1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,800 All right. Now that everyone is here, um 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:04,799 I'd like to call this meeting to order 3 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:11,509 on July 22nd at 6:03 p.m. 4 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:14,080 » public participation. Ann, did we get 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,719 anything? 6 00:00:14,719 --> 00:00:17,199 >> We did not. 7 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:19,439 We just for um just to let you know, 8 00:00:19,439 --> 00:00:21,760 Susan Aldo is here. She's sitting in my 9 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,279 office. She works in the water 10 00:00:23,279 --> 00:00:25,359 department. She's actually the one who's 11 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:27,519 sending out all the July bills right 12 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:29,760 now. So, she's just sitting in. No 13 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,549 problem. 14 00:00:34,559 --> 00:00:37,440 All right, we got some minutes to 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,800 approve, too. I did, one of the notes I 16 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,320 did make, I think we just got to change 17 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,079 the dates on um one of the minutes to 18 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:49,680 the 27th of May, I believe. 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:50,960 I don't know if anyone else caught 20 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,480 anything else they wanted changed on 21 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:53,199 those. 22 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:55,680 >> Chris, I caught just one thing. I think 23 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,320 >> on the I think it was the second set of 24 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,680 minutes where it referenced the 25 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,440 abatement request. It may have been the 26 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,039 first set. I can't remember. One of them 27 00:01:03,039 --> 00:01:07,200 it says that the spigot was off for an 28 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,479 extended period of time. I think it 29 00:01:08,479 --> 00:01:10,159 meant to say the spigot was on for an 30 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:11,520 extended period of time. 31 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:11,840 >> Yeah. 32 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,240 >> So that's that was my only change. 33 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:19,109 >> Okay. 34 00:01:19,119 --> 00:01:22,400 So the May 18th minutes, I believe that 35 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,479 reference the um abatement is the 36 00:01:24,479 --> 00:01:28,000 correct date, right? So we can we could 37 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,240 uh entertain a a motion to approve those 38 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,520 minutes. 39 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,439 >> So moved. 40 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:34,960 >> All in favor? 41 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:39,439 >> I motion carries 30. 42 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:42,640 And then Oh, and oh, I'm sorry. I should 43 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,040 have um corrected that too. just with 44 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,600 that correction on on left on for the 45 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:54,630 spigot like Elena noted. 46 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,720 And then the second set of uh minutes we 47 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,960 have is from May 27th with the corrected 48 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,439 date. I don't know if there was any uh 49 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:03,680 corrections anyone would want that or 50 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,159 they noticed. 51 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:07,840 >> I didn't have any comments on that one. 52 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,800 >> Neither did I. Okay. Same. 53 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,160 >> Okay. 54 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,879 >> I'll make a motion to approve. 55 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:17,120 I'll second. 56 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,120 >> Oh, that's okay. 57 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:20,640 >> All in [clears throat] favor? I 58 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:21,760 >> I. 59 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,360 >> Motion carries. 30. 60 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,830 >> Okay. 61 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,640 All right. Item number four, irrigation 62 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:36,239 and abatement discussion. 63 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:37,840 Would like to kick it off? 64 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,800 >> I'll go with that one. So um 65 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,959 we are due 66 00:02:44,959 --> 00:02:48,080 to review irrigation second meters the 67 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,640 outdoor moratorum um again this season 68 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,680 and what we wanted to do today was kind 69 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,000 of start the conversation by basically 70 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,159 having a kickoff um and I'll explain you 71 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:03,680 know some of the things that you know 72 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:05,519 we're thinking of on this end uh in a 73 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:09,920 second but um if you go back to uh when 74 00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:11,920 Ann and I, it feels like forever ago, 75 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:14,319 but um the first town council meeting in 76 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,879 June uh when we were in there, we got a 77 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:18,800 couple of interesting questions um 78 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,440 towards the end, you know, about um the 79 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,920 rate setting process and then, you know, 80 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:26,319 we were talking about the discount and 81 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:28,159 uh it was raised, you know, one of the 82 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:30,720 things of I think with anything, you 83 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,040 know, the the way that the fiscal 84 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,920 constraints and things are, you know, 85 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 are we doing, you know, what is 86 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,640 considered I guess I'll paraphrase but 87 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,159 you know average or or common uh in this 88 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:47,519 universe as as far as you know uh costs 89 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:49,760 fees you know different program pieces 90 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,920 uh and whatnot and um it was actually 91 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:53,840 mentioned on whether or not we've ever 92 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,440 evaluated 93 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,560 uh the discount and whether that should 94 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,959 be something that should ultimately be 95 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:04,400 brought up again um and discussed as far 96 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,799 as you know should that apply across the 97 00:04:06,799 --> 00:04:09,680 board uh should that be, you know, 98 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,599 limited in certain ways? Is there some 99 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:14,080 sort of eligibility criteria, you know, 100 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,360 that we should look at, you know, 101 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,199 because basically we've just been going 102 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:20,560 on since I can remember um where that 103 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,720 was applied across the board. So, when 104 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,880 we started, you know, getting the wheels 105 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,440 spinning um on this topic, 106 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,639 we were thinking about, you know, kind 107 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:33,440 of the same thing. So um Chris to your 108 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,759 point one of the things that we've 109 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,400 altered now every time that we start you 110 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,600 know presenting you know our rate 111 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,040 package and getting that conversation 112 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,160 going is you had made the suggestion uh 113 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,759 a few years ago now I think at this 114 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:47,759 point it was really beneficial to you to 115 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:49,600 see that you know comparison slide with 116 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,360 everything kind of total together so you 117 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,520 could see you know the big impact with 118 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,400 all the pieces put together. So with all 119 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,240 those things in mind, we wanted to get 120 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,240 you all together and kind of talk about 121 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,520 you know as we go down this road uh and 122 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:04,720 there'll be a couple things that we'll 123 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,600 kind of review um in parallel to each 124 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,039 other. So if you remember you know we 125 00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:11,360 had done some work on um a billing 126 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,000 dispute policy um some pool abatement 127 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,320 stuff and then obviously irrigation but 128 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,240 we wanted to you know kind of plant the 129 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,600 seed uh to you guys and say 130 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:22,880 you know typically we've taken the 131 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,400 approach with the the irrigation piece 132 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:25,680 where we've kind of taken a bunch of 133 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,560 hypothetical scenarios and trying to 134 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,039 benchmark you know here's what a lot of 135 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:32,960 participation may look like and you know 136 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,800 how things from the financial standpoint 137 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,960 may or may not change. you know, here's 138 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,400 what we consider sort of like your 139 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,880 mid-tier, you know, participation, and 140 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,520 then here is a scenario where the 141 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,240 participation rate is relatively high. 142 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,639 We wanted to see, you know, or at least, 143 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,479 you know, have the kickoff conversation 144 00:05:50,479 --> 00:05:52,160 to see if there's anything else that 145 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,800 anybody may want to see different this 146 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,880 time around rather than kind of going 147 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,000 through um a little bit of the same, you 148 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,720 know, repeat process that we've seen 149 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,160 before. 150 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,240 um you know, is there any different data 151 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,639 or the way things are presented that 152 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:10,720 might make us 153 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,880 feel more informed when it comes time to 154 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,800 ultimately make a recommendation to the 155 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,479 council? Um you know, we'll obviously 156 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:21,039 have the I'll call it the foundational 157 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:23,520 things like you know, regulatory 158 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,039 compliance will be one of the things we 159 00:06:25,039 --> 00:06:26,880 looked at. If you remember last time, 160 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,639 not only do we run the financial piece, 161 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:30,560 but we took a look at, you know, what is 162 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,120 a policy related to participation might 163 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,759 look like with this. Um, so you have the 164 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:37,039 regulatory piece that we want to make 165 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:38,560 sure that we touch on, you know, and 166 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:39,759 different things like, you know, your 167 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:42,160 property is up to code with plumbing and 168 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,080 different things like that. But we 169 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,000 really wanted to see or, you know, get 170 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,080 creative if there are any other, you 171 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,600 know, um, pieces or nuances to this that 172 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,240 we think that we should explore. 173 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,800 um you know outside of kind of what 174 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,400 we've already done. And if that's not 175 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,240 the case, that's totally fine, too. We 176 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,360 just want to make sure that there are 177 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,680 any stones that we want to turn over uh 178 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,919 that we don't get too far down the road 179 00:07:05,919 --> 00:07:08,000 uh on one path versus the other, you 180 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,720 know, so we don't pision pigeon hole 181 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,880 ourselves. So, that's kind of where we 182 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,800 were thinking uh about tonight is to try 183 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,479 to kick that off, you know, and at least 184 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:19,039 get the wheels turning on that. Um, and 185 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:22,479 then at some point in time, uh, after, 186 00:07:22,479 --> 00:07:24,240 um, you know, a little bit of back and 187 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,479 forth or whatever we decide to do 188 00:07:26,479 --> 00:07:28,720 tonight, um, we could come up with 189 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,199 whatever our date might be, try to put a 190 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,120 benchmark, uh, on the calendar to say, 191 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,680 okay, you know, by X date, we want our 192 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,080 base data to start looking at, and then 193 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,680 start working it from there. And then 194 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:40,960 you know we can go through the process 195 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,199 of taking the first sit and kneading 196 00:07:43,199 --> 00:07:44,800 that into you know whatever it might 197 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,440 materialize to get to the point where 198 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,440 you know there's a comfortability with 199 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,000 decision- making. So um that's what 200 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,039 we're hoping to intend to do today. Um 201 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:58,400 but u I will leave it up to the board 202 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,720 the group um whatever you folks may 203 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,800 think not think comments questions 204 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,000 concern uh we're all ears. uh we're just 205 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,280 trying to narrow down the lane that 206 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,039 we're going to run in and you know get 207 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:12,720 you folks what you might need um to be 208 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,759 comfortable with whatever the 209 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:16,720 conversation may take us next. 210 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,960 >> So I have a question on what you said 211 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,479 right at the start about the discount 212 00:08:20,479 --> 00:08:22,319 program. I think you know my thoughts 213 00:08:22,319 --> 00:08:24,160 that I love the discount program. I 214 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,199 think it is um basically just a 215 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:29,199 feel-good way of getting people to pay 216 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:32,479 their bills quickly. Um whereas if you 217 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:33,919 took away the discount program the cost 218 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:35,440 of the bills would be essentially the 219 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,880 same um as with the discount if that's 220 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,320 how most people are paying the bills 221 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,080 like if that's the revenue that we need 222 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,200 and we're collecting it with the 223 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,160 discount program in place then then you 224 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:49,519 know in essence we are um we'd be paying 225 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:50,880 the same amount it just wouldn't be 226 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,080 called a discount anymore. Um but my 227 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:55,680 biggest question is you mentioned like 228 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,839 should there be eligibility criteria. Do 229 00:08:57,839 --> 00:08:59,760 you have anything in mind that would 230 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,920 like take somebody out of the running 231 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,920 for getting the discount? 232 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,800 >> No, I don't. And I my my own personal 233 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,360 opinion I kind of I align basically with 234 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,560 where you are, Elena. Um it's not 235 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:14,800 broken. We haven't touched it. Why fix 236 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,640 it? Right. But I think, you know, at 237 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,560 least having that brief conversation at 238 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,959 that time kind of got us thinking like 239 00:09:20,959 --> 00:09:22,800 maybe we need to think a little bit more 240 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,600 outside the box than we normally do to 241 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,720 kind of make sure that, you know, we're 242 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,839 vetting everything that we can. Um, we 243 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:32,640 don't have anything in mind really. Um, 244 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,519 you know, there's no 245 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:38,000 predetermined preconceived notions, uh, 246 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,440 anything like that. I mean, you know, 247 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,760 we've heard, we hear it, I'm sure you 248 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,519 folks hear it. I know you definitely see 249 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,480 it uh in in your daytoday uh Monday 250 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,399 through Friday. All the differing 251 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,560 opinions depend on what side you might 252 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:53,440 be on uh with this really. You know, 253 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,120 I'll speak for myself. I'm pretty sure 254 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Ann aligns with me too. Um we fall right 255 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,600 in line with you know, it's the 256 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,920 community's decision. It's you know, you folks of the board that is kind of 257 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,760 like we vet this through. Uh you have a 258 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,240 different contact base than what we do. 259 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,080 So you may hear things, see things, 260 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,200 experience things that are different 261 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,519 than what we may what or we may assume. 262 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:15,440 Uh and then ultimately the town council 263 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,839 is the next level up from that. So we 264 00:10:17,839 --> 00:10:18,800 just want to make sure that we're 265 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,399 open-minded to anything that we think 266 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,959 may be beneficial to explore, not 267 00:10:22,959 --> 00:10:25,600 explore. You know, it could be just we 268 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,200 know that we don't want to go direction 269 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,240 X because we feel very strongly that, 270 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:31,200 you know, that's not going to be 271 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,640 something that's, you know, an efficient 272 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,880 use of our time and that's great, too. 273 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,240 We just want to make sure that it's all 274 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,600 out there and if there's anything that 275 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,600 anybody particularly wants to see, do 276 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,800 experience or not. Um 277 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,320 that we know about, you know, that and 278 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,920 we're talking about that early. That way 279 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,519 we don't get too far ahead and wish that 280 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:49,279 we could go back or have to pivot. And 281 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:50,640 you know, what we don't want to have to 282 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,959 do is have a bunch of meetings where, 283 00:10:52,959 --> 00:10:55,360 you know, we're not using your time, you 284 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,160 know, efficiently. So, anything that we 285 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,640 could do to kind of 286 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,399 help that is really what we're seeking. 287 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:04,000 I guess there's a really long way of 288 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,120 answering a question, but 289 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,959 >> yeah, I kind of went through the the 290 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:10,560 wheels spinning as you were talking 291 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:13,680 before about what eligibility criteria 292 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:15,760 you could even consider. And I thought, 293 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,440 well, you know, if you have like leans 294 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,200 on past bills or something, maybe you're 295 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,399 not eligible. But then I was thinking, 296 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:23,600 well, those might be the people who need 297 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,760 the discounts the most, so you don't 298 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,279 want to necessarily go down that road. 299 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:30,079 And then I thought, you know, maybe it's 300 00:11:30,079 --> 00:11:32,079 people who like set up for automatic 301 00:11:32,079 --> 00:11:33,839 payment online so that you're guaranteed 302 00:11:33,839 --> 00:11:35,200 that you get the payment like the day 303 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,040 after the bill comes out or something. 304 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,240 But then I thought, well, that could be 305 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,519 construed as being favor as favoring 306 00:11:41,519 --> 00:11:43,040 younger people, people who are more 307 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,279 computer savvy, maybe not as senior 308 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:47,839 friendly. Um, so then the only thing I 309 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:49,200 could think of that like maybe could 310 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,959 make somebody ineligible is if they've 311 00:11:50,959 --> 00:11:53,360 been assessed like a tampering fee or 312 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,600 something like or or if they don't have 313 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,200 a new meter and we're trying to get or 314 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,279 like if they have estimated reads and 315 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:01,120 they won't let us in the house for a new 316 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,920 meter. Like maybe there are some really 317 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,600 kind of oddball cases that are probably 318 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,760 few and far between where we would say 319 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,639 somebody wasn't eligible. But then 320 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:12,160 that's probably a lot of work for not a 321 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,629 lot of benefit. 322 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:18,639 Yeah, I I agree. I like that thinking 323 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:20,560 because I was trying to think too like I 324 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:22,240 can't think of anybody that would be 325 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,240 ineligible, but I I liked where you went 326 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,040 with all three scenarios and and I agree 327 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,240 with all of them actually. I mean that 328 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:29,519 would be the only one I could think of. 329 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:30,880 I didn't even think of that. So I think 330 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,720 that's a great point, right? Like if 331 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,480 which you know they need to update a 332 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,720 meter and they're not then, you know, 333 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,040 maybe that's one way to motivate them to get it updated. But I agree with the 334 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,120 others as well. You don't necessarily 335 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,560 want to penalize anyone for doing 336 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:48,000 autopay because we like that they're 337 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,920 doing autopay. Um, so yeah. No, I I 100% 338 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,839 agree and I do also agree with the 339 00:12:53,839 --> 00:12:56,639 discount. You know, you hate to kind of 340 00:12:56,639 --> 00:12:58,720 take it away and I my understanding is 341 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,160 most other towns do it. I have 342 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,440 properties in other towns and they do 343 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,959 the same. You get a discount for paying 344 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:06,560 early. Um, I will say I think the 345 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,560 discount's a little smaller than ours. 346 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,120 Um, but I also and I don't I should 347 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,560 probably know this. What is our discount 348 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:14,480 for paying early? I actually don't know 349 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,600 what it is. 350 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,120 >> Uh 10%. 351 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,639 >> 10%. Okay, that's great. Um and I'd also 352 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:24,639 say to, you know, we have that I' I'd 353 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:27,200 hate to kind of give that up at this 354 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,800 stage too, right? Like if there's some 355 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,560 other reason we need money, then maybe 356 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,639 we can reduce it to 5%. Like if we have 357 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,040 a shortfall, maybe that's where in the 358 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120 future we can say, "Okay, now it's 5%." 359 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,480 But I definitely think we should keep a 360 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,949 discount uh as well. 361 00:13:42,959 --> 00:13:45,680 I I agree there too guys in all valid 362 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:47,920 good points and I think with the 363 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,760 discount too I don't know if it's like a 364 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,079 mental thing and in a in a good way 365 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:54,320 where people visually see that and like 366 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,079 oh wow you know I'm saving money even if 367 00:13:56,079 --> 00:13:59,279 they aren't I do think you know from my 368 00:13:59,279 --> 00:14:01,600 standpoint from like the work I do over 369 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,399 the years and collecting money it does 370 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:06,560 help collect money believe it or not too 371 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:09,040 it gives an incentive you know I want to 372 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,959 keep paying my bill I want the discount 373 00:14:10,959 --> 00:14:13,120 So there is a couple ways to look at it 374 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,920 too and I do think those are all valid 375 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,160 points and we definitely should um keep 376 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,880 that discount for now. 377 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,360 >> Yeah, I'll just let me backtrack for a 378 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,399 second. I think you know everybody 379 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:28,079 thinks the same. I think hearing that 380 00:14:28,079 --> 00:14:30,880 like I said at that time was like oh 381 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:32,320 maybe everything needs to be taken a 382 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,440 look you know maybe we got to look at 383 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,880 everything again anyway. Let's not 384 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,120 assume anything moving forward. So, we 385 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:39,920 want to make sure before we take a step 386 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,040 that, you know, the gears are turning 387 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,040 and, you know, we're not just assuming 388 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,360 again that if there's anything that may 389 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,880 be appropriate to bring up, not bring 390 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,040 up, like I said, you know, let's throw 391 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,480 it out there and run through it and see 392 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,959 what happens because anything is 393 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:57,279 possible, I think, at that point. Um, 394 00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:58,800 >> do you have any chronic problems with 395 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,560 people who like won't let you swap out a 396 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:01,839 meter or who you're chronically 397 00:15:01,839 --> 00:15:03,760 estimating reads or something? And do 398 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,279 you have other penalties for those 399 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:06,480 folks? 400 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,399 >> There is uh generally we try everything 401 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:11,279 we can to not have to do that. Um I 402 00:15:11,279 --> 00:15:12,560 would think that you know if we get to 403 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,240 the point where we're looking at 404 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,079 policies and things like that, one of 405 00:15:16,079 --> 00:15:19,120 the things you know to make you be able 406 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,320 to um participate in this should it be 407 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,720 reversed or whatnot. We would probably 408 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,160 our preference would be at least on our 409 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,399 side that you know whatever um domestic 410 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:30,959 meter you have and or alternate meter 411 00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:33,839 whatever that could end up being is able 412 00:15:33,839 --> 00:15:36,480 to be uh remotely read. So you know it's 413 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,800 up to date. Um and that will naturally 414 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:39,920 you know someone that's interested in 415 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,440 that that may have a meter that you know 416 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,560 we prefer to replace. Obviously that's a 417 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,560 great way to perform that intervention 418 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,240 at that time you know they benefit we 419 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,800 benefit. So we probably want to include 420 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,199 that as something you know that you know 421 00:15:53,199 --> 00:15:55,040 under the eligibility criteria you know 422 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,519 that you know that is one of those 423 00:15:57,519 --> 00:15:58,880 things that we would say you know you 424 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,480 either need to be able to do this or um 425 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,000 you know you have to pre-arrange for us 426 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,600 to get you to that point and that you 427 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,839 can move on through you know whatever 428 00:16:07,839 --> 00:16:10,000 follows behind that. So, 429 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,720 >> is that a big hassle for 430 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,480 um and what did you say the woman's name 431 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,550 is who's sitting with you? 432 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:19,759 » Susan. 433 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:22,720 Is that a big hassle for Susan if 434 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,959 there are now a handful of accounts that 435 00:16:24,959 --> 00:16:26,480 don't get the discount? Do those bills 436 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,000 have to be manually produced 437 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,399 differently? 438 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:31,839 >> No, we can actually fix them in the 439 00:16:31,839 --> 00:16:34,160 system. No, we can we actually can 440 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,320 charge them a fee for not swapping out 441 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,000 their meter. 442 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:40,560 >> So it's not 443 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,920 >> Would that be a cleaner way of doing it 444 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,519 then to do a fee rather than taking away 445 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:44,399 the discount? 446 00:16:44,399 --> 00:16:48,710 >> That I believe so. 447 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,160 » I think so. The way that the rates are 448 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,920 programmed in the billing software, the 449 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,720 discount is all based on time. Um 450 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:55,120 >> Okay. 451 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,240 >> You bring up an interesting point 452 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,839 though. If you do have something that is 453 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:01,440 what you might not consider the most 454 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,319 upto-date um should that be a 455 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:08,079 consideration where you know 456 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:09,439 maybe you're not eligible for whatever 457 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:11,679 benefits are out there that's I've never 458 00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:17,120 thought of that before until right now. 459 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:20,559 >> We uh we did find out that you can offer 460 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:23,520 a discount by tier. 461 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,600 So you could take the discount away from 462 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,640 tier four or tier three, but still offer 463 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,360 it for one and two. I'm not suggesting 464 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:33,200 that as an idea. I'm just saying we 465 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,280 recently were learning some things at 466 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,440 Ununice and the program does allow you 467 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,360 to do that. 468 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:40,640 >> That's really interesting. I mean, I 469 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,640 don't know. That would be a big hit for 470 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,880 those tier four users to not have that 471 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,600 discount. 472 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,200 >> Plus, they wouldn't let anyone use water 473 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,640 the last two days if they were going to 474 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,282 go into tier four. Like they've been 475 00:17:50,282 --> 00:17:51,919 [laughter] shutting the water off at the 476 00:17:51,919 --> 00:17:52,400 uh 477 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,720 >> Yeah. street. But yes, it is. I'm just 478 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,160 throwing it out there because we we had 479 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,320 learned it in the last couple weeks. 480 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,400 >> Yeah, that is interesting. 481 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,400 >> So, I mean, should we consider like a 482 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,559 manual read fee for the meters that 483 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:05,919 where people haven't been willing to 484 00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:07,440 swap them out? 485 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,440 >> So, that is that is there now. Um 486 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:10,400 >> Oh, it is. Okay. 487 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,880 >> Yeah, there's the ability to do that. 488 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,720 Um, you know, some of the other things, 489 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,480 just to put some context on it, that 490 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,120 have been looked at throughout the 491 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,240 years, um, at one point in time during 492 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,280 the 90s, they there was a look to see 493 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,080 whether or not, um, 494 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:29,679 Wakefield should entertain like a 495 00:18:29,679 --> 00:18:31,679 commercial residential split. At the 496 00:18:31,679 --> 00:18:33,440 time, uh, back then, the board of 497 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,320 selectmen decided not to do that. They 498 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,240 thought that it wasn't going to be, uh, 499 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,760 businessfriendly. 500 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,559 Um, and we've never really 501 00:18:42,559 --> 00:18:45,360 entertained that, you know, much more of 502 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:46,960 a brief conversation just because the 503 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,160 commercial base is so small. Um, you 504 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,480 know, things like that. Um, one of the 505 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,559 things that you probably could consider 506 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:56,400 if we were looking at irrigation and 507 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,679 outdoor use. Um, I know some communities 508 00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:02,400 will 509 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,880 limit, you know, participation to, you 510 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,480 know, a meter up to X size. 511 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,240 um you know anything you know above and 512 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,360 beyond whatever they consider is you 513 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:17,679 know their threshold for change um 514 00:19:17,679 --> 00:19:19,760 eligibility potentially changes you know 515 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,200 at that point um you know there's a 516 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,919 whole bunch of different you know pieces 517 00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:27,520 to it and I think every community that 518 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,160 you look at does things relatively the 519 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,640 same but just slightly different enough 520 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,400 um 521 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,080 you know where it could be interesting 522 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,029 to compare apples to apples on 523 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,400 » I I think the um commercial versus 524 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:45,919 residential rate and maybe we've talked 525 00:19:45,919 --> 00:19:48,320 about this at one point before but that 526 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,720 gets into a big debate over what is 527 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,640 truly residential versus what's truly 528 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,840 commercial 529 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,160 >> and like you know if there's a large 530 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,880 apartment complex with a that's owned by 531 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,000 some giant property management company 532 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,840 um you know that's a residential 533 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,000 building but it's it's being run as a 534 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,880 business. So what is it? And I think 535 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:14,640 that that argument may not be worth that 536 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,520 hassle may not be worth the whatever 537 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,000 you'd gain from it. I mean, ideally, I 538 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,120 guess the, you know, for the residents 539 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:25,200 of Wakefield, they would probably want 540 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,720 commercial to be charged a little bit 541 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,039 more because it is a business, but at 542 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:31,039 the end of the day, it would probably be 543 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:34,400 a minimal impact on people's water bills 544 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,840 and a big time sync of people arguing 545 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,280 about what's residential and what's 546 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,080 commercial. 547 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:43,919 >> Yes. Like some of the other things, you 548 00:20:43,919 --> 00:20:46,080 know, that can be thought about as we go 549 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,799 on this process, too. like I'll use um 550 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,640 our neighbors to the to the west um 551 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,200 within the last year and a half maybe 552 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,280 two years I forget exactly how long it's 553 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,200 been um they were a similar setup to 554 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,480 Wakefield uh and reverse but what they 555 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,280 did was because as we know you know when 556 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,520 you take these financial 557 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,679 projections so like every cubic foot 558 00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:11,840 that we take out of sewer then you know 559 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,640 alters the sewer rate to whatever degree 560 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,720 um they decided two at the time. Um, and 561 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,000 I'm pretty sure it's still functioning 562 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,200 that way now. I'd have to confirm it. 563 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,720 They were going to reverse and they were 564 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,240 going to cap, you know, at least the 565 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,840 first phase of participation at a 566 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,840 certain number. That way, you know, 567 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,559 there was this they could dictate the 568 00:21:32,559 --> 00:21:34,320 pace a little bit, kind of slow the roll 569 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,520 out. That way, you know, not that it was 570 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,440 probably ever feasible to to happen like 571 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,080 that, but you didn't have 1,500 2,000 572 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,240 properties all at one time. now all of a 573 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,919 sudden 574 00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:47,840 swing the rate structure in a way that 575 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,679 was going to take you know more you know 576 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:53,120 drastic or you know more volatile rate 577 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,280 action I guess to to counteract whatever 578 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,520 that may be it might eliminate like 250 579 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,440 or something like that but you know 580 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,600 that's something that um we can keep at 581 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,120 the back of our heads as you know we 582 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,120 move forward and kind of review all this 583 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:08,799 as well um so you know literally the sky 584 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:10,320 is the limit there's nothing that's off 585 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,640 the table as far as 586 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,240 at least just getting the words out, you 587 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,600 know, saying it out loud and seeing if 588 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,240 it's something, you know, that might be 589 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,840 worth exploring in more depth or might 590 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,600 not be. 591 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,679 >> Do you think capping it may incentivize 592 00:22:23,679 --> 00:22:26,559 people to do it faster? 593 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:28,559 Like it might have the reverse effect 594 00:22:28,559 --> 00:22:30,559 because people are like they might not 595 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,240 keep the program after they do these 596 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,240 first 250 and I want to get in while I 597 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,919 can so I'm going to fast track. 598 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:40,799 >> That's a good It could 599 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:42,080 >> I have no idea. 600 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,600 >> Yeah. You never. Yeah. Right. Like 601 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:44,960 almost like someone sees it as like it's 602 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,320 a sale and they got to take advantage of 603 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:47,280 it while it's there. 604 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,640 >> Right. Right. Because they're worried it 605 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,080 might go away again, 606 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:50,400 >> right? 607 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,400 >> You know, since it was gone for so long. 608 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,240 I have no idea. But that's that's almost 609 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,159 like the psychology of how I would think 610 00:22:56,159 --> 00:23:00,549 of it if I wanted it. 611 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:02,480 Now, I think before, so the last time we 612 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,080 did this and we put together some of 613 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,480 like the 614 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,080 some of the financials to it, I think 615 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,840 the three scenarios we used, so we used 616 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,640 like a low-end scenario where out of the 617 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,000 8,000 customers and change, uh, we 618 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,320 picked, you know, 500 um, of the heavier 619 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,720 users. So we what we ended up doing was 620 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,039 taking the what we call non-watering 621 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,919 bills which is your winter bills versus 622 00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:30,159 you know your seasonal fluctuation. What 623 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:31,679 we did was we picked a benchmark and 624 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:34,480 anybody they exceeded a 30% increase. We 625 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,760 said this person or these persons are 626 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,679 probably doing some sort of watering or 627 00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:41,200 something outside where you know their 628 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,320 habits have changed now they're 629 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,679 consuming more. So the first batch that 630 00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:47,520 we took was, you know, a sample set of 631 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,480 500 of those properties to say, here's 632 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,520 who we think is doing this. Here's 500 633 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,440 of them. 634 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,520 Should that be the case, you know, 635 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,679 here's what the fluctuation breaks down 636 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:01,919 to from a dollars and cents standpoint, 637 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:03,919 you know, and how it counteracts the 638 00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:07,919 water and sewer enterprises. 639 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:10,559 Do we think 5,000 is I mean, excuse me, 640 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,120 500 641 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,520 is that an appropriate 642 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,120 sample size on the low end? So, I think 643 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,200 what we end up doing is we did 500, 644 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,480 a,000 and either 1500 or 2,000. I forget 645 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,360 off the top of my head, but 646 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:26,799 where we only ended up with the high end 647 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,600 is, you know, by basically surveying 648 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:30,880 everybody around and making some phone 649 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,559 calls to just ask, you know, out of your 650 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:37,279 customer base, how many customers, you know, generally 651 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:39,200 take advantage of, you know, this type 652 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,080 of thing. Um, and the mean at that time 653 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,799 was, you know, about 12 to,400. So, 654 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:48,480 we're a little north of that. But um I 655 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,320 don't know if we want to see something a 656 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,919 sample size smaller than that. Do we 657 00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:56,149 want to see bigger than that? Um 658 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,240 I honestly felt like we really vetted 659 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,400 this last year. I think we came up with 660 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,440 draft language of like criteria that 661 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,120 they would have to meet. And I know we 662 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,799 went we went back and forth on some 663 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:09,440 documents with wording and all. And I 664 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,799 think I felt like I honestly I don't 665 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:14,559 remember exactly all the details, but I 666 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:16,000 remember feeling very comfortable that 667 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,480 we had done our due diligence and that 668 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,480 if we went in that direction, if the 669 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,000 council decided they wanted to go in 670 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080 that direction, we felt sort of 671 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,039 prepared. Um, I think the roll out would 672 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,159 be fairly slow only because 673 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:33,120 it's a it's a significant effort to get 674 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:35,679 a plumber to come put in the new meter, 675 00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:39,120 you know, separate out your outdoor use 676 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:42,559 into, you know, a separate line inside. 677 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,080 Um, 678 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,760 you know, it's not like it's not like 679 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,200 people can just come down, pick up the 680 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,400 second meter, and then it's done. Um, so 681 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,720 I feel like there's going to be a wave 682 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,400 of people who've always wanted to do it, 683 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,320 who water a lot, who are going to sign 684 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,640 on right away, and then I think it would 685 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,240 just be like dribbs and drabs as, you 686 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,480 know, houses turn over or new houses are 687 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,720 built or 688 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,159 that that's what I would think. And I 689 00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:11,520 mean, I I get that it it would raise the 690 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,960 sewer rate for everybody else. Um, 691 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,760 but I do think it's fair not to charge 692 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,360 people for sewer. Um, 693 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,120 if they're not using the sewer. So, 694 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,640 yeah, I think I feel like we kind of 695 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,360 went all around with this last time and 696 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:30,960 I thought we ended up in a pretty good 697 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,080 spot. 698 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,200 So, what I would anticipate is to take 699 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,960 the draft language that you're just 700 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,520 talking about, send it back now that, 701 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,039 you know, we've kind of refreshed a 702 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:44,640 little bit and got this on the mind and 703 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,400 then we can as we reread it, we can 704 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,240 think of things like, oh, maybe we 705 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,080 should have done this. One of the things 706 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,640 I think now is is obviously more of a 707 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600 thing um than it was at the last time we 708 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,080 looked at this. ADUs now are a thing. 709 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,279 Um, that's reality. So you know how is 710 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,559 that handled? um you know if an ADU has 711 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,679 a separate you know meter account and 712 00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:10,559 you know we have like a duplex situation 713 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,200 can each pro you know 714 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,200 is should there be some consideration to 715 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,360 if that's the case you know is there one 716 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,840 irrigation system per property um do you 717 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,760 allow each unit you know whether it be 718 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,200 the the main address and the ADU um to 719 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,200 be able to take advantage of it so those 720 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,120 are kind of some of the little like 721 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,400 things to iron out but I think um That's 722 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,919 a little bit put in the cart before the 723 00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:35,039 horse. I think we need to get the 724 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:36,799 baseline down first and then we can kind 725 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,720 of layer some of that stuff, you know, 726 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,080 into some of the things that we think 727 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,240 about. 728 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,760 >> Joe, [clears throat] uh, one one thing 729 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,960 for everybody too. Um, 730 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,640 and I might be going backwards here, but 731 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,120 before I forget, um, my thought when you 732 00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:52,720 guys I know you're replacing a lot of 733 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,360 pipe in Wakefield. How has that been 734 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,440 going of getting response from residents 735 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,960 so you can like change everything out 736 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,200 you're supposed to? is like is that 737 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,039 being held up at all? 738 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,480 >> No, it's actually um kudos to the 739 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,919 citizens of Wakefield. It's going 740 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:10,480 actually goes quite well. I think um 741 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,760 >> Oh, good. 742 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,320 >> You know, there's always some someone 743 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,679 that may be a little concerned. They 744 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,039 have an older home and they think their 745 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,880 plumbing, you know, they're questioning 746 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,480 whether or not, you know, hooking up to 747 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,279 a spigot or something is is going to do 748 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,600 them more harm than good. Um but, you 749 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,960 know, we always have our staff with 750 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,399 whoever the contractors in there with 751 00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:30,480 them. Um, and we'll really bend over 752 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,840 backwards to make sure that there's 753 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,559 little to no impact as possible. 754 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,000 Generally, the way that these projects 755 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,159 have been going, uh, once the water gets 756 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:39,679 done, the sewer's already been done, the 757 00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:41,360 drainage is done, so the next thing on 758 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,000 the way is the road. Um, so they're more 759 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,760 excited to see all this get out of the 760 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,200 way so the street can get finished and 761 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,799 we can leave them alone for a decade or 762 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:49,760 two. 763 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,000 >> So, you know, 764 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,000 so good with that. No, I was just 765 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,039 curious because that was like another 766 00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,640 thing, you know, could you look at that, 767 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,159 you know, taking away their discount if 768 00:28:58,159 --> 00:28:59,840 they're not responding and letting you 769 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,520 change those pipes, but if you're not 770 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,520 having an issue, that's not nothing to 771 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:04,480 worry about then. 772 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,320 >> No, like I said, I mean, maybe it's an 773 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,919 extra conversation or two, but there's 774 00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:10,799 never an there's no real, at least that 775 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,720 comes to mind, no real like Hatfield 776 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,320 McCoy contentious standoff or anything 777 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:16,960 like that. 778 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,760 >> Okay. 779 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,039 >> So, that we don't have to worry about 780 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:22,240 that. And then um too like just in 781 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,159 discussion because as Elena said too, I 782 00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:26,159 know we we kind of did go through a lot 783 00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:28,799 of this and ironed it out uh last year 784 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,679 in terms of say like the second meter. 785 00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:34,159 um if it does get to that point and 786 00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:37,200 there's more push or we want to review 787 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,159 it more I think even some type of data 788 00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:42,880 you know make it you know plain for the 789 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,039 average citizen if if we start going 790 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,279 down that road of second uh meters like 791 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,440 this is what it could cost potentially 792 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,960 to the average you know water user some 793 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520 of you know easy language for people to 794 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,360 understand because you know dollars 795 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,960 matter to people and they're going to 796 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,080 want to see it so it would save us 797 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,520 hassle too 798 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,440 >> and one of the components to that Chris 799 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,320 too will obviously be you'll naturally 800 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,080 have the discussion of you know 801 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,120 should the moratorum change what should 802 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,039 the rate structure be or not be for that 803 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:20,720 does it follow the same thing as the 804 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,000 domestic side or you know is it some 805 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,520 communities consider it you know more of 806 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,039 a luxury so um maybe it doesn't drop as 807 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,360 low as tier one or tier too, but it it 808 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,640 kind of lands somewhere in like the 809 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,120 three range, right? So, that's one of 810 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,399 the things as we're doing all that, 811 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:39,520 we'll have to figure out um should 812 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,279 something like that be in place, you 813 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,279 know, what is really the offset. How 814 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:45,840 much does this to the closest that you 815 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,120 can be, right? There's going to be some 816 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,559 margin of error because there's a lot of 817 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,000 unknown, you know, as far as 818 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,799 participation goes. And we have no idea. 819 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,520 we can guess, you know, when you look at 820 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,640 this stuff all the time, tendencies 821 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,880 are pretty rhythmic as far as the 822 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,559 pattern they are for a lot of people. 823 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,159 So, you kind of have an idea of what 824 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:05,520 could be expected, but you never know. 825 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,039 As soon as somebody turns the faucet, 826 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:09,919 everything changes. So, um you but to 827 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:11,440 try to get as close as you can with that 828 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,120 so you know your margin of error, your 829 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,200 deviation isn't too big is where we're 830 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,760 trying to get to. 831 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,919 >> Okay. Thank you. 832 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:22,399 Joe, I don't remember on that note if we 833 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:25,360 landed on a recommendation last time as 834 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,080 to what tier the minimum tier should be 835 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,640 for the the second meter. I can't 836 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,960 remember if we talked about it or not, 837 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,039 but I do like the idea of like it's 838 00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:37,440 should start at least at tier 2 and I 839 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,799 don't think anybody should be paying 840 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,000 tier one rates for non-essential water. 841 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,480 I don't think we got too far into it. Uh 842 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,960 other than typically if history what 843 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360 we've mentioned were is that you know 844 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,720 should the town council um elect to um 845 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,559 I guess at this point go against what 846 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,640 the previous versions of the advisory 847 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,200 board's recommendation were. Um we had 848 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,880 always requested the time to be able to 849 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,039 at least take a peek at the rate uh a 850 00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,440 little closer. Um, but I think, you 851 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,919 know, this is the 20th time I think 852 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:14,960 we've done this in the last 16 or 17 853 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,559 years. It probably makes sense to just 854 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:18,559 say what what do we think this should be 855 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,960 and included with it, right? To get that 856 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,279 as well-rounded and as all-encompassing 857 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,279 as it can be. That way, you know, 858 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,840 there's no surprises should a decision 859 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080 get made and, you know, we're looking at 860 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,880 implementing something new, 861 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:33,919 something that doesn't come out after 862 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:35,519 the fact and say, "Oh, yeah, I am by the 863 00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,679 way." Now, you know, the rate structure 864 00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:39,840 is going to be this. It's get it out, be 865 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,159 transparent with it, and you know, let 866 00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:44,799 that all be part of all the criteria 867 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:47,440 that goes to making that decision. 868 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,440 >> So, if the council were to vote on that 869 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,039 this year, would it would our 870 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:52,480 recommendation be that it doesn't take 871 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,120 effect until fiscal 28 872 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,720 since we've already kind of set our 873 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,880 recommendation for the fiscal 27 rate or 874 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,640 we've already we're already in fiscal 875 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,679 27. So, would that be a 28? 876 00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:06,960 I would think um and correct me if I'm 877 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,559 wrong if anybody thinks this timeline is 878 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,159 off, but between now and sometime 879 00:33:12,159 --> 00:33:16,960 early late fall, let's say um 880 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,080 DBW, the board, we've done what we can 881 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,679 do. We're comfortable with whatever the 882 00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:24,000 package may look like, then present that 883 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,559 to the town council. Um, and I would say 884 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,640 that the recommendation would be, you 885 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,840 know, don't the start date to this would 886 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,880 be I'd probably say at the earliest July 887 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,320 1, 2027, just to give us the ability to 888 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,080 go through the whole uh rate setting 889 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,559 process. Um, get everything in place 890 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:44,320 that we need to to be able to take 891 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,080 applications for service and things like 892 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,039 that. Um, you know, that way we don't, 893 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:50,640 you know, hit the starting gun and then 894 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,919 find out that, you know, we weren't as 895 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:53,600 squared away as we needed to be. were 896 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,200 scrambling to get this thing to roll 897 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,320 out. So, I'd say by the earliest July 898 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,000 one, I don't know if I don't think you 899 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,279 probably need to push it any further 900 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,799 than that should there be a change. Um, 901 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,519 but I guess I won't know to complete 902 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,280 comfort level on answering that until we 903 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,720 see, you know, what it actually entails. 904 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,800 >> Yeah, that makes sense. 905 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,159 >> Yeah. No, I I agree with everything um, 906 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:19,679 you know, that that we were talking 907 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,280 about, you know, thank you Elena again 908 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,440 for that. I I think it does make sense 909 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,200 where I I also feel pretty good that we 910 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,720 ironed it out pretty good last year. So, 911 00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,159 I guess just kind of revisiting the 912 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:32,000 draft we did. Um, 913 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,839 and I don't have a pool, but I'm just 914 00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:35,359 thinking I don't know how pools would 915 00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:36,960 fall into this as well. Obviously, they 916 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,800 use a lot of water in the springtime to 917 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,320 fill their pools, but uh, you know, I 918 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,560 don't know how that would work in 919 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,200 whether it would qualify or not. So 920 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,520 that's an interesting So that has been a 921 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,240 practice that has been going on uh good, 922 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,839 bad or indifferent. It's always just 923 00:34:53,839 --> 00:34:56,000 been something that's been offered um by 924 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,160 the town to folks. If you have a pool, 925 00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,760 you have a building permit for your 926 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,079 pool, it's it's installed legally. Uh 927 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:03,599 they'll take the dimensions of your pool 928 00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:07,200 and for a fill um the sewer charge will 929 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,119 be deducted from that. I one of the 930 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:11,280 things uh that may or may not be on the 931 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,720 table depending on you know where this 932 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,920 lands is if there is a reversal to the 933 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,119 moratorum does the pool abatement uh 934 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:20,880 practice that's been long-standing go 935 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,000 away because someone now has the means 936 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,480 to set themselves up to be able to just 937 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,040 automatically have that abatement happen 938 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,720 through the other program function. Um 939 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,520 so depending on what A does might shift 940 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,520 B one way or the other. That's why, you 941 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,680 know, not to overload everybody, but it 942 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,119 kind of makes sense to start thinking 943 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:42,560 about these things alto together because 944 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,320 they are nuanced and overlap a little 945 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,640 bit here and there and the way one goes 946 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,760 could in influence the other one. So 947 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,599 >> that's interesting. I actually wasn't 948 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:52,880 aware of that and again probably because 949 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,920 I don't have a pool but um 950 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640 I guess that certainly leads to the 951 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,599 argument. Now I do have an irrigation um 952 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,400 as as the group knows you know so that's 953 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,720 interesting where the pool gets the 954 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,720 discount but the irrigation doesn't 955 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,640 right so neither are going in the source 956 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,680 system um so I guess that just that 957 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,440 brings that question up too and maybe 958 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,440 helps the cause for a second meter yeah 959 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,520 >> so just um just on the pole abatement 960 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,079 for a second um they're not offered it 961 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,400 every year we do it for like a new liner 962 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,920 or if it goes below half or it's a new 963 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,760 liner or a brand new pool. 964 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,440 >> A new liner or a brand new pool. So, 965 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,560 it's not like we're just doing it 966 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,960 because you want to top off your pool. 967 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,349 >> Gotcha. Good to know. Thank you. 968 00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:45,599 » It seems to me like there's no harm in 969 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,920 keeping that for people who have a pool 970 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,480 but don't opt to do the second meter. 971 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,839 >> Um 972 00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:53,760 >> because it the program is already in 973 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,640 place and it seems easy to administer. 974 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,520 um 975 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,880 >> you're really accomplishing the same 976 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,440 goal at the end of the day, right? 977 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,640 >> Yeah. And then if you have the second 978 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,920 meter, then you no longer have to 979 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,359 request the abatement or you wouldn't 980 00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:07,119 qualify for it because you're already 981 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:09,440 not not getting charged sewer for it, 982 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,079 >> right? Someone at some point must have 983 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,000 had a soft spot for pool owners or had 984 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,839 one in the queue. 985 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:17,520 >> Someone on the board had a pool 986 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,680 >> record. 987 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,880 I don't think you'll I don't think 988 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,240 you'll ever find that in meeting 989 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,599 minutes, but it could have been in the 990 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:24,710 back of someone's head where they were 991 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:26,960 [laughter] making the decision. 992 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,079 >> No pool here. I know that. 993 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:31,040 Oh, 994 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,359 >> closest thing to be is upset in the rain 995 00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:35,359 today, [laughter] 996 00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:38,000 >> right? I think the only other thing that 997 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,839 we didn't talk about that is on my mind 998 00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:44,880 is um Melrose does the if you don't have 999 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,920 a second meter, you pay sewer as 90% of 1000 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,520 your water usage. And if you do have a 1001 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,079 second meter, you say pay sewer as 100% 1002 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,720 of your water usage. And that's based on 1003 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:58,160 the sort of industry average of how much 1004 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,160 water people tend to use outside when 1005 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,839 they don't have irrigation systems. Just 1006 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:04,640 sort of your like non like the amount of 1007 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,160 water you use a dose doesn't end up in 1008 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,920 the sewer. Either water that you drink 1009 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,640 or water that you use to water your 1010 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,560 plants or whatever. Um the industry 1011 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,119 averages something like eight or 9%. So 1012 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:21,040 10% is a nice round number. Um, what I 1013 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,040 like about that is it mitigates a little 1014 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,040 bit of the change. If we were to 1015 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,440 suddenly go to having the second meters, 1016 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,680 it makes it so that people who don't get 1017 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,480 them, their sewer rate doesn't jump 1018 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,800 quite as high. And I think it's also 1019 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,920 very defensible with industry data. So, 1020 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,000 I like that system that we have in 1021 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,599 Melrose and I would advocate that we 1022 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,520 consider that. 1023 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,280 >> We can include that in uh the 1024 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,640 projections as an option to see it. I 1025 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,920 don't think I know we've talked about it 1026 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,960 before. I don't think we've actually 1027 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,320 ever laid it out, but um 1028 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,680 >> yeah, that'd be great. Thank you. 1029 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,200 >> Whatever we put together, we'll we'll 1030 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,480 include that so we can at least see it 1031 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,240 and talk it through, 1032 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:03,839 >> you know, with all the numbers everyone. 1033 00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:05,680 >> And then I know we did this slash here 1034 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,680 and I again I forget the details as 1035 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,720 well, but did we I think we tried to 1036 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,960 estimate like what the impact would be, 1037 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,800 right, for losing that revenue, right? 1038 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,320 And I know that's obviously something we 1039 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,480 have to take into account as well. 1040 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,440 >> Correct. So that's really the the 1041 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,280 educated guess that comes out of this is 1042 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,640 to project you know again every 100 1043 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,839 cubic feet that comes out of sewer. 1044 00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:31,839 What is the impact then across the board 1045 00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:33,839 to sewer and then what does that mean to 1046 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:36,160 the overall rate structure? Because 1047 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,560 obviously you know choose a round number 1048 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,520 of $100 was shifted out of you know the 1049 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,119 revenue stream. We have to make that up 1050 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:46,079 somehow. what what size what's the order 1051 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,960 of magnitude of that impact. So that's 1052 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,800 kind of the main premise behind you know 1053 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,040 taking a couple sample sets to say you 1054 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,000 know at 500 people using you know x 1055 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,880 amount of water the value is this which 1056 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,200 means you know the rate that we set last 1057 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,520 year for $5 a cubic foot now turns to 1058 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,119 $55 1059 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,359 or you know whatever that may be. So how 1060 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:10,000 do you offset that? So that'll be you 1061 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,520 know a lot of um 1062 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,280 the deliverable I guess at at the end of 1063 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,720 the exercise of the projection is 1064 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:18,640 getting to that point to say okay you 1065 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,839 know how did the scale shift and does it 1066 00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:26,560 move to such a dramatic difference that 1067 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,440 it gives you know apprehension um or you 1068 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,040 know is it close enough I guess what is 1069 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,839 the what is the margin where 1070 00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:35,520 you know it's it's moving too much and 1071 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,880 then what is the margin where you know 1072 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,720 it's demonstrated a little bit movement 1073 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,000 But, you know, it's it's not something 1074 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,920 that we think is unreasonable, 1075 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,109 >> right? 1076 00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:47,200 » All good points, guys. This is all good 1077 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,870 stuff. 1078 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,119 » One thing is So, does anybody think uh 1079 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,920 just is there anything that we think 1080 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,640 needs to be completely off limits that 1081 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,040 we don't want to focus any time or 1082 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,200 attention on? Um, 1083 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,359 as far as examining any of this or, you 1084 00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,160 know, reviewing it in more more depth as 1085 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,480 we keep going, 1086 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,520 is there anything that's just a 1087 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,280 non-starter? Like, does anybody have any 1088 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,040 strong opinions one way or the other? 1089 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,480 You know, not to use an example, but you 1090 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,079 know, if you know, brick building should 1091 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:26,079 not get any sort of um program that 1092 00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,079 requires them getting any discount or 1093 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,720 anything like that. Um, does anybody 1094 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:32,240 have any strong feelings one way or the 1095 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,599 other on anything that they think, you 1096 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,119 know, 1097 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:36,960 we should not focus on right away or we 1098 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,400 should focus on right away to rule it 1099 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,510 out? 1100 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,319 » No, I don't. 1101 00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:42,960 >> No, 1102 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,599 >> not that I can think of at the moment. 1103 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,040 >> I mean, like, it's funny. I don't know 1104 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,960 why this popped in my mind, and I don't 1105 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,440 know. This is more commercial. I'm just 1106 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,200 thinking, 1107 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,960 you know, I I don't know. Do car washers 1108 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,839 pay the same price as everybody else? 1109 00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:00,160 Um, you know, I guess we have a couple 1110 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,079 car washes in town. I don't know. Do 1111 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:04,079 they get a discount because of the abs, 1112 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:05,839 you know, the high volume they use or do 1113 00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:08,000 we charge them more or do we change 1114 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,680 their structure? I don't know. And it 1115 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,960 just popped in my mind. I don't know 1116 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,240 why, but just wanted to share it with 1117 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:15,119 the group. 1118 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:16,720 >> Sure. Some of those car washers might 1119 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:18,240 even recycle the water. 1120 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,480 >> They probably have some type of 1121 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,880 >> filtration on I don't know. That's just 1122 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,480 >> they're smart. Yeah, if they're smart, 1123 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,800 they should. [laughter] 1124 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,960 There is a component to that uh where 1125 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,880 the two that I've personally been able 1126 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,000 to do recycle a portion of the water. I 1127 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,880 don't know if that's dictated by the 1128 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,480 plumbing code or some regulation um or 1129 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,319 not. I I don't know that off the top of 1130 00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:45,280 my head, but um I know that is a thing 1131 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,040 and that generally does happen. Um how 1132 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,440 effective that is I guess is another 1133 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,560 story I couldn't even tell you. But um 1134 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,160 you if we want to explore that more, I 1135 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,359 don't mind digging that up to um explain 1136 00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:04,710 that in better detail than this. 1137 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,400 » I'm fine either way. It was just a 1138 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,240 curiosity, I guess. 1139 00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,240 >> It's a good point. It's worth looking 1140 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,440 into, I guess. 1141 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,960 >> Yeah. Yeah. And Joe, if you think of any 1142 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,280 other uses that are odd like that that 1143 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,000 are big users of water that doesn't end 1144 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,040 up in the sewer necessarily. Um or maybe 1145 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,119 that all does go to the sewer. I don't I 1146 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:26,560 don't know. After it all gets recycled, 1147 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,720 does the rest of it go to the sewer? 1148 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,920 >> Uh I'd have to look I the last one that 1149 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,359 was done. I'd have to look at the civil 1150 00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:35,760 plan to see. I think it goes to an oil 1151 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,440 water separator and then it probably 1152 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,119 does. Um I'm not 100% but it's it's 1153 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,520 funny. Elena, you'll get this. So, our 1154 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,839 agreement with the MWA is up to renew. 1155 00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:47,440 In the questionnaire that they send out, 1156 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,280 you know, is do you anticipate any users 1157 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,480 that go over 20 million cubic feet, you 1158 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,079 know, per year? And I'm I'm think I'm 1159 00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:55,440 like, I don't even know what could 1160 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,599 possibly use so much water here in 1161 00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,240 Wakefield that I would have to fill this 1162 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,240 out and say yes. Um, 1163 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,040 >> yeah, 1164 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,200 >> I know data centers are a huge thing. 1165 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,200 Um, you know, that's been 1166 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,079 >> that's been all over the Facebook page. 1167 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:12,000 >> Yeah. I don't know if that's a real Do 1168 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,680 you know if that's a real consideration? 1169 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,599 Because honestly, we should be 1170 00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:16,800 >> No. 1171 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,400 >> It really is. 1172 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,760 >> I hope not. But 1173 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,280 >> I don't know. I mean, the only the only 1174 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,680 thing I can compare it to, 1175 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,920 >> you hear the stories about and and I'm 1176 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,280 very elementary on this, but you hear 1177 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,800 the stories about the Midwest and these 1178 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,800 things taking 30 million gallons of 1179 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,400 water a year a day or whatever it is. 1180 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,560 We had the little one up by the not 1181 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,319 little, I don't know, but you know, they 1182 00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:41,040 had the one up by the lake. Um, 1183 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,640 I don't think they I don't think that 1184 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,240 facility was using water to the point 1185 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:46,160 where, you know, it was anything crazy. 1186 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,359 If for some reason somebody filled out a 1187 00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:51,440 zoning board of appeals application or a 1188 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,720 building permit to do that, it's 1189 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,280 something we'd have to look at. But, uh, 1190 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,800 I can't think of anywhere in town that 1191 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,319 you could go where you could get that 1192 00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:00,160 crazy amount of water and not impact 1193 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,319 everything across the board. I would I 1194 00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:04,720 would almost think that the network that 1195 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,839 we have for the distribution system 1196 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:09,280 app to a certain size isn't going to 1197 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,079 it's just not going to support it. Um 1198 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:15,359 >> I wonder and maybe this is kind of like 1199 00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:17,839 thinking too far ahead, but I wonder if 1200 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:22,160 the um if we do go with second meters if 1201 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,319 we should like just exclude data centers 1202 00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,880 because honestly if any like giant data 1203 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,560 center tries to come into Wakefield and 1204 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,200 I know you know there for some reason 1205 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,280 the municipal gas and light board was 1206 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,520 talking about it in a closed door 1207 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,720 meeting. Um, so if that's something that 1208 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,480 we think might happen, I mean, my 1209 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,280 impression of those is that they are big 1210 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,560 business, big money- making, you know, 1211 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,319 so we just said right off the bat that 1212 00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:50,960 they don't qualify for second meters, 1213 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,280 >> that they have to pay the sewer charge, 1214 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,720 >> whether they're using the sewer or not. 1215 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,720 I have no idea if the water's 1216 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:58,560 evaporating or if it's going into the 1217 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,640 sewer or what not, but I don't know. It 1218 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,720 might be nice for us to just start right 1219 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,800 out with that and let somebody challenge 1220 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,480 it then. 1221 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,319 have a business like that come in 1222 00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:09,839 and start using all sorts of water that 1223 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:12,400 we, you know, go ahead 1224 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,800 >> our rate payers are paying. 1225 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,319 >> No, we can see if we could dig something 1226 00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:18,480 up with that. Um, it brings up an 1227 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,400 interesting counter to that. You know, 1228 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,240 do you look at something like that and 1229 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,920 say 1230 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,160 at what point have you crossed what is 1231 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,880 reasonable and now you know you are that 1232 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,400 you're cooling down the computer that 1233 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,640 runs clawed or whatever they are. you 1234 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,119 know, at what point have you are you too 1235 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,040 big to even consider? You know, you you 1236 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,920 bring up a good point with that. 1237 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,000 >> Yeah, I agree there. You just, you know, 1238 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,160 get ourselves ahead of it. the seven. 1239 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,240 >> And honestly, maybe maybe whatever 1240 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:47,599 language we have about the discount 1241 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:51,599 program should say um you know any user 1242 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,599 who uses over x amount per year will be 1243 00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:58,240 evaluated to see if they qualify for the 1244 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:00,400 discount or something something that 1245 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,480 gives us the opportunity to not give a 1246 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,480 10% discount to somebody who's using 1247 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,119 like a tenth of the water of the entire 1248 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:07,920 town. 1249 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,440 >> Who is our who is our largest water user 1250 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,920 in town? There's a couple of commercial 1251 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:15,839 properties that have 4 inch meters that 1252 00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:18,000 use a lot um 1253 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,160 >> close to you. 1254 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,079 >> What kind of industry? 1255 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,240 >> Construction materials. 1256 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:24,560 >> Um 1257 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:25,040 >> okay. 1258 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,680 >> The high school or the Galvin uh is a 1259 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,920 big one and Ann's shaking her head so 1260 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,800 I'm getting them right as I'm going. Um 1261 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,560 >> Mlullen the concrete company across the 1262 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,319 street. Who else? 1263 00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:38,319 >> Other than non Wakefield you know 1264 00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:40,640 buildings I should say. Uh, I would 1265 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,680 imagine that um, Colonial Point 1266 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,280 Apartments might be one of them down by 1267 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,760 Edgewater just because it's a good size. 1268 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:48,240 >> Yeah. 1269 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,079 >> Um, 1270 00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:51,839 you know, things like that. But, you 1271 00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:55,359 know, the 8,000 and change accounts over 1272 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:58,560 seven grand of that is all 1273 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,720 your residential, you know, or largely 1274 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,680 residential, you know. 1275 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,839 >> So, the second meters then, I mean, 1276 00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:07,839 maybe we should be limiting them. We 1277 00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:10,000 should be calling it 1278 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,480 outdoor water use meters 1279 00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,720 >> so that so that someone's not saying, 1280 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:15,680 "Well, 1281 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,200 >> it's indoor water use, but it's 1282 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,280 processed water and it's not going into 1283 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,640 the sewer and so I don't want to have to 1284 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,800 pay for sewer." Like, 1285 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,880 >> we don't want to get it have to get into 1286 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,640 understanding every industry and what's 1287 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,720 happening inside their building. 1288 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:29,920 >> 100%. 1289 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:30,240 >> Yeah. 1290 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,319 >> Yes. 1291 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:33,280 >> Agreed. 1292 00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,079 >> Great point. So, that's kind of the you 1293 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,079 just hit it. So that's this conversation 1294 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:39,839 in a nutshell, right? So that'll be 1295 00:48:39,839 --> 00:48:41,920 something that we're we'll look through 1296 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,280 what we did and then we'll look through 1297 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,400 moving forward and you know define that, 1298 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,480 you know, what is this for? What are we 1299 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:49,839 trying to accomplish? Um 1300 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:50,319 >> yeah, 1301 00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:53,119 >> is it outdoor watering? You know, are we 1302 00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:54,880 going to allow for outdoor watering 1303 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,839 potentially and uh manufacturing that 1304 00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:59,520 absorbs all the water and loses its 1305 00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,760 steam or something like that? Is there a 1306 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,280 difference? Is there not a difference? 1307 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,599 Um I don't know at this point. I think 1308 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,640 the trouble with those is that like then 1309 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,079 we have to understand what process 1310 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,640 they're actually using inside their 1311 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,440 building, 1312 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:13,760 >> right? 1313 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,280 >> And we have to take their word for it 1314 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,040 that like the water flowing through this 1315 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,839 meter is all becoming steam, whereas the 1316 00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:21,920 water flowing through the other meter 1317 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,599 ends up in the sewer. And I just think 1318 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:27,040 that's a level of like truth checking 1319 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,640 that we'd have to do that's way beyond 1320 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,880 what you guys should have to be doing. 1321 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,440 >> Yeah. 1322 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,520 >> Just to be like the devil's advocate 1323 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,839 kind of. But you know you mentioned 1324 00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:37,440 based on the num the number of 1325 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,240 consumption um what do you think about 1326 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,480 like meter meter size so if someone 1327 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,359 wanted to put in an 8 inch just use an 1328 00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:47,119 eight we don't have any eights so it's 1329 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,040 not going to offend anybody but somebody 1330 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:50,400 wanted to say hey I have an irrigation 1331 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,000 meter but it's going to be an 8 in you 1332 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,599 know is do you look at something like 1333 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,559 that and go that's way way way big you 1334 00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:00,720 know comparatively across the board you could be this is something that's 1335 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:02,319 totally unrelatable to everything else 1336 00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:04,880 that's going on and outside of the the 1337 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:09,760 box that any of this policy framework is trying to, you know, affect one way 1338 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,319 or the other, you know. to do take a 1339 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:14,960 peek at it like that and say, you know, 1340 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,800 some of the criteria for being eligible 1341 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,640 is the the connection or the metered um 1342 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,880 the deduct meter itself, you know, can't 1343 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,839 be larger than x amount of, you know, 1344 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:29,599 inches because at that point they've 1345 00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,280 crossed the threshold where, you know, 1346 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,559 you're not watering your back long 1347 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:33,680 because you like to go outside with your 1348 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,280 dog and your kids or whatever. It's 1349 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,520 something totally, 1350 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,280 you know, different. I guess one 1351 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:40,640 question is though, like let's say 1352 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,200 you're a huge condo complex or apartment 1353 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,160 complex like the new ones up by the lake 1354 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,599 and you want to do it for your outdoor 1355 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,280 water, 1356 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,599 like should they be restricted from 1357 00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,200 doing that because their meter size is 1358 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,359 too big or or is it the meter size for 1359 00:50:57,359 --> 00:50:59,359 the outdoor water? And then if it's like 1360 00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:02,400 a reasonable size for that meter, then 1361 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,280 it's well, but it's a deduct meter, 1362 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,880 right? So you're you'd be going by their 1363 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,000 main meter size. I don't know. I I feel 1364 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,640 like outdoor indoor seems like a a much 1365 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,559 easier distinction to me. 1366 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:14,960 >> Yeah. 1367 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,359 >> And then people aren't arguing about why 1368 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:20,319 the threshold is, you know, here versus 1369 00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:22,240 there. 1370 00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,200 >> But I don't know, maybe Matt uh Abrahams 1371 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,400 has a has some thoughts on that from 1372 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:33,750 other towns and stuff. 1373 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,920 » All good points. Yeah, 1374 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,880 they did individual meters at the head 1375 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,400 of the lake there, right? Aren't the 1376 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,720 apartments individually metered as well 1377 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:49,040 or no? I or no? I thought they did. 1378 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,599 >> Yes, they did. Uh they did um they have 1379 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,520 some meters in their building. We still 1380 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,839 only build each building one bill. 1381 00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:57,839 >> Yeah. Okay, that's what I thought. 1382 00:51:57,839 --> 00:51:59,920 They branch off inside and manage their 1383 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,920 own. Similar to like um 1384 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,599 Oh, not the I I don't know if the gas 1385 00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:06,960 meters are set up that way. I won't say 1386 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:07,280 that. 1387 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:08,800 >> Lake Street do that. Those Lake Street 1388 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,079 condos, don't they have something like 1389 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,800 that? I remember from years ago. I'm 1390 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,359 going back to my meter reading days. 1391 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:17,359 >> Inside? I'm not sure. I don't think I 1392 00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:18,960 was ever in that one. You know, 1393 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,000 sometimes you go by a commercial 1394 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,680 building, you see the bank of gas meters 1395 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,960 outside. 1396 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:23,599 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1397 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:25,599 >> The same thing but inside. in each one 1398 00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:26,880 of those meters and then lead to 1399 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,880 whatever the apartment might be. 1400 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:29,520 >> Yeah, 1401 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,119 >> most most of them have a property 1402 00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:32,640 management company that manages that and 1403 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,960 does the billing for them inside. But to 1404 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,760 keep it simple on us, you know, Susan's 1405 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,319 doing 32,000 bills a year. We don't want 1406 00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:42,319 to give her, you know, six or 7,000 more 1407 00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:44,800 because we're hitting all those. So, 1408 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:56,230 >> right. 1409 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,760 So I think at this point for me 1410 00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,920 personally I think uh Ann and I have 1411 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:04,880 enough to start churning on it. Um 1412 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,480 like I had said in the beginning way 1413 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,079 back when I don't know if we want to set 1414 00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:09,920 a benchmark or at least to get a draft 1415 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,640 of something you know to you folks which 1416 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,520 would probably be at a minimum what we 1417 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,760 did before uh maybe with some notes on 1418 00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,800 it um you know with some of our thoughts 1419 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,800 and then um you know a draft of 1420 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,960 some hypothetical scenarios at least to 1421 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,880 take a peek at and see if it's something 1422 00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,480 that we want to work with or we want to 1423 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,800 tweak a little bit to get us, you know, 1424 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,079 more comfortable. Um, 1425 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:40,720 say if we maybe want to shoot to do that 1426 00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,960 after Labor Day, midepptember, that'll 1427 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,800 give us enough time. And I don't, it may 1428 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,880 seem like a lot. I only ask at the same 1429 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,400 time, uh, we have a pretty big trash 1430 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,640 contract. It is just hitting the 1431 00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,880 streets. So, I'm sure we're going to get 1432 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,520 busy with questions and things in that 1433 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,520 nature. uh coming up at the same time 1434 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,720 and then you know it'll give us a little 1435 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,079 bit more time to look at the financials 1436 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,960 too and get that to you. But 1437 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,160 >> no, that works. 1438 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,680 >> We're open to basically whatever. 1439 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,800 >> That works here. 1440 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,270 >> Yeah, sounds good to me. 1441 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,680 » Okay. Anything else on that? Uh before 1442 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,910 we move on. 1443 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,359 » No, we have some homework. I'll get you 1444 00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:28,400 some of the other stuff to start 1445 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,800 reviewing and uh we'll get rolling. 1446 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,040 >> Great. 1447 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,559 I just had a couple This is separate 1448 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:35,920 from everything. It's some new business. 1449 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,440 Just a couple questions I wanted to go 1450 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,800 over before. 1451 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,319 >> So, I just 1452 00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:42,000 >> um because I've gotten a couple 1453 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,000 questions, so I just want to clarify it. 1454 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,640 The new bathroom that's going down by 1455 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,599 vets. 1456 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:48,640 >> Yep. 1457 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,160 Um, will that bathroom be open every day 1458 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,079 or what are what are the expectations 1459 00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:56,800 for hours and how it's going to be 1460 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,880 managed for security? I know we kind of 1461 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,800 went over this before, but I I just want 1462 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,200 a refresher because I saw a posted, you 1463 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,800 know, the farmers market posting that 1464 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,000 it's coming, but I want to clarify that, 1465 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,119 you know, if that's open, that's 1466 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:10,400 obviously for, you know, there's other 1467 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,520 people that are using the field down 1468 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,160 there. Youth softball, the girls could 1469 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,000 use it and, you know, all sorts of 1470 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,040 people. So that building uh is 1471 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,680 pre-fabricated, but part of that when it 1472 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,720 was specked out was to include 1473 00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:26,640 provisions for so if you come into town 1474 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,119 hall as an example, town hall's doors um 1475 00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:32,960 unless unlocked function on a card 1476 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,520 access system. So with that, there'll be 1477 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,359 the ability to automatically unlock it 1478 00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,359 at a certain time in the morning and 1479 00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:41,200 then automatically lock it at a certain 1480 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,160 time at night. Um exactly what that is 1481 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:47,119 at this point. Um we don't know. We'll 1482 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:48,640 have to you know review that with the 1483 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,040 council. But I would say it'll probably 1484 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,319 start uh open itself um early in the 1485 00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:56,720 morning sometime between 7 and 8 and 1486 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:59,119 then uh either close at dusk or 1487 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:01,119 depending on what's going on uh down at 1488 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,920 the field. Uh we can marry that to some 1489 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,440 of the schedules down there and 1490 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,720 seasonally you know it could be open 1491 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,559 later because we're using the fields. 1492 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,799 Um, so TBD, but I would imagine at a 1493 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:12,240 minimum it' probably be open from, you 1494 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,160 know, 7 7 o'clock in the morning, 8 1495 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,400 o'clock in the morning till dusk. Um, 1496 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,799 and then, you know, it'd be a sin to 1497 00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:20,079 have the thing out there and not let, 1498 00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:21,280 you know, anybody using the field at 1499 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,000 night use it. So, it'll probably marry 1500 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,680 their schedules once it gets a little 1501 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,640 bit closer. Um, and, you know, we'll ask 1502 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,880 the town council, you know, to kind of 1503 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,400 sign on to that and, you know, let us 1504 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,680 know if they think that is something 1505 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,799 that, you know, makes sense. Um, the one 1506 00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:38,720 thing with it, uh, all the utilities to 1507 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:42,079 it are relatively shallow. Um, and the 1508 00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,000 sewer is actually going to be pumped so 1509 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,559 we can, uh, get it up to the street. So, 1510 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,880 it will be open, uh, similar to our 1511 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,400 construction season. So, sometime 1512 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,240 midappril, uh, once there's no threat 1513 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,240 of, uh, the frost and the water freezing 1514 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:56,240 up. Uh, and it'll probably end up 1515 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,599 shutting down for the season sometime 1516 00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,559 around Veterans Day. um you know so to 1517 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,240 basically only be out of service you 1518 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,079 know we were cold months for you know 1519 00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,119 November December January February you 1520 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:10,000 know give or take um some of the reason 1521 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,280 behind that is the limitations with the 1522 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,400 construction because we had to keep 1523 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,319 everything you know up we couldn't get 1524 00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:17,599 below the frost line so 1525 00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,359 >> so it's just going to be for the you 1526 00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:21,680 know non-winter 1527 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,359 it'll function actually the same as like 1528 00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:25,440 what's up at Landeran Field now so um 1529 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,280 those open up once they're past the 1530 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,599 threat of freezing them up and they stay 1531 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:32,240 open and they stay in operation till up 1532 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,000 there they stay up till Thanksgiving or 1533 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,680 Veterans Day depending on when the game 1534 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,440 schedules go but it'll follow pretty 1535 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,079 much the same thing. Um if we caught 1536 00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,480 abnormally warm win you know weather in 1537 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,040 November uh could we stretch that? Sure. 1538 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,799 Um but once we get the threat of that 1539 00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:49,200 freezing up um it will ultimately you 1540 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,599 know be shut down for the season at that 1541 00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:52,240 point. 1542 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,680 >> Yeah. And and another point to that 1543 00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,200 though too and I don't know if it's 1544 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,880 talked about or when it does but just 1545 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,079 something that you might be able to add 1546 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,079 to like for instance you know when 1547 00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,920 they're playing the baseball at night 1548 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,599 you know twi league or what softball 1549 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,599 down there you know I don't know if 1550 00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,280 there's like someone that could be in 1551 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,640 charge for them that's going to be like 1552 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,640 the key holder so we have there's got to 1553 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,520 be accountability for that restroom I'm 1554 00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,920 sure you know if people are going inside 1555 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,280 of at night we'd like to know who's in 1556 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,720 there you know is someone going to be 1557 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,640 responsible for opening the doors for 1558 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,880 them like when it I'm talking like after 1559 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,920 the automatic lock say at night you know 1560 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,440 after dusk 1561 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,280 >> I would think you just keep it would 1562 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,839 just be automatically open so um there 1563 00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:33,920 should be CCTV on it too 1564 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:34,480 >> okay good 1565 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,240 >> as a deterrent so you know 1566 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,520 >> there is cameras good 1567 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,400 >> it will have all that functionality um 1568 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,240 one of the things we did in advance of 1569 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,319 this um there was a need based on some 1570 00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:48,240 of the occupancies like the civic center 1571 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,000 picking up uh with rentals and things 1572 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,119 like that at night we added another um 1573 00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,680 staff member on our second shift in our 1574 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,240 buildings division. So once that thing's 1575 00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,920 in, we already have someone in place. So 1576 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,160 we'll we'll visit that every morning 1577 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,920 whether it's locked or not. Um make sure 1578 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,760 that it's in the condition that can be 1579 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,160 opened for everybody to use. And then 1580 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,359 somebody will be there every night 1581 00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:13,359 making sure that you know before the 1582 00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:14,480 doors shut and they can't be opened 1583 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,200 again till the timer flips back um that was put away in a state that's 1584 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,960 ready to go. So, we'll be there a bunch 1585 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,040 of times and then, you know, anytime the 1586 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,480 phone rings and the request comes in 1587 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,880 during the day to go there as well. So, 1588 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:27,680 >> okay. 1589 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,200 >> There'll be water fountain filling 1590 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,359 stations on the front of it, too. So, I 1591 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:32,480 would imagine it probably be pretty 1592 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,240 active once it gets in. 1593 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,680 >> Yeah. 1594 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,599 I mean, like, you know, all the 1595 00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:38,960 concerns, it seems like you've addressed 1596 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,720 them. We got cameras there. You know, 1597 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,000 you got people watching at this 1598 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,720 security. some of the um you know 1599 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,480 concerns that I might have heard or even 1600 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,119 my own that kind of certainly puts them 1601 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,680 to bed. 1602 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,040 And I like that it's a community 1603 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,480 bathroom, too. It's not just for the 1604 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,319 farmers market. And not saying that 1605 00:59:56,319 --> 00:59:59,040 that's what they said. I just it's just 1606 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,119 come across like is it really only going 1607 01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:02,960 to be open for the farmers market? No, 1608 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,040 of course it's a community bathroom 1609 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,471 going to be able to use it. The 1610 01:00:06,471 --> 01:00:07,839 [clears throat] only the only difference 1611 01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:11,200 in there um specifically related to the 1612 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,280 farmers market is the way that there's a 1613 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,160 storage component to it. Um so we're 1614 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,640 able to size it where there's obviously 1615 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,480 the stuff we need from the utility 1616 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,000 standpoint for the electrical panel and 1617 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,760 some storage for custodial supplies and 1618 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,240 whatnot there and some outlets and stuff 1619 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,520 for some of the things we do. But then 1620 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,040 there's also a little bit of room. So 1621 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,599 their metal um sea container that they 1622 01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:33,920 have there uh they won't need anymore. 1623 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,079 There'll be a separate closet only 1624 01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:38,319 accessible to them. Um, will they be 1625 01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:39,680 able to store the stuff in the back of 1626 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:40,319 it? 1627 01:00:40,319 --> 01:00:41,599 >> I was going to ask you that. So, does 1628 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:43,119 that mean the shipping containers will 1629 01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:44,240 be gone? 1630 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:44,960 >> Yes. Yep. 1631 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,000 >> Because I think it will look 1632 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:49,119 aesthetically better as well. I know we 1633 01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:50,799 painted them and made them look nice. I 1634 01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:52,400 know. But it's still a shipping 1635 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,280 container. [laughter] 1636 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,720 >> Yeah. Absolutely. We put in um 1637 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,240 we put in to see if we could get some 1638 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,640 grant funding uh for some solar on the 1639 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,319 roof of it. I was just about to ask 1640 01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:04,480 that. generate yeah to generate the 1641 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,559 electricity for it. So 1642 01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,079 >> maybe the light department could help us 1643 01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:09,040 out. 1644 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,559 >> I think we got a pretty good shot with 1645 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:12,480 where we stand. Uh certainly they'll be 1646 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,119 involved, but um I would think I'm an 1647 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,040 optimist though, so I'll just clarify 1648 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:18,960 with that. But I would think that that 1649 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,559 is something that within the the first 1650 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:21,920 year of it being open, we should be able 1651 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:26,559 to achieve um without a doubt. So, 1652 01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:28,400 uh, before I move on to my next 1653 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,000 question, would did anyone have anything 1654 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,559 else to add to the community bathrooms 1655 01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,160 or anything before I go to my next 1656 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:35,599 subject? I don't want to interrupt 1657 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:36,720 anybody. 1658 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,680 >> No. 1659 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,040 >> Nope. 1660 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,280 >> Okay. 1661 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,520 The next thing I just wanted to to bring 1662 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,599 up or just talk about too, um, like when 1663 01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:50,079 subcontractors are doing patchwork in 1664 01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:53,119 Wakefield for say the light department, 1665 01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:55,040 is there like a protocol that they got 1666 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,599 to follow for how they, you know, is it 1667 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,559 DPU standards that they got to follow 1668 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:01,920 for when they're doing their work like 1669 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,359 patchwork? 1670 01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:06,079 >> So, there is there is a standard um for 1671 01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,640 utility utility restoration. It's 1672 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:13,040 docket. It's D, it's called DTE 9822. 1673 01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:14,720 I could send it to you. You can read it. 1674 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,520 But there is a patching uh specification 1675 01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,559 for that. Um, you know, that is supposed 1676 01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:23,440 to be adhered to by the DPU. Um, there 1677 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,440 are other times depending on what's 1678 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,440 going on. Um, when we were doing some of 1679 01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,240 the work in the 1680 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,200 areas off of Vernon Street, um, we knew 1681 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,559 that right when they were done on the 1682 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,799 heels of that that the road needed to be 1683 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:38,880 completely reclaimed. Um, so we were 1684 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,160 able to work the gas and light 1685 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,640 department on 1686 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,079 changing a little bit of that scope 1687 01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:45,119 because, you know, we were going to 1688 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:47,359 destroy it. Um, and they were able to 1689 01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:48,640 help, you know, pay for a little bit of 1690 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,240 the finished, you know, for their 1691 01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:51,920 portion of the finished mix at the end. 1692 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,400 But yes, no, that's a long way of saying 1693 01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,880 yes, there is that. Yep. just because, 1694 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,319 you know, and again, I'm not being 1695 01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:00,559 nitpicky, but you know, I know the roads 1696 01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:02,400 are a touch touchy subject in Wakefield 1697 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,000 and everyone wants to see them improved, 1698 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,400 and I know you guys have plans in place 1699 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,160 and things that the town committed to 1700 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,920 with grants and stuff that we have to 1701 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,720 follow. But some of the the patchwork 1702 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,880 being done by the subcontractors, in my 1703 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,119 opinion, my professional opinion, I 1704 01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,599 think could be improved. I think some of 1705 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,880 the the compacting, even the roadway 1706 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,000 cuts could be cleaner. You know, if if 1707 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,400 for instance the middle of a road, if 1708 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,920 there's a crown in the middle of the 1709 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,960 road, which obviously makes rain water 1710 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,960 and other things go to where it needs to 1711 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,119 go, and you cut down the center of the 1712 01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:41,440 road 14 in, 12 in, however wide, and 1713 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,000 it's not compacted back perfect or you 1714 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,880 overcut and you start to get sloppy, 1715 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,640 automatically cutting into the crown of 1716 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,240 a road. Obviously, we know that that's 1717 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,319 going to that the integrity of the road 1718 01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:56,640 is is is compromised. So, I I just I 1719 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,400 don't know if we could send something to 1720 01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,039 the light department in a friendly way 1721 01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:03,680 or talk about it, but I I do feel like 1722 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,000 some of the roadway work, and not just 1723 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,400 recently, over the past couple years, I 1724 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,520 think could improve with some of their 1725 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,599 um finish work with it as well. And I 1726 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,319 know a lot of it's temporary, but 1727 01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:19,359 temporary to me is weeks and months, not 1728 01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:22,000 a year and a half with some of them I've 1729 01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,960 looked at. So I 1730 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,640 >> if we could review that with them or 1731 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,960 just talk about or a friendly reminder, 1732 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,359 whoever's inspecting them too, you know, 1733 01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:36,319 I I do think we could improve there. 1734 01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:38,000 Totally noted. So, uh, one of the other 1735 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,839 things that we have we will have going 1736 01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:43,599 on this fall, um, myself, Bill, our town 1737 01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:45,440 engineer, we need to redo some of our 1738 01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,079 construction standards, um, and any of 1739 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:51,039 the drafts I have written for that are 1740 01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:53,280 pretty iron. Um, good 1741 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:54,720 >> for the same reasons that you say, 1742 01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,160 right? We don't want to mill a road and 1743 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,440 find out that they blew through a trench 1744 01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,799 and now we have to patch it before we 1745 01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:01,680 can pave it. Um, you know, I will say 1746 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:02,640 one of the other things from the 1747 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,319 coordination standpoint, you may or may 1748 01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:06,079 not have heard, um, there's, you know, 1749 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:08,079 been a lot of activity of, you know, why 1750 01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:09,280 haven't you paved Main Street and 1751 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:10,480 Greenwood? Why haven't you paved Main 1752 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,160 Street and Greenwood? I can tell you 1753 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,920 that the gas work that's happening down 1754 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,599 there is because, you know, during those 1755 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,039 meetings where we try to coordinate all 1756 01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,359 of our priorities together. One of them 1757 01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:20,720 was we want to go down to Melrose and 1758 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,160 start paving our way back to the center 1759 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,839 of town and they get to get out of the 1760 01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:26,559 way. So, you know, that's happening now 1761 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:27,920 because it's in our crosshairs. cuz we 1762 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,039 want to get there in the very near 1763 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:33,520 future. That just happens to go first. 1764 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:34,000 >> Thank you, 1765 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,119 >> Joe. On that note, I've been biking a 1766 01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:40,480 lot lately and that section of Main 1767 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,520 Street from like Oak down to the Melrose 1768 01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,680 line is so bad. 1769 01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,760 >> It's like dangerous to ride on. So, 1770 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,520 that's exciting to hear that paving is 1771 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,640 coming. Um, I'm going to give a little 1772 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,119 plug for, you know, the bike lanes that 1773 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:58,160 we did in Melrose. Um, they are 1774 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,680 admittedly a tiny bit substandard width, 1775 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,559 but I've found them to be safer than not 1776 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,480 having them. And I know bike lanes can 1777 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,319 be a very touchy subject in Wakefield, 1778 01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:12,160 but I think with the right um with the 1779 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,839 right outreach, assuming that the road 1780 01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:15,839 width is essentially the same once you 1781 01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:20,079 cross, you know, because we Melrose has 1782 01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:21,920 half of the road and Wakefield has the 1783 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,680 other side of the road for that awkward 1784 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,119 piece up by the town line. Um 1785 01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:29,039 >> by Bay State Road there. Yeah. 1786 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:30,960 >> Yeah. Yeah. Where where Melrose owns one 1787 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,480 side of the street and Wakefield owns 1788 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,240 the other side. I think the width is 1789 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,839 essentially the same. So, we just ended 1790 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:38,880 our bike lane for Melrose at that 1791 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,760 transition. Um, 1792 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,119 but in essence, what we have is we 1793 01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,880 always had very small painted um parking 1794 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,680 lanes. They're only like 6 and 1/2 ft 1795 01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:53,200 wide or something, but they were always 1796 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,280 like that before. And then we were able 1797 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,200 to add like a four to four and a half 1798 01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,000 foot wide bike lane because the road is 1799 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,880 just enormous and there's really no need 1800 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,799 for anyone to drive. You know, you don't 1801 01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:06,960 need more than 11t lanes with even with 1802 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,319 a bus route. So there's no reason for 1803 01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:11,839 people to feel like they need to drive 1804 01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:14,000 with this enormous width. And I would 1805 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,599 love to see just what we have up to the 1806 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:19,280 Wakefield line just extended into 1807 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,119 Wakefield when that gets paved. And it 1808 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,160 wouldn't have to change anybody's 1809 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,400 parking. um you know all the things that 1810 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:25,839 are controversial about it normally 1811 01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:27,280 wouldn't have to change presuming that 1812 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,359 you have essentially the same width in 1813 01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:31,680 Wakefield that you do in Miller. 1814 01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,039 >> Definitely something that to look at 1815 01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:35,520 when they're in there um you know 1816 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,839 polishing up the design work. The only 1817 01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:40,000 thing that gets a little interesting um 1818 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,880 when you get in that whole area 1819 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,559 where kind of bottlenecks in the area of 1820 01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,599 like where Oak and Maine and um you know 1821 01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,119 Greenwood Street kind of all tied 1822 01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:51,359 together you know that's 1823 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:52,559 >> Oh yeah. I don't think you'd have room 1824 01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:53,119 there. 1825 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,039 >> No, I mean I almost wish if you relayaid 1826 01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:56,559 Wakefield that would have been a 60 80 1827 01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:58,880 foot rightway right there too and then 1828 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,200 >> you would have been golden. Um but you 1829 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,119 know it's not and there's there's a 1830 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:06,319 bunch of stuff there. But um duly noted. 1831 01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:07,920 >> Well, if we're talking pipe dream stuff, 1832 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:09,520 we should underground all the electric 1833 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,119 in that intersection too because it is 1834 01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:15,440 the biggest mess. Oh, yeah. It's I I 1835 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,960 looked at the horizontal width when they 1836 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,400 were doing the gas work there and it 1837 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,480 there's a there's anything you could 1838 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:24,000 think about stuffing into the ground 1839 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,239 there [clears throat] is there on top of 1840 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:27,920 whatever is there that nobody wrote 1841 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,799 down, you know, back 1842 01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:33,120 100 years ago, too. It's uh it's 1843 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,120 definitely a busy busy spot. And there's 1844 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,640 some there's some big ticket stuff 1845 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,400 there. down by Subaru. There's actually 1846 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,560 a brick um trunk sewer, so 25 ft deep 1847 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:43,040 that run. 1848 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:44,080 >> I like that you're still calling it 1849 01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:45,892 Subaru. [clears throat] 1850 01:08:45,892 --> 01:08:46,880 [laughter] 1851 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:47,600 >> Towny, right? 1852 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,199 >> Showing your age, Joe. Show 1853 01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:50,640 >> I don't think Subaru's been there for 1854 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,880 like at least 10, 12 years. 1855 01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,640 >> Geez, I can't believe I did that because 1856 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,159 it's been Hallmark Health now for quite 1857 01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:57,920 a while. [laughter] 1858 01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,359 >> But no, I mean that's fine. 1859 01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,040 >> Shame on me. But I guess shame on you 1860 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,839 for realizing what I was talking about. 1861 01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,480 >> I'm 22 years in now. I still call Subaru 1862 01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:07,759 in Greenwood. So 1863 01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:09,679 >> yeah, [laughter] 1864 01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:11,600 I didn't call it I could have called it 1865 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,600 McDonald's or like Liberty Bell or 1866 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:14,080 something. 1867 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,759 >> Liberty Bell. 1868 01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:19,839 >> Brighgams. 1869 01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:21,279 >> I love that Brighgams there. 1870 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,120 >> Oh, that was great. They had a steak and 1871 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,480 cheese that was really good there, too. 1872 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:26,640 Not just the ice cream. 1873 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,080 >> It was huge, too, wasn't it? 1874 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:31,520 >> It was massive. Massive. 1875 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,759 >> I'm jealous. I'm not a town, so I don't 1876 01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:34,880 know about this. Oh, 1877 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,560 >> well, and I'm not a towny either, but 1878 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,480 I'm I'm just 22 years in, so I caught 1879 01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:40,960 the tail end of like Subaru and Brig 1880 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,799 Bighgams and some of the other stuff. 1881 01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:44,960 And the the gas station will always be 1882 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,040 Fast Freddy's to me. We all still call 1883 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,159 it Fast Freddy's. 1884 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:49,440 >> Oh, yeah. 1885 01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:51,279 >> It's like Mobile Mart or some nonsense 1886 01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:53,600 now, but I'm I'm anti-Mobile Mart. It's 1887 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:54,719 still Fast Freddy's. 1888 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,880 >> I still call I still call the one up by 1889 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,719 your parents. How is Chris? It's Little 1890 01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:00,560 Peach. It's still Little Peach. Sorry. 1891 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,560 >> Little Peach. Oh, we had one of those 1892 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,640 when I grew up in Lexington, too. Yeah. 1893 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,760 I still call it Little Peach, too. 1894 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,159 >> Slush puppies. 1895 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,239 >> I I was just going to jump in quick, I 1896 01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,640 guess. Um, and Joe, you kind of got my 1897 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:15,600 attention when you said you're looking 1898 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,560 at different, I guess, standards for, 1899 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,239 you know, public works or paving and 1900 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:22,239 whatnot. Um, and I guess just while 1901 01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,159 we're on it, so like a little pet peeve 1902 01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:26,719 of mine is when they pave, if they could 1903 01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:29,040 just get the sewers to the same level of 1904 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,239 the street. I know that drives me bonk 1905 01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:33,840 is when you're driving and the sor's 1906 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,360 like six inches lower and it's like they 1907 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:36,719 just pave the street and you get this 1908 01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:39,199 big bump, right? And uh yeah, I mean you 1909 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:40,800 can see they get scraped too cuz they're 1910 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,719 so low. It's just like And by the way, 1911 01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:44,960 it's not just Wakefield. I know that 1912 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,560 happens in a lot of towns, but just to 1913 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,360 keep the sewer level with the new 1914 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,360 pavement and the street I like partic 1915 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,920 I'm trying to think what is one uh is it 1916 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,560 Salem Street where they paved? Uh 1917 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,080 >> lol. 1918 01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,199 Yeah. So, you know where I'm talking. 1919 01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:01,280 The sewers are like 6 in down and it's 1920 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,080 like you got to avoid them because it's 1921 01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,239 a good drop and it's a brand new paved 1922 01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:07,760 road and you know if you go over it in 1923 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,320 your car it's like a pothole, right? So, 1924 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,440 that's all just 1925 01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:13,280 >> Yeah. Is that a matter of a standard of 1926 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,199 like concrete around it? Um or you know 1927 01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:18,640 is there something that we're doing 1928 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,920 differently that makes it sink that we 1929 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,640 could do a different way? No, typically 1930 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,600 the standard is concrete uh by I think 1931 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,640 it holds up the best. Uh I do know that 1932 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,120 the ones that Shane mentioned there um 1933 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,159 we know about we have raised that issue 1934 01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:38,800 and are expecting the remedy to be 1935 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,040 delivered so that it is that it was 1936 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,560 included in the spec. There's a couple of other things out 1937 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,159 there too. There's some spalling on some 1938 01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:48,159 stuff that's going to get replaced. So, 1939 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:51,600 um, without going too far into it, um, 1940 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:52,880 >> that has all been brought up and 1941 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,800 addressed and, you know, we basically 1942 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,120 put it back to say not what we expect, 1943 01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,719 not what we asked for the deliverables, 1944 01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:00,159 so let's fix it. 1945 01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:00,880 >> Awesome. 1946 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,880 >> Good point, Shane. And again, back to 1947 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,520 it. It's just, you know, we live in a 1948 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,280 town that it's a beautiful town. The 1949 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,520 taxes aren't the cheapest around. I 1950 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,199 think we all know that. And, you know, 1951 01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:12,719 you want to get the most bang for your 1952 01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:16,159 buck for all the residents. And that's all we're looking for. When 1953 01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:17,280 you're telling the contractor, it's, 1954 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,040 hey, we got residents here that are 1955 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,199 paying the the bill and, you know, they 1956 01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:22,960 have expectations and this is what we 1957 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,880 expect. 1958 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,120 >> You're not asking for anything uh fancy, 1959 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,280 Shane. You know, you just want the the 1960 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,280 sewer to be where it's supposed to be. 1961 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,719 That that's asking proper proper um 1962 01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:35,840 construction. 1963 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,840 >> Right. Right. 1964 01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,520 And Chris, speaking of proper 1965 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,600 construction, Joe, I want to give kudos 1966 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,199 to the project on Pitman 1967 01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:46,560 Grafton. 1968 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,040 >> Oh yeah, 1969 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,920 >> that whole project. The, you know, it 1970 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,520 seemed like it was taking a really long 1971 01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,880 time. I had some neighbors say like, 1972 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,719 "Oh, it seems like it's taking forever." 1973 01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:56,480 But I said, "Well, it's taking forever 1974 01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:58,560 because everything's being done right." 1975 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,840 Um, it was so nice to see all the curb 1976 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,320 ramps going in. you know, things that 1977 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,640 I've I've always felt like Wakefield has 1978 01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,400 not 1979 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,199 >> necessarily done the best job with, like 1980 01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:13,600 consistency. I mean, I know sometimes 1981 01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,400 the excuse is like, well, this is a WMG 1982 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,320 paving job, so we're not going to do the 1983 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,400 ramps. But I'm not sure that really 1984 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,280 passes muster with um the regulations. 1985 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,280 And so, I'm just really glad to see how 1986 01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,520 thorough of a job was done on that. I 1987 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,120 mean, the curbing looks great, the 1988 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,360 sidewalks look nice, the curb ramps look 1989 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,679 great, the pavement looks great. Um, 1990 01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:36,320 I've been biking on that, too, and it's, 1991 01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,560 you know, it's like butter going down 1992 01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,199 those streets. So, yeah, they did a 1993 01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:42,000 really nice job. 1994 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:43,840 >> I'll even add to that, Elena, too, with 1995 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,159 the the ADU ramps, uh, now that I'm 1996 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,320 pushing a a baby carriage. 1997 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:48,880 >> Yeah, right. 1998 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,040 >> It helps, right? It's very handy. 1999 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:52,480 >> Yep. Makes a big difference. 2000 01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:52,880 >> Oh, yeah. 2001 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:54,880 >> Every crossing that exists. But kudos to 2002 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,400 the residents down there because it was 2003 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,360 tough, you know, relaying the fact that 2004 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:00,719 there was so much drainage and stuff 2005 01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:01,840 that happened that we really wanted to 2006 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,280 let it sit through the winter to freeze, 2007 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:04,880 thaw, and settle. 2008 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:05,920 >> Yeah. 2009 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,400 >> You know, I can understand everybody 2010 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,400 gets excited and wants the road paved. 2011 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,719 Let's let's go. Um but, you know, I 2012 01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:14,800 think the end product is worth worth it. 2013 01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:15,840 So, 2014 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,320 >> yeah, I think it's terrific. Um, also, 2015 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,560 just to quickly mention the Greenwood 2016 01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,480 Oak, the fiveway crazy intersection. Um, 2017 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,159 I'm happy to see that we got the grant 2018 01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,400 money and that that's moving forward. 2019 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:32,480 Personally, I think the the curve of the 2020 01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,560 um of the road, like when you turn off a 2021 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:35,679 green street, when you come up and you 2022 01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:36,880 turn off a green street, when you take 2023 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,040 the right, there's that jog in the 2024 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,960 center line, and I know I had mentioned 2025 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,440 it to Bill once during the pilot. Um, 2026 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:44,480 and he had said, you know, it's 2027 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,960 deliberately aggressive to be to try to 2028 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,080 like calm traffic, but, um, it's going 2029 01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:51,520 to be a little too aggressive. people 2030 01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,920 are going to go over the line there. I'm 2031 01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,560 sure that's going to happen. So, I don't 2032 01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,080 know if there's an opportunity like if 2033 01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:59,440 it's all going to get final paved and 2034 01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:01,040 then new striping is going to go down at 2035 01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,080 the end. But, if that's the case, it it 2036 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,960 might be good to just soften that a tiny 2037 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,719 bit because I think everything else 2038 01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:10,159 provides the traffic calming. I don't 2039 01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,960 think you need that one extra little jog 2040 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,560 in the center line. 2041 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,320 >> No. I think seeing the new vertical curb 2042 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:17,679 getting brought in close to the center 2043 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:19,520 line too sometimes makes you look at 2044 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,840 those curbs and say, "All right, maybe 2045 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:22,960 we could soften this a little bit 2046 01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,199 because you literally have the lane 2047 01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:27,199 right on you and it's right there. You 2048 01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:28,800 hit it, you're going to know." 2049 01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,880 >> Yeah. Yeah. But otherwise, I think it's 2050 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,719 great. It's kind of funny seeing people 2051 01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:34,320 like, you know, nobody knows what to do 2052 01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,560 right now because it's half the old way 2053 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,280 and half the new way. And 2054 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,120 Yeah. But I'm just kind of driving it 2055 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,560 the new way knowing that that's where 2056 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,950 it's headed. 2057 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,000 It's always been one of those 2058 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,520 intersections that it's a tricky 2059 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,360 intersection. So, I'm like extra careful 2060 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,159 in, you know, some someone on one of the 2061 01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:55,520 public meetings on one of the traffic 2062 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,520 advisory committee meetings referred to 2063 01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:59,600 it as it's less of like a regulation and 2064 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,520 it's more of a negotiation. And I said 2065 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,600 that is the best description of that 2066 01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:04,880 intersection because you always you get 2067 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,960 there and you're like, "All right, I I 2068 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,320 think I have the right of way, but are 2069 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:09,840 you going to go? Should I go? Who's 2070 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:11,760 going to go?" 2071 01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,360 I will say too, I was a little nervous 2072 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,280 about the four-way intersection closer 2073 01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,920 to my house with where um Pleasant 2074 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,560 Street uh meets Salem Street. 2075 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:21,199 >> Oh, yeah. 2076 01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:23,600 >> They installed those stop signs and I 2077 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:24,960 thought people would be blown. It 2078 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,560 actually has calmed down the traffic 2079 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,560 around there. Speeding. 2080 01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:28,880 >> Yeah, 2081 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,040 >> because I think we all know speeding in 2082 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,560 Wakefield's a little uh crazy. 2083 01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,400 I'm on Vernon Street. I have cars going 2084 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,640 by my house at 50 60 miles an hour. Like 2085 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,679 it's nothing. It's crazy, 2086 01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:44,719 but I have noticed an increase in police 2087 01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:47,520 presence, so hopefully it will slow 2088 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,950 people down. 2089 01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,920 Is there any other um new business or 2090 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,199 anything else? 2091 01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:58,080 >> No. The only thing to mention um you we 2092 01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,520 have our trash contract out on the 2093 01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,199 street. So, um 2094 01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:05,280 we'll loop you in uh once we start 2095 01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,600 seeing some stuff back from that. But um 2096 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,199 we'll see what happens. Uh trash, 2097 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:14,400 recycling, collection, yard waste. So 2098 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:15,199 see 2099 01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:17,120 >> see what we get back and see what uh 2100 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,960 what the future looks like there. 2101 01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,600 Hopefully it's not uh too crazy of a 2102 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:23,679 price adjustment, but 2103 01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:26,719 >> I don't know. Who knows? 2104 01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:28,400 Hopefully not. We'll see. 2105 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,000 >> I know. I hope not either. 2106 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,840 >> You're running out of choices is the 2107 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,400 problem. There's not a lot of 2108 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:35,600 >> companies out there. 2109 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,480 >> Yeah. Yeah, the the middle ground is um 2110 01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:40,880 smaller. You know, the major players are 2111 01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,320 the major players and you know, the 2112 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,000 small ones are small. That in the 2113 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,480 middle, someone that maybe could service 2114 01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:51,199 Wakefield, but it's a little bit, you 2115 01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:53,920 know, much for them. [clears throat] 2116 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,280 >> Don't really exist anymore. They've all 2117 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:56,320 kind of been gobbled up by the 2118 01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:57,440 corporations or 2119 01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:58,000 >> Yeah, 2120 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,480 >> seems like it's time go that way. 2121 01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:01,920 >> I hate seeing that. I'm not going to 2122 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,600 lie. I'm [laughter] seeing it more and 2123 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,199 more all these corporations buying 2124 01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:07,040 everything. Even in my industry, it's 2125 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,199 like the mum and pops are slowly, you 2126 01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:10,080 know, 2127 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,560 >> selling off and I don't know. We'll see. 2128 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,320 I guess 2129 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:15,360 I don't know if it's the best. 2130 01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,600 >> I agree. I'm with you, Chris. I'm with 2131 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,840 you. 2132 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,000 >> Okay. Well, if there's nothing else, I 2133 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,560 uh we can just wait to pick a day, too. 2134 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,040 I know we got some drafting and stuff to 2135 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,600 do that um we can wait for because I 2136 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,800 think you said what is it after Labor 2137 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,719 Day you would think? 2138 01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:34,560 >> Um yeah, I would think so because uh 2139 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,640 that'll give Ann and I some time and 2140 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,440 then um you know obviously the first 2141 01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:41,360 weeks of school and whatnot whether you 2142 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,360 have 2143 01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,120 people influencing you in that regard or 2144 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,360 not always seem to tend to be busy. But 2145 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,719 by that point we should have a solid 2146 01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:51,679 baseline for you. Um, and then, you 2147 01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:54,000 know, it'll really just be trimming up, 2148 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,199 you know, some of the things we may or 2149 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:56,880 may not want to see different or tweaks, 2150 01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:58,800 but we'll get everything else out to you 2151 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,199 early, um, by the end of this week so 2152 01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,840 you have it, you can see it, and then, 2153 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,840 um, if you have anything in the 2154 01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,560 meantime, don't be shy. We can add it 2155 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,840 all into everything so everybody has it. 2156 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:12,960 >> Great. 2157 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,080 >> Sounds good. 2158 01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:14,560 >> Thank you. 2159 01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:16,640 >> Well, I hope it goes really slow between 2160 01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,440 now and then. 2161 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:20,000 We shall see. 2162 01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,159 >> We only only get a few months of summer, 2163 01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:23,280 right? So 2164 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,000 >> that is true. 2165 01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,000 >> I can't believe it's almost August. 2166 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,040 >> Yeah, I know. [clears throat] 2167 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,640 So say we got to slow down. Slow down. 2168 01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,400 >> Well, if no one has anything else, I'll 2169 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,040 let detain a motion to adjourn. 2170 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,679 >> I will second that. 2171 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:39,679 >> All in favor? 2172 01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,199 >> I 2173 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:45,120 >> motion carries three nothing. 2174 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,320 Thank you everyone.