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Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to welcome each of you. We do have a fairly large crowd tonight, and we will try to move along as smoothly as possible. First of all, I'd like to ask everyone in the room to put either turn yourself into all for place-in-one. Silence out. Consideration to everyone else here. Next, I'm going to ask everyone, I'm going to ask Mr. Bruce Bando, Bando to have an indication. Mr. Joe Hutton, have a pledge of

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allegiance.

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pledge allegiance.

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Thank you, gentlemen.

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We will be having a joint meeting with the Planning Commission in just a little while, but

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the first item on our agenda is a public comment.

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At this time, the Board will help public comment from those registered speak.

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Please come to the podium as I call your name.

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Please, please state your name, mailing address and the organization you represent.

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Each speaker will have five minutes for comments beginning with the green light at the

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podium.

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With one minute remaining when the green light begins collecting and 30 seconds remaining to

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conclude when the yellow light appears, speakers reminded that the board members of staff would not at their

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questions or otherwise engage speakers during the public comment time.

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The matters in which the members of which speakers may address the board should be limited legitimate matters of

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county business, those speakers shall engage political statements, personal attacks upon board members,

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The county employees are officials or any other person, nor are speakers in time to use the

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abusive language, or discuss matters outside the authority to the Board of Supervisors.

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We, I know some people sign up when they come in for things we do have someone here to

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speak on the quarry.

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Other things also, the one on the, the, the Brawl Mealker, the milk

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tonight. This would not be a public hearing. We're only having a presentation.

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So we will not be discussing this.

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All right, the board members.

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This is strictly for information for us.

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But we will not have people come up to the podium and speak it or not only agenda.

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I do ask you if you have signed up for anything.

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It's only a agenda for a public hearing.

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I ask you to let me move you to the other.

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If not, you'll have five minutes.

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We will not respond to you.

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If you wait till we have the public hearing,

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We can answer questions if you want to ask

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first one on the list is Carla Dolce are

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they here?

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Or do you want to speak now? Are you here for another matter?

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Well since we're not we're not having public hearing on that so I suppose you can come and speak on it

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if you would please give it your name and address

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Okay, my name is Carla Dolce and I live at three 15 low-lit street southeast and having them

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And I don't represent anybody but myself

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I'm responding basically to the Washington County Board of Supervisors and Agricultural Committee

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view on raw milk and uninspected meat and I'm here to basically to support my local farmers.

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But to make concerning benefits of raw milk and illnesses caused by its consumption ranges

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with information and misinformation.

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What is apparent is that the debate has far less to do with realistic health concerns and

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more to do with business interests.

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This is clearly an issue of big business versus small family farms.

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If there was ever a case for letting the market operate freely from free from government interference,

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this is it, with all the family owned farms in Washington County and all the business

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transacted directly between those farms and the residents of this county at farmer's markets,

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this board has every reason to protect small farms and not impose any sort of barrier to the business

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conducted between farmers and consumers.

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The health issue is just really quite interesting, but the CDC has reported that there were

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three deaths from supposedly from consuming raw milk between 1987 and 2010.

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Compare that with some other risks that we all face, for example, the Centers for Disease Control

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estimates that 250 people die each day from hospital-acquired infections, so that during that same

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period of time when three people allegedly died from drinking raw milk, 3 million people died

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from hospital acquired infections. So someone were to get sick from drinking raw milk and then

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go to the hospital statistically they would have a much better chance of dying from a hospital

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acquired infection than from drinking raw milk. Now I have faith that this board recognizes

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the raw milk and unexpected meat issue as strictly a business issue. Big agribusiness versus

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low family farms. And I also have faith that this board will let the free market work and allow

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family farms to sell their goods directly to consumers as permitted by Virginia Law without

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any interference from the county government. Thank

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you.

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Welcome, sir.

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I'm going to have my live in

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a matter of view on Poppy Lane, although I'm just over the border sign and this forpinning some

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district. I'm a professor of in Marine Henry College. I teach courses in Sustainable Agriculture.

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I'm here to speak about the milk issue. I'm also the director of the harvest table restaurant and

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Metabute. It's on Metabute Square that supports small scale farmers. We've supported over 100 farmers in the

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eight years that we've been there, including Mr. McIntyre, who's speaking. I'm also on the board of

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Appalachian Sustainable Development, which looks into farming issues in this region. And so you can see

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I've been thinking about farming issues for a long time, particularly small scale issues,

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and I'd like to submit some papers to the board, and I do that how would I?

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We'll look at a very few handled Mr. Berry, right there.

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Because this issue of unprocessed milk has become a national issue,

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and it's been addressed by a lot of states.

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And one of the models for how to address this has emerged in the state of Michigan,

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which is one of the top dairy producers.

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And these are the recommendations I have one copy for each member of the board.

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And basically I won't read it.

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It's 104 page report and it summarized in some bullet points that are over here.

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And basically what they're saying is it should be allowed.

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And accountability should be ensured by both producers and the people who purchase the mail.

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So I'm here in support of allowing local farmers to sell their unprocessed fresh mail up directly to consumers.

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We have a couple of years of sign-up for us to speak on the rock quarry, Ms. John Eckenberger.

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I'll pass. I'll wait.

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And, Max, wine guard.

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Thank you, sir.

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Jim.

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Simpson,

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welcome sir.

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Jim Simpson, 1, 3, 6, 3, 0, Rivera, Drive, Mendoza, Virginia, 2, 4, 2, 7, 0, and I, 2, represent no, 1, 7, 7, so.

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Does it end up the past few days since the election? I received some very disturbing information that's not done right disgusting.

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And I will use a ledge because it hasn't come to any legal matter yet, but there have been

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many allegations from many different people that the pre-election were all the signs appeared.

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Seems like a lot of them were missing.

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And some I understand were for members of the board.

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If you go to pick only by the pick only, I'm not picking only by you.

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You are the board, but they're all you're a little chicken, sir, whatever you want to call.

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But nevertheless, the person knows who it is and there might be more than one.

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And I find it downright disgusting or childish if in fact this is the case and come to litigation

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yet, but it's going to.

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And if this is so, this individual or these people need to be removed from this board, that's a childish thing that happened when you're pulling pranks of Halloween.

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Not for adults, they're in positions like we're in right now.

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So I appreciate the time, and I hope you take it to heart, dig in there, and find out what's going on. Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Here?

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I'm a drinker, and I don't represent, well I think I represent a lot of people.

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So I won't take five minutes, but in the invocation someone mentioned the right to live

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in a free country, and I just moved here about two months ago from New Jersey for that

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very freedom.

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I can't say that I agree with everything, and with all due reverence and respect, there's

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lot of people waving flags and I'm not sure I agree with all of their points but one thing

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is very clear to me that freedom that I moved here for included the right to eat what I want

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to eat the right to drink but I want to drink and not to be told what I can and can't do with

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my own body. So I think that there's some thinking about, and I think you'll find that

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as time goes on in the years past, there are more people up north who would move here for

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those same kinds of reasons. But if you become the north, there's nothing, there's nothing left.

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You know, there's no place to go. So remember those freedoms. Thank you. Thank

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you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Can't read the first name, flanary.

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Also on the court.

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If I may.

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If I may.

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If you may.

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My name is Missy Flanary and I'll live at 16371 Pine Hill Road.

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I'll also own 16391 Pine Hill Road.

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It's nice to finally get to meet Mr. Owens.

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I have a criminal issue right beside of my bedroom window.

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in the reason that I'm coughing like I am is on a track to land that's no water

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than a right away. These two women have perched in there and said, I'm not going to respect

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any zone in law or any septic law or any kind of any kind of law that we do adhere to,

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live free and clean and quietly, safely. The county has been helpful to me, Mr. from

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Mr. Hilderbrand, to the officers, to the County Administrator's Mr. Owens, that I just

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wanted to come tonight to bring it to the board to tension because these two women are

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the kind of people that when my mother and I about air home, we jump through every hoop to have it

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legal, to have it resellable, to have it inheritable. These people say, I'm not going to invest

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a dime and I'm going to live on it like it is and there's nothing you can do about it. I have obtained

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four protective orders. One man has been put in jail for trying to run me off the road. I've had

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and shot over my house, we go to court on the eight tank and I just wanted to bring it to the

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board's attention to please keep us in mind and hopefully you will not seem again.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Dick and Senator

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Sandra,

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that give you the last name.

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A.L.A. in. Okay.

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Welcome.

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I live at 273 Spring Branch Road in Bristol, Virginia.

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Some of you may know me as an attorney in this area. Probably far fewer know that I'm also a farmer.

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We do vegetables and eggs on 64 acres, and I've been a vendor at the Bristol Market before years, and I haven't been Market for 2 years.

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There is an issue tonight that's being discussed about now.

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I would just like to preface the discussions with a few facts.

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I spoke with the CDC yesterday, and I found out in 13 years from 1993 to 2006, there were

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121 incidences involving milk, both pasteurized and unpasteurized.

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That's roughly 5,000 people over a 13-year period in the entire nation.

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There were almost twice as many illnesses from pastureised milk as it were on pastureised

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milk, although admittedly fewer people drink on pastureised milk.

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My comparison, as someone else also said to you, over a 13-year period for Washington County

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Virginia alone, consider the hospitalizations, illnesses, and deaths from cigarette smoking,

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gunshot wounds, automobile accidents, probably in excess of 5,000 for our little pounding

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over that period of time, where there were 5,000 for the entire nation,

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Virginia has adopted

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the federal regulations regarding milk and it is very comprehensive. It regulates the distribution

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and sale of milk. It does not regulate consumption as such. Do we really want laws that

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prohibit a family from putting a picture of milk on their table that comes from messy,

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their cow in their barn in their backyard?

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Please remember this issue of milk refers to both

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unpasturized and pasteurized milk. And both cause a very insignificant danger to society.

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Finally, I draw your attention to Virginia Code regarding your ability to review this issue.

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And if I may, I'll pass this to one of you to pass up.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Chair and Nicole.

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Members of the Board of Supervisors.

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I'm Anthony Flock and then Tom.

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My wife and I live on in 18157 Windville Road, just outside of the town limits.

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And I'm going to use my time to also dress the milk and the egg and poultry issue.

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Speaking, first is a consumer, and then briefly as another small farmer, like Dwayne McIntyre and a lot of other folks here.

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As a consumer, we've been for more than 10 years, maybe 12 or 13, we've Lori and I've been by nearly all of our poultry, chickens and turkeys both as well as our eggs.

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And for that matter, most of our meats from local farmers, who sold the Abbeyton and other markets.

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And for the last six years, I think it is.

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we've had a share in a cow in three different farms over that time.

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And I'll say that for all that stuff, the eggs, the poultry, the meats, the raw milk,

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the quality has been outstanding.

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I mean, that's why we do it, and that's why a lot of other folks do it.

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The taste, the nutrition is just extraordinary.

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You can't get anything like it in the supermarket, you just can't.

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The farmers, I think it's that way because all the farmers do in this, just take great care of what they're doing, they know what they're doing, how they manage their herds, how they manage their pasture, how they manage the whole process of either picking up eggs,

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are in chickens or getting milk they do it with their customers in mind with safe

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clean cleanliness in mind so we both feel in our experience from eating one heck of

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a lot of chicken eggs and drinking milk over these last 10 to 12 years not only have we

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never gotten sick but the quality has just been just without a peer it's been fantastic.

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As a small farmer we've been farming now commercially for about 22 years we grow organic fruits

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vegetables and we spend a lot of time talking to folks like Dwayne McIntyre and David

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King and Dan Smith and others who are here tonight and for small farmers, a number

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of you on the board know what it's like, the margins are small. We are all the time trying

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to figure out both how to be more productive on our land whether we're growing vegetables

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or raising animals and at the same time to find new ways to sell better markets and new products

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And one of the things that the heard shares and the chicken and eggs have done is they've opened up new markets.

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We've got a lot more of that going on now than we could have dreamed of a decade or so ago.

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And that's been good for the community.

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And it's been good for farmers, ain't getting rich.

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But they like we have a chance to at least get a decent return on what we sell because of these direct relationships with consumers.

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And because we all have to do a bang-up job with the quality of what we do and that's everything from looks, the flavor, to safety and cleanliness and it's because these folks are doing a bang-up job, we're doing that, that the market has grown so well.

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So, you know, to sum it up as other folks have said, we take risks and everything we do and we take risks whenever we eat.

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And I think the only reason to change the existing law on these would be if these transactions

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pose really serious threats to consumer health.

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And there's just no evidence to support that in Washington County or anywhere nearby.

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And all this record, and if I know evidence of people being made sick and I think a light

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of that in light of the demand and the important contribution to the county, I hope that you'll

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do everything you can.

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not only to stop any sort of additional regulation but to really support

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least farmers who are pioneering the way for us.

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Thank you so much.

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Ms. M. M.

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Ms. Dan Smith, 17091 Hollis Lane,

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Mr. Silver Jr.

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I represent Robe Farm.

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Mr. Chairman, I'm members of the Board.

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My family farms 124 acres along the North Fork of the Holster River.

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Nearmond, Western Washington County.

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We are a first-generation family farm that has been in operation for seven years.

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We produce a certified organic produce and a certified organic seed for wholesale markets.

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We also produce vegetables, beef, pork, poultry, and dairy for our own use, and for

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the use of individuals in our community who are interested in naturally grown, local, quality

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food.

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The Commonwealth of Virginia allows unspected on farm processing of several thousand

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meat birds a year for sale directly from the farmer to the consumer.

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Our friends in this community are eager to purchase local, local, humanely raised, pastured

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poultry.

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There was not raised in a two-foot cubic cage eight states away.

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We know that if we provide them an inferior product, it'll be the last time they buy

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from us.

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This is the same chicken that I feed to my own children.

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The laws of the Commonwealth allow the consumption of raw milk from a cow that you own,

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so we operate a raw milk herd share.

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The local folks who want raw milk for nutrition, health and quality, we sell and divide

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the shares of our herd, and our owners in turn are entitled to their share of the herd's

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production.

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As far as public health is concerned, this herd share is a private arrangement.

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Only owners of our herd receive the raw milk we produce.

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Every owner in our herd share has a farmed in riding that it is illegal to sell raw milk

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in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

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If anyone is selling raw milk in Washington County, they are breaking the law.

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It's wrong.

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My dream for my family is that we will be able to live primarily from the stewardship and the increase of our land, and a sustainable, profitable farming operation that provides quality healthy food for our neighbors here in Washington County.

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I ask that you not take any action that hinders the freedom of farmers like me to feed our community. Thank you.

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My

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name is Ruth Condit, and I live at 437 Brook Hill Drive in Abdington, Virginia, and my husband and I moved Abdington last year.

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One of the big attractions of this area, to us, was the vibrancy of the farmer's market, and the availability of locally grown foods.

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We are consumers of raw milk. My husband is a medical doctor and he's a licensed physician in the Commonwealth of Virginia and he

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I actually am representing him too. He told me I could say that and

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He's very aware of the benefits and the risks of raw milk and we both researched it before we started drinking it

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And we both enjoy it without worry and we're making an informed choice to drink this milk and I would ask you all

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Please do not make any laws that would restrict our choice. Thank you.

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I am Bill

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I've

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been laying down, I live at 1-3-3 Jackson Street here in town, and I'm a single

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bad, so I represent 0-3, so I have no babysitting.

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I'm here to simply share my positive experience of being a heard share owner, my family's

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drunk, raw milk, from three different heard shares that we've been invested in over the last

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going on 10 years, I guess, dance my, if you just spoke, I work vested in his farm,

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we've been with him for three or four years now, I suppose. I just wanted to share my positive

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experience with that and the benefits of being at home per chair owner as I see it.

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I like being invested in a family business rather than a corporation, being invested in a dairy

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operation like that is expensive when I look at my budget for milk, it's five or six times higher,

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most people pay but for me the nutrition and the the connection but I guess that we have

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with the farm and the operation is worth it for me. It's some of the best milk I've ever

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drunk. I'm the second Yankee here I'm from Northern Vermont which is another big dairy operation

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I'm from a big Dutch community and growing up all of my friends were the sons of dairy farmers

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and so I never had the opportunity to live on a dairy farm, but as much as I could get out

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of my parents' house, I was probably on a dairy farm, so I learned a lot about running

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a dairy farm and safe handling of milk and how to milk a cow and how not to get run

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over by a cow and a dairy barn from one I was young. I like having that experience for

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my kids too where they can go out and see the farm and be on it. You know where their milk

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comes from and have relationship with the people who are bringing it to us.

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It's it's it's it's good for them.

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We have a bad panel in the middle

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opportunity to if anything to have it be more accessible.

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I'd like to see more farmers have the opportunity to see the profit and business opportunity to

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make raw milk available to more people.

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So that may be in the future it might not even be so soon to be a to be a knowner

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But thank you for your time. I just wanted to share that with you

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Thank you very much

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Thank you

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Thank you

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Thank the Board of Supervisors for the sub-continent to speak tonight. I live at two three two two zero Northsburg River Road along the Northsburg Coast and River

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been farming there for 20 years with my family, good place to raise our family,

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it's our way of living, it's where we get our income from, and been doing that for the

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20 years we lived there with raising organic produce, and I'm here to support small farmers and I just

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I want to echo what Anthony Flakavente and Dan Smey said. I fully agree with them. I

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heartily echo what they said that this is an opportunity for small farmers that we

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cherish. In small farmers are very important to our local economy and we need to support them

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and to make it where they can be prosperous and not put any hindrance in the way of small farmers.

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not to be shackled with excess regulations.

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Our country was founded on principles of freedom and liberty.

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It helped to make this a great and prosperous country,

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a good place to live in.

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And I said, let's try to keep it that way.

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We're farmers have the freedom to do what they need to do.

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And let the consumers, once this type of food,

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Let's give them the opportunity.

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This is like a rising tide amongst us

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where more and more people are finding out the benefits

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and they want this kind of food.

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They are all milk from cow shares and the opportunity

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to purchase the unexpected chicken meat and eggs

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at the market and we take our unexpected eggs to market it.

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appreciate the opportunity to do that, to market them and I think that the sport of supervisors

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has heard a lot about the need to leave the industry on Shackoden and the way that it

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is and rather, you know, to everything you can to support this type of industry. And not only

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that I just want to put a bug in your ears tonight that I think that all Virginians ought

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to have the opportunity to have raw milk. There's a raw milk bill that's been

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put before the folks in Richmond and coming up again and I think it's a real good thing

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where there's something people want. That would just like to take maybe just a moment to let

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audience have a chance to raise their hands for anybody that thinks that the consumer should

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have the free right to buy a wrong meal as they choose to.

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Wow, what a what a consensus here

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of people who want to buy a wrong meal. I thank you so much for the opportunity to speak

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Next speaker is here to speak on the core of Toby Jordan, you want to wait.

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That's what we think too.

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Next was Andy Stockner.

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Good evening, Boris.

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My name is Andy Stockner.

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I'm from 184 Mountain.

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You drive, having an engineer in Glenrokey.

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I'm a fixed supporter of the local farmer.

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Hi, I grew up on a 85 acre farm in Hillsville, Virginia, where we've milked

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cows and trying to crawl milk in and sold the raw milk to our community. Our community was one of the

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healthiest people in our county. My brothers and I, we really enjoyed the raw milk and unexpected

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me, where we would meet, it would be a community thing in Thanksgiving, where we'd meet and

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and butcher hogs in order to provide for our family and also for the community and also we

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do that with the cows so I would ask that you would not put any more regulation on the local

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farmers. There are hundreds of cowschairs legally operating in the state of Virginia and it's been

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the policy of Richmond to not interfere with private contractual interactions of cowschairs

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and Washington County should follow Richmond's example.

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Thank you.

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Have one more on the list, Jackie Williamson, you want to wait.

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Thank you.

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I do not have any more on this list.

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I don't know if anyone else has signed up,

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back here, here's everyone else here, like to speak,

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hearing public comment time.

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If not, I'll declare the public hearing closed.

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Next is going to be our joint meeting with the Plan of Commission.

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I'm going to ask the Chairman of the Planning Ms.

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Charlie Hargis called his board to order the next part of the meeting.

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Thank you Mr. McCall, I'm calling meeting you order, Washington County Planning Commission.

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First on our agenda is approval of the meeting agenda.

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So moved, second.

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I moved by Mr. Winder and seconded Mr. Dando. All those in favor please raise your hand.

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We have six years, I just felt he's absent this evening.

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Let's see next on our agenda, presentation of the special exception request of Ms. Freeman.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Commission members.

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We have both tonight a request for a rezoning and a special exception permit.

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I'm not sure if it'd be the pleasure of the planning commission to hear both at the same time.

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Yes?

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Okay.

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We need to vote on this. We've got to come and see anything.

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Okay. Thank you.

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We do have, I believe, in the audience tonight, the owners of the property, Mr. Helms, and the

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Rilla to Prison.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Tonight, we have a request on behalf of Mr. Helms for the International Recovery Group,

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which is a company that is requesting to have the property resumed from R2 to A2 in order

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operating light industrial use on a property that is formerly known as the Moritz Candy Facility.

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I think everyone's probably familiar with that particular site.

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It's located at 8142 Wagner Road, the lower end of the county in Bristol.

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If the business were to be approved, then they would employ approximately 30 to 50 employees.

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The company would manufacture products and would expect also to contract to manufacture other products.

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The products would be used for and you have examples in your agenda material pictures have been provided.

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The products would be used for airports, lifting overturned trucks,

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some in shifts, tanks, crop buckets for forest fires, you were able to look at the pictures

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those examples were provided.

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There would be minimal renovation necessary to get the building that's currently on-site

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prepared and ready for the company to move in, and I would be glad to answer any other

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questions I think possibly Mr. Homes or the Realtor could probably give more details that I have not provided.

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There are any questions from his Freeman.

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Have any questions of Mr. Homes or anyone else?

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Mr. Chairman, I do have questions in general about the manufacturing process that we take in place there.

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Is there anyone here that can answer those questions?

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I'm not sure.

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The Realtor, I think he's got his hand up.

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Mr. Anderson would be the owner of the company

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And according to his relative, he said he was unable to make it to the meeting, he's on his way back from Chattanooga, but he's unable to make it here, and he would be the one that would be able to give those details.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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I would be interested to know if there were any manufacturing problems such as elderly or chemical dispersion or anything like that.

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That's where my questions would be and whatever raw materials are going to be there versus

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Are they bringing in the fabrics and plastics in sheets and cutting and I really don't understand the process.

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I have to make some pretty

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Yeah, I know these two

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And there is no one here who can answer those questions right. I'm correct in that, no one here who can answer those questions.

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Make a motion, table.

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Second.

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If we table, set to the board at their meeting.

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I know a lot of people have been put into the joint meeting, but it's beyond a leap of faith that

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move forward and recommendation. If, personally, I don't know what they're going to be doing there.

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I can make some assumptions based on pictures, but I don't think we should.

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I don't think I would be comfortable making a recommendation in the affirmative, if I don't know what's happening there beyond the pictures I've been provided, I'm sorry.

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Apologies to the board.

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Can you come up to the podium, sir?

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Please come up to the podium, sir.

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This meeting is being recorded, and we need to have you go here talking.

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Larry Real Estate, Mark Anderson was wanting to be here to answer those questions I can try

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to reach him ears on the red and find out that in my conversations with him there are

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no chemicals that are hazardous to anything like that that I would have to confirm that

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with him before I would be able to address it. It's very light matter, actually it's mainly what

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to exist that is putting things together. And noise levels should be very

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manageable for what he does. And the only has two trucks a week, usually they go out

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and they're not 16 winners normally. They're just local delivery to the airport, the

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ship out. And like he just fell in the contract with American Airlines and shipped

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there's this week that if you'd like, I would be born to have to go outside and try to reach

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by the phone.

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Well, what you're saying is basically this is an assembly plan rather than, it's not going to be

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manufacturing.

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Yeah, they have the particles come in.

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They cut up the gator with vast person things.

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They don't do that, believe, that they use any chemicals into processing, but I'll be glad

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to call it.

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Well, we're kind of pressed for time here along you think that would day.

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If I go outside, if I get it on the phone now, I'll have an answer for you.

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Excuse me.

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Yeah, that would be greatly appreciated.

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I don't know how to hear a motion.

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Or is there any more discussion? Excuse me.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Now, do we have a motion to table then?

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You made a motion?

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If the planning commission is entertaining a motion to table, then I'd recommend that the planning commission set a specific date by which it would continue the consideration, instead of just tabling indefinitely.

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Thank you.

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I want to tell you what to do to our regular meeting with that be your motion.

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We have a meeting right at this moment.

439
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Yes, it is.

440
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:56,630
Our meeting.

441
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:01,690
We want to do our schedule meeting.

442
00:49:01,810 --> 00:49:02,290
We want to do our schedule meeting.

443
00:49:02,290 --> 00:49:03,370
We want to do our schedule meeting at the next floor.

444
00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:04,590
Supervisor meeting.

445
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:08,470
The original intent of the joint meeting was to try to accelerate the process.

446
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:09,390
That was the idea.

447
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:09,950
Yes.

448
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:14,050
So with the board, if the board be acceptable, I'd say we move to joint meeting with the next

449
00:49:14,050 --> 00:49:16,030
regular schedule, board of supervisors meeting.

450
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:21,950
There we go.

451
00:49:23,310 --> 00:49:26,990
Actually, our meeting is the day before they're actually,

452
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:33,310
in that case, I'm going the way.

453
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,520
Our next regular meeting is, okay.

454
00:49:45,220 --> 00:49:45,500
Okay.

455
00:49:45,820 --> 00:49:53,700
Motion by Mr. Hayden to postpone this table this until our next meeting, which is, let's see.

456
00:49:55,060 --> 00:49:57,320
I think it's 23rd in that correct.

457
00:49:58,260 --> 00:50:05,160
We third thank you Mr. Richardson and the senior we have a second. I'm Mr. Adam's motion.

458
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,380
Thank you.

459
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:14,140
Seconded by Mr. Wagner. The motion is to table this until I are November the 23rd meeting.

460
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,360
Our regular November meeting for the Planning Commission.

461
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:22,710
All those in favor please raise your hand.

462
00:50:28,250 --> 00:50:30,290
That was six o'clock. That's unanimous.

463
00:50:36,490 --> 00:50:39,350
Okay. Let's see. I think it's all we need to discuss this evening.

464
00:50:39,350 --> 00:50:42,730
Do I hear a motion to adjourn?

465
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:44,750
Do you hear me?

466
00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:45,350
Excuse me?

467
00:50:48,430 --> 00:50:49,530
The motion by Mr. Vice-President.

468
00:50:49,810 --> 00:50:52,730
I'm sorry, Mr. Head. Now, there's some favor. Please raise your hand.

469
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:54,550
Thank you.

470
00:50:58,340 --> 00:51:03,120
You give us just a minute or two, so the planning commission can step down and get our board member

471
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,240
Supervisor Vacken position. We'd appreciate it.

472
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,560
We'll call the meeting back to order.

473
00:53:58,780 --> 00:54:00,940
The Board of Supervisors has a decision to make.

474
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,380
Do we want to continue with the recommendation planning mission to table this?

475
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,140
It will go to our next meeting in November.

476
00:54:07,780 --> 00:54:08,700
It will be a pleasure to board.

477
00:54:09,500 --> 00:54:16,750
I'll make a motion that we table the mission or hear after they're meeting on the 23rd.

478
00:54:17,490 --> 00:54:20,700
Our meeting on the 23rd is quite a question.

479
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:23,880
We table 81 for Wednesday, Wagner, Redden.

480
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:24,940
No one is a hands problem.

481
00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:24,940
We

482
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:33,090
have a motion, Mr. President, to consider Mr. Owens that we table the one we just had from the Hawaiian Commission discussion.

483
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:35,310
I'll play raise your hand.

484
00:54:36,350 --> 00:54:36,970
We're coming out.

485
00:54:39,820 --> 00:54:41,820
Now our next item is approval meeting agenda.

486
00:54:42,300 --> 00:54:43,560
Are we having additions or corrections?

487
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:48,960
Mr. Chairman, members of the Board, the only addition was Mr. Smith asked Mr. McIntyre be.

488
00:54:50,060 --> 00:54:52,720
Doine McIntyre be added to the agenda of Royal Milk.

489
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:57,860
Everything else on the consent agenda.

490
00:54:57,860 --> 00:55:04,860
I just went chair on that, I was a little confused by the agenda this time, I'm discuss with Jason and a few other people.

491
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:15,020
This board in January of last year discussed some length and unanimously modified our bylaws,

492
00:55:15,740 --> 00:55:19,140
with inclusion of paragraph 6.1.6.

493
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:25,280
This says, in the interim between election and new members to the board in November and elect election years,

494
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,160
And the seeding of such members at the first meeting of the Board following January, which

495
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,600
will refrain from taking any action that can be postponed.

496
00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:40,640
This is a packed agenda, maybe one of the fulls to genders we've had in the last two

497
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:41,280
years.

498
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:47,860
And yet, it's at the first meeting in which this bi-all that we unanimously proved to actually

499
00:55:47,860 --> 00:55:48,780
applies.

500
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:53,960
Now, I look through this and it's like a number of them are coming here and have certain schedules

501
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,540
associated with their advertising, but it seems bad planning, if you will, for them to be

502
00:55:59,540 --> 00:56:03,900
scheduled at the time that the board has already decided it didn't want to do anything

503
00:56:03,900 --> 00:56:09,080
that couldn't be postponed for the new board. But even so, the first item, a presentation

504
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,120
as I understand the presentation is primarily for the education, the information, the education

505
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:21,400
of you, if you will, of the supervisors to bring them more in line with an ending so that they can

506
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:29,320
apply that to future votes, and yet this board will, like a better term, expire in a

507
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,440
couple of weeks, it seems like a presentation like this would make far more sense in January

508
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:42,280
or February when our new board is seeding, in which they may actually be confronted with some

509
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,080
kind of vote that's related to this information that's going to be presented tonight.

510
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,800
I'd like to go of all items that the our our bylaw

511
00:56:52,680 --> 00:57:03,230
Affirmate would apply to would be to a presentation which is nothing more than educational to our membership and three out of four of the members are the new members come January are not

512
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,480
Are not on this

513
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,800
On this panel to hear with

514
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,600
Well everyone is here and they've given patients of certainly not recommending the

515
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:23,920
bullet, but it just, well, correctly runs counter to the request of this board, January passed.

516
00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:25,600
Thank you.

517
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,080
Are we having here the Adjustments Recorrection for the agenda?

518
00:57:31,860 --> 00:57:34,000
Not all of our international motion to approve the agenda.

519
00:57:36,940 --> 00:57:38,340
Take it.

520
00:57:38,340 --> 00:57:43,140
Hello, Mr. Owen, second Mr. Pannington, I'll play raise your hand.

521
00:57:45,740 --> 00:57:47,780
The next time, a special recognition presentation,

522
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,880
a special presentation at Coach of Committee for all milk.

523
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,060
Reena Johnson.

524
00:57:58,580 --> 00:57:58,640
Welcome.

525
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:08,300
Good evening. I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you all tonight.

526
00:58:08,900 --> 00:58:12,040
My name is Reena Johnson. I'm a dairy farmer in Washington County.

527
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,080
My family's been in the dairy business since 1946,

528
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,960
and I'm the third generation off the right of the farm. I have a very

529
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:27,100
science degree for Virginia Tech and I work in our farm every day. I know

530
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:33,020
every Cal they're personally and I oversee our entire milk and operation. As I'm

531
00:58:33,020 --> 00:58:37,200
sure y'all know agriculture is our number one industry in the county and our

532
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:43,180
state with their even a major contributor. In 2014 the Virginia Dairy

533
00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:50,680
industry contributed $3.2 billion to the state in industry output and employed over 13,000

534
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,680
people. So we play a critical role in our economy and we're proud to contribute to our

535
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:03,140
state in a very vital way. Very farmers are very busy people with very little free time, but

536
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:10,120
when issues arise that concern our consumers and may jeopardize the industry itself we do our best

537
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,380
to be proactive in addressing these matters.

538
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:14,980
And it's you that we've seen recently

539
00:59:14,980 --> 00:59:17,620
is a desire to sail and purchase

540
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:19,480
an inspected milk in me.

541
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,320
Now being a dairy farmer, I'm more familiar with the milk side,

542
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,300
but the principles the same for both.

543
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,460
Our tiny ag advisory committee is in no way

544
00:59:31,460 --> 00:59:34,480
asking the board to take a position on this matter.

545
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,840
This is, I'm simply just a messenger here

546
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,720
from our industry to give our side of the story.

547
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:43,700
I realize this is a very hot button issue.

548
00:59:44,260 --> 00:59:47,340
Some people like to create a niche market for their product,

549
00:59:47,860 --> 00:59:50,900
and others don't like the government telling them

550
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:52,440
what they can and cannot consume,

551
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:54,780
and I understand both sides of those arguments.

552
00:59:55,820 --> 00:59:59,280
My argument, as well, as that is a Virginia dairy industry,

553
00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:59,980
as well.

554
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,320
This many other major act and healthcare organizations is that consumer, high risk, big products such as raw, uninspected meal is a threat to public safety.

555
01:00:12,660 --> 01:00:25,020
Now, wanting to clarify about one of my online handouts. Earlier this year, there were several bills that were considered by the general assembly that were in support of the sale of uninspected meat and meal.

556
01:00:25,020 --> 01:00:32,280
The list that provided contained 23 Ag and Health Care organizations that were in opposition to those bills.

557
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:40,440
The bills did not pass in part to the amount of support and scientific research performed by these highly accredited organizations.

558
01:00:41,060 --> 01:00:44,680
So that was a separate issue then this tonight.

559
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:50,460
My granddaddy, as I said, started out milking a few cows in 1946.

560
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,920
He milked his own cows and he grew up drinking raw milk.

561
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:59,540
Then one day he became very sick with undilent fever, which is bristleosis.

562
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:05,020
It was determined that he contracted it from a bristleosis in fact, in Cal, who passed

563
01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:06,140
this along with her meal.

564
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,100
He had lifelong effects from this illness.

565
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:15,260
Ever since that day, the milk he and his family drank was pasteurized, and that's what my

566
01:01:15,260 --> 01:01:16,260
family and I do.

567
01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:21,980
Over 100 years ago, when Louis Pasteur figured out that heating up milk to a certain temperature

568
01:01:21,980 --> 01:01:28,080
for a certain time, killed harmful bacteria, he discovered a process that would protect millions

569
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:35,420
of lives from diseases, including tuberculosis, brusylosis, salmonella, and scarlet fever.

570
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:41,180
Pasterization would go on to be considered one of the most monumental health achievements

571
01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:42,500
of that century.

572
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:50,890
Pasterization simply kills any harmful bacteria that may be inherently present

573
01:01:50,890 --> 01:01:57,470
meal. It does not change the nutritional value of milk in any meaningful way. Nor has drinking

574
01:01:57,470 --> 01:02:04,130
raw milk been scientifically proven to cure asthma, lactose intolerance or any other health

575
01:02:04,130 --> 01:02:10,930
problems. I fully believe the risk of drinking raw milk, especially raw, uninspected

576
01:02:10,930 --> 01:02:18,140
meal, far outweigh the benefits and this is why. Number one, raw milk has been proven to

577
01:02:18,140 --> 01:02:24,020
illness. Especially the elderly, young children and those with weak and immune systems are

578
01:02:24,020 --> 01:02:30,580
at most risk. Number two, even in the most sanitary conditions, and I know because I'm a dairy farmer,

579
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:36,400
and I'm yielded my own cows. Even in the most sanitary conditions with the strictest procedures,

580
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:42,840
healthy cows with normal looking meal can still shed human pathogens such as E. coli,

581
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:49,660
this period in Salmanella. It takes a very small amount only 5 to 10 sales to become sick.

582
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:56,360
Number 3. As more and more states relax their laws on raw milk sales, the number

583
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:04,280
ever-lighted outbreaks has risen. The CDC reports that from 2007 to 2009 there were 30

584
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:13,300
related outbreaks. From 2010 to 2012, there were 51 outbreaks. During those six years there

585
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:15,880
were 979 confirmed illnesses.

586
01:03:18,910 --> 01:03:23,650
Number four, unpasturized milk is 150 times more likely to

587
01:03:23,650 --> 01:03:29,330
cause foodborne illness. In extreme cases this can mean kidney failure, paralysis, and

588
01:03:30,350 --> 01:03:34,630
And again, these are all statistics reported by the CDC and the FDA.

589
01:03:36,330 --> 01:03:43,030
And number five, big or small farmers are striving to maintain an open and trusting relationship

590
01:03:43,030 --> 01:03:44,130
with their consumers.

591
01:03:44,810 --> 01:03:51,190
And we're also fighting to promote a product that we stay in behind and believe in 100% and

592
01:03:51,190 --> 01:03:52,670
have worked so hard to produce.

593
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:58,390
If a raw milk related outbreak should occur, the public blame and distress that would

594
01:03:58,390 --> 01:04:03,290
would not be limited to the raw milk industry, but to the entire dairy industry.

595
01:04:04,630 --> 01:04:09,650
For the past 69 years, the herd of a few cows that my grandday started has grown

596
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:15,010
to 500, and we have done this by hard work. We've missed Christmas's, we've missed

597
01:04:15,010 --> 01:04:19,230
high school sport and events and many years we don't pay ourselves at all.

598
01:04:20,070 --> 01:04:24,950
It scares me to think of our lifetime investment being jeopardized by the black eye

599
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:31,030
dairy industry would receive in the case of an outbreak caused by unexpected raw meal.

600
01:04:31,950 --> 01:04:35,970
My farm is regularly inspected by the Virginia Department of Agriculture.

601
01:04:36,830 --> 01:04:41,030
We have rules for everything from the cleanliness of our milk and equipment to the temperature

602
01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:47,790
of our wash water for our milk and equipment to simply keep in the door shut on the room

603
01:04:47,790 --> 01:04:49,550
that our milk tanks are in.

604
01:04:50,530 --> 01:04:55,330
These regulations are good because it ensures that our milk is a safe high quality product.

605
01:04:56,330 --> 01:05:03,270
I believe that anyone producing milk for public consumption should be held to the same quality standards and food safety regulations.

606
01:05:05,110 --> 01:05:07,450
Milk is nature's most perfect food.

607
01:05:08,270 --> 01:05:11,770
Pastorized milk is an excellent nutritionist and safe product.

608
01:05:12,370 --> 01:05:16,610
The farmers take extreme caution to produce the highest quality milk with the lowest

609
01:05:16,610 --> 01:05:18,390
bacterial load possible.

610
01:05:18,970 --> 01:05:24,070
However, raw milk is still not safe to drink because of naturally occurring bacteria that

611
01:05:24,070 --> 01:05:25,350
may be present in the milk.

612
01:05:26,190 --> 01:05:31,350
Pastorization is simply a way for farmers to go the extra mile to make it possible for

613
01:05:31,350 --> 01:05:35,330
Americans to have the most foundable and safest food supply in the world.

614
01:05:36,010 --> 01:05:59,550
And I will encourage those who seek to have a personal relationship with a dairy farmer or who wants to know about the dairy industry to get to know me and get to know my family because I'm a local farmer and just like the other farmers who spoke in here tonight I care deeply about my cows and deeply about my product and again I thank y'all for having me here tonight and for allowing me to comment on this matter.

615
01:06:06,110 --> 01:06:10,010
Next, we have another presentation from Dwayne McIntyre.

616
01:06:12,070 --> 01:06:12,850
Welcome, sir.

617
01:06:15,230 --> 01:06:16,990
My name is Dwayne McIntyre.

618
01:06:17,250 --> 01:06:19,290
I'm a small farmer from Russell County,

619
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:20,910
and managed with cattle operation,

620
01:06:22,030 --> 01:06:23,040
and who has been selling

621
01:06:23,790 --> 01:06:27,070
at the Avenue Farmers Market for a little less than a decade.

622
01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:29,710
I also recently started my own farm,

623
01:06:29,710 --> 01:06:30,870
family farm operation,

624
01:06:31,630 --> 01:06:33,770
which also operates at the Avenue Farmers Market.

625
01:06:34,450 --> 01:06:36,010
I've been providing uninspected

626
01:06:36,010 --> 01:06:41,390
an unregulated poultry and eggs legally to the market for over seven years under the poultry

627
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:46,330
exemption and just recently started a legally-recognized cow share program under my own

628
01:06:46,330 --> 01:06:47,390
family's operation.

629
01:06:48,310 --> 01:06:53,710
While tonight's presentation was titled in opposition to all of the above products we legally

630
01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:58,750
provide, I'm afraid it's legally-recognized cow share programs which has provoked the presentation

631
01:06:58,750 --> 01:06:59,750
you just received.

632
01:07:00,610 --> 01:07:04,710
Like I mentioned, I just recently started my own farm operation over two months ago, upon

633
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:09,490
start up a local journalist found our story in Rodin article on us which was picked up by

634
01:07:09,490 --> 01:07:13,470
the Bristol Harrow and a few of the local papers in the region. It was a wonderful story

635
01:07:13,470 --> 01:07:18,170
in my opinion offering a great and biased interest in our program in a small story regarding

636
01:07:18,170 --> 01:07:22,830
the past two years I have gone to Richmond and given testimony to the State Agricultural

637
01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:29,350
Subcommittee on the bills that Mrs. Johnson mentioned, all of which was on behalf of small

638
01:07:29,350 --> 01:07:33,550
in support of the freedom of food choice and free market access.

639
01:07:34,990 --> 01:07:38,510
First off, I'd like to present an owner, how can I send this?

640
01:07:38,830 --> 01:07:39,970
There's seven copies here.

641
01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:51,930
Okay, this is, I'd like to present the legality of the operations that I perform on my farm.

642
01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:57,990
The state recognizes it as legal to produce up to 20,000 chickens a year under exemption,

643
01:07:58,090 --> 01:08:02,370
under exemption, with only the requirement being a need to file for that exemption.

644
01:08:02,370 --> 01:08:08,470
The requirement is dropped for any producer who only produces 1,000 birds or less annually,

645
01:08:08,830 --> 01:08:12,250
which almost all local small farmers who sell chickens and market fallen.

646
01:08:12,750 --> 01:08:17,670
Likewise, egg production is exempt from state regulation to produce your selling a total

647
01:08:17,670 --> 01:08:22,310
of 150 dozen eggs, or less per week, produced by their own hands.

648
01:08:22,710 --> 01:08:26,170
Again, this covers almost all local small farmers who sell the market.

649
01:08:26,970 --> 01:08:31,190
Calshare programs however, fall under a different legal mechanism, Calshare programs

650
01:08:31,190 --> 01:08:35,670
are cow boarding contracts, which are allowed under the code of Virginia, as an adjuster's

651
01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:35,850
lien.

652
01:08:36,450 --> 01:08:40,970
This law allows all men or people who otherwise don't have the ability or land to hire

653
01:08:40,970 --> 01:08:46,370
farms, to board and take care of their cows or other animals, and benefit from them in ways

654
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:47,730
they themselves see fit.

655
01:08:48,210 --> 01:08:50,670
While in Virginia it is illegal to sell raw milk.

656
01:08:51,150 --> 01:08:54,670
It is not illegal for people to drink raw milk from their own camp.

657
01:08:55,070 --> 01:09:00,710
It has been Richmond's policy, to not interfere with individual rights to acquire unregulated

658
01:09:00,710 --> 01:09:04,950
and unsppected product from their own privately-owned sources,

659
01:09:05,450 --> 01:09:07,750
no matter what the private contractual relationships

660
01:09:07,750 --> 01:09:09,530
of the just-of-programs.

661
01:09:10,030 --> 01:09:13,150
Because of this policy, hundreds of Calshare programs

662
01:09:13,150 --> 01:09:16,470
have popped up all over the state without any interference.

663
01:09:17,530 --> 01:09:21,810
Under state law, it does not matter what the view of 23-day agglobious

664
01:09:21,810 --> 01:09:25,810
represented in the previous presentation is in regards to unregulated

665
01:09:25,810 --> 01:09:28,390
and unsppected foods in these matters.

666
01:09:28,390 --> 01:09:45,310
While we appreciate the concerns of the shellfish growers of Virginia and Virginia Sea Food Council and the Virginia Hospitality and Travel Association, it concerns me and many here while there is so much emphasis of powerful lobby interests represented in the presentation before us.

667
01:09:45,610 --> 01:09:58,070
Now for clarification, I'm not here to debate the advisory committee on the points that contaminated food causes illness, regulated, unregulated, inspected, unexpected, it offers no assurances against contaminated food.

668
01:09:58,390 --> 01:10:05,630
I will have represent the points that the product mentioned is not the menace society that has been painted.

669
01:10:06,310 --> 01:10:20,270
First, Calshares are not a sale of raw milk by any means, and I just want to point out that I am following the point by point agenda item that was presented in the meeting document.

670
01:10:23,580 --> 01:10:27,740
So, Calshares are not a sale of raw milk by any means. It is a sale of livestock.

671
01:10:27,740 --> 01:10:31,440
what people do with their purchase livestock is their private business.

672
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:37,200
While I agree with Ms. Johnson, this is not an issue of personal privilege.

673
01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:42,480
Mainly because privilege suggests a need for permission. I do agree.

674
01:10:42,820 --> 01:10:45,540
It is a matter of personal privacy, freedom and liberty.

675
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:52,000
Second, the notion that this presentation tonight was a public service announcement about food safety.

676
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:58,760
Um, I'm not sure much sure considering all the talking points neglected to offer a comparison

677
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:03,380
of the industry product, they were subtly suggesting is without risk.

678
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:09,320
While admitting in this agenda item that industry milk is naturally contaminated with harmful

679
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:15,760
bacteria such as listeria, salmonella, and ecoli, raw milk from healthy cows has no such

680
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,100
natural contamination.

681
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:25,980
Not that it can't become contaminated, it's just a natural, it's just not naturally, as the agenda items suggest the dairy industries is.

682
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:33,260
Also, the opinion that pasteurization does not change the nutritional value in any meaningful way as total bias.

683
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:46,320
Who has given large scale dairy farmers the jurisdiction to decide what's meaningful and what's not to people who want to consume the living enzymes, the natural vitamin D, and calcium and raw milk versus the dead enzymes.

684
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:50,420
the artificial fortified vitamin D and calcium in dead pasteurized milk.

685
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,020
Why would pasteurize milk need fortified with nutrition,

686
01:11:54,660 --> 01:11:57,180
anyways, if the nutritional value isn't altered,

687
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,760
especially nutrition, milk naturally provides an abundance

688
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,260
like vitamin D and calcium.

689
01:12:03,180 --> 01:12:07,000
While I have no care to declare the opinion that raw milk is a medicine,

690
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,100
it's just as equally ridiculous to push a statement

691
01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:13,980
of blanket statement that raw milk has been proven to call it illnesses.

692
01:12:13,980 --> 01:12:22,040
In recent years, on first off on here, it is quoted that in recent years 81% of un-pasturized

693
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,960
milk-related illnesses occurred in states where the sale of raw milk is legal and

694
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:32,020
some form. Well, in recent years, 100% of pasteurized milk-related illnesses occurred

695
01:12:32,020 --> 01:12:37,180
where it is legal to sell. While it seems professional to just throw a statistic in the air,

696
01:12:37,300 --> 01:12:41,760
regarding raw milk in an agenda, it should make sense to the case being made.

697
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:47,400
The truth is that all contaminated food products have been proven to cause illness.

698
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,740
In fact, in the past few years, the CDC reports that there's not been one single

699
01:12:51,740 --> 01:12:54,000
death attributed to raw milk in the nation.

700
01:12:54,780 --> 01:12:58,040
Meanwhile, pasteurized milk killed three people over the summer.

701
01:12:58,420 --> 01:13:03,000
This summer, over the industry's ice cream outbreak, and just last year here in Virginia,

702
01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:08,020
the industry, the AG committee, and the big AG lobby, represent here tonight.

703
01:13:08,020 --> 01:13:13,680
got dozens of unsuspecting children's sick and a Enrico County schools. I could go on in

704
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:19,300
incidences that if we were actually talking about food safety tonight, the pasturized

705
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:25,740
dairy industry has a much longer list of examples to dull, devolgent. There is enough

706
01:13:25,740 --> 01:13:28,920
fingers and toes in this whole county that could count the number of industry illnesses

707
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:35,560
and deaths caused by the industry dairy in the past decade. But that is not what I'm worried

708
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,380
I'm not here to pull their product from the marketplace.

709
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:45,480
Nonetheless though, the Henryco County school systems after pulling milk from their schools

710
01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:50,880
reintroduced the very same company back to its students in the fall.

711
01:13:51,820 --> 01:13:56,100
The bunk in the fear-mongering that the milk sickness is going to hurt the whole industry.

712
01:13:56,740 --> 01:14:02,420
I mean the very same company back in the very same, you know, marketplace.

713
01:14:02,420 --> 01:14:07,960
there's there's you know no harm no file I guess I mean but if it was raw milk the whole

714
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:12,480
industry is going to topple that's what they want you to believe. So while pasteurization

715
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:17,960
has been proven to kill milk and still there's no difference in safety between regulated and

716
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,900
unregulated foods. Oh let me see something.

717
01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:27,160
The truth is whenever there's a chicken beef or

718
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:32,980
dairy outbreak in the nation with a recall and that's attributed to it and this is in regards

719
01:14:32,980 --> 01:14:38,880
to the fact that when these sicknesses happen the industry crumbles, but the truth is that business

720
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:44,240
emerges for people at the farmers market, for sales of people who are tired of the

721
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:48,900
blind trust that we are demanded to give to the industry. So while pasteurization has been

722
01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:54,380
proved to kill milk and they are still is no difference in safety between regulated unregulated

723
01:14:54,380 --> 01:14:59,980
foods, it does come down to this whole issue being a personal choice issue. We want to

724
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,960
We are on risk, whatever, whether it be the grocery store or at the market. This is not a public safety

725
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,960
matter in our eyes. Under law, there is nothing illegal the small farmers do here in the county,

726
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:17,180
and we don't appreciate the big aglobbiose coming before you to present a completely biased

727
01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:24,020
opinion on our product, why ignoring the concerns of their own. This is why tonight, I call upon you,

728
01:15:24,060 --> 01:15:29,200
the Washington County Board of Supervisors, to declare your support for the small farmers who live

729
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:34,940
do business in your county. By giving your consideration and vote on a resolution drafted by

730
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:40,040
the small farmers and their support system here tonight, on behalf of myself and the small

731
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:45,840
farmers and local market consumers in the county, asking for your support of small farmers

732
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:51,540
in the legal business we engage in here in your county. If I could give you guys a coffee.

733
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:04,200
This resolution reads as follows. This resolution is made in respect of and in support

734
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:10,520
of small farm producers who engage in private contract and the legal sales of unregulated and

735
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:16,360
unexpected product under Virginia State law, and consumers' rights to acquire own and buy

736
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:21,160
food and food sources they'd be in fit for consumption as allowed by Virginia State

737
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:21,540
law.

738
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:27,560
Here in Washington County, in its thriving farm market community, whereas the Washington County

739
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:32,200
Board of Supervisors finds that family farms are an integral part of the local economy

740
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:38,240
community. And whereas the Washington County Board of Supervisors finds that the ability to

741
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:43,640
be self-sufficient in food production, strengths, things, the community. And whereas the

742
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:48,160
Washington County Board of Supervisors finds that a community cannot be self-sufficient

743
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:54,860
in food production without thriving family farms. And whereas the Washington County Board of

744
01:16:54,860 --> 01:17:01,460
Supervisors finds that the family farms need to diversify the products, and services they sell

745
01:17:01,460 --> 01:17:03,780
in order to be processed prosperous.

746
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:10,060
And whereas the Washington County Board of Supervisors finds that selling on-form processed

747
01:17:10,060 --> 01:17:15,520
poultry is legal in the Commonwealth of Virginia and provides an important income source

748
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:16,920
for family farms.

749
01:17:17,380 --> 01:17:23,560
And whereas the Washington County Board of Supervisors finds that it is legal for unlicensed

750
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:27,060
producers to sell ungrated eggs in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

751
01:17:27,060 --> 01:17:32,260
and whereas the Washington County Board of Supervisors finds that boarding

752
01:17:32,260 --> 01:17:36,620
dairy animals for others that have either ownership interests or ownership

753
01:17:36,620 --> 01:17:41,680
rights in those animals is legal in the Commonwealth of Virginia. And whereas

754
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:46,200
the Washington County Board of Supervisors finds that those who have ownership

755
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,900
interests or ownership rights in dairy animals have the legal right to consume

756
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:55,640
raw milk produced by those animals. And whereas the Washington County Board

757
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,860
supervisors finds that a growing body of consumers in Washington County are selecting

758
01:17:59,860 --> 01:18:05,640
poultry, eggs, and cow boarding from these local farms, deeming them to be preferable

759
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:07,200
to other sources of these products.

760
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,480
Now therefore, be it resolved by the Washington County Board of Supervisors, that the Washington

761
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:17,880
County Board of Supervisors supports the right of family farms to sell on farm processes

762
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,800
poultry on the farm and Washington County farmers markets and other venues.

763
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:28,100
Be it further resolved that the Washington County Board of Supervisors supports the sales by

764
01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:34,200
unlicing producer of ungrated eggs at the market at Washington County Farmers markets and other venues.

765
01:18:34,820 --> 01:18:39,100
And be it further resolved that the Washington County Board of Supervisors supports the right

766
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:46,100
of farmers to enter into boarding contracts with those who have either ownership interest or ownership rights and dairy animals

767
01:18:46,100 --> 01:18:50,200
and to distribute raw milk produced by those animals to those individuals.

768
01:18:50,780 --> 01:18:56,500
We hope that you pass this resolution and show a support of two of the small family farmers

769
01:18:56,500 --> 01:19:01,100
who live in our new business in your county, to the thriving local markets who benefit

770
01:19:01,100 --> 01:19:06,040
from the products of these farmers, and to the continued success of our local farm to consumer

771
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:12,640
marketplace, which is specifically given national recognition to this county, and offers

772
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:18,960
much sanctuary to the small farmers who have made this reputation possible. Thank you much for

773
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:24,020
opportunity to speak tonight and I hope whatever it takes to make that resolution official

774
01:19:24,020 --> 01:19:26,050
I do it.

775
01:19:36,990 --> 01:19:39,950
Those are sectional special recognition presentations.

776
01:19:41,770 --> 01:19:46,250
This is not an action item at night, this is purely informational, so we will do not take

777
01:19:46,250 --> 01:19:47,870
any action on this.

778
01:19:48,250 --> 01:19:50,670
Our next item is economic comment.

779
01:19:51,690 --> 01:19:59,290
Can we add this to General Bessons for our next, maybe there is only General Bessons

780
01:19:59,290 --> 01:20:00,710
to focus in relation.

781
01:20:05,150 --> 01:20:05,530
This is Smith.

782
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:08,210
I don't believe that in accordance with our vitality.

783
01:20:08,550 --> 01:20:09,650
He post-pondled January.

784
01:20:16,260 --> 01:20:17,340
Sorry for you.

785
01:20:17,580 --> 01:20:17,920
January.

786
01:20:18,460 --> 01:20:19,340
That's five of us.

787
01:20:19,420 --> 01:20:20,140
Second meeting.

788
01:20:20,420 --> 01:20:20,540
January.

789
01:20:20,740 --> 01:20:21,060
Okay.

790
01:20:25,090 --> 01:20:27,250
Our next item is approval consent agenda.

791
01:20:27,770 --> 01:20:29,350
We do not have any changes to it.

792
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:30,190
Do I have your motion?

793
01:20:30,430 --> 01:20:31,610
We approve consent agenda.

794
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:33,190
Two votes.

795
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:38,890
Motion Mr. Panic and second Mr. Owens.

796
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:41,250
All if I raise your hand.

797
01:20:41,250 --> 01:20:43,550
7 out.

798
01:20:52,460 --> 01:20:57,420
Here, next item is our public hearings. First public hearing will be intent to

799
01:20:57,420 --> 01:20:57,840
resume.

800
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:03,160
And this would be a pleasure to board if you want to hear on both at the same

801
01:21:04,100 --> 01:21:09,860
time. I'll read the first one, intent to resume. It's farmland incorporated in Plinch,

802
01:21:09,860 --> 01:21:23,620
Prophecy, Prophecy, Technic Number 142-6-1-234, 1-42-818, Request Reson, Prophecy 1201 acres and

803
01:21:23,620 --> 01:21:29,360
Prophecy located on both sides of the south side of state Route 625, Wardland Road, East

804
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:35,040
side of state Route 645, Wallace Pike, and A2Aculture General, so if you're on to Industrial

805
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,980
General, we'll send you the master of district.

806
01:21:37,940 --> 01:21:40,300
Please do the board you want to hear these together, separate.

807
01:21:40,740 --> 01:21:41,980
I'll make a motion here and again.

808
01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:48,350
It's the secondest of Smith that we hear these together.

809
01:21:48,630 --> 01:21:50,250
I'll say raise your hand.

810
01:21:51,410 --> 01:21:51,570
Okay.

811
01:21:51,570 --> 01:21:53,150
I will read the next one also.

812
01:21:54,230 --> 01:21:54,590
Special.

813
01:21:55,250 --> 01:21:56,590
Request for special section.

814
01:21:56,890 --> 01:21:57,030
Permit.

815
01:21:57,290 --> 01:21:57,370
Garmin.

816
01:21:57,610 --> 01:21:57,690
Corp.

817
01:21:57,730 --> 01:21:57,950
Red.

818
01:21:57,990 --> 01:21:58,150
Green.

819
01:21:58,830 --> 01:21:59,270
Green.

820
01:22:03,630 --> 01:22:16,010
property tax matter number 142-61234 and 142-818. Request with special exception for

821
01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:21,070
me to distract and operate a Christian operation to include quarrying. Association was

822
01:22:21,070 --> 01:22:33,610
such operation on property located on both sides of the state of the state of the state of

823
01:22:33,610 --> 01:22:38,070
to industrial generals and laws of my school district if the property is

824
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:41,910
reason. This Freeman, you have the information force and welcome.

825
01:22:45,050 --> 01:22:46,750
Thank you Mr. Chairman, board members.

826
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:52,790
If y'all would invite out there if you'd step outside if you want to

827
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:53,410
tell the police.

828
01:22:57,890 --> 01:23:00,750
Give an application from farmlands, incorporated in

829
01:23:00,750 --> 01:23:05,510
clench properties on behalf of Ag or get USA. The applicants have

830
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:08,230
submitted both a rezoning and a special exception

831
01:23:08,230 --> 01:23:11,210
application in order to construct an operated

832
01:23:11,210 --> 01:23:13,250
Crestone operation to include

833
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:16,550
Coring in association with the operation.

834
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:19,450
The staff has provided the Statement of

835
01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:23,470
In10 in accordance with the section 66-421

836
01:23:23,470 --> 01:23:27,210
of the County Code, which states the primary

837
01:23:27,210 --> 01:23:30,210
purpose of the M2 General Industrial District

838
01:23:30,210 --> 01:23:32,530
is to establish an area where the

839
01:23:32,530 --> 01:23:34,350
principal use of the land is for heavy

840
01:23:34,350 --> 01:23:41,110
commercial and industrial operations, which may create some new sense and businesses that may

841
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:46,210
have an adverse effect in the business district, and which are not properly associated

842
01:23:46,210 --> 01:23:52,070
with residential, institutional, and neighborhood commercial service establishments.

843
01:23:52,830 --> 01:23:59,130
The property currently is owned A2, which is an agricultural general, which covers a portion

844
01:23:59,130 --> 01:24:04,350
of the county, which urban type development could logically expand as the need occurs.

845
01:24:04,990 --> 01:24:11,170
As a general rule is surrounds residential sections. The A2 district is established for specific

846
01:24:11,170 --> 01:24:16,930
purposes of providing orderly expansion of the urban development into territories surrounding

847
01:24:16,930 --> 01:24:24,290
incorporated areas within or adjacent to the county. The staff is also included a statement

848
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:30,130
in regard to the future land use map. It's included in your Washington County Conference of Plan.

849
01:24:31,010 --> 01:24:36,470
This area is identified as the general area for the land use classification of residential.

850
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:40,690
Staff has also included the definition of such.

851
01:24:41,790 --> 01:24:46,610
Mr. Anderson at the Planning Commission meeting addressed the Commission members and

852
01:24:46,610 --> 01:24:50,770
discussed the need for the stone in the area and the quality of the stone at this site.

853
01:24:50,770 --> 01:24:57,490
He also summarized the plans for the operation of the quarry, and a site plan has been provided

854
01:24:57,490 --> 01:24:59,630
in your gender material and detail.

855
01:25:01,030 --> 01:25:06,510
Numerous individual spoken opposition to the request, Mr. Bill Vennable expressed concerns

856
01:25:06,510 --> 01:25:12,010
over the rock blasting, Mr. Bob Williams spoken opposition to the traffic and the landowners

857
01:25:12,690 --> 01:25:15,070
having no input into the process.

858
01:25:15,070 --> 01:25:21,550
as Jane Grant's spoken opposition to the dust, the traffic, and how unsafe it was to travel

859
01:25:21,550 --> 01:25:28,470
to her mailbox right now. Toby Jordan, Ginny Grant, Ben Jenkins, Trace Bradden, Jackie

860
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:35,130
Williams, and Dwight Reigns were also those of the spoken opposition. Mr. Jonathan Reynolds

861
01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:40,830
spoke in favor of the request. There was a motion made by Marion Compton with a second

862
01:25:40,830 --> 01:25:47,230
by Rostando, to recommend approval, the place of stipulation for consideration that blasting

863
01:25:47,230 --> 01:25:53,450
only a car a Monday through Friday between the hours of 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. and the

864
01:25:53,450 --> 01:25:58,790
question of the rocks only a car a Monday through Friday during daylight hours. This vote

865
01:25:58,790 --> 01:26:05,550
was recommended approval on a unanimous vote. I'd be glad to answer any questions.

866
01:26:05,550 --> 01:26:10,750
This is my

867
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,480
phone's not working over here,

868
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:27,520
but I'm just feeling what was the record, what was the vote?

869
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,120
The vote was unanimous to recommend approval.

870
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:32,060
But it was the same amount.

871
01:26:32,460 --> 01:26:34,240
The sixth cell, Mr. Feldby, was absent.

872
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:35,480
Thank you.

873
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:36,500
Ah, yes sir.

874
01:26:38,420 --> 01:26:44,400
Part of the question on the zone pictures you have here.

875
01:26:44,460 --> 01:26:45,080
Yes sir.

876
01:26:45,080 --> 01:26:53,120
The H2 is green, R2 is a bright yellow, and there's a patch of a pale yellow, extending down

877
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:57,700
looks like a near creath on the side of this picture.

878
01:26:58,200 --> 01:26:59,480
What is that pale yellow?

879
01:27:04,660 --> 01:27:06,420
Okay, that would be your flood zone here.

880
01:27:06,620 --> 01:27:07,640
You're right in there, sir.

881
01:27:07,900 --> 01:27:08,400
The pale yellow.

882
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:11,400
And your white would be your corporate boundary.

883
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,600
And your yellow, the R2.

884
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:19,760
Mr. Wagner had a question as to that what the planning commission that runs down to Route 11.

885
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:22,760
Thank you.

886
01:27:22,780 --> 01:27:23,840
Any other questions, Freeman?

887
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:26,840
Thank you, sir.

888
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:28,960
Now, we'll declare the public room open.

889
01:27:29,300 --> 01:27:31,440
We have anyone here to speak in favor of this application.

890
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:33,940
Here's your name and address, please.

891
01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:38,600
My name is Mike Anderson at 1 3 4 7. I'm a good driver in Virginia.

892
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:44,400
Mr. Chairman, it members of the board and personnel in Mr. Barry.

893
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,160
I'm here to speak on the Clash Properties Department of Corporate.

894
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:54,180
My partner in Australia Reynolds, we brothers grew up in Washington County.

895
01:27:54,500 --> 01:27:56,580
We both do business in Washington County.

896
01:27:57,140 --> 01:27:58,860
And have we, if you're for a whole life.

897
01:27:59,540 --> 01:28:05,840
We also have a major year from the European Engineering firm and Mr. Jim McGeele,

898
01:28:05,860 --> 01:28:09,640
from USA. I'd give it to you, to have a question if you all have later.

899
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:17,720
And we would come before you and ask that you follow the recommendation of the planning

900
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:24,560
commission, which was a six-note vote, and approve this project, or shall we count

901
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,800
the needs more small businesses, you all know better than I do.

902
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:36,900
And this is, they also have been a quarry on this property, in the past, it's still there,

903
01:28:36,900 --> 01:28:47,000
If this green information, it was probably used to man and to grab all the roads and make this a railroad as they were built, probably in early days.

904
01:28:48,260 --> 01:28:50,260
But a little bit about our project.

905
01:28:54,170 --> 01:28:56,910
It's the Cory business. It's a really simple business.

906
01:28:58,230 --> 01:29:07,010
We can make it as big or as small as we want to, but it really involves taking a big rock to make it much smaller than some of the turn to some money.

907
01:29:07,010 --> 01:29:14,320
which we have to have to survive unless we have many roads because everybody

908
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:19,760
came here tonight. Some board of agonist was used for to make the

909
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:28,600
pavement to make the concrete and that thing also from exit probably 14

910
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:34,920
18 in that area is going to be a really is now going to be a hotter spot all

911
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:43,220
to the density line. So this will benefit Washington County as though probably somebody

912
01:29:43,220 --> 01:29:47,720
who makes it 10, wouldn't get involved in the traffic and having them to get low to gravel.

913
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:55,720
They very well would travel to Boston on the density side. So this is great. Great potential

914
01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:59,820
for Washington County to be a tax revenue.

915
01:30:03,690 --> 01:30:15,970
I will say that I call the Commission Revenue Office and I ask them about if I spend $8 million in machine,

916
01:30:16,430 --> 01:30:24,690
by machinery, what would attach to me. I was told approximately $100,000 per year. Then, if you calculate

917
01:30:24,690 --> 01:30:35,210
1,225,000 tons, and if you settle 1,200,000 tons, and you figured it $12.5 a ton, and

918
01:30:35,210 --> 01:30:42,170
most of that takes sales tax value that you come up with approximately $14,000 and it might

919
01:30:42,170 --> 01:30:49,350
be here for greater smaller to be known, so if it was tax, then it might tax for some reason

920
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:50,070
or other.

921
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:55,290
So if you add all that together, not to include the industrial tax on the land versus

922
01:30:55,290 --> 01:31:00,030
agricultural in the land, you would come up with a quarter million dollars or more in that

923
01:31:00,030 --> 01:31:08,110
ballpark and the curve is this, it's not started overnight, it takes planning and preparation

924
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:25,270
to get to where you can do business. And I'd also like to say that the side is basically

925
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:32,230
you can see one of the shopping centers somewhat over the next 81.

926
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:36,370
Probably the

927
01:31:39,310 --> 01:31:47,490
quarry side is based, but the back of our property. If you can't everything around

928
01:31:47,490 --> 01:31:58,190
it's an added up, I come up with some more between 300 and 400 acres, which don't all

929
01:31:58,190 --> 01:32:09,270
I've got another hundred acre farm below us, renegade this in the city of Bristol, but you've kind of got a query what to go in the middle of about 300, 400 acres.

930
01:32:10,290 --> 01:32:21,670
And we have already been, you have a commercial interest, we have a V dot, and it's been improved in the bonds we've been paid in that matter.

931
01:32:21,670 --> 01:32:24,530
So I

932
01:32:28,210 --> 01:32:41,350
thank you for your time, I thank you for your consideration and if you've got any questions, I've got these guys here to answer is they might come up

933
01:32:42,070 --> 01:32:46,690
If this were approved properly how long would it be before you started production?

934
01:32:47,290 --> 01:32:55,870
I'm going to say it would take Mr. McGeele to get started and get to some of the rotten up

935
01:32:55,870 --> 01:32:56,470
meat uncovered.

936
01:32:56,770 --> 01:33:02,010
That's one of the ideal things about this site, if you go down low enough, it costs a lot

937
01:33:02,010 --> 01:33:06,590
of the whole rock up to you, but when it falls down to you, it's pretty easy to start

938
01:33:06,590 --> 01:33:11,190
in low enough, that gets a quarry more out of sight of that meal.

939
01:33:12,230 --> 01:33:13,570
Any questions, Mr. Anderson?

940
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:15,250
Mr. Smith?

941
01:33:15,250 --> 01:33:16,090
How

942
01:33:19,420 --> 01:33:22,220
many jobs do you expect to leave jobs?

943
01:33:22,740 --> 01:33:23,660
No jobs.

944
01:33:24,020 --> 01:33:26,420
I think it would start out with this.

945
01:33:26,540 --> 01:33:27,660
This will help out.

946
01:33:34,610 --> 01:33:35,850
We need to come up in my home.

947
01:33:36,570 --> 01:33:37,150
Come on.

948
01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:38,310
Bring me my job.

949
01:33:39,410 --> 01:33:41,550
Jim and Gil would actually get to USA.

950
01:33:43,410 --> 01:33:45,070
Approximately four to six jobs starting out.

951
01:33:46,150 --> 01:33:49,770
Of course you also have the people that will come and work on the equipment.

952
01:33:50,150 --> 01:33:50,150
You

953
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:55,720
have the ill-generate.

954
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:56,800
Other jobs.

955
01:34:03,740 --> 01:34:07,260
What will be the hours of operation?

956
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,520
Other sites are seven

957
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:17,250
-thirds of weekends.

958
01:34:20,660 --> 01:34:25,560
There will be a need, a customer needs, for whatever they're doing.

959
01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:02,060
These say VDOT is already approved.

960
01:35:03,940 --> 01:35:11,660
This is VDOT, say they don't have to be any speed limit adjustments on borderline road.

961
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:20,200
And they said they said that was fine and they said that was fine and we had we did put it on a shell-russian line

962
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:24,920
Did you all have a picture of the

963
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:38,000
couple more about plank is probably gonna be direct. I think we have some life from we fear

964
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:40,640
Do we?

965
01:35:40,860 --> 01:35:43,040
But I'll just ask those later

966
01:35:46,330 --> 01:35:52,370
You estimate 140,000 sales tax was that the full sales tax or the county

967
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:55,730
That would make it full.

968
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,100
I assume we get some part of that here in the county.

969
01:36:04,900 --> 01:36:08,840
And we're doing what people can be gravel in the western side of the county.

970
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:09,660
Get it now.

971
01:36:21,850 --> 01:36:22,510
I have a question.

972
01:36:24,770 --> 01:36:25,730
What time?

973
01:36:25,730 --> 01:36:28,410
I think a lot concerns about the road and make school buses.

974
01:36:29,850 --> 01:36:31,110
That type of problem.

975
01:36:31,390 --> 01:36:31,870
Potential.

976
01:36:32,670 --> 01:36:34,550
What time would be your last.

977
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:41,390
the trucks that you left go out that you'd actually feel with grammar and send out.

978
01:36:51,980 --> 01:36:52,560
Any other questions?

979
01:36:54,770 --> 01:36:55,730
I know there's

980
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,220
somebody coming from a local standpoint.

981
01:39:46,580 --> 01:39:47,780
It was a single like a doctor.

982
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,020
Then people will go back that way.

983
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:54,130
I really don't know, as you

984
01:39:59,090 --> 01:39:59,470
can.

985
01:39:59,590 --> 01:40:00,770
What you're interested in?

986
01:40:01,190 --> 01:40:02,390
Do you do the OT?

987
01:40:02,670 --> 01:40:04,910
Do they require us an acceleration line?

988
01:40:05,610 --> 01:40:06,250
Yes, they actually.

989
01:40:06,610 --> 01:40:09,030
If we would give property to have one.

990
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:15,590
They said, you know, we're telling you, it would be to everybody's been a thing, if you all would give property to have it, shall we actually?

991
01:40:16,810 --> 01:40:18,670
And we, we won't do what's best for everybody.

992
01:40:19,450 --> 01:40:21,250
Maybe it's like a universal safety and all.

993
01:40:22,610 --> 01:40:27,650
Could you give me into that little more detail on the self-righteous mind, how it's going to be?

994
01:40:27,930 --> 01:40:29,050
I've looked at them.

995
01:40:29,170 --> 01:40:30,230
I have them.

996
01:40:30,330 --> 01:40:31,030
But I'm sorry.

997
01:40:32,630 --> 01:40:38,310
But I think it might be explain a little better how the entrance is going to come in and out.

998
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:40,150
It's been just right down to the room.

999
01:40:40,550 --> 01:40:42,190
Well, the entrance is not.

1000
01:40:42,330 --> 01:40:45,050
It's not where we go into the house.

1001
01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:48,230
The entrance is approximately a bit below that.

1002
01:40:49,530 --> 01:40:51,250
And there's a runoff on board.

1003
01:40:54,060 --> 01:40:59,040
And then the acceleration line comes back toward Lehighway.

1004
01:40:59,540 --> 01:41:00,460
Which I believe you're all right.

1005
01:41:00,620 --> 01:41:02,060
I'm not going to do that now.

1006
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:04,940
It's a pretty lengthy.

1007
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:08,680
I'm going to say a hundred feet or maybe maybe two hundred.

1008
01:41:10,190 --> 01:41:21,660
to make sure that in the speed limit we had 35 was a great, you know, when they pulled me over

1009
01:41:21,660 --> 01:41:29,700
doing 4 was 35, that's how I found it was 35, so I said, you know, and then I showed

1010
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:35,160
a total of the signs was that so, but anyway that is a great benefit for us in the county.

1011
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:48,860
It's certainly a plenty of commission recommended, some was friction on the hours, blasting only 10 to 4, and crushing during daylight hours.

1012
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,560
Now does that fit with your normal operations or what kind of impact would I

1013
01:42:21,070 --> 01:42:21,210
have?

1014
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:22,790
A major problem in this far is your

1015
01:42:31,530 --> 01:42:31,690
engine.

1016
01:42:31,970 --> 01:42:39,230
Question, I know you have different variables of rock, kind of having corridors, any work from Rick Brath to 57 to P gravel.

1017
01:42:39,470 --> 01:42:44,130
I know the P gravel was washed when it comes out, but also you want to produce this line.

1018
01:42:44,130 --> 01:42:47,340
And initially,

1019
01:43:22,300 --> 01:43:24,060
the dust from having Cory has put me

1020
01:43:32,540 --> 01:43:33,840
into any other questions and

1021
01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:38,360
went out

1022
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,550
to hear the life of specifying application.

1023
01:43:44,330 --> 01:43:45,930
Everyone here to speak in opposition,

1024
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:49,260
come

1025
01:43:49,260 --> 01:43:50,460
forward, you should name.

1026
01:43:55,260 --> 01:43:58,320
Good evening, Chairman McCall and members of the Board. My name is

1027
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:03,560
Max Wigard. I'm an attorney with a law firm of gentry lock out of Roanoke. And my firm

1028
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:08,540
has been retained to represent a number of landowners who own property in close proximity

1029
01:44:08,540 --> 01:44:18,060
to the site of the proposed press down quarry, to say that my clients pose the rezoning

1030
01:44:18,060 --> 01:44:22,940
application, depending, rezoning and special use permit applications is an understatement.

1031
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:28,460
They vehemently oppose these applications for a number of reasons that you hear more about

1032
01:44:28,460 --> 01:44:28,980
tonight.

1033
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:34,780
Some of those reasons were discussed at the Planning Commission meeting a few weeks ago,

1034
01:44:34,780 --> 01:44:55,180
And frankly, they were surprised that there was not a significant discussion or analysis of some of those concerns about the potential adverse impacts of the proposed quarry before those made and recommendations were made to you to take action on these spending applications.

1035
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:59,960
Specifically, their concerns involve the...

1036
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,060
Health safety and welfare of the residents of Washington County and the users of natural resources

1037
01:45:07,060 --> 01:45:13,600
and cultural resources in the areas surrounding the site of this vote is quarry, including

1038
01:45:14,420 --> 01:45:20,980
the excuse me, Sugar Hall of Park, Crystal Creek Recreation Center in Gulf of course, as well

1039
01:45:20,980 --> 01:45:29,380
as many residential properties in the area along Bourbon Road that are situated on large

1040
01:45:29,380 --> 01:45:36,840
lots and our lovely places to reside. Many of which in fact all of which use groundwater

1041
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:47,320
resources for their consumption and use in the hope. Nothing has been said much was

1042
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:59,020
said at the hearing about the plant machine hearing about the potential effects of the

1043
01:45:59,020 --> 01:46:07,860
geology and you're going to have a pit a quarry that will have to be as we assume

1044
01:46:07,860 --> 01:46:13,600
the water and my clients have significant concerns over how that will affect their

1045
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:18,060
water resources and springs on which one of the properties of the homeowners that we

1046
01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:23,780
represent. Additionally, some concerns have been voiced about traffic on board one

1047
01:46:23,780 --> 01:46:30,600
and safety concerns. While the materials were provided with the application in

1048
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:38,820
number 40 tonight, Dress, the usage of the road at certain times of day and the

1049
01:46:38,820 --> 01:46:43,400
closed acceleration lane and the commercial entrance, they do not address

1050
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:49,340
things like sight lines, stopping distances, and the width of the road for very

1051
01:46:49,340 --> 01:46:56,540
of vehicles, including trucks coming from the Korean school buses to pass safely during, especially

1052
01:46:56,540 --> 01:47:01,860
during times, once the school children are being picked up and dropped off, which, coincidentally,

1053
01:47:02,020 --> 01:47:07,660
it would be during some of the times that the school will be operating and opening and closing.

1054
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:16,980
In summary, we believe that what you have before you tonight is an incomplete and, in fact,

1055
01:47:16,980 --> 01:47:20,840
half-baked set of applications that need further consideration.

1056
01:47:22,440 --> 01:47:31,160
We hope that you would vote to deny the pending applications because you have a comprehensive

1057
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:36,420
plan in a future land use map that's part of that comprehensive plan that was fast just

1058
01:47:36,420 --> 01:47:43,760
this past year that identifies the area of the property on which the proposed board would

1059
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:55,060
decided as a future residential use and industrial uses anything but the description given during

1060
01:47:55,060 --> 01:48:00,140
the presentation to you of what industrial use would be is exactly those things that are

1061
01:48:00,140 --> 01:48:06,980
not compatible with the residential area and surrounding residential uses. So the comprehensive

1062
01:48:06,980 --> 01:48:11,220
plan is in direct conflict with the pending applications for that reason we hope you would

1063
01:48:11,220 --> 01:48:12,880
to deny them.

1064
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:20,340
Additionally, without full and careful analysis of the potential impacts of the proposed

1065
01:48:20,340 --> 01:48:26,480
quarry use on the surrounding properties, the residences in the area, the recreational

1066
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:36,300
uses of sugar hollow park, and the golf course, as well as the proposed blasting on

1067
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:43,400
historic structures and older homes in the area that have been restored. Without a full

1068
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:48,460
and fair analysis of the impact, potentially the impact of this proposed use on those resources,

1069
01:48:49,220 --> 01:48:56,120
what you have before you as a request to make an arbitrary precision on these pending applications.

1070
01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:03,340
For those reasons, we hope that you will vote to deny the applications tonight. However,

1071
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:08,440
If you're not inclined to vote to deny them tonight, we hope that you will demand these

1072
01:49:08,440 --> 01:49:12,720
applications back to the Clinton Planning Commission for careful consideration of the

1073
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:18,060
potential and potential impacts of the proposed quarry operation.

1074
01:49:19,100 --> 01:49:23,960
If you're not willing to do that, we hope that you will table this so that my clients will

1075
01:49:23,960 --> 01:49:29,940
have an opportunity to examine some of those potential impacts on their properties, or the

1076
01:49:29,940 --> 01:49:37,600
the applicant will have time to provide you additional information so that you will have a full

1077
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:43,540
suite of information in front of you and you will be satisfied about what there's impacts

1078
01:49:43,540 --> 01:49:47,320
might be when you are asked to vote on the pending applications.

1079
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,740
I'd be happy to answer any questions that you may have, but thank you for your time tonight.

1080
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:57,260
I'd like to ask a question first. Can you let us know who your people you represent so I can

1081
01:49:57,260 --> 01:50:00,160
more from my map here, no other location, the job.

1082
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:09,300
Sure, Judy Howard 10 of the map here, Jane Grant, as well as Judy Howard 10, and Ken Grant,

1083
01:50:13,010 --> 01:50:13,870
Janelle Bowers.

1084
01:50:17,710 --> 01:50:19,710
Can't hear what's up, and Don and Shelby Jordan,

1085
01:50:25,270 --> 01:50:26,610
or these are joining for our community.

1086
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:33,860
We can provide you a list if necessary.

1087
01:50:35,620 --> 01:50:39,380
Because I'm not seeing any of these on list, but as you join in for our community, in the list

1088
01:50:39,380 --> 01:50:40,040
I have here.

1089
01:50:41,390 --> 01:50:46,550
I can't comprehend what you're saying from back there.

1090
01:50:46,710 --> 01:50:48,650
I can look here at the gentleman at the podium.

1091
01:50:49,170 --> 01:50:56,390
The jodens are, and Jane Grant resides on property across the street from across

1092
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:59,150
or runway, from the professor's court.

1093
01:51:03,030 --> 01:51:03,430
There's me.

1094
01:51:04,710 --> 01:51:06,830
You may some comments about the traffic,

1095
01:51:06,830 --> 01:51:13,290
who were born on road, they did discuss this, your concerns was beta.

1096
01:51:14,150 --> 01:51:16,830
We have not had an opportunity, I have not had an opportunity to do that yet.

1097
01:51:17,690 --> 01:51:18,530
That's right.

1098
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:25,980
Thank you.

1099
01:51:26,200 --> 01:51:28,760
We have one afternoon to speak in the opposition to this.

1100
01:51:28,940 --> 01:51:29,780
Please come forward.

1101
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:31,400
We've got a gentleman in the back here.

1102
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:32,960
We've got the gentleman stood up for you.

1103
01:51:33,120 --> 01:51:33,740
You didn't feel any further.

1104
01:51:36,660 --> 01:51:37,180
Well, I'm sorry.

1105
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:38,060
Thank you.

1106
01:51:38,220 --> 01:51:39,800
I have a package I'd like to thank you.

1107
01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:46,780
Good evening.

1108
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:52,620
I'm here at the request of some land owners, the same land owners, then Mr. Weard mentioned.

1109
01:51:53,880 --> 01:51:59,580
And my name is John Iconberger. I am a professional engineer and a certified industrial hygienist with Bob Cornflint.

1110
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:05,060
We are a row-note based consult and environmental engineering consulting firm.

1111
01:52:05,100 --> 01:52:14,080
I've had the opportunity to review the agenda that was provided on the board of supervisors as well as inspect the site from public road.

1112
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:20,100
Based on the review of the information that I've been provided, I have four primary concerns about this project.

1113
01:52:20,700 --> 01:52:24,620
One, the groundwater risks have not been defined for the project.

1114
01:52:25,420 --> 01:52:30,580
Secondly, the traffic study that was presented by the two of the board, in my opinion, is inadequate.

1115
01:52:31,960 --> 01:52:38,520
Thirdly, there hasn't in to my knowledge for any effort to address the study of the noise potential.

1116
01:52:39,420 --> 01:52:43,500
And lastly, in reviewing the agenda board agenda that was online,

1117
01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:50,380
I noted that the application from the DMA ME was incomplete and didn't have any attachments.

1118
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:54,240
So it was that it was not possible to review the complete application.

1119
01:52:55,700 --> 01:52:57,900
I'd like to address each of these concerns individually.

1120
01:52:58,500 --> 01:53:01,480
First off, I'd like to talk about the groundwater risk.

1121
01:53:02,420 --> 01:53:08,220
The mine itself is being constructed in the limestone bedrock of that area.

1122
01:53:08,220 --> 01:53:13,380
And while I'm starting to cut carbonate, cut the carbonate bedrock also provides a local

1123
01:53:13,380 --> 01:53:20,920
potable groundwater source for area residents, limestone geology or carstiology is typically

1124
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:26,340
characterized by having a lot of solution pockets or being very coarse below the ground.

1125
01:53:27,220 --> 01:53:33,140
This presents a real concern for potential groundwater contamination, because you have this

1126
01:53:33,140 --> 01:53:39,320
core's bedrock, surface pollutants can easily migrate to groundwater and then when the

1127
01:53:39,320 --> 01:53:45,100
in groundwater they can become very widespread, very quickly. Therefore there's a, there's

1128
01:53:45,100 --> 01:53:50,160
a real concern for potential groundwater contamination associated with the mining operations.

1129
01:53:50,660 --> 01:53:56,640
One of those being elevated turbidity and then also if there are any petroleum oil releases

1130
01:53:56,640 --> 01:54:01,960
from the site, they could in effect water and this would have an effect on a joining properties

1131
01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:09,520
the wells or springs. A second concern is that as part of the mining operations, they're

1132
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:16,860
going to construct this kit to a elevation of approximately 2,000 feet above sea level.

1133
01:54:17,900 --> 01:54:22,560
As part of these operations, they're going to have to de-water the mine pit. This is going

1134
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:27,880
to have two effects. One is going to locally reduce the groundwater table and could potentially

1135
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:35,400
because the local change in the groundwater gradient, I even make the water flow a different direction than it does naturally.

1136
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:44,100
These effects could have a profound effect on groundwater wells and springs in the area,

1137
01:54:45,820 --> 01:54:51,440
and actually reduce their capacity of the productivity, and in some cases they even make them go dry.

1138
01:54:52,260 --> 01:54:58,900
Under the DMEE regulations, any mining below the water table requires that a mining

1139
01:54:58,900 --> 01:55:06,260
of water resources study be completed to evaluate the overall impacts to the groundwater

1140
01:55:06,260 --> 01:55:11,360
of the overall hydrologic soil cycle, for that reason I recommend that a comprehensive

1141
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:16,000
groundwater study be completed and reviewed prior to approval of this.

1142
01:55:17,340 --> 01:55:20,220
Second concern that I have is regarding traffic.

1143
01:55:20,940 --> 01:55:24,020
As was mentioned, one traffic study has been completed.

1144
01:55:24,980 --> 01:55:31,380
This study was very limited in its review, and that it only looked at the adequacy or need of a commercial entrance for the mine.

1145
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:41,400
What it did not do was determine whether or not borderline road can adequately handle the additional truck traffic.

1146
01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:51,140
Route 625 has only a 20-foot-wide driving service, which is the minimum per Ashstroke design guidelines.

1147
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:56,400
Secondly, it has a very limited shoulder, less than as recommended by Ashstroke.

1148
01:55:56,980 --> 01:56:02,340
A third concern is that there is an extensive number of sharp hidden blind curves on this road,

1149
01:56:02,620 --> 01:56:06,060
and a very steep grade as you drop off the route 645.

1150
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:15,480
These can think the combination of their erode and lack of shoulder raises the concern

1151
01:56:15,480 --> 01:56:20,200
that the erode may not be able to support future truck traffic and be able to safely

1152
01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:23,900
allow the passage of other large vehicles, including public schools.

1153
01:56:24,540 --> 01:56:29,400
Secondly, the curves and the steep grades, particularly as you go down to Route 645,

1154
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:35,140
presents a significant risk to residents in their driveways, because they don't have an

1155
01:56:35,140 --> 01:56:40,660
but line of sight, the safely pull out in the road, and if you have a heavy truck traveling

1156
01:56:40,660 --> 01:56:46,160
down these steep grades, it could present, they may not be an adequate stop-existant.

1157
01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:51,940
The ash dough, which is a national guideline on highway design, does provide special consideration

1158
01:56:51,940 --> 01:56:58,860
for loaded vehicles, and so I would recommend that prior to passage that you require an expanded

1159
01:56:58,860 --> 01:57:03,840
traffic of study, that addresses the adequacy, determines whether or not to 6.25 itself

1160
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:05,980
is adequate to support the additional traffic.

1161
01:57:08,260 --> 01:57:10,380
The third concern is regarding noise.

1162
01:57:11,540 --> 01:57:18,140
While the county does exempt mining operations from the noise ordinances, mining operations

1163
01:57:18,140 --> 01:57:23,360
are very noisy, the crushing and blasting operations, there's a certain whether or not this

1164
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:31,220
would be in keeping with the other uses of the area, including the public park, public schools,

1165
01:57:31,580 --> 01:57:33,300
public golf course and residential areas.

1166
01:57:33,300 --> 01:57:40,400
It's for your consideration, in a similar plot, in a similar project located in Shannon Doe

1167
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:46,220
at County, the DMME of actually required an noise assessment study that you completed prior

1168
01:57:46,220 --> 01:57:51,120
to approval of the mind, and I recommend that this same similar study you completed for

1169
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:51,760
this site.

1170
01:57:55,030 --> 01:58:02,350
A final concern is regarding the availability of the DME permit application.

1171
01:58:02,350 --> 01:58:11,110
As I mentioned earlier in my talk, the Board of Supervisors agenda that was provided online did not include a complete application.

1172
01:58:11,350 --> 01:58:13,430
It only included the front paperwork.

1173
01:58:14,350 --> 01:58:21,330
Any kind of applications is going to be accompanied by an operations plan that addresses a whole litany of concerns, including

1174
01:58:21,330 --> 01:58:28,490
Reclamation bonding, drainage, sediment control, screening, construction standards, closure,

1175
01:58:28,730 --> 01:58:34,070
post-closure considerations, overboard, bird storage, slope stability, reclamation,

1176
01:58:34,450 --> 01:58:40,510
post-line, and post-mine land use, and health and safety, none of the, because a complete

1177
01:58:40,510 --> 01:58:45,250
package was not provided, none of these concerns have been able to be addressed.

1178
01:58:45,250 --> 01:58:52,470
under state regulations, it is required that a complete permit application be made available

1179
01:58:52,470 --> 01:58:58,270
for public review, and I have so I recommend to the board that a complete permit application

1180
01:58:58,270 --> 01:59:04,950
be made available for public review so that concerns the citizens can review such considerations

1181
01:59:04,950 --> 01:59:11,270
of stormwater management, erosion, sediment control, noise control, dust control, seismic

1182
01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:12,510
stability and reclamation.

1183
01:59:14,900 --> 01:59:15,300
Thank you.

1184
01:59:23,330 --> 01:59:31,410
I just want it's you brief the final commission on this this I did not thank you

1185
01:59:32,930 --> 01:59:42,590
Any other questions I got I have one said that the the application was incomplete in the agenda packet that we had yes

1186
01:59:45,010 --> 01:59:51,650
Lucy, do you know whether the application is available for public view or was it application

1187
01:59:51,650 --> 01:59:54,010
not provided in the first place?

1188
01:59:54,710 --> 01:59:59,750
I believe that the information that the gentleman is referring to is the complete application.

1189
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:11,580
Go to the Department of Mods, Minerals, and Energy. The county, the agenda materials contained all of the application materials that were submitted to the county for special exception permit review.

1190
02:00:12,300 --> 02:00:20,280
And the Department of Mods, Minerals, and Energy would be responsible to make a complete copy of its application available for public review.

1191
02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:20,280
If

1192
02:00:23,130 --> 02:00:30,910
for the questions, decide this one, do we know how many schools actually use this one?

1193
02:00:31,210 --> 02:00:32,330
The society not.

1194
02:00:35,940 --> 02:00:36,260
The other question?

1195
02:00:38,200 --> 02:00:41,220
Someone from the audience said three twice a day.

1196
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:43,100
Any other questions?

1197
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:45,280
Thank you, sir.

1198
02:00:45,700 --> 02:00:46,080
Thank you.

1199
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:49,320
and everyone else, much speak, or please.

1200
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,520
Chairman and Board of Surveys, good evening.

1201
02:01:00,620 --> 02:01:03,120
As citizens of Washington County, I'm sorry.

1202
02:01:03,140 --> 02:01:05,140
I'm Elizabeth Carroll, I'm speaking for Toby Jordan,

1203
02:01:05,300 --> 02:01:08,520
1416, Board One Road, Bristol, Virginia.

1204
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,260
She can't just got energized and so she can't talk.

1205
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:15,620
So as citizens of Washington County,

1206
02:01:15,940 --> 02:01:19,200
on and around Board One Road, have brought before you

1207
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:22,260
many viable reasons to vote against the outrageous

1208
02:01:22,260 --> 02:01:29,560
rock quarry proposal. We were not heard at the August, October 26th, making today we ask

1209
02:01:29,560 --> 02:01:35,900
you to truly hear each of our concerns. They are real. I have received numerous phone calls

1210
02:01:35,900 --> 02:01:41,900
from people throughout the county in region. I was told by others who have been affected by

1211
02:01:41,900 --> 02:01:46,780
nearby queries and there's concerned people told me that it goes through,

1212
02:02:01,900 --> 02:02:03,700
that if it goes through,

1213
02:02:03,700 --> 02:02:11,960
being rocked and shaken, be on repair, clear, in-store, for feel, just cure feels.

1214
02:02:12,340 --> 02:02:17,360
I totally, everyone, ever asked or, to our computer and kept community.

1215
02:02:18,900 --> 02:02:24,000
With this land, when this land is blown to pieces, it is forever gone forever.

1216
02:02:29,180 --> 02:02:32,040
No amount of reclamation can bring it back.

1217
02:02:33,080 --> 02:02:44,280
And then, I hope you, I hope the word forever, resignates in your mind, we can repeat and repeat the wrong in this proposal.

1218
02:02:45,940 --> 02:02:50,660
Please do not turn a defier. What if you live in the vicinity of 1416 to 1416?

1219
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:54,140
When it be your decision then,

1220
02:02:58,440 --> 02:02:59,640
be honest with yourself.

1221
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:11,300
I think about all the concerns that we have brought before you, would you vote, yes, again be honest, we are no different than you as a citizen of Washington County.

1222
02:03:11,940 --> 02:03:24,560
We have collected over 200 signatures that I have here in my hands of citizens that are concerned and citizens of Washington and other concerned people opposing the proposal.

1223
02:03:25,180 --> 02:03:27,380
If you would like to have them, I can pass them alone.

1224
02:03:35,020 --> 02:03:37,640
We have yet to find anyone in favor.

1225
02:03:39,810 --> 02:03:44,830
This is our home, our livelihood. You are playing with.

1226
02:03:45,950 --> 02:03:52,610
Would you want to live and disrupt it in France upon life, disrupted in France upon?

1227
02:03:54,470 --> 02:03:59,830
As it will do to us, I hope you have made yourself familiar with Board One Road.

1228
02:03:59,830 --> 02:04:09,650
And if you have had traveled firsthand the road that is conductive, oh, I'm sorry, conducive to having an oversized vehicles.

1229
02:04:10,530 --> 02:04:16,190
I hate to be the school bus driver at 735 in the morning, or 315 in the afternoon.

1230
02:04:22,140 --> 02:04:23,020
Which is my children,

1231
02:04:27,250 --> 02:04:28,190
Dr. Taylor.

1232
02:04:30,250 --> 02:04:33,710
Running the L.O.I. through the curves before the creek.

1233
02:04:34,490 --> 02:04:37,390
Down over the bank through the fence row,

1234
02:04:37,390 --> 02:04:42,370
broken into pieces, in the woods, in the living is relative to the children on board.

1235
02:04:43,390 --> 02:04:49,970
As we got going to keep the road and repair, as it is riddled by the heavy loads of the

1236
02:04:49,970 --> 02:04:55,090
constant trips across it, I'd rather hope you to have educated yourself

1237
02:04:55,090 --> 02:04:59,370
to far-reaching hazards of the rock quarry, residential means homes,

1238
02:04:59,730 --> 02:05:02,470
moms, dads, and children living together as a community.

1239
02:05:02,470 --> 02:05:12,470
Do not jeopardize the health and well-bailing of many people over the handful of jobs and the extra tax dollars.

1240
02:05:14,270 --> 02:05:17,730
Our lives worth it is our environment worth it.

1241
02:05:19,530 --> 02:05:23,790
Our recreational pleasure worth it is anything worth it.

1242
02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:28,850
If you decide yes, you are putting all of those things on the chopping block.

1243
02:05:29,830 --> 02:05:31,890
A total sacrifice of us.

1244
02:05:36,120 --> 02:05:49,500
If it's in your hands, it is not reasonable, reasonable for the lives of so many residents to be disrupted, a way that brings disruption to all of us.

1245
02:05:50,240 --> 02:06:04,600
If you allow the zone change to M2, you are opening Pandora's box. Anything could follow without anyone requesting anything, no special exception permits, no hearings, no questions, not fair.

1246
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:14,550
I call file on that move. If you vote in favor, you are about to break your own rule.

1247
02:06:15,310 --> 02:06:24,170
When you accepted the position that you were in, you took it on pretence that you would accept the responsibility of protecting the health,

1248
02:06:24,170 --> 02:06:31,440
Safe you welfare of all the citizens in the Washington county whether they be in our district or not

1249
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:35,530
Whether they be young or old

1250
02:06:35,530 --> 02:06:37,370
Richard poor

1251
02:06:37,890 --> 02:06:41,150
Thank you and if you vote as

1252
02:06:41,150 --> 02:06:46,760
Mr. Ketton McCall says as that he does you will vote from your heart and you will vote no

1253
02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:51,050
I also have a letter from a

1254
02:06:51,050 --> 02:06:56,850
President from board one road that was unable to attend tonight, so I'd like to pass that out to for you to read

1255
02:07:02,430 --> 02:07:04,570
Thank you chairman and board

1256
02:07:04,570 --> 02:07:04,930
Question,

1257
02:07:12,570 --> 02:07:15,570
give me your name again, but my name is Elizabeth Carol Carol

1258
02:07:16,830 --> 02:07:22,350
For you listed as a joining for opion. I'm the daughter of her and where she's a rare has landitis

1259
02:07:22,350 --> 02:07:28,250
I'm just speaking for her. Toby Jordan Jordan. Yeah, 1416 zero board one road

1260
02:07:28,730 --> 02:07:29,890
Right beside the property

1261
02:07:34,630 --> 02:07:35,770
any questions

1262
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:41,000
anyone else like to speak

1263
02:07:44,190 --> 02:07:47,350
We have late in the back and just stood up back here.

1264
02:07:56,900 --> 02:07:59,020
Gentlemen, my name is Karen Anstee.

1265
02:07:59,900 --> 02:08:01,840
I live off of Windale Road.

1266
02:08:04,150 --> 02:08:09,250
There are several people who spoke tonight who are much more eloquent than I.

1267
02:08:10,930 --> 02:08:16,850
But just for a case in point, I'm very involved in the Children's Advocacy Center.

1268
02:08:16,850 --> 02:08:24,870
I donate a lot of my work to support their efforts.

1269
02:08:25,670 --> 02:08:29,870
That building was built 1850 with 10 bricks.

1270
02:08:32,340 --> 02:08:39,960
Can you guarantee what's going to happen to that foundation and to that historical property

1271
02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:41,100
when this goes?

1272
02:08:41,500 --> 02:08:45,380
First of all, concussion underground can't be controlled.

1273
02:08:45,820 --> 02:08:48,120
You don't know what direction it's going to go in.

1274
02:08:48,120 --> 02:08:52,940
You don't know if it's going to destroy the foundation of houses.

1275
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:58,300
You don't know if it's going to destroy the wetlands.

1276
02:09:01,040 --> 02:09:04,740
You don't know the effect it's going to have on sugar hollow.

1277
02:09:06,140 --> 02:09:12,000
You don't know what the diesel smoke from the trucks and the explosives and the gentleman said

1278
02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:16,460
that they use diesel fuel in the blasting.

1279
02:09:16,460 --> 02:09:28,620
So everything that's been said here tonight is trying to draw your attention and your understanding to what is involved here.

1280
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:38,520
And I think the recommendation made by the gentleman back there, I didn't get his name, would be well advised for each of you.

1281
02:09:38,520 --> 02:09:44,900
And that is to go deeper and dig deeper before you make any decisions on the matter.

1282
02:09:45,020 --> 02:09:46,520
Thank you very much.

1283
02:09:53,980 --> 02:09:54,660
Anyone else?

1284
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:02,520
Tell them in the Brown Jackage stood up for useful.

1285
02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:08,480
You manage Michael Mompower.

1286
02:10:09,300 --> 02:10:12,820
I'll live at 15-254 board line road.

1287
02:10:13,900 --> 02:10:16,260
And I'm going to get completely off my script here.

1288
02:10:16,380 --> 02:10:17,860
I had written what I wanted to say tonight.

1289
02:10:17,880 --> 02:10:20,060
But it already been said by many others.

1290
02:10:20,620 --> 02:10:25,340
But there's a couple of issues that I do want to address that I've not heard as mentioned.

1291
02:10:26,060 --> 02:10:33,100
And now I'll leave my own, I'm a good half-mile east board-wine road of this portfolio site.

1292
02:10:33,780 --> 02:10:39,540
I might not see it, as I said earlier, it's going to be out of sight, but it's certainly not going to be out of mind.

1293
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:41,140
I'm still going to see the trucks.

1294
02:10:41,800 --> 02:10:46,480
I'm still going to hear the trucks, because I'll leave right in the 90-degree curve on board-wine road.

1295
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:49,940
I'm going to hear them every time they gear down and hit those brakes.

1296
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:55,380
Secondly, I live right across from the Washington County Senior League field.

1297
02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:57,400
I've not heard us discuss that tonight.

1298
02:10:58,160 --> 02:11:05,680
Folks, I'm telling you, starting before winners over, after names about two o'clock or two thirty,

1299
02:11:06,000 --> 02:11:10,660
board line road from Lehighway, at least to that ballpark, stays busy.

1300
02:11:10,660 --> 02:11:16,400
And I mean it's a constant deluge of traffic and a lot of that young young kids who've just gotten

1301
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:20,780
a driver's license is they're not the best drivers in the world they end up in my front yard

1302
02:11:20,780 --> 02:11:27,000
several times they come around that curve a little too fast but not just that just to share

1303
02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:33,400
volume of traffic during ball season and that goes until I don't know until mid summer I guess until

1304
02:11:33,400 --> 02:11:35,180
about the second week.

1305
02:11:37,190 --> 02:11:39,150
Go ahead, we can't hear what you're saying.

1306
02:11:39,170 --> 02:11:41,710
Yes, well, that guy was in till mid-to-life

1307
02:11:41,710 --> 02:11:43,890
cinema, sometime late in July.

1308
02:11:45,350 --> 02:11:47,830
And we mentioned a heard it mentioned earlier

1309
02:11:47,830 --> 02:11:51,670
about the times of day that this could be an operation

1310
02:11:51,670 --> 02:11:56,050
from 730, a place till 330, was what I heard.

1311
02:11:56,390 --> 02:11:58,930
I said, we no longer live in a society where everybody

1312
02:11:58,930 --> 02:12:00,250
lays home.

1313
02:12:00,370 --> 02:12:03,650
7 o'clock in the morning and then come home to 4 or 5 o'clock.

1314
02:12:04,390 --> 02:12:09,830
people, I'm in the real estate business and people work so many different shifts and so many

1315
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:17,010
different jobs. Now even kids in school no longer is 8 or 8 or 8, 30 to 3 at clock.

1316
02:12:17,490 --> 02:12:30,750
And there's a lot of people who have kids to go to school year around and so they're all for weeks at a time.

1317
02:12:30,750 --> 02:12:33,550
and they're home. We're not talking about a really

1318
02:12:33,550 --> 02:12:37,130
schedule with people anymore. We're 7.30 to 3.30 and it's

1319
02:12:37,130 --> 02:12:42,770
necessarily worse. But aside from the ballpark, and the fact that I'm

1320
02:12:42,770 --> 02:12:47,610
going to see a truck traffic in here traffic in and deal with that, I'm

1321
02:12:47,610 --> 02:12:50,150
in a real estate business. I'm a real driver. I'm a licensed

1322
02:12:50,150 --> 02:12:54,550
Virginia real estate broker. I have been for 38 years. And I'm also a

1323
02:12:54,550 --> 02:12:58,750
certified resident to a real estate advisor. And I can tell you all, this is

1324
02:12:58,750 --> 02:13:08,890
This is, made really a residential area, and whenever you're showing people property, people who are looking for a home to live in,

1325
02:13:09,210 --> 02:13:12,530
they want to know about noise, they want to know about traffic.

1326
02:13:13,110 --> 02:13:18,490
They're going to ride up and down the streets where you're showing them property to investigate themselves,

1327
02:13:19,310 --> 02:13:26,130
and it seriously affects the value of residential property whenever you've got a business, particularly like this.

1328
02:13:27,130 --> 02:13:31,310
That's got this kind of prep-trafficking noise and desk or an own down the street.

1329
02:13:31,690 --> 02:13:33,930
You're talking about affecting people's property values.

1330
02:13:35,110 --> 02:13:37,650
Now, that's a reason that a lot of us are here tonight.

1331
02:13:37,730 --> 02:13:39,330
We're concerned about that.

1332
02:13:39,790 --> 02:13:42,970
As everyday working people, we pour what we own into our homes.

1333
02:13:43,070 --> 02:13:46,490
My wife and I, both the two acres, our home is out on board line road.

1334
02:13:46,650 --> 02:13:48,270
And we built our drain home there.

1335
02:13:48,590 --> 02:13:51,190
We had lived inside of Bristol, Virginia and the city.

1336
02:13:51,410 --> 02:13:53,910
I grew up in the county and Washington county.

1337
02:13:54,430 --> 02:13:58,150
And whenever my wife and I were first married we lived inside of Bristol, Virginia, because

1338
02:13:58,150 --> 02:13:59,790
I'd bought a home to flip there.

1339
02:14:00,510 --> 02:14:02,390
I was anxious to get back out in the county.

1340
02:14:02,850 --> 02:14:07,510
I went to move back to where I was from, and I went to get away from congestion and noise

1341
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:12,150
I was down near the exit, save an area, and so we bought this track to fly on board line

1342
02:14:12,150 --> 02:14:13,710
right and build our dream home.

1343
02:14:14,270 --> 02:14:19,510
And we've been happy there ever since, but this certainly threatens that this scares me.

1344
02:14:19,510 --> 02:14:27,430
And I do hope that you've had professionals here tonight to the attorney and this engineer who spoke, and that they certainly

1345
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:32,930
brought out things that I couldn't even touch, but certainly thanks for you all to consider in this.

1346
02:14:33,790 --> 02:14:40,470
And finally, before I leave, I want to address Mr. Smith, you are the supervisor in my district.

1347
02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:44,570
and whenever you are running for office you'd strip to these flyers.

1348
02:14:44,990 --> 02:14:46,570
And in these flyers it says,

1349
02:14:47,110 --> 02:14:51,550
that you were championed patiently, my right to know and to say no,

1350
02:14:51,850 --> 02:14:52,870
in county government.

1351
02:14:54,070 --> 02:14:56,670
But you'll always remember that our right to come from our creator

1352
02:14:56,670 --> 02:14:59,590
and I appreciate that, that statement on your flyer.

1353
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,080
You also said that the government's responsibility is to protect those rights and to rise it's just powers from the consent of the government.

1354
02:15:08,820 --> 02:15:15,000
And you also have on here that you would oppose resolutely government, which is not accountable to its citizens.

1355
02:15:15,680 --> 02:15:20,320
And I'm anxious to see, and I hope to see you stand by what you had in your fight.

1356
02:15:30,440 --> 02:15:38,960
Do I have one question? You're a realtor, Chris. Well, I just got a question about, you know, the rock

1357
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:46,800
Query Navigment, where I agree USA is a Navigment. How can you explain the growth of the anti-smil

1358
02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:56,040
road and do your field subdivision, being so close proximity to that query? And in fact, you're

1359
02:15:56,040 --> 02:16:00,040
So for Cross-Road is the having been sewer plant.

1360
02:16:01,380 --> 02:16:07,820
How can you explain that the explosion of a house is big houses on Vance's Mero.

1361
02:16:08,420 --> 02:16:09,480
I can't.

1362
02:16:09,780 --> 02:16:11,880
The having the market really is not part of my market.

1363
02:16:12,140 --> 02:16:13,200
I show property on the case.

1364
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:15,060
That's what you can't mean.

1365
02:16:15,340 --> 02:16:16,740
Vance's Mero is what you can't mean.

1366
02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:19,420
Well a lot of that area is kind of having to do this in court.

1367
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:19,920
No.

1368
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:21,340
Don't mail road out to them.

1369
02:16:21,720 --> 02:16:24,060
Well, Vance's Mero is, that's all what you can.

1370
02:16:24,060 --> 02:16:27,860
And how about the Iran, is that not inside the town of Avington?

1371
02:16:28,340 --> 02:16:28,940
I'm not sure.

1372
02:16:30,180 --> 02:16:37,180
I don't think the crowd said, the interstate does have the interstate.

1373
02:16:37,880 --> 02:16:43,320
The only comment I could think on that is the fact that that's already exposed to the interstate anyway there.

1374
02:16:43,660 --> 02:16:47,680
So I think it'd be some trade-offs there with people.

1375
02:16:47,880 --> 02:16:51,020
But that's just not normally my market, at least the price will rise.

1376
02:16:51,020 --> 02:16:51,780
It's not.

1377
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:56,280
And I show property up there by dawn of praise and having been marketing anymore.

1378
02:16:56,580 --> 02:16:58,020
You know the question if you do.

1379
02:16:58,820 --> 02:16:59,300
Thanks, sir.

1380
02:16:59,500 --> 02:16:59,800
Yes, sir.

1381
02:16:59,800 --> 02:17:00,720
Thank you.

1382
02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:02,480
It's full and I believe you've done it.

1383
02:17:07,440 --> 02:17:09,160
My name is Dury Fulton.

1384
02:17:09,320 --> 02:17:15,360
I represent universal fibers at 1.401 Industrial Park Road.

1385
02:17:16,660 --> 02:17:22,000
Our industry is not an adjoining landowner to this proposed site.

1386
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:24,840
So we are a bit behind in this process.

1387
02:17:25,980 --> 02:17:29,160
We just came, we came cleanly aware of it this week,

1388
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:32,380
when we were notified by one of your prior supervisors

1389
02:17:33,300 --> 02:17:37,600
that understands our plant sensitivity to clean air.

1390
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:43,060
And that supervisor, completed with our understanding,

1391
02:17:44,440 --> 02:17:48,100
and if we wanted to become involved tonight would be our time.

1392
02:17:48,100 --> 02:17:55,360
We operate 23, 300 plus horsepower, air compressors in our process.

1393
02:17:56,120 --> 02:18:05,440
We have over 60 HVAC systems and all of this equipment is relied on clean incoming air.

1394
02:18:07,900 --> 02:18:15,460
In that, we haven't had the opportunity to view an environmental impact study, or to complete

1395
02:18:15,460 --> 02:18:25,300
one of our own. We're not here in opposition and we're not here in support of this process only

1396
02:18:25,300 --> 02:18:33,540
to ask that a final positive vote would not be given tonight until we have the opportunities

1397
02:18:33,540 --> 02:18:38,100
I described as far as the environmental impacts to our company.

1398
02:18:40,120 --> 02:18:46,720
Thank you. A number of years ago there was a cement plant going above y'all in the

1399
02:18:46,720 --> 02:18:53,060
worst concern about the dust and what became of that. This board is super visor than I

1400
02:18:53,060 --> 02:18:53,980
did application.

1401
02:19:01,280 --> 02:19:04,440
Any questions, gentlemen? Thank you sir. Thank you.

1402
02:19:04,820 --> 02:19:11,100
You want to have a question? I have a question. Would universal fibers, would they pay for this study?

1403
02:19:14,180 --> 02:19:17,180
So if we're required, I'll just ask the question.

1404
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:18,900
I should complete our own study.

1405
02:19:19,260 --> 02:19:20,900
We must definitely would.

1406
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:22,700
I thought that that's what I thought I heard you say.

1407
02:19:22,940 --> 02:19:24,400
I was confirmed.

1408
02:19:24,780 --> 02:19:32,340
There typically is, with a land management change such as this one, an environmental impact study required.

1409
02:19:33,540 --> 02:19:35,460
I don't know if one has been.

1410
02:19:35,580 --> 02:19:37,600
I don't know if it's required in this county.

1411
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:45,680
But in that, even Beaver Creek, which is an enjoyment to this property, is a listed endangered

1412
02:19:45,680 --> 02:19:50,700
body of water, I would expect that one would have been completed, but I don't know

1413
02:19:50,700 --> 02:19:51,520
that.

1414
02:19:53,790 --> 02:19:53,910
Thank you.

1415
02:19:54,090 --> 02:20:03,090
Now, to answer your question directly to the effect on our system, we would do our own environmentally

1416
02:20:03,090 --> 02:20:06,430
impact airborne particular because that's our concern.

1417
02:20:10,790 --> 02:20:16,290
My name is

1418
02:20:20,350 --> 02:20:27,450
Tammy Gilllin and I live at 1442 board 1 road and we live probably about half

1419
02:20:27,450 --> 02:20:40,470
a mile headed toward Lee Highway from this proposed site but a couple questions that I

1420
02:20:40,470 --> 02:20:50,770
I'm sorry, I didn't get your name, but I heard about the dimensions of the road and several years ago when they were doing this study on the concrete plan.

1421
02:20:51,430 --> 02:21:05,110
I did Call V dot and had measurements which I can probably get again. I have them at home, but we had measurements of the concrete trucks and we had measurements of a school bus.

1422
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:12,570
And we proved that if they are each passing on board one road that one of the vehicles will go off of the road.

1423
02:21:13,070 --> 02:21:21,320
Well, if you have traveled on board one road or if you had just go there and look, there is not very much room for either one to go off.

1424
02:21:22,130 --> 02:21:23,930
And it presents a lot of danger.

1425
02:21:24,630 --> 02:21:26,090
Our children read the school bus.

1426
02:21:26,610 --> 02:21:31,190
And right before our house there is a heel, and you can't see over top of that heel.

1427
02:21:31,190 --> 02:21:42,690
Several times there is almost been serious accidents. I have ran from the house screaming at the bus driver because I see the trucks coming even if it's 35

1428
02:21:42,690 --> 02:21:50,190
Coming down the heel and the bus is stopped. There is no way I had that the there was a life saving crew coming

1429
02:21:50,190 --> 02:21:58,310
Went on the other side of the school bus. It's a very dangerous road and I believe that I was told that there's 50

1430
02:22:02,850 --> 02:22:27,670
It's a very dangerous situation, I believe, so I wanted to answer that question, and also how many school buses, while I know John Battle, I know that Wallace Middle School, and I also know that people's incorporated bus, when it's about 220, so I can give you the times of all the school buses, but they run twice a day, so those are the questions that I wanted to answer that you all had asked earlier.

1431
02:22:28,310 --> 02:22:29,850
They weren't able to answer.

1432
02:22:32,250 --> 02:22:33,270
Any questions, please?

1433
02:22:35,090 --> 02:22:35,590
Thank you, ma'am.

1434
02:22:35,870 --> 02:22:36,810
Thank you.

1435
02:22:41,710 --> 02:22:42,610
Sounds like speak.

1436
02:22:46,670 --> 02:22:48,210
Do we have anyone here from DMMA?

1437
02:22:49,430 --> 02:22:49,570
Yes.

1438
02:22:49,970 --> 02:22:51,870
Would you like to speak, or answer some questions?

1439
02:22:52,170 --> 02:22:53,090
I think that is very easy.

1440
02:22:53,310 --> 02:22:53,850
Thank you, ma'am.

1441
02:22:54,910 --> 02:22:54,910
My name

1442
02:22:59,580 --> 02:23:01,500
is Tom Bid.

1443
02:23:02,020 --> 02:23:05,060
I'm the Engineering Manager for the Virginia Division of Menon Money.

1444
02:23:05,740 --> 02:23:07,480
And there's Sheriff and Marshall.

1445
02:23:07,580 --> 02:23:08,160
How do we question?

1446
02:23:08,500 --> 02:23:09,240
We attend the meeting and see.

1447
02:23:10,020 --> 02:23:11,540
Could you answer some of the questions

1448
02:23:11,540 --> 02:23:15,720
have been brought up to mind about the groundwater in the dust and what's your regulations

1449
02:23:15,720 --> 02:23:16,460
would be?

1450
02:23:16,740 --> 02:23:18,220
Yes, there'd been that too.

1451
02:23:20,620 --> 02:23:24,960
The first thing I would tell you is that other comments made this evening notwithstanding,

1452
02:23:25,580 --> 02:23:30,820
we have not actually received a completed permit application for this site yet.

1453
02:23:31,180 --> 02:23:36,340
Monitored an application that we probably will receive a complete application sometime next

1454
02:23:36,340 --> 02:23:36,760
week.

1455
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:44,000
But we haven't seen it yet, so I can't speak this specific, so this particular sign at this time.

1456
02:23:45,320 --> 02:23:51,800
I will tell you, in general, this sort of operation is governed by a Title 45.1 of the code of Virginia,

1457
02:23:51,800 --> 02:24:04,580
and under 4VAC-25, 31 other Virginia Administrative Cup and there are several issues that

1458
02:24:04,580 --> 02:24:08,800
were mentioned in the night. The gentleman with the environmental firm in his book earlier

1459
02:24:09,340 --> 02:24:23,380
obviously is familiar with some of our regulations, but in general we do have as part of the

1460
02:24:23,380 --> 02:24:31,500
And a reclamation plan for the site, part of that operations plan includes the valuation

1461
02:24:31,500 --> 02:24:42,620
of groundwater under 4VAC 2531-130.6 of our regulations, there is a specific requirement

1462
02:24:42,620 --> 02:24:48,920
that the operator show whether he is going to be above or below the water table.

1463
02:24:48,920 --> 02:25:10,260
If his operations are going to be below the water table, he then must provide a plan which outlines any possible adverse effects on the hydrology and whatever mitigating measures he intends to take to deal with those issues, so groundwater is part of the review process.

1464
02:25:11,860 --> 02:25:15,860
We talked about dust, I think there have been several comments here about dust this evening.

1465
02:25:15,860 --> 02:25:23,640
We have general regulations, which deal with dust suppression as a gentleman from aggregate

1466
02:25:23,640 --> 02:25:24,940
U.S.A., mentioned.

1467
02:25:26,460 --> 02:25:34,580
We require dust suppression systems, typically we, certainly insist on hardening a pavement

1468
02:25:34,580 --> 02:25:37,780
to minimize the generation of dust from crook traffic.

1469
02:25:37,780 --> 02:26:03,940
In this particular instance, the Virginia Department of Environmental Quality also has regulations which fit two in particular is that as far as dust goes given their operation they would have to have an air quality permit from the EU for the operation of the site and that are quality permit would address dust from all processing machine.

1470
02:26:05,260 --> 02:26:10,440
We have general regulations, which deal with the generation of processing and road traffic,

1471
02:26:10,800 --> 02:26:17,900
but their air quality permit would require more strange measures under de-huses already.

1472
02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:25,760
The other area that de-hue would have authority is that where this operation to go forth,

1473
02:26:26,120 --> 02:26:33,920
they would be required to obtain a general loan mechanic permit for discharge of water off

1474
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:38,880
the site. Those those discharge would have to be permitted under the Virginia

1475
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:44,360
Polluting discharge elimination system. And those those discharge would be monitored

1476
02:26:44,360 --> 02:26:52,600
quarterly for water quality. So those are two issues you may hear may not be aware of.

1477
02:26:53,580 --> 02:26:59,780
Generally as far as our permanent application process goes, we will only receive our

1478
02:26:59,780 --> 02:27:09,600
like this or permanent application. We go through it and review it for compliance with the relevant

1479
02:27:09,600 --> 02:27:14,120
regulations. This said then includes during each regent settlement controls.

1480
02:27:17,450 --> 02:27:19,070
Roads those

1481
02:27:19,070 --> 02:27:20,730
were to miss use stability.

1482
02:27:22,870 --> 02:27:27,150
Once that technical review was completed, if any landowner within

1483
02:27:27,150 --> 02:27:32,350
thousand feet has requested a public hearing and in my knowledge I believe we've received at least six

1484
02:27:32,350 --> 02:27:38,150
requests for a public hearing already on this site. It's such time with the technical review was

1485
02:27:38,150 --> 02:27:45,570
complete the department division with held a public hearing to allow those landowners was standing

1486
02:27:46,270 --> 02:27:51,510
to address any concerns they may have and take that into consideration as we get forth an

1487
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:58,190
process. And only after a decision had been made on the, after that public hearing and the

1488
02:27:58,190 --> 02:28:01,050
input received a public hearing with the Department of California.

1489
02:28:03,080 --> 02:28:04,320
So that's maybe a

1490
02:28:04,320 --> 02:28:11,260
quick thumbnail sketch of kind of how the system works. Currently we have about 440 sites in Virginia

1491
02:28:11,260 --> 02:28:18,800
under permit. Probably 200 plus of those or, I think probably 150,000 or more of our

1492
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:23,520
operations for each dollar operations. The other, as you I guess, it's been raised and

1493
02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:31,540
I was blasting. We do have state regulations which require the operator to limit the

1494
02:28:31,540 --> 02:28:36,360
effects of the outside effects of blasting, and that includes ground vibration and

1495
02:28:36,360 --> 02:28:47,220
hero over pressure. We do monitor that, and we do enforce those standards which are designed

1496
02:28:47,220 --> 02:28:48,580
to prevent damage to structures.

1497
02:28:51,690 --> 02:28:53,650
Who would be responsible for any damages?

1498
02:28:53,930 --> 02:28:56,470
Would it be the Bicycle Company or the Corridor itself?

1499
02:28:56,650 --> 02:28:58,970
Or is it that side of your scope?

1500
02:28:59,850 --> 02:29:05,270
Well, all we do is enforce the code and the regulations.

1501
02:29:05,810 --> 02:29:11,410
So if the operators had a compliance, we would force him to get into compliance on that issue.

1502
02:29:12,370 --> 02:29:17,470
Any damages, any potential damages would be of an issue, a civil issue,

1503
02:29:17,470 --> 02:29:19,210
which would be addressed in other venues.

1504
02:29:21,700 --> 02:29:26,380
Did I understand you to say that the percussion from the blasting should not be fell off the property?

1505
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:28,480
No, sir, you did.

1506
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:30,640
I did not say that.

1507
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:31,820
No, sir.

1508
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:42,240
The current limits, well, it gets a little technical, but I would tell you basically the current standard

1509
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:45,400
is basically one inch per second of a peak particle velocity.

1510
02:29:45,980 --> 02:29:53,300
That is a nationally recognized standard, which has been shown over the last 40 years to provide adequate protection to structures.

1511
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:56,550
It doesn't mean you won't feel it, it doesn't mean you won't hear it.

1512
02:29:57,600 --> 02:29:59,960
The era of repression limits are about 133D.

1513
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,180
The decibels put that in perspective,

1514
02:30:10,190 --> 02:30:14,550
in fact would be up to maybe a hundred,

1515
02:30:17,690 --> 02:30:24,370
a rock band might be up to 120, a really loud rock band might be up to 120. So it's kind of in that neighborhood.

1516
02:30:26,660 --> 02:30:37,580
The blast, the area where pressure generated, which is the, that's the noise you hear, we call it area where pressure and that's really a pulse of compression in the air.

1517
02:30:37,580 --> 02:30:40,280
and we have instruments that monitor that.

1518
02:30:40,600 --> 02:30:44,940
Is it about the fact that we require any quarry in this day's required to monitor

1519
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:51,200
on every shop to require to monitor, hear over pressure, and ground vibration at the nearest

1520
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:55,020
structure, not under operated by the American body operator?

1521
02:30:57,280 --> 02:31:01,720
Can you monitor the test at these places, these races that are the closest?

1522
02:31:01,720 --> 02:31:09,540
can you monitor the dust there and if and is there a threshold of being me, thanks is too much

1523
02:31:09,540 --> 02:31:10,280
test.

1524
02:31:11,620 --> 02:31:13,920
We have a general narrative standard on that.

1525
02:31:14,040 --> 02:31:23,860
DEQ actually has and you're getting me into an area that I'm not familiar with as DEQ

1526
02:31:23,860 --> 02:31:25,360
because we really don't monitor.

1527
02:31:25,700 --> 02:31:30,300
We don't really, we don't have any regulatory authority in that area but I would tell you

1528
02:31:30,300 --> 02:31:35,840
general there is a general minus 10 micron, standard none of the clean air act, and that's

1529
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:42,540
what DQ, and forces, and they do have the capability to monitor for that desk, for those

1530
02:31:42,540 --> 02:31:43,380
dust concentrations.

1531
02:31:45,400 --> 02:31:49,560
I know several instances across the state where they have actually come in and done dust

1532
02:31:49,560 --> 02:31:52,980
monitoring for that particular particular point.

1533
02:31:55,450 --> 02:31:58,190
Yes, I can receive your permanent application.

1534
02:32:07,110 --> 02:32:15,770
It's hard to give you an exact answer to that, because it is a very spiced, site-specific issue.

1535
02:32:16,090 --> 02:32:22,870
And some instances where there's a little disturbance and a very minimal impact,

1536
02:32:23,190 --> 02:32:24,330
it goes pretty rapidly.

1537
02:32:24,330 --> 02:32:28,570
And if there are no objections from surrounding landowners, then it goes pretty rapidly.

1538
02:32:29,350 --> 02:32:33,930
Another emphasis is where there are substantial flood-sake groundwater hydrology issues.

1539
02:32:34,130 --> 02:32:43,290
We had a site the last year, that, when I said, we're county that probably took a year, just to do the groundwater hydrology.

1540
02:32:44,290 --> 02:32:46,730
Or six months ago, it could be a bit conferee.

1541
02:32:47,470 --> 02:32:52,490
They would have to submit this application to be approved before they would be licensed, right?

1542
02:32:52,490 --> 02:33:06,390
Well, technical review, technical review will have to be completed before we then would go to a public hearing process and based upon the input from that public hearing, we might go back and request additional information.

1543
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:12,850
The public hearing process alone usually is a free month process.

1544
02:33:14,450 --> 02:33:15,630
I have a question,

1545
02:33:17,690 --> 02:33:21,730
4-7, or we've never dealt with BME as far as an application.

1546
02:33:23,170 --> 02:33:31,690
So is it standard practice that the board supervisors approve their special exception

1547
02:33:31,690 --> 02:33:36,370
permit, or does BME do theirs first while it comes first the chicken or they?

1548
02:33:37,710 --> 02:33:38,250
Which one?

1549
02:33:38,610 --> 02:33:42,050
How many do you not do it if we don't approve it?

1550
02:33:42,050 --> 02:34:05,770
Those are our processes completely independent of the locality, approvals, there are not any five counties in Virginia, and all of them have their own sense of how I like to do business, and what sort of requirements they place, and you have a couple of counties with no zoning whatsoever, and then you hear Fairfax County, which is almost all along to itself and pretty much everything in between.

1551
02:34:05,770 --> 02:34:13,670
So our regulations are statewide and they are completely independent of any actions to look

1552
02:34:13,670 --> 02:34:14,110
counties.

1553
02:34:14,550 --> 02:34:22,830
They take what we have seen in a lot of counties is if as part of a, as part of any resolution,

1554
02:34:23,130 --> 02:34:28,250
especially use permit, they will require the operator to obtain a permit from DMA

1555
02:34:28,250 --> 02:34:29,990
before they conduct any operations.

1556
02:34:29,990 --> 02:34:36,990
we see that oftentimes in these sort of special, special permit situations, or especially

1557
02:34:36,990 --> 02:34:42,930
use permits or counties at different names for their approval process, but that is a common

1558
02:34:42,930 --> 02:34:47,150
note, certainly, in these different parts of the state, which you get pretty commonly.

1559
02:34:48,610 --> 02:34:57,030
Dr. Bledger, a couple of questions. To do your assessment, the licensing permit process, who pays for

1560
02:35:00,980 --> 02:35:11,200
The operator is, well, there is no financial requirements for the operator until the firm

1561
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:11,980
made it is.

1562
02:35:11,980 --> 02:35:13,660
It's such time as the firm made it approved.

1563
02:35:14,820 --> 02:35:21,320
We do have a bonding requirement of a thousand dollars per acre for the area they proposed

1564
02:35:21,320 --> 02:35:22,060
to discover.

1565
02:35:22,060 --> 02:35:34,820
And the Department will not be issued until a permit from the DNA without cost prior to committing a lot of funds to this particular project, is that correct?

1566
02:35:35,560 --> 02:35:36,140
Say, answer.

1567
02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:49,340
They could pursue the licensing through the DNA prior to their having commit substantial funds to this project, but it was like a find out whether or not they're able to do that.

1568
02:35:49,340 --> 02:35:55,620
Okay. You mentioned, uh, was it 130 decibels, uh, the, uh, air vocational?

1569
02:35:56,840 --> 02:36:01,320
103 years. And, and is that at the blast side or at the boundary?

1570
02:36:01,860 --> 02:36:08,700
No, sir, that is, that is it to near, that Yann of the nearest structure, not under, or, uh, not under, released by the operator.

1571
02:36:09,440 --> 02:36:11,360
Okay. Thank you.

1572
02:36:11,580 --> 02:36:16,840
Usually, we see numbers lower than that, but, uh, I would, sorry.

1573
02:36:16,840 --> 02:36:19,020
You're in front of your structure, yes sir.

1574
02:36:23,260 --> 02:36:24,540
Any other questions, gentlemen?

1575
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:28,880
I want this one.

1576
02:36:29,900 --> 02:36:32,380
So you have a, when they have a public hearing.

1577
02:36:32,780 --> 02:36:33,640
Where was it?

1578
02:36:33,660 --> 02:36:35,380
Where would that be held at?

1579
02:36:36,620 --> 02:36:46,800
We, we tried to set them up at a location fairly close at a public location fairly close to the, to the, to the site, the mining site.

1580
02:36:46,800 --> 02:36:58,840
And this is since I would not at all be surprised that if we were setting up a public hearing we would be back at the county requesting some assistance and providing some sensible venue for that public hearing.

1581
02:37:02,670 --> 02:37:03,890
Any other questions, gentlemen?

1582
02:37:05,190 --> 02:37:08,010
I thank you for being here in the next few questions for tonight.

1583
02:37:08,490 --> 02:37:08,770
My pleasure.

1584
02:37:14,580 --> 02:37:16,000
Well, so you were like to speak.

1585
02:37:17,830 --> 02:37:21,350
Let's look to one's back here and I'll let you all in back and speak to some questions and

1586
02:37:21,350 --> 02:37:23,630
we'll get to it and be coming up here.

1587
02:37:27,240 --> 02:37:28,300
My name is Chris Robinson.

1588
02:37:28,680 --> 02:37:32,640
I'm not a resident of Washington County, but that was my choice.

1589
02:37:32,880 --> 02:37:36,100
I unfortunately was annexed by the city of Bristol with clear creek.

1590
02:37:38,280 --> 02:37:43,280
You know, I want to recite something to the board here with regard to

1591
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:51,040
land using a county, and you should be familiar with it. It's your mission statement. It says

1592
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:57,460
rule, residential, retail, and industrial endeavors, prosperous throughout Washington County,

1593
02:37:58,260 --> 02:38:04,840
and they mutually respectable in non-invasive fashion. So with that being your state

1594
02:38:04,840 --> 02:38:10,440
admissions statement as a board, my question to you would be, how would you intend to

1595
02:38:10,440 --> 02:38:16,620
I can saw that with the fact that you're going to have blasting and dust exposed the community.

1596
02:38:17,560 --> 02:38:22,620
How could that not be invasive on me as a resident of the joining city?

1597
02:38:24,240 --> 02:38:27,140
You know, these gentlemen have spoke about the need for gravel in the county.

1598
02:38:27,620 --> 02:38:28,700
And I don't dispute that.

1599
02:38:28,840 --> 02:38:37,000
But you know, I don't believe the need for gravel is such that it has to be stuck between park, the city park,

1600
02:38:37,980 --> 02:38:46,660
sugar hollow, recreational way of being a clear creek, next to a school being Walmas Pike.

1601
02:38:47,620 --> 02:38:49,380
And I travel these roads every day myself.

1602
02:38:49,660 --> 02:38:54,700
I can't hardly pass a normal car in the little amount of dump truck carrying tons of

1603
02:38:54,700 --> 02:38:55,040
gravel.

1604
02:38:57,200 --> 02:39:02,440
You know, I think, you know, what sort of excites a lot of people and government is job

1605
02:39:02,440 --> 02:39:02,840
creation.

1606
02:39:03,080 --> 02:39:07,080
I hear that come up from Mr. Smith and it's always good.

1607
02:39:07,080 --> 02:39:12,700
heard these folks talk about four jobs and it's great. But I've heard more than that

1608
02:39:12,700 --> 02:39:16,660
speak here to not about the hell I didn't convince you to film and the loss of real

1609
02:39:16,660 --> 02:39:22,000
state value. Mr. Gibson addressed the issue of real state value and he made a good

1610
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:27,040
example. There is growth in some parts of the county. But what you got to remember was that

1611
02:39:27,040 --> 02:39:30,960
the sewer plant was there and the rock fray were there when people made the decision

1612
02:39:30,960 --> 02:39:34,920
by there. I bought my house,

1613
02:39:38,060 --> 02:39:43,620
I invested in my house, in my home, without a rock query and

1614
02:39:43,620 --> 02:39:49,860
without a sewer plant down the street. Unfortunately, we in clear creek are sort of orphaned.

1615
02:39:50,020 --> 02:39:54,060
We're supposed to outside the city they don't care much for us, and the county really doesn't

1616
02:39:54,060 --> 02:40:00,460
care much for us. So we're sort of one of those folks with taxation without representation

1617
02:40:00,460 --> 02:40:01,480
to some extent.

1618
02:40:04,280 --> 02:40:09,920
We talked about the income that the county will get from the equipment

1619
02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:16,680
on site. I think it's about $100,000 a year. You know, I would challenge the board to

1620
02:40:16,680 --> 02:40:22,500
look what's going to be the negative impact to the real estate value in a community. I guarantee

1621
02:40:22,500 --> 02:40:29,800
He's going to be more than all sent by the introduction of this mining operation in the

1622
02:40:29,800 --> 02:40:30,400
community.

1623
02:40:32,020 --> 02:40:36,560
I'll tell you I grew up in Dickinson County, I know a little about living close to mine

1624
02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:40,760
and I know the promises that are made, there's not going to be dust, there's not going to be

1625
02:40:40,760 --> 02:40:46,120
noise and I've never lived near a mine side or been there one with that's been the case.

1626
02:40:46,860 --> 02:40:55,080
Our friend from DOME, I'm not a geologist, I don't know a lot about mining.

1627
02:40:56,180 --> 02:41:00,840
He talks about the sound that is permitted from the mining site.

1628
02:41:01,560 --> 02:41:04,340
He also referenced traffic noise, 100 decibels.

1629
02:41:04,520 --> 02:41:06,600
I think I'm right on that.

1630
02:41:06,640 --> 02:41:09,440
100 decibels is the traffic noise you referenced.

1631
02:41:10,600 --> 02:41:10,760
Okay.

1632
02:41:12,100 --> 02:41:15,400
So he said, well, we can get a 133 decibels from the mining site.

1633
02:41:15,400 --> 02:41:19,320
Now, how much more is that from traffic noise, you know, percentage-wise?

1634
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:24,240
It's not 33%.

1635
02:41:24,240 --> 02:41:27,580
I'd ask you guys to ask the question, you know, is it how much more is it?

1636
02:41:27,700 --> 02:41:32,580
It's not 33%, I think it's probably like 30 times normal traffic noise on my right.

1637
02:41:33,500 --> 02:41:39,640
We can look at that out, but I don't want the board to think that traffic noise being 100 decibels,

1638
02:41:39,640 --> 02:41:49,560
and then this blasting noise being 133, just 33% increase and sound is a whole lot more, it's probably 30 times what you hear from normal traffic.

1639
02:41:50,440 --> 02:41:55,480
So really, I think I want to close and say that you've set forth your mission for the county.

1640
02:41:56,920 --> 02:42:00,900
And it's very simple. You know, be respectful and non-invasive.

1641
02:42:00,900 --> 02:42:07,360
So I'm going to challenge you guys to ask yourself, how can you have a mining operation

1642
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:19,400
set in the middle of a residential area, literally adjacent to a public park, upstream

1643
02:42:19,400 --> 02:42:25,120
of a protected wetlands and abide by your own mission statement as a board.

1644
02:42:26,400 --> 02:42:30,240
So I would strongly recommend that you go to this rezoning.

1645
02:42:30,240 --> 02:42:33,280
I think you've heard enough people here to not speak out.

1646
02:42:33,320 --> 02:42:34,980
Thanks to them in a negative way.

1647
02:42:35,320 --> 02:42:37,420
These gentlemen, I'm sure I have a good business venture.

1648
02:42:38,440 --> 02:42:41,480
I don't think there's a shortage of rocks in Washington County.

1649
02:42:42,220 --> 02:42:45,400
I don't think there's site is the only one they could look at.

1650
02:42:45,880 --> 02:42:48,860
And I think there'd be a lot of other sites they could use and have their venture

1651
02:42:48,860 --> 02:42:50,740
and it can be used as a lot less people.

1652
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:52,420
Thank you.

1653
02:43:06,460 --> 02:43:13,980
Hi, I'm Becky Bratton. I'll have an excellent address as Queen's Light Strive that it's off a board one road.

1654
02:43:14,480 --> 02:43:27,020
I share property with my dad and my sister. We have 160 acre farm and one thing that I know just hadn't been mentioned is a lot of this land is grandfathered in agriculture as long as we have cattle.

1655
02:43:28,260 --> 02:43:31,820
And so we haven't talked about how the noise will make the cattle run.

1656
02:43:32,900 --> 02:43:37,780
And if you ever had to have cattle, you know, you can keep them in a fence anyway.

1657
02:43:38,520 --> 02:43:43,700
So you can imagine how this blasting might endanger that.

1658
02:43:43,700 --> 02:43:47,800
And then if our cattle gets out and pays responsible, we are.

1659
02:43:48,460 --> 02:43:50,860
So that's one thing that hadn't been brought up.

1660
02:43:50,860 --> 02:43:54,520
And then another thing is, I'm not sure if anybody's aware,

1661
02:43:54,520 --> 02:43:59,320
that their caverns that run all through that property at board one road because I grew

1662
02:43:59,320 --> 02:44:06,040
at there and I'll be an enum. So what does the blasting do to land that has caverns

1663
02:44:06,040 --> 02:44:12,240
under it? That's a question I'd like maybe the environmentalist's answer or somebody else's

1664
02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:12,680
answer.

1665
02:44:15,920 --> 02:44:22,580
And then again I'd just like to say how dangerous a road is. There is rarely a few

1666
02:44:22,580 --> 02:44:28,460
go by that we don't have an accident. I have sit in the road with a farmer that got hit by

1667
02:44:28,460 --> 02:44:34,020
car. I sit in the road with a young man that was critically injured that turned his car

1668
02:44:34,020 --> 02:44:39,840
upside down. In fact, it has been six weeks ago that there was an accident right in my

1669
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:52,080
gunpower corner that a car flipped upside down. And also in my sister's creek, two people were

1670
02:44:52,080 --> 02:44:59,480
that you would consider it. Look all that traffic. And there's one other issue personally. I'll have a child with asthma.

1671
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:12,140
I have an autoimmune disease, my sister has an autoimmune disease. I mean, we live in a place where we want to open our windows and breathe fresh air and we won't have that opportunity if you let this go through.

1672
02:45:13,180 --> 02:45:19,380
I just beg you not to let this plan go in there. Thank you.

1673
02:45:25,960 --> 02:45:29,120
Anyone else is speaking opposition to this if you do come forward?

1674
02:45:40,550 --> 02:45:48,770
Hello, my name's Jackie Williams. I live at 1-4-1-5-3 board 1-road. Our property will be

1675
02:45:50,140 --> 02:46:00,580
diagonal across from the entrance to the query. So we are not adjacent to the query site that we are directly across the road.

1676
02:46:01,900 --> 02:46:07,440
There were a couple things that were brought in. I don't have a statement. I'll retipe that some,

1677
02:46:07,440 --> 02:46:12,020
talking off the cuff. But there were a couple of things that were that were brought up that I had

1678
02:46:12,020 --> 02:46:21,880
jotted them. And I think one of the maybe Mr. Owens asked him any buses going that road in a day.

1679
02:46:23,500 --> 02:46:31,080
To me it would matter if it was one or 30. One child is not worth acquiring.

1680
02:46:34,360 --> 02:46:35,040
So I don't

1681
02:46:36,680 --> 02:46:42,460
That was my point. A lot of this has already been talked about the high school drivers

1682
02:46:42,460 --> 02:46:50,520
You know, they're not good drivers yet a lot of them have just started. They get on board one road

1683
02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:52,660
they don't obey the

1684
02:46:53,240 --> 02:46:58,340
speed limits they go over the over the middle line

1685
02:46:58,340 --> 02:47:01,760
but as a

1686
02:47:02,400 --> 02:47:04,740
seasons season driver

1687
02:47:05,360 --> 02:47:12,920
You see a large truck on your side of the road, you panic, what is that teenager that has just

1688
02:47:12,920 --> 02:47:17,940
gotten their license or been driving for a year going to do? Their panic is going to

1689
02:47:17,940 --> 02:47:23,780
be out the roof. You need to take that into consideration when you think about putting this

1690
02:47:23,780 --> 02:47:32,200
in. It is a residential area. Mr. Gibson, you ask about the growth around the other

1691
02:47:32,200 --> 02:47:38,300
They made that choice to buy that house close to that query.

1692
02:47:38,920 --> 02:47:40,520
Our houses are there.

1693
02:47:40,740 --> 02:47:43,680
The query is infringing on us.

1694
02:47:44,740 --> 02:47:49,400
We're not choosing to live beside a query.

1695
02:47:49,980 --> 02:47:52,120
We chose not to live beside a query.

1696
02:47:53,960 --> 02:47:58,380
I implore you to vote no for this.

1697
02:47:58,380 --> 02:48:13,160
I implore you, I implore you to investigate this, do your due diligence, learn about it.

1698
02:48:13,980 --> 02:48:23,060
Don't just take someone's word that they're not going to work past four clock or three clock or whatever.

1699
02:48:23,060 --> 02:48:29,400
There are so many holes in the, when they stand up here and talk to you, there are so many

1700
02:48:29,400 --> 02:48:33,800
holes that they won't put concrete in for you.

1701
02:48:34,440 --> 02:48:37,300
Who's going to be there when the property damage happens?

1702
02:48:43,560 --> 02:48:49,400
These are all questions that need to be answered before you even consider to vote for this.

1703
02:48:51,540 --> 02:48:52,740
Please, please,

1704
02:48:55,180 --> 02:48:57,260
listen to what everyone has been saying.

1705
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:00,220
Thank you.

1706
02:49:06,210 --> 02:49:07,630
Speaking of observation,

1707
02:49:09,930 --> 02:49:15,910
but gentlemen, I'll let you all come back and I think so I'd like to speak here on the front row, and forwarding it.

1708
02:49:23,910 --> 02:49:27,390
My name is Stephen Maxfield. I work for B.R. Price Engineering.

1709
02:49:28,750 --> 02:49:37,750
I'm a consulting engineer that prepared the permit application to Division of Mental Mining, and also to the feedback information.

1710
02:49:37,750 --> 02:49:46,010
it. The consultant spoke earlier about a lot of concerns. All that's addressed in the

1711
02:49:46,010 --> 02:49:52,410
application, the reason it hasn't made it to Tom and the gas and Sardt's wheel is a public

1712
02:49:52,410 --> 02:49:59,590
participation process before the application is completed. Everyone within a thousand feet has to

1713
02:49:59,590 --> 02:50:08,890
being notified by mail, sort of there's two main owners according to the tax records that have

1714
02:50:08,890 --> 02:50:16,490
a client, their notification, checked on the internet today. One of them is coming back again,

1715
02:50:17,150 --> 02:50:22,110
unclined. I think it's the Kim fixed corporation and maybe the gentleman that spoke earlier

1716
02:50:23,230 --> 02:50:28,890
and hearing all he had to say maybe he's a part of that company. I don't know, but maybe that's why

1717
02:50:28,890 --> 02:50:31,090
He doesn't know anything about it.

1718
02:50:34,130 --> 02:50:39,670
The other company is another corporation called Switch Trading Company.

1719
02:50:40,430 --> 02:50:43,410
I think it was claimed that we should have the green core today.

1720
02:50:45,390 --> 02:50:53,170
So, depending on what the M has to say about notification for the, except the application is complete.

1721
02:50:53,910 --> 02:50:55,810
It will go forward at that time.

1722
02:51:00,920 --> 02:51:01,980
Any questions, gentlemen?

1723
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:17,100
Right now, the thing I complete because all owners have not received no duplication of

1724
02:51:17,100 --> 02:51:18,340
intent to mine.

1725
02:51:18,800 --> 02:51:26,100
There are two owners listed in the type record, switch trading company, in QMPX, have been

1726
02:51:26,100 --> 02:51:32,640
notified and several teams by the tax record addresses and the notifications come back

1727
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:39,640
client, I think finally, switch trading company, it's calling their notification today.

1728
02:51:40,900 --> 02:51:43,940
Kim fix, it's coming back, I'm calling again.

1729
02:51:46,580 --> 02:51:46,580
Yes,

1730
02:51:49,740 --> 02:51:56,180
the MMA here, it's to the MMA, or division, mental mining under the MMA,

1731
02:51:59,140 --> 02:51:59,800
and it addresses

1732
02:51:59,800 --> 02:52:05,160
a lot of the concerns that they can tell them about it, it's the thing complete because

1733
02:52:05,160 --> 02:52:09,220
public dissipation processes in complete.

1734
02:52:10,080 --> 02:52:13,020
These notifications from my album, except the end of the first.

1735
02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:20,660
I don't know what the requirement from division of mental mind years as far as

1736
02:52:20,660 --> 02:52:22,980
further attempts to notify the landowner.

1737
02:52:24,120 --> 02:52:28,230
I've not made additional contact with the Tax Association to see if the Tax

1738
02:52:28,230 --> 02:52:37,290
I'd be late or a clerk collecting taxes or if that's how valid that address is or how valid that tax record is.

1739
02:52:37,610 --> 02:52:41,790
Who didn't need this information be made available to the board.

1740
02:52:45,290 --> 02:52:46,510
I'd like to thank you.

1741
02:52:55,170 --> 02:52:56,210
You have the questions, Filma?

1742
02:52:56,810 --> 02:52:59,070
Also, the site distance was measured.

1743
02:52:59,510 --> 02:53:02,090
It was in the data application.

1744
02:53:03,570 --> 02:53:10,090
Actually, a site distance and speed limit considered acceleration lane was not required.

1745
02:53:11,290 --> 02:53:17,930
However, they not deemed it due to the use of the traffic, deemed it requirement.

1746
02:53:19,330 --> 02:53:24,030
And we used ever foot of property that these German owned to make acceleration lane.

1747
02:53:24,810 --> 02:53:29,350
And the location was picked based on optimal site distance.

1748
02:53:34,210 --> 02:53:44,330
is the site, the site distance, the company matters, where the guns will enter, or do I am

1749
02:53:44,330 --> 02:53:44,650
road?

1750
02:53:45,310 --> 02:53:52,490
Yeah, the other specification for majoring in Adam, it's a certain height, I think three

1751
02:53:52,490 --> 02:53:58,570
and I feet from road level in either direction at a certain point, I'm the entrance, I think

1752
02:53:58,570 --> 02:54:05,630
in a point and some many feet back from the right away I think 14 feet but you know whatever

1753
02:54:05,630 --> 02:54:08,670
those requirements or that's where the measurements were taken.

1754
02:54:09,150 --> 02:54:14,090
We're reconsiderating given to the remainder of the road such as sight and distance.

1755
02:54:15,610 --> 02:54:17,010
I'd rather have that road mean.

1756
02:54:17,710 --> 02:54:22,370
And I think you're one curve and there's the

1757
02:54:24,710 --> 02:54:25,770
remainder of the

1758
02:54:30,310 --> 02:54:30,450
road.

1759
02:54:30,450 --> 02:54:38,230
They have that surveyed up to question, they have approved the interest for me and so I

1760
02:54:40,500 --> 02:54:45,660
have seen them on occasion, not approved the interest for me to the road was upgraded.

1761
02:54:49,900 --> 02:55:00,660
When they done the year permit, will they consider the entire road back to Route 11 or all to the other road, or will they just consider the site distance and access to your property?

1762
02:55:00,660 --> 02:55:03,040
It's like this, it's an access to property,

1763
02:55:06,860 --> 02:55:12,880
but there was a traffic analysis provided to

1764
02:55:12,880 --> 02:55:19,100
the data that we've done with traffic counts from, it was an actual physical traffic

1765
02:55:19,100 --> 02:55:22,980
counts, but it was a online data provided by the data.

1766
02:55:25,890 --> 02:55:32,210
It's a vital online, and then they didn't require a specific traffic number count.

1767
02:55:32,210 --> 02:55:36,210
as if some of my districts are so forth.

1768
02:55:38,310 --> 02:55:42,390
There will be information that you...

1769
02:55:42,390 --> 02:55:43,310
by whatever.

1770
02:55:44,530 --> 02:55:49,990
If you have many vehicles, we will travel that road

1771
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:51,230
on average.

1772
02:55:52,150 --> 02:55:54,970
Yeah, that's available from beat up studies.

1773
02:55:57,580 --> 02:55:57,880
That figure.

1774
02:55:58,440 --> 02:56:01,780
Nobody's in my permanent application, and I can provide

1775
02:56:01,780 --> 02:56:08,500
I guess Tom spoke for mental mining and it's an approved permit, so I think the reason

1776
02:56:08,500 --> 02:56:14,100
I'm going to provide you complete copy of the application and I'll just approve language

1777
02:56:14,100 --> 02:56:15,220
of the permit.

1778
02:56:19,070 --> 02:56:19,830
Any other questions?

1779
02:56:20,210 --> 02:56:21,190
I have one.

1780
02:56:21,590 --> 02:56:27,110
This information you said you got outlined from 3D, was it's from past traffic camps?

1781
02:56:27,110 --> 02:56:39,630
I assume so, and maybe supplemented with satellite photography, and I'm about to stop in town or something.

1782
02:56:43,130 --> 02:56:46,130
At least that was the way Pamela Heath,

1783
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:52,290
the entrance part made at Vida, who reviewed the part made, explained it to me.

1784
02:56:56,030 --> 02:56:56,630
Any other questions?

1785
02:56:59,450 --> 02:57:00,810
Any one else like to speak here?

1786
02:57:10,090 --> 02:57:11,490
right up against

1787
02:57:13,090 --> 02:57:16,530
Theresa Blankenship. I live at 1.40.48.

1788
02:57:18,190 --> 02:57:20,030
I never received a registered letter.

1789
02:57:20,690 --> 02:57:23,470
I'm not saying that nothing ever came to me

1790
02:57:24,650 --> 02:57:28,770
because I'm actually scared to go to my mailbox to get my mail

1791
02:57:28,770 --> 02:57:34,590
because I usually have to wait until both lanes are completely clear

1792
02:57:34,590 --> 02:57:37,190
that's how dangerous the road is.

1793
02:57:38,210 --> 02:58:01,250
Also, I live, but with my driveway goes, I have to roll my windows down to make sure that I can hear a vehicle coming toward one del road before I can pull out, because there is a hump there, where they keep talking about having a lane to cut off.

1794
02:58:01,250 --> 02:58:12,750
You still have a hump there. We're kids, especially in the morning evening. We have teenagers driving crazy, that once that they can't see over that hump

1795
02:58:13,650 --> 02:58:20,170
to see if there's any large trucks pulling out our large trucks turning into the entrances.

1796
02:58:22,170 --> 02:58:30,830
I mean, I just, I guess I was just sitting right there and he was saying that everybody picked up such two, but I guess I never received anything in the mail

1797
02:58:31,910 --> 02:58:36,570
And I don't know that he was telling that I had picked up something, but I had not.

1798
02:58:39,180 --> 02:58:39,280
Okay.

1799
02:58:41,960 --> 02:58:45,800
And for my understanding, my neighbor had not received anything either.

1800
02:58:46,880 --> 02:58:50,340
And I think his name is Douglas Hurr.

1801
02:58:55,910 --> 02:58:58,030
And like I said, I'm bright in front.

1802
02:58:58,550 --> 02:59:02,490
My property is bright in front of the barn, on top of the hill where they play,

1803
02:59:02,630 --> 02:59:03,780
and on putting the office.

1804
02:59:03,780 --> 02:59:04,680
I

1805
02:59:06,850 --> 02:59:33,870
have close to three acres, a very private, very, I mean, well, you sit on my back porch, see all kinds of wildlife, and once all of this noise, everything else happens, you know, I'll have none of that, and I just purchased my home, I guess it would be a year, this month, and again, I purchased it, not knowing that we would have a query in my backyard.

1806
02:59:46,190 --> 02:59:54,490
It's actually the second driveway down from where the rope goes up into the field to the cattle.

1807
02:59:54,730 --> 02:59:56,930
In the direction of Wallace, fine.

1808
02:59:57,570 --> 02:59:57,750
Yep.

1809
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:14,400
Like I said, just right over that hump, if mine is on the opposite, and I still don't understand how they can say, just adding a lane in their first trucks to get on the road, is going to solve that problem.

1810
03:00:15,380 --> 03:00:19,200
I believe acceleration lane would be going back toward the rail level.

1811
03:00:19,560 --> 03:00:19,620
Okay.

1812
03:00:19,620 --> 03:00:19,840
The next day.

1813
03:00:19,840 --> 03:00:21,600
I'm not turning left.

1814
03:00:21,820 --> 03:00:22,660
You're coming up turning right.

1815
03:00:22,760 --> 03:00:28,120
Again, people coming from windmill road toward Lehighway.

1816
03:00:28,420 --> 03:00:29,400
There's a hump.

1817
03:00:30,500 --> 03:00:34,180
And they're not going to see anybody pulling out regardless if there is.

1818
03:00:34,180 --> 03:00:35,800
It's lame there.

1819
03:00:39,410 --> 03:00:39,830
The question?

1820
03:00:46,790 --> 03:00:48,110
It's one of those pipes.

1821
03:00:51,300 --> 03:00:52,840
Yeah, there's about to change a lot of three names.

1822
03:00:53,260 --> 03:00:53,680
They're there.

1823
03:00:55,750 --> 03:00:56,730
Any other questions, ladies?

1824
03:00:57,810 --> 03:00:58,450
Thank you, man.

1825
03:01:05,360 --> 03:01:06,640
Do you want to ask a lot of people?

1826
03:01:07,280 --> 03:01:07,900
Yes, sir.

1827
03:01:12,160 --> 03:01:13,500
I just want to say that.

1828
03:01:13,500 --> 03:01:19,540
You know, we're depending on both the citizens and the company, we're depending on the

1829
03:01:19,540 --> 03:01:25,760
dot to say, this is what this road requires to meet the needs.

1830
03:01:26,520 --> 03:01:30,960
We're depending on the vision of mine's and minerals in the part of the environmental quality

1831
03:01:31,500 --> 03:01:39,020
to say, this is what you have to do to protect groundwater to not pollute the air.

1832
03:01:39,020 --> 03:01:51,080
And those people, governments, and check up on us, so all the concerns are kind of being met within those processes.

1833
03:01:53,720 --> 03:02:00,360
It's wrong though, we're not paying division minds of minerals anymore, so they're not costing us anything.

1834
03:02:00,360 --> 03:02:12,660
But it's actually costing us a lot of money in the form of outside engineering services and just like in our own people and time to go through the permit process.

1835
03:02:13,800 --> 03:02:17,640
And will with the Department of Armor and Quality as well.

1836
03:02:18,500 --> 03:02:26,060
So it's good for us to know how the county feels about this before we just keep spending money.

1837
03:02:26,720 --> 03:02:36,400
And so, you know, if you could vote on it, you know, contingent on mind's minerals or contingent on something else.

1838
03:02:36,800 --> 03:02:45,120
I mean, because if you say no, there's no use in us contingent, spend money on the engineering services and all that stuff to try to make this work.

1839
03:02:45,120 --> 03:03:00,040
And, you know, if you guys, you know, see it as the right thing to do, then we know that we can, you know, keep paying money to, you know, adjust these other hurdles to get through.

1840
03:03:02,970 --> 03:03:05,830
For my experience, we've got to be a reaction for it.

1841
03:03:06,450 --> 03:03:09,030
They won't come and build a road and say, you've built a rock parade.

1842
03:03:09,530 --> 03:03:12,310
They will say, you've built a rock parade for the man's working and build a road.

1843
03:03:13,350 --> 03:03:16,030
I'm just saying that we're depending, you know, I'm not a traffic engineer.

1844
03:03:16,030 --> 03:03:18,390
I'm depending on them to say this is what we need.

1845
03:03:18,550 --> 03:03:20,590
No, but there have been concerns about the road to tonight.

1846
03:03:20,950 --> 03:03:23,310
Yes, it would not be improved until it's necessary.

1847
03:03:23,910 --> 03:03:26,030
And then they have to raise the funds where they can do it.

1848
03:03:26,750 --> 03:03:29,650
So that could be a period of time before the road to be improved.

1849
03:03:31,090 --> 03:03:33,390
But I'm just stating that from the experience I've had on this board.

1850
03:03:34,990 --> 03:03:35,890
Any questions, Jim?

1851
03:03:37,550 --> 03:03:37,910
I'd like to start.

1852
03:03:38,330 --> 03:03:38,570
Thank you.

1853
03:03:38,770 --> 03:03:39,370
Anyone else?

1854
03:03:40,130 --> 03:03:43,010
I would like to say, let me hand these maps out.

1855
03:03:51,130 --> 03:04:00,210
I would like to say the gentleman from the fiber plate over looked the fact that he is close to

1856
03:04:00,210 --> 03:04:07,970
his neighbor is a asphalt point which takes quarry products, puts him in a hot permit

1857
03:04:07,970 --> 03:04:13,830
as a retire and puts him out into a truck and shifts him out wherever they get him.

1858
03:04:13,830 --> 03:04:20,130
And so, it's a little bit unfair to us to meet an external thousand feet away and not

1859
03:04:20,130 --> 03:04:24,430
meeting the asphalt point, which is just across the road.

1860
03:04:35,520 --> 03:04:36,580
Do you have to make it a man?

1861
03:04:39,860 --> 03:04:46,560
And I guess I got this man just for the convenience of everybody, because in the Plain of Commissioner

1862
03:04:46,560 --> 03:04:52,920
I talked about dear run of states and how close those houses and how that's been one of the

1863
03:04:52,920 --> 03:05:01,560
successful subdivisions of my real estate career. And also, if you look at that yellow

1864
03:05:01,560 --> 03:05:08,080
dot-off put, I think we all feel safe here tonight. And it's a crow flies. This

1865
03:05:08,080 --> 03:05:15,260
building is just as close to a quarry as much of those people in that area. And I

1866
03:05:15,260 --> 03:05:17,400
think you can take the map and see that.

1867
03:05:21,250 --> 03:05:22,750
And that's why I brought a map.

1868
03:05:26,240 --> 03:05:27,020
Any questions?

1869
03:06:12,000 --> 03:06:17,800
Now you're saying this, but I'd like for you, clarify that after the completed application

1870
03:06:17,800 --> 03:06:23,200
you received, you will do the studies, there will be public hearings

1871
03:06:25,720 --> 03:06:27,760
issued or do that.

1872
03:06:27,760 --> 03:06:29,240
Yes, or that's generally well.

1873
03:06:29,400 --> 03:06:30,920
Not before any of that happens.

1874
03:06:31,040 --> 03:06:36,960
Those are the, well, we will look at the permanent application to make sure that it addresses

1875
03:06:36,960 --> 03:06:43,160
all the regulatory requirements that we have for the operation, as such times such

1876
03:06:43,160 --> 03:06:48,900
time, as we are satisfied internally, that the permanent application has addressed all the relevant

1877
03:06:48,900 --> 03:06:52,220
regulatory items. At that time,

1878
03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:56,980
we would, we would then go forth with a public hearing,

1879
03:06:58,080 --> 03:07:04,660
and as, because the gentleman with the engineering permission, the state code, there is a requirement

1880
03:07:04,660 --> 03:07:09,780
that any property operator within a thousand pleaded to propose permit boundary, they know

1881
03:07:09,780 --> 03:07:14,120
if I'd mastered a fat male, so that's what he was referring to.

1882
03:07:14,260 --> 03:07:18,400
And that's part of the permanent application is to make sure

1883
03:07:18,400 --> 03:07:21,860
that all the people within a thousand feet

1884
03:07:21,860 --> 03:07:23,480
all the property owners have been notified.

1885
03:07:23,820 --> 03:07:25,300
That is a requirement mistake.

1886
03:07:27,200 --> 03:07:30,840
But once there's, as I said, the technical review

1887
03:07:30,840 --> 03:07:31,880
of the permanent is complete.

1888
03:07:32,420 --> 03:07:34,000
Then we would go to a public hearing.

1889
03:07:34,260 --> 03:07:37,240
Whatever issues came up with that public hearing

1890
03:07:37,840 --> 03:07:41,040
that had not been addressed in the firm, or perhaps needed to be addressed.

1891
03:07:42,580 --> 03:07:48,180
Could go forth or the hearing officer could decide that at a point of fact that even

1892
03:07:48,180 --> 03:07:52,780
under the issues raised, that they were all set as factually addressed in the

1893
03:07:52,780 --> 03:07:53,600
permanent application.

1894
03:07:54,460 --> 03:07:59,220
But that's the hearing officer decision and that's typically a 60 day process.

1895
03:07:59,800 --> 03:08:08,420
And then, once the hearing officer writes his findings on the public hearing, those are turned over to

1896
03:08:08,420 --> 03:08:14,460
I director, he then, I froze it or it requires it for modification, but it's touched on me,

1897
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:20,240
it proves it within no-to-find, all the kinds of parties, but I sort of find mail of the findings.

1898
03:08:20,800 --> 03:08:27,440
It's in the McCombia, I believe in their state law, they then have 31 days to appeal, if they just

1899
03:08:27,440 --> 03:08:31,960
appeal would get a certain court to get. So that's generally the process.

1900
03:08:35,610 --> 03:08:37,170
In the question. Thanks, sir.

1901
03:08:37,510 --> 03:08:39,610
It's very, did you make copies of that, ma'am?

1902
03:08:40,370 --> 03:08:42,950
I believe there's some people interested in seeing about hearing the audience.

1903
03:08:43,890 --> 03:08:46,710
It's just as a public mirroring, this should be public information.

1904
03:08:58,120 --> 03:09:05,800
I've had a request appear. We take just a very quick break on this for a good time if we

1905
03:09:05,800 --> 03:09:12,060
like to collect a bathroom break after one, so they can break this time.

1906
03:09:22,060 --> 03:09:26,360
First thing we need to do before we make a decision on that, we need to make a motion

1907
03:09:26,360 --> 03:09:31,340
to extend our meeting, our time is to cut out time is 10 o'clock, we're not going to make

1908
03:09:31,340 --> 03:09:35,660
it tonight, so to make it legal, we had to have a motion to extend the meeting, Dr.

1909
03:09:35,980 --> 03:09:36,460
Moose.

1910
03:09:36,460 --> 03:09:42,120
Second, I'll say raise your hand.

1911
03:09:42,980 --> 03:09:45,360
Now, we've heard a lot of information on here.

1912
03:09:45,580 --> 03:09:47,840
I don't know if there's much more can be said.

1913
03:09:48,540 --> 03:09:52,920
If I had a burning desire to say anything else, I would close the public hearing.

1914
03:09:53,680 --> 03:09:55,200
What the place of the board is.

1915
03:09:57,880 --> 03:09:58,520
Mr. Chairman,

1916
03:10:00,780 --> 03:10:02,960
have a lot of good comments here tonight.

1917
03:10:02,960 --> 03:10:09,060
And one thing I want to say is, I was really surprised

1918
03:10:09,060 --> 03:10:12,400
of the individuals who had one of my flyers for two years.

1919
03:10:15,080 --> 03:10:18,640
I just hope it's not in the bathroom.

1920
03:10:19,900 --> 03:10:20,860
That's so right there.

1921
03:10:21,320 --> 03:10:28,720
But anyway, I'd like to make a motion that we table this until the enemy,

1922
03:10:28,720 --> 03:10:34,560
It does a study and see what they come back and if I approve it or not.

1923
03:10:35,700 --> 03:10:36,760
I'll second then.

1924
03:10:38,640 --> 03:10:43,920
If you have a much missed second Dr. Baker that we table this until DMME has an opportunity

1925
03:10:43,920 --> 03:10:48,600
to do their thing and possibly get some information back to us.

1926
03:10:48,900 --> 03:10:54,860
With us tabling us we don't have a date to bring it back to us right until we have to let

1927
03:10:54,860 --> 03:10:58,260
you do they do their thing and then we would go to the mayor.

1928
03:10:58,260 --> 03:11:01,120
Can I ask the question here, sir?

1929
03:11:01,740 --> 03:11:05,020
Do they have a time frame on when this will be done?

1930
03:11:05,280 --> 03:11:11,000
Because I don't want this to be table, didn't know date whatsoever then.

1931
03:11:11,500 --> 03:11:14,680
Do they give us an idea on this?

1932
03:11:17,040 --> 03:11:20,080
Yes, or the permit review is kind of an iterative process,

1933
03:11:20,760 --> 03:11:25,100
but I would anticipate in this particular instance.

1934
03:11:26,520 --> 03:11:29,140
I mean, what obviously depends on how many deficiencies we find with it,

1935
03:11:29,140 --> 03:11:33,820
and how much to and then from and back and forth between the operator to address those issues goes on.

1936
03:11:34,240 --> 03:11:36,820
And it could be, you know, one cycle, it could be two or three.

1937
03:11:39,560 --> 03:11:49,120
I would think that we would be able to at least get an additional initial review of this within a month of reception.

1938
03:11:51,280 --> 03:12:00,000
But there may be other issues, and certainly it at that point in time, it would not be a completed permit application until technical review was completed.

1939
03:12:00,000 --> 03:12:05,020
As I know, we've advertised your public hearing from sure you do.

1940
03:12:05,040 --> 03:12:05,820
Yes, sir. We did.

1941
03:12:06,080 --> 03:12:06,860
Time frame for those.

1942
03:12:07,340 --> 03:12:13,160
Well, as I said, we don't even set them off until that court view of the permit has been completed.

1943
03:12:14,060 --> 03:12:21,480
Typically we try to, we try to, we try to, for a lot of least minimum ten days, maybe two weeks notice.

1944
03:12:22,400 --> 03:12:24,600
We send the people who are requested to public hearing.

1945
03:12:24,600 --> 03:12:31,180
we typically send them a letter by sort of five mail informing them of the public hearing

1946
03:12:31,180 --> 03:12:38,680
and we also put it on the Virginia Town Hall website, typically it's how we know

1947
03:12:38,680 --> 03:12:39,740
the five folks.

1948
03:12:40,320 --> 03:12:45,000
But as I said, we don't set that date until such time as we have a completed permit.

1949
03:12:45,960 --> 03:12:52,260
Now, are you involved with DEQ, did I do a separate report or, I mean, this permitting process,

1950
03:12:52,260 --> 03:12:56,460
Are you guys working together or not?

1951
03:12:56,940 --> 03:12:57,820
We all work together.

1952
03:12:58,160 --> 03:12:59,460
I'm aware of their processes.

1953
03:13:01,180 --> 03:13:05,800
We see their handy work, but their regulations or their regulations and their responsibility

1954
03:13:05,800 --> 03:13:09,080
and ours are ours.

1955
03:13:10,420 --> 03:13:17,940
I do know that in this particular instance, as I understand it, if they're going to crush

1956
03:13:17,940 --> 03:13:21,580
a material that would require an air quality permit from DEQ.

1957
03:13:21,580 --> 03:13:27,900
and I'm also familiar with their discharge water discharge standards under the VPDES program.

1958
03:13:29,580 --> 03:13:37,060
So the gentleman who could speak to you, knowledgeably in that area is Mr. Allen Newman, who is the area manager for DEHEAP here in Atlanta.

1959
03:13:39,100 --> 03:13:45,320
So you could contact Allen Newman at DEHEAP, he could probably give you specific symptoms of their programs.

1960
03:13:46,020 --> 03:13:51,780
I know that the water quality permit is a pretty straightforward process with a gentleman.

1961
03:13:53,580 --> 03:13:58,660
I don't know why I can't speak to the air quality permit, but I think it's a pretty standard.

1962
03:13:59,460 --> 03:14:02,700
Please, excuse me. The EQ does the water quality, right?

1963
03:14:03,080 --> 03:14:04,240
Yes, sir.

1964
03:14:04,240 --> 03:14:06,380
And they also do the one around the avenue corner here.

1965
03:14:06,720 --> 03:14:09,820
Yes, sir. There's two creaks around it. It's almost surrounded with creaks here.

1966
03:14:09,820 --> 03:14:16,280
Yes, or DQ, and then again Mr. Newman, who is the area manager, reach on me and it's your hair and the apping of office good.

1967
03:14:16,620 --> 03:14:19,680
The service will have to be there either way I say.

1968
03:14:20,000 --> 03:14:23,780
And I think it'd be best that we get all these results first.

1969
03:14:24,040 --> 03:14:26,120
Before we set another name.

1970
03:14:27,140 --> 03:14:31,240
Mr. Smith's time to change your motion that includes in waiting for results from DQ.

1971
03:14:31,840 --> 03:14:32,900
Not just D&A.

1972
03:14:33,560 --> 03:14:38,940
Well, if you want me to know about that, if it's the same as I can do like it.

1973
03:14:38,940 --> 03:14:45,680
I'd like to come in. The reason I asked this is I don't think it's fired any individual in this room.

1974
03:14:46,660 --> 03:14:55,160
For us to table something is set in white for several months to get an answer on what they have to say

1975
03:14:55,160 --> 03:14:59,260
with their public hearing and whatever is the reason I brought this point forward.

1976
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:21,220
There's a lot of questions you've been asked tonight. The Sunday I hadn't thought about. I said here in listen, what everybody's got to say, and that's why I asked to see if we could meet a specific date, because I've just done what this put on the table and everybody said, and I can ask, one word out around this, is the reason I asked this.

1977
03:15:23,520 --> 03:15:30,660
Okay, but I believe gentlemen, we can't really come up with a date yet, but you have an opportunity to get all your applications in and redo it.

1978
03:15:30,820 --> 03:15:30,960
Right, sir.

1979
03:15:31,160 --> 03:15:32,060
That's correct.

1980
03:15:33,720 --> 03:15:34,580
Any further discussion?

1981
03:15:35,060 --> 03:15:41,200
We have a motion, Mr. Smith, a second doctor, Baker, and we wait on the results of the MMA and the EQ,

1982
03:15:41,600 --> 03:15:43,520
or we can make a decision on this.

1983
03:15:45,320 --> 03:15:46,400
I'll pay raise your hand.

1984
03:15:48,700 --> 03:15:49,700
Seven of them.

1985
03:15:51,450 --> 03:15:53,310
But this will not be ruled on the night.

1986
03:15:53,310 --> 03:15:58,850
It will be active. We get more information from the MIMD and the EQ.

1987
03:16:02,510 --> 03:16:02,690
Okay.

1988
03:16:06,950 --> 03:16:10,450
Next item for a special for public hearing is request for such assistance.

1989
03:16:11,990 --> 03:16:21,670
Tommy and Linda Baker on behalf of JOMB, investment company LLC, property tax and my number 159-5-5-6.

1990
03:16:21,670 --> 03:16:26,130
The place of a special section for mid-tune structure operates small visits in general,

1991
03:16:28,940 --> 03:16:33,380
more specific dollar store and profit located on West Side of the lake around 58 gc.

1992
03:16:33,700 --> 03:16:39,720
In the intersection, which is the LJ Drive, private and eight.

1993
03:16:40,840 --> 03:16:41,980
Outer match to a district.

1994
03:16:46,480 --> 03:16:47,100
Can you repeat that?

1995
03:16:53,630 --> 03:16:54,770
Here it's correct.

1996
03:16:56,130 --> 03:16:56,930
It's correct there.

1997
03:17:01,290 --> 03:17:10,830
If you're not interested in this next public hearing we can continue,

1998
03:17:28,450 --> 03:17:29,110
you want to come up?

1999
03:17:36,360 --> 03:17:36,760
Yes sir.

2000
03:17:37,200 --> 03:17:43,270
I just want to make point of fathers of Tammy and Linda Baker listed here.

2001
03:17:43,510 --> 03:17:44,430
I have no idea who they are.

2002
03:17:44,670 --> 03:17:48,370
They're not related to me at any of them.

2003
03:17:48,370 --> 03:17:48,950
That's a disclaimer.

2004
03:17:52,880 --> 03:17:53,440
This room?

2005
03:17:54,240 --> 03:17:54,580
Yes.

2006
03:17:54,920 --> 03:17:56,500
Thank you Mr. Chairman board members.

2007
03:17:56,500 --> 03:18:04,580
We have an application tonight that's been presented by Mr. Tommy Baker on behalf of J&B Investment Company.

2008
03:18:05,900 --> 03:18:15,000
The application would allow for the dollar general store to be constructed on two lots located on Route 58.

2009
03:18:15,000 --> 03:18:23,580
Gay City Highway. The staff would like to note, however, that if approved, we would need

2010
03:18:23,580 --> 03:18:30,560
to have a boundary adjustment done in order to consolidate the two lots. Christina Clark,

2011
03:18:30,980 --> 03:18:36,680
Revis, spoken opposition to the application at the Planning Commission meeting. Mrs.

2012
03:18:36,860 --> 03:18:42,680
Revis expressed her desire for the area to remain rural. Angela Van Overse, spoken

2013
03:18:42,680 --> 03:18:48,600
Opposition noting she was adjacent to the site, and her bedroom and her office would face

2014
03:18:48,600 --> 03:18:53,420
the proposed store, and she was concerned about the lighting, the traffic, and the noise

2015
03:18:53,420 --> 03:18:55,200
that the dollar store would generate.

2016
03:18:56,840 --> 03:19:01,720
Gary Levin addressed concerns with the effect on the tax rates, and there were property

2017
03:19:01,720 --> 03:19:04,380
how it would affect their residential properties.

2018
03:19:06,610 --> 03:19:11,990
There was a motion made by Bruce Dando with a second by Terry Grossclosed to recommend approval

2019
03:19:11,990 --> 03:19:18,670
with the stipulation that the lighting on the side not bleed over onto the surrounding properties

2020
03:19:18,670 --> 03:19:23,950
and that the lighting of the exterior signs be limited to the operating hours.

2021
03:19:24,530 --> 03:19:26,250
And the vote was unanimous.

2022
03:19:26,770 --> 03:19:31,520
It was 6-0 and Mr. Feltie was absent from the media.

2023
03:19:31,740 --> 03:19:33,640
Questions from Mr. Freeman? Mr. Dr. Feltie?

2024
03:19:35,080 --> 03:19:38,680
Freeman referring to the map that shows the properties nearby.

2025
03:19:39,200 --> 03:19:39,580
Yes, sir.

2026
03:19:39,580 --> 03:19:46,720
It looks like about three properties adjacent. There appears to be some sort of store there.

2027
03:19:46,880 --> 03:19:48,940
Looks like a parking lot next to it.

2028
03:19:52,390 --> 03:19:57,690
If you have, in that particular area, you have a Valero gas station.

2029
03:19:58,570 --> 03:20:01,090
It used to be formerly BJ's market.

2030
03:20:01,390 --> 03:20:02,490
Okay, that must be there.

2031
03:20:02,770 --> 03:20:05,590
And behind the property, there appears also to be a business.

2032
03:20:05,590 --> 03:20:12,290
I've just seen Carl and Junior Barney, I've got some of my glasses to the rehearsal center.

2033
03:20:12,630 --> 03:20:19,810
You have mum, it's a sign company. Yes, and then farther down the road, you have the

2034
03:20:19,810 --> 03:20:22,810
didn'ts only seen business.

2035
03:20:23,290 --> 03:20:25,530
And that was seen.

2036
03:20:25,550 --> 03:20:26,250
Big Valley.

2037
03:20:27,570 --> 03:20:29,090
Nancy and Phil Benton.

2038
03:20:29,330 --> 03:20:32,010
Are there any other businesses in the jungle as well?

2039
03:20:33,790 --> 03:20:41,730
We're not on this one, if you go on to have a mobile home park, I would be considered, I guess, a business, rental property.

2040
03:20:42,170 --> 03:20:44,250
It's directly caught in this park.

2041
03:20:46,480 --> 03:20:54,940
I had this freeman look up for me on the gas station. It was built in 1970, so it was a grandfathered-in.

2042
03:20:55,160 --> 03:20:59,820
Bristol sign, they were approved with a permit in 1997.

2043
03:21:00,520 --> 03:21:01,360
Special extension.

2044
03:21:01,360 --> 03:21:05,060
with a special session. Thank you.

2045
03:21:07,100 --> 03:21:08,400
Any further questions, Miss Freeman?

2046
03:21:11,030 --> 03:21:11,750
If not, I'll declare

2047
03:21:11,750 --> 03:21:15,550
the public hearing open. Anyone here to speak in favour of this application?

2048
03:21:18,720 --> 03:21:19,100
Yes, sir.

2049
03:21:21,340 --> 03:21:27,220
Aaron Dickinson with J&B Investment Company, 325 Aaron Drive, Knoxville, Tennessee.

2050
03:21:28,520 --> 03:21:35,420
This is a similar building that project has been before you guys before. It's a 9100 square feet

2051
03:21:35,420 --> 03:21:44,160
it will bring eight to ten jobs use about 1500 gallons of water a month as far as the

2052
03:21:44,160 --> 03:21:49,160
lighting I'll say I think what I said last time is we can use deflectors and make the

2053
03:21:49,160 --> 03:21:54,380
light shine straight down with a parking lot so it doesn't bleed over to adjacent properties

2054
03:21:56,900 --> 03:22:02,900
other than that I guess I don't you know I've driven by the Valero but I'm not sure if

2055
03:22:02,900 --> 03:22:10,040
signs are on at night. I guess I would ask the board that if anybody knows. They are on a knife.

2056
03:22:10,940 --> 03:22:15,820
Okay. Well, I would just ask the board to take that into consideration concerning our signs.

2057
03:22:15,900 --> 03:22:20,580
It's approved. I'm going to map you to address any questions. You guys may have.

2058
03:22:20,600 --> 03:22:21,520
Thank you, sir.

2059
03:22:24,680 --> 03:22:25,420
Thank you.

2060
03:22:30,200 --> 03:22:32,440
Thank you. They have a white smile.

2061
03:22:37,160 --> 03:22:39,580
Yeah, not driven by at night, so I was unsure.

2062
03:22:39,580 --> 03:22:45,560
to write and question that they've had a major idea of this.

2063
03:22:47,520 --> 03:22:51,300
Which Jigsson are most, they're all built the same, typically.

2064
03:22:51,800 --> 03:22:54,900
Right, they really have three prototypes that can be mayored.

2065
03:22:56,040 --> 03:22:58,640
I throw by the one at Routenite, a 10-less night.

2066
03:23:00,340 --> 03:23:02,300
And just look over at those lights.

2067
03:23:03,020 --> 03:23:05,260
The outside lights are actually attached to the building.

2068
03:23:06,120 --> 03:23:07,520
OK, they don't have any pole lights on that one.

2069
03:23:07,520 --> 03:23:10,100
I think they had one pole light, but rest of them.

2070
03:23:10,100 --> 03:23:14,220
Okay, those lines are actually attached to the building and they want straight down.

2071
03:23:14,560 --> 03:23:16,860
Okay, so I just wanted to, that would probably be there.

2072
03:23:16,860 --> 03:23:19,980
There's various variations in the type of lighting they can put on the building.

2073
03:23:20,120 --> 03:23:23,300
We've been used thanks before, there's a number of different things you can do.

2074
03:23:23,460 --> 03:23:26,860
Just depending on the jurisdiction you're in and what they require.

2075
03:23:28,540 --> 03:23:32,540
That one out, not saying there's really it's not close to many homes on that one.

2076
03:23:32,540 --> 03:23:35,480
There's basis on both sides of that one.

2077
03:23:37,190 --> 03:23:38,430
Any further questions for you?

2078
03:23:39,870 --> 03:23:46,270
more on location of property here in the size for as much space you have available on on the

2079
03:23:46,270 --> 03:23:54,650
girth there. I noticed that a residential house adjacent to it and I read some concerns of you

2080
03:23:54,650 --> 03:24:01,810
is the space in your property there to put some kind of privacy edge like a landscape type

2081
03:24:01,810 --> 03:24:05,770
buffer yeah we could probably do that now you're referring if you're looking to our property to left

2082
03:24:05,770 --> 03:24:15,770
to the right from the road okay yeah we could put we've done a row of ever grain trees before

2083
03:24:16,590 --> 03:24:20,510
that's acceptable to the board because there's sufficient space there for you to do.

2084
03:24:20,510 --> 03:24:25,190
Now I got a caution you know I mean if you've been out there you can see that it's I mean it's

2085
03:24:25,190 --> 03:24:30,770
kind of a difficult slope so we'd have to be strategic I guess on how we planted those things

2086
03:24:30,770 --> 03:24:39,050
make sure that they grew and remained alive but more and not get to do that.

2087
03:24:39,210 --> 03:24:44,250
Just get a phone and have a look about your...the lot is elevated and it's on a slope.

2088
03:24:44,650 --> 03:24:46,870
How much grading work are you planning on doing there?

2089
03:24:47,010 --> 03:24:48,890
We haven't gotten in the engineering yet.

2090
03:24:49,650 --> 03:24:50,230
We normally don't.

2091
03:24:50,470 --> 03:24:51,670
So we have a approval.

2092
03:24:52,810 --> 03:24:54,690
So we've got an engineering gauge.

2093
03:24:54,950 --> 03:24:58,550
We're going to use the line bar if you guys are familiar with that.

2094
03:25:00,070 --> 03:25:05,870
But if we get a proof, we're going to set them loose, surveying and take a look at it, we just don't know yet.

2095
03:25:06,210 --> 03:25:08,190
You either have to flatten it or raise it one.

2096
03:25:08,850 --> 03:25:12,750
Yeah, I think we'll probably flatten it.

2097
03:25:13,230 --> 03:25:16,390
Because I think we have certain standards we have to meet for VDOT and our engines.

2098
03:25:17,810 --> 03:25:21,190
So I think we're going to have to flatten it, probably quite a bit.

2099
03:25:21,330 --> 03:25:22,990
And possible retaining all around the back.

2100
03:25:23,030 --> 03:25:23,630
Yes, sir.

2101
03:25:25,900 --> 03:25:27,220
Any further questions, please get in.

2102
03:25:29,430 --> 03:25:36,110
Thank you sir, anyone who's here to speak in favor of this application, you know, and here to speak in opposition.

2103
03:25:37,610 --> 03:25:39,210
Yes, ma'am, come forward, please.

2104
03:25:45,750 --> 03:25:49,210
My name is Donna Mumpower, 1-1-408, Reading Creek Road, Bristol Virginia.

2105
03:25:50,810 --> 03:25:54,810
I was in the impression that this particular dollar general store was the one on BAM's road.

2106
03:25:54,850 --> 03:25:56,790
I wasn't aware that it was on BAC Highway.

2107
03:25:57,990 --> 03:26:00,090
But since I apparently missed that meeting,

2108
03:26:02,590 --> 03:26:04,610
I'm just going to go ahead and speak out against this one.

2109
03:26:04,730 --> 03:26:08,490
You're talking about having two dollar general stores within 10 miles of each other.

2110
03:26:08,790 --> 03:26:09,510
Not a shirt, right?

2111
03:26:09,650 --> 03:26:14,390
We need two dollar general stores within two hundred miles of each other.

2112
03:26:16,010 --> 03:26:21,210
And as far as at the Gacy Highway, you do have some businesses that are right there.

2113
03:26:21,250 --> 03:26:23,050
And I get that.

2114
03:26:23,750 --> 03:26:28,930
I'm very disturbed about the one that you've already approved on the Bynoms Road.

2115
03:26:29,730 --> 03:26:32,350
especially when I know the background of that information.

2116
03:26:33,770 --> 03:26:36,690
So, you know, I've said here through this entire meeting,

2117
03:26:37,370 --> 03:26:39,110
listening to each one of you all,

2118
03:26:39,750 --> 03:26:42,270
and listen to all these wonderful people in what they had to say,

2119
03:26:42,550 --> 03:26:46,350
and it's really upsetting to me that I feel like there's only been one man

2120
03:26:46,910 --> 03:26:48,930
that hurting anything, and that was you.

2121
03:26:50,350 --> 03:26:52,550
And that's very disappointing to me.

2122
03:26:53,110 --> 03:26:56,730
So, I want to speak out that you need to really research

2123
03:26:56,730 --> 03:27:00,170
a little bit more before you guys make some judgements

2124
03:27:01,010 --> 03:27:01,450
because

2125
03:27:02,530 --> 03:27:04,790
I don't understand where you're going in this direction

2126
03:27:04,790 --> 03:27:06,650
and you're obviously not for the citizens

2127
03:27:06,650 --> 03:27:10,450
because if you were, you would heard everything that was sent tonight

2128
03:27:10,450 --> 03:27:12,750
so I'm in opposition too

2129
03:27:12,750 --> 03:27:15,710
because I don't see the point having a dollar general store within 10 months

2130
03:27:15,710 --> 03:27:16,630
each other

2131
03:27:16,630 --> 03:27:17,610
this is the county

2132
03:27:18,090 --> 03:27:22,730
and if you want to go to college, just go to town to get it

2133
03:27:22,730 --> 03:27:24,010
thank you

2134
03:27:27,210 --> 03:27:28,590
I don't know if I can speak

2135
03:27:31,720 --> 03:27:34,140
about what you're in close, what you're in the board.

2136
03:27:42,950 --> 03:27:46,290
I moved that way, father, the recommendations, planning commission.

2137
03:27:57,300 --> 03:27:57,940
Not second enough.

2138
03:28:02,740 --> 03:28:03,560
The motion is drawn.

2139
03:28:03,880 --> 03:28:04,640
Second, Mr. Gibson.

2140
03:28:05,000 --> 03:28:05,740
Are you further discussion?

2141
03:28:09,710 --> 03:28:11,190
I guess I would like to say something.

2142
03:28:12,850 --> 03:28:17,270
I'm a little concerned that the impression was the more listening.

2143
03:28:18,870 --> 03:28:21,670
On the previous issue, I think we listened very carefully.

2144
03:28:22,210 --> 03:28:25,150
A number of issues were brought before us that we had to consider.

2145
03:28:25,150 --> 03:28:28,590
But they were questions that, frankly, we could answer.

2146
03:28:29,790 --> 03:28:34,990
I don't know any, but I'm a board that's qualified to determine air quality or the effect of ground of blasting.

2147
03:28:35,630 --> 03:28:38,430
It's one thing to decide whether or not building to be built somewhere,

2148
03:28:38,550 --> 03:28:44,350
but to another, whenever the question involves such factors as mining,

2149
03:28:44,590 --> 03:28:46,230
and for that we have to defer its experts.

2150
03:28:46,770 --> 03:28:48,810
Now we could have just gone ahead and approved it anyway,

2151
03:28:48,810 --> 03:28:58,190
because, you know, it's a business, but the citizens brought reasonable questions of the impact on the neighbors.

2152
03:28:58,930 --> 03:29:02,810
And so our action was to find out the answers about what we made in the action.

2153
03:29:03,250 --> 03:29:07,010
That that wasn't a deferment, and it wasn't not listening to what the citizens had to say.

2154
03:29:07,330 --> 03:29:11,090
It was acting on what the citizens had to say to actually get real answers for them.

2155
03:29:13,140 --> 03:29:14,180
Any further discussion?

2156
03:29:14,540 --> 03:29:23,450
Yeah, I just want to say that, you know, this business is a dollar general store, like the one in B&M's.

2157
03:29:24,150 --> 03:29:38,070
Now, I thought that it's super vouchers in South West Virginia and tell about the opposition that we have on a lot of B&M's and new developments and most South West Virginia counties would love to have our problem.

2158
03:29:38,990 --> 03:29:41,070
They're not having any new B&M's, they're closing.

2159
03:29:41,670 --> 03:29:48,490
And we're one district, one county that is actually having new development, we're having growth.

2160
03:29:51,150 --> 03:29:54,230
And you know, if you want to get the car and drive the rest of the county,

2161
03:29:54,370 --> 03:29:56,830
do you see what I'm talking about?

2162
03:29:57,310 --> 03:29:58,110
Let's pay for a leave.

2163
03:29:58,710 --> 03:29:59,770
But people are coming here.

2164
03:30:00,590 --> 03:30:11,270
When you have growth, you need things, you need to keep up with the growth. And for that reason, that's why I second this motion to approve of this.

2165
03:30:11,990 --> 03:30:16,550
And the market would dictate if you need $2,000, $2,000 and $10,000.

2166
03:30:16,690 --> 03:30:20,630
It's the market would dictate. It's cut capitalism. It's cut free enterprise.

2167
03:30:22,410 --> 03:30:23,450
Thank you.

2168
03:30:23,450 --> 03:30:25,070
for the discussion.

2169
03:30:26,090 --> 03:30:27,690
There are motion, Mr. Owen's signature gifts.

2170
03:30:28,310 --> 03:30:29,790
I'll play raise your hand.

2171
03:30:30,970 --> 03:30:31,430
Let's have a note.

2172
03:30:33,950 --> 03:30:37,090
Next application is the request of special section permit.

2173
03:30:38,570 --> 03:30:42,010
Ramirez contracting LLC on behalf of any Ramirez.

2174
03:30:42,130 --> 03:30:44,830
For Ramirez contracting LLC property tax.

2175
03:30:44,950 --> 03:30:48,230
My number 086-5-1A.

2176
03:30:49,250 --> 03:30:53,370
Request for special section permits to construct an operator light industrial use.

2177
03:30:53,370 --> 03:30:57,590
We're specifically an asphalt panel property located on the south-south-south-south-south

2178
03:30:57,590 --> 03:31:06,130
State Route 879 ultra-road at the intersection of State Route F274 Harrison Road, and A2 at

2179
03:31:06,130 --> 03:31:09,690
Culture General Zone, Harrison Marshall District, Ms. Freeman.

2180
03:31:11,900 --> 03:31:13,100
Chairman, board members.

2181
03:31:15,240 --> 03:31:21,300
This is a previous application that was approved in 2008 for a special

2182
03:31:21,300 --> 03:31:31,740
exception permit to construct an operate the asphalt plant. However, Mr. Ramirez was unable to complete the construction within the 24-month period.

2183
03:31:32,480 --> 03:31:41,200
He is here tonight to ask that it be granted again for approval. You do have in your information, the application data.

2184
03:31:41,200 --> 03:31:53,140
The correspondence from VDOT, the environmental quality air permit, we had the application that was approved and granted May 13, 2008 by the governing body of the Board of Supervisors.

2185
03:31:53,600 --> 03:31:59,900
You have a memorandum that's provided to you of the action that was taken at the public hearing on May 13.

2186
03:32:00,560 --> 03:32:11,180
You also have a detailed summarization of the activity of the previous application before the planning commission with the minutes as well as the proposal and the general information.

2187
03:32:11,180 --> 03:32:17,340
that was submitted. And then of course your verification of illegal advertisements, your photos,

2188
03:32:17,680 --> 03:32:24,020
and your zoning map. The planning commission meeting, there was no opposition present.

2189
03:32:25,460 --> 03:32:31,720
Mr. Ramirez spoke to the planning commission. He did give some updated material as far as

2190
03:32:31,720 --> 03:32:41,200
a presentation. You have both the air quality from DEQ in reference to the run-off and the

2191
03:32:41,200 --> 03:32:48,780
emissions. There was a motion made by Mr. Joe Hutton, seconded by Paul Wider, to recommend

2192
03:32:48,780 --> 03:32:54,960
approval once again of a special exception permit. But this time Mr. Joe Hutton asked

2193
03:32:54,960 --> 03:33:01,080
that consideration and it was recommended in the motion. He given to have a signed place

2194
03:33:01,080 --> 03:33:13,000
Mr. Ramirez property to ask that the trucks leaving the property to please take the east route on State Route 609 and

2195
03:33:13,000 --> 03:33:22,080
Mr. Ramirez agreed to that, so that was asked that a stipulation be placed in the motion for that and the vote was unanimous.

2196
03:33:22,080 --> 03:33:25,720
You're questioning the frame?

2197
03:33:28,100 --> 03:33:28,500
I don't know.

2198
03:33:28,960 --> 03:33:30,980
Can you sit on the stick on six or nine?

2199
03:33:31,140 --> 03:33:33,420
There's no six or nine listed on the maps provided.

2200
03:33:34,100 --> 03:33:37,020
Is this the same as the stick value, 79?

2201
03:33:38,780 --> 03:33:40,200
Six or nine is on human.

2202
03:33:43,700 --> 03:33:44,460
Not showing them off.

2203
03:33:44,680 --> 03:33:46,200
You're not picking up on your...

2204
03:33:46,880 --> 03:33:47,560
When you're mad.

2205
03:33:47,620 --> 03:33:48,400
Come and highway.

2206
03:33:50,100 --> 03:33:52,240
I believe that map is in D&D for it.

2207
03:33:53,000 --> 03:33:53,360
Is what?

2208
03:33:54,160 --> 03:33:55,560
Map is in D&D for it.

2209
03:33:55,660 --> 03:33:57,180
Oh, D&D, I'm sorry.

2210
03:33:57,180 --> 03:34:00,900
Okay. If you leave off of...

2211
03:34:00,900 --> 03:34:03,460
I was didn't know it by number.

2212
03:34:03,960 --> 03:34:04,660
Okay, I'm sorry.

2213
03:34:05,440 --> 03:34:09,540
Yes, that would be a way for them to use human eye way

2214
03:34:09,540 --> 03:34:11,440
into town and to...

2215
03:34:11,760 --> 03:34:13,100
But they don't want them to take that route

2216
03:34:13,100 --> 03:34:16,620
because of the bridge there, it's so narrow, the under.

2217
03:34:17,940 --> 03:34:19,380
But they don't want them to take the route

2218
03:34:19,380 --> 03:34:22,980
road between there and near the four-eight center.

2219
03:34:23,120 --> 03:34:24,120
Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.

2220
03:34:24,120 --> 03:34:26,780
to be on with the underpass because it's all works.

2221
03:34:26,840 --> 03:34:31,440
It is narrow and there's one where major concerns last time

2222
03:34:31,440 --> 03:34:33,260
to head to application for this and where you're

2223
03:34:33,260 --> 03:34:36,660
quest to take the signing jet to request the trucks

2224
03:34:36,660 --> 03:34:38,620
and the whole race for a truck to want to go that way

2225
03:34:38,620 --> 03:34:41,100
would be if everyone at turn on salt works.

2226
03:34:41,580 --> 03:34:43,880
And that would be restricted, probably the single actual truck

2227
03:34:43,880 --> 03:34:45,120
could get on the underpass.

2228
03:34:45,740 --> 03:34:49,100
We haven't problems at that time with breaking the water lines

2229
03:34:49,100 --> 03:34:50,700
and stuff on the road.

2230
03:34:51,940 --> 03:34:52,580
Okay.

2231
03:34:55,420 --> 03:34:57,340
Any other questions for me?

2232
03:35:00,990 --> 03:35:03,030
We have anyone here to speak in favor of this application?

2233
03:35:03,610 --> 03:35:04,750
I was prepared as you hear.

2234
03:35:21,900 --> 03:35:22,800
My name is Eddie Romeras.

2235
03:35:23,100 --> 03:35:24,620
Last time, I think I gave the wrong address.

2236
03:35:24,880 --> 03:35:26,980
I was a little nervous, but I live at 21380.

2237
03:35:27,440 --> 03:35:28,260
Sheffield Corps.

2238
03:35:30,660 --> 03:35:33,200
As that pass around just a low note,

2239
03:35:33,300 --> 03:35:34,460
I won't happen in 2008.

2240
03:35:34,860 --> 03:35:36,540
We were about 2-3rds of the investment,

2241
03:35:37,020 --> 03:35:38,800
borrowed the money, bought the plant,

2242
03:35:39,400 --> 03:35:40,680
my head loss, bought the property,

2243
03:35:41,180 --> 03:35:43,100
so I can start that business.

2244
03:35:43,740 --> 03:35:50,220
2008, we all know the economy tank, and certainly it did not make sense to continue and borrow some more money.

2245
03:35:51,340 --> 03:35:57,300
But we continue our construction business and from our construction business, we've funded and paid for the plant,

2246
03:35:58,020 --> 03:36:00,040
actually bought the property for my loss.

2247
03:36:00,940 --> 03:36:05,360
So we had made the investment and committed it to the area.

2248
03:36:05,680 --> 03:36:10,660
So we, you know, I could have walked away from it and the default and everything,

2249
03:36:10,660 --> 03:36:14,760
But we have made an effort that the pay for it from our construction business.

2250
03:36:15,660 --> 03:36:21,840
So I think now the market is coming back as Mr. Gibson said earlier, we are growing

2251
03:36:21,840 --> 03:36:24,360
the county and there are some opportunities there.

2252
03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:27,060
I think there are some opportunities for local competition.

2253
03:36:27,440 --> 03:36:32,160
As everybody here knows, we have some local companies going to some business here,

2254
03:36:32,800 --> 03:36:36,760
a devine health construction who is owned by Ocaso, who is owned by CRH.

2255
03:36:36,760 --> 03:36:43,580
It's headquarter of Dublin, the operating 27 countries, that grow 100 locations in the United States,

2256
03:36:43,800 --> 03:36:50,480
and the report, 18.7 billion euros in 2013. There's a last information that I can find.

2257
03:36:51,080 --> 03:36:54,340
So it's a pretty large company, and they do a great job, and they serve this community,

2258
03:36:55,160 --> 03:37:02,340
but I think on the smaller size that we can come in and do some of that work here locally.

2259
03:37:03,020 --> 03:37:09,240
Next slide is competition with, again, old castle, and here's a $3 billion for the work

2260
03:37:09,240 --> 03:37:09,900
in the United States.

2261
03:37:10,020 --> 03:37:13,840
So again, I think we can take a small piece of that and work on that.

2262
03:37:15,540 --> 03:37:21,260
The 2014 Comprehensive Plan showed that entire area, as an area, for industrial,

2263
03:37:23,660 --> 03:37:24,600
the ultra-road

2264
03:37:24,600 --> 03:37:32,160
kind of separates the zoning there and so the property sits between ultra road and interstate

2265
03:37:32,160 --> 03:37:37,480
so there's nothing else behind and all the properties there or let me rephrase that

2266
03:37:37,480 --> 03:37:42,840
most of the properties are actually owned by investment or actually industrial companies.

2267
03:37:45,380 --> 03:37:49,080
You can look from the map that I provided might give you a little bit better idea on how

2268
03:37:49,080 --> 03:37:53,880
and how way, but you can see that that makes eye is right across the street, half-co, and

2269
03:37:53,880 --> 03:37:59,840
a lot of other neighboring businesses, including low fields, of course, you know, you got

2270
03:37:59,840 --> 03:38:06,140
whoop-saving distribution center, so there's a lot of businesses up in that area.

2271
03:38:06,880 --> 03:38:11,700
Back in 2005, the Washington County Industrial Development Authority actually addressed

2272
03:38:11,700 --> 03:38:15,820
the board and trying to get the entire area of resong to industrial.

2273
03:38:16,600 --> 03:38:20,760
So there was an opportunity at that time to do that.

2274
03:38:21,900 --> 03:38:27,500
A few items on general information, this is an asphalt plant operation only, no cork quarry,

2275
03:38:27,660 --> 03:38:28,520
none of that.

2276
03:38:28,740 --> 03:38:32,400
We'll bring in some of the aggregate and store it on site, but it will not be.

2277
03:38:32,560 --> 03:38:38,840
The site's actually surrounded on all sides, except obviously on all trail by trees, so there's

2278
03:38:38,840 --> 03:38:42,240
a lot of blockage from the highway and everywhere else.

2279
03:38:43,920 --> 03:38:50,740
We submitted our program at preliminary plants at the time and also provided a bond for

2280
03:38:50,740 --> 03:38:58,020
every year and maintain up to date. So we actually have a side plan in the system here

2281
03:38:58,020 --> 03:38:59,140
in the county.

2282
03:39:01,800 --> 03:39:08,240
The construction operation of the plan that's actually, B.E.Q. is actually

2283
03:39:08,240 --> 03:39:14,320
the governing agency for that, so they'll be the ones that come in. And what they do, as

2284
03:39:14,320 --> 03:39:19,960
they'll come in, the monitor, the construction, and after the plan is built, they'll come

2285
03:39:19,960 --> 03:39:21,800
and then do what's called stack theft.

2286
03:39:22,160 --> 03:39:24,920
With Staddle Tell them, it does make the regulation.

2287
03:39:25,340 --> 03:39:28,500
It also, then they will tell us how much product we can produce.

2288
03:39:29,180 --> 03:39:33,220
So we're limited, the production of the plan is actually limited by the ability of the plan

2289
03:39:33,220 --> 03:39:34,540
to produce clean air.

2290
03:39:35,580 --> 03:39:40,520
So obviously, first of all, we've got to meet the standard and then based on that standard

2291
03:39:40,520 --> 03:39:44,420
and where we meet it is where our production numbers are set by the EQ and then they come

2292
03:39:44,420 --> 03:39:51,040
never so often and they check that by doing continuing stat testing.

2293
03:39:52,360 --> 03:39:55,200
The season of operation probably nine months out of the year, if you've got a good

2294
03:39:55,200 --> 03:40:01,140
year like this year, we'll probably get more production out of it, hope to create somewhere

2295
03:40:01,140 --> 03:40:06,120
on 10 jobs between people around the plant and hauling some of the material.

2296
03:40:07,840 --> 03:40:11,120
Of course, there'll also be local trucks that will be coming in and we talked about that

2297
03:40:11,120 --> 03:40:15,380
is only part of it. It will also be some other structure that we wouldn't know that would

2298
03:40:15,380 --> 03:40:23,900
come into by some of that mix. Hence the request put in on the side, it will say which way

2299
03:40:23,900 --> 03:40:28,560
they should come in. We can actually also print that on the ticket for the driver. So that

2300
03:40:28,560 --> 03:40:35,060
was also one thing. To put a picture of the general area there with what we consider the best

2301
03:40:35,900 --> 03:40:41,760
and ingress into it, and as you can see, it will be a lot easier for a driver to go up to exit 22

2302
03:40:41,760 --> 03:40:47,800
and you just take exit 22, either north or east or west, basically on 81.

2303
03:40:49,220 --> 03:40:53,080
So a lot of growth going on the east, adding as far as for the high school is, and all that.

2304
03:40:53,260 --> 03:40:55,900
So definitely, unless they have to go underneath there, and all sorts of works,

2305
03:40:56,060 --> 03:41:00,120
it probably would not be much of a need, unless you were putting makes in there

2306
03:41:00,120 --> 03:41:03,000
that a driver will go through that traffic to get there.

2307
03:41:03,000 --> 03:41:09,080
So you'd like to think that the easiest way of egress would be using that.

2308
03:41:12,170 --> 03:41:17,130
And then on the traffic side, and last year, VEDOT actually white and browned 609, put

2309
03:41:17,130 --> 03:41:18,790
brand new water lines from 609.

2310
03:41:19,450 --> 03:41:24,370
We actually put in the water lines on the project and the sewer lines going from old trail

2311
03:41:24,370 --> 03:41:29,350
out that basically enterprise road and enterprise road had been white and so there's

2312
03:41:29,350 --> 03:41:39,220
access for trucks and both directions and I think that's it pretty much for what I had

2313
03:41:40,850 --> 03:41:42,170
any questions.

2314
03:41:47,090 --> 03:41:53,150
What type of you going to have a tower there with your asphalt and how many times can you do the badge?

2315
03:41:54,370 --> 03:42:01,510
I think it's a three-toned badge if I remember correctly and we'll have the storage on the upper side of that lot

2316
03:42:01,510 --> 03:42:11,330
and we'll put the cold feet in, so we can bring the mixture on the top, material from the top and drop it into the cold feet in there.

2317
03:42:11,910 --> 03:42:16,930
So on three times the time, it will take a little while for a truck to load 15 to 20 times.

2318
03:42:17,270 --> 03:42:18,390
So you're not going to be...

2319
03:42:18,390 --> 03:42:19,530
Yeah, it's a mouse plant.

2320
03:42:20,030 --> 03:42:22,530
Not going to be a large volume of power.

2321
03:42:22,970 --> 03:42:23,030
Correct.

2322
03:42:23,290 --> 03:42:24,110
Yeah, yes.

2323
03:42:24,270 --> 03:42:25,250
So it's a vast plant.

2324
03:42:25,550 --> 03:42:27,710
So we got a batch and we can't store it.

2325
03:42:27,710 --> 03:42:32,030
And as quickly as WS does, that's right in there, it's replaced frames, yes sir.

2326
03:42:32,150 --> 03:42:35,530
You'll be more competition with Watson, right in this sir.

2327
03:42:35,870 --> 03:42:42,470
Yeah, that's the market that we look to try to capture and pull it beside it, count.

2328
03:42:43,750 --> 03:42:44,850
Any questions, gentlemen?

2329
03:42:49,040 --> 03:42:49,720
Thanks sir.

2330
03:42:50,040 --> 03:42:51,600
Okay, when I first speak,

2331
03:42:53,660 --> 03:42:54,060
the proposition.

2332
03:42:58,060 --> 03:43:00,600
I do know that we did hear this a few years ago.

2333
03:43:00,760 --> 03:43:02,000
You did say the economy dropped.

2334
03:43:02,520 --> 03:43:04,640
It was approved, but there was major concerns

2335
03:43:04,640 --> 03:43:10,880
about the trucks going down the Illinois highway. That was the biggest concern. There was one here

2336
03:43:10,880 --> 03:43:16,560
to speak about the subdivision that was built. Carl's used to be joint manufacturing at

2337
03:43:16,560 --> 03:43:24,040
time, and that's up next to the regional jail on the back side, but this is a, I would say,

2338
03:43:24,260 --> 03:43:29,120
is that close to a quarter of a mile you'll be from that subdivision as you go up at road, not quite,

2339
03:43:30,800 --> 03:43:35,120
not quite, but it won't be right next to it.

2340
03:43:42,040 --> 03:43:44,660
If you would, so we cannot, we can hear you here.

2341
03:43:45,140 --> 03:43:48,620
Yeah, there's about three or four and actually, their entrance is on a 6-0-9.

2342
03:43:49,120 --> 03:43:54,080
So when you get to the intersection, their entrance kind of forge on the left.

2343
03:43:54,860 --> 03:43:58,480
They're traffic and our traffic will not make as much.

2344
03:44:05,210 --> 03:44:06,190
Any other questions?

2345
03:44:49,390 --> 03:44:51,350
Mr. Chairman, I've got this one actually.

2346
03:44:53,190 --> 03:44:57,650
Well, she helped it with the legal aspect, but I'll go over it and she's going to

2347
03:44:57,650 --> 03:44:59,970
address the legal aspect, but before I begin, we have a day.

2348
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:06,340
Epony that needs to go home if he can, and he needs to report to our forehand of Sukuhi, send one of the two home.

2349
03:45:13,980 --> 03:45:16,180
All right, never mind.

2350
03:45:16,180 --> 03:45:25,960
This is actually there's an email in your packet from Robert Green with WNL. WNL is actually moving the dirt at the X-19 Walmart development.

2351
03:45:26,980 --> 03:45:32,560
And currently the county's noise ordinance covered between 10 p.m. and 7 a.m.

2352
03:45:32,900 --> 03:45:38,400
Robert came in the office last week, saw the building official and grabbed me and he said,

2353
03:45:38,400 --> 03:45:43,940
Is there a thing we can do to move the dirt at night, do the traffic that is currently in 19?

2354
03:45:44,820 --> 03:45:51,820
And they're concerned of, you know, in nighttime obviously they potentially could violate the noise ordinance, and obviously they didn't want to do that.

2355
03:45:52,360 --> 03:46:03,060
So the only option went to Ms. Phillips would be for the board to consider an emergency adoption to modify the noise ordinance for a specific purpose in this case for public safety.

2356
03:46:03,060 --> 03:46:11,340
You'll see a letter from his Brown from B.D., encouraging, moving the dirty nighttime for the safety and congestion of X-19.

2357
03:46:13,020 --> 03:46:17,740
Also, Robert Seminole requesting, we look into this after he and I talked.

2358
03:46:18,660 --> 03:46:32,560
But this noise ordinance would, if modified by the board, would actually, as Philips' draft and language would allow the county administrator to make a modification to an exempt for special reasons public safety mainly.

2359
03:46:32,560 --> 03:46:37,720
the incordination of state and local agencies for a specific period of time.

2360
03:46:38,300 --> 03:46:42,720
So if the Board would approve it, would allow me to have the authority in this one case

2361
03:46:42,720 --> 03:46:49,560
with X-19 development to exempt them from the noise ordinance from, say, 7 p.m., the 7 a.m.,

2362
03:46:49,560 --> 03:46:54,800
it's kind of what Robert and I talked about, or 6 p.m., the 6 a.m., whatever the Board would

2363
03:46:54,800 --> 03:46:59,980
like to do. That's up to y'all, obviously, if you want to provide some guidance on what you

2364
03:46:59,980 --> 03:47:06,460
thought the time would make sense. But under the state code, this ordinance, if adopted, would

2365
03:47:06,460 --> 03:47:13,300
only be good for 60 days, and so basically it would sunset. So that's what the request is.

2366
03:47:14,060 --> 03:47:18,940
They would probably move the dirt within a period of two weeks. It's what he told me.

2367
03:47:19,420 --> 03:47:24,580
So if the board was to adopt this and provide the authority, I would basically provide a letter

2368
03:47:24,580 --> 03:47:30,360
to WNAO provide the permission and exemption from this county ordinance and provide that

2369
03:47:30,360 --> 03:47:37,400
also the shares office in case there was a call. Just kind of a side comment because the

2370
03:47:37,400 --> 03:47:43,720
location of the site, the interstate's right there, you know, the noise probably is going to be

2371
03:47:43,720 --> 03:47:49,740
about the same as interstate traffic and truck traffic. But nonetheless, they're playing it safe

2372
03:47:49,740 --> 03:47:51,260
And that's what the request is about.

2373
03:47:52,280 --> 03:47:57,540
It's a very talk to me about this and first proposal was, go from six to six, I ask you

2374
03:47:57,540 --> 03:48:02,320
to play with proposed, go from seven to seven, that way they would stop before the school

2375
03:48:02,320 --> 03:48:07,660
traffic started coming in and it's also at seven clock in the evening and give more of the people

2376
03:48:07,660 --> 03:48:12,080
going home from work to get out of that intersection because I have seen them back up on

2377
03:48:12,080 --> 03:48:17,180
the interstate coming down, coming northbound to get out there so they would help with that.

2378
03:48:17,180 --> 03:48:22,920
I'll also ask him if they would request a V-Dot to sign a judge or the large sign with the

2379
03:48:22,920 --> 03:48:29,240
trucks entering the Warren people before they get there, and then I'll also ask him to

2380
03:48:29,240 --> 03:48:36,480
find out who would affect the only ones that on the job site would be the people in departments

2381
03:48:36,480 --> 03:48:37,900
behind it.

2382
03:48:37,920 --> 03:48:43,060
And if they work off the front of the pile, they won't hear it either because the trucks will

2383
03:48:43,060 --> 03:48:43,920
not be dumping there.

2384
03:48:43,920 --> 03:48:49,820
thing with here with the engine running of the excavator to load the dirt. The trucks will not be

2385
03:48:49,820 --> 03:48:54,740
banging or tailgates because of either the load they will be there to empty. I didn't ask him to find out

2386
03:48:54,740 --> 03:49:00,800
where they were hauling the dirt too. I believe it's going your direction out there and calls it might

2387
03:49:00,800 --> 03:49:04,760
affect people there because there probably will be a bulldozer there running and the trucks banging

2388
03:49:04,760 --> 03:49:11,900
the tailgates get the dirt slide out of it. Fish hauling night to dirt like stick. So, what did you say

2389
03:49:13,000 --> 03:49:21,900
It's the property in between Ray Valley Road, and I'm sorry, Bethel Road and Ray Valley Road just on the left.

2390
03:49:22,420 --> 03:49:27,040
If you'll remember where WNL was dumping the dirt from the 58 winding project.

2391
03:49:27,500 --> 03:49:28,700
It's the same location.

2392
03:49:29,860 --> 03:49:32,480
The gentleman's name escapes me, but it's a farm.

2393
03:49:33,200 --> 03:49:36,720
The county's already issued the permit to move the dirt to that location.

2394
03:49:37,500 --> 03:49:43,800
So everything's done there, so basically it's the same operation that VDIN-WNL used before.

2395
03:49:44,120 --> 03:49:51,520
Well allow this to happen. The impact of noise would not affect peak was much as the traffic would affect when you're under your daytime.

2396
03:49:52,520 --> 03:49:58,220
As far as I know there's no complaints of where they dump the dirt for the 58 projects, it seems to be a safe location.

2397
03:49:59,700 --> 03:50:05,600
The place you're talking about dumping is that down at the turn-off off of the new 50-year-old

2398
03:50:05,600 --> 03:50:11,140
on-deray valley or it's where there are dumping up there closer to the upper-end of Bethel Road.

2399
03:50:11,620 --> 03:50:16,180
It's just past Bethel before Ray Valley where the land kind of went down on it.

2400
03:50:16,420 --> 03:50:20,800
A V-shaped and now it's going to lift it up to road level to the new road level.

2401
03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:23,720
A few hundred feet after the Bethel first Betheled.

2402
03:50:23,720 --> 03:50:30,840
Because there's another downside down in the most close to the Ray Valley, so it's in that in that area.

2403
03:50:31,080 --> 03:50:35,560
There's almost no houses there anywhere nearby, so.

2404
03:50:35,720 --> 03:50:38,020
And what's the place where the board on this one?

2405
03:50:38,240 --> 03:50:40,920
Did you put that in the form of motion from seven, seven?

2406
03:50:41,240 --> 03:50:41,820
This is what you've done.

2407
03:50:42,040 --> 03:50:43,560
I'm a lazy request, yes ma'am.

2408
03:50:43,800 --> 03:50:45,660
There does have to be public hearing on this.

2409
03:50:47,320 --> 03:50:47,780
All right.

2410
03:50:48,500 --> 03:50:50,560
I mean, I will open public hearing.

2411
03:50:50,560 --> 03:50:52,700
I'm here to comment on this.

2412
03:50:56,510 --> 03:50:58,010
I'll have a clear plug thing closed.

2413
03:50:58,470 --> 03:50:59,170
Thank you, Miss Phillips.

2414
03:51:00,490 --> 03:51:02,110
I didn't like the request that it would be seven.

2415
03:51:02,710 --> 03:51:05,110
Was that okay with them about that time?

2416
03:51:05,190 --> 03:51:06,150
I think it would be fine.

2417
03:51:06,270 --> 03:51:09,550
I know that you'd like to go 12 hours at a time to do it, so.

2418
03:51:09,710 --> 03:51:13,050
I think any ability to do it would be greatly appreciated.

2419
03:51:15,540 --> 03:51:18,880
And we've one time looked at having to burn brush air and impact it.

2420
03:51:19,040 --> 03:51:20,540
We get to hollow it all off with the burning.

2421
03:51:20,880 --> 03:51:21,640
They have worked out.

2422
03:51:21,700 --> 03:51:22,260
And worked.

2423
03:51:22,760 --> 03:51:23,680
So, two of that emotion.

2424
03:51:28,860 --> 03:51:32,660
Here but I'll make motion next here.

2425
03:51:33,320 --> 03:51:35,300
Who made motion?

2426
03:51:35,840 --> 03:51:37,240
I'd need any.

2427
03:51:37,240 --> 03:51:37,760
Any recommendations?

2428
03:51:38,720 --> 03:51:39,720
Anything except me?

2429
03:51:40,780 --> 03:51:41,320
I'll play times.

2430
03:51:41,420 --> 03:51:42,120
I'll pay for hand.

2431
03:51:42,880 --> 03:51:43,280
I'll tell you one more.

2432
03:51:43,720 --> 03:51:44,700
I'll post.

2433
03:51:45,120 --> 03:51:46,040
I'll post!

2434
03:51:49,250 --> 03:51:49,890
I'll post.

2435
03:51:49,890 --> 03:51:50,090
I'll post.

2436
03:51:50,290 --> 03:51:51,690
We finished the public duty.

2437
03:51:52,830 --> 03:51:57,290
Next slide is general business consideration resolution occurring with a junior part in the

2438
03:51:57,290 --> 03:52:03,170
current situation decision to temporary, the closed approach to route 808, Hallsbottom,

2439
03:52:03,290 --> 03:52:03,870
Road,

2440
03:52:06,760 --> 03:52:07,300
welcome sir.

2441
03:52:09,320 --> 03:52:13,940
I'm John Watson, I'm the assistant resident administrator at the 11th resident.

2442
03:52:15,500 --> 03:52:21,780
We have some construction projects needing to take place on the Interstate 81, where we

2443
03:52:21,780 --> 03:52:28,400
have twin bridge structures that will need replaced. These bridges cross over route 808,

2444
03:52:28,560 --> 03:52:35,540
Harbottom Road. And our bridge construction is going to impact traffic on route 808, Harbottom Road.

2445
03:52:36,180 --> 03:52:41,420
And I have asked Mr. Marty Harway, I need to be here with our construction division to be here

2446
03:52:41,420 --> 03:52:46,340
tonight to try to answer any questions that you all may have at this time. And Marty has

2447
03:52:46,340 --> 03:52:50,240
short presentation on this project, please support

2448
03:52:52,280 --> 03:52:56,340
Mr. Chairman, more members currently

2449
03:52:56,340 --> 03:53:04,400
the Department is receiving offers closed as of Bob O'clock yesterday. The project will

2450
03:53:04,400 --> 03:53:12,240
be a design bill project. The reason we're asking the request so far in advance is as part

2451
03:53:12,240 --> 03:53:19,360
the contract. We have to tell the contractor what time frame he can work on the road and so

2452
03:53:19,360 --> 03:53:26,660
for so that he knows how perfect his bid. Route 81 will be unimpacted other than a speed reduction

2453
03:53:26,660 --> 03:53:42,220
based off of safety needs. The project is anticipated to be awarded in April. That's when

2454
03:53:42,220 --> 03:53:48,680
type of construction work there to replace the twin structures. They do have to be

2455
03:53:48,680 --> 03:53:56,020
complete by August of 2018. It's a very aggressive schedule, a very

2456
03:53:56,020 --> 03:54:10,560
tight rally at a weight will be impacted by some of the construction work to go

2457
03:54:10,560 --> 03:54:18,180
most greatest impacted residents that would utilize 808 to access back to Route 81.

2458
03:54:19,260 --> 03:54:26,960
Currently, it's three miles and seven minutes from the most impacted to 81.

2459
03:54:28,260 --> 03:54:34,770
The detour that we or it should, should the Route 808 be closed, the detour would take

2460
03:54:34,770 --> 03:54:43,610
folks from Rayland Metos in that area down at 808 to the Jonesboro Road to Route 611 which

2461
03:54:43,610 --> 03:54:53,490
has just been newly upgraded to exit 13. That's a 4.4 mile B2 or it's 9 minutes so the

2462
03:54:53,490 --> 03:55:02,730
traveling public would be impacted by 1.4 miles in 2 minutes. With this we've got three

2463
03:55:02,730 --> 03:55:10,470
proposals, or three options, that we would like for the Board to consider allowing us to,

2464
03:55:10,470 --> 03:55:16,870
for the offers to bid on. Whatever decisions made to nine would not be made, it is not

2465
03:55:16,870 --> 03:55:21,270
the final decision. This is only for bidding purposes. Once we had the contractors

2466
03:55:21,270 --> 03:55:27,970
full plan in place, we would then come back to the Board and request whatever they are offering

2467
03:55:27,970 --> 03:55:34,310
to us for more safety and more efficient operations, as I did say, this is a very, very

2468
03:55:34,310 --> 03:55:43,390
tight time frame to construct to large structures on I-81. The first option is the

2469
03:55:43,390 --> 03:55:48,850
third option that I would like for the board to consider allowing offers to bid on would

2470
03:55:48,850 --> 03:55:54,570
be a complete closure of route 808 for the time of construction starting, not the time of

2471
03:55:55,310 --> 03:56:03,390
But it's time of construction so it could be closure for approximately a year, maybe along that.

2472
03:56:05,010 --> 03:56:13,570
The second option that I would like for the board to consider would be intermittent closures on 808 to where the

2473
03:56:14,490 --> 03:56:26,890
Construct your kid, close the road for two months at a time to do concrete deck removal operations, beam removal and plus a setting of beams.

2474
03:56:29,870 --> 03:56:33,710
Like it be somewhere between eight to ten closures throughout the year.

2475
03:56:35,110 --> 03:56:44,290
The final option is do nothing, not allowing closures on 808, which is not recommended, but I wanted to throw it out to the board for consideration.

2476
03:56:44,970 --> 03:56:56,950
This will severely, even though there will be no closure, it will impact users' other road by delay flagging operations because we do have to make sure it is safe operations.

2477
03:56:59,790 --> 03:57:13,350
So, that is all I have. One thing I'm just asking for you guys is a resolution of support for one of those options that I can take back and incorporate into the contract for the bidders to consider and bid on fairly.

2478
03:57:13,350 --> 03:57:17,870
You have a traffic count on every little possible.

2479
03:57:18,590 --> 03:57:20,250
You've been playing a day.

2480
03:57:22,520 --> 03:57:23,480
I'd hate to quote that.

2481
03:57:23,980 --> 03:57:25,920
If I may, I can get that back to you.

2482
03:57:26,380 --> 03:57:27,220
I just want it.

2483
03:57:27,220 --> 03:57:29,380
I know it's not used as much as I missed it.

2484
03:57:29,620 --> 03:57:30,380
It's a 13.

2485
03:57:31,060 --> 03:57:32,440
Where you've just improved it.

2486
03:57:32,780 --> 03:57:33,700
And that will help this.

2487
03:57:33,940 --> 03:57:35,340
I'm also, because it's just stuff to read.

2488
03:57:36,220 --> 03:57:36,620
Yeah.

2489
03:57:37,460 --> 03:57:39,020
Also, we're going to get back to you.

2490
03:57:39,300 --> 03:57:41,260
All the way to Bristol, is it?

2491
03:57:41,260 --> 03:57:41,840
That would be it.

2492
03:57:43,620 --> 03:57:50,560
Because typically they would take X at 10 and access 81 that way and we're going to put them back to X at 13.

2493
03:57:51,240 --> 03:57:54,800
The only drawback I see is this will be very good.

2494
03:57:54,980 --> 03:57:59,520
Close the lane on interstate 81 because they're going to be doing an ever X at 14.

2495
03:58:00,660 --> 03:58:05,400
That's going to be very inconvenient for travelers, but it's something it has to be done.

2496
03:58:05,400 --> 03:58:11,840
There will be very close coordination, personally responsible for that coordination between the two projects.

2497
03:58:12,660 --> 03:58:22,780
And both projects do have to keep four lanes of 81 open at all times except for there will be a loud times at night once the traffic volume dies down.

2498
03:58:23,040 --> 03:58:25,320
That's when there's less impact to the users.

2499
03:58:26,420 --> 03:58:32,960
81 does carry about 28,000 vehicles a day, but at night time it tapers off to a little bit of nothing.

2500
03:58:33,820 --> 03:58:39,960
But it's going to be very landed operations that will take a lane and that will be sitting at beams and so forth.

2501
03:58:41,140 --> 03:58:46,960
At this time, the exit-14 project will start probably a project in the January 1st.

2502
03:58:48,020 --> 03:58:54,960
With them being first in, that means they had priority on lane closures over this project.

2503
03:58:54,960 --> 03:58:59,800
So you could not have unless coordination and traffic volumes did allow.

2504
03:59:00,300 --> 03:59:07,360
There is very stiff stipulations inside the contract that says you cannot take lanes or impact traffic during

2505
03:59:07,360 --> 03:59:14,740
Washington County Fair, Bristol races, or the UT Virginia Tech football game.

2506
03:59:16,120 --> 03:59:18,980
So we have it very spelled out of what they can.

2507
03:59:18,980 --> 03:59:24,500
can't date and thank you John. John just handed the traffic count for House

2508
03:59:24,500 --> 03:59:29,620
Bottom is 1,500. That was counted in 2013.

2509
03:59:32,080 --> 03:59:36,780
Be it with per day. But that's over a 24-hour

2510
03:59:37,520 --> 03:59:40,980
period and it is data information.

2511
03:59:43,040 --> 03:59:46,640
But we do have a very strict maintenance of traffic

2512
03:59:46,640 --> 03:59:51,980
plan for both of these projects, and we do require a large amount of coordination cooperation

2513
03:59:51,980 --> 03:59:53,180
from both contractors.

2514
03:59:56,020 --> 03:59:58,900
Hey, with your wish list, which one of the two do you like to have?

2515
04:00:02,510 --> 04:00:07,430
I prefer option one as a constructor, close it.

2516
04:00:09,470 --> 04:00:32,490
That will give us a more cheaper price. I feel. It will, it let me know a lot of the hazards that we can have as far as requiring containment systems for removing contrary to concrete from the bridge, which we do quite often over the interstate, and it's not creating an issue, but I would prefer option one if it was mild.

2517
04:00:32,510 --> 04:00:39,330
If it was my wish, retain the flaggers or if you use that often right, which does reduce calls.

2518
04:00:39,770 --> 04:00:48,510
We would have, we would have the detour adequately signed and we would not put it in place until we absolutely had to do that.

2519
04:00:50,150 --> 04:00:54,550
808 is not considered for any kind of reconstruction in the proposal.

2520
04:00:54,550 --> 04:01:02,210
However, I do have a caveat in there that does require the contractor any damages to 808, it's ditched lines

2521
04:01:02,210 --> 04:01:08,830
Anything utilities whatsoever. They do have to repair it back to an acceptable form of the department and that will be available

2522
04:01:11,420 --> 04:01:15,860
Dr. Beggard, yes, thank you. Since option one is a full closure will that

2523
04:01:16,460 --> 04:01:20,000
Reduce the amount of time that the shady one is in fact it will

2524
04:01:20,820 --> 04:01:24,880
There is a there is a incentive to the offer

2525
04:01:24,880 --> 04:01:32,140
So you complete the project, 90 days ahead of schedule, if so, he will receive a sound

2526
04:01:32,140 --> 04:01:38,620
of the amount based off of every day that he completes it ahead of the August timeframe.

2527
04:01:39,700 --> 04:01:44,660
One of the questions, just a general one, why are these being replies?

2528
04:01:45,300 --> 04:01:49,820
Is it just they're falling apart or you make them wider for it to later spend some free

2529
04:01:52,420 --> 04:01:56,900
there's the point of ticket, make ticket points there. The structures themselves are

2530
04:01:56,900 --> 04:02:02,880
structurally deficient, deemed by the way we analyze a bridge. As you can tell, the

2531
04:02:02,880 --> 04:02:08,560
patch quilt that you see across the bridge decks, they have been yourself no longer

2532
04:02:08,560 --> 04:02:14,240
repirable all we're doing now as emergency repairs to keep them and keep traffic moving.

2533
04:02:15,100 --> 04:02:20,400
The future bridges will have to have the possibility for expansion.

2534
04:02:21,080 --> 04:02:23,580
That is one thing that the design builder has to consider.

2535
04:02:24,720 --> 04:02:29,080
And as of right now we have a general concept to the design builder

2536
04:02:29,080 --> 04:02:34,140
that he can look at, but they can bring to us other options and other alternatives

2537
04:02:34,140 --> 04:02:39,940
that allows us to give a lot more value and they still have to consider everything in the timeframes.

2538
04:02:39,940 --> 04:02:48,680
It's an under or over, but now the conditions on 808, there is a site condition for people

2539
04:02:48,680 --> 04:02:54,300
coming out of Rayland Meadows taking a left to come to Jonesboro Road.

2540
04:02:54,780 --> 04:02:57,320
There is a current site distance issue.

2541
04:02:58,140 --> 04:03:02,280
The design builder can not make that condition worse.

2542
04:03:02,840 --> 04:03:08,660
It can only improve it, so if they can't change any of the existing conditions on 808.

2543
04:03:08,660 --> 04:03:11,540
So it would have very little impact to the users.

2544
04:03:11,800 --> 04:03:13,800
So the new bridges won't have a wider stance

2545
04:03:13,800 --> 04:03:17,140
to wait to be widened with you.

2546
04:03:17,380 --> 04:03:20,700
It will, you can't widen eight, eight, eight under there.

2547
04:03:21,100 --> 04:03:24,260
If you so choose to, in the future,

2548
04:03:25,660 --> 04:03:27,460
there will be the stream that you would have to mitigate

2549
04:03:27,460 --> 04:03:30,360
and work with there, along with the bank

2550
04:03:30,360 --> 04:03:31,540
that is underneath the bridge.

2551
04:03:32,040 --> 04:03:35,020
At this time, I don't want the design builder would do.

2552
04:03:35,260 --> 04:03:38,780
They could have the option to bring the bridge above the end,

2553
04:03:38,780 --> 04:03:43,280
which the department would like because that's less bridged to maintain its cheaper

2554
04:03:43,880 --> 04:03:49,180
more efficient product and if they do that then you know we would have to look

2555
04:03:49,880 --> 04:03:57,240
but if that is something that the board wishes I can put that in there that we would like to consider

2556
04:03:57,900 --> 04:04:00,700
possible future expansion 4808 under there.

2557
04:04:00,700 --> 04:04:10,640
It's been 1500 cars a day, I don't know, a highway in ten years, that is at a high number for a two lane, there's a lot of it.

2558
04:04:11,720 --> 04:04:17,140
It is, it would be what we consider how high and 400 vehicles per day is what we consider low by.

2559
04:04:17,780 --> 04:04:20,180
Fifteen's about right down the middle, I would say.

2560
04:04:41,270 --> 04:04:47,070
And the, you know, did you study some emergency services if you block that road?

2561
04:04:49,480 --> 04:04:52,660
What would they, will they have to travel up to?

2562
04:04:52,740 --> 04:04:57,380
They will, because they will have, it will increase their travel time.

2563
04:04:58,700 --> 04:05:02,080
We did model that and we did analyze it.

2564
04:05:02,080 --> 04:05:05,760
And it will increase it by two minutes of travel time.

2565
04:05:05,760 --> 04:05:13,580
There will be very inside of their many, many requirements that will be within this contract.

2566
04:05:14,060 --> 04:05:21,640
They have to provide EMS, any 911 services, plus it hits Virginia 5-1-1.

2567
04:05:22,020 --> 04:05:28,980
All the informational technology that we have today will be broadcasted to where it picks up on Garmin GPS or anything

2568
04:05:28,980 --> 04:05:31,860
of what the closures are and when the impacts will be.

2569
04:05:34,580 --> 04:05:35,460
Or questions,

2570
04:05:38,260 --> 04:05:42,420
when you do X-14, when you get to do the same thing?

2571
04:05:43,400 --> 04:05:49,680
It depends on on X-14, we don't anticipate closing any roadways there.

2572
04:05:50,460 --> 04:05:56,340
We told all the bidders that they would have to maintain traffic and auto-reactions now.

2573
04:05:57,120 --> 04:06:04,820
Loop ramp 5, which will be the northbound off ramp, will be closed temporarily for construction

2574
04:06:04,820 --> 04:06:11,260
connection. The contractor has 15 days to complete that connection. If not, he pays the

2575
04:06:11,260 --> 04:06:17,240
department around 15,000 dollars a day until he gets that completed. In this contract,

2576
04:06:17,720 --> 04:06:23,920
the any impacts to the main line will be at a cost of $584 an hour that he will conduct

2577
04:06:23,920 --> 04:06:28,640
it. He will compensate to come well for any impacts to the trailing public. Not to exceed

2578
04:06:28,640 --> 04:06:31,260
I think $14,000 a day.

2579
04:06:31,700 --> 04:06:35,400
All right, Janet, what's the pleasure on this?

2580
04:06:40,280 --> 04:06:41,820
You guys requested option one.

2581
04:06:41,960 --> 04:06:43,220
You have two others to consider.

2582
04:06:44,060 --> 04:06:46,780
Oh, it's a nice, an option one.

2583
04:06:47,760 --> 04:06:48,520
Thank you.

2584
04:06:48,840 --> 04:06:50,300
Motion is a good excuse.

2585
04:06:51,060 --> 04:06:52,840
Thank you Mr. Rollins for the discussion.

2586
04:06:53,720 --> 04:07:01,290
Would there be any benefits to go with option two other than saving money?

2587
04:07:03,510 --> 04:07:04,570
Lead to the travel, if you want.

2588
04:07:06,490 --> 04:07:12,710
It just gives them, you can possibly create confusion because then people don't know if it's open,

2589
04:07:12,870 --> 04:07:17,230
if it's closed, then they're taking a chance, but like I said, we will sign either way.

2590
04:07:17,890 --> 04:07:20,830
Whatever the board we're willing to work, the sense of the security.

2591
04:07:21,530 --> 04:07:25,250
I mean we'll gladly work with everybody as much as we can.

2592
04:07:25,250 --> 04:07:30,530
It's just that from the sounds of it option two would have a longer impact on the state

2593
04:07:30,530 --> 04:07:31,190
one.

2594
04:07:31,450 --> 04:07:31,690
Yeah.

2595
04:07:32,070 --> 04:07:32,510
Yeah.

2596
04:07:33,390 --> 04:07:35,870
I just one question I was having said.

2597
04:07:36,850 --> 04:07:42,270
We've indicated that we could request that they'd bridge the build a little wider, so

2598
04:07:42,270 --> 04:07:47,550
so 808 could be widened down the road, is that it's something that we should request

2599
04:07:47,550 --> 04:07:48,450
it this one.

2600
04:07:48,570 --> 04:07:51,230
We could probably request it, but that would be a state decision.

2601
04:07:51,790 --> 04:07:52,350
What's the magnetic?

2602
04:07:53,030 --> 04:07:54,370
I will incorporate it.

2603
04:07:55,630 --> 04:07:56,490
Don't worry about that.

2604
04:07:56,550 --> 04:07:57,510
I'll take care of that.

2605
04:07:57,550 --> 04:07:58,670
But now I'll also remember.

2606
04:07:59,670 --> 04:08:01,850
This option here is for bidding purposes.

2607
04:08:02,270 --> 04:08:05,590
I will come back to you again in the future for the final decision.

2608
04:08:06,250 --> 04:08:10,430
Because we may have an offer that doesn't do any of these.

2609
04:08:10,970 --> 04:08:13,950
It's just, this is one of these things that, I mean,

2610
04:08:14,190 --> 04:08:16,150
we don't do a lot of design bills in Bristol,

2611
04:08:17,090 --> 04:08:19,990
and this is one that we're wanting to experiment with.

2612
04:08:19,990 --> 04:08:40,550
and it's got a very tight time frame, and we're looking, like I said, we received, we have six offers, or six teams that's coming in, and they're very, very good teams, and we're very excited to have those folks coming in, because it's all the way from West Virginia down the North Carolina that are coming in to work on this.

2613
04:08:40,550 --> 04:08:42,330
Any further questions?

2614
04:08:43,190 --> 04:08:48,150
Mr. Chairman, is the motion to support the resolution concurring with the project?

2615
04:08:48,450 --> 04:08:49,810
I just want to make sure.

2616
04:08:50,590 --> 04:08:51,190
Back in.

2617
04:08:51,250 --> 04:08:52,530
I think you need that for sure.

2618
04:08:52,690 --> 04:08:52,910
No need.

2619
04:08:53,110 --> 04:08:55,350
Resolution, and you also need the option.

2620
04:08:56,450 --> 04:08:57,230
That's correct.

2621
04:08:57,950 --> 04:08:59,050
We'll do that in your motion.

2622
04:08:59,330 --> 04:08:59,450
Yes.

2623
04:08:59,910 --> 04:09:01,290
Should I include Resolution?

2624
04:09:01,810 --> 04:09:01,930
Yes.

2625
04:09:01,930 --> 04:09:02,770
Option one.

2626
04:09:03,270 --> 04:09:03,990
Thanks sir.

2627
04:09:04,810 --> 04:09:05,570
Darkness drones.

2628
04:09:07,980 --> 04:09:08,700
We've got the discussion.

2629
04:09:08,980 --> 04:09:09,940
I'll pay raise your hand.

2630
04:09:10,820 --> 04:09:11,300
Seven out.

2631
04:09:11,300 --> 04:09:16,510
Thank you. At any time, if you have any questions, feel free to contact me.

2632
04:09:17,300 --> 04:09:18,460
Listeners, sir.

2633
04:09:19,020 --> 04:09:19,400
Thank you.

2634
04:09:21,670 --> 04:09:26,210
Next is Floating at 1844-29 Butler-Thon Road.

2635
04:09:26,890 --> 04:09:27,850
Grant Residence.

2636
04:09:28,650 --> 04:09:30,290
This year, this week, I saw you.

2637
04:09:30,830 --> 04:09:32,330
Yes, Mr. Chairman.

2638
04:09:34,510 --> 04:09:39,850
As you know, Chris has been having problems with their flow for quite a while,

2639
04:09:39,850 --> 04:09:47,270
and they want to get some kind of answer here from the board so they know what kind of action

2640
04:09:47,270 --> 04:09:57,230
of the next step I need to take. I'd like for them to go ahead and make your comments to the board.

2641
04:09:58,330 --> 04:10:02,150
Well at first I'd like to say thank you for letting us come today and present this again.

2642
04:10:02,790 --> 04:10:06,910
We are coming to the meeting tonight to receive a vote from the Board of Supervisors on the flooding

2643
04:10:06,910 --> 04:10:11,990
issue on Bethlehem 100. We have presented this issue on two other occasions to the board,

2644
04:10:12,450 --> 04:10:17,470
but the timeline of the damage that has occurred at our property from 2009 to 2015.

2645
04:10:18,250 --> 04:10:22,930
There are three main reasons that we see Washington County being responsible for the damage

2646
04:10:22,930 --> 04:10:27,590
at our home. Washington County issued the building permit for our home in 2007,

2647
04:10:28,090 --> 04:10:33,230
and if that much water float in the area where the home was built, then this lot should have

2648
04:10:33,230 --> 04:10:39,470
have been issued a building permit. Subdivisions were required to determine the flow of storm

2649
04:10:39,470 --> 04:10:44,630
water during the construction process before lots are sold. This determines the amount

2650
04:10:44,630 --> 04:10:49,310
of water before construction and after construction. Additionally, due to the requirements

2651
04:10:49,310 --> 04:10:54,210
for septic systems and easements, this was the only area of the lot that the home could

2652
04:10:54,210 --> 04:11:01,210
be built. Washington County issued a permit to Kimden Village Subdivision in April of 2008

2653
04:11:01,210 --> 04:11:05,070
to allow lots to be sold in homes built on the property.

2654
04:11:05,710 --> 04:11:11,230
To permit, allow the developers to drain additional water into the area of our home.

2655
04:11:11,870 --> 04:11:16,470
We carry water from Camden Village Subvision, and Buffalo Hills,

2656
04:11:16,710 --> 04:11:21,450
Buffalo Pond Hill Subvision, and having the drainage ditch built in 2010,

2657
04:11:22,350 --> 04:11:27,410
will not carry the water that comes off the mountain in that area of Washington County.

2658
04:11:27,410 --> 04:11:46,730
Washington, came to village to cease construction of the subdivision in April of 2009 and released the bond that they were holding, but we were flooded in June of 2009 and received six inches of mud in air crawl space that we had to clean up.

2659
04:11:46,730 --> 04:11:51,610
It was the responsibility of Washington County to ensure that the ground was stabilized,

2660
04:11:52,330 --> 04:11:55,790
with grass or vegetation before the bond is released.

2661
04:11:56,390 --> 04:12:01,430
This bond money could have been utilized in the first flood to correct some of these problems,

2662
04:12:01,710 --> 04:12:06,090
had the county not released the bond back to Camden Village.

2663
04:12:06,650 --> 04:12:10,970
If Washington County would have ensured the ground was stabilized,

2664
04:12:11,470 --> 04:12:14,790
we would not have had all that mud washed in our cross-phase.

2665
04:12:14,790 --> 04:12:19,470
Washington County Building Fisher's officials have indicated that there are only

2666
04:12:19,470 --> 04:12:23,910
option for saving our property is to have the house raised to ensure that we

2667
04:12:23,910 --> 04:12:28,210
don't continue to have flooding within our cross-based and the potential of

2668
04:12:28,210 --> 04:12:34,430
having flooding in the living area of our home. This flooding is an inconvenience, a

2669
04:12:34,430 --> 04:12:40,470
financial hardship, and a huge health hazard for my family. We have received several

2670
04:12:40,470 --> 04:12:46,670
estimates that involve raising the house, additional block and building steps, moving the

2671
04:12:46,670 --> 04:12:52,610
crawl space location to the opposite side of the house, reconnecting the plumbing, having

2672
04:12:52,610 --> 04:12:58,770
the breaker box relocated, having additional drainage from Apple Jack Road, which is about

2673
04:12:58,770 --> 04:13:04,250
a half a mile left from our property, to our property to control the water on the buffalo

2674
04:13:04,250 --> 04:13:10,110
heat pond heals side subdivision of buffalo pond road. Repairs to the heat

2675
04:13:10,110 --> 04:13:16,130
pup damaged buffalo water and inspection of across-based formalde. The

2676
04:13:16,130 --> 04:13:21,370
cost associated with all these necessary corrections will be $50,000 to ensure the

2677
04:13:21,370 --> 04:13:25,950
flooding can be controlled and lessen the risk but we can lose our house to

2678
04:13:25,950 --> 04:13:30,710
flooding or have it lost due to the health health risk associated with flood

2679
04:13:30,710 --> 04:13:31,750
Well,

2680
04:13:45,860 --> 04:13:52,840
I'd just like to add a little bit, I know that I've done a lot of research on that,

2681
04:13:53,360 --> 04:13:57,820
and I really feel that we didn't do our job on this one.

2682
04:14:00,790 --> 04:14:09,850
Reminds me of the great wind day of flood, and a few other things that we had to come plain with,

2683
04:14:09,850 --> 04:14:17,210
but anonymous else was like some remarks here before I go a little further.

2684
04:14:21,120 --> 04:14:22,840
Yes, Mr. Chairman, members of the Board.

2685
04:14:23,680 --> 04:14:30,720
The trends have now made a official claim against the county and are alleging that the county's

2686
04:14:30,720 --> 04:14:35,000
livel to them for the expenses that's mischanted, just described.

2687
04:14:35,680 --> 04:14:38,400
And it's my understanding that she has forwarded that,

2688
04:14:38,400 --> 04:14:43,680
the transfer Mr. Mr. Mr. Trent had forwarded that correspondence to all members of the board

2689
04:14:43,680 --> 04:14:52,300
by email over the weekend. Under state law, of course, the county board of supervisors

2690
04:14:52,300 --> 04:14:59,400
is limited by the Dillon rule and the county can only do what's allowed by statute or implied.

2691
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:06,040
Or necessarily allowed by implication of the requirements of statute.

2692
04:15:08,200 --> 04:15:28,700
So, there's two things for the Board to consider as you look at this claim that the transfer making, first is the

2693
04:15:28,700 --> 04:15:35,400
is a political subdivision of commonwealth, and as a political subdivision of commonwealth,

2694
04:15:35,940 --> 04:15:42,360
it is subject to the same sovereign immunity that the commonwealth enjoys.

2695
04:15:43,360 --> 04:15:48,460
In other words, because liability is something that's established by law, and if you establish

2696
04:15:48,460 --> 04:15:54,720
by the government, then the only way the government can be sued is by those very laws themselves.

2697
04:15:54,720 --> 04:16:05,060
So, in this case, the state law does establish a very specific procedure for a person or

2698
04:16:05,060 --> 04:16:09,760
an entity to make a claim against the government, and the first step is what the trance

2699
04:16:09,760 --> 04:16:10,640
have done here.

2700
04:16:10,700 --> 04:16:16,080
They've notified you of the specific amount of a claim that they assert that they are entitled

2701
04:16:16,080 --> 04:16:17,340
to from the county.

2702
04:16:17,340 --> 04:16:27,000
Now, under state law, once that claim is made against the county, the county attorney is

2703
04:16:27,000 --> 04:16:34,320
obligated to advise the board as to whether that claim is a legal claim, or if it might

2704
04:16:34,320 --> 04:16:37,140
be an illegal claim for many number of reasons.

2705
04:16:37,280 --> 04:16:41,720
So I do have that responsibility to the board to give that advice, and I will give you that

2706
04:16:41,720 --> 04:16:42,280
advice.

2707
04:16:43,100 --> 04:17:03,320
I'm additionally the board then having heard that advice from me when we get to that point the board will make its decision and if there's of course two decisions that the board may make the board may make the decision to deny the claim or to grant the claim or grant some portion of it.

2708
04:17:03,320 --> 04:17:11,700
If the board decision is to deny the claim, then the claimants have to follow a very specific procedure

2709
04:17:11,700 --> 04:17:19,360
as set out in the state law in the event that they wish to appeal that claim, and they can file an appeal in circuit court.

2710
04:17:19,940 --> 04:17:26,000
But in order to do that, they are required to file a notice of appeal with the clerk, which would be the County Administrator,

2711
04:17:26,720 --> 04:17:32,120
within 30 days of the time that the board makes its decision on the claim,

2712
04:17:32,120 --> 04:17:40,080
And additionally, they would have to file surety in the amount of $250 to secure their faithful

2713
04:17:40,780 --> 04:17:43,820
prosecution of that claim as an appeal.

2714
04:17:44,740 --> 04:17:51,640
On the other hand, if the board decides to pay the claim, and if that decision is contrary

2715
04:17:51,640 --> 04:17:56,840
to the Vice of the County Attorney, if the County Attorney advises that it's an illegal

2716
04:17:56,840 --> 04:18:03,340
claim, and the board decides to go ahead and pay it. Then again, it's an obligation of

2717
04:18:03,340 --> 04:18:08,840
county attorney to request that the Attorney General's Office for the Commonwealth is

2718
04:18:08,840 --> 04:18:14,880
in opinion as far as the legality of that payment. And if the Attorney General's Office is

2719
04:18:14,880 --> 04:18:21,440
also of the opinion that payment of the claim is illegal, then a lawsuit would be brought

2720
04:18:21,440 --> 04:18:28,680
by the Commonwealth Attorney's Office against the Board of Supervisors to seek a judicial decision

2721
04:18:28,680 --> 04:18:30,740
as far as the legality of the payment.

2722
04:18:31,460 --> 04:18:39,460
If the payment is determined by a court to have been inappropriate, then the county of

2723
04:18:39,460 --> 04:18:45,020
course of the Board would be enjoying prohibited from making that payment, or if the payment

2724
04:18:45,020 --> 04:18:52,320
had already been made, then the county would be compelled to seek reimbursement from the

2725
04:18:52,320 --> 04:18:58,620
claimant. So those are the procedures that are set out in state law for situations

2726
04:18:59,020 --> 04:19:10,760
of this nature. So in terms of the legality of making the claim, the first consideration

2727
04:19:10,760 --> 04:19:17,340
and is what I mentioned earlier that the county has very strong sovereign immunity and in

2728
04:19:17,340 --> 04:19:27,980
particular the claims that are outlined in the trance letter all go to matters of governmental

2729
04:19:27,980 --> 04:19:33,760
public function and as governmental public functions as opposed to something that might

2730
04:19:33,760 --> 04:19:42,160
done by private enterprise, that those activities are subject to that sovereign immunity, and

2731
04:19:42,160 --> 04:19:48,660
the Virginia Supreme Court has consistently upheld that sovereign immunity, in other words,

2732
04:19:48,800 --> 04:19:55,000
saying that the county would not be liable for damages, even in the event of negligence

2733
04:19:55,000 --> 04:19:59,580
if such negligence had occurred on the part of public officials.

2734
04:19:59,580 --> 04:20:09,700
So the only way that that liability would occur would be as if there is some specific statute

2735
04:20:09,700 --> 04:20:15,300
or constitutional provision that would open the door to that liability and in this case

2736
04:20:15,300 --> 04:20:23,680
there's not one in particular for enforcement measures by county officials and building zoning

2737
04:20:23,680 --> 04:20:29,680
health, fire, and safety. I'm another matters. The court would not subject the county to

2738
04:20:29,680 --> 04:20:36,020
liability, even if conducted in a negligent manner. This has been I'm just consistent

2739
04:20:37,420 --> 04:20:44,040
and citizen application by the Virginia Supreme Court. I'm second, as again, as I mentioned

2740
04:20:44,040 --> 04:20:48,900
earlier, this is a Dillon rule state, and so the board is authorized to take an action

2741
04:20:48,900 --> 04:20:55,860
only if it's established by statute of Constitution or something that's necessary, necessarily

2742
04:20:55,860 --> 04:20:58,640
implied by statute of Constitution requirements.

2743
04:20:59,540 --> 04:21:07,140
And in this case, there's no statutory or constitutional authority for the Board of Supervisors

2744
04:21:07,140 --> 04:21:13,320
to give county money to a private individual to benefit their private property.

2745
04:21:13,320 --> 04:21:20,360
And so my advice to the board is that paying the claim that spending asserted by the

2746
04:21:20,360 --> 04:21:27,860
trance would be beyond scope of the board's authority and therefore not legal action.

2747
04:21:30,850 --> 04:21:31,530
I'm just

2748
04:21:34,980 --> 04:21:38,600
received from AMT.

2749
04:21:42,240 --> 04:21:43,240
What if we have clearly

2750
04:21:54,920 --> 04:22:00,100
taken from the Cannabis well beside would have reduced peak storm

2751
04:22:00,100 --> 04:22:07,520
of so forth. It goes on the ideas of my professional opinion that there is nothing

2752
04:22:07,520 --> 04:22:12,720
worse than can I can do legally to be able to treat a less active construct and

2753
04:22:12,720 --> 04:22:17,220
resume to a can do in the village. You have the idea.

2754
04:22:18,380 --> 04:22:26,260
Just keep in mind that they have in the last two months been over their bulldozinges. So technically

2755
04:22:26,260 --> 04:22:33,580
an active construction was over there. Now if they've continued it I cannot tell it from the land.

2756
04:22:34,200 --> 04:22:42,080
But at one point they had ran a lot of dirt around that property in the last two months.

2757
04:22:42,460 --> 04:22:45,280
Whether they got permits to do that, I don't know.

2758
04:22:47,550 --> 04:22:51,490
And the claim was made by somebody over on

2759
04:22:51,490 --> 04:22:58,650
them in villages side but they were trying to help us if they did not make a mess and

2760
04:22:58,650 --> 04:23:02,310
mess it up the first time we wouldn't need help to begin with.

2761
04:23:16,500 --> 04:23:16,720
They

2762
04:23:25,490 --> 04:23:36,270
had heard that there were issues with the property and some of the areas there were

2763
04:23:36,270 --> 04:23:45,810
completed with it, with the seeding and strong, and there was still a pond that the

2764
04:23:45,810 --> 04:23:51,070
remnants of the pond that was left over from the original project were there, and so

2765
04:23:51,070 --> 04:23:59,110
they went up there to close the pond and to recede and there was some grading done on the

2766
04:23:59,110 --> 04:24:06,010
property, where there's a house of the hill, where they relaxed the grade of the mill so

2767
04:24:06,010 --> 04:24:14,130
it wasn't extreme, and through that process, we saw that they were doing that, and so

2768
04:24:14,130 --> 04:24:20,110
our environmental inspector went and investigated it, and what they were doing was actually

2769
04:24:20,110 --> 04:24:28,090
less than what a new permit would be required for a land disturbance, because it was less

2770
04:24:28,090 --> 04:24:37,470
in the 10,000 square feet, and it was determined that what they were doing would be of more

2771
04:24:37,470 --> 04:24:44,390
help than hurt for anything, because they actually did receive an install area, and it

2772
04:24:44,390 --> 04:24:54,630
has established grass now, and the property is actually secured more than it was before.

2773
04:24:55,430 --> 04:25:04,510
Which is this the developer who is that the owner of the property of who is they I'm I'm not sure if it's an aim off top of my head actually

2774
04:25:05,070 --> 04:25:08,750
He is a well- I call the property very building was

2775
04:25:12,090 --> 04:25:15,090
Not of Camden Village if he build the house

2776
04:25:16,490 --> 04:25:18,090
He built their house

2777
04:25:21,100 --> 04:25:26,740
are they also going to rip right the ditch is coming down that's fairly steep and blind going into it

2778
04:25:26,740 --> 04:25:32,680
blow the water down from them to the extent that they've done it is all that we expect

2779
04:25:32,680 --> 04:25:33,740
they're going to do.

2780
04:25:35,520 --> 04:25:38,000
The huge vector to help the water switch away.

2781
04:25:39,140 --> 04:25:45,760
I don't expect that there's much that they could do to help it very much from that property.

2782
04:25:47,480 --> 04:25:53,900
While it does contribute to the water flow into there, there's not much that they could do

2783
04:25:53,900 --> 04:25:58,340
that would actually help the trans-property.

2784
04:25:58,560 --> 04:26:00,520
I believe that, with the daystand,

2785
04:26:00,620 --> 04:26:02,320
they would have been required to put a retention

2786
04:26:02,320 --> 04:26:04,800
fine there, right, and bleed it out slowly.

2787
04:26:05,520 --> 04:26:08,880
And if we're run out to the main road to prevent it from increasing

2788
04:26:08,880 --> 04:26:16,960
volume, they wouldn't be required to reduce the volume

2789
04:26:16,960 --> 04:26:23,460
from what has already come and down, only to avoid increasing

2790
04:26:23,460 --> 04:26:24,420
I

2791
04:26:28,840 --> 04:26:30,920
have a question you talked about.

2792
04:26:31,180 --> 04:26:33,900
I've given mine to have a citizen.

2793
04:26:34,400 --> 04:26:38,700
I remember years ago, sitting right out there,

2794
04:26:39,760 --> 04:26:45,180
and I think it was a side of the vision where we split the difference.

2795
04:26:46,900 --> 04:26:48,260
How do we get how do we do that?

2796
04:26:49,240 --> 04:26:53,760
You may be like split the difference for a road improvement project.

2797
04:26:54,420 --> 04:27:08,400
There's a specific statutory program for that, it's set up in state law, and some people call it the rule editions program, and so that's a program that's established by state law.

2798
04:27:08,400 --> 04:27:21,060
And you're saying that, basically, we're immune from everything, and even though if it's possible, I don't know what I said earlier.

2799
04:27:21,960 --> 04:27:23,100
That's what we're saying.

2800
04:27:23,580 --> 04:27:27,280
Very much what she said, no matter what you do, you're not a fault.

2801
04:27:28,100 --> 04:27:29,340
I apologize to my mom.

2802
04:27:30,380 --> 04:27:31,360
That's the thing.

2803
04:27:31,640 --> 04:27:34,000
When I be sitting at the bar, I can demo the debt right.

2804
04:27:35,380 --> 04:27:37,460
They know way the debt right.

2805
04:27:39,590 --> 04:27:44,750
I think the way you said that, we would be saying no, I think it takes just court and so

2806
04:27:44,750 --> 04:27:49,510
us, and possibly not get too many there, or we'd give them the money, and then it's

2807
04:27:49,510 --> 04:27:53,550
filed to the higher-ups, and come back and say no, you can't do that, and I'll come to

2808
04:27:53,550 --> 04:27:58,490
smack our hand and take the money back. They're right. So it's a catch 22 either way we give.

2809
04:27:59,270 --> 04:28:04,900
Well, if the board were to give the money, then at a court where the lighter site was

2810
04:28:04,900 --> 04:28:11,840
appropriate than the county would be obligated to do to sue the trance and try to get the money back.

2811
04:28:12,680 --> 04:28:19,340
Well, but if we went to court and over you all did agree to it, and we kept the money in some kind

2812
04:28:19,340 --> 04:28:25,240
of limbo until the court decided it's a third party for third party opinion about it.

2813
04:28:30,270 --> 04:28:33,310
How does that work?

2814
04:28:40,370 --> 04:28:48,160
Well, the board could take action and make a decision,

2815
04:28:48,160 --> 04:28:55,420
as far as the money goes and not pay the money just make its decision and then I would go through

2816
04:28:55,420 --> 04:29:01,880
the process of asking the Attorney General's Office for what opinion and that opinion would

2817
04:29:01,880 --> 04:29:07,940
be returned to the board and then having that opinion the board could decide whether to disperse

2818
04:29:07,940 --> 04:29:08,900
the funds.

2819
04:29:12,740 --> 04:29:14,480
But it's still in the pain.

2820
04:29:17,870 --> 04:29:19,250
That's a consideration of the pain.

2821
04:29:26,700 --> 04:29:31,160
When this was issued, that was 07.09.

2822
04:29:32,220 --> 04:29:32,940
The rehearsal permit.

2823
04:29:35,570 --> 04:29:37,790
It was given for me that was issued, and I'll say that.

2824
04:29:37,930 --> 04:29:39,010
That's what this letter says.

2825
04:29:39,890 --> 04:29:42,810
When we issued building permits, do we?

2826
04:29:42,870 --> 04:29:47,650
This question may be to you if you know about 07.

2827
04:29:49,210 --> 04:29:59,750
Does the county, or did the county evaluate run off water impact on whether I, on issuing a building?

2828
04:30:00,990 --> 04:30:25,690
We would not have the authority to do so. The only case where we would have the authority to determine whether or not the house could be there or what height it would have to be at if it was there or what have you would be as if it was in a flood zone. And that hasn't changed to this date. We just wouldn't have the authority to tell them they couldn't build their house there.

2829
04:30:25,690 --> 04:30:34,890
Okay. And from that, I question whether we're even in a position that we have a righteous

2830
04:30:34,890 --> 04:30:40,510
obligation here, because if we didn't evaluate whether or not it would say if we simply

2831
04:30:40,510 --> 04:30:46,470
issue the permit to somewhat allowing them to build a house and inspect it as to whether

2832
04:30:46,470 --> 04:30:52,310
it was built according to code, then this wouldn't have been an issue that we necessarily

2833
04:31:22,430 --> 04:31:31,210
from 186 acres of drainage. That's good. The subdivisions only 15% of that, so, well, you know,

2834
04:31:31,210 --> 04:31:37,670
they refer to words like, you know, a negligible increase. Again, I'm not convinced that it's

2835
04:31:37,670 --> 04:31:42,750
our fault that, you know, the house is built in a place that's

2836
04:31:45,310 --> 04:31:46,810
inappropriate based on, on

2837
04:31:46,810 --> 04:31:52,790
Rothwater, or that it was necessarily the akin villages. Well, clearly that would have increased

2838
04:31:52,790 --> 04:31:57,870
It's some I think they still would have had five inches of life instead of six inches.

2839
04:31:58,070 --> 04:32:01,790
You ever wonder what would happen with that and then it's so division up there, put up there?

2840
04:32:02,790 --> 04:32:03,770
Because the name has any problems.

2841
04:32:03,810 --> 04:32:08,630
I don't think any problems, still division up there.

2842
04:32:10,290 --> 04:32:12,750
It's fortunate not that I wouldn't have had a motive and then it's so division up there.

2843
04:32:12,750 --> 04:32:14,290
So they started that so division up there.

2844
04:32:15,510 --> 04:32:16,950
You don't get mad from farmlands.

2845
04:32:17,230 --> 04:32:17,910
I mean, that's better.

2846
04:32:18,130 --> 04:32:19,690
That's where the mud came from.

2847
04:32:20,190 --> 04:32:21,630
The subdivision being built.

2848
04:32:21,630 --> 04:32:29,270
That was the only lens that around there that was raw at the time that the first floor was the cart was that way and right there

2849
04:32:29,270 --> 04:32:34,730
And I find it funny that they fell bankruptcy two days after and then the county releases the bond

2850
04:32:35,510 --> 04:32:37,990
That bond like she said get it went toward us

2851
04:32:41,580 --> 04:32:43,200
I think it's good to thought

2852
04:32:44,560 --> 04:32:45,080
I'm sure

2853
04:32:45,080 --> 04:32:53,020
No, it's page two thirty seven of year of hacking of seven thousand six hundred and twenty three dollars

2854
04:32:54,380 --> 04:33:04,360
I have a question but I read through this and listen to the testimony and when you

2855
04:33:04,360 --> 04:33:09,780
all first looked at this piece of property, I wanted to set your house on a different

2856
04:33:09,780 --> 04:33:10,400
part.

2857
04:33:10,980 --> 04:33:11,620
Yes sir.

2858
04:33:11,760 --> 04:33:12,140
Okay.

2859
04:33:12,760 --> 04:33:18,980
Who told you that you couldn't build a diary that the property didn't park or that the

2860
04:33:20,640 --> 04:33:28,280
the city system wouldn't park where my house is sitting so I had to sit the house there

2861
04:33:28,280 --> 04:33:35,060
and put the septic behind it. So the time you put the septic where it is and I have to be so much

2862
04:33:35,060 --> 04:33:40,100
pretty jalfa road and so much pretty jalfa property boundaries that's on the place the house can sit.

2863
04:33:41,040 --> 04:33:44,200
And this was through the help department told you that it wouldn't happen.

2864
04:33:44,200 --> 04:33:45,420
wasn't to pay for it.

2865
04:33:49,480 --> 04:33:50,440
Thank you.

2866
04:33:50,640 --> 04:33:52,240
Hello Mr. Chief.

2867
04:33:52,560 --> 04:33:57,820
They told you that the subject system needed to be up the hill for a door properly.

2868
04:33:58,100 --> 04:33:58,600
Yes sir.

2869
04:33:59,200 --> 04:34:00,760
Does your subject system work properly?

2870
04:34:01,780 --> 04:34:02,260
Yes sir.

2871
04:34:02,260 --> 04:34:03,220
Yeah, I tell you I've flooded.

2872
04:34:03,940 --> 04:34:07,940
I mean, you know, like the way the pump works is once that thing feels, it says also long.

2873
04:34:08,160 --> 04:34:09,980
It won't pump until it actually drains out.

2874
04:34:09,980 --> 04:34:14,240
But yeah, I mean, as far as I've ever been used, it works fine. Yes, it is.

2875
04:34:14,980 --> 04:34:17,940
No, but when I came in, I didn't get up.

2876
04:34:18,760 --> 04:34:19,780
Um, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

2877
04:34:19,900 --> 04:34:24,980
When I came in the night, it was called I was a lion, it was my neighbor, and he was out of town.

2878
04:34:25,280 --> 04:34:28,540
It was alarming, and we like to have never got the alarm, the answer.

2879
04:34:28,580 --> 04:34:32,600
The way it works is, um, which I'm McCall, I'm not a bit lazy.

2880
04:34:33,900 --> 04:34:36,660
I've spot out back, uh, a hold and tank.

2881
04:34:36,660 --> 04:34:40,180
Once that fills up, then it pumps through the field lines.

2882
04:34:40,800 --> 04:34:45,740
When the water comes through, once it's flooded, it's fixed into that, so it fills it up and in a long.

2883
04:34:46,020 --> 04:34:52,820
You said it won't work until the long clear, so you can pass this at there and let it manually drain out over time.

2884
04:34:53,080 --> 04:34:55,120
The last flood, it took three days.

2885
04:34:57,080 --> 04:35:01,820
I had to go to the neighbors to take a shower that night, but because I was covered in mud from trying to wake them up.

2886
04:35:01,820 --> 04:35:09,820
I mean, it's more than inconvenience, I mean, it is, I've got a seven year old kid that's got asthma in my life as asthma.

2887
04:35:11,600 --> 04:35:14,980
It's a past year to put yourself in my spot.

2888
04:35:17,640 --> 04:35:21,160
How many more times do we do is to look for the mold dates over and we lose everything?

2889
04:35:22,520 --> 04:35:24,540
I mean, this is what we have.

2890
04:35:25,420 --> 04:35:26,240
We work hard.

2891
04:35:27,840 --> 04:35:37,280
So I mean, you know, if it's not within a county to show compassion and sympathy, then you're all sitting in a room of chairs, of course.

2892
04:35:48,270 --> 04:35:52,690
I would appreciate it yes or no, so we need to know which, which way we got to go.

2893
04:35:55,960 --> 04:35:57,660
We've been here three or four times already.

2894
04:35:57,840 --> 04:35:59,480
We've been here three times over this one.

2895
04:36:00,300 --> 04:36:03,780
We've let it go before for the last four years.

2896
04:36:04,200 --> 04:36:06,720
And now, day you were not given up on it.

2897
04:36:07,240 --> 04:36:09,480
We ain't given up this time, we don't plan on giving up.

2898
04:36:16,330 --> 04:36:31,070
I would like to make a motion that we do that as a request of 50,000 if they sign a agreement that they, if it's more than that, you know, they won't come back and we will agree to that only.

2899
04:36:33,190 --> 04:36:42,230
We will even, if you, I will agree that I will even go a step further and if it takes 45, I'll return the other five.

2900
04:36:42,230 --> 04:36:44,950
I do not want any more money than it takes to take it.

2901
04:36:44,950 --> 04:36:47,310
It's always long. It's our home fixed.

2902
04:36:48,550 --> 04:36:52,970
If we can do it for 37 and y'all can have whatever's left, we just make it fixed.

2903
04:36:53,390 --> 04:36:56,950
And for all of the ingredients that steps is a board to help us decide who doesn't.

2904
04:36:57,010 --> 04:37:01,250
If they want to get estimates that are more conducive for this, I don't care.

2905
04:37:01,890 --> 04:37:09,410
We are just desperate to find an answer and find a way to say what we've got and what we've worked hard for.

2906
04:37:10,810 --> 04:37:20,510
And then that's my understanding, and if I understand right now, the board approves, then it has

2907
04:37:20,510 --> 04:37:24,930
miss fields, we'll have to go get a thing from the 32nd, which I correct,

2908
04:37:33,650 --> 04:37:34,090
and we can't.

2909
04:37:41,240 --> 04:37:41,940
Of course, if

2910
04:37:48,020 --> 04:37:54,480
we can't do anything, he'll spring anyway, because the house is going to be, would have to be winner.

2911
04:37:54,480 --> 04:38:00,840
We're not going to be in that house for a good month, we're going to have to find places to live.

2912
04:38:01,200 --> 04:38:03,100
This is not going to be easy for us to eat.

2913
04:38:04,380 --> 04:38:09,160
I mean, it'll be spring before this can be really starting to do anything anyway.

2914
04:38:09,680 --> 04:38:14,660
That would give time to make a decision for a higher up to the side.

2915
04:38:16,300 --> 04:38:21,900
I have a general question, and then the fact director of this, but the estimates I see here are

2916
04:38:21,900 --> 04:38:24,660
for raising the house up on stills.

2917
04:38:25,380 --> 04:38:27,560
I'm going to be having flooding through your landscaping.

2918
04:38:27,860 --> 04:38:31,840
You'd still have presumably mud on your house, just as you'd be able farther away from.

2919
04:38:33,160 --> 04:38:34,920
I'm trying to find some place where I can.

2920
04:38:35,340 --> 04:38:40,740
I get the mud and I build the water now through my vence.

2921
04:38:40,740 --> 04:38:45,020
the fresh air vents in the cross space, that's more of where it comes in at it, dumps in.

2922
04:38:45,640 --> 04:38:52,180
Our plan is to, when we raise the house with raising it enough to go far more block, and

2923
04:38:52,180 --> 04:38:57,340
then we will take out the cross space entrance, which is on the back of the house, and the

2924
04:38:57,340 --> 04:38:59,200
vents on the back of the house.

2925
04:38:59,580 --> 04:39:04,060
The cross space entrance we moved to the front, where no water has ever come in, so if anything

2926
04:39:04,060 --> 04:39:08,620
does, hit the house, it'll be a much bigger ground hit, because once we raise it, we'll

2927
04:39:08,620 --> 04:39:13,480
dirty and on the backside as well to divert ever saying back into the shot.

2928
04:39:14,060 --> 04:39:22,420
Be behind that for one come through the vans, but the area is still flooded by 186 acres of

2929
04:39:22,420 --> 04:39:27,740
runoff. Have you gotten an estimate of moving the house somewhere?

2930
04:39:27,840 --> 04:39:33,180
I've got nowhere to move it to. I mean if I had to buy another lot and now we're talking

2931
04:39:33,180 --> 04:39:41,240
another $50,000. It's I can't move it because my sewer is on the back. I mean there's

2932
04:39:41,240 --> 04:39:45,840
somewhere on my lock and I move it too. I mean if that's what you're asking, I mean

2933
04:39:45,840 --> 04:39:51,900
I'd have to have more land to invest in that. There's a really house once in the other

2934
04:39:51,900 --> 04:39:57,220
soul the land to the Sam's and so they came in and put the house up on wheels and yeah.

2935
04:39:57,220 --> 04:40:00,900
And the guy that we have got a nest in the forest, that's what he got is.

2936
04:40:00,900 --> 04:40:04,520
He puts the historical houses.

2937
04:40:07,450 --> 04:40:09,270
I'm just writing a word of music too.

2938
04:40:09,430 --> 04:40:11,070
If I did, I would be great.

2939
04:40:11,270 --> 04:40:14,030
I would love to, and do the way with the whole problem all together.

2940
04:40:15,250 --> 04:40:17,130
But, you know, I mean, I mean, I'm either stuck, you know,

2941
04:40:17,230 --> 04:40:21,530
buying more land or building what we're doing here, you know.

2942
04:40:21,530 --> 04:40:22,170
What does this mean?

2943
04:40:22,450 --> 04:40:23,050
It's just kind of...

2944
04:40:23,050 --> 04:40:24,590
Yeah, I mean, I understand, you know.

2945
04:40:25,450 --> 04:40:28,930
The whole plan is, once we get everything done,

2946
04:40:28,930 --> 04:40:35,010
is we can have a big and a set pump put in. But the whole reason of raising the house is to

2947
04:40:35,010 --> 04:40:42,890
get my insulation, my lents, my serv floor, away from water, so I don't get mold. If I get four

2948
04:40:42,890 --> 04:40:47,810
five inches of water and I've got six foot under there, I can pump it without a worry. It's not

2949
04:40:47,810 --> 04:40:53,550
hitting my serv floor. I mean once I get mold on the serv floor, we're done. I mean you're talking

2950
04:40:53,550 --> 04:40:56,990
not the floor in the cell floor and had a cell-by-be-old near-thing else.

2951
04:40:56,990 --> 04:40:57,890
He knows what this is.

2952
04:40:58,730 --> 04:40:59,350
What's condemned?

2953
04:40:59,410 --> 04:41:00,970
Once you get black-mode, you're condemned.

2954
04:41:01,430 --> 04:41:02,630
And if it's...

2955
04:41:02,630 --> 04:41:03,870
Or we're stuck, but we're at.

2956
04:41:04,270 --> 04:41:05,110
You can't sell it.

2957
04:41:05,410 --> 04:41:06,470
Because he was gonna buy it.

2958
04:41:09,890 --> 04:41:11,450
And we're just trying to make a bad situation.

2959
04:41:11,830 --> 04:41:12,230
But it's

2960
04:41:14,370 --> 04:41:14,590
something.

2961
04:41:14,770 --> 04:41:16,690
You'll be raised in the house about 40 inches, right?

2962
04:41:17,110 --> 04:41:17,770
8 inches long.

2963
04:41:18,010 --> 04:41:18,690
Yes, sir.

2964
04:41:20,550 --> 04:41:20,970
I'll rent.

2965
04:41:32,500 --> 04:41:33,380
I won't say a mission.

2966
04:41:33,620 --> 04:41:34,080
It's a mission.

2967
04:41:38,740 --> 04:41:39,600
And we have a motion.

2968
04:41:39,880 --> 04:41:40,180
It's a mission.

2969
04:41:40,400 --> 04:41:40,480
It's a mission.

2970
04:41:40,620 --> 04:41:44,020
It's a thousand-dollar.

2971
04:41:45,980 --> 04:41:46,880
And neither problem.

2972
04:41:48,980 --> 04:41:53,720
Mr. Chairman, I would like to make just a few more comments on that.

2973
04:41:54,500 --> 04:42:02,180
I'm addition to the sovereign immunity and the Dillon rule explanation that I stated earlier,

2974
04:42:03,480 --> 04:42:10,760
there's nothing in the facts before the board that would show that the county is at fault

2975
04:42:10,760 --> 04:42:17,000
in this matter. I feel terrible for the trance and I hate the situation there. I know it sounds

2976
04:42:17,000 --> 04:42:24,220
cold to be saying this, but as Dr. Baker alluded to earlier, the county was not the responsible

2977
04:42:24,220 --> 04:42:32,420
party to say where the house had to go on the property. Nor was the county the party that chose

2978
04:42:32,420 --> 04:42:37,740
a lot with a blue line stream going across it for construction of the home.

2979
04:42:40,020 --> 04:42:41,700
The county

2980
04:42:41,700 --> 04:42:48,120
responsibility, the county did building inspections to see if the house was constructed

2981
04:42:48,120 --> 04:42:55,960
properly and if the house had been on any other lot, there was no, well even on that

2982
04:42:55,960 --> 04:43:01,540
lot, there's no problems with the construction of the house. It was in the selection of

2983
04:43:01,540 --> 04:43:08,120
lot in the location on that particular parcel that is causing the problems.

2984
04:43:08,800 --> 04:43:14,520
We have letter from a Morton Thomas that says that there's drainage issues through that

2985
04:43:14,520 --> 04:43:25,740
area, I'm completely independent of the construction at Camden Village, had I'm the

2986
04:43:25,740 --> 04:43:49,480
One red, which is last name with Bill, with V dot, come in and explain after looking at the road situation there that there's a amount of tremendous amount of surface water drainage down that roadway, again, having nothing to do with a Camden village or any permitting or a review done by the county or any other state agency.

2987
04:43:49,480 --> 04:43:58,200
And so again, I urge the board that the appropriate place for this matter to be decided would be in a court.

2988
04:43:58,780 --> 04:44:10,420
And if the board were to deny the permit tonight, the trance could file a lawsuit tomorrow and be that much quicker on their way to having a decision.

2989
04:44:10,420 --> 04:44:15,660
that's an absolute true decision, instead of putting the county at risk of being found

2990
04:44:15,660 --> 04:44:22,060
as board-taking illegal action, and money at the county being spent inappropriately.

2991
04:44:22,380 --> 04:44:28,560
Well, we're not going to eat illegal action until we get a ruling back from a turn to

2992
04:44:28,560 --> 04:44:30,340
general, I thought we'd say it.

2993
04:44:30,340 --> 04:44:31,660
The decision?

2994
04:44:31,660 --> 04:44:34,720
And it was identified as the decision come back and says we could do it, then we're okay.

2995
04:44:35,000 --> 04:44:36,260
It says we're not done.

2996
04:44:37,140 --> 04:44:44,260
You also had to decide to pay the money using illegal action, is my opinion, and my recommendation to the people.

2997
04:44:44,880 --> 04:44:49,920
The regardless of whether or not we're not by our own record until we get that opinion back, right?

2998
04:44:50,400 --> 04:44:56,140
Well, Mr. Smith, you made a motion to pay it. If we pass the motion, then we have our thought out.

2999
04:44:57,080 --> 04:44:59,980
I thought any team of his motion there was a second was it

3000
04:45:01,390 --> 04:45:13,190
So that the county would pay the money, but after the attorney general makes a decision, we need to make a decision that we can't pay it, and we won't.

3001
04:45:13,190 --> 04:45:17,590
It's not just a matter of when the check is cash, not what action the board has taken.

3002
04:45:19,850 --> 04:45:21,950
But check is not written, material.

3003
04:45:23,430 --> 04:45:35,550
I guess I see it as a legal because how many of you shouldn't be running around giving money to individuals, regardless of how much they need it,

3004
04:45:35,550 --> 04:45:38,790
or how, I mean, I've compassion with situation too.

3005
04:45:38,890 --> 04:45:42,350
I was we had an answer and we've done what we can't try to direct them.

3006
04:45:42,710 --> 04:45:45,390
But I also have compassion for, you know, my taxpayers

3007
04:45:45,390 --> 04:45:48,790
and the other people in the county that, you know,

3008
04:45:49,890 --> 04:45:55,170
we're taking money away from to, to use it in this situation.

3009
04:45:55,470 --> 04:45:58,150
I think it's illegal by state law for a reason.

3010
04:46:01,350 --> 04:46:09,930
Well, I don't want to sound cold with the response and I do feel compassion, but I think

3011
04:46:09,930 --> 04:46:15,630
we're opening a can of worms that will never be able to close every time that somebody

3012
04:46:15,630 --> 04:46:21,010
in this county has a problem with the house that has been approved by Bill and Inspector

3013
04:46:21,010 --> 04:46:28,710
or certain areas, what do we do then? They come back. So we got the same problem. I mean,

3014
04:46:28,710 --> 04:46:35,150
I really feel, I feel terrible for this family. I really did. I also know that there's

3015
04:46:35,150 --> 04:46:43,570
a reason that they're not doing this. And if they take it to court and they went in court,

3016
04:46:46,060 --> 04:46:50,380
they'd be great. If that's, if the court would see that. But I think for us to give out

3017
04:46:50,380 --> 04:46:57,420
money. To write a check for $50,000 for weight on an opinion is we're opening up a

3018
04:46:57,420 --> 04:47:03,300
kind of orange we'll never be able to close. I mean you just can't as much as I would

3019
04:47:03,300 --> 04:47:09,520
love to. You just can't do that from the county government. You just can't happen.

3020
04:47:10,380 --> 04:47:16,820
I don't mean no disrespect to anybody but I do want to say that when the county

3021
04:47:16,820 --> 04:47:20,560
allows subdivisions and I don't say one subdivision. I say multiple

3022
04:47:20,560 --> 04:47:26,460
subdivisions because Hamden Village and Buffalo Ponds subdivision was

3023
04:47:26,460 --> 04:47:34,140
written up numerous times for not having slow water control permits. You can't

3024
04:47:34,140 --> 04:47:38,280
write somebody up and not make them accountable for it and then let that

3025
04:47:38,280 --> 04:47:42,100
something like this happen and not think that that's not somebody's responsibility.

3026
04:47:43,180 --> 04:47:46,800
These permits you have to buy for a reason and then they don't get them

3027
04:47:46,800 --> 04:47:51,000
and then they can just get put all this water on us and then we are the ones held accountable.

3028
04:47:51,160 --> 04:47:58,320
And you have heard the subdivision not too important from DCR on my step was not even buildable to Mrs. Phillips

3029
04:47:58,320 --> 04:48:03,740
saying how do you get out of that when the DCR or whatever there was said at the end

3030
04:48:03,740 --> 04:48:09,220
last should not even be buildable, but you are counting on your separation of self-hout

3031
04:48:09,220 --> 04:48:15,300
however it goes. But if it's not buildable then how much we get a permanent

3032
04:48:15,300 --> 04:48:22,080
if our house wasn't available. How can you say my said to can't sit here, because what

3033
04:48:22,080 --> 04:48:26,920
you want to sew which won't flow, but you can sit your house here and let your family

3034
04:48:26,920 --> 04:48:31,420
and your dreams and your financial future go down the same thing.

3035
04:48:32,240 --> 04:48:35,460
Well, the health department did your safety system. County building's budget didn't have

3036
04:48:35,460 --> 04:48:36,640
anything to do with that.

3037
04:48:37,180 --> 04:48:38,700
No, but the county at all.

3038
04:48:39,020 --> 04:48:40,600
No, responsible for that.

3039
04:48:41,040 --> 04:48:43,780
But the county at all to do with the subdivisions.

3040
04:48:45,020 --> 04:48:52,340
Buffalo pond and Camden Village were Shawty subdivisions. They went back and they you

3041
04:48:52,340 --> 04:48:56,520
look at the documentation. They were Shawty subdivisions and all they did was just

3042
04:48:56,520 --> 04:48:58,640
went in there and just started brightened land.

3043
04:49:06,340 --> 04:49:09,880
I have to go to work now. I'm going to

3044
04:49:09,880 --> 04:49:11,280
do this on my own.

3045
04:49:14,670 --> 04:49:17,190
Go to motion Mr. Smith and second Mr. Gibson.

3046
04:49:20,140 --> 04:49:20,820
Go to

3047
04:49:41,330 --> 04:49:45,050
work with

3048
04:49:45,050 --> 04:49:52,530
The point, Charlie Bird, to the IDA board on her district, that

3049
04:49:56,630 --> 04:49:58,130
I should be even saying

3050
04:49:58,130 --> 04:50:04,690
what's growing, it's got to make one comment to be consistent, I'll be building against

3051
04:50:04,690 --> 04:50:10,050
it, because I laid it as, I mean, laying the day, but laid in the term, I've looked

3052
04:50:10,050 --> 04:50:14,530
in Charlie Bird, I'll have a problem with him, this is with a couple of the other very

3053
04:50:14,530 --> 04:50:24,310
I think that if you find one on the idea, and I just think within the last few weeks of a term,

3054
04:50:24,810 --> 04:50:32,310
and someone else is going to have to work with him for their almost their entire term and office,

3055
04:50:34,240 --> 04:50:37,500
I think this should be an appointment that they should be making.

3056
04:50:37,820 --> 04:50:42,460
And for consistency across the other votes I've had on this, then I'll be going against him,

3057
04:50:42,460 --> 04:50:47,580
I don't want him to think that it had anything to do with his qualifications, or I don't

3058
04:50:47,580 --> 04:50:47,900
have anything to

3059
04:50:58,010 --> 04:50:58,230
do with his qualifications, or I don't have anything to do with his

3060
04:50:58,230 --> 04:50:58,650
qualifications.

3061
04:51:00,530 --> 04:51:01,010
Mr.

3062
04:51:03,090 --> 04:51:06,370
Chairman, there was a board, Philip Sprinkle, has been recommended by the

3063
04:51:06,370 --> 04:51:11,390
Highlands Committee Services to serve, and this will be the last appointment after a series

3064
04:51:11,390 --> 04:51:15,210
of three prior appointments, if you approve his appointment.

3065
04:51:17,720 --> 04:51:19,360
I'll just prove filth for free.

3066
04:51:20,580 --> 04:51:21,540
That's it.

3067
04:51:21,740 --> 04:51:23,100
Push, push, can you come second?

3068
04:51:23,300 --> 04:51:23,620
Those drones?

3069
04:51:24,740 --> 04:51:25,260
Scursions?

3070
04:51:28,090 --> 04:51:33,210
That one, if you get, if you can get someone to take them home and challenge a bit of fruit.

3071
04:51:33,590 --> 04:51:34,270
Those are hard.

3072
04:51:34,610 --> 04:51:35,130
What are they saying?

3073
04:51:40,860 --> 04:51:42,060
Any further scutting?

3074
04:51:42,400 --> 04:51:42,840
Let's go.

3075
04:51:42,960 --> 04:51:43,880
How's this a toilet spot?

3076
04:51:44,100 --> 04:51:45,300
I'll inflate your hand.

3077
04:51:46,760 --> 04:51:47,680
Seven, no.

3078
04:51:48,000 --> 04:51:48,720
That's a towel.

3079
04:51:49,020 --> 04:51:49,720
I'll give you.

3080
04:51:49,740 --> 04:51:49,940
I'll give you.

3081
04:51:50,140 --> 04:51:50,980
I'll give you.

3082
04:51:50,980 --> 04:51:53,980
Do any board members have anything they want to say tonight?

3083
04:52:00,570 --> 04:52:02,590
It's more of a labor of poverty.

3084
04:52:02,950 --> 04:52:07,270
Now, I want to thank Mr. O'Gones and Berners Smith for their service.

3085
04:52:12,740 --> 04:52:17,040
This is also as if having to be at W on sign on the 15th.

3086
04:52:17,180 --> 04:52:18,020
It's a sign sign.

3087
04:52:18,420 --> 04:52:18,980
Sunday. What time?

3088
04:52:19,120 --> 04:52:19,700
Good morning.

3089
04:52:20,000 --> 04:52:21,380
Two o'clock. I'm going to try to get out of there.

3090
04:52:21,640 --> 04:52:22,720
I don't know what.

3091
04:52:23,180 --> 04:52:23,540
Just a bit.

3092
04:52:24,400 --> 04:52:24,820
Good morning.

3093
04:52:25,460 --> 04:52:32,380
Chairman, Jason, is handing out your completed financial disclosure form, your statement

3094
04:52:32,380 --> 04:52:37,540
of economic interests for you to review, and if there's any corrections that need to be

3095
04:52:37,540 --> 04:52:43,580
made, please let either me or the Genderson know about it, and if not, then please sign

3096
04:52:43,580 --> 04:52:45,100
it and turn it on.

3097
04:52:46,100 --> 04:52:51,660
I know I need to come and talk to make a couple of changes to like on my own journey.

3098
04:52:59,750 --> 04:53:00,810
Not this hour.

3099
04:53:01,290 --> 04:53:02,970
Motion to adjourn.

3100
04:53:03,430 --> 04:53:03,910
Safe.