[0:00] All
[0:01] right, you're good to go.
[0:05] » Welcome everyone to the TW Valley Rural
[0:08] Planning Organization
[0:10] meeting.
[0:12] It's March 9th, 2026.
[0:15] The time is a bit after 1:30
[0:18] and I appreciate those who have been
[0:21] able to make it in person as well as
[0:23] those who have joined us online and like
[0:27] to start with uh going around the room
[0:31] with introductions and then we'll uh go
[0:35] online uh for
[0:38] give everyone online a chance to
[0:41] introduce themselves as well. So I'm
[0:44] Wayne Benion uh with the Wasach Front
[0:47] Regional Council.
[0:49] » I'm Andy Welch from the Tula County
[0:51] Manager.
[0:52] » Britney Lopez, assistant county manager.
[0:55] » Jim Clark with BIA Consulting.
[0:58] » Zer with Jeff H2 Planning.
[1:03] » I'm Bill. with
[1:12] » District.
[1:27] » Thank you. Uh let's go. Granted, Matt
[1:31] and Dan online.
[1:34] Barnsworth with UD do.
[1:38] » Hi, this is Matt Gray with UTA Planning.
[1:43] » I'm Dan Fckner with Jones and Nell here
[1:46] representing Lake Point City.
[1:49] » And I'm not able to see uh who else is
[1:52] online except [clears throat]
[1:53] » You have Mayor Manzion.
[1:55] » Mayor Manzion. I'm here
[1:59] » And Paul and Paul Hansen to city
[2:02] » And you have Madison from WRC
[2:05] » And then Madison
[2:06] » Madison local administrative adviser
[2:09] WRC. Thank you.
[2:12] » Anybody else?
[2:13] » Uh did you get Andrea?
[2:15] » No.
[2:16] » And Rosie.
[2:18] » Andrea Moser and Rosie.
[2:22] » Yes. community advis
[2:26] community outreach specialist with WFRC
[2:29] » And Andrea Mosorth with Bow West. I'm
[2:31] working on the UDOT long-range plan.
[2:34] » Thank you, Andrea.
[2:36] Well, welcome everyone.
[2:41] Ask for any comments
[2:44] uh on the December 8th meeting minutes.
[2:51] And if no comments, we'll ask for a
[2:54] motion.
[2:55] » Second move.
[2:56] » Motion from Andy.
[3:00] Any second?
[3:04] » Thank you, Council Member.
[3:08] » All right. All in favor?
[3:11] » I
[3:14] Any opposed?
[3:17] That looks and approved.
[3:23] All right. Um,
[3:26] some of you are aware, uh, Reaper 2 has
[3:30] a new traffic operations engineer,
[3:33] Graham Farnsworth, and we'll turn the
[3:35] time to him, um, uh, to talk a bit about
[3:39] the, uh, next item, which is 12
[3:44] congestion mitigation air quality
[3:46] applications.
[3:48] And I'll just note that uh we'll be
[3:52] looking for discussion and potentially a
[3:55] motion for the RPO whether the RPO
[3:58] should recommend
[4:00] uh a couple of uh projects for CMAC
[4:04] funding. Uh approval action would then
[4:08] be taken by region two and uh the state
[4:11] transportation
[4:13] commission um down the road. But today
[4:15] we're just looking for um discussion and
[4:20] uh
[4:21] action on a on a recommendation. With
[4:24] that, Brad.
[4:35] » Um it doesn't look like he's on Oh,
[4:37] there he is.
[4:43] » He's muted. He's talking so will you
[4:45] tell him.
[4:46] » Sorry. Thanks. I'm Looks like I'm not
[4:48] able to share. This is the table that
[4:51] you sent me, Wayne. Right.
[4:53] » I can share it.
[4:55] » That'd be great.
[5:03] » Sorry, just one sec. One moment.
[5:18] Okay. So, he's good now.
[5:20] » All right. We can all see that table,
[5:23] right?
[5:24] » Perfect.
[5:26] So, um we have two applications, one
[5:29] from Lake Point and one from Erda, uh
[5:32] that provide cost estimates and gone
[5:34] through the um process to receive um
[5:38] congestion mitigation air quality funds
[5:41] and all of these have have passed the
[5:44] requirements that we've put forth. The
[5:46] first is providing uh go through with
[5:49] erda has two segments. Um one first
[5:53] along church road and that connects to
[5:56] the rabbit lane and then also continues
[5:59] its way to debates canyon pathway. Um
[6:02] where this will be an asphalt path
[6:04] extension as it's talked about here
[6:06] that'll connect to the junior high also
[6:08] the high school and Rose Springs
[6:11] Elementary School. So it's um reaching
[6:15] kind of these last critical segments
[6:16] into some neighborhood segments but also
[6:19] making those connections especially to
[6:20] the junior high. Um this total cost has
[6:24] been provided and estimated uh by Erdan
[6:28] and uh engineer and due to those um
[6:31] people walking and to be able to get to
[6:34] the junior high the emissions that would
[6:36] be saved are 75 kgs as demonstrated and
[6:41] it's above the benefit cost ratio needed
[6:45] to to be able to be funded.
[6:48] The second um first of all I guess I'll
[6:51] pause here. Any any questions about this
[6:53] pathway or this project?
[7:02] » Not seeing any.
[7:05] » All right, I'll keep going. Uh the next
[7:08] one is from Lake Point and this is for
[7:11] Saddleback Boulevard and it extends from
[7:15] um SR36
[7:18] um out to an existing I don't have the
[7:21] uh existing sidewalk that's already out
[7:24] there um to a roundabout to the east um
[7:28] connects into the neighborhoods and a
[7:30] UTA bus stop that will be on SR36
[7:33] providing that first and last mile
[7:35] connection And
[7:38] sorry, I'm just quickly looking up for
[7:39] that Sunset Road. There we go. On the
[7:42] north side of Saddleback Boulevard. Um,
[7:46] so being able to provide again another
[7:48] asphalt path that will be able to
[7:50] provide people um with a way to connect
[7:53] into a a transit option. Um the cost
[7:57] that's been estimated is $300,000
[8:00] um with the local match of $20,000
[8:03] and reducing emissions from those people
[8:05] that are walking to provide that or
[8:08] riding their bike to the bus stop. Um
[8:12] and provides the daily emissions
[8:14] reduction and a benefit to um
[8:19] qualified to be met for this funds.
[8:24] Are there any questions about this
[8:25] project?
[8:28] » Any questions online?
[8:34] » Sorry, got to get out of that screen.
[8:37] No questions that I can see.
[8:42] Thank you also for those that have
[8:44] applied to these funds. Appreciate the
[8:47] work that they've done and helping. Uh
[8:49] we we're always excited to see
[8:51] applications for um different options
[8:54] and so feel free to reach out to us or
[8:56] Wayne and myself if you have questions
[8:58] about potential projects that might
[9:00] qualify for this.
[9:03] » Thank you, Grant. Appreciate that.
[9:05] With that uh information, I'd look for a
[9:10] motion to recommend uh approval of these
[9:15] um two uh projects.
[9:20] » So moved.
[9:25] » Motion from Council Chair Burch.
[9:30] Any second?
[9:31] » Okay.
[9:34] » Great.
[9:35] Uh
[9:38] any discussion guys?
[9:41] All right. Um well uh with that we'll
[9:47] ask for a vote.
[9:49] All in favor? I
[9:52] » Any
[9:55] all right those will Dan recommended to
[9:59] region two and
[10:03] » Will be in touch with
[10:07] » Lake point in order to help
[10:11] proceed through next steps of the
[10:14] process.
[10:15] Thank you Grant.
[10:18] All right. Um,
[10:21] we have anybody from Eura with us?
[10:29] » Council Chair Burch.
[10:30] » Yes.
[10:31] » Are you planning on talking to the
[10:33] transportation transportation plan or
[10:37] was that um not your anticipation?
[10:41] » I don't know.
[10:45] Uh well, if there's anything you'd like
[10:49] to say about it, feel free. Um I had
[10:53] been in conversation or communication
[10:56] with uh one of the council and
[11:00] had understood, but maybe I
[11:02] misunderstood that they were going to
[11:05] talk a bit about u transportation. But
[11:11] » Someone else on my council,
[11:12] » Correct? Correct.
[11:14] » That's also
[11:16] » Correct.
[11:17] » My favorite council members.
[11:20] » Okay.
[11:21] » So,
[11:22] » Next time
[11:23] » Uh
[11:24] » No, I'm not prepared to talk.
[11:27] » What do you want to know?
[11:28] » That is just fine. Um
[11:32] will have just as much opportunity to
[11:34] provide input on the update to the 12
[11:37] valley plan. I just uh between last
[11:41] meeting and this meeting is trying to
[11:43] give each community the opportunity to
[11:47] uh share about their uh community's
[11:51] transport protection plan.
[11:52] » Okay. Well, I assume you spoke with
[11:54] someone on my perhaps on my roads
[11:56] department, roads committee. So, uh
[11:58] maybe tell me who it is later so I can
[12:00] follow up. I did.
[12:02] » No worries. Um I think we'll uh proceed
[12:06] and uh
[12:09] uh and not worry about the time.
[12:14] » Thank you. Um we are grateful you're
[12:18] here. Uh
[12:21] it's pretty critical that uh each of the
[12:24] communities uh have a voice in what
[12:28] happens here. So
[12:31] all right with that um and Bill remind
[12:35] me how to pronounce your last name.
[12:37] Coob.
[12:38] » Coob. Okay, we'll turn the time over to
[12:42] Bill Coob, the Branchfield's community
[12:46] and economic development director, and
[12:49] uh we look forward to hearing about
[12:52] about their transportation.
[12:55] » Well, strangely enough, it's not
[12:56] allowing me to share anymore.
[12:59] » Is the entire screen up when you have
[13:01] » Well, then nobody online can see it,
[13:03] though.
[13:05] » Is Rosie the host? No, I'm the host.
[13:08] Remember when I said we'll see if it
[13:10] works?
[13:12] I've never had this problem before, just
[13:14] so you're aware.
[13:16] We'll apologize to the people online.
[13:17] They're not going to be able to see.
[13:19] » I'll be very, very descriptive of each
[13:21] slide as they come up. There you go.
[13:24] » Um, thank you very much for the time.
[13:26] Uh, Grantsville, as you know, is the
[13:28] community just to the west of Mura. So,
[13:30] we want to make sure that that's clear
[13:32] on the record.
[13:35] » Wow.
[13:36] Love
[13:39] such good friends.
[13:44] I said quite a part out last, didn't I?
[13:46] [laughter]
[13:46] » Yeah, you did.
[13:48] » Um, we are
[13:50] pretty much done with our transportation
[13:52] master plan update. So, we're excited
[13:54] for this opportunity to share the
[13:55] process that we've been through. And
[13:57] [snorts] just a few of the key
[13:58] highlights here. Um, in 2022 there was
[14:03] an update to our transportation master
[14:05] plan that was gone through and kind of
[14:08] almost adopted but never really got to
[14:10] the stage where the city council
[14:12] adopted. There were some things that
[14:13] needed to be worked through. The next
[14:15] few years we um uh authorized a refresh
[14:20] and procured some grant funding through
[14:22] UDOT. Thank you very much UDOT for the
[14:24] help with that. And um it's uh we have
[14:28] $90,000 that we put towards this update
[14:30] to our transportation master plan. We uh
[14:33] are currently working with uh Jones and
[14:36] DeL who have been great to work with,
[14:38] very responsive and very engaged with
[14:41] this uh city when uh we started working
[14:45] on this last October. And like I said,
[14:48] we're getting really close to being
[14:49] done. Um some of the highlights that I
[14:51] wanted to point out were um we uh looked
[14:54] at the transportation uh master plan and
[14:57] how it aligns with UD do's uh overall
[15:01] transportation vision. And that was
[15:04] important for us because we work with uh
[15:07] UD do and with the county and with other
[15:09] communities and trying to put together a
[15:11] product that will um be integrated into
[15:14] a a whole transportation system.
[15:16] Obviously, you don't start your car and
[15:18] end all of your car trips in Grantsville
[15:21] and not all of your car trips end up in
[15:23] Grantsville if you started somewhere
[15:25] else. So, uh this is a network and a a
[15:29] comprehensive kind of thing and we have
[15:31] to look at the way that each community
[15:33] works with and
[15:36] more. So, that was important to us.
[15:42] We start with looking at what our
[15:44] current asphalt situation looks like in
[15:46] the city and there are areas that will
[15:49] need to be worked on and replaced. As
[15:52] such, um some of those were will be
[15:54] eligible for an upgrade as well as we
[15:56] look into that. So, um this was an
[15:59] important place for us to start with
[16:01] kind of an inventory of what our asphalt
[16:03] looks like.
[16:06] Um then we looked at how to treat those
[16:09] things. Probably skip past that one
[16:11] pretty quick and
[16:14] this one as well. Just looking at how
[16:17] these uh roads are being serviced and
[16:19] are servicing the community and the
[16:23] residents that are there.
[16:28] » Sorry, this is struggling.
[16:31] » This one we're looking at. Um this slide
[16:33] talks about the functional
[16:35] classification and how we have different
[16:37] options for different uh intensities of
[16:40] uses and different road types.
[16:44] Let's look at that.
[16:52] » This one has breaks down the um amount
[16:54] of mileage and and road width and the
[16:59] the percentage of different types of
[17:01] roads in town.
[17:04] We looked at um ADTS the the
[17:10] is that average or yeah average daily
[17:12] traffic and then we have some peak
[17:14] numbers there as well on different roads
[17:16] in town and uh some of these were
[17:19] surprising some of these were as you
[17:21] might expect obviously Main Street is uh
[17:23] not on there because that's information
[17:25] that UD do helps us with but these are
[17:27] other roads that we saw in town and um
[17:30] it was uh there were some definitely
[17:33] interesting things that we um noted as
[17:37] we work through this process.
[17:41] One of the things that's important and
[17:42] continues to be important has to do with
[17:45] uh active transportation including
[17:48] pedestrian facilities as well as bicycle
[17:50] and other modalities. And we want to
[17:52] look at different kinds of things that
[17:54] we could implement some areas in town.
[17:56] Um we don't have a huge trail network in
[17:59] town as of yet, but uh as the
[18:04] pressure to develop increases and as we
[18:06] see um additional homes, businesses come
[18:10] to Grantsville, as we're anticipating,
[18:13] we're going to want to see more of these
[18:14] kinds of things both on street and
[18:16] separated uh paths and and other things
[18:19] to help keep our folks safe as they move
[18:21] around the community.
[18:24] This was just kind of interesting. This
[18:26] was their population estimates as we um
[18:29] are pushing forward now. The uh the
[18:32] estimates that you see there are where
[18:36] we are right now. You see we started
[18:37] from 2015 which gave us a nice base
[18:39] number of about 15,000 people and we're
[18:42] anticipating doubling that over the next
[18:44] 25 years and getting up to
[18:47] around 30,000 35,000 people. So that's
[18:51] going to be some pretty big growth for
[18:52] us uh in the next 25 years. And and it's
[18:55] important for us as we move forward with
[18:57] these things that we have um goals and
[19:02] anticipated needs and and that kind of
[19:05] thing. So that's why we're looking at
[19:06] this kind of chart where we've got
[19:08] different roads and excuse me the
[19:12] patterns for transit and other uses that
[19:15] we will anticipate there. Um, Dery
[19:18] Street, I think, is a big one. As folks
[19:20] look for an alternate way to get east
[19:22] and west through town, Main Street kind
[19:24] of becomes a little bit well, it just
[19:27] gets bogged down. So, uh, that traffic
[19:29] is going to push to the south onto Dery
[19:32] Street. And as that connects up over to,
[19:35] uh, the industrial area on the east side
[19:37] of town, the residential areas on the
[19:39] west side of town, we're anticipating
[19:41] that that could be a significant east
[19:43] west core. uh sheet lane obviously there
[19:46] towards the middle is u
[19:49] going to be a big one as well as we go
[19:51] forward.
[19:54] So we are looking at road crosssections.
[19:56] This these are updated roadway
[19:58] crosssections. This was in in order to
[19:59] keep with state code and uh the pavement
[20:02] widths that they allow for now in their
[20:06] infinite wisdom and all their traffic
[20:08] expertise and yeah the way yeah all of
[20:11] that. Thank you. Thank you for that.
[20:14] Sorry, I said that quiet part.
[20:18] Um, and then overall we've got a network
[20:21] of uh corridors and and transportation
[20:25] routes. One of the things that we're
[20:27] working on very closely currently is uh
[20:31] we're working with the county and with
[20:32] the uh to will army depot to um
[20:39] procure some rightway along the north
[20:40] boundary of the depot or road that will
[20:44] run east and west again similar to the
[20:48] way the Derby road moves east and west.
[20:51] and then N green which is just above the
[20:53] it's kind of in between uh Dery and the
[20:57] key of that green line.
[20:59] Um as you can see as they move to the
[21:02] west they follow kind of the natural
[21:05] topography to connect over to areas that
[21:07] are developing out on the west side
[21:09] above where the Walmart distribution
[21:11] centers at. And uh then we have things
[21:15] on the north side of town
[21:18] that are
[21:21] anticipated to be needed in the
[21:25] the future the window of this
[21:28] transportation master plan which was
[21:29] about 25 years. So
[21:32] it's all on the table. It's all open and
[21:34] all ready to be looked at. And we're
[21:37] excited. We're very grateful for the
[21:39] funding for the assistance and all of
[21:41] the love and support that we have from
[21:43] the county and from other communities as
[21:45] well as from Utah. So if anyone has any
[21:48] questions, we'd be happy to talk about
[21:50] and I'll probably defer mostly to Shel
[21:53] really knows what's going on.
[21:56] » Thank you, Bill. Any questions for Bill,
[22:00] please Jeff? So with um the
[22:03] transportation master plan the act
[22:06] transportation element of that we've had
[22:09] conversations with uh the Utah trail
[22:12] network seeing how grantsville main
[22:14] streets been identified
[22:16] as the vision for that.
[22:18] » Yeah.
[22:19] » Is is the plan going to be updated to at
[22:22] least recommend
[22:24] um which side of the road that should go
[22:26] on? What we were what we were thinking
[22:29] was maybe putting it on the south
[22:32] provides a better connection to 112.
[22:35] Is that something that could be
[22:36] considered or should be considered?
[22:38] » I I think we've talked about that
[22:40] specifically or explicitly at least not
[22:42] that I remember. But
[22:44] » No, we haven't we waiting on you not to
[22:47] us on what side they wanted to on but
[22:50] it's a conversation with
[22:53] them.
[22:56] It sounds like South is the preferred
[22:58] that that's that's as as we talked
[23:00] internally that that's kind of where
[23:02] we're at. Um just
[23:05] it it provides more connection better
[23:07] connection to the schools the existing
[23:10] schools and things like that. Um where
[23:13] that seems a more viable solution than
[23:16] trying to develop north and then
[23:17] figuring out.
[23:20] » Okay. I'll I'll reach back out to the
[23:23] UTM.
[23:25] Perfect.
[23:32] » Not me.
[23:34] » In that case, yes,
[23:37] » I don't know what this is doing. Sorry.
[23:41] » It's the slide just above this one.
[23:43] » Yeah, that's not what my screen's
[23:44] showing though. Sorry.
[23:50] » We're getting new technology in this
[23:52] room, just so you're aware. No, it's
[23:54] not.
[23:58] It's not going back to that.
[24:00] » I'm sorry, guys. I don't know what's
[24:01] happening in life.
[24:04] » So, I'm here and I know in
[24:08] this um Army Depot road, but we have
[24:11] 2000 that directly
[24:14] go across Mid Valley Highway
[24:17] areas. Is that something that that we
[24:21] want? This would be one of the only east
[24:24] west connections
[24:27] in the city.
[24:29] » That's that's a good point. Um that is
[24:31] something from the to Valley area study
[24:34] that we taking that we thought made made
[24:38] good sense. Um how how that connects
[24:44] obviously that that hasn't been fleshed
[24:46] out. Um could we move the proposed
[24:48] interchange with Valley?
[24:51] Absolutely. So because of that by by
[24:55] showing 33rd Parkway, we we see actually
[24:58] both 33rd Parkway and 2000 North as
[25:01] being um east west priorities for this
[25:04] area. So having these lines on on a map
[25:08] and then those being adopted into the
[25:10] local master plans, I think will will
[25:15] provide some long-term benefit to the
[25:19] community.
[25:22] I assume along those lines though
[25:24] because that part that's going to the
[25:26] east is not in grandson,
[25:28] » Right?
[25:29] » And so we'd have to have the other plans
[25:31] identify that,
[25:32] » Right? Yeah, that's that's both probably
[25:35] Twilla City. I don't know if it goes
[25:37] down that far, but Twilla City would
[25:38] have to have that on there.
[25:40] » So I would have to jump I'm not sure
[25:42] what you do at 112. If you're jumping
[25:44] 112, you're jumping mid valley, you're
[25:46] jumping the the bike path as well. I'm
[25:48] not sure how those all work out, but
[25:50] that's the the issues we have in
[25:51] between.
[25:52] » Yeah, from a from a a line extra
[25:54] perspective, it it it seems to make make
[25:57] a lot of sense, especially with Colonel
[25:59] I think it's Colonel Road, what Grant
[26:01] Grall that runs along the north edge of
[26:04] of the Army Depot. You know, trying to
[26:07] connect these um these future and
[26:10] existing roadways in a so they're not
[26:13] skewed um better alignment.
[26:17] I think that that that will benefit the
[26:20] network, the local network. Um how we
[26:23] how we do that that that still need to
[26:27] be.
[26:28] » Yeah.
[26:34] » Other questions or comments for
[26:37] Bransville?
[26:41] All right. Thank you.
[26:43] Well uh appreciate your sharing that and
[26:48] opportunity to initiate some discussion
[26:51] there. So,
[26:53] » Uh, for the next item, um, as most of
[26:58] you are aware, uh, every four years, the
[27:01] state and the four NPOS and UTA update
[27:05] the statewide unified transportation
[27:07] plan, uh, the four MO regional
[27:10] transportation plans, the state long
[27:13] range plan uh, for areas outside of the
[27:16] NPOS's, and the UTA transit longrange
[27:20] plan.
[27:22] Uh these plans are pretty critical uh
[27:25] for major roadway capacity needs to be
[27:28] identified and plan for as well as
[27:30] transit and active transportation needs.
[27:34] And the next update of these plans is
[27:37] currently scheduled to be completed by
[27:40] mid 2027.
[27:43] So year to a year and a half from now.
[27:47] and we'll cover the time period 2027 to
[27:51] 2055.
[27:54] Uh there's no requirement that the Tilla
[27:57] Valley RPO plan be on the same schedule.
[28:01] Uh but it would probably help uh with
[28:07] better coordination and alignment uh
[28:11] dialogue and opportunities to do our
[28:14] best to to work together uh for getting
[28:20] coordination more coordination between
[28:22] local facilities and state facilities
[28:25] and the plans for such um to update the
[28:29] RPO plan on a similar time frame to uh
[28:34] the unified plan and the NPOS's and and
[28:37] the state and UTA. Um
[28:41] any comments or thoughts about that
[28:45] initial thought,
[28:49] » Please sh
[28:57] anything you'd like to say in that
[28:59] regard? I've got a bit of background on
[29:03] that. I can share a few thoughts, but
[29:05] Matt, anything you'd like to share? The
[29:09] question was any thoughts or plans in
[29:14] regard to bringing tracks or UTA
[29:17] uh more fully out to to
[29:25] » Um Sorry, I had to step away, but I did
[29:27] hear you when you repeated it. Um
[29:31] uh anything that we have planned should
[29:34] be in
[29:36] um RTPs or our longrange transit plan.
[29:41] Um
[29:43] light rail I don't I don't we wouldn't
[29:46] have any plans at this time. Um
[29:50] but um
[29:54] » We bring how do we get on the plan to
[29:55] bring front runners out here?
[29:57] » Yeah. And go ahead, Matt. I'll I can
[30:02] supplement if if you want.
[30:04] » Yeah. Yeah. Would you give it a shot?
[30:07] » Sure. Um so uh about five years ago uh
[30:12] UTA and local governments worked on a
[30:16] transit uh feasibility study and
[30:20] identified four different alternatives
[30:23] for improved transit between Tula Valley
[30:26] and Salt Lake Valley uh including
[30:29] commuter rail and uh bus rapid transit
[30:33] uh and a couple other alternatives. Um
[30:38] the uh costs both both from a cost
[30:43] perspective and from a wrership
[30:45] perspective
[30:47] uh it was difficult to justify anything
[30:51] um beyond
[30:53] uh an enhanced bus service. Um that can
[30:58] certainly be looked at again. Uh but
[31:00] that's um
[31:04] our most recent uh transit feasibility
[31:07] study. Uh looking at that,
[31:12] like I said, costs and writership were
[31:15] both analyzed. I'd be happy to get a
[31:18] copy of that
[31:20] sent
[31:22] to to you and whoever whomever else
[31:25] would would like it.
[31:28] Beldon and
[31:30] Shelby and anybody else that would
[31:32] Kathleen
[31:35] send it to the group.
[31:36] » Yeah, we'll just send it uh send it out.
[31:39] Kimal.
[31:55] So the question was whether there's
[31:57] something somewhat you know similar to
[32:00] the Uber that lift that might have been
[32:03] looked at. Um
[32:06] Matt either you or I could talk briefly
[32:09] about the on demand service uh that's
[32:14] currently operating in Tilla Valley.
[32:20] Do you want to take that matter or do
[32:22] you want me to take a shot at that?
[32:26] » Yeah,
[32:26] » I'm sorry. I've I've been cutting in and
[32:28] out. Um
[32:31] uh can you repeat that?
[32:33] » Um could you talk briefly about the on
[32:36] demand service that's out here and uh
[32:40] potential
[32:42] uh enhancements to that?
[32:46] Yeah, what I can say is that you know
[32:48] the on demand service that's serving
[32:50] Twilla, Grantsville, Erda, Stansbury,
[32:54] um I think that can be an indicator of
[32:57] demand for transit and so um it's a good
[33:01] start but uh it would be better to have
[33:04] fixed route and I know that uh fixed
[33:08] route service to
[33:10] Tilla that is regular and not just peak
[33:12] hours uh is in our plans and um I think
[33:18] that would be really great. Um
[33:23] and
[33:24] uh
[33:26] that's about all I can say on that.
[33:30] » Okay. Thanks, Matt. Appreciate it. Um
[33:34] » Talk more offline as well, but
[33:39] sorry. We can talk more offline as well.
[33:42] Um but for the time being
[33:45] area. [clears throat]
[33:47] uh recap. Um
[33:50] » So
[33:52] just as a starting point for discussion,
[33:55] I'd like to uh given that uh it's likely
[33:59] beneficial to both local governments as
[34:03] well as uh everyone who lives and works
[34:07] out here to uh try and coordinate
[34:11] development of state plans and local
[34:13] plans as much as possible. I'd like to
[34:16] propose a a schedule for updating the
[34:19] RPO plan and ask for your for your
[34:22] thoughts. This is just a starting point.
[34:27] » Tell me what you think. But um what I
[34:30] propose is holding an additional meeting
[34:34] of the RPO the latter half of April uh
[34:38] to look at the existing RPO plan highway
[34:42] plan highway element of the plan and
[34:45] identify what highway projects would be
[34:47] appropriate, what roadway projects would
[34:50] be appropriate to add to the plan. Um,
[34:54] and then at our June meeting, take that
[34:58] list that we come up with in April of
[35:01] needed roadway improvements by 2055.
[35:05] Uh, in June, uh, come back and develop a
[35:10] proposed phasing or prioritization of
[35:13] those needs. Um, up to 205.
[35:18] Uh and then at our September meeting,
[35:20] I'd propose looking at both our active
[35:25] transportation and transit plans that we
[35:29] currently have and uh trying to identify
[35:32] updates to those. Uh and then taking
[35:37] that out into public comment uh in
[35:40] October or November.
[35:43] And uh and that would allow us to get
[35:47] some uh public input on the uh the RPO
[35:52] plan prior to UD do getting public input
[35:57] on the statewide plan uh in the winter
[36:03] like January February time frame.
[36:06] So, uh, just a proposal. What do you
[36:11] think?
[36:15] » I think we're good.
[36:17] » I got two uh two thumbs up.
[36:21] Any other comments? Looks like
[36:26] sounds agreeable to folks. So, let's
[36:28] plan on doing that. Um, while we've got
[36:32] a minute. Um, is there a time in the
[36:38] latter part of April, I mean, does
[36:40] Monday afternoon like on April 20th,
[36:45] uh, is that an option either April 20th,
[36:50] Monday 1:30 if the room is available or
[36:55] either the Monday before, Monday after,
[36:57] but the 20th I'm seeing a couple of head
[37:00] nods and agreement. Um, so let's plan on
[37:06] uh that additional meeting on April 20th
[37:11] and then we'll follow that with uh the
[37:14] already scheduled meetings in on June
[37:16] 8th and whatever the second Monday in
[37:20] September is.
[37:23] » We move that to the 27th. Britney or I
[37:26] will be there. Yeah. Be on the 20th.
[37:27] Would that work for
[37:31] everyone else to if we move that to
[37:33] April 27th?
[37:35] » Doesn't work for me, but I'll try and
[37:37] get some
[37:45] » City
[37:47] is April 27th the afternoon like 1:30 on
[37:51] April 27th work.
[37:53] » Yes.
[37:55] » Okay.
[37:57] Well, good. Let's let's plan on that and
[38:00] we'll uh count on getting
[38:05] somebody from
[38:07] here. So, April 27,
[38:10] June 8th, and then the second Monday in
[38:13] September.
[38:16] All right. Thank you. Uh appreciate
[38:19] that. more information and
[38:24] discussion to come. But um
[38:28] Udant is regarding this next agenda
[38:31] item. Udant is starting on their update
[38:35] to the statewide plan and the first step
[38:37] in that is developing socioeconomic
[38:41] forecasts. So with that introduction,
[38:43] I'll turn it over to Natalia.
[38:49] use this.
[38:51] » Yeah.
[38:54] » Okay.
[39:01] I oversee the development of some of our
[39:03] tools into a future. Um some of you were
[39:08] in a meeting. I remember Shelby um uh in
[39:13] July of last year we were looking at
[39:16] households in 2023 and I asked if you
[39:19] could provide that feedback. So we took
[39:21] that feedback and we proved our 2023
[39:24] estimates. These were like these are not
[39:27] like at the county level but for zone
[39:30] specific so much smaller
[39:32] city level it's much smaller and
[39:36] » Are you actually
[39:38] » Thank you um we'll show you what the
[39:41] granularity is um here um but so we did
[39:45] that last year um in around October we
[39:49] sent an email out to
[39:52] jobs so thank you for all of those that
[39:55] provided feedback for us. We implemented
[39:57] that as well and now we're here to look
[40:01] at the future. So we took 2023 estimates
[40:05] with all the feedback that we got from
[40:06] you and we um use that as a starting
[40:10] point and then projected out all the way
[40:12] in 2055. And that's what this map is
[40:16] showing. Um, so what we'd like your help
[40:20] now is to review 255
[40:24] both households and job estimates. Um,
[40:29] we so um it's all at what we call zones
[40:35] um that make up the entire county. Um
[40:39] and so um you can zoom in to either
[40:44] dwell or like orville maybe just to kind
[40:49] of so the more populated the area the
[40:52] smaller the zones get. Um so I just want
[40:54] to give you a sense of what these look
[40:57] like but
[40:59] um our so what we did was we used the
[41:02] KCR policy institute estimates we call
[41:06] them totals um they give a high level so
[41:10] for in the case I was looking at these
[41:12] numbers earlier
[41:13] » Can I just click on
[41:18] we have by 2055
[41:24] almost 58,000
[41:27] homes households.
[41:28] » It's not me.
[41:30] » Jobs.
[41:36] » I feel so stupid right now.
[41:38] » You have about 44,000
[41:40] jobs in the future. So, our job is to
[41:43] get those numbers that try to allow you
[41:45] to do these different things. We did our
[41:47] best to get uh appropriate numbers, but
[41:51] that's why we need your help to see if
[41:53] they make sense. Um we we knew something
[41:56] from previous studies from components
[41:58] we've received in the past. So we try to
[42:00] use all of that and do our best to put
[42:03] that together. Um but now we need your
[42:06] eyes on this and see does this make
[42:08] sense. So we did a few things that I
[42:10] wanted to just uh kind of guide you on
[42:12] how to review this. So if you could at
[42:14] the very top there is on the uh right
[42:17] side there's HH which stands for
[42:20] households and there says EMP that stand
[42:22] for employment. Um and in each of them
[42:25] we have four different layers. So
[42:28] different ways of looking at the data.
[42:29] So the first one which is what when you
[42:31] open it what you're going to see is
[42:32] households for 2023 but you can um
[42:36] uncheck that and look at just uh 2055
[42:41] which is the next layer over that's just
[42:43] so 555
[42:46] um but then the next one down is for the
[42:50] change.
[42:52] So this is how much each of these zones
[42:54] is growing. So it's 2055 minus 2023. Um
[42:59] and this is helpful to see like what
[43:00] zones are um growing the most sense but
[43:05] maybe like there are other areas that
[43:08] are growing more. So this is just a way
[43:10] of explaining that. And then the very
[43:12] last one is the percent change which
[43:15] this could be a little bit tricky
[43:16] because if you have one household right
[43:19] now like in the future you have five 500
[43:22] the percent is going to be really high.
[43:24] Um so this one take with a grain of salt
[43:28] because of that area that is zero right
[43:30] now but you're going to have growth in
[43:32] the future it may may have like huge
[43:34] percentages. So this is just different
[43:36] ways to look at the data. Um so this age
[43:40] is just for households and the same
[43:42] thing is this for employment where we
[43:44] have jobs for 2023
[43:47] for 2055 the absolute difference of
[43:50] those those two and the numbers percent.
[43:52] So, what we're looking for um is for you
[43:56] to look at this and see if it makes
[43:58] sense. If it doesn't, if you have areas
[44:00] that shouldn't be going, shouldn't be
[44:03] drawing at all, but um should uh put a
[44:08] point in there. So, the way to put the
[44:10] point is on that same uh top right, the
[44:15] second symbol. Yeah. Right there.
[44:20] Uh there's new feature. you just click
[44:22] there and you can start putting that
[44:23] anywhere and then you can write in a say
[44:26] this doesn't make any sense it should be
[44:27] way less um there may be cases where you
[44:30] know there's a development coming in
[44:32] already there should be at least 200
[44:35] homes in this area that's the type of
[44:37] command that we're looking for and then
[44:39] you have time frames for those even
[44:42] better like oh there's a development
[44:44] coming here in 2030
[44:46] and 2030 we should have about this that
[44:49] is helpful because what they need to do
[44:51] was time it. So, we're showing just just
[44:54] 2055, but then we need to start putting
[44:57] them5
[45:00] now 2025.
[45:03] » That makes sense what the request is.
[45:06] » Yeah. Okay.
[45:07] » Do we have a
[45:10] uh is this layer accessible?
[45:12] » We can send that to you.
[45:13] » Okay.
[45:15] » Never mind.
[45:17] I'm behind.
[45:19] » Okay. And if you um we can send you the
[45:21] actual layer if you want to create your
[45:24] own maps and locate it that way. We can
[45:26] absolutely do that. Um my contact info
[45:29] is in the uh the first tab or the info
[45:32] at the very bottom of my email. So if
[45:34] you'd like anything like send me send
[45:37] you run specifically or something like
[45:40] that or send you a later so you can
[45:42] create your own map, we can absolutely
[45:44] do that. The important thing is that we
[45:46] can get your information because we want
[45:48] to make this estimates as accurate as
[45:52] possible. Um, and no better way than
[45:55] having your eyes. So yeah, if you have
[45:58] any questions,
[46:02] » Tell him by when are you
[46:04] » Excited?
[46:21] Four weeks
[46:23] » For the next meeting.
[46:24] » Well, yeah. Yes, that's what I was
[46:26] thinking. We had it by the next meeting.
[46:28] » By next meeting.
[46:30] » Yeah,
[46:33] » That's four. No, more than that.
[46:37] » Yeah. Anyway, uh by the next meeting, so
[46:40] April 27th.
[46:42] » Yes. By then, just have everything
[46:44] either. So you can put points in the map
[46:47] but you can also just send me an email
[46:48] and say hey these areas
[46:51] if you have development site plans or
[46:54] something like that that would also be
[46:56] helpful for us. um no require advice
[47:00] whatsoever but that is helpful just for
[47:02] weekends but sometimes these zones don't
[47:04] exactly cover a full development so they
[47:06] can split the development so that
[47:08] silence
[47:11] um another thing that is helpful for us
[47:14] is how sure the developments are because
[47:18] again we're constrained by what gardener
[47:21] provides so if we think so that growth
[47:26] like saying by 2055 it's about 30,000
[47:29] households. So we need to feel that
[47:31] growth in the entire country or maybe
[47:33] all the developments that you have are
[47:35] going to push us to 50,000. So we need
[47:37] to start prioritizing which ones are
[47:39] more sure than others or maybe at the
[47:41] moment you say there's 7,000 units
[47:43] coming in but maybe realistically we're
[47:45] talking about5.
[47:49] So we just start making some decisions.
[47:51] So the more information we have the
[47:53] better we can get this into this and we
[47:57] do this every four years. So in four
[47:59] years we come back and ask. So this is
[48:02] not now or never but we get it now the
[48:05] better.
[48:10] » Any further questions or comments for
[48:15] » I just took a survey from I think the
[48:20] county. I'm not sure. It's a safety
[48:21] survey of the things that need to be
[48:25] developed or need to be in our opinion.
[48:29] What does Tilla County need to work on
[48:32] safety wise on roadways? You guys do
[48:35] know what that
[48:36] » Michelle can give you more information
[48:38] on that.
[48:39] » And does that factor into this stuff at
[48:42] all or is that
[48:45] » What was that for?
[48:49] It's forward road implementation.
[48:53] » Okay. All right.
[48:59] » Our whole district took that survey.
[49:01] They were fascinated by it. They were
[49:04] all all over it.
[49:07] » And I should mention that the reason we
[49:08] are doing this is to
[49:11] help us plan. So depending on where the
[49:13] growth is occurring, how much demand
[49:15] we're going to have and you know
[49:17] transportation infrastructure.
[49:20] So it it informs
[49:23] um the future transportation
[49:26] area.
[49:29] » Perfect. Thank you.
[49:30] » Any questions? My email is in that link
[49:32] and hopefully if you can distribute that
[49:34] link to this group. I think it's in the
[49:36] agenda but
[49:39] » We will distribute it.
[49:40] » Thank you.
[49:43] All right. Uh, turn the time over to
[49:47] Jeff Dupe to talk about high priority
[49:50] corridor designations
[49:53] on me.
[49:57] » I'll bring
[50:00] um, so going to your question on on the
[50:02] safety improvements on on corridors.
[50:06] One one thing to kind of look at what
[50:08] Natalia was saying we're taking with the
[50:11] long range we're taking that period to
[50:13] look out. So a lot in most cases these
[50:17] safety improvements are more during
[50:19] shorter shorter time frame. So they're
[50:22] just looked at differently than what
[50:25] we're trying to do here. The the one
[50:27] thing to add to um Natalia's schedule
[50:31] for getting that that data hopefully by
[50:34] the or looking at all these all these
[50:38] socioeconomic data um by the end of
[50:41] April what that's going to help with us
[50:44] determine what what those long-term
[50:48] priorities need to look like um sooner.
[50:52] We we actually need um within those
[50:55] recommendations and and be able to do
[50:57] that analysis around that in the summer
[51:00] time frame the last August time frame to
[51:03] to move forward in the next steps of the
[51:05] the long range planning process. So if
[51:09] the as soon we can get to some level of
[51:12] concurrence on the on the socioeconomic
[51:17] data we can start working on the
[51:19] prioritization of of course what's those
[51:22] long
[51:24] required speaking of um high priority
[51:28] corridors. So this is a this is a list
[51:31] that um the commission is is is asked to
[51:35] assemble. Um and or at least our
[51:39] transportation commission is asked to
[51:41] assemble. And back in uh February at our
[51:47] in our commission workshop, it was
[51:50] recommended that we add
[51:53] um Mid Valley Highway to the high
[51:56] priority corridor list.
[51:59] What that
[52:02] you thought that would be a good thing.
[52:06] But what what's important what's really
[52:09] unique about this is so it it's not it
[52:12] hasn't seen final approval. It's just a
[52:14] recommendation. But what what's really
[52:17] important about that recommendation is
[52:19] that then it kind of puts
[52:23] puts some emphasis on on any development
[52:26] that's happening along that corridor or
[52:29] adjacent to that corridor that the
[52:32] department um become notified
[52:36] that so that we can then start having
[52:38] some of those coral preservation
[52:41] discussions. Um because right now with
[52:44] with the the you don't have a project
[52:47] identified
[52:48] um that actually has has anything but um
[52:53] planning dollars assigned to it. Um we
[52:57] we have to work on a willing buyer
[53:00] willing seller scenario.
[53:03] So by by designating the thinking is by
[53:06] designating this high priority then you
[53:10] as locals u and county can let us know
[53:14] when these developments come in so that
[53:16] we can start that start having those
[53:18] conversations and hopefully get things
[53:22] preserved as much as we possibly can. So
[53:25] it just kind of helps helps that
[53:27] partnership um formalize that
[53:29] partnership a little bit. Does that that
[53:32] make sense what we're asking? Okay. So
[53:36] that's that's really the the uh we don't
[53:39] have final approval saying I don't
[53:41] » March commission is when commission for
[53:44] » Okay. So that'll be um that'll be
[53:48] officially commission this month. Um in
[53:52] fact I think it's next week two weeks.
[53:54] Was it two weeks? 2013. Okay. Anytime.
[53:58] And so head towards the end of the
[54:00] month. Um then then the commission will
[54:04] will review and hopefully approve that
[54:08] recommendations.
[54:09] » Is that expected? Do you need anything
[54:11] in support of that recommendation?
[54:13] » I I I don't think so. um because what
[54:17] what we did with the valley study and
[54:20] when the commission was out here uh it's
[54:23] been two years
[54:25] since um since since they were out here
[54:27] um
[54:29] it's all these conversations that are
[54:31] leading to that decision being made. So
[54:33] I I think I I think we're we're okay if
[54:36] if you want to if you want to send
[54:38] something to the to the commission,
[54:40] you're more than welcome to saying we we
[54:42] support your we would be in support of
[54:44] your decision to to add that to your
[54:47] type list. Your requirement is to inform
[54:51] you of the recommendation prior to
[54:55] becoming finalized.
[55:02] » Okay. We should be notifying you.
[55:05] » If you want to if you want to send it to
[55:06] me, that's perfectly fine. Then I then I
[55:08] will
[55:12] change.
[55:17] » Okay. So Jeff, your ask is to for local
[55:22] governments to notify you of uh
[55:27] developments that are
[55:30] what's the best word? Well, any any um
[55:34] potential developments that would would
[55:37] be occurring within the mountain within
[55:40] the mid valley mid valley mount sometime
[55:44] give flip within the the mid valley
[55:47] highway corridor.
[55:48] » So the the environmentally cleared
[55:51] alignment.
[55:51] » Okay. adjacent to or in because what we
[55:55] want to try to do is avoid any
[55:58] additional development coming in that
[56:01] would then preclude us from or or would
[56:05] require us to then re-evaluate
[56:08] that highway alignment because now we've
[56:10] got a development kind of standing in
[56:12] the way. So it helps it just helps get
[56:15] everybody on the same page so that as
[56:17] development is pending or being
[56:19] discussed, let us know. So then we can
[56:22] start insert insert ourselves in those
[56:25] conversations and see what what we can
[56:27] do to preserve that.
[56:30] » Do we have a final route?
[56:33] Yeah, that the we what we did is we
[56:35] cleared about a 200 foot swah
[56:39] um you know like for example in
[56:42] splitting you know going along the west
[56:44] side of the of the airport and and
[56:47] coming out that way
[56:50] are there when we get into um into final
[56:53] design those things will be refined but
[56:57] we we clear that environmental footprint
[56:59] [clears throat]
[57:00] first because
[57:02] that that that gives us the opportunity
[57:05] to be flexible where we need to be um
[57:08] and and try to hold off any any
[57:11] development that that could be
[57:13] encroaching into.
[57:16] » So So is that do you have a picture of
[57:19] that on your website where you the final
[57:21] lines of that too? Yeah, I I can I'll
[57:24] share I'll share.
[57:30] » Yeah, in fact
[57:33] the [clears throat] map that um was
[57:36] displaying from our
[57:39] following the the environment
[57:41] environmentally
[57:43] » That
[57:49] again we're still talking lines on the
[57:50] map. So things things can can be
[57:53] adjusted but we want to try to minimize
[57:55] that as much as possible.
[58:02] » Great.
[58:04] Thank you Jeff. Um
[58:07] any other items of business?
[58:12] Hearing none seeing none. Uh I'll just
[58:16] note uh for our April 27th meeting uh if
[58:21] you're able to attend in person that
[58:25] would be wonderful. I think we can
[58:27] [snorts] have uh an even more effective
[58:31] conversation about uh updates to the
[58:35] plan uh by having the conversation in
[58:37] person. Um
[58:40] but uh other than that uh we will stand
[58:44] adjourned and forward to seeing you on
[58:48] Monday, April 27th.
[58:51] Thank you.