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I'd like to call the meeting to order is
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Can you do roll call?
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» here.
>> Stone

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» here.
>> Morgan

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» here.
>> Ralph

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» here.
>> Anderson

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» We do have a a full quum.
>> Thank you. Next on the agenda is the

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pledge of allegiance.

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Thank you.
I al to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all. [clears throat]

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» you have any order of business for
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» No.
>> You we have any attendance on Zoom?

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» No.
>> Next on the agenda, please report.

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» How everyone?
>> A lot of the same that you probably

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heard the last month. Um, our systems
are still taking a beating. Uh, I don't

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have any official report to give. Um,
last month's was a good month to all my

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poll understanding talking with the
other deputies working out here. Um,

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seems like a good time. Things are
slowing down. Nothing crazy to my

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knowledge has happened around here or
within the county really. Um,

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last month spent some time out in Rapid
myself. at their central states fair.

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Saw some familiar faces from the wall.
Uh hope some people got to go out there

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and enjoy a good time. Seemed like it
was a good fair this year. No issues.

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Beyond that, I don't have a whole lot to
give because I don't have a report, but

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if y'all have any questions or any
concerns, I can try to address them best

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of my abilities.
>> Any questions?

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Hearing none. Thanks for all you guys do
out there. Absolutely.

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Next is to adopt the agenda.
So I have a motion

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» second
>> and a second. Any discussion?

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» Hearing none. All in favor say I.
>> I. I.

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» All oppose. Same sign. Motion carries.
Is there any conflict of interest with

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you here? Where are

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none? I assume none.
Next is to approve the 8 or August 20th,

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2026 city council meeting minutes.
>> Move to approve.

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» I have a motion
>> by Dan, second by Jerry. Any further

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discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> I. All oppose. Same sign.

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» Motion carries.
Next we have

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that

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we have the city of wall fire department
library cemetery claims. Um the city of

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wall we have total bills of $
109,743.81.

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I would also like to note under the BBB
funds we are uh making the last payment

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on the community center.
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» Yay.
Uh we have cemetery bills of $221.90.

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We have fire department bills of
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And we have library bills of $569.50.
Is there any discussion?

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If not, I would take a motion.
>> That exact made a motion. I'll second.

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» Melton had second. Any further
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Hearing none. All in favor say I. I.
>> All oppose. Same sign.

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Motion carries.
Next is the review of the on call uh

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schedule overtimes sification report,
water usage report, sales tax report,

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budget reports in the library uh August
26 26 meeting minutes.

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Are there any comments, questions,
concerns?

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Caroline, I just noticed on the city's
budget that in the street section the

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wages are like at 300% over budget.
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those because right now the way the
software works I can only um expense to

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one of the five funds and then I have so
adjust and I'm working on that before we

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start the budget. So, okay. Thank you.

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Any other questions or comments?
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we'll move on to item 12, library
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» I included it in your packet that I uh
the library had shared um a recognition

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letter that they'd received on
uh receiving their achieving their

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accreditation for the from the South
Dakota State Library. And so I just

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thought they deserved a kudos for that
and wanted to bring everybody's

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attention to that at this meeting. So
>> thank you. That was a great uh

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achievement for them. So thanks for
bringing that to our attention.

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» Next on the
is a presentation.

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» I need you to come all the way around
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» Mayor, we have this plaque presenting in
recognition of the four years of

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outstanding service and dedication to
the community and citizens of law in

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your capacity as mayor. Thank you.

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picture first.

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» Don't let her falling.

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Thank you for that. Um nice recognitions
that they could change that and

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it was an honor to serve for the last
four years. And I want to express my

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appreciation to the council and to the
amazing city staff that you have here.

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Carolyn, Garrett, Trevor, Brandon,
Rashan, Katie, Michaela, and Brook. They

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are committed to this community and they
care how it looks and they work hard uh

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to keep it uh at top-notch condition.

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When I reflected over the last four
years, I understand that lots has

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happened in the wall. I took my oath in
May of 2022 and in June was the cactus

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fire. I was grateful to Garrett on how
he knew how to get water to the main

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street for the firemen who knew the
about the double wall. That kind of

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experience in a moment of uh terrific
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is uh very much appreciated and useful.
In July, I was made aware that the

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ambulance service was in dire situation.
Mike and Dan, you assisted me in getting

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a new board of directors. So, thank you,
Lily and Zach and Melanie and the other

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two directors that have worked to get
that back on its wheels. And thank you,

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council, for the $531,000
that you've allocated to the ambulance

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to keep it that way since 2023, as well
as paying the ambulance loan payment.

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And in September 2022, you approved the
South Dakota housing loan that Stan and

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I secured for Echo Valley
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And as a result, then that's created 24
lots. The result is 20 lots have been

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sold, six homes, and a amazing apartment
coming soon with potential of 17 more

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lots. when you as a council fulfilled
theou that you have with Echo Valley.

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And in November of that year, you
approved the Kelly Avenue and Gloria

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Street extension and infrastructure. And
that resulted in two stick built houses

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and five governor's homes. Young
families have come back to town. And

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both of these projects increase property
tax and revenue, which is what the city

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needs to operate. And then in December,
I90 closed and you council members,

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community members, and chamber people
stepped up to help man this community

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center for 24/7 the three days. And
again, Carolyn and Garrett, your

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leadership and the expertise was
absolutely stent in that situation. And

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Jerry, you worked tirelessly
starting cars and digging uh folks out

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and then hauling them to their
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And in 2022, the airport runway was
widened and extended. and I established

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the airport steering committee and Stan
and Rick, three pilots, a banker,

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airport engineer, Carolyn and Garrett,
the chamber and the economic development

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directors. All of that um committee work
resulted in a grand opening flyin. We

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have been chosen to locate the wild line
fire seat base here.

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Lease agreements have been updated.
Apron expansion is planned and on its

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way. Hangar coven covenants were
written. And recently the experimental a

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aviation group was hosted as well as a
new business fly

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is located at our airport.
In 2023, council, you courageously

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decided not to let go or lose the
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grant and you moved ahead to rebuild 4th
Avenue. And phase two then would be the

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completion of that project down the
road. And we um worked and established a

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relationship with Pennington County
Sheriff's Department. The public works

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once again went in and remodeled the
apartment for our deputy

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to live in. They painted and reffloed
the deputy office and they worked with

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GFP uh or I worked with GFP for an
office lease so we can bring another

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officer to town. And by the way, thank
you for approving that lease at the last

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meeting.
In 2025, we updated the community

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center, this meeting room. The guys
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Seating for the grand hall was improved
and the kitchen has been beautifully

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done all with elbow grease and work on
the part of our public works uh folks

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and that is what is attracting
associations and conferences to our

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town. For instance, the Energized
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in economic impact over that three days
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restaurants and retail. And Roshan is
working hard to continue those kinds of

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conferences.
You chose and approved the engineer

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option to fix the flooding issues that
we experienced after the 2025 rain event

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and that should commence in 2027.
And this spring, Main Street was

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revitalized with the new legacy park
benches that Judy Goldhammer um put

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together, promoted the flower pots, the
beautifification committee hanging

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flowers. So fun to see people sitting
and enjoying those benches um as they

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shop in our retail stores.
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I'm not sure what the 1900 views of the
July 16 meeting did for Wall, but I'm

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here to say that I'm going to continue
to be an ambassador and an advocate for

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Wall. The 150 plus or minus votes for me
are people who understand Wall is an egg

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and a tourist community. They know that
putting your eggs in all one basket

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and not diversifying the economy does
not meet the common sense test. And

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growing wall means retaining businesses,
helping new entrepreneurs

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get on their feet and move forward.
Welcome new businesses because they will

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all contribute to property and sales tax
revenue which the city needs. And I will

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continue to build on the opportunities
and relationships that I fostered. I

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will continue to use avenue news to
advocate for ProWall and promote that

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wall is a community that people want to
live in and want to move back to these

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young couples that are coming back to
educate their children here is amazing.

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So, I thank you for the recognition of
the plan and I just want to say that it

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was an honor to serve and an honor to
work with each and every one of you and

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I hope that you continue to make those
decisions that count that will help move

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wall forward. So, thank you.

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Thank you, Mary. Next on the uh list is
visitors. Kristen

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» Khan
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» I heard convol
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want to thank you all um driving in
here. What a wonderful little community

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you have and you should be very proud of
what you've accomplished. I really like

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your football field,
but I do like it's it's it's clean. It's

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there's a lot of people here
participating and that makes a

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difference. And I do like the way you
run your meetings because I don't

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believe in wasting time. Spent 10 years
in pure a lot of time got wasted there

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um with with income hearings. So, thanks
for your time. My name is Kristen Kit

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and I am the executive director of
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which is out of Rapid City. I come by
Fort Pier and have been in Rapid City uh

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for 32 years and I love South Dakota and
if you love something, you take care of

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it. And what we're proposing here with
Western Dakota Regional Water is

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legacy. It is long-term. It is
necessary. We have to start now. We

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started five years and we're coming to
culmination of a lot of work and effort

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not only by our members but by the state
and now we're working with federal

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government which I don't want to it's
just like you think working with federal

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government. Anyway, Western Dakota
Regional Water uh we have a

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forwardfacing campaign wanted to inform
you about it. It's just add waterb.org.

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It's all one place where it's got all
water and weather information for

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western South Dakota. It's got it goes
into webcam. It's got webcams. It's got

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everything. So, if you'd like to go over
there um and it's a live active uh web

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page and that is for everybody in I say
western South Dakota, but we're getting

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a lot of statewide uh people attending
that. How Western Dakota Regional Water

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started was there was West Dakota Water
Development District had water rights

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that were coming up for renewal and they
wanted to know if they should renew

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them. They engaged South Dakota School
of Minds. School of Minds did a study.

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School of Minds said not only should you
engage them, but you need to start

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accumulating more.
Reason being, and if you look at the and

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I do have more handouts if if you'd like
them, but you have them in front of them

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in front of you. If you look at the
yellow area starting in 2020, all of our

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data, all of our science is based on
population growth. It's not based on

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industry. It's not based on data
centers. It's not based on economic

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development. If we're looking at the
growth that has been projected for about

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the past 20 years or so, we've been at
1.1 in western South Dakota. And so they

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said if there is a drought that happens
that is is anything not like the dirty

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30s, we're not going back to to
something that drastic. You are going to

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have a drastic water shortage as of
right now. The natural recharge, which

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is the nice term for rain or snow, is we
are taking out more out of the aquifers

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than we are putting in. So they said
yes, you need to renew and you need to

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get more water rights. Water is a
tradable commodity.

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It is if you have it and you want to
sell it to another community, it is a

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revenue source. So what we did was we
formed a nonprofit organization. We've

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been around for five years. This is our
board. We currently have a board seat

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that is open and so I'll be talking with
a few people to see if uh you all would

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be interested in putting getting
somebody on the board.

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What our members have done, you've
helped build Western Dakota. This is our

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footprint currently. We are actually at
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have two more that are uh thinking about
it. One being me county uh is is uh one.

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But we do have water systems in meat
county. If you notice our footprint, we

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are missing Olga Galavala and Todd
County. The issue there is we have two

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board seats for the tribal nations.
Presidency changes every years year

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every two years. I'm not going to tell
you it's hard to get somebody that is

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interested in being on the on the board.
It's not that it's a big commitment, but

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I've made it my goal to make sure that I
get every county in western South Dakota

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as a membership. The membership is
$1,500

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a year. And we have been driving off of
that for the past five years. I like to

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put this in South Dakota drinking water
systems. If you look at it right now,

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these blue dots represent the drinking
water systems in South Dakota. East

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River is more organized. their
population is more spread out. But what

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this does not show at the state of South
Dakota, if you were under a capacity, I

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believe it's 25 connections, you do not
have to register with the state. If we

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added those small water systems, we
would have 500 more blue dots in western

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South Dakota. So, we got a lot of people
punching down into the aquifers and a

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lot of them are unregulated by the
state. But you can see that it is a

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growing issue.
And in my mind, the reason it's growing,

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we have two things that have really that
have really happened. One, co had a

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governor who said we're open for
business and they came and they got here

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and they like the South Dakota way of
life. I know that we're we're resisting

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it. Um is, you know, we want to preserve
that and I understand that, but they are

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here and so we have to deal. Our
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to 1.73.
Now you'll see why that really makes a

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difference when it comes to water usage.
In order to do a project that we are

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this is a bold like I said legacy
project we have to have our members

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state of South Dakota and the federal
government and in order to engage the

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federal government we have to do
something called a feasibility study.

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The feasibility study is done by the
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They are a re reactionary agency. In
order to get them to come down and look

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at all the work we've done over five
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So, this year I went I got through and
rounds. They put a bill through. Um it

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it went through it's just as complicated
as you think it can be. Before you even

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get to the Senate floor for a vote,
there are six processes that have

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there's subcommittees. There's
judiciary, there's financial, there's

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the the uh actual committee vote, and I
got to testify. Um, we are through the

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Senate uh waiting for the vote. They are
just getting back from recess waiting

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for the vote in the Senate. In the
House, we've got Dusty Johnson. He has

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carried the bill. He's been a big
supporter. Also, we are at the committee

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hearing phase there. We just did I just
testified on that and now we're going uh

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for a vote in the House. So what that
will do is tell the Bureau of

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Reclamation, come down and take a look
at what they've been doing. It's a

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500page study. I mean, tell me this
isn't the federal government. 500 pages.

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But what we've done is we've taken the
investment of our members and the state

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of South Dakota and we have completed
37% of that study. All of our funding is

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go has gone into this the problem,
defining the problem and coming up with

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the solution. So when we get the
feasibility study and we're anticipating

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the approval of them coming down after
the new year at that point we anticipate

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we'll be at 45% completed which will
take a fiveyear process.

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We're thinking about two years because
we've done we've invested so much in it.

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So why your support matters now why it
still matters as you know there are

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strength strength in numbers. We have
several things that work in our favor in

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western South Dakota. If you look at
eastern South Dakota, there are seven

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large regional water systems in western
that pull out of the Missouri. In

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western South Dakota, we have Lewis and
Clark that pulls out through Mini Woni,

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but we do not have one large regional
system. And there is strength in

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numbers. And so that's why I'm asking
you to consider staying a member with

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Western Dakota.
Here's the problem. I wanted to boil it

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down and this will mean something to
some of you to almost a schoolhouse rock

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video because when we talk about water
we talk about eight acre feet million

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gallons you know per day and that type
of thing. Right now with the 1% growth

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we use 15 gallons of water in western
South Dakota out of the aquifers.

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when we reach 2% which we are getting
there we will need 24 24 gallons

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and so these are the projections for the
next 50 years if we get to 3% we're

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going to need 40 gallons and at that
point I mean even when we get to the 2%

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which it will if numbers pencil out
we'll be getting there closer probably a

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lot faster than any of us want to

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in order to have a a third party verify
the the uh engineering and the science

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that we did. We engaged USGS. And I know
this is just a pencil of uh of the Black

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Hills area. But I want what I want you
to look at is the red area. We all punch

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down into the same aquifers. And at this
rate, the Rapid City and the area up

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into Hill City and out into Boxelder,
they are consuming more water than is

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than is naturally recharged.
Now, they have water rights.

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So they get to pull water. They're
superior water rights. They're in

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secondary and third. And in that area,
Rapid City and the surrounding area have

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a lot of superior water rights. So at
that point, they trump everybody else's

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access to water. And when it comes to
water, I want you to remember one thing.

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When it comes to water rights,
that's that's on paper. There is one

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there's a difference between uh an
appropriation or a paper of water rights

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in availability. If you do not have the
water available,

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the paper means nothing. It means who
gets to go to the well first. But if the

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well is empty, that's what we're
attempting to that's what we are going

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to solve with Western Dakota.
[clears throat]

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A lot of people ask how much water come
out. And I think this this slide is

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interesting to me because at the lowest
record flow Bismar puts in from Bismar

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78 million acre feet. That's how we
measure water acre feet. While south the

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Missouri River flows through South
Dakota, it is ours. It is our greatest

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natural resource. And if you look at the
lowest flow rate down ever recorded down

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in Sous City between Bismar and between
uh Sous City, look how much water the

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state of South Dakota contributes back
into the Missouri River. We are in the

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Missouri River basin. All of our water
flows towards the Missouri.

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So it would be 0.1 ounce per gallon that
we would need to have have the water

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needs reliable water. We are not here to
replace current water systems. We are

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here to supplement.
We are the wholesaler. We're the Sam's

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Club. But what we've taken is all the
collective water rights of all of our

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members and we have met the uh water
projection rates which [clears throat]

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is about 75
uh million acre feet for all of our

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members. So on paper we do have that.
But the Missouri River is the most

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reliable water source. So that's why we
started there. It's big. It's bold. With

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the feasibility study, when they when we
they come in, you not only have to come

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with your big bold pipeline from the
Missouri River, 165 miles, 2,000 ft

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lift.
That's what we are proposing. 72 inch

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pipe. That is a six foot man.
Um but that is what we are proposing. I

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like to bring this one up because these
are the listing of the aquifers that we

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currently all draw out of in western
South Dakota. And I like the the purple

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line. I highlight that because if you
look at it from uh the Madison, which is

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where a majority of the water is pulled
out, the water rights by acre feet, look

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at how much it's climbed in the last 20
years. And those are people that are

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going after water rights and and water
consumption.

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Friend of mine says whisy's for
drinking, water's for fighting. And

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that's what we're going to be in here is
going to be a fight to get the natural

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resources that we need all the way out
into western South Dakota. Here's our

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solution.
The intake will be above the Aahi Dam on

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the Fort Pier side of the river. Now,
I've kept these I shouldn't say I the

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engineers have kept we've got four lift
stations to uh compensate for that 2,000

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foot lift. We've kept the yellow uh
line, the transmission water line. We've

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kept it fat. We are not about imminent
domain. We are not at that phase yet.

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But I will tell you this, being from
Fort Pier, I know a lot of ranchers in

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between there. And there's no way when
we're talking about a project of this

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magnitude that I will not make sure that
they are compensated correctly. We're

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not going to get into that. We're not
going to do a carbon pipeline thing.

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We're working, we've partnered with the
uh electrical districts and the

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companies in western South Dakota. They
are on board and they are going to work

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with us so we can part partner with the
ranchers or the land owners in that uh

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in those areas once we get down to the
idea of or the the laying of pipe. Now,

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I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It's a 30
to 40year project.

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But think of it this way. Louiswis and
Clark started in 1990. Louis and Clark

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feeds all of all the way up to Sou
Falls, goes into Iowa, goes into

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Minnesota.
They didn't put a big enough pipe. They

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just finished as a matter of fact of it
the completion. They didn't put a big

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enough pipe in. Now there's a Louiswis
and Clark 2. So they are back at the

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drawing board again to get more water to
to that area.

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This is our distribution system and this
is where we have done our our best to

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keep the costs as low as we can. We are
using current water infrastructure,

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current reservoir, storage. Um, and if
you look, we go all the way from down to

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Winter in Trip County and then we go
down to Martin.

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Those are going to be harder to get
water down there. Now, there's current

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water that goes down there with Lewis
and Clark and Minnie was shown, but like

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I said, when the feasibility study
happens, you have to have plan A, which

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is the pipeline. We also have plan B,
plan C, plan D, and plan E. The federal

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government will get to decide which one
we do. It could be plan B, let's do uh

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from wall over to the Black Hills, a
regionalization. It could be uh a

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pipeline that goes straight into the
aquifers and does recharge

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uh which would keep our aquifers at a
level that we can maintain. But we we

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had to have five plans for that.
I like to put this one in because this

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is the transmission system and this is
the elevation. And if you look right

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down there at number two, there's WASA.

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So you see this, this is the 1 ounce per
gallon of water that we will be taking

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out future funding. So what we've done
is we've taken all of the ARCA money

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that we were given. We've taken our
members uh support. We've taken the

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state money and I said we've invested it
all in the solution and in and defining

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the problem and the solution. So what
we're entering in these next two years

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is waiting for the feasibility study to
be complete. So at that point we're

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going to ramp down to bare bones. We
will have all of the engineering done.

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Everything will be completed. But
Western Dakota as a nonprofit will still

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be active and I'll still be advocating.
I do a lot of advocating in peer because

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I've made it my personal mission. There
is nobody currently representing Western

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South Dakota's water needs in Pier. I
went there last year. There was a bill

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that was brought up that was called the
greenhorn bill or yeah the greenhorn a

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bill and that was uh greenhorn is a a
layer in geology and

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the bill required that if anybody wanted
to drill down below the greenhorn they

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had to go through the department of a at
their own cost and have a study done and

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the study was coming out for each
individual well at $750,000 to a million

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dollars speech. We defeated that and but
that's what I'm there for and I I make

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it my personal mission. It is not in my
job description, but all of Western

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South Dakota water should be represented
there. So, I do that. So, the next two

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years we're we're going to be be going
down to a lot of state legislation, uh

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things like that. We'll still be working
with the federal government, but our

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science and our engineering will be
completed. This is to show you just

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where the money has gone, where well,
where it's come from. If you look at it,

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the ARPA money was the uh 10 million
that we were given from ARPA and that

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was what we have invested to get the
engineering uh completed. The state of

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South Dakota has given us a grant that
we have used that is the yellow and then

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the green area is what our members have
supported. So as you can see we have

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used every dime in a very transparent
returnable way.

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Now if you look at the next two years
since we are scaling back and and when I

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say scaling back and you guys can
understand this it's myself and an

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office manager. Now I still have access
to our engineers and we will still be

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doing things there but we are going to
run a tight ship because I want to keep

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the membership dues as low as I can. So
this year it is the 1500. Next year it

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will go up 200 and then the the next
year will go up I believe it's 175. So

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it's really keeping it down in a cost
effective way uh for the rate of return

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on what we're proposing. But once the
feasibility study is done that's when we

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go into action and I can only put TB to
be determined on there on the final one

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because that's when we will get into the
real building the actual laying of pipe.

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Now, we are also looking at pilot
projects for members. Edgemont is in a

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real pickle.
Provo's in out of compliance.

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Hot Springs has excess water. We're
starting a pilot project there where we

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will get water to our members. Another
one that is up for consideration,

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New Underwood. The arsenic and
radionucleides out there are shocking.

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shocking. Same thing with a you know any
anywhere in there where we we have a

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pilot project that we're looking at
where we start building from the Rapid

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City area and we start coming to New
Underwood and we start coming to Wall.

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So we do have pilot projects that are
going to start seeing returns for our

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members as soon as we can.

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So [clears throat] this is why your
continued investment matters. I would

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ask that you would consider it again.
This is what you get from me. The city

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of Wall can call me at any time. We you
as a member get the infrastructure and

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technical. Um uh we do have you know
operations and business support. We have

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done an assessment of your system
already with with our engineers. They

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came in and did all the water samples
and all of that. We have all that

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information. Um so we are up to to date.
But if there's anything in here that you

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as the city uh wall about water needs
help with, I [laughter] I don't want you

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going to talk about data center. Um uh I
am here as a resource and this is just a

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00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:29,760
look at the the just add water sd.org.
I'd encourage you to go there.

413
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:33,839
That's it.
>> Thank you very much.

414
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:38,720
» It's a lot. I know [clears throat]
it's a lot. any questions you can think

415
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,480
of now.
Okay. My contact information is on

416
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:47,599
there. Email me. It's my cell phone
number. You can call me. Um I would be

417
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:50,000
available for anything.
>> Thank you. A lot of great information.

418
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,680
» Yeah.
>> I don't know that I have a comprehended

419
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:59,839
all at this time, but uh glad you came.
>> Well, I would be more than willing to

420
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:04,480
come over and take you to
>> But I know we're a supporter and

421
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:08,079
» Yes, you are. and I appreciate it. Thank
you.

422
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:11,280
» So, are you asking for the funding still
then for

423
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:14,560
» Yep. It would be a $1,500 request for
2027.

424
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:18,079
» I'll make that motion. Have you already
did that or

425
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:21,079
» It's for 2027. I come now. It's for next
year.

426
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,320
» In the budget.
>> Yeah.

427
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:30,480
» I'm gonna pull my computer so you can
get back to the real business.

428
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:34,920
» Thank you guys for your time. Thank you.
Thank you.

429
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,920
» I think you need to

430
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:39,079
for the owl.

431
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:50,256
» Okay.
Next on the agenda is the doll's

432
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:52,960
chainsaw approach access.
[clears throat]

433
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:59,280
» Jonathan was supposed to be here
tonight. [laughter]

434
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:06,800
We just have a problem with uh
the school and our parking. Uh we was

435
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:17,119
hoping that we could uh uh get it so
that we could get handicap markings uh

436
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:22,560
in front where um the they have
unloading for handicap people. Um, we

437
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:31,200
was hoping that we could get that
painted and then, uh, as for the rest of

438
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:40,480
it, um, I don't know. I had said
something a long time ago to another

439
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:48,079
manager about, uh, having um,
parking that was designated and at one

440
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:52,079
time we did have like Jacko uh, parking.
Um if there could be a way that the

441
00:38:50,480 --> 00:39:00,720
school
with the activities and the um

442
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:04,560
dolls can coincide together so that
everything

443
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:11,839
has it so that we can have parking for
our customers. Um Jonathan said things

444
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:17,760
about towing people. Uh I think that's
too drastic. Um, I think it's better

445
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:23,920
that somebody maybe from the city
council could actually talk to the

446
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:31,760
school and be an arbitrator between uh
what's going on between the dolls and um

447
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:40,000
the school so that we do have places
that um we can have for our customers.

448
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:48,000
Uh our hours are 8 to 6 usually. Uh
Jonathan goes in at 9 to 5 basically,

449
00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:53,359
but um we just have problems with having
parking for our customers. So uh I don't

450
00:39:50,880 --> 00:40:02,240
want it to get to the point where they
uh um tow people away. Uh I've like the

451
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:07,119
school. I like the teachers. I like the
the whole setup of the school. And I've

452
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:11,599
worked with many of them. So, I wouldn't
want to see anything like that

453
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:17,520
happening. [clears throat] So, uh I
guess you have to kind of talk to

454
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Jonathan Moore. His daughter had was
running a fever today. So, I worked for

455
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:28,160
him. So, uh I just thought that I'd come
in and tell him what he had told me,

456
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:34,560
which was, you know, trying to get it so
that they have it painted where it's

457
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:38,480
handicapped. And then uh also uh try to
get it so that the school works with

458
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,520
them so that when they have activities
they don't take up all the parking

459
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,800
spots.
>> Are those parking spots in front of the

460
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:52,960
Jacob corner?
>> The Yeah. Well, yeah. There's should be

461
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:59,119
like three spots from the the corner to
the to the end of the jackaloupe to

462
00:40:55,599 --> 00:41:04,240
their lot. Three or four spots. But when
we have football games.

463
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:09,680
» So, can we place the sign? It's a
>> Well, I I don't I don't know. We almost

464
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:14,319
have to get individual signs.
>> Can we do that? Maybe. Um I I don't

465
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,400
know. I don't
>> It's a public street. Yeah.

466
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:21,200
» Yeah. So, I don't I don't know.
>> Anybody?

467
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:27,280
» Jonathan was the one that called the
sheriff. I wasn't. So, I don't know what

468
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:34,079
he has to say about it, but uh he put us
on the um docket and I he didn't show

469
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:38,800
tonight. So, I have to sit there and
guess kind of what was going on, but

470
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:46,160
from what I understand, he wanted it to
be painted. and uh uh he wanted to to

471
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:54,240
have it where we have certain spots that
we can make sure that the um

472
00:41:50,160 --> 00:42:00,240
jackal chains are has
you know access to so that that we can

473
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:05,040
make sure our customers come because uh
then right now everybody's parking

474
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:10,319
across the street over at powerhouse so
I guess you'll have to talk to Jonathan

475
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:13,200
more but um that was what I is told.
Okay.

476
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:16,800
» I would believe if we talked to Dr.
Cowser, she would work with some of the

477
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:22,400
school kids. I do know when they play
games out of town the school, they load

478
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:31,520
on the school bus and they get uniforms
and they use that. I I'm guessing that

479
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:36,960
she would try to get the student art and
we did put her signs up and it didn't

480
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:42,000
work much, but um I don't know. They
took the signs down and handed them back

481
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:46,400
over to the statues and I threw them
away because we have one on our door.

482
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:52,960
So, it's kind of one of those things
that if uh we can try to figure out some

483
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:57,440
kind of a resolution to the problem,
that would be great. But, like I said, I

484
00:42:55,280 --> 00:43:02,400
don't know. Uh Jonathan was the one that
called the sheriff and he talked to Will

485
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:06,000
Christopherson and I don't know exactly
what was all said. I just know that he

486
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:12,480
said that he would like to get it
painted and uh we would like to have

487
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:18,640
maybe designated spots that we are for
us that that they can park at the

488
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:23,599
weekend. So that's all.
>> Thank you. I know we did talk with

489
00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:28,079
Garrett uh the other day. He he's not
here today, but I think he was going to

490
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:33,440
contact the sheriff, see what we could
do there as far as painting um

491
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:38,960
» a handicap. Why handicap?
>> Yeah. Would there need to be like a

492
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:41,920
handicap approach to it then for
>> Well, I'm trying to visualize that.

493
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,440
There isn't one, is there?
>> No, it's all curved.

494
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,319
» Curved all the way along.
>> There's only one spot that's down real

495
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,960
low
>> because they're street.

496
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:54,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

497
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:59,520
And that that uh spot that you're
talking about was the old approach from

498
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,680
the west side into that gravel park you
lived initially.

499
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:07,599
» Yeah.
>> And I I think we're going to have a very

500
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:13,280
difficult time taking city parking and
designating it for

501
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:17,680
for that that particular business. I
understand the handicapped sign. Um and

502
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:23,280
and trying to get that straightened out,
but as far as parking, um I I don't know

503
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:30,800
that we can designate parking
specifically for that business.

504
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:36,319
» Yeah. I I don't know either. I guess um
I said to the owner, "What is it that

505
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:41,839
you want to happen tonight at the city
council meeting?" And he didn't answer

506
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:48,640
me. So, uh, Jonathan is the one that's
pushing, um, this more than anything.

507
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:52,160
And I just, uh, word today instead of
him and

508
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:58,720
he was supposed to show up for the
meeting and he didn't. So, um, I I don't

509
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:05,200
know. I I just kind of briefed Lee said,
"What did you want to happen?" And said

510
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:13,920
he'd like to get it painted and um, try
to get it individually marked somehow.

511
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:16,400
So maybe have him get on the next agenda
to help you with us.

512
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,640
» Yeah, I'm sorry.
>> No, you're good. You did fine. Yeah, we

513
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,480
we at least have an idea.
>> Yeah.

514
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:30,720
» of what what
>> but it's it's kind of the school and uh

515
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:37,200
dolls kind of clashing and um
like I said,

516
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:43,440
I went to school here. So to me, this
is, you know, amazing that school does

517
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:47,359
so well.
>> So it's very it's very hard for me to be

518
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:51,599
kind of in the middle of this. I don't
like it.

519
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:57,280
» Well, we appreciate it. And we I know
we'll consider at least looking at the

520
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:59,599
uh handicap. Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank

521
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,720
you.
>> Thank you. Any other questions?

522
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:12,680
If not, we have a concern form for 217
10th Avenue

523
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:18,000
like the parking lot's full of weeds,
flood

524
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:22,880
around the shed around behind a
building.

525
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:27,680
It's at the corner
question because I've heard in the past,

526
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:31,200
did anybody contact the owners about
this?

527
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,520
That's what we're needing direction
from.

528
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:41,440
» I've heard from people before we bring
the request here, discuss them public in

529
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:45,520
front of everyone and they not they
don't even know about it and it's kind

530
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:50,319
of not fair to the owners. they need to
at least give them a call. tell them you

531
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:55,200
have two weeks to do this and if it's
not happening then we can do

532
00:46:53,440 --> 00:47:00,960
» this has been how the process has been
changed too Phil is that form has to be

533
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:07,119
submitted first
because you guys have to give the

534
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:12,160
direction on whether a letter be sent or
how we need to handle request letter

535
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:16,319
regardless everyone to take care of the
property based on our ordinances

536
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:19,040
probably should indicate the ordinance
number and

537
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:23,680
We do when we send a letter, but we need
direction from it's not just something

538
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:26,960
to have done.
>> Set a process how to do it. Instead of

539
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,319
just talking about people in open
session, we don't call the name.

540
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:34,560
» We're not talking about people,
>> but it's obvious because I've heard it

541
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:38,480
before. It happened here and people were
upset that they didn't even get a

542
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,800
warning and it was discussed among
everybody. So, um I think

543
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:48,079
» that's the process though. I have to
take the totally should change the

544
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,079
process. So, it's

545
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:55,680
But I wouldn't leave it on the our
office to do that. I mean, that was done

546
00:47:53,200 --> 00:48:00,240
before and we were criticized for that.
Same way with public works is, oh well,

547
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:05,520
we've had some words and so they're just
picking on us type thing and that's why

548
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:09,599
it was directed for the council to give
them out or to do. I I don't know. I

549
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:14,160
don't see a problem.
>> So, for now then um probably you just

550
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,640
need direction to send them a letter.
>> Yep. We don't have to discuss it any

551
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:23,680
further.
>> No, two weeks from the time the letter

552
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:28,160
is sent and if it isn't remedied then we
talk about it in open session and

553
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,200
solutions.
>> Correct.

554
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:35,079
» And then we'll have to look at how we
handle that in the future.

555
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:45,440
» I have a motion from Jerry. Second.
Second from Mike. Any further

556
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:51,280
discussion? Hearing none. All in favor
say I. I. I.

557
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:55,440
» All oppose. Same sign. Motion carries.
Item number 17. Uh, [clears throat]

558
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:59,680
public comments. A time for members of
the public to discuss or express

559
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:04,160
concerns to the council with any issue
on or not on the agenda. Action will not

560
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:08,000
be taken on the issue until it can get
added to the next meeting agenda. Each

561
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:13,640
person will have three minutes to
address their concerns. Do we have any

562
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:13,640
public comments?

563
00:49:17,359 --> 00:49:23,359
We can probably if you want we can wait
till 18. Can you do you have a minute?

564
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:29,079
» Can you stay?
>> Yep.

565
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,079
Any public [clears throat] comments?

566
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:39,040
Hearing none.
Let's move on to item number 18. Uh the

567
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:44,880
planning commission recommendation on
reszone and ordinance changes.

568
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:49,200
have that in your packet,
I believe.

569
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:57,760
» So, and I got a few things. So, I was
contacted um by a number of people um

570
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:07,680
in LA most recent days here in regards
to this um with a number of concerns. Um

571
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:13,359
probably the biggest concern um that has
been voiced is changing the the zoning

572
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:20,960
to commercial.
Um and concern as far as doing that. Um

573
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:27,359
there were a number of other other
concerns but you know after listening to

574
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:33,839
them most of them that was
the biggest issue. I spoke with Dar

575
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:41,040
today in regards to that and just kind
of I I just want there to be some

576
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:46,559
options um for these guys. I I think
it's the entire council likes what you

577
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:51,760
guys are doing. We want you to be able
to proceed.

578
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:59,520
It's just the zoning deal. And I think
that we may have some options there.

579
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:06,000
possible location changes as well with
talking with Dar as far as but that

580
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:12,720
those are all options. But anyway, um
and so I was kind of looking at it and

581
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:19,119
um the multiple or sorry the um the
medium density residential if that's a

582
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:24,240
possibility. Um, I also spoke with Chris
uh bet um

583
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:30,000
and he had kind of voiced he said he had
voiced his concern with the planning and

584
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:35,200
zoning commission in regards to that. Um
h have we looked into that Carolyn? Is

585
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:39,520
that a possibility that it could be
zoned under a medium density

586
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:43,920
residential?
>> You're going to have to change the

587
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:46,160
ordinance to implement that zone.
Currently, we don't have that zone in

588
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,400
place.
>> Sure. So we have to change the order.

589
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:53,839
» Have any of you guys been reached out
to?

590
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:59,839
» You know, we can create a different
zoning and we talked about it at the

591
00:51:55,599 --> 00:52:04,000
planning and zoning. Um truly I don't
feel like we need to create a different

592
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:08,319
zoning district. I don't see why we do
not have multifamily

593
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:14,480
dwelling units under the residential
district. I why we can't I don't

594
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:19,119
understand why it's not included. So
instead of creating a new zoning

595
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:26,240
district, we probably just need to
include the multif family dwelling units

596
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:35,440
into the residential district
for me. Um I looked in our uh commercial

597
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:40,880
zoning district. We do have apartments.
It doesn't say multif family dwellings

598
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:46,079
but by the way we do have words
multifamily dwelling under the

599
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:53,599
wastewater ordinance and I don't know
why we do not even have this in our

600
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:59,440
time. Um so we do have apartments and
seven second floor apartments which is

601
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:03,920
for example if somebody wants to build
over when we had businesses who had

602
00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:09,920
apartments on the second floor cactus
cafe used to have one makes sense why it

603
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:16,000
was in the commercial under conditional
uses but I don't understand why we never

604
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:23,280
included multif family welling units
into our residential zoning Indry.

605
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:29,839
So that makes more sense.
We can create that's what city does. Uh

606
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:35,680
they do have
it's a multi-use. Um but

607
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:39,280
are we going to have a bunch of
apartments stop popping up here? In that

608
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:44,559
case maybe we should have a different
district. But truly why we can't have it

609
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:49,359
under our just residential and then it's
going to be zoned residential and it's

610
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:54,640
going to be conditional use just like it
is right now in the commercial

611
00:53:53,040 --> 00:54:02,400
and then we don't have to go to this
hole. If you think about the long term

612
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:07,200
for these three labs is that best use
commercial.

613
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:11,440
» Can I ask one question? Um,
as far as when you guys are discussing

614
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:15,839
this, when you look at a conditional use
permit, which correct me if I'm wrong,

615
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:19,920
but all conditional use permits have to
be re-evaluated and reapproved every 3

616
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:26,480
years.
Just my opinion that you would want to

617
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,960
be classified where you didn't have to
>> apply every three years for additional

618
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:32,960
use per.
>> No, this is not

619
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:38,480
» not the case in our commercial zoning.
But no, but if it was under residential

620
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:43,040
» because we have separate ordinance
that's under business license and it's

621
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:47,680
only three categories that are included
there for three year renewal. Everything

622
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:52,160
else is not.
>> Okay. So it wouldn't have to be renewed

623
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:57,760
then it's only daycare saloons and
Airbnbs.

624
00:54:54,319 --> 00:55:02,960
» It's a separate Yeah.
>> So we don't have to renew.

625
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:08,960
It just allows the council or the
commission, whoever, to

626
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:15,520
require some possible conditions that
they would want you to meet with your

627
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:20,000
request is all that's the conditional
uses in those sections.

628
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:25,920
» Like for instance,
>> sorry. Oh, I'm sorry to which you guys

629
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:29,920
have covered, but as an example, if they
didn't feel you had enough parking for

630
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:34,079
your apartment unit, they could say,
well, this will be approved based on

631
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:38,400
having whatever number of parking
spaces. That's what the conditional use

632
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:43,680
means in the zoning section of the
ordinances.

633
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:47,839
» Would that be of suffice you got here?
>> Yeah. Um, I mean, as far as the

634
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:53,440
apartments go, you know, we first of all
wanted to hear uh what people's concerns

635
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:58,000
were. You know, we want a happy project
of of what we do. So, is it a zoning

636
00:55:56,079 --> 00:56:01,839
issue that people have? Is it the
apartment issue that people have? You

637
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:06,960
know, that's kind of what I want to hear
is what's what's an issue out there so

638
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:12,799
that we can address it. And for the most
part, John, it was the zoning issue.

639
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:17,040
People were just nervous about that. Um,
you know, there there are other

640
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:20,720
concerns, but I think that
they and correct me if I'm wrong. I

641
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,119
mean, I spoke with you.
>> I could speak to some of them if you if

642
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,960
you like,
>> John.

643
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:31,599
» Yeah, because MDR is what we my first
email actually Katie sent to you. That's

644
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:37,359
what we requested was MDR, not knowing
that, you know, Wall didn't have MDR. It

645
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:41,440
runs under the commercial. So, we're
just basically going under the zoning

646
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,720
that the city's asking us to go under.
Yep.

647
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:51,359
» Yeah. And and you know, for some of you
guys that weren't here um before aren't

648
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:57,040
aware of it, uh John and I started this
process probably 3 years ago or so. When

649
00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:02,000
we originally came to the council, we
kind of came up with some ideas and

650
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:07,920
looked around and we proposed a piece of
property that was owned by the city. Um

651
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:12,799
and then we were, you know, just kind of
pushed away from that and pushed towards

652
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:17,839
Echo Valley. Well, hey, Echo Valley has
lots available, you know. Why don't you

653
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:22,880
guys look in that direction first, you
know? So, then that's how we ended up

654
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:27,680
where we were at um coming up with what
I felt was

655
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:33,520
a a good spot, an excellent spot, and a
heck of a building to put up out there.

656
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:38,720
So, you know, I really feel like we were
guided in the direction that we've gone.

657
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:42,079
So, um, just wanted to make sure
everybody was aware that this isn't

658
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:46,640
fresh. We've been dealing, we've been
working on this for a long time. So,

659
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:50,880
» and I appreciate that. I know there's
several of us new folks on here that

660
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:55,200
that's good history.
>> Yeah.

661
00:57:53,359 --> 00:58:00,880
» So, I think we just move forward and we
change the we amend the ordinances, but

662
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:07,280
we probably can't get it to the next
meeting.

663
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:12,079
» Listen to Lex. Sure. Um, just a couple
things. Um, I think to, and I don't

664
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:15,040
know, I can't speak for everybody. Um, I
for one think that I don't know if you

665
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:20,720
guys saw the picture when you walked in,
but this is pretty awesome. Um, so I'm

666
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:28,240
100% in favor of of apartments. I think
our town needs uh, you know, multifamily

667
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:32,240
options. Um, my concern was um, the
zoning. Um, and you just mentioned it,

668
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:37,280
so you pretty much just kashed any other
concern. I mean, if you came to the city

669
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:42,640
council originally with an MDR, that's
what my thought process was is why would

670
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:47,920
we not zone this as MDR and why would it
be commercial? Um, because none of us

671
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:51,200
have a crystal ball. Um, I actually
think these two guys are you couldn't

672
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:54,319
ask for anybody better to probably build
these buildings. I mean, I I trust these

673
00:58:52,960 --> 00:59:00,400
guys that they're going to do a great
job with it. Um, but 20 years down the

674
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:04,640
road, 25 years down the road, let's say,
you know, these guys sell that or or

675
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:09,440
whatever, right? Well, what's going to
happen to it then? Well, if it's zoned

676
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:15,839
correctly, um, you know, then there
doesn't end up being commercial zoning

677
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:19,760
in one of your great residential areas.
Um, so I don't necessarily have a

678
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:24,960
problem with, you know, any of the
project. It's more so the commercial.

679
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:28,720
Um, you know, from a personal
standpoint, do I think it's the greatest

680
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:32,559
location?
Not sure. I mean, there's train tracks

681
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:36,240
right there. I don't know if I'm how
great that is or if that's going to

682
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:41,440
present an issue for you guys. Um, maybe
it doesn't at all. Um, and I I do think

683
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:45,839
you guys had talked about um at one
point you had looked at a different

684
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:48,480
location in town um and got kind of told
no on that. Correct me if I'm wrong on

685
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:53,200
that.
>> Yeah, we've looked at multiple spots.

686
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:56,559
» Okay. Um I I thought maybe a good
location for it, you know, potentially

687
00:59:55,119 --> 01:00:00,640
was the one they were originally looking
at from my understanding, which was

688
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:06,079
behind the grocery store. Um provides a
lot of great amenities at just better

689
01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:10,319
access for their residents to maybe be
there. Um I don't know that you're ever

690
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:15,760
going to get access underneath the
bridge to the school and to town and

691
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:19,839
things like that. Um if you do, great.
then the location's even even better to

692
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:23,040
know because you have great location for
that apartment complex to be able

693
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:28,240
because then it's on the north side of
Stone Drive versus like the south side,

694
01:00:25,119 --> 01:00:34,480
right? North side makes more sense. Um
so that was kind of the main concern of

695
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:38,720
of mine. Um just that yeah, the that the
property not be zoned commercial was my

696
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:44,000
concern. Um, I just feel like that'd be
a mistake um, in the long term. Um, and

697
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:48,079
it could bring some possibly negative
options to a residential area. Um, I

698
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:54,160
just don't feel like commercial zoning
is a is the right zoning for the area

699
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:58,559
that is picked for this. Um, but no,
there's there's I don't know that

700
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:02,079
there's a ton of concern as far as the
apartment building in general. Um, there

701
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:06,559
was a little bit like Mike mentioned
about the location. Um, I don't have a

702
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:11,280
huge problem with the the location
thing. Um, as long as it's zoned

703
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:16,319
correctly, um, and taken care of
properly. It looks like they're they're

704
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:21,200
great apartments. So, um, I think that's
kind of the main concerns was, um,

705
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:26,640
zoning, a little bit of location, and
then maybe, you know, the cost of them.

706
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:31,520
You know, what what's the cost of these
apartments going to be? Um, do they ever

707
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:37,599
become subsidized? Um, those weren't the
top concerns, but just more questions

708
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:44,000
than concerns, I guess, on that if what
the long-term plan or goal was on the in

709
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:48,880
the
um logistics of how that looks, I guess.

710
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:54,160
So, maybe you could speak a little bit
to that side of things just on what the

711
01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:56,960
long-term plan on is it for I understand
12 apartments. Okay.

712
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:01,040
» Yep.
>> Um, but and I let these guys talk on

713
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:06,920
that. I don't know about the ins and
outs of the project, but so thanks for

714
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,920
your time on that, guys.

715
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:19,760
» Yeah, it's a 12 unit apartment complex.
Uh there's eight two-bedroom units in

716
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:27,040
there. There's two um one-bedroom units
in there, and there's two studio units

717
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:31,520
in there. Um, as most of you know, um,
we've also or I've also built some town

718
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:38,160
homes over there that are threebedroom.
And I think, you know, if you guys check

719
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:43,119
out your um,
housing study that the city pays for

720
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:48,880
every few years, you'll see that what we
are proposing is almost following it to

721
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:54,640
a tea, exactly what the study is
requesting. So, we're not just kind of

722
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:59,920
falling into this blindly. We've taken
our time. We've done our homework and uh

723
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,920
we're just looking to proceed with the
project.

724
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:09,680
So, but if anybody has absolutely any
questions, I mean, right now will be the

725
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:13,040
time to to answer them.
>> Would you would you be in favor of a of

726
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,599
an MDR, John?
>> I'd be all over an MDR.

727
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:23,440
» Yep. I don't have a problem with that's
the zoning that typically we would apply

728
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:27,920
for on anything.
So, every town obviously has a little

729
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:33,839
bit of a different avenue on how they
word their zoning or what they what they

730
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:37,680
use it for. You know, right now,
correct me if I'm wrong, Carolyn, but in

731
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:43,440
single family,
as long as the covenants allow for it,

732
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:49,039
you can go up to eight units.
And so this is basically and what like

733
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:53,599
say for instance the city of Rapid City
would do they designate certain areas

734
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:59,039
for below units and once they get you
know between that basically six and 20

735
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:03,520
units it's one way once you get so many
stories you get into high density

736
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:09,520
residential everybody just classifies it
different ways but as far as commercial

737
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:14,000
we have no intentions of building
anything commercial there in any kind of

738
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:18,240
business We strictly want to build our
apartments. So, we're just following the

739
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:21,359
guidelines that the city's given us.
This is what the city zoning is as

740
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,480
commercial. So, that's what we
requested.

741
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:30,079
» Yeah. And John actually in the email
that he originally drafted it up request

742
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:35,039
was for MDR. Um so, yeah, we reviewed
that today. So, just not knowing 100%

743
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:40,319
what the reclassification when the city
went through and changed their um uh

744
01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:42,480
classifications were. So, I mean, that's
what

745
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:45,359
» But you were at a rack in a hard spot
because it was like, well, the only way

746
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,640
we can get this done is if we go
commercial because the way the zoning is

747
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:50,880
currently in the city.
>> Yeah. Right.

748
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:54,079
» You you didn't have any way to move
forward other than to get it requested

749
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,440
as that.
>> Yeah. The the city tells us how to zone

750
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:03,280
it. Okay. Yep.
>> We've never had MDRs for zoning. I mean,

751
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:07,839
when we redid our zoning ordinance, we
just wrote it to include the zonings

752
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:12,160
that we did have. The only one we added
was highway commercial, which we felt

753
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,920
was a need to change.
>> Yeah.

754
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:20,160
» My opinion on this one, like Lily said,
if if you think you're going to be

755
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:24,079
building more areas of apartments, then
maybe look at it, but that's going to be

756
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:27,359
a lot slower process for them to add
that MDR because

757
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:32,000
» I believe you can amend your residential
to incorporate

758
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,960
multi-dwelling unit.
>> That's

759
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,520
what we're trying to do. You just amend
your residential is what Lily said,

760
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:42,000
right?
>> This is easier

761
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:47,119
» create a brand new one
>> because we're not going to put an an MDU

762
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:50,160
district in there just for apartments.
We're going to have to look at what are

763
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:55,280
the things and how it needs to be
written to cover. There's just going to

764
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:58,319
be a lot more detail to it rather than
amending the residential.

765
01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:02,160
» No, I understand that. It's just a
precedence for I'm not saying a bunch of

766
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:02,880
apartments are going to pop up in the
wall, right?

767
01:06:02,795 --> 01:06:08,480
» [clears throat]
>> But in 5 to 10 to 20 years from now,

768
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:14,160
maybe there is another one that comes up
that's a above an 8 unit, then they have

769
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:19,039
to go through the same struggle that
John and Dar went through. Why why make

770
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:26,480
that next person go through the same
struggle just to fix it the right way

771
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:33,200
now and and amend it properly so that it
residential but and then we we still

772
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:37,359
going to leave it in the commercial in
case somebody wants to build it in the

773
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,119
commercial. So, we we're going to have
it in both

774
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:42,160
» and [clears throat] then
>> we're just going to call it multif

775
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:47,039
family dwelling units.
>> And would some of our other

776
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:52,640
apartments that Wall currently has,
would they be able to fall under the

777
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:56,880
same category?
>> They're already residential now and

778
01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:00,880
they're grandfathered. Yeah.
>> To me, an apartment is a resident.

779
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:05,440
Granted, they're there to rent and they
are money to pay for it, but they're

780
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:08,960
they're residential. We have people that
own houses here that don't live in them

781
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:13,200
and rent them out. We don't make them be
a commercial district, right? But to me,

782
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:16,960
it's going to be a residential building.
I see no problem.

783
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:22,079
» I do have one question maybe just about
John and Dard. You guys mentioned your

784
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:25,440
previous location. Is there would you
guys have a preference on that or maybe

785
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:30,720
since you've done enough initial work on
the current location at um Stone Drive

786
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:36,559
if if you were to be granted the
location that you originally proposed

787
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:40,319
and you I mean that's would you rather
be at your original location or the

788
01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:44,799
location that you're proposing now at
Stone Drive just out of curiosity and I

789
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:50,000
don't mean to put you on the spot but
>> but you're going to

790
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:54,079
answer that part. I was the one that
opposed the original. They were going to

791
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:58,799
take land away from the rodeo grounds.
I'm very agriculture. They loved that

792
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:03,520
one spot because it was right next to a
grocery store. Their apartment renters

793
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:08,960
could walk to it. I did not want them to
see them taking away from our rodeo and

794
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:14,240
our rodeo has grown tremendously in the
past few years and they plan on growing

795
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:19,839
even more. So I will always stand behind
our rodeo and our rodeo kids and I will

796
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:22,400
always stand behind all kids of all. So
I will never want to take anything away

797
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,520
from
>> So that was the original reason for not

798
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,839
having that location.
>> I fought it. I fought it. I'll just tell

799
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,759
you
>> because that where it was at the rodeo

800
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:34,880
center.
>> Yes. It was going to take away a lot of

801
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:37,279
parking for the rodeo.
>> That's why I fought that one and I'm

802
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:41,040
sorry I was
>> Oh no, you're good. I mean that was the

803
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:44,159
spot we wanted to be at. You know, we
didn't get the go-ahehead on that. So,

804
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:46,000
we moved on and found our next best
location.

805
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:50,560
» I didn't know it was
>> what it is. I was sitting right next to

806
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:56,279
Dar here and I didn't know it was Dar
that was the one even in the process

807
01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:56,279
yet.

808
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:02,480
» So, to your question,
>> so we basically say as we say, yeah, it

809
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:07,440
was back in planning and zone to add.
>> Well, and to your question, the

810
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:12,799
publication went out as amendments to
this chapter of the ordinance. So it did

811
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:16,159
not say
>> okay.

812
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:18,560
» So it said amending. So we can still add
that into at the next meeting.

813
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:22,799
» Okay.
>> So it's not going to be an issue.

814
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:24,239
» Yeah. It's going to be September 21st I
believe. Right.

815
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:27,600
» Yes. Y
>> do I need a motion for that?

816
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:30,400
» No.
>> Next meeting.

817
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:33,520
» No, it'll just go back to the next
meeting.

818
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:39,920
» That well I guess give me some
clarification on what your the council's

819
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:47,359
plan is to move forward. So as soon as
they amend the ordinance, the council is

820
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:51,839
going to approve it, I assume. So um yes
and then truly you don't have the only

821
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,839
time you have to come here with your
building permit.

822
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:57,679
» Okay.
>> Yeah. And

823
01:09:54,880 --> 01:10:02,880
» if it's outside any requirements, if
it's if you do not ask for any variances

824
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:07,679
on what you're allowed on that lot,
>> Garrett and I as administrators will

825
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:11,040
approve it. It's only if you would ask
for something outside of our ordinance

826
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,080
that does isn't enough.
>> Okay.

827
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:17,760
» And I don't know how much we have in our
ordinance. The only thing I found about

828
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:22,560
the parking and which is you guys have
one and a half per unit.

829
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:26,880
» Yeah. So this is the only thing I found.
Um

830
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:32,960
said I mean and I think you guys
probably give us more than we know what

831
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:37,360
needs to be done there truly because you
already have it all

832
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:40,560
» designed. Yeah. Oh, at the next council
meeting and you'll amend yours. What are

833
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,760
you saying?
>> So, it's going to do it's going to go to

834
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:48,480
the planning and zoning and they meet on
September 21st.

835
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,840
» Meeting is the 17th. So, it's going to
be October.

836
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:53,120
» October.
>> October.

837
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:57,520
» But truly at this point, I mean, you
guys don't do anything until you start

838
01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:01,600
the
>> Okay. All the process we went through,

839
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:06,400
the signage, the letters, all still
qualified for what we've done here.

840
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:10,960
» Okay. Uh,
did they have to pay something for this

841
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:14,560
for the res?
>> No.

842
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:19,679
» Just the building.
>> Yeah.

843
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:26,800
» So, that that's part of the uh zoning
request. The other part was the changes

844
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:33,920
to the um for the uh Airbnb stuff.
>> Correct. And I was just sharing with the

845
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:38,800
council, you know, the proposed
ordinance changes that Lily had and

846
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:42,640
stuff. Not expecting any action really
on this at all. I didn't know there was

847
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:46,320
going to be question on the reszone
either.

848
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:50,880
Wasn't expecting any action. I just
wanted the council to be informed of

849
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:56,600
what was done at the planning and zoning
and so but it's not going to affect

850
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,600
anything.

851
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:01,520
Okay. Are we done that one?
>> You guys happy?

852
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:05,120
» You guys good?
>> Yeah. We'll just

853
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:07,635
» Yeah. make the amendment and see how it
reads.

854
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:10,000
» Cheaper taxes for you guys, too.
[laughter]

855
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:15,760
» Perfect.
Cheaper taxes for

856
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:21,360
» Okay.
Next on the list is the Industrial Park

857
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:26,719
a bid for the second cutting,
>> which we did not receive any bids on. So

858
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:29,719
there will be no second.
>> Okay.

859
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:43,000
Next on the agenda is the industrial
park land transfers.

860
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:53,199
» All right.
Well, good evening. All right.

861
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:57,199
Hang with me. All right.
like to thank my board for coming and

862
01:12:55,199 --> 01:13:01,360
supporting me in this um and thanking
you allowing for me to speak on about

863
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:05,360
the proposal to transfer the industrial
property to the wall economic

864
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:09,600
development corporation. I want to start
by addressing the biggest concerns I

865
01:13:07,679 --> 01:13:14,159
believe some of you may have. Are we
giving away a city asset and putting the

866
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:18,400
land at risk? My answer is no. This
proposal is not about taking an asset

867
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:22,880
away from the community. It is about
putting an existing community asset into

868
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:27,520
the hands of an organization whose
specific purpose is economic

869
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:32,000
development. WEDC is an arm of the
community. Our mission is to help Wall

870
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:36,800
grow, create opportunities, support
local businesses, attract new

871
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:42,159
businesses, and build a stronger economy
economic future for our community. And I

872
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:47,040
want to be very clear. I am not asking
for all of the city's land. I am asking

873
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:52,159
specifically for the industrial park.
Once replatted, the city the city will

874
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:56,960
still have 116 acres of land surrounding
the airport. The industrial park was

875
01:13:55,040 --> 01:14:02,239
created for economic development.
Transferring it to WEDC puts that asset

876
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:07,679
directly with the organization focused
on using it to create businesses, jobs,

877
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:12,480
investment, and opportunities. It gives
WEDC a stronger balance sheet and allows

878
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:17,199
us to pursue funding opportunities that
may not otherwise be available. funds

879
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:21,840
specifically for economic development
corporations. For example, WEDC is

880
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:27,040
pursuing funding through Dakota
Resources. That funding does not require

881
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:32,320
us to put the industrial park land up as
collateral. The land is being recognized

882
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:36,080
as an asset on our balance sheet. This
is different from borrowing money

883
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:41,920
against the land, putting the property
at risk. So [clears throat] the concerns

884
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:46,159
that WDC could borrow money, default,
and the city could lose the industrial

885
01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:51,280
park is not what was proposed. We are
using the land as an asset to strengthen

886
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:56,640
WDC's uh financial position and its
ability ability to attract outside

887
01:14:53,840 --> 01:15:00,640
resources. This will help us pursue
grants, loans, partnerships, and

888
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:05,760
investments that bring new money into
wall. It can help us create affordable

889
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:10,239
commercial spaces, the trades incubator,
opportunities for entrepreneurs,

890
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:14,719
facilities for growing local businesses,
new businesses and new jobs, and

891
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:19,679
development opportunities that otherwise
might never happen. Let's be honest,

892
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:24,320
Wall has a very real economic
development problem. We don't have

893
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:29,280
enough commercial space outside of the
industrial park. There are very few, if

894
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:33,679
any, options for business that wants to
start and expand. There are not

895
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:38,080
buildings sitting empty that businesses
can simply move into. And while the

896
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:43,520
industrial park provides land, many
small businesses cannot afford to buy a

897
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:46,080
lot and immediately build the building.
That's where [clears throat] the trades

898
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:50,239
business incubator comes in. The
incubator becomes the stepping stone.

899
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:54,960
Local entrepreneurs can start with an
affordable space, establish their

900
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:58,800
business, build customers, hire
employees, and grow. Then when they are

901
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:03,679
ready, they can move into their own
building into the industrial park.

902
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:09,120
That's the grow, the goal. Start here,
grow here, build here, and stay here. We

903
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:14,480
already have a local business committed
to be our anchor tenant. So, this is not

904
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:18,480
just a concept. We have a local local
businesses that need this type of space.

905
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:24,080
We also [clears throat]
have no office spaces. We don't have a

906
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:28,400
supply of offices for someone starting a
professional or service-based business.

907
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:32,560
And with the ending of First
International Bank's office spaces, we

908
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:36,000
have several current businesses that are
in need of offices. There are

909
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:40,239
non-existing [clears throat] buildings
where they can simply create that space.

910
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:44,239
The incubator can help with that, too.
It can provide shop space for trades and

911
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:48,159
office spaces for other small
businesses, giving entrepreneurs

912
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:53,120
somewhere to start without having to
take on the cost of purchasing land and

913
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:56,800
constructing a building on day one. This
helps the entire community. The goal

914
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,960
isn't to keep businesses in the
incubator forever. The goal is to help

915
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:05,679
them succeed and eventually move out and
grow. They grow. When they

916
01:17:03,698 --> 01:17:10,000
[clears throat] grow, they hire people.
When they hire people, we attract

917
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:15,360
families. When businesses build or buy
properties, we grow our tax base. And

918
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:20,400
when businesses succeed, we create more
demand for other businesses and services

919
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:24,480
and wall. That is economic development.
There is another issue that we need to

920
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:27,920
consider. As we sell lots further into
the industrial park, additional

921
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:32,159
infrastructure will eventually be
needed. This is a significant

922
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:37,120
responsibility for the city, especially
considering the city's current and

923
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:40,719
future infrastructure obligations. WEDC
can help by pursuing economic

924
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:44,880
development funds that may be available
to help us with that infrastructure.

925
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:49,679
Instead of the asking the city to carry
the entire burden, WEDC can work to

926
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:54,480
bring in outside dollars for the
project. This proposal also protects the

927
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:59,360
community. What happens if something
goes wrong and WDC dissolves, which is

928
01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:03,199
another important concern? The property
would revert back to the city. The

929
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:07,199
community is not permanently giving up
this asset. There's protections built

930
01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:11,920
into the arrangement that ensures the
industrial park ultimately remains a

931
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:16,640
community asset. I also want to address
another concern. If someday the city

932
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:21,520
itself needs additional resources
because a pump goes down, having the

933
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:26,880
industrial park with WDC could actually
provide another revenue for the

934
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:30,400
community to access funding. WDC may be
able to pursue other resources that are

935
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:35,120
not available to the city in the same
way. So then rather than taking an asset

936
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:39,040
away from the city, we are creating
another community entity capable of

937
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:44,480
leveraging that assets to bring
resources into wall. What doesn't change

938
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:48,719
this transfer does not mean the city
loses all the benefits associated with

939
01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:53,280
the industrial park. Hanging remains the
same. The city will continue to issue

940
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:58,880
the hang bids and receive 100% of the
hanging revenue. The existing land sale

941
01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:04,239
agreement also remains in place with 75%
of the lot sale revenue going to the

942
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:09,600
city and 25% going to WDC to support
ongoing economic development work and

943
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:14,320
build WDC's capacity. So [clears throat]
this isn't about changing everything.

944
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:19,199
It's about changing the hold of an asset
so it can be used more effective for

945
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:24,080
economic development. This is about the
future of wall. I understand the land is

946
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:31,074
valuable. I understand why the council
would be protective of a city asset. You

947
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:34,159
should be. The question is isn't simple.
[clears throat]

948
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:40,080
What does a city give up? We should also
ask what can wall gain. Entrepreneurs

949
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:45,199
can't afford to immediately buy land and
build. We have limited shop space, no

950
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:49,120
office space. The industrial park can
change that. The trades and conveyor

951
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:54,800
gives businesses a place to start. The
industrial park gives them somewhere to

952
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:59,600
grow. We sec can help bring outside
funding to the table. And ultimately,

953
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:04,800
successful businesses create jobs,
family investments, and a stronger task

954
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:10,480
base. We aren't asking the city to give
away an asset. We are asking the city to

955
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:15,360
put the asset to work. What is the
value? What is the value of the land if

956
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:20,320
you simply hold it?
And that could be the same land be worth

957
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:24,239
to Wall if you help us grow and attract
business.

958
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:28,320
Let WEDC use the industrial park to
create opportunities for the next

959
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:32,960
generation of walls businesses and give
people a reason to start, grow, and stay

960
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:37,040
right here. We are not trying to take
something from the city. We're trying to

961
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:42,320
make something more productive out of an
asset the community already owns. At the

962
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:47,360
end of the day, it isn't about WEDC
versus the city. WDC and the city are

963
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:52,400
working towards the same thing, a
stronger wall. Whether the title is held

964
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:57,840
by the city or WBC, the purpose should
remain the same to create opportunity

965
01:20:54,880 --> 01:21:02,880
and improve the future of wall. This is
what our community asked for. I also

966
01:21:00,239 --> 01:21:07,920
wanted to bring back to something very
important. This isn't just our vision.

967
01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:12,080
Our community vision meeting and
community surveys, we have asked people

968
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:16,239
of Wall what they wanted for the future
of this community. And that message has

969
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:20,640
been consistent. They want more
year-round businesses. They want more

970
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:24,640
good paying jobs. They want more
opportunities for local businesses to

971
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:28,719
grow. And they want reasons for our
young people to stay in wall and the

972
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:33,600
reason for them those who leave to come
back. They want a community where their

973
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:38,080
children can be build a future. By
giving WDC this asset, we can move

974
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:43,440
towards fulfilling the need of the
communities without the transfer wall

975
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:47,600
will stagnate. And you will tie WDC's
hands in helping move us forward and

976
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:52,080
helping the community. This isn't about
building something that WPC thinks that

977
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:56,960
we would be nice to have. It's about
responding to what our community has

978
01:21:54,080 --> 01:22:02,560
told us it needs. The opportunity here
is here. The need is here and we have a

979
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:06,239
plan to begin addressing it. You just
need to be willing to put our community

980
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:11,520
asset to work for the future of the
community. I believe transferring the

981
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:16,239
industrial park to WDC gives us a better
tool to accomplish that purpose while

982
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:20,400
maintaining protections for the city and
the community. My board and I

983
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:24,960
respectfully ask the council to approve
the transfer and give WDC the

984
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:28,719
opportunity to put this community asset
to work. Thank you. I'll take any

985
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:33,760
questions.
>> I have one. [laughter] So when I came in

986
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:37,120
the other day, Rashan, this
>> compared the new memorandum that was in

987
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:40,719
our packet to the old one.
>> Mhm.

988
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:46,400
» And there is something under background
and purpose that I question.

989
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:51,920
» And so in that line item, it says that
the industrial park has determined has

990
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:59,120
been determined
to be um surplus for the city.

991
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:04,320
I went back and I could not see in any
of the agendas that that was ever done.

992
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:09,679
» No. So that's the process that'll have
to happen this evening is you guys will

993
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:16,320
have to call it a surplus and then we
can transfer it and then we then we um

994
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:20,639
and then the me the um
meou

995
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:25,040
um comes into effect. So it has never
been surplus but it but that's something

996
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:29,600
that that is part of the process. I just
talked with Carolyn about that before

997
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:37,520
that we would have to change it to
surplus and then you can transfer those

998
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:40,159
85 acres after I replant it and um and
then authorize theou.

999
01:23:39,977 --> 01:23:44,960
[clears throat]
>> So Nathan,

1000
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:49,440
we haven't surplused it yet. We should
not be voting on this yet. Correct.

1001
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:55,600
» I think that's the threshold question. I
mean, the first thing you do before if

1002
01:23:52,400 --> 01:24:01,360
you go down this route and go with this
plan is determine does the city have any

1003
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:06,560
real practical use for this property
anymore? And and so that yeah, the first

1004
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:11,840
thing you do is determine is this is the
property truly surplus for the city. Um,

1005
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:18,639
but before you can do any sort of a
transfer um or or convey it to the

1006
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:23,199
econom economic development corporation,
>> I'd like to make the motion make that

1007
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:27,280
property surplus.
>> Is there a process that we have to go

1008
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:31,280
through to to make it surplus?
>> What what you just did?

1009
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:40,159
» Yeah, I think just a determination that
we don't think it has just been sitting

1010
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:43,600
out there. We made to it. Second.
>> I have a motion in a second. Further

1011
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:47,040
discussion.
>> I do have some more questions and if you

1012
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:51,280
don't mind. [clears throat]
>> So, I loved your presentation and I am

1013
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:56,080
all for what you're doing. Don't get me
wrong.

1014
01:24:52,960 --> 01:25:00,159
I just want to know in my mind what
prevents you or has prevented you from

1015
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:06,080
doing any of this what you just spoke of
which is wonderful for the last three

1016
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:11,040
years. Access to money. I have no money.
I have no balance sheet. I have no

1017
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:16,320
assets. So, I can't I can't tap into
Dakota Resources funding. I I don't I

1018
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:20,800
don't have that. And I need assets on my
balance sheet to be able to do that. And

1019
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:24,639
this is an asset that I would like to
add to it since we're going to be

1020
01:25:22,639 --> 01:25:26,719
developing it anyhow.
>> Are [clears throat] you talking loans?

1021
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:31,199
Are you talking
>> No, I'm talking that Dakota resources

1022
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:35,840
funding which showed that I have assets.
It doesn't put a lean on it. Doesn't

1023
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:38,080
make it collateral. It just says yes,
you have assets.

1024
01:25:36,639 --> 01:25:42,800
» Are you getting a loan?
>> Am I getting a loan?

1025
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:46,880
» Yeah, it is a loan. It's a 10-year
interestonly loan. And most economic

1026
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:50,639
development corporations use that money
and then just keep after the 10 years

1027
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:55,600
renewing it and renewing it and putting
it back into projects. So, it doesn't

1028
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:59,520
have to be just for a specific project.
It can be used for anything economic

1029
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:03,360
development might want to do.
Infrastructure for the industrial part,

1030
01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:06,560
right? if we need money for the pumps
going down, right? Those, right?

1031
01:26:06,044 --> 01:26:10,239
[clears throat]
>> What happened? I mean, the one thing I

1032
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:12,960
haven't seen and I have a huge concern
about is I have not seen a business

1033
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:19,199
plan.
>> Um,

1034
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:25,120
and uh I'm a numbers guy. I like to see
um what our risk is. What are we going

1035
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:27,040
to be committed to? I mean, you just
said you're going to take out a loan.

1036
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,880
» Yeah. [clears throat]
>> Are you going to be asking for the city

1037
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:30,880
for more money?
>> No.

1038
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:35,520
» Uh so, how are you going to pay for
that? The loan will be paid from the

1039
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:38,560
incubator that gets built. That's the
only reason I'm asking for money is to

1040
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:43,360
build the incubator. I already have an
anchor tenant to go in it. I start out

1041
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:45,520
with 20% and move up as as the um
>> But you're also asking for a piece of

1042
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,800
land.
>> Yes.

1043
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:50,480
» But the land will not be it's not going
to be loaned against.

1044
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:54,000
» Okay.
>> Right. It's not going to be collateral.

1045
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,400
They're not going to take that away from
anybody.

1046
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:04,120
» Can I ask what the value of that land
is? How what's the value? you do it off

1047
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:04,120
of the amount that we um

1048
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:17,199
» um off of what we if we sold it for the
a dollar per square foot that we have it

1049
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:19,600
advertised for it's 3.7.
>> So [clears throat]

1050
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:25,600
technically what it's
>> what does the city lose for borrowing

1051
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:29,280
against that asset? They seem to be
short

1052
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:32,639
you would be transferred to them. So the
city's not losing anything or I

1053
01:27:31,860 --> 01:27:38,800
[clears throat] mean
>> new camp or I remember at one point Mary

1054
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:43,440
explaining that
things couldn't happen because it would

1055
01:27:40,719 --> 01:27:45,120
affect what amount the city could
borrow.

1056
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:48,320
» We have a debt limit. Yes.
>> So you have a debt limit,

1057
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:50,719
» but that's the city's debt.
>> Okay.

1058
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:54,400
» But what happens if economic development
we we have a 60-day clause in there.

1059
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:59,760
What happens? We cancel it. What happens
to that debt?

1060
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:04,600
» It's debt and
>> it doesn't it doesn't go back to the

1061
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,600
city.

1062
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:13,280
» I'd really like to see that uh loan
>> the debt doesn't go back to the city.

1063
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:17,840
» No, it stays on.
>> It's a different process for economic

1064
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:23,360
developers. It's it's a different it's
it's Yeah. And if you guys questioning

1065
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:30,000
it, maybe you can get in touch, but it's
not going to be your

1066
01:28:27,199 --> 01:28:34,719
» um I think Christie and I don't know
they they come here and they talk about

1067
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:40,080
it
so many times and that's what everybody

1068
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:45,679
they using this South Dakota resources
to do that stuff because

1069
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:51,280
yeah, they have no other way to access
the money and that's what they they for

1070
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:57,520
living there for years and the way they
they raise their money it's all I don't

1071
01:28:54,800 --> 01:29:03,320
want to call donations but they have to
pay so this money comes from big donors

1072
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,080
so it's a little bit different just like
working with the bank

1073
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,920
» I don't [clears throat] believe they
even actually tell you what you use the

1074
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:15,440
money for they just review what you're
using the money for yearly right

1075
01:29:14,719 --> 01:29:20,080
» so I mean
>> you actually pay your interest and And

1076
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:24,639
like I said, if your 10 year mark hits,
you can reauthorize the loan and then

1077
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:28,320
you can dump that back in.
>> You got to make sure the money helping

1078
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:31,600
the community,
>> right?

1079
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:35,040
» So, will it allow you for the quarterly
interest payment? So, what would your

1080
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:41,040
quarterly interest payment be on a $3
million loan? [clears throat]

1081
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:47,600
» My um so the debt for the incubator is
um 63,000

1082
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:52,480
a year, I believe. And that's the first
the first four years it would be in debt

1083
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:57,600
and that's what part of the loan is,
right? Um but it it would come out of

1084
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,760
the rents.
>> So you have a business plan,

1085
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,719
» huh?
>> You do have a business plan.

1086
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:08,400
» I just gave it to you.
>> Sorry, I was talking.

1087
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:11,600
» Yes.
Yeah. I I haven't just I didn't just

1088
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:18,320
come up with this on the whim. I've been
working on this for a while. So, um,

1089
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:23,199
like I said, the first three to four
years it would run in debt,

1090
01:30:20,842 --> 01:30:28,880
[clears throat] but I have worked into
my budget, which doesn't show in here,

1091
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:34,639
money set aside to pay the debt until we
start cash flowing it. And if we don't

1092
01:30:31,679 --> 01:30:39,360
dump the money back into anything else,
everything would be paid off in in 12

1093
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:42,639
years for 11th years and then and then
the 12th year for Dakota resources.

1094
01:30:42,457 --> 01:30:47,360
[clears throat]
>> And what happens if you would postpone

1095
01:30:44,719 --> 01:30:50,639
this a year or two?
>> Well, then we're just sitting and I

1096
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:55,520
already have I have people that are
interested in moving into that

1097
01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:59,840
incubator. And like I said, these small
businesses can't buy the land and build

1098
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:04,000
something. So, they're going to end up
going to Phillip or going somewhere else

1099
01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:08,400
because we don't have anywhere here for
them to build. I'm trying to create a

1100
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:12,639
space for them to do that.
>> And the original agreement too is you

1101
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:16,239
guys get 75%.
>> No, you guys.

1102
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:18,880
» Or you get 75% and you get 25% and
that's going to be the same agreement.

1103
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,719
» Yep.
>> When we do

1104
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:24,719
» when we sell them out. Yeah.
>> Just for asset closing.

1105
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:28,719
» Yep. You'll still get that. And we pay
for all closing costs out of ours, but

1106
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:34,400
the real are out of ours. So you guys
get that straight 75% and then we take

1107
01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:38,159
that money and dump that back into more
economic growth

1108
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:42,560
» paying down this loan.
>> First of all, I want to say we I support

1109
01:31:40,239 --> 01:31:46,239
uh WEDC and want to have a good work
relationship as well. [clears throat]

1110
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:52,719
» The city is the biggest investor
>> in WC. So we do have a we do have a very

1111
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:58,000
uh vested interest in your success
>> and very symbiotic. Um [clears throat]

1112
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:02,239
» we do need to find a way to make the
industrial park uh successful.

1113
01:32:00,719 --> 01:32:06,880
» Um you know I had the original
memorandum here from uh 2020.

1114
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,520
» So
>> that was part of that. I was trying to

1115
01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:14,159
remember.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1116
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:19,760
» Yeah. And
you know I agree that memorandum of

1117
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:26,080
understanding needs to be u updated. I'm
just not sold on transferring at this at

1118
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:29,679
this point. Um, I'm a numbers guy.
>> I like to see a business plan. I don't

1119
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:37,199
like it tossed on me at at the last
minute. That's frustrating.

1120
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:40,000
Um, and uh,
if you do take out loans, I understand

1121
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:45,040
there might be some different things
there. Um, but still the risk is on the

1122
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:48,719
city.
It is. I mean, if if the thing

1123
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:51,760
dissolves,
we might be stuck with a building that's

1124
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:56,320
empty. Mhm. [clears throat]
>> Um, we might be stuck with, you know,

1125
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:59,520
potentially a loan if you did a loan on
the building that are fiddling against.

1126
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:03,040
There's nothing to say you can't do
that.

1127
01:33:00,719 --> 01:33:08,560
» Um, so I would really like to see a
business plan um solidified. What are

1128
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:12,320
your expenses? What is it going to cost
to build out this industrial park?

1129
01:33:11,144 --> 01:33:15,440
[clears throat]
>> Just the incubator, industrial park,

1130
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:18,719
those are two different things.
>> Well, you should have a a, you know,

1131
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:21,120
five-year plan on what you're going to
do. the incubator and the industrial

1132
01:33:20,719 --> 01:33:23,679
park.
>> Yes,

1133
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:28,960
» they're two separate things.
>> Uh they're kind of one and the same, but

1134
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:34,000
» they're two separate things.
>> The the the industrial park does have a

1135
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:40,239
plan and phases to go into it, but it
has to sell stuff. The incubator is one

1136
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:44,639
lot and that's it. And that has a um
that has a I have a 10-year plan for

1137
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:48,400
that to have that all paid off and and
producing what what what did I say it

1138
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:52,800
was going to produce? But that also took
away 75% of our revenue for that lot

1139
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:55,440
that we were going to get.
>> So I [clears throat] would think that

1140
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:59,920
the memorandum of understanding would
need to be updated. I'm willing to work

1141
01:33:57,440 --> 01:34:03,520
with you guys to update that. I'm right
now I'm not supportive. I don't have a

1142
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:07,600
vote
>> and so um it's really kind of up to the

1143
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:15,120
council what they want to do.
>> Um but uh um I I think we also have some

1144
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:20,575
lack of transparency um in this whole
arena. I mean, you you dump the uh uh

1145
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:23,760
business plan on us at last minute
[clears throat]

1146
01:34:21,199 --> 01:34:28,000
and whether it be between WDC and the
council or vice versa, we just need has

1147
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:31,440
as much transparency as possible. And I
think there's [clears throat] been some

1148
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:36,880
of that that question out there. I also
feel at this time both ent entities have

1149
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:41,440
an image problem in the community and uh
being more transparent is one way to get

1150
01:34:38,639 --> 01:34:48,085
that and I think we need to um address
that issue as well. But, um, if I know I

1151
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:50,880
don't have a say, but, um,
[clears throat]

1152
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:57,040
» well, the land transfer, I'll be honest,
the the incubator, I just recently got

1153
01:34:53,760 --> 01:35:02,080
that tenant signed on, right? So until I
had a tenant in there that was kind of

1154
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:06,560
still one of my projects, that money, if
we wanted to use it for something else

1155
01:35:03,679 --> 01:35:11,040
in town, we could have, but I can't even
start accessing or looking at doing

1156
01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:14,800
other projects or anything else until I
have an asset.

1157
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:19,120
» Can [clears throat] I ask one quick
question? So why would we start with

1158
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:21,920
just transferring the one parcel you is
want to build this?

1159
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:27,760
» Because that won't be enough to get the
money. the one parcel will not be enough

1160
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:34,080
to get the money for
>> seems to me as a council us council keep

1161
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:39,600
tying economic development's hands we
don't let them do anything as and I'm

1162
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:45,040
not quite sure on your statement sorry
about that transparency I think if we're

1163
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:49,679
going to discuss it we should discuss it
right now we're here discussing what

1164
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:54,639
problems are we having between us
council and economic development

1165
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:58,000
I do not
one is you know you just said it's a

1166
01:35:56,639 --> 01:36:02,000
dollar
>> dollar square foot is the market price

1167
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:05,920
that it is marketed at
>> and it is advertised at

1168
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:10,800
» and we've had this for six years and
we've heard about plenty of people

1169
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:16,960
coming in and plenty of opportunities
and nothing's materialized.

1170
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:20,960
Um, again, 6 years. I'd rather us be
successful at selling some of these lots

1171
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:26,239
before we uh move forward.
>> These lots take a long time and it takes

1172
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:33,360
a long time to plan these. Stures
develop theirs and it took them 20 years

1173
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:38,480
to sell their first lot. So, it's this
if I can develop the one lot,

1174
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:43,679
I hate to say it, but if you build it,
they will come. And sometimes there are

1175
01:36:41,679 --> 01:36:48,800
things that I'm working on that I cannot
discuss with people because of

1176
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:53,360
confidentiality with businesses. So, and
I'm not trying to be non-transparent,

1177
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:56,719
but that is just the way economic
development works across the country.

1178
01:36:56,467 --> 01:36:59,440
» [clears throat]
>> But even this memorandum of of

1179
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:05,119
understanding that there's some things
in here that um it doesn't say you're

1180
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:10,560
limiting it one at you're basically
wanting the first investor to be at uh

1181
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:15,600
what 20% of
uh the market price.

1182
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:20,639
» I am not we if you want to discuss that
we need to go into executive session

1183
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:24,800
because that is not for public show. So
>> Mr. Mayor, may I make a few comments?

1184
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:30,080
Yes. And I I don't want this to be
construed as policy or what I think of

1185
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:35,920
it because I I don't these are just
legal suggestions. Um

1186
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:41,520
um and I think I've stated this in other
context, but I I don't really like

1187
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:48,880
umus
are um largely uninforceable.

1188
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:54,000
um especially when they have a
termination provision on 60 days. My

1189
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:58,880
question would be what happens after 60
days? Um

1190
01:37:57,119 --> 01:38:06,239
I think termination provisions in
general are good. Um but um right now

1191
01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:14,239
you the the two organizations, the city
and economic development would only be

1192
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:18,080
engaged uh for 60 days and and then you
could go their separate ways. And so,

1193
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:24,800
um, I have questions about the
consequences of what if one of you

1194
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:33,679
decides to terminate it. Um,
I would um I would suggest a detailed um

1195
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:40,080
if you're going to go this route, a
detailed development agreement

1196
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:46,800
um that um says who's going to be
responsible for costs of subdivision,

1197
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:53,280
what's the timeline um in which economic
development or whomever is going to

1198
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:59,920
subdivide? Um and um and again what
happens on on termination or dissolution

1199
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:04,719
um if there is an allocation of of
distributions

1200
01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:09,840
um that's fine. um that could almost be
postured as a mortgage in favor of the

1201
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:14,719
city so that you know when it goes to
close anything that's going to pull up

1202
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:20,239
on the title record and um then they're
going to know that the proceeds 75% need

1203
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:29,280
to go to the city for example. Um, so
just a couple of things I would suggest

1204
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:34,080
to um kind of fortify an MOU. Um, not
not that um

1205
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:37,440
you know it can't be done or that this
isn't a good starting point for

1206
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:41,760
discussion, but those are kind of a
couple of suggestions I might have for

1207
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:47,600
the council.
>> So I have a question for you.

1208
01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:51,920
» There there's been a number of people
and a number

1209
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:59,639
who have come and obviously asked
questions um gotten to the point I mean

1210
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:59,639
even before you were in that position.

1211
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:09,760
Can you tell us
what one of the biggest hurdles is that

1212
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:16,560
hasn't got somebody out there yet
even prior to your position? Um kind of

1213
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:21,360
our biggest hurdle and these gentlemen
are solving part of it is businesses

1214
01:40:19,679 --> 01:40:25,119
look at our area and they're like that's
great. Where are my people going to

1215
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:31,040
live?
And we've been working on develop park.

1216
01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:36,159
They're putting in apartments. So that's
one of the biggest hurdles that we need

1217
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:41,520
to overcome is there's no place for it
because even our existing businesses

1218
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:45,440
have that golden west electric teachers
right we've lost teachers because they

1219
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:52,639
can't find affordable housing in our
town so and we've been working on that.

1220
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:56,639
It's sort of a the everything kind of
goes together. You need the workforce,

1221
01:40:54,320 --> 01:41:01,119
you need the housing, you need the land,
you need the shovel ready. So,

1222
01:40:58,820 --> 01:41:03,440
[clears throat] um, and I've been on a
campaign, I'll be honest, a lot of

1223
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:09,520
people didn't even know we had an
infrastructure.

1224
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:16,320
» So, I can say private work. I can answer
this question. It's local people, not

1225
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:23,679
other businesses, but who has
entrepreneur money. It's a cost. It's a

1226
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:32,159
cost trying to build something here.
And there is nothing to move in in here.

1227
01:41:29,119 --> 01:41:38,400
It's for those who are here, local
people. Like Jerry just bought this

1228
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:44,000
property for the rodeo
>> rodeo grounds. Yeah. Besides these guys,

1229
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:48,080
I mean that's what we probably have. You
guys have a reputation. They're not very

1230
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:50,480
friendly to new businesses coming to
town.

1231
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:54,960
» How many years have you been working on
yours? Well, that's how long

1232
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:58,480
she's been working on. I mean,
everything takes a long time.

1233
01:41:56,159 --> 01:42:00,800
» Takes a long time. So, I mean, if I
could snap my fingers, put somebody in

1234
01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:03,760
there.
>> I would.

1235
01:42:03,665 --> 01:42:08,480
[clears throat]
>> So, another question that I have because

1236
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:12,400
you you deal with some of the housing
stuff, too.

1237
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:18,000
» You know, I've had a number of people
tell me that we call a lot of our

1238
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:20,000
housing affordable housing. Would you
call it that?

1239
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:23,840
» No, I would not.
>> Do the people who are coming to this

1240
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:26,639
area or looking for housing, do they
call it affordable housing?

1241
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:30,239
» They do not. So, what are we looking for
to solve that?

1242
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:33,600
» The apartments are [laughter] um our
housing stock, I'm going to be honest,

1243
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:39,280
our housing stock is eaten up by piece
of workers. We have 20 to 30 entrylevel

1244
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:44,719
houses that would be affordable that are
used for five to six months out of the

1245
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:49,920
year and then locked up. Those would be
perfect homes to put new workers in

1246
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:56,080
rent. They could be turned into rentals
for workforce to come in here, but

1247
01:42:53,360 --> 01:43:00,480
they're locked up and I mean, we also
need those homes, too. We need places

1248
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:04,639
for our visa workers because we need
hundreds of people in the summer, right?

1249
01:43:02,639 --> 01:43:11,679
We don't have that in walls, so we have
to transplant. But I have a solution for

1250
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:16,719
that, too. Anyone's interested. But um
that would require some people to give

1251
01:43:13,679 --> 01:43:22,800
up those homes or turn them into rentals
for year round residents because if you

1252
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:29,471
talk to Cheyenne, she's got a 20 to 30
weight list of people looking for a home

1253
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:32,960
or a rental in this area.
[clears throat]

1254
01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:37,440
I don't know what our percentage of is
for full-time job versus part-time in

1255
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:44,560
this community, but I'm pretty sure
part-time is way higher than

1256
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:49,199
» fulltime. You can't buy a $350,000 house
and think it's an affordable house on a

1257
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:53,760
part-time job. Let me tell you, that's
why when we do get them people that come

1258
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:58,320
over here from overseas, they work three
part-time jobs a day,

1259
01:43:55,520 --> 01:44:03,360
» send all that money home.
>> But we can't. Yeah,

1260
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:09,280
» it's a multi multiaceted problem, right?
And we're trying to solve it on many

1261
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:15,040
different fronts, but it takes time. So,
and I would like to, you know, help some

1262
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:19,840
of our local businesses that would like
to expand, that would like to have space

1263
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:23,600
out there, but they can't necessarily
buy a lot and build a building. They

1264
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:29,119
don't have much resources. And that's
where economic development comes in is

1265
01:44:25,679 --> 01:44:32,000
to support that growth. And in order to
do that any funding.

1266
01:44:31,697 --> 01:44:36,560
[clears throat]
>> I would like to see our economic

1267
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:40,800
development grow. I made a motion to
show support and I would like somebody

1268
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:44,142
to move on that motion. I would like to
see a vote.

1269
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:48,880
» I got a second order. I have
[clears throat] a motion and second. Any

1270
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:52,880
further discussion?
All in favor say I.

1271
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:55,280
» All opposed.
>> I

1272
01:44:53,600 --> 01:45:00,239
» I
motion carries. Um, I do plan on vetoing

1273
01:44:58,320 --> 01:45:04,080
it uh because of some transparency
issues. Um,

1274
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:09,920
you know, you guys are more than welcome
to uh you vote, but I I truly feel like

1275
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:16,080
we have not [clears throat]
been open and honest with uh the council

1276
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:19,760
and uh dropping a business plan on us at
last minute is very

1277
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:23,840
» just one project I could go down. I
could do many other multiple projects

1278
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:30,320
but that one I finally got somebody
signed up to be in that space and I need

1279
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:33,360
two people to make that start. So
>> and we have said that about the

1280
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:36,960
industrial park as well and we're six
years into it.

1281
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:42,080
» Yeah. But to even help with any other
projects, housing projects, workforce

1282
01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:47,119
development, building office spaces. I
got four people that are desperate for

1283
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:51,040
office spaces and we don't have that
either. these people are in the stream

1284
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:56,080
community. So
>> yeah, you know, most most businesses

1285
01:45:53,280 --> 01:46:00,719
that actually own or make these kind of
multiple or huge contributions have a

1286
01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:05,363
bigger say and really the only person
that has a say right now is me on there

1287
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:08,400
and uh I do get a little frustrated
[clears throat] with that.

1288
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:14,320
» I would like to see a little bit of a
change in the uh board of the uh

1289
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:18,518
economic development. How many of you
guys actually live in the city?

1290
01:46:16,498 --> 01:46:18,518
[clears throat]

1291
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:25,040
I didn't know you had it in the city.
>> No, you don't have to, but there's no

1292
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:28,159
safe really from the city residents on
the industrial park.

1293
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:33,360
» They're welcome to run out. We have
elections every but I'm being honest

1294
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:38,000
with you of my concerns.
>> Yeah. And and

1295
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:45,760
we have the same word all across. Yes.
So these project costs

1296
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:51,280
you have had developers come in and you
have itemizations.

1297
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:56,320
» Yeah, I I actually been working with
>> somebody has designed this and costed it

1298
01:46:53,440 --> 01:47:02,320
out for me. So that's where that price
comes from. So, [clears throat]

1299
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:05,520
» so in in all of my stuff that I
received, I'm new to this council

1300
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:10,639
» and
>> I didn't realize we were looking at a

1301
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:13,040
building, I guess, until I didn't
realize you were planning on building a

1302
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:16,159
building.
>> Did you um

1303
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:19,199
» Oh, I missed something.
>> I Maybe you didn't get this.

1304
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:23,520
» Did not.
>> I just handled that.

1305
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:29,040
» Well, I just got this that you handed
me.

1306
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:34,280
Oh, I don't have anything else.
>> All right. Yes.

1307
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:34,280
» Okay. Motion carries.

1308
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:44,000
» Well, that was the motion to surplus the
land. I'm just being honest with you.

1309
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:49,600
So, that didn't say you transfer it. You
just surplused it. So now if you wanted

1310
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:54,400
to take Nathan's suggestions and fix
that, we can maybe discuss it at the

1311
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:58,480
next council meeting about actually
transferring it, right? And make sure it

1312
01:47:56,480 --> 01:48:04,880
puts in the stuff that you were talking
about if the the city would like that,

1313
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:09,920
which would also give you all I plan
to look at.

1314
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:15,280
» I did have some questions about MU.
>> Okay.

1315
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:22,480
» And this question for you. So if uh and
you already

1316
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:29,920
know but um it's a claim
and they say it's going to be reverted.

1317
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:36,239
Uh so my question is uh is it title
company or lender or

1318
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:41,119
attorney are they really going to base
it on

1319
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:47,280
what needs to be actually
>> it's really

1320
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:54,880
ultimately it's going to come down
>> be a separate like agreement about

1321
01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:59,760
» yes
>> because I assume it's something indeed.

1322
01:48:57,040 --> 01:49:03,920
So maybe
>> you can have the word version and be too

1323
01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:11,280
» you can
>> but there's more than one way to skin a

1324
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:15,040
cat. But um I I think um what's
not that you have to follow the the road

1325
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:21,119
map that other communities do, but I
think what most communities do is um

1326
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:26,000
they they would do a a quick claim be
just a gift or a gift, but then they

1327
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:31,679
would have another document um a
development agreement that's that

1328
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:38,560
outlines um responsibilities and the
consequences and um a little bit more

1329
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:43,520
concrete and and you may even go record
something behind it um to ensure that

1330
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:49,119
proceeds are distributed like a
mortgage, some sort of a lean in favor

1331
01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:55,119
of the city.
the surplus um decision is really just

1332
01:49:52,000 --> 01:50:01,840
kind of step one I think and and quite
honestly I mean even to answer your

1333
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:06,639
question um all the women should that u
you could go have it appraised now that

1334
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:12,000
it's determined as surplus and you might
decide we'd rather market this for a

1335
01:50:09,119 --> 01:50:16,400
private sale. Um so you could go a
couple different routes. You could

1336
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:21,440
appraise it and sell it and recoup um
that way or you could gift it to a

1337
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:27,880
nonprofit like economic development and
let them run with it under an agreement

1338
01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:27,880
that you'll get a kick back.

1339
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:41,600
So I think you're on step one
and sounds like there's going to be

1340
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:45,520
further discussion on whether you want
to take step two. Kansas City.

1341
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:50,800
» See, and that's that's the reason for
for my no vote on it as I I think that

1342
01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:58,239
there's just some details and some
questions that that I think just need a

1343
01:50:54,880 --> 01:51:03,760
little bit of clarity and advice and
just, you know, so

1344
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:08,960
» so I would appreciate that extra piece
of paper. Nancy said he got it in an

1345
01:51:05,679 --> 01:51:14,719
email. I did not get it in an email.
>> Interesting. Um, so what are the the

1346
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:20,000
things we want to clarify because I
would like to create that document and

1347
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:23,840
bring it back to the next meeting. So
what are our concerns and what would we

1348
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:28,800
like to to create?
>> I if I can interject I think some of

1349
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:34,000
these discussions are I mean this agenda
item has passed. I think some of these

1350
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:38,000
discussions are maybe
outside of this meeting, maybe in

1351
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:43,040
preparation for the next one, maybe even
out without a quorum. Um, we can have

1352
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:50,639
» have a committee set up.
>> Yeah, we actually have Mike and Jerry

1353
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:53,360
and uh are on the economic development
uh committee.

1354
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:56,480
» Okay.
>> And as well as myself. So,

1355
01:51:55,679 --> 01:52:02,960
» okay, that's a great [clears throat]
idea. Just to clarify, the land transfer

1356
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:08,639
doesn't mean I mean if you do end up
passing it, it doesn't mean that the

1357
01:52:05,360 --> 01:52:16,719
incubator is our only project. It's just
an idea. It may not pass or it may not

1358
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:21,360
what I trying to say. Yeah, it may not
materialize, but then we would have the

1359
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:29,760
borrowing capacity to be able to do
something else with that money to help

1360
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:34,880
build office spaces. So I mean the uh
incubator shouldn't be the determination

1361
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:40,480
of a make or break on this the transfer
of the land because it's just one idea

1362
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:46,480
that we can do and if that idea doesn't
pan out we're going to go down different

1363
01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:50,639
idea. So it's just a portion it's just
an idea of a project

1364
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:55,199
» which is also why I did
>> that can all be spelled out. Yeah. Okay.

1365
01:52:53,199 --> 01:53:01,440
» Which the whole point is just to show
that they have some asset so they can

1366
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:06,480
have the opportunity to work with the go
resources. Right now we're not letting

1367
01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:10,880
them show that they have any we're tying
their hands. I'm sorry is what I feel.

1368
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:16,280
» Fair enough. I think it's time to move
on to the next. [clears throat]

1369
01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,280
» Okay.

1370
01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:21,320
» Yeah, Wayne's here. Wayne is here.

1371
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:41,280
the 2027 membership paperwork. New tiers
should be out by the new tiers. We've

1372
01:53:37,599 --> 01:53:47,199
changed up the way we're um
putting members in. They go in as tiers

1373
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:53,199
as employee based memberships now. So it
allows allows the chamber to pick a tier

1374
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:58,159
that maybe best fits a business.
Also, we're always looking new ways,

1375
01:53:55,679 --> 01:54:04,400
promote, help you succeed. If you have
any questions, stop into the office and

1376
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:11,040
don't just meet Michaela, meet Brooke,
meet Rashan, meet

1377
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:16,000
her again, [laughter] meet Jeff if he's
here. So you meet everybody in the

1378
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:20,320
office. There are new people here and
some of the ch some of the chamber

1379
01:54:17,679 --> 01:54:25,040
members should be in here and hopefully
uh soon Michaela will start getting out

1380
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:30,719
and visiting some of the our chamber
members also. So also the individual

1381
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:36,320
memberships are
in they're designed for individual

1382
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:41,679
members who want to join if they're not
don't belong to a business. They might

1383
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:47,119
be retired and might just not work. They
can be a chamber.

1384
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:52,960
And some upcoming events, we've got the
September 25th homecoming supper wall

1385
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:59,280
football game.
Should be a good one, I believe. Annual

1386
01:54:56,719 --> 01:55:04,159
craft fair Saturday, November November
7th. It's first Saturday November. And

1387
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:10,239
Michaela will be getting more
information out on that. And

1388
01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:16,239
that's all she had. No.
>> Can I ask?

1389
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:19,719
» We're waiting for one invoice to get our
chamber stuff.

1390
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:28,719
» Did you [clears throat] say where the se
the homecoming supp will be same place

1391
01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:33,440
it was last year by the CPU room and
around by the gym there. So it worked

1392
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:37,760
out pretty well last year.
>> It'll be from 5 to 6:30 this year. last

1393
01:55:36,159 --> 01:55:42,400
year 6:30
>> at the game time

1394
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:49,119
» be all day
and they'll probably be turkey bing too.

1395
01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:54,280
» Any questions?
Any questions for Wayne? Thanks Wayne

1396
01:55:55,679 --> 01:56:02,480
report
Mary stole some of my thunder there. Um,

1397
01:56:01,420 --> 01:56:07,040
[laughter]
so I did we did get a report back on

1398
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:14,480
Energized Conference and that economic
impact and like Mary said um almost

1399
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:20,480
$53,000 in economic impact between food,
shopping, fuel, and um and that um we we

1400
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:26,639
had um
>> people really loved the um the food that

1401
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:31,280
was down here and um the entertainment
of going to the dark skies and the bad

1402
01:56:28,639 --> 01:56:35,920
lands. Um and they loved holding the
sessions and going into our local

1403
01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:40,400
businesses. Um the uh lots happening in
Wall, which uh Mary did for us. People

1404
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:44,400
loved that. Um they loved to hear what
we were doing and were really impressed

1405
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:48,639
with everything that was going on. We
actually had to turn people away from

1406
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:53,520
that event because the bus was full. Um
so I want to this was a very successful

1407
01:56:51,760 --> 01:56:58,000
energized conference. If anyone wants to
read the reports in my office um to

1408
01:56:56,159 --> 01:57:01,520
thank the school, they donated the bus.
They brought some kids down to help us.

1409
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:05,599
Um, I want to thank the community for
letting us go into their businesses and

1410
01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:11,360
um, just the town in general. You guys
were always warm and welcome. Um, one of

1411
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:16,719
the somebody that came to that energized
conference actually booked the um, the

1412
01:57:14,960 --> 01:57:22,000
community center to hold one of their
seminars. Um, and they sent us a very

1413
01:57:19,599 --> 01:57:26,719
lovely thank you note. Um, it said,
"Thank you so much for hosting our South

1414
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:30,400
Dakota agricultural and rural leadership
class last week in Wall. We enjoyed

1415
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:35,280
meeting you and your community's
hospitality was outstanding. Something

1416
01:57:33,040 --> 01:57:38,560
you should all be proud to know." So, I
just wanted to share that with you.

1417
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:42,400
Wall, thank you so much for being
welcoming to everybody that comes in.

1418
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:46,320
Um, and then I have two more things.
Next week, we start our lunch and

1419
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:52,239
learns. Um,
West River Electric will be here um

1420
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:55,760
providing that. Um, that's at noon. Um,
if you just want to go, give me a heads

1421
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:59,840
up so I can put you on the list to make
sure we got enough room for you. Um, I

1422
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:03,280
have QR codes that you can sign up or
you can just call me personally. And,

1423
01:58:01,840 --> 01:58:08,400
um, we're doing the small business
basics with SCSU. We're hosting that.

1424
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:13,040
Um, we pushed it back, um, to get some
more people for to register. And it

1425
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:17,520
actually starts October 26th and runs
through the end of November or just the

1426
01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:21,280
1st of December depending upon when the
participants want it because that's

1427
01:58:19,119 --> 01:58:26,159
right after Thanksgiving. So there's a
the end date is flexible. Um but we have

1428
01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:31,520
a breakdown of what's going on there. Um
economic development investors uh get to

1429
01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:35,520
do that class for free. Um, so I if
you're interested in that, please let us

1430
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:40,080
know because it's it's a fabulous class
and great for uh anybody interested in

1431
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:44,800
entrepreneurship or starting your own
business or even updating your your

1432
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:48,960
current business's business plan and
that kind of stuff. So, um, reach out to

1433
01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:51,199
me if you have anything. Any questions
for me?

1434
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:53,360
» Any questions?
>> Are you getting more people signed up

1435
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:56,159
for that now?
>> Um, yeah, I've got a couple more people

1436
01:58:54,800 --> 01:59:01,840
for the small business basics. Yeah,
I've got a couple more people. It's open

1437
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:03,599
until October 5th now, I believe, is
when

1438
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:08,800
» How many people do you not have?
>> I I have um

1439
01:59:06,639 --> 01:59:10,239
No, I have three people signed up right
now.

1440
01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:13,599
» And how many do you need?
>> I need 15 or they will cancel the class.

1441
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:15,599
So,
>> how many did you say, Michelle?

1442
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:20,880
» 15.
>> She Yeah, she has three.

1443
01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:25,119
» And I have three. So, yeah. And the max
is 25. [clears throat]

1444
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:30,080
» So, but that's open until October 5th.
So gave that bottom one for people to

1445
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:34,080
sign up for that still. So
and SDS was who did the energize

1446
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:37,280
conference. So they are a great group of
people.

1447
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:41,760
So
>> all right questions

1448
01:59:40,159 --> 01:59:46,320
questions.
>> Thanks for

1449
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:48,880
next on the agenda, finance officer.
>> I have a question.

1450
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:53,948
» Yes.
>> Uh did we bypass the public comment

1451
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:55,040
section of this?
>> [clears throat]

1452
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:58,639
» We did not.
>> No,

1453
01:59:56,639 --> 02:00:03,920
» I didn't hear a call. They didn't call
have it end. I never heard a call.

1454
02:00:01,599 --> 02:00:07,119
» Lex actually got up and then sat back
down.

1455
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:12,000
» But was that public comment?
>> And he called say that any more public

1456
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:19,679
comment.
>> I thought I thought of 16.

1457
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:23,679
» No, he sat down and went back to seven.
>> Go ahead and let him speak.

1458
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:26,679
» He did. You can do it for discussion.
Okay.

1459
02:00:32,639 --> 02:00:38,280
» I think we should do public.
>> Um,

1460
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:45,920
» we can do a public comment here. I know
I I had called it a couple times, but

1461
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:53,040
uh, you get three minutes.
I just have some procedure questions

1462
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:58,400
and I've talked to several council
members about this and my biggest

1463
02:00:55,440 --> 02:01:01,400
question is uh why did the city have a
recount?

1464
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:13,400
» Because Mary asked for a recount.
>> Okay. Uh what was the official posted

1465
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:13,400
count certified with the state?

1466
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:18,520
It has to be certified with the state
vote.

1467
02:01:19,199 --> 02:01:23,679
» This isn't an opportunity to ask
questions of city attorney.

1468
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:26,159
» Okay, never mind that.
>> Okay, you can make your comments.

1469
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:28,400
» Okay, this is Yeah, you guys can just
think about it yourselves.

1470
02:01:27,199 --> 02:01:33,920
» Make your comments.
>> Okay, good. Okay. And then the other

1471
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:37,679
thing is our election. I've had comments
that our election there was parts of it

1472
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:42,639
didn't count because it was a municipal
election, which I don't understand

1473
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:47,280
because the city of Sou Falls had a
recount on their mayoral election.

1474
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:51,040
It was recounted and reertified and all
that. And I'd like to know if ours is

1475
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:53,599
the same as Sou Falls or if it's
different.

1476
02:01:52,159 --> 02:01:58,080
» So you guys can figure that out, just
let me know because I've had people ask

1477
02:01:55,840 --> 02:02:01,679
me, you know, kind of what went on and I
said I'd call and find out. So now you

1478
02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:04,880
guys got an idea of what you can think
talk about and go from there. So there

1479
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:08,639
you go.
>> Thank you for your comment.

1480
02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:15,280
» Next [clears throat] on the agenda,
finance officer report. Should [snorts]

1481
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:18,320
» um
>> yeah,

1482
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:23,840
» I don't have a lot to report on. Um just
been busy in the office with typical

1483
02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:30,320
stuff. I have started
putting my spreadsheet together for the

1484
02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:36,639
budget. Um, those are due, the requests
are due in on Tuesday the 8th. So then I

1485
02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:42,400
will start putting those numbers in as
well as just our normal expense in for

1486
02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:48,719
the city.
Um, [clears throat] I did receive an

1487
02:02:45,040 --> 02:02:55,760
email. It's from the community forestry
uh grant. We just received this um to

1488
02:02:52,800 --> 02:03:00,560
put the trees in up at the park. This is
something that gets offered every year.

1489
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:03,440
Um,
last year there was an issue with it

1490
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:11,679
because we actually applied for that
grant in 2024 but couldn't finish it

1491
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:18,000
until 2026 early year. So, but um
typically it's done in one year. So, we

1492
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:24,520
have the opportunity to
um apply for that grant. Again, it's

1493
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:24,520
100% um

1494
02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:35,520
matching. So, like our it was $5,000 for
the grant at the park. The city

1495
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:42,560
puts 2500 in and that can be for inind
it doesn't have to be um expenses or

1496
02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:48,000
anything. And then the state will uh
give us the 2500 as well. So, just

1497
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:53,199
wanted to bring that up in case anybody
had any ideas where there could maybe be

1498
02:03:51,199 --> 02:03:57,199
another opportunity for some more trees
to be put any place. Um,

1499
02:03:55,760 --> 02:04:00,800
» couldn't we do something at the golf
course when

1500
02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:08,480
» we have done in the past, but I felt
like we did that two years in a row. Um,

1501
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:13,679
that maybe we just needed to let this be
open to the public in case there was any

1502
02:04:10,719 --> 02:04:18,400
concerns of any other place. Um it would
have to be an organization that would

1503
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:22,560
and of course the golf course is city
property. Um

1504
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:27,520
this wouldn't go for just a personal
property owner, you know, type thing.

1505
02:04:24,719 --> 02:04:33,679
» And so just want to make that clear.
>> Um so just wanted to get it out there.

1506
02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:39,920
The grant is not due until October 2nd,
but they do suggest that we get it

1507
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:44,239
submitted by the middle of September or
no later than the 20th because the guy

1508
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:49,760
that helps us with this, his name is
Josh Larson. He reviews it for us and

1509
02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:56,960
make sure that if there's any thing that
we need to add or whatever so that it's

1510
02:04:52,000 --> 02:05:01,599
a good finished product to submit. So,
>> couldn't the city park use some more

1511
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:04,000
trees on that north side of the park?
Wish Garrett was here that we could ask

1512
02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:07,751
that
>> there was trees.

1513
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:07,751
» Um, [clears throat]

1514
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:16,400
trees on the north side.
>> I'm just wondering would this be able to

1515
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:19,040
take
>> I I think I took some from the school

1516
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:23,520
one year.
>> Yeah, we didn't take uh trees from the

1517
02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:26,880
school. moved them
>> move them to the east,

1518
02:05:24,639 --> 02:05:28,560
» but that was a location thing. I'm
pretty sure

1519
02:05:27,599 --> 02:05:33,119
» that location.
>> Yeah, they were.

1520
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:38,000
» I mean, possibly they would just
>> they would have to somehow reimburse the

1521
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:41,440
city for any expenses. You know, it's
always been on the city property that

1522
02:05:39,679 --> 02:05:45,920
the trees have been done.
>> Um, but

1523
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:50,239
like I said, the golf course before, but
that's city property. So, so South

1524
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:55,760
Boulevard is all I suppose there's some
dead there was some dead trees in South

1525
02:05:52,159 --> 02:06:00,080
Boulevard. They may be removed.
>> Yeah. If you'd like to have a

1526
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:04,080
conversation with Josh anytime, he says
he will not work with us on South

1527
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:10,080
Boulevard. Okay. [laughter]
>> It is not good soil. He said it's

1528
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:14,719
» it would take way more than $5,000 to
get that soil up.

1529
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:19,840
» So, now we know. Yeah. Now we know.
>> Use the same stuff. and my friend.

1530
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:24,400
» But I can ask Garrett on you said trees
on the north side of park.

1531
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:28,239
» Well, it's just gravel road there. It's
the north side of the park and it's

1532
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:31,679
looking pretty up there.
>> And that's what I'm reaching out to you

1533
02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:35,440
for is see if you had any suggestions
and I'll visit with Garrett and

1534
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:38,560
» I'm sure there'll be several others. I
mean,

1535
02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:43,760
» yeah, might have.
>> We put in

1536
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:47,040
seven trees. Is that right? Yeah, seven
trees up there. So, I mean,

1537
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:48,639
» was that the ones that we got from the
schoolhouse or were they

1538
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:54,320
» No,
>> no. Um, these are

1539
02:06:52,639 --> 02:06:59,199
the schoolhouse, weren't they? Kind of
on the

1540
02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:02,320
» the school ones are on the south end
>> in a row.

1541
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:06,719
» Yeah. the school needed to get. They
were either g they wanted to give them

1542
02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:14,239
away or they were going to destroy them
and I asked for and then we moved them

1543
02:07:10,239 --> 02:07:19,199
and then this grant brought um where
those ended.

1544
02:07:16,239 --> 02:07:20,719
Grant or Garrett planted them to the
south to the

1545
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:26,880
» north
>> north of that and there is room to keep

1546
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:34,480
going north because the idea was to put
a landscape burm along the park and

1547
02:07:32,079 --> 02:07:40,880
Dakota Mill. So, that's what the game
plan was. And Garrett's not here to

1548
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:47,960
speak to it, but that would be a great
idea to keep going with what you've got.

1549
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:47,960
And he's got water there.

1550
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:54,320
He's taking really good care of them and
they're I drove by them again the other

1551
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:57,520
day and they're all growing. They're
alive.

1552
02:07:55,040 --> 02:08:01,928
» Trevor's doing a great job. I'm watching
his time. I'm not I mean, not that G

1553
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:03,948
wouldn't, but
[laughter]

1554
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:13,440
I was wondering if somebody should
actually check those trees and see if

1555
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:17,760
Garrett didn't put fake ones there.
>> But the cost for the trees was like,

1556
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:22,079
can't remember the invoice, a little
over $1,200.

1557
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:28,159
And the rest of it that we could submit
was through inind um you know, by the

1558
02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:33,360
time we figure our machinery cost, our
work for labor cost and all that kind of

1559
02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:36,719
thing. So, it's it's a pretty big deal
>> because even by the bike path, I was

1560
02:08:35,280 --> 02:08:41,360
thinking, you know, there's that one
tree on the way south side

1561
02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:46,639
where there's that
>> property. Yeah. Not our property.

1562
02:08:44,719 --> 02:08:52,440
» Even on
>> Yeah.

1563
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:52,440
» the east side of the bike.

1564
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:57,400
» Well, I don't think so.

1565
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:05,840
But anyway, keeping just wanted to share
with you that

1566
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:10,880
» had any other questions for me but other
than these that was all I had report.

1567
02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:16,480
» Any questions for Caroline?
Hearing none

1568
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:21,599
mayor's report. I I don't have much
either. Um there is going to be a

1569
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:26,639
meeting at Prairie Village. Uh there's
actually going to be two meetings. next

1570
02:09:23,119 --> 02:09:32,800
week, September 8th at 9:30 and
September 10th at 2 uh 2:30. Um both are

1571
02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:37,119
going to be at Prairie Village and
they're going to uh be discussing with

1572
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:43,679
the residents what's going on at Prairie
Village. Um

1573
02:09:40,239 --> 02:09:49,280
um I did get a call this afternoon late
that uh they do have a letter of intent

1574
02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:56,000
to potentially uh sell Prairie Village
to a an investor. So, if it's finalized,

1575
02:09:53,679 --> 02:09:59,840
it really should be uh have minimal
impact on the uh residents. There'll be

1576
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:06,280
some changes and things like that, but
uh it really should have a very minimal

1577
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:06,280
impact and um

1578
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:14,400
I think it'll be good news for the
residents at the Prairie Village. Been

1579
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:18,159
just doing some other meet and greet
type things. um been trying to get a

1580
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:22,880
hold of all of our representatives out
there just to kind of introduce myself

1581
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:25,760
and uh tell them, you know, we'd love to
work with them. Still trying to get your

1582
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:30,760
boss, but I know you guys are probably
pretty busy with the uh um

1583
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:38,400
the well the
>> cyber attack.

1584
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:46,719
» The the cyber attack. Yes. So other than
that, uh questions for me. Can you say

1585
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:50,719
local investor or I don't imagine you're
allowed to say

1586
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:54,320
» I I'd rather have them say
>> come September 8th

1587
02:10:52,480 --> 02:11:00,239
» 9:30
local support we get

1588
02:10:55,840 --> 02:11:04,159
» absolutely I think it'll be a good deal
>> is it the same meeting just at two

1589
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:07,599
different times or same two different
times yes sorry I should have said that

1590
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:11,920
» 9:30 and what time
>> uh 2:30 on the 10th

1591
02:11:10,239 --> 02:11:13,760
» so 9:30 on the 8th.
>> Yes.

1592
02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:16,760
» 2:30 on the 10th.
>> Correct.

1593
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:22,599
» September 10th.
>> Tuesday and Thursday.

1594
02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:33,119
» And uh with no uh other questions.
>> Okay. Go ahead.

1595
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:38,639
» Yep. I do want to follow up on few
things from last meeting. I know G is

1596
02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:43,760
not here and I understand he's he's out,
but my question is anybody went and

1597
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:47,760
looked at this stop sign that's Mark was
addressing last time and where we at

1598
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:52,400
this because I don't want this to become
another rumble stream that we're going

1599
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:58,639
to remember four months later. Um and
then the next one would be what do we

1600
02:11:55,599 --> 02:12:03,679
need to do Caroline uh to change the
processes how we do things uh just based

1601
02:12:01,599 --> 02:12:08,800
on what Mark brought last time since
he's

1602
02:12:05,199 --> 02:12:13,119
how we do we need to have a owner
authorization

1603
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:17,840
if they if they rented their property
the rent is so we need to have some kind

1604
02:12:15,599 --> 02:12:22,079
of process to notifying the owners this
is their responsibility based on our

1605
02:12:20,639 --> 02:12:28,400
ordinances
And the next one would be another one

1606
02:12:24,079 --> 02:12:33,840
was just today uh complaints
uh instead of bringing it here right

1607
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:37,520
away sending letter. What do we need to
do to change this process? I

1608
02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:42,000
» mean initially shouldn't
>> we need to just have a meeting just to

1609
02:12:40,480 --> 02:12:45,760
talk about how we want to do it then
bring it to the council and just make a

1610
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:51,520
motion on what do we need to do to
change these processes.

1611
02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:56,159
» Can I say on the complaint side? Yeah,
>> the complaints would go to ter would

1612
02:12:54,159 --> 02:13:00,239
tell them to get it and they would all
come back and we'd hear two hours of

1613
02:12:58,079 --> 02:13:03,679
whining and crying that the city people
were picking on the other people because

1614
02:13:02,079 --> 02:13:09,599
they didn't like them cuz their dog
barked or their cat hitting their yard

1615
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:14,079
or it just so the best process was to
come to councel

1616
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:19,040
» and I I understand that but at the same
time we do have ordinances we have to

1617
02:13:16,639 --> 02:13:24,239
follow and we ask residents to follow so
it's not like we thinking our ordinance

1618
02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:29,520
says you have to keep you have to mow
your yard. Okay, if it's over so many

1619
02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:33,040
» inches, you have to mow it. And then
another thing is I don't know if they

1620
02:13:31,199 --> 02:13:39,119
have it. Do we have an enforcement? Do
we have a fee established fee? If you do

1621
02:13:36,079 --> 02:13:43,199
not do that, you get a check or or bill
from the city. The city going to come

1622
02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:49,679
and promote it and you're going to get a
check or big one. Sorry, not a check.

1623
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:53,840
But that's the thing is can we just have
a process a better process because I'm

1624
02:13:52,079 --> 02:13:57,440
telling you Jerry not everybody
complains like this because last time

1625
02:13:55,440 --> 02:14:01,360
when it was brought up it was few months
ago couple months ago people did not

1626
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:06,320
like it and they're very good people and
they took care of it but they wish

1627
02:14:04,480 --> 02:14:10,320
somebody would tell them instead of
going to the city council and then

1628
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:14,159
discussing it right here in front of
everyone and everybody guessed exactly

1629
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:18,079
who you're talking about just because
based on the property that part. I

1630
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:21,679
understand it would be nice if it could
be maybe discussed in the executive

1631
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:28,520
session
>> or or could we make just a call

1632
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:28,520
» executive session?

1633
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:32,000
No.
>> Yeah. Could you make a committee of like

1634
02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:35,520
two council?
>> Maybe that's what would be best. That

1635
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:38,159
was a process at one time
>> and then we

1636
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:42,719
» I can tell you the different processes
in the 20 years that I've been here and

1637
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:48,560
they've not any of them worked. Nobody's
ever been happy. and you say that, you

1638
02:14:45,679 --> 02:14:53,840
know, we send a letter to that person.
Well, maybe over here this person hasn't

1639
02:14:52,239 --> 02:14:57,679
mowed their yard, but it didn't get
looked at and didn't get caught. And so

1640
02:14:55,760 --> 02:15:00,960
then that person saying, "Well, you sent
me a letter, but that person over there,

1641
02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:05,599
have you looked at their grass?"
The public works did not no public they

1642
02:15:03,679 --> 02:15:10,480
had committee uh council members that
went around with the public works and

1643
02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:15,119
then letters got sent out and then
unless the council is different now and

1644
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:20,639
wants to continue to do that to try to
get them all at the same time to be able

1645
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:24,320
to drive around and all that. It was a
process and they said no we're not doing

1646
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:28,079
this anymore. I don't know about the
driving around. I

1647
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:32,800
» that's how you're gonna find everybody
complain to the office and write it and

1648
02:15:30,639 --> 02:15:36,320
you can be upset as much as you want
that they have there. But we received

1649
02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:42,400
the complaint for you. We didn't receive
complaint for them. So, but thanks for

1650
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:46,480
bringing up to our attention.
>> You you have to operate I think

1651
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:51,599
practically you have to operate on a
complaint basis only. You can't go

1652
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:56,880
proactively and police. uh you have to
rely on your residents to make a a a

1653
02:15:54,719 --> 02:16:03,760
nuisance complaint I think is what it is
to say I think my neighbor is in

1654
02:15:58,719 --> 02:16:07,199
violation of nuisance ordinance and um I
think the way that you do it basically

1655
02:16:05,599 --> 02:16:12,000
called on the council to make that
determination first. Yeah, we agree this

1656
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:16,480
constitutes a nuisance and we're going
to send out a letter first before we go

1657
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:22,239
enforce it and cut the grass and charge
them for that sort of thing. Maybe there

1658
02:16:19,280 --> 02:16:29,440
is a a better way to do that without
airing or dirty laundry first. But um

1659
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:34,399
yeah, I I would just suggest that it
remain complaintbased

1660
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:37,359
um other than saying that you're under
going to undertake a duty to make sure

1661
02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:41,519
that everyone's in compliance,
>> right?

1662
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:47,439
» Yeah. But we would be nice to figure out
how to do it in a lighter manner like

1663
02:16:45,120 --> 02:16:51,760
Will suggested. Wasn't that a change in
legislation? Did I not understand when

1664
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:57,840
you sent me an email that like agenda
requests have to be said what the people

1665
02:16:54,479 --> 02:17:00,800
are addressing? And am I not do I not
have to do that with concern letters

1666
02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:05,359
when I put them on the agenda?
>> Um I think there is there is a change in

1667
02:17:03,120 --> 02:17:07,760
the law as far as agenda. It needs to
have spec specificity.

1668
02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:10,559
» Okay.
>> Um

1669
02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:14,000
» because I was going to say maybe I
misunderstood that. I can misunderstand

1670
02:17:12,719 --> 02:17:18,080
things. So
>> I think you're right. But do we even

1671
02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:24,160
have to take a complaint to that level
if we had say two council members that

1672
02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:26,160
were got the complaint decided?
Um

1673
02:17:24,639 --> 02:17:29,840
» maybe the first thing is go talk to them
in person.

1674
02:17:27,040 --> 02:17:34,080
» Yep. I think that's what is the best
thing and I think you know talk to

1675
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:36,960
» but we make it more formal. Hey, you
know, two people on the consulate and

1676
02:17:35,920 --> 02:17:41,519
then they can basically
>> I think we had a situation last week,

1677
02:17:39,359 --> 02:17:45,040
right, with preach that's been taken
care of without anybody bringing the

1678
02:17:43,359 --> 02:17:46,800
actual complaint,
>> right?

1679
02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:49,519
» With what?
>> Refrigerator. Yeah.

1680
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:54,399
» But [clears throat] that wasn't at the
council. That was on Facebook.

1681
02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:57,920
» But at the same time, who made a call?
>> Did you made a call, I believe? Right.

1682
02:17:56,559 --> 02:18:02,160
» And they just made a call and guess
what? Been taken care of. So,

1683
02:18:00,479 --> 02:18:07,040
» yes, you you're going to have residents.
is going to have problems.

1684
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:10,960
» That was a safety issue though.
>> Refrigerators sitting out there for

1685
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:14,080
little kids to get locked into.
>> That was a safety issue.

1686
02:18:12,319 --> 02:18:18,344
» Mowing the grass is a safety issue too
because of the snakes.

1687
02:18:16,325 --> 02:18:18,344
[laughter]

1688
02:18:20,319 --> 02:18:26,240
» I believe refrigerator is a little more
concerned than to [laughter]

1689
02:18:25,599 --> 02:18:29,920
» So,
>> but I I don't want to put it on uh

1690
02:18:28,319 --> 02:18:34,639
Carolyn or Darrett to do that. That's
why I'm trying. Huh?

1691
02:18:32,000 --> 02:18:36,639
» Yeah. We need we need to commit
>> and it doesn't necessarily have it

1692
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:41,439
doesn't happen.
>> So am I to understand because what I

1693
02:18:38,639 --> 02:18:46,160
would do is write a resolution. So this
is put into the paper that this is going

1694
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:50,319
to be the process. So everybody's aware
that this is how it's going to happen.

1695
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:52,160
If you don't have
>> what the process is.

1696
02:18:51,519 --> 02:18:54,960
» What's that?
>> What? Well, that's what I was asking.

1697
02:18:53,439 --> 02:18:57,519
What the process? If you want to change
something,

1698
02:18:55,439 --> 02:19:01,359
» you can do it any way you want to, but
I've always said I like to do

1699
02:18:59,120 --> 02:19:06,080
resolutions because they get published.
It's recorded in the minutes rather than

1700
02:19:03,359 --> 02:19:11,760
just a motion. It's more detailed than
just a motion typically is. Um, you

1701
02:19:09,679 --> 02:19:15,840
could do policy, but policy doesn't ever
get published anywhere. That's why my

1702
02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:20,319
preference is a resolution,
>> which is probably the right way to go.

1703
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:24,080
» And but if I'm going to write the
resolution, I need to understand what

1704
02:19:22,080 --> 02:19:27,280
you're actually saying. So are you
saying you want to

1705
02:19:25,359 --> 02:19:31,200
» and I think we need to discuss that. I'm
not saying we need to just make right

1706
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:35,599
now but that's what I was referring to.
We need to sit down and discuss with the

1707
02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:42,719
best way to address it.
>> So and maybe I don't know what the law

1708
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:45,840
or there is changed to make to take this
into the

1709
02:19:43,439 --> 02:19:49,280
» well onto the consideration or it's just
agenda.

1710
02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:54,240
» That's just the law agendas how agendas
are described there.

1711
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:58,720
» Yeah. So, when you talk about enforcing,
you know, I was well at the zoning

1712
02:19:56,960 --> 02:20:05,280
planning commission. Somebody did ask
about the sidewalk um out in front of

1713
02:20:02,399 --> 02:20:10,479
the one business to the south of the
Salty Steer and Bodega. They have stuff

1714
02:20:07,760 --> 02:20:17,760
sitting on their sidewalk and wanted to
know if our ordinance was just on this.

1715
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:21,040
» No, sidewalks everywhere, but I saw we
changed it.

1716
02:20:19,200 --> 02:20:24,319
» So, so what did we change it to? because
there's they have metal stuff.

1717
02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:29,760
» I remember it was brought up to the
house table of mine for the to bring it

1718
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:33,040
back to see what the changes are and
that's the last thing I remember.

1719
02:20:31,280 --> 02:20:36,960
» Yeah. And that was before
>> and I don't know I don't think it ever

1720
02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:40,000
got it never came back.
>> No, it never came back.

1721
02:20:38,240 --> 02:20:42,640
» I don't think so.
>> But again, who polices that?

1722
02:20:42,319 --> 02:20:45,920
» You know,
>> that's what we didn't want to do,

1723
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:49,280
» right? [laughter] Trying to get away
from it,

1724
02:20:46,479 --> 02:20:54,319
» you know? I mean, yeah, we we were
already dealing with a situation where

1725
02:20:52,000 --> 02:21:00,319
certain businesses were doing what they
wanted no matter what. And then when it

1726
02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:06,640
became an issue and was brought in front
of us that they wanted to have

1727
02:21:02,960 --> 02:21:11,680
conversation about, you know, making
that, you know, something that they

1728
02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:16,080
could do, which is very difficult to do
when you're currently not following the

1729
02:21:13,439 --> 02:21:18,880
rules and now you want to talk about us
rewriting.

1730
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:23,439
» That was my
>> I guess I don't know what you're talking

1731
02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:28,399
about. I don't go there every day like
this place several times. Never seen

1732
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:31,920
anything like this. And I I remember
somebody brought it up, but I never seen

1733
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:35,120
this.
>> Oh, I took pictures. I I want to buy

1734
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:39,680
them and they're too expensive. That's
how I know there is something [laughter]

1735
02:21:36,319 --> 02:21:43,280
out there. They're metal flower deals
along with some other metal.

1736
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:47,359
» Yeah,
>> this is the issue that needs to be

1737
02:21:45,359 --> 02:21:52,720
discussed because truly if you look at
our benches and flower pots, some of the

1738
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:57,120
spots pretty tight. We talking about
some of the stuff that people trying to

1739
02:21:54,240 --> 02:22:02,399
put I don't know next to the door or
whatever. So

1740
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:06,080
if we talk about it, it has to be over.
>> Yeah.

1741
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:09,040
» Yeah. Because this is a there is very
tight spot.

1742
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:17,680
» Oh. Oh.
>> Very tight. The bed sitting on there. So

1743
02:22:15,359 --> 02:22:21,040
» are you talking about the one that I
bought?

1744
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:24,640
» Oh, I don't know.
by the uh discount store.

1745
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:28,080
» Yes,
>> it's so cold.

1746
02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:31,439
» And I did not want a pot, but I was told
I had to put a pot in

1747
02:22:29,600 --> 02:22:37,280
» talking about the pages. Just
>> I didn't put them there.

1748
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:46,080
» It's very tiny over that topic.
>> So, and then you asked about um

1749
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:51,760
the utilities for the landlord render
authorization. So we never had the issue

1750
02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:58,240
before to have to address it. But I
would suggest a resolution for that as

1751
02:22:54,080 --> 02:23:01,760
well. Um so that the people are I mean
we can do only so much. We can't I guess

1752
02:23:00,160 --> 02:23:06,560
we could hand deliver it to every renter
in town and landlords. They knew

1753
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:09,840
» what they sign up.
>> We can hand the resolution

1754
02:23:07,840 --> 02:23:15,040
» one time. You probably could. This is
how we do it. That's how we do it. You

1755
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:19,280
can have one time agreement with them
and they know this. It doesn't matter

1756
02:23:17,280 --> 02:23:25,840
how many renders they going to have.
They know what they responsible

1757
02:23:23,200 --> 02:23:30,720
» but how soon are they notified that they
Yeah. Are they notified after 30 days or

1758
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:37,200
60 days or
>> this is something?

1759
02:23:32,319 --> 02:23:42,479
» Yeah. And I would say as far as the
um the complaint things, I think that's

1760
02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:48,800
a pretty simple thing that we can all
agree on. If there is an issue and

1761
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:53,600
somebody fills out a complaint and they
present it to you, Carolyn,

1762
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:58,240
you then would tell Garrett, share the
complaint with him. If he feels like

1763
02:23:55,920 --> 02:24:03,520
it's in violation, a letter gets drafted
and sent out right away.

1764
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:07,920
If it's not remedied
within whatever time you guys want it to

1765
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:12,319
be, it will be on the agenda for
discussion at the next council meeting

1766
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:16,319
» with the address on there.
>> Well, we're going to discuss it. Yeah.

1767
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:22,960
» You know, and that, you know, it it's
just I think that's very respectful. Um

1768
02:24:20,319 --> 02:24:28,640
it, you know, it's going to involve
Garrett making sure that there's a

1769
02:24:24,880 --> 02:24:34,319
violation. um so that when we are faced
with it, we can make a decision. Um then

1770
02:24:32,479 --> 02:24:39,680
you kind of have clear direction. Does
that sound reasonable to everybody? Um

1771
02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:43,920
» so you're striking the committee thing.
>> I I think it's I don't even know if

1772
02:24:41,840 --> 02:24:47,200
committee would I don't think committee
really needs to meet on it. I think it's

1773
02:24:45,439 --> 02:24:50,640
pretty cutthroat. If you get the
complaint,

1774
02:24:48,479 --> 02:24:54,399
» you send Garrett to see if there's an
actual violation because you're probably

1775
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:57,120
going to get some complaints that
aren't. I'm still saying I want this in

1776
02:24:56,479 --> 02:25:00,520
resolution.
>> Absolutely. [laughter]

1777
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:09,200
» Resolution, but if Garrett wants a
councilman to go with him, I'm sure he

1778
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:14,319
could get a hold of one of us.
Absolutely glad to go with him, but he

1779
02:25:11,359 --> 02:25:20,880
didn't want it all back.
>> And and and that way that's done. then

1780
02:25:16,080 --> 02:25:27,600
we don't have to have people meet um to
um try to sort that out or you know um

1781
02:25:25,359 --> 02:25:32,399
people showing up angry. I mean they
they they got the letter. I mean it is

1782
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:37,040
frustrating that Garrett's got to go
over and tell them yes you're in

1783
02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:42,000
violation. Your grass is 3 and 1/2 ft
tall as if you didn't know that on your

1784
02:25:38,880 --> 02:25:46,880
own. But then we're not getting angry
people because they've already been

1785
02:25:44,240 --> 02:25:51,760
aware that it's been looked into. They
are in violation and this is where it's

1786
02:25:49,439 --> 02:25:55,680
going next.
>> So, since we're talking about this, and

1787
02:25:53,439 --> 02:26:01,920
I'm not going to name any locations, but
I did get a complaint today. It was a

1788
02:25:59,280 --> 02:26:06,240
parking issue.
I mean, our ordinance addresses if a

1789
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:12,160
vehicle is parked in a certain spot for
too long. Well, that's not on us. We

1790
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:16,800
don't patrol the streets to know if it's
not moved or anything. So, there's going

1791
02:26:14,800 --> 02:26:20,479
to have to be some time taken. And we
point it out to law enforcement. Can you

1792
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:25,200
keep an eye on this vehicle to see if it
gets moved or if it stays here? Is it

1793
02:26:23,120 --> 02:26:29,280
parked too close to the curb to cause
safety issues when people are trying to

1794
02:26:27,280 --> 02:26:33,920
So, there's going to be some time that
it's going to take to get this all

1795
02:26:31,520 --> 02:26:40,319
figured out. And I explained that to the
resident and started with some pictures

1796
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:46,576
today, but what they were complaining
about

1797
02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:49,200
wasn't parked there today, of course.
[laughter]

1798
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:53,680
» Perfect.
>> So, I mean, those kinds of things also

1799
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:59,040
come to our office and that's not really
in violation of our ordinances. Those

1800
02:26:56,319 --> 02:27:03,680
need to be addressed with law
enforcement and all that kind of stuff.

1801
02:27:01,120 --> 02:27:06,720
So, what's your suggestion for that?
>> Law enforcement. That's why we pay him.

1802
02:27:06,227 --> 02:27:12,800
[laughter]
>> But he's shaking his head. But

1803
02:27:09,680 --> 02:27:18,240
» and he you guys follow our ordinances as
our community and that we should just

1804
02:27:15,040 --> 02:27:20,960
let them do their job. I That's my
request.

1805
02:27:18,800 --> 02:27:26,319
» So, you go to Yeah.
>> Well, and that's what I said I was going

1806
02:27:22,640 --> 02:27:30,080
to do. Um, but today was a little busy
getting ready for the meeting. So, no

1807
02:27:28,080 --> 02:27:34,160
action has been taken yet. Tomorrow's
going to be busy again with followup of

1808
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:37,680
the meeting. Monday's a holiday. It's
going to be Tuesday before anything can

1809
02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:41,280
probably get addressed. And I just want
you guys to know things can't happen

1810
02:27:40,080 --> 02:27:46,080
just right away.
>> I mean, and it's not that we're ignoring

1811
02:27:43,359 --> 02:27:51,280
it. It's just the way it is.
>> Well, and you know, I mean, we should

1812
02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:56,160
all keep in mind as well, there are
certain situations or violations within

1813
02:27:53,439 --> 02:27:59,439
our ordinances that you got to give
people a little bit of time to deal

1814
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:03,200
with.
So if they reach out to you and say,

1815
02:28:01,359 --> 02:28:07,200
"Yes, this is where we're kind of at
with things,"

1816
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:10,960
you can share that with us. It doesn't
need to go on the agenda. We understand

1817
02:28:09,439 --> 02:28:15,920
there are certain things that can't be
remedied right away. I mean, that's

1818
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:21,359
common sense. So, I mean, it just
keeping that communication open with us.

1819
02:28:19,120 --> 02:28:24,640
That way, if the person comes in that
signed the complaint and wants to fill

1820
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:29,200
out another one because it isn't done,
you can explain to them, "We have been

1821
02:28:26,399 --> 02:28:33,520
in contact with this individual
and no need for another form. We are

1822
02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:38,399
working through it."
>> I actually told them they may be asked

1823
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:43,040
to come back. I wanted to investigate to
see if it was any violations happening

1824
02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:47,840
before I have them fill something out.
Anyway, I mean, it's kind of new point

1825
02:28:45,359 --> 02:28:52,800
if they're not in violation. So told
them if it was in violation they would

1826
02:28:50,399 --> 02:28:55,800
have to come back fill out the form
silver.

1827
02:28:55,840 --> 02:29:02,800
» We still on item 26.
>> Yes.

1828
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:08,319
» 26 or 27.
>> 26 items for discussion.

1829
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:12,479
» How did I get renumbered?
>> Oh yeah. Something.

1830
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:17,359
» Well, I wanted to stay here all night.
You know the cubs won. But we got we got

1831
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:21,359
to stay here in the party as long as
we're discussing

1832
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:27,680
and stuff that we don't follow.
>> So if we're on 26

1833
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:30,800
» we really we really
>> shouldn't have taken any action.

1834
02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:36,560
» I'm not take you're not making any
money. You're just making suggestions.

1835
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:40,640
» Well I consider that action. So,
>> I'm just making sure

1836
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:44,160
» if I'm telling you what I would like you
to do, that's

1837
02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:47,520
» he's taking action here.
>> Not casting a vote or anything, but it

1838
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:51,520
» sounds to me as though there's going to
be a resolution, but and you all can

1839
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:53,600
vote on it then.
>> Vote on it.

1840
02:29:52,399 --> 02:29:57,680
» All right. I just want to make sure.
>> I don't think there's any action yet. I

1841
02:29:55,120 --> 02:30:03,840
do have one question totally off from
the subject, but um I know they did put

1842
02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:09,359
in paperwork with DNR
for like taking on furniture and stuff

1843
02:30:06,319 --> 02:30:12,960
out the rebel site. Is there any
progress on that or where is that at? Do

1844
02:30:12,240 --> 02:30:18,399
you know?
>> I don't know.

1845
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:21,280
» Okay. Um could talk with Garrett next
time you talk with him and kind of see

1846
02:30:20,240 --> 02:30:23,280
where it's at or
>> I can try to remember.

1847
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:29,840
» Yeah.
>> To do that. I'll send myself a reminder.

1848
02:30:26,640 --> 02:30:35,280
» I would on that subject. I was still
trying to get rid of TV and now I've

1849
02:30:32,160 --> 02:30:39,840
been told that my address isn't a Rapid
City address that I can't go to the

1850
02:30:37,280 --> 02:30:43,840
Rapid City landfill.
So, I'm confused. Maybe I'll just sneak

1851
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:46,960
it out to the
>> Take it to the city.

1852
02:30:46,309 --> 02:30:51,760
[laughter]
>> I'd like Sorry, I didn't say that.

1853
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:56,560
» If we're still on 26.
>> Yes. Everybody see in this community

1854
02:30:54,319 --> 02:31:00,960
seems we need to be following ordinances
and ordinances. We don't give up. We are

1855
02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:05,040
following ordinances. Why the heck did
we waste all the no camping signs out

1856
02:31:03,359 --> 02:31:10,319
here in the parking lot when every
morning there's campers out there

1857
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:15,359
parked? One time in July there was a
lady out there camp for about a week.

1858
02:31:12,720 --> 02:31:20,800
She'd actually unhook from her camper
and go travel around all day and then

1859
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:24,960
come back her electric vehicle. then she
would hook it up. I'm just wondering

1860
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:30,880
they they're always parked there and we
have probably 10 signs says no overnight

1861
02:31:28,080 --> 02:31:36,240
parking. No overnight parking and I'm
just curious as why that always happens.

1862
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:42,399
I know it's been park camping all the
way

1863
02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:46,319
overnight parking though down in
>> across from the one dorm down in behind

1864
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:50,080
that guy goes.
>> Yes, that's all parking. That's all.

1865
02:31:49,600 --> 02:31:52,800
That's
>> that's private, right? So they can't

1866
02:31:51,760 --> 02:31:56,240
park.
>> It's just over here.

1867
02:31:53,920 --> 02:32:01,760
» Yeah. Just parked up there.
>> What's annoying about it is can't people

1868
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:03,840
read I mean they park pacing them signs
and everything.

1869
02:32:02,319 --> 02:32:08,000
» They don't see stop signs. How do you
expect

1870
02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:11,600
stop signs too?
>> Well, that's probably more of a an issue

1871
02:32:10,399 --> 02:32:16,319
and I don't know.
>> It's an issue that we've dealt with.

1872
02:32:12,960 --> 02:32:19,359
It's I've dealt with myself. Um,
ultimately, like you said, if there was

1873
02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:23,760
a lady that was there for like over a
week, I would hope you would notice it,

1874
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:28,399
but also at the end of the day, if that
was June or July was so busy that that

1875
02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:32,560
parking lot, unless we got called there,
that may not be our top priority. Um,

1876
02:32:31,040 --> 02:32:36,000
but I've dealt with a lot of people
asking me or I've come up to people be

1877
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:39,840
like, "Hey, kind of looks like you're
setting up. Just so you know, can't

1878
02:32:38,319 --> 02:32:43,359
overnight here." But I always direct
them to that other one that has no

1879
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:48,560
signs. So, as far as I'm aware, they
can. that's the one I've directed them

1880
02:32:45,439 --> 02:32:51,359
to. Um, it hasn't been a crazy issue
that I've seen, but plenty of people

1881
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:56,560
have come and asked me and I've tried to
give as best guidance as I could.

1882
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:59,600
Ultimately, if it comes to a fact of
you've noticed this parking violation

1883
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:04,399
and you've noticed it for days and
doesn't seem to be addressed,

1884
02:33:02,399 --> 02:33:08,479
um, same with possibly the one that
Caroline was dealing with, a vehicle

1885
02:33:06,399 --> 02:33:12,800
that maybe needs to be addressed. I
think there's also a

1886
02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:18,640
slight apprehension to people not
calling law enforcement to get something

1887
02:33:15,439 --> 02:33:21,760
addressed. I'm not saying you have to.
If it's something you want to deal with

1888
02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:25,680
from the city or personal or neighborly,
however you want to deal with it, that's

1889
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:30,080
fine. But sometimes if you want
something to get taken care of, it's not

1890
02:33:27,439 --> 02:33:32,560
taken care of, just got to call.
>> So what what do you call what number do

1891
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:35,359
you call?
>> 911.

1892
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:38,240
» They will take a
>> Yeah, that's our that's how you get to

1893
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:41,520
dispatch. That's the only way I know how
to get

1894
02:33:38,960 --> 02:33:44,960
» I call 3942151.
>> You can call that as well. Consider the

1895
02:33:43,359 --> 02:33:46,479
non-emergency line, but they all go to
the same place.

1896
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:49,680
» Yep.
>> The same people.

1897
02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:54,000
» So, [clears throat]
>> the the overnight camping, we we've

1898
02:33:51,760 --> 02:34:01,439
dealt with this
>> several years ago. And um

1899
02:33:58,399 --> 02:34:06,720
now we only have one campground and you
know after 10:00 their office is closed.

1900
02:34:04,319 --> 02:34:12,080
» That is true. and and we said we didn't
want, you know, at midnight somebody

1901
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:15,840
pulls in off the interstate and pulls in
there and goes to sleep. We didn't want

1902
02:34:14,319 --> 02:34:20,240
deputies going in there beating on their
door and say, "You got to get up and

1903
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:25,920
move." That's not I mean,
>> not thought we allotted. So, we really

1904
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:30,760
not pushed that issue.
>> That makes sense.

1905
02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:30,760
» That doesn't make good sense.

1906
02:34:31,520 --> 02:34:36,399
» Anything else? It's not sunrise yet.

1907
02:34:36,640 --> 02:34:44,399
Well, last chance. [laughter]
Excellent. Jerry.

1908
02:34:42,240 --> 02:34:52,319
» That's because I didn't watch.
>> Uh, next city council meeting will be

1909
02:34:47,280 --> 02:34:57,880
September 17th at 6:30.
Item 28. We have a need for an executive

1910
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:57,880
session.

1911
02:34:58,560 --> 02:35:04,319
» We take
the motion that we go to the executive

1912
02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:08,680
session.
to discuss SPCL1-25-1.

1913
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:17,120
» I have a motion
>> and I have a second.

1914
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:20,080
» Further discussion carries none. All in
favor say I.

1915
02:35:18,720 --> 02:35:28,200
» All opposed.
>> Sorry.

1916
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:28,200
» All I hear from executive session.

1917
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:35,600
Uh
>> I'm calling us out of executive session

1918
02:35:32,720 --> 02:35:38,640
at 9:18.
Is there any action following executive

1919
02:35:37,600 --> 02:35:43,600
session?
>> Yes. I would like to make a motion that

1920
02:35:41,120 --> 02:35:49,200
the city of Wall
hire Owen Bowski

1921
02:35:46,640 --> 02:35:56,720
at $23.50
per hour in our public works department

1922
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:59,680
pending pre-employment screening.
>> I have a motion.

1923
02:35:58,080 --> 02:36:04,720
» Second.
>> Um, you guys, Lily She's personnel

1924
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:08,720
around.
>> Uh, I have a motion in a second. Any

1925
02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:11,120
further discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor say I.

1926
02:36:10,560 --> 02:36:16,319
» I.
>> All oppose, same sign. Motion carries.

1927
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:22,160
» Second. Pretty.
>> Um, it is now

1928
02:36:19,359 --> 02:36:26,000
9:19 and I'm gonna call this meeting to
the jury.

1929
02:36:24,399 --> 02:36:29,399
» Perfect.
>> Thank you everyone.