1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,520 Good morning everyone. Thank you so much 2 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:08,160 for being here. We are going to get 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:09,599 started with our regional growth 4 00:00:09,599 --> 00:00:12,000 committee. I am not the chair of 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,920 regional growth committee. So if you're 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,480 going, what are you doing? Uh chair 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,480 Tammy Tran, Mayor Tammy Tran is unable 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,640 to attend today and asked me as chair of 9 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,519 the Wasatch Front Regional Council to 10 00:00:23,519 --> 00:00:24,960 conduct this meeting instead. My name is 11 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Don Ramsey and I I chair the council. a 12 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,039 member of the regional growth committee, 13 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:31,039 a former chair of the committee, but not 14 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:32,399 the current chair of the committee. So, 15 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:33,920 I'm happy to be able to substitute and 16 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,520 fill in and we'll do my best to try to 17 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,920 fill the uh very big capable shoes of 18 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,239 Mayor Tammy Tran. Appreciate the chance 19 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:42,480 to be here. Today is Thursday, May 21st, 20 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:44,640 2026. Uh we're going to have 21 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,160 introductions both here around the table 22 00:00:46,160 --> 00:00:48,239 and then Andrea, if you'll please uh 23 00:00:48,239 --> 00:00:49,600 call out the names of everybody who's 24 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,440 here online. Let's let's start over here 25 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,039 with Rosie and go around the table and 26 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:54,239 then we'll go around the room and then 27 00:00:54,239 --> 00:00:57,039 online. Rosie Hernandez and I'm part of 28 00:00:57,039 --> 00:00:58,800 the admin team at the Wasatch Front 29 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,719 Regional Council. 30 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:02,559 >> Jordan Chandler, also part of the admin 31 00:01:02,559 --> 00:01:05,990 team at WFRC. 32 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,760 » Gayen Ben, I'm mayor of Cottonwood 33 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,159 Heights. I'm an alternate. 34 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:14,000 >> Marie Dhy, mayor of Clinton. 35 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,520 >> Genie Groberg, mayor of Fruit Heights, 36 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,560 also an alternate. 37 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,320 >> Pete Bradshaw, mayor of Bountiful. 38 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,560 >> Bla Ferril, Oregon County Commissioner. 39 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:26,320 And I'd like to know why Kendall is not 40 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:29,080 here in person. 41 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,069 [laughter] 42 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:35,920 » Andrea Pearson. Um, WR 43 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:37,840 I work here and I'm an admin. [laughter] 44 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,040 Sorry. 45 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,600 >> Good enough. Good morning everybody. 46 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,200 Andrew Guber. I'm executive director 47 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,030 here at WFRC. 48 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,079 » Good morning. Ted Nolson, uh, WFRC chief 49 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:53,119 planner and deputy director. 50 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:54,880 >> Good morning. Beth Hullbrook, Utah 51 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,439 Transit Authority, and I wear some other 52 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,960 hats, too, but I'm excited to be here. 53 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:02,719 >> Nicole Berto, chief planning and 54 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:05,920 engagement officer for UTA. 55 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,640 >> Tiffany PCO, UDOT. 56 00:02:08,640 --> 00:02:10,560 >> Alan Perry, White City Mayor. I'm an 57 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,480 alternate. 58 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,400 >> Jason Brown, I'm the CEO of Envision 59 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,430 Utah. 60 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,920 » Byron Head, I'm on staff here at WFRC in 61 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:21,280 the community and economic development 62 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,760 group. 63 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,599 Sam Taylor, I'm a consultant planner 64 00:02:25,599 --> 00:02:28,560 with Landmark Design. 65 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,560 >> Marsha White, I'm in the community and 66 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,080 economic development um team as well. 67 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,920 >> Holly Pearson, director of planning and 68 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:39,200 transportation with Salt Lake County. 69 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,959 >> Cody Lutz, I'm a planner with Envision 70 00:02:40,959 --> 00:02:42,879 Utah. 71 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:44,959 >> Anna McIntyre, I'm the managing director 72 00:02:44,959 --> 00:02:47,040 of the Janet Quinny Lawson Institute for 73 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,080 Land, Water, and Air at Utah State. 74 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,599 >> Hi, I'm Haley Kurlin. I'm an 75 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:53,040 environmental planner with the Division 76 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,710 of Water Resources. 77 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,400 » I'm Adam Olsson, uh, community 78 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,949 development director with Midbell. 79 00:03:02,959 --> 00:03:04,800 » Jory Jonner, long-range planning group, 80 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,879 WFRC. 81 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:09,200 >> Miranda Jones Cox, government relations, 82 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,760 WFRC. 83 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,840 >> Hi, Tim Watkins, community planner with 84 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,159 Wasatch Front Regional Council. Uh 85 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:18,400 special guest is my father today 86 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,560 >> Richard 87 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,400 >> Paula Aguilera Community and Economic 88 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,959 Development WFRC 89 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:28,640 >> Joel Temple Long Range Planning WFRC 90 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,680 Van Wagon and WFRC staff 91 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,319 >> Bert Granberg the analytics group at 92 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:36,480 WFRC 93 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,760 >> Ren Erdman intern in the analyst group 94 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,720 uh WFRC 95 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,959 >> Sultani short range planning WFR RC 96 00:03:46,959 --> 00:03:48,879 John A. Nardone, communications manager 97 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:59,030 with WFRC. 98 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,640 » Great. Thank you. Andrea, would you go 99 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,400 through for us everyone who's online? 100 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,480 >> Uh, certainly. On the line today, I'm 101 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:05,760 going to read three of you and have you 102 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,599 introduce yourselves. Mayor Christy 103 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:09,840 Overson, 104 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,720 Council Member Kendall Thomas, and Mayor 105 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,079 Braden Mitchell. 106 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:18,400 Good morning, Mayor Christy Overson. 107 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,639 Good intentions to be there in person. I 108 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,800 think I have a council hangover from 109 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:32,230 last night, so I'm zooming today. 110 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:40,310 Council member Thomas 111 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,960 Kendall Thomas to County Council 112 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,720 representing the west side of the state 113 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,800 south of Morgan County. Thank you, 114 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,150 Commissioner. 115 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,000 » Mayor Mitchell. 116 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,680 >> Uh yeah, Mayor Braden Mitchell, 117 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,479 Riverdale City, Utah. 118 00:04:56,479 --> 00:04:58,800 And now, uh, Council Member Allison 119 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,720 Straoud and Katherryn Caner. 120 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,400 >> Uh, Council Member Allison Straoud, 121 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:09,189 Sandy City. 122 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:10,960 » Good morning, everyone. Katherine Caner, 123 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:12,639 Deputy Mayor Regional Operations. I'm 124 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:14,320 representing Mayor Jenny Wilson. I'm 125 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,600 actually in the parking garage and I 126 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,199 will be up shortly to be with y'all in 127 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:19,360 person. [laughter] 128 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,280 >> And, uh, Julie Bjornstead with WFRC. 129 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:24,720 And mayor, I'll also note we have 130 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,320 several members of the public attending 131 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,600 online as well. And Mayor Zultansky and 132 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,960 Commissioner Bolos who were trying to 133 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,000 get into the Zoom for their ability to 134 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,440 participate, but I wanted to acknowledge 135 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,080 their participation. Thanks. 136 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,240 >> Thank you so much. Once again, my name 137 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,479 is Don Ramsey. I'm the mayor of South 138 00:05:44,479 --> 00:05:46,560 Jordan City, a member of the regional 139 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,960 growth committee and uh filling in for 140 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,440 Chair TR uh because I chair the Wasach 141 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:52,880 Front Regional Council. So, welcome to 142 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,240 all of you and thank you for being here 143 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,479 with us. Okay, we have an action item. 144 00:05:56,479 --> 00:05:57,759 The minutes from the regional growth 145 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,400 committee meeting held March 19th, 2026 146 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,639 have been sent out in draft form. Has 147 00:06:02,639 --> 00:06:04,160 anyone had an opportunity to review 148 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,840 those? Hopefully, not anyone. Everyone 149 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:07,840 has had an opportunity to review those? 150 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:09,600 Anyone have any questions, comments, 151 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,039 amendments, or is there a motion to 152 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:15,990 approve those draft minutes? 153 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:16,960 » Motion to approve. 154 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,280 >> Thank you. We have a motion by Beth 155 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:21,199 Brook. Is there a second? Second from 156 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:23,039 Mayor Bradshaw. Any discussion to the 157 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:25,199 minutes? All right. Seeing none, all in 158 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:26,800 favor, please say I. 159 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,039 >> I. 160 00:06:29,039 --> 00:06:31,199 >> Any opposed? 161 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:33,680 Those minutes are approved. Thank you. 162 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:36,639 Okay. Uh before I open public comment, I 163 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:38,319 just want to extend a special welcome to 164 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:39,680 Richard. Richard, I don't know if 165 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,440 Watkins is your last name, but um Bert's 166 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,360 dad. Richard, we are very happy to have 167 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,280 you here. Thank you for joining us. We 168 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:48,800 welcome you and we appreciate you being 169 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,360 here and thanks for giving us Bert. 170 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,639 We're grateful for him too. Okay. Um 171 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:56,240 next up we have our public comment 172 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,720 period and this is when we are happy to 173 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,319 hear from anyone who has anything they'd 174 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:01,520 like to share with the regional growth 175 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,919 committee. Um anyone who'd like to speak 176 00:07:03,919 --> 00:07:06,000 will be welcome to come on up and to the 177 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,919 microphone give us your name. Tell us 178 00:07:07,919 --> 00:07:09,599 where you're from and everyone gets 179 00:07:09,599 --> 00:07:11,039 three minutes if there's anything you'd 180 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:12,319 like to share with the regional growth 181 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:25,510 committee. The time is now yours. 182 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Good morning everyone. Again, I'm Holly 183 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,360 Pearson with Salt Lake County and I just 184 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,199 wanted to invite everyone to the 185 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,280 county's regional solutions event which 186 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,000 is coming up on September 30th. Um it's 187 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,599 a regional event. It's intended for 188 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:39,440 planners and policy makers, elected 189 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,560 officials, practitioners. Um and it's 190 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,639 the county is convening this event as an 191 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:46,960 opportunity to come together and work on 192 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,599 a specific policy issue that is has a 193 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:51,840 lot of salience for local jurisdictions. 194 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,879 Um so this year our um theme is the 195 00:07:54,879 --> 00:07:56,800 topic of the event is finding middle 196 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,440 housing. And so it's a practical really 197 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,120 interactive workshop with practitioners. 198 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:02,479 It's focused on how to facilitate 199 00:08:02,479 --> 00:08:04,879 construction of middle housing. um 200 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:06,639 really understanding the barriers, the 201 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:08,720 market barriers, the regulatory barriers 202 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,319 um that deter this type of housing from 203 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:12,720 being built. Um so at our first regional 204 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,720 solutions event back in 2021, we had a 205 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,680 keynote speaker, Daniel Perole from uh 206 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,160 Optigos Design in Berkeley, California, 207 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,240 and he's the the founder of the missing 208 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,720 middle housing concept. So missing 209 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,000 middle housing is I'm sure you're all 210 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,440 familiar with it. It's not exactly 211 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,280 synonymous with moderate income housing, 212 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,919 but the two are very relevant, closely 213 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:34,320 related, and very synergistic. middle 214 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,719 housing. It refers more to the the 215 00:08:36,719 --> 00:08:38,479 physical form, the sort of the prototype 216 00:08:38,479 --> 00:08:40,479 of housing. But the reason it's 217 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:42,159 important is because this housing type 218 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:45,279 can fit better into smaller lots in 219 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:47,519 infill situations, better into the um 220 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:50,240 you know existing uh communities where 221 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,000 there's not a lot of density and um it 222 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,320 is more just naturally more affordable 223 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,480 by design. So it is really one of the 224 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:03,760 key ways that uh we can facilitate the development of moderate income 225 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,600 housing without needing any type of 226 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,080 subsidy. So um at at the regional 227 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,360 solutions event, we'll hear directly 228 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,480 from planners, developers, um financial 229 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,360 experts about market dynamics and um 230 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,800 what local leaders can do to kind of 231 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,399 work with these forces rather than 232 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:20,720 against them. So um again, it's uh 233 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,399 regional solutions. It's on September 234 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:24,320 30th, which is a Wednesday. It's from 235 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,240 11:00 a.m. to 4 pm and the um the 236 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 registration fee is $55. And our guests 237 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,519 will again be um from Opticost Design, 238 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:35,920 the the experts on metal housing and we 239 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,360 would love to have you all there. So if 240 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,440 you are interested um let me know. I can 241 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,160 text you or email you um a registration 242 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,760 link. Thank you so much, 243 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,240 >> Holly. Thank you. We appreciate it. And 244 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,240 >> quick note on that, mayor. We will 245 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,640 include that information uh as a 246 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,080 follow-up with the committee. 247 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:54,560 >> Great. 248 00:09:54,560 --> 00:09:56,000 >> We're also looking forward to being a 249 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,839 co-sponsor of the event as we usually 250 00:09:57,839 --> 00:10:00,080 are, Holly. So, thanks a lot. 251 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,680 >> Is there anyone else here that would 252 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:05,600 like to speak during public comment? 253 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,120 >> Okay, seeing none, we'll close public 254 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,240 comment and 255 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,040 >> just make sure 256 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,440 >> I see no hands raised nor questions 257 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,079 online. 258 00:10:14,079 --> 00:10:16,640 >> In the past, we have decided not to. 259 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:17,040 >> Okay. 260 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,240 >> But nobody's asking to. 261 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,480 >> Okay. All right. All right. We're going 262 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:21,839 to close the public comment period and 263 00:10:21,839 --> 00:10:24,399 move on to the chair report as the 264 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:26,720 substitute chair. Um [laughter] 265 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,680 my today for the report um I'm asking 266 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:31,279 the Wasatch Front Regional Council staff 267 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:32,959 to give us two brief updates. There's a 268 00:10:32,959 --> 00:10:35,440 lot of good work taking place. Uh the 269 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,120 first is the regional transportation 270 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,200 plan preferred scenario of projects. 271 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,120 Many of us have been engaged in this for 272 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,360 uh quite some time as we work to review 273 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,760 these draft project ideas for the RTP in 274 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,760 our workshops last fall. Right. 10 275 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,240 workshops held all across the the 276 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,240 region. Uh we appreciate everyone who 277 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,200 participated in those and WFRC recently 278 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,399 concluded a public comment period. Asked 279 00:10:58,399 --> 00:11:00,399 Jory Joner if he'll give us an update. 280 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:02,160 Uh Jory's the long range planning 281 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,000 manager give us an update on that. We 282 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,079 received a great number of comments, a 283 00:11:06,079 --> 00:11:07,680 lot of engagement on that. And then 284 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:09,519 after Jory, I've asked Julie Bjornstad, 285 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:11,040 who's online with us, to update us on 286 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,640 the criteria that will be used over the 287 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,360 coming months to phase or really to 288 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,399 prioritize these projects. And uh this 289 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:20,160 committee provided feedback onto the 290 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,480 criteria back in January. And so things 291 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,560 are moving along well. Bert or I'm 292 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:26,480 sorry, Jory, I'm now I've got Bert on my 293 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,480 brain. Jory, please take it away. 294 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,560 >> We're all Bert today. Um okay. 2027 to 295 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:36,720 2055 regional transportation plan. Um we 296 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,680 update and adopt a new plan every four 297 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:41,839 years. So we're about threearters of the 298 00:11:41,839 --> 00:11:44,320 way through. So uh we're going into year 299 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,240 four. Um there's no formal action from 300 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,680 the regional growth committee or the 301 00:11:49,680 --> 00:11:52,399 council until we adopt the plan in May 302 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:56,240 of 2027. But we do take uh significant 303 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,480 impact or input throughout the planning 304 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,519 process from uh as the mayor mentioned 305 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,360 uh workshops we do in the fall with our 306 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,720 local communities. We meet with uh over 307 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,440 20 regional and statewide local 308 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,920 stakeholders. Those stakeholders range 309 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,800 from the universities and colleges to 310 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,639 key landholders 311 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:19,760 uh Riotinto, Larry H. Miller, um 312 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,279 advocacy groups, um and a lot of other 313 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:26,800 uh agencies um transportation partners 314 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:31,600 uh that's UD do and UTA um through the four-year pro planning process. We 315 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,519 also work with our regional growth 316 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:35,360 technical advisory committees. So that's 317 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,519 your planners on the local communities 318 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:40,720 and the statewide the agencies and we 319 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,040 also um periodically come to the 320 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,519 regional growth committee for input um 321 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:48,000 and feedback on uh certain parts of our 322 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,440 process. Um so over the last uh couple 323 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,560 years we have a new um category of 324 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,120 projects called exploratory concepts. 325 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,720 We've uh done some strategic um testing 326 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:05,440 of all three modes um of the of the plan 327 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,200 and we've also um worked on trying to uh 328 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,959 on transportation and land use and how 329 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:12,480 they interact together with the Wasatch 330 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:13,680 Choice vision and the center 331 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:15,200 specifically. 332 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,079 Um and then just most recently uh we've 333 00:13:18,079 --> 00:13:21,040 drafted a preferred scenario um out to 334 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,760 2055. So this is what projects are 335 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,040 needed between now and 2055. 336 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,399 and and this is kind of just the first 337 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:32,959 um draft of the updated new plan. So, 338 00:13:32,959 --> 00:13:35,760 the last plan went to 2055 or 2050. This 339 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,399 new plan goes out an additional 5 years. 340 00:13:38,399 --> 00:13:41,600 Um with that, we just held a 30-day 341 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,760 public comment uh period that Mayor 342 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,480 Ramsey mentioned. Uh we received over 343 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,600 2600 comments. Most of those comments 344 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,480 came in opposition of the gondola um up 345 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,079 Little Cottonwood Canyon. We're not 346 00:13:54,079 --> 00:13:56,240 surprised. We heard a lot of feedback 347 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,079 three years ago when we adopted the plan 348 00:13:58,079 --> 00:14:01,040 and included the uh the little the 349 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,199 Little Cottonwood Canyon EIS projects 350 00:14:03,199 --> 00:14:05,680 within our transportation plan. We also 351 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:07,519 did get a significant amount of comments 352 00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:10,560 on uh the Rio Grand Plan and support for 353 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:14,480 it. Um and uh over the last 30 days or 354 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,040 so, we've been reviewing uh comments as 355 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,720 they as they've been coming in with our 356 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,160 transportation partners. So, we've been 357 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,560 meeting closely with UD do and UTA and 358 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,320 we've also reached out to local 359 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,160 communities um on projects um that fall 360 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,519 within uh the cities and counties. So, 361 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:33,680 with that, that's kind of a high level 362 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:41,279 overview. Again, we'll ask for action in May of 2027. Um offer up to Andrew if 363 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:42,560 you have anything more to say on the 364 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,079 comments and then we'll turn it over to 365 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:44,560 Julie. 366 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,720 >> Yeah, Mayor, may I make a brief comment? 367 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,240 Thank you. Yeah, Jory, thanks for the 368 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,320 highle update. We wanted to make sure 369 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,839 even though like Jory said, there's no 370 00:14:51,839 --> 00:14:53,440 action on the regional transportation 371 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,160 plan until 2027. That's the regular 372 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,160 cycle. We just wanted to give you an 373 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,440 update because the regional growth 374 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,360 committee shephardds the plan 375 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,279 development process along. Um, and as 376 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:07,040 Jory noted, even though there's no 377 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,079 action now, we're we are continuously 378 00:15:10,079 --> 00:15:12,079 having input and engagement from the 379 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:14,000 committee, from the communities, and 380 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,839 from the public. And we ask for and love 381 00:15:17,839 --> 00:15:21,040 getting input from the public. And we 382 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,680 got by our standards a lot of input as 383 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,959 Jury noted over 2,000 comments and a lot 384 00:15:26,959 --> 00:15:29,680 of folks who continue to say that Little 385 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,120 Cottonwood Canyon in particular is 386 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,199 really important to them and that they 387 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:35,680 are not supportive of a gondola being 388 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,600 constructed. And so I just wanted to 389 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:43,920 just briefly remind everybody the the regional transportation plan 390 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,720 includes when there is an environmental 391 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,079 impact study done, the full results of 392 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:51,600 that environmental impact study, which 393 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,519 is a federally established process, are 394 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:55,360 incorporated into the regional 395 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:56,959 transportation plan. That was the case 396 00:15:56,959 --> 00:16:00,880 in 2023. It remains the case now. And so 397 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,920 all the results of the UD doled EIS 398 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,639 process for Little Cottonwood Canyon are 399 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:08,880 pulled into and are in the regional 400 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,759 transportation plan. Um those are the 401 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:17,199 phased approach in the EIS and WFRC 402 00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:19,040 has already stated that we are 403 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,440 supportive of taking that phased 404 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,519 approach implementing and evaluating 405 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:25,600 phases one and two before moving on to 406 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,920 phase three. And you all remember phase 407 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,160 one is increasing bus service, tolling 408 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,680 in the canyons, mobility hubs so that 409 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,399 people have other options for accessing 410 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:40,720 the canyons. Um, so that's still the 411 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,800 case. The really great news, I think, is 412 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,399 uh, and I'm looking at Tiffany from UD 413 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:49,040 do here. The great news is the real 414 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,920 progress that's happening on phase one 415 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,839 that the state has identified some $350 416 00:16:55,839 --> 00:16:58,800 million for phase one investments in 417 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,920 little and big cottonwood canyons. Uh 418 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,439 that's targeted for completion in uh 419 00:17:05,439 --> 00:17:08,880 2028 for the ski season. And so I think 420 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,400 that all of us can be working together 421 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,160 to do everything we can to make that a 422 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:13,360 success. And I know there's a lot of 423 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:15,839 people in this room that care a lot 424 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:18,240 about that. um as well. So, it's just a 425 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,640 brief update on that just because we got 426 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,039 so much input and we've had really great 427 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:25,679 dialogue with a lot of stakeholders, the 428 00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:27,600 groups that are involved, Central Wasach 429 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,840 Commission, um and other people that 430 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,600 care a lot about this as do we. Thanks. 431 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,160 Yeah, Jory, do you have anything else or 432 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,320 do you want to turn to Julie? May it 433 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,280 >> over to to Julie um to talk about our 434 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:42,480 next steps, what we're going to do in 435 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,360 the next year. 436 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,280 >> Thanks so much. Oh, we have a question. 437 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,070 Yes. 438 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,440 Thank you, Madam Chair. It's not so much 439 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,760 a question as more of a statement. Um, 440 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,440 and I just since I'm here on behalf of 441 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:56,799 Salt Lake County, by the way, hello 442 00:17:56,799 --> 00:17:59,120 everyone in person. Nice to see you. Um, 443 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:01,280 Councilman Caner representing Deputy 444 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,240 Mayor, excuse me, representing Mayor 445 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Jenny Wilson. Um, Andre, I appreciate it 446 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,840 what you how you just laid out the 447 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:12,160 process and the time period with within 448 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,080 what you're in right now. Clearly, you 449 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,280 could argue it's it's premature to um 450 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,559 uh obviously try to pass this uh 451 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:24,559 regional plan. Um that's not going to 452 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:26,480 happen until 2027. It's my 453 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,760 understanding. Right. So, it would be 454 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,840 premature for probably any of us to take 455 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,000 a formal position on whether or not the 456 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 gondola should be in that plan or not. 457 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,000 But I just want to reiterate that Salt 458 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,600 Lake County, as everyone probably 459 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,280 recalls who was here 3 or four years 460 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,000 ago, um was very much opposed to the 461 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,640 gondola being in the in the plan. Um and 462 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,360 together with uh Mayor Zhansky and I 463 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:49,520 believe it was Mayor um Mendenhal, Mayor 464 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,960 Wilson um opposed having that language 465 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,280 in the plan. And that's still very 466 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:56,960 important. And I appreciate that you 467 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,520 mentioned it, the idea that phase one 468 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,200 needs to happen first. It needs to be 469 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,039 measured before phase two or phase three 470 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:04,559 would happen. So, I just wanted to 471 00:19:04,559 --> 00:19:06,160 articulate that since we are on the 472 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:07,440 record and I know there may be other 473 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,039 people in the room who share my 474 00:19:09,039 --> 00:19:10,880 thoughts. Um, but I appreciate the time 475 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:11,760 to say that. 476 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,640 >> Yeah, thanks for emphasizing that. 477 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:15,039 >> Thank you. 478 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,840 >> Can I can I edit something as well? 479 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:18,880 >> Yeah, mayor, please. 480 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,679 >> Okay. So, it's very important that phase 481 00:19:21,679 --> 00:19:27,200 one be adequate and work well. And it 482 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,280 now that I've had a little time in my 483 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,760 office as mayor of Cottonwood Heights, 484 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,799 the it is important that our city get a 485 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:36,960 ski bus priority lane on Wasuch 486 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,520 Boulevard headed south for this to work 487 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,760 for phase one to work. We need to have 488 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,720 that. So I will be engaging with you DOT 489 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,520 and anyone to see how we can have this 490 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,400 happen. Thank you. 491 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,320 >> Thank you. 492 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,760 Anyone else? Okay. Thank you. 493 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,200 Appreciate that, Jory. And we'll go 494 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,160 ahead and and turn if Julie's Julie's on 495 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,600 deck, we'll turn to Julie. 496 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,480 >> Okay, cool. So, yeah, our next step in 497 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,200 the RTP process is to sort um the 498 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,559 projects within the draft preferred 499 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:10,640 scenario into these 10-year phases. And 500 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,400 we do that through a two-step process. 501 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,720 Um first, we phase based on need and 502 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,400 then we phase based on anticipated 503 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,960 funding availability. So, I'll share my 504 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:25,270 screen for a second. 505 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:26,559 Sorry, this is taking longer than I 506 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:32,630 thought it would. Um, there we go. 507 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,520 Okay, so um, this phasing is guided by 508 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,760 the Wasatch Choice Vision Goals. Really 509 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,200 broadly, I wanted to give you an update 510 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,120 about how we're prioritizing each of 511 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,120 these goals. Um, as Mayor Ramsey 512 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:44,480 mentioned, you'll recall that in 513 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,480 January, we brought you draft phrasing 514 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,480 criteria and asked you for your feedback 515 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,640 and priorities. We've also sought 516 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,320 feedback and priorities about the 517 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,400 criteria 518 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,080 um from local planners on our technical 519 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,919 advisory committee. So these are local 520 00:20:57,919 --> 00:20:59,679 planners from our communities throughout 521 00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:02,320 the Wasatch Front. Um UD do UTA and the 522 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,960 active transportation committee. Um and 523 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,559 this what I'm showing you here is how 524 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:09,200 we're landing on these priorities um by 525 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,640 the goal and by mode. 526 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,200 More um detail about the actual criteria 527 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,799 and specific weights can be found on our 528 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:18,240 website. So, I won't walk through in 529 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,960 detail, but you can just see sort of um 530 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,280 kind of where we're landing. 531 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,039 And then I also wanted to say thank you 532 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,120 to all of you and to all of our partners 533 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:28,400 um for thinking through this process 534 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,240 with us um and providing really 535 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,919 thoughtful feedback. Um we've made a 536 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:33,679 number of changes based on on that 537 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:36,640 feedback that we've received. Um so 538 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,919 after we phase projects using these 539 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:43,440 goals and these weights um we will bring 540 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,080 you the results of the that phasing at 541 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,880 this fall's workshops. Um we will then 542 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,880 measure the the performance of the plan 543 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,320 based on regional and federal 544 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,640 performance measures. Um we are required 545 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,760 to also complete an air quality 546 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,159 conformity determination and then um 547 00:21:58,159 --> 00:22:00,000 we'll work to finalize the documentation 548 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,880 of the plan and um a targeted adoption 549 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,360 date of next May. So May of 2027. So, 550 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:06,559 there's a lot of work to be done over 551 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,640 the next year. Um, but we look forward 552 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,640 to um walking you guys through the 553 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,000 process and then meeting with you back 554 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,320 at this fall's workshops. 555 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,400 And that's um all I wanted to update you 556 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,000 guys on Mayor Ramsey. 557 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,120 >> Thank you. Thank you so much. Cool, 558 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,600 Julie. That's cool. [laughter] That was 559 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,799 great. I love that. On the wrong side. 560 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:30,080 No, thank you so much for all the work 561 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,720 on this. We appreciate it. and um a lot 562 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,880 of good work taking place in a in a very 563 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,200 public process. We appreciate it and 564 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,320 thanks for the comments that have been 565 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,159 shared as well. Please Nicole, 566 00:22:42,159 --> 00:22:44,000 >> thank you and thank you Julie for 567 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000 recognizing the work we do together. I 568 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,400 just want to um let everyone know that 569 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,760 UTA is in the same process with their uh 570 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,840 regional transit uh planet long range 571 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,679 planning and so we'll be working with 572 00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:00,000 your communities along with WFRC to get 573 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,039 that feedback regarding our long-term 574 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,400 and short-term transit plan. So, uh 575 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,000 we'll get you more information about 576 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,240 that and u the outreach we'll be doing 577 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,919 over the next year. So, thank you, 578 00:23:11,919 --> 00:23:12,400 Mayor. 579 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,400 >> Thank you so much. 580 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,159 >> Anyone else? 581 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:18,480 Okay, thank you. All right, for our next 582 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,520 update, um, in the last couple of days, 583 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:22,880 the first draft of the federal 584 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,039 transportation authorization bill was 585 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:27,360 released. And one thing I love so much 586 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,840 about Miranda is how she's so on top of 587 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,440 things that when she sent a text Monday 588 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,520 and said, I'm sure you probably saw 589 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,799 yesterday that the 1,05 page 590 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:40,720 transportation reauthorization was 591 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,240 released yesterday on Sunday. And I 592 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,320 thought, I did not see that. I did. I 593 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,159 was not watching for that to come out 594 00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:48,880 today and I love that you knew and sent 595 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,799 it right out and Monday morning here we 596 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:52,240 are and you probably already saw and I 597 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,039 thought I had not already seen and so I 598 00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:56,880 so appreciate that. That was that was 599 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,720 great and we are in very good hands my 600 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,320 friends. We have good folks here keeping 601 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,720 up on all the things and Miranda is one 602 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,320 of those. She does such a good job as 603 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,600 government affairs manager and she's 604 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,120 here to give us a brief update on that 605 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:10,000 thous05 page. It's a big deal and it's 606 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,080 great to have that at least finally 607 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,360 released. things are a little bit behind 608 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:15,279 schedule for them uh back there with 609 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:16,559 that, but we're going to turn to Miranda 610 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:17,360 for an update. 611 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:18,960 >> Yeah, thank you, mayor. I suppose some 612 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,640 of us have better things to do with our 613 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,440 time than waiting for for these bills to 614 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,320 drop. So, uh well, I appreciate that. 615 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,600 Appreciate the opportunity to share a 616 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,120 little bit about what is happening back 617 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:30,799 in Congress right now. I usually get to 618 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:32,640 talk about what's happening up on our 619 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,600 Utah uh Capitol Hill. Um, but like Mayor 620 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,080 Ramsey mentioned, the surface 621 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,720 transportation reauthorization bill has 622 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,240 been released by the House 623 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,080 Transportation and Infrastructure 624 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,720 Committee. Um, this isn't going to be 625 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,880 the final bill. This is one piece of a 626 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,320 much larger puzzle. The Senate also has 627 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,720 uh will have versions of the bill that 628 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,080 they'll be releasing. And like Mayor 629 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,679 Ramsey mentioned, they're a bit further 630 00:24:57,679 --> 00:24:59,600 behind than the House is on releasing 631 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,919 this. So, as a reminder of what the 632 00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:08,559 surface transportation authorization is, that it's a five-year funding bill uh 633 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,720 bill that authorizes funding and 634 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,279 programs for transportation 635 00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:15,679 uh programs nationwide. So, the programs 636 00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:19,120 that WFRC has, that our partners at UDOT 637 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,679 and UTA have as well, the funding and 638 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:24,159 programs uh are funneled through that 639 00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:28,799 bill. Um, for the past several years or 640 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,400 I'd say maybe year, year and a half, 641 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,000 we've been working really closely with 642 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,240 our our transportation partners at U.UTA 643 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,320 UTA or other metropolitan planning 644 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,799 organizations uh to work with our 645 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,760 congressional delegation in uh messaging 646 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,120 to them what Utah's top priorities are 647 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:46,559 regarding transportation 648 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,799 reauthorization, what funding is 649 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,320 important and critical for us to 650 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,799 continue um and what we'd like to see in 651 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,600 this next 5-year reauthorization bill. 652 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,240 Um, and so we worked really closely with 653 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,919 all of our members of Congress, but 654 00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:02,400 specifically with the members that have 655 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,640 authority uh on these committees, 656 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,799 including Representative, sorry, 657 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:09,120 Congressman uh Mike Kennedy, Burgess 658 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:12,640 Owens, uh, and Senator Curtis for um for 659 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,480 their roles that they play. So, the 660 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,120 House TNI committee are actually right 661 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,080 now marking up the reauthorization bill 662 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,000 as we speak. They'll be offering 663 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000 amendments this morning. We anticipate 664 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,360 some of that, but I just wanted to 665 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:28,080 highlight a few key things in the bill 666 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,360 that we think is relevant to WFRC and to 667 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,720 Utah. Uh some of those key takeaways is 668 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,120 one the and it's called the Build 669 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:39,760 America 250 Act. That's what House TNI 670 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,320 has named this their uh reauthorization 671 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,360 bill. It uh prioritizes traditional 672 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,320 highway and bridge infrastructure uh and 673 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,960 it actually continues uh some of the 674 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,279 bridge formula funding that we saw from 675 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,120 the infrastructure investment and jobs 676 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,679 act. So uh additional significant 677 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:00,960 funding going to uh bridges with a 678 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,640 requirement that a portion of those 679 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,159 funds go to uh local bridges 680 00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:07,520 uh which is important for our local 681 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,679 governments. Uh unlike the 682 00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:11,360 infrastructure investment and jobs act, 683 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,600 the bill prioritizes federal funds 684 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,720 coming through formula funding. So not 685 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,120 uh not primarily through discretionary 686 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,039 grant programs. That tends to be the 687 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,640 case, but the infrastructure investment 688 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,880 and jobs act did see a lot of 689 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,440 discretionary grant programs that I I 690 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,120 assume and hope many of you have been 691 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,880 competing for over these last several 692 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,080 years. Uh overall, the funding and the 693 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,080 structure in the bill is largely status 694 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,880 quo. uh the programs that are important 695 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,120 to WFRC to some of our transportation 696 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,760 partners. We want to continue to see 697 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,840 funding going to those programs. We are 698 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,360 seeing that um with uh with some you 699 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,360 know minimal increases in some of those 700 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,159 programs. For example, the metropolitan 701 00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:57,919 planning uh funding program. This is our 702 00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:00,880 core program at WFRC and was our top 703 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,520 priority at WFRC was increasing the 704 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,159 funding for this program. We saw a 705 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,760 modest increase of about 9% um you know 706 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,520 potentially and hopefully we'll see that 707 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,880 uh increase moving forward. Uh surface 708 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,960 transportation block grant program which 709 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,559 provides funding for local 710 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,679 transportation projects uh continues to 711 00:28:21,679 --> 00:28:24,559 move forward with a slight increase. Um 712 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:26,799 the safe streets and roads for all grant 713 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:29,120 program which provides funding for local 714 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,279 safety projects and planning for local 715 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:34,399 projects uh is a grant program that was 716 00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:37,039 identified in IIGJA that will continue 717 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,720 under this pro proposal. Um and then a 718 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,320 few other things I want to highlight. It 719 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,279 extends uh the eligibility for a uh 720 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,039 Olympic and World Cup uh grant program. 721 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:52,159 uh before with the initial uh proposal 722 00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,399 for that, Utah wouldn't have been 723 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,880 eligible for 2034, but in under this 724 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,559 bill, Utah would be an eligible 725 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,200 recipient of those grants. Uh and then 726 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,279 lastly, and this one is near and dear to 727 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:06,159 Mayor Ramsey's heart, um we're hoping uh 728 00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:08,080 we're anticipating that an amendment 729 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,799 will be added to today uh in the 730 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:12,960 committee markup uh that will make some 731 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,120 changes to the capital investment grant 732 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,559 program which provides uh transit uh 733 00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,279 grants, transit funding. Um, and the 734 00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,720 amendment would allow for local uh would 735 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,480 allow for fast growing areas to uh like 736 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,480 southwest Salt Lake County, like other 737 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,720 areas in Utah to com to be a little bit 738 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,200 more competitive in the grant program. 739 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,840 um because of the way the the current 740 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,559 formula is structured to prioritize 741 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,080 existing 742 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,480 uh transit ridership as opposed to 743 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,559 anticipated or growth in ridership 744 00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,159 because of um because of uh population 745 00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:52,559 growth. So, we're excited to to 746 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,440 hopefully see that included today. I'd 747 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,600 say overall this is really positive news 748 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,240 that we're seeing language released. Uh 749 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,840 this is uh like I mentioned maybe you 750 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,760 know one of the first steps in actually 751 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,559 getting to a past reauthorization. We're 752 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:10,480 likely not to see it reauthorized on 753 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,559 time when the bill expires in October of 754 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:14,480 this year just because the Senate is 755 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,159 moving quite a bit slower than the House 756 00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:17,919 is on this. But there's still 757 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:19,919 opportunities for negotiations moving 758 00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:21,679 forward both with our congressional 759 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:24,159 delegation um and amongst uh 760 00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:25,919 congressional committees and our 761 00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:28,480 national association. So, uh, appreciate 762 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,640 the opportunity to share that. Uh, lots 763 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,640 more to come over the next several 764 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,960 months. So, thank you, Mayor 765 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,840 >> Miranda. Thank you. Please go ahead. 766 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,799 >> Thank [clears throat] you so much, uh, 767 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,120 Madam Chair. Um, um, in addition to 768 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,120 being a board member for Utah Transit 769 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,919 Authority, I'm also the APTA, American 770 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:49,520 Public Transportation Association 771 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,760 legislative chair. So nationwide, this 772 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,559 is a large large issue, obviously a key 773 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,559 funding strategy that we want to 774 00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,399 continue to be investing in and and 775 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:00,240 thank you Miranda for doing that um 776 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,399 presentation. This is still obviously an 777 00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:04,399 ongoing negotiable uh strategy for the 778 00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:07,440 build America 250. And um one of the 779 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,200 things one of the number one things that 780 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,520 I just want to emphasize that as a 781 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,360 transit agencies across the country 782 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,159 looking at this, the key thing is the 783 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:20,480 funding. Um the request for CIG funding 784 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,880 is going to continue on and the goal is 785 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,960 to get that public transit to become 138 786 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,880 billion over the next five years. And 787 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,799 that's this this whole build America is 788 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,880 a five-year um uh program and then 130 789 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,960 billion in rail. Now obviously both of 790 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,960 those are are very um potentially 791 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,279 valuable for UTA um and the state of 792 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:44,320 Utah. And um I was just asked a question 793 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,960 from Mayor Bradshaw about uh the 794 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,200 projects that we also have ongoing. So 795 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,440 just for context, all transit um 796 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,840 projects are a competitive grant process 797 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,320 and that's why the funding is so key um 798 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,960 in order to be able to get funding for 799 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,640 our projects. For instance, the Davis 800 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,519 Salt Lake connector, the goal is to get 801 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,640 the CIG program to be funded at that 802 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,159 same level that I just told you about. 803 00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:09,840 So public transit that would that's 804 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,679 where the Davis Salt Lake connector 805 00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:13,039 would come from and that competitive 806 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,000 grant process is 138 billion across the 807 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,440 country. So we compete um as transit 808 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,760 agencies for that funding. So this is 809 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,600 our number one goal um and as I don't 810 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,519 know if this is really all all out there 811 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,679 but um Davis Salt Lake Connector 812 00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:31,679 actually rated as a medium high which is 813 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:34,000 almost the highest gold standard you can 814 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,640 get. So, we know how critical it is and 815 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,559 this is all part of the strategy and the 816 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:39,760 discussion that we're doing on a 817 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,360 nationwide basis. Um, and we want to be 818 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,440 as supportive and collaborative as we 819 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,919 can be with all of our other priorities, 820 00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:50,960 but knowing that the whole entity, all 821 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,240 of us in the state of Utah are looking 822 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,919 forward to getting this moving forward 823 00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,440 is a great first step. So, I just want 824 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,559 to thank you for that. 825 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,760 >> Thank you so much. Um, I appreciate your 826 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,399 role that you have, Beth, on APTA. uh as 827 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:07,600 legislative chair um you know apta I was 828 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,120 looking at apta this morning after the 829 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,399 news came out that you know about this uh potential amendment to the CI 830 00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:15,919 and a lot of work's been done to try to 831 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:17,200 reach the point where we could get that 832 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,120 language amendment I mean maybe someday 833 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,640 across the finish line and get that 834 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,679 added into federal statute because this 835 00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,039 I've been doing this long enough now 836 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,039 that it took a few years before I really 837 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,679 figured out we will never be able to be 838 00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:33,519 competitive enough to qualify for any of 839 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,760 that money. That's the problem. It it we 840 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,120 have to get to the heart of where it's 841 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,720 at. And the heart of where it at it's at 842 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,039 is this language being able to expand 843 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,320 the language to allow for fast growing 844 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,320 communities who don't already have the 845 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,640 full population and the full wrership 846 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,480 because they don't have anything to 847 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,799 ride. Uh being able to expand that 848 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,480 language to include us here in the west 849 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,799 in fast growing areas has been key. And 850 00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:58,080 it's been a lot of work by a lot of 851 00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,600 people the last couple years to try to 852 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,360 get there. But um appreciate 853 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,120 your work, all the work from everyone 854 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,720 from Utah and uh Congressman Owens and 855 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:11,440 his team and and a bipartisan coalition 856 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,359 that they've worked to create back in 857 00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:15,599 Washington. Uh because this doesn't just 858 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:17,280 impact Utah and it doesn't just impact 859 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,599 my part of the state of Utah. This 860 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,440 there's a lot of the West that this 861 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,879 could really benefit and not just the 862 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:24,480 West, other areas in the country are 863 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,320 growing as well that would not be as 864 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,560 competitive. So just recognizing that 865 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,960 APA's mission is to expand opportunities 866 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,760 and connections across communities and 867 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,639 to support policies that promote funding 868 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,560 to do so. I appreciate that that today 869 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,520 was big news, a great first step. Well, 870 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,919 a huge step. There's been a million 871 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:47,599 steps, but a big first step to um maybe 872 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,679 get getting this there and giving us a 873 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,639 fighting chance to to be able to be more 874 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:54,960 competitive in this grant process so 875 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,280 that maybe maybe we can start to receive 876 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,000 some federal money to expand transit to 877 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400 other areas north and south from where 878 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,760 we have it right now. It's a big deal 879 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,119 for the state of Utah and we'll keep 880 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:06,320 working on it. Everybody will keep 881 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,320 working on it. So, thank you. 882 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,160 >> Mayor, can I add briefly? Some of you 883 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,359 are probably thinking, "Wait a second, 884 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:16,000 didn't Utah get federal transit money? 885 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,560 Why is this an issue?" And the answer is 886 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,680 yes. Nicole's nodding. Yes, Utah did 887 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,640 receive significant federal dollars for 888 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,839 the buildout of the current rail transit 889 00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:31,280 system. But that was before the rules 890 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,160 were changed. Several years ago, the 891 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,880 policy was modified to disfavor fast 892 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,640 growing areas that have relatively less 893 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,560 existing service and to favor areas that 894 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,760 have existing service in corridors. And 895 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,560 so what we're talking about here is a 896 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,920 modification to the formulas that gives 897 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,200 us again as a fast growing community and 898 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,359 communities the ability to better 899 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:02,320 compete. The other thing I'll just note, 900 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,000 this is a big bill. There's a lot of 901 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,599 money proposed in it, but the revenue 902 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:11,760 picture has not been fixed in Congress. 903 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,720 This uh the the gas tax, which is the 904 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,320 principal source of revenue for federal 905 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,720 transportation spending, does not come 906 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:21,440 close to covering the actual spending 907 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,480 levels. Why is that? Because the federal 908 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,720 gas tax, Okay, this is a pop quiz. Let's 909 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,560 see if anybody can answer this question. 910 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,800 When was the last time the current 911 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,599 federal gas tax, which is 18.4 cents per 912 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:39,359 gallon, was increased? Anybody? Anybody? 913 00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:44,720 19. Close. Close enough. Byron. 1993 914 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,560 was the last time, and I don't remember 915 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,119 what the average price of a vehicle was 916 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:53,440 in 1993, but it was a lot less. So, we 917 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,280 have fallen behind. This bill doesn't 918 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,359 really address that. It does some modest 919 00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:59,599 things. Um so this is a big issue to 920 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,520 tackle as well but uh positive 921 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,280 development for today on this long 922 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,880 journey. 923 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,480 >> Thank you. And it is a long journey and 924 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,760 it this base draft is a thousand5 pages. 925 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,040 This is an amendment that we're even 926 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,640 talking about just this there's I mean 927 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,000 there's a lot to it a lot of 928 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,680 stakeholders and everyone cares about 929 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,359 different things. So there's a lot of 930 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:20,320 work to be done but uh good progress 931 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,200 that uh we weren't even sure we'd reach 932 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,760 this point. uh and if not it'd be 933 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,520 several years before we could even try 934 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,320 again. So very happy about this and 935 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,760 we'll keep working on it. So thank you 936 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,359 to everyone working on it. Okay. Um we 937 00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:37,920 love certifying station area plans and 938 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,400 working on the process to get us there. 939 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,160 So as part of our station area planning 940 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,280 program, we'll now consider 941 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,040 certification of Midvail's portion of 942 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,359 the historic Sandy Track Station. We are 943 00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:48,880 grateful to have Adam Olsen here, 944 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,960 community director development, excuse 945 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,640 me, community development director from 946 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,720 Midvil joining us. First, I'm going to 947 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,560 turn to Byron Head with WFRC to 948 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,400 introduce this item. 949 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,200 >> Mayor, and good morning everyone. Um, as 950 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,359 said, we we have a a short item today, 951 00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:07,440 just one station area. Um, a brief 952 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,880 refresher on the kind of what stationary 953 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,800 planning is. This is required for all 954 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,440 jurisdictions that have a portion of the 955 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,200 half mile or quarter mile radius around 956 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,200 a station area, half mile if it's a 957 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,119 train, quarter mile if it's a bus rapid 958 00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,440 transit. And these plans need to address 959 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,040 things like housing, environmental 960 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,359 conditions, um access to opportunities, 961 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:31,040 and transportation choices. Um we have 962 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,280 already made a lot of progress uh 963 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,240 together as as a group uh the past two 964 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,440 or three years now. Um, and I taken a 965 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,119 little bit of a liberty here in 966 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,119 celebrating preemptively that if we 967 00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:44,880 certify this uh today and next week, 968 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,079 we'll hit the 100 mark out of our 127 uh 969 00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:51,440 station areas. Um, 970 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,359 and uh to go along with that, again, 971 00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:55,440 celebrating our our work to date, we've 972 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,200 certified plans that would support over 973 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,400 100,000 over 108,000 new homes uh all 974 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,560 across the Wasatch Front from from Ogden 975 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,599 all the way down to Provo. Um, and then 976 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:08,240 one more new bit of news, um, kind of 977 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,079 the another fruit of the labor that's 978 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,240 been born here is the, um, regional 979 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,640 infrastructure accelerator program award 980 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,359 that we got from the US DOT. We just 981 00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:18,720 found out a couple weeks ago, it's still 982 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,320 very early stages, but basically, this 983 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:24,880 is a a award to help identify projects 984 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,720 that are ready that just need a little 985 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,800 help with financing. Uh, this is really 986 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,920 Meg Pageants's um, she did all the the 987 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,119 work on this. Unfortunately, she's not 988 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,040 here. Are you about to say Meg Pageant's 989 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,400 baby? This is me Pad's baby. 990 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,400 >> This is Meg Pageant's baby. Yes. No, she 991 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,079 is not with us today because she has 992 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:41,599 welcomed a new baby into her family. So, 993 00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:41,839 we're 994 00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:43,599 >> a literal baby. 995 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:45,760 >> This is her figurative federal baby. 996 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,079 Yes. 997 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:50,710 >> They are both named Ria. [laughter] 998 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,560 » For the record, Meg's literal baby is 999 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,707 named Satie, just for the record. Okay. 1000 00:39:54,707 --> 00:39:55,040 >> [laughter] 1001 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,040 >> Yeah. 1002 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,000 >> Um so that we'll be working on getting 1003 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240 that grant agreement um finalized and 1004 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,160 then working on the grant project itself 1005 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,079 uh in the coming months. But um just 1006 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:07,760 wanted to let everyone know about that 1007 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,480 and uh how excited we are to be moving 1008 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,720 forward with some implementation coming 1009 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,160 from all this planning that we've been 1010 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,240 doing. Now uh the order of the day um 1011 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,079 Midvail's portion of the historic Sandy 1012 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,680 track station. Sandy uh has had their 1013 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,359 portion of this certified uh at the 1014 00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:28,240 beginning of last year. Um this portion 1015 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,160 is just, you know, a couple acres on the 1016 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,520 wrong side of State Street from the 1017 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,560 train. Um but I'll now invite Adam up to 1018 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,839 the the podium to say a few words about 1019 00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:44,390 this resolution of impracticability. 1020 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,160 » Thank you for having me today. Uh we 1021 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,680 took this to our council a few weeks 1022 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,000 ago. Um, this is just a very tiny 1023 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,839 portion of Midvail, just west of State 1024 00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:53,760 Street. I believe it encompasses maybe 1025 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,319 three parcels and a portion of a fourth. 1026 00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:58,400 Um, so the council passed a resolution 1027 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,480 of impracticability just because of the 1028 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,680 location. Um, and just it was such a 1029 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,720 tiny portion of the radius. Um, and so 1030 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,280 if this is approved here, um, then we 1031 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,240 will have, um, all of our station areas 1032 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,319 will have been certified or approved in 1033 00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:17,280 Midville. um if this area does 1034 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,680 redevelop, it is within our area of 1035 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,920 mixed use and so we do anticipate one 1036 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,160 day uh whether it's commercial or higher 1037 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,000 density residential when if and when 1038 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,680 this does redevelop. But again, thank 1039 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,280 you for your consideration today. 1040 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,640 >> Thanks, Adam. Uh so WFRC staff has 1041 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,000 reviewed the materials submitted by 1042 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,560 Midvail and and collabor uh consult 1043 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,040 consulted, that's the word, with UTA uh 1044 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,280 and put forth a positive recommendation 1045 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,440 to to the council. We have a suggested 1046 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,359 motion on screen for you. All the 1047 00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:48,960 information is in your meeting packets. 1048 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,880 So, I'll now turn it back to the chair. 1049 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,920 >> Byron, thank you so much. Okay. Um, 1050 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,440 thank you to Midvil for all the work 1051 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,040 that you've done on this and Byron and 1052 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,200 team, everybody here. Um, is there a 1053 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:04,630 motion on this station area? 1054 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,200 » I'm so excited to make this motion. I um 1055 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,200 I move to recommend certification of the 1056 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,839 Midval Historic Sandy Tracks Resolution 1057 00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:14,400 of Impracticability to the Wasatch Front 1058 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,920 Regional Council. 1059 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,400 >> Thank you. Is there a second? 1060 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,359 >> Second. 1061 00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:22,560 >> Was that Mayor Overson? 1062 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:23,839 >> Mayor Overson. 1063 00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:25,920 >> Thank you very much. Okay, we have a 1064 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,520 motion and a second on this. Is there 1065 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,079 any discussion to it? 1066 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,040 Okay, seeing none, all in favor of uh 1067 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,240 recommending certification of the 1068 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,319 Midbell Historic Sandy Tracks resolution 1069 00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:38,720 of impracticability to the Wasatch Front 1070 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:40,960 Regional Council, please say I. 1071 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,960 >> I 1072 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,040 opposed. 1073 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,119 Great. Thank you. That passes and that 1074 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,839 will move next week uh to it will come 1075 00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:52,960 before us as a full council body next 1076 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,520 week um and hopefully be certified. 1077 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,160 Thank you. 1078 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,839 All right. Next, uh we're going to have 1079 00:43:01,839 --> 00:43:05,280 a discussion uh and and it's a a 1080 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,480 discussion I'm glad that we're going to 1081 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,880 have here. It's one that I've never been 1082 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,200 part of at this kind of discussion here 1083 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,119 and lots of other places around the 1084 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,040 state and around the region, but but not 1085 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,119 here at Wasatch Front Regional Council 1086 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,119 at our regional growth committee. We're 1087 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:20,880 going to talk about the realities of our 1088 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,119 water scarcity, what's going on. And you 1089 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:25,520 know, we've got um we've got really good 1090 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,319 people here who who uh work hard on on 1091 00:43:28,319 --> 00:43:30,640 land use and transportation and transit 1092 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,800 and and that intersection and how it 1093 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,560 intersects with economic development and 1094 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,079 water is a factor that many of us also 1095 00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,720 are always have to we're always working 1096 00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:42,480 on it. We're always considering it. It's 1097 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,160 always a reality, but um it's not always 1098 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,319 discussed in concert with everything 1099 00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:50,000 else. And so I'm really grateful to have 1100 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,839 the opportunity to have this discussion. 1101 00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:53,520 Um during our March meeting, this 1102 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,280 committee recognized water as a vital 1103 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,200 regional priority for the regional 1104 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,000 growth committee committee to consider. 1105 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,560 And uh as we continue to navigate our 1106 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,160 severe and historic drought, which the 1107 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,240 governor today, just while we've been in 1108 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,960 this meeting, made a a declaration, an 1109 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,520 emergency declaration, drought 1110 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,560 declaration. Um there's there's a lot 1111 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,720 happening as we speak quite literally 1112 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:20,079 right now about this. And and this isn't 1113 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,560 a this isn't a political issue. This 1114 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,400 isn't a partisan issue. This is reality. 1115 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,599 This is our lives. This is whether or 1116 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:26,800 not we have enough water. And I'm glad 1117 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,119 we get to talk about it today. Um while 1118 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:31,040 agricultural consumption represents a 1119 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,640 large share the largest share of Utah's 1120 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,079 water use, the regional growth committee 1121 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:35,599 and the Wasatch Front Regional Council 1122 00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:37,200 are focused on urban growth and 1123 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,040 development patterns which impact water 1124 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,640 consumption. That's where we focus. But 1125 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,160 keeping in mind though that we've got a 1126 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,880 large portion of our region here that 1127 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,280 also has you know agricultural 1128 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,079 agriculture use in it. So this isn't 1129 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,800 this is an intersection that we all um 1130 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,960 live at right that we all work on. So 1131 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,800 today we're going to have a conversation 1132 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,240 that we're going to discuss the needs of 1133 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:01,760 local government in addressing water 1134 00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,640 scarcity and our potential shared 1135 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,920 responses. Um we have some folks here to 1136 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,520 share a few thoughts with us to kind of 1137 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,599 seed the conversation and we've got some 1138 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,800 water experts attending and so 1139 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,400 um 1140 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,520 I don't know that I'm going to read off 1141 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,440 all these names. Yeah, probably not. But 1142 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,359 we'll turn to them and and also as a 1143 00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:22,800 trustee for the Jordan Valley Water 1144 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,480 Conservancy District. I've I've done 1145 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,000 that for the last six years and I served 1146 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,520 four years on the state of Utah drinking 1147 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,520 water board. I'm in my seventh year on 1148 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,560 the um Jordan Valley Water as a trustee. 1149 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,000 Um just just a few thoughts. I have gone 1150 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,400 from meetings uh when I served in the 1151 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,680 role that Mayor Bradshaw's in as 1152 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,119 president of the Utilago cities and 1153 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,119 towns. come here and now it's my 1154 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:48,560 opportunity to chair the regional 1155 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,400 council and then I go to my water 1156 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,560 district meetings as a trustee and the 1157 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,640 conversations about growth about housing 1158 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,480 about transportation about our needs are 1159 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,160 very real. I come from the legislature 1160 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,079 up at the capital during their session 1161 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,800 as they're working and I I've spent a 1162 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,400 million hours in these meetings about 1163 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,800 these things. And then I go to my water 1164 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,440 district meetings and we have this 1165 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,839 reality about water that it just is is 1166 00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:16,000 not always considered at the policy 1167 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,760 levels. We're talking about land use and 1168 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,280 housing and transportation and all of 1169 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,119 it. And those of us that this is what we 1170 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:24,480 do, we face that all the time. It's felt 1171 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,400 like there's been a bit of a disconnect 1172 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,560 in that conversation. And so bringing 1173 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,400 the water discussion here to the 1174 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,240 regional growth committee here at the 1175 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,680 Wasetfront Regional Council is great. It 1176 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,599 is great. It's and it's timely. It is 1177 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:38,960 time that we make sure that we're having 1178 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,000 these discussions and and collaborating 1179 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,960 together including water in our 1180 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,720 consideration of our land use and 1181 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,800 things. It's something we have to do, 1182 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,640 but it's something that we get strong 1183 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,839 policy proposals about one and about the 1184 00:46:55,839 --> 00:46:57,680 other, but there's not always a marriage 1185 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,359 of consideration between well, there's 1186 00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:00,880 rarely a marriage of consideration 1187 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,160 between the two. I'm going to go that 1188 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,800 far. And so, I was thrilled that we get 1189 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,720 to have this conversation and and we'll 1190 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:08,160 talk about it because it really is a 1191 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:09,599 challenge. It's a challenge that we at 1192 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,119 the local level face. It's a challenge 1193 00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,119 that we all face, but it's it's 1194 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:14,720 something that comes down to it and our 1195 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,880 public our residents come in and say, 1196 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,720 "How are we going to do that if we don't 1197 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,640 have this? Are you thinking about that?" 1198 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,359 We are thinking about that. It's time 1199 00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:24,800 for us to have that conversation here 1200 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,400 and so I appreciate the chance to do it. 1201 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,760 We're going to turn to Ted Nolton who's 1202 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,200 our deputy director here at Wasatch 1203 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,359 Front Regional Council to discide 1204 00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:33,280 discuss um he's going to guide this 1205 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,640 discussion to explore these critical 1206 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,190 water issues for us. So Ted. 1207 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,720 » Cool. Okay, mayor. Thank you so much. I 1208 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,880 appreciate that and I'm really excited 1209 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,640 about this uh conversation. Um I am not 1210 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:53,040 a water expert. Uh WFRC is not does not 1211 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,240 have deep expertise in water, but this 1212 00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:59,119 is the quality of life issue that our 1213 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,040 communities are facing and you want to 1214 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,359 explore this as a council and I love 1215 00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:06,480 that and it is consistent with WFRC's 1216 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,040 role to do this. If you look over there 1217 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:13,920 on my right, you'll see at the bottom it lists some of our roles. One of them 1218 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,599 is a convenor. Uh and so let's convene. 1219 00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:20,880 Let's talk about how we uh can address 1220 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,359 these things. The mayor talked about 1221 00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:26,400 this basic notion that we're focusing on 1222 00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,880 not the totality of water use, but the 1223 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,319 urban water use, which is 25%. 1224 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:34,559 I guess the good news though is we do 1225 00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,839 have a lot of control together uh on 1226 00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:41,359 addressing that uh 25%. And so let's uh 1227 00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:43,359 roll up our sleeves here a little bit. 1228 00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:45,680 Um we'll come back to these questions, 1229 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,440 but I wanted to just put them in front 1230 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,559 of you. So so to preview them, okay? Uh 1231 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,800 one question that we could start with is 1232 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,200 what critical needs must be met to 1233 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,839 reduce urban area water use. You know, 1234 00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:03,440 it could be tools, resources, 1235 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,839 um 1236 00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:08,319 things to help us reach out to our 1237 00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:11,040 publics in our communities. Could be 1238 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,640 things like funding for secondary 1239 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,440 metering. Really, let's discuss. And 1240 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,920 then are there shared responses that we 1241 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,720 want to explore together? uh and you can 1242 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,800 see some options that are up there, but 1243 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,319 really um this is your discussion, but 1244 00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:27,760 here's a couple of questions that we 1245 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,160 could start with. Now, to seed the 1246 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,640 conversation, we're going to do 1247 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,640 lightning presentations. Lightning and 1248 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,160 water. What could possibly go wrong? 1249 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,480 Very short. So, we're aiming for five 1250 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,119 minutes uh on each of these to leave us 1251 00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:46,319 with about 25 minutes hopefully to 1252 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,800 discuss this together as a committee. 1253 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,839 water in the Wasuch Choice vision, uh, 1254 00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:53,760 local water planning, you know, there's 1255 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,079 new general plan requirements, training 1256 00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:58,480 opportunities, and collaborative 1257 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,559 strategies. We're going to hear from 1258 00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,520 myself and Tim Watkins from WFRC, Sam 1259 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,079 Taylor with Landmark Design. So glad to 1260 00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,480 have Sam here. Really pleased to have 1261 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,359 Anna McIntyre, who is the new incoming 1262 00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:14,960 director uh with uh the Institute for 1263 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,960 Land, Water, and Air at Utah State. and 1264 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,440 then Jason Brown and I maybe also Cody 1265 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,160 Lutz, I'm not sure with Envision Utah. 1266 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,480 Um, and Jason is our is a committee 1267 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,520 member here. So really excited for these 1268 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,680 uh presentations. 1269 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,800 When we were talking to uh Ram Mayor 1270 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,480 Ramsey, when we were talking before this 1271 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,440 meeting, the mayor reminded me of a very 1272 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,240 basic fact which I know which is that 1273 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:43,200 you all are experts too on water. like 1274 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,599 commu local governments talk about water 1275 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:49,040 a lot and there is a lot of expertise 1276 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,680 already. So a lot of what you're going 1277 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,520 to hear in the next few presentations 1278 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,760 will be familiar to you but it's just 1279 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,079 sort of like getting it all out on the 1280 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,880 table as a table setting. 1281 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,960 Here's fact one which I think is widely 1282 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,280 known. As development intensity 1283 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,040 increases 1284 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,119 per household water use falls per 1285 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,200 household water use falls. So that's 1286 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,960 this dark blue line uh falls as you move 1287 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,800 from larger lot single family uh units 1288 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,359 to smaller lot to townhouse to condo. 1289 00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:23,280 Okay, that falls which we all 1290 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,440 understand. Th this other part here of 1291 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,880 the curve that is bending upward is the 1292 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,640 per acre water use by unit type does 1293 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,599 increase. Okay, the per acre 1294 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:41,839 does increase as you move from unit to 1295 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:45,119 unit, but we'll get back to that. 1296 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:47,359 But understanding it on a per unit 1297 00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:50,000 basis, not per acre. You follow me? A 1298 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,359 per unit understanding of it falls as 1299 00:51:53,359 --> 00:51:55,920 you move from one h um housing type to 1300 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,800 another is important because there is a 1301 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,200 substitution effect. If if you know, 1302 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,280 let's say there are more homes that are 1303 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,280 built more town homes that are built in 1304 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,359 the Jordan uh River Basin, it might mean 1305 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:12,079 it likely does mean that there are fewer 1306 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,000 homes built, let's say, in the West 1307 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,520 Desert. And so understanding that 1308 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,440 consideration is really key, especially 1309 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,880 when it all uh comes together, 1310 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,800 understanding what's the impact on the 1311 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,280 Great Salt Lake. 1312 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,640 Now here's the second big point I want 1313 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,920 to hit. The first we already know per 1314 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,480 capita demand falls as the unit type 1315 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:40,319 goes up. Um the second big point is that 1316 00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:42,559 this basic understanding that a lot of 1317 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,880 us already have which is that there's an 1318 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,640 important difference between the water 1319 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,040 that we use indoors versus outdoors. 1320 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,359 When we use it indoors, a lot of that 1321 00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:53,680 water returns to our water bodies. And 1322 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,000 when we use it outdoors, a lot of it is 1323 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,920 consumed and does not return to our 1324 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,920 water bodies. We already know that. So 1325 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,720 now let's go back to this graph. So you 1326 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,960 see that that that 1327 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,680 curve that bends up that shows water 1328 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,440 demand increasing as we move from 1329 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,200 increase in our density. But look at 1330 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,680 this dark green 1331 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,640 uh wedge. Is that a wedge or a worm? 1332 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,680 What is it? But that dark green, it 1333 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,640 actually falls um even on a per acre 1334 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,520 basis. So, here's the thinking here. 1335 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,800 Let's say that you have a 5 acre block 1336 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,880 and it's right next to your town center 1337 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,280 in your community. 1338 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,200 If you as a community decide, you know 1339 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,400 what, on that 5 acre block, let's allow 1340 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,280 town houses where we were going to have 1341 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,280 uh single family living just on that 1342 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,640 5acre block. your actual outdoor water 1343 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,599 use per acre is actually going to fall. 1344 00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:54,960 So the consumed water falls even on a 1345 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,000 per acre basis. I wasn't even totally 1346 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,839 aware of that before even a year ago. Um 1347 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:04,960 that that added up to that. Um what does 1348 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,880 this have to do with the Wasuch Choice 1349 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,599 vision? the Wasa choice vision. 1350 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,400 Throughout that that effort, communities 1351 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,040 have said, you know, let's identify the 1352 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,040 focal points in our community where we 1353 00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,280 want to see a mix of destinations and 1354 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,040 housing types that um help us create a 1355 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,480 great sense of place and a destination 1356 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,240 for when people come to visit our 1357 00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,359 community. And they vary dramatically, 1358 00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,440 small town centers up to metropolitan 1359 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,000 centers. The development of those city 1360 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,599 and town centers through the Wasage 1361 00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,480 Choice vision does impact urban water 1362 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,359 use. We estimate that from the current 1363 00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:45,359 city and town centers that we have in 1364 00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:48,319 place today because we have those that 1365 00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:51,200 we save 30 million gallons of water per 1366 00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,000 day. And that as you look forward, if we 1367 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,800 were to implement today's Wasage Choice 1368 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,800 vision, we could see that go up to about 1369 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,720 38 or 40 million uh gallons of water per 1370 00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,359 day saved because we would develop 1371 00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:08,800 strong um vibrant city and town centers 1372 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,440 to complement our quiet single family 1373 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,440 neighborhoods in our communities. So, 1374 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,200 those are a couple of things. I hope 1375 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,400 that was lightning enough on the water 1376 00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,520 and the Wasatch Choice vision. Now we're 1377 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,520 seating this conversation local water 1378 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,800 planning and then training then 1379 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,160 collaborative strategies. So now I'm 1380 00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,280 going to turn over to Tim Watkins and 1381 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,880 Sam Taylor to talk about best practices 1382 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:38,950 in local uh planning. Gentlemen, 1383 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,880 » that one. 1384 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,119 >> All right. Great to be with you and Sam 1385 00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:46,240 and I will do our best to split time and 1386 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:48,880 uh find the right pace to share what we 1387 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,160 learned as we provided uh support to Roy 1388 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,559 City. Uh the city requested technical 1389 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,839 planning assistance in 2024 and 25 to 1390 00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:00,079 prepare their water preservation element 1391 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,319 update to their general plan. We learned 1392 00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:04,960 a lot. It is in the context of Roy City 1393 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,119 which is mostly buildout. Most of their 1394 00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,599 future growth and development will be 1395 00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:12,640 infill or redevelopment, but uh the 1396 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,079 majority of the growth in the community 1397 00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,559 is existing single family residential. 1398 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:18,240 And you'll see some examples that Sam 1399 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,079 will share of not just future uh more 1400 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:23,520 compact infill development 1401 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,960 opportunities, but what existing 1402 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,280 residents can do to conserve water as 1403 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,160 well. Uh this project was supported by 1404 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,559 it was a great support and collaboration 1405 00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,720 effort. uh Haley Kurlin with the 1406 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:37,440 division of water resources, state of 1407 00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,640 Utah is here and she provided uh great 1408 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,200 support and that also allowed for Sam 1409 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,920 Taylor to come on as a consultant and uh 1410 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,240 then Utah State University this Roy City 1411 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:49,760 had the opportunity to participate in 1412 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,000 the growing water smart program. All 1413 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,920 right, so with that I just want to touch 1414 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,599 a little bit more on what Ted was 1415 00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:57,920 sharing about the indoor water use and 1416 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,960 borrowing from Envision Utah's water use 1417 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,640 rule of thumb number two. If you haven't 1418 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,400 seen that toolkit, it's great to check 1419 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,880 out. And so on the left you see the 1420 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,640 water coming the snow pack from 1421 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,799 mountains and rivers. 30% is used indoor 1422 00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:15,200 and that's for cleaning and cooking and 1423 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,200 then that water gets collected, treated 1424 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,839 and returns to the water bodies. You see 1425 00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:22,240 on the right 70% 1426 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,280 is and I emphasize that 70% is a trend 1427 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,680 of the past. It doesn't necessarily need 1428 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,839 to be 70% moving into the future. But 1429 00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:33,359 that water is applied to landscapes and 1430 00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:39,599 90 plus percent of that evaporates into the air. And uh so that is the the 1431 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,920 water spent. 1432 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,599 There are we've learned that there are 1433 00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,240 three primary drivers or components that 1434 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,359 determine outdoor water use. First would 1435 00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:51,280 be the size of the landscape and that's 1436 00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,960 largely influenced by the size of a 1437 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,680 single family lot or uh the type of 1438 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,599 landscape area in different development 1439 00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,000 types. Uh the second factor component is 1440 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,079 the um landscape type. The turf grass is 1441 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:08,400 usually easiest and cheapest, but it 1442 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,200 requires the most water. And so you see 1443 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,880 there's kind of a turf grass or bed 1444 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,920 choice, the ratio of the two. But Sam's 1445 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,119 also going to touch on natural 1446 00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:19,200 landscapes and provide some interesting 1447 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,200 and compelling examples of going a 1448 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,799 little more natural and using much less 1449 00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:24,960 water that way. A third important 1450 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,720 component that we will not spend time on 1451 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,720 today, but it's still important to keep 1452 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,040 in mind is the water use practice. And 1453 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,520 that has to do with are we keeping our 1454 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,559 irrigation systems uh in good operation 1455 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,480 and efficient? Are we airrating turf 1456 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,559 grass? Are we tilling soil before 1457 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,960 planting and so forth. 1458 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,480 All right, so let's just touch on this 1459 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,720 first component of the landscape area as 1460 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,799 a driving factor for outdoor water use. 1461 00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:51,040 And I need to emphasize we're only 1462 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,599 primarily addressing outdoor water use 1463 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:56,480 in in our lightning round here. But you 1464 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,119 see from left to right a graph of 1465 00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:01,280 different single family lot sizes 1466 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,119 ranging from half acre on the left all 1467 00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:04,880 the way down to even less than a tenth 1468 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,400 of an acre on the right. And uh then you 1469 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,240 see the corresponding 1470 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,280 amount of that lot that is the actual 1471 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:16,799 landscape area. And so um it can get be 1472 00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:18,960 as high as 16,000 square feet. And these 1473 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,599 are typical. They can average plus or 1474 00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:24,079 minus. Uh also note the little blue line 1475 00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,960 which indicates the the uh length of 1476 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,960 water pipe serving these homes. Much 1477 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,280 less water pipe is required on the right 1478 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,680 end of that spectrum, more water pipe on 1479 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,920 the on the left. 1480 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,839 And then similar uh notion with town 1481 00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:42,240 homes that you see couple of town home 1482 00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,720 styles on the left. multif family and 1483 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,480 mixeduse 1484 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,599 urban development that that the amount 1485 00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:51,760 of landscape per housing unit continues 1486 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,670 to decrease. 1487 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,359 Something to keep in mind with with 1488 00:59:57,359 --> 00:59:59,359 smaller lots that they tend to be more 1489 00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:02,160 conducive to water wise landscaping. You 1490 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,720 see here an example in Farmington where 1491 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,799 uh there's no turf grass in the front. 1492 01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:09,359 It's just drip irrigated plant beds, but 1493 01:00:09,359 --> 01:00:11,040 it's a smaller area and it's easier to 1494 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,359 apply that type of landscaping. And then 1495 01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:14,960 the example of a couple homes in 1496 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,880 Leighton that are 10 feet apart. These 1497 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,799 are single family homes. There's really 1498 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:20,960 no need for landscaping and irrigation 1499 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,680 between the homes and the homes actually 1500 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,839 provide shade and a little bit of a 1501 01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:28,640 cooling effect there. 1502 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,880 And then Ted mentioned centers and kind 1503 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,680 of urban spaces for landscaping. And in 1504 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,839 many cases those can be plazas with 1505 01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:37,760 plant beds and trees but also nice 1506 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,760 places to congregate and uh eat and 1507 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,680 relax and visit. And one more uh factor 1508 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,559 to keep in mind is uh when we talk about 1509 01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,440 lot sizes and landscape areas is that uh 1510 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,839 there's an opportunity to put landscapes 1511 01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:55,760 to more beneficial use and absorb more 1512 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,400 water and reduce the need for large 1513 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,440 detention areas. So, 1514 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,440 um, I'm going to turn it over to Sam to 1515 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,920 start with this slide. 1516 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,680 >> Thank you, Tim. Um, this next slide here 1517 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,079 shows gives you sort of the framework 1518 01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,640 with Hutchin. We are looking at outdoor 1519 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,240 water use. And we've categorized things 1520 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,200 into high, moderate, and low um for 1521 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,319 their consumption. I think we're all 1522 01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:21,920 very familiar with high water use 1523 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,680 landscapes. They're prolific throughout 1524 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,400 our state. It's very traditional. Um 1525 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,520 many of our uh municipal facilities have 1526 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,200 a lot of lawn as well. Um and so how are 1527 01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,119 we shifting the needle in in in the 1528 01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,760 water use on those? Um the moderate 1529 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,400 sector there tends to get into more of 1530 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,920 the local scapes approach where we still 1531 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,480 have a certain amount of lawn and then 1532 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,319 as we get low into the low water use 1533 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,000 we're starting to turn over that turf 1534 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,960 grass for more drought uh tolerant 1535 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:54,319 plantings. Um [clears throat] so we as 1536 01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:55,839 part of the Roy project we wanted to 1537 01:01:55,839 --> 01:01:58,960 look at how do these actually shape out 1538 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,040 in terms of their water use. And so we 1539 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,880 looked at a range of different 1540 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,640 development types um and in lot sizes 1541 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,440 and how applying the high water use, the 1542 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,160 moderate and the low uh conceptual 1543 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,400 designs for each of these, what did they 1544 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,000 actually shape out to in terms of their 1545 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,359 water use um in terms of acre inches per 1546 01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,680 year consumed. And so, um, we did this 1547 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,160 for halfacre and quarter acre single 1548 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,880 family, uh, 6,500 square foot lots, um, 1549 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,160 both suburban town homes and and more 1550 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,319 urban town homes, uh, mixed use 1551 01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:38,400 commercial and residential, 1552 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,880 uh, and then, uh, finally, you know, 1553 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,319 more of a multif family, mixed 1554 01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:45,440 residential, uh, mid-rise kind of 1555 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,160 project. Um and [clears throat] taken 1556 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,359 all all all together and and plotted uh 1557 01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:55,520 on a chart you can see uh how how these 1558 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,960 numbers sort of shake out in terms of 1559 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,839 their use. And uh no surprise that as we 1560 01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:01,119 move towards the more compact 1561 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:03,760 development we are obviously seeing less 1562 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,000 outdoor water use. Um, but I think it's 1563 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,280 also interesting to note that um there 1564 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,240 is sort of like a sweet spot in in uh we 1565 01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:13,680 don't necessarily have to have a a 1566 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,960 future where we are all living in 1567 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,599 high-rise apartments um but we can still 1568 01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,960 enjoy uh you know a very happy place in 1569 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,520 the middle and enjoy a functional 1570 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,319 amenity rich landscape. 1571 01:03:26,319 --> 01:03:28,799 So how does this shape out um how how 1572 01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:30,559 can we 1573 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,440 strike this balance? Um was front's 1574 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,559 working on some conceptualizations 1575 01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:38,960 uh looking at compact single family and 1576 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,839 mixed uh develop mixed residential 1577 01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:43,839 development that prioritizes an amenity 1578 01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:46,319 rich landscape that is also water-wise. 1579 01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:48,559 So here we have a shared land uh amenity 1580 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:51,359 area um by all the the homes fronting 1581 01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:53,920 this and all the little front yards are 1582 01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,160 then flipped to a privacy screened very 1583 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,799 uh you know focused amenity rich spaces 1584 01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,799 that don't have the turf grass. The turf 1585 01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:05,119 grass is now shared by all the all the 1586 01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:09,280 homes within a common park area. Um 1587 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,599 another example of how we can move this 1588 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:14,480 needle uh in the moderate framework. 1589 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,799 This neighborhood here is an an example 1590 01:04:16,799 --> 01:04:19,440 of applying local scapes principles 1591 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,920 where we have reduced an amount of front 1592 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,400 uh lawns and swap that out for more 1593 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,440 water-wise plantings. Um and we can even 1594 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,400 take this to the low use uh scale at at 1595 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,059 a full development scale. Um, 1596 01:04:33,059 --> 01:04:34,880 [clears throat] so this is a new 1597 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,640 development that's being constructed now 1598 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,839 in uh West Jordan called Terrain. And uh 1599 01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:42,480 the entire development is uh based on 1600 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,520 low water use plantings. Even the uh 1601 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,440 sort of turf grass in the the park area 1602 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,599 in the middle there is a a native sort 1603 01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:52,640 of meadow mix. Um so this this is a 1604 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,599 example of how we can actually embrace 1605 01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,680 sort of a native aesthetic and uh I mean 1606 01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:01,920 it's different, right? But uh this this 1607 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,400 landscape uses a mere fraction of what 1608 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,359 our traditional high use landscapes do 1609 01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:10,559 and it's not covered in rocks. 1610 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:14,079 So um 1611 01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:16,079 so how can cities sort of influence 1612 01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:18,400 this? Uh one is really getting back to 1613 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,640 our landscape ordinances. I think 1614 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,079 there's been a lot of progress made on 1615 01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:23,839 this and uh you should all be 1616 01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:25,200 congratulated for the progress you've 1617 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,319 made. Um, so, uh, we have our local 1618 01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:30,079 scapes model ordinances which the water 1619 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:31,359 conservancy districts have provided. 1620 01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:33,760 Those are a great starting point. Um, 1621 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,160 but we're still we still have some work 1622 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,079 to do to try and get away from zero 1623 01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:42,880 scapes to, you know, more uh, 1624 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,200 water sensitive and and also cooling 1625 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,079 landscapes. Um, rock mulch we tend to be 1626 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:49,680 overdoing it with. We're creating urban 1627 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:53,280 heat and that tends to stress out the 1628 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,119 plants and the trees in those landscapes 1629 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,839 and triggers behavioral overwatering. So 1630 01:05:57,839 --> 01:05:59,920 people are cranking up the irrigation 1631 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,480 systems to combat that heat. Um so we 1632 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,799 can combat that by planting more densely 1633 01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:07,760 and also shifting to uh obviously drip 1634 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:09,839 irrigation, smart irrigation controllers 1635 01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:13,119 and so forth. And um also I think 1636 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:14,960 there's opportunity for us to reward 1637 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,039 those that are going above and beyond. 1638 01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,760 So um 1639 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,240 we can also from the municipal side look 1640 01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,559 at opportunities to change the way we're 1641 01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,599 practicing uh our landscape management 1642 01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:30,559 within uh municipal owned facilities and 1643 01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:32,400 a a lot of you have made some 1644 01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:33,839 significant strides in this area and you 1645 01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:35,680 should be congratulated for that. Um 1646 01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,200 there's sort of a toolbox here on the 1647 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,559 screen. We can look at things from a 1648 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,319 turf grass perspective reducing 1649 01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:42,640 non-functional turf grass switching our 1650 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:45,039 fields and parks to water wise turf 1651 01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,599 grass varieties. um getting serious 1652 01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:50,640 about trees uh both planting more and 1653 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,960 but also ma taking better care of them. 1654 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,559 Many of our trees are not irrigated well 1655 01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:57,920 or maintained well. Um storm water Tim 1656 01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,920 kind of touched on getting double duty 1657 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,000 from the landscape. So um making them 1658 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,400 functional to treat storm water rather 1659 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,119 than big lawn detention basins. uh with 1660 01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:09,280 maintenance, you know, giving our 1661 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,480 equipping our parks and wreck 1662 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,079 departments with opportunities and 1663 01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:14,720 resources to for training, but also to 1664 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,359 make minor upgrades to help our 1665 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:20,319 facilities become more streamlined. And 1666 01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:22,240 finally, using city properties as a way 1667 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,039 to educate and inspire uh the public 1668 01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:26,480 through demonstration gardens, 1669 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,880 workshops, uh educational materials, and 1670 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,039 so forth. So, 1671 01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,720 um that 1672 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,720 concludes our lightning round on that. 1673 01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,440 And maybe maybe as these are happening, 1674 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,920 uh if you're thinking to yourself, gosh, 1675 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,319 that resonated with me or oh, I have a 1676 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:44,799 question about that or I have a push 1677 01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:47,039 back on, 1678 01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:49,359 keep track of those and and we could 1679 01:07:49,359 --> 01:07:51,119 just kind of flush them out like birds 1680 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:52,640 in a meadow after we're done. 1681 01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,960 >> Or if you're thinking my community is an 1682 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,920 example of uh of doing those things and 1683 01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,599 you can use us as an example, you could 1684 01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:05,349 think that as well. 1685 01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:07,280 Thank you. I'll just spend just a few 1686 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,359 quick minutes to talk about Utah Growing 1687 01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:11,280 Water Smart. My name is Anna McIntyre. 1688 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,319 I'm the incoming former managing 1689 01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:16,080 director, incoming executive director of 1690 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,839 the Janet Quinny Lawson Institute for 1691 01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:19,679 Land, Water, and Air at Utah State 1692 01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:21,759 University. Many of you are familiar 1693 01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:24,159 with the institute, but if you are not, 1694 01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:26,319 just a very quick overview. Our mission 1695 01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:30,400 is to help connect expertise, research, 1696 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,239 uh, quality information with people who 1697 01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:34,080 can use it to make better informed 1698 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,480 decisions. And so we're trying to be 1699 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:39,440 that middle space between, uh, our 1700 01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:40,799 university as well as other 1701 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:42,799 universities, other experts, and people 1702 01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:45,040 who need that information to make it 1703 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,600 formatted or digestible or brought in 1704 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,480 the way format shape that is useful for 1705 01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,080 better management of land, water, and 1706 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,920 air resources throughout the state of 1707 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,560 Utah. One way, and we've got pillars, 1708 01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,040 one way that we do this is through the 1709 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,679 Utah Growing Water Smart program. Uh I 1710 01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:03,679 am the principal investigator on this 1711 01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:07,440 project. It has been uh managed and I 1712 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:09,359 did not originate the project, but I'm 1713 01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,279 happy to take it on and be a part of 1714 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,359 this. But the goal of Utah Growing Water 1715 01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:17,520 Smart is to help communities plan for 1716 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,679 their resilient water future through 1717 01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:21,920 integrated land use and water planning. 1718 01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,759 And it's what Mayabber Ramsay was 1719 01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:26,239 referring to on a micro scale. It's not 1720 01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:28,960 just having this group talk about water 1721 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,199 and integrating that with with land 1722 01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:32,960 decisions and transportation decisions, 1723 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,279 but having individual communities bring 1724 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,199 their land use planners, their water 1725 01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:39,040 planners, their economic developers, 1726 01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,520 their elected officials together to talk 1727 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,600 about water. Uh the approach of Utah 1728 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,400 growing water smart. We do not come in 1729 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,199 and say how communities should do their 1730 01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:53,440 integrated land use and water planning. 1731 01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:56,239 We provide the resources and tools for 1732 01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:58,719 communities themselves to be able to 1733 01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:00,960 author their future, decide what their 1734 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,480 values, goals, and strategies are. and 1735 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:06,880 we just help hold their hand and provide 1736 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,719 them the expertise and resources when 1737 01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:10,960 they have a question or when they need a 1738 01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:12,960 particular insight or a particular tool 1739 01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:14,719 that they have that at their fingertips 1740 01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:16,640 while they're participating in the 1741 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,080 program. We are really grateful that we 1742 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,320 have such great partners on the program. 1743 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,960 This uh the growing water smart program 1744 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,920 was started uh by the Senorian Institute 1745 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,560 and is being helped and managed by the 1746 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,159 Babbitt Center for Land and Water 1747 01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:34,560 Policy. This is being supported and 1748 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,000 funded by the division of water 1749 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,480 resources. Uh and we've been in working 1750 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,560 with uh in close partnership with water 1751 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,239 districts as we bring our communities 1752 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,520 together for these workshops. Uh it's 1753 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,320 called a workshop, but I the very first 1754 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:53,440 thing when I inherited this program is that's not at all what it is. Uh we 1755 01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:55,440 do bring these communities together for 1756 01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:58,000 three days to work on this, but we have 1757 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,400 a really significant on-ramp as far as 1758 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,560 providing them support for onboarding 1759 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,320 and making sure that they have the right 1760 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:05,920 team that they're bringing to the 1761 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,080 workshop. And then we work to provide a 1762 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,800 significant amount of of resources and 1763 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,199 support after they leave the workshop. 1764 01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:15,440 So we have reunions, we have technical 1765 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:18,400 support, we have shareouts and webinars 1766 01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,239 to be able to provide uh the the 1767 01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:24,320 resources. So it's not a oneanddone 1768 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:25,920 activity, but it's something that's 1769 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,320 integrated into way the way that their 1770 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,679 community operates. Uh 1771 01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:34,640 the reason that it works so well is that 1772 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,760 it's meant to be team-based. So we for 1773 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,080 each workshop we bring in six to eight 1774 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,400 different communities uh to be working 1775 01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,640 at the same time. And so they have a 1776 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,800 mixed amount of time between just 1777 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,360 meeting with their communities and then 1778 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,040 coming and doing shareouts among the 1779 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,880 groups of communities and being in 1780 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,360 plenary sessions with experts talking 1781 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,760 about specific issues that are germanine 1782 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,280 to that cohort. At any given time, each 1783 01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,520 community is asked to bring five to 1784 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,159 eight strategically chosen community 1785 01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:08,640 planners or members. But the goal is to 1786 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,400 make sure that we are integrating the 1787 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:13,440 land use and the land planning with the 1788 01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,679 water planning, but also making sure 1789 01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,360 that we do have an elected official 1790 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,440 representative, that we do have someone 1791 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:21,440 who can understand what the economic 1792 01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:23,360 needs are of the city, and that we can 1793 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,080 have that conversation about water that 1794 01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:27,600 touches all different points of the 1795 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,239 city. So it's a holistic plan that suits 1796 01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:32,719 everyone. Uh, additionally, each 1797 01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:34,960 community is paired with two or three 1798 01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,600 expert facilitators that spend the full 1799 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,159 three days connected with them and it's 1800 01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:42,080 just to be their champion, their 1801 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,159 advocate, someone who can run outside 1802 01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,800 and grab a subject matter expert if they 1803 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,199 need to be talking about a specific area 1804 01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:51,440 that they want to move into. the types 1805 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:54,159 of topics that they can work on. For um 1806 01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:56,080 the last phase, it was a really 1807 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,640 significant emphasis on developing the 1808 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,480 water preservation element as part of 1809 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:03,440 their general plans. Uh now it may be 1810 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:05,280 something more along the lines of what 1811 01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:07,040 is the action plan now that that's part 1812 01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,520 of the general plan or we have some 1813 01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:10,960 communities that are coming up on 1814 01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,640 renewal of their water conservation 1815 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,760 plans. So whatever it is that's their 1816 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:17,440 goal, that's what we help them 1817 01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:19,840 accomplish. they set what their agenda 1818 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,000 is and we just facilitate what that 1819 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,760 looks like. 1820 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,640 Uh so far there's been two phases of the 1821 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,440 Utah Growing Water Smart uh program 1822 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,159 within Utah. Over those first two phases 1823 01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:33,760 we've worked with 25 different 1824 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,600 communities including Roy which I 1825 01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:39,360 believe was mentioned and uh our goal is 1826 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,400 over this phase three to double this. So 1827 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,679 we will have five workshops uh with six 1828 01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,679 to eight communities each that we'll be 1829 01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:50,640 continuing to work with from now through 1830 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,840 the end of 2028. But our goal is that 1831 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,920 this is not again a oneanddone thing 1832 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,400 that we continue growing water smart and 1833 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,880 it's part of the way that we think about 1834 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,800 our how our communities function 1835 01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,840 throughout the state in perpetuity. Uh 1836 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,040 so what is next for us? We are in a mad 1837 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:11,600 dash to be ready for uh our next 1838 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,280 workshop which is going to be just a 1839 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,440 little over a week from now. Uh we are 1840 01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,360 working with eight communities in the 1841 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,920 service ever cerebrous area of the 1842 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,320 central Utah water conservancy district. 1843 01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,560 So Utah County communities, we've got 1844 01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,640 eight of them who are participating. 1845 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,640 We're very excited. They've got some 1846 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:30,880 wicked water problems and we're hopeful 1847 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:34,320 to be able to uh to help them find some 1848 01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:36,719 pathways forward and some solutions. We 1849 01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:40,080 are we've been in discussions about uh 1850 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,679 working with Jordan Valley Water 1851 01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:43,600 Conservancy District next. We've had 1852 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,920 some conversations about that. It may be 1853 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,760 fall or maybe spring. They're rolling 1854 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,600 out their new water budget right at the 1855 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,199 same point in time and it will be well 1856 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,280 timed uh when they're beginning to 1857 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,159 socialize that. Uh following those two 1858 01:14:56,159 --> 01:14:58,080 cohorts, we've got three more that we 1859 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,560 have planned. It's a statewide program, 1860 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,159 so we'll be working with some rural 1861 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:03,760 communities as well as additional 1862 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,239 communities along the Wasatch front. 1863 01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:07,840 Uh 1864 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,080 it something that we believe is that 1865 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,560 this is this is something that every 1866 01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:15,280 community needs to do but deserves to 1867 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,199 support to be able to accomplish in a 1868 01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:19,440 way that's strategic and that meets the 1869 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:21,679 goals, the values, and the priorities of 1870 01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:24,960 each community. But water challenges are 1871 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,239 not something that's going to be going 1872 01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:28,560 away in Utah. And the more that we can 1873 01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,560 be smart about it, the better we can 1874 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,159 have a resilient future. Um, I always 1875 01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:36,560 have this up for anyone who wants to get 1876 01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,320 a little bit more information about the 1877 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,640 program or how your community can be 1878 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:42,960 involved. It's just a quick form, but 1879 01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,120 you can reach out to me directly, Anna 1880 01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,750 McIntyreusu.edu. 1881 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,600 » Thank you. And congratulations, Anna. 1882 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,440 This is a new appointment, brand new. 1883 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:54,640 You are brand new in this role. We're 1884 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:56,000 just throwing you right into the fire 1885 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,840 and uh very able and capable of this. We 1886 01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:01,040 congratulate you on this new 1887 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:02,560 appointment. Thank you. Look forward to 1888 01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,239 working with you in this role. 1889 01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:09,830 >> Thank you. 1890 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,560 » Okay. Uh I'm gonna talk to you about the 1891 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,400 I was going to say cool. Uh I'm going to 1892 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:15,920 talk to you about the Great Salt Lake 1893 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,360 Basin integrated plan. So um as I think 1894 01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,840 we all know, if you find yourself in the 1895 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,239 light blue on that map, or I guess 1896 01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:26,239 technically in the dark blue, you are in 1897 01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:28,719 the Great Salt Lake Basin. uh meaning 1898 01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:30,960 your water uh is connected to the Great 1899 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,320 Salt Lake and connected to all of the 1900 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,520 other uh water in the basin as well. So 1901 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,560 uh we have had and seen plans from water 1902 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,199 districts, from cities and communities, 1903 01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:45,760 from counties and others uh for managing 1904 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,159 water and uh in responsible 1905 01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:51,360 future-looking ways. But we have not had 1906 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,400 a unified integrated plan for the entire 1907 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,159 Great Salt Lake Basin. And that is what 1908 01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:58,719 we're trying to do here. It's not, if I 1909 01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:01,280 may, it's not too dissimilar from the 1910 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,360 Wasatch Choice vision, but just for how 1911 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,360 we're going to manage water. So, um, 1912 01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,960 what is the Great Salt Lake Basin 1913 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,199 integrated plan? It is a roadmap for 1914 01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:12,239 managing water in ways that, uh, promote 1915 01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:14,239 a healthy lake and a high quality of 1916 01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,199 life. And I want to underscore uh, that 1917 01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:20,000 point there that this is not a um, a 1918 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,880 save the lake only plan or just a a plan 1919 01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,719 to figure out how to get more water to 1920 01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:28,239 the lake. It is a plan to ensure that we 1921 01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:30,480 have a resilient water supply for the 1922 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,199 lake. Yes. Uh but also for the needs 1923 01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:36,320 that we as communities have. So it is so 1924 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,199 we are definitely looking at these two 1925 01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:41,360 goals here that it's not just about 1926 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:42,800 making sure we have a healthy lake but 1927 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,520 it's about making sure that we can have 1928 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,600 the thriving quality of life the growth 1929 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,960 that we anticipate uh and and do so in a 1930 01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,040 way that that uh provides a resilient 1931 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,560 water supply or ensures a resilient 1932 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,480 water supply looking to the future. Um 1933 01:17:56,480 --> 01:18:00,000 this plan ties into the governor's uh 1934 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,560 Great Salt Lake 2034 initiative. uh it 1935 01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,239 will be adopted or is meant to be 1936 01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,960 adopted as the long range strategic plan 1937 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:08,480 by the office of the great salt lake 1938 01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:11,280 commissioner uh and we are fortunate 1939 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,360 that we have some support from the US 1940 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,840 Bureau of Reclamation to do some 1941 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,760 modeling work that's never really been 1942 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,320 done before that will give us uh better 1943 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,600 insight than we've ever had into how our 1944 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,520 changes to water use or decisions around 1945 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,800 water use will affect our water supply 1946 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:33,920 uh moving into the future. So um it is a exciting and I think very timely 1947 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:35,679 opportunity that we have to to all be a 1948 01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:38,880 part of this. Um I want to talk or use 1949 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,920 this sort of uh phase calendar here to 1950 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,440 uh talk about where um where we need the 1951 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:47,600 engagement from local communities. So 1952 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:48,880 we're in the middle of phase one right 1953 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,480 now and the goal here is simply to 1954 01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:52,400 gather and understand what are people's 1955 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,400 priorities. So, as we're building this 1956 01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:56,640 model, this unprecedented model, we want 1957 01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,560 to know what are the things that you 1958 01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,880 would like to have measured or or come 1959 01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:03,040 out at the end of the model and what are 1960 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,320 the things that you're willing to put 1961 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,120 into the model in terms of um strategies 1962 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,320 or or approaches for water management. 1963 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:12,480 Uh phase two then is the longest phase 1964 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,239 and it's where we're going to do a 1965 01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:15,840 process that I think those who have, you 1966 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,920 know, been uh here for a long time will 1967 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:20,159 recognize uh that we're going to be 1968 01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,560 developing some scenarios. Uh and it's a 1969 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,800 long process because the first part is 1970 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,400 going to be figuring out okay what what 1971 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,000 are the things that we're all willing to 1972 01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,760 try and do and what are the outcomes we 1973 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,800 want to see and then the uh the actual 1974 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,880 model itself isn't going to be finished 1975 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,560 until early next year. People are 1976 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,080 working feverishly on getting all of 1977 01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,960 that. Um but uh then we can actually 1978 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,280 plug in the decisions, you know, pull 1979 01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,360 the lever or however the models work and 1980 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,360 get the outcomes that we can all then 1981 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,159 examine uh so that we can decide, okay, 1982 01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:51,760 we're willing to make these trade-offs. 1983 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,520 This sounds like what we want to do uh 1984 01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,520 or we don't want to do these steps. Um 1985 01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,560 and then and then uh after we have the 1986 01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,159 chance to look at that, then we get the 1987 01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,080 real fun happens and we have to actually 1988 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,679 create a plan. Uh now this plan itself 1989 01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:08,719 um we expect that there there may be as 1990 01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:10,800 part of the plan some uh some state 1991 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,960 regulatory actions. There will almost 1992 01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,600 certainly though be some policy and 1993 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,239 budget or spending priorities but there 1994 01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:21,600 has to be for this to work uh local 1995 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,640 commitment both by uh municipalities and 1996 01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,000 by residents uh business owners others. 1997 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,560 um otherwise this doesn't work and and 1998 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,960 we have a a plan that that isn't going 1999 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,640 to actually do anything. So um 2000 01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,000 we're gonna we have just two questions. 2001 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,320 I know we're really quick. We we don't 2002 01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:40,960 have 2003 01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:41,920 >> I questions. 2004 01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,880 >> I am wondering Jason if we do a modest 2005 01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,679 tweak to the game plan and actually show 2006 01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:51,679 those questions but not 2007 01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:53,679 >> All right, that's fair and you don't 2008 01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:54,239 need to sign. 2009 01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:56,080 >> We can we can dig into them in 2010 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:57,920 discussion. So do you want to just 2011 01:20:57,920 --> 01:20:59,040 mention the two questions? 2012 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,400 >> Yeah. All right. So we we'll look at the 2013 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,080 two questions here. So like I said, 2014 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,760 there are two two buckets of things 2015 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,840 we're looking for right now. One of 2016 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,560 those is what are your priorities for 2017 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,239 water management um as you think about, 2018 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:13,600 you know, how we move forward in the 2019 01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,520 future. So, um, for instance, there are 2020 01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:16,640 some communities that say, well, the 2021 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:17,840 most important thing is we want to make 2022 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,080 sure that we have, uh, agriculture or we 2023 01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,320 want to make sure that we have, uh, 2024 01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,560 residents that or or places where people 2025 01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:27,600 can enjoy some grass outside or we want 2026 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,440 to make sure that we have, uh, that 2027 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:30,480 we're maintaining or supporting 2028 01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:32,960 shoreboard shore bird habitats or that 2029 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,400 we want to make sure that we are 2030 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,560 supporting um, economic development in 2031 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,120 the region. So whatever your priorities 2032 01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:40,560 are, we want you to think at the end of 2033 01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,960 the day, what matters most to you and 2034 01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,760 your communities. Uh and then the second 2035 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,600 uh bucket of questions that that we 2036 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,600 really want to understand are what are 2037 01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,000 the um strategies that you think uh that 2038 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,159 you would like to employ here? Uh what 2039 01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:57,920 are the things that you would like to do 2040 01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,880 to help get to your priorities, the 2041 01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,080 outcomes you want to see? So for 2042 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,280 instance, there's been a lot of things 2043 01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,679 that have uh been worked on that have uh 2044 01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:06,800 or that have been in the news or that 2045 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,480 have been brought up. Everything from oh 2046 01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,960 look we have some people signed in. So 2047 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,719 uh but we have uh yeah things like 2048 01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:14,880 reducing outdoor water use a 2049 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,239 optimization or um let's see fragmitees 2050 01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:20,239 removal or other invasives removal. So 2051 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:21,840 those are the kinds of things that we're 2052 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,840 looking for. I think we can uh address 2053 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,560 some of those in the discussion. Uh and 2054 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,639 then just to kind of show you where this 2055 01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:31,840 is going to be uh come into play, the 2056 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,600 priorities fall into this metrics 2057 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:34,960 bucket. These are some of the obvious 2058 01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,480 one. This is just a straw man. This is 2059 01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:38,400 not uh what the scenarios are 2060 01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:40,159 necessarily going to look like, but but 2061 01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:42,239 the structure of the scenarios. We want 2062 01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:43,920 to know what are the things that you're 2063 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,679 going to be looking at to say, okay, 2064 01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:47,120 this is these are the outcomes that 2065 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:48,880 matter to me, the metrics that that I 2066 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,960 care about. And and we want to figure 2067 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,800 out what are the strategies and levers 2068 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:57,040 we want to pull to do that. And 2069 01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:58,400 I don't think I need to talk too much 2070 01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,480 about the complications of this. Again, 2071 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:01,840 looking at the map, I think we get a 2072 01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,679 sense of why this might be so 2073 01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:06,400 complicated. Um, I don't know if I have 2074 01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:07,440 time for shameless plug, but I'm going 2075 01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:09,280 to shamelessly plug anyway. Uh, if you 2076 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,360 want to be involved in this uh 2077 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,560 discussion, and we would love to have 2078 01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:14,159 you be involved in this discussion more 2079 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:15,840 than just the few minutes that we have 2080 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,480 left for discussion here. um tomorrow. 2081 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:19,679 So that's not on the screen, but 2082 01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:21,840 tomorrow you can attend the uh the 2083 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,600 Jordan River Wershed Council meeting at 2084 01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,840 10 a.m. in Lehi. Uh it is open for 2085 01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:27,840 anyone where we will be having a deeper 2086 01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:29,600 conversation on this. Uh you can also 2087 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,280 join the Envision Utah Spring Breakfast 2088 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:32,880 next Wednesday morning. We have 2089 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,199 discounted uh tickets available for uh 2090 01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:37,520 elected officials. Uh or if you that's 2091 01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:38,880 still a barrier, come talk to me. We'll 2092 01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,080 work something out. Um 2093 01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,639 and with that, lightning's over. I'm 2094 01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:45,920 handing it to back to Ted. 2095 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,520 >> Jason, thank you. And mayor, if you 2096 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,600 don't mind, I can get this started and 2097 01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:53,199 then hand it to you. But um maybe just 2098 01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:55,840 for starters, what what resonated with 2099 01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,320 you or or when you think about this 2100 01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,880 question of how we might collaborate 2101 01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,120 together, this question too, what are 2102 01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,360 potential shared responses, how we might 2103 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,920 collaborate together to 2104 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,080 do more and better to address urban area 2105 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,719 water use. Where does your mind go or 2106 01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:14,320 what are your reactions from what we've 2107 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,880 heard today? 2108 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,199 I have a whole list of things. 2109 01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:21,520 >> Please, mayor, go ahead. 2110 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,800 >> So, um 2111 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,600 I get to spend my time in a lot of uh 2112 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:28,960 meetings at different levels of 2113 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:32,159 government and so water has been a topic 2114 01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:33,760 for the last several years, a 2115 01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,000 significant topic in meetings the last 2116 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:39,120 few months. And I think the 2117 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,800 presentations that we've heard, and not 2118 01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,960 to be in any way critical of the the 2119 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,360 lightning round, but a lot of it seems 2120 01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,960 to just focus on kind of landscaping 2121 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,679 options. And one of the frustrations 2122 01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:55,040 that I have um in being the the 2123 01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,520 practical connection point of where 2124 01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,080 residents, you know, get water is some 2125 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:01,440 of the things we never end up talking 2126 01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:02,880 about or where they talk about at the 2127 01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,960 legislative level and then never want to 2128 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:06,639 talk about how it actually impacts us. 2129 01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:09,199 So, in my part of the county and in your 2130 01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,040 part of the Davis County, sitting here 2131 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,840 on Davis County, Newbie Row here, um we 2132 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,679 never talk about the challenges of 2133 01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:17,199 subsidance that we're having in our 2134 01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:20,080 communities from um impact of well use 2135 01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,719 and the significant costs of depending 2136 01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:24,800 on wells. Well, why are we depending 2137 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,400 more on wells? Because they've closed 2138 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,800 the basin to water reuse. And I feel 2139 01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,159 like that was a decision that was done 2140 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,320 and made without discussions with 2141 01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:35,040 locals. And I know that there are 2142 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:36,719 concerns in South Davis County and in 2143 01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:40,000 particular North Utah County um about 2144 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,679 water reuse and having that cost benefit 2145 01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:47,040 really broad discussion about the 2146 01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,080 impacts on the Great Salt Lake which are 2147 01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,760 clearly as communities that live right 2148 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,320 alongside of it very impactful. But 2149 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,800 there is a a different set of impacts 2150 01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,159 that we seem like we just shoved aside 2151 01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:02,080 and that those are all in a category 2152 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,480 that concerns me. Um there was a slide 2153 01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,400 with the overlapping districts, 2154 01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:08,719 overlapping secondary water districts 2155 01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:10,159 all have different relationships with 2156 01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:11,520 metering, different timings with 2157 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:14,000 metering. No one, none of the three 2158 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,159 water districts in my city have 2159 01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,159 completely finished metering and so 2160 01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:20,159 they're not metering yet because they're 2161 01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,320 still in process and one is hostile to 2162 01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:23,920 metering. So, I don't know what we're 2163 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:25,040 going to do with that, but I don't have 2164 01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:28,320 control or authority over that. Um, 2165 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,320 enforcement on water restrictions is 2166 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,400 incredibly challenging. I don't know of 2167 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,719 any city that does proactive code 2168 01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:36,880 enforcement. If you are one of those 2169 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,000 cities, I'd love to hear about your 2170 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,480 experience, but everyone does reactive 2171 01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:43,199 complaint-based code enforcement. And 2172 01:26:43,199 --> 01:26:48,800 I'm sure every city's um and county's uh 2173 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,199 favorite community social media page has 2174 01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,280 just been full for the month of May of 2175 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:54,639 neighbors being mean about other 2176 01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:59,760 neighbors on water usage. But there's no there's no comprehensive plan 2177 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,600 for enforcement 2178 01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,040 on how we're doing restrictions. And 2179 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,120 secondary is different than culinary and 2180 01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:06,480 we're never on the same page. And I 2181 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,639 think we leave residents in um 2182 01:27:08,639 --> 01:27:11,199 showcasing them the worst of neighborly 2183 01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:14,639 behavior. Um, finally, uh, I'm going to 2184 01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:16,960 get done with the end of my little list 2185 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,040 of concerns, but cost. I feel like we 2186 01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,239 don't spend enough time talking about 2187 01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:22,159 cost. We want cities to be examples in 2188 01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:24,960 our park space. Um, but none of us have 2189 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,639 enough money to do all the things. I'm 2190 01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:27,760 spending a significant amount of money 2191 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,120 in Bountiful, upgrading all of our 2192 01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:30,880 irrigation systems in all of our parks 2193 01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,960 over a three-year time period to be 2194 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,679 smarter irrigation systems to go to to 2195 01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:38,560 drip irrigation and do a lot of things. 2196 01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,320 uh and and that's taking a significant 2197 01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,560 capital cost for us. That doesn't though 2198 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,000 mean that we are moving towards 2199 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,400 different landscaping because that's 2200 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:50,080 somewhere further down the cost impact 2201 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:53,360 um of just getting existing uh 2202 01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,320 irrigation systems upgraded to be more 2203 01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,440 water efficient. And so we you know we 2204 01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:00,719 need help with those costs and we'd help 2205 01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:02,560 with the messaging. Uh, and the other 2206 01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:04,880 area of messaging I would say we need 2207 01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,520 help in is that parks are much more we 2208 01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:08,400 someone hit on this and they're 2209 01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,000 lightning around just a teeny bit. Parks 2210 01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,480 are a very efficient way for us to use 2211 01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:14,400 water in spaces that all enjoy whether 2212 01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:18,560 it's um play play areas or fields or um 2213 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,159 the efficiencies you get from a 2214 01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:22,239 community water feature versus 2215 01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:25,199 individual kitty pools or personal pools 2216 01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:27,440 or running through the sprinklers. Um, 2217 01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:29,520 but every single city deals with the 2218 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,880 myriad of uh complaints of well, you're 2219 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:37,360 watering the park or you're you're not turning off your splash pad. 2220 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,040 H, even though those are more efficient, 2221 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,040 we'd rather drive people there. And so, 2222 01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:42,960 we could use global help from all of the 2223 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,760 different groups to to help the public 2224 01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,320 see that as as an efficient use and that 2225 01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:49,920 they should congregate there versus the 2226 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,199 other uh places. And then finally, um, 2227 01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,040 because I live so much of my time with 2228 01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,560 the League of Cities and Towns and the 2229 01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,280 realm of bad cities, I would like to, 2230 01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,000 uh, highlight bad contractors. The Flip 2231 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,719 Your Strip program, it feels only fair. 2232 01:29:04,719 --> 01:29:08,480 the flip your strip program I think are great but there is a whole host a 2233 01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:10,159 subset of contractors the bad 2234 01:29:10,159 --> 01:29:12,800 contractors who pitch people not on 2235 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:14,719 doing the program where you're replacing 2236 01:29:14,719 --> 01:29:17,440 your strip and you're using uh native 2237 01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:19,760 plants or drip irrigation and and 2238 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,600 reducing those heat islands but instead 2239 01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,520 the contractors pitch we'll just rip 2240 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,600 everything out we'll cap the sprinklers 2241 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,040 and we're just going to dump gravel in 2242 01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,600 it and in two years those are full of 2243 01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,920 weeds and their heat islands and there 2244 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,000 seems to be again since we're 2245 01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,840 complaining based enforcement and we're 2246 01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:38,239 going to catch this well after a 2247 01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:40,800 homeowner has paid significant money to 2248 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:43,440 have this done. An education on the 2249 01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:46,080 contractor community and going after bad 2250 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,880 contractor so that we don't end up with 2251 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,360 um a whole Salt Lake Valley filled with 2252 01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,159 just gravel park strips. So those are 2253 01:29:54,159 --> 01:29:55,920 the list of things I feel like we never 2254 01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,639 get to and I will stop because that was 2255 01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:01,440 a long list. 2256 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:03,600 >> Oh that was a good list. That was Did 2257 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,679 you see me just nodding emphatically so 2258 01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:07,199 much through that? I'm like, "Yep, 2259 01:30:07,199 --> 01:30:08,800 agreed. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed." Yeah, 2260 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,199 that was good. That was really good. 2261 01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:12,880 Thank you. Okay, so what are your 2262 01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:14,400 thoughts, please? 2263 01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,719 >> Um, one of my and I agree with 2264 01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:19,280 everything she said just like everybody 2265 01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:21,920 else probably does. However, 2266 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,159 I think what we need to do is in this 2267 01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:25,920 planning, 2268 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,840 I think a major portion has to go 2269 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,840 towards education 2270 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:33,440 starting from kindergarten or before 2271 01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:36,000 and start teaching 2272 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,280 people how to use water effectively, 2273 01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:40,800 which is going to be hard, but I think 2274 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:41,920 that's where we need to get the 2275 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:43,840 education, the state education on board 2276 01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:47,120 with teaching that and trying to teach 2277 01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,920 kids you don't waste water. Even though 2278 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,840 that might become more efficient as time 2279 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,719 goes on, I see it even even in my own 2280 01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:59,360 house and I have water, but 2281 01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:01,040 and nobody else gets the water because 2282 01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,560 it's mine. 2283 01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,679 But that is an area that I think we need 2284 01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:08,159 to look at is in the education area, 2285 01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:12,000 teaching kids from young ages on up how 2286 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,840 to turn off the water when you know 2287 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,400 they're brushing their teeth or or when 2288 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:19,840 they're uh you know maybe 2289 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,000 just you know when they're out playing 2290 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,159 you know fix times like you said you 2291 01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:26,639 know put have times when they can they 2292 01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:29,840 can do watering or water. Uh, one of my 2293 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,880 problems is is when I was a a mailman a 2294 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,280 long time ago, this was my biggest 2295 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,880 problem is people would be watering 2296 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,239 their lawns multiple times and they had 2297 01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:45,920 more green moss than they had lawn and 2298 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,400 they were watering the streets and all 2299 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:49,600 those kinds of things. And those 2300 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,000 irritated me because of course I got wet 2301 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,960 but it cooled me down. Um, but it got 2302 01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,360 their male wet too. And so those are 2303 01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,360 things I think education is a big part 2304 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,719 of our water usage. And I think and this 2305 01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:05,520 is something with Utah State that I know 2306 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,400 they've developed programs up there and 2307 01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,960 they've developed some grasses that are 2308 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,600 very water efficient grasses that don't 2309 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,960 take as much water as 2310 01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,080 our traditional Kentucky bluegrass. Uh 2311 01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:21,520 there are those that they I think 2312 01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,120 they've done a program at Weaver State 2313 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,520 where they changed some uh some items in 2314 01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,360 their landscaping to where now they only 2315 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,320 have to water once every three weeks and 2316 01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:33,600 they only mow once every 3 weeks. And so 2317 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,280 those are kinds of programs I think we 2318 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,159 need to get minds out there and start 2319 01:32:38,159 --> 01:32:40,320 thinking of the alternative ways in 2320 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,800 which we can help with water situations. 2321 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,520 I know in irrigation and agriculture, 2322 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,880 yes, we are doing our share, but if we 2323 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,840 don't if we don't 2324 01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:55,600 have water, we don't eat. Even these pig 2325 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,360 bars cannot be made without water and 2326 01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,239 they can't be made without food. So even 2327 01:33:02,239 --> 01:33:05,280 agriculture might become a big factor 2328 01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:07,600 that everybody thinks about water usage 2329 01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:11,199 in the agriculture. I mean I water. Yes, 2330 01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:15,040 I water I water for 12 hours on each 2331 01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,560 shift for a big whole two or three acres 2332 01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:23,600 or five acres or 10 acres, but it's a a system that we can use if we 2333 01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,480 have to cut it back to six hours. we may 2334 01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:29,280 not we may get down this far in our in 2335 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:32,000 our landscape in our fields and we need 2336 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,920 to build those roots and that's where 2337 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,239 you have to look at when in agriculture 2338 01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:38,159 and I know you guys don't have that but 2339 01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:40,800 in agriculture I try to go deep and 2340 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,560 water once every three weeks 2341 01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,400 >> two to three weeks so those are things 2342 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,040 that I think and and even though we 2343 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,669 baser 2344 01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:54,719 basin I hate to say it they're not 2345 01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:57,440 teaching us enough and they're not doing 2346 01:33:57,440 --> 01:33:59,040 enough, they need to get a hold of Utah 2347 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,480 State and start following what Utah 2348 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:03,520 State tells them to do and and quit 2349 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:06,400 wasting the water wherever it is, 2350 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,280 whether it is in landscaping, um, 2351 01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:11,520 whatever it is. And also with the stuff 2352 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,320 that Utah State has done, they also 2353 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:15,920 because of grass, it keeps our 2354 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:17,600 temperatures cooler, which means we 2355 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,440 don't have to use energy for air 2356 01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:21,040 conditioning. we don't have to use, you 2357 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,480 know, you can go outside and actually 2358 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:25,280 enjoy life on a small bit of ground that 2359 01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,040 you don't have to worry about and it's 2360 01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,520 cooler. So, those are just some thoughts 2361 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,159 I had. I have a whole list also, but 2362 01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:34,080 that's fine for another time. 2363 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,400 >> Commissioner, thank you. Can I Mayor, 2364 01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:37,440 please? 2365 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:39,840 >> So, I really am glad that we're talking 2366 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,880 about water today. And um one of the 2367 01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,199 things that I learned during my time at 2368 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:47,679 the legislature listening to people is 2369 01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:49,520 that water 2370 01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:52,480 once we change it from agriculture to 2371 01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:55,600 human use agriculture is flexible, 2372 01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,719 right? So they canow fields, they can 2373 01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:01,280 lease some water to the Great Salt Lake. 2374 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,520 Once we've dedicated it to human use, 2375 01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,360 it's set 2376 01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,320 and we can reduce that a bit, but it's 2377 01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,239 more set in concrete what the need is. 2378 01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:12,560 So that's when I've heard some people 2379 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,840 say we can just build and build in our state. I don't believe that's 2380 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:20,719 true because of that um set use. I also 2381 01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:25,360 um I've heard in presentations from our 2382 01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,840 professors in our state that we are not 2383 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,520 forecast to have snow by 2050. And if 2384 01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:35,440 that is the case, then our whole dynamic 2385 01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,760 of how we use water in our state changes 2386 01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:39,920 because our our the snow is our 2387 01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,400 reservoir. So I hope that we're taking 2388 01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,400 that seriously as we're looking ahead as 2389 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,880 a council. These are realities forecast 2390 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:49,040 by our professors and we should be 2391 01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,960 taking that very seriously. Um, and I 2392 01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,760 congratulate everyone that is doing what 2393 01:35:55,760 --> 01:36:00,800 they can um to mitigate and change like 2394 01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,040 through the Utah renewables community. 2395 01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:04,639 Um, 2396 01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:06,960 but th this is something we should be 2397 01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,360 considering. 2398 01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,239 >> Thank you. 2399 01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:14,239 >> Madam Chair, please go ahead. And then 2400 01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:14,800 Katherine, 2401 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,199 >> I'll just be super quick. Um, yes to 2402 01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:20,000 what Kate said. Yes, education. Um, I'll 2403 01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:21,600 just add one little thing that was 2404 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,320 interesting. We, my city put together 2405 01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,719 new ordinances regarding landscaping, 2406 01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:28,880 um, with the help of Weber Bas and Water 2407 01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:30,560 Conservancy District a few years ago in 2408 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,120 order to qualify our city for their turf 2409 01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,360 replacement programs, which is great. 2410 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:36,880 And I noted at the time there was a 2411 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:38,960 reluctance to 2412 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,120 um, regulating backyards. So most of the 2413 01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:44,880 regulations that we implemented for new 2414 01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:46,000 development going forward or 2415 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:47,600 redevelopment 2416 01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:51,199 um were limited to front and sideyards 2417 01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:52,639 and I had that conversation with the 2418 01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:54,560 Weber based people at the time but it 2419 01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:55,920 seemed like there was like a whole scale 2420 01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,520 reluctance across you know legislative 2421 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,800 bodies to regulate that way in probably 2422 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:04,239 because they didn't feel they could 2423 01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:06,800 enforce it if it's a backyard but I 2424 01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,560 think it's an interesting part of the 2425 01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:11,520 equation. So, just a thought. 2426 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:14,320 >> A thought. Thank you, Katherine. 2427 01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:16,480 >> Thank you, Mayor. So, um I want to 2428 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:19,040 direct my observations to Mayor 2429 01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,600 Bradshaw. By the way, your list was 2430 01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,840 amazing. I was feverishly writing it 2431 01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,400 down. Okay. Okay. Please send it to me. 2432 01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,320 Um because here's what here's what you 2433 01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,760 did. Um, I think we've been focused on 2434 01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,440 exactly what you were saying, you were 2435 01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:34,880 suggesting before, which is what I'm 2436 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,360 going to call sort of the lowhanging 2437 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,679 fruit, the micro level of what can we be 2438 01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:42,400 doing, right, to conserve water. We can 2439 01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:43,679 check it off, right? Each one of our 2440 01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:46,000 jurisdictions can be implementing our 2441 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:49,760 own internal conservation rules and and 2442 01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,080 expectations and modeling for others. We 2443 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,080 can do full-blown education campaigns. 2444 01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:55,520 How do you conserve water right at the 2445 01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,119 tap and in your yard? 2446 01:37:57,119 --> 01:37:59,600 We're doing I think that well. Could be 2447 01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:00,880 doing it better. Yes. But we're doing 2448 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,719 that well. What you're talking about is 2449 01:38:02,719 --> 01:38:04,719 a more macro 2450 01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:08,239 um highlevel conceptual. How do we 2451 01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:10,639 actually really identify some of the 2452 01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:13,040 harder pieces that are systemically 2453 01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:16,239 causing the block to conservation? Okay. 2454 01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:17,600 And you and you mentioned some of them 2455 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,000 metering secondary water, right? I 2456 01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:20,880 didn't I don't even know what you're 2457 01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:21,920 talking about with the wells, but I'm 2458 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:24,560 curious as to what that is. Um, so my 2459 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,119 question is, how do we turn what I'm 2460 01:38:27,119 --> 01:38:28,080 going to call those brilliant 2461 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,560 observations into practical 2462 01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,080 implementation? What does that look 2463 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,560 like? Is it a certain group that takes 2464 01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,119 ownership of it? Is it a convening? Is 2465 01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:38,880 it a convening here? Is it somebody 2466 01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,159 else? Is it through, you know, 2467 01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:45,440 department of uh natural resources or or department of, you know, water or 2468 01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:47,840 Great Salt Lake Commission or advisory 2469 01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,520 council? Like there's people out there, 2470 01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,280 right? So, how do how do we kind of turn 2471 01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,520 what you're talking into into action? 2472 01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:54,800 That's the question. 2473 01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,800 >> So, glad you asked. Um, 2474 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:00,880 I'm a big believer in local government. 2475 01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,199 Um, and 2476 01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:05,520 obviously, 2477 01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:06,800 but 2478 01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:08,239 >> I Why would I have come up with that 2479 01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:11,440 belief structure? I don't know. Um, one 2480 01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:13,280 of the challenges I because I get to 2481 01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:14,960 spend so much time at the legislative 2482 01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,520 level is I think sometimes our 2483 01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,480 legislative friends because many of them 2484 01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:22,159 have not served in the local government 2485 01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:24,239 level. I mean, we have a a reverse 2486 01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,159 example of going from a legislative 2487 01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:28,560 level to a local government level. That 2488 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:30,480 doesn't happen very often either. But we 2489 01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:32,320 have less and less of our legislative 2490 01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:33,760 friends that have served at the local 2491 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:35,280 government level before they become 2492 01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:39,679 state legislators. and our roles and our responsibilities are just 2493 01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:42,320 significantly different. Um, and so a 2494 01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,000 lot of the things that I mentioned on my 2495 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:45,440 list are some of these very practical 2496 01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:47,119 where the rubber meets the road 2497 01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:49,360 challenges we deal with, but we're often 2498 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,520 not included in those discussions when 2499 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,360 the legislature is making these some of 2500 01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,840 these big decisions. For instance, you 2501 01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:59,440 know, um when the decisions were made a 2502 01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:03,280 few years ago on water reuse, 2503 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:05,119 um I was with some of the sewer 2504 01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,840 districts that were very concerned about 2505 01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:10,400 um water reuse and plans that they were 2506 01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:11,840 putting in place and ways they would do 2507 01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,199 that and how that would um help with, 2508 01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:16,480 you know, subsidance issues and 2509 01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:19,520 different things like that. and and they 2510 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:22,080 were almost summarily ignored and just 2511 01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:27,040 told we're doing this and your input is not needed and wanted and and so that 2512 01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:28,639 the discussion didn't happen. And so 2513 01:40:28,639 --> 01:40:30,639 you've got these festering problems 2514 01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:35,520 because the the policy discussion versus 2515 01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,320 the practical application of the people 2516 01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:39,760 who deal with those things wasn't 2517 01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,760 included and was missed in my opinion. 2518 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,440 And so going back and trying to have 2519 01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:44,960 those discussions once you've made these 2520 01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,880 declarations of well we've saved the 2521 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,440 lake because we've done x y and z it's 2522 01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:53,040 harder to unwind those and um you know 2523 01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:54,800 we get to spend time with our public 2524 01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:57,119 utilities directors our our water 2525 01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:00,400 engineers our parks departments and and 2526 01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,320 I just don't feel like they've been in 2527 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,560 invited enough to the to the table in 2528 01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,199 many of these uh discussions that happen 2529 01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:09,440 at the state level. And so I'm always a 2530 01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:11,199 fan of encouraging and I I do think 2531 01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:12,639 they're our friends. They just have a 2532 01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:17,280 different lens in a hat they wear that they're not including they're not 2533 01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:18,719 including us at the local government 2534 01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:20,080 level and they're not hitting the 2535 01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:21,600 practical 2536 01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,480 people the the utility teams that we 2537 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:27,920 have and the parks teams that we have. 2538 01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:30,320 >> So what do we do to change that? Do you 2539 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:30,880 have any re 2540 01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,320 >> I hope they're listening to this meeting 2541 01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,000 and you got someone with a hand raised. 2542 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,560 Um madam chairman. 2543 01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:38,880 >> Yes. Holly, if you want to come up to a 2544 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:44,790 microphone. 2545 01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:46,639 » I had a question that's directly related 2546 01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:49,520 to that. Um, at Salt Lake County, we 2547 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,199 have a water conservation committee 2548 01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:53,199 that's it's internal. It's people from 2549 01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:54,480 different departments, interdep 2550 01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:56,400 departmental water conservation 2551 01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,239 committee and we met um I think it was 2552 01:41:58,239 --> 01:41:59,920 last week and one of the materials they 2553 01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:03,040 shared was a summary of bills that had 2554 01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:04,400 been introduced during the legislative 2555 01:42:04,400 --> 01:42:08,320 session this year that impact water uh 2556 01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,480 water supply, water conservation and 2557 01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:12,560 there were something like 15 or 16 bills 2558 01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,800 introduced and the vast majority of them 2559 01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,440 did not pass. And so I was interested in 2560 01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:18,800 knowing what kind of what is the 2561 01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:23,199 temperature at the legislature around um 2562 01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:24,800 around legislation related to water 2563 01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,440 conservation and and what is holding up 2564 01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:30,480 the the political will especially given 2565 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:39,270 the winter we just had. 2566 01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:42,400 Yes, please. Anna. Anna, 2567 01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,719 do you prefer Anna? It's Anna, right? I 2568 01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:46,080 want to say your name right. That 2569 01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,159 matters. 2570 01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:51,280 Okay, great. Thank you. 2571 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,360 >> We had a a whole team of students who 2572 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:54,960 were tracking land, water, and air bills 2573 01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:56,639 during this last legislative session. 2574 01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,239 And that's exactly right. There were a 2575 01:42:58,239 --> 01:42:59,920 lot of bills that were passed that were 2576 01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:02,000 conservation minded or that were that 2577 01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:02,960 were put forward that were 2578 01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,360 conservation-minded that did not pass. I 2579 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:07,840 think it's a that the temperature of the 2580 01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,280 legislature is complicated right now, 2581 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,639 but that uh not everyone even in this 2582 01:43:14,639 --> 01:43:19,360 room I think has the same idea of what legislation is needed to be able to 2583 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:21,679 assist municipalities in what their 2584 01:43:21,679 --> 01:43:23,920 conservation goals are. I think more of 2585 01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,679 these types of conversations to figure 2586 01:43:25,679 --> 01:43:30,000 out where the broader eg Great Salt Lake 2587 01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,320 discussions can have win-wins with 2588 01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,080 municipalities. I think that there has 2589 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:38,159 been a a um 2590 01:43:38,159 --> 01:43:40,480 less communication, less coordination on 2591 01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:43,199 where are those places where where 2592 01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:45,840 everyone can win on certain pieces of 2593 01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:50,390 legislation that would make sense. 2594 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,880 So, uh I for those that don't know, I 2595 01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:54,639 serve as this year as president of the 2596 01:43:54,639 --> 01:43:57,440 League of Cities and Towns, following a 2597 01:43:57,440 --> 01:43:59,280 few steps behind Mayor Ramsey and having 2598 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,520 that role um a few years ago. You know, 2599 01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,199 the league has a robust tracking list as 2600 01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:04,719 well. Many of these bills were on there. 2601 01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:06,239 I mean, one of those that what that was 2602 01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:09,280 really challenging was HB501, 2603 01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:12,560 which um would have included just huge 2604 01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:16,239 significant fees for um for cities, for 2605 01:44:16,239 --> 01:44:19,679 counties, for uh different water 2606 01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:22,719 providers um with a with a goal that 2607 01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:24,560 didn't seem like it it matched up. And 2608 01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:27,520 we we spent so much time and energy on 2609 01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:29,520 that one bill. And maybe there were 2610 01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,119 other bills with with a little more 2611 01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:32,480 effort. You know, the legislative 2612 01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:35,199 process in my opinion is one with some 2613 01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:36,800 sandpaper in the system so ideas come 2614 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,239 out better, but you only have so much 2615 01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:40,880 time in seven weeks. Um, and so if you 2616 01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:42,639 introduce one that's like just a 2617 01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:44,239 straight block of wood with no shape to 2618 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:46,480 it, needs a lot of sandpaper, um, then 2619 01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:49,600 it takes up all the time and 501 did in 2620 01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:51,520 my opinion and it wasn't it wasn't 2621 01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,080 ready. Probably shouldn't have have 2622 01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,159 taken up the time it did. But there's I 2623 01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:57,360 think there's plenty of room for that 2624 01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,000 discussion. um to take place and 2625 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,600 hopefully 2626 01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,639 the right groups and if WFRC can serve 2627 01:45:04,639 --> 01:45:07,440 as one of those conveners for 2628 01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:11,280 better com uh conveners. Um but I know 2629 01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:14,719 that u UAC and uh the League of Cities 2630 01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:17,280 and Towns both have subcommittees on 2631 01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:20,320 water issues as well. Um it's just 2632 01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:22,480 whether or not they're always uh 2633 01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,080 included early on and enough in the 2634 01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,800 process of the water buffaloos at the 2635 01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:28,960 state level and that is an official 2636 01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:33,360 term. We call them water buffaloos. 2637 01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:36,639 Awesome. Thank you. 2638 01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:38,560 Okay, we're a little bit past our time 2639 01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,639 and so unless anybody else has anything 2640 01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:42,400 you really want to say right now, this 2641 01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:44,159 is a conversation I'd love to have us 2642 01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:46,880 consider continuing. I think we need to. 2643 01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,560 I mean, it's not a one and done. campy. 2644 01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,320 We're at the, you know, we're at the 2645 01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:52,800 beginning of things changing maybe 2646 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,520 forever. I grew up just west of the 2647 01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,639 Great Salt Lake and lake effect snow was 2648 01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:00,560 just reality. It's just what it is. It's 2649 01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:01,920 what we always heard. It's what it 2650 01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:03,520 always was. And we just don't hear that 2651 01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,360 anymore. We don't hear the lake effect 2652 01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,360 snow. We don't get the lake effect snow. 2653 01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:09,840 And and if things really are going to be 2654 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,440 changing permanently the way they have 2655 01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:13,840 been the last handful of years, the way 2656 01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,159 we've been seeing, um, this is a 2657 01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:17,440 conversation we need to continue to 2658 01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:19,360 have. And mayor, I appreciate you uh 2659 01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:23,600 bringing up uh the realities of the 2660 01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:25,440 importance of having those of us with 2661 01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:27,040 the boots on the ground, the practical 2662 01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,679 realities of actually managing water 2663 01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:31,199 systems and delivering water to our 2664 01:46:31,199 --> 01:46:33,679 residents and and and also what comes 2665 01:46:33,679 --> 01:46:36,080 theoretical and policy ideas and best 2666 01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:40,719 practice ideas that are um great, but we 2667 01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:41,840 got to have a marriage of those 2668 01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,400 conversations between the people who, 2669 01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,480 you know, we got a lot of good people 2670 01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:49,360 working hard on and and bringing more of 2671 01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:51,119 those voices together and including some 2672 01:46:51,119 --> 01:46:52,960 of some of those other voices I think is 2673 01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:55,040 important. Um if I may really quickly I 2674 01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:56,719 just want to share a couple of ideas 2675 01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:58,800 that that we're doing at South Jordan. 2676 01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,360 We've started um converting our 2677 01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:03,440 publicowned spaces. So we've converted 2678 01:47:03,440 --> 01:47:04,960 all the landscape at city hall and at 2679 01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,239 our public works building and we're 2680 01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:08,960 doing like one major building facility 2681 01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:10,639 every year converting to water wise 2682 01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:14,159 landscaping. We received a $ 1.5 million 2683 01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:15,920 grant from the state of Utah and we're 2684 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,920 using it to convert the park strips on 2685 01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,560 both sides of the entirety of 114th 2686 01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,239 South through South Jordan, which is a 2687 01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:24,639 very long road, and all of Redwood Road 2688 01:47:24,639 --> 01:47:27,119 through South Jordan. With that money to 2689 01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:29,119 Water Wise Landscaping, it'll save 13 2690 01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:30,960 million gallons of water a year. It's 2691 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:32,639 not going to save the lake, but that's 2692 01:47:32,639 --> 01:47:35,600 13 million more gallons. And our crews 2693 01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,600 that have been mowing those park strips, 2694 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:39,119 whatever, now it'll maintain them a 2695 01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:42,800 different way now, you know. Um 2696 01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,800 in uh Jordan Valley Water Conservancy 2697 01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:46,800 District also each of the municipalities 2698 01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,040 have have passed ordinances on water 2699 01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:50,960 wise landscaping for new landscaping 2700 01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:52,960 going forward and also tiered water 2701 01:47:52,960 --> 01:47:55,360 rates. These are all things we can do. 2702 01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:59,119 But I agree there are some macrolevel 2703 01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:00,480 things that really do need to be 2704 01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:01,600 addressed if we're going to get to the 2705 01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:02,880 heart of this. And I couldn't help but 2706 01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,480 think of the conversation we had earlier 2707 01:48:04,480 --> 01:48:06,960 about the surface reauthorization, 2708 01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,639 surface transportation reauthorization 2709 01:48:08,639 --> 01:48:10,960 in the CI and getting to the heart of 2710 01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,480 why are we never going to have the money 2711 01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:14,960 to expand transit beyond what we have 2712 01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:16,960 currently to expand it into Utah County 2713 01:48:16,960 --> 01:48:19,600 to expand it in uh broader ways north 2714 01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:21,280 through Davis County, things like that. 2715 01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:22,639 You have to get to the heart of what it 2716 01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:24,560 is. And once we really can narrow down 2717 01:48:24,560 --> 01:48:27,280 these are some things that we can do to 2718 01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:30,159 literally impact change to get us toward 2719 01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:32,719 the goals that we all want to achieve. I 2720 01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:33,840 think that's where we're at with water. 2721 01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:34,880 That's what we're trying to figure out 2722 01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,119 with water and I think we can. Yeah. So, 2723 01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:39,520 thank you so much for this conversation. 2724 01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:41,199 Thanks for being part of it. You have 2725 01:48:41,199 --> 01:48:42,480 something you'd like to share? We'd love 2726 01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:43,119 to hear it. 2727 01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:47,280 >> Yeah. Briefly, thank you. the so at WFRC 2728 01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:49,760 we are transportation 2729 01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:53,199 people and land use people we're not 2730 01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:55,760 water people we we are not water experts 2731 01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:58,719 and we're not we're not trying to be 2732 01:48:58,719 --> 01:49:02,080 water experts but we recognize as we've 2733 01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,560 been noting the relationship between 2734 01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:05,840 development patterns and water 2735 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:10,000 consumption we we all get that and as 2736 01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:12,880 Ted said up front when we asked you in 2737 01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:14,400 the first meeting of the year for 2738 01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:15,600 regional growth committee, what are 2739 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:16,960 issues that you think we need to be 2740 01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,360 focusing on? Overwhelmingly, people said 2741 01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:24,239 water. So, that's part of why we're doing this. Um, 2742 01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:27,199 and my head hurts when I think about all 2743 01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:29,520 of the groups that are working on water 2744 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,080 issues. There are so many groups and 2745 01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,400 committees. I can't keep them straight. 2746 01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:37,199 Glasses half full. That's terrific. Um, 2747 01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:40,159 we're not trying to step in and do like 2748 01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:44,480 yet another water group. Um but if there 2749 01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,880 are things that you any of you think now 2750 01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:51,199 or later that we could do to be helpful 2751 01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:55,679 um in this important issue or that there 2752 01:49:55,679 --> 01:49:57,280 are better ways in which we can 2753 01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,520 incorporate water considerations into 2754 01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:01,679 transportation and land use planning. We 2755 01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:04,480 want to do that. Uh we'll do anything we 2756 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:06,560 can uh to be helpful in collaboration 2757 01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,639 with all of you that have your boots on 2758 01:50:08,639 --> 01:50:11,199 the ground or feet in the pool. 2759 01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:13,280 >> All of it. um and the groups that are 2760 01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:14,000 working on this 2761 01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,960 >> water for pools. [laughter] 2762 01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:18,239 >> Go ahead, Madam Chair. I just want to do 2763 01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:20,080 one more real quick plug, very practical 2764 01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,239 plug, and it's about water restrictions 2765 01:50:22,239 --> 01:50:24,080 with respect to whether or not uh 2766 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:25,840 residents and businesses are subject to 2767 01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,520 water restrictions. That is a very 2768 01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:30,320 confusing concept because it's like Salt 2769 01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,639 Lake County can't um impose water 2770 01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:33,920 restrictions. We're not a utility 2771 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,400 provider, right? Um that's typically 2772 01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:38,639 done by the water providers themselves. 2773 01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:41,360 Um, but we do have a map online if 2774 01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:44,320 people are interested in what could the 2775 01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,080 restrictions be that are applicable to 2776 01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:49,679 me. You can go online sal.org 2777 01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:52,560 or and find a restrictions map so you 2778 01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,280 can figure out what's applicable to your 2779 01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:56,960 home or business. And it might be a 2780 01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,119 helpful tool for people as we continue 2781 01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:02,639 to um uh just work through the rest of 2782 01:51:02,639 --> 01:51:04,800 the year when water restrictions might 2783 01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:06,800 actually become right now they're more 2784 01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,040 voluntary um as opposed to mandatory. 2785 01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,040 There's a little bit of some instances 2786 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:12,159 there are but it might be a good 2787 01:51:12,159 --> 01:51:13,840 resource for the public. Great. Thank 2788 01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,000 you. Seems like we should do a Ted, we 2789 01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,480 should do a compilation of concepts that 2790 01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:20,239 were brought forward here and share that 2791 01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:21,920 out, right? 2792 01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,480 >> Yeah, great idea. So, it'll be uh, you 2793 01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:26,560 know, 2794 01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:28,639 not a traditional minutes kind of 2795 01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:29,119 document. 2796 01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:30,239 >> Yeah. 2797 01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:32,400 >> Great, Beth. 2798 01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,080 >> So, I really appreciate this discussion. 2799 01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,400 I'm I'm My comment is not on water, so I 2800 01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,880 think you guys did an excellent job. Um 2801 01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,440 I I just have one comment uh based on 2802 01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:44,719 all of the discussions that we've been 2803 01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:46,000 having over the last several years about 2804 01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:49,440 the land use pieces to that and um one 2805 01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:52,480 of the elements that I think can be an 2806 01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:55,360 effective strategy moving on is the heat 2807 01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:58,800 island discussion. Um, for instance, um, 2808 01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:01,040 roofs of residential, roofs of 2809 01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,920 commercial, making them white is a 2810 01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,480 strategically far superior way to 2811 01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:09,840 minimize heat, um, challenges. It's not 2812 01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,520 something that's discussed, but it 2813 01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,280 certainly is something again talking 2814 01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:15,760 about all of these concepts and and not 2815 01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:18,560 wanting to just be um, you know, these 2816 01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:20,320 are the things that bleed out, including 2817 01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:21,760 the water discussion certainly because 2818 01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:24,400 they're all inter interconnected. So, I 2819 01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:25,679 just wanted to put that out there 2820 01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:28,400 because if there is an opportunity to do 2821 01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,960 something that has a comprehensive like 2822 01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,719 ideal or best practices for for an for a 2823 01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:37,040 state like ours, a desert state, a high 2824 01:52:37,040 --> 01:52:39,760 mountain desert state, um those could be 2825 01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:41,599 valuable in the land use piece. So, I 2826 01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:43,360 just wanted to put that out there. 2827 01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,280 >> Um and then this other thing I just want 2828 01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:47,679 to say is incredibly personal. Um, as 2829 01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:50,000 many of you know, there is there was a 2830 01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:51,679 governance change for Utah Transit 2831 01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:56,080 Authority and um the uh full-time board 2832 01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:57,440 positions are going to be transitioning 2833 01:52:57,440 --> 01:53:01,040 out effective June 30 and I myself just 2834 01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,000 wanted to uh say thank you for the 2835 01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:05,920 incredible opportunity to be in this 2836 01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,560 role. I have absolutely loved it. I 2837 01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,199 loved engaging with everyone and and 2838 01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:14,320 really having these really indepth 2839 01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,400 discussions about how does transit 2840 01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,480 interact into your community? How can we 2841 01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:20,639 fund it? What can we do? Where can we 2842 01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:23,199 plan? Right? All of these things I have 2843 01:53:23,199 --> 01:53:26,480 just so loved and I just wanted to say 2844 01:53:26,480 --> 01:53:27,840 thank you to everybody. So, I don't 2845 01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:29,199 really know how else I'm going to get 2846 01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:31,840 this out, but um anyway, really 2847 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,360 appreciate it. And I know that there 2848 01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:34,960 will be different iterations we will see 2849 01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:38,320 each other again in and so I'm not 2850 01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,560 worried about that. I just wanted you to 2851 01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:42,719 know how much it has meant. So, thank 2852 01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:45,280 you. We're grateful for you, Beth. Thank 2853 01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:45,840 you. 2854 01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:47,599 >> Thank you for um you have done an 2855 01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:51,679 amazing job reaching out. I know your your responsibilities have included 2856 01:53:51,679 --> 01:53:54,000 particularly reaching out to the Davis 2857 01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:56,560 County area, but you've done a great job 2858 01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,199 engaging with us. and I I think the 2859 01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:01,360 other area the other counties inside the 2860 01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:04,239 UTA footprint and um so I really have 2861 01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:05,520 appreciated your connection and 2862 01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,760 leadership in in your role as a 2863 01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,320 commissioner. 2864 01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:13,599 >> Thank you. Can I also thank Commissioner 2865 01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:16,880 um she was at our high school class 2866 01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:20,400 reports on human geography seeing their 2867 01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:22,400 reports. I'm just so impressed with your 2868 01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,280 passion and service. 2869 01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,440 >> Thank you. Um, Commissioner Hull Brook's 2870 01:54:27,440 --> 01:54:28,719 also gone above and beyond and 2871 01:54:28,719 --> 01:54:31,599 represented UTA on the HTRZ committee 2872 01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:33,440 around the state. So, the HTRZ's that 2873 01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:35,679 have happened across the region. Um, she 2874 01:54:35,679 --> 01:54:37,119 put a lot of time and effort. We have 2875 01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:39,360 one of those in my city and and it's not 2876 01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,480 in Davis County and she just really um 2877 01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:44,480 has gone above and beyond. We really do 2878 01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:46,560 appreciate everything that you've done. 2879 01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:47,440 >> Yeah. Thank you. 2880 01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:48,719 >> My expectation is we're going to 2881 01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:50,960 continue spending time with Beth. 2882 01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:52,480 >> I look forward to it. This is certainly 2883 01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:53,679 not goodbye. 2884 01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:55,760 >> Yeah. Thank you. I I appreciate that. In 2885 01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:58,080 whatever the iteration, I I love it. So, 2886 01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:58,719 that'd be great. 2887 01:54:58,719 --> 01:54:59,199 >> Yeah. 2888 01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:01,760 >> Thank you. 2889 01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:04,480 >> Okay. Um 2890 01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,000 uh the only other business we have, our 2891 01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:07,599 next regional growth committee meeting 2892 01:55:07,599 --> 01:55:11,360 is August 20th and next Thursday in one 2893 01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:13,599 week, um on May 28th, we convene the 2894 01:55:13,599 --> 01:55:15,199 full Wasatch Front Regional Council 2895 01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:18,159 right here at 1:30. So, uh we have that 2896 01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:21,199 meeting um a week from now. And unless 2897 01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:22,800 there's anything else, I will ask for a 2898 01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:26,790 motion to adjurnn. 2899 01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:27,440 Second. 2900 01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:29,679 >> All right. All in favor, please say I. 2901 01:55:29,679 --> 01:55:31,199 Okay. This meeting is adjourned. Thank 2902 01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:32,639 you all so much. Thanks everybody. 2903 01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:34,000 Everyone online, thank you for being 2904 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:37,239 with us.