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so I'll go ahead and welcome everyone

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then to our third active ant

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transportation uh committee. Uh my

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name's Joy Pro. I'm the mayor of

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Leighton and um I know that as customary

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sure we acknowledge everyone. So let's

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go ahead and do that. We'll start with

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those in the room. So, um,

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ah, I can just go by the view and I'm

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not sure who it is there in the beard.

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>> Sure. Um, I'm Ken Pippen. I'm with

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> John Nichols with Pric.

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>> I'm David Rogers with Mary C.

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>> Rosie Hernandez. I'm part of the admin

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>> Jordan, WFRD, long-range planning. Okay.

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>> Paul, director of planning and

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transportation for Salt Lake County.

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>> Kirby with Avenue Consultants for a

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couple more days and then place

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builders.

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>> Sheldon Burch with the two other Council

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>> Karen Robertson with Utah Trans

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Authority. having quite city.

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>> Perfect. So that's everybody in the

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>> Very good. Okay. [clears throat] Well,

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myself. So, uh, Hugh, do you want to,

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>> I'm Dave Graph, Agen City Council.

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Health and Human Services.

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» Is that all of them?

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here. Um, Mayor Marl, if you're online,

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welcome. Oh.

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saving the best for last. Julie

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mayor. Thank you very much.

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April 14th, 2026 meeting that is one of

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our action items. So, if anyone would if

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filling in um today, but uh you know, as

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many of you know, last month, May, was

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bike month, Golden Spoke Bike Month. And

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Spoke bike ride that occurred on

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actually grown year after year and uh we

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had hundreds of people participating in

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this. So anyway, just to kind of give it

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a a little bit more acknowledgement, you

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can see the photos that they're showing

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here. Um the ride celebrated the 100th

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plus mile of the multi-use trail system

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stretching from Ogden to Provo. And uh

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we showcased it. Basically, it's a good

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way to showcase the work of the multiple

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agencies and cities and the counties

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that uh created a good, safe, and fun

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trail that improves the quality of life

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for all of us along the Wasach front

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special thank you though uh Jordan River

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uh commission they were the ones who led

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the organization of this event and also

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the nature center and at the and excuse

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owie for uh hosting the uh uh the end of

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the ride. Uh that's a big event where

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acknowledge and volunteers which we

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what made this possible. So um a special

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thanks to uh UTA who provided the um the

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transit passes for all those folks that

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trains because that helped a lot. And at

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this time, if anybody would like to um

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express their views or was participated

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in the bike month, we'd uh welcome any

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of your your views as well and and tell

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us about your experience.

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did you have any type of uh bike

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awareness month since this was bike

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awareness month? Did you do anything

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special in your cities?

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Mayor, if I may, um, sorry, I end up

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talking a lot in this meeting, but where

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anywhere day as opposed to a bike to

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work day. And there are several

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breakfast stations. And I mean several,

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breakfast stations set up throughout the

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city. So, no matter where you are in the

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city, you can swing by, grab a bite, um,

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of breakfast on your way to your

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take our kids, you know, and they drop

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great way to just interact with folks.

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fire and EMS departments out um making

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pancakes and cooking bacon at the city

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center and that's that's a really fun

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stop as well. So I always appreciate uh

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my hometown doing that every bike month.

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for the rest of us to capitalize on.

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same day did a bike to work day. Um, but

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it was a really fantastic opportunity

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for folks to see the new facility and

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learn more about the programs that are

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offered at the bike collective. So, it

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pulled off, but we're going to follow up

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landfill here in Leighton, which

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actually it services several different

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cities. Um, but anyway, we uh we have a

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secondhand shop up there, and so what we

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we're going to repurpose them and have a

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bike repair uh day where we're going to

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parade this year. So those are even

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though it didn't happen in May, but we

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coincide with it. So anyway, I guess the key here is that, you know, even

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May, but certainly we're all about

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active transportation and encouraging,

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you know, a good quality of life and

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that we need to be doing that year

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round. So anyway,

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um comment portion of this meeting. So

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this is where anyone in the public who

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you know, be cognizant of your time and

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record and go ahead and uh let us know

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what your what your thoughts are or what

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Trails Network funding update. Um on

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uh trails division will provide an

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update on the active transportation and

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the Utah trail network. So Eric, we'll

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go ahead and turn the time over to you.

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>> All right, perfect. Thank you so much

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again. I'm Eric. I'm the trails division

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program manager with Utah. Uh today

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we're presenting um some program and

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funding updates uh in regards to the

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ETN. So thank you again for allowing us

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to come to present this. It's been I

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think a little bit since we've spoken

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specifically about funding. So it's

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we're grateful for the opportunity. U

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please feel free to interrupt me anytime

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if you have a question. I'm also

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available to answer at the end as well.

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So today I plan on talking about uh

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several different things uh specifically

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related to the funding of our program.

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Starting with funding sources with that

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A to fund uh funding eligibility,

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current and recommended projects, as

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well as future programming cycles.

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So, just to start, I think all of us are

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pretty much aware of what the Utah Trail

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Network is, but just in case there are a

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few here that don't, uh the Utah Trail

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Network or UTN is a relatively new uh

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program within UD do. And really what

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we're aiming to do is to build and

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operate a network of pave trails

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throughout the state that connect Utons

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of all ages and abilities to their

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destinations and communities. Uh what

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we're going for here is really focusing

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on uh comfort um [clears throat] high

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comfort level trails and reliable trails

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that are off the roadway separated um

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for um uh increased usership in that

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space. Um when built out, we're hoping

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that this network will represent

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[clears throat] a regional trail spine

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or backbone throughout the state for

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active transportation. So really kind of

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the main corridor that local uh trails

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can connect into to maximize that

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connectivity throughout the state.

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So moving on to funding sources, um ATIF

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or the active transportation investment

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fund is pretty much the sole funding

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source of this program. Um this uh fund

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was initiated in 2023 as part of SB185.

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Uh these funds are generated actually in

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the same way that the normal tiff funds

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are generated which is mostly sales tax.

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Um however there are some vehicle

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registration fees and license plate fees

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that are also um part of this fund. Um

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but basically uh in that bill SB85 when

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it established the AT fund um we

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received $45 million of one-time funding

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as part of fiscal year 2024 and then $45

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million of ongoing annual funding

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beginning in fiscal year 24 and then

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every year that will come back into our

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fund um in future years. Um, these ATIF

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funds, like I said, they're generated

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just like normal TIFF funds are. And if

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you're a big fan of reading Utah State

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code, um, I have the the code number

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there that really kind of breaks down

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how these funds are generated and

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deposited into our fund, and that's

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state code 59-12-103.

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Uh, the great thing about these funds is

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that they are all state funds. There's

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no federal funds that are inherently

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part of our program. um we are able to

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apply for grants, federal grants using

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our funds as a match, but um we are

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pretty much a fully state funded

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program. Um also the benefit of our

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funds is that there's there's no local

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match required. So um we don't have to,

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you know, rely on those match

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requirements when choosing projects. We

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can really prioritize and fund these. Um

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and then the locals can, you know,

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basically participate in the project

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without providing a match. Eric, I ask a

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quick question on that last one. Sure.

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You said that contributions are

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accepted.

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Does um if if a community is willing to

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bring a contribution that's not

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required, does that influence the

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projects that get [clears throat]

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picked?

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>> Not. It's that is technically not part

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of our prioritization process or

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selection criteria. Um, usually we put

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that in there because sometimes local

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agencies want to provide betterments in

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the project or they want to add

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different things to a project that we

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aren't generally able to provide. So

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they can come with those contributions

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and added to projects to do those

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things. So

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>> thank you.

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>> Yeah, last question related to that.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Is that

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where where you at on right away? Is

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that something the city needs to bring

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to the table?

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>> Um, regional. Yeah, we so all of our

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projects are delivered by EDOT. So we

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just follow the normal right away

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processes within the department for all

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of our projects. It definitely does help

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if right away is cleared ahead of time

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by the local agency. But if it's not, we

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can work with the local agencies and

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property owners to secure right away for

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our projects. We still don't have uh the

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authority to use condemnation around the

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domain as part of our program. Um, so we

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have to work with willing sellers or

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corridors that um have open right away

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cleared already for a trail, but um

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yeah, so just follow the normal process.

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>> Thanks. Okay. Yeah. Um, moving on to

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funding eligibility. So this changed um

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just slightly during this year's

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legislative session as part of SB 242.

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Um, I think we brought this up in one of

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these previous meetings, but the Utah

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Trail Network as a definition was

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officially added to state code this

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year. Um, it really defined what our

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master plan is trying to achieve and the

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master plan map that we generated um

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last fall. Um, and with this new

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definition definition, it changed uh

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kind of how these funds can be used like

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I said just slightly, but I've

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summarized it here in these four bullet

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points. Um so these funds can be used

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for the planning, design, construction,

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maintenance, reconstruction or

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renovation of UTM projects. Uh the

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development of the plan for the UTM, the

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preservation of future UTM corridors and

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administration of the fund which is the

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transition.

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Um the biggest thing here is that

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because we have the UTN as a definition

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now in the state code, these funds

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really just apply to this program. So it

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kind of shelters these funds in a way

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just for these standalone trail

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projects.

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Okay, so moving on to current and

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recommended projects. Um, we've kind of

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broken this slide into two sections. You

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can see on the left there are projects

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that we've programmed in calendar years

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24 and 25. So these are previously and

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already approved projects that are

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ongoing right now. And on the right side

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um we have the uh project information or

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what we recommended recently to the Utah

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Transportation Commission last month

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during the uh programming workshop. So

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starting on the left, um in calendar

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years 24 and 25, we programmed 21

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different projects throughout the state.

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15 of those were construction projects

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and six were feasibility studies. Um the

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project total of all of this was about

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$111 million which included about $10

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million of local government

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contributions to these projects. Um and

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that was about 63 miles of total

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combined you know standalone and trail

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projects from those years. Um, looking

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at this current year, as I said last

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month, we recommended these projects to

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the transportation commission. Um,

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they're meeting later this month, I

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think on the 26 to to vote to approve

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these projects. Um, but we recommended

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25 total projects this year, 13 of those

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being construction projects and 12 of

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them being feasibility studies. Uh, the

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total value of these projects just under

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$125 million. Um, and just just above a

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hundred miles worth of trail projects.

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Eric, we have a question online from Becca regarding ATIF funds. And the

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question is, are they solely for the UTN

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or are they still also are they still

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available for nonUTN projects? Yeah, the

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way the legislation came out, you can

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see with the UTM being a definition was

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that these funds really can only be used

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for projects on the Utah trail network

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as prioritized and selected within our

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program.

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>> However, AIF, so active transportation

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investment fund.

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>> Yeah.

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>> There is also a TIFF active pot of money

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perhaps, not to be not to confuse the

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two.

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>> Yeah, exactly. glber name these is you

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know yeah needed 10 more minutes in the

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oven [laughter]

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active [clears throat]

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what's the

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>> yeah tip active is a separate active

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transportation program that you got that

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still comes from those main tip funds

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but there was legislation done several

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years back to where those tip highway

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funds could be used for active

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transportation projects um this program

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is is very fluid much more fluid than

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the UTN those funds there's not really a

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set amount per year or programmed in the

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tip active program. It's really kind of

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whatever is left over after the highway

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program funds are distributed. Um

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sometimes it's been as high as $20

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million a year, sometimes you know $7

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million a year. So it really just kind

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of depends. Um but yeah, so those that

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that's a kind of an application based

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program with our planning division has

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60 match 40% on the local government

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side.

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>> Yep. Becca is saying yes that was

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confusing and that's very helpful. Thank

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you.

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>> Yes. Perfect. Okay. [snorts] So, uh, one

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note that I'll add here is one of our

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feasibility studies for the 20 24 and 25

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years was the raise grant that we

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applied for a couple years ago in

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southeastern Yeah, southeastern Utah.

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Um, it's about 150 mile feasibility

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study down there, a $12 million project.

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So, we didn't want to inflate our ego

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too much by adding those donors to this,

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but that's that's an ongoing project as

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well. So, all said and done, uh, pending

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commission approval, of course, later

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this month, uh, we'll have a total of 46

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projects out of our program to date, uh,

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with just over a quarter billion dollars

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worth of, uh, projects for standalone

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trail projects and just over 160 miles

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of trails um, in terms of construction

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and studies. So

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um and then moving on to our next steps

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and really future programming cycles. So

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as I mentioned earlier, the UTN is a

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pretty relatively new program within UD

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do uh and because of that we're still

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trying to play catch-up a little bit to

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those more established programs that you

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see within the department like pavements

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and structures. And so with that, we're

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trying to use kind of an accelerated

542
00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:54,640
funding schedule to get caught up to

543
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those program out years so we can match

544
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and be consistent with those other

545
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mature programs. So you can see where

546
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,159
the check mark is. During this year's

547
00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:04,799
2026 programming workshop, uh we

548
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:06,480
recommended projects using funding from

549
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,600
fiscal years 26 to 28. The first time we

550
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,679
programmed, we used fiscal years 24

551
00:22:11,679 --> 00:22:14,320
through 25. Um again, that's just under

552
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,440
$125 million in recommendation. Next

553
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,600
year, we'll only be using two years

554
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,240
worth of our funding this years 29 and

555
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,880
30. You'll see about 78 millionish

556
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,440
dollars of recommended projects next

557
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,159
year. And then after that we will have

558
00:22:30,159 --> 00:22:32,400
been we will have caught up to those

559
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,320
other programs and we'll start just

560
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,640
programming one fiscal year out at a

561
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,559
time during the workshop which is the

562
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,640
current fiscal year plus three. So in

563
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,480
2028 we'll use fiscal year's uh 31

564
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,880
funding which will be about $38 million

565
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,720
and that'll be kind of ongoing year

566
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,159
after year from this forward. So

567
00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:53,840
uh with that that's that's really kind

568
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,480
of the overall high level update for

569
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,400
funding. Any questions that I can answer

570
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,070
at this time?

571
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,240
» Yeah, sure. I got a couple for for

572
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,919
consultants who are helping cities,

573
00:23:05,919 --> 00:23:08,799
counties complete studies for trails

574
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:10,880
that to help them be competitive for the

575
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,080
ETN. What things are have you been

576
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,080
looking for and this year you've

577
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,480
evaluated to say, "Oh, yeah, this is a

578
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,960
trail. This is a good candidate."

579
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,640
>> How can we lay out the study in a way

580
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,799
that helps that process outwards? Yeah,

581
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,280
I think um having a study completed is

582
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,200
definitely helpful for prioritization of

583
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,080
the program. We're actually changing our

584
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,760
prioritization method just a little bit

585
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,760
where we're in future years looking at

586
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,679
the phase one projects on the unified

587
00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:42,400
plan as kind of a starting point. Um

588
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,880
those projects uh phase need by the

589
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,600
communities are our highest level in

590
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,120
terms of what we're looking at and then

591
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:50,080
we'll run those through our

592
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,840
prioritization model that we have with

593
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,919
department. But yeah, in terms of

594
00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:56,320
feasibility studies, um, looking at, you

595
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,039
know, 10 to 12 feet wide trails and

596
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,600
looking at all of the the the normal

597
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,280
feasibility issues that come with trails

598
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,919
like rideways, utilities, environmental,

599
00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:07,840
just kind of laying all of that out.

600
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,760
That structure is really helpful for us

601
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,440
in terms of choosing projects that are

602
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,679
able to be constructed and meet the

603
00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:15,840
goals of the program.

604
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:16,960
So,

605
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,799
>> and then the second one was just what's

606
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:21,200
the discussion on maintenance currently?

607
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,919
What a great question. Um yeah, so we

608
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:25,919
are currently still having those

609
00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:27,919
discussions uh within the department at

610
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:30,799
the very highest levels. Uh we have such

611
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,360
a broad range of responses from local

612
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:34,799
agencies. We've been talking to many

613
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,120
local agencies about trail meetings. Uh

614
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,200
some of them say don't touch our trails.

615
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,640
We want to do it ourselves. We have our

616
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,039
own standards. We have our own rules.

617
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:44,960
And other local agencies say we don't

618
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960
have any resources. Please maintain our

619
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,799
trails. So, we're trying to find a

620
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,400
maintenance strategy that kind of fits

621
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,200
all of those um different agencies,

622
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,159
maybe a hybrid solution. Um this is a

623
00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,400
big component of our UTM master plan.

624
00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,600
It's a planning effort we're in the

625
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,520
middle of right now. So, hoping by the

626
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,880
end of this calendar year we'll have

627
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,279
draft maintenance strategy that we can

628
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:08,000
start pursuing uh and then we can kind

629
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,679
of work it out from there. So, it's in

630
00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:12,080
development. As of right now, when we

631
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,080
program an ITM project, we're asking

632
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,400
those local agencies to pretty much own

633
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,360
and maintain that trail until we have

634
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:23,200
this element worked out.

635
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,167
>> Thanks.

636
00:25:26,167 --> 00:25:28,559
[clears throat] As a statewide program,

637
00:25:28,559 --> 00:25:30,640
um, you obviously trying to hit as many

638
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,960
areas of the state that make sense for

639
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,559
this committee. We have representatives

640
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:37,200
from Tillaa, from Morgan, Salt Lake,

641
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,960
Davis, Weber counties, um, and even

642
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,000
Boxelder. So, what have you done for us

643
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,840
lately, Eric, with these the latest programming cycles? Is there

644
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,120
anything else about the area that the

645
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,520
community represents? Yeah, I think uh

646
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,520
this program and I'd have to I'd have to

647
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,400
bring it up on a screen here, but the the highest number of projects were

648
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,480
in region two this year that we

649
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,320
recommended uh for approval from the

650
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,559
commission. Uh we have a planning study

651
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,080
that I know that we're doing, a

652
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,760
feasibility study in Tilla um up SR 36 I

653
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,159
think it is there from Stanbury Park to

654
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:17,679
Tilla. Um we have in South Salt Lake um

655
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:20,400
the um there's a there's a small gap

656
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,760
project that we did there. Um and uh

657
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,919
yeah we've done another study in you

658
00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:30,640
know Mountain Green to Oregon 67 and so

659
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,600
I think uh I believe it was seven

660
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,559
different projects or so in region 2

661
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,679
spread throughout the region. So, um,

662
00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:42,000
yeah, I'm happy to share a list of

663
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,440
projects with anybody here. Also, on

664
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,159
stiff app, you can see the recommended

665
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,640
projects um for this year and you can

666
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,360
sort them by region and and other

667
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,520
variables, I guess. So, you can see

668
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,000
what's been what's been recommended thus

669
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,799
far.

670
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:00,400
>> Maybe we can throw that into the chat

671
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,000
for people online and include it in our

672
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,039
followup email.

673
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:03,840
>> Yeah.

674
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:04,640
>> Resource. Okay.

675
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:05,039
>> Yeah.

676
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,080
>> Awesome. Any other funding or any other

677
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,510
questions for

678
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,520
» how how often do you think you'll update

679
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,880
the plans?

680
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,440
>> Yeah, so we have a plan to uh update the

681
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,240
UTM master plan map every I think it's

682
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,400
four years with the unified planning

683
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,880
cycle. So any amendments that we need to

684
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,559
make if people think there should be

685
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,880
routes deleted or added or modified on

686
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,080
our map, we're going to try to

687
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,080
incorporate that in the process and make

688
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:39,669
those changes. All

689
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:42,240
right, I'll drop that link

690
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,400
in the chat.

691
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,120
Thanks.

692
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:51,120
Okay. Are there any other questions?

693
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,600
There's And you're looking online. No

694
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,679
questions there either, right?

695
00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:57,279
>> I've not seen any.

696
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,919
>> Okay. All right. Well, thank you, uh,

697
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:02,480
Eric. We appreciate that update and, uh,

698
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,240
educating us on the program. It's

699
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,299
interesting to see how uh quickly uh

700
00:28:07,299 --> 00:28:09,840
[laughter] everybody wants um a piece of

701
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,919
that pie and how again there's never

702
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:13,440
enough funding to kind of take care of

703
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,120
us, but we appreciate that all those

704
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,120
that are involved with it. We'll now go

705
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:18,880
on then to item number five, which is

706
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,480
our um regional transportation plan uh

707
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,279
preference scenario update. So the

708
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,520
Wasach Front Regional Council staff will

709
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,279
give us an update on the progress of the

710
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,000
regional transportation plan which is

711
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,159
scheduled for adoption

712
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:37,679
uh in May of 2027.

713
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,704
So the preferred scenario

714
00:28:40,704 --> 00:28:42,799
[clears throat] of the project is uh

715
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,679
being finalized and many of us has

716
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:48,640
participated and were engaged in the

717
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,440
review of these draft projects

718
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,159
uh for the and gave different ideas for

719
00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:57,679
the RTP in workshops last fall. And so

720
00:28:57,679 --> 00:28:59,919
the Wasatch Front Regional Council

721
00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,440
recently

722
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,760
uh concluded the public comment period

723
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,440
of this. So, with that, I want to go

724
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,799
ahead and turn the time over to them to

725
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,039
give us this update.

726
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,360
>> U Thank you, Mayor. I'll take um take

727
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,080
this item. And if Hugh, you want to hit

728
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,720
the first slide? Um reminder that the uh

729
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,799
Wasatch Front Regional Council's uh

730
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,760
regional transportation plan includes

731
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,480
active transportation which is uh biking

732
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,080
and walking, roadways, transit and

733
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,279
connects all those to um future land

734
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,240
uses uh population

735
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,960
um or homes uh businesses etc. Uh we

736
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,480
develop it on a four-year cycle. Most of

737
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,960
the last plan was adopted in May of

738
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,240
2023. We've had four amendments so far.

739
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,120
We're working on one right now, which

740
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,919
should be the final amendment. Um so, as

741
00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:56,399
Eric mentioned, um all this feeds into

742
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:59,039
the Utah's unified transportation plan.

743
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,039
Um but it's not static for the four

744
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,840
years. uh it's fiscally constrained

745
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,360
meaning that um not only do we identify

746
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,039
needs but we have to also identify uh

747
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,120
reasonable funding sources and revenue

748
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,200
sources for the project. So um that's uh

749
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,760
something that we work on pretty uh

750
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,520
continuously and we work at we have a

751
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,039
statewide uh model uh financial model

752
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,520
that we work with all the other NPOS's

753
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,320
and it's for all the modes and then um

754
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,520
we also have to conform to air quality

755
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,240
um standards that were given uh and

756
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,320
budgets for road and transit broken into

757
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,559
three phases. So this upcoming plan will

758
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,760
go from uh they're really 10 10 year or

759
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,880
decade buckets uh 2027 to 2036 2037 to

760
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:58,640
46 and then 2047 to 55. So um as we're looking at these everything

761
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,279
that we do um is filtered through the

762
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,320
Wasatch Choice Vision goals. You can see

763
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,720
those on the right. They range from

764
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,760
livable, healthy communities, manageable

765
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,159
and reliable traffic conditions, clean

766
00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:15,520
air, housing choices, affordable living

767
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,919
uh expenses, ample parks, public spaces.

768
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:22,799
So, um those 10 goals is how we uh

769
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,440
screen projects, review projects, phase

770
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,559
projects, etc. So, u hit the next slide.

771
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:33,120
H you um as the mayor mentioned, we are

772
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,120
um one year out. So the plan will be

773
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,760
adopted next year. We've already done

774
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,919
some aspirational brainstorming, meaning

775
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:42,799
we we worked with local communities. We

776
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,360
worked with UD do and UTA. We generated

777
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,679
a bunch of ideas to test in 2024. Um we

778
00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:52,320
screened those and developed a preferred

779
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,679
scenario and went out last fall to

780
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:57,519
workshops

781
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,480
and brought that here to the ATC. Met

782
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,720
with key stakeholders. We meet with over

783
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,039
20 key stakeholders across the region.

784
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,440
Those include the universities, trails

785
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,840
foundation, northern Utah,

786
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,720
um key land holder holders, etc. And um

787
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,880
have pretty much finalized the preferred

788
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,240
scenario. And when we say preferred

789
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,960
scenario, that means um a set of

790
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,600
projects that are needed by 2055 or our

791
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,600
horizon year depending on whatever plan

792
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,480
we're in. So in this case, it's 2055.

793
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,720
The next uh phase that we're going to be

794
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,640
working on this summer is prioritizing

795
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,039
those projects. And so that's the the

796
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:41,279
10-year or decade um buckets or um of

797
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:43,919
identifying when they're needed first

798
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:46,880
and then we identify uh how much funding

799
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,039
we have or expect to have in each of

800
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,760
those those decades. Um one other thing

801
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,000
that we have um that's not showing on

802
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,080
this slide is that we have um

803
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,159
exploratory concepts. So, these are

804
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:01,360
ideas that may weren't quite ready for

805
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,760
the regional transportation plan, but

806
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,960
they're ideas that we want to keep on um

807
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,039
kind of on our radar, do some additional

808
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,600
study, uh get some some more support

809
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,360
either from local communities or our

810
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,840
transportation partners or landholders.

811
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,559
Um and then they could be uh included in

812
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,720
a future regional transportation plan.

813
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,919
but we'll have a a the ability to to

814
00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:26,640
show those exploratory concepts on on

815
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,279
our final maps um and project list. So,

816
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,200
kind of keep an eye out for those and

817
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000
then um finalizing the plan. So, we'll

818
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,159
go out this fall to our workshops, come

819
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:39,919
back to the ATC for feedback on the plan

820
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:42,480
um October, November time frame, and

821
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,919
then look to go out for an official

822
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:45,760
public comment in January, February,

823
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,600
finalizing plan as the mayor said in in

824
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,440
May of next year. Back to you. Um as

825
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,480
mentioned preferred scenario um I think

826
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,200
we this is we've received the most

827
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,600
comments um this go around on the

828
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,919
preferred scenario

829
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:05,679
a lot of them revolving around um the

830
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:07,440
little cottonwood Canyon EIS and the

831
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,359
gondola down at Little Cottonwood

832
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,919
Canyon. We did receive a lot of support

833
00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:14,103
for the Rio Grand plan and

834
00:34:14,103 --> 00:34:14,800
[clears throat]

835
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,760
um we uh surprisingly

836
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,960
uh received quite a bit of uh input on a

837
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,040
project up in Fruit Heights for a trails

838
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,879
project. So we've been working with the

839
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:27,839
city up there on some of those comments.

840
00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:29,599
Uh we've been reviewing these comments

841
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,800
with U do UTA and the local communities

842
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,359
as they've been coming in. So, uh, we

843
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:38,560
didn't wait for all 2600 to come in and

844
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,040
then review them. We've been reviewing

845
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,520
them as we're moving forward. And like I

846
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,119
said, we're going to we're now moving

847
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,560
into the phasing component of the plan.

848
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,599
>> Um,

849
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,919
>> J, before you go on, can I just ask a

850
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:54,639
question for our our members that are in

851
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,440
Utah County, Tilla, and Morgan,

852
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,359
right? How how much does this planning

853
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:02,000
process mimic what's happening with the

854
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,599
other agencies that we work with the

855
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:05,839
unified plan that Eric mentioned?

856
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:09,839
>> Um it mirrors it. Um so UD do outside of

857
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:12,560
the WFRC MO area and you can see here on

858
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,000
the map it's uh all of Salt Lake County,

859
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,800
all of Davis County, the Wasuch front

860
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,520
portion of Weber County and the southern

861
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,000
portion of Boxelder County all fall

862
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,560
within WFRC's boundaries. um

863
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,720
Mountainlands Association of Governments

864
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,119
um does the long range planning for Utah

865
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,680
County and then everything outside of

866
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,520
there besides Logan and St. George is uh

867
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,720
completed by UD do. So the UD do

868
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,640
planning department uh Zayn Pulmer is

869
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,359
leading that effort uh right now. Um

870
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:51,040
he's meeting with um each of the RPOS so

871
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,200
rural planning organizations looking to

872
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,240
see what's in their plans. And so WFRC

873
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,720
has a plan for Morgan, has a plan for

874
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:02,400
the Tula Valley. We we've just met

875
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,880
yesterday with Zayn to to kind of hand

876
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,800
over some of that information. They're

877
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,400
going to go through a separate process

878
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,640
and um work with the communities to

879
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520
identify and phase projects with the

880
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,560
same time frame of of uh completion of

881
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,880
that and adoption next summer of 2027.

882
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,760
So our map yeah doesn't show those other

883
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,520
areas of of the WFRC AOG Association of

884
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Governments because WFRC doesn't

885
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,839
work uh with TW and Morgan but the state

886
00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:37,440
does the longrange planning for those

887
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,040
areas.

888
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,150
>> The similar schedule for the plan

889
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,000
» um I've talked a little bit about

890
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,079
phasing. So first uh this next summer,

891
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:51,680
so the next two months, we're going to

892
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,320
work on phasing based on needs. So

893
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,240
that's when a project's anticipated to

894
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,440
be needed. Um we've brought to you uh

895
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,359
before um phasing criteria and waiting.

896
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,680
So um in the next slide, I'll I'll show

897
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,440
you a little bit of where we landed with

898
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,920
that. Um and then um we'll move to the

899
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,680
fiscally constraining or phasing based

900
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,160
on projected funding available. Um, and

901
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,680
that's based on how much funding we

902
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,240
have. We don't have to. We're not

903
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,599
federally required to do a a plan um

904
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,040
based on funding for active

905
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,240
transportation, but collectively all the

906
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:31,920
NPOS's in UD do UTA um think it's

907
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,400
valuable to do that. Um, and it's been

908
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,079
helpful. It's one of the things that I

909
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,560
think has helped get the 45 million

910
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,680
ongoing for the ATIF. um funding for the

911
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,800
active um funding of our transportation

912
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,839
alternative programs at the MO levels uh

913
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:51,520
some local option sales taxes and

914
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,320
corridor preservation funds can all um

915
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,680
be used for this. And so, um, I don't

916
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,440
think we'd be at the the position right

917
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,520
now with those revenues if we didn't all

918
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,200
collectively show some amount of need,

919
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,280
um, on the statewide level for active

920
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,000
transportation and biking, walking, and

921
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,000
then how big a gap we had, how much

922
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,000
money we didn't have available. So, a

923
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,760
lot of that had been used over the past

924
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,280
years

925
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,920
um to get some of that funding

926
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,280
available now for for programming. So um

927
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,760
not only are we planning for it but it's

928
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,480
being uh used to to get funding for

929
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,079
implementation. So on the next slide you

930
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,560
can see here we have uh roadway transit

931
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,960
active transportation and then as I

932
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,320
mentioned everything we do is the

933
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,079
Wasatch choice vision goals. You can see

934
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:43,440
those on the left um for and but not all

935
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,880
10 goals are used um in uh every piece

936
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,551
of our process. So for phasing

937
00:38:48,551 --> 00:38:49,200
[clears throat]

938
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,200
the six on the left are the ones that we

939
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,440
used for um evaluating projects um when

940
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,359
they're needed. Liveable healthy

941
00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,119
communities, access to economic and

942
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,200
education opportunities, manage and

943
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,200
reliable traffic conditions, quality

944
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,520
transportation coins, safe userfriendly

945
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,440
streets and fiscally efficient

946
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,720
communities and infrastructure. So um

947
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,160
you can see there that gives you a

948
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,320
little bit of idea on roadway transit

949
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,839
active transportation how many uh points

950
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:21,280
or where the emphasis um of the scoring

951
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,599
will go for each of the modes um for

952
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,599
active transportation quality

953
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:29,440
transportation choices will get a a big

954
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,079
chunk of the points uh followed by

955
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,480
access to economic and uh educational

956
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,520
opportunities we also call that ATO if

957
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,960
you hear the acronym

958
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,720
Um along with safety safe user friendly

959
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,880
streets there's been a big push with UTN

960
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,040
being separated facilities. Behive

961
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,599
bikeways are separated facilities. Um so

962
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,359
we're giving some points to those type

963
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:53,280
of projects and then the healthy

964
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,880
communities and manage reliable traffic

965
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,640
conditions for active transportation

966
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,079
rounding it out. So, um,

967
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,839
expect a quick turnaround and like I

968
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:06,800
said, we'll bring back a draft to this

969
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,040
group to review of active transportation

970
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,280
priorities and phasing. Um, with that,

971
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,520
uh, take any questions, uh, from anybody

972
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,599
on the RTP process and kind of where

973
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:22,207
we're at.

974
00:40:22,217 --> 00:40:24,240
[clears throat]

975
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,839
» Any questions?

976
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:26,720
>> I have a question.

977
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,760
>> Yeah. Um, I know that uh once our new

978
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,680
recommended projects for UTN are

979
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,440
approved later this month, I think our

980
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,160
plan is to send all of our projects on

981
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,440
our master plan to you guys seat for

982
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,359
that uh phasing need projects. When

983
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:45,119
would be a great time? Just as soon as

984
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:46,960
they're approved, send that batch over

985
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,359
to your team.

986
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:53,280
>> Yeah, for sure. Um the the preferred

987
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,680
scenarios never lock down, right? We're

988
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,960
at 95%. So, we know that there's studies

989
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,480
happening right now. There's communities

990
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,720
doing uh active transportation master

991
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:06,560
plans or updates to that or their local

992
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,720
uh just general plans. So, there things will change between now and the

993
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,119
end of the year. Um, we're going to take

994
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:16,720
a cut at scoring the projects, but by no

995
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,960
means do we just take the scores and

996
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,839
say, well, the first third or the top or

997
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:23,680
the phase one needs, the next highest

998
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,839
scoring ones are all phase two. We have

999
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:27,440
to use some professional judgment and

1000
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,880
we'll definitely take into consideration

1001
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,480
the UTN priorities and we definitely we

1002
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,079
have we need to have the projects that

1003
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:36,400
are funded in the phase one, right? So,

1004
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,280
that goes for all three modes um as

1005
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,839
well. [clears throat] Thank you.

1006
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:46,160
Sorry, can you explain um the alignment

1007
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,319
between the UTN and the RTP? Are they

1008
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:50,960
developed separately or are they jointly

1009
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,720
developed? Like can you help? I'm not

1010
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,119
fall sorry if everybody else is.

1011
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:57,760
>> As far as the UTN, the master plan that

1012
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,520
was developed and I think completed this

1013
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,000
last fall that was done using kind of a

1014
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,160
datadriven process combined with a huge

1015
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,079
outreach effort over the last like 18

1016
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:08,480
months. And so that network, that

1017
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,400
statewide network was developed really

1018
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,240
independently, but also taking into

1019
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:14,720
account all the the transportation plans

1020
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,280
and RTPs throughout the state within

1021
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,560
communities. I think the unified plan is

1022
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,359
taking that plus other projects, right,

1023
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:25,839
and phasing it in terms of need.

1024
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:29,520
>> So yeah, it's exactly right. The UN the

1025
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,000
UTN was developed with local community

1026
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,760
input. Um, but I don't believe there's

1027
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,160
many, if any, projects that are in the

1028
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,319
UT that weren't on local communities

1029
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:42,800
plans. There might be changes in like

1030
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,599
definition if somebody had like a on

1031
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,079
street facility where the UTN needs to

1032
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:51,280
be separated type of facilities. Um, but

1033
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,319
it'll be woven into the RTP. So can

1034
00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:57,119
think of this as similar to like a local

1035
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,839
plan. Um, the locals will develop a

1036
00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:03,119
plan. In this case, I we'll put all of

1037
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,119
the UTN in the regional transportation

1038
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:06,800
plan, even though there are some

1039
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,640
visionary more visionary type projects

1040
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,400
and so we need to figure out if they go

1041
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,400
into exploratory or if they're going to

1042
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,280
go into the deferred scenario. Um and

1043
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,000
then um with the local plans, we don't

1044
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,920
include every project that's in a local

1045
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,880
master plan. uh we need to look to uh

1046
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,800
work with the communities and kind of

1047
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,560
the counties to figure out what's more

1048
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,200
regional should be elevated into the the

1049
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,880
RTP. But um we had a seat at the table

1050
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,920
in in many of your workshops for the UT

1051
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,720
processes.

1052
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,270
[clears throat]

1053
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:46,160
» Okay. Anything else from anybody?

1054
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,680
Okay. Okay. If not, let's go ahead and

1055
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,359
go on then to item number six, which uh

1056
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:55,200
is the Boulder Pier Tour recap. I know

1057
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:56,800
several of you, well, there's about 20

1058
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,440
people that uh joined in the Boulder,

1059
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,319
Colorado Pier Tour that uh took place

1060
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,400
the end of April.

1061
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,640
And I know that on this tour that that

1062
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,000
wasn't just um on bikes, it was on foot

1063
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,440
by bus. And uh so today we have a few

1064
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,480
individuals that are going to share

1065
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,319
their viewpoint and what stood out the

1066
00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:20,240
most to them. So I'll go ahead and turn

1067
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,240
the time over to uh Hugh to conduct

1068
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:23,599
that.

1069
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,000
>> Thanks Mayor. So we had a great great

1070
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,760
representation and turnout for folks

1071
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,040
that interested in visiting Boulder,

1072
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,839
Colorado. And Boulder for those that

1073
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:34,000
don't know is a platinum level bicycle

1074
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,560
community is designated by the League of

1075
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,980
American Bicyclists. Um, so we

1076
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:40,560
[clears throat] went to check out their

1077
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,880
system there, how people get around in

1078
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,280
addition to some new developments they

1079
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,640
have going on, some new urban

1080
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:48,880
developments, uh, how the bus system is

1081
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,680
integrated um, into Boulder. And it's a

1082
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,760
little bit of a unique community in that

1083
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,160
they don't have any fixed rail service

1084
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,319
there compared to a lot of our region

1085
00:44:58,319 --> 00:44:59,680
here. And so that [clears throat] was a

1086
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,359
little bit different. As you can see

1087
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:05,520
from the photos, um there were we were

1088
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,400
greeted and met several elected

1089
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,079
officials and staff beginning of our

1090
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:11,760
first day there. There for a day and a

1091
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,599
half and then um one of the real

1092
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,760
purposes of these tours is to get out in

1093
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,440
the community in the cities and

1094
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,880
experience, you know, what's going on

1095
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,176
there as we're led. So there are

1096
00:45:24,176 --> 00:45:24,880
[clears throat]

1097
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,560
plenty of us very cool things that we

1098
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,079
saw. They have this great pedestrian

1099
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,960
mall there. Um, as was mentioned, jumped

1100
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,640
on the bus to get to the town of

1101
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,160
Superior, which is just about a

1102
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,319
20-minute bus ride away to look at some

1103
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:38,319
of the development they were doing. Um,

1104
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:41,040
checked out their separated pathways,

1105
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,280
um, how they separate vehicles,

1106
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,680
pedestrians, and bicyclists.

1107
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,520
Um,

1108
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,200
yeah, all these great tunnels that were

1109
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,280
there, more protected facilities. In

1110
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,560
just a second, I'm going to give some

1111
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,839
time to Cameron from Green Bike. Um, but

1112
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:57,599
in addition to seeing all the great

1113
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:59,280
infrastructure and speaking to it, we

1114
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,040
had some great time, you know, at dinner

1115
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,800
and after hours. I think we won the

1116
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,480
sport, the trivia night at one of the

1117
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,000
places we were at as a team

1118
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,800
collectively, which was really fun. So,

1119
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,000
it was a great opportunity to get to

1120
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,400
know some of your colleagues as well uh

1121
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,480
on this on this trip and these are tours

1122
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,440
we try to do every year. Uh, Cameron, do

1123
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,200
you mind you were able to come with us?

1124
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,280
Um, do you mind just sharing a few a few

1125
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,880
thoughts about your experience and your

1126
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,160
takeaways?

1127
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,480
>> Yeah. Um, so I'm Cameron Ariano. I'm

1128
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,240
with Green Bike. Um, it was very

1129
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,359
relevant for me as both somebody who

1130
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:35,920
runs the bike share program and as a

1131
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,280
personal bike commuter. Um, Boulder was

1132
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:40,880
really amazing. the biking

1133
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,480
infrastructure, the um cooperation

1134
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,079
between Boulder City, um they have a big

1135
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:49,920
university there, uh the University of

1136
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Colorado, and the integration between

1137
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,640
the city of Colorado and the local bike

1138
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,720
share there is really amazing. Um and

1139
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,560
yeah, it was a great experience.

1140
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,720
Networking and meeting a lot of other

1141
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,640
folks who are interested in active

1142
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,839
transportation was great. Um, and a big

1143
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:11,520
takeaway for me is, um, when we went and

1144
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,200
met with the city, it was really

1145
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,480
impressive the amount of money and

1146
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,920
effort they put in into the

1147
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,720
infrastructure in Boulder. Um, and then

1148
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,560
as we're out touring, it's kind of like

1149
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,480
if you build it, they will come. Um,

1150
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,880
they have, it was really cool to see all

1151
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,480
everybody biking through the city. We

1152
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,480
actually went and did a little break off

1153
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,640
and met with the East Cycle folks that

1154
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,400
are the ones who run their local bike

1155
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,960
share. And it was very impressive to see

1156
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,520
because they give their students uh so

1157
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,280
call CU um gives every student on campus

1158
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,000
a free bike share program or free a free

1159
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:47,920
bike share pass. So it's really cool

1160
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,920
because what you see is everybody um who

1161
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,359
like lives in the city, they're they

1162
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:52,560
don't drive a lot. They'll take the

1163
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,480
bikes into the campus and then ride back

1164
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,800
out. And as somebody who's also a

1165
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,319
personal commuter, I was just very

1166
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:02,079
impressed by that and inspired. Um it

1167
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:04,720
also gave me a lot of ideas. I I also

1168
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,480
handle the planning at our bike share

1169
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,160
and we're both in Salt Lake City and

1170
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,720
Ogden and it was really interesting to

1171
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,480
see the choices of where they put the

1172
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,160
bike share stations, how they're the

1173
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,640
signage, the integration into the city

1174
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,960
and so it gave me a bunch of ideas on

1175
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,280
how we can kind of build our system to

1176
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,079
be more accessible for everybody um

1177
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,880
around town.

1178
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,880
>> Thanks, Cameron. [clears throat] Um,

1179
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,880
I'll add one thing that I really picked

1180
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,520
up on while we were there and we did

1181
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,839
walk to either get bikes or go to lunch

1182
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:39,599
or go to dinner and reflecting on the

1183
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,599
culture there. Anytime that we

1184
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,319
approached a crossing of a roadway when

1185
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:46,960
we were walking, um, we didn't have to

1186
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,680
wait for three or four cars to stop for

1187
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,680
us to cross the road. It was always the

1188
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,640
first car. And I was really, um,

1189
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,559
impressed by that. and they could be

1190
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,160
going sometimes pretty fast, but they

1191
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,400
would hit the brakes pretty hard knowing

1192
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,800
that, oh, people are crossing here. So,

1193
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,079
that was just a really interesting pick

1194
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:10,400
up on the culture of of expectation for when people are driving to expect

1195
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,960
people to be walking and biking and

1196
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,880
reflecting that in their in their

1197
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,240
behavior.

1198
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:18,669
>> I think that is

1199
00:49:18,669 --> 00:49:19,440
[clears throat] difference in that

1200
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,200
culture.

1201
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,319
Why?

1202
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:24,240
>> Uh, fair question. I don't know if it's

1203
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:30,079
amount of time that um is there just the number of people biking walking

1204
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,480
maybe there's um enforcement

1205
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,160
ramifications that people have picked up

1206
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,079
on there also um a lot of red light

1207
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:39,760
running cameras there which are not

1208
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,800
legal in Utah currently but um a lot of

1209
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,760
signage and messaging around

1210
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,440
um

1211
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,880
zero fatalities and um not breaking

1212
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:52,880
traffic laws. So, I'm sure there's I'm

1213
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,960
guessing there are several things that go into that. Makes me think

1214
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,119
>> I can speak a little I can speak a

1215
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,400
little bit to that because I used to um

1216
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,720
back in the day, one of my careers, I

1217
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,400
used to go into Boulder a lot and um you

1218
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,040
know, Boulder's always been a healthy

1219
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,760
conscious type city. And in fact, that's

1220
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,319
the home where the home of uh corporate

1221
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:20,000
offices for Whole Foods. And so they've

1222
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,160
always been just all about health,

1223
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,880
wellness, and what's good for you. And

1224
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,720
so back when it was a smaller city, it that was a a priority in that in that

1225
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,559
culture there. So I think it's just

1226
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,280
permeated and grown and been out of

1227
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,480
respect for for people that uh like to

1228
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,240
be active and understanding that that's

1229
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:42,880
a um they wanted to maintain a healthy

1230
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,760
environment and very much into

1231
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,480
protecting the environment as well.

1232
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,079
So

1233
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,160
>> yeah, thanks.

1234
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:53,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's just one of

1235
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,280
those areas that's really kind of grown

1236
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,000
that way, which I think is cool.

1237
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,000
>> Okay. Anyone else want to comment on

1238
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,030
this?

1239
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,435
Okay. If not, let's continue the bike

1240
00:51:05,435 --> 00:51:06,559
[laughter]

1241
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,359
um topic, which uh I'm going to move on

1242
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,000
now to ebikes.

1243
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,960
Um, as many of you know, uh, we're all

1244
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,599
experiencing this explosion of the use

1245
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,640
of not just ebikes, but any type of a

1246
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,119
mobile device, uh, electric mobile

1247
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:28,559
device, I should say. And, um, so,

1248
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:31,040
you know, this this is a tough topic. I

1249
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:34,319
we do need to review and see where the

1250
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:37,440
current state is of ebikes regulation

1251
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,480
and what it is and what it is not. and

1252
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,000
then um have an open discussion

1253
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,240
uh about your education or strategies

1254
00:51:46,240 --> 00:51:48,480
around this issue because I know it's a

1255
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,240
you know it's a common problem for all

1256
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,480
of us and especially in more of our uh

1257
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,520
fast-paced metro areas and the safety

1258
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,960
regarding that. So I'll um open it up at

1259
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,359
this time.

1260
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:03,440
>> Thanks Mayor. I I'll walk through a few

1261
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,040
things to set some groundwork if that's

1262
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:05,920
okay.

1263
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,240
>> Sure. And

1264
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:09,760
again, I apologize. I talk I talked a

1265
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,119
lot in this meeting, so thanks for

1266
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:15,040
putting up with me. Um, [clears throat]

1267
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,880
part of what the groundwork will be

1268
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,200
based on House Bill 381 that was passed

1269
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,240
this last legislative session. Um, I'll

1270
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,720
have some references to state code as we

1271
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,119
talk here. Um the nice thing about

1272
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:30,720
reading uh bills as Eric you know

1273
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:33,359
referenced state code earlier um is that

1274
00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:36,000
in a bill it'll [clears throat] have um

1275
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,319
all the relevant portions of state code

1276
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,880
that reflect right what's happening with

1277
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,960
that respective piece of legislation

1278
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,440
whereas in the actual Utah code you have

1279
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,440
to jump around to lots of different

1280
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,240
sections and areas to sort of figure out

1281
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,800
where where it is in the code. So, if

1282
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,480
you want to just read the bill, um

1283
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,200
here's you can do reference 381 has all

1284
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,200
the relevant information. We also sent

1285
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,160
out in an email to committee members uh

1286
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,640
just a little nice recap article of the

1287
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,440
changes of House Bill 381

1288
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,359
um last

1289
00:53:09,359 --> 00:53:11,440
yesterday, maybe last week, I don't

1290
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,119
recall. Anyway, uh [clears throat]

1291
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:17,200
but we're going to do some some polling

1292
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,119
work here if that's all right. So feel

1293
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,839
free to join uh here at Slido. You can

1294
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:25,119
use the QR code or go to slido.com

1295
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:35,670
and put in the number 3688480.

1296
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,079
This QR code and code will also be on

1297
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:42,000
the next screen uh case in case you miss

1298
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,119
it. But

1299
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,832
we'll jump we'll jump in here. Hey

1300
00:53:49,842 --> 00:53:50,000
» [snorts]

1301
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,400
>> All right. Do you or someone you know

1302
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,309
own an ebike?

1303
00:53:56,319 --> 00:53:58,319
And if you're unsure, that's okay.

1304
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:00,640
That's part of the issue here. Maybe

1305
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:08,710
they do, maybe they don't

1306
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,319
around the room. Just raise of hands if

1307
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:13,599
you know somebody or yourself.

1308
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:15,920
Yeah. Okay.

1309
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,359
Pretty inclusive. All [clears throat]

1310
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:19,440
right. So, just to reinforce that

1311
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,119
they're they are around us. They are

1312
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:24,880
among us as the kids saying.

1313
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,680
So, why why do so many people own

1314
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,107
ebikes? Put in this little word cloud.

1315
00:54:31,107 --> 00:54:36,790
[clears throat]

1316
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,599
And hopefully this helps uh folks online

1317
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:42,880
and us in the room um engage in this a

1318
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,720
little bit rather than just those of us

1319
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,960
in the room.

1320
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,599
Okay. [clears throat] Cool breeze. Like

1321
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,000
that. Levels playing field. Ease of

1322
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,280
travel. Easy.

1323
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,240
You need speed. Question mark. Easier.

1324
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,920
Convenient.

1325
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,680
New technologies. Prices are getting

1326
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,160
lower. Eliminates hills.

1327
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,720
I'm guessing the sore hip is you have a

1328
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:11,520
sore hip and therefore heat helps

1329
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,520
because you get around

1330
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,648
>> people are not as physically inclined.

1331
00:55:15,648 --> 00:55:16,480
[clears throat]

1332
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,599
I'm lazy. Okay, just so y'all know,

1333
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:23,040
riding an ebike is also exercise. Um

1334
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,480
there are studies on this that um you're

1335
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,000
definitely exercising even if you are on

1336
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,319
an ebike. So don't feel that you are

1337
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,960
lazy, you're not being lazy. This is

1338
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,559
great. [clears throat]

1339
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,040
Um

1340
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,000
all these reasons. So things that um

1341
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,240
thought about that I think are covered

1342
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,920
here. Go I'll go to the next slide.

1343
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,240
um is

1344
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,000
right [clears throat] passengers and

1345
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,680
cargo. It's just a lot easier with an

1346
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,559
ebike to be able to carry these things,

1347
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,040
right, as you move along heavier load.

1348
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,040
So, it can be that car replacement, that

1349
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,640
ability to take a trip in a different

1350
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,440
way um and [clears throat] improve your

1351
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,440
lifestyle, get a little bit again, not

1352
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,880
being lazy, you're just getting a

1353
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,880
different type of exercise and health

1354
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,880
and wellness that Mayor Petro was

1355
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,880
talking about.

1356
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,200
uh people can keep riding, right? There

1357
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,400
was a sore hip, bad knee. um getting

1358
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,240
older, ebikes really uh broaden the

1359
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:23,920
ability for people to continue riding or

1360
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:25,839
maybe ride when they hadn't before for

1361
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:29,008
some physical limitation or

1362
00:56:29,008 --> 00:56:30,160
[clears throat] I don't think anybody

1363
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,760
mentioned this in the word cloud but um

1364
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,000
they can help you fall in love as well

1365
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,390
according to this ei [clears throat]

1366
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,559
or or fall in love again perhaps.

1367
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:45,760
All right. So, we're going to keep going

1368
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,680
with the quiz or another sorry a quiz to

1369
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,119
join. This should just be kicking up.

1370
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:54,640
So, what is an ebike? We asked if you

1371
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,720
know if you own one um if you know

1372
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:57,920
somebody that owns one, but we haven't

1373
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,319
defined it yet. So, let's look at it.

1374
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:04,000
Here are your options. A bicycle with a

1375
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,480
pedal assist electric motor. So, it

1376
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,480
means that the motor kicks in as you

1377
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,239
pedal where assistance stops at 20 mph.

1378
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,359
[clears throat] Bicycle with pedal

1379
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:14,960
assist electric motor where assistant

1380
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,960
stops at 28 miles per hour and has a

1381
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,559
speedometer.

1382
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,640
Bicycle with a throttle assist electric

1383
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,799
motor where assistant stops at 20 miles

1384
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:25,200
per hour. A bicycle with an electric

1385
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,559
assist motor no greater than 750 watts.

1386
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,579
All or none of the above.

1387
00:57:30,579 --> 00:57:31,839
[cough and clears throat]

1388
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:36,319
So where people are ending up here.

1389
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:39,094
>> Now you're going to get influenc

1390
00:57:39,094 --> 00:57:39,839
[clears throat]

1391
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:44,150
always. It's always always

1392
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,960
right.

1393
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,359
A lot to get through there. Just wanted

1394
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:51,200
to see what the live live quiz was

1395
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,079
telling us.

1396
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:53,200
>> Now everybody knows

1397
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:56,960
>> somebody picked all of you up. So it'll

1398
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,760
show up green what the answer is when

1399
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,000
you're done.

1400
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,440
>> It says voting closed.

1401
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,119
>> Council member, thank you. I don't know

1402
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:12,390
why that is.

1403
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,720
Keep it active, please. We're going to

1404
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:27,190
do this again.

1405
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:28,960
» Now,

1406
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,400
is it working? Okay, thank you. Yeah,

1407
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,589
everybody's

1408
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:44,710
horse.

1409
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,599
Okay. [clears throat]

1410
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:52,400
And a lot of these feel similar, right?

1411
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,920
And [clears throat] so again, this sort

1412
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,119
of leads to this confusion of what an

1413
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,040
ebike is. [clears throat]

1414
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,680
And as you all are thinking about that,

1415
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,920
um what I'll say is the language um

1416
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,119
around especially when it comes to

1417
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:11,200
crashes is really important on the

1418
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,720
language that's used around those and

1419
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,400
making sure we know what device was

1420
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,640
involved in that incident. So we're

1421
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,079
really just going to focus on protection

1422
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:23,119
here. So yes, all of the above. It's all

1423
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,440
these things. So there are three

1424
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,280
different classes of electric bikes and

1425
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,520
it's defined in Utah state code. Class

1426
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,720
one is that first definition assistant

1427
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,160
stops at 20 pedal assist. Uh class three

1428
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,319
is that second definition assistance

1429
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:40,480
stops at 28. You have to pedal but you

1430
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,400
can get 28 miles per hour and has a

1431
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,599
speedometer. And then a class two is a

1432
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:47,760
bicycle with a throttle assist electric

1433
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,520
motor. So you can throttle all the way

1434
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,359
up to 20, but then the assistance cuts

1435
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:54,720
out. And in all of these cases, um, the

1436
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,680
motor cannot be more powerful than 750

1437
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,680
watts.

1438
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,760
Okay, good job. So, there's a little

1439
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,240
breakdown chart that Bike Utah has on

1440
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,720
their website, um, which is really

1441
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,720
helpful. Tells you that class one, two,

1442
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,079
and three, and throttle devices only.

1443
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,520
And then um state code now defines high

1444
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,599
power devices

1445
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:19,920
um where if it's the motor only, you're

1446
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,760
not pedaling, get you above 20 miles per

1447
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,400
hour, it's not an ebike. Um again, it

1448
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,720
could be classified as an e motorcycle.

1449
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,520
Um but those those things when we talk

1450
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,000
about ebikes, we're talking about um

1451
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,240
these class one, two, and three

1452
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,040
bicycles.

1453
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,200
This can be found in Utah code 41.68.

1454
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,760
68.102 or dash I guess those should be

1455
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,359
dashes

1456
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:49,040
again if you're really interested.

1457
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,720
So

1458
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,799
in plain speak if the device can exceed

1459
01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:55,359
20 m per hour on motor assistance alone

1460
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:58,400
or has a motor greater than 7 750 watt

1461
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,200
it's not legally considered ebike. Uh,

1462
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,280
the Department of Outdoor Recreation has

1463
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:03,920
this [clears throat] great little

1464
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,559
flowchart here where asks you some

1465
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:09,440
questions to sort of get you to decide

1466
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,440
whether or not um the device that you're

1467
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,160
considering buying or that you own is an

1468
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,559
ebike or something else. And when you go

1469
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:21,030
to their website, [clears throat]

1470
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,599
um, is it an ebike or an e motorcycle?

1471
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:26,079
You literally can click through. Does

1472
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:28,160
the vehicle have manufacturer installed

1473
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,760
operable pedals or cranks?

1474
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,587
>> Click

1475
01:01:33,587 --> 01:01:37,040
[clears throat] click brains and boards.

1476
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,839
Yes. Contain the question. Right. Is the

1477
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:42,559
motor rated 750 watts [clears throat] or

1478
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:46,960
less? No. Right. So, not ebike, maybe an

1479
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,200
electric motorcycle. Does the motor stay

1480
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,520
within ebike speed limits? So it can

1481
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,480
walk you through and we'll share all

1482
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:55,760
these resources, but these could be

1483
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,599
great things for your communities to

1484
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,880
have links to and and what you're doing

1485
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,160
to help people figure this out. Likely

1486
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,359
ebike, likely motorcycle again to help

1487
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:10,267
qu some of the confusion around.

1488
01:02:10,267 --> 01:02:10,922
[clears throat]

1489
01:02:10,922 --> 01:02:12,480
[snorts]

1490
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,240
Okay,

1491
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,400
here we go again. [clears throat] Get

1492
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:22,470
ready.

1493
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,240
So, we defined what an ebike is, but who

1494
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,559
can ride them? Who can use them? Who can

1495
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:32,160
ride an ebike on the street? 7, six,

1496
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:42,630
five, four, three, two. Nobody.

1497
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,400
Anybody? Okay. All right. So, a little

1498
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,240
bit mixed bag here. Again, there's some

1499
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:50,319
confusion around this understandably so.

1500
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:53,498
Um, correct answer is it depends,

1501
01:02:53,498 --> 01:02:55,920
[laughter] right? Adding to the

1502
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,760
confusion.

1503
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,799
So, oh, Pedro pedestrian, you got the

1504
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:02,559
most answers right. Two out of two.

1505
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:04,319
Congratulations.

1506
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:06,598
Um, and Dave as well.

1507
01:03:06,598 --> 01:03:07,119
>> [clears throat]

1508
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:10,720
>> So, the House Bill 381

1509
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,599
uh put a time stamp on some new

1510
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,079
regulation that doesn't start until May

1511
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,559
of 2027. But under the current law

1512
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:20,960
today, if you're under eight years old,

1513
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,039
you cannot have the motor operable or or

1514
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,760
engaged, excuse me, engaged uh on an

1515
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,680
ebike and operate it. you're under 14,

1516
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,640
you can operate in the street, but you

1517
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,640
have to be under direct under direct

1518
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,039
adult supervision.

1519
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:41,359
I will not speak to my kids and how they

1520
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:43,680
use this for fear of criminal

1521
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,899
investigation. [laughter]

1522
01:03:45,899 --> 01:03:46,960
[clears throat] Okay? And if you're

1523
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,680
under 16, no class 3 ebikes. So again,

1524
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,280
those are the bikes that with as you're

1525
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,680
pedaling, you get up to 28 miles per

1526
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,440
hour. [clears throat] So, uh,

1527
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,559
over the next year or come May of 27,

1528
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,319
the law changes. Under 80, it's still

1529
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:05,599
the same thing. Cannot engage the motor.

1530
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,480
Between 8 and 16 years old, you can

1531
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,789
acquire a safety certificate, very

1532
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:12,400
[clears throat] similar to offhighway

1533
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,640
vehicle safety certificates or hunting

1534
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,880
education, things that will be provided

1535
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,720
by the state. If you go through that

1536
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,799
course and have that certificate, you

1537
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:23,920
can operate um an ebike [clears throat]

1538
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,039
in the road or be under direct adult

1539
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:29,839
supervision. If you're over 16, yes, you

1540
01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:33,599
can even without a driver's license. Um

1541
01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:35,280
and something new added to the

1542
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,039
legislation is that if you're under 21

1543
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:39,599
years old and you're operating an ebike,

1544
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,574
you do need to wear a helmet.

1545
01:04:41,574 --> 01:04:42,640
[clears throat]

1546
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,440
So in legislation,

1547
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,240
>> is there anything that has all of that

1548
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:49,920
like the flyers supposed to post to our

1549
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,000
public? Like

1550
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:52,960
>> that's a great question

1551
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,720
>> because it would be nice to have the

1552
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,200
bare basics to give information out to

1553
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:58,000
them.

1554
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:58,319
>> Yeah,

1555
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,240
>> I didn't know if anybody's already done

1556
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,160
that. Well,

1557
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,839
>> I'm going to ask that question and see

1558
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:05,680
if we can volunteer some information

1559
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:06,799
because [clears throat] that I'm hoping

1560
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,119
that something does exist out there

1561
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,839
maybe. So, great question. And if not,

1562
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:13,119
we'll we'll have to put something

1563
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:14,880
together. Yeah. Great. Great question.

1564
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,640
>> And is this um the training going to be

1565
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,880
online? Have we heard yet? Is this the

1566
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,280
certificate safety certificate? Are they

1567
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,760
planning it all to be virtual for it?

1568
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,720
>> I believe so. Okay.

1569
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,799
>> Yep. I believe it will be. And so, that

1570
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:29,359
is in process, which is why it's not um

1571
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:31,280
taking effect until May of next year, so

1572
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:32,880
they can develop that safety course.

1573
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,319
Okay. Yeah. You can be, you know, sort

1574
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:37,839
of on your own. Take it. Okay. Good

1575
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:39,920
question.

1576
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,880
So again, this can be found in Utah code

1577
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,240
these codes again in 381. It's has it

1578
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,520
all outlined for you.

1579
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,000
So the list that we just looked at again

1580
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:57,119
that you put together um spans on this

1581
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:01,039
graphic and tells you ages, what's

1582
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:05,760
required, how you do it. Um, so Cameron

1583
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,000
Carter with like Utah is online with us

1584
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,960
today. U Cameron, if you want to speak

1585
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,480
to anything or any of the educational

1586
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:13,920
materials that might be out there,

1587
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,000
welcome your your comments. Let us know.

1588
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,559
>> Thanks, Sue. Um, yeah, Bike Utah's

1589
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:22,480
website has a lot of information about

1590
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,559
all the laws that apply to ebikes and

1591
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:27,119
regular bikes. So, if you're interested,

1592
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:32,260
um, just head over to our website.

1593
01:06:32,270 --> 01:06:32,720
» [clears throat]

1594
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:38,160
>> Um, so do you know there's been a lot of

1595
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,119
attempts at education to your question,

1596
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:43,680
Council Member Blah, and I've seen

1597
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,000
things on social media, but just curious

1598
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,119
now to open it open up the discussion to

1599
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:54,079
how your agency or municipality has been

1600
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,960
trying to educate people on this. And

1601
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,240
maybe you don't know, which is fine.

1602
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,079
Again, we're all here just to try and

1603
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:02,240
get up to speed and and learn from one

1604
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,559
another if possible. But does anybody

1605
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:07,680
know that their their municipality is is

1606
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,079
try to engage with this and with their

1607
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:13,200
public on educational resources around

1608
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:19,349
these laws?

1609
01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:21,839
» Yes. Thanks. Um, so Salt Lake County,

1610
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:24,559
um, not direct, uh, education to the

1611
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:26,319
public that I'm aware of, but we are

1612
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:30,079
working on, uh, an ebike policy and an

1613
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:32,960
ebike ordinance. So, the the ebike

1614
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,880
policy would apply within the regional

1615
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,319
parks throughout Salt Lake County and

1616
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:38,799
the ordinance would apply to the

1617
01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:42,000
unincorporated county. And it has um

1618
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,680
it's tiered and it has um regulate or

1619
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,160
guidelines I guess about um the class

1620
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,079
one, two, and three ebikes and what type

1621
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,319
of paths or trails they would be allowed

1622
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:55,760
on. So like class one ebikes allowed

1623
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,440
anywhere. Other bikes are allowed. Class

1624
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,039
2 not allowed on natural service trails.

1625
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:03,440
Um and then a speed limit of 20 miles

1626
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,799
per hour on all trails. So, um, so that

1627
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:08,960
this is not this is proposed just in

1628
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,240
draft form so far. Um, but so it's

1629
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,240
apparently a I'm not working on it

1630
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,440
directly, but um it's a priority for uh

1631
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:19,759
Mayor Jenny Wilson and um it's something

1632
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:21,839
that county is interested in

1633
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:23,759
coordinating with municipalities to try

1634
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:26,319
to have consistency in in the rules

1635
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,359
about ebikes on trails.

1636
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,719
>> U Thank you for bringing that up. And you just said trying to coordinate

1637
01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:33,839
with municipalities

1638
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:34,560
>> in Salt Lake County.

1639
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,279
[clears throat] Um

1640
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:41,279
and that is right. If somebody's out

1641
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:43,839
riding an ebike,

1642
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:45,120
they're not going to know when they're

1643
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,080
in unincorporated county or in a city.

1644
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:48,560
>> True.

1645
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,319
>> A park probably. Okay, that makes some

1646
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:55,520
more sense. Um I mean is there a a

1647
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,759
thought or a consensus among everybody

1648
01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:01,199
here that there needs to be like perfect

1649
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:03,679
consistency from you know jurisdiction

1650
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:07,110
to jurisdiction

1651
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:12,070
perfect might be harder but close

1652
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,799
» I just think to county probably mean

1653
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:17,440
they are different cities so that they

1654
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:18,880
because they don't know that they cross

1655
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,719
over

1656
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:22,640
county or city. Yeah,

1657
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,199
>> I think the challenge might be too that

1658
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:26,799
where there's a greater density of

1659
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:29,120
cyclists, that's where it could be an

1660
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,080
issue where there are more rural

1661
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,480
counties or even suburban cities now

1662
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:36,159
there aren't as many cyclist and maybe

1663
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:37,679
they're not as maybe it's not as big

1664
01:09:37,679 --> 01:09:40,400
concerned how fast eikes run compared to

1665
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,759
those aris

1666
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:45,600
like our city very concerned because of

1667
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:49,040
the if you're using a trail at a grade

1668
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,600
as a cyclist without a bike that's very

1669
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,080
the most zoom up. So they had a lot of

1670
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,920
issues upside back the difference how

1671
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,320
fast you can go especially at grade

1672
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,719
>> context context matters.

1673
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:07,189
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's fair.

1674
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:09,520
» Anybody anybody again willing to share

1675
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:11,280
about

1676
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,840
>> usually is Mayor Bond still on?

1677
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,640
because I I I live in Syracuse, so I do

1678
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:19,840
remember seeing something in our

1679
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,480
newsletter, although I don't get the

1680
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,080
hard copy anymore. I have to click on

1681
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:25,679
the link and then scroll through, but I

1682
01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:26,800
just looked up on the website and

1683
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,920
there's a very in-depth section on

1684
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,600
Syracuse City's website. Um, and I do

1685
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,440
see plenty of kids ripping through the

1686
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,960
neighborhood on not ebikes

1687
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,080
for sure.

1688
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,239
>> Not kid

1689
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:46,239
does not have e motorcycles. They got

1690
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:49,120
bikes um or access to.

1691
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,320
>> So anyway, don't know if but I know

1692
01:10:52,320 --> 01:11:02,390
Syracuse city sent out some stuff in the chat. That would be great.

1693
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,600
Police also put out like a little flyer

1694
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,040
that talks about HP3 381 and the

1695
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,320
different requirements that are going to

1696
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:11,440
be coming.

1697
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:13,120
>> Okay. Would you mind sending that to me

1698
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,400
and then we can get it Yeah.

1699
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,080
>> put out today later. Yeah. Thanks.

1700
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,880
And I'm glad David you mentioned that a

1701
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,080
lot of the from what I've seen resources

1702
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,760
put out about this have come from

1703
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,280
enforcement

1704
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,760
departments right within cities.

1705
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,560
>> Uh you know you do a lot of planning

1706
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,960
here and limitation stuff but not a lot

1707
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,440
of enforcement talk. So if you're not

1708
01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,239
sure if something can hear me now

1709
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:43,520
check yeah mayor. Hello.

1710
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,920
>> Okay. Sorry. [clears throat]

1711
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,760
Uh

1712
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,840
We've actually gone to great lengths to

1713
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,920
put out a lot of social media stuff on

1714
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,360
all of our channels as well as uh

1715
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,920
written information. It this is such a

1716
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,239
new part a lot of people just don't know

1717
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:04,070
about it yet.

1718
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:06,880
» Have you had any feedback that it's

1719
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,920
working well or tweaks you maybe made as

1720
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,080
you put out the material? It

1721
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,320
>> it's really mixed. Um there's the good

1722
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,080
and the bad. I mean some people are

1723
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:19,040
really appreciative to learn about this.

1724
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,840
Um unfortunately probably the more

1725
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,880
dominant feedback is if I can buy it my

1726
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,480
kid can use it you know and um so there

1727
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:29,920
are a lot of people who are buying

1728
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:33,520
things first not recognizing that there

1729
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,159
are legal limits to what kids can do and

1730
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:39,760
can't do. And um we we've had a lot of

1731
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:45,440
young kids on uh motorized vehicles and

1732
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:47,920
anywhere they just, you know, sidewalk

1733
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,040
roads just freefor-all. So it that's why

1734
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,719
we're spending a lot of time putting

1735
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:55,760
information out.

1736
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,080
>> Thank you. Thank you for sharing.

1737
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,679
>> Brad, I see you dropped something in the

1738
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:01,840
chat. Do you mind just speaking to that?

1739
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,199
>> Yeah. So, one of the things that we're kind of noticing is that the

1740
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:08,800
reporting for all the ebikes has often

1741
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,600
been complaint driven or injury driven.

1742
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,880
And so, we're trying to get a better

1743
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,600
picture of who has them, you know? So,

1744
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:16,719
we're actually looking at doing a

1745
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:17,840
statewide survey to get a better

1746
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,840
assessment of how many families have the

1747
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,520
different types of e vehicles and who

1748
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,840
which kind. So, we're we've got a lot

1749
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,840
going on that one, but it's still in IRB

1750
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,520
right now. We're hoping to work with DPS

1751
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,520
on getting it pushed out here fairly

1752
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,600
quick.

1753
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,000
>> Yeah, that'll be really fascinating to

1754
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,990
hear what the data is on that.

1755
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:40,640
[clears throat]

1756
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,960
>> This is Joy. I'll chime in. I'll tell

1757
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,960
you, um, the hardest part that we have

1758
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,440
in the municipalities is the fact of

1759
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,040
enforcement.

1760
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,800
Um

1761
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,560
although this is a a you know critical

1762
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:58,159
uprising that's going on um there's

1763
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,400
bigger fish to fry and so it just

1764
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:01,920
becomes

1765
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,360
very difficult for us to

1766
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,920
apply manh hours towards something like

1767
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,600
this when we have bigger things that we

1768
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,760
have to deal with. So that's why it's

1769
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,360
hard on a on on a local level to enforce

1770
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:20,800
anything. But certainly awareness and the state statue when you asked the

1771
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,880
question earlier,

1772
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,120
would it be wise to have something that

1773
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,040
uh would c people wouldn't know when

1774
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,719
they're crossing from a county to an

1775
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:31,280
unincorporated area or from city to

1776
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,199
city? I mean, if we all have different

1777
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:35,600
rules and regulations, it's going to be

1778
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,520
even more impossible for anybody to

1779
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,640
enforce. So I think that from the

1780
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,800
overall point of view we do need to

1781
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,920
continue to work from the state level

1782
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,760
and have you know a good balance across

1783
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,480
the entire state on it.

1784
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:58,560
But again these devices there's more and

1785
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,199
you know that's constantly being evolved

1786
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:03,840
and every time you turn around you look

1787
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,679
and go okay what was that? It's it's

1788
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:09,040
gone from a onehe two wheel to, you

1789
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,760
know, scooters, bikes, you name it. So,

1790
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,000
pretty soon we'll be having hoverboards

1791
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,480
everywhere, you know. So,

1792
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:19,120
again, that it all comes down to how do

1793
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,520
you really regulate it?

1794
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,040
>> And again, I think one of the big

1795
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,040
challenges is so many of the users are

1796
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,880
minors. So even when you do involve

1797
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,997
enforcement of any kind because

1798
01:15:31,997 --> 01:15:34,000
[clears throat] where these are being

1799
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:39,679
used is a big part of what is legal and appropriate. You know, you've got

1800
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:41,440
people on public trails, you've got

1801
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:44,320
people in bike lanes, you've got people

1802
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,159
on sidewalks, you've got people right

1803
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:48,400
out in the middle of the road that are

1804
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,800
on a device that only goes 20 miles an

1805
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,679
hour. That's uh difficult because it

1806
01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:55,440
involves a lot of things. But once you

1807
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:58,719
get law enforcement involved, if you uh

1808
01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:01,360
detain a minor just to try even to try

1809
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,080
and educate them, then you've got adults

1810
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,239
later that have to get involved as well.

1811
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:10,560
So, um I I've heard some pretty wild

1812
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,080
ideas out there and another former mayor

1813
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,960
said that they were impounding devices.

1814
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:18,719
Uh, I don't think that that's actually

1815
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:22,080
legal, but you know, I there are people

1816
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,120
still fishing around with how we how we

1817
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,159
manage this. And so I would love to see

1818
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:32,320
the state uh give more guidance on on

1819
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:37,440
what enforcement measures are legal cuz

1820
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:40,000
you know we we're we're not trying to be

1821
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,400
difficult to people but education

1822
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,560
usually starts when somebody realizes

1823
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,600
that somebody cares enough to tell them

1824
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,640
that this isn't right or you know I mean

1825
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,239
because there there are injuries you

1826
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:54,159
know one question that came up with us

1827
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:57,440
is who's liable If someone on an ebike

1828
01:16:57,440 --> 01:17:00,320
injures a pedestrian in a pedestrian

1829
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,040
safe area and then they claim, well, I

1830
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,760
was on an ebike, which bikes are

1831
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:08,640
supposed to be illegal on trails, too.

1832
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,159
Um, that we're, you know, we're trying

1833
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:11,679
to navigate that. We're trying to

1834
01:17:11,679 --> 01:17:13,280
understand what's the appropriate

1835
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,920
response. So, I think there's a lot of

1836
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,159
questions out there right now, more than

1837
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:22,080
there are answers today.

1838
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,800
>> Yeah. Thanks, Mayor. You you mentioned

1839
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,960
possible impoundment and Cameron Carter

1840
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,040
maybe you know more about this. If I

1841
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,000
remember right the the new legislation

1842
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,560
House Bill 381 does allow for

1843
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,679
um e devices to be impounded by a police

1844
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:42,640
officer and only to be released to the

1845
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,120
parent or legal guardian of the minor

1846
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,080
that it was impounded from. Um somebody

1847
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,600
correct me if I'm wrong on that if you

1848
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,520
know better please. But that's my

1849
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,239
impression. Dam you give a thumbs up.

1850
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:58,000
Okay. Yeah. So legally from the state

1851
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,400
that that is an option.

1852
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,640
But again to all your points, how

1853
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,560
practical is the ability to enforce this

1854
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,159
all the time, right? It's really really

1855
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:07,840
tricky. And so it's a culture thing.

1856
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,159
It's an education thing

1857
01:18:10,159 --> 01:18:12,800
um that uh I think we all need to work

1858
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:16,640
on together. If if for some reason um

1859
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,640
you weren't able to share your resource

1860
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,320
today, please send that to us and we'll

1861
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,480
compile what was been shared today and

1862
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:27,040
we'll look up some other uh try and look

1863
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,360
up some other educational things that

1864
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:32,560
are out there and share them um with the

1865
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,480
group. And um if if there's nothing

1866
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,320
satisfactory, maybe we need to work on

1867
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:39,760
something together that might be a

1868
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,199
simple handout. Or u in Boulder, they

1869
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:44,719
had

1870
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:46,480
um door [clears throat] hangers that

1871
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:50,400
they made and they would if they saw um

1872
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,600
an illegal e device, right, that's not

1873
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,000
street legal, was not an ebike, they put

1874
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,360
a little door hanger right on the

1875
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,400
handlebars to say, "Hey, just FYI, this

1876
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,159
is what's legal. This is what's not.

1877
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:03,679
giving these to you because your device

1878
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:06,000
is not legal. So maybe there's something

1879
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,840
like that. I know Sonic County might be

1880
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:08,960
interested in something like that,

1881
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,425
Council Member Harrison. So um

1882
01:19:11,425 --> 01:19:15,120
[clears throat] yeah, just different ways. And hopefully we can

1883
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,840
I'll get to the best resources here. And

1884
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,719
one thing I'd add even I saw that Trails

1885
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:24,480
Foundation Northern Utah has some stuff

1886
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:28,159
on their web page. Um, I was up at North

1887
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:30,800
Fork on Mount Lake Trails and they had

1888
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,800
little sign that said class one only,

1889
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:36,320
class two and three. Not again really

1890
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:37,920
hard to enforce, but it's again

1891
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,239
education. Maybe it's more community

1892
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:43,040
enforce that you see someone

1893
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,080
and say something, you know, versus

1894
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:49,360
calling the sheriff or whatever

1895
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:50,880
and just be nice about it,

1896
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,360
>> right? I mean, I noticed it on the a

1897
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:57,040
trail sign. So, um, and I I think it's

1898
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:58,640
different as I was looking through some

1899
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,520
of it on forest property. You know, you

1900
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,600
could be on a road

1901
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,360
on a different type of bike, but when

1902
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,040
then you go on the bite mountain bike

1903
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:11,199
trail, different type of so it was nice

1904
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:16,229
that they had them signed at least.

1905
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:19,520
Um, and one thing I think as we look at

1906
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,080
enforcement and rules, we already

1907
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:23,760
together as a group listed all the great

1908
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:25,840
things about ebikes, right? We want

1909
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:27,520
those things to be available to our

1910
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,440
communities and to people, right?

1911
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:31,120
Because of the way it expands their

1912
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:35,120
mobility. So, as we, you know, tackle

1913
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,679
this as communities trying to say, but

1914
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:39,120
we want to be able to move in these

1915
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,199
ways, we want this to be available, but

1916
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:43,125
in a responsible manner, right?

1917
01:20:43,125 --> 01:20:44,640
[clears throat] And so trying to strike

1918
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,199
that balance as we move forward.

1919
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:50,000
Whereas like the state of New Jersey um

1920
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,040
this last year basically said you need a

1921
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:55,280
driver's license for any type of ebike

1922
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:56,880
or e device or anything like that and

1923
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,120
made it really really restrictive. Um

1924
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,000
you know and that comes to to be harmful

1925
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,640
to members of our community that rely on

1926
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,880
you know ebikes to get around and maybe

1927
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,159
you know that's their own mobility

1928
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:10,560
option. So, we don't want to go that far

1929
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:12,080
in.

1930
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,120
Um, okay. One last.

1931
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,990
No, which one?

1932
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:21,679
» Um,

1933
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:24,159
>> yep, you're good.

1934
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:28,321
Um, so that last question of the day.

1935
01:21:28,321 --> 01:21:30,470
[clears throat]

1936
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:33,520
This is helpful feedback for us. Um,

1937
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:39,360
this was new. Some new themes are

1938
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:41,199
not new, but it was a good review for a

1939
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:43,386
job.

1940
01:21:43,386 --> 01:21:57,030
[laughter]

1941
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,239
And if you have specific questions um

1942
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:01,840
you don't want to again share today or

1943
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,159
resources please reach out and have to

1944
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:05,920
engage with you and provide assistance

1945
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,480
where we can but again uh great partners

1946
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,159
out there a lot of police departments

1947
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:11,920
are doing things in this regard bike

1948
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,639
Utah some great resources we mentioned

1949
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:18,080
the office of outdoor recreation and the

1950
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,440
it says an e bike or an e motorcycle. Um

1951
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:23,679
we'll make sure all these get out into

1952
01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:28,320
our followup now as well. So I think

1953
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,840
it's glad glad to see that there was

1954
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,239
some new material here and some things

1955
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:35,040
for for us all to think about moving

1956
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:37,199
forward.

1957
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:40,400
Okay, thanks Mayor. I think that's uh

1958
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,920
all on that topic. Okay. Well, uh that

1959
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,840
was actually our last topic of

1960
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:48,639
discussion on the agenda, but if the

1961
01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:50,320
there's any other business, you know,

1962
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,280
certainly pop it up now. Otherwise, um I

1963
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,520
just want to make sure that all you guys

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01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,239
mark August 11th as our next meeting

1965
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:01,840
that we'll be holding. And um certainly

1966
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,520
I appreciate all the participation and

1967
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,760
the information that was shared today.

1968
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,719
And if there's no other business, I'll

1969
01:23:08,719 --> 01:23:11,760
entertain a motion to adjurnn.

1970
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,120
So moved.

1971
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:18,790
>> Thank you. Is there a second?

1972
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,982
» I'll second it.

1973
01:23:20,982 --> 01:23:23,189
[laughter]

1974
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:24,639
» I was going to say you guys are too

1975
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:27,760
quiet. Anyway, thanks again and make

1976
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,480
sure you travel safe today and we

1977
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:31,679
appreciate you taking time out of your

1978
01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:33,600
busy schedules.

1979
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,440
>> Bye everybody.

1980
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,360
>> Bye.

1981
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,159
Dr. Eric