1 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,640 All right, with the hour being after 7:00, we have a 2 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:25,400 meeting planning board with four members 3 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:30,080 present, so meeting's open. First item, minutes May 28th 4 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:33,720 and June 18th. 5 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,680 Make a motion to accept. >> Second. 6 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,040 » Second. Any discussions? All in favor? 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,800 » Aye. >> Aye. 8 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:44,600 » Opposed? Abstain? There we go. All right. 9 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,280 Let's see. Let's 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:54,440 We still got 5 minutes before the extension. 11 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,720 Couple more things. 12 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,920 I'll try to knock out the easy ones in the 5 13 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:08,160 minutes. Cuz some of these are going to take a 14 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:14,000 bit, so we'll go down to modification. Bristol Renma. 15 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 Someone here for that? 16 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:21,880 Nobody's here? >> Huh. Which one did you say? 17 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,720 » I'm looking for someone for representing Bristol Brothers. 18 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,720 No? 19 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,720 Okay. They didn't come. All right. Did everybody get a copy of this? 20 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,800 » Mhm. >> All right. 21 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:43,840 So, they're looking for modification. All they had is moving a 22 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,760 a repositioned non-the-ground recharge system, so 23 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,080 that doesn't describe it. >> Mhm. 24 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,120 » Did they give you a no >> description of where what what's being 25 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,560 moved and where? >> Well, it should be on the plan, right? 26 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,480 No? >> I thought it was. 27 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:08,040 » It's a question of what's what was there and what's being 28 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,040 added or something. 29 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,480 Yes, so what they're talking about might be six uh C4C 30 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,280 plan. >> C4? 31 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:21,440 » C4C, yeah. It might be the best view if that's what 32 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,440 they actually talked about. 33 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,000 » Here is 25 and 36. 34 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,720 And oh. 35 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:42,840 » You can also see C3C. >> Mhm. 36 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,280 » That shows the building numbers. So it looks like there's some little 37 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:50,440 infiltration basin 2A. >> Yeah, it's submitted because of doing 38 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:54,360 infiltration they're able to knock down the size of the basin itself. 39 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:02,519 » And I'll see what where they moved anything or I don't 40 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:05,480 know if they actually moved anything. >> Is this one right here? 41 00:03:03,959 --> 00:03:07,680 » Yeah. Do you know what's that shrinking it? 42 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,360 Well, 43 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,680 not the end. 44 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:21,040 » So they're shrinking the retaining wall because of it. 45 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:25,000 » Yeah, 10 ft to 4 ft. >> Because it's gone down so much in size. 46 00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:28,760 » Yeah, I understand. >> And the thing is 47 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:32,080 » what gets me is nobody's here. Mhm. They didn't cloud anything. This is why I've 48 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:36,720 done this for business forever. Put a cloud on it and show up. 49 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:38,840 And John has a question. He's not 100% sure. We we shouldn't be guessing. 50 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,800 » Mhm. >> They should say, "Here it is." Boom, 51 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,360 presented to us. >> There's usually always somebody here. 52 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,440 » Yeah, so >> Taylor said she would be here. 53 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,120 » Mhm. >> Taylor said she would be here. 54 00:03:49,959 --> 00:03:54,280 I I she thought we weren't taking it right away. Maybe. 55 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,800 » Now, aren't any of these buildings sold already? 56 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,720 » Well, >> Yes. 57 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:02,920 » For now, I'm going to say we can't rule on anything until someone explains it or 58 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,520 whatever. They show up later, fine, but if they don't, 59 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:09,600 just tell them they've got to show up and give us plans 60 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,560 that have, what do you call, clouds on them. 61 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,920 » Existing and non-existing. >> That's how we know what you're talking 62 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,920 about, so. 63 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,760 All right, you still got a second here. New pond. 64 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:28,320 All right, 16. What are we doing there? 18. 65 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,000 We have a 66 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,320 Okay. You're going to amend the order 67 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,200 conditions >> The order was already done. 68 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:42,880 » and the storm water and So, 69 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,480 what are you guys doing? >> So, 70 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:51,320 we were recently here for our second review. 71 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,720 approved the plans we got approved before 72 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:57,600 and there was some issues with the 73 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,120 aesthetics of the parking lot that you see 74 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,200 you would have seen right when you drive into the 75 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:08,080 I'm going to hold this up because things are working. 76 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,720 There were some issues with the um seeing the parking lot that's right 77 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:15,040 there and the neighbors had 78 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:19,560 um well, we were in great displeasure with the fact that it was so close to 79 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,040 their garden, so the 80 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,720 » Well, >> we need two things for the board. We're 81 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:30,480 requesting two things from the board that you vote to determine if it's in 82 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:35,880 fact a minor modification and then a vote to approve the minor 83 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:39,440 modification and um The only modifications that have been 84 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,440 made, like I said, Oh, thank you. 85 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,919 Um is this parking lot right here has been 86 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,880 removed. And in addition, 87 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,200 as we're 88 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:55,400 we're um we're placing that in the existing head-in parking spaces right 89 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,240 here, that's the south of 90 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:04,440 what's supposed to be the addition to the building. 91 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:10,000 They are going to add parking up here to the north. 92 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:13,280 And it'll be here to the northeast. They're going to reduce paving right 93 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:17,280 here. And then the courtyard is going to have 94 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:22,000 some changes. There's two courtyards. They're just going to increase the size 95 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:26,880 of the walkway, the oval walkway. They're going to make it bigger. 96 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:29,520 And then the other courtyard, instead of an oval, they're going to make it a 97 00:06:27,919 --> 00:06:33,040 square and they're going to put sidewalks in there. 98 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:38,440 Um some of the improvements to the 99 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:42,240 courtyard triggered some storm water issues, so 100 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:46,760 uh we went before the uh conservation commission. 101 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Um they voted on it. They approved it. Um we have an amended order of 102 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:55,000 conditions. And now we're just waiting to see if the 103 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:58,520 planning board will uh vote on it for whether it is a minor 104 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:02,800 modification. And then uh once that's done, hopefully 105 00:07:01,919 --> 00:07:07,919 uh approve the amendment for modification. 106 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,400 » All right. So, in a summary of 107 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,400 reducing you killed the parking lot, reduced the 108 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:18,520 number of spaces, and reduced the total pavement. 109 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,160 » Just location. The parking count doesn't change at all. 110 00:07:18,919 --> 00:07:24,320 » That's what I'm saying. The parking count stays the parking count stays the 111 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:27,000 same, but by doing that, wherever you picked it up, you get less pavement. 112 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,240 » Right. >> Okay. 113 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,400 I just want to make sure. Um so, 114 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,000 John, questions from us? 115 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,000 » Um 116 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:44,960 Uh the little extension to the top left kind of, 117 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:49,640 that's access for the pool house only. >> I'm sorry, what did you say? 118 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:53,280 » Um About halfway across and about 4 in 119 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,440 down. Up. 120 00:07:54,640 --> 00:08:00,160 Up. That one. The the roadway there. 121 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,680 Reference here is uh >> Oh. 122 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:06,720 » reduction in pavement width. How much reduction? 123 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:09,240 » Um I don't know how much is being reduced. 124 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,680 I'm not familiar how much is being reduced. 125 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:27,080 All I know is that this does the only change in the driveway. Is that just 126 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,640 reduction in pavement right there? But I I'm just I apologize, I don't know what 127 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:36,680 the square footage is. >> Is that portion of the driveway only to 128 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:41,159 access the pool house building? >> Yes, behind the pool house just as it 129 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:45,120 was. I mean, this is the same access that was presented on the first set of 130 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,280 plans before the board. I thought that one I think was the last call. 131 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,680 Um and they're just reducing the amount of 132 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:55,400 pavement. They're cutting some of it out. But it it appears correct. It is 133 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,800 access to the um pool house and pool. 134 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,200 » Um 135 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,720 And it doesn't have a 136 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,040 There is no scale on here. 137 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,240 Good. Nothing. 138 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:29,320 There is no scale on there, either. Okay. 139 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:32,839 Number of parking spots isn't changing. That's good. 140 00:09:31,821 --> 00:09:37,920 » [clears throat] >> The 141 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:41,680 oval walkway area, the area around that, does that include 142 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:48,440 parking? Is that what I'm looking at? >> No, this is just the sidewalks. 143 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,440 They're just They're just walking areas. 144 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:58,120 » What is the light beige colored area there? Is that the building? 145 00:09:57,560 --> 00:09:59,760 » Right here? >> Yes. 146 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,280 » So, this is the >> That's the new building. Okay. Sorry. 147 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:11,000 That's okay. I understand. 148 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:18,560 So, the parking in the top right is just a extension of what's already there. Is 149 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,600 that right? >> Correct. 150 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,480 We just moved some of the spaces from there and over here to the 151 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,120 to the west a little bit. >> Okay. 152 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,440 That's fine. 153 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,720 Um I have no other questions. So, that's it. 154 00:10:40,839 --> 00:10:46,400 » Okay. >> Okay. 155 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:49,560 » Nadine, the the shaded area, is that new? 156 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:53,160 » Here? >> So, I understand 157 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:56,360 » Yeah. This is the proposed phase. This was on the east parking lot right here. 158 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:59,760 » Yes. >> This is the proposed phase. This was on 159 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:02,680 the site plan before. >> Okay. 160 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:07,720 So, it's just shaded. >> It's just Yeah, so I don't know what 161 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,800 your previous shade was. >> Um 162 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:14,160 » Yeah. >> Yours is brighter, but it's the same. 163 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:17,160 » Yeah, so the only changes are what's in red. 164 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:21,480 » And so, there's a whole lot of I didn't 165 00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:25,480 count them. So, there's a whole lot of spots in the area that's being 166 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,600 eliminated. >> Yeah. 167 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:31,320 » And the new spots are going up top. All of 168 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,200 » There's There's some right here and those ones there. Okay. Still to the 169 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,600 south of the proposed new >> Yep. 170 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:44,320 Okay. Yep. 171 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:49,240 Okay. And there's no building changes, it's 172 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:52,120 just okay. [clears throat] I have nothing. 173 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:55,600 » Okay, Bruce. I was trying to ask the question I was 174 00:11:53,880 --> 00:12:00,040 going to ask, but I'm that road that goes around like a fire road, too. 175 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,920 That goes around the back of it. >> Yeah. 176 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:04,600 » Yes. >> So nothing's like with that change and 177 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:07,440 like you're just adding on to that when you're adding the spaces. 178 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:11,160 » Right, they're just moving the big thing is moving 179 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:13,960 » Yeah, just that one there. But up around the back of it right there where that 180 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,160 road continues right around. >> Yes, that does. 181 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,080 » Yeah. >> There is no changes. 182 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,080 » No changes to the road. Okay. 183 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,920 You're all set? >> Yep. 184 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,320 » Good. All right. 185 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,200 » Sorry. >> All right, sounds like that. 186 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,880 » Okay. >> Question already answered at the start. 187 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,760 Um All right, I'll make a motion that's a 188 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,800 minor modification. >> Second that. 189 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,120 » It was second. All in favor? >> I. 190 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:40,440 » I. >> Opposed, abstain, minor. 191 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:46,839 » I'm here for another one. Sorry. 192 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:50,120 » Ron. Ron. 193 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:55,920 Okay, I'm going to All right, now getting back. Um 194 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,360 How are you feeling? That person showed up. 195 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,600 Okay, well they don't. >> Yeah, they don't. 196 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,600 » There's a lot of them. >> Um 197 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:08,640 The other thing from Walsh, I'll do that now since we already 198 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,640 did the other one. 199 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:21,320 Okay. The hour being after 7:10, we have a 200 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:27,200 public hearing for remand for for Walsh, John Walsh for definitive 201 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:32,000 subdivision plan on Lincoln Road. And this is the opening night, so we're 202 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:38,360 opening it and we have from the council that says 203 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:44,160 Walsh Brothers wishes to continue this matter until the August 26th meeting and 204 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,280 once they want it before a full board cuz there's only four of us. So, 205 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:52,320 uh and do we know is there any time frame 206 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:55,640 that's been verified with Lane? >> No time frame. 207 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:58,560 » He said we're all set. Please make sure you put that in 208 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,920 descending in email. >> No, I'll have them write me an email. 209 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:06,600 » Yes, all right. With that being said, uh 210 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,960 I'll make a motion to continue the hearing until what's our next meeting? 211 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,080 August 20th? >> 20th. 212 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,800 » So, we have 4 Lake >> Yeah. 213 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:16,120 » and 2160 214 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,640 » What's 1? >> That's on Providence Highway. 215 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:23,360 » Oh, all right. What's We'll do it after that one, then. 216 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:25,880 » 716 >> Uh 217 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,080 actually, no. Let's do it in front because we had Tom Lane here. We had to 218 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,920 do it in front of Walsh. >> 7:04? 219 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:39,240 » Yeah. This public hearing will be continued till 7:04 on August 20th. 220 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,920 At 7:04 p.m., there'll be no notifications. It'll be just picked up 221 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,080 and continued. So. 222 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,480 » All right. >> And 223 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:54,920 uh That's the seller, please. 224 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:58,520 And the next next is 7:05. We have a Marion Street extension residence 225 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:02,440 hearing. So, with that being said, 226 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:07,720 do you have someone from Marion Street here to 227 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,720 guide us through? 228 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:26,280 Okay, go ahead. >> Okay. 229 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,920 had to any submit the form J in order to get the bond release 230 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,200 for the >> Yeah. 231 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,000 So, we have that or >> Yeah, we have. 232 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:42,080 » Okay, we're going to need that. What's form J? And we have the certification of 233 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:45,240 monuments. Okay. So, 234 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,400 this would release it, but it's also residents here. Anybody from Marion 235 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:52,360 Street here? You live on Marion or this is for the 236 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:54,840 residents of Marion? >> I live on the bottom floor. 237 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,480 » Okay. Okay. 238 00:15:55,160 --> 00:16:00,440 » I live on William Street. >> Okay, if you want to go up and speak. 239 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,440 » I'll go. 240 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:12,240 Good evening. Steve Lynch, 80 William Street. I'm a 241 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,360 collector of water in the back of the property. 242 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:20,440 I I have a couple of issues that I think is somewhat important. 243 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:25,640 Under the special conditions, the trees should be 8 ft tall. 244 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:29,960 It's also a that the landscape covenant be approved 245 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:34,320 by the town engineer. 246 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:39,400 And all planting along my property should be 247 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:43,560 planted prior to a building permit being issued. 248 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:51,760 Well, trees were planted before building permit. However, to move forward 249 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:51,760 under the minutes of October 250 00:16:53,520 --> 00:17:01,080 6th, 2022, it states that the trees will be alive and thriving when planted 251 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:04,560 before the planning board releases any money back to Mr. Marino. 252 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:12,400 Well, if the trees were planted before the building permit was issued, they'd 253 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:17,720 be pretty tall by now. Measurement today, they're about 6 ft. 254 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:21,199 Supposed to be eight. So, 255 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:27,760 if they are green giant arborvitaes, they would be approximately 256 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:33,480 I would say about 12 to 15 ft tall with them growing 3 to 5 ft a year. 257 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:38,480 The ones closest to the fence, which are approximately 6 ft tall, 258 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:42,360 those were planted probably March 259 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:46,680 of 2024. Still not 8 ft tall. 260 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:51,400 Again, I question green giant arborvitaes. 261 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:56,080 They were planted three different times. Probably because 262 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:59,400 the first batch died. So, 263 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,240 the ones along the fence, again, are not 8 ft tall. 264 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:08,160 So, the last batch was planted this spring. 265 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,400 So, I don't think they've been in the ground long enough to say they're alive 266 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:15,920 and thriving, which is part of 267 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:19,760 the uh special conditions of the money being released. 268 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:23,440 That's one issue. 269 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Another issue I do have is supposed to be 270 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,360 a double row. Uh there's an area in my section 271 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:35,560 that it's not a double row. It's probably 272 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:40,240 10 to 15 ft wide that might be four or five trees that 273 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:43,360 are missing, maybe. Down on Marion Street, there's a single 274 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,320 row. That's also part of the landscape 275 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:51,520 buffer, which is on the plan considered the 276 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:56,800 condo buffer. Then, 277 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,800 I don't think it's on the plan. 278 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:04,440 So, again, I question the type of trees, and this gets a little interesting. 279 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Along my fence, there's two different types of trees planted. 280 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,920 So, if they are one of them is green giant arborvitaes, the other one clearly 281 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,920 isn't. You can go up there and take a look. You 282 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:21,000 can see that there's two different types of trees. So, I don't know what they 283 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,720 are. So, 284 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:28,840 with this question, I had an app on my phone. 285 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:32,280 It's called Picture This. And then it identifies trees and weeds 286 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:37,600 and bushes and flowers. 287 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:41,240 It's 90 to 95% accurate. Not 100, but 288 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:45,200 90 to 95. So, on June 23rd, I took a couple of 289 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:50,680 pictures of two of the trees in the back that abutted my property. 290 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:56,520 Those pictures came back as, and bear with me here, a Thuja 291 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,520 occidentalis. 292 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:04,600 The other one is a Platycladus orientalis. 293 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:09,640 That's just the botanical name of them. That's what came back from my AI on the 294 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:15,240 on the phone of taking the picture. So, questioning the AI 295 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:18,560 the following day, June 24th, I took pictures of two other trees along 296 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,360 the fence. Two separate than the ones I took 297 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:26,920 the day before. Those came back identified as the same 298 00:20:24,360 --> 00:20:34,280 two that I just mentioned, the occidentalis and the orientalis. 299 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:38,080 So, again questioning and I went down to Marion Street and took pictures of the 300 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:41,960 two down there. Two of the ones down there came back as 301 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:48,160 two of the ones along the fence, the Thuja occidentalis. 302 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:51,160 After that day, I said, you know, "What are green giants?" 303 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:55,520 So, I went and I drove to Village Nursery up on 304 00:20:53,200 --> 00:21:00,280 Route 1A in Norfolk. I got on the street up there and I asked 305 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:05,600 the guy, "Do you have any green giants?" He said, "Yeah, we got some over there." 306 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:09,800 So, he gave me the card off the green giant. However, I snapped a picture of 307 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:13,560 that with the same picture this app that I have. 308 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:18,280 That picture came back as the 309 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:23,320 Thuja plicata, which is a western red cedar 310 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,640 Green Giant. This is what he gave me at the Village 311 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:31,360 Nursery. So, again, going back, I'm saying, you 312 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:36,480 know, I mean, just check again. 313 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:40,000 So, I went back on the 28th of June, back up to the Village Green Nursery, 314 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:44,760 and I said, you know, do you have any pictures of 315 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:48,680 any plants of these occidentalis and the orientalis? And he 316 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:52,640 said, yes, right here. I took pictures of those up at Village Green, and it 317 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:56,280 confirmed the app that those were what the nursery said 318 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:01,760 they were, the occidentalis and the orientalis. 319 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:06,520 So, I don't think they're Green Giants. 320 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:09,080 That's I did uh stop into the Planning Board 321 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,840 probably about a week or so, and asked if maybe the tree warden could take a 322 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:18,200 look or something like that, and maybe identify these. I didn't hear anything 323 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:24,600 back. So, going by my phone, and the 90 to 95% accurate, 324 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:28,480 I don't think they're Green Giants. So, 325 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:33,080 I don't see the board releasing money back until the landscape plan is 326 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:37,360 completed, double those installed, 8 ft tall, and 327 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:41,280 the type of trees identified. If the ones there are Green Giants, and they 328 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:45,960 come back as what's on the plan, and the plan states uh 329 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:51,920 Thuja standishii and plicata. So, Green Giant is a hybrid 330 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:56,560 of those two things. So, I don't think money should go back 331 00:22:54,280 --> 00:23:00,800 unless they are identified to be Green 332 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:06,440 Green Giant, which is on the plan, note number six unit number eight. 333 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:11,080 And that the double row planted as per plan. 334 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:20,480 So, if the board if the board does release 335 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:25,040 the money, it puts the burden on me 336 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:30,520 to go all the condo to go to the new owner because it's for 337 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:34,480 sale, it's under agreement. The landscape covenant 338 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,520 says these plants are supposed to be done and what's supposed to be done as 339 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,160 per plan. So, that would put the burden on me to 340 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:44,680 go to a new owner who might or might not even know about a landscape covenant. 341 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:48,680 I'm not sure. I would have to go to that owner 342 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:53,880 and under the covenant say, "You are demanded to plant plant these trees 343 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,400 by the board." I think that's not fair to the potential 344 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:01,760 new owner. So, I think the developer is responsible 345 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,960 for this and why should the burden go on me and the condos? 346 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:09,240 The condos are not in the deed, they're also part of the landscape covenant. 347 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:15,880 So, if uh 348 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:19,360 if it does go back and the developer walks away, 349 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:24,400 gets his money, probably profit, 350 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:28,760 and again, it leaves the burden up to us to force a rule that is part of the 351 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:32,000 special conditions of the site plan approval. 352 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,480 I do have pictures on my phone. I couldn't print them cuz I don't know how 353 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,760 to do it. But, 354 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:41,360 I do have pictures to prove what I'm stating on my phone from the app Picture 355 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,640 This. I want to 356 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:46,480 thank the board for listening to my concerns. 357 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:51,720 And you can certainly 358 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:54,160 take it from there. Thank you. >> Well, 359 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,680 so you understand, that's the purpose of residents hearing. 360 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,440 It is if there's people find something wrong not done that may not been 361 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,480 overlooked. This was started almost 30 years ago. 362 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,960 Actually it's by me because I got tired of going to town meeting and someone 363 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:11,160 said, "Well, this is no good." Well, you said that in a residence area. This is 364 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:15,120 where were you with the residence area? So, that's why we do it. And the second 365 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:19,040 thing is we don't release until it's 100%. 366 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,600 Okay? Now, one of the problems >> you know the history of the land anyway. 367 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:26,800 10 years ago basically for the same reason. Mr. 368 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:30,320 Marine cleared cut. So, here I am again looking for the privacy that we lost 369 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,280 over 15 years ago. >> Yeah. The only plus is we got rid of 370 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,680 that Japanese crap, whatever that was. >> It's still there, but 371 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,840 » Don't bring it up. Yeah, it's still there, but let's not bring it up. 372 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,280 I don't know >> But, anyway 373 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,680 » owner knows anything about the >> one of the issues is and unfortunately 374 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,560 town engineer when they go do the inspection, they're used to doing it, 375 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:55,080 but they got to look at everything which include the landscape plan. So, my 376 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:59,280 recommendation is it's not done and that we should send a 377 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,080 note to what's his name? 378 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,320 » Steve Mayor. >> Whoever was the 379 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,520 » There's a letter from him. >> Oh, there is? 380 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,440 » Yeah. >> From the tree warden? 381 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,960 » Yep. >> Oh, that was good. Oh, really? I didn't 382 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,560 see it. >> Yes, yeah. It's what you have in your 383 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,160 left hand. >> This one? 384 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,760 » Yeah, the one below it. >> The next one? 385 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,600 Yeah, he checked Yeah, okay. He checked the new ones that have been planted, but 386 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,600 he didn't go through and as >> Yeah. 387 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:31,240 » Mr. Lynch just said, "Yeah, that's great. The new ones he planted up, but 388 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,800 he he's missing trees." That's what you are talking about. 389 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,960 » Well, I no doubt about it. On the plan there's trees missing. There's supposed 390 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,200 to be a double row, there's a single row. So, that's 391 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:42,720 » Yeah, what they need he needs to do is go up there and check off what's been 392 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,520 done, what hasn't, and then verify the species. 393 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,000 » Yeah, it looks like he has a case. >> Yes, yes. That's basically what I'm 394 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,960 looking for is to make sure it's on the plan and that 395 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,960 » I have a video if you want to see. >> I 396 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,240 No, this this >> This is what gets me is that 397 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,880 they should go up and check what's on the plan, not just go 398 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,160 Yeah. 6 ft in the pants. 399 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:06,040 » They are like 6 ft tall. >> Excuse me? 400 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,160 » They are like 6 ft tall. They are not tall at all. 401 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,400 » Oh, you would have >> Yeah, I've I've seen it. Yeah. So. 402 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:16,000 Who's the uh Should we uh >> And I I my personal opinion is they're 403 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:20,960 certainly not driving. >> Tell Steve that he should be going 404 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:24,000 recheck for the plan and check all the species and everything 405 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,840 to make sure it's done in accordance with the approval. 406 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,160 » And the number of rows. >> Yeah. 407 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,600 » Mhm. >> Yeah, there's definitely one row. 408 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:35,320 » Yeah. So, and he should coordinate that with 409 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:41,920 Those drawings. >> Uh the drawings? 410 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:46,120 » Between Saheb and Mr. Lynch here. 411 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,040 You got We got your phone or email? >> I can certainly give you my phone 412 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,720 number. >> Give it to Sarah so she can 413 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,640 call you when they're going to go. Or he can call you as soon as when they're 414 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,960 going to meet. >> Sure. Fine. 415 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,520 » So, you understand what happened? You haven't finished. 416 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,760 » Um just I wanted quickly I explain that. 417 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:09,320 » Mhm? >> Um I know he mentioned that uh we did 418 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:13,000 not pull the permit before The permit was issued after we planted the first 419 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,280 batch, but there was no water in that, so that's when it died. 420 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,880 » No, I understand that. We can't go back on that. The thing is we want to make 421 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:23,240 sure it's done right. So, I don't care if you plant them at the right time. If 422 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,040 they're planted now and they're growing, that's all we care about. So, don't 423 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:29,440 worry about when they're planted, just as long as it's done according to the 424 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,440 plan and everything's healthy and growing. 425 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:36,600 » The two things I want to mention they asked us to put 49 trees. We did 426 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,400 almost 70 trees in there. >> How many trees? 427 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,360 » And around that condo, we couldn't do the 428 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:46,040 second row. Uh but we were did the very close to 429 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:49,960 each other because there was a slope in it. And I did speak to the 430 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:54,120 engineer and I explained him that there is nothing we can offer there so that's 431 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,640 » That's fine but you got guys out there hip shooting. You have a plan to go by 432 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,760 that's approved. >> Yeah. 433 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,160 » All right. When you you know if it was like a balance right you just can't 434 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,600 change your size your thing on the fly cuz the 435 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,880 builders is I can't do this I want to do that. 436 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,240 » No no no it's not because I can't do it because there is a slope. 437 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,160 » I understand the slope but that's what the guy planned the trees. 438 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,600 » Yes. >> But what should have come in it should 439 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,560 have come back to us saying hey we can't do this what can we do? 440 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,520 » Okay. >> But you bypass that by just doing it on 441 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:25,480 the fly with the landscaper. >> Okay. But we did bring that to the 442 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:29,240 engineering department just but I understand that I should 443 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,840 » you can get this all straightened out by next time okay? 444 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:37,200 You we'll give you this back so you don't lose it. 445 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:40,360 So. And we have naturally we have your email 446 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,760 and so on. 447 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,200 So. Yes. 448 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,680 Well. Yeah yeah 449 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:54,520 what's going to happen is I hope you and you with 450 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,400 tree warden out there and you can point this stuff out. Who knows maybe some of 451 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,080 the trees are better than what was on the plan which would be great for 452 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:05,600 everybody. But you you're going to be notified in the meeting and if I was you 453 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,600 if you can make it that's when you go but he's going to have to come back when 454 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,800 it's when the they bless us that it's all done going to plan. Okay. 455 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,640 Yeah. 456 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:24,520 Okay all right. All right so let it let us know when if 457 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,080 you get it all done we can always put you on on the 20th 458 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,880 August okay? >> Okay. 459 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:35,080 » Anyone else? I don't think anyone else in Marion or 460 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,080 no okay. 461 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,200 Yeah that one over. 462 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:45,120 Good. All right. 463 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:52,560 Next ones. Okay, we have 464 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:56,920 request Ross Common. This is 24 Marion. We'll trade it. 465 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,240 » Good evening. >> Hello. 466 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,760 » Uh for the record, Eric Guy is a registered professional engineer, Strong 467 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:24,760 Point Engineering, representing Whitman Homes for Ross Common. 468 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:30,160 Uh we are before you for two items tonight. One for a bond reduction and 469 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:34,160 one for a recommendation to the select board for street acceptance uh 470 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:40,320 pertaining to the portions of the project that relate to Emerald Way and 471 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:45,040 Kilronan in Park only. Uh those ways have been completed entirely. We have 472 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,800 letters from the engineering department indicating that they are satisfied. Uh 473 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:53,080 we also have letters from the building department. We've received a partial 474 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,120 certificate of compliance for everything related to Emerald Way 475 00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,600 and Kilronan from the Conservation Commission. 476 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:05,280 Um the Neponset Valley Trustees who hold the CR on the project have sent a letter 477 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:09,440 indicating that they are satisfied. And I believe today, later in the day, um a 478 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:15,480 letter came through from the HOA indicating the same thing. Um so the the 479 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:19,320 town engineer's office in a letter on July 15th 480 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:25,120 outlined what we're looking for for a bond reduction with regard to Emerald 481 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:31,480 Way and Kilronan, which is 200,000 and change, and leaves about 210,000 and 482 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:35,200 change in the bond. Um and then, as I mentioned, the second order of business, 483 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:39,200 we are approaching the town uh closing of the warrant, and we would like to get 484 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,640 on um for street acceptance for Emerald and Kill Ronan. So, we're hoping for a 485 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:47,520 Well, we're asking for a recommendation from the board to the select board. 486 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,600 So, those are really the final points. I'm glad to answer any questions. 487 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,200 » All right. So, I'm going to hit the gorilla right 488 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,920 as you know where I'm going to hit. What's going on with GG's? 489 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,480 » So, yeah, either the applicant or legal counsel 490 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:05,920 can probably help speak to that as well. GG's Way is not under the development 491 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:11,160 control. >> I'm sorry? 492 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:16,160 » It's under the bond figure is under us. I don't know what you guys did, but it's 493 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,280 under us. One developer, one bond, whole deal. 494 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,640 » Okay. Well, couple of things. 495 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,720 » Well, unless unless your attorney is going to tell me how in Massachusetts 496 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:27,880 law you can just slide and sell a subdivision. You can't. 497 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,040 » You know what? I'm going to let him tell you. 498 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:40,520 » Uh good evening. Christopher Simpson here for Whitman Homes. 499 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:46,920 So, in terms of GG's Way, 500 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:51,000 you know, we're here essentially on a partial 501 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,880 type of um satisfactory completion scenario. 502 00:33:54,453 --> 00:34:00,480 » [snorts] >> Um I believe section 316 of the 503 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,480 subdivision control bylaw 504 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:09,440 provides for that. You know, GG's Way, whenever the 505 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:12,919 whoever owns the parcel of land associated with I think it's lot 30 or 506 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,000 something like that. Whenever they decide to develop it, 507 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,320 that's when um the rest of whatever's going to happen 508 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,720 with GG's Way will happen. And that's why we're not touching the bond with 509 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:27,440 relate regard to that. That's not what we're seeking. 510 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:30,960 » let's get the brass tacks. Who owns GG Way? You guys? 511 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,240 You responsible to finish it, build the bond, build the paddock? 512 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,679 » No. >> Well, that's wrong. So, let's stop right 513 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,240 there. >> that's wrong. 514 00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:40,760 » Don't don't don't don't don't >> Hold on, guys. 515 00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:44,159 » I did this four or five years ago. >> Don't 516 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:46,399 You stop, you're out. >> Can we 517 00:34:45,399 --> 00:34:50,000 » You have no objection. >> Chris, can you prove to us how you've 518 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,480 sold GG's Way you can do that with under the current subdivision law? 519 00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:58,120 How you can subrogate your responsibilities? 520 00:34:56,679 --> 00:35:02,520 » Well, >> When it was sold, it was approved as one 521 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:08,440 big open space. And the bond figures have for 522 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:11,360 Ross Commons and GG's. And we had a fight long time ago. He didn't want to 523 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,480 listen to me about the paddock and bonds. He says, "I don't build it." I 524 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:20,320 don't care. You bought this from the owner, you're stuck with it. 525 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:26,800 » Right. And tonight, for the purposes of our hearing, what we're trying to do is 526 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,880 Kilronan Park and Emerald Way. >> Yeah, I understand. 527 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,040 » Those are all done. And there's there's lots of 528 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,560 » Okay, so when I was doing >> residents on those streets that are 529 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,040 looking >> In other words, I should say, "Okay, 530 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:38,680 here you go. You can have that and this will be out there." No. 531 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:43,120 You're going to make it whole. So, why don't you make it whole? Why would Why 532 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,520 would I as a town official give up my leverage 533 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,360 to get the other part done? You want to take us to court over that? Have fun, 534 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,240 because you're going to end up in court over GG's Way and you're going to lose 535 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:57,680 that. So, everybody goes to own GG Way, GG Way. The guy who bought that lot 536 00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:01,040 cannot own the road. He can't own That's still part of the subdivision. 537 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:07,120 We have bond figures for that which were never disputed. Didn't like the price of 538 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:09,960 the paddock and the bond, but GG's Way Is that two separate plans we have, 539 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,920 Chris? No, one. 540 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:19,760 » However, I mean, under your subdivision control regulations, 3-16 541 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,960 says when only a portion of the streets or other improvements 542 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,240 » You're going to tell me something I've known for the last 35 years. Don't do 543 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,960 that. >> Okay. 544 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:31,040 » Why don't you come across and figure out GG's way. 545 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:34,560 » Well, because there's a lots of residents on those on Keron and Park and 546 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,120 Memory Way who want their streets accepted. 547 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:41,320 » But you're telling me you don't own it. >> I I never said anything about 548 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:44,280 » You said you're not responsible for it. I just heard from him that he doesn't 549 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,120 own it. >> I didn't say I didn't own it. 550 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,040 » So, >> you're telling me I would just heard 551 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,400 tonight, unless I'm stupid, I heard that it's up [clears throat] to the guy who 552 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:57,720 bought that lot to finish it. >> In in fact, the person who owned it owns 553 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:02,440 it and has to come back to this planning board for a special covenant before a 554 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:06,320 building permit can be issued. That's in your decision. 555 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,680 » Yeah, that's fine, but he doesn't own the road. 556 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,000 You do. >> You said you you want to give up 557 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:16,360 leverage and you still have leverage because the owner of lot 30 has to come 558 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,280 back to this planning board for a special covenant according to your 559 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,920 decision. >> Finish the road. 560 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,800 » Well, look, when whoever's going to develop 561 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:32,320 that lot, lot 30, 562 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:38,920 undertakes that development, then GG's Way will need to be completed 563 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:43,320 and you have a bond for that. We're not asking for 564 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,960 » understand if we have his bond, but someone else got to do it. That 565 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,480 doesn't make sense. >> Well, 566 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:52,160 but Jack, they're not going to finish the road until they someone decides to 567 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,920 develop that parcel. >> Chris, since you're so good at 568 00:37:53,480 --> 00:38:00,800 subdivision control, how many years do you got on a bond to 569 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:02,280 do a subdivision? Mass General Laws. I mean, 570 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:05,920 » 2 years. >> Well, I haven't seen you guys come back 571 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,800 for extensions anytime since that, except maybe once. So, if we're going to 572 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,280 cite the laws, we're going to cite the laws. 573 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,080 » Okay. But that's 574 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,640 » now, you you're really in default. The fact that you never asked for 575 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,080 extensions, this board has never given you an extension. That's what you're 576 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,680 supposed to do. And if you read it correctly, after the end of 2 years, you 577 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:24,000 haven't done it, we've got to taken in the bond. 578 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,400 » With regard to >> Everything. 579 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,600 » Well, I mean I I would suggest that at this 580 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,200 point you've got absolutely complete of roadways for Kilronan 581 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,160 and >> Yeah, and I got it but I'm getting 582 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:41,600 everybody's pushing back on GG's. That's been day one. He pushed back originally. 583 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,800 Right? All of a sudden because he got sold a bill of goods by a 584 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,720 fast and loose developer. >> And and that could end up in litigation 585 00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:54,880 itself, but >> No, it's not going to because per our 586 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:58,640 approval you need to build the paddock and the bond. 587 00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:01,760 » I'm saying with the uh 588 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:05,440 where the where the ownership of that originated with 589 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:10,720 and that could end up in litigation, but we need to get through this process 590 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:14,840 and get these two roads accepted, get them to the uh select board. 591 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:19,880 » Okay, so now all of a sudden you're pushing like 592 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,080 right now. Right now you got to prove it. 593 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,800 Where you've been for the last five, six years? 594 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:28,960 » Well, we've got town meeting coming up, Jack. 595 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:32,320 » No, no, town meeting's every six months as you know. 596 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,960 » Well, we they just finished all the stuff on I mean we've got through the 597 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,280 process. >> boom, we're done, we want to go. 598 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,920 But now no one has ever addressed GG's. GG's is over here. Matter of fact, do we 599 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,880 have Do you have a copy of that email that said they don't own it? 600 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,000 » I don't think so. >> You told me you had it. 601 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,520 » Don't don't control >> Um it would be in your packet. 602 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,080 » Well, there's a little bit of a you know, there's a convoluted history to 603 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,800 that and >> I know right from the day I was here 604 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:02,040 from day one and and the guys had to deal with a convoluted to begin with. 605 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,040 Let them sue me. I don't care, but that was a piece of crap up there what they 606 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,200 did, everything, okay? And I've had to deal with it ever since. 607 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,160 » Yeah. And I I'm not going to 608 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,800 you know, we're not here to disagree with 609 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:21,240 the GG's way has its issues, but all we're trying to do tonight is just 610 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:26,560 get the residents on Kilronan and Emerald Way so to the next stage so that 611 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:29,640 they can get their roadway accepted and move on with life and we're going to 612 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,760 have to deal with GG's >> What about the residents on GG's then? 613 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:38,440 We're just hanging them out to dry. I've been here for 9 years 614 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:43,120 and we've gone over this like repeatedly and by doing that we're just leaving 615 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,600 those people on GG's. Nothing's going to happen. It's just going to sit keep 616 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,560 sitting there like it has and that's not fair to them 617 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:55,720 either. So I understand that the people on the other two roads want to get 618 00:40:52,920 --> 00:41:01,320 signed off. I get that but it was approved as one and how can we say we'll 619 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,880 take care of you guys but we won't take care of them? 620 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,280 » Because your subdivision regulations allow you 621 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,520 that's what they they say. >> Okay, do you want me to start reciting 622 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,280 the stuff that I just did? Don't go there. We've we've been done that. You 623 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,720 haven't got extension yet. Two years have done it. You get maybe one 624 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:21,160 extension so you want to start with that fight and now all of a sudden you're 625 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:25,440 done let's go. No, enough with reciting. I know what it says. We all know what it 626 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:30,080 says. All right, enough with that but we also know what you haven't done. How's 627 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:34,480 that? What you haven't done. But that doesn't count. We just here 628 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:38,760 just to get it done. So the other thing a point is if release it 629 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,200 guess what? There's a homeowners association Mr. Ross Collins, correct? 630 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,520 » That's correct. >> For the whole thing including GG's? 631 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,960 » Um >> It has to be. 632 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,160 » Yes. >> It has to be. 633 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:54,840 » There's actually a recorded document that the planning board probably has 634 00:41:52,040 --> 00:42:02,360 from early documents that we provided. Lot 30 and open space parcel one is not 635 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,800 part of the uh HOA 636 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,120 for Emerald Way and Kilronan. >> I don't recall that because I'm sitting 637 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,400 here and we wouldn't approve unless you did that with the conservation, but more 638 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:18,240 importantly, if it's part of the HOA, the HOA if this ever falls through, 639 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,560 then the town would have to come back to the HOA and make them build it. 640 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:26,680 » to provide the board with that maintenance agreement from the 641 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:30,720 homeowners association relative to lot 30, GG's Way, and open space 642 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,400 possible. >> Yeah. All right, so that's that's just a 643 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,839 maintenance agreement. >> Yeah. 644 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,760 » Okay. >> [snorts] 645 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:43,320 » The maintenance agreement doesn't say GG's Way. It just says OSP 1. Lot 30 is 646 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:46,560 responsible for OSP >> I'm going to let open it up to I assume 647 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:49,120 the residents. Oh, by the way, we weren't going to release it anyway, 648 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,920 because as you know, you have to have a residence here and you didn't do that 649 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,160 either. >> I mean, our our major objective is to 650 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,560 get this 651 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,960 » This land and let GG's sit over there for another 30 years. 652 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:04,880 » Well, to get to get the those two roads that are complete to the selectmen so 653 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:08,280 they can go through the next steps. >> Right. Okay, now it's a big rush, but 654 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:12,360 GG's been sitting there with base course for what, last 7 years? 655 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,920 » 11. Well, I mean, you know, 656 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:18,720 » While the dirt sat there since >> Wyman has been developing, you know, 657 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,800 » I know what they've been doing, but they I never came in for an extension over 658 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,280 the last I can't remember the last extension. 659 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,800 So, if you want to go by Mass General Laws, 660 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:31,640 we could take your bond right now. And you wouldn't have a shot in hell 661 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,560 because it's over the 2 years, you never asked for the extensions. 662 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:38,760 Legally, we'd take it. You want to fight that battle? I don't think so. 663 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,600 » Well, again, 664 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,960 we're just trying to get this over to the selectmen for the That that's our 665 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:49,640 major objective. >> I'm trying to get it so to protect the 666 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:53,600 town and protect what we approved, protect the residents and everything up 667 00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,760 there. That's all. But, 668 00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:01,120 and I'm certainly you don't want the town to take over the bond because they 669 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:04,080 could chew up $700,000 in just police details in a day up there. So, I mean, 670 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,960 yeah. Anyway, um Um, 671 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:11,560 with that being said, I'm going to let the residents, since they're here 672 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,560 anyway, so I can hear from them. 673 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:29,560 » Hi, my name is Ariel D'Angelo. I'm at 654 North Street, and I also have 674 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:32,880 letters from my other neighbors who couldn't come tonight, but also wanted 675 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:38,160 to have their opinions on the matter shared, um, signed as well. And we 676 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:42,680 request that the board withholds releasing any additional funds or 677 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:46,320 approving these roads until the significant items that are outstanding 678 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:50,000 on this bond are completed, not limited to the top coat of paving of Gigi's Way 679 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,800 and the construction of the barn and the paddock. They were represented as part 680 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,160 of the approved development. These improvements were not incidental 681 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,640 features, and they were material components of the project and formed 682 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:03,840 part of the expectations established by the approval process. As abutting 683 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,600 property owners, we've watched these outstanding commitments remain 684 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:11,120 unresolved for years on the this side of the development, whereas many 685 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,720 improvements and developments have been made on the other side of Kilronan and 686 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:18,240 Emerald. We're disappointed that these matters have persisted for such an 687 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:22,160 extended period without being brought to completion. The purpose of the a 688 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:27,680 performance bond is to ensure that the required improvements are completed as 689 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,840 approved, and release bond funds before these obligations have been satisfied 690 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:34,560 would undermine the purpose of this bond. We respectfully ask the town to 691 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:38,960 ensure that all the bonded work is completed, inspected, and confirmed to 692 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:43,080 be in full compliance with the approved plans before any bond funds are 693 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:48,120 released. We also request to be notified of any meetings or decisions 694 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:53,680 to continue this on, um, as appropriate. Um, 695 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,680 thank you very much. 696 00:45:53,840 --> 00:46:00,080 » Anyone else who the audience J- uh, yeah, G- she's no 697 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:04,280 one's on J's Ross Common. All right. Um, 698 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,520 now, let me just read something that will clarify where we were going. It was 699 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:12,960 a letter May 18th from Strong Point. What it said is, "The remainder of the 700 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:19,000 bond includes $88,000 for work on GG's Way. That portion of the project is 701 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:23,120 owned and by and under control of others." So, therefore, Strong Point has 702 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:26,040 indicated this is owned by someone else. So. 703 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,600 Um >> Can I ask you a question? What's the 704 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,520 date on that letter? >> May 18th. 705 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:35,080 » Yeah, you have the old dated letter. That letter was since revised and sent 706 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,600 back to the board. So, you should be reading from a letter dated June 30th 707 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:43,160 that came from my office. And quoting it correctly. Thank you. 708 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:47,240 » Oh, so we we pulled that one back cuz of this. Okay, fine. 709 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,960 » But was that a mistake? Was that misworded? 710 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:53,200 » It was misworded in my mind. >> Misworded? 711 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:56,560 God, misworded. >> It's not that funny. 712 00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:01,000 » No, I've heard misworded. I've also heard scrivener's error enough Yeah, and 713 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:05,600 I think it's funny the fact that all of a sudden someone says, "No." 714 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:08,280 But how was it corrected? >> In the letter that you sent me. 715 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,640 » Yeah, but how was How was it given to you corrected? 716 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,480 » What's that? >> How was it given to you today? 717 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:16,240 » I had a conversation with my client and I got a better I corrected my 718 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:18,760 misunderstanding. >> Let me see. 719 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,480 Does it say anything? 720 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,320 » Took it out. It took that paragraph 721 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,760 » No. All right. So, your letter We got your 722 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,600 letter June 30th, you said, and you corrected it. 723 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,400 All right. Um 724 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,120 I wouldn't say it corrected cuz you just took the whole thing out. So, that's not 725 00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,960 necessarily a correction. >> Because it's not what was said. 726 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,720 » Yeah, but usually people when they correct something they said this was 727 00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:01,040 incorrectly You just pulled it out. So, I'm not going to argue 728 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,200 semantics on this. Um 729 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:13,120 We have the problem of GG's, and to accept the road now is we are losing our 730 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:20,520 what do you call it? Ability to get this done correctly and 731 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,520 quickly. So, 732 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,200 » So, Jack, I I understand >> Well, here's the other thing, you're not 733 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:30,640 getting the Even if we were like nice guys, you you can't get it on the wire 734 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,640 anyway, it's too late. 735 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,320 » I don't believe that's true. >> I don't think so. 736 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,480 » I think if you guys >> You have to have a residence hearing. 737 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,120 » That can happen that 738 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:47,040 » That can happen when? >> That can happen after your If you folks 739 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:50,440 say these two roads are >> No. No. 740 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,920 » So, they had a residence hearing like the night before town meeting. Uh 741 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,280 the last >> Really? 742 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,880 » I don't think that's ever happened. >> I think they did. That's what we heard. 743 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,680 from staff, yeah. >> How long have I been sitting here? 744 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,160 » You know that >> Since '92. I did and we've done it and I 745 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:09,200 was the one that brought it up. The residence hearing, what happens is it 746 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:14,080 goes out to the notice of all residents on the road. They're invited here when 747 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:17,760 the when they request a bond release and they come in just like we had on Marion 748 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:22,120 Way right before and they get to have any issues. And if there's no issues, 749 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:26,720 then we release the bond, but you have to send out the letter 750 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,640 to all the abutters on the street to say, "Hey, we're having this and if you 751 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:34,480 got any questions or your comments or your 752 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:38,080 problems, come to this." So, the next meeting isn't till August 20th. 753 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:46,680 » It's within your power and jurisdiction to say we've got 754 00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:50,400 everything from the town departments saying that this is complete. We can 755 00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:54,480 make a recommendation that the selectmen take it up. 756 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:59,240 The residence hearing still occur as long as it's before town meeting and the 757 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:03,840 selectmen are able to hear what the town what the residents have to 758 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:07,240 say, it can move forward. I mean, that's what we would be asking for. 759 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:11,160 » You're asking a lot. You're asking special favors for something like this 760 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:14,920 and it doesn't deserve special favors. And the reason you can't do it like that 761 00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:20,240 is if it goes on the warrant and there's problems at the residents hearing 762 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,960 we have to release the bond. You want to you know that, I assume you do. 763 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:28,840 » But you're not going to release it until after the residents hearing. 764 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,840 » Yeah, that's the same night. 765 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,400 » The bond The bond release occurs during the 766 00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,760 residents hearing. >> Yep. 767 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:41,080 » So what happens is nobody complains pitches, boom, done. 768 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:45,360 We release the bond at that point and off you go. It's out of our hands, we 769 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,520 send it off to the selectmen. So what you're saying can't happen 770 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,520 because even if they complain or have something before the selectmen before 771 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:56,880 the town meeting, bond's already gone. So nobody has the ability other than the 772 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:59,880 town to fix the road or whatever needs to be fixed and they ain't going to do 773 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:05,120 it and it's going to be a big problem. 774 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:09,720 So you ain't making the fall anyway. But now all of a sudden we got to 775 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:13,600 you know, make special cut throughs and this and that because now we're up 776 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:17,920 against whatever time frame you guys say you have. No. 777 00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:21,680 We go by what we've done forever. It's why the purpose of residents hearing. 778 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:25,760 That way you don't get into a snit. >> Yeah, no, we we definitely don't want to 779 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,040 circumvent the residents hearing. We think that should We know that has to 780 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,880 happen. >> And after the residents hearing, we 781 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:36,600 release the bond. >> Right, but it could be recommend it 782 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,240 could be brought so that it can go and get on the 783 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,960 warrant. >> No, because I go back when you're on the 784 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,800 board, too. We used to have it don't put anything on and then Snuff would never 785 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:50,600 let you take anything off. So we don't put anything on just in case. 786 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,280 » Well, if if the residents hearing when it blows 787 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,240 up >> you know what? When it blows up, it 788 00:51:54,280 --> 00:52:01,160 isn't you and your client, it's this board that looks stupid. Why did you do 789 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:06,800 that? Well, we wanted to help. No. Why don't we do it per the way it's 790 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:10,320 always done? Now, once again, wait till 11th hour and say, "Oh, let's take this 791 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:16,120 shortcut." Well, it should have thought about this probably 792 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:20,160 a year ago rather than an hour ago. So, they ain't getting on the warrant cuz 793 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:23,600 you haven't had the residents hearing. >> Yeah, I'm 794 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,160 it could be done the other way, but if you don't 795 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,280 » It could be? >> Yeah. 796 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:31,720 » Once again, we have the residents hearing. Then we release the bond. It 797 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:35,000 can't be put on the warrant until the bond is released. 798 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:40,640 Because it becomes now in the selectmen. And the selectmen don't have to take it. 799 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:45,320 They always do, but they don't have to take it. So, once we declare 800 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:50,200 residents are happy, everybody's happy, you don't have to the bond's done. 801 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:53,240 It's out of this place and it's off to never land and the selectmen 802 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,320 to take it out. >> it's certainly within your power to say 803 00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,400 you're not going to recommend it because you're not going to recommend it until 804 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,920 the residents hearing happen, but I do believe you could 805 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:08,600 do it the way that we're requesting. >> If you are asking us as a board to do 806 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:12,000 something, once again, I'll say as I said many times other people, you want 807 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,040 us to be part of the problem and solve it, but we don't 808 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,240 we don't get any of the riches from that, so to speak. 809 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:22,760 You want us to do something out of the way just to help you. 810 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:27,000 What what is the benefit for this town, for us, for the residents? None. 811 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:31,240 » Well, I think there's a benefit to the people who live on those streets cuz 812 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,320 they want to have their streets become public ways. 813 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:38,040 » They're already What What's going to change once it 814 00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,480 becomes accepted? Anything? >> Yes. 815 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:41,760 » What? >> Uh 816 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:46,240 they're going to have public town services that 817 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,480 » They already have town services. >> But they're going to be 818 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,040 » they got they got the mail wherever they put it, 819 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,720 whatever the mail that has nothing to do with us, but they plowed. That's one of 820 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,960 the things I've never liked about the town. They'll plow subdivision. That's 821 00:53:55,480 --> 00:54:01,640 why they languished for 100 years. Who's plowed Ross Commons all these years? It 822 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:05,280 was certainly not you guys. >> Yeah. Well, it becomes legit, and I 823 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:11,600 think that's what people who live on a road way want that. 824 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,840 So, anyway, but so 825 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:20,000 » My opinion is I'm just going to until you guys come up with a plan on 826 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:25,880 how you're going to solve this GG's with this, I'm not I'm my vote is 827 00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:25,880 [clears throat] no release at all. 828 00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:31,120 » Well, again, you guys have to 829 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,600 » I'm only one of You got four members here, they can decide. I'm only speaking 830 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,840 for myself. >> Right. I mean, 831 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:40,440 the the board does have the discretion under 832 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:46,000 um I mean, we have two separate things 833 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:48,720 here, right? One is recommending that this go to the next stage with the 834 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,680 selectmen, okay? 835 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:55,920 I believe that's something that should happen so that it can at least get on 836 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,480 the warrant if it >> Sure. Ma'am, ma'am. 837 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,360 So, we're not at It's on a roundabout. 838 00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:08,720 » So, that at least has the opportunity to get on on the warrant. 839 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:13,960 Um in terms of the release of the bond, um I can understand that you don't want 840 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:18,920 to do that. Now, again, we're only talking about the bond for 841 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,880 Coronan and Emerald, >> Okay. 842 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:23,040 » leaving GG's way there. >> All right. 843 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,400 » But that you're going to have wait until >> about this? 844 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:31,280 We could always say that Ross Commons is all set, but we don't reduce the bond. 845 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:38,880 » I mean, I suppose that's within your purview in it it 846 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:42,960 for the simple fact that you said hey you've already blown the two years so I 847 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,433 mean you guys if you wanted to you could guys could go after the bond so you I 848 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,240 think that's within your purview [snorts] if you wanted to. 849 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:53,840 » Did you hear what I just said? You're so 850 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:57,680 pushing getting the road accepted fine. So we just hold the bond at that amount 851 00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:02,080 or any amount. What's recommended by town engineering isn't 852 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:07,840 by law or whatever we can make our own decision. We can say fine. 853 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:10,280 We we leave reduce by a buck and then go. 854 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,160 So If if you 855 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:19,640 you guys are so adamant on getting it accepted fine. But 856 00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:25,280 as long as I'm looking to have the big hammer that gets GG's done. So 857 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,280 I reduce it by a dollar and send it on to the selectmen. 858 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,640 » I don't feel comfortable moving it at all. 859 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,960 » But the other problem you still have is you going 860 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,800 We still got their money. And well their their insurance but the 861 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,640 other thing is they're not going to make the residents whole and cape no matter 862 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,640 what. 863 00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:49,920 It would have had to been done tonight. >> It's the same and I'm sorry Chris. It's 864 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:54,840 the same discussion. I mean we've had the discussion over and over 865 00:56:52,480 --> 00:57:00,400 and you come back and nothing's changed. So that's where I'm puzzled like 866 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:04,520 something's got to give. We can't just throw those people 867 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:09,440 I mean that's our responsibility is we approved the subdivision 868 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:14,240 in my eyes I understand you can cite all the lines and everything in there but we 869 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:17,920 approved something in my in my eyes my job is to protect neighbors. 870 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,840 And by approving part of it 871 00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:25,520 we're not protecting the neighbors cuz those people who live in GG and those 872 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:30,520 people who are direct abutters to GG or impacted by GG 873 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:35,320 they're going to be living in limbo like this. I don't see any change happening 874 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:38,440 based on what I've seen from sitting in this seat. 875 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:42,280 And that's why I don't feel comfortable moving it 876 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:46,960 anywhere at all. I want to see something happen for those 877 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,160 people. It's not it's just not fair to them. 878 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,400 » Fair enough. I'm not going to disagree that 879 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:57,480 there's not going to be any change until someone actually develops that parcel 880 00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:04,080 30. That's going to be the trigger. I know that there's some sale that's 881 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:08,240 contemplated on that currently, but you still have the criteria that's in 882 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,840 this um subdivision control law that allows 883 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:17,000 you to do what we're asking for. And I think you have all the 884 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:21,520 documentation showing that everything is done on these roads. 885 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:25,520 So, that's that's where we're coming from on this. 886 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:29,400 You know. >> Well, we have whatever you say, but we 887 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:32,480 also have the big gorilla over here, the 2 years and everything else. And you 888 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:36,440 just said something that I find very interesting is it's not going to be 889 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,200 developed till someone buys it. >> Uh I 890 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,720 » 20 years, 20 years? >> I'm not going to I'm not going to stand 891 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:44,600 up here and tell you something that isn't true. I mean, that's the way 892 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,960 » be done It could be done tomorrow. You agree? 893 00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,840 » You're talking in the theory. I mean, anything can happen in theory, right? 894 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,560 » Tomorrow you could have a paving machine up there, put the sidewalks in, knock 895 00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:00,920 down the big pile of dirt, build the paddock, build the bond. It could be 896 00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:05,000 done. >> In theory. 897 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,000 » reason it's not being done? 898 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:11,280 It all comes down to >> Well, I mean, when someone develops that 899 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:14,320 parcel, there's going to be funds for doing all that stuff. 900 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,480 » No, there's no funds. We don't When someone builds applies for building 901 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:21,320 permit, it has nothing to do with us. We do the roads. 902 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,200 » Well, I mean, you know, it is 903 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:26,480 » We have no control over who builds what they build there. They can build any any 904 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,720 single family residence they want. We don't control that. 905 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:34,600 » And that's why you guys have the bond. >> For GG's way and the accessory stuff, 906 00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:38,200 which includes the paddock and the bond. That's what we want done. 907 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:41,080 I don't I'm not sitting here waiting for somebody to decide uh I'm going to build 908 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,320 it and then if I hear one more time, "Oh, you wrecked the road." I don't 909 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,080 care. >> Mhm. 910 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:50,360 » Fix the road if you wreck it, but it's not up to us to let this thing languish. 911 00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:55,160 Well, so the only reason why I here tonight 912 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,440 » I've heard a couple different >> reasons, but the bigger reason is 913 00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,640 you're just waiting for someone to develop it. 914 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,480 » That doesn't fold for subdivision control. 915 01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:09,040 There's nothing in there about developing individual parcels on a 916 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,440 subdivision. >> I'm just telling you that 917 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,600 my understanding of the reality of the finances of the situation, Jack, 918 01:00:14,331 --> 01:00:18,120 [snorts] and >> Yeah, and guess what? If you don't have 919 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,000 the finances, don't do it. It's a business. Now, am I supposed to be here 920 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:26,000 as a [clears throat] town being part of your financial package to help, but then 921 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:29,520 they go down to the bank with all the money and we just sit here and get zero. 922 01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:34,280 We're not partners in this. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, ultimately 923 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,000 what happened with GG's was 924 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:44,760 uh something that SR2 sort of 925 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:49,080 uh sprung, if you will. I mean, they sort of sprung what happened there on my 926 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:51,000 guys and we'd like to get through this, Jack. 927 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,160 » Well, I don't know how it could >> And then we can deal with 928 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,000 » Chris, I don't know how it could have been sprung because this was already 929 01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,200 approved and signed >> Back in years ago. 930 01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:04,480 » Yeah, no, I understand. I was here for that. And it got approved. We had a 931 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:09,880 whole plan including the paddock and this and that. It was approved and the 932 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:11,960 the decision went to SR2 Ventures. >> Yeah. 933 01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:15,520 » And your client bought it from them. So, this was a done deal. Everything that 934 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:19,320 we're talking about today, that paddock and and bond didn't just drop out of the 935 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:22,800 sky. That's always been there. >> I'm not disputing that, Jack. 936 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,920 » Yeah, you just had people playing the shell game who just you bought it from. 937 01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,840 » That's >> And that was known way back, too, cuz we 938 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:35,600 had a rule go around back then, too. >> But we would like to get through this 939 01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:42,040 and then perhaps there could be litigation 940 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:44,880 dealing with what happened at GG's. And that would be 941 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,800 I think helpful to everyone. >> So you you're thinking 942 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,360 we get through this and then we have then we have litigation on GG's? 943 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,120 » No. >> We have litigation on 944 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,400 » Whitman. >> Yeah, but we have no big hammer 945 01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:01,240 and it >> Well, you still have the bond. 946 01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:05,240 » All right. Well, I've said my piece. I said we reduce the buy a bond, but 947 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:07,000 you're still not going to make the date, Kate. 948 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,520 » I said my piece. >> Okay. 949 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,960 » Uh I wasn't here for that for that part of it, but I you know, I would agree 950 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:18,280 with that with Jack and I mean, we're we're here for the residents and if 951 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,880 it's not being, you know, from what I can see, it had it's just 952 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,120 sitting there. It's been sitting there for so long and no one's doing anything 953 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:27,520 about it. So, I mean, um I'm not in favor of not releasing any 954 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,760 of that. >> Well, 955 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,160 again, we're here on Corrine and Emerald. 956 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,760 » Yeah. >> That is our request. 957 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:40,480 » Yeah. >> We're not here on GG's way. We're here 958 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:45,080 on a partial. We've got all the evidence that shows 959 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:49,600 that these roads are complete. They're satisfactory to engineering. Everyone is 960 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:53,400 okay with them within the divisions in the in the 961 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:56,280 divisions of the town. That's what we're here for. 962 01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:01,400 » And if I remember right, I'm read not read, but my memory it says planning 963 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:06,480 board may. It didn't say we had to. It doesn't say shall. The planning board 964 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:08,920 may. That gives us an option. Right? 965 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:14,480 So, if it said we shall, it would be a whole different thing, but we may reduce 966 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:18,200 it. And you always say it was a good idea, 967 01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,320 but John? 968 01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:26,360 » I'm totally against any reduction in the 969 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:33,480 bond. I also don't see any plans here showing where 970 01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:36,120 GG not GG Emerald Way and Kilronan are. So 971 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:41,520 » John, is your concern that >> before I was on the [snorts] board. 972 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:45,880 So is the plan showing where the streets are that is useful? 973 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:49,200 » Are you Is your concern that GG's is integral to the uh 974 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:50,680 » To some degree. >> traffic pattern? 975 01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,400 » Okay. >> I can help with that. 976 01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,080 » Thank you. >> Which is a fair question. 977 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,600 » question, absolutely. This is Emerald Way through here. 978 01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,840 Actually from this point forward this is >> where's the exterior street that this 979 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:06,320 all links to or whatever? >> Kilronan is here. GG's is all the way 980 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,600 over here. It has nothing to do with Emerald and Kilronan. It's completely 981 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,800 separate. >> Well, what do Kilronan and Emerald 982 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,960 connect to? >> What do They go back out through I think 983 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:16,920 it's >> called Homestead Estates to Fisher 984 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,080 Street. >> Fisher Street, okay. 985 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:22,080 » That's right. >> Oh, what is 986 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,120 » GG connects to North. >> Okay. 987 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,400 » And when he says nothing to do with it, he means just in terms of traffic 988 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:29,080 » As far as functionality and physically how they tie together, that's what I 989 01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,680 meant. >> Okay, so 990 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:36,560 nothing on that plan right now has been accepted, is that correct streetwise? 991 01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:40,320 » No, nothing to do with this subdivision has been accepted. Although correct me 992 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:44,000 if I'm wrong, I believe Homestead Estates roadways have been 993 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,120 accepted, is that correct? >> Yeah. 994 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:50,040 » That is correct. >> Yeah, so the This is technically the 995 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:53,920 first half if you will of Emerald Way that was developed by 996 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,640 others. This is the Ross Calvin subdivision that it extends 997 01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,440 » Okay, so it's been extended to the beginning of your development that side. 998 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:04,200 » of Emerald Way, that's right. >> So those there 999 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:09,000 that's there. Where's this lot 30? 1000 01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:11,760 » Lot 30 is actually previous to here. >> go through to 1001 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:14,560 » It's accessed off of GG's. >> GG's. Okay. 1002 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,360 » So, that's as my client mentioned, there is a 1003 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,720 requirement a separate covenant to be developed 1004 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:23,000 before a building permit can be pulled for lot 30. 1005 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,800 » It was probably 15 years ago. 1006 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:30,960 All the homes have been constructed on Coronen 1007 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,960 and Emerald. >> Uh everything on Coronen and Emerald has 1008 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:38,240 been constructed, uh completed. In fact, we provided a letter from the building 1009 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:41,760 inspector indicating that he has no issues and everything is full set. 1010 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,600 » So, that's that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. 1011 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:48,800 » Thank you. >> Yes. 1012 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,800 » When was Ross common approved? 1013 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:56,760 » As far as I know, this plan is signed 7 14 16. 1014 01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:59,760 » So, 10 years. >> 10 years. Yep, almost. 1015 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,160 » And today's date? >> Close to the day. 1016 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,480 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 1017 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,880 » And Whitman got involved how many years ago? 1018 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,520 » Yeah. >> Five. 1019 01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:14,240 » June 3rd, 2016 is when the planning board decision was made. 1020 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:22,800 » I'm sorry, it's too long. Like something's got to give. 1021 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:26,920 And I feel if we give any acceptance of anything, 1022 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:31,040 it's just going to continue the way it has. And I don't understand why us doing 1023 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:34,600 anything has anything to do with you guys moving forward with litigation 1024 01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:38,000 against the party involved that's holding you 1025 01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:41,600 back. So, I think that's got I mean, if that's 1026 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:46,520 what you told me about, then that's what you got to do. You don't rely on us. We 1027 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:51,640 haven't done anything wrong. You got to get it done. 1028 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:56,720 » All right. I want to move this along, meaning can you bring the whoever's on 1029 01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:59,920 GG's here with you guys and we can have at it with them? [clears throat] 1030 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,800 » Well, yes, but we'll see him in court first, but uh is it possible to hold 1031 01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:08,480 that residents meeting at the next planning board meeting? 1032 01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:10,840 » No, not till we get this resolved. I want to see the guy. I want some 1033 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,400 commitments. I want to see how it's going to 1034 01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:16,440 between you and him, how it's going to play. And if it goes well, yeah, fine, 1035 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,680 we'll move it along. But still, until he's here, you tell me you don't control 1036 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:23,440 everything. You know, I'm not going to get into the 1037 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:26,680 semantics of letters, but if there's someone else involved, I want to see his 1038 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:29,720 little butt in front of me telling me why he can't do something, what he's 1039 01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:34,680 doing, and how he owns this and everything else. Do it. Now, I assume 1040 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:39,680 that if he owns it, did you guys sell that road to him? 1041 01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:41,880 » We're talking about the lot. >> Yeah, what's that got to do with the 1042 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,960 road, though? >> Okay. 1043 01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:49,561 So >> I I've heard that supposedly one of the 1044 01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,280 things about that lot is if you buy the [clears throat] 1045 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,640 » I know the history of it. I know one of the things when it first sold, it was 1046 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:59,800 like he wanted a lesser price, so he was 1047 01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:02,600 going to pave it himself, right? Yeah, that was a deal. I mean, you know, 1048 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:06,280 this is small little town, everybody knows. But the the paddock and the and 1049 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,560 the Let's see, a landscape or something. He's had it forever? No, is this the 1050 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:14,240 original owner? >> Yes, Mr. Viano 1051 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:17,960 deeded it to himself and then deeded it to a trust and then from the trust he 1052 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:22,080 deeded it to the landscape company and >> Yeah, okay, same guy. 1053 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:26,759 All right. So, if you get his butt in here, and we can get this sorted out so 1054 01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:29,400 that he understands, all right? And 1055 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:34,120 going to help you, too. Because if your hands are tied, 1056 01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:36,480 which I kind of sounds like they are, come next time. Get him in here on the 1057 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:40,759 20th. >> Okay. 1058 01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,759 » And we'll take it from there. 1059 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:49,080 » So, as I understand it, 1060 01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:53,759 this board's saying no to the partial that we're asking for. 1061 01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:58,120 » Until we get this done. So, I shouldn't do this, but I'm 1062 01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:00,880 kick myself later is tell me this has nothing to do with when 1063 01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:03,799 we release something. >> I I 1064 01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:07,880 » So, you could come in September. You could come the day as of the 1065 01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:11,400 the What do you call it? Town meeting and get it released. Your bond's done. 1066 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:19,359 There is no time frame. If you come and it says it's done, 1067 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:22,960 you present it to us and there's nothing for us to hold, we release it. So, it 1068 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:26,880 doesn't matter whether it's August, 1069 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:29,799 November, whatever. Right. 1070 01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:35,680 » And in terms of 1071 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:38,600 moving the two completed roads along to the Board of Selectmen, 1072 01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:41,839 the this board is saying no to that. Is that 1073 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,720 right? >> Right, for now. 1074 01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:46,680 » Okay. >> But, you do everything, we get the guy 1075 01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:50,359 from GG's, get this straightened out, and then you come back and we have we're 1076 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:53,160 we're At least I'm happy with what's going to the results are. 1077 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,680 And you want to do another do a residence here, and we can release it 1078 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:58,920 then. Now, it's not going to make the fall. 1079 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,640 It'll probably make the spring, but what difference does it make? You're out. 1080 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,520 » But, I Let me I I still 1081 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,760 I think it's unfa- >> Town meeting isn't going to change 1082 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:13,360 what's going to happen here anyway, no matter what. 1083 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,520 Town meeting doesn't All they do is accept the road as the town's. 1084 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:20,520 » Agreed. >> But, once we release it, and we've never 1085 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:24,000 had issues. We've always had Everybody wants to time it. 1086 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:26,720 But, I've gone through years where you can't do it in the spring cuz you can't 1087 01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:29,080 you you got to screw up your fall in enough time, and then we can't do it in 1088 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,800 the fall because I'm not around in the summer, blah blah blah. It's a matter of 1089 01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:35,440 timing. The law is you present it to us, Chris. 1090 01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:40,320 You present it to us in November, everything's done, residents are happy, 1091 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:44,160 we have no reason to hold it. And you go on the next town meeting. 1092 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:51,880 » Are you amenable to if I get this person in front of you 1093 01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,600 and he takes ownership of the road >> Can't. 1094 01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,200 » and takes >> How's he going to 1095 01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:59,720 » and gives you a new bond? >> He can't He can't do it cuz it's all 1096 01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:04,120 under one subdivision. Can't Can't sell pieces of subdivisions. 1097 01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,000 So you can't do it. It's all approved under one. 1098 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:09,280 » But what if it wasn't a simple subdivision modification could have been 1099 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:13,080 done in two? >> No, because it's all part of it's all 1100 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:17,280 tied into the open space. It's one open space plan. You can't pull it out. 1101 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,800 I don't Tell me I'm missing something. What's 1102 01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,720 the big deal about >> immediately 1103 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,120 » You can't do [laughter] it like >> No. 1104 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,440 » No. >> What's the 1105 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,360 you know there >> This That's over here. This is over 1106 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,400 here. >> Yeah. 1107 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:38,600 » I don't Don't Don't get them all jiggled together because then that 1108 01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:41,440 starts making things problematic for everybody. 1109 01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,600 » Like I said >> I don't see what the point of bringing 1110 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:48,280 that person in is going to do. >> Well, I want to see see what he says cuz 1111 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:53,280 we hear they don't have control this and that. So we want to get something from 1112 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:55,960 him in time frames and so on. And then if he's going to lie it down 1113 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:59,440 then >> Just one up. We still have money. Do you 1114 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,360 know what I mean? >> Yeah, no. I still don't see how it's 1115 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,240 going to work. >> want it Okay. 1116 01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:07,640 What I'm doing is just like in business. Just get someone in here cuz we got 1117 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:10,200 people throwing rocks at each other. But the guy throwing the rocks is sitting 1118 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:14,040 behind a wall. We don't even know who he is. So we want him here. 1119 01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:18,920 » [clears throat] >> So are we putting this over to the next 1120 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:22,280 meeting? Get the guy from GG's here. 1121 01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,520 Okay. And we get something out of him and it 1122 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:29,160 goes, then you go for a residence hearing for that for the next time in 1123 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:32,920 September. And everything's hunky-dory and we get 1124 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:36,320 something with GG's then yeah, it's released and it goes on to 1125 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,600 the spring. 1126 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:43,080 You don't care when it goes, fall, spring. See? 1127 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,480 » No, not if the boundary reduces. 1128 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:51,080 » Reduces, yeah. Thank you for the repartee. 1129 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,920 All right. Goodnight, guys. >> Goodnight. 1130 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,720 » Goodnight. God >> you're getting gray, Chris, with that 1131 01:12:56,000 --> 01:13:01,320 beard. >> What is that? 1132 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,320 » You were a little gray the last time. 1133 01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,200 » Um >> Thank you for your 1134 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:10,280 Oh. >> I want to thank you. 1135 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:14,160 The bond figure for the paddock and things that still what it was back 10 1136 01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,640 years ago. They got to get indexed it up. It should be leased though. 1137 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,840 » Yeah. >> It was 102 back then. Things have 1138 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,000 changed a lot. >> Yeah. 1139 01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,160 » Yeah, just a little bit. >> It's still a little. 1140 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:25,320 » Yeah, it's like a house What was a house in Walpole back then? 1141 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,280 » Who makes those? >> Hm? 1142 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:29,200 » Who makes those silly stamps now? >> Yeah. 1143 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,520 » Well, Maggie didn't want to make them at that time. 1144 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:34,040 » I don't know what they were like. You just 1145 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:37,000 » We went round and round on them. >> So, she cuz it's other business we don't 1146 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:38,560 continue it? >> Hm? 1147 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:41,120 » It's other business so we don't continue. 1148 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:44,880 » see if they get their act together for and bring them back, we ask to come in. 1149 01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:49,840 » Got you. >> All right. See you Tuesday night. 1150 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,840 » All right. 1151 01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:55,760 » Next one is Hope this one goes easy. Quail Run, do we have a bond figure? 1152 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:09,400 Okay, we have a request from 1153 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,640 Do you guys go under? You go You go under your name? 1154 01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,960 » Yeah, from the DeMartino. >> DeMartino, and you requested a a bond 1155 01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,240 figure for Quail Run. 1156 01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:21,840 » Yes. >> And 1157 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:29,400 and Chris has come back with 680,000. 1158 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:32,120 So, can you understand the process? We set it here, you come back the next 1159 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:36,840 meeting with the bond, but what you're going to 1160 01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,280 do beforehand is Are you going to do it insurance 1161 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,040 » Mhm. >> cash 1162 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:45,360 » Insurance. >> or cash? 1163 01:14:42,440 --> 01:14:49,560 Eric put enough over the street. All right, when you come back, it has to 1164 01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:53,680 bring it to Sarah. >> Yeah, special bond paper? 1165 01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:54,880 » Uh no, it's a standard bond. It's in the back of the book. 1166 01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:59,960 » Okay. >> All right. But, when she gets it, she's 1167 01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,120 going to send it down to finance. 1168 01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,520 » Mhm. >> And they got to look up under the A&M 1169 01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,880 best rating for uh >> Make sure it's 1170 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:09,920 » insurance. You want to make sure don't bring it that night cuz we can't do 1171 01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:13,960 anything because we have to get approval. 1172 01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:17,440 » going to bring it probably next week. Okay. 1173 01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:21,560 So, let me You know what I'm saying? >> Okay. 1174 01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:24,080 » All right, we have a a figure of 680,000 from 1175 01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,800 Who did this? Was it Chris? >> Or Joe. 1176 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,800 » Yeah. >> Anybody have any questions? Tom, we all 1177 01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:31,200 know what Quail Run is, right? Washington Street. 1178 01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:35,480 » Oh, yeah. >> So, that's Smitty's house. 1179 01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,480 » Yep. 1180 01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:43,560 » It's the only way we know where it is. All right, I'll make a motion to set it 1181 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:48,720 for the 6 1182 01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:51,600 I'm missing my folks. 680,000. >> Second. 1183 01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:54,920 » Second from Bruce. All those in favor? >> Aye. 1184 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:58,920 » It was unanimous. Okay. So, bring it in tomorrow, come through, and 1185 01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:03,520 away you go. >> Thank you. 1186 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:08,920 » All right. >> Thank you. 1187 01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:13,880 » We got A&R for 12 Kincaid Street. 1188 01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,880 Elm Street. 1189 01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:28,840 » Good evening. Bailey from Mackie and Mackie for 655 Elm Street. Um 1190 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:33,960 » Yeah. >> We're requesting the board endorse our 1191 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,960 A&R plan. 1192 01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:39,240 Um it's one lot. We want to divide it into two. 1193 01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:46,640 There's a house that's Well, they're building a house, so what we did was we 1194 01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:50,640 met with Jim Crowley. I'm sorry, I'll let you get 1195 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:52,760 » Probably a big table of us. >> Okay. 1196 01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:04,640 Anybody have any comments I got to see? >> I've seen it. 1197 01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:04,640 » Okay. 1198 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,080 » Oh, there's a house straight up. Okay. 1199 01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:11,920 » I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said, Lorraine. 1200 01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:18,120 » Yeah. >> So, we met with Jim Crowley because this 1201 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:22,280 lot we want to divide it into two, lot one and lot two. It's on the plan. 1202 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:26,080 There's frontage in Medfield, but there's no 1203 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:31,200 frontage in Walpole. But, the proposed house is going to be 1204 01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:36,240 built in Walpole. So, we're using the frontage in Medfield 1205 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:42,080 to build the house in Walpole, and we're requesting the board sign the A&R plan. 1206 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:47,360 Medfield has already signed it during a 1207 01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:51,600 same request that we're asking them. We made the frontages 1208 01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:57,640 in Medfield conform to Walpole's zoning bylaws. 1209 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,640 The standards for a buildable lot. 1210 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:07,800 » There's an existing house on what is to become lot two. 1211 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:11,840 Is that correct? >> Yeah, there's a garage and a barn. 1212 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,240 » Oh, garage. >> Just the garage and the barn, that's 1213 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,600 right. >> one button. 1214 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:18,280 » Right now. >> It exists Yes, yep. 1215 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,960 » Uh what's the zoning? 1216 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:40,640 » Is there anywhere about that plan I'm putting a house in that area? 1217 01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:45,160 » Um we are Do you see um it's on the plan. It's 1218 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:48,480 that rectangular shape 1219 01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:55,400 object that's that that's going on the Walpole lot lot one. 1220 01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,080 Do you see it? >> No. 1221 01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,960 » I don't see it either. >> Can you Do you see it? 1222 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:06,360 » I'm missing it or something. >> Can I just see the garage and the barn? 1223 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:08,320 That's all I see for >> It doesn't matter what it 1224 01:19:07,480 --> 01:19:10,840 » I don't see what they don't >> They shouldn't The only thing they 1225 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:14,280 should be pointing to is existing structures. 1226 01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:18,200 » No, these are all existing structures. >> you don't have that on here? 1227 01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:23,000 Jack has it. Oh, so this It's right here. Why don't 1228 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,480 » It doesn't matter. We're only approving that. 1229 01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,720 » Yeah. That's the 1230 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,400 » That's the existing one. >> My existing 1231 01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,800 » Oh, so that's going to be what's going to be built here. 1232 01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,800 » Okay. Right. 1233 01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:37,480 » Jack's right. I was just curious on where the whereabouts of the house was 1234 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,480 going. So. 1235 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:45,160 » So, the four the barn, the garage, the house, the 1236 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:47,720 pool house, those are all existing today. 1237 01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:53,960 » No, I don't think there's any um 1238 01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:58,440 I don't think there's any house on uh lot 1239 01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:02,480 one right now. That's the proposed >> No, there is. 1240 01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:06,160 » There is a house on lot >> Yeah, what you've got right now is the 1241 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:11,200 barn and the garage. I know the property well, but they they built the new house 1242 01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:14,320 onto the left side on one and the barn and garage have been there. 1243 01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:19,080 » Yeah, you're right. I have it on this plan. I have the Yeah, there is an 1244 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,080 existing house. 1245 01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:32,880 » Go back where it comes to. 1246 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,240 » Must be you you had question or comment? Come on up. 1247 01:20:53,280 --> 01:21:00,800 » So like it's my parents land. Um 1248 01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:05,000 So the all all of the other structures that are currently there, the idea is to 1249 01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:10,640 raise the barn and put a house where that barn is right now. 1250 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:14,840 That existing garage probably will go at some point, but we need some sort of 1251 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:19,360 space right now, so that's would be in the front yard for 1252 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,360 time being. 1253 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:29,120 » Okay. >> Okay, so both frontages 1254 01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,120 Oh, I see they're in the back. 1255 01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:48,280 » Do you have any questions? >> What's your address? 1256 01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:52,040 » I think it's 655 I think. >> But their address is a weird it's like 1257 01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,640 close to the the numbers are like all screwed up. 1258 01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:57,560 » I'm off of there. >> Yeah, I live not. 1259 01:21:55,320 --> 01:22:01,071 Yeah, it's all right. 655 is >> Some people who live on Elm Street are a 1260 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:03,920 little strange anyways. >> [laughter] 1261 01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:07,960 » Well, just because Deliverance was shot in my backyard. 1262 01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:10,640 Jesus. I know I thought you looked familiar 1263 01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:13,720 when I first got here. Take my tooth out of hand. 1264 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,440 So that makes sense it's just going to be where the barn is. 1265 01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,720 » He's taking it down that's where the house is going. 1266 01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:30,160 » Oh, okay. This is interesting. >> Yeah. 1267 01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:35,760 » They knock pools and stuff. down. That's who those drills bought. 1268 01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:35,760 Okay, that is the same. 1269 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:45,120 Okay. You also get >> Yes. 1270 01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:48,080 » All right, Naveen. I got a bunch of questions. So, 1271 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,760 I'll do the simple ones first. >> Okay. 1272 01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:57,200 » I got to get their money back from the guy who did the plan that up on the 1273 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:57,200 zoning table is 80,000 not 40. 1274 01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,760 It's in an aquifer protection. 1275 01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:08,440 » Where did you say, Mr. Chairman? >> If you look up in the top right of the 1276 01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:10,920 plan, he listed lot area required as 40,000 square feet. Yeah, that's 1277 01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,480 » Yeah, I see that. >> But it should be 1278 01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:18,560 80 cuz it's in a rural. I mean, it's in a resource protection. 1279 01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:22,720 Um my comment on the circles 1280 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:27,720 » Mhm. >> that has no relative relevance for us. 1281 01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:31,680 It doesn't one way or another cuz it's in Medfield. 1282 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:34,920 So, I don't know what that proves. >> Because we need frontage. 1283 01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:40,080 » But you don't Okay, I'm going to come to that. The other thing is 1284 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:43,720 there's a thing in A&R practical frontage and I mean, practical access. 1285 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:47,120 You really don't have that through the wetlands still. 1286 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:50,680 » No. >> And the biggest thing in when you read 1287 01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:55,160 A&Rs, you have to have frontage. You guys don't have frontage in Walpole. 1288 01:23:55,480 --> 01:24:00,120 » Right, we don't. So, that's why we were using we met 1289 01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:04,080 » You can't You have to have frontage in the town you're in. You can't have a 1290 01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,600 frontage from some other town. >> I didn't think that you needed to have 1291 01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:10,120 frontage in as long as you >> reading A&A and they say whatever the 1292 01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:14,520 city and town and you have to go by what the city and town is. I mean, 1293 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:17,080 you can check that up on That's what I read. I know you're going to go back and 1294 01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:21,040 » Yeah. >> research it. But when you read it, first 1295 01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:25,400 off, cuz you're going through wetlands, practical access means you can't go 1296 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:28,080 through them. A river 1297 01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:31,560 uh swamp, a lake, or whatever. You have to be able 1298 01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:35,960 to access. So, it has to be and what it says in the A&R book, very simple, is 1299 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:39,720 you have to have emergency vehicles go there. Yeah, they can go there now, but 1300 01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:43,560 the other thing when I'm looking at that first look that I'm wrestling with, 1301 01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:45,120 well, somebody kind of has it, but it goes to the other lot. Do you know what 1302 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,440 I mean? >> Mhm. 1303 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:49,960 » We start on one, then we jump flop over to two. 1304 01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:53,520 So, that needs to be hashed out. But, the bigger 1305 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:57,800 thing is because there's no frontage in Walpole. 1306 01:24:55,440 --> 01:25:02,000 It is I read the A&R book like that, it has to have frontage in Walpole. And my 1307 01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:06,360 my guess is because this was around forever before Jury Lane was done, they 1308 01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:11,720 probably had were already down. It was probably one 1309 01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:16,000 um big lot all the way down to Elm. This wasn't created during um 1310 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,560 This has been always there. Do you know what I'm saying? 1311 01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:25,920 » Mhm. >> This is like a grandfathered thing. But, 1312 01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:30,560 chances are it had it looped around on my guess on 27. So, that's how they 1313 01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:35,440 ended up up there, but you know, for right now without being in Walpole, I it 1314 01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:38,720 says it has to be, but I'm sure you guys will find something. 1315 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:41,600 » Yeah, I'll look into it. >> So, 1316 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:45,960 my my guess so my not my guess, but my 1317 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:49,160 thought is we got 20 days to approve or not 1318 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:53,360 approve. If you just want to withdraw and bring it back and tell us why, cuz 1319 01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:57,680 why I'm voting right now is you don't have per 1320 01:25:55,160 --> 01:26:01,120 Mass General Law on the A&Rs, you need frontage. 1321 01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:04,320 » So, it would just be because of the frontage. 1322 01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:06,600 » Well, you also you better you need to solve the problem on the practical 1323 01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,560 access >> Yeah, okay. 1324 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:13,480 Yep. So, that Okay, I understand. 1325 01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:17,680 » No, and the other thing is common driveways is as As know, 1326 01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:22,680 Nadine, I don't care what you put on the plan. All we're doing is approving two 1327 01:26:19,240 --> 01:26:26,240 lots. Whatever's on there, easements, agreements, 1328 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:29,000 doesn't hold on an A&R plan. >> Yeah, I know. 1329 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,760 There are some things on here that I don't 1330 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:35,760 that are are confusing. I have a better one that 1331 01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:39,400 was approved by ConCom, but this one and I'll have them make note for the 1332 01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,414 next time. But yeah, I'd like to withdraw and come back. 1333 01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:44,440 » Okay. >> [snorts] 1334 01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:47,000 » Now, hopefully you can find something, but 1335 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,280 You probably don't want to hear the history of this, do you? 1336 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,515 » Yes, if it's going to help, I'd certainly like 1337 01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,760 » Oh. >> [laughter] 1338 01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:59,400 » The developer, Joey Lane, was the same developer who we just had before on Ross 1339 01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:02,120 Commons. >> Okay. 1340 01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:07,080 » And he was supposed to leave a 46-foot access for the owner of the land 1341 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:12,080 previously, Joe Poole, down Joey Lane. He didn't. He screwed him. 1342 01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,000 You could have come off of Joey Lane through the two couple houses. 1343 01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:17,880 » Yeah. >> And he didn't. 1344 01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:21,920 Joe fell asleep at the the switch, too. I don't know why. Maybe Maybe at the 1345 01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:24,800 time he thought he was a great guy, but no. So, that's what happened. What could 1346 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:29,160 have happened is he could have had a bunch of houses up Joey, and there's 1347 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:32,280 plenty of room to move houses and do that, but 1348 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:35,880 he didn't leave it for him, so he's landlocked. So, Joe was stuck with this 1349 01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:40,760 forever. And I think he sold it to your parents. 1350 01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,760 » Yeah. 1351 01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:48,120 » No, Wendy, yeah, yeah. Joe was in Florida, Wendy was home. Yeah. 1352 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:51,040 Yeah. So, you got to If you want to withdraw without 1353 01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,880 prejudice, I'll make that motion. >> Yeah. 1354 01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,920 » Second. >> Second. All in favor, aye. 1355 01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,200 And if when you're ready, you know how to do this. 1356 01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:00,960 » Yeah. >> Please bring her on back and figure out, 1357 01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,600 but I couldn't find anything that's going to 1358 01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:10,680 one way or another, so. >> Okay. 1359 01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,680 » You want the form A back? 1360 01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,760 » 150 to get any ideas through the planning 1361 01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,120 » In Walpole? >> Yes. 1362 01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,560 » Yeah, but it's showing in Medfield. This is the circle. 1363 01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:47,360 » The circle in Medfield? >> Yeah, they're showing right on the mid- 1364 01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:49,920 all right at 27. They could have shown it on the plan it 1365 01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,320 would fit. >> Yeah. 1366 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:05,080 » But what you can do Well, that was a subdivision, remember? 1367 01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:09,760 Not an A&R plan. You can do that. Also, if you want to be 1368 01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:12,920 put the circle back on Walpole land if it's 1369 01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:16,600 comes to fruition, you can do everything. We don't care about 1370 01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:22,280 Medfield. I saw that and it's like 1371 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:24,840 It's in It's in Medfield. No, I know you have more than enough land for the 1372 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:27,520 circle. So. 1373 01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:31,880 But then it's determined on the wetlands. You want your way back? 1374 01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:35,360 » Yeah. >> You want it back? 1375 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,760 » Yeah. Thank you. 1376 01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,840 » Nice. >> Okay, thank you. 1377 01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,840 » Yeah. 1378 01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:47,920 Now, hopefully find something. 1379 01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:57,160 » Jack DiMartino left this. It's $6,000 for the trees for the tree warden. 1380 01:29:55,040 --> 01:30:00,840 » 6,000? What's that for? >> It's in his decision that he has to pay 1381 01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:03,960 for street trees. >> So, he's he's going to 1382 01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:07,720 pay for street trees rather than put them in? 1383 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:11,120 He's going to see He should make a plan with the owner immediately. We just 1384 01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:14,800 can't take checks like that, okay?" When he comes back next time, 1385 01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:18,520 » have him bring it. >> Have him Yeah, have him bring it or we 1386 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,000 hold, I don't care, but we've got to get it on the record in 1387 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:25,520 » Got you. >> It's not like cash. 1388 01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:29,320 Okay, so I got six grand in cash and we Where to go? 1389 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:31,520 » Let's go shopping. >> All right. 1390 01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:33,520 » 655 >> Not really. 1391 01:30:32,440 --> 01:30:35,840 » All right. Now, 1392 01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:40,440 » I heard this I didn't think our business would be on. 1393 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:43,880 I also forgot how much traffic there is in the world and this is so loud. 1394 01:30:42,240 --> 01:30:47,280 » Snooze. Snooze, you lose. 1395 01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:51,520 » Yeah, you snooze, you lose. >> All right. 1396 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,520 Well, we're 1397 01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:56,960 I think some of us are done fighting. I'm not, but 1398 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:04,760 All right, what we need is because it's not clouded on here 1399 01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:07,240 » I don't know the red exhibit. >> Okay. 1400 01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:11,960 Go through what what you're doing so we understand everything. I think what you 1401 01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:15,840 If I'll give you the overview of what we think and John was looking at, too. 1402 01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:18,760 You're actually reducing the size of a retention basin. 1403 01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:21,480 » By adding infiltration. >> You know, so instead of open, you're 1404 01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,080 going under. >> Correct. 1405 01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:25,440 » All right, which is probably >> It's 1406 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:29,480 » better for everything. >> It is. So, previously, 1407 01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:32,920 um that was actually you'll see in red, it was a large detention basin. So, it 1408 01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:36,320 actually wasn't infiltrating. There was a large stock pile here. Um 1409 01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:40,120 oh, by the way, Taylor Corsano with Crocker Design Group. 1410 01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:43,760 Um there was a large stock pile there that we wanted to do some test pits to 1411 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:47,680 see if we could find some good area to potentially get infiltration in there. 1412 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:52,440 Um we did the additional test pits, still all ledge. We did a couple test 1413 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:57,400 pits over here and found the ledge face. So, it's beautiful sand. So, we ended up 1414 01:31:54,840 --> 01:32:03,240 reducing this detention basin, um which in turn reduced this 10-ft wall down to 1415 01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:07,240 a 4-ft landscape wall, um and put an underground system in this area similar 1416 01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:11,280 to the other drywall systems that we have. So, 1417 01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:16,640 um overall, it made this a lot better by reducing wall 1418 01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:20,560 heights, and uh we are now able to remove some of the detention 1419 01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:23,400 and count infiltration. So, it will infiltrate into the ground rather than 1420 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:27,280 just holding in the basin. >> All right. The roads haven't changed, 1421 01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:29,440 the access hasn't changed, the lots haven't changed. Nothing's changed other 1422 01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:33,680 than that. >> So, you'll see this house here. All we 1423 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,640 did was flip it up that way, and then just scooch the houses down to make 1424 01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,640 room. >> And have you 1425 01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:41,960 done this through storm water management? 1426 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:46,640 » So, we did it. We submitted the storm water revision to engineering as a part 1427 01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:50,240 of our con com permit. We had a condition in there that we could 1428 01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:54,240 potentially swap that to infiltration. >> The only reason I'd bring that up is if 1429 01:32:52,080 --> 01:33:00,520 if you got approval, yes? >> So, I I emailed Landis everything. 1430 01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:05,120 Last time we did it through engineering with them and Landis, and she was okay 1431 01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:08,480 with that. So, we'll have to see what she says just for later. 1432 01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:12,320 » up is if it does change, then you might have to come back again if something 1433 01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:17,040 changes a little bit, but >> Yeah, it uh related to like just the 1434 01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:19,640 storm water report itself. >> So, okay. 1435 01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:23,320 » Or sorry, that was a question. Is that what you're saying? 1436 01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:25,360 » Yeah. So, you Okay, and you're the civil engineer? 1437 01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:28,829 » Correct. >> And you were surprised to find ledge in 1438 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,920 a quarry? >> [laughter] 1439 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,920 » We found beautiful sand everywhere. It was just in this area. 1440 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:38,000 » Got you. >> Cuz they they blasted most of it away, 1441 01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,760 just not that small section. >> of blasting, yeah. 1442 01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:43,360 » A lot of blasting. >> All the red rocks gone? Purple rocks? 1443 01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,560 » Uh I think they still got piles up there. 1444 01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,160 » Uh-huh. >> Did you get some yet? 1445 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:51,400 » All right. So, go ahead, John. 1446 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:55,400 » So, all the buildings 30 to 35 that were mentioned, which of them has been moved 1447 01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:58,520 or adjusted then? >> So, red is the old, the 1448 01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,960 » I can't see red from here. >> Black is new. 1449 01:33:59,614 --> 01:34:05,680 » [laughter] >> Okay, officer. 1450 01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:07,520 » So, red previously we had 1 2 3. >> Okay. 1451 01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:10,840 » Pretty much we just shifted that unit up there, so all of those shifted over and 1452 01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,320 then we were able to fit the infiltration basin between those two 1453 01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:16,880 homes. >> 30 got pivoted that way and this just 1454 01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:20,280 all slipped to the left and that one went that way. Okay. 1455 01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:23,880 Any of these homes built yet? >> Yes, phase one I actually am not sure 1456 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:27,480 how many homes there are through, but I think they I think they may not have 1457 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:32,080 sold all of phase one, but they're moving and grooving on construction. 1458 01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:34,320 In phase one which is that way and now they're starting construction in phase 1459 01:34:33,480 --> 01:34:36,320 two. >> And that's that's phase two. 1460 01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,520 » This is phase two. >> Yep. 1461 01:34:36,480 --> 01:34:43,400 » Okay, and that's where all this rock is piled and everything else, right? 1462 01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:47,000 » So, they got rid of this stock pile um and I think they've moved most of the 1463 01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:49,400 material. I haven't been up there recently, but 1464 01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:53,240 » You're working for Bristol, right? >> Correct. Well, we work for so we did the 1465 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:56,040 redesign for Pulte, but Pulte has for the homes themselves. Um our Shavano 1466 01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:57,480 works on those folks. >> Okay. 1467 01:34:56,720 --> 01:35:00,560 » But yes. >> All right. I I don't have any questions. 1468 01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:02,280 John, you're all set? >> Yeah. 1469 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,680 » I'm good. >> I'm good. 1470 01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:06,920 » Okay. I'll make a motion for minor being the 1471 01:35:05,480 --> 01:35:08,400 fact that we can actually do some things. 1472 01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,280 » Second. >> Second and a second. All in favor? 1473 01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,520 » Aye. >> Thank you guys so much. 1474 01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,800 » All right. Yep. >> Okay. 1475 01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:23,800 » So, what do we do here? Six. 1476 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:28,360 All right. Pass that back. That's all. 1477 01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:31,040 All right. And last one, steering. 1478 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:34,280 Oops. 1479 01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:40,360 Thank you. >> Thank you members of the board. Um 1480 01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:44,320 mostly just using this opportunity to kind of provide an update of where the 1481 01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:48,960 zoning bylaws steering committee committee is. So, initially when I sent 1482 01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:54,800 the memo saying, "Hey, let's let's try to get something on for the fall." We 1483 01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:58,440 ended up meeting again on Monday. Um and there's still some changes that I 1484 01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:02,000 think we want to make as a committee to the bylaw as well as some stuff to run 1485 01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:05,080 by town council. So, there's nothing that we're prepared to bring forward for 1486 01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:07,560 the fall. But, I did just want to kind of 1487 01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:11,240 understand that what we're looking at now is in 1488 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:15,000 particular the solar bylaw. And the reason being is is kind of 1489 01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:18,640 twofold. One, we understand the issues we've had with 1490 01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:23,440 with litigation regarding the solar bylaw and our compliance with the with 1491 01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:26,880 section 3 of chapter 40A. And then also kind of what initiated it 1492 01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:31,560 is um uh 1493 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:35,160 the Department of Energy Resources DOER initiated this 1494 01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:38,840 It was in 2024 it was an it was a different act that basically implemented 1495 01:36:37,480 --> 01:36:42,760 what's going to be called consolidated permitting. 1496 01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:47,160 So, what that basically means is that a potential um 1497 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:51,920 solar developer, if you will, has the option that they could either go forward 1498 01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:56,920 with the town zoning or they could or sorry, they could apply to the town 1499 01:36:54,800 --> 01:37:01,480 as they would any other project or they apply through this consolidated permit 1500 01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:06,440 where it they still need to follow the town zoning, but it's a fast-tracked 1501 01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:09,120 permit essentially. It's it's the state kind of overcomplicating things 1502 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:12,040 basically if I want to say it like that because it's you know, additional 1503 01:37:10,440 --> 01:37:15,080 paperwork they need to file. There's different requirements that we need to 1504 01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:18,160 do administratively, nothing that the board needs to concern themselves with. 1505 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:23,200 But, that was kind of what got the thought on that is looking at what DOER 1506 01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:27,960 was implementing and then considering you know, just our past case history. 1507 01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:31,360 And so, the really the big takeaway with the solar one is 1508 01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:35,480 um the SPOD 1509 01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:40,720 in its current um the solar voltaic overlay district in its current format 1510 01:37:38,440 --> 01:37:45,440 is probably not the most efficient way of regulating solar uh just because of 1511 01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:48,240 the case law that's happened with with Kearsarge versus the 1512 01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:52,360 town. So, one of the thought was to be more of 1513 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:58,520 be more prescriptive when it came to like applicability in terms of you know 1514 01:37:56,440 --> 01:38:02,480 our existing underlying zoning district. So, whether something requires site plan 1515 01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:06,600 review or special permit, we basically state that per zoning 1516 01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:10,040 district rather than an overlay. That was the first process, not to say that's 1517 01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:14,520 going to be the the end goal. 1518 01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:18,800 But trying to find a way to be more so essentially that 1519 01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:22,840 that state requirement is that we cannot prevent the or cannot prevent the 1520 01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:27,840 facilitation or the creation of renewable energy, but we can regulate 1521 01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:30,400 it. It's kind of vague because all right, well, we want to regulate it in 1522 01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:34,080 our town. We'd like to have it have it here. We'd like to have it over here. 1523 01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:37,720 And unfortunately, that's where it kind of comes up with the vagueness is all 1524 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:40,160 right, well, if if what we did was not working, 1525 01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:44,800 we'll try to be something that's a little bit more open, but still have 1526 01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:47,960 more regulations in place for that change, which is why you see that in one 1527 01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:51,640 of it is like a little bit of a use table where showing the underlying 1528 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:54,240 zoning districts with you know something as a special permit or as a special 1529 01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:58,640 permit or a site plan review. 1530 01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:01,520 So, again, this is you know, something I just want to have that discussion early 1531 01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:05,880 on cuz I mean obviously we're not ready for the fall, but I would like to 1532 01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:09,600 certainly hear planning board's feedback on something like this and 1533 01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:12,920 thoughts just cuz it's it is more of a planning thing in terms of the future of 1534 01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:18,800 the town. I don't want to put something forward that this board doesn't have 1535 01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:21,360 you know, say on and thoughts on for sure. 1536 01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:24,440 And anyway, the steering committee and had some great comments on our our 1537 01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:27,040 meeting was Monday. So, there's definitely changes that are going to 1538 01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:30,440 happen to the version that you're looking with, but again, just wanted to 1539 01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:33,520 provide that as an update and I know John, I don't know if you have anything 1540 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:37,040 else as well as part of the steering committee or 1541 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:42,160 » Um I was asked to bring up the question of 1542 01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:46,480 whether the planning board is willing to sponsor these articles 1543 01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:49,800 for the town uh um 1544 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:53,520 town meetings. Um 1545 01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:57,920 and I want to get uh thoughts from the other board members as 1546 01:39:55,520 --> 01:40:03,760 to in the past we've always said no, we don't feel it's right for us. I want to 1547 01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:10,880 to reach out and find what issues you feel are most 1548 01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:13,520 um important to you as to why yes or why no. 1549 01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:18,680 » All right, do you want to go first, Kate? 1550 01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:18,680 » Well, 1551 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:29,120 I'm not saying no, but I'm going to say a couple of concerns, okay? And I'm 1552 01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:34,680 going to be 100% honest. So, I don't feel necessarily town meeting 1553 01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:38,920 looks positively upon the planning board. 1554 01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:43,480 And I do not know if articles have a better chance of getting approved if 1555 01:40:41,200 --> 01:40:46,960 they are not sponsored by us. We can endorse them. 1556 01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:49,120 We can be supportive of them. >> Mhm. 1557 01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:52,520 » But I almost think they're better accepted 1558 01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:56,320 when they come from somewhere else. 1559 01:40:54,400 --> 01:41:00,000 Sorry to say that, but I think it's the honest truth. 1560 01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:05,760 Um the other thing is the committee was 1561 01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:08,920 originated by the selectmen and when they it's 1562 01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:14,960 their committee, so select board, I'm sorry. Um 1563 01:41:11,680 --> 01:41:17,760 it's their committee, so my 1564 01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:22,240 instinct is always to say, well, whoever's committee it is should be 1565 01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:26,720 sponsoring it. So, I'm not saying like a hard no, but those are two concerns I 1566 01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:32,120 have and that's why um 1567 01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:32,120 just my thought process. I don't know. 1568 01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:36,640 » Okay. Bruce? 1569 01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:39,880 » Um yeah, that's again, I don't don't know too much about 1570 01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:44,120 it, so I'd have to abstain from saying it cuz I wasn't involved in any of that, 1571 01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:47,920 but um Who who's that who's that committee who 1572 01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:49,840 what committee would be like if >> Select Board is the one who 1573 01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,800 » Select Board >> wants the committee. 1574 01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:53,760 » The creator of the >> Yeah. 1575 01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:57,240 » planning by the zoning bylaw you 1576 01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:02,800 » bylaws >> I'm on it, John's on it. 1577 01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:05,080 Pat's creating um the 1578 01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:07,640 building inspector >> Oh, yeah. 1579 01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:13,560 » and um >> Sarah and Circ and Steve and Forsberg 1580 01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,560 are at large members. 1581 01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,920 » I want Forsberg. >> Good, Forsberg. 1582 01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:20,520 » Forsberg >> Just know you guys are working hard and 1583 01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:24,640 I think you have a better chance when it doesn't come from us. 1584 01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:29,880 » Okay. All right, well, my comments don't 1585 01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:32,520 change. First off, um Board planning, I'm getting tired of 1586 01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:35,320 hearing that planning is just a name that the Massachusetts General Law gave 1587 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:37,840 us. We're not the planners, we just do subdivisions and now we do site plans. 1588 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:42,320 So, that's number one. Number two, you're 1589 01:42:39,480 --> 01:42:46,560 asking five volunteers and a part-time secretary to do this. We have no staff. 1590 01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:49,080 » Well, I'm not asking you to do it. I'm just asking for a like when I come to 1591 01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:53,560 you to talk about >> it, it comes from us, so we're the ones 1592 01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:55,760 that have to make sure we get it done. >> Oh, no, you 1593 01:42:54,440 --> 01:42:57,880 » That's a fun No, no, no. >> Yeah. 1594 01:42:56,040 --> 01:43:00,480 » Well, you go like this, Pat, all right? Who do you work for? 1595 01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:03,200 » The town of Walpole. >> The Who's 1596 01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:06,320 Who's your direct boss? >> Jim Johnson. 1597 01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:09,680 » Okay. So, if we say Pat, you're going to do this, and Jim comes down and wants 1598 01:43:07,480 --> 01:43:13,520 you to do that, where are you going? That's a problem. You have at the 1599 01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:17,520 Selectmen's beckoning, they have everybody. We have zero. All right, 1600 01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:21,080 well, I've gone through this many, many years. Everybody says, "Oh, no, no, 1601 01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:24,560 we'll help." No. No, that That's number one. Number two, and what K said is 1602 01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:28,000 probably the the biggest thing is the fact that the 1603 01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:34,280 Selectmen created this, so it shouldn't be pulled from under them. Uh, the next 1604 01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:39,840 thing is we get it doesn't make sense for us to sponsor it and then we hold a 1605 01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:43,240 public hearing because my view is if you sponsor an article and then 1606 01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:46,160 you're doing the hearing, it looks like the fix is in. 1607 01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,640 » We still sponsor the public hearing. >> Right. 1608 01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:50,760 » We do. I mean, yes, you know, it's it's 1609 01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:53,720 regulation, so that's kind of why you have to have the public hearing. 1610 01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:57,240 » no, that's under Mass General Laws, I understand, for us to have a public 1611 01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:59,520 hearing. But if we sponsor it, >> Yeah. 1612 01:43:57,520 --> 01:44:03,920 » it's fated complete or whatever it is. It's like you sponsor it, you're having 1613 01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:07,920 the hearing, well, gee, how does that seem very democratic? 1614 01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:11,400 » what you mean. I just I see sponsor, you don't have to support it. It's just 1615 01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:13,680 moving the moving the ball forward, basically. 1616 01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:17,200 » You're the ones, whoever sponsored has to be the ones at 1617 01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:21,520 town meeting and do all the stuff. That's all. That's why the Planning 1618 01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:25,520 Board has the public hearing. That's what I think it no matter what it is. 1619 01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:31,640 The other thing I I object to is I don't know the stuff you're doing, all right? 1620 01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:34,800 It really most of it affects the Zoning Board more than us. You're tweaking, I 1621 01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:38,640 understand, the Zoning Bylaws. Most of us is in subdivision control, but 1622 01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:42,800 they've never had anybody from the Zoning Board. And they're the ones who 1623 01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:46,240 who probably have more um 1624 01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:49,520 effect on a lot of these than we do. And they've never appointed anybody. Do you 1625 01:44:47,480 --> 01:44:51,720 know why? And it makes sense to have someone from the 1626 01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:55,120 » I believe the Zoning Board makes a judgment on the zoning, whereas 1627 01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:59,720 » Yeah, but why aren't they part of it to say this is wrong? We make a judgment on 1628 01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:01,880 the zoning, not just the Zoning Board. >> True. 1629 01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:06,480 » You know, I I've heard that forever, they're a judiciary board. No, it So 1630 01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:10,280 aren't we? But to have if you're going to face every day this thing is written 1631 01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:13,360 wrong, it's like, can we change it? That'll be if I'm on the Zoning Board, 1632 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:17,160 I'm tired of this coming. Can we change this? Make sense, okay. So, 1633 01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:19,240 um >> I know. 1634 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:22,680 » That's what you guys been doing, which is fine. I know you're going through 1635 01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:24,360 making it make sense. You were not doing any dramatic 1636 01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:27,240 » No. >> redoing the town, which I understand. 1637 01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:30,000 But you think about the Zoning boys and girls who use the book more than 1638 01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:35,480 anybody. And I know Jim's doing that and he's 1639 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:40,400 he'd more in tune with those guys. So, those are the 1640 01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:44,920 simple reason is why we don't I don't like to do it is 1641 01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:49,200 is to have that >> Well, I for this particular thing 1642 01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:53,040 though, obviously solar facilities come forward, they go 1643 01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:55,840 through you and you'd see how these things are laid out. You go through the 1644 01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:58,440 process. So, that >> I didn't get the chance I'm sorry to 1645 01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:02,480 interrupt you but No, that's 1646 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:05,160 is this selectman's committee. >> Yep. 1647 01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:09,240 » All right. I'll be dead buried before I'll ever say 1648 01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:12,200 select board, but selectman's committee. >> And 1649 01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:15,200 why aren't they sponsoring Can they say no? 1650 01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:18,480 » We're just I honestly this is the first going. We don't feel like it's ready to 1651 01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:20,840 come forward forward. This >> Wouldn't it be Mike more sense for them 1652 01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:24,000 to do it since they formed the committee? 1653 01:46:22,200 --> 01:46:28,600 I mean that would be the saddest thing. They formed a committee would be their 1654 01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:28,600 article I would think. 1655 01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:32,560 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 1656 01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:37,160 Unless it's already been whispered like get them to do it. 1657 01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:40,960 It had to be. Well, I'm going to come right out. It had to be because there's 1658 01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:45,120 no way you're going to come down here as a worker bee and then get us to do it 1659 01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:48,880 and then you go back and then four out of five selectmen say, "What are you 1660 01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:53,000 doing? You ain't doing that." Unless it's been whispered. Yeah, get them to 1661 01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:56,560 do it. >> On a 1662 01:46:54,200 --> 01:47:02,080 different topic though, not Okay, sponsorship sponsorship aside, 1663 01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:06,240 would you oppose to coming forward and just hey before we go forward with this 1664 01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:09,360 thing, what's your thoughts on it? >> What do you mean? 1665 01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:13,880 » So, here's the zoning prior to going toward like putting on a town meeting, 1666 01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:17,360 you know, tweaking it. What's your thoughts as a planning board cuz this is 1667 01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:20,520 something that you guys you see the solar facilities that come forward and 1668 01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:24,880 would never >> I've never I can't speak for everybody 1669 01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:27,880 but I I mean I've never That's what's been missing. 1670 01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:29,760 » Give it to us before a lot most of time we've got them in years past. 1671 01:47:29,400 --> 01:47:32,840 » Yep. >> It's already 1672 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,680 » done. It's too late to change. >> Yep. 1673 01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:39,080 » So before you chisel it in stone. 1674 01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:43,080 » Oh yeah, this is it. This is the before. >> So you want us to give you it right now? 1675 01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:46,920 » No, no, no, not right now. Just more of a general discussion. We're at We still 1676 01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:49,760 need to tweak it and refine it. >> and come back and we can give you 1677 01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:52,640 whatever Yeah. We'll look at it. Yeah, we'll give you 1678 01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:56,800 our input. Without a doubt. We're not going to not run from that. I understand 1679 01:47:54,520 --> 01:48:00,680 that. From our perspective coming at it this way cuz we might find some stuff 1680 01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,920 that we've had issues with. I That's fine. 1681 01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:07,320 » Oh yeah. Time I think that's mostly cuz of the timing wise even though it's July 1682 01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:11,400 warrant closes pretty soon and so it doesn't make sense for the fall. Spring 1683 01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,600 we have a lot more time to revise and make it 1684 01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:15,560 » That's one of the things I've always objected. People want to start doing 1685 01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:18,640 this like in June and you go, "Wait a minute. June?" And you have one meeting 1686 01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:23,080 July and boom boom, the warrant's here. This You should have By the time you get 1687 01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:26,400 to July it should be the stone. >> Yep. 1688 01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:28,000 » And then it gets passed on to the select board on the warrant, but 1689 01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:30,200 » Okay. >> Yeah, I got 1690 01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:32,880 I think that's fine. >> Yeah. 1691 01:48:30,480 --> 01:48:37,040 » I can I've been here for a while now, but there's a lot of things that have 1692 01:48:34,520 --> 01:48:38,680 happened in the past that will be >> Yeah. 1693 01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:42,640 » your knowledge >> Yeah, no, I It's fine. I think that's 1694 01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,760 great, John, as long as you get it because you don't want to 1695 01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:47,150 have We don't want to go through the tennis 1696 01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:50,000 courts again. >> [laughter] 1697 01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,160 » Oh, I like that, but >> I had a question. 1698 01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:54,760 » Yeah. >> The solar panels, how what's the life 1699 01:48:53,480 --> 01:48:57,360 expectancy of those? >> Uh 20 years. 1700 01:48:56,640 --> 01:49:02,480 » About 20 years? >> Uh 20 to 20 20 to 30 years, but I mean 1701 01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:05,120 technology changes. >> That's what we're talking 1702 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:08,400 » If you do maintenance, it could last a little longer, but 1703 01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:12,800 » But who's res- Are they responsible for replacing them when they go bad? Whoever 1704 01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:16,040 » Yeah, there's usually I mean I think even in the existing zoning there is a 1705 01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:16,640 maintenance plan. >> And 1706 01:49:16,625 --> 01:49:19,040 » [clears throat] >> and they're supposed to post a bond. 1707 01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:22,160 » So, when they get >> That was my other question I was going 1708 01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:25,200 to ask. If they take them cuz if they have a like somebody abandoned it or 1709 01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:26,920 just left, said screw it, we're not doing it, is that 1710 01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,200 » Oh, yeah. No, no, no. The town's responsible for it. 1711 01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:33,360 » Oh, it's a hundred >> There's a bond Bond is placed on these. 1712 01:49:31,080 --> 01:49:37,240 So, at the end of their lifespan, out they go. 1713 01:49:33,800 --> 01:49:41,840 » Yeah. New ones specifically was put in every like after 10 years. You review it 1714 01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:45,080 and if costs are not >> Then they have to change them. 1715 01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:48,640 » Then every like 5 years after that, you develop with the inflation. 1716 01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:52,280 » my question what you do is brought forth. Now, if I understand this, this 1717 01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:56,480 is the governor. Basically, what this says 1718 01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:59,920 is you can put solar anywhere. No more zoning it out. 1719 01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:03,520 » So, that's not necessarily the governor. That's 1720 01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:08,040 section So, obviously now you know the protective use is a 40A. That's been 1721 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:11,560 there for over 10 years. The language we So, when we made Well, when the town 1722 01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:15,000 made the SPOD, that language is still in there. 1723 01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:19,200 But as time has gone on, you saw like I think it's Waltham versus Treecer Lane 1724 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:24,920 was the case before our case. As situations have come up where a solar 1725 01:50:22,680 --> 01:50:28,960 facility has taken a town to court over a certain issue cuz the town regulates a 1726 01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:34,040 certain way, we learn more and more of hey, well, the town regulated so that 1727 01:50:31,440 --> 01:50:38,480 20% of the land is solar, but then you know, facility wants to go here. 1728 01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:42,320 The courts will come back and say, well, they'll they'll cite that section of um 1729 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:47,880 they'll cite section three and basically say that you cannot prevent the creation 1730 01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:52,040 of renewable energy. And so, that's why it's a weird open-ended where we 1731 01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:55,800 we thought we had a good pilot, right? SPOD, you're regulating it, you're doing 1732 01:50:53,760 --> 01:51:00,720 an overlay district. They don't give us a number saying, oh, as long as you have 1733 01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:03,880 20% or 10%, it's open-ended. Almost in the same way like, all right, you can't 1734 01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:08,960 prevent a church from going anywhere. >> That's So, what what I'm saying is my 1735 01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:12,720 zoning map for where you can put solar panels is now gone. 1736 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,880 » With this this is the first proposal, it would be, yeah. 1737 01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:18,080 » Yeah, because that's what the state says. They want Once upon a time we'll 1738 01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:22,960 put them on old dumps. Oh, wonderful. Now you can put them anywhere. 1739 01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:26,880 » With regulation, and so yeah, we could theoretically still regulate and say no 1740 01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:30,720 somewhere. But we just We just risk litigation. 1741 01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:33,560 » protection of one of health, safety, or welfare. So they'd have to really So 1742 01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:37,840 basically this is the Healey thing. We want green, someone's making a boatload 1743 01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:40,640 of money up in Beacon Hill. And on top of it, the other thing you mentioned and 1744 01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:43,680 I read about it right >> So the one you mentioned about is 1745 01:51:42,280 --> 01:51:46,680 » It's called No more site plan. 1746 01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:50,280 Right? >> Never heard of that. No, they they are 1747 01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:52,120 talking about making site plan in court while this is 1748 01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:54,080 » They're talking about making it >> Incorporating it part of the zoning act, 1749 01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:57,640 yeah. >> Yeah, yeah, they want to do that. So you 1750 01:51:55,560 --> 01:52:01,640 come in and zip out. So you're doing it like our um what do 1751 01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:05,000 you call it? Limited site plan. >> I don't know if I mean I just think more 1752 01:52:03,120 --> 01:52:09,440 or less regulation in terms of timelines, but I don't know 1753 01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:14,120 » Basically they're cutting out each town say on site plan. 1754 01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:15,920 You can go right down to Crowley. >> I'd have to see it, but I mean that is 1755 01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:17,840 that is >> they've been talking about is getting 1756 01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:19,720 rid of it. >> Yeah. 1757 01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:24,480 » Yeah. Okay. So but every time we do this it gets a 1758 01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:27,080 little worse. And which Kearsarge was the one that was 1759 01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:29,480 the one on North Street? Because it can't be the one on um 1760 01:52:28,440 --> 01:52:31,960 » Yeah, North Street. North Street Kearsarge. That was the one 1761 01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:35,080 » Yeah, okay, it's To me unfortunately, and I know I'm 1762 01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:38,640 talking a lot, is they didn't go at it way way I wanted to, but I think the fix 1763 01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:43,680 was in anyway is the fact that how do you have a private entity on public land 1764 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:47,000 making money? And you've heard me more than once say, 1765 01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:50,640 "Can I build a McDonald's on your land?" And Billy Buckley for the county says, 1766 01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:56,240 "No." Then why can't I? You're putting a solar farm there. That's what That's the 1767 01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:58,920 big one. Not not the building permits that was denied, but anyway. 1768 01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:02,440 » Oh, yeah. Now that was a that was an interesting case because I mean they 1769 01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:05,320 initially claimed, you know, >> And that's speaking of which I don't 1770 01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:10,120 know, but we haven't heard maybe you might have on. 1771 01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:12,840 I'll put this one against us. >> Well, they already ruled against us. 1772 01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:16,000 » They said yeah, they said they're going to pick us the clock, but we haven't 1773 01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:19,480 heard squat on that, right? >> it's still in litigation or that's still 1774 01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:23,360 being with counsel. I think it's still with counsel. I haven't 1775 01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:26,560 » Yeah, that one they're going to have a problem. It has nothing to do with 1776 01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:31,280 regulations, the fact that they couldn't produce a letter that said they were 1777 01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:35,480 approved to do these sky high ones. But other than that, I don't mean to 1778 01:53:33,240 --> 01:53:39,440 Anybody have any questions, comments? >> Any headway on 1779 01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:44,800 my continuous ask 1780 01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:47,800 about giving us a say on how things look? 1781 01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:52,520 » Um So I So you're talking about like design 1782 01:53:49,960 --> 01:53:55,800 guidelines? I would probably need to get a 1783 01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:59,440 consultant for that cuz that's a little bit outside. That's We could certainly 1784 01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,800 look into that, Katie. I mean that's one of those things where you 1785 01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:07,040 » for us to like design their project. >> No, but I mean to have 1786 01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:11,760 » like if something comes in and it's you know, it would be nice and I it's 1787 01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:16,120 sort of a moot point at this point because everything's built up, but let's 1788 01:54:13,480 --> 01:54:19,440 say someone starts ripping like what we're doing over here. Someone 1789 01:54:17,480 --> 01:54:24,760 starts, you know, buying stuff up and ripping it down and rebuilding it. It 1790 01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:27,720 would just be nice to try and keep some sort of a 1791 01:54:26,440 --> 01:54:30,320 you know >> I thought we would have had a say 1792 01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:32,640 anyways in that. I mean so many 1793 01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:35,680 » I mean not I'm like I say, I'm not looking to paint the house for them and 1794 01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:37,560 tell them what color and just 1795 01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:41,560 » To accept it. Say it looks nice. 1796 01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:44,440 » A New England feel, you know? >> Some people don't like that. That's 1797 01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:48,400 where you get the problems. New England may not be in this time. 1798 01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:51,760 » So the one thing I think we I remember we talked about this. 1799 01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:55,520 So towns will have like a downtown design guidelines and I know you have 1800 01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:59,320 some language within section 13, but the design guidelines almost exist as a 1801 01:54:57,000 --> 01:55:02,080 separate document where a town will try to enforce that. Yes. 1802 01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:04,680 » Yeah, and there's there's election in I think it's Lexington if you're around 1803 01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:06,960 the around the green, you you can only pay 1804 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:09,920 Yeah. Yeah, that's one thing yeah for sure. 1805 01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:13,800 » I'm not looking for a restriction that tight. 1806 01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:13,800 » Um 1807 01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:17,520 Yep. >> [laughter] 1808 01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:21,480 » But I would say it's so like a town like Westwood I know just 1809 01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:25,160 Westwood for example talking and understanding a lot of their stuff is by 1810 01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:29,080 special permit. So even in their downtown they have a 1811 01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:32,400 lot more control when something has gone in because hey here's our guidelines you 1812 01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:36,400 want your special permit it's going to have to look a certain way and I think 1813 01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:40,640 that's something that gives the town more teeth. Other towns will have like a 1814 01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:43,920 design review committee which sounds like a headache. 1815 01:55:41,680 --> 01:55:47,600 » Yeah and I don't agree with that so much because that just adds another layer 1816 01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:52,480 that you have to go through and I'm not looking to make it hard for people. I 1817 01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:55,760 just would like some sort of a say on you know just rein it in a 1818 01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:58,800 little. You know it's [snorts] 1819 01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:00,760 that's all I want. I don't know how to do that 1820 01:56:00,440 --> 01:56:05,480 » Yeah. >> but I keep asking for it because I feel 1821 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:09,680 like that I know we didn't have much we only had like a sentence in there but 1822 01:56:07,200 --> 01:56:12,640 now we don't even have that so something. 1823 01:56:11,680 --> 01:56:15,480 » Do you know if there's still a historical commission? 1824 01:56:14,240 --> 01:56:17,200 » There's still a historical commission yeah. 1825 01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:19,800 » I do want to bring that tonight. 1826 01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:26,520 I said one thing. >> I'm not sure I know they're still they 1827 01:56:24,440 --> 01:56:30,320 still they're still in existence. >> Bruce, Christine still on the historical 1828 01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,640 » I know. >> No? 1829 01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:35,040 » No. Well, she still knows enough about it but yeah. 1830 01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:37,840 » Yeah. >> While you're here Pat and I know it's 1831 01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:42,120 not necessarily on the agenda but we're not voting but well if people are 1832 01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:44,280 watching all 5,000 of them >> Okay. 1833 01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:47,920 » and they I keep getting asked okay well a few of the projects 1834 01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:50,720 what's up with the old Bay Bank? Just sitting there? 1835 01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:54,280 » The old Bank of America? >> Yeah. 1836 01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:58,560 » It's um I mean they looks like they did some painting recently. Um 1837 01:56:56,920 --> 01:57:02,960 they've had issues from a building permit side in terms of just 1838 01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:06,520 compliance. They're making headway. Obviously, the 1839 01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:11,520 outside is was finished first to keep it watertight. It's ongoing. It's It's I 1840 01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,640 don't have a good answer. I think it's >> Okay. 1841 01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:17,240 And they still have their legal licenses, which they probably should. 1842 01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:19,160 Okay. So, that's kind of going. All right. 1843 01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:22,520 » Yeah, I mean, they they they're making headway. They had a giant hole in the 1844 01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,480 building throughout the winter, which was not a good idea. They're working on 1845 01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:27,160 it. >> Okay. 1846 01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:31,360 Um, up to Katie where she like to buy something on Spring. 1847 01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:33,400 You heard anything on Spring and West? >> Spring and West? 1848 01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,520 » That was dirt. >> No, I mean, they demoed the site. They 1849 01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:38,040 got the fencing >> a while ago, yeah. 1850 01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:41,000 » Yeah. Oh, yeah. Um >> I'm just asking if you've heard 1851 01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:44,480 anything. As things come up, so people ask. I don't know anything and I don't 1852 01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:47,280 know if any of us do. We just >> I think they've pulled their I think 1853 01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:49,960 they have filed for their permits. I know talking to Jim Crowley, just 1854 01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:56,400 getting an update as well where they're going. I'm not sure why it's taking a 1855 01:57:52,760 --> 01:57:58,800 little bit slower, but they are in the process [snorts] of completing their 1856 01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:02,240 permits. They're getting their permits finalized to get going. 1857 01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:06,760 » All right. How about where Rico's is going in those condos? Are those They 1858 01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:10,320 selling those? >> Uh 1859 01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,400 I think they're actually rental now. >> Okay. 1860 01:58:10,800 --> 01:58:14,240 » But >> When are we getting that parking lot? 1861 01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:15,680 » It's a good question. >> Yeah. 1862 01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:19,360 » I don't have an answer for that. >> I think you should have. Parking lot, 1863 01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:20,520 I'll give you your CEO. So, you know you know what's going on there. 1864 01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:23,120 » No. >> Um 1865 01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:26,440 Keep going around the town. Up on High Plains Street at the old water tower. 1866 01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:31,120 That was >> Uh That's So, that's a similar the same 1867 01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:33,160 developer of the Bank of America building. Same issues. 1868 01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,240 » Okay. >> Um 1869 01:58:33,800 --> 01:58:38,720 » Huh. So, it's plugging along. >> Look like they were working on 1870 01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:42,840 » Yeah, I think both have started to get going a little bit more, but I mean, 1871 01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:45,880 obviously, it's it's strange to have taken that long for something like that. 1872 01:58:44,720 --> 01:58:49,040 » On a positive note, the clock tower looks great. That came out great. 1873 01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:52,240 » No, I mean, what happened with that? That's the next one. What happened on 1874 01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:53,920 the clock tower? It stopped. It stalled. That means 1875 01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:56,320 » the clock stop moving? >> Yeah. 1876 01:58:54,997 --> 01:59:00,280 » [laughter] >> I'm not I'm not sure. I know they were I 1877 01:58:58,200 --> 01:59:02,840 think they might be moving inside a lot of that out there. 1878 01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:05,640 » No, well, every time I go by, they went to town on this site, which is good. 1879 01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:09,080 They're doing all the stuff in the foundations in the winter and it's like, 1880 01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:12,240 "Wow, it's framed and everything else." But 1881 01:59:10,160 --> 01:59:15,120 nothing inside, it's all just studs. I mean, it's hasn't moved in a couple 1882 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:17,760 months. The windows are open. >> I haven't heard anything on it. You 1883 01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:20,480 haven't heard anything >> I haven't heard anything. I know they 1884 01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:23,960 they got that siding up quick and I think it was I mean, it's looking nice. 1885 01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:27,480 » I'm trying to bring out that there might be some case someone 1886 01:59:26,120 --> 01:59:31,120 wants to know, well, at least you're updating us. So, so far, we haven't 1887 01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:35,760 heard anything that the town knows that something other than a few building 1888 01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:38,840 issues over here at the old Bay Bank. Uh I don't know if any others. 1889 01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:43,640 Any other ones sitting out there doing nothing? 1890 01:59:42,240 --> 01:59:47,160 » Gilmore's. >> I think 1891 01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:50,040 that's expired, hasn't it? >> It hasn't expired, no. It's still It's 1892 01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,280 still valid, the permit. >> Oh, it is? I thought they were over 1893 01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:55,800 there 2 years now. >> 2 years, yeah, but the permit's 3 years 1894 01:59:54,360 --> 02:00:00,120 and then they were approved, it was still within that whole tolling period, 1895 01:59:57,680 --> 02:00:03,000 so they got 2 additional years. Do you remember the whole So, this is a 1896 02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:05,720 Healey thing, she passed >> Yeah, okay, that's what I was saying. 1897 02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:09,600 Yeah, okay, so they Think they'll ever go? 1898 02:00:07,760 --> 02:00:15,240 » I believe so. I mean, we've had we've had communication with them. Um 1899 02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:20,120 » No market anymore. Markets How many How many apartments do 1900 02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:22,840 you need? And plus, we got We kicked enough people out of this 1901 02:00:21,640 --> 02:00:26,240 country that you don't need that anymore. But basically, the markets, 1902 02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:29,240 you know, they're having troubles now, a lot of these places renting. 1903 02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:32,880 » Yeah, I mean, we've been communicating with them. There's like an easement 1904 02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:35,960 there. Relocating an easement, so that's been work that's been ongoing with them 1905 02:00:34,600 --> 02:00:38,800 and both their attorney and our attorney in 1906 02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:42,080 terms of the language of that easement, so it's slowly some of the paperwork 1907 02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:44,840 behind the scenes is getting figured out. And I know that they had to reach 1908 02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:48,600 out to the Federal Railroad Commission cuz is cuz of 1909 02:00:46,720 --> 02:00:51,880 and that took a while for them to get answers there, but 1910 02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:55,480 » The one that is CVS on to East Street, they should cut that bush. You can't see 1911 02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:59,960 at all. >> Which CVS on East? Oh. 1912 02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:04,800 » Yeah, it's really bad. >> Yeah. Um the other one is 1913 02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:07,600 it's moving along, but the doggie hospital, animal hospital on 1914 02:01:06,880 --> 02:01:10,080 Route 1. >> Yeah. 1915 02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:13,600 » Across from the old Red Wing. Are they done yet, do you know? 1916 02:01:11,800 --> 02:01:15,840 » I'm pretty sure they're if they're not, it's very close. 1917 02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:17,920 » Yeah, yeah. How about the one on Water Street? Remember that old place where we 1918 02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:21,000 first met? >> It does. I think I think they're pretty 1919 02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:24,000 much close to being done. Again, that'd be more of a Crowley question cuz he'd 1920 02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:26,040 be doing the CO at that point, but I think from my 1921 02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:28,840 » Okay, but you hear this stuff. >> Yeah, I know. 1922 02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:32,120 » And the car place, is that >> Big Car? Not Big Car's, the um Car Barn. 1923 02:01:31,400 --> 02:01:34,440 » I think that's done. >> Yeah, that's done. Yeah. 1924 02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:37,040 » That's all done? >> Yeah. 1925 02:01:35,240 --> 02:01:38,600 » They got any You guys haven't gone up to see any cars in there? 1926 02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:42,200 » I have. >> I saw the lifts. The lifts are pretty 1927 02:01:40,240 --> 02:01:43,960 cool, but I haven't seen the cars. >> Nice. Big box, right? 1928 02:01:43,680 --> 02:01:47,120 » Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay, I just along with that, 1929 02:01:45,880 --> 02:01:49,920 those seem like the only ones that seem to get done in a hurry, which is good. 1930 02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:54,080 » Commercial, yeah. >> Yeah, I know. Usually 1931 02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:56,840 » West Street, you ever get done? You lose, Osmond? 1932 02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:59,480 » On where? >> The little 1933 02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:04,880 They had a smaller scale thing they were doing, the loop from West uh 1934 02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:09,720 Norfolk Street over on West Street. Access on both sides. 1935 02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:13,240 It was something in the same nature about smaller scale. 1936 02:02:11,400 --> 02:02:17,640 » Oh, the Russo. Yeah, Tony's building. Yeah, that's done. His his his car barn 1937 02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:19,760 there on Norfolk Street. >> Yeah. 1938 02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:23,320 » That's done. I'm pretty sure that's done. 1939 02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:26,840 » I thought I saw a you know, to get back to the clock tower, I thought I saw a 1940 02:02:24,960 --> 02:02:29,200 for sale sign or something up there. I don't know if 1941 02:02:27,920 --> 02:02:33,040 that's for for rent units there, or is that for the 1942 02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:36,080 whole building? I I didn't really look at what it was, but 1943 02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:39,480 » I went by today and I saw the same thing, and I didn't the same thing. I 1944 02:02:37,800 --> 02:02:43,640 didn't know if it was for rent or >> So they're usually they're selling the 1945 02:02:40,680 --> 02:02:43,640 building now, are they? 1946 02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:48,040 All right. Thank you. 1947 02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:51,520 » You got the TV time, so if anybody asks, I'll save you time. Call YouTube, I 1948 02:02:50,120 --> 02:02:54,680 mean, go to YouTube and see what we talked about at the end of the meeting. 1949 02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:56,560 » You know, I'm here, might as well talk, right? 1950 02:02:55,120 --> 02:02:59,440 » Yeah, I know, but you might as well, cuz I get people up boom boom boom boom 1951 02:02:58,160 --> 02:03:01,520 boom, and it's like, I don't know. >> It's a cool A&R though, right? 1952 02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:05,160 » A what? >> That A&R, it's kind of unique, right? 1953 02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:08,200 » Yeah, but it's I think there's there's a problem with the frontage. 1954 02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:11,160 » It's a nice property. You don't see a situation like that often though. Sorry. 1955 02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:14,640 » I think what happened is it's the old days, they cut it was a farm, and the 1956 02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:18,320 old days, people didn't pay attention. If you go back 50 years in this town, 1957 02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:19,800 you see some of the A&Rs, you go, "Whoa." 1958 02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:22,600 » Yeah. >> There's one 1959 02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:25,400 example on uh Common Street. You know where the top 1960 02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:27,200 of Pocahontas is on Common? >> Yeah. 1961 02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:31,240 » Right before you get to Common Ones. >> Yeah. 1962 02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:31,240 » There's a driveway between two houses. 1963 02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:37,760 You're lucky if you get 20 ft. How'd that happen? 1964 02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:41,560 Back in the good old days, there was a lot of good old stuff done that they 1965 02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:43,320 didn't pay a whole lot of attention to. >> Yeah. 1966 02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:45,800 » But that was when there was nobody here anyway. 1967 02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:49,280 There's a couple up in North Walpole that were like that, because they're off 1968 02:03:47,840 --> 02:03:51,440 of High Street, way up by Mansfield Line. 1969 02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:55,440 » Who cares? >> Well, it's like Walch here with Battle 1970 02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:56,560 and that over on Lincoln with the uh easement. 1971 02:03:56,360 --> 02:03:59,600 » Mhm. >> There's a floating easement, but the 1972 02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:00,680 problem was with the property. He was put in the wrong 1973 02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:04,680 » Yeah. >> In fact, no one cared back then. 1974 02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:07,280 Anyway. >> Yeah. 1975 02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:10,320 » Cuz thank you. Yeah, we You got to go. Katie's got to go, so we want to wrap 1976 02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:13,200 this up. Actually, she's got a long commute. 1977 02:04:11,800 --> 02:04:14,720 Which way you going, right or left? >> Katie's going to make a motion to end 1978 02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:17,360 it. >> I'm going over to 1979 02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:22,760 » What are they doing on Diamond Street? >> They're um replacing the water line. 1980 02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:24,240 » Every time I go down Stone Street, there's new stuff. 1981 02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:27,920 » It's all over the goddamn >> There's a lot of things going on in the 1982 02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:31,720 whole area. There's construction on Stone Street. There's utilities being 1983 02:04:30,280 --> 02:04:35,440 done down there. >> Pat, since I've been I I was around 1984 02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:38,920 during the day until I retired, it's crazy. 1985 02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:41,640 Have they always had this much work going on on the roads as they are? 1986 02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:45,040 I mean, I >> I honestly feel like in the past few 1987 02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:47,400 days they just started doing the I mean, I know they just started doing the work 1988 02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:51,160 over there and the work I did >> But Diamond Street and then you have 1989 02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:54,840 Stone Street and there was somewhere Everywhere I turned there was Well, 1990 02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:58,560 Lynch was paving all those Everywhere I turned there was and it's all Sherrice. 1991 02:04:57,080 --> 02:05:02,280 » Why shouldn't the street Yeah, it's a lot of Sherrices as well. 1992 02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:06,040 » Yeah, the timing was uh >> Oh, they're they're everywhere. I'm just 1993 02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:11,240 just curious. But I heard Diamond they're going to 1994 02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:11,240 pave it with the gold. 1995 02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:16,720 » That's a special Sherrice today. >> No, they paving it 1996 02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:19,800 Diamond Street in certain portion they're paving in gold. 1997 02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:23,680 » It's going to become the Golden Brick Road. 1998 02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:28,000 » And she's making a claim against P.J. Hayes cuz they ruined her lawn. 1999 02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:32,880 » Oh my god. I have to be honest and I'll say this on TV. 2000 02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:37,080 The crew from Hayes could not be nicer. >> Kevin and the rest of 2001 02:05:33,800 --> 02:05:40,640 » They're very courteous. They are professional. They do a great job. 2002 02:05:39,880 --> 02:05:42,600 No complaints. >> Still making a claim on your grass 2003 02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:44,920 dying? >> Stop with my grass. 2004 02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:50,680 » Did you say Did you say >> I make a motion to adjourn. 2005 02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,680 » I said