1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:19,429 [Music] 2 00:00:19,439 --> 00:00:20,560 Good evening. I will call this meeting 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,160 to order. Uh if you would kindly stand 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,680 for the pledge of allegiance. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,760 Pledge allegiance to the flag of the 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,920 United States of America and to the 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,719 republic for which it stands. One nation 8 00:00:32,719 --> 00:00:35,440 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 9 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,640 justice for all. 10 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,920 Thank you very much. Madam clerk, would 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,120 you kindly call the role? 12 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,320 Laughen here. Rean here. Reynolds here. 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,800 Tada here. Morose here. 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,239 Uh so the format for tonight is going to 15 00:00:56,239 --> 00:00:57,360 be a little bit different than it's been 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,480 in the past. Um this is the the evening 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,719 for uh departments with specific 18 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:03,920 questions from the council that the 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,080 council wanted to talk to. Uh so we're 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:07,280 just going to call out the lines in the 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,280 budget. Uh those of you that are guests 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,479 that are department heads, appreciate 23 00:01:10,479 --> 00:01:11,920 your attendance. You may or may not be 24 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,360 required depending on the the nature of 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,479 the question, you know, but that's 26 00:01:14,479 --> 00:01:16,880 between um uh you know, you and the 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,799 mayor as far as how that that's going to 28 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:20,159 work. So the first one we're going to 29 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:21,920 start with is going to be capital appro 30 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,439 and we'll hold all public questions to 31 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:24,479 the end so the public will have an 32 00:01:24,479 --> 00:01:25,360 opportunity to ask questions but we'll 33 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,479 save that to the end. Um so the first 34 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:29,280 one is going to be capital 35 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,640 appropriations and reserve questions on 36 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,560 that. Councelor Tata. Thank you Mr. 37 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,799 Chairman. Uh so just so we're all on the 38 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:40,640 same page I'm looking at page 89 of the 39 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:46,469 budget book. 40 00:01:46,479 --> 00:01:48,799 My question, my general question on this 41 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:52,479 page is if all of the project projects 42 00:01:52,479 --> 00:01:55,280 that are listed here um are actually 43 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,720 happening, if any of them have been 44 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,119 closed out since this budget was 45 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:01,200 submitted, and if we anticipate um the 46 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,840 full expenditure of the bottom line, 47 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:10,469 which is 1,70,164. 48 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,280 Good evening. 49 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,800 So this page 50 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,560 is capital that was carried forward from 51 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,480 the prior year plus capital this year 52 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,480 that hasn't been spent yet. 53 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,080 So these projects could be finished 54 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:33,040 throughout the end of the year and then that's not this is what you 55 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,120 appropriate tonight that 1 million not 56 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:36,920 tonight but this 57 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:41,040 1,7164 is the highest it can be but if 58 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,519 when all these when the year's closed 59 00:02:43,519 --> 00:02:45,519 out I go through all these accounts and 60 00:02:45,519 --> 00:02:48,640 any money that's spent does not get 61 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,160 appropriated because then we'd be double 62 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,959 spending so that they'll get that 63 00:02:52,959 --> 00:02:55,840 they'll all be reduced or you know if 64 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,879 they haven't been spent they haven't 65 00:02:56,879 --> 00:02:58,640 been spent. So that money would 66 00:02:58,640 --> 00:02:59,760 automatically go back to the general 67 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:00,959 fund or those these are the projects 68 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:03,200 that get put on that list that we get by 69 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,480 February 1st. No this this is not part 70 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,239 of the cap and not okay this is general 71 00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:12,959 fund capital projects and then they 72 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:14,280 either lapse 73 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,200 or we do this so that they don't lapse. 74 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,159 Okay but they projects would be gone. 75 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:21,519 Got it. So automatically if there's 76 00:03:21,519 --> 00:03:22,800 leftover money or if something doesn't 77 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,080 happen it just automatically goes back 78 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,480 to the general fund. Correct. So usually 79 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,720 I you know I contact them I try to get 80 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,599 them to spend you know throughout the 81 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:34,319 year you know so these are you know I 82 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:36,080 went through and I thought these were 83 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,040 projects that were still ongoing that 84 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,280 probably needed to be carried forward. 85 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,959 Okay. Perfect. Thank you. That's all I 86 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:45,440 have for that Mr. Chairman. Anyone else 87 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,599 on this 88 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:51,750 topic? Okay. Moving on to 89 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:59,350 Uh, board of assessment appeals. 90 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Council Ted. Yes. So, let's go get to 91 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:10,990 that 92 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,879 page. So, we're on page 19 of the budget 93 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:17,519 book. 94 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,720 My question on this one was I had never 95 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,400 realized before, this might just be my 96 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,120 own 97 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,040 uh lack of realizing in the past, but it 98 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,479 looks like this commission or this board 99 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:34,080 um gets a stipend. And I don't recall I 100 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,440 thought the only boards or commissions 101 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,160 that received stipens were town council 102 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,639 and public utilities commission. Um, so 103 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:43,199 when I realized this this year, I just 104 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:44,639 had never realized it before, but I also 105 00:04:44,639 --> 00:04:46,639 noticed that it looks like every year 106 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,320 that stipent is fluctuating. 107 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,800 Um, so year ended 2024, it looks like 108 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,759 6,978 was spent in their salary 109 00:04:56,759 --> 00:05:00,240 line, which I assume is the stipens 110 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,560 because that's the only thing I see on 111 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,800 the following page. And then the next 112 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,560 year, I'm sorry, the current year it 113 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,120 looks like it's 114 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,560 14,000. And then for this proposed 115 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,639 budget, they requested 8,000 and the 116 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:16,560 mayor approved 8,000. So I just wanted 117 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,759 to know a little bit about the history 118 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:19,520 of that, why they're getting a stipen, 119 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,400 why the fluctuation in the rate. 120 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,400 Not sure who's here to answer that. I 121 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,039 can answer that for well some of that. I 122 00:05:27,039 --> 00:05:29,759 mean, they since they've always gotten a 123 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:31,919 stipen, it's always been in the budget. 124 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:35,800 It really only fluctuates on the year of 125 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,520 revaluation. So it's usually 126 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,120 8,000 in all the budgets and then it 127 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,440 gets bumped up in year revaluation 128 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,160 because there's almost twice the amount 129 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,479 of work. So how many meetings per year 130 00:05:48,479 --> 00:05:50,680 do they typically 131 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,680 have? I mean I know that they have the 132 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,800 they would have the um appeals they meet 133 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,840 for the car taxes once. How how often 134 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:02,320 are they meeting? Kev, can you come up 135 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:11,550 and answer 136 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,520 that? It's Kevin, the assessor. Uh they 137 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,440 do board of assessment appeals meets the 138 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,919 first um Saturday I believe in 139 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:24,639 September. Um and they also um meet 140 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:28,080 during the uh month of March. Uh this 141 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,199 year there were uh about 240 appeals 142 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:34,880 total. Not all of those were heard by 143 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,800 the board of appeals because what many 144 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,520 of those were over a million dollars. So 145 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,360 but the volume was quite heavy this year 146 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,000 for the board. 147 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,560 So for this past March 148 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,560 and they get paid extra because it was 149 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,520 the reval year. So in a in a non-reval 150 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,479 year, so basically every three years 151 00:06:54,479 --> 00:06:56,960 they're probably meeting twice per year. 152 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,800 Does that sound about right? The the 153 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,599 September and the March. Correct. Um we 154 00:07:01,599 --> 00:07:04,560 do a revaluation every five years. So 155 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,680 five, I'm sorry. One out of four. Okay. 156 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,319 So if you they're they're budgeted for 157 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:12,680 2,000 each and then there's a recording 158 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,479 secretary. So depending on how much she 159 00:07:15,479 --> 00:07:18,360 works. So of that 160 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,440 8,000 6,000 is for the board members, 161 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,919 2,000 is for the recording secretary. 162 00:07:23,919 --> 00:07:25,639 Okay. And then in the 163 00:07:25,639 --> 00:07:28,319 revalure, how does that shift? So that 164 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,440 was 165 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,960 probably, was it 14? It was probably 166 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,680 12,000 for the stipens and 2,000 for the 167 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,520 recording secretary. So they're they 168 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,520 would each be getting 4,000 in the reval 169 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:46,390 year. I mean, right. Yeah. 4,000. Yes. 170 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,070 Okay. 171 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,440 So, do we know that the the history of 172 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,000 how this how that I mean I know there 173 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:54,879 there's other boards and commissions 174 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:56,400 that meet much more frequently that 175 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,400 don't receive stipens. So, I just not 176 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,080 sure what the history is why this board 177 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,759 receives them and others do not. 178 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:05,680 I do not know that. Do you know that, 179 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,520 Mr. Coons? They've received stipens 180 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,720 since I've been here and I've been here 181 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,560 almost 20 years. So, just always been 182 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,879 that way. Okay. Yeah. So, I don't I 183 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:16,080 don't know the history. Okay. All right. 184 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,479 That is all I have on that. Thank you, 185 00:08:18,479 --> 00:08:20,000 Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Cle. 186 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,280 Appreciate it. Thank you. Anyone else on 187 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,840 this topic? 188 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:33,550 Okay. Next, we'll we'll go to um 189 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:36,760 Kapan. Is that me again? Council Tata. 190 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,959 Great. All right. So, two pages here. 191 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:42,560 So, page 23 and then 192 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:50,670 um again on page 83. So, I'll start on 193 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:52,880 23. I'm sorry. Actually, we'll go right 194 00:08:52,880 --> 00:09:02,990 to 195 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,120 83. All right. I'm assuming this is for 196 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,200 Mr. Senna, but correct me if I'm wrong. 197 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,360 The transfer is uh the line item 198 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,880 transfer general fund. So, I know we 199 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,279 have we have the electric division pilot 200 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:17,279 um but then there's a line item transfer 201 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:19,800 general fund and it looks like 202 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,640 500,000 was 203 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,200 um expended in 2020 the fiscal year 204 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,120 ending 205 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,470 2024 then 206 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,640 nothing currently and then a request of 207 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,600 390,136 this year which the mayor 208 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,120 approved in his budget. So I'm 209 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,720 assuming that's just a choice that the 210 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,560 administration makes and that's in order 211 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,399 to balance to make all the projects on 212 00:09:44,399 --> 00:09:49,040 the next page to get those paid for. 213 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,000 So the 500,000 in the prior year 214 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,760 the Rob um public works needed more 215 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,040 money for paving. Okay. So that's you 216 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,600 know that's what that so his paving 217 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,200 account is in the cabin nan. So you guys 218 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,680 approved that transfer and and that's 219 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:13,120 how that went there. So as we kind of 220 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,160 discussed last night, the electric 221 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,839 revenue keeps going down. You know, 222 00:10:17,839 --> 00:10:21,320 conservation's great, but it's generated 223 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,720 on the cost. There's a formula that the 224 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,040 electric division gives me that that 225 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,240 number. So but that number keeps 226 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,760 dwindling and the projects keep getting 227 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,160 more and more. So to fund the the 228 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,480 projects on the other 229 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,920 page, the first number is the electric 230 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,440 division number and then we needed the 231 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,560 390 136 to fund the rest of those 232 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:46,279 projects. 233 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:51,230 Okay. Okay. So if one of 234 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,560 those All right, I understand. So so 235 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:55,480 this 236 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,160 21101 that's coming out of here that's 237 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,480 going to tie to the revenue of the the 238 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,200 cap and non fun. Okay. So basically, if 239 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,600 we took that if we did not take that 240 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,920 transfer of 390 from the general fund, 241 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,440 we would have to then go to the next 242 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,720 page and pick $390,000 worth of projects 243 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,279 that we would not be doing. Correct. 244 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:17,839 Okay. All right. And then on 245 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:19,519 that list of projects, this I'm not sure 246 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:20,720 who these questions are going to be for 247 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,640 depending on what line, but um 248 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,160 the brick paper replacement that is not 249 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,560 in this year, but it is scheduled for it 250 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,920 looks like every other year. Um, this 251 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,440 might be for Mr. Bramitis who was here 252 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,519 last night, but um, not a question, but 253 00:11:35,519 --> 00:11:38,480 more of a comment. I know the Oh, maybe 254 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:44,710 we do have somebody. I'm sorry. 255 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,480 How are you? How are you, Alison 256 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,240 Capachinsky, town engineer? Thank you 257 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,200 very much. The brick pavers, are we 258 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,760 actually replacing with bricks or have 259 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,120 we looked at maybe doing stamped 260 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,399 concrete that looks like bricks? Because 261 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:58,160 I know the weeds and the the maintenance 262 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,399 of the bricks has been an issue. So that 263 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:02,880 line item um is funded for the resetting 264 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,120 of brick pavers. So we do have to, you 265 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,600 know, replace some bricks, but the goal 266 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,200 is to remove the bricks, clean up the 267 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,720 area, and put the same bricks back. 268 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,399 Okay. So it's really for the labor. 269 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:13,839 There is a little bit of material costs 270 00:12:13,839 --> 00:12:15,279 in there, too. Okay. So that's more 271 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:16,959 maintenance of the existing ones. 272 00:12:16,959 --> 00:12:19,880 Exactly. Perfect. 273 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,480 Um the this is I'm just going to go 274 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,399 through what I think might be yours. Um 275 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:26,160 the downtown parking lot improvements, 276 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,639 that's $80,000 for this year. I'm 277 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:30,160 assuming I think we talked about these 278 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,200 last night. I'm assuming these are the 279 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,920 ones that are behind um on Center 280 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,600 Street, those rear lots. Is that 281 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,959 accurate? 282 00:12:37,959 --> 00:12:41,040 Um I don't know that we've we know that 283 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:42,800 a lot of them need to be addressed. So I 284 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,920 don't know that we've picked exactly 285 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,399 which ones. Um you know, it's kind of a 286 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:48,639 fluid plan as far as I know. Um it will 287 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:50,480 be a combined effort with me and public 288 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,320 works. Okay. So then the 80,000 that's 289 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,760 just where did that number come from if 290 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,600 we don't have them the projects chosen 291 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,200 yet? I think just to get us started we 292 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,720 think we could at least you know repave 293 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:02,480 some stuff but you know maybe some need 294 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,200 uh guard rail um you know some could use 295 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,839 some other improvements as well. So um 296 00:13:07,839 --> 00:13:09,440 to try to get us you know going in the 297 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:10,720 right direction. Okay. So that's kind of 298 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,639 just earmarked for that and then you'll 299 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:14,959 decide what how far that money will get 300 00:13:14,959 --> 00:13:16,880 you basically. I think so. Yeah. And 301 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,079 like there's always an opportunity to 302 00:13:18,079 --> 00:13:19,360 look for other funding as well and use 303 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,480 that as part of a match. Okay. Got it. 304 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,639 Uh the Gregory Road sidewalk extension, 305 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:25,519 would you be able just to talk about 306 00:13:25,519 --> 00:13:27,040 that? So it looks like it's 70,000 in 307 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,240 this budget and then 308 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,320 $280,000 uh earmark for next year. Yeah. 309 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,000 So that project we estimated to be 310 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,240 $350,000. Um because there was, as you 311 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,279 could tell, there are quite a bit of 312 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,920 projects to be done this year. Um rather 313 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,920 than picking and choosing whether we go 314 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,399 with, you know, the traditional sidewalk 315 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:49,760 replacement program or this Gregory Road 316 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,480 sidewalk extension, um the strategy that 317 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,240 the administration came up with was to 318 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,959 fund 20% of it now and look for a grant 319 00:13:56,959 --> 00:13:58,639 this year. So then we'd have the match 320 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:00,399 already here and then the grants always 321 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:02,639 want you to have the uh entire project 322 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:04,480 funded in the capital improvement plan. 323 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,320 So it would show there. We'd say, you 324 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:07,519 know, here's the rest of the funding, 325 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:09,920 but hopefully get something from them. 326 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,320 um and see if that works out. Okay. And 327 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,000 that's to expand I'm sorry, I'm just not 328 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,880 familiar with um that project that this 329 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,959 is an expansion. Yeah. So, right now 330 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:21,040 there's no sidewalks on uh Gregory Road 331 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,120 and so we're going to um hopefully 332 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,519 install sidewalk from uh Highland to 333 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:31,120 Johnson. Um and then I believe it goes 334 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,240 up maybe three houses on Highland. I 335 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:35,760 don't have the plans with me, but it's 336 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,199 about that scope. Was this the one that 337 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:38,959 we were hearing about? There were people 338 00:14:38,959 --> 00:14:41,600 a few years ago where speed of cars they 339 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,440 were have concerns. Okay. All right. 340 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,440 Perfect. All right. Thank you. And um I 341 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,800 apologize. I think that did come up last 342 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,240 night. So I'm sorry if that was 343 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,310 redundant. 344 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,279 Uh this one I know 345 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:57,920 about the library parking lot repairs we 346 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,199 did discuss last 347 00:15:00,199 --> 00:15:04,360 night. I think that's all I 348 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,680 have for that. Yes, I'm all set. Thank 349 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,120 you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Appreciate 350 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,000 it. Thank you. Anyone else on this 351 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 topic? Thank you, Miss 352 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,839 Capinski. Moving on to next, we'll go to 353 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:18,160 uh pension. We can do pension uh 354 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,639 employee 355 00:15:19,639 --> 00:15:41,110 insurance together. 356 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,800 Good evening. Hello everybody. Jim 357 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,760 Hottown, HR 358 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,600 director, Council Tat. Thank you, Mr. 359 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,839 Chairman. I'll do uh W do pension first 360 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:51,040 and then see if anyone else has anything 361 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:57,069 and then we'll go to the next. 362 00:15:57,079 --> 00:16:09,030 Okay. Get to the right page here. 363 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,230 Okay. So, we're on page 364 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,199 27. Mr. I don't know if you know this 365 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:16,399 off top of your head. I I should have 366 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:19,720 looked up myself, but in the most recent 367 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,710 audit, were there 368 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,320 um I know there's not a surplus in the 369 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,560 pension because it's obviously a fluid 370 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,440 account, but what 371 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,639 is does it look like? How does it look 372 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:33,600 like we're funding this? Does it look 373 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:35,199 like we have too much in it, not enough 374 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:37,120 in it? What's the state of the pension 375 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,040 fund? Basically, 376 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,839 state of the pension fund or the line 377 00:16:40,839 --> 00:16:43,120 item because the pension fund is 378 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,079 something different. Okay. So that's run 379 00:16:46,079 --> 00:16:47,920 through the pension commission, right? 380 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,160 So if you're looking at the line items 381 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,399 on page 27, I can tell you how we get 382 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:55,279 there. Okay. Yeah. So you don't want 383 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:57,199 Yeah. You're not here to speak on the 384 00:16:57,199 --> 00:17:00,560 pension, but So what we do is we do 385 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,480 preliminary numbers when we're getting 386 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,880 ready to submit the budget to the 387 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,120 finance department for the mayor's 388 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:11,120 review. And once we're done with that, 389 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:13,760 the mayor and Tim go through the budget 390 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,079 and um Tim will then let us know what 391 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,240 positions on the town side are going to 392 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,400 be funded and what that amount is and that includes full-time and 393 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,959 part-time positions. So then what we do 394 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:31,039 is we roll those numbers up. We add in 395 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:35,039 the um what the board of ed provides us 396 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:37,679 for their uh payroll for the 397 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:39,679 consolidated pension plan. We do pay for 398 00:17:39,679 --> 00:17:42,000 the board of ed's pension contributions. 399 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,160 Okay. And then those amounts get rolled 400 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,520 up and we calculate the pension 401 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,520 contribution for the town and the board 402 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,440 of ed which this year is 403 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,720 25.3% and Medicare and social security 404 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,280 for uh for those uh wage amounts social 405 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,840 security for part-timer 6.2% and 406 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,559 Medicare for everybody who's covered 407 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:08,080 1.45%. 408 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,760 So that's how we come up with this and 409 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,440 then our actuary gives us the value of 410 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,160 what we put into the LOAP program. 411 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,760 Okay. So thank you for that. That's very 412 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,360 helpful. 413 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:24,799 The I didn't realize that the board of 414 00:18:24,799 --> 00:18:27,840 ed pension is also on this side. So is 415 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,520 that is that typical for municipalities 416 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,840 that that would not be part of the board 417 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,200 of ed's budget because I'm assuming 418 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,280 that's a large part of this. It's like 419 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,120 12 million. 420 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,720 Yeah, 421 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,400 I can get it. I can get the number for 422 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,919 you. Yeah, I don't need it right now. 423 00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:43,520 But just just to clarify, so that 424 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,880 doesn't include teachers though because 425 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,400 that does not include teachers. No, it's 426 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,600 just the the non-certified personnel uh 427 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,880 that are covered under the mirror 428 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,520 statutes. Okay. But it wouldn't be 12 429 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,039 million, Jim. The whole line I know is 430 00:18:55,039 --> 00:19:03,590 12 million. Hold on. Let me see. 431 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:04,840 So the 432 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,280 25.3 is also determined by the actuaries 433 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,360 and the the 434 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:12,400 25.3 what number is that are you 435 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,640 referring to? So for the on the town 436 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,080 side Mhm. anyone who's in the pension 437 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,320 all the 438 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,799 salary. So every time we run payroll 439 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:26,240 25.3% will come out and go into the 440 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,480 pension fund every week. Okay. 441 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,440 Yes. So I can tell you the board of ed 442 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,799 payroll that we 443 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:39,440 uh use to set the pension contribution 444 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,080 is 445 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,320 12,810 362. Okay. That's what we get 446 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,720 from the board of ed. Sorry, that's the 447 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,600 total payroll number. Sorry. Okay. And 448 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,799 then it's the same percentage from that 449 00:19:51,799 --> 00:19:56,270 25.3%. Yes. All right. 450 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,720 Um, is that I don't know if you can 451 00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,840 speak to this or not. This is more for 452 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,840 the pension commission, but the 25.3 is 453 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,520 that is that typical is that like a 454 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,679 normal range for municipality? That 455 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:07,360 seems awfully high, but I mean I don't 456 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:09,600 know. Maybe that's just typical. You 457 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,320 know, that's probably a question for the 458 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,600 actuaries. Okay. But 459 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,520 um considering we've made some 460 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,080 assumption changes over the years, the interest credit assumptions dropped 461 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,640 from 8% I think we're down to 7% Tim 462 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,280 right now and the amortization rate went 463 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,799 from I think 25 to 24 years. So we're 464 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:34,480 paying more to pair down what we owe. 465 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,559 Okay. I assume that's something that 466 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:38,760 you're looking at with contracts. I mean 467 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,640 I'm because I I just I don't 468 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:46,840 so employee wages wage increases you 469 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,440 know brings this number up as well you 470 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,679 know. Yeah. Okay. I don't I mean 471 00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:55,760 admittedly this is a subject I'm not 472 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,039 very well versed in. I don't really 473 00:20:57,039 --> 00:20:58,960 understand, you know, pension like the 474 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,720 workings of all of that. But I just my 475 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,799 concern always is that 476 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,480 um it becomes unaffordable or 477 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,039 unsustainable over time because it's a large amount of money. 478 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:12,559 Um you know, just this page alone is $12 479 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,200 million. So that's annually, you know, 480 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,559 almost $12 million that we're paying 481 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:18,400 into this. So it's a huge it's a huge 482 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,830 chunk of the budget. 483 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,360 Um I think that's all I I have on the 484 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,240 pension. So just to and just to um if I 485 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,640 may u just to clarify so the pension 486 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,440 contribution is simply the payroll 487 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,159 multiplied times the 488 00:21:35,159 --> 00:21:37,600 actuarial percentage correct that's 489 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,840 correct okay so so it's that simple so 490 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,520 as we increase staff that's just 491 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,280 naturally going to go up that's correct 492 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,200 and so the the percentage could vary by 493 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,320 year but that has to do with market 494 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,480 performance etc etc correct that's 495 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,600 correct yes correct it's a complicated 496 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,240 right so so there's two ways you can do 497 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,480 it they can calculate that the the match 498 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,679 is $11 million and sometimes just put in 499 00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:06,880 the $11 million or the way we do it is 500 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,360 if the payroll is not fully there, 501 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:12,720 you're not paying extra, right? So, 502 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,960 we're only paying what we're required to 503 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,840 pay on the actual employees. Whereas if 504 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,840 we just took the if they I'm just making 505 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,400 up numbers but if they said 11 million 506 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,720 is what's required your required 507 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,400 contribution and we always make the 508 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,679 required contribution. So we could just 509 00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:31,360 put the 11 million in or we could do it 510 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:32,799 the way we do it. We find it more 511 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,720 efficient to do it the way we do it. 512 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,480 Okay. No understood. Anytime you say the 513 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,520 word actuary it becomes very 514 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,679 complicated. Right. Um, so does that 515 00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:41,840 mean then that this is so is this a 516 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,360 fixed budget amount and that this is 517 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:45,120 what we're going to spend or if we don't 518 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,880 spend the payroll, do we then adjust the 519 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,400 payment based on the actual payroll 520 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,720 spend? 521 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,720 So this is if every position was filled 522 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,039 for every week, this is what we would 523 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,320 pay. So So that that's 524 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,600 No, that answered my question. Thank 525 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,360 you. 526 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,360 Any other questions this one? Yep. Mr. 527 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,320 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Hut. Um, in 528 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,919 the part of the world that I live in, we 529 00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:11,760 deal with loaded costs of employees, 530 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,960 right? Do we have any semblance of a, 531 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,760 you know, is it a 1.5 factor? Is it a, 532 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,760 you know, is it somewhere on that scale 533 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,559 that we can say for pension eligible 534 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,919 employees, our our costs are X? So that 535 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:28,080 when we take a look at headcount, we can 536 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,880 adjust, you know, that number and those 537 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,919 that that math becomes less complex. So 538 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:36,480 I think the 25.3% is the number you 539 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,159 would use for pension. Okay. Um but as 540 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:42,799 far as a general is it you know you've 541 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:45,120 got the FTE cost is the FTE cost. So 542 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:48,400 that's a 1x factor and now we've got you 543 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,159 know personal cell phones you've got any 544 00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:51,840 number or work cell phones you've got 545 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,080 any number of different things benefits 546 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,120 included in that conversation. Do we is 547 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,880 there a target number that we work 548 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,840 towards? No. No. Okay. Thank you. Thank 549 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,840 you Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Anyone else 550 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,559 on this topic? All right, moving on. And 551 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:08,640 uh Jim, hang on a minute. So, the other 552 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,640 one was uh pension and then 553 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,000 employee employee insurance and other 554 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,269 benefits. 555 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:19,760 Council Tata, thank you. So, this is on 556 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,320 page 28. I'm looking at a couple 557 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,590 questions on this one. 558 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,640 So under the program 559 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,080 description, it says longevity and 560 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,679 annual payment based upon years of 561 00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:36,000 service for general government employees 562 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,400 except fire, police, public works, and 563 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,159 public 564 00:24:39,159 --> 00:24:41,600 utilities. Why are those specific 565 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,559 departments exempt from that? I do not 566 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,720 know. This is how it's been since I 567 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,880 started here. My guess is that because 568 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,120 uh they they reside outside of town 569 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:56,880 hall, but that's we've always budgeted 570 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,760 for everybody but these departments for 571 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,039 longevity. Okay. And what's the So those 572 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,679 town those departments get longevity. It 573 00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:06,559 just gets paid out of their own 574 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:08,799 department. Correct. 575 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,960 They have their own. So So the 576 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,960 firefighters that are eligible, they get 577 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,880 longevity. It just gets paid out of the 578 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,720 fire department budget. Okay. So, all of 579 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:18,960 those other departments, yes, they Yes, 580 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,960 they get it. They just It's not paid out 581 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,640 of this line item. Okay. All right. 582 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,950 Thank you. That makes 583 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960 sense. 584 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,440 Um, is that also the same the next line 585 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,960 down? It says the town provides life and 586 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,120 health insurance for its employees in 587 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,840 accordance with union contract 588 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,200 provisions. Other benefits such as 589 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,559 employee assistance program, tuition 590 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:41,600 reimbursement, and training are 591 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,679 included. So, that that would be for 592 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:46,159 everybody would be budgeted in. So, we 593 00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:49,120 budget for everybody for life and health 594 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:52,640 insurance except utilities. Okay. Um 595 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,360 employee assistance program, we budget 596 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,400 for the town. Utilities, police and fire 597 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,360 have their own separate programs. And 598 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,400 tuition reimbursement, we budget for the 599 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,200 town employees. Okay? And police and 600 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,919 fire, they have their own tuition uh 601 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:11,840 language in their contracts. Okay? So 602 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,799 basically every department has these 603 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:16,880 benefits. It's just a matter of who's 604 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,799 paying or where the money's coming from. 605 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,720 So from the town side, tuition 606 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,360 reimbursement, nonp police, non-fire, 607 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:24,880 that's only limited to management 608 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:29,279 employees. Okay, understood. Thank you. 609 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:31,120 And you'll notice the longevity keeps 610 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,039 going down because new hires are not 611 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:37,279 eligible. So as people retire, they're 612 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:40,320 off the books and then Okay. So that's 613 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,679 what we use. So eventually that's going 614 00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:44,880 to get to zero. Okay. The um this came 615 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,760 up last night, Mr. Hut. Um the fire 616 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,799 department switched their health 617 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:51,279 insurance I believe last year. Do you 618 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:55,120 know how much that saved the town? So 619 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,720 you know, as you know, we're in a 620 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,880 contract negotiations with fire right 621 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,000 now. When when we did move the initial 622 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,200 move uh back in 2023, I believe it was 623 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,400 uh July of 2023. 624 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,640 what our our um insurance consultant 625 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,840 projected for one year, I believe it was it was close to $300,000. 626 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:29,600 Okay. And are there programs like that other departments might be able to 627 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,000 enter into? I I've heard that there's 628 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000 state plans possibly like state health 629 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,240 insurance plans. Is that anything that 630 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,559 different I'm sure each union and each 631 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:39,840 contract will be different, but is that 632 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,679 something that we might look into or 633 00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:43,600 that they would want to look into to try 634 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,039 to save some money and get them on 635 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,600 different plans? So, so we're in 636 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,000 negotiations with a variety of unions 637 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,120 from time to time. Uh insurance 638 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,360 proposals come from these unions that 639 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,559 are not the town's plan. Right now, the 640 00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:01,840 only bargaining unit that has insurance 641 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,279 outside of the town is the firefighters. 642 00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,520 Okay. And then I'm also assuming if we 643 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,080 lose too many then would that make the 644 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,480 town plan more expensive because now 645 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,880 your pool is diminished? That may 646 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,720 happen. We would have to get those, you 647 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,080 know, that information from our 648 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,919 insurance consultant. Okay. So, it's 649 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:23,960 kind of a catch 22. Okay. 650 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,200 Um, another benefit, I don't see it 651 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,440 listed here, but I've heard that some 652 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,360 departments have it. Military buyback. 653 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,279 Is that anything that departments are 654 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:36,880 offered or any levels are offered? So, 655 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,840 back before um some some some union uh 656 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,520 some pension contracts have that 657 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,600 provision for employees hired as of a 658 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,000 certain date. For the most part, that 659 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,080 has been discontinued. 660 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,520 uh police and fire never had military 661 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,240 buyback that I know of. Uh and the 662 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,000 reason being is they they already worked 663 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,480 23 and 22 years. So, but th those those 664 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,880 unions have never had military buyback, 665 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,679 but all the others did at one point. U 666 00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:10,000 I'm not sure that they have it right 667 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,760 now. I think maybe some employees do, 668 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,360 but then others do not. Okay. So, that 669 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,080 would be something that would be 670 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,000 negotiated at the union. That's correct. 671 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,200 Contract. Yeah, that would have to be 672 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,399 negotiated. have to be costed and uh but 673 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:23,720 yeah that's that's correct. Okay. Thank 674 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,600 you. That is all I have for that page. 675 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,120 Mr. Chairman. All right. Anyone else on 676 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960 this topic? 677 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,480 We'll go on next then to property 678 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,559 casualty insurance. 679 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:37,679 Mr. Chairman, if if I might ask um what 680 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:39,919 what's left on the list? I have several 681 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:41,440 department heads here and I just want to 682 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,200 see which ones we can Sure. So we have 683 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,159 mayor, finance, uh general fund revenue, 684 00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:48,000 debt service, 685 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,120 uh contingency. Okay. And then we have a 686 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,039 general question about the telephones. 687 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:54,360 So 688 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,799 yeah, it looks like recreation and 689 00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,799 engineering can leave. Yes. Yep. I think 690 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,240 we're all set. Thank you so much. Thank 691 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:06,430 you. Appreciate uh appreciate your 692 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,399 attendance. Next, now we're on property 693 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:17,190 casualty. Council Tat. 694 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,950 Okay. So, page 695 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,960 29. So, this I'm I'm assuming I mean 696 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,320 this is what it is, right? The insurance 697 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,480 bill comes and there's not much we can 698 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,240 do about this. I'm assuming. Correct. 699 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,919 So, what you're looking at is the 700 00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:36,159 projected premiums for the insurance 701 00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:39,279 policies the the town has. Okay. So, we 702 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:40,399 don't have them yet. This is our 703 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:42,320 estimate of what they're going to be. 704 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640 No, we don't receive the actual uh 705 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,200 premium invoices until July 1st. We're 706 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,120 currently in the renewal cycle uh 707 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,559 filling out our applications for 708 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,720 renewal. Okay. And then have in the 709 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,559 past, do you know historically have we 710 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,240 usually been pretty close to our 711 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,200 projections? Are we usually over? Uh we 712 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,960 there have been years where the 713 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,480 projections um have been slightly higher 714 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,720 than the actual premiums. Okay. Uh but 715 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760 again, we're projecting these several 716 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,080 months before the actual renewal data 717 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,360 goes in. So there's a lot of factors 718 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,520 that are involved in the actual renewal 719 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,360 that would ultimately present with the 720 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,559 premium. Okay. And my only other 721 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:21,960 question on 722 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,630 here 723 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,679 the I have a couple actually the 724 00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:29,039 insurance deductible. So I noticed a 725 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,360 couple departments have their own uh 726 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,279 line item for that. Like last night we 727 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,919 saw I think um FIRE had a $10,000 728 00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:37,679 deductible listed in theirs. So what 729 00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:39,760 does this what is the difference between 730 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,720 this is that um how does that work? 731 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,760 Basically who who is in this 50,000. So 732 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,279 back in 2004 uh my office crafted a 733 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:51,600 policy called a cost allocation program 734 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,840 and what that did was it took the total 735 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,000 premium that I budgeted for and spread 736 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 it out amongst the departments so that 737 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,760 departments had some accountability for 738 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,720 that line item. Uh so what this 739 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,559 represents is any department that's not 740 00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:06,320 covered under the cost allocation 741 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,360 program and or just general policies 742 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,200 that we don't allocate out to the 743 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,279 specific departments. Okay, that's 744 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:14,720 great. I like that that that's split out 745 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,679 like that because I think it's more 746 00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:17,559 reflective of each department's budget. 747 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,320 So that's good. My only other question, 748 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,640 I notice here that um board of ed 749 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,559 is 750 00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:28,559 877,570 and that's in the general 751 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,159 government budget, not in the board of 752 00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:33,120 ed budget. Is that typical that that 753 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,799 would appear here? I'm just there's a 754 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,640 there's several things I think we 755 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,080 already mentioned one before where it's 756 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,840 board of ed and it's in the general 757 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,000 government budget. Um so it's kind of 758 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,760 hard to get a picture of if I'm trying 759 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,120 to look at board of ed spending and then 760 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:45,880 there's 761 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,240 $877,000 here. That's obviously a large 762 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,399 amount of money. That's their 763 00:32:50,399 --> 00:32:52,159 expenditure. So, is the town paying that 764 00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:53,799 for the board of ed? Yeah. So, 765 00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,240 historically, uh, which as long as I've 766 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880 been here and predates me, the town has 767 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,840 always budgeted for that. Uh, and we do 768 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,240 pay those bills directly. We ultimately 769 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,440 control that money. The board of 770 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,039 education does not. Okay. And the reason 771 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:10,799 for that is just historically that's 772 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,320 what we've always done. The previous 773 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,000 administration had decided that's how 774 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,679 they wanted to carry that money. Okay. 775 00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:18,080 Uh so that's always resided uh on my 776 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,799 side of the uh the ledger. Okay. Would 777 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:22,240 you have an issue with that going to the 778 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,159 board of ed side or Yes, you would. 779 00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:25,799 Okay. And what would that reason be? 780 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:28,960 Well, the overall control. So if they 781 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,559 have a budgeted number, they can budget 782 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,559 a number, but they're not obligated to 783 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,039 pay that premium. Correct. Okay. So this 784 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,039 way here we we ensure that the bills get 785 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,679 paid and uh ultimately the control lies 786 00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:41,600 with one department that can oversee the 787 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,600 entire program. Understood. Makes sense. 788 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,600 Thank you. Uh that is all I have Mr. 789 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,960 Chairman. Any other questions on this 790 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,600 item? Mr. Shriber, I just have a general 791 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,760 question for you. So the obviously the 792 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,600 property casualty like market is is 793 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,320 pretty uh rough right now and we've seen 794 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,840 some precipitous increases over the next 795 00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,600 few years. Do you have any idea from the 796 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,279 consultant if we expect to see this turn 797 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:04,480 around at any point? Um so we're in 798 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,880 constant contact with them in regards I 799 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,560 don't think that people understand that 800 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,399 the external market forces that are in 801 00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:12,320 the entire industry do affect us 802 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,440 locally. Uh and so we try to mitigate 803 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,520 that with a number of different ways uh 804 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,440 through loss control programs or 805 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,599 different programs. Um they do market 806 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,839 the program vastly for us to see if we 807 00:34:23,839 --> 00:34:25,839 can take advantage of any of that. Uh 808 00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:27,679 and so we are always looking at 809 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,599 different ways of possibly reducing 810 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,320 those increases um as they come through. 811 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,079 Um you know again adding particular 812 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,679 buildings. We did add two properties to 813 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,320 the schedule this year. Uh so that in in 814 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,240 itself will increase the you know the 815 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,200 property line item. So, you know, and 816 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,399 I'm not I'm not real familiar with 817 00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:46,800 commercial property. Um, if we have 818 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,480 major renovation projects and buildings, 819 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,399 does that potentially improve our lot 820 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:54,560 with insurance? So, it's a double-edged 821 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,920 sword because we routinely review the 822 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,520 actual valuation of the buildings to 823 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,359 make sure that we are insuring them to 824 00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:04,079 the proper level. So, when they are 825 00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,960 redone, that does increase some 826 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,599 potential for their value to increase, 827 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,720 right? Uh, so we we pull it's a poolled 828 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,960 number that we use for our property. So, 829 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,200 and that includes the utilities as well. 830 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,200 Okay. Thank you very much, Council Tata. 831 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,640 I'm sorry, one more thing. I just 832 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,200 thought of 833 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,680 the I'm assuming we ensure all buildings 834 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,839 in town that we own despite who's 835 00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:31,200 occupying the buildings. Correct. 836 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,160 Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 837 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,320 Thank you. Um, thank you very much, 838 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,720 gentlemen. 839 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,400 Do you have any other questions for me? 840 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,960 Uh so the contingency. Yep. Did you have 841 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,720 any I believe there items in the 842 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:52,310 contingency related to HR 843 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,800 and if not then then we're all set. Hang 844 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:02,870 on just a second. Ch. 845 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,160 Mr. Chairman. Um, we have the tax 846 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,880 assessor here as well and I'm just 847 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,359 wondering if there would be any 848 00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:12,800 questions with respect to his 849 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,040 department. I don't see anything on the 850 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,240 agenda that would indicate that. Uh, 851 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:17,440 does anyone have questions for the tax 852 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,520 assessor? 853 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,950 Okay. Thank you very much. 854 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,560 And my questions here are not Mr. H or 855 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,480 Okay. So, none of the the questions are 856 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,760 related to the your department. So, 857 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,040 thank you very much. Thank you. Thank 858 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,069 you. Appreciate it. 859 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:41,280 All right. So, next uh we'll move on to 860 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,390 contingency. 861 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,320 Councelor T. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 862 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,710 So, this is page 64. 863 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:53,640 Um 864 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,640 the well first the first thing I noticed 865 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,040 was that we don't have numbers for 866 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,280 uh expended of fiscal year ended 630 867 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,920 24 or expended uh 25. I'm not sure was 868 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,920 there a reason that wasn't there? 869 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,400 Contingency by nature is not spent. It 870 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:13,920 gets transferred to the appropriate 871 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,560 account. Okay. So, if I wanted to look 872 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,160 back and see last year we put in I let's 873 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,680 just say we put in $500,000 and we ended 874 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,000 up transferring out $300,000 during the 875 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,359 year, we would have had 200,000 left. 876 00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:32,400 How would I find out how much we used of 877 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,040 that? On the on the the monthly reports 878 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,599 I give you, if you look at the 879 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,320 contingency line item, the budget will 880 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,480 be reduced, but it it will never be 881 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,200 spent. You can't spend it at a 882 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,320 contingency. It has to go to the proper 883 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,560 account. 884 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,240 Right. So there so there's transfers out 885 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,000 of contingency into whatever account we 886 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,760 Correct. Correct. So how would I know 887 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,800 then what was transferred out of that 888 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,920 account in a in a year? 889 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,520 Take the original budget and subtract 890 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,000 out the revised budget. 891 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,079 So can we can I would you be able to get 892 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,400 me those that number? I I think what I'm 893 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,320 trying to see it say is if we let's say 894 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,320 in the budget last year we said $500,000 895 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,880 of contingency and then we didn't spend 896 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,240 any of that but it went back to the 897 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,720 general fund then I'm I'm trying to see 898 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,880 how much historically we've spent of 899 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,359 that. Well wait if I can interject for a 900 00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:26,880 second. So if you look at our budgets 901 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,720 though every month we have transfers for 902 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:29,839 different things. And if you look at 903 00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:31,280 especially the June budgets there's a 904 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,040 lot of transfers in and out of 905 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,400 contingency because we get revenue from 906 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,520 other places that end up going into 907 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,680 conting contingency. Correct. No, 908 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,000 revenue doesn't go into contingency. I I 909 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,079 can get you in the numbers. Do you want 910 00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,480 to know what was left in contingency for 911 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,359 how many years? 912 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,280 Would five years be asking too much? 913 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,040 Nope. That's fine. So, 914 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,359 one right in the current year though, 915 00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:57,599 you're not going to see money out of the 916 00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:59,680 acred wages for a reason and you're 917 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,119 going to there's transfer is going to be 918 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:02,960 coming soon. 919 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,119 So, we had projected settled contracts 920 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,200 last year. So, the the money wasn't in 921 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,280 the departments. We've got to move that 922 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,440 money in. Yes. I do not do that right 923 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,359 away because if the department doesn't 924 00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:16,720 need the money and I put the money in 925 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,960 there, then they start going, "Oh, my 926 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,839 salary line has x amount of money." Then 927 00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:23,359 they start trying to transfer it out and 928 00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:27,359 do other stuff. So, that's probably the 929 00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:29,599 first meeting in May. Okay. Or maybe 930 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,440 I'll wait till the second meeting in May 931 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,720 because the first meeting in May is 932 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,720 probably going to be the budget. We'll 933 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,320 make those transfers. But there is 934 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,640 salary that currently has to get moved 935 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,960 from contingency into the proper line 936 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,640 items. Okay, that makes sense. And if 937 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,000 even if when you give me the numbers, if 938 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,359 you don't want to include the current 939 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:48,800 year, that's fine. I'm just kind of 940 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,119 looking for a history. So that makes 941 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,599 sense. 942 00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,960 So my next question, which you kind of 943 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,640 just brought up, so there's two lines 944 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,079 that make up contingency. There's the 945 00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,000 general purposes and then there's the 946 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,119 acred expenses. Um the acred expenses 947 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:07,839 I'm assuming is that's HRs. That's HR. But that's what you were just 948 00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:10,000 saying. Those are the wages contract. 949 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,160 Without getting into contractual, 950 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,079 you know, they're negotiating these 951 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:19,359 contracts. So there's two contracts out 952 00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:24,240 that are they're out as of 6:30 20. So 953 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,560 there's a full year they projected when 954 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,200 it when this contract settled the year 955 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,320 we're in is a full year of raises and 956 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,119 then now you have to do the next year 957 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,359 because so it's so that's why that 958 00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:44,720 number is so high is it's two years of these two contracts. So, and to be 959 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,000 honest with you, the the number was 960 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,320 higher and 961 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,520 I kind of asked, you know, we we kind of 962 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,599 trimmed it down a little bit. So, 963 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:58,240 hopefully that is enough. Okay. And that 964 00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,599 you're specifically speaking to line 965 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,319 58821, right? So, the 1.2 million. Okay. 966 00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:04,480 You know that, you know, Jim's 967 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,800 calculations were a little bit higher 968 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,880 than that. And, you know, I said we 969 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,800 can't we can't do that. We got to go 970 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,040 let's go with this number. So fingers 971 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,240 crossed. Okay. And then the other one, 972 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:18,960 you know, we're at a $270 million bud 973 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,319 budget. We had $300,000 to adjust on the 974 00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:25,359 fly. That's not very high. 975 00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:28,880 Okay, that's all I have. Thank you. 976 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,839 Anyone else on this topic? 977 00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:47,510 Okay, moving on to Mayor 978 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:57,589 council. 979 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,800 Sorry, that's right. I assumed. Uh, 980 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,319 thank you. Evening again, Mr. Mayor. The 981 00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:06,000 part-time 982 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,960 um looks like there's a new part-time 983 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,720 position. Can you just explain what that 984 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,760 position is? 985 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,440 that the the one at the bottom of the 986 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,079 um on page 15 it shows part-time and 987 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,480 then department request one mayor one 988 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,920 and then it looks like on the following 989 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,280 page it's the yeah it looks like it's 990 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,720 the bottom one. It just says part-time. 991 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,359 So, we have a part-time employee who 992 00:42:34,359 --> 00:42:38,839 um is working on clearing out our 993 00:42:38,839 --> 00:42:41,560 archives. 994 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,190 Um and 995 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,800 um she does cover phones at times if 996 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,359 both of the administrative aid and the 997 00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:56,720 secretary are not in the office. 998 00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:59,119 Um she does work similar work for other 999 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:02,400 departments in terms of uh going through 1000 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,000 uh there's a fair amount of purging to 1001 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,920 be done. There's a lot of paper that 1002 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,720 dates back to my birth. 1003 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:13,520 Um and she's really 1004 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:17,359 um done quite a bit in terms of purging 1005 00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:21,079 what can be purged and 1006 00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:25,119 um in some other or organizational 1007 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,839 functions that really um they've helped 1008 00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:30,480 us. They've helped program planning um I 1009 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,160 think she spent some time in the clerk's 1010 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,920 office with a project. So, she does she 1011 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,800 does float a bit, but she stops into our 1012 00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,720 office on the way in every morning that 1013 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,960 she works. Okay. And this is a this is a 1014 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,480 scheduled employee that there's set 1015 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,040 hours. It's a Yes. schedule. Okay. And 1016 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,880 then you anticipate this being a a 1017 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,240 permanent part-time employee. The end of 1018 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:53,240 the 1019 00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:57,790 work is probably 1020 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,000 um will probably take us through next 1021 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,200 year. Okay. All right. 1022 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,880 Um, just while we're on that page, I 1023 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,599 just wanted to give 1024 00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,839 um just kind of a a thanks to to you, 1025 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:12,640 but also to um your office. Your office 1026 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,040 staff has been has been great. So, um 1027 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,839 very efficient and um I know we you 1028 00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:19,119 know, I end up kind of bothering them 1029 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,040 sometimes for stuff, but they've been phenomenal. 1030 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,599 So um so I I'll take the opportunity to 1031 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,440 say that we are 1032 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,119 three three people in that office new to 1033 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,040 our positions. Um and while Corey had 1034 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,440 been the executive secretary 1035 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,319 uh prior to becoming administrative aid, 1036 00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:43,319 she had only been there a few years. Um, 1037 00:44:43,319 --> 00:44:46,560 so all things considered, 1038 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,280 um, the 1039 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,800 relative I'm not going to say lack, but 1040 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,800 potential for a gap of institutional 1041 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,599 knowledge, um, I I think we're doing 1042 00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,440 pretty well, and I 1043 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,960 I'm I'm not one to brag, but I'm pleased 1044 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,800 with the hires. Yeah. No, absolutely. 1045 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,880 And Corey specifically has been just 1046 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,400 very efficient, gets back to me right 1047 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,520 away. Um, pleasant, friendly. So, she's 1048 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,520 you have you have great staff in there. 1049 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,069 [Music] 1050 00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:17,599 Um, oh, the office furniture. So, I know 1051 00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:19,760 there's nothing in this budget, but that 1052 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,280 um that has all been purchased, 1053 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,760 expended. That's all. Um, I mean, it 1054 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,760 looks great. I've been in there. Um, 1055 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,720 well, thank you. Um, we we still have 1056 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,760 some furniture that that dates back to 1057 00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,200 the 80s. Um, you know, I think the the 1058 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,000 wooden file cabinets um in the mayor's 1059 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,359 office proper. Um, but you know, we we 1060 00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:44,160 replaced some chipboard furniture that 1061 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,000 really was at the end of its useful 1062 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,960 life. Yeah. Um, I think I think our 1063 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,079 conference table got repurposed 1064 00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:55,760 somewhere. Um, but yeah, no, the the 1065 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,359 furniture that was replaced was in need 1066 00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:00,480 of replacing. The the desk that I sit at 1067 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,720 um I couldn't get all the drawers to 1068 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:06,319 work. Yeah. So, and my it was Yeah. 1069 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:08,319 It was time. Um, but that but that 1070 00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:10,800 was last year. That money's all Yeah, 1071 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,760 we're not we don't foresee that type of 1072 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,560 uh replacement anytime soon. Great. 1073 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,560 Okay, those were the only questions I 1074 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,680 had. Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. 1075 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,119 Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Anyone else on 1076 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,200 this topic? 1077 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,560 Before we move on, I'd also like to say 1078 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,319 Corey and Dawn, your office have been 1079 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:29,440 fantastic to work with. Uh just super 1080 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,920 nice people, great attitudes, and uh 1081 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,200 very efficient. So now I'll find out if 1082 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,640 Corey watches the meeting because she'll 1083 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,760 have to mention or shout it. 1084 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,160 Thanks for saying that. And in case they 1085 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,520 didn't watch, I will make sure to let 1086 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,680 them know. All right. Thank you, Mayor. 1087 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:51,030 Um, moving on to uh finance. 1088 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,240 Council Tata. Yes. I'm just going to 1089 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,359 believe it's page 20. Yes. Well, it's a 1090 00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:59,400 lot of pages, but it starts on 1091 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,359 20. All right. I'm actually going to 1092 00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:06,230 start on page 21. 1093 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,119 Uh line 1094 00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:10,240 566000. I feel like I asked about this 1095 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,400 every year, but then it looks like it 1096 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,000 went away for a few years, but now it's 1097 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,160 back. So microfilming is So it 1098 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,119 is, believe it or not, through after 1099 00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,680 we're done paying all the bills, it's 1100 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:31,040 about 15 bankers boxes like this. So 1101 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,240 we're running out of room. So to get rid 1102 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,240 of them, I we need to microphone because 1103 00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,440 I have to save them. So we were caught 1104 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,079 up and then we're a little behind. So 1105 00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:43,440 I'm hoping this will take care of two 1106 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,560 years of it. Okay. In the the micro 1107 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:48,079 film, it's not really microf filming. 1108 00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,480 They they put it on a fl, you know, a 1109 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,880 flash drive that Okay. That's I was just 1110 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,280 going to ask. It's not actually 1111 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,079 microfilm. Okay. All right. We're That's 1112 00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:57,680 just what they call line. That was my 1113 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,440 next question. All right. 1114 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,160 um line 56720 purchase services data 1115 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,680 process. So it looks like you had kind 1116 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,280 of a a somewhat large expenditure there 1117 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,920 but then not this year is that so let me 1118 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,079 explain how that works. 1119 00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:16,680 So as they they said last night that 1120 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:21,160 it people were moved into the IT budget. 1121 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,040 So it used to work in reverse. They were 1122 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,880 our IT people. So we would have to pay 1123 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,720 the electric division for that through 1124 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,119 proportionate charges. So somehow I was 1125 00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,599 the lucky individual who who paid for 1126 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,640 that. So that now kind of got reversed. 1127 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,160 We're not paying for them anymore. We're 1128 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,720 charging them. Okay. So I look like a 1129 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:46,720 hero because my budget went down hero. 1130 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,800 All right. So yeah, I understand. So 1131 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:55,910 that works. um 1132 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,079 uh operating expenses line 1133 00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:03,119 58735. So it looks like it's a little 1134 00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:05,520 your your current expenditure seems 1135 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,520 fairly low, but I I know that certainly 1136 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:08,960 could be because there's things that are 1137 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,960 not split out equally over 12 months. Is 1138 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,440 that what's happening there? So that 1139 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,680 that's you know I've got four divisions 1140 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,079 in the mail room. So that that's you 1141 00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:21,160 know the mail mail room machines are 1142 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,000 28,000 postage for the tax bills there's 1143 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,800 bank courier fees there's supplies you 1144 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,160 know and then just you know 1145 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,720 miscellaneous stuff but and everything 1146 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:32,720 is going up 1147 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,160 so you know price of stamps went up all 1148 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,200 materials are going up but um what we 1149 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,880 normally would do is you know at the end 1150 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,680 of the year if there's money in there 1151 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,920 we'll we'll pay for we'll load up the 1152 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,680 postage machine. Okay, got it. So, um, 1153 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:52,640 basically, so when we look at the 1154 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,160 expended column, I mean this, for lack 1155 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:55,520 of a better terms, you're basically on a 1156 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,880 cash basis, that's like what's actually 1157 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,280 expended as of that point in that 1158 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,079 column. So, if a if a major bill comes 1159 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,359 in um in May, that's going to that would 1160 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:09,280 be reflected later on. Correct. And that 1161 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,200 we're not that the tax bailing of the 1162 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,720 tax bills is going to happen in June. 1163 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,720 Yeah. So, that's going to be a big bill. 1164 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:18,309 Okay, that makes sense. 1165 00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:20,079 the I know we've been talking about 1166 00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:22,200 direct deposit and online bill pay is 1167 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,599 coming. Do you know as of yet is that 1168 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,000 going to result in efficiencies in your 1169 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,079 office or or not your office but in the 1170 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:31,839 finance department as a whole where we 1171 00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:33,359 would be able to save positions because 1172 00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:36,000 I'm think I'm just thinking that there's 1173 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,079 somebody reconciling hundreds of 1174 00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:39,359 paychecks every week and things like 1175 00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:40,720 that where it might be more efficient. 1176 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,160 Is that anything you foresee happening 1177 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,119 in the coming year? That would be the hope not the coming year. I our 1178 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:49,520 office is so busy right now with various 1179 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,280 projects that I can't I would love to 1180 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,800 snap my fingers and make everything 1181 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,800 happen. It's just physically impossible. 1182 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,520 It's the it's the same employees that 1183 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,319 are doing it. So right 1184 00:51:03,319 --> 00:51:06,240 now will invoice cloud make it more 1185 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:07,880 efficient eventually. 1186 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,960 Yes. But the stuff still needs to be 1187 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,720 reconciled. 1188 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:14,119 So 1189 00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:18,559 reconciling payroll checks is really not a big deal. The bank does that for 1190 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,720 you. They, you know, they send us a 1191 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,880 file. Okay. 1192 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,400 Our goal is to to get to direct deposit, 1193 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,559 but I've got my I've only got two 1194 00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,000 payroll people and they have to crank 1195 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,160 out a weekly payroll every week and 1196 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,079 they're working on some other projects 1197 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:38,400 right now. So, my goal is to at least 1198 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:39,400 get the 1199 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,839 pensioners soon and then we'll we'll go 1200 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:42,520 from 1201 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,520 there. Okay. But, um I would think it's 1202 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,680 going to take a couple years because, 1203 00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:48,359 you 1204 00:51:48,359 --> 00:51:51,599 know, just invoice cloud, you know, 1205 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,680 hopefully it goes live and we we do it, 1206 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,200 but not everyone's going to use it. So, 1207 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,319 until you've 1208 00:51:59,319 --> 00:52:04,079 got until it completely shifts, it's the same amount of work. It's 1209 00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:05,440 actually we're adding more work because 1210 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,599 instead of just doing what we normally 1211 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,920 do now the money is coming 1212 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:11,440 electronically but we still have to make 1213 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:12,880 sure it hits the right accounts and gets 1214 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,800 posted properly. So it's still the same 1215 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,599 amount of work. It's just a different 1216 00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:20,670 format. But I mean if 1217 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,040 they're I'm not going to have people sit 1218 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,119 there doing nothing. We will reprogram 1219 00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,640 them or you know you know we'll figure 1220 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,240 something out. 1221 00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,480 Okay. And then I apologize if you've 1222 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,680 already answered this. I haven't gone 1223 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,760 through the emails yet, but um open 1224 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,680 positions. There's 1225 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,119 if you already answered it, I I can look 1226 00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:44,400 through my email. I don't need you. I 1227 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,640 don't mind answering it. Okay. 1228 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,559 So, I have one open position because 1229 00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,319 today was her last day. Okay. 1230 00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:57,119 So, I had one I have one in tax, but 1231 00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:58,319 we've already gone through the whole 1232 00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:01,119 process and she's walking, you know, on 1233 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,000 May 22nd. that she's coming in. Okay. 1234 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,319 So, I do have money in this budget for 1235 00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:11,480 that position. I did not start the 1236 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,280 process. I don't want to give it up yet, 1237 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,119 but I'm hoping with some of the 1238 00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:18,440 efficiencies 1239 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,359 with that if we roll it out to the 1240 00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:23,680 departments that maybe this position 1241 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,400 won't be needed. But as of now, that's 1242 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,559 the only one I have open. Just the one. 1243 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,880 It's funded but I did not start the 1244 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,920 process yet. Okay, great. Thank you. 1245 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,599 That is all I have. Thank you, Mr. 1246 00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,280 Chairman. Thank you. Anyone else on this 1247 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,040 topic? 1248 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,270 Moving on to general fund revenue. 1249 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,760 Can we do debt service first? Moving on 1250 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,559 to debt service before we before we 1251 00:53:48,559 --> 00:54:19,109 switch gears. 1252 00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:26,390 All right. Sorry. It says uh page 22. 1253 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,839 So, my question here, and I think I I 1254 00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:31,280 think I've seen it on the the following 1255 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,160 pages, but the new police department 1256 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,280 bonding that's um I'm assuming that's 1257 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,599 now in reflected in this budget. And 1258 00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,480 about how much is that annually? 1259 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,200 All right. So, I kind of figured that's 1260 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,680 what your question was going to be. 1261 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:54,109 So, so far we've bonded 1262 00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:55,920 23,674,074 for the police station 1263 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,559 project. We still have to bond the rest 1264 00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:02,960 of it, which hopefully soon. I keep 1265 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,200 keeps getting pushed down a little bit. 1266 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,559 So, that's how much we've bonded. So in 1267 00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,839 these numbers 1268 00:55:10,839 --> 00:55:15,319 here 1.1 uh so we we bonded 1269 00:55:15,319 --> 00:55:18,480 two two amount uh two times so one was a 1270 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,119 big amount one was a little bit combined 1271 00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,880 in the principal portion of this one 1272 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,319 183 is attributed to the new police 1273 00:55:29,319 --> 00:55:33,950 station and for interest 1274 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,200 $927,060 is in the the interest line. 1275 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,280 Okay. And that is only for what was 1276 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,960 what's already been bonded. Correct. 1277 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:44,319 So if we if we do more bonding 1278 00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:46,880 and then Well, we have to do more. Yeah. 1279 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,799 So when we do the more bonding to pay 1280 00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:51,680 the bills, it's did we budget for that 1281 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,520 in here? No. I 1282 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:59,549 estimated in my numbers. I 1283 00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,720 took what I know that we have to pay. 1284 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:07,200 Mhm. And I'm assume so I estimated that 1285 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,200 when I 1286 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,040 bond I was going to do $13 million which 1287 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,960 would be the police station I think one 1288 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,960 of the boilers and the four Fairfield 1289 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,640 Boulevard. 1290 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,880 So I just so I estimated if I do $13 1291 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,640 million at 20 years that'd be 650,000. 1292 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,599 So, I've added 650,000 into what I know 1293 00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,880 we have to pay. Okay, great. I that's basically what I was getting. I 1294 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,720 want to make sure that that's um and 1295 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:34,400 then I for interest I did the same 1296 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,799 thing. I did the 13 million times, you 1297 00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:43,440 know, I just used 4% and I added that to what is known. Okay. And then the 250 1298 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,240 in the the new debt financing, that's 1299 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,799 kind of if I'm off, that's where I would 1300 00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:50,319 go to take that money. Okay, that makes 1301 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,720 And I can also use that money for, you 1302 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:56,240 know, if something came up, we could 1303 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:58,880 transfer that somewhere else to to pay 1304 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,520 for something an emergency instead of 1305 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,880 using debt for it. Yep. Got it. So 1306 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,280 basically the the so the police 1307 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,559 station without the additional bond we 1308 00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:14,559 still need to do is it's over $2 million 1309 00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,359 a year principal and interest just where 1310 00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:18,880 we stand right now. And we still have to 1311 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,280 issue how many how much more in bonds? 1312 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,559 13 million. So premium gets involved. So 1313 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:25,760 I would say it's probably going to be 1314 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,240 around 11 12 million. Okay. So that's um 1315 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:31,760 I just think it's an important number to 1316 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,280 note for we're look I know we're looking 1317 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,760 at projects 1318 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,359 um 1319 00:57:36,359 --> 00:57:38,319 this you know there's been a lot of talk 1320 00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,240 of bonding but that's that's adding a 1321 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,880 large amount to our um that's going to 1322 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,440 be correct. So 1323 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:48,640 bonding bonding spreads the expenditure 1324 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,119 over the 20 years, but it does cost more 1325 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:52,240 because you got to pay the interest. 1326 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,280 Yeah, exactly. But but it it doesn't 1327 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,480 create the spikes. So and you know, we 1328 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,359 do not like to bond rolling stock 1329 00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:03,839 because it doesn't last that long. So 1330 00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:06,160 you you're paying for it when it's out 1331 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,760 of service. Makes sense. Okay, that was 1332 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,319 what I had on police. And 1333 00:58:11,319 --> 00:58:15,440 then out of this page, so the the grand 1334 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,520 total that we we the taxpayers pay um in 1335 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,640 bonding, uh the proposed 1336 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,920 is a little under $6.7 million per year. 1337 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,000 Do you know about how much of that is 1338 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,760 board of ed bonding? Because I assume 1339 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,359 that's included in this as well, 1340 00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:51,920 correct? Yeah, actually if you go to the board of ed, you go to 1341 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,670 page 1342 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,440 66, there's a memorandum page there. I'm 1343 00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,640 sorry, I'm probably not talking to the 1344 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,480 mic. There's a memorandum page there 1345 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,160 that shows what the general government 1346 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,920 side is paying on behalf of the board of 1347 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,950 ed. 1348 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:10,559 Oh, perfect. And then that that pension 1349 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:11,440 that we were talking about before, 1350 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,119 that's in there, too. Correct. 1351 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:16,400 Actually, I have this page highlighted 1352 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,440 and I forgot it was here. So, thank you. 1353 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,799 Um, okay. So, total in the general 1354 00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:23,119 government budget that belongs to board 1355 00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:26,160 of ed, the prop in the proposed budget 1356 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:30,799 is $6.7 million. Correct. Okay. 1357 00:59:30,799 --> 00:59:32,720 And that just for the benefit of anyone 1358 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,040 listening, that's made up of principle 1359 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,960 on bonds for the schools, interest on 1360 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,359 bonds for the schools, uh the 1361 00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:41,040 non-certified pension contribution, 1362 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,960 which we were discussing earlier, 1363 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,640 property and casualty insurance we 1364 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,559 discussed earlier, and the school 1365 00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:48,160 resource officers, which I believe are 1366 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,280 paid through the police department 1367 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,359 budget. Correct. Okay. So, that's what 1368 00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:53,440 makes up that $6.7 million that's board 1369 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,359 of ed spending, but that's paid from the 1370 00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:57,760 general government budget. All right. 1371 00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,079 Thank you very much for that. Uh that 1372 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,480 was all I have for debt service. Thank 1373 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:03,839 you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. Satan. 1374 01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:05,240 Appreciate it. Anyone else on this 1375 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,720 topic? And moving on to 1376 01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,960 uh general fund 1377 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:16,400 revenue. Councelor Tata. 1378 01:00:16,410 --> 01:00:17,839 [Applause] 1379 01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:30,710 So I believe this is pages 9 through 12. 1380 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,520 Okay. So, starting on page nine, there's 1381 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,839 uh page nine, section two, Roman numeral 1382 01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:37,960 2. There's pilots and other 1383 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,400 taxes. Um, I just want to kind of go 1384 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,079 through these. I think most of them are 1385 01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:43,680 self-explanatory, but I just want to 1386 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:44,960 make sure I understand what they all 1387 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,960 are. So, um, there's a pilot for 1388 01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,520 McKenna, Ashler. Uh, the Coanta one is 1389 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,599 done now. That's out of there. Yeah, I 1390 01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:54,960 should have taken that line out. That's 1391 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,640 No, that's okay. I Yeah, I think they 1392 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,040 usually linger for a few years, right? 1393 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,069 Um, 1394 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:03,599 looks like Well, I I guess let me lump 1395 01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:06,319 them. So, Mechanicore, Olberg Heights. 1396 01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:07,839 Um, there's there's housing ones in 1397 01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:10,480 there that they pay a pilot because is 1398 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,160 that paid through the state? Who's 1399 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,280 paying that? It's kind of tied 1400 01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:20,240 to the water and sewer. So, there there 1401 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,440 is a formula for that. Okay. But they're 1402 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,440 those are housing those are those it's 1403 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,359 the housing authority. Okay. Instead of 1404 01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:30,319 we don't tax them. So it's a calculated 1405 01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:32,799 pilot is the reason we don't tax them is 1406 01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:35,599 because it's um those are town owned or 1407 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:37,200 no? Are those are owned by the housing 1408 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,119 authority? 1409 01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:40,640 I believe they're owned by the housing 1410 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,200 authority. Okay. But I'm not 100% sure 1411 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,599 on that one. Okay. 1412 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:49,680 Um, so basically if we did charge tax, 1413 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:52,160 who would I just because I'm trying to 1414 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,359 wonder I'm trying to figure out the 1415 01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:55,680 history of why there is no tax is that 1416 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,119 if the housing authority, which is the 1417 01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,119 town owns them, then the town would 1418 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:00,640 basically be paying it, taking money 1419 01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,160 from itself to give back to itself. Is 1420 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,720 that the rationale there? 1421 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,640 Uh, it's before, you know, before my 1422 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,960 time, but I believe it's something in 1423 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,440 that that line. that it's a nonprofit, 1424 01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:15,839 so you you can't tax them, but they 1425 01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:18,640 agree to give us a payment. What we're 1426 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,040 learning, um, so we've been approached, 1427 01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,440 uh, with respect to repurposing the old 1428 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,359 Genesis property on Kraki, 1429 01:02:26,359 --> 01:02:28,799 um, what we're learning is that 1430 01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:30,319 typically with public housing or 1431 01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:33,359 low-income housing or variable income 1432 01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:37,520 housing, um, there's a a a pilot 1433 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,160 negotiated, uh, instead of the typical 1434 01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,480 assess tax formula. 1435 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,559 Okay. So, these were negotiated when 1436 01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,720 they were built there. There's a formula 1437 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,480 for the housing authority um pilot 1438 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,440 payments. Okay. There's an agreement uh 1439 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,200 in a formula. Okay. Understood. Um 1440 01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,799 Ashler Village, we know what that is. 1441 01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:01,200 That was because of a well, we we know 1442 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,319 the history there. Um Transco, that's 1443 01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:06,240 65,000. What is I'm not familiar with 1444 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:11,839 that. Transco is a power company. Okay. 1445 01:03:11,839 --> 01:03:14,960 So I D they 1446 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,280 I think it's plan the Pierce plan. Okay. 1447 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,069 Yes. Okay. I I know what that is. 1448 01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:25,839 Um there's a line item 41110 pilot for 1449 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,319 college and hospitals. We don't have 1450 01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:30,319 anything on that line item. Did Did we 1451 01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:35,599 at one point? Yes. So the state 1452 01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,680 used to break that out and now they just 1453 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,079 give us one amount which so that's in 1454 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:46,200 the So now all that that's part of the 1455 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,200 41114 the pilot state owned property 1456 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,720 they just give us that amount they don't 1457 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,520 break it out by whether it's schools or 1458 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,920 whatever they used to break it they used 1459 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,520 to say this is for schools this is for 1460 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,240 hospitals now they just say this is our 1461 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,079 you know they just give us one number So 1462 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,000 what comprises that? What are they 1463 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,480 paying us? That they that's just the 1464 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,359 state tells us that we don't know. They 1465 01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:12,720 that's what they their formula gives us. 1466 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,559 So is would that be basically in place 1467 01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,480 of so I know there's the state law that 1468 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,039 you can't charge um you know like for 1469 01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:22,640 educational or hospitals is does the state then give you money to 1470 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,240 offset that? Is that what that is? No, 1471 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,640 this is if the state buys property, so 1472 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,359 that's taking it off our tax roles, 1473 01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:32,640 they're they're they're supposed to give 1474 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,680 us money. They are 1475 01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,160 sorry, they are supposed to uh pay us 1476 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:40,240 for that, but then they don't, you know, 1477 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,400 they don't fund it. So, you know, when 1478 01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,480 it program first started, they would pay 1479 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,160 you 70% of it. Now, you're lucky if 1480 01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,680 they're paying you 30% of what they owe 1481 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,559 you. And it's it's a formula. So, you 1482 01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,480 know, when the governor's budget comes 1483 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,799 out, I get sent a page telling us what 1484 01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:57,280 the what the revenues are. Okay. But 1485 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,200 this isn't tied to specific properties 1486 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,760 though. It's It might be at the state 1487 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,119 level, but they don't give us that 1488 01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,119 information. They just tell us how much 1489 01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:06,880 we're getting. 1490 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,520 All right. That's That's interesting. 1491 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,440 All right. It's I mean, it's $57,000, so 1492 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,640 I'm not I'm not complaining. I would 1493 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,039 just love to know what the what the 1494 01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:16,559 justification of it is or how they're 1495 01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:22,720 coming to that. Um, it's kind of it's part of their formula grants that 1496 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,400 same thing with the ECS. It all comes, 1497 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,799 you know, that how I get the ECS number. 1498 01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:30,920 That's how I get this number. 1499 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,080 Okay. 1500 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,920 [Music] 1501 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:43,470 Um, just going through the list 1502 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:45,440 here. All right. I think that's all I 1503 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,720 have for that page. 1504 01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,119 on page 10, uh, line 1505 01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:54,240 44060. I believe I asked you this last 1506 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,760 year and I assume the list is the same, 1507 01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,039 but that's rent of town property. It 1508 01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,880 looks like our revenue is 1509 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,050 55,44. 1510 01:06:03,050 --> 01:06:04,520 [Music] 1511 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,799 Um, do you recall what properties that 1512 01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:10,160 is? I I know some we we let use 1513 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,520 buildings for That's the $4. That's the 1514 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,280 $4, correct? Yep. Um 1515 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,720 there's I can get you that information. 1516 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,640 Okay. I'm assuming it's the same list as 1517 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,520 last year, but it's two different It's 1518 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,599 two properties. 1519 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:26,520 So, 1520 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,880 um I can get you that. I don't know off 1521 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,240 the top. I appreciate that cuz I know 1522 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,920 the ones that we that we let use the 1523 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,280 properties. I know that the Scow and 1524 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,119 STEM building is one, correct? And 1525 01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:40,240 that's a nominal fee. And then uh the 1526 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,039 library. The library. Yep. 1527 01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:44,520 the senior 1528 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,839 center and a daycare. And which one? The 1529 01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:51,039 daycare. Oh, yes. Okay. Yep. Okay. Thank 1530 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:52,960 you. Yeah. If if you do have the the 1531 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,319 others, that would just be 1532 01:06:55,319 --> 01:06:56,920 helpful. 1533 01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,359 Uh the only other thing on that page I 1534 01:07:00,359 --> 01:07:04,880 noticed the bottom line uh total state 1535 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,920 grant and aid that went down by about 1536 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,200 what 1.2 million this year. 1537 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,599 So that's not a good thing. 1538 01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:17,119 So just another uh I just wanted to note 1539 01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:19,039 make a note of that that that's we lost 1540 01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:22,630 quite a bit there. 1541 01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,440 Uh on page 11. 1542 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,680 So that that difference is there's a 1543 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,559 municipal sharing grant. 1544 01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:32,359 Sometimes they fund it, sometimes they 1545 01:07:32,359 --> 01:07:38,799 don't. So in 6:30 2024 1546 01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:41,280 they they funded in in fiscal year end 1547 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,359 23 and 24 which we didn't budget for 1548 01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:48,559 when so when I was trying to make the 1549 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:49,799 budget for the 1550 01:07:49,799 --> 01:07:52,480 2425 talking to the CCM people without 1551 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,599 them telling me they you know wink wink 1552 01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,079 told us you know we're not you're not 1553 01:07:58,079 --> 01:07:59,920 getting that this year so that's why I 1554 01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,160 didn't fund it okay so 1555 01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,640 but so yeah we we got a bump for like 1556 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:11,599 two years but it's it's gone so It's, you know, it could come back and 1557 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:13,760 all the It'll be Yeah. Pleasant surprise 1558 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,960 if it does, but Okay. Um, on page 1559 01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,550 11, I 1560 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,080 don't I don't think I have questions on 1561 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:25,359 this page, but because we talked about 1562 01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:26,920 it last night already, but 1563 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:31,199 um I had just made note of the So, we 1564 01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:34,719 charge for certain services in town. Um, 1565 01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:36,480 and the ones that kind of stand out that 1566 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:37,400 were 1567 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:42,159 the the big ones were the ambulance. Um, 1568 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:44,239 so I I got good news on the ambulance. 1569 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,560 So I was talking to Chief Buck today and 1570 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,960 I didn't take into account that extra 1571 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,679 run that they added recently. So you 1572 01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:53,279 guys can probably bump that up about 1573 01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:57,440 $200,000. Perfect. Which 1574 01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:58,719 Yeah, he seemed to be alluding to that 1575 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:00,640 last night, too. So that's great. So, so 1576 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,040 the ambulance brings in 2.5 million in 1577 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,199 revenue that we can hopefully safely say 1578 01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:08,560 2.7 at this point. Correct. And then 1579 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,719 once we get better data, we'll hone that 1580 01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:14,400 in. And that's a net number. So, they 1581 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:15,319 might 1582 01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:20,000 bill 6 million, but the collections and 1583 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,159 stuff I I can't have the ins and outs on 1584 01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:25,040 the budget. So, we try to guess what's 1585 01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,799 the actual cash that's coming in. And 1586 01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:28,400 that's how we come up with that number 1587 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,400 because for on the accounting side when 1588 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,480 I book the receivable I debit the 1589 01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:34,960 accounts receivable and I credit 1590 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,319 deferred revenue. So it's a it's a wash. 1591 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,799 Yeah. Know so we we show that they owe 1592 01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:42,880 it to us but we also show that we don't 1593 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,880 have it. Yeah. So well looks I mean it 1594 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,480 looks like you're almost spot on if you 1595 01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:48,239 look at the prior the prior year and 1596 01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:49,440 then what you're where you are this 1597 01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:51,199 year. It looks like that'll probably be 1598 01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:53,600 about Yeah. We try you know your 1599 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:54,800 projection seems like it's accurate. 1600 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,400 back at, you know, three years of 1601 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,320 history and, you know, I, you know, for 1602 01:09:58,320 --> 01:09:59,600 the big numbers, I talk to the 1603 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:00,800 department heads and say, "Hey, do you 1604 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:02,480 know of any big projects? Should we bump 1605 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:05,280 this up or not?" And police, same thing. 1606 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:10,239 So, police brings in 7 Well, you're projecting or proposing 782. So, 1607 01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:15,199 that's the the police extra duty and the car rentals. Yep. And again, 1608 01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:16,480 that looks like you're pretty close to 1609 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,840 the That number came from them. Okay, 1610 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:23,280 perfect. Okay. Um, 1611 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,840 and then the I'll direct you while we're 1612 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,159 on this page. The there was a big jump 1613 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,560 in the proportionate charges. Where is 1614 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,800 that? I'm sorry. So that's uh Oh, the 1615 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,040 bottom of the page. Bottom. 1616 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,320 So what that is is that water electric 1617 01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:40,120 have to pay their 1618 01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,719 own they're supposed to pay everything 1619 01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:45,440 on their own dime. So any services that 1620 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:47,600 they use that we do we bill back to 1621 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,960 them. Mhm. So, this number really hasn't 1622 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,960 been tred up in about 15 years. So, the 1623 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,960 utilities asked us to to true it up and 1624 01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,080 I said, "You might not like the 1625 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,480 results." And it it worked out in our 1626 01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:03,760 favor. So, you know, probably 20 years 1627 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,679 ago, someone came up with a method to do 1628 01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:07,760 that and we probably been adding three 1629 01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,120 or 4% a year. We've got backup to these 1630 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,960 numbers and and we'll we'll continue to 1631 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,800 kind of true it up. So I'll give props 1632 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,640 to the deputy controller for for doing 1633 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,400 that project. So but so basically you 1634 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,440 know we've calculated of the human 1635 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:26,189 resources 1636 01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:28,040 department 1637 01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,600 26116 between water and electric they 1638 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:36,360 they've used they owe us that amount. 1639 01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:41,950 Okay, 1640 01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,640 great. That is all I have for that 1641 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:45,760 section. Thank you, Mr. Trman. Thank 1642 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,120 you, Mr. Senna. Anyone else in the 1643 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,920 general fund revenue? 1644 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,520 All right. And so the last one was a 1645 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,679 general question about the telephone. 1646 01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:56,080 Yes, that was also me. Um I don't know 1647 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,440 if Mr. Mayor, if Mr. I don't know if you 1648 01:11:57,440 --> 01:11:59,120 could uh speak to this, but I know we we 1649 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,239 spoke a little bit about it tomorrow 1650 01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,080 night, but it just seems to me as I'm 1651 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,440 going through each department that the 1652 01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,239 telephone line seems awfully high. Do 1653 01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:07,679 what is now I know there's certain 1654 01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:08,800 departments that have their own systems 1655 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,880 like we spoke about last night, but as a 1656 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,960 whole, it just seems like it's it just 1657 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,760 seems very high to me. Is there what's 1658 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,600 the system or what's is there a reason 1659 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,360 why or are we looking for a new system? 1660 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,560 Just any background you could give would 1661 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,159 be helpful. 1662 01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:25,199 So it's it's kind of helter skelter 1663 01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:28,320 because you're dealing with cell phones, 1664 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:33,600 right? So in an ideal world, we would 1665 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,920 and you know, we're probably I think 1666 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,640 we've had discussions on it is maybe we 1667 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:39,640 should try 1668 01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,360 to have one department re this in and go 1669 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,159 say, "Hey, we want 50 phones of Verizon 1670 01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:49,239 and try to do that." But 1671 01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:52,560 these the previous administration the 1672 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,000 department head would say hey I need a 1673 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,800 cell phone and then they get permission 1674 01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,239 to get a cell phone and they would just 1675 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:02,480 go do their own thing. So that's in that 1676 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:06,480 line. I think you've got the internet 1677 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:08,239 probably is in some of them. So like 1678 01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:10,960 when you're when you're looking at fire, 1679 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,280 they've 1680 01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:15,280 got devices out in the field that you 1681 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:17,679 know it's it's cellular service. You 1682 01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:20,440 know when you look at it telephone it's 1683 01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,719 because it's anything cellular is 1684 01:13:23,719 --> 01:13:27,840 getting build into that right so they 1685 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,400 have iPads in the field that that you 1686 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,480 know they need something to connect to. 1687 01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:34,880 So it's something we can look into. It's 1688 01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,880 kind of deceiving, but if we the more 1689 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:40,239 objects we add, the the more pages and 1690 01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:43,280 it's it's so maybe a better description, 1691 01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,000 but I do believe, you know, it's 1692 01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,800 probably going to be, you know, we will 1693 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,800 take a deep dive in at some point to try 1694 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,040 to see if we can get everybody on the 1695 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,440 same provider. 1696 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,120 Okay, that's help. I Yeah, I think the 1697 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,640 way you just explained it, maybe it's 1698 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,320 more of just the heading that's throwing 1699 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,080 me because I know even police last night 1700 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,400 were saying like his fiber runs are 1701 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,920 listed under telephone which is 1702 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,000 obviously very expensive but it's not 1703 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,920 really telephone, right? So, you know, 1704 01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,080 these objects in the budget are been 1705 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,640 here forever and times have changed. So, 1706 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,480 like microfilming. Yeah. All right. That makes me feel better though that 1707 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,880 it's not purely telephones in that line. 1708 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,800 Uh, thank you. That was that was my only 1709 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,360 question on that. 1710 01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,120 Anyone else on this one? 1711 01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,679 Oh, okay. All right. Uh, questions on 1712 01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:36,239 something else? Yeah. So, yeah, sorry. 1713 01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:37,840 And I didn't submit this before 1714 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,880 anything. Uh, government TV. Um, the 1715 01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,560 background behind the 1716 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,480 manager position. 1717 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:48,800 So, the the department has been 1718 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,560 operating on all part- timerrs. 1719 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:56,360 Um what we're finding is that while 1720 01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:00,320 um Mr. Kinesi uh is kind enough to be 1721 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,400 the lead in the department um he 1722 01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,600 really doesn't want this to be more than 1723 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,880 a part-time job. 1724 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,520 Um so and we have I think we have five 1725 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,719 or six part- timerrs uh at this point. 1726 01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:17,120 There is a lot of administration that's 1727 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,840 going by the wayside. um we actually 1728 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,560 have pure reporting obligations that we 1729 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,520 really need somebody with expertise 1730 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:30,640 um to comply with. And we are also um 1731 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,760 missing grant funding 1732 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,320 opportunities in 1733 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,400 um you know for we by way of example we 1734 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,440 were able to uh purchase the audio 1735 01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:42,960 equipment for the council chambers with 1736 01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,560 an ARPA grant. Um there are other pieces 1737 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,000 of equipment that uh need to be uh 1738 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,560 updated or upgraded or kept current with 1739 01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:56,080 for a variety of reasons. And in order 1740 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,239 to write those grant specifications, 1741 01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:00,480 while we do have a grant coordinator, 1742 01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:03,920 she does not have the specific expertise 1743 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,679 uh that you need to fill out the 1744 01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:07,360 technical portions of a grant 1745 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,719 application. 1746 01:16:09,719 --> 01:16:12,440 Um and 1747 01:16:12,440 --> 01:16:16,800 just by and large the the 1748 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:17,880 um the 1749 01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,920 operation is running okay. Um there 1750 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,560 seems to be more of a an interest in 1751 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,360 information from the public um through 1752 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,199 the government t TV the YouTube channel 1753 01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:34,159 um and just to keep up with the whole 1754 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:37,199 juggling all the balls you know having 1755 01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:40,640 two part- timerrs trying to manage that 1756 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,679 um is really proving to be uh a 1757 01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:46,280 situation where we are experiencing lost 1758 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,400 opportunities that we need to stay on 1759 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,880 top of. Do we I because I agree 1760 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,400 everything's been running really well at 1761 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,560 least from our perspective, my 1762 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:59,360 perspective anyway. Um do do we think so 1763 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:00,760 it's it's listed at 1764 01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,000 83,000. Do we think there are grant 1765 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:07,120 opportunities available that would that 1766 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,760 would kind of get us back the 83,000 in equipment equivalency? Like what are 1767 01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:13,920 we that's what I'm I'm I'm trying to 1768 01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,920 pick out of all the you know the years 1769 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,400 and uh it's been going well. it's not 1770 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,560 broken. Uh I understand there's it 1771 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,000 sounds like there's a desire to kind of 1772 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,920 do something a little more advanced. Um 1773 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,199 I think we're all just kind of looking 1774 01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:29,520 for ways to to understand what's going 1775 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,840 on. So I'm just I'm I'm trying to 1776 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,920 wrestle, I guess, with the idea 1777 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,080 that do we pay somebody 83,000 and what 1778 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,400 are we getting back? Like are we going 1779 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,320 to get grants? Are we going to get 83? 1780 01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,480 Are we gonna get $60,000 in grants to 1781 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,239 pay for equipment when it could be 1782 01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:49,120 cheaper to just pay $40,000 for new 1783 01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:50,719 equipment and somebody else 20 1784 01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:53,040 something,000 to write the pure 1785 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,480 specification as another assistant? Um 1786 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:58,000 that's all I I was just I was wondering 1787 01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,480 where it came from. I guess. Yeah. No. 1788 01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:02,360 And additionally, 1789 01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,920 um, you know, between Tom Keshi and 1790 01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:07,840 Susan Shot, they're managing the 1791 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,040 scheduling, right? Um, there are times 1792 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:14,080 that, um, you know, while we've 1793 01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,560 scheduled some of the part- timerrs that 1794 01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,000 uh, their operation to to record a 1795 01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,440 meeting doesn't end up fully staffed for 1796 01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:24,880 any variety of reasons. Um there are 1797 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,840 times that one of the part- timerrs runs 1798 01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:31,280 up against exceeding the 19 and a half 1799 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,040 hours uh weekly. Uh if that continues to 1800 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,080 be a problem or if it if it continues to 1801 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,120 occur, it could turn into a problem. Um 1802 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,600 where we then have to treat that 1803 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,400 employee like a full-time employee. Uh 1804 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,520 and then suddenly we have the expense 1805 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:56,070 associated with a full-time employee. 1806 01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,800 U that that answers the bas basics of my 1807 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,239 question so it's good enough for now but 1808 01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:06,880 so thank you uh Mr. Senator separate 1809 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:10,080 comment but uh in my budget I did put in 1810 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,920 there for um budget software to get a 1811 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,480 prettier product for you guys. So we did 1812 01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:18,320 not discuss that but that is in my 1813 01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:22,239 budget. Much appreciated. So and um I'm 1814 01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:24,400 going to we're closed Friday and I'm off 1815 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,960 tomorrow. So I'm I'll get your answers 1816 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,120 next week if that's okay. And if you 1817 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,360 don't mind if you could email me the 1818 01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,040 questions so this way I definitely don't 1819 01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,560 forget. Thank you. 1820 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,440 All right. Questions from the 1821 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:44,470 public. Mrs. Shardulo 1822 01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,159 and please limit it to the topics we've 1823 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:47,360 discussed tonight. There'll be another 1824 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:48,560 opportunity at the public hearing, you 1825 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,400 know, to ask your questions of the 1826 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,800 department heads. Yes. Paul Shardillo, 1827 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:58,320 two Mayberry Drive. Yeah. I my questions and comments have to do 1828 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,480 with what's it's they're all listed 1829 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:04,239 here. So I I'm assuming I can question 1830 01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:07,600 on that, right? Is that correct? I'm not 1831 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,560 sure what you mean, but go ahead and 1832 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,080 we'll we'll take them one by one. As an 1833 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,520 example, one of the issues I wanted to 1834 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:16,800 raise is the uh I wanted to ask uh 1835 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,640 either the mayor or probably Mr. Senna 1836 01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,120 why we need a contingency fund in the 1837 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,040 budget. Now that's that's listed 1838 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,320 contingency. So that's what I'm looking 1839 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,400 for. Do we really need a contingency 1840 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,840 fund? Do we need a contingency? Yes. 1841 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,600 Okay. For for flexibility because when 1842 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,480 we make these budgets Yeah. four months 1843 01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:43,120 in advance, things happen and you need 1844 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,080 to be able to adjust. Okay. Well, let me 1845 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,760 respond to that. Um, I don't agree with 1846 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,640 that and here's why. Uh, I think we 1847 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,600 already have a contingency fund. It's 1848 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,040 called the surplus. That's 1849 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,679 one. So, if you need money uh during the 1850 01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:03,600 year, I I don't understand why you can't 1851 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,560 come to the council and ask them for it. 1852 01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,400 And that's where they, you know, they 1853 01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:12,080 allocate the funds. Uh the surplus fund 1854 01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,440 is over, the unaudited portion is over 1855 01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:17,679 by about 2 million, right? I think in 1856 01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:19,960 the mayor's letter you said it was 222 1857 01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:23,520 million. 10% of the budget's 20. So the 1858 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,840 money's there to be used if I understand 1859 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,719 what you're saying about things happen. 1860 01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:30,800 The second reason I don't think and and 1861 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:31,880 so 1862 01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,120 basically what we're doing is by putting 1863 01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,630 it in the budget 1864 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,719 Mr. So this isn't public comment. This 1865 01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:42,159 is a question and answer. You asked the 1866 01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:43,679 question, he answered it. I thought it 1867 01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:45,520 was a workshop. This is a workshop. This 1868 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:46,800 is a council workshop. So you're welcome 1869 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,480 to go on to the next question. No, I'm 1870 01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:50,239 not going to the next question. I'm 1871 01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,560 sorry. I am not. I want an answer to 1872 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:54,800 this question. You asked a workshop. Do 1873 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:56,320 we need a contingency? He answered the 1874 01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:57,679 question. No, he didn't. Well, you 1875 01:21:57,679 --> 01:22:00,400 didn't, sir. Allow me time to respond, 1876 01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:04,400 sir. No. No, sir. You have not given me 1877 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,560 time to respond. You're not going to 1878 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,480 shut me down simply because you don't 1879 01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,560 want to hear what I have to say. And I 1880 01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:14,000 guess I would Mayor Mr. Charardullo. 1881 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,560 Yeah. You are out of order, sir. No, I 1882 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,159 don't think I am. You are. I'll adjourn 1883 01:22:18,159 --> 01:22:20,239 the meeting and we'll go home. Okay. Go 1884 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:21,600 right ahead. 1885 01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:22,800 Now, I want to give you the opportunity 1886 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,000 to answer your questions. Ask your 1887 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,960 question. Well, let me finish. However, 1888 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,560 we've heard this several times before, 1889 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,239 right? So, I I understand you don't like 1890 01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:31,360 the contingency. No, you haven't heard 1891 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,040 it. He asked the question, he answered 1892 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,159 it. You're not giving me a chance to 1893 01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:39,280 have an interaction with the controller. 1894 01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,880 I guess I'll appeal to the 1895 01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,480 council. Am I being treated properly 1896 01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,679 here? I'm a taxpaying 1897 01:22:46,679 --> 01:22:49,520 resident at a workshop and you're 1898 01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,040 telling me I can't talk to the 1899 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,120 controller. You can talk to him. I said 1900 01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:54,320 you asked the question which he 1901 01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,719 answered. No, he did not. He answered it 1902 01:22:56,719 --> 01:22:58,639 and it we're having a back and forth 1903 01:22:58,639 --> 01:23:02,800 just like vice chair Christina has back 1904 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,719 and forth. That's how you that's how you 1905 01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:07,080 discuss an issue and you come to a 1906 01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:09,120 resolution or you come to an 1907 01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:10,639 understanding. So at a prior meeting, 1908 01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:12,159 Mr. Sen had offered to meet with you to 1909 01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,480 discuss these topics. Correct. 1910 01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:16,320 Listen, I don't want to go into that. I 1911 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:17,760 asked I don't want to I don't want to 1912 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,560 I'm not here to denigrate anybody. I'm 1913 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,760 trying to get a simple answer to some 1914 01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:28,000 concerns that I have as a taxpaying 1915 01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:31,199 resident who's looking at a 50% increase 1916 01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:34,800 in taxes. I have a right to come here. 1917 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,840 It's the freedom of information, freedom 1918 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,600 of conversation. So, this is a council. 1919 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:40,960 You're trying to shut me down. I'm not 1920 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:41,760 trying to shut you down. I'm trying to 1921 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,000 get Well, then stop. Let me talk to him. 1922 01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,639 So, Mr. Lard, you're done. Have a seat. 1923 01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:48,320 I am shutting you down. You are way out 1924 01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:49,920 of order. No, I'm not. I think the 1925 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:51,199 council wants to appeal my decision. 1926 01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:52,960 They're welcome to. I think you're out 1927 01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,679 of order, Mr. Per. Thank you very much. 1928 01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:57,520 Have a good evening, sir. I I wish that 1929 01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,600 we had our attorney here tonight. Are 1930 01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:00,880 there any other questions from the 1931 01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:05,990 public? 1932 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,159 Okay. I I'll defer to this gentleman. He 1933 01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:10,400 can have the mic. Thank you. But I 1934 01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:12,000 resent what you're doing. You're 1935 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:16,000 shutting down a public workshop question 1936 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,480 and answering session. You have not 1937 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:22,400 given me time to respond to Mr. Senna. 1938 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,360 Am I correct, 1939 01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:27,550 sir? 1940 01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,560 No. 1941 01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,280 Okay. So, bottom line, Mr. Shardo, 1942 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,440 contingency fund, you're you're out of 1943 01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:36,960 order. The other gentleman has the 1944 01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:39,920 floor. The council should banish it. 1945 01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:43,239 You'll reduce the taxes by $1.9 1946 01:24:43,239 --> 01:24:46,320 million. You have a surplus. Thank you, 1947 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,800 sir. You come in every year under spent 1948 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,360 by3 to7 million. Why do you need a 1949 01:24:51,360 --> 01:25:01,910 contingency fund? 1950 01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,600 Good evening. My name is Tom Knight. I 1951 01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,679 live on Brookiew Avenue. Uh just a 1952 01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:07,679 couple of quick comments, please. I want 1953 01:25:07,679 --> 01:25:10,080 to thank you, Mr. mayor for your quick 1954 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,600 response to come to the senior center 1955 01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,880 last week. Uh, and although I didn't 1956 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,400 hear everything I wanted to hear because 1957 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,040 my taxes are going up 16% too and I'm 1958 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:20,800 not happy about it, but I you guys are 1959 01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,639 all working hard on that. Um, one of the 1960 01:25:24,639 --> 01:25:26,760 things that came up at 1961 01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,360 that talk, the Q&A I'm sorry, Mr. 1962 01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:30,320 Knight, if you could just speak into the 1963 01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:31,360 microphone. They're not picking you up 1964 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,199 on TV. One of the things that came up at 1965 01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:36,159 the Q&A at the senior center was the 1966 01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:39,080 mention of Mary Mashinsk's House Bill 1967 01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:46,719 6804 regarding the possible taxation of CHO and like enterprises. How do I 1968 01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:48,480 find out? I I went to the site and 1969 01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:51,600 actually wrote a an email to Mary, you 1970 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,159 know, encouraging it, but how do I find 1971 01:25:54,159 --> 01:25:57,040 out the status of it? Where it sits? Is 1972 01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,000 it in process? Um, so you're talking 1973 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:01,440 about the status of the piece of 1974 01:26:01,440 --> 01:26:03,199 legislation. Yes. So, if you go on to 1975 01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:04,639 the state web page, I don't have the 1976 01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:07,840 House Bill number handy, but I 6804. 1977 01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,040 Okay. So, on the on the state 1978 01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:10,880 legislature web page, uh, you can follow 1979 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,800 the progress of the of the bill. Yeah. 1980 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:16,320 Okay. I got to look harder. Um, also 1981 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,000 earlier there was conversation about 1982 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,920 praise for your staff and I echo that 1983 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,920 because I I stop in your office 1984 01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,400 occasionally because every department in 1985 01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,159 this building I get nothing but 1986 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:29,040 cooperation when I come here and I don't 1987 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,760 always see that at at other towns. I see 1988 01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:35,040 a lot of abruptness and curt answers and 1989 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:41,760 things like that. So, um, my hats off to the staff here, all of you people. 1990 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:45,040 Also, when can we get this fixed so we 1991 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:50,239 can seat people in there? The balcony. 1992 01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:52,480 That that uh is a building code 1993 01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:57,600 challenge. Um it was so 1917 it was 1994 01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,840 built and the building code was very 1995 01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:03,120 different than it is now. Um it has to 1996 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,600 do with the the steepness of it and um 1997 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,400 and the proximity of the seating. you 1998 01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,800 know, it was designed for a different 1999 01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,880 time. So, that that that presents a 2000 01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:19,679 challenge that I'm not sure how we get 2001 01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:22,239 around. Yeah. It's too bad cuz it's, you 2002 01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:24,000 know, I think for the things that they 2003 01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,080 have here that attract the crowd that 2004 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,760 would enhance enhance it. It's a nice 2005 01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,040 feature. So, okay. But thank you for 2006 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,719 that. That's all I have. Thank you. 2007 01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:35,120 very much. Anyone else from 2008 01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,080 the 2009 01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:46,310 public, sir? 2010 01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:50,520 Hi, Dave Pillo. Um, 40 Jolie 2011 01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,400 Drive. I lived here 32 years and our 2012 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,760 taxes have been going up every year. 2013 01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,400 And it seems that everybody 2014 01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:01,719 gets what they 2015 01:28:01,719 --> 01:28:05,400 want. I see public works need a loader 2016 01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,239 350,000 that they just got a new one. 2017 01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,880 So, why do we need another one? There's 2018 01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,000 other things that are on the list 2019 01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,320 um that we didn't negotiate with 2020 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:19,360 anybody. We said, "Okay, it's there. 2021 01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,440 It's written. I know the mayor went 2022 01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:23,920 through it. Um you know, we should be 2023 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,480 holding back some of that stuff. You 2024 01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:27,679 know, some of that stuff could wait 2025 01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:30,560 another year. Give the tax people a 2026 01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,480 little break instead of falling 19% what 2027 01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:37,600 you're trying to say on households." And 2028 01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,719 I don't get why if you look in your 2029 01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:43,639 budget um only 2030 01:28:43,639 --> 01:28:48,960 30% went up in this industry tax. Okay, 2031 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,440 you got them using more of the roads, 2032 01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:54,679 more of their equipment. Okay, heavy 2033 01:28:54,679 --> 01:28:57,040 equipment that are going all over this 2034 01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:01,560 road. Okay. We don't get any services of 2035 01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,360 trash pickup because you want to have 2036 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:09,920 the contractors pick up our trash 2037 01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,239 because they make money. Hampton has a 2038 01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:14,960 pickup. North Haven has a pickup. It's 2039 01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,639 in their town taxes and they're 2040 01:29:17,639 --> 01:29:20,719 lower. And we got a lot of regulations 2041 01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:24,000 that we don't let people build. So if 2042 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,080 you look at it, this town has been 2043 01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:27,760 stagnant. 2044 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,600 because people were complaining, well, I 2045 01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,440 don't want this there. I don't want that 2046 01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:33,760 there. Or you can't build this there. 2047 01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,920 There's no growth in this town. I don't 2048 01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,480 see it. The only growth I see is near 2049 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:40,000 the church over there, which they're 2050 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,320 building two buildings over there, and 2051 01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:44,639 they don't look too good next to the 2052 01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:48,840 church. So, we need some type of um 2053 01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,159 growth in this town. Now, we advertise 2054 01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:55,040 it, but we don't get it. And the taxes 2055 01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,560 every year seem to go up. That's what 2056 01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,480 I'm going to complain about. The taxes 2057 01:29:58,480 --> 01:30:02,159 do not stay, you know, for the last I've 2058 01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:04,800 been here, like I say, 32 years and they 2059 01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:07,320 have been going up. And that 2060 01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:11,280 19% I'm probably looking, you know, 19% 2061 01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,800 of my taxes. I keep my house well. I'm 2062 01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,239 on a corner. The public works plow snows 2063 01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:20,480 against the my sidewalk all the time 2064 01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,040 because it's a corner. I complain to 2065 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,600 them because it's full of ice. and they 2066 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,560 go, "Ah, it's not our 2067 01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,840 problem." Well, why can't you move it 2068 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,480 out to the side? And then we got the 2069 01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:34,639 public works. They're zooming down the 2070 01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:38,719 street to make time. And then when I see 2071 01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:41,600 we got 25 trucks in the public works, a 2072 01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,960 line item, and we want another net a 2073 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,880 plow. Do we really need that plow this 2074 01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,520 year? No. That's like a 2075 01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:54,639 $300,000 truck. If we got 25 or we got 2076 01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:57,560 it says the line item is 2077 01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,719 25, we got to look over the stuff and 2078 01:31:00,719 --> 01:31:03,199 try to cut some of these things at least 2079 01:31:03,199 --> 01:31:06,159 till next year if someone could wait. 2080 01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:08,080 You know, there's just frivolous stuff 2081 01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,159 that we don't need right away if we're 2082 01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:13,600 going to go after the residents and try 2083 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:14,920 to make the 2084 01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,480 taxes more enjoyable each year instead 2085 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:22,480 of all at once. That's all I say. 2086 01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:25,239 You know, you know, everything's tough 2087 01:31:25,239 --> 01:31:27,600 nowadays between tariffs and everything 2088 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,840 going up. I know food cost. You see all 2089 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,199 the food costs go up. I'm a senior. I do 2090 01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:35,480 not get an increase. Only social 2091 01:31:35,480 --> 01:31:38,320 security. I don't get my pension doesn't 2092 01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,199 increase. Not an increase. All right. 2093 01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:44,320 So, um, you know, there's no increase 2094 01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:48,320 for me, you know. So when taxes go up, 2095 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:50,560 you know, and you know how many people 2096 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,320 do we have in this town? 2097 01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:56,679 45,000. That's been like that for the 2098 01:31:56,679 --> 01:31:58,840 last 30 2099 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:02,760 years. And right now, half of them are 2100 01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,400 seniors in this town. We got a school 2101 01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:10,679 system. We got 16,000 kids. We got two 2102 01:32:10,679 --> 01:32:13,440 schools. And those schools must be empty 2103 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:16,639 on the classrooms. Why can't we use 2104 01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:19,360 those classrooms for something else? Why 2105 01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,520 do we need a board of education that 2106 01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,880 needs a building near Oakdale? Why? 2107 01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,360 That's cost. We used to have the board 2108 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:31,360 of education in Shane. Why not? We must 2109 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,199 have the room. So, this is all cost that 2110 01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:37,920 you're saying items. Oh, it's going 2111 01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,040 against the town, not with the board of 2112 01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:42,960 education. Why? because we're just 2113 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,840 giving everybody what they want. Someone 2114 01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,480 has to go out there and say, "Do we need 2115 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:50,560 this? Do we need this lease that we're 2116 01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,960 out in Oakdale and can we put them back 2117 01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,280 in this school 2118 01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:56,719 system?" You know, and then someone says 2119 01:32:56,719 --> 01:32:59,199 on a new school, we need 30 to 40 acres 2120 01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:00,840 to build a new 2121 01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:04,400 school. Well, there is a site right 2122 01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,120 where our school is. 2123 01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,120 the church down the street is probably 2124 01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,199 going to get rid of that church and you 2125 01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:14,239 could expand sheen down that street. I'm 2126 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:17,199 sure they would take the money because 2127 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,920 they're you know people that go to 2128 01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,960 church now are 2129 01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:25,239 low. So you you do got 2130 01:33:25,239 --> 01:33:27,760 spaces and you could be a second floor. 2131 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,400 I went to Hamna High School. We had over 2132 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,920 2,000 kids in our school. We have less 2133 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,400 and less. But on that high school, if 2134 01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,239 you look at it, they build up on the 2135 01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:41,840 sides. They all that high school's been 2136 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,800 the same since 2137 01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,600 19 50. All right. That same school, they 2138 01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,520 didn't build a new high school. They 2139 01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,719 built a new uh middle school all in one, 2140 01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,560 but they didn't build a high school. 2141 01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:55,880 They added 2142 01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,480 on. 2143 01:33:57,480 --> 01:33:59,920 So you you know in some of these schools 2144 01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:03,199 you do have room like I say and that's 2145 01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:04,800 going to be another cost as we go 2146 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,360 through time. I'm just saying these 2147 01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,719 things are going to pile up. New police 2148 01:34:09,719 --> 01:34:12,880 station now that police station building 2149 01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,920 what are we doing with that Donald? We 2150 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,000 got more parking spaces that are owned 2151 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:21,040 by the town that isn't even used but we 2152 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,120 take care of 2153 01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:25,040 them. Well we we down near the train 2154 01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:29,040 station. We got a parking lot. No one 2155 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:33,679 uses that. The people across the street use it and park their cars all 2156 01:34:33,679 --> 01:34:35,760 the time where they used to park in 2157 01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,520 their own lot. Now there's parking 2158 01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:40,880 there. All right. Or it's a staging 2159 01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,840 point for someone working around the 2160 01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:46,239 town. Okay. We take care of all these. 2161 01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:49,600 We got to repave them. Everything else. 2162 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,080 If you go in other towns, they have 2163 01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:55,760 meters collecting money for that. We 2164 01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,719 don't. Middletown has them. You New 2165 01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:00,639 Haven, you go down there. That's why I 2166 01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:02,880 don't go to New Haven. You're paying 2167 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,360 stuff down there. But we have all these 2168 01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,239 things that we're taking on and it's 2169 01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:10,880 going on to the taxpayer. You don't 2170 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,360 realize it. But, you know, I'm just 2171 01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,080 trying to say it's I've been here 2172 01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,000 watching this town the way it is. 2173 01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:22,639 Um, and it's always every year, uh, we 2174 01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:24,560 got to raise the taxes up. And, you 2175 01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:28,480 know, now I can't blame this mayor. You 2176 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,719 know, you may blame the last mayor or 2177 01:35:30,719 --> 01:35:32,960 the way everything's been running, but 2178 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,679 it shouldn't be, but he was cutting 2179 01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:40,360 things in the end. Um, so that 2180 01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,960 19%, you know, is a hell of a lot. I 2181 01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,280 just hope news people do something about 2182 01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:48,600 that and try to make it as the years go 2183 01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,600 on that you really need all that money 2184 01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,880 right now or we could save somewhere 2185 01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:57,679 else. So I think you be making taxpayers 2186 01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:00,880 happy. I know if it doesn't come through 2187 01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,040 like that, you're going to see the next 2188 01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:05,440 mayor not be here, the mayor that's here 2189 01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:07,840 because I'm sure everybody's going to be 2190 01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,239 up in arms. You know, they're going to 2191 01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:13,320 say one year I got this mayor in here 2192 01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:18,000 and now it went up and I'm paying this 2193 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,480 much. I know there's re-evaluation 2194 01:36:20,480 --> 01:36:22,880 because of re-evaluation because there's 2195 01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,679 no one building anything in town. 2196 01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:27,600 Everybody's over and paying the town. 2197 01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:29,400 Yes. Because they want to live in 2198 01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:32,800 Wallingford. But as you go get to that 2199 01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,840 point, people are going to say, "Uh, I 2200 01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,639 can't live here anymore." Like I say, I 2201 01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:40,000 don't have any more kids going to 2202 01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:42,639 school. But I like kids to have a nice 2203 01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:45,119 school. Yes, but you're going to get 2204 01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:47,840 arguments one this and the other. And 2205 01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:50,000 then we took over child care in the 2206 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:52,880 morning for people that we never had. It 2207 01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,360 was a government thing. We got the money 2208 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,280 from the beginning. Now we don't get the 2209 01:36:57,280 --> 01:36:59,520 money. All right. So that's another 2210 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,239 expense been thrown out. I had to work 2211 01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:06,080 all the time. Okay. and I had my wife 2212 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,800 stay home and watch the kids. Okay, I 2213 01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:12,960 didn't have that stuff. So, but we're 2214 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,360 paying for it. So, all these things that 2215 01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,679 are added on through the government, you 2216 01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:20,000 know, that we have to do this. We really 2217 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,880 don't have to do this. You know, this is 2218 01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,360 actually babysitting for people's kids. 2219 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,679 That's what it is. So the uh the board 2220 01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:29,119 of ed will be back at the public hearing 2221 01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:30,480 on the 28th if you wanted to ask them 2222 01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:32,239 questions about how they run the I plan 2223 01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:35,280 on going to that too. Um you know my 2224 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,000 wife was a pair. She went through the 2225 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:41,760 system for a number of years and the 2226 01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:45,679 kids the behavioral part of the kids are 2227 01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:49,199 real wrong. All right. There's no 2228 01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:51,040 behavior. They have more problems with 2229 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:54,000 un the kids don't have a behavior that 2230 01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,159 have a behavior problem. All right. 2231 01:37:56,159 --> 01:37:57,679 There's a lot out there. There's a lot 2232 01:37:57,679 --> 01:38:00,480 of single parents and they go to work 2233 01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:03,400 and they expect the school system to do 2234 01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,560 everything, you know, and and that's the 2235 01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:12,239 way society is nowadays. It is that's where our cost comes from, too, 2236 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:14,679 you know. So, uh it's an all round 2237 01:38:14,679 --> 01:38:18,080 thing. Um, but you know, I'm just saying 2238 01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,040 on the tax part of it, I can't, you 2239 01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:23,360 know, see, uh, you know, maybe I'll move 2240 01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:26,159 out of here. But, uh, you know, I like 2241 01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,320 the place. Like I say, I've been here so 2242 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,840 many years. My wife loves it. She works 2243 01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:34,480 here. Um, you know, I worked for, you 2244 01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:36,960 know, a utility myself. Even in 2245 01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,840 utilities, they put in new meters there. 2246 01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:41,880 Well, how come we 2247 01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,400 couldn't put a transponder in those 2248 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:45,920 meters? So, we didn't have a meter 2249 01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,600 reader run around. Why couldn't we pay 2250 01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,320 for that service to get rid of a person 2251 01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,719 that we have to hire to walk around and 2252 01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:55,600 read the meters? We put in a new meter. 2253 01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,679 The gas company does it. The electric 2254 01:38:57,679 --> 01:38:59,880 company does it down in southern 2255 01:38:59,880 --> 01:39:02,000 Connecticut. Why couldn't we upgrade 2256 01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,000 that to that? We didn't upgrade it to 2257 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,800 save money. Same thing with this new 2258 01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:08,639 system supposed to put in the computer 2259 01:39:08,639 --> 01:39:11,119 system here. That's supposed to save 2260 01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:14,480 money in the end. I hope it does. You 2261 01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:16,320 know, it's supposed to really eliminate 2262 01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,119 jobs hopefully where you don't need as 2263 01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:21,119 many people. Well, it looks like we're 2264 01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,920 adding people because well, we need 2265 01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:25,440 someone for this. We need someone for 2266 01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:27,199 that. So, so I appreciate your thoughts 2267 01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:28,400 and you're certainly welcome back, you 2268 01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:29,600 know, to the public hearing to ask the 2269 01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:30,320 questions of the department. I just 2270 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,679 wanted a piece of my mind about it. 2271 01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:36,639 Sorry to bother you about it, but uh I 2272 01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:39,320 just say it's ridiculous to go up 2273 01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:43,119 19% in one year and shock everybody. 2274 01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:46,000 Understood. Thank you so much. Anyone 2275 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:52,229 else from the public? Sir, 2276 01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:53,600 uh Mr. Sher, do I recognize the 2277 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,320 gentleman behind you? Oh, I'm sorry. I 2278 01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:57,600 thought you said you weren't coming in. 2279 01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,520 Okay, good. I just want to make a 2280 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:01,679 parting comment to you to address a 2281 01:40:01,679 --> 01:40:03,280 question that you keep directing to me. 2282 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:07,440 Sir, you don't have the floor. Let the gentleman speak. 2283 01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:08,480 And if you'd like to speak to me 2284 01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:11,119 afterwards, I'd be more than happy to. 2285 01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:14,320 Hi. Uh my name is Bruce Hey. uh as a 2286 01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,400 former broadcast combat correspondent 2287 01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:19,199 for the United States Army and somebody 2288 01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:20,960 who helps out a couple hours a week at 2289 01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,760 the studio down the hill. Uh I'm 2290 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,679 somebody who's very interested in that 2291 01:40:25,679 --> 01:40:28,280 full-time uh government channel 2292 01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:31,040 position. Uh to address some issue 2293 01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,639 regarding the uh grant 2294 01:40:33,639 --> 01:40:36,239 situation, the current grant cycle has 2295 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:39,199 recently passed. So they're now on a 2296 01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:42,000 two-year cycle. So, the next grant cycle 2297 01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:44,880 will be in September of next year to be 2298 01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:47,840 paid out the following June and the 2299 01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,239 limit has been raised to 2300 01:40:51,239 --> 01:40:53,679 $250,000. So, if there's need for 2301 01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:56,960 equipment, so that's something to to 2302 01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:59,880 keep in mind uh coming 2303 01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:03,280 up. Um other than that, I don't really 2304 01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,119 have any other information regarding 2305 01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:06,880 that. 2306 01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:14,149 Well, thank you very much. 2307 01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,280 Paul Shardillo to Bayberry 2308 01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:19,199 Drive on the issue of meeting with Mr. 2309 01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:22,480 Senna. I want to clarify. Uh I a couple 2310 01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:24,000 of weeks before this whole process 2311 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,080 started. I approached Mr. Senate in the 2312 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:27,840 hall and I asked him if I could meet 2313 01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:29,520 with him to discuss some issues on the 2314 01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,239 budget. He told me he was very busy 2315 01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:33,920 during the budget season. I understood 2316 01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,320 that and to see him after the budget was 2317 01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:39,040 over. I have issues that are real 2318 01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,880 issues. I believe they have to be 2319 01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,159 discussed. Hey, if you don't want to do 2320 01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:46,080 anything about it, fine. But I have a 2321 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:47,760 right to bring them forward to the 2322 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:49,840 council, give you my rationale. You make 2323 01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:52,320 the decision. And I I don't understand 2324 01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:53,600 why you shut me down here. I thought 2325 01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,040 this was No, I'd be happy to explain. 2326 01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:56,560 So, at the at a normal council meeting, 2327 01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:57,679 we have the public question and answer, 2328 01:41:57,679 --> 01:41:59,520 which you avail yourself of frequently. 2329 01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:01,360 Correct. Yes. Okay. So, now you come 2330 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:02,560 tonight and you want to engage in a 2331 01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,080 debate with the comproller over his 2332 01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:05,840 budget philosophy. That's not what this 2333 01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:07,280 meeting is for. This is a council 2334 01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:08,960 workshop for the council to ask 2335 01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:10,480 questions of the departments. We have 2336 01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:11,760 public comment because I believe the 2337 01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:13,440 public comment is valuable. But you want 2338 01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:19,280 to rehash the same discussion about the um that that fund. I think 2339 01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:20,800 it's necessary. The council thinks it's 2340 01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,000 necessary. The controller thinks it's 2341 01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:23,440 necessary. You can have whatever opinion 2342 01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:25,280 you like. But it's been voted on and 2343 01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,520 decided. So if anyone wants to cut it 2344 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:28,560 from the budget, they're more than 2345 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:30,480 welcome to make a motion. But I'm not 2346 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:31,920 going to have you engage in a debate 2347 01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,199 with the comproller. And that's why I 2348 01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:34,560 shut it down. One. Number two was you 2349 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,239 were extremely rude when I asked you to 2350 01:42:36,239 --> 01:42:38,239 stop and you went on some sort of a 2351 01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:40,159 tear. So that's the reason you got shut 2352 01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:42,080 down. Just so we're all clear. Okay. 2353 01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:43,760 Well, let me respond to you. No, no, 2354 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:45,920 we're done here. First now, who's being 2355 01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,679 rude? Everyone have a lovely evening. 2356 01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:51,080 This meeting is uh listen uh 2357 01:42:51,080 --> 01:43:04,980 basically Okay. 2358 01:43:04,990 --> 01:44:02,939 [Music]