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We're at 6:05, whenever you're ready.
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Just trying to make sure I hit the right
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Okay, that button was about to fall off
for some reason.

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» Good evening. Call to order
the regular quorum court finance and

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budget committee for May.
Thank you all for coming. Welcome.

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We'll start with the prayer prayer and
pledge and JP Washington is will

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provide that.

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» Thank you.
Please bow your heads for a word of

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prayer if that is your custom and if not
you can enjoy a moment of silence.

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» [clears throat]
>> Lord, we thank you for the opportunity

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to be here for this meeting tonight. We
acknowledge that all wisdom, authority,

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and justice comes from you.
Your word declares that out of the

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abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
So, let our words tonight flow from

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hearts
filled with wisdom, integrity,

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compassion, humility, and a sincere
desire to serve the citizens of

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Washington County well.
I thank you that every discussion or

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debate tonight is guided by integrity
and respect.

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» [snorts]
>> Thank you for removing pride, agendas,

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contention, and replacing them with
humility and understanding.

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Lord, protect this atmosphere from
confusion, hostility, and distraction.

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We pray for productive dialogue,
thoughtful solutions, and outcomes that

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will benefit the people of this county.
We thank you for every unique

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perspective and area of expertise that
each of the justices bring and we thank

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you that wise counsel emerges in this
room because in the multitude of

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counselors there is safety. May
everything done tonight reflect justice,

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righteousness, and a heart to serve.
This we pray. Amen.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you, JP Washington.
Item three is the adoption of the

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agenda.
JP Ricker.

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» I make a motion to move items number
eight, nine, and 10 to positions four,

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five, and six.

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» Was that JP Coger second? JP
>> Hires.

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Hires.
>> Thank you.

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We have a motion by JP Ricker to move
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up to above four.
Um the reason is we we have some support

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staff that needs to get to graduations
tonight. So, these are the things that I

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think we've had legal questions on. I
want to make sure we have the support

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for that and then move on from there. I
got a motion by JP Ricker, a second by

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JP Hires. All those in favor say I.
All those opposed?

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That passes.

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Entertain a motion to approve the
amended agenda. JP Ricker.

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» Second.
>> Second by JP Washington. All those in

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favor say I.
All those opposed?

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With that, moving to what was item
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Comptroller Sherman has some information
on the CRI update, some some numbers

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that he's put together he wants to
provide

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um for the rest of us. He He handed this
out

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to the horseshoe when he came in this
evening.

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» Okay, good good evening everyone.
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Justice Pond asked me last
meeting to try to come up with a cost

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analysis uh by bed or by
detainee that we have in the CRI. So,

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that's sort of what's
brought on this talking paper. So, that

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first year there, the grant year,
and I want to talk in grant years, too,

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because that's how the money flows. So,
and and when we we run on the calendar

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year, this grant runs on the federal
fiscal year. How it comes down is

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managed by DFNA, but I'm pretty sure
it's federal money.

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Uh so, the first year there one 1
October 24 to 30 September

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uh we did an ordinance for 575,000.
That was basically to start the program

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up. Some of that though was a match for
the first year's grant. So, if you see

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the first year's grant was 355
uh thousand and if you remember how we

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do the 75%
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uh so, that it's not 70 it's not uh 25%
of that 355. That 355 is 75% the total,

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so we have to put the other 25. So, if
you do the math, that was 118,000.

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So, I considered the additional 456,000
uh as startup cost on uh getting getting

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the program rolling.
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there was during during this time period
there was 154 days and uh we were

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communicated with the sheriff and worked
with the sheriff to get the average cost

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per detention officer and that includes
benefits, all that kind of stuff. So, if

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they take health insurance,
uh their holiday incentive pay,

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overtime, all that kind of stuff. We
looked at each officer that's assigned

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there and came up with an average that
they make that cost the county uh $40.53

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when you add everything together.
So, they were there if you

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basically you have two officers on staff
all time. So, you'd multiply that two

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two times uh 400 four $40.53
and then they're they're 24 hours a day

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times 24 and then how many days are
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uh they were there 154 days during this
grant period. Uh so, that's where that

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299 comes from.
Um I added this since I sent this out

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via email the initial buildings and
grounds cost. Uh talked to uh

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Director Ledgerwood, and they basically
put $17,000

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of work into converting the um the old
CSU into the CRI.

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Um utilities, uh
that was actual cost. Uh I could I could

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look those up for that building. So it
was 14,000 for the number of months, and

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basically the program started uh in
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So from April of '25 to uh September is
where those numbers come from. Those are

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actual numbers. And then of course that
year the grant was 355,000

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uh
for that that was reim- reimbursable.

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The way it works is they tell us the
number, and then we submit it to them,

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uh okay, this is what qualifies. We
submit to the government this is what we

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did this month, and then they send us
reimbursement. Up to 355,000.

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So that's how that works.
Is there any questions on the first

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grant year before I move on to the
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grant year?
>> JP Coger?

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» Yes, thank you. Um Mr. Sherman, I have
the same questions about uh

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that we've been going back and forth
with today, but why wouldn't

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ground initial building and ground cost
and utilities be income?

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» Why would it be? Well, I don't
truthfully I don't see anything as

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income. What I just talk about is
funding sources, like where is it coming

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from?
Uh and buildings and grounds went in

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there, and so that's a true county cost
to me. So when I'm doing these, the

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funding sources really are
interchangeable with cost to me because

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uh
you know, we're not in the business to

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make profit or be in deficit, so it's
the the buildings and grounds, whatever

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they need to do on that is like I'm
recognizing it as a cost. I'm not I'm

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not saying that it's revenue, you know
what I mean?

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» I don't
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» I I thought it was because it's under
funding source.

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» Yeah, but but every cost has to have a
funding source like in my mind, so

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because if you don't that would mean
it's not appropriated by you guys and

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then we'd be breaking the law, so.
>> Okay, thank you very much.

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» Um.

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So, on the second grant year, this is
really an estimate of what I foresee the

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full year going. Uh,
so it started at 1 October of 25 and it

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runs through 30 September
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So,
our uh, match there, the ordinance uh,

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uh,
uh, 2025-73, our match was 94,000

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basically.
So, now the detention officers, it's the

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same calculation except that 4023
uh, times 24 hours times two officers is

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times 365 because that's they're going
to be in there every single day. So,

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that's where that 710 comes from, so
it's that's the big biggest expense down

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there right now is the detention
officers with the benefits and salaries.

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So, it's 710,000 to cover
two people being on staff 24 hours a

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day, 365 days a year.
Uh, then utilities, basically what I did

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is I looked at an average
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um,
the utilities

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since it since the the inception of this
because in the beginning there wasn't

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that many people there, so they they
what we what we saw was the water bill

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go up some. In the beginning you didn't
have that much. So now the water bill so

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I'm pretty sure that that's a a decent
number. So $2,400 a month for utilities

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times 12 28,000.
Now the mental health services, that's

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what that's the proposed ordinance
that's on the docket tonight. And that's

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169,000
to provide mental health services.

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And then the state and federal grant is
284,000.

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That's that's the 75% of the total. The
94,000

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is 25% which were required required to
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So if you take all those numbers the the
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anything that the county pays. So the
94,000

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the 710 like I don't I don't view the
710 as revenue or income. I just view

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the funding source was the sheriff's
office is covering that. So none of the

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grant pays for that. That's all coming
out of the the county's hide and the

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sheriff's budget. So that's where that
comes from right now. And then the

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28,000 and then if you pass the 169,000
that's the true cost to the county

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because I didn't include the grant in in
the calculation at cost per person

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because if this program would go away
grant goes away. Um so true cost to the

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county is one 1 million three if you see
one 1 million

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3,000. You see it down there.
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So when we get into the cost per bed
basically there's 30 bed capacity times

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365
so you have 10,950 bed days is how that

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works out. Uh
so then what you do is you you divide

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that 1,003,000
by that

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uh
10,950

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and that's how you calculate $91.64
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now one thing I did uh Justice Coger, we
had some um emails back and forth as she

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wanted to see the cost per detainee with
with what the census is. So the average

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census uh from Returning Home's number
is 24.

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So if you do this do the math and you
say, "Okay, 24

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times 365,
now your denominator

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there you see is 8,760.
So right now the true cost per detainee

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is $114.55.

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But I would say that the concept is
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So
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when you compare that to the legislative
audits uh cost cost report for detainees

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down at the jail,
they do that about every two to three

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years. Uh last one they did was in 2023
and it's a ginormous spreadsheet that we

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have to fill out a bunch of numbers.
It costs $80.52.

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So a bed to me costs $11.12 more per day
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at the CRI.
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in general I try to stay neutral
uh on projects, but I do think the CRI

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is a good mission and for only $11 more
a day

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you provide
mental health services, you provide

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education, you provide a lot more stuff
than they actually get down at the uh

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detention cen- detention center.
Is there any questions on how all that

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was calculated?
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Burns
>> I'm JP Burns. I'm sorry.

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» [clears throat]
>> Um

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Yeah, I
I am concerned

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about an item we have on this
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where we paid off a vehicle.

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» Okay, well, on on I know what you're
talking about. That's the law library.

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That that money came out of the law
library that paid off a vehicle for a

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returning home.
I mean, we can have that discussion now,

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but it was really outside this grant and
all that kind of stuff because

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it will be brought up again in the law
library discussion.

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» Well, and it was it was not the CRI.
Agreed.

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» Right. Yeah, it's
>> Do you have any questions?

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» Okay, what's the difference in the CRI
and the returning home?

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» Well, the the the CRI
you know, the contract we contract for

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returning home. Like I'll give you that.
And they also got the cap out there, but

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has nothing to do with the CRI.
Uh but the funding source for that

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vehicle
did not come from any of this.

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The funding source was the the law
library, which is also on the docket

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tonight.
>> All right.

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We'll get to that then.
>> Yeah. And but

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the CRI
it it was my understanding that the CRI

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was
um

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the receiving entity for the grant. Is
that true?

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» Correct.
>> Okay.

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And then
where does returning home come in?

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» Well, they
>> whole new entity on its own?

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» Uh
kind of. I mean, it it it does like we

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just didn't go to the government and say
uh we have this idea. We did have

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returning home behind us saying, "Hey,
we could do this." So, we apply for the

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grant in the name of the CRI project,
and then we contract for certain

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services through uh returning home.
So.

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» So, returning home
is a totally different entity. Do we

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support that with this grant anywhere?
>> Uh all of these figures, yeah, we do.

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Mhm. So, all this county money uh has
gone into the It doesn't go to uh

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returning home, but it goes into the
facility like the detention officers,

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any of the startup. Certain things are
not reimbursed

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uh by the government. Uh so, certain
things do have to be paid out of county

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money. Uh for example, like food is
example because they do have food down

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at the detention center, so that's not
reimbursable.

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Uh clothing is another example. So, they
we get a lotment for clothing at the

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detention center, but uh with this
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you know, you're trying to uh have it so
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uh
get them back into society and, you

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know, so.
>> I'm I'm with you 100% on that. Anything

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we can do to get people out of the jail
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in a positive sense is I'm all for it.
>> Right.

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» However,
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returning home
and CRI being two different entities.

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And my question is, uh do they both have

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uh the same
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» uh
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non um

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I can't think of what kind of say
>> It's like the the CRI

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is county entity for sure. Like it falls
under the county tax ID and it and then

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and then we turn around and contract
with Returning Home, which is an LLC

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that has its own private uh um
tax ID number.

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» Tax ID number.
>> So Comptroller Sherman, the the way I

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think about it is CRI and CAP are
programs that the county has decided

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they want to pursue.
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Returning Home is the organization we've
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Would that be appropriate, sir?
>> Correct.

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» Okay.
>> Okay, so we we've got two different

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entities that we're funding here.
>> We have two programs, CAP and CRI.

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» Two different two different entities
because they each have

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different tax ID number.
Right?

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» Correct. The county has one and
Returning Home has one.

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» And where is Returning Home located?
>> Where is Returning Home where?

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» Located?
>> Uh I'm not sure where they're physically

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located, but they do business in our
thing here and then they do the CAP is

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out in Huntsville.
>> What what's the the CAP?

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» Returning Home.
>> That's that's another program outside of

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this. So we're starting to get outside
of this, but uh that's a whole 'nother

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program that
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» But we're funding part of it.
>> Correct.

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» And we're funding something that's in
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» Uh I don't know exactly. I mean they
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County yeah, physically.
>> Okay.

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» But it's it's it's Washington County
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that it's
>> only Correct.

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» only
>> Correct.

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» Um Nick
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They just happen to part the property
that they use that they house in happens

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to be a Madison County, but it's only
Washington County detainees that you're

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putting through the CAT program.

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» I can't hear you.
>> He basically said the beds that

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that we fund are only from Washington
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County that Madison County funds.
At at the CAT. So this is totally

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separate from it.
>> Okay.

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» CRI
>> Yeah, that answers my question.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you, sir.

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JP Lopez
>> Yep. Thank you, Chair. And I'll be

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pretty brief brief here. My question is
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I was under the impression that um
Arusha provided services for the the

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previous year. Was that incorrect cuz I
I don't see it accounted for on that

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grant year one, but they did say that
they had provided those services. Is

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that correct? I mean
>> Correct. I mean during that first year

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we started the program the first person
started program in April of 25. So

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that's why those are actual cost. I can
go back and see what we actually spent.

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» Not necessarily, but I thank you. I just
wanted to make sure I wouldn't didn't

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miss something. Thank you.

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» JP Rio

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» Thank you, Chair.
Mr. Sherman, I wanted to thank you for

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putting these numbers together because I
think this is the first time that we've

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ever seen
all these numbers that go into the CRI

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all on one page together because I think
it's sort of you know, we get different

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pieces of it come to us at different
times of the year and

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it hasn't really been clear to me what
all these numbers are. So I'm really

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like happy to see it. Um and I know you
put this together to your best of of

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your ability and we we kind of you know
talked about that. I'm not

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there's for two reasons I'm not
completely sure that we're still truly

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comparing apples to apples.
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um
you know, I kind of have questions

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whether we should even be including
uh the detention officers their salaries

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in this at all
because I asked that over emailed um to

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the sheriff to see
um you know, like if the CRI didn't

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exist, um how many of these
uh positions

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you know, would these positions go away?
Would these positions still exist?

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Um and Sheriff Cantrell is sitting back
there, but he replied over email and I

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can read it. Uh the deputies assigned to
the CRI are not additional deputies.

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When the CRI was first proposed, the
Washington County Sheriff's Office was a

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willing participant. We wanted to see if
the program produced viable and

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repeatable results.
Washington County Sheriff's Office

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agreed to reassign two deputies from
each of the four detention shifts to the

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CRI.
This caused more work for the deputies

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assigned to the main jail, but we felt
it was a worthwhile endeavor to see what

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the data actually reveals.
As far as workforce efficiency goes, the

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CRI is not as labor efficient as the
main jail. Two deputies at the main jail

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are routinely assigned to the minimum
security housing unit with 96 beds.

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Two deputies at the CRI are assigned to
30 beds. So that's less than a third.

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We continually operate with a workforce
deficit and have for many years. So

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there's, you know, as we know, they've
continually had

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uh open positions and job openings
um in the detention side. With 25 open

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positions at any given time and a jail
population that is almost always over

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maximum capacity, the eight deputies of
the CRI would still be needed at the

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main jail even if the CRI didn't exist.
So, it's not like those, you know, those

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hours are like extra hours that wouldn't
exist if the CRI didn't exist. You know,

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so my, you know, so I'm wondering, you
know, I I've never looked at like this

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legislative audit that came out that
that determined our,

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uh, you know, jail inmate cost report.
So, I don't know how they're calculating

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it, whether the, you know, whether
they're

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they're factoring in all the costs of
the detention officers, including open

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positions, or whether they're not
counting positions that haven't been

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filled. I don't really know.
Um, and then also, uh, the last

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legislative audit we got was 2023. And
we know with inflation and everything,

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so we're kind of comparing 2023
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Um, you know, so different years. And
I'm guessing probably with the prices

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going up that the
that the, you know, cost per day

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detainee at the main jail is probably
higher than $80.52.

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» I would say that's accurate. But,
>> Yeah.

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» you know, they'll they'll probably be
back around in

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uh, maybe even this they're going to
start the, uh, '25 audit here shortly.

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So, we might do it during that. They do
it about every 2 years or so.

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» Yeah. So.
Okay.

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» And and
um, I would say that, uh, you're right

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that like those officers, it's not like
we hired extra officers.

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» Right.
>> And we would just move them back. But,

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it does create, uh,
you know, shortage even more down

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Sheriff. It's not like it's totally a
wash. That's

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» Yeah. It might create some officers.
>> my When I allocate expenses, I still

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think that it's probably decent to
allocate it wherever they are, you know,

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wherever they're Yeah. But, that being
said, we're not going to, uh, you're not

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going to save money if the CRI closed
tomorrow. It would not save $710,000.

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Those people would move back to the
jail.

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» They'd move back to the jail, right? I
think maybe possibly the only thing

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we're creating right now with that is
maybe overtime costs at the main jail.

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» Because
>> Because the existing workforce over

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there has to stretch a little further.
So, okay.

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Um
and then um

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What was my other question about this?
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can't remember. I'll come back to you.
Thanks.

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» JP Coger
>> Mr. Chair

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Uh okay, so I too appreciate all the
work you put into this and I appreciate

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your patience with me today as I as
we've gone back and forth about this.

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Um so I I
I think I understand the point that

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you're trying that you made with about
the detention office salaries, but I

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this is what I'm thinking when I think
about why they should be included and

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I'd like to just give those to you and
to the public so we could think about

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them or talk about them. First of all,
the sheriff confirmed that eight

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deputies were specifically reassigned to
operate the CRI.

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Uh the sheriff also confirmed that
reassigning those deputies created

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additional strain on staffing at the at
the main jail.

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Those staffing resources are therefore
no longer available elsewhere elsewhere

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in the detention center.
The CRI requires a significantly higher

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staffing ratio than the minimum security
unit at the main jail.

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Uh CRI has two deputies for 30 beds and
versus two deputies for 96 beds at

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minimum security.
Even if the payroll positions already

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list existed, taxpayers are still
devoting substantial county labor

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resources to operate the CRI.
That's why I think the staffing costs

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make the salaries relevant when
evaluating the the true cost of the CRI.

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And also today I asked about if you
could give us a number

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I understand you've estimated and you
have to do that if you want to go

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through the end of the second grant
period. But were you able to come out

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with a the actual number for through
February through April 30th of 2026 for

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bed days and and expenses?
>> I have not as of yet, no.

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» Okay.
And did you take into account that

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sometimes the beds aren't full? You you
assume that there were 30 beds every day

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that were full and sometimes they're
not.

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» Well, that's why I did that
the average census of 24 there right

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behind.
So that is where the million 3,000

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divided by
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bed days versus the 10,000. So yeah, I
took that into account.

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» Were you able to give us a breakdown on
between how much money of those

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professional services was paid [snorts]
to Arissa Health and how much was paid

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to Returning Home?
>> Not yet, but I can do that too. That's

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all salaries to Returning Home or Arissa
Health and I'm assuming and you know,

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for the year if if they're asking for
169, maybe that you know, it's goes 169

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in the
for the Arissa Health and then minus

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that 499 would be
Returning Home.

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» Okay, so to to close what I was
thinking, if we did not provide the

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Sheriff Deputies for the CRI, the CRI
could not operate.

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» Correct.
>> If we did not So if we had to hire

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outside security, which I doubt that we
could even do that because they're in

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the custody of the Washington County
Sheriff.

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So but even if we did do that, we'd have
to pay that private security a certain

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sum.
And we'd be taking that into account as

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as to how much it was per day, correct?
>> Correct.

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I mean, I I honestly think that if
if the state came in and audited it,

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they'd probably include it in there just
cuz you're allocating, you know, they're

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actually down there.
Is it costing us more money? No, as a

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county, but it they would allocate it to
that program.

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» And the taxpayers of Washington County
are paying those deputies.

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» Correct, but I'm just saying they they
would move back to the jail and not like

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if they if we closed it, they'd move to
jail and they'd still be getting paid

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like that.
>> Thank [clears throat] you very much. I

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think that's all I have.
>> Okay.

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» JP Ekey.
>> Um yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is

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there a motion that needs to be made for
10.1 to be passed on to the full quorum

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court or not just yet?
>> Not No, not not

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» So, we are just at the
>> there yet. This is This was a report

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providing information as we we go
through that discussion.

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» So, number six is what we're discussing,
correct?

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» It was It was number eight.
>> number eight. Okay.

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» was CRI update from Comptroller's
office.

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» Number eight, not number six. Sorry.
Thank you for the clarification.

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Um
>> Thank you.

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» If we didn't have the CRI, then we would
have that many more people sleeping on

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the floor.
I think that's correct.

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» 30 would move back down on mattresses,
probably.

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» And these are pre-trial services that we
are providing.

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» Yeah, I mean, they're they're extra
services for sure, if you want to call

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them pre-set pre-trial or whatever you
want to call them, but they're extra

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services trying to reduce the recidivism
coming back into the jail.

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» I also know that this is a national
program that has been recognized. I

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mean, this is a program that has been
recognized by the National

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Association of Counties and received
high praises for

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what they're doing.
And I also know that mental health

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services something that
across the country

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we want, counties want, the government
to provide for and stop you know,

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through their Medicaid or whatever
services stop funding, but once they are

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released, then they start funding again.
But during that time, how important and

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valuable these mental services are
to

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the people that are being incarcerated.
Um

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And I know it's it's a movement where we
need to

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get together and
we can write a resolution to our

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um
federal legislators and say, "We want

434
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:22,720
mental services paid for."
You This is part of the

435
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:27,400
um
criminal justice system that we need to

436
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:33,040
provide. And we can certainly do that
and take the lead on this

437
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:37,640
to make changes, but until then
I I support

438
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,800
what we're doing and
I look at it as, "What is the value of a

439
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:46,360
human being?"
And what is the value of a changed human

440
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,240
being?
Who

441
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:53,143
his life was changed, her life was
changed. And also, if once this is gets

442
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,640
going
>> [clears throat]

443
00:33:53,360 --> 00:34:02,040
» we it paves the way for women.
And to stop this and to cut the legs out

444
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:07,200
from under it from and allowing it to
succeed we're not allowing the women.

445
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:11,840
That's the next phase.
So, let's look at the whole picture and

446
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,919
value
a human being, a changed human being,

447
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:21,200
and that's what they're doing. So, I
think these are good numbers. $11.12

448
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:24,800
per bid higher than before. Inflation's
crazy.

449
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:28,520
I mean, ground beef is outrageous. So,
anyway

450
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:33,120
that's inflation.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

451
00:34:29,879 --> 00:34:33,120
» Thank you. J.P. Leming.

452
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:38,240
Paul, can you tell me Thank you, Chair.
The

453
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,360
how much the grant was for the first
year?

454
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,200
Total amount of the grant?
>> Uh the total

455
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:48,919
» was 355, correct?
>> Our part was 118, the match, and the

456
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:52,200
federal reimbursement amount was 355.
>> Okay.

457
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,879
And on the second year?
>> The second year, our match was 94.

458
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,160
» Right.
>> And

459
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,040
grant was 284.
>> Okay.

460
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:05,849
» I'm assuming it might might be a little
bit higher in the first year because of

461
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:09,240
startup costs and things like that.
>> [clears throat]

462
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:13,480
» And now we're up to 1.3 million.
>> Uh well, well, the one point The thing

463
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:17,560
is is we didn't
the the officers are 710,000. That's the

464
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:24,040
biggest expense. That's a county
expense, so you got to put it in there.

465
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:27,440
Um and then the 28,000 for utilities, we
pay that.

466
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:34,320
Um and then if we do this mental health
services at 169 and the match, that's

467
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,760
what makes up that 1,003,000 there.
>> Thank you.

468
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,280
» JP Bruns?

469
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,440
» Thank you, Chair.
Uh one last question.

470
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:54,800
Um
if um

471
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:59,800
if for some reason this grant goes away,
then the program would go away, correct?

472
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,000
» Program would either go away or if the
county thought that it was

473
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,960
working and a great program, the county
would pony up the additional money.

474
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:13,120
» About 2 million a year, I
>> Uh well, it'd be the We're already

475
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:17,160
It would be that 284,000 additional.
>> Okay.

476
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:21,360
So, if that be the case, and let's say
it did go away,

477
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:26,680
well, my question is
um

478
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:32,080
and Sheriff Cantrell has already hired
people for

479
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:35,720
to fill the positions he took from
down there

480
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:40,320
at the jail.
What do we do with the people?

481
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:45,560
» Uh I think the jail is short no matter
what by like 25 positions. So, Sheriff

482
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:48,560
Cantrell would be overjoyed if that
happened. But, I think that we would

483
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,760
hire Isn't that right, Sheriff?
>> Look at that smile.

484
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,560
» we hire If we If we hire additional
people. So,

485
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,680
» Mhm.
>> you know.

486
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,280
I mean, they They can't hire enough
people down there. That's a

487
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,760
» Well, yeah, but most of those are going
to be certified. So,

488
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:05,240
» Mhm. Yeah.
>> And you're not going to have certified

489
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:10,120
officers down here usually. So, you're
going to have jailers. So,

490
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,120
big difference.

491
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:17,400
Okay. Thank you.
>> JP Paughn?

492
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,800
» Yes, thank you. And I wanted to
appreciate

493
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:26,280
what you've done. I wanted to say thank
you, Mr. Chairman, uh

494
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:32,000
for getting these numbers together.
Uh the only thing that

495
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:35,320
maybe not been brought up
in the discussion around the Horseshoe,

496
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,400
uh
well, it has, but I'm I'm going to

497
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,400
restate.

498
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:48,000
And there might be a question of whether
you want to call the services being

499
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:52,600
provided pre-trial services. Is that not
an appropriate thing to call the what

500
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,040
we're doing for
>> It is. I've never I just never thought

501
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,760
about it, truthfully.
>> I'm thinking about it as pre-trial

502
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,200
services.
Uh

503
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:10,040
by having this number, this small number
of people,

504
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:15,680
housing them someplace else other than
the the jail is is it's a uh

505
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:21,560
it
makes it a little safer and more livable

506
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:25,960
for the detainees
and the detention officers at the main

507
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:31,680
jail.
That's the way I see it.

508
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,680
And and uh

509
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:40,240
other part of that or something I do
want to bring up. I want to pay a

510
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:45,880
compliment to our our sheriff.
In the past

511
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:50,880
when there was room at the main jail
some of this same same sort of thing,

512
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:56,440
these programs
when it was not so overcrowded

513
00:38:54,520 --> 00:39:00,720
because of the growth we've had in this
county in the

514
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:05,280
the larger number of people we have
coming detaining these to that jail.

515
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,120
Uh
and we have a we have a sheriff that's

516
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,560
uh of a of a mind to provide this sort
of thing where they can, but

517
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:18,480
there there's just not room for it at
the jail at this time.

518
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:22,960
And and
don't know when there would be any time

519
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,760
in the future and
also

520
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:38,000
what we do here, we we can't pass laws
or take away laws

521
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:44,680
that cause the jail to be fuller
or emptier. We don't write the laws.

522
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:49,160
We and and uh
we're not we're not part of the

523
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:55,240
judiciary branch of government. We don't
determine who gets put in that jail or

524
00:39:52,680 --> 00:40:00,600
how long they got to stay.
But it is our responsibility to do

525
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:08,760
anything or whatever we can
to uh make that facility is decent and

526
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:12,920
livable as we could.
And I would do appreciate anybody else

527
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:16,400
that's brought up
detainees [clears throat]

528
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:20,920
who have broken the law, they are human
beings, they are individuals. And I And

529
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:25,640
I want to thank these folks back here in
the corner for what they do

530
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
to uh

531
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:30,840
to make improvements for the situation
and for as many of them as we can.

532
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,680
They're
They're providing uh

533
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:41,040
tools that life skills tools, if you
will.

534
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:44,360
To make life better for themselves
and their neighbors and anybody in the

535
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:48,840
community.
I Yeah. I sure appreciate it. Thank you

536
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,040
again.
>> To piggyback on that, that's probably

537
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:56,000
That's That's partly why I'm such a
proponent of this is because the only

538
00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:00,080
people left holding the bag are the
county jails. The state

539
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,920
You see what they're doing? They They
can't get it right. They're trying to

540
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:08,320
build a 3,000-bed facility that's 30
miles away from a water source. They say

541
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:12,240
it'd take a decade to build a pipeline.
And meanwhile, we got people sleeping on

542
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:16,960
the floors. So, anything that takes
pressure off the jail, I'm a proponent

543
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,920
of.
>> JP [clears throat] Cogger, I I notice

544
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:23,280
you've asked to be recognized. You've
spoken twice on this subject. I'll need

545
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:25,640
a motion to suspend the rules for a
third time.

546
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,720
» So moved.
May I second the motion?

547
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,760
» Second.
>> Okay, so I have a motion by JP Pond to

548
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,120
allow JP Cogger to speak for a third
time and a second by JP Lopez. All those

549
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,640
in favor, say I.
>> I.

550
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:42,160
» All those opposed?
Thank you, JP Cogger.

551
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:44,680
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I did not
realize I had But you're correct. I

552
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,000
have.
>> We all

553
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:51,440
» Uh
Okay. Uh I just want One thing I forgot

554
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:55,720
to say is if we did count the uh
the deputy salaries, as I have said that

555
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:59,840
we should, even if we get the full
remaining AR set grant, there will be an

556
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:04,240
overall deficit of approximately
$483,000

557
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,720
if we count those salaries in. Thank
you, Chair.

558
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:13,960
» So, you're you've already included
deputy salaries in your calculations

559
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,600
that came up with $11 more per bed.
>> Correct.

560
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,760
» Correct. That's what I thought. Okay.
Just making sure. There's a lot going on

561
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,680
and I thought you had, but then I
started seeing

562
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:27,960
» Yeah, that is the That is the biggest
portion of the expense. Out of a million

563
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,040
out of a million three 3,000 710 of it's
>> Yeah, so the

564
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,440
» detention option.
>> deputy salaries are in what you've done,

565
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,920
which I think the I agree. I think they
should be because they're being used for

566
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,680
them. Gives us the true cost of that
program.

567
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,880
And we're still at just $11 over what
they would

568
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,560
» if you just send them to detention.
>> JP Ecky.

569
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,760
» Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm just
curious because I heard JP Coger say

570
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:54,360
that
these are not pre-trial services.

571
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:58,000
Um that the CRI is
I just heard just

572
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:02,080
from over there to here.
If If the chair would allow, what do you

573
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,920
consider
pre-trial services?

574
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:10,920
I mean, I don't I'm not
It's always comes up that these are not

575
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:13,600
and when they are.
So

576
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,600
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's your
discretion.

577
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,560
» Go ahead.
>> Thank you. I'm happy to answer that, JP

578
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:23,480
Ecky. Thank you very much. The National
Association of Pre-Trial Services and

579
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:29,080
the American Bar Association defines
pre-trial services as any as those

580
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:34,000
services that will get someone released
from from jail on the least restrictive

581
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:37,920
conditions possible as quickly as
possible. When you're keeping people

582
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:43,000
locked up when they're pre-trial, that
is not pre-trial services according to

583
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:49,600
those that I just cited. Thank you.
>> So it's locked up even though our judges

584
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:57,280
like Judge Beaumont
defers people to the CRI.

585
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,280
And it's non-violent criminals.

586
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:03,960
So at least now we know. Thank you.
Thank you for that clarification.

587
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,560
» Thank you, Chair. I remembered my other
question. And this is a little bit

588
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,240
outside Well, it's
pretty much outside the scope of this

589
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,360
financial discussion,
but I think the other, you know, now

590
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:21,960
that we have these numbers, I think the
other piece of data that I'd really like

591
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:28,360
to see is what is the recidivism rate in
the CRI versus the recidivism rate

592
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:32,640
for the population of the main jail. And
to compare those two numbers apples to

593
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,360
apples, and to me that would be
uh

594
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:40,040
that would be an additional number, you
know, in addition to comparing just the

595
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:43,680
the cost of the bed days, and we can go
back and forth over that,

596
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:48,840
but that would be the factor of like the
outcomes, right? And then, related to

597
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:51,760
that is how many, you know, we've run
this where

598
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:55,920
you know, we're still in year two,
right? We're we'll reach the end of year

599
00:44:53,480 --> 00:45:01,320
two at in September.
How long should the experiment run

600
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:04,400
for us to get a good handle on what, you
know, cuz year one was set up, right?

601
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:09,200
And then
year two, and how long should the

602
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:14,200
experiment run to be able to know
what the true ongoing recidivism rate of

603
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:19,400
people participating in the program is
versus people who aren't getting these

604
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:21,520
services, uh who have are just sitting
in the main

605
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,320
jail,
you know, without without getting this.

606
00:45:23,521 --> 00:45:28,960
» [clears throat]
>> Well, I talked to Sheriff Cantrell, and

607
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,880
he told me the state looks at it on a
three-year interval.

608
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:36,040
So,
uh that's that's basically they they use

609
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,920
a three-year year interval. So, if that
person returns back, I'm assuming within

610
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,160
three years, that would be a return, you
know. So.

611
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,720
» Okay. Nick, do you have Do you want to
add anything?

612
00:45:45,791 --> 00:45:47,811
» [clears throat]

613
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:56,640
» Thank you. Uh so, when we got started,
uh on average 80% of individuals that

614
00:45:54,440 --> 00:46:00,320
have lifestyle crimes, non-violent non
non-sexual offenders,

615
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,080
um go back 80% of the time. So,
nationally.

616
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:07,880
Um we have not been able to pull the
numbers of everyone else that was in

617
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:12,560
jail. So, our goal the initial KPI was
to drop it in half. So, 40% is what

618
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,560
we're shooting for. Over the first 12
months of working with clients and

619
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:20,360
clients getting released, we're at a
19.38%

620
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:27,800
of return to incarceration.
And that's based on FOIA'ing the county

621
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:27,800
jail to get their arrest records.

622
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:34,040
So, just know that's just year one. So,
once they've been out for a second year,

623
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,880
they may start getting picked up. So,
please understand we're still shooting

624
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,960
for 40.
>> Right. I I I think again, I agree with

625
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:43,240
JP We stopped probably too early. We're
only going one year, we're going in the

626
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:49,160
second year. Yeah. So, is it really we
start looking at year four and you know,

627
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,240
based on what I heard came from
the sheriff year four and start looking

628
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,280
at that
rate to really start [clears throat]

629
00:46:53,440 --> 00:47:00,760
looking to see are we successful or not?
>> Yeah, best practices three years after

630
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:02,760
implementation is when they they do
recidivism rates.

631
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,840
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Thanks.

632
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:14,440
» JP Lemming.
>> I was just going to ask him 19% of 10,

633
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:18,000
20, 30? How many?
19% of what?

634
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,360
» Uh
It'd be on that uh report I sent you.

635
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,760
So, it'd be all the people that
graduated the program. Um

636
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,760
I don't have the report in front of me.
So, it's the one that I sent was few

637
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:33,240
days ago. Um
>> Yeah,

638
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,240
last [clears throat] week.

639
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,520
» Any other questions?

640
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:45,120
Seeing none, make you turn nobody sneaks
in. Thank you, sir.

641
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:54,720
Item nine, what was nine, is uh an
ordinance authorizing the Washington

642
00:47:53,040 --> 00:48:01,560
County, Arkansas to join the Arkansas
property assessed capital expenditure

643
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:05,240
improvement district. JP Stafford.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

644
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:09,040
This was on our agenda last month and we
got a lot of questions answered about

645
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,840
it, but there were some additional
questions.

646
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,000
There was a request
to

647
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,280
um
for us to be sent the the technical

648
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:23,160
standards manual and the program guide,
which we all

649
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:27,240
received in our email. And
Jonathan Raspberry is back again from

650
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:31,720
the Arkansas Advanced
Energy Foundation

651
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:34,880
or Energy Group.
And

652
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,360
I think before making a motion to move
forward, I just wanted to see if anyone

653
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,720
had any
additional questions around this to get

654
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,360
their questions answered from from Mr.
Raspberry.

655
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:51,640
» Any questions?
If I remember correctly, last month we

656
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:55,680
landed on there was a document that was
going to come out that JP Coger, I

657
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,160
believe you wanted to see. It came out,
we reviewed that.

658
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,440
» Okay.
>> They answered you, good.

659
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:03,400
» Okay.
If there's no questions, I'll make a

660
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,960
motion to move this to the full quorum
court with a do pass recommendation.

661
00:49:04,258 --> 00:49:07,160
[snorts]
>> Second.

662
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:18,760
» So, I have a motion by JP Rio Stafford
to move item nine onto the full quorum

663
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:23,280
court with a do pass recommendation and
second by JP Lopez. Any additional

664
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,280
discussion?

665
00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:26,920
Any [clears throat] citizen comment?

666
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,600
Seeing none,
all those in favor of moving this onto

667
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,560
the full quorum court with a do pass
recommendation say I.

668
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:40,080
» I.
>> Those opposed?

669
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,080
I believe that passes.

670
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:53,960
So, all those in favor of passing this
onto the full quorum court with a do

671
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,960
pass recommendation, raise your hand.

672
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,800
All those that
oppose, raise your hand.

673
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,480
That passes. I'll move on to the full
quorum court.

674
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,960
» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

675
00:50:11,069 --> 00:50:15,960
» [clears throat]
>> Item 10 that was moved up is an

676
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:20,560
ordinance submitting the the community
building initiative grant fund for 2026

677
00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:23,240
and for other matters pertaining
thereto.

678
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,440
Do I have a motion?

679
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,080
JP Ekey
Oops.

680
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,960
» Would you restate that?
It's the It's

681
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,640
» item 10
>> Item 10, I make a motion that we pass

682
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:48,240
item number 10
to the full quorum court with a do pass

683
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,240
recommendation.

684
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,720
» So, I have a motion by JP Ekey to move
item 10 onto the full quorum court with

685
00:50:53,120 --> 00:51:00,440
a do pass recommendation, second it by
JP Pond. Any discussion?

686
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,920
JP Highers
>> Thank you, Chair. Um I was wondering if

687
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:09,840
there's anyone here from AR Care Health
that could speak to us.

688
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,840
Yeah. Hi. Thanks.

689
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:19,200
I'm sure you were anticipating this
question. Um AR Care Health has been in

690
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:21,720
the news. Um with the clinics closing in
>> Yes, ma'am.

691
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:25,080
» 41 counties. So, for those of us who on
the horse shoes haven't been

692
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:31,960
paying attention, um the state of
Arkansas actually pulled $4.4 million in

693
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:36,000
state mental health funding recently. Um
I just want reassurances that us

694
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,640
entering in the contract with you that
the

695
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,520
we're that we're solvent.
>> Um we are.

696
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:43,360
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

697
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:47,960
» And if that could be addressed in the
>> she's speaking about a specific piece of

698
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:52,680
our business, the Community Mental
Health Center contract with the

699
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:56,160
Department of Human Services is about
15% of our overall revenues.

700
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:59,800
» Okay.
>> This program specifically is outside of

701
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,600
that. Uh
>> [clears throat]

702
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:06,920
» all the work
about 75% of the clients that we serve

703
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,400
are all
in services outside of that

704
00:52:08,971 --> 00:52:14,880
» [snorts]
>> contract, so there's no worry with that.

705
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:19,360
» Okay. Yeah. Um and this goes back to the
resolution to ask our

706
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:23,920
state to fund mental health services
more because that's $4.4 million that

707
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:28,000
they pulled, so um I'd be down with
that. So, thank you.

708
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:31,896
» I will appreciate that.
>> JP Hackey.

709
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,960
» We'll be waiting to see you.
>> [laughter]

710
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,040
» JP Koger.
>> Yes, thank you.

711
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,880
Not That's okay. Thank you, sir.
>> Okay.

712
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:44,840
» I'd like to ask Mr. Robbins a couple of
questions

713
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,640
about before we pass this or before you
vote on this.

714
00:52:51,546 --> 00:52:56,680
» [clears throat]
>> Okay, Mr. Robbins, so in the first year

715
00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:01,000
of the grant
uh Arisa Health or Ozark Guidance was

716
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,280
paid directly by you, correct?
>> No.

717
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,720
» What made Returning Home?
>> No.

718
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,840
» It didn't come from the county.
Who paid them?

719
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,160
» The county.
>> No, Mr.

720
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,080
Uh
Sherman has already said it didn't come

721
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,320
from the county.
The payments didn't come from the

722
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,240
county.
>> That's not accurate.

723
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:34,760
» If if that if that's the case, like I
just look at the overall numbers. So, if

724
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:37,880
if if the county was required to pay it,
I guess we paid it, so.

725
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,560
» That came out of the funds that was
approved for Returning Home, but it was

726
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,400
not we didn't pay for it. It was the
county funds that moved over to CRI.

727
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,840
» that's what I'm trying to say. The
county, we gave the money to you to

728
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,480
returning home.
>> No.

729
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,960
So, when you guys approved money for the
CRI program, which is the county's

730
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,280
program,
>> Mhm.

731
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:03,680
» we have we, Arissa Health, the Sheriff's
Office, numerous entities all provide

732
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,760
services.
>> Mhm.

733
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:11,080
» so, they were funded out of that fund
that you guys approved last year.

734
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,480
» Okay. Well, how come it's not working
that way this year?

735
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:18,640
How come you're asking for additional
170,000 now?

736
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:23,160
» Um from my understanding, it's cuz
nothing was appropriated for CRI for

737
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:25,080
2026 except for the match.
Is that correct?

738
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:28,240
» No.
Well, it wasn't mentioned when we did

739
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,840
the budget. No one said anything about
this not being included when we did the

740
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:35,720
budget.
>> I mean, I don't work for the county, so

741
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:39,040
I don't I wasn't at the budget meeting.
>> That's Thank you, sir. That's all I have

742
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:43,600
for him. I would like to make one
comment, though.

743
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:48,960
Okay. So, my comment would be that we're
spending a lot of money on this CRI, and

744
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:52,280
I'm not saying it's not doing some good,
but we could have real pre-trial

745
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:57,600
services and get people released from
the jail and stop the overcrowding for

746
00:54:54,800 --> 00:55:02,840
around 600 to 700,000 a year depending
on how many pre-trial caseworkers we

747
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,840
had. Thank you.

748
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:10,240
» Any other discussion?
So, my my

749
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,080
two cents on this.
And I always say that with about four

750
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:16,320
bucks you can go get a cup of coffee at
Starbucks. But anyway,

751
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,800
um
you know, I I think it's a good program.

752
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:26,280
I think $11 a bed more than what we're
paying at the detention center

753
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:31,200
is is not is not bad if we can reach the
the the the goals of having them not

754
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:35,240
return, right? I think it's a well-paid,
not a whole lot of money. And so, I

755
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:39,240
support it. Um
what I'm struggling with is is

756
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,080
a little bit to what JP Carver was
getting to is is how this occurred and

757
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,560
that's not
Returning Home's fault, that's not

758
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:49,320
Arusa's fault, that's the county's
fault.

759
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:53,200
Should have been in the original budget
for CRI.

760
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,240
And according to state code in our
budget ordinance, contract should have

761
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:00,400
never been signed unless there was an
appropriation.

762
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:04,160
And we got to do better in the county
on that

763
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,160
to not have that continue to reoccur. I
saw it when I first came in that that

764
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:10,560
people would come in and they made
commitments to people to for services

765
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,520
that they didn't have money in their
budget to pay for and we had to

766
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:18,160
allocate money in December at the last
minute. It's not the way budgets work.

767
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,720
You have a budget
if you don't have enough money through

768
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:23,480
the year to pay for something, you can't
commit to the services. That's the way

769
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,360
it works.
And I believe we talked about some

770
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:29,560
training Comptroller Sherman to help
people understand that and that type of

771
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:33,600
thing. So hopefully we can get that that
education out there for for that to

772
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:37,600
occur. So my hope is this will will
happen differently as we

773
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,560
go into next year's budget cycle and
move through that.

774
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,960
Um but I think we need this program. I
think we need the mental health support

775
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,360
in the program [snorts]
to get the results we want to get

776
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:53,600
and therefore I'll I will support. Any
other discussion?

777
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,600
Citizen comment.

778
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:05,680
» Good afternoon quorum court. Um
my name is Bryson Austin. I'm a resident

779
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:10,720
of Fayetteville. I reside in uh JP
Washington's uh district. Um

780
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:16,120
First thing I would like to say is that
the CRI was supposed to be a three-month

781
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:20,800
pilot. Supposed to be a three-month
pilot program.

782
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:25,760
Um before that three months was up, they
were already proposing multi-million

783
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:30,680
dollar additions to the old jail um and
adding additional women's beds um cuz

784
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:35,160
there are no women's beds right now.
Um we have not seen the evidence for

785
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:40,640
what this program is doing. Yes, the the
state does track recidivism on a 3 to

786
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:47,560
5-year revolving basis, so we won't know
um for 3 to 5 years. Um, but also the

787
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:51,320
the original grant for this program
um when they were asking for a three

788
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:54,960
3-year outlay, um it was about $8
million.

789
00:57:52,160 --> 00:58:00,360
Um, um $8 million and then originally it
was supposed to be 70 women um that were

790
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:05,480
added uh and that's been dropped down to
uh to 30 um and it still has the same

791
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:12,240
cost.
The CJCC recommended robust pre-trial

792
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:15,840
services for um the county
to decrease the number of people in the

793
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,600
in the jail. The jail has been
overcrowded for a very long time now and

794
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:25,000
they're still
easily about 150, 160 people sleeping on

795
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:29,280
the floor, 358 people being held
pre-trial.

796
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:35,120
Our issue is not with
the the program's idea. It is with the

797
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:38,560
execution. Um what JP Lion said is is
correct, what Chairman Lion says is

798
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:44,240
correct, the county needs to do better.
There was a contract signed before the

799
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,920
people with the power of the purse
gave the money.

800
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,200
So, that's that's a problem that the
county judge felt it was appropriate for

801
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:54,400
him to sign a contract before he got
your go-ahead. And that's what this

802
00:58:52,120 --> 00:59:01,200
entire program has felt like, him
pushing an agenda that was separate from

803
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:05,560
the study that you all funded. $70,000
you funded an assessment asking what the

804
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:09,840
county should do and instead we're
following Nick Robbins and uh Patrick

805
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,680
Deacons.
The county judge will not be returning

806
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:18,440
possibly for kind of accounting errors
like this and for behavior like this.

807
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:21,960
There seems to be an endless
amount of questions as to not only the

808
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:26,320
efficacy but the financial well-being
and stability of the CRI. We ask the

809
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:30,120
court request a full assessment of the
CRI's accomplishments and decide whether

810
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:35,400
or not to continue the program. And I
will say an additional note, the

811
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:39,960
national award that the CRI won, they
won for a proposal of an idea. There had

812
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:43,400
been no execution. They won before they
even accepted any people into the

813
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,880
program. Before it had started, they won
this national award.

814
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:50,960
You win the national award, apply for it
in March, but you don't start the

815
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:55,600
program until April. It doesn't make
sense what's happening. So, I just ask

816
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:59,640
that we pause and actually develop a
plan within the county. That we that you

817
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:03,600
all work with service providers,
consultants, whatever you need to do to

818
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:08,800
develop pre-trial services cuz cuz we
can be serving all of the hundreds of

819
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,800
people in the jail. Thank you.

820
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,960
» Good.
>> Hello. My name is Julie and I'm in JP

821
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:20,560
Washington's district. Um I just wanted
to point out some of the proposals that

822
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:23,320
resulted from the Criminal Justice
Coordinating Committee. Uh these

823
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:28,600
recommendations were available to the
court before the inception of the CRI.

824
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:31,960
From the Warehouse Clauses, the Criminal
Justice Coordinating Committee was

825
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:36,360
established by Washington County
Ordinance number 2017-44

826
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:41,800
pursuant to the Criminal Justice
Efficiency and Safety Act of 2017.

827
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:45,480
The CJCC conducted research and an
in-depth study and analysis of criminal

828
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:49,800
justice reforms and policies to be
implemented pursuant to the Criminal

829
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:54,320
Justice Assessment Study conducted by
the National Center for State Courts in

830
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:59,040
2020. One of the major recommendations
of the CJAS was the Washington County

831
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,800
invest in a robust pre-trial services
program

832
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:06,040
to provide the accused with the adequate
Eighth Amendment protections and case

833
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:09,320
management and linkage to the services
to address the root causes of their

834
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:13,400
justice involvement.
The National Association of of Counties

835
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,880
recommends that all counties establish
procedures to screen all arrestees

836
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,800
booked into county jails to assist
judicial officers

837
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:25,040
in making pre-trial release decisions
and to provide the county with a range

838
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:28,080
of pre-trial release options. Sorry, my
allergies are bad.

839
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,560
Those clauses ended with the quorum
county of Washington County, Arkansas,

840
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,960
for the purposes of reducing
overcrowding in the Washington County

841
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:38,840
Detention Center, establishing,
maintaining, and promoting the

842
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:44,840
recommendations of the National Center
for State Courts and NAC NAC

843
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:48,360
NAC County desires to establish and
create the job positions of peer

844
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:52,680
recovery specialist, pre-trial case
worker, and pre-trial supervisor.

845
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:57,000
These Those positions would come to an
annual total cost of about $600,000.

846
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,240
That sounds like a tremendous amount of
man of money, but let's do some quick

847
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:05,280
math.
In 2025, Washington County spent $93 per

848
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:09,160
detained individual.
If one takes the a jail budget alone and

849
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:14,000
divides it by the average population
last year. The current pre-trial

850
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:17,960
population stands at 358 per the sheriff
on May 4th at the County Services

851
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:21,560
meeting. If 18 people or the jail but
equivalent are released and remain in

852
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:26,440
the community as opposed to the jail for
a full year, 365 days multiplied by $93

853
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:31,280
a day
times 18 equals $600,000

854
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,800
and $10 in savings.
The positions net a positive in this

855
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:39,640
scenario. If we could get a quarter of
those detained pre-trials out of jail,

856
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:42,800
we'd save magnitudes more.
This program would not be about

857
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:46,480
releasing those a judge a judge would
deem unsafe. On the contrary, the team

858
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,720
would be able to provide the court
system with the evidence-based safety

859
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:53,480
and needs assessment that has better
than any individual's judgment. We ask

860
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:57,160
that the that the court request a full
assessment of the CRI accomplishments

861
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,920
and decide whether or not to continue
the program.

862
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:04,200
In the event the findings are
unsatisfactory, we ask that you consider

863
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:07,440
the recommended actions.
Thank you.

864
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:10,440
» Thank you.
Citizen's comment.

865
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:18,560
» Good afternoon, Kenneth Lovett, Prairie
Grove, Arkansas. I want to echo the

866
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:23,160
people that just spoke.
The people of the county have spoken

867
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:26,840
clearly that Judge Deacons don't need
return. And that includes a lot of his

868
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:33,320
people that's with him, including his
chief of staff and others.

869
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:37,760
But, it is up on this Yes. It is up on
this horseshoe

870
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:41,280
that needs to make sure things like this
don't happen.

871
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:44,920
Judge Deacons led y'all the wrong way.
Y'all were aware of it. And you're

872
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:47,680
coming up for votes on it.
In November,

873
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,720
we'll see how that works out, Mr.
Dennis.

874
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,720
» Thank you.

875
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,560
» Any other citizens comment?

876
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,360
Sorry.

877
01:04:00,964 --> 01:04:07,320
» [clears throat]
>> So, we have a motion by JP Eckey to pass

878
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:12,440
item 10 to the full quorum court the do
pass recommendation, seconded by JP

879
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:15,320
Bond. All those in favor, say I. I. All
those opposed?

880
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:18,440
» No.
>> Passes.

881
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:23,000
» I call for a division of the assembly,
please.

882
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,000
» All those in favor, raise your hand.

883
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:28,120
In favor. Yeah, you sure?
Go ahead.

884
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,800
Okay, all those in favor, raise your
hand.

885
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,800
All those that
against, raise your hand.

886
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:45,160
It passes. It'll go on to the full
quorum court.

887
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:54,200
Going back to the top, item four,
treasurer's report. Treasurer Hill.

888
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,760
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good evening,
court.

889
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,000
This is on?
>> Yes, sir.

890
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:15,200
» All right, we'll start at 4.1,
treasurer's summary.

891
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:20,120
Again, not a great month for the general
fund as you can see, 5.2 million in

892
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:24,920
expenditures compared to 2.2 million
revenue.

893
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:29,560
Go down to road.
1.2

894
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:34,160
in revenue and 1.3
expenditures.

895
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:39,560
And finally down to jail, it's
2 million [clears throat]

896
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,560
came in and almost 2 and 1/2 went out.

897
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,400
And at the
bottom of this report, we began a month

898
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:50,120
with
70 million in the bank and ended with

899
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,120
almost 67 million.

900
01:05:51,480 --> 01:06:00,160
Uh 4.2
comparison this year to last year.

901
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:04,960
Revenue is flat as you can see.
General is a little above and so is

902
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:12,200
road and jail is down a little bit
mainly because of the flat sales tax.

903
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:16,920
Uh next row was the expenditures.
Uh general fund is 2 and 1/2 million

904
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:20,960
more
currently than it was in this time in

905
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:24,040
2025.
Road has actually gone down in

906
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:29,640
expenditures.
102,000

907
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,640
and jail is up 124,000.

908
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:36,480
4.3
Started [clears throat] getting our

909
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:42,400
current property taxes
in in April.

910
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:46,440
First line, you can see 887,000 came in
compared with 650,000 this same time

911
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:52,000
last year. It's a
36% increase.

912
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:55,480
And you see that second number 7.9
million in May.

913
01:06:53,800 --> 01:07:01,320
We've already gotten our numbers for
this month and it's 8.4 million.

914
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:03,440
So, it's $500,000 increase.
So, that will

915
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,440
hopefully that will help that
expenditure line.

916
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:14,560
Uh 4.4
ARPA report.

917
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:19,040
Uh about the only thing we have right
now is the

918
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:24,600
COVID mitigation project. About 420,000
was spent in April.

919
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:30,560
As you see the
two lines up there totals at 46 million

920
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:35,880
459. That is the total obligations.
Every cent has been obligated.

921
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:42,480
And the expenditures for that
so far is 44 million 44.5 million.

922
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:47,160
And remaining in the fund as of April
30th is a little over 2.3 million.

923
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:54,880
4.5 the 1 cent sales tax.
879,000

924
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:59,280
came in as a
little over 3 and 1/2% increase. So,

925
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:04,760
sales tax is starting to show a little
laugh.

926
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:09,880
Uh 4.6 the quarter cent jail tax.
Uh 1.3 million came in and that's a

927
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:13,080
almost a 4 and 1/2% increase
over 2025.

928
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:18,560
And that's all on that report.
Happy to take any questions.

929
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:22,640
» JP Ekey.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Yell, I

930
01:08:20,440 --> 01:08:26,359
have a question regarding annexation.
How quickly does that go into effect as

931
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:30,279
far as
>> Do what now? I'm sorry.

932
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:36,480
» Annexations. When when a
county's annexed by a city

933
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:40,520
and that portion no longer goes to the
county. When does that go into effect?

934
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,600
Is it immediate or at the end of the
budget cycle?

935
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:46,080
» Immediate.
>> Immediate.

936
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:50,600
» As far as whenever the paperwork is
completed at the state sets the new

937
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:54,680
numbers. So, it's not like the census
where

938
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:57,160
no, it stays the same for 10 years. Then
it

939
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,799
whenever you annex it starts
immediately.

940
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,080
» Oh, wow.
>> Uh

941
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,880
so,
that's hurt us a little bit this year,

942
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,359
Not terrible.
>> It does.

943
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:08,400
» Uh
I wish we could do something about that

944
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:11,120
just annexing
at will

945
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:14,160
and not
within

946
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:18,319
» Hard West Fork is
trying to like they're going to a vote

947
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:22,960
or something on annexation, so
we'll see about that.

948
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:27,759
» That would be interesting. Thank you.
>> You're welcome. J.P. Koger.

949
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:31,640
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. And I did send
these questions to Treasure Hill ahead

950
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:35,560
of time. I don't like to surprise him,
but he said it'd be better if I just ask

951
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:42,000
him out tonight, so
uh if we could look at that report where

952
01:09:37,480 --> 01:09:48,960
you had uh the ARPA money and um
where it shows ordinance number 23-54

953
01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:54,759
$1 million in ARPA funds to the EOC. And
then if am I correct that it shows

954
01:09:50,839 --> 01:09:54,759
expenditures of $572,084.12?

955
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:01,240
» Yes.
>> So, that means that we've got

956
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,240
$427,915.88

957
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,560
in that one item, correct?
>> Uh

958
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,920
let's see.
>> Well, I just subtracted of that one from

959
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,520
a million.
>> Yes.

960
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:18,000
» Okay. So, should we consider
transferring or reallocating that money?

961
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,800
Uh is that something we need to discuss
on the court?

962
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,920
» I mean, the obligation
period has passed. You can't do anything

963
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:26,760
new with it.
Now,

964
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,240
» Okay.
>> you might

965
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:33,080
there might be a consideration you could
move it to a

966
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,960
Another thing, it's already been
obligated. And pretty much all we have

967
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,000
left is the
COVID mitigation projects. And I don't

968
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,640
even know if that's proper according to
the final rules.

969
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:43,600
» Okay.
>> But, that may just have to go back to

970
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,440
the feds.
>> Okay. Well, I hadn't thought about that.

971
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:52,880
Uh
Okay, my next question is line item 3511

972
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:58,720
the DEM grant, Department of Emergency
Management grant. It shows a deficit of

973
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,720
$58,173.02

974
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:06,400
and we started off April
with a deficit of

975
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:12,320
$8,655.
And we had income of $52,000

976
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:16,320
and expenses of $101,827.98.
So,

977
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:21,840
what did we purchase with that $101,000?
And is it good or is it unusual for a

978
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:28,120
grant fund to be overdrawn?
>> That's 4.1.

979
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,120
Dave, that's 4.1. That

980
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:35,400
That'll be line uh line uh 3511.

981
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,280
It's the first page of that report.

982
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,440
Is it there? Can you see it? Okay.

983
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:50,960
It is not unusual for that grant to be
in the red. It almost always is. It's

984
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:56,000
just
Do I like it? No, but

985
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,000
it is legal.

986
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,200
14-15-805

987
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:06,200
A grant account that operates as a
reimbursable grant may operate with a

988
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:10,080
deficit balance if there is county
general fund balance,

989
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:14,480
you know, at least that much in the
fund. The general fund can they can

990
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:18,520
cover it if something happens and
may maybe we spent something and the

991
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:22,080
grants refused to pay it or something.
That would have to come out of general.

992
01:12:20,440 --> 01:12:24,800
But as long as
as long as you have enough money in

993
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:30,360
general to cover the deficit, it's
perfectly perfectly fine.

994
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:34,760
» Okay, what did we buy? What What
Do you know what we bought with that?

995
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:39,840
» Uh I looked at April.
I mean, it's several different things.

996
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:43,840
Most of it was uh training, instructor
fees.

997
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:49,480
We had training with
urban snipers, hostage rescue.

998
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:54,480
And then we had
we bought stuff from rescue gear, Smith

999
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:58,640
two-way radio.
Just various

1000
01:12:56,360 --> 01:13:02,440
There's no big expenses, but
probably

1001
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,920
75% of went to those training and
instructor fees.

1002
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:09,120
» Okay.
And I think you've already answered my

1003
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:10,360
third question, but there's like Did I
hear you

1004
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:12,640
» that in there.
>> I'm sorry.

1005
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:15,880
» I tried to throw that in there on my
report.

1006
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:19,400
» So, there's 2.3 million left in the ARPA
money as of April 30th.

1007
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:24,960
» Yes. Uh
if you look but if you look up

1008
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:30,160
Uh
that's 4.4

1009
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:33,720
the second half of that report.
Is that

1010
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:37,680
4.4?
So, everybody can see what I'm talking

1011
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,680
about.

1012
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:44,040
It's the second half of that one.

1013
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,920
Okay, right there.
>> Okay.

1014
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:51,960
» And we have 2.3 remaining in the fund,
but if you look up

1015
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:58,840
on this report, you see Springdale,
Fayetteville, University of Arkansas.

1016
01:13:55,400 --> 01:14:02,600
They reimbursed for the 911 consoles.
And that money was spent using ARPA

1017
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:07,600
funds.
So, it's my I don't have a vote, but my

1018
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:12,560
vote is to send that money back to them.
If not, it's just going to sit there and

1019
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:18,480
go back to federal government. That's
You actually have 1.9 million

1020
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:22,040
of actual ARPA funds to spend.
That 2.3 is including those

1021
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:24,880
reimbursements, those three
reimbursements.

1022
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:27,920
» Mhm. Okay.
I have

1023
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,320
Um thank you very much. That's all I
have.

1024
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:36,976
» That's all I got.
>> That's it. Thank you, sir.

1025
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,360
» Thank you.
>> [clears throat]

1026
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:42,520
» Item five, the employees insurance
report, Mr. Angel.

1027
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:56,680
» Good evening.
This won't be maybe quite as spirited as

1028
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:56,680
the others, just some some numbers.

1029
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,480
So, you'll see we had a little more
expensive month

1030
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:05,800
uh in March than we've had the first
couple of months, but still uh

1031
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:09,720
I I'm pleased with the numbers as we
finish out the first quarter.

1032
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:13,560
Uh we did tick up for a total cost of
908,699.81.

1033
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:17,000
So,
you know, we'd been averaging a little

1034
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:20,640
over 600,000. So, that's that's quite a
bit more. I can kind of tell you what

1035
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:26,040
drove that, though.
Um we had an inpatient claim in March

1036
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:28,560
with with one person that was $182,000.
So,

1037
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:31,080
that's rough, but you know, this is why
we have the insurance because when

1038
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,760
something really bad happens to
somebody, you know, we can cover that.

1039
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:38,320
Um
you'll recall we've talked about our

1040
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:42,320
specific stop-loss before. It's kind of
ironic that number was $182,000.

1041
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:47,400
Our specific stop-loss plan for the
county uh is $180,000.

1042
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:52,720
So, that person has now hit their
specific stop-loss for the year. So,

1043
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:56,440
we do have an aggregating spec in there,
which means all of our folks that hit

1044
01:15:54,640 --> 01:16:00,920
specific deductible have to hit a total
of 100,000, not just one person, you

1045
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:05,520
know, everyone combined has to go over
by 100,000, and then specific stop-loss

1046
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:08,840
will start reimbursing us. So,
uh traditionally, we're going to see

1047
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:13,920
that pretty quickly now that we have
someone over 180,000, but um the the

1048
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:17,160
point to that is our stop-loss, our
reinsurance will start picking up and

1049
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:22,160
catching some of these large claimants
for us once we can get through that.

1050
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:26,560
So, our funding for this month was
719,000,

1051
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:32,040
which is up about three $3,000 from from
last month. So,

1052
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:35,440
we had a deficit of 189,000 in March,
but you'll look forward and see we have

1053
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:39,800
a pharmaceutical rebate there of
$206,400

1054
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:43,480
and change. So, the reason that's pushed
forward to next month is because they

1055
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:46,160
give us the number it's going to be, but
they don't just write us a check. It's

1056
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:50,960
actually in the form of a credit from
our pharmacy benefit manager. So, the

1057
01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:54,320
next $206,000 in prescriptions, we won't
have to write a check for. We just have

1058
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,800
that credit that we operate with the
pharmacy benefit manager. So, it pushes

1059
01:16:55,920 --> 01:17:01,480
it forward to next month. But if you
pull that back to this month when we do

1060
01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:07,320
realize what that number is, we still
ended up plus $17,000. So, um again, not

1061
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:11,480
the best month. In fact, it's the worst
month of our three, but um

1062
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:15,160
last year I would have been pretty happy
for this month to be plugged into almost

1063
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:20,920
anywhere. And uh looking at the first
quarter, uh I am absolutely pleased um

1064
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:26,200
because we have a a positive funding
difference of $221,566.

1065
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:29,800
So, after the first quarter, you know,
we're up a quarter million instead of in

1066
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:33,600
the red. Thank you, Justice Lopez.
So, uh that's that's where we are

1067
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:36,760
through Q1.
>> Questions for Mr. Angel.

1068
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:43,680
JP Lopez.
>> No question. I just want to say thank

1069
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:48,400
you. You know, you I It's
It was a rough year to start last year,

1070
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:51,400
but you know, you're on fire this one.
>> Well, thank you. Doing our best, sir.

1071
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:54,400
Appreciate that.
>> Thank you, sir.

1072
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:59,040
» Thank you all. Have a good night.
>> Item six, the comptroller's report.

1073
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:59,040
Comptroller Sherman.

1074
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,120
» Which one do we have first?

1075
01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:18,600
Okay.
So, the summary statement of operations,

1076
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:24,280
we're 33% through the year. And um
everything's looking good. Uh there's no

1077
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:28,600
nothing that really sticks out to me. Uh
general funds sitting at 29%. So, that's

1078
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:34,800
pretty good. Uh
you know, we're below budget. Uh then

1079
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:39,360
the health insurance funds at 31.8. So,
that's one that I watch close all all

1080
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:44,160
the time, so it's Thank God for
stop-loss insurance. That's all I can

1081
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:47,040
say for that. Is there any questions on
this report?

1082
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:55,680
Okay, so the next one is
>> I'm sorry, JP Brunson.

1083
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:58,440
Um yes, sir. Where is the law library
funds

1084
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:02,480
that were taken away from the law
library?

1085
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:07,360
» Yeah, the law library is no longer
uh uh on these reports like you you do

1086
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:09,560
not have to appropriate that through the
quorum court.

1087
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:13,080
» Oh.
>> It we we moved it to a 6000 series, is

1088
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:18,600
that what you call it?
>> Yeah.

1089
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:22,680
Okay, so there's it it doesn't exist
anywhere.

1090
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:27,040
» Not on not on this county business, no.
Bobby keeps track of it uh through the

1091
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:29,560
treasurer for sure.
>> Okay.

1092
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:36,000
» All right. And he's going to bring he's
he has a whole section on the law

1093
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,000
library himself.

1094
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:45,960
Okay, the unappropriated reserve, which
is the next three report, uh we didn't

1095
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:51,200
have any
uh we did not have any requests in uh

1096
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:57,080
March for appropriation. So, so far this
year, we've only uh had additional

1097
01:19:53,640 --> 01:20:01,680
request of 76,000, which
to me uh shows that we're doing better

1098
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:05,840
in our budgeting. Uh last year at this
time, we had additional requests of 2.3

1099
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:11,240
million.
Um different things that went into that

1100
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:17,560
was the EOC, water conservation,
CRI, uh quorum court, uh per diem, dues,

1101
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:22,200
and memberships. So, there's a
So, at this time last year, we already

1102
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:27,200
came back to the well for 2.3 million.
Right now, we've only come back for 76

1103
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:30,320
plus whatever you do tonight. So, I'm
feeling pretty good about that.

1104
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:35,640
» Any other questions for Comptroller
Sherman?

1105
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,000
Thank you, sir.

1106
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:44,360
Item seven, law library update, Treasure
Hill.

1107
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:52,040
» Dave, could you pull 4.1 up again?

1108
01:20:52,560 --> 01:21:00,960
JP Brown, see where it's at.
This will be on my report every month.

1109
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,760
It'll be a 6009.

1110
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:14,640
» That's where
That's where you can find it.

1111
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:18,960
Just on the bottom of that report
that I give every month.

1112
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:23,480
So, I just want to bring that up to your
attention that

1113
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:23,480
it is on that list.

1114
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:28,880
Now, JP Brown did ask me to
gather a little information on the law

1115
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:32,906
library.
What I'm about to tell you is about all

1116
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:35,720
I know about the law library, so.
>> [clears throat]

1117
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:40,880
» First one uh
first page is just the statute for

1118
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:45,480
county law library.
You can read it as well as I can, but I

1119
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:48,600
will hit a few high points. It's
First one is county law library shall be

1120
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:51,960
under the control of a county law
library board

1121
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:55,600
of not less than three and not more than
five persons who shall be practicing

1122
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:59,040
attorneys
residing in the county and who shall be

1123
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:02,480
appointed by the county court from
attorneys nominated by the county bar

1124
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:06,720
association.
Hold down a little bit, it says

1125
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:09,760
appointed for five-year terms.
And then it says the board shall direct

1126
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:13,440
the expenditures
of funds derived for county law library

1127
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:16,880
purposes.
Any excess funds in the county law

1128
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:19,520
library
book fund, that's kind of

1129
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:22,480
interchangeable just from the law
library fund

1130
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:27,320
not [snorts] needed for the operation
and maintenance of the county law

1131
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:30,520
library may be expended by the board
for any purpose necessary for the

1132
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:35,680
improvement in the administration of
justice in the county.

1133
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,680
Let's see.

1134
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:43,240
When did the law library start? I'm not
sure. This

1135
01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:49,480
This act was the 1971.
I started at the county in '97 and

1136
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,480
we've always had had it, so.

1137
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,120
Next page.

1138
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:00,960
It just says chart at the top. I know
that's kind of vague, but this came from

1139
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:05,600
the
Arkansas Legislative Audit Manual.

1140
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:11,240
And this is where they tell us to put
this law library fund 6009

1141
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:16,280
that where it is currently residing.
You see at the top it says agency funds

1142
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:20,280
no appropriation required.
So, that's reason it doesn't come before

1143
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:23,520
you.
It won't come before you anymore under

1144
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:27,800
the budget unless
things are changed, but historically we

1145
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:32,000
kept it in
the 3400 series which came before the

1146
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:37,920
court. I believe that
goes back to a long time ago where

1147
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:41,960
a certain law library board
didn't want to I guess mess with the

1148
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:45,760
day-to-day operations of the
law library, so they wanted to come

1149
01:23:43,480 --> 01:23:48,720
through here to
I guess be easier for them. I'm not

1150
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:52,440
sure.
That's what I remember, but that's 30

1151
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:57,160
years ago, so.
However, that that was never properly do

1152
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,720
it that way and before I
leave the county I'm trying to get

1153
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,600
everything
the way it's supposed to be, so.

1154
01:24:02,248 --> 01:24:06,160
» [clears throat]
>> See, it said the board

1155
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:10,360
like I said, the board should make
decision on expenses and there shouldn't

1156
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:13,520
be any budget constraints
as long as it's spent on the

1157
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:17,160
administration of justice and approved
by

1158
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:22,000
the library board.
The last sheet here.

1159
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:25,440
This is just the financials the last two
and a half years.

1160
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:29,160
Biggest revenue stream is the district
courts.

1161
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:35,920
This is based on percentages that go
back to the

1162
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:39,800
mid-1990s is called was called Act 1256.
And they they based they put percentages

1163
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:43,840
on stuff like
we give money to the jail, public

1164
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:48,240
defender, prosecuting attorney, and the
law library based on percentages.

1165
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:53,560
However, that act was replaced by Act
371 of last year.

1166
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:57,920
That doesn't You still have to fund the
law library, but there's no

1167
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:01,960
provisions or percentages telling you
how much.

1168
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:05,920
You could give them a dollar a year.
However, this is still a work in

1169
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,320
progress. The municipalities and the
counties are

1170
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:11,280
still getting [clears throat] training
on all this, so

1171
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:15,160
it's still a work in progress, like I
said.

1172
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:19,040
But I tried to make little notes on the
side of these

1173
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:24,000
expenses
to kind of let you know what it is.

1174
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:27,840
Sometimes it's not clear.
Uh

1175
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:33,080
see at the very bottom of that as a 427
there was 352,000

1176
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:36,080
in that fund.
Let's see.

1177
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:43,960
And you can see all the expenses there.
Only thing we've expended this year

1178
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:47,840
is we're fulfilling the contract we have
with LexisNexis, which is an online

1179
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:51,640
search engine engine.
So, that's the only expense we've had

1180
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:56,160
this year.
Now, I can take any questions. I'll try

1181
01:25:54,200 --> 01:25:59,840
to answer them.
>> JP Brooms.

1182
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:09,040
Well, the
the thing I don't understand is

1183
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:13,800
we
we have an appropriation to the law

1184
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:18,080
library
out of our county funds.

1185
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,840
And we
>> Uh

1186
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:24,640
» From last year or
>> What are you talking about? Anytime.

1187
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,880
» Okay.
>> We have had.

1188
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,969
Okay.
>> have had.

1189
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:32,040
» Okay.
>> [clears throat and cough]

1190
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:38,600
» However,
and and those county funds

1191
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:40,840
are voted on in our overall budget by
the quorum court.

1192
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:46,200
» That's correct.
>> And it's passed by the quorum court.

1193
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:49,840
Okay.
So,

1194
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:56,640
we have
um

1195
01:26:51,720 --> 01:27:00,640
designated for a certain entity.
And then

1196
01:26:57,800 --> 01:27:05,720
it gets dissolved
and all of a sudden it's gone.

1197
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,600
» Well, nothing's been dissolved.
I mean, the

1198
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:13,080
» The
the law library's not been dissolved?

1199
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,080
» Not that I'm aware of.

1200
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:20,000
I mean, it It did move fund numbers.
>> Okay.

1201
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,960
» But it's still the same.
No money has changed. The money went

1202
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:27,600
from
that 3400 series to the 6000 series.

1203
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:30,240
» then who are the
um

1204
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:34,120
board members?
>> Right now, there's only one. That's

1205
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:39,080
Attorney Baker.
What I understand there was

1206
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:42,720
two that resigned and two others were
appointed, but they didn't show up to be

1207
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:46,680
sworn in.
So, as of right now, we have one board

1208
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,680
member.

1209
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:53,400
» And that is
>> Attorney Baker.

1210
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:55,920
Assistant County Attorney.
>> Oh, um

1211
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,640
Catherine Baker.
>> Yes.

1212
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:03,360
» Okay.
All right. Um

1213
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,360
So,

1214
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:12,680
we took money that the county allocated,
this

1215
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:19,320
horseshoe allocated
for the law library

1216
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:22,280
and we paid off a car.
>> That's correct.

1217
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:24,760
» for a private entity.
>> That's correct.

1218
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:32,320
» That we have a contract with, but
there's nothing in that contract about

1219
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:36,000
telling
us we'll pay a car off.

1220
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:41,000
» Not that I'm aware of.
>> It's just all of a sudden, poof, we paid

1221
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,000
a car off.

1222
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:50,760
Okay. And
that's what I don't understand. We're

1223
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:53,760
missing something here
that

1224
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:57,080
I
I can't help but think that shouldn't

1225
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,680
have been appropriated by this
horseshoe.

1226
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:04,840
» Well, I mean, it still has to be signed
off on

1227
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:07,720
a library board member.
Now, last year, I don't I don't know how

1228
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:11,040
many
I think they had three or

1229
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,000
board members.
>> Right.

1230
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:16,880
» It still has to be signed off by the law
library board.

1231
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:20,440
» Uh-huh. And only one signed off on it,
correct?

1232
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:24,480
» It was signed off on that vehicle to be
paid off.

1233
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:29,080
» One
board member signed off.

1234
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:32,200
» Yes, one There's only one signature on
the invoice.

1235
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:35,520
» Uh-huh. And there were three board
members at the time.

1236
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:38,440
» I'm not sure at the time
when this was paid off, I'm not sure

1237
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:42,680
about
the board members.

1238
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:42,680
» Okay.

1239
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:55,360
I just I just don't understand, I guess,
how

1240
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:59,360
we can appropriate the money out of our
county funds

1241
01:29:57,917 --> 01:30:07,600
» [clears throat]
>> and then send it to an entity. It would

1242
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:10,920
uh It would seem only right
that if that

1243
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:19,560
money got taken out and
who decided where the money be taken out

1244
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,880
or not?
>> Not the vehicle?

1245
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:26,680
» Uh no.
Uh out of the out of the law library.

1246
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:31,200
Who decided that?
>> Take money

1247
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:34,960
I'm not sure I understand the question.
>> Okay.

1248
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:37,080
You have money left over in the law
library.

1249
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:42,160
» Yes.
>> And all of a sudden

1250
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:47,840
you zero out law library.
And it put in another account

1251
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:56,000
that is designated
to be able to be spent however

1252
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:58,320
without the appropriation of this board.
>> Well, it's it doesn't have to be

1253
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:04,200
appropriated.
That's why it was moved.

1254
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,200
» Okay, but it was appropriated in.

1255
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:13,280
But once we appropriated in
then we have no say so.

1256
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:17,560
» The quorum court does not.
I mean, you really don't you have say so

1257
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:20,960
before
to set their the amount of budget that

1258
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:25,200
they requested.
But the law library still the law

1259
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:31,040
library board
was still in charge of the expenses.

1260
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:35,520
The same way now it's just there's no
appropriations required. Still the law

1261
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:40,520
library board
they're supposed is the one supposed to

1262
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:40,520
be expending the money.

1263
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:47,080
But it was my suggestion
to get it in compliance with the

1264
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:49,840
legislative audit.
It's my suggestion.

1265
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:54,720
» Okay,
as in

1266
01:31:51,880 --> 01:32:00,960
what aspect in compliance?
>> To move it from the 3400 series into the

1267
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:03,720
what legislative audit says it should
where it should be.

1268
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:07,240
» Okay.

1269
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:14,400
Without any notification to this board
whatsoever.

1270
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:17,200
» County court court.
>> to get a court order.

1271
01:32:17,480 --> 01:32:22,640
Signed by the county judge to
to do this.

1272
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:25,080
» You had to do what? Get a court
>> order.

1273
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:28,760
» From?
>> County judge, the county court.

1274
01:32:27,480 --> 01:32:32,600
To move money
from one fund to the other.

1275
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:36,640
But I mean that
I suggested that would probably be the

1276
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:41,000
best thing to do.
>> So, you got a court order

1277
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:43,920
on the county court.
>> Mhm.

1278
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:46,920
» Not a judicial court.
>> Correct.

1279
01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:51,600
» Okay.
And that person paid off

1280
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,760
this vehicle.
Is that correct?

1281
01:32:52,680 --> 01:33:00,000
» They did what?
>> That That person is the one who directed

1282
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:04,640
for this vehicle to be paid off?
>> It is County Judge Deacons.

1283
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,640
» Okay.

1284
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:13,000
That's what
>> Well, I mean it's Again, it's

1285
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:17,400
It's the law library board's decision.
Whether it's budgeted or not, it's still

1286
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:21,680
their decision on the expenses.
That's who That's by statute.

1287
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:24,000
» The one lone person who works for the
judge.

1288
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:27,600
» Well, when the vehicle was bought, I'm I
don't know the I don't I don't know the

1289
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:31,800
makeup of the law library at that time.
Law library board.

1290
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:37,240
» Well, the law library
bought I mean, didn't buy the car. The

1291
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:41,160
uh returning home bought the car, and
they bought it with an ARVFS loan.

1292
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:44,080
» Yes.
>> We paid the loan off.

1293
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:47,824
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1294
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:51,720
Without
>> [snorts]

1295
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:58,520
» you know, by bringing the money back to
the county judge who had sole

1296
01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:02,120
say so on
what was going to happen with this

1297
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:04,920
money.
And then

1298
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:11,720
he authorizes the payoff
and gets that car paid off.

1299
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:17,840
I mean, it just
it smells bad.

1300
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:26,920
» It It signed off over for me and
>> Well, I I don't blame you. But I I know

1301
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:31,920
» to write the check so
>> I don't blame you at all. Uh

1302
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:37,600
I just wanted to make sure I got it
right from you.

1303
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:41,720
You know, I I I clearly understand that
you did what

1304
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:47,360
you know, the law what you thought the
law stated and

1305
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:51,840
and so I I commend you for that, but
it's just, you know, we appropriate that

1306
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:55,840
money out, we should be able to
appropriate that money to wherever we

1307
01:34:54,760 --> 01:35:01,480
go,
you know, to

1308
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:05,880
you know, I I just that's 300 and some
thousand dollars that

1309
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:08,880
we could have had back in our
budget

1310
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:16,480
insurance things.
>> That's specific money that's supposed to

1311
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:20,960
go to law library. It's not It is
Well, it's judicial uh

1312
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:27,920
municipalities district courts
user fees, court costs.

1313
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:31,480
Part of that goes to law library
by statute.

1314
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:35,240
I mean, that's
We're not stealing stealing. Shouldn't

1315
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:38,240
say that in open court. We're not taking
for the general fund or anything like

1316
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:43,160
that.
That money is specifically specifically

1317
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:48,040
specifically for the law library.
>> We We when we appropriated it, we gave

1318
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:51,520
it out of the general fund.
>> No, you appropriated it out of the law

1319
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:54,240
library fund
to be spent.

1320
01:35:56,440 --> 01:35:59,880
It's all in the law library fund. It's
doesn't have anything to do with any

1321
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:04,480
other fund.
>> Okay, so when we budgeted

1322
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:11,760
the money that we budget for the the the
big budget

1323
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:14,240
does not come out of general fund.
>> Does not.

1324
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:20,320
It's got its specific revenue stream
that goes to the law library to be spent

1325
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:23,240
on the administration of justice by the
law library board.

1326
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:32,280
» Okay, thank you.
>> You're welcome.

1327
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:39,080
» JP Hires
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I I I don't know

1328
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,600
that you're the person to ask this
question of.

1329
01:36:40,440 --> 01:36:45,080
» Well, we'll try.
>> I'm just going to throw this question

1330
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:51,000
out in case someone can answer. I just
want to circle back

1331
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:54,160
to um the statute or this uh what is it?
The citation?

1332
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:57,320
A county law library established
pursuant to this chapter shall be under

1333
01:36:55,640 --> 01:37:00,440
the control of a county law library
board

1334
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:05,000
of not less than three nor more than
five persons. Are we in violation if we

1335
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:08,240
only have one member on that board?
>> If it's

1336
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:10,800
If anything's expended with just one
board member, I would assume we would be

1337
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:14,560
out of compliance.
>> So, we are out of compliance. Okay, and

1338
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,480
do you know how long we've been out of
compliance?

1339
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:21,160
» I do not.
I don't I'm not sure when those other

1340
01:37:18,440 --> 01:37:25,680
ones resigned and when the others didn't
show up to be sworn in. I'm

1341
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:29,920
» Okay, we just we we very quickly
managed to appoint new people to a

1342
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:33,680
planning board, so I'm very curious as
to how long this has been going on and

1343
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:36,800
why we haven't
why I'm just now hearing about it. Very

1344
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:39,200
curious. Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

1345
01:37:42,440 --> 01:37:49,200
» JP Coker
>> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. I think

1346
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:54,640
um my question is sort of like what JP
hires just asked and but you said

1347
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:56,440
more it's that that we're out of what
and what word did you use?

1348
01:37:55,880 --> 01:38:01,520
» compliance.
>> Compliance. So, my question is for

1349
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:06,000
county attorney Mr. Lester, do we even
have a valid library board in Washington

1350
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:10,280
County right now if if we don't have at
least that three

1351
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:13,160
at the statute says shall
>> Right.

1352
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:16,400
» So, do we even have a valid library
board?

1353
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:21,240
» We have so, as it stands now, we have
one member of the county law law library

1354
01:38:19,480 --> 01:38:26,120
board, which means the board cannot take
any action.

1355
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:30,680
Um so, to give some history, there were
several board members who did not take

1356
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:34,280
their oath.
And so, the judge appointed board

1357
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:38,240
members in their absence like an
emergency absence.

1358
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:42,880
The Washington County Bar Association
sent over two nominees to fill the two

1359
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:46,760
spots that were vacant after those
appointments.

1360
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:49,720
The judge through you all filled those
appointments. You all approved those

1361
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:54,400
appointments.
Those two individuals, based on my

1362
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:58,240
understanding, did not ever come in and
have never taken the oath of office and

1363
01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:02,040
therefore never took their positions.
Now, understand I'm I'm going to be very

1364
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:05,640
limited on what I say about this because
there is a pending lawsuit against the

1365
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:10,760
county
against the county judge who I

1366
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:15,560
represent, not the law library board.
Um

1367
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:21,160
after that lawsuit was filed, two
members who were on the board resigned.

1368
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:25,880
That was after the three members that
were on the board voted

1369
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:30,080
on these expenditures, which the board
gets to do. And going back to what

1370
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:36,600
Treasurer Hill said, this is not county
general funds. These are dedicated funds

1371
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:40,560
that are outside of the control or
um

1372
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:45,760
really outside the appropriation of the
quorum court because these are dedicated

1373
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:51,360
funds. And the law library has the the
board has the authority to utilize those

1374
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:56,920
funds as it seems as it sees fit.
Um I think over the past I think

1375
01:39:53,920 --> 01:40:01,480
historically what happened is this this
quorum court would appropriate funds

1376
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:05,920
based on the request from the law
library board.

1377
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:09,440
Um but even before this statute new
statute was passed, it was very clear in

1378
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:15,360
the law
that the law library board controlled

1379
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:18,800
the funds of the law library.
Right?

1380
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:23,520
So, the fact that this quorum court
appropriated funds to a budget is kind

1381
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:27,120
of irrelevant
in my opinion.

1382
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:31,520
Um the statute was clear that those
funds were to be utilized and controlled

1383
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:35,440
by the law library board.
And so, um

1384
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:40,160
yes, there were expenditures.
My understanding, and I can't cite

1385
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:44,680
specifically uh what that is, cuz I am
not a member, nor have I ever been a

1386
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:50,840
member of the law library board,
was that the three members voted

1387
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:55,000
unanimously uh on these expenditures,
which would uh which is

1388
01:40:53,400 --> 01:41:00,360
a majority vote, which is all that's
required for the expenditures. These

1389
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:04,520
expenditures all fall under the
administration of justice, which is

1390
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:11,560
required under the statute of what can
be appropriated from the law library.

1391
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:16,560
Um and so, um at this time, the actual
lawsuit against the judge and the county

1392
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:21,200
is that the board members
weren't compliant. Now, we're in a whole

1393
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:25,120
new area because the two board members
that were on have resigned, leaving one

1394
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:31,360
board member that was
appropriately approved by the county bar

1395
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:35,200
association. So, as it stands now, the
law library board is vacant four

1396
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:38,600
members.
Um

1397
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:45,520
so, it can't conduct any business at
this point until the members that were

1398
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:48,680
sent and approved by you are sworn in,
and that hasn't happened cuz they

1399
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:52,040
haven't been sworn in.
Um so that's kind of where we are right

1400
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:56,680
now.
>> Okay. Um who How would I get a copy of

1401
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,920
the minutes of the board meeting where
those were approved? Who would I

1402
01:41:57,920 --> 01:42:03,440
contact?
>> Uh you could ask Ms. Baker uh or you

1403
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:07,400
could look up the lawsuit because that's
all included in all of that.

1404
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:10,800
» Okay. Just a couple more questions.
Where is the law library?

1405
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:16,480
» There So well, if we want to get into
it, I'll be happy to tell you about the

1406
01:42:15,680 --> 01:42:18,960
law library.
>> Well, but is it it's located

1407
01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:21,480
» let's go ahead.
>> Okay.

1408
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:28,560
» The law library
was uh at the historic courthouse.

1409
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:32,360
We were paying a uh law librarian about
$5,000 a month to manage the law

1410
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:38,680
library.
What we found out is that individual

1411
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:42,080
came into the office about once a month.
Didn't have a computer that was even

1412
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:45,160
hooked up to the internet or anything
like that. So we had a bunch of old

1413
01:42:43,480 --> 01:42:53,160
books down there.
Um basically

1414
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:57,040
law library research is now all digital.
They don't produce books like they used

1415
01:42:54,760 --> 01:43:02,240
to. Used to you would go We have a law
library at the law school that is

1416
01:43:00,320 --> 01:43:05,000
has everything you could ever imagine.
>> I'll go with that.

1417
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:08,160
» have that at the county. So it was an
online resource for people that needed

1418
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:12,360
it.
What we found out or what I understand

1419
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:15,800
that we found out was the only people
that ever accessed

1420
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:21,600
the
account that the law library paid for

1421
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:26,040
were members or former members of the
law library board who are utilizing that

1422
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:29,760
as a research tool in their private
practice, which is illegal.

1423
01:43:28,920 --> 01:43:32,480
Okay?
That's That's what the law library is

1424
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:35,480
for.
These people had access, they were the

1425
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:39,000
only people that had access, and that's
what they utilized it for in their

1426
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:41,640
private practice. As a lawyer, we can't
do that.

1427
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:45,240
Um
So,

1428
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:51,400
uh we set up there were kiosks that were
set up for research.

1429
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:56,920
Uh I believe statistically there was one
or two people a month for the past, I

1430
01:43:54,880 --> 01:44:01,720
don't know how many years,
that would actually utilize those

1431
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:07,160
research tools.
And so, um

1432
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:11,360
that's kind of my understanding without
any further detail, and and that's just

1433
01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:16,040
kind of what I I believe I've heard is
the is what's going on. That's kind of

1434
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:19,880
what where the law library was.
>> So, if I could find a kiosk, I Is it

1435
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:23,920
open to the public?
>> Absolutely. That was the purpose of the

1436
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:26,240
law library is to be open to the public.
>> So, where should I start looking for a

1437
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:31,480
kiosk?
>> Well, the the kiosk that had been set up

1438
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:35,560
years ago, uh one was at the Jones
Center,

1439
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:39,320
and then there was a kiosk set up at the
historic courthouse. Yet, none of those

1440
01:44:37,560 --> 01:44:43,040
computers were plugged in to the
internet

1441
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:45,240
or the electrical outlets.
>> Or the what?

1442
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:47,600
» The electrical outlets.
>> Oh.

1443
01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:51,920
» Which is what it takes for a computer,
obviously, to run. Yeah.

1444
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:55,880
» Okay, so the Jones Center would probably
be my best bet then.

1445
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:58,800
» Last I heard, yes. I I've never been
there, I've never seen it, I don't know

1446
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:01,680
anything about it, but that's what I
heard.

1447
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:06,120
» So, do I need a password?
>> Uh I believe that I don't I don't I

1448
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:09,680
can't answer that. I can't answer any of
those questions. My understanding was

1449
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:13,720
there was it was set up where someone
could come in, the password and every

1450
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:18,400
the username and password was there
available. Um

1451
01:45:16,440 --> 01:45:22,320
but I don't I I've never utilized that,
so I don't know. At one point the law

1452
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:29,200
library
there's a building right next to um

1453
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:33,280
I don't know Barristers Building is what
it used to be called.

1454
01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:38,240
So, the historic courthouse, if you go
north of building, there's the old

1455
01:45:34,920 --> 01:45:41,120
theater as it was called. Um I know at
one point there was Mitchell

1456
01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:44,560
Communications in there and then Seven
Brew was in there.

1457
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:49,360
Right next to it is a building that you
can see the top level

1458
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:53,560
uh from college. There's a garage
entrance between

1459
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:57,400
between the um theater building and the
old jail

1460
01:45:55,120 --> 01:46:00,480
that people go into I don't know who
owns that or whatever, but at one point

1461
01:45:59,080 --> 01:46:03,720
when I I know before I was at the
county, the law library was actually in

1462
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:06,640
that building, which is a private
building not owned by the county or

1463
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:11,080
anything.
Um

1464
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:15,520
Last uh last time the law library was
down on the on the ground floor where

1465
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:19,320
you come into the historic courthouse,
that's where the actual law library was

1466
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:21,640
contained
um at some point.

1467
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,160
» Okay, thank you.
>> You're welcome.

1468
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:31,400
» JP Brunz.
Um

1469
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:37,480
yes, sir.
Uh if that's

1470
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:42,480
if that money does not get appropriated
um through

1471
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:48,920
this horseshoe
can we remove it off of the budget?

1472
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:52,520
» It won't be on the budget coming up.
>> Okay.

1473
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:55,600
All right. So,
but it's been on the budget the past.

1474
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:59,200
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1475
01:46:56,960 --> 01:47:00,320
So, you've removed it off the budget.
That's good.

1476
01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:04,040
» Yes.
>> Yeah. All right. Thank you.

1477
01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:04,040
» You're welcome.

1478
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:10,480
» JP Leming.
>> Thank you, Chair. Brian, are we paying

1479
01:47:08,440 --> 01:47:13,320
anybody now to do that?
>> No, we're not.

1480
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:15,480
» Okay, so that 5,000's going into the
library fund.

1481
01:47:14,760 --> 01:47:17,880
» That's correct.
>> Thank you.

1482
01:47:18,600 --> 01:47:21,680
» Any other questions?

1483
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:25,440
Treasurer Harold, do you have anything
else?

1484
01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:28,880
» Nope, that's all I had.
>> All right, thank you, sir.

1485
01:47:26,520 --> 01:47:28,880
» Thank you.

1486
01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:40,720
» Thank you.

1487
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:48,440
» Okay, now we're jumping to item 11.
Which is an ordinance amending the

1488
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:52,440
county jail operations and maintenance
budget for 2026. As I understand it,

1489
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:57,680
this is
re-appropriate there were

1490
01:47:54,240 --> 01:48:03,040
funds appropriated for replacement of
air conditioners that we do so many

1491
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:06,200
every so year every every year.
And so, [clears throat] last year it

1492
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:10,160
wasn't fully used, it was pulled into
the unappropriated or pulled it back out

1493
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:15,280
of unappropriated so we can do that this
year. Sheriff, is Did I state that

1494
01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:15,280
correctly, sir?

1495
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:26,360
» Uh yes, Mr. Chairman, [clears throat]
that's that's correct. We just didn't

1496
01:48:24,120 --> 01:48:30,160
get it done last year. Uh the year ran
out before we got to spend the money and

1497
01:48:28,440 --> 01:48:34,480
it rolled back into the unappropriated
reserves in the jail fund and

1498
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:37,960
we'd like to ask that be re-appropriated
so we can continue with our air

1499
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:40,000
conditioner replacement cycle.
>> Okay.

1500
01:48:41,240 --> 01:48:43,720
JP Lem

1501
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:50,440
Sorry.
>> Yes, I'd like to make amendment to this.

1502
01:48:48,520 --> 01:48:55,840
I I just really don't think that the
words the writing on

1503
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:59,200
uh line 18 is necessary. I don't think
it has anything to do with this. I think

1504
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:02,600
that's just a punch in the sheriff's
gut. So, I'd like to have that language

1505
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:05,920
removed.
>> Second.

1506
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:10,680
» So, I have a motion by JP Lemming to
amend this ordinance removing

1507
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:14,440
line 18
>> and part of 19.

1508
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:18,880
» Through basically line 18 started with
through through the comma county funds

1509
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:23,600
on line 19. Is that correct, Mr. Chair?
>> I think that's not necessary.

1510
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:26,400
» And I have a second by JP Harris. Thank
you, JP Harris.

1511
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:32,360
Discussion
on the amendment.

1512
01:49:37,320 --> 01:49:41,720
JP Coger.
>> I'm not sure

1513
01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:46,120
I'd like to ask if
the if these were

1514
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:50,160
what we just removed the
change in procurement procedures or that

1515
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:54,880
were instituted, what were they and are
they still in effect? Is should that

1516
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:58,400
wait for the final motion?
>> So, that was in the amendment. So, that

1517
01:49:56,720 --> 01:50:02,640
would say So, it'd still be whereas in
2025 a change in procurement procedures

1518
01:50:00,480 --> 01:50:06,520
was initiated
which required two additional bidding

1519
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:11,120
processes that had not been required in
years past. First bids were solicited

1520
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:15,560
for the for a consultant to assist with
the bidding process of the RTUs, then

1521
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:19,960
the RTUs themselves
to be sent out to bid.

1522
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:21,920
Is what that would read with the what
we're striking out.

1523
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:26,960
» Okay.
So, are those

1524
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:29,880
procurement changes still in effect?
>> My understanding

1525
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:35,040
regarding the two
the procurement change requiring the two

1526
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:38,400
different bids, one for a consultant and
one for the

1527
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:39,000
for the actual units are still in
effect.

1528
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:41,840
» I think so.
>> Okay.

1529
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:46,240
» Yeah, I I would say yes.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1530
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:51,200
» JP Stafford.
>> I'm against removing this because this

1531
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:53,760
is what actually happened.
>> I'm sorry.

1532
01:50:54,440 --> 01:50:56,880
Sorry, I

1533
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:00,720
» Thank you, Chair. I was too far away
from the microphone.

1534
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:04,240
Uh
I'm against removing this language

1535
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:07,400
because this is just a factual statement
of what actually happened.

1536
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:14,000
» Okay.
JP Washington.

1537
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:17,400
» Um thank you, Chair. Is that entire
paragraph needed at all?

1538
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:22,640
Um,
because we're amending the budget

1539
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:27,080
because
the bid

1540
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:31,200
they won the bid in on December 3rd,
right? But, because it was the end of

1541
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:35,440
the year, it wasn't
funded. And so, now we're basically just

1542
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:41,240
reappropriating money that we've already
appropriated. Is that second whereas

1543
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:46,720
even necessary? Does that add any
additional meeting meaning

1544
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:50,280
to the entire ordinance? I I just don't
believe that it does, and I would just

1545
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:54,360
like to amend the amendment that that
entire paragraph be removed.

1546
01:52:05,880 --> 01:52:10,040
» Yeah, we do. Let's Let's finish that,
then we'll come back

1547
01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:14,400
to your
further amendment.

1548
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,400
That's okay.

1549
01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:18,880
» You can amend them in a minute.
>> Or you can amend

1550
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:21,240
Okay.
Okay.

1551
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:26,560
Yeah, thank you.
So,

1552
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:36,280
Yeah, so so the the amendment on the
table now

1553
01:52:33,440 --> 01:52:40,640
is to remove the second whereas
entirely. Is that correct? Okay.

1554
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:48,080
Yes.
By JP Washington, second by JP

1555
01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:50,760
Massengale.
Discussion?

1556
01:52:53,320 --> 01:53:00,960
No discussion. So, we have an amendment
to remove the entire second whereas,

1557
01:52:58,440 --> 01:53:04,560
lines 17 through line 21
from this ordinance by JP Washington,

1558
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:06,520
second by JP Massengale. All those in
favor say "Aye."

1559
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:08,640
» Aye.
>> All those opposed?

1560
01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:12,000
» No.
>> It passes. So that second whereas is

1561
01:53:10,440 --> 01:53:16,200
removed.
Which more or less does away with the

1562
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:19,720
first All right. So the first amendment
dies.

1563
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:19,720
Good.

1564
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:28,960
So I I need to entertain a motion on
this.

1565
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:32,640
» Motion passes.
>> So JP Leming has made a motion to pass

1566
01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:36,640
this on to the full
quorum court the amended ordinance onto

1567
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:45,640
the full quorum court to do pass
recommendation seconded by JP Dean.

1568
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:45,640
Any other discussion on this ordinance?

1569
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:50,200
Seeing none, any citizen comment?

1570
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:58,200
Seeing none, um have a motion by JP
Leming to pass item

1571
01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:02,720
11
to the full quorum court to do pass

1572
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:04,640
recommendation seconded by JP Dean. All
those in favor say I.

1573
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:09,040
» I.
>> All those opposed?

1574
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:09,040
That passes.

1575
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:23,320
So item 12 is an ordinance anticipating
additional revenue in the amount of

1576
01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:28,240
$10,898
in the law enforcement grant fund and

1577
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:34,800
appropriating $10,898
from the law enforcement grant fund to

1578
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:34,800
the JAG grant budget for 2026.

1579
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:42,800
JP Ricker.
>> Motion pass full quorum court do pass.

1580
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:50,840
» So I have a motion to pass item 12 to
the full quorum court to do pass

1581
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:54,880
recommendation by JP Ricker seconded by
JP Dean. Any discussion?

1582
01:54:55,720 --> 01:55:01,560
Citizens comment.
I have a motion to pass item 12 to the

1583
01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:06,120
full quorum court to do pass
recommendation by JP Ricker seconded by

1584
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:08,800
JP Dean. All those in favor say I.
>> I.

1585
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:11,600
» All those opposed?
That passes.

1586
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:21,000
Item 13 is an ordinance recognizing
additional revenue in the amount of

1587
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:26,520
$43,118.57
in the road department fund and

1588
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:26,520
appropriating $43,118.57

1589
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:31,720
to the road department budget for 2026.
JP Ricker.

1590
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:34,520
» Motion pass full quorum court due pass
recommendation.

1591
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:42,520
» Have a motion to pass item 13 the full
quorum court the due pass recommendation

1592
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:45,200
by JP Ricker and seconded by JP Dean.
Discussion?

1593
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:51,720
Citizen comment.
So I have a motion by JP Ricker to pass

1594
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:55,240
item 13 the full quorum court the due
pass recommendation seconded by JP Dean.

1595
01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:57,920
All those in favor say I.
>> I.

1596
01:55:55,880 --> 01:56:00,720
» All those opposed?
That passes.

1597
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:06,920
Do we have citizens comments item 14?

1598
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:11,520
JP Lopez.
>> [clears throat]

1599
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:15,400
» I would like to add a Should I add items
to the consent agenda after or before

1600
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:20,960
citizens comment? Now, um I believe the
only ones that qualify then items

1601
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:24,360
uh 12 and 13 to consent agenda I believe
we weren't in consensus on

1602
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:29,960
the item before that
>> Which one? 12 13?

1603
01:56:26,040 --> 01:56:34,640
» Uh 12 and 13. I don't think 11 passed
uh without like all in agreement.

1604
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:36,360
» So 11 you want to add 11 12 and 13 to
>> Okay. Yeah.

1605
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:40,680
» Is that what Am I
>> Can we add 11? Even if it wasn't Okay.

1606
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:45,560
Then yes, 11 through 13
on the consent agenda.

1607
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,560
» What's that called?

1608
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:50,960
» Consent agenda.
>> Thank you. Sorry.

1609
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,840
» Do I have a second?

1610
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:56,480
» Second.

1611
01:56:59,120 --> 01:57:06,480
» So I have a motion by JP Lopez, seconded
by JP Rickard at to have items 11, 12,

1612
01:57:04,640 --> 01:57:10,440
and 13 on the consent agenda for the
quorum court.

1613
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:10,440
Discussion?

1614
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:15,040
All those in favor, say I.
>> I.

1615
01:57:13,480 --> 01:57:18,440
» All those opposed?
Okay, that passes. Item 14, citizen

1616
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:23,920
comment.
Three minutes per person and a total of

1617
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:27,040
12 minutes. Any special citizen comment
tonight?

1618
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:30,200
Seeing none, thank you for coming
everybody. We're adjourned.