1 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,640 Yeah, just all right. 2 00:01:11,119 --> 00:01:15,720 I uh more stomach 3 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,080 Would 4 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:17,000 you say 5 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,479 I have 6 00:05:50,639 --> 00:05:54,360 Not going to get much. 7 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:08,919 All right, if everybody could make sure. 8 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:17,080 » Mine turned green. Hello. There you go. 9 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,360 technical difficulties. We're getting 10 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:52,560 there. 11 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,560 We're all here though, so that's 12 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,560 exciting. 13 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,880 Hey, any 14 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,880 good 15 00:07:27,599 --> 00:07:33,759 ready. Okay. All right. We're going to 16 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:37,120 go ahead and open today um the September 17 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:40,000 3rd design review board. 18 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,720 Um first item is the approval of the 19 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:44,880 June 4th DRB minutes. Did everyone have 20 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,960 a chance to look at those? Emiled them 21 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:49,199 out separate. Anyone care to make a 22 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,000 motion there? I move the approval as 23 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:51,919 presented. 24 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,639 » A second. Hey, motion and a second. All 25 00:07:51,919 --> 00:07:54,080 in favor? 26 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:56,960 » I. 27 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,319 » All right, Tim. Any announcements today? 28 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,400 » No announcements. 29 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:02,560 » Okay, 30 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:04,879 want to roll on to item two? 31 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,325 » Yes. Good afternoon. You've got me for 32 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:08,879 three more meetings. 33 00:08:07,325 --> 00:08:12,000 [laughter] 34 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:13,680 » Retirement countdown. 35 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,000 At least I can't tell you the number of 36 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,520 days like Bob can, but yeah, I guess 37 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,319 it's the retirement countdown. 38 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,319 » All right. 39 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:21,319 » So 40 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:29,280 So this is a less than minor development 41 00:08:27,039 --> 00:08:31,759 application submitted by by McNeel 42 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Carroll Engineering requesting approval 43 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:36,080 to reduce the originally approved square 44 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,519 footage of a commercial building on 45 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,719 56.07 46 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:43,120 7 acres with the future land use of and 47 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:45,680 zoning of Bay Walton Sector Plan Town 48 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:49,279 Center properties located in district 5 49 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:51,600 on the north side of Highway 98. So this 50 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:55,040 was previously approved by this board on 51 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:57,120 January 5th, 2023. 52 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,480 So they're wanting to downsize this 53 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:04,560 building from 19,734 54 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:06,480 square ft to 11,279 55 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:08,560 square ft. 56 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,040 So, with that, I'd please like to enter 57 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:12,640 the staff report into the record. 58 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,200 » All right. So, noted 59 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,760 » And I'll answer any questions or I'll 60 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,680 turn it over to the 61 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,399 It's pretty straightforward. It's 62 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:24,320 basically the same 63 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:26,320 building 64 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:30,120 but smaller. 65 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:30,120 » Any questions of Tim? 66 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,880 Mr. Carol, do you 67 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,240 Good afternoon. Robert Carroll, McNeel, 68 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Carol Engineering, 17800 Panel City 69 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,080 Beach Parkway. We are the engineer of 70 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,680 record. As Tim stated, we were here 71 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,680 several years ago. It was a two-story 72 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:51,680 building uh and a completely different 73 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,959 architect. So, we have completely 74 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:54,240 changed the project. They're still 75 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:56,640 allowing us to be part of the team, so 76 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,000 we're grateful. But, uh the roadways, 77 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,600 the parking, all of those are part of 78 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:03,360 the master plan. Those were previously 79 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,640 installed. We came here before. Uh so, 80 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,160 Basically, all the infrastructure around 81 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,399 it is installed. This is just for the 82 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:11,519 building itself. The architect is here 83 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:13,519 and she's brought a nice board and some 84 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:15,200 colors and uh I think she's gonna 85 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:16,640 control the show, but I was just here in 86 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,120 case there were any site related or any 87 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:22,079 questions that I could answer. 88 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:26,079 » I have one um site related question on 89 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:28,240 the first um 90 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:31,200 site plan that's actually includes the 91 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:33,360 frontage on Highway 98. There is a 92 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,600 sidewalk shown and I can't recall if 93 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,959 that sidewalk actually exists. And the 94 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,680 reason part of the reason I'm asking is 95 00:10:36,959 --> 00:10:42,000 last month we had the uh large water 96 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:43,839 sign come before us. 97 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,760 » There's not one along 98. There the 98 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:47,440 sidewalks are internal with the roadways 99 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,560 but not along 98. We do not have a 100 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,839 walkway out there. 101 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:52,640 » Yeah. In other words, the packet that 102 00:10:49,839 --> 00:10:55,120 you all submitted shows a sidewalk on 103 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:58,720 Highway 98. 104 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,480 » New sixoot sidewalk. Yes. 105 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,160 So, I was just curious. I mean, my 106 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:07,279 question might be direct better directed 107 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:10,079 to Tim. Um, but I know that that 108 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:11,839 requirement to provide a sidewalk on the 109 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:13,440 public rideway is frequently a 110 00:11:11,839 --> 00:11:14,720 requirement of the project. Is this is 111 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,279 there supposed to be a sidewalk on 112 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,440 Highway 98? Well, not with this 113 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:21,680 particular project because it has no 98 114 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:24,000 frontage, but yeah, I mean, the code 115 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:28,079 does require 116 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:30,160 » I don't go by there really, so I don't 117 00:11:28,079 --> 00:11:30,480 think it's currently there. 118 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,000 » Okay. 119 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:36,959 » I'm not sure, but when DOT widens the 120 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:39,200 road, they will put in the sidewalk. 121 00:11:36,959 --> 00:11:41,600 » DOT's widening. 122 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:44,160 » Yeah, 98 is going to be widened all the 123 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,640 way to the Bay County line. 124 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,839 I mean, pushed it back. I mean 125 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,200 » Oh, I I see what you're saying. Yeah, 126 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:50,880 but not as part of this project. 127 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,000 » Not as part of this project. But in 128 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:58,399 Okay. with the 98 widening DOT will 129 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:01,040 install either a sidewalk or a mixed uh 130 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:04,399 a multi-use path like this last segment 131 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:07,200 they did from Mac Bayou Road to 3A. They 132 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:09,040 put in a 10- foot multi-use path. 133 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,399 » Okay. 134 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,839 All right. I guess I'll uh maybe I'll 135 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:13,680 bring it up as new business or something 136 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:16,079 at the end of the meeting. Um 137 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:17,440 » But this this particular project has no 138 00:12:16,079 --> 00:12:19,440 98 frontage. 139 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,720 » Okay. Yep. I pose the question because 140 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,800 it was included in the packet. So 141 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,120 » The internal sidewalks there are so we 142 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,639 have the on the far east side. We have 143 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,399 sidewalks from there all internal all 144 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:31,120 the way through Publix all the way to 145 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:31,920 the bank. 146 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,200 » Yep. 147 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,880 » So okay. 148 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,279 » Pedestrians have free will to walk but 149 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,000 just not along 98. Yep. [clears throat] 150 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:42,200 » Thank you. 151 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,200 » Thank you. Thank you. 152 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,000 Hi, good afternoon. My name is Paula 153 00:12:48,079 --> 00:12:52,720 Neil and I'm with the architect of 154 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:56,200 record 155 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,200 Neil in 156 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:02,320 uh I did bring a finish board um for 157 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:05,399 y'all to look at. Um do you mind if I 158 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,399 come up? 159 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:20,880 So, we do have it's a planned um retail 160 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,560 mixed use. Um I think St. Joe is 161 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,040 planning on putting a restaurant in one 162 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:28,639 and just a couple retail spaces in the 163 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:34,320 rest. And um it does front both Merchant 164 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:39,040 Lane and Port Plaza Way. and it's just a 165 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:42,800 small 11,000 square foot building. Um 166 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:44,880 the the character of the facade matches 167 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,279 the rest of the town center with just a 168 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:49,440 couple little tweaks um meeting the 169 00:13:47,279 --> 00:13:51,920 scenic corridor requirements and the 170 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:57,199 mental color palette um which we're 171 00:13:51,920 --> 00:14:00,959 showing there. So, um but the plan is to 172 00:13:57,199 --> 00:14:03,920 have a little patio in the front and 173 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:07,120 then a little patio behind um for the 174 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:09,920 restaurant tours and uh and otherwise 175 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:12,800 it's uh really in line with the rest of 176 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:15,839 the town center development. 177 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:19,880 Let me know if you have any questions. 178 00:14:15,839 --> 00:14:19,880 Be more than happy to answer. 179 00:14:20,639 --> 00:14:25,639 Any questions of our architect? 180 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,160 » Uh, just to kind of confirm for the 181 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:33,199 record, all of the mechanical units are 182 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,240 located. Um, where and are they all 183 00:14:33,199 --> 00:14:36,320 screened? 184 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,560 » So, actually, I did want to ask about 185 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:45,519 that. I know one of the scenic 186 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:48,800 requirements is a metal uh roof and we 187 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:50,639 have parapits around the entire roof. 188 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:53,440 So, you will actually 189 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:56,720 that roof assembly and we're doing a low 190 00:14:53,440 --> 00:15:00,079 slope quarter inch per foot and so we 191 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:02,880 feel like a PVC roof makes more sense in 192 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:04,800 that case. Yes, the parapit is high 193 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,959 enough to completely conceal the 194 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,639 mechanical units which will be on the 195 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:13,839 roof as well. It'll also make flashing 196 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:16,800 to all the um curbs associated with 197 00:15:13,839 --> 00:15:19,040 those mechanical units much easier. Uh 198 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:21,760 we do want 199 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:24,399 Sarnophil PVC product which is fire 200 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,480 resistant. Um it has you know the 201 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:31,279 Florida building code approval. It has 202 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:33,519 Miami Dade um approval. So I mean it's a 203 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:36,399 it's a good quality project that will 204 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:39,279 reduce you know that will resist any you 205 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:42,720 know wind uplift or anything like that. 206 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:45,440 Um so we are asking for a variance on 207 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,120 that. 208 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,105 I'm not sure if there's a process that 209 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,959 we need to go through to get approval 210 00:15:49,105 --> 00:15:53,279 [clears throat] on that. Our drawings 211 00:15:50,959 --> 00:15:55,120 are currently showing the metal roofing 212 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:58,639 only because that was a requirement, but 213 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:01,920 we would like to change if possible to a 214 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:03,839 PVC roof product. 215 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,399 » Tim, can you answer a question? 216 00:16:03,839 --> 00:16:07,680 » Yes. 217 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:09,680 » I mean, the metal roof requirement, in 218 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,360 my opinion, was always associated with 219 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:15,040 sloped roofs because we don't want 220 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,720 asphalt shingles on 98. 221 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,920 I never thought that that applied. I 222 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,920 wouldn't have even thought this was a 223 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,399 variance if they have a fully parapit a 224 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:25,040 full, you know, four-sided parapit on 225 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:28,800 this building that we would have to use 226 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:31,800 a variance to approve a like a TPO type 227 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,800 roof. 228 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:42,160 » We have approved membrane multiple 229 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:44,240 times. The code says barrel tile, 230 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,040 standing sea metal, concrete tile, 231 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:49,199 slate, copper, wood shingles, slshakes, 232 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,759 dimensional asphalt shingles, but 233 00:16:49,199 --> 00:16:53,759 typically a parapit roof is is membrane, 234 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:54,880 and we've done that plenty plenty of 235 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,160 times. 236 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,079 » So, I mean, I think what you're 237 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,839 proposing is totally fine. I just 238 00:16:58,079 --> 00:17:04,199 » I put standing seam metal because that's 239 00:16:59,839 --> 00:17:04,199 what that's what you have on there. 240 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:11,079 notion. 241 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,319 » Well, and that's very typical. Like I 242 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,400 said, we we've improved that plenty of 243 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:21,199 times just because it is very typical. 244 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,520 » Do we have to approve that because it's 245 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:24,880 specifically not one of the items 246 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,480 listed. That's not something that can go 247 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,240 on a staff level. 248 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,280 » We 249 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,880 never have in the past. 250 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,280 » An incredible burden. 251 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:35,360 » We never have in the past. So from a 252 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:38,240 process standpoint, because it was not 253 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:40,400 advertised as a deviation, we cannot on 254 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,400 the floor approve a deviation. 255 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,360 » Right. All she really needs to do is 256 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:48,160 resubmit it with the membrane route, 257 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:50,799 » Right? And I don't think that you get 258 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:54,320 any push back about that. Um the the 259 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:56,160 deviation request process is is not um 260 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,440 we're not like a like the board of 261 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,600 zoning appeals, you know. 262 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,679 » So we had originally submitted it as a 263 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,679 PBC and that was a 264 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,760 Technically, it's not, but I mean, we've 265 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:15,039 » We've approved that plenty of times. 266 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,960 » That might be something we need to 267 00:18:15,039 --> 00:18:19,120 adjust in the code then. I mean, if we 268 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,559 think about a Walmart or any of these 269 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:22,000 large buildings, they all have a 270 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:23,440 membrane style roof. 271 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,960 » Unfortunately, it doesn't look like 272 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,600 they're going to let us move forward 273 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:30,240 because of SP180. and you know we were 274 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:32,960 in the process of doing these changes 275 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:35,360 and I'm very much of a believer that 276 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:38,320 it's not putting an additional burden on 277 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:40,080 anyone. Um but yeah, I mean that would 278 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,640 be ideal if we're in the process of 279 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,880 changing it to add that. 280 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:47,919 I don't know exactly how that came about 281 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:50,160 because it's not specifically listed but 282 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:53,120 we've been approving those for years. 283 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,760 » Right. 284 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:58,400 So from a process standpoint, 285 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,320 unfortunately what we can do tonight is 286 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,360 um take action on the project as it's 287 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:05,760 presented. 288 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:09,200 » Um but with a separate project um 289 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,320 request that can come um probably next 290 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,240 month if you can get that. 291 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,360 » I think you can just make a condition 292 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,600 and she can resubmit the plan. 293 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:20,400 » I mean we've never made anyone else do a 294 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:22,320 deviation for membrane roof. So why 295 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,440 would why would 296 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,799 » It's not going to alter 297 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,559 » It this I mean clearly in the drawings 298 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:30,720 it's not an AR it's not a standing seam 299 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:32,240 roof. You couldn't do what what the 300 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,880 drawings show with a standing seam roof. 301 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,160 So I I think it's just the words on the 302 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,480 piece of paper. 303 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:42,400 » Um and so uh I'm very comfortable. Um 304 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,919 » Okay. 305 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,200 I just don't want there to be any any 306 00:19:43,919 --> 00:19:47,039 issues with [clears throat] with process 307 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:50,240 on how we've done this. You just need to 308 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:52,640 make it not a condition per se, but just 309 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,360 put in your motion that they can change 310 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,480 it out and then they just submit new 311 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:58,400 plans. 312 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,760 » Yeah. With the membrane. Well, actually, 313 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,360 in this case, it's probably just a 314 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,120 labeling thing. 315 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:04,400 » I'm totally fine with that. I just want 316 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:04,880 to make sure that the process isn't 317 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,880 going to be 318 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,600 » Correct the notation. Basically, that's 319 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,360 it. 320 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,840 » Yeah. I think all she would have to do 321 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:14,480 if you guys approve it tonight is just, 322 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:16,559 you know, upload a new set of plans and 323 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,280 those will be the the final the final 324 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:19,760 plans. 325 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,919 » Okay, I'm good with that. 326 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,679 » And we could cloud all those notes so 327 00:20:21,919 --> 00:20:25,520 that you can see that. 328 00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:27,440 » And I do appreciate the sections you 329 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,799 provided with the view lines to the 330 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,080 rooftop equipment. That was very 331 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:32,080 helpful. 332 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,400 Yeah, we even did one all the way to to 333 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,480 98 so that we saw that 334 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:38,480 » You can see that there's just no 335 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,039 visibility whatsoever. 336 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,520 » Yeah, very helpful. 337 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,039 » So, I have another um question. This 338 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,600 this will probably confuse everybody for 339 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:49,679 a second, but just indulge me. Um is 340 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,080 there a a person who actually works with 341 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:53,200 the St. Joe Company present? 342 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,840 » Hi. 343 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:58,400 » So, um I just came from the South Walton 344 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:01,520 Fire District budget meeting. Um I'm a 345 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:04,159 commissioner on that board and um at the 346 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,000 last meeting we went through this board 347 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:08,080 went through a lot of effort to make 348 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,400 sure that uh the sign proposal that 349 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,760 y'all brought was approved and we we 350 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,039 kind of been over backwards to work 351 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,480 through all the little challenges that 352 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:17,600 came up and I think we're going to do 353 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,960 the same thing tonight on this. Um, but 354 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,960 uh, one of the things that I'm working 355 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,400 on with that hat on, this fire district 356 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,520 hat on, is is trying to get the fire 357 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,960 station going in Water Sound and clearly 358 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,280 you guys are moving forward with a lot 359 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,880 of development. And right now, uh, my 360 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,200 understanding after several 361 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,799 conversations is we're hung up on 362 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,200 getting an easement sorted out between 363 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:39,039 Florida Power and Light and St. Joe. And 364 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,520 I just want to encourage you to get 365 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:43,200 whatever it needs to get done done 366 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,679 because we're getting very frustrated 367 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,760 about the amount of time and money. We 368 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:49,760 have a fire we have a crew of guys and a 369 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,919 truck crammed into the Inlet Beach 370 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,280 Station that we need to have there that 371 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:55,679 are supposed to be at this new fire 372 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:59,760 station. So, um we really need to get 373 00:21:55,679 --> 00:22:01,440 that going. So, uh if you want to share 374 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,520 with the other folks in your 375 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,200 organization that at least one person 376 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:08,480 who sits on multiple boards is getting 377 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,080 very frustrated about this. Thanks. 378 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,600 » I bet who's not here is Florida Power 379 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,679 and Light. 380 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:19,200 » They're Yes, I know. [laughter] 381 00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:20,559 But uh I think it's Kathy Katherine um 382 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,960 you you have the background to know what 383 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:26,559 it is I'm talking about. So I just uh 384 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,240 again I'm uh going to show my um good 385 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,440 faith that at whatever point that we 386 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,520 finished our discussion I'm going to 387 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,159 make a motion to approve the project. 388 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:38,280 But if you bring another project back I 389 00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:38,280 might not be so nice next time. 390 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,720 Is that an actual motion you want to? 391 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,480 » Oh, yeah. Everybody I I didn't want to 392 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,520 cut short the uh the discussion. I think 393 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,039 it's a wonderful wonderful 394 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,559 » No, I was just commenting for our light 395 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,240 takes forever to do everything. So, 396 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:54,240 » They do, but this has been this has been 397 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,159 many years and we are starting to have 398 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,760 um one of the things we discussed is how 399 00:22:56,159 --> 00:22:58,320 many times we've rolled over the m the 400 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:58,720 budget. 401 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,400 » Sure. 402 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,600 » For this fire station and 403 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,840 » The fire station is going to be there 404 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,919 for a reason. Yeah. It need it needs to 405 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,919 happen. 406 00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:10,480 So anyway, with that, if uh if we have 407 00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:12,640 finished discussing the building, um I'm 408 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,320 gonna I'll make a motion to approve the 409 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,520 project as presented with the 410 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,840 understanding that the um roofing 411 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,880 material inside the parapit is 412 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,440 anticipated to be a PVC I believe. 413 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,720 » Correct. 414 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,720 » Um in lie of the standing seam metal. 415 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,360 » Second motion and a second. All in 416 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,080 favor? 417 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,440 » I. 418 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,400 » Motion passes. Thank you. 419 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:37,600 » Thank you. 420 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,240 All right, Tim. Item three, panhandle 421 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,159 patio. 422 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,640 » Well, it's actually honest, but I I I 423 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:45,039 did misspeak. I guess there is a an 424 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,200 announcement. We normally do 425 00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:50,480 continuances and whatnot under that 426 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:53,200 heading. And item number four is being 427 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,200 requested to be removed from the agenda 428 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:58,240 because it was already previously 429 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:01,120 approved by this board. So, it did not 430 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:06,200 need to come back. So, we're just asking 431 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:06,200 you to remove it from the agenda. 432 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:14,240 » The monument sign for Santa Rosa Plaza. 433 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,880 » Yes. It It's a little tricky because you 434 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:21,120 guys approved it with their MSP. The MSP 435 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:23,440 doesn't normally approve monument signs, 436 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:26,000 but you didn't want to have them to come 437 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:29,760 back, have to come back. It was right in 438 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:32,159 front of you. So, you approved it at 439 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,960 that time and I guess it just didn't get 440 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:40,000 taken off the agenda and we don't see a 441 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:42,799 reason to approve it a second time. 442 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,600 » Tim, could you clarify which project 443 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:46,240 that is? 444 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,159 » Number four, Santa Rosa Plaza monument 445 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,000 sign. 446 00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:52,080 Santa Rosa Plaza is at the corner of Don 447 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,240 Bishop Road and Highway 98. 448 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,120 » Okay. So, in the minutes of the last 449 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,880 meeting, Santa Rosa Plaza MSP 450 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,240 It says there was a discussion regarding 451 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,840 building colors depicted in the packet 452 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,520 and it was noted that the monument sign 453 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,520 was not part of this approval. 454 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,520 » Oh, 455 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:16,000 » Well, we just approved. So, we need to 456 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:19,360 open the minutes back up and fix that. 457 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,520 So, I did add a note in the uh final 458 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:24,240 decision of the workflow of Energ 459 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:28,000 stating that and I rewatched the video 460 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:30,320 that we did or that this board did 461 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,559 make the approval a separate approval 462 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,919 for the master sign plan and then a 463 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:39,919 separate approval for the monument sign. 464 00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:42,919 Um since as what Tim said, 465 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:42,919 » No 466 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,520 Okay, 467 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,840 » Got it. So then 468 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,400 » Staff approved the monument sign. That's 469 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,320 how the motion read, but that was my 470 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,480 understanding of the motion. 471 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,480 » So, 472 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,240 » Okay. But I think we need to clarify the 473 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,840 minutes because this sure reads like we 474 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,480 specifically pulled the monument sign 475 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,880 out. I I think we should we should amend 476 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,799 these minutes to read that the monument 477 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,559 sign was approved was considered 478 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:15,919 administratively or something to that 479 00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,640 effect. 480 00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:17,440 » Okay. 481 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,679 » Is that 482 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:22,480 » I think that's fine. 483 00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:24,480 » I think proceed procedurally I think any 484 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,880 we can reopen items. 485 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,720 » We can. Yeah. So I guess is that does 486 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,159 that need to be a vote to reopen the 487 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,960 item? 488 00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:32,159 » The official 489 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,919 » The minutes. 490 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,400 » Yeah. The minutes. Yeah. 491 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:37,520 » Okay. 492 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,520 » Okay. So 493 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,000 Y 494 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:46,240 » Oh, yeah. We can do that, too. 495 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,240 » So, I guess I'm going to move I think I 496 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,320 think the correct uh parliamentary 497 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,960 procedure is to reconsider. 498 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,440 » Okay. 499 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,640 » So, I make a motion to reconsider 500 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,679 » The meeting minutes of 501 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,200 » June 502 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:01,200 » June 4th. 503 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,840 » Right. We have a motion to reconsider. 504 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,120 » Second. 505 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,240 » All right. 506 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,080 » All in favor? 507 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,320 » I. All right. 508 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,159 » May I May I ask what that means for the 509 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,360 monument sign? Are we still going to 510 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:11,520 hear that? 511 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,039 » No. 512 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,120 » Even though my intent is just to get the 513 00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:15,600 minutes look like we 514 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,520 » Okay. 515 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,120 » It sort of looks like we we didn't want 516 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,080 to approve it the way the minutes are 517 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,000 written and 518 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,640 » But I remember we did say it could be 519 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,840 approved 520 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,240 » Administratively. Yes. 521 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,400 » Right. 522 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,039 » Okay. So I get I guess now the minutes 523 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,559 are on the table. 524 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:30,320 » The minutes are on the table. So if we'd 525 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:32,960 like to have a motion to continue the 526 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:36,400 minutes to the 527 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,400 um October 528 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,880 October 1st. 529 00:27:43,719 --> 00:27:47,440 [laughter] 530 00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:49,600 » October. 531 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,320 » We're gonna miss you, Tim. 532 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:55,520 » Can you just come back for fun? Um, 533 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:58,559 October 1st, uh, DRB meeting. 534 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:00,480 » So moved. 535 00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:03,120 » All right. 536 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,799 I second. Okay. All in favor? 537 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,440 » I. There we go. 538 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:13,279 » Um, okay. Now, heading back to uh the 539 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:14,880 removal of item four. Um, if we can 540 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:17,520 » Don't know what motion, 541 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,799 » No actions needed. We can just go. Okay. 542 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,039 So, the next item on our agenda was item 543 00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:25,919 number three. So, let's head up to 544 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:27,679 panhandle patio building sign. 545 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:29,840 » Okay. Okay. So, the panhandle patio 546 00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:32,840 building sign item number three, 547 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840 SGN260099. 548 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,360 This is a scenic corridor sign 549 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:39,200 application submitted by submitted by 550 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:42,080 Duncan Signs and Lighting on behalf of 551 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:44,240 Northline Investments LLC requesting 552 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:49,440 approval of a building sign measuring 35 553 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:52,720 in by 221 in for a total of 53.71 square 554 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,480 feet on 1.63 63 plus or minus acres with 555 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,640 a future land use of mixed use in a 556 00:28:54,480 --> 00:29:00,080 zoning category of coastal center. 557 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:03,039 Properties in district 4 at 1255 US 558 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,200 highway 98 West and can be identified by 559 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:07,200 the parcel number in your staff report. 560 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,679 May I enter the staff report into the 561 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,799 record? 562 00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:11,520 » All right. Noted. 563 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:14,799 » Um may I also note that the applicant 564 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,640 was not able to attend today? Um so if 565 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,640 you do have any questions that need to 566 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,399 be answered, I'll do my best to answer 567 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,960 them and if I cannot then I'll have to 568 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:25,440 pass those questions on to the applicant 569 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:30,399 um if you all decide to continue based 570 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,919 on those questions. With that said, um 571 00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:33,919 their proposal meets the minimum 572 00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:36,480 technical requirements and I don't have 573 00:29:33,919 --> 00:29:39,200 any comments further comments on that. 574 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,360 So, do you have any questions for me? 575 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,799 » Um is there any building lighting or 576 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,120 anything that's going to illuminate the 577 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:48,480 sign? 578 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,559 » No, they're not proposing 579 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,080 any lighting. It's a non-illuminated 580 00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:52,559 sign. 581 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,919 So, 582 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:56,240 » And there's nothing existing on the 583 00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:57,520 building that 584 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,720 » I think the question is, is there 585 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,720 anything on the building that's going to 586 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,120 light up the sign in place of the sign 587 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,200 being proposed is not illuminated? 588 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,279 » No. From what I'm seeing in their 589 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,480 renderings there, there's lighting on 590 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:12,000 the building. Uh, but it's not directed 591 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,520 upward toward the sign. 592 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,320 » Just sconce lighting on the 593 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,520 » Correct. Correct. 594 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,679 » Nothing that they're going to be able to 595 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,480 adjust to shine down or move around or 596 00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:21,480 anything like that. No. 597 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:32,520 » Any other questions of um staff? 598 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:32,520 » Um I 599 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:39,760 » So I understand the letters based on the 600 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:43,279 exhibit to be 601 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,279 20 and 12 in tall 602 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:48,240 and they are described as being a half 603 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:51,039 inch thick PVC. 604 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,120 But the application 605 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:55,679 says 606 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,440 raised individual routed letters that 607 00:30:55,679 --> 00:31:00,080 are between six and 12 in in height 608 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,679 shall have a minimum height of 3/4 in 609 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,360 and raised individual routed letters 610 00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:06,240 between 12 and 24 in shall have a 611 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:09,440 minimum rise of 1 in and the applicant 612 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,440 had written NA 613 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,600 all that but it seems like they are not 614 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,600 thick enough 615 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:21,039 I don't know if they can laminate two 616 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:23,120 pieces inch thick PVC together. But I I 617 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,799 think for a 20 inch tall letter, it has 618 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,480 to be one inch thick. 619 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:28,080 » Okay. 620 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:31,039 » I would agree with you. The 621 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:34,039 dimensionality that we've talked about 622 00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:34,039 um 623 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:50,120 and the 9 in letters need to be at least 624 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:50,120 3 in. 625 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,799 » I can pass that feedback on to the 626 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,799 applicant. Um, 627 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,000 yeah, I did not 628 00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:09,919 Yeah, they did not propose that level of 629 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:12,080 thickness for those letters. 630 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:15,240 So, that's definitely something that can 631 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,240 be corrected. 632 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,720 Typically, if the applicant was here, we 633 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,720 would ask them if that they would be 634 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,919 acceptable of that as a condition of 635 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,360 approval. 636 00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:26,799 » Um, 637 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,240 » From the conversations that I've had 638 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:30,480 with the applicant, I believe that they 639 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,360 would be they would be willing to 640 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,960 » To make those. 641 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,840 » Yeah. To make those changes. I don't 642 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,279 think that they would have any push back 643 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,600 because they really wanted to be able to 644 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,200 make it today, but I told them that I 645 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:44,200 would speak on their behalf. 646 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,200 » Okay. 647 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,360 I think in terms of the colors, the all 648 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:52,000 that stuff, it looks great. 649 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,080 » I guess do we uh would everybody be 650 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,240 comfortable if we approved it contingent 651 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,880 on the thicknesses meeting? 652 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,000 » I would. 653 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,559 » Minimum. 654 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,399 » Absolutely. 655 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,720 » Yes. 656 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:02,480 » Okay. 657 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,519 » Well, I will make a motion to Oh, I'm 658 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,760 sorry. We got more to go. 659 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:07,360 » Yep. I got um 660 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,519 » We'll finish with staff and then we have 661 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,039 a Yep. 662 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,279 And we may have actually missed that one 663 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:17,640 on origins because I don't have a check 664 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:17,640 mark next to that. Um, 665 00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:21,360 if we opened and closed a public comment 666 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,668 session, we did not. 667 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,799 » Sorry, I scared them off with my 668 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:27,039 [laughter] 669 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:30,320 They moved pretty quick when 670 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:32,880 » Um, apologies then. Um, 671 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,960 let's finish up here and then we'll sort 672 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,760 my 673 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,440 hair. 674 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,159 » Any other questions? Any other questions 675 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,519 for item three? All right, seeing none, 676 00:33:40,159 --> 00:33:46,080 anyone from the audience want to speak 677 00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:47,120 on item three? And seeing no one, um 678 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,679 would you care to make a motion? 679 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:48,480 » I will. 680 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:51,120 » Okay. 681 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:54,320 » I move that we approve uh the panhandle 682 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:58,640 patio furniture building sign as 683 00:33:54,320 --> 00:34:01,039 presented contingent on the 684 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,120 uh larger letters being at least one 685 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:06,720 inch thick and the lower uh patio 686 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:11,520 furniture 687 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:13,760 Word be 3/4 of an inch thick. 688 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,960 » Second. Have a motion, a second. All in 689 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,079 favor? 690 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,159 » I 691 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:20,079 » All right. The item passes. 692 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,359 » Um 693 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,040 » I did. 694 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:25,040 » Do we need to go back and take any 695 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,359 action for origins with the public 696 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:29,200 comment or 697 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:31,440 » Yeah. 698 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:34,480 » Is anyone from the audience here to 699 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,839 speak on item two, the origins building 700 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:40,240 less than minor? and seeing no one. 701 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:42,639 Sorry about that. 702 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:45,679 Got ahead of my check marks. 703 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:50,720 All right. Um so we have removed item 704 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:52,800 four. Um going on to item um five and 705 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:54,320 six, the Euro market signs. If you 706 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,639 wouldn't mind to present them together, 707 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:59,440 please. 708 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:01,920 So this is the item number five and six 709 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:07,079 zero market 3A building sign and 710 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:07,079 monument sign uh SGN260000101 711 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,880 and 000000102. 712 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,359 These are both scenic corridor uh sign 713 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:20,400 applications submitted by Euro market 38 714 00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:22,880 LLC on behalf of ING Arc LLC. 715 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:27,839 Um requesting approval of the building 716 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:31,760 sign measuring 144 in x 24 in for a 717 00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:35,599 total of 24 square ft and the monument 718 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:40,160 sign measuring 48 in x 72 in for a total 719 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:42,240 of 24 square ft on 649 plus or minus 720 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,720 acres with the future land use of mixed 721 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,960 use and a zoning category of village 722 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:49,520 mixed use. Uh both properties are 723 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:52,160 located or both signs are located in 724 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,040 district 5 at 4770 725 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,119 US highway 98 west and can be identified 726 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,359 by the parcel number in your staff 727 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,720 reports. May enter both staff reports 728 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:02,000 into the record. 729 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,480 » So noted. 730 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,720 » So would this board like to start with 731 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,760 the building sign 732 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,880 discussion and then monument sign? 733 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,880 » Yep, we can do that. 734 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:17,280 » Okay. So, for the building sign, um, 735 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,839 what the applicant proposed appears to 736 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:23,680 meet our requirements. 737 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:26,680 Um, I did not have any further comment. 738 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,680 Um, 739 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,240 well, I did have a discussion with the 740 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:35,599 applicant about their rendering. Um, 741 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:38,000 under exhibit C. I know that we measure 742 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:41,440 our sign area based on the smallest 743 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:45,040 rectangle around that copy area as 744 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,640 possible. Um 745 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,320 I know that they were trying to do their 746 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:52,960 best there. Um so I'll leave that final 747 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:56,880 decision with the board um on whether 748 00:36:52,960 --> 00:37:00,560 that will suffice. Uh but based on how 749 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,320 they measured their sign area 750 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:06,560 with the smallest rectangle around that 751 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:08,480 copy area, it does meet the requirement. 752 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,760 So do you have any questions regarding 753 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,680 the building sign? 754 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,520 » Do we have any additional information 755 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,839 about how the sign is constructed or 756 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,359 mounted 757 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:19,119 » Material 758 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:22,240 in there? And it appears like they 759 00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:23,599 furred this out over the doors. It 760 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,839 appears like the 761 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,760 » In the rendering, 762 00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:31,920 which looks fantastic, but it's it's 763 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:35,800 just hard to tell how 764 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,800 » It's like the applicant's here. 765 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,440 eight months ago, but I translate if you 766 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,440 don't mind. 767 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,720 » Okay, sure. Um, we'll finish our 768 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,359 presentation here and then we'll have 769 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:54,359 you come up. Okay. 770 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:03,440 » I can put how this lights go to the wall 771 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:07,000 and 772 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,000 lights inside. 773 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,599 » So, it looks like we have aluminum and 774 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,880 » LED. 775 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,560 We're gonna have you go down to the 776 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,400 microphone as soon as we're done with 777 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,240 our planner discussion and we'll invite 778 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,680 you up. 779 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:23,119 » You're gonna handle staff questions 780 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,680 first and then they're going to give you 781 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,680 an opportunity to 782 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:31,240 » Yeah, of course. 783 00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:58,000 Do you have any other questions for 784 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,359 staff before I hand it over to the 785 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,720 applicant? 786 00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:03,440 just if there's anything else missing 787 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:07,119 from the packet that might notate um how 788 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,960 this thing is actually connected or 789 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,560 where the wiring is going to to provide 790 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,880 the power or anything like that any sort 791 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,359 of 792 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:11,839 » No. 793 00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:12,240 » Okay. 794 00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:13,520 » No. 795 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,359 » And also I noticed there were three 796 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:18,000 other down lights proposed on this 797 00:39:15,359 --> 00:39:19,520 besides just this sign that are not 798 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,520 currently on the building or are they 799 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,040 and just not shown but they're shown in 800 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,440 the rendering. 801 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:31,040 » It is hard to tell and that was not 802 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:34,800 provided in the packet. Um but based on 803 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:37,040 one of the images on exhibit C, uh the 804 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,680 first image, it appears that those 805 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,440 additional lights are not placed on the 806 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,920 building as of yet. 807 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,800 » Right. 808 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,240 » Um 809 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,920 » So that would not be something that we 810 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:49,359 would be approving today. 811 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,839 » No, it would just be for the facade 812 00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:54,839 building sign and the monument sign. 813 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:54,839 » Okay. 814 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,720 Thank you. 815 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:05,119 » Okay. And I believe the applicants um 816 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:07,839 are definitely going to be willing to 817 00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:11,480 make whatever changes are necessary to 818 00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:11,480 help them reach compliance. 819 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,160 Um there in the photograph of the 820 00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:26,960 existing condition, there is an object 821 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:28,480 of some sort that is sort of just a few 822 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,760 feet off the front of the building. I 823 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:34,000 don't know if that is that a for sale 824 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:35,760 sign. That object right there. 825 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,640 But I want to make sure if it's an if 826 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,720 it's another sign then it would have to 827 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:44,599 come out of course for sale sign. Of 828 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,599 course I'm not. 829 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:53,800 » This is like a 4x4 830 00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:59,599 like 4x4 and 831 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:03,920 » Oh it's just a post 832 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:07,040 » Like I put like a chain to the row we 833 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,000 cut after that. 834 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,440 » Okay. 835 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,200 » Only four by four. 836 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,760 » Okay. So, it does not appear to be 837 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:12,720 assigned. 838 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,000 » It's not a sign. That's great. I just 839 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,359 wanted to make sure. Yeah, it looked 840 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,319 permanent. Whatever it was, I wanted to 841 00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:19,319 make sure it wasn't signed. Okay. 842 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,800 » Any other questions of staff on the 843 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,000 monument sign 844 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:30,720 » Or the building sign? 845 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000 » And it's very similar renderings to the 846 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,640 monument sign 847 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,200 » Portion of this application, too. So I'm 848 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,960 I'm I'm guessing the rendering shows 849 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,960 that the monument side and the building 850 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,280 are very close in color. 851 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,599 » Yes. 852 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,640 » Whereas in existence right now they're 853 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:49,200 not part of that. So are they going to 854 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,880 be painting that monument sign to match 855 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,880 the building or are they making the 856 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,960 building darker to match the monument 857 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,880 sign 858 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,880 » Or are they are you going to fac 859 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,880 » So from the renderings my 860 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,839 » Different facade. My assumption is that 861 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,800 the monument sign would be painted to 862 00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:08,240 match the color of the building sign. 863 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,680 » I think we'll have to ask that 864 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,440 » Necessarily the architecture of the 865 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,359 building, but maybe the applicant can 866 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,280 speak to that a little bit better than 867 00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:18,280 what was provided in the renderings. 868 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,280 » Okay. 869 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:25,680 » Any other questions of staff? 870 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:28,160 » Okay. our applicant would come up and 871 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:32,079 we'll um to the microphone and state 872 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:35,280 your name for the record please. 873 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:39,520 » Hello. Uh my name is Vasili. Uh this is 874 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,920 Anna. Uh she open I help you uh here 875 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,640 from translated and opening this store 876 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:48,480 grocery store. And uh we don't want to 877 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:51,280 pay paint for this Stella. He's just put 878 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:54,440 like a letter that's it. We don't want 879 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,440 to paint 880 00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:01,200 » And I don't know what I need. 881 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,599 Give you 882 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:07,520 » Um 883 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:10,000 » If you need something, you tell me. 884 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,760 » Guess one thing. We're on the building 885 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,280 sign right now. So, the building sign 886 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:17,119 letters are back lit, channel letters. 887 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,800 Can you confirm that the letters on the 888 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:21,800 monument sign are not backlit? 889 00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:32,240 Uh we right now he's not to the lights 890 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:36,640 because I bring this one. We need like 891 00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:39,599 uh put everything and then he's lighting 892 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,599 » On the the monument sign. The letters do 893 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:43,839 not have light or do have light 894 00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:46,839 » Have light same but a little bit 895 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,839 smaller. 896 00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:52,560 Same same leather, same material. 897 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,680 » We do. 898 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:57,280 » Okay, that's right. 899 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,640 » That's just not what the 900 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,720 » Yeah, the rendering shows that it's 901 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,480 looks like it's lit from above casting 902 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,920 down, but that the letters are not lit 903 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,319 themselves. 904 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,560 » But the letters will be lit just like 905 00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:09,560 the building. 906 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:19,880 Uh you like looking like a photo 907 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,880 right now. 908 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,560 » So I I think I might be able to answer 909 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:35,440 that. So, it appears from the from the 910 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,839 renderings that the building sign 911 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:41,440 letters will be back lit, but the 912 00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:44,079 letters on the monument sign will be lit 913 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,800 from that lighting that is Yeah, the 914 00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:45,200 down lit. 915 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,480 » Okay. 916 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,400 » Down lighting onto those letters. So, 917 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,599 » And I'm wondering if that's just an 918 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,640 issue with the rendering. 919 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,400 » Yeah, I'm 920 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,599 » Because there's not a light there in 921 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,440 actuality. 922 00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:00,640 » I'm I'm guessing that the rendering has 923 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:03,119 liberties. Yeah, we can do from uh if 924 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:07,200 you want to we can put like this lights 925 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:10,400 to the up and we can do uh put leather 926 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:13,920 with uh lights like this. How you 927 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:17,520 approve us? We put like this because 928 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,440 right now this photo uh GPT 929 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,240 » Yeah. [laughter] 930 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,440 » Yeah. Is the the monument sign the 931 00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,839 monument sign out in front of the 932 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:30,599 building. Is it double-sided? 933 00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:30,599 Yeah, he's double side but 934 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:40,319 yeah both side is uh we can put because 935 00:45:37,359 --> 00:45:43,319 people when going you need see this 936 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:43,319 market 937 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,280 » Is then still compliant both side the 938 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:51,440 sign face 939 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:54,440 » Who side this side and behind side same 940 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,440 » So 941 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,680 From what I've been provided, um, 942 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,240 there's no way of knowing for sure that 943 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,079 it's double-sided, but they would 944 00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,599 definitely need to add that to the 945 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:10,119 renderings 946 00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:10,119 um, for clarity. 947 00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:19,359 Yeah, as long as it's in the 948 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:22,960 » Yeah, we do allow doublesided monument 949 00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:27,800 signs, but it would need to be defined 950 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,800 in um more detailed renderings. 951 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:37,119 I mean, I think if if this um math is 952 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:40,640 correct, then we we do have enough room 953 00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:41,200 for the the two sign faces. 954 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,720 » Yeah. 955 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,040 » So, 956 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:46,800 um 957 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,480 » Based on the square footage of the copy 958 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,800 area, I think that they can make that 959 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,520 work. 960 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:55,280 » We would just need to, I think, address 961 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,079 that and conditions so that they don't 962 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,079 have to come back. 963 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,079 Um, 964 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,839 any other questions of our applicant? 965 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,440 All right. Thank you. Um, anyone from 966 00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:18,960 the audience want to speak on either 967 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:23,920 item five or six? 968 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:26,880 And not seeing anyone there. Um, 969 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:29,520 does anyone have problem with the 970 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:33,119 monument sign being either 971 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:36,520 uplit or or sorry, down lit or 972 00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:36,520 halo lit? 973 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,440 » As long as the maximum letter size is 24 974 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,920 in, I'm 975 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,000 » Okay. 976 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,839 » They don't really have the structure 977 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,480 above for the overhead lighting right 978 00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:51,680 now, right? you know that that crown is 979 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,680 applied like straight onto the face. 980 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,440 » So if it wasn't back lit, I think it 981 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,119 would actually need to be lit from a 982 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,119 ground light. So 983 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:00,160 » If they were preferring to do back lit, 984 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,200 I would just assume 985 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,680 » I think it would look better, too, 986 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,119 honestly. 987 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,640 » Yeah, I like that one. I like the back 988 00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:07,200 lit because it really gives a nice 989 00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:10,000 streamline look. 990 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,760 Um, I think that it probably makes sense 991 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,800 to include, 992 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,800 » But the address won't be back or it 993 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,800 will. 994 00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:24,358 » How much glow are those? 995 00:48:22,338 --> 00:48:24,358 [clears throat] 996 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,319 » It should be visible. 997 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,839 » They're allowed to halo light all of 998 00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:33,040 these letters on the monument sign as 999 00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:33,440 well as the address, right? 1000 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:33,839 » Yes. 1001 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,160 » Yeah. 1002 00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:37,520 » Okay. then that would probably be the 1003 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,480 recommendation that they keep it 1004 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,640 consistent. 1005 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:44,319 » Right. Right. I would think that if 1006 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,319 you're going to um have backlit letters 1007 00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:49,359 on the monument sign, it would make 1008 00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:52,240 sense to include the the address numbers 1009 00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:54,160 in that 1010 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,520 just for consistency. 1011 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,240 » And what does the board think about 1012 00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,880 keeping the existing sign a different 1013 00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:02,000 color from the building itself? 1014 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,680 Um 1015 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,800 » You know in the rendering they show very 1016 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,640 similar 1017 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,839 » And clean and streamlined. However, in 1018 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,960 the existing 1019 00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:10,079 » It's not Yeah, 1020 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,079 » Not at all. Yeah. 1021 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,079 » Um 1022 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:18,960 I mean we always ask that they do match. 1023 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,559 Um 1024 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,400 » Maybe whiteashing that. 1025 00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:24,240 » Yeah, I think I mean I feel like that's 1026 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,200 probably 1027 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:30,640 » It would make those reasonable 1028 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,640 » Um for the monument sign to have 1029 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,640 a finished treatment to match the 1030 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,640 building. 1031 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:47,599 » Um so for the applicant what we are 1032 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:50,400 asking is the code states that the 1033 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:53,760 materials of a monument should reflect 1034 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:56,640 the materials on the building as well. 1035 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,760 So, since the building has whitewashed 1036 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:01,359 or white painted brick, we're asking if 1037 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,400 you would be willing to paint the 1038 00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:07,119 monument prior to um your application of 1039 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:10,079 these sign letters so that the monument 1040 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,880 does indeed match the materials of the 1041 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:14,559 building. 1042 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:16,640 » Yeah, no problem. You want to uh I need 1043 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:19,440 painting like a stellar. Is this 1044 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:23,559 monument same color to the building? 1045 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,559 » Yes. Yes. No problem. 1046 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,960 » Yep. 1047 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:36,319 » Could I see the sample better again? 1048 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,839 [clears throat] 1049 00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:40,880 » I'm a little confused how this thing 1050 00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:43,040 where it gets wired into. 1051 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,839 » I just making sure that the I guess you 1052 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,640 call it serif. 1053 00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:49,000 » It's very light. 1054 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,000 » Yeah, it's all all in there. So 1055 00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:03,119 Are is your building sign 1056 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,480 every letter attached to the building? 1057 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,800 Every letter is attached to the building 1058 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:09,119 or is it on a bar behind it that they're 1059 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,240 attached on? 1060 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,680 » Uh every 1061 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:17,200 letter like this. 1062 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:20,200 » Okay. So you will use those connections. 1063 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,200 Okay. 1064 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,119 » Okay. So, we'll need two separate 1065 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,359 motions, one for the building and one 1066 00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:46,000 for the monument. Um 1067 00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:48,880 » I have I do have one one more uh comment 1068 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,520 to make. Um 1069 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:55,119 the lighting 1070 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,720 not not the not this lighting but the 1071 00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:59,920 lighting on the building and the sign 1072 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:05,520 lighting. Um we want to make sure that's 1073 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:06,160 not overdone, not excessively bright. Um 1074 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,000 » No 1075 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,040 » I mean it's not on the 1076 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,400 » We're not approving that light. 1077 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,240 » Oh okay. We're not approving it. Okay. 1078 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,760 We've already Okay. Sorry, we're not 1079 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,880 focused on something else. Okay, great. 1080 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,760 Awesome. Thank you. That takes care of 1081 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,079 me. 1082 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,440 » Okay. 1083 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:19,200 » I was curious about that. I mean, it 1084 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,559 doesn't look bad, but there's no specs 1085 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,760 on it that there's no drawings on it. 1086 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,960 » No, that's I was I was just getting 1087 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,000 nervous that if we approved a light that 1088 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,240 we have, 1089 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:29,280 » It could be the wrong color. And the 1090 00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,720 advertised as building and monument sign 1091 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,240 me. 1092 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,440 » And I'll make it clear to the applicants 1093 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,680 to not 1094 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,800 » Yeah. No. Yeah. No lighting. 1095 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,359 » If they want lighting, they just have to 1096 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,000 bring it back. 1097 00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:42,079 » Correct. Correct. detail about the color 1098 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,480 and the intensity and all that stuff. 1099 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:43,200 » Definitely. 1100 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,240 » Cool. 1101 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,200 » We may. 1102 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:49,200 » All right. So, would someone care to try 1103 00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,040 their hand at item five, the building 1104 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,760 sign? 1105 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:57,599 » I make a motion to approve item five, 1106 00:52:53,760 --> 00:53:00,800 the building sign based on the example 1107 00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:03,800 brought for the signage only, not the 1108 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,800 lighting. 1109 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,680 » Sorry. 1110 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,599 Right. 1111 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:17,200 » I motion to approve the signage for our 1112 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:21,359 item for Euro Market 30A for the signage 1113 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:23,280 only, not the lighting. 1114 00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:24,400 » Building sign and monument sign. 1115 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,000 Correct. 1116 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,000 » Just building. Sorry, my bad. 1117 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:32,319 » Since there's no detail, maybe explain 1118 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:36,480 it as the black um aluminum 1119 00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:40,520 » Black LED lit letters individually. 1120 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,520 I motion to approve that. 1121 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,960 » We have a motion and a second. All in 1122 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,000 favor? 1123 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,960 » I. 1124 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:51,119 » Okay. 1125 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:53,680 » Item six, the monument sign. 1126 00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:55,920 » I'll make a motion to approve item 1127 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,920 number six, your market 38 monument 1128 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:01,520 sign. 1129 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,520 with the caveat that we whitewash or 1130 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:06,640 make the brick white to match the 1131 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:09,520 building in in color in some form to 1132 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:13,760 bring the design together there. The 1133 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:17,680 letters may be lit in halo dome lit and 1134 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:19,359 the address may be also lit. 1135 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:23,000 No other additional lighting to be added 1136 00:54:19,359 --> 00:54:23,000 to that monument sign. 1137 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,760 » Okay, we have a motion. 1138 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,680 » Second. 1139 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,319 » Second. All in favor? I 1140 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,839 » I 1141 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:33,119 » All right. And we are approved on both 1142 00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:33,920 five and six. 1143 00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:34,559 » Thank you. 1144 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,400 » Thank you. 1145 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:42,680 » And um additional business. 1146 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,680 » I know you wanted to bring something up 1147 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,760 the sidewalk in 1148 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:49,440 » Yeah, that was a happy thing to see on 1149 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,680 the plan, wasn't it? It was 1150 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,359 » I feel like it goes back to the original 1151 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,960 master plan is where that's coming from. 1152 00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:59,273 I think it just keeps getting copied 1153 00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:00,240 over. Well, no, I understand. Thank you. 1154 00:54:59,273 --> 00:55:00,800 [laughter] 1155 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:02,240 » Yeah, welcome. 1156 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,880 » We look forward to it. 1157 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:08,480 » Um, yeah, I just, you know, I'd like to 1158 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:10,079 see the codes of applied um and I do see 1159 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,760 people I saw some people on the way to 1160 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:15,440 this meeting uh riding bicycles um on 1161 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:18,240 the there is a little section of bike 1162 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,839 lane on on uh 98 right there, 1163 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,640 » But uh they would be a lot more 1164 00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:22,319 comfortable. Well, there's a lot of 1165 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,680 pedestrians in that area going from the 1166 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:27,839 apartments coming from south of 98 and 1167 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,160 they're moving on that roadway. I think 1168 00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:32,000 we require sidewalks of other 1169 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,040 developments. I think we should require 1170 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,680 it of this one. 1171 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,359 » Do do we have any idea of where FDOT is 1172 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,240 at with this and that's probably more of 1173 00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,599 a question for Tim. 1174 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:41,359 » They're years away from the actual 1175 00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,760 installation. They're still in in the 1176 00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:45,599 they're at the end of the PD&E study and 1177 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:47,359 they've just selected the engineers to 1178 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:51,440 begin designing. I heard the next 1179 00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:51,839 segment would be from 38 to 3:31, 1180 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,839 » Right? 1181 00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:56,480 » So, it's going to be some time before 1182 00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:57,599 they eventually it'll get widened, but 1183 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,839 no time soon. 1184 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,240 » Yeah. 1185 00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:01,839 » So, David, you would like to see St. Joe 1186 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:04,559 go ahead and front the bell to put a 1187 00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,960 sidewalk in and not wait on FDOT to 1188 00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,640 finish. 1189 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,880 » Yeah. Now, is it possible that they did 1190 00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,720 a payment in L or something for that? 1191 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,079 Uh, 1192 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:12,400 » I mean they showed it in their drawing. 1193 00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,839 So, 1194 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:18,559 » But doubtful. Um, 1195 00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:21,839 typically we don't allow that on 98 1196 00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:23,599 because we want a continuous sidewalk. 1197 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:26,640 » I haven't really been involved with 1198 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:29,040 origins. So, I don't know. I mean, the 1199 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:32,400 code absolutely says a sidewalk is 1200 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:34,319 required. Why it hasn't been built yet. 1201 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,240 They may have some arrangement that they 1202 00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:37,680 don't have to do it until a certain 1203 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:40,079 amount of development. Well, they 1204 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,599 haven't other people other people don't. 1205 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,240 Yeah, that's where I'm going is and as 1206 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:45,760 you heard, I'm getting increasingly 1207 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:48,240 frustrated 1208 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,920 » With St. Joe. They're very They're very 1209 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:51,520 They press us very hard. You got to 1210 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,480 approve this. You we got to do this now. 1211 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:57,760 And then when we ask for something 1212 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,799 » Yes, they they definitely pressed hard. 1213 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,880 » It's like they'll say, "Well, this 1214 00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:02,079 isn't, you know, it's not real road 1215 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,760 frontage. The building's set back." 1216 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,839 » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We can't We can't We 1217 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,359 got to ask road frontage there. 1218 00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:09,119 » Yeah. We're not sure if FDOT will let us 1219 00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:11,280 move this piece of driveway, but we got 1220 00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:14,160 them to move an entire highway one time, 1221 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,240 right? So, uh I don't I don't buy it. 1222 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,839 And you know, we represent the community 1223 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,160 and I'm here to say I'm getting 1224 00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:21,599 frustrated with St. Joe's attitude and 1225 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,000 they're on the way to build a whole lot 1226 00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:25,920 of stuff. And as I pointed out, I could 1227 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,520 have very easily said, I don't see the 1228 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,640 sidewalk. Your packet shows a sidewalk. 1229 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,480 You said it's not going to be in the 1230 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,160 project. Motion to deny. 1231 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,920 » And I would been perfectly justified in 1232 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,319 doing that. 1233 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,160 What's the hold up on the fire station? 1234 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:42,799 » They 1235 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:44,000 Yeah, this so we have to cross flour and 1236 00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:44,480 lights 1237 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,680 » Easement 1238 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,920 » Easement 1239 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:52,480 » And 1240 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:54,160 um St. Joe is concerned that the 1241 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,319 easement that will be a temporary 1242 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,319 construction road easement is going to 1243 00:57:56,319 --> 00:58:00,160 somehow 1244 00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:02,559 cause them a problem because we have to 1245 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,880 get an easement across their property to 1246 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:08,640 get to the site that we negotiated and 1247 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,079 and have in good faith purchased from 1248 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,160 them. 1249 00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,760 » It has been seven years since the 1250 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,040 conversation about this started. 1251 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,440 » That's the same thing over by Mac 1252 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,559 Valley. 1253 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,319 » Yeah. 1254 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:20,079 » Easement issue over there. They they 1255 00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:21,520 keep falling back on, well, Florida 1256 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:24,720 Power and Lights got to think about it. 1257 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,640 If St. Joe would just say, "Look, we'll 1258 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,599 figure this all out. We're getting ready 1259 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:31,920 to try to build a at least 11.5 million 1260 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:33,520 fire station." And again, we're 1261 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,760 investing. We've bought millions of 1262 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:38,640 dollars worth a ladder truck to give you 1263 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,880 an idea cost $2.3 million. We've 1264 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:44,000 purchased that thinking we were going to 1265 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:47,440 have a fire station to put it in. And um 1266 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,040 we without falling down a rabbit hole, I 1267 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,760 just again the pattern I'm seeing with 1268 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,839 St. Joe is when we make it when the 1269 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,799 community makes an ask of them, they're 1270 00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:59,359 very very slow to respond. When they 1271 00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:02,400 want something, they expect us to wave 1272 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:04,960 this irregularity, I mean, bringing a 1273 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,960 set of drawings that have a PVC membrane 1274 00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,160 roof relabeled as standing seam, that's 1275 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,920 ridiculous. 1276 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:13,280 » Yeah. Uh, so I just I'm just going to 1277 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,480 use this opportunity to put some 1278 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,400 pressure on them. 1279 00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,400 » And again, I see a sidewalk drawn that 1280 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,079 everybody else has had to build. Why 1281 00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,319 don't they have to build it? 1282 00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:24,240 » Yeah, I don't have the answer. All I can 1283 00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:25,920 tell you is the code absolutely requires 1284 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,200 a sidewalk on Highway 98. 1285 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,720 » And I'm sure it's on all of their 1286 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,599 drawings, all of the civil drawings. 1287 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,720 That's what I'm saying. It just gets 1288 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:32,160 copied over. 1289 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,280 » And I get internally, well, that's not 1290 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,640 my problem. That's private property. 1291 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,760 They they put that there if they want it 1292 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,359 there. Um, uh, the sidewalk on 98 is a 1293 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:41,440 community asset that they're supposed to 1294 00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:43,040 provide. And they told us, "We've got 1295 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,839 all this frontage. You ought to let us 1296 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,040 do this non-compliant sign. Give us a 1297 00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:50,960 variance." You know, and we were like, 1298 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:52,559 "Oh, yeah, sure. No problem." U, I just, 1299 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,160 you know, you got all that frontage, put 1300 00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:56,400 a sidewalk on it. 1301 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:59,280 » So, there's a lot of frontage there. 1302 00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:01,520 » Yeah, 1303 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:04,160 » That's the end of my rant, but um, 1304 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,400 » Maybe if staff could respond back. Um, 1305 01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:09,440 well, that's that's on the south side. 1306 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,079 » Yeah. Who put that in the county, state? 1307 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,520 » That's a good question. 1308 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:11,920 » Combination. 1309 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,280 » Okay. 1310 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,359 » Combination of funds. 1311 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:17,200 » I do agree. I mean, there's so much more 1312 01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:18,799 pedestrian and bike traffic, bicycle 1313 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,400 traffic, than there used to be. I mean, 1314 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:22,160 just 10 years ago, you didn't used to 1315 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,240 see tons of people on the side of the 1316 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,839 road. But with all the hidden runs and 1317 01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,440 the accidents on 98, 1318 01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:29,200 » I think. 1319 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,400 » Yeah. We first started talking about 1320 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:34,079 this in 2021. And I still have meeting 1321 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,480 minutes from a meeting with Chase about 1322 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:38,000 these sidewalks and the 10-year plan. I 1323 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,799 mean, he didn't call it a 10ear plan. I 1324 01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,400 did 1325 01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:43,359 » Because now we're five, six years into 1326 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,520 it. It's still progressing, right? 1327 01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:47,599 » And yeah, St. Joe holds a lot of a lot 1328 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,880 of sway in different areas down on down 1329 01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:50,079 in that way. So, I understand your 1330 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,440 frustration. I'm on the other end of 1331 01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,880 town on the Mac Valley side, but it's 1332 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,160 been just frustrating for us. It's a 1333 01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,319 very long process. 1334 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,000 » Yeah. And and I made the joke about 1335 01:00:56,319 --> 01:00:59,520 Florida Power and Light because they are 1336 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,359 always at the tip of the iceberg with 1337 01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,640 these easements and until you get 1338 01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:03,119 lawyers involved, nothing ever gets 1339 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,319 done. 1340 01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,119 » Yeah. 1341 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:05,440 » So, 1342 01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:08,480 » Anyway, 1343 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:11,760 » Yeah, my understanding was is that uh 1344 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,520 Florida Power was much more cooperative 1345 01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,720 than FPL. 1346 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,520 » You mean Golf Power? 1347 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,040 » Yeah. Oh, Golf Power. 1348 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,720 » Golf Power was fantastic. When Florida 1349 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:21,119 Power and Light came in, what did I say? 1350 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,880 » You said Power Golf Power. They were 1351 01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:24,640 much more um 1352 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,520 » Southern company. They're very very 1353 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:29,440 engaged in their communities and uh 1354 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:31,599 » Florida Power and Light is 1355 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,720 » I had I have I had golf power till it 1356 01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,200 became FPL. 1357 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:34,240 » We are 1358 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,920 » The problem on this particular 1359 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,839 » And they raised our rates 25%. 1360 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,440 » It would be nice if staff could figure 1361 01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:40,559 it out. Um 1362 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,680 » Give us a report at our next meeting. 1363 01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:47,359 » I don't know where it is. I'll try, but 1364 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:48,400 you know, Renee did all of that and when 1365 01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:50,559 she left, 1366 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,319 » Rosanna did all and you know, neither 1367 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:54,640 one of them are here now. So, 1368 01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:57,839 » I guess again I was my attempt was to 1369 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,400 try to give and that's why um 1370 01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,960 » Catherine 1371 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:04,480 » Katherine I thought I recognized her. 1372 01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:06,400 » Um it I went to them to get the message. 1373 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:10,720 I'm not kidding. The next item they 1374 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:12,880 bring to this board, I will I will hold 1375 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,000 it up over whatever deficiency I can 1376 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,920 find in their drawings. 1377 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,920 » Yeah, they wanted to come this to come 1378 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,680 immediately to the meeting. I cut them 1379 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:22,240 some slack. 1380 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,440 » Really? It should have went next month. 1381 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,640 » They should have corrected the drawings 1382 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,839 and brought it next month. Yeah, 1383 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,280 » But they were 1384 01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:29,680 » Anyway next time again 1385 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:32,079 » Insistent on getting on this meeting. So 1386 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,200 I'm like, okay, fine. 1387 01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:37,440 » Okay. Well, they got money tied up. 1388 01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:40,240 » That's why. [snorts] 1389 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:43,119 » But it would it would be nice to know if 1390 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:45,760 if fees were paid or if they have a 1391 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:46,640 trigger somewhere in their plans of when 1392 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,160 that will get constructed. 1393 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,839 » Well, it's certainly possible, but I 1394 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,400 kind of doubt we would let them buy it 1395 01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:52,000 out. 1396 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,599 » Well, I mean, it it's obviously shown 1397 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:56,160 somewhere in the civil package or it 1398 01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:56,799 would not have shown up on their 1399 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,520 drawings. 1400 01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:59,520 » Yeah. 1401 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:02,240 » Because a lot of that is from the master 1402 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,720 plan, correct? I mean, most of what he 1403 01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,040 shows on his drawing is from the master 1404 01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,680 plan. 1405 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:09,599 » No, absolutely. And and I mean, that's 1406 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,359 where it lives, you know. It's not They 1407 01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:13,520 don't generate a new drawing set every 1408 01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:15,520 time. I mean, that's 1409 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:19,039 » The You're just xing in. 1410 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:21,039 » I'll see what I can find out. Um there's 1411 01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,559 a lot of dos there. So, 1412 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:25,359 » I mean, at some point, the sidewalk 1413 01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:27,520 needs to be built, right? So who does it 1414 01:03:25,359 --> 01:03:29,359 like it's supposed to be a part of their 1415 01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:31,280 development and yet we keep approving 1416 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:32,240 all the things for them to build without 1417 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,119 » Sometimes 1418 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:36,480 » The public amenity 1419 01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:39,039 » The developer will 1420 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,960 » Get an agreement with the county like 1421 01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:43,039 Alice speech they had an agreement with 1422 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:45,119 their proportionate fair share so they 1423 01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:47,359 didn't have to pay it all up front they 1424 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:50,079 paid it over like seven years or 1425 01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:52,000 something till it was paid off now it's 1426 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:54,720 paid off 1427 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,480 » But Um, I don't know that that happened, 1428 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,440 but I'm just saying sometimes the 1429 01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:04,079 developer will get an an agreement 1430 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:07,039 between them and the county approved to 1431 01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:08,880 delay or what you know like typically 1432 01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,920 you pay the proportion of fair share all 1433 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,160 upfront 1434 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:13,839 » Or or there's a trigger written in when 1435 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,480 a certain percentage of the development 1436 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:17,920 » Of the devel right 1437 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,920 we've worked on smaller developments 1438 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,520 where the county we're required because 1439 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,480 the sidewalks get destroyed during 1440 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,559 construction. Y 1441 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,799 » The developer has to put forth a bond. 1442 01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:25,359 » Yeah. 1443 01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:27,440 » For that. 1444 01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:28,160 » Well, it's a letter of credit, but yeah, 1445 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:28,880 because 1446 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,880 » Yeah. 1447 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,880 » That's one of the last basically 1448 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,559 sidewalks and landscaping is the last 1449 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,160 thing they want to do because it'll get 1450 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:38,480 all torn up. 1451 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,760 » Sidewalks. If you notice Camp Creek, 1452 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:43,920 that whole master plan shows sidewalks 1453 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,280 at the development. They told me they 1454 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,839 put have no intention to put in the 1455 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,440 sidewalks because I was, you know, when 1456 01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:51,599 I was designing the house in there, I 1457 01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,520 said I called them because I said it 1458 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:55,440 shows that this owner, every owner has 1459 01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:57,200 to put in their 1460 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,119 » Four foot sidewalk from property line to 1461 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,319 property line. I said I just drove 1462 01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,680 through the development and there's none 1463 01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:03,280 of them. They said, "Oh yeah, we gave up 1464 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:06,079 on this." [laughter] 1465 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,960 » So So there are no development or there 1466 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:11,280 are no sidewalks in Camp Creek. I'm 1467 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,920 surprised that uh that wasn't picked up 1468 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,960 by the BPR folks. 1469 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,559 » I'm not 1470 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:20,000 » Because they're looking at they should 1471 01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:22,240 be looking at the master plan. 1472 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:24,559 » Is it possible to give developers 1473 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,400 deadlines for completing certain 1474 01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:28,559 projects that if they're consistently 1475 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,880 showing a sidewalk on every plan for 1476 01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:32,319 seven years that doesn't ever exist? 1477 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,200 » I'm just going to I'm going to use the 1478 01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:35,359 same strategy. 1479 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,720 » Original developer site plan has those 1480 01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:37,920 triggers built in. Like you said, 1481 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,920 there's a letter of credit, there's a 1482 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,359 bond, there's a note somewhere that says 1483 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,480 this is going to be built with this 1484 01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:42,880 parcel development, 1485 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:46,160 » Right? 1486 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:47,839 » There's that data is required somewhere 1487 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,839 » On a certain percentage of buildouts. 1488 01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:51,839 She's saying when you get to 60% 1489 01:05:49,839 --> 01:05:53,920 » That way the county if the developer 1490 01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:55,599 doesn't do it, the whole idea of we 1491 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:59,599 don't take bonds anymore. It's a letter 1492 01:05:55,599 --> 01:06:02,400 of credit. The whole idea is if the 1493 01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:04,960 developer goes bankrupt or whatever, the 1494 01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,960 county will take that money and put in 1495 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,680 the sidewalks or landscaping or 1496 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,000 whatever. 1497 01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,680 » There should be um that should be part 1498 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,240 of their their sign off 1499 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:17,359 » And they have to provide that before we 1500 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:20,079 allow them to plat it, right? 1501 01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:23,839 And typically we get those two things, 1502 01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:25,280 landscaping and sidewalks, because if 1503 01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:27,839 they put it in up front, they tend to 1504 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:30,640 get torn up. So they'll give us a letter 1505 01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:34,319 of credit, and that's basically the last 1506 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,839 thing they'll put in and and and 1507 01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:38,079 you know, they have to have the DO 1508 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:42,079 inspector's final sign off that these 1509 01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:46,079 things are in before they can plat the 1510 01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:48,240 project. But to to the board's point, 1511 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,680 like it could take them 20 years to 1512 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,319 finalize all this project. 1513 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,160 » Yeah. 1514 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:53,599 » So David's saying, why do why does the 1515 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,799 community have to wait 20 years? 1516 01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,160 » They're not driving they're not driving 1517 01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:59,440 trucks across this anymore. They've 1518 01:06:56,160 --> 01:07:01,599 landscaped everything around it. Um 1519 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,880 » Again, it's um 1520 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:04,160 » They just don't want to pay for, 1521 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:06,480 » You know, next time they come to this 1522 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,039 board. That's a possibility as well that 1523 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,319 they have to 1524 01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:11,039 » I'm sure I can find something wrong with 1525 01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:12,720 their application and we'll 1526 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:14,000 » I'm just letting you know what I'm going 1527 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:16,000 to do. 1528 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,720 » Well, I feel you. I mean, they certainly 1529 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:21,119 they certainly pressure us to, you know, 1530 01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,599 get this stuff moved forward as quickly 1531 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,720 as possible. 1532 01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:24,720 » Well, there's a there's a record. 1533 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:28,000 There's a paper trail somewhere and I 1534 01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:28,720 think that it would be advantageous to 1535 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,440 find it. 1536 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:34,079 » Go back to 08. I would like to add to 1537 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:38,280 the record 1538 01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:38,280 LDC section 5.04.03 1539 01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:47,119 pointH sidewalks. That might answer some 1540 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:49,920 of the questions that you have about 1541 01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,400 sidewalks and buyouts. 1542 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,280 » Okay. 1543 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,880 » The county. 1544 01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,480 » Well, I mean basically that just says 1545 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,079 you have to do it. 1546 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,880 » Yeah. But this was this was approved 1547 01:07:56,079 --> 01:08:00,720 what 18 years ago? I think it goes a 1548 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,119 little bit deeper than that. 1549 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:01,440 » So, 1550 01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:02,880 » Okay. 1551 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,280 » I don't know what the code was when they 1552 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,359 when they 1553 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:09,839 » Now, this is a rule section of Highway 1554 01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:13,039 98. And if DOT keeps it a rule section, 1555 01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:15,200 they typically won't put in a bike lane, 1556 01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:16,799 which of course if you're using DOT's 1557 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,040 bike lane, you're taking your own life 1558 01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:21,040 in your life in your own hands. 1559 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:23,920 » Can you rattle that section off again? 1560 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:25,520 But um 1561 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,960 typically they put in a sidewalk and 1562 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:31,640 they put a bike lane, but it has to be 1563 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,640 an urban section, not a rural section. 1564 01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:37,239 » It's in chapter 5 of the land 1565 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:37,239 development code 5.04.03.H 1566 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,759 and the subsection title is sidewalks. 1567 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:45,359 » Sidewalks. Okay. But that would only be 1568 01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:47,920 applicable 1569 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:48,880 for it wouldn't necessarily hold the 1570 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,199 vesting from 1571 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,000 » From that particular project master 1572 01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:52,319 plan. 1573 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,080 » Yeah. 1574 01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,520 » No, but it talks about where they're 1575 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,319 required, 1576 01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:00,000 » Buying them out, exempting them. 1577 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:02,080 » Because it has to be in a rural area for 1578 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,279 exemptions. So we 1579 01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,759 » At the end of the day, they're showing 1580 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,400 it on a plan set, which means it's in a 1581 01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:07,920 plan set 1582 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,400 » Somewhere. Yeah. somewhere 1583 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,880 » Because they're using the same base 1584 01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:15,199 every time they print out something for 1585 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,839 water. It's the exact same CAD base. 1586 01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,880 » Yeah. 1587 01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:21,040 » So, it's in their file, which means it's 1588 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:22,159 on a drawing somewhere. 1589 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,400 » I agree. 1590 01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:25,679 » Which means it was 1591 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,279 » Somewhere. It's somewhere. 1592 01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:29,600 » But just so you know, 1593 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:32,000 » You can only exempt a sidewalk in rural 1594 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:33,679 areas. And we've made the planning has 1595 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,080 made the determination that there's 1596 01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:38,319 nothing rural in South Walton. If it was 1597 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,920 if it was exempted, it wouldn't be 1598 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,839 showing up in his C. 1599 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:44,000 » No, I'm just saying we're talking about 1600 01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:46,880 sidewalks. There's a provision in the 1601 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,600 code for them to be exempted, but that's 1602 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:51,199 in rural areas, and we we're the 1603 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,120 planning department is saying there are 1604 01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:54,000 no rural areas in South Walton. 1605 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,360 » Yeah. 1606 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,000 » There hasn't been for a really long 1607 01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,239 time. 1608 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,280 » No, I get it. All right. Um well, thank 1609 01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:02,800 you all 1610 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:07,360 » And um Karen, next month we're here. 1611 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:12,280 » Yes. All right. Thank you very much. And 1612 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:12,280 we're darned calling it. 1613 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,920 Chase.