1 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,840 I'm part of a different team. 2 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,720 I'm I'm going to be going to Spain in 3 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,280 August. 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:30,670 We 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,360 I am looking forward to 6 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,880 spending time with my grandson in 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,030 California. 8 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:39,360 I'm looking forward to my daughter's 9 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,120 graduating next month and we're doing a 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:46,270 little vacation down in St. George. 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,960 I'm going to give one in the past. We 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,040 got back a couple weeks ago from Harry 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:55,360 Potter world with a 9, 6, and 2-year-old 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,000 with the wands and the whole thing. 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,440 And they had the time of their lives and 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,535 they said, "Dad, let's move to Florida." 17 00:01:03,535 --> 00:01:14,230 >> [laughter] 18 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,360 » I'm looking forward to our conversation 19 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:30,150 on scrap program. Oh, yes. 20 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:31,720 All right. So, 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,960 on the agenda next we have Utah 22 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,480 Association of Special Districts. 23 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,120 However, there was a little bit of a 24 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,840 communication issue, so we are going to 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,520 switch around 26 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,960 3.3 and 3.5. 27 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:44,280 So, we're going to 28 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,360 ahead to talk about 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:47,120 um 30 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,960 public perception of what we're 31 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,560 So, what I'd like everybody to do is if 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,160 you don't have a pen or pencil, staff, 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:02:00,390 you can pass some around. Um 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,080 So, first I'd like everybody to 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,040 uh on their 36 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,160 you know, I'm sorry, on their 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,920 sticky notes 38 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,800 write down 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,760 uh and this is this is everybody, board, 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:17,910 staff 41 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:21,230 well 42 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:32,670 what you think we're 43 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,240 That's the way to go. 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:56,841 Um 45 00:02:56,851 --> 00:03:11,110 » [clears throat] 46 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,880 » All right. So, after 47 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,200 you have a chance to write down 48 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,440 uh what you think we do well, 49 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,440 will you take a minute um 50 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,120 on a different on a different sticky 51 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,600 note 52 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,720 um and write down what you think some of 53 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,640 the perceptions that the public has of 54 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:32,160 us. They can be good, they can be bad. 55 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,760 And something might pop up. 56 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,400 Um and then also cities. And you And you 57 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,280 know sometimes uh relationships with 58 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,200 cities can be a little bit different 59 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,200 than uh public perceptions, but they 60 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,960 overlap. So, what are some of the 61 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,000 perceptions that you run into, that you 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,520 hear, what people are calling in, um 63 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,720 complaining, 64 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,600 um 65 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,960 that you that you that you that you see 66 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,160 about what we're 67 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,160 um 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,920 Also in that category, areas where we 69 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,240 might be misunderstood or invisible, 70 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,600 like not 71 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,000 acknowledged or not seen for what we're doing. Take a Take a minute and 72 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:13,990 write those down. 73 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,000 One thing on each individual note? 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:56,390 Doesn't matter. You can write down. 75 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,120 Okay. So, now after you have a chance to 76 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,400 write those down, what I'd like you to 77 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,080 do is talk to somebody 78 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,920 uh next to you. If If you would like to 79 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,760 get up, I think it would be really great 80 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,360 to have staff and board members discuss 81 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,520 with each other as well, but also to 82 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,600 have different municipalities 83 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,600 share some of these same things because 84 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,240 some of the 85 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,160 um 86 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,040 perceptions that we see are different in 87 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,400 different municipalities. So, take a few 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,080 minutes and discuss with somebody next 89 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:27,960 to you both of these things. Things that 90 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,600 you think that we're doing well, things 91 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,600 that we are are 92 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,360 successful at, and then also uh um 93 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,840 concerns or uh perception issues that we 94 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:40,800 might be dealing with with the public. 95 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,950 So, everybody get a partner. 96 00:05:44,960 --> 00:06:26,670 Take a few minutes and discuss. 97 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:27,760 The analogy 98 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,240 So, I put 99 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:49,390 the line 100 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,160 On the perception side 101 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,510 going on more negative 102 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:00,400 These right here is what I have down. 103 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:08,390 I only I never hear from anybody 104 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,120 It's So, the only one that we get out of 105 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,510 it is 106 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,320 Okay. So, let's talk about fears. 107 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,240 I want So, let's let's talk as a group. 108 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,720 What we're going to find is So, what are 109 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,920 some things that we we believe we're 110 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,040 doing well? 111 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,800 Reliable. We You put your can out, it 112 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,680 gets picked up 113 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,480 without fail. All right. So, here's 114 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,040 something that I have to say that I 115 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,800 think somebody can use. I believe 116 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,880 strongly that being able to spell well 117 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,120 is genetic and I do not have it. Um 118 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,560 that's why I switched over to PowerPoint 119 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,320 many years ago cuz the number of times I 120 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,240 embarrassed myself. So, 121 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,200 call me out if I spell something wrong. 122 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,360 I travel 123 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,080 It's fine. 124 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,720 I've done it enough times, it does not 125 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,120 phase me. 126 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,080 Okay. So, we're reliable. We do 127 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,520 We We get it tracked and we get stuff. 128 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,200 What else? What else do we do well? My 129 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:10,150 coverage area. Okay. My coverage area. 130 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Okay. 131 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,280 What else? Communication. Okay. 132 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,360 What do you think communication what do 133 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,640 you mean? I always like how I would 134 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,920 always get updates and mailers in 135 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,160 regards to when the scrap program was 136 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,800 happening with the calls to do the 137 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,280 reservations and everything like that. 138 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,240 And it's kind of continued 139 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,120 into this role, but I think really the 140 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,280 communication has been 141 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,640 very good. Yeah. Okay. 142 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,320 Yeah. No, no, that's good. Okay. What 143 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,479 else? 144 00:08:39,479 --> 00:08:41,800 App and website development. 145 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,039 Sorry, say that again. App and website 146 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:49,910 development. 147 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Is there an app? 148 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,160 Yes, and it's so cool cuz you can put in 149 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:55,520 something to find out if I can recycle 150 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:56,440 it and it will tell you if you can 151 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,400 recycle it or not. It'll give you your 152 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,200 days for recycling, things the scrap 153 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:11,590 program. 154 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,800 You got to cross off community with us. 155 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,840 Bonds and maps. Well, there's the gap, 156 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,880 right? That you do it well, but then 157 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:25,070 there might be a misperception on it. 158 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,360 Yeah. Good. 159 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,800 Seven seconds. Yeah. Any other things 160 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,960 that we do well? 161 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,680 And and whether this And I'm sure some 162 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:35,440 public sees this, but I do appreciate 163 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,200 specifically in November how it's a 164 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,200 really a team and a staff that cares. 165 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,920 Like I've been really impressed with 166 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:49,590 being able to see it. 167 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,840 And maybe it's that they care, but they 168 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,960 take real pride in their response. I 169 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,400 agree with that. With that, a lot of 170 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,720 this I feel like I mean, 171 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,920 the basic job is like our trash and 172 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,680 recycling get picked up and that happens 173 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:04,230 and that that's what happens. Like our 174 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,080 liability too, right? Like we're we're 175 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,880 doing what we are what our mission is. 176 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:08,880 We're keeping our residents happy. I 177 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,440 think WFRD could be can think outside 178 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,800 the box. They could be innovative. 179 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:14,880 Um 180 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,440 and be creative with the service. 181 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:24,150 Lots of company capital. 182 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,000 Okay. 183 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,760 All right. I think the part where we get 184 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,440 all the complaints. So what So where do you feel like 185 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:33,720 um 186 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,080 are what is the public perception uh 187 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,160 good or bad place that we that we hear? 188 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,640 Yeah. Um Matt? 189 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:42,600 I I [clears throat] was I was telling 190 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,320 her the group earlier the only people 191 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,760 that reach out of course don't call and 192 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,720 say, "Hey, the price is great. Thank you 193 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,280 so much." Sure. So for me, it really is 194 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,480 "Hey, it's too expensive 195 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,760 or I want a different type of service." 196 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,440 This attitude. 197 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,920 So let's let's 198 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:01,200 dig into that just a little bit. Type of 199 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,440 service. So when people are asking for a 200 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:03,760 different type of service, what are they 201 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,560 asking? What are they asking for? Well, 202 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:06,960 I think it should vary as much as you 203 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,839 can. There are some that say, you know, 204 00:11:08,839 --> 00:11:10,520 maybe they would want recycling every 205 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,400 other week. Or there are some that say, 206 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,160 "I wish grass was included." Or I wish 207 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,120 or you know, 208 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,360 curbside pick up or other that's a 209 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,960 definite one that I get reached out to. 210 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,440 So it's just Look, it's what we do and 211 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,160 planned on and we're reliable. It's just 212 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,200 other opinions on wanting to do it 213 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,800 differently. Okay. They want those 214 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,360 things at the same cost. Yeah. 215 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,000 Or I want to pay less for residential. 216 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,839 Oh, at all. So yeah. Oh, okay. I get it. 217 00:11:38,839 --> 00:11:40,920 All right. So along with that is that 218 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,120 people consider it a basic function. 219 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,000 Like it's not a premium service. It's not 220 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,960 something that people feel like they 221 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,280 are afforded. 222 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,800 I should be able to put my trash out on 223 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,640 the curb and that's what gets away. And 224 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:53,880 that's just 225 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,240 because I'm a citizen of the United 226 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,200 States of America. 227 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,160 So it's It's considered a basic 228 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,640 function. Not something that people see 229 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,720 the service value of. 230 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,960 It's value in the building and we got to 231 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,110 get going. 232 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,720 I'm going to go and work on those things 233 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,350 first. First the bad part. 234 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,640 I think we have to evacuate within West 235 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,800 Valley City within looks like a gas leak 236 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,790 is massive. 237 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,960 So all right. 238 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,600 I got to just say what we do well. 239 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,400 So I sent the cool spreadsheet that we 240 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,720 got last meeting to my daily people in 241 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:40,320 council and they're like, "Wow, they do a lot for what they do." Because 242 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,839 only 1/3 if that of Murray is on WFRD as 243 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:45,440 of the department that I saw many years 244 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,640 ago and the rest, you know, is on 245 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:48,839 Murray's on a different system. We're 246 00:12:48,839 --> 00:12:50,480 going to like, "Wow, we got to 247 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,240 have our public works step up our game." 248 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,960 So we're you know, comparable to the 249 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,560 rest 250 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,320 WFRD part of it. So 251 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,280 yeah, yeah. The perception of my other 252 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,000 council I'm new. So I like it. It's a 253 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,640 good thing. And then the municipal 254 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,760 services part of that? Yeah. Almost true 255 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,040 to form. Very important. 256 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,520 So here as far as the perception Well, 257 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,160 part of the services that we're 258 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,080 providing our recycling box. 259 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:21,670 >> your program. Okay. 260 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,080 I think it goes with the basic service 261 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,600 that you were just describing and the 262 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,280 value because a lot of times the 263 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,680 perception from the residents is 264 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:32,160 they want all of that at the same cost. 265 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,120 They want all those things that you took 266 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,960 off like I had off to the side all at 267 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,520 the same cost. But maybe it's kind of 268 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,560 communication, basic service and value 269 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:43,400 are kind of going right in the middle. 270 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,480 Because I think we understand it. 271 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:48,360 But I don't know what the greatest 272 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:49,760 method of getting the residents to 273 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,200 understand them. 274 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:52,160 That's kind of getting right in the 275 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,760 middle. So you're leading exactly 276 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,910 Wait. 277 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,200 Is what's So looking at the the gaps 278 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,240 between what we're doing well and what 279 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,160 our perceptions are, like how do we 280 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,120 identify those gaps? Is it Is it a 281 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,920 service gap? Do we need to change the 282 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,400 services? Is it a communication gap that 283 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,360 we need to let people know about what 284 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,680 our app is? Like what How are we 285 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:19,880 identifying what those gaps are? Yes. 286 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,720 Just one more for the 287 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,160 do be better one. I think I think maybe 288 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,280 it's communication or a perception 289 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,280 thing. But at the Utah League of Cities 290 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:29,480 and Towns that 291 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,320 uh we just sat, um I heard somebody say 292 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,839 in past we were talking about special 293 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:36,000 districts saying, "Oh, I don't know if 294 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,640 they're necessary anymore like the open 295 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,800 market do all the things and there's 296 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,079 plenty of competition." So like a 297 00:14:43,079 --> 00:14:45,880 perception that that's not a neces- like 298 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:47,760 special districts is not a necessary 299 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,560 thing in Utah anymore. And uh you know, 300 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:51,880 that wasn't the first time I heard 301 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,280 something like that. And so I mean that 302 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,800 might be a a misperception of people and 303 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,360 why they support that especially the 304 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,079 first like 305 00:15:00,079 --> 00:15:01,959 Okay. So so so the perception might be 306 00:15:01,959 --> 00:15:04,560 that we're unnecessary. 307 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,200 All right. So let's move on to 308 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,480 the gaps. So let's look here. 309 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,800 Um 310 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,240 So the app being unknown, what were the 311 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,120 gaps in there between what we we thought 312 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,240 we were doing cuz this app's pretty 313 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,959 great. Like I was looking up can I 314 00:15:19,959 --> 00:15:23,959 recycle like a strawberry like container 315 00:15:23,959 --> 00:15:25,280 and it would tell me like you can 316 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:26,720 recycle it. So then I could say that's 317 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,680 cool. Um 318 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,480 And so that one. But nobody knows about 319 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,320 it. 320 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,360 So how do we identify some of these gaps here? Like like 321 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:36,959 communication problem or is it a service 322 00:15:36,959 --> 00:15:38,760 problem? What do you think? I think 323 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,240 there is a communication piece and I 324 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,839 know like Katerina does a good job of 325 00:15:44,839 --> 00:15:46,880 reaching out to our PIO and our 326 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,360 communications team. But for the most 327 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,880 part we're relying on the cities to 328 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,959 share it, right? 329 00:15:52,959 --> 00:15:55,320 But I for sure got your email this week 330 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,079 about 331 00:15:57,079 --> 00:15:58,600 my payment process. Do you know what I 332 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,079 mean? So who are we missing? Is there a 333 00:16:01,079 --> 00:16:03,200 gap in communication? Cuz I I think 334 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,360 that's an issue that cities have as 335 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,760 well. I know we're always talking about 336 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,600 how are we actually reaching people? And 337 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,200 so 338 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,600 how how do we reach everyone when the 339 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,360 cities aren't able to reach everyone? 340 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:17,839 Well, that's the thing too, right? It's 341 00:16:17,839 --> 00:16:18,760 like 342 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,520 if you were involved in city government, 343 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:21,800 how often would you really be looking at 344 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,560 your city's website or following them on 345 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:25,320 social media or any of those things? 346 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:26,640 Like I 347 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,200 Here's I wasn't involved in any of that 348 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,959 before I I started getting 349 00:16:29,959 --> 00:16:33,760 involved in city government. I think we have a communication issue in the 350 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,480 sense that I mean we might be unique 351 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,040 because only a third of WFRD of Murray 352 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,400 is on WFRD. So we can't just 353 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,280 like we can't just say in our 354 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,040 newsletter, "This is what WFRD is 355 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,600 doing." It just confuses people because 356 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,880 people are like, "So wait, do I live in 357 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,720 this area? Do I live in that area?" And 358 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,560 so any new change we do, it's hard to 359 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,079 message out because So I think that's 360 00:16:55,079 --> 00:16:56,600 important for WFRD to keep in mind 361 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,959 because if we're if we're relying on the cities to communicate that 362 00:17:00,959 --> 00:17:02,720 information, 363 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,839 um and only part and some of the cities 364 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:05,800 don't feel like they can just 365 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,160 communicate it to all their residents, 366 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,640 then maybe at WFRD we need to look at 367 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,600 other avenues to make sure that that 368 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,640 information is getting out because you 369 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,360 for a lot of good reasons you can't just 370 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:18,760 like disseminate it like universally. 371 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,400 That may just be a sense. So maybe not a service. 372 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,199 Yeah. I want to put uh under gap telling 373 00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:29,800 our story. Okay. Which is maybe a subset 374 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,400 of communication. Uh huge props to Evan 375 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,240 for coming in and turning over every 376 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,440 stone and looking at every single way 377 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,920 that we can make improvements. We had 378 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,160 this discussion earlier this year when 379 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,920 during the session of just how do we 380 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,080 handle this going forward? But telling 381 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,440 our story and that's kind of I'm going 382 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,960 to put that gap on board members. 383 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,240 Um I believe it's our job to actually 384 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,480 tell the story to our colleagues and to 385 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,440 our residents. For instance, Keith uh 386 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,520 just mentioned that he he get got our 387 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,760 newsletter for Cottonwood Heights. And 388 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,679 on the front page, every council member 389 00:18:09,679 --> 00:18:13,040 gets a turn. And during my time, my 390 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,760 turn, I talked about the trash district. 391 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,720 And I talked about how look, over this 392 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,360 next year, we are going to do everything 393 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:24,960 we can to be as competitive as we can 394 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,480 because on these community forums, the 395 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,560 people that take over are talking about 396 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,200 too expensive kind of this this the more 397 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,919 negative side. The the neighborhood 398 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:39,120 forums, they're all talking about the 399 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:40,280 negative. 400 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,080 But if we don't tell the story about how 401 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,960 we're rolling up our sleeves and really 402 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,080 trying to make a difference, 403 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,480 that will help residents feel a little 404 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,720 more patient and let things kind of 405 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,440 unfold and improve. And if we don't say 406 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,440 that though, they're just going to be 407 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,520 ticked. 408 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,800 And so that gap I I put on us board 409 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,800 members. We have to do that. 410 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,919 >> Now, I like that. I appreciate that because 411 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:05,720 so often in those settings people just 412 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,080 kind of get on a high horse about 413 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,880 something and it just kind of goes south 414 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,440 from there. So changing that narrative I 415 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,240 think is incredibly important. 416 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,560 Yes. That's it. So to 417 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:18,480 kind of stand on that. 418 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,440 In our meetings we have liaisons for 419 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,679 each of these boards that we have 420 00:19:22,679 --> 00:19:25,120 members on. And so every month in our 421 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,080 meetings we always take amount of time 422 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:28,800 on our agenda to actually have the 423 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,360 liaison. I'm liaison obviously for WFRD. 424 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,520 And we take the time to explain what has 425 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,280 happened at each monthly meeting, any 426 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,400 new changes, any big upcoming things 427 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,880 like the app or scrap program or 428 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,240 postcards that are going out. We post 429 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,919 the newsletter that you send. I don't 430 00:19:44,919 --> 00:19:46,440 have social media but I have somebody on 431 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:47,840 the council who does. So I have them 432 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,360 post it to all the different areas 433 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:52,640 people look in our town. And then we do 434 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,920 have it posted to our website. So 435 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,760 usually after each meeting we actually 436 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,400 talk with our recorder right then and 437 00:19:58,400 --> 00:19:59,960 say these things need to be added to the 438 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:03,080 website now so that that information is 439 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,560 actually going up in time. It seems to 440 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,480 work for our community but yeah, it's 441 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,920 great. An example. 442 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,200 No, I think that's really great and I 443 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,240 like I like the idea of combining that 444 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,880 what with what Matt is saying about 445 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,480 making sure that 446 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,480 we're communicating that value that 447 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,800 we're getting which leads me to kind of 448 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,040 the point that I think we all hear 449 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,480 is value 450 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,000 versus 451 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,760 expense. 452 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,400 This idea this is a basic service they 453 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,880 want the trash picked up or we have all 454 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,600 of these other services that are are 455 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,600 more premium and how do we how do we get 456 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,000 that gap? Do we do we are we hearing 457 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,880 that people say it's too expensive or 458 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,080 are they saying it's too expensive 459 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,840 compared to what? Compared to what's out 460 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,160 of the city? Compared to 461 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,760 the private market? Where where are we 462 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,760 hearing that? Hearing it residents what 463 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,480 like what what are you hearing? 464 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,040 I think what we've got going on right 465 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,400 now is we've got a very active private 466 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,040 market that's actually making that 467 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,280 statement locally. 468 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,120 They're they're interested in coming in 469 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,600 they're interested in presenting to 470 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,160 local cities they're interested in 471 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,400 presenting to local towns and they're 472 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,520 asking for that opportunity. They 473 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,760 believe they can do it cheaper. They're 474 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,240 getting in the ear local leaders and 475 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,640 local parties not just local leaders and 476 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,240 that is where a lot of this is coming 477 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,520 from if you're not aware of that you 478 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,160 need to be aware of that and so I've 479 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,400 heard it multiple times I've heard it 480 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,480 conferences now I've heard it in a lot 481 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,800 of different things where you don't need 482 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,720 government to do this private industry 483 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,680 can do this for cheaper. I don't know 484 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,680 why you allow bureaucracies who are 485 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,320 expensive and stuff to do this we can do 486 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,960 it way cheaper. 487 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,080 But what people don't understand is what 488 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,520 actually happened 489 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,600 happens and so there's a historic um 490 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,280 it's it's an interesting thing to follow 491 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,920 it historically when that happens and 492 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,600 you can actually see it it's it's cycles 493 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,600 right? When the private industry comes 494 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:07,120 in they underbid every single time they underbid for a period of time and 495 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:09,240 then they jump it up and you end up 496 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,120 paying more long term. Cuz they can't 497 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:15,080 the costs are the same right? They pay 498 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,640 the same landfill costs they pay the 499 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,000 same other costs and they take it out in 500 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,640 other ways where they have cost savings 501 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,040 and your services actually go down. And 502 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,400 so it's really interesting when you 503 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,960 actually look and compare private 504 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,200 industry to local there's a lot who 505 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,040 believe it's cheaper to go to private 506 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,360 industry but in actuality you lose 507 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,679 services. It's a balance of do you want 508 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:37,760 local control for your cities do you 509 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,480 want to be able to have a say or do you 510 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,280 want to go to private industry with zero 511 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,080 say 512 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,080 in your services? They can change it on 513 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,080 a whim and your contracts are year to 514 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,880 year. I mean that's really what you're 515 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,720 getting into and so 516 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,560 um having that in the public understand 517 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,640 what are your services you want to be on 518 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,760 where you have a say because you're a 519 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,040 part owner in a special district you 520 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,720 actually have a say in what's going on 521 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,920 what your services are you have a say in 522 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,679 how that service is going to happen you 523 00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:07,600 have a say in pricing you have a say in 524 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,440 all those things because you have a say 525 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,440 in the budget. 526 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,280 versus private industry where you're 527 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,560 just signing a contract and hoping 528 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,640 they'll service you and manage right? 529 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,240 They don't understand that cost 530 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,520 the difference between those two things 531 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,040 and you know I worked with special 532 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,640 districts for many many years I've seen 533 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,000 it cycle through and you you've seen 534 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,600 people leave these come back right? 535 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,000 Just a quick comment piggyback on what 536 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,126 Lauren just talked about. Um 537 00:23:36,126 --> 00:23:36,200 >> [clears throat] 538 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,760 >> they are at every chamber meeting they 539 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,200 are our they are our neighbors and I am 540 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,320 a 541 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,640 free market person I own my own business 542 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,720 I understand when government gets 543 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,640 involved in business that's not always 544 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,000 the best way of route to go but the fear 545 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,160 is that there really isn't a lot of 546 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,920 competition out there and if we jump 547 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,840 ship and leave this one whether we're 548 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,600 government sponsored government 549 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,920 bureaucracy whatever you want to call it we are the competition to the private 550 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,360 market out there and if we leave that 551 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:13,160 leaves just them and one thing that I 552 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,320 keep have said over and over to the 553 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,040 people in Taylorsville 554 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,880 we have a voice at the table and with 555 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,840 our competitors we're not going to have 556 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,800 a voice at the table and they have made 557 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,920 it abundantly clear sometimes they don't 558 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,920 know who I am at meetings they just 559 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,600 think I'm with Taylorsville and they've 560 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,760 made it very clear I'm coming after your 561 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,000 business what can we do? 562 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,440 So 563 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,720 you know I think any 564 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,520 today is really important because I want 565 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,360 to see competition in the market 566 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:47,520 regarding collection and I like the way 567 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,040 Wasatch Front and I like the services 568 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,920 and I think it's a good deal and so does 569 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,920 Taylorsville. 570 00:24:53,920 --> 00:25:06,760 So I want to 571 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,800 just make sure I'm summarizing what I'm 572 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,200 hearing here. So when we're talking 573 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,000 about value versus expense a lot of what 574 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,760 we're I'm hearing to identify this gap 575 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,960 really is in some ways a communication 576 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,160 gap because people are uh 577 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,040 focusing on money and then kind of in 578 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,480 private sector but what we're really 579 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,720 saying is is we're offering competition 580 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:27,679 is what they which is what they're 581 00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:30,320 really wanting and we're also offering a 582 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,679 voice at the table so that their 583 00:25:32,679 --> 00:25:35,440 representatives can be involved in 584 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,720 making those decisions on pricing and on 585 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,600 services so that they can then have a 586 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,760 voice. That did that feel like a good 587 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,520 okay Matt and then Nick. 588 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,200 Yeah, so Sandy City uses waste 589 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,280 management part of it obviously uses the 590 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,960 districts here and you'll get people 591 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,679 that will post and compare Sandy and 592 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:53,480 Herriman it's very very common on on 593 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,840 many different levels 594 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,480 and you know they will say that it's 595 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,280 just cheaper right? And 596 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,080 having been on the board a couple years 597 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,400 I've been able to use a bunch of 598 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,000 different approaches and see what what 599 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000 works and to be honest the one that is 600 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,679 getting most people to just stay calm 601 00:26:10,679 --> 00:26:13,280 and calm down and trust the process is 602 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,240 just when I'm just blunt with them and 603 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,480 it's what I said in in my article is 604 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,400 over this next year we're going to look 605 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,000 at XXX over the last year we've done 606 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,280 XXX. If after a year from now we are not 607 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,640 more competitive with the marketplace 608 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,080 then we're going to have a problem cuz I 609 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,080 think let's just be clear you know 610 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,440 Herriman's on the call and I actually 611 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,240 had a conversation with Mayor Palmer and 612 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,880 I said hey you know what the best thing 613 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,000 would be for Herriman is for the 614 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,480 district to actually be pretty healthy. 615 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,400 Because it then keeps competition in the 616 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720 marketplace which then helps those that 617 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,080 frankly have gone to the private market 618 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,840 and so 619 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,360 for me 620 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:57,000 I just instead of trying to explain the 621 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,040 local control argument which it worked 622 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,360 with some some it's just too nuanced. Is 623 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:04,200 it a dollar amount? It is that simple 624 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,360 and we have got to be more competitive 625 00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,280 but in that the only way that we're 626 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,040 going to be able to pull this off. So 627 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,520 thank you for the wonderful gentle lady 628 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,040 from Taylorsville 629 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,840 for mentioning all of those great things 630 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:17,679 is 631 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,520 we have to all 632 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,200 band together and give it our best shot 633 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,960 that over this next year we are going to 634 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,440 create a better district that is more 635 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,720 competitive more responsive to our 636 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,160 residents which then they're not going 637 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,160 to want to leave but if we just say well 638 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,320 we do this and they don't do this we do 639 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,120 the tree pick up and they don't do that 640 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:41,040 the majority of people you've lost them 641 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,400 it's done and they're just upset that 642 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,560 it's too expensive. 643 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,000 I think you I think you got a really 644 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,400 good point there Nick. 645 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,000 I just I think it's 646 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,360 incredibly important to underscore what 647 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,080 Lauren said. People don't feel like they 648 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,400 have partial ownership in this 649 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,920 and they're not going to listen to any 650 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,240 of those arguments. All they're going to 651 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,760 hear is somebody saying 652 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,560 I can do it for you cheaper. 653 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,360 And it goes to what Matt is saying as 654 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:05,720 well but I think there has to be 655 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,640 communication has to have a 656 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,920 at least a kernel of how are people 657 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,480 invested in this themselves. You show 658 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,480 them that they're owners of this and if 659 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,200 somebody is trying to take away what it 660 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,120 is they have 661 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,080 the access to seat at the table 662 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,720 and voice in what those decisions are 663 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,040 that's the only way you're going to get 664 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,480 people to really feel 665 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,440 I can just what I just what Lauren said 666 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,600 showing ownership is really really 667 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,080 important. 668 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,240 I agree with that as well but yes. 669 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,760 Well I I just 670 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,320 was thinking that you know there was 671 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,120 like this video like a short video that 672 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,600 kind of 673 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,800 highlighted some of the great things 674 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,280 that we could do and then but just also 675 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880 told the story of why it's important to 676 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,280 have a special district. I mean if you 677 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,919 think about it like combined we're like 678 00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:53,840 a really really big city with a lot of 679 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,960 purchasing power but 680 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,640 individually 681 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,960 we can't really have necessarily the 682 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,440 same effect right? And so like 683 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,280 I I I I feel like you know 684 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,840 like a any any marketing thing like 685 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,080 something where we could reach people 686 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,720 something quick and easy but then like 687 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,720 explain why you know what what we're 688 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,040 talking about why it's important to have 689 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000 a special marketplace. So where do you 690 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,960 think the responsibility for this 691 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,800 communication lies? I think 692 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,200 Matt identified that the to some degree 693 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,600 like 694 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,400 board members going back to our cities 695 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,000 and our city councils using the 696 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,640 opportunities that we have in our 697 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,280 journals is incredibly important. What 698 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,720 else can we do to um 699 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,000 to so it sounds like we're we're we're 700 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,800 saying first of all is this idea of 701 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,080 ownership I think is is key for a lot of 702 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520 people and then the second I think we're 703 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:53,150 going to miss. 704 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000 » And maybe the best way to summarize what 705 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,120 Matt is talking about as far as pricing 706 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,680 is but it's also like pricing and 707 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,640 efficiency. Like we're we're trying to 708 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,960 be the most competitive with the 709 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,960 services that we're offering. 710 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,560 Compensation 711 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,830 and then it is this. 712 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,240 And just to be clear on that, I mean I 713 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,240 think when I first got on the board, we 714 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,120 actually didn't talk too much about 715 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,720 actually being competitive. It was more 716 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,760 about when I went through orientation, 717 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,480 it was look at all the great things we 718 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,760 do, right? But that clearly hasn't 719 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,760 worked for some communities. And so I 720 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,200 think we just had to thank you I think 721 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,720 Kevin, frankly, is the one that did this 722 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:32,800 was we're going to have to be more 723 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,960 competitive. And I love when I shared at 724 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,720 my council meeting recently the fact 725 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,520 that you can pay for a pick up of a 726 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,960 fridge or a washer. 727 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,600 You would be surprised how many people 728 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,720 were so excited about that. And I 729 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,440 actually used an experience. I called 730 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,680 1-800-GOT-JUNK before this was offered 731 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,640 and it was super expensive to pick up a 732 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,520 single fridge. And people reached out 733 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,880 and said, "How do I do this? This is 734 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,560 super cool." It figured the rate 735 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,360 advantage. And those are real tangible 736 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,880 things. But we have we have to 737 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,760 communicate that. 738 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,800 I think maybe the language we use needs 739 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,360 to change because one of the things 740 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,160 people don't understand is that they are 741 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,240 owners. 742 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,920 Special districts is made up of a 743 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,200 boundary. And every person that lives in 744 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,200 the boundary owns a piece of a special 745 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,120 district. And that really is what it 746 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,160 comes down to. We're not a bunch of 747 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,440 cities that are members of the district. 748 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,960 We are a boundary and we're 749 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,320 representatives of those boundaries that 750 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,640 live in that district. Which is why you 751 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,880 have some cities where only partially 752 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,120 they're only partially part of that. 753 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,720 That's the beauty of special districts. 754 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,280 It's never started started as those who 755 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,840 those services and had to start that 756 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,000 district. So I think maybe how I decided 757 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,120 maybe we got to quit calling them 758 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,440 residents. 759 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:47,840 Maybe we need to call them special 760 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,600 district owners or or like investors or 761 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,160 whatever they are. But we need to talk 762 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520 about who they are really differently. 763 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,640 And and and maybe that's that's how the 764 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,000 language we need to change. Because 765 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,880 technically they're owners of this 766 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,320 district. Stakeholders. I only have one 767 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,870 concern about that. 768 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,840 In any form of government, not just this 769 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,200 one, residents don't have ownership in 770 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,600 that when they leave they get certain 771 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,240 equity payout. And that's been a 772 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,720 contention recently. So I'm going to 773 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,679 make that clear because we don't believe 774 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:21,360 that that's the case. 775 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,440 Understood. But but again, they're in 776 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,160 the boundary. Yeah, that's they've 777 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,440 chosen to do this. Which gives them that 778 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,880 kind of 779 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,240 say. Yes. From a philosophical 780 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:31,800 standpoint. 781 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,280 >> Yes. 782 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,480 But we need to be able to be able to 783 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,080 communicate that. 784 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,320 Um just to consider the broader 785 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,200 perspective, too. We're one of many 786 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,240 different special districts and we are 787 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,800 all facing many of the same challenges. 788 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,040 And 789 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,200 I think it'd be really important to 790 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,600 consider what those other special 791 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:49,920 districts are doing, how they're 792 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,640 managing the situation. 793 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,880 And a lot of us are are have roles in 794 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,880 this in those other districts, too. So 795 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,520 just to keep in mind we're not going 796 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,200 this alone. There's a lot of other organizations that are 797 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,600 going to face the same questions. How 798 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,000 can we capitalize on what each other 799 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,200 That's actually something I was 800 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,840 thinking. So cuz I'm sure we're all 801 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,280 starting budget season right now. 802 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,200 Um and every budget season, especially 803 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,600 after a new election when we have new 804 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,520 members on our city council, we have So 805 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,520 we're we're part of UFA 806 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,920 and UPD. And we have 807 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,360 our police chief and our fire chief come 808 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,480 in and they essentially do a whole 809 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,360 presentation about the value that they 810 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,920 offer for our city. 811 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:40,600 Um and it's very detailed and they go into just 812 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,920 a lot of about why their service is 813 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,040 beneficial to our community. 814 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,040 Um that's something that I thought 815 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,280 about. I know that Evan's been doing an 816 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,400 excellent job of going around to cities 817 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:50,520 and doing the same thing. But I'm 818 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,760 wondering if that's something that we 819 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,320 need to 820 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,520 um 821 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,440 do more regularly or have on a regular 822 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,400 rotation as far as like right before 823 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,120 budget season when we're having to make 824 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,800 these kind of decisions. Um 825 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,520 and I know UFA, if any of you guys are a 826 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,520 part of UFA, they do um 827 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,560 uh they have 828 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,120 fire school. Has anyone gone to fire 829 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,470 school? 830 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,560 I learned fire school. Um 831 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,359 but what it was very compelling as far 832 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:22,960 as making 833 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,879 uh UFA's case for value. And then they 834 00:34:25,879 --> 00:34:27,800 and they had some specific asks and they 835 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,760 were able to demonstrate this is why we 836 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,520 need X and by burning stuff up and how 837 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,280 it was better than we don't have have a 838 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,200 meeting. 839 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,280 Um and then I know when I got on this 840 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,120 board, it was helpful for me. We went to 841 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,679 the recycling plant and we walked 842 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:42,800 around. I don't know if anyone has had a 843 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,280 chance to do that as well. But maybe 844 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,120 that's something that we need to offer 845 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,000 to our councils is to invite not just 846 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,919 members of the board out, but members of 847 00:34:52,919 --> 00:34:56,200 the city councils out to see the 848 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,640 different services that we're providing 849 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,040 and kind of give them a more in-depth 850 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,520 experience. That's just something that I 851 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,560 thought of with what they were saying. 852 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,160 That's where Clark had the idea of 853 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,960 having like a video or some type of something we can 854 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,400 use multimedia so that in your absence 855 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,160 we have something else that can be 856 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,120 there. Whether it's only on Wood River's 857 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,600 website, whether it's also on the app, 858 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,400 whether it's on all of our websites. 859 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,480 However that would work for your city. 860 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,359 Um but having that in conjunction so in 861 00:35:26,359 --> 00:35:28,720 addition in addition. Because I'm sure I 862 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,080 don't know if you have the time to go to 863 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,000 every council meeting every month to 864 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,160 make sure that that's done in person. 865 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,160 And we have an incredibly small 866 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,000 population. So most of the people are 867 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,520 listening to the recording or seeing the 868 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,920 minutes rather than being there in 869 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,280 person. So it's just another way to 870 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,480 Well, I'm just saying that there's a DM 871 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,800 I probably would know that there was an 872 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,160 app. 873 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,720 somewhere I actually haven't read it. 874 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,760 Right. Well, people take information 875 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:52,960 differently. 876 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,240 >> Yeah, and like in our mailer for 877 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,200 example, I mean a lot of you use the 878 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,840 MSD. So when they do the bulletins 879 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,120 um we actually added that into ours as 880 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,560 well for our particular topic so that we 881 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,160 can have the app there and all the 882 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,040 different things for Wood River so that 883 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,680 people were at least getting the 884 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,280 information secondary to Facebook or 885 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,520 Instagram or just doing it on their own. 886 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,000 So. It sounds like what we're what we're 887 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,280 saying as far as like action items or 888 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,640 ways to address these. First of all is 889 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,920 what Evan's already started doing is 890 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,240 attending the council meetings 891 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,440 um for all of our different 892 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,400 municipalities. And then also uh 893 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:34,400 inviting councils to visit Wood River in some capacity 894 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,240 um to to see what we're offering and see 895 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:37,240 the different services that we're 896 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:39,040 providing. And then also media. Is there 897 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,600 anything else that we want to Yes. 898 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,720 I think it would be worth exploring at 899 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,920 least the cost-benefit versus 900 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,880 the cost of benefit of hiring some 901 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,120 expertise to look at the case 902 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,600 and to figure out the best way to fill 903 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,480 those gaps, to communicate those gaps to 904 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,440 people. 905 00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,760 Um 906 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,320 maybe there are professionals here 907 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,600 influence and 908 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,000 media campaigns, things like that. 909 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,400 I just think it would be worth seeing 910 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,560 what it would cost to hire that 911 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,359 expertise 912 00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:14,600 to figure out how we can reach these 913 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,200 people. 914 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,440 I have that as a very good question. I 915 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:19,840 have no idea to be honest. I don't 916 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,320 either. But it maybe you don't know 917 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,480 unless you look. Right. That's what I 918 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,880 asked. Yeah, very much. Yeah. I think 919 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,960 the other thing we need is to need 920 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,440 ambassadors. 921 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,080 Um and one way to get ambassadors is the 922 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,440 same thing that UFA and these others do 923 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,280 is to maybe have a trash and recycling 924 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,800 citizens school, right? Where they come, 925 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,160 they learn, and then they become 926 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,640 ambassadors. 927 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,880 Well, that's what I would like the 928 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,400 council visit to coming coming to Wood 929 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:45,359 River. And I would like what that looks 930 00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:46,640 like, like what the trash school looks 931 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,359 like. I mean there's nothing as cool as 932 00:37:48,359 --> 00:37:50,200 like putting out your own fire like with 933 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,960 fire school. I don't know. I always 934 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,400 wanted to be able to, you know, dump 935 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,200 truck in a landfill. 936 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,430 I want to do that, you know what 937 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,080 Love things that are not worth freezing, 938 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,750 right? 939 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,640 Something like that, right? Where we 940 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,440 where people are experiencing what we're 941 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,000 involved in. So I like I like that idea 942 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,240 as well. Cuz 943 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,080 the an idea of a citizens school where 944 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,120 we can bring anybody from the community, 945 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,240 not just the leaders. And I think that's 946 00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:21,990 important. 947 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,880 So I have one thing to add to it. I love 948 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,680 this idea. Please don't get me wrong. 949 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,320 But whenever we have things like this 950 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,840 that we're adding 951 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,520 great idea, also having somebody with 952 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,359 the professional background to look at 953 00:38:32,359 --> 00:38:34,280 these and see what the most like 954 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,280 beneficial way demographically is to get 955 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,760 the information out. Love it. Having the 956 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,160 community involved, having council 957 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,440 members involved. Love it. But then we 958 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,480 also have something that keeps coming up 959 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,960 are things that the residents don't like 960 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,440 and that's cost. 961 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,560 So anytime we have more involvement, 962 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,560 more studies, more times that people can 963 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,480 come out and see recycling, stuff like 964 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,720 that, we also have to consider the 965 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,960 amount of time and money that's being 966 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,960 put into it. And we have to make sure 967 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,520 that we have a good explanation of where 968 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,960 that's coming from, how it's being used. 969 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,560 Because when they see fee increases, 970 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:08,880 they're going to Those are going to be 971 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,200 the first things they want to eliminate. 972 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,200 No, I'm just saying that's why that's 973 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,680 the most powerful thing is for us to 974 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,840 have a seat. Yes. Because we are the 975 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,680 ones who they have selected as a source 976 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,240 to represent for information. I mean we 977 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:25,359 all get calls, "Hey, what's happening 978 00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:26,440 with taxes? What's happening with this? 979 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,960 What's happening with the police? I saw 980 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,200 a fire here. What's happening?" You 981 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,520 know, that that happens everywhere. We 982 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,640 are already built in into the structure 983 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,240 to be able to communicate with and have 984 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,200 to tell the story. 985 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,200 >> If we can get that information first and 986 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,400 make sure that that is super transparent 987 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,040 and explained ahead of time. I think 988 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,760 these types of things where you can see 989 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,640 through and move forward with. 990 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,280 But I just wanted to make sure that gets 991 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,000 noted that that's going to be the number 992 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,520 one thing people are going to ask 993 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,720 because they already are aware so 994 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:55,400 they're in the dark and the very first 995 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,240 thing they're going to think of is money 996 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,240 cost. Especially if right now they 997 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:01,640 aren't understanding all of the benefit, 998 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,360 they're not going to where like hey but 999 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,080 we have this and this and this going. 1000 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,240 They're going to automatically assume 1001 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,000 those things are tied to the fees. That 1002 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000 is not 1003 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,600 Finding a way to separate those and 1004 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,120 adequately communicate them before we do 1005 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,560 those types of things is completely 1006 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,920 really important. So with all of this I 1007 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,120 think the allocated cost 1008 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,680 is is the 1009 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,680 make sure that we're uh 1010 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,080 which we're trying to reach out. We're 1011 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,920 trying to increase our communication. 1012 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,600 Also not hoping that Evan has you know 1013 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,720 like eight arms and trying to like be a 1014 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,760 one-man show and in running everything. 1015 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,040 I'm not that he doesn't have an amazing 1016 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,000 team here but like but I know and we 1017 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,080 I've talked with Evan and they are they 1018 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,280 are all operating at 110% these days 1019 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,640 with with every all of these new 1020 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,560 initiatives that we have going on so we 1021 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,200 need to be conscious of um we don't we 1022 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,920 don't want to burden anybody else 1023 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,800 um because we just really appreciate all 1024 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,960 the work that you're doing. 1025 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,840 Just sort of one one note that we sort 1026 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,800 of talked about cost is that but but you 1027 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,600 know that 1028 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,200 you know Evan had pointed out just 1029 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,110 before us 1030 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,320 a lot of the cities that that are 1031 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,520 using other services 1032 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,240 that they actually offset part of the 1033 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,760 public 1034 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,160 super cost. So what 1035 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,920 the public doesn't see is well I'm going 1036 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,760 to pay this. The only reason you're 1037 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,760 paying that is because the city 1038 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,600 contributed 1039 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,440 X funds from the municipal general fund 1040 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,760 in order to keep that cost low. So it 1041 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,560 it's not a 1042 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,280 So we use 1043 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:36,760 comparison 1044 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,720 we're looking at here. 1045 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,320 We we display numbers. You don't know 1046 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,360 the back end of that numbers. You could 1047 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,360 say that it's not as as much as the fee 1048 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,720 goes it's just really difficult to make 1049 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:51,640 a direct comparison. It's about um 1050 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,840 Yes, sorry. Taylorsville did an 1051 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,640 excellent job at a board meeting 1052 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,240 recently. I remember seeing that at it 1053 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,240 and then your staff working actually did 1054 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:02,920 a comparison. Did a fantastic job of 1055 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,000 showing 1056 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,600 part of their property taxes paid for 1057 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,720 this which is why it's less expensive 1058 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,960 for the homeowner when in reality it's 1059 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,960 not. 1060 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,480 Um and I think water has the same issue 1061 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,480 in the state of Utah being compared to 1062 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,200 other states because states like Nevada 1063 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,240 will use water, then they clean it up 1064 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,200 and put it back into the system 1065 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,920 and therefore it looks like they're 1066 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,680 using a different number than Utah does 1067 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,360 because we don't put the amount of water 1068 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,200 that we're sending down the Jordan River 1069 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,120 that's clean back in the current 1070 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,560 numbers. And so they're not comparing 1071 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,240 apples to apples and it looks bad so 1072 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,520 that really is a communication thing 1073 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,960 that Taylorsville City did. I don't know 1074 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,480 if the other cities have. I just haven't 1075 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,280 listened to your meetings but 1076 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,360 your specific board meeting where your 1077 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:49,960 staff were explaining it was really 1078 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,360 helpful really helpful a lot of work and 1079 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,880 effort and 1080 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,040 so even if your cities don't do a direct 1081 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,280 comparison even being paid numbers like 1082 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,120 what Taylorsville did and using that 1083 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,694 when you're talking to your city 1084 00:43:02,694 --> 00:43:04,200 [clears throat] councils I think would 1085 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,840 go a long way. 1086 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,280 And so great job Taylorsville. I I 1087 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,360 appreciate that. So it sounds like what 1088 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,120 we're seeing is it's obviously there's a 1089 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,280 lot more that we need to communicate. I 1090 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,320 mean I think internally we're doing a 1091 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,760 lot to make sure that we're offering the 1092 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,920 best service at a competitive price and 1093 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,720 then externally it looks like what we're trying to do is make sure that as 1094 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,080 Matt said that we're telling our story 1095 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,720 because I think as Anna said like our 1096 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:33,520 story is pretty great. We offer a lot of 1097 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,840 services. We're looks like we're having 1098 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:37,680 what we're going to be talking about 1099 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,200 today is the dialing in and making the 1100 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,440 making sure that our services are the 1101 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,720 best. Um 1102 00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:45,040 and 1103 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,000 um 1104 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,760 making sure that we're really um 1105 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,640 making our story easy to tell so that 1106 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,200 people want to 1107 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:53,760 um 1108 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,400 stay with the the district because what 1109 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,160 we provide is so great. 1110 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,000 And and I think it is so it's just kind 1111 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000 of about um 1112 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,200 connecting those those dots together. 1113 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,440 All right, I think we are done with this 1114 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,000 piece and if anybody has anything else 1115 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,520 they want to add over all. 1116 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,320 Yes, it's Kevin. I I I'll just say I 1117 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,040 appreciate all the the open 1118 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,080 candid feedback and and this is exactly 1119 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,359 what we wanted in this discussion. We 1120 00:44:20,359 --> 00:44:22,760 want to hear what's good and what's bad 1121 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,359 and what's the the misperception and 1122 00:44:24,359 --> 00:44:26,320 what's the good bad and the ugly. We had 1123 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,440 a theme song joke that we were talking 1124 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,920 about as as part of this discussion. 1125 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,359 Now one thing I've been really focusing 1126 00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:36,000 on and communicating and presenting to 1127 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,800 the various councils and several new 1128 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,560 board members that we have this year is 1129 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,960 what what 1130 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,280 board member Holton mentioned is is 1131 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,920 telling our story. Telling the district 1132 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,680 story that we are a sole enterprise 1133 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,960 fund. 1134 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,120 A few things I've been emphasizing to 1135 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,720 our respective 1136 00:44:53,720 --> 00:44:56,240 partner cities is that what we do as an 1137 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,080 organization 1138 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,000 does not we don't ask for any resources 1139 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,359 from our partner cities. So there's no contract management. They're 1140 00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:04,760 not having to deal with the billing and 1141 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,680 account changes 1142 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,760 any sort of collections for for uh 1143 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,000 missed that are being made and things 1144 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,520 like that. So 1145 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,040 that comparison and that part of the 1146 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,440 story is critically important. So UFA 1147 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,200 and UPD coming to various cities 1148 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,160 they're asking for money from that 1149 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,486 city's purse their general funds. 1150 00:45:25,486 --> 00:45:25,720 >> [snorts] 1151 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,960 >> Well for us not doing everything that we 1152 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,520 do is entirely funded from 1153 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,640 the fees that we collect which which is 1154 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,960 limited by nature of our design 1155 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,560 of only collecting up to 40% in most 1156 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,800 cases that's part of the other 1157 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,120 discussion as well today but there are 1158 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,440 other services that we're providing 1159 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,040 beyond basic trash and recycling 1160 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,440 collection 1161 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,520 that are above above and beyond what a 1162 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,600 typical waste collection provider would 1163 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,280 provide 1164 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,040 cases as well. So 1165 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,200 understanding what those are and are 1166 00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,840 there different funding mechanisms? Is 1167 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,760 there a different model possibly for 1168 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,840 that? 1169 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,720 I'm not suggesting that there is but 1170 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,440 just that part of the story and 1171 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,840 understanding 1172 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,880 that everything we're doing including the leaf bag program and 1173 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,640 building and managing our website 1174 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,680 including our our billing and sending 1175 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,440 out bills etc. so on and so forth it's 1176 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,280 all funded from those user fees. There's 1177 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,240 no other money coming into the system. 1178 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,000 I think that's really important 1179 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,600 to keep in mind 1180 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,680 as we go back and share our story. Thank 1181 00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,000 you very much. 1182 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,800 All right, um 1183 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,440 so we're going to switch gears just a 1184 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,120 little bit. We really appreciate the 1185 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,600 grand coming. 1186 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,040 UACD Utah special improvement special 1187 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,040 districts um and talking to us we're 1188 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,600 going to switch gears and 1189 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,840 get started while he does 1190 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,960 Good. Thank you. Where would you like me 1191 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,359 to be? Would you like me to be in the 1192 00:46:48,359 --> 00:46:52,230 center of the coliseum? 1193 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:53,600 I think you're going to be seen better. 1194 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,840 Oh, thank you. Yes. 1195 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,800 I was ready to be among friends. You 1196 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,480 know Evan and I find ourselves but I 1197 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,080 think I'll talk about it and this coming 1198 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,880 to light roots. 1199 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,520 In the place of being in the 1200 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,040 notification 1201 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,400 but it's nice to be with you today. 1202 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,720 Appreciate the discussion we just talked 1203 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:11,320 about. And please don't shoot the 1204 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,880 messenger. 1205 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,680 And even after our session I hope to see 1206 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,320 you again. 1207 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,200 Uh maybe just a little story. 1208 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,800 Uh a couple of months ago I got a call 1209 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,040 from 1210 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,480 a citizen 1211 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,040 up in northern Utah We were counting 1212 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,040 uh asking some questions about um 1213 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,560 how they how can they create a district? 1214 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,440 Well we just ended a session where uh 1215 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,280 Evan and I 1216 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,160 um 1217 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,359 and just had a lot of fun 1218 00:47:38,359 --> 00:47:40,359 dealing with questions and issues about 1219 00:47:40,359 --> 00:47:43,120 districts and some pushback from some 1220 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,680 legislators who are relatively newly 1221 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,160 elected and it comes up periodically 1222 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,600 where they have questions about 1223 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,160 districts and and why we can't do 1224 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,320 how do they So this this citizen called 1225 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,840 and said how do we create a district and 1226 00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,920 talked about a few things and got into 1227 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,359 the weeds about what they are dealing 1228 00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:03,240 with kind of gets back to Lauren's 1229 00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:05,359 comments and municipal. 1230 00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:08,640 Uh in this case it was a water company. 1231 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,000 Uh they're served by a private water 1232 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,400 company and they're really upset. Why? 1233 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,480 Because they they aren't invited to the 1234 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,920 meetings. They can't go to the meetings. 1235 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,920 They're closed. Uh they can't get copies 1236 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,120 of minutes. They can't listen in. They 1237 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,400 have no input on the pricing. 1238 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,200 All of this is done by a private water 1239 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,320 company. This is what they have no 1240 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,440 feedback as Lori and others have 1241 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,160 mentioned. This is so they want to 1242 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,880 actually create a district in order that 1243 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,120 they might have the statute the state 1244 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,760 statute that will protect them allowing 1245 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,840 them to vote in attend these meetings, 1246 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,600 have input on the cost, actually be 1247 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:45,960 elected to a board and have feedback. So it's just interesting 1248 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:46,640 that 1249 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,800 to see the contrast and the the what 1250 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,280 push and pull that the that we sometimes 1251 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,920 experience and appreciate your your 1252 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,960 feedback here. Maybe just a couple of 1253 00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,000 observations on some of the discussions 1254 00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,280 that went on which I think were 1255 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,920 excellent. 1256 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,840 Uh some questions about what what could 1257 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,120 we do? There's a legislative audit that 1258 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,000 was done oh it's been 15 or so years ago 1259 00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,480 and some feedback came from the 1260 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,640 legislature on some things that boards 1261 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,800 can do 1262 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,720 in order to 1263 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,800 uh more effectively operate 1264 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,160 and one of those uh in other words it 1265 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,520 was an area where they found that some 1266 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,080 political subdivisions in the state of 1267 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,600 Utah were not doing whether it be 1268 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:29,000 districts or cities or counties or 1269 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,280 whatever. 1270 00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,760 And the recommendations that were given 1271 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,880 by the legislative auditor were 1272 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,240 uh for the board to establish 1273 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:38,080 performance criteria for example. 1274 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,280 And and if you have those things clearly 1275 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,640 laid out, which you do have those, I'm 1276 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,880 sure, but maybe continue [clears throat] 1277 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,480 to think in that area when you think 1278 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,120 about communications to the people, 1279 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,360 that is it would be well to polish some 1280 00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,800 of our performance criteria. What are 1281 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,400 the What are the goals and objectives of 1282 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:55,760 the board? 1283 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,080 And that extends to what are the goals 1284 00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,040 and objectives of the citizens? 1285 00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,920 Once you have those performance criteria 1286 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,600 laid out, then management has idea or a 1287 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:05,880 clear 1288 00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,720 as to what information they need to 1289 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,080 have for the board every month. That 1290 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,000 information can be easily uh sent out to 1291 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,840 the citizenry in a variety of ways. And 1292 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,600 uh just kind of maybe polishing, if that 1293 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,920 would be helpful, uh on the performance 1294 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,600 criteria and having it just be 1295 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:26,480 something that doesn't have to be 1296 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,480 recreated again going to the public, if 1297 00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,280 you get a better understanding with me. 1298 00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:31,840 Some of those Some of those items might 1299 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,880 be high level for the board, then others 1300 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,360 might be changed a little bit in order 1301 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:37,360 to go to the public. It's just a 1302 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,320 continual flow of feedback to 1303 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,520 uh 1304 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,640 That was some interesting um feedback 1305 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:44,680 that I think the water district in 1306 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,040 general. 1307 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,080 Uh some things that we have seen over 1308 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,360 time, which you already may be doing, 1309 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,640 that are helpful for districts, 1310 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,000 particularly where they serve multiple 1311 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,880 cities and counties, is to have the 1312 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,480 cities and counties have links on their 1313 00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,960 website that are clearly accessible. 1314 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,600 Not something they have to drill for and 1315 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,680 they dig for, but it's just somehow 1316 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,560 right there on the homepage. 1317 00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,120 A lot of cities have that and counties. 1318 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,080 Uh some may be helpful to kind of make 1319 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,760 that more apparent. 1320 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,520 Um 1321 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:15,480 And there's some other things we can 1322 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,160 talk about. So, you can discuss with you 1323 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,640 and Heather and Heather and Heather 1324 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,920 has a lot of ideas and expertise in that 1325 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,000 regard as well. I mean, working for 1326 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,840 uh Central Utah Water Conservancy 1327 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,480 District and developed a lot of issues 1328 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,320 with you guys. 1329 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,520 Uh one other item that I'll talk about 1330 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,400 just briefly about the function of 1331 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,910 districts rather in the state. 1332 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,560 Uh a number of years ago, uh when I 1333 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,600 worked for a very large district, we 1334 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,880 had, as is some sometimes common, 1335 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,880 uh certain 1336 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,160 Some people were very happy with the 1337 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,000 service, but there were there were some 1338 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,400 that were not 1339 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,960 uh whatever reason. So, we decided to 1340 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,240 create some committees 1341 00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,000 that um 1342 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,840 were focused in certain areas, whether 1343 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:01,920 it be 1344 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,120 uh budget and finance or govern 1345 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,960 operations or citizen groups. And we 1346 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,840 would invite in in the proper uh 1347 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,520 circumstances and situations, some of 1348 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,760 these individuals who uh raised a lot of 1349 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,200 concerns, and we'd involve these them on 1350 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,040 these committees. And the majority of 1351 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,440 the time, over the space of four or five 1352 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,960 or six months, 1353 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,960 began to change and become supportive of 1354 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:26,920 what we were doing. They were involved 1355 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,760 in kind of ad hoc committee where there 1356 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,480 might be a board member or two and some 1357 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,720 staff, but it might be some of these 1358 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,280 citizens as well that come in and give 1359 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,840 feedback. That helped us in improving 1360 00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,760 our performance. It also helped us in 1361 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,840 educating some key people in the 1362 00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,360 community who seemed to have some real 1363 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,640 communications going on. 1364 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,440 Uh but that always works successfully. 1365 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,240 There are there are those that might be 1366 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:51,600 activists 1367 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,600 that where it becomes a little bit 1368 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,000 difficult. We did have a couple of 1369 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,520 those, and that was that was 1370 00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,920 challenging, but the overall outreach to 1371 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,480 others and involving them in these 1372 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,800 committees was extremely positive and we 1373 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,880 ended up turning a lot of folks to 1374 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:05,760 um 1375 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,680 support what we were doing. 1376 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,040 So, just a couple of items just to 1377 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,400 consider. 1378 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,800 Uh districts, uh why in the world were 1379 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,120 they created? And if I'm going in the 1380 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,480 wrong direction, if you just kind of 1381 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,920 put me in the right direction. Go ahead. 1382 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,040 Um 1383 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,240 Uh Ben Franklin is my understanding is 1384 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,720 the person uh created the first 1385 00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:24,960 district. 1386 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,640 Uh it was the fire district. Do you 1387 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,840 remember what he did with lightning 1388 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,520 rods? You know? 1389 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,080 Yeah, it's because of fire and 1390 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,920 lightning. So, they created the first 1391 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,600 fire district back back east, 1392 00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,320 Pennsylvania or somewhere. 1393 00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,880 That was the beginning. 1394 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,960 Um 1395 00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,200 What is it that kind of drives 1396 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,000 districts? Uh you're familiar with this, 1397 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,720 I think. Um 1398 00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,880 It is a situation where a city or a 1399 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,440 county is either unable or unwilling to 1400 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,080 provide the service, 1401 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,320 and the citizens want the service, 1402 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,920 and so they 1403 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,760 have some vehicle to get the service. Uh 1404 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,840 before districts, which are 1405 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,400 as you know, are political subdivisions 1406 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,280 of the state of Utah, 1407 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,920 before that was the case, there really 1408 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:05,880 wasn't a vehicle for a city or a county 1409 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,720 to provide that service 1410 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,359 or unwilling to do so. So, that's really 1411 00:54:10,359 --> 00:54:13,240 where uh districts came into being. 1412 00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:16,440 Uh in addition to wanting service, there 1413 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,680 are some a number of situations, which 1414 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,800 you're familiar with as well in your 1415 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,280 setting, 1416 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,240 that drive district creation, and that 1417 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,400 is uh achieving economies of scale and 1418 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,920 efficiencies. 1419 00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,320 Um that's critical. 1420 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,960 In this particular environment of solid 1421 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,359 waste, um 1422 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:38,320 back in the district, a quick example, 1423 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,790 would be in the um 1424 00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,560 late '70s, early '80s, EPA passed a rule 1425 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,840 called Subtitle D, which affected solid 1426 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,359 waste in a big way. And essentially 1427 00:54:50,359 --> 00:54:52,520 said, all your little landfills and 1428 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,440 dumps, if you will, or burn piles, 1429 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:56,800 I don't know if you You kind of you 1430 00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,560 remember the burn barrels in your 1431 00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,240 backyard when you were younger. 1432 00:55:00,240 --> 00:55:01,480 Used to go out and carry that out with a 1433 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,520 little guy in the '60s and put the thing 1434 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,720 in and light it up. 1435 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,320 About all the smoke and all the 1436 00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:07,520 pollution. 1437 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,120 Landfills were the same way or dumps. 1438 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,800 That would be time. 1439 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:11,880 They just They 1440 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:13,160 They'd push it over the hill and light 1441 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,840 it on fire, and it was this eternal 1442 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:15,960 burn. 1443 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,600 Well, EPA came out and said, those have 1444 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,600 to be closed by a certain date, and if 1445 00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,520 you're not closed by this date, 1446 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,120 you, city, have complete responsibility 1447 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,720 for eternal care of that facility and 1448 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:30,320 remediation. 1449 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:31,400 And that kind of got everybody's 1450 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,880 attention, straightened their back a 1451 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,040 little bit. So, by that date, uh there 1452 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,000 were in Davis County, Morgan County 1453 00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,160 area, 15 cities and three counties that 1454 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,040 joined into a district in order to avoid 1455 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,280 all these little entities having 1456 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,800 liability for everything that's going 1457 00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:50,720 on, that achieve economies of scale, 1458 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:52,640 the the NIMBY thing was happening. We 1459 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,640 didn't want it in their backyard, so 1460 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,320 they had one facility they all worked 1461 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,840 together on. Were there disagreements? 1462 00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,920 Absolutely. There were there were 1463 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,320 challenges and difficulties that 1464 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,160 occurred, but they worked it out because 1465 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,720 they wanted to achieve these economies 1466 00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:08,640 of scale and so forth. So, that's some 1467 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:09,760 of the driving 1468 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,440 forces. Uh you want the service, you 1469 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,800 want to achieve economies of scale. 1470 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:14,920 Uh you're familiar with the different 1471 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,280 types of districts. I won't get into 1472 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,280 detail on that. You have migrated to a 1473 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,720 special district, which is totally 1474 00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:23,280 independent. We're familiar with that. 1475 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,840 Uh do you have any particular questions 1476 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,480 about districts? I just ask the 1477 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,800 question, and I'll keep talking. If you 1478 00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,440 do, interrupt me or raise your hand. 1479 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,160 But just to give you some some time to 1480 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,080 think and just a minute. 1481 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,390 Um 1482 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,040 Boards, as you know, board members have 1483 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,520 a responsibility to represent uh 1484 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,480 the interests of the district, whether they're appointed or elected to 1485 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,160 a board. They have a fiduciary 1486 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,960 responsibility to represent the best 1487 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,280 interests of the district. Sometimes 1488 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,720 that's challenging. 1489 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,720 Um we we've seen that before where you 1490 00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:59,520 kind of you're appointed by a city, 1491 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,280 perhaps, and you do have 1492 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,000 responsibilities with respect to that 1493 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,640 city and the citizens that you 1494 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,400 represent, but collectively, when you 1495 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,359 come together, it's representing the 1496 00:57:10,359 --> 00:57:12,880 best interests of all the citizens. 1497 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,560 Um 1498 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,440 Do you have any particular questions or 1499 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,960 concerns with respect to 1500 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,640 uh districts, how they function, 1501 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,000 how they best represent the citizens? 1502 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,520 Any concerns about things you've 1503 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,910 experienced? 1504 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,870 You're happy. Completely happy. 1505 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,680 I said everyone's completely happy. Oh, 1506 00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,760 good. Yes. Well, I think you got a 1507 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,000 question over there. Yes, she has a 1508 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,000 question. 1509 00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,040 Yeah, I think that it's very easy for 1510 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,359 districts to be a punching bag for 1511 00:57:44,359 --> 00:57:46,640 private interests. Yeah. The existential 1512 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,720 threat to special districts 1513 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,600 is something that is not going away 1514 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,240 anytime soon, and that that is a 1515 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,240 concern, not what districts do, but 1516 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,120 rather what people think districts do, 1517 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,160 and that perception. How do we address 1518 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,000 it? Yeah. 1519 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,880 Um that is true. 1520 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:05,950 Um 1521 00:58:05,950 --> 00:58:06,720 >> [clears throat] 1522 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,200 >> Districts can be a punching bag, and 1523 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,880 everything that Lori mentioned earlier 1524 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,680 with respect to private industry and 1525 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,480 their ability to subsidize and do a 1526 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,880 variety of different things, not 1527 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,480 comparing apples with apples, as Heather 1528 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,000 pointed out. 1529 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,760 Uh those are critical. 1530 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,520 You know, 1531 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,040 and the and the items that you mentioned 1532 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,520 with respect to competition, 1533 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:30,880 um 1534 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,000 getting down to one provider in the 1535 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,720 area, that's a that's a critical issue. 1536 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,600 And uh a lot of entities have dealt with 1537 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,520 that over the past number of decades. 1538 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,840 So, 1539 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:43,040 um 1540 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,040 how do you deal with it? I think 1541 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:47,800 this is an important thing that you're 1542 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,200 dealing with here. The items I hear in 1543 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,200 your discussions are pretty important to 1544 00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,440 make sure there's 1545 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,800 um understanding and transparency. 1546 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,640 And um 1547 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,120 trying to do the best you can from a 1548 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,800 positive standpoint. Obviously, we have 1549 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,640 to deal with negatives, 1550 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,200 but um sometimes when you communicate 1551 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,040 with people, I think it's 1552 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,120 it to the degree that it could be cast 1553 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,880 in a positive way rather than negative. 1554 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,160 That's certainly a positive thing. I'm 1555 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:16,520 getting a little bit of micro there, 1556 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,880 perhaps, a little bit, but um 1557 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,000 uh communications are important, and I 1558 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,359 think sometimes involving, if you can 1559 00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:24,920 figure out how in your particular 1560 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,640 situation, you can have some committees 1561 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:30,880 with some some key citizens on the on 1562 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,600 that committee that can take back to the 1563 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,360 district board members to the community. 1564 00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:36,800 Just a different world that was, isn't 1565 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:37,440 it? 1566 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,920 Uh 15, 20 years ago, we didn't have the 1567 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,040 social media and a lot of the things 1568 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:43,960 that we have right now 1569 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,200 where things can be communicated 1570 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,440 effectively and 1571 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,960 false things can be communicated effectively as well, which 1572 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,840 is difficult to deal with. 1573 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,240 But uh in thinking about some 1574 00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,040 considering some resources of uh that 1575 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,400 hopefully you might have access to. I 1576 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,920 think that's an important discussion and 1577 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,840 uh I think uh Heather may have some 1578 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,200 as we kind of think about this over 1579 01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,440 time, may have some ideas come to mind. 1580 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:14,400 Um 1581 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,480 we have access to 1582 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:21,680 some help uh from other states as well. 1583 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,880 5, 6 years ago uh or more, we created 1584 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,960 you we made a Utah with California, 1585 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,080 Oregon, Florida, and Colorado created 1586 01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,200 the the national special district 1587 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,880 coalition. 1588 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,880 It's now a national special district 1589 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,480 association as of a couple of years ago 1590 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,920 and by virtue of districts being members 1591 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,440 of the Utah Association of Special 1592 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,240 Districts, they are automatically a 1593 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,520 member of the NSDA, 1594 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,320 which gives us representation in 1595 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,040 Washington, D.C. Heather will be back 1596 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,640 there in a week or so. 1597 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,840 Uh fly in and uh as well as resources 1598 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,200 from other states where they have 1599 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,800 experienced similar problems. So, we 1600 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,480 cross-pollinate 1601 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,840 as Heather rubs shoulders with our NSDA 1602 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,000 folks 1603 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,680 in D.C. here in a couple of weeks. We 1604 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,480 have meetings a couple of times every 1605 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,960 week on legislative issues as well as 1606 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,720 our executive committee. We can extend a 1607 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,480 hand, say, "Folks, these are some of the 1608 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,560 things we're experiencing. Can you give 1609 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,080 us some feedback on experiences you have 1610 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,880 had on how you effectively communicate 1611 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,400 and overcome some of these problems, 1612 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,400 particularly competition private 1613 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,480 industry?" And we I think we can 1614 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,920 probably come up with some ideas of 1615 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,640 things that that we other states have 1616 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,080 experienced might be helpful, too. 1617 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,240 I Is that That's very helpful. Yeah, 1618 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:35,640 absolutely. 1619 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,040 >> Just to add on to that, um Washington 1620 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,480 County Water Conservancy District has an 1621 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,040 incredible model that they've been 1622 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,400 utilizing for over a decade where once 1623 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,040 every I don't know if it's every month 1624 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,400 or every quarter, but they invite all of 1625 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,800 the lawmakers, whether legislatively or 1626 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,080 cities for the areas in which they 1627 01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,240 serve, to come to the district and have 1628 01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:00,000 a lunch and provide information and 1629 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,160 answer questions and will give tours of 1630 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,640 the facilities whenever it's asked. So, 1631 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:05,720 there's just this constant 1632 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,080 communication, not only between the 1633 01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,080 board members of Washington County Water 1634 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,280 Conservancy District, but also 1635 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,000 their state representative. 1636 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,720 Yeah, along with cuz they'll have a 1637 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,640 board member from each individual city 1638 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,760 like you all have or the county. 1639 01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:24,720 Uh but they'll invite all of the county 1640 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,120 council and all of the mayors and all of 1641 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,720 the city councils for whoever can attend 1642 01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,840 and because they hold them so regularly, 1643 01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,320 eventually most of them do show up. 1644 01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,200 That's just a great way to keep everyone 1645 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,480 kind of in the loop of knowing what 1646 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,720 you're doing. Thank you. I do want to 1647 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,680 share one thought. You you you brought a 1648 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,640 fact that we as board members need to 1649 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,800 look at for the message to the 1650 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,400 districts. I think we've had a debate 1651 01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,560 about that over the last year or so, but 1652 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,800 I think with what the legislature did 1653 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,800 this last session in regards to this 1654 01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:02,760 specific district alone, it changes that dynamic a little more. So, I think 1655 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:03,960 one of the things that we're talking 1656 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,040 about and I I do want to have us address 1657 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,160 today 1658 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,400 is we're talking collectively right now 1659 01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:12,680 about what the good things are, the 1660 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,000 things we agree on, but I think we also 1661 01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,960 have to acknowledge the elephant in the 1662 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,880 room, which is each community has 1663 01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,600 different needs and the fact that under 1664 01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,120 current state law Well, is it my first 1665 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,600 step? No, under this 1666 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,080 Makes sense. So, not yet, but in a week 1667 01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,080 under what the law will be in a week or 1668 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,320 so, 1669 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,280 if my community doesn't feel like our 1670 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,560 needs are being met, then we have the 1671 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,280 ability to leave the district without 1672 01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,040 approval of this board. 1673 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,040 And so, though today we're having this 1674 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,880 retreat and think it's important that we 1675 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,640 all figure out what we like 1676 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,359 collectively, but I think it's true that 1677 01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:53,359 the needs of Immigration Canyon and its 1678 01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:55,400 residents are going to be 1679 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,160 clearly different than the needs or 1680 01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,560 desires of those potentially in Herriman 1681 01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,120 or what those elected officials will be. 1682 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,120 So, at some point, and maybe it's a 1683 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,400 one-on-one with Evan, but at some point 1684 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,960 I would encourage each board member to 1685 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,680 just be blatantly honest and say, "I 1686 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,320 don't feel like 1687 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,840 this is being met for my community." 1688 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,440 Because if we all come together and 1689 01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,400 agree on 90% of that 10% matters the 1690 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,720 most to your community, you may want to 1691 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,720 leave. And so, we need to at least 1692 01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,520 address what those things are or so that 1693 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,720 we don't have people that splinter off 1694 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,720 because what's also to be honest, if 1695 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,800 some of those communities do, it then 1696 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,400 makes it very expensive 1697 01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:37,840 dependent which they're formed and 1698 01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,160 depending on where you are and how many 1699 01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,480 residents in proximity to to the 1700 01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,920 district and and fuel, but that's 1701 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,680 something that again, I don't think we 1702 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,359 should shy away. We should be 100% 1703 01:04:48,359 --> 01:04:50,240 forward and honest so that we can 1704 01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,840 address these things cuz if we don't do 1705 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,400 that today, 1706 01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,120 then we're going to be caught off guard 1707 01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,560 6 months from now. So, that makes sense? 1708 01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,440 Definitely. The dynamic My point is when 1709 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:00,800 you brought that up, the dynamic has 1710 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,720 changed a little bit. 1711 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,000 And there's an interesting tug of war, 1712 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,800 isn't it? Yeah. Uh because you do 1713 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,720 represent your city and they do have 1714 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,880 needs. Yet, we do have a fiduciary 1715 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,600 responsibility of someone who serves on 1716 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,960 the board. So, it the fiduciary 1717 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,560 responsibility doesn't eliminate the 1718 01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,920 fact that the city council is sitting in 1719 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,680 a political subdivision, that they 1720 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,560 function and they have needs, but it 1721 01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:22,880 doesn't eliminate the fact that we're 1722 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,600 fiduciary responsibility of someone 1723 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:25,960 who's appointed to represent another 1724 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,720 political subdivision. So, it's there's 1725 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,760 a tug of war, not a separation of them. 1726 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,760 Yeah. So, it's an interesting dynamic to 1727 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,960 work through. Good point. Good point. I 1728 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:36,880 think um 1729 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,320 it's been 1730 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,960 I've heard it said sometimes we get on 1731 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,720 boards and we just become bobble heads. 1732 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,280 And I know that's happened to me a 1733 01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:46,760 couple of times. 1734 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,000 Um and you pay the price for that. And 1735 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,040 I'm not afraid to hear any of your 1736 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,200 conflicts that you have with your city. 1737 01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:57,440 I think it's really healthy to find out 1738 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,000 what Immigration needs. I'm not offended 1739 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,200 by 1740 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,160 anything. I'm not offended by the fact 1741 01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,359 that now that you guys are just opening 1742 01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:07,080 up this real city, your needs are going 1743 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,480 to be very different. And um if there's 1744 01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,920 any way that we can meet the special 1745 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,760 needs of individual cities, let's try 1746 01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,000 and do that because it keeps the board 1747 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,560 and keeps this organization healthy. 1748 01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,720 >> It probably strengthens our 1749 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:25,280 relationship. 1750 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,600 >> but it um 1751 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,720 I think it weakens what we're if we are 1752 01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,680 bobble heads and then go back to our 1753 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,880 communities and say, "Yeah, I just you 1754 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,640 know, I didn't really get what we needed 1755 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,200 out of there." But we didn't know. We 1756 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,280 need to know. We need to know so that we 1757 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:42,120 can strengthen this organization. 1758 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,080 Great point. Hard to solve a problem if 1759 01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,240 you aren't aware of what the problem is. 1760 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:47,400 Good point. 1761 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,680 Excellent. Thank you. And maybe this is 1762 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:50,400 a 1763 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,440 point of emphasis on what Heather said 1764 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,320 just to again reaffirm what she said, 1765 01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,800 again the importance of communicating 1766 01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,560 with your legislators 1767 01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,240 and other representatives having them 1768 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,680 involved. Just Yeah, that can't be 1769 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,270 overstated. 1770 01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:07,800 Anything else you'd like me to discuss? 1771 01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,520 I think we're good. Great. 1772 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,440 Yeah. Thank you so much. We greatly 1773 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,280 appreciate appreciate you coming and 1774 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:14,960 taking the time. 1775 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,240 Um 1776 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,640 Uh the next item on the agenda is we're 1777 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,880 actually going to um 1778 01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,520 divide into some breakout groups. 1779 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:23,240 Um 1780 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,560 so, so just here where Evan and Helen 1781 01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,359 are going to be running a breakout group 1782 01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:29,560 on ongoing cost savings and rate 1783 01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,840 retention initiatives, um 1784 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,600 we all can't go to that group. 1785 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:35,560 Um 1786 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,000 but um on the line of service financial 1787 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,800 assessment by geographic area, which 1788 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:41,880 will be important. Um 1789 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,240 Renee is running breakout group two, um 1790 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,800 which I think is actually exactly kind 1791 01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:47,920 of what we've been talking about today 1792 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,200 with customer relations, satisfaction, 1793 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:52,080 and partnership building. And then 1794 01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,000 breakout group three, actually Evan and 1795 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,200 Helen, where are you guys going to be? 1796 01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,160 Uh group one can stay in this area with 1797 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,200 cuz there's another two other areas 1798 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,120 within. Okay, so group one is going to 1799 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:04,800 stay here and then Renee, where are you 1800 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,000 going to go? Let's go by the restrooms 1801 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,200 over there. There's a nice little cubby 1802 01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,960 hole. Okay, so there's an area over 1803 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,640 there for breakout group three. And then 1804 01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,480 uh David and Hazel 1805 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,400 uh or is that group two? Sorry. And then 1806 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,200 David and Hazel uh group three are going 1807 01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,040 to talk about service models. And this 1808 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,680 is actually what we were just talking 1809 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,560 about, is geographic service area needs. 1810 01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,520 So, if you feel like uh the needs of 1811 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,280 your community um or maybe aren't being 1812 01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,200 met, you have some unique service needs, 1813 01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,759 um that's what what David uh Helen are 1814 01:08:36,759 --> 01:08:37,920 going to or excuse me, Hazel are going 1815 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,799 to talk about. And you are going to be 1816 01:08:39,799 --> 01:08:41,719 where? Around this table right over 1817 01:08:41,719 --> 01:08:42,520 there. 1818 01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,400 All right. So, let's break out break 1819 01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:46,600 out. How about we 1820 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,759 break out? 1821 01:08:48,759 --> 01:08:54,070 And get going. 1822 01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,670 Emily, come 1823 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:58,200 I mean, this is a great problem. 1824 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:05,190 Two was Well, I wanted to go to 1825 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,040 Who was in two? We tried to 1826 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,960 You wanted to go to six. I wanted to go 1827 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:16,349 to 1828 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,349 And now Emily 1829 01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,040 I'd like to hear everybody's thoughts. 1830 01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,520 So, we're going to come back as a group 1831 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,799 and kind of have each of you summarize 1832 01:09:25,799 --> 01:09:28,880 what we went and talked about. So, yeah. 1833 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,880 We There's just so so much we're trying 1834 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,200 to cover today that that's kind of the 1835 01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,040 way that we felt like we could cover all 1836 01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:37,319 of that. So, I understand No, I'm in the 1837 01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:38,880 same boat. So, there's a lot that I want 1838 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,240 to want to hear. So, we just kind of 1839 01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,799 have to paraphrase just a little bit. 1840 01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:45,200 I'm sorry. But, pick your top one you 1841 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:46,880 want to pick the top one and maybe have 1842 01:09:46,880 --> 01:11:13,510 a second in mind. Yeah. 1843 01:11:13,520 --> 01:12:18,270 No. 1844 01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:19,480 And see if you can 1845 01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:22,430 This is why 1846 01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:24,400 it's because 1847 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,760 it does 1848 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,200 it show up. You know, I can tell you 1849 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:28,880 that 1850 01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,040 and then they kind of have their own 1851 01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,910 opinions. 1852 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,800 Which is why I 1853 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,520 They're all the way to the verbal right 1854 01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:54,990 now. 1855 01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,590 I'll be in charge. 1856 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,680 Good afternoon, everyone. 1857 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:29,910 one person that stays at home. 1858 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:32,840 That's possible. 1859 01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:45,430 Well, our exchange in the constancy 1860 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:47,680 That's why I love I love that stuff. 1861 01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:52,950 That's 1862 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,000 Yeah. It's been 1863 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,760 We're on the same page. 1864 01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:10,750 They're better than we have. 1865 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:15,390 Yeah. Well, 1866 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,000 I'll see if I can pull it up on my 1867 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:22,510 friends on 1868 01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:29,710 $119. 1869 01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,320 It's $39. 1870 01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,830 It's $40, $45. 1871 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:40,160 And the great thing is is they asked for 1872 01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:42,560 They There's a tip line. 1873 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:49,870 That's what they do not have. 1874 01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,110 I don't know what you're saying. 1875 01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:59,990 So, 1876 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:01,560 Usually, 1877 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:02,360 I 1878 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:06,830 usually when I'm mad, 1879 01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,840 I don't do zeros cuz I'm not a careful 1880 01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,160 person, but I'll do them like 1881 01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,440 But, then, you know, standard is like 20 1882 01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,400 and it goes up and it's like 1883 01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:20,110 I'm like, "Seriously?" 1884 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,360 What I paid you a fee to get your 1885 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:25,080 fridge. Why water is a tip? I can see if 1886 01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,360 you're like there for 4 hours. Like, 1887 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:43,190 "Yeah, you're doing 1888 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,920 Open fridge. I grab a water bottle. Go, 1889 01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:48,720 "Hey, I went and bought myself." And 1890 01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:49,920 then there's a tip. 1891 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,480 I said, "For what?" 1892 01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:54,480 But, it was 1893 01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:56,040 interesting the money he got. I said, 1894 01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:56,800 "Hey." 1895 01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,160 He said, "Hey, let's walk around your 1896 01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:05,510 house." 1897 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,880 Stop. I mean, I don't know. This is just 1898 01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:12,150 a bunch of it. 1899 01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:13,760 That person sitting there for quite a 1900 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:18,230 while. 1901 01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:22,910 Yeah. 1902 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:24,080 so we are supposed to be talking 1903 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,360 about some of the items here, which 1904 01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,600 Yeah, I think most folks are generally 1905 01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,280 aware of. 1906 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,258 You know, the PGIs 1907 01:16:32,258 --> 01:16:32,320 >> [snorts] 1908 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,360 >> and 1909 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:34,120 uh 1910 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,360 Telmire kind of falling behind a little 1911 01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,400 bit on issues now for the the RC 1912 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,080 The issue for that the line of service 1913 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,960 financial assessment that we are still 1914 01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,120 planning and actively uh looking to 1915 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,840 solicit for that. So, this kind of what 1916 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,120 is this talk about? 1917 01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:53,480 Yeah, there's actually still an audio we 1918 01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:57,870 can make means. 1919 01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:03,870 Okay, so this video which is fine. So, 1920 01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:05,880 Well, I I think most folks are aware 1921 01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,200 that we have already identified um what 1922 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,320 we saved from the department last year 1923 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:12,240 and some of those ongoing monies that 1924 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,440 are continuing as savings under the RC 1925 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,240 line. 1926 01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:18,720 But, also to make sure we continued like 1927 01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,240 we initiated new 1928 01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:22,600 opportunities and that will be saved 1929 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:28,480 as well. So, this year we do have the PGIs that we had in 2019 1930 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:30,920 very much available, but I know it's 1931 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,360 larger with But, this year it will be coming for 70. 1932 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,760 I'll update you with some more detail 1933 01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,560 We have actually we're moving forward 1934 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,200 with the post start as opposed to the 1935 01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,880 advanced on size. Awesome. And that 1936 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,880 amount is actually going 1937 01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:48,920 for this year implemented. We'll say 1938 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,320 this is about 112,000. 1939 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,760 And then next year is close to 200,000 1940 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,600 to save us. That's one of the rare the highlights which they are the newer 1941 01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,430 items. 1942 01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:05,870 I know, right? 1943 01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,880 So great. So great. So awesome. 1944 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,280 And so 1945 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:13,240 We do like sometimes competition on the 1946 01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:18,270 start. 1947 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:46,430 for for the paperless 1948 01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:48,080 So, you So, you can keep your bill in 1949 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,070 town the app. 1950 01:18:51,080 --> 01:19:10,670 Is that right? Well, 1951 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,600 I've been on the payment app. We're 1952 01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,360 transitioning to a new 1953 01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:15,800 payment platform for our street bill 1954 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,400 day. The one day you had a email that 1955 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:19,840 went even 1956 01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:21,680 expecting to go out that hopefully it's 1957 01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,750 been corrected, but only in May. 1958 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,320 So, I like that idea from a strategy and 1959 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:30,200 So 1960 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,320 something you can sign up for 1961 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,200 paperless billing and they're like able 1962 01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,360 to check the balances if we contract 1963 01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:37,280 them. 1964 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:38,720 So, we don't have to actually pay 1965 01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:40,720 anything full. 1966 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,200 Right and send bills. It's under town 1967 01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:44,840 protection. So, okay. 1968 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,640 And Okay. So, it's I mean it's still you 1969 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:49,560 know we're saving 200k for the city or 1970 01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,000 400k. So, it's substantial. And you 1971 01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,240 could do sign up for and win a chance to 1972 01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,320 have a free month. Mhm. 1973 01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:58,240 Yeah. 1974 01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:32,830 And there's also social media. 1975 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:34,640 It's a great way to let me know the 1976 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:47,430 people in the area like 1977 01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:48,840 There's really good ways to go 1978 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,280 paperless. Mhm. I mean I would use if I 1979 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,520 got this amount and said help us keep 1980 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,760 rates low by getting 1981 01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,480 $300,000 from the budget by going 1982 01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:58,840 paperless. 1983 01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,160 That's cute. 1984 01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,150 I think they will too. 1985 01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,400 Well, part of it is being missed by I 1986 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:07,720 don't know if I did that on purpose but 1987 01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:09,360 I did that on purpose. I would like to 1988 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,080 know that. 1989 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:20,030 Or I want to see what you're sending and 1990 01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,120 I would like to Do you want to 1991 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,880 experience what others experience? 1992 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,600 Like for me, I actually did online 1993 01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:26,720 because 1994 01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,400 people are constantly there's that 1995 01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:31,160 online benefit. Not that. I didn't hear 1996 01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:32,320 that. 1997 01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,440 Yeah, I'm not going I didn't hear that. 1998 01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,640 Yeah, I can send all my social media 1999 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,640 Hey, so post card that's awesome. What 2000 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,200 else? 2001 01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:43,360 Well, there's quite a bit in there 2002 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,560 largely in those areas which we'll 2003 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,800 review and 2004 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,600 board meeting as well. But so we're 2005 01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,520 trying to get feedback from from this 2006 01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:54,480 group or different board members as to 2007 01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:58,240 what items should we focus on to 2008 01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,520 maximize cost savings to the first time 2009 01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:01,960 of our scale 2010 01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,880 but also talking about 2011 01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,400 the service financial assessment 2012 01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,320 what's specific 2013 01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,960 scope we want to be in. 2014 01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,320 And right now 2015 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,440 the scope of that 2016 01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:17,360 identification of what it would cost if 2017 01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,160 possibly 2018 01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:20,760 what the rate structure would be from a 2019 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:25,270 different tier of service companies. 2020 01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,720 or something. For example So, there's 2021 01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:28,360 other things that we're planning 2022 01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,840 including skills we want to have in our 2023 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,360 department feedback from the group to 2024 01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,880 understand what might be more important 2025 01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,440 or additional things that we should look 2026 01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:37,560 at 2027 01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:39,160 to keep costs low 2028 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,840 tailor our performance but also as to 2029 01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:43,480 the scope of the 2030 01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:44,880 financial service financial assessment. 2031 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,440 I mean it's quite a number. 2032 01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:48,120 So, I'm trying to think of a quick way 2033 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,080 to pitch that city by city. 2034 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,440 Is that like one city one at a time? 2035 01:22:54,440 --> 01:22:56,960 For and then also I'm curious 2036 01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:00,990 would there be a huge cost 2037 01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,400 if you wanted to like if a city wanted 2038 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:03,640 to come back 2039 01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:08,790 change their work workforce or 2040 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,920 number of persons Cuz I am curious like 2041 01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:12,840 if a community said we really want to go 2042 01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:14,280 back 2043 01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,400 is it just too expensive that I'm 2044 01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:17,760 hearing? 2045 01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:19,280 But 2046 01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:20,640 Do you have any questions on that? No, 2047 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:21,800 yeah great great questions. Those are 2048 01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,160 definitely things to consider. I think 2049 01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,360 it would be on a city by city basis. 2050 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:26,280 They would be able to choose an option 2051 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,080 to choose and go through their council 2052 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:31,760 that either or their residents. 2053 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,280 Um this is what they will be. Okay. 2054 01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:35,800 One of the big things I don't like about 2055 01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,000 this 2056 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,040 is that you get buying and selling 2057 01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,840 They're changing what they want there 2058 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:43,800 and you know 2059 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:45,320 they may not 2060 01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,360 win the argument against everybody else 2061 01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:48,960 that they may be following 2062 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:50,960 cities but at least they feel like they 2063 01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:57,310 have that. I do have to say 2064 01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,200 I'm going to throw something out there. 2065 01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,680 We have not competed in polls. 2066 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,560 I think it's time to 2067 01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:06,750 because I mean you can do that. 2068 01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,560 So, we've got islands now south of us. I mean what Well, no there's a 2069 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,080 discussion on this. It's actually the 2070 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:16,230 next item on our list. 2071 01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:18,360 Oh, it's it's not it's a definitely 2072 01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,440 discussion that we want to take to the 2073 01:24:20,440 --> 01:24:22,400 next special We have an inappropriate 2074 01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,520 place for that and I can give you 2075 01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,680 The legislature is creating that. 2076 01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,480 For us to service that island now it's 2077 01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:31,840 in the agreement. 2078 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:32,920 We're going to have to figure out where 2079 01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,880 the minutes are going to be in the area. 2080 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:36,800 Wasn't it an appropriate solid kind of 2081 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:38,080 stuff that's going to 2082 01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,000 Like you follow. 2083 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:41,880 We all have the arguments to scale and 2084 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,950 time. 2085 01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:45,840 So 2086 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,640 we'll pick up businesses all the way 2087 01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,560 along the way so they're no longer in 2088 01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,750 our limits. 2089 01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,040 What item are you talking about? The 2090 01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:56,400 inappropriate Salt Lake County meeting 2091 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,040 that Salt Lake City is taking. I can't 2092 01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,400 do stuff Salt Lake City. 2093 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,200 I think 2094 01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,080 District's still not forcing us to 2095 01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,120 annex. 2096 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:06,520 Because They're not an island. They're 2097 01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:08,680 not They're not an island. 2098 01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,440 They're district's boundaries that not 2099 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:12,440 the 2100 01:25:12,440 --> 01:25:13,960 Yes, they're not an island so they're 2101 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,680 not they're not forcing the program. 2102 01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,440 So, we have a lot of peninsulas that 2103 01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:20,560 would be a peninsula. Cuz the entire 2104 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,560 surrounding area of inappropriate Salt 2105 01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,000 Lake County all the canyons are still 2106 01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,800 unappropriated. We still have the 2107 01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:28,840 largest portion of the Salt Lake County 2108 01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,080 area 2109 01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,640 the land that is unappropriated. 2110 01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,120 It just so happens that the bowl 2111 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,560 bottom of the bowl is now all cities. 2112 01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:38,880 So, people don't understand that the 2113 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,440 greatest part of the public 2114 01:25:40,440 --> 01:25:44,110 in Salt Lake is still unappropriated. 2115 01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,200 Most land is still unappropriated. It 2116 01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,720 just doesn't have to 2117 01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,280 Well, I have 1,200 of those sitting 2118 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,000 right there. 2119 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,200 I mean you got the whole west side of 2120 01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:55,280 the area. 2121 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:59,030 But the whole east side doesn't. 2122 01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,600 So, don't you think that's good, right? 2123 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,400 We still have a lot of unappropriated 2124 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,120 roads, land that we have to service. 2125 01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:07,800 Cuz we're a county. 2126 01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:09,560 We just service people living in those 2127 01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:10,840 settings. 2128 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,800 And that's the part that people don't 2129 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,960 grasp. The greatest part of of land in 2130 01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:15,960 Salt Lake County is still 2131 01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:18,040 unappropriated. 2132 01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:19,960 Is it the top of the mountain? 2133 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,480 Top of the Well, I 2134 01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:23,920 Great Salt Lake. 2135 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,080 I mean sir, looking at that land there's 2136 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,720 a lot still there. 2137 01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,440 We just can't get into the 2138 01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:32,840 canyons. 2139 01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,520 So, and I'm building out. 2140 01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,400 So, we may be talking about 2141 01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,080 bowl where it's buildable. 2142 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,240 Right. 2143 01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,960 And that's city to city wall to wall. 2144 01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:45,320 But 2145 01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:46,840 we still have responsibility outside of 2146 01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,230 that. 2147 01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:50,800 So, you're saying 2148 01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,840 why not get commercial in those areas? 2149 01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,800 So, when we're going out to these 2150 01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,560 mountain communities 2151 01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:57,960 service area 2152 01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,440 Let's get Let's Let's make it 2153 01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:01,680 profitable. Going out there. 2154 01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,120 Let's go get those businesses on the 2155 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,000 way. Let's find a way to hit the ones 2156 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,720 that will be profitable, of course. 2157 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,240 There's some ancient ways along the way 2158 01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:11,200 that are private. Let's go get those. 2159 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,240 Let's see if we can bring them in. Find 2160 01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:15,160 more of them. That's how we make it 2161 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,280 profitable. 2162 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,040 Do we have any rules or regs or bylaws I 2163 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,520 mean anything We can check about 2164 01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:26,310 We can. Yeah. Basically 2165 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,240 going after I mean 2166 01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:30,400 I'm sure there's some rules that you 2167 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,400 would need to go to Lehi and start I 2168 01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,160 mean there's probably some parameters 2169 01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:35,960 that you live in, right? But what are 2170 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,360 your What are the rules today? Could you 2171 01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,000 go pick up a bunch of stuff that's not 2172 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,840 even in our district? 2173 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:48,390 Yes, theoretically yes. So 2174 01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:53,510 in business. 2175 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,760 But they're business. Absolutely. They 2176 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,320 can That's not in it. So, the the 2177 01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,600 resolutions are in the the next upcoming 2178 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,680 agenda item. 2179 01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,240 It's looking at how 2180 01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:07,719 increasing our service ability beyond 2181 01:28:07,719 --> 01:28:09,280 what we're restricted to and stuff to 2182 01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,040 our own clients. 2183 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,840 But there's kind of a 2184 01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,200 for cities or if a business requests 2185 01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,960 service that service may be provided. 2186 01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,280 That doesn't even include us from 2187 01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:22,080 operating outside of our defined service 2188 01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:22,680 area. 2189 01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,880 >> We can actually contract 2190 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,280 if we wanted to. If it's cost effective 2191 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,440 and it makes sense. 2192 01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:31,000 Where we have to drive out in the 2193 01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:31,880 mountains. 2194 01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,719 Let's go pick up businesses along those 2195 01:28:33,719 --> 01:28:35,840 routes. Make it cost effective to go out 2196 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,719 there. Those are some of the things we 2197 01:28:37,719 --> 01:28:39,640 need to start looking at to make it cost 2198 01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,830 effective to Let me ask you this. 2199 01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,480 We obviously 2200 01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:47,280 the the residents of these communities 2201 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:48,960 may like that idea because it's more 2202 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,840 revenue 2203 01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:52,240 to the district which would help keep 2204 01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:53,600 costs low. 2205 01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,080 But 2206 01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,400 is it more of a philosophical question? 2207 01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,520 Are all these residents also subsidizing 2208 01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,600 an organization that's now really 2209 01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,640 competing with the private sector? 2210 01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,800 I'm not saying it's everywhere. I'm just 2211 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,880 saying that it's cost effective to go to 2212 01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,680 our services now. 2213 01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,680 If there's I think 2214 01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,480 You know for I I think that was a 2215 01:29:15,480 --> 01:29:17,080 statement 2216 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,750 that um 2217 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,080 There is no statement that final haulers 2218 01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,640 would not go after cities and public. 2219 01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,200 It was just an understood. You get 2220 01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:30,360 Right. 2221 01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:31,880 And that's when they started breaking 2222 01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,560 out saying, "Well, there's nothing in 2223 01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,240 writing." 2224 01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,600 And I think now that they've decided 2225 01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,360 they were going to go after the city, 2226 01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,800 which again 2227 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,200 if they were competitive and they could 2228 01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:44,960 do all these things and we know that 2229 01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:49,120 their prices were different, yada yada, okay and all that, 2230 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,080 but that's not the truth. 2231 01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:52,600 So, if they're going to go after cities, 2232 01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:53,960 I think we were 2233 01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,920 in order to stay competitive. They're 2234 01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,040 all right. Because some of those routes 2235 01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,160 aren't right. I just I I would just 2236 01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:01,440 definitely be careful. 2237 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:03,320 >> To be really Because I already know 2238 01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:05,920 because I my mind is 2239 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,440 built being politically savvy is very 2240 01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:11,310 wise. 2241 01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:14,440 If I am representing those haulers, 2242 01:30:14,440 --> 01:30:17,480 I'm going back saying, "What the hell 2243 01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:19,960 Rock Region would order? 2244 01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,800 You guys made some changes. Again, there 2245 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,600 are bad factors of going out there and 2246 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:28,560 just government's completely competing 2247 01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,560 completely outside of their districts 2248 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,400 with the private sector. You guys need 2249 01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,800 to put them back in their box." 2250 01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,480 >> At least put a parameter on it. This is 2251 01:30:35,480 --> 01:30:37,480 why I put the parameter on it. 2252 01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:41,040 You just forced us out, legislature and 2253 01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,880 everybody else. We now have to find ways 2254 01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,920 to make this cost effective and still 2255 01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,200 within Highlands that we would have 2256 01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,960 never done with except you took us out 2257 01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,520 of our normal parameters. We've never 2258 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,080 allowed them out and given us an island, 2259 01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,040 which is now not cost effective for us 2260 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:57,560 to serve. 2261 01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,800 We're going to put parameters says for 2262 01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:01,440 in order for us to make this cost 2263 01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:03,520 effective, we're going to pick up 2264 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,960 business along the route to make it cost 2265 01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:09,470 effective. 2266 01:31:09,480 --> 01:31:13,310 You get You get the sentiment though. 2267 01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:16,840 But I've had a massive initial rate 2268 01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:18,640 legally 2269 01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,400 Yes, if they contract legally through 2270 01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,160 but that appearance of competing with 2271 01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:24,840 the private sector 2272 01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,880 is problematic and I understand the 2273 01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:28,600 hypocrisy because the private sector is 2274 01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,120 absolutely no help to the district. So, 2275 01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:34,080 I see that, but I also But we're going 2276 01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:36,040 to have that argument all the time. That 2277 01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,720 is an argument that long 2278 01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,520 getting behind. Well, I would say this I 2279 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,600 would say this. 2280 01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,840 I would say, if it were me, I would 2281 01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,840 absolutely go after everything you 2282 01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:49,720 possibly can 2283 01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,760 in the district in those areas. I'm not 2284 01:31:51,760 --> 01:32:02,070 prepared to say and there's plenty to go after. 2285 01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:03,840 Oh, yeah, you can totally explain that 2286 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,840 those cities for sure. But then you 2287 01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,840 could also in conference go after every 2288 01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:09,480 single business in the conference or 2289 01:32:09,480 --> 01:32:10,760 anything. 2290 01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,360 And I think that is the safest path to 2291 01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,560 start kind of to see how it goes to be 2292 01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,080 compensable. But we are staying 2293 01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:21,000 completely within our boundaries. 2294 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:22,360 I think you just start there and see how 2295 01:32:22,360 --> 01:32:26,150 it takes people to get in line. 2296 01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:27,880 Well, it's not even necessarily No, I 2297 01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:28,840 said 2298 01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,280 It's not definitely the only thing. 2299 01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,040 Really, it was just we mailed for one of 2300 01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:37,710 the services that they contracted us. 2301 01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:39,120 And the other thing that we're seeing is 2302 01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,760 that when things are redeveloped, so if 2303 01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,160 you just look around locally as well, 2304 01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:45,000 there's multi-family 2305 01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,560 developments well above and beyond what 2306 01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:48,840 it was 2307 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,520 that we buy our county resolutions 2308 01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,040 cannot service us. 2309 01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:56,120 Unless we're explicitly requested to do 2310 01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:00,110 Yeah, I consider in our purview or 2311 01:33:00,120 --> 01:33:05,470 these services that we do. 2312 01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:07,640 And the changing part of the economy is 2313 01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,680 that 2314 01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,600 city that we have this asset to do and I 2315 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:13,800 think it's definitely different than 2316 01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,520 what Yeah, but 2317 01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:18,400 And does that just increase our prices? 2318 01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:20,520 No, I mean it's not cost effective. 2319 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:21,880 Right. So, that's the big part of this 2320 01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:23,520 line of service that I mentioned that 2321 01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:24,920 affects them. 2322 01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:27,480 Right? So, another part of this upcoming 2323 01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:30,080 board agenda that is a map of service 2324 01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,520 area that shows all the areas where 2325 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:32,600 we're collecting with our front load 2326 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:33,414 trucks. 2327 01:33:33,414 --> 01:33:34,240 >> [snorts] 2328 01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,320 >> As you'll see, we are all over all over 2329 01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:42,550 the entire 2330 01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:43,480 multiple ways of leaving these 2331 01:33:43,480 --> 01:33:45,200 parameters. 2332 01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,600 So, our economies of scale efficiency 2333 01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:48,800 cities 2334 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:49,960 extremely better. We started largely 2335 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,200 because of our contribution to the 2336 01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:52,520 county. 2337 01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:54,440 But we picked up other services along 2338 01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:55,840 the way. So, it's not nothing we're 2339 01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,070 going to stop doing 2340 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,710 But we do have three of those routes 2341 01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:05,280 Yeah, and our efficiency is kind of 2342 01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:13,750 scale around this. 2343 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,560 But smaller businesses can be the side 2344 01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:17,320 loads. So, a lot of these HOAs that 2345 01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,680 we've actually had to give up services 2346 01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,840 are still using King 2347 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:23,080 which to me is kind of crazy because 2348 01:34:23,080 --> 01:34:24,960 we're flying all these That's household 2349 01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,080 and aerial commercial can still have our 2350 01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:28,520 community. 2351 01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,160 I said that having many zoning 2352 01:34:30,160 --> 01:34:31,560 requirements to build an employer and 2353 01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,710 have a front end 2354 01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:36,080 We've actually given up on over a 2355 01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,480 thousand accounts. 2356 01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:41,800 Because of these HOA and the private 2357 01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:45,560 type provisions and past policy and it's 2358 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,480 changed over time. And that's that's 2359 01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:49,360 part of our other discussions as well. 2360 01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,680 So, and if they asked to change it or it 2361 01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,880 was just solely because of our liability 2362 01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,710 we can't 2363 01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,800 But this I'm not sure I don't have the 2364 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,230 full 2365 01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:04,840 Cuz I never got to discuss things with 2366 01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,040 Highlands. 2367 01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:08,160 Now, I'm having the small personal man 2368 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:10,920 small lots into liability. 2369 01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,120 The idea was 2370 01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,640 HOAs can have smaller routes. 2371 01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:16,960 I'm thinking about it. I'm talking about 2372 01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:18,640 the street and stuff like that. The 2373 01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,280 liability is an issue. Well, our trucks 2374 01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:22,520 are bigger and 2375 01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:24,520 so, they can have 2376 01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:26,280 There's chances of not getting a truck 2377 01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:28,840 routes that can be easily accessed. 2378 01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,800 So, are your options on how to do it how 2379 01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,000 to service that route, but you can pick 2380 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,440 up more. And there are those that we got 2381 01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,280 to contract with private industry. And 2382 01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,240 so, 2383 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:45,430 Well, I'm going to type in the city's 2384 01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:49,150 And so, that's what we're going to do. 2385 01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:54,430 cities 2386 01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:56,840 What if we were to ask them? 2387 01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,600 It was like the same issue that they 2388 01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:00,160 discussed with us. 2389 01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:09,590 I can find a way 2390 01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:10,720 The only thing I'm bringing to the table 2391 01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:11,960 has been 2392 01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:13,360 the official 2393 01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:21,600 first story that I heard. So, yeah, I know. 2394 01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:25,790 That's all. 2395 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:43,950 Nothing. 2396 01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,640 Yeah, yes. You got to get going. 2397 01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:47,951 Thanks, bro. 2398 01:36:47,951 --> 01:36:56,030 >> [laughter] 2399 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:57,960 » Right? 2400 01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,160 What do you think of the development 2401 01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:04,270 Yeah. 2402 01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:05,636 Right, you. 2403 01:37:05,636 --> 01:37:05,760 >> [clears throat] 2404 01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:06,800 >> I look at this as a board of 2405 01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,550 adjustments. 2406 01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,590 I don't think that. 2407 01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,870 All right, go go go go. The point was 2408 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,440 I don't have a function to summarize in 2409 01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:30,110 this room. 2410 01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:32,280 If so, Matt is the what? 2411 01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,400 Group two, do you guys have somebody to 2412 01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,000 summarize for you? Yes, Emily and 2413 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:45,910 Heather and Okay, great. 2414 01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,240 I think we're back in February. 2415 01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:50,480 Yes. 2416 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:59,070 Sir, yeah, that was nice. 2417 01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,240 And he did ask about the amount going on 2418 01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:13,190 in the city. 2419 01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:14,600 I know, I would like to All right, you 2420 01:38:14,600 --> 01:38:16,480 guys 2421 01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:18,440 I would like to Yeah, but get started 2422 01:38:18,440 --> 01:38:35,990 and 2423 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:37,280 All right. 2424 01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:38,648 So, uh 2425 01:38:38,648 --> 01:38:39,640 >> [clears throat] 2426 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,640 >> I I say at least for uh 2427 01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:43,960 group two, uh 2428 01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:45,560 group two, we were in and that was a 2429 01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,040 fantastic discussion. Um as I thought it 2430 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:50,680 every every group had great discussion. 2431 01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:51,960 So, we're just going to kind of 2432 01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:53,920 summarize. Uh let's start with group 2433 01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,719 one. Matt uh is spokesperson for group 2434 01:38:56,719 --> 01:38:57,880 one. 2435 01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,120 I was and having some fun. 2436 01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,400 So, quick summary, um 2437 01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:05,800 I was most interested in this, not 2438 01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:07,640 surprisingly to you all, about just cost 2439 01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,520 saving measures that we we're going to 2440 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:11,160 be implementing. 2441 01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:14,160 Very excited about moving over to a 2442 01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,760 postcard that each resident is going to 2443 01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,160 get. 2444 01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:19,800 In this packet here, the B guide, which 2445 01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:21,080 I'm sure at some point in our next 2446 01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,920 meeting we'll have a full overview on on 2447 01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,240 all of these, but what was really neat, 2448 01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:27,520 something that I think again is telling 2449 01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:29,080 our story that we can go back to our 2450 01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:30,400 communities. 2451 01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,840 So, it costs $600,000 2452 01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:36,040 annually to send bills and actual mail 2453 01:39:36,040 --> 01:39:38,040 piece to each home, but moving to the 2454 01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:42,800 card in 2026 we will save $112,000. 2455 01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:46,240 In 2027 we will save $200,000 to the 2456 01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:48,680 district simply by switching to a 2457 01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:51,400 different method of what we're mailing. 2458 01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:52,480 Um 2459 01:39:52,480 --> 01:39:55,160 we then talked about some of the bylaws 2460 01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:56,360 and other things that we're going to 2461 01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,200 need to address as as a board on 2462 01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:02,720 allowing us to go out for some 2463 01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:03,920 uh 2464 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:05,600 different, I guess, multi-family or 2465 01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,200 businesses or other options to try to 2466 01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:09,680 get more people in the district to gain 2467 01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:11,480 economies of scale. 2468 01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:12,880 Um trying to get some other people to 2469 01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,480 participate to keep the costs down, 2470 01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:17,440 which I think is a goal of everyone in 2471 01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:18,960 this room. 2472 01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,120 Um 2473 01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,400 and that was kind of the theme and 2474 01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:24,000 approach to our group. Anything else 2475 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:25,760 that I missed? 2476 01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,280 Co-attendees? 2477 01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:30,800 Great. Maybe doing some contests to get 2478 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,440 people to sign up for paperless. 2479 01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:37,520 Oh, I like that. Cuz 400, I mean, 2480 01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,160 $400,000 if we could figure out how to 2481 01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,160 try to transition that is a substantial 2482 01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,400 amount of money annually to try to get 2483 01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,320 more people to to go paperless would 2484 01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,120 save us a ton of money. 2485 01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:50,360 So. That's a good one. 2486 01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:51,720 Um 2487 01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:55,040 All right. Uh breakout group two. 2488 01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:57,120 Both? Yeah, happy to share. Uh we talked 2489 01:40:57,120 --> 01:40:59,040 about communication 2490 01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,400 and kind of talked about, you know, this 2491 01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,000 idea of these two groups, right? One 2492 01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,280 making sure that we're communicating 2493 01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:06,200 with our council, but also with 2494 01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:07,840 residents in the district. And a lot of 2495 01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:10,640 times those connect as well. So, we 2496 01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,640 revisited this idea of how do we um 2497 01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,800 educate and kind of get our councils as 2498 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,560 part of the buying here and and maybe 2499 01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:21,280 some ride-alongs or something could be 2500 01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,080 something fun to do that that don't take 2501 01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:27,240 too many resources away. Um we we talked 2502 01:41:27,240 --> 01:41:29,040 specifically 2503 01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:33,120 um about how to reach uh residents. Um 2504 01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:35,120 the concern was brought up about the new 2505 01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:39,120 case system and how uh residents do have 2506 01:41:39,120 --> 01:41:42,040 to come back and reset up their 2507 01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:45,400 automatic banking. Um and so, making 2508 01:41:45,400 --> 01:41:47,440 sure that that communication, one, there 2509 01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:48,880 will be a grace period that they've 2510 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,600 already worked through and they'll need 2511 01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:51,880 they know that there's there'll be some 2512 01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:53,440 growing pains with that, but making sure 2513 01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:55,920 that the communication is that this was 2514 01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:57,600 federally we had to make sure. We 2515 01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,320 couldn't just automatically transferred 2516 01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,720 over and we're transferring because of 2517 01:42:01,720 --> 01:42:03,440 we're saving you money, but this will 2518 01:42:03,440 --> 01:42:05,800 ultimately be benefits our customers. 2519 01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,160 So, we appreciated that. 2520 01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:10,800 I think the major ask that one of us 2521 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,120 from Renee that we talked about was that 2522 01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:16,000 everyone here makes sure that they are 2523 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,200 connected with your current PIO or 2524 01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,360 whoever is sharing that information that 2525 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:23,080 there's turnover in staff and so 2526 01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,800 sometimes that communication gets stuck 2527 01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,280 that way. So, I think if unless you know 2528 01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,160 that that is currently happening, make 2529 01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:32,720 sure that you connect them specifically. 2530 01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:34,160 Even if you think maybe it's happening, 2531 01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,160 maybe an introduction now this morning 2532 01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:37,560 would be good. So. 2533 01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:40,120 Um we talked a lot about the video 2534 01:42:40,120 --> 01:42:42,880 ideas, some social media pieces. It 2535 01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,440 sounds like they uh is it James that you 2536 01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:47,480 said who does sustainability, but is 2537 01:42:47,480 --> 01:42:50,080 kind of expanding this idea of how do we 2538 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:51,880 communicate more what our services are. 2539 01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:53,880 And so, they're brainstorming that. And 2540 01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,040 then we looked briefly at the 2025 2541 01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:00,920 uh satisfaction survey. 2542 01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,360 Um and that 2543 01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:04,960 um 2544 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:06,440 I think I think that you said that will 2545 01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:08,160 be in the packet moving forward. So, 2546 01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:10,000 those of us that are newer to the board, 2547 01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:11,520 that might be something to look through, 2548 01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,920 but overall it sounds like it was very 2549 01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,160 positive and that has been used really 2550 01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:17,720 to make some of these changes moving 2551 01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,320 forward, but it was kind of nice to see 2552 01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,160 that communication tool. 2553 01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:24,040 Did I miss anything? No, I think I think 2554 01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:25,280 that you got it. I think it was it was 2555 01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,600 very helpful. Um I I would 2556 01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,560 add Renee had a lot of good ideas about 2557 01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:31,200 engaging 2558 01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,520 our entire councils so that we're not 2559 01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,520 the only ambassadors. 2560 01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:36,160 Um 2561 01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:37,520 that all we can get all of our councils 2562 01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:38,960 on on board, which I 2563 01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,080 was really excited about. All right. Um 2564 01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:46,510 Breakout group three with uh 2565 01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:49,440 So, ours was focusing on evaluating 2566 01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:51,440 current service models across geographic 2567 01:43:51,440 --> 01:43:52,840 service areas including the needs, 2568 01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:55,400 expectations, and operational realities 2569 01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:57,640 that shape service delivery. 2570 01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:59,880 So, we did talk about the different 2571 01:43:59,880 --> 01:44:02,600 services that some of our communities 2572 01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,880 are receiving versus others. Um 2573 01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:09,560 we talked about the fact that it doesn't 2574 01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:13,320 necessarily work as a one-size-fits-all 2575 01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,400 type scenario. Um we had a lot of the 2576 01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:19,480 smaller communities there at our focus 2577 01:44:19,480 --> 01:44:21,960 group, so we brought up a lot of issues 2578 01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,960 with um you know, you're paying this fee 2579 01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,200 every month and this is what everybody's 2580 01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:28,840 receiving. However, there's certain 2581 01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,880 communities that are not receiving um 2582 01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:33,200 glass pickup. There are certain 2583 01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:34,680 communities that are not receiving green 2584 01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,720 waste pickup. And there are certain 2585 01:44:36,720 --> 01:44:38,840 communities that the scrap the dumpster 2586 01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,080 program is not necessarily serving as 2587 01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,120 well as it could be. 2588 01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:45,320 So, we spent a lot of time kind of 2589 01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,160 addressing some of those issues because 2590 01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,360 I think a lot of the smaller communities 2591 01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,640 don't necessarily get as much of that 2592 01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,160 time to really discuss how important 2593 01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,440 those issues are to them. 2594 01:44:56,440 --> 01:44:58,120 Um which brought in some good 2595 01:44:58,120 --> 01:45:00,440 information just brainstorming. We 2596 01:45:00,440 --> 01:45:02,440 talked about whether or not recycling 2597 01:45:02,440 --> 01:45:04,440 every other week is something that would 2598 01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:07,960 benefit the communities as a whole. 2599 01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:10,520 Um and how that would be perceived by 2600 01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:12,960 the community once that's 2601 01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:15,280 that if that were to be enforced. 2602 01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:16,920 Um we talked about whether or not that 2603 01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:19,880 could offset different services being 2604 01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:21,800 better provided to some of the areas 2605 01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:23,760 that are maybe further away or require 2606 01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:24,960 different 2607 01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:26,560 uh machinery to be able to pick up like 2608 01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,080 Brighton for example, um front loading 2609 01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,840 only or Copperton being way out on the 2610 01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,480 West Bench or very limited access on a 2611 01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:38,440 street. Um case by case scenario. So, 2612 01:45:38,440 --> 01:45:41,320 just trying to find a way to 2613 01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:44,760 be able to get the 2614 01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:48,000 opinion from A, the board member for the 2615 01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,720 community that serves here, and then 2616 01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:51,840 being able to discuss that with their 2617 01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,280 respective councils, and then being able 2618 01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:55,920 to get the information from the 2619 01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,920 residents on what their priorities are, 2620 01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:00,400 whether it's recycling, whether it's 2621 01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,680 green waste, whether it's glass 2622 01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,080 collection, um and being able to 2623 01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,880 articulate how those savings can benefit 2624 01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:10,520 them rather than them just seeing, 2625 01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:11,960 "Well, this is what I'm paying a month, 2626 01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:14,480 so why are we cutting services?" 2627 01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:16,080 Um making sure that they understand it's 2628 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:17,400 not a cut in service, it's just 2629 01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,120 balancing that so that we can provide 2630 01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:22,520 the best service all the way around. 2631 01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:26,600 Does that summarize for my group? Okay. 2632 01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:28,160 You did a great job. You did a great 2633 01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:31,670 job. 2634 01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:33,120 All right. Um 2635 01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:35,720 we're now going to move over to Evan and 2636 01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,520 he's actually going to talk about um 2637 01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,800 something that Matt just brought up uh 2638 01:46:39,800 --> 01:46:43,040 as far as looking at our about um 2639 01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,320 evolving landscapes for as well uh the 2640 01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:47,000 different kinds of services that we're 2641 01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:49,200 providing um and opportunities we have 2642 01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,400 to expand that. So, Evan. 2643 01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:53,960 Yeah, I missed so much. 2644 01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:55,080 Uh yeah, we're going to get involved in 2645 01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:57,640 that summary. 2646 01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,160 And then so, there are some additional 2647 01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:03,400 attachments. This is item 3.7. It's page 2648 01:47:03,400 --> 01:47:06,920 45 of the board packets. 2649 01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:10,360 Uh so, there's a one-page very brief uh 2650 01:47:10,360 --> 01:47:13,280 background and summary and just some 2651 01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:14,680 functions or alternatives for the 2652 01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:16,040 board's consideration, but there are 2653 01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:18,480 also also are some uh some massive other 2654 01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:19,960 information 2655 01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:21,760 just to further support the discussion. 2656 01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,960 So, when this organization was created, 2657 01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,600 we were created with with certain 2658 01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,120 limitations 2659 01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:34,000 throughout our defined service area or boundaries. We can constitute this 2660 01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,680 organization's service district. So, 2661 01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:38,760 within that jurisdiction, we have been 2662 01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:40,480 given 2663 01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:44,520 in essence primacy for servicing uh 2664 01:47:44,520 --> 01:47:48,000 residential trash and recycling 2665 01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,480 for single-family households 2666 01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:54,680 with limitations up to a fourplex. 2667 01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,240 Anything beyond a fourplex is is in 2668 01:47:57,240 --> 01:48:00,440 essence considered open markets, 2669 01:48:00,440 --> 01:48:04,080 uh but this district historically has 2670 01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:05,200 uh 2671 01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:06,640 again, being being a lot of 2672 01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:08,640 authorization and and by the service 2673 01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:11,680 declined or not sought to 2674 01:48:11,680 --> 01:48:13,840 provide those services. 2675 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,440 And we know that uh just Cedar Hills and 2676 01:48:16,440 --> 01:48:19,200 Mill Creek, there's a very much evolving 2677 01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,960 and expanding landscape in Salt Lake 2678 01:48:21,960 --> 01:48:22,914 County. 2679 01:48:22,914 --> 01:48:23,000 >> [clears throat] 2680 01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:25,800 >> And a lot of the new developments are 2681 01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:27,520 multi-family 2682 01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:29,920 apartments that are having, 2683 01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:31,840 you know, well beyond a fourplex in some 2684 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:34,280 cases, but having these 2685 01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:35,120 uh 2686 01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:38,400 more centralized, high-density 2687 01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:41,040 uh higher volume generating 2688 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:42,240 uh residential 2689 01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:45,320 units. So, uh there's also in the packet 2690 01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:47,640 some information on our 2691 01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:49,680 resolutions, what what defines a 2692 01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,560 property unit. 2693 01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:52,760 Uh but let's not repeat a couple of 2694 01:48:52,760 --> 01:48:55,160 things here in the summary. So, you 2695 01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:56,560 know, due to these limitations, the 2696 01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,320 district's economies of scale have been 2697 01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,200 hindered. 2698 01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:01,960 And service costs for residential 2699 01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:03,480 customers 2700 01:49:03,480 --> 01:49:05,160 within the definition of a property unit 2701 01:49:05,160 --> 01:49:07,760 are not able to be offset by servicing 2702 01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:09,320 high density 2703 01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:12,280 larger volume generating properties. 2704 01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:13,560 So, consequently, we've had actually to 2705 01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,640 first services. Whereas, we've worked a 2706 01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:17,520 lot on our private road agreements, but 2707 01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:20,000 recalls that we've actually 2708 01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,120 had had to actually give away services 2709 01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,880 up to 1,000 various plus units 2710 01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:27,640 throughout a period of time 2711 01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:31,040 due to our resolutions and policies 2712 01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,440 and also some of the provisions that are 2713 01:49:32,440 --> 01:49:36,520 in the current policy manual as well. 2714 01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:39,360 So, it's basically, you know, how do we 2715 01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:42,120 seek to evolve, to grow, 2716 01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,480 to to really to maximize what we just 2717 01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:45,840 have discussed already today is the 2718 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,960 common theme is our economies of scale. 2719 01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:50,760 And so, by servicing, you know, these 2720 01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:53,760 other types of of properties, 2721 01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,240 uh we can offset our our costs to the 2722 01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:58,520 individual household by providing 2723 01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:00,680 all the services that we provide uh 2724 01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:02,480 beyond just weekly trash, recycling, and 2725 01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:04,960 so on. So, so kind of the the questions 2726 01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,280 here, you know, 2727 01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:08,960 should we 2728 01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,840 research and identify what this may or 2729 01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:13,600 may not look like 2730 01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:14,160 uh 2731 01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:16,040 from this district taking on 2732 01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:17,560 multi-family 2733 01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:19,080 residential dwellings, apartments, for 2734 01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:20,280 example. 2735 01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:22,600 Uh do we want to look at hotels, other 2736 01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:25,080 short-term lodging accommodations? Uh 2737 01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,760 but are we going to open up to a larger 2738 01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:29,920 array of of services, businesses, 2739 01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:32,720 offices, retailers, restaurants, et 2740 01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:36,360 cetera? So, throughout our service area, 2741 01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,280 outside of the the residential services 2742 01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,600 we provide, those 2743 01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:43,360 services are are open markets. 2744 01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:45,520 Uh so, it's it's basically, in essence, 2745 01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,640 open competition. So, we can go and 2746 01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,320 provide some of the services, 2747 01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:51,920 and it's not that we'd be hiring a sales 2748 01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:54,600 team and going out and lobbying at the 2749 01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:57,320 League of Cities and Towns and 2750 01:50:57,320 --> 01:50:58,680 et cetera, so on and so forth. But, 2751 01:50:58,680 --> 01:51:00,880 opening up those services, 2752 01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:02,840 giving that as an option, looking to to 2753 01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,440 grow those. But, I guess even, you know, 2754 01:51:05,440 --> 01:51:07,880 do we adapt our resolutions? 2755 01:51:07,880 --> 01:51:10,680 Do we open up our jurisdiction service 2756 01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,240 area boundaries to 2757 01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:13,880 um 2758 01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,040 all residential properties, for example? 2759 01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:17,440 What is what does that model look like 2760 01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:19,840 in essence? And so, uh the next page on 2761 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:20,960 the agenda, Renee, if you'll pull this 2762 01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:22,400 up, can you go to that map of Salt Lake 2763 01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:23,480 County? 2764 01:51:23,480 --> 01:51:28,000 Um the the very first that's page 46. 2765 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:29,240 So, if you can just zoom in a little 2766 01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:31,560 bit, uh towards the bottom. Just start, 2767 01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:33,640 if you don't mind, the screen 2768 01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:36,480 uh one more one more level, if you can. 2769 01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:37,680 Um 2770 01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:38,520 I don't know if you guys are seeing the 2771 01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:39,920 same things that we 2772 01:51:39,920 --> 01:51:43,080 So, this map is showing where we are are 2773 01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:44,120 Can I interrupt you to ask a question? 2774 01:51:44,120 --> 01:51:45,160 >> Yes, sir. But, 2775 01:51:45,160 --> 01:51:47,320 just for historical purposes, is there a 2776 01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:49,280 reason why we haven't done this from the 2777 01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,960 beginning? Why that wasn't part of the 2778 01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:53,280 I think it's not the appropriate time to 2779 01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:55,400 ask. Well, it's a good I think, and tell 2780 01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:58,640 me if I'm wrong, the short answer is 2781 01:51:58,640 --> 01:52:01,520 um Salt Lake County is is just largely 2782 01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:04,480 been like a city that was primarily like 2783 01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:06,840 single-family residents, and so that was 2784 01:52:06,840 --> 01:52:08,880 like primary mission. And then and that 2785 01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:10,080 mix 2786 01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:11,520 it just it's just been gradually 2787 01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:13,800 changing over the years. So, I think Is 2788 01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:15,320 that the fair enough to say the short 2789 01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:16,520 answer of that? That's that's what I was 2790 01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:18,000 saying. So, this this district was 2791 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:19,680 created before all these areas within 2792 01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:21,760 our service service areas were, in 2793 01:52:21,760 --> 01:52:23,360 essence, 2794 01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:25,440 incorporated. incorporated. 2795 01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:26,760 Right? So, we 2796 01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:27,880 we're we're 2797 01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:29,880 using that economies of scale model to 2798 01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,760 provide services throughout the county 2799 01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:33,960 where where they didn't have 2800 01:52:33,960 --> 01:52:36,080 municipalities or other incorporated 2801 01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:38,480 areas that we're seeing. So, that 2802 01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:39,760 model's remained the same, but I think 2803 01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,840 at the same time Utah as as a state, and 2804 01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:44,480 I think Salt Lake County and the larger 2805 01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:49,720 metro areas are sensitive to 2806 01:52:49,720 --> 01:52:51,400 private sector and 2807 01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:53,680 leaving those services open to the 2808 01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:55,560 private sector to service them. Got you. 2809 01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:57,960 Principal reason 2810 01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:00,560 at the beginning of that. 2811 01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:02,560 So, that's about fair. That's fair. 2812 01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:03,720 Yeah, it's fair. 2813 01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,760 Can I chime in on that, too? 2814 01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:07,720 Um I would I'm just going to say that as 2815 01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,000 a district, even though we are 100% 2816 01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,320 independent at this point in time, we 2817 01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,200 are limited to what our creation 2818 01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:15,640 document is 2819 01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:17,720 gave to us. More or less, the district 2820 01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:20,120 is created by the city or county, 2821 01:53:20,120 --> 01:53:21,440 and 2822 01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:24,360 that city or county held the the power 2823 01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:26,920 and obligation to provide those services 2824 01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:29,360 before, and it more or less divested 2825 01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,160 itself of those powers and gave it to 2826 01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:33,120 us. And anything that it didn't give to 2827 01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,520 us, it retained for itself. So, we can't 2828 01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:37,720 expand our services beyond what was 2829 01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:42,840 stated in the in the documents, but what I will say is that the documents 2830 01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,080 limit us in terms of like our primary 2831 01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,280 responsibility, but it it it doesn't 2832 01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:50,200 stop there. It does say, "And you can do 2833 01:53:50,200 --> 01:53:52,600 all these other things if" I think it 2834 01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:54,640 says if they if like those entities 2835 01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:56,960 function and request service. So, it's 2836 01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:58,480 not like we're completely barred, it's 2837 01:53:58,480 --> 01:53:59,920 just that would not be part of our 2838 01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:03,440 primary obligation model, but we can do 2839 01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:05,600 all of those under more of like a 2840 01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,680 contract basis with those entities. So, 2841 01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:09,440 we're not going against the foundation. 2842 01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:10,920 We're not going against foundational 2843 01:54:10,920 --> 01:54:12,680 principles. But, we're 2844 01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:14,880 allowed. Yeah, that said, 2845 01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:16,618 well, that's what it is. 2846 01:54:16,618 --> 01:54:17,120 >> [laughter] 2847 01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:18,520 >> Thank you for that clarification. Yeah. 2848 01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:20,040 Sorry. Sorry to No, you're good. You're 2849 01:54:20,040 --> 01:54:22,040 good. 2850 01:54:22,040 --> 01:54:24,680 Well, and I'll say our our services are 2851 01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:26,520 broad in in those definitions, which 2852 01:54:26,520 --> 01:54:27,720 again, if they're highlighted in the 2853 01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:29,320 resolutions. 2854 01:54:29,320 --> 01:54:31,200 Uh but, I want to get into our front 2855 01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:32,880 load services, which are the big metal 2856 01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:34,800 container collections. 2857 01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:35,360 Uh 2858 01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:37,680 we recently plotted all these locations 2859 01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:43,160 on a map of Salt Lake County. And so, if there's a a legend at the bottom of 2860 01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:45,200 this page here that I would 2861 01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:46,920 urge you to look at. If it's if the 2862 01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,000 shape is a square, 2863 01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:50,880 then it's a service we'll provide under 2864 01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:52,800 the local municipality, 2865 01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:55,200 but we've been providing those services 2866 01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,480 uh for a long period of time, probably 2867 01:54:57,480 --> 01:55:00,240 10 plus 20 years. Uh the different 2868 01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:02,760 colors indicate the the level of service 2869 01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:04,880 on top of that as well. 2870 01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:06,960 Uh but, what you'll quickly see is that 2871 01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:08,880 we have properties across We're all We 2872 01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,280 are all over this county. We're in 2873 01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:13,280 downtown Salt Lake City. We're in Draper 2874 01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:14,840 on various occasions throughout the 2875 01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,240 year. Yes. Yeah, Brighton's not on the 2876 01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:20,080 map. That is correct. So, Brighton, Big 2877 01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,680 Cottonwood Canyon is is kind of 2878 01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:24,640 off the map, but we also are providing 2879 01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:26,040 those services. 2880 01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:28,120 So, Brighton is not on the map. 2881 01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:29,960 You're like the last area of Hawaii. 2882 01:55:29,960 --> 01:55:31,920 Yeah, it's okay. I was thrilled to see 2883 01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,440 our tiny little one there. 2884 01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:35,440 At least not there. 2885 01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:37,720 I'm seeing it on 2886 01:55:37,720 --> 01:55:39,960 And and so, we have these trucks running 2887 01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:41,640 throughout Salt Lake County, which we 2888 01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:43,640 have in the nature of those contracts 2889 01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:45,400 with with Salt Lake County for for a 2890 01:55:45,400 --> 01:55:47,720 period of over a decade. 2891 01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:48,880 But, as you'll see, there's there's 2892 01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:50,480 significant distance in between these 2893 01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,640 locations. So, anything that we could 2894 01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,560 expand to, I think primarily within our 2895 01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:58,000 service area, but I had no idea until 2896 01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,240 recently we were down in Draper 2897 01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,280 providing services at various parks, 2898 01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:05,000 cemeteries, and this uh 2899 01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:07,120 you know, downtown Salt Lake on North 2900 01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:09,840 Temple. Some of these are multiple 2901 01:56:09,840 --> 01:56:12,120 collection days per week. And if it's if 2902 01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:17,000 it's a a green square or a green circle, the 2903 01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:19,640 green a circle is like a private 2904 01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:21,240 They're a different type of of contract 2905 01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:23,120 that's within our services. But, a 2906 01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:25,360 square is Salt Lake County, but then a 2907 01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:28,760 green is trash and recycle collection. 2908 01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:30,000 So, that's not one truck, that's two 2909 01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:33,480 trucks going to those areas. So, 2910 01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:35,880 there's just a lot of opportunities to 2911 01:56:35,880 --> 01:56:37,360 enhance our economies of scale or 2912 01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:39,560 efficiencies here, but also 2913 01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:42,360 to to maximize those those higher volume 2914 01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:44,760 generating facilities to offset our 2915 01:56:44,760 --> 01:56:47,480 costs to to other businesses. So, I've 2916 01:56:47,480 --> 01:56:49,240 worked in in various other special 2917 01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:51,480 districts. I've been into a limited 2918 01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:53,440 degree the private sector, not in 2919 01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:56,720 collections, but in the past two other 2920 01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:58,000 solid waste 2921 01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:00,760 sections that I oversaw and managed, 2922 01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:02,760 we had a blend of commercial collection 2923 01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:04,920 services. And 2924 01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:06,800 commercial was 2925 01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:08,520 in a lot of cases was actually our 2926 01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:09,640 higher 2927 01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:12,920 revenue generating service as compared 2928 01:57:12,920 --> 01:57:14,720 to single-family households. 2929 01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:17,400 Right now, we we are completely 2930 01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:18,920 in most cases hindered from from 2931 01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:20,880 allowing services 2932 01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,680 uh throughout our our service area. 2933 01:57:23,680 --> 01:57:27,160 So, so the kind of question is and and 2934 01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:28,320 or I don't think we have time to go 2935 01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:30,240 through all of this, but there are some 2936 01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:31,640 areas 2937 01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:32,360 uh 2938 01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:34,920 in the county resolutions that services 2939 01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:37,840 may be provided to many developments, 2940 01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:39,640 condominiums, commercial, and industrial 2941 01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:42,680 properties upon request. 2942 01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,080 And there's also a section about 2943 01:57:45,080 --> 01:57:47,440 providing to facilities 2944 01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:48,920 owned and operated by municipalities 2945 01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:50,719 within the outside of the district at 2946 01:57:50,719 --> 01:57:52,080 the request of the municipal governing 2947 01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:53,320 body 2948 01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:55,120 and if approved by the board, which is 2949 01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:58,760 kind of a a misnomer in some cases. Um 2950 01:57:58,760 --> 01:58:00,160 Cuz why can't we provide to businesses 2951 01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:01,440 without approval from the board when 2952 01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:03,880 it's not to municipalities? 2953 01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:05,200 I would call it a clerical error in the 2954 01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:08,630 wording. So, um 2955 01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:09,719 I would encourage all of our board 2956 01:58:09,719 --> 01:58:11,000 members to review that at least the 2957 01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,400 highlighted sections in these. 2958 01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:18,360 So, the the one resolution is from 20 2959 01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:20,719 2016, which is when the administrative 2960 01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:22,719 control board was created. 2961 01:58:22,719 --> 01:58:23,920 It was provided a little bit more 2962 01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:26,560 clarity with then the 2022, 2963 01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:28,840 which is much more abbreviated. It's 2964 01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:31,200 silent on a lot of these provisions. Was 2965 01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:33,920 when WFRC became a local district or now 2966 01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:37,000 a special district. 2967 01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,280 So, 2968 01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:39,880 sorry, Victor. So, what the ask for 2969 01:58:39,880 --> 01:58:43,320 today is is not making a decision about 2970 01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:46,000 each of these multi-family hotels, other 2971 01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:48,120 all of those different categories of 2972 01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:51,320 businesses, is making a decision if we 2973 01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:54,360 want to research the cost-effectiveness 2974 01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:57,080 of those of those avenues and really see 2975 01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:59,200 what it would look like to expand our 2976 01:58:59,200 --> 01:59:00,719 cars. So, we're not making the decision 2977 01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:02,240 to do that today, we're just making the 2978 01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:05,040 decision to research it today. Correct. 2979 01:59:05,040 --> 01:59:08,520 Yes. So, what areas should we focus on 2980 01:59:08,520 --> 01:59:11,360 or research in? What's the the best 2981 01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,240 strategic path forward in looking at 2982 01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:15,240 this 2983 01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:17,640 uh particular topic? I think we need to 2984 01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:20,080 research all of them and really so that 2985 01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,320 we have them all of the data to make 2986 01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:25,160 the best decision possible. Um 2987 01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:27,520 for the district feedback. 2988 01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:31,120 And looking at but last two perhaps 2989 01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:33,320 if you keep all of the dots 2990 01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:35,200 it is that is 2991 01:59:35,200 --> 01:59:38,200 part of expanding the business itself. 2992 01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:41,400 Where are the routes that pass by those 2993 01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:44,520 routes areas and can you can you that's 2994 01:59:44,520 --> 01:59:47,120 where we can target 2995 01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:49,000 uh additional businesses if we don't 2996 01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,400 have to change the routes. 2997 01:59:51,400 --> 01:59:52,160 We can 2998 01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:54,400 pick up those spot cans 2999 01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:57,400 in those your own areas. So, 3000 01:59:57,400 --> 01:59:58,400 where 3001 01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:01,080 we're finding way finding is this and 3002 02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:04,280 can we pick up XXX on a different place 3003 02:00:04,280 --> 02:00:05,360 if you know 3004 02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:07,880 so you can any 3005 02:00:07,880 --> 02:00:10,320 we're just facing that revenue base. 3006 02:00:10,320 --> 02:00:12,440 Well, and and we've also seen so it's 3007 02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:13,960 better like you're saying for areas 3008 02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:16,040 where in the area anyway it just makes 3009 02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:18,280 sense for efficiencies to 3010 02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:19,440 move forward. 3011 02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:20,440 So, 3012 02:00:20,440 --> 02:00:22,760 can we do we have a good consensus with 3013 02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:25,480 the board that we would like to pursue 3014 02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:26,240 um 3015 02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:28,800 researching and um 3016 02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:31,280 anybody opposed to that? 3017 02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,360 Um I'm going to be the devil's advocate 3018 02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:34,040 even though I'm [clears throat] the 3019 02:00:34,040 --> 02:00:36,800 staff advocate. 3020 02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:39,600 Um Matt brought up something he 3021 02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:42,120 If we start going after or we're 3022 02:00:42,120 --> 02:00:44,000 perceived as going after some of these 3023 02:00:44,000 --> 02:00:46,160 commercial spots, then 3024 02:00:46,160 --> 02:00:47,920 does that mean our residents feel like 3025 02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:50,520 that they are subsidizing the pick up of 3026 02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:52,600 commercial entities? And then number 3027 02:00:52,600 --> 02:00:54,880 two, I've been thinking about just a 3028 02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:57,400 little community HOA community in 3029 02:00:57,400 --> 02:00:59,920 Taylorsville that has wide streets when 3030 02:00:59,920 --> 02:01:00,920 we leave. 3031 02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:02,400 When they planned it we said, "No, it's 3032 02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:05,480 Spanish streets." Woodford could easily 3033 02:01:05,480 --> 02:01:07,160 go in and pick up their trash. It would 3034 02:01:07,160 --> 02:01:08,640 be awesome. 3035 02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:11,400 However, they're only paying $19 a 3036 02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:13,840 month. So, if we go in and say you're 3037 02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:16,560 now with Woodford, then we get calls 3038 02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:19,720 saying, "How dare you do that? 3039 02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:22,080 I'm now paying 26 where I'm only paying 3040 02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:24,720 19, but they're part of the Taylorsville 3041 02:01:24,720 --> 02:01:26,480 where they were getting the advantages 3042 02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:28,160 and some of the other stuff. So, I'm 3043 02:01:28,160 --> 02:01:29,720 just being the devil's advocate. That's 3044 02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:32,000 all. I actually don't disagree with you. 3045 02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:33,320 To me that's why I think we need to do 3046 02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:34,680 the research. I'm not saying that we're 3047 02:01:34,680 --> 02:01:37,360 all on board with with all of this. I 3048 02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,200 think we just need the data so that we 3049 02:01:39,200 --> 02:01:41,920 can look at those kind of situations 3050 02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:43,960 that are I'm sure we all have those in 3051 02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:45,440 our community. 3052 02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:47,800 Um so, so to me it's just like we need 3053 02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:50,800 more data to really make this decision 3054 02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,960 because I don't know where I am. 3055 02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:57,360 Can I ask a question? Um 3056 02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:02,080 does the research and compiles the data? 3057 02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:03,600 Great question. So, that's 3058 02:02:03,600 --> 02:02:06,120 something we didn't mention as part of 3059 02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:08,440 the earlier breakout session. So, this 3060 02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:10,680 year we have budgeted or we're actually 3061 02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:13,320 developing an RFP. We fell a little 3062 02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:15,520 behind based on other priorities and 3063 02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:18,120 needs, but a a line of service financial 3064 02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:19,600 assessment that we're looking at to 3065 02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:21,400 basically understand the true cost of 3066 02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:22,960 providing 3067 02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:25,720 the varying services by geographic 3068 02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:27,480 services. So, the cost of trash 3069 02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:29,720 collection, recycle collection, green 3070 02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:31,920 waste collection for example. 3071 02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:33,600 So, we're actually going to be including 3072 02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:35,080 other 3073 02:02:35,080 --> 02:02:36,880 scenarios. We want this consultant 3074 02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:38,760 ultimately 3075 02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:40,120 financial 3076 02:02:40,120 --> 02:02:41,840 consultant to look at this information 3077 02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:44,240 for us. We'll be developing and looking 3078 02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:46,360 at these issues as well. So, looking at 3079 02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:48,960 what's the cost savings or the 3080 02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:50,400 rate adjustments for going every other 3081 02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,680 week recycling versus weekly recycling. 3082 02:02:53,680 --> 02:02:55,160 You know, what we do to expand our our 3083 02:02:55,160 --> 02:02:56,840 green waste collection services for 3084 02:02:56,840 --> 02:02:58,640 example. So, it'll be 3085 02:02:58,640 --> 02:03:00,800 predominantly a third party financial 3086 02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:05,950 assessment from a consultant. 3087 02:03:05,960 --> 02:03:06,920 Everybody 3088 02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:08,680 If I may just a few other things. So, we 3089 02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:09,880 have a couple of maps in the board 3090 02:03:09,880 --> 02:03:15,600 packet as well. If we can go to the Holiday Hills one today. So, HOAs 3091 02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:17,800 are now also developing 3092 02:03:17,800 --> 02:03:19,360 multi-family 3093 02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:22,600 mixed use developments. So, the HOA 3094 02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:23,840 typically wants a single service 3095 02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:25,240 provider because you're billing directly 3096 02:03:25,240 --> 02:03:28,440 to the HOA and in some cases individual 3097 02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:30,680 residents. So, this is a new development 3098 02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:32,200 in Holiday Hills where we've actually 3099 02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:35,440 been asked to provide service on the 3100 02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:37,080 eastern portion of what you would 3101 02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:39,080 consider a map. So, 3102 02:03:39,080 --> 02:03:40,800 the green section there with our 3103 02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:43,680 fourplexes, triplexes, 3104 02:03:43,680 --> 02:03:46,040 some are sixplexes. So, but if you look 3105 02:03:46,040 --> 02:03:48,360 towards the north portion, there are 3106 02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:50,160 combined 3107 02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:51,920 multi-family apartments being being 3108 02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:53,280 developed there as well and and of 3109 02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:54,960 course other mixed use developments here 3110 02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,160 too. So, if we can't provide all the 3111 02:03:57,160 --> 02:03:58,720 services, then as we actually have to 3112 02:03:58,720 --> 02:04:01,600 say, "Oh, well, we can no longer We we 3113 02:04:01,600 --> 02:04:03,080 actually can't give that service away." 3114 02:04:03,080 --> 02:04:04,440 So, if we can't provide all the services 3115 02:04:04,440 --> 02:04:06,960 that they that they need, then we lose 3116 02:04:06,960 --> 02:04:09,040 that business. We lose that revenue. We 3117 02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:10,520 lose that 3118 02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:12,120 efficiency and economies of scale. So, 3119 02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:14,480 this is another reason why 3120 02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:16,080 I think we can readily demonstrate why 3121 02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:17,600 we need to adjust and have more 3122 02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:19,400 flexibility 3123 02:04:19,400 --> 02:04:20,840 with our our quote unquote 3124 02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:22,600 serviceability 3125 02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:24,880 with with this organization. 3126 02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:25,760 And another thing you'll see in the 3127 02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:27,360 resolutions 3128 02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:29,040 is that we're able to provide 3129 02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,320 collection, transportation, 3130 02:04:31,320 --> 02:04:32,920 and I think and processing and some 3131 02:04:32,920 --> 02:04:35,240 other things as well. So, in essence, 3132 02:04:35,240 --> 02:04:37,000 this district has the scope and the 3133 02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,320 ability to 3134 02:04:39,320 --> 02:04:40,800 develop and operate its own transfer 3135 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:42,800 station, develop and operate its own 3136 02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:44,920 materials recovery facility for 3137 02:04:44,920 --> 02:04:46,560 recycling, 3138 02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:48,280 develop and operate our own compost 3139 02:04:48,280 --> 02:04:50,800 operation for example. So, there's there 3140 02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:53,080 are a lot of opportunities that not 3141 02:04:53,080 --> 02:04:55,120 necessarily looked at or pursued in the 3142 02:04:55,120 --> 02:04:57,560 past. And so, we're kind of looking at 3143 02:04:57,560 --> 02:04:59,960 what strategic initiatives 3144 02:04:59,960 --> 02:05:01,000 should we look at, what should we 3145 02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:03,200 prioritize and look at what's 3146 02:05:03,200 --> 02:05:07,630 opportunities. 3147 02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:10,720 I'd say go, go, go. 3148 02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:13,320 Let's look at all of it. 3149 02:05:13,320 --> 02:05:15,000 All right. Um 3150 02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,320 we're we're um 3151 02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:19,600 I I think that gives you direction that 3152 02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:21,720 you need to Uh 3153 02:05:21,720 --> 02:05:24,920 a little bit more focus. 3154 02:05:24,920 --> 02:05:26,640 Well, we can still look at it. So, we'll 3155 02:05:26,640 --> 02:05:28,280 leave part of the financial assessment 3156 02:05:28,280 --> 02:05:29,760 as well. We'll kind of have some some 3157 02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:32,840 part category of those. Obviously 3158 02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:34,360 there's a 3159 02:05:34,360 --> 02:05:36,280 large degree of possibilities in 3160 02:05:36,280 --> 02:05:37,560 increasing our efficiencies in our front 3161 02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:39,560 load collection services just based on 3162 02:05:39,560 --> 02:05:40,720 that map. 3163 02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:42,080 So, we're actually already looking at 3164 02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:43,320 these things. Just want to make sure we 3165 02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:44,720 didn't have 3166 02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:46,800 that the board wants us to prioritize 3167 02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:50,320 one other item over the other. 3168 02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:51,480 But we'll we'll come back with more 3169 02:05:51,480 --> 02:05:53,240 information. So, we can get back. Are 3170 02:05:53,240 --> 02:05:57,950 front loaded trucks cheaper? 3171 02:05:57,960 --> 02:06:02,120 From a new capital cost perspective? 3172 02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:03,640 Versus some of the other types of 3173 02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:05,680 vehicle. 3174 02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:08,000 They may have a good answer for that. I would say the sideload is more 3175 02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:09,400 expensive because of the arms and the 3176 02:06:09,400 --> 02:06:11,480 technology. Arms. 3177 02:06:11,480 --> 02:06:15,640 But you're probably 50,000 more at most. 3178 02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:17,240 So, whereas sideloads we're getting like 3179 02:06:17,240 --> 02:06:20,680 what 420-ish thousand. The the 3180 02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:22,800 commercial front loads are probably 380, 3181 02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:24,040 390. 3182 02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:27,000 What about their service life term? 3183 02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:28,560 Probably fewer. 3184 02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:30,440 Because the arms are Those arms The arms 3185 02:06:30,440 --> 02:06:32,880 are used sometimes a day on a sideload, 3186 02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:34,680 but the front load it's you know, maybe 3187 02:06:34,680 --> 02:06:36,280 like 100 times more. 3188 02:06:36,280 --> 02:06:38,120 So, long as they're maintained and 3189 02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:41,000 things like that. 3190 02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:42,440 And they can pack more. They can haul 3191 02:06:42,440 --> 02:06:43,320 more weight. 3192 02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:44,560 capacities 3193 02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:47,560 more than one All right. 3194 02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:49,080 As a property owner, it seems to me 3195 02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:51,720 sounds like there's not the going after 3196 02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:53,000 the budget. 3197 02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:53,960 If we're going to prepare for it, I 3198 02:06:53,960 --> 02:06:55,400 don't know if you guys not only looking 3199 02:06:55,400 --> 02:06:57,080 at the financial implications of it, but 3200 02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:59,480 how this information gets communicated 3201 02:06:59,480 --> 02:07:00,120 out. 3202 02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:02,360 Might be something to consider since you 3203 02:07:02,360 --> 02:07:05,080 have a consultant sitting there. Not 3204 02:07:05,080 --> 02:07:07,560 only would the economics are but the 3205 02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:08,760 actual 3206 02:07:08,760 --> 02:07:11,720 um the public discourse 3207 02:07:11,720 --> 02:07:13,760 is something to consider. 3208 02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:17,550 I have to work it through. 3209 02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:20,240 All right. Um I think 3210 02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:21,400 um 3211 02:07:21,400 --> 02:07:23,840 we're going to forgo an official break. 3212 02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,160 However, like if you're seeing it 3213 02:07:25,160 --> 02:07:26,480 required, everybody needs to take a 3214 02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,160 breath at a different time. People need 3215 02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:31,040 to excuse themselves. Um we can just 3216 02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:34,080 kind of do it all at different times. Um 3217 02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:35,880 we can keep moving forward because we 3218 02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:38,040 are now moving to what I know everybody 3219 02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:39,920 really wants to get into. We have set 3220 02:07:39,920 --> 02:07:41,960 aside a large block of time to talk 3221 02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:43,600 about is uh 3222 02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:46,320 bulky waste um 3223 02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:49,320 program and design um and Evan's plans 3224 02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:51,520 for the future. So, Evan 3225 02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:55,040 uh David and and Renee are going to dive 3226 02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:57,400 in to that. So, 3227 02:07:57,400 --> 02:07:59,600 go for it. Yeah, so much. 3228 02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:00,520 Uh I think we're going to go ahead and 3229 02:08:00,520 --> 02:08:03,800 start with Renee. So, Renee has 3230 02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:05,160 um 3231 02:08:05,160 --> 02:08:06,320 seen something looks similar to this in 3232 02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:07,280 the past. 3233 02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:09,280 >> Actually, Evan, I'm so sorry. I have to 3234 02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:11,160 leave at 11:30 for another meeting. 3235 02:08:11,160 --> 02:08:13,560 That's kind of my day is. So, just so 3236 02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:14,560 you know, 3237 02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:17,280 after this these uh Keith is going to be 3238 02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:18,600 taking it over. Brett is going to be 3239 02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:20,480 here. Just so we're aware. Okay, sorry. 3240 02:08:20,480 --> 02:08:24,110 Go. 3241 02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:26,360 Uh so so as Renee has put together in 3242 02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:29,360 the past the uh 3243 02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,200 cost of service 3244 02:08:31,200 --> 02:08:32,000 um 3245 02:08:32,000 --> 02:08:34,520 comparison amongst the costs various 3246 02:08:34,520 --> 02:08:36,680 cities in Davis, Salt Lake and Utah 3247 02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:39,120 counties. And so, the second exercise 3248 02:08:39,120 --> 02:08:40,600 she's done which is in the packet as 3249 02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:43,719 well is put together a comparison of how 3250 02:08:43,719 --> 02:08:46,040 those similar cities 3251 02:08:46,040 --> 02:08:48,240 manage, funds, 3252 02:08:48,240 --> 02:08:50,960 limit and or restrict their bulky waste 3253 02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:52,360 programs. 3254 02:08:52,360 --> 02:08:55,160 What uh is is the means and methods of 3255 02:08:55,160 --> 02:08:57,880 providing those services, how often 3256 02:08:57,880 --> 02:09:00,320 they're provided, once accepted and if 3257 02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:03,080 not accepted, for example. And so, we 3258 02:09:03,080 --> 02:09:05,400 wanted to start with a brief overview of 3259 02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:07,040 this item and then we can try to get 3260 02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:09,680 into the Excel file, but this is also in 3261 02:09:09,680 --> 02:09:11,440 the board packet. 3262 02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:14,400 Uh you know, what we found is that for 3263 02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:16,440 is currently 3264 02:09:16,440 --> 02:09:18,480 as far as we know, for providing for 3265 02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:20,120 providing residential bulky waste 3266 02:09:20,120 --> 02:09:23,040 services, we are the only organization 3267 02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:26,080 provided via a container service. 3268 02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:27,680 So, pretty much the entirety of the 3269 02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:30,040 remainder of all the other areas 3270 02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:32,200 uh unless they're either a container or 3271 02:09:32,200 --> 02:09:34,360 a box, uh those [snorts] bulky waste 3272 02:09:34,360 --> 02:09:36,520 programs are predominantly, uh and 3273 02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:39,040 almost entirely, uh a curbside based 3274 02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,920 program or uh central container program 3275 02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:43,800 or resident drop-off. So, I know Renee's 3276 02:09:43,800 --> 02:09:45,320 going to give an overview of this 3277 02:09:45,320 --> 02:09:48,880 comparison and the idea is to learn and 3278 02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:50,640 glean from this comparison and 3279 02:09:50,640 --> 02:09:53,080 hopefully, uh any adjustments to our 3280 02:09:53,080 --> 02:09:55,120 program moving forward, we can can take 3281 02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:58,280 the best, uh 3282 02:09:58,280 --> 02:09:59,160 you know, 3283 02:09:59,160 --> 02:10:02,800 examples, criteria, etc. and 3284 02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,560 uh for for our program. 3285 02:10:05,560 --> 02:10:07,960 I'll pass it up to Renee. Yeah, so just 3286 02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:11,280 to keep in mind when we look at this, 3287 02:10:11,280 --> 02:10:12,840 again, just a 3288 02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:14,720 dump data, right? 3289 02:10:14,720 --> 02:10:16,720 Um is that this is what we're going to 3290 02:10:16,720 --> 02:10:18,040 compare it to what we were looking at 3291 02:10:18,040 --> 02:10:20,080 and what was included when they asked 3292 02:10:20,080 --> 02:10:21,200 for it. 3293 02:10:21,200 --> 02:10:23,640 So, this isn't other paid programs. This 3294 02:10:23,640 --> 02:10:24,680 is our 3295 02:10:24,680 --> 02:10:26,560 one uh bulky waste. Is there a bulky 3296 02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:28,360 waste program included 3297 02:10:28,360 --> 02:10:29,560 or not? 3298 02:10:29,560 --> 02:10:32,520 And so, just high-level observations of 3299 02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:34,720 what I've included in all these cities, 3300 02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:39,080 um is that it's obvious that we absorb 3301 02:10:39,080 --> 02:10:41,560 most of the risk and cost that, you 3302 02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:43,000 know, that maybe other bulky waste 3303 02:10:43,000 --> 02:10:45,080 programs do not. So, for example, you 3304 02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:47,160 know, historically, you know, we've 3305 02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:49,920 if someone puts a mattress or tires or 3306 02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:51,560 if they just put a bunch of, you know, 3307 02:10:51,560 --> 02:10:54,400 construction debris in their container, 3308 02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:56,320 we're paying for that, right? So, so 3309 02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,040 that's where we're really starting to 3310 02:10:58,040 --> 02:10:59,920 pay more attention to what our residents 3311 02:10:59,920 --> 02:11:01,200 are putting in their containers. Making 3312 02:11:01,200 --> 02:11:02,920 sure that they don't have any tires. 3313 02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:04,880 Um hey, don't put any tires in there. 3314 02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:06,120 Don't put any mattresses in there. We 3315 02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:07,280 didn't put a mattress in there this 3316 02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:08,760 time, but we're going to start operating 3317 02:11:08,760 --> 02:11:09,800 that 3318 02:11:09,800 --> 02:11:11,280 um paying for paying for service, you 3319 02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:12,320 know, going out. 3320 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:13,680 And so, that was that was a huge 3321 02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:16,160 observation right there. Um 3322 02:11:16,160 --> 02:11:18,680 and other cities that did um a bulky 3323 02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:21,120 waste type of program, they actually 3324 02:11:21,120 --> 02:11:22,840 would remove and essentially charge 3325 02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:24,400 residents or fine them if they were 3326 02:11:24,400 --> 02:11:26,160 breaking the rules. 3327 02:11:26,160 --> 02:11:28,000 Or they just didn't pick it up. 3328 02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:28,800 Like they would, you know, just let it 3329 02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:30,200 sit there. So, they didn't have to 3330 02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:32,960 absorb that cost. Um and then that that 3331 02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:34,920 said, no other program that was included 3332 02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:37,480 with bulky waste involved a container. 3333 02:11:37,480 --> 02:11:39,320 So, a container-based program is 3334 02:11:39,320 --> 02:11:41,560 obviously going to be a higher cost and 3335 02:11:41,560 --> 02:11:43,160 a little more difficult for us and for 3336 02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:46,480 the the customer property, etc. 3337 02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:48,520 And then, as you probably gathered from 3338 02:11:48,520 --> 02:11:49,720 this, all of the data 3339 02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:51,880 is very complex. 3340 02:11:51,880 --> 02:11:53,960 And so, we we think we have been weeding 3341 02:11:53,960 --> 02:11:56,080 through a lot of that. That's the main 3342 02:11:56,080 --> 02:11:57,520 observation there. 3343 02:11:57,520 --> 02:11:59,880 Um but, you know, we're we're hoping to 3344 02:11:59,880 --> 02:12:01,520 go there where it's going to be a lot 3345 02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:03,520 easier where residents can probably 3346 02:12:03,520 --> 02:12:05,880 schedule it more than once, schedule it 3347 02:12:05,880 --> 02:12:07,040 a little more frequently to where they 3348 02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:09,600 don't have to wait to have the process. 3349 02:12:09,600 --> 02:12:11,080 And then, um 3350 02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:12,440 you know, we will add to say our 3351 02:12:12,440 --> 02:12:14,800 curbside program has been essentially a 3352 02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:17,280 larger trash effort. 3353 02:12:17,280 --> 02:12:19,360 And so, the the surprises of what we've 3354 02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:21,800 seen here, like I already talked about, 3355 02:12:21,800 --> 02:12:24,280 is exactly why we are 3356 02:12:24,280 --> 02:12:25,240 doing this. 3357 02:12:25,240 --> 02:12:27,320 Um so, um 3358 02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:29,120 that that was again, I think probably 3359 02:12:29,120 --> 02:12:32,320 the overall observations there. Um 3360 02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:34,160 that it's a lot of data and a lot of a 3361 02:12:34,160 --> 02:12:36,080 lot of any specific cities or anything. 3362 02:12:36,080 --> 02:12:37,680 So, 3363 02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:39,000 if you can take some time and really 3364 02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:41,400 look at that, um 3365 02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:42,120 and let me know if you have any 3366 02:12:42,120 --> 02:12:49,390 questions. 3367 02:12:49,400 --> 02:12:51,440 I guess our other question would be we 3368 02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:52,600 talked about this now. How do they do 3369 02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:55,360 curbside? How is it executed? 3370 02:12:55,360 --> 02:12:56,520 Is that the appropriate time to ask that 3371 02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:57,800 or should I wait? 3372 02:12:57,800 --> 02:13:03,000 Okay. It it it really depends on how the programs are done. We learned from 3373 02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:04,840 Salt Lake City, they have different 3374 02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:06,480 heavy equipment that goes out on the 3375 02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:08,040 street. They actually use in some cases 3376 02:13:08,040 --> 02:13:10,120 a dump truck, which is a much 3377 02:13:10,120 --> 02:13:13,400 taller um type mechanism to to put the 3378 02:13:13,400 --> 02:13:15,000 material to. 3379 02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:18,240 Uh often times it is uh a rear truck 3380 02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:20,000 which is loaded into the the back 3381 02:13:20,000 --> 02:13:21,880 portion of that truck 3382 02:13:21,880 --> 02:13:25,800 either manually or with a piece of uh 3383 02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:28,120 hydraulically operated equipment. And 3384 02:13:28,120 --> 02:13:29,840 then, there's size restrictions, you 3385 02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:31,840 know, like even for green waste, there's 3386 02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:33,440 only it can only be like four or five 3387 02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:35,240 clicks uh width and they have to cut it 3388 02:13:35,240 --> 02:13:37,600 down into the minimum to pick it up. Um 3389 02:13:37,600 --> 02:13:39,080 and Salt Lake City, another item that 3390 02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:41,040 they do is if if a resident does have a 3391 02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:42,000 mattress, they're supposed to put the 3392 02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:44,240 mattress to the side and a separate 3393 02:13:44,240 --> 02:13:46,280 truck will come and pick that up. 3394 02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:48,520 So, it's very very different and you 3395 02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:50,480 know, there's there's lots of but 3396 02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:52,200 consistently, we saw that in 3397 02:13:52,200 --> 02:13:55,240 construction material wasn't allowed. Um 3398 02:13:55,240 --> 02:13:56,440 you know, those those tires weren't 3399 02:13:56,440 --> 02:13:57,800 allowed and 3400 02:13:57,800 --> 02:14:00,080 the the new guidelines that we have for 3401 02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:01,520 our scrap program 3402 02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:04,640 um is pretty consistent with what now um 3403 02:14:04,640 --> 02:14:06,720 all the other cities have done. 3404 02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:08,280 But the interesting thing because if if 3405 02:14:08,280 --> 02:14:09,920 somebody puts materials that you don't 3406 02:14:09,920 --> 02:14:11,560 want to take, you still need the bin 3407 02:14:11,560 --> 02:14:13,120 back. 3408 02:14:13,120 --> 02:14:14,920 Right? With our current structure, you 3409 02:14:14,920 --> 02:14:16,600 need that physical bin because someone 3410 02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:18,640 else has a reservation versus if 3411 02:14:18,640 --> 02:14:20,680 someone's putting materials on a curb, 3412 02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:22,120 it's like, "Hey, we we're not picking 3413 02:14:22,120 --> 02:14:23,120 this up 3414 02:14:23,120 --> 02:14:25,720 because you have XXX." I mean, it does 3415 02:14:25,720 --> 02:14:28,080 give you that flexibility. 3416 02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:29,560 So, someone's not holding onto a bin for 3417 02:14:29,560 --> 02:14:34,110 the winter or something. Just something. 3418 02:14:34,120 --> 02:14:36,600 So, so to to kind of summarize some of 3419 02:14:36,600 --> 02:14:38,280 the things uh that Renee's already 3420 02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:40,440 mentioned is that different 3421 02:14:40,440 --> 02:14:42,520 cities and service areas, they have, you 3422 02:14:42,520 --> 02:14:44,320 know, they're they'll accept different 3423 02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:46,280 volumes of items, different types of 3424 02:14:46,280 --> 02:14:47,960 items. There's and there's and then vice 3425 02:14:47,960 --> 02:14:49,840 versa, they won't accept 3426 02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:51,760 certain types of items or items over a 3427 02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:54,240 certain volume of material. Where the 3428 02:14:54,240 --> 02:14:56,000 material is placed, curbside at the 3429 02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:58,280 curb, Sandy City is like 3 ft from the 3430 02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:00,560 curb for storm water concerns. 3431 02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:02,800 So, a lot of things to look at as it as 3432 02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:05,760 it relates to this and our scrap program 3433 02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:06,840 um 3434 02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:09,080 in essence is still in most cases being 3435 02:15:09,080 --> 02:15:12,200 used as a a larger trash container. So, 3436 02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:14,560 people still have bagged trash in there. 3437 02:15:14,560 --> 02:15:16,000 Uh there's still many mattresses in and 3438 02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:17,560 there's still a variety of other items 3439 02:15:17,560 --> 02:15:19,720 as well that are going in there. 3440 02:15:19,720 --> 02:15:22,080 Uh what we have preliminarily talked 3441 02:15:22,080 --> 02:15:24,480 about is that having a more 3442 02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:26,160 structured 3443 02:15:26,160 --> 02:15:28,360 program that would look look at maybe a 3444 02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:30,720 curbside model, but it won't fit every 3445 02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:33,440 city, every service area, the canyons. 3446 02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:35,160 And so, it won't be a one-size-fits-all. 3447 02:15:35,160 --> 02:15:37,160 So, what is really the the best route 3448 02:15:37,160 --> 02:15:39,600 forward and what steps is part of that. 3449 02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:40,800 Uh but Renee, Renee, if you go to the 3450 02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:43,440 presentation as the next part on this 3451 02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:45,480 particular discussion item, 3452 02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:48,000 uh but it kind of go over some of those 3453 02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:50,080 uh items as well. 3454 02:15:50,080 --> 02:15:52,800 And also highlight what we're doing 3455 02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:56,240 this year. So, if we can talk to page 76 3456 02:15:56,240 --> 02:15:59,350 of the board packet. 3457 02:15:59,360 --> 02:16:01,440 Uh I can get there. I think everyone um 3458 02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:04,760 is is aware that this year we really uh 3459 02:16:04,760 --> 02:16:06,960 you know, the the purpose was to ramp up 3460 02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:08,280 our 3461 02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:11,240 capacity to better meet service demand. 3462 02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:13,920 And we certainly are doing that and 3463 02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:17,400 that's exactly um what we've been doing 3464 02:16:17,400 --> 02:16:20,640 as we planned for for the scrap season. 3465 02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:23,720 Uh this is also predicated uh that late 3466 02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:26,120 last year, the board 3467 02:16:26,120 --> 02:16:30,160 provided direction to uh suspend the 3468 02:16:30,160 --> 02:16:31,880 trailer 3469 02:16:31,880 --> 02:16:34,200 rental fee-based program along with the 3470 02:16:34,200 --> 02:16:35,200 scrap 3471 02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:38,040 uh fee-based program which was outside 3472 02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:40,320 of of of the scrap season. So, this year 3473 02:16:40,320 --> 02:16:42,240 we budgeted for 3474 02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:44,559 12 seasonal drivers plus two permanent 3475 02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:46,040 drivers 3476 02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:50,120 with a goal of servicing no less than 72 3477 02:16:50,120 --> 02:16:51,800 containers per day. 3478 02:16:51,800 --> 02:16:54,240 Uh historically, we've averaged about 60 3479 02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:56,360 containers per day in past scrap 3480 02:16:56,360 --> 02:16:57,639 seasons. 3481 02:16:57,639 --> 02:16:59,200 And my understanding, the goal of the 3482 02:16:59,200 --> 02:17:02,519 organization uh has been historically is 3483 02:17:02,519 --> 02:17:05,280 to provide uh 10% 3484 02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:07,160 of all households served by the 3485 02:17:07,160 --> 02:17:08,920 districts 3486 02:17:08,920 --> 02:17:10,880 throughout each each various city and 3487 02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:15,040 service area, but 10% per year. 3488 02:17:15,040 --> 02:17:17,200 And in the past years, we've been I 3489 02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:20,280 think last year in 2015, it was about 9% 3490 02:17:20,280 --> 02:17:23,080 of total households serviced. And so, 3491 02:17:23,080 --> 02:17:25,719 this year uh we've we've certainly uh 3492 02:17:25,719 --> 02:17:28,120 ramped that up significantly. 3493 02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:29,800 And so, if you go to the next slide, 3494 02:17:29,800 --> 02:17:31,480 please, Renee. 3495 02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:34,000 Um and this is just a a example as a 3496 02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:35,599 model as to what we're doing. So, this 3497 02:17:35,599 --> 02:17:36,719 year 3498 02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:39,440 we have, as we've done in the past, dif- 3499 02:17:39,440 --> 02:17:42,120 different zones depending on the number 3500 02:17:42,120 --> 02:17:44,440 of parcels, uh number of residents, 3501 02:17:44,440 --> 02:17:46,880 households, etc. per service area. So, 3502 02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:48,000 this is just an example for for the 3503 02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:50,639 Holiday and Murray combined scrap 3504 02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:52,280 service area zone. So, we have three 3505 02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:55,000 zones. Each of those zones gets a 3506 02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:56,679 postcard that's mailed on a specific 3507 02:17:56,679 --> 02:17:57,679 date. 3508 02:17:57,679 --> 02:17:59,360 Uh and those those zones are tied to 3509 02:17:59,360 --> 02:18:01,519 specific collection days 3510 02:18:01,519 --> 02:18:03,639 uh that are grouped by proximity to 3511 02:18:03,639 --> 02:18:05,679 maximize efficiency 3512 02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:07,559 uh and to maximize the serviceability 3513 02:18:07,559 --> 02:18:09,639 and volume. So, uh from there, we do 3514 02:18:09,639 --> 02:18:11,960 have the reservations, of course, with 3515 02:18:11,960 --> 02:18:13,920 the early bird and the general access 3516 02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,679 that we discussed. 3517 02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:18,400 Uh and then, the actual service dates 3518 02:18:18,400 --> 02:18:20,320 for it. So, it's 3519 02:18:20,320 --> 02:18:22,440 one time per year. If you miss it one 3520 02:18:22,440 --> 02:18:24,360 time a year, you're you're out of luck 3521 02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:27,080 and you have to wait till next year. 3522 02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:29,160 Uh or you can actually uh sign up for 3523 02:18:29,160 --> 02:18:30,960 the the special flexibility for green 3524 02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:34,240 bin or whatever. So, as part of 3525 02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:35,760 this slide and for all of our service 3526 02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:37,120 areas, 3527 02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:39,120 so in past years, we were having about 3528 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:42,360 65 containers a day reservations that 3529 02:18:42,360 --> 02:18:43,840 you can accept. 3530 02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:44,960 Um and there were some for for a 3531 02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:47,639 waitlist. This year, we have for each 3532 02:18:47,639 --> 02:18:50,000 zone, for each day, 3533 02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:52,160 we are allowing up to 75 container 3534 02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:54,440 reservations per day for the online 3535 02:18:54,440 --> 02:18:59,559 requests. And this is specific to to the the valley communities, not 3536 02:18:59,559 --> 02:19:00,800 necessarily the canyons. We'll talk 3537 02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:02,160 about that here a little bit later as 3538 02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:04,480 well. We've optimized early bird 3539 02:19:04,480 --> 02:19:07,240 programs open at 8:00 a.m. as opposed to 3540 02:19:07,240 --> 02:19:09,200 midnight. We're leaving this open. We're 3541 02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:11,639 working out some kinks and continuing 3542 02:19:11,639 --> 02:19:13,719 to maximize and optimize the online 3543 02:19:13,719 --> 02:19:16,000 reservation process. 3544 02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:17,280 So, that 3545 02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:18,240 I'm going to skip ahead a little bit, if 3546 02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:19,679 that's okay. 3547 02:19:19,679 --> 02:19:21,639 Those dates are kind of tied to that. 3548 02:19:21,639 --> 02:19:24,639 So, to optimize uh 3549 02:19:24,639 --> 02:19:26,400 the ease of use and and the way that 3550 02:19:26,400 --> 02:19:28,880 we're managing this program throughout 3551 02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:30,200 the year, which is an important aspect 3552 02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:32,120 of this. So, this slide is showing our 3553 02:19:32,120 --> 02:19:34,719 performance year-to-date. 3554 02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:36,639 So, we've actually exceeded the 72 3555 02:19:36,639 --> 02:19:39,160 containers per day. So, we started with 3556 02:19:39,160 --> 02:19:41,200 Cottonwood Heights this year. 3557 02:19:41,200 --> 02:19:43,880 And the left-hand table there is showing 3558 02:19:43,880 --> 02:19:45,360 how many containers we've serviced per 3559 02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:47,320 day since the program started up through 3560 02:19:47,320 --> 02:19:50,000 April 22nd. Uh so, we're averaging 3561 02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:53,160 actually over 76 containers per day. Uh 3562 02:19:53,160 --> 02:19:55,000 we've we've really strategized on our 3563 02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:56,480 recruitment and retention for our 3564 02:19:56,480 --> 02:19:58,960 seasonal drivers, uh which is actually 3565 02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:01,480 going quite well. Let me just do that. 3566 02:20:01,480 --> 02:20:03,240 Um 3567 02:20:03,240 --> 02:20:04,720 And we're we're we're optimistic that we 3568 02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:07,280 can continue to maximize uh these 3569 02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:08,640 drivers with some of the strategies that 3570 02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:10,760 we've that we've implemented this year. 3571 02:20:10,760 --> 02:20:13,240 And then the other thing that we've done 3572 02:20:13,240 --> 02:20:16,320 uh and so So, one first and foremost, we 3573 02:20:16,320 --> 02:20:17,480 have 3574 02:20:17,480 --> 02:20:20,400 ex- expanded our services. 3575 02:20:20,400 --> 02:20:21,760 And compared to past years, at least 3576 02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:24,040 this year thus far, we we are servicing 3577 02:20:24,040 --> 02:20:26,920 25% more than we have been in the past 3578 02:20:26,920 --> 02:20:28,160 several years. 3579 02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:29,960 Based on these current numbers of those 3580 02:20:29,960 --> 02:20:31,800 daily deliveries of service department 3581 02:20:31,800 --> 02:20:33,120 containers. 3582 02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:34,360 The other thing we're doing is we're 3583 02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:36,680 actually we started some 3584 02:20:36,680 --> 02:20:40,000 uh interim bulk loading. So, before we 3585 02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:41,360 talked about this, these these 3586 02:20:41,360 --> 02:20:44,080 containers have to be individually hauled to a transfer 3587 02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:45,840 station and back. So, there's a 3588 02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:48,600 significant travel time, fuel time, 3589 02:20:48,600 --> 02:20:51,560 driver time, and so on on these. So, we 3590 02:20:51,560 --> 02:20:53,360 started to actually for for some of our 3591 02:20:53,360 --> 02:20:55,200 communities this year 3592 02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:56,800 have brought these containers to 3593 02:20:56,800 --> 02:21:00,120 centrally based locations 3594 02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:01,360 where we're actually tipping those 3595 02:21:01,360 --> 02:21:05,560 containers onto a impermeable surface. 3596 02:21:05,560 --> 02:21:08,600 And we rented a a small hydraulically 3597 02:21:08,600 --> 02:21:11,080 operated skid steer that is 3598 02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:12,920 loading out picking them up here from 3599 02:21:12,920 --> 02:21:14,360 the ground, loading those into a rear 3600 02:21:14,360 --> 02:21:16,080 load truck. 3601 02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:18,800 And so, what we've seen on that and what 3602 02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:20,400 this chart shows in the upper right-hand 3603 02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:21,560 corner is that we 3604 02:21:21,560 --> 02:21:24,480 are approaching now about 2/3 of the 3605 02:21:24,480 --> 02:21:28,760 containers we're bulk loading into these rear load trucks. And in some 3606 02:21:28,760 --> 02:21:31,120 cases, we've actually been able to fit 3607 02:21:31,120 --> 02:21:37,280 uh 12 and even up to 14 individual containers into one truckload 3608 02:21:37,280 --> 02:21:38,640 that then subsequently go into a 3609 02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:40,480 transfer facility. 3610 02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:42,240 So, so thereby maximizing our 3611 02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:44,000 efficiencies and only have the person to 3612 02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,640 have an operator for the skid steer and 3613 02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:49,040 an operator for the the rear load truck. 3614 02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:50,600 Uh what we've seen, if you look at the 3615 02:21:50,600 --> 02:21:52,880 bottom right-hand portion of this, I 3616 02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:53,800 should have written the numbers. And 3617 02:21:53,800 --> 02:21:56,200 David's working on some really um great 3618 02:21:56,200 --> 02:21:58,800 ongoing metrics we can track, but our 3619 02:21:58,800 --> 02:22:00,840 cost per our cost per ton, but also our 3620 02:22:00,840 --> 02:22:02,720 tons per load 3621 02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:04,120 uh tons per load has has increased 3622 02:22:04,120 --> 02:22:05,720 substantially. 3623 02:22:05,720 --> 02:22:07,680 Our cost per ton is actually going down. 3624 02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:09,120 And that will actually help us in some 3625 02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:10,840 cases when we're hauling to the 3626 02:22:10,840 --> 02:22:15,280 Trans-Jordan landfill and we're able to to service this way cuz Trans-Jordan 3627 02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:17,600 has a minimum 1-ton charge. So, if we if 3628 02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:19,560 we haul less than a ton, then we get 3629 02:22:19,560 --> 02:22:21,040 charged the full amount. So, our cost 3630 02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:23,200 per ton is minimized eventually. So, 3631 02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:24,440 point of this slide is that we are 3632 02:22:24,440 --> 02:22:27,000 actually doing quite well this year thus 3633 02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:29,960 far. Program started April 6th. 3634 02:22:29,960 --> 02:22:32,760 Um and we continue to service uh beyond 3635 02:22:32,760 --> 02:22:33,960 our minimum 3636 02:22:33,960 --> 02:22:35,920 goal of 72 containers per day. I'll 3637 02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:38,320 pause. Any questions? 3638 02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:42,750 Comments? Concerns? 3639 02:22:42,760 --> 02:22:44,760 One thing as part of these central bulk 3640 02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:46,560 loading is that 3641 02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:50,000 um there's not a lot of places to do it. 3642 02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:52,560 Most cases, they're publicly accessible 3643 02:22:52,560 --> 02:22:54,240 and some of those are are in various 3644 02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:55,520 parks. 3645 02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:57,400 Um so, we did work a little bit in 3646 02:22:57,400 --> 02:22:58,920 Tanner Park in Cottonwood Heights. And 3647 02:22:58,920 --> 02:23:01,280 we're actually at one of the salt piles 3648 02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:02,440 currently. And then we've actually 3649 02:23:02,440 --> 02:23:03,840 worked with 3650 02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:06,320 uh White City and MSD and Salt Lake 3651 02:23:06,320 --> 02:23:08,480 County Parks and Rec. So, when we start 3652 02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:11,520 servicing White City and uh next week, 3653 02:23:11,520 --> 02:23:13,520 uh we'll be using Big Bear Park to 3654 02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:15,560 central bulk load these materials this 3655 02:23:15,560 --> 02:23:16,600 spring. 3656 02:23:16,600 --> 02:23:18,160 So, we may be looking to pursue this 3657 02:23:18,160 --> 02:23:19,640 once we actually move from there. We'll 3658 02:23:19,640 --> 02:23:20,720 be down in 3659 02:23:20,720 --> 02:23:23,000 Everything goes in a clockwise fashion. 3660 02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:25,880 So, from Sandy, White City, then we head 3661 02:23:25,880 --> 02:23:27,960 down in Herriman, and Copperton, and up 3662 02:23:27,960 --> 02:23:29,320 to Magna, 3663 02:23:29,320 --> 02:23:32,600 then Kearns, then Riverton, then Oakley, 3664 02:23:32,600 --> 02:23:35,360 etc. So, we we rotate through. 3665 02:23:35,360 --> 02:23:36,640 Uh but we may be seeking some other 3666 02:23:36,640 --> 02:23:39,120 central bulk loading areas uh as part of 3667 02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:41,280 these as well. But the other thing that 3668 02:23:41,280 --> 02:23:42,320 we're planning to do, and I have an 3669 02:23:42,320 --> 02:23:44,040 example for pretty much every one of 3670 02:23:44,040 --> 02:23:45,680 these other cities, 3671 02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:49,440 uh and and again, we're maximizing our our throughput, our serviceability, 3672 02:23:49,440 --> 02:23:50,880 our tonnages for Cottonwood Heights, 3673 02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:52,680 which you've seen the same for White 3674 02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:54,880 City and Sandy. Uh Herriman and 3675 02:23:54,880 --> 02:23:58,560 Copperton are so close to the landfill 3676 02:23:58,560 --> 02:23:59,720 uh that we feel like we can still meet 3677 02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:01,760 these services services without having 3678 02:24:01,760 --> 02:24:04,320 to uh supplement them with with other 3679 02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:06,520 types of services. So, Copperton should 3680 02:24:06,520 --> 02:24:09,440 be getting uh like 72 plus containers 3681 02:24:09,440 --> 02:24:12,080 per day as well at a minimum. 3682 02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:13,720 We also are seeing some of our service 3683 02:24:13,720 --> 02:24:15,360 areas that 3684 02:24:15,360 --> 02:24:18,000 we've never really been able to meet or 3685 02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:19,840 uh the needs for bulk waste removal. So, 3686 02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:22,000 we're we're looking at some 3687 02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:24,360 limited one-time, at least for this 3688 02:24:24,360 --> 02:24:25,760 year, uh 3689 02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:29,120 supplemental public drop-off events for 3690 02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:31,320 bulky waste. 3691 02:24:31,320 --> 02:24:35,360 And so, for we've we're planning these 3692 02:24:35,360 --> 02:24:37,080 somewhat last minute. A lot of this is 3693 02:24:37,080 --> 02:24:38,800 just really we're 3694 02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:39,920 um 3695 02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:41,040 doing everything that and everything we 3696 02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:44,120 can to maximize our serviceability this 3697 02:24:44,120 --> 02:24:45,160 year 3698 02:24:45,160 --> 02:24:48,680 to better meet service demands. Um 3699 02:24:48,680 --> 02:24:50,120 With some of the changes though, that 3700 02:24:50,120 --> 02:24:52,040 the canyons are kind of being limited in 3701 02:24:52,040 --> 02:24:54,120 the services, which is what we need to 3702 02:24:54,120 --> 02:24:55,600 discuss a little bit as part of this 3703 02:24:55,600 --> 02:24:57,360 program today. 3704 02:24:57,360 --> 02:25:00,320 Uh but for for Magna, for Kearns, 3705 02:25:00,320 --> 02:25:02,520 Riverton, South Jordan, and other ones, 3706 02:25:02,520 --> 02:25:04,920 we're we're basing these off of 3707 02:25:04,920 --> 02:25:07,040 uh the middle of the the zone two for 3708 02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:09,040 these service areas. 3709 02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:11,560 Um and so, the timing is being planned 3710 02:25:11,560 --> 02:25:13,280 based on on those those particular 3711 02:25:13,280 --> 02:25:15,200 service area sizes. So, say at this one, 3712 02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:16,800 if you don't mind me. 3713 02:25:16,800 --> 02:25:21,240 So, this is kind of the model that we're looking at. So, we've we've worked 3714 02:25:21,240 --> 02:25:23,240 with Salt Lake County Parks and Rec. 3715 02:25:23,240 --> 02:25:24,840 We've received their permission. I've 3716 02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:27,080 been in communication with a lot of our 3717 02:25:27,080 --> 02:25:29,360 partner cities. I recently presented to 3718 02:25:29,360 --> 02:25:31,680 the to the respective councils, and 3719 02:25:31,680 --> 02:25:33,040 they've been in support of these. And 3720 02:25:33,040 --> 02:25:34,360 I've also been sharing this information 3721 02:25:34,360 --> 02:25:35,960 with board members. 3722 02:25:35,960 --> 02:25:37,360 And so, what we're doing is based on 3723 02:25:37,360 --> 02:25:40,120 those those three days of of work we're 3724 02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:41,720 staffed 3725 02:25:41,720 --> 02:25:44,560 public drop-off events, we've identified 3726 02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:47,360 location, logistics planning, uh and 3727 02:25:47,360 --> 02:25:48,760 we're we're planning to have those on a 3728 02:25:48,760 --> 02:25:50,280 Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. So, it's 3729 02:25:50,280 --> 02:25:52,160 our three days of the week 3730 02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:54,560 from 8:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. 3731 02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:56,200 And these will be will be largely 3732 02:25:56,200 --> 02:25:58,800 managed through a online reservation 3733 02:25:58,800 --> 02:26:01,320 system that will actually be The 3734 02:26:01,320 --> 02:26:02,520 information will be included on our 3735 02:26:02,520 --> 02:26:04,720 future postcards that we send out. It'll 3736 02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:06,080 be on our website. We're working on some 3737 02:26:06,080 --> 02:26:08,840 advertising for this as well. Uh but 3738 02:26:08,840 --> 02:26:10,800 we're looking to allocate So, each of 3739 02:26:10,800 --> 02:26:13,760 those three days has 6 hours. 3740 02:26:13,760 --> 02:26:15,440 We're looking to allocate up to 30 3741 02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:17,920 residential loads per hour. 3742 02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:20,480 So, basically a vehicle every every 2 3743 02:26:20,480 --> 02:26:22,480 minutes coming through. But those 3744 02:26:22,480 --> 02:26:25,160 staffing um the residents will likely 3745 02:26:25,160 --> 02:26:27,160 have to unload those materials 3746 02:26:27,160 --> 02:26:29,080 themselves. So, we eliminate building 3747 02:26:29,080 --> 02:26:32,560 damages, etc. But our team will be 3748 02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:34,400 loading those into various other 3749 02:26:34,400 --> 02:26:35,840 containers, loading these rear load 3750 02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:37,840 trucks, and hauling those off on 3751 02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:39,760 rotation. So, the way we're going to 3752 02:26:39,760 --> 02:26:41,080 spread out and make sure this is 3753 02:26:41,080 --> 02:26:43,040 equitable for these these these cities 3754 02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:45,040 these these areas this year 3755 02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:50,240 is that So, first and foremost, when a general access zone opens, zone 3756 02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:52,240 one, two, or three, 3757 02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,080 this will also open for that that 3758 02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:55,680 respective zone. 3759 02:26:55,680 --> 02:26:58,160 And so, each zone, so so zone one for 3760 02:26:58,160 --> 02:27:00,040 example opens up, 3761 02:27:00,040 --> 02:27:04,200 let's say on April 30th. Um 3762 02:27:04,200 --> 02:27:07,240 that zone will be allocated to fill in 3763 02:27:07,240 --> 02:27:11,120 up to 10 reservations per hour, 10 of 3764 02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:12,880 those 30 time slots cuz there's 3765 02:27:12,880 --> 02:27:14,880 typically three zones 3766 02:27:14,880 --> 02:27:17,440 uh in these areas. So, 3767 02:27:17,440 --> 02:27:18,880 hopefully I'm explaining this well, but 3768 02:27:18,880 --> 02:27:20,560 those those will open up based on 3769 02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:22,000 general access. So, early bird will get 3770 02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:23,520 the container. 3771 02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:24,400 General access [clears throat] will get 3772 02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:26,320 the container if there's availability, 3773 02:27:26,320 --> 02:27:28,480 but they'll also be um 3774 02:27:28,480 --> 02:27:30,720 early bird and general access given the 3775 02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:32,680 option to sign up for the self-haul 3776 02:27:32,680 --> 02:27:35,840 public drop-off at these events as well. 3777 02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:37,840 And so, this is intended to just be, you 3778 02:27:37,840 --> 02:27:39,480 know, this year 3779 02:27:39,480 --> 02:27:41,640 uh to where we can can plan this, staff 3780 02:27:41,640 --> 02:27:43,920 to staff it effectively, have enough 3781 02:27:43,920 --> 02:27:46,760 time to safely execute this, and to 3782 02:27:46,760 --> 02:27:49,800 ensure that residents are aware of 3783 02:27:49,800 --> 02:27:52,440 uh the times and 3784 02:27:52,440 --> 02:27:54,680 limitations of what can be brought or 3785 02:27:54,680 --> 02:27:56,160 cannot be brought. We're cleaning these 3786 02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:58,520 areas up on a daily basis. 3787 02:27:58,520 --> 02:28:00,760 Uh this is what we've done this year to 3788 02:28:00,760 --> 02:28:03,720 really try to supplement um the 3789 02:28:03,720 --> 02:28:06,960 additional communities that that require 3790 02:28:06,960 --> 02:28:09,360 or have asked for uh on a lot of 3791 02:28:09,360 --> 02:28:11,800 occasions additional services for their 3792 02:28:11,800 --> 02:28:14,040 bulk waste. And so, we didn't plan it 3793 02:28:14,040 --> 02:28:17,440 for Cottonwood or White City, Sandy uh 3794 02:28:17,440 --> 02:28:19,760 for for predominantly is is based on the 3795 02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:21,280 timing. We just haven't had time to 3796 02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:23,280 really push those out. 3797 02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:25,560 Uh but I think we're seeing the 25% 3798 02:28:25,560 --> 02:28:28,480 increase in the containers per day 3799 02:28:28,480 --> 02:28:29,840 should offset that. And I think we 3800 02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:31,680 actually were calling 3801 02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:33,720 residents for Cottonwood Heights because 3802 02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:35,240 there if there was still reservation 3803 02:28:35,240 --> 02:28:37,280 slots that were not actually 3804 02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:39,320 um filled filled up. We actually offered 3805 02:28:39,320 --> 02:28:41,040 more than we needed. 3806 02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:42,360 So, we actually had to reach out and 3807 02:28:42,360 --> 02:28:44,480 request that they if they wanted them. 3808 02:28:44,480 --> 02:28:46,120 So, I have. 3809 02:28:46,120 --> 02:28:48,040 Uh so so again, the the whole intent was 3810 02:28:48,040 --> 02:28:50,640 to maximize our services this year 3811 02:28:50,640 --> 02:28:53,040 better meet the needs and work on these 3812 02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:55,480 supplemental offerings this year 3813 02:28:55,480 --> 02:28:59,510 as a result of our operations. 3814 02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:01,800 Questions, comments about what I've 3815 02:29:01,800 --> 02:29:04,360 discussed thus far? Impressed you put 3816 02:29:04,360 --> 02:29:05,920 probably something together within the 3817 02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:07,560 last 6 months. 3818 02:29:07,560 --> 02:29:10,800 Who knows? If Yeah. 3819 02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:12,520 Good job. Thank you. 3820 02:29:12,520 --> 02:29:13,600 So we're going to go and let's talk 3821 02:29:13,600 --> 02:29:17,760 about the canyons next and then we'll continue on to uh Can I ask you 3822 02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:18,520 one quick question? 3823 02:29:18,520 --> 02:29:20,720 >> Yes, so how big are the containers? 3824 02:29:20,720 --> 02:29:25,160 They are 14 yd the scrap containers. 3825 02:29:25,160 --> 02:29:28,230 Uh, but just so we're clear 3826 02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:30,960 How many lines one container 3827 02:29:30,960 --> 02:29:34,320 per resolution? If they fill this up 3828 02:29:34,320 --> 02:29:36,440 Not in most cases. 3829 02:29:36,440 --> 02:29:38,360 In past years 3830 02:29:38,360 --> 02:29:42,440 we were hauling on average I think the entire year 425 3831 02:29:42,440 --> 02:29:45,720 the tons per container was 0.79. 3832 02:29:45,720 --> 02:29:48,320 So much less than I thought the capacity 3833 02:29:48,320 --> 02:29:52,670 of the containers. 3834 02:29:52,680 --> 02:29:54,600 Yes, so so this is all a little bit 3835 02:29:54,600 --> 02:29:56,480 different from the past. That leads I 3836 02:29:56,480 --> 02:29:57,960 think to where we want to be next year. 3837 02:29:57,960 --> 02:30:00,080 Very um 3838 02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:03,000 And then the trailers are 18 yd so most 3839 02:30:03,000 --> 02:30:04,800 containers like this in a a larger 3840 02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:06,160 program 3841 02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:09,720 are 20 yd 30 yd 40 yd containers. So 3842 02:30:09,720 --> 02:30:12,160 the trucks that we operate we we lease 3843 02:30:12,160 --> 02:30:14,680 for our solid county but they're only 3844 02:30:14,680 --> 02:30:18,040 able to haul a smaller size. 3845 02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:19,640 14 yd containers. So we don't have the 3846 02:30:19,640 --> 02:30:22,520 capacity to run through containers 40 yd 3847 02:30:22,520 --> 02:30:23,680 containers. So to be able to do like a 3848 02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:24,920 larger 3849 02:30:24,920 --> 02:30:28,120 cleanup event we just don't have those those assets. 3850 02:30:28,120 --> 02:30:30,000 >> to get an idea of the space you have. 3851 02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:32,320 Right. Okay. And then the trailers that 3852 02:30:32,320 --> 02:30:33,800 we we haul 3853 02:30:33,800 --> 02:30:34,720 are 3854 02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:36,920 18 yd those have to be hauled directly 3855 02:30:36,920 --> 02:30:40,440 behind a a truck and set down to pull in 3856 02:30:40,440 --> 02:30:43,120 that trailer as well. So so Emigration 3857 02:30:43,120 --> 02:30:44,400 Canyon and Brighton we have a very 3858 02:30:44,400 --> 02:30:47,080 similar kind of um 3859 02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:48,840 plan this year and I've been working 3860 02:30:48,840 --> 02:30:51,760 with board member Griffith and and Susan 3861 02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:54,720 uh to plan this and so historically 3862 02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:57,440 the canyons were serviced uh throughout 3863 02:30:57,440 --> 02:30:59,880 the entirety of the scrap season 3864 02:30:59,880 --> 02:31:02,480 uh with the goal of of of providing 10% 3865 02:31:02,480 --> 02:31:07,200 of of residents per day and and it was managed that way because we had 3866 02:31:07,200 --> 02:31:09,040 the fee-based trailer program we had the 3867 02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:12,520 fee-based container program which folks 3868 02:31:12,520 --> 02:31:13,920 would sign up for in addition to the 3869 02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:15,640 regular scrap services. So we had a 3870 02:31:15,640 --> 02:31:18,600 year-round operating and providing those 3871 02:31:18,600 --> 02:31:21,240 services we could we could operate that 3872 02:31:21,240 --> 02:31:22,960 uh throughout that 6 months of the scrap 3873 02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:23,960 season. 3874 02:31:23,960 --> 02:31:25,400 So this year we simply shifted those 3875 02:31:25,400 --> 02:31:28,200 resources we have uh more limitations in 3876 02:31:28,200 --> 02:31:30,280 that. And so historically where the 3877 02:31:30,280 --> 02:31:32,280 canyon were given the service 6 months 3878 02:31:32,280 --> 02:31:35,160 out of the year on an intermittent basis 3879 02:31:35,160 --> 02:31:36,920 this year we might identify a specific 3880 02:31:36,920 --> 02:31:38,160 month that we're going to provide those 3881 02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:39,480 services. 3882 02:31:39,480 --> 02:31:41,760 And so for Emigration Canyon the the 3883 02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:45,480 month is essentially the month of May. 3884 02:31:45,480 --> 02:31:47,920 Service dates are May 4th and 29th. Uh 3885 02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:49,560 the charge days are the postcard mailing 3886 02:31:49,560 --> 02:31:52,200 days the website reservation days. 3887 02:31:52,200 --> 02:31:54,040 Uh and so 3888 02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:56,640 historically we were able to leave those 3889 02:31:56,640 --> 02:31:59,160 trailers for a period of multiple days. 3890 02:31:59,160 --> 02:32:00,480 Again these are larger containers these 3891 02:32:00,480 --> 02:32:02,760 are 18 yd opposed to the 14 yd scrap 3892 02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:05,400 container. Uh but now with this plan how 3893 02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:07,200 we're going to shift this is that uh we 3894 02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:10,040 have to remove those similarly to scrap 3895 02:32:10,040 --> 02:32:12,240 the same the the subsequent business day 3896 02:32:12,240 --> 02:32:13,720 the next business day following the 3897 02:32:13,720 --> 02:32:15,160 delivery. 3898 02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:17,280 And so given our our goal of servicing 3899 02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:19,800 10% which uh 3900 02:32:19,800 --> 02:32:22,080 likely you know 3901 02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:23,640 I guess I could I could presume that it 3902 02:32:23,640 --> 02:32:25,960 hasn't been meeting expectations 3903 02:32:25,960 --> 02:32:27,800 for our member cities or our 3904 02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:29,360 member cities. 3905 02:32:29,360 --> 02:32:31,680 We need to increase that but with 10% a 3906 02:32:31,680 --> 02:32:33,240 year we're delivering three containers a 3907 02:32:33,240 --> 02:32:35,480 day for Emigration 3908 02:32:35,480 --> 02:32:37,800 we're we're a little bit below that 10% 3909 02:32:37,800 --> 02:32:40,280 for for this this calendar year. We also 3910 02:32:40,280 --> 02:32:44,080 know that the canyons have uh more trees 3911 02:32:44,080 --> 02:32:46,320 um the mountains there's more of a fire 3912 02:32:46,320 --> 02:32:48,680 mitigation needs there are 3913 02:32:48,680 --> 02:32:50,600 fish and in some cases flood risks for 3914 02:32:50,600 --> 02:32:52,720 them as well. Uh so that's that's a 3915 02:32:52,720 --> 02:32:53,920 place for Emigration and then if you go 3916 02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:55,920 to the next slide please Renee. Brighton 3917 02:32:55,920 --> 02:32:57,680 we looked at and providing a service in 3918 02:32:57,680 --> 02:32:59,640 the month of August. 3919 02:32:59,640 --> 02:33:02,320 Uh so the month of of August will be 3920 02:33:02,320 --> 02:33:05,520 Brighton with the very exact same degree 3921 02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:08,440 of three three trailers per day. We're 3922 02:33:08,440 --> 02:33:10,440 dedicating a driver for this appointment 3923 02:33:10,440 --> 02:33:13,120 off of our scrap program to do this. 3924 02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:15,160 Uh but providing those services outside 3925 02:33:15,160 --> 02:33:18,360 of of these time frames uh we don't have 3926 02:33:18,360 --> 02:33:21,320 staffing or the resources or 3927 02:33:21,320 --> 02:33:23,080 uh in some cases the flexibility or the 3928 02:33:23,080 --> 02:33:25,880 ability to charge with services. So so 3929 02:33:25,880 --> 02:33:27,440 that's how we're how we're 3930 02:33:27,440 --> 02:33:29,960 tackling and kind of attacking this 3931 02:33:29,960 --> 02:33:32,360 year's scrap season uh with a lot of 3932 02:33:32,360 --> 02:33:34,520 enhancements a lot of 3933 02:33:34,520 --> 02:33:36,760 flexibility and and some some uh field 3934 02:33:36,760 --> 02:33:38,560 day adjustments to really hopefully 3935 02:33:38,560 --> 02:33:41,400 maximize our services. Originally we 3936 02:33:41,400 --> 02:33:44,080 talked about Emigration having a similar 3937 02:33:44,080 --> 02:33:46,920 central drop-off event we we haven't 3938 02:33:46,920 --> 02:33:48,640 really found the optimal location for 3939 02:33:48,640 --> 02:33:50,840 that or whether or not the residents 3940 02:33:50,840 --> 02:33:52,760 have the means and methods of doing that 3941 02:33:52,760 --> 02:33:55,440 something we could certainly work on 3942 02:33:55,440 --> 02:33:57,080 uh later this year possibly or or in a 3943 02:33:57,080 --> 02:34:01,440 subsequent year as well but there's still that you know clearly 3944 02:34:01,440 --> 02:34:03,520 there's not a one-size-fits-all. 3945 02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:05,920 And I think board member Holton is still 3946 02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:07,080 talking about having to come up with 3947 02:34:07,080 --> 02:34:09,880 high C driveways some that are up to the 3948 02:34:09,880 --> 02:34:11,720 mountain and so even a curbside model or 3949 02:34:11,720 --> 02:34:14,160 even a container-based model in their 3950 02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:16,680 driveway doesn't fit their needs in some 3951 02:34:16,680 --> 02:34:19,280 cases as well. 3952 02:34:19,280 --> 02:34:21,880 So I'll give you a little pause and uh 3953 02:34:21,880 --> 02:34:23,760 if you have any questions or feedback. 3954 02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:25,040 So I think the next step we're looking 3955 02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:29,000 at next step looking at the pathway. 3956 02:34:29,000 --> 02:34:31,320 But just to confirm this these dates 3957 02:34:31,320 --> 02:34:33,720 this information is all 3958 02:34:33,720 --> 02:34:35,960 planned and we can start Yes. 3959 02:34:35,960 --> 02:34:38,320 sharing it publicly with our councils 3960 02:34:38,320 --> 02:34:40,160 and residents. 3961 02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:41,360 Yep. 3962 02:34:41,360 --> 02:34:43,120 And let me to make adjustments or 3963 02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:44,040 something 3964 02:34:44,040 --> 02:34:46,880 uh for yes we cleared the location with Salt Lake 3965 02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:48,840 County Parks and Rec uh we're actively 3966 02:34:48,840 --> 02:34:51,200 planning for these events. The first 3967 02:34:51,200 --> 02:34:53,320 central drop-off will be in Magna that 3968 02:34:53,320 --> 02:34:55,560 first week of June 2nd through the 4th 3969 02:34:55,560 --> 02:34:56,800 by the following 3970 02:34:56,800 --> 02:35:01,160 So And we're working on a specific city 3971 02:35:01,160 --> 02:35:03,640 as a timing? Yeah we'll be able to send 3972 02:35:03,640 --> 02:35:05,480 and send out the Magna current will be 3973 02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:09,070 next. 3974 02:35:09,080 --> 02:35:17,430 Brighton will start yourself with 3975 02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:19,560 I don't know which one of those two. So 3976 02:35:19,560 --> 02:35:20,800 and then this is also we talked about 3977 02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:24,320 this earlier today already is the 3978 02:35:24,320 --> 02:35:25,520 now 3979 02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:26,440 what we're actually planning to 3980 02:35:26,440 --> 02:35:28,440 implement May 1st and we're actually 3981 02:35:28,440 --> 02:35:29,680 working on on a 3982 02:35:29,680 --> 02:35:32,560 uh easy-to-use online um 3983 02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:34,360 template so you can actually request the 3984 02:35:34,360 --> 02:35:37,880 pickup by commodity type by quantity by 3985 02:35:37,880 --> 02:35:40,840 service area etc. Uh so providing these 3986 02:35:40,840 --> 02:35:43,040 this year-round 3987 02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:46,400 uh specialty collections for tires 3988 02:35:46,400 --> 02:35:48,040 mattresses 3989 02:35:48,040 --> 02:35:50,520 appliances with freon and then regular 3990 02:35:50,520 --> 02:35:53,080 appliances. So hot water heaters washer 3991 02:35:53,080 --> 02:35:56,560 dryers stove top range etc. 3992 02:35:56,560 --> 02:35:58,120 Um all these materials where we're 3993 02:35:58,120 --> 02:36:00,400 actually working out a lot of the plans 3994 02:36:00,400 --> 02:36:03,000 for them. Uh and we're at 3995 02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:04,400 I think we're we're ready we're pretty 3996 02:36:04,400 --> 02:36:06,720 much ready to go with some final pieces 3997 02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:08,800 we're working on a couple contracts. All 3998 02:36:08,800 --> 02:36:10,480 these materials will be ultimately 3999 02:36:10,480 --> 02:36:13,400 recycled to the maximum extent possible. 4000 02:36:13,400 --> 02:36:14,640 Uh we're under contract with the freon 4001 02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:16,600 removal 4002 02:36:16,600 --> 02:36:19,000 uh company to to remove the freon and 4003 02:36:19,000 --> 02:36:20,480 then ultimately those appliances will go 4004 02:36:20,480 --> 02:36:23,120 to a metal scrapyard for recycling. The 4005 02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:24,720 mattresses we're contracting with a 4006 02:36:24,720 --> 02:36:26,680 mattress recycler 4007 02:36:26,680 --> 02:36:28,440 uh and then the tires will go to a 4008 02:36:28,440 --> 02:36:29,880 facility 4009 02:36:29,880 --> 02:36:33,120 um GSL uh recycling. 4010 02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:34,640 Uh we're working on a contract with them 4011 02:36:34,640 --> 02:36:37,120 as well. So we are really excited to 4012 02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:38,760 introduce this program I've just had to 4013 02:36:38,760 --> 02:36:40,240 work out some 4014 02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:42,680 uh some some various uh items so we can 4015 02:36:42,680 --> 02:36:45,040 really implement it 4016 02:36:45,040 --> 02:36:48,000 uh and and see how this program uh 4017 02:36:48,000 --> 02:36:49,184 demands 4018 02:36:49,184 --> 02:36:49,760 >> [snorts] 4019 02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:51,800 >> uh are are are met. 4020 02:36:51,800 --> 02:36:53,920 Uh and also looking at 4021 02:36:53,920 --> 02:36:55,400 for next year one thing we might be 4022 02:36:55,400 --> 02:36:57,840 wanting to add to this program. Uh we're 4023 02:36:57,840 --> 02:37:00,480 already hearing about hot tubs uh I'm 4024 02:37:00,480 --> 02:37:02,200 sure people you know what else for big 4025 02:37:02,200 --> 02:37:04,320 screen TVs and you remove 4026 02:37:04,320 --> 02:37:06,680 that as well. So this this is not going 4027 02:37:06,680 --> 02:37:08,040 to be a a giant truck coming down the 4028 02:37:08,040 --> 02:37:10,360 street like the regular trash truck. 4029 02:37:10,360 --> 02:37:12,200 We're actually using our container and 4030 02:37:12,200 --> 02:37:13,720 then team 4031 02:37:13,720 --> 02:37:15,280 uh to schedule these pickups cuz right 4032 02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:17,160 now we're planning to schedule those 4033 02:37:17,160 --> 02:37:20,920 weekly on Thursdays depending on where those locations are at. So it'll 4034 02:37:20,920 --> 02:37:23,000 be a smaller truck where we come and 4035 02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:25,680 collect these bring them back to our our 4036 02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:28,680 yard and centrally stage those until we 4037 02:37:28,680 --> 02:37:30,760 have a full container and then haul them 4038 02:37:30,760 --> 02:37:33,160 to those recycling facilities. So we're 4039 02:37:33,160 --> 02:37:37,200 again maximizing efficiencies and not wasting a lot of time taking 4040 02:37:37,200 --> 02:37:39,040 individual trips. 4041 02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:41,280 The same thing. I've had two mattresses 4042 02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:44,190 in a box spring. 4043 02:37:44,200 --> 02:37:46,360 Well one thing we also there's another 4044 02:37:46,360 --> 02:37:48,200 flyer we have two flyers and we're 4045 02:37:48,200 --> 02:37:49,880 actually doing some Facebook posts this 4046 02:37:49,880 --> 02:37:51,880 week um really getting the word out on 4047 02:37:51,880 --> 02:37:52,840 this. 4048 02:37:52,840 --> 02:37:54,160 Uh 4049 02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:56,600 mattresses we we've done some research 4050 02:37:56,600 --> 02:38:00,520 and we have uh heard concerns from our staff and we are already asking that 4051 02:38:00,520 --> 02:38:01,720 they go back home 4052 02:38:01,720 --> 02:38:03,480 at at at go. 4053 02:38:03,480 --> 02:38:05,000 Maybe a little bit of a hindrance. We're 4054 02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:07,560 going to look at maybe if we can buy 4055 02:38:07,560 --> 02:38:09,840 bulk mattress bags and maybe when 4056 02:38:09,840 --> 02:38:12,080 there's a request come in if our team is 4057 02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:14,640 in the area servicing a bin it could be 4058 02:38:14,640 --> 02:38:15,960 like uh you ever played like the 4059 02:38:15,960 --> 02:38:18,240 newspaper video game with the newspaper 4060 02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:19,600 after you leave? 4061 02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:21,120 Something they used to have um in 4062 02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:23,480 communities. But maybe we can even offer 4063 02:38:23,480 --> 02:38:25,960 to deliver the bag 4064 02:38:25,960 --> 02:38:27,960 so the resident can put it in a bag as 4065 02:38:27,960 --> 02:38:29,680 well or they have to pay for it. How big 4066 02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:30,840 are the bags? Is that something where 4067 02:38:30,840 --> 02:38:33,000 you just mail them? 4068 02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:35,240 I've got custom small. Curious. Well 4069 02:38:35,240 --> 02:38:37,840 they're twin size full size queen and 4070 02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:42,680 right? So but mattress size you have the 4071 02:38:42,680 --> 02:38:44,520 Um Yeah that's something we'll go over 4072 02:38:44,520 --> 02:38:46,480 with the flyer. I've heard when you just 4073 02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:48,200 get rid of an old mattress when you 4074 02:38:48,200 --> 02:38:50,400 bought it, it's like there's like 7 lb 4075 02:38:50,400 --> 02:38:59,750 added to it of like skin cells and also 4076 02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:06,390 Yes, so 4077 02:39:06,400 --> 02:39:09,760 You may not look at this next year 4078 02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:11,920 But but but these were 4079 02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:13,520 included in your offensive to incur a 4080 02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:15,680 full cost recovery 4081 02:39:15,680 --> 02:39:17,720 and and our administrative costs for 4082 02:39:17,720 --> 02:39:19,840 handling materials. 4083 02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:21,160 Uh you know, you can take these 4084 02:39:21,160 --> 02:39:24,280 materials directly to a landfill or Salt 4085 02:39:24,280 --> 02:39:26,120 Lake County for example, 4086 02:39:26,120 --> 02:39:27,600 they'll probably charge you 4087 02:39:27,600 --> 02:39:29,440 a few dollars less. 4088 02:39:29,440 --> 02:39:31,160 Transferring the tire and rate is four 4089 02:39:31,160 --> 02:39:32,480 bucks. 4090 02:39:32,480 --> 02:39:34,280 So this is including our administrative 4091 02:39:34,280 --> 02:39:35,600 means. 4092 02:39:35,600 --> 02:39:37,840 Right. And so 4093 02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:38,720 Yeah. 4094 02:39:38,720 --> 02:39:41,200 And so if we can uh 4095 02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:43,360 provide the bags or obstacles tossed 4096 02:39:43,360 --> 02:39:45,040 that won't fit in the section, you know, 4097 02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:47,280 we will have to adjust that, but 4098 02:39:47,280 --> 02:39:48,960 we're looking at how to how to kind of 4099 02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:51,600 handle the the bag and mattress issues 4100 02:39:51,600 --> 02:39:56,790 as well. 4101 02:39:56,800 --> 02:39:58,560 So that's all of what we're doing this 4102 02:39:58,560 --> 02:40:00,640 year, which which I 4103 02:40:00,640 --> 02:40:02,520 as former board member Barry mentioned 4104 02:40:02,520 --> 02:40:03,400 is 4105 02:40:03,400 --> 02:40:04,800 a lot in a short period of time. So 4106 02:40:04,800 --> 02:40:06,200 we've made a lot of adjustments, a lot 4107 02:40:06,200 --> 02:40:08,680 of enhancements, uh new services that 4108 02:40:08,680 --> 02:40:10,120 we're we're quite 4109 02:40:10,120 --> 02:40:12,600 uh excited to to bring forward. And I 4110 02:40:12,600 --> 02:40:14,440 just I just want to remind folks here on 4111 02:40:14,440 --> 02:40:16,880 this very top part of this slide here is 4112 02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:18,960 that part of the and Renee mentioned 4113 02:40:18,960 --> 02:40:20,560 this a little bit, the the bulky waste 4114 02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:21,840 comparison. 4115 02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:24,960 So the non-container based programs, 4116 02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:26,240 they do not accept a variety of 4117 02:40:26,240 --> 02:40:27,600 materials that we are currently 4118 02:40:27,600 --> 02:40:30,520 accepting in the scrap code. So that's 4119 02:40:30,520 --> 02:40:33,360 mostly construction debris, 4120 02:40:33,360 --> 02:40:35,000 uh but it's also the heavy material, the 4121 02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:38,360 rocks, the dirt, sod, asphalt shingles, 4122 02:40:38,360 --> 02:40:40,640 uh kitchen remodels, granite 4123 02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:42,560 countertops, all those things that 4124 02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:44,280 aren't really acceptable from a curbside 4125 02:40:44,280 --> 02:40:46,640 perspective. Uh and this is I think 4126 02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:47,480 where there's some gaps and 4127 02:40:47,480 --> 02:40:50,000 opportunities to provide possibly in the 4128 02:40:50,000 --> 02:40:51,440 future a 4129 02:40:51,440 --> 02:40:53,320 uh reinstated a fee-based service if we 4130 02:40:53,320 --> 02:40:54,920 go to a curbside model. So I just wanted 4131 02:40:54,920 --> 02:40:56,520 to point that out because based on our 4132 02:40:56,520 --> 02:40:58,840 container program, uh we would not be 4133 02:40:58,840 --> 02:41:00,760 able to accept those items curbside. 4134 02:41:00,760 --> 02:41:03,040 They'd be way too difficult to handle, 4135 02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:06,000 they're super heavy. Um you can't you 4136 02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:08,080 know, load up the dirt into different 4137 02:41:08,080 --> 02:41:09,920 containers like this as well, too. So 4138 02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:10,640 there's 4139 02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:13,120 some variability in in that. Uh but also 4140 02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:15,680 curbside, there's other risks. So uh 4141 02:41:15,680 --> 02:41:18,200 plate glass, mirrors for example, uh 4142 02:41:18,200 --> 02:41:20,080 come to mind. So those would not be 4143 02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:21,680 acceptable materials that would really 4144 02:41:21,680 --> 02:41:24,160 cost you to construction debris type 4145 02:41:24,160 --> 02:41:25,880 thing in a curb. 4146 02:41:25,880 --> 02:41:29,400 So if you go to the next slide, Renee, 4147 02:41:29,400 --> 02:41:31,160 we've largely talked about this as what 4148 02:41:31,160 --> 02:41:33,080 we're considering for next year is going 4149 02:41:33,080 --> 02:41:34,200 to this 4150 02:41:34,200 --> 02:41:35,160 uh 4151 02:41:35,160 --> 02:41:36,960 predominantly curbside bulky waste 4152 02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:39,880 model, uh which would be managed by kind 4153 02:41:39,880 --> 02:41:42,400 of what's shown in in those pictures. So 4154 02:41:42,400 --> 02:41:43,440 uh 4155 02:41:43,440 --> 02:41:45,080 so that's that's kind of a a smaller 4156 02:41:45,080 --> 02:41:47,200 front end loader 4157 02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:50,040 with a bucket and a a claw or grapples 4158 02:41:50,040 --> 02:41:52,600 to grab materials on the top picture, 4159 02:41:52,600 --> 02:41:53,800 and then the bottom would be loading 4160 02:41:53,800 --> 02:41:56,360 into those those rear load trucks. So 4161 02:41:56,360 --> 02:41:58,680 we've already talked about uh how we'd 4162 02:41:58,680 --> 02:42:01,480 be able to get 12 and some cases 14 4163 02:42:01,480 --> 02:42:03,840 individual scrap containers, obviously 4164 02:42:03,840 --> 02:42:05,880 they're not full, but into a single rear 4165 02:42:05,880 --> 02:42:07,560 load truck. And so we can probably even 4166 02:42:07,560 --> 02:42:09,920 pack more in some cases depending 4167 02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:11,680 density and the composition of the 4168 02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:15,000 material as as well. And so so this 4169 02:42:15,000 --> 02:42:17,640 would in essence 4170 02:42:17,640 --> 02:42:19,640 really help to maximize our ability to 4171 02:42:19,640 --> 02:42:21,880 service. There's of course concerns, 4172 02:42:21,880 --> 02:42:24,400 restrictions, etc. Um parked cars on the 4173 02:42:24,400 --> 02:42:27,280 side of the street. Um you know, uh the 4174 02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:29,840 storm water concerns are of course part 4175 02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:31,560 of there as well. 4176 02:42:31,560 --> 02:42:34,760 Uh but going to this type of model 4177 02:42:34,760 --> 02:42:36,560 could in essence be done 4178 02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:37,520 uh 4179 02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:39,440 longer than the 6-month scrap season, 4180 02:42:39,440 --> 02:42:41,160 possibly year round. 4181 02:42:41,160 --> 02:42:43,000 Uh it would really eliminate our need to 4182 02:42:43,000 --> 02:42:45,200 rely on seasonal drivers, which right 4183 02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:47,080 now we're we're 4184 02:42:47,080 --> 02:42:48,760 budgeted for 12. 4185 02:42:48,760 --> 02:42:50,240 Uh we've actually overfilled those 4186 02:42:50,240 --> 02:42:51,560 because we're we're underfilling some of 4187 02:42:51,560 --> 02:42:52,920 our permanent driver positions 4188 02:42:52,920 --> 02:42:54,160 currently. 4189 02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:55,120 Um 4190 02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:57,640 it would also eliminate our need to to 4191 02:42:57,640 --> 02:42:59,920 lease the 10-plus hook load trucks that 4192 02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:02,120 we're currently leasing from 4193 02:43:02,120 --> 02:43:03,800 the county, which costs us additional 4194 02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:06,040 money. And it would also reduce that 4195 02:43:06,040 --> 02:43:08,440 corresponding mileage, fuel, repair and 4196 02:43:08,440 --> 02:43:11,040 maintenance costs as part of that. So we 4197 02:43:11,040 --> 02:43:14,960 did uh get board approval to um support 4198 02:43:14,960 --> 02:43:16,560 to to go forward and 4199 02:43:16,560 --> 02:43:18,040 order a new one of those rear load 4200 02:43:18,040 --> 02:43:19,640 trucks that's shown on the bottom of 4201 02:43:19,640 --> 02:43:20,960 this picture, 4202 02:43:20,960 --> 02:43:22,760 uh which should be in next year as well. 4203 02:43:22,760 --> 02:43:25,400 But we'd also want to make sure we had 4204 02:43:25,400 --> 02:43:27,480 support from our partner cities, 4205 02:43:27,480 --> 02:43:28,680 understand how we're going to manage the 4206 02:43:28,680 --> 02:43:30,320 canyon communities as part of this 4207 02:43:30,320 --> 02:43:32,360 program, if it would still be probably a 4208 02:43:32,360 --> 02:43:35,040 trailer or a container based program, 4209 02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:36,760 what that model looks like, and then of 4210 02:43:36,760 --> 02:43:39,160 course a large scale educational 4211 02:43:39,160 --> 02:43:41,200 outreach campaign. 4212 02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:43,280 So if we were to go this method, 4213 02:43:43,280 --> 02:43:45,400 uh you know, my goal would be to provide 4214 02:43:45,400 --> 02:43:47,320 the service no less than twice a year 4215 02:43:47,320 --> 02:43:50,080 for each uh community as opposed to just 4216 02:43:50,080 --> 02:43:51,960 once a year. Uh it would be much more 4217 02:43:51,960 --> 02:43:54,360 structured, be a structured process. It 4218 02:43:54,360 --> 02:43:56,400 would be based on um some sort of a 4219 02:43:56,400 --> 02:43:58,800 reservation system that is optimized 4220 02:43:58,800 --> 02:43:59,800 based on the review that we're 4221 02:43:59,800 --> 02:44:01,680 completing, the research we're doing as 4222 02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:04,440 well. Uh but also in some of those 4223 02:44:04,440 --> 02:44:05,880 areas, in some of those materials that 4224 02:44:05,880 --> 02:44:08,080 are not acceptable under a program such 4225 02:44:08,080 --> 02:44:09,360 as this, 4226 02:44:09,360 --> 02:44:13,880 the existing scrap containers and the hook load trucks that we own 4227 02:44:13,880 --> 02:44:17,800 currently for could still be used to 4228 02:44:17,800 --> 02:44:19,000 um you know, provide a fee-based 4229 02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:20,360 service. 4230 02:44:20,360 --> 02:44:22,040 It would help us to better have cost 4231 02:44:22,040 --> 02:44:24,280 recovery for construction debris, 4232 02:44:24,280 --> 02:44:26,200 remodels, people who want to remove 4233 02:44:26,200 --> 02:44:28,960 those dirt dirt and other sod and gravel 4234 02:44:28,960 --> 02:44:30,440 from their property, roofing 4235 02:44:30,440 --> 02:44:32,640 replacements, etc. So that's kind of 4236 02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:33,800 what we're thinking about. And then one 4237 02:44:33,800 --> 02:44:35,240 final slide and I'll stop talking 4238 02:44:35,240 --> 02:44:37,880 voluntarily and hopefully for a while. 4239 02:44:37,880 --> 02:44:39,760 Uh this is what we would need to look at 4240 02:44:39,760 --> 02:44:42,120 this further 4241 02:44:42,120 --> 02:44:43,840 is basically 4242 02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:46,520 looking at the impacts of standing up 4243 02:44:46,520 --> 02:44:47,960 this program. 4244 02:44:47,960 --> 02:44:49,480 So I already mentioned serviceability 4245 02:44:49,480 --> 02:44:51,480 impacts that they would be minimum two 4246 02:44:51,480 --> 02:44:54,280 times per year of curbside service. Uh 4247 02:44:54,280 --> 02:44:55,840 it would be structured based on rotation 4248 02:44:55,840 --> 02:44:58,120 through the communities of course. Uh 4249 02:44:58,120 --> 02:44:59,680 Salt Lake City can do this because 4250 02:44:59,680 --> 02:45:02,200 they're one centralized service area, 4251 02:45:02,200 --> 02:45:04,080 but we're kind of as you've seen on that 4252 02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:05,960 map, we're in different areas throughout 4253 02:45:05,960 --> 02:45:07,880 uh the different time of the year and 4254 02:45:07,880 --> 02:45:09,920 the week for for uh regular collection 4255 02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:12,360 services. So we need to we pretty much 4256 02:45:12,360 --> 02:45:13,680 already understand this, the capital 4257 02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:15,080 cost of standing up this type of 4258 02:45:15,080 --> 02:45:16,560 program. 4259 02:45:16,560 --> 02:45:18,200 Uh but we also need to look at in more 4260 02:45:18,200 --> 02:45:20,520 detail what would be the cost savings of 4261 02:45:20,520 --> 02:45:23,720 eliminating scrap in the valley, meaning 4262 02:45:23,720 --> 02:45:25,800 in the container program. 4263 02:45:25,800 --> 02:45:29,000 Uh and how but also how to uh have a 4264 02:45:29,000 --> 02:45:30,400 handle on the canyons and other 4265 02:45:30,400 --> 02:45:32,240 challenging areas that we've discussed 4266 02:45:32,240 --> 02:45:33,720 as well today. 4267 02:45:33,720 --> 02:45:36,280 Uh but also those cost savings, but what 4268 02:45:36,280 --> 02:45:39,120 would be the costs of a curbside 4269 02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:40,960 program? And what would be those 4270 02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:43,040 staffing? 4271 02:45:43,040 --> 02:45:45,920 Um compared to 12 seasonal drivers plus 4272 02:45:45,920 --> 02:45:47,040 two permanent drivers and all those 4273 02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:49,840 supervisors, this would largely be um 4274 02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:53,440 probably two teams of of two or three um 4275 02:45:53,440 --> 02:45:55,880 mostly full-time permanent employees 4276 02:45:55,880 --> 02:45:57,640 providing the service. 4277 02:45:57,640 --> 02:45:59,560 Uh but again, um as we discussed in the 4278 02:45:59,560 --> 02:46:02,280 past, instead of hauling 7,500 4279 02:46:02,280 --> 02:46:04,160 individual containers to a a landfill or 4280 02:46:04,160 --> 02:46:05,760 transfer station, 4281 02:46:05,760 --> 02:46:07,640 um we're we're talking about reducing 4282 02:46:07,640 --> 02:46:10,320 that travel time, the haul time, and 4283 02:46:10,320 --> 02:46:11,720 maximizing our tonnage and our 4284 02:46:11,720 --> 02:46:13,360 serviceability 4285 02:46:13,360 --> 02:46:16,760 um and saving us containers. And so 4286 02:46:16,760 --> 02:46:18,200 as part of that, that's the direction 4287 02:46:18,200 --> 02:46:20,280 that that this board uh decides that we 4288 02:46:20,280 --> 02:46:21,880 want to move forward, of course taking 4289 02:46:21,880 --> 02:46:24,160 into consideration some of the more 4290 02:46:24,160 --> 02:46:26,200 unique service areas and challenging 4291 02:46:26,200 --> 02:46:27,360 areas. 4292 02:46:27,360 --> 02:46:29,640 Uh but if we can provide scrap service 4293 02:46:29,640 --> 02:46:31,560 to I'm sorry, bulky waste service two 4294 02:46:31,560 --> 02:46:33,520 times or more a year, 4295 02:46:33,520 --> 02:46:34,600 um 4296 02:46:34,600 --> 02:46:36,560 the landfill voucher program may no 4297 02:46:36,560 --> 02:46:39,640 longer be necessary um or or both. 4298 02:46:39,640 --> 02:46:41,960 So to my understanding, the landfill 4299 02:46:41,960 --> 02:46:43,960 voucher program is is based on 4300 02:46:43,960 --> 02:46:46,760 Woodford's historic ties to Salt Lake 4301 02:46:46,760 --> 02:46:47,880 County. 4302 02:46:47,880 --> 02:46:49,920 We used to be a a department in the 4303 02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:51,360 county then as a special service 4304 02:46:51,360 --> 02:46:53,840 district still tied to the county. 4305 02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:55,560 But we have no ownership of the county 4306 02:46:55,560 --> 02:46:59,520 landfill or the transfer station. So uh 4307 02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:02,200 in in other integrated solid waste 4308 02:47:02,200 --> 02:47:03,200 districts that I've worked on in the 4309 02:47:03,200 --> 02:47:05,120 past, we had 4310 02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:07,040 you know, we had ownership or received 4311 02:47:07,040 --> 02:47:08,720 revenue from the landfill, so we had 4312 02:47:08,720 --> 02:47:11,400 these vouchers for free disposal because 4313 02:47:11,400 --> 02:47:13,560 we had that um 4314 02:47:13,560 --> 02:47:18,400 that interest in that facility. So right now, I think the landfill 4315 02:47:18,400 --> 02:47:20,480 vouchers have have have re- 4316 02:47:20,480 --> 02:47:22,920 continued because 4317 02:47:22,920 --> 02:47:24,960 those landfill vouchers used to offset 4318 02:47:24,960 --> 02:47:26,600 the limitations to the current container 4319 02:47:26,600 --> 02:47:28,880 based scrap program. 4320 02:47:28,880 --> 02:47:30,560 So if we were to go to a curbside bulky 4321 02:47:30,560 --> 02:47:32,160 program, 4322 02:47:32,160 --> 02:47:33,840 I guess the question is would the 4323 02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:37,480 voucher program continue to be necessary 4324 02:47:37,480 --> 02:47:38,240 uh 4325 02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:41,160 or and and or appropriate for Woodford 4326 02:47:41,160 --> 02:47:42,880 to offer that 4327 02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:43,480 um 4328 02:47:43,480 --> 02:47:45,560 that in addition to the the bulky waste 4329 02:47:45,560 --> 02:47:46,600 service. 4330 02:47:46,600 --> 02:47:48,640 So Evan, I just I have a question for 4331 02:47:48,640 --> 02:47:50,920 the board going back to this the 4332 02:47:50,920 --> 02:47:54,480 previous slide that you had. I know 4333 02:47:54,480 --> 02:48:18,790 I don't remember if it 4334 02:48:18,800 --> 02:48:21,440 Evan has done a fantastic job of going 4335 02:48:21,440 --> 02:48:23,320 over the benefits 4336 02:48:23,320 --> 02:48:26,000 of that program, but it is a big change. 4337 02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:27,760 So yes. 4338 02:48:27,760 --> 02:48:30,000 I brought it back to my council 4339 02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:32,600 after we had the initial meetings. And 4340 02:48:32,600 --> 02:48:37,520 our community council in general is in 4341 02:48:37,520 --> 02:48:40,360 favor of this because of the concerns I 4342 02:48:40,360 --> 02:48:42,760 brought up in the past. 4343 02:48:42,760 --> 02:48:45,200 And that is we share driveways. 4344 02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:46,720 When you jump put those trailers in our 4345 02:48:46,720 --> 02:48:48,600 driveways, it's not just one resident 4346 02:48:48,600 --> 02:48:50,440 liable for what goes in in the driveway 4347 02:48:50,440 --> 02:48:51,800 itself and everything. There's two 4348 02:48:51,800 --> 02:48:55,000 residents that are now having 4349 02:48:55,000 --> 02:48:56,960 a garbage truck 4350 02:48:56,960 --> 02:48:58,880 trailer in their driveway. 4351 02:48:58,880 --> 02:49:01,200 So, this kind of puts it back 4352 02:49:01,200 --> 02:49:02,560 onto the road that everybody's been 4353 02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:04,800 asking for. And we kind of need that 4354 02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:07,680 where we're at. So, there's been a good 4355 02:49:07,680 --> 02:49:10,040 response to this where we are. 4356 02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:11,920 Um and the voucher thing is for us would 4357 02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:14,240 be a good thing. We need to because we 4358 02:49:14,240 --> 02:49:15,640 have already been charged for the 4359 02:49:15,640 --> 02:49:16,400 vouchers. 4360 02:49:16,400 --> 02:49:17,840 For vouchers. 4361 02:49:17,840 --> 02:49:20,360 I wouldn't have any impact. 4362 02:49:20,360 --> 02:49:22,520 So, I would say for holiday, um people 4363 02:49:22,520 --> 02:49:24,160 were uh 4364 02:49:24,160 --> 02:49:26,720 supportive at looking at it and seeing 4365 02:49:26,720 --> 02:49:28,720 um as far as our our city management was 4366 02:49:28,720 --> 02:49:29,800 concerned, and this is a separate 4367 02:49:29,800 --> 02:49:32,240 question I want to get to later, um 4368 02:49:32,240 --> 02:49:35,800 dealt with issues like storm water and all of that. So, we'll get to that 4369 02:49:35,800 --> 02:49:36,840 later, but that there were some 4370 02:49:36,840 --> 02:49:39,160 concerns, but overall I would say large 4371 02:49:39,160 --> 02:49:41,320 support from us. Do I don't think there 4372 02:49:41,320 --> 02:49:43,840 were any additional concerns? Yeah. 4373 02:49:43,840 --> 02:49:47,400 Okay. Anybody else have a chance to 4374 02:49:47,400 --> 02:49:49,360 We have some small concerns in the city. 4375 02:49:49,360 --> 02:49:51,880 Some of our administration 4376 02:49:51,880 --> 02:49:54,160 feels like that you get people leaving 4377 02:49:54,160 --> 02:49:56,080 things out that you can't take and then 4378 02:49:56,080 --> 02:49:57,760 they get sad and then 4379 02:49:57,760 --> 02:50:00,720 we then we have to involve um 4380 02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:02,280 code enforcement and code enforcement 4381 02:50:02,280 --> 02:50:04,760 and and stuff like that. 4382 02:50:04,760 --> 02:50:07,440 But I think that can be resolved 4383 02:50:07,440 --> 02:50:09,440 if we can get some people on board with 4384 02:50:09,440 --> 02:50:11,080 the whole idea of things just being 4385 02:50:11,080 --> 02:50:12,560 dumped in the world. 4386 02:50:12,560 --> 02:50:15,240 My question is, I got thinking about a 4387 02:50:15,240 --> 02:50:17,760 lot of this. We took the scrap trailers 4388 02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:20,240 off of the street because we couldn't 4389 02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:22,280 main because it was just too dangerous 4390 02:50:22,280 --> 02:50:24,280 and people were bringing by and just 4391 02:50:24,280 --> 02:50:27,120 dumping everything on the street, right? 4392 02:50:27,120 --> 02:50:29,360 And so, we put it in the the in 4393 02:50:29,360 --> 02:50:31,000 individual 4394 02:50:31,000 --> 02:50:33,080 driveways so that we could eliminate 4395 02:50:33,080 --> 02:50:35,280 those huge bulky dumpsters, people 4396 02:50:35,280 --> 02:50:36,760 dumping things. 4397 02:50:36,760 --> 02:50:38,240 So, what's the difference of just 4398 02:50:38,240 --> 02:50:40,880 putting the scrap containers back on the 4399 02:50:40,880 --> 02:50:43,120 street where people want them and they 4400 02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:45,160 were happy with them? 4401 02:50:45,160 --> 02:50:47,240 If we are allowing bulk waste on the 4402 02:50:47,240 --> 02:50:49,600 street, why can't we have a scrap 4403 02:50:49,600 --> 02:50:54,430 container on the street? Possible. 4404 02:50:54,440 --> 02:50:55,760 I think that's a good question. I mean, 4405 02:50:55,760 --> 02:50:57,760 if it sounds like 4406 02:50:57,760 --> 02:50:59,160 at least where I was told was that I 4407 02:50:59,160 --> 02:51:01,480 asked I I mean, I I guess we could do 4408 02:51:01,480 --> 02:51:03,600 that. Uh the question I think would have 4409 02:51:03,600 --> 02:51:05,080 to do with 4410 02:51:05,080 --> 02:51:07,320 if this program decreases costs 4411 02:51:07,320 --> 02:51:08,680 significantly. What would you say to 4412 02:51:08,680 --> 02:51:10,040 that? I mean, 4413 02:51:10,040 --> 02:51:11,480 cuz I think it's a good point. Oh, 4414 02:51:11,480 --> 02:51:14,240 absolutely, yeah. It decreases costs. 4415 02:51:14,240 --> 02:51:16,440 The question has come up though, if 4416 02:51:16,440 --> 02:51:17,880 you're going to allow bulk, why don't we 4417 02:51:17,880 --> 02:51:19,200 just put the trailers back on the 4418 02:51:19,200 --> 02:51:21,480 street? 4419 02:51:21,480 --> 02:51:23,120 So, this is this is yes, a constant 4420 02:51:23,120 --> 02:51:25,200 efficiency, but also maximizing our 4421 02:51:25,200 --> 02:51:27,480 ability to service it. And so, with the 4422 02:51:27,480 --> 02:51:29,920 containers and and and our reliance on 4423 02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:31,640 seasonal workers and drivers to manage 4424 02:51:31,640 --> 02:51:35,000 it to haul those, we are our 4425 02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:37,480 the owned by the limitations of 4426 02:51:37,480 --> 02:51:40,080 properties that can get a container. 4427 02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:44,080 With a curbside bulky program that's being hauled and packed to 4428 02:51:44,080 --> 02:51:46,480 maximize the tonnage with a rear load 4429 02:51:46,480 --> 02:51:48,560 truck, we can offer every single 4430 02:51:48,560 --> 02:51:51,360 property along streets. So, there would 4431 02:51:51,360 --> 02:51:54,120 be no need to have people rush to the 4432 02:51:54,120 --> 02:51:55,800 container in the street, but all their 4433 02:51:55,800 --> 02:51:58,200 junk around it. And that's that's 4434 02:51:58,200 --> 02:51:59,680 created a ton of work for our ground 4435 02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:01,480 staff to do that. So, it would be So, 4436 02:52:01,480 --> 02:52:03,200 they would they would get picked up on 4437 02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:05,400 their curb with restrictions, right? 4438 02:52:05,400 --> 02:52:07,920 Different size of pile, where to place 4439 02:52:07,920 --> 02:52:10,440 it, where not to place it, um 4440 02:52:10,440 --> 02:52:11,360 and then we would we would make sure 4441 02:52:11,360 --> 02:52:12,960 that it's it's, you know, there are 4442 02:52:12,960 --> 02:52:15,520 concerns with damaging mailboxes and 4443 02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:17,480 in-ground utilities and things like that 4444 02:52:17,480 --> 02:52:18,960 as well. So, I have to make sure that 4445 02:52:18,960 --> 02:52:20,000 we're 4446 02:52:20,000 --> 02:52:21,560 you know, really aware of of those 4447 02:52:21,560 --> 02:52:24,520 items. So, really this 4448 02:52:24,520 --> 02:52:26,160 it it's maximizing our efficiency and 4449 02:52:26,160 --> 02:52:28,360 our ability to collect it. So, by going 4450 02:52:28,360 --> 02:52:31,360 containers back to the street, it's just 4451 02:52:31,360 --> 02:52:32,920 continuing with the problem we've always 4452 02:52:32,920 --> 02:52:34,400 had is not being able to meet the 4453 02:52:34,400 --> 02:52:38,710 service needs for the bulky waste. 4454 02:52:38,720 --> 02:52:41,120 I'm I'm going to push back a little bit 4455 02:52:41,120 --> 02:52:42,200 because 4456 02:52:42,200 --> 02:52:44,280 we didn't have complaints about the 4457 02:52:44,280 --> 02:52:46,720 trash program until we moved it off of 4458 02:52:46,720 --> 02:52:49,280 the street. So, I think it was meeting 4459 02:52:49,280 --> 02:52:50,520 people's needs 4460 02:52:50,520 --> 02:52:52,120 >> Okay. when it was just put in the 4461 02:52:52,120 --> 02:52:53,800 neighborhoods randomly, people would 4462 02:52:53,800 --> 02:52:55,520 fill them up, they'd cart them away. And 4463 02:52:55,520 --> 02:52:56,080 I 4464 02:52:56,080 --> 02:52:58,680 I'm completely uh 4465 02:52:58,680 --> 02:53:00,120 Again, it was the fact that people would 4466 02:53:00,120 --> 02:53:02,320 just come and dump them by the trailers 4467 02:53:02,320 --> 02:53:03,720 as well. 4468 02:53:03,720 --> 02:53:05,800 Uh 4469 02:53:05,800 --> 02:53:06,960 I think people are just going to go, 4470 02:53:06,960 --> 02:53:08,560 "Wait a minute. You told us we couldn't 4471 02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:10,160 put scrap on the street cuz it was a 4472 02:53:10,160 --> 02:53:13,240 liability, but now we can just dump dump 4473 02:53:13,240 --> 02:53:14,880 on the street, and that's not a 4474 02:53:14,880 --> 02:53:17,040 liability." And I understand all of the 4475 02:53:17,040 --> 02:53:18,160 answers. 4476 02:53:18,160 --> 02:53:19,720 I'm just 4477 02:53:19,720 --> 02:53:21,880 I just not for perception in my head, 4478 02:53:21,880 --> 02:53:24,360 which is great because I mean, yeah. 4479 02:53:24,360 --> 02:53:26,520 And I'll second that. I think I'd 4480 02:53:26,520 --> 02:53:27,920 never heard a complaint when they were 4481 02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:29,960 just placed. 4482 02:53:29,960 --> 02:53:31,680 Yeah. Administratively different issue, 4483 02:53:31,680 --> 02:53:33,480 but for residents 4484 02:53:33,480 --> 02:53:34,880 I'll be honest, the only complaint we 4485 02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:37,200 did get when it was on the streets was, 4486 02:53:37,200 --> 02:53:39,680 "There's not There's two on this street 4487 02:53:39,680 --> 02:53:42,640 and one on this street." Yeah. I mean, 4488 02:53:42,640 --> 02:53:44,320 the smallest of complaints, but we 4489 02:53:44,320 --> 02:53:45,880 didn't get the same 4490 02:53:45,880 --> 02:53:48,600 type of complaints we get now. 4491 02:53:48,600 --> 02:53:50,800 I agree. And I agree with you because it 4492 02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:52,360 is difficult to continue to go back to 4493 02:53:52,360 --> 02:53:54,360 your community and say, "We're doing 4494 02:53:54,360 --> 02:53:56,440 this because of this." And then suddenly 4495 02:53:56,440 --> 02:53:57,520 we're telling you, "Just kidding. Now 4496 02:53:57,520 --> 02:53:58,680 we're doing that." 4497 02:53:58,680 --> 02:54:01,120 It's hard for them to understand. 4498 02:54:01,120 --> 02:54:02,160 It's kind of like when we're talking 4499 02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:04,000 earlier about the different services 4500 02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:06,000 you're receiving, and then you're trying 4501 02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:07,400 to tell like 4502 02:54:07,400 --> 02:54:09,560 twice every other week recycling because 4503 02:54:09,560 --> 02:54:11,160 we're saving money, and they're going, 4504 02:54:11,160 --> 02:54:13,800 "But wait, you're cutting services." So, 4505 02:54:13,800 --> 02:54:15,360 it kind of goes hand in hand with that, 4506 02:54:15,360 --> 02:54:16,800 just being able to 4507 02:54:16,800 --> 02:54:18,840 how are you going to explain it to them? 4508 02:54:18,840 --> 02:54:20,840 I agree with you. 4509 02:54:20,840 --> 02:54:22,480 Just dump your stuff on the curb. Well, 4510 02:54:22,480 --> 02:54:23,320 yeah. 4511 02:54:23,320 --> 02:54:25,360 And then everybody's gathering it. One 4512 02:54:25,360 --> 02:54:26,720 is saying come and you just take the 4513 02:54:26,720 --> 02:54:30,840 trailer, and the other one is you have a skipster or whatever. 4514 02:54:30,840 --> 02:54:32,320 Right. And then you're you're prepared 4515 02:54:32,320 --> 02:54:33,880 for it to be on the street where before 4516 02:54:33,880 --> 02:54:35,480 you weren't. I would like wondering if 4517 02:54:35,480 --> 02:54:37,200 that's different. And I like the cost 4518 02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:38,440 savings, but yeah, that would be 4519 02:54:38,440 --> 02:54:40,200 certain. Yeah, I mean, it seems like 4520 02:54:40,200 --> 02:54:42,120 this is a significant cost savings, and 4521 02:54:42,120 --> 02:54:43,720 I know I just some people who've been on 4522 02:54:43,720 --> 02:54:46,640 the on the board longer know that like 4523 02:54:46,640 --> 02:54:49,040 to to go back to the old scrap model 4524 02:54:49,040 --> 02:54:51,520 that I mean, I think we all love, um is 4525 02:54:51,520 --> 02:54:53,480 not even just even a more expensive, 4526 02:54:53,480 --> 02:54:56,880 it's like cost prohibitive. Yes. So, 4527 02:54:56,880 --> 02:54:58,200 um 4528 02:54:58,200 --> 02:55:01,040 so, to me this feels closer to that. So, 4529 02:55:01,040 --> 02:55:04,480 it's it's less that this is uh 4530 02:55:04,480 --> 02:55:07,080 a good system and more that we we have a 4531 02:55:07,080 --> 02:55:11,120 real messaging communication problem 4532 02:55:11,120 --> 02:55:13,120 in implementing this 4533 02:55:13,120 --> 02:55:14,560 um because of what you're mentioning. 4534 02:55:14,560 --> 02:55:16,880 Would you Do you see that as fair? Yeah, 4535 02:55:16,880 --> 02:55:18,840 a fair assessment of a lot of things. 4536 02:55:18,840 --> 02:55:20,440 Cuz cuz I I agree with you. I think 4537 02:55:20,440 --> 02:55:21,920 that's I think that's exactly what we're 4538 02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:22,760 going to hear. So, we're going to have 4539 02:55:22,760 --> 02:55:25,440 to really really work on and make sure 4540 02:55:25,440 --> 02:55:26,720 that 4541 02:55:26,720 --> 02:55:28,280 um 4542 02:55:28,280 --> 02:55:33,280 that we have good messaging and address those concerns 4543 02:55:33,280 --> 02:55:35,400 appropriately. 4544 02:55:35,400 --> 02:55:36,560 What What about What are other 4545 02:55:36,560 --> 02:55:38,760 communities? What are we hearing? 4546 02:55:38,760 --> 02:55:40,440 I'm sorry. 4547 02:55:40,440 --> 02:55:42,160 They're They're cuz cuz I know you guys 4548 02:55:42,160 --> 02:55:44,080 are on the board. Yeah, I didn't hear. I 4549 02:55:44,080 --> 02:55:46,000 brought it up and didn't hear. Well, 4550 02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:48,120 what are the other? Very neutral. 4551 02:55:48,120 --> 02:55:49,880 They weren't They're not as excited 4552 02:55:49,880 --> 02:55:52,520 about trash, but yeah. 4553 02:55:52,520 --> 02:55:53,840 I didn't hear any 4554 02:55:53,840 --> 02:55:56,680 opposition, I think, connected to this, 4555 02:55:56,680 --> 02:55:58,800 at least in my community, for sure. 4556 02:55:58,800 --> 02:56:00,480 Right. Like I remember when they were 4557 02:56:00,480 --> 02:56:02,360 around more, and so it will feel like an 4558 02:56:02,360 --> 02:56:04,600 expansion. It will be an expansion of 4559 02:56:04,600 --> 02:56:06,240 services, which I think is good. 4560 02:56:06,240 --> 02:56:08,040 And maybe that's a good way to frame it 4561 02:56:08,040 --> 02:56:10,800 is it's an expansion because instead of, 4562 02:56:10,800 --> 02:56:12,320 you know, you get a couple of dumpsters 4563 02:56:12,320 --> 02:56:14,280 in your neighborhood, every single 4564 02:56:14,280 --> 02:56:15,840 person gets their stuff picked up, and 4565 02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:17,680 you don't have to, 4566 02:56:17,680 --> 02:56:19,720 you know, walk down the street to the 4567 02:56:19,720 --> 02:56:21,120 dumpster. I mean, that that could be a 4568 02:56:21,120 --> 02:56:23,040 good I could frame it marketing 4569 02:56:23,040 --> 02:56:24,680 approach. Well, then it's like I was 4570 02:56:24,680 --> 02:56:25,960 going to say too, it 4571 02:56:25,960 --> 02:56:28,240 allows everybody to be able to 4572 02:56:28,240 --> 02:56:29,400 participate. 4573 02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:31,600 >> Yeah. But I think I think you brought up 4574 02:56:31,600 --> 02:56:33,520 the concern earlier of how do we police 4575 02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:36,600 it like as a city or a town? 4576 02:56:36,600 --> 02:56:38,600 I think that's another concern that kind 4577 02:56:38,600 --> 02:56:39,480 of goes 4578 02:56:39,480 --> 02:56:41,480 along with communication, but also 4579 02:56:41,480 --> 02:56:42,520 you're just going to have people that do 4580 02:56:42,520 --> 02:56:44,160 that regardless. 4581 02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:46,960 So, I mean, I guess it would have to 4582 02:56:46,960 --> 02:56:49,400 fall in the code enforcement. So, what I 4583 02:56:49,400 --> 02:56:50,280 Before we get to that, cuz I think 4584 02:56:50,280 --> 02:56:52,720 that's a huge issue. Did any any 4585 02:56:52,720 --> 02:56:54,920 concerns with current magnet as far as 4586 02:56:54,920 --> 02:56:59,040 like space and support? Or are you guys 4587 02:56:59,040 --> 02:57:01,400 This is the first I We haven't had this 4588 02:57:01,400 --> 02:57:03,400 brought up in my Okay. 4589 02:57:03,400 --> 02:57:06,200 Well, keep us posted. 4590 02:57:06,200 --> 02:57:07,960 Okay. 4591 02:57:07,960 --> 02:57:12,760 Um I've had kind of the same feedback. 4592 02:57:12,760 --> 02:57:16,200 My biggest amount that I'm getting back 4593 02:57:16,200 --> 02:57:18,400 though is they just they desperately 4594 02:57:18,400 --> 02:57:20,720 want monthly bulky. 4595 02:57:20,720 --> 02:57:22,960 Okay. 4596 02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:24,760 Yeah, that's interesting. 4597 02:57:24,760 --> 02:57:28,040 Well, hopefully hopefully the where you 4598 02:57:28,040 --> 02:57:30,800 can the where you can pay for what I can 4599 02:57:30,800 --> 02:57:33,040 say, the fee for service, meaning it 4600 02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:35,240 help you solve 4601 02:57:35,240 --> 02:57:37,000 Yeah, which would be good. But listen, 4602 02:57:37,000 --> 02:57:38,560 cuz that's the other concern that we 4603 02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:42,120 have is is a lot of the code enforcement 4604 02:57:42,120 --> 02:57:44,520 um and a lot of that storm water issues. 4605 02:57:44,520 --> 02:57:46,520 Like my parents live in Sandy, and for 4606 02:57:46,520 --> 02:57:47,840 this they had this type of program 4607 02:57:47,840 --> 02:57:49,320 there, and truly it's like you would pry 4608 02:57:49,320 --> 02:57:50,680 it out of their cold dead hands. They 4609 02:57:50,680 --> 02:57:51,960 love it. 4610 02:57:51,960 --> 02:57:53,200 But 4611 02:57:53,200 --> 02:57:54,920 uh we just had this discussion, and I 4612 02:57:54,920 --> 02:57:57,280 was there hauling stuff out, 4613 02:57:57,280 --> 02:57:58,600 and I was like, "Well, we can't leave it 4614 02:57:58,600 --> 02:58:00,240 where the storm water goes." And my 4615 02:58:00,240 --> 02:58:01,800 mom's like, "It's fine. Don't worry 4616 02:58:01,800 --> 02:58:03,880 about it." I'm like, 4617 02:58:03,880 --> 02:58:07,080 I just was in a meeting about this. So, 4618 02:58:07,080 --> 02:58:08,920 what are other communities doing? What 4619 02:58:08,920 --> 02:58:11,960 are the proposals to address 4620 02:58:11,960 --> 02:58:14,960 like enforcement ends, fines, dollars, 4621 02:58:14,960 --> 02:58:16,600 penalties? 4622 02:58:16,600 --> 02:58:16,928 Okay. 4623 02:58:16,928 --> 02:58:17,240 >> [clears throat] 4624 02:58:17,240 --> 02:58:19,160 >> I I think it's another partnership 4625 02:58:19,160 --> 02:58:21,680 opportunity to work with MSD and some of 4626 02:58:21,680 --> 02:58:23,320 our other partner cities. You know, 4627 02:58:23,320 --> 02:58:24,520 Taylorsville has their own code 4628 02:58:24,520 --> 02:58:26,880 compliance departments. But it's it's it 4629 02:58:26,880 --> 02:58:29,120 would be a huge education and outreach 4630 02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:31,960 initiative. I know The City has a really 4631 02:58:31,960 --> 02:58:34,560 helpful diagrams on their website and we 4632 02:58:34,560 --> 02:58:36,840 would basically and and that comparison 4633 02:58:36,840 --> 02:58:38,920 that we made about this taking the best 4634 02:58:38,920 --> 02:58:40,880 of the best out of there, 4635 02:58:40,880 --> 02:58:43,000 forming this program, bringing back to 4636 02:58:43,000 --> 02:58:44,920 this board that that more information. 4637 02:58:44,920 --> 02:58:46,440 So we're we're we're actually focused 4638 02:58:46,440 --> 02:58:48,840 right now on this year's scrap season, 4639 02:58:48,840 --> 02:58:49,800 but we're we're thinking about 4640 02:58:49,800 --> 02:58:51,760 everything else on the side. We're we 4641 02:58:51,760 --> 02:58:54,440 need to do additional analysis on these 4642 02:58:54,440 --> 02:58:55,840 items. We'll bring that back to this 4643 02:58:55,840 --> 02:58:57,920 board at a later time, but really I 4644 02:58:57,920 --> 02:58:59,080 think it's a it's a partnership 4645 02:58:59,080 --> 02:59:01,320 opportunity with various cities and and 4646 02:59:01,320 --> 02:59:02,720 the MSD 4647 02:59:02,720 --> 02:59:05,120 in some cases as well. 4648 02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:06,080 Yeah, cuz I think strength is as 4649 02:59:06,080 --> 02:59:08,000 important as the entire process cuz it's 4650 02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:10,000 really important that the cities are 4651 02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:11,680 to be taking care of both of those and 4652 02:59:11,680 --> 02:59:13,560 those are both really big concerns. 4653 02:59:13,560 --> 02:59:15,880 Storm water and code enforcement all 4654 02:59:15,880 --> 02:59:18,760 lands on us. Yeah, yeah, it well I 4655 02:59:18,760 --> 02:59:20,560 that's exactly right. We want to know 4656 02:59:20,560 --> 02:59:23,760 what's going on. I would imagine wait, 4657 02:59:23,760 --> 02:59:24,880 some of the complaints will go to 4658 02:59:24,880 --> 02:59:26,720 customer service, but even then customer 4659 02:59:26,720 --> 02:59:28,280 service would then route that back to 4660 02:59:28,280 --> 02:59:31,600 the city's and so I think I mean we our 4661 02:59:31,600 --> 02:59:33,600 code enforcement officer are already 4662 02:59:33,600 --> 02:59:35,480 like run ragged especially in the 4663 02:59:35,480 --> 02:59:37,800 summer. 4664 02:59:37,800 --> 02:59:41,920 And so yeah, that that especially when 4665 02:59:41,920 --> 02:59:42,920 you're working with all the 4666 02:59:42,920 --> 02:59:44,640 municipalities that are functioning 4667 02:59:44,640 --> 02:59:45,840 under code enforcement with the 4668 02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:47,720 municipal service district because that 4669 02:59:47,720 --> 02:59:50,160 is not there are not 4670 02:59:50,160 --> 02:59:51,400 it's not a large office of code 4671 02:59:51,400 --> 02:59:53,680 enforcement to manage that many 4672 02:59:53,680 --> 02:59:55,480 municipalities especially if you're 4673 02:59:55,480 --> 02:59:58,280 doing that twice a year or for several 4674 02:59:58,280 --> 03:00:01,280 days out of a month. 4675 03:00:01,280 --> 03:00:02,440 You don't have to prioritize what code 4676 03:00:02,440 --> 03:00:05,640 enforcement you want done exactly. 4677 03:00:05,640 --> 03:00:07,360 And and we could support that. So right 4678 03:00:07,360 --> 03:00:09,040 now we actually 4679 03:00:09,040 --> 03:00:10,560 send letters. That's a historic 4680 03:00:10,560 --> 03:00:12,960 practice, but for if residents call and 4681 03:00:12,960 --> 03:00:14,000 complain that their neighbors didn't 4682 03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:15,320 take out their trash cans, we usually 4683 03:00:15,320 --> 03:00:19,600 send a letter. So there's a lot of other 4684 03:00:19,600 --> 03:00:21,160 possible 4685 03:00:21,160 --> 03:00:22,680 enforcement actions that we could 4686 03:00:22,680 --> 03:00:25,200 support. That we could take on instead 4687 03:00:25,200 --> 03:00:27,800 of putting it onto the cities. 4688 03:00:27,800 --> 03:00:29,080 That's I mean cuz that's the question. 4689 03:00:29,080 --> 03:00:31,880 Yeah, that's nice. Potentially. 4690 03:00:31,880 --> 03:00:33,480 That was big ask. Yeah, that's a big ask 4691 03:00:33,480 --> 03:00:35,440 on the district, but it's also a big ask 4692 03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:37,320 on the cities to put out take that. And 4693 03:00:37,320 --> 03:00:39,400 absolutely yes because you're asking 4694 03:00:39,400 --> 03:00:40,920 paid employees that we're already paying 4695 03:00:40,920 --> 03:00:43,680 to take care of your enforcement. Yeah, 4696 03:00:43,680 --> 03:00:45,920 that's the way I see it. So to me that's 4697 03:00:45,920 --> 03:00:48,040 piece that probably requires a lot more 4698 03:00:48,040 --> 03:00:49,840 looking into to really drive. That's 4699 03:00:49,840 --> 03:00:51,240 yeah, so that's but that's a big 4700 03:00:51,240 --> 03:00:52,840 potential and it really depends, you 4701 03:00:52,840 --> 03:00:54,800 know, so even the scrap season we're 4702 03:00:54,800 --> 03:00:57,440 dealing with our own enforcement just by 4703 03:00:57,440 --> 03:00:59,600 even the cost. So we 4704 03:00:59,600 --> 03:01:01,840 are pulling propane tanks with scrap 4705 03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:03,480 containers that could you know, they're 4706 03:01:03,480 --> 03:01:06,040 pressurized. 4707 03:01:06,040 --> 03:01:08,440 Have air conditioning, right? We're 4708 03:01:08,440 --> 03:01:11,000 pulling out refrigerators, mattresses, 4709 03:01:11,000 --> 03:01:12,560 and other things last week they were 4710 03:01:12,560 --> 03:01:14,480 talking about. The paint buckets of 4711 03:01:14,480 --> 03:01:16,280 paints and 4712 03:01:16,280 --> 03:01:18,440 chemicals. So these things that if if 4713 03:01:18,440 --> 03:01:21,280 these were at the curb for a bulk a bulk 4714 03:01:21,280 --> 03:01:23,440 waste curbside program, 4715 03:01:23,440 --> 03:01:25,600 we would see it and we just wouldn't 4716 03:01:25,600 --> 03:01:27,240 collect it. 4717 03:01:27,240 --> 03:01:29,280 Right? But it also would have to really 4718 03:01:29,280 --> 03:01:31,480 strengthen the city in a way that okay, 4719 03:01:31,480 --> 03:01:35,080 this zone your pickup week is is is this 4720 03:01:35,080 --> 03:01:38,480 week. Do not place anything at the curb. 4721 03:01:38,480 --> 03:01:40,960 Some cities are 72 hours in advance. So 4722 03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:42,200 they're not leaving stuff out of the 4723 03:01:42,200 --> 03:01:44,480 area for example. 4724 03:01:44,480 --> 03:01:46,400 And then our drivers that are in these 4725 03:01:46,400 --> 03:01:47,840 all these neighborhoods on a weekly 4726 03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:50,400 basis, we will rely on their eyes and 4727 03:01:50,400 --> 03:01:53,520 ears and count on them to report back 4728 03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:55,120 to our operations and our customer 4729 03:01:55,120 --> 03:01:56,640 service team if there's 4730 03:01:56,640 --> 03:01:58,200 non-compliance and the piles of things 4731 03:01:58,200 --> 03:01:59,520 that are there that are getting 4732 03:01:59,520 --> 03:02:01,480 picked up. So yeah, 4733 03:02:01,480 --> 03:02:03,760 consider it a collaborative effort that 4734 03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:05,840 would would would support this 4735 03:02:05,840 --> 03:02:07,880 initiative to what we discussed, but 4736 03:02:07,880 --> 03:02:09,200 also 4737 03:02:09,200 --> 03:02:10,880 gain support from partner cities and in 4738 03:02:10,880 --> 03:02:13,386 some cases help finance for us. I was 4739 03:02:13,386 --> 03:02:15,920 [snorts] just going to say and maybe 4740 03:02:15,920 --> 03:02:18,880 just moving through different 4741 03:02:18,880 --> 03:02:20,560 bullet points with 4742 03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:22,480 certain areas that have smaller more 4743 03:02:22,480 --> 03:02:24,200 narrow roads when it comes to things 4744 03:02:24,200 --> 03:02:27,480 like you know, by fire because those 4745 03:02:27,480 --> 03:02:29,200 emergency services are usually the ones 4746 03:02:29,200 --> 03:02:31,320 that have the most to say 4747 03:02:31,320 --> 03:02:32,720 whenever you want to try to use the 4748 03:02:32,720 --> 03:02:35,560 street for anything because even I am 4749 03:02:35,560 --> 03:02:36,960 one of the people who have been on this 4750 03:02:36,960 --> 03:02:38,640 board and talked about it. Even when we 4751 03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:41,280 were putting them in the road, we had a 4752 03:02:41,280 --> 03:02:42,920 I think one of the only other kickbacks 4753 03:02:42,920 --> 03:02:43,880 we had was 4754 03:02:43,880 --> 03:02:46,120 from UFA. 4755 03:02:46,120 --> 03:02:48,720 Because of the narrow streets and 4756 03:02:48,720 --> 03:02:50,480 creating obstacles in case of an 4757 03:02:50,480 --> 03:02:52,360 emergency. So I mean fire and emergency 4758 03:02:52,360 --> 03:02:55,590 services have a lot 4759 03:02:55,600 --> 03:02:57,640 and and maybe working with them maybe to 4760 03:02:57,640 --> 03:02:59,360 find out what their recommendation is. I 4761 03:02:59,360 --> 03:03:02,160 know Sandy City is 3 ft away from the 4762 03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:03,600 curb. 4763 03:03:03,600 --> 03:03:04,760 But I think there's other things to look 4764 03:03:04,760 --> 03:03:09,000 at to where is it the same city one? 4765 03:03:09,000 --> 03:03:10,680 I don't think we would propose that. If 4766 03:03:10,680 --> 03:03:13,320 we proposed that at the curb 4767 03:03:13,320 --> 03:03:16,080 or the or the curb 4768 03:03:16,080 --> 03:03:18,000 past the curb in the street. And how 4769 03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:19,720 would this just question do they don't 4770 03:03:19,720 --> 03:03:23,880 know how does this work on state roads? 4771 03:03:23,880 --> 03:03:25,280 Yeah, that's where there's some spare 4772 03:03:25,280 --> 03:03:27,200 ability and the planning community that 4773 03:03:27,200 --> 03:03:28,840 makes us Yeah, yeah, we have a large 4774 03:03:28,840 --> 03:03:31,720 population that is directly upon a state 4775 03:03:31,720 --> 03:03:33,280 road where you can go down and then I 4776 03:03:33,280 --> 03:03:35,240 know that things that are services are 4777 03:03:35,240 --> 03:03:38,990 really regulated. 4778 03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:40,640 Yeah, so 4779 03:03:40,640 --> 03:03:43,240 definitely a lot to 4780 03:03:43,240 --> 03:03:44,520 deliberate. 4781 03:03:44,520 --> 03:03:47,280 I don't know what to research and 4782 03:03:47,280 --> 03:03:51,280 I like it. But those are all the 4783 03:03:51,280 --> 03:03:52,880 you know, 4784 03:03:52,880 --> 03:03:54,840 previously here with Flagstaff Arizona, 4785 03:03:54,840 --> 03:03:57,200 we managed our curbside bulky program 4786 03:03:57,200 --> 03:03:59,320 exactly like this. It wasn't reservation 4787 03:03:59,320 --> 03:04:01,640 based. There was five zones that were 4788 03:04:01,640 --> 03:04:04,880 collected once every five weeks which 4789 03:04:04,880 --> 03:04:06,560 given our service area that would be 4790 03:04:06,560 --> 03:04:09,400 very very difficult to do, but people 4791 03:04:09,400 --> 03:04:10,760 didn't know their zones. So there were 4792 03:04:10,760 --> 03:04:13,120 just piles of junk at the curb. You're 4793 03:04:13,120 --> 03:04:15,040 just it's it's not 4794 03:04:15,040 --> 03:04:16,320 So that's why the structuring what we 4795 03:04:16,320 --> 03:04:18,720 sell for and the funding 4796 03:04:18,720 --> 03:04:20,800 we want people to actually request the 4797 03:04:20,800 --> 03:04:22,320 pickup or we would still pick it up if 4798 03:04:22,320 --> 03:04:25,000 they didn't request so we can plan and 4799 03:04:25,000 --> 03:04:28,870 do our estimation as much as possible. 4800 03:04:28,880 --> 03:04:30,800 Bulk waste on the curb, 4801 03:04:30,800 --> 03:04:32,680 you know, we use the similar type of 4802 03:04:32,680 --> 03:04:34,960 machinery as well 4803 03:04:34,960 --> 03:04:37,840 with very few property damages such as 4804 03:04:37,840 --> 03:04:40,760 your water heaters there. 4805 03:04:40,760 --> 03:04:43,200 Fences and mailboxes and it's it's 4806 03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:44,720 different in 4807 03:04:44,720 --> 03:04:47,040 each neighborhood that we service. 4808 03:04:47,040 --> 03:04:48,360 And 4809 03:04:48,360 --> 03:04:50,920 if there's a parked car, then we have 4810 03:04:50,920 --> 03:04:52,680 to track it and try to go back the next 4811 03:04:52,680 --> 03:05:03,830 day to to collect that material. 4812 03:05:03,840 --> 03:05:05,960 This is this is the last slide. The 4813 03:05:05,960 --> 03:05:07,640 scrap container. 4814 03:05:07,640 --> 03:05:10,000 What format do you suggest we take 4815 03:05:10,000 --> 03:05:14,070 that? 4816 03:05:14,080 --> 03:05:17,510 You know your first step actually. 4817 03:05:17,520 --> 03:05:20,160 Hard to verify. 4818 03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:22,640 Continue to advise and just 4819 03:05:22,640 --> 03:05:24,720 getting eight minutes early 4820 03:05:24,720 --> 03:05:26,640 for the morning getting this. 4821 03:05:26,640 --> 03:05:29,840 Having the staff daily or weekly now. 4822 03:05:29,840 --> 03:05:31,440 That figure. 4823 03:05:31,440 --> 03:05:33,640 The council is meeting with Sandy City 4824 03:05:33,640 --> 03:05:34,600 staff. 4825 03:05:34,600 --> 03:05:37,280 Getting these ideas and and giving us 4826 03:05:37,280 --> 03:05:39,200 quite good 4827 03:05:39,200 --> 03:05:42,160 and as you can imagine this three-plan 4828 03:05:42,160 --> 03:05:46,870 great look forward. 4829 03:05:46,880 --> 03:05:49,560 We're going to be able to see the 4830 03:05:49,560 --> 03:05:54,870 impact these seasons and go on 4831 03:05:54,880 --> 03:05:57,160 process itself. Now I should say with 4832 03:05:57,160 --> 03:06:00,760 last six years I think this three year 4833 03:06:00,760 --> 03:06:04,080 small waste is some very friendly to 4834 03:06:04,080 --> 03:06:07,000 work with. And I think this is 4835 03:06:07,000 --> 03:06:09,920 yeah, I think it's pretty 4836 03:06:09,920 --> 03:06:14,910 good. That funding that 4837 03:06:14,920 --> 03:06:15,800 I think 4838 03:06:15,800 --> 03:06:18,440 we have 4839 03:06:18,440 --> 03:06:20,280 Renee I think here 4840 03:06:20,280 --> 03:06:21,320 or no. 4841 03:06:21,320 --> 03:06:23,400 Absolutely for sure. 4842 03:06:23,400 --> 03:06:25,480 Who is your 4843 03:06:25,480 --> 03:06:26,680 automatic 4844 03:06:26,680 --> 03:06:29,280 bathroom food baby big 4845 03:06:29,280 --> 03:06:29,960 girl? 4846 03:06:29,960 --> 03:06:34,280 What is that meaning? 4847 03:06:34,280 --> 03:06:36,040 It should be good to have 4848 03:06:36,040 --> 03:06:50,510 a virtual patient. 4849 03:06:50,520 --> 03:06:51,680 Good question. 4850 03:06:51,680 --> 03:06:54,870 Thank you, Lori. 4851 03:06:54,880 --> 03:07:01,550 Very good answer. 4852 03:07:01,560 --> 03:07:03,040 Yeah, so preach there's not a lot of 4853 03:07:03,040 --> 03:07:05,400 information in the packet here. 4854 03:07:05,400 --> 03:07:06,960 Raise your hand if you think that you 4855 03:07:06,960 --> 03:07:09,640 know on the screen possibly. So there's 4856 03:07:09,640 --> 03:07:13,680 two topics of discussion here is is one 4857 03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:16,720 we already discussed to a degree today 4858 03:07:16,720 --> 03:07:19,360 is the concept of going from a weekly to 4859 03:07:19,360 --> 03:07:21,240 every other week curbside of cycle 4860 03:07:21,240 --> 03:07:22,480 collection. 4861 03:07:22,480 --> 03:07:25,760 And the discussion that kind of 4862 03:07:25,760 --> 03:07:27,360 centered around this line of service 4863 03:07:27,360 --> 03:07:28,560 financial side of the work still 4864 03:07:28,560 --> 03:07:30,640 planning to work with them this year and 4865 03:07:30,640 --> 03:07:33,640 have a a financial consultant 4866 03:07:33,640 --> 03:07:35,880 provide some analysis as part of that. 4867 03:07:35,880 --> 03:07:37,720 But the other piece on on the every 4868 03:07:37,720 --> 03:07:40,160 other week recycle is that 4869 03:07:40,160 --> 03:07:43,440 it would not be a resident by residents 4870 03:07:43,440 --> 03:07:44,960 decision. It would likely be something 4871 03:07:44,960 --> 03:07:47,800 we would we would ask the city 4872 03:07:47,800 --> 03:07:49,720 each respective city to decide on which 4873 03:07:49,720 --> 03:07:51,520 level of service 4874 03:07:51,520 --> 03:07:53,720 they would like. So ideally we would 4875 03:07:53,720 --> 03:07:55,440 poll your residents and a city council 4876 03:07:55,440 --> 03:07:57,200 would would decide which level of 4877 03:07:57,200 --> 03:07:58,400 service 4878 03:07:58,400 --> 03:08:00,320 would be provided for that. So we have 4879 03:08:00,320 --> 03:08:02,440 to look at the impacts. I know when I 4880 03:08:02,440 --> 03:08:05,400 was in Arizona, the city of Tucson 4881 03:08:05,400 --> 03:08:07,120 went from weekly to every other week 4882 03:08:07,120 --> 03:08:08,840 recycle 4883 03:08:08,840 --> 03:08:10,600 and when I asked them about how how that 4884 03:08:10,600 --> 03:08:12,480 impacted their program, 4885 03:08:12,480 --> 03:08:13,600 they said they actually did start 4886 03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:16,760 receiving lower volumes of total 4887 03:08:16,760 --> 03:08:18,160 materials as well. So there could be 4888 03:08:18,160 --> 03:08:21,520 that unforeseen negative consequence of 4889 03:08:21,520 --> 03:08:23,200 having less materials to be already 4890 03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:25,720 throwing in their garbage, right? Just 4891 03:08:25,720 --> 03:08:26,880 less materials getting put in the 4892 03:08:26,880 --> 03:08:28,760 recycle as a whole. That's just one 4893 03:08:28,760 --> 03:08:30,680 example. Uh 4894 03:08:30,680 --> 03:08:33,760 Tucson is a very large metropolitan 4895 03:08:33,760 --> 03:08:34,920 city, 4896 03:08:34,920 --> 03:08:35,920 but 4897 03:08:35,920 --> 03:08:37,600 different types of materials they have a 4898 03:08:37,600 --> 03:08:40,000 very robust bulky program. That's part 4899 03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:41,720 of this analysis that we looked at 4900 03:08:41,720 --> 03:08:44,680 Tucson, Phoenix, and other metro areas 4901 03:08:44,680 --> 03:08:47,520 as well. So, the other item on this list 4902 03:08:47,520 --> 03:08:49,400 and happy to take feedback on the 4903 03:08:49,400 --> 03:08:51,600 considerations for the weekly versus 4904 03:08:51,600 --> 03:08:53,640 bi-weekly consideration, but it's you 4905 03:08:53,640 --> 03:08:55,480 know, how does we continue to have 4906 03:08:55,480 --> 03:08:57,600 whatever do we have? 4907 03:08:57,600 --> 03:08:59,880 The curbside green waste program, we 4908 03:08:59,880 --> 03:09:02,040 have seen 4909 03:09:02,040 --> 03:09:05,480 consistent increase in new customers, 4910 03:09:05,480 --> 03:09:07,200 but that increase seems to be dialing 4911 03:09:07,200 --> 03:09:10,480 down. So, we've kind of almost hit to 4912 03:09:10,480 --> 03:09:12,680 in essence like where we're maximum 4913 03:09:12,680 --> 03:09:15,840 saturation of program participation. 4914 03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:18,480 We are seeing increased revenues. 4915 03:09:18,480 --> 03:09:21,200 Managers are remaining stable on this 4916 03:09:21,200 --> 03:09:22,680 program, 4917 03:09:22,680 --> 03:09:23,960 but 4918 03:09:23,960 --> 03:09:25,360 you know, if this material is take us 4919 03:09:25,360 --> 03:09:30,520 less to get rid of and to landfill. 4920 03:09:30,520 --> 03:09:31,600 I mentioned earlier there was a 4921 03:09:31,600 --> 03:09:33,840 possibility that WFR could start its own 4922 03:09:33,840 --> 03:09:37,160 composting based program, 4923 03:09:37,160 --> 03:09:39,920 but really how do we continue to grow 4924 03:09:39,920 --> 03:09:42,320 this program or incentivize this program 4925 03:09:42,320 --> 03:09:44,840 or do we want this program to remain as 4926 03:09:44,840 --> 03:09:46,760 is as a subscription based or do certain 4927 03:09:46,760 --> 03:09:48,280 cities 4928 03:09:48,280 --> 03:09:51,040 that have a higher need for 4929 03:09:51,040 --> 03:09:53,240 fire mitigation or green waste removal? 4930 03:09:53,240 --> 03:09:55,760 This is for smaller material, but do 4931 03:09:55,760 --> 03:09:59,360 certain areas or certain cities 4932 03:09:59,360 --> 03:10:01,680 want to see that service provided to 4933 03:10:01,680 --> 03:10:04,120 their residents for example? 4934 03:10:04,120 --> 03:10:05,600 So, that would be something that the 4935 03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:08,120 city council has to look at and vote on. 4936 03:10:08,120 --> 03:10:10,040 But it's worth it to kind of see what is 4937 03:10:10,040 --> 03:10:12,520 our possibilities of making 4938 03:10:12,520 --> 03:10:15,240 adjustments to these programs. 4939 03:10:15,240 --> 03:10:17,560 One thing I I do want to point out since 4940 03:10:17,560 --> 03:10:19,560 um 4941 03:10:19,560 --> 03:10:24,080 uh board members Stringham 4942 03:10:24,080 --> 03:10:25,120 I'm forgetting your last name for some 4943 03:10:25,120 --> 03:10:27,720 reason and I know I know it too. 4944 03:10:27,720 --> 03:10:32,550 Uh 4945 03:10:32,560 --> 03:10:35,000 Is that with with with Herriman with 4946 03:10:35,000 --> 03:10:36,360 Yanni 4947 03:10:36,360 --> 03:10:38,680 from from Wasatch Front, they have like 4948 03:10:38,680 --> 03:10:41,040 1,200 green waste subscribers. 4949 03:10:41,040 --> 03:10:43,440 South Salt Lake Incorporated has maybe 4950 03:10:43,440 --> 03:10:45,440 five and Herriman has maybe three green 4951 03:10:45,440 --> 03:10:47,680 waste subscribers. So, continuing to 4952 03:10:47,680 --> 03:10:49,480 offer the service in those areas 4953 03:10:49,480 --> 03:10:50,600 probably doesn't make any sense 4954 03:10:50,600 --> 03:10:52,080 operationally or from a cost 4955 03:10:52,080 --> 03:10:53,600 perspective. Mr. President, but we were 4956 03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:55,280 just talking about this in our breakout 4957 03:10:55,280 --> 03:10:56,360 and the amount I wanted to know the 4958 03:10:56,360 --> 03:10:57,800 amount of people who have two black 4959 03:10:57,800 --> 03:10:59,560 bins. 4960 03:10:59,560 --> 03:11:01,880 Because I have a black and I have a 4961 03:11:01,880 --> 03:11:04,240 second black bin that I would that I 4962 03:11:04,240 --> 03:11:07,840 paid how much for, $70 startup, $19 a 4963 03:11:07,840 --> 03:11:09,600 month for and the only thing that goes 4964 03:11:09,600 --> 03:11:11,000 in it is grass clippings and green 4965 03:11:11,000 --> 03:11:11,920 waste. 4966 03:11:11,920 --> 03:11:13,800 Oh, well. Because I don't have an 4967 03:11:13,800 --> 03:11:16,400 opportunity to get green waste. 4968 03:11:16,400 --> 03:11:17,800 So, there might be three, but that's 4969 03:11:17,800 --> 03:11:19,680 because nobody else can sign up. It 4970 03:11:19,680 --> 03:11:21,480 tells I'll even tell you 4971 03:11:21,480 --> 03:11:23,880 I have a lot of neighbors have green And 4972 03:11:23,880 --> 03:11:26,080 we didn't push it. Look at these numbers 4973 03:11:26,080 --> 03:11:29,320 sometime who have green waste bin 4974 03:11:29,320 --> 03:11:31,000 who then got rid of it, got a second 4975 03:11:31,000 --> 03:11:32,360 garbage bin. 4976 03:11:32,360 --> 03:11:33,760 That's happened all because it is 4977 03:11:33,760 --> 03:11:35,280 cheaper. 4978 03:11:35,280 --> 03:11:37,560 We have three It's cheaper to put it in 4979 03:11:37,560 --> 03:11:40,040 the landfill than green waste bin. We 4980 03:11:40,040 --> 03:11:44,200 have three, so we actually haven't even 4981 03:11:44,200 --> 03:11:46,400 been able to really get any type of good 4982 03:11:46,400 --> 03:11:49,760 information on the three. 4983 03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:51,800 So, we also haven't had a chance to push 4984 03:11:51,800 --> 03:11:53,400 for that program either because what's 4985 03:11:53,400 --> 03:11:54,440 the point? 4986 03:11:54,440 --> 03:11:56,120 And then for a month. It's been coming 4987 03:11:56,120 --> 03:11:58,960 up on the forecast 4988 03:11:58,960 --> 03:11:59,920 And 4989 03:11:59,920 --> 03:12:02,000 $12 is less than a black bin. Black bin 4990 03:12:02,000 --> 03:12:04,200 is Finally, you pay annually. That's 4991 03:12:04,200 --> 03:12:06,280 $12, correct? 4992 03:12:06,280 --> 03:12:08,480 Well, it's it's it's billed monthly, but 4993 03:12:08,480 --> 03:12:11,560 it is an annual yes for $12. but you and 4994 03:12:11,560 --> 03:12:14,720 you don't get annual service for those. 4995 03:12:14,720 --> 03:12:17,280 But it's like from November to March 4996 03:12:17,280 --> 03:12:19,080 that they got to 4997 03:12:19,080 --> 03:12:19,800 Right. 4998 03:12:19,800 --> 03:12:21,960 The point being it's more money. 4999 03:12:21,960 --> 03:12:24,280 That's key, you know. 5000 03:12:24,280 --> 03:12:26,880 But it's with your black bin 5001 03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:28,360 We can expand the time frame. Other 5002 03:12:28,360 --> 03:12:31,160 cities run through December 31st. We 5003 03:12:31,160 --> 03:12:34,590 changed the the 5004 03:12:34,600 --> 03:12:36,640 So, with your black bin you're paying 12 5005 03:12:36,640 --> 03:12:39,920 months out of the year and it's 19 plus 5006 03:12:39,920 --> 03:12:41,880 the $70 startup. 5007 03:12:41,880 --> 03:12:43,520 Yeah, got you. So, if you're doing green 5008 03:12:43,520 --> 03:12:45,840 waste it's 12 a month and you're also 5009 03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:48,000 not having that period of time during 5010 03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:49,680 the winter that you're using it. So, for 5011 03:12:49,680 --> 03:12:51,560 people who realistically only use their 5012 03:12:51,560 --> 03:12:54,440 secondary black bin for things like 5013 03:12:54,440 --> 03:12:56,840 spring cleanup or fire mitigation 5014 03:12:56,840 --> 03:12:58,120 because we didn't have that issue where 5015 03:12:58,120 --> 03:13:00,320 I live, then you aren't filling those 5016 03:13:00,320 --> 03:13:01,920 bins in the summer time. And that's 5017 03:13:01,920 --> 03:13:04,000 primarily what we do at our house. We're 5018 03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:06,240 not maybe Christmas. Christmas may be 5019 03:13:06,240 --> 03:13:08,440 the only other time where we would 5020 03:13:08,440 --> 03:13:11,440 are happy we have that second black bin. 5021 03:13:11,440 --> 03:13:14,040 Most of it's going in recycle, right? 5022 03:13:14,040 --> 03:13:14,943 But 5023 03:13:14,943 --> 03:13:15,240 >> [laughter] 5024 03:13:15,240 --> 03:13:17,000 >> you know, we do use both two bins during 5025 03:13:17,000 --> 03:13:20,280 that time. Otherwise, it is summer. 5026 03:13:20,280 --> 03:13:21,320 It's summer half the time we're using 5027 03:13:21,320 --> 03:13:23,080 it, but it's not offered in our area. 5028 03:13:23,080 --> 03:13:26,990 So, we have to go with the standard. 5029 03:13:27,000 --> 03:13:28,520 Yeah. And and if we could have, you 5030 03:13:28,520 --> 03:13:29,400 know, a 5031 03:13:29,400 --> 03:13:31,560 certain threshold of subscriptions for 5032 03:13:31,560 --> 03:13:35,960 that, then we could continue to justify it for Herriman, South Salt 5033 03:13:35,960 --> 03:13:37,840 Lake Incorporated. 5034 03:13:37,840 --> 03:13:39,560 I think Herriman they were they do the 5035 03:13:39,560 --> 03:13:41,840 glass recycling. They are actually 5036 03:13:41,840 --> 03:13:43,440 starting to offer curbside glass 5037 03:13:43,440 --> 03:13:46,000 recycling in both Herriman and Magna GB 5038 03:13:46,000 --> 03:13:48,040 First. Right. We talked about that in 5039 03:13:48,040 --> 03:13:49,840 our breakout as well and it's a cost 5040 03:13:49,840 --> 03:13:51,720 center. So, it's not necessarily even 5041 03:13:51,720 --> 03:13:54,920 out of more money for 5042 03:13:54,920 --> 03:13:56,480 it's not an additional cost for 5043 03:13:56,480 --> 03:13:58,280 Herriman. It's a cost center. 5044 03:13:58,280 --> 03:14:00,680 So, if you do add the central locations 5045 03:14:00,680 --> 03:14:02,320 in Herriman 5046 03:14:02,320 --> 03:14:04,880 So, if we were to that's kind of 5047 03:14:04,880 --> 03:14:06,680 whole breakout. So, it was interesting 5048 03:14:06,680 --> 03:14:07,480 to 5049 03:14:07,480 --> 03:14:09,960 see how the different areas 5050 03:14:09,960 --> 03:14:11,640 utilize the bins. But I think Herriman 5051 03:14:11,640 --> 03:14:14,200 would have liked to do 10% 5052 03:14:14,200 --> 03:14:15,880 of households that could subscribe as 5053 03:14:15,880 --> 03:14:18,080 like a minimum threshold or something. 5054 03:14:18,080 --> 03:14:20,000 Yeah, like 75 minimum or something. 5055 03:14:20,000 --> 03:14:21,920 Yeah. 5056 03:14:21,920 --> 03:14:23,080 But yeah, that's separate from the the 5057 03:14:23,080 --> 03:14:24,760 central black 5058 03:14:24,760 --> 03:14:26,200 recycling. 5059 03:14:26,200 --> 03:14:28,760 That's curbside and so, we administer we 5060 03:14:28,760 --> 03:14:31,400 bill it. Herriman does the collections 5061 03:14:31,400 --> 03:14:33,680 and I think we we mark it up maybe a 5062 03:14:33,680 --> 03:14:35,280 quarter for 5063 03:14:35,280 --> 03:14:36,720 But it's not even that. 5064 03:14:36,720 --> 03:14:38,280 So, it's it's covering our 5065 03:14:38,280 --> 03:14:43,630 administrative overhead cost for that service. 5066 03:14:43,640 --> 03:14:45,080 So, I I think we know we're looking at 5067 03:14:45,080 --> 03:14:46,800 bi-weekly recycle, but I guess as for 5068 03:14:46,800 --> 03:14:48,040 the the green waste, just wanted to 5069 03:14:48,040 --> 03:14:49,960 bring this information forward and if 5070 03:14:49,960 --> 03:14:52,440 there's any recommendations or direction 5071 03:14:52,440 --> 03:14:53,520 on 5072 03:14:53,520 --> 03:14:55,560 uh further pursuit of this program, 5073 03:14:55,560 --> 03:14:57,840 growing it, keeping it as is. When you 5074 03:14:57,840 --> 03:14:59,200 say you're looking at bi-weekly 5075 03:14:59,200 --> 03:15:00,880 recycling, you'd come back with us give 5076 03:15:00,880 --> 03:15:02,640 us the actual number of how much people 5077 03:15:02,640 --> 03:15:03,760 bill 5078 03:15:03,760 --> 03:15:10,150 for for recycling. 5079 03:15:10,160 --> 03:15:12,520 15 minutes to go. 5080 03:15:12,520 --> 03:15:14,080 Thanks. 5081 03:15:14,080 --> 03:15:15,760 That's all we've got for for this item. 5082 03:15:15,760 --> 03:15:17,800 We can move on to the final breakout and 5083 03:15:17,800 --> 03:15:19,000 we'll have a look at it. 5084 03:15:19,000 --> 03:15:21,040 Well, that I would everybody has seen 5085 03:15:21,040 --> 03:15:23,880 based on time constraints 5086 03:15:23,880 --> 03:15:24,840 that 5087 03:15:24,840 --> 03:15:27,400 uh these items for getting this 5088 03:15:27,400 --> 03:15:29,280 these materials that you you can take 5089 03:15:29,280 --> 03:15:30,600 home with you. 5090 03:15:30,600 --> 03:15:34,560 Uh discuss with your council and that 5091 03:15:34,560 --> 03:15:36,360 the day meeting 5092 03:15:36,360 --> 03:15:37,880 this could be a time that we can slide 5093 03:15:37,880 --> 03:15:40,560 this in day meeting to add. 5094 03:15:40,560 --> 03:15:43,080 Council members again will stop doing 5095 03:15:43,080 --> 03:15:45,640 they they can take it to your home. 5096 03:15:45,640 --> 03:15:47,520 You'll have council meetings to present 5097 03:15:47,520 --> 03:15:49,880 this and then 5098 03:15:49,880 --> 03:15:52,600 open meeting or meeting two meetings 5099 03:15:52,600 --> 03:15:55,440 and run run we put that on the agenda 5100 03:15:55,440 --> 03:15:57,160 and and work that in as part of our 5101 03:15:57,160 --> 03:15:58,720 discussion on 5102 03:15:58,720 --> 03:16:03,550 what the proposals here might be. 5103 03:16:03,560 --> 03:16:04,280 Uh 5104 03:16:04,280 --> 03:16:07,600 recap but I don't know if I can see. 5105 03:16:07,600 --> 03:16:09,760 So, we would do the breakout as you're 5106 03:16:09,760 --> 03:16:11,360 suggesting we're doing the breakout at a 5107 03:16:11,360 --> 03:16:16,480 different meeting. Yes. Okay. We'll work over that our next next 5108 03:16:16,480 --> 03:16:19,480 meeting. Next meeting. Thank you. 5109 03:16:19,480 --> 03:16:21,360 I just want to say I'm 5110 03:16:21,360 --> 03:16:23,920 from what I see in Herriman 5111 03:16:23,920 --> 03:16:29,600 this is an opportunity because again at our meetings about the financials, we 5112 03:16:29,600 --> 03:16:31,880 try to pack in as much stuff and discuss 5113 03:16:31,880 --> 03:16:34,000 as many things as we can. 5114 03:16:34,000 --> 03:16:37,200 This does provide again a brief overview 5115 03:16:37,200 --> 03:16:38,960 of ideas 5116 03:16:38,960 --> 03:16:39,960 and 5117 03:16:39,960 --> 03:16:42,120 specifically we look at our rooms, 5118 03:16:42,120 --> 03:16:44,680 everybody's their their demographics are 5119 03:16:44,680 --> 03:16:46,600 completely different. 5120 03:16:46,600 --> 03:16:48,400 They are different. Yes. They are 5121 03:16:48,400 --> 03:16:51,560 different and each of their services 5122 03:16:51,560 --> 03:16:53,520 again are provided in somewhat different 5123 03:16:53,520 --> 03:16:54,960 manners. 5124 03:16:54,960 --> 03:16:57,720 If you again if you have other questions 5125 03:16:57,720 --> 03:16:59,160 you desire 5126 03:16:59,160 --> 03:17:01,080 more information that we can throw out 5127 03:17:01,080 --> 03:17:06,480 for the next meeting, I I think that's great Justin. You have one 5128 03:17:06,480 --> 03:17:07,440 that 5129 03:17:07,440 --> 03:17:09,320 I don't want to get out. Thank you. Have 5130 03:17:09,320 --> 03:17:10,400 a good one. 5131 03:17:10,400 --> 03:17:12,360 And we have that 5132 03:17:12,360 --> 03:17:15,440 except for Catherine's coffee. 5133 03:17:15,440 --> 03:17:18,840 Catherine's Catherine's coffee. 5134 03:17:18,840 --> 03:17:21,760 But we do appreciate and 5135 03:17:21,760 --> 03:17:23,720 we'll again 5136 03:17:23,720 --> 03:17:25,520 see you next month. 5137 03:17:25,520 --> 03:17:27,120 Motion [snorts] 5138 03:17:27,120 --> 03:17:29,360 I said motion to adjourn. 5139 03:17:29,360 --> 03:17:31,840 I'll make that motion. I'll second. 5140 03:17:31,840 --> 03:17:34,360 Motion and a second. All those in favor? 5141 03:17:34,360 --> 03:17:35,640 Aye. 5142 03:17:35,640 --> 03:17:37,440 Thank you very much. Have a wonderful 5143 03:17:37,440 --> 03:17:40,320 day. We will return thanks. 5144 03:17:40,320 --> 03:17:43,280 Rain or It's still good. 5145 03:17:43,280 --> 03:17:44,320 You learn. 5146 03:17:44,320 --> 03:17:46,990 You got it. 5147 03:17:47,000 --> 03:17:47,800 Good. 5148 03:17:47,800 --> 03:17:50,870 We're going to park 5149 03:17:50,880 --> 03:17:52,360 It's funny. 5150 03:17:52,360 --> 03:17:59,110 It's all the concepts. 5151 03:17:59,120 --> 03:18:00,040 Um 5152 03:18:00,040 --> 03:18:03,160 Let's see what the numbers are.