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Recording in progress.

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Thank you, everybody.

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Good evening.

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Great.

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Foreign select board meeting, September 8, 2020 six.

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Welcome, long.

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And where I've introduced you to us, Rebecca, I think you know we don't have the SDM and Harry is a free control of our meetings and where I was being introduced this evening.

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Do we have any public comment?

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Hello.

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Was that you, Jim?

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I don't think you're really tall.

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Jim, don't know what was not needed.

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Jim is someone talking on your background or is that elsewhere?

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Oh, thanks, friend.

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Okay, there is not asking for an SRP because somebody does that.

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We're good in public comment, then yeah.

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Identity changes.

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I don't have any.

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Uh, we have Andrew here this evening.

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Please join us.

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We'll, really, face the skeleton briefly.

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John, John is John.

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on. He's taking some classic names lately. Yeah, yeah. The alligator yesterday with Thomas.

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Okay, we had a hank and some galley.

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Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for coming. Of course, thanks for being interested. Thanks for having me.

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So we have a series of questions that we would like to ask you. Okay, but we love to give you an opportunity to do something

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and, um, fell fired this thing, why are we all up?

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Sure.

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Hi, everybody.

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I have Amber Wested.

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My name is Mastor.

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I grew up in Warren.

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I had a seven-year-old son named Will.

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And I now have my 13 and a half-year-old niece

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with us to Olivia.

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Well, goes to Warren.

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Olivia goes to Harvard Middle School.

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I am married to Lucas Weston,

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who is the, an eighth generation, Mad River Valley.

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his grandmother Marlene was postmaster for a few decades and his grandfather

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Fats Weston was the fire chief for a few decades as well so I have pretty

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deep roots here. I am interested I think it's very important to be involved in

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local government especially since I have two children who are now growing up in

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Warren. My dad was part of rotary for many years when I was growing up in my mom

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was on board like the Mad River wreck associated when it changed from just

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warm to a like Mad River one as well. So I have always watched them be a part of

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local government and I think it's imperative so that we can keep the next

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generation in mind.

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Can I just interrupt for two say are you all right?

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I am.

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Thank you.

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I forgot one night.

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I was a poor evening.

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Tell me?

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Tell us about maybe special interests in the board of the interstandard history and interest

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in the roles in the like, but are there any special interests that you bring to the board?

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So I am a member of the Warren School PTO.

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I'm going to my second year of secretary.

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So, I think that like my son's education and now my niece's education is one of my most important interests.

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I have was we moved to Utah for 15 years and we moved back in 2024 when my son was starting kindergarten so that he could be a part of this community and go to school at Warren.

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And so I joined the PTO right after that or a year after he had been here, but I was on the school board back in Utah what he was at preschool as well.

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So I just think being involved is the only way that we could ensure that our kids are being well taken care of it, that the resources are going to them.

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And I think keeping multi-generational families in this area and also making this a place where my son can grow up and bring his family up is super important to me.

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I also work at the day school, I'm one of the teachers up there, so really childhood education and their interest is my main concern.

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I'm just going to read down these questions.

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What do you believe makes an effective select board?

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I think have people from all walks of life.

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I think you need the older generation who has been doing it for a while.

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This will be my first time on local government if I get elected to join.

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So, the people who have bad here and know how to do it are really important to teach us who are coming up in the next generation, but I think it needs to be a mixture of people.

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Issue, reduction, you'd like to see.

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I think you're telling me.

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A big one right now is what's happening with the school.

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I know that there's talk about making a mad river valley school, so then that will lead warm school as a space that is open.

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And I think that what we need in this house is to have a municipal space where our kids can go to the gym.

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or the library or go have a piano lesson or whatever when that building is vacated eventually.

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So getting that space use for something that is going to benefit the whole town for years to come

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as important. I also think that creating a space where especially people at buy generation could feel like

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they could be involved in local government is really important because we're the next ones who are

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coming up and I don't think a lot of us even think that this is a possibility yet.

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criticism. I do my best. I work in a job that is pretty heavy handed with the

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criticism, whether it's from a toddler or a parent or a co-worker. They are, and

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they're so honest and they're usually right, which is like the scariest.

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It was a pretty new part, so I think it's important to take it in, to reflect on it, to

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think how you can better yourself in that situation, everybody's going to have a

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disagreement, so you just have to make sure that you come as your best self, and don't

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any of the outside world into a disagreement or a criticism because usually it can be stopped right there.

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What factors should the select board consider when prioritizing capital projects?

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For capital projects?

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The school would be okay.

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So the I was trying to branch out from the school.

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Okay, my, like, the Capital Project is creating a space where we can be a multi-generational town and where

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our kids have a place where they can go have a birthday party. They can go do something.

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We can go as a family up there and have a family reunion because really born in the

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Mad River Valley and surrounding areas is the only place where we don't have a huge town hall that

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has a space or something like that. If you've ever had to try and have a birthday party in the top

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or of the town hall, it's pretty like, we have.

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Overwhelming.

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And as they get older, so having a gym or a place like that would be very helpful.

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And also keeping the tennis court going, and the field's going, so our kids who live

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in war can actually go, do sports and do the things that they love in war and not have to go

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20 minutes to wait, field or face in, and then come home, and then dinner, school on a school

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night, and showers, and all that stuff.

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So it makes it hard.

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do you think some of the best ways that we as Blackboard members can communicate with our community?

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I think town meeting is a good one.

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I was always a bad friend, that's not sure.

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I think that, you know, today's generation of these social media is really important because that's how we see the most engagement from the people on the PTO when we do our social media posts.

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I think, you know, we can always use the value reporter in front of porch for them, but I don't think that, especially as the generations get younger and more technology involved, that those are maybe the best place to put all the information out there has to be across all medias and outlets.

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Do you have an interest in social media?

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I do a lot of social media for PTO. I helped Jamie come and out a lot of people and kind of

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part of the same thing that you like to do. Yeah, because some people is like soul sucking.

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Oh, I don't know. I don't have a host a lot of social media, but I don't mind doing it for PTO or other

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organizations that I've been on before or it's like for soccer and all that stuff. I feel I'm pretty good at it.

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I try not to have it involved by take over my life, but something we've talked about a lot and we often end up with

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who has capacity. I would definitely be willing and probably be able to have the capacity to do that because I have noticed that that's

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what place where we can't get like more in town updates. If you have to go to kind of work for a value report or if some of us just don't remember to do that.

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I just have something quick to ask Amber. So I on average probably send this group. What would you guys say?

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Do you anticipate that you would have time to sort of, you know, catch up on emails, be able to respond all that kind of in a timely manner because most of the stuff is, you know, pretty time consuming and, you know, time sensitive and, yep.

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Yeah, I definitely try to be most on top of it as I can't. I like it that I am a mom.

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We do have our niece living with us now. Thankfully my job has a built-in 2-3 hour window

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where everybody's napping and that's usually where I get my responses done.

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I bring my computer Sarah Horleys my boss who is the president of the Warren PTO,

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so she's very willing to allow me to take that time to respond to emails and get what needs to be done.

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Oh, I want to do this here on that.

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Yeah, yeah, it's part of my business break.

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It was a really hard day, not the second day.

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It was from here.

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We do one app a day, but they do a good job from 12 to 3.

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I just asked if I should.

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Well, I'm going to go.

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How would you evaluate whether a project is a good use of taxpayer dollars?

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I would, you know, as a taxpayer in this valley, I wouldn't take my own personal interested

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to consideration.

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I would also ask my other board members to get their input because I would be new to this.

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And I also think it's important to talk to the other people around me who are a part of this

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town and also contributed to taxes like the people I work with.

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and my other peers on PTO and other soccer parents and get there and put because really that's

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what we're here for us to be a voice for them and so I think it's important to get everybody's

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input and it's a good way to cover a lot of pieces.

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Are there particular skills or perspectives

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that you feel are unique to you that you bring to board? I think it was really hard to leave

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more and 15 years or almost 15 years but I think it was really important for me to grow up and see

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Now, what I liked about being away, but also what I missed in it ultimately was the reason

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that we moved home, and so I think that it cooperated some of the other experiences

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I've had in life on boards and other states and towns that are quite different from the

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values of this town, but some of their ideas definitely were effective, and also just trying

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to remember that Michael is to make a sound like a multigenerational town, and so to keep

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Those in mine,

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any other questions?

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Any other questions?

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Anylor and I had.

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Anything else you want to tell us?

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Ask us?

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With questions for us.

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Not really.

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I am just excited to be part of the process.

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I appreciate the time that you guys have given me.

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Like I said this would be my first time in local government.

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So, I'm going to stay.

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I think you have to go home a little earlier than I was hoping but definitely I'll be in for

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other meetings and just watching the process.

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I think I got a good idea of what happens at town meeting this past years.

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That's not good.

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There are some more cities in the area.

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That kind of answered a lot of questions that I had.

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And I just think that, you know, you guys do a lot of things for people in this town.

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And there's a lot of different opinions that you have to deal with.

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And so, um, hopefully I could just be a support.

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And you're mostly about, like, one of the cave roads and the cave bridges.

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Thanks for coming, thanks for being interested, or we will absolutely let you know.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And please stay as you'd like and understand if you need to see that.

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Nice.

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Nice.

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I know.

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We are running a little bit of a schedule.

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Is that okay for you or do you want us to come back?

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I have to go to Water and Resort another meeting.

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Okay, so it's good to be there.

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I was just ready to go and say, hey, I'm gonna relate most likely, but this is amazing.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I know.

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I'll be back.

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Rebecca, do you have?

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Yeah, they're just holding up.

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Saw the new path by River Sides.

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It looks good.

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Yeah, I'm a bit down there, yeah.

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Say what the city council,set a board meeting at��고, set a card, can we do that John?

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You said wow.

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We get eight windows, there's no one in here.

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That's all local.

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Tell us, how do you start this lecture?

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How do you start this lecture, this is something I'm supposed to know.

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Go to slide上.

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Let me try. Let me try for me getting.

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I'm learning. I'm learning. Good job.

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I see time.

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Well thank you for finding time to meet with me.

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There's a lot to cover. I'm going to give you an update where we're at.

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And look ahead at 2027. I had a time.

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So it's not like a pressing thing.

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So to move forward the slide.

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So Kingsbury Greenway Accessibility Improvements and

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bridge reconstruction. The all the structural work is completed on the bridge and the path

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is done and we are finishing ramps and the woodwork on the bridge and there's a still more

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metal stiffening members that we need to bolt at the bottom and I've been avoiding that because

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drill from underneath, but it's hard to say what that stream is going to do is so dynamic,

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but we showed it up to the very best it could be showed up and when we bought ourselves years

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of like how many years we just don't know it. Please, if you have time come and take a look

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walk through. It's what we've dreamed about for past three and a half years and it's

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a first section of completed Medra Path in the war 90% complete. How did the fundraising end?

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Or do you want to hold questions in the future? No, there it is. I will next slide. Let's move over.

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It's perfect. We'll keep moving. I think baby, down, sometimes.

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This is how it ended up being, it ended up being about $94,000, the man that being a little

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more because we still haven't been built by metalworks, we're going on that based on their

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estimate.

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But if I learned a lot about how does it, how do you budget at a time of rapid inflation and a lot

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prices going up as you go. So you really have to budget up. Otherwise, so how did fundraising go?

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We have spent about 36,000 dollars from our reserves to complete this project.

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It will be raised the rest because project went so much over a budget. But we felt like a board

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felt like we have to complete the project. It's what we said to do and we depleted our

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reserves but it's going to be completely done. We had to cut a couple things. We didn't go. We

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were originally going to go from south of Kingsbury Bridge to Wavnakirakirakirishair

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in the surface that and a little section at Warren Lodge from the bridge to the parking lot,

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even in the surface that. So, workable but that we just had to cut.

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We didn't get it.

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We didn't do those two things.

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Otherwise, there it is.

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And it's done.

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As an answer, your question?

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Yeah.

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I'm just trying to look back at what you thought it might cost.

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The original before last spring, before all the damage that the stream did undermining the

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$15,000 a button.

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We were at about $55,000 and $55,000, which is what I'll counter it with timber and stone.

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and the big timber and stone are great to work with. They're amazing. They deployed and got everything done in a week.

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And I think about how this guy's work compared to how some work you see on the road, how long it takes.

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There were just six people crew and they just hit the ground running. I said you guys want me to give you some history.

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They don't know, come at lunch. But we're going to get started. So it's a great partnership. We developed.

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Great. Okay.

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So we could move forward unless there are questions about this project.

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It's best to speak for itself.

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It's a fine time to take your dog for a walk on a kid's bike ride.

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It's really great.

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It's great to work with Warren Lodge.

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It's a young friend who's super helpful.

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At one point, we needed to change the grade.

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We had materials and we asked him to give materials right there.

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you would never notice, you know, yeah, do what you need to do. So, it's really nice

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people to work with. Okay, so here are other projects more, projects and more,

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we've constructed, biking, biking, backpacker, campsite, cloud work farm and it's been used

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quite consistent and really nice, you know, I walk out of the losses the other day and there's a large

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group of bike packers looking at their phones and I will of course say, are you guys thinking

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You're looking for a place to camp there like yes, yes, it's getting dark. It's okay

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I tell you exactly ready to go. We have group of kids bike-packing groups staying there for a whole week

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And the bathroom is working great. There's no smell. It's doing this job composting great partnership with Cloudwater Farm

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We applied for a bike bed grid. You remember back in the spring we're supposed to hear in the middle of August

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that's typical for V-transitime line, it's middle of September, and I asked for this meeting

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when we were here. They said the answer was verbatim, hopefully soon.

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The official answer.

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We submitted two applications for demonstration projects. It took a long time,

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but it's done. Thank you for letting us work with V-H-B and those meetings that all help.

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So for crossing right here in the village, the application is out and for Kingsbury Greenway

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boards for bike lanes boards, so now it's under review, we trust review.

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We are doing Recation Economy Studies, we have five trail counters for the entire season,

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it's five busiest locations including one at Blueberry Lake and other locations such as

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bridge street, Losson's boardwalk, La Roe swimming hall, revolution evolution, and those

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are full-time, the whole season, June, through October, trail counters. So we're not approximating,

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we're actually counting for the whole season, and it paired up with a recreational economy survey

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for both visitors and residents. And at the end of the season we'll be able to put it all together

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produce what is our current trail use, very well documented, and then based on that project

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what will happen when we complete the past. So it's not using other people's data, it's using

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in our own day now.

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Oh, it was a guy, our volunteers.

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We need more volunteers, we still have several busy weekends because of course we're getting a lot of local data online surveys, but we're only ready to get visitors data if the trailheads with clipboards, so we need more volunteers, but it's going great. We're about 300 complaints surveys hoping to get another 100 people at the end of the season to have enough data.

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And those are the surveys that you're doing after trialheads, can you add online?

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I don't even have to trailheads and online, but online we're hitting locals because

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all part of our organizations sent them out to all people.

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But 300 is it all of both of them?

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Yeah, we need more visitor service.

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It's heavy on locals, not enough visitors yet.

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So, there's no record.

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Did you do update for the board on the sugar bush access role?

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Yep, I put it in my token share part.

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All right, so we are,

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We're hoping that we will be able to use that transportation alternatives, programs,

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grant with the end of November deadline to be able to apply for additional funding.

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And all the things need to line up, and Jeff is pushing his hardest.

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He can't on VHB. It's all on VHB's court.

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And it's going to come to you.

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And you guys are going to do it very quickly.

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So that's right away.

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Maps, and then it's going to go to Vtrend Review, and they're going to direct their feet.

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But unless we have a final design by the end of November,

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we wouldn't know what the budget is.

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We wouldn't know what the older round is.

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And we wouldn't be able to apply.

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And we're going to lose construction season next year.

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Because it's clearly going to be way more than what we have.

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But just want to remind you that that grant,

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when you apply for the over-around inflational over-up,

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it does not require local match.

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They just say, you need this much more money to finish

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and they're committed to it.

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So at least that's how they explain it to us.

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Hopefully we'll get there.

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Before you move on, you said,

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we need to turn something around really quickly.

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Well, that will be coming to you.

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So right now, the VHB are preparing right away maps.

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As soon as they said, they're going to get them done this week.

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They'll send them to you, Tom, for you.

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Okay.

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And we need to send them back.

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Yeah, as a board, you are turning the town of turning you to review that, I believe.

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It's a turning review, and then it goes to V-trends review, and then once V-trends reviews them,

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we can then go and sign right away agreements.

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So how long do you want, how long do we have to turn that out on the other side?

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Because your work is on the other side.

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You know, I know it's possible, because V-trends, we have no leverage, just where we have leverage,

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let's use leverage, it's your only place we have.

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But they do not. We know that we wish to build in 27. They know they promised us that

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we'll be the latest, we're going to be building 27. And they're saying, oh, we probably

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know it's probably not going to happen because it's so tight.

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It's tight. Come on guys. Crazy. Crazy. Yeah. Well, we'll, we'll learning because you can go to

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Next slide.

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You try.

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It's a, thank you.

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All right, peace out.

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That's at the campsite, John Rickard,

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you're one resident in incredible

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a past board member in Stuart working with

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our AmeriCorps service member Abby,

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you learn a lot, partnering with Yestermore,

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great partnership.

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We can move on.

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This is the map, hard to see, map of 27, 27 implementation priorities, but you've seen this, you've seen this many enough times, that it's pretty simple.

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Sorry, that's fine.

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So these are our implementation priorities in one.

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complete this two demonstration projects. We talked about it. And the next year we would

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like to continue constructing from the end of Kingsbury Bridge and go all the way to

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Magra Falls. That's of course a tall order but there will be no vehicle. So we would reach

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Warren, Wadesville townlines, there will be historic thing and all we would be left in Warren

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is that first mile, the roof, say park, plus improvements in the village, and then it is

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our goal provided that you guys put it to the voters to apply for the bike band rent for

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the first mile. We could flip the slide and talk about this in a little more detail.

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So, it

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bridge south to men but false. The way it works with the trance that we learned is if we

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have a path all the way to Kingsbury Bridge and on the other side we have a path all

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of the Kingsbury Bridge and most left is the bridge they are actually going to be forced

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to either allow us to put a slain with bullets or to say you guys need to apply for grant

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to build a bike pedestrian bridge because when this is kind of how they work they have to

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on both ends of them and they have a small,

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unconnected place and then they say we have to do something here and then they do it.

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So that's why this is the next logical to continue even though we have the gap.

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Let's get that done.

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One point you guys and what was the decision you've just

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How do you know?

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Hopefully, we will be able to apply.

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I'm right now, I feel 15% certain that we can push the root

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and then we'll be able to apply the grant,

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which means that we'll move close

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as a construction, 50% with the root.

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And it's just to be clear

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the section that you just did,

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how they're significant amount of bridge

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of buttoning repairs, driving across to that piece.

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Not big time, half the cost was...

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And the rest of it is like, basically flat path through the meta?

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Yes, it's less expensive to construct a path through the meta than it is.

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It is to repair the bridge, and do welding and welding.

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Right, so it's not, I like.

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And we already, mine from our house, last year we replaced a bridge at Cloudwater Farm, already, with the big...

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We had it in order for a center grant and we built the sturdy bridge, so the bridge is done, it was section.

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Okay, and then we would like to apply it for a bike pad grant for the first mile, if down a proof local match at the town, me.

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That was kind of picking up back where we ended the last conversation.

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So maybe it'll be because discuss it in a minute when I finish we can go down and show you the budget of the bar.

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Let me slide.

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So this is the construction budget for from Kingsbury.

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We expressed, we could get this as what we propose. We are proposing to put together a bunch of funding. So today we wrote a window fundation grant. This is right now, planning for a year from now. Some of these things we are not going to get, we are going to look for other things about what we do have now with Jeff and Jeff. At this point, we have this Seek construction season to land. He is writing one grant a week and so he won't get A, he will do the job.

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This is this is speculative, right?

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Things with a validation grant because this path is on a Belmont.

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And as you know, we have an agreement with Belmont.

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And what you don't know is that we've had a lot of me who Belmont

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can be mapped out the route.

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And a current route is from Blueberry Lake Belmont

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will come to Fuller Hill Road and come down Fuller Hill Road

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to warm village, and from warm village, follow the active transportation corridor out to

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the bottom of the hill road, and then go up now. If you're not mountain bike or it's going to be

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a gibberish butter up, enchanted forest, evolution revolution down to wreck up.

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And because they agreed to this route, we become eligible for their funding, and they have funding.

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So we meet with them soon.

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They said they will help to get there, to be developed.

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So this is the section from Blueberry Lake,

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to for help via the Blueberry Lake, the old connector

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through the trails or on the road.

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From Blueberry Lake to for Hill,

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we need to develop connector.

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There is an unofficial connector there.

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And so that's the work that the riders

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have been a little bit working on, but I'll have to

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have to take it on going forward. So I would need to permit that connector. It's a very short

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distance. But I think it's also private property. Working with landowners, finding the

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willing landowners. The risk of connection is just not on the map. But no permission says

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been asked. It's a plan.

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We are next week, we'll be applying for state of demand. It's a building

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grounds grant us correct district use their annual contribution towards this project use the

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rotary grant for this project erase $2,000 with community and then ask both Warren and

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Whitesfield because now they're crossing the line right right when we cross to that so it's

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exactly 0.6 of a mile just happened in Warren and 0.6 of a mile in Whitesfield. So this is

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where we do that both down to contribute to the total estimation using our, what we learned

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this year is $190,000.

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Which will also get us back to finish this little two little sections that we haven't finished.

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What will drive the cost, Devon, is Bumpfuy, Camaro, the Kingsbury Bridge, we'll have to build

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loop to have a hole in that guardrail to come out on the road. If we do the US permission

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to put bolers across the bridge, we won't be going to the end of Babanaki. We want to

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minimize the time people are on the road so we would make a tighter loop than it would

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be a cut. And the same on the other side of the bridge we want to go right down to cloud

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far too many miles to die people are on the road okay so like like an inner state

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access loop yeah I'm both side off of the trail on to the bridge yeah and that is

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accounted for this come to four but likely not going to be permitted by

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veterans in time for next construction season but what if we can move down unless

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questions about this. I had a quick question. You said that developing that trail from

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blueberry lake down the through weight field via all the things in the

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conversation,

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the path eligible for funding for that one, right? Yeah, so

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vellumont likes to come into communities and they like to say vellumont is coming through

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your community and we bring funding with us. We're not just using your trail

446
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:38,410
So we're helping you. So we had several meetings and we're meeting with the development director.

447
00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:41,430
They want to understand the budget and they want to help.

448
00:34:41,910 --> 00:34:45,990
That's, as far as we went, there's no commitment of any particular dollar.

449
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:49,310
I see. So it's projecting a certain amount.

450
00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:55,670
And even, so I'm just curious if that amount will be used for the Kingsbury

451
00:34:55,670 --> 00:35:02,330
to Mad Bush connection, or those funds will be used to establish the connection from a blueberry to four.

452
00:35:02,330 --> 00:35:07,170
Now, that's, those are the funds we'll be used for what we're doing next year.

453
00:35:08,610 --> 00:35:10,030
So, that connects our connections.

454
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:11,090
We look very typical.

455
00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:12,450
Our hell isn't necessarily good.

456
00:35:13,130 --> 00:35:14,650
We tell you, it hasn't been planned.

457
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:23,970
The reason we can do this project is because Cloud Warfarm is protected with remote land trust,

458
00:35:24,030 --> 00:35:27,710
with remote land trust, with whom we have relationship with who we walk the path,

459
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:30,730
and both the land owner and the land trust agree.

460
00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:37,810
This is a good project, this is an agreement, same as yesterday Maro agreed that this is a good project, they want to see this happen.

461
00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:41,170
You know, this is the biggest barrier to this development.

462
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:46,430
You need to have learned our permission, the same is when we are in the town of Warrenland, the town of Greece with that.

463
00:35:46,450 --> 00:35:55,570
Once that's in place, and we know that we're not in wetlands or in the flood, we are in the floodplain kind of a cloud waterfall,

464
00:35:55,890 --> 00:35:59,790
but we're not in wetlands, we're just going on an existing field tomorrow.

465
00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:07,170
So I'm taking state wetland specialists through all of those sections to make sure that when

466
00:36:07,170 --> 00:36:11,250
we do apply for a primitive we need to, there's no issues.

467
00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:13,550
That's Shen.

468
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:19,150
We're doing the whole, we're meeting at the parking right here, we're going to go all the way

469
00:36:19,150 --> 00:36:19,850
the way south.

470
00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:20,550
We're there.

471
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:22,170
And the legislators are coming too.

472
00:36:23,950 --> 00:36:28,670
Well, this is really good timing because we're doing the 27 budget, early this year we're

473
00:36:28,670 --> 00:36:29,570
going to do it next month.

474
00:36:29,570 --> 00:36:35,350
So it's going to have the number, the ask, as we look at the budget.

475
00:36:36,830 --> 00:36:40,330
So this is the summary. Next slide is the summary of twenty-seven.

476
00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:42,390
That was it. That was it.

477
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:43,170
That was it.

478
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:45,350
You didn't just call that, I think.

479
00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:46,490
That's the last slide.

480
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,240
Great. Thank you.

481
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,420
So they're four, they're four parts to this ask.

482
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:08,420
I will hopefully do a continue funding implementation coordinator position.

483
00:37:08,420 --> 00:37:15,620
Jeff is doing exactly what we hired in for and increasing our capacity.

484
00:37:16,780 --> 00:37:24,660
We hope that you will contribute $20,000 to the construction next year which will represent 10.5% down match.

485
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,840
I've been meaning to ask you this for a while.

486
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:40,040
We are mowing 1.1 miles of path in Warren and putting dog bags at 5 locations. This is a fraction, of course,

487
00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:48,500
of our mowing, I'm mowing all the others over $8,000 a season. So I do need to find ways to pay, to pay for this.

488
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:57,020
This is kind of crazy to be, trust to be fundraising. It's like I'm paying for mowing and dog bags in the box.

489
00:37:58,660 --> 00:38:02,920
There is all of course all of us, you guys will deliberate and discuss, and then if you

490
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,500
will be willing to put a local match for the first mile, or in Willis-Jurversite, part

491
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:15,060
to the voters, and then we'll have time, if people approve this, we'll have time to decide

492
00:38:15,060 --> 00:38:20,760
whether we want which route we take, whether we take a route of applying for those federal

493
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,740
grants and using it as a match, or we take a route of having the entrance, allow us to be able

494
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:30,380
path in a right away with our own, with our own resources.

495
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,980
In the meantime, we're also looking for engineering grant.

496
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,420
We always looking for the grant that could allow us to engineer that regardless of how

497
00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,040
we can build it.

498
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:49,520
And the last thing I would like to know that your conservation commission makes decisions

499
00:38:49,520 --> 00:39:00,020
about downland. Do you remember that the worn path from school is not end that continues

500
00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:07,240
on the old grader logging road that gradually comes down to the Med River across from just

501
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:15,630
south of Quail Bend and there's a place there on a nice suspension bridge could connect us to

502
00:39:15,630 --> 00:39:24,070
pretty much travel I, from where we have this far to go to a riverside park. And that's

503
00:39:24,780 --> 00:39:29,330
when I started my job and I scouted it out, the conservation commission said,

504
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:38,710
we don't want any trails there because it's a wildlife corridor and it may be worth a while to

505
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:50,050
visit this because it's all about it's time and money, right. We see how hard it is to work

506
00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:56,530
in a right way of the state highway and how long it takes. Whereas it's all a down land

507
00:39:56,530 --> 00:40:01,630
and just one private parcel. If we were to explore the possibility it could be just a lot faster.

508
00:40:01,630 --> 00:40:08,290
So, we have a lot of eating woods, that's what, that's what eating woods, but the eating

509
00:40:08,290 --> 00:40:14,550
would be only in the extra. So, you know, to this trail, in fact, behind the scoring,

510
00:40:14,790 --> 00:40:19,750
the warm trail, the warm trail, the warm trail, it continues on, on an old grade, there's

511
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:25,610
a no beautiful stone grade, right? And then it just ends, it doesn't end. The road continues,

512
00:40:25,610 --> 00:40:27,870
It's just the sign trail ends.

513
00:40:28,710 --> 00:40:32,250
So continuing from there is no discharge,

514
00:40:32,250 --> 00:40:34,310
no discharge, there's an old road,

515
00:40:34,350 --> 00:40:36,350
farmer road that goes all the way down

516
00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:38,830
and it just crosses one property,

517
00:40:40,070 --> 00:40:42,250
which I think is the broadest, is the broadest.

518
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:43,470
It's the broadest.

519
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:44,090
It's the broadest.

520
00:40:44,830 --> 00:40:47,870
Yeah, the farm, the farm, the crops,

521
00:40:48,450 --> 00:40:50,390
sorry, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

522
00:40:50,430 --> 00:40:53,610
Anyway, it's just something to at least look at,

523
00:40:53,610 --> 00:41:15,210
And I, with your permission, I would discuss it with the conservation commission and you have talked about it three years ago and it was all new and now everybody understands more about the project and understand better how difficult it is for us to have expensive.

524
00:41:15,210 --> 00:41:20,550
It is. So yeah, just so I'm clear. So that's an alternative to going to be an alternative.

525
00:41:20,810 --> 00:41:29,030
There would be an alternative. That would be a lot more enjoyable because we would be the difficult part there would be a bridge.

526
00:41:30,430 --> 00:41:34,090
But bridges can be made. We're not talking about a road bridge.

527
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:37,410
And there push back was.

528
00:41:37,510 --> 00:41:43,850
They just said wildlife corridors that they would like to not have any trails in that area.

529
00:41:43,850 --> 00:41:48,110
It seems like from a safety perspective it would be a lot more appealing.

530
00:41:49,050 --> 00:41:53,370
Even though your trail will be off 100, I mean, having all those people on 100,

531
00:41:53,950 --> 00:41:56,690
always makes me a little anxious from a safety perspective.

532
00:41:58,330 --> 00:41:59,170
If there's an alternative,

533
00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:02,330
it will be great.

534
00:42:02,670 --> 00:42:05,390
Thank you for the feedback. It's worth taking a look at.

535
00:42:06,050 --> 00:42:09,190
So with your permission, I would explore that.

536
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:10,110
Explore the possibility.

537
00:42:10,110 --> 00:42:20,470
Yeah, I don't, I mean I don't think it's our permission per se to give you the right to talk to the conservation commissioner not.

538
00:42:20,970 --> 00:42:22,750
He knows very approachable.

539
00:42:23,890 --> 00:42:31,570
I know that in my conversations with him he has expressed concerns mostly because of dogs.

540
00:42:32,330 --> 00:42:41,830
And that wild life corridor is specific to predators who are very wary of using spaces where domestic dogs have been.

541
00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:48,690
So that corridor in particular is a large travel corridor for bobcats and fox and coyote and bear.

542
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:58,170
And their concern is that with the influx of people and dogs that it will disrupt the movement of our predator species.

543
00:42:59,630 --> 00:43:02,130
that was the last time station here in our head.

544
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:08,470
I don't even remember, I think that was like when I started working on the committee.

545
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:13,210
I think he had asked me your chat to him. I don't know what you guys think.

546
00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:16,150
I think it's worth another discussion, yeah.

547
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:17,710
Something's such a better idea.

548
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:19,730
Yeah, it's so much better.

549
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:28,110
To get it out of the village, like to distribute past this whole intersection,

550
00:43:28,110 --> 00:43:30,590
because we're not at 100 intersection.

551
00:43:31,070 --> 00:43:32,030
We wouldn't have that.

552
00:43:32,110 --> 00:43:32,770
Plot the mass.

553
00:43:33,210 --> 00:43:33,470
It's a bit ways.

554
00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:34,810
It could be so much cool.

555
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:35,850
It'd be much more beautiful.

556
00:43:36,370 --> 00:43:36,590
Yeah.

557
00:43:37,090 --> 00:43:39,370
And then it's, let's see.

558
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:41,090
Much more logical to me.

559
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:43,330
I can't really say to be a wildlife expert,

560
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:45,430
but both the foxes and coyotes

561
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:47,090
could care less about our hound dogs

562
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:49,150
going down the river driveway every night.

563
00:43:49,650 --> 00:43:51,090
A lot of video of that.

564
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:52,010
Oh, yeah.

565
00:43:52,810 --> 00:43:53,570
There's a lot of problems.

566
00:43:53,610 --> 00:43:57,130
Probably the, I would imagine it's bats that are more.

567
00:43:57,130 --> 00:43:58,670
I don't know either.

568
00:43:59,030 --> 00:44:02,410
Yeah, I think it sounds like you have support from the Board in general.

569
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:06,350
Yeah, I think that sounds very good to me.

570
00:44:06,610 --> 00:44:08,030
Let's see where they go.

571
00:44:08,370 --> 00:44:09,190
See where they go.

572
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:09,810
Yep.

573
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:10,630
OK.

574
00:44:11,710 --> 00:44:16,090
So that's how to give you as big or big shares.

575
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:17,070
As I can.

576
00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:19,990
I had a time to give you time to just think it through

577
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:23,390
and I was always appreciated working with you.

578
00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:39,970
And here's why we don't, why this isn't the $400,000 is in $420,000, where we can just sort of combine two and four together and put that in front of the voters as one ask, as opposed to the two things being separated.

579
00:44:41,830 --> 00:44:47,870
Well, we sort of really could. I think it's up to us how we present the past ask.

580
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:54,090
I think, and please, Misha, jump in if I'm not re-enriding your thoughts appropriately here.

581
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:59,850
But the $20,000 ask is an easier thing for the board to say.

582
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,240
Okay, we would do willing to put that in the budget, but that we have already expressed that we're not comfortable spending $400,000 without explicit approval from the voters.

583
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:20,340
So keeping that separate in that way, knowing that, like we're talking about a large expense, I think that's what we have.

584
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:26,340
But when we look at the budget, you know, October, I think we can reconsider that if we wanted to come by.

585
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:31,060
We can do whatever we want.

586
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,500
I think that's a little bit for when you show it.

587
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,180
Sorry, is it in the net?

588
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:37,500
He's expressing it multiple times.

589
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,400
It's a multi-pronged approach.

590
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:42,560
We're just going to keep trying to make work what we can make work

591
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,440
so that there's always a piece capable to be developed.

592
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:47,220
Yeah.

593
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:50,620
And the thing about the $400,000 match,

594
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,680
this was the match to the grant,

595
00:45:52,680 --> 00:46:01,560
to build that mile, if we have time to begin now and the town meeting to learn whether conservation

596
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:07,100
commission is approachable. If they are approachable, then we're going to learn if a bridge

597
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:14,120
is permissible. We already developed relationship with bridge people. But to a little bridge

598
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:18,900
we thought that's going to be super hard. Not at all. They came and they said, yeah, you've

599
00:46:18,900 --> 00:46:24,780
there. And yeah, we all love ecological restoration, but you don't have time on money for this

600
00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:32,820
get rip wrap, rip air. And they said, you should get into the stream and excavate this gravel

601
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:40,840
that we're on the bank for the lay surprises, but how logical they work. So, let us give it a try.

602
00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:48,520
And we'll figure 5,000 for a bridge over a stream versus 2 million for a mile, over 100.

603
00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:56,220
When the mile back in the woods would be beautiful and scenic and continue the trail that all the kids take every day.

604
00:46:56,580 --> 00:46:58,500
The other alternatives walking along 100.

605
00:46:59,740 --> 00:47:01,300
I mean, kind of seems like an abranger.

606
00:47:02,580 --> 00:47:05,040
So let's learn about it.

607
00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:07,980
But that's 400,000 was going to be over time.

608
00:47:07,980 --> 00:47:08,760
Remember that?

609
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,620
Well, there is a thousand dollars a year.

610
00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:11,560
There's more.

611
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,040
It's a four-year commitment.

612
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:20,020
And then by the time of the town, he will be able to have a economic data from our

613
00:47:20,020 --> 00:47:22,100
study because people are always asking.

614
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:23,740
It's an investment.

615
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:27,260
It's not we are actually spending money.

616
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,740
We're creating a durable investment for the town of Warren.

617
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:43,270
I guess there is a situation that could occur if the Conservation Commission is open.

618
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:48,490
the development of that path, that would shift the focus of that big head grant.

619
00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:50,710
More of, absolutely.

620
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:57,430
If they were to say yes to that, would that grant still be something that you'd want to apply for?

621
00:47:57,590 --> 00:47:59,050
Is that one eligible for that?

622
00:47:59,130 --> 00:47:59,930
I don't think so.

623
00:48:00,070 --> 00:48:04,070
I think that the grant, as you see it, is what it takes.

624
00:48:04,610 --> 00:48:07,890
Because the more headache, I think we would be, we would be, we would be,

625
00:48:08,050 --> 00:48:12,830
we would take the same approach as we're taking on to redevelopment of what we do now.

626
00:48:12,830 --> 00:48:20,990
Okay. The patchwork of local and private foundations and fundraising and moving a little bit at a time.

627
00:48:21,130 --> 00:48:28,590
I think it's four years or better spent moving a little bit at a time forward rather than being a head against the wall.

628
00:48:29,230 --> 00:48:37,650
So there's a possibility given what the conservation commission said in the moment before it's decided that we would take off the table.

629
00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:56,650
There is, or there is a possibility that we want this to be a down funded project fully or partially that we would make an ask because to be sure a bridge like that will be a half a million dollar project.

630
00:48:57,070 --> 00:49:01,850
A bridge across the Mad River that spends the floodplain.

631
00:49:01,850 --> 00:49:03,910
It's no, it's no small project.

632
00:49:04,430 --> 00:49:08,010
It's the Bridge over Mill Bridge over Mill Brook currently,

633
00:49:08,750 --> 00:49:11,550
is with the additions of the path.

634
00:49:11,690 --> 00:49:16,590
It's a $720,000 project and Mill Brook

635
00:49:16,590 --> 00:49:19,570
and the Mad River in this section

636
00:49:19,570 --> 00:49:23,510
is sort of like a little bit comfortable to me in volume.

637
00:49:24,310 --> 00:49:26,450
And you think it's a whole set of 720?

638
00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:30,950
Right, with the Trans Money, the Bridge across Mill Brook.

639
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:38,870
300 yards upstream from that, without the trans money, three years ago was 400,000, right?

640
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:41,030
That's a bridge, it's a bridge, it's a wreck hub.

641
00:49:41,450 --> 00:49:46,890
So we have comparable, because easiest way to do this is with a pre-fabricated bridge,

642
00:49:46,890 --> 00:49:49,030
that's just working on a bucket.

643
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:52,110
But this is I'm speculating, let's take time.

644
00:49:52,290 --> 00:49:54,790
But the important part of what you just said is that the minute we ask the

645
00:49:54,790 --> 00:49:57,250
trans to participate, the cost nearly doubled.

646
00:49:59,550 --> 00:50:02,750
Maybe it's a third more or maybe it's quite as much.

647
00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:06,890
She doubles and it's exponentially longer.

648
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:12,550
But the end result of this, if we're willing to wait, are durable and proved.

649
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:17,590
This given it's all done, set and done, that should have waspath is going to surpass.

650
00:50:18,010 --> 00:50:21,270
And it's width and quality to what we are building here.

651
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:31,470
It's true, because they're mandated to feed, but we're able to build is good enough.

652
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:37,190
It's not 10 feet, but it's 6 feet. People can walk side by side. Now I go there and

653
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:40,510
if people are walking through your breasts and talking to each other, it's good.

654
00:50:43,580 --> 00:50:47,320
So we all need to go use the trail that has been improved recently.

655
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:53,260
And if anyone wants to volunteer at Truhuts, to do service.

656
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,880
There will be some sort of available at the...

657
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,520
Get the pass.

658
00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:58,040
Yeah, we have to clear the boards.

659
00:50:58,500 --> 00:50:58,600
Yeah.

660
00:50:59,340 --> 00:50:59,420
Yep.

661
00:50:59,780 --> 00:51:01,820
I think we definitely want to talk again

662
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:07,100
October and November about your discussions with Edo

663
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:08,460
and how to think about that.

664
00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:10,300
Great.

665
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,240
I'll make sure to meet the Conservation Commission

666
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:17,240
between now and as soon as they able to meet with me.

667
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:22,960
And if you guys want to, on your own, express your interest in this happening, I'm sure it will help.

668
00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:23,780
Okay.

669
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:25,340
Great.

670
00:51:25,980 --> 00:51:26,000
Great.

671
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,040
This is the concentration commission.

672
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:27,900
How is it going?

673
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,640
How is that?

674
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:35,060
Like, who gets to, who does, who gets to decide whether or not that actually goes through it?

675
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:36,420
Like, do they recommend?

676
00:51:36,820 --> 00:51:37,100
Yeah.

677
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,920
They've actually made recommendations to us.

678
00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:46,680
In practice, we lean on them and accept their judgment.

679
00:51:47,220 --> 00:51:49,480
because they're doing that work.

680
00:51:49,500 --> 00:51:50,240
Yeah, that's good point.

681
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:51,860
I think this is one of the authorities.

682
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:53,540
Good job.

683
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:53,760
Good job.

684
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:54,060
Good job.

685
00:51:56,940 --> 00:52:00,780
John, I just wanted to add that the Warren Pass,

686
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,800
you know, with the dog parked there down,

687
00:52:03,340 --> 00:52:06,620
the amount of traffic that that trail gets is just amazing.

688
00:52:07,380 --> 00:52:09,260
You know, I've stewarded that for three years,

689
00:52:10,220 --> 00:52:12,220
and it leads to the vista trail,

690
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:15,420
and that's gotten a lot more traffic on it.

691
00:52:15,420 --> 00:52:29,960
You know, it's quite well used, especially if it's up there this past year holiday weekend, and there were just people coming up and down, and then, you know, the dog issue, you know, people have the dog park, but they tend to go for a walk.

692
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:38,260
A number walk and then kind of let the dog socialize in the dog part, but that's just brought a lot more people up in that area.

693
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:49,040
You know, the leash thing is, you know, I'm conflicted, you know, because there, you know, goofy little dogs, you know, you know, not kind of bother anybody.

694
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:56,920
And there are certain people that have them on the leash and can say, pull them off to the side, very considerate.

695
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:18,870
And, you know, it's a steward, you know, you don't want to just be kind of, you know, get that dog on a leash and, you know, it's an issue everywhere, but it is it, you know, enforcing that or what, and I know it's a valley-wide issue now.

696
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:22,510
It certainly has become a bigger issue.

697
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:27,110
I'm not sure we're ready to talk about that one tonight.

698
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:28,070
No, no, no, no.

699
00:53:28,530 --> 00:53:32,270
I was going to say how great it is that that don't park

700
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:35,430
and the amount of traffic and the amount of use that traffic.

701
00:53:35,790 --> 00:53:35,830
Yeah.

702
00:53:35,950 --> 00:53:37,670
It can continue on their river side.

703
00:53:38,030 --> 00:53:39,570
Yeah, what do you even call great?

704
00:53:40,270 --> 00:53:43,250
I do think just with respect to the ducking

705
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:46,210
that it will be important to work together with the path

706
00:53:46,210 --> 00:53:51,310
because you're not about, is there a way in which we can build

707
00:53:51,310 --> 00:53:53,890
off each path, some on each path?

708
00:53:54,710 --> 00:53:57,630
And I know that there are a lot of facets to that,

709
00:53:57,750 --> 00:54:00,930
because by the private landowners and we don't want anyone to

710
00:54:00,930 --> 00:54:03,490
work very easily, because of that.

711
00:54:03,870 --> 00:54:06,670
So there's probably a lot of work to be done there.

712
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:09,910
There is, and with the work should be, we should be

713
00:54:09,910 --> 00:54:11,330
responding rather than reacting.

714
00:54:12,050 --> 00:54:14,550
So tomorrow there's a first meeting with all the

715
00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:21,470
interested parties that wait for this hosting with people who listen to each other.

716
00:54:22,070 --> 00:54:23,650
I just want to make sure that...

717
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:25,270
Well, I just know about that one.

718
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:25,510
Yes.

719
00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:28,630
It's a more than nine o'clock at wait.

720
00:54:28,770 --> 00:54:30,750
So this is the invited specific...

721
00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:31,310
Oh, okay.

722
00:54:31,690 --> 00:54:31,770
Interesting.

723
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:33,550
I don't think so.

724
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:36,310
But...

725
00:54:36,310 --> 00:54:41,490
I would just say, again, we are on the trails every day from all the trails.

726
00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:45,570
the vast majority of dogs that will behave dogs,

727
00:54:45,850 --> 00:54:48,690
vast majority of dog owners are responsible dog owners.

728
00:54:49,230 --> 00:54:51,530
If we're going to make decisions based on one percent

729
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:56,010
of irresponsible citizen in any given situation,

730
00:54:56,670 --> 00:55:00,370
what kind of world we're going to have.

731
00:55:01,270 --> 00:55:03,590
So there are, can we do better?

732
00:55:03,850 --> 00:55:05,070
There are things we can do.

733
00:55:05,410 --> 00:55:08,870
So I look forward to thinking through what we can do better.

734
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:13,750
And then, last thing, I don't know if you guys have seen the new map over the measure of pass.

735
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:17,870
I have them.

736
00:55:18,590 --> 00:55:18,830
I have them.

737
00:55:18,830 --> 00:55:18,870
I have them.

738
00:55:19,590 --> 00:55:19,710
Thank you.

739
00:55:22,270 --> 00:55:24,490
I'm going to put mine in this final pass.

740
00:55:26,110 --> 00:55:28,710
All those can in the main of Ari's final pass.

741
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:30,230
Who was on the cover?

742
00:55:31,210 --> 00:55:31,770
Did you get that?

743
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:32,390
Yeah.

744
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:33,150
Did I get it?

745
00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:33,630
Yeah.

746
00:55:33,630 --> 00:55:37,810
Yeah, I have to go to work with other people.

747
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:39,290
Thank you so much.

748
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:39,390
Thank you so much.

749
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:40,070
This is great.

750
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:43,510
Really, really good to know.

751
00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:45,310
I appreciate that.

752
00:55:45,870 --> 00:55:47,010
Thank you for your partnership.

753
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:48,250
Have a good night.

754
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:48,810
Thank you.

755
00:55:49,050 --> 00:55:49,950
Thank you.

756
00:56:00,090 --> 00:56:02,110
Do we want to talk about the past at all?

757
00:56:02,190 --> 00:56:03,070
I know we should have to go.

758
00:56:03,390 --> 00:56:06,650
Do we want to talk about it a little while before we move on?

759
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:09,730
I don't have anything to add.

760
00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:10,850
Perfect.

761
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:16,330
Does someone want to communicate with you about the trail?

762
00:56:17,010 --> 00:56:19,250
I, I am admittedly convicted.

763
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,220
I'm happy to talk to you, though.

764
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,640
I'm going to talk to you a few times.

765
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,040
Okay.

766
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,460
I mean, I think if you feel like it's necessary,

767
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,900
I'm sure it was sort of lasting if we would.

768
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:38,500
Alternatively, we can wait for him to talk to you,

769
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,560
and you don't reach out for that to us.

770
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:42,200
It doesn't matter to me.

771
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:51,640
I know that we often make decisions that make it easier and cheaper for humans at the expense

772
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:59,820
of some of our natural resources and we need to be really mindful about how to do that.

773
00:56:59,980 --> 00:57:07,540
Because we don't want to prohibit development and prohibit positive change for humans.

774
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:15,540
So, I think it'll be important to get an in-depth understanding of where he was coming from,

775
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:20,480
because he has been very firm that that path should never be developed.

776
00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:22,420
And I'd like to know why.

777
00:57:23,420 --> 00:57:26,980
Yeah, I'd like to know the actual impact on the critters because...

778
00:57:26,980 --> 00:57:27,440
Yeah.

779
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,200
To me from the...

780
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:28,980
It would be amazing.

781
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:30,480
It would be a huge impact.

782
00:57:31,660 --> 00:57:35,240
Anything that gets people off route 100 to me,

783
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:41,780
like, as a former paramedic, having dealt with the aftermath of that, anything that was a person

784
00:57:41,780 --> 00:57:46,840
off the road on 0.5, who's like, well worth attiming, and the road is scary.

785
00:57:47,980 --> 00:57:53,940
And just to remind us that the path that they're asking to build for it, to go 100, 100 would

786
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:59,280
be separated by a 15 foot blocker, and 10 feet wide.

787
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:08,300
But you have to go through this town, and go across through 100 down, and then go down, and

788
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:13,260
and cross again. Yes, you do. So there's like, and more little does become a mini

789
00:58:13,260 --> 00:58:19,200
hundred. So we're gonna have the other solution of points. Not when the

790
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,140
you come, go back in, or back back back.

791
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,920
Okay, sorry, short term runs

792
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,340
left date, we're a little bit deeper in schedule here. Carrie unfortunately can't join us.

793
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:37,680
That's okay, but we have the numbers. Um, I won't have, would you get any of these?

794
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,640
Yep. Nice job. And I have it. You are ready to share.

795
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:43,020
Put some food. Oh, good job.

796
00:58:43,740 --> 00:58:45,160
We can do these. Hi zombies.

797
00:58:47,220 --> 00:58:48,220
Where are we?

798
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:48,720
Sure.

799
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,120
This one?

800
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:52,880
Then I have multiple.

801
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,460
That's your big.

802
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:00,940
Oh, good job.

803
00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:04,090
Sorry, guys.

804
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:05,970
So I should just let Joel do this.

805
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:14,580
Can we get it?

806
00:59:14,580 --> 00:59:14,860
Yeah.

807
00:59:15,260 --> 00:59:15,820
Is that going?

808
00:59:16,340 --> 00:59:16,740
Yes.

809
00:59:21,430 --> 00:59:21,850
All right.

810
00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:38,140
So total approved applications, 155, identified SDR units, 4026, that's 81.5% of the estimated total

811
00:59:38,140 --> 00:59:46,960
number, coupon rate since 36%, 10 applications pending, this was as of the fourth.

812
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:54,660
So what, I'm sorry, you might not know this, but where do you grant a kiss come up with 81.5?

813
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,420
They do this, I don't really know.

814
00:59:58,500 --> 00:59:59,960
It's great scrubbing, scrubbing.

815
01:00:00,500 --> 01:00:05,620
So, all of the different platforms where people can rent, I thought I got before 26.

816
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:19,020
No. They found 500 and some odd listings. And then they go through trying to actually identify them.

817
01:00:19,020 --> 01:00:21,420
like with a full number, an address,

818
01:00:21,940 --> 01:00:24,800
a physical location, because as you may know,

819
01:00:24,980 --> 01:00:27,660
with Airbnb, like there's a bubble, right?

820
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,900
And so they've eliminated what they think

821
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:32,180
are duplicates from Airbnb and VRBO,

822
01:00:32,380 --> 01:00:34,140
to get to this 500 somewhat number.

823
01:00:34,460 --> 01:00:37,240
But then, they need to drill down

824
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,940
and genuinely find the people that are that STR.

825
01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:42,660
And that's how they have the 426.

826
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:47,000
I think there's 10% more under our 80, 90.

827
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:49,840
exactly

828
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:59,400
okay and then thirty six thousand two hundred so we have not quite yet

829
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:06,720
paid for rent is that right it was thirty seven kind of thirty two thirty

830
01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:14,940
all of the first round of letters compliance letters are sent on to me

831
01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:18,820
the second round of letters was recently approved.

832
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:31,720
Have any of the 90 unidentified rentals become identifying through, I guess, volunteering to register?

833
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:36,420
I think that's where the compliance number comes in.

834
01:01:37,020 --> 01:01:38,760
I don't think there's any volunteering.

835
01:01:45,850 --> 01:01:53,390
So then the second piece of this is the carry Rebecca and myself, that was a competitor of

836
01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:54,310
Granicus.

837
01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:59,270
I think I sent you all about information.

838
01:02:00,610 --> 01:02:04,150
So the Granicus, we're in our first year of the contract.

839
01:02:04,310 --> 01:02:05,350
I did 20 seconds.

840
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:05,990
I did 20 seconds.

841
01:02:06,690 --> 01:02:09,870
But so we paid them for the first year and nothing happened.

842
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:10,250
Correct.

843
01:02:11,830 --> 01:02:16,690
Which was partly our fault because we didn't have an ordinance filled.

844
01:02:17,570 --> 01:02:22,230
However, we thought they were going to be helping us with the ordinance.

845
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:25,790
So contract ends at the end of the year?

846
01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:26,610
And...

847
01:02:26,610 --> 01:02:27,910
I wonder if you're a contract?

848
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:31,980
Oh, there we are.

849
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:34,800
The renewal is in November.

850
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:36,980
November 1.

851
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:37,740
We're gonna get this?

852
01:02:39,460 --> 01:02:43,280
So we've had an ordinance for a little less than a year.

853
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:47,060
When do we pass an February, when do we pass a March period?

854
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:53,520
But there was a date that was wrong, long, and then you had to push it out 30 days to...

855
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:54,900
Oh, it's like, December 17th.

856
01:02:55,140 --> 01:02:56,700
It takes the date or something.

857
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:58,240
They're coming up on the one-year anniversary.

858
01:03:00,060 --> 01:03:00,300
Right.

859
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,940
So we paid granted this for the year prior to that while we were working on the ordinance.

860
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:05,080
Right.

861
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,680
And are you really should not have no?

862
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:17,080
The reason I'm raised it is because, at least as it was described to me, it was a two-year project.

863
01:03:17,420 --> 01:03:18,480
The ordinance.

864
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,860
Sunset in one more year.

865
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:23,600
September of 2007.

866
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:24,320
Yes.

867
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:31,780
So that we will look at whether or not we want to continue it, change it.

868
01:03:31,780 --> 01:03:35,080
What have we gathered for the, what have we learned?

869
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:43,920
So we shouldn't necessarily sign a contract that goes beyond September 17th, 2027 if the

870
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:49,500
ordinance sunsets then without our further action, I wouldn't think.

871
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,640
We have not completed the mission.

872
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:10,860
We have not completed the mission and the process has been brought with challenges.

873
01:04:10,860 --> 01:04:20,860
Yeah. So we were approached by a competitor of grannicus to Lennie with an alternative

874
01:04:20,860 --> 01:04:25,320
platform, a very different approach.

875
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,760
Certainly much easier to understand from our perspective.

876
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,770
And similar to cost,

877
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:43,550
sorry guys, I am still sharing.

878
01:04:44,050 --> 01:04:49,470
Not to rehash too much, so what is the information that we thought we were going to get that we still haven't cut?

879
01:04:50,130 --> 01:04:50,750
If we know that there's-

880
01:04:50,750 --> 01:04:53,230
For sure, to be getting to like 90% compliance.

881
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:59,870
And when we get to 90% compliance, we will have a series of data from those units.

882
01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:01,710
How many bedrooms are they?

883
01:05:01,710 --> 01:05:09,550
What are they, what do they cost, what type of structure are they, like, I don't even know what I don't know, but all of those things.

884
01:05:09,590 --> 01:05:11,850
What more detail than just how many there are.

885
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:17,550
Right, and so the idea being that, and Jim Johnson.

886
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:18,530
This isn't shared.

887
01:05:18,650 --> 01:05:20,450
A time, this isn't shared.

888
01:05:20,530 --> 01:05:21,950
Yeah, do you share it through the camera?

889
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:23,850
Do they stop sharing somehow?

890
01:05:25,110 --> 01:05:32,960
That's, maybe this is a question for you because it's more of a planning question, but once we find out,

891
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,540
how many rooms there are for rent in the...

892
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:36,760
So not that one though.

893
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:38,880
Five hundred and...

894
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,680
Well, I won sixty now.

895
01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:45,460
Well, so are they, this is them, if I can jump in.

896
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:54,380
So, so does, what they've identified, those 400 or so strs, we know everything, we're going to know about them right now.

897
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,080
Do that.

898
01:05:55,380 --> 01:05:55,580
Okay.

899
01:05:55,820 --> 01:05:58,560
We know how many bedrooms, we know all that information.

900
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:08,100
we don't know about and then there's like the other 20% and that's a matter of taking

901
01:06:08,100 --> 01:06:14,140
the advertisement and figuring out how to tie it back into the grand list. I don't think

902
01:06:14,140 --> 01:06:18,920
granic has ever said that they were going to do that. They did say that their success rate

903
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:27,700
would be better. In my view that's why we have a short-term administrators that we need someone

904
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:33,540
go in manually and take that 20 percent and make it 100 percent.

905
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:43,480
I think what I'm struggling with here is our, you know, compliance rate is really should,

906
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:48,420
I think should be our focus, is that we've got to get those that we know about and we've

907
01:06:48,420 --> 01:06:49,340
got to get them registered.

908
01:06:50,980 --> 01:07:01,440
So we, if the final destination, the final goal, assuming there's 560 units, which is just

909
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:09,560
426 divided by 0.815, there's 560 units, we already know all the beds and all the bathrooms

910
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,700
and all the parking in 426 of them, is the goal to know.

911
01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:16,560
I don't know if that's true but okay.

912
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:17,680
Well it's what Jim just said.

913
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,500
I don't know. Jim, where are you getting that equation?

914
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,080
I just go to the host complaint site.

915
01:07:26,580 --> 01:07:26,700
Okay.

916
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,940
And that information resides in that database.

917
01:07:33,420 --> 01:07:49,000
And so the end goal would be to have all that information for the 560, so that the planning commission could then make decisions about expansion, new growth of units or what's the kind of goal.

918
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,980
I mean, I think it's interesting.

919
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,620
The goal was kind of from the original white paper

920
01:07:55,620 --> 01:07:57,600
from the Madder Rebellion Plan District.

921
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,420
Now it's to understand, okay, what's the impact

922
01:08:00,420 --> 01:08:03,600
of this business, this type of business

923
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,700
on our housing?

924
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,580
And so we wanted to try to be able to understand,

925
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,860
okay, how many long-term rentals were converted?

926
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,520
How does that affect price and market?

927
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:44,660
That will, you can, you can kind of tease that out of this information, but it doesn't answer its straight up. It will be more subjective than it will be qualitative, or quantitative, so, um, and that, that work kind of remains to be done as the analysis of, okay, what's this impact on our housing and how would, how would we, if we, if we would do something different, what would we do?

928
01:08:44,660 --> 01:08:51,000
Right, I mean and how many let and other things like how many of these units are owned by

929
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,280
the same

930
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:58,920
Corporation and where it's shorter version. Right, right like are these independent people living here who

931
01:08:59,660 --> 01:09:03,600
rent out their house part-time or are people buying these

932
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:06,960
converting them from long-term rentals or

933
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:12,920
full-time homes into short-term rentals. There's a fair amount. So diamonds rigged on there is

934
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:31,400
Right, so it's one of the biggest pieces of that that I think and the Jew has been having this conversation last

935
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:37,500
for one who's analyzing this data and that question remains. Who's analyzing this data?

936
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:50,840
I think we intended for the SDR administrator to start to be compiling this data, but the majority of their time has been spent just trying to build compliance.

937
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:58,800
And we're so far from having compliance that we don't really have enough of specific owner data.

938
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,280
And that's the thing, Jim, that we don't know about this for 126 units, right?

939
01:10:03,340 --> 01:10:06,520
We don't know if 12 of them are owned by NLC,

940
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,760
based in Salt Lake City, Utah, right?

941
01:10:09,980 --> 01:10:13,320
But if your goal is to try and deduce,

942
01:10:13,460 --> 01:10:15,900
since you probably can't quantitatively do it anyway,

943
01:10:16,460 --> 01:10:21,840
to do see impact on housing, if it's at one bedroom and mountainside,

944
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,900
that's very different than renting a four bedroom house

945
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:27,620
that somebody could live in full time, right?

946
01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:39,340
So if we knew that of the 500, 400, 460 were one bedroom apartments, it's not really much of an impact on the housing.

947
01:10:39,820 --> 01:10:46,700
So that is the kind of thing that this company told me, they have two products.

948
01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:50,900
They have this compliance module called slate, and we get this one.

949
01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:53,520
or sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep.

950
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,200
Which is basically what grandacus is running across.

951
01:10:56,620 --> 01:11:00,020
They identify these units, they send out letters,

952
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,880
they build compliance, they provide the platform

953
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,880
for people to register, they're a platform allows

954
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,480
for a user to create an identity,

955
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,680
to have their own account, to update modified change.

956
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:13,280
It's really user friendly from the way they presented it.

957
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:17,460
The second piece that they offer is what they call building blocks.

958
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:21,920
And that building blocks is what allows for the data analysis.

959
01:11:23,380 --> 01:11:26,100
And you can tell it to do anything you want.

960
01:11:26,780 --> 01:11:31,880
And that he gets saying to us, you know, you don't ask us how to do a specific thing.

961
01:11:32,020 --> 01:11:36,780
Tell us what you want to know and we'll tell you how to get to knowing that.

962
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:42,560
Right? So if what you want to know is what percentage of these are one veteran conscious, they can tell us that.

963
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,700
what percentage of these are owned by LLCs.

964
01:11:45,820 --> 01:11:48,820
And then they have a way to, like, know that an LLC

965
01:11:48,820 --> 01:11:51,200
will sometimes own multiple properties,

966
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:53,180
but under, like, subsidiary LLCs,

967
01:11:53,260 --> 01:11:55,020
and they all track back to the same one.

968
01:11:55,220 --> 01:11:56,640
So one of the things that we're wondering

969
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:59,140
is, like, are people find these as investment properties

970
01:11:59,140 --> 01:12:02,420
and taking them out of the full-time residential market?

971
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:09,140
So this data analysis piece is what we will continue

972
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:10,120
to struggle with.

973
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,920
However, we aren't even there because we cannot get compliance.

974
01:12:16,130 --> 01:12:16,510
And that's the point.

975
01:12:16,510 --> 01:12:18,770
Yeah, I mean, I guess I'm just struggling with,

976
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,960
do we sign up for something that sounds really good?

977
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:28,680
If it's on sets, and do we really want to continue it

978
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,180
beyond September 17th, 2027?

979
01:12:32,860 --> 01:12:37,600
If, like, if we have the data for the majority of it,

980
01:12:37,940 --> 01:12:40,380
should we be spending our time trying to find the other 90,

981
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:42,240
and then doing the analysis ourselves,

982
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:49,220
do we want to sign a contract? Somebody. So here's what I hear my thoughts on that. I think

983
01:12:49,220 --> 01:12:55,260
we are not doing a good job of building compliance internally. Whether or not the S-ER administrator

984
01:12:55,260 --> 01:13:00,780
should or should not be able to do that, it isn't happening. So I don't think it's appropriate

985
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:12,220
to rely on that position to do so. I think we may admit through both the ordinance and to the

986
01:13:12,220 --> 01:13:15,480
or what we can about our SDRs.

987
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,060
This is something that the whole valley is wanting to know.

988
01:13:18,380 --> 01:13:19,820
Like what is this picture here?

989
01:13:20,300 --> 01:13:21,840
I think we owe it to our constituents

990
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,220
to follow through on that project.

991
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,540
If it's a matter of the ordinance, not matching off

992
01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:28,300
with a November one deadline,

993
01:13:28,700 --> 01:13:31,520
I would say, extend the ordinance to November one.

994
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,600
If that's the date that we were new to contract.

995
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,100
So to your point, we have a full year of data collection

996
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,040
and analysis.

997
01:13:41,860 --> 01:13:46,840
where I don't know what we should do, so those are my thoughts. I think we should at least

998
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:48,540
continue this for another year.

999
01:13:48,700 --> 01:13:54,840
I agree. That's just a question of, do we analyze the data ourselves or do we sign a contract

1000
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:55,720
with it on their firm?

1001
01:13:55,880 --> 01:14:02,980
So here's where I want to help us answer that question. And I think Jim does too. Although we

1002
01:14:02,980 --> 01:14:08,620
may have different approaches. So Jim wrote us an email arguing that this is information that

1003
01:14:08,620 --> 01:14:13,720
available through NEMRAC and that the SDR administrator could be doing this work. Is that

1004
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:14,860
approximately correct, Jim?

1005
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,640
I'm kind of kind of kind of, but will you kind of...

1006
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:28,880
I believe the role of it SDR really needs to be expanded. I... and it needs to... that's...

1007
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,200
So I think it's paying more money for the SDR administrator to do those things, right?

1008
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:44,040
Or you look at a potentially a different product, and there are, for what we understand, maybe

1009
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:49,340
three, to let me record, which you mentioned, last time, and grandfaces.

1010
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:56,960
To let me, has made us a financial offer of the slate, which is building compliance in the

1011
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,780
registry and the building blocks.

1012
01:15:00,210 --> 01:15:12,190
For the same amount as the Renewal for with grandkids, but it includes the data analysis. It also includes a wave to the $1,000 onboarding fee.

1013
01:15:13,470 --> 01:15:22,370
And they can take all of the data from the grandkids, move it into their platform. People who already have an account will just have to change their password.

1014
01:15:23,330 --> 01:15:25,210
Well, I mean, I guess

1015
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:32,580
you're building a lot of infrastructure with a telling me that I guess

1016
01:15:32,580 --> 01:15:35,960
it's not clear to me we've decided we wouldn't want to keep.

1017
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:46,850
And then you're going to say that these 560 STR owners set up an account, pay us money, fill out

1018
01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:47,850
all the paperwork,

1019
01:15:50,300 --> 01:15:57,120
but it winds up in a year and there's no repercussions and necessarily

1020
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:04,240
of not doing it. So well, the repercussions, according to our conversations, should we need to

1021
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:10,820
do the work of can we just apply those violations to the tax bill? That would be the best

1022
01:16:10,820 --> 01:16:15,700
right? That's how they see it done most effectively, which I think is what parents are just saying,

1023
01:16:15,820 --> 01:16:21,340
right? Like something. Yeah, you have to tack it onto the tax bill, because the mean doesn't

1024
01:16:21,340 --> 01:16:23,440
never get paid until the property sells, right?

1025
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:26,320
And then it could be a deterrent and it could bite you in the book.

1026
01:16:27,340 --> 01:16:30,240
So I think you're right.

1027
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,760
There's this element of like this all requires this infrastructure

1028
01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:40,460
of registration and oversight that we very well could say

1029
01:16:40,460 --> 01:16:42,860
we aren't interested in this and we don't want to do the same

1030
01:16:42,860 --> 01:16:43,320
more.

1031
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,300
What we see them using these platforms for our

1032
01:16:47,300 --> 01:16:50,720
communities that are tourist industries or large cities.

1033
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:58,100
And then the platform is an opportunity for both the owners of the units to like check up on how things are doing.

1034
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:01,720
So let me with sort of telling us like they can see when

1035
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,740
what complaints were made, like say they own five SDRs.

1036
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:13,720
And someone called the state police and said there's like something crazy is going on at this property.

1037
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,200
and so itself.

1038
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:20,660
That gets registered into the tele-system, but doesn't necessarily get reported to the people

1039
01:17:20,660 --> 01:17:21,600
who own the unit.

1040
01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:26,260
So they can sort of track and follow their own properties through the system.

1041
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:33,980
But more importantly, from moving into municipalities, perspective, over time, you start to see,

1042
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,860
like, what is mine and selling?

1043
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,580
What is becoming STRs?

1044
01:17:37,580 --> 01:17:39,000
What is it becoming STRs?

1045
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:40,240
Are they compliant?

1046
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,340
It becomes a revenue stream.

1047
01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:47,660
and a way to hold people accountable for misbehavior.

1048
01:17:48,260 --> 01:17:49,280
Did I get the wrong one?

1049
01:17:49,740 --> 01:17:50,320
Yep.

1050
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:52,620
What's the misbehavior?

1051
01:17:53,060 --> 01:17:56,320
Well, they're all kinds of misbehators that people are very concerned about.

1052
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:57,060
Yes, yes.

1053
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,180
Is that kind of misbehavior?

1054
01:18:00,180 --> 01:18:00,440
Yes.

1055
01:18:00,780 --> 01:18:06,480
You have complaints, garbage being left, light being left on, you name it.

1056
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:10,960
So this isn't just a planning commission data gathering exercise,

1057
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:13,660
there's...

1058
01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:24,520
Well, the planning commission presented with Blackboard with a, hey, we would like to know what's happening in the world of STRs

1059
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:30,900
and they pushed for a certain level of regulation of STRs as well.

1060
01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:36,180
The board at that time pushed back on the regulation piece, saying,

1061
01:18:36,620 --> 01:18:40,240
why are we regulating a thing that we don't yet understand?

1062
01:18:40,700 --> 01:18:43,900
Are we imposing regulations unnecessarily?

1063
01:18:44,660 --> 01:18:47,780
Are we forecasting problems we don't have?

1064
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:49,540
That doesn't seem fair.

1065
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,640
We sold this as we want to know what's going on.

1066
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:55,040
So let's actually just know what's going on.

1067
01:18:55,460 --> 01:19:00,300
And once we do, we can get a better picture of how many fire calls are there

1068
01:19:00,300 --> 01:19:03,360
to this one STR, and what does that mean?

1069
01:19:03,380 --> 01:19:04,820
Do they have their license revotes?

1070
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,140
How do we do with that, right?

1071
01:19:08,140 --> 01:19:10,800
So to your point about the system,

1072
01:19:12,910 --> 01:19:13,990
if we commit

1073
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:17,570
defining the information, are we also willing

1074
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:20,430
to commit to doing something about it?

1075
01:19:20,670 --> 01:19:21,810
Well, I think that's the question

1076
01:19:21,810 --> 01:19:23,970
if we're going to do it.

1077
01:19:24,010 --> 01:19:26,850
It seems like either, either we sunset it

1078
01:19:26,850 --> 01:19:29,810
or we commit to commit to it

1079
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:33,950
and committing to it is a real commitment, like it's going to be a lot of work.

1080
01:19:36,370 --> 01:19:42,970
I think eventually it could be a lot of work. I think what we weren't really hoping for was a

1081
01:19:42,970 --> 01:19:48,070
platform that did the majority of that work for us. I mean, making it to tax bills a compliance

1082
01:19:48,070 --> 01:19:55,970
I. All of that are valuable with this system that we were just talking to people about this

1083
01:19:55,970 --> 01:20:02,430
to let me. And I felt like I knew what questions to ask going into that meeting because we had

1084
01:20:02,430 --> 01:20:13,330
so many conversations about how botched this is then. And to your point, I am not terribly

1085
01:20:13,330 --> 01:20:19,810
interested in STRs. It doesn't seem like it's a select board question. I mean this is really,

1086
01:20:20,370 --> 01:20:24,610
what point does it go back to the planning commission? Because it's really a planning commission question.

1087
01:20:25,670 --> 01:20:32,350
I appreciate that the Plenty Commission brought to the select board for budgetary and the

1088
01:20:32,350 --> 01:20:35,910
light, but at the end of the day it's not a select board question, this is a planning

1089
01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:41,310
commission question if it's about impacts on housing, about planning around housing, if

1090
01:20:41,310 --> 01:20:45,310
it's on, how is that a select board question?

1091
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:57,820
You're right, Harvey, it's not a select board item under those conditions.

1092
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:04,240
It is one as far as, okay, you've chosen to regulate it, you know, you've chosen to put

1093
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:06,800
regulations in there around fire and safety.

1094
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:12,520
You guys, you know, we don't own that, you own that, and you also own it from a revenue point

1095
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:13,020
of view.

1096
01:21:13,020 --> 01:21:22,060
And whether or not you're going to leverage it as a possible, you know, form of form of additional revenue for the town.

1097
01:21:23,100 --> 01:21:29,040
But around housing impact and planning around housing, that's, I think you're right.

1098
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:33,800
It falls back on the planning commission to say, okay, do we have the right data?

1099
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:38,020
And how are we going to analyze it?

1100
01:21:38,860 --> 01:21:41,020
I see, but you're right from a...

1101
01:21:41,020 --> 01:21:47,560
Regular to our point perspective. That's a select board question. There's also the piece that reminded me, Jim

1102
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,100
I don't know. I haven't thought of it. You know, there was a significant

1103
01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:57,480
Way in from our bed and breakfast and in community saying, you know, like we we are regulated

1104
01:21:58,900 --> 01:22:00,740
extensively and these

1105
01:22:00,740 --> 01:22:07,360
Yes, yours are operating outside of all of those regulations and our businesses are failing and suffering

1106
01:22:08,180 --> 01:22:08,700
Please

1107
01:22:08,700 --> 01:22:11,480
You've got to let's find out what they're all doing here.

1108
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:14,520
And Ken, you please try and help us.

1109
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:17,760
Do they have to pay the hotel nine.

1110
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:19,800
They pay the meals and rooms, yeah.

1111
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:22,380
But that's it.

1112
01:22:22,380 --> 01:22:23,060
12 percent.

1113
01:22:23,580 --> 01:22:24,800
12 percent for air babies.

1114
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:26,940
So they pay more.

1115
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:28,960
Or yeah, I think now they do.

1116
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:29,960
So it's nine plus.

1117
01:22:30,180 --> 01:23:00,160
Yeah, that's new, miss. Right. Right. From the start of year and a half. Yeah. And however, they aren't held to code compliance, right? So there's no fire safety code that's saying, you, your stairs have to be like accessible, you can, it's those wires, like any sprinklers, fire extinguishers. So I don't know that we need to answer this question right now, but what I was proposing in my email and I think what Jim and I have talked about,

1118
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:06,220
is to the point of this really is like a select board and a PC project.

1119
01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:14,360
It would be great if someone else wanted to take up the mantle on this one and have a

1120
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:19,600
second meeting along with Jim and maybe another member from the planning to mention one

1121
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:26,440
or two of you and talk with this other company to let me and maybe you follow up instead

1122
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:33,180
me with graticists and and have the conversations that Jim I think would like to talk about

1123
01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:38,040
as well with respect to doing it in an alternative form which is sort of more the lot, the

1124
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:44,120
route that we feel is taken where they're hiring someone to do this work internally through

1125
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:52,040
the systems that we already have. What the data collection or do this? The data collection

1126
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,760
and the compliance and analysis piece.

1127
01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:56,940
Yes, Terry.

1128
01:24:00,300 --> 01:24:01,600
We're to start.

1129
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,500
It seems to me, it seems to me that the data,

1130
01:24:08,500 --> 01:24:12,620
with only 30% compliance is kind of the relevant.

1131
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:17,540
Maybe unless you're going to try to extrapolate from 30%

1132
01:24:17,540 --> 01:24:20,900
like polling, okay, 30% is this, this and this,

1133
01:24:20,900 --> 01:24:27,660
we can expect, you know, so really it's compliance to get more people to register.

1134
01:24:29,020 --> 01:24:38,620
And then I think the kind of the question from the Airbnb owner side, I guess, those,

1135
01:24:38,620 --> 01:24:44,820
again, those who have paid versus those who haven't, you know, that's kind of a sticky

1136
01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:54,860
it there. And then our folks who kind of said I'm not doing that and you know not paying

1137
01:24:54,860 --> 01:25:00,820
the 200 and I'm just going to run my show anyway, are they going to pay you know back

1138
01:25:00,820 --> 01:25:06,840
finds and you know penalties and what have you or we're just going to kind of go well

1139
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:14,740
let's just start over. I think I think they should pay back for anything. I think the issue

1140
01:25:14,740 --> 01:25:22,220
has been rolling out how we do that. The conversation with Selemi was around like look we're

1141
01:25:22,220 --> 01:25:26,240
going to sit down with you during onboarding and we're going to build these letters and we're

1142
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,240
going to build these templates. Like we're going to give you a template, you're going to add

1143
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:35,540
them and you're going to give them to us and they live with us. And then each STR is dealt with independently.

1144
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:43,520
So the we see a red mercy on their email, they're going to like the time starts ticking and if they

1145
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,560
register in two weeks, we're going to send them the next letter and it's not about sending

1146
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:52,860
it to everybody at the same time. It's very much independent registries being handled and their

1147
01:25:52,860 --> 01:25:58,040
system does this all automatically, which is very different from what brand this has been doing.

1148
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:02,660
Right. And then, part of it, because I hear a brand that is mentioned in the law,

1149
01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:07,360
it seems like the level of enthusiasm for those focuses.

1150
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:15,720
But we have a follow-up meeting with them, what we don't see from their platform is the

1151
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,020
dead analysis piece.

1152
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:22,320
But forget about that because it's time for renewal, right?

1153
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,960
So maybe they're showing a little more attention.

1154
01:26:26,340 --> 01:26:26,580
Yeah.

1155
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:28,080
They want to keep our business.

1156
01:26:28,460 --> 01:26:28,720
Right.

1157
01:26:30,020 --> 01:26:33,700
But is there a subtle chance in whatever that you would stay with them?

1158
01:26:33,700 --> 01:26:37,960
on that is a board decision, if it were up to just me, how am I?

1159
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:45,320
Right, so that's kind of, kind of first things first, you know, is there any scenario that

1160
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:46,340
you would stay with granted?

1161
01:26:46,540 --> 01:26:52,700
So the answer is no from everybody, then okay, I think it's hard no, cross the board.

1162
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,980
I'm just reading the room.

1163
01:26:56,500 --> 01:27:01,200
So I'm not so much jumping here, you guys have to explain yourself as to why you think

1164
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,080
is not doing what they're supposed to do.

1165
01:27:04,780 --> 01:27:08,160
Because if you go to their database,

1166
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:10,680
they've done everything they said they were going to do.

1167
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,700
I haven't been interfacing with them regularly, Jim,

1168
01:27:15,860 --> 01:27:18,180
so I would need carried to sleep on that behalf.

1169
01:27:18,260 --> 01:27:20,260
I think there was delays in letters,

1170
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,600
because this rolled out almost a year ago,

1171
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,260
and then I think there was a...

1172
01:27:27,260 --> 01:27:29,960
But I don't think you can blame that on crannicus.

1173
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:35,280
So I just hope that everybody could think about what really is wrong here.

1174
01:27:35,620 --> 01:27:39,820
I'm not an advocate of grandkids from by one means.

1175
01:27:40,740 --> 01:27:45,400
But I think we need to look at it a little bit more closely to make sure that,

1176
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:49,120
you know, what have they failed? What have they failed to deliver?

1177
01:27:50,260 --> 01:27:54,880
Well, Jim, I would love for you to participate in our follow-up call with them.

1178
01:27:55,820 --> 01:27:59,200
Yeah, I would do that. I'd offer that all along.

1179
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:03,520
I haven't seen an invitation, but I would do that.

1180
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:05,680
I don't know how you said it eight.

1181
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,480
I think he just means a general.

1182
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:12,400
From past meetings, it sounded like I heard comments that you guys would come to ignore it.

1183
01:28:13,020 --> 01:28:15,960
Yeah, if Harry said over and over again, they don't pick up the phone.

1184
01:28:15,980 --> 01:28:19,460
They don't get back to our chase days and days and days for them to respond.

1185
01:28:19,940 --> 01:28:24,980
Then they say they're going to send letters and they sent three and so it's three hundred and then all the things.

1186
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,820
So, if Jen is not familiar with all of that, that's just kind of important.

1187
01:28:30,980 --> 01:28:33,760
Well, Perry, that's a different thing, right?

1188
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:39,440
That was taking another vendor to package called freeforms or whatever it's called,

1189
01:28:39,660 --> 01:28:42,020
and integrating it into the granicous platform.

1190
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,200
And so, really, we're talking two different things here.

1191
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:52,000
And I don't know that we ever, I guess I'd have to go back and look at the contract.

1192
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:57,720
and it did it say that Brandicus would integrate free forms into their database and do this

1193
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:06,120
stuff for us. Or did we just not pay for the Brandicus piece of the package that did all this

1194
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:11,700
stuff with their forms? I'm not sure. I mean, I think these are questions Kerry needs to answer.

1195
01:29:12,100 --> 01:29:17,660
You know, that's what we have in STR Administrator. I think Kerry needs to come back to the board

1196
01:29:17,660 --> 01:29:23,820
and give us her perspective on this because this is what her job is. That's the whole point.

1197
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:30,640
Well, um, I think that's valuable. I, I, I don't want to spend too much more time on this

1198
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:36,240
because we're sort of running behind and I hear you Jim and I, I think you have some good points.

1199
01:29:37,420 --> 01:29:44,820
So what I would really love to come out of this with is a commitment from one or two of our board members

1200
01:29:44,820 --> 01:29:50,740
and some one or some to from the planning commission that can sort of take up the

1201
01:29:50,740 --> 01:29:51,480
manual on this.

1202
01:29:51,620 --> 01:29:57,600
Camilla was really running this and I had a quite a full plate prior to her leaving and

1203
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,900
I just don't have time to be scared of anything else.

1204
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,060
But I do think it's valuable. I think we need to rely on carried. We'll then need to be happy.

1205
01:30:07,620 --> 01:30:21,540
I just want one more thing. And just for your consideration, we don't need to discuss it. But I think we should think about the compliance part of this, just like the delinquent tax collector.

1206
01:30:21,540 --> 01:30:34,840
And can we ask our Delinquent Tax Collector to add, you know, Delinquent Registration STI Registration to their plate and, you know, compensate them accordingly and think about it that way.

1207
01:30:40,900 --> 01:30:43,820
It is that the best way of doing it, the tax thing.

1208
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:46,580
Well, I think that

1209
01:30:49,550 --> 01:30:53,670
just putting that out there that maybe there, maybe we can get help in another way.

1210
01:30:58,150 --> 01:31:03,130
I think that as far as what would go on the textiles that would be relying on our treasure

1211
01:31:03,130 --> 01:31:08,290
order to do, and I think that's from the conversation we had at least with Tlamini,

1212
01:31:08,490 --> 01:31:13,210
that's easy to do, like they report the findings in their attached to properties and you add

1213
01:31:13,210 --> 01:31:13,990
it to the textiles.

1214
01:31:14,270 --> 01:31:21,210
To me, if we're setting up accounts by individual taxpayer, that's something that would be

1215
01:31:21,210 --> 01:31:31,070
for the town to do period. So to the extent we have 3,500 taxpayers to the extent we can

1216
01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:37,430
have each of them set up an account and 560 them have short-term rentals to have that be a

1217
01:31:37,430 --> 01:31:41,310
sub-set of that account. I think that would be extremely valuable for the town so people can

1218
01:31:41,310 --> 01:31:46,310
go online and look at what their taxes are and how they're calculated and what the variables are,

1219
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:49,370
what they were assessed at and what it was last assessed.

1220
01:31:50,570 --> 01:31:52,170
Is this the thing that is this?

1221
01:31:52,450 --> 01:31:52,770
Sure.

1222
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:54,330
It would be easy to create.

1223
01:31:55,070 --> 01:32:01,270
So to the extent, we're asking people to have accounts with passwords and IDs and all

1224
01:32:01,270 --> 01:32:05,170
our estimate, I would think that's something we should think about for the town and

1225
01:32:05,170 --> 01:32:11,370
if STR is a tab on that account, that's great.

1226
01:32:11,370 --> 01:32:15,730
And also that makes it very easy to add past two.

1227
01:32:16,030 --> 01:32:16,330
Right.

1228
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:18,390
Yes, to our bills to there.

1229
01:32:18,690 --> 01:32:22,350
So I think there's a little bit to what Jim is saying.

1230
01:32:22,710 --> 01:32:26,650
And also what Shans comment was in the chat that, you know,

1231
01:32:26,750 --> 01:32:31,390
power of people doing this does a system like that exist.

1232
01:32:31,450 --> 01:32:33,810
And that's how other communities are solving it.

1233
01:32:34,610 --> 01:32:36,730
We need to find out.

1234
01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:39,950
And does the board have the power to do it?

1235
01:32:39,950 --> 01:32:41,170
Or the desire.

1236
01:32:42,050 --> 01:32:46,010
Well, does that, do you know that the board has the power to stick that out on the text?

1237
01:32:47,190 --> 01:32:49,070
Oh, that's a little bit of a little bit.

1238
01:32:49,610 --> 01:32:50,970
Yeah, yeah.

1239
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:59,050
But so I'm not hearing any interest from the three of you on following up with this.

1240
01:32:59,150 --> 01:33:03,250
Honestly, I think I have the same understanding of this as my dog at a vet appointment.

1241
01:33:03,890 --> 01:33:07,650
There's a lot of words, but I don't know what is happening there.

1242
01:33:07,650 --> 01:33:11,110
I feel that way with this a lot too.

1243
01:33:13,290 --> 01:33:13,490
No.

1244
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:15,900
No.

1245
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:16,760
No.

1246
01:33:18,020 --> 01:33:19,840
I don't know how that means for us.

1247
01:33:22,250 --> 01:33:23,610
We have to pay somebody to do it.

1248
01:33:23,770 --> 01:33:24,310
That's what it means.

1249
01:33:26,460 --> 01:33:29,120
Okay. Well, why don't we discuss that in the executive session here?

1250
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,880
And Jim, if you'd like to be part of that portion of executive session, we would welcome that.

1251
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,980
Can we move on from this year?

1252
01:33:44,440 --> 01:33:50,400
Okay, I'm going to bump Shannon up with the time capsule because she has to put her child

1253
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,880
to bed before we talk about timehouse steps.

1254
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:54,020
That's okay.

1255
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,200
We put out a couple of seats.

1256
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,840
We look at, we're very busy with how to have a capsule.

1257
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:06,620
And everyone has taken a look, Shannon, would you like to say a few words?

1258
01:34:07,900 --> 01:34:11,500
Why did I say what? Let's see here.

1259
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:19,700
Quick update and then we'll ask the capsule gets sealed on Thursday night and it goes

1260
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:25,640
in the ground on Saturday at 3 p.m., contributions came in all August, letters, arts, small

1261
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:32,720
objects, stuff I have no idea what it is. Kids and inklings roll all sorts of letters and

1262
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:38,260
other things. I'm going to kindergarten class tomorrow to do some postcards with those kids

1263
01:34:38,260 --> 01:34:43,880
and on location. I know a few sites were marked, then I hope you guys got a chance to look at that.

1264
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,800
And I want to make a case for the ground, actually, for one of the Blair Barn.

1265
01:34:49,340 --> 01:34:53,620
And the reason for that is that the Barn already holds its own town history and itself,

1266
01:34:53,680 --> 01:34:58,660
and it's where we keep our own town history and putting the capsule there.

1267
01:34:58,660 --> 01:35:03,900
adds one more layer, and it says something true that our paths and our future belongs in the same place,

1268
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:09,480
and it can kick careport by the same people. So, practically the marker would sit in the existing

1269
01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:14,940
garden area, and it needs almost no maintenance at all, maybe someone brush off some things occasionally.

1270
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:21,080
It's close to the center of town where people pass every day, and that last part is what I care about most,

1271
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:26,520
because a town that buries a time capsule, is making a claim that someone will be standing there in 50 years

1272
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:32,180
open it but that's not a small thing to say a lab right now but a marker will be something that people

1273
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:38,560
walk past and it means that we keep saying that so whatever you choose, I'm grateful that this is all

1274
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:45,560
happening but I'd like a last one thank you. I love the Blair Bar and Location.

1275
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:47,220
I'll see you in a moment.

1276
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:50,220
I think we're all on agreement, that's the place to go.

1277
01:35:50,700 --> 01:35:52,560
And I think Jim, we...

1278
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:57,000
Oh my god.

1279
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:57,880
I did it.

1280
01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:59,180
You get that word, Jim.

1281
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:01,600
What we can have.

1282
01:36:01,620 --> 01:36:04,120
We'll have John joined the meet on that.

1283
01:36:04,980 --> 01:36:05,760
Oh, that's funny.

1284
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:08,340
Jim, we had chatted prior, too.

1285
01:36:08,440 --> 01:36:09,120
Hi, Dad.

1286
01:36:09,700 --> 01:36:12,160
Um, about Barry and you're the Blair Barron.

1287
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,240
I think you had expressed your support for that as well, right?

1288
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:16,660
Sure.

1289
01:36:16,660 --> 01:36:17,340
or perhaps solid.

1290
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,780
OK, we'll do one final check of our wastewater system.

1291
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:23,780
That was a public safe.

1292
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:27,920
Make sure and, OK, called it safe.

1293
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:29,380
Oh yeah, I think she's no wire or something.

1294
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,800
Yeah, I mean, living in that clothes.

1295
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:32,720
Who knows, who knows?

1296
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,240
We need to public safe now.

1297
01:36:35,860 --> 01:36:37,380
Maybe the meaning, maybe the meaning.

1298
01:36:38,580 --> 01:36:39,800
Maybe the meaning.

1299
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:40,980
All right, cool.

1300
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,480
I think we're good on that, Jen.

1301
01:36:42,940 --> 01:36:46,220
The only other piece of this is the digging,

1302
01:36:46,220 --> 01:36:55,320
the actual act of date will, Rebecca, you had said Charlie would be willing to date if it were out there.

1303
01:36:55,580 --> 01:36:58,460
Okay, we went and loved and couldn't find any sense of mark.

1304
01:36:58,460 --> 01:37:01,920
It's up past the shed, it's up the road.

1305
01:37:02,180 --> 01:37:03,860
Oh, like way off in the woods.

1306
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:05,380
Oh, we don't think so.

1307
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:09,140
So he's not willing to date, even though his equipment won't be here.

1308
01:37:09,660 --> 01:37:11,290
If it's not, I can call him to our last him.

1309
01:37:12,380 --> 01:37:14,640
But I think he just saved here since he was already up there.

1310
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:19,080
Yeah, I wonder if he would be willing to come down here.

1311
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,540
Yeah, the machines are ready to go down and have a back home.

1312
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,420
The town does have a back home, Jeremiah.

1313
01:37:31,710 --> 01:37:40,470
They do, they do, I don't, it's really big. At least one, that's true, it's too big. I will knock up all the stuff.

1314
01:37:43,890 --> 01:37:53,030
I did speak with Ed Reed. He said if he could find someone to do it, he would be willing to do it. I can follow up with him. Did you talk with Kate and Kate?

1315
01:37:53,030 --> 01:38:00,870
He didn't really give me a full answer, so I will reach out to Charlie from our own CFP's willing to bring his equipment down here

1316
01:38:00,870 --> 01:38:05,270
Okay, because it is significantly smaller than what the bio-dear is.

1317
01:38:06,350 --> 01:38:08,170
I mean, how big a hole were we talking to?

1318
01:38:08,250 --> 01:38:13,130
It's a little bare on the top, but I have a third of the outer barrel, let's see about this one.

1319
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:13,890
Oh, that's right.

1320
01:38:14,010 --> 01:38:15,050
I have a tractor.

1321
01:38:15,290 --> 01:38:15,830
That's what I said.

1322
01:38:15,930 --> 01:38:20,010
If we can't find anything else, we'll bring a tractor down and put some shovels in the ground.

1323
01:38:20,530 --> 01:38:21,690
We'll make it open.

1324
01:38:21,690 --> 01:38:24,030
Did your tractor have a digging bucket?

1325
01:38:24,230 --> 01:38:28,490
I don't like the front scoop, but like I've buried a good number of horses with it

1326
01:38:28,490 --> 01:38:33,150
It's doable. It's not the prettiest for a tiny type of hole. Yeah, we can make it happen

1327
01:38:33,710 --> 01:38:35,890
It smells it out, put grassy on it would be fine

1328
01:38:37,370 --> 01:38:43,250
We're only gonna start is leaving it open like if we decide to dig it up like Friday night

1329
01:38:44,350 --> 01:38:48,450
No, no, I think we're gonna dig it up it. It would be dig it up. We're all right

1330
01:38:48,450 --> 01:38:50,270
All right, I'm very interested.

1331
01:38:50,770 --> 01:38:53,890
Okay, because of all the other activities that I've raised her hand.

1332
01:38:54,150 --> 01:38:55,810
I think she's not in a group, let's see.

1333
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:56,930
Oh, I thought you raised your hand.

1334
01:38:57,370 --> 01:38:58,810
Oh, he's not in a group, but okay.

1335
01:38:59,370 --> 01:39:01,650
She was saying no, we're not going to leave it open.

1336
01:39:01,870 --> 01:39:03,410
You're generally expressive, okay?

1337
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:05,030
I don't know what to do with that.

1338
01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:06,010
I'll put it down.

1339
01:39:08,350 --> 01:39:10,290
Okay, so we will find someone today.

1340
01:39:10,490 --> 01:39:13,730
And it would be great if all of us could be there on Saturday.

1341
01:39:14,110 --> 01:39:14,550
It's 3.30.

1342
01:39:14,750 --> 01:39:15,710
3.30.

1343
01:39:15,790 --> 01:39:16,690
Be there, be square.

1344
01:39:17,230 --> 01:39:18,250
You know, it would be like a meadow.

1345
01:39:18,490 --> 01:39:19,430
It's in the bylaws.

1346
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:21,430
Actually don't we're there

1347
01:39:22,770 --> 01:39:30,150
Dual hasn't abs in the past I'll be bring my shovel all right, okay, Blair Barnard is we'll leave that safe

1348
01:39:32,410 --> 01:39:33,610
Thank you

1349
01:39:33,610 --> 01:39:35,390
Okay, goodnight guys. Good night

1350
01:39:36,410 --> 01:39:38,110
Good night, I'm ready. Good night

1351
01:39:39,210 --> 01:39:43,240
All right, come on steps

1352
01:39:45,580 --> 01:39:46,760
one fun fun

1353
01:39:50,660 --> 01:39:52,280
What do you guys think? Thanks Barry?

1354
01:39:58,250 --> 01:40:00,470
Yeah, is there an option for wood?

1355
01:40:00,490 --> 01:40:01,750
There is an option for wood.

1356
01:40:02,230 --> 01:40:02,350
Okay.

1357
01:40:02,350 --> 01:40:03,490
Did Alan get back to you at all?

1358
01:40:03,570 --> 01:40:05,350
Alan, she did it.

1359
01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:06,310
She did it.

1360
01:40:07,010 --> 01:40:08,550
She did it.

1361
01:40:09,170 --> 01:40:09,630
I agree.

1362
01:40:10,050 --> 01:40:10,670
It would be better to play.

1363
01:40:10,670 --> 01:40:13,670
So Alan, I reached out to Alan,

1364
01:40:14,090 --> 01:40:15,010
Strauss and Jim Sanford.

1365
01:40:15,410 --> 01:40:17,770
Alan has done most of the architectural work for the town.

1366
01:40:18,530 --> 01:40:22,510
Jim actually designed the current set of stairs in the 90s we think.

1367
01:40:22,510 --> 01:40:31,830
And I said, here's what we have, as options, and the products I cost, and I would like your input.

1368
01:40:33,770 --> 01:40:39,810
She said they definitely talked about the steps, and they think they should be replaced and wood, or some sort of similar wood product.

1369
01:40:40,570 --> 01:40:45,130
She'd be happy to get us a list of products that they think would work or last for a very long time.

1370
01:40:45,710 --> 01:40:54,610
these stairs are currently they think 46 years old so I think they are fully advertised

1371
01:40:54,610 --> 01:41:01,270
I don't know what that means yeah they should definitely stand with screws and now it's

1372
01:41:01,270 --> 01:41:07,580
so the roster doesn't come true but she does not think that the stairs should be not.

1373
01:41:07,820 --> 01:41:15,440
Wood yeah wood I either go wood or go all out with granite and just call it good for the next

1374
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:21,660
200 years but if we're going to kick that count on the road would would be the because the other two

1375
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:29,360
we're just going to redo probably faster than wood right there last 26 years I think that's

1376
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:37,620
impressive. Yeah I've never seen a corner. Yeah yeah but I think we should get rid of the

1377
01:41:37,620 --> 01:41:42,920
concrete underneath it right because so that's the question yeah so I think we're coalescing around

1378
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,700
like rebuilding them the way that they are, essentially?

1379
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:46,540
Yeah, exactly.

1380
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:47,280
Is that right?

1381
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:48,340
Like keeping the design.

1382
01:41:48,380 --> 01:41:49,240
I like the design.

1383
01:41:49,620 --> 01:41:51,540
Yeah, I would at least, you know,

1384
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:52,980
or used to looking at it that way.

1385
01:41:52,980 --> 01:41:53,220
Yeah.

1386
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,280
And if user from user perspective, it's really nice.

1387
01:41:56,380 --> 01:41:56,480
Yeah.

1388
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:59,160
So then there are some accommodations that we were talking about.

1389
01:41:59,820 --> 01:42:02,120
Like it has the old concrete stairs under it.

1390
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:03,920
Should we remove those?

1391
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,000
What about the two lights into the basement that the stairs

1392
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,160
currently abut and causes this whole water damage issue?

1393
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:18,760
And it also makes the rise in the run on even on both sides and you can't even make them right because then you'll be in the plan of the window

1394
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:27,120
So there were a couple of ideas that we had sort of tossed around my suggestion was I think we should take those two windows out and

1395
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:30,740
Break up the foundation there and

1396
01:42:30,740 --> 01:42:36,560
Remove the concrete steps and flatten out the grid so that you're starting from a

1397
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,840
flat platform rising run can be

1398
01:42:39,900 --> 01:42:46,060
code, and be the same for a step on those sides. We don't have to worry about the interface

1399
01:42:46,060 --> 01:42:50,260
with the windows, so the step can continue all the way to the building, because if you think

1400
01:42:50,260 --> 01:42:55,020
about bringing it off, they have this awkward space and a whole second rally system that's

1401
01:42:55,020 --> 01:43:00,800
much more expensive. You'll need a handrail on that side, but if it were spaced off the wall,

1402
01:43:00,980 --> 01:43:04,360
you would need all of the divisions every four inches to be code.

1403
01:43:06,860 --> 01:43:11,540
but then it still falls a little bit like, do you dig it all up and put drainage like

1404
01:43:11,540 --> 01:43:16,060
cat was suggest me say a scope creep is a it would be a thing here

1405
01:43:16,060 --> 01:43:20,720
what scope creep oh no what would it what's the dig it up and put drainage

1406
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:27,520
he was suggesting that we dig it up and add a French drain connected into the catch

1407
01:43:29,770 --> 01:43:31,070
I think the whole thing out.

1408
01:43:31,630 --> 01:43:34,090
The whole front side of the building, I think.

1409
01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:37,110
I was going to say that sounds like 50 grand.

1410
01:43:37,470 --> 01:43:38,690
That's a wonderful hall.

1411
01:43:38,770 --> 01:43:40,610
You're going to go with clean stones.

1412
01:43:40,890 --> 01:43:41,390
No, thank you.

1413
01:43:42,250 --> 01:43:46,390
If we were doing granite, again, maybe is a forever investment,

1414
01:43:46,590 --> 01:43:49,250
but this does not sound like a necessary item.

1415
01:43:50,710 --> 01:43:51,950
I like taking up window.

1416
01:43:52,370 --> 01:43:53,510
I haven't even set the stones.

1417
01:43:53,870 --> 01:43:54,050
Yeah.

1418
01:43:54,650 --> 01:43:57,270
Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me.

1419
01:43:57,270 --> 01:44:02,190
Because they're thinking about water coming off of the steps and going into this stream.

1420
01:44:02,190 --> 01:44:03,930
What is the range there?

1421
01:44:04,110 --> 01:44:05,590
The basement is not flooding.

1422
01:44:06,290 --> 01:44:07,030
Because of that.

1423
01:44:07,470 --> 01:44:08,250
Not on that side.

1424
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:08,550
Right.

1425
01:44:09,310 --> 01:44:10,750
The basement is flooding on the back side.

1426
01:44:11,090 --> 01:44:11,470
Well, yeah.

1427
01:44:11,730 --> 01:44:12,390
That's what it's called.

1428
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:14,190
It's supposed to go back there.

1429
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:16,770
It's supposed to go back there.

1430
01:44:17,370 --> 01:44:17,570
Yeah.

1431
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:18,490
It would not.

1432
01:44:19,050 --> 01:44:23,370
So it sounds like a good solid approach would be.

1433
01:44:23,510 --> 01:44:26,490
Move the windows, break up the foundation.

1434
01:44:26,490 --> 01:44:29,650
and take the concrete out and rebuild.

1435
01:44:30,050 --> 01:44:30,310
What's that?

1436
01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:31,350
Basically, what's there?

1437
01:44:32,010 --> 01:44:32,210
Job.

1438
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:36,610
And then we'll have other questions with respect to materials.

1439
01:44:36,970 --> 01:44:41,710
And I do think that painting it to match the white makes sense, but there will need to be

1440
01:44:41,710 --> 01:44:45,610
some consideration of tread materials and what has longevity there.

1441
01:44:45,690 --> 01:44:48,230
Why do we need it would or we stain it?

1442
01:44:48,350 --> 01:44:52,930
And I think if we leave it to silver, there are lots of brought resistant woods that we could

1443
01:44:54,130 --> 01:44:59,930
the issue of any kind of horizontal service in Vermont with a stain as well.

1444
01:45:00,110 --> 01:45:03,570
We have to do every year. And we can do that.

1445
01:45:04,130 --> 01:45:05,110
But I'm also going to have to do that.

1446
01:45:05,170 --> 01:45:05,970
When you just take that?

1447
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:08,510
It's just doing every two years.

1448
01:45:08,650 --> 01:45:09,690
Just have to do it every two years.

1449
01:45:10,190 --> 01:45:14,350
So there will be some of the things we need to sort of hash out there.

1450
01:45:14,970 --> 01:45:19,470
And this is all with the intent of putting out in the RFP and getting someone to do it this year,

1451
01:45:19,810 --> 01:45:21,170
which means we should have done this to you.

1452
01:45:25,220 --> 01:45:28,540
We're wanting the steps to look the same exact way that they are now.

1453
01:45:28,660 --> 01:45:29,400
Sounds like it.

1454
01:45:30,340 --> 01:45:36,540
Not a tack that's taken out the window. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, close. General stairs coming from both sides

1455
01:45:36,540 --> 01:45:43,520
There's going to be a stock rate at the top so there's a great there. We can use it. It's brand new.

1456
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:53,520
I think the windows are going to be taken up. Does that mean that the stairs can go all the way to the building?

1457
01:45:53,940 --> 01:45:55,660
I think that's amazing.

1458
01:45:55,660 --> 01:45:59,060
And then we think the handrail is different than like makes a little bit easier.

1459
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:03,860
Yeah, the handrail is with match on both sides, but the outside we have that vertical,

1460
01:46:04,940 --> 01:46:09,660
the one they have on the surface, and down the surface, I was grabbed too much.

1461
01:46:10,540 --> 01:46:12,560
The post is at the end of the balster, it's at the end of the balster.

1462
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:13,300
I have a little one.

1463
01:46:13,380 --> 01:46:13,740
That's it.

1464
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,140
So all the vertical balsters.

1465
01:46:18,250 --> 01:46:19,070
Like it?

1466
01:46:20,150 --> 01:46:20,250
Okay.

1467
01:46:20,250 --> 01:46:21,370
It's a little narrow for you.

1468
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:23,490
It can can, can I do it?

1469
01:46:23,610 --> 01:46:25,010
I mean, it doesn't work for you.

1470
01:46:25,650 --> 01:46:27,910
or you do the RPK, you have the source.

1471
01:46:29,490 --> 01:46:30,270
And we can control.

1472
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:33,230
Okay, I mean, if it doesn't.

1473
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:36,550
What just happened?

1474
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:37,910
Why?

1475
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:39,090
I mean, you need to use it.

1476
01:46:41,340 --> 01:46:43,460
Consider it in an occasional connection with unstable.

1477
01:46:44,380 --> 01:46:45,280
And then it just doesn't.

1478
01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:46,120
Hmm.

1479
01:46:56,510 --> 01:46:57,410
Let's be right back.

1480
01:46:57,770 --> 01:46:58,210
Over here.

1481
01:46:59,070 --> 01:47:00,070
Yeah, we're still on.

1482
01:47:09,700 --> 01:47:11,080
Should I go back to this?

1483
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:11,900
Hope?

1484
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:13,080
Let me do.

1485
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,820
We'd let that convert and then hit star again.

1486
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:25,480
It's looking like it's not recording in progress.

1487
01:47:27,180 --> 01:47:28,140
Sorry, team.

1488
01:47:28,620 --> 01:47:29,760
Not sure what happened there.

1489
01:47:29,980 --> 01:47:30,920
Oh wait.

1490
01:47:31,540 --> 01:47:32,740
Sorry, y'all.

1491
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:34,360
We don't really know what happened there.

1492
01:47:37,410 --> 01:47:38,710
Okay, so we're going to build an arctic.

1493
01:47:39,130 --> 01:47:40,530
We're going to stick with wood products.

1494
01:47:41,610 --> 01:47:43,710
And I'll coordinate with Alan and Jim,

1495
01:47:44,010 --> 01:47:46,810
and maybe they can even give us a sketch for the arctic.

1496
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:48,210
Cool.

1497
01:47:49,070 --> 01:47:49,290
Awesome.

1498
01:47:49,510 --> 01:47:49,870
Thank you.

1499
01:47:55,100 --> 01:48:03,860
remove concrete window windows come out there will be more questions because like right now

1500
01:48:03,860 --> 01:48:09,340
the asphalt goes all the way up to the bottom set we were thinking we should cut it out

1501
01:48:09,340 --> 01:48:17,400
and then maybe replace with papers are we prepared to just be able to if we can't get an RFP

1502
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,200
in time,

1503
01:48:21,780 --> 01:48:26,020
are we going to be able to just sort of fortify what we have for the winter,

1504
01:48:26,420 --> 01:48:27,320
and that will be acceptable?

1505
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:29,880
I don't know, just about time.

1506
01:48:29,900 --> 01:48:31,180
It means just a little, I think.

1507
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:38,740
But according to Marie and Amanda, the steps on the other side are getting worse and worse.

1508
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:42,420
So I think we have to do this this year.

1509
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,120
I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just

1510
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:44,780
saying what they're saying.

1511
01:48:44,780 --> 01:48:45,820
I have to try it.

1512
01:48:46,060 --> 01:48:51,540
And especially whether someone will not be able to, like, what if it comes to, we could do

1513
01:48:51,540 --> 01:48:55,500
it this year if we don't take out the old cement, but we couldn't, you know, accept.

1514
01:48:55,660 --> 01:49:00,560
I don't know that that's, I mean, honestly, we could ask Andrew to come down and bust it up

1515
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:01,080
and take it away.

1516
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:07,200
Which, I, I would bear I much hope that they would, because it really will save us thousands

1517
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:08,200
and thousands of dollars.

1518
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:09,100
And be quick.

1519
01:49:09,100 --> 01:49:15,360
And the cloud was actually too easy to do it like it were this whole we're moving the concrete is making it

1520
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:22,020
Not normal so I hope that they would be I know that they're short staff and this is a this is a this is a big of a problem

1521
01:49:23,180 --> 01:49:31,700
I imagine again this is not allowed, but I do know how to operate all of that stuff. I know I don't know if we show me a key and make it go away

1522
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:32,960
Right

1523
01:49:34,220 --> 01:49:38,300
Well, to that end, if it's time for the paper and my excavator down.

1524
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,620
Yeah, I'll just take my household health.

1525
01:49:41,180 --> 01:49:43,280
That's stuff. I got stuff. I got a jackhammer.

1526
01:49:44,620 --> 01:49:45,560
I got a big air compressor.

1527
01:49:47,340 --> 01:49:47,740
All right.

1528
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:52,960
So we'll keep you and we'll run on a draft of our feedback every day.

1529
01:49:58,230 --> 01:50:00,650
I think we're good on the rest of the things.

1530
01:50:00,650 --> 01:50:07,010
I don't have the, the town garage update is that the steel frame is going up and we were there, that's me.

1531
01:50:07,230 --> 01:50:08,150
Just pictures on the website.

1532
01:50:08,510 --> 01:50:09,790
There are lots of pictures on the website.

1533
01:50:10,450 --> 01:50:12,390
Should check it out.

1534
01:50:12,810 --> 01:50:14,650
This was still been posting them. They're great.

1535
01:50:15,390 --> 01:50:15,570
Sorry.

1536
01:50:16,810 --> 01:50:17,550
This was done.

1537
01:50:18,070 --> 01:50:18,590
It's not done.

1538
01:50:18,610 --> 01:50:18,850
Stable.

1539
01:50:19,130 --> 01:50:19,330
Stable.

1540
01:50:19,650 --> 01:50:19,710
Stable.

1541
01:50:19,710 --> 01:50:19,830
Stable.

1542
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:19,910
Stable.

1543
01:50:20,610 --> 01:50:21,050
Stable.

1544
01:50:21,070 --> 01:50:21,510
Stable.

1545
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:38,250
You know, they, when we were, and during I had an interview with a potential candidate this morning and they dropped their equipment off the pavement was too wet from the rain overnight, so they've been paid today, so their plans to be back tomorrow if it doesn't rain.

1546
01:50:39,820 --> 01:50:40,080
Good.

1547
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:41,900
Therefore, it looks nice.

1548
01:50:42,700 --> 01:50:43,800
Rocks frame out and looks nice.

1549
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:45,840
Parking a lot up to these one.

1550
01:50:46,020 --> 01:50:46,760
Can you mark it?

1551
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:47,320
Looks nice.

1552
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:48,420
Oh, I got to go pipe it.

1553
01:50:48,420 --> 01:50:49,500
Yeah, go check it out.

1554
01:50:49,540 --> 01:50:49,700
OK.

1555
01:50:49,900 --> 01:50:50,640
Try mine's ground.

1556
01:50:50,940 --> 01:50:52,180
You know, I have a driven into it,

1557
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:52,920
but I can't even buy it.

1558
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:53,160
It's really nice.

1559
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:54,580
Are we going to strike it?

1560
01:50:56,630 --> 01:50:58,010
Probably not the share, but.

1561
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:58,330
Sorry.

1562
01:50:58,710 --> 01:50:59,790
I don't want to pull in teeth.

1563
01:51:00,050 --> 01:51:00,710
Let's get L&D.

1564
01:51:00,910 --> 01:51:02,950
I did sign a contact with them on Friday.

1565
01:51:04,990 --> 01:51:07,050
Do we want to be signatures before exactly the session?

1566
01:51:07,070 --> 01:51:07,470
Yes, please.

1567
01:51:10,300 --> 01:51:10,840
All right.

1568
01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:12,080
All right.

1569
01:51:16,210 --> 01:51:27,910
moved to proof, accounts payable for 100 and 2,402,500 and 8,400 and 2,500 and 8,400.

1570
01:51:27,910 --> 01:51:28,830
That can.

1571
01:51:29,590 --> 01:51:30,230
Follow the paper.

1572
01:51:30,570 --> 01:51:31,150
Hi, man.

1573
01:51:32,850 --> 01:51:39,050
We moved to a proof payroll on the amount of 35,645 dollars and 70 cents.

1574
01:51:40,330 --> 01:51:41,570
That means, all right.

1575
01:51:41,970 --> 01:51:42,890
All those in paper.

1576
01:51:44,430 --> 01:51:45,090
And

1577
01:51:51,100 --> 01:51:55,140
we have minutes from August 25.

1578
01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:00,720
Joel, you were not here, so no voting for you.

1579
01:52:00,780 --> 01:52:03,040
Do I have a motion to approve?

1580
01:52:04,300 --> 01:52:05,020
So I can.

1581
01:52:05,620 --> 01:52:06,200
All those in favor.

1582
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:15,560
Rebecca saw that they're buying a bunch of stone in the payables.

1583
01:52:15,560 --> 01:52:23,960
I'm going to start to stock up a winter now for the new stuff, it's over there because you weren't going home.

1584
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:25,060
Oh, there's still plenty of oil in the back of it.

1585
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:28,780
Well, a lot of it on the back of the day is going to lower those pressure source in the driveway.

1586
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:36,640
I'm got pavement, and they have to fill in on the transition. Recording in progress.

1587
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,220
I'm just calling on. I don't think I can.

1588
01:52:41,820 --> 01:52:45,200
Yeah, I have the mind of it, but thankfully, John is here.

1589
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:47,940
Okay, and that means, for me?

1590
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,900
Yeah, those are capital for the big, big civilisation project.

1591
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,580
Okay, do we have a motion to enter exactly the session?

1592
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:55,340
A little bit of motion.

1593
01:52:55,820 --> 01:53:02,710
And then second day, all the good right, Jim, I'm going to call you, recording stopped.