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Then they it went back down. This year
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projects still require 20%. Which is
what the buses um require. So in past

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years we have always tied service to the
purchase of buses. Um that typically is

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on a five to sevenyear cycle dependent
upon the size of the bus. Um Wash's bus

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is the smaller one that we have. So,
it's cost 400 and that is typically five

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to six years. Um, but it's weighted. It
it's based on miles, um, the condition

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of the bus, repairs,
um, different things like that. And then

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Mindbot comes back and says, "We're
going to approve 15 buses this year."

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And so once they open it, everybody has
to submit what vehicles you're looking

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to be replaced. And then everybody's
gets ranked. So, even if you put it in,

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doesn't mean you're going to get it.
When COVID hit, we went through a 5year

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span where we didn't get any buses at
all. Um, so we had communities that had

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been expecting buses that never never
came and what does anybody do when they

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have money that they don't spend, they
spend it. Um, and so and we did the same

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thing. So, um, it really puts everybody
in a bind. Um so that's why we have

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chosen we are no longer tying the
service to buses. It is um basically a

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fee for service. So every community that
we operate in um will be contributing

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every year. So it is a set amount of
money that you everybody can count on

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get it in your budget rather than you
know five years ago when a bus came in

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it was barely $100,000. new buses that
we're looking at for next year um are

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about 215,000 for that they actually
just worked out the contract. So they're

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looking at the base level about 175,000
for advis 400. So they were able to to

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work with our our um vendors and get
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I mean that's a pretty substantial um
and if you're looking at 20% that that's

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a big chunk of change. So, we had
communities that um got three buses in

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and that when you're not counting on it
um you know and you take the buses when

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you haven't got a new bus in 5 years um
and we have at our peak we have 22 buses

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on the road um throughout our community.
So, and we had we have 31 in our fleet.

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So, when you have none and then all of a
sudden you get them in you really don't

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want to turn them. So um that is where
theou comes into play. Uh we are looking

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at as we had mentioned um when we met
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Emily we are looking at some
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smaller uh van type. One of the issues
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is the big buses can't turn around. they
there's it really the new buses are

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really nice but the turning radius is
even worse than the the old ones. Um so

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that is something that especially when
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individuals with disabilities mobility
devices they they they can't walk as far

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um and when the bus can't back up
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it's a company policy. We don't allow
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in residential areas just because you
never know what you're going to

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encounter. Um so we have um started
looking into vans. Uh Vindot did uh add

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vans onto the state contract. So um some
of the more rural communities if they

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would like to go away from the bus then
you can purchase a van. They will still

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be handicapped accessible. Um, but we
also just came across another bus um

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that is it's actually it will fit the
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it's on a smaller chassis. It's actually
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just a lot larger. So you can still fit
um it still has the the two um secured

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locations for the the lifts um for the
wheelchairs and and stuff like that. So

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those are pricewise and would be a
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thing that that would do is basically
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area. But neither um actually affects
the theou and the fee um that that we

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are asking uh the city of Wshaw for.
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theou?
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not performed well in use by students or
children in Wshot. I think there's maybe

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going to be a change because our Head
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>> Maybe you can explain that a little bit.

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I think that's maybe an area we could
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» Yep. Yep. And Tracy and I are looking to
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school district so that we can get in
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transportation for the um ski group and
we also this summer we did

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transportation for the summer school to
Lake City. Um but in the past there

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hasn't been a lot of interest for school
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» I think the school district has a policy
that if you have a sibling in school you

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can ride the bus and that's one of the
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four year olds in other districts but
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» And I know too one of the things I
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meeting maybe I can't remember when we
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the DAC times, we're dropping off at DAC
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picking up at 3:00 in the afternoon.
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» Yeah, same as school. So during one of
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» Yes, the middle of the day, we
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was preschool and that's where Yeah. And
that's hard because you know parents a

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lot of times what we find is they say,
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but how am I going to get them home?"
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childcare providers that they could
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remain partially in their care, but the
transitive thing becomes a problem, they

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just ship them off preschool and don't
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even if it's a challenge already for all
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» Yeah. And so it just because we are
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don't get a request from a school and
then when DAC approached us years ago

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and you know hey can you do this well
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of shops. So
any questions for Diane Tracy? Thank you

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guys for clarifying this kind of coming
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us to digest and be you know consistent
with as you know both Carol and I were

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very surprised by the initial reach out
I think we we weren't making you a

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priority not because we want to hear
from you but because we have so many

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priorities and we thought it was more of
a let's get to know your community and

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in reality it's a let's figure out how
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together.
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raised if some of our communities were
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our agreements are all with the cities.
If you guys choose and you want to go to

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the county, um you are certainly welcome
to do that if you want them to to chip

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in. Um
just a kind of a caution that will

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expand the service area. It could it
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they're going to contribute then they
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to go and right now everything is kind
of based um when we're in the dialer

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communities it's not really distance
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we don't like to tell anybody no so is
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potentially that might mean um you know
go farther that way or

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this way. So, um if there's anything
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front, if you want specific statistics
or anything like that, by all means,

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reach out and um you know, we can try to
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» Yeah, I don't recall the county ever
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assistance for our clients."
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» be a hard pitch if they feel like
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» Yeah. There's um agencies that have a
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funding from their counties um than
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» thank you. We appreciate you recognize
the the new uh model, I guess, and we

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look forward to the new vehicles. And I
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that might be a little bit more flexible
for that. That's the only complaint I do

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hear is sometimes, well, they can't come
into my driveway or they can't come

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quite to the curb and why can't they?
So, you know, or you have to drop a

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three-year-old off half a block from
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wants. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And that's, you know, if we do

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look at a smaller vehicle like a van, it
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we always have spare vehicles in our
fleet, but we don't want to go purchase

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a a brand new van specifically for here.
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if the ridership all of a sudden doubled
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going to be accessible. It's not gonna
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time. So, um, thank you. Well, so we're
going to discuss this later in the

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meeting. So you guys are free to hang
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probably I think if anyone had a
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» yeah, we'll just get out of your
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» All right. Now we will take public
comment. If you are online, if anybody

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online, if you're online or present here
at city hall, you can uh join us in the

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podium. State your name and residence
for the record and let us know a couple

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minutes of your thoughts.
>> Hi Kate. Hi. and KPS 234 street. Um I've

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got comments but also questions on two
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really is on um

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the sidewalk administration and I and I
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um ordinance um and I don't really know
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should take a sign your survey and
broadly speaking to residents when they

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charge additional fees. Okay, no one
wants to charge an additional fee for

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anything. you know that that's a given.
But if we all walk on our streets and we

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all use our streets, we're going to eat
the steak. We should in charge of the

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state.
Second thing is with this new news

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ordinance, once we get that put
together, please help us support

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Caroline. So when she says I need to
have an ordinance so that I can enforce

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them and cross, I feel so strongly about
that. We have to help her. We have to

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have courage.
We just woke up at one of the coolest

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hidden gems along the river and I wanted
to wait. I don't know if you saw it saw

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it um come through. It actually came
through uh Instagram feed. The second

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thing that I don't know and Tonyy's not
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I don't know this so this is help me
understand. Um he's asking for

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additional monies owed from the port
authority to the general fund up to

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400,000. Okay. There's it listed right
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greater.
>> Okay. Tyler is here. Yeah.

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» Tyler can help. Okay. What I don't
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don't want to get myself or my company
into big debt because it's hard to get

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out of, but where are the revenue
streams that will come through to help

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him or is this are we doing this because
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funding or grants?
>> Yeah, it helps us get funding for the

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bar terminal projects or does generate
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» Do you feel really confident we would be
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period of time?
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» So, this is like a no this is like a
no-brainer.

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Y you can stay for that part agenda if
you want to have hear it discussed

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further but yeah okay
>> part of it just to get very nuanced we

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have grants that that cover a lot of it
but the grants are requiring that they

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see the funds on hand so
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» they're basically requiring us to show
that we're in a good financial position

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to accept the grant that make you happy
>> you know I'm all about them

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» thank you K um was there oh the sidewalk
d that'll be a discussion because Dean

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uh brought that up as a desire to kind
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we've got a pony's lived experience of
surveying people and checking to see

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whether their sidewalk is intact
generating a lot of frustrated residents

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um sort of like what are you messing
with me for or or allowing it to

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continue to be complaint driven which I
don't think is a broken system. So we'll

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talk about that later if you want to
stay for that discussion on that. It'll

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be in the YouTube.
>> Thank you. Yeah.

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» And was that it? Yeah.

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I'm Jack Burns 34 on Drive. Uh I'm
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her new ones have been licensed since
the August meeting.

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» We did it more.
>> Yeah, but it wasn't effective until

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Yeah. We're still in process.
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» three or four I could pull it up.
Anybody Anybody that was

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» I just I put in a building information
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today. So that's what I was wor.
>> Yeah.

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» When did you put it in?
>> Like 1:30.

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» Yeah. She wouldn't have had time to get
it back to you right away.

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» Okay, that's fine. I just figured I'd
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» In their licensing portion on the city.
He's asking how many registered. Oh, I

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can pull up the spreadsheet, but
anyways, it wasn't crazy, but people

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definitely registered.
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» Um,
>> so when would that compiled information

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be able to be publicly available?
>> Did we agree to do that yet?

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I think the main thing is we have no
issue, I personally have no issue like

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publishing addresses, but we didn't want
to do like names, emails, and contact

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information
because of we don't want them to get

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solicited online. So then you have to go
through a information.

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» Yeah, I just was wondering like just
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she got scammed with people registering
today. So I'm sure she'll get back to

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you. She's really good at it. It's just
they're just not saying

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» needs a little bit of time. Yeah.
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without information being available. So,
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tomorrow.
>> Okay. No, I I mean I talked to her

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today. I just think it would be
worthwhile for you guys to see what the

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delay, you know, came up as cuz you had
it as a resolution that was supposed to

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take effect last month and you delayed a
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because the realtors asked for it, but I
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the outcome. Uh, so I'd be curious to
see what happens there. And then I guess

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to follow up on that, what are the next
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rental ordinance? What are the next
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» We'll conduct the study and that'll
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planning and zoning staff. Christy
Trrisco will head that up. So that was

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what we adopted as our resolution is to
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moratorum and further study the issue.
So I don't know when Christy plans to

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begin that.
>> Yeah. Um we'd encourage everyone to

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you know attend the next planning
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summarize her research and she's
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So she's just going to present kind of
research what other communities are

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doing on this issue and get some general
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that on the 16th
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would be on the
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» I haven't seen the agenda will get
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» Okay. Um,
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» so it's not going to be anything
analysis of our actual community

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demographics of it. It's going to be
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» both. I think
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would assume over the next two or three
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to be all instantly done tomorrow, next
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» no, I'm not I'm not saying it'll be
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» steps that are happening because it's
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know initiated
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now. So those caught up properties were
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» yesterday.
>> Okay. Yeah. First and then the next

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planning meeting will be this 9th.
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body which is how big that works. Plan
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guessing she'll be looking for some
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she's presents. How do you kind of how
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that planning body will share with
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council will see if we agree with what
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usually I would say we would spend two
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commission and then present something to
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» solar would most recent solar been the
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» yeah yeah and then we did basically that
we just kind of studied what other

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communities did studied what we have
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capacity. What do we really want to do?
Do we not even want to touch it? Um all

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in steps. So that will be over the next
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» I would say by see so September,
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have some recommendations. Probably
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it back to planning for final
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» And those planning meetings are just
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» Yeah. Okay. Does the input only come
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» You can send anything right now.
>> So if you want to send Wendy or Krispy

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or even I send an email if you have
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» Um
>> I'm assuming with there's changes

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there'll be a public hearing too. So you
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will open up the public, but
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still have public comment like this. So
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» writing, you know, in writing or in
person. Doing a quick by hand count of

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the latest spreadsheet updated today.
I'm counting five new registrations

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» August.
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
>> I think about what we what we expected.

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» Yeah, we expected three or four. So,
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» All right. Well, that's fair. She want
to understand. Thank you so much.

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» Thank you. Any other public comment
bill here? Anybody on?

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» No. Okay. Hearing no further public
comment. Uh, I'm not going to uh Well,

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first of all, any changes or additions
to the agenda? Do we need to move

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anything around?
>> We just added something at the last

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minute 107. And just to avoid confusion
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that's added last minute. We're not
putting it any

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see it. All right, sounds good.
>> Hearing nothing further. We'll keep our

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agenda the way it is on the current
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» Um, and I'm not going to make
presentation. We have plenty to discuss

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tonight, but um you know, I think we all
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Um really desiring to get up and running
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was completed this this summer. And
unfortunately, if you haven't heard,

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they are delayed due to a mole problem
that apparently um multiple multiple

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schools in the southern region have
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» I heard 21.
>> Wow. So, it's never doesn't really make

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it easier, but to know that you're not
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collaborate and understand some of the
the factors that were at play, but our

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kids really want to well most of our
kids want to get back to school. Some of

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them want to continue to fish all summer
long. So, um that's my presentation. I

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want them to get get back to school. Uh
committee reports for utilities. Did you

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guys meet today?
>> Yeah. Nothing important.

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» Do you want to talk about you and Tyler
want to talk about

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» ports
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Um so at the port authority um we
approved the next um round of drilling

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at the old athletic field for the new
highway. Um so now they do need to do

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kind of additional drilling to site the
new road. Um we received we were on a

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board for approval for a $275,000
grant to that we applied for the port

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did to assist people building new
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And so, um, we're going to create kind
of like the HVAC grant program, our own

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local program, locally administered, but
following their guidelines, um, to help

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people get homes built in WA. Um, sewer
jetting is done. And then, um, anything

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else from Port? I think it was just
like, you know, we're still proceeding

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with permits and pushing things forward.
We expect another fall hall for the Army

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Corps. Sewer jetting is underway and we
received a grant to address um more

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research on um potentially citing wells
if PASS turn out to be an issue, but

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we're still testing if we actually have
PAS concern. Um and then some additional

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testing was completed by the state of
Minnesota health department to see where

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the PAFS in Wabasha may be coming from,
which is going to be good data to have.

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Um, and then just wanted to say that we
posted some pictures from the skate park

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grand opening on our website and
Facebook and we had a great attendance

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and it was kind of a fun event that the
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» participated in.
>> There's a lot of city staff.

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» Here we go. Yeah. And there were way
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Oh,
>> yeah. I got a knack. But um

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» yeah, the Diane was there with the paper
and she was trying to get

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looked at her like we've been we've been
here for four hours today. So it was

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good event. And do you want to share the
little bit of good news with the DNR

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grant or the DNR that you got from we're
expecting good news on the permit?

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» Yeah, just for the port project. Yeah,
we we are expecting hopefully approval

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this on the port the DNR permit. So
that's kind of the last uh

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gonna celebrate. So get that in hand.

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» Um we finished August uh with some Um we
had calls on Sunday. Um we had two two

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backup calls which were we had two
trucks at the same time and we had one

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third call um that we're able to handle
as well. Um we had two hung up flights

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um frogs total we had 101 calls 683 for
the year. We're up 86 calls over this

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point last year. Um, we took 22
transfers. Um, and we're 55% for August,

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which is our best month that we've had.
Um, we had 19 backup calls in August, 81

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total for the year. Um, we only had 68
all of last year. So, we're getting more

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and more calls that we have two rigs out
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Um, we took uh we're at 127 transfers
for the year. We took 119 all of last

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year. Um over the last four months we're
at 400 calls even. So we're averaging

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100 calls a month. Um I just did some
numbers today because I thought it was

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interesting. Um so far this year we've
performed 20 different procedures um a

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total of 573 individual tangs and we've
given 36 different medications

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um 361 individual fangs.
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And then the best news yet, I'm picking
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It's finally coming after like 30 months
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» That's great.
>> Thank you, Ryan. Thank you, on the crew.

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Tony, any streets are park news?

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» Uh, even good evening everyone. Park
board did not meet but it's closed.

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Simple onward an upward to that. We got
some work to do and uh plumbing in there

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that's in the consent agenda.
Uh streets commission met today. We

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talked about the anchor point possible
project out there.

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Discuss city code and then they're going
to kind of go back and see how that

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works in their project. Um and then we
we discussed the lower boatard boatard

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lower arena um expansion on some of
their seasonal units, what you call them

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down there. So we talked about traffic
and different things in the process and

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they went to meet with utilities today,
too. And so they're going to go through

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that process and see where they end up.
Post street storm sewer needs to be

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cleaned out. So I got some bids on that.
Um and that was actually a lot lower

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than I don't know if both of the quotes
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or 7. Another one come in at 33550.
So, we'll go with that one. So, that

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won't have to, you know, you can
Caroline can approve that one.

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» Um, and I give them an update on the
street project. Basically, I think we

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need a decision on the golf course. Um,
whatever the amount's going to be for

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the assessment and just let them know
what the schedule is later this year and

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then, uh, market street will be next
spring. So other than that,

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» okay,
>> I have to say that once you guys go over

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the animal and stuff like that, that
that tar

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it's been very very good.
>> Really nice.

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» I've not seen any chipping or anything
right now. So I think that's a quality

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product that you guys put out.
>> People like it a lot better than those

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rock and chip steel, but it's a little
more expensive. So I got to try and see

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how the budget plays out this winter.
We'll see how it stands out this winter

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with and stuff like that.
>> Thanks, Tony. Planning.

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» How would it be?
>> All right. And

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Caroline, you gave us every report. Do
you have anything? Okay. Okay. So on our

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consent agenda, the full mechanical and
plumbing and a requirement Tony talked

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about this that the budget workshop to
our August 5th regular council minutes,

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the September warrants, the National
Eagle Cent's event permit and temporary

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liquor license for their one-day event
and the August 26th schedule council

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minutes. We have a motion to approve the
consent agenda.

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» I move second motion from Tim, second
from Jean. Any further discussion? All

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those in favor say I. I.
>> Oppose say no.

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» All right. and North public hearing
tonight under general business one we

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have our general obligation improvement
and tax payment bond discussion we have

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Mike here in person welcome Mike
>> I do

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» thanks for being here
>> tell me what I'm supposed to be opening

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» um you know what how about
bomb cash with all the language and the

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letter and so forth so the exhibit
>> yes Okay.

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And this will summarize. Yeah. Let me
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» All right. We can go back.
>> Okay. So, um the council probably

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remembers uh that periodically through
time we've done updates to the city's

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capital financial plan and one of the
projects that was included in that was

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this year's um street utility
improvements. Um we had anticipated, you

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know, a little over $2 million project.
That's where we're at. Um the one

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difference that we're kind of deviating
from is that instead of doing the

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entirety of all of the work in 2025, the
portion of it that will be bid out in

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2026. So it's important to note that
when I'm doing recommendations for the

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sizing of the debt, it's based on bids
and actual known cost for the 25

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portion, but on the engineer estimates
for 26. But in discussing that with

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staff and the engineer, um that felt
like a better strategy than doing two

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separate bond issues because it'll save
you tens of thousands of dollars in

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issuance costs for the for the next um
for next year. Um okay, so a number of

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recommendations have to occur. So first
of all has to do with bond sizing. So in

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the top left, it's hard to read, but
between the

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bid for this year's construction, an
estimate for next year's construction,

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the engineering, and then there's a
total of $78,000 of contingency uh as

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recommended by the engineer that totals
$1,942

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uh in capital costs. We have a variety
of issuance expenses. Um the first one,

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the underwriters compensation. You know,
typically the purchaser of the bond is

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not going to be holding the bond
themselves. They're purchasing it so

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they can piece it up and sell it to
their customers. And they discount how

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much they pay you, but turn around and
sell it for at least the par amount of

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the bonds. And that's how they make
their money. And by rule, we can offer

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discount allowance up to 2%. And so we
want to offer enough discount allowance

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that um it'll garner the interest. So
one4% is pretty typical uh for a bond of

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this size and term. However, um just
rest assured if you're concerned that it

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isn't enough and that we might get
biders to shy away, there's other ways

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for investment banks to make money. And
that is instead of reselling the bonds

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at par to their underlying customers,
they could sell them at a premium. Um,

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and so
that

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premium would generate the cash
necessary to fund their additional

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compensation if needed. Um,
having said that, um, recognize that

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there's probably a likelihood that there
will be a premium sale even if they

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don't need extra compensation. And the
reason being is for the last two three

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00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:29,520
years now it seems like people are
concerned about where interest rates are

408
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:33,919
going to be in the future. And so what
they want to do is pay a premium pay

409
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:38,080
cash to not have these interest rates
that are shown on the bottom of this

410
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:42,720
page but to slap a higher interest rate
on the bonds. And so what we do is we

411
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:48,000
take that cash that premium comes back
to us and we downsize the bond if we if

412
00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:52,480
it's significant. And so at the end of
the day, your payment should be the

413
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:57,360
same. Either you borrow the full amount
at a lower rate or you borrow less at a

414
00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,919
higher rate, the payment should work out
pretty much the same. And so we watch,

415
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:08,559
we keep an eye on that stuff. There's no
way for us to control those shenanigans

416
00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:13,919
on the on the back side. The only way we
kind of indirectly control it is through

417
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,720
a competitive sale. um because every
time they play that game, they're

418
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,240
messing around with the net effective
rate of the bonds and and we're going to

419
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:27,039
award based on the lowest net effective
rate of the bond. So um just recognizing

420
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:32,080
we'll be keeping an eye on that. So the
issuance cost there, the municipal

421
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:37,679
advisor that us uh bond council uh
historically has been the Taff Law. Yep.

422
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:41,840
Uh they were formerly known as Briggs of
Morgan and Mary is still with them.

423
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:47,600
She's worked for you for years. Uh a
paid agent is simply a third party um

424
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:54,320
who tracks all the underlying investors.
So when this thing gets pieced up by

425
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:57,679
parties, they will be the agents that
invoice you for the payment and then

426
00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:03,200
they'll disperse it to all those
underlying people. They will also charge

427
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:09,679
uh an annual servicing fee not shown on
here. It's like $495 a year.

428
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:14,080
uh printing in miscellaneous has to do
with the uh preparation of the official

429
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:17,760
statement which is the disclosure
document we work on and in fact um Tyler

430
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:22,480
I think you're working on city
certificate thank you for that um as

431
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:27,919
well as mileage and all those kinds of
things and then the rating I'm going to

432
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:32,080
encourage the city to pursue a standard
course credit rating because for that

433
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:35,519
$15,000
we're going to get an interest rate

434
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:40,399
that's half a point 3/4 of a point lower
than what we would ordinarily that and

435
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:46,000
that could be seven, eight, nine times
more in interest savings as a result of

436
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:51,200
that really. So, um knowing your
financial position and u past history

437
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,640
with rating, I I think that's a good
idea.

438
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:58,399
All right. So, anyways, you put all that
together, we've got a bond amount of

439
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:02,320
2,15,000.
We expect when you get these bond

440
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:08,079
proceeds, you're going to have them in
an interest bearing account. Um, so we

441
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:13,599
use $4,000 of construction fund earnings
just as a um

442
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:16,960
figure really. Uh, and with the one
portion of the project being delayed to

443
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,879
2026,
it's quite possible that you're going to

444
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:26,879
earn more than the $4,000 shown. But
what I would like to do is have that be

445
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:32,560
to use the term, but gravy because then
you could do the offset income. If that

446
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:40,240
$78,000 contingency isn't enough, it'll
be added. um dollars for you there.

447
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:43,599
Okay. Um now, as far as statutory
authority, you can't just issue that

448
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,720
Minnesota, right? We got to we got a
state which authority we're going to use

449
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:51,440
and whatever that authority is, we have
to follow by those rules. And

450
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:56,399
originally, I thought this was going to
be purely what we call an improvement

451
00:34:53,839 --> 00:35:00,640
bond issued under chapter 429, which is
one that says you will special assess

452
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:06,400
all of the benefiting properties, at
least 20% of the costs. And Caroline, if

453
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:07,760
I could get you to flip to the next
page,

454
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:11,359
» the letter.
>> Oh, yeah.

455
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:14,720
That exhibit.
>> Oh, okay. Sorry.

456
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:18,720
» And just scroll down.
>> Where' it go?

457
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:26,160
» There it is.
>> Okay. The next page.

458
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:29,520
» Yeah. Yep. This one. So,
what you'll see, well, it's hard to see,

459
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,240
but I'm going to just come over here for
a second.

460
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,800
Right here, you're going to have a
summary of the anticipated special

461
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:43,119
assessment roles for each of the 25 and
the 26 projects. If you add those

462
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:47,920
together and compare it, uh it would not
be 20% of the overall project, right?

463
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:52,320
And so what I had to do under this
authority is limit this portion of the

464
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:56,960
bonds so that those assessments
represented the required 20%.

465
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,240
And then what I did is I took all the
remaining costs and moved it into

466
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:06,480
supplemental authority. And in this
case, I'm advising tax evate authority.

467
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:11,680
This, you may not remember this, staff
will remember this. This is the

468
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:16,160
identical strategy we used for our big
project that included the athletic field

469
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:21,839
and the other public infrastructure
project at that time. Um,

470
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,839
now
using tax evading authority, but that

471
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:30,400
requires I saw that
>> sorry

472
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:34,720
loves talking about tax authority.
uh

473
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:38,640
we have to have a public hearing and we
have to identify parcel that benefit. It

474
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:43,520
doesn't have to necessarily even be a
direct benefit. It just have to have

475
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:47,920
some sort of nexus to the project and
then the city taxes on those parcels

476
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:52,720
have to add up to the principal amount
of that portion of the bonds.

477
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:58,240
Thank you. That's that's great. So the
parcels I've identified are down there

478
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:03,520
in the lower in the red area.
the the map has colors where there's

479
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:07,040
work being done around the city, but I
just started down at the bottom. And

480
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,560
there was sufficient city tax support
there that I didn't need to go any

481
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,640
further.
Now, when we do that public hearing,

482
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,680
we'll publish a notice in the paper
saying, "Hey, we're having the tax

483
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,320
hearing. Here's the parcel numbers." And
somebody that knows our parcel number is

484
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:24,400
going to see that and say, "What the
heck is the city doing to me?" And the

485
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:29,440
answer is absolutely nothing. This is a
paper exercise only. And so go back to

486
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:34,240
the exhibit
>> and go to the tax abatement piece

487
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:38,640
which would be like the third page.
Yeah.

488
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:42,480
» You're going to see two columns here.
You're going to see tax levies and and

489
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,599
tax abatement levies. And what I want
you to think of is those are tax

490
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,320
abatement levies. I just want you to
think of them as regular levies. In

491
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:53,440
fact, I want you in your mind you
combine those two columns into into one.

492
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:58,400
Because what happens is when you certify
these levies to the county, they don't

493
00:37:55,839 --> 00:38:02,400
know which parcels. They just spread it
across the entire city. So I'm going to

494
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:07,760
say tonight and then I'm going to say it
again at the public hearing in October.

495
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:11,839
If your parcel is identified, your taxes
don't change. They're not calculated in

496
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:16,800
differently. We're not doing anything to
you that we're not doing to anybody else

497
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:20,560
in the city. Okay? It's simply a legal
mumbo jumbo. And if it wasn't for rules

498
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:24,560
like this, I wouldn't have a job. Okay?
So pretty there's that bonus. All right.

499
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:29,839
Um
so of the two uh authorities a thou a

500
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,880
million70,000 would be under the
improvement authority in chapter 429.

501
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,640
That's the one with the special
assessments and then the remaining

502
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:44,000
$945,000
would be done as tax evaporate authority

503
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:49,839
um for the remainder of the borrowing.
In terms of how many years do we go out?

504
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:58,119
Um I'm showing final maturity February
1st 2042, meaning you'll impact your

505
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:58,119
budgets through taxes payable 2041.

506
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:04,880
It's pretty close to what we had done in
my capital planning worksheets. It's

507
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:09,520
lost by one year simply because of that
movement of the 26 project pushed out.

508
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:15,359
So that final maturity did get pushed
back one more year. Um, but all in all,

509
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,960
uh, based on current market conditions,
we expect

510
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:22,400
payments to be pretty close to what we
had in our planning. So, we're on track

511
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:28,720
is an important.
>> Um, Caroline, you're doing a bad job.

512
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:33,359
Can we go back to the first page?
>> Yeah.

513
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:37,320
» Is this part of your page or not? Let's
go over to the right hand side.

514
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:44,720
Um, couple things to point out. Yeah. up
there and goes, "Right, that's perfect."

515
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,720
If somebody says, "Well, what's the
interest rate?" Let's say someone from

516
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,599
the public says, "What's the interest
rate on the bonds?" And then you show

517
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,880
them these payment schedules and you see
all these different interest rate and so

518
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:56,160
forth. That'll be very confusing. What
we do is we mush all that up together

519
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,880
along with the underwriters discount
allowance, which is considered an

520
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:04,400
interest expense and come up with a net
effective rate and that's that 4.13%.

521
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:10,640
So, if somebody was to ask, that's what
we're projecting. Um, now a month from

522
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:14,079
now, who knows? Um,
rates could go down, rates could go up.

523
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:19,520
I don't know, but that's where we are
right now. And then you're going to see

524
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:25,280
something here. You don't have to move
it, but it says the call option.

525
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:31,520
And then February 1st of 33.
This is something that the council can

526
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:36,400
set, but basically it's a promise not to
prepay or refinance these bonds until a

527
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:40,160
certain date in time. And that's because
when the these investment banks and

528
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:44,000
underwriters bid on the purchase of
these bonds, they don't want you to pay

529
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:47,920
them off next Tuesday. They want to make
sure the investments are going to be

530
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:54,320
good for at least a period of time. Um,
and so what we would like is we could

531
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:57,920
prepay it at any time, no penalties, so
forth, but we'll get dinged huge on

532
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:03,040
interest rate if we don't offer some
sort of protection. So the trick is how

533
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:06,800
far out should we go with that call
option to keep flexibility on the city

534
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:14,119
side but not get tamed on the interest
rate and I would say that this is a

535
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:14,119
decent enough protection.

536
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:21,760
Okay. Um,
and then just in terms of interest rate,

537
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:27,200
uh, one of the nice things about doing a
competitive sale, um, I did consider,

538
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:31,680
you know, maybe we do a direct
bank placement issuance costs are much

539
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:36,640
lower, interest rate be a little higher.
Um, would that be a better option

540
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:39,200
because, you know, staff is going to
Well, they'll remember from the last

541
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:44,400
one, you know, this is a lot of work on
their part. Um, would it be easier to do

542
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:49,599
a bank placement? I just I don't see us
getting a deal that would compete and so

543
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:54,800
it's in the best interest to to go this
route. Um but having said that instead

544
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:59,599
of coming to you tonight with a ready to
go proposal bank offer um what this is

545
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:04,160
going to allow us to do is going to take
a period of time. We wouldn't come back

546
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:08,640
until October 7th. That morning I would
take bids. So we bid it out just like a

547
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:13,040
road project. instead of bidding um you
know so many feet of black top or so so

548
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:16,800
forth we bid the principal amounts and
then they plug in their interest rates

549
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:22,560
and their compensation and then take the
best bid based on that. Um but by

550
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:27,760
delaying till that day
we potentially have a federal reserve

551
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:31,760
action coming up September September
17th I think is we're going to find out

552
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:36,880
if there's a rate cut or not. Um, I
think this Friday there's a jobs report

553
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:40,160
coming out and so the betting was that
there's absolutely going to be a fourth

554
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:47,440
point cut in the middle of September.
Now there's a bunch of people feeling

555
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:52,560
wishy-washy on that. So I had no idea
and uh if somebody tells you they know

556
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:56,720
they're lying. Okay. So, um, but the
benefit is is we'll have that cuz one

557
00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,160
thing if we had done a bank place,
unless I had an offer for you today and

558
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:05,760
you accepted it and then there was a
rate cut, you'd be like, hey, you know,

559
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:10,319
so, um, I think this is probably the
best way to make sure you below the

560
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:15,040
overall cost of borrowing.
Why don't I stop there? Oh. Um, in terms

561
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:18,400
of the revenues, you're going to not
only see the tax levies and tax

562
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:23,359
abatement levies, which you combine for
the purposes of your

563
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:28,000
budgeting. Um, but we do have water as
revenues that are pledged to portion of

564
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:32,640
the bonds. That's right. Consistent with
our planning. Was that water going to

565
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:38,160
make a contribution? So, um, like I
said, I think we're pretty much pretty

566
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,319
close on track with our plan.
>> Thank you.

567
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,760
» That's 10 15 minutes you're never going
to get back. Um

568
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:48,319
» it's clear every time and your memo is
also very helpful. Any questions for my

569
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,920
the memo's in the packet for members of
the public who want to read it?

570
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:54,560
» Two actions tonight. Uh one is a
resolution calling for the public

571
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,599
hearing for that tax evadement I
described. That's all it is. Just

572
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:01,599
calling for public hearing. We'll
request publication on your behalf. Uh

573
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:07,119
and then the other action is a
resolution setting sale date of the

574
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:12,400
bonds. So what that means is on October
7th for your agenda packet, the first

575
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:18,160
thing we need to do is hold the
then we'll approve the abatement.

576
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:22,319
Then we'll talk the bids on the bond and
award the bonds if you're happy with the

577
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:26,720
results. So
and then as well we would close on the

578
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:30,560
funds October 21st.
>> Feels like yesterday.

579
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,599
Any other questions? Otherwise we could
entertain a motion to let's do those

580
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,240
separately. the resolution call for the
public hearing on the approval of tax

581
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:41,599
statement.
>> Move. Both are first by Brian, second by

582
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,520
Tim. Any further discussion? All those
in favor say I.

583
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:49,599
» I. Those say no. And then again, the
resolution providing for the competitive

584
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:55,280
negotiated sale of the $2 million 15,000
$2 million $15,000 obligation

585
00:44:52,079 --> 00:45:00,800
improvement and taxment bond.
>> Thank you, Tim. First by Jean, second by

586
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:06,400
Tim. I look away. First by Jean, second
by Tim. Any further discussion? All

587
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:09,359
those in favor say I. I. Oppos say no.
Thank you, Mike. Your time is very

588
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,720
valuable to us. We do appreciate the
very

589
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:17,839
make it very clear and we look forward
to the hearing and what we learn about.

590
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:23,520
» I'll be in touch with staff.
>> Thank you, too.

591
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:28,640
» All right. Now, we have the uh request
to approve anou. This is related to the

592
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:32,640
presentation to pay $6,000 per year as a
service fee essentially for five years

593
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:35,280
to provide matching funds for the
pre-ervice bus. What they didn't explain

594
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:39,680
and I actually should press them on it
is they're leveraging they kind of said

595
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:43,839
it they're leveraging MDOT funding which
and MDOT funding is now requiring 15%

596
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:49,040
but 20% of lease is leading to sort of
an overall service fee of what they're

597
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:52,960
estimating 6,000 every five.
Anything further or discussion on that

598
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:57,440
item?
>> What are your guys thoughts? Well,

599
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:01,760
» can we assess this every year and not
wait five years or what?

600
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:05,520
» What happens all of a sudden?
>> It is per year.

601
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:07,839
» Well, but there
Oh, I see what you mean. And take a look

602
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,839
at it again.
>> I think my So, I feel very naive about

603
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:14,720
this. I'm on the transit advisory
committee and I was always under the

604
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:17,920
assumption that the countyy's paid
because and that this for solely one

605
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,960
reason that I did not ask the question
of which is that Mike Wabby invited me.

606
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,680
He said I think it'd be great for there
to be some Wabasha representation. And I

607
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,640
thought, "Sure, I'll learn about
transit." And there's never been a

608
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:30,800
discussion in the times that I've been
on those calls about the source of

609
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:34,400
funds. There's been a real angst, a very
serious hand ringing about wrership

610
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:37,520
because of co just changed everything.
And then about these buses, which they

611
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:41,680
have been waiting for for so long. So I
think their leadership has been so

612
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:45,760
caught up in the unavailability of these
vehicles. There has been no no real

613
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:49,680
thought about kind of how the fees to be
managed. And I believe Tracy and um

614
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:53,119
Diane, while both having a lot of
transit experience, are new in their

615
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:57,520
leadership. So I think this is kind of
their proposal. That's the impression I

616
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,520
got when they visited with us initially.
Is that your thoughts that they this is

617
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:05,680
kind of a new way that they think it's
more stable and I don't know if there

618
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:08,160
it's just it's similar enough to what
they did before, which is, you know,

619
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:11,440
every 5 years you get dinged for a
vehicle,

620
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:14,880
» but they don't want it to be that they
don't want it to be that for the

621
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,520
organization because that put them in
trouble. Yeah. Yeah. Basic.

622
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:21,440
» Yeah. Right. They don't want us to have
to pay a lump sum and they don't want to

623
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:24,960
be vehicle specific and how, you know,
they don't want us think of thinking of

624
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:29,839
ourselves as paying for buses.
>> They want us to be paying for service.

625
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,880
» When it was a 20% match, it said they
just came and had to get 16 grand.

626
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,160
Right.
>> Right off the bat.

627
00:47:33,839 --> 00:47:37,599
» Right.
>> But now the buses are double the cost if

628
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:41,200
not more.
>> Right.

629
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:44,920
» They're looking at options for
>> Yes. Yeah,

630
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:51,680
» can terminate
>> at any time,

631
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:56,319
» but um at any time whereas Three Rivers
can only terminate

632
00:47:53,839 --> 00:48:01,480
if there's a breach
in agreement with the city. Um

633
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,680
I I mean part of me is it's important
that I think we need to look at it but

634
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:13,440
all of a sudden it's like you look at
some of these numbers you know 22 23 is

635
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:18,000
9,000 and then all of a sudden 2024 is 6
6200.

636
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:26,000
Well I mean we're projected to go to
about 5,000 for 2025. I mean if it keeps

637
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:29,760
dropping I guess what's the point of the
30 grand, right?

638
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:33,359
Um, that's why I asked if we could
re-evaluate,

639
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:39,400
do it once this year, reevaluate next
year. Can we do it on a year-to-year

640
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,400
basis instead of a fiveyear thing?

641
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:45,119
» When do they
>> I mean, obviously, we could terminate

642
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:49,200
per this agreement any time and for any
reason,

643
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:51,280
» but you're saying put it on the agenda
for a year.

644
00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:55,760
» No, I think we need to discuss it for a
year if that's the case.

645
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,319
It's one of you know it's one of those
things it's sort of like you know

646
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:02,240
there's a there's a there's a cost of
sort of public health services and then

647
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:05,119
usership is going to change all the time
but I I like you have noted that that's

648
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:12,079
a really dramatic those are really
dramatic shifts you know 2020 one and

649
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:17,680
two was really robust what that isn't co
acting that is so what what's the dip

650
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:20,480
now in I think it is it because of they
didn't talk about is it fleet in

651
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:26,800
availability and I can ask this you on
future tappings but there's a real kind

652
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:29,520
of community by community. Um
the thoughts about ridership are very

653
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,040
community by community because of course
if you live in a community where there's

654
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:38,319
you know a planned route and they're
going to these you know plan locations

655
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:45,200
like a shopping center, a hospital, we
don't have that. So it's a very personal

656
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:48,960
service here. It's on demand
and

657
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:53,839
yeah I think you have it sold for 24
hours. You have to request within 24

658
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:59,440
hours. is not a particularly flexible
um solution, but it's what it's the

659
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,880
model that works for our community
because a planned route really doesn't

660
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:06,000
make sense for our community. I know
they try to make the bus more visible or

661
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:09,200
that's they say that they try to make
the bus more visible. They don't just

662
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,119
drive around because of the fuel cost,
but they'll try to park where the semis

663
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:17,920
park or they'll try to park near the
grocery store or near the Dollar General

664
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:24,720
or someplace where they can be visible.
DAC I feel um is the high utilizer

665
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,440
just because our disabled numbers
although many elderly people are

666
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:31,359
disabled as well. So it's it's hard to
tease out. I've never been able to get a

667
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,079
clear answer. Wabasha's disabled
utilization is higher than other

668
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:37,839
communities. And I always say why is
that? and they say probably the DAC, but

669
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,559
I don't I don't know if they really know
if it's that or we have a high number of

670
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,680
disabled individuals in, you know,
independent disabled individuals that

671
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:49,839
are riding in addition to DAC because
then I start thinking about it really as

672
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:55,280
it's public transit infrastructure that
we need to stabilize.

673
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,480
I do know that the Head Start thing that
comes up over and over again that other

674
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:04,480
communities have really built ridership
above because of their preschool

675
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:09,520
prek ridership and that was just
something that either our prior

676
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:12,640
administration chose not to advocate for
or didn't see the need for or they just

677
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:18,839
never explored it. But I really urge
them to look into it with our school

678
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,839
with the new administration in place.

679
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:25,119
» I don't know Jeff's comments.
>> Sure. Oh, sure.

680
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:29,920
» Regarding three rivers requested for
30,6k a year for five years, he asked,

681
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,720
"Do the counties and cities in their
service area make the same

682
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:39,359
contribution?"
Um, it sounds like all the cities are,

683
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:45,280
but not the county. Based on six months
of ridership this year, January through

684
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:51,680
June, they average 14 riders per day.
This is a 6% of Wabasha's population. If

685
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:57,200
transportation is needed so badly, has
anyone contacted Sunset Mobility to see

686
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:01,760
if they can meet this minimal need? And
he just attaches a picture of a van.

687
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:05,680
I've attached a picture of one of their
vehicles, a van, which is more suitable

688
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:10,079
for this amount of ridership. I'm
opposed to this cost to the property

689
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:13,440
taxpayers. All I see is an empty bus
sitting around.

690
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:18,720
So I know from the age friendly
initiative the two domains that were

691
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:22,000
identified as most
important were housing and healthcare

692
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:26,400
community healthcare services but
transportation came up a million times

693
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:31,200
in those themes. And one thing that's
come from the the uh surveys and the

694
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:34,480
listening sessions is that those
fantastic services if they're covered by

695
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:39,839
insurance it's one thing but if they're
not the private payer has to pay that

696
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:42,160
they're it's it's a $100 trip. So that
sometimes makes sense for major

697
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:45,920
procedures and certainly for going a
distance, but that would never make

698
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:51,200
sense to go from your, you know, house
on 12th Street to your hospital.

699
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:54,319
» Yeah. Extremely that's
>> very flexible.

700
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:56,559
» Yeah, they're flexible, but they're very
um it's um

701
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,160
» it's a one to one.
>> Yeah.

702
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:03,599
» Yeah. It's more
to say this. I can't think of the ones.

703
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:07,839
Yeah.
>> Specializ. That's what I was thinking.

704
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:12,480
» Right. So, I use sunset and ability a
lot with my dad when he was going to and

705
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:20,800
from the nursing home city dur. It's not
cheap. Um, it's not for everyday use for

706
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:25,680
people. Um, we were paying $175 each way
just to take them to appointments in

707
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:29,599
Rochester. Um, they're not hardly ever
on time. Um, and they had missed two

708
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:36,160
appointments one day because they were
an hour and a half late picking them up.

709
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:40,800
Um, so it's a good service, but it's not
something that you can count on for

710
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:46,359
everyday use. And it's financially for
everyday use. It's not

711
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,359
» Yeah. It doesn't scale.

712
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:53,200
» And we could see a rate increase in the
next couple years, too.

713
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:57,680
» Yeah.
>> But I mean, the trends are down, but

714
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:01,280
» they're kind of all over the place.
They're all over the place in all the

715
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,520
cities. It's they don't I wish they
would actually that would be maybe

716
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:08,319
something they could provide to us is
our was our trend prior to co you know

717
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,760
for a 10-year period because it's really
>> it's like this it tanked in CO so that

718
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,839
kind of wasn't really a good beginning
of the slide there because of course

719
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:19,040
everything closed in CO but what
happened before CO I think was also sort

720
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:22,720
of variable so
>> so I I do like their thought that you're

721
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,760
paying for a service you're paying for
that service to be there you're not

722
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:28,800
paying for a bus that may or may not
have people on it you're paying for the

723
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:32,000
entire apparatus of three rivers you
know like she said they're working on

724
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:36,400
safety. They're working on um better
better rider experience and they really

725
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,440
do have a stigma fact. It's even in our
agenda packet. This is for disabled

726
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,240
people and elderly people. It's they
don't they have a marketing issue. So,

727
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:45,680
you know, one of the things that they've
done is added a person who goes into

728
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:49,760
communities and essentially markets
markets the service and I urge them to

729
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,400
come to our library to come to our new
apartment building when they have their

730
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:58,240
community space open to really get the
word out about their new bus. you know,

731
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,599
these are nice to vehicles and if we
chose not to contribute, it wouldn't

732
00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:05,119
necessarily mean that they're going to
leave town.

733
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:09,440
» Well, I think so. Yeah, I think that's
what it means. Then they would no longer

734
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:12,160
provide services to us.
>> I asked that question. I didn't get an

735
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:17,200
answer.
>> I should have asked here.

736
00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:22,319
» You think we would get a direct answer
wrong?

737
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:24,880
» I hope so.
So they're trying to put, you know,

738
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:29,440
they're trying to create a stable
operational model, which is good. That's

739
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:34,000
a good plan. I'm glad it's I would never
want this to surprise another future

740
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:38,480
administration like, oh, you need even a
$6,000 annual contribution, but

741
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:42,319
certainly not a bus, you know, 20% of a
bus right now.

742
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:46,160
» I I mean, I'm fine with it, but I think
we need to address it every year. I mean

743
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:54,480
because if you look at the numbers so
2020 co I assume the numbers so 4200

744
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:58,400
roughly but 2025 do co we're on pace for
5,000 I mean

745
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,839
» yeah they just it's like they've lost
>> sounds like it's

746
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:05,680
» like they've lost track people's
people's lives it's people found other

747
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:11,839
solutions
>> have you gotten any anecdotal

748
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:18,319
information through the front desk about
it's the same people have every

749
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:25,760
But they get to hear from you.
>> I'm super torn on this one. Um because I

750
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:31,760
think it's a a valuable service. Um
I mean I think I'd be willing to do a

751
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:34,960
year and see where we're at next year.
That's what I would move for. So when

752
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,720
we're doing budgeting, we should bring
it up and say, "Hey, present like we do

753
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:42,880
all of our other
>> people that are in our budget." Right.

754
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:47,520
» Yeah. So,
>> and I get the statistics quarterly if

755
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,680
anybody ever wants to see how other
communities are doing, you know, because

756
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:54,319
they all, like I said, they all boil
them down to it. It's it's not a, you

757
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:58,240
know, like any transit, any public
transit, it's not something that you can

758
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:01,920
control demand for. You have to build
demand for it. And that writership

759
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:06,160
experience has to be good. It can't be
late. it can't be you know

760
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:10,640
» I think the other thing I was completely
unaware of if we were a participant in

761
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:16,480
this service because so we certainly get
a lot out of good out on our website

762
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:20,240
Facebook Washa helping Wawasha I mean if
they come up with a marketing piece I

763
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:25,040
was completely unaware we were a
supporter of theirs

764
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:30,559
» I mean so were you we had no idea we
paid for part of the vehicle so I think

765
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:34,079
they need to do a better job of like you
said being treated like everyone house,

766
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:37,280
which is come give us an annual report
and tell us how you're doing.

767
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:40,960
» Well, I mean, we asked each street to
give us a report. We asked everybody

768
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:43,920
else why if we're giving them money
yearly,

769
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:48,079
» I want to know what they're doing to
approve it.

770
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:52,400
» We just budget discuss it at our next
workshop.

771
00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:54,400
» If we're going to approve this item?
>> Yeah.

772
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,799
» If we're going to budget it for the
year.

773
00:57:54,799 --> 00:58:01,040
» Oh, next year. You mean?
>> Yeah. 2026. Yeah. are proposing

774
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:05,119
approving it this year but continuing to
bring it back annually.

775
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:11,599
» So yes, that's what I would do. So in
August of next year, 2026, it gets

776
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:17,119
brought up and they present on
why they need another three or 6,000.

777
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:19,920
» I I I'm just not comfortable approving
it for five years

778
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:23,680
» because
>> I think it should then get moved into

779
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:27,520
our operating budget where it's a fee
for service. It's not like we're

780
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:30,559
literally buying a bus anymore. So
>> we will make that change.

781
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:35,520
» Yeah.
>> Okay. So is that something we can are we

782
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:39,599
allowed to modify thisou in that with
that regard?

783
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:44,720
» Well approving it this I would say we
can approve the U but we're going to

784
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:48,160
address it every year because according
to this we can actually terminate for

785
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:52,000
any reason.
So

786
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:57,359
» as long as I think we have that out I'm
fine with it. Can we send back that

787
00:58:54,720 --> 00:59:04,400
though and and and request that they
they do a report yearly?

788
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:08,319
» We can edit the to say that.
I'm sure. Yeah. Statistics every every

789
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,640
quarter.
>> Yeah. I mean, if we can if we can modify

790
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:17,440
it to say we'll do 6,000 every year, I
would assume they would want third, but

791
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:22,720
tough. I'd like to see it change before
we approve it

792
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:26,559
» or approve with that with that change.
Yeah.

793
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:31,760
» Okay. And then also say you'll make
annual reports to the city of Washa with

794
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:35,200
ridership information etc. Right.
Because right now it says Three River

795
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:39,040
just makes necessary reports to them.
>> Well, I think it should be treated just

796
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:43,680
like tape. What are you doing to approve
actually just printing things doesn't

797
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:49,760
make any sense nowadays? So what are
they doing increase in the money? I

798
00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:54,799
Yeah, I'm fine with delayed. So we want
to print and make that report available

799
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:58,599
in August because we don't have a time
frame on it.

800
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,680
» That's probably a good idea.

801
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:10,480
» Are you willing to make that motion to
>> to get those changes?

802
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:13,839
» Yeah, I mean if they're going to change
it, but are we sending it back with

803
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:18,880
those?
>> I think the proposal is we'll amend

804
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:22,400
theou and and and bring it back. So,
it's directing ST next. Okay, that's

805
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:25,119
fine.
>> That's fine by me.

806
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,559
» I'm good. Okay.
>> Yeah. And I'll try to learn now that I

807
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:31,599
realize our sort of role in their in
their funding, which of course is a

808
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,520
small amount of where their funding
comes from, but I'll try to be more

809
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:38,240
critical of what I what I'm seeing. It's
just it's a lot because you're looking

810
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,559
at really hard to compare cities like
Farbo and Northfield or Redwing versus

811
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:46,880
us. But then I I'll look at a city that
seems similar and their statistics to

812
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:50,559
this. The usership is very different. Um
the disabled piece really stands out for

813
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:54,559
me for Wabasha and I' I just never have
gotten them to say like well you have a

814
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:58,480
ton of disabled senior users and you've
got the DAC so

815
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:03,599
» I'll just continue and Diane and Tracy
have really improved the communications

816
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:06,880
as in writing and every every part of
their involvement has improved kind of

817
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:11,200
my awareness of where they're at.
>> Are they fairly new in their roles?

818
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:12,720
» Yeah, but I don't think they're new to a
lot of them.

819
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:18,160
» Oh
>> yeah. or maybe one of them is, but I I

820
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:23,680
remember Tracy's name from
some time back, but she's been she's

821
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:28,400
been leading the the um TAS the transit
advisory committee

822
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:34,079
and I think they're in sort of co-
director role. Sounds like Diana serve

823
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:38,640
on the financing side and and uh and
Tracy more the operational the bus the

824
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:45,599
you know their infrastructure.
All right, that's good. And now um the

825
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:48,599
preliminary budget levy
our

826
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:53,640
you want to talk about this at all? Y

827
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:01,440
our budget work
for the public we take a look at the

828
01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:07,359
budget for the first time budgeting
workshop in July August when it was it

829
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:11,920
was August. Yeah. um where almost half
of the year is already completed so we

830
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:15,920
understand costs halfway through 2025
staff there's a very detailed budget

831
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:20,880
packet and we basically look at this now
every month and sometimes with another

832
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:29,040
special meeting until we have to approve
our budget by the end

833
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:35,520
» so um right now for the prelim we're
looking at um a 12% increase from 2025

834
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:42,559
to 2026
Um and just to again highlight kind of

835
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:48,160
the major changes, the debt service levy
um for the new road project is about 4%

836
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:54,559
of that 12%
and then the rest of it is um due to

837
01:02:52,240 --> 01:03:00,880
general wage increases.
Um currently we have the same CIP

838
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:08,880
contribution as last year. um fire
department is requesting an increase um

839
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:17,680
for um on call pay rate as well as they
had an increase in call volume. Um,

840
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:22,559
uh, ambulance has a request, um, for a
little bit additional payroll wages that

841
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:28,480
we're going to look at in an ad hoc and
it also soon a, um, 15% in increase in

842
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:35,520
health care, health insurance, and we'll
know that amount um, in December um, and

843
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:42,079
November. December is when we'll finally
approve the budget.

844
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:46,799
Um, and the budget also includes um some
additional funding um for the port

845
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:54,400
authority to pay a portion of my salary
and Tyler's salary because we staff

846
01:03:49,039 --> 01:04:00,960
that. Um, and so I think to summarize um
some of the discussion was let's set it

847
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:06,559
pretty high. We're hoping for some
favorable numbers coming out for the

848
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:11,119
ambulance service um to to imp prove
some revenues. We're hoping for

849
01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:16,240
favorable numbers with health insurance
coming out. Um and then the other thing

850
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:21,119
we had a lot of discussion is that since
so much of the budget is truly wages,

851
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:27,280
that leaves relatively little that we
can play with. Um, a couple things that

852
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:32,799
we're still working on since we met is
that, um, last year there was a proposal

853
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:37,920
that the port authority take over
payment of Main Street in the Chamber of

854
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:43,440
Commerce. That's a relatively small
amount, but that alone on the next port

855
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:49,839
meeting. And so we you would see that in
October if we're able to um take that

856
01:04:46,319 --> 01:04:56,000
out. Um the other thing we talked a
little bit about the CIP and just some

857
01:04:52,720 --> 01:05:01,280
of the challenges of wanting potentially
that's an area to cut but then we have

858
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:06,880
you know equipment that is excuse me
Tony pointed out today his ball truck is

859
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:12,559
20 years old
Tony

860
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:21,359
» so I think that was older than I mine um
so um so so anyways Um, we're going to

861
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:27,359
be researching some of that and and
bringing that back uh to you if there's

862
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:32,160
ways to raise fees which get paid for by
nonprofit organizations rather than just

863
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:36,160
put everything on the property tax levy
which is only paid by taxpayers in

864
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:40,880
Wabasha.
Um,

865
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:46,799
and so, uh, Jeff did send me some
comments that I can share.

866
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:54,079
Um, so just for everyone in the
audience, um, council did a turn page on

867
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:58,000
the entire budget um, a couple weeks ago
at our packet and we went through

868
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:02,400
everything in detail. So, I'm just
giving you the highlights and we won't

869
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:07,119
make you page through the budget. I
don't think they want to do that. Um,

870
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:13,200
but it's all online. Um, we will also
publish it on our website as well.

871
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:18,319
um if people want to take a look at the
budget packet which just includes what

872
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:25,200
I'm summarizing the changes and then
tons and tons of charts and graphics. Um

873
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:30,319
our biggest change is as our expenses go
up. Um it's just really hard to move the

874
01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:35,440
needle on revenues because things like
you know park fees etc um account for a

875
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:40,960
relatively small portion. The one thing
that's been growing rather well has been

876
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:45,359
the the ambulance service line which we
are watching but they are a few months

877
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:56,720
delayed in their revenues.
Um Jeff's comments that I received is um

878
01:06:52,079 --> 01:07:05,359
you know would we consider that asking
all departments to he'd like to be at an

879
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:09,760
8% cut a 5% reduction to all line items
other than the things they don't control

880
01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:17,599
which is salaries and benefits. So come
back with a 5% reduction and you know

881
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:23,440
present what that looks like. Um he
suggests um a three-year replacement

882
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:28,200
schedule for police squad cars.
Um and then

883
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:38,000
that or his main I think suggestions
that maybe this 5% everybody goes back

884
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:45,039
and tries to cut five other than uh
salaries would that um help lower the

885
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:51,119
levy. So those were some comments
he um

886
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:55,359
he provided.
So 12 makes me a little nervous. I'm

887
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,480
just being honest because I'm not sure
what you're going to learn about

888
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:02,480
healthcare and we learn that so late.
And for the public's understanding, this

889
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:07,200
is a ceiling. We are we are publishing
our ceiling levy. The state requires it.

890
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:13,200
We will work all the way through the
year to move it down. I think moving it

891
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:16,880
to a single digit would be
nearly impossible. I mean, I was looking

892
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:20,319
at the CIP. I couldn't add up anything
substantial that isn't like really

893
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,400
needed. it's either going to be needed
this year or next year. So, what

894
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:26,719
difference does it make? We either get
on it or we, you know, have an

895
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:30,400
artificially high 14% increase in a
future year, which it's that variability

896
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:33,359
that makes people crazy. Everybody that
understands the cost of goods and

897
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:38,640
services goes up. And that's true for
government as well. But when people see

898
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:41,520
it 3 7 9 12 that's the part that I think
really people have a hard time

899
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:46,159
understanding because people also have a
hard time understanding that a lot of

900
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:49,279
the increase in their taxes is a dep is
dependent on the increase in the value

901
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:53,199
of their property which of course we
don't have control over and they don't

902
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:56,319
have control over for the most part. So
I think that that you know that desire

903
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:59,920
to get to sort of this thing that we
think is going to make people happy

904
01:08:57,679 --> 01:09:04,400
nobody wants their taxes to increase for
any any in any percentage. So, I just

905
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:09,040
feel like our body has to be putting
staff in a position to responsibly, you

906
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:15,279
know, keep people employed, which is the
biggest cost driver. Um, if we're going

907
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:17,920
to cut 5% of any department budget, I
don't know how that isn't a service cut,

908
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,679
then we'd have to be really seriously
talking about service cuts. We can't ask

909
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:26,560
our staff to make those kind of
decisions as we round off the year. I

910
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:29,759
think those are that issue. Then, we
don't want Tony's budget to be this in

911
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:33,679
future years. So, we're going to talk
all next year about we decreased it by

912
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:37,520
5%. Because we have to be responsible
for what those cuts look like. That's

913
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:41,759
our job. That's not Tony's job at this
point. He's telling us what the budget

914
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:45,040
is to perform the services and and work
that needs to be done. True department.

915
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,359
I know I've talked to Joe about this.
You basically don't change your budget.

916
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:50,400
It's not like you're looking for new
things to add on, right? So, every year

917
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:55,199
is basically the same budget with just
cost inflation factored in, you know,

918
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:59,199
which is how budgets usually are made.
So, I don't know how we get a 5% cut out

919
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:03,360
of any budget, let alone all budgets. I
think that's kind of a fool's errand to

920
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:07,120
ask staff to do that. Maybe we talk
seriously about the CIP. That's where I

921
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:11,199
kind of was left hanging because I don't
know as well as as our department heads

922
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:16,320
do. How critical is it that something is
this year, not next year? I know that we

923
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:21,120
bumped things beyond what was probably
good planning already on some of those

924
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:24,560
items, but just having a a and if it's
not significant, if it doesn't make a

925
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:27,760
ding, then we don't do it. then we don't
cut it. But, you know, I was adding up

926
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:30,239
things. I was like, that doesn't add up
much. That doesn't add up to much.

927
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:35,120
There's a lot of little things on that
CIP that are you can you can cross them

928
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:41,000
off and it doesn't help us. It's just
something that's deferred.

929
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Um,

930
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,199
yeah, I'm just worried about insurance.
So, I would be okay if staff was

931
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,840
comfortable with the 12. I'm okay with
12. I might be a little more comfortable

932
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,520
saying 13 just because of that
uncertainty, knowing that whatever

933
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:55,520
savings we identify, we're just going to
drop it by that exact amount. So, you

934
01:10:54,239 --> 01:11:00,719
know, if you're estimating 15, it comes
in 14. Well, then that's real. That's a

935
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:04,880
real savings or real
reduced, you know, reduced expected

936
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:08,159
cost.
You know, Tim and I were on the um we

937
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:12,800
didn't report you guys. I kind of
apologize for that. We we talked to the

938
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:17,600
staff about benefits and the plan
adoption and that and there's there is a

939
01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:21,120
portion of that that does hit employees
pockets and and depending on their plans

940
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:26,800
function, but also depending on how the
plans are structured. And so I like to

941
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:32,400
think of that benefit allocation as more
of a policy oriented are we going to

942
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:35,840
wiggle our are we going to move
benefits, you know,

943
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:38,080
are we going to tease the employees at
the end of the year that benefits are

944
01:11:36,719 --> 01:11:41,600
always on the table or is that kind of
against our policy? Do we really want to

945
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,800
do that? If we really want to do that,
then I guess that's on the table every

946
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:49,600
year and have that difficult discussion.
But um maybe Caroline can share um one

947
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:54,000
slide that I thought was particularly
interesting. Not now but in in email.

948
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:58,560
» Yeah. In future going to share. It was
comp you know sort of our competitors.

949
01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:01,679
» The competitors were broader than I see
as our competition. I see our

950
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:05,120
competition from a budget standpoint as
like cities and every city is so

951
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:07,760
different. It's I think it's
fascinating. I mean like what is plain

952
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,760
view all union?
>> Yeah.

953
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:14,239
» So it's hard to even find a like city
really. I don't see us as a competitor

954
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:17,440
with the county. I think of them as
somebody we should worry about our

955
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:20,640
employees going to work for for sure. So
like Rob was saying, well, they are a

956
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:24,080
competitor. They are from a standpoint
that like we could lose employees just

957
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:28,719
like Wish Dentistry could lose employees
to the Mayo Clinic, but we're not like

958
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:32,560
enough to have similar access to plan
coverage that a county has access to. We

959
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:36,080
know that. So just look, it's
interesting to see how different we are.

960
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:42,800
And we're not out of line. We're not
over compensating our employees in wages

961
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:46,400
or benefits. We are right on target, but
we're not over. If we were over, which I

962
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:49,440
didn't know, I might have wanted to have
a conversation with staff about that.

963
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:52,400
Like, you know, just so we can make sure
we're keeping wages on track. We got to

964
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:57,600
be realistic about benefits, but we're
not an outlier at all.

965
01:12:54,719 --> 01:13:00,239
» This was the I'm going to update it for
this was a couple years ago. You've got

966
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:06,719
more information,
>> but I've got to update it. But this is

967
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:11,360
where we were for I just used the Mayo
plan. That's our most expensive plan.

968
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:17,040
and the Mayo access we were at 610 and
then you can see their range. So you can

969
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:19,120
see that you know some communities are
higher.

970
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,800
Um
>> and then who's the one that's low is

971
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:27,040
that?
>> And then then plane view is union so

972
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:30,320
they don't pay a premium. Um Washaw
County is much lower.

973
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,159
» They're much bigger organization.
They're competing very differently for

974
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:38,640
plants.
>> Um Lake City was like

975
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:45,280
you know 667 610 but you know it could
be a lesser benefit. We were very close

976
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:52,080
to Pine Island, Chatfield,
and maybe a little less than St.

977
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:54,719
Charles, Cannon Falls. So, I have to
update these numbers.

978
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:59,920
» Yeah, I don't see that. I don't think
that's something we

979
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:02,239
manipulate to try to address the levy. I
think that's that's right where it

980
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:07,440
should appear to be right where we
should be. We can't do anything about

981
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:11,120
paid leave. That's required. We can't
I mean our our step you know people are

982
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:16,000
on a step increase. We're not gonna I'm
not interested in in holding salaries

983
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:20,000
and doing a salary freeze. Um we've got
union contract negotiation with police.

984
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:24,560
We've got this fire department payroll
which is not even doesn't even get us

985
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:29,360
close to what I think Darren said other
cities are seeing. So without all those

986
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:33,440
big wage and benefit costs, the only
thing that we that I feel like we have

987
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:37,440
some ability to kind of really
try to have an honest conversation about

988
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:41,520
the impact on is CIP items. And even
there, the little ones to me don't add

989
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:45,040
up. Even all of the little ones together
don't add up to something significant.

990
01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:48,000
So I don't know why we would digger too
much about those. It's maybe

991
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:51,159
understanding the critical need for the
big ones.

992
01:14:54,560 --> 01:15:02,719
That's just kind of my I feel like this
is where we kind of end up each year,

993
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:08,320
which is good. We don't have some big
horrible

994
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:12,960
um financial problem or, you know,
project that's creating a lot of

995
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:18,040
issues. It's just that this is this is
the this is what it costs to do the work

996
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,040
that we're currently doing.

997
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:26,239
I've never once had somebody urge a
service

998
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:28,880
like a service reduction. I I can't
think of something. I'm not even sure of

999
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:32,080
an off-handed comment where somebody
said, you know, the city really doesn't

1000
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:35,080
need to do that. I just can't think of
one.

1001
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:45,280
Anybody else got any thoughts?
Otherwise, we can

1002
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:48,280
have a motion on that 12% or another
number.

1003
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,679
» Yeah, it's just a placeholder.
>> Exactly.

1004
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:56,560
» So, we can cut. So, I'm I'm fine with
12.

1005
01:15:54,159 --> 01:16:03,760
» So, my first question is, is staff okay
with the 12%. Do you think that's

1006
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:09,120
appropriate? Because I think it is, but
and then my only other comment is how do

1007
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:13,040
we compare with our fees? That's a
structure. How do we compare to other

1008
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:16,800
communities, which I know it's hard
because on the river, it's hard to find

1009
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:22,719
a small town on a river, but
>> like for our fees are, you know, charge.

1010
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:25,520
Are they competitive? Are they too much?
Are they not?

1011
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:30,640
» So that's like an analysis that we had
to go speed by piece. So Jesse, do you

1012
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:33,600
want to comment on your research today?
Um,

1013
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:36,560
» some we were higher on, some we were
normal.

1014
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:41,679
I mean, I don't think that we had
anything that was super low.

1015
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:44,640
» We've raced it several times in the last
several years.

1016
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,800
» I really throw a review a couple years
ago. I mean, it's I know that they're

1017
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:53,360
talking campground, but I think we were
pretty comparable there. Comparable

1018
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:58,560
there. I know our liquor licenses are
lower than Elgen, but pretty much higher

1019
01:16:55,520 --> 01:17:02,560
than other places. I mean, the park
rentals seem to be the same. The

1020
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:09,360
cigarette licenses were high on on one
and low on another by drastic amounts,

1021
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:12,719
but Sunday sales are maxed. Off sale was
like the only one that could possibly go

1022
01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:15,199
up and that was like by 100 bucks.
>> Yeah.

1023
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:18,640
» I mean, there's not anything drastic
enough that it's going to affect your

1024
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:20,880
budget a month.
>> I don't know if she increased

1025
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:25,120
everything.
No, I'm I'm fine. I mean, it's I just

1026
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:30,000
bring it up.
>> Always good to check.

1027
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:33,360
» I mean, obviously, you I don't want to
go to extreme as Jeff, but I mean,

1028
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:38,640
obviously, we should look at and I agree
with the mayor that the CIP is probably

1029
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:42,719
the best benefit to look at, but again,
you're just shifting it down the road. I

1030
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:49,040
mean some of these things that are out
there like the Lucas device to buy the

1031
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:55,520
value is just you can't put up money
because used it the benefits amazing but

1032
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:59,600
we still should look at it. So our last
devices were there was a fundraiser that

1033
01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:05,760
was done that's all about
>> what Ryan did this time is

1034
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:13,199
them to get some savings. So his
original amount was a onetime

1035
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:15,760
$75,000 price tag and now it's over a
threeyear period and as a service,

1036
01:18:15,199 --> 01:18:19,679
right?
>> Yeah.

1037
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:24,320
» 15,000 competitive maintenance which
currently we pay for and now it's

1038
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:31,679
included in the purchase price.
>> Yeah. So yeah, we could do a fundraiser,

1039
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:36,159
but I think I think some of the is like,
do we really want to do a fundraiser for

1040
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:38,960
the thing that we absolutely need? You
know,

1041
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,199
» it doesn't make a dent. It it's not that
amount is not going to move the numbers.

1042
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:46,080
So
>> I thought his

1043
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:52,080
his um financing plan looked good and
that's the one Tony did for his tools.

1044
01:18:49,040 --> 01:19:00,560
So yeah, good.
>> That one ended up being only 13,000 over

1045
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:05,600
two years. So that's good.
>> Okay. I was moved to approve the for

1046
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:10,000
preliminary budget levy resolution.
>> Yeah. And I just wanted to say it says

1047
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:13,920
approve capital improvement plan, but
since we're continuing to talk about

1048
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,679
cutting the budget, we'll finalize that
with the budget.

1049
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:19,120
» Sounds good. Do we have a second?
>> I'll second the 12%. We have a first

1050
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,440
from Tim, second from Brian. Thank you
guys for letting me have a moment.

1051
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,600
» No, it's fine.
>> All those in favor say I.

1052
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:32,000
» I oppose say no.
>> Uh, all right. Now, our um porticotty

1053
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:38,120
discussion which Tony had some I think
it was funny. Tony, you want to share

1054
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:38,120
with us what your perspective is?

1055
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:50,239
I I understand the request like
everybody else, but you know, if we get

1056
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:53,679
to budget time,
you know, here we go. Are we going to

1057
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:57,600
we're going to add this in the budget.
Um and we're trying to go down and

1058
01:19:55,920 --> 01:20:04,239
couple of these things are, you know,
going to take it up. So, um

1059
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:08,400
Caroline, did you have I gave you that
amount for like the total

1060
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:12,960
yearly? Mhm.
>> You remember what that was?

1061
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:18,159
» Yeah, it's on a prior I you know I think
it was like Yeah, let me look that up.

1062
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:24,159
Um
>> does anyone else remember cuz

1063
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:28,239
» I put it along with this guest talk a
couple

1064
01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:34,120
» months ago.
>> Um says the line item would range from

1065
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,120
50 to 70.

1066
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:39,360
It is.
>> Yep. Yep.

1067
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:43,440
» That's the overall park maintenance
budget. So

1068
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:50,480
» I I to do more street work, I need to
take some money out of parks.

1069
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:56,640
» So So right now we pay $4,865
a year for portaotties. So when 88

1070
01:20:53,679 --> 01:21:02,640
portaotti is 200 a month, about 1,400 a
year and a regular porta potty is 165 a

1071
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:06,080
month about 1,155.
And I think we do it April through

1072
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:10,400
September.
>> So that represents the typical time

1073
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:14,239
frame
>> when it comes down to it. You know, do

1074
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:20,960
we want to spend another roughly $1,000
on another portaotti for the park and I

1075
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:24,640
mean you look at Eagle's pace. I mean
that's that's now a park and there was

1076
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:30,080
no bathrooms. So that was kind of a
no-brainer to put one there. Maybe we

1077
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:34,480
don't next year. Um but you know there's
already two at Heritage Park and we just

1078
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:38,719
felt that you know why should we have
three and not

1079
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:43,440
one at another park that was part of
that discussion but

1080
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:47,040
» as far correct me if I'm wrong because
this was I got this information sort of

1081
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:50,320
after the event. I think you guys maybe
learned of it right around the time that

1082
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:53,679
it happened. My understanding was not
there's a line for the restrooms. It was

1083
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:57,520
that the that the portaotties were
already maxed out at Heritage Park by

1084
01:21:56,159 --> 01:22:01,040
that time they had that big event. Is
that was that accurate?

1085
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:04,480
» Yeah, I think I think it's Well, you
know, the chamber they take care of

1086
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:08,000
days, you know, they have what 20 down
there,

1087
01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:12,800
» but like Fridays under the bridge at
certain times, you know, that's what I

1088
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:14,639
heard is there's a line um to use them.
So,

1089
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:17,199
» which is okay. There can be a line
during an event that's but I didn't even

1090
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:21,520
hear that there was a line. I just heard
that they were that they were full and

1091
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:23,679
that that was sort of a proper like a oh
we have to solve this quickly.

1092
01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:26,560
» You mean like the tank full?
>> Yeah. No, that wasn't okay.

1093
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:28,480
» It was the usage like
>> Okay. Okay.

1094
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:30,480
» people waiting or there's a lot of
people use it on

1095
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:33,440
» Okay. Okay.
>> No, they're empty um

1096
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,199
» weekly
>> every Thursday night.

1097
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:38,880
» Yep. Okay.
>> Just to make sure for the Fridays.

1098
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:41,760
» Yeah. It's just an unusual thing I was
thinking about. You know, the chamber

1099
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:47,760
has their events. are very you know
contained to a weekend whereas the our

1100
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:52,639
jack events are every Friday for June
July August and four months so it's a

1101
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:56,159
it's a park that receives you know
certainly the porticotties are are

1102
01:22:54,080 --> 01:23:00,719
appropriate for general use of the park
more than more than adequate it's this

1103
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:07,679
four months where the park is used as a
really big convening space every single

1104
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:10,320
Friday so you know Paul also discussed
whether there would ever be a permit you

1105
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,679
know he was advocating for a permit
restroom access we have on them planned

1106
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:17,199
but it's not there you know it's not it
wouldn't be suitable for that use

1107
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:20,719
» so I don't know if we continue to
revisit that in a long term that doesn't

1108
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:27,600
solve the situation short term but we
can abide by Tony's um recommendation

1109
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:31,040
and keep talking about that the the only
thing I was going to add is if you

1110
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:36,560
wanted to treat them like Main Street
and Chamber you can ask them to request

1111
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:40,400
make another request which we're sending
theoretically to the port authority

1112
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:43,360
scene we need assistance to add a port
of potty for our event. I think Tony's

1113
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:48,320
point is
>> it's due to the event,

1114
01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:53,199
» not general usage of the park. So, he's
kind of questioning roles. We don't do

1115
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:56,480
it for Riverbo days. So, it seems like
if you're a special organization needs

1116
01:23:55,360 --> 01:24:01,280
funding,
>> you could theoretically

1117
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:05,679
get in line with the Port Authority. We
can barely every year we want to cut

1118
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:07,840
chamber and um
>> yeah,

1119
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:11,760
» main street. So, it's hard to think of
us. But now we've added the food share

1120
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:16,719
for 4,000. That's the other thing we
need to send over to uh Port Authority

1121
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:24,239
is the list of nonprofits that we
support is expanding.

1122
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:30,480
» Yeah, I'm the whole transit for disabled
people is important enough to me. I'm

1123
01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:38,000
entertaining this 6,000 a year, but I'm
so close to not wanting to do that as

1124
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:43,040
well. And so to keep adding stuff I I'm
just not in favor of it. Two is plenty

1125
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:45,440
for normal use. I'm with you. I think
>> Yeah.

1126
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:49,760
» Yeah.
>> And I think I think Paul said in his

1127
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,719
comments to council, he just needs to
know that if that's going to be the

1128
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:55,760
case, the earlier the better. They can
look at their own financial arrangements

1129
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:59,040
for that. Whether it's like you said
seeking donations or grant funding in

1130
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,520
order to cover that cost. Yeah.
>> Yes.

1131
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:07,920
The other piece of it that I guess is
tricky is we don't um it's not like the

1132
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,360
pool where where we are in control of
the utilization.

1133
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:15,520
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1134
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:23,480
» Different events cause you know more use
and should be looked at like what the

1135
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:23,480
chamber does for that's what I was

1136
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:31,120
» do we need to make a motion then? I
don't know. Do we have to? It's just

1137
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:36,719
that you we're we're getting staff
recommendation not to add it.

1138
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:39,840
» Make a motion to let it die. Right.
>> Motion to deny.

1139
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:42,320
» I would move to deny it.
>> I'll second.

1140
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:45,280
» We have a motion and a f first and a
second. Any further discussion? All

1141
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:49,840
those in favor say I.
>> I. Say no.

1142
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,920
» Okay. I know those little organizations
are powerhouses. They are doing

1143
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,480
everything they can to get the little
funding that they have available into

1144
01:25:53,600 --> 01:26:02,400
action. So they want to keep doing good
and and yeah and uh they do they do do

1145
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:07,120
good and we should also remember to
thank them for the contributions they

1146
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:12,440
make back to us now in this fundraising
approach they've started. All right

1147
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:12,440
sidewalks

1148
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:20,400
I'm going to leave it the way it is. We
have an issue we address it.

1149
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:26,960
» Do you want to talk about it?
>> Sorry.

1150
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:31,360
Um, I mean, I think a lot of the ones,
so when I did it the first time, I think

1151
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:38,719
that was a lot of stuff that had never
been touched for 20, 30, 40 years.

1152
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:43,679
» Um, but like when I deal with stuff on a
case by case basis, I right now I got

1153
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:48,400
two in my head. Um, that's out of the
whole town.

1154
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:52,800
Could I or could somebody go out and
rather find some more stuff, you know,

1155
01:26:50,639 --> 01:27:00,320
with the level and tools and to really
get picky about it? You probably could,

1156
01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:07,040
but um yeah, I just
I'd rather stay with a complaint basis

1157
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:16,320
um process and and not cause upward the
community. and you know family money

1158
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:23,520
tight right now and uh prescribing. Um
so I yeah I I you know if I had somebody

1159
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:25,920
else to take that over like if we wanted
to hire a company that might be an

1160
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:29,280
option but I don't know how that would
turn out. Um

1161
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,840
» I would feel like they'd be incentivized
to

1162
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:34,480
» identify profit. you trust them. You
know, they're in, you know, they they

1163
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:38,719
get a percentage. You know, how does
that all work? And I I don't know.

1164
01:27:37,040 --> 01:27:42,480
» Um,
>> yeah,

1165
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:47,199
» I would just add that um Jessica shared
that there are definitely communities

1166
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:53,120
that add this on as a fee so that when
your sidewalk needs to get repaired, you

1167
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:59,280
pay zero um like Plane View. But at this
point, we're having discussions to to

1168
01:27:55,760 --> 01:28:03,920
add on fees just to get the CIP covered.
>> Yeah. But do you remember how much your

1169
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:09,760
sidewalk? We can do research on a
sidewalk fee. Um Dean was the one

1170
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:14,639
saying, "Let's cover more. Let's cover
50/50 of someone's sidewalk." Was it

1171
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:19,520
5050? I think that's what he said.
>> But she's saying it's 100%. I mean, we

1172
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:22,000
could make it a research project when it
becomes a concern.

1173
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,920
» Um
>> I find that very appealing because it's

1174
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:30,320
manageable. You know, those costs are
high when they come up all at once.

1175
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:32,639
Whether it's 5050 or not, no support by
the city. It's

1176
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:36,960
» when I bought my house, I have brand new
sidewalk that cost them nothing for a

1177
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:39,679
buck 75 a month and I pay $2 towards
compost.

1178
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:44,080
» There's cities that do that with
utilities, too. So, like if you want to

1179
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:47,760
pay insurance, you know, there's
companies that do that where, you know,

1180
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:50,560
you don't people usually have to pay the
whole service to them. I guess, you

1181
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:53,840
know, that's going to be five grand,
three to five or more. And there's

1182
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:57,120
communities where you can pay insurance
a little bit a month and then it's

1183
01:28:55,040 --> 01:29:01,040
covered. They just city takes care of
them. How many fees do you you know you

1184
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:03,760
want?
>> Well, I don't know how I don't think

1185
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:06,480
people compare how many fees does my
city have compared to the neighboring

1186
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:10,560
city. It's more like is that good is
again is that good policym because

1187
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:12,960
nobody gets surprised with a multi,000,
>> you know. I just think ours ours was

1188
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:15,440
just a low in front of our house. We
didn't address it because it wasn't

1189
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:18,960
really a safety issue except when it was
icy and we saw the heck out of it. But

1190
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:23,120
it was kind of it just I kind of got
sick of having to do that. It was a big

1191
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:26,719
expense just for just for improving what
was an intact sidewalk. They were

1192
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:31,520
surprised. So,
>> well, I'm doing fee research regardless.

1193
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:38,159
So I can research this in their fees and
we could just add it to conversations

1194
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:44,159
but it sounds like we are as staff
saying we'll continue to operate on a

1195
01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:51,040
complaint based only and then if we want
to have savings to cover and change it

1196
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:54,080
so it's not 100% on the homeowner
and

1197
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:57,199
fees. I guess
>> once that's the case then I think you

1198
01:29:55,679 --> 01:30:02,639
can be a little more strict with
compliance because there's a basis for

1199
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:06,560
it to be you know not fully the
residential property owners problem or

1200
01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:09,760
commercial property first person's
problem

1201
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:15,040
» I remember Mayor N's face he's like what
you do so the sidewalk policy that's the

1202
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:18,080
agenda is that current so we should
revise that

1203
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:24,639
» we probably need to revise it to say
that it's not like a blending base

1204
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:28,400
» well I mean the first thing procedures
the survey which followed.

1205
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:31,600
» We kind of wanted to see what the plan
was tonight and then if we wanted to

1206
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:34,480
bring it back next month we could rehear
it.

1207
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:37,280
» And did Dean give any feedback because I
wasn't even sure what he really even

1208
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:40,880
wanted to be reviewed.
>> His biggest issue from my understanding

1209
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:43,360
I don't want to speak for him is the
whole fee who pays for it.

1210
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:47,760
» Okay.
>> That's that's what I'm interpreting but

1211
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:51,760
I could be completely wrong
>> in the removal. Right.

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01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:55,600
Well, I don't know why people have the
authority to remove a sidewalk. That's

1213
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:58,400
what it is. That's a whole another
issue.

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01:30:56,080 --> 01:31:01,600
» Conclude was that any sidewalk removals
in the future will come to council. It

1215
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,960
won't just be approved by street
commission.

1216
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:05,840
» That's good.
>> As long as we're changing them, then we

1217
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:10,560
have that too.
>> It's always good to commission, but it's

1218
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:13,920
certain places get, you know, kind of
like which way you go. So, it's an

1219
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:17,800
important sidewalk, but it doesn't go
anywhere. sales.

1220
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:28,960
» So, we will amend the sign off policy to
leave it as complaintbased.

1221
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:34,080
We'll leave it as 100% but then maybe
when Dean's present he could amend it to

1222
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:38,719
say 50/50 and we'll look into fees too.
>> This is just a policy. It's not an

1223
01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:44,280
ordinance. So, we don't have to like
>> do an ordinance change. No, I think

1224
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:53,280
» but if I had to take care of some of the
sidewalk and they couldn't afford it, it

1225
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:59,880
would be assessed under taxes at some
that's

1226
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,880
side or policy side.

1227
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:09,639
» Thank you, Tony.
>> All right. Now, the conversation on the

1228
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:09,639
inter loan which K asked about

1229
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:16,719
We got to do it.
>> Who wants to take it?

1230
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:21,280
» Yeah. Um, we're applying for funding for
the bar project. Um, we're the

1231
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:26,960
application. We basically have to show
the port authority has at least a 78

1232
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:31,360
748,788.
Um, so they've already got $150,000 loan

1233
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:34,880
and then there's another 150 that's been
approved but not transferred just

1234
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:39,199
because the port hasn't needed that fund
balance yet. They've been sustaining on

1235
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:44,000
their own. sleep with trans 150 and then
approved an additional 100 and like we

1236
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:49,840
did earlier it's just to get grant
funding um we'll have the money to pay

1237
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:55,199
back terminals up and running we have
another call plan so just kind of it's

1238
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:59,520
all in the same city bank account it's
lally just behind the scenes shifting

1239
01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:02,639
money from one fund to the other so it's
not even moving

1240
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:05,800
» it's worth it's all
>> it's all

1241
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:11,280
funounting Yeah.
>> Um, yeah. And I just was reminded this

1242
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:14,560
was something that Kathy Anderson
identified her cedar rep. I mean, this

1243
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:17,199
she's always she's thrown so many so
much spaghetti against the wall. It's

1244
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:22,400
hard to keep up sometimes, but really
great her to realize there was this this

1245
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:26,320
funding to to develop the infrastructure
on a large.

1246
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:31,520
» Yes.
>> Yeah. I mean, if it's going to give us

1247
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:35,679
grants, I'll move to approve it. Second
like I couldn't get. We have a first by

1248
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:43,040
Tim, a second by Brian. Any further
discussion? All those in favor say I.

1249
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:47,719
» I. Say no. It's great. Okay.
>> And now that BDPI grant fund

1250
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:56,159
» is a simple resolution.
>> Yep. And I just wanted to clarify that

1251
01:33:53,840 --> 01:34:02,880
the only the city is eligible to apply
for this grant, not the port. So the old

1252
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:08,400
um resolution kind of had port language
and this just makes it clear it's all

1253
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:12,560
city. So that'll again it's kind of
confusing. We're they're different but

1254
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:18,320
we're one and we kind of operate
together. Um so this would have been a

1255
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:24,560
consent but we just um got it.
>> Got it. So care to move.

1256
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:29,120
» Jean second Brian. Uh any further
discussion? All those in favor say I.

1257
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:33,350
oppos.
It's good news. Okay.

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01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,350
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