[0:04] I'd like to call the meeting to order is
6:31.
[0:10] Can you do roll call?
>> Huffman
[0:14] » here.
>> Stone
[0:16] » here.
>> Morgan
[0:17] » here.
>> Ralph
[0:18] » here.
>> Anderson
[0:21] » here.
>> H
[0:22] » here.
>> D here.
[0:24] » We do have a a full quum.
>> Thank you. Next on the agenda is the
[0:29] pledge of allegiance.
[0:34] Thank you.
I al to the flag of the United States of
[0:40] America and to the republic for which it
stands. One nation under God,
[0:46] indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all. [clears throat]
[0:53] Do
[0:58] » you have any order of business for
emergencies?
[1:01] » No.
>> You we have any attendance on Zoom?
[1:05] » No.
>> Next on the agenda, please report.
[1:17] » How everyone?
>> A lot of the same that you probably
[1:21] heard the last month. Um, our systems
are still taking a beating. Uh, I don't
[1:27] have any official report to give. Um,
last month's was a good month to all my
[1:33] poll understanding talking with the
other deputies working out here. Um,
[1:37] seems like a good time. Things are
slowing down. Nothing crazy to my
[1:42] knowledge has happened around here or
within the county really. Um,
[1:48] last month spent some time out in Rapid
myself. at their central states fair.
[1:53] Saw some familiar faces from the wall.
Uh hope some people got to go out there
[1:58] and enjoy a good time. Seemed like it
was a good fair this year. No issues.
[2:02] Beyond that, I don't have a whole lot to
give because I don't have a report, but
[2:06] if y'all have any questions or any
concerns, I can try to address them best
[2:10] of my abilities.
>> Any questions?
[2:16] Hearing none. Thanks for all you guys do
out there. Absolutely.
[2:22] Next is to adopt the agenda.
So I have a motion
[2:27] » second
>> and a second. Any discussion?
[2:32] » Hearing none. All in favor say I.
>> I. I.
[2:35] » All oppose. Same sign. Motion carries.
Is there any conflict of interest with
[2:41] you here? Where are
[2:45] none? I assume none.
Next is to approve the 8 or August 20th,
[2:51] 2026 city council meeting minutes.
>> Move to approve.
[2:55] » I have a motion
>> by Dan, second by Jerry. Any further
[3:00] discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor say I.
[3:04] » I.
>> I. All oppose. Same sign.
[3:07] » Motion carries.
Next we have
[3:12] that
[3:16] we have the city of wall fire department
library cemetery claims. Um the city of
[3:23] wall we have total bills of $
109,743.81.
[3:29] I would also like to note under the BBB
funds we are uh making the last payment
[3:33] on the community center.
>> Yeah.
[3:36] » Yay.
Uh we have cemetery bills of $221.90.
[3:43] We have fire department bills of
$2,32.60.
[3:49] And we have library bills of $569.50.
Is there any discussion?
[3:58] If not, I would take a motion.
>> That exact made a motion. I'll second.
[4:05] » Melton had second. Any further
discussion?
[4:09] Hearing none. All in favor say I. I.
>> All oppose. Same sign.
[4:14] Motion carries.
Next is the review of the on call uh
[4:20] schedule overtimes sification report,
water usage report, sales tax report,
[4:28] budget reports in the library uh August
26 26 meeting minutes.
[4:35] Are there any comments, questions,
concerns?
[4:39] Caroline, I just noticed on the city's
budget that in the street section the
[4:45] wages are like at 300% over budget.
>> Yeah, I have not been able to adjust
[4:51] those because right now the way the
software works I can only um expense to
[4:57] one of the five funds and then I have so
adjust and I'm working on that before we
[5:03] start the budget. So, okay. Thank you.
[5:09] Any other questions or comments?
Hearing none,
[5:16] we'll move on to item 12, library
recognition.
[5:21] » I included it in your packet that I uh
the library had shared um a recognition
[5:28] letter that they'd received on
uh receiving their achieving their
[5:33] accreditation for the from the South
Dakota State Library. And so I just
[5:38] thought they deserved a kudos for that
and wanted to bring everybody's
[5:43] attention to that at this meeting. So
>> thank you. That was a great uh
[5:47] achievement for them. So thanks for
bringing that to our attention.
[5:53] » Next on the
is a presentation.
[6:04] » I need you to come all the way around
here.
[6:06] » [laughter]
[6:13] » Mayor, we have this plaque presenting in
recognition of the four years of
[6:16] outstanding service and dedication to
the community and citizens of law in
[6:21] your capacity as mayor. Thank you.
[6:30] picture first.
[6:41] » Don't let her falling.
[6:50] Thank you.
[6:58] Thank you for that. Um nice recognitions
that they could change that and
[7:06] it was an honor to serve for the last
four years. And I want to express my
[7:12] appreciation to the council and to the
amazing city staff that you have here.
[7:19] Carolyn, Garrett, Trevor, Brandon,
Rashan, Katie, Michaela, and Brook. They
[7:26] are committed to this community and they
care how it looks and they work hard uh
[7:33] to keep it uh at top-notch condition.
[7:43] When I reflected over the last four
years, I understand that lots has
[7:49] happened in the wall. I took my oath in
May of 2022 and in June was the cactus
[7:55] fire. I was grateful to Garrett on how
he knew how to get water to the main
[8:03] street for the firemen who knew the
about the double wall. That kind of
[8:08] experience in a moment of uh terrific
circumstances
[8:14] is uh very much appreciated and useful.
In July, I was made aware that the
[8:23] ambulance service was in dire situation.
Mike and Dan, you assisted me in getting
[8:30] a new board of directors. So, thank you,
Lily and Zach and Melanie and the other
[8:37] two directors that have worked to get
that back on its wheels. And thank you,
[8:42] council, for the $531,000
that you've allocated to the ambulance
[8:49] to keep it that way since 2023, as well
as paying the ambulance loan payment.
[8:57] And in September 2022, you approved the
South Dakota housing loan that Stan and
[9:03] I secured for Echo Valley
Infrastructure.
[9:08] And as a result, then that's created 24
lots. The result is 20 lots have been
[9:16] sold, six homes, and a amazing apartment
coming soon with potential of 17 more
[9:25] lots. when you as a council fulfilled
theou that you have with Echo Valley.
[9:32] And in November of that year, you
approved the Kelly Avenue and Gloria
[9:37] Street extension and infrastructure. And
that resulted in two stick built houses
[9:43] and five governor's homes. Young
families have come back to town. And
[9:49] both of these projects increase property
tax and revenue, which is what the city
[9:55] needs to operate. And then in December,
I90 closed and you council members,
[10:02] community members, and chamber people
stepped up to help man this community
[10:07] center for 24/7 the three days. And
again, Carolyn and Garrett, your
[10:14] leadership and the expertise was
absolutely stent in that situation. And
[10:21] Jerry, you worked tirelessly
starting cars and digging uh folks out
[10:28] and then hauling them to their
destinations.
[10:31] And in 2022, the airport runway was
widened and extended. and I established
[10:37] the airport steering committee and Stan
and Rick, three pilots, a banker,
[10:42] airport engineer, Carolyn and Garrett,
the chamber and the economic development
[10:48] directors. All of that um committee work
resulted in a grand opening flyin. We
[10:57] have been chosen to locate the wild line
fire seat base here.
[11:04] Lease agreements have been updated.
Apron expansion is planned and on its
[11:10] way. Hangar coven covenants were
written. And recently the experimental a
[11:18] aviation group was hosted as well as a
new business fly
[11:25] is located at our airport.
In 2023, council, you courageously
[11:31] decided not to let go or lose the
600,000
[11:36] grant and you moved ahead to rebuild 4th
Avenue. And phase two then would be the
[11:42] completion of that project down the
road. And we um worked and established a
[11:49] relationship with Pennington County
Sheriff's Department. The public works
[11:53] once again went in and remodeled the
apartment for our deputy
[11:58] to live in. They painted and reffloed
the deputy office and they worked with
[12:04] GFP uh or I worked with GFP for an
office lease so we can bring another
[12:11] officer to town. And by the way, thank
you for approving that lease at the last
[12:16] meeting.
In 2025, we updated the community
[12:21] center, this meeting room. The guys
built that wonderful council table.
[12:28] Seating for the grand hall was improved
and the kitchen has been beautifully
[12:34] done all with elbow grease and work on
the part of our public works uh folks
[12:42] and that is what is attracting
associations and conferences to our
[12:46] town. For instance, the Energized
Conference brought $52,000
[12:52] in economic impact over that three days
to our
[12:57] restaurants and retail. And Roshan is
working hard to continue those kinds of
[13:03] conferences.
You chose and approved the engineer
[13:07] option to fix the flooding issues that
we experienced after the 2025 rain event
[13:13] and that should commence in 2027.
And this spring, Main Street was
[13:18] revitalized with the new legacy park
benches that Judy Goldhammer um put
[13:26] together, promoted the flower pots, the
beautifification committee hanging
[13:31] flowers. So fun to see people sitting
and enjoying those benches um as they
[13:40] shop in our retail stores.
So,
[13:46] I'm not sure what the 1900 views of the
July 16 meeting did for Wall, but I'm
[13:54] here to say that I'm going to continue
to be an ambassador and an advocate for
[13:59] Wall. The 150 plus or minus votes for me
are people who understand Wall is an egg
[14:06] and a tourist community. They know that
putting your eggs in all one basket
[14:13] and not diversifying the economy does
not meet the common sense test. And
[14:18] growing wall means retaining businesses,
helping new entrepreneurs
[14:24] get on their feet and move forward.
Welcome new businesses because they will
[14:30] all contribute to property and sales tax
revenue which the city needs. And I will
[14:37] continue to build on the opportunities
and relationships that I fostered. I
[14:43] will continue to use avenue news to
advocate for ProWall and promote that
[14:48] wall is a community that people want to
live in and want to move back to these
[14:55] young couples that are coming back to
educate their children here is amazing.
[15:01] So, I thank you for the recognition of
the plan and I just want to say that it
[15:06] was an honor to serve and an honor to
work with each and every one of you and
[15:11] I hope that you continue to make those
decisions that count that will help move
[15:19] wall forward. So, thank you.
[15:43] Thank you, Mary. Next on the uh list is
visitors. Kristen
[15:50] » Khan
>> Kit
[15:52] » I heard convol
[laughter]
[15:56] want to thank you all um driving in
here. What a wonderful little community
[16:01] you have and you should be very proud of
what you've accomplished. I really like
[16:05] your football field,
but I do like it's it's it's clean. It's
[16:11] there's a lot of people here
participating and that makes a
[16:13] difference. And I do like the way you
run your meetings because I don't
[16:16] believe in wasting time. Spent 10 years
in pure a lot of time got wasted there
[16:21] um with with income hearings. So, thanks
for your time. My name is Kristen Kit
[16:26] and I am the executive director of
Western Dakota Regional Water System,
[16:31] which is out of Rapid City. I come by
Fort Pier and have been in Rapid City uh
[16:36] for 32 years and I love South Dakota and
if you love something, you take care of
[16:43] it. And what we're proposing here with
Western Dakota Regional Water is
[16:49] legacy. It is long-term. It is
necessary. We have to start now. We
[16:54] started five years and we're coming to
culmination of a lot of work and effort
[16:58] not only by our members but by the state
and now we're working with federal
[17:02] government which I don't want to it's
just like you think working with federal
[17:07] government. Anyway, Western Dakota
Regional Water uh we have a
[17:12] forwardfacing campaign wanted to inform
you about it. It's just add waterb.org.
[17:17] It's all one place where it's got all
water and weather information for
[17:22] western South Dakota. It's got it goes
into webcam. It's got webcams. It's got
[17:27] everything. So, if you'd like to go over
there um and it's a live active uh web
[17:32] page and that is for everybody in I say
western South Dakota, but we're getting
[17:36] a lot of statewide uh people attending
that. How Western Dakota Regional Water
[17:43] started was there was West Dakota Water
Development District had water rights
[17:48] that were coming up for renewal and they
wanted to know if they should renew
[17:51] them. They engaged South Dakota School
of Minds. School of Minds did a study.
[17:55] School of Minds said not only should you
engage them, but you need to start
[18:00] accumulating more.
Reason being, and if you look at the and
[18:05] I do have more handouts if if you'd like
them, but you have them in front of them
[18:08] in front of you. If you look at the
yellow area starting in 2020, all of our
[18:13] data, all of our science is based on
population growth. It's not based on
[18:18] industry. It's not based on data
centers. It's not based on economic
[18:23] development. If we're looking at the
growth that has been projected for about
[18:28] the past 20 years or so, we've been at
1.1 in western South Dakota. And so they
[18:34] said if there is a drought that happens
that is is anything not like the dirty
[18:40] 30s, we're not going back to to
something that drastic. You are going to
[18:45] have a drastic water shortage as of
right now. The natural recharge, which
[18:52] is the nice term for rain or snow, is we
are taking out more out of the aquifers
[18:57] than we are putting in. So they said
yes, you need to renew and you need to
[19:02] get more water rights. Water is a
tradable commodity.
[19:06] It is if you have it and you want to
sell it to another community, it is a
[19:11] revenue source. So what we did was we
formed a nonprofit organization. We've
[19:16] been around for five years. This is our
board. We currently have a board seat
[19:21] that is open and so I'll be talking with
a few people to see if uh you all would
[19:27] be interested in putting getting
somebody on the board.
[19:32] What our members have done, you've
helped build Western Dakota. This is our
[19:36] footprint currently. We are actually at
53 members. We just got two more and we
[19:40] have two more that are uh thinking about
it. One being me county uh is is uh one.
[19:46] But we do have water systems in meat
county. If you notice our footprint, we
[19:50] are missing Olga Galavala and Todd
County. The issue there is we have two
[19:55] board seats for the tribal nations.
Presidency changes every years year
[20:01] every two years. I'm not going to tell
you it's hard to get somebody that is
[20:05] interested in being on the on the board.
It's not that it's a big commitment, but
[20:10] I've made it my goal to make sure that I
get every county in western South Dakota
[20:16] as a membership. The membership is
$1,500
[20:20] a year. And we have been driving off of
that for the past five years. I like to
[20:26] put this in South Dakota drinking water
systems. If you look at it right now,
[20:30] these blue dots represent the drinking
water systems in South Dakota. East
[20:36] River is more organized. their
population is more spread out. But what
[20:40] this does not show at the state of South
Dakota, if you were under a capacity, I
[20:44] believe it's 25 connections, you do not
have to register with the state. If we
[20:50] added those small water systems, we
would have 500 more blue dots in western
[20:56] South Dakota. So, we got a lot of people
punching down into the aquifers and a
[21:02] lot of them are unregulated by the
state. But you can see that it is a
[21:05] growing issue.
And in my mind, the reason it's growing,
[21:11] we have two things that have really that
have really happened. One, co had a
[21:15] governor who said we're open for
business and they came and they got here
[21:20] and they like the South Dakota way of
life. I know that we're we're resisting
[21:23] it. Um is, you know, we want to preserve
that and I understand that, but they are
[21:28] here and so we have to deal. Our
population growth now has gone from 1.1
[21:34] to 1.73.
Now you'll see why that really makes a
[21:39] difference when it comes to water usage.
In order to do a project that we are
[21:44] this is a bold like I said legacy
project we have to have our members
[21:50] state of South Dakota and the federal
government and in order to engage the
[21:54] federal government we have to do
something called a feasibility study.
[21:59] The feasibility study is done by the
Bureau of Reclamation out of Bismar.
[22:05] They are a re reactionary agency. In
order to get them to come down and look
[22:10] at all the work we've done over five
years, I had to have an act of Congress.
[22:15] So, this year I went I got through and
rounds. They put a bill through. Um it
[22:20] it went through it's just as complicated
as you think it can be. Before you even
[22:24] get to the Senate floor for a vote,
there are six processes that have
[22:28] there's subcommittees. There's
judiciary, there's financial, there's
[22:32] the the uh actual committee vote, and I
got to testify. Um, we are through the
[22:37] Senate uh waiting for the vote. They are
just getting back from recess waiting
[22:41] for the vote in the Senate. In the
House, we've got Dusty Johnson. He has
[22:44] carried the bill. He's been a big
supporter. Also, we are at the committee
[22:48] hearing phase there. We just did I just
testified on that and now we're going uh
[22:53] for a vote in the House. So what that
will do is tell the Bureau of
[22:56] Reclamation, come down and take a look
at what they've been doing. It's a
[23:02] 500page study. I mean, tell me this
isn't the federal government. 500 pages.
[23:07] But what we've done is we've taken the
investment of our members and the state
[23:11] of South Dakota and we have completed
37% of that study. All of our funding is
[23:19] go has gone into this the problem,
defining the problem and coming up with
[23:23] the solution. So when we get the
feasibility study and we're anticipating
[23:27] the approval of them coming down after
the new year at that point we anticipate
[23:32] we'll be at 45% completed which will
take a fiveyear process.
[23:37] We're thinking about two years because
we've done we've invested so much in it.
[23:44] So why your support matters now why it
still matters as you know there are
[23:48] strength strength in numbers. We have
several things that work in our favor in
[23:53] western South Dakota. If you look at
eastern South Dakota, there are seven
[23:57] large regional water systems in western
that pull out of the Missouri. In
[24:02] western South Dakota, we have Lewis and
Clark that pulls out through Mini Woni,
[24:07] but we do not have one large regional
system. And there is strength in
[24:11] numbers. And so that's why I'm asking
you to consider staying a member with
[24:15] Western Dakota.
Here's the problem. I wanted to boil it
[24:19] down and this will mean something to
some of you to almost a schoolhouse rock
[24:23] video because when we talk about water
we talk about eight acre feet million
[24:28] gallons you know per day and that type
of thing. Right now with the 1% growth
[24:33] we use 15 gallons of water in western
South Dakota out of the aquifers.
[24:40] when we reach 2% which we are getting
there we will need 24 24 gallons
[24:48] and so these are the projections for the
next 50 years if we get to 3% we're
[24:53] going to need 40 gallons and at that
point I mean even when we get to the 2%
[24:57] which it will if numbers pencil out
we'll be getting there closer probably a
[25:02] lot faster than any of us want to
[25:07] in order to have a a third party verify
the the uh engineering and the science
[25:12] that we did. We engaged USGS. And I know
this is just a pencil of uh of the Black
[25:18] Hills area. But I want what I want you
to look at is the red area. We all punch
[25:23] down into the same aquifers. And at this
rate, the Rapid City and the area up
[25:28] into Hill City and out into Boxelder,
they are consuming more water than is
[25:34] than is naturally recharged.
Now, they have water rights.
[25:39] So they get to pull water. They're
superior water rights. They're in
[25:44] secondary and third. And in that area,
Rapid City and the surrounding area have
[25:48] a lot of superior water rights. So at
that point, they trump everybody else's
[25:53] access to water. And when it comes to
water, I want you to remember one thing.
[25:57] When it comes to water rights,
that's that's on paper. There is one
[26:03] there's a difference between uh an
appropriation or a paper of water rights
[26:09] in availability. If you do not have the
water available,
[26:14] the paper means nothing. It means who
gets to go to the well first. But if the
[26:17] well is empty, that's what we're
attempting to that's what we are going
[26:21] to solve with Western Dakota.
[clears throat]
[26:25] A lot of people ask how much water come
out. And I think this this slide is
[26:29] interesting to me because at the lowest
record flow Bismar puts in from Bismar
[26:35] 78 million acre feet. That's how we
measure water acre feet. While south the
[26:40] Missouri River flows through South
Dakota, it is ours. It is our greatest
[26:45] natural resource. And if you look at the
lowest flow rate down ever recorded down
[26:49] in Sous City between Bismar and between
uh Sous City, look how much water the
[26:56] state of South Dakota contributes back
into the Missouri River. We are in the
[27:01] Missouri River basin. All of our water
flows towards the Missouri.
[27:06] So it would be 0.1 ounce per gallon that
we would need to have have the water
[27:12] needs reliable water. We are not here to
replace current water systems. We are
[27:17] here to supplement.
We are the wholesaler. We're the Sam's
[27:22] Club. But what we've taken is all the
collective water rights of all of our
[27:26] members and we have met the uh water
projection rates which [clears throat]
[27:32] is about 75
uh million acre feet for all of our
[27:37] members. So on paper we do have that.
But the Missouri River is the most
[27:41] reliable water source. So that's why we
started there. It's big. It's bold. With
[27:46] the feasibility study, when they when we
they come in, you not only have to come
[27:50] with your big bold pipeline from the
Missouri River, 165 miles, 2,000 ft
[27:57] lift.
That's what we are proposing. 72 inch
[28:01] pipe. That is a six foot man.
Um but that is what we are proposing. I
[28:09] like to bring this one up because these
are the listing of the aquifers that we
[28:13] currently all draw out of in western
South Dakota. And I like the the purple
[28:17] line. I highlight that because if you
look at it from uh the Madison, which is
[28:22] where a majority of the water is pulled
out, the water rights by acre feet, look
[28:26] at how much it's climbed in the last 20
years. And those are people that are
[28:31] going after water rights and and water
consumption.
[28:37] Friend of mine says whisy's for
drinking, water's for fighting. And
[28:40] that's what we're going to be in here is
going to be a fight to get the natural
[28:44] resources that we need all the way out
into western South Dakota. Here's our
[28:48] solution.
The intake will be above the Aahi Dam on
[28:53] the Fort Pier side of the river. Now,
I've kept these I shouldn't say I the
[28:57] engineers have kept we've got four lift
stations to uh compensate for that 2,000
[29:02] foot lift. We've kept the yellow uh
line, the transmission water line. We've
[29:08] kept it fat. We are not about imminent
domain. We are not at that phase yet.
[29:15] But I will tell you this, being from
Fort Pier, I know a lot of ranchers in
[29:19] between there. And there's no way when
we're talking about a project of this
[29:23] magnitude that I will not make sure that
they are compensated correctly. We're
[29:29] not going to get into that. We're not
going to do a carbon pipeline thing.
[29:32] We're working, we've partnered with the
uh electrical districts and the
[29:36] companies in western South Dakota. They
are on board and they are going to work
[29:40] with us so we can part partner with the
ranchers or the land owners in that uh
[29:44] in those areas once we get down to the
idea of or the the laying of pipe. Now,
[29:50] I'm not going to sugarcoat it. It's a 30
to 40year project.
[29:57] But think of it this way. Louiswis and
Clark started in 1990. Louis and Clark
[30:01] feeds all of all the way up to Sou
Falls, goes into Iowa, goes into
[30:06] Minnesota.
They didn't put a big enough pipe. They
[30:09] just finished as a matter of fact of it
the completion. They didn't put a big
[30:12] enough pipe in. Now there's a Louiswis
and Clark 2. So they are back at the
[30:17] drawing board again to get more water to
to that area.
[30:23] This is our distribution system and this
is where we have done our our best to
[30:28] keep the costs as low as we can. We are
using current water infrastructure,
[30:32] current reservoir, storage. Um, and if
you look, we go all the way from down to
[30:38] Winter in Trip County and then we go
down to Martin.
[30:43] Those are going to be harder to get
water down there. Now, there's current
[30:47] water that goes down there with Lewis
and Clark and Minnie was shown, but like
[30:52] I said, when the feasibility study
happens, you have to have plan A, which
[30:56] is the pipeline. We also have plan B,
plan C, plan D, and plan E. The federal
[31:02] government will get to decide which one
we do. It could be plan B, let's do uh
[31:08] from wall over to the Black Hills, a
regionalization. It could be uh a
[31:13] pipeline that goes straight into the
aquifers and does recharge
[31:17] uh which would keep our aquifers at a
level that we can maintain. But we we
[31:22] had to have five plans for that.
I like to put this one in because this
[31:26] is the transmission system and this is
the elevation. And if you look right
[31:30] down there at number two, there's WASA.
[31:35] So you see this, this is the 1 ounce per
gallon of water that we will be taking
[31:39] out future funding. So what we've done
is we've taken all of the ARCA money
[31:44] that we were given. We've taken our
members uh support. We've taken the
[31:49] state money and I said we've invested it
all in the solution and in and defining
[31:54] the problem and the solution. So what
we're entering in these next two years
[31:58] is waiting for the feasibility study to
be complete. So at that point we're
[32:03] going to ramp down to bare bones. We
will have all of the engineering done.
[32:08] Everything will be completed. But
Western Dakota as a nonprofit will still
[32:12] be active and I'll still be advocating.
I do a lot of advocating in peer because
[32:18] I've made it my personal mission. There
is nobody currently representing Western
[32:24] South Dakota's water needs in Pier. I
went there last year. There was a bill
[32:29] that was brought up that was called the
greenhorn bill or yeah the greenhorn a
[32:33] bill and that was uh greenhorn is a a
layer in geology and
[32:42] the bill required that if anybody wanted
to drill down below the greenhorn they
[32:47] had to go through the department of a at
their own cost and have a study done and
[32:51] the study was coming out for each
individual well at $750,000 to a million
[32:57] dollars speech. We defeated that and but
that's what I'm there for and I I make
[33:02] it my personal mission. It is not in my
job description, but all of Western
[33:06] South Dakota water should be represented
there. So, I do that. So, the next two
[33:11] years we're we're going to be be going
down to a lot of state legislation, uh
[33:15] things like that. We'll still be working
with the federal government, but our
[33:19] science and our engineering will be
completed. This is to show you just
[33:22] where the money has gone, where well,
where it's come from. If you look at it,
[33:27] the ARPA money was the uh 10 million
that we were given from ARPA and that
[33:31] was what we have invested to get the
engineering uh completed. The state of
[33:36] South Dakota has given us a grant that
we have used that is the yellow and then
[33:41] the green area is what our members have
supported. So as you can see we have
[33:46] used every dime in a very transparent
returnable way.
[33:52] Now if you look at the next two years
since we are scaling back and and when I
[33:58] say scaling back and you guys can
understand this it's myself and an
[34:02] office manager. Now I still have access
to our engineers and we will still be
[34:06] doing things there but we are going to
run a tight ship because I want to keep
[34:11] the membership dues as low as I can. So
this year it is the 1500. Next year it
[34:17] will go up 200 and then the the next
year will go up I believe it's 175. So
[34:23] it's really keeping it down in a cost
effective way uh for the rate of return
[34:28] on what we're proposing. But once the
feasibility study is done that's when we
[34:33] go into action and I can only put TB to
be determined on there on the final one
[34:38] because that's when we will get into the
real building the actual laying of pipe.
[34:44] Now, we are also looking at pilot
projects for members. Edgemont is in a
[34:50] real pickle.
Provo's in out of compliance.
[34:57] Hot Springs has excess water. We're
starting a pilot project there where we
[35:01] will get water to our members. Another
one that is up for consideration,
[35:07] New Underwood. The arsenic and
radionucleides out there are shocking.
[35:14] shocking. Same thing with a you know any
anywhere in there where we we have a
[35:18] pilot project that we're looking at
where we start building from the Rapid
[35:22] City area and we start coming to New
Underwood and we start coming to Wall.
[35:28] So we do have pilot projects that are
going to start seeing returns for our
[35:32] members as soon as we can.
[35:37] So [clears throat] this is why your
continued investment matters. I would
[35:40] ask that you would consider it again.
This is what you get from me. The city
[35:45] of Wall can call me at any time. We you
as a member get the infrastructure and
[35:50] technical. Um uh we do have you know
operations and business support. We have
[35:56] done an assessment of your system
already with with our engineers. They
[36:00] came in and did all the water samples
and all of that. We have all that
[36:03] information. Um so we are up to to date.
But if there's anything in here that you
[36:08] as the city uh wall about water needs
help with, I [laughter] I don't want you
[36:14] going to talk about data center. Um uh I
am here as a resource and this is just a
[36:22] look at the the just add water sd.org.
I'd encourage you to go there.
[36:27] That's it.
>> Thank you very much.
[36:31] » It's a lot. I know [clears throat]
it's a lot. any questions you can think
[36:36] of now.
Okay. My contact information is on
[36:40] there. Email me. It's my cell phone
number. You can call me. Um I would be
[36:45] available for anything.
>> Thank you. A lot of great information.
[36:49] » Yeah.
>> I don't know that I have a comprehended
[36:53] all at this time, but uh glad you came.
>> Well, I would be more than willing to
[36:57] come over and take you to
>> But I know we're a supporter and
[37:01] » Yes, you are. and I appreciate it. Thank
you.
[37:05] » So, are you asking for the funding still
then for
[37:08] » Yep. It would be a $1,500 request for
2027.
[37:12] » I'll make that motion. Have you already
did that or
[37:15] » It's for 2027. I come now. It's for next
year.
[37:21] » In the budget.
>> Yeah.
[37:24] » I'm gonna pull my computer so you can
get back to the real business.
[37:28] » Thank you guys for your time. Thank you.
Thank you.
[37:31] » I think you need to
[37:35] for the owl.
[37:42] » Okay.
Next on the agenda is the doll's
[37:47] chainsaw approach access.
[clears throat]
[37:51] » Jonathan was supposed to be here
tonight. [laughter]
[37:55] We just have a problem with uh
the school and our parking. Uh we was
[38:03] hoping that we could uh uh get it so
that we could get handicap markings uh
[38:12] in front where um the they have
unloading for handicap people. Um, we
[38:21] was hoping that we could get that
painted and then, uh, as for the rest of
[38:26] it, um, I don't know. I had said
something a long time ago to another
[38:33] manager about, uh, having um,
parking that was designated and at one
[38:43] time we did have like Jacko uh, parking.
Um if there could be a way that the
[38:50] school
with the activities and the um
[38:57] dolls can coincide together so that
everything
[39:02] has it so that we can have parking for
our customers. Um Jonathan said things
[39:08] about towing people. Uh I think that's
too drastic. Um, I think it's better
[39:14] that somebody maybe from the city
council could actually talk to the
[39:20] school and be an arbitrator between uh
what's going on between the dolls and um
[39:27] the school so that we do have places
that um we can have for our customers.
[39:36] Uh our hours are 8 to 6 usually. Uh
Jonathan goes in at 9 to 5 basically,
[39:43] but um we just have problems with having
parking for our customers. So uh I don't
[39:50] want it to get to the point where they
uh um tow people away. Uh I've like the
[39:58] school. I like the teachers. I like the
the whole setup of the school. And I've
[40:05] worked with many of them. So, I wouldn't
want to see anything like that
[40:08] happening. [clears throat] So, uh I
guess you have to kind of talk to
[40:14] Jonathan Moore. His daughter had was
running a fever today. So, I worked for
[40:19] him. So, uh I just thought that I'd come
in and tell him what he had told me,
[40:25] which was, you know, trying to get it so
that they have it painted where it's
[40:30] handicapped. And then uh also uh try to
get it so that the school works with
[40:36] them so that when they have activities
they don't take up all the parking
[40:40] spots.
>> Are those parking spots in front of the
[40:43] Jacob corner?
>> The Yeah. Well, yeah. There's should be
[40:48] like three spots from the the corner to
the to the end of the jackaloupe to
[40:55] their lot. Three or four spots. But when
we have football games.
[41:00] » So, can we place the sign? It's a
>> Well, I I don't I don't know. We almost
[41:06] have to get individual signs.
>> Can we do that? Maybe. Um I I don't
[41:12] know. I don't
>> It's a public street. Yeah.
[41:16] » Yeah. So, I don't I don't know.
>> Anybody?
[41:19] » Jonathan was the one that called the
sheriff. I wasn't. So, I don't know what
[41:23] he has to say about it, but uh he put us
on the um docket and I he didn't show
[41:32] tonight. So, I have to sit there and
guess kind of what was going on, but
[41:36] from what I understand, he wanted it to
be painted. and uh uh he wanted to to
[41:42] have it where we have certain spots that
we can make sure that the um
[41:50] jackal chains are has
you know access to so that that we can
[41:57] make sure our customers come because uh
then right now everybody's parking
[42:01] across the street over at powerhouse so
I guess you'll have to talk to Jonathan
[42:06] more but um that was what I is told.
Okay.
[42:11] » I would believe if we talked to Dr.
Cowser, she would work with some of the
[42:15] school kids. I do know when they play
games out of town the school, they load
[42:20] on the school bus and they get uniforms
and they use that. I I'm guessing that
[42:25] she would try to get the student art and
we did put her signs up and it didn't
[42:34] work much, but um I don't know. They
took the signs down and handed them back
[42:39] over to the statues and I threw them
away because we have one on our door.
[42:44] So, it's kind of one of those things
that if uh we can try to figure out some
[42:49] kind of a resolution to the problem,
that would be great. But, like I said, I
[42:55] don't know. Uh Jonathan was the one that
called the sheriff and he talked to Will
[42:59] Christopherson and I don't know exactly
what was all said. I just know that he
[43:04] said that he would like to get it
painted and uh we would like to have
[43:08] maybe designated spots that we are for
us that that they can park at the
[43:16] weekend. So that's all.
>> Thank you. I know we did talk with
[43:20] Garrett uh the other day. He he's not
here today, but I think he was going to
[43:26] contact the sheriff, see what we could
do there as far as painting um
[43:31] » a handicap. Why handicap?
>> Yeah. Would there need to be like a
[43:36] handicap approach to it then for
>> Well, I'm trying to visualize that.
[43:40] There isn't one, is there?
>> No, it's all curved.
[43:43] » Curved all the way along.
>> There's only one spot that's down real
[43:47] low
>> because they're street.
[43:50] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[43:52] And that that uh spot that you're
talking about was the old approach from
[43:57] the west side into that gravel park you
lived initially.
[44:00] » Yeah.
>> And I I think we're going to have a very
[44:04] difficult time taking city parking and
designating it for
[44:10] for that that particular business. I
understand the handicapped sign. Um and
[44:16] and trying to get that straightened out,
but as far as parking, um I I don't know
[44:21] that we can designate parking
specifically for that business.
[44:27] » Yeah. I I don't know either. I guess um
I said to the owner, "What is it that
[44:33] you want to happen tonight at the city
council meeting?" And he didn't answer
[44:38] me. So, uh, Jonathan is the one that's
pushing, um, this more than anything.
[44:45] And I just, uh, word today instead of
him and
[44:50] he was supposed to show up for the
meeting and he didn't. So, um, I I don't
[44:55] know. I I just kind of briefed Lee said,
"What did you want to happen?" And said
[45:01] he'd like to get it painted and um, try
to get it individually marked somehow.
[45:09] So maybe have him get on the next agenda
to help you with us.
[45:15] » Yeah, I'm sorry.
>> No, you're good. You did fine. Yeah, we
[45:18] we at least have an idea.
>> Yeah.
[45:21] » of what what
>> but it's it's kind of the school and uh
[45:26] dolls kind of clashing and um
like I said,
[45:33] I went to school here. So to me, this
is, you know, amazing that school does
[45:40] so well.
>> So it's very it's very hard for me to be
[45:46] kind of in the middle of this. I don't
like it.
[45:50] » Well, we appreciate it. And we I know
we'll consider at least looking at the
[45:54] uh handicap. Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. I appreciate that. Thank
[45:58] you.
>> Thank you. Any other questions?
[46:03] If not, we have a concern form for 217
10th Avenue
[46:12] like the parking lot's full of weeds,
flood
[46:16] around the shed around behind a
building.
[46:20] It's at the corner
question because I've heard in the past,
[46:25] did anybody contact the owners about
this?
[46:29] That's what we're needing direction
from.
[46:32] » I've heard from people before we bring
the request here, discuss them public in
[46:39] front of everyone and they not they
don't even know about it and it's kind
[46:42] of not fair to the owners. they need to
at least give them a call. tell them you
[46:48] have two weeks to do this and if it's
not happening then we can do
[46:53] » this has been how the process has been
changed too Phil is that form has to be
[46:58] submitted first
because you guys have to give the
[47:03] direction on whether a letter be sent or
how we need to handle request letter
[47:09] regardless everyone to take care of the
property based on our ordinances
[47:14] probably should indicate the ordinance
number and
[47:17] We do when we send a letter, but we need
direction from it's not just something
[47:21] to have done.
>> Set a process how to do it. Instead of
[47:25] just talking about people in open
session, we don't call the name.
[47:28] » We're not talking about people,
>> but it's obvious because I've heard it
[47:32] before. It happened here and people were
upset that they didn't even get a
[47:36] warning and it was discussed among
everybody. So, um I think
[47:41] » that's the process though. I have to
take the totally should change the
[47:44] process. So, it's
[47:48] But I wouldn't leave it on the our
office to do that. I mean, that was done
[47:53] before and we were criticized for that.
Same way with public works is, oh well,
[47:58] we've had some words and so they're just
picking on us type thing and that's why
[48:02] it was directed for the council to give
them out or to do. I I don't know. I
[48:08] don't see a problem.
>> So, for now then um probably you just
[48:12] need direction to send them a letter.
>> Yep. We don't have to discuss it any
[48:16] further.
>> No, two weeks from the time the letter
[48:19] is sent and if it isn't remedied then we
talk about it in open session and
[48:27] solutions.
>> Correct.
[48:29] » And then we'll have to look at how we
handle that in the future.
[48:38] » I have a motion from Jerry. Second.
Second from Mike. Any further
[48:42] discussion? Hearing none. All in favor
say I. I. I.
[48:46] » All oppose. Same sign. Motion carries.
Item number 17. Uh, [clears throat]
[48:53] public comments. A time for members of
the public to discuss or express
[48:56] concerns to the council with any issue
on or not on the agenda. Action will not
[49:02] be taken on the issue until it can get
added to the next meeting agenda. Each
[49:06] person will have three minutes to
address their concerns. Do we have any
[49:10] public comments?
[49:17] We can probably if you want we can wait
till 18. Can you do you have a minute?
[49:22] » Can you stay?
>> Yep.
[49:25] Any public [clears throat] comments?
[49:31] Hearing none.
Let's move on to item number 18. Uh the
[49:36] planning commission recommendation on
reszone and ordinance changes.
[49:41] have that in your packet,
I believe.
[49:46] » So, and I got a few things. So, I was
contacted um by a number of people um
[49:54] in LA most recent days here in regards
to this um with a number of concerns. Um
[50:04] probably the biggest concern um that has
been voiced is changing the the zoning
[50:11] to commercial.
Um and concern as far as doing that. Um
[50:19] there were a number of other other
concerns but you know after listening to
[50:23] them most of them that was
the biggest issue. I spoke with Dar
[50:31] today in regards to that and just kind
of I I just want there to be some
[50:37] options um for these guys. I I think
it's the entire council likes what you
[50:44] guys are doing. We want you to be able
to proceed.
[50:49] It's just the zoning deal. And I think
that we may have some options there.
[50:55] possible location changes as well with
talking with Dar as far as but that
[51:02] those are all options. But anyway, um
and so I was kind of looking at it and
[51:09] um the multiple or sorry the um the
medium density residential if that's a
[51:16] possibility. Um, I also spoke with Chris
uh bet um
[51:22] and he had kind of voiced he said he had
voiced his concern with the planning and
[51:26] zoning commission in regards to that. Um
h have we looked into that Carolyn? Is
[51:32] that a possibility that it could be
zoned under a medium density
[51:38] residential?
>> You're going to have to change the
[51:40] ordinance to implement that zone.
Currently, we don't have that zone in
[51:45] place.
>> Sure. So we have to change the order.
[51:48] » Have any of you guys been reached out
to?
[51:52] » You know, we can create a different
zoning and we talked about it at the
[51:55] planning and zoning. Um truly I don't
feel like we need to create a different
[52:01] zoning district. I don't see why we do
not have multifamily
[52:06] dwelling units under the residential
district. I why we can't I don't
[52:11] understand why it's not included. So
instead of creating a new zoning
[52:16] district, we probably just need to
include the multif family dwelling units
[52:22] into the residential district
for me. Um I looked in our uh commercial
[52:31] zoning district. We do have apartments.
It doesn't say multif family dwellings
[52:38] but by the way we do have words
multifamily dwelling under the
[52:43] wastewater ordinance and I don't know
why we do not even have this in our
[52:48] time. Um so we do have apartments and
seven second floor apartments which is
[52:57] for example if somebody wants to build
over when we had businesses who had
[53:01] apartments on the second floor cactus
cafe used to have one makes sense why it
[53:06] was in the commercial under conditional
uses but I don't understand why we never
[53:13] included multif family welling units
into our residential zoning Indry.
[53:19] So that makes more sense.
We can create that's what city does. Uh
[53:26] they do have
it's a multi-use. Um but
[53:34] are we going to have a bunch of
apartments stop popping up here? In that
[53:37] case maybe we should have a different
district. But truly why we can't have it
[53:41] under our just residential and then it's
going to be zoned residential and it's
[53:46] going to be conditional use just like it
is right now in the commercial
[53:53] and then we don't have to go to this
hole. If you think about the long term
[53:57] for these three labs is that best use
commercial.
[54:04] » Can I ask one question? Um,
as far as when you guys are discussing
[54:09] this, when you look at a conditional use
permit, which correct me if I'm wrong,
[54:14] but all conditional use permits have to
be re-evaluated and reapproved every 3
[54:18] years.
Just my opinion that you would want to
[54:23] be classified where you didn't have to
>> apply every three years for additional
[54:28] use per.
>> No, this is not
[54:30] » not the case in our commercial zoning.
But no, but if it was under residential
[54:36] » because we have separate ordinance
that's under business license and it's
[54:40] only three categories that are included
there for three year renewal. Everything
[54:45] else is not.
>> Okay. So it wouldn't have to be renewed
[54:49] then it's only daycare saloons and
Airbnbs.
[54:54] » It's a separate Yeah.
>> So we don't have to renew.
[55:00] It just allows the council or the
commission, whoever, to
[55:05] require some possible conditions that
they would want you to meet with your
[55:12] request is all that's the conditional
uses in those sections.
[55:18] » Like for instance,
>> sorry. Oh, I'm sorry to which you guys
[55:23] have covered, but as an example, if they
didn't feel you had enough parking for
[55:27] your apartment unit, they could say,
well, this will be approved based on
[55:32] having whatever number of parking
spaces. That's what the conditional use
[55:36] means in the zoning section of the
ordinances.
[55:41] » Would that be of suffice you got here?
>> Yeah. Um, I mean, as far as the
[55:45] apartments go, you know, we first of all
wanted to hear uh what people's concerns
[55:51] were. You know, we want a happy project
of of what we do. So, is it a zoning
[55:56] issue that people have? Is it the
apartment issue that people have? You
[55:59] know, that's kind of what I want to hear
is what's what's an issue out there so
[56:04] that we can address it. And for the most
part, John, it was the zoning issue.
[56:10] People were just nervous about that. Um,
you know, there there are other
[56:14] concerns, but I think that
they and correct me if I'm wrong. I
[56:19] mean, I spoke with you.
>> I could speak to some of them if you if
[56:22] you like,
>> John.
[56:23] » Yeah, because MDR is what we my first
email actually Katie sent to you. That's
[56:28] what we requested was MDR, not knowing
that, you know, Wall didn't have MDR. It
[56:34] runs under the commercial. So, we're
just basically going under the zoning
[56:39] that the city's asking us to go under.
Yep.
[56:41] » Yeah. And and you know, for some of you
guys that weren't here um before aren't
[56:48] aware of it, uh John and I started this
process probably 3 years ago or so. When
[56:55] we originally came to the council, we
kind of came up with some ideas and
[56:58] looked around and we proposed a piece of
property that was owned by the city. Um
[57:04] and then we were, you know, just kind of
pushed away from that and pushed towards
[57:10] Echo Valley. Well, hey, Echo Valley has
lots available, you know. Why don't you
[57:15] guys look in that direction first, you
know? So, then that's how we ended up
[57:19] where we were at um coming up with what
I felt was
[57:25] a a good spot, an excellent spot, and a
heck of a building to put up out there.
[57:30] So, you know, I really feel like we were
guided in the direction that we've gone.
[57:36] So, um, just wanted to make sure
everybody was aware that this isn't
[57:40] fresh. We've been dealing, we've been
working on this for a long time. So,
[57:44] » and I appreciate that. I know there's
several of us new folks on here that
[57:49] that's good history.
>> Yeah.
[57:53] » So, I think we just move forward and we
change the we amend the ordinances, but
[57:59] we probably can't get it to the next
meeting.
[58:03] » Listen to Lex. Sure. Um, just a couple
things. Um, I think to, and I don't
[58:09] know, I can't speak for everybody. Um, I
for one think that I don't know if you
[58:13] guys saw the picture when you walked in,
but this is pretty awesome. Um, so I'm
[58:17] 100% in favor of of apartments. I think
our town needs uh, you know, multifamily
[58:24] options. Um, my concern was um, the
zoning. Um, and you just mentioned it,
[58:30] so you pretty much just kashed any other
concern. I mean, if you came to the city
[58:34] council originally with an MDR, that's
what my thought process was is why would
[58:39] we not zone this as MDR and why would it
be commercial? Um, because none of us
[58:45] have a crystal ball. Um, I actually
think these two guys are you couldn't
[58:49] ask for anybody better to probably build
these buildings. I mean, I I trust these
[58:52] guys that they're going to do a great
job with it. Um, but 20 years down the
[58:57] road, 25 years down the road, let's say,
you know, these guys sell that or or
[59:02] whatever, right? Well, what's going to
happen to it then? Well, if it's zoned
[59:07] correctly, um, you know, then there
doesn't end up being commercial zoning
[59:12] in one of your great residential areas.
Um, so I don't necessarily have a
[59:18] problem with, you know, any of the
project. It's more so the commercial.
[59:22] Um, you know, from a personal
standpoint, do I think it's the greatest
[59:26] location?
Not sure. I mean, there's train tracks
[59:30] right there. I don't know if I'm how
great that is or if that's going to
[59:33] present an issue for you guys. Um, maybe
it doesn't at all. Um, and I I do think
[59:38] you guys had talked about um at one
point you had looked at a different
[59:42] location in town um and got kind of told
no on that. Correct me if I'm wrong on
[59:47] that.
>> Yeah, we've looked at multiple spots.
[59:50] » Okay. Um I I thought maybe a good
location for it, you know, potentially
[59:55] was the one they were originally looking
at from my understanding, which was
[59:58] behind the grocery store. Um provides a
lot of great amenities at just better
[1:00:03] access for their residents to maybe be
there. Um I don't know that you're ever
[1:00:08] going to get access underneath the
bridge to the school and to town and
[1:00:13] things like that. Um if you do, great.
then the location's even even better to
[1:00:17] know because you have great location for
that apartment complex to be able
[1:00:21] because then it's on the north side of
Stone Drive versus like the south side,
[1:00:25] right? North side makes more sense. Um
so that was kind of the main concern of
[1:00:30] of mine. Um just that yeah, the that the
property not be zoned commercial was my
[1:00:36] concern. Um, I just feel like that'd be
a mistake um, in the long term. Um, and
[1:00:42] it could bring some possibly negative
options to a residential area. Um, I
[1:00:46] just don't feel like commercial zoning
is a is the right zoning for the area
[1:00:51] that is picked for this. Um, but no,
there's there's I don't know that
[1:00:56] there's a ton of concern as far as the
apartment building in general. Um, there
[1:01:00] was a little bit like Mike mentioned
about the location. Um, I don't have a
[1:01:04] huge problem with the the location
thing. Um, as long as it's zoned
[1:01:08] correctly, um, and taken care of
properly. It looks like they're they're
[1:01:13] great apartments. So, um, I think that's
kind of the main concerns was, um,
[1:01:18] zoning, a little bit of location, and
then maybe, you know, the cost of them.
[1:01:25] You know, what what's the cost of these
apartments going to be? Um, do they ever
[1:01:28] become subsidized? Um, those weren't the
top concerns, but just more questions
[1:01:34] than concerns, I guess, on that if what
the long-term plan or goal was on the in
[1:01:41] the
um logistics of how that looks, I guess.
[1:01:47] So, maybe you could speak a little bit
to that side of things just on what the
[1:01:51] long-term plan on is it for I understand
12 apartments. Okay.
[1:01:56] » Yep.
>> Um, but and I let these guys talk on
[1:01:59] that. I don't know about the ins and
outs of the project, but so thanks for
[1:02:03] your time on that, guys.
[1:02:08] » Yeah, it's a 12 unit apartment complex.
Uh there's eight two-bedroom units in
[1:02:15] there. There's two um one-bedroom units
in there, and there's two studio units
[1:02:22] in there. Um, as most of you know, um,
we've also or I've also built some town
[1:02:29] homes over there that are threebedroom.
And I think, you know, if you guys check
[1:02:34] out your um,
housing study that the city pays for
[1:02:40] every few years, you'll see that what we
are proposing is almost following it to
[1:02:46] a tea, exactly what the study is
requesting. So, we're not just kind of
[1:02:51] falling into this blindly. We've taken
our time. We've done our homework and uh
[1:02:58] we're just looking to proceed with the
project.
[1:03:03] So, but if anybody has absolutely any
questions, I mean, right now will be the
[1:03:07] time to to answer them.
>> Would you would you be in favor of a of
[1:03:11] an MDR, John?
>> I'd be all over an MDR.
[1:03:15] » Yep. I don't have a problem with that's
the zoning that typically we would apply
[1:03:19] for on anything.
So, every town obviously has a little
[1:03:25] bit of a different avenue on how they
word their zoning or what they what they
[1:03:30] use it for. You know, right now,
correct me if I'm wrong, Carolyn, but in
[1:03:35] single family,
as long as the covenants allow for it,
[1:03:39] you can go up to eight units.
And so this is basically and what like
[1:03:47] say for instance the city of Rapid City
would do they designate certain areas
[1:03:51] for below units and once they get you
know between that basically six and 20
[1:03:57] units it's one way once you get so many
stories you get into high density
[1:04:01] residential everybody just classifies it
different ways but as far as commercial
[1:04:07] we have no intentions of building
anything commercial there in any kind of
[1:04:11] business We strictly want to build our
apartments. So, we're just following the
[1:04:16] guidelines that the city's given us.
This is what the city zoning is as
[1:04:20] commercial. So, that's what we
requested.
[1:04:22] » Yeah. And John actually in the email
that he originally drafted it up request
[1:04:26] was for MDR. Um so, yeah, we reviewed
that today. So, just not knowing 100%
[1:04:32] what the reclassification when the city
went through and changed their um uh
[1:04:37] classifications were. So, I mean, that's
what
[1:04:40] » But you were at a rack in a hard spot
because it was like, well, the only way
[1:04:44] we can get this done is if we go
commercial because the way the zoning is
[1:04:46] currently in the city.
>> Yeah. Right.
[1:04:49] » You you didn't have any way to move
forward other than to get it requested
[1:04:53] as that.
>> Yeah. The the city tells us how to zone
[1:04:56] it. Okay. Yep.
>> We've never had MDRs for zoning. I mean,
[1:05:00] when we redid our zoning ordinance, we
just wrote it to include the zonings
[1:05:05] that we did have. The only one we added
was highway commercial, which we felt
[1:05:10] was a need to change.
>> Yeah.
[1:05:12] » My opinion on this one, like Lily said,
if if you think you're going to be
[1:05:17] building more areas of apartments, then
maybe look at it, but that's going to be
[1:05:21] a lot slower process for them to add
that MDR because
[1:05:25] » I believe you can amend your residential
to incorporate
[1:05:30] multi-dwelling unit.
>> That's
[1:05:33] what we're trying to do. You just amend
your residential is what Lily said,
[1:05:36] right?
>> This is easier
[1:05:40] » create a brand new one
>> because we're not going to put an an MDU
[1:05:44] district in there just for apartments.
We're going to have to look at what are
[1:05:48] the things and how it needs to be
written to cover. There's just going to
[1:05:51] be a lot more detail to it rather than
amending the residential.
[1:05:57] » No, I understand that. It's just a
precedence for I'm not saying a bunch of
[1:06:01] apartments are going to pop up in the
wall, right?
[1:06:02] » [clears throat]
>> But in 5 to 10 to 20 years from now,
[1:06:05] maybe there is another one that comes up
that's a above an 8 unit, then they have
[1:06:12] to go through the same struggle that
John and Dar went through. Why why make
[1:06:17] that next person go through the same
struggle just to fix it the right way
[1:06:20] now and and amend it properly so that it
residential but and then we we still
[1:06:29] going to leave it in the commercial in
case somebody wants to build it in the
[1:06:35] commercial. So, we we're going to have
it in both
[1:06:38] » and [clears throat] then
>> we're just going to call it multif
[1:06:40] family dwelling units.
>> And would some of our other
[1:06:44] apartments that Wall currently has,
would they be able to fall under the
[1:06:49] same category?
>> They're already residential now and
[1:06:54] they're grandfathered. Yeah.
>> To me, an apartment is a resident.
[1:06:58] Granted, they're there to rent and they
are money to pay for it, but they're
[1:07:03] they're residential. We have people that
own houses here that don't live in them
[1:07:07] and rent them out. We don't make them be
a commercial district, right? But to me,
[1:07:11] it's going to be a residential building.
I see no problem.
[1:07:15] » I do have one question maybe just about
John and Dard. You guys mentioned your
[1:07:19] previous location. Is there would you
guys have a preference on that or maybe
[1:07:23] since you've done enough initial work on
the current location at um Stone Drive
[1:07:28] if if you were to be granted the
location that you originally proposed
[1:07:34] and you I mean that's would you rather
be at your original location or the
[1:07:38] location that you're proposing now at
Stone Drive just out of curiosity and I
[1:07:42] don't mean to put you on the spot but
>> but you're going to
[1:07:47] answer that part. I was the one that
opposed the original. They were going to
[1:07:52] take land away from the rodeo grounds.
I'm very agriculture. They loved that
[1:07:56] one spot because it was right next to a
grocery store. Their apartment renters
[1:08:00] could walk to it. I did not want them to
see them taking away from our rodeo and
[1:08:06] our rodeo has grown tremendously in the
past few years and they plan on growing
[1:08:11] even more. So I will always stand behind
our rodeo and our rodeo kids and I will
[1:08:17] always stand behind all kids of all. So
I will never want to take anything away
[1:08:22] from
>> So that was the original reason for not
[1:08:24] having that location.
>> I fought it. I fought it. I'll just tell
[1:08:27] you
>> because that where it was at the rodeo
[1:08:29] center.
>> Yes. It was going to take away a lot of
[1:08:32] parking for the rodeo.
>> That's why I fought that one and I'm
[1:08:36] sorry I was
>> Oh no, you're good. I mean that was the
[1:08:38] spot we wanted to be at. You know, we
didn't get the go-ahehead on that. So,
[1:08:42] we moved on and found our next best
location.
[1:08:45] » I didn't know it was
>> what it is. I was sitting right next to
[1:08:48] Dar here and I didn't know it was Dar
that was the one even in the process
[1:08:53] yet.
[1:08:56] » So, to your question,
>> so we basically say as we say, yeah, it
[1:09:00] was back in planning and zone to add.
>> Well, and to your question, the
[1:09:04] publication went out as amendments to
this chapter of the ordinance. So it did
[1:09:11] not say
>> okay.
[1:09:13] » So it said amending. So we can still add
that into at the next meeting.
[1:09:18] » Okay.
>> So it's not going to be an issue.
[1:09:20] » Yeah. It's going to be September 21st I
believe. Right.
[1:09:23] » Yes. Y
>> do I need a motion for that?
[1:09:26] » No.
>> Next meeting.
[1:09:28] » No, it'll just go back to the next
meeting.
[1:09:32] » That well I guess give me some
clarification on what your the council's
[1:09:36] plan is to move forward. So as soon as
they amend the ordinance, the council is
[1:09:42] going to approve it, I assume. So um yes
and then truly you don't have the only
[1:09:50] time you have to come here with your
building permit.
[1:09:53] » Okay.
>> Yeah. And
[1:09:54] » if it's outside any requirements, if
it's if you do not ask for any variances
[1:10:00] on what you're allowed on that lot,
>> Garrett and I as administrators will
[1:10:05] approve it. It's only if you would ask
for something outside of our ordinance
[1:10:09] that does isn't enough.
>> Okay.
[1:10:12] » And I don't know how much we have in our
ordinance. The only thing I found about
[1:10:15] the parking and which is you guys have
one and a half per unit.
[1:10:20] » Yeah. So this is the only thing I found.
Um
[1:10:24] said I mean and I think you guys
probably give us more than we know what
[1:10:30] needs to be done there truly because you
already have it all
[1:10:35] » designed. Yeah. Oh, at the next council
meeting and you'll amend yours. What are
[1:10:40] you saying?
>> So, it's going to do it's going to go to
[1:10:42] the planning and zoning and they meet on
September 21st.
[1:10:46] » Meeting is the 17th. So, it's going to
be October.
[1:10:49] » October.
>> October.
[1:10:50] » But truly at this point, I mean, you
guys don't do anything until you start
[1:10:55] the
>> Okay. All the process we went through,
[1:10:59] the signage, the letters, all still
qualified for what we've done here.
[1:11:04] » Okay. Uh,
did they have to pay something for this
[1:11:08] for the res?
>> No.
[1:11:13] » Just the building.
>> Yeah.
[1:11:17] » So, that that's part of the uh zoning
request. The other part was the changes
[1:11:22] to the um for the uh Airbnb stuff.
>> Correct. And I was just sharing with the
[1:11:30] council, you know, the proposed
ordinance changes that Lily had and
[1:11:35] stuff. Not expecting any action really
on this at all. I didn't know there was
[1:11:41] going to be question on the reszone
either.
[1:11:44] Wasn't expecting any action. I just
wanted the council to be informed of
[1:11:48] what was done at the planning and zoning
and so but it's not going to affect
[1:11:53] anything.
[1:11:56] Okay. Are we done that one?
>> You guys happy?
[1:12:00] » You guys good?
>> Yeah. We'll just
[1:12:02] » Yeah. make the amendment and see how it
reads.
[1:12:06] » Cheaper taxes for you guys, too.
[laughter]
[1:12:08] » Perfect.
Cheaper taxes for
[1:12:13] » Okay.
Next on the list is the Industrial Park
[1:12:18] a bid for the second cutting,
>> which we did not receive any bids on. So
[1:12:24] there will be no second.
>> Okay.
[1:12:34] Next on the agenda is the industrial
park land transfers.
[1:12:45] » All right.
Well, good evening. All right.
[1:12:51] Hang with me. All right.
like to thank my board for coming and
[1:12:55] supporting me in this um and thanking
you allowing for me to speak on about
[1:12:59] the proposal to transfer the industrial
property to the wall economic
[1:13:03] development corporation. I want to start
by addressing the biggest concerns I
[1:13:07] believe some of you may have. Are we
giving away a city asset and putting the
[1:13:11] land at risk? My answer is no. This
proposal is not about taking an asset
[1:13:16] away from the community. It is about
putting an existing community asset into
[1:13:20] the hands of an organization whose
specific purpose is economic
[1:13:24] development. WEDC is an arm of the
community. Our mission is to help Wall
[1:13:29] grow, create opportunities, support
local businesses, attract new
[1:13:33] businesses, and build a stronger economy
economic future for our community. And I
[1:13:39] want to be very clear. I am not asking
for all of the city's land. I am asking
[1:13:44] specifically for the industrial park.
Once replatted, the city the city will
[1:13:49] still have 116 acres of land surrounding
the airport. The industrial park was
[1:13:55] created for economic development.
Transferring it to WEDC puts that asset
[1:14:00] directly with the organization focused
on using it to create businesses, jobs,
[1:14:05] investment, and opportunities. It gives
WEDC a stronger balance sheet and allows
[1:14:10] us to pursue funding opportunities that
may not otherwise be available. funds
[1:14:15] specifically for economic development
corporations. For example, WEDC is
[1:14:20] pursuing funding through Dakota
Resources. That funding does not require
[1:14:24] us to put the industrial park land up as
collateral. The land is being recognized
[1:14:29] as an asset on our balance sheet. This
is different from borrowing money
[1:14:33] against the land, putting the property
at risk. So [clears throat] the concerns
[1:14:38] that WDC could borrow money, default,
and the city could lose the industrial
[1:14:43] park is not what was proposed. We are
using the land as an asset to strengthen
[1:14:48] WDC's uh financial position and its
ability ability to attract outside
[1:14:53] resources. This will help us pursue
grants, loans, partnerships, and
[1:14:58] investments that bring new money into
wall. It can help us create affordable
[1:15:03] commercial spaces, the trades incubator,
opportunities for entrepreneurs,
[1:15:07] facilities for growing local businesses,
new businesses and new jobs, and
[1:15:12] development opportunities that otherwise
might never happen. Let's be honest,
[1:15:17] Wall has a very real economic
development problem. We don't have
[1:15:21] enough commercial space outside of the
industrial park. There are very few, if
[1:15:26] any, options for business that wants to
start and expand. There are not
[1:15:31] buildings sitting empty that businesses
can simply move into. And while the
[1:15:35] industrial park provides land, many
small businesses cannot afford to buy a
[1:15:40] lot and immediately build the building.
That's where [clears throat] the trades
[1:15:44] business incubator comes in. The
incubator becomes the stepping stone.
[1:15:48] Local entrepreneurs can start with an
affordable space, establish their
[1:15:52] business, build customers, hire
employees, and grow. Then when they are
[1:15:57] ready, they can move into their own
building into the industrial park.
[1:16:00] That's the grow, the goal. Start here,
grow here, build here, and stay here. We
[1:16:06] already have a local business committed
to be our anchor tenant. So, this is not
[1:16:11] just a concept. We have a local local
businesses that need this type of space.
[1:16:17] We also [clears throat]
have no office spaces. We don't have a
[1:16:22] supply of offices for someone starting a
professional or service-based business.
[1:16:26] And with the ending of First
International Bank's office spaces, we
[1:16:30] have several current businesses that are
in need of offices. There are
[1:16:34] non-existing [clears throat] buildings
where they can simply create that space.
[1:16:38] The incubator can help with that, too.
It can provide shop space for trades and
[1:16:42] office spaces for other small
businesses, giving entrepreneurs
[1:16:46] somewhere to start without having to
take on the cost of purchasing land and
[1:16:50] constructing a building on day one. This
helps the entire community. The goal
[1:16:55] isn't to keep businesses in the
incubator forever. The goal is to help
[1:16:58] them succeed and eventually move out and
grow. They grow. When they
[1:17:03] [clears throat] grow, they hire people.
When they hire people, we attract
[1:17:07] families. When businesses build or buy
properties, we grow our tax base. And
[1:17:13] when businesses succeed, we create more
demand for other businesses and services
[1:17:17] and wall. That is economic development.
There is another issue that we need to
[1:17:22] consider. As we sell lots further into
the industrial park, additional
[1:17:26] infrastructure will eventually be
needed. This is a significant
[1:17:29] responsibility for the city, especially
considering the city's current and
[1:17:33] future infrastructure obligations. WEDC
can help by pursuing economic
[1:17:38] development funds that may be available
to help us with that infrastructure.
[1:17:42] Instead of the asking the city to carry
the entire burden, WEDC can work to
[1:17:48] bring in outside dollars for the
project. This proposal also protects the
[1:17:52] community. What happens if something
goes wrong and WDC dissolves, which is
[1:17:57] another important concern? The property
would revert back to the city. The
[1:18:01] community is not permanently giving up
this asset. There's protections built
[1:18:05] into the arrangement that ensures the
industrial park ultimately remains a
[1:18:09] community asset. I also want to address
another concern. If someday the city
[1:18:14] itself needs additional resources
because a pump goes down, having the
[1:18:18] industrial park with WDC could actually
provide another revenue for the
[1:18:23] community to access funding. WDC may be
able to pursue other resources that are
[1:18:28] not available to the city in the same
way. So then rather than taking an asset
[1:18:33] away from the city, we are creating
another community entity capable of
[1:18:37] leveraging that assets to bring
resources into wall. What doesn't change
[1:18:42] this transfer does not mean the city
loses all the benefits associated with
[1:18:46] the industrial park. Hanging remains the
same. The city will continue to issue
[1:18:50] the hang bids and receive 100% of the
hanging revenue. The existing land sale
[1:18:55] agreement also remains in place with 75%
of the lot sale revenue going to the
[1:19:00] city and 25% going to WDC to support
ongoing economic development work and
[1:19:06] build WDC's capacity. So [clears throat]
this isn't about changing everything.
[1:19:11] It's about changing the hold of an asset
so it can be used more effective for
[1:19:17] economic development. This is about the
future of wall. I understand the land is
[1:19:21] valuable. I understand why the council
would be protective of a city asset. You
[1:19:27] should be. The question is isn't simple.
[clears throat]
[1:19:31] What does a city give up? We should also
ask what can wall gain. Entrepreneurs
[1:19:37] can't afford to immediately buy land and
build. We have limited shop space, no
[1:19:43] office space. The industrial park can
change that. The trades and conveyor
[1:19:47] gives businesses a place to start. The
industrial park gives them somewhere to
[1:19:50] grow. We sec can help bring outside
funding to the table. And ultimately,
[1:19:57] successful businesses create jobs,
family investments, and a stronger task
[1:20:02] base. We aren't asking the city to give
away an asset. We are asking the city to
[1:20:07] put the asset to work. What is the
value? What is the value of the land if
[1:20:13] you simply hold it?
And that could be the same land be worth
[1:20:17] to Wall if you help us grow and attract
business.
[1:20:21] Let WEDC use the industrial park to
create opportunities for the next
[1:20:26] generation of walls businesses and give
people a reason to start, grow, and stay
[1:20:30] right here. We are not trying to take
something from the city. We're trying to
[1:20:34] make something more productive out of an
asset the community already owns. At the
[1:20:39] end of the day, it isn't about WEDC
versus the city. WDC and the city are
[1:20:45] working towards the same thing, a
stronger wall. Whether the title is held
[1:20:49] by the city or WBC, the purpose should
remain the same to create opportunity
[1:20:54] and improve the future of wall. This is
what our community asked for. I also
[1:21:00] wanted to bring back to something very
important. This isn't just our vision.
[1:21:06] Our community vision meeting and
community surveys, we have asked people
[1:21:10] of Wall what they wanted for the future
of this community. And that message has
[1:21:14] been consistent. They want more
year-round businesses. They want more
[1:21:18] good paying jobs. They want more
opportunities for local businesses to
[1:21:22] grow. And they want reasons for our
young people to stay in wall and the
[1:21:26] reason for them those who leave to come
back. They want a community where their
[1:21:30] children can be build a future. By
giving WDC this asset, we can move
[1:21:36] towards fulfilling the need of the
communities without the transfer wall
[1:21:40] will stagnate. And you will tie WDC's
hands in helping move us forward and
[1:21:45] helping the community. This isn't about
building something that WPC thinks that
[1:21:49] we would be nice to have. It's about
responding to what our community has
[1:21:54] told us it needs. The opportunity here
is here. The need is here and we have a
[1:21:59] plan to begin addressing it. You just
need to be willing to put our community
[1:22:04] asset to work for the future of the
community. I believe transferring the
[1:22:08] industrial park to WDC gives us a better
tool to accomplish that purpose while
[1:22:14] maintaining protections for the city and
the community. My board and I
[1:22:18] respectfully ask the council to approve
the transfer and give WDC the
[1:22:22] opportunity to put this community asset
to work. Thank you. I'll take any
[1:22:28] questions.
>> I have one. [laughter] So when I came in
[1:22:31] the other day, Rashan, this
>> compared the new memorandum that was in
[1:22:35] our packet to the old one.
>> Mhm.
[1:22:38] » And there is something under background
and purpose that I question.
[1:22:43] » And so in that line item, it says that
the industrial park has determined has
[1:22:50] been determined
to be um surplus for the city.
[1:22:56] I went back and I could not see in any
of the agendas that that was ever done.
[1:23:02] » No. So that's the process that'll have
to happen this evening is you guys will
[1:23:06] have to call it a surplus and then we
can transfer it and then we then we um
[1:23:13] and then the me the um
meou
[1:23:18] um comes into effect. So it has never
been surplus but it but that's something
[1:23:22] that that is part of the process. I just
talked with Carolyn about that before
[1:23:27] that we would have to change it to
surplus and then you can transfer those
[1:23:33] 85 acres after I replant it and um and
then authorize theou.
[1:23:39] [clears throat]
>> So Nathan,
[1:23:43] we haven't surplused it yet. We should
not be voting on this yet. Correct.
[1:23:46] » I think that's the threshold question. I
mean, the first thing you do before if
[1:23:52] you go down this route and go with this
plan is determine does the city have any
[1:23:59] real practical use for this property
anymore? And and so that yeah, the first
[1:24:04] thing you do is determine is this is the
property truly surplus for the city. Um,
[1:24:10] but before you can do any sort of a
transfer um or or convey it to the
[1:24:15] econom economic development corporation,
>> I'd like to make the motion make that
[1:24:20] property surplus.
>> Is there a process that we have to go
[1:24:24] through to to make it surplus?
>> What what you just did?
[1:24:28] » Yeah, I think just a determination that
we don't think it has just been sitting
[1:24:34] out there. We made to it. Second.
>> I have a motion in a second. Further
[1:24:42] discussion.
>> I do have some more questions and if you
[1:24:45] don't mind. [clears throat]
>> So, I loved your presentation and I am
[1:24:49] all for what you're doing. Don't get me
wrong.
[1:24:52] I just want to know in my mind what
prevents you or has prevented you from
[1:24:58] doing any of this what you just spoke of
which is wonderful for the last three
[1:25:03] years. Access to money. I have no money.
I have no balance sheet. I have no
[1:25:08] assets. So, I can't I can't tap into
Dakota Resources funding. I I don't I
[1:25:14] don't have that. And I need assets on my
balance sheet to be able to do that. And
[1:25:19] this is an asset that I would like to
add to it since we're going to be
[1:25:22] developing it anyhow.
>> Are [clears throat] you talking loans?
[1:25:25] Are you talking
>> No, I'm talking that Dakota resources
[1:25:28] funding which showed that I have assets.
It doesn't put a lean on it. Doesn't
[1:25:33] make it collateral. It just says yes,
you have assets.
[1:25:36] » Are you getting a loan?
>> Am I getting a loan?
[1:25:39] » Yeah, it is a loan. It's a 10-year
interestonly loan. And most economic
[1:25:44] development corporations use that money
and then just keep after the 10 years
[1:25:48] renewing it and renewing it and putting
it back into projects. So, it doesn't
[1:25:52] have to be just for a specific project.
It can be used for anything economic
[1:25:57] development might want to do.
Infrastructure for the industrial part,
[1:26:01] right? if we need money for the pumps
going down, right? Those, right?
[1:26:06] [clears throat]
>> What happened? I mean, the one thing I
[1:26:08] haven't seen and I have a huge concern
about is I have not seen a business
[1:26:11] plan.
>> Um,
[1:26:14] and uh I'm a numbers guy. I like to see
um what our risk is. What are we going
[1:26:22] to be committed to? I mean, you just
said you're going to take out a loan.
[1:26:26] » Yeah. [clears throat]
>> Are you going to be asking for the city
[1:26:28] for more money?
>> No.
[1:26:29] » Uh so, how are you going to pay for
that? The loan will be paid from the
[1:26:33] incubator that gets built. That's the
only reason I'm asking for money is to
[1:26:36] build the incubator. I already have an
anchor tenant to go in it. I start out
[1:26:40] with 20% and move up as as the um
>> But you're also asking for a piece of
[1:26:44] land.
>> Yes.
[1:26:46] » But the land will not be it's not going
to be loaned against.
[1:26:50] » Okay.
>> Right. It's not going to be collateral.
[1:26:52] They're not going to take that away from
anybody.
[1:26:54] » Can I ask what the value of that land
is? How what's the value? you do it off
[1:26:59] of the amount that we um
[1:27:07] » um off of what we if we sold it for the
a dollar per square foot that we have it
[1:27:13] advertised for it's 3.7.
>> So [clears throat]
[1:27:18] technically what it's
>> what does the city lose for borrowing
[1:27:22] against that asset? They seem to be
short
[1:27:27] you would be transferred to them. So the
city's not losing anything or I
[1:27:31] [clears throat] mean
>> new camp or I remember at one point Mary
[1:27:35] explaining that
things couldn't happen because it would
[1:27:40] affect what amount the city could
borrow.
[1:27:43] » We have a debt limit. Yes.
>> So you have a debt limit,
[1:27:46] » but that's the city's debt.
>> Okay.
[1:27:48] » But what happens if economic development
we we have a 60-day clause in there.
[1:27:52] What happens? We cancel it. What happens
to that debt?
[1:27:57] » It's debt and
>> it doesn't it doesn't go back to the
[1:28:01] city.
[1:28:05] » I'd really like to see that uh loan
>> the debt doesn't go back to the city.
[1:28:10] » No, it stays on.
>> It's a different process for economic
[1:28:15] developers. It's it's a different it's
it's Yeah. And if you guys questioning
[1:28:20] it, maybe you can get in touch, but it's
not going to be your
[1:28:27] » um I think Christie and I don't know
they they come here and they talk about
[1:28:32] it
so many times and that's what everybody
[1:28:37] they using this South Dakota resources
to do that stuff because
[1:28:43] yeah, they have no other way to access
the money and that's what they they for
[1:28:48] living there for years and the way they
they raise their money it's all I don't
[1:28:54] want to call donations but they have to
pay so this money comes from big donors
[1:29:03] so it's a little bit different just like
working with the bank
[1:29:07] » I don't [clears throat] believe they
even actually tell you what you use the
[1:29:09] money for they just review what you're
using the money for yearly right
[1:29:14] » so I mean
>> you actually pay your interest and And
[1:29:17] like I said, if your 10 year mark hits,
you can reauthorize the loan and then
[1:29:22] you can dump that back in.
>> You got to make sure the money helping
[1:29:27] the community,
>> right?
[1:29:29] » So, will it allow you for the quarterly
interest payment? So, what would your
[1:29:33] quarterly interest payment be on a $3
million loan? [clears throat]
[1:29:36] » My um so the debt for the incubator is
um 63,000
[1:29:43] a year, I believe. And that's the first
the first four years it would be in debt
[1:29:50] and that's what part of the loan is,
right? Um but it it would come out of
[1:29:56] the rents.
>> So you have a business plan,
[1:29:59] » huh?
>> You do have a business plan.
[1:30:00] » I just gave it to you.
>> Sorry, I was talking.
[1:30:05] » Yes.
Yeah. I I haven't just I didn't just
[1:30:10] come up with this on the whim. I've been
working on this for a while. So, um,
[1:30:15] like I said, the first three to four
years it would run in debt,
[1:30:20] [clears throat] but I have worked into
my budget, which doesn't show in here,
[1:30:25] money set aside to pay the debt until we
start cash flowing it. And if we don't
[1:30:31] dump the money back into anything else,
everything would be paid off in in 12
[1:30:36] years for 11th years and then and then
the 12th year for Dakota resources.
[1:30:42] [clears throat]
>> And what happens if you would postpone
[1:30:44] this a year or two?
>> Well, then we're just sitting and I
[1:30:48] already have I have people that are
interested in moving into that
[1:30:52] incubator. And like I said, these small
businesses can't buy the land and build
[1:30:58] something. So, they're going to end up
going to Phillip or going somewhere else
[1:31:02] because we don't have anywhere here for
them to build. I'm trying to create a
[1:31:06] space for them to do that.
>> And the original agreement too is you
[1:31:10] guys get 75%.
>> No, you guys.
[1:31:13] » Or you get 75% and you get 25% and
that's going to be the same agreement.
[1:31:18] » Yep.
>> When we do
[1:31:19] » when we sell them out. Yeah.
>> Just for asset closing.
[1:31:22] » Yep. You'll still get that. And we pay
for all closing costs out of ours, but
[1:31:26] the real are out of ours. So you guys
get that straight 75% and then we take
[1:31:31] that money and dump that back into more
economic growth
[1:31:36] » paying down this loan.
>> First of all, I want to say we I support
[1:31:40] uh WEDC and want to have a good work
relationship as well. [clears throat]
[1:31:43] » The city is the biggest investor
>> in WC. So we do have a we do have a very
[1:31:49] uh vested interest in your success
>> and very symbiotic. Um [clears throat]
[1:31:56] » we do need to find a way to make the
industrial park uh successful.
[1:32:00] » Um you know I had the original
memorandum here from uh 2020.
[1:32:05] » So
>> that was part of that. I was trying to
[1:32:08] remember.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:32:10] » Yeah. And
you know I agree that memorandum of
[1:32:16] understanding needs to be u updated. I'm
just not sold on transferring at this at
[1:32:22] this point. Um, I'm a numbers guy.
>> I like to see a business plan. I don't
[1:32:27] like it tossed on me at at the last
minute. That's frustrating.
[1:32:32] Um, and uh,
if you do take out loans, I understand
[1:32:38] there might be some different things
there. Um, but still the risk is on the
[1:32:43] city.
It is. I mean, if if the thing
[1:32:47] dissolves,
we might be stuck with a building that's
[1:32:50] empty. Mhm. [clears throat]
>> Um, we might be stuck with, you know,
[1:32:54] potentially a loan if you did a loan on
the building that are fiddling against.
[1:32:58] There's nothing to say you can't do
that.
[1:33:00] » Um, so I would really like to see a
business plan um solidified. What are
[1:33:06] your expenses? What is it going to cost
to build out this industrial park?
[1:33:11] [clears throat]
>> Just the incubator, industrial park,
[1:33:13] those are two different things.
>> Well, you should have a a, you know,
[1:33:17] five-year plan on what you're going to
do. the incubator and the industrial
[1:33:20] park.
>> Yes,
[1:33:21] » they're two separate things.
>> Uh they're kind of one and the same, but
[1:33:27] » they're two separate things.
>> The the the industrial park does have a
[1:33:31] plan and phases to go into it, but it
has to sell stuff. The incubator is one
[1:33:36] lot and that's it. And that has a um
that has a I have a 10-year plan for
[1:33:42] that to have that all paid off and and
producing what what what did I say it
[1:33:46] was going to produce? But that also took
away 75% of our revenue for that lot
[1:33:50] that we were going to get.
>> So I [clears throat] would think that
[1:33:53] the memorandum of understanding would
need to be updated. I'm willing to work
[1:33:57] with you guys to update that. I'm right
now I'm not supportive. I don't have a
[1:34:02] vote
>> and so um it's really kind of up to the
[1:34:05] council what they want to do.
>> Um but uh um I I think we also have some
[1:34:12] lack of transparency um in this whole
arena. I mean, you you dump the uh uh
[1:34:18] business plan on us at last minute
[clears throat]
[1:34:21] and whether it be between WDC and the
council or vice versa, we just need has
[1:34:25] as much transparency as possible. And I
think there's [clears throat] been some
[1:34:28] of that that question out there. I also
feel at this time both ent entities have
[1:34:33] an image problem in the community and uh
being more transparent is one way to get
[1:34:38] that and I think we need to um address
that issue as well. But, um, if I know I
[1:34:44] don't have a say, but, um,
[clears throat]
[1:34:48] » well, the land transfer, I'll be honest,
the the incubator, I just recently got
[1:34:53] that tenant signed on, right? So until I
had a tenant in there that was kind of
[1:34:59] still one of my projects, that money, if
we wanted to use it for something else
[1:35:03] in town, we could have, but I can't even
start accessing or looking at doing
[1:35:08] other projects or anything else until I
have an asset.
[1:35:13] » Can [clears throat] I ask one quick
question? So why would we start with
[1:35:16] just transferring the one parcel you is
want to build this?
[1:35:20] » Because that won't be enough to get the
money. the one parcel will not be enough
[1:35:24] to get the money for
>> seems to me as a council us council keep
[1:35:31] tying economic development's hands we
don't let them do anything as and I'm
[1:35:36] not quite sure on your statement sorry
about that transparency I think if we're
[1:35:43] going to discuss it we should discuss it
right now we're here discussing what
[1:35:47] problems are we having between us
council and economic development
[1:35:52] I do not
one is you know you just said it's a
[1:35:56] dollar
>> dollar square foot is the market price
[1:36:00] that it is marketed at
>> and it is advertised at
[1:36:03] » and we've had this for six years and
we've heard about plenty of people
[1:36:07] coming in and plenty of opportunities
and nothing's materialized.
[1:36:13] Um, again, 6 years. I'd rather us be
successful at selling some of these lots
[1:36:18] before we uh move forward.
>> These lots take a long time and it takes
[1:36:23] a long time to plan these. Stures
develop theirs and it took them 20 years
[1:36:28] to sell their first lot. So, it's this
if I can develop the one lot,
[1:36:36] I hate to say it, but if you build it,
they will come. And sometimes there are
[1:36:41] things that I'm working on that I cannot
discuss with people because of
[1:36:45] confidentiality with businesses. So, and
I'm not trying to be non-transparent,
[1:36:51] but that is just the way economic
development works across the country.
[1:36:56] » [clears throat]
>> But even this memorandum of of
[1:36:58] understanding that there's some things
in here that um it doesn't say you're
[1:37:02] limiting it one at you're basically
wanting the first investor to be at uh
[1:37:08] what 20% of
uh the market price.
[1:37:12] » I am not we if you want to discuss that
we need to go into executive session
[1:37:17] because that is not for public show. So
>> Mr. Mayor, may I make a few comments?
[1:37:23] Yes. And I I don't want this to be
construed as policy or what I think of
[1:37:28] it because I I don't these are just
legal suggestions. Um
[1:37:33] um and I think I've stated this in other
context, but I I don't really like
[1:37:39] umus
are um largely uninforceable.
[1:37:46] um especially when they have a
termination provision on 60 days. My
[1:37:52] question would be what happens after 60
days? Um
[1:37:57] I think termination provisions in
general are good. Um but um right now
[1:38:03] you the the two organizations, the city
and economic development would only be
[1:38:10] engaged uh for 60 days and and then you
could go their separate ways. And so,
[1:38:16] um, I have questions about the
consequences of what if one of you
[1:38:20] decides to terminate it. Um,
I would um I would suggest a detailed um
[1:38:31] if you're going to go this route, a
detailed development agreement
[1:38:36] um that um says who's going to be
responsible for costs of subdivision,
[1:38:42] what's the timeline um in which economic
development or whomever is going to
[1:38:48] subdivide? Um and um and again what
happens on on termination or dissolution
[1:38:57] um if there is an allocation of of
distributions
[1:39:01] um that's fine. um that could almost be
postured as a mortgage in favor of the
[1:39:07] city so that you know when it goes to
close anything that's going to pull up
[1:39:11] on the title record and um then they're
going to know that the proceeds 75% need
[1:39:16] to go to the city for example. Um, so
just a couple of things I would suggest
[1:39:23] to um kind of fortify an MOU. Um, not
not that um
[1:39:32] you know it can't be done or that this
isn't a good starting point for
[1:39:35] discussion, but those are kind of a
couple of suggestions I might have for
[1:39:38] the council.
>> So I have a question for you.
[1:39:45] » There there's been a number of people
and a number
[1:39:49] who have come and obviously asked
questions um gotten to the point I mean
[1:39:54] even before you were in that position.
[1:39:59] Can you tell us
what one of the biggest hurdles is that
[1:40:05] hasn't got somebody out there yet
even prior to your position? Um kind of
[1:40:14] our biggest hurdle and these gentlemen
are solving part of it is businesses
[1:40:19] look at our area and they're like that's
great. Where are my people going to
[1:40:23] live?
And we've been working on develop park.
[1:40:28] They're putting in apartments. So that's
one of the biggest hurdles that we need
[1:40:33] to overcome is there's no place for it
because even our existing businesses
[1:40:37] have that golden west electric teachers
right we've lost teachers because they
[1:40:43] can't find affordable housing in our
town so and we've been working on that.
[1:40:48] It's sort of a the everything kind of
goes together. You need the workforce,
[1:40:54] you need the housing, you need the land,
you need the shovel ready. So,
[1:40:58] [clears throat] um, and I've been on a
campaign, I'll be honest, a lot of
[1:41:02] people didn't even know we had an
infrastructure.
[1:41:05] » So, I can say private work. I can answer
this question. It's local people, not
[1:41:12] other businesses, but who has
entrepreneur money. It's a cost. It's a
[1:41:20] cost trying to build something here.
And there is nothing to move in in here.
[1:41:29] It's for those who are here, local
people. Like Jerry just bought this
[1:41:35] property for the rodeo
>> rodeo grounds. Yeah. Besides these guys,
[1:41:41] I mean that's what we probably have. You
guys have a reputation. They're not very
[1:41:46] friendly to new businesses coming to
town.
[1:41:48] » How many years have you been working on
yours? Well, that's how long
[1:41:53] she's been working on. I mean,
everything takes a long time.
[1:41:56] » Takes a long time. So, I mean, if I
could snap my fingers, put somebody in
[1:42:00] there.
>> I would.
[1:42:03] [clears throat]
>> So, another question that I have because
[1:42:06] you you deal with some of the housing
stuff, too.
[1:42:10] » You know, I've had a number of people
tell me that we call a lot of our
[1:42:15] housing affordable housing. Would you
call it that?
[1:42:18] » No, I would not.
>> Do the people who are coming to this
[1:42:21] area or looking for housing, do they
call it affordable housing?
[1:42:24] » They do not. So, what are we looking for
to solve that?
[1:42:27] » The apartments are [laughter] um our
housing stock, I'm going to be honest,
[1:42:31] our housing stock is eaten up by piece
of workers. We have 20 to 30 entrylevel
[1:42:37] houses that would be affordable that are
used for five to six months out of the
[1:42:40] year and then locked up. Those would be
perfect homes to put new workers in
[1:42:48] rent. They could be turned into rentals
for workforce to come in here, but
[1:42:53] they're locked up and I mean, we also
need those homes, too. We need places
[1:42:58] for our visa workers because we need
hundreds of people in the summer, right?
[1:43:02] We don't have that in walls, so we have
to transplant. But I have a solution for
[1:43:07] that, too. Anyone's interested. But um
that would require some people to give
[1:43:13] up those homes or turn them into rentals
for year round residents because if you
[1:43:20] talk to Cheyenne, she's got a 20 to 30
weight list of people looking for a home
[1:43:25] or a rental in this area.
[clears throat]
[1:43:30] I don't know what our percentage of is
for full-time job versus part-time in
[1:43:35] this community, but I'm pretty sure
part-time is way higher than
[1:43:39] » fulltime. You can't buy a $350,000 house
and think it's an affordable house on a
[1:43:47] part-time job. Let me tell you, that's
why when we do get them people that come
[1:43:51] over here from overseas, they work three
part-time jobs a day,
[1:43:55] » send all that money home.
>> But we can't. Yeah,
[1:44:00] » it's a multi multiaceted problem, right?
And we're trying to solve it on many
[1:44:05] different fronts, but it takes time. So,
and I would like to, you know, help some
[1:44:13] of our local businesses that would like
to expand, that would like to have space
[1:44:17] out there, but they can't necessarily
buy a lot and build a building. They
[1:44:21] don't have much resources. And that's
where economic development comes in is
[1:44:25] to support that growth. And in order to
do that any funding.
[1:44:31] [clears throat]
>> I would like to see our economic
[1:44:33] development grow. I made a motion to
show support and I would like somebody
[1:44:38] to move on that motion. I would like to
see a vote.
[1:44:42] » I got a second order. I have
[clears throat] a motion and second. Any
[1:44:45] further discussion?
All in favor say I.
[1:44:51] » All opposed.
>> I
[1:44:53] » I
motion carries. Um, I do plan on vetoing
[1:44:58] it uh because of some transparency
issues. Um,
[1:45:02] you know, you guys are more than welcome
to uh you vote, but I I truly feel like
[1:45:08] we have not [clears throat]
been open and honest with uh the council
[1:45:13] and uh dropping a business plan on us at
last minute is very
[1:45:18] » just one project I could go down. I
could do many other multiple projects
[1:45:21] but that one I finally got somebody
signed up to be in that space and I need
[1:45:26] two people to make that start. So
>> and we have said that about the
[1:45:31] industrial park as well and we're six
years into it.
[1:45:34] » Yeah. But to even help with any other
projects, housing projects, workforce
[1:45:39] development, building office spaces. I
got four people that are desperate for
[1:45:44] office spaces and we don't have that
either. these people are in the stream
[1:45:49] community. So
>> yeah, you know, most most businesses
[1:45:53] that actually own or make these kind of
multiple or huge contributions have a
[1:45:58] bigger say and really the only person
that has a say right now is me on there
[1:46:03] and uh I do get a little frustrated
[clears throat] with that.
[1:46:06] » I would like to see a little bit of a
change in the uh board of the uh
[1:46:12] economic development. How many of you
guys actually live in the city?
[1:46:16] [clears throat]
[1:46:19] I didn't know you had it in the city.
>> No, you don't have to, but there's no
[1:46:22] safe really from the city residents on
the industrial park.
[1:46:26] » They're welcome to run out. We have
elections every but I'm being honest
[1:46:31] with you of my concerns.
>> Yeah. And and
[1:46:35] we have the same word all across. Yes.
So these project costs
[1:46:41] you have had developers come in and you
have itemizations.
[1:46:47] » Yeah, I I actually been working with
>> somebody has designed this and costed it
[1:46:53] out for me. So that's where that price
comes from. So, [clears throat]
[1:47:00] » so in in all of my stuff that I
received, I'm new to this council
[1:47:04] » and
>> I didn't realize we were looking at a
[1:47:07] building, I guess, until I didn't
realize you were planning on building a
[1:47:12] building.
>> Did you um
[1:47:14] » Oh, I missed something.
>> I Maybe you didn't get this.
[1:47:17] » Did not.
>> I just handled that.
[1:47:21] » Well, I just got this that you handed
me.
[1:47:25] Oh, I don't have anything else.
>> All right. Yes.
[1:47:30] » Okay. Motion carries.
[1:47:34] » Well, that was the motion to surplus the
land. I'm just being honest with you.
[1:47:40] So, that didn't say you transfer it. You
just surplused it. So now if you wanted
[1:47:46] to take Nathan's suggestions and fix
that, we can maybe discuss it at the
[1:47:52] next council meeting about actually
transferring it, right? And make sure it
[1:47:56] puts in the stuff that you were talking
about if the the city would like that,
[1:48:01] which would also give you all I plan
to look at.
[1:48:06] » I did have some questions about MU.
>> Okay.
[1:48:11] » And this question for you. So if uh and
you already
[1:48:17] know but um it's a claim
and they say it's going to be reverted.
[1:48:25] Uh so my question is uh is it title
company or lender or
[1:48:33] attorney are they really going to base
it on
[1:48:38] what needs to be actually
>> it's really
[1:48:43] ultimately it's going to come down
>> be a separate like agreement about
[1:48:52] » yes
>> because I assume it's something indeed.
[1:48:57] So maybe
>> you can have the word version and be too
[1:49:03] » you can
>> but there's more than one way to skin a
[1:49:05] cat. But um I I think um what's
not that you have to follow the the road
[1:49:13] map that other communities do, but I
think what most communities do is um
[1:49:18] they they would do a a quick claim be
just a gift or a gift, but then they
[1:49:23] would have another document um a
development agreement that's that
[1:49:28] outlines um responsibilities and the
consequences and um a little bit more
[1:49:34] concrete and and you may even go record
something behind it um to ensure that
[1:49:41] proceeds are distributed like a
mortgage, some sort of a lean in favor
[1:49:46] of the city.
the surplus um decision is really just
[1:49:52] kind of step one I think and and quite
honestly I mean even to answer your
[1:49:57] question um all the women should that u
you could go have it appraised now that
[1:50:04] it's determined as surplus and you might
decide we'd rather market this for a
[1:50:09] private sale. Um so you could go a
couple different routes. You could
[1:50:13] appraise it and sell it and recoup um
that way or you could gift it to a
[1:50:18] nonprofit like economic development and
let them run with it under an agreement
[1:50:23] that you'll get a kick back.
[1:50:33] So I think you're on step one
and sounds like there's going to be
[1:50:40] further discussion on whether you want
to take step two. Kansas City.
[1:50:43] » See, and that's that's the reason for
for my no vote on it as I I think that
[1:50:48] there's just some details and some
questions that that I think just need a
[1:50:54] little bit of clarity and advice and
just, you know, so
[1:51:01] » so I would appreciate that extra piece
of paper. Nancy said he got it in an
[1:51:05] email. I did not get it in an email.
>> Interesting. Um, so what are the the
[1:51:12] things we want to clarify because I
would like to create that document and
[1:51:17] bring it back to the next meeting. So
what are our concerns and what would we
[1:51:21] like to to create?
>> I if I can interject I think some of
[1:51:26] these discussions are I mean this agenda
item has passed. I think some of these
[1:51:31] discussions are maybe
outside of this meeting, maybe in
[1:51:35] preparation for the next one, maybe even
out without a quorum. Um, we can have
[1:51:42] » have a committee set up.
>> Yeah, we actually have Mike and Jerry
[1:51:46] and uh are on the economic development
uh committee.
[1:51:52] » Okay.
>> And as well as myself. So,
[1:51:55] » okay, that's a great [clears throat]
idea. Just to clarify, the land transfer
[1:52:00] doesn't mean I mean if you do end up
passing it, it doesn't mean that the
[1:52:05] incubator is our only project. It's just
an idea. It may not pass or it may not
[1:52:14] what I trying to say. Yeah, it may not
materialize, but then we would have the
[1:52:19] borrowing capacity to be able to do
something else with that money to help
[1:52:24] build office spaces. So I mean the uh
incubator shouldn't be the determination
[1:52:32] of a make or break on this the transfer
of the land because it's just one idea
[1:52:38] that we can do and if that idea doesn't
pan out we're going to go down different
[1:52:42] idea. So it's just a portion it's just
an idea of a project
[1:52:48] » which is also why I did
>> that can all be spelled out. Yeah. Okay.
[1:52:53] » Which the whole point is just to show
that they have some asset so they can
[1:52:59] have the opportunity to work with the go
resources. Right now we're not letting
[1:53:03] them show that they have any we're tying
their hands. I'm sorry is what I feel.
[1:53:09] » Fair enough. I think it's time to move
on to the next. [clears throat]
[1:53:13] » Okay.
[1:53:16] » Yeah, Wayne's here. Wayne is here.
[1:53:30] the 2027 membership paperwork. New tiers
should be out by the new tiers. We've
[1:53:37] changed up the way we're um
putting members in. They go in as tiers
[1:53:43] as employee based memberships now. So it
allows allows the chamber to pick a tier
[1:53:49] that maybe best fits a business.
Also, we're always looking new ways,
[1:53:55] promote, help you succeed. If you have
any questions, stop into the office and
[1:54:01] don't just meet Michaela, meet Brooke,
meet Rashan, meet
[1:54:07] her again, [laughter] meet Jeff if he's
here. So you meet everybody in the
[1:54:13] office. There are new people here and
some of the ch some of the chamber
[1:54:17] members should be in here and hopefully
uh soon Michaela will start getting out
[1:54:23] and visiting some of the our chamber
members also. So also the individual
[1:54:28] memberships are
in they're designed for individual
[1:54:33] members who want to join if they're not
don't belong to a business. They might
[1:54:38] be retired and might just not work. They
can be a chamber.
[1:54:44] And some upcoming events, we've got the
September 25th homecoming supper wall
[1:54:50] football game.
Should be a good one, I believe. Annual
[1:54:56] craft fair Saturday, November November
7th. It's first Saturday November. And
[1:55:02] Michaela will be getting more
information out on that. And
[1:55:07] that's all she had. No.
>> Can I ask?
[1:55:12] » We're waiting for one invoice to get our
chamber stuff.
[1:55:21] » Did you [clears throat] say where the se
the homecoming supp will be same place
[1:55:26] it was last year by the CPU room and
around by the gym there. So it worked
[1:55:31] out pretty well last year.
>> It'll be from 5 to 6:30 this year. last
[1:55:36] year 6:30
>> at the game time
[1:55:40] » be all day
and they'll probably be turkey bing too.
[1:55:46] » Any questions?
Any questions for Wayne? Thanks Wayne
[1:55:55] report
Mary stole some of my thunder there. Um,
[1:56:01] [laughter]
so I did we did get a report back on
[1:56:04] Energized Conference and that economic
impact and like Mary said um almost
[1:56:11] $53,000 in economic impact between food,
shopping, fuel, and um and that um we we
[1:56:18] had um
>> people really loved the um the food that
[1:56:24] was down here and um the entertainment
of going to the dark skies and the bad
[1:56:28] lands. Um and they loved holding the
sessions and going into our local
[1:56:32] businesses. Um the uh lots happening in
Wall, which uh Mary did for us. People
[1:56:38] loved that. Um they loved to hear what
we were doing and were really impressed
[1:56:42] with everything that was going on. We
actually had to turn people away from
[1:56:45] that event because the bus was full. Um
so I want to this was a very successful
[1:56:51] energized conference. If anyone wants to
read the reports in my office um to
[1:56:56] thank the school, they donated the bus.
They brought some kids down to help us.
[1:56:59] Um, I want to thank the community for
letting us go into their businesses and
[1:57:04] um, just the town in general. You guys
were always warm and welcome. Um, one of
[1:57:08] the somebody that came to that energized
conference actually booked the um, the
[1:57:14] community center to hold one of their
seminars. Um, and they sent us a very
[1:57:19] lovely thank you note. Um, it said,
"Thank you so much for hosting our South
[1:57:24] Dakota agricultural and rural leadership
class last week in Wall. We enjoyed
[1:57:28] meeting you and your community's
hospitality was outstanding. Something
[1:57:33] you should all be proud to know." So, I
just wanted to share that with you.
[1:57:36] Wall, thank you so much for being
welcoming to everybody that comes in.
[1:57:40] Um, and then I have two more things.
Next week, we start our lunch and
[1:57:43] learns. Um,
West River Electric will be here um
[1:57:49] providing that. Um, that's at noon. Um,
if you just want to go, give me a heads
[1:57:54] up so I can put you on the list to make
sure we got enough room for you. Um, I
[1:57:58] have QR codes that you can sign up or
you can just call me personally. And,
[1:58:01] um, we're doing the small business
basics with SCSU. We're hosting that.
[1:58:05] Um, we pushed it back, um, to get some
more people for to register. And it
[1:58:10] actually starts October 26th and runs
through the end of November or just the
[1:58:15] 1st of December depending upon when the
participants want it because that's
[1:58:19] right after Thanksgiving. So there's a
the end date is flexible. Um but we have
[1:58:23] a breakdown of what's going on there. Um
economic development investors uh get to
[1:58:28] do that class for free. Um, so I if
you're interested in that, please let us
[1:58:33] know because it's it's a fabulous class
and great for uh anybody interested in
[1:58:38] entrepreneurship or starting your own
business or even updating your your
[1:58:43] current business's business plan and
that kind of stuff. So, um, reach out to
[1:58:47] me if you have anything. Any questions
for me?
[1:58:50] » Any questions?
>> Are you getting more people signed up
[1:58:52] for that now?
>> Um, yeah, I've got a couple more people
[1:58:54] for the small business basics. Yeah,
I've got a couple more people. It's open
[1:58:58] until October 5th now, I believe, is
when
[1:59:02] » How many people do you not have?
>> I I have um
[1:59:06] No, I have three people signed up right
now.
[1:59:09] » And how many do you need?
>> I need 15 or they will cancel the class.
[1:59:13] So,
>> how many did you say, Michelle?
[1:59:14] » 15.
>> She Yeah, she has three.
[1:59:17] » And I have three. So, yeah. And the max
is 25. [clears throat]
[1:59:22] » So, but that's open until October 5th.
So gave that bottom one for people to
[1:59:27] sign up for that still. So
and SDS was who did the energize
[1:59:32] conference. So they are a great group of
people.
[1:59:35] So
>> all right questions
[1:59:40] questions.
>> Thanks for
[1:59:43] next on the agenda, finance officer.
>> I have a question.
[1:59:48] » Yes.
>> Uh did we bypass the public comment
[1:59:52] section of this?
>> [clears throat]
[1:59:54] » We did not.
>> No,
[1:59:56] » I didn't hear a call. They didn't call
have it end. I never heard a call.
[2:00:01] » Lex actually got up and then sat back
down.
[2:00:04] » But was that public comment?
>> And he called say that any more public
[2:00:09] comment.
>> I thought I thought of 16.
[2:00:14] » No, he sat down and went back to seven.
>> Go ahead and let him speak.
[2:00:20] » He did. You can do it for discussion.
Okay.
[2:00:32] » I think we should do public.
>> Um,
[2:00:38] » we can do a public comment here. I know
I I had called it a couple times, but
[2:00:42] uh, you get three minutes.
I just have some procedure questions
[2:00:50] and I've talked to several council
members about this and my biggest
[2:00:55] question is uh why did the city have a
recount?
[2:01:01] » Because Mary asked for a recount.
>> Okay. Uh what was the official posted
[2:01:08] count certified with the state?
[2:01:13] It has to be certified with the state
vote.
[2:01:19] » This isn't an opportunity to ask
questions of city attorney.
[2:01:22] » Okay, never mind that.
>> Okay, you can make your comments.
[2:01:24] » Okay, this is Yeah, you guys can just
think about it yourselves.
[2:01:27] » Make your comments.
>> Okay, good. Okay. And then the other
[2:01:30] thing is our election. I've had comments
that our election there was parts of it
[2:01:36] didn't count because it was a municipal
election, which I don't understand
[2:01:40] because the city of Sou Falls had a
recount on their mayoral election.
[2:01:45] It was recounted and reertified and all
that. And I'd like to know if ours is
[2:01:49] the same as Sou Falls or if it's
different.
[2:01:52] » So you guys can figure that out, just
let me know because I've had people ask
[2:01:55] me, you know, kind of what went on and I
said I'd call and find out. So now you
[2:02:00] guys got an idea of what you can think
talk about and go from there. So there
[2:02:04] you go.
>> Thank you for your comment.
[2:02:07] » Next [clears throat] on the agenda,
finance officer report. Should [snorts]
[2:02:12] » um
>> yeah,
[2:02:15] » I don't have a lot to report on. Um just
been busy in the office with typical
[2:02:21] stuff. I have started
putting my spreadsheet together for the
[2:02:27] budget. Um, those are due, the requests
are due in on Tuesday the 8th. So then I
[2:02:33] will start putting those numbers in as
well as just our normal expense in for
[2:02:40] the city.
Um, [clears throat] I did receive an
[2:02:45] email. It's from the community forestry
uh grant. We just received this um to
[2:02:52] put the trees in up at the park. This is
something that gets offered every year.
[2:02:58] Um,
last year there was an issue with it
[2:03:02] because we actually applied for that
grant in 2024 but couldn't finish it
[2:03:06] until 2026 early year. So, but um
typically it's done in one year. So, we
[2:03:15] have the opportunity to
um apply for that grant. Again, it's
[2:03:20] 100% um
[2:03:24] matching. So, like our it was $5,000 for
the grant at the park. The city
[2:03:32] puts 2500 in and that can be for inind
it doesn't have to be um expenses or
[2:03:38] anything. And then the state will uh
give us the 2500 as well. So, just
[2:03:46] wanted to bring that up in case anybody
had any ideas where there could maybe be
[2:03:51] another opportunity for some more trees
to be put any place. Um,
[2:03:55] » couldn't we do something at the golf
course when
[2:03:58] » we have done in the past, but I felt
like we did that two years in a row. Um,
[2:04:05] that maybe we just needed to let this be
open to the public in case there was any
[2:04:10] concerns of any other place. Um it would
have to be an organization that would
[2:04:16] and of course the golf course is city
property. Um
[2:04:21] this wouldn't go for just a personal
property owner, you know, type thing.
[2:04:24] » And so just want to make that clear.
>> Um so just wanted to get it out there.
[2:04:30] The grant is not due until October 2nd,
but they do suggest that we get it
[2:04:36] submitted by the middle of September or
no later than the 20th because the guy
[2:04:42] that helps us with this, his name is
Josh Larson. He reviews it for us and
[2:04:47] make sure that if there's any thing that
we need to add or whatever so that it's
[2:04:52] a good finished product to submit. So,
>> couldn't the city park use some more
[2:04:58] trees on that north side of the park?
Wish Garrett was here that we could ask
[2:05:03] that
>> there was trees.
[2:05:05] » Um, [clears throat]
[2:05:08] trees on the north side.
>> I'm just wondering would this be able to
[2:05:15] take
>> I I think I took some from the school
[2:05:18] one year.
>> Yeah, we didn't take uh trees from the
[2:05:22] school. moved them
>> move them to the east,
[2:05:24] » but that was a location thing. I'm
pretty sure
[2:05:27] » that location.
>> Yeah, they were.
[2:05:29] » I mean, possibly they would just
>> they would have to somehow reimburse the
[2:05:35] city for any expenses. You know, it's
always been on the city property that
[2:05:39] the trees have been done.
>> Um, but
[2:05:43] like I said, the golf course before, but
that's city property. So, so South
[2:05:48] Boulevard is all I suppose there's some
dead there was some dead trees in South
[2:05:52] Boulevard. They may be removed.
>> Yeah. If you'd like to have a
[2:05:56] conversation with Josh anytime, he says
he will not work with us on South
[2:06:01] Boulevard. Okay. [laughter]
>> It is not good soil. He said it's
[2:06:06] » it would take way more than $5,000 to
get that soil up.
[2:06:12] » So, now we know. Yeah. Now we know.
>> Use the same stuff. and my friend.
[2:06:16] » But I can ask Garrett on you said trees
on the north side of park.
[2:06:21] » Well, it's just gravel road there. It's
the north side of the park and it's
[2:06:26] looking pretty up there.
>> And that's what I'm reaching out to you
[2:06:30] for is see if you had any suggestions
and I'll visit with Garrett and
[2:06:33] » I'm sure there'll be several others. I
mean,
[2:06:36] » yeah, might have.
>> We put in
[2:06:40] seven trees. Is that right? Yeah, seven
trees up there. So, I mean,
[2:06:45] » was that the ones that we got from the
schoolhouse or were they
[2:06:48] » No,
>> no. Um, these are
[2:06:52] the schoolhouse, weren't they? Kind of
on the
[2:06:55] » the school ones are on the south end
>> in a row.
[2:06:59] » Yeah. the school needed to get. They
were either g they wanted to give them
[2:07:04] away or they were going to destroy them
and I asked for and then we moved them
[2:07:10] and then this grant brought um where
those ended.
[2:07:16] Grant or Garrett planted them to the
south to the
[2:07:20] » north
>> north of that and there is room to keep
[2:07:23] going north because the idea was to put
a landscape burm along the park and
[2:07:32] Dakota Mill. So, that's what the game
plan was. And Garrett's not here to
[2:07:37] speak to it, but that would be a great
idea to keep going with what you've got.
[2:07:43] And he's got water there.
[2:07:48] He's taking really good care of them and
they're I drove by them again the other
[2:07:52] day and they're all growing. They're
alive.
[2:07:55] » Trevor's doing a great job. I'm watching
his time. I'm not I mean, not that G
[2:07:59] wouldn't, but
[laughter]
[2:08:05] I was wondering if somebody should
actually check those trees and see if
[2:08:09] Garrett didn't put fake ones there.
>> But the cost for the trees was like,
[2:08:16] can't remember the invoice, a little
over $1,200.
[2:08:19] And the rest of it that we could submit
was through inind um you know, by the
[2:08:24] time we figure our machinery cost, our
work for labor cost and all that kind of
[2:08:31] thing. So, it's it's a pretty big deal
>> because even by the bike path, I was
[2:08:35] thinking, you know, there's that one
tree on the way south side
[2:08:40] where there's that
>> property. Yeah. Not our property.
[2:08:44] » Even on
>> Yeah.
[2:08:48] » the east side of the bike.
[2:08:52] » Well, I don't think so.
[2:08:58] But anyway, keeping just wanted to share
with you that
[2:09:03] » had any other questions for me but other
than these that was all I had report.
[2:09:07] » Any questions for Caroline?
Hearing none
[2:09:13] mayor's report. I I don't have much
either. Um there is going to be a
[2:09:19] meeting at Prairie Village. Uh there's
actually going to be two meetings. next
[2:09:23] week, September 8th at 9:30 and
September 10th at 2 uh 2:30. Um both are
[2:09:30] going to be at Prairie Village and
they're going to uh be discussing with
[2:09:34] the residents what's going on at Prairie
Village. Um
[2:09:40] um I did get a call this afternoon late
that uh they do have a letter of intent
[2:09:46] to potentially uh sell Prairie Village
to a an investor. So, if it's finalized,
[2:09:53] it really should be uh have minimal
impact on the uh residents. There'll be
[2:09:58] some changes and things like that, but
uh it really should have a very minimal
[2:10:02] impact and um
[2:10:06] I think it'll be good news for the
residents at the Prairie Village. Been
[2:10:12] just doing some other meet and greet
type things. um been trying to get a
[2:10:16] hold of all of our representatives out
there just to kind of introduce myself
[2:10:20] and uh tell them, you know, we'd love to
work with them. Still trying to get your
[2:10:24] boss, but I know you guys are probably
pretty busy with the uh um
[2:10:31] the well the
>> cyber attack.
[2:10:35] » The the cyber attack. Yes. So other than
that, uh questions for me. Can you say
[2:10:43] local investor or I don't imagine you're
allowed to say
[2:10:47] » I I'd rather have them say
>> come September 8th
[2:10:52] » 9:30
local support we get
[2:10:55] » absolutely I think it'll be a good deal
>> is it the same meeting just at two
[2:11:01] different times or same two different
times yes sorry I should have said that
[2:11:06] » 9:30 and what time
>> uh 2:30 on the 10th
[2:11:10] » so 9:30 on the 8th.
>> Yes.
[2:11:12] » 2:30 on the 10th.
>> Correct.
[2:11:17] » September 10th.
>> Tuesday and Thursday.
[2:11:26] » And uh with no uh other questions.
>> Okay. Go ahead.
[2:11:31] » Yep. I do want to follow up on few
things from last meeting. I know G is
[2:11:35] not here and I understand he's he's out,
but my question is anybody went and
[2:11:41] looked at this stop sign that's Mark was
addressing last time and where we at
[2:11:45] this because I don't want this to become
another rumble stream that we're going
[2:11:49] to remember four months later. Um and
then the next one would be what do we
[2:11:55] need to do Caroline uh to change the
processes how we do things uh just based
[2:12:01] on what Mark brought last time since
he's
[2:12:05] how we do we need to have a owner
authorization
[2:12:10] if they if they rented their property
the rent is so we need to have some kind
[2:12:15] of process to notifying the owners this
is their responsibility based on our
[2:12:20] ordinances
And the next one would be another one
[2:12:24] was just today uh complaints
uh instead of bringing it here right
[2:12:30] away sending letter. What do we need to
do to change this process? I
[2:12:36] » mean initially shouldn't
>> we need to just have a meeting just to
[2:12:40] talk about how we want to do it then
bring it to the council and just make a
[2:12:44] motion on what do we need to do to
change these processes.
[2:12:48] » Can I say on the complaint side? Yeah,
>> the complaints would go to ter would
[2:12:54] tell them to get it and they would all
come back and we'd hear two hours of
[2:12:58] whining and crying that the city people
were picking on the other people because
[2:13:02] they didn't like them cuz their dog
barked or their cat hitting their yard
[2:13:05] or it just so the best process was to
come to councel
[2:13:11] » and I I understand that but at the same
time we do have ordinances we have to
[2:13:16] follow and we ask residents to follow so
it's not like we thinking our ordinance
[2:13:21] says you have to keep you have to mow
your yard. Okay, if it's over so many
[2:13:27] » inches, you have to mow it. And then
another thing is I don't know if they
[2:13:31] have it. Do we have an enforcement? Do
we have a fee established fee? If you do
[2:13:36] not do that, you get a check or or bill
from the city. The city going to come
[2:13:41] and promote it and you're going to get a
check or big one. Sorry, not a check.
[2:13:46] But that's the thing is can we just have
a process a better process because I'm
[2:13:52] telling you Jerry not everybody
complains like this because last time
[2:13:55] when it was brought up it was few months
ago couple months ago people did not
[2:13:59] like it and they're very good people and
they took care of it but they wish
[2:14:04] somebody would tell them instead of
going to the city council and then
[2:14:08] discussing it right here in front of
everyone and everybody guessed exactly
[2:14:12] who you're talking about just because
based on the property that part. I
[2:14:16] understand it would be nice if it could
be maybe discussed in the executive
[2:14:20] session
>> or or could we make just a call
[2:14:24] » executive session?
[2:14:28] No.
>> Yeah. Could you make a committee of like
[2:14:31] two council?
>> Maybe that's what would be best. That
[2:14:33] was a process at one time
>> and then we
[2:14:36] » I can tell you the different processes
in the 20 years that I've been here and
[2:14:40] they've not any of them worked. Nobody's
ever been happy. and you say that, you
[2:14:45] know, we send a letter to that person.
Well, maybe over here this person hasn't
[2:14:52] mowed their yard, but it didn't get
looked at and didn't get caught. And so
[2:14:55] then that person saying, "Well, you sent
me a letter, but that person over there,
[2:14:59] have you looked at their grass?"
The public works did not no public they
[2:15:03] had committee uh council members that
went around with the public works and
[2:15:07] then letters got sent out and then
unless the council is different now and
[2:15:12] wants to continue to do that to try to
get them all at the same time to be able
[2:15:17] to drive around and all that. It was a
process and they said no we're not doing
[2:15:22] this anymore. I don't know about the
driving around. I
[2:15:25] » that's how you're gonna find everybody
complain to the office and write it and
[2:15:30] you can be upset as much as you want
that they have there. But we received
[2:15:34] the complaint for you. We didn't receive
complaint for them. So, but thanks for
[2:15:38] bringing up to our attention.
>> You you have to operate I think
[2:15:44] practically you have to operate on a
complaint basis only. You can't go
[2:15:48] proactively and police. uh you have to
rely on your residents to make a a a
[2:15:54] nuisance complaint I think is what it is
to say I think my neighbor is in
[2:15:58] violation of nuisance ordinance and um I
think the way that you do it basically
[2:16:05] called on the council to make that
determination first. Yeah, we agree this
[2:16:10] constitutes a nuisance and we're going
to send out a letter first before we go
[2:16:13] enforce it and cut the grass and charge
them for that sort of thing. Maybe there
[2:16:19] is a a better way to do that without
airing or dirty laundry first. But um
[2:16:26] yeah, I I would just suggest that it
remain complaintbased
[2:16:32] um other than saying that you're under
going to undertake a duty to make sure
[2:16:35] that everyone's in compliance,
>> right?
[2:16:37] » Yeah. But we would be nice to figure out
how to do it in a lighter manner like
[2:16:45] Will suggested. Wasn't that a change in
legislation? Did I not understand when
[2:16:49] you sent me an email that like agenda
requests have to be said what the people
[2:16:54] are addressing? And am I not do I not
have to do that with concern letters
[2:16:59] when I put them on the agenda?
>> Um I think there is there is a change in
[2:17:03] the law as far as agenda. It needs to
have spec specificity.
[2:17:07] » Okay.
>> Um
[2:17:09] » because I was going to say maybe I
misunderstood that. I can misunderstand
[2:17:12] things. So
>> I think you're right. But do we even
[2:17:15] have to take a complaint to that level
if we had say two council members that
[2:17:20] were got the complaint decided?
Um
[2:17:24] » maybe the first thing is go talk to them
in person.
[2:17:27] » Yep. I think that's what is the best
thing and I think you know talk to
[2:17:32] » but we make it more formal. Hey, you
know, two people on the consulate and
[2:17:35] then they can basically
>> I think we had a situation last week,
[2:17:39] right, with preach that's been taken
care of without anybody bringing the
[2:17:43] actual complaint,
>> right?
[2:17:45] » With what?
>> Refrigerator. Yeah.
[2:17:48] » But [clears throat] that wasn't at the
council. That was on Facebook.
[2:17:51] » But at the same time, who made a call?
>> Did you made a call, I believe? Right.
[2:17:56] » And they just made a call and guess
what? Been taken care of. So,
[2:18:00] » yes, you you're going to have residents.
is going to have problems.
[2:18:03] » That was a safety issue though.
>> Refrigerators sitting out there for
[2:18:08] little kids to get locked into.
>> That was a safety issue.
[2:18:12] » Mowing the grass is a safety issue too
because of the snakes.
[2:18:16] [laughter]
[2:18:20] » I believe refrigerator is a little more
concerned than to [laughter]
[2:18:25] » So,
>> but I I don't want to put it on uh
[2:18:28] Carolyn or Darrett to do that. That's
why I'm trying. Huh?
[2:18:32] » Yeah. We need we need to commit
>> and it doesn't necessarily have it
[2:18:36] doesn't happen.
>> So am I to understand because what I
[2:18:38] would do is write a resolution. So this
is put into the paper that this is going
[2:18:44] to be the process. So everybody's aware
that this is how it's going to happen.
[2:18:47] If you don't have
>> what the process is.
[2:18:51] » What's that?
>> What? Well, that's what I was asking.
[2:18:53] What the process? If you want to change
something,
[2:18:55] » you can do it any way you want to, but
I've always said I like to do
[2:18:59] resolutions because they get published.
It's recorded in the minutes rather than
[2:19:03] just a motion. It's more detailed than
just a motion typically is. Um, you
[2:19:09] could do policy, but policy doesn't ever
get published anywhere. That's why my
[2:19:14] preference is a resolution,
>> which is probably the right way to go.
[2:19:18] » And but if I'm going to write the
resolution, I need to understand what
[2:19:22] you're actually saying. So are you
saying you want to
[2:19:25] » and I think we need to discuss that. I'm
not saying we need to just make right
[2:19:29] now but that's what I was referring to.
We need to sit down and discuss with the
[2:19:33] best way to address it.
>> So and maybe I don't know what the law
[2:19:37] or there is changed to make to take this
into the
[2:19:43] » well onto the consideration or it's just
agenda.
[2:19:46] » That's just the law agendas how agendas
are described there.
[2:19:50] » Yeah. So, when you talk about enforcing,
you know, I was well at the zoning
[2:19:56] planning commission. Somebody did ask
about the sidewalk um out in front of
[2:20:02] the one business to the south of the
Salty Steer and Bodega. They have stuff
[2:20:07] sitting on their sidewalk and wanted to
know if our ordinance was just on this.
[2:20:15] » No, sidewalks everywhere, but I saw we
changed it.
[2:20:19] » So, so what did we change it to? because
there's they have metal stuff.
[2:20:23] » I remember it was brought up to the
house table of mine for the to bring it
[2:20:27] back to see what the changes are and
that's the last thing I remember.
[2:20:31] » Yeah. And that was before
>> and I don't know I don't think it ever
[2:20:35] got it never came back.
>> No, it never came back.
[2:20:38] » I don't think so.
>> But again, who polices that?
[2:20:42] » You know,
>> that's what we didn't want to do,
[2:20:44] » right? [laughter] Trying to get away
from it,
[2:20:46] » you know? I mean, yeah, we we were
already dealing with a situation where
[2:20:52] certain businesses were doing what they
wanted no matter what. And then when it
[2:20:58] became an issue and was brought in front
of us that they wanted to have
[2:21:02] conversation about, you know, making
that, you know, something that they
[2:21:08] could do, which is very difficult to do
when you're currently not following the
[2:21:13] rules and now you want to talk about us
rewriting.
[2:21:18] » That was my
>> I guess I don't know what you're talking
[2:21:20] about. I don't go there every day like
this place several times. Never seen
[2:21:25] anything like this. And I I remember
somebody brought it up, but I never seen
[2:21:31] this.
>> Oh, I took pictures. I I want to buy
[2:21:33] them and they're too expensive. That's
how I know there is something [laughter]
[2:21:36] out there. They're metal flower deals
along with some other metal.
[2:21:42] » Yeah,
>> this is the issue that needs to be
[2:21:45] discussed because truly if you look at
our benches and flower pots, some of the
[2:21:49] spots pretty tight. We talking about
some of the stuff that people trying to
[2:21:54] put I don't know next to the door or
whatever. So
[2:22:00] if we talk about it, it has to be over.
>> Yeah.
[2:22:03] » Yeah. Because this is a there is very
tight spot.
[2:22:08] » Oh. Oh.
>> Very tight. The bed sitting on there. So
[2:22:15] » are you talking about the one that I
bought?
[2:22:18] » Oh, I don't know.
by the uh discount store.
[2:22:23] » Yes,
>> it's so cold.
[2:22:25] » And I did not want a pot, but I was told
I had to put a pot in
[2:22:29] » talking about the pages. Just
>> I didn't put them there.
[2:22:32] » It's very tiny over that topic.
>> So, and then you asked about um
[2:22:42] the utilities for the landlord render
authorization. So we never had the issue
[2:22:48] before to have to address it. But I
would suggest a resolution for that as
[2:22:54] well. Um so that the people are I mean
we can do only so much. We can't I guess
[2:23:00] we could hand deliver it to every renter
in town and landlords. They knew
[2:23:03] » what they sign up.
>> We can hand the resolution
[2:23:07] » one time. You probably could. This is
how we do it. That's how we do it. You
[2:23:13] can have one time agreement with them
and they know this. It doesn't matter
[2:23:17] how many renders they going to have.
They know what they responsible
[2:23:23] » but how soon are they notified that they
Yeah. Are they notified after 30 days or
[2:23:29] 60 days or
>> this is something?
[2:23:32] » Yeah. And I would say as far as the
um the complaint things, I think that's
[2:23:39] a pretty simple thing that we can all
agree on. If there is an issue and
[2:23:45] somebody fills out a complaint and they
present it to you, Carolyn,
[2:23:51] you then would tell Garrett, share the
complaint with him. If he feels like
[2:23:55] it's in violation, a letter gets drafted
and sent out right away.
[2:24:01] If it's not remedied
within whatever time you guys want it to
[2:24:05] be, it will be on the agenda for
discussion at the next council meeting
[2:24:10] » with the address on there.
>> Well, we're going to discuss it. Yeah.
[2:24:14] » You know, and that, you know, it it's
just I think that's very respectful. Um
[2:24:20] it, you know, it's going to involve
Garrett making sure that there's a
[2:24:24] violation. um so that when we are faced
with it, we can make a decision. Um then
[2:24:32] you kind of have clear direction. Does
that sound reasonable to everybody? Um
[2:24:37] » so you're striking the committee thing.
>> I I think it's I don't even know if
[2:24:41] committee would I don't think committee
really needs to meet on it. I think it's
[2:24:45] pretty cutthroat. If you get the
complaint,
[2:24:48] » you send Garrett to see if there's an
actual violation because you're probably
[2:24:53] going to get some complaints that
aren't. I'm still saying I want this in
[2:24:56] resolution.
>> Absolutely. [laughter]
[2:25:03] » Resolution, but if Garrett wants a
councilman to go with him, I'm sure he
[2:25:07] could get a hold of one of us.
Absolutely glad to go with him, but he
[2:25:11] didn't want it all back.
>> And and and that way that's done. then
[2:25:16] we don't have to have people meet um to
um try to sort that out or you know um
[2:25:25] people showing up angry. I mean they
they they got the letter. I mean it is
[2:25:30] frustrating that Garrett's got to go
over and tell them yes you're in
[2:25:34] violation. Your grass is 3 and 1/2 ft
tall as if you didn't know that on your
[2:25:38] own. But then we're not getting angry
people because they've already been
[2:25:44] aware that it's been looked into. They
are in violation and this is where it's
[2:25:49] going next.
>> So, since we're talking about this, and
[2:25:53] I'm not going to name any locations, but
I did get a complaint today. It was a
[2:25:59] parking issue.
I mean, our ordinance addresses if a
[2:26:03] vehicle is parked in a certain spot for
too long. Well, that's not on us. We
[2:26:09] don't patrol the streets to know if it's
not moved or anything. So, there's going
[2:26:14] to have to be some time taken. And we
point it out to law enforcement. Can you
[2:26:18] keep an eye on this vehicle to see if it
gets moved or if it stays here? Is it
[2:26:23] parked too close to the curb to cause
safety issues when people are trying to
[2:26:27] So, there's going to be some time that
it's going to take to get this all
[2:26:31] figured out. And I explained that to the
resident and started with some pictures
[2:26:37] today, but what they were complaining
about
[2:26:42] wasn't parked there today, of course.
[laughter]
[2:26:48] » Perfect.
>> So, I mean, those kinds of things also
[2:26:51] come to our office and that's not really
in violation of our ordinances. Those
[2:26:56] need to be addressed with law
enforcement and all that kind of stuff.
[2:27:01] So, what's your suggestion for that?
>> Law enforcement. That's why we pay him.
[2:27:06] [laughter]
>> But he's shaking his head. But
[2:27:09] » and he you guys follow our ordinances as
our community and that we should just
[2:27:15] let them do their job. I That's my
request.
[2:27:18] » So, you go to Yeah.
>> Well, and that's what I said I was going
[2:27:22] to do. Um, but today was a little busy
getting ready for the meeting. So, no
[2:27:28] action has been taken yet. Tomorrow's
going to be busy again with followup of
[2:27:31] the meeting. Monday's a holiday. It's
going to be Tuesday before anything can
[2:27:36] probably get addressed. And I just want
you guys to know things can't happen
[2:27:40] just right away.
>> I mean, and it's not that we're ignoring
[2:27:43] it. It's just the way it is.
>> Well, and you know, I mean, we should
[2:27:48] all keep in mind as well, there are
certain situations or violations within
[2:27:53] our ordinances that you got to give
people a little bit of time to deal
[2:27:57] with.
So if they reach out to you and say,
[2:28:01] "Yes, this is where we're kind of at
with things,"
[2:28:05] you can share that with us. It doesn't
need to go on the agenda. We understand
[2:28:09] there are certain things that can't be
remedied right away. I mean, that's
[2:28:12] common sense. So, I mean, it just
keeping that communication open with us.
[2:28:19] That way, if the person comes in that
signed the complaint and wants to fill
[2:28:23] out another one because it isn't done,
you can explain to them, "We have been
[2:28:26] in contact with this individual
and no need for another form. We are
[2:28:32] working through it."
>> I actually told them they may be asked
[2:28:36] to come back. I wanted to investigate to
see if it was any violations happening
[2:28:40] before I have them fill something out.
Anyway, I mean, it's kind of new point
[2:28:45] if they're not in violation. So told
them if it was in violation they would
[2:28:50] have to come back fill out the form
silver.
[2:28:55] » We still on item 26.
>> Yes.
[2:29:00] » 26 or 27.
>> 26 items for discussion.
[2:29:05] » How did I get renumbered?
>> Oh yeah. Something.
[2:29:10] » Well, I wanted to stay here all night.
You know the cubs won. But we got we got
[2:29:15] to stay here in the party as long as
we're discussing
[2:29:19] and stuff that we don't follow.
>> So if we're on 26
[2:29:24] » we really we really
>> shouldn't have taken any action.
[2:29:29] » I'm not take you're not making any
money. You're just making suggestions.
[2:29:33] » Well I consider that action. So,
>> I'm just making sure
[2:29:38] » if I'm telling you what I would like you
to do, that's
[2:29:41] » he's taking action here.
>> Not casting a vote or anything, but it
[2:29:46] » sounds to me as though there's going to
be a resolution, but and you all can
[2:29:50] vote on it then.
>> Vote on it.
[2:29:52] » All right. I just want to make sure.
>> I don't think there's any action yet. I
[2:29:55] do have one question totally off from
the subject, but um I know they did put
[2:30:01] in paperwork with DNR
for like taking on furniture and stuff
[2:30:06] out the rebel site. Is there any
progress on that or where is that at? Do
[2:30:12] you know?
>> I don't know.
[2:30:14] » Okay. Um could talk with Garrett next
time you talk with him and kind of see
[2:30:20] where it's at or
>> I can try to remember.
[2:30:22] » Yeah.
>> To do that. I'll send myself a reminder.
[2:30:26] » I would on that subject. I was still
trying to get rid of TV and now I've
[2:30:32] been told that my address isn't a Rapid
City address that I can't go to the
[2:30:37] Rapid City landfill.
So, I'm confused. Maybe I'll just sneak
[2:30:42] it out to the
>> Take it to the city.
[2:30:46] [laughter]
>> I'd like Sorry, I didn't say that.
[2:30:49] » If we're still on 26.
>> Yes. Everybody see in this community
[2:30:54] seems we need to be following ordinances
and ordinances. We don't give up. We are
[2:30:58] following ordinances. Why the heck did
we waste all the no camping signs out
[2:31:03] here in the parking lot when every
morning there's campers out there
[2:31:06] parked? One time in July there was a
lady out there camp for about a week.
[2:31:12] She'd actually unhook from her camper
and go travel around all day and then
[2:31:18] come back her electric vehicle. then she
would hook it up. I'm just wondering
[2:31:22] they they're always parked there and we
have probably 10 signs says no overnight
[2:31:28] parking. No overnight parking and I'm
just curious as why that always happens.
[2:31:33] I know it's been park camping all the
way
[2:31:38] overnight parking though down in
>> across from the one dorm down in behind
[2:31:45] that guy goes.
>> Yes, that's all parking. That's all.
[2:31:49] That's
>> that's private, right? So they can't
[2:31:51] park.
>> It's just over here.
[2:31:53] » Yeah. Just parked up there.
>> What's annoying about it is can't people
[2:31:59] read I mean they park pacing them signs
and everything.
[2:32:02] » They don't see stop signs. How do you
expect
[2:32:06] stop signs too?
>> Well, that's probably more of a an issue
[2:32:10] and I don't know.
>> It's an issue that we've dealt with.
[2:32:12] It's I've dealt with myself. Um,
ultimately, like you said, if there was
[2:32:17] a lady that was there for like over a
week, I would hope you would notice it,
[2:32:22] but also at the end of the day, if that
was June or July was so busy that that
[2:32:26] parking lot, unless we got called there,
that may not be our top priority. Um,
[2:32:31] but I've dealt with a lot of people
asking me or I've come up to people be
[2:32:34] like, "Hey, kind of looks like you're
setting up. Just so you know, can't
[2:32:38] overnight here." But I always direct
them to that other one that has no
[2:32:41] signs. So, as far as I'm aware, they
can. that's the one I've directed them
[2:32:45] to. Um, it hasn't been a crazy issue
that I've seen, but plenty of people
[2:32:49] have come and asked me and I've tried to
give as best guidance as I could.
[2:32:53] Ultimately, if it comes to a fact of
you've noticed this parking violation
[2:32:58] and you've noticed it for days and
doesn't seem to be addressed,
[2:33:02] um, same with possibly the one that
Caroline was dealing with, a vehicle
[2:33:06] that maybe needs to be addressed. I
think there's also a
[2:33:10] slight apprehension to people not
calling law enforcement to get something
[2:33:15] addressed. I'm not saying you have to.
If it's something you want to deal with
[2:33:19] from the city or personal or neighborly,
however you want to deal with it, that's
[2:33:23] fine. But sometimes if you want
something to get taken care of, it's not
[2:33:27] taken care of, just got to call.
>> So what what do you call what number do
[2:33:31] you call?
>> 911.
[2:33:34] » They will take a
>> Yeah, that's our that's how you get to
[2:33:36] dispatch. That's the only way I know how
to get
[2:33:38] » I call 3942151.
>> You can call that as well. Consider the
[2:33:43] non-emergency line, but they all go to
the same place.
[2:33:45] » Yep.
>> The same people.
[2:33:47] » So, [clears throat]
>> the the overnight camping, we we've
[2:33:51] dealt with this
>> several years ago. And um
[2:33:58] now we only have one campground and you
know after 10:00 their office is closed.
[2:34:04] » That is true. and and we said we didn't
want, you know, at midnight somebody
[2:34:09] pulls in off the interstate and pulls in
there and goes to sleep. We didn't want
[2:34:14] deputies going in there beating on their
door and say, "You got to get up and
[2:34:17] move." That's not I mean,
>> not thought we allotted. So, we really
[2:34:23] not pushed that issue.
>> That makes sense.
[2:34:26] » That doesn't make good sense.
[2:34:31] » Anything else? It's not sunrise yet.
[2:34:36] Well, last chance. [laughter]
Excellent. Jerry.
[2:34:42] » That's because I didn't watch.
>> Uh, next city council meeting will be
[2:34:47] September 17th at 6:30.
Item 28. We have a need for an executive
[2:34:54] session.
[2:34:58] » We take
the motion that we go to the executive
[2:35:03] session.
to discuss SPCL1-25-1.
[2:35:10] » I have a motion
>> and I have a second.
[2:35:14] » Further discussion carries none. All in
favor say I.
[2:35:18] » All opposed.
>> Sorry.
[2:35:21] » All I hear from executive session.
[2:35:30] Uh
>> I'm calling us out of executive session
[2:35:32] at 9:18.
Is there any action following executive
[2:35:37] session?
>> Yes. I would like to make a motion that
[2:35:41] the city of Wall
hire Owen Bowski
[2:35:46] at $23.50
per hour in our public works department
[2:35:53] pending pre-employment screening.
>> I have a motion.
[2:35:58] » Second.
>> Um, you guys, Lily She's personnel
[2:36:04] around.
>> Uh, I have a motion in a second. Any
[2:36:06] further discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor say I.
[2:36:10] » I.
>> All oppose, same sign. Motion carries.
[2:36:15] » Second. Pretty.
>> Um, it is now
[2:36:19] 9:19 and I'm gonna call this meeting to
the jury.
[2:36:24] » Perfect.
>> Thank you everyone.