1 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,920 As a result of those discussions, we 2 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,640 have developed the requirements that 3 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,720 have been submitted in your packet. We 4 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,680 feel these requirements are fair and 5 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,760 reasonable and should alleviate some of 6 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,280 the concerns that have come up regarding 7 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,440 insurance coverage with when renting a 8 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,520 city facility, pavilion, or hosting a 9 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,000 special event. Our goal is to provide 10 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,440 appropriate protection for the city 11 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,280 while keeping the process reasonable for 12 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,840 rentals and special events. John is here 13 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,080 tonight with us this evening to go over 14 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,920 the different risk categories and answer 15 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:16,959 any questions you may have. 16 00:02:16,959 --> 00:02:22,030 John. 17 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,840 » Thank you, Sherry. 18 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,030 Thank you, Council. 19 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,200 So, in working with Casey and Lori in 20 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,080 the Parks Department over the last 21 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,080 couple months, we've gone through 22 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,840 several revisions of the documents in 23 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,800 front of you tonight. Uh I did bring um 24 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,360 another document I wanted to share that 25 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,200 kind of explains how this 26 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,920 uh conversation got started. It's uh 27 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:47,800 from the Missouri Department of 28 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,680 Insurance website, that's a sovereign 29 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,400 immunity uh limit um 30 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,840 documentation um 31 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,959 to 32 00:02:56,959 --> 00:02:59,560 explain the difference between a claim 33 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,959 per occurrence and out of all claims 34 00:03:01,959 --> 00:03:04,720 arising out of a single accident. In our 35 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,800 world, we we use in the insurance world, 36 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,880 we use the per occurrence and aggregate 37 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,440 terminology 38 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,280 quite often. But, an aggregate or all 39 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,120 claims arising out of a single event, um 40 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,600 the terminology got a little lost in 41 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,360 translation. So, our 42 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,120 uh we've eliminated 43 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:21,880 um 44 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,320 the the confusion around these sovereign 45 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,000 immunity limits and the requirement that 46 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,519 was previously 1 million per occurrence 47 00:03:29,519 --> 00:03:32,720 and I believe a three or four million 48 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,807 aggregate limit. And again, uh to um 49 00:03:36,807 --> 00:03:36,920 >> [snorts] 50 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:37,720 >> uh 51 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,640 make the same point we talked about last 52 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:41,440 June, that's just not how insurance 53 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,959 policies are structured. The Rotary 54 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:44,480 Club, the Lions Club, it's very 55 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:45,760 difficult for them to get a 1 million 56 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,200 per occurrence and a 4 million dollar 57 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:48,840 aggregate policy. 58 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,959 So, uh on tier one insurance 59 00:03:50,959 --> 00:03:53,280 requirements in the document in front of 60 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840 you. um Um, minimal risk, no insurance 61 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,000 required category. 62 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,200 Uh, those are rentals where it's 63 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,240 one-time, um, 64 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,480 citizens and and group rentals for a 65 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,480 barbecue get-together where we feel 66 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,320 there's no 67 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,440 uh additional risk on the city or no 68 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,640 additional um care of duty in in renting 69 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,440 out that facility. The taxpayers pay for 70 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,480 that facility. It's a private event, not 71 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:22,040 open to the public, and in most cases 72 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:23,720 other municipalities do not require 73 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,840 evidence of insurance for a simple 74 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:29,080 pavilion rental in a park or or similar. 75 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,040 Um, 76 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,560 tier two and and higher categories kind 77 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,120 of escalate based off of certain 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,160 criteria that are um 79 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,880 less arbitrary than than previously. 80 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,800 They identify 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:42,919 um whether or not the event's open to 82 00:04:42,919 --> 00:04:44,680 the public, whether or not alcohol will 83 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,160 be served, animals will be present, or 84 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:48,760 hazardous events like fireworks and 85 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,960 bounce houses will be on site. And if 86 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,600 those more hazardous, um, items are 87 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:56,720 um 88 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,560 going to be included in that event, uh, 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,720 they go to the category four risk, 90 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:03,440 um, 91 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,720 level, where we're transferring the full 92 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,200 3. 5 million in sovereign immunity 93 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,440 per for any for all claims arising out 94 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,960 of a single event or occurrence. So, if 95 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,840 you see the the wording there um highlighted in 96 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:22,720 light gray, "For all claims arising out 97 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,919 of a single accident or occurrence." 98 00:05:25,919 --> 00:05:27,720 Um, 99 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,480 that means for if a bleachers were to 100 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,520 fall down at the county fair or or some 101 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,960 concert event were to have an equipment 102 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,400 malfunction and say five or to 10 people 103 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:40,760 were injured, 104 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,440 um, they would be limited to $530,000 105 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,080 under the Missouri sovereign immunity 106 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,520 caps, but all of the claims arising out 107 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,680 of that 108 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,160 incident could easily exceed the $1 109 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:57,280 million requirement that was previously 110 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,080 the limit needed for the 111 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:04,160 special events and facility rentals. So, 112 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,640 I don't believe there was any 113 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,040 requirement above a million dollars per 114 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,560 occurrence. So, 115 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,590 um 116 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,200 I believe that 117 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,880 kind of explains how we we got over the 118 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,400 last few months to this document. 119 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:22,160 Um 120 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,320 We we gave guidelines and ran it through 121 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:25,800 our risk management team at Daniel and 122 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:26,840 Henry 123 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:28,400 to make sure all the boxes were checked 124 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,120 that the whole harmless indemnification 125 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,280 wordings, all those legal 126 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:33,919 clauses and mechanisms in the 127 00:06:33,919 --> 00:06:36,720 application process were were there to 128 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,880 make sure that when we get that evidence 129 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,440 of insurance that we know how 130 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,840 a claim should play out with the 131 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:46,400 documentation we have on hand before the 132 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,720 event. And as always our our goal as 133 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,600 your insurance broker and risk 134 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,480 management partner 135 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,720 is to transfer or minimize and otherwise 136 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,919 mitigate risk that the city faces 137 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:01,600 on their facilities and and in the 138 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,480 day-to-day operations. So, I'll 139 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,064 open it to questions. 140 00:07:07,064 --> 00:07:08,360 >> [clears throat] 141 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,120 >> Well, my first question was was back in 142 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,080 January we changed it from 1 and 3 143 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,480 million 144 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,280 to 1 and 4. 145 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,480 million on aggregate. 146 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,840 >> accurate. It was increasing it 147 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:22,560 back in in April to June when I 148 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:23,840 >> Okay. 149 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,120 >> It actually was last It was latter part 150 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,440 of last year when it was brought to our 151 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,990 attention that our limits 152 00:07:29,990 --> 00:07:31,400 [clears throat] weren't high enough. 153 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:31,800 >> Right. 154 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,640 >> And so, that's when we moved the 1 to 3 155 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,160 to 1 to 4. 156 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:36,840 >> What What you're saying there though 157 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,280 that the 1 to 4 was never 158 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:40,560 necessary or it was [clears throat] 159 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,200 never 160 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,000 the right way to go about it. 161 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,760 >> right structure. There was There was a 162 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,800 disconnect in communication at some 163 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,520 point in in the chain about um the 164 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,640 uh the higher sovereign immunity limit 165 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,600 for all claims arising out of a single 166 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,960 accident or occurrence. So, we 167 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,160 recommended I I believe I don't again I 168 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,240 don't have any documentation of this 169 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,680 going back in 2025 and 2004 and and 170 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,840 before that. But, the aggregate limit 171 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,560 that's present on a general liability 172 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,080 insurance policies usually $2 million 173 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,480 and the wording for aggregate, the 174 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,000 definition of an aggregate in that 175 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,880 policy is all claims arising and you 176 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,640 know 177 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,960 out of a single policy year. So, 178 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,400 you're right. There was a disconnect in 179 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,760 what we were asking citizens and and 180 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,479 organizations and the appropriate 181 00:08:34,479 --> 00:08:35,640 structure we we should have had in 182 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,719 place. 183 00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:40,120 >> Okay. 184 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,240 >> Luckily, I don't believe there were any 185 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,920 claims that that arose during that time. 186 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:45,040 Um 187 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,080 >> No, there was no claims, but we 188 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:50,600 Correct me if I'm wrong, Lori or Chad, 189 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,680 that but we required the one and four 190 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:54,080 and therefore 191 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,880 the Lions Club, it was like the 192 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,160 you know, their premium went up 193 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,600 exponentially. 194 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,080 So, therefore they came back and then we 195 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,120 come up with this and the four was never 196 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,920 really necessary is how I'm 197 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,000 understanding it, right? Is that But, 198 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,880 now we also have the umbrella on top of 199 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,240 this moderate and high risk categories. 200 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,040 So, is that a different way of saying 201 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,720 that we have more coverage? 202 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,160 I'm not an insurance guy, so I'm just 203 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,000 asking the bare bottom question here. 204 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,880 >> With this new policy, we will have up to 205 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,440 $4 million or 206 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,839 the the only limit in excess of the $3.5 207 00:09:28,839 --> 00:09:30,000 million 208 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,200 sovereign immunity cap. So, all of the risk that that would be faced by the 209 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,600 city of Washington in in an event like 210 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,720 the Town and Country Fair, Rocks Fest, 211 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,920 or any other large festival um where 212 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,360 we'd be on the hook for no more than 3.5 213 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,960 million. That full limit is now 214 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,560 transferred to the event host. In in 215 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,560 those cases where we have a higher care 216 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:54,720 of duty to verify a liquor license and 217 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,360 make sure security and parking are 218 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,880 arranged and and maybe there there 219 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:05,920 vehicles on site like uh golf carts and uh UTVs, ATVs that are utilized for 220 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,200 facility management and and those are 221 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,960 the cases, the very very few cases in 222 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,080 which the the full 223 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,720 $3 million umbrella, $1 million general 224 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,880 liability limit plus the $3 million 225 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,960 umbrella would be required. And it's my 226 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,320 professional understanding that special 227 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,240 event policies for festivals like this 228 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,760 are really available. 229 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,400 There is a higher premium for a $4 230 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,200 million limit, of course. But 231 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,680 I I I believe that that that that 232 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:36,720 coverage is available in the market you 233 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,320 know, for or events like this. Uh 234 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,480 like those hosted here in the city. 235 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,120 >> Do we know that were they able to get 236 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,360 the insurance they needed because I know 237 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,800 they were concerned that there wasn't 238 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,360 going to be 239 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,360 that company that was going to insure it 240 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,360 for a one-day event. 241 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,440 >> I'm waiting on Rick to get back to me. 242 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,200 We've touched base a couple of times. 243 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,960 He's traveling back 244 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,240 from being out of town and he was going 245 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,320 to talk to me tomorrow. 246 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,000 >> Okay. Yeah, I [laughter] just that's 247 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,640 been the conversation I heard. My 248 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,880 biggest fear is we get to you know 249 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:10,280 >> Sure. 250 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:11,680 >> the end of the line here and they're 251 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:13,720 saying, "Uh-oh, we had it can't get 252 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:14,600 insurance." 253 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,080 >> So, council council, it's my 254 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,480 understanding and and working with the 255 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,800 sheriff and Lori that that we 256 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,640 working towards a grandfathering or some 257 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,240 otherwise exception for this event 258 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,240 because it was already permitted and 259 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,720 planned well before these changes came 260 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:29,440 into place. 261 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:29,760 >> Okay. 262 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,160 >> So, we're not trying to draw draw a hard 263 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,280 and fast line but but again to adopt the 264 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,360 best practices 265 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,640 for the city. 266 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,800 >> Correct. So we're we've asked for them 267 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,640 to quote two policies. 268 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,040 One with the one and three and then one 269 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,840 with the two the two and four. 270 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:45,600 >> Two and two and four. 271 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:46,200 >> Yeah. 272 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,240 >> So 273 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,240 we're asking them to double the per 274 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,480 claim or incident coverage limit from 1 275 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,800 million to 2 million this year. 276 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,840 To more appropriately transfer you know 277 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,440 majority of the risk the city would face 278 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,120 at that event. And 279 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:08,000 you know if these recommendations are adopted you know by the city in the uh 280 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,720 the council. 281 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,200 I believe they would start you know for 282 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,120 any events permitted or planned after 283 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,720 that date. 284 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:16,560 Of approval. 285 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:18,600 >> Right and to Tim's point or 286 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,560 um 287 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:20,840 we have in here that they need to have 288 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,240 it proof of insurance to the parks 289 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,360 office 30 or three weeks before. 290 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,400 It surely wouldn't be right for us 291 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,040 tonight to implement this and then 10 292 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,280 days 293 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,040 require ox. 294 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,520 >> Just to have this. We're talking about 295 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:31,960 one event. 296 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:32,960 >> We won't we 297 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,360 >> Right. So that's kind of where we're at 298 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,680 there. This in all these 299 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:39,040 categories 300 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,080 I guess in my opinion kind of what Tim's 301 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,640 saying are we can we even get this 302 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,680 coverage. We rely on Rick Happ who Rick 303 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:47,600 does a lot of the policies for local. 304 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,000 But I think we need to find a couple 305 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,080 different companies and and back into 306 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,000 the fact that can they insure this for a 307 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,080 one day and what that number is. 308 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:57,839 You know if I want to rent the 309 00:12:57,839 --> 00:13:00,040 auditorium what are my requirements? And 310 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,240 then what's that insurance cost? If it's 311 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:03,760 a thousand or two thousand dollars then 312 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,560 I know that. If it's 15 or 20 then we're 313 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:07,920 never going to rent it Brazilian never 314 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,320 going to rent the auditorium. 315 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,440 >> And that's that's a part of my concern 316 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,120 is are you deterring people from wanting 317 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,600 to take that nice stage that we just 318 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:23,560 built and make it impossible for you to be able to put on event. Because you 319 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:25,720 know obviously at those things where 320 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:26,840 you're you to make your money you're got 321 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,040 to make your money on the concessions 322 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:30,760 and alcohol sales and all the things 323 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,240 besides the ticket. So, yes, those are 324 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,800 all things that are going to be used 325 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:37,560 at most events. 326 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:39,200 You know, that that that are used there, 327 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,200 especially if a let's say a production 328 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,760 company comes to you and sees it, 329 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,160 they're going to get excited about it 330 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:46,320 and then they're not going to be able 331 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,760 to, you know, it's going to be cost 332 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,240 prohibitive to be able to do it. 333 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,040 >> Sure. Um one thing that underwriters 334 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,200 look for is some type of contractual 335 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,560 requirement to carry that limit. So, 336 00:13:57,560 --> 00:14:00,120 they're not going to offer, say, 4 337 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,560 million if the city of Washington 338 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:03,680 doesn't contractually require 339 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:04,040 >> Sure. 340 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,924 >> you to to to have the 3.5 million. 341 00:14:06,924 --> 00:14:08,480 [laughter] So, 342 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,840 um it's a bit of a cart and horse, you 343 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,480 know, situation. You know, when our our 344 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,080 contracting clients, same thing, you 345 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,040 know, if they need a $10 million 346 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,200 umbrella for one project or 347 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,080 you know, their their carrier, usually 348 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,120 if they've been had a long relationship, 349 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,320 can make an exception or or can can 350 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,440 offer that. 351 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,960 >> Special event policies are different. Um 352 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,920 they are one-day events, you know, or 353 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,560 schedule of events like perhaps in the 354 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:34,480 uh the Chamber of Commerce the 355 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,880 situation. 356 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,000 Um and you know, those folks that do 357 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,560 have more uh events do get, you know, 358 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,560 economies of scale in a master policy 359 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,839 program. I know that was brought up, you 360 00:14:46,839 --> 00:14:49,560 know, last year. Um 361 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,480 You know, we could work on vetting a 362 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:52,880 source 363 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,040 uh special event policy to be a 364 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,360 preferred 365 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,000 stop for the city of Washington. 366 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,360 It it would not be an overnight thing. 367 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,440 It would be a 368 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,320 probably 6-month or greater, 369 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,160 you know, program, but 370 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,000 in this exercise, Lori and and uh Casey 371 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,080 and Sherry and I, we've basically have 372 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,640 all the information we need. We know how 373 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,240 many people are going to be at what 374 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,720 event. We know what events have alcohol. 375 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,320 We know, you know, all of that stuff. 376 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,080 And so, I can do a little more research 377 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,120 now that I'm better educated 378 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,720 on that front. 379 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,360 Um 380 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,080 I I think it's more realistic, the scale 381 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,680 of events now that I that's in front of 382 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,200 me. You're right. It it For a $5 million 383 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,920 policy for an event like Ox Fest where 384 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,200 you might have 385 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,080 5,000 people attend. I'm not Yeah, sure. 386 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,080 But, you know, that that's going to run 387 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,400 about 5,000 for the first million and up 388 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:49,760 to 2,500 per million thereafter. So, it it again, if the event is has bounce 389 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,400 houses or the liquor sales from that 390 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,200 event are traditionally maybe higher 391 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,200 than the the gate receipts or, you know, 392 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,560 other other revenues. That's that's kind 393 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,680 of how it's all underwritten in the 394 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,920 special events world. Um and so, now 395 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,880 that we have that information, 396 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,800 if you'd like us to to undergo that 397 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,880 exercise, we'd be happy to do it, 398 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,160 you know, as as your partner in 399 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,320 insurance and risk management. 400 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,320 >> I'd say we wait until find out what Rick 401 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,320 says. If he's got a source for it, then 402 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,400 it 403 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:21,920 >> So, are you familiar with an insurance 404 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,520 company that would write a policy with 405 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,400 these numbers that could give us a 406 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,560 couple of examples along with Rick and a 407 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,200 couple, you know, I guess that would be 408 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,240 our my opinion to back into is this even 409 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,680 feasible for us for an organization? 410 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,920 >> K&K is like the the industry leader in 411 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,040 special event policy. They insure race 412 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,800 cars. They insure concerts, music 413 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,360 venues. American Specialties is an 414 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,800 underwriter for movie productions, 415 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:48,320 concerts, uh music production, artists. 416 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,480 Um so, yeah, Daniel Henry certainly has 417 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,360 uh 418 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,560 a a stable of special event underwriters 419 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,800 that we would go to and could help, you 420 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,560 know, on a 421 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,600 uh complimentary or you know, basis 422 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:02,720 again as as the city's, you know, 423 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,400 partner to help any of these special 424 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,199 event uh sponsors, those Chamber of 425 00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:09,400 Commerce, the the gentleman who 426 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,640 organizes Ox Fest, which I have not 427 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,566 attended, but I hear great things. So, 428 00:17:15,566 --> 00:17:18,429 >> [clears throat] 429 00:17:18,439 --> 00:17:20,000 » It would I think it'd be great only 430 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,199 simply because most of the people that 431 00:17:22,199 --> 00:17:24,560 are from these groups aren't insurance 432 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:25,760 guys either and they're not 433 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,600 professionals at putting on concerts. 434 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,440 They just want to make some money for a 435 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,040 for you know 436 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:32,840 >> Yeah, they're trying to have a 437 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,680 fundraiser and 438 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,400 >> So having that in our in our back 439 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,040 pocket, I think would be nice to be able 440 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,080 to have some ammunition to say go here and here. 441 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,280 >> And does it matter if it's a 442 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,400 non-for-profit as opposed to profit in 443 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,320 that world or is it insurance required 444 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:49,560 no matter what? 445 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,480 >> Um 446 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,080 We we would put together basically an 447 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,200 application on behalf of the city for a 448 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,200 city sponsored event program where the 449 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,480 city's not the named insured but offers 450 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,840 it as a third-party 451 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,440 you know, sponsored basis and then 452 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,920 we would look at these larger events 453 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,000 with a five or six that are going to be 454 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,080 you know, maybe in that that the level 455 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,880 four category and take that information 456 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,840 and be able to offer some general 457 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,840 pricing and and 458 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,600 bring that information back uh and so 459 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,200 compare it to what their current costs 460 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,400 are. 461 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,920 >> And then I think we it also goes with 462 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,040 you know, the chamber takes care of 463 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,640 their own with the fair and other events 464 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,920 they have a year long 465 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:29,520 >> Sure and 466 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,120 >> Downtown Washington. 467 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,040 Three, four events that they have and 468 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,320 that's good spread that cost out over 469 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,760 all three events, four events, whatever 470 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,000 it may be but maybe it's worth having 471 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,640 they might want that information also to 472 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,920 know another option. 473 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,000 >> Well, to know that these events are 474 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,680 being you know, vetted by the city and 475 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,440 the parks department and permitted and 476 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,400 going through a certain process every 477 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,400 time that that's a certain you know, um 478 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,560 uh 479 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,320 box checked that underwriters like to 480 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:57,840 see the certain process followed every 481 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,920 time and and all possible risk 482 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,240 management efforts in place. So 483 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,360 >> Any other questions or comments? 484 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:06,520 >> I just think the other thing to think 485 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,760 about looking 486 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,680 what you handed us here since 487 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,360 22 we've been north of $3 488 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:13,200 >> Right. 489 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,400 And it's going up about 3% every year. 490 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,480 So, to put something in black and white 491 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:18,640 that says this is where we're going to 492 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,040 be, we might need to have something 493 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,640 that's tied to a CPI or whatever this 494 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,040 comes out at next year. At some point, 495 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,400 it's going to jump the $4 million mark 496 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,480 and 497 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,440 we'll be back looking at what's our 498 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:31,520 risk. 499 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,418 So. 500 00:19:34,428 --> 00:19:34,800 » [clears throat] 501 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,200 >> So, is this something that council would 502 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,560 like to table and then bring back later? 503 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,000 >> I'd be in favor of tabling right now to 504 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:41,800 understand all of this. 505 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,320 >> We gather information and then before we 506 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:44,600 adopt this, 507 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,360 it'd be worth more information. 508 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:47,720 >> I mean, we're really 509 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,000 you're looking at Ox Fest, which is 510 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000 already right on the horizon. And beyond 511 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,000 that, 512 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,720 what else 513 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,240 would fall into this? 514 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:56,720 >> Sure. I would hate to give any 515 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:57,800 >> will downtown. 516 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:58,520 >> Yeah. 517 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,560 >> We got Friends of Aaron. 518 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,800 >> All of it's so close that I have a hard 519 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,320 time saying, "Here it is. Bring me your 520 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,760 insurance certificate tomorrow." So. 521 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,560 >> And I I believe the the couple of the 522 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,200 other larger organizations already met 523 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,240 this requirement as well with with a a 524 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:17,040 3-year $4 million umbrella in place. So, 525 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,080 um I think there were down to two or 526 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,800 three organizations that were not 527 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,880 already 528 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,920 in compliance. And so, I I I'd love to 529 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,360 explore the master plan if the city 530 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:27,880 would like us to do that. I would hate 531 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,240 to hold up the implementation of of the 532 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,720 um 533 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,800 at least part of this. You know, the 534 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,280 even the tier one eases the requirements 535 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,640 for the vast majority of uh citizens and 536 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,600 organizations. So, 537 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:45,880 um 538 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,520 approving it does 539 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,920 provide a lot of immediate 540 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,360 administrative um clarity for the board 541 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:55,080 at least again on on tier one or two. 542 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,520 And you could suggest a date to be 543 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,880 implemented by the first of the year or 544 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:01,840 any any date in the future. You know, 545 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,400 the our our 546 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,840 main focus was was to your point, a 547 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,760 councilman Patki, 548 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,640 getting the aggregate terminology and 549 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,400 the per occurrence uh sovereign immunity 550 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,400 limits aligned. So, I think we're we're 551 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,120 all aligned now, so whatever decisions 552 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:18,440 we make and and we're completely 553 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,960 flexible. Again, there's no insurance 554 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,800 requirements from our carrier partners 555 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,800 that we implement these. These are just 556 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,800 best practices and um 557 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,840 the work product of of the parks 558 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,280 department, myself sitting down 559 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,000 on at least uh 560 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,800 two occasions in person and in a couple 561 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:36,440 uh 562 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,200 conference calls, so. 563 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,280 >> Well, I don't want to speak for the rest 564 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,280 of council, just so that we get this 565 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,320 clear. I think we're good with the 566 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,960 category breakdown here, 567 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,840 right? So, as as a document going 568 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,920 forward, I think we're in favor of that. 569 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,440 It's just a matter of tabling it until 570 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,880 we get 571 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:52,920 I don't want to approve it tonight. 572 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:58,840 >> Sure. Sure, and I'm just trying to meet the needs or or uh goals of of uh 573 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,880 the folks I've worked with on the 574 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,520 administrative side. So. 575 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,480 >> I'd like to understand that 576 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,160 an Oktoberfest or Alliance Club would be 577 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,800 able to get what we're requiring. 578 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,760 >> I think we'll 579 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,120 >> Is there someone out there that will 580 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:11,360 insure it? Because right now what I'm 581 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,800 hearing is they're not finding anybody 582 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,800 yet. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, 583 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,440 and I'm sure you can find it, but 584 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,880 without knowing that, I have a hard time 585 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,640 saying, "Yeah, let's put this in place." 586 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,880 Just to come back and change it. 587 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,840 >> Okay, so moving forward, we'll 588 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:27,160 >> Sure. 589 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,960 >> We'll meet again, and then we'll table 590 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,720 it, and then come back. 591 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,440 >> Right. And and tabling it means that 592 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,200 Brewfest is required I mean uh 593 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,640 Oktoberfest required to one and three 594 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,520 like they had before, and the Brewfest 595 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,560 also. That's what they were before was 596 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:41,200 one and three. 597 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,600 >> We're just going to leave everything as 598 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:42,680 is. 599 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,200 >> That that's going to stay the same as 600 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,320 is. 601 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,160 And then when we implement, then we have 602 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,560 to look at what is pending, 603 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,160 I guess. Right, Casey? Yes. 604 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,440 >> You got to watch that. You can do a 605 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,560 calendar year at a time. So, if you 606 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,640 somebody comes in tomorrow and books it, it doesn't bring us up. 607 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,480 >> But so, I guess I'm just And that's what 608 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,040 I'm saying is is that when we know 609 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,200 who's going to book it for next year 610 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,440 already, 611 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,360 that are we going to tell Casey to hold 612 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,040 off on insurance or on cost? 613 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,320 >> I could offer another suggestion that 614 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,720 might you might approve 615 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,440 change in policy to adopt a 1 million 616 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,520 per occurrence, 2 million aggregate 617 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,040 limit for all 618 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,680 private events 619 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,120 immediately. 620 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,760 And for the private events even you're 621 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,520 requiring a 2 million dollar limit you 622 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,040 don't have to 623 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,480 >> You can still just do the one two or one 624 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,560 three. There's not a lot of benefit to 625 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,600 the the three million aggregate because 626 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,600 you'd have to have three 627 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,920 claims or multiple claims 628 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,960 in the single event for that aggregate 629 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,600 to have an impact because it's an it's a 630 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,800 calendar year aggregate or 631 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,160 policy year 632 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,200 term aggregate. So, again um 633 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,560 amending it to 1 million per occurrence, 634 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,080 2 million dollars aggregate limit 635 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,520 immediately eases the burden and puts 636 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,520 the 637 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,560 requirements in line with how policies 638 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,320 are written on a daily basis. 639 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,560 And then 640 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,200 um 641 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,920 you could optionally also require an 642 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,160 additional 1 million dollar umbrella 643 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,840 for these other limits. 644 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,400 And it's kind of the Solomon's baby 645 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,440 solution and you could do that on a 646 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,680 calendar 647 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,000 date basis so that no new 648 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,440 events 649 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,520 um 650 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,440 with a higher hazard criteria and it 651 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:27,760 slipped through. Even 652 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,400 going from 1 million per occurrence to 653 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,080 the 1 million occurrence 654 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,560 and the 1 million umbrella 655 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,360 would be a 656 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:37,440 kind of step towards where we're 657 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,160 heading. 658 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,480 And again, 659 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,240 uh to to Casey's point, would address 660 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,800 the calendar year application 661 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,120 concern. 662 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,280 So, it's just an option. 663 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,390 Um 664 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,800 And we just we would change this 665 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,720 document to to tier four two through 666 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,800 four 667 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,840 where it's you know 668 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,240 the insurance requirements are are 669 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,320 higher 670 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,480 or or we could table it. Maybe I'm 671 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,590 complicating things. 672 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,400 » Thank you, Council. 673 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,280 >> to table. 674 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,400 >> Second. 675 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,640 >> Motion by Bear, second by Briggs to 676 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,960 table 677 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,240 the 678 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,920 category one through four table for 679 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,080 future information. Is that right? 680 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,200 All those in favor? 681 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,120 >> Aye. 682 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,840 >> Any opposed? 683 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,840 Three to vote. 684 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,320 Passes. Thank you for being here, John, 685 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:30,760 for that. 686 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:31,440 >> Thank you. Thank you. 687 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,960 >> We're and just to clarify, we're going 688 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,200 to stay with one and three, correct? 689 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,240 >> We're going to stay the way we are, 690 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,320 right, Council? 691 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,720 >> Yeah. 692 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,360 >> That's what I would 693 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:40,440 >> Council suggested we could go to one and 694 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,600 two, but one and three we've been 695 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,560 working with and we're there 696 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,320 and we can do that 697 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,080 and we'll have more information next. 698 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,120 >> And just get the details on 699 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,560 what those folks can obtain and if it's 700 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,120 obtainable so that we can understand 701 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,680 this a little better. 702 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,720 >> What's the income though for like 703 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,400 Brewfest or Oktoberfest that comes in 704 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,680 tomorrow? 705 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,040 To do that, we're just going to table 706 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,880 that cuz 707 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,360 >> I would say it's already booked for this 708 00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:06,560 year. Don't book anything past that 709 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,040 until 710 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,600 >> not not not for this year. I'm saying 711 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,200 next year 712 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,640 >> That's what I'm that's what I mean. I'm 713 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,200 just saying you already have it established for this 714 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,160 year. 715 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,240 Next year is going to be subject to the 716 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,240 change that we make after 717 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,280 the information comes in. 718 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,480 >> I just want to clarify 719 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,040 >> Sure, I'm with you. I agree. 720 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,440 >> And I'm assuming they know that and 721 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,840 they're already shopping to see what 722 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,120 they can get and what how it's going to 723 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:32,880 affect. 724 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:33,360 >> So 725 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:34,200 >> That's what I'm saying. 726 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,720 >> I think everybody knows that, but I just 727 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,520 want to make sure everybody's clear what 728 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,240 we 729 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,120 >> Yeah. 730 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:41,040 >> I would hope that we have talked with 731 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,720 the organizations and they understand 732 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,240 that you know, we have risk here and 733 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,440 we've got to look at what we can do to 734 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,040 mitigate the risk. 735 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,120 So, if we haven't, we need to. 736 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:50,840 >> It has been relayed to some of the 737 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,720 organizations, Casey. Correct me if I'm 738 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:53,400 wrong. 739 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:54,360 >> They're just a couple of them that 740 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,000 >> it this way this year, but then going 741 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,600 forward, it's going to be the new 742 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:58,000 limits. 743 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,040 >> Yeah. So then, I I completely agree with 744 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,640 that. 745 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,640 >> Yeah. 746 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,520 >> All right. Thanks. 747 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,440 >> Thanks, Jeff. 748 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,830 Casey. [clears throat] 749 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,960 » Casey and John again, and Lori, thank 750 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,360 you for all your hard work. Appreciate 751 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:11,480 it. 752 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,080 >> Yeah, and 753 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,280 >> Thank you. Continuing it, too. 754 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,600 >> Yeah, continuing it. I'm not done yet. 755 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,960 >> We'll get it right. 756 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:17,280 >> Thank you. 757 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:17,920 >> Thanks. [clears throat] 758 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,760 >> Thank you. 759 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,040 >> Building Department, drywall 760 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,640 inspections, new residential 761 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:29,470 construction, and commercial projects. 762 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:30,880 » Good evening, Council. 763 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,670 Um 764 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,320 and city administrator, sorry. 765 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:36,000 Uh 766 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,840 I just wanted to bring to your 767 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,120 attention, we're going to start doing 768 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:41,000 drywall inspections. Um something that 769 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,240 we've done a few [clears throat] of in 770 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,440 the past. Um mostly on larger commercial 771 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,320 uh 772 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,120 three and four-story buildings, uh where 773 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,400 we've got rated corridors and stuff. But 774 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,880 the plan now is to move that to all the 775 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,240 residential. 776 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,000 Um we've got some pretty big townhome 777 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,080 developments uh coming in, where we've 778 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,640 got um fire separations between all of 779 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,680 the the units. Uh we feel that that's 780 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,000 important that we get in there and make 781 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,320 sure those drywall inspections are done. 782 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,440 Um those kind of compartmentalize these 783 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,760 things um 784 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,080 basically from the foundation all the 785 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,560 way to the roof deck. Um we get to see 786 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,240 some of that. Um but right now, what 787 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,680 we're doing is um 788 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,360 the uh rough-in framing, electrical, and 789 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,680 plumbing inspections, and then we don't 790 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,040 see the buildings again until they're 791 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,520 finaled out. So, this gives us another 792 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,440 chance to go in and make sure they're 793 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,680 putting the right drywall in the right 794 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,360 places um in all the right manners um to 795 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:33,499 compartmentalize [cough] 796 00:28:33,499 --> 00:28:35,640 [clears throat] um those fire 797 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,240 firewalls. 798 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,739 So, really I'm just just here to 799 00:28:38,739 --> 00:28:39,840 [clears throat] bring you up to speed. 800 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,600 If you get get uh questions from 801 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,200 uh any of the builders around town or 802 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,200 anything, um you know, we've got a bunch 803 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,520 of big developments getting ready to get 804 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,560 started, so kind of felt like now is the 805 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,800 time to do it. Uh, we anticipate maybe 806 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:54,640 it's going to average about one 807 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,640 inspection per day over the course of a 808 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,680 year. 809 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,040 Um, 810 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,760 something like that. You know, I it's 811 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,920 just kind of what we're anticipating. 812 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,880 So, it's going to be a little bit of 813 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,640 additional burden, but it's not going to 814 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000 be terrible for us to to um make that 815 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,400 happen, so. 816 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,200 >> But, Blake, you already have the 817 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,880 requirements already in place in the 818 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,360 building code. This is just an 819 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,960 opportunity to inspect 820 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,200 >> Correct. Additional time. 821 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:16,920 >> That's that's correct. 822 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,040 >> doing it right. Yeah. 823 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,240 >> Yeah. And and they're doing these 824 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,120 drywall inspections in the county in the 825 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,800 city Union. I believe in the city of 826 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,000 Pacific they're already doing these 827 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,360 drywall inspections, so it's not going 828 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,080 to be anything new for any of the 829 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,320 builders that I know of. I've talked to 830 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,080 a couple of them already. They they 831 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,360 anticipated that we were doing them and 832 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,440 we're not. So, it's it's not going to be 833 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,360 a surprise, so. 834 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:37,560 Shouldn't be too big of a deal, I don't 835 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,440 think. 836 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,760 >> You're going to communicate this to the 837 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,120 contractors, I guess. 838 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,585 >> Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. 839 00:29:43,585 --> 00:29:43,600 >> [clears throat] 840 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,560 >> I'll be and and we're 841 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,280 we don't have a hard fast date on this. 842 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,720 We're we're going to just slowly slowly 843 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,280 push this out to them. 844 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,360 All the new developments we're going to 845 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,120 be doing it. The developments out on 846 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,120 Becker Road, you know, we're going to 847 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,280 talk to them and say, "Hey, any new 848 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,400 construction you're going to be required 849 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,920 to do it." 850 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:00,920 Anything [snorts] that's under 851 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,000 construction currently, 852 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,160 maybe they do them, maybe they don't. 853 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,640 Maybe it's kind of a warm up. They're 854 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,840 going to try to remember to call them 855 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,200 in, but we're going to we're we're 856 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,200 obviously going to miss some. We're not 857 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,200 going to see them all. So, the idea is 858 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,080 to do the best job that we can do to try 859 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,040 to help them and help the customer get 860 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,400 um a better product, hopefully. 861 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,280 So. 862 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:20,640 >> Okay. 863 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,360 You do it before you do it before they 864 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,200 hang the drywall or after? 865 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,600 >> Af- after they hang the drywall. We want 866 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,120 to see that there's 5/8 drywall where 867 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,760 there's supposed to be 5/8, 1/2 in um 868 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,520 green board in the in the wet rooms in 869 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,080 the bathrooms and stuff. That's what 870 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,120 we're looking for. 871 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,520 >> Cuz you do the blocking inspection with 872 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:37,920 the plumbing and electric. 873 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:38,920 >> Correct. 874 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,760 That's correct. 875 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,880 >> Okay. 876 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:42,320 >> Anything else? 877 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,800 >> Any other Any other for Blake? 878 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:45,000 >> Hey, 879 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:45,360 >> Thank you. 880 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,760 >> I will ask you one question. This is 881 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,440 kind of to Kevin and you both, but I was 882 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:51,520 had a conversation with a couple of our 883 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,480 city employees last week, and they were 884 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,960 going to a particular business to clean 885 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,960 out their grease trap 886 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,800 and our sewer again. 887 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,560 And I'm only going by employees' words. 888 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,400 We've gone there. 889 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,800 What do they get charged? Do are we Do 890 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,440 we have something in place where if 891 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,840 someone's not complying with our grease 892 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,520 trap or sewer 893 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,800 Is that something through 894 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,520 building codes for Blake, or does Kevin 895 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:17,440 take care of that? 896 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,400 >> Uh I take care of that in my department. 897 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880 And yes, we can charge them. It's just 898 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,920 been 899 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,600 because Washington's always been such a 900 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,640 friendly community, we've avoided 901 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,640 charging it. However, they will be 902 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,720 receiving the bill for the 2 days of 903 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,800 labor, the two trucks that were there, 904 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,760 the vac truck that was there, 905 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,200 and anything else that happened to come 906 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,400 up with it, yes. 907 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:38,760 >> Good. Like I said, I don't get told this 908 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,080 all the time. 909 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,760 >> And it's moving forward from here this 910 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,640 point on. Anybody that causes a problem 911 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,240 like that will get charged labor charges 912 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,520 from from Washington. 913 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,120 >> Okay. Sorry, Blake. It wasn't I thought 914 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,640 maybe it went through building and 915 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,040 >> we do work together on that. So, it's that's Yeah. 916 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,200 >> All right. Thank you. 917 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,880 >> That's in process right now. 918 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:00,510 >> Perfect. Thank you. 919 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,280 » Engineering Department High Street 920 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,200 Project Supplemental Agreement Number 921 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,750 Two. 922 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,520 » Good evening, Council. Uh this is just 923 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,120 cleaning up our contract with uh HDR 924 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,680 who's doing our construction inspection 925 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,760 uh for the High Street project. Um they 926 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,360 just had a completion date of December 927 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,560 31st, 2025. Obviously, we're already 928 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,000 past that date. 929 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 Um so, we're moving it out 60 days past 930 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,440 the completion of the construction, 931 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:26,560 which is 932 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,040 February 13th, 2027. 933 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,360 We just got to make sure it's in place 934 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:31,720 so that it doesn't mess up our 935 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,400 reimbursements since it's tied to the 936 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,040 grant, so. 937 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 >> You said December 31st this contract end 938 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:38,840 or to be completed? 939 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:39,080 >> Uh 940 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,880 >> this for the construction inspection was 941 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,240 December 31st of 25. They just had like 942 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,560 the wrong date in there. We just had it 943 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,480 from previous when we started all this 944 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,360 grant back in 21, you know. Um but the 945 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,040 actual completion of construction is 946 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:53,600 December 15th 947 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,920 of this year. 948 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,680 >> You think they're going to make that? 949 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,320 >> They're pretty confident, so we'll see 950 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,190 how that goes. 951 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,760 » Thank you. 952 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,880 >> Yeah. 953 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,080 >> I'll make a motion send it on. 954 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,800 >> Second. 955 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,560 >> Motion by Bear, second by Briggs to send 956 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,520 uh 957 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,960 item 3C on to council. All those in 958 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:12,720 favor? 959 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,280 >> Aye. 960 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,800 >> Any opposed? 961 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,400 By your vote, we move to council. Thank 962 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,840 you. 963 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,960 >> Fire department fire station one mowing 964 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:27,190 bid. 965 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,640 » Good evening council and admin. 966 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,800 Uh station fire station one opened 967 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,880 before the contract was or after the 968 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,520 contract was let. So the uh grass 969 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,880 cutting bid for the new firehouse does 970 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,360 not is not included in the in the uh 971 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,560 contract. This is a request to extend 972 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,590 that at $100 per cutting. 973 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,640 Please. 974 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,360 >> Guys are tired of doing it in the heat. 975 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,160 >> I don't know what Well, yeah. 976 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,440 We got the hoses picked up finally. 977 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,320 We've got the lawn established as far as 978 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,360 we're going to be able to get it. 979 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,360 >> Right. 980 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:01,680 >> That's why we were holding off was 981 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,080 because of the all we didn't want to buy 982 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,150 garden hoses. 983 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,960 » Any questions for chief for mowing at 984 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080 the new fire station? 985 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:10,800 >> Make motion. 986 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,840 >> Second. 987 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,720 >> Motion by Holtmeier, second by Hydrick 988 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:14,760 to send to council. 989 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,000 >> All those in favor? 990 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:16,560 >> Aye. 991 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,000 >> Any opposed? 992 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,280 By your vote, we move to council. Thank 993 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:19,879 you. 994 00:34:19,879 --> 00:34:21,320 >> Inflatable boat motor and trailer 995 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,840 purchase. 996 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,960 >> Yes. Uh during the flooding in 997 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,560 Lesterville, we sent our uh inflatable 998 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,760 boat down to there down there. Uh and it did very well, made a number of 999 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,000 rescues uh while I was down there. 1000 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,919 Unfortunately, eight of eight boats that 1001 00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:37,360 went down there were significantly 1002 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,159 damaged including ours. 1003 00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:41,800 Um in the meantime, I spoke with state 1004 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,080 emergency management said, "Hey, we got 1005 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,840 a problem. We ate all these boats up. 1006 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,080 What are we doing when we have the next 1007 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,480 rain?" And at that time Missouri State 1008 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,200 Patrol had a boat that was preparing to 1009 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,240 go to surplus and it was loaned to us. 1010 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:54,879 Um 1011 00:34:54,879 --> 00:34:56,600 in further discussions, that boat was 1012 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,160 offered to us at $3,000. 1013 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,680 Um started doing some research and found 1014 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,200 out that the motor alone is worth about 1015 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,800 2,700. The trailer is about 1,500. Start 1016 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,200 doing the math. We're getting it for 1017 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,800 somewhere between 33% and 50% of cost. 1018 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,720 Um so I'd like to make the 1019 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,280 recommendation to purchase the boat. 1020 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,280 What we find in these in these water 1021 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,360 events, uh typically what we have is 1022 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,200 multiple events simultaneously. It's not 1023 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,040 just one creek flooding at one time. 1024 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,360 It's all the creeks flooding at once. 1025 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,160 And so having additional resource would 1026 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,720 be valuable. The one that was damaged is 1027 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:29,440 in North Carolina currently being 1028 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,720 repaired and hopefully sent home before 1029 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,710 too terribly long. 1030 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,160 » Is it one of those that have both boats 1031 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,800 on one trailer or is it on two separate 1032 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,160 >> Two separate trailers, two separate 1033 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,680 households. 1034 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,840 Up to two vehicles for both. 1035 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,720 >> I'll make a motion. 1036 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:45,360 >> Second. 1037 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,880 >> Motion by Pepsol, second by Hydrick to 1038 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,360 send the inflatable boat purchase on to 1039 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:51,699 council. 1040 00:35:51,699 --> 00:35:51,760 >> [clears throat] 1041 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,560 >> Any other discussion? All those in 1042 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,320 favor? 1043 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:54,880 >> Aye. 1044 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,440 >> Any opposed? 1045 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,680 By your vote, we'll move to council. 1046 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:58,160 Thank you. 1047 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,870 >> Thank you. 1048 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:10,270 » Any other department heads? 1049 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,000 » Good evening, council. Uh I just want to 1050 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,240 let you all know that the Titus Twister 1051 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,840 odor removal equipment that you all 1052 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,280 approved us to purchase came in early. 1053 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,200 Um it is installed. We got it installed 1054 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,920 on Friday. It has been running since 1055 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,760 Friday. Um 1056 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,320 starting up I went on Saturday. You 1057 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,160 could still smell smell some odor. 1058 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,840 Sunday a little bit. I did a little bit 1059 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,720 adjustments on the machine and by 1060 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,920 Monday, I couldn't smell the odor. So, 1061 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,080 Mike, how's it doing for you? 1062 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,200 >> I have to ask you cuz you live down 1063 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,480 there. 1064 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:36,880 >> been home much this weekend, but I'm 1065 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,920 assuming it's okay. 1066 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,000 >> Okay. So, today [laughter] 1067 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,320 I was down there and it smelled good. 1068 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,200 So, it is it is it is working doing what 1069 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,920 it had to do demo had done. So, just 1070 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,200 wanted to let you all know it's in and working. So, we put it inside the 1071 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,880 building. You can't even hear it hear it 1072 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,160 run. So, there'll be no noise down there 1073 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,520 and and it'll do its job. So, 1074 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,720 >> Okay. 1075 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:55,880 >> Good fix. Thank you. 1076 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:56,920 >> Thank you, Kevin. 1077 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:57,855 >> All right. 1078 00:36:57,855 --> 00:37:02,630 >> [clears throat] 1079 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,680 » Anyone else? 1080 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,240 >> I have a question to either Charles or 1081 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:09,040 Aaron, maybe Charles since Blake left. 1082 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,360 Um 1083 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,240 It's a touchy subject here, but I just 1084 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,520 like 1085 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,840 I've had a few people ask me about this. 1086 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,400 The alley is having some events that are 1087 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,280 some people feel less appropriate than 1088 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,240 others. 1089 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,400 Um do we have a system in place where 1090 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,240 they're not having 1091 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,880 so-called adult events where the kids 1092 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,000 are at the arcade? 1093 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,080 Are you familiar with what I'm asking? 1094 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,920 >> I I just heard about some of this this 1095 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,760 morning, um but didn't 1096 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,240 Really? 1097 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,160 >> Yeah, I mean I I I can I can look into 1098 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,520 that. I I don't have a good answer for 1099 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,920 you right now, but I'm I'm more than 1100 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,400 happy to look into, you know, the 1101 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,600 specifics. So, 1102 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,080 >> I mean, obviously some people feel at a 1103 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,680 different level of, you know, 1104 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,120 complaining, but I guess from a city 1105 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,520 standpoint, do we have something in 1106 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,640 place that would be good to know? 1107 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:54,800 Um 1108 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,000 >> Sure. Yeah, I'm more than happy to 1109 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,160 provide you a report on 1110 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:57,840 >> breaking the rules on 1111 00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,040 >> our adult entertainment 1112 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,440 >> Specifically, it's rules. 1113 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,160 >> The events are fine, but it's that the 1114 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,160 kids are there. 1115 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,840 >> Well, I mean, 1116 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,400 personally for me, yeah, I think the 1117 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:07,640 events are inappropriate. There's no 1118 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,200 doubt about that. I don't but I guess my 1119 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,640 question to you is is there anything in 1120 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,800 our city ordinance or anything like that prohibits them from having that? 1121 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,600 And I guess my biggest fear goes back to 1122 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,120 the fact that we're 1123 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,760 promoting this business as an arcade and 1124 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,040 then we're going to have certain adult 1125 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,880 events there seems completely 1126 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,480 inappropriate. So 1127 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,920 someone did tell me that they were 1128 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,600 downstairs. They renovated the basement 1129 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,920 for that. So is there something else? 1130 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:34,200 I don't know. 1131 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,800 Um it's just kind of eye-opening and 1132 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,480 something that we have 1133 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,040 on our main street and I'd like to know 1134 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,600 what's allowed and what's in our 1135 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,520 city ordinance. 1136 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,200 >> Sure. I'll get back to you with an email 1137 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,040 regarding our adult entertainment rules 1138 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,840 and how that applies there. So thank 1139 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:49,200 you. 1140 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,040 >> Aaron, can you send 1141 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,680 >> everybody one on that? Include everybody 1142 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:52,000 on that. 1143 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:52,720 >> Absolutely. Yes. 1144 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:53,791 >> Thank you. 1145 00:38:53,791 --> 00:38:55,520 >> [clears throat] 1146 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,640 >> Any other questions for department 1147 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,470 heads? 1148 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,840 All right. Seeing none, Sherry, we'll go 1149 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,680 to executive session. 1150 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,360 >> Executive session, public vote on 1151 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,920 whether or not to hold a closed meeting 1152 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,720 to discuss personnel, legal, or real 1153 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,040 estate matters 1154 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,960 pursuant to section 610.021 1155 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,240 RSMO 2000. Bear? 1156 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:16,040 >> Yes. 1157 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:16,480 >> Briggs? 1158 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,200 >> Yes. 1159 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,640 >> Coulter? 1160 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:18,360 >> Yes. 1161 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:19,000 >> Highridge? 1162 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:19,520 >> Hi. 1163 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,040 >> Holtman? 1164 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:20,560 >> Hi. 1165 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,080 >> Hackney? 1166 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:21,520 >> Yes. 1167 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:21,960 >> Hapsel? 1168 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,080 >> Yes. 1169 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,280 >> Thank you, folks. We'll see you back at 1170 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,240 7:00.