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Now calling to order a regular meeting of the city council, Tuesday, August 25th,

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2026 at 7:00 PM. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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Roll call, Madam Secretary.

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Councilwoman Roggensack.

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Here.

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Councilwoman McGee. Here. Councilman Dwyer.

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Here.

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Councilman Noonan.

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Here.

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Councilman Boyke.

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Here.

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Councilman Lafferty.

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Here.

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Councilwoman Moore is present. We have a quorum.

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Next item.

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Next item is adoption of the consent agenda. So moved.

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Support Lafferty.

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Any discussion?

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Hearing and seeing none, I'll call to question. Ms. Moore?

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Yes.

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Mr. Lafferty.

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Yes.

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Let's see. Ms. McGee.

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Yes.

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Mr. Noonan.

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Yes.

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Mr. Dwyer.

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Yes.

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Mr. Boyke.

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Yes.

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Roggensack is yes. Motion carries. Next item.

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Next item is five, adoption of the agenda. So moved with discussion.

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Support Lafferty.

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Discussion, Ms. Moore.

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Yes. We would like to add as under miscellaneous item 11-A, extension

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of license for 60 days for Lansing Pros Inc., located at

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22550 Nagle in the city of Warren. As item C, extension

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of license for 60 days to Kenny Pros LLC at

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1978 Kenny in the city of Warren. And as item 11-D, extension of license

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for 60 days

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to IVP Holdings LLC, located at 1973

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East 10 Mile Road in the city of Warren.

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Any other discussion?

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Hearing and seeing none, I will call to question. Ms. Moore.

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Yes.

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Mr. Lafferty.

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Yes.

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Ms. McGee.

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Yes.

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Mr. Noonan.

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Yes.

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Mr. Boyke.

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Yes.

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Mr. Dwyer.

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Yes.

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Roggensack is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.

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Next item is calendar pending matters. 6A is calendar motion to receive and file.

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Support.

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Hmm.

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That's fine.

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Who was-- Ms. Moore, you made that motion. Ms. McGee, you did support.

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Any discussion?

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Hearing and seeing none, I'll call to question. All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item.

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Next item is 7A, approval of the bills of the general revenue fund. So moved.

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Support Lafferty.

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Any discussion?

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Hearing and seeing none, I'll call to question. Ms. Moore.

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Mr. Lafferty.

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Yes.

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Ms. McGee.

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Yes.

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Mr. Noonan.

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Yes.

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Mr. Boyke.

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Yes.

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Mr. Dwyer.

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Yes.

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Roggensack is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.

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Next item is 7B, approval of the bills of the water and sewer system. So moved.

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Support Dwyer.

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Any discussion?

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Hearing and seeing none, I'll call to question. Ms. Moore.

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Mr. Dwyer.

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Mr. Lafferty.

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Yes.

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Ms. McGee.

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Mr. Noonan.

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Mr. Boyke.

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Yes.

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Roggensack is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.

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Next item is audience participation for agenda items only.

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Members of the audience who would like to address the council this evening, may do

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so by filling out an audience form in the basket there. You have three minutes.

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I will try to give you a 1 minute and a 10-second reminder when your time

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is near up. This is for agenda items only, presently. Ms.

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Harris, you have an agenda item?

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Um- You can come up here. No, I'm okay. You're okay. You want just general? Yes.

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Okay. All right. Ms. Palmer, is the blight specific to an item on the agenda?

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No.

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Okay, so it'll be after.

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Mr. Cliff.

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Yes, ma'am.

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You're welcome to have your three minutes.

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Good evening, council members. Tonight, myself and a couple of my colleagues

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on ZBA are up for reappointment considerations tonight, so I decided to appear on

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all three of our behalfs to advocate for your approval

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for our continued support to remain on Zoning Board of Appeals.

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One of our newer members, Mr. Lindsay,

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over the past couple of years has really shown some fantastic

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ability when it comes to articulating issues that come before our board on

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a regular basis. Mr. Watts is pretty well-known.

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He's served the community here for many, many years and continues to contribute in

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a positive manner. And as for myself, you just kind of get what you get, right?

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But I work real hard at it. I'm a pretty heavy staple in the community.

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I do a lot of different advocating.

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And even during some of the recent declines that I've been suffering, I still try

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to maintain visibility in the community and try to support the city of Warren as

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best as I can. So, that's all I really have to say.

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I just want to push for your consideration and express my gratitude for the

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opportunity to serve the residents of the city of Warren. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Edwin Worley, is your item related to anything on the agenda?

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No.

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Okay, so I'll have you at the very end of the meeting during general audience.

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Okay. That is the end of audience for agenda items only. Next item.

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Next item is nine, announcements. Madam Chair.

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Yes.

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The city council would like to extend our sincere condolences to the family,

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friends, and loved ones of Lori Arts.

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Lori was an engaged Warren resident until very recently when she moved to, I think,

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Madison Heights, who cared very deeply about her community.

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She regularly participated in local civic affairs, spoke openly about issues that

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mattered to her, and was never afraid to stand firmly by her convictions.

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She had a voice of passion and commitment to making a difference.

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She advocated voting and

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often was a monitor at the polling at the city hall and when they were counting

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the votes, and was a strong, strong advocate for making your voice heard through

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your votes. And we honor her life and the lasting impression she made on those who

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knew her and on the community she called home for many years.

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We extend our deepest sympathy to everyone mourning her loss.

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She hasn't been around as much. She used to be at almost every meeting for a very,

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very long time, and was really a fixture at our meetings.

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And we missed her being there, and she underwent a pretty serious operation about a

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month ago, and she passed away due to complications from that surgery.

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she'll be missed. She was a force.

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Moment.

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Thank you. Any other announcements?

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Madam Chair.

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Mr. Lafferty.

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Thank you.

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On Saturday, Ms. McGee, the mayor, Senator Kleinfeld representing the state

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delegation, and I attended the Ukrainian Cultural

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Center's and the New Wave Group, the 35th anniversary of

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Ukrainian sovereign statehood and independence.

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And this was hosted by New Wave. It's a group that distinguishes the generations of

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Ukrainian Americans who moved to the Detroit area following the collapse of the

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Soviet Union in 1991. In my remarks, I spoke about the Jeffersonian

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premise of powers granted to the government by the people and compared the parallel

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of post-independent Ukraine with post-revolutionary America and the ongoing

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struggle against ongoing Russian aggression.

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Following the remarks, the audience was treated to a variety of beautiful cultural

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musical performances. In the audience, I would like to recognize Planning

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Commissioner Mr. Michael Hadwabi, on behalf of the Ukrainian community here this

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evening. We have a significant Ukrainian-American community here in Warren, and we

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are happy and proud to celebrate this moment with you. Slava Ukraini.

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Herosh Slava, as we say in Ukraine.

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Thank you

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And then we do have the Birthday Bash that is coming up this weekend.

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The carnival begins Thursday the 27th and continues through Sunday, August 30th.

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There is a foam party on Friday and Saturday at the fountain from 5:00 to 7:00.

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Fireworks on Friday at 9:45 PM, the Polish Day Parade

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on Saturday that starts at Kuzno. We step off at 4:10 PM and end at City Square.

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The drone show on Saturday at 9:30, and then a variety of music featured

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throughout the weekend from Rock n' Soul, Main Street Soul, Stevie Nicks, Magic

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Bus, The Polish Muslims, Fire Lake, War Machine, and a Detroit Kiss tribute.

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On Sunday, you can also catch Raputa.

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I talked about Raputa a month ago. Unfortunately, that concert was

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delayed due to the Canadian wildfires.

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And so they've been rescheduled from earlier in the summer to Sunday at 3:00

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PM in front of City Hall. That's where you will find me enjoying some J.

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Geils music. If you don't like J. Geils, if that is not your thing, come anyway.

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You'll enjoy the concert.

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Oh, okay.

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And yes, I mentioned the parade. Thank you, Madam Chair.

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Any other announcements?

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Madam Chair?

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Mr. Boyke.

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It's not an announcement, but I just got a text from a resident.

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The microphone that Cliff's mister... Is not working. They couldn't hear him.

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We'll let Patrick know, or Patrick is probably listening.

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That's why-

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Thank you

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... I brought it up that way.

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Thank you.

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Hope he's listening.

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Any other announcements?

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Okay. Next item.

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Next item is 10.a, which was tabled to today at the request of the administration.

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It's a public hearing, a special land use for Al Shaheed Palace Restaurant with

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banquet facilities located on 12 Mile Road, approximately 140 feet east of Ryan

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Road, 4235 12 Mile Road, Section 8, Tom Hanawa, Affinity for Investments

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LLC, Karen Humberty of Earl, Earl, and Rose, PLLC.

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Motion to remove from the table?

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Support Lafferty.

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I will call the question to remove the item from the table. Ms. Moore?

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Yes.

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Mr. Lafferty?

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Yes.

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Ms. McGee?

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Yes.

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Mr. Noonan?

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Yes.

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Mr. Boyke?

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Yes.

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Mr. Dwyer?

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Yes.

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Roggen, C is a yes.

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Oh yeah, thank you. I will-- Yeah, that's me. I will open up the public hearing.

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Actually, I'm going to not open up the public hearing.

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If the petitioner's here, Ms. Humberty, you can speak.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Karen Humberty on behalf of Al Shaheed Palace Restaurant.

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My address is 28225 Mound Road in Warren, Michigan.

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Unfortunately, Earl, Earl, and Rose is no longer in existence as both my partners

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passed away. So I'm now pretty much on my own as Humberty Law.

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So,

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in any event,

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I'm here tonight for the Al Shaheed Palace Restaurant that is located basically at

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12 Mile and Chene.

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Ryan.

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I mean Ryan. 12 Mile and Ryan. My mistake.

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So here's Ryan, and here's 12 Mile.

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It's important to understand, this shopping center looks like it's one owner.

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It is not. This is the property line for the owner of the property

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where my client rents right here. Some of you may remember it prior to COVID as the

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China Buffet.

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Mm-hmm.

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So that's right here. So these are the property lines

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that we have.

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Currently, next to it is the Ross Medical Center, and they're only open a few days

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a week. And what they do in the Ross Medical Center is clinicals for a few days a

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week. Besides that, all of their teachings are online, all of their sessions, et

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cetera. So, they're only there a couple of days a week.

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And then this is the former CVS, which I think right now this is

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becoming a small market

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right now. My client is here with me today, Mr. Mohammed.

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He's back there, in case we need him to answer any questions.

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At this point, as you know, we're here for special land use, for the accessory use

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of being able to hold banquets in association with their restaurant.

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Currently,

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the restaurant

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is rather large. And in there, they have two private rooms.

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Those rooms only take up 28 square feet of the total square footage of the

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restaurant. That's why I say it's an accessory use.

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In addition to that, the revenue right now from those banquet

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rooms is less than 10% or less at this point.

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So it is truly an accessory use. Right now, the primary use there is a restaurant,

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and they want to provide private rooms for their guests to be able to have a

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birthday party, I don't know, a baby shower, something along those lines.

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It's important to note that... Am I okay?

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Yeah, you're fine.

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Okay. It's important to note that

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there's no alcohol at this restaurant.

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There's no alcohol with any of the banquets that will be at

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this facility.

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As we went through planning, we developed with the planning

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commission and the planning department, a landscaping plan.

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And in that landscaping plan, we are putting

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nine redbud maple trees. Those are the maple trees that

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look the red hue all through the season,

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and they don't have helicopters. And then next to those, next to each tree, will be

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two dwarf burning bushes. Those are green during the summer, and in the

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fall, beautiful reds and oranges.

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And this is going to be planted along the way here, a little bit far back so that

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maybe as plowing goes on, et cetera, and salt and that, we're a little farther

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back to make sure that those plantings

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make it. So basically,

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that's the full item. This is truly an accessory use. It's not the main use.

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The banquet capabilities is not the main use.

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However, we need approval to be able to use those private rooms.

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If there are any questions, I'm available to answer them.

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Thank you. Mr. Worth, is there anything the planning department wants to ask beyond

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what Ms. Humberty shared? Thank you.

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Actually, no. I'm just here to answer any questions planning-wise.

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But no, we certainly agree with all the negotiations and the landscaping that

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we worked on.

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Okay. Thank you.

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All right. So now I will open up the hearing.

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Is there anyone from the audience who wants to speak on this matter? Ms. Harris.

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Looks good.

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We okay to go ahead?

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You're good.

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Okay. So I've been looking at this paperwork, and it seems

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like this started in '24, and in '25, in the spring

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of '25,

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and it's taken until '26 to come here.

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But when I looked through the backup, there were a lot of requirements or

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suggestions that needed to happen if this was approved for special land

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use. And even if we just go back to March of '25 or May 8th of '25, whenever

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it was, that's more than a year and nothing has happened.

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So I went over there today. I looked at the... Just for the restaurant right now.

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The accessible parking spots were brought up in '24 or '25, that

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they needed to be moved by the doors on the north side of the building.

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The access aisle was only 4 feet 4 inches,

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and the parking spaces were 7 feet 10 inches.

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So those aren't even

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Applicable measurements for those

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handicap spaces.

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So that restaurant got approved, and nobody from the city went and said,

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"This has to be different." And I'm sure it went through whatever businesses were

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there. But we're dropping the ball constantly.

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I also noticed in the backup that one of the rooms is almost 3,000 square feet,

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and the other room is like 1,200 square feet.

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Now, how do we know they're not already using those rooms?

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And so I'm just confused about this special land use, if

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it's just so you can call them banquet rooms.

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The other things that were mentioned by planning and maybe zoning was that the

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gas station on the corner had an entrance into the parking lot that's not allowed.

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That hasn't been changed. Even if you're just going to stay as a restaurant, why

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wouldn't you fix those things? The curbs along the sidewalk on 12 Mile

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Road needed to be moved back five feet.

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So I'm really concerned that they've had a list of these things

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for at least a year or two of what would need to be different to be approved,

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and it doesn't appear that anything's actually happened to

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comply with those requirements.

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If the parking is 189 or some spots, I can't remember the exact

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number, but they have four spots on the north side of the building,

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nothing in front of the building.

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In that whole strip, there's also two spots on the south side

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with

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an access aisle that's going nowhere.

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So,

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of course, the owner of the restaurant isn't responsible for that, but the owner of

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the strip mall should be held accountable to have things be accessible.

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And there's two more little stores that look like they're going in next to the

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fruit market. And I also called Ross Medical today and talked

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to them, and they said they have classes there every day, but they do do things

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online. So thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else want to speak on this matter?

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Okay. I will close the public hearing and turn it over to counsel for action.

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Motion to approve with discussion.

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Support.

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Support, Mr. Noonan. Discussion, Mr. Lafferty.

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Thank you, Madam Chair. Through the chair, Ms. Bertie.

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Yes.

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Good evening.

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You and I had spoken previous about this location and the number of

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concerns that I've had with the appearance of the property,

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both the plot in question and the parcel, the adjacent parcel,

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and the frontage on Ryan Road. I'm happy with the landscaping plan.

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I will remind

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Mr. Worth and the planning commission that one of my primary concerns is that we

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go through this process, the petitioners propose a landscape plan, they are

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required to irrigate, and those irrigation systems may get turned on for the first

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couple of months. They are turned off, they're never used again, and the

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foliage, the trees, and such wilt away and are subsequently moved.

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And we have no recourse. We don't have the staff to go out and validate

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that everyone's compliant with their landscape plans.

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But all in all, this is going to be a tremendous uplift for this corner.

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It's needed a lot of TLC. My concern is also the marquee

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for this building.

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I know the petitioner came in front of planning not too long ago, and the

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bollard that supports the sign was repaired, but it seems that the

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bollard itself, the workmanship was substandard because the rust is already coming

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through the white paint. I would like that to be corrected permanently as a

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condition of if council decides to approve this this evening, I'd like to see that

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as a condition of the agreement this evening.

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And then,

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Ms. Bertie, could you comment on some of the concerns that were raised relative to

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the accessible parking spots-

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Yes

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... and the measurements that were cited?

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Yes. So

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part of the problem here is I don't think that

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the... I'm sorry, I don't know her name. The person who spoke.

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Ms. Harris.

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Ms. Harris. When Ms. Harris spoke, I don't think she fully understands the

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procedure. When you go before the planning commission, there are recommendations

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that have to be done, but they don't get done until you have your approval.

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When you have your approval, you then have two years to fully comply with what's on

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the recommendations, because those are adopted as part of the motion.

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In essence, some of the changes and some of the things that you would make, you

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wouldn't want to be done unless I had the approval.

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So this is absolutely a process, and I'm going to defend the planning department

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right here. They didn't drop the ball on anything.

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If you ask me, the reason this took me so long to get this through is because they

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were on top of things. The landscaping plan, I had to go back several times.

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The

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plan for the building, she mentioned that the planning department wanted us to make

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a bigger, greener area. And I went to the landlord, and I asked for that, and I

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tried to make that happen. The problem I have is when I represent people that are

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tenants, I don't have a lot of power when there's already a contract in place that

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is of a long length. But I often try to, if you will,

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plead to their better side of being a good citizen and actually having a property

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that people want to rent from, et cetera.

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So whereas I wasn't able to get the property owner to agree to make the green space

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bigger, I was able to get him to agree to do the plantings.

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And my client now is on the hook to guarantee that those plantings go in or his

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site plan doesn't get approved. So

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I will say this, that

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I had to go back several times then because I couldn't get the landlord to do

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the things that the city wanted them to do.

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I was able to get quite a bit out of him, and then I turned around and had to go

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back and get reapprovals. So that's why the process has taken some time.

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Getting a meeting with the landlord isn't always easy.

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I have to chase him for a couple of weeks, explain to him that he's going to ruin

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it for his tenant if he doesn't meet with me, so we can address these issues.

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So-

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And sorry, Ms. Bertie-

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Yeah

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... not to interrupt you, but the length of time it's taken is not a contention

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here.

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Okay. All right.

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We're not holding you accountable for that. That is the process. It takes time.

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We understand that.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Anything else to add relative to plan?

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The handicap spaces right now are located on the north side of the building.

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They will be moved because that's a requirement for us.

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They are being moved to the

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southwest part of the building because that's where planning had indicated they

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should be. So they will be moved. That's part of the requirements.

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Planning will make sure they're the right size.

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They've done it on many different plans that I've done.

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They come out at the end of the time when we tell them we're ready for inspection,

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and they come with a tape measure. They measure, and they'll tell us if it's wrong,

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we have to fix it. And that's the only way we can complete our site plan.

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Okay. I thank you for the additional information.

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Yes.

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I have no other concerns. This is in the heart of District

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II, right at 12 Ryan, and this corner has slowly been seeing

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improvements over time. This is going to be a major uplift, and sir, thank you for

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making the investment in Warren, and I wish you luck with your new venture.

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Madam Chair?

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Mr. Noonan.

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Yeah. Regarding the irrigation of the new plantings once they get planted,

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and intention to keep them watered, to keep the irrigation systems going, that

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Councilman Lafferty was discussing.

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Is there adequate assurance that that will happen in this case?

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That's mandatory through the planning commission-

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Right

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... that we plant them. And by the way, if we don't keep them watered, we have to

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replace them. Because the site plan says we're putting in so many red bud trees,

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it's to our benefit to keep them living and doing well, otherwise we have to

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replace them.

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So we should expect that that'll happen?

462
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Yes.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Well, I'm rest assured. I hope that happens. Thank you.

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Any other discussion?

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Madam Chair?

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Mr. Boyke.

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A question for Mr. Worth.

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Ms. Purdy mentioned the handicap parking spots, moving them over.

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With the increased capacity of the building, are you adding handicap spots parking,

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or is it going to stay as is in the plans?

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No, I think they're staying as is, are we not? The handicap...

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Not handicap, ADA-

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ADA, correct

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... spaces.

477
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I'm sorry.

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But

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what is on the plan is the required amount.

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So-

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And that's usually based on square footage and capacity, correct?

482
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It's-

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Educate me. I don't know

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... based on how many spaces are on the entire site.

485
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Okay.

486
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Yeah.

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So I don't have that number in mind, but-

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Fair enough. But you'll look at it. Thank you.

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All right.

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Any other discussion?

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Okay, hearing and seeing none, I will call the question. Mr. Lafferty?

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Yes.

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Mr. Noonan?

494
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Yes.

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Ms. Moore?

496
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Yes.

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Ms. McGee?

498
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Yes.

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Mr. Boyke?

500
00:29:18,703 --> 00:29:18,882
Yes.

501
00:29:19,122 --> 00:29:19,783
Mr. Dwyer?

502
00:29:20,143 --> 00:29:20,352
Yes.

503
00:29:20,652 --> 00:29:23,472
Rogan, C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.

504
00:29:23,622 --> 00:29:28,033
Next item is 11A, Request of Lori Barnwell, City Treasurer, to open a money market

505
00:29:28,092 --> 00:29:33,822
account with Chase Bank entitled City of Warren Capital Equipment Bond Series 2026

506
00:29:33,852 --> 00:29:38,412
B Money Market Account, and to open a new money market account with Independent

507
00:29:38,563 --> 00:29:44,172
Bank entitled Water and Sewer Capital Improvement Bond Series 2026 B Money Market

508
00:29:44,203 --> 00:29:47,292
Account, consideration and adoption of a resolution. So moved.

509
00:29:47,652 --> 00:29:48,283
Support Lafferty.

510
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:49,602
Any discussion?

511
00:29:51,492 --> 00:29:53,412
Hearing and seeing none. I'll call the question. Ms. Moore?

512
00:29:53,502 --> 00:29:53,757
Yes.

513
00:29:53,862 --> 00:29:54,522
Mr. Lafferty?

514
00:29:54,612 --> 00:29:55,332
Yes.

515
00:29:55,393 --> 00:29:56,172
Ms. McGee?

516
00:29:56,232 --> 00:29:56,351
Yes.

517
00:29:56,502 --> 00:29:57,192
Mr. Noonan?

518
00:29:57,252 --> 00:29:57,462
Yes.

519
00:29:57,582 --> 00:29:58,513
Mr. Boyke?

520
00:29:58,632 --> 00:29:59,022
Yes.

521
00:29:59,322 --> 00:30:00,013
Mr. Dwyer?

522
00:30:00,192 --> 00:30:00,402
Yes.

523
00:30:00,763 --> 00:30:04,047
Rogan, C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.

524
00:30:04,182 --> 00:30:10,002
Next item, 11B, C, and D have been resolved as we've been sitting here, so I would

525
00:30:10,063 --> 00:30:10,587
table them.

526
00:30:11,922 --> 00:30:12,763
Motion to table.

527
00:30:13,212 --> 00:30:13,902
Support to table.

528
00:30:15,703 --> 00:30:17,938
Point of order. Are we tabling indefinitely?

529
00:30:18,732 --> 00:30:18,942
Yes.

530
00:30:21,432 --> 00:30:21,763
Okay.

531
00:30:24,822 --> 00:30:25,002
Sure.

532
00:30:25,182 --> 00:30:27,297
I will call the question. Ms. Moore?

533
00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:27,717
Yes.

534
00:30:27,942 --> 00:30:28,542
Mr. Lafferty?

535
00:30:28,632 --> 00:30:28,871
Yes.

536
00:30:29,352 --> 00:30:30,041
Ms. McGee?

537
00:30:30,132 --> 00:30:30,372
Yes.

538
00:30:31,122 --> 00:30:31,662
Mr. Noonan?

539
00:30:31,752 --> 00:30:31,992
Yes.

540
00:30:32,412 --> 00:30:33,072
Mr. Boyke?

541
00:30:33,252 --> 00:30:33,432
Yes.

542
00:30:33,552 --> 00:30:34,182
Mr. Dwyer?

543
00:30:34,482 --> 00:30:34,677
Yes.

544
00:30:35,112 --> 00:30:38,082
Rogan, C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.

545
00:30:38,232 --> 00:30:40,092
Next item is 12A, Legal Update.

546
00:30:41,022 --> 00:30:41,563
Mr. Schroeder.

547
00:30:42,102 --> 00:30:47,412
Thank you. Members of the council, we've been giving regular updates on the 11055

548
00:30:47,502 --> 00:30:48,703
Jewett house,

549
00:30:50,292 --> 00:30:55,422
which we showed was a public nuisance. A court hearing is upcoming on that.

550
00:30:57,222 --> 00:30:58,438
And this was

551
00:31:00,852 --> 00:31:05,442
Mr. Astosh and his nonprofit organization that got the house for a dollar.

552
00:31:06,792 --> 00:31:10,662
The city, through the court order, was supposed to inspect the garage.

553
00:31:11,712 --> 00:31:15,582
The city was not given access to the garage for six, seven months now.

554
00:31:16,662 --> 00:31:22,632
The defendant in this case was essentially held in contempt of

555
00:31:22,722 --> 00:31:28,182
court and had to pay a fine. And I've got the check here,

556
00:31:28,662 --> 00:31:31,212
received it late this afternoon, so we can give this to-

557
00:31:31,272 --> 00:31:31,542
Nice

558
00:31:32,263 --> 00:31:33,326
... Mr.-

559
00:31:33,372 --> 00:31:33,597
Sorry

560
00:31:33,597 --> 00:31:38,862
... Mr. Fox for the city. We'll give this to you to pass that along to Mr. Fox.

561
00:31:38,982 --> 00:31:44,277
So it's a $500 fine, and he's going to be fined $500 every week that this

562
00:31:45,252 --> 00:31:45,732
garage-

563
00:31:51,357 --> 00:31:55,587
... $500 every week that this garage is not accessed for a proper inspection.

564
00:31:56,112 --> 00:31:58,362
Of course, we don't know what's in the garage.

565
00:31:58,783 --> 00:32:02,246
We showed the filthy conditions of this home to the council and the public, and

566
00:32:02,263 --> 00:32:06,656
there was a reaction to that because it was filthy, disgusting, and inhumane, and

567
00:32:06,672 --> 00:32:11,682
there were animals in there. And the house got a little bit cleaned up.

568
00:32:12,042 --> 00:32:13,647
It's not totally clean. It's still a nuisance.

569
00:32:14,112 --> 00:32:16,902
Someone came in there and we got reports they were putting stuff out at the curb,

570
00:32:16,932 --> 00:32:20,322
and we're wondering if all that stuff got moved in the garage. We don't know.

571
00:32:21,013 --> 00:32:24,042
So it's called sweeping it under the rug or sweeping it into the garage.

572
00:32:24,522 --> 00:32:28,527
But in any event, he's getting fined $500 a week until we get compliance, so we're

573
00:32:28,542 --> 00:32:29,862
working hard on that.

574
00:32:31,152 --> 00:32:32,127
We also have

575
00:32:33,522 --> 00:32:38,847
item F, 12F is related to the new Land Bank Brownfield Redevelopment Authority.

576
00:32:39,852 --> 00:32:44,232
Just want to say that we're moving forward with a lot of projects with the

577
00:32:44,263 --> 00:32:48,222
Brownfield Authority that's working with the Land Bank and the Land Bank itself.

578
00:32:48,897 --> 00:32:54,882
The state Land Bank Authority has given us yet even more assistance with

579
00:32:54,942 --> 00:32:59,982
our consultant that they're paying for, who is now going to write a Brownfield

580
00:33:00,852 --> 00:33:06,643
TIF plan for housing in the older part of the city to help fill these

581
00:33:06,672 --> 00:33:11,352
300 vacant lots with new homes. They're going to write a Brownfield TIF plan.

582
00:33:11,382 --> 00:33:13,813
It's something we're going to be able to take advantage of.

583
00:33:14,232 --> 00:33:19,347
And thanks to our Land Bank members. We have Mr. Fox here, Mr. Lafferty. Ms.

584
00:33:19,482 --> 00:33:22,722
Moore was chairperson of the Land Bank, working with the state, developing these

585
00:33:22,752 --> 00:33:26,352
relationships. So this stuff is moving forward, and I'm overlooking all the legal

586
00:33:26,382 --> 00:33:29,112
documents, and there's a lot of exciting things upcoming there.

587
00:33:29,263 --> 00:33:34,453
So you may not see it, but there's a lot happening, and looking forward to new

588
00:33:34,482 --> 00:33:37,886
development, new tax revenue for the vacant homes.

589
00:33:38,022 --> 00:33:42,401
Over 300 vacant lots that the city owns and earns no money on.

590
00:33:42,507 --> 00:33:47,352
And it's actually a charge on the city. So we can talk more about that on item F.

591
00:33:48,432 --> 00:33:50,263
So that's the update for now.

592
00:33:50,322 --> 00:33:54,927
Madam Chair? I would like to mention that because of some of the exciting things

593
00:33:54,972 --> 00:33:56,862
we're doing with Brownfield and other things, Mr.

594
00:33:57,132 --> 00:34:01,662
Schroeder has been requested to actually speak at the Michigan Economic

595
00:34:01,722 --> 00:34:02,442
Development-

596
00:34:03,313 --> 00:34:03,987
Association

597
00:34:03,987 --> 00:34:09,252
... Association in October. So we're pretty excited about that.

598
00:34:09,582 --> 00:34:13,123
People are very envious of some of the things that we've been able to do so far.

599
00:34:13,542 --> 00:34:18,132
We don't have a lot to show for it yet, but we're putting all those sort of things

600
00:34:18,162 --> 00:34:21,552
in place that we need to do things in the future, and we're all pretty excited.

601
00:34:21,582 --> 00:34:23,682
We heard some pretty exciting things today at our meeting.

602
00:34:23,802 --> 00:34:26,893
So more to come later on that. Thank you, Mr. Schroeder.

603
00:34:26,953 --> 00:34:28,541
Motion to receive and file.

604
00:34:28,662 --> 00:34:29,322
Support Lafferty.

605
00:34:32,082 --> 00:34:33,703
I'll call the question. All in favor?

606
00:34:33,763 --> 00:34:34,033
Aye.

607
00:34:34,467 --> 00:34:34,467
Aye.

608
00:34:34,482 --> 00:34:38,052
Any opposed? Okay. Next item.

609
00:34:38,112 --> 00:34:43,993
Next item is 12B, Consideration and Adoption of a Resolution Approving a Moratorium

610
00:34:44,052 --> 00:34:45,792
on Data Centers. So moved.

611
00:34:45,912 --> 00:34:46,706
Support Lafferty.

612
00:34:49,002 --> 00:34:53,998
Ms. Moore, support Dwyer. Any discussion?

613
00:34:55,873 --> 00:34:56,143
I do.

614
00:34:57,102 --> 00:34:57,552
Ms. McGee.

615
00:34:59,352 --> 00:35:02,952
I was looking at the news the other day, and we were seeing that the

616
00:35:03,012 --> 00:35:08,232
government can

617
00:35:08,562 --> 00:35:10,152
require you to have

618
00:35:12,373 --> 00:35:13,123
data centers,

619
00:35:14,952 --> 00:35:19,512
and that it's up for discussion. How would that work with a moratorium?

620
00:35:22,873 --> 00:35:24,942
I have to admit, I can answer that.

621
00:35:25,482 --> 00:35:27,402
And this is through the state legislature.

622
00:35:27,492 --> 00:35:33,432
Yeah. I think that there's some thought that the state might be able

623
00:35:33,462 --> 00:35:38,127
to step in one day and sort of override local zoning-

624
00:35:38,623 --> 00:35:38,727
Mm-hmm

625
00:35:38,922 --> 00:35:43,332
... or whatever and require this. I really doubt that would ever happen.

626
00:35:44,172 --> 00:35:48,042
The only thing I can think of that's even remotely similar, and Ms.

627
00:35:48,132 --> 00:35:52,302
Michaels knows all about this, because we had to live through the cell tower era

628
00:35:52,393 --> 00:35:57,643
where cell towers were a really controversial item 20 some years ago.

629
00:35:57,687 --> 00:35:58,782
It was like the data center-

630
00:35:59,772 --> 00:35:59,907
It was

631
00:35:59,907 --> 00:36:02,832
... it was the data center issue of the 2000s.

632
00:36:03,672 --> 00:36:07,842
And we would sit at these planning commission meetings, and the residents didn't

633
00:36:07,902 --> 00:36:09,882
like it. Certainly,

634
00:36:11,502 --> 00:36:15,522
one of our planning commissioners, she didn't like it at all, and she was quite a

635
00:36:15,552 --> 00:36:18,462
character, and she opposed every single one of them.

636
00:36:18,522 --> 00:36:23,427
But a federal law came into effect that basically said that communities through

637
00:36:23,442 --> 00:36:26,697
their zoning and planning cannot deny these things based on-

638
00:36:28,788 --> 00:36:33,529
junk science because people were coming to the meeting saying that these towers are

639
00:36:33,558 --> 00:36:39,483
emitting radio frequency waves that's causing cancer and other illnesses

640
00:36:39,498 --> 00:36:44,913
and diseases, and that if you use that as a reason to deny the cell tower,

641
00:36:45,438 --> 00:36:48,648
then it's invalid. They can go to federal court and get it overturned.

642
00:36:48,678 --> 00:36:50,148
Now, you can still use your local zoning.

643
00:36:50,178 --> 00:36:55,398
You can say, "Look, this is too close to a residential property," or, "It's not

644
00:36:55,518 --> 00:36:58,863
zoned properly." You could still use your regular land use and zoning laws.

645
00:36:59,449 --> 00:37:02,883
I think what you may have been hearing is that somebody may try to get the federal

646
00:37:02,898 --> 00:37:06,768
government or the state legislature to pass a law that would take away your local

647
00:37:06,798 --> 00:37:08,748
control, take away what your local zoning are.

648
00:37:08,779 --> 00:37:09,078
Correct.

649
00:37:09,228 --> 00:37:11,853
I find that very difficult in this environment.

650
00:37:12,348 --> 00:37:16,608
In fact, right now there are people who, there's momentum to have the state issue a

651
00:37:16,968 --> 00:37:20,718
statewide moratorium up for no data centers. That's where the momentum is now.

652
00:37:20,763 --> 00:37:20,763
It is now.

653
00:37:20,958 --> 00:37:24,063
And that raises all kinds of constitutional problems for the data centers to

654
00:37:24,078 --> 00:37:28,788
basically say, you're in a community, it's zoned properly, and the state's saying

655
00:37:28,818 --> 00:37:31,968
there's a moratorium. So there's a lot of back and forth on that.

656
00:37:31,998 --> 00:37:37,158
What this does is this puts a moratorium in the city of Warren on data

657
00:37:37,308 --> 00:37:41,613
centers until we can develop criteria in the zoning ordinance.

658
00:37:41,718 --> 00:37:45,738
If you open the zoning ordinance now, and you can look up all kinds of things, auto

659
00:37:45,828 --> 00:37:46,622
washes-

660
00:37:46,998 --> 00:37:47,208
Mm-hmm

661
00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:51,318
... funeral homes, you can find any type of business, and data centers aren't in

662
00:37:51,348 --> 00:37:56,779
there. Okay? And so the City of Warren wants to define these centers, especially

663
00:37:56,838 --> 00:38:00,468
the large scale ones. We talk about hyper scale data centers that are going to suck

664
00:38:00,498 --> 00:38:04,637
water and energy and create all these issues. It's not defined in the ordinance.

665
00:38:04,699 --> 00:38:10,683
So this gives us time as a city to develop some criteria because right now, without

666
00:38:10,683 --> 00:38:16,068
this moratorium, someone could acquire a parcel of land anywhere in the city and

667
00:38:16,128 --> 00:38:20,373
find something similar to a data center and say, "I have a right to use this.

668
00:38:20,478 --> 00:38:25,848
You never defined it. You can't restrict me." So, and of course, a moratorium can't

669
00:38:25,878 --> 00:38:28,998
go on forever. We have to be earnestly working on changes.

670
00:38:29,058 --> 00:38:33,378
We did this with the car wash and gas station moratorium, which is currently--

671
00:38:35,058 --> 00:38:36,168
There's changes being made there.

672
00:38:36,228 --> 00:38:40,248
So once this passes, we're going to have to work with planning and attorney's

673
00:38:40,338 --> 00:38:43,308
office and everybody to make sure that changes are coming.

674
00:38:43,368 --> 00:38:48,243
In the meantime, if Congress passes some law that tries to tie our hands with the

675
00:38:48,348 --> 00:38:51,978
state legislature, we'll come back to the council and advise how that affects our

676
00:38:52,008 --> 00:38:55,788
moratorium. I absolutely don't see that happening, especially before this

677
00:38:55,848 --> 00:38:58,428
moratorium has got a 12-month life.

678
00:38:58,458 --> 00:38:58,473
Yeah.

679
00:38:58,578 --> 00:39:00,288
These moratoriums can't go on for more than a year.

680
00:39:00,318 --> 00:39:01,473
And I also want to mention that,

681
00:39:02,868 --> 00:39:06,798
recently, I think Gibraltar, a city in Downriver area-

682
00:39:07,113 --> 00:39:07,293
Yeah

683
00:39:07,293 --> 00:39:09,348
... got sued for their moratorium-

684
00:39:09,378 --> 00:39:09,603
Mm-hmm

685
00:39:09,798 --> 00:39:12,858
... because they were affecting some existing

686
00:39:14,238 --> 00:39:16,324
applicants who had an interest in property.

687
00:39:16,788 --> 00:39:22,398
We put some safeguards in here to try to prevent that litigation, so I don't think

688
00:39:22,458 --> 00:39:24,738
we're going to see litigation here. We put safeguards in here.

689
00:39:25,608 --> 00:39:25,699
So-

690
00:39:26,118 --> 00:39:26,223
Thank you.

691
00:39:26,223 --> 00:39:27,468
Madam Chair?

692
00:39:28,023 --> 00:39:28,023
Yes.

693
00:39:28,758 --> 00:39:33,949
I think it sort of goes back to when there were topless bars.

694
00:39:34,398 --> 00:39:34,428
Okay.

695
00:39:34,878 --> 00:39:39,978
You can't just say, "We can't have topless bars," or, "We can't have this." We just

696
00:39:40,038 --> 00:39:43,638
have to zone things appropriately so that they fit

697
00:39:45,288 --> 00:39:47,088
where we're going to put them. Right?

698
00:39:47,658 --> 00:39:51,558
That's true. You can't just ban something. You can restrict it by zoning.

699
00:39:52,488 --> 00:39:57,708
Topless bars was a whole other issue because the Supreme Court thought that there

700
00:39:57,738 --> 00:40:01,848
was some First Amendment implication to people expressing themselves, but that's a

701
00:40:01,908 --> 00:40:05,553
totally separate issue. And the City of Warren, frankly, solved that problem by

702
00:40:05,598 --> 00:40:10,068
hiring an expert 20 years ago. He came in, the city spent a lot of money, and there

703
00:40:10,098 --> 00:40:11,658
are now none of those places in Warren.

704
00:40:11,688 --> 00:40:15,453
And the one that existed is gone because they screwed up on their zoning, and

705
00:40:15,468 --> 00:40:19,383
they're gone. So, that's exactly what we want to do with data centers, is make sure

706
00:40:19,428 --> 00:40:22,878
we have the best strictest zoning ordinance that protects the community, but you

707
00:40:22,938 --> 00:40:27,123
can't outright ban it. You go to the zoning ordinance now, you don't see a ban on

708
00:40:27,168 --> 00:40:29,868
any of these things. But this is the right way to handle it, so you're correct.

709
00:40:30,318 --> 00:40:33,078
Mr. Noonan.

710
00:40:33,138 --> 00:40:38,568
Yeah. So I see that it says on page 641 of the agenda,

711
00:40:39,978 --> 00:40:44,493
there's a paragraph that starts, "Therefore, it is resolved," and it's talking

712
00:40:44,538 --> 00:40:49,098
about the definition of a data center facility, and at the bottom of the paragraph,

713
00:40:49,158 --> 00:40:49,623
it says,

714
00:40:52,488 --> 00:40:58,279
"But does not include server rooms incidental to a principal permitted use that

715
00:40:58,338 --> 00:41:04,218
occupy less than 2,500 square feet of floor area." I was wondering, I

716
00:41:04,398 --> 00:41:10,008
heard Madam Secretary say that there are already several data center type

717
00:41:10,098 --> 00:41:13,608
things, like probably GM must have something.

718
00:41:13,638 --> 00:41:16,188
Are those less than 2,500 square feet?

719
00:41:19,488 --> 00:41:22,518
I don't know the answer to that. This isn't going to ban anything that's already

720
00:41:22,548 --> 00:41:22,953
existing.

721
00:41:23,029 --> 00:41:23,793
Retroactively.

722
00:41:23,898 --> 00:41:24,558
This isn't retro.

723
00:41:25,458 --> 00:41:25,548
Yeah.

724
00:41:25,578 --> 00:41:30,018
This is looking forward. So if there's existing facilities, this won't affect that.

725
00:41:30,078 --> 00:41:33,558
If they're approved, if they're already approved and permitted and have proper

726
00:41:33,648 --> 00:41:38,088
zoning. A data center's just a large storage facility.

727
00:41:38,208 --> 00:41:38,223
I

728
00:41:39,468 --> 00:41:42,993
could have a couple of servers in my closet at home and call it a mini data center,

729
00:41:43,098 --> 00:41:43,279
right?

730
00:41:43,324 --> 00:41:43,324
Right.

731
00:41:43,338 --> 00:41:47,868
It's just where they store data. So it's not going to affect any existing use.

732
00:41:48,408 --> 00:41:53,988
The mega centers that are going in around the country that have jet

733
00:41:54,048 --> 00:41:58,938
turbines as backup generators and things like that, we don't have anything like

734
00:41:58,998 --> 00:42:01,277
that probably, as far as you know?

735
00:42:01,578 --> 00:42:03,378
I haven't seen one. I don't think there is one.

736
00:42:03,438 --> 00:42:08,388
I think we have a lot of military industrial use here.

737
00:42:08,449 --> 00:42:08,853
We have-

738
00:42:09,618 --> 00:42:09,888
Right

739
00:42:10,008 --> 00:42:12,438
... General Motors. We have a lot of big industrial use.

740
00:42:12,498 --> 00:42:16,053
They may have some version of a data center that's been here for a long time-

741
00:42:16,338 --> 00:42:16,383
Mm-hmm

742
00:42:16,578 --> 00:42:20,688
... and it's being served. And they may not be hyper scale data centers, the kind

743
00:42:20,718 --> 00:42:22,293
that is drawing all the attention-

744
00:42:22,488 --> 00:42:22,562
Mm-hmm

745
00:42:22,638 --> 00:42:24,558
... all over the country and all over the state of Michigan.

746
00:42:24,648 --> 00:42:25,068
Right.

747
00:42:25,098 --> 00:42:28,218
But, yeah. So it's hard to say.

748
00:42:29,718 --> 00:42:33,288
We're just not banning-- Anything that exists is not at risk here.

749
00:42:33,498 --> 00:42:38,208
I mainly wanted to try to have a discussion of what we know at this point for the

750
00:42:38,238 --> 00:42:43,248
public who-- And I think most of the public doesn't know as much as we might know.

751
00:42:43,338 --> 00:42:45,348
So, thank you very much for that.

752
00:42:46,758 --> 00:42:48,768
Thank you. Mr. Lafferty?

753
00:42:49,248 --> 00:42:52,699
Mr. Schroeder pretty much answered what I was going to say.

754
00:42:53,357 --> 00:42:57,857
The only other aspect is data centers at GM.

755
00:42:58,488 --> 00:43:04,128
They may have a server room that would be four to five times the size of the room

756
00:43:04,158 --> 00:43:05,088
we're in right now.

757
00:43:05,208 --> 00:43:05,404
Mm-hmm.

758
00:43:05,643 --> 00:43:09,378
But it's localized, and it serves the needs of that particular building.

759
00:43:09,529 --> 00:43:09,723
Mm-hmm.

760
00:43:10,038 --> 00:43:15,108
It's not something that's serving the needs of the public or other large

761
00:43:15,138 --> 00:43:18,318
corporations. Those are largely internal.

762
00:43:18,348 --> 00:43:23,268
The City of Warren has data rooms or server rooms, server closets on different

763
00:43:23,328 --> 00:43:23,688
floors-

764
00:43:24,018 --> 00:43:24,123
Mm-hmm

765
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:29,418
... that I would imagine and assume that they would be excluded from this, and

766
00:43:29,449 --> 00:43:31,488
that's what Mr. Schroeder has confirmed.

767
00:43:32,388 --> 00:43:32,748
Thank you.

768
00:43:34,818 --> 00:43:35,718
Any other discussion?

769
00:43:37,158 --> 00:43:37,758
That's it.

770
00:43:39,258 --> 00:43:40,848
I'm sorry.

771
00:43:42,288 --> 00:43:43,488
I don't understand.

772
00:43:43,668 --> 00:43:45,199
Yeah, you can't-

773
00:43:45,888 --> 00:43:48,047
If you ban topless bars-

774
00:43:48,108 --> 00:43:48,738
Sir, you can't

775
00:43:50,568 --> 00:43:52,098
talk while we're having the meeting.

776
00:43:52,699 --> 00:43:56,029
Well, can you speak a little louder? I didn't hear what he said.

777
00:43:56,358 --> 00:43:59,192
We can certainly try to speak louder, but we can't have a back and forth while

778
00:43:59,208 --> 00:44:02,508
we're having a meeting. Okay.

779
00:44:04,158 --> 00:44:07,188
I will call the question on-

780
00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:08,268
Data centers

781
00:44:08,283 --> 00:44:09,154
... data centers. Thank you. Ms. Moore?

782
00:44:09,348 --> 00:44:09,588
Yes.

783
00:44:09,738 --> 00:44:10,383
Mr. Dwyer?

784
00:44:10,668 --> 00:44:10,818
Yes.

785
00:44:11,388 --> 00:44:12,123
Mr. Lafferty?

786
00:44:12,318 --> 00:44:12,558
Yes.

787
00:44:12,738 --> 00:44:13,458
Ms. McGee?

788
00:44:13,518 --> 00:44:13,788
Yes.

789
00:44:13,848 --> 00:44:14,449
Mr. Noonan?

790
00:44:14,538 --> 00:44:14,808
Yes.

791
00:44:14,838 --> 00:44:15,588
Mr. Boyke?

792
00:44:15,648 --> 00:44:15,813
Yes.

793
00:44:16,188 --> 00:44:19,442
Roggenkamp is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.

794
00:44:19,548 --> 00:44:23,868
Next item is 12C, Council Secretary Mindy Moore, discussion and rate water bills.

795
00:44:24,768 --> 00:44:25,218
So moved.

796
00:44:25,518 --> 00:44:26,178
Support Lafferty.

797
00:44:26,838 --> 00:44:28,038
Discussion, Ms. Moore.

798
00:44:28,248 --> 00:44:34,023
Thank you. I have had several phone calls and a few emails

799
00:44:34,038 --> 00:44:38,178
from some residents that noticed an increase in their water bills.

800
00:44:38,268 --> 00:44:43,938
As of July 1st, new rates went into effect, and now people are getting those

801
00:44:43,998 --> 00:44:49,713
bills. And, the request that I got was just explain why they saw the

802
00:44:49,788 --> 00:44:53,913
increase. And I did reach out to the controller's office, and the assistant

803
00:44:53,958 --> 00:44:59,373
controller wrote me a very comprehensive explanation that I've passed on to some of

804
00:44:59,388 --> 00:45:04,938
the residents that had asked me. And one of the things that was

805
00:45:04,998 --> 00:45:10,848
mentioned was that they weren't aware of there being a water increase and what it

806
00:45:10,878 --> 00:45:16,458
was based on. And we can say we had a public hearing, we

807
00:45:16,518 --> 00:45:19,548
discussed the budget. It's in the minutes.

808
00:45:19,578 --> 00:45:25,038
But quite frankly, how many people are really aware of having a budget

809
00:45:25,098 --> 00:45:28,279
hearing and what we do on a daily basis?

810
00:45:28,368 --> 00:45:32,373
Nobody waits for those minutes to come out to see how we voted in those

811
00:45:32,449 --> 00:45:37,908
particulars. And one of the things that I think everybody notices is

812
00:45:37,968 --> 00:45:42,708
there's an insert in the water bill every month And it's

813
00:45:43,218 --> 00:45:47,449
parties and events and things like that advertised.

814
00:45:47,958 --> 00:45:53,598
But maybe we should be putting pertinent information that residents need to

815
00:45:53,658 --> 00:45:54,018
know.

816
00:45:55,548 --> 00:46:01,233
So I would suggest maybe next month that there be maybe an insert that says,

817
00:46:01,593 --> 00:46:07,023
"So you might have noticed your water bill has increased a bit, and this is why."

818
00:46:07,038 --> 00:46:12,738
And maybe it could be explained in a simple way that everyone could understand.

819
00:46:12,798 --> 00:46:16,878
It is complicated because there's a lot of computations and there's charges for

820
00:46:16,938 --> 00:46:22,713
infrastructure and bonding and water rates and all kinds of things that go into

821
00:46:22,788 --> 00:46:25,654
that, that I certainly couldn't rattle off the top of my head.

822
00:46:25,758 --> 00:46:28,308
I had to reach out and get better answers. Mr.

823
00:46:28,518 --> 00:46:32,628
Cost knows what I'm talking about, right? So maybe we could do that.

824
00:46:32,718 --> 00:46:38,208
And just to follow on with not just water bills, there are other things that are

825
00:46:38,268 --> 00:46:40,907
coming up that people need to be reminded of.

826
00:46:41,418 --> 00:46:43,878
Blight issues, e-bikes,

827
00:46:45,618 --> 00:46:51,048
mini bikes. There are certain things that are becoming a big issue for residents.

828
00:46:51,078 --> 00:46:53,779
We're all getting calls about them. Or drones.

829
00:46:54,078 --> 00:46:59,148
It'd be great if we had an insert that explains to people we don't have any control

830
00:46:59,208 --> 00:47:02,898
over Amazon. We have no control over the airspace.

831
00:47:03,558 --> 00:47:07,608
That is the FAA. Call your congressman.

832
00:47:07,654 --> 00:47:10,728
Boy, that sounds like a cliche. Call your congressman.

833
00:47:11,958 --> 00:47:15,708
But it's true. We have no say. Call Amazon if you want.

834
00:47:15,798 --> 00:47:20,177
I told people, "If you don't like it, boycott Amazon." I don't know what the answer

835
00:47:20,238 --> 00:47:24,287
is if you don't like it. They don't bother me. I don't think they're that loud.

836
00:47:25,428 --> 00:47:29,553
I've never needed mascara that quick that I needed to have it sent by drone, but I

837
00:47:29,598 --> 00:47:31,638
suppose there could be an emergency.

838
00:47:31,699 --> 00:47:34,593
But there are those issues that are coming up in the city,

839
00:47:35,808 --> 00:47:38,148
and almost everybody gets a water bill.

840
00:47:38,238 --> 00:47:44,178
And if we can advertise if there's a foam party or whatever, maybe we could put

841
00:47:44,193 --> 00:47:47,418
some information that's important for residents to know.

842
00:47:47,433 --> 00:47:51,768
"Hey, just a reminder, you need to spray your cracks on your sidewalk.

843
00:47:51,828 --> 00:47:54,678
That's blight having..." Just little things like that.

844
00:47:54,738 --> 00:47:59,404
Not get on a date with people with a zillion things, but maybe focus on one thing a

845
00:47:59,538 --> 00:48:02,358
month so that we're getting information out there.

846
00:48:02,373 --> 00:48:07,654
And I'll go back to the mini bikes. They are illegal on every street, every

847
00:48:07,699 --> 00:48:12,408
sidewalk in the state of Michigan. You can't use them anywhere.

848
00:48:13,338 --> 00:48:18,888
And it's hard to enforce. A police car can't drive down between two

849
00:48:18,978 --> 00:48:21,678
houses and go to parks when these kids are running away from it.

850
00:48:21,918 --> 00:48:26,358
But the parents need to know they are illegal, and if you're buying kids mini

851
00:48:26,418 --> 00:48:30,199
bikes, you're buying them something that is illegal for them to use.

852
00:48:30,588 --> 00:48:34,233
So we've got to get to the source of what the problem is, because we can't catch...

853
00:48:35,118 --> 00:48:40,953
I guess there was another down eight mile, hundreds of kids on mini bikes just

854
00:48:40,968 --> 00:48:44,748
kind of taunting the police because they can get away and you can't catch them.

855
00:48:45,258 --> 00:48:50,133
Maybe they can use drones now. But I'm just sort of suggesting that there's things

856
00:48:50,178 --> 00:48:53,418
and information we can give residents in the water bill.

857
00:48:53,898 --> 00:48:59,658
People don't turn on TV, Warren, and watch, wait for the news so maybe that's a

858
00:48:59,688 --> 00:49:02,898
way for us to get some important information. Just a suggestion.

859
00:49:03,018 --> 00:49:04,008
I can't force

860
00:49:05,449 --> 00:49:09,333
the mayor to do something, but I think that that would be a really important thing

861
00:49:09,348 --> 00:49:12,348
to do, and it'll be helpful to residents. And we'll cut down on the calls.

862
00:49:12,408 --> 00:49:15,228
I don't mind taking calls, but I don't have all those answers.

863
00:49:15,288 --> 00:49:19,382
Dave Cost or somebody else can explain those things, and if it's in a written form,

864
00:49:20,178 --> 00:49:22,878
then we can tell people and talk about the drones.

865
00:49:23,298 --> 00:49:25,728
Somebody suggested we have a town hall on drones.

866
00:49:26,628 --> 00:49:28,728
Well, we can't do anything about them.

867
00:49:28,863 --> 00:49:28,983
Mm-hmm.

868
00:49:29,253 --> 00:49:35,178
We just can't. So it's just a suggestion and I hope my colleagues agree

869
00:49:35,208 --> 00:49:35,673
with me, but

870
00:49:37,368 --> 00:49:39,348
that's it. Mr. Lafferty.

871
00:49:39,888 --> 00:49:44,178
Thank you. Madam Secretary, all great suggestions.

872
00:49:45,048 --> 00:49:50,642
I just get the impression that the water bill insert is simply not big

873
00:49:50,688 --> 00:49:55,382
enough to put all of that in. But even if

874
00:49:56,898 --> 00:50:01,638
one thing a month, I think they could probably have something very important, but

875
00:50:01,699 --> 00:50:03,738
maybe even add a QR code-

876
00:50:04,458 --> 00:50:04,562
Mm-hmm

877
00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:10,578
... where they could say, "This is the highlight for the month, and we

878
00:50:10,608 --> 00:50:13,458
want to talk about all these other important things.

879
00:50:14,029 --> 00:50:19,683
Click this QR code or scan this QR code and see the next highlight topics."

880
00:50:19,683 --> 00:50:22,668
Do you think your 87-year-old aunt can click on a-

881
00:50:23,148 --> 00:50:23,838
Well, maybe-

882
00:50:24,062 --> 00:50:25,428
... a QR code and get information?

883
00:50:25,488 --> 00:50:26,613
Those are our tech-savvy, but-

884
00:50:26,688 --> 00:50:28,052
You got a really tech-savvy-

885
00:50:29,493 --> 00:50:30,949
... elderly aunt.

886
00:50:30,978 --> 00:50:35,598
But no doubt that maybe we can maximize.

887
00:50:35,898 --> 00:50:36,108
Yeah.

888
00:50:36,168 --> 00:50:38,538
That's another way of doing it, but great idea.

889
00:50:38,568 --> 00:50:39,783
And

890
00:50:41,658 --> 00:50:46,083
I have noticed the text on those water bill inserts sometimes are really tiny.

891
00:50:46,398 --> 00:50:46,908
Mm-hmm.

892
00:50:47,148 --> 00:50:48,708
And they're really hard to read.

893
00:50:48,828 --> 00:50:49,188
Need to enlarge them.

894
00:50:49,308 --> 00:50:54,678
So I think the whole insert needs to be revamped, but certainly

895
00:50:54,978 --> 00:51:00,543
good quality content that's not duplicating what we have in Warren today,

896
00:51:01,188 --> 00:51:06,918
which has its own magazine that we said, "Well, here's for the library and

897
00:51:07,008 --> 00:51:10,158
for parks and rec to use." I just got mine.

898
00:51:10,218 --> 00:51:12,423
The water bill should not be a

899
00:51:14,478 --> 00:51:17,209
duplication of it. So thank you.

900
00:51:17,268 --> 00:51:19,699
Madam Chair. Madam Chair. Do you want to say something?

901
00:51:20,658 --> 00:51:26,058
Just a point. The water bill was completely revamped this month.

902
00:51:26,148 --> 00:51:28,248
It is completely different. It is readable.

903
00:51:28,308 --> 00:51:28,954
It's just lines and-

904
00:51:29,358 --> 00:51:35,148
It is readable, but it's still just advertising meetings with the mayor and events

905
00:51:35,358 --> 00:51:35,538
and-

906
00:51:35,688 --> 00:51:36,722
Well, but it's like-

907
00:51:36,722 --> 00:51:37,579
But it's not information.

908
00:51:37,668 --> 00:51:41,028
It's got all the library stuff and it's got all the parks and recreation stuff

909
00:51:41,118 --> 00:51:43,338
because library and parks are the two that pay for it.

910
00:51:43,968 --> 00:51:47,358
Right. Well, they have their own publication-

911
00:51:47,552 --> 00:51:47,552
Right

912
00:51:47,552 --> 00:51:48,858
... advertising everything.

913
00:51:48,918 --> 00:51:51,408
Well, that was the theory back in the day.

914
00:51:51,468 --> 00:51:53,658
So that's the majority of the stuff that comes through.

915
00:51:53,688 --> 00:51:56,449
There's also community stuff that gets pushed through it.

916
00:51:56,478 --> 00:51:57,423
There's all kinds of other-

917
00:51:57,438 --> 00:51:58,443
I know, but there's-

918
00:51:58,848 --> 00:51:59,312
But we stopped-

919
00:51:59,358 --> 00:52:02,733
I'm not sure the residents care that much about that, but they would like to have

920
00:52:02,778 --> 00:52:03,618
real information.

921
00:52:03,768 --> 00:52:06,767
To be honest, I don't think none of you realize that the water insert changed.

922
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:07,352
I don't think anybody-

923
00:52:07,489 --> 00:52:11,898
I did. I saw it. No. I paid attention.

924
00:52:12,168 --> 00:52:14,117
Maybe Jonathan didn't, but I did see.

925
00:52:14,418 --> 00:52:16,938
I knew it changed, and that's why I knew it had events.

926
00:52:17,223 --> 00:52:18,663
And when the mayor was having

927
00:52:19,878 --> 00:52:24,977
whatever those things are down at whatever. Just paying. Okay. Yeah.

928
00:52:25,038 --> 00:52:28,008
So a motion to receive and file this item.

929
00:52:28,459 --> 00:52:28,713
I had-

930
00:52:28,938 --> 00:52:30,018
You have a question, Ms. McGee?

931
00:52:30,063 --> 00:52:35,449
No, I was suggesting that when we get our utility bills, normally when the

932
00:52:35,628 --> 00:52:41,508
prices, the cost, the monthly fees, whatever it is, the bill go up, they put it in

933
00:52:41,538 --> 00:52:44,778
red bold on the insert.

934
00:52:46,308 --> 00:52:51,829
And it would say, like DTE would say, "Notice you're getting an increase." Like

935
00:52:52,998 --> 00:52:58,548
Madam Secretary said, put it on the insert, but put it in red bold print so

936
00:52:58,638 --> 00:53:00,768
everyone will know that it's going to increase.

937
00:53:01,248 --> 00:53:02,239
How your bill's changing.

938
00:53:02,268 --> 00:53:02,673
Good idea.

939
00:53:02,929 --> 00:53:04,968
Mm-hmm.

940
00:53:05,028 --> 00:53:05,628
Thank you.

941
00:53:06,048 --> 00:53:10,579
Point of order, Madam Chair. I think a motion to approve would be more prudent to

942
00:53:10,608 --> 00:53:13,908
send this to the administration based on Madam Secretary's suggestions.

943
00:53:14,568 --> 00:53:16,233
Sure. It was just a suggestion.

944
00:53:17,778 --> 00:53:22,398
So that, Ms. Moore and Mr. Lafferty, your-

945
00:53:22,443 --> 00:53:22,443
Yes

946
00:53:22,443 --> 00:53:23,838
... original motion is good.

947
00:53:25,848 --> 00:53:28,728
I will call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty?

948
00:53:28,848 --> 00:53:29,088
Yes.

949
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:31,413
Ms. McGee?

950
00:53:31,579 --> 00:53:31,848
Yes.

951
00:53:32,959 --> 00:53:36,543
Mr. Noonan? Yes. Mr. Boyke? Yes. Mr. Dwyer?

952
00:53:36,798 --> 00:53:37,098
Yes.

953
00:53:37,579 --> 00:53:40,188
Roggenkleve is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.

954
00:53:40,368 --> 00:53:44,868
Next item is 12D, Council Secretary Mindy Moore, discussion and rang commissions.

955
00:53:45,258 --> 00:53:45,574
So moved.

956
00:53:46,068 --> 00:53:46,908
Support.

957
00:53:47,538 --> 00:53:49,218
Discussion. Discussion. Thank you.

958
00:53:49,788 --> 00:53:53,628
What I really want to talk about are some of the ordinances concerning the

959
00:53:53,658 --> 00:53:58,429
commissions. And about, I think it was over six months ago, I brought up the

960
00:53:58,533 --> 00:54:03,679
beautification commission seemed to be quite out of date, and many of our

961
00:54:03,739 --> 00:54:06,243
ordinances have not been updated since the '60s.

962
00:54:06,978 --> 00:54:11,148
And we had gone through that and sent it to the beautification.

963
00:54:11,209 --> 00:54:12,858
I don't know, the city attorney's office.

964
00:54:12,978 --> 00:54:15,574
I just kind of wanted to follow up and see where that was,

965
00:54:16,878 --> 00:54:22,489
because I'm working on rewriting one of the ordinances now for the crime

966
00:54:22,548 --> 00:54:27,633
commission, and a group approached me and we're working on that, and I could

967
00:54:27,648 --> 00:54:32,718
probably have it done in a day or two, but I'm not sure why it's taking so long to

968
00:54:32,778 --> 00:54:35,493
do beautification. Minder.

969
00:54:37,038 --> 00:54:41,943
Sure. Every attorney is assigned to address the ordinances affecting their

970
00:54:41,989 --> 00:54:44,163
commission. Everyone is working on it

971
00:54:45,636 --> 00:54:48,726
I'll find out where it's at, but everybody's to get at least one draft.

972
00:54:48,816 --> 00:54:49,057
Okay.

973
00:54:49,896 --> 00:54:52,071
So something will be coming through.

974
00:54:52,297 --> 00:54:57,846
Okay. Because I'm working with a small committee that we're going to be

975
00:54:57,906 --> 00:54:59,226
redoing the Crime Commission.

976
00:55:00,547 --> 00:55:04,506
Because we've been approached to change the name, right?

977
00:55:05,016 --> 00:55:10,971
That crime has not a great connotation, that

978
00:55:11,016 --> 00:55:13,236
it should be Public Safety Commission.

979
00:55:13,297 --> 00:55:19,011
And there's some thought to add fire as well, so that the information,

980
00:55:19,837 --> 00:55:21,786
all the public safety goes together.

981
00:55:22,311 --> 00:55:26,481
And I think there's members from the fire department are going to work on it and

982
00:55:26,527 --> 00:55:28,446
the police and everybody's going to have...

983
00:55:28,566 --> 00:55:29,616
We've got people from the

984
00:55:31,146 --> 00:55:35,587
Crime Commission representatives. So we're going to be working on that.

985
00:55:35,616 --> 00:55:39,381
And of course, it's going to go to the attorneys once the lay people have it

986
00:55:39,396 --> 00:55:40,071
together, but-

987
00:55:40,341 --> 00:55:41,585
Yes, that's my piece working.

988
00:55:41,616 --> 00:55:45,427
Yeah. No. This is a different group, no.

989
00:55:46,446 --> 00:55:47,496
Madam Chair.

990
00:55:48,606 --> 00:55:50,316
I think, Madam Chair, council also asked about bylaws.

991
00:55:50,527 --> 00:55:55,297
Every attorney is working on bylaw updates for their commissions, including me.

992
00:55:56,616 --> 00:56:00,966
Now, one of the ones that I was really concerned about is DDA.

993
00:56:01,536 --> 00:56:05,616
This is going back about a year and a half or two years ago, and one of the

994
00:56:05,677 --> 00:56:11,631
concerns I had was the bylaw or whatever was going on on the rental of

995
00:56:11,677 --> 00:56:17,527
the atrium, because the atrium, as I understand it, is under the purview of the

996
00:56:17,557 --> 00:56:22,356
DDA. The outside grounds is the Parks and Recreation, and we're supposed to be

997
00:56:22,386 --> 00:56:26,976
coming up with some reasonable fees for those, because we've not been charging

998
00:56:27,006 --> 00:56:32,016
anywhere near enough. I saw someone FOIA some information of an event that happened

999
00:56:32,047 --> 00:56:34,191
at the atrium. I believe it might have been Ms. Harris.

1000
00:56:34,866 --> 00:56:39,547
And they were charged the fee, they were charged as it was the pavilion at the

1001
00:56:39,606 --> 00:56:44,316
park. That's how the bill came out.

1002
00:56:44,706 --> 00:56:48,096
They were charged for a pavilion, not the atrium.

1003
00:56:48,996 --> 00:56:52,027
So I'm a little concerned about that.

1004
00:56:52,087 --> 00:56:57,096
There's no consistency on who's charged what, who, if somebody doesn't have

1005
00:56:57,126 --> 00:57:00,141
insurance, then all of a sudden one of the commissions is sponsoring them, and it

1006
00:57:00,186 --> 00:57:05,406
becomes a city event. And these are happening in the middle of the budget years

1007
00:57:05,466 --> 00:57:08,751
when it's something we've never heard about before, then all of a sudden there's

1008
00:57:08,797 --> 00:57:13,446
another festival. There's another this, that, and there's just doesn't seem to be

1009
00:57:13,506 --> 00:57:18,726
consistency in what the charges are and those things, and we haven't.

1010
00:57:18,846 --> 00:57:22,777
We've asked to see it, and we've not been provided.

1011
00:57:23,136 --> 00:57:26,751
And it's been almost two years, I think, since we asked for that documentation

1012
00:57:26,797 --> 00:57:32,751
about we wanted to see the form, how much the atrium charge was and all these

1013
00:57:32,797 --> 00:57:36,636
things that go with that. That's not yours, but I think I'll talk with some of the

1014
00:57:36,666 --> 00:57:41,766
DDA members. The bylaws, they have not elected a

1015
00:57:41,856 --> 00:57:47,256
chairperson of the DDA. Under their bylaws, they must elect a

1016
00:57:47,286 --> 00:57:51,036
chairperson. There is no elected chairperson to the DDA.

1017
00:57:52,027 --> 00:57:55,807
They never voted on a chairperson since the last term,

1018
00:57:57,666 --> 00:58:02,166
which Mayor Feltz was the chairperson, and there's never been a vote on who the

1019
00:58:02,196 --> 00:58:08,090
chairperson was. The mayor is the CEO of the DDA, the same thing of every mayor is,

1020
00:58:08,196 --> 00:58:12,307
but they're not the chairperson. You have to vote in a chairperson.

1021
00:58:16,027 --> 00:58:18,231
They're just violating the bylaws.

1022
00:58:18,366 --> 00:58:18,516
So-

1023
00:58:20,736 --> 00:58:22,057
I know you're bringing that up before.

1024
00:58:22,087 --> 00:58:24,186
I thought that was rectified in the former vote.

1025
00:58:24,427 --> 00:58:24,547
No.

1026
00:58:25,956 --> 00:58:30,576
There's never been a vote. Because people have FOIA'd it, and none exist.

1027
00:58:30,786 --> 00:58:35,750
They've asked for that vote in the minutes, and the answer always in the FOIA is it

1028
00:58:35,797 --> 00:58:38,886
doesn't exist. It's denied because it doesn't exist.

1029
00:58:38,946 --> 00:58:44,436
So that tells me, because I'm sure that whoever answers FOIA does a reasonable,

1030
00:58:44,557 --> 00:58:47,706
diligent search for information. They don't just make up things.

1031
00:58:48,096 --> 00:58:49,566
I've not seen that ever. So...

1032
00:58:50,496 --> 00:58:53,226
Jeff prepares due to a draft of the use facility

1033
00:58:54,786 --> 00:59:00,096
protocol for the DDA, and that'll be going to the DDA soon, but the council wanted

1034
00:59:00,156 --> 00:59:00,906
to see it, too.

1035
00:59:01,266 --> 00:59:03,636
Well, we have to prove bylaws of all commissions.

1036
00:59:04,146 --> 00:59:07,716
The bylaws, it's actually the new facility use system.

1037
00:59:07,896 --> 00:59:10,057
But in the bylaws, the bylaws give Mr.

1038
00:59:12,186 --> 00:59:12,936
Bommarito

1039
00:59:14,166 --> 00:59:19,881
sole and exclusive authority to decide who rents that facility, as I

1040
00:59:19,896 --> 00:59:21,906
understand it. That's what we were told.

1041
00:59:21,936 --> 00:59:25,896
That's why we wanted to see the bylaws that gave him that authority.

1042
00:59:27,666 --> 00:59:32,016
I'll give counsel what Jeff or Mr. Pierce put together for the facility use before

1043
00:59:32,076 --> 00:59:33,052
it goes to you.

1044
00:59:33,156 --> 00:59:35,166
Okay. All right. Thank you.

1045
00:59:35,226 --> 00:59:35,466
Thank you.

1046
00:59:36,590 --> 00:59:36,590
Thank you.

1047
00:59:36,606 --> 00:59:37,462
Mr. Dwyer.

1048
00:59:38,376 --> 00:59:43,221
Yes, just to follow up, in regards to beautification, we are in the process of

1049
00:59:43,266 --> 00:59:46,986
finalizing the bylaws and the ordinances.

1050
00:59:47,766 --> 00:59:53,256
We plan on having that all done at our next meeting, which is in October.

1051
00:59:53,376 --> 00:59:57,307
So we're pretty much to the finish line with that. So...

1052
00:59:58,236 --> 00:59:58,596
Thank you.

1053
00:59:59,196 --> 00:59:59,616
You're welcome.

1054
01:00:00,636 --> 01:00:00,996
Madam Chair?

1055
01:00:01,596 --> 01:00:01,837
Yes.

1056
01:00:02,976 --> 01:00:08,436
Through the chair to Ms. Moore, you had asked about also a list

1057
01:00:08,616 --> 01:00:10,777
of all seats,

1058
01:00:12,036 --> 01:00:17,646
those commissioners that were assigned or appointed to those

1059
01:00:17,706 --> 01:00:21,337
terms, the length of terms, and

1060
01:00:22,656 --> 01:00:27,876
the expiration dates for all of those. Have you received that information yet?

1061
01:00:28,027 --> 01:00:31,716
I have not, and if you won't mind me adding to this, and I was going to discuss it

1062
01:00:31,746 --> 01:00:34,641
when we did planning next, when we approved the planning.

1063
01:00:36,456 --> 01:00:41,496
The planning expiration dates have all been changed to June 30th.

1064
01:00:41,557 --> 01:00:41,766
Now,

1065
01:00:43,206 --> 01:00:45,126
I don't think that is appropriate.

1066
01:00:45,216 --> 01:00:49,986
You can't just willy-nilly say everybody's going to expire on the same day when you

1067
01:00:50,076 --> 01:00:54,876
had perhaps... I'm going to take the ZBA. Mr. Clift is sitting here.

1068
01:00:54,966 --> 01:00:56,691
So say you got appointed from

1069
01:00:57,996 --> 01:01:01,927
April to the April three years from then.

1070
01:01:02,496 --> 01:01:07,297
I can't then change and say your term expires in June now.

1071
01:01:07,356 --> 01:01:08,751
Can I expound a little bit of your-

1072
01:01:08,856 --> 01:01:10,025
No, I'm sorry, you can't.

1073
01:01:10,071 --> 01:01:10,656
No, sorry. Yeah.

1074
01:01:11,166 --> 01:01:11,976
I know what happened.

1075
01:01:12,006 --> 01:01:15,365
But I'm talking about planning. It doesn't matter if you've exceeded it.

1076
01:01:15,996 --> 01:01:19,386
If you're beyond your term, that term still stays the same.

1077
01:01:19,807 --> 01:01:24,036
We have a member of the planning that their term expired in 2022.

1078
01:01:26,436 --> 01:01:31,761
And we're appointing someone new today and not taking care of that 2022

1079
01:01:31,761 --> 01:01:37,087
appointment. That doesn't make any sense to me, but you can't change an expiration

1080
01:01:37,116 --> 01:01:40,297
date if it says three years. You can't change it.

1081
01:01:40,686 --> 01:01:45,666
Whether somebody serves past their date or not, that term never changes.

1082
01:01:47,226 --> 01:01:51,486
And I think it's probably in the Planning Enabling Act. I don't know. Maybe Mr.

1083
01:01:51,696 --> 01:01:54,486
Short will look it up before we get to planning. You got it? Okay.

1084
01:01:55,777 --> 01:01:59,226
No, you can. Yeah, please. If it's okay. Sure.

1085
01:01:59,286 --> 01:02:03,156
Well, if we're just talking about planning, there's nine planning commissioners,

1086
01:02:03,996 --> 01:02:09,876
and there are three sets of terms because

1087
01:02:09,936 --> 01:02:15,666
the way the state law works and the ordinances is that they don't want everybody up

1088
01:02:15,726 --> 01:02:17,991
at the same time. They stagger the terms.

1089
01:02:19,116 --> 01:02:24,066
On the city website, there are eight current planning commissioners listed.

1090
01:02:24,096 --> 01:02:26,001
There's evidently a ninth vacancy.

1091
01:02:26,047 --> 01:02:29,121
They do not list the term expiration for the vacancy.

1092
01:02:30,156 --> 01:02:30,531
And

1093
01:02:31,956 --> 01:02:36,756
some of this is adding up. I see three that expire

1094
01:02:39,156 --> 01:02:44,661
on, would it be 2027? No. There's only two that expire in 2027.

1095
01:02:45,516 --> 01:02:51,456
There are two that expire in 2029. There's one person that's been sitting

1096
01:02:51,516 --> 01:02:54,936
expired since 2022, another person since 2023.

1097
01:02:54,996 --> 01:03:00,696
So you have a four-year holdover and a three-year holdover and a vacant term where

1098
01:03:00,726 --> 01:03:03,216
they don't disclose what the term expiration date is.

1099
01:03:03,726 --> 01:03:09,547
There should be three sets of three terms that all expire on

1100
01:03:09,576 --> 01:03:12,845
June 30th. So three a year is what the cycle is.

1101
01:03:12,951 --> 01:03:17,766
So, there needs to be some clarification here just to make sure it's following the

1102
01:03:17,886 --> 01:03:17,902
terms.

1103
01:03:17,916 --> 01:03:19,416
Well, I don't think it's always June.

1104
01:03:20,047 --> 01:03:21,396
Yes.

1105
01:03:21,486 --> 01:03:23,527
In planning, it's always been June?

1106
01:03:24,186 --> 01:03:24,427
Well-

1107
01:03:24,456 --> 01:03:25,177
They say that there

1108
01:03:25,476 --> 01:03:31,386
... the statute says that they all expire at the same time, but they're divided

1109
01:03:31,446 --> 01:03:31,956
into three-

1110
01:03:32,406 --> 01:03:32,646
Okay

1111
01:03:32,797 --> 01:03:33,516
... so they're staggered.

1112
01:03:33,876 --> 01:03:38,286
Okay. But see, that is the only one that's on the website because I think planning

1113
01:03:38,316 --> 01:03:41,751
went ahead and did it. Well, they're autonomous to the

1114
01:03:43,116 --> 01:03:48,591
city. But they're the only ones that have put their actual expiration dates on.

1115
01:03:49,087 --> 01:03:53,946
We have no idea who's on what commission, when their terms expire,

1116
01:03:54,846 --> 01:03:58,266
or anything else. And I don't know why that's not on there.

1117
01:03:58,356 --> 01:04:00,846
We've asked and asked and asked over and over.

1118
01:04:00,906 --> 01:04:04,866
I think it's unfair to residents for them not to know what openings are there.

1119
01:04:05,587 --> 01:04:09,816
ZBA is there because we had it put on. That's our commission that we appoint to.

1120
01:04:10,266 --> 01:04:10,446
So

1121
01:04:11,940 --> 01:04:14,641
It's just a mess. They've been a mess since day one.

1122
01:04:15,420 --> 01:04:17,101
We have commissions that nobody's been appointed.

1123
01:04:17,115 --> 01:04:19,141
There are two commissions that there's not one appointment.

1124
01:04:19,951 --> 01:04:20,971
Okay. And-

1125
01:04:21,090 --> 01:04:25,920
Three. Three. And go ahead, Mr. Lafferty, and then we'll make a motion.

1126
01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:28,891
Yeah, and I can bring this up at the

1127
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:36,840
item 13A, but the other concern I have is, and we should all be concerned with

1128
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:42,405
this, is that we cannot appoint somebody to a seat that hasn't been vacated unless

1129
01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:47,235
we're reappointing them. I don't understand how,

1130
01:04:47,310 --> 01:04:52,650
if the appointments that are coming over are to replace a person, let's say

1131
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,930
somebody will not be continuing that role.

1132
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:00,840
If they haven't resigned their seat, they're still in there, and if we

1133
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:05,580
confirm an appointment to planning, suddenly a 10th planning commissioner shows up

1134
01:05:05,610 --> 01:05:11,250
at the stage, and they have nowhere to sit because they haven't been told that

1135
01:05:11,310 --> 01:05:14,641
their seat has been replaced. Their seat hasn't vacated.

1136
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:20,610
So I have an issue with that, that I don't know, for 13A,

1137
01:05:21,540 --> 01:05:27,300
if they are taking a seat that has been vacated or if it is a vacant seat,

1138
01:05:28,170 --> 01:05:30,870
and I don't know if there's anybody here tonight that'll be able to tell us that.

1139
01:05:31,590 --> 01:05:32,580
So, thank you.

1140
01:05:32,820 --> 01:05:33,120
Thank you.

1141
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:35,910
What motion do you want for this, Ms.

1142
01:05:37,574 --> 01:05:37,574
Moore?

1143
01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:38,130
Sure.

1144
01:05:39,601 --> 01:05:40,320
Receive and file.

1145
01:05:40,590 --> 01:05:40,830
Okay.

1146
01:05:42,090 --> 01:05:46,320
So Ms. Moore, a motion. Mr. Lafferty, I have your support.

1147
01:05:47,731 --> 01:05:49,710
I will call the question. All in favor?

1148
01:05:49,860 --> 01:05:50,280
Aye.

1149
01:05:50,505 --> 01:05:51,240
Aye. Any opposed?

1150
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:53,490
No. Motion carries. Next item.

1151
01:05:53,550 --> 01:05:58,035
Next item is 12E, reappointment of William Clift, Sean Lindsay, and Gary Watts to

1152
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:03,420
the Zoning Board of Appeals with term expirations of September 2029. So moved.

1153
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:04,260
Support, Lafferty.

1154
01:06:04,351 --> 01:06:08,145
With discussion. Discussion, Ms. Moore. Thank you very much.

1155
01:06:08,310 --> 01:06:10,650
I just want to say thank you to the members that are here.

1156
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,675
We appreciate everything you do. I know it's a tough job, and you take a lot of

1157
01:06:15,721 --> 01:06:21,045
heat sometimes. You are forward-facing with residents and developers and city

1158
01:06:21,090 --> 01:06:23,190
departments, and I know it's not easy.

1159
01:06:23,221 --> 01:06:25,680
You have a lot of properties to go and check out.

1160
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:31,231
You have to go in person to see what's going on, and I really do appreciate all you

1161
01:06:31,290 --> 01:06:33,060
do. And

1162
01:06:34,260 --> 01:06:38,025
keep up the good work. Any other discussion?

1163
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:41,460
Okay, I will call the question. Ms. Moore?

1164
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:41,745
Yes.

1165
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:42,525
Mr. Lafferty?

1166
01:06:42,810 --> 01:06:43,065
Yes.

1167
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,115
Ms. McGee? Yes. Mr. Noonan?

1168
01:06:47,310 --> 01:06:47,505
Yes.

1169
01:06:47,940 --> 01:06:49,965
Mr. Boyke? Yes. Mr. Dwyer?

1170
01:06:50,130 --> 01:06:51,060
Yes.

1171
01:06:51,090 --> 01:06:53,280
Rogan, I see as yes. Motion carries. Next item.

1172
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:57,570
Next item is 12F, request of the Land Bank Brownfield Redevelopment Authority for

1173
01:06:57,630 --> 01:07:01,815
approval of their bylaws as adopted July 28th, 2026.

1174
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:05,310
So moved.

1175
01:07:05,370 --> 01:07:06,690
Support, Lafferty.

1176
01:07:06,721 --> 01:07:09,270
Any discussion? Yes. Mr. Noonan?

1177
01:07:09,990 --> 01:07:11,610
I have one about

1178
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:15,721
8.2.

1179
01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:19,830
I'll tell you what page it's on in a second.

1180
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:22,201
I think...

1181
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:24,779
Let's see.

1182
01:07:28,170 --> 01:07:31,380
No. Okay, what page is it on? I'm scrolling.

1183
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,914
About contracts under financial matters? Page 62.

1184
01:07:38,490 --> 01:07:39,810
Oh, it's on page 62?

1185
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:42,451
Yeah, on page 62.

1186
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:43,951
So

1187
01:07:45,930 --> 01:07:46,920
it's not clear to me

1188
01:07:48,180 --> 01:07:52,620
the situation couldn't occur in which the

1189
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:58,005
chairperson is acting on just their own authority without any checks or balance.

1190
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,685
Is that possible?

1191
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:06,451
Jeff, through the chair to Jeff, could you please explain to me the checks and

1192
01:08:06,481 --> 01:08:10,574
balances in the Land Bank to make sure that there isn't...

1193
01:08:11,221 --> 01:08:15,210
It doesn't seem like the Land Bank is really coming back on a lot of their

1194
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,130
decisions to the city council.

1195
01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:22,891
So to answer that, the Land Bank shouldn't be doing that.

1196
01:08:22,951 --> 01:08:26,880
The Land Bank is an independent authority under state law, authorized by the

1197
01:08:26,941 --> 01:08:30,090
intergovernmental agreement that this council authorized-

1198
01:08:30,210 --> 01:08:30,404
Right

1199
01:08:30,404 --> 01:08:31,455
... with the state Land Bank Authority.

1200
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:31,981
Right.

1201
01:08:32,130 --> 01:08:33,931
It's an independent authority now.

1202
01:08:34,020 --> 01:08:34,231
Okay.

1203
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,540
So they do not come back here for decisions.

1204
01:08:36,556 --> 01:08:36,556
Right.

1205
01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:39,885
The only thing that has to come back now, this is the Brownfield Authority-

1206
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:40,380
Right

1207
01:08:40,395 --> 01:08:45,300
... that works with the Land Bank, is that the bylaws have to be approved by the

1208
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:49,846
council. So their bylaws need to be approved, but the other decisions will not.

1209
01:08:49,891 --> 01:08:52,410
They will act as an independent authority here.

1210
01:08:52,441 --> 01:08:57,451
With respect to checks and balances, this says the board of directors may authorize

1211
01:08:57,510 --> 01:09:02,250
someone. For example, the chairperson may need to sign a contract, right, on behalf

1212
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,596
of the authority. Since this is an independent authority, the mayor would not be

1213
01:09:05,610 --> 01:09:09,435
signing contracts. So for the city, the mayor is the chief executive officer and-

1214
01:09:09,494 --> 01:09:09,645
Right

1215
01:09:09,750 --> 01:09:14,221
... signs contracts. For the Land Bank and the Land Bank Brownfield Authority, the

1216
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:18,960
authority itself would pass a resolution authorizing the chairperson to execute a

1217
01:09:18,990 --> 01:09:22,530
contract or to sign a check or to do something on behalf because there's no

1218
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,181
day-to-day CEO of the authority. So this is really what we call delegated

1219
01:09:27,210 --> 01:09:31,664
authority, and the chairperson would not be able to just go out and

1220
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,641
do things without board approval, if that's your question.

1221
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:37,410
Okay. So

1222
01:09:40,290 --> 01:09:45,721
it has to be voted on as we do with a majority

1223
01:09:46,951 --> 01:09:49,290
of the Land Bank Authority?

1224
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:49,860
Yes.

1225
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:51,990
Okay. And

1226
01:09:53,731 --> 01:09:57,090
the controller of the city is a voting member?

1227
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:03,330
The controller of the city is a voting member and also the fiscal agent for both

1228
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,860
the Brownfield, Land Bank Brownfield, and the Land Bank Authority.

1229
01:10:08,701 --> 01:10:11,040
Okay. Well, thank you for reassuring me on this point.

1230
01:10:11,250 --> 01:10:11,640
Yeah.

1231
01:10:11,701 --> 01:10:14,460
Madam Chair. For instance, Mr. Noonan,

1232
01:10:16,050 --> 01:10:20,580
I can issue a subpoena as secretary of the council, but I can't do that on my own.

1233
01:10:20,865 --> 01:10:26,610
I can only do that when this board, by a majority, gives me that authority.

1234
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,000
So I can't just issue a subpoena.

1235
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:32,490
It's the same thing.

1236
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:33,029
Okay.

1237
01:10:34,530 --> 01:10:38,580
Question. So the board made the decision of who the chair

1238
01:10:40,170 --> 01:10:41,789
should be the chair of the

1239
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:44,550
Land Bank, the Brownstown?

1240
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:45,600
Yes.

1241
01:10:45,691 --> 01:10:49,231
Okay. That's all. Any other discussion?

1242
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:55,140
Okay, hearing and seeing none, I will call the question. Ms. Moore?

1243
01:10:55,441 --> 01:10:55,635
Yes.

1244
01:10:55,784 --> 01:10:56,430
Mr. Lafferty?

1245
01:10:56,610 --> 01:10:56,880
Yes.

1246
01:10:58,530 --> 01:11:00,284
Ms. McGee? Yes. Mr. Noonan?

1247
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:01,139
Yes.

1248
01:11:01,290 --> 01:11:03,090
Mr. Boyke? Yes. Mr. Dwyer?

1249
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:03,540
Yes.

1250
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:07,124
Rogan, I see as yes. Motion carries. Next item.

1251
01:11:07,124 --> 01:11:11,370
Next item is 13A, request to approve Vince Berti to the Planning Commission with

1252
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:16,350
the term expiration of June 30th, 2027. So moved.

1253
01:11:18,030 --> 01:11:19,499
Support Lafferty. Discussion.

1254
01:11:19,981 --> 01:11:21,060
Discussion, Mr. Lafferty.

1255
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:26,430
Given my comments under 12D,

1256
01:11:27,870 --> 01:11:33,420
that we don't know what seat this is being appointed to, whether or not it's

1257
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:40,380
vacant or being vacated, I'm going to make a motion to table to the next meeting,

1258
01:11:41,820 --> 01:11:42,691
September

1259
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:44,400
8th.

1260
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:46,981
Support.

1261
01:11:50,191 --> 01:11:51,600
I think the next meeting's the 15th.

1262
01:11:53,820 --> 01:11:56,145
I think it's the 8th, isn't it?

1263
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:56,701
I just checked.

1264
01:11:56,715 --> 01:11:57,390
It's the second Tuesday.

1265
01:11:57,691 --> 01:11:58,215
I know. I just checked-

1266
01:11:58,231 --> 01:11:58,560
Or is it-

1267
01:11:58,755 --> 01:12:00,210
... yesterday. It's the 15th.

1268
01:12:00,510 --> 01:12:00,930
Could be.

1269
01:12:01,470 --> 01:12:03,675
Can be. Labor Day.

1270
01:12:03,675 --> 01:12:04,365
Labor Day falls on the

1271
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:06,120
28th?

1272
01:12:06,180 --> 01:12:06,990
Yeah, it's the 15th.

1273
01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:07,680
Oh, okay.

1274
01:12:07,740 --> 01:12:08,295
We have Labor Day.

1275
01:12:08,295 --> 01:12:14,130
Labor Day weekend. Okay. I will revise my motion to table to September 15th.

1276
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:20,520
Ms. Moore, I can't talk on a tabling motion. Ms. Moore, are you supported?

1277
01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:20,910
Yes.

1278
01:12:21,540 --> 01:12:25,650
I will call the question. This is a motion to table. Mr. Lafferty?

1279
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:26,370
Yes to table.

1280
01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:27,420
Ms. Moore?

1281
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:27,720
Yes.

1282
01:12:28,530 --> 01:12:30,960
Ms. McGee? Yes. Mr. Noonan?

1283
01:12:31,260 --> 01:12:31,470
Yes.

1284
01:12:32,130 --> 01:12:34,260
Mr. Boyke? Yes. Mr. Dwyer?

1285
01:12:34,620 --> 01:12:35,340
Yes to table.

1286
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,410
Rogan, I see as yes.

1287
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:39,330
Next item.

1288
01:12:39,420 --> 01:12:43,215
Next item is 13B, request of the Police Department to approve a one-time grant for

1289
01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:46,245
the Emergency Dispatch Center in the amount of $900,000.

1290
01:12:46,650 --> 01:12:50,220
Consideration and adoption of a resolution. So moved.

1291
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,060
Support Dwyer.

1292
01:12:52,951 --> 01:12:58,155
Any discussion? Hearing and seeing none, I'll call the question. Ms. Moore?

1293
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:58,515
Yes.

1294
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:59,191
Mr. Dwyer?

1295
01:12:59,550 --> 01:12:59,745
Yes.

1296
01:12:59,835 --> 01:13:00,451
Mr. Lafferty?

1297
01:13:00,630 --> 01:13:00,840
Yes.

1298
01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:03,316
Ms. McGee? Yes. Mr. Noonan?

1299
01:13:04,231 --> 01:13:04,470
Yes.

1300
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:09,435
Mr. Boyke? Yes. Rogan, I see as yes. Motion carries.

1301
01:13:09,735 --> 01:13:10,740
Next item.

1302
01:13:10,860 --> 01:13:15,240
Next item is audience participation for general items.

1303
01:13:15,870 --> 01:13:20,595
I see there's a couple new folks in the audience, so just we'll give everyone a

1304
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:24,330
heads up. This is for general items only. You have three minutes.

1305
01:13:24,540 --> 01:13:26,520
I will give you a one-minute countdown.

1306
01:13:26,610 --> 01:13:31,050
If you're holding an audience forum, now is the last call to get them in.

1307
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,050
You can put them in the basket. Ms. Camp will grab them.

1308
01:13:40,626 --> 01:13:42,636
Sure, if you'd like to speak during general. Yeah.

1309
01:13:42,726 --> 01:13:43,566
Thank you.

1310
01:13:45,276 --> 01:13:45,786
Yep.

1311
01:13:49,147 --> 01:13:52,266
I think that is my-- Yeah, all the things I need to say.

1312
01:13:52,326 --> 01:13:57,486
Okay, first up is Lori Harris. After Lori Harris is Vanita

1313
01:13:57,576 --> 01:13:59,706
Palmer.

1314
01:14:06,576 --> 01:14:07,596
I have a couple

1315
01:14:09,516 --> 01:14:10,686
comments to make.

1316
01:14:12,397 --> 01:14:16,731
Readily achievable is a phrase used for ADA.

1317
01:14:17,856 --> 01:14:22,866
So when Karen Brody said they have two years to make the parking spaces ADA

1318
01:14:22,926 --> 01:14:28,522
compliant, that's wrong. Readily achievable means easily accomplishable and able to

1319
01:14:28,536 --> 01:14:31,656
be carried out without much difficulty or expense.

1320
01:14:33,036 --> 01:14:37,686
To explain readily achievable in the simplest terms, businesses must comply with

1321
01:14:37,716 --> 01:14:40,147
the ADA if they have the resources to do so.

1322
01:14:40,686 --> 01:14:46,536
So I think it's really not fair if you've had it in writing for two

1323
01:14:46,596 --> 01:14:52,386
years at least that those spots needed to be adjusted, that that is something they

1324
01:14:52,416 --> 01:14:57,186
could do to be in compliance. So that's a little education.

1325
01:14:57,561 --> 01:14:58,266
I also

1326
01:15:00,336 --> 01:15:05,886
wanted to talk about the use of the atrium, and I plan on

1327
01:15:05,946 --> 01:15:11,840
filing more FOIAs because I'd love to know what the different

1328
01:15:11,946 --> 01:15:17,016
groups have been charged. Not just the atrium, also outside.

1329
01:15:17,436 --> 01:15:22,851
Because I understand that there's going to be three days of a group coming

1330
01:15:22,956 --> 01:15:28,716
in, September 12th, for school supplies and vendors and things like

1331
01:15:28,776 --> 01:15:34,686
that. So that's a lot of time in front of City Hall, and

1332
01:15:34,716 --> 01:15:37,296
I'd like to know how this is being handled.

1333
01:15:39,366 --> 01:15:45,096
And just as an off-the-wall kind of topic, wouldn't it be great if we had a

1334
01:15:45,126 --> 01:15:49,986
choir in Warren? It would be so lovely if we could have a choir.

1335
01:15:50,706 --> 01:15:52,386
So if anybody's interested,

1336
01:15:54,397 --> 01:15:59,241
I would love to sing. We could get a lot of people together from all different

1337
01:15:59,286 --> 01:16:02,946
walks of life and have a choir. Thanks.

1338
01:16:03,066 --> 01:16:03,576
Thank you.

1339
01:16:07,686 --> 01:16:13,206
Next is Vanita Palmer. After Vanita Palmer is Edwin

1340
01:16:13,266 --> 01:16:14,991
Worley. Three minutes, ma'am.

1341
01:16:15,426 --> 01:16:16,221
Thank you so much.

1342
01:16:17,496 --> 01:16:23,076
Board, members of the city of Warren, and guests, I just wanted to take today's

1343
01:16:23,106 --> 01:16:28,971
three minutes to say a great deal of thank you to you as a board and

1344
01:16:29,046 --> 01:16:32,736
to Mr. Lafferty and to Mr. Schroeder. I'm glad to see, Mr.

1345
01:16:32,796 --> 01:16:37,086
Schroeder, that you have a resolution in the works for your blight issue.

1346
01:16:37,986 --> 01:16:43,731
My current issue at the 14155 address on Eldert Street is still a work in progress,

1347
01:16:44,496 --> 01:16:48,682
but on that note, it is still a work in progress. Today's conversation with Mr.

1348
01:16:50,436 --> 01:16:56,000
Mozzarelli and with Mr. Campbell was quite successful at this

1349
01:16:56,046 --> 01:16:59,557
point, being that I had the conversation with Mr.

1350
01:16:59,796 --> 01:17:01,926
Campbell and explained my seven-year itch.

1351
01:17:02,106 --> 01:17:06,666
At least I got part of it out until I let him know that I was the porcelain

1352
01:17:06,696 --> 01:17:08,736
princess who had the toilet

1353
01:17:10,596 --> 01:17:15,876
that I had to put on my sidepro-- "Oh, you're that lady." I said, "Oh, Mr.

1354
01:17:16,057 --> 01:17:17,916
Douglas, now you know me after seven years.

1355
01:17:18,006 --> 01:17:19,371
Thank you for your attention."

1356
01:17:21,096 --> 01:17:23,541
So I got four years of my blight complaint out to Mr.

1357
01:17:24,006 --> 01:17:24,366
Campbell

1358
01:17:25,986 --> 01:17:30,186
out of the seven years I've been fighting my battle for this blight issue with my

1359
01:17:30,216 --> 01:17:30,606
neighbor.

1360
01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:36,516
I said, "It's a shame that she makes a fool out of you, and she makes a fool out of

1361
01:17:36,546 --> 01:17:41,031
me, and she's making a fool out of the city every time she comes in here and tells

1362
01:17:41,046 --> 01:17:45,650
you how her neck hurts and how she's handicapped." And I have video after video

1363
01:17:45,696 --> 01:17:51,666
after video, picture after picture, 748 to this day in seven years, that I

1364
01:17:51,696 --> 01:17:54,876
can prove that this woman is making a fool out of all of us.

1365
01:17:56,586 --> 01:18:01,656
Mr. Campbell has requested out of me, and I promised him that my porcelain princess

1366
01:18:02,136 --> 01:18:08,061
toilet bowl for my kind neighbor would be moved upon the issues of

1367
01:18:08,106 --> 01:18:09,906
her cleaning her area-

1368
01:18:09,996 --> 01:18:11,286
One minute

1369
01:18:11,301 --> 01:18:16,595
... would be dealt with at any given. He asked for a 48-hour notice.

1370
01:18:16,656 --> 01:18:19,160
My second thing is, is I want to thank you, Mr.

1371
01:18:19,416 --> 01:18:23,660
Lafferty, for taking the time out last week to have five, 10 minutes with me out in

1372
01:18:23,676 --> 01:18:27,426
the lobby to explain a few of the processes in the city. Mr.

1373
01:18:27,486 --> 01:18:33,410
Mozzarelli, I want to thank you for moving the earth for me to get this

1374
01:18:33,426 --> 01:18:36,276
seven-year itch somewhat resolved.

1375
01:18:36,307 --> 01:18:39,006
And with that said, in my last of my three minutes,

1376
01:18:40,897 --> 01:18:46,807
this out of seven years, Mr. Mozzarelli, was the first time I actually read

1377
01:18:46,866 --> 01:18:49,326
my insert in my letter.

1378
01:18:50,286 --> 01:18:50,631
Thank you.

1379
01:18:50,631 --> 01:18:52,011
Thank you for your time.

1380
01:18:52,057 --> 01:18:55,746
Next up is Edwin Worley. After Edwin is Pamela Rogers.

1381
01:18:58,506 --> 01:19:03,876
Yeah, last time I had a problem, I was up here about the senior housing.

1382
01:19:04,416 --> 01:19:07,656
I was fraudulently accused of something.

1383
01:19:07,746 --> 01:19:13,416
I challenged you all to come down to the housing commission meeting, if y'all

1384
01:19:13,506 --> 01:19:13,971
remember.

1385
01:19:15,397 --> 01:19:18,456
He promptly canceled it. How convenient.

1386
01:19:19,807 --> 01:19:24,456
Who is our representative, our district representative?

1387
01:19:24,516 --> 01:19:27,876
Will you identify yourself? I live at the-- Okay.

1388
01:19:28,476 --> 01:19:33,996
I'd like you to be present at every single housing commission, and I'd like you to

1389
01:19:34,026 --> 01:19:39,576
put pressure on him to stop canceling because this is not the first time. Okay?

1390
01:19:41,496 --> 01:19:43,506
My other question is, how come

1391
01:19:45,036 --> 01:19:45,816
Stellantis

1392
01:19:47,946 --> 01:19:52,536
is getting a tax abatement? They didn't live up to their agreement.

1393
01:19:52,551 --> 01:19:54,307
They were supposed to create jobs.

1394
01:19:55,746 --> 01:19:57,996
They eliminated 1,000 jobs.

1395
01:19:59,406 --> 01:20:03,366
Can somebody explain how they got away with that?

1396
01:20:04,956 --> 01:20:06,546
I'd really like to know that.

1397
01:20:09,426 --> 01:20:13,026
It's not a two-way conversation during this. You have three minutes to speak.

1398
01:20:13,116 --> 01:20:15,231
Okay. Can you address it next time

1399
01:20:16,506 --> 01:20:17,016
I come in?

1400
01:20:18,576 --> 01:20:19,926
No, you still have three minutes.

1401
01:20:19,986 --> 01:20:24,636
Well, you voted for it. You're the only one on this council member that voted for

1402
01:20:24,666 --> 01:20:24,696
it,

1403
01:20:26,046 --> 01:20:26,557
aren't you?

1404
01:20:27,576 --> 01:20:27,636
I-

1405
01:20:27,846 --> 01:20:28,566
Am I correct?

1406
01:20:28,656 --> 01:20:29,316
Sir, you-

1407
01:20:29,376 --> 01:20:30,186
Am I correct?

1408
01:20:30,786 --> 01:20:32,811
I have no idea what you're talking about. You have three minutes.

1409
01:20:32,811 --> 01:20:36,276
You're ignoring my questions. I'm asking you a question, you're ignoring my

1410
01:20:36,336 --> 01:20:40,626
question. So you're ignoring the citizens that have the questions and want

1411
01:20:40,746 --> 01:20:45,906
explanations when you're supposed to be serving us and explaining stuff to us.

1412
01:20:48,156 --> 01:20:49,686
That don't sound right to me.

1413
01:20:51,096 --> 01:20:56,706
You say you can ban a topless bar, but you can't ban a data center.

1414
01:20:57,546 --> 01:21:02,315
Well, if the citizen want it banned, it should be banned, right?

1415
01:21:02,557 --> 01:21:03,726
One minute, sir.

1416
01:21:05,106 --> 01:21:06,756
But nobody's going to respond.

1417
01:21:08,466 --> 01:21:14,166
Do you have any office hours? Can I talk to you after the-- I want to

1418
01:21:14,376 --> 01:21:17,256
talk to you out in the hallway because you do represent me,

1419
01:21:18,696 --> 01:21:21,186
and you should be working for our best interest.

1420
01:21:22,566 --> 01:21:28,236
And sometimes I don't know how giving somebody a $12 million tax

1421
01:21:28,266 --> 01:21:33,456
abatement, and when they renege on their promises, is working in our best

1422
01:21:33,546 --> 01:21:35,016
interest.

1423
01:21:36,636 --> 01:21:37,746
I'd like that explained.

1424
01:21:40,356 --> 01:21:42,906
Thank you. Next is Pamela Rogers.

1425
01:21:46,596 --> 01:21:48,726
You have three minutes. Mm-hmm.

1426
01:21:51,876 --> 01:21:57,531
I'm here to bring to the attention the city council that I live over at

1427
01:21:57,576 --> 01:22:02,647
Continental Community Homes. I don't know who runs this company.

1428
01:22:02,706 --> 01:22:06,486
I don't know who I'm paying my rent to. I don't even know what's happening.

1429
01:22:06,546 --> 01:22:11,226
All I know is we had a couple of workers that come in there, and they destroyed

1430
01:22:11,286 --> 01:22:15,336
most of the abandoned houses. We have trees falling down.

1431
01:22:15,846 --> 01:22:21,726
We have the skirts being removed. We even got a bogus letter

1432
01:22:21,786 --> 01:22:26,946
telling us that Hanover Management was supposed to be coming in and start taking

1433
01:22:27,006 --> 01:22:32,961
payments from us. Then we get a text message from Shapiro stating

1434
01:22:33,036 --> 01:22:33,351
that

1435
01:22:35,106 --> 01:22:39,246
we should send our rent the regular way we've been paying, which is online.

1436
01:22:39,336 --> 01:22:43,536
We never see anybody. Nobody's the manager at the office.

1437
01:22:43,596 --> 01:22:48,846
Nobody comes out. They're destroying the roadways.

1438
01:22:48,876 --> 01:22:51,936
Whatever these crates are that they came in to do

1439
01:22:53,334 --> 01:22:58,943
... scrapping for metal. They destroyed the driveways. There's glass everywhere.

1440
01:22:59,484 --> 01:23:05,349
Now, we still have maybe five to seven residents there. I own my home.

1441
01:23:06,024 --> 01:23:11,949
My cousin owns her home. It's maybe two renters there, but this property is looking

1442
01:23:11,995 --> 01:23:15,894
so scary, we got people coming off of 8 Mile coming scrapping.

1443
01:23:15,954 --> 01:23:21,160
We don't even know who they are. We just feel like something has to be done where

1444
01:23:21,174 --> 01:23:26,259
we don't feel endangered. Because at this point, I pull out my car, I don't know if

1445
01:23:26,304 --> 01:23:31,044
I'm going to have flat tires. Somebody done broke into the house two houses down

1446
01:23:31,404 --> 01:23:35,995
where it's wide open. Whatever they're getting out of them, they're getting it.

1447
01:23:36,564 --> 01:23:40,854
We haven't seen the workers in three weeks.

1448
01:23:41,785 --> 01:23:46,914
Our garbage day has changed until Monday, when it was regularly Tuesday.

1449
01:23:46,944 --> 01:23:48,834
We didn't get a notification of that either.

1450
01:23:49,524 --> 01:23:53,739
Now, I'm not for sure how that works, but when they're tearing down these trailers,

1451
01:23:54,234 --> 01:23:58,734
and one spring a leak and water spraying all over the place, we don't know if that

1452
01:23:58,794 --> 01:24:00,984
affects our water bill or anything.

1453
01:24:01,554 --> 01:24:05,274
All I know is we just want something to be told to us, because

1454
01:24:06,654 --> 01:24:11,169
we were trying to see if they were going to offer us something for our homes, but

1455
01:24:11,184 --> 01:24:15,654
we can even just relocate. Because right now, my grandkids don't even want to

1456
01:24:15,684 --> 01:24:19,870
visit. It looks just that scary. And because it's off of 8 Mile-

1457
01:24:20,004 --> 01:24:20,634
30 seconds

1458
01:24:21,024 --> 01:24:25,254
... by the Suez Motel, it's pretty scary. Thank you.

1459
01:24:25,495 --> 01:24:29,483
Thank you. Next is Anthony Jordan.

1460
01:24:35,035 --> 01:24:37,074
And after Mr. Jordan is Mr. Cliff.

1461
01:24:45,354 --> 01:24:46,674
Go ahead. You have three minutes.

1462
01:24:47,874 --> 01:24:51,894
Okay. As a resident of the Continental Community Housing,

1463
01:24:53,214 --> 01:24:57,414
I have several complaints. She touched on some. I will touch on others.

1464
01:24:58,224 --> 01:25:00,234
The lighting is nonexistent.

1465
01:25:00,564 --> 01:25:01,074
Thank you.

1466
01:25:01,404 --> 01:25:01,674
Yeah.

1467
01:25:03,924 --> 01:25:07,794
Not only is it dark, it's scary with all those abandoned trailers and

1468
01:25:10,134 --> 01:25:14,664
vacant lots. It looks like you don't want to be caught there after dark.

1469
01:25:15,084 --> 01:25:20,919
You really don't. But my main concern is about what form of compensation will they

1470
01:25:20,995 --> 01:25:25,704
receive when they move? They're literally being forced out.

1471
01:25:26,454 --> 01:25:29,274
They own their mobile homes.

1472
01:25:32,574 --> 01:25:37,285
Will they cover the cost of moving, is one thing in particular, because it's

1473
01:25:37,434 --> 01:25:41,214
expensive to move. Will they help with the relocation?

1474
01:25:41,394 --> 01:25:45,535
Because not everybody accepts people with,

1475
01:25:48,714 --> 01:25:51,834
how can I put it, less than adequate credit or

1476
01:25:53,574 --> 01:25:55,974
income. I hope I phrased that right.

1477
01:25:56,934 --> 01:26:02,785
Will they find a new residency for them? Because it's limited based on your income.

1478
01:26:03,354 --> 01:26:05,574
It's hard to find someplace that you can afford.

1479
01:26:06,924 --> 01:26:10,524
Will they cover first month's rent and security deposit?

1480
01:26:10,554 --> 01:26:12,294
Because they own these homes.

1481
01:26:13,794 --> 01:26:18,624
To leave your home and go try to find an apartment is difficult,

1482
01:26:19,824 --> 01:26:20,424
and I hope that

1483
01:26:21,924 --> 01:26:27,745
they will adequately compensate these people, because this are their

1484
01:26:27,774 --> 01:26:33,054
homes. They live there, and now they're being forced out and

1485
01:26:33,924 --> 01:26:34,854
don't know where to go.

1486
01:26:36,834 --> 01:26:39,624
They're going to turn them into homeless individuals.

1487
01:26:40,134 --> 01:26:45,504
What will the compensation be? It's scary. It's scary. What's going to happen?

1488
01:26:45,564 --> 01:26:48,294
You don't know. You're living in limbo.

1489
01:26:49,344 --> 01:26:51,084
Okay, I'm going to make it even shorter than that.

1490
01:26:52,495 --> 01:26:57,024
I just want something done. We need to know what's going to happen.

1491
01:26:57,609 --> 01:27:01,614
Right now, nothing is being said, nothing is being done.

1492
01:27:01,629 --> 01:27:05,904
People have to move and don't know when they're going to be forced to move or how

1493
01:27:05,934 --> 01:27:10,614
they're going to move. It is scary. And then the residence is scary.

1494
01:27:10,674 --> 01:27:15,039
There's no lighting. I already touched on that, and I'm not going to waste any more

1495
01:27:15,054 --> 01:27:19,884
of your time. Something needs to be done quick, fast, and in a hurry.

1496
01:27:19,974 --> 01:27:20,844
People need to know.

1497
01:27:21,714 --> 01:27:21,939
Thank you.

1498
01:27:21,954 --> 01:27:23,154
Thank you.

1499
01:27:23,245 --> 01:27:25,044
Next is William Cliff.

1500
01:27:30,444 --> 01:27:35,139
First, I want to say thank you, and I want to congratulate my colleague, Gary, and

1501
01:27:35,184 --> 01:27:38,334
Mr. Lindsey for their reappointments on the Zoning Board of Appeals.

1502
01:27:39,714 --> 01:27:43,014
I don't know if you guys know, but I serve as vice chair on that body, assistant

1503
01:27:43,044 --> 01:27:45,324
secretary the term before.

1504
01:27:48,354 --> 01:27:53,109
We've seen a lot of improvement and a lot of change on that board in the time that

1505
01:27:53,245 --> 01:27:57,444
I've been there, since my first term of appointment.

1506
01:27:59,694 --> 01:28:02,754
Members are asking questions. We're calling people to task.

1507
01:28:02,904 --> 01:28:07,854
We're demanding explanations. Sometimes admittedly, we may go a little overboard

1508
01:28:07,884 --> 01:28:10,974
and veer into the lane that we don't really belong in.

1509
01:28:11,064 --> 01:28:16,299
But I want you guys to understand wholeheartedly that we do that because of our

1510
01:28:16,464 --> 01:28:18,864
care and commitment to the city of Warren.

1511
01:28:20,814 --> 01:28:24,444
For too long, that body and that entity was just a rubber stamp, and anybody did

1512
01:28:24,474 --> 01:28:29,785
whatever they wanted to do. You hardly heard a no come out of anybody there.

1513
01:28:29,874 --> 01:28:35,664
And with some of our more recent training, and it's up to us to train ourselves

1514
01:28:35,694 --> 01:28:41,664
in most facets. I'd like to see more training tossed our way, maybe set

1515
01:28:41,754 --> 01:28:46,689
up or put together by the city. A little more interaction between some of the

1516
01:28:46,704 --> 01:28:51,384
bodies, some of the other commissions relevant to what it is that we're doing.

1517
01:28:52,974 --> 01:28:58,269
And even working a little closer with you so we can understand where we're at and

1518
01:28:58,314 --> 01:29:02,304
where we're going. And instead of standing at a podium and making a plea or having

1519
01:29:02,334 --> 01:29:08,154
to talk into a microphone at that meeting, that some good, solid, intelligent,

1520
01:29:08,245 --> 01:29:13,164
concise ideas can be brought forward for consideration.

1521
01:29:13,224 --> 01:29:18,144
Our ordinances are horribly archaic. Horribly archaic.

1522
01:29:18,234 --> 01:29:23,664
And I heard tonight several things happening on that front, and I'm pleased to hear

1523
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:29,484
that. Bylaws. These council and commission expiration

1524
01:29:29,634 --> 01:29:33,654
fiasco. I got a phone call a couple of years ago wanting to know-

1525
01:29:33,774 --> 01:29:34,118
One minute

1526
01:29:34,734 --> 01:29:38,799
... when was my term up because the people in the main office,

1527
01:29:40,914 --> 01:29:45,114
City Hall, had no clue or no idea. They said they weren't privy to that information

1528
01:29:45,204 --> 01:29:47,874
by the outgoing administration. It's horrible.

1529
01:29:48,504 --> 01:29:52,285
Chairman, vice chairman, take care of your people. Look things up. Make notes.

1530
01:29:52,314 --> 01:29:55,974
Put it in a book so that we're not confused, and we're not scrambling at the end of

1531
01:29:56,004 --> 01:30:00,594
the day at the last minute to either submit or apply for reappointments.

1532
01:30:00,804 --> 01:30:04,824
Or so we can make the conscious decision to leave if we need to leave to make room

1533
01:30:04,854 --> 01:30:06,504
for somebody else, so that you guys-

1534
01:30:06,654 --> 01:30:06,669
30 seconds

1535
01:30:06,669 --> 01:30:11,289
... have enough reaction time to find appointees to appoint into those positions.

1536
01:30:11,814 --> 01:30:13,464
That's all I have to say. Thank you very much.

1537
01:30:13,495 --> 01:30:19,074
Thank you. Next is Zachary Matt, I believe.

1538
01:30:19,104 --> 01:30:21,204
And then after Zachary is Gloria Sanker.

1539
01:30:22,944 --> 01:30:23,544
Three minutes, sir.

1540
01:30:23,814 --> 01:30:26,874
Good evening, everybody. My name is Zachary.

1541
01:30:26,934 --> 01:30:30,624
I'm a 27-year-old male living in the Warren Woods area.

1542
01:30:30,745 --> 01:30:34,224
First, I would like to address Melody McGee, Angela, and Henry.

1543
01:30:34,254 --> 01:30:38,469
I really appreciate you guys being on the forward front of the city community and

1544
01:30:38,514 --> 01:30:40,644
understanding what our desires are.

1545
01:30:40,674 --> 01:30:44,785
I'm actually here to speak on the same thing that a lot of people here are talking

1546
01:30:44,874 --> 01:30:49,314
about. Just the lack of inactive ability from you guys as a council.

1547
01:30:50,124 --> 01:30:54,535
Mindy Moore, Gary Vioque, David Bauer, and Jonathan, unfortunately, you guys made

1548
01:30:54,564 --> 01:30:58,929
the decision to continue with the Walk Safety program, that most Michiganders,

1549
01:30:59,004 --> 01:31:01,524
including the citizens of Warren, do not want.

1550
01:31:02,049 --> 01:31:06,834
The $132,000 that you guys had put forward for the two-year contract could be put

1551
01:31:06,864 --> 01:31:12,624
forward towards things like lights or city roads, finishing of certain walk

1552
01:31:12,864 --> 01:31:18,174
safety effects that have been passed already, different fundamental logistics and

1553
01:31:18,264 --> 01:31:23,574
infrastructure that could be used in Warren, or updated bus seats, or

1554
01:31:23,634 --> 01:31:27,473
locations that don't have access to the routes that are needed for some of our

1555
01:31:27,504 --> 01:31:33,294
citizens to get around. It just though continues to be a front for the

1556
01:31:33,384 --> 01:31:38,604
most part. I don't see a face on here that truly I feel represents the general

1557
01:31:38,634 --> 01:31:44,304
demographic of Warren, nor understands the actual strife that Warren is

1558
01:31:44,364 --> 01:31:46,824
facing in the day-to-day and the affordability crisis.

1559
01:31:47,364 --> 01:31:52,495
Now, this two-year contract you guys voted on July 14th was quite

1560
01:31:53,544 --> 01:31:58,644
truthfully just a continuation. And I know there was no questions to be asked here,

1561
01:31:58,734 --> 01:32:04,584
but it would be ... feasible to me if someone could answer my question on how to

1562
01:32:04,644 --> 01:32:09,309
add agendas to the docket. I would like to ask, at least in a public forum of, who

1563
01:32:09,414 --> 01:32:11,214
has communicated with Flock personally?

1564
01:32:11,274 --> 01:32:15,324
Who has had meetings on the side, and who has NDAs with Flock at this moment?

1565
01:32:15,984 --> 01:32:18,669
While that might not be public information, and that might be private dealings

1566
01:32:18,684 --> 01:32:23,514
between all of you, that is something that I feel like needs to be included in all

1567
01:32:23,634 --> 01:32:25,884
city council communications, is transparency.

1568
01:32:25,944 --> 01:32:26,304
One minute.

1569
01:32:26,679 --> 01:32:30,294
Thank you. No, I actually don't have any other time, or any other comments or

1570
01:32:30,324 --> 01:32:35,304
concerns about that today, though I will say, Gary Biocchi, I really appreciate you

1571
01:32:35,334 --> 01:32:39,009
being a part of our district because I hope with your actions and decision that

1572
01:32:39,024 --> 01:32:41,995
we'll see a turn in our future for District IV. Thank you.

1573
01:32:42,864 --> 01:32:45,714
Thank you. Next is Gloria Sinker.

1574
01:32:55,884 --> 01:33:00,864
Good evening. Every generation has to protect America.

1575
01:33:01,644 --> 01:33:04,764
We're not perfect, but neither is anybody else.

1576
01:33:05,814 --> 01:33:11,274
Michigan is facing a socialist on the November ballot, and what was never a concern

1577
01:33:12,204 --> 01:33:17,979
is now a festering problem. We are talking about a radical change in the Democratic

1578
01:33:18,084 --> 01:33:23,844
Party since they approved socialists to run in their party.

1579
01:33:24,804 --> 01:33:29,874
Changes include making abortion legal through all nine months of pregnancy,

1580
01:33:30,535 --> 01:33:36,504
allowing men in women's sports and locker rooms, allows sanctuary cities to

1581
01:33:36,535 --> 01:33:41,964
protect convicted criminals, gay rights are more important than national prayer,

1582
01:33:43,254 --> 01:33:49,194
not necessary to show identification for voting, and reopen our borders to

1583
01:33:49,285 --> 01:33:52,614
illegal immigrants, many who are criminals.

1584
01:33:53,394 --> 01:33:57,174
They want to end police protection and close jails.

1585
01:33:57,594 --> 01:34:02,964
This is a slate of beliefs for the new socialist Democratic Party.

1586
01:34:03,594 --> 01:34:09,354
The Bible says, "If you have ears, you ought to hear." The Democratic Party has

1587
01:34:09,414 --> 01:34:14,754
left common sense out in their radical beliefs.

1588
01:34:15,624 --> 01:34:21,084
Don't cling to something that no longer represents your beliefs.

1589
01:34:21,099 --> 01:34:26,124
This November election is probably one of the most important because it could, one,

1590
01:34:26,785 --> 01:34:30,804
change how you live, and two, what protections you have.

1591
01:34:31,464 --> 01:34:36,894
Socialism is alive on the voting ballot for the office of United States senator.

1592
01:34:37,524 --> 01:34:40,044
A US senator makes and shapes laws.

1593
01:34:40,824 --> 01:34:45,624
In other words, they have power to make changes in your lifestyle.

1594
01:34:46,344 --> 01:34:52,254
We just celebrated 250 years of freedom, but socialism can change all that.

1595
01:34:52,944 --> 01:34:58,914
When good people don't vote, socialism can happen, and the American dream,

1596
01:34:59,814 --> 01:34:59,964
no more.

1597
01:34:59,995 --> 01:35:00,564
One minute.

1598
01:35:01,524 --> 01:35:01,974
Thank you.

1599
01:35:02,424 --> 01:35:06,804
Thank you. That is the end of audience. Next item.

1600
01:35:06,864 --> 01:35:08,184
Council response to audience.

1601
01:35:09,474 --> 01:35:09,894
Madam Chair.

1602
01:35:10,029 --> 01:35:10,584
Mr. Lafferty.

1603
01:35:11,184 --> 01:35:16,673
I have a response to the

1604
01:35:16,764 --> 01:35:17,484
individuals,

1605
01:35:18,774 --> 01:35:23,259
I believe, Ms. McGee, in your district, in the continental,

1606
01:35:24,474 --> 01:35:26,394
through the chair to Mr. Wirth.

1607
01:35:37,584 --> 01:35:38,394
Yes, sir.

1608
01:35:38,874 --> 01:35:44,184
Thank you. I remember the developer came to us.

1609
01:35:44,304 --> 01:35:46,794
We had to rezone that property behind Suez Motel.

1610
01:35:47,785 --> 01:35:50,139
And during the planning commission meeting,

1611
01:35:51,399 --> 01:35:55,464
the petitioners should have had a communication plan

1612
01:35:57,504 --> 01:36:02,768
with all of the residents that would've been affected or displaced by

1613
01:36:03,714 --> 01:36:08,184
that. Apparently, that has not taken place.

1614
01:36:08,874 --> 01:36:09,894
And I know that it's

1615
01:36:11,184 --> 01:36:12,219
not necessarily

1616
01:36:14,634 --> 01:36:20,559
under whose authority would it fall as responsibility to ensure that those

1617
01:36:22,224 --> 01:36:26,664
conditions of their planning commission, their site plan approval, that those are

1618
01:36:26,694 --> 01:36:30,535
taking place? I don't know if that's through the city attorney's office, through

1619
01:36:30,594 --> 01:36:31,404
your office.

1620
01:36:32,574 --> 01:36:32,724
Well,

1621
01:36:34,824 --> 01:36:36,294
I'm going to respond here. They

1622
01:36:37,704 --> 01:36:41,874
received a general standard rezoning-

1623
01:36:42,264 --> 01:36:42,504
Mm-hmm

1624
01:36:43,014 --> 01:36:48,459
... with a concept plan that indicated what might be developed there,

1625
01:36:50,364 --> 01:36:54,924
and that's what you get with a standard rezoning. Might be.

1626
01:36:56,004 --> 01:37:01,794
At this point, they also talked about when they get ready to do that, that's when

1627
01:37:01,854 --> 01:37:04,704
they take care of displacement.

1628
01:37:04,794 --> 01:37:05,035
Mm-hmm.

1629
01:37:05,484 --> 01:37:07,734
But remember, there was no agreement-

1630
01:37:07,974 --> 01:37:08,169
Mm-hmm

1631
01:37:09,834 --> 01:37:10,464
... at all.

1632
01:37:11,964 --> 01:37:14,934
No site plan approval was ever brought forth.

1633
01:37:16,104 --> 01:37:21,894
So we have a rezoning, we have land that's rezoned, but we don't have

1634
01:37:22,224 --> 01:37:27,474
any plans from anyone. We don't hear from Shapiro.

1635
01:37:28,285 --> 01:37:31,794
I've had talks with the councilwoman there.

1636
01:37:33,834 --> 01:37:35,964
Nothing from those people.

1637
01:37:37,374 --> 01:37:43,074
And what I indicated to the councilwoman was that I was going

1638
01:37:43,104 --> 01:37:46,524
to research the file and see

1639
01:37:46,974 --> 01:37:52,839
if there's any kind of timing involved that we can

1640
01:37:52,884 --> 01:37:53,454
work with.

1641
01:37:54,654 --> 01:38:00,429
I actually don't think there is, but I'll look at it real close and go forward with

1642
01:38:00,504 --> 01:38:01,344
that.

1643
01:38:03,624 --> 01:38:05,274
Everything that I've been told

1644
01:38:07,044 --> 01:38:12,984
is literally horrifying in my estimation. I haven't been there.

1645
01:38:13,134 --> 01:38:18,864
I don't want to go there with an inch of glass that's on the ground

1646
01:38:18,924 --> 01:38:24,894
because my tires won't take it. I guess I'd have to walk through, and maybe I'll

1647
01:38:24,924 --> 01:38:29,245
do that with some of my staff. I'm not sure yet. We'll find out.

1648
01:38:31,764 --> 01:38:32,664
I know that

1649
01:38:34,854 --> 01:38:39,849
David back there is well aware of this problem also, and

1650
01:38:40,974 --> 01:38:46,148
we're all being on notice, so to speak, to do

1651
01:38:46,194 --> 01:38:49,314
something. But I wish there was more I could tell you.

1652
01:38:50,214 --> 01:38:51,054
If that had been a

1653
01:38:52,464 --> 01:38:54,024
rezoning with conditions,

1654
01:38:55,974 --> 01:38:59,785
then you get more, and you could hold them to an agreement.

1655
01:39:00,024 --> 01:39:05,245
You could hold them to timing. You can hold them to all sorts of things.

1656
01:39:06,984 --> 01:39:10,014
And that works out quite well.

1657
01:39:10,074 --> 01:39:10,179
Mm-hmm.

1658
01:39:12,684 --> 01:39:14,304
Thank you.

1659
01:39:15,864 --> 01:39:16,689
And just

1660
01:39:19,134 --> 01:39:22,164
a little tip here. We will

1661
01:39:23,874 --> 01:39:25,644
bring to the city,

1662
01:39:26,844 --> 01:39:30,324
to the council, a reversion of one of those

1663
01:39:31,704 --> 01:39:33,039
conditional rezonings,

1664
01:39:34,614 --> 01:39:36,894
probably in the next month or so

1665
01:39:40,285 --> 01:39:42,654
because things weren't done.

1666
01:39:43,134 --> 01:39:43,299
Mm-hmm.

1667
01:39:43,584 --> 01:39:48,894
They didn't meet the agreement, and they've also notified us, this particular one,

1668
01:39:48,984 --> 01:39:50,964
I'm not going to go any farther with who,

1669
01:39:52,914 --> 01:39:56,245
and they've indicated they're not going to do what they said they were going to do.

1670
01:39:57,174 --> 01:39:57,444
All right.

1671
01:39:57,519 --> 01:40:02,949
And so, we'll bring it to you. What that does is change the zone back to the

1672
01:40:02,995 --> 01:40:07,194
original zoning, and we start over with that property.

1673
01:40:07,914 --> 01:40:08,064
Right.

1674
01:40:08,544 --> 01:40:11,004
Here, we didn't get that, unfortunately.

1675
01:40:12,654 --> 01:40:16,584
So, we'll try to work in a different direction.

1676
01:40:17,124 --> 01:40:22,554
All right. Thank you, Mr. Wirth. Madam Chair, you've had probably more experience

1677
01:40:22,614 --> 01:40:22,914
with

1678
01:40:24,624 --> 01:40:29,035
mobile home communities with your experience with the-

1679
01:40:29,874 --> 01:40:30,354
Landmark

1680
01:40:30,414 --> 01:40:30,429
... Landmark.

1681
01:40:30,624 --> 01:40:30,639
Yeah.

1682
01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:30,954
Thank you.

1683
01:40:33,804 --> 01:40:38,604
I know that there are other parties here that can probably assist, but

1684
01:40:38,634 --> 01:40:44,499
I'd like to open some sort of line of discussion here that

1685
01:40:44,544 --> 01:40:50,394
we've got to take action to protect the health and welfare of our citizens.

1686
01:40:50,454 --> 01:40:53,454
Yeah, and Jeff can talk about it, but the only tool that we really have is to

1687
01:40:53,484 --> 01:40:57,819
declare it a nuisance, any of these parks, because the legislation is just not

1688
01:40:57,984 --> 01:40:58,224
there.

1689
01:40:58,374 --> 01:40:58,539
Mm-hmm.

1690
01:40:59,424 --> 01:41:00,549
So that's really the only

1691
01:41:01,974 --> 01:41:04,434
tool that we've really been able to come up with.

1692
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:07,140
Yeah, I totally agree with that,

1693
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:14,400
just because it's a mobile home park, and we know that the city has its

1694
01:41:14,460 --> 01:41:19,260
hands tied by state law on what can be done in mobile homes.

1695
01:41:19,951 --> 01:41:22,365
They have very strong presence in our state government.

1696
01:41:23,250 --> 01:41:28,995
We are currently in litigation right now with a park that doesn't want

1697
01:41:29,010 --> 01:41:33,600
to comply, and we're moving toward a good resolution on that.

1698
01:41:33,870 --> 01:41:38,191
In the meantime, I do think that this could possibly qualify as a public nuisance.

1699
01:41:38,205 --> 01:41:41,535
What I'm hearing here, just because they're a mobile home park, doesn't mean

1700
01:41:41,550 --> 01:41:44,220
they're not creating public nuisance conditions.

1701
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:49,441
But I don't think the council can, based on just some statements tonight, declare a

1702
01:41:49,470 --> 01:41:52,590
public nuisance. I think that if Mr.

1703
01:41:52,860 --> 01:41:57,451
Mazzarelli and all the inspectors that work for him are willing to go and generate

1704
01:41:57,510 --> 01:42:02,820
some reports, and those reports show a public nuisance condition, that council can

1705
01:42:02,850 --> 01:42:05,490
then declare a public nuisance, and a court action can be taken.

1706
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,314
But those reports would have to basically indicate that, and I think Mr.

1707
01:42:09,451 --> 01:42:11,941
Mazzarelli may have something to add to that now. I don't know.

1708
01:42:11,970 --> 01:42:17,490
But I do think that actually council could make a motion tonight

1709
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:22,860
to move in that direction. Not declare it a public nuisance, but move and ask for

1710
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:26,790
those things. You might want to get Mr. Mazzarelli's input on that.

1711
01:42:26,850 --> 01:42:31,080
But I do think it could qualify as-- What I'm hearing here is classic public

1712
01:42:31,140 --> 01:42:31,531
nuisance.

1713
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:32,370
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

1714
01:42:33,045 --> 01:42:35,281
Mr. Mazzarelli said you're working in that direction.

1715
01:42:35,370 --> 01:42:35,850
Yeah, so-

1716
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:36,465
Okay

1717
01:42:37,201 --> 01:42:39,000
... I think we could make that motion if we-

1718
01:42:39,930 --> 01:42:45,720
Madam Chair, I'll make that motion to direct the building department

1719
01:42:45,810 --> 01:42:49,050
public service to create a-

1720
01:42:49,140 --> 01:42:49,500
File.

1721
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:50,040
Yeah.

1722
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:50,490
Support.

1723
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:56,776
And the one thing I did want to mention is, I wonder if the Department of

1724
01:42:56,820 --> 01:43:00,225
Health and Human Services could offer any help to the residents.

1725
01:43:01,725 --> 01:43:04,276
Maybe that's somewhere we could reach out and-

1726
01:43:06,945 --> 01:43:07,035
Have to ask Director.

1727
01:43:07,035 --> 01:43:07,935
Who have you tried through?

1728
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:09,316
Can I speak-

1729
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:09,691
Yeah

1730
01:43:09,705 --> 01:43:10,875
... during this?

1731
01:43:11,730 --> 01:43:14,625
Yeah. Just I want to make sure that she's going to the right people, because maybe

1732
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:18,630
we can help with that. I've got some contacts that maybe I can...

1733
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:19,920
I'll work on that.

1734
01:43:21,211 --> 01:43:22,020
Ms. McGee, go ahead.

1735
01:43:22,590 --> 01:43:28,050
Okay. Of course, as you stated before, Councilman Lafferty, that's

1736
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,320
in my area of the Eighth Ward. I have walked it lately

1737
01:43:33,031 --> 01:43:37,441
with them to make sure, and I've taken photos and submitted those photos to Dave

1738
01:43:37,470 --> 01:43:41,070
Mazzarelli and the rest of them. It is a horrible area.

1739
01:43:41,370 --> 01:43:41,595
Mm-hmm.

1740
01:43:41,790 --> 01:43:46,951
What they're asking for is not just to be compensated, but really

1741
01:43:46,980 --> 01:43:51,901
communicated. There's no proper communication there.

1742
01:43:52,531 --> 01:43:55,410
I was there when they said that they were going to rezone.

1743
01:43:55,711 --> 01:44:00,870
There was a company there. That company stated that out loud they would assist,

1744
01:44:00,961 --> 01:44:06,826
because that was my request. That they would assist with moving expenses if they

1745
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:12,615
decide to move. There were several people moved out of their mobile home thinking

1746
01:44:12,615 --> 01:44:17,805
that something new was coming in, and now we're saying it's not happening more than

1747
01:44:17,850 --> 01:44:23,730
likely. So their whole mobile home location has been torn up,

1748
01:44:24,180 --> 01:44:29,955
including the street. And now they're getting letters from different

1749
01:44:30,031 --> 01:44:34,620
companies saying, "We're in charge. You can partially pay rent now.

1750
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,990
You can do this." They're not understanding.

1751
01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:41,790
There's no communication, there's no meetings. And they want some information.

1752
01:44:41,850 --> 01:44:47,191
They want some feedback. And I had called Dave Mazzarelli.

1753
01:44:47,310 --> 01:44:53,220
He has communicated to both I and Councilman McOoo who

1754
01:44:53,281 --> 01:44:57,961
received calls also, what their steps are moving forward.

1755
01:44:58,110 --> 01:45:02,790
But in the meantime, they're in limbo. They can't leave their homes.

1756
01:45:03,630 --> 01:45:08,326
They're being vandalized. They're breaking in their homes while they're there, and

1757
01:45:08,340 --> 01:45:09,420
they're disabled.

1758
01:45:11,401 --> 01:45:16,800
Human trafficking is going on. I was over, I walked the area.

1759
01:45:17,550 --> 01:45:22,410
I walked through the area, drove through the area. This is a problem.

1760
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,685
So what I heard Mr. Warr say is because it was a standard rezoning, they're not

1761
01:45:26,701 --> 01:45:29,535
bound to do any of those things. The property's been rezoned.

1762
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,100
Now it's a problem of trying to build a file to try to declare a public nuisance.

1763
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:39,826
And unfortunately, with mobile homes, there's virtually nothing we can do,

1764
01:45:39,961 --> 01:45:45,151
unfortunately, beyond declare a nuisance, write them tickets.

1765
01:45:45,660 --> 01:45:48,300
The law just doesn't exist, unfortunately.

1766
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:49,441
So,

1767
01:45:51,151 --> 01:45:55,470
it's a super unfortunate situation, as all of you know, I've been fighting the

1768
01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:56,010
mobile home-

1769
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:56,415
Yeah

1770
01:45:56,490 --> 01:45:58,290
... folks for years at this point.

1771
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:02,580
And it's a very unfortunate situation, so.

1772
01:46:04,830 --> 01:46:05,430
We have a motion?

1773
01:46:05,610 --> 01:46:07,245
Mm-hmm. Sorry. Mr. Warr, you have a motion?

1774
01:46:07,770 --> 01:46:08,174
Yeah.

1775
01:46:08,895 --> 01:46:08,895
Motion to approve.

1776
01:46:08,941 --> 01:46:09,720
Support to-

1777
01:46:09,735 --> 01:46:09,870
Noonan

1778
01:46:10,020 --> 01:46:11,191
... do the groundwork.

1779
01:46:12,510 --> 01:46:13,140
Build a file.

1780
01:46:13,230 --> 01:46:14,026
Yeah.

1781
01:46:14,820 --> 01:46:16,531
I will call the question, Ms. Moore?

1782
01:46:16,711 --> 01:46:16,920
Yes.

1783
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:18,120
Mr. Noonan?

1784
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:18,781
Yes.

1785
01:46:18,810 --> 01:46:19,455
Mr. Lafferty?

1786
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:19,816
Yes.

1787
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:20,490
Ms. McGee?

1788
01:46:20,701 --> 01:46:21,060
Yes.

1789
01:46:21,120 --> 01:46:21,720
Mr. Boyke?

1790
01:46:21,901 --> 01:46:22,260
Yes.

1791
01:46:22,290 --> 01:46:22,890
Mr. Dwyer?

1792
01:46:23,130 --> 01:46:23,790
Yes.

1793
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:28,290
Rogan sees a yes. That item passes. Any other council response?

1794
01:46:31,050 --> 01:46:31,350
Mm-mm.

1795
01:46:33,180 --> 01:46:34,110
Okay, next item.

1796
01:46:34,485 --> 01:46:35,220
Motion to adjourn.

1797
01:46:35,701 --> 01:46:36,451
Support Dwyer.

1798
01:46:36,750 --> 01:46:37,469
All in favor?

1799
01:46:37,620 --> 01:46:37,830
Aye.

1800
01:46:38,594 --> 01:46:38,594
Aye.

1801
01:46:38,610 --> 01:46:38,656
Aye.

1802
01:46:38,656 --> 01:46:40,260
Any opposed? We are adjourned.