1 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,920 Alderman Ashau 2 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,399 >> here. 3 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:37,680 >> Alderman Augustovich 4 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:38,239 >> here. 5 00:00:38,239 --> 00:00:40,879 >> Alderman Barry is absent. Alderman Davos 6 00:00:40,879 --> 00:00:41,360 >> here. 7 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,399 >> Alderman Kuckenberg 8 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:42,800 >> here. 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,680 >> Alderman Lockett 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,000 >> here. 11 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,960 >> Alderman Widner 12 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:45,360 >> here. 13 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,320 >> Alderman Wilki 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,719 >> here. Now, if you'd rise as you are able 15 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:49,760 and join me in the pledge of 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,910 >> allegiance 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,399 to the flag of the United States of 18 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:59,359 America and to the republic for which it 19 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,480 stands, one nation under God, 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,040 indivisible, with liberty and justice 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:21,190 for all. 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,040 Glad I left it here. Well, good evening 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,560 everyone and thank you and thank you for 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,640 being here. Welcome to the Warrenville 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,080 City Council meeting. Uh we have a 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,600 little bit of excitement before the 27 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,960 meeting proper starts and that is the 28 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:35,920 announcement of who will be located 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,240 within the Warville Merkantile. 30 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,439 Hopefully you know what the Warville 31 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:41,600 Merkantile is. It is the small 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,680 storefronts that are now being placed 33 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,479 now have been placed uh at Leon Schmidt 34 00:01:46,479 --> 00:01:48,320 Park and are going to be opening up 35 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,040 September 10th through December 6th with 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,680 some local vendors in those shops for 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,360 that period of time. And then we'll 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,119 continue on in a process going forward 39 00:01:57,119 --> 00:01:59,360 to try to get people an opportunity to 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,000 shop local and shop small and then 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,439 hopefully those companies, those 42 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:05,520 organizations maybe will develop into 43 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,600 something bigger as time goes on at 44 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,920 that. But I have the great good pleasure 45 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:12,720 of introducing who will be the vendors 46 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,800 joining in the grand opening week. So I 47 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,840 don't know if any of them are here. Uh 48 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,280 Miss Emry, I don't know if you can tell 49 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,800 if from the crowd who's here. 50 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,239 >> I'm not sure. I know some were going to 51 00:02:22,239 --> 00:02:24,080 try to attend, but many were going to be 52 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:25,200 viewing online. So 53 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,280 >> or maybe they're viewing from home. So 54 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,560 uh regardless, if you know of these 55 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,319 companies, congratulate them and welcome 56 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:32,640 them on September 10th for the grand 57 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,599 opening weekend. Uh they are Crow and 58 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:37,599 Moon, 59 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:40,239 Bada Bling, 60 00:02:40,239 --> 00:02:44,239 K A Beauty or K Beauty, Bread and More 61 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:47,040 and the Hey Turbo Collective. So those 62 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,360 companies were selected from the many 63 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,519 who applied to be our first vendors at 64 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:53,040 the Warville Merkantile. So 65 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,640 congratulations to them and if you know 66 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:56,400 any of their owners, give them a round 67 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,506 of applause. Tell them thank you 68 00:02:57,506 --> 00:02:59,280 [applause] for putting themselves out 69 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,360 there and being our first first 70 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,040 opportunities there. Director Emory, 71 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,000 would you like to say anything about the 72 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,440 merkantile? 73 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,200 >> We're just really excited to see this 74 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,640 initiative launch. Thank you to the 75 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,319 council for your support of the decision 76 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:11,760 package and to help us get to this 77 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,519 point. If you haven't been by the 78 00:03:13,519 --> 00:03:15,360 location recently at the Leon Schmidt 79 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,040 Park, you can see all of the storefront 80 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,360 units have been located there. Um, as 81 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,200 the mayor said, we'll be opening in 82 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:23,680 early September. We do have some spaces 83 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,159 this season that will be flex spaces. 84 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:27,760 So, we have some vendors that will be 85 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,519 popping in and out throughout the 86 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:31,599 season. Look for announcements and 87 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:33,360 information about that on our website 88 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,440 and in the market itself. I hope you all 89 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,519 come out to enjoy. Thank you. 90 00:03:37,519 --> 00:03:38,959 >> Thank you, Director Emer. We appreciate 91 00:03:38,959 --> 00:03:41,040 that. So, uh, next are public comments 92 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,400 and we do have a number of people signed 93 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,200 in to speak. So, I I know I speak for 94 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,640 everybody on the council here. We are 95 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,959 all our neighbors here together and we 96 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:50,560 welcome your comments at every public 97 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,560 meeting of the council. Uh, the public 98 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,400 comment period is for the public to 99 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,159 address the council on matters 100 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:58,720 pertaining to our town. So we know that 101 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,360 public speaking is not always easy. So 102 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,120 please remember if you are speaking you 103 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,560 are amongst friends, you're amongst 104 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,720 neighbors. And please one and all be 105 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,640 respectful of each other. So we ask 106 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,159 speakers to limit their comments to 107 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:11,840 three minutes so everyone has a chance 108 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,000 to be heard. And if it gets to that 109 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,840 point where somebody's going on and on, 110 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,639 I'll ask Director DR to to to give you a 111 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:20,880 wave. Uh but generally three minutes is 112 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,759 seem to be appropriate. Um our meetings 113 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:26,160 are livereamed and recorded. So, if 114 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,080 anybody's ever seen them, you you know, 115 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,080 sometimes the the quality of the sound 116 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,360 can be impacted by whether or not 117 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,199 somebody speaks into a microphone or 118 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:36,479 backs away from it. So, we ask that um 119 00:04:36,479 --> 00:04:38,960 that you be clear when you're speaking 120 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,800 um and and approach the microphone, use 121 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,080 the microphone. Might be uncomfortable, 122 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,479 but nonetheless, it's for everyone at 123 00:04:44,479 --> 00:04:47,360 home um uh to to make sure that we get 124 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,880 good sound for them. So, uh, where else 125 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,520 was I going to? So, to ensure that 126 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,680 people watching at home and in the 127 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,840 future can clearly hear everyone speak 128 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:59,759 and to ensure no one feels intimidated 129 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:01,600 either way on the subject, whatever that 130 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:03,759 subject is, we ask that you refrain from 131 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:05,840 public any comments, outbursts, or 132 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:07,440 applause. 133 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,520 And if you signed up to speak when I 134 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,680 call, please approach the podium. Use 135 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,360 the microphone, state your full name for 136 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,080 the minutes. And uh while the council 137 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,240 appreciates all questions and comments, 138 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,000 we don't typically respond to public 139 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,320 comments from the dis unless they relate 140 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,199 to agenda items. But rest assured, we 141 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:27,840 are listening and we hear. So let us 142 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:29,919 proceed. And I'll I'll say a few names 143 00:05:29,919 --> 00:05:32,000 so you know when to prepare to come up 144 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,880 or maybe you wish to stand in order um 145 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,280 at the time. So, the first three uh 146 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:38,960 speakers we have signed up are Bob 147 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:43,440 Sbert, Scott Albert, and Betsy Dudak. 148 00:05:43,440 --> 00:06:05,350 So, Bob approach 149 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,360 Bob Sabbert, 150 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,680 Albbright Street. 151 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,680 I would like to thank the four aldermen 152 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,400 who voted against the $9 million tiff 153 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,840 funds for 180 apartments on Route 59 and 154 00:06:23,840 --> 00:06:25,680 56. 155 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,840 You folks stood up for the taxpayers. 156 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,319 Thank you. 157 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:37,360 In tiff one, why did we give 50 cents of 158 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,520 every tiff dollar to the developer and 159 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,960 50 cents of every dollar to the 160 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,710 taxpayers? 161 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,919 What was the reason? 162 00:06:51,919 --> 00:06:55,280 The city council that I served on 163 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:59,360 believed that the taxpayers were equal 164 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:05,120 partners in Canara and should benefit 165 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,000 along with the developers 166 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,199 not 23 years later. We established a 167 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:18,400 system where with this extra revenue for 168 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,680 the taxpayers, we could pay funds to the 169 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,560 fire district, the park district, the 170 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,039 school district, and the library. 171 00:07:31,039 --> 00:07:35,360 A written financial contract was signed 172 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,840 by both parties. 173 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,560 With this contract, all expenditures, 174 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,800 water towers, 175 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,440 roads, excavating, 176 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,680 building, everything was paid for by the 177 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,520 developer. 178 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:59,360 Yet the funds to repay the developer 179 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,639 were only from the developers 180 00:08:02,639 --> 00:08:06,309 50 cents. 181 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:10,000 Also, the developer was required to 182 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:15,120 spend $67 million 183 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,639 before 184 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:18,639 one dime 185 00:08:18,639 --> 00:08:22,479 of money would be returned. 186 00:08:22,479 --> 00:08:24,160 Also 187 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,680 in the contract, if the developer for 188 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:29,759 any reason 189 00:08:29,759 --> 00:08:33,039 ceased operations, 190 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,440 all improvements 191 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:41,670 would go to the city. 192 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:46,240 We created a system where the taxpayers 193 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,120 could only win. 194 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,279 But recent city councils did not follow 195 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:55,120 our lead 196 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,640 with tiffs and the taxpayers 197 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,600 have had increased risk and the revenue 198 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,839 has been decreed decreased. 199 00:09:07,839 --> 00:09:12,800 On route 59 and 56, the developer 200 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:20,399 requests $9 million for 180 apartments. 201 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:26,160 30 seconds. Okay. And he wishes 95% 202 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,750 of the revenue. 203 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,440 That is $450,000 204 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:38,800 per acre. Whereas in Canara with the 205 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,150 huge development, it was $112,000 206 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,320 per acre. 207 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,720 Again, I thank the four four aldermen. 208 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,480 Time banding up. Thank you. 209 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,760 >> Thank you, Bob. Uh Scott Albert and then 210 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,680 Betsy Dudek is next. And then after 211 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:10,949 Betsy, Mike Hogan. 212 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:13,279 Hello, my name is Scott Albert. My wife 213 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:15,680 and I are relatively new to Warrenville. 214 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:18,079 Uh we love it. We found our neighbors to 215 00:10:18,079 --> 00:10:20,079 be fantastic and we've been very 216 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:25,440 impressed with the leadership here. the events and the opportunities and the 217 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,360 brush cleanup and being invited to 218 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,640 council meetings is something you don't 219 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,560 find in every city and you certainly 220 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:33,200 don't find it uh everywhere in America. 221 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,000 I'm also retired military. I spent a big 222 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,519 chunk of my life defending our rights 223 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:39,519 and making sure that we could keep them 224 00:10:39,519 --> 00:10:42,079 and that's why I'm here tonight. It 225 00:10:42,079 --> 00:10:44,399 seems lately that our rights have been 226 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:48,240 being taken away or mitigated. 227 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,279 Our right to assemble is answered with 228 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:54,079 pepper spray. A woman's right to decide 229 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:56,480 her own healthc care is answered with 230 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,600 being tracked across state lines 231 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,279 illegally by authorities. 232 00:11:03,279 --> 00:11:07,360 And now our right to privacy is at risk. 233 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,839 Now those other rights were taken away 234 00:11:09,839 --> 00:11:12,240 by big government. 235 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,560 There's nothing we can do about that. 236 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,320 But this is local government. This is 237 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,079 where we feel we have a little bit of 238 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:20,640 opportunity to claw back one of our 239 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,279 important rights. And and if we can, 240 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:28,079 we'd like to we'd like to see the LPR 241 00:11:28,079 --> 00:11:31,920 cameras, the cameras that can work with 242 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,640 Axon, work with Palunteer, work with 243 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,440 police dash cams, follow you everywhere, 244 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,440 keep track of everywhere you go. And 245 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,040 when the FBI or the Department of 246 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:47,120 Justice subpoenas that evidence, those films, that information, because 247 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,440 you donated money to act blue and they 248 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,680 put you on a watch list because 249 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:57,120 you acted like an American and exercised 250 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,800 your rights and they didn't get happy, 251 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,320 so they put you on a watch list or 252 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,600 demanded to know, were you at that 253 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920 meeting? Was your license plate 254 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,160 photographed that night? 255 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,240 It's not good and our city shouldn't 256 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,399 participate in that. And I've seen our 257 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:11,920 city do great things and this is another 258 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,360 opportunity to do something great for 259 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:14,959 the people by looking out for our 260 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:16,560 rights. Thank you. 261 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,480 >> Thank you, Scott. Betsy, you're next. 262 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,320 And then after Betsy is Mike Hogan 263 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,399 again, please hold on. Mike Hogan and 264 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:33,829 Shannon Burns after Mike Hogan. 265 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:36,399 » Good evening. My name is Betsy Dudak and 266 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:38,480 I have lived here in Warrenville for 31 267 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:42,639 years. In December of 2023, the council, 268 00:12:42,639 --> 00:12:45,360 this council voted unanimous unanimously 269 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,360 to install flock cameras around our 270 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,160 town. I believe you did this in the best 271 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,399 interest of this community and had them 272 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:55,519 at heart. At the time, almost nothing 273 00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:57,200 independent was known about this 274 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,079 technology, only what the company sold 275 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:03,440 us, and that was to find stolen cars and 276 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,839 missing children. 277 00:13:05,839 --> 00:13:09,360 It's August of 2026 now. We know a lot 278 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,279 more. 279 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:14,399 And what we know should worry us all. 280 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:16,240 These cameras don't just read license 281 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,920 plates. They log the make, model, color, 282 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,279 dents, bumper stickers, every 283 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:25,200 identifying detail of the car that 284 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,800 passes, and they feed it into a national 285 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,560 database used by roughly 286 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:35,839 140,000 law enforcements, 287 00:13:35,839 --> 00:13:38,800 over 6,000 communities, and they keep it 288 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,279 for 30 days. 289 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:44,560 That database has been abused. 290 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:46,560 Officers around the countries have used 291 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:49,200 it to stalk exartners, neighbors, family 292 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,000 members. A Wisconsin investigation this 293 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,480 year found at least 50 documented cases 294 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,760 of officers using the exact system to 295 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,600 stalk women. 296 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,680 One police chief searched his exartner's 297 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:07,440 plate and her teenage daughter 600 298 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,160 times. The deductive assigned to 299 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,240 investigate him was later caught doing 300 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,399 the same thing. 301 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:16,079 I am not saying at all that our 302 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:18,160 Warrenville police officers would do 303 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,959 that. What I am saying is that once our 304 00:14:20,959 --> 00:14:22,639 neighbors movements are sitting in a 305 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:24,959 national database, we have no control 306 00:14:24,959 --> 00:14:29,199 over who else searches it or why. In 307 00:14:29,199 --> 00:14:31,199 most places, a search doesn't even need 308 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:34,160 a case number or a warrant. And the 309 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,199 system isn't even accurate. Roseville, 310 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:39,760 California owned police department found 311 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,079 that 71% 312 00:14:42,079 --> 00:14:45,760 seven out of 10 of its flock stolen 313 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,760 vehicle alerts were wrong. LAPD found 314 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,440 nearly a third of its alert was false. 315 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Here's what that looks like in real 316 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,000 life. In Aurora, Colorado, police 317 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000 surrounded a family's minivan with guns 318 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,800 drawn and put four children as young as 319 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,000 six face down. 30 seconds 320 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,880 >> on hot pavement because a system had 321 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,639 matched her plates to a stolen 322 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:12,880 motorcycle. 323 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,440 So I ask you today, knowing what you 324 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,360 know in 2026 to maybe make a different 325 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,360 decision 326 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,399 already Orlando and Evans or Oak Park 327 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,279 and Evston have stepped back. I wish the 328 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:30,399 same for our town. You know more, please 329 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:31,600 do more. 330 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,000 >> Thank you, Betsy. Mike Hogan is next. 331 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,600 And then Shannon Burns 332 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,440 and then Phil Evson will be after 333 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:45,590 Shannon. 334 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,000 Hello, my name's Mike. I'm hard of 335 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,759 hearing and that's why my speeches are 336 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:53,040 weird. I never do these things, but this 337 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,759 is our rights, our privacy being taken 338 00:15:55,759 --> 00:16:00,880 away by these freaking cameras. And it 339 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,639 cops are using them to stalk women and 340 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:06,959 find out where exactly they're going and 341 00:16:06,959 --> 00:16:08,320 be able to find out exactly where 342 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,000 they're going. And they're using it for 343 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 other things, too. Like somebody said, 344 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,839 crossing state lines and stuff like 345 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:17,920 that. We don't need that. The owner is 346 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,000 the owner company is a terrorist 347 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,279 organization, anti-American, anti- 348 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:24,959 privacy, 349 00:16:24,959 --> 00:16:27,279 anti- fourth amendment. 350 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:30,959 These are right being taken away. 351 00:16:30,959 --> 00:16:32,720 You know, you say, "Oh, yeah, it helped 352 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,600 us find a kid." What? You found like 353 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,160 three what? Three kids in the country. 354 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,320 And how many cases do you have cops 355 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,040 doing women through these things? 356 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,279 Whatever. Have the cops do their jobs 357 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:51,120 better. You know, don't be taking Don't 358 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,120 be sitting there taking every single 359 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,720 photograph and be stalking people, 360 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,920 you know. This is just fun. These need 361 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,639 to be taken down or we the people will 362 00:17:02,639 --> 00:17:05,280 take them down. 363 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,280 And who watch the one thing? Yes, the 364 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,280 watchmen watch this, but who watches the 365 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,839 watchmen? 366 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,559 these came. 367 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:20,880 >> Shannon Burns, Phil Ebison, and then 368 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,110 Anthony Spears. 369 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:27,439 » Shannon Burns. I live on Fairfax Court 370 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:30,320 in Warrenville. I'm neutral on the 371 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,720 subjects of flock cameras, which might 372 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,240 not be a popular opinion tonight, but I 373 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,080 have a couple of points. One is that 374 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,640 this afternoon I sat down to think about 375 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,720 all the places I am surveiled in the 376 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,039 world. And it took me less than 30 377 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:48,640 seconds to write down seven places that 378 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,720 were not flat cameras where I'm already 379 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,360 being surveiled. The difference in my 380 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:55,760 mind between all the other places that 381 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,480 collect my data, keep an eye on me, and 382 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,480 know way more about me than I want them 383 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,120 to and flock cameras is that flock 384 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:06,080 cameras have at least some kind of law 385 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,720 enforcement gatekeeper. They're here for 386 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,280 my safety. um the Comcast people who 387 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,840 started sending me advertisements within 388 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:23,760 30 minutes of me changing the name on my uh uh Comcast account. 30 minutes is 389 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,600 all it took them to catch on that I 390 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,280 changed my name and they started sending 391 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,000 advertisements. I don't trust them to 392 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,160 have law enforcement in my best interest 393 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,880 at heart. So I'm inclined to believe 394 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,919 that flat cameras do surveil but no more 395 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:40,720 than anything else in our society and 396 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,160 that with a good intention at least in 397 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,960 initial fact behind that. My other um 398 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,200 comment about the flat cameras is that I 399 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,880 am not a police officer and I don't want 400 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,200 to be one. I'm not a city council person 401 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,120 making decisions about what Warrenville 402 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,840 should do. I don't want to be that. And 403 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,919 because I don't want to take on those 404 00:19:01,919 --> 00:19:04,559 responsibilities, I have to trust the 405 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:06,480 people who have been elected or hired to 406 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,919 do that. And I do I think that at least 407 00:19:09,919 --> 00:19:11,520 in Warrenville, now they may be being 408 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,039 abused elsewhere in the country, but at 409 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:15,600 least in Warrenville, I trust our police 410 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,600 and I trust our city council members to 411 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,720 have our best interest at heart. And I I 412 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,600 believe that we should let them do that. 413 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,120 Couple of years ago, I attended the 414 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,679 Citizens Police Academy. If any of you 415 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:29,280 are worried about the police in 416 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,600 Warrenville or want to know more about 417 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,440 how they operate or why the flock 418 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,440 cameras are here and why they're good, 419 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,840 go attend the Citizens Police Academy. I 420 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,160 learned so much and I came away feeling 421 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,080 much safer and much more confident in 422 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,440 what the city's decisions are. So, thank 423 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,559 you. 424 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:49,280 >> Thank you. So, Phil Evans, 425 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,600 then Anthony Spears, 426 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,840 and then 427 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,160 shut the 428 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,480 >> little guy. 429 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,600 Philison. Yep. 430 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,760 >> My name is Philip Ebson. I live on Menon 431 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,320 Drive. Um, yeah, here to speak out 432 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,120 against the flock cameras. Um, like the 433 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:09,200 other lady mentioned, I think you know 434 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,320 2023 when this technology came to you 435 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,480 guys and you approved it. Um, I don't 436 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,880 think we really understood fully what we 437 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,360 were approving, but now it's 2026 and my 438 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,039 main worry is what is this country going 439 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:25,360 to look like in 2036 when there's a 440 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:27,919 camera on every street corner and facial 441 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:30,400 recognition and all this technologies 442 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,000 being ran through these huge data 443 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,120 centers with AI, you know, profiling 444 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:36,640 basically every human being in this 445 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,240 country. Um, I just these draget mass 446 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,919 surveillance programs just seem like a 447 00:20:41,919 --> 00:20:44,320 huge, you know, violation of our rights 448 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,400 and it just seems like this country is 449 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,000 going in the wrong direction if that's 450 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,080 the direction we're going down. So, I 451 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:51,520 think there's just two things we're kind 452 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,360 of asking you guys to do. The easy thing 453 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,520 would be end the Flock contract and get 454 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,520 rid of the cameras. And then the second 455 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,159 thing, because Flock is not the only 456 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:02,559 company with this technology or trying 457 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:04,559 to implement this technology. There's 458 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,960 dozens of them out there. Um, so if we 459 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,240 could come up with some type of law or 460 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,480 ordinance that would basically just 461 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,200 blanket somehow blanket ban, you know, 462 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,440 future companies coming into Warrenville 463 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,200 trying to set up these mass surveillance 464 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,200 systems. Um, yeah, I think that's pretty 465 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,960 much all we're asking for is just get 466 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,520 rid of the flaw contract and prevent 467 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,280 future companies from coming into here 468 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,159 and uh making us feel insecure in our 469 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:30,799 privacy. So that's it. 470 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:33,760 >> Thank you. Anthony Spears and then Neth 471 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:46,630 and Seth Chupathy and then Steve Alish. 472 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,120 Good evening. My name is Anthony Spears 473 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:50,320 and I live here in Warrenville in 474 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,120 Winchester. um obviously here to speak 475 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,200 about the uh flock safety license plate 476 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,799 readers that have been installed under 477 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,280 resolutions R2022-49 478 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,240 and R2023-69. 479 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,000 I understand these cameras are intended 480 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,559 to help resolve crimes, find missing 481 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:09,120 persons, and I see why adding them 482 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,200 seemed like a reasonable step in 2022 483 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,960 and 2023. 484 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,480 However, after seeing one installed near 485 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,720 my front door and researching how these 486 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,640 systems operate, 487 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,240 I believe there is vital information the 488 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,640 council and the public deserve to know 489 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,880 before committing to another round of 490 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,880 funding. 491 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,559 Trust us is not a policy 492 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,400 and Flock, Inc. is not the Warrenville 493 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,480 PD, but they have all the data that 494 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,960 Warrenville PD has. 495 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,720 And while we have access to basic search 496 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,960 data through Flux public portal, 497 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,120 specific data linking camera usage to 498 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,280 actual arrests is unavailable from the 499 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,760 Warrenville Police Department. We simply 500 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,919 have no way to evaluate the systems 501 00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:52,640 effectiveness, its cost per arrest, or 502 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,159 how many innocent residents movements 503 00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:57,600 are logged relative to actual outcomes. 504 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,200 Furthermore, our department's ALPR 505 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,720 policy lacks an independent audit 506 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,200 provision to review search inquiries or 507 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,520 detect misuse. This is not a 508 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,480 hypothetical concern as others have have 509 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,320 spoken about over the uh past year. 510 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,240 Officers across the country, including 511 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,320 Illinois, have been disciplined or 512 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,080 charged for using this technology for 513 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,080 personal reasons. 514 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,679 State records also revealed instances 515 00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:21,120 where Illinois camera data was 516 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:22,640 improperly accessed by out of state 517 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,919 entities in violation of state 518 00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:26,720 protections. 519 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,480 And I raised this not to allege mis 520 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,400 misconduct locally, but because we 521 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,400 currently have no structural way to 522 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,960 verify proper use. 523 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,159 Uh to look at public search audit log 524 00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:39,840 suggests a potential pattern of 525 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,559 selection fatigue when officers log 526 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,640 search justifications. 527 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,360 For example, alcohol offense non-DUI, 528 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:48,720 which happens to be the very first 529 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,039 option in a dropdown, 530 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:52,559 accounts for every single search 531 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:54,720 conducted during the early morning shift 532 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,110 of July 17th. 533 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:01,039 There were nine of those in a row, just 534 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:03,600 hours apart. 535 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,480 Section 11.16 of our contract with Flock 536 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,840 contains a non-appropriation clause 537 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,600 allowing us to terminate without penalty 538 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,480 upon 30 days notice. I respectfully ask 539 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,720 that an agenda be added to the next 540 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,200 regular city council meeting to deflock 541 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,880 Warrenville seconds 542 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,880 >> by calling for the approval to not renew 543 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,279 flock surveillance camera contracts when 544 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:24,960 it comes up for renewal. Thank you for 545 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,240 your time. 546 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,909 >> Thank you. Uh New Bethan, 547 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:34,880 then Steve Alish 548 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:42,549 and Brendan Clever. 549 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,640 Good evening everybody. My name is 550 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,200 Nathan Zipathy. I've been living in 551 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,480 Warrenville for about five years now. 552 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,360 Um, and I also wanted to talk about the 553 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,159 flock cameras. And as several of the 554 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,320 people who have gone before me have uh 555 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,640 brought up, I think there are maybe two 556 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,640 angles here. The first one being how 557 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,279 this feeds into a national mass 558 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,279 surveillance network and the way the 559 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:10,880 ways it's been abused or misused. Um I 560 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,200 kind of wanted to focus on just my own 561 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,760 findings in the Warrenville transparency 562 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,360 portal just to keep this more 563 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,559 Warrenville centric. Um there are a list 564 00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:22,880 of prohibited use cases on the 565 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,440 transparency portal. One of which is 566 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,400 traffic infractions. uh one of the audit 567 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,200 um polls from a 30-day period from June 568 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,240 through July listed uh several traffic 569 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640 infractions as the reason for the 570 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,120 quering of the flock system. So in 571 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:41,360 Warrenville's own portal, it is being 572 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,360 stated that it will not be used for 573 00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:44,960 traffic infractions, but when you pull 574 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,039 the audit records, it actually is being 575 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:50,880 used for that. Um, I think this product, 576 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,200 uh, from the the data drops I've seen 577 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,400 from the FOIA request would be that this 578 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,480 was sold as a way to identify missing 579 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,240 persons, robberies, um, car theft. 580 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,400 However, it does not appear to be used 581 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,080 in that manner when pulling the audit 582 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,600 records from the transparency portal. So 583 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,240 again, one angle might be national mass 584 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,080 surveillance, but I think a second angle 585 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,320 would be how is this being used 586 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,640 responsibly and accountably in 587 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,799 Warrenville itself. 588 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,200 So uh because of that, I would like to 589 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,440 also request that an agenda item be 590 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,039 added to the next Warrenville city 591 00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:31,039 council meeting to deflock Warrenville 592 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,960 by calling for the approval to not renew 593 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,720 the flock surveillance camera contract 594 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,840 when it comes up for renewal. Thank you. 595 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,720 >> Thank you, Steve Alish. 596 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,120 Then Brandon Cleber 597 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:55,430 and then Grace Baylor. 598 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,080 Yeah, I'm Steve Alish into here. I'm 599 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,120 Steve Alish and uh I live on Warrenville 600 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:04,799 Road and it's great to see you all. We 601 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,400 uh I've been before you a few times. Um, 602 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,400 I want to start out by saying that, 603 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,799 you know, the seven older person sitting 604 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,880 here, 605 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,720 um, 606 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,039 they made a decision which to me was a 607 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:25,840 wasteful decision. Uh, we spent $230,000 608 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,480 of our hard-earned taxpayer dollars to 609 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,600 enter into a contract with Flock to pay 610 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,559 them to spy on us and use an AI system 611 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:39,360 that shares to a nationwide database our 612 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,919 license plate numbers, our location, our 613 00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:44,320 date time, the date and time we were 614 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,159 driving, our cars make, model, color, 615 00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:50,240 and identifying features as somebody 616 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,480 else mentioned like dents and rrook. 617 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,440 roof racks and bumper stickers. And 618 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,320 they're doing this whenever 619 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,039 and wherever we drive, 620 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:02,559 not just in Warrenville, all over the 621 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:04,159 country. 622 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:09,360 Uh, this system is in 49 states. There's 623 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,440 131,000 LPRs. LPRs are license plate 624 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,960 readers. 625 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,840 Uh it's a hundred cities have canled 626 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,720 or not renewed the flock contract. So 627 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,480 you can do it. And 628 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:34,480 um Evston and Oak Park locally here have 629 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,399 canceled theirs. 630 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:40,399 And I am troubled by the fact that on um 631 00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:44,240 December 23rd, 2023, seven council 632 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,080 members here, 633 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,320 uh they approved 634 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,600 the final contract which 635 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,240 uh added like got us up to about 14 of 636 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,720 these cameras around the perimeter of 637 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,360 the city. The idea is they want to know 638 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,960 every time we come in and out of 639 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,120 Warrenville. 640 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:07,520 And um they they did that using the 641 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,440 consent agenda. 642 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,039 So I'll give you the benefit of the 643 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,520 doubt if people don't know. And the 644 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,120 consent agenda is only supposed to be 645 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,799 for non-controversial 646 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,559 administrative things, not for something 647 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,200 important that the public needs to know 648 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,200 about. Uh so I'll just give them the 649 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,679 benefit of the doubt that they didn't 650 00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:26,559 realize how 651 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,880 >> 30 seconds important this was. 652 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,080 >> So um maybe you can uh correct that 653 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,360 though. 654 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,240 And I'll just finish by uh also saying I 655 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,480 respectfully ask that an agenda item be 656 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,640 added to the next regular Warrenville 657 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,000 city council meeting to deflock Warville 658 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,240 by calling for the approval to not renew 659 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,320 the flock surveillance camera contract 660 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,080 when it comes up for renewal. Don't 661 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,600 cancelling and just turn them off. Put 662 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:56,720 bags over them. 663 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,679 >> Time. 664 00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:02,080 >> Thank you. Thank you Brendan Cleber. 665 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,799 and Grace Baylor. 666 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,799 Looks like Steve Pacheco. I apologize if 667 00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:11,110 I mispronounced anyone's names. 668 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,039 » Hi, I'm Brandon Klyber. Um, and like 669 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:16,799 many others, I'm here today because I'm 670 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:19,200 mad at my local government for approving 671 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,720 this Orwellian nightmare of these mass 672 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,279 surveillance cameras. I don't think 673 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,799 enough of us are being alarmist 674 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:32,880 enough about this. These things are 675 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,600 comically insidious. 676 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,880 It's as though someone dreamed up the 677 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,120 most nightmarish solution to security 678 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,840 and force that on us. And I would ask 679 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,760 this council 680 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,640 to do everything within its power to get 681 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,120 this out of our community. This is not 682 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,279 what Warrenville is. This is not what 683 00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,320 America is. These cameras, the whole 684 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,559 nature of mass surveillance goes very 685 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:03,840 much against our small town community 686 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,720 image that so many of us love about 687 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,840 Warrenville. That is all I have to say. 688 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,950 >> Thank you, Grace Baylor. 689 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,919 Then Steve Pacheco and Ed, I'm sorry I 690 00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:22,399 can't read the last name. Ed M. 691 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:25,440 >> Hello, my name is Grace Bales. Um, I'm 692 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,440 actually not a resident of Warrenville. 693 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,919 I live in Montgomery, Illinois. Um, but 694 00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:32,240 I do visit Warrenville almost daily. I 695 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,799 work here in the Canara Industrial Park. 696 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,279 Um, so the flock camera issue is one 697 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,640 that does directly affect me every day. 698 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360 Um, so I would like to encourage the 699 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,679 council to invoke the non-appropriation 700 00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:48,960 clause in its contract with Flock and to 701 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,159 adopt policies that will um prevent the 702 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:54,960 use of any ALPR cameras in the future 703 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,799 moving forward. The ability for a flock 704 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,000 to uh be accessed by any outofstate 705 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,880 entity that has a contract with Flock is 706 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,760 extremely concerning. Um, I think 707 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,799 frankly it's a little bit terrifying. um 708 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,399 the fact that they don't need any 709 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,799 warrants to make these searches and the 710 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:17,600 fact that law-abiding citizens are 711 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,279 included in this database um that is 712 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,559 collected um creates an unconstitutional 713 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,159 drag net. Um 714 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,399 as people have already been stated or 715 00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:33,279 stated here um there have already been 716 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,640 many many instances of misuse um that 717 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,399 have been reported through audits and I 718 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:40,080 don't think there's enough transparency 719 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,840 about what the cameras are really being 720 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,159 used for. Um so again I please uh ask 721 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:49,279 you to just reconsider uh the stance 722 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,440 here and reconsider the contract with 723 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080 flock moving forward. 724 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,720 Thank you and welcome to Warrenville, by 725 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,519 the way. Steve Pacheo, 726 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,320 then Ed M. 727 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,830 And then Jamie Reed. 728 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,960 Good [clears throat] evening, council. 729 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,480 Although the current Supreme Court may 730 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,679 not agree, in 1967 the case cats versus 731 00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:15,519 United States, the government argued 732 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,519 that attaching a covert microphone to 733 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:19,120 the outside of a telephone booth was 734 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,120 considered a lawful search. The court 735 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,039 disagreed with this assertion as hats 736 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,440 exhibited an expectation of privacy when 737 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,360 he walked into the booth and that the 738 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,039 words he utters into the mouthpiece will 739 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:30,960 not be broadcast to the world. The 740 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,480 majority opinion of the Supreme Court 741 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,159 concluded that Katz's expectation of 742 00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,240 privacy was sound and that the 743 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:37,840 electronic capture of his voice counts 744 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,600 as a search under the Fourth Amendment 745 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,000 which necessitated a warrant. Later in 746 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,399 Smith versus Maryland in 1979, a 747 00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:46,240 two-prong test came about which 748 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,080 determines whether a search has occurred 749 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,000 that is subject to the Fourth Amendment. 750 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,399 One, a person has exhibited an actual 751 00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:55,039 subjective expectation of privacy, 752 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,200 perhaps say in a glasswalled container 753 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,640 called your car while you're driving to 754 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,120 the grocery store. And two, society is 755 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,960 prepared to recognize this expectation 756 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,600 is objectively reasonable. 757 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,480 If I'm if if I'm on a road, I don't need 758 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,240 to know what what the other people in 759 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:11,599 the other cars are going to. I don't 760 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:13,119 need to know anything about them other 761 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,679 than that they're driving safely. Should 762 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,440 we have an expectation of privacy when 763 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,200 driving around? Everyone can see us and 764 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,879 identify as us by car and license plate 765 00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,720 number, but they don't get to know my 766 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,320 name or my favorite color without 767 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,399 asking. The flock system can put my 768 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:28,079 info, including name and favorite color, 769 00:34:28,079 --> 00:34:30,159 into a neat little package for anyone 770 00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,320 with access to the system to look up. 771 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,760 Anyone with access to the system, 772 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,760 includes the government itself. So, the 773 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,359 government can know my name, location, 774 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:39,359 direction, and can likely deduce origin 775 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:41,839 and destination by the open source intel 776 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:44,800 that that Flock AI can use. To me, that 777 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,159 sounds like a search covered under the 778 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,679 Fourth Amendment done without a warrant 779 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,839 or even probable cause. I'm not a 780 00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:51,599 lawyer, and much of the above case comes 781 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,280 from Wikipedia. But I feel it is 782 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,119 essential to get these cameras out of 783 00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:56,720 our neighborhoods and lives. They are 784 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:58,480 vectors of abuse for the worst people in 785 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,720 society to use against us. I feel the 786 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,440 objective should be to identify where 787 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,480 these flock cameras are and work with 788 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,040 local local councils to get them 789 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,520 removed. We do this together, we win 790 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,119 against the surveillance state. Thank 791 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:14,400 you. 792 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,320 Now Ed M and Jamie Riani 793 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:28,710 James. 794 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,880 » Hi, my name is Ed Marciniac. I'm a 795 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,480 Warrenville resident. I live on Bear 796 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,000 Circle with my wife. We picked 797 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,920 Warrenville to start our family here. We 798 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,000 have two children and uh we really love 799 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,599 it here. There's a true sense of 800 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,720 community. One thing that I feel really 801 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,040 goes That is the presence of the flock 802 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,440 cameras in our lives. I'm a cyber 803 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,200 security engineer with over 20 years of 804 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,520 experience. I have extensive experience 805 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,520 and expertise in building secure 806 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,599 auditable systems in highly regulated 807 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,280 industries. 808 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,640 Everything I'm citing comes from the 809 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,480 city's own published materials. As of 810 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,119 this afternoon, for every one search 811 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,880 this department ran last month, it 812 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,640 collected roughly, well, not even this 813 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,800 department, the other agencies that have 814 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,040 access to the data from Illinois by 815 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,720 default. 816 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,599 It collected roughly 4,450 817 00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,320 scans of people it never searched for. 818 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,160 712,000 819 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,079 scans in 30 days for 160 searches 820 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,320 straight from the transparency portal. 821 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,920 Seems like a pretty disproportionate 822 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,800 amount. And as I read the search log, 823 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,480 the stated reasons are things like 824 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,760 traffic, suspended, criminal, one word. 825 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,839 What kind of an audit log is that? If 826 00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:40,320 you were actually putting the data, the 827 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,000 controls that you state exist in your 828 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,200 FAQs to an auditor, they would laugh you 829 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,760 out of the room looking at that log. No 830 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,920 one would ever certify that. That is 831 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,599 like the biggest croc that those are 832 00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:55,200 valid reasons. Your FAQ says it access 833 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,280 requires a legitimate law enforcement 834 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,359 reason tied to a case. Your own log 835 00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:01,599 shows a text box someone typed into. 836 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,680 That's the appearance of oversight, not 837 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,640 actual oversight. Your FAQ calls this 838 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,960 sharing narrow. Your portal lists over 839 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,040 300 agencies with standing access to 840 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,440 Warville data right now. Both can't be 841 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,280 true. No one asked me. I didn't consent. 842 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,680 I can't opt out. and I can't see what's 843 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,200 been collected on me unless I want to go 844 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,040 through an arduous foyer process because 845 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,880 there is no true transparency in this 846 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,560 scenario. 847 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,599 So, a few things 848 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,000 of the 5,543 849 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,760 hot list hits that are reported in the 850 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,760 last 30 days, how many were verified 851 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,320 accurate? How many were wrong? Since 852 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,240 2022, how many crimes against 853 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:41,680 Warrenville residents were solved 854 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,160 because of the system? Not assisted by, 855 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,000 solved by. Where did it benefit the 856 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000 community? 857 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,079 And in that same breath, I would ask 858 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:51,440 each of you to publish your own travel 859 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,280 records, where you go on official 860 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,839 business, on our time, in our vehicles, 861 00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,079 our taxes pay for along with any hits 862 00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:59,520 your own plates have generated in the 863 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,440 system. Not because I think 864 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,560 >> 30 seconds 865 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,720 >> wrong because you're spending public 866 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:07,760 money and acting on our behalf. And that 867 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,280 record belongs to the people you 868 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,680 represent. You've decided residents 869 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,760 movement should be collected without 870 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,079 being asked. I'm asking you to publish 871 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:19,040 yours voluntarily. 872 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,000 Thank you, James Riiani. 873 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:33,190 And then Christopher Vulpi. 874 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,000 Hey everybody, my name is James Riani. A 875 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640 lot of you know me as Jamie. 876 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,560 Uh, 877 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,880 Mayor Johnson knows who I am and what I 878 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:47,359 do. I own businesses, a few of them. One 879 00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:50,000 of them is a large printing business. 880 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,480 It's in Chicago. 881 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,880 Um I also own uh one of the corners of 882 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,320 Belmont and Sheffield in Chicago which 883 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,200 um I'm selling and I want to move my 884 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,119 printing business. Want to move it 885 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,079 closer to home. So I'm going to speak to 886 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:09,520 you in a language that everybody here 887 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,200 can understand. taxes. 888 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,160 Last year, my businesses paid $200,000 889 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,920 in taxes last year. I want to pay it 890 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,119 here in Warrenville so I can walk to 891 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,320 work, walk to my shop, 892 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,119 have an easy day. That's worth it for 893 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:32,880 me. 894 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:37,359 I'm not doing it if those cameras are in 895 00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:41,839 this town. I need you to remove them. I 896 00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:44,079 go from Warrenville to Chicago every 897 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,200 day. I see enough cameras. I go to 898 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,040 Hermosa every day. Anybody know where 899 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,640 that is? It's a neighborhood in the 900 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,560 middle of Chicago. And then I go to Lake 901 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,839 View. Every day. 902 00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,000 The last thing that I want is to be in 903 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,839 my hometown, 904 00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:01,680 quaint little Warrenville, which is why 905 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,079 I moved here 22 years ago, little farm 906 00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:05,680 town, 907 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,760 and be watched 908 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,480 by some government entity that is 909 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,520 tracking me. It's tracking all of us 910 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,400 with my money, my $200,000 in taxes. 911 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,200 You ain't going to get it if those 912 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,079 cameras are still here. 913 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,800 And I'll take it a step further. If you 914 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,440 vote for him again, I'll use everything 915 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,040 in my power to make sure that you're 916 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,720 voted out. And here's how I'm going to 917 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:38,480 do it. I'm in a printing plant. 918 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,880 I can go with anybody who opposes you 919 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,359 and I can blanket this town with 920 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:48,320 signage, banners, print. 921 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,960 I can put it everywhere. I can make sure 922 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,240 that you lose and you lo all the tax 923 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:56,480 money as well. 924 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,200 That can happen. I don't want to be 925 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,200 watched and this is what's at risk. 926 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,119 Have a good day. 927 00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:06,758 Chris, 928 00:41:06,758 --> 00:41:09,430 [applause] 929 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,640 appreciate everybody's comments. 930 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,760 Christopher Vulpi 931 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:27,670 >> and then Jason 932 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,359 Hello everyone. Thank you, Mayor 933 00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:31,200 Johnson. Thank you, city officials for 934 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,280 holding this meeting. 935 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,839 My name is Staff Sergeant Vulpi. I'm a 936 00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:37,839 three-time combat veteran with over 20 937 00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:39,760 years service in the United States Army. 938 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,200 Was born and raised in West Chicago, 939 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,599 Illinois. Currently work in the public 940 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:45,760 sector in Warville. And I hope some of 941 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,720 you or most of you recognize my face. I 942 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,560 passed 10 flat cameras just to get to 943 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,480 work. As much as I would like to stand 944 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,839 in front of you today and state my 945 00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:55,760 opinion on those who choose safety over 946 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,920 liberty, I will not. Just facts and 947 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,440 truth. So, here's the honest truth. 948 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,680 Inflation today is at near 7% for a 949 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,599 30-year mortgage on a shitty house at 950 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,520 half a million dollars. Money is 951 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,839 printed. Our savings are devalued. And 952 00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:11,520 because money is not backed by anything, 953 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,119 there is no end in sight. The value of 954 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:16,079 the dollar is falling faster than people 955 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,079 are receiving raises and hardworking 956 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,640 Warville families struggle every year. 957 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,880 Today, the dollar is worth only 39 cents 958 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,000 compared to a dollar in 1990. Inflation 959 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,960 is taxation without legislation. 960 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,000 We as Americans can feel this. Today, we 961 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,599 are taxed on our income through federal, 962 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,599 state, and city taxes, Medicare, Social 963 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,359 Security, and if you work for yourself, 964 00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,599 you pay an additional tax. 965 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:41,280 We are taxed on what we buy through 966 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,079 sales tax, gas tax, road tax, car tax. 967 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:45,920 But hey, maybe that's just small items. 968 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,680 If you want to invest, buy land, pay 969 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,839 property tax, followed by capital gains 970 00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:53,680 tax, inheritance tax, some states, death 971 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,119 tax. Today, Americans pay 25 to 30% of 972 00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:00,079 their total income on taxes. 973 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,520 These cameras are starting to sound a 974 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,720 lot like a digital [snorts] slavery. 975 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,520 Flock cameras, Axon, and other AI 976 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,800 cameras cost approximately 3,500 per 977 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,599 camera paid for by the taxpayers to 978 00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,839 screw the taxpayers. 979 00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:17,599 Orville currently has 14 of these 980 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,240 cameras. These cameras have the ability 981 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,000 to find drivers, issue moving 982 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,480 violations, site insurance infractions, 983 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,240 registration compliance, and track your 984 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:28,000 every move. 985 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,960 Facial and gate recognition as well. 986 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,680 These 14 cameras cover every major 987 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,520 entrance and exit in town. Even 988 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,760 Blackwell Forest Preserve, a place where 989 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,079 kids play, and people go to get away 990 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,640 from technology. But hey, cameras catch 991 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,440 bad guys, right? According to Google and 992 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,160 Chad GBT, many untrusted public figures 993 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,680 have already misused Flack data in 994 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,280 Illinois. 995 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,119 However, Flock will not disclose its 996 00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,599 metrics on how many lives it saved of a 997 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,400 slightly faster police response. 998 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,280 But innocent people have been caught in 999 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,960 the crosshairs. And make no mistake, we 1000 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,960 have an incredible capable police force 1001 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,119 here in Warrenville. 1002 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,440 >> In 2025, Warrenville's violent crime 1003 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,640 stats are among the lowest in the state. 1004 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,200 At about 25 violent acts per year, and 1005 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:23,040 statistically, these crimes are done whether or not 1006 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,680 there are cameras. So, why must we, the 1007 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,079 law-abiding citizens, pay? Do you want 1008 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,720 your children rest of their lives? 1009 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,680 I want these cameras taken down. 1010 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,160 >> Thank you. And finally, uh, Jason 1011 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:49,270 Neville. 1012 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,040 Hi, everybody. Got a little different 1013 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,800 topic for you. Uh, my name is Jason Ael 1014 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,480 and I'm one of the two brothers of Two 1015 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,359 Brothers Brewing Company. Uh, about 31 1016 00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:02,000 years ago, I reached out to the mayor of 1017 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,960 this awesome town and asked if we could 1018 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,920 open a small brewery and she said, "I 1019 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,119 don't know what that means, but let's 1020 00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,000 talk about it." So, 30 years later, 1021 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,880 we've been uh making beer, coffee, all 1022 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,200 kinds of stuff. a active part of the 1023 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,280 community and we're looking to uh expand 1024 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,000 and and develop the corner of Route 59 1025 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,960 and Route 56 and just wanted to touch 1026 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,680 base on that a little bit. Um I think 1027 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,119 there's a little confusion about the 1028 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,680 TIFF. We heard a little earlier that 1029 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,640 there is a TIFF request and that's true. 1030 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,680 Um it is self-funded through the 1031 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,760 property. It does not go to to the 180 1032 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,079 town homes. There are town homes that 1033 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,960 are projected there, but there's also uh 1034 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,400 commercial and retail, including us 1035 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,520 moving a new restaurant and cafe there, 1036 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,599 which we're very excited about. We've 1037 00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,480 been hidden in the industrial park for 1038 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,960 well 30 years and looking forward to get 1039 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,000 out front of it and um being on a ma 1040 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,560 major street. um that TIF money, the 1041 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,640 TIFF district was built for this project 1042 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,160 because there's so much infrastructure 1043 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,040 that has to happen on that property. Um 1044 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,280 so that's what that goes towards. It's 1045 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,160 going to be well over 50 cents on the 1046 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,839 dollar 1047 00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:26,160 in generation that will go back to the 1048 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:31,760 tax payers. Um so much like Canara um 1049 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,000 which is brought up earlier. So it's 1050 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,599 actually a great project. We've been 1051 00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,680 looking forward to doing this for years. 1052 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,079 Um, and we're quite excited about the 1053 00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,760 opportunity to do it now. Um, we've come 1054 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,880 up with a bunch of different uh, ideas. 1055 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,960 This one has the most opportunity. Um, 1056 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,079 it's a real project and it's going to be 1057 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:57,440 about $82 million overall. Um, so 1058 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,800 there's a lot at stake. Um but it's 1059 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,240 going to develop into a beautiful space 1060 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,359 with a a communal 1061 00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:09,359 park that we're putting in there. So um 1062 00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:11,280 just continuing over our 30 years of 1063 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,000 being active part of the community and 1064 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,240 uh so we look forward to working with 1065 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,960 you. That's all I have to say. Thanks. 1066 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,160 Thank you. We appreciate you coming out 1067 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,079 tonight. Thanks very much. So that 1068 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,160 concludes uh the public comment portion 1069 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,000 of tonight's meeting. And as I noted 1070 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,520 before 1071 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,280 uh before the public comment section 1072 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,800 began, the council deeply and very much 1073 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,880 does appreciate all the comments 1074 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,400 everyone brought brought in this 1075 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,480 evening. And you should all be proud of 1076 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,599 that as a small community that we all uh 1077 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,599 love very much or else we wouldn't be 1078 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,520 sitting up here and you wouldn't have 1079 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,079 come out tonight. So kudos to everybody 1080 00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:49,599 for bringing your comments to the table 1081 00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,160 tonight. So with that in mind though I 1082 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,400 said that we generally do not uh comment 1083 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,040 from the dis unless it's an agenda item 1084 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,880 because we do like to research things. 1085 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,720 We do like to find out the answers to 1086 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:02,720 questions you brought forward. We don't 1087 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,480 do anything 1088 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,079 necessarily the night somebody brings it 1089 00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,079 to us in a public comment. So it's not 1090 00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:09,599 an agenda item. Somebody mentioned it 1091 00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:11,920 earlier. Well if I knew about it was I 1092 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,839 said well it wasn't on the agenda. It's 1093 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:16,079 being brought to us as a concern and a 1094 00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:18,000 comment from members of the community. 1095 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,800 So, uh, that's not an answer to the 1096 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,640 folks who say, "Well, just take a vote 1097 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,240 right up here right now and cancel it." 1098 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,079 That's all I want and you'll make me 1099 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,040 happy. That's not how the council works 1100 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,440 and not how generally governance works. 1101 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,359 It takes a little while. So, with this 1102 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,839 in mind, I ask those who post questions 1103 00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:38,319 about the license plate reader tool, the 1104 00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:41,520 flock tool, uh, if you have a particular 1105 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,160 question that you didn't speak on 1106 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,839 tonight, that you put it in writing to 1107 00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:48,720 us or that you get it to Chief Bonia. 1108 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,119 Chief will wave to everyone. And he's 1109 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:52,880 very approachable and you've heard some 1110 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,559 great compliments about the police force 1111 00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,960 in town. We are a safe community. We 1112 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,480 have great officers working on our 1113 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,559 behalf every single day keeping us that 1114 00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,040 way. So we can all be very proud of that 1115 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,040 and I know chief would love to sit down 1116 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,800 and chat with you or answer any of your 1117 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,880 particular questions about how it's used 1118 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,359 here and particular maybe to some of the 1119 00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:13,119 questions that were raised about the 1120 00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:14,800 audit trail and some of the data that's 1121 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,280 there that seems to be just one 1122 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,720 perspective ever changing you know the audit factors and those things that 1123 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:23,359 have been brought to us. So regardless, 1124 00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:26,240 um, get information, get us particular 1125 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,319 questions, get questions asked to Chief 1126 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:31,520 Bonia. And I know staff will update the 1127 00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,079 FAQs and the website to address the 1128 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,160 comments and questions concerned and 1129 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,920 brought to us this evening. And I'm sure 1130 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,520 the council will be considering it at a 1131 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,160 future date as the contract does come up 1132 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,680 for renewal, which I know a number of 1133 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,079 you are requesting simply just stop it 1134 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,000 going forward. So that will be reviewed 1135 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,119 in the future. And again, um, I thank 1136 00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,119 you all for very much for attending and 1137 00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:54,800 the respectful way you all treated one 1138 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,960 another as well as your city government. 1139 00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:58,319 So, thank you very much for coming out 1140 00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:00,240 this evening. We're now going to proceed 1141 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:01,760 on to the rest of our agenda this 1142 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,119 evening. So, with that, um, you are 1143 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,280 welcome to stay and see the rest of the 1144 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,440 meeting. We do have consent agenda items 1145 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,599 and we do have some other discussions on 1146 00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,359 things before us, but we all also 1147 00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:15,200 understand that you are busy people and 1148 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,800 have a lot going on in your lives as 1149 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,800 well. But please stay say stay if you 1150 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:23,920 wish. So under mayor's comments um 1151 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,920 in addition to our comments and 1152 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,240 discussions tonight from public comment 1153 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,880 national night out again kudos to the ch 1154 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,960 the police and everybody involved in 1155 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,720 setting up the national night out. 1156 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,280 Fantastic attendance great feedback from 1157 00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,200 the public that came out that evening. 1158 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,640 Uh and fortunately it was one of the 1159 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,960 nice weather days we had in in the last 1160 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,599 few weeks. Summer days finished up. 1161 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,200 Kudos to the park district, everybody 1162 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,520 that was involved in that as well. Uh, 1163 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,280 and remember, kids are back to school, 1164 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,119 so be careful when you're out there 1165 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:55,599 driving around in the day-to-day basis. 1166 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,240 Um, also, while there's a lot of 1167 00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,720 community members ushering out, kudos to 1168 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,480 everybody here as to how you treated one 1169 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,400 another the last few days with the 1170 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,559 storms that came through town. Between 1171 00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,720 the cicas and the chainsaws, that's 1172 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,040 pretty much all I heard. But I saw a lot 1173 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,119 of friends out helping each other clear 1174 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:14,640 their brush and bring things to the 1175 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,839 curb. And to the staff and the city uh 1176 00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:19,839 workers who have been working on it and 1177 00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:21,200 who have reached out to neighboring 1178 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,680 communities to help as well. I know 1179 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,240 there are a number of uh workers out 1180 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,319 there from Bartlett and maybe Hanover 1181 00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:29,760 Park and a number of communities around 1182 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,599 us that have come to help us because 1183 00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,040 that was quite a storm that came through 1184 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,440 last Tuesday as we were all muddled 1185 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,000 downstairs here in the in city hall as 1186 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,359 hopefully you were taking shelter as 1187 00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:42,079 well. So with that, uh alderman, any 1188 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,839 comments? 1189 00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:45,760 Alderman Winer? 1190 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:49,440 Yeah, I just wanted to mention that um 1191 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,720 I'd like to clarify procedures relevant 1192 00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:55,359 to pulling agenda items and changing 1193 00:51:55,359 --> 00:51:58,240 them. I found it curious that an 1194 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,680 alderman contacted me today to ask me 1195 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,319 about my vote on a certain agenda item 1196 00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:07,359 for this meeting and we had a brief but 1197 00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:09,626 healthy discussion. The alderman 1198 00:52:09,626 --> 00:52:12,079 [clears throat] mentioned the alderman 1199 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,960 preferred to attend a different event 1200 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,680 tonight would be absent at this council 1201 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,559 meeting. The alderman then told me that 1202 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,880 if I was to vote a certain way that the 1203 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,000 alderman would contact city staff and 1204 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,640 advise them that the petitioner should 1205 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,400 withdraw the agenda item related to the 1206 00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,559 uh petition and [clears throat] have it 1207 00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,319 be postponed 1208 00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:39,520 uh until the alderman could be present 1209 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,066 for the vote. 1210 00:52:41,066 --> 00:52:41,119 >> [clears throat] 1211 00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:43,040 >> at 3:18. 1212 00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:48,319 Uh, the agenda item was referred to and 1213 00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:51,520 dropped out of the tonight's agenda at 1214 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,400 the request of the developer. And I just 1215 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,319 find this 1216 00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:58,240 um 1217 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,079 something that we should consider going 1218 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,319 forward if uh we're going to remove 1219 00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:05,920 agenda items. I think there ought to be 1220 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,231 um a fair process. Thank you, 1221 00:53:09,231 --> 00:53:09,520 [clears throat] 1222 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,470 >> other alderman. Hold on. 1223 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,359 » Well, that was a lot and a surprise. I 1224 00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:19,440 guess my question would be for the city 1225 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,040 attorney. 1226 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,309 Um, 1227 00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:26,720 we have procedures, correct? When it 1228 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,079 comes to our agenda items and our omnous 1229 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:33,040 votes, uh, we have to post 48 days 1230 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,359 prior. I guess what would the pro and I 1231 00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:37,839 know the procedure as an elected 1232 00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:40,240 official the mayor or the alderman can 1233 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,400 take something off the agenda. My 1234 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,720 question would be 1235 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:49,200 what is that procedure in regards to 1236 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,280 either a petitioner or someone from the 1237 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,280 public requesting to take something off 1238 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,640 of our agenda? 1239 00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:02,400 Um, as as far as a a resident uh just a 1240 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,559 any resident requesting an item to be 1241 00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:07,760 removed from agenda, they would have no standing to do so. At the request of 1242 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,960 the petitioner, um whether that was to 1243 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,720 provide the council with additional 1244 00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:15,680 information. Um that's that's their 1245 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,240 right to ask for that that's their 1246 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,960 specific right to ask for that item to 1247 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,760 be deferred. Um assuming that is they're 1248 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,839 again gathering additional information. 1249 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:30,880 Um I know that this item has been up 1250 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,559 previously. So it could have been to 1251 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,760 address certain matters. Um but that's 1252 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,640 if it was a request made to the city. So 1253 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,800 if the if the petitioner requested it 1254 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,640 and city staff found it um amendable to 1255 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,480 it, it it could be pulled. But I that's 1256 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,040 I mean I'd have to look at the if there 1257 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,079 is a specific written procedure for that 1258 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:55,440 but a a person like a just any person 1259 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,760 could not ask for that item to be 1260 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:58,640 removed from. 1261 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,240 >> So I guess my question would then go to 1262 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:03,440 staff and ask what the reasoning was 1263 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,440 what the reason was given in order for 1264 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,440 them to 1265 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,240 suspend this or to defer it to the next 1266 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:11,040 meeting. 1267 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,040 >> So we received an email requesting that 1268 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,440 the item be continued. There wasn't a 1269 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,920 specific uh notation listing the reason. 1270 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,200 My assumption was that they had 1271 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,800 additional research or information they 1272 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,800 were pulling. 1273 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,040 >> And just as clarity do, then they they 1274 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,480 called me and they asked me if I had any 1275 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,160 problem removing from the agenda. And I 1276 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,240 said no. And out of respect for the the 1277 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:34,480 petitioner who's been a a longtime uh 1278 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,160 company and employer in town, I said 1279 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,880 sure, why not? So again, first time for 1280 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,800 me doing this, but uh having something 1281 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,160 pulled off an agenda. 1282 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:43,760 >> Yeah. Yeah, I just wasn't sure because I 1283 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,680 thought that I know we have to give 1284 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,599 notice. I thought they had to Did they 1285 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,359 give writ They did send you an email a 1286 00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:50,720 written 1287 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:55,040 >> so they gave 3 hours 3 hours 15 minutes 1288 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:55,839 notice. 1289 00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:57,200 >> It was received this afternoon. I I 1290 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,400 don't have the time stamp in front of me 1291 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,559 >> but it was it was this afternoon. My 1292 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,319 only thing is we have procedures for 1293 00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:05,680 this. So, it's just me looking at that, 1294 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,079 you know, and and saying exactly what 1295 00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:11,359 those are in regards to removing stuff 1296 00:56:11,359 --> 00:56:13,040 from agendas, how it needs to be 1297 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,319 notified, how much time there is, and 1298 00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:20,480 whether or not I guess if they're asking 1299 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,920 to give us or asking for more time for 1300 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,480 more information, then then would they 1301 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,319 in turn have to go back through the same 1302 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:31,040 process, meaning that they just give 1303 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,559 additional information and And then it 1304 00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,319 goes on the next meeting's consent 1305 00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:36,480 agenda 1306 00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,079 or if they would have to go through the 1307 00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,000 process again because we are now getting 1308 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,000 new information. So now that starts 1309 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,040 again. Again, the correspondence I 1310 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,200 received asked to continue the agenda 1311 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,119 item. There wasn't a specific reason 1312 00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,920 given beyond that. So I I assumed again 1313 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,359 that they were doing additional research 1314 00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:54,720 or had additional things they wanted to 1315 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,839 pull together. Um that is not what was 1316 00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:59,200 provided in the writing. in writing was 1317 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,880 a request to continue the item until 1318 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,520 September 8th. Um, our intention is this 1319 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,400 was received or presented before the 1320 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,319 city council at the last city council 1321 00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:11,280 meeting as a presentation item and it 1322 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,160 was previously on this agenda as a 1323 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,880 consent item. If we're moving it to the 1324 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,559 September 8th meeting, it would appear 1325 00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,880 again on the consent agenda with the 1326 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,960 opportunity for council members to 1327 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,559 remove it from the consent during that 1328 00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:26,640 agenda, during which time there could be 1329 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,720 additional testimony or presentation. 1330 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,319 The item can be acted on or continued 1331 00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:32,880 with any other regular agenda item. 1332 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,559 >> Would it be possible to get them to 1333 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,000 explain to us what additional 1334 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,440 information they're looking to provide 1335 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,760 us? Because I, as we look at this, I'm 1336 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,920 just, you know, I think they're here. 1337 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,319 Would it be possible to get them to 1338 00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:48,720 speak to what additional items they're 1339 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,520 looking to provide us or different 1340 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,799 >> different information? 1341 00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:54,880 >> Sorry, the agenda has already been re 1342 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,440 revised to to alert the public that the 1343 00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,680 item has been deferred to September 8th. 1344 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,520 out of the fairness for due process for 1345 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,520 the applicant as well as any other folks 1346 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:04,880 that may have wanted to speak about the 1347 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,640 item um that we could no long I would 1348 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:12,559 hate to have the applicant come in and talk about that without any other 1349 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,000 resident being able to comment on that 1350 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,319 because the agenda has been revised 1351 00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:19,200 which which statutory is is legal. Uh 1352 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,119 there's no I just want to for the record 1353 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:27,119 we we can we're not taking action on an the agenda so on an item um we 1354 00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:29,040 couldn't add something within that 48 1355 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,640 hours notice but an agenda can be 1356 00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,880 revised to remove items 1357 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,559 >> which I totally understand and none of 1358 00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:36,799 this would be a question had there not 1359 00:58:36,799 --> 00:58:39,920 been a conversation previously 1360 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,160 if you understand what I'm saying with 1361 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,200 regards to why this was removed and then 1362 00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,200 there's no answers it's just more 1363 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,559 information So, I'm just trying to get, 1364 00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,400 you know, some kind of bearing with 1365 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,960 regards to why this was removed. And I 1366 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,559 guess we'll see when they come back, 1367 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,040 they resubmit, we see what it is. But 1368 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,799 that's why I'm asking question. 1369 00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:03,520 >> Thank you. 1370 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,799 >> Reasonable question, 1371 00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:08,549 >> Alman Hashau. 1372 00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:12,799 » Just trying to understand the um not the 1373 00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:14,240 it's not the alderman that wants the 1374 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,200 item removed. It's 1375 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,760 another party. 1376 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,680 It's the developer. 1377 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,599 >> The applicant requested that the item be 1378 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:29,589 continued until September 8th. 1379 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:30,880 » I don't know. I'm just having a hard 1380 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,880 time with this. If this is how it's 1381 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,160 going to work, it's a whole change in 1382 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,319 the way we've done business. When we've 1383 00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:37,920 had something postponed, we've taken a 1384 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,640 vote of the council to have it postponed 1385 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,640 to a date certain or not. Um, if we 1386 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,240 don't have a memo or we don't have 1387 00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,319 something that tells us why this is 1388 00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:49,920 suddenly an emergency because one 1389 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:53,359 alderman's gone, um, I don't think it's 1390 00:59:53,359 --> 00:59:55,119 the right way to do business. Otherwise, 1391 00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,359 we're going to have alderman going on 1392 00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:59,280 vacation and calling in and saying, 1393 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,119 "Hey, I think we need this switched 1394 01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:03,680 because I won't be there to vote on it." 1395 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:05,200 Um, 1396 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,280 it stinks. 1397 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,280 Well, put put it on me because I when I 1398 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,480 got the call saying they were 1399 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,480 requesting, I didn't ask think to ask 1400 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,119 why, but we'll move move it on. Uh, 1401 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:17,280 Alderman Davalos. 1402 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,160 >> Yeah. I just wanted to share just a 1403 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,880 couple of experiences. We we have had 1404 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,040 issues in the time I've been here where 1405 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,480 a developer has requested 1406 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,480 more time. Something has come up, new 1407 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,559 information they found, whatever. And 1408 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,040 we've also postponed things when we 1409 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,359 didn't have a full council because they 1410 01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:38,799 were certain things, not every little 1411 01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:40,720 thing, but there were some things that 1412 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:46,079 were deemed um I guess by staff or 1413 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,720 it like in in the middle of the week or 1414 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,799 something so that alderman couldn't vote 1415 01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:52,799 on it, but have deemed that it was worth 1416 01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:55,359 waiting till we had all the elder here. 1417 01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:57,119 That doesn't happen very often. And I'm 1418 01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:58,319 not saying that's happened here, but 1419 01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:02,069 it's just 1420 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,240 I'm just sharing that experience that 1421 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,960 this isn't a new thing to have a a 1422 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,589 developer ask for an extension. 1423 01:01:11,599 --> 01:01:13,280 » Other Home Almer Wider. 1424 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,520 >> Yeah, I just wanted to go back to remind 1425 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,680 everyone that this was a extremely close 1426 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,480 vote. it was a tie vote in that there 1427 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,280 would be an advantage [clears throat] if 1428 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,680 an alderman was absent to having the 1429 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,720 item deferred to December 1430 01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,839 8 or September 8th to the prevailing 1431 01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:39,200 side. And I think that um there were 1432 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,160 people on the council and people at 1433 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,720 staff who realized the prevailing vote 1434 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,760 might change. And I hope this isn't 1435 01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,319 true, but I wonder if it would have been 1436 01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:52,480 possible for the petitioner to be 1437 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,280 alerted to that fact. And that's my 1438 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,760 concern. 1439 01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,319 Other 1440 01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:05,030 alman questions, comments. 1441 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,680 Uh, clerk, 1442 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,920 treasure, 1443 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,520 I have two things. Um, briefly, 1444 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,240 um, do I remember correctly that it was 1445 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,160 agreed that something with an 1446 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,319 extraordinary vote wouldn't be on the 1447 01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:30,230 consent agenda? 1448 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,400 Uh I don't recall that there's something 1449 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,960 with an extraordinary vote. There is uh 1450 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,480 we do have certain um policy provisions 1451 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,480 with how plan commission votes. If it's 1452 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,880 not uh unanimous on something, then that 1453 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,880 might not go right to consent agenda. 1454 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,960 But if it's a council vote, um, 1455 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,119 that does not have a a specific policy 1456 01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:53,280 around regular unless the council votes 1457 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,720 to direct it to a different section of 1458 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:55,760 the agenda. 1459 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:56,799 >> Okay. Thank you. 1460 01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:58,400 >> And I'm recalling from memory, but we 1461 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,720 can check to make sure. 1462 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:01,119 >> Thank you. 1463 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,280 >> Not a not a bad idea when it's something 1464 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,280 that's significant. 1465 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,880 >> Is that because you have a budget 1466 01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:11,680 amendment on that? That would be that would be a policy decision of the 1467 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,839 council if you wanted to move forward 1468 01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:15,599 with something like that statutory. 1469 01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:16,960 There's there's nothing. 1470 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:18,319 >> Okay. Thank you. 1471 01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:20,720 >> Um the other thing was uh two weeks ago 1472 01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:24,240 we discussed uh the PGO system for the 1473 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,880 TIFF and I thought that was interesting 1474 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,760 but uh it was new to me two weeks ago. I 1475 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,280 didn't know about that system before and 1476 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,480 I realized that that anou is is not an 1477 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:42,240 agreement and that any agreement would come later. Um, but I was curious 1478 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,680 about the tiff note and whether that uh 1479 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,599 represented the amount that was in it or 1480 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:49,680 whether the reimbursement would also 1481 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,160 include interest. and I was given an 1482 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,359 example of one that had been used and 1483 01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:58,240 the reimbursement is the tiff note plus 1484 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:02,880 the acred interest. Thanks. 1485 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,200 >> Thank you. Um 1486 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,280 administer 1487 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,440 city attorney. 1488 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:13,599 So the consent agenda absent item B 1489 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,520 before us. Any other items on the 1490 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,000 consent agenda council would like to 1491 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,760 have removed 1492 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,359 to the regular agenda? 1493 01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:25,039 Okay, then let me read through these. 1494 01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,839 Ordinance 02026-39 1495 01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:29,520 approving an amendment to the fiscal 1496 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,520 year 2026 budget. Item B, resolution, 1497 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,760 sorry. Item C, resolution R2026-50, 1498 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,520 approving a professional services 1499 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,000 agreement with Baxter and Woodman for 1500 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,160 phase 2 final engineering of the 1501 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,640 Illinois Route 59 path and sidewalk 1502 01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:52,880 project. Item D, resolution R2026-51, 1503 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,559 approving an agreement with Illinois 1504 01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:57,280 Department of Transportation for phase 2 1505 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,359 final engineering of the Illinois Route 1506 01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:02,720 59 path and sidewalk project. 1507 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,480 Item E, resolution R2026-53, 1508 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,480 approving a contract with Geneva 1509 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,440 Construction Company for the 2026 road 1510 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:18,549 program in the amount of 1,862,658.15. 1511 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:22,950 Item F, resolution R2026-54, 1512 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,640 approving a professional services 1513 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,480 agreement with engineering resources 1514 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,039 associates for construction engineering 1515 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:32,079 services related to the 2026 road 1516 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:37,359 program. Item G, Resolution R206-55, 1517 01:05:37,359 --> 01:05:39,920 appropriating motor fuel tax funds for 1518 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,599 the 2026 road program. Item H, 1519 01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:45,359 appointment of Laura Schmidz to the 1520 01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:47,599 Tourism and Arts Commission for a term 1521 01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:51,280 expiring on April 30, 2029. 1522 01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,799 Item I, appointment of Brinsley Lewis to 1523 01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,000 the Board of Fire and Police 1524 01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,240 Commissioners for a term expiring on 1525 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,119 April 30, 2029. 1526 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,599 Item J, expenditures for Fifth Third 1527 01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:07,599 Bank PCARD purchases made in June 2026 1528 01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,720 in the amount of $10,228.84. 1529 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,480 84. 1530 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,880 Item K, expenditures for invoices paid 1531 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,720 up to August 5th, 2026 in the amount of 1532 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,950 $34,481.17. 1533 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,359 Item L, expenditures for invoices due or 1534 01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:28,480 before August 18, 2026 in the amount of 1535 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:33,910 28258,68723. 1536 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,240 And item M, minutes of the regular city 1537 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,480 council meeting held on August 3rd, 1538 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,319 2026. This is our motion. Alder Wider. 1539 01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:44,079 >> Yes. Thank you. I move to approve the 1540 01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,880 items on the consent agenda as presented 1541 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:51,910 by Mayor Andrew Johnson. 1542 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:52,559 » Second. 1543 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,000 >> Moved by Alderman Widner, second by 1544 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,480 Alderman Wilkkey. Any discussion, 1545 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:58,400 questions? 1546 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,039 Clerk, could you call the role, please? 1547 01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:02,480 >> Alderman Ashau. 1548 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:03,039 >> I. 1549 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,400 >> Alderman August. 1550 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:04,960 >> I. 1551 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,160 >> Alderman Davalos. 1552 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:06,559 >> I. 1553 01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:07,680 >> Alderman Kenberg. 1554 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:08,079 >> Hi. 1555 01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:09,280 >> Alderman Lockett. I, 1556 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,319 >> Alderman Widner, 1557 01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:10,640 >> I, 1558 01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:11,760 >> Alderman Wilki, 1559 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:12,880 >> I. 1560 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,319 >> The motion carries. Next up, 1561 01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:16,000 >> I apologize for interrupting, but 1562 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,480 doesn't the mayor need to vote on item 1563 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,079 A? 1564 01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:23,910 >> Good question. 1565 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,280 Somebody tell me if I need to vote on 1566 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:26,960 that. 1567 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,240 They said new 1568 01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,069 budget amendment. 1569 01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:35,760 I'll be happy to cast a vote in favor of 1570 01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:38,880 it. So, 1571 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,920 I mayor votes eye. We'll find out if 1572 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,760 that's the case. 1573 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,640 And if not, we're covered. 1574 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,640 So, the regular agenda has one item on 1575 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,319 it. Resolution R2026-56 1576 01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:54,640 would be approving a first amendment to 1577 01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:55,760 the license agreement with the 1578 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,280 historical society for an art 1579 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:58,720 installation. So, I'm going to turn 1580 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,359 things over to Director Emery for brief 1581 01:08:01,359 --> 01:08:03,359 discussion. 1582 01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:05,039 Earlier this year, the city council 1583 01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:07,119 approved an art installation through a 1584 01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,319 license um agreement. Uh that 1585 01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:13,440 installation is currently in place and 1586 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,960 the museum would like to keep the art 1587 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,880 installation in place through September 1588 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,040 30th. Sarah Failen, the director of the 1589 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,719 museum, is here this evening and she can 1590 01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:24,880 answer questions about the exhibit and 1591 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,789 um the duration that she's requesting. 1592 01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:32,480 Director Failen, always nice to see you. 1593 01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:40,630 Thanks for coming out tonight. 1594 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,799 Yes, thank you. Uh, our request really 1595 01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:44,799 centers around the opening of the 1596 01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:46,799 Merkantile and we would love to keep uh 1597 01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:48,640 the birds on display through the 1598 01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,199 Merkantile opening and through September 1599 01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:53,120 because we do anticipate and hope for 1600 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,199 all of us that we get a lot more uh 1601 01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:57,040 viewers of them. And we're also planning 1602 01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,040 to do a special art exhibit for those 1603 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:00,799 specific artists during that time as 1604 01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:02,880 well. 1605 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,799 >> Any questions for Director Failen or 1606 01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:07,199 staff? 1607 01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:08,480 >> All right. Would somebody care to make a 1608 01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:10,159 motion? 1609 01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:12,719 >> Alderman Lockett. I'd like to make a 1610 01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:16,400 motion to pass resolution R2026-56 1611 01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,000 approving a first amendment to the 1612 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,759 license agreement with the Warrenville 1613 01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:22,239 Historical Society for an artist 1614 01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:25,120 installation at 3S5302nd 1615 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:25,839 Street. 1616 01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:28,799 >> I I mean second 1617 01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:30,400 >> move by Alderman Lockett and and we'll 1618 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,000 give it to Alderman Wilkkey for a second 1619 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,400 there. Any further discussion? 1620 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,400 Um all those in favor say I. I. Any 1621 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,799 opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very 1622 01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:44,319 much. Thanks again for being here. And 1623 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,239 now I will turn things over to Alderman 1624 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,640 Augustovich who will take us through the 1625 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,880 presentations and discussion items. 1626 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,199 >> Okay. Thank you, Mayor Johnson. 1627 01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:57,120 >> Okay. The first item under presentations 1628 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,920 and discussion items is a presentation 1629 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:02,320 and consideration of citywide space 1630 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,880 needs assessment. Uh public works 1631 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,400 director Coochler, would you like to 1632 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,560 make a presentation about this item? 1633 01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,719 >> Sure. Thank you and good evening. Uh you 1634 01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:12,480 may recall city council approved a 1635 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,800 contract blueber last November to 1636 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,199 evaluate the three main city buildings, 1637 01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:18,960 city hall, police department and public 1638 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,960 works and that was to be done in the 1639 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,640 context of the existing and anticipated 1640 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,280 future staffing operations and uses. 1641 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:26,719 Clooper worked with city staff and 1642 01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:28,800 elected officials during this process. 1643 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:30,400 There are some large costs to implement 1644 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:31,440 the various improvements that are 1645 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:33,199 included in the assessment which the 1646 01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:35,360 city does not currently have uh funding 1647 01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,679 to pay for. staff does intend to work 1648 01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:39,199 with the long range financial planning 1649 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:41,840 group moving forward to evaluate and 1650 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,040 assess the uh development and develop 1651 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,320 recommendations for improvements, 1652 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,159 priorities, and funding for future city 1653 01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,560 council consideration. Um after Clubber 1654 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:51,920 finishes with her presentation tonight, 1655 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:53,520 both staff and clubber will entertain 1656 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,360 any questions the council might have. Um 1657 01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,199 and Samantha Frantic and Charlie John 1658 01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:58,640 Soser here from Clueber to present the 1659 01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:03,030 results of the assessment. 1660 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,040 » Thank you. My name is Samantha Frantic 1661 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,320 with Clubber Architects and Engineer. 1662 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,840 I'm the project architect for this job. 1663 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,320 >> I'm Charlie Johnson with Clubber project 1664 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,579 manager and we've all met before came 1665 01:11:14,579 --> 01:11:17,120 [clears throat] out uh initially. Um the 1666 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,880 agenda is pretty quick although there 1667 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,239 seems to be a lot of slides when you're 1668 01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:22,080 in here. It will go very fast once we 1669 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,640 get going. Um but there are I just 1670 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,000 wanted to remind the council that there 1671 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,560 are two parts to this project. There was 1672 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,480 the physical assessment which is a 1673 01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:32,480 review of bricks and mortar and paint 1674 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,760 and uh uh the physical uh attributes of 1675 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,440 your facilities including mechanical 1676 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:39,440 systems and then there's the space needs 1677 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:41,360 analysis which is the more fun part 1678 01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:43,760 where we envision what you have and and 1679 01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,640 ways to improve it. Um the part that I'm 1680 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,949 going to touch on really quickly is the 1681 01:11:49,949 --> 01:11:50,880 [clears throat] bricks and mortar 1682 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,000 assessment parts of it. This document uh 1683 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:55,920 is a summary of all three of the 1684 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,320 buildings that we were asked to review. 1685 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,440 Uh we looked at them in con in context 1686 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,840 of three priorities um with the um time 1687 01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,280 window of a 10-year u time frame. Uh the 1688 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,880 first priority would be items that we 1689 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,199 would consider eminent or need to be 1690 01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:16,400 addressed within the first year. Um and 1691 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,880 the second priority would be those items 1692 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,560 between the first and the fifth. And 1693 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,159 then third priority would be items 1694 01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:24,719 between sixth and the 10th. Um the 1695 01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:27,840 values the cost values are taken into 1696 01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,880 account at cost escalation annually. Um 1697 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,520 and the values represented there are the 1698 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,960 last year of that uh priority. So uh the 1699 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,640 values that could be done in the third 1700 01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,719 year would cost slightly less because 1701 01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,560 they these values include all the way up 1702 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,880 to the fifth year. Um the last piece I 1703 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:46,320 want to mention is the [clears throat] 1704 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,880 last two columns that we added on your 1705 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:53,199 behalf to align it to um your current um 1706 01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,480 capital maintenance and and uh project 1707 01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:58,800 report. Um I don't even have it written 1708 01:12:58,800 --> 01:12:59,440 right here. 1709 01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:01,280 >> The Thank you. the capital maintenance 1710 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,120 and replacement plan that you already 1711 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,400 have. We looked at items in that plan 1712 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:09,760 and items that we had also in our 1713 01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,840 assessment that they were duplicated and 1714 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,320 that represents about 63% of these total 1715 01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,400 costs you had already had accounted for 1716 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,880 in your uh budgeting process and the uh 1717 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,640 maintenance planning that you have done. 1718 01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,440 Um the big difference between our um 1719 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,280 assessment and what you had already done 1720 01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,520 is your assessment looked very further 1721 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,080 ahead on large capital projects 1722 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,719 including roofs um and mechanical 1723 01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:35,120 systems and in addition to that we 1724 01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,199 probably looked at really small things 1725 01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:39,199 you know very very small things. So that 1726 01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:40,320 was probably the biggest difference 1727 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:45,830 between the two things. 1728 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,679 So this continues in the existing 1729 01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:49,360 conditions, but this is going to be a 1730 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,199 summary of the survey information that 1731 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:53,120 we gathered throughout the existing 1732 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,679 conditions information and the space 1733 01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:59,040 needs assessment portion of the project. 1734 01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,440 So we reached out to all the staff that 1735 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,280 work in these three buildings and asked 1736 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,520 them what kind of improvements that they 1737 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,360 would like to see in their workspace or 1738 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,280 what they feel that their day-to-day is 1739 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,239 lacking um or just the building in 1740 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:15,199 general. um as well as we surveyed all 1741 01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:16,560 of you and thank you to those that 1742 01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,440 participated as to what you saw as 1743 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,520 priorities for each of these buildings 1744 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,640 and um what your priorities were for the 1745 01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,480 city in general regarding your 1746 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,560 buildings. And so this is a general 1747 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,320 summary of uh the police department. 1748 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:33,520 There are unfortunately many 1749 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,360 deficiencies in your police department 1750 01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,520 right now and there were many to list. 1751 01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,159 But we also wanted to note that as the 1752 01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,080 elected officials on all of these 1753 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,679 slides, you'll see that all of you 1754 01:14:43,679 --> 01:14:46,400 pretty much unanimously voted that being 1755 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,719 fiscally responsible and having space 1756 01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:52,159 for your staff to complete their 1757 01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:54,640 operations and being sustainable and 1758 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,600 energy efficient were some high goals of 1759 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,360 all of yours. Um, the police department 1760 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,440 has a lot of challenges that I'm sure 1761 01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:06,640 many of you are aware of, but especially 1762 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,800 just the site in general, the shape of 1763 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,520 it, the way they're dug into the ground, 1764 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,520 and the parking arrangements make their 1765 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,320 jobs very challenging. Um, how they have 1766 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,159 to bring individuals into the building 1767 01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:20,320 is a day-to-day challenge anytime they 1768 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,520 do have to um, arrest and book somebody. 1769 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,120 Um, I'm just going to keep this very 1770 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,480 high level on each one. On the city 1771 01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,080 hall, 1772 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,400 many people requested more what we call 1773 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,280 employee support spaces. So, a better 1774 01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,520 break area, someplace that people can 1775 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,280 sit that's not their own desk. Um, 1776 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,280 general aesthetic improvements were 1777 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:49,120 listed as desires as well as um people 1778 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,159 want to work with their co-workers. 1779 01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,080 there was a goal to have all the 1780 01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,640 departments on one level. So you'll see 1781 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,040 as we get into the concepts how that 1782 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,320 influenced um what we looked at as far 1783 01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,480 as space planning. 1784 01:16:04,480 --> 01:16:06,960 And then the public works. 1785 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,520 has a lot of space right 1786 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,480 now and they have their own challenges. 1787 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,159 But some of those challenges are they 1788 01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:17,360 have spaces that they no longer use for 1789 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:19,040 the purpose they were built for and that 1790 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,800 creates a new and different challenge 1791 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,719 for them where there's equipment that 1792 01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:23,840 they don't need, but it's almost 1793 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,800 impossible to move. And so we looked at 1794 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,719 what might happen if we get rid of some 1795 01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:30,080 of that equipment and what they can do 1796 01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,960 with that space. 1797 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,960 All right. So, this is unfortunately the 1798 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,360 boring part where we talk about what we 1799 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,360 talked about in our meetings and what 1800 01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,600 kind of space was desired for each 1801 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,840 building um and how many square feet 1802 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,520 that came out to compared to what they 1803 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,520 currently have. So, you can see the 1804 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,640 disparity of about 6,000 square feet 1805 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:55,600 here on the city hall. a disparity of 1806 01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:00,790 about 1807 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,950 these backwards? 1808 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,880 I think they're just still flopped. Um, 1809 01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,120 but the disparity of about 9,000 square 1810 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,560 feet on the PD. Oh, that's why because 1811 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,560 city hall has more gross square footage 1812 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,320 than what they need programmed because 1813 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,480 of how much extra storage space is in 1814 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:20,560 this building that's not being used for 1815 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,520 staff use right now. Sorry, refreshing 1816 01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,480 myself. Um, and then police has the 1817 01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:27,679 opposite problem. They don't have enough 1818 01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:29,199 storage for anything. They don't have 1819 01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:32,719 enough space for their personnel. Um, 1820 01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:36,080 new propo proposed program. Uh, there's 1821 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:39,360 an additional about 9,000 ft of need. 1822 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,280 And then 1823 01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,480 on the public works building, there's a 1824 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:47,199 disparity of about 11,000 square feet. 1825 01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:50,320 But this is if we were to say that Phil 1826 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,159 would start parking. absolutely every 1827 01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:55,440 piece of his fleet indoors and he 1828 01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:57,199 doesn't feel that that's a need that 1829 01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:00,320 needs to be met at this moment. They're 1830 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,880 happy to continue parking things as they 1831 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,440 currently are. Uh so getting into the 1832 01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:06,800 space plans, we're going to start with 1833 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,600 the city hall. And here you'll see kind 1834 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,600 of what I was mentioning was one of the 1835 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,159 goals of the group as we were going 1836 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,080 through the process was to get all of 1837 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,679 the people who work here every day on 1838 01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:20,080 one floor. So pink will be the 1839 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,239 administration department, green is 1840 01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:24,000 community development, and purple is 1841 01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,719 finance. This option looks at moving 1842 01:18:26,719 --> 01:18:29,360 everybody downstairs to the lower level, 1843 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,480 maintaining the lobby where it is, but 1844 01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:34,320 in a different way. Everyone would still 1845 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,400 enter through that door, but we c would 1846 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,719 reconfigure it so that there's a small 1847 01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:41,040 conference room off the lobby and a 1848 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,840 restroom off the lobby where staff could 1849 01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,840 meet with individuals who come in 1850 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,760 without having to bring that individual 1851 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,480 all the way into the building. Um, and 1852 01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:53,679 then stairs and restrooms would all 1853 01:18:53,679 --> 01:18:55,520 remain in place. building services would 1854 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,679 remain in place in the downstairs 1855 01:18:57,679 --> 01:19:00,640 storage room could still be used for 1856 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,600 other purposes that as the city needed 1857 01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,560 fit um as we would move forward in the 1858 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,400 process. Council chambers in this 1859 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,280 concept would remain up here but receive 1860 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:12,880 a 1861 01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,159 full reconfiguring as well as 1862 01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:18,800 reconfiguring of the storage and IT and 1863 01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,840 AV components. Uh council chambers would 1864 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,239 be enlarged. lobby will remain in place 1865 01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:28,400 up here as well. Um and then upstairs 1866 01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,320 where currently administration is will 1867 01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,239 be reconfigured for some shared office 1868 01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:37,679 and meeting space. Um some meeting space 1869 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:40,480 for staff from downstairs and some space 1870 01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:45,360 for the alderman. And then we would also 1871 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:49,679 construct a new break area up here, 1872 01:19:49,679 --> 01:19:51,679 mainly because there's nice windows up 1873 01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:53,840 here versus downstairs in the other 1874 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,280 storage area would not have any windows. 1875 01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,960 And so this is the second option where 1876 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,120 everybody who works in city hall moves 1877 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,320 upstairs. And once again, finance is in 1878 01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,159 purple, community development is in 1879 01:20:08,159 --> 01:20:10,800 green, and administration is in the 1880 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,600 pink. And then blue is that employee 1881 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,600 support space where there could be lunch 1882 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,159 break upstairs with them or depending on 1883 01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:20,400 how people chose to priorities 1884 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,640 prioritize the space it could go 1885 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,560 downstairs. Um and then council chambers 1886 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,520 would move into the open office space 1887 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,760 where community development is currently 1888 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,440 and take over the other part portion of 1889 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:37,920 the building downstairs. And the thought 1890 01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,000 behind this was that the main lobby 1891 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:41,760 upstairs would continue to be the main 1892 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,080 lobby for everything. And so when the 1893 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,080 public would come to meetings, the 1894 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,840 accessible route would be um through the 1895 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,920 elevator to go downstairs or you would 1896 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,040 take the stairs. 1897 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,360 And then we also looked at a low impact 1898 01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,760 option where most apartments stayed in 1899 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,520 place. Uh, this option just has the 1900 01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:05,920 finance and community development shaded 1901 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,920 because we wouldn't necessarily move any 1902 01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,440 of their spaces around. It would receive 1903 01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:11,920 a facelift, new paint, new carpet, um, 1904 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,760 and a reconfigured lobby downstairs 1905 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,280 still because that was seen as a 1906 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:18,400 priority from the staff. And then 1907 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,679 administration would be reconfigured to 1908 01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:25,679 fit their growing staff and their needs 1909 01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:30,239 for um appropriate spaces for their 1910 01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:32,800 individual staff members. And then the 1911 01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,120 break space would remain upstairs but be 1912 01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,800 enlarged into that storage space again 1913 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,760 with the windows and council chambers in 1914 01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,440 all three receives a full upgrade so 1915 01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:46,159 that all of the hardships that you guys 1916 01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:49,600 have considering IT items and where you 1917 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:55,760 can view content um can be addressed. 1918 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,760 So moving on to the police. This is 1919 01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,760 going to be the 1920 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,840 renovation option that we explored where 1921 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,239 we add an addition to the upper level so 1922 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:07,760 that we can essentially make a large 1923 01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,159 carport area underneath so that the 1924 01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:11,840 police can have protected parking 1925 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,719 downstairs. Um, 1926 01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:16,960 this proposes that all of the office 1927 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,120 space is upstairs and most of the secure 1928 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,040 space is downstairs. There would still 1929 01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,639 be control points at the blue lines. Um, 1930 01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:30,070 and another one in the hallway, but 1931 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,639 we would have roll call upstairs and all 1932 01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:34,400 of the interview rooms upstairs as well 1933 01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,400 as the investigators 1934 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,520 and an additional mat room and fitness 1935 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,600 space which was desired by the 1936 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,080 department and break would get moved 1937 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,239 upstairs as well. So that most of 1938 01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:48,800 downstairs is evidence, locker room and 1939 01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,480 booking and holding. So all your truly 1940 01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:53,760 hardened spaces and the locker room is 1941 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,280 really 1942 01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,199 um 1943 01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:00,719 still kind of a ancillary space there 1944 01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:02,880 and the armory is also downstairs. And 1945 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,639 once again this kind of illustrates in 1946 01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:06,880 the dashed line where that addition 1947 01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,320 would be upstairs so that you could have 1948 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,990 covered parking below. 1949 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,360 This is the option we looked at for 1950 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,360 police where it's low impact. These 1951 01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,760 outlines just kind of illustrate the 1952 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,600 different levels of improvement we would 1953 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,520 make to these areas. This option doesn't 1954 01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,600 really look at reconfiguring much of the 1955 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,840 police department in any major way. We'd 1956 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,080 maybe take down some walls in order to 1957 01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:32,080 make um more logical procession through 1958 01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,840 some of the open office areas. I know 1959 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,840 right now there are some strange 1960 01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,000 deadends and wandering portions where 1961 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:42,080 their offices are. Um, and 1962 01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:43,840 like I said, this is intended to be a 1963 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,960 low impact option in order to try and 1964 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,280 improve things for them without costing 1965 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,920 as much as an addition option. And then 1966 01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:54,000 downstairs would be still reconfigured 1967 01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,600 in a similar way, but this option looks 1968 01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:01,120 at getting rid of the evidence functions 1969 01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:02,880 within this building. They would be 1970 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,920 outsourced either to city hall or to 1971 01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,840 another area. And that's why when we're 1972 01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,600 looking at the downstairs of city hall, 1973 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,800 if that could be reused for evidence, um 1974 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,880 that would not be by preferred by most, 1975 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,880 but we felt we needed to look into it 1976 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,760 based on the comments from the council 1977 01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,440 in the survey about moving elements out 1978 01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:27,760 of the police department if we can. 1979 01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,080 Moving into public works, public works 1980 01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,320 has very minor renovation. A lot of the 1981 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,159 dash lines are kind of what I was 1982 01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:35,520 talking about at the beginning where 1983 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:36,880 they currently have equipment in the 1984 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,400 fleet maintenance area. They no longer 1985 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:39,840 do their own fleet maintenance in that 1986 01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:42,719 area. So, they can park some equipment 1987 01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:44,800 there, but they're limited as to what 1988 01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:46,639 they can park because of the 1989 01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:50,080 obstructions um in that area. As well as 1990 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,120 EMA currently has space and the kennel 1991 01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,600 on the other side of the building. and 1992 01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,760 we would need to continue to have EMA 1993 01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,679 space somewhere, but the kennel we 1994 01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:02,320 understand is not truly being used very 1995 01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:07,600 often. So, um hopefully in the future 1996 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,440 that could be programmed better to be 1997 01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:12,719 used for public works. And then this is 1998 01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:15,679 the proposed renovation to the office 1999 01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:19,280 area specifically because um the staff 2000 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,120 there are many shared offices at public 2001 01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,600 works right now and with some minor 2002 01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,000 renovations and reconfiguring of where 2003 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,239 the walls are are currently and actually 2004 01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:29,679 keeping most of the walls where they are 2005 01:25:29,679 --> 01:25:33,280 currently maybe taking down one and 2006 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,679 moving some doors. They could easily 2007 01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:38,320 have all the office space that they need 2008 01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,120 moving forward. 2009 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,040 Now, this is where we talk about the 2010 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,000 money, the cost, and so the city hall 2011 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,639 renovation, the low impact option where 2012 01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:50,239 we just kind of give a facelift 2013 01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,040 downstairs and uh redo the council 2014 01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,760 chambers and reconfigure administration. 2015 01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,120 We have three half to$4.5 million. And 2016 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,040 then the other two options that we 2017 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,440 proposed basically touch every square 2018 01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:06,400 inch of the building and therefore are 2019 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,360 simil similarly costing about four and a 2020 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:12,239 half to 5.5 million. 2021 01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:14,239 And then we also listed here some of the 2022 01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:16,960 items that could potentially be covered 2023 01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,159 by the CMRP. 2024 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:21,920 And then on the police station, the low 2025 01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,760 impact option is around $3 million. The 2026 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,199 addition we had it between eight and $10 2027 01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:32,080 million. And then the new police 2028 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:33,679 station, which we didn't draw for you 2029 01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:37,360 guys, it would be sight specific and 2030 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,040 still based on many of the similar 2031 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,480 spaces that we programmed through the 2032 01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:41,920 space planning, which if you look at 2033 01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,440 your full report, you'll see every room 2034 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:47,360 that they requested and why um a new 2035 01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,520 building would be between 12 and $16 2036 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,600 million. 2037 01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:52,880 Moving on to the public works 2038 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,360 renovation, that minimal renovation that 2039 01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,840 they're generally looking for would be 2040 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,679 around really 300 to $400,000. 2041 01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:07,600 And then um the larger renovations are 2042 01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,239 if you did all of the items from the 2043 01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:12,159 assessment for the 10 years. And so 2044 01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:13,840 that's where it goes up to the three to 2045 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,760 three and a half million dollars. And 2046 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,560 then the last one is if we were to move 2047 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,360 all of the elements of the PD out. if 2048 01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,440 you were to build a new PD and what it 2049 01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:26,719 would cost to change the public works as 2050 01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:29,760 it is. And so it's a little under $4 2051 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:32,080 million. 2052 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:35,840 I think this is the last slide. Yes. 2053 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:40,390 Questions, comments. 2054 01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,400 » Uh so do we have any questions from the 2055 01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:42,960 council? 2056 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,199 >> I believe Lockett does. 2057 01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:46,000 >> I see. 2058 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:46,560 >> Locket. 2059 01:27:46,560 --> 01:27:49,679 >> Thank you for recognizing me. [laughter] 2060 01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:52,880 Quick question for you on the public 2061 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,199 works renovation. If the police 2062 01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:58,719 department items move, 2063 01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:00,800 what does that do to the options at the 2064 01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,760 police station with the new building not 2065 01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,000 being concerned? So, if we just did the 2066 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,679 low impact or the renovation addition, 2067 01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:12,400 could both of those I I'm assuming not 2068 01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,360 both can handle the PD moving over? 2069 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,360 Correct. Does that make sense? Maybe 2070 01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:18,719 that's why it doesn't recognize me. 2071 01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:21,840 Sometimes I'm confusing. 2072 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:23,360 >> I'm trying to understand which part of 2073 01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:24,719 the PDU you are not. 2074 01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:30,320 >> So I think what you're asking is if we had an addition to the police 2075 01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,639 department, could it accommodate the EMA 2076 01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:34,239 and animal functions that are currently 2077 01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:35,440 at public works? 2078 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:37,440 >> Yeah. How do we put police department 2079 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:38,159 all together? 2080 01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:41,920 >> So the only way to do that uh is at this 2081 01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,560 point essentially a new police building 2082 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:45,600 altogether. 2083 01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,440 So the only option be new building. 2084 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:49,520 >> Correct. The addition the addition 2085 01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,199 addresses the lack of space uh currently 2086 01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,679 for evidence and some of the other 2087 01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:57,040 operations that are in the police 2088 01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:59,040 department. But it does not there's not 2089 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,960 enough space even with an addition on 2090 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,120 the current footprint of the building to 2091 01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,080 add enough space to take over EMA 2092 01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:07,760 functions because there's it's not just 2093 01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,199 the people that make up emergency 2094 01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:10,639 management, it's also all the vehicles 2095 01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:12,159 and all of the equipment that goes with 2096 01:29:12,159 --> 01:29:16,560 that. Um, so that's why it says PD items 2097 01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,920 move only if there is a um or I'm sorry, 2098 01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:21,679 the public works renovation without the 2099 01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:24,000 EMA is only if there's a a new police 2100 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,120 department building. 2101 01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:25,440 >> Okay. 2102 01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:27,280 >> Which we are not consider. That's not 2103 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:28,639 one of the concepts that's being 2104 01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:30,239 proposed as an option. 2105 01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:31,199 >> Gotcha. 2106 01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:34,550 >> Thank you. 2107 01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,550 » Any other questions? 2108 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,719 Okay. Uh, seeing as no further comments 2109 01:29:40,719 --> 01:29:42,159 or questions, uh, would someone like to 2110 01:29:42,159 --> 01:29:49,750 make a motion regarding this item? 2111 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,280 » I don't I don't think there's a motion 2112 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,440 to be made, is there? 2113 01:29:53,440 --> 01:29:53,840 >> Yeah. 2114 01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:54,239 >> Yes. 2115 01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:55,679 >> Is there Okay. Direct staff to work 2116 01:29:55,679 --> 01:29:58,000 >> the market. 2117 01:29:58,000 --> 01:29:59,440 >> I'd like to make a motion to direct 2118 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:00,800 staff to work with the long range 2119 01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,239 financial planning work group to 2120 01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:04,719 evaluate the citywide space needs 2121 01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:07,440 assessment and develop recommendations 2122 01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:09,520 for improvements. priorities and funding 2123 01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:12,000 for future city council consideration. 2124 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:14,719 >> Second. 2125 01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:16,880 >> Motion is made and seconded. Uh all in 2126 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,320 favor say I. 2127 01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:19,280 >> I. 2128 01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,040 >> All opposed. 2129 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,040 >> Uh the motion passes. This item will be 2130 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,360 placed on an upcoming agenda for further 2131 01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:29,440 action. Uh item B. Uh we're moving to 2132 01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:33,120 Thank you very much. Uh so 2133 01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,360 it item B, consideration of water and 2134 01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,000 sewer rate study agreement. Uh public 2135 01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,000 works director Coochler, would you like 2136 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,880 to make a presentation about this item? 2137 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,199 >> Sure. Uh for background, the city has 2138 01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:46,639 not performed a water and sewer rate 2139 01:30:46,639 --> 01:30:49,280 study in over 20 years. Staff originally 2140 01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,679 presented an agreement with Stantech on 2141 01:30:51,679 --> 01:30:53,360 April 20th and received direction from 2142 01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:56,320 council to work with the consulting team 2143 01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:57,760 and the enterprise maintenance and 2144 01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,000 replacement plan workg group to reduce 2145 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,920 the scope of work and hopefully reduce 2146 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,000 the costs. The updated agreement that's 2147 01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,159 included in the agenda backup reflects a 2148 01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:08,239 reduced scope and that lowered the cost 2149 01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:10,719 from $110,637 2150 01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:14,000 to $84,923. 2151 01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,679 Uh scope reductions are detailed in my 2152 01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:17,760 memo which is in the agenda backup. But 2153 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,080 basically they assumed uh additional 2154 01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,480 effic efficiency in using the city's 2155 01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:26,480 current financial model. uh the consist 2156 01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:28,000 consideration of fewer alternatives 2157 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,760 reducing the number of meetings and that 2158 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:31,440 the finance department would perform the 2159 01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:34,000 fund balance separation in house. The 2160 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,080 EMRP work group also considered options 2161 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,239 to try to stretch the project over two 2162 01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:40,080 years to delay it by a couple of years 2163 01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,000 and those would have resulted in costs 2164 01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,480 cost increases of 7 to 15,000 for those 2165 01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:48,159 options. So, the staff and the MRP work 2166 01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:50,000 group are recommending approval of the 2167 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,199 contract that's included with the agenda 2168 01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,679 backup materials for just under $85,000. 2169 01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:54,960 With that, I'd be happy to entertain 2170 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,400 questions. 2171 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,159 >> Okay, there are any questions from the 2172 01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:02,149 council. 2173 01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:03,600 » Oh, Mayor Johnson, 2174 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:04,880 >> I think it's not the right spot, but 2175 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,040 I'll ask the question anyway. Uh, the 2176 01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:09,120 question we get oftentimes is why don't 2177 01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,760 we tap into Lake Michigan water? Could a 2178 01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,159 very high level answer to that question 2179 01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:16,320 be included in this analysis? 2180 01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,080 >> Not without increasing the scope of the 2181 01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,440 project and the costs. 2182 01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:20,560 >> Okay. 2183 01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,800 >> So where would that question then be 2184 01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,320 answered? 2185 01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:26,239 Again at kind of a high level. I know we 2186 01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:28,080 all know it would be millions of 2187 01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,199 dollars, but that question hasn't been 2188 01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:34,080 answered for a long time. 2189 01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,199 >> Administrator. 2190 01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:38,480 >> Thank you. Um I at this point would 2191 01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:41,280 suggest because this study specifically 2192 01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,080 the council's direction was to look at 2193 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,679 reducing the scope and reducing the cost 2194 01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:48,800 of the project um that type of an 2195 01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,639 assessment on switching over from 2196 01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:53,040 wellwater to Lake Michigan water. It 2197 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,080 would very likely be its own study um 2198 01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,880 and would be undertaken independently of 2199 01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,520 this study. Uh and that is something 2200 01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,520 that the council could direct at some 2201 01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:08,239 point in time. We have some information that we've 2202 01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:10,239 gathered based on other communities that 2203 01:33:10,239 --> 01:33:11,920 have recently turned over and you are 2204 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,159 correct. It is a you're talking in the 2205 01:33:14,159 --> 01:33:16,000 tens of millions of dollars in just 2206 01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,040 infrastructure changes to uh tap into 2207 01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:20,800 the DUP page water commission which then 2208 01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,280 taps into Lake Michigan water. Um 2209 01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:26,080 besides that, the rate increases 2210 01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:29,360 um are significant between what we pay 2211 01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,440 currently for wellwater versus going to 2212 01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:33,199 Lake Michigan water. So that is a 2213 01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:34,800 separate study if the council would like 2214 01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,040 us to undertake that. Um I think getting 2215 01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,920 this study accomplished and identifying 2216 01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:41,840 um the updates that we need to make to 2217 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,679 our current structure is the first step 2218 01:33:43,679 --> 01:33:46,000 and then that could be aial future phase 2219 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,520 of the project if that is what's 2220 01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,830 desired. 2221 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:53,199 Alderman whiter. 2222 01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:54,880 >> Yeah. To that point, would there be a 2223 01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:57,600 way of developing a frequently asked 2224 01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,280 questioned um survey to put on the 2225 01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,239 website knowing what we know about the 2226 01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:07,280 costs and also maybe inputting some of 2227 01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,600 the information [clears throat] we could 2228 01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:11,760 pirate from some of the other 2229 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:16,080 communities that have uh studied uh this 2230 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:20,159 dilemma and popular topic. 2231 01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:23,679 me again. Uh we have been working 2232 01:34:23,679 --> 01:34:27,360 towards that. The apples for apples 2233 01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:28,880 comparison between what other 2234 01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,120 communities have um experienced with 2235 01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:34,080 their switch to Lake Michigan water is 2236 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,639 uh challenging because some of it is 2237 01:34:36,639 --> 01:34:39,040 miles of water man that would have to be 2238 01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,560 replaced and changed over and 2239 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:41,840 infrastructure that would have to be 2240 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:43,360 installed which is very specific and 2241 01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,199 unique to the community and to the 2242 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:47,120 location of connection points to the 2243 01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,400 DuPage Water Commission closest option. 2244 01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:53,840 Um the rates are also dependent on a 2245 01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:57,760 variety of factors like um without 2246 01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,080 getting into the really very detailed 2247 01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,480 specifics there is essentially a buyin 2248 01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:06,080 that has to occur for an a city to have 2249 01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:09,840 um an a portion of um Lake Michigan 2250 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:12,480 water. We have to buy in and pay kind of 2251 01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:14,400 back into some of the infrastructure 2252 01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,080 that has already existed and been 2253 01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:17,520 installed through the du page water 2254 01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,760 commission in the area. So, uh, we would 2255 01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:21,040 need to get an approval, an 2256 01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:22,719 appropriation. There's a fee associated 2257 01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:24,239 with that. There's additional structure. 2258 01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:27,199 So, um, it's not as simple to come up 2259 01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:28,960 with that comparison. We have been 2260 01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,840 trying for several months between public 2261 01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,920 works and finance to gather some basic 2262 01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:35,600 information from the DUP page water 2263 01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:36,880 commission and some of those other 2264 01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:38,719 communities to start to compile that 2265 01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:40,880 comparison on a very high level. Um, 2266 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:42,159 because we do get this question 2267 01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:44,639 regularly from the community. Um, it's 2268 01:35:44,639 --> 01:35:46,320 just it's not that simple. and then 2269 01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:48,080 trying to boil down very complicated 2270 01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:50,639 information into a consumable simple 2271 01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:52,800 format is also proving to be challenging 2272 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,719 but it is something we are working 2273 01:35:54,719 --> 01:35:56,880 towards. 2274 01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,600 >> Thank you. 2275 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,669 And are there any other questions? 2276 01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:06,080 Uh seeing as no further comments or 2277 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,440 questions, would someone like to make a 2278 01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:10,480 motion regarding this item? 2279 01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:13,910 Alderman Kenberg. 2280 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,520 I'd like to make a motion to direct 2281 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:17,679 staff to present a resolution approving 2282 01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:19,679 an agreement with Stantech Consulting 2283 01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:21,920 Services, Inc. for a water and sewer 2284 01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:23,199 rate study. 2285 01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:25,040 >> Second. 2286 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,120 >> Okay, a motion is made and seconded. Uh 2287 01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:29,360 so all in favor say I. 2288 01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:30,800 >> I. 2289 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,239 >> Any opposed? Okay, the motion passes. 2290 01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:35,920 This item will be placed on an upcoming 2291 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,840 agenda for further action. Uh item C uh 2292 01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,960 consideration of staff recommendation or 2293 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,119 recommended updates to the enterprise 2294 01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:48,480 maintenance and replacement plan EMRP. 2295 01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:51,040 Uh ut utility maintenance superintendent 2296 01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:52,639 Jardine. Would you like to make the 2297 01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:54,960 staff presentation? 2298 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:58,000 >> Good evening. Thank you. Uh the EM uh 2299 01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,760 enterprise maintenance replacement plan, 2300 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,320 the EMRP, um covers the city's water and 2301 01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,719 sanitary sewer systems and is required 2302 01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:07,040 to be updated annually. One of the 2303 01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,280 commitments of the EMRP is to review and 2304 01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,760 update the plan each year to reflect 2305 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:13,920 current needs, priorities, and protect 2306 01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,560 projected expenditures. As part of this 2307 01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:19,119 year's annual update, the new Duke's 2308 01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:21,440 Parkway water tower was added to the 2309 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,440 EMRP. 2310 01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:25,520 Um, included in the agenda backup 2311 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,639 materials and is a staff memorandum 2312 01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,639 detailing the recommended adjustments to 2313 01:37:30,639 --> 01:37:32,400 the EMRP. 2314 01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:33,920 If the recommended adjustments are 2315 01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,400 approved, the total average annual EMRP 2316 01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,960 expenditures will increase by just under 2317 01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:40,880 $310,000 2318 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,760 or approximately 5.9%. 2319 01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,199 Resulting in a new average annual 2320 01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:49,119 expenditure of roughly 5.6 million. I'd 2321 01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,600 be happy to entertain any questions. 2322 01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:53,520 >> Okay. Uh thank you. Are there any 2323 01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,560 questions? Alderman Lockett. 2324 01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:59,440 So the water system inventory operating 2325 01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:02,560 that's why that increased by 23% was 2326 01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:04,480 because the water tower going online. 2327 01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:06,320 >> Yeah, that was the big increase. 2328 01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:07,760 >> Okay. And I guess the next question 2329 01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,520 would be for Kevin with regards to like 2330 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,440 the model waterford model that we use. 2331 01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:16,719 Do we put these escalators in there? Do 2332 01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:18,800 you know every year? anytime we do get 2333 01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,840 updates uh that public works works on 2334 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,320 they ultimately do get pl pl pl pl pl pl pl pl pl pl pl pl pl plugged in our 2335 01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:26,159 plugged into our model so that we use 2336 01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:27,679 that when we look forward as to what's 2337 01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:29,119 happening in the coming years. 2338 01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:30,639 >> So when we're looking at that projected 2339 01:38:30,639 --> 01:38:32,400 out three years, four years, five years, 2340 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,800 we have like a 3% or I don't want to say 2341 01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,119 cost of living, but but but an increase, 2342 01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:38,480 right, that's already kind of built in 2343 01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:39,520 there per year. 2344 01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,480 >> We we use an escalator in there um every 2345 01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:45,360 year. It's the same escal later that we 2346 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,480 use for our our water and sewers search 2347 01:38:48,480 --> 01:38:51,840 charge loan program that we calculate 2348 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:54,080 annual annually at the beginning of a 2349 01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:55,040 calendar year. 2350 01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:59,430 >> Okay, great. Thank you. 2351 01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:03,040 Are there any other questions? 2352 01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:04,880 Okay. Uh seeing as no further comments 2353 01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:06,400 or questions, would someone like to make 2354 01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,119 a motion regarding this item? 2355 01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:10,639 Alman Witner. 2356 01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:12,480 >> Yes. Thank you. Do I move to direct 2357 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,560 staff to incorporate recommended 2358 01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,639 adjustments into the enterprise 2359 01:39:16,639 --> 01:39:18,480 maintenance and replacement plan 2360 01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:19,600 document? 2361 01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:21,440 >> Second. 2362 01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:23,679 >> Okay. Motion is made and seconded. Uh 2363 01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:26,320 all in favor say I. 2364 01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:27,360 >> I. 2365 01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,760 >> All opposed. 2366 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,760 >> Okay. The motion passes. This item will 2367 01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,080 be placed on an upcoming agenda for 2368 01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,719 further action. Uh thank you very much. 2369 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:40,159 Uh item D, consideration of staff 2370 01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:42,239 recommend recommended updates to the 2371 01:39:42,239 --> 01:39:44,560 capital maintenance and replacement plan 2372 01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:46,800 CMRP. Uh capital maintenance 2373 01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,320 superintendent Clark, would you like to 2374 01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:51,119 make the stat presentation? Sure. One of 2375 01:39:51,119 --> 01:39:53,760 the similar to the EMRP, one of the 2376 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,360 commitments in the capital maintenance 2377 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,280 replacement plan is that the plan is 2378 01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,760 updated annually. Just a refresher for 2379 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,040 everybody, the CMRP items are the 2380 01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,920 roadway and storm sewers, street lights, 2381 01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:07,679 curb and gutters and sidewalks, vehicles 2382 01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:10,400 and equipment, building content, tents, 2383 01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,480 exterior surfaces, and some 2384 01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:14,560 miscellaneous streetscapes. 2385 01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,840 The increases to the the assets in CMRP 2386 01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,400 this year, all items are just the 2387 01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,119 escalator at 3.6% 2388 01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:25,040 other than the street lights, which came 2389 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,280 in at 14.3%. 2390 01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:30,080 The explanation for that is we have an 2391 01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,560 increase of 80 street lights in the CMRP 2392 01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,040 this year. We did not add 80 street 2393 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:38,320 lights. We found and have 80 more street 2394 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:41,600 lights in our GIS. So as as we update 2395 01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:44,080 our inventory and become more accurate 2396 01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,400 with our reporting, we found that 2397 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:47,920 there's there was 80 street lightss 2398 01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:51,119 missing in the previous reports. So that 2399 01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:54,080 the average increase is 3.9% 2400 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:56,320 or $138,83 2401 01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:58,320 per year. With that, I'd be happy to 2402 01:40:58,320 --> 01:41:01,440 answer any questions. 2403 01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:03,040 >> Are there any questions from the 2404 01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:08,629 council? 2405 01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:10,880 » Alderman Lockett, 2406 01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,960 if we didn't have GIS, we wouldn't know 2407 01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:15,040 about them. 2408 01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:19,040 Wouldn't increased 14%. Anyway, uh I'd 2409 01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:20,719 like to make a motion to direct staff to 2410 01:41:20,719 --> 01:41:23,760 incorporate recommended adjustments into 2411 01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,440 the capital maintenance and replacement 2412 01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:26,880 plan document. 2413 01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:27,920 >> Second. 2414 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:29,679 >> Okay. Motion is made and seconded. All 2415 01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:31,679 in favor say I. 2416 01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:32,080 >> I. 2417 01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:35,840 All opposed. The motion passes. This 2418 01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,360 item will be placed on an upcoming 2419 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:41,119 agenda for further action. And item E, 2420 01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,360 uh request for all for alderman 2421 01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,199 volunteer representatives for the 2422 01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:47,040 complete streets workg groupoup. Uh, 2423 01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:49,040 Director Kler, would you like to make 2424 01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:50,800 this staff presentation? 2425 01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,960 >> Sure. Uh, the work group originally 2426 01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,639 included Alderman Widner and Alderman 2427 01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:58,000 Krishell. Uh, we last met in 2019 and, 2428 01:41:58,000 --> 01:41:59,840 you know, since 2019, we had the the 2429 01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,159 pandemic and everything. So, she kind of 2430 01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,880 got put on hold. um as one of the fiscal 2431 01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,080 year 27 work plan uh strategic plan 2432 01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:09,840 action items is for this work group to 2433 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,560 meet quarterly to explore potential 2434 01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,800 funding mechanisms for path and sidewalk 2435 01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,360 improvements in town and um prioritize 2436 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,600 those staff is seeking two willing 2437 01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:21,760 volunteers from city council to 2438 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,360 participate in the work group and we 2439 01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:25,840 would uh come forward on September 8th 2440 01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,080 to have those volunteers finalized or 2441 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:29,840 directed by city council or to 2442 01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:31,280 participate in the work group. So with 2443 01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:32,560 that, I'd be happy to entertain any 2444 01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:34,000 questions. 2445 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:38,149 >> Any questions from the council? 2446 01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:40,320 Okay. Uh, so this item was offered 2447 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,560 forformational purposes only. Thank you. 2448 01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,639 Uh, 2449 01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:47,440 >> oh, sorry, I did not see you there. 2450 01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:50,000 >> So we need to name two aldermen for 2451 01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:51,679 this. We need to recommend two aldermen. 2452 01:42:51,679 --> 01:42:54,480 Correct. 2453 01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:54,960 >> Ideally, 2454 01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:56,719 >> yeah, we're looking for if there's two 2455 01:42:56,719 --> 01:42:58,159 willing volunteers, it' be great to have 2456 01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:07,510 them. 2457 01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,400 I would be glad to continue my service 2458 01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:14,406 in this regard for another eight years 2459 01:43:14,406 --> 01:43:16,709 [laughter] 2460 01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:20,870 » or less. 2461 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,920 » I guess are there any other Listen, I've 2462 01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,760 never met a work group I don't like. So 2463 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:27,360 I'm but I'm leaving it open. I'm not 2464 01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:28,800 saying anything to anybody else. if 2465 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:30,239 they're interested. If not, then I would 2466 01:43:30,239 --> 01:43:32,719 be I would be honored to work alongside 2467 01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:36,159 Alderman Wer, but not for eight years. 2468 01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:39,280 >> Okay. So, for 12 years, but uh Alderman 2469 01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,600 Locket, you 2470 01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:43,760 okay? So I guess we have two volunteers 2471 01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:46,400 for this 2472 01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,040 and uh 2473 01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:50,719 do we have to 2474 01:43:50,719 --> 01:43:52,639 >> if there's any other interest since we 2475 01:43:52,639 --> 01:43:55,199 have now September 8th it'll be on the 2476 01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:57,199 September 8th agenda to actually appoint 2477 01:43:57,199 --> 01:43:59,280 two alderman to the uh work group I 2478 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,440 assume then just contact Mayor Johnson 2479 01:44:01,440 --> 01:44:03,520 if you also have interest but for now 2480 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:06,639 we've got two listed 2481 01:44:06,639 --> 01:44:09,760 >> make it a competition 2482 01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:13,440 >> okay so drinking. 2483 01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:15,520 >> So, this item was offered forformational 2484 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,440 purpose only and Mayor Johnson, I 2485 01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:18,960 relinquish the chair duties back to you 2486 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:20,400 for the remainder of the meeting. 2487 01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:22,159 >> Thank you very much. Appreciate that. 2488 01:44:22,159 --> 01:44:25,360 Nicely done. Um, so threeformational 2489 01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:26,960 reports, 2490 01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:29,760 the wire transfer, bicyclist pedestrian 2491 01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:31,440 advisory commission report, meeting 2492 01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:34,159 minutes and plan commission ZBA minutes. 2493 01:44:34,159 --> 01:44:36,400 Uh we have no need for a closed session, 2494 01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,119 but just as a point of reference, I ask 2495 01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:42,480 council members to get in touch with me 2496 01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:44,639 as to the subject matter of most of the 2497 01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:47,840 public comment this evening and how to 2498 01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:50,239 proceed because I'm not aware of this 2499 01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:53,360 having come before council in the past 2500 01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,360 of of a large number of the public 2501 01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:57,360 asking for something to be done and then 2502 01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,000 what do you do? Okay. So, I think we 2503 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,520 need to do something to address those 2504 01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,159 concerns that have been voiced and uh we 2505 01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:05,360 know we all know that there was a 2506 01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,199 contract approved that's still in place 2507 01:45:07,199 --> 01:45:09,679 for two more years, but there are those 2508 01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:12,480 conditions within the contract that were 2509 01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:14,400 we all know about. So, it needs to be 2510 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:16,000 addressed, I think, in a formal way, 2511 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:17,920 some way, shape, or form. So, let me 2512 01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,679 know your thoughts and I'll work with 2513 01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:22,719 administrator White on that as well, um 2514 01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:25,360 to try to figure out what to do with it. 2515 01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:29,440 Does that sound fair? Okay. 2516 01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:31,440 In that case, thank you very much for 2517 01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:33,119 everybody's attendance this evening and 2518 01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:34,400 all the staff and the folks who are 2519 01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:36,800 involved. Uh, no need for close session. 2520 01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,000 So, a motion to adjurnn. 2521 01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:39,840 >> Motion to adjurnn. 2522 01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,440 >> Alderman locket. Second by alderman 2523 01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:44,719 Davalos. All in favor say I. 2524 01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:46,480 >> Any opposed? 2525 01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:47,920 Then we are adjourned. Thank you very 2526 01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,920 much.