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All righty, let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and get started.

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Good evening everybody. It is 6.

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April 14th I am Mayor Zach Stratton and I'd like to open up the Vineyard City Council meeting. I've asked Harry.

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To come and get our opening prayer and Pledge of Allegiance and.

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Grab a pin.

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So come on up, Perry.

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Come up to the microphone, play or a prayer, then we'll do the pledge.

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Our gracious Father in heaven.

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We come before you this evening and thank thee.

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For the many gifts.

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That we have in the freedoms that we still enjoy in this country.

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We ask that that would bless us this evening.

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That we may share our thoughts and ideas.

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In a manner that is pleasing to thee.

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We pray for resolutions and we pray for peace.

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He sings, We pray for Father, In the name of thy Son Jesus Christ, Amen.

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OK.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag.

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Of the United States of America.

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One nation under.

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Earl.

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All righty. Thank you so much.

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I'm going to share a quick.

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I think it's important.

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I think it's important for the public to.

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Understand a couple things.

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As the mayor, I chaired the City Council meetings.

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But there's an ordinance in our code.

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That says if two members of the City Council or more requests for an item be put on the City Council agenda will put it on. I

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think that's I think that's a really good check and balance.

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I think that's really important.

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My inspirational thought though.

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Is.

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And I think this applies to all of us is.

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If everything becomes an emergency, nothing's an emergency.

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And I would just.

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We need to be judicious with our time.

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And transparent.

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There's a bunch of business items here in 5.1 and I've spoken to council about this one-on-one. I've communicated with everybody

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today.

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I really think we need to work session these.

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But due to our city code.

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Where two members of council can ask for anything on.

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Which I again, I think that's important.

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It's a good check and balance.

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We kind of saw what.

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Has happened in the past.

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And I don't ever want that to happen in the future regarding.

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Items that needed to be discussed being paid.

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Put on there but my invitation.

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And my thought for the day is.

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As counsel.

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Legislates.

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I would recommend.

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That, uh.

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Just be judicious with that.

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And make sure that we are.

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We are following our the transparency that as laid out in my April 4th e-mail.

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Where resolutions need to get.

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We need to have. We just need to work session on before.

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It's not.

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Can understand that maybe there was an intent or an understanding at the time that.

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Some of these were time sensitive that.

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Upon further.

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Reviewing is not the case.

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And I don't necessarily have again.

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I'm gonna do my best as the mayor to stay out of your way.

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And let you guys legislate, but I just.

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I think that.

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It would just be prudent we had.

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Our staff is putting in.

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Crazy amount of hours.

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In preparation for this meeting and.

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As you know, we are really trying to shrink the size and making sure that we're being very.

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Judicious with our taxpayer dollars so.

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Thank you for all you guys do and.

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That'll be my thought.

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All right, we're going to move down to the work session.

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To discuss public safety and compromise on Florida South and Geneva Road and Main Street, I'm going to turn the time over to Jake

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Holdaway to lead out this discussion. Go ahead, Jake.

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All right. Can you guys hear me?

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Hello.

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Can you hear me?

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If you guys can.

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Sorry.

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So.

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This is a lot of.

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Gathering of information from hundreds of.

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Citizens that live across.

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400 S.

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We've had a few deaths in key areas.

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And we've had children that have been.

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Putting very dangerous situations and been hit and luckily I think we've had three.

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Life flighted and.

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Not die.

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Gratefully but.

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They were very, it was very dangerous so.

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As we start.

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We're going to be opening up 400 S from Geneva Road to Main Street.

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It's a very large section section that's usually more quiet.

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And there are key safety concerns. Over the past eight years, citizens have emailed in.

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Certain concerns.

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And they've fallen on deaf ears and so.

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The hope for tonight is before we have council and staff go and work and make those changes, is that the council can find some

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sort of agreement.

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Consensus to then.

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Act upon staff without a vote of just saying hey.

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We all agree on this because there's there's.

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Competing interests and different moving parts so.

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I'm going to start on Geneva Rd.

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Where the first problem occurs.

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On the Grant Old Grant Holdaway property.

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I'm going to have Google Maps open here so we can go through it together.

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Grant has sold his house and he's no longer there.

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But there is an exit.

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Onto from Geneva Road to 400 S that sits there and legally there is still an exit and an entrance and it hasn't been adjusted.

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Where that young individual?

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Died that evening because of the over parking.

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400 S She was parked right there by that exit.

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It still resides open today.

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If you can see and zoom in on that section.

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There's no way they could turn left or right.

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In that section, and so I'm asking Council on the first point and change.

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Is to by statute or resolution?

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Tell the.

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The Planning Commission to adjust that zone and work with the landowner to move the entrance to the Geneva roadside on the far

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South side.

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Similar to what?

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Grants or Vineyard Gardens does they only have an exit here and they only have an entrance here, so doing the same way keeping it

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there will make the road safer.

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The second thing in gathering information.

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Is moving and I don't know if you guys can see my screen.

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But.

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The ask would be on the next thing is.

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Alpine in meeting with Alpine School District 2 1/2 years ago.

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It was apparent that the intersection of Vineyard Rd. and.

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And hold away run 400 Sal.

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Is not aligned on the east.

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Parking lot.

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Because that is not aligned. If you zoom in here, you can see that the left hand turn lane. See how dangerous this is? The left

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hand turn lane is saying to park here.

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But it doesn't even go until here, so the cars wait right here in the middle of the intersection because of the off alignment.

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And that off.

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Makes it so there is no pedestrian.

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Crossing in either of these intersections. So in the resolution I would be asking Council.

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Because ASD has been.

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Open to the change on that is moving this parking lot 25 feet.

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To the east.

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There is no power lines and they've obliged. They've said we could do this and they could get funding to align with that.

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And that's a very.

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Dangerous part in the intersection.

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The next.

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On that in aligning that is.

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Oh, the next part.

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Problem with this.

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Is that there is an immediate exit here?

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On there and it's only.

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Like I think 42 feet.

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From the other.

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And ASD has been open to closing this.

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Double exit because they have a left hand turn and a right hand and a left hand and right. They're too close to each other.

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So the idea is that they would close this.

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And that they would move this dirt.

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So that there would be a roadway here.

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And that it would align with this intersection, so we would have a very clean intersection.

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Again, I know Timpanogos school district.

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Oh, do you guys want to go take a front row? See, I don't know if you want to.

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It's yeah.

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Someone want to go point it out I can.

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Yeah.

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So closing the road of that parking lot.

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Right there.

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Closing that and moving it all the way down through a skinny Rd.

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Makes the whole process safer.

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We don't need 2.

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It's only driving 30-40 more feet, it's aligning everybody and it aligns everyone in the same.

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Intersection.

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Hundreds of parents have emailed Alpine Vineyard or Orem because there's three different government entities that are involved.

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And this feedback has fallen on deaf ears, so we're just asking.

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Can the Council in resolution?

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We're saying please go meet with them and this is our directive to close this and negotiate that.

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The next point on the 400 S safe plan.

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Is talking about Vineyard Rd.

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In.

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The width of hold of Vineyard Rd.

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Is five lanes of traffic.

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It is one of the most wide roads.

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We have in the city.

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It has two lanes over here on the east side it has a middle.

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Medium.

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Section and it has two lanes on this side.

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And it sits vacant.

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But because we don't. Because of the.

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Painting on this, what it does is is that.

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All we have is parallel parking.

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So the request here is to have the left hand turn lane, but immediately after the left hand turn lane is no longer needed.

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To get rid of it.

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And also repaint it to move it 12 feet to the east.

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What that does is it allows for parallel parking.

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Safe parallel parking because not only will they be able to back up.

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With five lanes of traffic.

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They could have two and three lanes and it would only take a lane and a half to be able to back up, so they would be backing up

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into nothing if the road is that wide.

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And it would create an additional.

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Depending on how it's painted.

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30 to 50 additional stalls.

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And it would take.

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Because Vineyard Rd. is not.

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A busy Rd. as a thoroughfare of 400 S, it's a safer road to be able to to back up there.

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So that's point #3.

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Point #4 and I have a little.

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Wrote a video to talk about here. This is what.

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Vineyard.

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How Orms park?

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Is used. Let me go back.

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Or the experience of 400 uh.

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Sorry about that.

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See if I can get there.

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OK, this is kind of a little video every single Saturday.

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Orem City uses Orem Park to Max capacity.

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And this is the stake center. They fill up the stake center.

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On certain days.

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Because they have no parking whatsoever.

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For the capacity of what it is and so.

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It it makes it so 400 S is extremely dangerous.

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And it makes it so people cross at different at different sections, so.

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Why do we have a? You know, we love our neighbors.

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To the east, Orem city.

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However, Orem City does not comply with their own ordinance.

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To give you an example of Sleepy Ridge Golf Course when that was built.

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All businesses in Orem have to do this.

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They have to provide enough parking.

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For their events that they are scheduled and so when sleep Ridge Golf course was built.

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They told the owners no, you have to buy four additional house lots.

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To provide the adequate parking.

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Orem City does not comply with that with their own park.

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And we have.

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Vineyard City over many, many years.

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With many different councils have said please, please, please.

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And I and I believe as we open up 400 S.

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We have leverage.

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When the park was sold to Orem City.

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We at Vineyard City retained ownership of a very large portion.

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Of property night.

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10 acres almost.

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To be exact, that we still own.

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And they use it for small.

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Soccer games and.

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The capacity they can either do baseball.

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Or they can do soccer.

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With their parking capacity.

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But what they do is they schedule both.

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But they only have one parking lot in order to do it.

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And so.

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The resolution, if we have the solution of Council, would be to take the property that we own.

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Not all of it allowing for still some parking.

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Some small soccer games and big soccer games.

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And say you've got to get these cars off of the road.

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You have to. You have to fulfill.

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With your ordinance.

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Just like if you were a business, you would have to go through and comply that and since we have leverage there.

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I think we need to have a very serious conversation now. I know they're already aligning, so I'm not bringing up the discussion of

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the alignment of the.

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Of the light.

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But that needs but that.

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That's going to make it safer as well.

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The next component is.

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At the end of the park.

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The dedicated bike path.

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Just ends.

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I wish you guys could see this. It has the.

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Let me go through in here.

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It has just the monument to Vineyard.

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And because of the.

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The differences in councils.

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Plans were shifted and changed.

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And the.

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Properties on the north side of the road from Orem Park.

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To the Holdaway Rd.

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North-south.

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Only have a right of way of 66 feet.

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So we do not own, the city does not own that right of way.

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However.

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At my house.

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West.

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A different council came in and said we are going to require.

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A right of way. I believe it's.

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75 feet, so there's a 12 feet.

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There's a discrepancy.

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So.

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As we widen it out.

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We are asking.

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A landowner and full discrepancy my father.

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To say you need to go and we should have the standard of a 75 foot right of way.

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And the argument is.

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OK, we're going to force this through court.

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Or should we have a 65 foot right of way which everyone else has?

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On the West side.

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And so the Council, we are fighting two different.

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Councils of different age groups of what that right of way is.

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And so it.

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We need to give directive to staff, of which one aren't we And so?

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Now before I.

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Before I go after that.

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The current.

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And this is These pictures are incredible.

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Because we these were sent by citizens and I appreciate it.

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Oh.

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I don't know why.

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Can you see him now?

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Lame.

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Is it shut off?

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OK, share, share screen.

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Can you see it now?

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Are you able to see it now?

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Kind of on a delay.

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So this is the segment from.

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Holdaway Rd. to the park. Was there a red line over it? You guys see that?

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So.

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Let me go back. I think there's a massive delay, OK?

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So we do not own that segment.

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So if we are going to go with the more expensive, if we're going to be fair, and that's what I'm asking, the council is.

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Are we going to have a very wide Rd. on the West?

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Side of Holdaway Rd.

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That is the 75 feet or 7475.

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Or are we going to have the shorter one which is the 66?

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But the shorter one from Orem.

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Park to.

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Holdaway Rd. does not own that.

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12 extra feet for a bike lane so.

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The goal of having a continuous bike lane that is separated.

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From Geneva Rd.

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To the lake.

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Will have an entire city block where it's not where it doesn't have that right.

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And so there are many people that are this is a very expensive.

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Buy to buy that specific section.

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And it would be very.

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Expensive to get to that same standard, right?

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Also in this section, the way it's painted.

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It's painted so that people just park in it because they have a bike lane, it's red or whatever, and so every Saturday and every

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weeknight.

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Cars just park up and down in it and the mayor gives tickets over and over and over.

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Or not Mayor. The sheriff does. The sheriff's do.

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And.

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Cities, our kids rarely use it. Their golf carts are always they're they're fighting even though they have one of the largest

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roads in the city.

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Because it has no protected bike path, everybody.

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Fights over the.

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Sidewalk.

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And so it moves everyone into doing that and so.

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There isn't litigation yet, but.

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My father, he's here today and I'm.

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I mean, he's more than April willing to talk about it.

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Is.

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A city must act in a fair and consistent and legal defensible matter in an application of its policies if a city determines that

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an acquisition of property or right of way.

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Purpose is necessary along a given stretch.

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Such requirements should be applied.

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Uniformly to.

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To all similarly situated property owners. Selective enforcement where one property owner is required to dedicate or relinquish

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right of way property.

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Including through the use of eminent domain.

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While others an entire block.

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Along the same corridor are not subject to the same requirement raises concerns regarding equity, consistency and potential legal

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exposure.

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Because it's like you haven't asked this of everyone.

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And accordingly, the city should establish and follow a clear, uniform approach. And that's what I'm asking the council tonight,

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is to either apply the right of way.

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Acquisition requirements consistently along the entire Rd.

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And refrain from imposing such a requirement on individuals for just.

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For just one, right?

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So there are two solutions.

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There's a wider solution.

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That would be.

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And in meeting with everyone, there's not.

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On the road.

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Their affordable solution is to treat everyone equally under the law.

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And have an uninterrupted.

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Separated bike path from Geneva Road to the lake.

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This saves taxpayers.

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But finds an affordable solution and it fulfills.

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Campaign promises of connecting the bike path and so.

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In the compromise needed.

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To be fair to both the east side of Holloway Road and the West side of Holdaway Rd.

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The compromise is in the section where there isn't a bike path.

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Is to save money and if the council wants to do it now and wants to spend $1,000,000 in doing it the right way, but the affordable

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way is just to in that section of 400 S.

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Would be to combine both lanes.

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Because right now there are 6 feet on the South.

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And six feet on the.

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And move both of them to the north side of the road.

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The West Side.

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Would be would be built the right way? We don't need to do Ballards, we can build it.

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With a separated bike path.

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And have a separated design to be able to do that.

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This treats everyone fair now in one plan.

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The plan that.

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I think I can get we got consensus on is not to acquire anymore right of way property. So it saves about 1,000,000 bucks.

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The plan is affordable with the same 66 foot.

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Standard right of what we already own on both sections.

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Now both plans have the exact same speed limit.

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Both have.

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Two lanes of traffic.

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The same capacity.

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The A2 Lane Rd.

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Has the capacity of 20,000 cars a day.

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We're only adding 300 houses.

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Right. So like we're doing a little bit of overkill here and Clegg Farm is only adding three, but there is a little bit overkill,

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let's say the other half.

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Of the houses.

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From where like the mayor lives.

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600 houses. OK, let's say there's.

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5000 people.

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Even 10.

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We're still not even half the capacity of what a road would need.

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And both would have a separated bike path and I know that segment.

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Wouldn't be ideally designed and we could spend $1,000,000 to design it the right way.

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But.

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But it would it would save the taxpayer a lot of money.

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And the last thing that I would tell Council is.

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These are the pictures of center and main.

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This is a larger capacity Rd. by statue.

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But it's a 14 foot wide Rd. in either direction.

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This is the same thing with no standard in Main Street, right next to the City Hall.

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On the same corridor, except for this has no standard and no sidewalk.

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You can go around the city and say this is 300 W.

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It's again 14 feet wide on either direction. This has no bike path.

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It just has sidewalks and so like.

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On this corridor, each development.

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Developer has.

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Created a completely different standard.

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And so that's why.

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Having a larger Rd. on the West side.

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Then what is on the east? It's like they should have the same 66 foot standards.

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To council is is that.

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Before getting any staff involved, we need to.

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We need to come together and say.

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One, do we believe that we should treat everybody equally? And then two.

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Should it be a larger, more expensive 70?

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Like 75 foot.

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Right of way and acquire the property.

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Or.

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Can we all agree and direct staff to design something out that fits?

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And finds a solution.

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I don't know if I spoke with the landowner.

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Correctly.

448
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If you want to say something better, you could.

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Please come on down. We'd love to try to solve the solution. Love to hear from you. Come on down.

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It's OK.

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I have never talked litigation with anyone of you. I've I've talked to all of you about this. I actually want a safe Rd. along

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there.

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And as a resident there forever, ever since they put in those bike lanes.

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With respect to where the church is.

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You never see anybody out there in the bike lanes.

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When the kids go to school.

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Where do they ride their bikes?

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They ride their bikes on the sidewalk.

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I know the residents of Sleepy Ridge. I have conversations with them all the time and I've asked a bunch of them.

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Why don't you have your kids use the bike lanes? It's too close to the cars.

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And so they don't even like those bike lanes.

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My daughter, 2 of my daughters are in that ward so I know.

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I know.

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A lot of people over there, besides dealing with them about the golf course.

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And.

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The idea simply for me.

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The short of it is to take.

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The width of those bike lanes, one one of them 6 foot on one side and 1 seven on the other.

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Take those out and move them to one side like Jake says, move the road over.

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Let the kids that have always ride their.

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There are bikes to school on the sidewalk there and then we have a really nice big trail.

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On the other side.

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And it can be 10 foot.

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I've done my homework and gone up the Provo River Trail and.

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And along University Ave. both of those are 1010 foot wide.

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The one on University Ave. right there next to the golf course Riverside.

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The road is there with cars going 60 miles an hour, there's a curb and then you've got the 10.

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10 foot.

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Wide lane with a stripe down the center.

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And that works really good.

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I spent a lot of time.

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On my electric bike going up Provo Canyon.

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And and even in the news, I don't hear of any accidents.

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You get some yahoos coming down on their skateboards and they're going way faster than what they should.

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And uh.

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And I and I haven't heard any accidents, I really do believe.

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That those bike lanes on 400 S by the stake center.

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Are really a waste.

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Thank you. But what?

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Thank you.

491
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So anyway.

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I just, I just think.

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I'm a trails guy myself.

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I love them.

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I want to help them out in the future, but but we ought to do things that are common sense that really make.

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Things safer.

497
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Awesome. Thanks.

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Council for.

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To for the purpose of the discussion here, so as I see this.

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00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:06,790
We really have. There's three different issues here.

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We have a Rd.

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Or the ORM owns.

503
00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:14,740
We have an area that Alpine School District owns.

504
00:45:14,820 --> 00:45:16,700
Right. And then there's what we can do.

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I'm gonna give a quick report.

506
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:19,980
I'm on where?

507
00:45:20,060 --> 00:45:21,220
David, Kyle and I are on.

508
00:45:21,340 --> 00:45:24,260
In ongoing negotiations to get this forum.

509
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Problem fixed. They are aligned they.

510
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Recognize that it is a problem.

511
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:32,100
They're getting the phone calls from the state present as well.

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Regarding the the parking, so they they're, they're lined.

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00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:39,420
So I think that if we could just let.

514
00:45:39,540 --> 00:45:45,620
Me can continue down that road of discussion and and come to back with you guys with some options to kind of.

515
00:45:45,740 --> 00:45:46,740
Help with that?

516
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:48,300
Because at the end of the day.

517
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:49,980
We don't own the road.

518
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,980
Right, it's there's a couple.

519
00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:57,070
Things that Naseem made me aware of is that road is up for micro surfacing this year.

520
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:58,820
And so as long as we keep that.

521
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:02,340
Discussion and Oram has said we'll paint however you want to paint it. Yeah, they will.

522
00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:04,470
They just said you just tell us how you want.

523
00:46:04,540 --> 00:46:07,910
So there's some steps in our local agreement we need to enter into and different things.

524
00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:09,220
So we can work on that.

525
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:11,780
With the Alpine School district as well.

526
00:46:12,820 --> 00:46:13,940
I haven't met with them.

527
00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:19,700
But I have talked to the board about that saying this is an issue and they they recognize that as well. So.

528
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:24,820
In just for our own time this evening, if we could narrow the discussion of this work session on.

529
00:46:24,980 --> 00:46:26,070
What we can do?

530
00:46:26,260 --> 00:46:27,940
I think that would that would be helpful.

531
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:32,180
So I would just say that since we own property at the park.

532
00:46:32,580 --> 00:46:34,260
We can have leverage of.

533
00:46:34,340 --> 00:46:35,060
Please do not.

534
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:36,740
Schedule events because.

535
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:37,980
They if they don't.

536
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:39,060
Double schedule.

537
00:46:39,220 --> 00:46:41,660
There's not a parking problem until it's fixed.

538
00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:43,020
And I think as.

539
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:44,940
I don't think we have to do a resolution.

540
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:47,860
I think just this conversation, yeah, they're buying on it.

541
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:53,260
Hey, we want to give you, I don't know what it is, 12 months, 18 months to figure that out.

542
00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:55,660
But after an 18 month period.

543
00:46:55,740 --> 00:47:00,350
We don't want the facilities used for park like yeah, in that way.

544
00:47:00,620 --> 00:47:01,380
Because.

545
00:47:01,460 --> 00:47:05,100
It's our property that we own, so you're going to need to stop soccer.

546
00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:09,660
Fields. It might take a little while to plan that, sure, but I mean, they've had.

547
00:47:10,060 --> 00:47:16,540
Since Ross Holdaway sold that property, there has been complaints for 18 years and it's fallen on deaf ears to.

548
00:47:16,660 --> 00:47:18,140
Park so it's like.

549
00:47:18,220 --> 00:47:21,260
What do we have as leverage to make them move?

550
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:23,540
Yeah, on that right or action that.

551
00:47:23,940 --> 00:47:25,220
2:00 on that one.

552
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:27,390
I know there were some terms on the sale like we don't.

553
00:47:27,780 --> 00:47:33,620
We don't have any programming rights on that piece of property we own, right? That's correct. There's no programming rights.

554
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:39,420
And so all the programming rights lie with Orum. So do we. There's maybe look at that sale and see.

555
00:47:39,820 --> 00:47:40,420
What? Uh.

556
00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:44,000
We're even allowed to to do as part of the contingency. Yeah, it's a lease, isn't it's not a sale, right? It's not a sale. We own

557
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,460
the property.

558
00:47:47,940 --> 00:47:49,780
Yeah, 99 year, I think.

559
00:47:49,860 --> 00:47:51,340
But I could be wrong, I'll check.

560
00:47:51,500 --> 00:47:53,580
We'll look into that for sure. I think though that.

561
00:47:54,780 --> 00:47:56,260
The fever pitch, I mean, we.

562
00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:58,420
We were with Bran and their whole city.

563
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:01,820
They're they're interested, their leadership team working together. Yeah, they're, they have a just huge desire to get this fixed,

564
00:48:01,820 --> 00:48:05,140
so.

565
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:07,060
But they're right now just.

566
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:09,380
Entering into baseball season so.

567
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:13,620
I'm sure they've already got that program down. Yeah, already programmed, that's why.

568
00:48:13,780 --> 00:48:17,500
That's why I say there needs to be some time, but it needs to be something of like.

569
00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:18,460
A priority.

570
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:25,460
18 to 24 months, whatever planning, like I'm saying we own this property we don't want, we've talked in the short term about.

571
00:48:26,860 --> 00:48:27,780
Crossing.

572
00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:30,820
New crosswalk and lights for crosswalks.

573
00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:31,590
And that sort of thing.

574
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:35,990
Which would be very helpful considering the circumstances of.

575
00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:38,940
The previous incidences that were on 4 S.

576
00:48:40,770 --> 00:48:42,970
OK, so let's jump down to.

577
00:48:43,340 --> 00:48:46,300
What do we want to do? What do we don't want to do with the vineyard?

578
00:48:48,900 --> 00:48:49,580
Property, yeah.

579
00:48:50,220 --> 00:48:52,700
The vineyard portion of the of the road.

580
00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:56,250
All I know is we need to be united, so OK.

581
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:57,700
Like.

582
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,110
I generally like.

583
00:49:00,340 --> 00:49:02,940
Are we? Is the microphones really on? I can't hear them.

584
00:49:03,020 --> 00:49:03,620
Coming out.

585
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:06,580
In the room, Jesse, tell me if you can hear me.

586
00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:11,010
You didn't chime in. Yeah.

587
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:16,460
Normally I tell Tony to turn up the microphone like two or three times.

588
00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:17,420
Yeah.

589
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:21,220
I can hear, I can hear you. There's a little bit of static.

590
00:49:21,420 --> 00:49:23,620
From time to time, but I can hear you OK.

591
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:26,820
Generally, I'm in favor of the.

592
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:31,060
Separate bike path, I think that kind of matches the existing infrastructure that's.

593
00:49:31,540 --> 00:49:33,740
Prevalent in the city and those are well.

594
00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:35,260
Received and used.

595
00:49:35,540 --> 00:49:38,460
I think that also enhances the safety of the location.

596
00:49:38,700 --> 00:49:39,380
My uh.

597
00:49:39,540 --> 00:49:40,780
Big concern.

598
00:49:41,140 --> 00:49:41,580
As I've.

599
00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:47,750
Talked with council members as I've talked to members of the community is I don't want to do something.

600
00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:48,860
You know we've.

601
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,990
Busted our butts to try and get.

602
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:54,420
Aligned with a reduced budget.

603
00:49:54,820 --> 00:49:56,590
And to make sure that we are.

604
00:49:56,740 --> 00:49:59,390
Being good fiscal stewards for the Community.

605
00:49:59,620 --> 00:50:00,460
We're trying to get.

606
00:50:01,220 --> 00:50:06,540
Accounts and reserves in place. So anything that's a big ask, especially like $1,000,000 ask up front.

607
00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:09,300
Is just going to be a hard no from me.

608
00:50:09,740 --> 00:50:12,180
Generally speaking, I don't think that that.

609
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:14,460
Aligns with what we've been trying to do.

610
00:50:14,580 --> 00:50:18,660
Yeah, I think the 66 foot cross section.

611
00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:20,180
That is in front of the.

612
00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:21,460
The church there.

613
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:23,780
I think it's very workable.

614
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:28,140
Cross section we can adjust the lanes however we want and the paint how we.

615
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:31,900
We want and that works fine and I don't see why that wouldn't suffice.

616
00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:32,980
All the way down.

617
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:33,740
To Main Street.

618
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:34,540
From there.

619
00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:38,900
And I think I generally agree with what what David saying we looked at.

620
00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:43,860
You know, before there was these two plans, there was the three.

621
00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:45,620
Previous plans The big.

622
00:50:45,700 --> 00:50:51,540
Road, the small road. And then there was the medium compromise that Councilmember Larae presented on in a work session.

623
00:50:51,980 --> 00:50:55,140
And I generally felt like that was.

624
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:58,710
Pretty sufficient infrastructure because it made it uniform.

625
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,020
While simultaneously addressing I think.

626
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:06,030
The safety concerns now I would want to look at, you know, the cost assessment between.

627
00:51:06,830 --> 00:51:08,030
That variation.

628
00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:08,740
But I'm.

629
00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:12,140
I'm not opposed to that idea. I thought that.

630
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:12,900
There was.

631
00:51:12,980 --> 00:51:14,820
Maybe some excessiveness where there was.

632
00:51:15,260 --> 00:51:18,420
Sidewalk on both sides and the trail that maybe went through.

633
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:22,620
But I think if you have the trail on one side, the sidewalk on one side, the road is uniform.

634
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:24,470
That's probably a good.

635
00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:26,580
Yeah, middle ground.

636
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:29,460
Agree, I think the only requirement I would have.

637
00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:30,740
Is it the road?

638
00:51:32,260 --> 00:51:34,980
Size appropriately that emergency vehicles could use it.

639
00:51:35,260 --> 00:51:38,780
You know, we have a, we have a fire station down there and, and they, they have an out.

640
00:51:38,860 --> 00:51:43,300
Outlet on 300 W over there and I see in the future that they could come down.

641
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:46,300
Go South on that road, come down and connect up there to.

642
00:51:46,420 --> 00:51:48,860
To 400 S and go out that way.

643
00:51:48,980 --> 00:51:50,700
And I think the requirement there is that.

644
00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:52,150
You would have to have no.

645
00:51:52,300 --> 00:51:53,140
Street parking.

646
00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:57,300
I think the fire code right now is.

647
00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:59,580
24 feet of uninterrupted.

648
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,195
Road is at the width for the fire code, right? I don't know if that's so this will fit the solution we're presenting. Chris is

649
00:52:04,195 --> 00:52:07,910
looking like he might know.

650
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:13,500
Development where you have fire access roads, yes, I think.

651
00:52:14,500 --> 00:52:19,180
And, and this is much wider, so the Ballards wouldn't be wouldn't take a.

652
00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:21,220
Full lane in talking with.

653
00:52:21,780 --> 00:52:24,620
Scott Johnson and the whole Ashley.

654
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:26,340
Acres group, I went.

655
00:52:26,420 --> 00:52:27,860
And knocked every door.

656
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:28,980
You know you've got.

657
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:33,660
14 feet and a bike path a ballard's could take half a lane at.

658
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:36,620
You know, 10 to 8 feet.

659
00:52:37,340 --> 00:52:39,660
And making the road very wide.

660
00:52:39,780 --> 00:52:40,700
And I know the sheriff.

661
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:45,540
Is on that road because of the speeders. It's so wide that that's where they set up.

662
00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:48,300
They get calls all the time, so shrinking it down.

663
00:52:48,380 --> 00:52:49,380
Would actually.

664
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:50,860
Help it.

665
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:54,580
But it's not shrinking down to a skinny Rd. I mean, you're still going to be going.

666
00:52:54,980 --> 00:53:00,120
Someone wanted to go 40, they could still go down 40. I mean we want them to go at a save. The 66 foot cross section is a pretty

667
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,260
decent Rd. Yeah, it's a very decent Rd. but putting the bollards on it to make sure that there is a.

668
00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:09,740
A A dedicated bike lane because.

669
00:53:09,860 --> 00:53:11,580
The thing that we haven't brought up is.

670
00:53:11,700 --> 00:53:12,300
The uh.

671
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:16,220
Bike Blvd. which is Holdaway Rd. That's already past the council.

672
00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:17,940
Kids are supposed to use.

673
00:53:18,100 --> 00:53:20,300
You have the stretch from the park.

674
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:23,220
And then it crosses Center St. onto Holdaway Rd.

675
00:53:23,820 --> 00:53:28,860
They're supposed to, that's supposed to be the bike road or whatever and connect, but it just ends.

676
00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:31,740
There's no bike path to get to the park, so that's.

677
00:53:32,100 --> 00:53:37,180
To help me understand just a little bit better, is the proposition for the bollards just for the?

678
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:41,400
Just that section, that strip between the Lakefront Sports Complex and Holdaway Rd. Correct. And and there is a second if we want

679
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,180
to pay.

680
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:47,180
To RIP out the city, the.

681
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:49,500
The sidewalk.

682
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:55,540
And shrink it to match. You could do something in the middle but then it's another $1,000,000 and then talking with.

683
00:53:55,940 --> 00:53:58,820
You know, Nate Riley and everyone that's on that road, they're like.

684
00:53:58,900 --> 00:54:05,100
We presented the bollard solution and it's great. It's not that bad. They're all totally. They're like, I love that.

685
00:54:05,180 --> 00:54:06,620
They want this.

686
00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:12,140
As a solution, I spoke with every single landowner on that road and they they support this.

687
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,100
And I also spoke, so there's no.

688
00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:15,100
There's no.

689
00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:19,030
Not one person has spoken to us against this proposal.

690
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:20,220
On the road now.

691
00:54:20,420 --> 00:54:21,420
People might that.

692
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:22,820
Are driving through.

693
00:54:23,810 --> 00:54:29,670
You know, might not get the I-15 Interstate of the 75 feet wide that they would enjoy, but it's not.

694
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:32,820
So the thing from council would be.

695
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:37,940
Could we, if we find a general consensus, could we now then go to Naseem and draft?

696
00:54:38,220 --> 00:54:38,780
That.

697
00:54:40,060 --> 00:54:43,300
And draft the legal to we do have to acquire.

698
00:54:43,660 --> 00:54:44,500
A section.

699
00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:45,820
From Keith.

700
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:48,300
And we've put this to bed and we can build it.

701
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:51,030
Could I just get a map of?

702
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:51,780
The uh.

703
00:54:52,220 --> 00:54:55,180
Two side by sides, because we've got some existing plans right that.

704
00:54:55,540 --> 00:54:57,100
Have been through the process already.

705
00:54:57,460 --> 00:55:00,260
I just want to see that compared to what's being proposed.

706
00:55:00,380 --> 00:55:03,430
So instead, yeah, and we can map that, we can post and say here is.

707
00:55:03,540 --> 00:55:07,460
Like, here's the sketch. Here's what the road is going to look like. Here's what the sidewalk a trail.

708
00:55:07,540 --> 00:55:09,700
Seen like a few different maps and so.

709
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:11,140
I just don't know what.

710
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:14,270
It's hard just kind of describing it to see.

711
00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:15,020
Like just.

712
00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:17,220
But here's where the bollards would go.

713
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:19,140
Here's what the cross section would look like.

714
00:55:19,220 --> 00:55:21,380
Just having a basic sketch of that compared to.

715
00:55:21,540 --> 00:55:23,100
You know what we've got and then?

716
00:55:23,220 --> 00:55:26,780
We could do that kind of timeline of what we need to do to approve that, I think, right. I just didn't want to spend thousands of

717
00:55:26,780 --> 00:55:30,340
dollars because I knew that.

718
00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:35,980
There's so much different variation in just an easy, so it doesn't have to be, We could just something like.

719
00:55:36,140 --> 00:55:40,420
Well now I got a week ago walk it me and you, but also sketch it so I could have.

720
00:55:41,140 --> 00:55:43,140
Naseem, if you guys are OK with that?

721
00:55:43,740 --> 00:55:44,580
Draft up.

722
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:48,100
Just a basic this basic picture. Yeah, just something that.

723
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:51,220
You know, you have the, you have that temporary segment, yeah.

724
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:55,740
You have the temporary. This is block is going to be treated the same right of ways the same.

725
00:55:56,580 --> 00:55:57,500
But it's with.

726
00:55:57,740 --> 00:56:01,580
The same right of way is the same, but this is designed with.

727
00:56:02,020 --> 00:56:05,980
The right way, right? So it has a bike path that's there.

728
00:56:06,100 --> 00:56:08,940
And if the Council wants to pay to do that, I don't think it.

729
00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:10,900
I don't think we need to spend the $1,000,000 the.

730
00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:15,060
Bollards are like $25 apiece. You don't have to buy very many of them.

731
00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:16,620
It's going to be between 6:00 to.

732
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:18,380
$10,000.

733
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:21,380
To buy them for that segment. That's how cheap this is.

734
00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:22,900
And.

735
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:25,140
And so it's a.

736
00:56:25,620 --> 00:56:28,780
And it also there's a massive cost savings.

737
00:56:30,140 --> 00:56:32,900
If we go on the old plan, we have to.

738
00:56:33,020 --> 00:56:40,700
Build a retaining wall on my corner of my house and we haven't even priced that out. The current this corner here, yeah.

739
00:56:40,940 --> 00:56:41,620
So we haven't.

740
00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:45,220
Because my my corner is 5 1/2 or.

741
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:47,220
5 feet tall.

742
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:50,670
We have to build quite a substantial.

743
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:51,780
Retaining wall.

744
00:56:51,900 --> 00:56:52,540
On that.

745
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:55,590
And then we also the city. The city will have to.

746
00:56:56,140 --> 00:57:00,060
And that wasn't in the plan like the when the contractor came over, it was like, what are we doing? He's like.

747
00:57:00,140 --> 00:57:02,660
You don't have a retaining wall above 3 feet.

748
00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:09,460
You have to pay for a retaining. You have to build a retaining wall. It has to be engineered, has to be engineered.

749
00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:11,020
And so that.

750
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:13,780
Made the cost even more expensive on the other plan.

751
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:15,300
And then you've also got a.

752
00:57:16,660 --> 00:57:18,540
Acquire the other property, so it's like.

753
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:23,100
This is getting really expensive and that's when I said the council doesn't know all of these costs.

754
00:57:23,860 --> 00:57:26,870
And they don't know the different right of ways don't align.

755
00:57:27,580 --> 00:57:28,980
In that so.

756
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:30,700
But I'm more than happy to say OK.

757
00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:33,140
Yeah, the map, we're consistent with everyone.

758
00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:36,420
I'd like to just.

759
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:39,190
Personally if we can get the map or get the graphics.

760
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:43,780
Go and try and share that and collect feedback with that area, yeah.

761
00:57:44,100 --> 00:57:45,540
I think that there are.

762
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:50,380
Differing perspectives but like I know Ashley Akers and Sleepy Age are very aligned on this.

763
00:57:50,660 --> 00:57:51,740
Generally speaking.

764
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:55,380
But then you get down towards the Mayors neighborhood.

765
00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:56,500
And those people?

766
00:57:56,620 --> 00:58:01,780
Were more interested in the larger Rd. because they want to use that as an ingress.

767
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:07,430
Totally. So I just would like to collect as much feedback as we can.

768
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:09,780
Sure. Well, I think they're informed decisions.

769
00:58:09,860 --> 00:58:10,460
So.

770
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:11,100
If I.

771
00:58:11,540 --> 00:58:16,460
Get a consensus, draft the plan as is, but we'll come back to council for a vote.

772
00:58:18,910 --> 00:58:23,590
Just a picture of what concept? Like, yeah, just like concept. Just something like this.

773
00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:26,180
This is Yeah. Here's the road.

774
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:28,420
This I can tell you.

775
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:35,723
I can tell you more than that. Yeah, I can tell you it's 14 feet in both directions. It's got a 2 1/2 foot draw it for me. Yeah, I

776
00:58:35,723 --> 00:58:41,216
can do that. We can do that. But do you want to do it over Google Maps? We want to wait a week, say here's what we're considering.

777
00:58:41,216 --> 00:58:46,709
Yeah, let's.

778
00:58:47,140 --> 00:58:47,940
Look at it.

779
00:58:48,460 --> 00:58:51,580
And then we can run cost estimates based on that like we can get all that.

780
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:53,140
Information if we have like.

781
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:55,980
Defined, but don't draft all official plans yet.

782
00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:57,820
No, no, no, just a.

783
00:58:58,300 --> 00:59:00,860
Something that high level concept of, yeah.

784
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,640
Because even that that draft like.

785
00:59:04,410 --> 00:59:08,190
Both. You were just saying that allows us to start looking at the costs for everything.

786
00:59:08,300 --> 00:59:09,660
And getting those estimates in.

787
00:59:09,860 --> 00:59:10,820
OK, OK.

788
00:59:12,260 --> 00:59:14,220
All right. Is that good direction? Yes.

789
00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:20,060
OK, all right, Council, it is 645. I told you I spoke to Muncie. I have a hard stop.

790
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:25,620
If you'd like to keep going, we could appoint a mayor Pro Tem, but I gotta get to that pillar in the valley event.

791
00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:26,420
Can I like?

792
00:59:26,940 --> 00:59:27,900
Ask we've.

793
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:33,970
I know Mr. Riddle had sent an e-mail to all of you earlier today. I don't know if you guys had seen that.

794
00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:37,340
As we have done the research in these.

795
00:59:37,620 --> 00:59:38,830
Business items.

796
00:59:40,260 --> 00:59:42,060
I think largely.

797
00:59:42,220 --> 00:59:44,460
We've identified that these are not.

798
00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:47,140
Immediately urgent.

799
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:49,580
Yeah. We've we've determined that that really the.

800
00:59:49,660 --> 00:59:52,100
The immediacy is only really.

801
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:53,620
Applying to one of them? Really.

802
00:59:53,780 --> 00:59:56,820
Correct. And and even that one I think is is.

803
00:59:57,820 --> 00:59:59,900
The deadline for that would be May 6th.

804
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:01,620
So in theory.

805
01:00:01,780 --> 01:00:05,100
If we continue, we can move it to a work session next week.

806
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:10,700
We can then move it and vote the following week as a business item and that would be April 28th.

807
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:12,580
The risk that we as.

808
01:00:12,860 --> 01:00:14,310
Take on when we do that.

809
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:15,380
Is.

810
01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:16,740
You don't have.

811
01:00:16,820 --> 01:00:21,260
Any bolstered protections between now and then, but it would be essentially the same as.

812
01:00:21,580 --> 01:00:25,220
If the state Bill 284 didn't happen because it's just our current.

813
01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:26,700
Code and ordinances.

814
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:30,180
So I'm I'm OK with a continuance if.

815
01:00:30,300 --> 01:00:34,620
You all are OK with continuing all of those items. I would like to continue 5.

816
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:36,500
5.2 so yeah, but 5.

817
01:00:37,340 --> 01:00:38,060
I'm sorry, 5.

818
01:00:38,820 --> 01:00:41,100
20202620.

819
01:00:41,180 --> 01:00:43,230
Dash 23, I'd like to discuss that.

820
01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:47,300
A little bit and and see if see if we have consensus to pass that.

821
01:00:47,460 --> 01:00:50,660
If we don't, we can continue it, but the other side I think do need to be continued.

822
01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:53,140
OK, so then I'm going to.

823
01:00:53,660 --> 01:00:54,780
If I'm doing this right.

824
01:00:55,060 --> 01:00:56,740
Do you want? Do you want full consensus?

825
01:00:57,140 --> 01:01:01,020
On 5/2 because I would love to just continue all of them.

826
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:02,590
Discussing the work session at length.

827
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:04,700
I don't see any.

828
01:01:05,650 --> 01:01:06,610
Immediacy to.

829
01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:10,060
Can't we do a work session tonight on that one? So at least we're.

830
01:01:10,410 --> 01:01:12,740
Like, I think we get a lot done just talking tonight.

831
01:01:13,820 --> 01:01:17,260
I'd love for staff to have more time to review. There's some data points that I know that they're probably not prepared to have

832
01:01:17,260 --> 01:01:20,700
and I'd also like.

833
01:01:21,250 --> 01:01:24,890
To request that the planners are here, if we could get our planning department, I think that that's one. This is a note they were

834
01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:28,530
invited to come.

835
01:01:29,370 --> 01:01:31,050
So they were invited though.

836
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,160
We should direct them to come.

837
01:01:36,010 --> 01:01:37,170
That would be the mayor's.

838
01:01:38,290 --> 01:01:39,810
Prerogative.

839
01:01:40,290 --> 01:01:41,930
Yeah, I I would.

840
01:01:42,730 --> 01:01:44,210
I would support I mean.

841
01:01:44,970 --> 01:01:46,010
I would recommend.

842
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:46,850
And.

843
01:01:47,570 --> 01:01:48,490
Ask.

844
01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:50,290
That we.

845
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:52,290
**** to the work session.

846
01:01:52,930 --> 01:01:55,010
Then a vote.

847
01:01:55,370 --> 01:01:56,850
Process as outlined.

848
01:01:57,570 --> 01:01:59,260
And I would ask that we.

849
01:01:59,490 --> 01:02:00,250
Do that.

850
01:02:00,810 --> 01:02:01,370
But.

851
01:02:03,610 --> 01:02:07,460
That's what that is. I just don't feel, I don't feel comfortable.

852
01:02:07,770 --> 01:02:10,370
With how this process has come about.

853
01:02:11,050 --> 01:02:12,570
I said my piece at the beginning.

854
01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:15,410
And then that's all I'm I'm. I'll be done. But so I'm.

855
01:02:15,650 --> 01:02:17,010
The mayor wants to.

856
01:02:17,410 --> 01:02:18,220
Get out of here.

857
01:02:18,330 --> 01:02:22,070
So yeah, I'm OK if we work session that item and we move to continue the rest, because I plan on being here for two hours either

858
01:02:22,070 --> 01:02:25,810
way, right?

859
01:02:25,930 --> 01:02:27,770
Sometimes it's 345, but.

860
01:02:28,050 --> 01:02:30,610
So are you? Yeah, that's fine.

861
01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:32,210
So but.

862
01:02:33,050 --> 01:02:36,170
So what's your heart? What time is your heart? Stopped 5 minutes ago.

863
01:02:36,250 --> 01:02:37,170
Yeah, so.

864
01:02:37,610 --> 01:02:39,210
I'll make a motion to.

865
01:02:39,330 --> 01:02:40,410
Continue Uh.

866
01:02:41,430 --> 01:02:42,860
All the items 5.

867
01:02:43,010 --> 01:02:44,170
.1 through.

868
01:02:44,290 --> 01:02:45,170
6.1.

869
01:02:45,690 --> 01:02:46,850
To next week's meeting.

870
01:02:47,810 --> 01:02:48,570
Work session.

871
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:51,940
OK, I have a motion. Do I have a second?

872
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:54,590
What?

873
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:58,690
I'm not looking at you.

874
01:02:59,050 --> 01:03:03,250
I'm trying to gauge the view down the table if we're not voting for it tonight.

875
01:03:03,370 --> 01:03:06,700
And I generally agree, but I also don't want to waste the time.

876
01:03:06,930 --> 01:03:07,530
And.

877
01:03:08,170 --> 01:03:09,250
I believe that.

878
01:03:09,330 --> 01:03:14,570
Council Member Holdaway and Councilmember Loray just proposed that they would like to at least work session that one item.

879
01:03:15,010 --> 01:03:15,810
So I'm.

880
01:03:16,450 --> 01:03:20,410
Looking to see how they feel, trying to gauge down the line because.

881
01:03:20,490 --> 01:03:23,890
I don't want to second something if we can use the time effectively.

882
01:03:24,050 --> 01:03:26,610
To just at least address, I think we can use it effectively.

883
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,700
We can let the mayor go and just.

884
01:03:29,770 --> 01:03:33,660
Like because we don't get to talk amongst ourselves. And I think there's not misinformation, but like.

885
01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:38,570
I would like to ask just general questions so we're prepared for a work session next week.

886
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:40,690
You know if we if it needs to be.

887
01:03:40,770 --> 01:03:42,850
So motion was given. Do I have a second?

888
01:03:43,810 --> 01:03:45,810
OK, I'll offer revising it.

889
01:03:46,610 --> 01:03:49,290
Well, OK, so I'll motion to continue.

890
01:03:49,650 --> 01:03:50,730
51.

891
01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:52,450
53.

892
01:03:52,810 --> 01:03:55,650
54555657 and 61.

893
01:03:56,290 --> 01:03:57,370
And then we can talk about.

894
01:03:57,450 --> 01:03:59,410
Did you say you said 57, Ezra?

895
01:03:59,650 --> 01:04:00,650
Yes, you did OK.

896
01:04:00,970 --> 01:04:02,380
All right. Do I have a second for that?

897
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,980
That's all of them but the one, right? Except for the one.

898
01:04:06,090 --> 01:04:08,130
Yeah, we all generally agree with that case.

899
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:10,290
Second by Jacob Wood. All in favor.

900
01:04:10,690 --> 01:04:12,770
Aye. Motion passes.

901
01:04:12,970 --> 01:04:15,730
All right, next is we need to do a mayor Pro Tem.

902
01:04:16,090 --> 01:04:17,370
Who wants the hot seat?

903
01:04:19,850 --> 01:04:21,570
Parker I like hitting the gavel.

904
01:04:22,050 --> 01:04:23,930
To I think.

905
01:04:24,010 --> 01:04:24,850
In honor of.

906
01:04:25,090 --> 01:04:29,770
His newborn baby we should make in honor of his new son shocks.

907
01:04:30,490 --> 01:04:31,610
OK. All right.

908
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:33,090
So I have a motion to have.

909
01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:34,770
Parker be mayor Pro Tem.

910
01:04:34,810 --> 01:04:35,860
For the rest of the meeting.

911
01:04:36,250 --> 01:04:37,330
Or in perpetuity.

912
01:04:37,530 --> 01:04:44,130
Either way, let's let's no and I clarify the motion, Israel.

913
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:51,490
Nominate her to appoint Parker as the mayor Pro Tem was the point. OK, awesome job a second.

914
01:04:51,570 --> 01:04:52,290
I'll second that.

915
01:04:52,410 --> 01:04:53,650
OK, all in favor.

916
01:04:53,810 --> 01:04:56,890
Hi, All right, bring that gavel down here when you walk past.

917
01:04:57,170 --> 01:04:58,170
Yeah, There you go, Parker.

918
01:04:58,450 --> 01:05:01,010
I'm excited about this one. Here you go, buddy.

919
01:05:01,490 --> 01:05:02,730
Use it. Thank you.

920
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:05,410
Thanks guys.

921
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:09,430
Again, I yeah, just talking. No, this will be good. I.

922
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:10,370
Again I.

923
01:05:10,610 --> 01:05:14,050
Committed to this pillar of the valley thing, thinking that this was going to be work session.

924
01:05:14,410 --> 01:05:16,450
And we need to get to it so.

925
01:05:17,250 --> 01:05:20,290
Hey, well, we had a public comment and we have a couple people.

926
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:22,290
I apologize.

927
01:05:22,610 --> 01:05:28,010
That last mayor just totally disregarded the public comment. Allow me please, could we have public comment? Mayor Pro Tem, I have

928
01:05:28,010 --> 01:05:33,410
an introduction, introductory comments for this if you if you have say again.

929
01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:35,770
I have introductory comments for this if you if you have.

930
01:05:36,130 --> 01:05:37,610
OK, after we do the public.

931
01:05:38,010 --> 01:05:41,730
Comment or your introductory comment for public comment.

932
01:05:41,810 --> 01:05:43,340
Well, it may set the tone for all that.

933
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:48,370
Karen, are you OK if we allow Councilmember Larae to set the tone?

934
01:05:48,730 --> 01:05:49,810
Absolutely.

935
01:05:51,130 --> 01:05:52,330
Thank you. Thank you.

936
01:05:53,260 --> 01:05:56,020
So I wanted to say that start out here.

937
01:05:56,170 --> 01:06:03,050
That we recognize that the Vineyard RDA is already entered into several contracts and agreements with various land developers.

938
01:06:04,050 --> 01:06:06,810
We further recognize that these arrangements are binding.

939
01:06:06,930 --> 01:06:09,890
And that the Vineyard RDA expressly intends to honor these arrangements.

940
01:06:10,570 --> 01:06:15,460
We likewise recognize that land owners have certain vested rights associated with their properties.

941
01:06:15,850 --> 01:06:18,530
Which the Vineyard RDA also intends to abide by.

942
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,620
Any action taken as a result of these proposed resolutions that we're working on?

943
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:29,130
Will only apply in conditions where there are no existing contracts, agreements or vested property rights.

944
01:06:29,490 --> 01:06:31,890
Or were there changes being requested to property rights?

945
01:06:32,570 --> 01:06:37,410
These only applied, so it's just new or renegotiated agreements only. That's what we're talking about.

946
01:06:37,730 --> 01:06:40,530
So any existing arrangements we have?

947
01:06:40,690 --> 01:06:41,530
Would stand.

948
01:06:42,130 --> 01:06:43,810
There is no intention to change them.

949
01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:46,490
So that's let me start with that.

950
01:06:47,890 --> 01:06:52,250
Also, I want to say that as we value highly of the principles of transparency and deliberation.

951
01:06:52,690 --> 01:06:56,410
Our normal process for any proposed legislation would be to 1st examine the issue and any proposed legislation in a working

952
01:06:56,410 --> 01:07:00,130
session for the City Council.

953
01:07:00,730 --> 01:07:08,170
2nd, to allow the Council time to research the issue and its implications, as well as to allow the public time to weigh in on the.

954
01:07:09,010 --> 01:07:10,810
On it during the week or so.

955
01:07:11,410 --> 01:07:16,690
3rd, we would pick up the proposal legislation in a subsequent meeting as a business item where it would be discussed further.

956
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:21,330
And when the council is ready, voted on and that's that's the process we would like to follow.

957
01:07:21,530 --> 01:07:24,730
And we intended to follow now I would I would point out that these.

958
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:28,570
There have been a lot of things happening these last little while we've had spring break.

959
01:07:29,410 --> 01:07:31,770
You know, there's there have been medical issues and.

960
01:07:32,410 --> 01:07:34,290
More than one person involved with that.

961
01:07:34,410 --> 01:07:40,300
And and so forth. There's it's just been, it's been a rough these, these things were first looked at.

962
01:07:40,410 --> 01:07:41,330
Over a month ago.

963
01:07:41,570 --> 01:07:42,730
And so the.

964
01:07:43,330 --> 01:07:47,610
Because there is a time sensitive date attached to at least one of them.

965
01:07:48,050 --> 01:07:52,570
It was it was felt that we had to press forward to make sure that we did. We didn't miss that deadline.

966
01:07:52,930 --> 01:07:55,930
And so as a result of that, we pressed forward to try to have.

967
01:07:56,410 --> 01:07:58,010
To have this as a business item.

968
01:07:58,090 --> 01:07:58,650
Tonight.

969
01:07:59,970 --> 01:08:01,370
We have sensed as we.

970
01:08:01,690 --> 01:08:04,690
And I'd have to say that as I've researched this, I found it.

971
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:09,620
Found it hard to learn things about it to the last 24 hours and all of a sudden everybody had information about it.

972
01:08:09,690 --> 01:08:12,210
And all their inquiries I had made and started coming in.

973
01:08:12,370 --> 01:08:15,570
And we've learned that. We've learned that there is indeed.

974
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:17,890
Not they're not as pressing as we had.

975
01:08:17,970 --> 01:08:19,490
Where were we?

976
01:08:19,890 --> 01:08:21,250
Given to believe initially.

977
01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:24,570
And so that we can delay some of them and.

978
01:08:24,730 --> 01:08:26,090
And out without losing.

979
01:08:26,690 --> 01:08:27,450
Much ground.

980
01:08:27,810 --> 01:08:32,810
And so we wanted to acknowledge that and so and that's the reason that we've agreed to go ahead and continue most of them, but

981
01:08:32,810 --> 01:08:37,810
just look at the one that does it is more time sensitive.

982
01:08:38,330 --> 01:08:43,130
So be aware that we understand that the transparency is something we ran on and we believe in.

983
01:08:43,250 --> 01:08:44,690
And we want to abide by.

984
01:08:44,770 --> 01:08:46,090
And so and.

985
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:47,370
And if.

986
01:08:47,490 --> 01:08:48,850
If everything were.

987
01:08:49,170 --> 01:08:51,090
Not time sensitive. We could do that better.

988
01:08:51,690 --> 01:08:52,490
So just.

989
01:08:52,970 --> 01:08:55,210
You know, actually.

990
01:08:55,890 --> 01:08:56,770
I don't know if you.

991
01:08:56,890 --> 01:09:01,650
When I was running for office, I've sent out these little cards and the first first thing on there is that.

992
01:09:01,890 --> 01:09:02,650
We want to restore.

993
01:09:02,770 --> 01:09:10,090
Transparency of public trust, the government and I got it's a return, it came back today even just to remind me about that so.

994
01:09:11,250 --> 01:09:13,770
But so anyway, so I.

995
01:09:14,330 --> 01:09:17,050
And so it's kind of funny, but at the same time.

996
01:09:17,250 --> 01:09:20,690
You know, I really do believe that. I think we all do. And we want to, we want to abide by those principles and we're trying hard

997
01:09:20,690 --> 01:09:24,130
to do that.

998
01:09:24,330 --> 01:09:28,730
But we're also trying to balance the the the needs that have been thrust on us by.

999
01:09:28,970 --> 01:09:30,930
The legislature in some in some cases.

1000
01:09:31,090 --> 01:09:31,730
And this.

1001
01:09:31,770 --> 01:09:32,580
We believe is one of them.

1002
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:34,650
So that's why we're here now.

1003
01:09:34,810 --> 01:09:35,450
And so.

1004
01:09:35,570 --> 01:09:39,410
So that's my introduction. We wanted to deal with the first.

1005
01:09:40,490 --> 01:09:41,290
The first.

1006
01:09:41,730 --> 01:09:44,570
Basically the first resolution which basically sets them a framework.

1007
01:09:44,930 --> 01:09:46,690
In which the rest of them would then.

1008
01:09:46,770 --> 01:09:50,130
Reside and worked work together with and so by.

1009
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:52,570
By establishing the framework, we are hoping that.

1010
01:09:52,850 --> 01:09:55,290
You know, that would allow us to be able to meet.

1011
01:09:55,370 --> 01:10:00,810
You know the first deadline and we'd have time to really work through the issues on the other ones, make sure they're right.

1012
01:10:01,050 --> 01:10:02,370
And that there.

1013
01:10:02,650 --> 01:10:03,810
And they're not.

1014
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:08,050
They're not objectionable terribly to people, and they're actually actually doing.

1015
01:10:08,170 --> 01:10:09,530
Good for the citizens of Vineyard.

1016
01:10:10,010 --> 01:10:10,730
So that's.

1017
01:10:11,170 --> 01:10:12,570
So that's my opening statement.

1018
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:15,620
OK. Thank you.

1019
01:10:15,850 --> 01:10:16,410
Karen.

1020
01:10:17,380 --> 01:10:18,020
Thank you, David.

1021
01:10:20,610 --> 01:10:21,970
Karen Cornelius Fellows.

1022
01:10:22,410 --> 01:10:23,690
I just want to say one thing.

1023
01:10:23,850 --> 01:10:25,050
Before I get into.

1024
01:10:25,770 --> 01:10:28,650
The the things that David talked about.

1025
01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:30,050
You were talking about.

1026
01:10:31,290 --> 01:10:36,850
Oh, sorry, you were talking about accessibility for emergency vehicles coming down the road and.

1027
01:10:36,930 --> 01:10:37,970
Being able to turn.

1028
01:10:38,090 --> 01:10:41,370
Do any of you realize that there is no way a fire truck could?

1029
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:43,010
Turn off of Main Street.

1030
01:10:43,170 --> 01:10:44,090
On the Vineyard loop.

1031
01:10:49,090 --> 01:10:49,930
Going West.

1032
01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:54,530
Yeah, to go, but turning off of Main Street and particularly.

1033
01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:56,010
If they have to come.

1034
01:10:56,210 --> 01:10:58,250
Off of Main Street heading South.

1035
01:10:58,410 --> 01:10:59,850
And turning there is.

1036
01:10:59,970 --> 01:11:02,370
That road has just been decimated.

1037
01:11:02,490 --> 01:11:06,820
Right, and I know none of you did it, but I it's an important thing to consider.

1038
01:11:07,010 --> 01:11:10,770
Because there's such density on that one side of the street.

1039
01:11:11,130 --> 01:11:12,330
And they couldn't get in.

1040
01:11:12,650 --> 01:11:13,330
So.

1041
01:11:13,730 --> 01:11:15,460
My other question and.

1042
01:11:15,570 --> 01:11:17,530
You explained a lot of it, David, but.

1043
01:11:18,460 --> 01:11:23,020
Mayor was sharing with us that the time constraints are not what we thought they were.

1044
01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:27,610
So could you explain what the time constraints are on 5.2?

1045
01:11:28,130 --> 01:11:30,970
And with all of the noticing that we would have to do.

1046
01:11:31,130 --> 01:11:32,410
In order to.

1047
01:11:32,730 --> 01:11:35,170
Make all of this legal with the state.

1048
01:11:35,410 --> 01:11:37,250
What? What are our time constraints?

1049
01:11:37,330 --> 01:11:38,410
That's my question.

1050
01:11:38,890 --> 01:11:41,770
Well, these many of these would involve.

1051
01:11:42,250 --> 01:11:46,450
Public notice, public hearing and so we would have to give a 10 day notice for that and that would be the case for the for the

1052
01:11:46,450 --> 01:11:50,650
Planning Commission and then after their their action it would also.

1053
01:11:50,970 --> 01:11:53,730
Apply to the City Council, so that's another 20 days or so.

1054
01:11:54,130 --> 01:11:55,850
The Legislature.

1055
01:11:57,130 --> 01:12:00,210
Imposed an implementation date of May 6th, 2026.

1056
01:12:00,490 --> 01:12:02,290
And so can I clarify that?

1057
01:12:02,370 --> 01:12:03,570
Though the.

1058
01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:06,050
May 6 deadline.

1059
01:12:06,250 --> 01:12:08,130
Is largely.

1060
01:12:08,650 --> 01:12:14,170
Applicable to the 5.2 item. That's the resolution 202623.

1061
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:16,810
So that's the one that we're going to stay to talk about.

1062
01:12:17,490 --> 01:12:18,730
That one is.

1063
01:12:18,890 --> 01:12:20,090
A resolution.

1064
01:12:20,170 --> 01:12:20,970
It would not.

1065
01:12:21,690 --> 01:12:22,450
Be the same.

1066
01:12:24,730 --> 01:12:29,210
There are other resolutions that we were talking about. There was maybe some question as to whether or not.

1067
01:12:29,730 --> 01:12:30,450
We were.

1068
01:12:30,490 --> 01:12:33,435
Bypassing Planning Commission, and we wanted to look at that a little bit more thoroughly and make sure that we're going through

1069
01:12:33,435 --> 01:12:36,380
this process the correct way.

1070
01:12:36,570 --> 01:12:39,930
And that's where those notices may be applied, but that's not.

1071
01:12:40,530 --> 01:12:43,300
Affected by the May 6 deadline, to my understanding.

1072
01:12:43,850 --> 01:12:50,450
In fact, some of there are other dates in there, they're further out like July and then October for some of the issues, but.

1073
01:12:50,530 --> 01:12:52,010
But for the overall framework.

1074
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:52,810
May 6th.

1075
01:12:53,050 --> 01:12:56,810
Because it's been a long time, you know, very drawn out that we have not.

1076
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:58,370
Address this issue.

1077
01:12:58,610 --> 01:12:59,940
In these meetings.

1078
01:13:00,330 --> 01:13:06,850
And that is not a new deadline, that May 6 is not a new deadline. And so my concern is.

1079
01:13:08,590 --> 01:13:09,980
That sometimes.

1080
01:13:10,170 --> 01:13:11,770
Transparency is not.

1081
01:13:12,010 --> 01:13:13,090
Possible.

1082
01:13:13,170 --> 01:13:17,100
As one council member is complaining that we have not done, however.

1083
01:13:17,250 --> 01:13:18,090
He had.

1084
01:13:18,610 --> 01:13:22,330
An item on the agenda a few weeks ago to vote on that had never been heard.

1085
01:13:22,690 --> 01:13:26,740
Well, as a business item, but anyway I just want to make sure.

1086
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:30,090
That we are not missing the important deadlines.

1087
01:13:30,330 --> 01:13:31,090
Because.

1088
01:13:31,290 --> 01:13:32,890
There are many things.

1089
01:13:32,970 --> 01:13:35,890
That were run on. There are many things that were.

1090
01:13:35,970 --> 01:13:43,210
Many promises that were made to the residents, transparency being only one of them. There are others that we need to address and

1091
01:13:43,210 --> 01:13:50,450
face and this deadline happens to deal with one of them. So that's that was my concern is why the mayor.

1092
01:13:50,690 --> 01:13:51,490
Made mention.

1093
01:13:52,050 --> 01:13:56,090
That we weren't in time constraints and I just wanted to clear that up because I don't want to see us miss any of our deadlines.

1094
01:13:56,090 --> 01:14:00,130
So thank you. There are differing opinions about how applicable.

1095
01:14:00,210 --> 01:14:03,450
All of them are, and that's part of the reason we want to discuss these things.

1096
01:14:05,810 --> 01:14:06,450
So.

1097
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,580
No, I just wanted to echo what Karen said. We ran on transparency. We also ran on.

1098
01:14:12,010 --> 01:14:14,410
Over sort of the RDA we ran on.

1099
01:14:14,610 --> 01:14:16,090
Parking around a lot of things and.

1100
01:14:16,650 --> 01:14:17,250
I feel like.

1101
01:14:17,370 --> 01:14:19,810
The RDA itself, it's taken.

1102
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:21,370
Little longer than.

1103
01:14:21,490 --> 01:14:24,090
I think is appropriate and I think we got to get.

1104
01:14:24,450 --> 01:14:27,410
Around to addressing that again. All of us won.

1105
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:29,450
Well, most of us won.

1106
01:14:29,610 --> 01:14:30,610
On these issues and.

1107
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:32,690
And I think we have to.

1108
01:14:33,370 --> 01:14:35,530
Make necessary changes before we lose power.

1109
01:14:35,890 --> 01:14:37,170
In on May 6.

1110
01:14:37,290 --> 01:14:38,890
So, so and and.

1111
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:40,450
Frankly, this is a.

1112
01:14:40,890 --> 01:14:43,450
You know, the end of the Legislature session was what was it?

1113
01:14:43,530 --> 01:14:48,690
And wasn't very far into February, right? Was it 45 days at, 45 days from?

1114
01:14:49,090 --> 01:14:49,770
From.

1115
01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:51,590
Middle of January.

1116
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:53,570
Middle of January, Is that when I start? Yeah.

1117
01:14:53,890 --> 01:14:56,010
The end of February, so the end of February, right?

1118
01:14:56,130 --> 01:14:59,150
So we had basically March and now here we are, you know, in April. It's it's, you know, yeah, you've been working this for a

1119
01:14:59,150 --> 01:15:02,170
while.

1120
01:15:02,690 --> 01:15:05,850
Since we got a hold of it, which is about two weeks after the Legislature closed.

1121
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:12,530
Daria, before Daria goes, I'd like to oh gosh, you council members, rascals.

1122
01:15:14,490 --> 01:15:16,450
I would like to commend Councilman.

1123
01:15:16,530 --> 01:15:17,810
Luray for.

1124
01:15:17,930 --> 01:15:19,410
Working hard on this.

1125
01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:24,250
The thing that we're talking about right now is a loss of trust.

1126
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,380
That's why I believe we were a little bit.

1127
01:15:27,650 --> 01:15:29,250
Putting these resolutions out.

1128
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:30,840
Vineyard is.

1129
01:15:31,370 --> 01:15:32,730
Struggling with.

1130
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:38,700
A syndrome, and rightfully so.

1131
01:15:39,650 --> 01:15:42,250
The contract for the.

1132
01:15:42,330 --> 01:15:45,690
HID that affected $1 billion was put out.

1133
01:15:45,970 --> 01:15:47,770
With 24 hours notice.

1134
01:15:48,130 --> 01:15:49,940
And it scared the hell out of us.

1135
01:15:51,050 --> 01:15:53,250
The vote and that was done.

1136
01:15:53,370 --> 01:15:57,010
That the legislature without us even understanding that that could happen to our.

1137
01:15:57,730 --> 01:15:58,450
Small.

1138
01:16:00,730 --> 01:16:01,130
City.

1139
01:16:02,060 --> 01:16:03,860
The vote to create the RDA.

1140
01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:05,810
Was a legislation if you go way back.

1141
01:16:05,930 --> 01:16:06,810
With Governor Herbert.

1142
01:16:07,290 --> 01:16:09,370
How it was forced upon us as a city.

1143
01:16:10,010 --> 01:16:11,770
With nobody wanting it to happen.

1144
01:16:12,130 --> 01:16:14,290
And saying you will either dissolve as a city.

1145
01:16:14,690 --> 01:16:15,690
Or you will take those.

1146
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:18,330
It creates less trust.

1147
01:16:19,010 --> 01:16:23,700
The legislation to remove the school district vote in 2021.

1148
01:16:24,250 --> 01:16:26,090
That did not come to this body.

1149
01:16:26,610 --> 01:16:29,890
We found out about it a year after the fact.

1150
01:16:30,250 --> 01:16:33,090
That the largest funding entity in the RDA.

1151
01:16:33,250 --> 01:16:35,370
Was not required to even be notified.

1152
01:16:35,890 --> 01:16:39,420
So there is a lack of trust at the state legislature.

1153
01:16:39,570 --> 01:16:40,890
And in all of those?

1154
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:45,290
I would talk to the League of Cities. The lack of trust at the League of Cities.

1155
01:16:45,530 --> 01:16:46,410
Has been broken.

1156
01:16:46,850 --> 01:16:48,530
When the legislation to remove.

1157
01:16:48,610 --> 01:16:53,930
Power of a newly elected official and going to the League of Cities and saying I'm just elected.

1158
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:56,890
This is going to happen. The league remained silent.

1159
01:16:57,570 --> 01:16:59,530
And so when we go and approach.

1160
01:16:59,610 --> 01:17:00,530
The League.

1161
01:17:01,050 --> 01:17:03,930
Let's make it clear there are now 2 leagues.

1162
01:17:04,330 --> 01:17:06,650
There's a second league and a second opinion and I.

1163
01:17:07,610 --> 01:17:10,460
Wholly recommend and grateful that.

1164
01:17:10,570 --> 01:17:14,210
David Luray is going out and getting a second opinion of a second league now.

1165
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:15,890
It's unfortunate that.

1166
01:17:16,410 --> 01:17:22,530
We say league or the association and there's a misunderstanding of which one David is working with and.

1167
01:17:22,930 --> 01:17:25,490
People use words and they go, oh, you're talking.

1168
01:17:25,610 --> 01:17:27,210
Because there is somebody that.

1169
01:17:27,330 --> 01:17:29,890
Actually believes in municipal rights.

1170
01:17:30,250 --> 01:17:33,450
And in protecting them because for far too long.

1171
01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:36,370
Those cries have gone on deaf ears.

1172
01:17:37,050 --> 01:17:38,330
And so but.

1173
01:17:38,770 --> 01:17:41,530
They still are a league wheat. They still pay us.

1174
01:17:42,210 --> 01:17:48,610
We still pay them to represent us, but I would say they don't represent all of us while they represent everyone and so.

1175
01:17:48,770 --> 01:17:51,090
We can have a differing opinion on the league.

1176
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:54,410
Now, respectfully, I like them and there's a lot of bills.

1177
01:17:54,690 --> 01:17:59,130
But I think we do need to take some time and we want to hear both sides of both the league.

1178
01:17:59,490 --> 01:18:06,450
And of the other association, what are the two leagues? What are the 2. The Utah League of Cities and Towns you see 3.

1179
01:18:06,530 --> 01:18:09,810
And then the UC 3, the Utah coalition of cities and counties.

1180
01:18:10,210 --> 01:18:11,050
And they're both.

1181
01:18:11,410 --> 01:18:13,930
Have diverging opinions on this bill?

1182
01:18:14,130 --> 01:18:17,610
And so I'm great. I'm grateful for David Larae to go out and search out for both.

1183
01:18:18,370 --> 01:18:21,970
I am in his e-mail today. He's like, hey, this is where it's at. I go.

1184
01:18:22,330 --> 01:18:27,730
Great. But where were you in two or three weeks ago when this legislation came passed? Why didn't you come and talk to us?

1185
01:18:27,850 --> 01:18:30,610
When it was before us, why didn't we hear both sides right?

1186
01:18:30,730 --> 01:18:31,610
And so.

1187
01:18:31,930 --> 01:18:35,570
But I'm still willing to go down and sit with them. So I think, I think it's smart, but.

1188
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,220
I will say.

1189
01:18:37,610 --> 01:18:38,740
That I think that.

1190
01:18:38,850 --> 01:18:43,450
We need to use the time and wisely and and find out.

1191
01:18:43,530 --> 01:18:44,890
And I'm and I'll echo.

1192
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:48,210
David Larae, we're not going to go after everything that's already been voted on and.

1193
01:18:48,570 --> 01:18:51,570
Everything that they have contractually done.

1194
01:18:51,730 --> 01:18:52,730
Everything in writing.

1195
01:18:52,810 --> 01:18:55,850
And this I'm going to point out. This involves us working with.

1196
01:18:56,050 --> 01:19:00,210
Anyone who has a contract with the RDA, correct. And there's, there's several developers, not one developer, all of them and

1197
01:19:00,210 --> 01:19:04,370
they're anybody at all.

1198
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:09,490
And the writing wasn't perfect. So I mean, we need to clean up on that. But what I will say, Jake.

1199
01:19:09,650 --> 01:19:14,310
And other council members, we have essentially moved into a discussion about an item that we're going to come back to in a minute.

1200
01:19:14,310 --> 01:19:18,970
No, no, but I please go back to public comment.

1201
01:19:19,170 --> 01:19:19,690
Right. Uh.

1202
01:19:19,810 --> 01:19:24,770
I would just end with we want to get it better and we want to improve everyone, so go ahead.

1203
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:33,750
Thank you for your patience, Dora President. Thank you. Hi, Daria opportunity. You too.

1204
01:19:34,490 --> 01:19:35,770
Make a public comment.

1205
01:19:36,690 --> 01:19:37,330
I would just.

1206
01:19:37,570 --> 01:19:40,330
Personally like to thank Monica in billing.

1207
01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:47,220
Our city staff for her considerate and efficient resolution to an issue that a resident had today.

1208
01:19:47,970 --> 01:19:51,930
Good on her. We do have some. We have great city staff and I just want to.

1209
01:19:52,050 --> 01:19:53,050
Make that known.

1210
01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:57,490
Tonight we have many resolutions tonight on the agenda.

1211
01:19:57,930 --> 01:20:02,170
And I truly hope that each will be a benefit to Vineyard.

1212
01:20:02,330 --> 01:20:05,930
As we continue working through those resolutions in the next.

1213
01:20:06,930 --> 01:20:12,250
Council meeting. I did have a question on 5.2 so I'm glad we're kind of discussing it.

1214
01:20:12,530 --> 01:20:13,090
I was.

1215
01:20:13,170 --> 01:20:16,210
Concern that vested rights previously.

1216
01:20:16,290 --> 01:20:17,130
Acquired.

1217
01:20:17,410 --> 01:20:19,130
Would continue under this.

1218
01:20:19,210 --> 01:20:23,390
Whether they would continue or not under this resolution, and Mr. Larae, David Larae answered that question for me, So I

1219
01:20:23,390 --> 01:20:27,570
appreciate your.

1220
01:20:28,860 --> 01:20:29,820
Tenacity.

1221
01:20:30,050 --> 01:20:31,130
And finding out.

1222
01:20:31,490 --> 01:20:36,490
Appreciate that very much and if you find wording in there that would say otherwise, please let us know so we can fix it.

1223
01:20:37,210 --> 01:20:37,850
Will do.

1224
01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:39,370
OK.

1225
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:41,090
You mentioned about.

1226
01:20:41,170 --> 01:20:42,490
Planning Commission.

1227
01:20:43,230 --> 01:20:44,110
Having a parted.

1228
01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:47,890
Did I hear that correctly correct some of these other?

1229
01:20:49,330 --> 01:20:51,210
I can pull it up real quick.

1230
01:20:51,490 --> 01:20:53,620
The other resolutions that we've continued.

1231
01:20:54,090 --> 01:20:54,850
I think.

1232
01:20:54,970 --> 01:20:56,890
The best practice is to.

1233
01:20:57,290 --> 01:20:59,850
Involve the Planning Commission, have them notice.

1234
01:21:00,010 --> 01:21:03,730
Do their public hearing, do our public hearing and actually go through the.

1235
01:21:03,810 --> 01:21:06,050
Ordinance and code changing processes.

1236
01:21:06,170 --> 01:21:07,210
OK, please let the.

1237
01:21:07,770 --> 01:21:08,730
Planning Commission, No.

1238
01:21:09,730 --> 01:21:11,690
The planning department, thank you. Thank you.

1239
01:21:15,690 --> 01:21:17,410
OK, You want to get started, David? Did you have a?

1240
01:21:17,490 --> 01:21:18,050
Comment.

1241
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:25,860
David Pierce, I'm a resident.

1242
01:21:26,570 --> 01:21:27,850
I have.

1243
01:21:28,290 --> 01:21:31,370
Well let me start off 1st. I have an issue with this I.

1244
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:33,280
I can't find anything.

1245
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,680
In the agendas from previous meetings.

1246
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:37,680
Where?

1247
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,240
Any of these resolutions, particularly the wonder?

1248
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,920
Going to be discussing.

1249
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:44,280
Was brought up.

1250
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,160
At a previous City Council.

1251
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:51,360
So there has not been any work session on this the public.

1252
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,400
Had enough time?

1253
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:56,040
To look at it and to analyze it.

1254
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,760
Right, that's that's what they agreed any.

1255
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,680
Comment from the staff on this.

1256
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,000
And you can say, well, the staff was invited.

1257
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,960
The staff was not directed by the mayor.

1258
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,240
To appear here.

1259
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:11,800
And give the opinion.

1260
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,200
So you are correct I think.

1261
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,000
And I don't believe.

1262
01:22:18,340 --> 01:22:19,020
That.

1263
01:22:22,010 --> 01:22:24,370
Putting this off for a work session.

1264
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,240
Will impact.

1265
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,960
Its implementation.

1266
01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:32,570
By this presumed deadline.

1267
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:33,880
The 6th of May.

1268
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:35,560
So I.

1269
01:22:36,440 --> 01:22:39,000
That's why we pushed it as a citizen.

1270
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:40,360
Would like this.

1271
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:42,680
And all the others to go through a.

1272
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,080
A work session so that the people have enough time.

1273
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:48,560
To look at it.

1274
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:49,640
To analyze it.

1275
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,760
Decide if they like it.

1276
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:53,360
And if they think that to.

1277
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:58,600
Appropriate. Now we can say, well, there are more important things than transparency.

1278
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:00,920
But I think the card said.

1279
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:06,320
Your your little piece of advertisement.

1280
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,000
You're what's the number one item.

1281
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:14,000
Restore true transparency and public trust to both city government and the culture within the city.

1282
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,520
Thank you very much.

1283
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:17,840
I think.

1284
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,760
Putting this in a work session.

1285
01:23:20,550 --> 01:23:23,970
Postponing it for a week is the appropriate thing to do.

1286
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,040
Yeah, I'll also have a comment.

1287
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,680
Or question.

1288
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:33,010
About 400 S.

1289
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:33,680
Yeah.

1290
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,160
If just.

1291
01:23:38,150 --> 01:23:39,330
I am confused.

1292
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,680
From Holdaway Rd.

1293
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:42,440
West, uh.

1294
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:45,040
Would the southern boundary.

1295
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:48,080
The southern curve of the road.

1296
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:49,240
Be the same.

1297
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:50,960
As it is now.

1298
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,240
And it would be the northern side of the curb.

1299
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:55,880
That would change.

1300
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:59,320
Yeah, the North is gonna be my understanding. You're not gonna tear out the South.

1301
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,760
It's all built and beautiful. You have big trees.

1302
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,080
So it's just taking it, it's like.

1303
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:10,570
When when the it's two different councils and one council said we're going to do 66 and the other said 75.

1304
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:11,360
And then?

1305
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:15,580
When they did 75, they go, we're going to go and tear out and make everyone do 75 and it's like, are you guys going to, I'm sorry,

1306
01:24:15,580 --> 01:24:19,680
what do you mean by everyone?

1307
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,960
Everyone on that, the people who the people that live on that entire block from.

1308
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:26,440
From 400 S.

1309
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:27,000
From.

1310
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:31,040
From the Lakeside Sports Complex to hold away to hold away.

1311
01:24:31,770 --> 01:24:34,410
It's in there if we're going to do 75 and we're going to.

1312
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,570
Acquire all of that property.

1313
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:41,960
So that it's consistent, right? So it's not consistent throughout that whole right of way.

1314
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:43,040
So.

1315
01:24:44,730 --> 01:24:46,810
If I understand what's being.

1316
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:48,920
Proposed or an alternate?

1317
01:24:50,060 --> 01:24:51,770
So the northern border.

1318
01:24:52,890 --> 01:24:56,210
On the east side of Holdaway Rd.

1319
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,600
Would be different than the northern border.

1320
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:00,920
If we didn't change it.

1321
01:25:01,240 --> 01:25:04,200
If your proposal.

1322
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:05,960
Is to change it.

1323
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,240
So the northern borders.

1324
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,600
On one side of Holdaway Rd. would not line up.

1325
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,920
Not all alike the northern border.

1326
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:19,280
On the West side, I think this aligns confusion.

1327
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:23,340
I think the proposal that was discussed today would make both sides aligned, either the West and the East. N says we're going to

1328
01:25:23,340 --> 01:25:27,320
stay at the 66.

1329
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:31,240
And it'll all align or we're going to go to the 75 or you know.

1330
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:35,840
And it'll all align. But which one are you doing? And if and if you're going to go and do?

1331
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,160
Eminent domain.

1332
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:39,840
To acquire this to go to 75.

1333
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:41,560
How are you not?

1334
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:45,960
Going to go and do eminent domain on the other to get that. Just Jake.

1335
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:50,920
He'll draw a map for you and I can walk you. Sorry, we didn't have the PowerPoint, but it's like, I'm sorry, but it's like you

1336
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:55,680
have two consistency plans for two different councils.

1337
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,480
And so I'm glad my dad came and pointed that out just like, hey.

1338
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,280
OK, so because I have.

1339
01:26:03,710 --> 01:26:07,950
Oh, and if you go to 75, you've got a.

1340
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:10,120
Finish what? That is because.

1341
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:11,600
There's not a.

1342
01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:16,730
Well, I apologize because I had this.

1343
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:19,600
The platform for.

1344
01:26:23,460 --> 01:26:25,050
The other one I do have it.

1345
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:27,800
I don't know where it is so you can show me.

1346
01:26:29,260 --> 01:26:31,140
Now I can meet with you after on the side.

1347
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,000
It's just I'm sorry.

1348
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:38,080
I can meet with you and walk you through and show you on the map where the and I can get Nasim.

1349
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:40,560
I appreciate that it's just.

1350
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:42,640
Let's do the same on both sides.

1351
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,080
And whichever it is, that's.

1352
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,960
That's as a citizen what I would prefer, right?

1353
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:51,850
I do have.

1354
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:54,040
Another point with that.

1355
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,080
It deals.

1356
01:26:57,160 --> 01:26:57,800
With uh.

1357
01:26:58,950 --> 01:27:01,930
Don't know, I won't make that point tonight.

1358
01:27:02,440 --> 01:27:07,280
But those are my two cents. Thank you. Thanks, Mr. Pierce.

1359
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:09,680
Any other public comment tonight?

1360
01:27:11,300 --> 01:27:11,940
Yeah, Pete.

1361
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:16,800
Pete Evans.

1362
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,290
So just a point of clarification and.

1363
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,040
Because I honestly don't know.

1364
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,600
Under public comment it says these are for items not on the agenda. Sorry recorder, didn't know your name. I was telling her I

1365
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,040
wasn't trying to catch off sorry.

1366
01:27:29,140 --> 01:27:32,290
You can call me Steve. Most people when they hear Pete say hi, Steve.

1367
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:33,320
Yeah.

1368
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:42,360
So in the public comment, it says that they're set aside for citizens to express their views on items not on the agenda.

1369
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,840
These items are all on the agenda. Is now the time to?

1370
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,240
Talk about the agenda items or are you going to go through the agenda item?

1371
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,600
And then open it up for public comment before the resolution. I'll do both.

1372
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,840
OK, I'm pretty lazy. Fair when it comes to getting public comment.

1373
01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,800
I want all of the feedback we can get.

1374
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:00,840
Let us have it.

1375
01:28:01,950 --> 01:28:04,130
Great. If you would like to share now before we.

1376
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:05,160
Discuss any of that.

1377
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:09,360
You're welcome to or we'll discuss it and then open up public comment great. So just.

1378
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:13,480
Briefly and then and then if we open it back up.

1379
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:15,400
I'd be happy to.

1380
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,240
Respond to some of the things that is discussed in the.

1381
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:20,840
In the resolution.

1382
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:22,720
Discussion.

1383
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:23,360
But.

1384
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:25,090
You know the the.

1385
01:28:26,410 --> 01:28:30,770
A couple of things concern me right off the bat on the six resolutions.

1386
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:35,680
And for City Council, the 1st is on the first page, which is a strategic note.

1387
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:41,200
And this is actually contrary to what it says in the beginning, which says these are countermeasures.

1388
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:46,000
For the state statute, SB-284. So each of those are a countermeasure.

1389
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:48,640
Which is trying to counteract the measure.

1390
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:50,200
Of the state statute.

1391
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:51,950
It says.

1392
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:53,640
That these.

1393
01:28:54,900 --> 01:28:58,370
Are to preserve vineyards maximum negotiating authority?

1394
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,960
Over all, large scale development, including Utah City.

1395
01:29:04,050 --> 01:29:04,650
So.

1396
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:06,200
It feels very targeted.

1397
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,560
We removed that and the we're working on one. It's already been removed.

1398
01:29:11,850 --> 01:29:14,010
That actually hasn't been renewed.

1399
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,280
Well, it has been removed. The copy we're working from here. And you're right, the public, the one that was attached to the

1400
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,400
agenda.

1401
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:21,920
Yesterday.

1402
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,760
Didn't have that removed. It was intended that those resolutions would be exerted from that file and used because those are the

1403
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,360
only things we are.

1404
01:29:29,480 --> 01:29:30,480
Paying attention to.

1405
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,440
We recognize that the that.

1406
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,240
Those comments are inappropriate.

1407
01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:38,400
And we apologize for that. We're not trying to target anyone.

1408
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,240
In an effort here, we're not. Yeah.

1409
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:45,000
Granted that we receive some help in editing these at one point from someone who who?

1410
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,240
Probably was, but we recognize that that's a.

1411
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:53,760
You know, that's a problem and should be there. Appreciate you being honest about that. Well, and also been an effort to be more

1412
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:59,000
transparent. It's better just to throw it out and get hundreds of people to see it and go, hey, this is the current resolution.

1413
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:00,560
By law, we don't even have to.

1414
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,280
Post the.

1415
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:07,530
Actual attachment, previous councils, you remember, we were so angry, like we're not getting anything.

1416
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,760
And we were like, let's just post what we're currently at.

1417
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:15,320
It might change or adjust, and so Robin's asked us for attachments.

1418
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:17,240
OK, let's just post what we're up.

1419
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,480
I think the more succinct way to say that was.

1420
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:26,360
He threw, we put a rough draft or something that was not complete out and it was not.

1421
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:28,240
Properly vetted and done, and that's.

1422
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:30,240
Our collective mistake.

1423
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,760
So is it safe to assume?

1424
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,320
Just I don't want to put words in.

1425
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:41,760
Restate what I think you're saying is that what's been posted for a public review is a rough draft and not.

1426
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:43,650
Yeah, not ready for.

1427
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,040
Correct. And then there's no intent to vote on anything tonight.

1428
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:53,320
As we've vetted this and I've tried to work very extensively with legal now and and.

1429
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,200
Try and build some consensus and talk to all of the council members.

1430
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,520
We are identifying where these issues were.

1431
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:00,840
Coming from.

1432
01:31:00,920 --> 01:31:01,760
We've kind of.

1433
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,120
Severed that we're working to make all of these corrections.

1434
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:10,000
I definitely am sympathetic and understand the frustration.

1435
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:12,800
It was inappropriate for.

1436
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,400
Something to be posted like that because it does read as a target.

1437
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:19,520
And I don't think that that is the Council's intent.

1438
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:20,770
I think.

1439
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:21,800
Largely.

1440
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:28,600
The goal here with these resolutions and again, we're only going to talk about the one tonight and move the rest to next week.

1441
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:30,840
Is largely to just make sure that.

1442
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,720
The council and RDA board.

1443
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:41,040
Maintains any oversight authority that they can or should maintain to represent the public. It's not a.

1444
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:48,840
Attack in my perception, I would. I would also. I absolutely agree with that. Not not.

1445
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:50,560
Yeah, tended to be an attack and.

1446
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:56,080
In fact, I want to say that we very much appreciate the work that's been done out there that you're doing at Utah City well.

1447
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:57,480
I would also say that.

1448
01:31:58,040 --> 01:31:59,320
The confusion of your name.

1449
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:01,680
Utah City actually thought that the.

1450
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:03,640
They thought you were a city.

1451
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:08,880
So it includes you thought we were a city because it's included in large scale development.

1452
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,200
Yeah, well.

1453
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:14,280
They don't know there's lots of people that touch this document. No, that's my main question too. We're always disingenuous.

1454
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:18,200
That's not true.

1455
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,880
That can't be hundreds of people. No, no, no, no, I'm not. I'm not saying that that's not true. I'm saying a lot of people, what

1456
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:28,760
this says on its face, they couldn't have thought, oh.

1457
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:34,440
We're sending this to a city called Utah City as part of our coalition. That's not true.

1458
01:32:35,270 --> 01:32:39,250
Correct. I think there's a confusion here. The issue that Jake is saying is that.

1459
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:40,400
A lot of.

1460
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:43,000
The collection of information there.

1461
01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:47,320
I think came from residents and people who supported right various members of this.

1462
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,440
Council in their campaigns and that was not.

1463
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:51,440
Properly.

1464
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:52,640
Vetted or.

1465
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:53,960
Thoroughly.

1466
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:56,280
Parsed through.

1467
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:57,280
And so.

1468
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,400
What you're seeing is.

1469
01:32:59,480 --> 01:33:00,320
A collection of.

1470
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:01,600
Citizen feedback.

1471
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:05,240
So the the City Council did not draft, no one on the City Council drafted these resolutions. There was quite a few. I believe

1472
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,760
there was involvement.

1473
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:10,440
I certainly did not.

1474
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:11,000
Yeah, yeah.

1475
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:16,540
I mean, I, I had AI did some editing on at one point and it went somewhere else and got more, more editing and so forth. It's

1476
01:33:16,540 --> 01:33:20,840
gone. It's made the rounds. Didn't you send it to Jesse?

1477
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:25,080
But this is also and yes, our legal reviewed it and he also identified, you know that.

1478
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:26,120
These changes need to.

1479
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:26,960
To be made.

1480
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,560
In my conversations with him over the last two days.

1481
01:33:30,650 --> 01:33:31,810
The point being.

1482
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:34,400
I wholly recognize that this.

1483
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:38,140
Document that was attached to the agenda should not have been attached to the agenda and wasn't ready to be attached to the

1484
01:33:38,140 --> 01:33:41,640
agenda. I think that there was.

1485
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,360
A lot of resident fear.

1486
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:47,200
About this May 6 deadline and what SBB?

1487
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:50,200
284 is and isn't.

1488
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:55,440
And I don't think that there was good understanding of that. And that panicked a lot of people and out of the constituent panic.

1489
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,760
I think there was council panic and that.

1490
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:04,107
Pushed this faster than it needed to be pushed. I'm just going to call the spade a spade there. And I don't mean to offend anybody

1491
01:34:04,107 --> 01:34:10,174
in the room. Yeah, it was. That sounds logic. I would point a question, though, Pete, you recognize that you want us to have

1492
01:34:10,174 --> 01:34:16,241
authority as a governing entity Still, you're not. Your goal is not to remove future authority, is it?

1493
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:17,800
What do you mean by that?

1494
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,460
Well, when we read through the legislation, it looks like if it's not written, we don't write it out, that we retain it, that we

1495
01:34:21,460 --> 01:34:24,680
would lose it.

1496
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:26,440
So I wanted to know your.

1497
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:30,680
You support us in having, yeah, I mean oversight. Have you read through SP?

1498
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,280
284 Yeah. And there were opinions of it that it would.

1499
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:38,720
Minimize or restrict that. So that's my question. Well, the big, the big.

1500
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:43,720
I mean I I read it, I don't think that's what it says at all. If I can opine based on my reading.

1501
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:44,960
Since.

1502
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:48,090
I mean, we're having the discussion anyways. Did anyone else have public comment?

1503
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:50,160
OK, we're just kind of rolling now.

1504
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,400
That's good enough, right Robin? Just teasing, yeah.

1505
01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:57,680
My understanding of it was largely that.

1506
01:34:59,410 --> 01:35:01,010
If you don't have.

1507
01:35:01,790 --> 01:35:03,170
Very robust.

1508
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:05,330
Definitions.

1509
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:06,680
Code ordinance.

1510
01:35:07,570 --> 01:35:10,690
You're required then by law through SB 284.

1511
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:12,210
To always.

1512
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:12,960
Default.

1513
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:14,600
To an applicant.

1514
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:16,560
If there's an appeal process.

1515
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:18,960
You default to what they've.

1516
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,240
In their favor. And that was our understanding, yes.

1517
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:24,200
That is how I understand 284.

1518
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:25,280
Yeah, same here.

1519
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:26,850
And so the.

1520
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:32,640
Purpose of these resolutions largely as we move forward is to make sure that we have a very clear and robust.

1521
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,320
Process and definitions.

1522
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:37,280
In place so that.

1523
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,040
There isn't ambiguity.

1524
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:41,160
Because if there is ambiguity.

1525
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:43,560
We lose the appeal authority.

1526
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:47,080
Due to SB-284, yeah, I think that's largely.

1527
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,080
I mean, again, I'm not. I don't, I'm not.

1528
01:35:50,440 --> 01:35:53,920
Qualified to issue a legal opinion on it? That's for your city attorney.

1529
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:54,920
But I think.

1530
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,080
You know as you read SB 284.

1531
01:35:57,440 --> 01:35:59,120
A lot of what it's saying is that.

1532
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:01,890
It's codifying what's always been in.

1533
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:03,800
Utah case law, which is.

1534
01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:05,920
When someone makes an application.

1535
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,520
A complete application.

1536
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,480
Then they get treated under the rules.

1537
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,160
Under which that application was made right and that.

1538
01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:18,200
That goes to the purpose of that is so for example in another municipality.

1539
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,440
We made an application.

1540
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,200
For subdivision.

1541
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,400
The City Council literally said.

1542
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:26,480
Oh, we don't like this because we don't like.

1543
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:27,720
Those lot sizes.

1544
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:28,760
We said well.

1545
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,520
We're just going off of your code.

1546
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:32,000
And they said, oh, we didn't.

1547
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,450
We didn't know those were in our code.

1548
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:35,440
And they denied our application.

1549
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:38,840
And then change their code to eliminate those lot sizes.

1550
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,960
And then said, well, you're welcome to resubmit.

1551
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:42,440
Your subdivision.

1552
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:43,280
And so.

1553
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:48,240
That's the kind of thing that SB 284 is trying to avoid is by saying.

1554
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:49,880
Whatever, whatever the.

1555
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:54,160
Statutory construct is the zoning construct at the time.

1556
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:56,160
You submit a complete application.

1557
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:59,840
Those are the rules that you get judged by with your application.

1558
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,640
And I think the intent of your.

1559
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,120
Your resolution is to say.

1560
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:06,800
If that's the case.

1561
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:11,280
Then let's more clearly define what constitutes a complete application.

1562
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:14,520
Correct. Let's make sure that we're lining all of those out.

1563
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:15,720
Exactly right.

1564
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:17,440
Yes, I don't.

1565
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:18,760
I personally don't.

1566
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,440
Have any problem with that? I think that's your right.

1567
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:23,320
To be able to define those things.

1568
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:24,920
What? What I'm?

1569
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:26,770
More worried about IS.

1570
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,560
What Councilman Larae said at the beginning of There are.

1571
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,400
All of these developments already in the city.

1572
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:36,240
That have these vested entitlements.

1573
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:38,440
That this wouldn't apply to.

1574
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:39,080
And I.

1575
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:41,720
I'm struggling to think of any.

1576
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,320
Property over 5 acres that would meet these definitions.

1577
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,840
Of this resolution that this would even apply to.

1578
01:37:48,830 --> 01:37:51,610
Well, then it doesn't apply. It doesn't. It's no harm, no foul then, right?

1579
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:53,240
So who cares?

1580
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:57,120
When we well, I care because it specifically says.

1581
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,560
So that we can retain maximum leverage over Utah City.

1582
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,970
That's why that's why I care is because you're saying.

1583
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:07,565
Hey, this doesn't apply to you, so why do you care? No, it applies to everyone equally. I mean, we've already established that

1584
01:38:07,565 --> 01:38:11,010
your name shouldn't have been.

1585
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,480
Applied. No. No, I agree it shouldn't have been applied.

1586
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,240
But I'm just saying it is in there.

1587
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:20,930
Saying, hey, this is specifically so we can have leverage over that project.

1588
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:26,240
Right. But I mean, let's go back to the school district, Bill, what you guys ran or it was run?

1589
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:31,480
To remove the school district and we describe it as a 1200 acre RDA.

1590
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:36,760
It's not named, but the only entity written in the entire legislation that it applies to is you.

1591
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:37,960
Right.

1592
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,120
So and you weren't named in the bill?

1593
01:38:41,200 --> 01:38:43,760
But it's literally the school, I mean the state.

1594
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:45,560
Auditor even came out and said.

1595
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:47,360
This only applies.

1596
01:38:47,480 --> 01:38:52,200
After reading the bill, there's not an RDA. So you're saying all of these resolutions were for us, you just No, no, that's not

1597
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:56,920
what we're saying. No, that's what we're saying you're implying here. I read it. I read it in that implication to make sure it

1598
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:01,640
applies to everyone and them. That's how I read that.

1599
01:39:01,880 --> 01:39:02,960
It was a quick draft.

1600
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,520
He's already agreed that we should improve upon that.

1601
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,880
But my question you didn't answer the question.

1602
01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:09,320
We recognize.

1603
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:14,760
We didn't answer. We were not here to remove any rights that you currently have.

1604
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:18,280
Right, we agree that anything that you were given in previous councils.

1605
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,780
But you didn't answer. You recognize our future, right to have authority as a governing body, right? That's what we're trying to

1606
01:39:22,780 --> 01:39:26,680
establish.

1607
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,050
So it will will improve this.

1608
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:36,000
Yeah, we just don't want that. Absolutely, absolutely do. But I also think that you ought to think about.

1609
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:41,320
How you create the flexibility to govern in the future that you want to, instead of pigeonholing yourself so tightly into

1610
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:46,560
something that eliminates the flexibility that you want to have in the future.

1611
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:47,970
To do some of those things.

1612
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:51,460
Yeah, because to answer your question, please say your name for the recorder. She doesn't know you. Good to be with you tonight.

1613
01:39:51,460 --> 01:39:54,720
Thanks for having us.

1614
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,480
Obviously, you know, we saw this yesterday.

1615
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:02,000
This is the first time we've seen it. We're responding quickly. It was very.

1616
01:40:02,770 --> 01:40:07,530
We've gone through all that. We don't need to rehash that in response to your comment on the school district.

1617
01:40:08,280 --> 01:40:09,360
There's been a lot of.

1618
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:15,800
Frankly, defamatory comments made about the negotiations that occurred between us and the school district.

1619
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:19,720
And to say that we didn't approach the school district or have discussions with the school district, does that all went along. Can

1620
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:23,280
you disclose who those are?

1621
01:40:23,400 --> 01:40:24,800
It was with Rob Smith.

1622
01:40:25,200 --> 01:40:28,960
So why hasn't when, when, when the that happened originally? I mean, we didn't form the RDA. We weren't here. So let me finish.

1623
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:32,720
Let me finish, please.

1624
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,920
Jake, let me go. Can you ask the question? I'm gonna respond to you.

1625
01:40:37,090 --> 01:40:38,850
People continue to say.

1626
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,050
That there was number negotiations with the school district.

1627
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,080
There is a mechanism built into the RDA.

1628
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:47,760
A school district mitigation payment.

1629
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:53,280
Are you aware of this and how that whole mechanism works? Yeah. Would you explain it for the public? So, Jake, I'll let you, I'll

1630
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:58,720
let you explain it. You probably know it better than I do. It's basically there's a minimum amount of how much we, the school

1631
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:04,160
district gets back. And when they didn't get much, they adjusted it to make sure it covers their bases.

1632
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:07,210
So they were concerned that they'd come down here.

1633
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:08,600
Build a lot of housing.

1634
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:10,600
Not have commercial development occur.

1635
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,720
And not be able to pay for the students that are going to school.

1636
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:18,400
Which is literally the message that people continue pointing out saying oh this isn't happening.

1637
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:19,640
What's happened though?

1638
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:21,400
Contrary to.

1639
01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:25,980
The belief of everybody is that what the school district negotiated as a part of this with the state Prius, that wasn't us. So

1640
01:41:25,980 --> 01:41:30,440
let's be clear that this was all pre us.

1641
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,640
We've spent hundreds of millions of dollars buying this property.

1642
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:35,240
Because there was an.

1643
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:36,560
Because.

1644
01:41:36,920 --> 01:41:41,240
The $170 million that we have currently right now this second.

1645
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,360
In the cleanup, an environmental.

1646
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,000
Environmental Cleanup.

1647
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:49,120
Between US and other private parties and all the infrastructure that's gone in.

1648
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,360
Only has gone in because of the RDA.

1649
01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:55,080
Had it not been for the RDA?

1650
01:41:55,390 --> 01:41:59,215
They're beat. I mean, almost everyone that's here tonight wouldn't be here tonight because almost everyone in this room is here

1651
01:41:59,215 --> 01:42:03,040
because the RDA existed.

1652
01:42:03,150 --> 01:42:08,630
And built a lot of the roads coming in here and pioneered the thirty, $40 million of infrastructure that went in, which was us.

1653
01:42:08,990 --> 01:42:10,670
And we did that. We felt like we've.

1654
01:42:12,170 --> 01:42:14,360
We might be the big bad developers.

1655
01:42:14,430 --> 01:42:15,030
You know.

1656
01:42:15,110 --> 01:42:16,470
But when you actually.

1657
01:42:16,590 --> 01:42:20,590
Look at our track record in Vineyard. We really do care about this place.

1658
01:42:20,990 --> 01:42:26,590
The thing that's been the saddest thing to me, to see what's happened and transpired in the city over the last five years.

1659
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:29,550
Is the contention that started to occur here.

1660
01:42:29,790 --> 01:42:31,870
And I'm not trying to take sides. We've stayed comple.

1661
01:42:31,950 --> 01:42:33,270
Wheatley out of politics?

1662
01:42:33,630 --> 01:42:35,710
We haven't got involved in politics.

1663
01:42:36,270 --> 01:42:38,710
But at some point.

1664
01:42:39,110 --> 01:42:44,150
When I continue to hear and see the defamatory things talked about specifically with the school district.

1665
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:46,840
No one talked to the school district. That's not true.

1666
01:42:47,230 --> 01:42:48,510
There's no meetings.

1667
01:42:48,630 --> 01:42:54,470
There's no text message, so why e-mail? So if there was no entire gram, why did they negotiate?

1668
01:42:54,550 --> 01:42:56,350
Why did they negotiate the mitigation pay?

1669
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:59,750
Where did that contract come from? Do you think the developers?

1670
01:42:59,870 --> 01:43:01,470
And the state came up with that.

1671
01:43:02,150 --> 01:43:06,750
Where's the documents that you don't know? Figure it out. There's already been a grandma and there's no.

1672
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:12,150
Because the trail, but they because they they were there involved in all the meetings that created that.

1673
01:43:12,510 --> 01:43:18,070
And there's been enough commercial development that has occurred here so that mitigation payment has not reported back to us. The

1674
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:23,630
RDA board, you've never know paperwork showing that it happens 20 years ago.

1675
01:43:24,110 --> 01:43:25,870
But anyways, I'm going to move past this point.

1676
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:31,760
I should have brought this point up before and I've let things go with public comments and now.

1677
01:43:32,030 --> 01:43:37,430
Please address everything to me as the mayor Pro Tem, Jake. Same goes for the council. Thank you.

1678
01:43:38,030 --> 01:43:40,470
So when this stuff comes out.

1679
01:43:40,590 --> 01:43:46,110
And the concern in the document, especially the way it's drafted in the attacking nature of Utah City.

1680
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:50,710
Is that it's not just saying that you have the power to negotiate future contracts?

1681
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:52,950
It's saying before any payments are made.

1682
01:43:53,070 --> 01:43:54,070
We're currently out.

1683
01:43:54,150 --> 01:43:54,910
This second.

1684
01:43:55,110 --> 01:43:58,295
Six and a half million dollars of RDA funds over the last few months, in the last couple of years that we've submitted invoices

1685
01:43:58,295 --> 01:44:01,480
for.

1686
01:44:01,630 --> 01:44:03,030
That we have contracts for.

1687
01:44:03,150 --> 01:44:04,710
We've turned invoices in for.

1688
01:44:05,070 --> 01:44:06,110
That you've actually.

1689
01:44:06,190 --> 01:44:11,070
Received property tax payments from the county for that you're contractually obligated to give back to us.

1690
01:44:11,190 --> 01:44:12,790
For those dollars that we've spent.

1691
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:15,630
That go towards that $170 million bucket.

1692
01:44:16,030 --> 01:44:17,120
And we don't have those.

1693
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:21,610
And I said a few months ago, we're being patient because we're saying it's a new council. You're getting your arms around this

1694
01:44:21,610 --> 01:44:25,470
stuff. We're being what we believe to be patient here.

1695
01:44:25,550 --> 01:44:27,680
I don't think there's a lot of developers in this state.

1696
01:44:27,790 --> 01:44:32,350
That would just continue floating this and not start filing lawsuits and doing some of these other things.

1697
01:44:32,630 --> 01:44:33,550
And so.

1698
01:44:33,630 --> 01:44:37,630
That's not to say we're going to do that now, but these are things we've got to sit down.

1699
01:44:38,150 --> 01:44:40,070
Look at the agreements that exist.

1700
01:44:40,710 --> 01:44:41,630
And I think.

1701
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:42,710
I think.

1702
01:44:43,310 --> 01:44:47,680
It's it's unfair of the city right now.

1703
01:44:48,190 --> 01:44:53,030
To just not be abiding by the current agreements that they have, and that's currently what's occurring.

1704
01:44:53,510 --> 01:44:58,590
And I'm OK if you want to. We've even said if you want to change some of the process in this moving forward.

1705
01:44:59,230 --> 01:45:01,630
Let's talk about what those changes might look like.

1706
01:45:01,710 --> 01:45:03,550
If it's similar to bidding and.

1707
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:09,190
Processing and you know, if you're saying we have to come in and do a new economic study or a new study every time you owe us for

1708
01:45:09,190 --> 01:45:14,630
something that we've already contractually agreed to and we've paid for, that's not going to happen. That's.

1709
01:45:15,110 --> 01:45:19,440
And I, and I think what you're all saying is that's not what this is for. I also think.

1710
01:45:20,150 --> 01:45:23,030
Let's say somebody in the city comes to you right now.

1711
01:45:23,510 --> 01:45:25,230
And says here's some tenant.

1712
01:45:25,990 --> 01:45:27,790
It's a huge sales taxpayer.

1713
01:45:28,510 --> 01:45:32,030
We want some already. They want some RDA dollars to come here.

1714
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,760
You all 5 immediately say well wait a second, we can trade $1,000,000 of RDA dollars for three or $4 million annually of sales tax

1715
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:40,720
revenue.

1716
01:45:40,910 --> 01:45:43,510
It's a no brainer. All 5 of you say yeah, let's do that.

1717
01:45:43,790 --> 01:45:45,270
That's something we should do right now.

1718
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:47,670
You pass what you're passing tonight.

1719
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:48,950
And you can't do that.

1720
01:45:49,730 --> 01:45:51,520
Can I ask did you understand?

1721
01:45:51,670 --> 01:45:53,270
The resolutions because I worked.

1722
01:45:53,670 --> 01:45:56,550
Very extensively with our legal representation the last two days.

1723
01:45:57,270 --> 01:45:58,630
To my understanding.

1724
01:45:58,710 --> 01:46:02,290
None of this is retroactive or would influence any of the agreements, but that's what I'm talking about. This would be something

1725
01:46:02,290 --> 01:46:05,870
new coming in.

1726
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:09,230
And so the question to you all, I think is so if you're doing this.

1727
01:46:09,350 --> 01:46:12,310
And before you're going to lose power and you're nervous about the next group coming in and you want to do and put some process in

1728
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:15,270
place.

1729
01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:16,470
I think.

1730
01:46:16,630 --> 01:46:19,870
You can ask anyone that comes in with a new RDA application.

1731
01:46:20,550 --> 01:46:23,950
It's all discretionary what you guys decide to do anyway.

1732
01:46:24,350 --> 01:46:25,550
So we're looking at this.

1733
01:46:25,950 --> 01:46:29,275
And it's kind of both sides because Jake, I hear what you're saying is like, why are you guys nervous about this? It doesn't apply

1734
01:46:29,275 --> 01:46:32,600
to you. And we're saying, well, why are you doing this if.

1735
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:37,750
You already have the discretion to do this anyway if somebody comes in with an RDA application and.

1736
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:39,750
Jacob finally talks the big.

1737
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:43,075
Concert venue that he's talked about coming to town and he gets them and they need a little bit of money and they'll build you a

1738
01:46:43,075 --> 01:46:46,320
$200 million concert venue.

1739
01:46:47,070 --> 01:46:48,590
And they're ready to go and.

1740
01:46:48,710 --> 01:46:53,430
Now all of a sudden you've layered in a bunch of additional processes that you guys don't want to do.

1741
01:46:53,670 --> 01:46:54,790
But you have to do.

1742
01:46:54,830 --> 01:46:58,230
You know, I think that's another thing to consider. I'm not saying obviously we're just getting this. We're digesting this. You

1743
01:46:58,230 --> 01:47:01,630
guys are all getting this, You're digesting this. And so there's going to be some back and forth. Our attorneys are looking at

1744
01:47:01,630 --> 01:47:05,030
this, I'm sure.

1745
01:47:05,150 --> 01:47:06,710
Your attorneys are looking at this and.

1746
01:47:07,150 --> 01:47:10,590
I think that's all I have to say. I also I just.

1747
01:47:11,070 --> 01:47:12,590
My last comment will be.

1748
01:47:14,420 --> 01:47:18,840
I just hope we can all work together. I would hope that you guys can come up with.

1749
01:47:19,190 --> 01:47:22,690
I've heard from every single one of you except Jake. Jake, we've never talked. We've talked to the rest of you on the East Side.

1750
01:47:22,690 --> 01:47:26,190
It's been a big consensus from what we've heard.

1751
01:47:26,350 --> 01:47:28,630
We would like the east side to get cleaned up faster.

1752
01:47:29,310 --> 01:47:34,800
We went back to our group. We're starting to spend millions of dollars more additional to clean up the east side faster.

1753
01:47:35,570 --> 01:47:38,000
But then we're sitting here scratching our heads saying well.

1754
01:47:38,670 --> 01:47:44,030
If we're doing this faster and we're and you're getting these dollars, it's not like these dollars aren't.

1755
01:47:44,150 --> 01:47:48,110
In your account, like there's going to be some processes moving forward, we're going to have to be expending things like we always

1756
01:47:48,110 --> 01:47:52,070
do out ahead of things before tax increments created.

1757
01:47:52,630 --> 01:47:57,480
But we just want you to know we're here. We're willing to sit down, we're willing to work through things.

1758
01:47:57,630 --> 01:48:01,770
We do think it's important to start bringing some economic, more economic engines. You know, Jake, you had mentioned this is all

1759
01:48:01,770 --> 01:48:05,910
big failed experiment because we don't have anchors.

1760
01:48:06,430 --> 01:48:09,550
I think there are some anchors. I think there should be some additional anchors and that should be a priority. I think we should

1761
01:48:09,550 --> 01:48:12,670
all focus on that.

1762
01:48:12,750 --> 01:48:15,550
The real way to lower property taxes in the city.

1763
01:48:16,230 --> 01:48:17,950
Is going to be generating.

1764
01:48:18,190 --> 01:48:20,910
Millions and 10s of millions of dollars of sales tax.

1765
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:23,230
That is the way for you guys to.

1766
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:26,730
To be able to pay for everything else that you're doing and be able to lower the property taxes for everybody else, you can cut

1767
01:48:26,730 --> 01:48:29,870
all the staff which you've done.

1768
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:34,750
There's only so much you can cut out of the cost side of things and sometimes the revenue side.

1769
01:48:34,830 --> 01:48:36,790
Has to be another big component of this so.

1770
01:48:36,910 --> 01:48:40,455
That's the last thing I'll say. And we're willing and happy to meet with any of you individually. We're happy to do this in a

1771
01:48:40,455 --> 01:48:44,000
public setting. We don't ever want to have this be.

1772
01:48:45,210 --> 01:48:47,200
You know, in closed doors and.

1773
01:48:47,390 --> 01:48:52,190
Like all the discussions we've always had with everyone, we're happy to have them in public and.

1774
01:48:52,510 --> 01:48:53,990
Whoever wants to attend is welcome.

1775
01:48:54,350 --> 01:48:54,990
Thanks, Nate.

1776
01:48:55,070 --> 01:48:56,790
Thanks and.

1777
01:48:57,070 --> 01:48:57,510
Sure.

1778
01:48:57,870 --> 01:48:58,470
And so.

1779
01:48:59,190 --> 01:49:01,430
Can we check with made assistant to the?

1780
01:49:01,510 --> 01:49:02,590
Mayor, Mr.

1781
01:49:03,110 --> 01:49:04,310
David Kyle, we would.

1782
01:49:04,590 --> 01:49:07,070
To find out if we have that, if we really.

1783
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:09,070
Have invoices to.

1784
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:10,990
Six and a half million dollars.

1785
01:49:11,110 --> 01:49:12,590
That Nate was speaking about.

1786
01:49:12,750 --> 01:49:15,710
Do we really have that here? Do we, do we know about it? Are we? That also might be a better question for our RDA Director and we

1787
01:49:15,710 --> 01:49:18,670
can.

1788
01:49:18,750 --> 01:49:20,910
Gavel in as the RDA at the end of the meeting.

1789
01:49:21,070 --> 01:49:22,110
OK, OK.

1790
01:49:22,830 --> 01:49:24,470
Thank you. I mean, I keep on.

1791
01:49:24,710 --> 01:49:29,710
Point of order just as an olive branch. Is it a point of order? Yeah. OK. I want to make sure there's an olive branch because I

1792
01:49:29,710 --> 01:49:34,710
could, I could understand. And listening to Nate about how he could feel like it was attacked on like.

1793
01:49:34,830 --> 01:49:38,390
Old scale. I mean, I felt attacked when I saw the bill. I'm like.

1794
01:49:38,590 --> 01:49:41,760
I don't want to lose any more authority in the future.

1795
01:49:41,870 --> 01:49:43,390
But I I can agree like.

1796
01:49:43,470 --> 01:49:45,070
The rough draft could.

1797
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:47,830
Be viewed as.

1798
01:49:48,510 --> 01:49:51,710
Hey, we're going to go and rehash the past on on.

1799
01:49:52,030 --> 01:49:55,290
On contracts that were there. So that that's a point we'll take in. And I think as a council, if we just agree that we're going to

1800
01:49:55,290 --> 01:49:58,550
include Nate.

1801
01:49:58,630 --> 01:50:01,430
In the draft and hey, this is where we're at.

1802
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:03,950
Because he should look at it. I believe both.

1803
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:07,670
Leagues of cities and towns should look at the draft and give.

1804
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:09,270
Of good feedback as well.

1805
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:10,950
I think.

1806
01:50:11,150 --> 01:50:12,470
You know both of those.

1807
01:50:12,750 --> 01:50:14,320
But the last thing is is.

1808
01:50:14,430 --> 01:50:18,190
I think, I think we want all both sides want to establish trust.

1809
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:19,310
Like.

1810
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:22,230
I it's it's hard.

1811
01:50:22,350 --> 01:50:25,230
You know, we looked into the school district on.

1812
01:50:25,590 --> 01:50:26,630
You know Rob Smith.

1813
01:50:26,990 --> 01:50:27,790
And we did a.

1814
01:50:27,870 --> 01:50:33,950
We did a grandma and there were no documents as to why they lowered their amount and it was like why didn't the city lower amount?

1815
01:50:34,070 --> 01:50:35,630
And not even knowing.

1816
01:50:36,630 --> 01:50:40,550
So that just there's not good documentation and I'm not throwing the school district under the bus.

1817
01:50:40,910 --> 01:50:42,990
The previous Council of Vineyard or you?

1818
01:50:43,390 --> 01:50:46,710
But it's just like the history of it and the way in which it was done.

1819
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:47,790
Is it just leaves?

1820
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:51,990
There's no documentation in place to be able to do that. And that's what we're trying to do is. And the last thing is, is I hope

1821
01:50:51,990 --> 01:50:55,510
you guys would also support us.

1822
01:50:55,950 --> 01:50:58,350
In retaining our authority and not.

1823
01:50:58,750 --> 01:50:59,830
Shrinking it down.

1824
01:51:00,190 --> 01:51:07,390
I think one of the other concerns, that's the only thing we're trying to fight, Ezra and I had identified earlier today.

1825
01:51:07,670 --> 01:51:11,360
Was that in the agenda packet? There's also two versions of each resolution.

1826
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:13,350
There's whatever that first.

1827
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:17,710
Draft thing was in that package and then there's also.

1828
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:21,590
Additional resolutions that I think have already been.

1829
01:51:22,230 --> 01:51:23,310
Edited from.

1830
01:51:23,390 --> 01:51:25,510
Our legal representation as well.

1831
01:51:25,670 --> 01:51:26,350
And so there's.

1832
01:51:26,430 --> 01:51:29,630
Added confusion there, which I think is part of the reason why.

1833
01:51:30,150 --> 01:51:35,920
We kind of unanimously agree that these should be moved to work sessions and we have to work through those things so.

1834
01:51:36,310 --> 01:51:39,190
I'm gonna end public comment and we'll go into.

1835
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:41,080
Discussion.

1836
01:51:41,470 --> 01:51:41,830
On uh.

1837
01:51:42,310 --> 01:51:48,590
Resolution 2026-23, which is to establish a complete land use application.

1838
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:52,030
And applicant vesting control policy.

1839
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:59,400
Since I'm only, you know, mayor Pro Tem and I actually still am a council member that gets to do stuff.

1840
01:52:00,270 --> 01:52:02,070
I'm just going to share some of my.

1841
01:52:02,190 --> 01:52:02,870
Thoughts.

1842
01:52:03,470 --> 01:52:05,350
Get it out there for the public to hear.

1843
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:13,840
This resolution, the intent of it to my understanding, is largely to define what makes a land use application complete.

1844
01:52:14,030 --> 01:52:16,030
Four large scale projects.

1845
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:19,910
There's a little bit of ambiguity there, maybe with large scale projects, but.

1846
01:52:20,270 --> 01:52:22,270
That's defined in the.

1847
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:24,640
At least second draft of the resolution.

1848
01:52:25,070 --> 01:52:28,070
So that gets clarified, I think, and then.

1849
01:52:29,090 --> 01:52:34,570
This would essentially require utility letters, traffic studies, phasing plans, fiscal impact analysis.

1850
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:36,710
Before vesting occurs.

1851
01:52:37,570 --> 01:52:38,640
This is the.

1852
01:52:39,110 --> 01:52:40,710
Vesting gateway that's.

1853
01:52:40,910 --> 01:52:41,430
I think.

1854
01:52:42,270 --> 01:52:43,470
Identified by.

1855
01:52:43,550 --> 01:52:45,430
State Bill 284.

1856
01:52:45,590 --> 01:52:46,310
Which?

1857
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:51,110
Has to be in place before May 6 or we lose the ability to put something like that in place.

1858
01:52:51,710 --> 01:52:53,670
The real issue that I think.

1859
01:52:54,070 --> 01:52:56,470
From my perspective is that it identifies.

1860
01:52:56,550 --> 01:53:00,630
Where we were very weak as a city when it came to what our.

1861
01:53:00,870 --> 01:53:03,070
Code, process and ordinances.

1862
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:04,790
Defined and specified.

1863
01:53:05,590 --> 01:53:08,550
So from my perspective, there's a couple pros.

1864
01:53:08,630 --> 01:53:10,270
With this I do think that.

1865
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:13,040
We need to fix some language in it, and I'll touch on that in a minute.

1866
01:53:13,550 --> 01:53:17,030
But the first Pro is that I don't think it actually expands.

1867
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:21,320
Government or government overreach? I think that it's largely.

1868
01:53:21,430 --> 01:53:23,400
Defining information thresholds.

1869
01:53:23,550 --> 01:53:24,990
That should be met.

1870
01:53:25,390 --> 01:53:26,590
And it prevents.

1871
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:29,230
Gaps in taxpayer.

1872
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,520
Supervision is maybe the right term to say it.

1873
01:53:32,670 --> 01:53:37,350
I recognize that oversight, yeah, that the council is essentially the the taxpayer oversight.

1874
01:53:38,950 --> 01:53:41,230
I also think from a local perspective.

1875
01:53:41,590 --> 01:53:42,190
That this.

1876
01:53:42,630 --> 01:53:45,790
Essentially prevents vesting under thin standard.

1877
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:47,910
It would just make the standard robust.

1878
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:50,110
I think that that's better.

1879
01:53:50,270 --> 01:53:52,830
For everyone in the long run that you have.

1880
01:53:52,950 --> 01:53:54,350
Essentially a very defined.

1881
01:53:54,430 --> 01:53:55,910
Process of what's required.

1882
01:53:57,450 --> 01:54:00,040
We talked at length last week about or.

1883
01:54:00,150 --> 01:54:01,430
I guess two weeks ago now.

1884
01:54:01,870 --> 01:54:02,430
About.

1885
01:54:02,510 --> 01:54:06,390
What powers we wanted to allow? Maybe the mayor.

1886
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:10,450
To have or not have, largely because we didn't want there to be perceptions of favoritism. And so this is also in part to combat

1887
01:54:10,450 --> 01:54:14,430
that and make sure.

1888
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:16,990
One, the oversight board has oversight.

1889
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:18,670
And 2nd that we're.

1890
01:54:18,750 --> 01:54:20,520
Applying it evenly across the board.

1891
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:24,240
My legal concerns with this?

1892
01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:25,790
Resolution as it's.

1893
01:54:25,910 --> 01:54:26,990
Written right now.

1894
01:54:27,740 --> 01:54:29,680
The second one in the packet.

1895
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:35,000
Is that I think that there needs to be a fix when it comes to language regarding.

1896
01:54:36,510 --> 01:54:38,720
Already completed applications.

1897
01:54:39,310 --> 01:54:46,150
And I did get a couple emails from our city planner, senior planner Cash Hans.

1898
01:54:47,690 --> 01:54:50,120
He identified a concern that.

1899
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:54,710
All of Vineyard could be defined as transit adjacent, and that we as a council would essentially need to define what that actually

1900
01:54:54,710 --> 01:54:58,870
means.

1901
01:54:59,230 --> 01:55:00,630
Prior to moving forward.

1902
01:55:00,870 --> 01:55:02,470
And then I would recommend.

1903
01:55:03,110 --> 01:55:08,150
Stating that this is interim policy until we have an actual ordinance adopted.

1904
01:55:09,790 --> 01:55:10,640
That's my thoughts.

1905
01:55:10,830 --> 01:55:12,190
We'll go down the line.

1906
01:55:12,870 --> 01:55:13,830
Jake, you want to go next?

1907
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:17,830
I have nothing more to add. I I concur. I think there's wisdom and.

1908
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:19,510
And passing something.

1909
01:55:20,310 --> 01:55:22,790
Think the language and verbiage could get better?

1910
01:55:22,910 --> 01:55:24,510
I think that it's wise to gather.

1911
01:55:24,590 --> 01:55:26,550
Like I've already said that the 2.

1912
01:55:27,310 --> 01:55:30,750
And and we've also consulted with other attorneys in other cities.

1913
01:55:31,590 --> 01:55:32,750
Head conflicting.

1914
01:55:33,230 --> 01:55:35,950
You know the three cities I contacted they.

1915
01:55:37,070 --> 01:55:37,910
Small deal.

1916
01:55:38,190 --> 01:55:40,830
It's a nothing burger so it's interesting to see.

1917
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:41,590
The.

1918
01:55:41,670 --> 01:55:47,230
Difference of opinion and if there is any not a solid consensus, I would pass a resolution just.

1919
01:55:47,790 --> 01:55:50,510
To make sure we're protected and our bases are covered.

1920
01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:55,920
No, nothing really more to add. It's just that I think that like you said.

1921
01:55:56,190 --> 01:56:01,350
To have real teeth, we have to make it an ordinance rather than resolutions. Correct love to.

1922
01:56:01,430 --> 01:56:03,070
Do that is it? Yeah. Thank you.

1923
01:56:03,780 --> 01:56:06,300
It's important to point out this is a resolution that doesn't.

1924
01:56:06,430 --> 01:56:07,790
Find anyone?

1925
01:56:07,870 --> 01:56:11,750
Yeah, we an ordinance is required to do that. This is a simply instructions on.

1926
01:56:12,110 --> 01:56:14,990
On how to produce an ordinance that would bind us.

1927
01:56:15,590 --> 01:56:19,390
And that's, that's the, that's the important, an important distinction here.

1928
01:56:19,790 --> 01:56:20,510
So.

1929
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:23,470
It's also.

1930
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:28,950
I like to point out it's possible to repeal resolutions and ordinances too. I mean, we've.

1931
01:56:29,030 --> 01:56:32,070
The previous council was was able to repeal a funding.

1932
01:56:32,830 --> 01:56:34,070
Mechanism for the.

1933
01:56:34,150 --> 01:56:35,750
Their proposed you know.

1934
01:56:35,950 --> 01:56:36,750
Vineyards that are.

1935
01:56:37,390 --> 01:56:38,960
It's possible to do that?

1936
01:56:39,070 --> 01:56:41,310
If we find that, we're really terribly in error.

1937
01:56:41,710 --> 01:56:43,750
We're trying hard not to be.

1938
01:56:44,270 --> 01:56:48,550
And try to use due process where we can to make sure we're not.

1939
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:51,070
One of the things I learned.

1940
01:56:51,270 --> 01:56:53,110
Discussing this with our senior planner.

1941
01:56:53,190 --> 01:56:53,670
Is that?

1942
01:56:54,510 --> 01:56:58,070
That many of these things we already have enshrined in our zoning code.

1943
01:56:58,270 --> 01:56:59,150
And so they.

1944
01:56:59,430 --> 01:57:04,030
It really wouldn't take much, if anything, in addition to you know what's already there.

1945
01:57:04,630 --> 01:57:10,350
And then but there but does identify a few places where we we need to perhaps make it more robust.

1946
01:57:10,710 --> 01:57:13,790
To be honest with you, I really wish we could maintain the old system.

1947
01:57:14,150 --> 01:57:15,590
But the Legislature is.

1948
01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:17,150
Deemed that can't be.

1949
01:57:17,390 --> 01:57:22,150
That can't be done, so we're going to try to follow the law they've given us and and to.

1950
01:57:22,350 --> 01:57:24,990
Transfer over to these controls from.

1951
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:26,710
You know, from simply zon.

1952
01:57:26,870 --> 01:57:30,510
Text amendments to requirements for a complete.

1953
01:57:30,950 --> 01:57:31,950
Package.

1954
01:57:32,870 --> 01:57:34,870
You know it's a developer agreement.

1955
01:57:35,870 --> 01:57:39,110
It's not a completed development agreement, but it's a perspective.

1956
01:57:40,590 --> 01:57:44,150
Developer agreement needs to be there as part of the application.

1957
01:57:44,470 --> 01:57:47,630
For some for new development and that's.

1958
01:57:47,790 --> 01:57:48,630
And so with.

1959
01:57:49,710 --> 01:57:53,270
With that in mind, I think that a little time we can get.

1960
01:57:54,110 --> 01:57:57,550
We can identify those things and put them all together, and I think that it would work well.

1961
01:57:57,990 --> 01:58:00,750
Our legal advice says that's possible.

1962
01:58:02,510 --> 01:58:05,670
Our planners say it's possible. The issue is simply do we have the?

1963
01:58:05,870 --> 01:58:08,790
The bandwidth and the planning department to be able to do it.

1964
01:58:09,150 --> 01:58:10,310
And within the.

1965
01:58:10,510 --> 01:58:11,710
You know, a lot of time.

1966
01:58:11,870 --> 01:58:15,990
And I think just to share a thought on on what you've said one of my.

1967
01:58:16,430 --> 01:58:22,630
Concerns here with that, specifically the bandwidth aspect. And Ezra, we talked about this earlier today too.

1968
01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:29,790
There's some duplication I think that gets created in this and other resolutions that adds checks to.

1969
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:31,990
The planners.

1970
01:58:32,670 --> 01:58:33,590
For example.

1971
01:58:33,670 --> 01:58:36,550
One of I think it was this one, but it adds a.

1972
01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:40,000
Development agreement review and a zoning.

1973
01:58:40,110 --> 01:58:43,950
Review in addition to the code and ordinance review and then you have.

1974
01:58:44,150 --> 01:58:47,510
Essentially the same scope of work being performed multiple.

1975
01:58:47,710 --> 01:58:52,710
And that's that's further on. But yes, you're right and it probably is a duplication of work there the way it's written.

1976
01:58:52,830 --> 01:58:55,310
I would think it could be combined. They wouldn't need to be duplicated.

1977
01:58:55,470 --> 01:58:56,910
I agree with that I.

1978
01:58:57,470 --> 01:59:01,070
Don't want to run into the issue where we've worked very hard to.

1979
01:59:01,670 --> 01:59:03,750
Build a lean and efficient.

1980
01:59:04,190 --> 01:59:05,190
Organization.

1981
01:59:05,630 --> 01:59:10,190
And then we turn around because we're in a panic or a frenzy or we're doing something out of fear.

1982
01:59:10,510 --> 01:59:11,150
That, uh.

1983
01:59:11,470 --> 01:59:17,310
Pushed us into a position where now we have to hire a lot more staff again and we didn't actually shrink government.

1984
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:18,070
You know, umm.

1985
01:59:18,630 --> 01:59:20,230
Ezra, what thoughts do you have?

1986
01:59:21,670 --> 01:59:22,510
I have many.

1987
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:25,470
First and foremost.

1988
01:59:26,590 --> 01:59:28,190
This document with.

1989
01:59:28,980 --> 01:59:30,580
So I'm sorry and.

1990
01:59:31,590 --> 01:59:32,830
Kind of my archaic.

1991
01:59:34,260 --> 01:59:35,940
Before, when I was at the city, how we.

1992
01:59:36,230 --> 01:59:37,990
Had resolutions and things on.

1993
01:59:39,390 --> 01:59:41,830
We used to have staff reports that kind of identified.

1994
01:59:41,990 --> 01:59:43,070
Here's who's writing it.

1995
01:59:43,190 --> 01:59:45,600
Here's who's making this recommendation.

1996
01:59:46,030 --> 01:59:48,990
There's some strategic notes that were included in the packet.

1997
01:59:50,430 --> 01:59:54,150
But I don't have any direction on who is providing that guidance so.

1998
01:59:54,470 --> 01:59:55,710
As you mentioned that.

1999
01:59:55,790 --> 01:59:57,590
A lot of people have had their hands in this.

2000
01:59:57,870 --> 01:59:58,630
Is that?

2001
01:59:58,710 --> 02:00:00,150
Strategic direction.

2002
02:00:00,790 --> 02:00:03,560
From our legal counsel from.

2003
02:00:04,030 --> 02:00:05,040
City Council.

2004
02:00:05,670 --> 02:00:07,750
Could somebody help answer that question for me?

2005
02:00:08,950 --> 02:00:11,190
It has. The city was not involved.

2006
02:00:11,310 --> 02:00:11,910
At all.

2007
02:00:11,990 --> 02:00:12,990
In these documents.

2008
02:00:13,390 --> 02:00:14,760
Except for interpreting them.

2009
02:00:15,310 --> 02:00:16,670
Are attempting to interpret them.

2010
02:00:17,350 --> 02:00:18,750
Our city attorney was involved.

2011
02:00:18,910 --> 02:00:19,790
Not in writing it.

2012
02:00:20,770 --> 02:00:22,360
Not in Norway by a reviewing.

2013
02:00:22,590 --> 02:00:25,350
Well, yes, where did this? We tried to interpret it.

2014
02:00:25,470 --> 02:00:26,520
But we did not write it.

2015
02:00:28,570 --> 02:00:32,600
I got and these comments that Ezra is mentioning.

2016
02:00:32,830 --> 02:00:35,190
They weren't written by our city attorney.

2017
02:00:35,670 --> 02:00:37,230
Right, I'm not saying written, but.

2018
02:00:37,310 --> 02:00:38,430
We submitted it.

2019
02:00:38,550 --> 02:00:40,590
For approval and he said they look fine.

2020
02:00:40,670 --> 02:00:45,470
Did you send this to Jesse? Two weeks, yes. I sent it to him, yes.

2021
02:00:45,550 --> 02:00:47,750
What did he say? And he said that he.

2022
02:00:48,430 --> 02:00:49,880
He was defaulting to.

2023
02:00:50,030 --> 02:00:51,110
Mostly to the.

2024
02:00:51,190 --> 02:00:56,190
Utah League of Cities and Towns. We thought that time that they were the original authors of this.

2025
02:00:56,510 --> 02:00:58,510
We've since found out that that's not the case.

2026
02:00:59,430 --> 02:01:00,190
But we.

2027
02:01:00,470 --> 02:01:01,630
But it has been through.

2028
02:01:02,110 --> 02:01:03,270
Many other.

2029
02:01:03,670 --> 02:01:07,350
Well, other citizens have worked with this and so forth, so it's a.

2030
02:01:07,950 --> 02:01:09,430
So you sent it to Jesse?

2031
02:01:10,380 --> 02:01:12,040
Yeah, where did you get it from?

2032
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:14,360
I was directed.

2033
02:01:14,670 --> 02:01:15,950
By a couple of people.

2034
02:01:16,070 --> 02:01:18,150
That have been working with us on the RDA.

2035
02:01:18,830 --> 02:01:20,790
Where do we find this? And I went and found it.

2036
02:01:21,470 --> 02:01:22,920
Did you use my version?

2037
02:01:24,120 --> 02:01:26,560
It may have been your version that I ended up with.

2038
02:01:27,190 --> 02:01:34,270
I out of no problem. Let's see Christie Henshaw Republican Party. We talked but I didn't give her the version.

2039
02:01:34,470 --> 02:01:36,110
You see, three got it.

2040
02:01:36,550 --> 02:01:40,710
I spoke with Saratoga Springs, Linden, Orem, there were quite a few people that.

2041
02:01:41,030 --> 02:01:41,830
We gave.

2042
02:01:42,190 --> 02:01:45,110
Hey, adjust this or I don't think we have it written. It was.

2043
02:01:45,430 --> 02:01:48,470
I did. How did this document come to be?

2044
02:01:49,510 --> 02:01:54,830
You can do zoom meetings and write with people and zoom meetings all the time while somebody dictates it.

2045
02:01:55,110 --> 02:02:00,550
I mean, David Larae helped most of it, putting it all together. I love it. Yeah, there's a lot of us we've.

2046
02:02:01,030 --> 02:02:04,670
Well, let's see, the people have been advising us a great deal with the.

2047
02:02:05,030 --> 02:02:08,590
RDA has been. We've had Carson Walker, we've had.

2048
02:02:10,070 --> 02:02:13,110
John Barrick we've had.

2049
02:02:13,980 --> 02:02:17,460
Kim Cornelius is with us here as advisors on some things as well.

2050
02:02:18,180 --> 02:02:19,020
And so forth.

2051
02:02:19,140 --> 02:02:24,540
We've had, are you wanting us to keep like a Word document like this suggested change and that suggested change like I'm not

2052
02:02:24,540 --> 02:02:29,940
understanding we didn't do that. So there's very clear like with your parking ordinance like.

2053
02:02:30,020 --> 02:02:33,500
I wrote that. I put on. I wrote it, I put it on.

2054
02:02:33,940 --> 02:02:40,660
So I just there's strategic direction here and then instructions on how to use this packet, a point of order for the Council.

2055
02:02:41,340 --> 02:02:42,260
Just like we're not.

2056
02:02:42,540 --> 02:02:44,340
Allowed to disclose.

2057
02:02:44,580 --> 02:02:47,340
Names for resident emails and things like that When?

2058
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:49,670
They reach out to us.

2059
02:02:51,860 --> 02:02:55,700
Our recorder and I just are leaning over and there's a.

2060
02:02:55,820 --> 02:02:57,180
We have privacy.

2061
02:02:57,300 --> 02:03:01,660
Issue concern. So let's not use names unless they have given you permission to use their name.

2062
02:03:01,900 --> 02:03:02,420
Yeah.

2063
02:03:06,180 --> 02:03:09,660
Right. Yeah, that's why I'm wondering. Like that's like sad. Well, that's my question is like I'm wondering this the League of

2064
02:03:09,660 --> 02:03:13,140
Cities and Towns.

2065
02:03:13,660 --> 02:03:16,020
Wrote this and we found out that they didn't write this.

2066
02:03:16,340 --> 02:03:17,860
Yeah, that's that's my like.

2067
02:03:18,140 --> 02:03:20,780
David Lewis staff report, for example, it says.

2068
02:03:20,900 --> 02:03:23,340
I've learned a lot in the last 24 hours that were.

2069
02:03:23,540 --> 02:03:27,540
Where its origins were, and I'll be happy to discuss those with you privately earlier.

2070
02:03:28,100 --> 02:03:28,860
I think.

2071
02:03:28,940 --> 02:03:31,580
If we're I mean, this was on the agenda to vote today.

2072
02:03:31,700 --> 02:03:34,220
With clear instructions on how to use the packet like.

2073
02:03:34,380 --> 02:03:38,140
When I'm getting this, I'm reading this as these are instructions for me from.

2074
02:03:38,220 --> 02:03:38,950
Someone.

2075
02:03:39,220 --> 02:03:44,660
When I submit this, when I submit this to go on the packet, my understanding my understanding was that the.

2076
02:03:44,900 --> 02:03:49,240
That the resolutions themselves will be exerted from this and the packet would not necessarily would not be part of it, it just it

2077
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:53,580
would just be the individual resolutions because that's all I really worked on.

2078
02:03:53,980 --> 02:03:56,340
I rather ignored the other other comments on the side.

2079
02:03:57,190 --> 02:03:57,550
OK.

2080
02:03:59,140 --> 02:04:02,460
We'll move past that one. I just, it just feels very like.

2081
02:04:02,500 --> 02:04:04,590
I know this happens a lot in the federal government. Where?

2082
02:04:04,660 --> 02:04:06,340
Legislators just proposed stuff that.

2083
02:04:06,860 --> 02:04:08,460
Lobbyists or whoever like I don't.

2084
02:04:08,540 --> 02:04:09,630
I just don't like that.

2085
02:04:09,740 --> 02:04:12,390
So I would love to in the future.

2086
02:04:12,540 --> 02:04:13,540
If we're getting like.

2087
02:04:13,660 --> 02:04:15,110
Direction or something like.

2088
02:04:15,340 --> 02:04:18,580
Is this a staff report? Is this coming from a council member? Like what?

2089
02:04:18,780 --> 02:04:21,660
Like who is providing that that instruction? So that that was my first.

2090
02:04:21,900 --> 02:04:22,860
Question but.

2091
02:04:23,380 --> 02:04:25,500
To address the comment on.

2092
02:04:26,020 --> 02:04:28,820
The the.

2093
02:04:29,660 --> 02:04:32,700
That this doesn't affect any existing applications.

2094
02:04:32,900 --> 02:04:35,340
So in Section 2 and I think.

2095
02:04:35,700 --> 02:04:37,660
We can keep pushing towards that goal, but.

2096
02:04:37,700 --> 02:04:42,180
Here are some of the things that I've noticed that would need to be changed for that to be effectuated in writing.

2097
02:04:42,780 --> 02:04:45,740
So I'm in the document that's.

2098
02:04:45,980 --> 02:04:46,780
I'm in the.

2099
02:04:46,860 --> 02:04:49,910
The one that says 2026-23?

2100
02:04:50,180 --> 02:04:52,820
Not the one that says 202601.

2101
02:04:53,220 --> 02:04:54,700
That's in the sub.

2102
02:04:54,940 --> 02:04:55,740
Sub item.

2103
02:04:56,420 --> 02:05:00,580
So Section 2, it says effective immediately upon adoption of this resolution.

2104
02:05:00,780 --> 02:05:05,140
No land use application for any of the following project categories shall be deemed complete.

2105
02:05:05,380 --> 02:05:08,740
For purposes of Utah code 109A509.

2106
02:05:09,220 --> 02:05:12,430
Unless all items specified in the city's published application.

2107
02:05:12,660 --> 02:05:14,820
Checklist for the applicable project type.

2108
02:05:15,020 --> 02:05:16,860
As amended by this resolution.

2109
02:05:17,500 --> 02:05:22,060
And the implementing ordinance described here and are submitted and final non placeholder form.

2110
02:05:22,220 --> 02:05:23,340
So that's my first.

2111
02:05:23,460 --> 02:05:24,380
Question of.

2112
02:05:24,660 --> 02:05:26,140
Or my first comment of.

2113
02:05:26,500 --> 02:05:29,220
It says that like it's saying this is forward-looking.

2114
02:05:29,380 --> 02:05:30,780
But this statement means.

2115
02:05:31,140 --> 02:05:31,820
We are.

2116
02:05:31,980 --> 02:05:33,950
With this resolution changing.

2117
02:05:34,100 --> 02:05:38,500
The standards that we had previously published, we were amending those standards we had previously published.

2118
02:05:38,740 --> 02:05:41,900
And now all of those applications will be deemed not complete.

2119
02:05:42,180 --> 02:05:43,020
So that's my.

2120
02:05:43,460 --> 02:05:44,340
My biggest?

2121
02:05:44,420 --> 02:05:48,020
Issue with how this is set up and how should we resolve that so that doesn't mean.

2122
02:05:48,180 --> 02:05:49,300
It doesn't look backwards.

2123
02:05:49,660 --> 02:05:51,580
You had to submit language to improve it.

2124
02:05:51,700 --> 02:05:52,420
My.

2125
02:05:52,500 --> 02:05:53,620
Recommendation.

2126
02:05:53,740 --> 02:05:55,700
Yeah. Is that we clarify.

2127
02:05:56,180 --> 02:05:57,140
Language.

2128
02:05:57,620 --> 02:06:01,740
To my like I read it and I can see what you're saying.

2129
02:06:02,180 --> 02:06:05,940
I think.

2130
02:06:07,170 --> 02:06:09,790
Largely you just clarify that.

2131
02:06:09,980 --> 02:06:12,860
Any anything that's been vested.

2132
02:06:13,500 --> 02:06:14,580
Is still.

2133
02:06:15,590 --> 02:06:19,430
Held to the Rules and the Agreement at the time of vesting.

2134
02:06:20,350 --> 02:06:22,590
Yeah. So if we've approved, approved.

2135
02:06:23,180 --> 02:06:25,940
Applications to go forward if there's development happening like.

2136
02:06:26,260 --> 02:06:28,980
And this is what I want staff to input on is.

2137
02:06:29,300 --> 02:06:30,150
Of these.

2138
02:06:30,580 --> 02:06:35,380
Revised standards How many How many applications don't meet these revised standards currently?

2139
02:06:35,540 --> 02:06:38,580
What are those deficiencies? And that way we get a scope of like.

2140
02:06:38,660 --> 02:06:39,700
OK, who are we?

2141
02:06:39,860 --> 02:06:42,110
Who are we talking about? Does this even affect anyone?

2142
02:06:42,420 --> 02:06:43,940
Or is this all?

2143
02:06:44,300 --> 02:06:48,390
Not urgent because there's no pending applications that we need to worry about. Well, and I would also.

2144
02:06:48,500 --> 02:06:51,380
Want to maybe just add language that specifies?

2145
02:06:52,980 --> 02:06:54,950
Just very clearly that this is.

2146
02:06:56,830 --> 02:06:57,830
All forward.

2147
02:06:58,220 --> 02:06:58,860
Motion.

2148
02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:02,080
Yeah, I think we can work on that and.

2149
02:07:02,580 --> 02:07:04,180
Subsequent work sessions and.

2150
02:07:04,920 --> 02:07:06,670
As we review that which I'd be.

2151
02:07:07,370 --> 02:07:10,270
Great to clarify, since that's the direction that's being given here.

2152
02:07:10,540 --> 02:07:11,740
You know, since, since.

2153
02:07:12,500 --> 02:07:15,900
284 requires us to be upfront about everything.

2154
02:07:16,140 --> 02:07:18,900
We're just trying to make sure we are upfront about appearing.

2155
02:07:21,770 --> 02:07:23,710
OK then in Section 4.

2156
02:07:24,180 --> 02:07:26,540
It says no application shall be.

2157
02:07:26,660 --> 02:07:28,860
Deemed complete if any required exhibit.

2158
02:07:29,020 --> 02:07:30,740
Is submitted in draft.

2159
02:07:31,660 --> 02:07:33,780
Placeholder to be determined or incomplete form.

2160
02:07:33,980 --> 02:07:35,980
So it's saying submitted in draft form.

2161
02:07:36,100 --> 02:07:39,820
But then one of the required documents is a draft development agreement, so.

2162
02:07:39,900 --> 02:07:42,380
There's a clarify that because those are contradictory.

2163
02:07:42,580 --> 02:07:43,980
Contradictory right there.

2164
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:48,390
And then also that section still references a planning director.

2165
02:07:49,060 --> 02:07:50,260
If we're not going to.

2166
02:07:50,500 --> 02:07:52,340
Plan on having one then we can.

2167
02:07:52,420 --> 02:07:57,580
Strike that reference to the planning director there. I left that in because we had city planner also mentioned there. I figured.

2168
02:07:57,660 --> 02:07:59,860
Yeah, for future, if we ever have one.

2169
02:07:59,940 --> 02:08:00,620
That's great.

2170
02:08:02,740 --> 02:08:03,780
And then?

2171
02:08:04,300 --> 02:08:06,300
As far as the interim application, again I.

2172
02:08:06,620 --> 02:08:07,900
I don't think this is.

2173
02:08:08,060 --> 02:08:09,220
Ready to pass?

2174
02:08:09,620 --> 02:08:10,940
As an interim given.

2175
02:08:11,620 --> 02:08:14,060
Those. At least those those.

2176
02:08:14,580 --> 02:08:15,630
Issues and.

2177
02:08:16,180 --> 02:08:16,870
Again.

2178
02:08:18,060 --> 02:08:21,580
All a lot of these are spelled out in ordinance. It'd be great to have staff reviews say.

2179
02:08:21,740 --> 02:08:23,500
What's already in ordinance? We don't need to.

2180
02:08:24,200 --> 02:08:27,590
Re include that and then try to have this supersede the ordinance, because then there's a.

2181
02:08:28,100 --> 02:08:29,060
A question of.

2182
02:08:29,500 --> 02:08:31,780
Do we follow the resolution? Do we follow the ordinance?

2183
02:08:31,900 --> 02:08:33,380
I believe the ordinance would be.

2184
02:08:33,860 --> 02:08:37,980
The prevailing document in any given situation. So I think that just muddies the water to.

2185
02:08:38,140 --> 02:08:39,900
One of the other ones do the ordinance.

2186
02:08:40,020 --> 02:08:46,060
Right. One of the other resolutions that we're not considering tonight specifies that we do that review you're Speaking of.

2187
02:08:46,180 --> 02:08:48,230
Yeah, I think that was actually the next one.

2188
02:08:48,380 --> 02:08:49,740
The Dash 24.

2189
02:08:51,470 --> 02:08:53,030
So my recommendation?

2190
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:55,510
Open to feedback.

2191
02:08:57,140 --> 02:08:59,060
Look, we know we're going to continue this item.

2192
02:09:00,950 --> 02:09:02,790
I would like to see this.

2193
02:09:03,500 --> 02:09:06,340
Maybe we take this copy the second copy from the.

2194
02:09:07,150 --> 02:09:09,990
The agenda packet? Yeah, the body that's numbered.

2195
02:09:10,100 --> 02:09:12,340
Let's have 23 correct? Let's have.

2196
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:15,680
I don't know if it's appropriate to have.

2197
02:09:16,140 --> 02:09:17,660
Robin do it. Or or.

2198
02:09:17,740 --> 02:09:19,060
Mr. Riddle or?

2199
02:09:19,500 --> 02:09:22,420
But send it out to each of the council members like we did with.

2200
02:09:22,500 --> 02:09:23,700
The code revisions.

2201
02:09:24,380 --> 02:09:31,260
Let us redline our bits, send it back to Jesse or Mr. Riddle for a reconciliation and consolidation.

2202
02:09:31,660 --> 02:09:33,020
Then we can bring that.

2203
02:09:33,220 --> 02:09:34,500
To the work session.

2204
02:09:34,580 --> 02:09:35,340
Next week.

2205
02:09:35,980 --> 02:09:37,620
Does that sound like an appropriate?

2206
02:09:37,780 --> 02:09:38,700
Course of action.

2207
02:09:38,980 --> 02:09:44,220
Sounds great. I agree with that, with the understanding that the following week we would have a vote and meet the deadline.

2208
02:09:44,540 --> 02:09:48,300
Correct. I think that that's the intent. I don't think anybody here is pushed against.

2209
02:09:48,980 --> 02:09:52,740
OK. One of the things we're concerned about in this and this is.

2210
02:09:52,940 --> 02:09:55,260
This is a risk we take in doing that.

2211
02:09:55,460 --> 02:09:58,980
Is that we not allow ourselves staff time enough to actually?

2212
02:09:59,100 --> 02:10:03,220
Create the documents that are contemplated here. It's the instruction to go do it.

2213
02:10:03,380 --> 02:10:05,540
You mean maybe specifically like the ordinance?

2214
02:10:05,580 --> 02:10:07,580
Yeah, the ordinance wouldn't be created necessarily.

2215
02:10:07,700 --> 02:10:09,060
And we're also looking, you know.

2216
02:10:09,260 --> 02:10:10,980
And I guess we don't really have time for a.

2217
02:10:11,500 --> 02:10:14,300
There's not 20 days left to do the public hearing and stuff.

2218
02:10:16,300 --> 02:10:19,780
That affects different resolutions. I don't think that affects this resolution.

2219
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:22,950
It's just the applicant. This one is just application.

2220
02:10:23,870 --> 02:10:29,990
And this one is because it's a resolution right now and not an ordinance is largely us setting legislative policy for the staff.

2221
02:10:30,900 --> 02:10:33,390
So it's the like you said earlier, the direction.

2222
02:10:33,620 --> 02:10:34,660
To go and make.

2223
02:10:35,970 --> 02:10:36,930
What needs to be made?

2224
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:40,830
I also think that in doing this though.

2225
02:10:41,460 --> 02:10:46,020
We've probably redlined a little bit of the required completeness submittal stuff I.

2226
02:10:47,020 --> 02:10:48,260
I'm just thinking.

2227
02:10:48,380 --> 02:10:51,060
If we're redlining and we're actually looking at this, we need to.

2228
02:10:51,300 --> 02:10:53,500
Involve the staff in the conversations.

2229
02:10:53,780 --> 02:10:55,060
Get very realistic about.

2230
02:10:55,500 --> 02:10:59,260
Where the hours are and the allocation and make sure that we're not.

2231
02:10:59,660 --> 02:11:04,180
Putting ourselves in a position because this is a concern that I have and I know that the mayor has.

2232
02:11:04,740 --> 02:11:05,900
Is that we?

2233
02:11:06,700 --> 02:11:10,180
Have moved very quickly as a council for the last 100 days.

2234
02:11:10,580 --> 02:11:12,220
And in doing that, we.

2235
02:11:12,300 --> 02:11:14,660
While shrinking the size of the city government.

2236
02:11:14,900 --> 02:11:15,860
Have tapped.

2237
02:11:15,940 --> 02:11:18,700
Are people out to a position now where there's.

2238
02:11:19,180 --> 02:11:22,070
We're looking at do we have to hire more people?

2239
02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:25,070
So we have to be very clear at.

2240
02:11:26,100 --> 02:11:27,380
Making sure that we are not.

2241
02:11:27,460 --> 02:11:28,540
Overtaxing.

2242
02:11:29,220 --> 02:11:30,660
The employees that we have.

2243
02:11:30,700 --> 02:11:31,860
We need to take care of them.

2244
02:11:32,260 --> 02:11:33,820
And this is the point. This is a note.

2245
02:11:34,180 --> 02:11:38,060
We have the staff had this for the last two weeks and.

2246
02:11:38,580 --> 02:11:41,700
I know that they started looking at it yesterday because I met with.

2247
02:11:41,860 --> 02:11:42,820
Our planners to.

2248
02:11:42,940 --> 02:11:45,150
And that was the first time they opened it, looked at it with me.

2249
02:11:47,420 --> 02:11:47,700
So.

2250
02:11:49,260 --> 02:11:51,220
So there was an attempt at least to let them.

2251
02:11:51,340 --> 02:11:53,620
Comment correct, but we also need to look at.

2252
02:11:53,700 --> 02:11:54,380
And I'm just.

2253
02:11:54,500 --> 02:11:57,180
Playing devil's advocate here, you got to look at the timing.

2254
02:11:57,500 --> 02:12:01,900
The same way that we didn't have a City Council meeting last week because it was spring break. They're probably on spring break

2255
02:12:01,900 --> 02:12:06,300
with their families. You've got medical emergencies like like.

2256
02:12:06,380 --> 02:12:09,300
You mentioned for for us. You know me too.

2257
02:12:09,580 --> 02:12:11,140
I mean, I know that there are.

2258
02:12:11,260 --> 02:12:15,620
Extenuating circumstances there that also have maybe delayed some of this.

2259
02:12:15,940 --> 02:12:18,300
Now, I think it's still very feasible for us to.

2260
02:12:18,500 --> 02:12:20,820
Meet the May 6 deadline.

2261
02:12:21,940 --> 02:12:24,740
Even with our current City Council schedules.

2262
02:12:27,160 --> 02:12:31,390
I know we can't direct or vote in a meeting, but we can direct to say that.

2263
02:12:31,460 --> 02:12:33,100
Since this has a deadline, it's of.

2264
02:12:33,460 --> 02:12:35,860
Our highest priority on the Council, right?

2265
02:12:38,350 --> 02:12:39,710
Because we've got a deadline.

2266
02:12:40,770 --> 02:12:44,510
I think the highest priority is providing the city services that we.

2267
02:12:44,660 --> 02:12:48,020
Right. But planning, I mean, sure, this is largely planning, right?

2268
02:12:49,700 --> 02:12:49,940
Well.

2269
02:12:51,020 --> 02:12:53,060
Again, maybe, maybe we reach over to.

2270
02:12:54,100 --> 02:12:56,060
Mr. David Kyle, if he knows.

2271
02:12:56,340 --> 02:12:58,660
I don't know what's on plantings plate right now.

2272
02:12:59,700 --> 02:13:00,500
We have a lot.

2273
02:13:00,780 --> 02:13:01,820
On planning split.

2274
02:13:01,940 --> 02:13:04,500
We're currently renegotiating contracts.

2275
02:13:04,580 --> 02:13:05,220
Right now.

2276
02:13:06,060 --> 02:13:08,420
That's probably one of our and a lot of that is.

2277
02:13:08,860 --> 02:13:10,310
Deals with a lot of research.

2278
02:13:10,740 --> 02:13:13,820
And how we can claw back some of our.

2279
02:13:17,220 --> 02:13:19,870
We basically have lost a lot of money by having.

2280
02:13:20,780 --> 02:13:23,180
Previous contracts have signed away our.

2281
02:13:23,260 --> 02:13:24,860
Our rights to.

2282
02:13:25,340 --> 02:13:26,340
Increase our.

2283
02:13:26,420 --> 02:13:27,580
Our impact fees.

2284
02:13:27,820 --> 02:13:31,780
And so we're in the process of that negotiation. It is very time consuming.

2285
02:13:32,220 --> 02:13:34,620
And that's on top of the regular duties.

2286
02:13:36,780 --> 02:13:39,540
So I agree this is important.

2287
02:13:39,660 --> 02:13:42,980
I think that we should set the hard deadline and say, look, we want to have a draft of this resolution that's working through us

2288
02:13:42,980 --> 02:13:46,300
and Mr. Riddle.

2289
02:13:46,540 --> 02:13:47,580
By next week.

2290
02:13:48,100 --> 02:13:50,940
I think that is it realistic for us to say.

2291
02:13:51,060 --> 02:13:51,980
Can we have?

2292
02:13:52,460 --> 02:13:55,750
City staff, the planning department in particular, who's going to be involved in this?

2293
02:13:56,020 --> 02:13:58,340
Get what they need to get done in the next two weeks.

2294
02:14:00,010 --> 02:14:01,110
After today.

2295
02:14:01,260 --> 02:14:03,060
They have a better understanding of.

2296
02:14:03,420 --> 02:14:04,740
Where the direction?

2297
02:14:05,780 --> 02:14:06,780
This is headed.

2298
02:14:07,940 --> 02:14:10,700
This is today. Well, not today, but.

2299
02:14:10,900 --> 02:14:15,780
Yesterday and today were the first time I we've had both of our city planners have.

2300
02:14:15,940 --> 02:14:16,940
Have been at.

2301
02:14:17,660 --> 02:14:20,540
At the office, medical emergencies and.

2302
02:14:21,060 --> 02:14:23,460
Spring break and all. Everything you named off.

2303
02:14:24,060 --> 02:14:29,630
So we are a little behind and I can send a message to Council and let.

2304
02:14:29,780 --> 02:14:30,660
Let you know what.

2305
02:14:32,360 --> 02:14:35,430
When we can, what's the earliest we can get it on the calendar?

2306
02:14:35,980 --> 02:14:37,060
OK. And I think.

2307
02:14:37,420 --> 02:14:38,270
This is just.

2308
02:14:38,780 --> 02:14:42,820
Me willingness, I have tried very hard. I think to.

2309
02:14:43,100 --> 02:14:44,140
Corral.

2310
02:14:45,520 --> 02:14:50,710
That's maybe not the right term, but I'm a cattle guy to get everybody on the same page when it comes to.

2311
02:14:51,100 --> 02:14:51,950
The Council.

2312
02:14:52,100 --> 02:14:56,820
I'm willing to liaison with the staff. I will take ownership of that and making sure that.

2313
02:14:56,900 --> 02:15:00,540
I'm providing what they need or liaisoning with them in the count like.

2314
02:15:00,780 --> 02:15:01,940
If they need the.

2315
02:15:02,700 --> 02:15:06,220
A person to funnel and work through. I will facilitate however I can.

2316
02:15:06,990 --> 02:15:07,830
Is my offer.

2317
02:15:07,980 --> 02:15:09,710
OK. That's appreciated. Thanks.

2318
02:15:10,970 --> 02:15:12,550
It looks like Jesse's had his hand up.

2319
02:15:12,740 --> 02:15:13,580
For a little bit.

2320
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:18,550
Hey and I apologize my video went out for.

2321
02:15:18,700 --> 02:15:20,580
A few minutes and so I'm not sure.

2322
02:15:20,940 --> 02:15:22,860
Which resolution you're talking about?

2323
02:15:23,060 --> 02:15:26,140
But overall, there's no urgency to any of this.

2324
02:15:26,620 --> 02:15:28,220
There there is a may.

2325
02:15:29,460 --> 02:15:30,700
Six deadline.

2326
02:15:31,100 --> 02:15:34,700
But anyone that has a complete application.

2327
02:15:35,340 --> 02:15:36,660
Before May the 7th.

2328
02:15:36,980 --> 02:15:38,700
Has to go into the current code.

2329
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:41,990
The best we could do.

2330
02:15:42,180 --> 02:15:43,580
According to my calculations.

2331
02:15:43,820 --> 02:15:45,260
Is have this.

2332
02:15:45,340 --> 02:15:48,060
Resolution and the ordinance done by May 5th.

2333
02:15:48,580 --> 02:15:52,420
That means we're only protecting the city for one day, assuming.

2334
02:15:52,700 --> 02:15:54,460
We even want to change the code.

2335
02:15:55,100 --> 02:15:56,540
All the other issues.

2336
02:15:56,660 --> 02:15:59,300
Even in I've read 284 numerous times.

2337
02:15:59,660 --> 02:16:04,350
Most of these are just minor changes to state law, and there's no urgency about.

2338
02:16:04,500 --> 02:16:05,460
Any of this?

2339
02:16:05,860 --> 02:16:06,900
That we would have to.

2340
02:16:07,100 --> 02:16:10,140
Put this on staff and do 7 resolutions.

2341
02:16:10,500 --> 02:16:12,660
As I've read through it, I've already.

2342
02:16:13,140 --> 02:16:15,900
Figured out a way to combine two or three of these resolutions.

2343
02:16:16,650 --> 02:16:19,710
But remember, this was dropped on my lap in the middle of a lot of.

2344
02:16:19,940 --> 02:16:21,220
A personal events.

2345
02:16:22,860 --> 02:16:24,380
I just think we back up in.

2346
02:16:24,780 --> 02:16:29,990
Just say, is any of this urgent? And if so, let's move forward with the urgent matters.

2347
02:16:30,220 --> 02:16:31,500
But I can't see.

2348
02:16:31,980 --> 02:16:34,620
Any of this to be urgent at the time?

2349
02:16:34,740 --> 02:16:36,020
So I would just.

2350
02:16:36,140 --> 02:16:37,740
Council. The Council.

2351
02:16:39,060 --> 02:16:42,580
Let's sit down and find out what we think is urgent and why.

2352
02:16:42,780 --> 02:16:49,020
And then at that point, then we can give it to staff where they're not overwhelmed as they just got back from spring break and.

2353
02:16:49,660 --> 02:16:53,460
I understand one of the persons that had a relative that passed away and.

2354
02:16:53,780 --> 02:16:55,420
Things of that sort, so.

2355
02:16:55,580 --> 02:16:58,300
That's just my kind of overall advice without giving.

2356
02:16:58,940 --> 02:17:00,860
Personal legal advice.

2357
02:17:01,060 --> 02:17:05,660
Is that I I think somebody created a sense of urgency for the Council.

2358
02:17:05,740 --> 02:17:07,820
And I don't know if that was warranted.

2359
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:10,030
Mr. Riddle.

2360
02:17:10,540 --> 02:17:15,990
But sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, I thought there was a pause when I started.

2361
02:17:16,180 --> 02:17:18,100
I was just gonna ask you, go ahead, please.

2362
02:17:18,580 --> 02:17:19,350
Did you?

2363
02:17:19,780 --> 02:17:21,020
Here when I was.

2364
02:17:21,500 --> 02:17:23,460
Asking about if you would be.

2365
02:17:23,540 --> 02:17:25,060
Available or willing to.

2366
02:17:25,700 --> 02:17:27,790
Do similarly to what you did with the.

2367
02:17:27,900 --> 02:17:29,860
Code amendments.

2368
02:17:30,060 --> 02:17:31,540
And will you send out?

2369
02:17:32,060 --> 02:17:38,300
Maybe a copy of this to each of us. Let us do red lines and send it back to you and then have you reconcile those.

2370
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:41,480
Yes, Sir.

2371
02:17:41,580 --> 02:17:43,900
I'll do whatever I'm directed by the council.

2372
02:17:44,620 --> 02:17:49,660
But again, I don't think the urgency is if somebody files on this.

2373
02:17:49,820 --> 02:17:52,620
On the 6th, we're just eliminating one day.

2374
02:17:52,980 --> 02:17:55,860
So I don't really see the urgency in jumping into the code.

2375
02:17:56,300 --> 02:17:57,220
And then asking.

2376
02:17:57,980 --> 02:18:01,300
Staff to rewrite a code for a one day period.

2377
02:18:01,940 --> 02:18:07,260
Agreed. And I think that we've kind of come to consensus here. The only issue, the only issue that had.

2378
02:18:07,340 --> 02:18:08,020
Urgency.

2379
02:18:08,420 --> 02:18:09,580
I think was the.

2380
02:18:09,860 --> 02:18:12,070
The 2026-23.

2381
02:18:13,360 --> 02:18:17,510
Which was the vesting 1, and I think that that's the only one that's specified in.

2382
02:18:17,660 --> 02:18:19,620
State bill is that May 6th?

2383
02:18:19,700 --> 02:18:22,140
Deadline so as long as we have.

2384
02:18:22,260 --> 02:18:26,220
Something in place and I think that the resolution meets the intent in SB.

2385
02:18:26,780 --> 02:18:29,740
284 as long as we have something in place.

2386
02:18:30,020 --> 02:18:32,460
Were good to proceed with the rest of the.

2387
02:18:32,940 --> 02:18:35,460
Changes in resolutions almost at leisure, but.

2388
02:18:35,820 --> 02:18:36,420
I mean.

2389
02:18:36,780 --> 02:18:37,980
Making sure that we're.

2390
02:18:38,060 --> 02:18:40,220
Actually doing it the right way, tightening up.

2391
02:18:40,620 --> 02:18:43,070
The ordinance, the definitions, all of those things.

2392
02:18:44,340 --> 02:18:46,020
Am I understanding that correctly think?

2393
02:18:46,460 --> 02:18:48,300
Oh, I'll let you go, Jesse.

2394
02:18:48,420 --> 02:18:51,300
Yes, I'm sorry.

2395
02:18:52,740 --> 02:18:56,940
Raise your hand, Parker, if I had before, because I'm not really sure if I'm interrupting someone, go ahead.

2396
02:18:58,460 --> 02:19:01,820
Jesse, I can't see the screen to know if your hands raised or not.

2397
02:19:01,940 --> 02:19:02,820
My apologies.

2398
02:19:04,140 --> 02:19:05,380
Oh, he can see me.

2399
02:19:05,620 --> 02:19:10,180
Of course I will. I like the procedure we did with the code.

2400
02:19:10,580 --> 02:19:11,780
Where I drafted it.

2401
02:19:12,220 --> 02:19:14,910
Send it out to the council, they made their changes.

2402
02:19:15,180 --> 02:19:19,380
And then it was we went through a public meeting to talk about the the draft.

2403
02:19:19,980 --> 02:19:26,020
And I like that procedure and everyone seemed to be on board and everybody's what seemed to be involved. So of course.

2404
02:19:26,500 --> 02:19:28,820
Let's stay with the procedure. This work for us.

2405
02:19:30,620 --> 02:19:33,460
I agree with that. Is that a consensus? Yeah.

2406
02:19:34,100 --> 02:19:35,380
Or at least on my end.

2407
02:19:36,620 --> 02:19:38,500
One thing I wanted to point out.

2408
02:19:39,100 --> 02:19:39,900
A concern that I.

2409
02:19:40,860 --> 02:19:43,380
Have that I hopefully hopefully we can address through.

2410
02:19:43,420 --> 02:19:45,510
Kind of everything that went down with this process is.

2411
02:19:45,620 --> 02:19:48,780
Like at the end of the day, if any of this stuff was found to be.

2412
02:19:51,380 --> 02:19:53,540
Like a need for litigation.

2413
02:19:53,740 --> 02:19:57,140
Like Jesse would be on the hook to defend that on behalf of the city.

2414
02:19:57,220 --> 02:20:01,420
And so I love what the mayor spelled out in his April first direction of saying.

2415
02:20:01,780 --> 02:20:07,420
Work directly with legal to get those resolutions together because I definitely want you, Jesse, to feel comfortable. It's like.

2416
02:20:07,860 --> 02:20:09,100
I don't want anything.

2417
02:20:09,940 --> 02:20:10,550
I guess.

2418
02:20:10,700 --> 02:20:11,980
Unless I would love.

2419
02:20:12,180 --> 02:20:13,580
An accompanying.

2420
02:20:13,740 --> 02:20:17,180
Legal opinion on things if you're not comfortable.

2421
02:20:17,460 --> 02:20:18,750
Defending or.

2422
02:20:19,460 --> 02:20:20,870
Supporting something?

2423
02:20:21,020 --> 02:20:25,550
That's something that I would love to know kind of going into the meeting. So if you're, if you're ever available to do that.

2424
02:20:26,180 --> 02:20:27,100
I think that would.

2425
02:20:27,220 --> 02:20:28,140
Be welcome.

2426
02:20:28,220 --> 02:20:30,100
If other council members agree.

2427
02:20:35,310 --> 02:20:35,350
I.

2428
02:20:36,180 --> 02:20:38,380
Process that we put in last time where I.

2429
02:20:38,820 --> 02:20:42,780
Take over the process. I didn't really have any control over this process.

2430
02:20:43,140 --> 02:20:45,700
They were sent to me. I I assumed when I.

2431
02:20:46,340 --> 02:20:49,100
Received them. They were done by the League of City and Towns.

2432
02:20:49,260 --> 02:20:51,300
I've talked to their general counsel today.

2433
02:20:51,420 --> 02:20:54,100
He was a little bit upset that his name was involved in it.

2434
02:20:54,500 --> 02:20:59,340
So there's still revelations coming out on who drafted these and.

2435
02:21:00,260 --> 02:21:02,060
To this day I don't know so.

2436
02:21:02,300 --> 02:21:04,660
I like the process where we keep it internal.

2437
02:21:04,820 --> 02:21:05,620
That if there's a.

2438
02:21:06,020 --> 02:21:09,780
Resolution that I get involved in the in the drafting of that.

2439
02:21:09,860 --> 02:21:15,500
And then if there's an ordinance, I work with staff to figure out what is what. What about our ordinance needs to be improved?

2440
02:21:15,940 --> 02:21:18,900
Now for example 284 has lots of changes.

2441
02:21:19,180 --> 02:21:21,140
Especially regarding the Planning Commission.

2442
02:21:21,340 --> 02:21:24,580
So we'll have to adopt the state code changes into our.

2443
02:21:25,500 --> 02:21:27,540
Local ordinances and and I.

2444
02:21:28,460 --> 02:21:31,700
You're always prepared to do that in April and May and June.

2445
02:21:31,940 --> 02:21:32,980
Of the year after the.

2446
02:21:33,100 --> 02:21:35,140
The legislative session adjourns.

2447
02:21:37,560 --> 02:21:41,615
And so I did talk to the general counsel of the league today. There are some seminars that they have on some of the changes to the

2448
02:21:41,615 --> 02:21:45,670
cities and I plan to attend those. But.

2449
02:21:45,900 --> 02:21:49,540
Yes, Ezra, I like the process we've been through and I would agree with you.

2450
02:21:50,660 --> 02:21:51,260
Great.

2451
02:21:52,540 --> 02:21:53,700
So, Mayor, can I?

2452
02:21:54,140 --> 02:21:55,100
I move that we.

2453
02:21:55,500 --> 02:21:59,900
That we adopt the process we've been Speaking of the process that was used previously with the.

2454
02:22:00,100 --> 02:22:01,580
City ordinances to review.

2455
02:22:01,940 --> 02:22:03,820
This resolution.

2456
02:22:04,100 --> 02:22:05,860
202623.

2457
02:22:06,980 --> 02:22:09,900
To formally right, it's just issuing a direction.

2458
02:22:11,060 --> 02:22:12,060
Yeah, let's.

2459
02:22:13,340 --> 02:22:19,300
Mr. Riddle, let's issue that as the council direction. Everyone seems to be in agreeance, everyone's heads nodding.

2460
02:22:19,820 --> 02:22:20,180
OK.

2461
02:22:21,740 --> 02:22:22,260
OK.

2462
02:22:23,180 --> 02:22:24,980
With that, is your head nodding? Yeah.

2463
02:22:25,300 --> 02:22:26,020
Yeah, he was nodding.

2464
02:22:26,860 --> 02:22:29,100
Could I get a motion to continue this to?

2465
02:22:29,220 --> 02:22:31,540
The next weeks work session second.

2466
02:22:31,660 --> 02:22:32,420
No.

2467
02:22:35,330 --> 02:22:36,170
Say the motion.

2468
02:22:37,440 --> 02:22:39,340
Motion to move this to the next work session.

2469
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:45,700
Robin, for clarity, this is item 5.2 adopting a resolution 2026-23.

2470
02:22:47,160 --> 02:22:47,760
2nd.

2471
02:22:49,260 --> 02:22:49,980
All in favor.

2472
02:22:50,250 --> 02:22:50,410
Aye.

2473
02:22:53,070 --> 02:22:54,340
Cool with that.

2474
02:22:55,450 --> 02:22:56,290
Meeting adjourned.

2475
02:22:56,850 --> 02:22:57,490
Is that right?

2476
02:22:58,850 --> 02:23:02,930
Do we do we need to go into OK question?

2477
02:23:03,050 --> 02:23:04,410
Question, Robin.

2478
02:23:04,970 --> 02:23:07,330
Previously the motion.

2479
02:23:07,530 --> 02:23:09,410
Was made earlier to.

2480
02:23:09,490 --> 02:23:14,130
Continue 6.1 which was after we adjourn as the City Council convened as a redevelopment agency. So because the council voted on

2481
02:23:14,130 --> 02:23:18,770
that, we don't get to do RDA stuff.

2482
02:23:18,970 --> 02:23:20,210
Yes, no. Maybe so.

2483
02:23:20,930 --> 02:23:26,250
OK. You, you mentioned also there would be a time during the RDA meeting just to speak about?

2484
02:23:26,530 --> 02:23:28,250
The invoices for the.

2485
02:23:30,210 --> 02:23:32,330
OK, we're gaveling in as the RDA board.

2486
02:23:32,890 --> 02:23:33,570
Ready.

2487
02:23:34,890 --> 02:23:37,130
I have to say that it is currently.

2488
02:23:37,770 --> 02:23:39,810
809 on.

2489
02:23:41,020 --> 02:23:43,660
What day is today? The 14th? April 14th.

2490
02:23:43,730 --> 02:23:45,450
2026 so for.

2491
02:23:45,530 --> 02:23:46,170
Future.

2492
02:23:46,650 --> 02:23:48,490
Like if.

2493
02:23:49,450 --> 02:23:50,530
For future reference.

2494
02:23:51,130 --> 02:23:51,890
It helps.

2495
02:23:52,250 --> 02:23:54,290
If we have this on the agenda.

2496
02:23:54,890 --> 02:23:56,690
And there is some.

2497
02:23:56,810 --> 02:24:01,410
Ambiguity to where you can go into and this is on the agenda.

2498
02:24:01,530 --> 02:24:03,490
This is on the edge. Yes, Yes it is.

2499
02:24:03,930 --> 02:24:05,330
6.16.

2500
02:24:06,610 --> 02:24:09,130
To clarify, I think what he was trying to say was that he.

2501
02:24:09,250 --> 02:24:11,340
Is that they would like to have.

2502
02:24:11,770 --> 02:24:18,730
I dictated it with my executive authority as mayor, protest as a separate meeting and agendas with its own agenda.

2503
02:24:18,970 --> 02:24:21,650
Just so that way there's clarity on what's being voted on.

2504
02:24:23,090 --> 02:24:27,610
As the RDA board, I agree with this as a best practice. Yeah, so.

2505
02:24:28,490 --> 02:24:33,010
As the mayor Pro Tem, I will direct the mayor to fix that stuff.

2506
02:24:35,650 --> 02:24:36,210
So it seemed like.

2507
02:24:37,810 --> 02:24:42,380
I mean, as an informational item, I think your question is do we owe the money? The answer is yes and.

2508
02:24:42,490 --> 02:24:44,450
You know it does under score.

2509
02:24:44,650 --> 02:24:46,770
The great partnership that we've had.

2510
02:24:46,970 --> 02:24:48,530
With flagship where?

2511
02:24:48,650 --> 02:24:55,060
The nature of our agreements is they front the expense for a lot of the things that they do, both the environmental.

2512
02:24:55,210 --> 02:24:57,850
And the infrastructure, we reimburse them later.

2513
02:24:58,250 --> 02:25:01,010
We've got a lot of our annual payments. They're going to be going out.

2514
02:25:01,290 --> 02:25:04,330
Very soon. They usually go out in the spring. We get the money.

2515
02:25:04,450 --> 02:25:05,580
From the county.

2516
02:25:05,730 --> 02:25:07,250
In February.

2517
02:25:07,330 --> 02:25:08,250
And then we.

2518
02:25:08,370 --> 02:25:13,810
Begin paying out all of our reimbursement agreements and so just generically the concern of.

2519
02:25:13,930 --> 02:25:17,370
Hey, you owe us a lot of money. It's true. We and we've usually pay a lot of that in the spring. So right now is the time that we

2520
02:25:17,370 --> 02:25:20,810
we pay them. So OK.

2521
02:25:22,010 --> 02:25:23,010
Mr. Daniels.

2522
02:25:23,130 --> 02:25:27,250
Could you just because I don't have the form that you've previously provided us in front of me?

2523
02:25:27,610 --> 02:25:29,890
When is the next set of payments?

2524
02:25:30,410 --> 02:25:31,210
Scheduled.

2525
02:25:32,220 --> 02:25:32,860
So.

2526
02:25:33,010 --> 02:25:37,690
Our annual reimbursement payments specifically for like tax increment finance.

2527
02:25:37,810 --> 02:25:38,690
Agreements.

2528
02:25:39,050 --> 02:25:40,850
That all just goes out in first quarter.

2529
02:25:41,410 --> 02:25:46,490
OK. So generally not a hard date associated just in first quarter. Each contract has some hard date, some say in the spring, some

2530
02:25:46,490 --> 02:25:51,570
say once you get the money, some say by may, some say you know.

2531
02:25:51,850 --> 02:25:53,130
Generally, everybody's a.

2532
02:25:53,370 --> 02:25:56,290
You know that we've worked with is agreed to receive the money.

2533
02:25:56,610 --> 02:26:00,930
Soon after we get it and we prepare the payments and we do the calculations of which.

2534
02:26:01,010 --> 02:26:03,420
Parcels are applied and all that kind of thing.

2535
02:26:03,650 --> 02:26:05,650
And then there's ongoing environmental.

2536
02:26:05,930 --> 02:26:08,730
Remediation that is not.

2537
02:26:09,650 --> 02:26:12,570
It just it varies as to what work has been done.

2538
02:26:13,290 --> 02:26:18,450
So some months are bigger than other months, Sometimes we pay them every quarter or we've.

2539
02:26:18,530 --> 02:26:19,330
You know, it's just.

2540
02:26:20,050 --> 02:26:23,380
The environmental piece is the one that's a little more unpredictable.

2541
02:26:23,770 --> 02:26:27,010
In terms of when they're expending certain project.

2542
02:26:27,090 --> 02:26:28,090
Funds for.

2543
02:26:28,770 --> 02:26:31,690
For which element of the environmental work that they're doing?

2544
02:26:35,440 --> 02:26:36,900
Other questions? Do you have a comment?

2545
02:26:37,890 --> 02:26:39,890
Please just following the audit.

2546
02:26:40,010 --> 02:26:46,370
It looks like the we didn't have really good established procedures in place, according to the auditor and the.

2547
02:26:46,490 --> 02:26:48,490
Those were hopefully to be in place.

2548
02:26:48,610 --> 02:26:53,410
As soon as we could, right? Yeah. So that's absolutely something we've been working on.

2549
02:26:53,730 --> 02:26:55,530
Yeah, and I talked.

2550
02:26:55,730 --> 02:26:59,130
To Chris because I had some questions about.

2551
02:26:59,250 --> 02:27:01,250
This I love for him to.

2552
02:27:01,330 --> 02:27:02,370
To comment on.

2553
02:27:02,530 --> 02:27:03,810
How he's felt like the.

2554
02:27:04,330 --> 02:27:06,210
Relationship.

2555
02:27:06,930 --> 02:27:09,370
I don't think he, I don't think he is. I don't think he is.

2556
02:27:11,450 --> 02:27:14,610
But I'd love for him to comment on how he feels like this relationship is gone and what he feels like we should do with those

2557
02:27:14,610 --> 02:27:17,770
contractual obligations.

2558
02:27:18,930 --> 02:27:20,210
Because I don't think you would.

2559
02:27:20,330 --> 02:27:21,730
Say to withhold payment on.

2560
02:27:22,250 --> 02:27:23,410
No, but.

2561
02:27:23,490 --> 02:27:24,290
I agree.

2562
02:27:25,610 --> 02:27:30,050
This is council sentiment. Should we invite him back since look, we continued this item already?

2563
02:27:30,770 --> 02:27:31,890
Let's bring him back.

2564
02:27:32,290 --> 02:27:33,330
Next week, yeah.

2565
02:27:33,650 --> 02:27:35,730
Invite him to come to work session, it's fine.

2566
02:27:36,900 --> 02:27:38,500
The When does he start the audit?

2567
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:42,140
We don't have a, we don't have a solid date yet. We we need to.

2568
02:27:42,490 --> 02:27:45,850
Negotiate with him at the time we can have a work session to.

2569
02:27:45,930 --> 02:27:48,060
You like to have a kickoff session. He's mentioned that.

2570
02:27:48,170 --> 02:27:48,610
So.

2571
02:27:48,970 --> 02:27:51,660
I actually during the meeting.

2572
02:27:51,770 --> 02:27:53,530
Emailed Chris.

2573
02:27:53,650 --> 02:27:57,860
And and I'm working to arrange a meeting the 1st of next week.

2574
02:27:57,970 --> 02:27:59,250
With Josh.

2575
02:28:00,530 --> 02:28:02,100
To begin those steps.

2576
02:28:03,170 --> 02:28:04,570
I know we agreed that we were going to.

2577
02:28:04,850 --> 02:28:06,130
Higher additional staff.

2578
02:28:06,330 --> 02:28:09,250
And have that coincide with the audit, is that still the?

2579
02:28:09,650 --> 02:28:12,050
Expectation. I know it's the expectation of the Council.

2580
02:28:12,250 --> 02:28:13,860
So what we need to do?

2581
02:28:14,050 --> 02:28:16,660
And we didn't forget on that, I don't think.

2582
02:28:16,770 --> 02:28:19,090
That would be the thing that got continued, I think.

2583
02:28:19,530 --> 02:28:20,690
Oh so.

2584
02:28:21,490 --> 02:28:23,330
We need to have funds.

2585
02:28:23,610 --> 02:28:25,010
Basically put aside.

2586
02:28:25,690 --> 02:28:28,850
To we need to have a through to be able to pay.

2587
02:28:29,290 --> 02:28:32,810
And then we need to have some parameters, the amount.

2588
02:28:33,530 --> 02:28:36,690
How you want to hire them contractor versus?

2589
02:28:37,410 --> 02:28:45,690
Actual employees. So some direction from the council, I think we clarified that as we met with with Jesse Riddle last week before.

2590
02:28:46,130 --> 02:28:47,530
The thing that you're not?

2591
02:28:47,810 --> 02:28:52,010
Remembering though, with this conversation was that before any of this could happen.

2592
02:28:52,130 --> 02:28:54,290
The mayor needed to negotiate with.

2593
02:28:54,930 --> 02:28:58,570
Taxing entities and make sure that we were going to be permitted to have an additional administrative cost to what we've

2594
02:28:58,570 --> 02:29:02,210
previously had.

2595
02:29:03,060 --> 02:29:05,700
So that had to be negotiated, to my understanding.

2596
02:29:05,930 --> 02:29:08,570
For the coming year or for this current fiscal year?

2597
02:29:09,570 --> 02:29:13,250
If, and maybe this is a question, Mr. Daniels, for you.

2598
02:29:13,650 --> 02:29:17,930
Is there a surplus of administrative funds in this fiscal year?

2599
02:29:18,290 --> 02:29:19,850
Yeah, I think there will be some.

2600
02:29:20,530 --> 02:29:22,330
OK. And and I think.

2601
02:29:23,330 --> 02:29:24,210
Yeah, we could. We could.

2602
02:29:24,290 --> 02:29:27,570
Runs a calculation, but I think there's there's capacity.

2603
02:29:27,970 --> 02:29:30,970
And I think depending on the type of staff that you want.

2604
02:29:31,290 --> 02:29:34,730
Um, you know, sort of finance is probably the best.

2605
02:29:35,130 --> 02:29:37,810
So if that's some sort of like payments?

2606
02:29:37,930 --> 02:29:39,090
Analyst or?

2607
02:29:39,170 --> 02:29:43,210
You know somebody in accounts payable or something in that order.

2608
02:29:43,330 --> 02:29:46,020
I don't know that mean we could talk about the particulars of what?

2609
02:29:46,760 --> 02:29:50,500
What you are looking to do and maybe the feedback of the auditor.

2610
02:29:52,090 --> 02:29:52,530
Yeah.

2611
02:29:53,890 --> 02:29:58,090
Working with HR, we came up with a.

2612
02:30:00,410 --> 02:30:01,690
Well, we've worked with.

2613
02:30:02,290 --> 02:30:03,850
Councilmember David Larae.

2614
02:30:05,170 --> 02:30:06,490
We we have a listing.

2615
02:30:06,930 --> 02:30:08,340
Ready to go, We just.

2616
02:30:08,450 --> 02:30:09,450
Needed to know.

2617
02:30:09,970 --> 02:30:12,130
Some particulars. So if.

2618
02:30:12,330 --> 02:30:14,210
If we need to have a vote, could we just?

2619
02:30:14,290 --> 02:30:19,490
Direct that the vote happened next meeting so that there is no vote needed.

2620
02:30:21,170 --> 02:30:22,220
That's a great question.

2621
02:30:23,420 --> 02:30:27,020
We need the budget. I don't think the RDA has budget for additional.

2622
02:30:29,420 --> 02:30:32,820
I guess I mean the money is there but like a budget line item, right?

2623
02:30:33,090 --> 02:30:37,490
There are many different budget items that allocate for this already I saw that.

2624
02:30:37,570 --> 02:30:40,850
There's a lot of money that you're not sure.

2625
02:30:40,930 --> 02:30:44,850
Because it is so flexible and high level the RDA budget. So I think you probably so.

2626
02:30:45,250 --> 02:30:49,210
Now that's the question is if the RDA board is going to hire them or if the city is going to hire.

2627
02:30:49,770 --> 02:30:55,090
The person. The person, both budgets are so high level and flexible that could accommodate it. The mayor could choose.

2628
02:30:55,450 --> 02:31:01,730
I think the idea of the council is the RDA, right? Correction. Yeah, the the previous conversation was that.

2629
02:31:02,170 --> 02:31:04,450
If we were to proceed down this path.

2630
02:31:04,610 --> 02:31:07,490
They would be paid for by the Rda's administrative.

2631
02:31:07,770 --> 02:31:08,450
Cost.

2632
02:31:08,610 --> 02:31:09,730
Or administrative budget.

2633
02:31:09,850 --> 02:31:13,410
And that would be if they're funded by the RDA, they're hired by the RDA board.

2634
02:31:13,770 --> 02:31:16,540
It would be, I would assume separate from the.

2635
02:31:17,410 --> 02:31:19,330
City, right. So that's a really.

2636
02:31:19,410 --> 02:31:23,210
Great question because there is a little bit of an important distinction.

2637
02:31:23,890 --> 02:31:25,010
The administrative.

2638
02:31:25,130 --> 02:31:26,490
Fee that the RDA.

2639
02:31:26,610 --> 02:31:28,970
Deducts, if you will, from our revenue.

2640
02:31:29,130 --> 02:31:31,690
Is typically used to reimburse the city.

2641
02:31:31,970 --> 02:31:32,490
For the.

2642
02:31:32,570 --> 02:31:36,370
Overall overhead administrative cost of running the RDA.

2643
02:31:36,690 --> 02:31:38,210
Which is essentially like.

2644
02:31:38,890 --> 02:31:40,330
The.

2645
02:31:40,970 --> 02:31:43,130
The what do you call it? Like the?

2646
02:31:43,650 --> 02:31:48,930
The prorated, if you will, cost of various elements of city administration. So for example, if you're using 10% of the accounts

2647
02:31:48,930 --> 02:31:54,210
payable capacity, you're covering 10% of accounts payable cost with that administrative fee. So I think you could go either

2648
02:31:54,210 --> 02:31:59,490
direction.

2649
02:32:00,010 --> 02:32:00,620
I think.

2650
02:32:00,730 --> 02:32:06,810
For if you're going to hire somebody that's like a full time in-house staff member, you probably should hire them as a city.

2651
02:32:07,410 --> 02:32:11,970
And have them be a city staffer but be dedicated in their duties to certain RDA.

2652
02:32:12,170 --> 02:32:16,010
Related things. So like if you're looking at somebody maybe like a finance analyst.

2653
02:32:16,810 --> 02:32:17,730
To provide.

2654
02:32:17,850 --> 02:32:20,610
You know, more financial oversight based on, you know.

2655
02:32:20,690 --> 02:32:23,650
New processes that the auditors coming up, you know.

2656
02:32:23,730 --> 02:32:25,100
Recommending or something like that.

2657
02:32:25,170 --> 02:32:25,810
That might be.

2658
02:32:26,130 --> 02:32:27,690
A good synergy for the city.

2659
02:32:27,970 --> 02:32:29,370
It was decided that.

2660
02:32:29,450 --> 02:32:30,490
That meeting that we held.

2661
02:32:30,890 --> 02:32:35,450
With Jesse Riddle and you and I, David Kyle that we would high up.

2662
02:32:35,530 --> 02:32:38,570
Higher up to three advisors at AS.

2663
02:32:38,970 --> 02:32:41,010
Independent contractors and yeah.

2664
02:32:41,090 --> 02:32:45,370
And and they would they would build up to up to 20 hours a week, no more than.

2665
02:32:45,650 --> 02:32:49,250
At the rate was that was negotiated with him and we had a cap for that.

2666
02:32:49,490 --> 02:32:50,850
So, and that's just.

2667
02:32:51,210 --> 02:32:52,530
I mean if as everyone.

2668
02:32:53,360 --> 02:32:58,080
On board. Yeah, I'm actually, I'm frustrated with the way that that was just phrased, David, because that's a decision that has to

2669
02:32:58,080 --> 02:33:02,800
be made by the legislative body and it can't be made outside of.

2670
02:33:03,050 --> 02:33:04,290
A public hearing.

2671
02:33:04,490 --> 02:33:10,875
Right. But that was already the those funds are allocated on the 20252026 budget. That's very high level that's already been

2672
02:33:10,875 --> 02:33:17,260
approved. So we don't have to change it arguing that there's a line item for it, I'm I'm saying.

2673
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:19,550
We never as a.

2674
02:33:20,170 --> 02:33:22,130
Governing body or as the RDA board?

2675
02:33:22,250 --> 02:33:23,490
Actually had.

2676
02:33:23,890 --> 02:33:28,670
A vote to say, are we going to hire? What's that hiring structure going to look like? Is it going to be because we talked about

2677
02:33:28,670 --> 02:33:33,450
doing a Commission versus an Advisory Board?

2678
02:33:33,530 --> 02:33:35,620
We talked about having representation as.

2679
02:33:35,850 --> 02:33:37,850
Each council member would maybe get to.

2680
02:33:37,970 --> 02:33:41,490
Bring somebody to the table that they could have an advisor in place now.

2681
02:33:41,610 --> 02:33:44,620
This is the first time I've ever heard of three people.

2682
02:33:44,930 --> 02:33:46,450
So the mayor was.

2683
02:33:46,730 --> 02:33:47,730
Was asked.

2684
02:33:47,810 --> 02:33:49,170
If he could have 1/3.

2685
02:33:49,250 --> 02:33:51,650
In a meeting and I I had no issue with that.

2686
02:33:51,930 --> 02:33:53,490
It was just a meeting with me and I think.

2687
02:33:53,810 --> 02:33:54,650
David Larae.

2688
02:33:55,010 --> 02:34:00,660
And because the money in the budget and this is not a director level position, it wouldn't come to us. They're just.

2689
02:34:00,810 --> 02:34:02,490
Staff employees and we don't.

2690
02:34:02,610 --> 02:34:07,990
We don't approve sure staff, this was supposed to be administrative decision. Yeah. So it's because it is just a lower, I'm not

2691
02:34:07,990 --> 02:34:13,370
calling lower level, but like because it's not a director, the money is in the budget.

2692
02:34:13,690 --> 02:34:15,650
And it's just an employee we did.

2693
02:34:15,770 --> 02:34:19,370
Asked the mayor, and I believe he was. We don't need to have a vote.

2694
02:34:20,410 --> 02:34:26,210
To have it, but that's why I asked him. I said if we need as long as we have direction from the whole council of.

2695
02:34:26,450 --> 02:34:30,530
The way you want to go if you want us just to hire these people.

2696
02:34:30,610 --> 02:34:32,930
Like we were open. We thought it would be.

2697
02:34:33,330 --> 02:34:35,930
Better to have more than less and have.

2698
02:34:36,610 --> 02:34:37,250
Right, less.

2699
02:34:38,210 --> 02:34:40,940
Just to have more of a committee versus.

2700
02:34:42,990 --> 02:34:48,340
It was basically to get maximum input, so that was just our suggestion we.

2701
02:34:48,490 --> 02:34:52,610
We were happy to facilitate whatever decision the City Council wants to make.

2702
02:34:53,740 --> 02:34:56,780
Do you want to put a vote on for the next City Council meeting to?

2703
02:34:57,010 --> 02:34:59,570
If we want to vote or we can do it informally, I don't care.

2704
02:34:59,930 --> 02:35:02,810
How do you want? How do you handle a partner? I'd love to see a.

2705
02:35:02,890 --> 02:35:04,650
Proposal from Chris. I think he like.

2706
02:35:04,890 --> 02:35:10,490
Or the auditor for the RDA, maybe he might have an idea of what a structure this is not part of the audit. Their staff within the

2707
02:35:10,490 --> 02:35:16,090
city, they're going to be watching, correct? But I think not.

2708
02:35:16,210 --> 02:35:17,330
The point is.

2709
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:23,460
He Chris previously had mentioned that he felt like there was room in the RDA to have.

2710
02:35:23,570 --> 02:35:26,130
Correct. He wanted additional people involved.

2711
02:35:26,210 --> 02:35:31,930
Correct. What What I think Councilmember Nair is advocating for is can we get his?

2712
02:35:32,250 --> 02:35:35,850
Actual recommendation on what that staffing or structure looks like.

2713
02:35:35,930 --> 02:35:39,090
Is that an accurate representation? We've already talked to him about it.

2714
02:35:39,210 --> 02:35:40,930
We addressed it right.

2715
02:35:41,330 --> 02:35:42,290
I would love to see it.

2716
02:35:42,370 --> 02:35:45,750
Well written recommendation that we can write, but we addressed it and we had, we had a decision. Apparently nothing, no action

2717
02:35:45,750 --> 02:35:49,130
was taken after that.

2718
02:35:49,210 --> 02:35:50,130
But is that fair?

2719
02:35:50,410 --> 02:35:54,930
David Larae and I both sit on the RDA committee that was created, so that's why.

2720
02:35:55,290 --> 02:35:56,970
In meeting with the mayor.

2721
02:35:57,050 --> 02:36:00,690
That's why we didn't hold a vote. Now we could as a committee, we could bring it back towards a vote. I think that's the purpose

2722
02:36:00,690 --> 02:36:04,330
of the committee is to bring it back to the council. All right, so let's next week we can do that, Put the formal thing and we'll

2723
02:36:04,330 --> 02:36:07,970
vote.

2724
02:36:08,730 --> 02:36:10,170
Next week's artwork session, but.

2725
02:36:11,810 --> 02:36:15,970
Yeah. Or give direction after we put the guidance of.

2726
02:36:16,050 --> 02:36:18,460
So do you want to give direction tonight?

2727
02:36:18,690 --> 02:36:23,250
If we hiring let's I mean, I don't understand why we couldn't give the direction. We we asked for two-part time and then the mayor

2728
02:36:23,250 --> 02:36:27,810
said a third. He didn't distinguish who he.

2729
02:36:27,850 --> 02:36:32,980
Threw it up and said somebody in the school district with a background, he threw someone from the state in a different background.

2730
02:36:33,050 --> 02:36:37,650
We in working with the auditor who distinguished some backgrounds and.

2731
02:36:38,330 --> 02:36:41,810
I don't remember the titles of what they did on the contractor side.

2732
02:36:42,170 --> 02:36:47,410
We had conversations with Chris about it and he's the biggest thing is, is when the audit is is performed.

2733
02:36:47,530 --> 02:36:49,690
Going and Chris being all by himself.

2734
02:36:50,370 --> 02:36:53,610
Having additional staff to go through and get.

2735
02:36:54,410 --> 02:36:58,900
Knowledge would be very important. And so that's where it aligned and I don't think anybody.

2736
02:36:59,050 --> 02:36:59,650
Is.

2737
02:37:00,090 --> 02:37:02,140
Detracting from that argument.

2738
02:37:02,770 --> 02:37:05,130
My position on this is it's.

2739
02:37:05,250 --> 02:37:08,290
And look, maybe unpopular opinion with some.

2740
02:37:08,530 --> 02:37:11,250
It is falling in line with the same.

2741
02:37:11,850 --> 02:37:13,780
We're doing something.

2742
02:37:13,890 --> 02:37:17,370
In such a manner that I don't think it is the most transparent practice.

2743
02:37:17,650 --> 02:37:19,770
It should come back to the Council and I think.

2744
02:37:19,890 --> 02:37:21,010
Look over the last.

2745
02:37:21,370 --> 02:37:24,530
2 council meetings and I know that this was a big a big.

2746
02:37:24,770 --> 02:37:29,170
Point of frustration for the mayor and for his staff and for the employees in the city.

2747
02:37:29,690 --> 02:37:30,530
Where?

2748
02:37:31,210 --> 02:37:32,610
We are.

2749
02:37:33,330 --> 02:37:35,890
We're doing things in such a manner.

2750
02:37:36,840 --> 02:37:38,440
That it's not.

2751
02:37:38,970 --> 02:37:41,490
It but the handcuffing.

2752
02:37:41,570 --> 02:37:47,010
Right. But the mayor obliged to do this administratively. So we said, OK, great, let's just let's just.

2753
02:37:47,090 --> 02:37:51,490
And that's that's fine. But if he doesn't want to do it, then here's I agree with you like.

2754
02:37:51,610 --> 02:37:56,330
Then we have to make it and I can't speak for him to say if he wants to or doesn't want to do it. What I'm saying is.

2755
02:37:56,890 --> 02:38:01,890
Over the last couple council meetings we've essentially prevented him from doing things unilaterally.

2756
02:38:02,410 --> 02:38:04,970
We have tried very hard to maintain.

2757
02:38:05,130 --> 02:38:09,335
Authority in the Council so that things are brought into a public session and brought into a public meeting. We can present them

2758
02:38:09,335 --> 02:38:13,540
in front of everybody, we can get public feedback.

2759
02:38:13,690 --> 02:38:16,490
And this is something that isn't being done in that way.

2760
02:38:16,610 --> 02:38:18,490
So my advocacy is.

2761
02:38:18,690 --> 02:38:24,860
Let's bring it into the work session next week. Let's invite Chris to come and present on what he thinks the best practices are.

2762
02:38:24,970 --> 02:38:27,210
And let's actually make it a voting item.

2763
02:38:27,330 --> 02:38:29,890
So that there can be public feedback on those things.

2764
02:38:30,770 --> 02:38:31,780
I just don't want.

2765
02:38:31,970 --> 02:38:34,290
And and maybe it's my fault for for.

2766
02:38:34,690 --> 02:38:36,460
I shouldn't be projecting for the mayor.

2767
02:38:36,970 --> 02:38:40,690
Like the with the fee schedule I don't want them to be in a position.

2768
02:38:40,930 --> 02:38:43,570
Where they can be accused of favoritism.

2769
02:38:43,890 --> 02:38:46,530
Or that they're hiring their friends. Or that they're so.

2770
02:38:46,610 --> 02:38:50,770
That's where I think having a committee, having the panel, having that involved in public.

2771
02:38:51,050 --> 02:38:55,410
Is the best practice when it comes to hiring because this is a huge ordeal when it comes to.

2772
02:38:55,530 --> 02:38:56,650
The money, the budget.

2773
02:38:56,770 --> 02:38:59,130
The implications long term.

2774
02:39:00,450 --> 02:39:05,370
I just want to move it forward, so I'm happy to do it. And if that's the most transparent way, let's do it that way.

2775
02:39:06,090 --> 02:39:07,810
Yeah, I think the patients from.

2776
02:39:08,690 --> 02:39:11,570
I think it's been 7 weeks where he's tried to either go.

2777
02:39:11,650 --> 02:39:13,530
Is the administrative or legislative?

2778
02:39:13,690 --> 02:39:15,890
And so it's like the mayor said he would.

2779
02:39:16,010 --> 02:39:20,850
If he says no, then let's do it legislatively. But if he says I'm good and wants to do it?

2780
02:39:21,130 --> 02:39:22,730
I just don't want to handcuff him either.

2781
02:39:22,850 --> 02:39:25,610
Right. So whichever 1.

2782
02:39:26,340 --> 02:39:28,740
So let's make sure the mayor's involved at the work session.

2783
02:39:28,810 --> 02:39:31,820
And we get what he actually thinks is the best practice that he wants to do.

2784
02:39:32,010 --> 02:39:38,810
OK. And then we'll vote and it'll be a legislative decision. Can we, I can do that and and look, is there any opposition?

2785
02:39:39,960 --> 02:39:41,860
Because we're essentially talking about it now.

2786
02:39:42,090 --> 02:39:43,770
This is public. It's in the minutes.

2787
02:39:43,970 --> 02:39:47,690
Somebody watching us on the recording right now. What's up? Recording home viewer?

2788
02:39:51,330 --> 02:39:52,410
All of us are going to go.

2789
02:39:52,530 --> 02:39:53,770
You know I share my notes.

2790
02:39:53,850 --> 02:39:58,330
Every Wednesday morning on what happened in City Council. I know a lot of you guys do the same.

2791
02:39:58,610 --> 02:39:59,090
So.

2792
02:39:59,610 --> 02:40:01,130
This will get out now.

2793
02:40:01,210 --> 02:40:05,050
It will be discussed, we will collect feedback. That's just how it happens.

2794
02:40:05,450 --> 02:40:08,690
If we are in a good spot with the work session next week.

2795
02:40:08,770 --> 02:40:11,670
And the mayor says, hey, no, I'm really comfortable doing this as an administrative thing. I think that's the best practice,

2796
02:40:11,670 --> 02:40:14,570
Chris.

2797
02:40:14,690 --> 02:40:16,170
If he's agreeing with that.

2798
02:40:16,690 --> 02:40:17,650
Can we?

2799
02:40:18,460 --> 02:40:20,420
Also notice it as the business item.

2800
02:40:20,810 --> 02:40:22,090
To adjourn.

2801
02:40:22,170 --> 02:40:25,770
Reconvene as an RDA board and vote. Would that be comfortable with you all?

2802
02:40:26,290 --> 02:40:28,580
I'm just saying, how do we not handcuff them?

2803
02:40:28,730 --> 02:40:29,610
Is that possible?

2804
02:40:30,010 --> 02:40:34,330
Sure, possible that was. That was like the going standard of the previous.

2805
02:40:34,410 --> 02:40:36,610
Council, I think.

2806
02:40:38,730 --> 02:40:41,450
We might just have to notice it as a regular meeting.

2807
02:40:41,850 --> 02:40:46,610
But I know we can make that change. Like I know our schedule says it's a work session, but we can.

2808
02:40:46,930 --> 02:40:51,150
Well, but even all work sessions are is City Council meetings that you're only doing a work session in. So it would just still be

2809
02:40:51,150 --> 02:40:55,370
a notice City Council meeting.

2810
02:40:55,450 --> 02:40:55,970
Correct.

2811
02:40:56,210 --> 02:40:58,370
Is there any actual change on your end?

2812
02:40:58,610 --> 02:40:59,530
And it needs to be addressed.

2813
02:41:02,030 --> 02:41:03,620
Correct, but is there any any?

2814
02:41:04,130 --> 02:41:06,370
Difficulty or issue if we were to say.

2815
02:41:06,450 --> 02:41:07,090
Hey, look.

2816
02:41:07,290 --> 02:41:09,170
We want to just put that on as a.

2817
02:41:09,250 --> 02:41:11,930
Safety net, Maybe we can do it if there's a consensus.

2818
02:41:13,480 --> 02:41:14,360
You know, we just have to.

2819
02:41:14,810 --> 02:41:19,530
And let's just let them know a couple days in advance or whatever. Three days in advance, yeah, to make sure.

2820
02:41:19,610 --> 02:41:21,490
How he's feeling on that too, Yeah.

2821
02:41:21,970 --> 02:41:24,050
Because if he says, hey, I'm not into that.

2822
02:41:24,330 --> 02:41:26,650
Then it's a non issue anyways, yeah.

2823
02:41:28,530 --> 02:41:29,890
Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine with that.

2824
02:41:30,090 --> 02:41:30,810
I think uh, uh.

2825
02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:35,180
I think we've covered the cover, the bases there. It's after 8.

2826
02:41:35,730 --> 02:41:38,650
Yeah, it's way after eight. I was looking at my watch. I said at 8:00 I should just continue this and then we have this RDA stuff,

2827
02:41:38,650 --> 02:41:41,570
but.

2828
02:41:41,930 --> 02:41:43,370
We have Mr. Daniels here.

2829
02:41:43,970 --> 02:41:46,050
What other questions do you guys have?

2830
02:41:48,730 --> 02:41:49,860
And this is not.

2831
02:41:50,170 --> 02:41:54,610
As much for you as it is for Evan, I just want to in the work session. I would love to see like.

2832
02:41:55,450 --> 02:42:00,210
Where we're at with the budget, with our spending. So I got a snapshot of like what the budget numbers were.

2833
02:42:00,850 --> 02:42:02,370
I just want to know, like, where we're at?

2834
02:42:02,450 --> 02:42:03,570
Spending each of those.

2835
02:42:04,530 --> 02:42:07,570
Buckets and staffing plan as well. I know we've.

2836
02:42:07,970 --> 02:42:09,890
Hired staff, gotten rid of staff so.

2837
02:42:10,610 --> 02:42:12,890
We can have that ready square there the work session.

2838
02:42:12,970 --> 02:42:13,570
Perfect.

2839
02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:16,380
Jake. Good, good.

2840
02:42:16,490 --> 02:42:19,010
Good, good. Do I need to do anything special to adjourn?

2841
02:42:19,850 --> 02:42:22,370
Somebody sure, please.

2842
02:42:23,090 --> 02:42:24,010
I move, we adjourn.

2843
02:42:24,650 --> 02:42:29,410
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're going to. Yeah. Let him make his comment.

2844
02:42:30,010 --> 02:42:33,290
I'll be very fast. Nate Hutchinson again, I just wanted to state.

2845
02:42:33,850 --> 02:42:37,050
From an RDA budget perspective, we're happy to sit down.

2846
02:42:37,130 --> 02:42:38,410
With the RDA.

2847
02:42:38,850 --> 02:42:41,130
Group as well to start saying what should.

2848
02:42:41,910 --> 02:42:43,350
How would you like to?

2849
02:42:43,490 --> 02:42:44,930
Prioritize the future budget.

2850
02:42:45,090 --> 02:42:47,740
Whether that's cleanup, whether that's some infrastructure.

2851
02:42:47,890 --> 02:42:50,910
You know, there's, there's all these different needs and there's currently some funding that will be available over the next

2852
02:42:50,910 --> 02:42:53,930
couple of years.

2853
02:42:54,040 --> 02:42:56,720
You know, we have this big lump sum that's due this year.

2854
02:42:57,400 --> 02:43:00,440
And then it's going to be much more steady state moving forward.

2855
02:43:00,520 --> 02:43:05,970
Other than environmental cleanup, but we would love to sit down with you guys so that we're not just kind of in the dark.

2856
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:07,600
Coming up with those plans.

2857
02:43:07,880 --> 02:43:11,605
We'd like to, I mean, we have our own ideas so that we're not just spending endless time doing this, but we'd love to sit down

2858
02:43:11,605 --> 02:43:15,330
with whoever would want to do that on your side.

2859
02:43:15,480 --> 02:43:18,160
To prioritize what the things you'd like to see.

2860
02:43:18,320 --> 02:43:19,840
Could I ask has that?

2861
02:43:19,880 --> 02:43:21,290
Been something that's occurred with.

2862
02:43:21,400 --> 02:43:26,565
Previous city councils where they've given you direction for what they're doing for budget. Yeah. So, so we have an annual RDA

2863
02:43:26,565 --> 02:43:31,730
requirement. We actually were meeting weekly. So I mean, it was kind of like.

2864
02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:34,640
Constantly like what projects need to be done?

2865
02:43:34,840 --> 02:43:37,960
There was a weekly meeting that occurred and then we would come and.

2866
02:43:38,360 --> 02:43:43,840
And and talk to the board periodically as as things were larger and public updates, et cetera. But happy this isn't necessarily a

2867
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:49,320
requirement of the agreement, but this is something that we just.

2868
02:43:49,560 --> 02:43:51,480
Want to do in good faith of saying like.

2869
02:43:51,560 --> 02:43:56,400
Let's prioritize this together if we want to, you know, expedite some of the cleanup on the east side.

2870
02:43:56,480 --> 02:43:58,240
See how much budgets available and.

2871
02:43:58,480 --> 02:44:01,840
You know how much more additional dollars we're willing to put into some of these projects.

2872
02:44:02,400 --> 02:44:05,340
Help prioritize these. So just wanted to put that on the record and for you guys in your minds that we're happy to go through that

2873
02:44:05,340 --> 02:44:08,280
process with you.

2874
02:44:08,360 --> 02:44:10,650
Thank you. One more thing for the record too, I just want to.

2875
02:44:11,000 --> 02:44:13,840
Thank you guys, I work with a lot of developers at the county.

2876
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:14,840
And.

2877
02:44:14,920 --> 02:44:17,160
I don't know of a single one who would be OK.

2878
02:44:17,800 --> 02:44:19,720
Like waiting this long for.

2879
02:44:20,120 --> 02:44:22,000
A giant payment of that magnitude.

2880
02:44:22,120 --> 02:44:23,480
So I think we all want to.

2881
02:44:23,800 --> 02:44:26,160
Keep that good relationship and make sure we're.

2882
02:44:26,240 --> 02:44:27,970
Working in the best interests of the city so.

2883
02:44:28,040 --> 02:44:29,600
So thank you for affording us that.

2884
02:44:29,960 --> 02:44:31,600
Mr. Pierce, do you have a comment?

2885
02:44:35,160 --> 02:44:36,800
David Pierce, President.

2886
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:41,400
I I want to make the assumption and I think I'm correct.

2887
02:44:41,640 --> 02:44:43,200
That whomever.

2888
02:44:43,280 --> 02:44:43,920
Is.

2889
02:44:44,080 --> 02:44:45,960
Hire or contract that.

2890
02:44:46,630 --> 02:44:47,890
To assist with.

2891
02:44:48,040 --> 02:44:49,960
With work with the RDA.

2892
02:44:51,240 --> 02:44:52,440
Is qualified.

2893
02:44:52,880 --> 02:44:56,040
And I've been watching the Pit.

2894
02:44:56,240 --> 02:44:57,720
TV series about.

2895
02:44:58,080 --> 02:44:59,360
You know, medical thing.

2896
02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:00,320
And.

2897
02:45:00,800 --> 02:45:01,960
Now I can spend.

2898
02:45:02,320 --> 02:45:03,320
Three weeks.

2899
02:45:03,560 --> 02:45:06,320
In an operating room.

2900
02:45:06,680 --> 02:45:09,960
That doesn't mean that I should do operations.

2901
02:45:10,080 --> 02:45:10,800
In the future.

2902
02:45:11,400 --> 02:45:12,480
Or I can be of.

2903
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:17,000
That doesn't mean I should be a heart surgeon.

2904
02:45:18,100 --> 02:45:20,340
If if someone is a.

2905
02:45:21,160 --> 02:45:24,440
Family or Consumer Financial?

2906
02:45:24,880 --> 02:45:25,880
Instructor.

2907
02:45:28,080 --> 02:45:29,090
I would prefer.

2908
02:45:29,200 --> 02:45:30,040
Personally.

2909
02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:32,440
As a citizen.

2910
02:45:32,600 --> 02:45:34,320
To have someone.

2911
02:45:34,720 --> 02:45:35,800
Who is skilled?

2912
02:45:35,920 --> 02:45:37,040
And trained.

2913
02:45:38,120 --> 02:45:41,000
In government financing.

2914
02:45:41,080 --> 02:45:42,920
Or land use development.

2915
02:45:43,040 --> 02:45:44,080
Financing.

2916
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:46,840
Or even just land use.

2917
02:45:47,280 --> 02:45:52,160
Rather than someone else who may have experience on the periphery.

2918
02:45:52,640 --> 02:45:55,320
Or whose chief qualification is just.

2919
02:45:55,560 --> 02:45:57,160
That he is hung in there.

2920
02:45:57,520 --> 02:45:59,320
For a period of time.

2921
02:45:59,440 --> 02:46:00,320
That would be.

2922
02:46:00,520 --> 02:46:01,600
My assumption?

2923
02:46:01,960 --> 02:46:02,720
So thank you.

2924
02:46:03,520 --> 02:46:04,720
Yeah. Thank you. The best.

2925
02:46:06,280 --> 02:46:07,080
Anything else?

2926
02:46:07,560 --> 02:46:09,280
Going once, going twice.

2927
02:46:10,000 --> 02:46:12,160
Oh, David, you got to make a motion, she says.

2928
02:46:12,840 --> 02:46:14,160
I move, we adjourn.

2929
02:46:14,960 --> 02:46:15,640
I second it.

2930
02:46:16,200 --> 02:46:17,040
All in favor.

2931
02:46:18,400 --> 02:46:19,120
Go home.

2932
02:46:29,220 --> 02:46:29,890
Which time?