results of we have to strings and Providence.
[1:27:07] Actually we have to put out forbid anyways. Yeah, we have.
[1:27:11] That's the other guy that's going to happen anyway. Quit.
[1:27:13] Vacated the contract, yeah, yeah, so.
[1:27:15] I was just suggesting we just have a unified. So any neighborhood that wants to opt in, they use the contract that we set will
[1:27:19] probably get a better rate.
[1:27:23] Having the economy of scale from something like this.
[1:27:26] Thanks. OK.
[1:27:27] Awesome. Thank you, guys.
[1:27:29] Appreciate it. OK. We're going to move to business item 8.1 at this time.
[1:27:36] Let's talk about this.
[1:27:38] I know that there was some people in the in the thank you guys for coming. Sure appreciate it and.
[1:27:46] Awesome. You guys are great. Appreciate it.
[1:27:49] All righty, let's have a discussion about 8.1. If anyone in the in the is we're going through this discussion and we have any
[1:27:53] members from the audience that would like to talk, if you could just raise your hand as we kind of go through the deliberation. We
[1:27:58] can, we can call and, and have you come up.
[1:28:03] On that as well so.
[1:28:05] Moved to 8.1 resolution 20.
[1:28:08] 26-1 Amend the consolidated fee schedule.
[1:28:11] Council, any, any comments about that? Yes, Mr. David Kyle over there.
[1:28:18] You have it pulled up in front of you, correct? We didn't get physical copies. So just to save me the time from going and pulling
[1:28:21] it up online.
[1:28:26] What was the actual verbiage in the resolution when it came to granting the mayor?
[1:28:31] The powers to amend fees, so it says, only to make non substantive.
[1:28:38] Administrative adjustments as necessary.
[1:28:42] Based on our previous discussion, do we want to just remove that Section 5 and it says a city manager rather? Yeah, city manager.
[1:28:49] Or designee.
[1:28:51] Is authorized and directed to implement the provisions of this resolution.
[1:28:55] As we have no city manager, we probably ought to make it something like the mayor or designee.
[1:29:00] We don't want to give away that power, right? That's what we were previously talking about, City Council or designee.
[1:29:06] So it's non substance. I mean, it's really just small adjustments. It's to be constrained, sure, but like Mr. Riddle would say if
[1:29:14] he was here, who defines what the small adjustment is? Because to me a small adjustment is literally any fee on that fee schedule.
[1:29:24] Well, I would argue that the.
[1:29:26] The tough is not small, so.
[1:29:30] The point being.
[1:29:31] It's a subjective decision.
[1:29:33] Can we say for the immediate?
[1:29:35] 30 days. So that way he's solving it. So it's a time constraint. Well, no, no, no, no, no. This is a separate thing that right
[1:29:38] we're talking about.
[1:29:42] Amending an adopted or accepting a resolution for an adopted amended fee schedule that already removes the tough.
[1:29:48] We're talking about in addition to that.
[1:29:50] Giving the mayor power to reduce the fee schedule on different things. And it is to reduce, not to raise.
[1:29:57] Correct, that was.
[1:29:58] On purpose so that there's but I will give credit where credit is due and Ezra's point protects us from some favoritism and.
[1:30:06] Perceptions of those kind of things. For example, if I want to go become a vendor, now it.
[1:30:10] Vineyard Days.
[1:30:12] Zach could waive my fee then.
[1:30:13] And that would.
[1:30:14] Probably not be the correct thing to do.
[1:30:17] But it could be done under that, so let's just cover the bases, protect ourselves and do things the right way.
[1:30:22] Send it to the Council or make us write a code that gives us the ability to make those exceptions.
[1:30:29] I'm fine to do whatever you guys want.
[1:30:32] I do not care about this.
[1:30:35] I'll support part of the. I just want to get rid of the tough.
[1:30:38] So I do not care. So if you want to charge, if we want to charge the herd fascination, let's.
[1:30:43] My proposal would just be let's remove that line from the resolution. Let's accept the resolution that allows us to remove the
[1:30:46] tough.
[1:30:50] With the exception of Section 5.
[1:30:52] Correct.
[1:30:53] And then?
[1:30:54] If we want to write a code.
[1:30:56] That allows us.
[1:30:57] The power to negotiate or reduce those when they come in front of the council, great. I got no problem having 200 people come in
[1:31:03] front of the council and ask for a code to be reduced and I'll tell all of them no.
[1:31:08] But.
[1:31:10] But you want to be able to go home before 8, so you want to remove that to make non substantive administrative adjustments as
[1:31:13] necessary.
[1:31:17] Yeah. Ezra, does that satisfy the concern that you brought up as well?
[1:31:22] Just to remove that, yeah, just get rid of Section 5 entirely.
[1:31:26] Yeah, well, you got to have an administrative implementation in it.
[1:31:32] Yeah, that's where my comment was. Let's just remove the line that says the mayor can make the change.
[1:31:39] Just there's.
[1:31:40] Like between two commas.
[1:31:42] To make nonsense.
[1:31:43] Dance to administrative adjustments as necessary.
[1:31:48] I think the second comment, we're implementing it right now, I'd say the council is.
[1:31:53] Passing this as directing the implementation of it right now.
[1:31:56] So if we could say the.
[1:31:59] Or I just say the Council.
[1:32:02] Is authorized.
[1:32:03] And I got, I got what you're saying here. OK. So yeah, the counselor designee is authorized to.
[1:32:09] Direct and implement the provisions of this resolution.
[1:32:12] Period.
[1:32:13] Period.
[1:32:15] The council is authorized.
[1:32:17] Yeah. That way we're saying that we retain the legislative authority to amend that on a case by case basis.
[1:32:25] But that way it has to come to a public meeting, it has to be heard.
[1:32:29] Yeah, I'm fine with that.
[1:32:32] Be a long night.
[1:32:35] Also, I'd recommend changing the year on the schedule. It's got the.
[1:32:40] 2024 to 2025 fiscal year on the.
[1:32:43] The backup, yeah, Thank you.
[1:32:47] OK. That's a lot. OK.
[1:32:50] Anything else on?
[1:32:51] This Council to deliberate.
[1:32:53] David Pierce, did you? Were you raising your hand?
[1:32:58] I'm sorry.
[1:32:59] I don't know. I was looking down at here. Yeah, Go ahead, David. Here's Cascade I.
[1:33:03] I think Parker.
[1:33:06] Your comments are spot on.
[1:33:08] Because you all meet every week.
[1:33:10] It's not like there's a huge time difference between a request.
[1:33:15] And an action.
[1:33:16] OK. Sure. Thank you. Thank you, Sir.
[1:33:19] So OK.
[1:33:21] I mean the City Council.
[1:33:25] Isn't like is is not implementing the provisions?
[1:33:30] Like that's an administrative function.
[1:33:34] Is Jesse still listening?
[1:33:36] Yes.
[1:33:39] Oh, goodness. OK.
[1:33:41] We can.
[1:33:45] Say that the City Council is directing.
[1:33:47] This resolution.
[1:33:50] For the mayor or administrative function of the city.
[1:33:54] To implement the provisions of this resolution.
[1:33:57] Remove the comic to comic non substantiative administrative adjustments as necessary.
[1:34:05] I mean, I don't, I don't see why that's.
[1:34:07] Yeah, not something we can just.
[1:34:10] Say.
[1:34:11] This is making.
[1:34:12] Logical sense to me as I just read.
[1:34:14] Through that.
[1:34:15] So we're authorizing.
[1:34:17] The mayor or his designee?
[1:34:20] To implement the provisions of the resolution.
[1:34:24] And to ensure the updated consolidated fee schedule is properly maintained and made available to the public.
[1:34:31] All we're doing is removing the.
[1:34:34] Non substantiative administrative adjustments.
[1:34:37] That's all I was advocating, OK.
[1:34:39] Yeah, good.
[1:34:42] Yeah, with that then I do have.
[1:34:47] Any thoughts on the actual fees themselves?
[1:34:50] Any final thoughts?
[1:34:55] I've been very involved in.
[1:34:58] Looking at the budgets, going through the audits, those kind of things.
[1:35:03] I recognize.
[1:35:06] Your concern as a legitimate concern when you talk about let's make sure that we have the dollar for dollar to cover that.
[1:35:14] I believe that we are on track.
[1:35:17] To roughly cut 2 for one.
[1:35:20] When it comes to this expense.
[1:35:22] So I feel very comfortable. However, I know Evans not here.
[1:35:26] And.
[1:35:28] You know, we haven't published those specifics yet.
[1:35:30] I am meeting with Evan on Friday morning and some of the department heads to go through their.
[1:35:36] Budgets and requests and try to make sure that we have alignment. We're on track for these things too.
[1:35:41] To my understanding thus far.
[1:35:43] We've cut.
[1:35:45] I don't want to say cuts cuts, but I mean.
[1:35:47] Identified where we have roughly $1,000,000 worth of savings, which is like 8% of our annual budget to begin with, so.
[1:35:55] We're moving into a position where I feel.
[1:35:59] Comfortable doing this and we're empowering some of the.
[1:36:03] Departments, for example Parks and Rec in the library are really good.
[1:36:06] Examples here.
[1:36:07] To fundraise.
[1:36:09] And recover some of their own expenses and operating costs through.
[1:36:14] Cost collection measures right so.
[1:36:16] I think that we're going to be in a position where this is not.
[1:36:22] Concerning, yes, it is going to be tight because the budget overall is tight and the forecast for the next three years is really
[1:36:25] tight.
[1:36:29] So that's not to say that this is.
[1:36:32] To devalue or diminish your position, it's just to say.
[1:36:37] I think that there is a.
[1:36:38] Position we can be in where at least this year.
[1:36:40] We're going to be good.
[1:36:43] And I think in recognizing working with public works, looking at.
[1:36:47] What roads are the highest priority?
[1:36:50] Yeah, we're maybe not.
[1:36:51] Doing the maintenance right at the recommended time, but we're doing it before we have to do the full Rd. replacement type stuff
[1:36:55] too, so it's.
[1:36:59] It's a little bit of a staggered game.
[1:37:01] To my understanding.
[1:37:02] But I have.
[1:37:03] Confidence in where we're kind of positioning ourselves to be able to achieve that.
[1:37:09] So there's also some context. So we explored several options for the Tuffy, and one of the options was to do like.
[1:37:17] If we did an across the board 475 for businesses and homes.
[1:37:22] You know we, we.
[1:37:23] Evan mapped out and he sent an e-mail to council.
[1:37:27] And from January to June, that would amount to 89.
[1:37:30] A little over 80.
[1:37:32] 89 Six.
[1:37:34] So almost $90,000 and if.
[1:37:37] You put it into perspective.
[1:37:41] What the tough fee raised was about.
[1:37:43] Almost $1,000,000.
[1:37:46] And that's still.
[1:37:48] We were still needing to put another million for our general fund.
[1:37:52] And so even if we reduced it.
[1:37:54] The tough fee is so small.
[1:37:57] Like it doesn't make a substantial.
[1:38:00] Impact.
[1:38:01] In terms of like actual I mean.
[1:38:03] It doesn't really. I mean, yes.
[1:38:05] $90,000 is a lot of money.
[1:38:07] But in terms of?
[1:38:09] The $2,000,000 needed for the road.
[1:38:12] The road transportation Fund it's not.
[1:38:16] It's not going to make a meaningful impact.
[1:38:22] Any other questions?
[1:38:23] For a call for a vote.
[1:38:29] Christmas I.
[1:38:30] I will give you a motion.
[1:38:33] Yes, go ahead, David.
[1:38:35] I move that we accept. We adopt resolution 2026.
[1:38:42] Dash 21.
[1:38:44] Consolidated fee schedule.
[1:38:45] To uh.
[1:38:47] Has written with the with the exception of Section 5.
[1:38:51] Will read The City Council directs the mayor or his designee to implement the provisions of this resolution and to ensure.
[1:38:58] To ensure the updates.
[1:39:01] The update should ensure the updated consolidated fee schedule is properly maintained.
[1:39:06] And made available to the public.
[1:39:09] Thank you, do I have a second?
[1:39:11] 2nd.
[1:39:12] All right, we'll do this by roll call.
[1:39:14] Oh sorry, the year 2.
[1:39:17] Just making sure we update the year, the year as well. Did you get the?
[1:39:21] Yeah, OK, I have it down. But Tony.
[1:39:24] That's do you have a damn?
[1:39:26] I have changed the year to 20262026. Tony's like I'll listen to the recording later. OK, let's do this by roll call. Parker. Hi.
[1:39:33] Jacob I.
[1:39:34] Jake, I, David, hi.
[1:39:36] And Ezra?
[1:39:38] Aye, OK.
[1:39:40] Resolution passes.
[1:39:42] Already we're going to talk about 8.2 and 8.4 at the same time, if that's all right, that they're kind of one in the same. So 8.2
[1:39:47] is adopt resolution.
[1:39:51] In support of parking and.
[1:39:53] Enforcement.
[1:39:56] Any discussion on that item? I know that Holden Holden had just a couple of.
[1:40:02] Yeah, let me just.
[1:40:03] And perhaps Parker already the context on that. So this is what we talked about last.
[1:40:10] I worked a lot with Councilman Nair, so I want to say thank you for.
[1:40:14] You know, being willing to take my.
[1:40:16] 20,000 phone calls and text messages over the course of the last week.
[1:40:22] We presented the.
[1:40:24] Concept for this on Thursday.
[1:40:26] To our special session.
[1:40:29] And largely what this is, is recognizing that.
[1:40:35] Bridgeport, Lechemont.
[1:40:38] They have legitimate safety concerns.
[1:40:40] When it comes to.
[1:40:42] The over.
[1:40:43] Crowding on the streets and the vehicles that are parked.
[1:40:46] Right up against stop signs.
[1:40:48] In front of fire hydrants and on red curbs.
[1:40:52] So while there's been a lot of debate and discussion about how to do parking enforcement in those neighborhoods and some of the
[1:40:55] other neighborhoods as well.
[1:41:01] We thought one of the ways that we could immediately alleviate some of their concerns was to.
[1:41:06] Enforced on the low hanging fruit when it came to if you're parts.
[1:41:10] And I, I drove through that neighborhood. I told everybody, I took pictures on my phone and stuff. You're parked.
[1:41:15] Literally front tire on the stop sign line.
[1:41:19] Everyone knows that's illegal.
[1:41:21] Right. And I mean, if you go get a driver's license, you.
[1:41:24] Have to learn, you know, I can't park 30 feet in front of a stop sign and I can't park in front of the fire hydrant. And I
[1:41:27] shouldn't be parking on a red curb.
[1:41:31] So.
[1:41:32] The theory was if we implement.
[1:41:34] This resolution which essentially is directing the.
[1:41:37] Sheriff's Department to just do a safety type patrol through that neighborhood in that area every day.
[1:41:43] They can identify the immediate safety hazards.
[1:41:47] And give them a citation or a tow order immediately.
[1:41:50] To help make those streets a little bit safer.
[1:41:53] Right. Increased visibility when you're turning into a neighborhood or onto the road and your kids aren't going to get ran over
[1:41:58] when they're trying to cross the street because no one can see them between the cars.
[1:42:02] So.
[1:42:03] The theory behind this is.
[1:42:05] Let's enforce on the low hanging fruit.
[1:42:08] And let's.
[1:42:09] By the neighborhood's time to build consensus and develop actual.
[1:42:14] Policy or procedure that's going to represent the community at large.
[1:42:19] Thank you.
[1:42:21] Holden, do you want to jump in?
[1:42:22] I sure. Yep.
[1:42:24] I have a question and.
[1:42:25] Do we need to do a resolution to?
[1:42:27] For this, this is an administrative thing. We already the chief, he already has authority to do all of this. Yes, it could be an
[1:42:31] administrative thing, however.
[1:42:35] I've drafted a resolution and it's here before that we want so we can make our vote. We're going to vote. That's the beauty of it.
[1:42:41] Right now we have two different, you know, avenues of government. We have the mayor and the administrative and we have the
[1:42:47] legislative and either one can initiate things like this. To be honest with you, I think it's important that we tie Holdens hand
[1:42:53] of like we're speaking as a unit, which is why I made adjustments of like, hey, you didn't know, hold it.
[1:43:00] And we'll, we'll go over the adjustments.
[1:43:03] Chief Deputy Holden shared those with me.
[1:43:05] Earlier.
[1:43:06] And I know he had shared them with some of you guys.
[1:43:08] Essentially the adjustments to the resolution.
[1:43:11] That I had.
[1:43:12] Drafted and you know.
[1:43:13] Ezra was Co sponsoring is essentially acknowledging that there are.
[1:43:18] Operational realities with what?
[1:43:20] The sheriff can and can't do and if they get like a domestic violence call while they're out there.
[1:43:26] Giving a tow order, they're going to abandon the tow order and go respond to the domestic violence call. So it's acknowledging
[1:43:29] those realities.
[1:43:33] That I think he's going to present on right now, yeah.
[1:43:36] What I wanted to do is obviously we are committed to.
[1:43:39] Whatever the council would like us to do within within our legal bounds, right? And I've been part of parking discussions for.
[1:43:46] Nine years.
[1:43:48] And and very empathetic to the neighborhoods and the parking problems and especially these neighborhoods. We definitely recognize
[1:43:52] the need.
[1:43:56] For some, some change in these neighborhoods. So I did want to just take just one second to talk about some of the stuff we've
[1:44:00] taken this. These are just this month, just since the beginning of March.
[1:44:06] This is a map of our city. Obviously, these dots represent citations for parking violations that we've issued just this month.
[1:44:14] Now, some of those may be warnings, but they're written.
[1:44:16] Warnings or citations left on a vehicle people are aware that they have been parking in illegally.
[1:44:22] This is a comparison to.
[1:44:24] Every other type of citation we've written for the month.
[1:44:28] And then this dot is all of the calls we've had to or all of the case numbers, not calls. Calls will be way more than this. These
[1:44:32] are case numbers.
[1:44:36] That we've taken just this month within the city, there's the yellow dots. So purple is parking citations, green is every other
[1:44:40] type of citation.
[1:44:44] And then our yellow is our case numbers.
[1:44:46] So obviously we have a balance that we have to take between when we're talking about parking enforcement and the time we spend
[1:44:50] with that and then responding to other.
[1:44:53] Other things like speeding.
[1:44:56] Case numbers, domestic violence, all those types of calls, so.
[1:45:00] You'll forgive me.
[1:45:01] Help me to understand the case number, What the difference is between that and a call for service? It's a call for service so
[1:45:03] these no.
[1:45:06] A case number is we. Let's say I get a call for service. Somebody calls in that just has basic questions that does not generate a
[1:45:10] case number.
[1:45:14] Case numbers are generally something more serious that requires the deputy to write a report.
[1:45:19] So.
[1:45:21] Generally speaking.
[1:45:23] Case numbers.
[1:45:24] Call numbers are going to be way higher than what our case numbers are.
[1:45:27] Because we get a lot of calls of just.
[1:45:29] Civil problems. Things that don't require a case number.
[1:45:32] Or don't require a report.
[1:45:33] So some of the parks in front of someone's driveway and they can't get out, That's a.
[1:45:37] That's got the case number and.
[1:45:39] You out and do something.
[1:45:40] Yes, yes. Thank you.
[1:45:42] OK, all right, with that being said, let's look at.
[1:45:46] The resolution real quick.
[1:45:49] That's the one I had pulled up.
[1:45:51] So I just had a couple of small edits because of the towing company recently.
[1:45:56] Resigning or withdrawing themselves from from contracting with the city.
[1:46:01] I recommend we change this to authorized towing services so that whoever we hire or when I call for a tow.
[1:46:07] The next rotation toe, this covers us there. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify so everybody understands the Sheriff's Department when
[1:46:11] they call for a tow, it goes to essentially the.
[1:46:15] Collection of tow companies that are working through their dispatch and so it's just the next one in rotation so there's no.
[1:46:21] Like monopoly on tow through the sheriff's.
[1:46:24] Yeah.
[1:46:26] Just add this little section here and.
[1:46:28] To prioritize enforcement and proactive patrol efforts.
[1:46:33] And then in this one, we'll redline the discretion and put in in accordance with existing law and established enforcement
[1:46:36] procedures.
[1:46:40] Again the.
[1:46:41] Contractor told to change that to authorized towing provider.
[1:46:44] And then this is the one that Councilmember Mccumber was talking about.
[1:46:48] Shall be towed so that the desire from the Council is for us to tow on these.
[1:46:53] Violations here.
[1:46:55] We just put that caveat in there unless there's mitigating circumstances, reasonably warned, and alternative enforcement action.
[1:47:00] So if we got a call to something more serious, we could hurry and leave a sticker or a citation and get on our way to.
[1:47:06] To something that's higher priority for the audience. If you're having a hard time reading the screen, what those were was.
[1:47:11] Blocking fire hydrants parked on red curbs, parked in front of stop signs, blocking intersections, or otherwise creating an
[1:47:15] imminent safety hazard.
[1:47:19] And then the last one is just another.
[1:47:21] Take out the contract of towing and put in authorized towing.
[1:47:24] As needed So.
[1:47:26] Great.
[1:47:27] I think those shakers are.
[1:47:29] Common sense. So I.
[1:47:32] Holden, thank you.
[1:47:33] For that, any questions for holding on?
[1:47:35] Regarding this.
[1:47:37] Do you guys track?
[1:47:38] Like when you.
[1:47:39] Either toe or leave a citation for a vehicle. Is that in your system? So if you like.
[1:47:44] Say I'm writing another citation. Does it automatically say?
[1:47:47] This had.
[1:47:49] X number of citations in the past week or so. Anytime one of our deputies runs a plate number, it'll come back with.
[1:47:55] Any involvement that we've had with that plate in the past.
[1:47:57] OK, very cool.
[1:47:59] Thank you. Any other questions for Holden?
[1:48:04] Not for Holden, I guess, or discussion.
[1:48:06] Go redhead.
[1:48:08] Could we, since it's easy to see when?
[1:48:11] People are doing multiple violations. Could we add that?
[1:48:13] The first offense is a.
[1:48:15] Citation and then.
[1:48:17] Anytime after that, it's a.
[1:48:20] Do we want to allow for a warning?
[1:48:23] Basically someone there. So we went. We say the first.
[1:48:26] Versus a.
[1:48:27] Citation.
[1:48:28] Takes away the chance to the warning the first time.
[1:48:30] If you, if I can just say.
[1:48:33] Established enforcement procedures. That's basically already there.
[1:48:36] That's what we've been doing as our established procedures is.
[1:48:39] Typically will go out.
[1:48:40] And for example, I went out last night to drive it and see it, and here was a car right in front of a fire hydrant, red curb and a
[1:48:45] foot and a half off the curb. I was like, Oh my heck. So I ran the plate number and knocked on doors. Finally got ahold of
[1:48:50] somebody and said move your car.
[1:48:55] So that was and we do that typically that's our typical enforcement procedures or a warning.
[1:49:01] You know, we'll try and not, I knocked on.
[1:49:04] Doors for three different cars.
[1:49:06] Good talk to people and said hey.
[1:49:08] Starting Tuesday, it's going to get a little bit tougher around here so so please start moving your cars so.
[1:49:14] Anyway, well, and I'm.
[1:49:16] I think it's just to share where where I'm at here.
[1:49:20] You know we've.
[1:49:21] Discussed.
[1:49:23] Ticketing.
[1:49:23] And ramping enforcement.
[1:49:27] I understand all of us are having different conversations with different people. I felt like I got shouted down every time I
[1:49:31] brought that up for the last three meetings.
[1:49:35] And I my perception was that people wanted more immediate enforcement and I don't feel like we're trying to.
[1:49:42] Go and create, you know, a hostile situation for anybody, if we were to say.
[1:49:48] I think that these.
[1:49:49] And I'm not not mad about the you, not if you're willing to go and knock the doors. I mean, at the end of the day, that car is
[1:49:52] moving.
[1:49:56] That's the result that we want, and so I'm perfectly content with that.
[1:50:00] It's just like.
[1:50:02] Immediate.
[1:50:02] Safety violations, I think, should be enforced the process.
[1:50:06] Say again, you made less of an enemy in the process. Agreed.
[1:50:09] Agreed.
[1:50:10] So I mean I guess my.
[1:50:12] Concern, and I would love to get the public feedback if the mayor's willing to let the public come up and comment too, is.
[1:50:19] Look if somebody's parked right in front of the stop sign.
[1:50:22] Or right in front of the fire hydrant.
[1:50:25] And we can't knock on the door and get them to move.
[1:50:27] Is it better that we just move them?
[1:50:30] For the public safety.
[1:50:31] Yeah. Yeah, it is so.
[1:50:34] I have a unique perspective on this because I so.
[1:50:36] In high density, if you were to park on a red curb in front of stop sign, you're towed instantly. So I absolutely believe that
[1:50:40] should apply to public growth as well. I mean.
[1:50:45] It's creating a safety violation. It's breaking the law.
[1:50:48] So I think.
[1:50:49] Towing.
[1:50:51] Doing that first.
[1:50:52] I have no problem with that.
[1:50:54] Yeah, anyway we can allow.
[1:50:57] The chief deputy to have a policy have a policy that.
[1:51:01] Handles it the way they think best. I mean if they can get.
[1:51:04] Car to move right now.
[1:51:05] Great. If they can't then call it in it.
[1:51:07] Yeah. And I'm like I said, I agree with that. I'm totally happy to to.
[1:51:12] Facilitate that we can amend the resolution for something like that.
[1:51:15] I am of the.
[1:51:19] Perception, uh.
[1:51:20] That.
[1:51:21] These neighborhoods want safer streets immediately, so if that can't be achieved.
[1:51:27] Does ticketing actually resolve their concern?
[1:51:30] I can tell you.
[1:51:32] Like the reason I brought up the dots on the map is because we have been issuing tickets and if you've drive in from.
[1:51:39] Everything the deputies are telling me at night that parking is getting better. We're making a difference in those neighborhoods.
[1:51:43] So we're getting some, we're getting some movement in the direction that the neighborhood tickets. By chance, do you track that?
[1:51:47] Do you know the people are paying for the tickets by chance?
[1:51:53] If you have that, I don't have those numbers on these, they go to the justice. The county justice court goes that way. Most people
[1:51:56] pay the tickets we give them.
[1:51:59] Yeah, easy park. I don't know. I would, yes. It's better than 30% also anyway.
[1:52:09] I.
[1:52:11] Change this so we would have some leeway.
[1:52:14] In in those circumstances, So I'm comfortable with unless mitigating circumstances, mitigating circumstances could be we knocked
[1:52:17] on the door that came out and moved their car.
[1:52:21] Yeah, yeah, sure. I like that. You know, I think that's that's reasonable if you want to.
[1:52:25] To bolster it even further to officer discretion, we could put, you know.
[1:52:30] Within officer discretion, I never like to take discretion away from my guys and then I don't feel like this is taking that away.
[1:52:38] There's, I think there's very few laws on the books. There's very few laws on the books that tell us we shall do something. We
[1:52:44] absolutely have to do it. Most of that, mostly it's domestic violence calls, which is obviously we all want that.
[1:52:51] Other than that.
[1:52:52] Our deputies and officers have discretion.
[1:52:55] Because circumstances are different for everything we come across. Sure.
[1:53:00] Any other comments, counsel? Parker asked.
[1:53:02] Is there anyone in the audience?
[1:53:04] Like to speak to this.
[1:53:06] Give us guidance in your all knowing wisdom, David.
[1:53:10] Daria. Come on. Well, Darius.
[1:53:13] Some speak for all the residents of Vineyard.
[1:53:17] I just have a couple little things, Daria Evans, Villas resident.
[1:53:23] It's just spelling.
[1:53:28] The first paragraph.
[1:53:30] It says gardens it should read.
[1:53:32] Garden Thank you Diane. Would appreciate also section also Section 1 it.
[1:53:38] It says gardens it should read the garden.
[1:53:42] And in operation Neighborhood Shield.
[1:53:45] The paragraph beginning.
[1:53:47] With staff.
[1:53:48] Will review Vineyard City code with the City attorney and Chief Deputy Rockwell.
[1:53:53] Your last name is Rockwell.
[1:53:55] It should not be.
[1:53:57] Chief Deputy Holden.
[1:53:59] To give him the property, to say his chief deputy, so whoever.
[1:54:02] Replaces it later on, but at this moment it's.
[1:54:05] It's Chief Deputy Rockwell. You can't leave Holden now. Yeah, well, and then.
[1:54:12] Phase Three.
[1:54:13] The last sentence.
[1:54:14] This phase allows for property owners an opportunity to correct violations voluntarily and for assess students.
[1:54:22] But I think we should change it to occupants, because we might not.
[1:54:26] Be students and that would limit.
[1:54:28] The scope if you just said students.
[1:54:31] So those are my suggestions.
[1:54:33] And also I like the idea of a full time.
[1:54:36] Code enforcement and then adding part-time enforcement as the city grows. Thank you very much.
[1:54:41] Can we accept those changes? Yeah, I think those are points well taken.
[1:54:45] Robbie grabbed those.
[1:54:47] If we did, OK, we don't have to word that out.
[1:54:52] OK, sounds good. And then let me ask just Ezra real quick.
[1:54:56] With.
[1:54:57] Chief Deputy Rockwells.
[1:54:59] Amendments.
[1:55:01] Does that alleviate your concern? OK.
[1:55:04] OK, my.
[1:55:06] My only comment is.
[1:55:08] I know we're ramping up from nothing.
[1:55:10] And I know that you don't want to go.
[1:55:11] Bam, like just shock everyone in tow.
[1:55:14] But I will say like.
[1:55:17] Get there within the next couple weeks of like I think it needs to be come a standard of towing.
[1:55:22] Like an expectation of like, hey, we've.
[1:55:26] We've given tickets we've.
[1:55:28] You know, given warnings like this is going to be a standard moving forward of.
[1:55:33] You know, stop signs and everything.
[1:55:35] It it it just should be known because we had hundreds of people that were here and when he.
[1:55:40] Suggested it they were. They're now expecting it because they are so excited.
[1:55:46] In fact, that in my all of my engagements, they're like.
[1:55:48] Towing is coming and and so let's give it to him.
[1:55:52] Yeah. Thank you.
[1:55:54] OK, I'm gonna call from.
[1:55:56] You're we only gonna vote on 8.2 and not 8.5 because I had some comments 8.2 just we're gonna put 8.2 Okay yeah 8.2 so I'm gonna
[1:56:02] call for vote on 8.2. Do I have a motion?
[1:56:09] I motion to accept.
[1:56:12] Resolution 2026-19 in support of parking enforcement.
[1:56:16] As.
[1:56:17] Amended.
[1:56:18] Thank you. Awesome.
[1:56:20] We will do this by roll call.
[1:56:23] Hi, David Luray.
[1:56:25] Hi, Jacob Wood, I'm Jake.
[1:56:28] Aye, Parker, aye.
[1:56:30] Awesome. Resolution passes. That's Councilman Mccumber. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever.
[1:56:35] We keep it informal around here.
[1:56:38] Not Parker until. Can I start with the neighborhood Commission? 10 more minutes. Yeah, let's do this. I need to. We are needing
[1:56:42] to.
[1:56:46] OK, let's do 8.3 real quick because this.
[1:56:50] Have a little bit of.
[1:56:52] DK will use.
[1:56:54] David, we.
[1:56:55] Kyle, would you explain 8.3?
[1:56:57] To the Council.
[1:57:00] And to the public real quick, where what the intent is here?
[1:57:02] So this is the intent is to encourage volunteerism throughout the city.
[1:57:07] And to make.
[1:57:09] Or to help.
[1:57:11] Vineyard events be more community driven.
[1:57:14] Versus city driven?
[1:57:16] This creates a.
[1:57:18] A Commission that will oversee and and base and base.
[1:57:24] Recruit other volunteers and oversee other volunteers to be able to.
[1:57:29] Work on Vineyard days.
[1:57:31] The tree lighting Christmas.
[1:57:33] All, all of the fun events and activities that we do throughout the city.
[1:57:38] Walk us through.
[1:57:40] We feel a nonprofit is.
[1:57:42] Needed here for.
[1:57:43] Tax purposes for the cell, donations and so forth, so.
[1:57:47] This is as.
[1:57:49] I've worked with other cities.
[1:57:51] Who have?
[1:57:53] Who have similar structures?
[1:57:56] Provo has an event nonprofit. They actually branched off from the city and and that's the Freedom Festival. They're now completely
[1:58:00] independent.
[1:58:04] Orem has.
[1:58:06] And the Orem Community Foundation, and not only does that Community Foundation help with.
[1:58:14] Their Orem fest, but it also.
[1:58:17] Is currently raising money for their.
[1:58:20] Monument to.
[1:58:23] The fallen soldiers.
[1:58:24] So Gold Star.
[1:58:26] Yeah, yeah, the Gold Star Memorial. And so this the the nonprofit.
[1:58:32] This mission will be to support financially raise money for city events.
[1:58:38] And city initiatives and what's great about it is that.
[1:58:42] Donors can receive certificate for write off.
[1:58:48] On their taxes.
[1:58:49] OK, would the intent be?
[1:58:51] Sorry, no, go ahead please. Would the intent be that?
[1:58:53] One day, the mayor wouldn't chair it, but it would.
[1:58:55] It would separate off.
[1:58:57] Is this? I don't think that's the ultimate intent. Some.
[1:59:01] Do some don't or has never?
[1:59:04] But this doesn't spell out. Provo did just because.
[1:59:07] The Freedom Festival had be.
[1:59:09] Kind of came of a life of its own right, and so they just split away.
[1:59:13] Yeah, OK.
[1:59:15] Great.
[1:59:16] Any questions on 8.3?
[1:59:19] Well, is there any conflict with?
[1:59:21] A city sponsored.
[1:59:24] Commission.
[1:59:25] Also.
[1:59:27] Running.
[1:59:27] A non profit.
[1:59:29] No cities run non pro profits.
[1:59:32] Quite often.
[1:59:33] To help.
[1:59:34] With the tax status.
[1:59:36] The city itself is a nonprofit, right? So they don't. No, it's a government entity, so there's no.
[1:59:41] Paying your taxes or paying money to a city is different for tax purposes, so cities do set up nonprofits quite often.
[1:59:47] Just a separate bank account of like who you're giving the money to.
[1:59:50] And it has a different organizational correct, it is similar.
[1:59:54] To that and there are tax benefits to it.
[1:59:56] Correct.
[1:59:58] Yeah. Any other questions?
[2:00:00] Ezra, you had a question last.
[2:00:03] Tuesday.
[2:00:04] It was the reason we continued it to this week instead of voting on it last week. I can't remember what it is and I'm trying to
[2:00:07] dig through my notes but.
[2:00:12] Yes, so the the nonprofit versus the Commission, so we're.
[2:00:19] There's two different.
[2:00:20] Parts of this resolution 1 is.
[2:00:23] Kind of a.
[2:00:24] Commission similar to our arch Commission or our.
[2:00:30] What other commissions do we have? We've got Bissell Advisory Commission.
[2:00:33] Some of those other commissions that.
[2:00:35] Run by the city. Operated by the city.
[2:00:38] Then you have.
[2:00:40] This direction to create a nonprofit.
[2:00:43] That's going to be a separate entity from the city.
[2:00:46] That.
[2:00:48] Is run.
[2:00:50] By whom?
[2:00:52] So the Commission will actually oversee the running of the nonprofit.
[2:00:58] The actual.
[2:00:59] Legal, uh.
[2:01:01] And how it works legally, that's a.
[2:01:03] That's a really a Jesse question I ran.
[2:01:05] I ran it past.
[2:01:07] The resolution passed Jesse and and and asked to.
[2:01:11] A few questions related.
[2:01:13] But really, it's to basically keep the nonprofit attached to the city and keep some oversight.
[2:01:18] Because it is the official nonprofit of the city.
[2:01:21] But also.
[2:01:25] This model is basically I.
[2:01:28] Modeled it after what Orem is already doing.
[2:01:31] So it.
[2:01:32] I felt pretty safe.
[2:01:34] In the direction we were going.
[2:01:36] So.
[2:01:37] The So the mayor would still be the.
[2:01:40] Head of the entity for now.
[2:01:42] For now, yeah, I mean that.
[2:01:44] Was the idea.
[2:01:45] OK, so.
[2:01:47] So the mayor is the head.
[2:01:49] The Commission is the.
[2:01:52] Board. The seven member commissions. The Board.
[2:01:56] And the council? The mayor?
[2:01:59] The mayor appoints a chair. So from, well, the resolution, as it read last week, was that the mayor.
[2:02:04] Brings recommendations and they're appointed by the council.
[2:02:07] So we would vote on all of the appointees to be on the Advisory Board.
[2:02:11] Yeah, here it says. The mayor's gonna.
[2:02:13] Designated Chair of the Commission.
[2:02:15] So the mayor is not.
[2:02:17] On the.
[2:02:19] Foundation.
[2:02:20] As a we would not be able to, yeah, correct the mayor.
[2:02:23] The Commission points the Commission, and that Commission is the Board of the Foundation because.
[2:02:29] Comprises the the board of the Foundation.
[2:02:31] OK. Do we have a charter for the foundation already?
[2:02:36] No, that's to be drawn up.
[2:02:38] And it'll have to be submitted to the IRS for approval.
[2:02:41] Yeah.
[2:02:43] So what is this action?
[2:02:45] Here doing right now, is it basically saying go ahead and explore this idea?
[2:02:49] And then you'll bring us a charter. Who? The president? The treasurer?
[2:02:53] All those things in and then we as a council can officially take action to create this nonprofit. My understanding it's
[2:02:59] authorizing the creation, which would necessitate that they write the charter, they submit it to the IRS, but then.
[2:03:05] All of the appointees would come to us for vote.
[2:03:09] Who is they writing the charter? If the that would be our committee.
[2:03:14] Your internal team.
[2:03:15] He said that the attorney.
[2:03:17] The attorney OK.
[2:03:19] Jesse, do you feel good with this?
[2:03:21] This is to facilitate the creation of a nonprofit. It's like to start to begin the Commission. Yes, what I would.
[2:03:26] You know his model after ASD or Orem City or?
[2:03:30] Provo or other entities so.
[2:03:32] Some of your.
[2:03:33] Questions are quite technical.
[2:03:36] Nonprofits can be set up in a.
[2:03:40] And loosely the way that you would want them to set up, but I would give you examples of how others were.
[2:03:44] Would be set up, but I'm comfortable.
[2:03:46] Going forward with the creation.
[2:03:48] And then as we move forward, we can do other resolutions as to how.
[2:03:52] Is going to be.
[2:03:53] LED what the leadership looks like.
[2:03:56] And how people are appointed.
[2:03:58] So this is just a started.
[2:04:02] Yeah, I'm great with the framework. I would just love to know.
[2:04:06] To kind of firm up.
[2:04:08] Making sure we have kind of all the documents in place of.
[2:04:11] What exactly the mission is? What can they collect money for? What can't they collect money for? Just have that all outlined
[2:04:14] before.
[2:04:18] Giving just like carte blanche.
[2:04:20] Go create a nonprofit for.
[2:04:22] Israel, if you heard the end of what Jesse was saying, because you started talking while he was still talking.
[2:04:28] But what he said was this essentially gives you.
[2:04:30] The permission to get started and then we would create.
[2:04:33] Codes or additional resolutions to.
[2:04:35] Address all of those things.
[2:04:37] It doesn't say it creates us to facilitate the creation of, so it's a place to start. It's just the start.
[2:04:42] Yeah, and that is what I understood, Mr. Riddle to just clarify.
[2:04:48] We just need to.
[2:04:50] Davis, Jesse was talking about.
[2:04:53] David Pierce.
[2:04:56] Mr. Mayor, kind of have to agree with Ezra on.
[2:05:00] On the issue of definitions, because the definitions.
[2:05:08] Affect the Commission itself.
[2:05:11] Not the nonprofit.
[2:05:12] Profit The nonprofit should have the definitions of what it supports and what it.
[2:05:17] What it doesn't support?
[2:05:20] But I think in Section 2.
[2:05:22] The purpose?
[2:05:24] More sharply defined instead of just giving a couple.
[2:05:27] Of examples for instance.
[2:05:30] As a community event is a discrete event.
[2:05:34] What time restrictions from here to here it's.
[2:05:38] No longer.
[2:05:39] Then you know, then a week or.
[2:05:43] Or whatever.
[2:05:45] The condition set, but that I think that should be more closely defined.
[2:05:52] Maybe if I could offer a suggestion so in Section 5.
[2:05:55] Rather than saying the Commission is hereby authorized with oversight from the Marin City Council.
[2:06:00] To facilitate the creation.
[2:06:02] That.
[2:06:05] We change that so that the City Council and the mayor are.
[2:06:10] Facility facilitating the creation or creating it with the support of the Commission or something like that.
[2:06:16] I actually like.
[2:06:19] I actually like that it's a Commission of people because it creates.
[2:06:25] That's a lot of just where I'm going to sit down and think about how to create a nonprofit. I think you can get.
[2:06:31] David Pearce and.
[2:06:32] Just I would just recommend to the mayor, just get a wide swath of people that just say.
[2:06:38] Who want to be involved in this, but that we come back and approve.
[2:06:41] Like we're the approving entity before anything happens, if that makes sense.
[2:06:45] Just Jesse had a comment. I'm gonna turn the mic over to Jesse. Go ahead, Mr. Riddle.
[2:06:50] Again, I think.
[2:06:52] We're at the inception of a process.
[2:06:55] And the way I would.
[2:06:57] Start the process is go and review.
[2:06:59] What other entities have done I would talk to.
[2:07:03] For example, Orem city attorney and.
[2:07:05] Maybe ASD's attorney. I know of both and.
[2:07:08] Ask them how they run it, how they operate it, who's on their board.
[2:07:12] And things of that.
[2:07:14] I haven't paid much.
[2:07:15] Attention to the Commission part of this.
[2:07:17] I've just been.
[2:07:18] Mostly focusing on the nonprofit. I hope that's helpful.
[2:07:22] That's super helpful. I I would.
[2:07:24] Support uh.
[2:07:25] Kind of doing a little bit more research on that.
[2:07:28] And trying to gather some of those structures. I just want to make sure.
[2:07:31] Like this is going to be something that.
[2:07:34] Outlast all of us here.
[2:07:37] If done properly and so I just want to make sure we're.
[2:07:41] Being deliberate about what we're doing here.
[2:07:43] And I'd like to also adjust the wording of Section 5 to say, you know.
[2:07:46] The mayor and the City Council directs.
[2:07:49] The Commission.
[2:07:51] To facilitate creation and so forth. So we retain.
[2:07:54] You know the control in the Council.
[2:07:57] He said so the council directs.
[2:08:00] The Commission to.
[2:08:02] As opposed to.
[2:08:03] We were authorizing to go off and do it. So it becomes they become authorized. We don't limit the authorization.
[2:08:08] Well, it does specify with oversight from the mayor and council. It does say oversight. Yes, it says.
[2:08:13] The Commission is hereby authorized, with oversight from the mayor and council, to facilitate the creation of a nonprofit
[2:08:16] organization.
[2:08:20] To be known as the Vineyard Community Foundation, is that the same thing as directing them?
[2:08:24] And then retain that.
[2:08:25] Authority as a question for Mr. Riddle.
[2:08:32] Authorizing direct director.
[2:08:34] A little bit different.
[2:08:36] When you give me the authority, the other one, you tell me exactly what to do.
[2:08:41] And maybe where to go?
[2:08:43] I guess my question on it then is we're authorizing a Commission.
[2:08:47] To create a nonprofit, but we don't have a Commission.
[2:08:51] But we're creating the Commission with this, right?
[2:08:55] Yeah, yeah, yeah. More or less. I mean, it's why don't you change it?
[2:08:59] To authorize the mayor to do it.
[2:09:01] Because I.
[2:09:02] Report to the mayor.
[2:09:04] So just authorize the mayor to create a nonprofit.
[2:09:08] And then he can authorize me to.
[2:09:11] Do that task.
[2:09:13] So we'd be just separating out the creation of the nonprofit from the Commission.
[2:09:18] Correct.
[2:09:19] I would.
[2:09:21] Yes, yeah.
[2:09:22] I'd be good with that.
[2:09:23] OK. Yeah, me too. Yeah.
[2:09:25] Awesome.
[2:09:27] I can support that.
[2:09:28] OK. We're transferring alignment.
[2:09:32] One of my comment.
[2:09:34] I do have.
[2:09:37] Just a question.
[2:09:42] You're going to appoint.
[2:09:43] The mayor is going to appoint.
[2:09:46] The Chairman of the Commission.
[2:09:49] I don't have.
[2:09:50] Myself personally a problem with that.
[2:09:55] City code tends to have.
[2:09:57] Commission's councils and boards select their own leadership Chairman, Vice Chair.
[2:10:03] Secretary.
[2:10:05] Just curious stuff.
[2:10:08] Why that is?
[2:10:10] Selecting the chair and again why the mail have any issue with that?
[2:10:15] Why? It's in the past of the mayor selects the chair.
[2:10:19] Yeah.
[2:10:20] I might remember it was really controversial.
[2:10:22] Five or six years ago, I.
[2:10:25] Yeah, the mayor retained that power.
[2:10:27] I I see wisdom and.
[2:10:30] But that's how it's been.
[2:10:33] I don't think that's his.
[2:10:35] How it was always been and it's probably could be looked into.
[2:10:38] Yeah, but.
[2:10:39] I think something's always been done a certain way, doesn't mean it's too much change.
[2:10:44] What you're saying is your post Commission. Post commissions, they choose their own chairs.
[2:10:48] Of this yeah code.
[2:10:51] Yeah, and again, I.
[2:10:53] Personally I don't have an issue with that, but.
[2:10:56] And I, I like this the norm. So I'm just curious because you already have that the Commission's going to consist of the seven
[2:11:00] members. They're going to be.
[2:11:05] Appointed by the mayor with the advice and consent of the City Council, which means all of those people come to the council for a
[2:11:08] vote.
[2:11:12] Let those people.
[2:11:13] Will elect their own leadership. That's fine with me. If you guys are good with that, I like that.
[2:11:17] Sorry. It's a point well taken. I think, David, appreciate it. So it makes it improves it though? Yeah, it does, yeah.
[2:11:23] Give them ownership and.
[2:11:24] And maybe.
[2:11:25] To help solve some of the leadership issues.
[2:11:28] Have a member of the City Council.
[2:11:31] As one of the but.
[2:11:32] Members.
[2:11:34] Of the Commission, something like that, Yeah, there's kind of.
[2:11:37] Yeah, make sure it's moving along and so forth.
[2:11:41] OK, OK.
[2:11:42] Are we in the point where I can call? I can support it, yeah.
[2:11:46] Real quick.
[2:11:46] So as part of starting the the nonprofit piece.
[2:11:50] As you, the mayor.
[2:11:52] Taking charge of creating it.
[2:11:54] Will you bring that charter back to the City Council for a vote, or will the Commission adopt the charter?
[2:12:00] What it what?
[2:12:01] That's council want me to do. I would love to have the council adopt the charter just so we can make sure.
[2:12:06] We're not opening a can of worms and having to spin off into spring it into who knows what, some Frankenstein who knows what.
[2:12:13] 20 years down the road.
[2:12:15] Yep, I can. I can support that.
[2:12:17] OK, happy to do that.
[2:12:20] OK, this is going to be a Franken resolution, and you know it's coming all right.
[2:12:25] All right, so we're going to How about this?
[2:12:27] Who? Who feels comfortable making a motion?
[2:12:36] I move to adopt resolution.
[2:12:38] 2026-20 to form a community events nonprofit.
[2:12:43] With the amendments.
[2:12:46] That the mayor.
[2:12:48] Will direct the creation of a nonprofit.
[2:12:50] The Commission.
[2:12:52] Will come back to the City Council for a vote.
[2:12:56] The members appointed by the mayor.
[2:12:59] Will serve under the advice and consent of the City Council with a vote.
[2:13:05] And an amendment that.
[2:13:08] The Commission will elect its own chairperson.
[2:13:12] And Vice Chair.
[2:13:13] And Vice Chair.
[2:13:15] Awesome, do I have a second?
[2:13:17] Second, all right, let's do roll call.
[2:13:20] Parker.
[2:13:20] Hi, Jake, Jacob, I.
[2:13:23] David, hi.
[2:13:25] And Ezra?
[2:13:26] Aye, OK.
[2:13:27] Resolution passes.
[2:13:29] As amended.
[2:13:31] OK, jumping down to 8.5.
[2:13:36] It is 805. We can go ahead and skip that. That's not it.
[2:13:40] Put on the agenda, but it's not a resolution.
[2:13:42] OK, so so.
[2:13:44] Perhaps what we should do is.
[2:13:45] Turn this into a work session. Should we do that? Turn this into work session item.
[2:13:51] Do you want to continue it? We need to vote on 8.4 though, right?
[2:13:54] 5 minutes past 88.4 is nothing to vote on.
[2:13:59] 8.5.
[2:14:01] 8.4.
[2:14:03] Sorry, it's not a resolution.
[2:14:05] It's just we're not going to vote on it.
[2:14:07] Do it. It's not it's it's I'm sorry.
[2:14:10] It was a work session document. Yeah, OK.
[2:14:13] So we don't need to talk about.
[2:14:15] OK. And we're done.
[2:14:18] 8.5.
[2:14:20] 8.4 is being moved to the work.
[2:14:23] No 8.4.
[2:14:25] Was accidentally left on here is what correct. Yes, that's it was that's something that we discussed at both of the previous two
[2:14:28] council meetings.
[2:14:32] Really. Three Do we need Thursday? Specialty voted on it.
[2:14:35] No, no, it's administrative action. Oh, I see.
[2:14:38] Because it was not a resolution item.
[2:14:41] 2 Mr. Pierce has a.
[2:14:43] Question or comment, Mayor David, please.
[2:14:47] Come on up, Sir.
[2:14:56] Excuse me?
[2:14:57] I lost my page here.
[2:15:04] You mentioned the name of an employee.
[2:15:06] On the code enforcement staffing.
[2:15:09] And I'm not sure.
[2:15:11] That's germane.
[2:15:14] To the.
[2:15:16] To the subject of.
[2:15:18] The document.
[2:15:19] And I'm.
[2:15:20] Personally not sure that's appropriate.
[2:15:23] To mention the name.
[2:15:24] Of a specific employee.
[2:15:28] Especially.
[2:15:29] From.
[2:15:30] The point of view.
[2:15:32] That it almost seems like it's.
[2:15:34] This employee's fault.
[2:15:37] That there is an issue.
[2:15:40] Well, I I would ask that.
[2:15:43] Do we know what page that paragraph one?
[2:15:45] Would be stricken.
[2:15:48] And the word.
[2:15:50] Her departure create.
[2:15:53] OK. Thank you. Good catch. That was not the intent, but thank you for catching that, bringing that to our attention. It's on page
[2:15:57] 46 in the packet.
[2:16:01] OK. Thank you, David.
[2:16:04] Be done. I have one comment.
[2:16:06] Yeah, let's do one comment.
[2:16:07] Here.
[2:16:08] I think we need.
[2:16:09] Before.
[2:16:10] Well, let's do What are we going to do with 8.5?
[2:16:13] So 8.4 was whatever, 8.5 what would you?
[2:16:17] What would you like to do? Is that ready 8.5?
[2:16:21] I have some issues with 8.5. My sense with 8.5 is it would be best to.
[2:16:26] Move that to work session.
[2:16:28] I know, right?
[2:16:29] But you guys decide my my comment on it is.
[2:16:33] What a wonderful thing that happened last week where neighborhoods got together. I don't know about your work group.
[2:16:39] But our neighborhood.
[2:16:41] You know.
[2:16:43] Office smelling like pot.
[2:16:46] They all came together.
[2:16:48] And we said, who should be your leader and who can unite and find consensus?
[2:16:54] And bring two parties together to find a resolution. And I think in our meeting the the conversation changed. It wasn't.
[2:17:03] I'm petitioning to get what I want.
[2:17:05] Fighting someone else that they want.
[2:17:07] And so I think on creating a neighborhood Commission.
[2:17:11] I think the wording could.
[2:17:12] Be improved and we could do a work session on it.
[2:17:15] Helping them solve their own problems, helping find unity. And I think we've gotten so much respect and that's probably why they
[2:17:21] slowed down and took so much time to find consensus. I don't know how you can word that, but like, I don't like the idea of coming
[2:17:26] in.
[2:17:31] Having like a political appointee from like either us or the mayor of like picking someone because it's so.
[2:17:37] Beautiful of what we saw where?
[2:17:41] Straight to jail.
[2:17:43] You know, who do you want? You know?
[2:17:44] So I think that's.
[2:17:46] I don't know how you put that into a document. I I think I.
[2:17:49] Mayor I move with that we.
[2:17:51] Continue item 8.5. Yeah, just wait till the next appropriate work session.
[2:17:55] Thank you.
[2:17:57] Zero second, I'll second that.
[2:18:00] Do we have a second by Council?
[2:18:03] Councilman Wood? You seconded.
[2:18:05] So would that just be April 7th just for clarity?
[2:18:08] Or what day is that? I am concerned that it doesn't necessarily need to be continued and it can be killed.
[2:18:14] It could be.
[2:18:16] Well, no. Some of these groups are going to come before us and they need to.
[2:18:19] Yes, elect their leaders and stuff in the next couple weeks, but that is not necessarily the same thing as creating the neighbor
[2:18:23] correct mission previously.
[2:18:28] Presented uh.
[2:18:29] And IA lot.
[2:18:30] All of the conversations that I've had with residents around the neighborhood Commission is.
[2:18:34] A concern about it just being an added layer of bureaucracy that's unnecessary. And the reality is that we talked about this
[2:18:37] previously.
[2:18:41] And these these people are still going to come to the City Council if they want to come to the City Council. So what purpose does
[2:18:44] it actually serve? And.
[2:18:47] We have a good idea of what we want it to accomplish.
[2:18:51] But I don't think there's community buy in to want to see that happen or to participate in it.
[2:18:56] Seems to me we need we need to fix it because right now we don't have honest representation there that whoever comes, comes right.
[2:19:03] And I think we need to go back to something like the traffic calming.
[2:19:07] Process that we already have in code.
[2:19:09] That allows residents to gather signatures.
[2:19:13] And to go for certain percentages.
[2:19:15] I would think that if we if we want to modify the the.
[2:19:18] Acceptable signature.
[2:19:20] Level from 75% exciting to down to something more like 60% or 50 even 51%.
[2:19:26] Then you know we can at least get.
[2:19:28] You know, make sure we have honest representation that does represent that group.
[2:19:33] As a whole.
[2:19:36] Not just a lot of this guy, yeah.
[2:19:37] I'm with Parker on this one, I think.
[2:19:40] There's certain.
[2:19:41] Situations where we need to.
[2:19:43] Look at potentially not just doing things by the majority especially in the cheminat were.
[2:19:47] We've already got 56% as of December 2024.
[2:19:51] Of the households that are rental units and so it.
[2:19:54] That's really what.
[2:19:55] In my in my mind spurred this discussion in the 1st place, recognizing that.
[2:19:59] Having these kind of blanket.
[2:20:01] You have to get this many signatures, you have to do this percentage of things. It makes it really difficult to.
[2:20:06] Be able to craft good policy in a unique way that's kind of tailored to the needs of the community? Sure.
[2:20:12] So we had a motion on the table.
[2:20:14] To continue it.
[2:20:16] Continuously, yeah. And seconded.
[2:20:19] OK. So you're asking to amend?
[2:20:22] To amend it to amendment.
[2:20:24] My thought was.
[2:20:26] Do we want to proceed with this at all?
[2:20:29] And if not, let's not continue it. Let's.
[2:20:31] As a counter motion probably help you.
[2:20:34] I was just going to counter to.
[2:20:35] Strike it, which was a strike it.
[2:20:38] So let's should we?
[2:20:39] In the in the future though, if that's a consensus to strike it and I'm OK.
[2:20:44] The same policy or approaches.
[2:20:47] Instead of coming here and screaming, you know, like it, the public comment period.
[2:20:51] If the problem does arise, we're going to.
[2:20:54] Build a consensus. Bring an entire neighborhood.
[2:20:58] And they're.
[2:20:59] There's got to be some sort. I don't know if a leader or appointed leader. That's what I don't like.
[2:21:03] I like finds.
[2:21:04] Organ, you know, volunteers to organize the voice. I don't know how you call that.
[2:21:10] And to bring dictates a residence how they.
[2:21:14] Approach their government like.
[2:21:15] They can come and scream at us, they can protest on the streets, they can do a lot.
[2:21:19] I think what we say is not going to matter in that. The other nuance is that.
[2:21:23] Really, this is a volunteer effort if somebody wants to do that, right? So like, we can't make somebody go hang Flyers.
[2:21:29] No, yeah. And it certainly helps in our decision making. I mean when now?
[2:21:34] All these communities that have.
[2:21:35] Set up their leaders. When their leaders come and say, hey, we've talked to the community.
[2:21:39] I'm definitely gonna weigh that in my decision to say.
[2:21:41] This is an added bonus of.
[2:21:44] And we all we already have a traffic calming process in our code.
[2:21:47] Which would accommodate that like it would give authority to them if they.
[2:21:51] They have a solution and they want to.
[2:21:52] Get everyone behind it and they get enough people behind it then that.
[2:21:55] It makes it easier helping our side.
[2:21:58] If it's going to work or not.
[2:21:59] It's OK and they'd still work through Jacob Wood on that issue like.
[2:22:03] As an the appointed person to kind of organize whoever, whoever council appoints.
[2:22:08] Awesome. So I'm gonna.
[2:22:10] I'm gonna call for a vote or call for a motion to strike.
[2:22:14] To strike, yeah.
[2:22:16] You have one.
[2:22:17] Second one to have it, is it second I second?
[2:22:20] OK. And.
[2:22:21] Let's do this by roll call Parker.
[2:22:23] Hi Jake, I want to hear can we have Jacob would vote first so I know.
[2:22:29] That's gonna no that's not allowed. Hey this is DKS thing not.
[2:22:33] I don't think we need a roll call to strike all in favor.
[2:22:38] Aye.
[2:22:40] We're going to strike it correct, Correct.
[2:22:45] Motion to strike passes.
[2:22:47] OK.
[2:22:50] That's all we got tonight, guys. Can I make my comment now? Right before we're twisted? Yep.
[2:22:55] I just want to say that I believe, I feel.
[2:22:58] I've had a lot of residents come out and talk about.
[2:23:01] How professional you've conducted the meetings?
[2:23:03] Mayor, I love how you allow throughout the entire meeting public comment.
[2:23:08] And.
[2:23:10] I respect you for that and I think.
[2:23:12] Citizens are growing.
[2:23:13] In that trust and more people are coming.
[2:23:16] And I.
[2:23:19] I think that we're growing up as a council, so I appreciate your I move to continue all the other comments to next week's meeting.
[2:23:22] You're here, you're here.
[2:23:28] You're here for Jake.
[2:23:29] Thank you for your appreciate. You're doing a good job. We will adjourn.
[2:23:33] Showing respect.
[2:23:36] It makes it harder, but it's a lot of respect. Next week is is spring break.
[2:23:42] Next week is spring break. What's everyone's plan? Y'all going to be trying to take a vacation?