[0:00] Well,
[0:03] so I'll go ahead and welcome everyone
[0:05] then to our third active ant
[0:08] transportation uh committee. Uh my
[0:10] name's Joy Pro. I'm the mayor of
[0:12] Leighton and um I know that as customary
[0:16] we like to go around the room and make
[0:18] sure we acknowledge everyone. So let's
[0:21] go ahead and do that. We'll start with
[0:22] those in the room. So, um,
[0:26] ah, I can just go by the view and I'm
[0:29] not sure who it is there in the beard.
[0:32] Why don't we start at that end? Yes,
[0:33] let's start there and go around the
[0:34] room.
[0:35] >> Sure. Um, I'm Ken Pippen. I'm with
[0:38] Trails Foundation in Northern Utah.
[0:41] >> Okay. Thank you.
[0:42] >> John Nichols with Pric.
[0:44] >> I'm David Rogers with Mary C.
[0:46] >> Rosie Hernandez. I'm part of the admin
[0:48] team at WFRC.
[0:51] >> Huan Lagman with WFRC.
[0:55] Miranda Jones Cox with Los Regional.
[0:58] >> Jordan, WFRD, long-range planning. Okay.
[1:01] >> Paul, director of planning and
[1:03] transportation for Salt Lake County.
[1:06] >> Kirby with Avenue Consultants for a
[1:08] couple more days and then place
[1:09] builders.
[1:12] >> Cameron Ariano, operations director with
[1:14] Green Bike.
[1:16] >> Sheldon Burch with the two other Council
[1:18] Governments.
[1:19] >> Karen Robertson with Utah Trans
[1:20] Authority. having quite city.
[1:24] [clears throat]
[1:24] >> Perfect. So that's everybody in the
[1:26] room, right?
[1:28] >> Have one more join us.
[1:29] >> Yeah.
[1:31] >> Eric with division.
[1:34] >> Very good. Okay. [clears throat] Well,
[1:36] if that's everyone in the room, then
[1:38] let's just go ahead and do uh online. Um
[1:41] like I said, I've already introduced
[1:42] myself. So, uh, Hugh, do you want to,
[1:46] uh, use your,
[1:48] uh, monitor there to call everyone out?
[1:51] >> Yeah, absolutely. So, I'll, um, call out
[1:54] some folks and then just introduce
[1:56] yourselves. Let's start with Dave Graph
[1:59] and then Brett McKiff and then Ivan
[2:01] Hooper.
[2:02] >> I'm Dave Graph, Agen City Council.
[2:05] [snorts]
[2:06] >> I'm Brent Matiff, Utah Department of
[2:08] Health and Human Services.
[2:10] Ivan Hooper, Sandy City transportation
[2:13] engineer.
[2:15] >> Thank you. And then we'll go Vendelene
[2:17] Cameron Carter and Mayor M.
[2:21] >> Hi, I am Vendelene Kopl and I'm with
[2:24] Midwell City in the planning department.
[2:29] » Hi, I'm Cameron Carter. I am a planner
[2:31] with Bike Utah.
[2:37] » Is that all of them?
[2:39] Nope. We're gonna go another second
[2:41] here. Um, Mayor Marl, if you're online,
[2:43] welcome. Oh.
[2:48] » Oh, thank you.
[2:50] Thanks for being here with Alpine City.
[2:53] No, um, Anamaki,
[2:57] Mayor Man, and then Scott Shay.
[3:01] Morning Macki with Park City Municipal.
[3:11] and Mayor Dave of Syracuse is with us.
[3:13] Scott?
[3:15] >> Yeah, Scott with ACOM.
[3:19] [clears throat]
[3:20] >> Okay.
[3:20] >> Um, let's do
[3:23] Becca Rolf, Thomas Wen, and Council
[3:27] Member Harris.
[3:30] >> Becca Rolf, Salt Lake City
[3:31] Transportation.
[3:34] Hi, Thomas Wen. I'm with the Dixie MP.
[3:37] I'm just here to sit in and listen.
[3:40] >> Hi, there's Suzanne Harrison, Salt Lake
[3:43] County Councilwoman.
[3:45] >> Thank you, Council
[3:47] >> and Dee if you're with us.
[3:50] >> Hi, good morning. This is Dee Murray
[3:52] with the Utah Transit Authority.
[3:55] >> Great. And then Sarah and Julie.
[4:01] >> Yeah. Sarah Lawless, WRC staff.
[4:05] saving the best for last. Julie
[4:07] Bjornstead with WRC staff.
[4:10] >> Anybody else that wants to go? So,
[4:11] Julie's not last. [laughter]
[4:14] >> Okay. I think that that is everybody,
[4:16] mayor. Thank you very much.
[4:18] [clears throat]
[4:18] >> Okay. Well, sounds like we got a good
[4:20] group today for our meeting and um you
[4:22] know, I'd like to just go ahead and jump
[4:24] into it. Typically, what we do is we
[4:26] take care of our minutes first. So, we
[4:28] do have a set of minutes uh from the
[4:31] April 14th, 2026 meeting that is one of
[4:35] our action items. So, if anyone would if
[4:38] there's no corrections to it, then if
[4:39] anyone would like to make a motion, I'll
[4:41] entertain that.
[4:48] » So moved.
[4:49] >> Thank you.
[4:50] >> I'll second.
[4:52] >> Okay. Thank you everyone. Um so those
[4:54] voting members, all in favor say I. I
[4:59] >> Okay. Any oppose?
[5:01] Okay. Thank you very much. Our uh
[5:03] minutes passed. Then we'll now go down
[5:05] to um the chair's report, which um I'm
[5:09] filling in um today, but uh you know, as
[5:14] many of you know, last month, May, was
[5:16] bike month, Golden Spoke Bike Month. And
[5:19] actually, it was the 9th annual Golden
[5:22] Spoke bike ride that occurred on
[5:24] Saturday, May 16th. And there was a it
[5:27] was a huge success. This bike ride has
[5:30] actually grown year after year and uh we
[5:32] had hundreds of people participating in
[5:34] this. So anyway, just to kind of give it
[5:37] a a little bit more acknowledgement, you
[5:39] can see the photos that they're showing
[5:41] here. Um the ride celebrated the 100th
[5:46] plus mile of the multi-use trail system
[5:50] stretching from Ogden to Provo. And uh
[5:53] we showcased it. Basically, it's a good
[5:56] way to showcase the work of the multiple
[5:58] agencies and cities and the counties
[6:00] that uh created a good, safe, and fun
[6:04] trail that improves the quality of life
[6:08] for all of us along the Wasach front
[6:09] here. So, all of those that took place,
[6:11] we really want to say thank you. As a
[6:14] special thank you though uh Jordan River
[6:17] uh commission they were the ones who led
[6:20] the organization of this event and also
[6:23] the nature center and at the and excuse
[6:28] me if I announce this wrong it's pay owl
[6:32] owie for uh hosting the uh uh the end of
[6:37] the ride. Uh that's a big event where
[6:40] everybody gets together uh along with a
[6:42] few other partners that we also want to
[6:44] acknowledge and volunteers which we
[6:46] really appreciate that because that's
[6:48] what made this possible. So um a special
[6:51] thanks to uh UTA who provided the um the
[6:56] transit passes for all those folks that
[6:59] wanted to participate and uh ride the
[7:01] trains because that helped a lot. And at
[7:05] this time, if anybody would like to um
[7:08] express their views or was participated
[7:11] in the bike month, we'd uh welcome any
[7:13] of your your views as well and and tell
[7:16] us about your experience.
[7:22] So, anybody in the room there or online,
[7:25] did you have any type of uh bike
[7:29] awareness month since this was bike
[7:31] awareness month? Did you do anything
[7:32] special in your cities?
[7:36] Mayor, if I may, um, sorry, I end up
[7:38] talking a lot in this meeting, but where
[7:41] I live in Provo, they do a bike to
[7:43] anywhere day as opposed to a bike to
[7:45] work day. And there are several
[7:47] breakfast stations. And I mean several,
[7:49] I mean there's probably 15 to 20
[7:51] breakfast stations set up throughout the
[7:52] city. So, no matter where you are in the
[7:55] city, you can swing by, grab a bite, um,
[7:57] of breakfast on your way to your
[7:59] destination in the morning. And um we
[8:03] take our kids, you know, and they drop
[8:04] them off at school and there's lots of
[8:06] people out in the community and it's a
[8:08] great way to just interact with folks.
[8:09] The city center hosts they have their
[8:12] fire and EMS departments out um making
[8:15] pancakes and cooking bacon at the city
[8:17] center and that's that's a really fun
[8:19] stop as well. So I always appreciate uh
[8:22] my hometown doing that every bike month.
[8:25] >> That's a great idea. That's a good one
[8:27] for the rest of us to capitalize on.
[8:29] Anyone else had any experiences or want
[8:32] to share with us?
[8:36] » Um, uh, this is Dee Murray with UTA. I
[8:38] do want to share that at, uh, the Utah
[8:41] Transit Authority, our green team, um,
[8:44] toured the Salt Lake City Bicycle
[8:46] Collective
[8:48] >> as part of bike month. We also on the
[8:50] same day did a bike to work day. Um, but
[8:53] it was a really fantastic opportunity
[8:55] for folks to see the new facility and
[8:58] learn more about the programs that are
[8:59] offered at the bike collective. So, it
[9:02] was a really great way to connect with
[9:04] the folks that work there and learn more
[9:06] about their programs.
[9:09] That's a good one.
[9:12] Okay.
[9:14] Anyone else wish to share?
[9:18] I can tell you one thing that uh I
[9:21] started in May. We didn't quite get it
[9:24] pulled off, but we're going to follow up
[9:26] with it, and that's with our our
[9:28] landfill here in Leighton, which
[9:30] actually it services several different
[9:32] cities. Um, but anyway, we uh we have a
[9:37] secondhand shop up there, and so what we
[9:39] want to do is encourage biking. So,
[9:43] we're having um a lot of folks bring
[9:45] their bikes that they would normally
[9:47] just take out into the landfill and
[9:49] we're going to repurpose them and have a
[9:50] bike repair uh day where we're going to
[9:53] do that. And then in addition to it for
[9:56] Leighton here, what we've done is we've
[9:58] um starting our parade with a kids
[10:01] bikes. So, all of the kids who want to
[10:04] be in the parade get to decorate their
[10:05] bikes and they're going to lead out our
[10:07] parade this year. So those are even
[10:10] though it didn't happen in May, but we
[10:12] planned these two events to kind of
[10:13] coincide with it. So anyway, I guess the key here is that, you know, even
[10:18] though the awareness is the month of
[10:21] May, but certainly we're all about
[10:24] active transportation and encouraging,
[10:26] you know, a good quality of life and
[10:27] that we need to be doing that year
[10:28] round. So anyway,
[10:31] um if there's no other comments, then
[10:32] we'll go ahead and go to um our public
[10:36] um comment portion of this meeting. So
[10:38] this is where anyone in the public who
[10:40] wishes to address us, you're more than
[10:42] welcome to. We ask that you kind of um
[10:45] you know, be cognizant of your time and
[10:48] um but please state your name for the
[10:50] record and go ahead and uh let us know
[10:52] what your what your thoughts are or what
[10:54] your concerns are.
[10:59] Mayor, I don't see anybody in the room.
[11:02] >> Okay.
[11:06] » We had one person online, right?
[11:10] [clears throat]
[11:11] >> Okay. Well, if there's no public
[11:14] comments, then let's go ahead and go on
[11:16] to item number four, which is the Utah
[11:19] Trails Network funding update. Um on
[11:24] this
[11:26] um I think Eric uh Bule from the UD do
[11:30] uh trails division will provide an
[11:33] update on the active transportation and
[11:35] investment funds that provides money for
[11:38] the Utah trail network. So Eric, we'll
[11:41] go ahead and turn the time over to you.
[11:43] >> All right, perfect. Thank you so much
[11:45] again. I'm Eric. I'm the trails division
[11:47] program manager with Utah. Uh today
[11:49] we're presenting um some program and
[11:52] funding updates uh in regards to the
[11:54] ETN. So thank you again for allowing us
[11:56] to come to present this. It's been I
[11:58] think a little bit since we've spoken
[11:59] specifically about funding. So it's
[12:01] we're grateful for the opportunity. U
[12:03] please feel free to interrupt me anytime
[12:05] if you have a question. I'm also
[12:06] available to answer at the end as well.
[12:09] So today I plan on talking about uh
[12:11] several different things uh specifically
[12:12] related to the funding of our program.
[12:14] Starting with funding sources with that
[12:17] A to fund uh funding eligibility,
[12:20] current and recommended projects, as
[12:22] well as future programming cycles.
[12:25] So, just to start, I think all of us are
[12:27] pretty much aware of what the Utah Trail
[12:29] Network is, but just in case there are a
[12:31] few here that don't, uh the Utah Trail
[12:33] Network or UTN is a relatively new uh
[12:36] program within UD do. And really what
[12:38] we're aiming to do is to build and
[12:39] operate a network of pave trails
[12:41] throughout the state that connect Utons
[12:43] of all ages and abilities to their
[12:44] destinations and communities. Uh what
[12:47] we're going for here is really focusing
[12:48] on uh comfort um [clears throat] high
[12:51] comfort level trails and reliable trails
[12:54] that are off the roadway separated um
[12:56] for um uh increased usership in that
[13:00] space. Um when built out, we're hoping
[13:02] that this network will represent
[13:04] [clears throat] a regional trail spine
[13:06] or backbone throughout the state for
[13:07] active transportation. So really kind of
[13:10] the main corridor that local uh trails
[13:13] can connect into to maximize that
[13:15] connectivity throughout the state.
[13:17] So moving on to funding sources, um ATIF
[13:21] or the active transportation investment
[13:23] fund is pretty much the sole funding
[13:25] source of this program. Um this uh fund
[13:28] was initiated in 2023 as part of SB185.
[13:33] Uh these funds are generated actually in
[13:35] the same way that the normal tiff funds
[13:36] are generated which is mostly sales tax.
[13:39] Um however there are some vehicle
[13:41] registration fees and license plate fees
[13:43] that are also um part of this fund. Um
[13:46] but basically uh in that bill SB85 when
[13:50] it established the AT fund um we
[13:53] received $45 million of one-time funding
[13:56] as part of fiscal year 2024 and then $45
[13:59] million of ongoing annual funding
[14:01] beginning in fiscal year 24 and then
[14:04] every year that will come back into our
[14:06] fund um in future years. Um, these ATIF
[14:10] funds, like I said, they're generated
[14:12] just like normal TIFF funds are. And if
[14:14] you're a big fan of reading Utah State
[14:15] code, um, I have the the code number
[14:19] there that really kind of breaks down
[14:20] how these funds are generated and
[14:22] deposited into our fund, and that's
[14:24] state code 59-12-103.
[14:27] Uh, the great thing about these funds is
[14:29] that they are all state funds. There's
[14:30] no federal funds that are inherently
[14:33] part of our program. um we are able to
[14:35] apply for grants, federal grants using
[14:38] our funds as a match, but um we are
[14:41] pretty much a fully state funded
[14:43] program. Um also the benefit of our
[14:45] funds is that there's there's no local
[14:47] match required. So um we don't have to,
[14:51] you know, rely on those match
[14:52] requirements when choosing projects. We
[14:54] can really prioritize and fund these. Um
[14:56] and then the locals can, you know,
[14:59] basically participate in the project
[15:00] without providing a match. Eric, I ask a
[15:03] quick question on that last one. Sure.
[15:05] You said that contributions are
[15:08] accepted.
[15:09] Does um if if a community is willing to
[15:12] bring a contribution that's not
[15:14] required, does that influence the
[15:16] projects that get [clears throat]
[15:17] picked?
[15:18] >> Not. It's that is technically not part
[15:21] of our prioritization process or
[15:23] selection criteria. Um, usually we put
[15:25] that in there because sometimes local
[15:28] agencies want to provide betterments in
[15:29] the project or they want to add
[15:31] different things to a project that we
[15:33] aren't generally able to provide. So
[15:35] they can come with those contributions
[15:36] and added to projects to do those
[15:39] things. So
[15:40] >> thank you.
[15:40] >> Yeah, last question related to that.
[15:42] >> Yeah.
[15:43] >> Is that
[15:46] where where you at on right away? Is
[15:48] that something the city needs to bring
[15:50] to the table?
[15:50] >> Um, regional. Yeah, we so all of our
[15:54] projects are delivered by EDOT. So we
[15:56] just follow the normal right away
[15:57] processes within the department for all
[16:00] of our projects. It definitely does help
[16:02] if right away is cleared ahead of time
[16:04] by the local agency. But if it's not, we
[16:07] can work with the local agencies and
[16:08] property owners to secure right away for
[16:10] our projects. We still don't have uh the
[16:13] authority to use condemnation around the
[16:15] domain as part of our program. Um, so we
[16:17] have to work with willing sellers or
[16:19] corridors that um have open right away
[16:22] cleared already for a trail, but um
[16:26] yeah, so just follow the normal process.
[16:29] >> Thanks. Okay. Yeah. Um, moving on to
[16:32] funding eligibility. So this changed um
[16:35] just slightly during this year's
[16:36] legislative session as part of SB 242.
[16:39] Um, I think we brought this up in one of
[16:41] these previous meetings, but the Utah
[16:43] Trail Network as a definition was
[16:45] officially added to state code this
[16:46] year. Um, it really defined what our
[16:48] master plan is trying to achieve and the
[16:50] master plan map that we generated um
[16:52] last fall. Um, and with this new
[16:55] definition definition, it changed uh
[16:58] kind of how these funds can be used like
[17:00] I said just slightly, but I've
[17:01] summarized it here in these four bullet
[17:03] points. Um so these funds can be used
[17:05] for the planning, design, construction,
[17:07] maintenance, reconstruction or
[17:09] renovation of UTM projects. Uh the
[17:11] development of the plan for the UTM, the
[17:13] preservation of future UTM corridors and
[17:16] administration of the fund which is the
[17:18] transition.
[17:20] Um the biggest thing here is that
[17:22] because we have the UTN as a definition
[17:24] now in the state code, these funds
[17:26] really just apply to this program. So it
[17:28] kind of shelters these funds in a way
[17:30] just for these standalone trail
[17:32] projects.
[17:35] Okay, so moving on to current and
[17:36] recommended projects. Um, we've kind of
[17:38] broken this slide into two sections. You
[17:40] can see on the left there are projects
[17:42] that we've programmed in calendar years
[17:44] 24 and 25. So these are previously and
[17:47] already approved projects that are
[17:49] ongoing right now. And on the right side
[17:52] um we have the uh project information or
[17:55] what we recommended recently to the Utah
[17:57] Transportation Commission last month
[17:59] during the uh programming workshop. So
[18:02] starting on the left, um in calendar
[18:03] years 24 and 25, we programmed 21
[18:06] different projects throughout the state.
[18:08] 15 of those were construction projects
[18:10] and six were feasibility studies. Um the
[18:13] project total of all of this was about
[18:14] $111 million which included about $10
[18:17] million of local government
[18:18] contributions to these projects. Um and
[18:21] that was about 63 miles of total
[18:24] combined you know standalone and trail
[18:26] projects from those years. Um, looking
[18:30] at this current year, as I said last
[18:31] month, we recommended these projects to
[18:33] the transportation commission. Um,
[18:35] they're meeting later this month, I
[18:37] think on the 26 to to vote to approve
[18:39] these projects. Um, but we recommended
[18:42] 25 total projects this year, 13 of those
[18:45] being construction projects and 12 of
[18:47] them being feasibility studies. Uh, the
[18:50] total value of these projects just under
[18:52] $125 million. Um, and just just above a
[18:55] hundred miles worth of trail projects.
[18:59] Eric, we have a question online from Becca regarding ATIF funds. And the
[19:05] question is, are they solely for the UTN
[19:08] or are they still also are they still
[19:10] available for nonUTN projects? Yeah, the
[19:14] way the legislation came out, you can
[19:16] see with the UTM being a definition was
[19:19] that these funds really can only be used
[19:22] for projects on the Utah trail network
[19:25] as prioritized and selected within our
[19:27] program.
[19:28] >> However, AIF, so active transportation
[19:32] investment fund.
[19:33] >> Yeah.
[19:33] >> There is also a TIFF active pot of money
[19:37] perhaps, not to be not to confuse the
[19:39] two.
[19:40] >> Yeah, exactly. glber name these is you
[19:43] know yeah needed 10 more minutes in the
[19:46] oven [laughter]
[19:48] active [clears throat]
[19:50] what's the
[19:51] >> yeah tip active is a separate active
[19:53] transportation program that you got that
[19:55] still comes from those main tip funds
[19:58] but there was legislation done several
[20:00] years back to where those tip highway
[20:02] funds could be used for active
[20:03] transportation projects um this program
[20:06] is is very fluid much more fluid than
[20:08] the UTN those funds there's not really a
[20:11] set amount per year or programmed in the
[20:13] tip active program. It's really kind of
[20:15] whatever is left over after the highway
[20:18] program funds are distributed. Um
[20:21] sometimes it's been as high as $20
[20:23] million a year, sometimes you know $7
[20:26] million a year. So it really just kind
[20:27] of depends. Um but yeah, so those that
[20:30] that's a kind of an application based
[20:32] program with our planning division has
[20:35] 60 match 40% on the local government
[20:38] side.
[20:39] >> Yep. Becca is saying yes that was
[20:41] confusing and that's very helpful. Thank
[20:43] you.
[20:43] >> Yes. Perfect. Okay. [snorts] So, uh, one
[20:48] note that I'll add here is one of our
[20:49] feasibility studies for the 20 24 and 25
[20:52] years was the raise grant that we
[20:55] applied for a couple years ago in
[20:56] southeastern Yeah, southeastern Utah.
[20:59] Um, it's about 150 mile feasibility
[21:01] study down there, a $12 million project.
[21:03] So, we didn't want to inflate our ego
[21:05] too much by adding those donors to this,
[21:07] but that's that's an ongoing project as
[21:09] well. So, all said and done, uh, pending
[21:12] commission approval, of course, later
[21:14] this month, uh, we'll have a total of 46
[21:16] projects out of our program to date, uh,
[21:19] with just over a quarter billion dollars
[21:21] worth of, uh, projects for standalone
[21:24] trail projects and just over 160 miles
[21:26] of trails um, in terms of construction
[21:29] and studies. So
[21:32] um and then moving on to our next steps
[21:34] and really future programming cycles. So
[21:36] as I mentioned earlier, the UTN is a
[21:38] pretty relatively new program within UD
[21:40] do uh and because of that we're still
[21:43] trying to play catch-up a little bit to
[21:44] those more established programs that you
[21:46] see within the department like pavements
[21:47] and structures. And so with that, we're
[21:50] trying to use kind of an accelerated
[21:52] funding schedule to get caught up to
[21:54] those program out years so we can match
[21:56] and be consistent with those other
[21:58] mature programs. So you can see where
[22:00] the check mark is. During this year's
[22:02] 2026 programming workshop, uh we
[22:04] recommended projects using funding from
[22:06] fiscal years 26 to 28. The first time we
[22:09] programmed, we used fiscal years 24
[22:11] through 25. Um again, that's just under
[22:14] $125 million in recommendation. Next
[22:17] year, we'll only be using two years
[22:19] worth of our funding this years 29 and
[22:22] 30. You'll see about 78 millionish
[22:24] dollars of recommended projects next
[22:27] year. And then after that we will have
[22:30] been we will have caught up to those
[22:32] other programs and we'll start just
[22:34] programming one fiscal year out at a
[22:36] time during the workshop which is the
[22:38] current fiscal year plus three. So in
[22:40] 2028 we'll use fiscal year's uh 31
[22:44] funding which will be about $38 million
[22:46] and that'll be kind of ongoing year
[22:48] after year from this forward. So
[22:52] uh with that that's that's really kind
[22:53] of the overall high level update for
[22:56] funding. Any questions that I can answer
[22:58] at this time?
[23:02] » Yeah, sure. I got a couple for for
[23:04] consultants who are helping cities,
[23:05] counties complete studies for trails
[23:08] that to help them be competitive for the
[23:10] ETN. What things are have you been
[23:14] looking for and this year you've
[23:16] evaluated to say, "Oh, yeah, this is a
[23:18] trail. This is a good candidate."
[23:20] >> How can we lay out the study in a way
[23:22] that helps that process outwards? Yeah,
[23:26] I think um having a study completed is
[23:29] definitely helpful for prioritization of
[23:31] the program. We're actually changing our
[23:34] prioritization method just a little bit
[23:35] where we're in future years looking at
[23:37] the phase one projects on the unified
[23:39] plan as kind of a starting point. Um
[23:42] those projects uh phase need by the
[23:44] communities are our highest level in
[23:47] terms of what we're looking at and then
[23:49] we'll run those through our
[23:50] prioritization model that we have with
[23:51] department. But yeah, in terms of
[23:53] feasibility studies, um, looking at, you
[23:56] know, 10 to 12 feet wide trails and
[23:59] looking at all of the the the normal
[24:01] feasibility issues that come with trails
[24:03] like rideways, utilities, environmental,
[24:05] just kind of laying all of that out.
[24:07] That structure is really helpful for us
[24:09] in terms of choosing projects that are
[24:11] able to be constructed and meet the
[24:13] goals of the program.
[24:15] So,
[24:16] >> and then the second one was just what's
[24:18] the discussion on maintenance currently?
[24:21] What a great question. Um yeah, so we
[24:23] are currently still having those
[24:25] discussions uh within the department at
[24:27] the very highest levels. Uh we have such
[24:30] a broad range of responses from local
[24:33] agencies. We've been talking to many
[24:34] local agencies about trail meetings. Uh
[24:37] some of them say don't touch our trails.
[24:39] We want to do it ourselves. We have our
[24:40] own standards. We have our own rules.
[24:43] And other local agencies say we don't
[24:44] have any resources. Please maintain our
[24:46] trails. So, we're trying to find a
[24:48] maintenance strategy that kind of fits
[24:50] all of those um different agencies,
[24:53] maybe a hybrid solution. Um this is a
[24:56] big component of our UTM master plan.
[24:58] It's a planning effort we're in the
[24:59] middle of right now. So, hoping by the
[25:01] end of this calendar year we'll have
[25:02] draft maintenance strategy that we can
[25:05] start pursuing uh and then we can kind
[25:08] of work it out from there. So, it's in
[25:09] development. As of right now, when we
[25:12] program an ITM project, we're asking
[25:14] those local agencies to pretty much own
[25:16] and maintain that trail until we have
[25:19] this element worked out.
[25:23] >> Thanks.
[25:26] [clears throat] As a statewide program,
[25:28] um, you obviously trying to hit as many
[25:30] areas of the state that make sense for
[25:32] this committee. We have representatives
[25:34] from Tillaa, from Morgan, Salt Lake,
[25:37] Davis, Weber counties, um, and even
[25:40] Boxelder. So, what have you done for us
[25:44] lately, Eric, with these the latest programming cycles? Is there
[25:47] anything else about the area that the
[25:51] community represents? Yeah, I think uh
[25:53] this program and I'd have to I'd have to
[25:55] bring it up on a screen here, but the the highest number of projects were
[26:00] in region two this year that we
[26:02] recommended uh for approval from the
[26:04] commission. Uh we have a planning study
[26:06] that I know that we're doing, a
[26:08] feasibility study in Tilla um up SR 36 I
[26:11] think it is there from Stanbury Park to
[26:14] Tilla. Um we have in South Salt Lake um
[26:17] the um there's a there's a small gap
[26:20] project that we did there. Um and uh
[26:23] yeah we've done another study in you
[26:25] know Mountain Green to Oregon 67 and so
[26:30] I think uh I believe it was seven
[26:33] different projects or so in region 2
[26:36] spread throughout the region. So, um,
[26:39] yeah, I'm happy to share a list of
[26:42] projects with anybody here. Also, on
[26:45] stiff app, you can see the recommended
[26:48] projects um for this year and you can
[26:50] sort them by region and and other
[26:53] variables, I guess. So, you can see
[26:55] what's been what's been recommended thus
[26:58] far.
[26:58] >> Maybe we can throw that into the chat
[27:00] for people online and include it in our
[27:02] followup email.
[27:03] >> Yeah.
[27:03] >> Resource. Okay.
[27:04] >> Yeah.
[27:05] >> Awesome. Any other funding or any other
[27:08] questions for
[27:13] » how how often do you think you'll update
[27:15] the plans?
[27:16] >> Yeah, so we have a plan to uh update the
[27:19] UTM master plan map every I think it's
[27:22] four years with the unified planning
[27:24] cycle. So any amendments that we need to
[27:26] make if people think there should be
[27:28] routes deleted or added or modified on
[27:30] our map, we're going to try to
[27:32] incorporate that in the process and make
[27:34] those changes. All
[27:39] right, I'll drop that link
[27:42] in the chat.
[27:44] Thanks.
[27:47] Okay. Are there any other questions?
[27:51] There's And you're looking online. No
[27:53] questions there either, right?
[27:55] >> I've not seen any.
[27:57] >> Okay. All right. Well, thank you, uh,
[27:59] Eric. We appreciate that update and, uh,
[28:02] educating us on the program. It's
[28:04] interesting to see how uh quickly uh
[28:07] [laughter] everybody wants um a piece of
[28:09] that pie and how again there's never
[28:11] enough funding to kind of take care of
[28:13] us, but we appreciate that all those
[28:15] that are involved with it. We'll now go
[28:17] on then to item number five, which is
[28:18] our um regional transportation plan uh
[28:22] preference scenario update. So the
[28:25] Wasach Front Regional Council staff will
[28:27] give us an update on the progress of the
[28:29] regional transportation plan which is
[28:32] scheduled for adoption
[28:34] uh in May of 2027.
[28:37] So the preferred scenario
[28:40] [clears throat] of the project is uh
[28:42] being finalized and many of us has
[28:45] participated and were engaged in the
[28:48] review of these draft projects
[28:51] uh for the and gave different ideas for
[28:54] the RTP in workshops last fall. And so
[28:57] the Wasatch Front Regional Council
[28:59] recently
[29:01] uh concluded the public comment period
[29:03] of this. So, with that, I want to go
[29:05] ahead and turn the time over to them to
[29:06] give us this update.
[29:09] >> U Thank you, Mayor. I'll take um take
[29:11] this item. And if Hugh, you want to hit
[29:14] the first slide? Um reminder that the uh
[29:18] Wasatch Front Regional Council's uh
[29:20] regional transportation plan includes
[29:23] active transportation which is uh biking
[29:26] and walking, roadways, transit and
[29:30] connects all those to um future land
[29:33] uses uh population
[29:36] um or homes uh businesses etc. Uh we
[29:40] develop it on a four-year cycle. Most of
[29:42] the last plan was adopted in May of
[29:44] 2023. We've had four amendments so far.
[29:48] We're working on one right now, which
[29:51] should be the final amendment. Um so, as
[29:53] Eric mentioned, um all this feeds into
[29:56] the Utah's unified transportation plan.
[29:59] Um but it's not static for the four
[30:01] years. uh it's fiscally constrained
[30:03] meaning that um not only do we identify
[30:07] needs but we have to also identify uh
[30:11] reasonable funding sources and revenue
[30:13] sources for the project. So um that's uh
[30:17] something that we work on pretty uh
[30:19] continuously and we work at we have a
[30:21] statewide uh model uh financial model
[30:25] that we work with all the other NPOS's
[30:27] and it's for all the modes and then um
[30:30] we also have to conform to air quality
[30:33] um standards that were given uh and
[30:36] budgets for road and transit broken into
[30:40] three phases. So this upcoming plan will
[30:42] go from uh they're really 10 10 year or
[30:45] decade buckets uh 2027 to 2036 2037 to
[30:50] 46 and then 2047 to 55. So um as we're looking at these everything
[30:58] that we do um is filtered through the
[31:01] Wasatch Choice Vision goals. You can see
[31:04] those on the right. They range from
[31:06] livable, healthy communities, manageable
[31:09] and reliable traffic conditions, clean
[31:12] air, housing choices, affordable living
[31:15] uh expenses, ample parks, public spaces.
[31:17] So, um those 10 goals is how we uh
[31:22] screen projects, review projects, phase
[31:25] projects, etc. So, u hit the next slide.
[31:28] H you um as the mayor mentioned, we are
[31:33] um one year out. So the plan will be
[31:35] adopted next year. We've already done
[31:37] some aspirational brainstorming, meaning
[31:39] we we worked with local communities. We
[31:42] worked with UD do and UTA. We generated
[31:45] a bunch of ideas to test in 2024. Um we
[31:49] screened those and developed a preferred
[31:52] scenario and went out last fall to
[31:55] workshops
[31:57] and brought that here to the ATC. Met
[32:00] with key stakeholders. We meet with over
[32:02] 20 key stakeholders across the region.
[32:05] Those include the universities, trails
[32:07] foundation, northern Utah,
[32:09] um key land holder holders, etc. And um
[32:14] have pretty much finalized the preferred
[32:16] scenario. And when we say preferred
[32:18] scenario, that means um a set of
[32:20] projects that are needed by 2055 or our
[32:23] horizon year depending on whatever plan
[32:25] we're in. So in this case, it's 2055.
[32:28] The next uh phase that we're going to be
[32:30] working on this summer is prioritizing
[32:32] those projects. And so that's the the
[32:35] 10-year or decade um buckets or um of
[32:41] identifying when they're needed first
[32:43] and then we identify uh how much funding
[32:46] we have or expect to have in each of
[32:49] those those decades. Um one other thing
[32:51] that we have um that's not showing on
[32:54] this slide is that we have um
[32:56] exploratory concepts. So, these are
[32:58] ideas that may weren't quite ready for
[33:01] the regional transportation plan, but
[33:03] they're ideas that we want to keep on um
[33:06] kind of on our radar, do some additional
[33:09] study, uh get some some more support
[33:11] either from local communities or our
[33:13] transportation partners or landholders.
[33:15] Um and then they could be uh included in
[33:18] a future regional transportation plan.
[33:20] but we'll have a a the ability to to
[33:23] show those exploratory concepts on on
[33:26] our final maps um and project list. So,
[33:29] kind of keep an eye out for those and
[33:31] then um finalizing the plan. So, we'll
[33:34] go out this fall to our workshops, come
[33:36] back to the ATC for feedback on the plan
[33:39] um October, November time frame, and
[33:42] then look to go out for an official
[33:43] public comment in January, February,
[33:45] finalizing plan as the mayor said in in
[33:47] May of next year. Back to you. Um as
[33:51] mentioned preferred scenario um I think
[33:54] we this is we've received the most
[33:57] comments um this go around on the
[33:59] preferred scenario
[34:01] a lot of them revolving around um the
[34:05] little cottonwood Canyon EIS and the
[34:07] gondola down at Little Cottonwood
[34:09] Canyon. We did receive a lot of support
[34:11] for the Rio Grand plan and
[34:14] [clears throat]
[34:14] um we uh surprisingly
[34:17] uh received quite a bit of uh input on a
[34:20] project up in Fruit Heights for a trails
[34:23] project. So we've been working with the
[34:24] city up there on some of those comments.
[34:27] Uh we've been reviewing these comments
[34:29] with U do UTA and the local communities
[34:32] as they've been coming in. So, uh, we
[34:35] didn't wait for all 2600 to come in and
[34:38] then review them. We've been reviewing
[34:41] them as we're moving forward. And like I
[34:43] said, we're going to we're now moving
[34:45] into the phasing component of the plan.
[34:48] >> Um,
[34:49] >> J, before you go on, can I just ask a
[34:51] question for our our members that are in
[34:54] Utah County, Tilla, and Morgan,
[34:57] right? How how much does this planning
[34:59] process mimic what's happening with the
[35:02] other agencies that we work with the
[35:03] unified plan that Eric mentioned?
[35:05] >> Um it mirrors it. Um so UD do outside of
[35:09] the WFRC MO area and you can see here on
[35:12] the map it's uh all of Salt Lake County,
[35:16] all of Davis County, the Wasuch front
[35:18] portion of Weber County and the southern
[35:21] portion of Boxelder County all fall
[35:24] within WFRC's boundaries. um
[35:26] Mountainlands Association of Governments
[35:28] um does the long range planning for Utah
[35:31] County and then everything outside of
[35:33] there besides Logan and St. George is uh
[35:37] completed by UD do. So the UD do
[35:40] planning department uh Zayn Pulmer is
[35:44] leading that effort uh right now. Um
[35:47] he's meeting with um each of the RPOS so
[35:51] rural planning organizations looking to
[35:53] see what's in their plans. And so WFRC
[35:56] has a plan for Morgan, has a plan for
[35:58] the Tula Valley. We we've just met
[36:02] yesterday with Zayn to to kind of hand
[36:04] over some of that information. They're
[36:06] going to go through a separate process
[36:08] and um work with the communities to
[36:10] identify and phase projects with the
[36:13] same time frame of of uh completion of
[36:16] that and adoption next summer of 2027.
[36:20] So our map yeah doesn't show those other
[36:23] areas of of the WFRC AOG Association of
[36:27] Governments because WFRC doesn't
[36:31] work uh with TW and Morgan but the state
[36:35] does the longrange planning for those
[36:37] areas.
[36:39] >> The similar schedule for the plan
[36:44] » um I've talked a little bit about
[36:46] phasing. So first uh this next summer,
[36:50] so the next two months, we're going to
[36:51] work on phasing based on needs. So
[36:54] that's when a project's anticipated to
[36:56] be needed. Um we've brought to you uh
[36:59] before um phasing criteria and waiting.
[37:03] So um in the next slide, I'll I'll show
[37:05] you a little bit of where we landed with
[37:07] that. Um and then um we'll move to the
[37:11] fiscally constraining or phasing based
[37:13] on projected funding available. Um, and
[37:16] that's based on how much funding we
[37:17] have. We don't have to. We're not
[37:20] federally required to do a a plan um
[37:23] based on funding for active
[37:25] transportation, but collectively all the
[37:28] NPOS's in UD do UTA um think it's
[37:31] valuable to do that. Um, and it's been
[37:34] helpful. It's one of the things that I
[37:36] think has helped get the 45 million
[37:38] ongoing for the ATIF. um funding for the
[37:43] active um funding of our transportation
[37:46] alternative programs at the MO levels uh
[37:49] some local option sales taxes and
[37:51] corridor preservation funds can all um
[37:54] be used for this. And so, um, I don't
[37:57] think we'd be at the the position right
[37:59] now with those revenues if we didn't all
[38:01] collectively show some amount of need,
[38:05] um, on the statewide level for active
[38:07] transportation and biking, walking, and
[38:10] then how big a gap we had, how much
[38:12] money we didn't have available. So, a
[38:14] lot of that had been used over the past
[38:15] years
[38:17] um to get some of that funding
[38:19] available now for for programming. So um
[38:23] not only are we planning for it but it's
[38:25] being uh used to to get funding for
[38:28] implementation. So on the next slide you
[38:32] can see here we have uh roadway transit
[38:34] active transportation and then as I
[38:36] mentioned everything we do is the
[38:38] Wasatch choice vision goals. You can see
[38:40] those on the left um for and but not all
[38:43] 10 goals are used um in uh every piece
[38:46] of our process. So for phasing
[38:48] [clears throat]
[38:49] the six on the left are the ones that we
[38:51] used for um evaluating projects um when
[38:55] they're needed. Liveable healthy
[38:57] communities, access to economic and
[38:59] education opportunities, manage and
[39:01] reliable traffic conditions, quality
[39:03] transportation coins, safe userfriendly
[39:05] streets and fiscally efficient
[39:07] communities and infrastructure. So um
[39:10] you can see there that gives you a
[39:12] little bit of idea on roadway transit
[39:14] active transportation how many uh points
[39:17] or where the emphasis um of the scoring
[39:21] will go for each of the modes um for
[39:23] active transportation quality
[39:25] transportation choices will get a a big
[39:29] chunk of the points uh followed by
[39:32] access to economic and uh educational
[39:34] opportunities we also call that ATO if
[39:37] you hear the acronym
[39:38] Um along with safety safe user friendly
[39:42] streets there's been a big push with UTN
[39:44] being separated facilities. Behive
[39:47] bikeways are separated facilities. Um so
[39:49] we're giving some points to those type
[39:51] of projects and then the healthy
[39:53] communities and manage reliable traffic
[39:56] conditions for active transportation
[39:58] rounding it out. So, um,
[40:02] expect a quick turnaround and like I
[40:03] said, we'll bring back a draft to this
[40:06] group to review of active transportation
[40:09] priorities and phasing. Um, with that,
[40:13] uh, take any questions, uh, from anybody
[40:15] on the RTP process and kind of where
[40:17] we're at.
[40:22] [clears throat]
[40:24] » Any questions?
[40:25] >> I have a question.
[40:26] >> Yeah. Um, I know that uh once our new
[40:29] recommended projects for UTN are
[40:31] approved later this month, I think our
[40:33] plan is to send all of our projects on
[40:36] our master plan to you guys seat for
[40:39] that uh phasing need projects. When
[40:43] would be a great time? Just as soon as
[40:45] they're approved, send that batch over
[40:46] to your team.
[40:49] >> Yeah, for sure. Um the the preferred
[40:53] scenarios never lock down, right? We're
[40:55] at 95%. So, we know that there's studies
[40:58] happening right now. There's communities
[41:00] doing uh active transportation master
[41:02] plans or updates to that or their local
[41:06] uh just general plans. So, there things will change between now and the
[41:10] end of the year. Um, we're going to take
[41:13] a cut at scoring the projects, but by no
[41:16] means do we just take the scores and
[41:18] say, well, the first third or the top or
[41:21] the phase one needs, the next highest
[41:23] scoring ones are all phase two. We have
[41:25] to use some professional judgment and
[41:27] we'll definitely take into consideration
[41:28] the UTN priorities and we definitely we
[41:32] have we need to have the projects that
[41:34] are funded in the phase one, right? So,
[41:36] that goes for all three modes um as
[41:39] well. [clears throat] Thank you.
[41:41] Sorry, can you explain um the alignment
[41:46] between the UTN and the RTP? Are they
[41:48] developed separately or are they jointly
[41:50] developed? Like can you help? I'm not
[41:52] fall sorry if everybody else is.
[41:55] >> As far as the UTN, the master plan that
[41:57] was developed and I think completed this
[41:59] last fall that was done using kind of a
[42:02] datadriven process combined with a huge
[42:04] outreach effort over the last like 18
[42:06] months. And so that network, that
[42:08] statewide network was developed really
[42:10] independently, but also taking into
[42:12] account all the the transportation plans
[42:14] and RTPs throughout the state within
[42:17] communities. I think the unified plan is
[42:20] taking that plus other projects, right,
[42:23] and phasing it in terms of need.
[42:25] >> So yeah, it's exactly right. The UN the
[42:29] UTN was developed with local community
[42:32] input. Um, but I don't believe there's
[42:35] many, if any, projects that are in the
[42:38] UT that weren't on local communities
[42:40] plans. There might be changes in like
[42:42] definition if somebody had like a on
[42:45] street facility where the UTN needs to
[42:48] be separated type of facilities. Um, but
[42:51] it'll be woven into the RTP. So can
[42:54] think of this as similar to like a local
[42:57] plan. Um, the locals will develop a
[42:59] plan. In this case, I we'll put all of
[43:03] the UTN in the regional transportation
[43:05] plan, even though there are some
[43:06] visionary more visionary type projects
[43:08] and so we need to figure out if they go
[43:10] into exploratory or if they're going to
[43:12] go into the deferred scenario. Um and
[43:15] then um with the local plans, we don't
[43:18] include every project that's in a local
[43:19] master plan. uh we need to look to uh
[43:22] work with the communities and kind of
[43:24] the counties to figure out what's more
[43:26] regional should be elevated into the the
[43:29] RTP. But um we had a seat at the table
[43:32] in in many of your workshops for the UT
[43:35] processes.
[43:38] [clears throat]
[43:41] » Okay. Anything else from anybody?
[43:46] Okay. Okay. If not, let's go ahead and
[43:47] go on then to item number six, which uh
[43:51] is the Boulder Pier Tour recap. I know
[43:55] several of you, well, there's about 20
[43:56] people that uh joined in the Boulder,
[43:59] Colorado Pier Tour that uh took place
[44:02] the end of April.
[44:04] And I know that on this tour that that
[44:06] wasn't just um on bikes, it was on foot
[44:10] by bus. And uh so today we have a few
[44:13] individuals that are going to share
[44:16] their viewpoint and what stood out the
[44:18] most to them. So I'll go ahead and turn
[44:20] the time over to uh Hugh to conduct
[44:22] that.
[44:23] >> Thanks Mayor. So we had a great great
[44:26] representation and turnout for folks
[44:27] that interested in visiting Boulder,
[44:29] Colorado. And Boulder for those that
[44:31] don't know is a platinum level bicycle
[44:34] community is designated by the League of
[44:36] American Bicyclists. Um, so we
[44:38] [clears throat] went to check out their
[44:40] system there, how people get around in
[44:42] addition to some new developments they
[44:45] have going on, some new urban
[44:46] developments, uh, how the bus system is
[44:48] integrated um, into Boulder. And it's a
[44:51] little bit of a unique community in that
[44:53] they don't have any fixed rail service
[44:56] there compared to a lot of our region
[44:58] here. And so that [clears throat] was a
[44:59] little bit different. As you can see
[45:01] from the photos, um there were we were
[45:05] greeted and met several elected
[45:08] officials and staff beginning of our
[45:10] first day there. There for a day and a
[45:11] half and then um one of the real
[45:15] purposes of these tours is to get out in
[45:17] the community in the cities and
[45:19] experience, you know, what's going on
[45:20] there as we're led. So there are
[45:24] [clears throat]
[45:24] plenty of us very cool things that we
[45:26] saw. They have this great pedestrian
[45:28] mall there. Um, as was mentioned, jumped
[45:30] on the bus to get to the town of
[45:32] Superior, which is just about a
[45:34] 20-minute bus ride away to look at some
[45:36] of the development they were doing. Um,
[45:38] checked out their separated pathways,
[45:41] um, how they separate vehicles,
[45:43] pedestrians, and bicyclists.
[45:45] Um,
[45:47] yeah, all these great tunnels that were
[45:49] there, more protected facilities. In
[45:51] just a second, I'm going to give some
[45:52] time to Cameron from Green Bike. Um, but
[45:55] in addition to seeing all the great
[45:57] infrastructure and speaking to it, we
[45:59] had some great time, you know, at dinner
[46:01] and after hours. I think we won the
[46:02] sport, the trivia night at one of the
[46:04] places we were at as a team
[46:06] collectively, which was really fun. So,
[46:08] it was a great opportunity to get to
[46:10] know some of your colleagues as well uh
[46:12] on this on this trip and these are tours
[46:14] we try to do every year. Uh, Cameron, do
[46:17] you mind you were able to come with us?
[46:19] Um, do you mind just sharing a few a few
[46:21] thoughts about your experience and your
[46:22] takeaways?
[46:24] >> Yeah. Um, so I'm Cameron Ariano. I'm
[46:26] with Green Bike. Um, it was very
[46:30] relevant for me as both somebody who
[46:33] runs the bike share program and as a
[46:35] personal bike commuter. Um, Boulder was
[46:39] really amazing. the biking
[46:40] infrastructure, the um cooperation
[46:44] between Boulder City, um they have a big
[46:48] university there, uh the University of
[46:49] Colorado, and the integration between
[46:52] the city of Colorado and the local bike
[46:54] share there is really amazing. Um and
[46:58] yeah, it was a great experience.
[47:00] Networking and meeting a lot of other
[47:02] folks who are interested in active
[47:04] transportation was great. Um, and a big
[47:07] takeaway for me is, um, when we went and
[47:11] met with the city, it was really
[47:13] impressive the amount of money and
[47:16] effort they put in into the
[47:17] infrastructure in Boulder. Um, and then
[47:20] as we're out touring, it's kind of like
[47:22] if you build it, they will come. Um,
[47:24] they have, it was really cool to see all
[47:26] everybody biking through the city. We
[47:28] actually went and did a little break off
[47:30] and met with the East Cycle folks that
[47:32] are the ones who run their local bike
[47:34] share. And it was very impressive to see
[47:36] because they give their students uh so
[47:39] call CU um gives every student on campus
[47:43] a free bike share program or free a free
[47:46] bike share pass. So it's really cool
[47:47] because what you see is everybody um who
[47:49] like lives in the city, they're they
[47:51] don't drive a lot. They'll take the
[47:52] bikes into the campus and then ride back
[47:54] out. And as somebody who's also a
[47:56] personal commuter, I was just very
[47:58] impressed by that and inspired. Um it
[48:02] also gave me a lot of ideas. I I also
[48:04] handle the planning at our bike share
[48:06] and we're both in Salt Lake City and
[48:08] Ogden and it was really interesting to
[48:10] see the choices of where they put the
[48:12] bike share stations, how they're the
[48:14] signage, the integration into the city
[48:16] and so it gave me a bunch of ideas on
[48:18] how we can kind of build our system to
[48:21] be more accessible for everybody um
[48:24] around town.
[48:26] >> Thanks, Cameron. [clears throat] Um,
[48:28] I'll add one thing that I really picked
[48:30] up on while we were there and we did
[48:33] walk to either get bikes or go to lunch
[48:35] or go to dinner and reflecting on the
[48:39] culture there. Anytime that we
[48:41] approached a crossing of a roadway when
[48:44] we were walking, um, we didn't have to
[48:46] wait for three or four cars to stop for
[48:49] us to cross the road. It was always the
[48:51] first car. And I was really, um,
[48:54] impressed by that. and they could be
[48:56] going sometimes pretty fast, but they
[48:58] would hit the brakes pretty hard knowing
[49:00] that, oh, people are crossing here. So,
[49:02] that was just a really interesting pick
[49:04] up on the culture of of expectation for when people are driving to expect
[49:10] people to be walking and biking and
[49:12] reflecting that in their in their
[49:14] behavior.
[49:16] >> I think that is
[49:18] [clears throat] difference in that
[49:19] culture.
[49:21] Why?
[49:22] >> Uh, fair question. I don't know if it's
[49:24] amount of time that um is there just the number of people biking walking
[49:30] maybe there's um enforcement
[49:32] ramifications that people have picked up
[49:34] on there also um a lot of red light
[49:38] running cameras there which are not
[49:39] legal in Utah currently but um a lot of
[49:42] signage and messaging around
[49:45] um
[49:47] zero fatalities and um not breaking
[49:50] traffic laws. So, I'm sure there's I'm
[49:52] guessing there are several things that go into that. Makes me think
[49:56] >> I can speak a little I can speak a
[49:59] little bit to that because I used to um
[50:02] back in the day, one of my careers, I
[50:04] used to go into Boulder a lot and um you
[50:08] know, Boulder's always been a healthy
[50:11] conscious type city. And in fact, that's
[50:13] the home where the home of uh corporate
[50:16] offices for Whole Foods. And so they've
[50:20] always been just all about health,
[50:22] wellness, and what's good for you. And
[50:24] so back when it was a smaller city, it that was a a priority in that in that
[50:30] culture there. So I think it's just
[50:32] permeated and grown and been out of
[50:35] respect for for people that uh like to
[50:38] be active and understanding that that's
[50:40] a um they wanted to maintain a healthy
[50:42] environment and very much into
[50:45] protecting the environment as well.
[50:48] So
[50:50] >> yeah, thanks.
[50:52] >> Yeah. Yeah. So it's it's just one of
[50:53] those areas that's really kind of grown
[50:55] that way, which I think is cool.
[50:58] >> Okay. Anyone else want to comment on
[51:00] this?
[51:03] Okay. If not, let's continue the bike
[51:05] [laughter]
[51:06] um topic, which uh I'm going to move on
[51:09] now to ebikes.
[51:12] Um, as many of you know, uh, we're all
[51:14] experiencing this explosion of the use
[51:17] of not just ebikes, but any type of a
[51:20] mobile device, uh, electric mobile
[51:23] device, I should say. And, um, so,
[51:28] you know, this this is a tough topic. I
[51:31] we do need to review and see where the
[51:34] current state is of ebikes regulation
[51:37] and what it is and what it is not. and
[51:40] then um have an open discussion
[51:44] uh about your education or strategies
[51:46] around this issue because I know it's a
[51:48] you know it's a common problem for all
[51:50] of us and especially in more of our uh
[51:52] fast-paced metro areas and the safety
[51:55] regarding that. So I'll um open it up at
[51:58] this time.
[52:01] >> Thanks Mayor. I I'll walk through a few
[52:03] things to set some groundwork if that's
[52:05] okay.
[52:05] >> Sure. And
[52:08] again, I apologize. I talk I talked a
[52:09] lot in this meeting, so thanks for
[52:11] putting up with me. Um, [clears throat]
[52:15] part of what the groundwork will be
[52:16] based on House Bill 381 that was passed
[52:19] this last legislative session. Um, I'll
[52:22] have some references to state code as we
[52:24] talk here. Um the nice thing about
[52:27] reading uh bills as Eric you know
[52:30] referenced state code earlier um is that
[52:33] in a bill it'll [clears throat] have um
[52:36] all the relevant portions of state code
[52:38] that reflect right what's happening with
[52:40] that respective piece of legislation
[52:42] whereas in the actual Utah code you have
[52:45] to jump around to lots of different
[52:47] sections and areas to sort of figure out
[52:50] where where it is in the code. So, if
[52:52] you want to just read the bill, um
[52:54] here's you can do reference 381 has all
[52:57] the relevant information. We also sent
[52:59] out in an email to committee members uh
[53:02] just a little nice recap article of the
[53:04] changes of House Bill 381
[53:07] um last
[53:09] yesterday, maybe last week, I don't
[53:11] recall. Anyway, uh [clears throat]
[53:15] but we're going to do some some polling
[53:17] work here if that's all right. So feel
[53:19] free to join uh here at Slido. You can
[53:21] use the QR code or go to slido.com
[53:25] and put in the number 3688480.
[53:35] This QR code and code will also be on
[53:38] the next screen uh case in case you miss
[53:42] it. But
[53:45] we'll jump we'll jump in here. Hey
[53:49] » [snorts]
[53:50] >> All right. Do you or someone you know
[53:52] own an ebike?
[53:56] And if you're unsure, that's okay.
[53:58] That's part of the issue here. Maybe
[54:00] they do, maybe they don't
[54:08] around the room. Just raise of hands if
[54:10] you know somebody or yourself.
[54:13] Yeah. Okay.
[54:15] Pretty inclusive. All [clears throat]
[54:17] right. So, just to reinforce that
[54:19] they're they are around us. They are
[54:21] among us as the kids saying.
[54:24] So, why why do so many people own
[54:27] ebikes? Put in this little word cloud.
[54:31] [clears throat]
[54:36] And hopefully this helps uh folks online
[54:39] and us in the room um engage in this a
[54:42] little bit rather than just those of us
[54:44] in the room.
[54:46] Okay. [clears throat] Cool breeze. Like
[54:49] that. Levels playing field. Ease of
[54:52] travel. Easy.
[54:55] You need speed. Question mark. Easier.
[54:58] Convenient.
[54:59] New technologies. Prices are getting
[55:01] lower. Eliminates hills.
[55:06] I'm guessing the sore hip is you have a
[55:08] sore hip and therefore heat helps
[55:11] because you get around
[55:13] >> people are not as physically inclined.
[55:15] [clears throat]
[55:16] I'm lazy. Okay, just so y'all know,
[55:19] riding an ebike is also exercise. Um
[55:23] there are studies on this that um you're
[55:26] definitely exercising even if you are on
[55:28] an ebike. So don't feel that you are
[55:30] lazy, you're not being lazy. This is
[55:32] great. [clears throat]
[55:34] Um
[55:37] all these reasons. So things that um
[55:40] thought about that I think are covered
[55:42] here. Go I'll go to the next slide.
[55:45] um is
[55:48] right [clears throat] passengers and
[55:50] cargo. It's just a lot easier with an
[55:51] ebike to be able to carry these things,
[55:54] right, as you move along heavier load.
[55:57] So, it can be that car replacement, that
[55:59] ability to take a trip in a different
[56:00] way um and [clears throat] improve your
[56:03] lifestyle, get a little bit again, not
[56:05] being lazy, you're just getting a
[56:06] different type of exercise and health
[56:08] and wellness that Mayor Petro was
[56:10] talking about.
[56:12] uh people can keep riding, right? There
[56:15] was a sore hip, bad knee. um getting
[56:18] older, ebikes really uh broaden the
[56:22] ability for people to continue riding or
[56:23] maybe ride when they hadn't before for
[56:25] some physical limitation or
[56:29] [clears throat] I don't think anybody
[56:30] mentioned this in the word cloud but um
[56:33] they can help you fall in love as well
[56:36] according to this ei [clears throat]
[56:40] or or fall in love again perhaps.
[56:44] All right. So, we're going to keep going
[56:45] with the quiz or another sorry a quiz to
[56:49] join. This should just be kicking up.
[56:51] So, what is an ebike? We asked if you
[56:54] know if you own one um if you know
[56:56] somebody that owns one, but we haven't
[56:57] defined it yet. So, let's look at it.
[57:02] Here are your options. A bicycle with a
[57:04] pedal assist electric motor. So, it
[57:06] means that the motor kicks in as you
[57:08] pedal where assistance stops at 20 mph.
[57:12] [clears throat] Bicycle with pedal
[57:13] assist electric motor where assistant
[57:14] stops at 28 miles per hour and has a
[57:16] speedometer.
[57:18] Bicycle with a throttle assist electric
[57:20] motor where assistant stops at 20 miles
[57:22] per hour. A bicycle with an electric
[57:25] assist motor no greater than 750 watts.
[57:28] All or none of the above.
[57:30] [cough and clears throat]
[57:31] So where people are ending up here.
[57:36] >> Now you're going to get influenc
[57:39] [clears throat]
[57:39] always. It's always always
[57:44] right.
[57:46] A lot to get through there. Just wanted
[57:49] to see what the live live quiz was
[57:51] telling us.
[57:52] >> Now everybody knows
[57:53] >> somebody picked all of you up. So it'll
[57:56] show up green what the answer is when
[57:59] you're done.
[58:02] >> It says voting closed.
[58:05] >> Council member, thank you. I don't know
[58:07] why that is.
[58:12] Keep it active, please. We're going to
[58:14] do this again.
[58:27] » Now,
[58:28] is it working? Okay, thank you. Yeah,
[58:32] everybody's
[58:35] horse.
[58:44] Okay. [clears throat]
[58:47] And a lot of these feel similar, right?
[58:52] And [clears throat] so again, this sort
[58:53] of leads to this confusion of what an
[58:57] ebike is. [clears throat]
[58:59] And as you all are thinking about that,
[59:01] um what I'll say is the language um
[59:05] around especially when it comes to
[59:09] crashes is really important on the
[59:11] language that's used around those and
[59:12] making sure we know what device was
[59:14] involved in that incident. So we're
[59:18] really just going to focus on protection
[59:20] here. So yes, all of the above. It's all
[59:23] these things. So there are three
[59:25] different classes of electric bikes and
[59:27] it's defined in Utah state code. Class
[59:29] one is that first definition assistant
[59:32] stops at 20 pedal assist. Uh class three
[59:36] is that second definition assistance
[59:38] stops at 28. You have to pedal but you
[59:40] can get 28 miles per hour and has a
[59:42] speedometer. And then a class two is a
[59:45] bicycle with a throttle assist electric
[59:47] motor. So you can throttle all the way
[59:49] up to 20, but then the assistance cuts
[59:51] out. And in all of these cases, um, the
[59:54] motor cannot be more powerful than 750
[59:57] watts.
[59:59] Okay, good job. So, there's a little
[1:00:01] breakdown chart that Bike Utah has on
[1:00:04] their website, um, which is really
[1:00:06] helpful. Tells you that class one, two,
[1:00:08] and three, and throttle devices only.
[1:00:12] And then um state code now defines high
[1:00:15] power devices
[1:00:17] um where if it's the motor only, you're
[1:00:19] not pedaling, get you above 20 miles per
[1:00:21] hour, it's not an ebike. Um again, it
[1:00:24] could be classified as an e motorcycle.
[1:00:26] Um but those those things when we talk
[1:00:29] about ebikes, we're talking about um
[1:00:32] these class one, two, and three
[1:00:34] bicycles.
[1:00:37] This can be found in Utah code 41.68.
[1:00:41] 68.102 or dash I guess those should be
[1:00:43] dashes
[1:00:45] again if you're really interested.
[1:00:49] So
[1:00:50] in plain speak if the device can exceed
[1:00:52] 20 m per hour on motor assistance alone
[1:00:55] or has a motor greater than 7 750 watt
[1:00:58] it's not legally considered ebike. Uh,
[1:01:01] the Department of Outdoor Recreation has
[1:01:03] this [clears throat] great little
[1:01:03] flowchart here where asks you some
[1:01:06] questions to sort of get you to decide
[1:01:09] whether or not um the device that you're
[1:01:11] considering buying or that you own is an
[1:01:14] ebike or something else. And when you go
[1:01:16] to their website, [clears throat]
[1:01:21] um, is it an ebike or an e motorcycle?
[1:01:23] You literally can click through. Does
[1:01:26] the vehicle have manufacturer installed
[1:01:28] operable pedals or cranks?
[1:01:31] >> Click
[1:01:33] [clears throat] click brains and boards.
[1:01:37] Yes. Contain the question. Right. Is the
[1:01:39] motor rated 750 watts [clears throat] or
[1:01:42] less? No. Right. So, not ebike, maybe an
[1:01:46] electric motorcycle. Does the motor stay
[1:01:49] within ebike speed limits? So it can
[1:01:51] walk you through and we'll share all
[1:01:54] these resources, but these could be
[1:01:55] great things for your communities to
[1:01:57] have links to and and what you're doing
[1:02:00] to help people figure this out. Likely
[1:02:04] ebike, likely motorcycle again to help
[1:02:07] qu some of the confusion around.
[1:02:10] [clears throat]
[1:02:10] [snorts]
[1:02:12] Okay,
[1:02:14] here we go again. [clears throat] Get
[1:02:16] ready.
[1:02:22] So, we defined what an ebike is, but who
[1:02:26] can ride them? Who can use them? Who can
[1:02:28] ride an ebike on the street? 7, six,
[1:02:32] five, four, three, two. Nobody.
[1:02:42] Anybody? Okay. All right. So, a little
[1:02:44] bit mixed bag here. Again, there's some
[1:02:46] confusion around this understandably so.
[1:02:50] Um, correct answer is it depends,
[1:02:53] [laughter] right? Adding to the
[1:02:55] confusion.
[1:02:57] So, oh, Pedro pedestrian, you got the
[1:03:00] most answers right. Two out of two.
[1:03:02] Congratulations.
[1:03:04] Um, and Dave as well.
[1:03:06] >> [clears throat]
[1:03:07] >> So, the House Bill 381
[1:03:10] uh put a time stamp on some new
[1:03:13] regulation that doesn't start until May
[1:03:16] of 2027. But under the current law
[1:03:18] today, if you're under eight years old,
[1:03:20] you cannot have the motor operable or or
[1:03:25] engaged, excuse me, engaged uh on an
[1:03:27] ebike and operate it. you're under 14,
[1:03:31] you can operate in the street, but you
[1:03:34] have to be under direct under direct
[1:03:36] adult supervision.
[1:03:39] I will not speak to my kids and how they
[1:03:41] use this for fear of criminal
[1:03:43] investigation. [laughter]
[1:03:45] [clears throat] Okay? And if you're
[1:03:46] under 16, no class 3 ebikes. So again,
[1:03:49] those are the bikes that with as you're
[1:03:51] pedaling, you get up to 28 miles per
[1:03:53] hour. [clears throat] So, uh,
[1:03:57] over the next year or come May of 27,
[1:04:00] the law changes. Under 80, it's still
[1:04:02] the same thing. Cannot engage the motor.
[1:04:05] Between 8 and 16 years old, you can
[1:04:08] acquire a safety certificate, very
[1:04:10] [clears throat] similar to offhighway
[1:04:12] vehicle safety certificates or hunting
[1:04:14] education, things that will be provided
[1:04:16] by the state. If you go through that
[1:04:18] course and have that certificate, you
[1:04:20] can operate um an ebike [clears throat]
[1:04:23] in the road or be under direct adult
[1:04:27] supervision. If you're over 16, yes, you
[1:04:29] can even without a driver's license. Um
[1:04:33] and something new added to the
[1:04:35] legislation is that if you're under 21
[1:04:37] years old and you're operating an ebike,
[1:04:39] you do need to wear a helmet.
[1:04:41] [clears throat]
[1:04:42] So in legislation,
[1:04:45] >> is there anything that has all of that
[1:04:48] like the flyers supposed to post to our
[1:04:49] public? Like
[1:04:52] >> that's a great question
[1:04:52] >> because it would be nice to have the
[1:04:54] bare basics to give information out to
[1:04:57] them.
[1:04:58] >> Yeah,
[1:04:58] >> I didn't know if anybody's already done
[1:05:00] that. Well,
[1:05:02] >> I'm going to ask that question and see
[1:05:03] if we can volunteer some information
[1:05:05] because [clears throat] that I'm hoping
[1:05:06] that something does exist out there
[1:05:09] maybe. So, great question. And if not,
[1:05:11] we'll we'll have to put something
[1:05:13] together. Yeah. Great. Great question.
[1:05:14] >> And is this um the training going to be
[1:05:16] online? Have we heard yet? Is this the
[1:05:18] certificate safety certificate? Are they
[1:05:21] planning it all to be virtual for it?
[1:05:23] >> I believe so. Okay.
[1:05:24] >> Yep. I believe it will be. And so, that
[1:05:26] is in process, which is why it's not um
[1:05:29] taking effect until May of next year, so
[1:05:31] they can develop that safety course.
[1:05:32] Okay. Yeah. You can be, you know, sort
[1:05:34] of on your own. Take it. Okay. Good
[1:05:37] question.
[1:05:39] So again, this can be found in Utah code
[1:05:42] these codes again in 381. It's has it
[1:05:46] all outlined for you.
[1:05:49] So the list that we just looked at again
[1:05:52] that you put together um spans on this
[1:05:57] graphic and tells you ages, what's
[1:06:01] required, how you do it. Um, so Cameron
[1:06:05] Carter with like Utah is online with us
[1:06:08] today. U Cameron, if you want to speak
[1:06:10] to anything or any of the educational
[1:06:12] materials that might be out there,
[1:06:13] welcome your your comments. Let us know.
[1:06:18] >> Thanks, Sue. Um, yeah, Bike Utah's
[1:06:20] website has a lot of information about
[1:06:22] all the laws that apply to ebikes and
[1:06:24] regular bikes. So, if you're interested,
[1:06:27] um, just head over to our website.
[1:06:32] » [clears throat]
[1:06:32] >> Um, so do you know there's been a lot of
[1:06:38] attempts at education to your question,
[1:06:41] Council Member Blah, and I've seen
[1:06:43] things on social media, but just curious
[1:06:48] now to open it open up the discussion to
[1:06:51] how your agency or municipality has been
[1:06:54] trying to educate people on this. And
[1:06:56] maybe you don't know, which is fine.
[1:06:58] Again, we're all here just to try and
[1:07:00] get up to speed and and learn from one
[1:07:02] another if possible. But does anybody
[1:07:04] know that their their municipality is is
[1:07:07] try to engage with this and with their
[1:07:10] public on educational resources around
[1:07:13] these laws?
[1:07:19] » Yes. Thanks. Um, so Salt Lake County,
[1:07:21] um, not direct, uh, education to the
[1:07:24] public that I'm aware of, but we are
[1:07:26] working on, uh, an ebike policy and an
[1:07:30] ebike ordinance. So, the the ebike
[1:07:32] policy would apply within the regional
[1:07:34] parks throughout Salt Lake County and
[1:07:36] the ordinance would apply to the
[1:07:38] unincorporated county. And it has um
[1:07:42] it's tiered and it has um regulate or
[1:07:45] guidelines I guess about um the class
[1:07:48] one, two, and three ebikes and what type
[1:07:50] of paths or trails they would be allowed
[1:07:52] on. So like class one ebikes allowed
[1:07:55] anywhere. Other bikes are allowed. Class
[1:07:57] 2 not allowed on natural service trails.
[1:08:01] Um and then a speed limit of 20 miles
[1:08:03] per hour on all trails. So, um, so that
[1:08:06] this is not this is proposed just in
[1:08:08] draft form so far. Um, but so it's
[1:08:12] apparently a I'm not working on it
[1:08:14] directly, but um it's a priority for uh
[1:08:17] Mayor Jenny Wilson and um it's something
[1:08:19] that county is interested in
[1:08:21] coordinating with municipalities to try
[1:08:23] to have consistency in in the rules
[1:08:26] about ebikes on trails.
[1:08:29] >> U Thank you for bringing that up. And you just said trying to coordinate
[1:08:32] with municipalities
[1:08:33] >> in Salt Lake County.
[1:08:34] [clears throat] Um
[1:08:37] and that is right. If somebody's out
[1:08:41] riding an ebike,
[1:08:43] they're not going to know when they're
[1:08:45] in unincorporated county or in a city.
[1:08:48] >> True.
[1:08:48] >> A park probably. Okay, that makes some
[1:08:50] more sense. Um I mean is there a a
[1:08:55] thought or a consensus among everybody
[1:08:57] here that there needs to be like perfect
[1:09:01] consistency from you know jurisdiction
[1:09:03] to jurisdiction
[1:09:07] perfect might be harder but close
[1:09:12] » I just think to county probably mean
[1:09:14] they are different cities so that they
[1:09:17] because they don't know that they cross
[1:09:18] over
[1:09:20] county or city. Yeah,
[1:09:22] >> I think the challenge might be too that
[1:09:25] where there's a greater density of
[1:09:26] cyclists, that's where it could be an
[1:09:29] issue where there are more rural
[1:09:32] counties or even suburban cities now
[1:09:34] there aren't as many cyclist and maybe
[1:09:36] they're not as maybe it's not as big
[1:09:37] concerned how fast eikes run compared to
[1:09:40] those aris
[1:09:43] like our city very concerned because of
[1:09:45] the if you're using a trail at a grade
[1:09:49] as a cyclist without a bike that's very
[1:09:51] the most zoom up. So they had a lot of
[1:09:54] issues upside back the difference how
[1:09:57] fast you can go especially at grade
[1:10:00] >> context context matters.
[1:10:02] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's fair.
[1:10:07] » Anybody anybody again willing to share
[1:10:09] about
[1:10:11] >> usually is Mayor Bond still on?
[1:10:15] because I I I live in Syracuse, so I do
[1:10:18] remember seeing something in our
[1:10:19] newsletter, although I don't get the
[1:10:22] hard copy anymore. I have to click on
[1:10:24] the link and then scroll through, but I
[1:10:25] just looked up on the website and
[1:10:26] there's a very in-depth section on
[1:10:29] Syracuse City's website. Um, and I do
[1:10:33] see plenty of kids ripping through the
[1:10:35] neighborhood on not ebikes
[1:10:38] for sure.
[1:10:42] >> Not kid
[1:10:44] does not have e motorcycles. They got
[1:10:46] bikes um or access to.
[1:10:49] >> So anyway, don't know if but I know
[1:10:52] Syracuse city sent out some stuff in the chat. That would be great.
[1:11:02] Police also put out like a little flyer
[1:11:05] that talks about HP3 381 and the
[1:11:09] different requirements that are going to
[1:11:10] be coming.
[1:11:11] >> Okay. Would you mind sending that to me
[1:11:13] and then we can get it Yeah.
[1:11:14] >> put out today later. Yeah. Thanks.
[1:11:18] And I'm glad David you mentioned that a
[1:11:20] lot of the from what I've seen resources
[1:11:24] put out about this have come from
[1:11:25] enforcement
[1:11:27] departments right within cities.
[1:11:29] >> Uh you know you do a lot of planning
[1:11:32] here and limitation stuff but not a lot
[1:11:34] of enforcement talk. So if you're not
[1:11:37] sure if something can hear me now
[1:11:40] check yeah mayor. Hello.
[1:11:43] >> Okay. Sorry. [clears throat]
[1:11:45] Uh
[1:11:47] We've actually gone to great lengths to
[1:11:49] put out a lot of social media stuff on
[1:11:51] all of our channels as well as uh
[1:11:55] written information. It this is such a
[1:11:57] new part a lot of people just don't know
[1:12:00] about it yet.
[1:12:04] » Have you had any feedback that it's
[1:12:06] working well or tweaks you maybe made as
[1:12:09] you put out the material? It
[1:12:12] >> it's really mixed. Um there's the good
[1:12:14] and the bad. I mean some people are
[1:12:16] really appreciative to learn about this.
[1:12:19] Um unfortunately probably the more
[1:12:21] dominant feedback is if I can buy it my
[1:12:24] kid can use it you know and um so there
[1:12:28] are a lot of people who are buying
[1:12:29] things first not recognizing that there
[1:12:33] are legal limits to what kids can do and
[1:12:36] can't do. And um we we've had a lot of
[1:12:39] young kids on uh motorized vehicles and
[1:12:45] anywhere they just, you know, sidewalk
[1:12:47] roads just freefor-all. So it that's why
[1:12:51] we're spending a lot of time putting
[1:12:52] information out.
[1:12:55] >> Thank you. Thank you for sharing.
[1:12:58] >> Brad, I see you dropped something in the
[1:12:59] chat. Do you mind just speaking to that?
[1:13:01] >> Yeah. So, one of the things that we're kind of noticing is that the
[1:13:05] reporting for all the ebikes has often
[1:13:08] been complaint driven or injury driven.
[1:13:11] And so, we're trying to get a better
[1:13:12] picture of who has them, you know? So,
[1:13:15] we're actually looking at doing a
[1:13:16] statewide survey to get a better
[1:13:17] assessment of how many families have the
[1:13:19] different types of e vehicles and who
[1:13:23] which kind. So, we're we've got a lot
[1:13:25] going on that one, but it's still in IRB
[1:13:27] right now. We're hoping to work with DPS
[1:13:29] on getting it pushed out here fairly
[1:13:31] quick.
[1:13:33] >> Yeah, that'll be really fascinating to
[1:13:36] hear what the data is on that.
[1:13:39] [clears throat]
[1:13:40] >> This is Joy. I'll chime in. I'll tell
[1:13:42] you, um, the hardest part that we have
[1:13:44] in the municipalities is the fact of
[1:13:47] enforcement.
[1:13:49] Um
[1:13:50] although this is a a you know critical
[1:13:54] uprising that's going on um there's
[1:13:58] bigger fish to fry and so it just
[1:14:00] becomes
[1:14:01] very difficult for us to
[1:14:05] apply manh hours towards something like
[1:14:07] this when we have bigger things that we
[1:14:09] have to deal with. So that's why it's
[1:14:11] hard on a on on a local level to enforce
[1:14:15] anything. But certainly awareness and the state statue when you asked the
[1:14:20] question earlier,
[1:14:22] would it be wise to have something that
[1:14:25] uh would c people wouldn't know when
[1:14:27] they're crossing from a county to an
[1:14:28] unincorporated area or from city to
[1:14:31] city? I mean, if we all have different
[1:14:33] rules and regulations, it's going to be
[1:14:35] even more impossible for anybody to
[1:14:39] enforce. So I think that from the
[1:14:42] overall point of view we do need to
[1:14:44] continue to work from the state level
[1:14:47] and have you know a good balance across
[1:14:51] the entire state on it.
[1:14:54] But again these devices there's more and
[1:14:58] you know that's constantly being evolved
[1:15:01] and every time you turn around you look
[1:15:03] and go okay what was that? It's it's
[1:15:05] gone from a onehe two wheel to, you
[1:15:09] know, scooters, bikes, you name it. So,
[1:15:11] pretty soon we'll be having hoverboards
[1:15:14] everywhere, you know. So,
[1:15:16] again, that it all comes down to how do
[1:15:19] you really regulate it?
[1:15:21] >> And again, I think one of the big
[1:15:23] challenges is so many of the users are
[1:15:25] minors. So even when you do involve
[1:15:28] enforcement of any kind because
[1:15:31] [clears throat] where these are being
[1:15:34] used is a big part of what is legal and appropriate. You know, you've got
[1:15:39] people on public trails, you've got
[1:15:41] people in bike lanes, you've got people
[1:15:44] on sidewalks, you've got people right
[1:15:46] out in the middle of the road that are
[1:15:48] on a device that only goes 20 miles an
[1:15:50] hour. That's uh difficult because it
[1:15:53] involves a lot of things. But once you
[1:15:55] get law enforcement involved, if you uh
[1:15:58] detain a minor just to try even to try
[1:16:01] and educate them, then you've got adults
[1:16:04] later that have to get involved as well.
[1:16:06] So, um I I've heard some pretty wild
[1:16:10] ideas out there and another former mayor
[1:16:14] said that they were impounding devices.
[1:16:16] Uh, I don't think that that's actually
[1:16:18] legal, but you know, I there are people
[1:16:22] still fishing around with how we how we
[1:16:25] manage this. And so I would love to see
[1:16:28] the state uh give more guidance on on
[1:16:32] what enforcement measures are legal cuz
[1:16:37] you know we we're we're not trying to be
[1:16:40] difficult to people but education
[1:16:42] usually starts when somebody realizes
[1:16:44] that somebody cares enough to tell them
[1:16:47] that this isn't right or you know I mean
[1:16:50] because there there are injuries you
[1:16:52] know one question that came up with us
[1:16:54] is who's liable If someone on an ebike
[1:16:57] injures a pedestrian in a pedestrian
[1:17:00] safe area and then they claim, well, I
[1:17:03] was on an ebike, which bikes are
[1:17:05] supposed to be illegal on trails, too.
[1:17:08] Um, that we're, you know, we're trying
[1:17:10] to navigate that. We're trying to
[1:17:11] understand what's the appropriate
[1:17:13] response. So, I think there's a lot of
[1:17:15] questions out there right now, more than
[1:17:18] there are answers today.
[1:17:22] >> Yeah. Thanks, Mayor. You you mentioned
[1:17:24] possible impoundment and Cameron Carter
[1:17:26] maybe you know more about this. If I
[1:17:29] remember right the the new legislation
[1:17:32] House Bill 381 does allow for
[1:17:36] um e devices to be impounded by a police
[1:17:39] officer and only to be released to the
[1:17:42] parent or legal guardian of the minor
[1:17:45] that it was impounded from. Um somebody
[1:17:48] correct me if I'm wrong on that if you
[1:17:49] know better please. But that's my
[1:17:51] impression. Dam you give a thumbs up.
[1:17:54] Okay. Yeah. So legally from the state
[1:17:58] that that is an option.
[1:18:00] But again to all your points, how
[1:18:02] practical is the ability to enforce this
[1:18:04] all the time, right? It's really really
[1:18:06] tricky. And so it's a culture thing.
[1:18:07] It's an education thing
[1:18:10] um that uh I think we all need to work
[1:18:12] on together. If if for some reason um
[1:18:16] you weren't able to share your resource
[1:18:18] today, please send that to us and we'll
[1:18:22] compile what was been shared today and
[1:18:24] we'll look up some other uh try and look
[1:18:27] up some other educational things that
[1:18:29] are out there and share them um with the
[1:18:32] group. And um if if there's nothing
[1:18:36] satisfactory, maybe we need to work on
[1:18:38] something together that might be a
[1:18:39] simple handout. Or u in Boulder, they
[1:18:43] had
[1:18:44] um door [clears throat] hangers that
[1:18:46] they made and they would if they saw um
[1:18:50] an illegal e device, right, that's not
[1:18:53] street legal, was not an ebike, they put
[1:18:56] a little door hanger right on the
[1:18:57] handlebars to say, "Hey, just FYI, this
[1:19:00] is what's legal. This is what's not.
[1:19:02] giving these to you because your device
[1:19:03] is not legal. So maybe there's something
[1:19:06] like that. I know Sonic County might be
[1:19:07] interested in something like that,
[1:19:08] Council Member Harrison. So um
[1:19:11] [clears throat] yeah, just different ways. And hopefully we can
[1:19:15] I'll get to the best resources here. And
[1:19:19] one thing I'd add even I saw that Trails
[1:19:22] Foundation Northern Utah has some stuff
[1:19:24] on their web page. Um, I was up at North
[1:19:28] Fork on Mount Lake Trails and they had
[1:19:30] little sign that said class one only,
[1:19:32] class two and three. Not again really
[1:19:36] hard to enforce, but it's again
[1:19:37] education. Maybe it's more community
[1:19:40] enforce that you see someone
[1:19:43] and say something, you know, versus
[1:19:46] calling the sheriff or whatever
[1:19:49] and just be nice about it,
[1:19:50] >> right? I mean, I noticed it on the a
[1:19:53] trail sign. So, um, and I I think it's
[1:19:57] different as I was looking through some
[1:19:58] of it on forest property. You know, you
[1:20:01] could be on a road
[1:20:03] on a different type of bike, but when
[1:20:05] then you go on the bite mountain bike
[1:20:07] trail, different type of so it was nice
[1:20:11] that they had them signed at least.
[1:20:16] Um, and one thing I think as we look at
[1:20:19] enforcement and rules, we already
[1:20:22] together as a group listed all the great
[1:20:23] things about ebikes, right? We want
[1:20:25] those things to be available to our
[1:20:27] communities and to people, right?
[1:20:29] Because of the way it expands their
[1:20:31] mobility. So, as we, you know, tackle
[1:20:35] this as communities trying to say, but
[1:20:37] we want to be able to move in these
[1:20:39] ways, we want this to be available, but
[1:20:41] in a responsible manner, right?
[1:20:43] [clears throat] And so trying to strike
[1:20:44] that balance as we move forward.
[1:20:47] Whereas like the state of New Jersey um
[1:20:50] this last year basically said you need a
[1:20:53] driver's license for any type of ebike
[1:20:55] or e device or anything like that and
[1:20:56] made it really really restrictive. Um
[1:20:59] you know and that comes to to be harmful
[1:21:02] to members of our community that rely on
[1:21:04] you know ebikes to get around and maybe
[1:21:06] you know that's their own mobility
[1:21:08] option. So, we don't want to go that far
[1:21:10] in.
[1:21:12] Um, okay. One last.
[1:21:15] No, which one?
[1:21:20] » Um,
[1:21:21] >> yep, you're good.
[1:21:24] Um, so that last question of the day.
[1:21:28] [clears throat]
[1:21:30] This is helpful feedback for us. Um,
[1:21:33] this was new. Some new themes are
[1:21:39] not new, but it was a good review for a
[1:21:41] job.
[1:21:43] [laughter]
[1:21:57] And if you have specific questions um
[1:22:00] you don't want to again share today or
[1:22:01] resources please reach out and have to
[1:22:04] engage with you and provide assistance
[1:22:05] where we can but again uh great partners
[1:22:08] out there a lot of police departments
[1:22:10] are doing things in this regard bike
[1:22:11] Utah some great resources we mentioned
[1:22:14] the office of outdoor recreation and the
[1:22:18] it says an e bike or an e motorcycle. Um
[1:22:21] we'll make sure all these get out into
[1:22:23] our followup now as well. So I think
[1:22:28] it's glad glad to see that there was
[1:22:29] some new material here and some things
[1:22:32] for for us all to think about moving
[1:22:35] forward.
[1:22:37] Okay, thanks Mayor. I think that's uh
[1:22:40] all on that topic. Okay. Well, uh that
[1:22:43] was actually our last topic of
[1:22:45] discussion on the agenda, but if the
[1:22:48] there's any other business, you know,
[1:22:50] certainly pop it up now. Otherwise, um I
[1:22:53] just want to make sure that all you guys
[1:22:55] mark August 11th as our next meeting
[1:22:58] that we'll be holding. And um certainly
[1:23:01] I appreciate all the participation and
[1:23:03] the information that was shared today.
[1:23:05] And if there's no other business, I'll
[1:23:08] entertain a motion to adjurnn.
[1:23:11] So moved.
[1:23:13] >> Thank you. Is there a second?
[1:23:18] » I'll second it.
[1:23:20] [laughter]
[1:23:23] » I was going to say you guys are too
[1:23:24] quiet. Anyway, thanks again and make
[1:23:27] sure you travel safe today and we
[1:23:30] appreciate you taking time out of your
[1:23:31] busy schedules.
[1:23:33] >> Bye everybody.
[1:23:35] >> Bye.
[1:23:37] Dr. Eric