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» So, good evening everyone. This is uh

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Wednesday, September 2nd. Um meeting of

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the Wakefield Conservation Commission

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starting at 7:04 p.m. Um first order of

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business is roll call. Um so I'll do

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that now. I'll go from left to right. Um

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James

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» Here.

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Drew

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» Barbara

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» And I am here. Um, Jennifer and Paul are

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both um out unavailable today, and I am

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stepping in for Paul as chair. Um, our

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next order of business is approval of

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the meeting minutes for uh August 18th,

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2026.

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Um, I'm going to suggest we um defer

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those to the next meeting. Um,

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so Paul and Jennifer um have a chance to

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approve them. I I saw some comments come

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through. Did anybody else have comments?

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» No.

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» Okay. So, if someone could make a motion

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to defer the meeting minutes till next

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meeting.

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I [clears throat] make a motion that we

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defer the meeting minutes um from uh I

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think it was August 18th um to our next

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meeting which would be September 19th.

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» Okay,

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» I'll second.

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» Thank you. Um Barbara,

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» Um yes.

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» James,

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» Yes.

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» And I'm a yes. Okay. 705. Um request for

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determination of applicability

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continued for 23 Montrose Avenue. Um

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Lawrence Gamps for the construction of

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24x 22 two-car garage with associated

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utilities within 100 ft of wetland

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resource area.

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Ethan, do you want to summarize here?

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» Sure. So this had been continued from

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the last meeting um where we had

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um reviewed the RDA request and I think

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since that meeting we had all made site

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visits. Um so we are just looking at it

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um looking to make a determination on

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that whether you want to approve the

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work or ask for a notice of intent.

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» So I see um Nick Dola is here who we

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spoke with at the site visit. So, thank

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you very much, Nick, for allowing us to

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to do that.

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» Yeah, of course. Um, I had a couple of

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updates and follow-ups just for

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information that was requested if we

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wanted to start there maybe.

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» Okay, sure.

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» Uh, yeah. So, uh, after the site visits,

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section of new pavement not being enough

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enough to pull a vehicle into the

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garage. Mhm.

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» Uh so for the updated plan that I

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submitted to Ethan, I've increased the

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size there to a 15x 12 section to extend

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it a bit further uh for ample room. So

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that was updated. Uh I have the update

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if you would like me to share my screen,

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but I think that was in the meeting

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material that Ethan provided as well.

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requested the approximate uh imperous

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area to be added. Uh and for that I

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approximated 520 square ft. So that

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would be the new garage plus the new

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section of pavement uh minus the shed

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that's already there and being removed

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that's essentially going to be torn up

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for for the garage.

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» Thank you for that.

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the uh wetland determination was

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incorrect on the GIS maps. Uh, so I know

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we discussed this previously, but Ethan

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had also uh come out and taken a

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measurement from the corner of where the

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garage would be closest to the wetland

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to where the grass essentially turns

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into the taller weeds and wetland area.

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32 feet. Is that is that correct?

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[clears throat] but the 15 ft would be

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extending away from the garage. um not

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going towards the so the 12 foot would

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be front to back so to speak and the 15

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across. Right.

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» Correct. Yeah, we increased the length

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extending it across the back.

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you'd like to see it as well.

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head last meeting. So, um to have a real

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measurement [laughter] is is good.

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» Um can can I just ask so um thank you

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for getting that those um square

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really helpful. But, uh, I think the

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other thing that we were looking for

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increase in in non-permeable area. So,

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the driveway that wouldn't be included

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in that percentage increase. And then

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square foot instead of the percentage

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the lot coverage that said 4.9% but I

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thought that square footage was

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requested and not percentage.

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square um footage because that's usually

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seeing something um in the act that asks

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us to quantify the additional new

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percentage created?

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understanding that the what is kind of

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» It's not a public hearing.

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some of the members have seen that.

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pouring concrete putting in utilities.

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» Yes. I was saying it looks like um the

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jurisdiction and will alter the area.

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» Therefore would require a notice of

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» Does anyone on the commission have

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relative like the the size of alteration

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um that Nick could consider doing an

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abbreviated notice of intent.

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» Yes, if if they do continue with the

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intent would make sense. it. From what

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» Yeah, I just had uh one quick question.

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the NOI route. Uh that would require a

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wetland specialist to come and get an

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official distance. Is that correct

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or

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» Yes, that's correct.

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» Okay, got it.

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» I can follow up with you um tomorrow if

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that's the with more details if that's

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the route that it goes.

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» Okay.

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Yeah, we we we did confirm that with the

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um technical expert at D because

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I wasn't seeing it strictly, you know,

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written in the regulations, but she did

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confirm that.

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» And maybe if you guys wanted to talk

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about what sort of conditions you might

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want to see, just so we can let Nick be

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prepared and bring us exactly what we're

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looking for since it's in front of us

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today.

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I I think Well, Barbara, you start.

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» Oh, I think you're on mute, Barbara.

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» Yes. That would make some people very

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happy. Um, so

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I don't know [clears throat] what order

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you want to take um, any conditions, but

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I'm I've been suggesting sort of from

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the beginning that it might be

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worthwhile considering uh, downspouts.

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Um, controlling the water that comes off

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the roof of that garage, [clears throat]

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controlling it, you know, I'm so sorry.

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Um,

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controlling it in a way that, you know,

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removes it. um because the higher going

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off the back of the garage is a higher

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um sort of higher plane and also it's a

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longer distance um to the wetlands from

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up there uh as you get farther away from

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the front doors of the garage. It it the

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slope, you know, comes becomes shorter.

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So, I'm thinking up where the garage is

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carrying it off the roof would not be a

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bad idea. Leaders and gutters.

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Okay, got it.

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James or Drew, did you have any?

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» Yeah. Yeah, I mean I guess in terms of

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how the

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you know

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prevention of runoff you know uh in

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terms of construction you know the the

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way straw swaddles are set up and

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everything to prevent it from you know

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running back down in and and uh you know

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determining where the fill is coming

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from if there is any. I know it's

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seemingly just going to be a a slab

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poured and then was it it was deeper on

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the edges and then the middle was uh

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shallow. I forget exactly what was going

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on there, but um

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» Yeah, that's correct. So, they're

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they're planning a

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uh 16inch wide by 4 feet deep perimeter

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and then just pouring a slab for the

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center.

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» I gotcha.

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And

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» And what would happen with um

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the soil they dig up the four feet?

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Would it be carded away or?

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» Yeah, we can. I would assume they would

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take it away, but we can put that as a

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condition to ensure it's removed if

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that's required.

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» I I mean I I guess you'd want to think

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about what else you would do with it or

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if you plan to do something else with

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it. Um,

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» Okay.

357
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» But it sounds like no, it would just be

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taken away. Um,

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which is fine.

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» Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, taking it

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away would probably be the easiest route

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because if you're putting it elsewhere

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in the property, that then becomes

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landscaping, which is a whole another.

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So, yeah.

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Um my my other question is actually and

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so I agree with you Barbara. I think I

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had mentioned it as well. Definitely

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downspouts would would be in order but I

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think you had already planned on that

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Nick as well. Um and uh um good point

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about construction Drew. Um just

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considering like what's what's going to

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happen during natural construction of

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it. The other thing I was wondering is

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the fact that the so the the driveway

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itself is

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really steep. Um, and it's it's a

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driveway. It's impermeable. So there

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would be a lot of runoff from from the

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driveway. Um,

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and uh I'm also wondering, especially

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since that that end of the driveway is

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is just kind of getting a little wider

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now, although it's not getting closer to

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the the um wetland, whether we need to

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consider the runoff from the driveway

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itself.

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I thought there was enough um lawn like

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there was enough distance and lawn um to

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the wetland area that it would

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capture mo you know most of it. I didn't

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look like there was areas where it was

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pooling today. Um and it's long and

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flat. It's not concentrated. So, I think

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it's getting

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spread over a bigger area and it's I I

398
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wasn't concerned about that. I I think

399
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my

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um request would be just standard

401
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um you know, what's going to be the

402
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limit of work that contractors are going

403
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to stay within. Putting up the erosion

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controls, marking that limit of work. Um

405
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making sure

406
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Nick you um

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have your contractor make clear on the

408
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plans where anything will be stockpiled

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even temporarily. Um

410
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you know I ideally it's not closer to

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the wetland. Um but you might need to

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put it someplace temporarily

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um if that's the case. So just kind of

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thinking through those details would be

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helpful um when you come back to us.

416
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Okay, sounds good.

417
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» Um,

418
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anyone

419
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else?

420
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Okay. So, can I get a motion to issue a

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negative determination? I mean, a

422
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positive determination.

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for positive determination for um number

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three

425
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for a abbreviated NOI.

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» I second.

427
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» Okay.

428
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» To confirm, do we need to mention the

429
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address?

430
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» 23 Montro Sav.

431
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» All right.

432
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» Okay.

433
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It's understood. So, um I'll take the

434
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motion. Um, Drew,

435
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» Yes.

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» Barbara,

437
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» Yes.

438
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James,

439
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» Yes.

440
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» And I myself am a yes.

441
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» Okay.

442
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:48,799
» So, sorry. So, um, we're we're doing a

443
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positive determination.

444
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Nick and Ethan will be back in touch

445
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with you.

446
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I owe you some. you had asked about

447
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notweed and and native plants. So, I put

448
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together an email which I'll forward to

449
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Ethan and he can send it on to you.

450
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,039
Okay, sounds good. And then really

451
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quickly just to recap on the conditions.

452
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So I put down uh gutters and downspouts

453
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uh noting the removal of the soil

454
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uh marking the limit of work and putting

455
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uh erosion control like the straw

456
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waddles and then noting if anything

457
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[snorts] will be stockpiled and where on

458
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the property.

459
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Does that all sound good?

460
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» Sounds great.

461
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» Yeah, that's pretty boilerplate, you

462
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know, um especially the stockpiling. you

463
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know, if a if a

464
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a truck or something, you know, ends up

465
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parking on your back lawn cuz that's all

466
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they can go, then they're within, you

467
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know, really close limit. And vehicles

468
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often leak certain fluids.

469
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» Yep. Understood.

470
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» It's just pro, you know, it's just

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protecting

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anything that we can.

473
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» Yeah.

474
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All right. Sounds good. Um, so yeah, I

475
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will watch for the communication from

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Ethan. Um, I guess any other questions

477
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for me or

478
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» No, thank you um for your patience and

479
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um working with us and you have a very

480
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lovely spot and I think you'll enjoy it

481
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even more.

482
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» Thank you. I appreciate it and thanks

483
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and uh nice working with everybody. I'm

484
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sure I'll I'll be in touch soon.

485
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Sounds good.

486
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» All righty. Have a good night, everyone.

487
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» Good night.

488
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» Thanks.

489
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See,

490
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so the next item on the agenda is

491
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Michael Palmer, 81 Spring Street, notice

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of intent for public hearing for the

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removal of an existing house, shed, and

494
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retaining wall and construction of a

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single family house, and driveway within

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100 ft of a wetland resource area.

497
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Um, do we have Michael here?

498
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Hi. Uh, I hope you can see me and hear

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me.

500
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» Would you like to explain the project in

501
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more details? Um, and

502
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» Yeah, sure. So, I bought a small house,

503
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900 ft house, uh, with the intention of

504
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my daughter living there. Um, I pulled a

505
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demolition permit for the interior with

506
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the original intention of just

507
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renovating the home. Um, but the home is

508
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pretty tired, uh, pretty fully

509
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constructed, um, as a box. So, I've

510
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progressed a little bit and, uh, decided

511
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to, it would be best to take the home

512
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down and build a new, uh, new

513
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construction.

514
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Um, so I worked with the surveyor and

515
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engineer. We, um, we designed a 1,400

516
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ft² primary home. uh uh footprint

517
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twotory. So 1,400 on top of 1400 with an

518
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attached garage which is approximately

519
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900 on top of 900 uh cuz it has a second

520
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story as well. Um

521
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and that's about it. I mean the home

522
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sits uh pretty uh pretty much at grade

523
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on Spring Street. Uh Spring Street uh

524
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where I'm located is a pretty pretty

525
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level. It levels out pretty well. Um

526
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however the back uh there is a s not

527
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probably an eight foot rise in grade

528
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um at the back corner and beyond that

529
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back corner maybe 40 40 ft I I'm not

530
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sure exactly there is a um water I don't

531
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know if it's a pond or a pool how you

532
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know how you classify it um but uh my

533
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little lack of environmental knowledge.

534
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Um I

535
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» Mike, I can kind of jump in

536
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» If you Yeah, if you could discuss that

537
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part. Yeah.

538
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,120
» Yeah. And if one of you wants to share

539
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your screen.

540
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:19,120
» Sure. I can do that. My name's Ian. I'm

541
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an engineer with Miser Bram. I'm working

542
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for Michael.

543
00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:23,760
» Sorry. Can we get your just for the

544
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,159
record, Ian, your first and last name

545
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:29,279
and your firm name again? So

546
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» That's Ian Aninsley and the firm is

547
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Misner Brem and we're at uh 142

548
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Littleton Road in Westford.

549
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» Thank you.

550
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» Y uh can you see the plan now?

551
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,640
» Yes.

552
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:44,799
» Okay. Uh, so kind of building on what

553
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:47,679
Mike was talking about, you can see

554
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:49,840
Spring Street down here, the existing

555
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:52,559
house here,

556
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:57,039
the new house, kind of a dark black

557
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:59,039
here, and then the wetland area. It's it

558
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:01,600
is actually bordering vegetated wetland,

559
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:04,320
although if you go out there, it's you

560
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:07,679
predominantly see a pond. The wetland is

561
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:11,200
just kind of along that pond edge. Um,

562
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:16,559
and then I got the 50 foot offset and

563
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:19,120
100 foot buffer. Um, so you can see

564
00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:22,320
really only the back of the house is in

565
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:25,360
the buffer. I think we're at 84 ft away

566
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,240
from the wetland at the closest point.

567
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:30,320
And the other kind of key thing is it

568
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,279
the property actually slopes away from

569
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:36,799
the wetland. So you can see the grade

570
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:39,200
going up here. So any work that we're

571
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:42,080
doing, we're not expecting to flow back

572
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:45,080
into the wetland.

573
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,080
» Okay.

574
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,880
» Can you just outline the size of the new

575
00:26:54,559 --> 00:27:00,080
like the new structure? Will it change

576
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:02,320
at all? I'm sorry. I see the existing

577
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,760
dwelling. So you move it.

578
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,799
» So here's the existing.

579
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,919
» Okay. And then the new is this kind of

580
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,400
rectangle.

581
00:27:07,919 --> 00:27:10,799
» Mhm.

582
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,400
» Dark rectangle.

583
00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:14,720
» Um

584
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,360
so the you can see it is a size increase

585
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:20,360
but it's pretty modest house for this

586
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,360
lot.

587
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:29,440
» What is the lot square footage? The lot

588
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:30,320
size the ratio of the new build to the

589
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,120
lot.

590
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,520
» Yep. It's um it's a 10,000 square foot

591
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:38,960
lot

592
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:42,400
and um

593
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:45,279
square footage of the house is 2415. So

594
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,919
if you take that out of 10,000 that's

595
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:49,279
about 25%.

596
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:50,000
» Okay.

597
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:53,000
» Thank you.

598
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,000
» Yeah.

599
00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:03,440
Um, what's nice about this too is

600
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,760
the existing driveway and the new

601
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,000
driveway that come in are both entirely

602
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,679
outside of the buffer. Um, it's only

603
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,679
kind of the back corner of the house

604
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:13,039
that's in it. And then the majority of

605
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:16,039
the house is actually outside the

606
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,039
buffer.

607
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:27,600
» Can you talk about the retaining wall?

608
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Yeah, there's a there's a retaining wall

609
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:34,240
there now. Uh kind of like a field stone

610
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,760
wall. Um it's it's not in the best

611
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,919
shape. They're definitely going to take

612
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:42,000
it down when they put the new house in.

613
00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:44,880
Um and I think the thought right now is

614
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:48,559
where this grade kind of goes up right

615
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:51,039
now. Um, the thought is to put a wall

616
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:53,600
kind of in this back corner so that they

617
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:56,080
can walk out the back door into like a

618
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,880
flat area and not right into the hill

619
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:03,840
going up. Uh, so we're expecting that to

620
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:07,360
be 3 or 4 feet tall.

621
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:09,679
» So you'd be reusing the ex the stones um

622
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,200
parts and pieces from the existing stone

623
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:11,520
wall.

624
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,440
Mike,

625
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,720
» Are you thinking of reusing or would you

626
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,720
do a new one?

627
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,559
uh the the retaining wall that's there

628
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,240
now um with the material it's very

629
00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:25,520
insignificant. I don't I don't think

630
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,360
there'll be an opportunity to reuse it

631
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:31,120
because um what's there now is so

632
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,760
minimal. I think there's you know

633
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:37,679
there's only about I think there's maybe

634
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:40,559
2 3 feet uh by 10 ft. So to match the

635
00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:43,440
stone uh would not work. We could we

636
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:46,720
would potentially use it for back fill

637
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,840
and for the footing. Um but some stone

638
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,520
or Yeah. some stone stone or masonry for

639
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:54,640
the retaining wall would be new new

640
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:57,120
construction, new material.

641
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:59,039
» So you'd have to remove the existing. Is

642
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,559
you say you could use some of it but not

643
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:03,279
all of it?

644
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:05,840
» No, we would pro we we could uh lack of

645
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:08,080
a better term lose what's there. We

646
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,320
would utilize it in the uh footing.

647
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,320
Okay.

648
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,919
» So, below below grade. So, we'd be able

649
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,440
to use it that way. Yes.

650
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:15,279
» Okay.

651
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,640
That's what I was trying to understand.

652
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,799
Thank you.

653
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,799
» Thank you.

654
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:35,919
Also, I observed um looking at the map

655
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:38,399
um a topo um that that neighborhood um

656
00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:41,200
there are a number of houses uh on the

657
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:43,360
side road as well as on spring. I don't

658
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,760
know the side road is it emans or

659
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:48,240
something. I don't know the name of that

660
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,399
road, but um there are a number of

661
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:55,440
houses, maybe four or five that are

662
00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:59,200
centered around this um wetlands area.

663
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:01,919
Um I I don't really know how close those

664
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:05,760
houses are, but number 93, which is a

665
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:07,679
flag lot, seems to be a little closer

666
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,799
than what you're describing you would be

667
00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:14,640
doing. I'm just wondering if that's Can

668
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:16,159
you see that house from from your lot?

669
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,559
I'm sorry. I'm new to that neighborhood

670
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:19,600
and I'm not uh all that familiar. Yeah.

671
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,360
I apologize.

672
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,240
» I think you're talking about if you're

673
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,159
looking at this house from the street,

674
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,880
» Is it the lot to the left?

675
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:31,840
» Correct. Number 93.

676
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,480
» Yeah, I think we're

677
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,240
fairly close

678
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,679
back, but I think it goes back a little

679
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,399
bit further.

680
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:44,240
Yeah, I think we're equal distance or 93

681
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:46,799
is for uh I think it's close to equal

682
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,760
distance, but um I think

683
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:50,000
» To the wetland.

684
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,679
» Yeah. Right.

685
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,679
» Okay. So, yeah. So, there is some

686
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:56,000
precedent is what I'm I'm kind of

687
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:59,039
looking for um in the neighborhood for

688
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:01,679
this particular wetland um and the way

689
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:04,640
the neighborhood has been carved out

690
00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:07,640
side [clears throat] roads and spring.

691
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,640
Okay.

692
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,760
Sorry, Barbara um may have asked this

693
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,720
question and I was concentrating on the

694
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,000
pictures. Um but with the retaining

695
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,519
wall, you're going to be going into the

696
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,600
hillside and then carting away that soil

697
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,720
or will that you be used elsewhere on

698
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,000
the property?

699
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,000
» It would be removed.

700
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
» Okay.

701
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,960
Uh

702
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,880
» The other the other uh benefit here is

703
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,519
the house would be pretty similar in

704
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,519
elevation to the existing house. So

705
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:56,080
we're not expecting, you know, large

706
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:57,679
amount of fill, large amount of grading

707
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,000
required.

708
00:32:57,679 --> 00:33:02,240
um that the lots set up pretty pretty

709
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,320
well for the house to be at a similar

710
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,000
elevation

711
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,120
» And

712
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,120
and um I guess how deep do you dig the

713
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,120
foundation?

714
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:16,840
» I think the architectural is calling for

715
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,840
an 8ft foundation.

716
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,200
» That's pretty typical for a for a

717
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,200
basement.

718
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,679
I think it's somewhat code at this

719
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:32,000
point. Um I know you can I know you can

720
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:35,679
do smaller ones, but I think uh as Ian

721
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,159
said is 8 foot is very typical.

722
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:39,039
» What do you mean

723
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:40,399
» That's how deep the concrete is?

724
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:43,679
» I'm sorry.

725
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:47,679
» Sorry. Is that how deep the concrete is?

726
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:49,679
So, um, so you you would dig down, I

727
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:52,320
think, so around the perimeter you would

728
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:53,840
establish your footings or or all your

729
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,240
footings would be established. And I

730
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,760
would say those are probably 9 ft below

731
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,000
grade because I would assume they're

732
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,760
typically around a 12 in pore.

733
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,440
» And then you build your foundation wall

734
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,240
on top of that, which would be an 8

735
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,960
foot.

736
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,799
» Okay.

737
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,480
» Yeah. And that's the full perimeter. Uh,

738
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:12,320
and sometimes some uh structural uh

739
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,919
within the perimeter.

740
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,720
» Okay.

741
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:18,480
And then it's usually exposed, you know,

742
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:19,280
6 in to a foot.

743
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,200
» That's right.

744
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,800
» Sticking out of the ground.

745
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,200
» Yeah. So that would actually adjust the

746
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:28,240
dig. So instead of digging in, you'd be

747
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,960
probably digging down seven seven to

748
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,359
eight.

749
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,520
» Yeah.

750
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:33,839
» Because you'd have a you'd have uh a

751
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,960
foot or two of the foundation above

752
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:35,919
grade.

753
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,560
» Okay.

754
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:41,119
» Would you require a sump pump or a

755
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,679
French drain? What would you be thinking

756
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,839
of?

757
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:47,200
» The existing house now appears the

758
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:52,000
basement appears dry. Um I pro I would

759
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:54,879
take the advice uh of the contractors to

760
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,119
uh maybe prep for a sump, you know,

761
00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:58,800
which would just be a hole in the uh

762
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,520
foundation floor.

763
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,720
» Yep.

764
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:05,280
» Um but there's no evidence that there'd

765
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:07,359
be an issue at this point.

766
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:10,079
» Okay. and your utilities, can you use

767
00:35:07,359 --> 00:35:12,640
the same um line or will you have to dig

768
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:15,119
those up and put it in a new trench?

769
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,960
» I think it um it's required and I think

770
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,400
it well, we would definitely need to

771
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,320
increase the size of the electrical

772
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,480
because I think the the home is fairly

773
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,960
small. It's only around 900 ft now,

774
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,560
» Right?

775
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,160
» So, I think it's 100 amp service. So,

776
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,440
that would go to a 200 amp service that

777
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:32,400
is above ground, the electrical. Um, the

778
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:36,240
house does have gas at this point, but

779
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:38,720
the new plan uh with the new codes does

780
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:42,640
not call uh for gas. So, the the house

781
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:45,440
is 100% electrical and um water and

782
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,240
sewer. I would assume because it's new

783
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,880
construction, you would replace to the

784
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,560
street just because the home is older

785
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,359
and the lines would be older. So, it

786
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,839
would be

787
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:57,520
» Preventative to, you know, do new on

788
00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:59,599
that.

789
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,599
Okay.

790
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:03,599
» And it's a short I mean, you know, it's

791
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:05,200
short distance to the street. So, so

792
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:07,440
within the yard, it's not a lot of

793
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,200
digging, not not a lot of effort to

794
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,119
replace.

795
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,200
» I guess you all don't have radon up

796
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,720
here.

797
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,720
» Um, yeah. I don't How do we address

798
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:19,599
that? We did do the HERS rating. We did

799
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:23,680
the the energy audit report. Um, I don't

800
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:26,240
know if that's included in that. um

801
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:29,119
you know so uh but I think we do I think

802
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:30,640
we do we do address radon in the

803
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:33,640
building permit.

804
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640
» Okay.

805
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,800
» Thank you.

806
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,760
» Uh what about the the base material

807
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,359
within that retaining wall? Is that just

808
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,160
going to be grass or it's going to be

809
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:50,640
paving stone or

810
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,839
» You're talking like the blocks and the

811
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,240
wall?

812
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:55,839
» No, I mean the the floor. So when you

813
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,920
walk out of the house into that little

814
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:59,760
area.

815
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,839
» Yeah, Mike. I think what he's asking is

816
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,760
when you walk out this back door kind of

817
00:37:01,839 --> 00:37:04,560
this slow flat area.

818
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,560
» Mhm.

819
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,160
» I think what's typ Yeah. What's typical

820
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,480
these days is pavers.

821
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,400
» Yeah.

822
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:15,400
» Uh you know, so they would be permeable,

823
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,400
semi-permeable. Semi. Okay.

824
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,720
» Yeah. People like that hardcape style,

825
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,720
especially near the door.

826
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:25,720
» Yeah.

827
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,720
» Yeah. Anytime with an egress, I think

828
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:37,839
you want a minimum of pavers um just

829
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:39,839
because of uh snow management uh and

830
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:42,320
safety in that respect. I mean to have

831
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:46,480
gravel would uh you know uh something

832
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:48,960
more permeable uh or even grass would be

833
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,720
uh a little more difficult to manage the

834
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,119
the rare egress of the building for

835
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,119
safety reasons.

836
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,880
» And is anything changing on the front or

837
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:02,560
you going to keep the same

838
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,640
Oh no proposed paid driveway. Okay.

839
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,240
» Yeah. So the moving Yeah. The driveway

840
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,000
is going to slide over here because this

841
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:11,800
is the garage is going to be on this

842
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,800
side. Okay.

843
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,480
» Um,

844
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:22,359
would anybody be interested in

845
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,359
conducting a site visit?

846
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:30,866
» We met um the conservation Ethan uh the

847
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,440
other day at the property. Okay.

848
00:38:30,866 --> 00:38:35,200
» [clears throat]

849
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:38,640
» I'd be interested in taking a peek um

850
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:43,760
just because of the pond and there's um

851
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:46,079
potential vernal pool near there but

852
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:51,280
and just to unders

853
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:55,800
just to um get a better visual

854
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,800
Barbara James Drew do you

855
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:01,599
» We do have pictures from Ethan's visit

856
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:05,920
Mhm.

857
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:08,320
» Um, but if we wanted to look at the I

858
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:11,599
mean what the wetland itself looked

859
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:13,599
like. Um,

860
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:15,760
we could we could certainly do that. I'm

861
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:19,200
not too concerned because it is a it is

862
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,320
a pretty steep decline like towards the

863
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,800
house.

864
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,560
» Okay.

865
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,599
» And away from the wetland.

866
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,880
» Okay.

867
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,240
» But yeah.

868
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,599
» Yeah. I mean where we're going to be

869
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:32,079
working it's this is six feet higher.

870
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:33,760
you know, so nothing that we're going to

871
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,880
be disturbing is going into that

872
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,800
wetland.

873
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:40,440
» Okay.

874
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,440
Oh, here we go.

875
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,640
» And in speaking with Ethan, we

876
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:49,200
volunteered

877
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:52,000
um you know, controls if uh you people

878
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,680
wanted them cuz it's a minimal effort.

879
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,880
We don't think it's necessary, but if

880
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:58,960
it's something that makes you, you know,

881
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:04,040
uh, makes you more comfortable, we be,

882
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:04,040
you know, that's that's an easy ad,

883
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:13,440
but as as Ian suggested, um, it's it's a

884
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:16,160
6oot up upgrade, so I mean, nothing's

885
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,119
going to really flow up.

886
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,160
» We hope.

887
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,599
» Yeah. You never know.

888
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,599
» That would be a lot of rain.

889
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:23,119
» Yeah.

890
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:25,280
Well, the world's a crazy place.

891
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,520
Anything can happen these days.

892
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,480
» Mhm.

893
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:33,920
» So, it's just a like a grass lawn all

894
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,520
the way to the

895
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,599
wetland,

896
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:41,200
» I think. Once you get off the property

897
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:44,640
back here, um I know it's lawn over here

898
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,800
because this is another house. Um, as

899
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,599
you get sort of in this area, it turns

900
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,680
into woods, but until you get to that

901
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:52,960
back property line, it is essentially

902
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,960
grass.

903
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,960
» Okay.

904
00:40:57,359 --> 00:41:01,280
» Which is probably just cuz they used it

905
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,280
as their yard.

906
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,280
» Okay.

907
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,200
Could

908
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:13,200
you speak to any plant things that you

909
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,880
might be doing if you're removing any

910
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:20,400
vegetation or bringing in anything new?

911
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:23,040
» Yeah. Uh so um I've I've done a little

912
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:27,920
you know my limited experience but my my

913
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:32,079
anticipation is um p privacy uh shrubs

914
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:35,920
uh abavites or uh green giants

915
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,440
um along and the other thing and the

916
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,560
other thing is I would encapsulate the

917
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:43,599
backyard with a six-foot vinyl fence.

918
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,920
Um, I like to do that because like I

919
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:48,079
said, this this is very this the

920
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:51,119
intention of this house is most likely

921
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:53,839
for at a minimum my daughter if not

922
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:56,079
daughter and son. Um, I have adult kids

923
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:59,040
that live with me. Um, but we also

924
00:41:56,079 --> 00:42:01,040
always have dogs. So, we would we would

925
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:05,119
uh privatize the back and, you know, and

926
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:07,680
keep have an area for the dogs. But um

927
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:11,359
to the looking from the street to the

928
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:14,079
left uh there's a a pretty rickety

929
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:17,440
picket fence that would need to be

930
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:19,599
placed. Um I spoke to that neighbor. Um

931
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,160
she seems very nice and I'm I'm

932
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:24,640
confident we can work together. Um so

933
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:28,240
probably fence uh replacement and some

934
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,240
privacy plantings uh all along the back

935
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,839
line.

936
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,240
Um,

937
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:36,560
I would do again uh fence privacy

938
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:40,160
plantings, abides of something of that

939
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,760
nature. And um yeah, I mean there

940
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,280
there's going to be a significant amount

941
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,119
of plantings. I I forget the uh lineage

942
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,079
of the

943
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,599
uh of the lot. I know the lot's 10,000

944
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,920
ft. I think it's 100 by 100.

945
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:56,960
» It's a perfect 100 by hundreds.

946
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,880
» Yeah, it's all hundreds. So, um,

947
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:02,000
probably from the front corners of the

948
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:06,000
house back

949
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:10,839
will be pretty, you know, pretty, uh,

950
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,839
pretty privatized with, uh, plantings.

951
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,200
» Okay.

952
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:20,400
» There'll be, put it this way, there'll

953
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:24,079
be a lot lot more than there now because

954
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,000
there's almost nothing there now.

955
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:29,040
Do you anticipate putting that fence

956
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,760
like around the whole I guess perimeter

957
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:34,560
of the property line or just in a little

958
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:38,480
» I think maybe from the back corners

959
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:41,920
encapsulate that back rectangle,

960
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,800
you know, with it with maybe a gate um

961
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,800
on one or both ends, you know, so you

962
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:51,160
basically establish a backyard. Like I

963
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,160
said, I would do it for pets.

964
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:13,200
Right now, the back border, the back

965
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:14,800
line is a uh like a chicken wire uh

966
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,920
fencing.

967
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:19,359
And on the left side when you're looking

968
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,880
from the street, like I said, there's a

969
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:25,599
picket fence and the uh the chicken wire

970
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:28,000
does come around the corner. Uh on the

971
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:30,800
right side as well, it's it's like uh

972
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,720
just kind of buried and falling apart.

973
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,680
It's not a privacy fence by any means.

974
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:38,960
It's just a like a delineation, I think,

975
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:40,800
to establish the um [snorts]

976
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:44,960
the property lines.

977
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:46,720
» Mhm. But it's it's it's pretty uh

978
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,359
raggedy looking. So that would come I

979
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:52,720
would pull that out. And like I said,

980
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:54,960
I'm pretty typical to a 6ft uh privacy

981
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:57,440
fence.

982
00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,319
» Do do the um immediate neighbors besides

983
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:03,280
that picket fence have um fences as

984
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:04,960
well?

985
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,520
» Uh so when you're looking at the house

986
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,800
to the right, I believe that neighbor is

987
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,599
a corner lot.

988
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,280
» Okay. Uh uh they do not I I don't know

989
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:13,920
if they have it. [snorts]

990
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,520
» Um

991
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,440
» I think there's a good amount of trees

992
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,960
kind of on that side, Mike. So

993
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,920
» Yeah, there's probably why they don't

994
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,599
have a fence.

995
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,960
» Yeah. And she it looks like she does

996
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:27,680
some um um gardening. She has some

997
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,720
raised beds and all along that right

998
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,280
side.

999
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,240
» Okay.

1000
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,160
» Yep. The people to the back um they're

1001
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:36,720
much they're much higher. their home is

1002
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,119
high. Uh,

1003
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:41,200
you know, and their backyard swells

1004
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:45,119
down. Um, I don't know. It's, you know,

1005
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:47,680
kind of bowls out a little bit. Um,

1006
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,200
but yeah, know they share that that

1007
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,520
chicken wire fence. That's all that I

1008
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:55,839
see. and and but then they have uh kind

1009
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:57,520
of uh an eclectic uh plantings [snorts]

1010
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:59,440
um just because their backyard I think

1011
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:04,000
is

1012
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,640
um uh so close to the uh pond.

1013
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,160
» Mhm.

1014
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,160
» You know, so they don't they don't I

1015
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:11,520
don't think I it's all it's mowed. It's

1016
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,200
it's wellkept. Um [snorts]

1017
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,680
but I don't know. I don't The few times

1018
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:19,240
I've been there, I haven't seen much use

1019
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,240
uh from the family.

1020
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:26,800
Yeah, I think our only, you know, hope

1021
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:28,400
is that, um, you know, when we see

1022
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,040
things like this with a pond surrounded

1023
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:36,000
by houses that there's, um, an ability

1024
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:39,839
to allow for wildlife movement,

1025
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:42,319
» You know. So, I think that would be,

1026
00:46:39,839 --> 00:46:45,119
you know, the the only sort of

1027
00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:46,800
suggestion or thing we would encourage.

1028
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:48,720
» Sure. Yeah.

1029
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,240
» That that typically means kind of

1030
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,520
leaving a gap at the bottom of the

1031
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,319
fence. So,

1032
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,520
» Okay.

1033
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:59,280
» Get underneath it. Is that what you

1034
00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:01,200
» Yeah. Or or even um

1035
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,359
um Well, I don't know how people, you

1036
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:06,560
know, if there's going to be a narrow

1037
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:08,079
spot pulling back a fence so that it

1038
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:12,480
sounds like on the other side there's

1039
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:15,040
enough room for wildlife to move. But

1040
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,920
» Yeah, on the on the the the three of

1041
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,560
butters.

1042
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,440
» Mhm.

1043
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:22,440
» They have no restrict no restrictions.

1044
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,440
» Yep.

1045
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,720
» Lots of wild turkeys out there.

1046
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,160
» Yeah. Yeah. My concern, and I don't know

1047
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,839
what's over there, but I don't know if

1048
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:35,280
there's coyotes. I mean, we where I

1049
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:36,800
live, uh, we have coyotes and, um, they

1050
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,599
they're looking at the dogs, you know,

1051
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,400
and the cats. Um, so that's the only

1052
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:44,960
reason, that's my only concern.

1053
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,640
» Um, but we like to see the we like to

1054
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,520
see them move around and have their

1055
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,280
space,

1056
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,640
» But I think this I don't think we're

1057
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,560
going to restrict that at all because

1058
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,240
like I said, the the backyard of the

1059
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,760
property now as it exists is got the

1060
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,280
chicken wire fence.

1061
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,440
» So, and that, you know, so nothing's

1062
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:03,800
coming through that yard as, you know,

1063
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,800
as set up now.

1064
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,720
Um, does anybody else have any

1065
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:18,400
questions? Otherwise, um, we have other,

1066
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:22,559
it looks like people present

1067
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:26,599
and so I wonder if we can open the

1068
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:26,599
hearing up to the public.

1069
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:35,599
Is there anyone from the public who

1070
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:39,480
would like to comment on the 81 Spring

1071
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:39,480
Street notice of intent

1072
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:47,480
going once, going twice?

1073
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,160
Okay.

1074
00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:58,920
Ethan, what do you propose next?

1075
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:04,079
Um, it sounds like we've answered all

1076
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,760
our questions. I would suggest

1077
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:08,160
considering issuing an order of

1078
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:12,319
conditions.

1079
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:16,240
» Um, can we have you draft the order of

1080
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:19,480
conditions and we approve them at the

1081
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,480
next meeting?

1082
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,880
» What's our timeline?

1083
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:28,640
» Yeah, if the applicant is willing to

1084
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:32,640
continue it, you can do that. Yep.

1085
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:36,559
Uh what's what's your next meeting?

1086
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,640
» Uh September 15th,

1087
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:41,200
» Mike, are you okay with that?

1088
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,119
» Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean of so we're

1089
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,480
fighting fighting the season now for

1090
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:48,240
construction and applying for the

1091
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:50,160
permit, but um you know, I'm not I'm not

1092
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,680
upset by it. If that's what you guys

1093
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,960
require, that'd be fine. I mean, if it

1094
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,559
could be voted on today, that'd be

1095
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,839
great. But um I don't know if the order

1096
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,440
of conditions is going to be that you

1097
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:03,040
know if anything's really going to jump

1098
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:05,440
out that um

1099
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,119
we've all already spoken to Ethan about

1100
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,760
and volunt you know I mean I'm very I'm

1101
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:12,400
easy but if if it has to be articulated

1102
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:15,280
in a in a draft that's you know and

1103
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:18,640
recorded that's fine. I you know I don't

1104
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:21,520
know how much um you guys need to firm

1105
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,920
up with me. Um, but if you if there is

1106
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,960
stuff that needs to be firmed up, then

1107
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,680
uh we'll have to go to the next meeting.

1108
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:33,680
» Ethan, do you have a draft

1109
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:35,599
order ready to go that we can look at?

1110
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:37,760
» No, I don't think there's anything

1111
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:40,400
specific. Um, I might just add a

1112
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,359
requirement for the gap underneath the

1113
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,680
fence.

1114
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:45,200
» Okay.

1115
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:46,960
» And then a condition for adding a

1116
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,280
handful of plantings just to make sure

1117
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,200
those get done. But besides that,

1118
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,240
there's nothing to add. Just our

1119
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,000
standard conditions and then filling out

1120
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,920
the form itself. So,

1121
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,440
» And I I forgot to ask, is that shed

1122
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,119
going to stay to the right?

1123
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:05,200
» No. No, that's f basically falling over.

1124
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:07,440
» Okay.

1125
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:11,359
» It's not even attached to the ground. It

1126
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,319
sits kind of stands and on a uh on the

1127
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:15,319
dirt.

1128
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:15,319
» Okay.

1129
00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:17,359
» Okay. Um,

1130
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,920
» Yeah,

1131
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:21,599
» That should be fine to issue today. If

1132
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,400
you guys are ready, like I mentioned,

1133
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:26,079
I'll just add a condition for the fence

1134
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,640
gap and then a condition for a handful

1135
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:30,400
of plantings. But besides that, it's all

1136
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:33,400
pretty standard.

1137
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,400
» Yeah,

1138
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:40,240
» If you guys want those to be conditions

1139
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,400
added onto it,

1140
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:44,240
» I think that makes sense. Drew, Barbara,

1141
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,760
would you guys be comfortable voting

1142
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:48,720
tonight?

1143
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,640
James too.

1144
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:52,880
» Yes, I would.

1145
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,880
» Yeah, I I think it's at least from what

1146
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,160
I'm seeing, it's pretty

1147
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,599
» Right. Straight forward.

1148
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,960
» It's Yeah, it's pretty straightforward.

1149
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,839
It's probably one of the

1150
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,079
» Easier

1151
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:04,240
» Easier, safest ones that I've seen just

1152
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:06,559
even just from the grade standpoint, you

1153
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:08,160
know. Um,

1154
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:09,599
» And the fact that no other neighbors,

1155
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:13,359
like you said, kind of have anything

1156
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:15,359
blocked in. I I I'm I'm pretty good on

1157
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:17,680
it. Okay.

1158
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:20,400
» Yeah, I agree.

1159
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,680
» And okay, I think I read through

1160
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,480
everything will be carded off. I'm

1161
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,040
always worried about stockpiling. Um I

1162
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:30,240
think we need a motion to close the

1163
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:31,839
public hearing and then we would issue

1164
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,680
the order of conditions. Is that

1165
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:35,599
correct, Judy?

1166
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,559
Or we would vote to issue the order of

1167
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,800
conditions.

1168
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:40,400
» Yeah. Close the public hearing first and

1169
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,400
then vote to issue the order.

1170
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,760
» Okay. I'll make a motion to close the

1171
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,880
public hearing. [clears throat]

1172
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,920
» I'll second.

1173
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,640
» Thank you. Um Drew,

1174
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,839
» Yes.

1175
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,559
» Barbara,

1176
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:51,520
» Yes.

1177
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,480
» James,

1178
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,359
» Yes.

1179
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:59,520
» And I myself am a yes.

1180
00:52:55,359 --> 00:53:04,160
Um so we've closed the public hearing.

1181
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:07,359
Um, can I now get a motion to issue an

1182
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:11,040
order of conditions

1183
00:53:07,359 --> 00:53:14,040
with the um two items that Ethan

1184
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,040
mentioned?

1185
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:17,839
» I'll make a motion to approve the order

1186
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:21,760
of conditions

1187
00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:23,760
um for 81 Spring Street, Wakefield uh

1188
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,839
with the two conditions that Ethan had

1189
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:30,559
mentioned.

1190
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:30,559
» I will second that. Okay.

1191
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:37,440
And for cl clarification, it's the um

1192
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:39,359
leaving a gap with the fence and some

1193
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,400
plantings,

1194
00:53:39,359 --> 00:53:43,200
right, Ethan? Okay, Drew,

1195
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,160
» Yes.

1196
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,960
» Barbara,

1197
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,839
» Yes.

1198
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,640
» James,

1199
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:49,280
» Yes.

1200
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:53,000
» And I am a yes.

1201
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,000
» Okay. Thank you.

1202
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,160
So,

1203
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:58,880
» Thank you both very much and for

1204
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:00,240
explaining it.

1205
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,839
Thank you very much.

1206
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:03,440
» I'm sure your daughter will be delighted

1207
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:06,440
to have a brand new house.

1208
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,440
» Yes.

1209
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,800
I think you're breaking up, Michael, but

1210
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:32,880
if you have any other questions um that

1211
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:36,839
come up along the process, Ethan can

1212
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,839
certainly help you out.

1213
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,000
Okay,

1214
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,200
» Thank you. Have a good evening.

1215
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:45,200
» All right. Thank you.

1216
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:05,599
Okay. Uh, next on our agenda is pack

1217
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:08,000
self storage of Wakefield um

1218
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:11,359
50 Quantapow Parkway. That matter has

1219
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:13,920
been continued to September 15th at the

1220
00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:18,800
applicant's request.

1221
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Um, our next item on the agenda is under

1222
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:25,359
other business. We have 39 Bartley

1223
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:27,839
Street enforcement discussion.

1224
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:30,800
Um, Ethan, do you want to kick this off

1225
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:34,160
and give us some background?

1226
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,640
» Sure. So, um, this house at 39 Bartley

1227
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:38,800
Street has a wetland behind the

1228
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,839
property. um they had began work on

1229
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:44,160
landscaping and a retaining wall um

1230
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:46,480
without getting a wetlands permit. So

1231
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,880
I've just asked them to stop work and

1232
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,559
then come to this meeting if they could

1233
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,359
tell us a bit about the work that they

1234
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:56,319
were doing or planning to do. We can

1235
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:58,319
consider any immediate steps and then

1236
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:01,920
talk about eventual permits and what we

1237
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:04,640
might want to see from them.

1238
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:08,480
» My name is Drew. I'm uh not only the

1239
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:11,119
resident at 39 Bartley, but um I'm also

1240
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:14,160
a licensed general contractor. So,

1241
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:19,280
» This is right up my alley. So, the whole

1242
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:21,599
goal of this project is to

1243
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,280
we're calling it a driveway extension

1244
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,040
just because of the proximity to the

1245
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,960
driveway, but it's really just to

1246
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:31,760
terrace the land. So originally it was

1247
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:34,720
more or less just a dump off from an

1248
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:37,680
asphalt driveway down to the backyard

1249
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:40,079
which also abuts the wetlands. Um and

1250
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:43,920
the desire was to make a set of stairs

1251
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:46,480
going from the uh backyard to the

1252
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,119
driveway level to access vehicles that

1253
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,799
are parked. Um and we figured naturally

1254
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,589
while we're doing that might as well

1255
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:53,119
make the rest of the land usable

1256
00:56:52,589 --> 00:56:55,920
[snorts]

1257
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:58,160
um and just terrace it off. So, it's

1258
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,880
going to be 40 linear feet of a uh

1259
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:04,319
concrete block retaining wall poured on

1260
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:07,920
an 8 in footer. Um,

1261
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:10,720
it's got approximately 400 square ft of

1262
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:14,160
crush stone topping that'll go in this

1263
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:16,720
retaining wall area. Um, with all proper

1264
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:22,119
drainage um leading to an outlet in the

1265
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:22,119
backyard. That's more or less our goal.

1266
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,920
Does anyone have questions on the

1267
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:35,040
commission or Janelle, did you want to

1268
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,359
say anything? You looked like you

1269
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,280
» Oh, I'm just the property owner of the

1270
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:41,680
of it. So, he he knows more about the

1271
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:44,960
project. Um but yeah, just there was a

1272
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:47,599
fence um there previously, so the fence

1273
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:51,040
part of the fence we removed, but um

1274
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:52,480
just kind of trying to um make it neater

1275
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,880
than it was.

1276
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:57,280
» Okay,

1277
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:01,760
I have a question. How close um do you

1278
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:04,799
know how many feet you are? Sorry, I

1279
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:08,400
have a little frog. close to the

1280
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:10,480
wetlands um from your existing

1281
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:14,559
what was the existing drive that you're

1282
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:16,559
now um adding to? Do you know the

1283
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:17,920
distance between that the end of that

1284
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:19,599
and the wetlands?

1285
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,720
» Well, so I guess the issue we're having

1286
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:25,040
is we don't know the definitive line of

1287
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,520
the wetlands. [clears throat] Um which

1288
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:30,319
makes that difficult to know. Um,

1289
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:33,280
however, I can tell you in confidence

1290
00:58:30,319 --> 00:58:36,480
that the the original driveway that we

1291
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:39,760
are now um addressing the back of closer

1292
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:42,240
to the wetlands um was at least 70 ft or

1293
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,839
so away from the wetlands.

1294
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,079
» Okay.

1295
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:49,180
Do you feel that you should have a a

1296
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:51,040
proper reading by a professional

1297
00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:52,960
[clears throat] to establish the actual

1298
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,599
delineation?

1299
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,799
what we were following on purpose. To be

1300
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:59,119
honest with you, when when we started

1301
00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:00,880
this, conservation wasn't really at the

1302
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:03,920
forefront of of the project. We that

1303
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,920
wasn't an initial thought because we

1304
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,920
were following the original fence line

1305
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,000
that was going up the property towards

1306
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,839
the street. Um, and it was very

1307
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,440
intentional to stay on that fence line

1308
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:17,520
with the retaining wall. Um, so I guess

1309
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,760
I'm kind of leaving that up to you guys

1310
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,520
uh to determine.

1311
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,440
So, do you have any information on

1312
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,880
whether that was pre-approved by a

1313
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,880
previous owner? I don't know how long

1314
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:28,559
you've owned that property.

1315
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,040
» Um, yeah. So, I've lived here about

1316
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:34,240
three years. Um, I tried to go to the

1317
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:36,880
town hall and pull like the fields card

1318
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:40,079
and gather as much information as I

1319
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:42,240
could on the property. Um, it was pretty

1320
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:44,079
vague as far as some of the like the

1321
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:47,200
fence. I I couldn't figure out like when

1322
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:49,200
that was put up. Um, and I just learned

1323
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,880
recently of the wetlands other than I

1324
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,680
knew there was like a stream in the far

1325
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,599
far back, but um, not that there was

1326
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,200
some they were considering wetlands was

1327
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:59,280
closer to the side. So, this this was

1328
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:01,599
kind of news to me that I wasn't aware

1329
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,506
of. So, [snorts]

1330
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:06,526
» Okay. Thank you.

1331
01:00:04,506 --> 01:00:06,526
[clears throat]

1332
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:14,599
» Anybody else have questions or comments?

1333
01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:22,559
So I I think in addition to the the

1334
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:24,720
project itself, um I mean there's

1335
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:26,480
there's the bit

1336
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,880
that you had mentioned where your your

1337
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:33,119
intention is to follow the original

1338
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:36,160
fence line and to kind of just

1339
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:38,799
extend the driveway just like in terms

1340
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,640
of the the the actual

1341
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:43,280
square footage and location of the

1342
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:46,960
project. Um, but with the site visit

1343
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:50,480
pictures, my my other concern is um the

1344
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:52,559
the dumping to the side of that, it's

1345
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,920
it's pretty far to the to the I mean, if

1346
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,000
you're if you're looking towards the

1347
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,280
house, it's pretty far to the right of

1348
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:02,559
the fence line. Um, and that wetland is

1349
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:05,040
is pretty I mean, without being there, I

1350
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:11,680
can't exactly see, but with with the the

1351
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:16,079
photos, it's pretty darn close. Um and

1352
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:19,280
my question would be um

1353
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:21,839
you know was with with that dumping like

1354
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:26,240
what where is that going to be carded

1355
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:28,400
off? Is it going to be placed back into

1356
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:32,000
the terrace area and used for

1357
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,880
landscaping or um what's going on with

1358
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,559
that?

1359
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,240
» Yeah. So, that's kind of the beauty of

1360
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:38,960
it is we're not going to have to truck

1361
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:40,799
off any material at all. If anything,

1362
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,319
we're going to be trucking in lom and

1363
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:46,480
and crushed stone. Um, the removed

1364
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:51,359
material is going to be entirely used to

1365
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:54,079
back fill um to be then compacted before

1366
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:56,319
the retaining wall um as fill to build

1367
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,760
up that land. It's currently from the

1368
01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:01,440
grade we're trying to get to

1369
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:04,079
approximately 27 in below grade um over

1370
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:06,319
a pretty large area. So we're

1371
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:08,880
anticipating approximately 22 yards of

1372
01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:11,520
back fill. Um so a lot of that

1373
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,799
excavation well no all of the excavation

1374
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:17,119
will be put back into the area. Um on

1375
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:20,079
the opposing side [snorts] of the

1376
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:21,920
retaining wall closer to the wetlands, I

1377
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:24,000
was planning on using the existing soil

1378
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,520
that was there um to back fill up

1379
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,640
against the wall to maintain the

1380
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:33,480
original grade. Um but then adding new

1381
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:33,480
top soil to hopefully establish turf.

1382
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,599
» So sorry Drew, are you going to elevate?

1383
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,280
Is this happening on the side of the

1384
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:43,920
house or in the

1385
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:47,520
» Okay. And you are going to be um adding

1386
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:50,160
like soil or fill to make it more level

1387
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,640
with the front or the rear or

1388
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:54,799
» Correct. Right now there's a pretty

1389
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,760
heavy slope from the driveway to the

1390
01:02:54,799 --> 01:02:56,240
backyard.

1391
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,160
» Okay.

1392
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:01,119
» And we wanted to build up the area more

1393
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,559
more or less terraaset.

1394
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,520
» Where you guys get your fill from

1395
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:06,079
usually.

1396
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:09,040
» So we use a middle middle sex landscape

1397
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:11,839
supply over in Wilmington.

1398
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:13,920
» Yeah. A friend of mine owns it.

1399
01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:15,839
» Okay. That's that's a lot of our concern

1400
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,319
comes from bringing in phil.

1401
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:18,640
» Sure.

1402
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:20,000
» Just because of Japanese notweed and

1403
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,079
oriental bittersweet and all these

1404
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,480
invasives that you know every site that

1405
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:26,720
we visit now that did bring in phil,

1406
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:29,119
» They have these

1407
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:32,400
terribly invasive plants that

1408
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:34,160
» Will break through you know newly built

1409
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,760
what you know what have you.

1410
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,839
» Sure. I don't know much all about that.

1411
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,559
Um, but if you need additional

1412
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:44,160
information, I can I can request where

1413
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:47,599
their fill comes from. I believe it's

1414
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:51,839
all local, but I'm not sure.

1415
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:55,599
» Ethan, have you been to the site?

1416
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:57,200
» Um, yes, I I went to the site once.

1417
01:03:55,599 --> 01:04:00,640
» Once. Okay. [laughter]

1418
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:02,559
» Um, did you have any thoughts or things

1419
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:05,839
you'd like to share as a result of that

1420
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:08,240
visit with the rest of us? Um, some

1421
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:08,720
observations.

1422
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,799
question.

1423
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,520
» I was just thinking you would definitely

1424
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:16,000
want a notice of intent along with the

1425
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:18,319
wetland survey um before the work

1426
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:21,680
continued. Um

1427
01:04:18,319 --> 01:04:24,240
» Beyond that it was just a question of do

1428
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:27,839
you want to have anything more immediate

1429
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:29,760
or wait for the notice of intent or um

1430
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:32,079
and then if you do the notice of intent

1431
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:36,000
just like we're talking about now what

1432
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:37,680
exactly are we looking at regrading fill

1433
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,920
just what information we might want to

1434
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,480
see down the line.

1435
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:46,240
Yeah, on Mass Mapper what you sent I

1436
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:49,200
mean it's at least from the whatever I

1437
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:52,079
don't even know what year um they

1438
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:55,680
grabbed

1439
01:04:52,079 --> 01:04:57,760
this um screenshot from or the uh the

1440
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:00,000
overhead um on Google Earth or whatever

1441
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,079
it was from. But from the car that's

1442
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,119
parked in this side driveway to the

1443
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:06,960
wetland, it's like you know 15 20 feet

1444
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:09,200
to the edge of it. I don't know how

1445
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,760
accurate Mass Mapper is, but it seems

1446
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,920
like it's relatively. So, I think it's a

1447
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,599
lot closer than,

1448
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,520
you know, what meets the eye because it

1449
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:20,400
definitely comes into the boundary of

1450
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:22,559
the property quite far, at least on that

1451
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,799
right hand side

1452
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:27,680
looking at the house.

1453
01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:31,760
» Yeah, that that view would be from 2025.

1454
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:34,799
It's definitely close. I would say 30

1455
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:36,160
just a rough estimate 30 feet from the

1456
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:36,960
closest point of the work to the

1457
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,200
wetland.

1458
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,480
» Yeah.

1459
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:43,200
» And then it's sort of a slope to as it

1460
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:45,039
goes towards the wetland. So that's most

1461
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,079
of why I say notice of intent with how

1462
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:49,680
close it is and then just the risk of

1463
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:52,680
exposed dirt running off towards the

1464
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,680
wetland.

1465
01:05:55,119 --> 01:06:01,039
That way we could get erosion controls

1466
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:05,799
down and then make sure things are being

1467
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:05,799
monitored and managed as it goes along.

1468
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:19,440
I agree with that. Um I understand

1469
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:21,359
Janelle, you you weren't aware. Um

1470
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,520
and we definitely want to get you guys

1471
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:28,720
right on track, but we have or back on

1472
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:30,880
track. Um but we do have to follow um

1473
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,400
sort of what the wetlands protection act

1474
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:37,000
prescribes.

1475
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:37,000
Um it you know looking at

1476
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:42,559
the gist map it definitely to me seemed

1477
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,960
like a lot of work um pretty close to

1478
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:48,720
the wetland. Um

1479
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:51,599
and we are seeing actually

1480
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:54,480
with other properties that the um aerial

1481
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:56,480
views are not I don't know when they

1482
01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:00,319
were done at least over 10 years ago

1483
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:03,599
right Ethan or 15 years um some of those

1484
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:06,559
um but we're seeing you know sometimes

1485
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:08,480
the distances can be really different in

1486
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:11,599
person and so you you really do want the

1487
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:13,920
comfort of a um wetlands delineation and

1488
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:16,559
to understand as a property owner owner.

1489
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:20,160
Um sort of what you're you know what

1490
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:23,680
you're dealing with um

1491
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:25,599
you know so uh you're working with full

1492
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:28,880
knowledge and and you know some of the

1493
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:30,319
constraints of your parcel. Does that

1494
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,839
sound okay?

1495
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:35,039
» Yeah. Yeah. I think right now I'm just

1496
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:37,520
trying to educate myself on what what it

1497
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:41,359
is or what that means. Um so it's been a

1498
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:43,839
lot of um learning process for me.

1499
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:45,760
Um Ethan, there's no um history of a

1500
01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:48,799
notice of intent or order of conditions

1501
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,319
or anything on this property.

1502
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:53,319
» Not that I see now.

1503
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:53,319
» Okay.

1504
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:03,119
All right. Um

1505
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:05,599
so in terms of um

1506
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:08,319
Ethan, I don't know. Um so the would the

1507
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:11,359
enforcement order say submit a notice of

1508
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:13,680
intent? Although I personally I I have

1509
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:16,640
not visited the property. I would be

1510
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:19,920
interested in doing a site visit. Would

1511
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:24,239
other members be?

1512
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:26,560
» I curious. My only thing now that I

1513
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:28,640
actually zoom out, I didn't really even

1514
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:31,440
look at the the zoomed out picture. I'm

1515
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,880
on Broadway Street, next street over.

1516
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:35,120
» I think I could I could walk there

1517
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,960
within two minutes. But I also don't

1518
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:39,040
know if that means I probably should

1519
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:41,679
refrain from voting on this if it's

1520
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:43,679
within my neighborhood. Not too sure

1521
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:45,839
what the dio is there.

1522
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:47,040
» You don't? No, you don't. He doesn't

1523
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:48,080
have to recuse himself. You know, I

1524
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,400
don't know about her.

1525
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,520
» Okay. All right. Thank you, Judy.

1526
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,279
» Yep.

1527
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,960
» But yes, I could if if a sidewalk's

1528
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,880
necessary, I could I could walk there

1529
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,480
anytime pretty much.

1530
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,719
Um,

1531
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:02,799
» Well, I I just think it would be I don't

1532
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:05,279
know if you'd want us Janelle just

1533
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:07,679
randomly walking behind knocking on.

1534
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:09,199
» I mean, as a Yeah, not just Hey,

1535
01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:11,520
» I'm happy for you guys to come over

1536
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:12,880
anytime. I just started back at school

1537
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,040
today, so I feel like I'm a little

1538
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:18,080
frazzled. Today was our first day, so

1539
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,839
maybe a week to give me

1540
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,480
» Get me settled with school, but yes,

1541
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:22,480
that's fine.

1542
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:24,480
» Um, well, what I would suggest is

1543
01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:26,880
scheduling is are the weekends good for

1544
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:30,719
you?

1545
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:32,239
are better or after like 4:00 p.m.

1546
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:35,359
ideal. Yeah,

1547
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:38,880
» I know some of us work so weekends are

1548
01:09:35,359 --> 01:09:41,759
better for us. Um

1549
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:43,839
and my suggestion is we would try to do

1550
01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:46,239
a site visit or you know we have to

1551
01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:51,440
break up in groups. Um we can do

1552
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:53,440
staggered on one day um or two days and

1553
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:55,600
it doesn't take very long. Um, but I

1554
01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:57,280
would suggest we do it on the week

1555
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,640
either this weekend or the following.

1556
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,920
Sounds like the following weekend would

1557
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:05,400
be better for you. Um,

1558
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,400
so that potentially

1559
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,679
we could come what would we do, Ethan?

1560
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:12,960
We could come back and sort of regroup

1561
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:14,719
on this matter at the next meeting

1562
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,760
and see if there's anything additional

1563
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:20,080
we want to recommend.

1564
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,679
Yes, I know they mentioned they were

1565
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:23,520
considering starting the notice of

1566
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:25,120
intent process. Um,

1567
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,400
» I think you could do that. You wouldn't

1568
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,400
have to

1569
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,120
» Hold up because that takes a while

1570
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:33,120
anyway.

1571
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,719
» But you could reconvene next meeting or

1572
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,520
the following meeting, whichever one

1573
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:38,520
works.

1574
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,520
» Okay.

1575
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,440
Um,

1576
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:45,280
» Yeah, I work on Saturdays, but I'm good

1577
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:47,920
on Sundays pretty much all day except

1578
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,520
for this upcoming Sunday, but the the

1579
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:52,080
next following one I'm I'm good with.

1580
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,719
But I do work until 5 on Saturdays. If

1581
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:56,159
it's after 5:30, I could do that, but I

1582
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:59,480
don't know how late people want to do it

1583
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:59,480
on a Saturday.

1584
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:05,679
» Date night. No, it's uh No. Uh, weekends

1585
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,080
are fine.

1586
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:10,719
Um,

1587
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:14,080
we should probably see um Janelle's

1588
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:18,000
availability. Ethan, can we have you or

1589
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:19,360
Judy coordinate some times

1590
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,120
» For an internal?

1591
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,960
» Sounds like next week.

1592
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,719
» Do you have some times now you want to

1593
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:27,760
suggest or since we're face to face?

1594
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:32,960
Okay. I think we typically you work true

1595
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:35,520
on Saturday, so maybe um Sunday 9:30 or

1596
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:37,360
10:00 a.m. Is that doable?

1597
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,480
» That's great with me, but up to

1598
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,120
everybody else.

1599
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:43,120
» I'm I'm in the same boat. I mostly work

1600
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:44,480
Sundays and I mean Saturdays and then

1601
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,480
I'm off Sundays. So,

1602
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:47,480
» Okay.

1603
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:55,040
Does that work for you, Barbara, or

1604
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:57,280
would you rather go doing

1605
01:11:55,040 --> 01:12:00,000
Well, Sunday is the day that my

1606
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,719
granddaughter plays her soccer matches.

1607
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,320
Oh,

1608
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:03,920
» It's usually around 10 o'clock in the

1609
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,239
morning, but I don't know that for a

1610
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:08,239
fact. So, I would have to check on the

1611
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:09,199
schedule and let you know about a Sunday

1612
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:09,520
morning.

1613
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:11,920
» Okay.

1614
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:14,719
» Otherwise, I'm available any other time.

1615
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:17,120
Well, that's not true. Um, other soccer

1616
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:19,840
games on Saturdays, but no one seems to

1617
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:21,600
want to go on a Saturday. So, um, I can

1618
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:25,040
go any other day of the week, but you

1619
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:25,040
all can't.

1620
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:28,719
Um, I think the time is going to change

1621
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,199
soon, so it might get harder. [laughter]

1622
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:33,280
We be going with flashlights.

1623
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:37,040
Um,

1624
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:39,280
why don't we um So, does Sunday 9:30

1625
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:42,800
work? And we'll probably do another

1626
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:44,640
session for Barbara and whoever. Miss

1627
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:46,640
Yeah.

1628
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,000
Misses it. Is that okay, Janelle?

1629
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,360
» Um, yeah. Are you talking about this

1630
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,600
Sunday?

1631
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:53,360
» Um, I was thinking you needed this

1632
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,000
weekend to recover. So, the following

1633
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,960
Sunday.

1634
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,719
» Um, so you're looking I'm looking at

1635
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,520
September 13th.

1636
01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:00,800
» 13th.

1637
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,040
» Yeah. Yeah.

1638
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:06,960
» Okay. Yeah, that should be fine. Yes.

1639
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:09,360
» Okay. So, we'll put that on and if um

1640
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:11,040
some members can't attend, we'll have

1641
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:13,840
Ethan reach out to you to just do

1642
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:17,520
another small slot for people who want

1643
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:21,440
to visit. Okay. Thank you both for

1644
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:23,440
attending and um you know we will help

1645
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:25,120
you get things back on track.

1646
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:28,120
» Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it.

1647
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,120
» Okay,

1648
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:35,560
» Judy, is there anything formal I am

1649
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:35,560
missing for this matter?

1650
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:38,480
» No, no,

1651
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:42,199
» It's not a public hearing. Okay,

1652
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:42,199
perfect. Thank you.

1653
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:49,920
» Okay. Um

1654
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:53,960
we can move on to other business. Um

1655
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,960
wetland bylaw discussion.

1656
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:00,080
Uh,

1657
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:03,199
this is going to be I don't want to say

1658
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:06,320
challenging because um Jennifer and Paul

1659
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:09,920
aren't here and I know Jennifer sent

1660
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:12,960
some things for us to consider

1661
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:15,440
uh today, but I have not had a chance to

1662
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:19,920
look through them.

1663
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:23,440
Um, I can tell you about my presentation

1664
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,239
to FLQ if you guys want to hear how that

1665
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,280
went.

1666
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:29,360
» Sure.

1667
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:30,960
» Um, I think it was wellreceived.

1668
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:34,239
Um,

1669
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:37,280
they had a lot of questions

1670
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:38,880
um, you know, specific to certain

1671
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:42,480
projects.

1672
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:46,159
um very focused on, you know, impacts to

1673
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:47,600
late quantit and ensuring

1674
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:51,840
um you know, just understanding the

1675
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:53,360
bylaw better, but also understanding

1676
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:55,520
um

1677
01:14:53,360 --> 01:15:00,000
you know, what protections could be in

1678
01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:02,239
place for Lake Q should, you know, a big

1679
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,280
developer come in, you know, and take

1680
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:09,360
over some of the office parks or what

1681
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:14,000
have you. Um, so I think that that would

1682
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:15,600
be probably helpful for us to to mull.

1683
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:20,320
Um,

1684
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:23,600
I'm trying to think what else. I think

1685
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:26,159
very engaged on a subject. Um there were

1686
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:28,640
a lot of um

1687
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:30,640
you know number of people who were you

1688
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:33,440
know understood the concept of buffers

1689
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:36,480
and how it's important to protect and

1690
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:38,640
how it would enhance some of the

1691
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:42,719
mitigate some of the runoff and things

1692
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:45,040
and help improve lake health. Um but

1693
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:48,800
overall good.

1694
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:52,480
Um I did introduce some new slides that

1695
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:58,520
were um more on why now like what's the

1696
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:58,520
urgency and trying to um

1697
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:06,320
put an economic value on conservation.

1698
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:09,280
Um, so I will share those with you to,

1699
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:10,800
you know, see if if the points are

1700
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:13,679
strong enough or if we can make them

1701
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:17,840
stronger or, you know, if you find a

1702
01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:19,679
better um, you know, a better stat or

1703
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,280
something that would be phenomenally

1704
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:23,360
helpful.

1705
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:27,440
Um,

1706
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:29,040
I know Ethan circulated,

1707
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:33,360
sorry, do you guys have any questions? I

1708
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:33,360
don't want to keep yammering.

1709
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:40,640
you attended a regular meeting that they

1710
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:43,199
have or they have a special meeting for

1711
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:45,199
this presentation or how did that work?

1712
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:46,560
» It was just a halfhour meeting to their

1713
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:48,239
board of directors.

1714
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:50,719
» Oh, to the board. Okay.

1715
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:52,080
» Yeah. So,

1716
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:53,600
you know, it wasn't the entire

1717
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,080
organization.

1718
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:59,600
Um but they did ask about you know

1719
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:02,239
things like data centers and you know

1720
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:04,480
housing and you know I think people are

1721
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:08,840
generally aware there's increased

1722
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:08,840
pressures to develop

1723
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:15,120
you know undeveloped land.

1724
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:17,440
Um and so you know developing in a way

1725
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:21,440
that's responsible

1726
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:23,440
but also protects important resources.

1727
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:27,520
Um,

1728
01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:32,840
I know Ethan sent a FAQ around. Did we

1729
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:32,840
want to look at that briefly?

1730
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:39,040
» We could look at it now or if you wanted

1731
01:17:37,199 --> 01:17:41,920
to just work on it in the next couple

1732
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,520
weeks. Either option. I had just left a

1733
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,040
few blank that might be better suited

1734
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,400
for you all to answer

1735
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:48,239
» And then you can always add more

1736
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:50,880
questions to it um from these

1737
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:53,840
presentations. I think to be honest we

1738
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:59,280
don't have a couple of weeks um left. I

1739
01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:03,360
I think my understanding is the warrant

1740
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:06,480
article I'll have to look this up.

1741
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:10,800
Um I think the window is going to close

1742
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:14,719
in early October to refer

1743
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:18,080
articles to town meeting.

1744
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:19,440
Um I did find out that exact date. I

1745
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:25,360
just don't have it at the top of my

1746
01:18:19,440 --> 01:18:29,280
head. So, pretty much this month is

1747
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:31,440
getting things wrapped up and um yeah,

1748
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:35,679
we we

1749
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:37,679
there's no more delays. Um

1750
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:42,719
» Well, I thought Ethan, you did a good

1751
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:46,960
job. Um because as a newbie here um

1752
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:48,719
I always learning and I always pick up a

1753
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:51,360
little fact here or there and I was able

1754
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:54,480
to pick up a lot here. So as far as

1755
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:58,320
playing to the average citizen in

1756
01:18:54,480 --> 01:19:01,920
Wakefield. Um I probably am a good

1757
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:04,159
audience. So I think you did a good job.

1758
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:06,640
And I'm not quite sure what to add but

1759
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:09,440
that's just showing my ignorance in

1760
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:13,480
general. But I I thought it read very

1761
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:13,480
well and was very clear.

1762
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:18,800
» Yeah, I tried to keep it specific to the

1763
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:21,760
bylaw. I think you could do an FAQ about

1764
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,520
the WPA in general and that would be way

1765
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:25,840
too long, but you know, keeping it

1766
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:28,800
specific to the bylaw itself and

1767
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:32,400
questions that come up um soon or

1768
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:34,480
recently, too. I just had um those last

1769
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:37,280
couple answers. I didn't quite have the

1770
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:40,239
answers myself to those. um just

1771
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,840
brainstorming some extra questions that

1772
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:45,040
could maybe add to or that other

1773
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:48,000
residents might also have.

1774
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,880
» Yeah, I think at least like uh the the

1775
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,199
second [clears throat] qu or the first

1776
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,960
question I should say that's left blank.

1777
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:55,199
Why is Wakefield considering

1778
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,520
» The wetlands bylaw? I mean this is just

1779
01:19:55,199 --> 01:20:00,159
that classic talking point of we're one

1780
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:03,920
of the only towns around here at least

1781
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:05,760
» Doesn't have one. Um and you know having

1782
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:09,040
that second bullet point of what is the

1783
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,560
goal of that is just you know further

1784
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,880
cementing

1785
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:16,000
um you know a slightly more hypersp

1786
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:18,239
specific to our general area in town you

1787
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,640
know um that has maybe slightly

1788
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:22,880
different wetlands. They're smaller.

1789
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,840
they're not as big as maybe like Great

1790
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:27,679
Barington or something, you know, um and

1791
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:31,920
and protecting them, you know, within a

1792
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:34,880
certain maybe slightly closer, you know,

1793
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,560
uh buffer area or what have you. But

1794
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:40,080
yeah, um I'd say those are pretty good,

1795
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,679
you know, last points because it really

1796
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:44,480
gets to the meat and potatoes of why

1797
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:48,840
we're doing this and, you know, what

1798
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:48,840
what the reasoning is behind it.

1799
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:59,679
My only suggestion on those was to try

1800
01:20:54,320 --> 01:21:02,000
and um use uh colloquial language as

1801
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:03,920
much as you know because some of the

1802
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:05,360
things when we say resource area or

1803
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:09,040
whatever like people don't know what

1804
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,320
that means like you

1805
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,760
um

1806
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,679
» Like more layman's terms

1807
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:17,120
» Layman's thank you thank you that's a

1808
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:18,719
good way to put it um and we

1809
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,880
» Which makes sense Yeah.

1810
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:23,880
» Ask me five years ago. I don't I have no

1811
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,880
idea.

1812
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,159
» Looking for my

1813
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:37,040
just looking at the points I raised. Um,

1814
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:40,239
you know, I I think one of the things I

1815
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:42,480
was thinking about was why it's so

1816
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:45,280
important to pass it now is there's so

1817
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:48,480
much happening at the state level

1818
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:51,679
um that could impact

1819
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:55,360
the regulations we have today. And so

1820
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:59,199
it's important to kind of

1821
01:21:55,360 --> 01:22:04,080
set, you know, set a bar for how we want

1822
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:06,400
to have have things turn out. Um I would

1823
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:10,960
say the biggest question I've been

1824
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:14,400
getting to these are um about whether a

1825
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:16,880
particular project would have you know

1826
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:19,679
or that a this particular project or

1827
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:23,280
that particular project would have

1828
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:24,800
happened if we had had this bylaw in

1829
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:27,280
place.

1830
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:30,480
Um, and so I think it's, you know,

1831
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:33,520
something we probably need to work

1832
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:35,840
through as a smaller group just thinking

1833
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:40,239
how we address those scenarios cuz that

1834
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:41,682
can get a little thorny sometimes.

1835
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:43,199
» Well, when you mention there's

1836
01:22:41,682 --> 01:22:45,920
[clears throat] so much going on with

1837
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:47,440
the state, that begs the question,

1838
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:50,800
what's going on with the state? Why

1839
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:52,480
should we be worried about the state?

1840
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,600
Why should we have to protect ourselves

1841
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:57,920
from changes at the state level? Because

1842
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:01,040
they don't know what the state level

1843
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:02,719
changes or interests are.

1844
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:05,600
» I mean, I I think that opens a whole

1845
01:23:02,719 --> 01:23:08,480
another question. What do you mean? I I

1846
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:12,560
think just I think Drew's response is

1847
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:14,480
keeping it simple. It's it's local.

1848
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,480
It's, you know, we have local knowledge.

1849
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:19,520
We have local issues

1850
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:22,480
» That are going to um set us up for

1851
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:26,239
success and all the future development

1852
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:28,320
and whatever else that other towns and

1853
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:30,807
cities have put together already. We're

1854
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,760
just a little late to the party.

1855
01:23:30,807 --> 01:23:32,159
[clears throat]

1856
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,960
» Yeah.

1857
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:39,280
» Yeah. Yeah. I I agree. I think keeping

1858
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:43,199
the focus on on Wakefield is is really

1859
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:46,080
the move. I I kind of and and

1860
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:47,760
as I've been talking to it, I've kind of

1861
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:52,239
talking to it, talking to people about

1862
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:54,800
it. Uh I've kind of come to this thing

1863
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:57,280
of like, okay, well,

1864
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:59,760
what do we have in Wakefield? Like every

1865
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:03,679
every location has its natural

1866
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:05,280
resources. Canada has its forests. Um

1867
01:24:03,679 --> 01:24:08,320
you know, places in the Middle East have

1868
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:10,880
their oil. Um, every every country has

1869
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,760
like its like big natural resource that

1870
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:16,400
like makes it, you know, unique or

1871
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:19,280
whatever. And you know, we we're big on

1872
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:23,360
conservation here in in the US. At least

1873
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:27,120
we're the point. Um, and you know, what

1874
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:29,920
does Wakefield have? Wetlands. I mean,

1875
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:32,480
the entire town is these little

1876
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:35,679
wetlands. And we have a giant lake,

1877
01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:37,280
famous lake. Everybody loves Lake Hugh.

1878
01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:40,560
That's what we have here in Wfield.

1879
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:42,480
People come here to walk our forests,

1880
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:46,080
our wetland areas, to walk around Lake

1881
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:49,040
Hugh. Um, and to what you said, Barbara,

1882
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:52,159
like we're the ones who should be

1883
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:55,199
crafting those more specific laws like

1884
01:24:52,159 --> 01:24:58,960
around our greatest resource because we

1885
01:24:55,199 --> 01:25:01,520
live here. We know what's what's best

1886
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:05,199
for us as a town, how to manage our own

1887
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:08,880
resources. So that's kind of my approach

1888
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:11,040
or what my approach has been.

1889
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,880
» Yeah.

1890
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:16,080
» Don't you think there also needs to be a

1891
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:18,159
balance um especially with the push for

1892
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:19,840
more housing

1893
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:22,239
because that's a big issue with the

1894
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,840
state. It's a big initiative um with

1895
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:25,760
what's going on with the Wakefield

1896
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,679
planning department.

1897
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:30,880
Um, so I think there needs to be a

1898
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:33,280
balance, not just

1899
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,199
a balanced focus, not just on the

1900
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:38,159
wetlands itself, but how it's going to

1901
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:40,639
impact this push for more housing and

1902
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:43,120
how it could impact someone who wants to

1903
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:44,719
put an addition on or wants to build an

1904
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:47,440
ADU

1905
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:49,600
where there is a push from the state for

1906
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:52,000
more housing.

1907
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,960
And a lot of grants are incentive based

1908
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:58,320
based on that. And a lot of the

1909
01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:01,040
directives in town are based on more

1910
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:03,520
housing. So just you need to create a

1911
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:05,440
balanced discussion about that as well.

1912
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:08,960
How will that affect that?

1913
01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:12,080
» Is are you saying Judy a balanced

1914
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:15,120
discussion or are there things about the

1915
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:16,239
draft bylaw you think should be changed?

1916
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:19,760
» Well, I think there needs to be

1917
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:22,080
discussion about on a granular level. If

1918
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:25,120
I have a house that was built before the

1919
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:26,800
regulations that's small, that's closer

1920
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:29,520
to the wetlands than it may have been

1921
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,960
approved now, are you saying I won't be

1922
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,880
able to build an addition or I won't be

1923
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,280
able to have an ADU?

1924
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:40,639
That's going to be a big point of

1925
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:44,000
contention. Well, I think um the way

1926
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:47,840
I've been thinking about it is

1927
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:52,480
so far we have not had a project

1928
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:55,840
come before us where the bylaw

1929
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:58,400
as we've written it today would change

1930
01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:00,239
the outcome for

1931
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,320
a homeowner.

1932
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:05,440
um if they wanted if they had a small

1933
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:10,639
lot, we still would not want them to put

1934
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:13,360
an ADU within 25 ft of the wetland.

1935
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:14,080
Um you know, because of flooding

1936
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:14,719
concerns,

1937
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,960
» Right?

1938
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:19,120
» Um but that wouldn't change, you know,

1939
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:21,040
but of course

1940
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,800
we we would

1941
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,400
» Right. But I think developments like um

1942
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,760
the one on Salem Street, there could be

1943
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:30,719
more like that that are in little

1944
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:32,159
pockets. How is that going to affect

1945
01:27:30,719 --> 01:27:35,280
the way it's viewed. I think you just

1946
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:36,960
have to be careful not to present it in

1947
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:39,199
a way that people feel like you're

1948
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:40,000
limiting their property rights because

1949
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:41,600
that's

1950
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,360
» That's not going to

1951
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:47,040
» Well, so it's interesting with like the

1952
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:49,520
Salem Street one based on this proposed

1953
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:53,040
bylaw.

1954
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:54,239
I'm not sure it would have changed it.

1955
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:56,560
Although I

1956
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:59,679
» Right. you have different um interests

1957
01:27:56,560 --> 01:28:01,679
that you've added wildlife habitat, rare

1958
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:04,480
species habitat that really hasn't

1959
01:28:01,679 --> 01:28:07,040
especially rare species hasn't been um

1960
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:10,560
identified how that will work if it's

1961
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:13,120
not in a designated habitat.

1962
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:15,600
» If there is a species found outside a

1963
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:19,920
designated habitat, will that then

1964
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:21,440
require a wetland um habitat evaluation?

1965
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:24,159
It's things like that. That's kind of

1966
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:27,280
the minutia that would really be a

1967
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:29,600
strong impact on people.

1968
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:33,199
The presumptive nature of things, vernal

1969
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:35,440
pools, um things like that I think just

1970
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:38,000
concern people. Like does this mean it's

1971
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:40,880
going to add another $5,000 to my

1972
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:44,719
project if I have to have a review for a

1973
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:46,960
ver pool or for a wildlife habitat?

1974
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:49,280
» I think it's mostly going to impact

1975
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,800
undeveloped properties.

1976
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:54,080
» Right. No, I agree.

1977
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:55,840
» Yeah. Um but not your average homeowner.

1978
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,656
So,

1979
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,920
» But

1980
01:28:57,656 --> 01:29:04,080
[clears throat] I hope that would be the

1981
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:08,159
way, but if it's a presumptive um value

1982
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:10,800
in the bylaw, you could say, well, this

1983
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:13,440
is a a ponding area that could be a

1984
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,120
vernal pool. Jennifer has said that um

1985
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:17,120
that that was the information she had.

1986
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,880
Any ponding area could potentially be a

1987
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:21,280
vernal pool.

1988
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:24,320
So depending on, you know, that's where

1989
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:26,320
it has to be able to weather different

1990
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:30,159
commissioners as well. Depending on the

1991
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:33,440
makeup, it could really affect strongly

1992
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:36,760
affect um

1993
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:36,760
land rights.

1994
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,560
» Do you have language you want to

1995
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:46,400
suggest?

1996
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:50,639
Well, I think just the presumptive

1997
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:54,159
nature of everything that concerns me

1998
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:56,239
because it's subjective.

1999
01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:58,080
It's based on what the commission at the

2000
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:01,199
time

2001
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:03,280
um feels. It's not, you know, the

2002
01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:06,080
exemptions are different. The vernal

2003
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:09,840
pool, for example, it I mean that could

2004
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:12,800
turn in so many different ways. it would

2005
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:15,920
create a um

2006
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:18,159
a time lag if you're only going to allow

2007
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:20,000
the verification of a vermal pool in the

2008
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:23,199
springtime.

2009
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,400
It's things like that that can crush a

2010
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:27,360
project.

2011
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:30,320
» I think we Oh, go on. No, I was just

2012
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:33,360
going to say if you want support from

2013
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:34,960
the town and from the initiatives that

2014
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,719
are in front of them that people are

2015
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:39,360
talking about which is housing things

2016
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:41,120
like that then I think they need this

2017
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:43,679
needs to be a view on that of how it

2018
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:47,560
could be perceived by different

2019
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:47,560
commissions in the future.

2020
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:56,560
Um, I think the vernal pools

2021
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:58,400
likely and known are pretty much, you

2022
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,719
know, we know where they are. They've

2023
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:05,159
been pretty well

2024
01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:05,159
marked. Um,

2025
01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:10,480
but yeah, I think this is going to be um

2026
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:12,480
a tough one. I think it's about the

2027
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:15,600
future of Wakefield and do does

2028
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:20,239
Wakefield want to become Cambridge or

2029
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:22,800
does Wakefield want to be more like

2030
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:25,520
a Winchester or I I don't want to say

2031
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,880
Lynfield because they don't

2032
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:29,679
» But that's where I think bargaining

2033
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:31,360
comes in trying to strike a happy

2034
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:34,320
medium. Mhm.

2035
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:36,320
» I mean, if you take um a BBW for

2036
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:39,199
instance with the 25 foot setback, if

2037
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:42,639
the setback is totally denuted of

2038
01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:46,159
vegetation and is providing no value,

2039
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:49,199
would you allow um a right up to the 25

2040
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:52,719
foot if they were going to have a wildly

2041
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:54,239
enhanced buffer of native vegetation? I

2042
01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:56,000
mean, it's those trade-offs that I think

2043
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:58,400
are important to discuss.

2044
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,840
» I think we would consider that,

2045
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,440
» Right? But it's things like this that

2046
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,760
need to come out because people see the

2047
01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:06,159
25 foot setback and say I won't be able

2048
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:09,440
to do anything. But I think it's a case

2049
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:11,440
by case basis based on the condition of

2050
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:12,239
what you're looking at at that time.

2051
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:15,440
» Right?

2052
01:32:12,239 --> 01:32:18,000
» Not and that I that needs to come out

2053
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:20,239
more. If there's no value to it today,

2054
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:22,639
if you're increasing it, then that buys

2055
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:24,080
you good faith in another area.

2056
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:25,040
» Correct. It's about all about the

2057
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:28,480
bargaining.

2058
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:32,239
» Yeah. I I think um

2059
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:34,080
yeah, I think that part is

2060
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:36,800
the hardest because you only get at that

2061
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,440
on these one-on-one conversations,

2062
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,360
» Right?

2063
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:43,840
» Um but

2064
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,920
um it's it's interesting some some of

2065
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:48,560
the vibe I the feedback I've been

2066
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:51,199
getting is that, you know, this may not

2067
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:53,600
be protective enough. Um

2068
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:55,440
» But I think people

2069
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:58,159
I think it's

2070
01:32:55,440 --> 01:33:00,320
From my experience and people I've

2071
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:02,719
talked to over the years,

2072
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:04,159
» If you don't live

2073
01:33:02,719 --> 01:33:06,159
in an area that's going to be affected

2074
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:09,360
by it, it's the greatest thing. I mean,

2075
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:09,679
I'm all for wetland preservation,

2076
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,000
» Right?

2077
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:14,960
» But when you're directly impacted by it,

2078
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,320
it's a totally different story.

2079
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:21,120
And I think that's where there needs to

2080
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:23,280
be a balance and it needs to be um

2081
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:26,080
elaborated on. And I don't think it has

2082
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:28,719
in this process.

2083
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:30,480
» I'm looking at the FAQ I'm looking at

2084
01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:32,480
the FAQs

2085
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:35,040
and [clears throat] under the sorry

2086
01:33:32,480 --> 01:33:38,080
paragraph it says what can I do within a

2087
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:40,000
25- ft no disturb zone. On the last

2088
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:43,040
sentence says determination will be made

2089
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:46,639
on a case-byase basis. So should we add

2090
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:50,560
language to that that makes it more open

2091
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:53,120
um to negotiation if you will? I don't

2092
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:56,719
know what the better term is. Um I don't

2093
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:58,800
think that's the right word. Um

2094
01:33:56,719 --> 01:34:00,400
open to discussion I guess. Um

2095
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,840
consideration

2096
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:05,679
um is a good word. Um so would you make

2097
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:09,440
more of that Judy? Would you would you

2098
01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:12,080
say more to that that paragraph? Well, I

2099
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:15,360
think you could have expand it to say it

2100
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:19,120
will the status of the functional value

2101
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:21,199
will be reviewed so that people know if

2102
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:24,960
it's I mean it could be all invasives,

2103
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:27,040
it could be nothing in the buffer.

2104
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:29,600
So that's your starting point. You're

2105
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:31,120
working in a a degraded buffer that's

2106
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:33,679
providing no value,

2107
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:35,920
» Right?

2108
01:34:33,679 --> 01:34:37,920
» Yeah. Yeah. And also the if you if you

2109
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:40,239
have the 25 foot buffer,

2110
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:43,600
» My question would be what would happen

2111
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:45,679
in foot 26 and 27

2112
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:47,360
» Would it doesn't seem like equipment

2113
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:50,880
would be allowed I mean if you're

2114
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:53,040
allowed to build up to the 25 foot if

2115
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,480
you don't have equipment in there it

2116
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,320
looks like the buffer is going to be a

2117
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:59,920
lot wider. there'll be the buffer, the

2118
01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:04,600
no disturb, but then to me it reads that

2119
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:04,600
there'd be another substantial buffer.

2120
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:13,360
» The way I was describing it was the 25

2121
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:16,000
foot applied to your undisturbed like

2122
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:18,080
lot essentially because if you have lawn

2123
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,239
that's going into the 25 foot buffer

2124
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:22,000
that's been grandfathered.

2125
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:24,239
If you had a shed that was built years

2126
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,639
ago, you know, that's grandfathered,

2127
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:29,960
» Right? But it's not grandfathered to put

2128
01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:29,960
a new structure.

2129
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:34,800
» No, we'd want you further away unless

2130
01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:36,880
that's your only option,

2131
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:39,040
» Right? But this is what I'm saying.

2132
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,120
» But but if it's degraded, then we could

2133
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,600
say, "Oh, you have one already." Yes.

2134
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:46,080
you know, um,

2135
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:49,280
» But if you have the 25 foot not disturb

2136
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:51,199
and someone wants to put something at 30

2137
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:53,360
feet,

2138
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:54,960
it to me it doesn't seem like that would

2139
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:57,440
be something that will be permittable

2140
01:35:54,960 --> 01:36:00,960
for the most part under the bylaw

2141
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:02,560
» Because because of heavy equipment.

2142
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,920
Are you going to let equipment in the I

2143
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,679
mean it

2144
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:08,159
» To me reads it's going to be a much

2145
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:12,000
wider buffer than people think it is.

2146
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:15,280
» 25 ft. I think it really depends on how

2147
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:18,000
big the parcel is. If you've got a 2

2148
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:20,320
acre parcel, you don't have to clear up

2149
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:22,080
to the 25 ft,

2150
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:24,880
» Right? But there aren't I mean there

2151
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:26,639
really aren't many.

2152
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,760
The biggest impact I see is going to

2153
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:29,440
happen is on the single family

2154
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,120
homeowner.

2155
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:33,199
» They go ahead.

2156
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,880
» The larger projects have more funding

2157
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:36,960
behind it. They have more opportunity

2158
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,800
for mitigation, things like that. And

2159
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,320
historically, that's where the impact

2160
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:45,119
has been because that's the most number

2161
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:46,560
of projects, the smaller projects.

2162
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:48,880
» I actually don't think it's going to

2163
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:51,119
impact the single family homeowner any

2164
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:53,679
different than the Wetlands Protection

2165
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:56,239
Act today because the lots are already

2166
01:36:53,679 --> 01:36:59,040
small and they're already they have

2167
01:36:56,239 --> 01:37:02,960
existing homes. I think the question we

2168
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:05,040
need to think about is if they

2169
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:09,280
tear down and rebuild and want to make

2170
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:10,560
something a lot bigger, you know, how

2171
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,719
» Right? But even if they wanted to make

2172
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:15,199
an addition, I mean, you have

2173
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:18,400
jurisdiction over 100 ft. So if you had

2174
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:20,560
the 25 foot no disturb, you could easily

2175
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:23,360
say, well, we want another 30t before

2176
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:26,520
you can even start work.

2177
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,520
So then

2178
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:32,159
» You don't think you you think you would

2179
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:34,639
allow someone to build up to the 27 feet

2180
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:36,560
from the wetland?

2181
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:37,760
» It depends on their lot. It's case by

2182
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:40,400
case basis,

2183
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:42,960
» Right? But I I don't see I don't see

2184
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:45,679
that happening based on the review of

2185
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:48,800
how things go. It seems like it's

2186
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:50,639
heading towards a wish for a greater

2187
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:54,080
setback,

2188
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:54,080
a greater buffer.

2189
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,480
I I think that I

2190
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:06,080
you know I think we recognize

2191
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:08,400
limitations of the small lots and

2192
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:12,679
you know what people are working with

2193
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:12,679
and um you know

2194
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:18,480
I don't see that as an issue.

2195
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:21,800
» Well even for a fence you'd need a

2196
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:21,800
permit now.

2197
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:29,760
And like the discussion tonight,

2198
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:33,520
there are some set wildlife corridors,

2199
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:36,400
but is it going to be prohibitive

2200
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:39,840
that you won't want a fence in a yard

2201
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:42,840
because it might impede wildlife

2202
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:42,840
migration?

2203
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:50,320
» Well, we didn't force it. They were they

2204
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:53,040
were open to it and I mean that was

2205
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:54,080
that I mean that wetland was uphill so

2206
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:55,199
that was there's not going to be an

2207
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,800
impact there anyways.

2208
01:38:55,199 --> 01:38:58,800
» Yeah.

2209
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:01,920
» But it's little things like that that if

2210
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:03,520
someone can't have a fence,

2211
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,239
this is what I'm talking about where the

2212
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,920
impact comes in.

2213
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:08,639
» But we're not saying somebody can't have

2214
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:12,320
a fence.

2215
01:39:08,639 --> 01:39:14,239
» You're not saying it's prohibited,

2216
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:16,719
but before it it really wouldn't have

2217
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:20,639
been. I mean, it's little things like

2218
01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:22,560
that that chip away at people's

2219
01:39:20,639 --> 01:39:24,000
property rights, you know, that get

2220
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,679
under people's skin. It's the small

2221
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:27,280
things

2222
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:28,800
that I think would turn people.

2223
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:32,159
» This is just boiling down to whether or

2224
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:33,040
not people would support or deny this.

2225
01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:34,080
» Yes.

2226
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:36,080
» Yes.

2227
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:38,639
» Not whether or not it's it's right or

2228
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,119
not under the eyes of

2229
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:40,239
» Right

2230
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,600
» Conservation.

2231
01:39:40,239 --> 01:39:44,639
» Right. But I think you have to have

2232
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:48,880
concrete reasons for I mean there are

2233
01:39:44,639 --> 01:39:51,520
mapped wildlife carters in town.

2234
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:54,520
it be great if we share them on our

2235
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,520
website.

2236
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:59,719
» Elaine has them. Go ahead.

2237
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:06,880
» I think some of the challenges we don't

2238
01:40:03,199 --> 01:40:10,239
know how exactly each project will end

2239
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:12,080
up until it is a permit. So, while you

2240
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:14,639
might be able to say this will be

2241
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:16,400
reviewed the same as the WPA or or it

2242
01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:19,119
won't be any different. We just a

2243
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:21,679
homeowner won't know that until they

2244
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:23,840
receive that exact decision. So, it just

2245
01:40:21,679 --> 01:40:27,440
puts a lot of

2246
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:29,600
the um a lot of the opinion into the

2247
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:33,920
commission and there's not really an

2248
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:36,080
exact limit on what they can require of

2249
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:39,040
a homeowner. They they just want to be

2250
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:42,400
sure that nothing will change. So, you

2251
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:45,520
can say it'll be the same, but someone

2252
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:47,199
voting for it isn't going to know who's

2253
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,400
going to be on the commission in 20

2254
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:51,600
years from now, for example.

2255
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:53,199
» But it's the way with um anything. I

2256
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,360
mean,

2257
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:58,000
even the D,

2258
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:59,360
you know, um,

2259
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,800
» Who's to say the

2260
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:02,159
» Who's to say the Declaration of

2261
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:04,320
Independence was written correctly

2262
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:04,639
because it's written by guys has allowed

2263
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:07,679
something

2264
01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:08,080
» In the 1600s, you know? I don't

2265
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:10,320
» Yeah.

2266
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:12,400
» Well, I Yeah, I think I think it's it's

2267
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:13,440
just it's just the question of how do we

2268
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,760
talk about this?

2269
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:17,840
» Yep. like just being strategic about how

2270
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:20,880
do we because people are going to have

2271
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:23,440
these questions and and you know bring

2272
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:26,960
them up. Um and it's going to be it's

2273
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:29,600
going to be what's happening here this

2274
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:31,280
back and forth which tends to actually

2275
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:33,440
just get people frustrated more than

2276
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:36,080
anything. I mean I saw it all the time

2277
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:37,840
when I was campaigning for town council.

2278
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:39,600
It's like the more you have to explain

2279
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,199
something the more people get

2280
01:41:39,600 --> 01:41:43,119
frustrated. Um

2281
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:44,719
» I think I think taking so long we're

2282
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:45,199
going to lose people.

2283
01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:47,679
» Yeah.

2284
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:49,360
» Yeah. At at this point I feel like it's

2285
01:41:47,679 --> 01:41:50,800
gonna no matter what we do is if we're

2286
01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,600
going to take longer and longer people

2287
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,880
are going to be like well I don't want

2288
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,880
to vote for this anymore. This there's

2289
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:56,560
way too many stipulations.

2290
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:59,800
I mean, at the at the end of the day, I

2291
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,800
think like

2292
01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:05,600
the the way that I would maybe approach

2293
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:08,000
it is just is to kind of take what you

2294
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:12,480
were saying, Eleanor, like like this is

2295
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:15,440
a this is a 25 foot buffer within the

2296
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:18,239
existing WPA

2297
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:21,199
buffer. It's not an extension

2298
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:23,760
of the buffer. It's just a it's just a

2299
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:27,840
like slightly more restrictive area

2300
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:29,600
within that existing buffer. And that

2301
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:32,400
will immediately allay people's fears

2302
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:35,840
about like oh they're expanding their

2303
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:37,199
their restrictions like outside of what

2304
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:37,679
already exists.

2305
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:40,320
» Yeah.

2306
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:44,320
» Um and then and then just to say like we

2307
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:46,480
also we we don't think that it will be

2308
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,551
» So impactful as to be like a huge burden

2309
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:47,600
on on people

2310
01:42:47,551 --> 01:42:50,239
» [clears throat]

2311
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:52,800
» Um because of that fact. Um, and then

2312
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:55,600
just to be like

2313
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:59,199
I mean personally

2314
01:42:55,600 --> 01:43:02,080
I can be like you guys know how pro

2315
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:04,159
housing I am and I don't I'm supporting

2316
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:06,400
this fully. I don't think it's going to

2317
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:07,679
you know just on an interpersonal level

2318
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,920
like if you if you know someone

2319
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:11,840
personally or like they know you and you

2320
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:13,760
know it's just like I wouldn't be

2321
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,920
supporting this like you know you know

2322
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:17,920
what my thoughts are and that kind of

2323
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:19,760
thing.

2324
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:23,679
Um,

2325
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:25,679
yeah. So, I think, yeah, I I think it's

2326
01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:27,679
just something we're going to have to

2327
01:43:25,679 --> 01:43:33,280
speak to and people are either going to

2328
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:35,520
be for it or not for it for reasons. Um

2329
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:38,000
but you know we do like the pressures

2330
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:40,159
that are on right now is the you know

2331
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:43,520
pressured for accelerated large scale

2332
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:46,080
housing or ADUs

2333
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:49,040
um accelerated permitting for solar and

2334
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:52,320
battery energy storage systems. So

2335
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:55,679
loosening up those restrictions

2336
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:58,800
um and that's where um those things will

2337
01:43:55,679 --> 01:44:00,639
probably happen in larger lots or closer

2338
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:03,639
to wetlands.

2339
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:03,639
Um,

2340
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:10,719
but any anyway, um, if Ethan or Judy, if

2341
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:12,239
you have any comments, you should

2342
01:44:10,719 --> 01:44:14,800
probably,

2343
01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:16,639
um, send them to us ahead of the next

2344
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:19,360
meeting.

2345
01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:22,000
Um, because we're going to have to kind

2346
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:24,080
of finalize

2347
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:27,080
edits.

2348
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:27,080
Um,

2349
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:34,320
and James and Drew and Barbara, if you

2350
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:37,119
guys want to take one last look through

2351
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:38,639
the materials

2352
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:42,679
um

2353
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:42,679
that Jennifer sent out,

2354
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:56,639
I think even um it probably would be a

2355
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:59,920
good idea to visit visit um

2356
01:44:56,639 --> 01:45:03,040
you know some of the larger projects

2357
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:05,119
around town to sort of see you know the

2358
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:10,040
before and after.

2359
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:10,040
Um, you know, I,

2360
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:21,119
you know, I think a bunch of residents

2361
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:24,560
visited the Vogue this past weekend. Um,

2362
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:26,480
and I don't see many wetlands along that

2363
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:29,480
road anymore.

2364
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:29,480
Um,

2365
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:37,560
so it's it's pretty pretty dramatic.

2366
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:37,560
Um,

2367
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:42,880
see if I had anything else that Ethan,

2368
01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:45,119
did Jennifer mention anything else? Like

2369
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:47,840
I said, I was

2370
01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:49,600
» I don't think I saw her email today.

2371
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:52,560
» Okay.

2372
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:55,920
Um,

2373
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:58,320
» But I can take a look um this week.

2374
01:45:55,920 --> 01:46:00,480
» Thank you so much. Um,

2375
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:02,000
» I think she basically wanted us to wait

2376
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:04,400
until she and Paul could be

2377
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:07,840
» Call back. Yeah. So, I don't think they

2378
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:08,639
expect anything much out of our evening

2379
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:11,040
tonight.

2380
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:12,560
» I I would say if you guys think of other

2381
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:15,199
FAQs,

2382
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:20,000
you know, that you're hearing

2383
01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:25,800
to send them to Ethan, Jennifer, myself,

2384
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:25,800
um, and we can take a stab at them.

2385
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:36,639
Um, Ethan, do you have any

2386
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:38,480
updates? Should we move on to any

2387
01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:42,600
updates? Or did you guys have anything

2388
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:42,600
else you wanted to say about the bylaw?

2389
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:50,239
» Just the flyer. I think I emailed

2390
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:51,920
Jennifer yesterday. Um, just getting the

2391
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:52,320
last edits on that flyer.

2392
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:54,320
» Okay.

2393
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:56,880
» So, I'll follow up tomorrow morning just

2394
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:59,040
to see if those are the last edits and

2395
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,000
can get a final um document to start to

2396
01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:02,880
use.

2397
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:05,880
Okay, that would be great.

2398
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,880
Um,

2399
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:15,280
and then I believe the plan um maybe

2400
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:18,000
Jennifer is going to the planning board

2401
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:20,320
next Tuesday to present to them.

2402
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:23,199
» I think the two of us are going to the

2403
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:25,440
planning board. And actually, I wanted

2404
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:27,440
to ask you and maybe you can find out

2405
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:31,280
from Marissa.

2406
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:34,400
We've talked about the 25 foot like they

2407
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:38,320
have a 25 foot policy. I think Jennifer

2408
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:40,400
and I were told that maybe

2409
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:42,560
you know when we presented to them over

2410
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:45,760
a year ago

2411
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:48,080
um I'm not sure if that's actually true

2412
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:49,760
or like what that is. So I'd be

2413
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:51,679
interested in

2414
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,520
» I don't think they have a I think they

2415
01:47:51,679 --> 01:47:55,119
try to follow what the commission does

2416
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,520
but I don't think they have a policy.

2417
01:47:55,119 --> 01:47:57,520
» Okay. Okay.

2418
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:59,920
» The open space bylaw has a 20 foot

2419
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:00,480
setback. So, it was not consistent.

2420
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:01,760
Anyways,

2421
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:04,159
» Say that again, Judy. The

2422
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,520
» The open space bylaw has a 20 foot

2423
01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:06,960
setback.

2424
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:09,119
» Open space bylaw.

2425
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:11,360
» Yeah.

2426
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:12,639
» What uh what does that mean exactly?

2427
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:16,320
Because

2428
01:48:12,639 --> 01:48:18,719
» It's like um cluster development,

2429
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:22,320
keeping closest uh houses closer in

2430
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:25,360
proximity and having an open space. It's

2431
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:28,360
not often um

2432
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:28,360
used.

2433
01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:33,280
» So, is that like um a policy only? And

2434
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:34,159
so,

2435
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:34,960
» It's a bylaw.

2436
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:36,800
» Oh, it's a bylaw.

2437
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:39,760
» It's in the bylaw. Yeah.

2438
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:41,840
» Oh, I'm not sure.

2439
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:43,360
Maybe I've seen that. I I guess I'm

2440
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:46,159
thinking of a development in my

2441
01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:49,840
neighborhood where the house is right

2442
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:51,679
next to the wetland, like maybe 10 feet.

2443
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:54,800
Um,

2444
01:48:51,679 --> 01:48:59,760
but then there's probably a 20ft

2445
01:48:54,800 --> 01:49:02,320
distance. Is it between homes or between

2446
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:04,960
» The homes are more densely packed?

2447
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:07,840
There's one on Main Street right by BB

2448
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:08,960
Cove. The large houses um carriage

2449
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:10,000
estates.

2450
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:13,040
» Okay.

2451
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:14,560
» They have a big um area in the middle.

2452
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:16,159
They have a circle and there's a grass

2453
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:18,560
area.

2454
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:19,840
It's so there's either attachment to

2455
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:22,719
other open space where you can have

2456
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:26,159
walking paths or like a common open

2457
01:49:22,719 --> 01:49:28,880
space area to maximize um the use of the

2458
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:30,639
land on the lot placing the houses

2459
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:32,400
closer together and keeping an open

2460
01:49:30,639 --> 01:49:35,760
space.

2461
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:37,520
» Okay. But that 20 foot thing is between

2462
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:39,199
it's not between houses. It's between

2463
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:40,320
» It's to the wetland. It's a step back to

2464
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:42,080
the wetland.

2465
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:43,119
» Oh, just 20 feet. Okay.

2466
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:46,719
» Yes.

2467
01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:49,520
» I didn't to the wetland. Okay. Yep.

2468
01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:51,760
» I didn't realize we had

2469
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:55,440
» Cluster cluster development has been

2470
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:57,520
very popular since the 80s and um it

2471
01:49:55,440 --> 01:50:00,000
been applied where I used to live in New

2472
01:49:57,520 --> 01:50:03,600
Jersey all the time and it was to

2473
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:06,880
maximize the green space to maintain a

2474
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:08,960
nice green area uh and cluster the homes

2475
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:12,320
usually around a culde-sac or a little

2476
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:14,266
circle as Judy said. um you know just a

2477
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:16,159
a short a short and minimized

2478
01:50:14,266 --> 01:50:18,080
[clears throat] the amount of um

2479
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:21,360
imperous coverage too because you just

2480
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:25,280
had a a drive-in and a circle and then

2481
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:28,400
little driveways. So um it was yeah it

2482
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:31,920
was a good solution to a lot of a lot of

2483
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:34,239
developer um situations and demanded by

2484
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:36,639
the public because of the green space

2485
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:38,560
keeping it green all the way around. I'm

2486
01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:41,920
sorry they didn't do that on Salem, but

2487
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:44,320
that's another story.

2488
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:46,000
Why? I guess that's Well, I that's

2489
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:48,400
something I'd want to understand. I

2490
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:52,920
guess when you see that I I thought

2491
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:52,920
there'd be something left over, not

2492
01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:59,760
cleared. Um,

2493
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:04,000
okay. Would you consider cluster the

2494
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:06,080
first project we looked at like the NOI

2495
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:08,719
where all the houses were around the

2496
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:10,639
pond?

2497
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:12,719
» No. Go ahead. No,

2498
01:51:10,639 --> 01:51:15,679
» I think it's more when you have one

2499
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:18,239
development like multiple houses

2500
01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:20,480
» Put the houses closer.

2501
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:23,280
» They put the houses closer together.

2502
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:25,600
That way you leave a a more productive

2503
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:26,639
barrier around them.

2504
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:28,000
» Okay.

2505
01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:30,880
» Think of like a think of like a

2506
01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:32,639
courtyard unit except instead of being

2507
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,320
connected, they're separate houses that

2508
01:51:32,639 --> 01:51:37,320
are just very close together.

2509
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:37,320
» Okay.

2510
01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:42,480
Um,

2511
01:51:40,639 --> 01:51:44,719
does anybody

2512
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:47,360
else have Oh, Ethan, we've been getting

2513
01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:52,360
a lot of emails. I guess we should go to

2514
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:52,360
other business or agent update.

2515
01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:59,440
» I don't have any updates for myself.

2516
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:06,719
» Okay.

2517
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:08,880
Um, you saw the request from um,

2518
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:12,800
oh goodness, now I have to pull up the

2519
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:17,400
mailbox. Um, someone requesting you to

2520
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:17,400
look at sizing for a deck.

2521
01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:22,800
» Um,

2522
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:25,360
for a deck maybe that came in today.

2523
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:28,360
» Okay. I think that was last week.

2524
01:52:25,360 --> 01:52:28,360
Um

2525
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:34,800
and then I had

2526
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:37,360
I guess I had a general question which

2527
01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:40,719
is how are we tracking

2528
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:44,159
um we have a number of enforcement

2529
01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:47,360
orders. Some of them predate

2530
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:49,760
me and maybe even Paul.

2531
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:54,320
How are we tracking them to make sure

2532
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:56,400
that they're kind of meeting their

2533
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:58,400
you know, the time frames that the

2534
01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:01,040
commission is putting in place and that

2535
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:03,199
we don't lose sight of them. Do do you

2536
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:05,119
guys have a tracker? And I would say

2537
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:08,119
that too for the certificates of

2538
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:08,119
compliance.

2539
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:13,520
» Yes, I sort of just have them all in the

2540
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:16,960
files and then anything recent or

2541
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:20,239
ongoing, I have um spreadsheets or lists

2542
01:53:16,960 --> 01:53:22,560
of like things to follow up on um

2543
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:24,719
between myself and Elaine. Um just

2544
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:25,440
keeping track of the status of them all.

2545
01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:26,838
So

2546
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:28,080
» Okay because I there have been

2547
01:53:26,838 --> 01:53:32,560
[clears throat] some we haven't heard

2548
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:34,800
updates at all u that have probably

2549
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:37,599
» You know be I follow up on them when I

2550
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:39,440
can but they tend to take some time.

2551
01:53:37,599 --> 01:53:42,239
» Yeah. No no no to close them down. I

2552
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:45,920
don't I don't know how we can help you

2553
01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:49,360
um expedite or or what's sort of if a

2554
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:52,000
deadline has come and gone like what's

2555
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:55,119
the next step?

2556
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:57,280
You said please remediate you know do

2557
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:59,840
this thing by the state and it doesn't

2558
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:04,080
happen. Are you

2559
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:06,000
um in contact with the person?

2560
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:08,159
Yep. I would follow up with them.

2561
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:10,880
Typically there they don't have dates on

2562
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:13,599
them typically, but just using my

2563
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:15,599
judgment to kind of move them along if I

2564
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:17,440
feel like it's been long enough.

2565
01:54:15,599 --> 01:54:20,400
» Oh, I thought we were supposed to have

2566
01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:24,040
dates on enforcement orders so that we

2567
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:24,040
can move them along.

2568
01:54:25,199 --> 01:54:30,159
» Um, sometimes they do, sometimes they

2569
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:32,639
just have steps, but

2570
01:54:30,159 --> 01:54:35,520
» It is good to have dates. You're right.

2571
01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:37,679
» Yeah. just it it would be satisfying I

2572
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:42,480
think for everybody to be able to put

2573
01:54:37,679 --> 01:54:48,520
some of them behind us. Anyway, um I

2574
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:48,520
don't have anything else at the moment.

2575
01:54:53,840 --> 01:55:01,119
Can I get an order to Sorry. Can I get a

2576
01:54:57,119 --> 01:55:04,639
um motion to adjurnn the meeting?

2577
01:55:01,119 --> 01:55:06,400
Yeah, I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

2578
01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:07,920
» Second.

2579
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:10,920
Can I get a second?

2580
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:10,920
» Second.

2581
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:16,560
» Um,

2582
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:20,320
I'm so tired. I'm forgetting to take

2583
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:21,119
attendance. Uh, James,

2584
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,000
» Yes.

2585
01:55:21,119 --> 01:55:22,800
» True.

2586
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,560
» Yes.

2587
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:25,520
» Barbara, I lost you.

2588
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,840
» Okay.

2589
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:32,080
» And I'm a Yes. Um, thank you all for

2590
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:34,080
your help and um, your input and

2591
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:37,280
everything. Um, thank you Judy, thank

2592
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:40,280
you Ethan. We'll see you at the uh, next

2593
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:40,280
meeting.