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Good afternoon, evening. Good evening, everyone. Welcome to the Board of

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Commissioners August 6, 2005 meeting. The first thing we do at this meeting is rise for the

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Pledge of Allegiance.

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So I added, I added some words. Ashlyn, could you call the roll?

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Commissioner Beaman. Present. Commissioner Hawke. Here. Commissioner Labar. Here. Commissioner

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Mike.

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That's it.

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Commissioner Masiasky.

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Commissioner Robbie.

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That's not here.

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Commissioner Sanders.

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For the moment.

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Commissioner Scott.

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I'm here.

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Commissioner Sanchez.

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I'm here.

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Great.

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We're all here.

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Usually at this time, we do public participation.

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Not to stymie anybody, but I'm just going to start this

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evening with a few of our honorary resolutions we have.

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have. So the people who are here to receive those can go home. So the first person I'd

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like to go to the podium to present is Commissioner Justin Hodge.

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All right. Well, this is a big one. So we've talked about it a little bit over the last

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few meetings. We have a resolution recognizing Hazel Sanders and Michigan Community Actions

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Volunteer of the Year. Want to come on up? Come on up. Come on everybody. OCD team.

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Thanks

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for making it.

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I'm going to read it now.

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All right.

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Whereas Hazel Sanders has served as a foster grandparent in Washtenaw County since September

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1st, 2005, marking nearly 20 years of unwavering commitment and approximately 20,000 hours

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of volunteer service to the children and schools of our community.

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And whereas Hazel has dedicated her service to supporting some of the most under-resourced

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and high-need schools in Washtenaw County, offering not only academic guidance and

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and reading and math to children with exceptional needs,

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but also social and emotional support

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to help students navigate the complexities

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of childhood and school life.

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And whereas throughout her tenure,

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Hazel has provided individualized support

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through dedicated work plans to over 65 children

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and has lovingly served as the classroom grandma

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to more than 450 students,

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nurturing generations with kindness,

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compassion and wisdom.

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Whereas Hazel Sanders is the oldest volunteer

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in the Washtenaw County Foster Grandparent Program and yet among the most energetic and dependable,

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driving herself to school each day, arriving on time, dressing professionally,

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taking on summer assignments, and participating in every training offered.

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Wow. And whereas Hazel was beloved for her gentle spirit,

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joyful presence, and wholehearted dedication to each child she serves,

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arriving each day with her own cart of handmade flashcards, happy stickers,

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and an ever-present willingness to say,

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I'll do what I can,

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even in the face of challenging circumstances.

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And whereas Hazel's outstanding contributions

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have touched not only students,

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but also teachers, staff, and the broader school community,

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serving as a shining example

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of the intergenerational service and civic purpose.

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And whereas, in recognition of her extraordinary impact

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and tireless volunteerism,

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Hazel Sanders has been named Volunteer of the Year

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by Michigan Community Action,

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a well-deserved honor that reflects

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the immeasurable difference she has made across Washtenaw County and beyond.

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Now therefore be resolved that the Washtenaw County Board of Commissioners

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does hereby congratulate and honor Hazel Sanders for her dedicated service,

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her compassionate spirit, and her well-earned recognition as Michigan Community Actions

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Volunteer of the Year. Thank you so much, Hazel.

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Please would like to say anything? Go ahead.

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Thanks to everyone. It's been a joy, though, to serve and be with all the children,

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my goal is to help them to be whatever they can't want to be and I tell them

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that they can be whatever you want to be. You can have a goal and go for it.

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you for having us here today and for recognizing how important it is to

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have our foster grandparents continue in our community serving children and

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and have our programs serve our older adults.

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So thank you very much.

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I believe we have won the statewide Washtenaw County

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volunteer of the year two years in a row now, right?

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Yeah, okay.

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So thank you for making us win two years in a row.

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I don't know if other counties win multiple years in a row,

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but Hazel made it happen here.

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So thank you.

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Oh, and also Foster Graham here program,

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one of those programs I'd love to see us use

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some older adults' millage dollars for it

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to make even stronger.

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So I mean, we could keep the reign

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of number one volunteer and watch that coming.

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There you go.

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I'm not crying.

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You're crying.

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That was amazing.

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Thank you.

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Next commissioner with a resolution for us is commissioner Yusuf Ravi.

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Thank you.

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And I would ask anybody that's here for Gwen to just come on up to the

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I know we have several people that have come to support Gwen's, you know, resolution and honor her

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life today. So please just come on up, stand behind me. Wow, there's a lot of people. I realize there

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were so many people. That's great.

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So I'm actually not going to read the resolution. I can read the

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last, therefore be it resolved, but I kind of just want to speak from the heart today. And

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And it's so great to see so many people here that, you know, we're part of Gwen's life

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and her activism.

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And for those of you that don't know about Gwen, nice tune, I said that right.

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Gwen was an amazing person and it had amazing impact on our state and our community and

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as somebody who will be sorely missed.

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When I first learned about Gwen's passing, I was pretty devastated, not just as somebody

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who had known her for many years, but as somebody who cares about the issues that she was passionate

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about.

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For those of you that don't know, Gwen and John lived in a beautiful home in Burns Park,

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filled with frogs.

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And I remember being over to their house several times and seeing, like when I say

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filled with frogs, I mean like there's frogs everywhere.

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everywhere. Their plates had frogs on them. Their Christmas tree had frog ornaments. They

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were frog statues, frogs everywhere. It was actually quite incredible. I didn't realize

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that frogs existed on so many things, but that was, you know, to me, part of what made

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the relationship and the experience and them as people stand out so much. But what stands

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out even more as a community is remembering and reflecting on both the work that both Gwen and John

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did. At their core, they were people that cared about our planet. They cared about the earth and

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the people that live on it. Gwen was instrumental in working to expand the role of the Michigan

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Sierra Club. And I am now in addition to my role here, I volunteer as the chair of the

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Michigan Sierra Club. Gwen was instrumental in helping to, and so was John, in helping

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to expand the work that the Sierra Club does in the state of Michigan. Instrumental in

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fighting for, you know, environmental justice and instrumental in fighting for preservation

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of lands and making sure that we have clean air and clean water. These were all central

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to who both of them were as people.

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Just as importantly, these were two people

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that were a part of the Ann Arbor community for a very, very long time and made a mark

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on, as you can tell, so many different people who they brought in with love, care, and compassion.

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And from the very first time that I met Gwen, and I saw her smile, that stays with me

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even to this day.

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And no matter where I go in the world, when I'm doing environmental work, when I'm fighting for the people,

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I will remember the warmth of Gwen, her handshake, her hug, and her smile.

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Because I know that those were things that came from a place that was from a deep genuine place that you don't often see.

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But for her, it beamed through her eyes, her smile, her very existence.

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And it was a light for all of us that lifted everybody that you see behind that was inspired to come out today that lifted everybody that met her, and she was not loud like I am she didn't you know get up and give a bunch of speeches, but she was, she had a quiet way of inspiring and motivating and pushing and prodding her

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change in her every day in her every action in her every waking moment all

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the way until the day that she passed away and so I want to take a moment just

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to honor her life and I also want to honor John's life as well who passed

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before her with the last therefore be it resolved which says now therefore be

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it resolved that the Washtenaw County Board of Commissioners hereby honors

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and celebrates the life of Gwen Nicetune expressing deepest gratitude for her six decades of service,

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her unyielding dedication to preserving Michigan's precious natural heritage,

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and her embodiment of civic responsibility and environmental justice.

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So I'm going to present this tribute to the family, and I believe for Son-in-law,

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I would like to say a few words, and her daughter is here as well. So.

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I just wanted to say one frog necklace and I just want to say trees can't vote and they

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should and my mother I think spoke up for them and my dad and I want to thank you for recognizing

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her efforts.

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Most of the people standing behind me know the dining room that was just described.

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And when you come into the dining room, it's not ostentatious.

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And indeed, you can sit at that table for a while until you notice the first frog,

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which might be the centerpiece, and then the second frog, which could be the chandelier,

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Or the third one, which is the pattern on the wallpaper, or the fourth, or the fifth, or there was a point where we were going to have a raffle to see if people were willing to guess how many frogs there were in the house.

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But then we couldn't quite decide how to count them.

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That's the experience you have sitting in that dining room.

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But that was not Gwen's experience.

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Her experience was actually to pull on a pair of waiters, go out in the middle of the pond.

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and start by seeing nothing at all on a on a dark night and we would we would

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see her out there and wonder well when is she coming back we check on her 20

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minutes later she'd be in exactly the same position like a statue herself just

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listening and watching she would come back after a couple of hours when she

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had seen all the frogs in the pond on a dark night it takes that kind of

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patients to appreciate the details and the confluence of features and factors of life.

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And I think that's part of what made her, it gave her the strength to speak politically.

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So she was engaged in politics her entire life, but she was never sarcastic and never

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cynical.

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Now, who among you can say that?

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Sarcasm and cynicism, it's the coin of the realm in politics these days, but not for her, not at all.

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And as you contemplate your credentials as an environmentalist, and I'm sure you all feel you are environmentalists

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on some level or other, please don't forget to go out and get those waiters.

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And, you know, rather than say voting on or approving massive infrastructure projects that required hundreds of tons of concrete and steel and glass,

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but just one pair of waiters and an evening in a frog pond, and I think you'll find that you're a better environmentalist for that.

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Thank you.

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Let's take a group picture.

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Let's take a group picture. Everybody come this way if you could. Oh, let's go in the hallway. Yeah, let's go in the hallway and do it that way.

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We can do the next one. Thank you all.

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That's a lot of poetry so far. I feel like we've had at the county commission tonight. So I'm the next commissioner presenting the next resolution.

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And this resolution is a resolution honoring Jennifer McCool for over two decades of service to Washtenaw County

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and congratulating her on her retirement from the Washtenaw County Clerk Register of Deeds Office.

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Yes.

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Come on up with me.

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Here you come.

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Oh, here you come.

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All right.

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I'm going to read this to you.

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Whereas Jennifer McCool is dedicated over two, cool?

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Where Jennifer McCool has dedicated over two decades of service to Washtenaw County in the Clerk Register of Deeds

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office, providing support for all aspects of the office, and contributing to the success

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and mission of the Washtenaw County Clerk Register of Deeds Office, no small thing by

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the way, and whereas Ms. McCool has been immensely valued for her work ethic, commitment

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to a high standard of excellence in exactness and maintaining the records of the Clerk

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Register of Deeds Office, and whereas Ms. McCool began her career with the Washtenaw

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County Clerk Register of Deeds Office in 1997 and returned in 2003 and whereas Ms. McCool

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became a Senior Clerk Register Analyst in 2010 and a Program Manager in 2012, whereas

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throughout her career she has remained dedicated to efficiency, the Detroit Lions, good governance,

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the Detroit Tigers, and to customer service, and whereas Ms. McCool will be sorely missed

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by her colleagues in the department and the county.

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Now therefore be it resolved that the Washtenaw County Board of Commissioners hereby expresses

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its deepest gratitude to Jennifer McCool for her exemplary service to Washtenaw County

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and congratulates her on a well-deserved retirement.

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Thank

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you.

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I'm honored.

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I'm the worst public speaker in the history of anyone.

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but I did. I started in 97 and then I left and had my children and yeah they

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were they were babies and Catherine was three and the county you know I went

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through buying houses and you know soccer game all of it and so my whole life I

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grew up here too so I just want to thank everyone this is quite an honor thank

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I don't even look at my retirement date, so congratulations once again.

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And now I'm going to have Commissioner Sanders and Commissioner Light present the last honorary

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resolution for this evening.

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Hey, y'all.

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How y'all doing today?

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We're back.

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Seems like we haven't been here in a month of Sundays.

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Today, Commissioner Sanders and I will bring forth a resolution recognizing and celebrating

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the 10-year anniversary of the summer works program for Michigan Works Southeast.

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So we will start.

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Is there someone from Michigan Works here today?

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Come on up.

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You can represent because you all have been going strong the whole team.

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The resolution states, whereas the Washtenaw County summer works program was launched in 2016 through an initial partnership between the Washtenaw County Sheriff's Office, Michigan Works Southeast, and the Washtenaw County Office of Community and Economic Development,

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and has since grown to include University of Michigan,

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Michigan Rehabilitation Services,

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the Washtenaw Intermediate School District,

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Washtenaw Alliance for Children and Youth,

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and the Ann Arbor Area Chamber of Converts.

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And whereas Summer Works matches young adults ages 16 to 24

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living or attending school in Washtenaw County

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with a 10-week paid internship and mentorship opportunities

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through local employers and organizations, and whereas over the past decade, SummerWorks has

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placed more than 600 youth in internships with 143 participants engaged in 2024 alone

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through placements with 59 employees earning wages from 15 to 17 dollars an hour.

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That's

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As the core mission of SummerWorks is to build relationships between you, local employers

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and the border, Washtenaw County community in order to promote equity through youth empowerment,

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professional growth and workforce development.

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And whereas the program's vision includes ensuring that all young adults, regardless

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of background or economic situation, can I repeat that part?

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Regardless of background or economic situation, have access to career building opportunities,

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supportive mentorship, and professional networks in Washtenaw County.

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And whereas summer works offers structured professional development such as resume and cover letter training,

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career exploration modules, and mentorship matching, preparing you to begin their careers with confidence.

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and whereas summer works has emerged as a community pillar

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fostering diverse partnerships

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and supporting workforce equity in Washtenaw County

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over its 10 years of operations.

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Now therefore it be resolved that the Washtenaw County

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Board of Commissioners hereby recognizes

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and celebrates the 10th anniversary of summer works

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and commends the County University Employer Mentor

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and community partners whose collective engagement over the past decade has enabled this transformational

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youth employment program. Be it further resolved that the board thanks the program staff and

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youth participants who have shaped summer works with their energy, ambition, and commitment

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to the community.

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Thank you for this recognition for summer works. I'm Lauren Slogter. I'm with the

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Team of Poverty Solutions at U of M. I'm afraid I'm a poor substitute for Kathleen Clancy and

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Morgan Cox, the ones who run the summer works program and make it such a positive and meaningful

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experience for the youth in our community. But thank you for the recognition of this program

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and just, yeah, the impact that it's made over these 10 years. Appreciate it.

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Okay. Thank you, everyone, for letting us get the honorary resolutions into the hands of

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the people and families that deserve it. With that, we're going to move on to public participation.

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So if you're here this evening to speak to us as a board of commissioners, you'll

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three minutes to come to the podium, introduce yourself, your city or your

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township, where you're from for record keeping for our clerk. You have three

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minutes, the lights will correspond to your time. Green, go, good. Yellow, start

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thinking about wrapping it up. Red means it's time to stop. I will stop you

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if the light goes to red in order to try to maintain fairness for the

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room and we will not respond to public comments person by person but will hold

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our response to the end with that. Anyone here for public participation?

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Good

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evening commissioners. My name is Letitia LaMelle Sharp and I reside in

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Ypsilanti Township where Commissioner Justin Hodge is my commissioner. This

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evening I stand before you in this esteemed body in my official capacity

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as your Washtenaw County Treasurer. It is my distinct honor to introduce my newly appointed

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Chief Deputy to both this Board and to the public. I'm delighted to welcome Mr. Tyrus

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Wall Sr. to the Office of County Treasurer. Mr. Wall's began his duties on July 14,

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2025 as the Chief Deputy Treasurer. He started his career at Washtenaw County in 1999 as

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the Count Clerk in the Sheriff's Office and has since held various senior and executive

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leadership roles in finance management.

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Mr. Walz was appointed and deputized on July 17, 2025 and has hit the ground running.

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He shares my vision as a treasure for the people where our mission is to responsibly

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manage public funds, provide transparent treasury services, and support residents with fair

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collection, collection and programs with fair tax collection and programs that

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promote economic stability and equality. As Chief Deputy Treasurer,

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Tires will oversee the day-to-day operations of the Treasurer's office and

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provide executive support to my role as the Treasurer. On a personal note, I

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have had the pleasure of observing Tires in the community over the years

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and have always been impressed by his dedication, integrity, and commitment

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to public service. I am confident that his leadership will be a tremendous asset to our

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office and to the residents of Washtenaw County. Please join me in welcoming Mr. Tyrus

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Wall Sr. to his new role.

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Thank you so much. I just want to thank the treasurer whom I

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am so delighted to step into this role. I am, my heart is just grateful, a spirit

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of gratitude. And you know, my name is Tyrus Wall Sr. I reside in Ypsilanti Township,

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Commissioner Justin I just my commissioner and you know I just look forward to working with each and

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every one of you and again you know to have a full circle moment to start at the sheriff's office

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work under Sheriff Shible, Sheriff Menze, Sheriff Clayton and now to work in the greatest office

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in the county the treasurer's office under treasurer sharp um it's a privilege and an honor

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Hello, everyone.

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My name is Jessica Kelly.

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I reside in Pittsburgh Township.

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Commissioner Sanders is our commissioner.

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I am here on behalf of my son, Brandon.

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He was picked up by AAPD and Arbor Police Department

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on July 1st, 2025.

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He was homeless for several months

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and battling chronic mental illness.

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and Arbor Police Department knew of his mental illness.

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January 2023, he was picked up and transported

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to U of M Hospital by Ann Arbor Police Department

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for displaying erratic signs then.

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My son also told me those officers were very unkind to him

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and he gave me reasons.

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August 1st, 2025, those officers,

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Clara Stewart-Lays and for Westinow County Jail

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Community Mental Health finally called me

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after I left her, and District Attorney Jen Genesky

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a message seven days prior requested immediate treatment

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for Brandon after witnessing his erratic behavior in court.

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Sarah claims Brandon has to exhibit behavior,

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a threat to himself or others

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in order to receive court order treatment,

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yet I have discharged papers from Havenwick,

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mental facilities, and community mental health

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at Washtenaw County in regards to his chronic mental illness.

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As of today, I tried visiting my son for the fourth time at Washtenaw Community Jail, and

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I have not spoken with my son.

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He has not received any type of court order treatment, and I am fighting tooth and nails

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trying to get my son the help that he needs.

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I was a single parent.

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I raised my son and my daughter, and Lansing, we moved here 12, 13 years ago, because

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I was just trying to make a better life for all of us.

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It was great, but this ongoing issue with my son and his mental health issue has been

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taken a toll on me trying to fight and get guardianship for him.

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I had spoken with Kara Gallagher.

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Gowler of operations for NAMI. She explained that her son had hit an officer and asked Carol Gowler,

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is her son receiving treatment or is he being held at Washtenaw County Jail?

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Hello, my name is Jade Miller and I'm a resident of Pittsfield Township and have been with the county

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at CMH Youth and Family for eight and a half years and in total I have over 20 years experience.

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Recently, the mental health professionals or MHPs at youth and family submitted a JAQ

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proposal for our position to be reclassified.

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We worked hard and had everything submitted before the deadline, and were expecting the

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results by the date HR had provided.

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That was a month from the deadline.

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That date came and went, and we did not hear results.

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A week later, we were finally informed that our classification was going to go from

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a pay scale of 111 to 112

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Geneva or Genevieve Cox from HR sent an email to one of my colleagues

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Who was the one who actually submitted the form on six?

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or June 6 of this year with the results in the email

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Ms. Cox stated if you would like to learn about our findings in more depth

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I'll I'd be happy to provide it

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any explanation or the explanation of our analysis. Later that day, my coworker on behalf

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of the MHPs, who were behind the JAQ, replied with an email stating we wanted to appeal the

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decision and wrote, in addition, I am requesting the offered explanation for HR's analysis.

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We were hoping to get the analysis before the appeal so that we could better prepare,

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but Ms. Cox did not provide us with the offered explanation of HR's analysis.

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At the appeal meeting, the youth and family MHPs were disrespected.

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We do not actually know if Ms. Cox was listening to what we were saying as she was turning her camera on and off through the appeal meeting,

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and it appeared she was eating and focused on other things during the meeting.

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She also made it clear that our pay is based on the bare minimum, and it is great that we do more, but that is not what our pay is based on.

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We feel we deserve to get paid the same as the behavioral psychologists at CMH who are a 114.

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We have the equivalent education and more job responsibilities at youth and family.

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If the county does not want to make all MHPs a 114, maybe the MHPs that youth and family need to be split from the other MHPs as we do at least two positions, if not more, we are responsible to hold the cases and do case management on top of the MHPs role as a therapist.

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So,

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I would just like to say that we do a lot and we felt very disrespected by the process.

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And we would encourage you to look at our pay and to pay us fairly so that we can afford

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to live in this county.

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And also, a question is, are we being held back because MHPs are predominantly women

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and minorities?

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And could you boost us to a 114 so at least we can live in this county and get paid for the work that we do. Thank you for your time.

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Good evening, I'm Barbara fortune. I am also a mental health professional with community mental health youth and family.

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I reside in Western Wayne County into in Canton Township because I can't afford to reside in this county.

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And I'd just like to support everything that Jay just said and say that it was a disillusioning

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and disappointing process, the JAQ process, and to realize when they say, well, HR will

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consider your appeal.

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HR is one person.

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One person.

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I don't know if she even understands what we do at community, mental health, youth

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and family.

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We save lives.

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We save lives every day.

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And that's an important thing to consider when you're considering our salaries.

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And I heard Commissioner Lamar earlier today talk about you cannot replace 20 years of experience

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with a brand new hire.

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I've got 24 years and I'm still staying.

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I'm still here, even though I'm eligible for retirement.

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But I would like some incentive to remain here.

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Thank you for your time.

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My name is Rachel Kozla and forgive me if I seem a little bit shaky.

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I've been working since this morning and came straight from work and I haven't had

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a chance to eat dinner, which is on me, but I hope that it also shows my commitment to

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serving this county, because I too am a government employee of Washtenaw County. My name again

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is Rachel Kozla. I live in York Township, but I am also a mental health professional

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at Youth and Family along with Barb and Jade. And I also want to add my comments

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about the process that we were recently involved in.

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I provide case management, therapy, crisis intervention,

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and evidence-based treatment,

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often for children experiencing suicidal ideation, trauma,

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abuse, and severe emotional dysregulation.

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This is critical life-saving work.

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work. It is also emotionally and psychologically demanding. Despite the complexities and intensity

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of our role, our request for a higher job classification was denied. The decision sends

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a clear message that the work we do is not fully valued by the county we serve. Professionals

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with similar education backgrounds and credentialing are at higher pay grades and compensated

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more fairly by the county. These are my colleagues. Yet we as mental health professionals at youth

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and family department at community mental health are underpaid, underappreciated and overextended.

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Despite carrying the weight of secondary trauma and performing duties essential to the public

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health and safety of this county. So I have to ask this and I echo a little bit of what

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Jade said earlier. Is it because we are in a profession that is predominantly held by

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women or minorities? Or is it because we serve a population that is economically disadvantaged?

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Is it because we serve children that are often forgotten about? Why are, is the Youth

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and Family Department, so underrepresented in the pay that we receive, the appreciation,

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and also the time that people give to listen to our concerns.

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It's also painfully ironic that we work for this county but cannot afford to reside here.

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Despite our commitment to making this county better, we are not asking for special treatment.

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We are asking for fair recognition for the critical and complex role that we as mental

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health professionals at Washtenaw Community Mental Health Youth and Family Department provide

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on a daily basis.

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Thank you for your time.

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Anyone else in the room for public comment?

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Good evening.

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I'm Barbara Niece-May and I'm the CEO and President of Ipsilanti Meals on Wheels.

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My public comment today is on reflection of the topics covered in the working session this evening.

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I am humbled by what the county leaders have shared.

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And with this few minutes, I wish to bring additional focus to the senior nutrition funds that support Meals on Wheels programs

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and their nutrition services throughout the county.

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We are grateful for this support and we wish to highlight a white paper I shared in conjunction with other Meals on Wheels programs

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programs on August 1st with OCD and with commissioners. In short, we have documented the grim perspective

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of delays in funding for our programs. The Office of Community Economic Development can

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further share how the funds are distributed and how the amounts that are billed out.

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And I can say for our programs, it is material. As a result of this emerging situation,

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and consideration is requested for GAP funding

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if federal funds are delayed in 2025 and 2026.

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It is incredible that in these times

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that we have the older adult knowledge,

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and I mean that truthfully,

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and thanks to you all for bringing it to the voters.

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We also look forward to learning

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00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:31,760
how millage funds can assist in this situation.

460
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:32,520
Thank you.

461
00:39:38,090 --> 00:39:40,250
Anybody else in the room for public comment?

462
00:39:50,340 --> 00:39:51,320
Good evening, everyone.

463
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,660
Hope everyone's been having a good summer so far.

464
00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:58,680
And it's a reminder that the Johnny Lawrence Summer Jazz Festival is going on at Warlake

465
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,300
Park Nipsey Township, every Friday from 7 to 9.

466
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,660
All right, to the meat of the subject here,

467
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,860
I'm sure you guys are aware of the shootings

468
00:40:11,860 --> 00:40:15,360
that's been happening in Nipsey Township on Tuttle Hill and Marks Road.

469
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:21,100
Hopefully, you're aware that the two suspects have been arrested and stuff.

470
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,720
And some of those homes that they shot into were actually occupied and I can go horribly wrong

471
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:33,060
We've heard of that gone wrong before where people been shot little kids been shot dead land in their beds

472
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:40,600
Those suspects from a Washtenaw County prosecutor has not been charged with felony firearm again

473
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:42,280
few times

474
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,210
And if he township we I'm asking

475
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:53,950
commissioner hodge with the support of the other commissioners to ask to bring

476
00:40:53,950 --> 00:40:58,430
employer you to bring the Washtenaw County prosecutor to have him stand where

477
00:40:58,430 --> 00:41:06,350
I am to ask him why he isn't at charging that charge I don't want to hear

478
00:41:06,350 --> 00:41:12,690
from some letter or I've had some phone call and here's what he said he's

479
00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:17,870
going for the state's highest lawyer position in this state he needs to

480
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:19,890
stand here and explain himself or his actions.

481
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:23,410
If he's not representing Ipsy Township,

482
00:41:23,970 --> 00:41:26,470
he's not representing the rest of the county either as well.

483
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:31,790
And I don't think he'll serve the state well as either.

484
00:41:33,310 --> 00:41:35,490
I know this because I had experience

485
00:41:35,490 --> 00:41:39,070
with a person that I know I don't know no longer.

486
00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:41,550
In the past couple of years, they

487
00:41:41,550 --> 00:41:45,590
were found and branded a very large knife against somebody.

488
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:47,390
and I asked him, why wasn't that a felony?

489
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:50,600
It was a misdemeanor.

490
00:41:52,810 --> 00:41:54,510
And all I could hear from this person

491
00:41:54,510 --> 00:41:56,950
was how they beat the system and got away

492
00:41:56,950 --> 00:42:00,070
with pulling a big, big knife on somebody.

493
00:42:01,210 --> 00:42:03,490
When you don't charge people properly,

494
00:42:04,270 --> 00:42:06,790
some people have the tendency they got away with it

495
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:09,590
and will continue to do things again, unfortunately.

496
00:42:11,130 --> 00:42:13,650
And I don't know if you all have any experience

497
00:42:13,650 --> 00:42:15,350
with people who've had firearms

498
00:42:15,350 --> 00:42:22,450
hold on themselves before I personally have when I was younger had a small 22

499
00:42:22,450 --> 00:42:28,510
danger type pistol stuck to my right temple so now so obviously some not

500
00:42:28,510 --> 00:42:33,210
forgot about it the people who have firearms pulled on them were shot at them

501
00:42:33,210 --> 00:42:38,030
will not forget that experience this wash not County prosecutor is

502
00:42:38,570 --> 00:42:47,510
for getting the victims and helping the perpetrators and the crimes. This needs

503
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:51,170
to be addressed. I'm asking you, especially Commissioner Hajj and all the

504
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:54,290
other commissioners, to support to bring the Washtenaw County

505
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:59,510
County prosecutor here to ask them why is any charging that charge. Thank you.

506
00:43:00,250 --> 00:43:04,090
Will you just say your name and I know we know but say it for the record.

507
00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:06,550
Thank you.

508
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:10,530
Anyone else in the room for public comment?

509
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:14,510
Ashley, do we have anybody online?

510
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:16,270
Yes, chair.

511
00:43:16,930 --> 00:43:18,510
First, we have Abigail Allman.

512
00:43:19,290 --> 00:43:20,270
Go ahead, Abigail.

513
00:43:22,210 --> 00:43:23,870
Good evening, commissioners.

514
00:43:24,070 --> 00:43:25,290
My name is Abigail Allman.

515
00:43:26,090 --> 00:43:28,070
The last time I addressed you,

516
00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:29,610
I lived in Ypsilanti Township,

517
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:32,430
but I have since moved to the city of Detroit.

518
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:35,270
I work for the county in the Access Department

519
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:43,390
Community Mental Health as a clinical social worker and intake assessment for both adult teams.

520
00:43:44,310 --> 00:43:48,410
I'm also the unit A chapter chair of AFSCME Local 2733.

521
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:56,650
I represent Community Mental Health as well as a large majority of the county workforce.

522
00:43:57,830 --> 00:44:04,230
You heard some of my colleagues and union members speak today regarding their process with the JAQ.

523
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:08,430
I just wanted to come on here and show support for them.

524
00:44:09,370 --> 00:44:12,070
You know, as social workers, we are, and care providers,

525
00:44:12,370 --> 00:44:17,870
we are often, you know, instructed to advocate for our clients,

526
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:21,310
which, you know, I've had the privilege of learning from them,

527
00:44:21,490 --> 00:44:27,070
specifically how youth and family MHPs provide support to the families of

528
00:44:27,070 --> 00:44:27,950
Washington County.

529
00:44:28,410 --> 00:44:32,910
It has been pretty eye-opening to learn about their,

530
00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:39,630
you know, the expectations of their role and how, you know, it is quite more significant

531
00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:45,390
than other MHPs in the county, you know, taking on three and four, you know, different job

532
00:44:46,250 --> 00:44:48,830
roles that are not necessarily reflected in their position.

533
00:44:49,650 --> 00:44:55,770
And, you know, as social workers and care providers, I think it's courageous and worth,

534
00:44:55,770 --> 00:44:59,890
you know celebrating when you know

535
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,300
We obviously advocate for our clients, but this stigmatize and even discourage to advocate

536
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:13,720
for ourselves in a better workplace. So that's all. I appreciate their time. I apologize that

537
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:15,800
I could not be there in person. Thank you.

538
00:45:18,510 --> 00:45:21,130
Thank you. Anyone else online, Ashley?

539
00:45:21,690 --> 00:45:22,710
There's no one else online, Chair.

540
00:45:23,110 --> 00:45:29,490
Okay. At this time, it is Commissioner Fowlow to public participation. Commissioners, Commissioner

541
00:45:29,490 --> 00:45:29,790
Hodg.

542
00:45:30,910 --> 00:45:35,990
Thank you, Chair. I kept a list here. I think I won today with the most constituent of giving public comment.

543
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:41,310
I'll start to thank President Sharp coming out and introducing us to TIRIS.

544
00:45:41,410 --> 00:45:44,090
So thank you very much and looking forward to working with you. Thank you for coming out.

545
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:48,290
To the constituent that we're not – this one's not one of my constituents,

546
00:45:48,450 --> 00:45:52,830
but for the person that mentioned the challenges with AAPD in the Sheriff's Office and in the jail,

547
00:45:53,410 --> 00:45:58,630
I think probably the best recommendation is to engage the Sheriff's Office directly or file some sort of complaint.

548
00:45:59,110 --> 00:46:02,330
I think they can provide you more information than we certainly can here.

549
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:05,330
I think there are other challenges that play that we were not aware of.

550
00:46:06,210 --> 00:46:11,070
If you haven't already done that, I think somebody here could help you and the people sitting at the desks there.

551
00:46:13,350 --> 00:46:18,930
For everyone that came to talk about the mental health professionals, I want to thank you all for your work.

552
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:25,930
So earlier in my career, I was a clinical social worker at the CMA in the Lansing area, and I had a comparable position to the ones that you're talking about.

553
00:46:25,930 --> 00:46:27,390
So I understand how challenging it can be.

554
00:46:28,850 --> 00:46:31,070
And I appreciate you sharing the difficulties

555
00:46:31,070 --> 00:46:34,030
with the JEQ process and the work environment.

556
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:36,570
So it's certainly something that we can all talk about

557
00:46:36,570 --> 00:46:37,010
and work on.

558
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:37,550
So thank you.

559
00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:39,490
Your work is very much appreciated by,

560
00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:40,550
I think, everybody up here.

561
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:42,670
But I'll say, especially me, is the one social worker

562
00:46:42,670 --> 00:46:43,070
sitting up.

563
00:46:43,350 --> 00:46:44,830
So thank you very much.

564
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:48,930
Jeremy, I will attempt to have a conversation

565
00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:49,570
with the prosecutor.

566
00:46:50,010 --> 00:46:50,450
Where are you at, Jeremy?

567
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:51,010
There you are.

568
00:46:51,350 --> 00:46:51,590
OK.

569
00:46:52,590 --> 00:46:54,270
I don't know if we could necessarily

570
00:46:54,270 --> 00:46:57,290
really like do what you're suggesting where you come and happen to stand at the podium

571
00:46:57,290 --> 00:47:02,270
and so we grill them on it, but I would try to expeditiously get information about that

572
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:07,750
and we could talk more about it. Did I miss anybody? I did? No, those are other notes.

573
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:15,170
We had one written public comment to respond to as well. It was from Phoenix Mobility related

574
00:47:15,170 --> 00:47:20,030
to the older adults' knowledge and their request or hope that they could be included

575
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:23,750
than some funding allocation related to transportation.

576
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:26,470
So just in case anybody missed the written public comment,

577
00:47:26,590 --> 00:47:27,030
that's there too.

578
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:28,570
It's the time to respond to all the public comments.

579
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:30,970
So thank you all very much, especially the social worker.

580
00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:32,670
Thank you, Chair.

581
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:33,290
Thank you.

582
00:47:33,470 --> 00:47:35,450
I didn't know we were keeping square about constituents.

583
00:47:36,030 --> 00:47:36,910
I won today.

584
00:47:37,230 --> 00:47:37,870
You know, you'll win another.

585
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:41,410
I had no idea that was a competition until today.

586
00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:43,170
Commissioner Sanders?

587
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:54,200
I had a question about the last employee that spoke about the job reclassifications.

588
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:04,500
She indicated that they were denied, and that wasn't what I thought I heard from the previous

589
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:13,220
two, that was the job reclassification denied or was it not provided the level that was

590
00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:13,820
requested.

591
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:22,160
I think we can't actually have a back and forth. Yeah, so I think that's

592
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:27,780
an entirely for me. Yeah, I just think that we need to yeah. I want to make sure that if we're

593
00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:37,020
if we're making this information available to the public that we're giving them the actual facts

594
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,780
and so if a job classification was requested and it came back one level higher

595
00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:47,260
and not possibly four levels higher.

596
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,620
We need to be clear with our residents that it wasn't denied.

597
00:48:52,580 --> 00:48:55,220
They just didn't receive what they wanted.

598
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,880
And I also wanted to address,

599
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,140
I wanted to address the narrative

600
00:49:03,140 --> 00:49:07,740
that we continue to get from our employees.

601
00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:12,480
And I believe that they are all committed and hardworking,

602
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:21,620
but there's a narrative that somehow the county owes our employees a salary that

603
00:49:21,620 --> 00:49:26,960
will allow them to live in the county and I don't know that that's a very safe

604
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,040
narrative especially when we don't require as a condition of employment

605
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:38,880
that they live here in the county as someone who has I don't know what it

606
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:46,060
is to work one job, I've had to work two jobs. And I've lived here 36 years. I'm not saying

607
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:52,420
that it's a, you know, we're, we could be considered a high rent district.

608
00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:55,500
But I do

609
00:49:55,500 --> 00:50:01,360
think it's a, it's, it's, I don't know that it makes a good argument, because that's

610
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,700
not something that is a condition of employment, that we owe you a salary that will allow

611
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:14,040
you to live here and also there's no guarantee that even if we paid you a

612
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:19,560
salary that would allow you to live here that you're committing to living here. I

613
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:26,260
never hear that. I've never heard that nor seen a guarantee that if you were

614
00:50:26,260 --> 00:50:30,540
to get this increase that you want no matter what that is that you're gonna

615
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,920
uproach your life where you are and move here because you've received an

616
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:42,800
increase so and I want to be clear because we'll have employees walking away

617
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,140
saying Commissioner Sanders doesn't support us that's not it I've taken many

618
00:50:47,140 --> 00:50:53,840
lashes for some of these employees publicly I support you but I just want

619
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:58,280
to be clear that I don't know any employer that guarantees that they're

620
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:06,880
to pay you a wage that would allow you to live in any particular area or district and I know I'm

621
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:13,060
not certain it is a strong argument. When you're talking to us about your skillset, your education

622
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:19,720
level and things like that, that's something different and that's HR related but the narrative

623
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:27,020
that you know somehow it's terrible if we don't give you a raise just so you can live in

624
00:51:27,020 --> 00:51:32,680
Washington County, I'm not sure that that's a strong narrative. And it and I

625
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:39,800
never hear anyone say I'm gonna move as soon as I get that raise. And if I were

626
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,180
you and I weren't living here and I got a raise, I would stay where I was and

627
00:51:44,180 --> 00:51:51,880
save the race. I wouldn't spend it on higher rent necessarily. So I've not

628
00:51:51,880 --> 00:52:02,260
address that in the four years but I just I need to say that thank you. Thank

629
00:52:02,260 --> 00:52:08,140
you Commissioner Robby. Thank you chair appreciate it and thank you to

630
00:52:08,140 --> 00:52:12,080
everybody that came and spoke I just I want to mainly address the,

631
00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:21,860
wow there's

632
00:52:21,860 --> 00:52:24,960
It was like the voice with no disembodied voice.

633
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,520
I wanna speak directly to the staff that showed up today.

634
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,620
I wanna start by saying thank you for coming and speaking.

635
00:52:35,180 --> 00:52:40,960
It is not an easy thing to do to come before this body

636
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,300
as employees of this organization and say what you did.

637
00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:48,040
There I know from talking to other county staff

638
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,480
that there is all kinds of fear

639
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:55,660
that comes along with coming and speaking in these settings and I want to thank you for your courage

640
00:52:55,660 --> 00:53:01,760
to come forward and to share with us directly. I think that we need an environment at the county

641
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:08,120
where all employees feel that they can come to that podium and speak their mind to us and not

642
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:18,220
have any fear of anything happening but anything but us listening and acting. So I want to thank

643
00:53:18,220 --> 00:53:20,920
Thank you for your courage, first and foremost, for coming and speaking out.

644
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:28,500
I want to say that I fully support your folks that are in your job classification getting

645
00:53:29,380 --> 00:53:38,380
bumps beyond the position that was offered, sounded like 112th level was what was offered

646
00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:38,740
to you.

647
00:53:39,300 --> 00:53:41,520
I fully support you getting paid more than that.

648
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:49,020
I think that it is the it's not just the job that you do but it's you know it's

649
00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:52,440
the importance of the job that you do it's the amount of hours that you all

650
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,260
put in it is the danger of the job that you do is the emotional strain of the

651
00:53:57,260 --> 00:54:00,180
job that you do it's the emotional strain on your families of the job that

652
00:54:00,180 --> 00:54:04,840
you do and I don't think there's any reason why you know we shouldn't be

653
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,580
giving strong consideration to more pay for your position.

654
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:16,160
I also want to note that it is somewhat with frustration

655
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,780
that I hear what you've brought forward.

656
00:54:21,180 --> 00:54:23,940
This body didn't really bat an eye

657
00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:26,380
when we had a proposal in front of us

658
00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:28,720
to pay 17 county employees,

659
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:31,300
half a million dollars structurally,

660
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:32,880
divided amongst them.

661
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:39,580
and those are all basically top earners at the county already and you know the

662
00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:45,240
county the board passed that and we gave them all their pay raise and you know

663
00:54:45,240 --> 00:54:50,500
you're not making as much money as those folks do and here you are having to you

664
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:55,940
know fight and scrape and claw to get what is likely to amount to even if you

665
00:54:55,940 --> 00:55:00,660
go up to 114 not that big of a pay increase in the end so I am very

666
00:55:00,660 --> 00:55:07,820
sympathetic to your advocacy. And I believe that we should not have a double standard at

667
00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:13,160
this body of treating administrative staff with more leniency when it comes to salary

668
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:19,080
determinations than we do the folks that are, in my opinion, doing the actual work

669
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:25,380
of serving our residents. So that is something that I definitely have in mind. And I will

670
00:55:25,380 --> 00:55:31,400
just closed by saying it is a goal, a personal goal of mine as one of the nine commissioners

671
00:55:31,900 --> 00:55:38,220
that we do pay our employees a wage that is adequate to live in our county, whether they

672
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:42,160
choose to live here or not is their choice. But I do believe that it is important that

673
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:46,720
we pay a salary that allows for people to live in our community. That is the least

674
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:51,400
we can do and it's a standard I believe that we should uphold. And so I am one of

675
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:58,080
Only only one of nine, but that is that is what I believe and that's what I wanted to say. So thank you for coming today

676
00:55:59,060 --> 00:56:00,760
Thank you Commissioner Somerville

677
00:56:02,300 --> 00:56:03,580
Thank you chair

678
00:56:05,380 --> 00:56:07,740
Your name plates are not switched

679
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,220
Katie scouts over there and Angela bars over there. Oh

680
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:17,980
So I just wanted to follow up to a few things

681
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:24,620
Thank you Barbara for coming. Ipsy Meals on Wheels is located in my district and they

682
00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:29,400
do really great work. And I've talked to Barbara a lot over the last couple of months about

683
00:56:30,020 --> 00:56:34,780
the impact of what's happening at the federal level and state level and how we can fill

684
00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:39,780
gaps and make sure people older adults are fed and not just the bare minimum with

685
00:56:39,780 --> 00:56:45,900
the millage. So I'm looking forward to continued conversations. And to the employees

686
00:56:45,900 --> 00:56:55,000
that spoke. I think what was consistent across the board was the fact that there's not pay equity

687
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:00,300
among people who do the exact same jobs in different areas of the organization. And I find that

688
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:09,120
very frustrating. And that type of scenario makes me wish that we had more power as commissioners

689
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:16,820
to be able to just make something that seems to make a lot of sense to me to provide pay equity in that situation.

690
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:25,580
So I guess I'm voicing it here. I support you all and I hope that there's something that can be done to provide pay equity for you

691
00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:31,100
because it's really, at the very least, you deserve pay equity, but I think I manage a small office

692
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:35,340
and I tell people this all the time, just because I'm the chief of staff.

693
00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:45,060
Like there are people that I manage that the office couldn't function without them and the only reason why I can do my job is because they're doing theirs.

694
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:47,440
And so it's always the people that are lower.

695
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:56,920
I hate saying it like that because in my eyes the people who answer the phones in my office and answer the emails are actually more important than I am.

696
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,740
And so that's how I feel about all of our employees at the county, the people who are

697
00:58:00,740 --> 00:58:04,260
actually doing the work that impacts the day-to-day functions are the most important.

698
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,840
And I think that should be reflected in the way that you're paid.

699
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:12,920
So I, and I know how hard it is for you to come here out of fear of, you know, like

700
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,640
retaliation and I'm not saying that's going to happen, but it is a scary position

701
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:20,020
to be in when you're an employee and you're not sure if you can speak out with

702
00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:21,120
being retaliated against.

703
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,100
And so thank you for doing that.

704
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:30,080
And I think the points made too about the way certain positions, and this is a national problem,

705
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:37,160
jobs that are typically held by women and minorities are often on the lower of the pay scale and just

706
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:42,240
not considered that important even though those are the positions that hold up the world.

707
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,120
So thank you for coming, and I hope we can get you guys pay equity.

708
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:46,720
Thank you.

709
00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:50,980
Thank you, Commissioner Somerville. Commissioner Maciaski.

710
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:58,540
Thanks, Chair. I just wanted to thank Barb from FC Meals on Wheels for coming in. And I

711
00:58:58,540 --> 00:59:04,740
guess, Greg, I want to follow up to better understand the funding flow, because that's

712
00:59:04,740 --> 00:59:09,180
a little bit different than what I've experienced in the past in terms of disruption. So I just

713
00:59:09,180 --> 00:59:14,760
want to give you more shadow. I'm going to ask about that outside the meeting. But

714
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:23,500
But I have to know Deputy Treasurer, Tyrus, I have a history with Tyrus, because Tyrus

715
00:59:23,500 --> 00:59:27,820
was supposed to be the new emcee at Older Michiganians Day next year.

716
00:59:28,820 --> 00:59:30,980
And now he shows up as Deputy Treasurer.

717
00:59:31,340 --> 00:59:33,980
So I know Tyrus from the aging world.

718
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,560
So it's good to see you welcome.

719
00:59:36,540 --> 00:59:38,380
I'll tell the Treasurer she got a good one.

720
00:59:38,980 --> 00:59:43,180
Tyrus is a really good guy and welcome to Washington, I'm kind of glad I had him

721
00:59:43,180 --> 00:59:48,240
here. And even though we're losing you out of the aging space to be here at the

722
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,380
county's fantastic. So welcome.

723
00:59:51,980 --> 00:59:53,560
Thank you, Commissioner Marcheski.

724
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:54,620
Commissioner Light,

725
00:59:57,020 --> 00:59:59,900
I would like to thank everyone who came out today.

726
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,520
Okay. For our employees that showed up, thank you for showing us and speaking out. I am always

727
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,960
available if you do not want to come forward and you think that there will be some kind of

728
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:20,300
retaliation. I'm here for it. And I will advocate for you because it can get uncomfortable.

729
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:26,900
We've had employees who have come to share and it just wasn't so great afterwards. So

730
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:33,000
thank you, um, fall me if you need me, text me, email me, send smoke messages, I'll be

731
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:40,040
there. I show up in person. So, um, I understand, I worked in social services and education,

732
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:50,200
and so definitely, um, some underpaid, uh, some underpaid careers, and so, um, I understand,

733
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:56,180
and now the conversation has been had. Everybody's been put on notice, so it

734
01:00:56,180 --> 01:01:07,720
heard and just call me. The next thing I wanted to say is Barbara, thank you. I know we have a gap

735
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:14,960
to feel and I'm down with being a gap filler. So I am going to hustle, bustle, and run and try to

736
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:23,640
figure out a way, you know, to get us to the finish line and making sure that we don't experience

737
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,000
what we have presented in front of us.

738
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,560
So thank you and myself and my colleagues,

739
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,120
we are all working on it.

740
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,940
Jeremy, thank you for always showing up

741
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:39,620
and giving us and providing us with information.

742
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:48,540
Our community violence has been on the uproar here lately.

743
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:52,720
Additionally, I know you spoke of that there were

744
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,520
you know, some shootings in Tuttle Hill and I believe you said March Road in Ipsley Township

745
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:04,040
and then also in Ipsley Township at the end of the month in July, there were two fatal

746
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:10,460
shootings, one on E-Course Road in Ipsley-Lanny near the McDonald's, I think the McDonald's

747
01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:19,660
Park and Lot, one a couple of weekends ago at Anderson Villa Apartments as well in Ipsley

748
01:02:19,660 --> 01:02:27,460
township so our violence has been on the rise and I think I'm going to circle

749
01:02:27,460 --> 01:02:36,650
this back to our community violence intervention teams are not being provided

750
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:43,610
resources and stipends and being able to go out and work in the community and

751
01:02:43,610 --> 01:02:49,110
and being able to prevent because community violence

752
01:02:49,110 --> 01:02:51,830
intervention is a preventative measure.

753
01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:55,710
They go out and they get into the community.

754
01:02:56,370 --> 01:02:58,410
And so that's something that they

755
01:02:58,410 --> 01:02:59,510
haven't been afforded to do.

756
01:02:59,690 --> 01:03:05,810
They haven't been able to do because they haven't received

757
01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:09,010
the funding that has been provided to them for grants.

758
01:03:09,010 --> 01:03:17,370
and so I bring that up to circle back to making sure that I state that our

759
01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:22,570
sheriff's office, this is my last time talking about this publicly,

760
01:03:25,060 --> 01:03:25,680
allocate the

761
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:30,040
funds, provide the funds to our community violence intervention team

762
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:37,200
because we don't need to continue to have a up war in numbers of fatal

763
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:44,340
shooting is ridiculous so provide the community violence intervention team the

764
01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:51,800
funding I'll make this analogy when I was an undergrad I would receive

765
01:03:51,800 --> 01:04:01,100
scholarships or financial aid and I would want to utilize funding for one

766
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:04,680
semester from another semester and they would say you can't do that

767
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:14,520
whether it be utilizing new money for your past you know balance you couldn't

768
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:24,220
do it or using you just can't do it. So we have past funds that were allocated

769
01:04:24,220 --> 01:04:31,080
from the state to the Community Violence Intervention Team that is now

770
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:40,980
being used for current community violence intervention that has been made up along

771
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:45,760
the way some kind of way we're not doing that so I just want to say get it

772
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:51,260
together allocate the funds because it's my last time saying it we're not doing

773
01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:57,940
that and I believe that this will eliminate if we are able to continue

774
01:04:57,940 --> 01:04:59,660
you the work that has been done.

775
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:03,600
And then that rotates into where our,

776
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:06,720
where Elisabeth will be able,

777
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:10,940
where he won't even have to go about with these charges

778
01:05:10,940 --> 01:05:13,680
and wondering why this is a misdemeanor, why this is not,

779
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,480
but he has to follow the law.

780
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,080
And he can't just decide how he's gonna charge,

781
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:20,980
what he has to charge.

782
01:05:21,460 --> 01:05:22,760
There is work behind that.

783
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:27,940
But I began some education in a paralegal degree.

784
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:28,840
It is lots of work.

785
01:05:29,020 --> 01:05:31,000
It is lots of things that go behind it.

786
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,320
He doesn't just get to say, hey, this is that.

787
01:05:33,420 --> 01:05:42,020
But I know he will be more than open to have that conversation and to be, it'll be

788
01:05:42,020 --> 01:05:43,640
justified and it'll be legal.

789
01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:48,440
So just, you can go to his office, you can call him, you can email him, but we will

790
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,840
make sure that we reach out so that we can get that information.

791
01:05:53,500 --> 01:05:55,540
I believe that is all that I have.

792
01:05:56,860 --> 01:05:58,920
Thank you, Commissioner Beaman.

793
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,620
Thank you, Chair. I want to thank everyone who came forward to speak tonight.

794
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,500
I apologize, I didn't get the name of the mother from Pittsfield,

795
01:06:07,580 --> 01:06:14,620
but I would like to follow up on that because that was deeply concerning the care in the county jail.

796
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,960
I would like to have some answers to that and a little bit more information.

797
01:06:18,820 --> 01:06:26,520
So feel free to reach out directly to our new WEE Treasurer, Mr. Walls.

798
01:06:26,580 --> 01:06:27,520
Great to have you here.

799
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,640
I got to meet you the other week, but it's great to have you here in person.

800
01:06:30,660 --> 01:06:33,300
So thank you for joining us for this evening.

801
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,420
For Barb from Meals on Wheels, thanks for coming forward and everything that you do.

802
01:06:39,020 --> 01:06:45,880
I'm deeply, deeply concerned for the nutrition of our seniors, of our entire community a bit,

803
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:53,240
But as of our seniors, so thank you for coming forward and being such a vocal advocate for our staff.

804
01:06:53,880 --> 01:07:05,220
I'm the commissioner that always says we don't make widgets. We have services and people are behind those services. And so I deeply thank you for what you are providing to the community.

805
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:13,520
I'm very concerned for the future of CMH in general from the presentation that we had

806
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:18,660
in the prior session and the caseloads and the workloads and all of those things.

807
01:07:18,980 --> 01:07:28,020
So I'm very upset to hear that you feel you weren't valued because that's where you

808
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:29,580
are and that's where you should be.

809
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:34,160
You should be valued in your work every day and there should be dialogue and there

810
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:45,920
There should be questions answered and we don't necessarily always get the answer that we want, but if we're not having that back and forth, that's beyond frustrating. So I'm very sorry to hear that that's happening.

811
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:59,820
And I hope that there can be a greater resolution in the future and to Commissioner Somerville's point, I wish we had a little bit more poll and those things because you just do you do the work.

812
01:07:59,820 --> 01:08:03,640
You do the work, you're why we're here as a board.

813
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:10,380
You're here to do the work that truly matters in our community.

814
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:15,560
So just thank you for continuing and coming forward

815
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,980
in all of those different pieces.

816
01:08:19,540 --> 01:08:23,240
And I'm just going to add a little bit, a little tiny nugget.

817
01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:25,380
We still don't have a budget from the state.

818
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:34,380
So if anyone tuning in at home wants to reach out to their state representative or specifically

819
01:08:34,380 --> 01:08:42,420
to Matt Halt, that would be great so that we can make budgetary decisions as we will have

820
01:08:42,420 --> 01:08:46,840
a forced government shutdown come October 1 if we don't have a budget.

821
01:08:47,540 --> 01:08:49,280
July 1 is when it was due.

822
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:50,620
Let's see today's date.

823
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:52,120
Today's date is August 6.

824
01:08:53,220 --> 01:09:03,300
Over a month, we still don't have the information. We're waiting. Schools are waiting. Everyone's waiting. So if you can tune in at home, want to give them a call. Please do. Thanks.

825
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:13,480
Thanks, Commissioner Beaman. Spoken like a true instructor, professor. Your work is late. Get it in.

826
01:09:15,580 --> 01:09:16,460
Commissioner Somerville.

827
01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:23,580
Okay, I just have a small funny things I forgot until Commissioner Maciejewski spoke up, when

828
01:09:24,180 --> 01:09:29,140
Treasurer Sharp introduced me to the new deputy and I found out he had experience in the older

829
01:09:29,140 --> 01:09:29,640
adult space.

830
01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:34,920
I jokingly, half serious, encouraged him to apply for the office of aging director of

831
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:35,300
Goliath.

832
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:43,500
All jokes aside, I did share this briefly when I ran into them outside of work setting

833
01:09:43,500 --> 01:09:48,340
I'm just that I'm excited to work with both of you on how we can get to that.

834
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:54,320
One of those core issues that we decided are going to be part of our work with older adults

835
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:58,460
in preventing and eliminating homelessness for people, especially homeowners and preventing

836
01:09:58,460 --> 01:09:59,180
foreclosure.

837
01:09:59,420 --> 01:10:03,460
So I'm excited even, you know, I think it's great actually that we have people in

838
01:10:03,460 --> 01:10:07,400
a different department that understand the older adults face, especially when we know

839
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,420
housing is such a big piece of the puzzle.

840
01:10:10,420 --> 01:10:25,240
So, just welcome to the county. Welcome back, I guess. It sounds like welcome back. So, just excited to have you. And I was going to not bring this up, but Chair Scott thought it would be, would lighten up the mood.

841
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:32,600
So, a commissioner trying to steal a new employee for a different department. It was a joke. Thank you.

842
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:37,460
Thank you, Commissioner Somerville. Any other commissioner follow up to public participation?

843
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:46,580
I'll go real quick. I did. I did tell Commissioner Somerville sometimes it's nice to have a little levity. I'll try not to bring us back down too far.

844
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:58,880
Debbie DeWalls, welcome. And I think it was a brilliant idea to try to steal you but unfortunately Treasurer Sharp got you first. So I'm happy that you're here. I'm happy that you're doing that work with her.

845
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,220
or you guys look like you will be a fun team.

846
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,700
Jessica, Kelly, that was the Fitzfield mom,

847
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:07,400
Commissioner Beaman.

848
01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:08,740
I don't know if you're still here,

849
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:12,740
but your story was brave and honest

850
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,260
and you're being the best mama bear

851
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,900
that you can be out here advocating for your child.

852
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,160
And I see you and I appreciate that

853
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:27,880
and we're gonna try to see what we can do

854
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:34,200
to connect you with people so you can be sure that your son is getting services that he needs.

855
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:45,540
Okay. Thank you, Barbara Neath May for coming. As always, Jeremy, I'm always interested to hear

856
01:11:45,540 --> 01:11:52,820
like if like boots on the ground what we're hearing from you. And then finally, to the county

857
01:11:52,820 --> 01:12:01,100
the employees who came, I want to say that I do know that it is difficult to stand in

858
01:12:01,100 --> 01:12:08,080
front of a board like this and make comments. It's also sort of a scary thing to do. And

859
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:13,240
I also know that compensation is one of the most important ways that we value people.

860
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:21,680
And it's also one of the most complex pieces to get right. I want to mention here, note

861
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:26,960
that I talked to administrator Dill just on the side a little bit here who's

862
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,640
going to get us more information soon he assures us that that will happen and he's

863
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:36,980
talked with our HR director who's here tonight too so I want you to know that

864
01:12:36,980 --> 01:12:41,660
we are thinking about how we review compensation structures, budget, realities

865
01:12:41,660 --> 01:12:47,920
but that being said I do want to recognize that sometimes what seems

866
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:54,920
fair on paper doesn't always feel fair in practice and so I want to continue to

867
01:12:54,920 --> 01:13:01,400
stay in conversation about about this and I want you to know that your voice

868
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:08,100
matters and that while I might not be able to promise an immediate resolution

869
01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:15,160
to this I can promise more transparency and more advocacy and assure you that

870
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,100
this is something I take seriously. So thank you for coming and advocating for

871
01:13:19,100 --> 01:13:26,560
you, your professions, and ultimately the people you serve. So thank you. That is the

872
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:34,980
end of Commissioner Fala to public participation at 8.25. It's a record for

873
01:13:34,980 --> 01:13:35,520
us right now.

874
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,720
That being said, you can all see the agenda here and at the

875
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:46,260
end of the agenda is a closed session, but I'm going to move that closed session forward.

876
01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:52,120
Is anybody Commissioner Hodge? Thank you, Chair. I move that we go in a closed session to discuss

877
01:13:52,120 --> 01:14:00,040
one, Fox v. Washtenaw foreclosure litigation with Council and two, negotiation strategy for

878
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:05,920
union negotiations. Great. Do I have a second? Would I have a roll call about please?

879
01:14:13,890 --> 01:14:15,490
Commissioner Beaman. Yes.

880
01:14:16,150 --> 01:14:17,410
Commissioner Hogg. Yes.

881
01:14:17,950 --> 01:14:19,390
Commissioner LaBar. Yes.

882
01:14:20,010 --> 01:14:21,330
Commissioner Light. Yes.

883
01:14:22,210 --> 01:14:24,050
Commissioner Maciejewski. Yes.

884
01:14:24,870 --> 01:14:25,790
Commissioner Robbie.

885
01:14:28,090 --> 01:14:28,790
Commissioner Sanders.

886
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:31,330
If we must.

887
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:33,490
Commissioner Scott.

888
01:14:34,530 --> 01:14:35,670
Commissioner Somerville.

889
01:14:38,890 --> 01:14:38,890
Oh.

890
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:46,530
She's already going down. Okay, so what is that motion passed so so what this means if you're here is that we

891
01:14:46,530 --> 01:14:51,750
go into closed session in a downstairs conference room and we'll be back upstairs when the closed

892
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:56,750
session is done if you're watching at home. I think you just see a blank screen. I'd really

893
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:59,970
I'd really like to get some, like, some, some, there is.

894
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,360
There's a background music. There's a method. Andrew's saying we have it. I want music. I want

895
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:09,420
some nice jazz. Yes. Okay. We'll see y'all soon.

896
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:12,800
Yeah, this

897
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,280
is the best we've ever owned a picture until it starts.

898
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,600
So we've got a lot of work to do.

899
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:31,890
We've got a lot of things to do.

900
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:34,490
We've got a lot

901
01:15:36,860 --> 01:15:41,500
of work to do.

902
01:15:41,500 --> 01:15:41,900
We've got a lot to do.

903
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,460
We've got a

904
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,340
lot

905
01:15:54,220 --> 01:15:55,120
to do.

906
01:16:59,070 --> 01:16:59,410
Yeah.

907
01:16:59,410 --> 01:17:00,930
your own experience.

908
01:17:01,470 --> 01:17:02,150
You know that,

909
01:17:02,590 --> 01:17:04,570
and you're on it.

910
01:17:05,090 --> 01:17:05,750
You're doing it.

911
01:17:08,270 --> 01:17:10,010
You're doing it.

912
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:30,360
Yeah,

913
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:57,960
you're doing it.

914
01:17:58,400 --> 01:17:58,420
I'm

915
01:18:44,050 --> 01:18:45,210
trying to help

916
01:19:25,210 --> 01:19:26,230
you.

917
01:19:38,550 --> 01:19:39,090
Yeah.

918
01:19:39,130 --> 01:19:39,830
I'm trying

919
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:42,740
to help you.

920
01:19:42,740 --> 01:19:42,960
You're

921
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,820
doing it.

922
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:12,200
You're doing it.

923
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:23,720
You're doing it.

924
02:36:05,970 --> 02:36:09,430
We're calling the meeting back to order. I thank you for waiting for us in closed session.

925
02:36:09,630 --> 02:36:15,630
Next item on the agenda is liaison reports. Any liaison reports? No? Yes? Okay. Commissioner

926
02:36:15,630 --> 02:36:19,510
Hodge, I tried, friends. It's only 9.45 and we should do the liaison report.

927
02:36:19,790 --> 02:36:23,650
All right, well, there's people waiting to present to us. I'll make it quick here.

928
02:36:24,150 --> 02:36:27,170
So I got some good stuff from the health department, as usual, and we still have friends

929
02:36:27,170 --> 02:36:31,030
from the health department and the audience there. I'll be quick about it because we're

930
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:34,490
going to see more of the budget information soon from them, but I did want to highlight

931
02:36:34,490 --> 02:36:38,510
a couple of things. We have this document here that we could send out, but this part

932
02:36:38,510 --> 02:36:43,590
we can accurately be able to see it. But it goes over some of the positions that are going

933
02:36:43,590 --> 02:36:50,230
to be held because of funding challenges. That includes some of the Washtenaw Health

934
02:36:50,230 --> 02:36:54,710
Project positions that we talked about before, but also it includes health equity, a health

935
02:36:54,710 --> 02:36:59,590
equity position. So my hope is that since we value health equity here, we can find

936
02:36:59,590 --> 02:37:05,510
way to make that happen with the budget. Another thing that was useful or interesting from the

937
02:37:05,510 --> 02:37:10,330
Health Department is we passed a resolution honoring the 10th anniversary of the Washtenaw

938
02:37:10,330 --> 02:37:14,670
County Dental Clinic at the last Board of Health meeting. I won't read it since, you know,

939
02:37:15,070 --> 02:37:19,030
it's okay, I don't got to read it. But congratulations for the 10th anniversary

940
02:37:19,030 --> 02:37:24,450
of the Washtenaw County Dental Clinic. We also had summer health day today.

941
02:37:25,050 --> 02:37:28,770
All right, summer health day was a good day at Washtenaw County Health Department.

942
02:37:28,770 --> 02:37:36,130
I think it was bigger than the last two years whether it was also better because it was rainy. I think one of the years

943
02:37:36,670 --> 02:37:42,330
No cornhole this time, but they had other games and pigtak toe and all that good stuff. Oh connect four. So that was fun

944
02:37:43,490 --> 02:37:47,550
So thank you and congratulations to the health department again on another successful summer health day

945
02:37:47,550 --> 02:37:51,570
Pictures to come plenty of pictures to come another one

946
02:37:51,570 --> 02:37:56,630
We have I'll be quick on this one an advisory council reparations meeting the one from July that we had

947
02:37:56,630 --> 02:38:02,530
that we are entering into a partnership with a unit at U of M that's going to provide us

948
02:38:02,530 --> 02:38:07,730
some pro bono research assistance with the work there. So no cost to us at all. So thank

949
02:38:07,730 --> 02:38:12,710
you to that group and thank you to where's Derek at. Thank you to Derek, wherever Derek

950
02:38:12,710 --> 02:38:13,050
is.

951
02:38:15,410 --> 02:38:19,570
OCD, so from Community Action Board, we haven't had a meeting since the last

952
02:38:19,570 --> 02:38:22,670
one of these, but they did want us to highlight two events that are coming up.

953
02:38:22,670 --> 02:38:28,950
One of them is Ipsy Food Fest, which is on August 9th from 1230 to 730.

954
02:38:29,710 --> 02:38:34,230
And then we have the Summer Fest, the Joe Doolan Summer Fest also coming up soon.

955
02:38:34,610 --> 02:38:36,330
So stay tuned for those things.

956
02:38:36,650 --> 02:38:38,750
And that concludes my liaison report.

957
02:38:38,950 --> 02:38:40,210
Thank you Commissioner LaBarre.

958
02:38:40,450 --> 02:38:46,270
At COC we had our meeting and the big thing to highlight there is two full one.

959
02:38:46,270 --> 02:38:53,810
Then the HUD budget that they are working on in Congress right now is going to be detrimental.

960
02:38:54,270 --> 02:39:00,710
It will largely be detrimental with slight a hand in terms of not a lot of cuts in some

961
02:39:00,710 --> 02:39:07,090
places numerically for programs, but then, you know, 26 percent cut in staff and other

962
02:39:07,090 --> 02:39:10,490
hurdles that will exacerbate the challenge.

963
02:39:10,490 --> 02:39:16,470
The other thing is they are coming after the tenant-based rental assistance.

964
02:39:16,990 --> 02:39:22,510
And so I don't want to be a broken record, but it's bad news.

965
02:39:22,950 --> 02:39:26,930
It's detailed bad news, and there's a lot of it.

966
02:39:27,490 --> 02:39:32,290
The other thing to keep in mind just as it relates to COC is there was some discussion

967
02:39:32,290 --> 02:39:38,250
of this executive order that President Trump has signed that basically criminalizes

968
02:39:38,250 --> 02:39:39,750
as people who are homeless.

969
02:39:40,350 --> 02:39:43,270
And I think that will exacerbate

970
02:39:43,590 --> 02:39:46,610
a number of mental health issues, public safety issues.

971
02:39:48,850 --> 02:39:52,810
It's, again, very detrimental policy.

972
02:39:53,530 --> 02:39:56,550
Maybe the one saving grace is that it's an executive order

973
02:39:56,550 --> 02:39:59,710
that's, I think, likely not really something

974
02:39:59,710 --> 02:40:01,470
that can be enforced the same way,

975
02:40:01,530 --> 02:40:04,730
but someone will get hurt by it somewhere soon.

976
02:40:04,730 --> 02:40:11,310
And so I just flag it because it was obviously discussed with COC. That was about it. Sure. Thanks.

977
02:40:12,130 --> 02:40:18,370
Thank you very much. Any other liaison reports? Okay, we'll move on to the report from the County Administrator.

978
02:40:18,950 --> 02:40:27,470
Thank you, Chair. I'll be joined by Brady Peck today. He'll give you an update on our older adults millage. I think he has a couple of slides.

979
02:40:27,470 --> 02:40:36,170
While that gets teed up by just a couple real quick hitters for you all in your inbox should be a mid-year organizational update.

980
02:40:37,010 --> 02:40:53,050
That update is a takeoff on what we've accomplished year to date and it is using or leveraging your information from the conversation that we had setting your priorities as a guide.

981
02:40:53,050 --> 02:40:57,470
So, take a look at that. It's planned to go to the full organization in the morning.

982
02:40:58,330 --> 02:41:04,510
Animal Control, we will be sending a communication with updated data metrics to our partners,

983
02:41:04,910 --> 02:41:09,750
and that will be a precursor to face-to-face discussions that I will have with them

984
02:41:09,750 --> 02:41:17,890
related to having a more balanced funding strategy. Lastly, you heard Shona Terazus

985
02:41:17,890 --> 02:41:21,650
Let's talk this earlier in our meeting about the Townsley Health Tour.

986
02:41:22,250 --> 02:41:24,130
I was a part of that tour this morning.

987
02:41:24,270 --> 02:41:29,690
I want to thank her and she kind of singletary for taking some of their time and some of

988
02:41:29,690 --> 02:41:32,890
their talent to walk me through not only the building but the budget.

989
02:41:33,450 --> 02:41:38,950
And I think that is a tremendous opportunity for this body to lean in and do something

990
02:41:39,710 --> 02:41:40,990
transformational for our community.

991
02:41:41,330 --> 02:41:44,710
So I look forward to having something back for you all to take a look at.

992
02:41:44,950 --> 02:41:46,370
I've talked to the chair about it.

993
02:41:46,370 --> 02:41:50,510
And I think between the two of us, we can co-author something for you all to consider.

994
02:41:51,130 --> 02:41:55,190
So with that, I'll turn it over to Brady, just has a couple of quick slides and that will

995
02:41:55,190 --> 02:41:56,070
conclude my report.

996
02:41:58,040 --> 02:41:58,760
All right.

997
02:41:58,980 --> 02:41:59,480
Thank you, Chair.

998
02:41:59,720 --> 02:42:00,260
Thank you.

999
02:42:02,110 --> 02:42:03,430
Thank you, Administrator.

1000
02:42:04,550 --> 02:42:11,950
So last meeting in July, you all approved the millage operating and operating framework.

1001
02:42:12,590 --> 02:42:16,690
And so here's an update on how we've been operationalizing that over the last month.

1002
02:42:16,690 --> 02:42:22,290
month. So, we posted the Director of Aging Services. We had 78 applicants that closed,

1003
02:42:22,410 --> 02:42:26,210
I believe, yesterday. There's a number of applicants we were extremely excited about.

1004
02:42:28,590 --> 02:42:35,450
We had a transportation RFP that closed last Friday. We received four proposals. Senior

1005
02:42:35,450 --> 02:42:38,830
Center allocations. Those contracts have all gone out to the senior centers. Four

1006
02:42:38,830 --> 02:42:43,150
of them have been executed in those disbursements prior in progress. The remaining six contracts

1007
02:42:43,150 --> 02:42:47,970
projects are in progress. Largely, those centers need to take it to their boards for approval.

1008
02:42:49,830 --> 02:42:54,950
Food bank allocation that is in progress, we are receiving regular invoices from food

1009
02:42:54,950 --> 02:43:00,530
gatherers and the skip allocation is complete and those dollars are out the door.

1010
02:43:01,830 --> 02:43:08,090
Upcoming milestones, Director of Aging Services, we are planning to have the first round

1011
02:43:08,090 --> 02:43:12,910
of interviews later this month, early September, pending schedules for the interview committee

1012
02:43:12,910 --> 02:43:18,130
and also the applicants. Second round interviews if necessary later in September and an offer

1013
02:43:18,130 --> 02:43:24,190
late September, early October to our preferred candidate. Transportation RFP, the team is

1014
02:43:24,190 --> 02:43:28,950
currently scoring those proposals and will bring our funding recommendations back to

1015
02:43:28,950 --> 02:43:35,150
you the next meeting, September 3rd. Senior nutrition program, we're planning to transition

1016
02:43:35,150 --> 02:43:40,390
that to the Office of Aging for the policy framework in Q4 of this year once they

1017
02:43:40,390 --> 02:43:44,050
begin their new fiscal year and also once we have the Director of Aging Services

1018
02:43:44,050 --> 02:43:47,110
on board. With that, any questions?

1019
02:43:52,280 --> 02:43:55,840
Thank you, Ms. Somerville. Yeah, no, I just appreciate the update and I just want to

1020
02:43:55,840 --> 02:44:00,620
thank our staff for all the hard work. Thank you. Thank you. Any other

1021
02:44:00,620 --> 02:44:06,840
questions? Thank you so much. Yeah, a lot of work we've set out for you to do

1022
02:44:06,840 --> 02:44:10,300
and like always, you're rising to the occasion. Thank you. Thank you.

1023
02:44:11,860 --> 02:44:23,200
that concludes my report okay fantastic the next item on the agenda okay yeah so in

1024
02:44:23,200 --> 02:44:30,660
terms of the animal services update that you just gave us what so what can you

1025
02:44:30,660 --> 02:44:33,980
repeat so you were saying basically you're going to start meeting with the

1026
02:44:33,980 --> 02:44:37,300
local jurisdictions what's the timeline on that what are the

1027
02:44:37,300 --> 02:44:38,780
conversations that you're planning to have.

1028
02:44:39,060 --> 02:44:41,860
I mean, we need monies to start flowing

1029
02:44:41,860 --> 02:44:43,540
in those local jurisdictions.

1030
02:44:44,180 --> 02:44:44,580
Correct.

1031
02:44:45,260 --> 02:44:47,480
Right now, it's my plan to make sure

1032
02:44:47,480 --> 02:44:49,780
that those meetings have concluded

1033
02:44:50,420 --> 02:44:52,180
during the month of August.

1034
02:44:52,460 --> 02:44:55,540
So that gives us just a few more weeks to move through that.

1035
02:44:56,040 --> 02:44:57,680
We have updated data and metrics.

1036
02:44:57,880 --> 02:44:59,960
As you all know, I want to leverage

1037
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,500
That information to make sure that we're talking about those conversations in the right way and

1038
02:45:05,500 --> 02:45:12,680
that we're talking about what it will take to effectively fund the animal control program

1039
02:45:12,680 --> 02:45:17,500
in Washtenaw County. And to me, that implies that our community partners are going to step

1040
02:45:17,500 --> 02:45:23,260
up and meet us in the middle on funding. That has not always been the case. I hate

1041
02:45:23,260 --> 02:45:27,780
that I'm saying that in public, but that's really the elephant in the room as we think

1042
02:45:27,780 --> 02:45:33,300
about what comes next. I hope to have an update for you guys at the September third meeting.

1043
02:45:34,200 --> 02:45:37,300
I will look forward to discussing this further on September 3rd.

1044
02:45:39,960 --> 02:45:44,160
I'd like to assure everybody that even though we're discussing it further,

1045
02:45:45,100 --> 02:45:50,300
I don't think it's in anybody's plans to do like the Denmark Zoo. So

1046
02:45:52,060 --> 02:45:57,760
you should just Google the Denmark Zoo and then there you go. Commissioner Light?

1047
02:45:58,680 --> 02:46:05,520
I just wanted to let the administrator know that if he needed any suggestions or recommendations

1048
02:46:06,680 --> 02:46:12,260
with the animal control and with our partners' partnering, I have a lot of them.

1049
02:46:13,380 --> 02:46:16,560
I may need some backup, but I'll come to you for backup soon.

1050
02:46:17,360 --> 02:46:18,100
Okay, great.

1051
02:46:18,880 --> 02:46:22,820
The next item on the agenda is the report of the chair of the board of commissioners.

1052
02:46:23,200 --> 02:46:26,160
And I do actually have something for this evening.

1053
02:46:26,160 --> 02:46:32,260
I've asked Pam Smith to come and talk to us about BOC funding strategies.

1054
02:46:32,620 --> 02:46:37,940
I think we've talked a lot about coordinated funding, coordinated informed funding, etc.

1055
02:46:38,820 --> 02:46:44,120
And it strikes me that sometimes what we've done from the stable is a little bit haphazard.

1056
02:46:44,580 --> 02:46:53,480
So I've asked Pam to come and talk to us with her experience as a major, an organization that

1057
02:46:53,480 --> 02:46:56,640
was a major funder and now a member of our county staff.

1058
02:46:57,400 --> 02:47:00,420
So we can have some ideas about how we want to move forward,

1059
02:47:00,580 --> 02:47:02,040
talk about funding from this table.

1060
02:47:02,300 --> 02:47:04,780
I'm very excited about the conversation

1061
02:47:04,780 --> 02:47:06,400
that's just gonna open for us here

1062
02:47:06,400 --> 02:47:08,740
and super excited to have you here.

1063
02:47:09,140 --> 02:47:10,080
Thank you so much.

1064
02:47:10,260 --> 02:47:11,320
I really appreciate that.

1065
02:47:12,260 --> 02:47:13,500
So thank you.

1066
02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:14,800
My name is Pam Smith.

1067
02:47:14,980 --> 02:47:16,580
I'm the Human Services Administrator.

1068
02:47:16,980 --> 02:47:18,240
Thank you to Commissioner Beaman

1069
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:19,960
for representing New York Township.

1070
02:47:20,380 --> 02:47:21,180
Appreciate that.

1071
02:47:21,180 --> 02:47:27,120
And this conversation was just born out of a number of conversations I had with Chair Scott,

1072
02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:32,100
talking about a wide variety of different kinds of things, post-coordinated funding.

1073
02:47:33,120 --> 02:47:37,120
And so I just kind of wanted to go through a few different funding strategies.

1074
02:47:37,340 --> 02:47:40,420
What we have tonight, although I only have five minutes, I know,

1075
02:47:41,260 --> 02:47:44,340
we do have the luxury of time in talking about this,

1076
02:47:44,420 --> 02:47:49,040
and that's why it was important for me to try to get it in front of you now while we still had time.

1077
02:47:49,680 --> 02:47:55,020
So the new human services partnership, as you know, where do I point this?

1078
02:47:56,680 --> 02:47:58,740
Oh, okay.

1079
02:48:00,720 --> 02:48:01,760
Oh, okay.

1080
02:48:03,960 --> 02:48:06,840
Many of you know about the new human services partnership.

1081
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:10,360
It is set to expire in June 30th of 2027.

1082
02:48:10,740 --> 02:48:18,380
So that gives us about 18 months to really talk to you as the board of commissioners on what you want your strategies to be moving forward.

1083
02:48:18,380 --> 02:48:26,220
It's currently about a $15.2 million investment over five years in a partnership with the city

1084
02:48:26,220 --> 02:48:26,960
of Ann Arbor.

1085
02:48:28,000 --> 02:48:35,860
You agreed to these different focus areas in 2022, safety net, high impact, and mini-grants.

1086
02:48:36,480 --> 02:48:39,240
So those are currently the new Human Services Partnership.

1087
02:48:39,900 --> 02:48:44,380
But it is a significant amount of money, and so it's a great time now to talk about

1088
02:48:44,380 --> 02:48:47,020
strategy and what you want to happen in the future.

1089
02:48:47,780 --> 02:48:52,140
So, I thought some of the great places to begin would be with these options.

1090
02:48:53,400 --> 02:48:58,520
Internal County Coordinated Funding, a lot of you have talked about Coordinated Funding

1091
02:48:58,520 --> 02:48:59,320
and what it had done.

1092
02:49:00,040 --> 02:49:02,360
I did operationalized Coordinated Funding.

1093
02:49:02,440 --> 02:49:08,280
I was on the original committee that launched that and so it was interesting to me when

1094
02:49:08,280 --> 02:49:09,960
I came here to the county.

1095
02:49:10,620 --> 02:49:15,280
I was interested in understanding how much money went out from the county and how

1096
02:49:15,280 --> 02:49:20,780
you all tracked it. So we'll talk about that in a second. A BOC approved focus

1097
02:49:20,780 --> 02:49:26,520
areas. So now in two more years you'll have the chance to say is poverty,

1098
02:49:26,720 --> 02:49:30,460
racism, and trauma where we want to stay? Or is there other things that we need

1099
02:49:30,460 --> 02:49:34,780
to discuss now so we know what we're going to do when the time comes? And

1100
02:49:34,780 --> 02:49:38,140
then a mandated financial review is just kind of a best practice among

1101
02:49:38,140 --> 02:49:42,480
grant makers and funders. So I wanted to put that just kind of in your

1102
02:49:42,480 --> 02:49:51,020
thought process. So what would internal county coordinated funding look like? So

1103
02:49:51,020 --> 02:49:55,000
it would be a coordination across all county department's grant making to

1104
02:49:55,000 --> 02:49:59,460
optimize an understanding and understand really the cross departmental

1105
02:49:59,460 --> 02:50:03,720
investments that are being made. So examples of departments that may

1106
02:50:03,720 --> 02:50:10,840
currently make investments OCD, CMH, administration, the BOC makes investment,

1107
02:50:10,840 --> 02:50:13,740
The sheriff, the treasurer may also make investments.

1108
02:50:14,280 --> 02:50:17,740
So, if we understood where all outgoing funding was going,

1109
02:50:18,140 --> 02:50:20,820
we could really maximize the impact of taxpayer dollars,

1110
02:50:21,140 --> 02:50:22,720
we could reduce duplicative funding,

1111
02:50:23,100 --> 02:50:25,860
and we could more effectively deploy taxpayer dollars

1112
02:50:25,860 --> 02:50:26,600
in our community.

1113
02:50:28,710 --> 02:50:30,050
Just something to think about.

1114
02:50:31,430 --> 02:50:33,690
The BOC approved focus areas.

1115
02:50:34,450 --> 02:50:36,350
So, I think it's really important to think about

1116
02:50:36,350 --> 02:50:38,550
what is the Board of Commissioners,

1117
02:50:38,590 --> 02:50:39,750
is your vision and vision?

1118
02:50:39,750 --> 02:50:43,290
What kind of collective impact do you want to make in the community?

1119
02:50:44,070 --> 02:50:49,510
By being mission and vision aligned, you're going to be able to make more collective impact happen.

1120
02:50:50,230 --> 02:50:52,210
You'll acknowledge that funding is finite.

1121
02:50:52,510 --> 02:51:01,370
I know that you guys get countless requests for dollars, for important initiatives, for new grants, for all kinds of things.

1122
02:51:01,370 --> 02:51:04,490
And when you acknowledge that funding is finite

1123
02:51:04,490 --> 02:51:06,990
and you only have X amount of dollars

1124
02:51:06,990 --> 02:51:08,710
and you have talking points about that,

1125
02:51:08,750 --> 02:51:10,150
it predetermines the spend.

1126
02:51:10,730 --> 02:51:12,890
And I know that there's always going to be

1127
02:51:15,310 --> 02:51:18,970
unplanned and catastrophic pandemics or whatever,

1128
02:51:19,470 --> 02:51:21,010
where things would have to change.

1129
02:51:21,390 --> 02:51:24,410
But you are able to really take the time now

1130
02:51:24,410 --> 02:51:29,030
to think about what areas of focus are really important.

1131
02:51:29,030 --> 02:51:34,650
So, if you stick with poverty, racism, and trauma, that's the current NHSP focus areas.

1132
02:51:35,170 --> 02:51:38,110
You could think about health, education, and financial stability.

1133
02:51:38,590 --> 02:51:42,790
As Administrator Dill says, we are the safety net of the safety net.

1134
02:51:43,210 --> 02:51:45,330
That could be a focus area.

1135
02:51:46,390 --> 02:51:51,470
But when you agree upon the scope, what it really allows you as the Board of Commissioners

1136
02:51:51,470 --> 02:51:56,790
to do to have clear funding award decisions, you'd have improved ability to aggregate

1137
02:51:56,790 --> 02:52:01,190
great outcomes and really rely on impact. You can talk about Washtenaw County as a whole,

1138
02:52:01,650 --> 02:52:06,750
not what is CMH doing, not what is OCD doing, but what is the county? I think Commissioner

1139
02:52:06,750 --> 02:52:11,430
Robbie, you say almost at every meeting, what kind of impact is the county making

1140
02:52:11,430 --> 02:52:16,790
and are you being recognized for it? So I know that there's probably a general fund

1141
02:52:16,790 --> 02:52:21,490
ledger out there somewhere that would tell you where every dollar is being spent

1142
02:52:21,490 --> 02:52:27,150
in the community. I think that would be pretty powerful to know. And then you'd

1143
02:52:27,150 --> 02:52:30,870
have increased transparency for taxpayers on county priorities for human

1144
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:38,050
services. The mandated financial review is just a best practice and it builds on

1145
02:52:38,050 --> 02:52:43,750
the precedent that was set during Washington coordinated funding time. So

1146
02:52:43,750 --> 02:52:48,210
before funds were promised or granted to a partner by the BOC or any

1147
02:52:48,210 --> 02:52:53,190
Department, a complete financial review would be completed before a resolution would be presented.

1148
02:52:54,510 --> 02:52:59,170
You want to do this because you want to test the organization's emphasis on financial stamina.

1149
02:52:59,770 --> 02:53:04,250
You want to know what their operational capacity is. You want to know about sustainability of

1150
02:53:04,250 --> 02:53:11,030
operations. If you make a grant in 2025, are they going to be around in 2026 to make sure

1151
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:16,630
that the program happens? Is there financial accountability, audits, financial reviews,

1152
02:53:16,630 --> 02:53:18,770
and what's the staff expertise like.

1153
02:53:19,270 --> 02:53:20,830
And again, it's not to be punitive.

1154
02:53:21,090 --> 02:53:22,670
It's so you have a better understanding

1155
02:53:22,670 --> 02:53:24,350
before you give someone a check

1156
02:53:24,350 --> 02:53:25,790
of where your dollars are going.

1157
02:53:26,570 --> 02:53:27,890
Benefits of the county then

1158
02:53:27,890 --> 02:53:29,670
is you're mitigating financial risk.

1159
02:53:30,090 --> 02:53:31,310
You're ensuring that the partner

1160
02:53:31,310 --> 02:53:32,810
has the appropriate cash flow.

1161
02:53:33,310 --> 02:53:34,470
You have due diligence

1162
02:53:34,470 --> 02:53:36,610
that demonstrates responsible stewardship

1163
02:53:36,610 --> 02:53:37,690
of taxpayer dollars.

1164
02:53:38,290 --> 02:53:39,930
And for the grantee,

1165
02:53:40,110 --> 02:53:42,030
you have a capacity building opportunity

1166
02:53:42,030 --> 02:53:44,710
that illuminates compliance to best practices

1167
02:53:44,710 --> 02:53:51,490
And it gives them additional information and professional development opportunities as well as areas for attention, possibly.

1168
02:53:53,450 --> 02:53:57,830
So this is just a primer, my grandma probably would say a primer.

1169
02:53:58,610 --> 02:54:02,370
But we have a lot of really great work happening in Washtenaw County.

1170
02:54:02,850 --> 02:54:06,430
We have a tremendous amount of expertise among nonprofit directors.

1171
02:54:06,910 --> 02:54:10,870
They need to be supported. They need to understand what the rules of the game are.

1172
02:54:10,870 --> 02:54:18,730
Like, if you think about in sports, football has a field, soccer has a pitch, basketball

1173
02:54:18,730 --> 02:54:24,050
has a court, right, a baseball has a diamond, but everyone understands when you walk into

1174
02:54:24,050 --> 02:54:28,850
those boundaries of that particular game, you know the rules, you know what you're

1175
02:54:28,850 --> 02:54:31,690
supposed to do when you enter that arena or that court.

1176
02:54:32,170 --> 02:54:38,350
And I think by having some of these things in line, then you will have not only the

1177
02:54:38,350 --> 02:54:41,330
the rules of engagement delineated for people,

1178
02:54:41,570 --> 02:54:43,550
but they'll know how to step into that court

1179
02:54:43,550 --> 02:54:45,570
and deliver top-notch results for you.

1180
02:54:46,510 --> 02:54:48,570
So just food for thought.

1181
02:54:49,070 --> 02:54:51,530
I think there might be some questions.

1182
02:54:52,570 --> 02:54:54,070
And I mean, so colleagues,

1183
02:54:54,250 --> 02:54:56,990
so you know that the idea here was to start this

1184
02:54:56,990 --> 02:55:00,010
is like, this is the beginning of a discussion

1185
02:55:00,010 --> 02:55:00,810
to have like this.

1186
02:55:00,830 --> 02:55:03,590
Because I think we spend a lot of time

1187
02:55:04,370 --> 02:55:06,270
thinking about what we're gonna do

1188
02:55:06,270 --> 02:55:08,610
about funding external organizations

1189
02:55:08,610 --> 02:55:11,330
and sometimes mis-focusing on internal things.

1190
02:55:11,470 --> 02:55:16,070
But I think if we knew the arena field pitch of Diamond

1191
02:55:16,410 --> 02:55:17,710
that we were playing on,

1192
02:55:17,830 --> 02:55:19,790
it would clear up some of those things

1193
02:55:19,790 --> 02:55:22,370
and we would have a good idea as a board.

1194
02:55:22,630 --> 02:55:25,830
And especially the idea of the coordinated funding

1195
02:55:25,830 --> 02:55:26,650
with the county.

1196
02:55:27,230 --> 02:55:29,590
And it might make it clear for everybody

1197
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:32,830
what the county does if we have an idea

1198
02:55:33,770 --> 02:55:35,750
to have that narrative.

1199
02:55:36,270 --> 02:55:45,470
Um, so this is sort of the beginning of a series of conversations. I'm hoping we can have to talk about what our priorities might be and things like that. And I think this.

1200
02:55:45,630 --> 02:55:53,950
I said, like, 5 minutes and it was so good. So, thanks, commissioner Robbie already indicated he's got a question here.

1201
02:55:54,350 --> 02:56:00,290
Section out of question given the late hour, I will just say, I fully support this effort and I fully support everything that you've said.

1202
02:56:00,290 --> 02:56:10,750
This absolutely needs to be done for the county and it would make our ability to do this work, you know, just it would amplify our ability to do this work so much more.

1203
02:56:11,370 --> 02:56:21,210
So thank you for presenting the outlines of what could be a really cool policy and plan for our county. Thank you, chair for bringing this conversation forward. I fully support this effort.

1204
02:56:23,890 --> 02:56:31,270
anything else for for Pam Smith before she okay so much I really appreciate the

1205
02:56:31,270 --> 02:56:35,950
opportunity thank you and obviously it is late and so I'm not gonna you know ask

1206
02:56:35,950 --> 02:56:39,710
anybody to have a protracted conversation but if you would review maybe

1207
02:56:39,710 --> 02:56:43,490
what Pam said here today and start thinking about your own ideas on the

1208
02:56:43,490 --> 02:56:47,970
subject I'll be interested to talk to each and every one of you about next

1209
02:56:47,970 --> 02:56:56,750
sex. Next item on the agenda is a special order of business. So first is a public hearing on

1210
02:56:56,750 --> 02:57:03,390
creating the gross farm historic ordinance. I call the hearing open. Any comments on this hearing

1211
02:57:03,390 --> 02:57:04,190
here at the meeting?

1212
02:57:06,870 --> 02:57:10,970
Okay. I've seen on that public hearing as well as the new public hearing

1213
02:57:10,970 --> 02:57:15,250
on amending the Washington County property assessed clean energy base program. It feels

1214
02:57:15,250 --> 02:57:17,190
It's funny, I'm getting the gable.

1215
02:57:17,770 --> 02:57:20,650
Any comments on that here today for this public hearing?

1216
02:57:22,470 --> 02:57:24,430
Okay, that hearing is closed.

1217
02:57:24,730 --> 02:57:27,150
And finally a resolution to set a public hearing

1218
02:57:27,150 --> 02:57:30,490
on Broadway Park-Brownfield plan for September 3rd.

1219
02:57:30,670 --> 02:57:31,430
Let's just move that.

1220
02:57:31,830 --> 02:57:33,410
Yeah, can somebody move that please?

1221
02:57:33,610 --> 02:57:34,590
No, support.

1222
02:57:35,830 --> 02:57:38,510
And we do have, we can have discussion on that.

1223
02:57:39,250 --> 02:57:40,810
Any discussion on that?

1224
02:57:43,490 --> 02:57:53,930
Okay. That's all those in favor. Please say aye. Does it have to be voice, voice, role? Sorry, I was wrong. I was as soon as they connected. I was like, I knew it was a role. All right, action.

1225
02:57:55,950 --> 02:57:57,190
Commissioner Hodge. Yes.

1226
02:58:00,650 --> 02:58:01,830
Commissioner Labar. Yes.

1227
02:58:02,830 --> 02:58:04,070
Commissioner Light. Yes.

1228
02:58:04,950 --> 02:58:06,730
Commissioner Matiaski. Yes.

1229
02:58:07,570 --> 02:58:08,370
Commissioner Robbie.

1230
02:58:09,690 --> 02:58:10,470
Commissioner Sanders.

1231
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:12,170
Yes.

1232
02:58:13,410 --> 02:58:14,010
Yes.

1233
02:58:15,390 --> 02:58:15,990
Yes.

1234
02:58:17,010 --> 02:58:17,330
Yes.

1235
02:58:17,970 --> 02:58:18,110
Yes.

1236
02:58:19,190 --> 02:58:24,550
Thank you very much. Next item on the agenda is appointments. Would somebody like to move the

1237
02:58:24,550 --> 02:58:24,850
appointments?

1238
02:58:25,370 --> 02:58:27,250
All right.

1239
02:58:30,660 --> 02:58:31,260
Discussion?

1240
02:58:33,000 --> 02:58:33,860
Mr. Robby.

1241
02:58:34,560 --> 02:58:39,920
Just a quick factual correction. This is immaterial probably, but I just wanted to note that Susan

1242
02:58:39,920 --> 02:58:47,640
Susan Bryan is not a reappointment to the position that we are re-appointing her due.

1243
02:58:48,180 --> 02:58:52,060
We are appointing her to the position that was formally held by Susan Lackey who resigned

1244
02:58:52,060 --> 02:58:58,380
mid-term and so she's, Susan Bryan is being appointed to complete the remainder of Susan

1245
02:58:58,380 --> 02:58:59,120
Lackey's term.

1246
02:58:59,640 --> 02:58:59,660
Okay.

1247
02:58:59,780 --> 02:59:03,580
So I just wanted to correct that on the appointment document.

1248
02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:05,660
Okay.

1249
02:59:05,660 --> 02:59:14,120
Okay. Any other discussion? I can do a voice with that one, right? Roll, roll, roll.

1250
02:59:15,840 --> 02:59:17,120
Roll, roll.

1251
02:59:23,960 --> 02:59:25,580
Commissioner LaBar. Yes.

1252
02:59:26,440 --> 02:59:29,960
Commissioner Light. Commissioner Matiasky. Yes.

1253
02:59:30,600 --> 02:59:36,420
Commissioner Robbin. Commissioner Thanders. Commissioner Scott. Yes.

1254
02:59:37,060 --> 02:59:40,400
Commissioner Somerville. Yes.

1255
02:59:40,980 --> 02:59:47,720
Commissioner Beaman. Yes. Commissioner Haas. Yes. Appointments there. Okay, great. Consent

1256
02:59:47,720 --> 02:59:51,740
agenda is the next. Anybody want to move the consent agenda? Move. Thank you. All right.

1257
02:59:51,880 --> 02:59:56,040
All those in favor, I can do a voice vote on that one. All those in favor? Aye. Aye.

1258
02:59:56,040 --> 02:59:59,720
Any opposed? All right, item passes regularly.

1259
03:00:03,020 --> 03:00:10,520
We have no first readings and no final readings. So under three single reading, a resolution authorizing

1260
03:00:10,520 --> 03:00:18,500
the 2025-26, indigent public defense budget compliance plan, b, a resolution ratifying the

1261
03:00:18,500 --> 03:00:23,760
community corrections comprehensive plan, c, a resolution ratifying the submission and

1262
03:00:23,760 --> 03:00:28,760
acceptance of the Michigan health endowment fund behavioral health initiative grant, d,

1263
03:00:28,760 --> 03:00:31,740
resolution authorizing the 2526 state

1264
03:00:31,740 --> 03:00:34,060
child care fund budget from trial

1265
03:00:34,060 --> 03:00:37,920
court e resolution to approve the award

1266
03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:40,880
of two million two hundred twenty five

1267
03:00:40,880 --> 03:00:42,700
excuse me two million two hundred and

1268
03:00:42,700 --> 03:00:44,200
fifty thousand of opioid settlements

1269
03:00:44,200 --> 03:00:48,160
from health department after resolution

1270
03:00:48,160 --> 03:00:50,400
authorizing the creation of an opioid

1271
03:00:50,400 --> 03:00:52,540
settlement advisory committee from

1272
03:00:52,540 --> 03:00:55,380
health department g resolution to

1273
03:00:55,380 --> 03:00:57,700
adopt an ordinance designing designating

1274
03:00:57,700 --> 03:01:03,920
Growing Groves Farm as Washtenaw County Local Historic District, age a resolution authorizing

1275
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:08,500
the application of the Mission Department of Environmental and Environment Great Lakes

1276
03:01:08,500 --> 03:01:15,620
and Energy Grant to support brownfield activities, I resolution accepting the Weatherization

1277
03:01:15,620 --> 03:01:23,040
Assistance Program Pre-Weatherization Grant from OCED, J resolution to accept $25,000

1278
03:01:23,040 --> 03:01:29,020
grant from Huntington Bank for economic stabilization progress, K, a resolution

1279
03:01:29,020 --> 03:01:32,460
allocating budgeted housing and homelessness dollars to support the

1280
03:01:32,460 --> 03:01:38,280
continuing care winter sheltering task force, L, a resolution adopting

1281
03:01:38,280 --> 03:01:43,300
amendments to the Washtenaw County Property Access Clean Energy PACE

1282
03:01:43,300 --> 03:01:45,360
program from resiliency office,

1283
03:01:48,360 --> 03:01:51,560
and a resolution setting the 25 Washtenaw

1284
03:01:51,560 --> 03:01:58,260
county millage rate for here on Clinton Metro Metropolitan Authority from finance and resolution

1285
03:01:58,260 --> 03:02:04,540
up to in the Washtenaw County capital asset policy from finance O resolution to adopt the revised

1286
03:02:04,540 --> 03:02:10,820
Americans with Disabilities Act compliance policy from court counsel P resolution to adopt the

1287
03:02:10,820 --> 03:02:16,920
revised holiday provisions policy from corporation council Q a resolution to adopt the revised

1288
03:02:16,920 --> 03:02:23,680
payment of interns policy from Corporation Council are a resolution celebrating August 26th as Women's

1289
03:02:23,680 --> 03:02:30,380
Equality Day, ask a resolution recognizing Hazel Sanders as Michigan Community Action Volunteer

1290
03:02:30,380 --> 03:02:35,540
of the Year, tee a resolution honoring the life and legacy of Gwen Neistun,

1291
03:02:37,300 --> 03:02:42,920
you a resolution honoring Jennifer McCool upon retirement from Washtenaw County via resolution

1292
03:02:42,920 --> 03:02:49,540
celebrating the 10-year anniversary of the summer works program and approval of claims support

1293
03:03:02,750 --> 03:03:13,410
yeah I believe I did but a resident okay I reread G for the record a resolution to adopt

1294
03:03:13,410 --> 03:03:17,910
the ordinance on the gross farm designation I still support it

1295
03:03:25,930 --> 03:03:29,090
coming, but we'll give to that and we'll give to that.

1296
03:03:29,870 --> 03:03:32,870
What would you like to pull for separate consideration?

1297
03:03:36,210 --> 03:03:39,630
Sometimes you're wrong, but you're not really going to believe me.

1298
03:03:40,530 --> 03:03:42,890
I have to think about this one. Hang on.

1299
03:03:44,130 --> 03:03:47,590
Oh, item H probably? Yeah, what about that one?

1300
03:03:48,330 --> 03:03:53,030
Let's pull that one. And then actually if we could also pull item Q.

1301
03:03:54,650 --> 03:04:01,790
HQ. What do you know? That's the in-term policy. Just those two for me.

1302
03:04:05,370 --> 03:04:11,330
B and C please. B is in Boyd and C is in Charlie.

1303
03:04:23,620 --> 03:04:24,320
That's in the

1304
03:04:24,320 --> 03:04:26,320
Okay, please chair

1305
03:04:30,640 --> 03:04:34,940
in fact. Yes, K is in Katie the name which I believe you also have yes

1306
03:04:38,800 --> 03:04:40,840
I'm sorry, can I add each?

1307
03:04:43,280 --> 03:04:45,280
Oh, sorry, I don't hear that

1308
03:04:57,390 --> 03:04:58,770
Or he did it

1309
03:05:23,210 --> 03:05:28,490
Yeah, thank you. I think that I'm going to support all these. I just have a quick question

1310
03:05:28,490 --> 03:05:33,590
on the opioid settlement funds specifically for,

1311
03:05:35,990 --> 03:05:37,250
I don't have it in front of me,

1312
03:05:37,330 --> 03:05:39,010
but I'd asked you about it earlier, Amanda.

1313
03:05:40,050 --> 03:05:43,550
There was that one company that's doing MAT

1314
03:05:44,470 --> 03:05:46,810
and I believe that they're receiving

1315
03:05:46,810 --> 03:05:49,550
quarter million dollars.

1316
03:05:50,390 --> 03:05:51,690
And I just want to make sure I understand

1317
03:05:51,690 --> 03:05:54,490
what we're giving them money for

1318
03:05:54,490 --> 03:05:55,950
in the sense of, obviously,

1319
03:05:55,950 --> 03:06:00,910
they know what Medicaid-assisted treatment is, but is it because they're a for-profit

1320
03:06:00,910 --> 03:06:09,150
company, are we basically hiring them to provide a specific service for a specific number of

1321
03:06:09,150 --> 03:06:14,110
people? How is that structured through that contact?

1322
03:06:14,830 --> 03:06:21,030
Sure. I will attempt to answer that, Commissioner Robby. And also, I'm joined by Dr. Marquez,

1323
03:06:21,030 --> 03:06:26,490
as our medical director who's been very involved in this work and really has been leading much

1324
03:06:26,490 --> 03:06:26,830
of it.

1325
03:06:28,870 --> 03:06:29,870
Therapeutics, LLC.

1326
03:06:30,250 --> 03:06:31,210
Please chime in, yes.

1327
03:06:31,390 --> 03:06:34,090
Your question is related to Therapeutics, LLC.

1328
03:06:35,650 --> 03:06:44,010
So this is an organization that provides treatment services, particularly in this case, medication

1329
03:06:44,010 --> 03:06:45,030
assisted treatment.

1330
03:06:45,030 --> 03:06:52,910
It also is a what's considered a sudden, sorry, substance use disorder health home.

1331
03:06:53,970 --> 03:06:58,890
And it is an existing provider of these services.

1332
03:07:00,230 --> 03:07:08,630
Many of the services they provide have been typically supported by our local PHP, the

1333
03:07:08,630 --> 03:07:11,290
Community Mental Health Partnership of Southeast Michigan.

1334
03:07:11,290 --> 03:07:21,090
they have experienced quite a bit of funding reductions, and they're no longer supporting this program for people who do not have Medicaid.

1335
03:07:21,290 --> 03:07:34,830
And so what they are requesting in their proposal is to be able to provide MAT, peer support services, telehealth services for people who are not eligible for Medicaid

1336
03:07:34,830 --> 03:07:40,110
and would otherwise not be able to pay or have coverage for these services.

1337
03:07:40,110 --> 03:07:47,090
And I believe they're proposing to serve an additional 40 individuals with treatment services.

1338
03:07:50,350 --> 03:07:54,710
Thank you. How does that... Oh, did you have anything to add?

1339
03:07:54,890 --> 03:08:03,750
Okay. How does that break down in terms of, like, are we paying a normal rate for those services?

1340
03:08:04,390 --> 03:08:10,570
Or, I mean, I'm just trying to ascertain, like, I feel like sometimes with, especially when we get money to nonprofits,

1341
03:08:10,570 --> 03:08:16,370
there's an element of you know sort of like one-to-one service provision that

1342
03:08:16,370 --> 03:08:21,290
we're paying for and there's an element of sometimes of like helping to support

1343
03:08:21,290 --> 03:08:25,630
their administrative costs for the nonprofit and I'm trying to understand

1344
03:08:25,630 --> 03:08:31,630
like because this is a for-profit it's a little bit unusual in my opinion it

1345
03:08:31,630 --> 03:08:38,410
wouldn't be unusual if it were like a contract to provide services so I mean

1346
03:08:38,410 --> 03:08:43,650
if, you know, if their plan is, okay, we're going to serve 40 people, you know, my questions

1347
03:08:43,650 --> 03:08:48,150
are like, how do we determine that those 40 people are, right? Do they have to be Wachnaw

1348
03:08:48,150 --> 03:08:53,230
County residents to receive those services? What are the criteria and then also like,

1349
03:08:53,770 --> 03:09:00,010
what is the cost of providing the care to those 40 people? And does this dollar amount

1350
03:09:00,670 --> 03:09:05,110
100% cover that cost or is there excess that's going somewhere else?

1351
03:09:05,110 --> 03:09:21,680
So, first of all, in terms of who would be eligible to submit a proposal in response to the RFP, there was no – they were eligible to submit a proposal even as a for-profit organization.

1352
03:09:22,440 --> 03:09:31,040
And also, there were obviously requirements amount around the details that they had to provide in terms of a work plan, in terms of a budget.

1353
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:36,220
The review committee that reviewed all of the proposals submitted, reviewed all aspects

1354
03:09:36,220 --> 03:09:43,320
of the proposal, including the budget, and certainly looked at many of the budgets because

1355
03:09:43,320 --> 03:09:48,320
we had way more in requests than we actually had available to fund.

1356
03:09:48,500 --> 03:09:53,960
And so budgets were looked at very specifically, ensuring that the amount that was being

1357
03:09:53,960 --> 03:09:58,300
asked for not only was a reasonable amount for what they were proposing, but also

1358
03:09:58,300 --> 03:10:04,100
So that it really aligned with the priorities that we identified through our needs assessment

1359
03:10:04,100 --> 03:10:07,080
and through what are the allowable expenses.

1360
03:10:08,440 --> 03:10:10,920
So that was all taken into consideration.

1361
03:10:11,140 --> 03:10:16,820
And you'll see that the amount of funding that they're receiving is in line with what

1362
03:10:16,820 --> 03:10:23,360
other programs are receiving, in fact, a little bit less in comparison to some of the programs.

1363
03:10:23,360 --> 03:10:30,620
So, certainly the budget was reviewed and felt to be reasonable in terms of the services

1364
03:10:30,620 --> 03:10:35,160
that they were proposing to provide and the number of people that they were proposing

1365
03:10:35,160 --> 03:10:35,760
to serve.

1366
03:10:36,800 --> 03:10:42,340
But I guess, like, is it a one-to-one, like, are we purchasing services from them?

1367
03:10:43,660 --> 03:10:48,200
We're purchasing, like, treatment services for additional people.

1368
03:10:49,080 --> 03:10:49,760
For 40 people.

1369
03:10:50,000 --> 03:10:50,180
Yeah.

1370
03:10:50,860 --> 03:10:57,480
And the cost of providing services to 40 people is the $200 and whatever thousand dollars.

1371
03:10:57,660 --> 03:11:00,800
And that's just one-to-one the cost of providing the service.

1372
03:11:01,340 --> 03:11:03,400
There's nothing else going anywhere else.

1373
03:11:03,960 --> 03:11:06,840
Do you recall the details of the budget?

1374
03:11:07,060 --> 03:11:08,500
I don't have the details of the budget.

1375
03:11:08,740 --> 03:11:10,960
But obviously it's the service.

1376
03:11:11,320 --> 03:11:16,460
There are always other expenses that kind of go to support the delivery of services.

1377
03:11:16,460 --> 03:11:22,020
But again, from my recollection and looking at the notes, there was nothing unusual or

1378
03:11:22,020 --> 03:11:27,680
out of place in terms of the budget and what they were proposing compared to other programs

1379
03:11:27,680 --> 03:11:28,600
that we reviewed.

1380
03:11:28,880 --> 03:11:34,300
I guess for a future reference in terms of like what I would like love to see is I

1381
03:11:34,300 --> 03:11:39,940
think when it comes to a for-profit company that is presenting themselves for funding,

1382
03:11:40,780 --> 03:11:45,000
it makes me a little bit uncomfortable to fund them in this way.

1383
03:11:45,000 --> 03:11:52,440
I think it would make more sense to have like, I know we did it as an RFP, but like an RFP for

1384
03:11:52,440 --> 03:11:59,560
service and have various bidders that are providing a service applied to be the service providers

1385
03:11:59,560 --> 03:12:07,160
for a, you know, one-to-one service that we're trying to get funded. It's, to me,

1386
03:12:07,260 --> 03:12:13,120
feels unusual to like fund a for-profit company in the context of funding nonprofits and

1387
03:12:13,120 --> 03:12:17,060
and public entities that are applying for a program

1388
03:12:17,060 --> 03:12:22,240
and a fund base, this is, you know,

1389
03:12:22,680 --> 03:12:24,580
so it just feels unusual to me

1390
03:12:24,580 --> 03:12:27,320
that we're giving money to a for-profit entity.

1391
03:12:28,100 --> 03:12:31,200
Again, if the rationalization is there's 40 people

1392
03:12:31,780 --> 03:12:33,640
and this is paying for those 40 people

1393
03:12:33,640 --> 03:12:35,500
to get services over the course of,

1394
03:12:35,560 --> 03:12:36,700
I believe it's two years?

1395
03:12:37,020 --> 03:12:37,300
Three.

1396
03:12:37,520 --> 03:12:40,580
Three years, so I can live with that.

1397
03:12:41,500 --> 03:12:48,720
It's just this format is unusual to me and I feel like there could be a better way of doing it if you wanted to provide opportunities for

1398
03:12:48,720 --> 03:12:52,980
companies to provide services to our residents in that way.

1399
03:12:54,320 --> 03:13:08,060
Thank you for that feedback. I will just point out that they have been funded in the past by community mental health partnership of

1400
03:13:08,060 --> 03:13:14,700
treatment providers in our county and so really I think being kind of broad in

1401
03:13:14,700 --> 03:13:19,120
terms of looking at who are the treatment providers who has a good track

1402
03:13:19,120 --> 03:13:24,920
record and experience providing these services is is important and they they

1403
03:13:24,920 --> 03:13:29,400
have many of those they meet many of those criteria. Yeah and I don't think

1404
03:13:29,400 --> 03:13:33,020
that anything you said I don't disagree with anything you said I think that's

1405
03:13:33,020 --> 03:13:39,620
that may be the case. I just think that making sure that we're, I would like to see us fund

1406
03:13:39,620 --> 03:13:45,240
like if we have a specific number of people that we want served, then we say what companies

1407
03:13:45,240 --> 03:13:49,560
can provide the service. And we put that out and say who can provide the service? Great,

1408
03:13:49,840 --> 03:13:53,500
therapeutics all see. You came in at the lowest bid to provide the service. We'll

1409
03:13:53,500 --> 03:13:57,120
provide, you provide the service. It feels weird that we're saying here's a bunch of

1410
03:13:57,120 --> 03:14:00,270
money. You're saying you're going to do this thing. I know we have that we're

1411
03:14:00,270 --> 03:14:03,370
to see this committee to make sure that they're following through on it, so there are some

1412
03:14:03,370 --> 03:14:07,650
checks and balances, but it just doesn't feel like a normal process for procurement.

1413
03:14:09,610 --> 03:14:17,370
And so whether or not, you know, the PIHP is doing this or the CMH is doing this doesn't

1414
03:14:17,370 --> 03:14:22,890
change my opinion of the guardrail, I feel like that is needed for when for-profit companies

1415
03:14:22,890 --> 03:14:24,130
are asking for public money.

1416
03:14:24,490 --> 03:14:28,170
So I'm going to vote yes, but I have that because.

1417
03:14:28,170 --> 03:14:32,130
Okay, well, yeah, thank you and just for clarification

1418
03:14:32,130 --> 03:14:39,230
Please know that we worked with purchasing through the whole process and followed all of the procurement policies and procedures of the county

1419
03:14:40,830 --> 03:14:46,150
I will just add that I feel really good about the way the RFP process worked on it

1420
03:14:47,130 --> 03:14:48,770
worked for this and

1421
03:14:49,290 --> 03:14:54,610
The proposals were very broad, which is maybe why you're seeing

1422
03:14:54,610 --> 03:14:59,690
I mean, it was, there was an RFP, but it provided a broad,

1423
03:15:00,050 --> 03:15:04,570
There was a number of different ideas that people had out there. So it wasn't like we were

1424
03:15:04,570 --> 03:15:10,850
just saying, give us an RFP to do this one thing. There was an RFP and a number of different

1425
03:15:10,850 --> 03:15:16,070
programs and ideas presented were in wellness. And I'll just have my own little other editorial.

1426
03:15:17,150 --> 03:15:26,030
Some Pete companies that are for profit make less profit than some of places we know in

1427
03:15:26,030 --> 03:15:29,910
towns that are non-profit, big employers, maybe.

1428
03:15:32,590 --> 03:15:34,490
OK, any other questions on that page?

1429
03:15:36,530 --> 03:15:37,070
Thank you, Chair.

1430
03:15:37,570 --> 03:15:38,090
Thank you, Jimena.

1431
03:15:38,190 --> 03:15:38,630
Thank you, Juan.

1432
03:15:39,410 --> 03:15:41,050
I know a lot of work went into getting the recommendations

1433
03:15:41,050 --> 03:15:43,350
to us, so I wanted to thank you and everyone that worked on it.

1434
03:15:43,430 --> 03:15:44,270
Andrew, you worked on it, too.

1435
03:15:44,650 --> 03:15:45,930
And anybody else in the room worked on it?

1436
03:15:47,410 --> 03:15:47,890
Sure, Scott.

1437
03:15:48,390 --> 03:15:49,030
Thank you, too.

1438
03:15:49,330 --> 03:15:51,850
And thank you to everybody that's not there with the camera.

1439
03:15:51,970 --> 03:15:54,090
Thank you to everybody that's not here that worked on us.

1440
03:15:54,190 --> 03:15:55,030
There's a lot of work.

1441
03:15:55,030 --> 03:15:58,950
I appreciate the recommendations, and I'm glad that we're able to move forward.

1442
03:15:59,170 --> 03:16:00,410
I appreciate it.

1443
03:16:00,530 --> 03:16:01,110
Thank you.

1444
03:16:10,810 --> 03:16:13,110
Any further discussion?

1445
03:16:13,590 --> 03:16:14,070
Thank you.

1446
03:16:14,450 --> 03:16:14,770
Thank you.

1447
03:16:15,610 --> 03:16:16,570
Thank you.

1448
03:16:16,590 --> 03:16:20,510
Any other discussion on any other BPD?

1449
03:16:22,670 --> 03:16:23,690
Mr. Rodgers.

1450
03:16:24,390 --> 03:16:25,010
Thank you.

1451
03:16:29,530 --> 03:16:41,250
Jay, I know it's a small grant, but just wondering, I know, I know that we've had some recent announcements about businesses that have closed or that are announcing closure, somewhat related to

1452
03:16:42,530 --> 03:16:44,430
impacts from the pandemic.

1453
03:16:45,350 --> 03:16:48,270
What is that is that what this money is going to be used for.

1454
03:16:48,270 --> 03:16:57,270
And how micro, I mean, 30 businesses, $25,000, not a lot of money for business.

1455
03:16:58,110 --> 03:17:01,430
So it will be used to help stabilize the businesses.

1456
03:17:01,670 --> 03:17:02,530
This is round three.

1457
03:17:02,750 --> 03:17:05,450
We've had two other grants before this that'll help them.

1458
03:17:05,550 --> 03:17:11,690
So this is to help them find technical assistance as far as if they need to add a position.

1459
03:17:11,910 --> 03:17:13,110
How do you need to add a position?

1460
03:17:13,110 --> 03:17:18,810
So it's really looking at 30 of the 80 businesses that we've worked with and as and helping them

1461
03:17:18,810 --> 03:17:23,130
just grow and stabilize. So as far as the grant money, it will go to the technical

1462
03:17:23,130 --> 03:17:26,850
assistance providers and give them a consulting. Okay. Thank you.

1463
03:17:29,270 --> 03:17:33,490
Justin or Commissioner Hodges. Thank you. Hey, that's fine.

1464
03:17:33,750 --> 03:17:37,050
My late night familiarity with table. We're all friends here.

1465
03:17:38,030 --> 03:17:42,050
Thank you. Since you're at the podium, you know, I really appreciate the

1466
03:17:42,050 --> 03:17:43,470
the economic opportunity work that you do.

1467
03:17:43,830 --> 03:17:45,670
And I think if I remember correctly,

1468
03:17:45,750 --> 03:17:47,330
Huntington Bank has been a good partner

1469
03:17:47,330 --> 03:17:48,390
with some of that work

1470
03:17:48,390 --> 03:17:50,690
and that's why we've received this grant multiple times.

1471
03:17:51,150 --> 03:17:52,890
Could you speak about that a little bit?

1472
03:17:53,830 --> 03:17:55,010
What would you like me to say?

1473
03:17:55,630 --> 03:17:57,190
Don't be like, you know,

1474
03:17:57,450 --> 03:17:59,250
about some of the economic opportunity work,

1475
03:17:59,370 --> 03:18:00,290
the small business support,

1476
03:18:01,710 --> 03:18:03,370
the partnership of other things

1477
03:18:03,370 --> 03:18:04,790
that look like those kind of things.

1478
03:18:05,090 --> 03:18:06,790
Okay, so they've been a partner for us

1479
03:18:06,790 --> 03:18:08,330
for about four years now.

1480
03:18:08,490 --> 03:18:10,890
This would be grants that we've applied

1481
03:18:12,490 --> 03:18:13,930
This is the third time applying.

1482
03:18:14,430 --> 03:18:16,650
If we get it, this is the second time that we've gotten it.

1483
03:18:16,970 --> 03:18:19,230
They do capital readiness workshops with us.

1484
03:18:19,310 --> 03:18:21,130
We just did a series in the month of May,

1485
03:18:21,310 --> 03:18:22,350
three workshops with them.

1486
03:18:22,590 --> 03:18:24,270
They've come to our small business expo.

1487
03:18:24,350 --> 03:18:25,510
They've been a sponsor for that.

1488
03:18:25,830 --> 03:18:27,470
They have a couple programs, Lift Local.

1489
03:18:27,650 --> 03:18:28,810
I don't know if you're familiar with it,

1490
03:18:28,810 --> 03:18:30,630
but it helps local businesses

1491
03:18:30,630 --> 03:18:33,350
and it helps low to moderate income entrepreneurs

1492
03:18:33,810 --> 03:18:37,170
get prepared to borrow money, which helps them scale.

1493
03:18:37,530 --> 03:18:38,690
So they've been really good

1494
03:18:38,690 --> 03:18:41,470
at helping our entrepreneurs that have been missed,

1495
03:18:41,470 --> 03:18:46,530
that have been underserved, fulfilling the blank reasons, really be competitive and grow

1496
03:18:46,530 --> 03:18:47,670
and stabilize the business.

1497
03:18:48,690 --> 03:18:49,130
Awesome.

1498
03:18:49,510 --> 03:18:52,450
I'll just take the opportunity again to thank you for the work with the Small Business Expo.

1499
03:18:52,930 --> 03:18:56,290
I got to learn a lot about that there and look forward to going to it next year.

1500
03:18:56,490 --> 03:18:59,050
It's been a huge success and in large part because of your work.

1501
03:18:59,110 --> 03:18:59,510
So thank you.

1502
03:18:59,730 --> 03:19:00,150
Thank you.

1503
03:19:01,630 --> 03:19:03,630
Any other questions or comments on this item?

1504
03:19:04,790 --> 03:19:05,490
Thank you.

1505
03:19:05,830 --> 03:19:06,150
You're welcome.

1506
03:19:06,370 --> 03:19:09,410
Any other questions or comments on any other item then?

1507
03:19:09,410 --> 03:19:13,870
B, C, D, H, K, Q.

1508
03:19:17,000 --> 03:19:21,600
That's great. Let's do a vote. Ashlyn.

1509
03:19:27,960 --> 03:19:28,600
Commissioner Light.

1510
03:19:33,870 --> 03:19:37,370
Yes. Commissioner Muschewski. Yes.

1511
03:19:38,150 --> 03:19:42,070
Commissioner Robbie. Yes. Commissioner Sanders. Yes.

1512
03:19:42,830 --> 03:19:44,410
Commissioner Scott. Yes.

1513
03:19:45,530 --> 03:19:46,370
Yes.

1514
03:19:47,850 --> 03:19:48,250
Commissioner Beaman.

1515
03:19:49,710 --> 03:19:50,890
Commissioner Hodge. Yes.

1516
03:19:52,270 --> 03:19:53,870
Commissioner LaBar. Yes.

1517
03:19:54,630 --> 03:19:55,410
Motion passed.

1518
03:19:55,970 --> 03:19:56,970
Fantastic. Thank you.

1519
03:19:57,470 --> 03:19:59,550
All right, let's go on to item B.

1520
03:20:00,590 --> 03:20:00,910
B.

1521
03:20:02,810 --> 03:20:03,970
Boy, B.

1522
03:20:04,710 --> 03:20:07,510
This is Community Corrections

1523
03:20:07,510 --> 03:20:08,450
Comprehensive Plan.

1524
03:20:08,990 --> 03:20:10,910
Questions, comments, considerations.

1525
03:20:12,010 --> 03:20:12,590
Commissioner Light.

1526
03:20:14,170 --> 03:20:25,230
So just on principle, I am pulling, I wanted to pull B and C for conversation for one until

1527
03:20:25,230 --> 03:20:33,070
the CBI funding has been allocated, those stipends have been allocated, I am going to pull anything

1528
03:20:33,070 --> 03:20:36,510
that has to do with the Sheriff's Office, community corrections, anything I want to

1529
03:20:36,510 --> 03:20:37,090
pull every time.

1530
03:20:37,210 --> 03:20:39,630
So I just want to give everybody the heads up that that's going to occur.

1531
03:20:40,130 --> 03:20:49,110
I wanted to know what is the local funding, what is that, or what's the local funding?

1532
03:20:53,590 --> 03:20:54,290
Yeah, sorry.

1533
03:20:55,150 --> 03:20:58,310
Oh, I was going to, Ashley looked like she was going to answer it, but.

1534
03:20:58,450 --> 03:20:59,230
Oh, okay, okay, sorry.

1535
03:20:59,350 --> 03:20:59,930
So sorry, Chair.

1536
03:21:00,070 --> 03:21:04,250
I just wanted to let you know, Renee Casey, the Community Correction Director is online

1537
03:21:04,250 --> 03:21:05,890
and he's available to answer questions.

1538
03:21:06,090 --> 03:21:06,230
Okay.

1539
03:21:06,290 --> 03:21:06,810
Okay, for permission.

1540
03:21:07,490 --> 03:21:07,590
Okay.

1541
03:21:08,370 --> 03:21:08,650
Sorry.

1542
03:21:09,790 --> 03:21:13,310
Was this pertaining to proposal B or item C or item B?

1543
03:21:13,510 --> 03:21:13,990
Item B.

1544
03:21:14,330 --> 03:21:14,530
My apologies.

1545
03:21:14,590 --> 03:21:20,730
So it was the local funding because it has, you know, the state grant and local funding,

1546
03:21:21,030 --> 03:21:21,570
general funding.

1547
03:21:21,810 --> 03:21:26,470
I just kind of want to know where is the, what's the local funding like?

1548
03:21:27,090 --> 03:21:27,570
Sure.

1549
03:21:27,710 --> 03:21:30,930
I will defer to Manager Casey on that, who is apparently online.

1550
03:21:31,690 --> 03:21:32,170
I am.

1551
03:21:32,290 --> 03:21:33,130
Good evening, commissioners.

1552
03:21:33,270 --> 03:21:35,210
My apologies for not being able to attend in person.

1553
03:21:35,210 --> 03:21:41,130
The local funding is in reference to the County General Fund transfer end that occurs.

1554
03:21:41,850 --> 03:21:51,030
So the original $500,000 and then the additional $500,000 that was agreed upon I believe two

1555
03:21:51,030 --> 03:21:51,550
years ago.

1556
03:21:58,200 --> 03:22:00,400
I couldn't hear really well.

1557
03:22:00,780 --> 03:22:07,180
I just heard that it was the County General Fund and then I didn't hear the rest.

1558
03:22:08,660 --> 03:22:16,520
Yeah, so it was the original 496,000 that the county general fund contributed. And then about three years ago the.

1559
03:22:17,940 --> 03:22:18,480
Can

1560
03:22:21,580 --> 03:22:22,880
you hear me now? Yes.

1561
03:22:24,020 --> 03:22:25,620
I'm sorry. Sorry.

1562
03:22:26,520 --> 03:22:32,940
So the 496 was the original general fund contribution that the county contributed to the community corrections budget.

1563
03:22:32,940 --> 03:22:40,920
In about three years ago the county agreed to increase that with an additional 500,000 to offset some of the deficits we were seeing at the time.

1564
03:22:41,480 --> 03:22:48,400
So that's the total 996 that comes from the general fund that answer your question commissioner light.

1565
03:22:49,820 --> 03:22:51,160
Yes, kind of.

1566
03:22:52,740 --> 03:22:53,260
Yes.

1567
03:22:55,080 --> 03:23:03,660
And then the next thing that I want to say what is the miscellaneous like, what's a few things that might be in that miscellaneous.

1568
03:23:03,660 --> 03:23:07,100
The fees from

1569
03:23:09,300 --> 03:23:16,900
collecting fees from people who are paying for the service institution.

1570
03:23:18,180 --> 03:23:32,580
No, not restitution. It's like supervision fees, people who need copies of their IDs, those kind of miscellaneous fees that we collect that aren't directly tied to a specific program like electronic monitoring or our substance use testing.

1571
03:23:38,120 --> 03:23:43,800
Commissioner Sanders, she said that aren't electronic monitoring that are not.

1572
03:23:44,620 --> 03:23:45,620
Are not.

1573
03:23:47,540 --> 03:23:47,900
Okay.

1574
03:23:48,100 --> 03:23:53,860
Electronic monitoring has its own revenue line, separate and distinct from miscellaneous fees.

1575
03:23:58,240 --> 03:24:06,960
Okay, so did you break down the fees and services or did you just give us the explanation for the miscellaneous?

1576
03:24:06,960 --> 03:24:11,120
That was just the explanation for what could be in the miscellaneous fees.

1577
03:24:11,620 --> 03:24:19,920
Okay, so what might comprise fees and services to the tune of $870,000?

1578
03:24:20,320 --> 03:24:27,120
That would be our electronic monitoring, our contracts that we have with specialty courts, and then our substances testing.

1579
03:24:29,760 --> 03:24:38,920
So I believe I was present at a meeting where the electronic monitoring was being discussed.

1580
03:24:38,920 --> 03:24:47,680
And I'm going to ask the chair to help me with this recollection that at some point there

1581
03:24:47,680 --> 03:24:58,600
was a threat of related to not having enough funding for electronic monitoring and a threat

1582
03:24:58,600 --> 03:25:05,620
of stopping the acceptance of people into the jail.

1583
03:25:05,620 --> 03:25:11,920
because of that into the committee that the discussion was a discussion that they

1584
03:25:11,920 --> 03:25:20,080
had that they were at capacity for people on tether and that they were

1585
03:25:20,080 --> 03:25:26,600
going to say that they couldn't accept more people on tether that was at the

1586
03:25:26,600 --> 03:25:32,260
first meeting of the C.J. Cousine.

1587
03:25:33,300 --> 03:25:38,470
And at that meeting, then we did get that idea to not happen.

1588
03:25:39,800 --> 03:25:44,600
And since that time, the courts have been engaging

1589
03:25:44,600 --> 03:25:49,460
in more vigorous review of their cases

1590
03:25:49,460 --> 03:25:51,980
to try to figure out like just seeing

1591
03:25:51,980 --> 03:25:54,560
if people are still appropriate to be on Tether.

1592
03:25:54,560 --> 03:26:00,440
and that has seemed to be able to control the caseload a little bit better but

1593
03:26:00,440 --> 03:26:06,840
yes that was the initial conversation and part of that was also to like concern

1594
03:26:06,840 --> 03:26:12,380
about what was happening not only with the budget but also I think in terms of

1595
03:26:12,380 --> 03:26:18,180
caseload about what they could handle. So I guess I'm wondering so this

1596
03:26:18,180 --> 03:26:24,200
amount is supposed to be sufficient that we won't be like three minutes in

1597
03:26:24,200 --> 03:26:26,600
and strong-armed into more money?

1598
03:26:27,240 --> 03:26:28,280
I don't think so.

1599
03:26:29,240 --> 03:26:32,720
I think that this amount, Renee, you're still there, right?

1600
03:26:32,820 --> 03:26:36,240
But I think that this amount still has a budget deficit.

1601
03:26:36,500 --> 03:26:38,160
Maybe with this, is that correct?

1602
03:26:39,120 --> 03:26:40,520
Yeah, correct, it could.

1603
03:26:41,020 --> 03:26:45,000
Since we engaged with those original conversations

1604
03:26:45,400 --> 03:26:47,280
and have been meeting regularly with the courts,

1605
03:26:47,640 --> 03:26:49,600
we have definitely seen an increase

1606
03:26:49,600 --> 03:26:52,580
in our revenue collection march until now,

1607
03:26:52,580 --> 03:26:58,240
which has positively impacted what we originally were projecting to be a deficit.

1608
03:26:58,820 --> 03:27:03,260
If we continue those trends, then, yes, this number is much more realistic.

1609
03:27:03,580 --> 03:27:06,780
We would need to continue, you know, to have the partnerships of the courts

1610
03:27:07,260 --> 03:27:12,380
in terms of encouraging individuals who are able to pay to pay their tether piece in the full

1611
03:27:12,380 --> 03:27:18,800
amount. And just real quick in reference to the case size and numbers, Commissioner Scott,

1612
03:27:18,800 --> 03:27:24,400
you're right, that conversation did come about as a capacity. Shortly after those conversations,

1613
03:27:24,500 --> 03:27:29,580
we did see a significant decrease in our case load sizes in the numbers of people that we were

1614
03:27:29,580 --> 03:27:35,940
monitoring on electronics, electronic monitoring. I do just feel the need to say that as of today,

1615
03:27:35,940 --> 03:27:43,720
we're back to 475 active cases. It has skyrocketed in the month of July in the beginning of

1616
03:27:43,720 --> 03:27:50,020
August. So far this week, Monday through Wednesday, we've had 26 new referrals. So we're starting

1617
03:27:50,020 --> 03:27:50,900
to trend back up.

1618
03:27:52,180 --> 03:27:55,960
Yeah, I think we may have expected that over the summer. Commissioner Sanders.

1619
03:27:56,040 --> 03:28:02,840
Okay. Well, I'm just a visitor to those meetings. But I would hope that as a result,

1620
03:28:02,980 --> 03:28:09,400
we will have more transparent and timely communications regarding anything that has

1621
03:28:09,400 --> 03:28:11,440
to do with community corrections.

1622
03:28:12,720 --> 03:28:13,540
Thank you.

1623
03:28:15,260 --> 03:28:16,420
Commissioner Somerville.

1624
03:28:18,220 --> 03:28:18,600
Thank you.

1625
03:28:19,040 --> 03:28:26,280
Renee, would you mind maybe briefly touching on some of the changes that have happened recently that may impact the budget from the state level.

1626
03:28:27,100 --> 03:28:35,440
And then because you maybe share if anything's changed related to like are we seeing an increase in collection of bees for the electronic monitoring.

1627
03:28:36,700 --> 03:28:40,720
We are seeing an increase in the collection rate and the fees, and that was what I was

1628
03:28:40,720 --> 03:28:41,140
referencing.

1629
03:28:41,580 --> 03:28:45,220
You know, since we've really started engaging more with the courts and through the work

1630
03:28:45,220 --> 03:28:51,680
of the CJCC, we have started to see, you know, the deficit close that we were originally

1631
03:28:51,680 --> 03:28:54,060
projecting earlier this year.

1632
03:28:54,640 --> 03:28:58,080
In terms of changes at the state, the biggest change that we're going to see with the

1633
03:28:58,080 --> 03:29:03,680
grant dollars moving into 2526 is that they're no longer going to provide money

1634
03:29:03,680 --> 03:29:09,400
two community corrections to run SUD programming in the community for probationers.

1635
03:29:10,060 --> 03:29:16,200
Back in 2020, the Department of Corrections entered contracts with our PIHPs to make probation

1636
03:29:16,200 --> 03:29:20,440
and parolees priority populations for SUD services in the community.

1637
03:29:21,100 --> 03:29:25,720
Washtenaw County since then has been one of only a handful of counties across the

1638
03:29:25,720 --> 03:29:29,180
state that was still receiving money from the Department of Corrections to run an

1639
03:29:29,180 --> 03:29:35,000
additional SUD program in the community specifically for probationers and they're no longer going

1640
03:29:35,000 --> 03:29:40,460
to do that. They are going to continue to fund SUD services in the jail, but they just

1641
03:29:40,460 --> 03:29:44,060
will not fund the SUD services through the community. So what that means is anybody

1642
03:29:44,060 --> 03:29:47,860
who's on probation, whether it be district court or circuit court, will now have to

1643
03:29:47,860 --> 03:29:51,640
go through the PIHP to engage in treatment services.

1644
03:29:55,060 --> 03:29:59,840
Yeah, thanks for your name. And then I guess kind of a question for you.

1645
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,080
And just want to put it out for the whole board for folks who aren't on the CJCC.

1646
03:30:06,060 --> 03:30:10,020
We haven't had, we have a meeting coming up, I think, on the 15th, yep.

1647
03:30:11,160 --> 03:30:15,600
And we've expressed a desire to be able to take a look a little bit at some of the decisions

1648
03:30:15,600 --> 03:30:21,760
that are being made around how can we identify who's indigent and use those standards to

1649
03:30:21,760 --> 03:30:26,240
require that people are paying for the electronic monitors just because we're going down

1650
03:30:26,240 --> 03:30:30,060
on this path of like, something's gotta give.

1651
03:30:30,620 --> 03:30:34,440
And I know I've asked for some data from the courts

1652
03:30:35,580 --> 03:30:37,800
that we don't know we'll ever get.

1653
03:30:38,000 --> 03:30:40,480
But I'm curious and I don't know if other folks

1654
03:30:40,480 --> 03:30:41,920
on the board are curious,

1655
03:30:42,080 --> 03:30:44,620
but I would like us to see like a breakdown

1656
03:30:44,620 --> 03:30:48,900
of what like offenses are leading

1657
03:30:48,900 --> 03:30:52,100
to an electronic monitor, second offense, third offense.

1658
03:30:52,460 --> 03:30:54,280
Like there, you know, there are different offenses

1659
03:30:54,280 --> 03:30:56,820
that might lead someone to be on an electronic monitor

1660
03:30:56,820 --> 03:30:58,300
and there's also considerations up

1661
03:30:58,300 --> 03:30:59,680
if they're indigent or not.

1662
03:31:00,280 --> 03:31:01,840
And we should consider that

1663
03:31:01,840 --> 03:31:05,020
before we just agree to pay for their electronic monitor.

1664
03:31:05,920 --> 03:31:09,400
No other county in the state I think does what we do.

1665
03:31:09,580 --> 03:31:11,800
And I'm not saying that we shouldn't be mindful

1666
03:31:11,800 --> 03:31:13,580
of people's financial capacity

1667
03:31:13,580 --> 03:31:15,860
but it is gonna be a continual battle

1668
03:31:15,860 --> 03:31:17,180
until we make some decisions

1669
03:31:17,180 --> 03:31:18,520
around how we wanna move forward

1670
03:31:18,520 --> 03:31:19,700
with electronic monitoring.

1671
03:31:20,160 --> 03:31:21,320
And I think a lot of that stems

1672
03:31:21,320 --> 03:31:26,640
from like us being able to identify who's indigent and work that through the process like some time

1673
03:31:26,640 --> 03:31:33,880
between the occurrence of the offense and when a judge orders it and making it known at that time

1674
03:31:33,880 --> 03:31:38,200
either you're indigent or you're not and you will be responsible for this or you won't.

1675
03:31:40,520 --> 03:31:45,580
And I mean even having some level of consideration of like is this their second or third offense

1676
03:31:45,580 --> 03:31:52,820
And like at a certain point, should we, should our taxpayers be just wiping fees for folks,

1677
03:31:52,900 --> 03:31:57,120
especially if it's the third, like, and I don't know, I'm just going off of not having,

1678
03:31:57,200 --> 03:31:59,660
I don't have any information and I don't know how we'll get that information.

1679
03:31:59,980 --> 03:32:04,740
But I do think it would be useful for us to have some better understanding of who's getting,

1680
03:32:05,640 --> 03:32:07,360
at least for electronic monitoring.

1681
03:32:08,120 --> 03:32:10,420
I think that'd be a good place to start.

1682
03:32:11,060 --> 03:32:12,780
So that, yeah, I'm done. Thanks.

1683
03:32:12,780 --> 03:32:12,880
Thanks.

1684
03:32:13,700 --> 03:32:14,440
Thank you.

1685
03:32:14,980 --> 03:32:16,320
Commissioner Beaman.

1686
03:32:17,920 --> 03:32:18,680
Thank you.

1687
03:32:18,840 --> 03:32:20,220
My question is pretty brief.

1688
03:32:20,460 --> 03:32:24,840
I just want to confirm that the state grant dollars are in hand.

1689
03:32:25,120 --> 03:32:26,360
We're not waiting on those.

1690
03:32:28,550 --> 03:32:33,070
We are still at the mercy of the state passing their budget as well.

1691
03:32:33,450 --> 03:32:38,150
But as always, you know, this is contingent on what the state budget ends up being.

1692
03:32:38,150 --> 03:32:44,690
I do feel fairly confident, after speaking with our grant coordinator at the DOC, that

1693
03:32:44,690 --> 03:32:47,770
the 850 that's included in this is wearable land.

1694
03:32:48,410 --> 03:32:51,950
We had requested a little over 900,000.

1695
03:32:52,270 --> 03:32:57,730
We were told that that's not likely possible at all, and we were able to have some conversations

1696
03:32:57,730 --> 03:32:59,230
and negotiate the 850.

1697
03:33:00,890 --> 03:33:01,530
Okay.

1698
03:33:01,730 --> 03:33:02,930
You have greater faith than I.

1699
03:33:03,110 --> 03:33:03,390
Thank you.

1700
03:33:04,950 --> 03:33:05,730
Commissioner Lay.

1701
03:33:07,110 --> 03:33:18,110
I just also wanted to ask that our reported crime rate in the county, it was reported that

1702
03:33:18,110 --> 03:33:23,910
the crime rate has went down in Washtenaw County, which I'm trying to figure out how

1703
03:33:23,910 --> 03:33:28,610
that has occurred and caseloads are going up.

1704
03:33:28,610 --> 03:33:33,170
I, there's, I mean, that's not, the math ain't math.

1705
03:33:33,430 --> 03:33:37,830
So I just wanna know what's going on.

1706
03:33:37,950 --> 03:33:39,410
I mean, because I know personally,

1707
03:33:39,670 --> 03:33:41,770
like I said earlier in public comment,

1708
03:33:42,230 --> 03:33:46,710
there were four shootings in the last two weekends

1709
03:33:47,110 --> 03:33:48,030
in Washtenaw.

1710
03:33:52,920 --> 03:33:53,480
Hello?

1711
03:33:54,000 --> 03:33:56,180
Renee might not have an answer to that question.

1712
03:33:56,460 --> 03:33:59,700
Because Renee is, so just to be fair to her,

1713
03:33:59,700 --> 03:34:03,600
because she's not the one who's reporting that crime's going down.

1714
03:34:03,860 --> 03:34:06,600
So I think it's an observation to make,

1715
03:34:06,640 --> 03:34:09,200
but I don't know that Renee has an answer for us on that.

1716
03:34:09,840 --> 03:34:10,300
Yeah.

1717
03:34:10,500 --> 03:34:10,960
I do not.

1718
03:34:11,100 --> 03:34:11,360
Thank you.

1719
03:34:12,040 --> 03:34:12,220
Yeah.

1720
03:34:13,780 --> 03:34:15,840
But it's an interesting observation.

1721
03:34:18,460 --> 03:34:23,580
May I ask the Sheriff's Communications Director

1722
03:34:23,580 --> 03:34:25,860
to she's here to explain that?

1723
03:34:26,040 --> 03:34:27,600
Sure, if she's willing.

1724
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:32,800
if she's willing. But if not, it's okay. I can just wait for an email.

1725
03:34:33,800 --> 03:34:34,240
Okay.

1726
03:34:36,960 --> 03:34:38,200
I got you, Caroline. You're next.

1727
03:34:41,620 --> 03:34:43,180
Do you need me to re-save the question?

1728
03:34:44,300 --> 03:34:44,680
Yes, please.

1729
03:34:48,000 --> 03:34:52,440
Commissioner Light's question was how we've had a report that the crime rates

1730
03:34:52,440 --> 03:34:57,120
are down in Washtenaw County, but our rates for community correction

1731
03:34:57,120 --> 03:35:00,580
in the first skyrocketing in I think the jail population too.

1732
03:35:01,120 --> 03:35:03,200
So she's just wondering about the confluence

1733
03:35:03,200 --> 03:35:04,120
of those two numbers.

1734
03:35:04,420 --> 03:35:09,220
So what I can share is that the public safety update data

1735
03:35:09,220 --> 03:35:11,380
that you received and received from the sheriff

1736
03:35:12,060 --> 03:35:14,160
is based on January through June,

1737
03:35:14,660 --> 03:35:16,840
and it is also based on those areas

1738
03:35:16,840 --> 03:35:19,360
where the Washtenaw County Sheriff's Office contracts.

1739
03:35:19,900 --> 03:35:22,580
So it does not include anything outside of those areas

1740
03:35:22,580 --> 03:35:25,060
and nothing after May 31st.

1741
03:35:25,060 --> 03:35:27,780
So, while that does not speak to the specific

1742
03:35:27,780 --> 03:35:31,860
uh, statistic that you're referring to or the incidence over the last two weeks,

1743
03:35:31,860 --> 03:35:35,820
the data that was shared out is specific to contract areas

1744
03:35:35,820 --> 03:35:39,420
and specific for January 1 through May 31st.

1745
03:35:41,540 --> 03:35:44,400
So, if there was some sort of like demographic

1746
03:35:46,360 --> 03:35:51,300
correlation, then you would say the places where people are

1747
03:35:51,980 --> 03:35:55,020
entering into the community corrections or carceral system

1748
03:35:55,020 --> 03:35:59,960
Are not from the contracted areas. No, I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that at all

1749
03:35:59,960 --> 03:36:07,100
I think commissioners summer rail asked a good question in terms of what types of charges are coming

1750
03:36:07,660 --> 03:36:11,060
But I think that's data that I don't personally have this evening

1751
03:36:11,060 --> 03:36:14,440
So I couldn't answer that but I wouldn't I would not say that

1752
03:36:14,440 --> 03:36:21,060
The data is only coming the data relates to community corrections is only coming from contract areas. No, okay

1753
03:36:21,060 --> 03:36:21,260
Okay.

1754
03:36:23,240 --> 03:36:23,800
Okay.

1755
03:36:23,880 --> 03:36:23,980
Okay.

1756
03:36:24,320 --> 03:36:24,420
Okay.

1757
03:36:24,660 --> 03:36:25,340
Thank you.

1758
03:36:25,600 --> 03:36:26,040
Yeah, absolutely.

1759
03:36:26,300 --> 03:36:27,160
Commissioner Sanders?

1760
03:36:27,680 --> 03:36:33,720
Just to add on to Commissioner Somerville that I don't believe that we should be waiving.

1761
03:36:35,260 --> 03:36:40,760
Fees I think that there's an opportunity for us to put fees and penalties in advance

1762
03:36:42,760 --> 03:36:44,980
because your circumstance may change.

1763
03:36:44,980 --> 03:36:55,680
so you may be indigent one day and a millionaire another day I would rather see

1764
03:36:55,680 --> 03:37:05,040
us I think for the sake of our taxpayers put debts in abeyance so that we have

1765
03:37:05,040 --> 03:37:13,240
the opportunity to recoup them if circumstances change and possibly you put

1766
03:37:13,240 --> 03:37:20,980
time limit on it, but I don't believe that unless you are indigent, I don't believe that

1767
03:37:20,980 --> 03:37:25,540
the burden should be placed on the backs of the taxpayers for your bad behavior.

1768
03:37:29,120 --> 03:37:32,180
Any other comments, questions, and concerns on this item?

1769
03:37:34,910 --> 03:37:36,590
You can, Commissioner Simon.

1770
03:37:36,910 --> 03:37:37,430
Yeah, thanks.

1771
03:37:37,570 --> 03:37:39,450
I just want to thank Renee for all of her hard work.

1772
03:37:39,910 --> 03:37:44,610
It has been a couple of years of just constant, I think, stress related to the funding

1773
03:37:45,870 --> 03:37:50,990
for monitoring specifically and so I just want to say I appreciate all the work

1774
03:37:50,990 --> 03:37:56,950
that you're doing and your interest in improving this with us. Thank you. Thank

1775
03:37:56,950 --> 03:38:02,610
you. I agree. Thank you Renee. You sound like you might be getting over maybe

1776
03:38:02,610 --> 03:38:06,750
feeling under the weather so I appreciate you being here at 10 to 11

1777
03:38:06,750 --> 03:38:12,790
at night. I do think that there are still a lot of questions people have

1778
03:38:12,790 --> 03:38:18,190
about community corrections and even what it means to have community corrections as part

1779
03:38:18,190 --> 03:38:22,770
of the carceral system, those communication or conversations are ongoing.

1780
03:38:24,710 --> 03:38:31,470
All right, any other items now for discussion other than, oh wait, we are on the item, sorry,

1781
03:38:31,630 --> 03:38:41,090
that was B. Any other, any questions on B? All right, let's just do B and then we'll go to C.

1782
03:39:19,460 --> 03:39:25,800
Thank you very much. Now we're on to see questions comments or considerations on item C.

1783
03:39:25,800 --> 03:39:28,560
question or light as

1784
03:39:31,440 --> 03:39:37,420
in public comment we had a mom to come and to inform us

1785
03:39:37,420 --> 03:39:48,000
about some health issues that her son is having and he is now in the county jail

1786
03:39:48,000 --> 03:39:58,660
and I believe that these grant funds are supposed to support behavioral and

1787
03:39:59,180 --> 03:40:05,360
mental health, and it all ties in and goes to our sheriff's office. And so if these funds,

1788
03:40:05,740 --> 03:40:14,880
I just want to make sure that if I'm going to vote yes on this item that the services

1789
03:40:14,880 --> 03:40:20,160
that are needed in the jail are going to be received. And so I'm just, I just kind

1790
03:40:20,160 --> 03:40:26,960
of want some assurance that we're going to make sure we're utilizing funds and

1791
03:40:26,960 --> 03:40:35,100
grants appropriately because that that's concerning and I just want to make sure

1792
03:40:35,100 --> 03:40:42,260
that we're doing that so I just need some kind of blanket to make me feel that or

1793
03:40:42,260 --> 03:40:47,080
you know something to justify to say like hey yeah we're using funds the way

1794
03:40:47,080 --> 03:40:51,200
they should be because in the past that hasn't been I'm just gonna say CVI

1795
03:40:52,180 --> 03:40:58,260
Sure. Sorry, I don't do great with feedback. Your feedback is very welcome to that type of

1796
03:40:58,260 --> 03:41:06,280
feedback, Lesso. Yes. While I need to be careful about the confines of my particular role within

1797
03:41:06,280 --> 03:41:11,300
the organization, yes, I'm an executive analyst in the organization. I prepared this grant,

1798
03:41:11,460 --> 03:41:17,440
which is why I'm here today. I definitely take those concerns very seriously and will

1799
03:41:17,440 --> 03:41:20,940
make sure that they are reported appropriately within the organization to the people who

1800
03:41:20,940 --> 03:41:28,100
can, whose role it is to have that occur. As it is for this particular grant, the thing

1801
03:41:28,100 --> 03:41:32,620
that was really motivating for me, when we have been speaking with individuals who are

1802
03:41:32,620 --> 03:41:38,700
incarcerated in the jail, we identified, it's about three in five, so it's 61.5%

1803
03:41:38,700 --> 03:41:43,660
of the individuals in our jail when we do our screenings have some sort of a mental

1804
03:41:43,660 --> 03:41:49,400
mental health diagnosis. The amount and the rates of all types of disabilities, but especially

1805
03:41:50,020 --> 03:41:55,320
mental health, it is profound. And the needs are immense. And we need to make sure that

1806
03:41:55,320 --> 03:42:00,800
we're providing the appropriate programming to help people. This is a type of intervention.

1807
03:42:01,380 --> 03:42:05,840
I would create a peer support program inside of the jail that would go over some psycho

1808
03:42:05,840 --> 03:42:09,400
education pertaining to trauma. One of the challenges we have is we have a very

1809
03:42:09,400 --> 03:42:14,340
short amount of time that people are incarcerated. I mean that's a very good thing on average

1810
03:42:14,340 --> 03:42:19,360
but we'd rather that than longer. But it does make some of the service delivery kind of challenging

1811
03:42:19,360 --> 03:42:23,880
when you have people for weeks on average instead of longer. So we did want to make

1812
03:42:23,880 --> 03:42:27,360
sure that when people came there was some sort of programming for people to get the

1813
03:42:27,360 --> 03:42:31,260
information about trauma especially given the very high rates of depression, anxiety

1814
03:42:31,260 --> 03:42:38,360
and PTSD. So that is what we were looking to really do with that was to create

1815
03:42:38,360 --> 03:42:42,840
peer support programming. So that's what that is there for. I think that's an appropriate use

1816
03:42:42,840 --> 03:42:50,640
of funding. I mean, obviously, you know, I think it's incredibly important given just

1817
03:42:50,640 --> 03:42:53,820
the very high needs and the very high rates of mental health challenges.

1818
03:42:55,840 --> 03:43:05,340
Commissioner Lai, go ahead. So with this funding, with the organization, was it life after

1819
03:43:05,340 --> 03:43:14,460
incarceration date or later yeah with this funding be something to be able to

1820
03:43:14,460 --> 03:43:19,880
bring them back because those services were provided by them and so if this

1821
03:43:19,880 --> 03:43:26,040
grant if you've already seen this grant then why couldn't we utilize those

1822
03:43:26,040 --> 03:43:30,820
services because I mean they you know they were there and the services were

1823
03:43:30,820 --> 03:43:36,760
working in all of those areas. And so I just want to know if that's something that –

1824
03:43:36,760 --> 03:43:41,940
Sure. So I can't speak to specific prior relatives that pertains to that, but I can

1825
03:43:41,940 --> 03:43:45,620
say the way that the vendor selection would work for this particular application.

1826
03:43:46,280 --> 03:43:51,900
One of the requirements in the funding criteria for this RFP for the grant funder – and I

1827
03:43:51,900 --> 03:43:55,120
agree with this. I think it's a good idea – is to make sure that the people who are

1828
03:43:55,120 --> 03:43:59,120
most impacted actually have a say so in the way that the program is designed. And one of

1829
03:43:59,120 --> 03:44:03,380
ways that we attempted to meet this criteria in our application was to have people who are incarcerated

1830
03:44:04,040 --> 03:44:09,920
work with frontline workers, with some members of our administrative staff, and that would

1831
03:44:09,920 --> 03:44:15,720
actually be the RFP selection committee. So I don't want to speak on behalf of the, you know,

1832
03:44:15,980 --> 03:44:20,840
of the people who, the agency we are trying to promote. Part of the way that they will exercise

1833
03:44:20,840 --> 03:44:24,380
their agency over this program is to have a direct say in evaluating who we should

1834
03:44:24,380 --> 03:44:29,880
move forward with so so there will be a RFP it's not already it hasn't yeah and

1835
03:44:29,880 --> 03:44:32,840
we just to be clear we have not actually received this funding we are a

1836
03:44:32,840 --> 03:44:40,620
finalist for it but yes okay thank you commissioner summerville yeah I'm sorry

1837
03:44:40,620 --> 03:44:45,720
wait I'm sorry I did it out of order is it okay sorry I was like it's an ass

1838
03:44:45,720 --> 03:44:53,680
it's an ass summerville Sanders Beeman can you just maybe give us some

1839
03:44:53,680 --> 03:44:57,600
background on envisioning justice solutions. Are they based out of California?

1840
03:44:58,260 --> 03:44:59,960
Yes, so envisioning justice...

1841
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:01,860
Justice solutions is the,

1842
03:45:03,880 --> 03:45:08,920
Dr. Nasina, whose first name is unfortunately eluding me, but

1843
03:45:08,920 --> 03:45:16,640
it should be in there somewhere, actually created a lot of the methodology for how the interventions

1844
03:45:16,640 --> 03:45:27,580
that are proposed by this are actually evaluated. So as part of the grant proposal, a very small

1845
03:45:27,580 --> 03:45:34,600
amount of dollars that was not put in for her to actually provide some level of technical

1846
03:45:34,600 --> 03:45:38,520
assistance for us to understand how we should be measuring the success of the program.

1847
03:45:39,060 --> 03:45:44,640
So we are following their actual model for evaluating the actual success of this.

1848
03:45:44,860 --> 03:45:51,380
So they have a variety of tests and pre-tests and post-tests and other evaluation methods

1849
03:45:51,380 --> 03:45:57,400
that they do to actually make sure that this is helping people's PTSD, anxiety, depression,

1850
03:45:57,600 --> 03:46:02,520
symptoms, et cetera. So we would be looking to replicate that and thought it would be very

1851
03:46:02,520 --> 03:46:07,880
beneficial to be able to have some support from the people who have actually done those

1852
03:46:07,880 --> 03:46:14,300
evaluations prior. Okay. Another follow-up question. So like in the application, there's

1853
03:46:14,300 --> 03:46:21,800
a list of organizations that you collaborate with on reentry services, a brighter way,

1854
03:46:22,020 --> 03:46:27,740
corner health, SOS, home of new vision. But we have existing reentry partnerships with

1855
03:46:27,740 --> 03:46:32,440
Avalon too. So I guess are these just like, why are these ones listed but not?

1856
03:46:34,000 --> 03:46:38,340
That may have well been, yeah, I don't have a specific answer to why that would have

1857
03:46:38,340 --> 03:46:38,540
happened.

1858
03:46:38,540 --> 03:46:47,300
I was just curious what led and then I guess my final question slash just comment is I guess

1859
03:46:47,300 --> 03:46:52,700
we're looking at the application and we have to approve applications all the time and we've

1860
03:46:52,700 --> 03:46:57,200
had situations where we've approved something and then like fast forward to a year or two

1861
03:46:57,200 --> 03:47:00,480
later something that was in the applications not actually being executed.

1862
03:47:00,880 --> 03:47:07,340
So I guess just thinking forward how are we going to make sure that this application

1863
03:47:07,340 --> 03:47:15,700
that we're approving, like, how are we going to know, because it's my understanding that things

1864
03:47:15,700 --> 03:47:22,400
can change later and we don't get to go back through this process. So I'm just kind of like

1865
03:47:22,940 --> 03:47:27,700
trying to get a better understanding of the commitment to what's in this application

1866
03:47:28,900 --> 03:47:32,100
and if we should anticipate that anything will change.

1867
03:47:32,100 --> 03:47:43,920
Sure. I guess one level, I don't want to speak outside of my role, you know, as it pertains to the way that we do this as a general practice.

1868
03:47:44,560 --> 03:47:56,500
I will say that I have a deep personal and emotional commitment after speaking with the people who, you know, are most impacted to do everything that I can to be able to ensure that people are receiving the care that they need.

1869
03:47:56,500 --> 03:48:02,720
that, you know, to me is something that is incredibly just resonant and important work.

1870
03:48:03,380 --> 03:48:12,180
I cannot personally, you know, I don't, as far as the actual ways in which the structure,

1871
03:48:12,500 --> 03:48:18,140
you know, may change moving forward, that is not something that I have anticipated.

1872
03:48:19,600 --> 03:48:24,340
But as far as the actual, if there are more specific things that you may want to hear

1873
03:48:24,340 --> 03:48:28,440
We're about to be happy to run that up to the people who are more able to have those

1874
03:48:28,440 --> 03:48:28,920
communications.

1875
03:48:30,540 --> 03:48:31,000
Okay.

1876
03:48:34,280 --> 03:48:39,800
No, I just think it's like a general feeling of like how do we know and I think just having

1877
03:48:39,800 --> 03:48:45,440
more background on like the relationship with envisioning justice solutions and the organizations

1878
03:48:45,440 --> 03:48:46,360
that were listed.

1879
03:48:46,900 --> 03:48:50,400
But I think the way you respond to this fine and understand that you can answer

1880
03:48:50,920 --> 03:48:53,080
every detail of every question that we're asking.

1881
03:48:53,960 --> 03:49:02,100
I'm just generally curious, and I did pull up Envisioning Justice Solutions and look a little bit into them, but yeah.

1882
03:49:02,660 --> 03:49:02,960
Yep.

1883
03:49:03,220 --> 03:49:03,880
So thank you.

1884
03:49:04,140 --> 03:49:04,400
Of course.

1885
03:49:05,180 --> 03:49:14,220
Now I'm going to look at Commissioner Somerville and say Commissioner Sanders, the way I looked at Commissioner Sanders and said Commissioner Somerville and Commissioner Sanders.

1886
03:49:16,760 --> 03:49:31,840
So you said that you have included in this process residents who would be affected by

1887
03:49:31,840 --> 03:49:38,960
this reentry programming. I've got a question about how those individuals were selected.

1888
03:49:38,960 --> 03:49:47,300
it. I also just want to make a comment that I'm just wondering out loud, you know, Michigan

1889
03:49:47,300 --> 03:49:52,240
and California are starkly different. So it seems like we're going across the country

1890
03:49:53,000 --> 03:49:59,220
to find experts and I'm just wondering out loud you may not be able to answer this.

1891
03:50:06,780 --> 03:50:07,340
You

1892
03:50:09,280 --> 03:50:15,260
to spend our money. But more importantly, I really was interested in knowing how were

1893
03:50:15,260 --> 03:50:17,800
those individuals selected?

1894
03:50:18,320 --> 03:50:23,700
Sure. And the answer is that they have not yet. That would occur upon awarding of the

1895
03:50:23,700 --> 03:50:28,920
funding, which has not occurred yet. And we would anticipate that that would be in

1896
03:50:28,920 --> 03:50:35,000
the second and third month of the actual program itself. Before doing any of that,

1897
03:50:35,000 --> 03:50:40,700
There's some administrative work that we would need to do in terms of how we would make those determinations as to who would be included on such a thing.

1898
03:50:41,280 --> 03:50:52,060
So I have not, you know, made a term, we have not made a determination as to who would specifically be included in such a committee to answer the second question.

1899
03:50:52,060 --> 03:50:52,600
is that okay?

1900
03:50:54,720 --> 03:50:59,780
There are specific interventions we are doing called Healing Trauma Plus and

1901
03:50:59,780 --> 03:51:06,600
Exploring Trauma Plus. Those are specifically selected because they are six sessions long,

1902
03:51:06,820 --> 03:51:13,000
so we can do three per week for a couple of weeks and actually have this be a program

1903
03:51:13,000 --> 03:51:17,340
that people could realistically get through while they are incarcerated in a jail, given

1904
03:51:17,340 --> 03:51:19,820
in the shorter length of stay compared to other types of programming.

1905
03:51:20,860 --> 03:51:28,040
There unfortunately are not many people who have evaluated a variety of the types of interventions

1906
03:51:28,040 --> 03:51:36,320
that have occurred in these sorts of settings, but Dr. Messina had done so for this specific

1907
03:51:36,320 --> 03:51:41,080
intervention and had found that to be, in addition to, there have been also some replication,

1908
03:51:41,440 --> 03:51:45,820
but have found it to be effective in reducing between 90 and 100 percent of symptoms that

1909
03:51:45,820 --> 03:51:48,080
that they had tested for, depending on the study.

1910
03:51:48,660 --> 03:51:50,340
So what we are really looking more so to do

1911
03:51:50,340 --> 03:51:54,220
is to have Dr. Nassima from New Virginia Justice Solutions

1912
03:51:54,220 --> 03:51:57,480
provide technical assistance for our team,

1913
03:51:57,700 --> 03:51:59,540
which will include a vendor that is local,

1914
03:51:59,860 --> 03:52:03,940
really leading and us co-creating the actual work.

1915
03:52:04,540 --> 03:52:07,240
So that's more so a resource for someone,

1916
03:52:08,240 --> 03:52:12,560
for our more local team to be able to have help

1917
03:52:12,560 --> 03:52:19,420
from a, in terms of doing the actual analysis from someone who has done it.

1918
03:52:20,520 --> 03:52:25,040
So I'm not sure if you were here earlier, but I actually had a constituent who has been

1919
03:52:25,520 --> 03:52:33,880
in contact with me about her son who is experiencing some issues and is currently incarcerated

1920
03:52:34,580 --> 03:52:35,540
in our jail.

1921
03:52:35,880 --> 03:52:40,560
And I guess what I want to say because I have a bit of a bad taste in my mouth

1922
03:52:40,560 --> 03:52:51,620
about the CVI and us not honoring our agreement basically, but more importantly, having the

1923
03:52:51,620 --> 03:52:59,200
Board of Commissioners as the approver of these grants be seen in a bad light because essentially

1924
03:52:59,200 --> 03:53:04,960
the Sheriff's Department decided that they wanted to do something different with a grant

1925
03:53:04,960 --> 03:53:15,720
that they were not the original initiator of and we're coming in at the end of the grant

1926
03:53:16,480 --> 03:53:21,580
and deciding that they were going to change it up. So that has left a bad taste in my mouth

1927
03:53:22,160 --> 03:53:27,660
because I don't appreciate having us look as though we are not keeping our word

1928
03:53:27,660 --> 03:53:32,780
to our own community. It's not a good look. It was something that

1929
03:53:34,960 --> 03:53:42,740
I'm going to say was petty and could have just been you know it just wasn't necessary to sort of

1930
03:53:42,740 --> 03:53:51,320
rescind an agreement so I'm saying that because this is a grant you are asking the commissioners to

1931
03:53:51,320 --> 03:54:03,760
approve it and I want to make sure that there is full transparency so if we're if you are selected

1932
03:54:03,760 --> 03:54:16,900
if this is approved and you are selected for this grant and we ask for information or the general public wants to know basically every step that you're taking, you have a responsibility to provide that information.

1933
03:54:17,500 --> 03:54:19,460
So I just want to put that on the record.

1934
03:54:20,140 --> 03:54:20,880
Thank you.

1935
03:54:20,900 --> 03:54:21,900
I appreciate that.

1936
03:54:22,080 --> 03:54:23,360
You're answering our questions.

1937
03:54:24,000 --> 03:54:24,420
Thank you.

1938
03:54:27,240 --> 03:54:27,920
Thank you.

1939
03:54:28,300 --> 03:54:28,640
Commissioner Beaman.

1940
03:54:29,920 --> 03:54:31,120
Mine's just really quick.

1941
03:54:31,780 --> 03:54:35,280
For the in kind of revenue, can you speak to that?

1942
03:54:35,280 --> 03:54:46,240
Sure. So we needed to essentially, when we're doing a grant application, one of the ways that you get evaluated is in terms of what level of resources you are actually providing as well.

1943
03:54:47,380 --> 03:54:58,460
We wanted to make sure that we were accurately looking into the staff time. There are no additional financial expenditures that occur as a result of this grant. There's nothing of that nature.

1944
03:54:58,460 --> 03:55:07,560
But things in terms of, for example, there are going to be as the grant is proposed, about 260 of these total classes that would occur.

1945
03:55:08,560 --> 03:55:15,660
Corrections officers have to take people from their housing unit to the actual location and fill out the paperwork.

1946
03:55:15,840 --> 03:55:17,580
That's about an hour of time for each of those.

1947
03:55:18,080 --> 03:55:22,640
It's going to take a few hours a week from our, you know, leadership within corrections.

1948
03:55:22,880 --> 03:55:23,760
We have to account for that.

1949
03:55:24,260 --> 03:55:27,740
If we're doing an RFP, someone's got to write it, so we have to account for that.

1950
03:55:27,820 --> 03:55:40,420
And by the time you factor in all of those sorts of administrative requirements of a program like this, it came out to about that 160 in some change figure for salaries and fringe over the two-year period of the grant.

1951
03:55:42,020 --> 03:55:42,620
Of course.

1952
03:55:45,180 --> 03:55:48,020
Any other questions, comments or concerns?

1953
03:55:50,920 --> 03:55:58,720
And my only observation is that I'm surprised that six sessions in two weeks produces such

1954
03:55:58,720 --> 03:55:59,240
a change.

1955
03:55:59,400 --> 03:56:05,200
And I'm wondering if there's any longitudinal study about that change, that seems awfully

1956
03:56:05,200 --> 03:56:05,560
quick.

1957
03:56:06,320 --> 03:56:09,840
Can I find a therapy session that will do that for me, because I haven't yet.

1958
03:56:11,140 --> 03:56:12,660
No, that's a very good point.

1959
03:56:13,120 --> 03:56:15,780
I have not seen anything longitudinal in the literature.

1960
03:56:15,780 --> 03:56:16,500
Yeah.

1961
03:56:18,520 --> 03:56:27,660
Will, I want to thank you for being here and being so eager to answer the questions and have that us ask you those things.

1962
03:56:28,300 --> 03:56:31,040
I will say I wish your boss was here too.

1963
03:56:31,700 --> 03:56:38,040
I think it would probably be easier for you in some ways to have her be able to answer some of the questions you couldn't.

1964
03:56:39,520 --> 03:56:43,120
So that being said, any other questions, comments or concerns on the item?

1965
03:56:43,120 --> 03:56:46,900
All right. Let's do a roll.

1966
03:56:49,720 --> 03:56:59,220
Commissioner Robby. Yes. Commissioner Sanders. No. Commissioner Scott. Yes. Commissioner Somerville.

1967
03:57:01,540 --> 03:57:14,940
Yes. Commissioner Beeman. Yes. Commissioner Hobbs. Yes. Commissioner LaBarna. Yes. Commissioner Light. No. Commissioner Mashayevsky. Yes.

1968
03:57:15,760 --> 03:57:16,680
Motion passed.

1969
03:57:17,140 --> 03:57:17,640
Thank you.

1970
03:57:17,940 --> 03:57:19,040
On to item D.

1971
03:57:19,920 --> 03:57:24,060
This is a child, a state child care fund from the child court.

1972
03:57:24,780 --> 03:57:27,860
Questions, comments or concerns here on the B.

1973
03:57:33,930 --> 03:57:35,130
Commissioner Sanders.

1974
03:57:36,230 --> 03:57:37,430
Tell me everything.

1975
03:57:40,170 --> 03:57:41,850
Where do you want us to start?

1976
03:57:42,270 --> 03:57:43,470
I got to 5 a.m.

1977
03:57:43,830 --> 03:57:48,490
That was not funny.

1978
03:57:50,490 --> 03:57:55,230
We've come carelessly close to that before, too soon, too soon.

1979
03:57:56,850 --> 03:58:02,790
Okay, so tell, just help me understand or help me understand for the sake of, you know,

1980
03:58:02,830 --> 03:58:05,810
any of our residents that may know nothing about us.

1981
03:58:06,510 --> 03:58:10,210
This funding is utilized to do what?

1982
03:58:11,110 --> 03:58:15,790
To make sure that the kids that are coming in our system don't make it into the criminal

1983
03:58:15,790 --> 03:58:17,130
justice system as adults.

1984
03:58:17,990 --> 03:58:18,910
That's the goal.

1985
03:58:19,250 --> 03:58:19,650
Okay.

1986
03:58:19,730 --> 03:58:24,590
We're trying to stop the trajectory of the system because we're failing terribly.

1987
03:58:24,630 --> 03:58:25,230
Yes.

1988
03:58:25,350 --> 03:58:29,930
So listening to that gentleman earlier tonight, we're with him.

1989
03:58:30,230 --> 03:58:31,290
We understand.

1990
03:58:31,550 --> 03:58:37,070
And if we don't start doing something soon and doing it successfully, we might as well

1991
03:58:37,070 --> 03:58:37,750
just go home.

1992
03:58:38,250 --> 03:58:40,370
So I asked that question.

1993
03:58:40,910 --> 03:58:43,050
You and I have talked offline.

1994
03:58:43,050 --> 03:58:51,110
I asked that question and I'm not expecting you to be able to fix or change anything that's already in place right now.

1995
03:58:51,170 --> 03:59:04,310
But I asked that question because I actually have had a close experience with youth who have needed to be serviced.

1996
03:59:04,310 --> 03:59:21,690
But because our system kind of says, unless they rape, murder, use, you know, a knife or a gun to threaten someone that juvenile services won't hold them.

1997
03:59:22,410 --> 03:59:32,330
Won't hold them. They won't hold them. They release them or you may not put the magistrate says you can't hold them. They release them.

1998
03:59:32,330 --> 03:59:38,310
and then if the parents are in fear for their own safety the parents are still

1999
03:59:38,310 --> 03:59:42,630
being told either you come get them or we're gonna file a child protective

2000
03:59:42,630 --> 03:59:49,150
services report against you and I'm trying to understand if we've got this

2001
03:59:49,150 --> 03:59:55,530
money what is the population that we're actually serving with this money and

2002
03:59:55,530 --> 03:59:59,970
what is the population of juveniles offenders that we're not

2003
04:00:02,860 --> 04:00:08,840
So, the range is going to be a lot bigger than it was before. The way the fund is set up

2004
04:00:08,840 --> 04:00:14,500
previously, the childcare fund would not allow for really any kind of prevention services,

2005
04:00:14,940 --> 04:00:19,800
so they really did have to be far into the system before they were going to be able to draw

2006
04:00:19,800 --> 04:00:25,640
down this money. That's not the case anymore under the legislation. So, we have a whole

2007
04:00:25,640 --> 04:00:30,520
unit around prevention, truancy, all of those things that we know are direct

2008
04:00:30,520 --> 04:00:34,860
theaters into the criminal justice and the juvenile justice system. So we're

2009
04:00:34,860 --> 04:00:39,640
able to use that money now that we could not use before. When did that change?

2010
04:00:39,940 --> 04:00:46,720
In October of 2023, October 1st. So it was the last fiscal year and it is

2011
04:00:46,720 --> 04:00:51,040
already making significant impacts. When we looked at the fiscal year for

2012
04:00:51,040 --> 04:00:57,560
October 1st, we had 86% of the kids were in our formal docket, which meant that they did

2013
04:00:57,560 --> 04:01:02,780
have to have the opportunities through probation and things that were much more serious offenders.

2014
04:01:03,540 --> 04:01:08,440
Now we've completely flipped that on its tail, so to speak, and I apologize it's late.

2015
04:01:08,860 --> 04:01:14,500
But the reality is, is we only allowed kids that had retail fraud 3 to come in on

2016
04:01:14,500 --> 04:01:15,460
our consent docket.

2017
04:01:15,660 --> 04:01:19,160
They had a shoplift before they could even come in.

2018
04:01:19,160 --> 04:01:21,080
And that's not required anymore.

2019
04:01:21,380 --> 04:01:22,980
They don't have to have a formal charge.

2020
04:01:23,420 --> 04:01:25,460
They have to have something that's bringing them

2021
04:01:25,460 --> 04:01:26,500
to the court's attention.

2022
04:01:26,720 --> 04:01:29,380
So it has to be some type of a document

2023
04:01:29,380 --> 04:01:32,180
that even the school can say, look at this kid

2024
04:01:32,180 --> 04:01:33,540
is really out of control.

2025
04:01:33,980 --> 04:01:37,320
And rather than put them into a level of criminality

2026
04:01:37,320 --> 04:01:38,740
that they're not quite there yet,

2027
04:01:38,900 --> 04:01:40,320
what can you do to intervene?

2028
04:01:40,760 --> 04:01:43,740
And so it's moving the system completely to the left.

2029
04:01:44,400 --> 04:01:46,560
And we've developed a continuum of care

2030
04:01:46,560 --> 04:01:48,340
that we're feeling very confident with.

2031
04:01:48,340 --> 04:01:50,860
and so that's the service level this year

2032
04:01:51,160 --> 04:01:52,840
that we're asking to have funded.

2033
04:01:53,180 --> 04:01:56,920
So we've kind of redistributed things where we did have,

2034
04:01:57,040 --> 04:02:00,620
we had a program called Intensive Probation before.

2035
04:02:01,680 --> 04:02:03,640
Personally, not all that successful

2036
04:02:03,640 --> 04:02:05,500
because by the time you get a kid

2037
04:02:05,500 --> 04:02:07,440
that far along into the system,

2038
04:02:08,160 --> 04:02:11,100
many times it's obviously not been their initial fall

2039
04:02:11,100 --> 04:02:12,180
to get them there

2040
04:02:12,840 --> 04:02:14,820
and the parents don't wanna cooperate

2041
04:02:14,820 --> 04:02:16,100
because they've just had it.

2042
04:02:16,100 --> 04:02:22,620
I mean this has been going on for years so if we can back it up five years and have a young man

2043
04:02:22,620 --> 04:02:28,280
who is not quite as tall and quite as violent and quite as angry and really start to get those

2044
04:02:28,280 --> 04:02:33,940
services in place to figure out what's causing the anger what's causing the issues that have

2045
04:02:33,940 --> 04:02:38,700
not been properly addressed to that point then we can really start to make some change and

2046
04:02:38,700 --> 04:02:44,140
we're finding the parents are really agreeable to this because they're not being brought

2047
04:02:44,140 --> 04:02:48,960
in front of us where okay you're the problem and that's why your kid is the

2048
04:02:48,960 --> 04:02:53,840
way they are that's just disrespectful and we're trying very hard to make this

2049
04:02:53,840 --> 04:02:58,980
a respectful system and one where people want to come to us and say we need

2050
04:02:58,980 --> 04:03:03,440
help don't judge me just give me the help and so we've been looking when I

2051
04:03:03,440 --> 04:03:06,600
was listening earlier when you were saying do you have services in this

2052
04:03:06,600 --> 04:03:10,880
community we're very actively looking for services in the community

2053
04:03:10,880 --> 04:03:13,160
because we don't want to go outside.

2054
04:03:13,420 --> 04:03:15,220
That's not really going to benefit anybody.

2055
04:03:15,480 --> 04:03:16,660
We don't want people traveling,

2056
04:03:17,080 --> 04:03:19,380
but if they need to get services elsewhere,

2057
04:03:19,680 --> 04:03:21,720
we're making sure we're providing transportation.

2058
04:03:22,580 --> 04:03:26,700
We have two actual case workers that are there

2059
04:03:26,700 --> 04:03:29,300
to be providing the kids' transportation

2060
04:03:29,300 --> 04:03:31,660
to the different programming that we have in the area.

2061
04:03:32,160 --> 04:03:34,520
We've brought in the same folks that are using

2062
04:03:34,520 --> 04:03:38,560
through the Children's Center of Services Legacy Barbership

2063
04:03:38,560 --> 04:03:41,900
where they have a man who is just phenomenal.

2064
04:03:42,560 --> 04:03:45,680
He's providing entrepreneurial-ship type of services.

2065
04:03:46,220 --> 04:03:47,440
He's also doing mentoring,

2066
04:03:47,760 --> 04:03:50,120
and he's teaching some of the younger men,

2067
04:03:50,460 --> 04:03:51,820
because they are men at that point,

2068
04:03:52,260 --> 04:03:54,520
how to get barbering certificates.

2069
04:03:55,100 --> 04:03:57,560
So we're really pushing a lot of skills building

2070
04:03:57,560 --> 04:03:59,340
and entrepreneurial services

2071
04:03:59,340 --> 04:04:01,120
for the kids that are a little bit older,

2072
04:04:01,620 --> 04:04:05,080
but anybody that we can draw in under that same premise,

2073
04:04:05,300 --> 04:04:06,980
we're trying to pull in the whole family.

2074
04:04:06,980 --> 04:04:11,700
So working a lot still with Flo Roverson, who's your mom's, who is phenomenal.

2075
04:04:12,320 --> 04:04:17,860
And she has that way about her that gets everybody to kind of come in and talk and figure out

2076
04:04:17,860 --> 04:04:19,400
what's really going wrong.

2077
04:04:19,820 --> 04:04:24,040
And so using those kinds of services, we can do a full triage on the case.

2078
04:04:24,500 --> 04:04:27,900
One of the other things that's really different is that we didn't have a lot of assessments

2079
04:04:27,900 --> 04:04:29,360
going on in the system.

2080
04:04:29,780 --> 04:04:33,060
It was pretty much no offense to any of us, but we weren't clinicians.

2081
04:04:33,500 --> 04:04:34,700
We weren't in the family.

2082
04:04:34,700 --> 04:04:41,900
we didn't know what the kids needed. And now the actual mandated assessments, we have to do these.

2083
04:04:42,260 --> 04:04:48,240
We're finding a totally different set of kids. And so that's why so many of our numbers now

2084
04:04:48,240 --> 04:04:53,920
are showing more of the informal. We have kids coming in on assault and batteries. And before

2085
04:04:53,920 --> 04:04:57,220
that, what the other piece of it is, is that, you know, you were concerned that they had to

2086
04:04:57,220 --> 04:05:02,680
be serious offenders. So minor offenders are like, we're going through it. They'll

2087
04:05:02,680 --> 04:05:08,880
outgrow it kind of thing. Now we look at that as hey this is a red flag. What are we

2088
04:05:08,880 --> 04:05:15,240
going to be able to do for this kid who is coming in at 11 years old who's beating up

2089
04:05:15,240 --> 04:05:21,480
on everybody who is witnessing that in the home and how can we serve the family, the

2090
04:05:21,480 --> 04:05:28,780
mother, the father, whomever else that young man or young girl views as their caretaker

2091
04:05:28,780 --> 04:05:30,880
to make sure that they're part of the process.

2092
04:05:31,340 --> 04:05:33,260
So when you say explain this,

2093
04:05:33,960 --> 04:05:35,660
I could start off with a systems of mess.

2094
04:05:36,500 --> 04:05:38,760
I have been in this over 40 years

2095
04:05:38,760 --> 04:05:40,760
and I said that the other day and I went,

2096
04:05:41,140 --> 04:05:43,140
oh God, how did you get so old?

2097
04:05:43,340 --> 04:05:44,880
I mean, it was just phenomenal.

2098
04:05:45,320 --> 04:05:48,620
I started off as a prosecutor in 1983 in Wayne County,

2099
04:05:49,400 --> 04:05:51,920
walked in and somebody said, I don't have a phone.

2100
04:05:52,080 --> 04:05:53,400
And I thought, oh, how terrible.

2101
04:05:53,700 --> 04:05:54,980
That's really hard for you.

2102
04:05:55,200 --> 04:05:57,120
And boy, have I come a long way.

2103
04:05:57,120 --> 04:06:02,260
So now looking back at this, it's like before we just used to say we couldn't do anything.

2104
04:06:02,640 --> 04:06:07,440
Now we're going to say, okay, we can, we have to figure out how and who else is going to

2105
04:06:07,440 --> 04:06:07,900
help us.

2106
04:06:08,560 --> 04:06:10,580
And so I think we've changed a lot.

2107
04:06:11,000 --> 04:06:11,440
I really do.

2108
04:06:11,540 --> 04:06:12,760
Our numbers are so far down.

2109
04:06:13,020 --> 04:06:16,440
I was, okay, I don't want to say it because I don't want to lose staff, but the reality

2110
04:06:16,440 --> 04:06:18,520
is that we're rerouting them.

2111
04:06:18,840 --> 04:06:23,700
So that before they would have 30, 40 cases, you can't do anything for that.

2112
04:06:23,700 --> 04:06:26,900
you're just pushing paper and you're pushing kids.

2113
04:06:27,400 --> 04:06:29,620
We now have very small caseloads

2114
04:06:29,620 --> 04:06:32,040
and they really are being assigned.

2115
04:06:32,400 --> 04:06:34,300
They're masters in social work

2116
04:06:34,300 --> 04:06:35,900
so they know what they're doing

2117
04:06:35,900 --> 04:06:38,960
but now they're getting kids that they have to get to know.

2118
04:06:39,180 --> 04:06:41,760
Don't just have this as the kid on your caseload.

2119
04:06:41,920 --> 04:06:44,140
Have this as the young man or young woman

2120
04:06:44,140 --> 04:06:45,620
that's gonna do something later on.

2121
04:06:45,980 --> 04:06:48,720
So I think there's huge changes that are going on.

2122
04:06:48,920 --> 04:06:49,740
I really do.

2123
04:06:50,160 --> 04:06:52,460
So if you wanna say no, say next year

2124
04:06:52,460 --> 04:06:59,760
But not this year because I really think we need it so from our end from the children's services, and you know we operate the youth center

2125
04:06:59,760 --> 04:07:06,580
We also operate a day treatment program that we've been learning since 2022 and previously

2126
04:07:07,520 --> 04:07:09,640
All those years we were operating a day treatment program

2127
04:07:09,640 --> 04:07:15,760
It was only for kids who want full probation usually moderate and high-risk kids that typically are not going to be a successful in the community

2128
04:07:15,760 --> 04:07:18,960
based program this past year on October 1st

2129
04:07:18,960 --> 04:07:23,720
we were able to start taking referrals for kids from public schools who are showing that trajectory

2130
04:07:23,720 --> 04:07:27,940
where they're probably going to be involved soon or they've had maybe they've been on diversion

2131
04:07:27,940 --> 04:07:32,500
or they can send docket. We've been able to start taking those kids into our programs. It's been

2132
04:07:32,500 --> 04:07:36,680
really beneficial. The legislation has widened the net so to be able to serve kids.

2133
04:07:37,220 --> 04:07:45,180
Okay. I appreciate you both for the information and the answers. And I think the only

2134
04:07:45,180 --> 04:07:57,000
The other question I have for you, if you could assign a percentage to sort of the early intervention,

2135
04:07:57,980 --> 04:08:06,920
how much of this funding is likely to be utilized for the early assessment and intervention for

2136
04:08:06,920 --> 04:08:10,680
youth that are experiencing difficulties?

2137
04:08:10,680 --> 04:08:14,360
If I could, off the top of my head, I'd say 75%.

2138
04:08:14,940 --> 04:08:15,300
Okay.

2139
04:08:15,500 --> 04:08:16,700
And I mean, it's a high number.

2140
04:08:17,140 --> 04:08:24,160
But the reality is, is that if we do it correctly, we can get to groups in a very short period of time.

2141
04:08:24,320 --> 04:08:31,440
We're working with the schools, we've reestablished a lot of the relationships that we had lost, and we lost them because we couldn't do anything.

2142
04:08:31,820 --> 04:08:33,780
And so they're like, why do I even bother to call you?

2143
04:08:33,880 --> 04:08:37,300
You're going to let the kid do this, that anyways, and then they lose credibility.

2144
04:08:37,300 --> 04:08:42,380
So, we've really been spending some time, we've just hired two more folks that are going to

2145
04:08:42,380 --> 04:08:47,560
be doing all of the prevention and the diversion as well as the truancy and that's going to

2146
04:08:47,560 --> 04:08:47,880
be pretty.

2147
04:08:48,000 --> 04:08:51,800
And one of them was a former clinician with Home of New Vision.

2148
04:08:52,260 --> 04:08:55,900
And one of the things we're really excited about is that she's going to be doing a

2149
04:08:55,900 --> 04:09:01,500
group for women that is going to be like the mothers that really start to need the

2150
04:09:01,500 --> 04:09:02,900
internal support system.

2151
04:09:02,900 --> 04:09:12,760
So when you say, and I say 75%, I think it's going to end up being that because we really have a very, very small percentage that are on the high end now.

2152
04:09:12,840 --> 04:09:18,720
We only have 12 kids on probation now. It's phenomenally low, and we've worked really hard to do that.

2153
04:09:19,160 --> 04:09:23,440
And quite frankly, we have a really good relationship with the Children's Services Administration.

2154
04:09:23,740 --> 04:09:28,180
And so we don't put kids into tension unless we absolutely have to.

2155
04:09:28,180 --> 04:09:31,800
So it used to be the kids that were like on violation of probation.

2156
04:09:32,200 --> 04:09:33,180
We don't do that anymore.

2157
04:09:33,320 --> 04:09:34,500
They can't go into detention.

2158
04:09:34,680 --> 04:09:38,340
But what we want to do is to talk with a mom, father, whomever.

2159
04:09:38,880 --> 04:09:41,760
How can we figure out how you can handle the behavior in the home

2160
04:09:41,760 --> 04:09:43,580
without having to detain them to do it?

2161
04:09:43,960 --> 04:09:45,520
So I think it's a different attitude.

2162
04:09:45,620 --> 04:09:48,460
And what I would offer, we would love to sit down

2163
04:09:48,460 --> 04:09:50,180
and talk to you a lot more in-depth.

2164
04:09:50,440 --> 04:09:50,860
You sure?

2165
04:09:51,200 --> 04:09:51,560
Absolutely.

2166
04:09:51,700 --> 04:09:52,240
No, I am.

2167
04:09:52,580 --> 04:09:53,820
I've heard a lot about it.

2168
04:09:54,200 --> 04:09:56,800
So yes, I'm still more than willing.

2169
04:09:56,800 --> 04:09:58,780
and actually would be very interested in.

2170
04:09:59,080 --> 04:10:00,460
I would accept that.

2171
04:10:00,980 --> 04:10:03,860
And I think we could get a lot of really good ideas from you as well.

2172
04:10:04,360 --> 04:10:06,280
I'm not from Washington County.

2173
04:10:06,940 --> 04:10:08,280
I'm one of those that moved in.

2174
04:10:08,640 --> 04:10:08,980
Me too.

2175
04:10:09,000 --> 04:10:10,000
People on Earth moved in.

2176
04:10:10,200 --> 04:10:10,900
Well, this one did.

2177
04:10:11,720 --> 04:10:13,340
And I came from Detroit.

2178
04:10:13,600 --> 04:10:14,820
A very different environment.

2179
04:10:15,180 --> 04:10:15,620
Whereabouts?

2180
04:10:15,780 --> 04:10:16,420
East or West?

2181
04:10:17,140 --> 04:10:17,540
Northwest.

2182
04:10:18,140 --> 04:10:18,600
Oh, sorry.

2183
04:10:20,540 --> 04:10:22,540
We still claim it.

2184
04:10:22,920 --> 04:10:24,580
But in any event,

2185
04:10:24,580 --> 04:10:30,640
I'm just saying that we would love to talk about what we're doing okay, and I'll take you up on that offer

2186
04:10:30,640 --> 04:10:33,900
We have my ear anytime you want it and I appreciate you

2187
04:10:34,520 --> 04:10:35,680
sharing that information

2188
04:10:36,220 --> 04:10:39,280
You know in part because we do now have

2189
04:10:39,280 --> 04:10:40,220
seniors

2190
04:10:41,180 --> 04:10:44,240
Raising grandchildren and they're struggling

2191
04:10:45,060 --> 04:10:51,620
They're scared too. They are yeah, I would be and I'm Cason O'Grady. By the way, I don't think we've met

2192
04:10:51,620 --> 04:10:57,980
so formally anyways thank you both thank you thank you for your interest we

2193
04:10:57,980 --> 04:11:08,120
appreciate it any other questions comments or concerns that was really like good

2194
04:11:08,120 --> 04:11:14,520
information well the offer is open yeah I mean you you are our ears eyes nose

2195
04:11:14,520 --> 04:11:19,060
everything else we really need the support and we want to support from the

2196
04:11:19,060 --> 04:11:25,200
families too. I can't imagine raising a kid nowadays. But frankly, I can see the

2197
04:11:25,200 --> 04:11:31,040
care in both of your faces. So thank you. Thanks. Let's do a roll call vote. Thank

2198
04:11:31,040 --> 04:11:31,800
you. Thank you.

2199
04:11:34,790 --> 04:11:39,770
Commissioner Sanders. Yes. Commissioner Scott. Yes.

2200
04:11:52,150 --> 04:11:52,690
Commissioner

2201
04:11:52,690 --> 04:11:53,070
Yes.

2202
04:11:53,870 --> 04:11:54,830
Commissioner Matiasi.

2203
04:11:54,970 --> 04:11:55,150
Yes.

2204
04:11:55,870 --> 04:11:56,750
Commissioner Robby.

2205
04:11:58,590 --> 04:11:58,890
Yes.

2206
04:12:00,150 --> 04:12:00,870
Motion passed.

2207
04:12:01,990 --> 04:12:02,170
Great.

2208
04:12:02,350 --> 04:12:03,350
Thank you very much, everyone.

2209
04:12:03,650 --> 04:12:07,610
We're on to A, my favorite letter.

2210
04:12:08,010 --> 04:12:08,250
Not really.

2211
04:12:09,570 --> 04:12:13,590
H, we're on to H, my second favorite letter.

2212
04:12:13,790 --> 04:12:14,130
Not really.

2213
04:12:14,810 --> 04:12:15,050
Yeah.

2214
04:12:15,270 --> 04:12:16,290
No, let's do H first.

2215
04:12:16,490 --> 04:12:16,930
Let's go in order.

2216
04:12:17,130 --> 04:12:17,470
I like it.

2217
04:12:18,130 --> 04:12:18,590
All right.

2218
04:12:19,050 --> 04:12:21,210
H, as I turn my page back.

2219
04:12:21,210 --> 04:12:26,600
This is the wrong field.

2220
04:12:27,200 --> 04:12:33,520
So unfortunately, if it, all right, Commissioner Robby.

2221
04:12:35,040 --> 04:12:36,840
Again, you can save the best for last.

2222
04:12:36,980 --> 04:12:38,140
No, let's get it done.

2223
04:12:39,360 --> 04:12:40,260
All right.

2224
04:12:40,580 --> 04:12:47,720
Cool. Well, thank you all for taking the time to answer some questions on this one.

2225
04:12:49,280 --> 04:12:57,580
I will just jump into my questions and then at the end I will talk about my feelings.

2226
04:12:58,640 --> 04:13:10,060
Why not? So to start off this site for those of you that may not be aware is in my district.

2227
04:13:11,120 --> 04:13:23,060
It is a contaminated site. It was contaminated many years over by Mishkan and previous iterations

2228
04:13:23,060 --> 04:13:31,760
of Mishkan that were since bought by DTE, which is a Fortune 500 company, by the way. They

2229
04:13:31,760 --> 04:13:35,140
are the responsible party for this contamination. Is that correct?

2230
04:13:38,160 --> 04:13:45,760
I'm just trying to confer who is who is answering questions. James is here on behalf of the Brownfield authority. Yeah.

2231
04:13:46,520 --> 04:13:56,420
Good evening. I'm James Harless on behalf of the County Brownfield authority. Hi. I didn't know if you wanted Brownfield authority or if you want County. Who do you want to ask questions to?

2232
04:13:56,660 --> 04:14:03,500
Or the developer can answer them too. Okay, go ahead. We do have representatives from the developer as well. Whoever wants to answer can answer.

2233
04:14:03,500 --> 04:14:05,460
So what was your question, please?

2234
04:14:05,660 --> 04:14:09,760
Is DTE still the responsible party for this contamination?

2235
04:14:10,060 --> 04:14:12,100
I did read it in your application that they are.

2236
04:14:12,880 --> 04:14:16,120
Their responsibility has been discharged through EGLE.

2237
04:14:16,900 --> 04:14:19,180
What was the extent of their responsibility?

2238
04:14:19,600 --> 04:14:24,100
I read that they had to dispose of certain types of contaminations and certain types of soils.

2239
04:14:24,100 --> 04:14:32,280
Yes. The way the statute was interpreted by EGLE in the way that we negotiated the settlement

2240
04:14:32,280 --> 04:14:37,800
that allowed the development to go forward is that DTE was responsible for getting the

2241
04:14:37,800 --> 04:14:43,440
property such that it was safe as a non-used property.

2242
04:14:45,870 --> 04:14:48,070
EGLE wanted them to also remove

2243
04:14:48,070 --> 04:14:53,250
some blue soil and some other contamination that was on the site. They paid for taking

2244
04:14:53,250 --> 04:14:58,230
that out, that you got it to ego satisfaction, that it was ready to be...

2245
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:06,100
Re-developed. And then now everything that's happening is the developer is doing their due

2246
04:15:06,100 --> 04:15:10,120
care responsibility. It's not associated with actually remediating the site.

2247
04:15:13,130 --> 04:15:18,250
So the site's been remediated? The site will never be fully remediated. It

2248
04:15:18,250 --> 04:15:27,250
is being developed in such a way that it is safe for reuse. And that is the goal of the

2249
04:15:27,250 --> 04:15:28,110
Michigan statutes.

2250
04:15:30,800 --> 04:15:32,640
Okay. Will somebody coming up to answer

2251
04:15:32,640 --> 04:15:32,900
Yeah.

2252
04:15:33,140 --> 04:15:33,360
Further?

2253
04:15:34,260 --> 04:15:39,720
Hi, commissioners and Commissioner Robby in particular, David Derrida representative

2254
04:15:40,120 --> 04:15:45,500
at this point for the purposes of this evening for the lower time concern is the applicant

2255
04:15:45,500 --> 04:15:50,520
for the $500,000 grant that's before the commission this evening.

2256
04:15:51,060 --> 04:15:56,000
I feel like and I don't want to get too technical because I think Commissioner Robby is asking

2257
04:15:56,000 --> 04:16:02,560
a simple question which is who was the responsible party and then what did EGLE agree to and

2258
04:16:02,560 --> 04:16:08,580
They agreed to, and James, you can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm trying to turn this

2259
04:16:08,580 --> 04:16:09,340
into simple English.

2260
04:16:09,500 --> 04:16:16,920
They agreed to DTE completing a certain amount of remediation on a site that largely dealt

2261
04:16:16,920 --> 04:16:23,720
with offsite remediation into the river, and to a response activity plan that the developer

2262
04:16:23,720 --> 04:16:33,260
would then take on to undertake substantial remediation of the soil to allow that site

2263
04:16:33,260 --> 04:16:37,280
to be redeveloped for residential and recreational uses.

2264
04:16:39,180 --> 04:16:47,320
That work has been ongoing now for about two years, and in fact the site has been substantially

2265
04:16:47,320 --> 04:16:52,020
remediated, including removal of, I believe, 20,000 tons of soil.

2266
04:16:52,020 --> 04:16:59,880
So a lot of good work out there was a substantially contaminated site, and I certainly commend

2267
04:16:59,880 --> 04:17:09,540
EGLE for having the, I think, foresight and flexibility to be able to see DTE through

2268
04:17:09,540 --> 04:17:14,840
to certain series of obligations and also permitting the development exercise to move

2269
04:17:14,840 --> 04:17:17,520
forward, which obviously required substantial additional funding.

2270
04:17:18,040 --> 04:17:21,560
So I don't know if that's anything I can say is inaccurate, but I honestly

2271
04:17:21,560 --> 04:17:25,580
think that was a perfectly legitimate question from Commissioner Robbie, and I just want

2272
04:17:25,580 --> 04:17:27,960
to make sure we didn't get too confused at this late hour.

2273
04:17:28,380 --> 04:17:29,160
I appreciate that.

2274
04:17:29,220 --> 04:17:34,480
I guess I'm sort of wondering what is left in terms of contamination on the site at

2275
04:17:34,480 --> 04:17:34,900
this time?

2276
04:17:35,500 --> 04:17:42,120
We're still completing remediation, and SME, who's represented here, obviously,

2277
04:17:42,120 --> 04:17:50,440
obviously, as well as helping oversee the final closure of the site. And these funds

2278
04:17:50,440 --> 04:17:59,740
from DEQ are part of – there was an initial $500,000 grant that was part of the overall

2279
04:17:59,740 --> 04:18:09,480
remediation up to a total of a potential million. We identified remediation requirements

2280
04:18:09,480 --> 04:18:13,460
that were not met either by our famous enhancement grant,

2281
04:18:13,740 --> 04:18:14,440
Commissioner Robby.

2282
04:18:14,460 --> 04:18:14,920
Very famous.

2283
04:18:15,160 --> 04:18:18,260
Or additional funds that we anticipate

2284
04:18:18,260 --> 04:18:19,240
through the Brownfield,

2285
04:18:19,500 --> 04:18:21,160
which we are coming back before this body

2286
04:18:21,160 --> 04:18:21,920
for amendment two,

2287
04:18:22,040 --> 04:18:24,600
we're more than happy to discuss in that context.

2288
04:18:25,200 --> 04:18:26,300
And so the important thing,

2289
04:18:27,120 --> 04:18:28,800
two things, I guess a couple of things

2290
04:18:28,800 --> 04:18:30,240
to walk away from understanding

2291
04:18:30,240 --> 04:18:31,920
this is very complex development

2292
04:18:31,920 --> 04:18:34,180
and took a long time to undertake.

2293
04:18:34,580 --> 04:18:37,500
And that was absolutely a public-private partnership

2294
04:18:37,500 --> 04:18:41,120
that involved identifying dollars for remediation,

2295
04:18:41,620 --> 04:18:45,260
dollars for the conversion of that site

2296
04:18:45,820 --> 04:18:48,900
into a usable public space,

2297
04:18:49,100 --> 04:18:50,280
and then dollars for infrastructure

2298
04:18:50,280 --> 04:18:52,280
that would support that usable public space.

2299
04:18:52,680 --> 04:18:54,740
And every one of those dollars is accounted for.

2300
04:18:55,100 --> 04:18:56,560
And every one of them,

2301
04:18:56,720 --> 04:18:58,200
and these are the right questions to ask,

2302
04:18:58,340 --> 04:19:00,780
every one of those dollars represents a dollar

2303
04:19:00,780 --> 04:19:03,040
that needed to be spent to get the result

2304
04:19:03,720 --> 04:19:06,340
that had been overwhelmingly supported

2305
04:19:06,340 --> 04:19:11,120
by the community in the context of the conversion of the site from an industrial site to a mixed

2306
04:19:11,120 --> 04:19:18,640
use and public space site. So those dollars, I will defer to James and or actually I should

2307
04:19:18,640 --> 04:19:24,060
probably ask Dan Cassie what specifically the 500,000 that is before you tonight is going to,

2308
04:19:24,160 --> 04:19:30,900
but I believe it is portion of the remediation. Sure. Yeah. Hi, I'm Dan Cassie with SME,

2309
04:19:30,900 --> 04:19:38,000
were the consultant for the Conservancy. So with the 500,000, nearly the entire amount

2310
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:44,140
of the grants going towards source removal. So finishing that remediation that David just

2311
04:19:44,140 --> 04:19:44,700
talked about.

2312
04:19:45,840 --> 04:19:46,100
So what?

2313
04:19:46,340 --> 04:19:47,280
Soil removal.

2314
04:19:48,000 --> 04:19:52,220
I know that Commissioner Sanders has her hand up and I'm happy to stop asking questions

2315
04:19:52,220 --> 04:19:56,900
if Commissioner Sanders wants to keep going. But I have a whole list of other things

2316
04:19:56,900 --> 04:20:00,620
I'd like to ask, but she's, I'm happy to stop.

2317
04:20:00,980 --> 04:20:06,580
Okay, Commissioner Sanders, I'm going to be quick, Commissioner Robbie.

2318
04:20:07,260 --> 04:20:13,660
I wanted three things, I wanted to make sure that all of you tell us your name and who

2319
04:20:13,660 --> 04:20:14,280
you're representing.

2320
04:20:14,480 --> 04:20:14,660
Absolutely.

2321
04:20:14,700 --> 04:20:15,540
Two of you so far.

2322
04:20:15,980 --> 04:20:18,300
I don't know if I got that from that.

2323
04:20:18,300 --> 04:20:19,000
I'm James Harless.

2324
04:20:19,140 --> 04:20:21,220
I represent the County Brownfield Authority.

2325
04:20:21,640 --> 04:20:21,860
Okay.

2326
04:20:21,860 --> 04:20:27,800
And then I wanted you to tell us, for those of us who don't know, what is blue soil?

2327
04:20:28,200 --> 04:20:31,240
No, please. I really want to do this too.

2328
04:20:32,420 --> 04:20:34,780
It's contaminated with iron ferrocyanide.

2329
04:20:36,080 --> 04:20:37,680
I don't know what that means. Okay.

2330
04:20:38,040 --> 04:20:40,740
It's a byproduct of co-gasification.

2331
04:20:41,200 --> 04:20:41,540
Okay.

2332
04:20:41,840 --> 04:20:44,740
It's a contaminant and it is a bright blue.

2333
04:20:45,460 --> 04:20:47,160
The cyanide makes it blue.

2334
04:20:47,160 --> 04:21:06,340
And then my last, I think, question, and then I'll turn it back over to Commissioner Robbie, was what is the planned use and will this remediation make it safe for the humans that will be utilizing whatever it is you're planning?

2335
04:21:06,340 --> 04:21:13,200
The planned use is a seven-acre public space that will be owned and operated by the Lower

2336
04:21:13,200 --> 04:21:17,480
Town Riverfront Conservancy under the terms of the agreement that we entered into with

2337
04:21:17,480 --> 04:21:20,040
the city of Ann Arbor to develop that site for that purpose.

2338
04:21:20,860 --> 04:21:26,960
The site is essentially now safe for that use thanks to the aforementioned 20,000 tons

2339
04:21:26,960 --> 04:21:29,640
of removal and additional soil that was brought back on.

2340
04:21:29,880 --> 04:21:34,300
And then the sculpting and landscaping of that site that will open to the public

2341
04:21:34,300 --> 04:21:36,760
on September 12th of this year.

2342
04:21:38,120 --> 04:21:39,800
And then we're looking forward to inviting all of you

2343
04:21:39,800 --> 04:21:41,180
to that opening.

2344
04:21:41,600 --> 04:21:41,880
Okay.

2345
04:21:42,400 --> 04:21:43,040
Thank you.

2346
04:21:43,960 --> 04:21:44,620
Thank you.

2347
04:21:44,900 --> 04:21:45,260
Thank you.

2348
04:21:45,580 --> 04:21:46,400
Commissioner Robby.

2349
04:21:46,900 --> 04:21:48,940
I will not be there intentionally

2350
04:21:49,920 --> 04:21:53,560
because I am in vehement disagreement

2351
04:21:53,560 --> 04:21:55,880
with the whole concept that you guys have outlined.

2352
04:21:56,780 --> 04:21:59,340
And I will explain that now

2353
04:21:59,340 --> 04:22:01,480
because I was planning on saying that later anyways,

2354
04:22:01,620 --> 04:22:04,040
but if it is truly a public space

2355
04:22:04,040 --> 04:22:08,400
it should be owned by the public. You receive $20 million of public money from the state

2356
04:22:09,080 --> 04:22:14,060
in order to remediate that site. You're receiving Eagle dollars, you're receiving Brownfield dollars,

2357
04:22:14,200 --> 04:22:19,020
you're receiving plenty of public money. And if that is truly a public space and it should

2358
04:22:19,020 --> 04:22:24,680
be owned and operated by the public. And I think the idea of having a developer control

2359
04:22:24,680 --> 04:22:31,700
private park is antithetical to everything that I believe to be honest with you. And

2360
04:22:31,700 --> 04:22:35,220
And I believe that the public's role

2361
04:22:35,220 --> 04:22:36,840
in subsidizing this development

2362
04:22:36,840 --> 04:22:38,580
has been completely out of proportion

2363
04:22:39,500 --> 04:22:43,740
to what should be contributed in this type of situation.

2364
04:22:44,520 --> 04:22:48,680
And I have a true belief that a public space

2365
04:22:49,200 --> 04:22:51,780
of this caliber with so much public funding

2366
04:22:51,780 --> 04:22:54,640
should be a public park and not a private park.

2367
04:22:55,100 --> 04:22:59,040
And there are so many social issues that come with that.

2368
04:22:59,620 --> 04:23:14,980
the fact that your board gets to determine the usage of the site, who gets to operate on the site, what types of activities get to take place on the site, what the hours of the site will be, what the uses of the site will be.

2369
04:23:15,780 --> 04:23:20,780
That is not determined by the public, even though the public has already invested with

2370
04:23:20,780 --> 04:23:29,560
if we pass this and the Brownfield plan, tens of millions of dollars to make that space available.

2371
04:23:31,360 --> 04:23:37,500
So I think that it is disingenuous frankly to call it a public space to begin with because

2372
04:23:37,500 --> 04:23:43,020
it is not publicly owned or operated, it is privately owned and operated.

2373
04:23:43,020 --> 04:23:52,020
And I just, so I'm in vehement ideological disagreement with the concept that you are presenting.

2374
04:23:52,800 --> 04:24:05,860
And so that shadows my entire thought process on this project given that you've already received so much public subsidy to make this happen.

2375
04:24:06,400 --> 04:24:08,400
But my questions that I was asking earlier,

2376
04:24:10,620 --> 04:24:18,240
DTE being a Fortune 500 company conducted some remediation and my understanding is that there

2377
04:24:18,900 --> 04:24:23,400
no further action report has not been finalized yet, is that right?

2378
04:24:23,780 --> 04:24:25,780
I believe it's in finalization now.

2379
04:24:26,680 --> 04:24:28,500
The draft can go in at the end of this month.

2380
04:24:28,940 --> 04:24:32,400
And that's the document that says that they don't have to do anything else basically?

2381
04:24:33,840 --> 04:24:40,000
It will acknowledge that they did what they were asked and obligated to do and and it's

2382
04:24:40,000 --> 04:24:45,780
being issued in conjunction with the follow on no further action letter as it relates

2383
04:24:45,780 --> 04:24:48,280
to the soil that that we just talked about.

2384
04:24:48,380 --> 04:24:53,640
I mean, I just like again, I feel like it feels wrong to me.

2385
04:24:53,820 --> 04:24:57,580
I mean, I know this isn't even our money at the county, but it's our money as tax

2386
04:24:57,580 --> 04:25:06,520
payers that, you know, a company, a Fortune 500 company that made a huge mess. And I know that DTE bought

2387
04:25:06,520 --> 04:25:11,000
Mishkan. Yeah, technically, they didn't make the mess. It doesn't matter. They bought the company.

2388
04:25:11,680 --> 04:25:16,020
They bought the company. They knew what the risk that they were getting into. And just like with

2389
04:25:16,020 --> 04:25:21,300
any project, just like with Gellman, Paul bought Gellman. Paul takes on the responsibility of the

2390
04:25:21,300 --> 04:25:27,560
contamination. DTE takes on the responsibility of the contamination. This is their mess. They

2391
04:25:27,560 --> 04:25:29,080
and the tax theory shouldn't have to clean it up.

2392
04:25:29,540 --> 04:25:34,860
And so the fact that this grant again is,

2393
04:25:35,180 --> 04:25:37,260
it's not just subsidizing your development,

2394
04:25:37,380 --> 04:25:39,660
it's subsidizing the responsibility that DTE has

2395
04:25:39,660 --> 04:25:42,820
to clean up the mess that was created by a company

2396
04:25:42,820 --> 04:25:45,360
that they now own and profit off, by the way.

2397
04:25:45,900 --> 04:25:50,280
They own all the gas transmission lines in our county.

2398
04:25:50,500 --> 04:25:51,580
They're profiting off of that.

2399
04:25:51,760 --> 04:25:52,940
I pay my bills every month.

2400
04:25:53,440 --> 04:25:54,540
They're profiting off of that.

2401
04:25:54,860 --> 04:25:56,160
They're a Fortune 500 company

2402
04:25:56,160 --> 04:25:58,080
even in a billion dollars in profits last year,

2403
04:25:58,440 --> 04:26:00,180
why are they not cleaning up this site themselves?

2404
04:26:01,640 --> 04:26:04,000
So I don't even know if you guys can answer those questions.

2405
04:26:04,280 --> 04:26:05,220
I don't even know if that's a question,

2406
04:26:05,420 --> 04:26:07,820
but it's a frustration with the current situation

2407
04:26:07,820 --> 04:26:08,320
that I'm in.

2408
04:26:08,520 --> 04:26:13,000
Mr. Robbie, it's clear that there's nothing

2409
04:26:13,400 --> 04:26:15,000
that I could say that would persuade you

2410
04:26:15,000 --> 04:26:17,480
because you're taking a philosophical point of view

2411
04:26:17,480 --> 04:26:20,140
about how to create and maintain a public space

2412
04:26:20,140 --> 04:26:22,380
that is simply different from the point of view

2413
04:26:22,380 --> 04:26:23,600
that the city council took

2414
04:26:23,600 --> 04:26:25,200
when they essentially mandated

2415
04:26:25,200 --> 04:26:29,760
that we make the space privately operated, funded, and managed through a

2416
04:26:29,760 --> 04:26:35,260
Conservancy in our entitlement documents on recognizing that that is a trend and

2417
04:26:35,260 --> 04:26:40,580
an activity that goes on across the state, very much so in City

2418
04:26:40,580 --> 04:26:44,620
Detroit through the downtown Detroit partnership, the 300 Conservancy, the

2419
04:26:44,620 --> 04:26:47,620
Detroit Riverfront Conservancy, the Grand Circus Park Conservancy, I could go

2420
04:26:47,620 --> 04:26:52,420
on, the Chandler Park Conservancy, the Belisle Conservancy. It is a common

2421
04:26:52,420 --> 04:26:57,580
practice it is not common in an arbor and I recognize that and you might if you were in

2422
04:26:57,580 --> 04:27:01,560
wing county be objecting to that there and so I'm not going to try I would object to

2423
04:27:01,560 --> 04:27:05,660
it no matter where it is it's a very it's a very much a producing concept that shouldn't

2424
04:27:05,660 --> 04:27:10,020
have ever been approved by city council or any other government body I think shame

2425
04:27:10,020 --> 04:27:14,340
on every elected official that participated in helping to make that project happen because

2426
04:27:14,340 --> 04:27:17,940
that should be a public park if you're getting that much public money it should

2427
04:27:17,940 --> 04:27:18,780
be a public park.

2428
04:27:18,960 --> 04:27:22,160
I again I respect your point of view I just want to make sure for the benefit

2429
04:27:22,160 --> 04:27:25,400
for the other commissioners, they understood that this was the very basis of the partnership

2430
04:27:25,400 --> 04:27:31,400
we forged with the city of Ann Arbor, which anticipated that we would seek other governmental

2431
04:27:31,400 --> 04:27:36,460
and non-governmental dollars to form this park that set the terms of how that park would

2432
04:27:36,460 --> 04:27:41,260
operate, that created a public easement across that park to address the questions of whether

2433
04:27:41,260 --> 04:27:45,900
or not that public space would be available to the public, and recognized, as I said,

2434
04:27:45,900 --> 04:27:50,880
that the proposition of privately non-profit conservancy

2435
04:27:50,880 --> 04:27:53,000
managed and operated public parks

2436
04:27:53,000 --> 04:27:55,400
is not a new idea in America.

2437
04:27:55,760 --> 04:27:58,440
It was unique in the city of Ann Arbor.

2438
04:27:58,880 --> 04:28:01,640
But the city of Ann Arbor did not want

2439
04:28:01,640 --> 04:28:05,580
one more publicly owned public space.

2440
04:28:05,860 --> 04:28:08,760
And they understood that to get to that public space

2441
04:28:08,760 --> 04:28:12,120
was going to cost the better part of what we thought

2442
04:28:12,120 --> 04:28:17,580
in our newly-guilded era pre-COVID would be something on the order of $20 million.

2443
04:28:18,520 --> 04:28:20,780
It turned out to be more like $37 million.

2444
04:28:21,400 --> 04:28:26,240
And we have since raised through that process, and this is why, again, I am not here to

2445
04:28:26,240 --> 04:28:32,520
try to convince Commissioner Robby that this way of doing things is the right way.

2446
04:28:32,900 --> 04:28:36,780
But it did achieve what the city of Ann Arbor expected it would achieve.

2447
04:28:37,020 --> 04:28:40,740
And it's why we're cutting the ribbon on that public space, before one building

2448
04:28:40,740 --> 04:28:44,740
gets built. But for one of the things that actually produced the tax revenue that will

2449
04:28:44,740 --> 04:28:51,800
actually pay for that brownfield is even a shovel in the ground. And it also, it certainly

2450
04:28:51,800 --> 04:28:58,460
raised the $20 million, which was the enhancement grant in 2022 that accelerated this thing and

2451
04:28:58,460 --> 04:29:02,500
otherwise would not have occurred as quickly as it did. But it also brought other grant

2452
04:29:02,500 --> 04:29:09,540
dollars, both private and public. In fact, private foundation and giving to this public

2453
04:29:09,540 --> 04:29:16,680
space is now in the order of $10 million. So it is engendering, giving for public purpose.

2454
04:29:17,120 --> 04:29:22,040
And I am not here to change your mind, though I welcome this discussion and would have it

2455
04:29:22,040 --> 04:29:25,320
with you over a cup of coffee or over a beer at the park.

2456
04:29:26,460 --> 04:29:28,500
But I'm not. I won't be setting foot in that park.

2457
04:29:28,760 --> 04:29:30,260
I understand that, sir. In your circumstance.

2458
04:29:30,680 --> 04:29:35,280
But I, and I'm not dismissing your concerns, but I did want to make sure the rest

2459
04:29:35,280 --> 04:29:40,220
of the commissioners understood ours, or at least our point of view, and we welcome questions

2460
04:29:40,220 --> 04:29:41,940
on the score. Thank you.

2461
04:29:42,160 --> 04:29:49,060
Change of topic. How do you plan to dewater when you're doing the – I understand that

2462
04:29:49,060 --> 04:29:56,580
some of this money is going for utility trenches for the site. So as you dig up into what

2463
04:29:56,580 --> 04:29:59,960
I assume to be more contaminated soil, there's

2464
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:04,980
We have money in here for dewatering into the river, and my understanding is that already

2465
04:30:04,980 --> 04:30:10,880
thousands of gallons of water were discharged into the Huron River from the site, from the

2466
04:30:10,880 --> 04:30:12,260
dewatering that had to occur.

2467
04:30:12,660 --> 04:30:17,520
We did all the dewatering within EGLE standards. Again, we're happy to have SME talk about

2468
04:30:17,520 --> 04:30:22,960
that in excruciating detail, if you'd like. We're going to continue to dewater in accordance

2469
04:30:22,960 --> 04:30:26,760
with standards. And actually, we did a little better than we thought we would on the dewatering

2470
04:30:26,760 --> 04:30:32,180
in front. It is often held in tanks. It is processed all in accordance with EGLE requirements.

2471
04:30:33,360 --> 04:30:40,280
The heavy lift on that has largely occurred as it relates to the actual public space.

2472
04:30:40,820 --> 04:30:45,640
There will be undoubtedly some more as foundations are put in place for buildings in the coming

2473
04:30:45,640 --> 04:30:51,280
years. But we actually did a couple other things to help make that less impactful

2474
04:30:51,280 --> 04:30:57,720
including a green in advance of any actual change to the law to put most of the buildings

2475
04:30:57,720 --> 04:31:06,420
above the 500-year flood event level, and it kind of lifted things out of the water.

2476
04:31:06,540 --> 04:31:11,220
Now, that was making a virtue of necessity, candidly, Commissioner, because it avoided

2477
04:31:11,220 --> 04:31:12,580
the necessity of dewatering.

2478
04:31:12,900 --> 04:31:17,760
But I can say this without the slightest risk of contradiction.

2479
04:31:17,760 --> 04:31:24,940
What we just accomplished out there was the largest environmental cleanup in the city of Ann Arbor in modern history

2480
04:31:24,940 --> 04:31:29,200
And we're kind of proud of it frankly, but I understand your concern

2481
04:31:29,200 --> 04:31:33,980
I would just note that Eagle's standards are not great on a lot of things

2482
04:31:33,980 --> 04:31:38,900
And so they were undoubtedly contaminants poured into the Huron River when you were dewatering

2483
04:31:38,900 --> 04:31:41,740
I can't be kind of a pain in the ass to be honest with you

2484
04:31:41,740 --> 04:31:44,580
What's that I found them to be kind of a pain in the ass to be honest with well

2485
04:31:44,580 --> 04:31:45,680
Well, that's probably a good thing.

2486
04:31:46,420 --> 04:31:48,960
But they should probably be more of a pain in the neck.

2487
04:31:49,840 --> 04:31:51,960
And so that's interesting.

2488
04:31:52,120 --> 04:31:56,280
So in terms of the barrier that you're also

2489
04:31:56,280 --> 04:31:58,180
using this money to create, there's

2490
04:31:58,180 --> 04:32:01,120
money to create a two foot soil barrier

2491
04:32:01,920 --> 04:32:04,120
that you're going to put, I assume,

2492
04:32:04,500 --> 04:32:08,620
between what is still contaminated soil and the grass

2493
04:32:08,620 --> 04:32:14,100
or whatever feature on the private park you're creating.

2494
04:32:14,100 --> 04:32:21,020
That that two-foot dermal contact bearer was installed into the original half a million dollar grant. That's already in place

2495
04:32:21,540 --> 04:32:27,580
Okay, the application seemed to imply that it was part of the new money too. No, it's it's already in place

2496
04:32:27,580 --> 04:32:29,740
Okay, and is that is two feet enough?

2497
04:32:30,540 --> 04:32:32,020
distance to prevent

2498
04:32:33,300 --> 04:32:37,480
Yep people that are sitting on the grass above it from yeah once again

2499
04:32:37,480 --> 04:32:40,500
It's yeah that that the design of that barrier was

2500
04:32:40,500 --> 04:32:42,920
Is it just soil or is it like something?

2501
04:32:43,420 --> 04:32:46,200
It's soil and vegetation. It's stabilized with vegetation.

2502
04:32:46,580 --> 04:32:47,520
But yeah, it's soil.

2503
04:32:49,740 --> 04:32:56,340
Okay, so two feet of soil and vegetation is enough to keep whatever this contaminant is from people breathing it?

2504
04:32:57,320 --> 04:32:57,880
Correct.

2505
04:32:58,600 --> 04:33:02,000
Everybody along the way felt that was two feet. Interesting.

2506
04:33:03,400 --> 04:33:05,580
Hopefully nobody digs into the ground there.

2507
04:33:06,360 --> 04:33:09,600
Is there, like, kids playing or something like that?

2508
04:33:10,200 --> 04:33:12,540
Is it going to be grass or is it going to be concrete or what?

2509
04:33:14,540 --> 04:33:17,880
There's a lot of grass out there, but there's also pathways that are concrete, yes.

2510
04:33:18,480 --> 04:33:20,060
So there is grass and concrete.

2511
04:33:20,880 --> 04:33:21,020
Okay.

2512
04:33:23,160 --> 04:33:24,040
All right.

2513
04:33:24,880 --> 04:33:26,960
Well, I'm going to have more to say in September.

2514
04:33:28,600 --> 04:33:30,160
A lot more to say in September.

2515
04:33:31,420 --> 04:33:42,280
I will just close by saying that what this model that you guys have proposed is frankly

2516
04:33:42,280 --> 04:33:43,020
dystopian.

2517
04:33:43,880 --> 04:33:50,560
It makes me feel like we're already in some dystopian novel of the future where corporations

2518
04:33:50,560 --> 04:33:54,600
control everything, things that should be public like parks.

2519
04:33:54,600 --> 04:34:02,020
parks should be public owned by and operated by the public. And so I guess the last question

2520
04:34:02,020 --> 04:34:08,860
I would ask of the developer is how much money are you going to be making on this project?

2521
04:34:10,220 --> 04:34:16,240
In working for the Conservancy, and we've been at this project for 10 years, we are

2522
04:34:16,240 --> 04:34:22,120
not charging a dime for the work we've done. So, and we've made a $1.5 million contribution

2523
04:34:22,120 --> 04:34:29,760
contribution to the project. Some day after 100 residential units, 20 of which are affordable

2524
04:34:29,760 --> 04:34:35,120
and a hotel and some retailer built, we might make some money. We haven't made a dime yet.

2525
04:34:35,800 --> 04:34:39,320
We're hoping to, because we want to generate the tax revenue to help support the brownfield

2526
04:34:39,320 --> 04:34:40,820
that will come back and talk about in September.

2527
04:34:41,680 --> 04:34:46,800
I'm sure that you wouldn't. I'm sure that you will make more than some money,

2528
04:34:46,800 --> 04:34:52,620
and I'm sure that you wouldn't have done this if you believe that it was only a possibility.

2529
04:34:53,260 --> 04:34:57,580
You're right. We take entrepreneurial risks. This wasn't a particularly attractive one in the end.

2530
04:34:58,100 --> 04:35:03,440
But we do have a reputation for seeing through complex economic development projects.

2531
04:35:03,580 --> 04:35:06,820
We've done a lot of it in Detroit. We used to talk about a reputation there,

2532
04:35:06,920 --> 04:35:10,440
but after three years of doing it here, I talk about what we've accomplished so far here.

2533
04:35:12,020 --> 04:35:16,000
And if we ever make some money on this, I'll be very pleased. I'll be honest with you.

2534
04:35:16,000 --> 04:35:25,780
And we're certainly trying to, but it won't be on the public space, and it won't be on the reclamation of this site, not one dime.

2535
04:35:25,980 --> 04:35:27,700
And in fact, we've contributed 1.5 million.

2536
04:35:28,140 --> 04:35:30,560
You think there's a chance you won't make money off this project?

2537
04:35:31,340 --> 04:35:36,840
Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's a chance. That's how for enterprise works, we win some and we lose some.

2538
04:35:36,920 --> 04:35:39,640
There is a chance we won't make money on this project, but I'm not here to complain.

2539
04:35:39,640 --> 04:35:44,640
I'm actually very grateful for the support, but what we're doing here today is to finish

2540
04:35:44,640 --> 04:35:46,140
the job of the public space.

2541
04:35:47,000 --> 04:35:53,100
And I can say, as I said before, and as I think the Washington County Brownfield Authority

2542
04:35:53,100 --> 04:35:58,700
understood, and EGLE and DEQ understood, these dollars were necessary to achieve a

2543
04:35:58,700 --> 04:36:03,540
public good, and we are acting as stewards of that public good right now on behalf

2544
04:36:03,540 --> 04:36:04,740
of the Conservancy.

2545
04:36:04,740 --> 04:36:10,340
I'm not going to try to pretend like we're angels, but I also don't think we're – there's

2546
04:36:10,340 --> 04:36:11,820
anything wrong with trying to make money.

2547
04:36:11,940 --> 04:36:13,720
It's just right now that is not what we're doing.

2548
04:36:13,880 --> 04:36:15,060
Right now we're trying to finish public spending.

2549
04:36:15,060 --> 04:36:20,200
Nothing wrong with trying to make money, but you're receiving massive public subsidy

2550
04:36:20,200 --> 04:36:21,160
for the project.

2551
04:36:21,440 --> 04:36:22,880
And I think that's the difference.

2552
04:36:24,040 --> 04:36:30,020
There's no public subsidy that we are receiving as it relates to the eventual construction

2553
04:36:30,740 --> 04:36:33,680
of the buildings that will generate the tax revenue.

2554
04:36:33,680 --> 04:36:38,860
There's a whole Brownfield plan that we're approving. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's that is that is there's no question

2555
04:36:38,860 --> 04:36:43,560
That is an incentive for development that was necessary to achieve that development

2556
04:36:43,560 --> 04:36:47,540
And those dollars are being funneled back into this project in accordance with Brownfield plan

2557
04:36:47,540 --> 04:36:51,920
Which I didn't actually think was the subject today, but delighted to talk about it on September 3rd

2558
04:36:52,960 --> 04:36:53,720
and I am not

2559
04:36:54,540 --> 04:36:58,760
Like I said, we're not here to say we weren't we aren't trying to ultimately

2560
04:36:59,320 --> 04:37:03,640
on the development side, putting the private hat on, not the conservancy hat that we're

2561
04:37:03,640 --> 04:37:10,640
not ultimately trying to earn a buck, but this will not be anything close to the most

2562
04:37:10,640 --> 04:37:13,880
proper project we ever engaged in, but we'll be proud of it because I think it will have

2563
04:37:14,700 --> 04:37:20,520
fundamentally transformed a very, very contaminated and very, very underutilized site for public

2564
04:37:20,520 --> 04:37:26,120
benefit. And sometimes you do well by doing good. I think this is one of those cases

2565
04:37:26,120 --> 04:37:29,300
And we'll stand by it in the end, but I appreciate the question.

2566
04:37:30,060 --> 04:37:33,500
Can I can I host an anti-Trump rally at the park?

2567
04:37:34,780 --> 04:37:38,420
You're going to have to talk to the Conservancy. I'm just working out the public space for them right now.

2568
04:37:38,560 --> 04:37:40,340
Okay, that's what I thought. Thanks.

2569
04:37:41,360 --> 04:37:42,040
Commissioner Light.

2570
04:37:45,340 --> 04:37:47,180
Well, thank you all for coming.

2571
04:37:48,120 --> 04:37:53,760
My question, I just wanted clarity, but I kind of think you did.

2572
04:37:53,760 --> 04:38:01,300
So, I was just wondering when you explained about, even though this is private, you gave

2573
04:38:01,300 --> 04:38:10,760
a comparison like Belal or, and so because you are utilizing Brownfield, that does that

2574
04:38:10,760 --> 04:38:15,900
mean that you have to use, utilize some of that space for public.

2575
04:38:16,520 --> 04:38:20,720
And so that's kind of like with that, when you did housing developments, you know how

2576
04:38:20,720 --> 04:38:26,940
You have to utilize a portion of the housing has to be like before the whole or well there again

2577
04:38:26,940 --> 04:38:31,980
You're getting into some of the things that the city and we through the planning commission and city council

2578
04:38:32,480 --> 04:38:36,280
Worked out. I think the city was very focused on public benefit here

2579
04:38:36,280 --> 04:38:39,080
They understood the park itself was one of those public benefits

2580
04:38:39,080 --> 04:38:45,840
They understood and this guy's does maybe doesn't go without saying that there was no amount of private development

2581
04:38:45,840 --> 04:38:50,360
That was going to occur on that site that could pay for that remediation and that public space

2582
04:38:50,720 --> 04:39:00,040
by just profits from the project and so they set out requirements for us for public use

2583
04:39:00,040 --> 04:39:00,720
in that space.

2584
04:39:01,860 --> 04:39:07,680
And they were concerned, as I think legitimately, we show up in 2018 and say, hey, we'd like

2585
04:39:07,680 --> 04:39:09,720
to create this privately managed public space.

2586
04:39:09,820 --> 04:39:11,340
It happens all the time in other cities.

2587
04:39:11,620 --> 04:39:16,180
It's new to Ann Arbor, but we think it'll work, particularly when they said, we don't

2588
04:39:16,180 --> 04:39:16,880
want that space.

2589
04:39:17,040 --> 04:39:17,940
We don't want to own it.

2590
04:39:18,000 --> 04:39:18,780
How is this going to work?

2591
04:39:18,780 --> 04:39:25,260
and we were very clear with the parks department. We'll collaborate with you. So, while I absolutely

2592
04:39:25,260 --> 04:39:32,480
understand Commissioner Robbie's point about parks should be, I don't agree that it should

2593
04:39:32,480 --> 04:39:36,120
be so black and white, that parks should be owned by the public. I think they should

2594
04:39:36,120 --> 04:39:39,820
have that these, if they're going to be public spaces, there should be ground rules.

2595
04:39:40,000 --> 04:39:44,900
And the city laid out myriad ground rules in the entitlement process, including what

2596
04:39:44,900 --> 04:39:49,440
But I just said, public easements across the space, hours of operations that conform with

2597
04:39:49,440 --> 04:39:55,960
this city of Ann Arbor's parks department, parking requirements consistent with the Ann

2598
04:39:55,960 --> 04:40:03,000
Arbor parks department, they also required us to develop a certain amount of affordable

2599
04:40:03,000 --> 04:40:07,640
housing on this because it went beyond that simple public space requirement.

2600
04:40:08,080 --> 04:40:14,560
So I don't know if this is answering your question, but I think what that public

2601
04:40:14,560 --> 04:40:21,400
space is while technically owned by a non-profit entity is a fundamentally a public-private

2602
04:40:21,400 --> 04:40:30,260
partnership. And its governance was set forth by the city in which we are – it's being

2603
04:40:30,260 --> 04:40:34,320
located in Ann Arbor. Now, this body might have said, well, I would have made you do

2604
04:40:34,320 --> 04:40:36,820
this, right? I mean, I would have made you do that. The city of Ann Arbor made

2605
04:40:36,820 --> 04:40:40,300
us do a lot of things, including contribute dollars to that space, which we have done.

2606
04:40:40,300 --> 04:40:45,660
Um, and, um, and I think they understood the, the bargain that was being struck.

2607
04:40:45,980 --> 04:40:53,400
Yeah, so for me, it's not necessarily private when it's a nonprofit organization, but that's just me. That's not.

2608
04:40:54,140 --> 04:41:04,520
Necessarily private, but teaches their own, but, um, I'm, I'm kind of excited about it. And, um, just looking forward to seeing, um.

2609
04:41:05,500 --> 04:41:22,840
I'm all for cleaning up something. And I know the city of Ann Arbor didn't want to touch the project because we said it costs much and it didn't want the responsibility of the taxpayers and so, but I look forward to seeing how the project is going to move forward.

2610
04:41:22,840 --> 04:41:26,260
And any

2611
04:41:31,030 --> 04:41:34,710
other comments commissioner Sanders just a quick question

2612
04:41:35,390 --> 04:41:38,110
Help me visualize. Where is it?

2613
04:41:39,410 --> 04:41:41,890
You can walk to it from here, I just did

2614
04:41:42,850 --> 04:41:47,010
Place on the highway the other day on the corner

2615
04:41:47,890 --> 04:41:48,970
Broadway and something

2616
04:41:49,990 --> 04:41:56,030
I'm just trying to make sure it's sorry if you know where the Amtrak lot is yes

2617
04:41:56,490 --> 04:42:02,550
Right next to it. You have to go over the bridge and turn into the Amtrak lot. Okay, and I'm delighted

2618
04:42:03,150 --> 04:42:09,070
That people don't still don't know where this is because we're gonna just shock it off. Okay. It is it gets oh it opens up at

2619
04:42:10,110 --> 04:42:14,310
You'll be able to enter off of a new street. We're running in there called River Street. Okay, and then you'll ask me

2620
04:42:14,310 --> 04:42:15,730
We'll go under the berm undercut

2621
04:42:17,090 --> 04:42:21,290
Right train tracks. Okay, and you come right onto the site and you'll be able to take the border to border trail

2622
04:42:21,290 --> 04:42:28,010
Well Wilson Foundation gave him a grant to this project because it helped connect the Board of Border Trail to the site.

2623
04:42:28,470 --> 04:42:40,390
Okay. That was one of the many grants received. There will be a, we're right now raising funds for a year round indoor outdoor pavilion that will be on the site for public events and private events as well.

2624
04:42:40,510 --> 04:42:41,870
And that'll help fund the park.

2625
04:42:43,350 --> 04:42:43,610
Okay.

2626
04:42:44,290 --> 04:42:44,750
Parking.

2627
04:42:44,750 --> 04:42:55,170
Yeah, there's 480 spaces ultimately as part of the overall development. And we have to figure out how to manage all that this the city wanted to make sure certain of them were designated for park use.

2628
04:42:55,470 --> 04:42:55,850
Okay.

2629
04:42:56,730 --> 04:42:57,990
Okay, thank you.

2630
04:42:58,770 --> 04:43:03,530
Commissioner Scott just showed me the area. Oh, thank you. So thank you.

2631
04:43:03,730 --> 04:43:05,090
Look forward to having you all out.

2632
04:43:06,450 --> 04:43:09,150
I want to know when the skating ribbon is going to open.

2633
04:43:09,490 --> 04:43:10,110
Oh, don't get started.

2634
04:43:11,650 --> 04:43:13,090
It's still going to be there, right?

2635
04:43:13,350 --> 04:43:14,030
That's still on the plan.

2636
04:43:14,230 --> 04:43:21,030
We're really, that is, that's turning out to be a bit of a geological challenge, because

2637
04:43:21,030 --> 04:43:24,230
the land is somewhat in the flood plain, but we're working on it.

2638
04:43:24,430 --> 04:43:26,070
We haven't raised the funds for that yet.

2639
04:43:27,110 --> 04:43:29,090
Just finished raising the funds for the pavilion.

2640
04:43:29,550 --> 04:43:32,570
That's part of the 10 million that has been raised.

2641
04:43:33,690 --> 04:43:36,670
The ice ribbon and that sort of section is next.

2642
04:43:37,250 --> 04:43:39,810
So the city made us agree, and this is the thing we're proud of.

2643
04:43:39,810 --> 04:43:44,910
The city made us agree and wouldn't have happened frankly without that much maligned $20 million

2644
04:43:44,910 --> 04:43:51,610
enhancement grant, but the city made us agree in our entitlement that we could not get one

2645
04:43:51,610 --> 04:43:58,230
certificate of occupancy for a single condominium or residential or hospital unit until the

2646
04:43:58,230 --> 04:44:03,330
baseline public space, which is what we're about to open next month was complete.

2647
04:44:03,330 --> 04:44:08,650
We haven't even pulled a permit for those residential or

2648
04:44:08,650 --> 04:44:11,750
hospitality and the park will be the baseline public space will be complete.

2649
04:44:11,850 --> 04:44:14,850
So, thanks to support like this.

2650
04:44:15,010 --> 04:44:16,890
So we really are very appreciative.

2651
04:44:17,350 --> 04:44:20,270
I mean, it's interesting to hear about the park and what's going there.

2652
04:44:20,410 --> 04:44:24,330
But again, like the decision to put a park there or not and

2653
04:44:24,330 --> 04:44:26,410
to work with you was a decision of the cities.

2654
04:44:26,830 --> 04:44:29,470
We're really talking about the brownfield money here.

2655
04:44:29,470 --> 04:44:35,910
and so. But the moment we're talking about the Eagle Grant. We're talking about the Eagle Grant

2656
04:44:35,910 --> 04:44:40,570
and are anything we're saying about this about the Brownfield money or the Eagle Grant but the

2657
04:44:40,570 --> 04:44:50,170
decision or not to have a park there was was purely the city's decision so. Commissioner Robbie.

2658
04:44:50,950 --> 04:44:56,390
It is relevant to the Brownfield plan and I think that's that's critically being missed here

2659
04:44:56,390 --> 04:44:59,970
because part of what's being shifted is...

2660
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:05,580
Because more of the project was able to be paid for by the $20 million grant that you received,

2661
04:45:05,680 --> 04:45:10,940
which we can talk about in September. But the reality is, you know, when you say,

2662
04:45:11,340 --> 04:45:16,060
much of the line, I just want to say, you know, my quote of the day is shady as hell.

2663
04:45:16,280 --> 04:45:20,140
It was shady as hell. Because you guys got $20 million in the state budget.

2664
04:45:20,660 --> 04:45:25,020
Nobody really knew who was in there. And that was, that I was being asked about it

2665
04:45:25,020 --> 04:45:28,580
because this was in my district. I was being asked about where this $20 million

2666
04:45:28,580 --> 04:45:32,960
dollars come from I have no idea where the $20 million came from because

2667
04:45:32,960 --> 04:45:37,600
somebody in the budget process and the enhancement grant process you know at the

2668
04:45:37,600 --> 04:45:43,500
time in 2022 that was the same the same time that we got paid they do and the

2669
04:45:43,500 --> 04:45:51,240
money for her nonprofit which spent it $500,000 on a salary vacations all

2670
04:45:51,240 --> 04:45:55,760
this different stuff same same time and so there's all this money to state

2671
04:45:55,760 --> 04:46:02,160
budget that's public dollars that's spent in a super shady way, a lot of that's being changed

2672
04:46:02,160 --> 04:46:07,600
actually. So this, both the Senate and the House improved their processes for how to give these

2673
04:46:07,600 --> 04:46:13,940
enhancement grants out so that it's not as shady anymore. I'm hoping that they stick with that.

2674
04:46:14,240 --> 04:46:20,480
But, you know, you got this grant kind of out of nowhere, $20 million from the state.

2675
04:46:20,480 --> 04:46:36,900
And I just, you know, and so now we're going to talk about it more in September. So I'll, but it is related. All these pieces are related to one another. And this project, you know, it, like you said, wouldn't have been possible without that public investment.

2676
04:46:37,280 --> 04:46:41,740
So, you know, my feeling is that it should be a public.

2677
04:46:41,960 --> 04:46:43,400
So, any

2678
04:46:45,830 --> 04:46:48,730
other continued comments questions or concerns.

2679
04:46:48,730 --> 04:46:53,350
All right, let's vote. Thank you, gentlemen.

2680
04:46:57,720 --> 04:46:59,270
Mr. Scott. Yes.

2681
04:46:59,950 --> 04:47:01,210
Mr. Somerville. Yes.

2682
04:47:02,730 --> 04:47:04,250
Mr. Beeman. Yes.

2683
04:47:05,390 --> 04:47:06,450
Mr. Hodge. Yes.

2684
04:47:07,150 --> 04:47:08,350
Mr. LeBar. Yes.

2685
04:47:08,930 --> 04:47:10,570
Mr. Light. Yes.

2686
04:47:11,410 --> 04:47:12,850
Mr. Machieske. Yes.

2687
04:47:13,490 --> 04:47:14,710
Mr. Robbie. No.

2688
04:47:15,450 --> 04:47:17,210
Mr. Sanders. Yes.

2689
04:47:17,850 --> 04:47:18,550
Motion passed.

2690
04:47:19,230 --> 04:47:19,910
Thank you.

2691
04:47:19,910 --> 04:47:26,270
So now we're on to Kaye, question, comments, concerns, Commissioner LaBar.

2692
04:47:26,770 --> 04:47:27,730
Thank you, Chair.

2693
04:47:28,690 --> 04:47:29,630
It's late.

2694
04:47:29,850 --> 04:47:30,530
I'll be really quick.

2695
04:47:31,390 --> 04:47:35,370
This is wonderful lifesaving work that we're going to approve.

2696
04:47:35,990 --> 04:47:40,610
And I really just wanted to highlight it and thank the task force, thank the staff.

2697
04:47:41,720 --> 04:47:45,390
It's a very tangible piece of county action that will save lives.

2698
04:47:46,590 --> 04:47:52,950
It's just wonderful across the board and appreciate that we're doing it and doing it again.

2699
04:47:53,790 --> 04:47:58,530
And when I pulled it, I thought maybe there'd be more time for discussion and so forth,

2700
04:47:58,590 --> 04:47:59,970
but I think we've hit that.

2701
04:48:00,170 --> 04:48:03,750
So I look forward to voting yes, and hope you all do the same.

2702
04:48:03,970 --> 04:48:04,170
Thanks.

2703
04:48:04,750 --> 04:48:08,090
Any other questions, comments or concerns, Commissioners, Sanders?

2704
04:48:11,250 --> 04:48:20,530
So, I'm excited that we are going to continue to try and support that population that struggles

2705
04:48:20,530 --> 04:48:22,570
in ways that many of us can't imagine.

2706
04:48:23,190 --> 04:48:29,350
I would just like to put on the record that if I were asked, which I have not been,

2707
04:48:30,290 --> 04:48:37,270
I probably would have proposed additional funding for the family shelter expansion

2708
04:48:37,270 --> 04:48:50,510
Because we know that there is a new facility that will be utilizing or will be serving families.

2709
04:48:51,990 --> 04:48:55,430
I think I've triggered something with Commissioner Somerville.

2710
04:48:55,970 --> 04:48:58,490
It's coming. That's coming. Yes.

2711
04:48:59,310 --> 04:49:00,170
Commissioner Somerville?

2712
04:49:00,950 --> 04:49:03,670
Yeah, I just wanted to follow up and reaction to that comment.

2713
04:49:03,670 --> 04:49:07,250
that I believe the 280,000 you see there

2714
04:49:07,250 --> 04:49:10,130
for family shelter expansion is the ongoing operational support

2715
04:49:10,990 --> 04:49:14,890
for the expanded site that will leverage private dollars.

2716
04:49:16,310 --> 04:49:20,270
And there is more funding coming for them.

2717
04:49:20,510 --> 04:49:21,230
Coming soon.

2718
04:49:21,550 --> 04:49:21,690
Okay.

2719
04:49:21,790 --> 04:49:22,870
To a board table near you.

2720
04:49:23,150 --> 04:49:23,350
Okay.

2721
04:49:24,030 --> 04:49:24,550
Thank you.

2722
04:49:24,990 --> 04:49:26,770
Any other comments, questions or concerns?

2723
04:49:28,410 --> 04:49:29,030
Krishna Ravi.

2724
04:49:30,850 --> 04:49:31,350
Thank you.

2725
04:49:31,350 --> 04:49:38,110
I'm wondering if somebody can explain about the barrier busters funding on the list that said

2726
04:49:38,680 --> 04:49:45,190
barrier busters at the direction of SOS community services. Is that always the case or can other

2727
04:49:45,880 --> 04:49:48,530
does it all have to go through SOS? How does that work?

2728
04:49:51,110 --> 04:49:53,690
Good evening again. Yep it always goes

2729
04:49:53,690 --> 04:50:00,050
through barrier busters because SOS case managers are the ones that provide the case

2730
04:50:00,050 --> 04:50:05,730
management services and barrier busters has the efficiency and the operations to get the

2731
04:50:05,730 --> 04:50:08,090
money out the door quickly for eviction prevention.

2732
04:50:08,590 --> 04:50:14,990
So a call might come in that $3,000 is needed, the case manager contacts barrier busters

2733
04:50:14,990 --> 04:50:20,450
and then those checks are delivered to the landlord or somebody has to go to SOS in

2734
04:50:20,450 --> 04:50:21,870
order to get barrier busters money.

2735
04:50:22,510 --> 04:50:25,170
In this case, yes, for eviction prevention program.

2736
04:50:25,850 --> 04:50:28,630
Why are we restricting it to just one nonprofit?

2737
04:50:28,630 --> 04:50:38,710
profit. Well, the dollars can go ahead. Oh, I'm not sure. Okay.

2738
04:50:42,060 --> 04:50:43,480
They work in tandem,

2739
04:50:43,480 --> 04:50:51,020
but the case management is provided by SOS is why you saw that delineation. So, so walking

2740
04:50:51,020 --> 04:50:56,340
through if somebody wants to access barrier busters money, do they have to call SOS community

2741
04:50:56,340 --> 04:50:58,080
services in order to get that money.

2742
04:50:58,440 --> 04:51:00,160
For eviction prevention, yes.

2743
04:51:01,380 --> 04:51:05,860
They call, so any dollars that go out through barrier busters

2744
04:51:05,860 --> 04:51:08,920
has to be accessed by a case manager.

2745
04:51:09,820 --> 04:51:09,960
Sure.

2746
04:51:10,340 --> 04:51:14,360
So the case managers, homes are with the nonprofits.

2747
04:51:15,080 --> 04:51:20,340
So barrier busters is just the way to get the money out

2748
04:51:20,340 --> 04:51:20,780
of the door.

2749
04:51:21,240 --> 04:51:25,300
But SOS is the only one that does eviction prevention?

2750
04:51:25,300 --> 04:51:33,340
for the for families. Yeah. And is this just for families? And then the shelter does individuals. So

2751
04:51:33,340 --> 04:51:39,320
the shelter is money is just for families. Or is this barrier busters money for everybody that

2752
04:51:39,320 --> 04:51:48,380
needs eviction prevention. So why is the shelter not included as am I making sense? Maybe I'm

2753
04:51:48,380 --> 04:51:52,940
not making sense. But like I, if there's two nonprofits that are providing eviction prevention

2754
04:51:52,940 --> 04:51:59,120
services, and this pot of barrier busters money is just for people accessing it through SOS.

2755
04:51:59,980 --> 04:52:05,220
What about the people that are trying to access eviction prevention through the shelter association?

2756
04:52:06,360 --> 04:52:17,080
They both can provide that access, but the shelter provides case management for individuals

2757
04:52:17,080 --> 04:52:20,700
and SOS provides the case management for families.

2758
04:52:20,700 --> 04:52:27,140
But the way the fund was described in our board packet it looked like it was just for SOS as direct. It's it as directed through SOS

2759
04:52:30,850 --> 04:52:33,450
in front of me.

2760
04:52:35,050 --> 04:52:37,690
I mean, I, I can try to pull it up to it was.

2761
04:52:58,480 --> 04:53:06,620
Yeah, it says very, very besters as referred by SOS for direct assistance 566,000 666 that's

2762
04:53:09,050 --> 04:53:09,690
in the resolution.

2763
04:53:10,970 --> 04:53:11,450
Yep.

2764
04:53:22,220 --> 04:53:26,220
I believe you, I just don't. I don't have the answer, but I can get it for you.

2765
04:53:29,390 --> 04:53:39,030
I mean, because that's a lot of money for one organization to, and it says as referred by, which makes me think that's the only organization that can refer people to that money.

2766
04:53:42,630 --> 04:53:45,850
I'm going to go to Commissioner Sanders.

2767
04:53:49,950 --> 04:54:00,510
So, I think that I would have a similar concern, and it really is based on the fact that I've

2768
04:54:00,510 --> 04:54:06,150
gotten feedback from people that feel like they have not been appropriately serviced specifically

2769
04:54:06,150 --> 04:54:16,530
specifically by SOS, as well as employees of SOS sharing information about, you know,

2770
04:54:16,830 --> 04:54:22,470
the ways that they feel like they are not respectfully treated when they're attempting

2771
04:54:22,470 --> 04:54:23,570
to do their jobs.

2772
04:54:23,570 --> 04:54:39,390
So, I guess I want to renew my years ago comments, concerns about the fact that we do not have

2773
04:54:39,680 --> 04:54:50,570
a portal or a way to assess quality and satisfaction of residents that are utilizing services

2774
04:54:50,570 --> 04:54:54,290
of nonprofits that we held on support.

2775
04:54:55,010 --> 04:54:57,610
And I think that we need to find a way to do that

2776
04:54:58,690 --> 04:55:01,470
because I wanna hear from the people

2777
04:55:01,470 --> 04:55:03,130
that feel like they're turned away,

2778
04:55:03,350 --> 04:55:07,050
they're not responded to, whatever it is,

2779
04:55:09,430 --> 04:55:09,950
because,

2780
04:55:12,890 --> 04:55:14,170
how do I put this?

2781
04:55:14,690 --> 04:55:16,930
First, I don't wanna be, I'm not being disrespectful

2782
04:55:16,930 --> 04:55:22,450
to any of the employees of nonprofits.

2783
04:55:23,850 --> 04:55:32,750
But I've said this before, if you're a nonprofit and you get a complaint, it's not necessarily

2784
04:55:32,750 --> 04:55:37,430
in your best interest to let it be known that you've gotten that complaint.

2785
04:55:38,130 --> 04:55:41,970
And we don't really have a way to check and balance that.

2786
04:55:42,370 --> 04:55:48,530
If it's something that's an in-house service of the county, we have a number of ways that

2787
04:55:48,530 --> 04:55:53,010
that we have to address it, that we can not ignore it.

2788
04:55:53,670 --> 04:55:57,270
But with nonprofits, they're kind of an island out there

2789
04:55:58,090 --> 04:56:00,650
and nobody's policing them.

2790
04:56:01,630 --> 04:56:04,150
And so on behalf of the residents,

2791
04:56:04,590 --> 04:56:07,730
on behalf of the most vulnerable people

2792
04:56:07,730 --> 04:56:11,510
that are utilizing these nonprofits for lifelines,

2793
04:56:12,190 --> 04:56:15,950
I'm gonna reiterate that we need a system

2794
04:56:15,950 --> 04:56:21,390
that allows them to share their experience with us.

2795
04:56:22,070 --> 04:56:25,310
And a resident survey or something,

2796
04:56:25,650 --> 04:56:27,550
it doesn't just go to the nonprofit.

2797
04:56:28,570 --> 04:56:32,390
I would prefer that it's a way for them

2798
04:56:32,390 --> 04:56:35,650
to share their experience and it goes two ways.

2799
04:56:35,850 --> 04:56:36,830
It goes to the nonprofit

2800
04:56:37,170 --> 04:56:38,950
and it comes to somebody at the county

2801
04:56:39,490 --> 04:56:42,930
that allows us to say, okay, what's going on with this?

2802
04:56:42,930 --> 04:56:52,710
because I'm not seeing it. We do have through hawk the oh my god well through

2803
04:56:52,710 --> 04:56:57,470
there I say this every time and I'm not going to apologize because I've had

2804
04:56:57,470 --> 04:57:05,970
people employees want to push back and say you're being disrespectful no hawk

2805
04:57:05,970 --> 04:57:11,950
has been a broken thing for a while and I keep saying we need to change the name

2806
04:57:11,950 --> 04:57:14,550
because it's a bad confrontation that goes with it.

2807
04:57:14,970 --> 04:57:16,330
But nobody listens to me.

2808
04:57:16,670 --> 04:57:19,350
I'm not gonna apologize for my immediate response

2809
04:57:19,350 --> 04:57:21,330
whenever that name is brought up.

2810
04:57:21,470 --> 04:57:21,870
I'm sorry.

2811
04:57:22,790 --> 04:57:23,470
No offense.

2812
04:57:24,230 --> 04:57:24,950
None taken.

2813
04:57:25,450 --> 04:57:27,810
There is a grievance and complaint form.

2814
04:57:28,070 --> 04:57:29,830
People can call the Hock Cross Center

2815
04:57:30,350 --> 04:57:33,550
to share their experiences

2816
04:57:33,550 --> 04:57:35,350
with local shelters and nonprofits.

2817
04:57:36,270 --> 04:57:38,710
Once that complaint comes in, it's documented.

2818
04:57:38,710 --> 04:57:45,950
We contact the said shelter whichever one that it is and they're given a response. So we do have tracks

2819
04:57:45,950 --> 04:57:51,210
I'd like to see sure that that data I'd like to see those reports

2820
04:57:51,730 --> 04:57:55,370
So I'm gonna make I'm making that an official request. I want to see them

2821
04:57:55,370 --> 04:58:01,230
Okay, or as far back as they go. We've got them. Thank you. You're welcome. And as far as hot goes

2822
04:58:01,810 --> 04:58:06,950
I've been in the community for over 20 years and no matter who holds

2823
04:58:08,350 --> 04:58:13,730
They're continually drugged through, you know, a fine tooth comb, let's say.

2824
04:58:13,870 --> 04:58:19,710
So when SOS had it under Gary and Fay, you know, it was there.

2825
04:58:21,630 --> 04:58:23,550
They got a lot of backlash.

2826
04:58:23,930 --> 04:58:25,310
It was moved to Salvation Army.

2827
04:58:25,510 --> 04:58:27,270
Salvation Army held it for a decade.

2828
04:58:27,670 --> 04:58:33,830
It got, you know, the same feedback, you know, the same kind of reaction.

2829
04:58:33,830 --> 04:58:37,830
When the county put out an RFP for it, no one responded.

2830
04:58:38,110 --> 04:58:39,350
So the county took it on.

2831
04:58:39,910 --> 04:58:45,230
And so what I'd like to say about Hock is that as a system, it does do the job.

2832
04:58:45,510 --> 04:58:49,730
But I think there's a misperception of what Hock really is and what it isn't.

2833
04:58:49,830 --> 04:58:51,330
Hock is a resource line.

2834
04:58:51,730 --> 04:58:56,590
It is a place for people to call to say, I have multiple problems usually.

2835
04:58:57,110 --> 04:59:01,370
And then Hock tells them exactly what the next steps are in the process.

2836
04:59:01,370 --> 04:59:06,330
Is it true that some people have been trespassed out of shelter for a myriad of reasons?

2837
04:59:06,730 --> 04:59:07,030
Yes.

2838
04:59:07,790 --> 04:59:15,170
You know, is that the kind of, that's not always the last answer, but it does happen.

2839
04:59:16,250 --> 04:59:17,970
And so hawk is a resource.

2840
04:59:18,370 --> 04:59:23,110
And I understand the immense pressure that people are under when they call and they

2841
04:59:23,110 --> 04:59:24,750
need to fix right now.

2842
04:59:24,750 --> 04:59:31,190
But a hawk operator is not the person that is going to fix that problem right now.

2843
04:59:31,490 --> 04:59:34,310
They're able to offer the resource and the connection.

2844
04:59:34,670 --> 04:59:39,510
So I think there's a misperception about what hawk is and what it isn't and what it can do

2845
04:59:39,510 --> 04:59:42,110
and what it really is not able to do.

2846
04:59:42,370 --> 04:59:47,950
Do I know that hawk calls are answered within minutes of calls, of the call actually being placed?

2847
04:59:48,230 --> 04:59:48,430
Yes.

2848
04:59:48,430 --> 04:59:54,710
Do I know that we have a satisfaction rate or at least a good response time?

2849
04:59:55,050 --> 04:59:55,350
Yes.

2850
04:59:56,130 --> 04:59:58,490
Do they get everything that they need immediately?

2851
04:59:59,150 --> 04:59:59,490
No.

2852
04:59:59,490 --> 04:59:59,830
because

2853
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:05,940
That's not what a call center does. It's very similar to 211. So 211 is a resource line

2854
05:00:05,940 --> 05:00:12,400
that is partially funded or supported by the county through United Way. And people expect

2855
05:00:12,820 --> 05:00:19,040
the same kind of thing. I need the help now, and I know what I need. But those operators

2856
05:00:19,740 --> 05:00:24,960
are connectors. They're saying, here's where the resources are. Let me help you connect

2857
05:00:25,740 --> 05:00:30,700
Is it terribly frustrating when you might not have a phone, when you might not have Internet?

2858
05:00:31,260 --> 05:00:37,740
So we're constantly searching for ways to fix things for people, and we appreciate feedback like that,

2859
05:00:37,800 --> 05:00:43,500
because we started the tracking of the grievances because of feedback like yours.

2860
05:00:43,800 --> 05:00:45,960
So I appreciate it, and I'm here for it.

2861
05:00:46,140 --> 05:00:51,480
And I think when we all come together and put community first, we put the people in the center of the solution

2862
05:00:51,480 --> 05:00:56,220
Instead of visualizing them as the problem, then I think we all benefit.

2863
05:00:56,560 --> 05:01:00,440
And it's only when we come together and hear all the different voices at the table

2864
05:01:00,900 --> 05:01:02,820
is that when we can come up with solutions.

2865
05:01:06,740 --> 05:01:07,140
Good.

2866
05:01:08,600 --> 05:01:13,780
I have Commissioner Somerville next in the queue and I know I have Kristen online

2867
05:01:13,780 --> 05:01:17,160
who can answer some questions with use of 2L.

2868
05:01:17,300 --> 05:01:21,040
So I want to point out that Tony, the director of OCD is here too,

2869
05:01:21,040 --> 05:01:26,720
You might have to be able to answer questions for us also, but I'll go to Commissioner Somerville

2870
05:01:26,720 --> 05:01:30,280
first and then we'll go back to Kristen to help answer you, so it's a question.

2871
05:01:32,370 --> 05:01:39,990
Yeah, I think that I just wanted to point out like barrier busters is is like a glomerate

2872
05:01:39,990 --> 05:01:44,690
of all of the organizations that can be an access point for eviction prevention dollars.

2873
05:01:45,870 --> 05:01:51,030
And then like one of the ways people get connected to those organizations before

2874
05:01:51,030 --> 05:01:54,870
where they can get funding approvals like calling hawk and having eviction for work.

2875
05:01:55,190 --> 05:02:01,230
So just to write that's my understanding. So I just wanted to clarify, but I think maybe

2876
05:02:01,790 --> 05:02:07,650
Kristen on the line there who knows more about this than I do can clarify some of the questions

2877
05:02:07,650 --> 05:02:09,810
that Commissioner Robbie and Commissioner Sanders had.

2878
05:02:11,370 --> 05:02:14,450
Maybe this is a good place for Chris to jump in here.

2879
05:02:14,990 --> 05:02:19,510
Maybe I should turn my microphone on. Maybe this is a good place for Kristen to jump in here.

2880
05:02:19,510 --> 05:02:23,510
Good morning, folks. Can y'all hear me okay? Good morning.

2881
05:02:25,190 --> 05:02:33,510
It's officially midnight. This is Kristin Cunis, the OC supervisor. I just wanted to go back to Commissioner Robbie's question regarding SOS.

2882
05:02:33,950 --> 05:02:42,370
Just a point of clarification, SOS is the Prevention Assessment Agency for Washington County, which means they do complete prevention assessments for both individuals and families.

2883
05:02:42,370 --> 05:02:48,030
Similar to what Pam had mentioned, when we released a request for proposals process for

2884
05:02:48,030 --> 05:02:53,210
both the call center and other roles within coordinated entry, only SOS volunteered and

2885
05:02:53,210 --> 05:02:57,430
identified themselves as an interested entity to do that work.

2886
05:02:57,730 --> 05:03:01,730
And so that is why they're only currently the only nonprofit doing that work on behalf

2887
05:03:01,730 --> 05:03:02,590
of Washington County.

2888
05:03:02,710 --> 05:03:06,330
But again, they do do prevention for both individuals and families.

2889
05:03:09,440 --> 05:03:13,700
So does that mean that anybody wishing to access this money has to go through

2890
05:03:13,700 --> 05:03:19,180
SOS? They go through first and foremost the call center. The call center completes an intake

2891
05:03:19,180 --> 05:03:24,760
and then schedules a prevention assessment agency. But yes, SOS is the only authorized

2892
05:03:24,760 --> 05:03:29,720
agency that is responsible for completing the provisioned assessment. That assessment is pretty

2893
05:03:29,720 --> 05:03:37,600
thorough and so they are the only agency that has the discretion to do so. If another agency

2894
05:03:37,600 --> 05:03:44,800
If we wanted to, we would have to do another request for provost process and kind of open

2895
05:03:44,800 --> 05:03:46,460
that up to other entities.

2896
05:03:47,340 --> 05:03:52,120
So all barrier busters money, anybody that wants money from barrier busters has to go

2897
05:03:52,680 --> 05:03:57,000
ultimately get assessed by SOS in order to get barrier busters money.

2898
05:03:57,120 --> 05:03:59,320
No, just for eviction prevention.

2899
05:04:02,410 --> 05:04:07,410
So this $500,000 that we're putting forward is just for eviction prevention?

2900
05:04:09,790 --> 05:04:10,250
Yes.

2901
05:04:10,250 --> 05:04:13,450
Yes. Eviction prevention and diversion.

2902
05:04:15,560 --> 05:04:19,200
It's the most economical way to keep people

2903
05:04:19,200 --> 05:04:26,140
housed. Sure. But I mean, those are not the only purposes that barrier busters can be used.

2904
05:04:26,460 --> 05:04:31,700
No, no barrier busters. This money that we're putting forward is just for that purpose

2905
05:04:31,700 --> 05:04:37,680
within barrier busters. Yes. So we're creating like a special category within barrier busters

2906
05:04:37,680 --> 05:04:40,540
just for this. Just for this, right. Barrier busters

2907
05:04:40,540 --> 05:04:45,400
is a conglomeration of many different funding streams that deal with all different kinds

2908
05:04:45,400 --> 05:04:45,920
of things.

2909
05:04:46,680 --> 05:04:53,140
So like community mental health donates or grants $40,000 to barrier busters, different

2910
05:04:53,140 --> 05:04:58,980
municipalities within our community donates barrier busters, and they all come with specific

2911
05:04:58,980 --> 05:05:00,740
stipulations from the donor.

2912
05:05:01,440 --> 05:05:05,160
So like let's say Pittsfield Township gives $20,000.

2913
05:05:05,500 --> 05:05:07,920
They can say it's only for Pittsfield Township residents.

2914
05:05:07,920 --> 05:05:12,000
Or if CMH, it's only for CMH clients.

2915
05:05:12,640 --> 05:05:19,080
So there's a different variety of funding streams that is braided into what barrier busters is.

2916
05:05:19,280 --> 05:05:20,580
This is one component.

2917
05:05:23,260 --> 05:05:23,520
Okay.

2918
05:05:24,980 --> 05:05:35,740
I guess like I would be more comfortable if we remove that part of the resolution that says as referred by SOS because I mean, I would just rather take barrier busters.

2919
05:05:35,740 --> 05:05:41,500
But if my colleagues don't agree, then that's fine.

2920
05:05:42,060 --> 05:05:43,060
Commissioner LaVar.

2921
05:05:44,840 --> 05:05:49,280
Commissioner Ravi, I hear your point there.

2922
05:05:50,260 --> 05:05:53,460
SOS has that designation within the system,

2923
05:05:54,200 --> 05:05:58,600
in part because of what Pam just spoke about and what Christian just spoke about,

2924
05:05:59,220 --> 05:06:04,600
that they're the ones who are, in this case, the only ones stepping up

2925
05:06:04,600 --> 05:06:08,860
and willing to do that work with the designation.

2926
05:06:10,140 --> 05:06:15,880
And so I, to some degree, removing that language

2927
05:06:15,880 --> 05:06:19,260
would be detrimental to that system.

2928
05:06:19,840 --> 05:06:24,480
Maybe in the future, we can come up

2929
05:06:24,480 --> 05:06:27,060
with accommodating language to speak to, I think,

2930
05:06:27,200 --> 05:06:29,920
what is your concern, which I think I have a sense of.

2931
05:06:29,920 --> 05:06:34,680
But I would argue, let's keep it as is tonight

2932
05:06:35,680 --> 05:06:38,600
and try and do that in the future if needed.

2933
05:06:39,200 --> 05:06:39,880
Thanks, Chair.

2934
05:06:40,300 --> 05:06:40,820
Thank you.

2935
05:06:41,620 --> 05:06:42,140
Mr. Sanders.

2936
05:06:44,910 --> 05:06:47,730
Pam, do we have a, I'm asking this for a reason.

2937
05:06:47,850 --> 05:06:49,790
I think I know the answer, but it may not be,

2938
05:06:51,770 --> 05:06:53,370
the public may not be aware.

2939
05:06:54,230 --> 05:07:00,450
There is a maximum, there is per family, per year, right?

2940
05:07:00,450 --> 05:07:09,010
that we can spend to prevent eviction. Are you comfortable sharing that? The only

2941
05:07:09,010 --> 05:07:13,470
reason I'm asking you is because I've met that maximum with at least one of my

2942
05:07:13,470 --> 05:07:20,230
constituents and they I think they felt that I was being cruel by not

2943
05:07:20,230 --> 05:07:27,510
exceeding that maximum. It's three thousand dollars. I exceeded it. I didn't

2944
05:07:27,510 --> 05:07:31,190
I thought it was more than, I think it was more than that.

2945
05:07:31,210 --> 05:07:33,030
I didn't ask for it to be exceeded,

2946
05:07:33,170 --> 05:07:35,930
but I wanted you to share that publicly

2947
05:07:36,490 --> 05:07:40,350
so that people understand it's not an unlimited pot.

2948
05:07:41,030 --> 05:07:42,950
So once you get that amount,

2949
05:07:43,470 --> 05:07:45,270
you can't turn around two months later

2950
05:07:45,770 --> 05:07:47,630
and be in the same situation

2951
05:07:48,150 --> 05:07:49,790
and expect that we are gonna be able

2952
05:07:49,790 --> 05:07:51,810
to give you additional funding.

2953
05:07:52,410 --> 05:07:53,230
Right, correct.

2954
05:07:53,450 --> 05:07:55,510
It might be great for Barry Buster's

2955
05:07:55,510 --> 05:07:56,670
to come in and do a presentation

2956
05:07:56,670 --> 05:07:58,970
during working session or a BOC session.

2957
05:08:00,090 --> 05:08:01,130
I'm not a simulation.

2958
05:08:01,870 --> 05:08:03,110
I would love a simulation.

2959
05:08:03,430 --> 05:08:04,830
Sure. We can share all the data.

2960
05:08:05,370 --> 05:08:07,350
And going back to Commissioner Robbie,

2961
05:08:07,750 --> 05:08:12,790
it's the reason SOS is in place is to make sure that they're doing the assessment

2962
05:08:12,790 --> 05:08:15,450
so that your tax dollars are spent wisely

2963
05:08:15,450 --> 05:08:17,570
or all donations are spent wisely

2964
05:08:17,570 --> 05:08:20,550
that people aren't coming back again and again

2965
05:08:20,550 --> 05:08:22,330
or that they are indeed eligible.

2966
05:08:22,330 --> 05:08:27,210
So it's a plus for the system. SOS does great work.

2967
05:08:27,790 --> 05:08:33,850
And I know that there are a variety of opinions, but I could say there's a variety of opinions about every service that's offered.

2968
05:08:34,150 --> 05:08:42,810
Because if somebody needs something and you don't have it when they need it, then you're not, you know, you're not meeting their immediate need.

2969
05:08:45,220 --> 05:08:46,300
Are you still going?

2970
05:08:46,300 --> 05:08:54,240
Last thing is that I'm not saying I don't I understand why the process why we

2971
05:08:54,240 --> 05:09:00,400
need to have the processes right I have recently myself tried to get someone a

2972
05:09:00,400 --> 05:09:05,340
family housed it wasn't an eviction situation but they were homeless and

2973
05:09:06,200 --> 05:09:11,980
after like making an emergency call right then calling the lift they

2974
05:09:11,980 --> 05:09:21,360
refused. They prefer to sleep with two children outside. They did not want to be

2975
05:09:21,360 --> 05:09:27,840
even put in a hotel overnight. And so what I have learned through that and other

2976
05:09:27,840 --> 05:09:34,040
processes is we have the processes because we need to make sure that I

2977
05:09:34,680 --> 05:09:35,780
don't know how to say this

2978
05:09:37,950 --> 05:09:42,370
that families that are well versed in our

2979
05:09:42,370 --> 05:09:49,490
systems are not taking advantage of the system, meaning you go one place, you get help, you

2980
05:09:49,490 --> 05:09:52,010
might get put out because you don't want to follow the rules.

2981
05:09:52,510 --> 05:09:54,010
And then you go to another place.

2982
05:09:54,850 --> 05:10:02,370
The point of having the central system is that you have access to all of those records

2983
05:10:02,890 --> 05:10:08,430
and you can say, well, we've offered this, they didn't return our phone calls or they

2984
05:10:08,430 --> 05:10:10,650
were not responsive to our case workers.

2985
05:10:10,650 --> 05:10:20,730
So I understand that doesn't mean that there are not some emergencies that I'm going to tell you I don't care about the process.

2986
05:10:21,010 --> 05:10:23,950
I want these babies housed at least overnight.

2987
05:10:24,390 --> 05:10:28,750
But I do understand that there are reasons why we have the process.

2988
05:10:29,550 --> 05:10:32,770
And I think that we do have solutions on the horizon.

2989
05:10:32,770 --> 05:10:38,970
You know with the new shelter opening at Trinity through IHN and alpha house there will be 30 more

2990
05:10:38,970 --> 05:10:42,050
You know 30 more rooms available for people so that when

2991
05:10:42,910 --> 05:10:48,790
You know Shona tells the story that a mom is on the street at 1 a.m. She has a place to go so

2992
05:10:49,490 --> 05:10:55,450
And I and I think the county and the state actually for bringing dollars together to make that happen. So

2993
05:10:59,390 --> 05:11:00,350
commissioner summerville

2994
05:11:01,630 --> 05:11:03,630
Number three things I wanted to bring up but I

2995
05:11:04,510 --> 05:11:09,890
The comment about the limitations, I just want to point out the limitations, the way

2996
05:11:09,890 --> 05:11:13,470
that I understand it, the money that we get from the feds, there are like strict limitations,

2997
05:11:13,710 --> 05:11:18,250
but the money that we've been putting in from our general fund could be more flexible

2998
05:11:18,250 --> 05:11:21,830
and I brought this up a few times when we've had these conversations about eviction prevention

2999
05:11:21,830 --> 05:11:26,210
because I do think that hopefully in the future we can figure out ways to put

3000
05:11:26,210 --> 05:11:31,970
more money into eviction prevention annually and look at people who say in the beginning

3001
05:11:31,970 --> 05:11:37,810
of the year run into a situation and crisis within that frame of not being able to use

3002
05:11:37,810 --> 05:11:43,810
federal dollars. Again, we still have our own general fund. Same thing with like the

3003
05:11:43,810 --> 05:11:48,330
senior millage if we're trying to prevent senior homelessness. And I could see a lot

3004
05:11:48,330 --> 05:11:51,810
of scenarios now with some of the things happening at the federal level where we may

3005
05:11:51,810 --> 05:11:57,090
want to use millage dollars for an older adult more than once a year that would

3006
05:11:57,090 --> 05:12:01,730
exceed $3,000. And so there are certain funds that we get that we use for eviction

3007
05:12:01,730 --> 05:12:06,270
prevention that are restricted and then there's general fund and millage fund that are more

3008
05:12:06,270 --> 05:12:10,930
flexible and it's always cheaper to prevent homelessness. So I just wanted to point that

3009
05:12:10,930 --> 05:12:18,510
out and then I know it's when we've gotten presentations on hawk in particular there's

3010
05:12:18,510 --> 05:12:23,170
like the scenario drawn out there's the main call center and then the path if you're an adult

3011
05:12:23,170 --> 05:12:30,630
or family and those requirements by the state of Michigan and so all the points that you

3012
05:12:30,630 --> 05:12:34,330
already made but I just wanted to clarify like in the past when we've seen this kind

3013
05:12:34,330 --> 05:12:37,790
of laid out that those are the directions that it points you in.

3014
05:12:41,000 --> 05:12:42,100
Part of the reason

3015
05:12:42,580 --> 05:12:48,440
even though it's like somewhat not related to the winter sheltering proposal but I think

3016
05:12:48,440 --> 05:12:54,280
some of the reason why there's still some negative feelings associated with hawk and

3017
05:12:54,280 --> 05:12:58,980
even like the pathway for families and I hope some of that has changed because

3018
05:12:58,980 --> 05:13:03,800
we put more money into the system last year that set up the process for families, like

3019
05:13:03,800 --> 05:13:07,580
I would say back in my first year on the board, we were getting a lot of complaints about

3020
05:13:07,580 --> 05:13:12,020
the timeline. Part of the problem was SOS, even though they could take in the calls,

3021
05:13:12,140 --> 05:13:15,620
they didn't have anywhere to put people. And that, like my thought, and that was, well,

3022
05:13:15,640 --> 05:13:19,640
we have to either, like us, we have to make the decision that we want to figure out

3023
05:13:19,640 --> 05:13:23,520
how to have master leases so we can actually have places to place people because that's

3024
05:13:24,060 --> 05:13:28,260
the larger problem is when you have that many families calling because they need

3025
05:13:28,260 --> 05:13:30,380
to be rapid, really, housing, you don't have anywhere to put them.

3026
05:13:30,840 --> 05:13:34,980
And I don't expect people who are in crisis to be able to peel back those layers and understand.

3027
05:13:35,240 --> 05:13:42,820
And so to them, it's HAW or SLS and not the overall lack of support and resources for

3028
05:13:42,820 --> 05:13:43,400
the whole system.

3029
05:13:43,500 --> 05:13:50,100
And so I just wanted to point those out because I see it more of an issue of not the ability

3030
05:13:50,100 --> 05:13:54,700
for like our folks on the phone or SLS staff, it's more of like resources.

3031
05:13:54,700 --> 05:14:09,260
But all the feedback that I've gotten in the last year since we've increased the amount of money we're putting annually towards the winter shelter season, it's reducing a lot of the issues that we saw back in 2022, 2023.

3032
05:14:10,980 --> 05:14:20,340
So, honestly, consistency and being able to put more money in every year and figuring out how to do that, I think is what's going to make the biggest difference.

3033
05:14:20,340 --> 05:14:27,440
and also with HAWC, like, I mean, there was a whole, like, budget cycle where we still

3034
05:14:27,440 --> 05:14:33,160
didn't even appropriately fund the positions until kind of like the tail end of that.

3035
05:14:33,680 --> 05:14:39,160
So a lot of it, I mean, a lot of lessons learned, but historically there's not enough

3036
05:14:39,160 --> 05:14:42,780
money passed into the county to manage these systems, even though it's a requirement.

3037
05:14:43,520 --> 05:14:58,860
And so it's like we need more support that gets passed down to help with the call center to begin with I think I mean there's still things that we can improve with the call center of the state and feds gave us more support to do that so I just wanted to make those points.

3038
05:15:00,180 --> 05:15:04,500
And again, I appreciate you being able to try to answer all of these on the fly.

3039
05:15:04,820 --> 05:15:07,700
Absolutely. Commissioner Robby?

3040
05:15:10,280 --> 05:15:19,940
Somebody that comes through this process, goes to SOS, receives very investors' money. How do they know that it's counting money?

3041
05:15:23,840 --> 05:15:27,600
Well, when you say they, who do you mean they? You mean the client?

3042
05:15:27,800 --> 05:15:28,160
The client.

3043
05:15:28,340 --> 05:15:29,980
The case managers share it with them.

3044
05:15:29,980 --> 05:15:39,610
So that's a standard protocol that every conversation they talk about it being funding from Lushknot County.

3045
05:15:39,790 --> 05:15:44,710
If it is, because you also have real townships that even over other places.

3046
05:15:45,470 --> 05:15:47,730
But that's shared in every conversation that they have.

3047
05:15:48,350 --> 05:15:49,650
They're asked to do it.

3048
05:15:50,270 --> 05:15:53,170
So am I standing there with each case manager?

3049
05:15:56,680 --> 05:16:00,040
Is it built into our contract with SLS to provide that?

3050
05:16:00,040 --> 05:16:07,300
So the information, yeah, the county is always, it's always documented on their websites in

3051
05:16:07,300 --> 05:16:11,620
any like public statements they make, press releases, stuff like that.

3052
05:16:14,230 --> 05:16:16,230
I think we have really good partners.

3053
05:16:16,530 --> 05:16:20,550
This is an editorial and I understand that and you can cut me off, Chair, if you'd

3054
05:16:20,550 --> 05:16:20,890
like to.

3055
05:16:21,470 --> 05:16:25,610
But I think we're extremely fortunate to work in this community because the caliber

3056
05:16:25,610 --> 05:16:31,950
of the nonprofits and the executive leadership that we have is exceptional.

3057
05:16:32,210 --> 05:16:38,050
We were just complimented by MISTA, which is the Michigan State Housing Authority that

3058
05:16:38,050 --> 05:16:41,170
uses our COC as an example around the state.

3059
05:16:41,310 --> 05:16:45,910
And she's asked the MISTA representative as asked if we are willing.

3060
05:16:46,410 --> 05:16:47,590
Kristin Kunas, especially.

3061
05:16:47,990 --> 05:16:49,690
Kristin, thanks for staying up past your bedtime.

3062
05:16:50,150 --> 05:16:51,570
I appreciate it being on the phone.

3063
05:16:51,570 --> 05:16:58,250
It has been asked to mentor and talk about what we are doing in our community to make things better.

3064
05:16:58,730 --> 05:17:02,650
So I just want to give a shout out to the shelter employees.

3065
05:17:03,350 --> 05:17:08,310
They do an extremely difficult job dealing with a challenging population and they do it really well.

3066
05:17:08,910 --> 05:17:11,630
So thanks to all my partners out in the community.

3067
05:17:16,630 --> 05:17:31,630
I wasn't commenting on the quality of our partners. I think it's still, regardless of the quality of our partners, it's still important that the people receiving services understand that they're receiving services thanks because of the county and our contribution to those services.

3068
05:17:31,630 --> 05:17:37,350
and so I just I want to make sure that that is I know I've said this at every meeting and you

3069
05:17:37,350 --> 05:17:41,290
acknowledge that I say it at every meeting I'm just trying to make sure that it's actually becoming

3070
05:17:41,290 --> 05:17:46,950
part of our standard protocol of how we operate with these nonprofits and that when we're I mean

3071
05:17:46,950 --> 05:17:51,490
and this isn't just for barrier busters but all the other funding that we're providing today

3072
05:17:51,490 --> 05:17:56,670
too I want to make sure that and I'm not talking about like inviting all the commissioners

3073
05:17:56,670 --> 05:18:01,510
to a cookout. I'm saying like this it needs to be like the people that are receiving the service

3074
05:18:01,510 --> 05:18:07,370
and the members of the public need to know where their funding is going. It's in our contracts

3075
05:18:07,370 --> 05:18:13,810
with them. So I can send you the a template so you can see. Okay Tony has already sent it to me.

3076
05:18:13,870 --> 05:18:17,890
I'm just trying to make sure that it's actually getting done. Yeah it is. Okay.

3077
05:18:23,050 --> 05:18:24,550
I'm glad that

3078
05:18:24,550 --> 05:18:26,730
This is just for the conversation.

3079
05:18:27,750 --> 05:18:34,090
When people are in crisis mode, we can say it 10 times while they're panicking and their

3080
05:18:34,090 --> 05:18:38,130
heart's racing and they're trying to figure out all the pieces of what's going to happen

3081
05:18:38,130 --> 05:18:41,070
to them because they don't even know if they're going to get funding, they're not

3082
05:18:41,070 --> 05:18:41,670
going to remember.

3083
05:18:42,310 --> 05:18:47,290
And so I think a better solution for how we continue to make sure that the community

3084
05:18:47,290 --> 05:18:52,890
knows that we're investing in eviction prevention is to figure out creative ways to share

3085
05:18:52,890 --> 05:19:02,910
that out that's more palatable, more like visual because people in crisis, like even like it

3086
05:19:02,910 --> 05:19:11,110
doesn't, you're not thinking and you will forget because usually when you're under that

3087
05:19:11,110 --> 05:19:17,870
much stress, you're just, you're in fight or flight mode. So for me, you know, I and

3088
05:19:17,870 --> 05:19:24,110
And maybe we should bring forward a formal resolution for a better communications plan.

3089
05:19:24,250 --> 05:19:26,290
I personally really like our annual report.

3090
05:19:26,970 --> 05:19:32,830
I utilize that often when I'm talking with local units of government in my district because

3091
05:19:32,830 --> 05:19:37,970
I'm usually trying to encourage them to continue investing in extra barrier buster dollars

3092
05:19:38,590 --> 05:19:40,010
because there are a lot of pieces.

3093
05:19:40,590 --> 05:19:44,530
So if somebody from the city of Ypsilanti calls and gets approved for eviction funding,

3094
05:19:44,530 --> 05:19:49,710
are we telling them that the federal government, the state of Michigan, Washington County and the

3095
05:19:49,710 --> 05:19:53,730
city of Ypsilanti, like are we breaking down the percentages that's funding their eviction

3096
05:19:53,730 --> 05:19:58,910
prevention? That's overwhelming. And so I think our annual reports are great, but there might be

3097
05:19:58,910 --> 05:20:04,290
better ways that we can like share that information out through videos and maybe testimonials for

3098
05:20:04,290 --> 05:20:09,790
people who like voluntarily want to participate. And you know, I think that's a good way to

3099
05:20:09,790 --> 05:20:15,210
do it. Same thing with like the skip funding for people who were using those resources

3100
05:20:15,210 --> 05:20:20,250
for for eviction prevention. But the actual annual reports I find like visually pleasing

3101
05:20:20,250 --> 05:20:24,950
they're easy for me to show other elected officials at the local level like this is

3102
05:20:24,950 --> 05:20:28,690
actually what's happened in the city of Ypsilanti and this is why you should continue this

3103
05:20:28,690 --> 05:20:32,890
investment. And even when residents ask like what are you guys doing on eviction prevention

3104
05:20:32,890 --> 05:20:39,410
I can actually show them the annual report. And so you know there's probably ways

3105
05:20:39,410 --> 05:20:44,870
that we could get that out more regularly, like maybe every year, every two years we try to do more

3106
05:20:44,870 --> 05:20:53,850
of like a media push. Like I don't know, did we put out a press release this year when we had the

3107
05:20:53,850 --> 05:21:00,110
annual report? So maybe we try to like proactively get more interviews on it. I'm just thinking of

3108
05:21:00,110 --> 05:21:06,250
ways that we can get people who maybe never use the service or people who did use the service,

3109
05:21:06,250 --> 05:21:14,590
But we're in such a crisis at the time don't even realize like which entity is even the one that's like the main funder

3110
05:21:16,250 --> 05:21:18,290
That's the feedback that I've got from people like

3111
05:21:19,150 --> 05:21:23,850
It all happens. It happens really fast. Sometimes it gets denied. They don't really know and so

3112
05:21:24,710 --> 05:21:28,270
You know being able to communicate it in more creative ways

3113
05:21:28,270 --> 05:21:31,110
I think could be helpful our partners have been really helpful

3114
05:21:31,810 --> 05:21:32,970
there is a

3115
05:21:32,970 --> 05:21:42,450
Well, there was an NPR station WMU that does, fingers crossed it still is, Washtenaw United

3116
05:21:42,450 --> 05:21:47,510
and a lot of our partners have been on that and they talk about everything that they're

3117
05:21:47,510 --> 05:21:49,770
doing and their partnership with OCD.

3118
05:21:50,510 --> 05:21:54,930
The annual report has been really helpful as well as our social media channels.

3119
05:21:55,650 --> 05:22:00,910
But you raise a good point because we recently did Stacey Steele as the program manager

3120
05:22:00,910 --> 05:22:06,390
for barrier busters, did a great presentation to the leadership. Administrator Dill allowed

3121
05:22:06,390 --> 05:22:11,510
her to, you know, talk to the leadership, which is about 50 people, I think, 50 or 60

3122
05:22:11,510 --> 05:22:16,690
people. But that's an internal audience. And so you're just, you're bringing up the point

3123
05:22:16,690 --> 05:22:22,050
that we need to do better externally because internally our partners know about it and

3124
05:22:22,530 --> 05:22:26,590
the county knows about it, but we need to make sure that the external partners or

3125
05:22:26,590 --> 05:22:29,790
the external, you know, population knows about it. So thanks for that.

3126
05:22:34,420 --> 05:22:53,240
I just wanted to say I, and I understand where Commissioner Robbie is coming from about who provides the help making sure that those that are receiving the assistance knows that we're helping but we also have to be delicate because some folks come in, they're very ashamed.

3127
05:22:53,240 --> 05:22:58,800
They're in survival mode, they're just at their last, as Commissioner Somerville said,

3128
05:22:58,980 --> 05:23:04,920
and so by the time you sit down and you try to pull the resources from all of the agencies

3129
05:23:05,640 --> 05:23:11,340
and you're saying, well, I want you to know the county they did, X, Y, and Z, they don't

3130
05:23:11,340 --> 05:23:12,000
give a darn.

3131
05:23:12,840 --> 05:23:18,820
They just, they're just appreciative and thankful that they are getting the assistance

3132
05:23:18,820 --> 05:23:19,620
that they need.

3133
05:23:20,700 --> 05:23:23,020
And I have worked through social services.

3134
05:23:23,340 --> 05:23:24,580
I did it for a long time.

3135
05:23:24,780 --> 05:23:28,920
I worked in the PATH program where in Michigan works

3136
05:23:28,920 --> 05:23:30,900
where the funding was provided by the state,

3137
05:23:31,120 --> 05:23:33,120
then Michigan works will provide social services.

3138
05:23:33,280 --> 05:23:36,120
We worked with SOS, we worked through various busters.

3139
05:23:36,340 --> 05:23:39,020
And so money was coming and going from everywhere.

3140
05:23:40,800 --> 05:23:43,060
And majority of my clients, as I said,

3141
05:23:43,160 --> 05:23:45,080
did not give a damn about where it was coming from.

3142
05:23:45,180 --> 05:23:47,840
They just knew that it was gonna come or it was not.

3143
05:23:47,840 --> 05:23:52,860
And so us, going in and they say, you know who paid for this thing, that's, it's not

3144
05:23:52,860 --> 05:23:53,180
fair.

3145
05:23:53,500 --> 05:23:58,940
And people are in trouble and feel like I got to go and get a handout, I got to go and get

3146
05:23:58,940 --> 05:23:59,340
assistance.

3147
05:23:59,660 --> 05:24:00,260
They're ashamed.

3148
05:24:00,720 --> 05:24:05,980
And us always making sure now for our providers or for the organizations.

3149
05:24:06,360 --> 05:24:09,320
Yes, make sure that we promote that we are partners.

3150
05:24:09,560 --> 05:24:14,160
But for our clients or residents that receive the services, they'll see it.

3151
05:24:14,160 --> 05:24:22,740
They'll see it in the information packets, but the majority of the clients that I served

3152
05:24:23,760 --> 05:24:30,920
were very shamed and were just didn't. And so we come to say, I want you to know that,

3153
05:24:31,080 --> 05:24:36,560
you know, Washington County, they made this happen for you. That's not the correct thing to do.

3154
05:24:36,960 --> 05:24:42,140
And still working with individuals right now, I work with about five families

3155
05:24:42,140 --> 05:24:48,320
that are receiving services and the county is assisting and we have funded

3156
05:24:48,320 --> 05:24:53,600
different organizations to assist them I don't dare not I don't ever say you know

3157
05:24:53,600 --> 05:25:01,320
the county is making this possible I just don't do it because they're already

3158
05:25:01,320 --> 05:25:04,960
right here I just don't want to just push them in the ground and send them to

3159
05:25:04,960 --> 05:25:09,340
hell because you know like they already feel they feel that way and so let's

3160
05:25:09,340 --> 05:25:17,860
to be courteous of what and how we promote ourselves, you know, we're not

3161
05:25:17,860 --> 05:25:23,520
God, we are not the ultimate, we can't just do that and so please be careful, like

3162
05:25:23,520 --> 05:25:29,120
I said, I assist families right now and I do not want to say, you know, this is

3163
05:25:29,120 --> 05:25:35,620
possible because of the county and I get thank yous, you know what, I we

3164
05:25:35,620 --> 05:25:53,100
They know then just they're like, they figure it out coming you know is making this happen. So I am not in agreement with just pushing and pushing and making sure that those receive the services right one and that the case workers are like well you know why should I am not in agreement with that.

3165
05:25:53,340 --> 05:25:56,540
And that is not the way in the ideal way to do that

3166
05:26:00,120 --> 05:26:07,580
when somebody receives assistance, how do they receive it is like a direct transfer to their bank account.

3167
05:26:08,240 --> 05:26:10,460
No, it's paid directly to the landlord.

3168
05:26:11,120 --> 05:26:11,640
Okay.

3169
05:26:15,530 --> 05:26:15,810
Okay.

3170
05:26:16,070 --> 05:26:19,570
I just want to say that I, you know, I hear what everybody's saying.

3171
05:26:21,530 --> 05:26:31,450
The reality though is that we have a nonprofit that is meeting with individuals under the banner of their organization with their organization staff.

3172
05:26:31,450 --> 05:26:47,670
And if people are not clear about where the money is coming from, one would be susceptible to believe that it is just SOS or any nonprofit that is providing all of these services alone.

3173
05:26:48,010 --> 05:27:00,370
And I don't think that it is indicative of the importance role that government plays in supporting people's lives and livelihoods in our community.

3174
05:27:00,370 --> 05:27:05,350
And I do believe that it is important for folks who are receiving services to

3175
05:27:06,610 --> 05:27:10,170
Understand that it doesn't have to be like a big part would have to be a big show

3176
05:27:10,170 --> 05:27:15,810
But I do think it's important to understand where the money's coming from and that it is not a

3177
05:27:16,890 --> 05:27:20,850
Hand out that it is our community investing in the success of that individual

3178
05:27:25,130 --> 05:27:31,330
Any other questions comments or concerns commissioner lights are you did raise your hand and thank you

3179
05:27:31,330 --> 05:27:39,550
I just want to say that any support of services through any organization or through the county, there is never a direct deposit.

3180
05:27:40,230 --> 05:27:52,250
It is always provided. The funding is always given to the service provider. So if it's getting car assistance, it goes to a licensed mechanic.

3181
05:27:52,250 --> 05:27:59,630
If you are getting assistance with registration, insurance, whatever the case may be, it goes

3182
05:27:59,630 --> 05:28:02,930
directly to the state of Michigan, directly to whatever prior insurance.

3183
05:28:03,630 --> 05:28:12,410
If you are receiving clothing for interviewing, there is either the caseworker goes to the

3184
05:28:12,410 --> 05:28:18,870
store with the person receiving the service and they pay for it and they take that receipt

3185
05:28:18,870 --> 05:28:27,730
back and they log in. There is never a direct monetary checks provided to the individual.

3186
05:28:29,330 --> 05:28:35,330
And I don't want to make this seem like it's a back and forth, but I understand what Commissioner

3187
05:28:35,330 --> 05:28:42,610
Robbie is saying, but I just wanted to be clear that the organization or the agency,

3188
05:28:42,610 --> 05:28:50,530
see they let you know that they have that information that we are a provider of funding

3189
05:28:51,030 --> 05:28:57,350
that is wonderful. But as I said, sitting down with individuals that I did for six years,

3190
05:28:58,290 --> 05:29:08,370
that was not the number one on my mind because some of them were either homeless, some of

3191
05:29:08,370 --> 05:29:16,390
them had CPS cases and me telling them that the organization that I work with, that was

3192
05:29:16,390 --> 05:29:22,510
not the number one goal. I didn't do here because guess what? It's not my personal money. This

3193
05:29:22,510 --> 05:29:27,290
is not our personal money. And it is not a handout. Yes, we want them to know that.

3194
05:29:27,550 --> 05:29:35,650
But being a seasoned case manager, I can smell somebody's BS from a mile away. So if you

3195
05:29:35,650 --> 05:29:38,890
were coming thinking you were getting a handout and you're gonna do the over don't

3196
05:29:38,890 --> 05:29:43,410
know me it never works and I knew and I will tell them this is not my money

3197
05:29:43,410 --> 05:29:47,450
however but you're not gonna play the system so a lot of caseworkers are

3198
05:29:47,450 --> 05:29:52,330
seeking that way they know but just telling somebody you know those the

3199
05:29:52,330 --> 05:29:58,030
communists that's not it it is not it and I think until you have

3200
05:29:58,030 --> 05:29:59,890
experienced it one-on-one work

3201
05:30:03,900 --> 05:30:09,720
We're not going to clearly understand from one another how that works, because if somebody

3202
05:30:09,720 --> 05:30:14,660
came and said, hey, you know, the county is the one who provided this amount, okay, that's

3203
05:30:14,660 --> 05:30:18,280
great, guess what? Somebody's helping me.

3204
05:30:21,060 --> 05:30:24,580
So I just, and like I said, I understand, I think

3205
05:30:24,580 --> 05:30:33,280
the organization to have to make sure that they provide that Washington County is allocating

3206
05:30:33,280 --> 05:30:40,280
funds to their organization to make services happen. But having the case workers to pass

3207
05:30:40,280 --> 05:30:44,860
that along to clients or residents, that is not the answer. It's not a good look.

3208
05:30:45,380 --> 05:30:51,520
And I just recommend that we do not push that through our organizations or any case

3209
05:30:51,520 --> 05:30:51,780
work.

3210
05:30:54,010 --> 05:31:03,700
Commissioner Beaman. Thank you chair. I'd like to call the question support. Hey, Ashlyn.

3211
05:31:18,470 --> 05:31:29,150
Commissioner Somerville. Yes. Commissioner Beaman. Yes. Commissioner Hodge. Yes. Commissioner LaBar.

3212
05:31:29,150 --> 05:31:29,710
Yes.

3213
05:31:30,350 --> 05:31:31,430
Commissioner Light.

3214
05:31:31,930 --> 05:31:32,230
Yes.

3215
05:31:33,290 --> 05:31:34,170
Commissioner Macias.

3216
05:31:34,450 --> 05:31:34,810
Yes.

3217
05:31:35,790 --> 05:31:36,650
Commissioner Robbie.

3218
05:31:37,990 --> 05:31:39,050
Commissioner Sanders.

3219
05:31:39,590 --> 05:31:39,810
Yes.

3220
05:31:40,430 --> 05:31:41,330
Commissioner Scott.

3221
05:31:41,810 --> 05:31:42,970
Ten thousand times yes.

3222
05:31:43,810 --> 05:31:44,690
Motion passed.

3223
05:31:45,910 --> 05:31:48,170
So I'll vote on item K please.

3224
05:31:52,030 --> 05:31:52,790
Commissioner Beeman.

3225
05:31:53,250 --> 05:31:53,470
Yes.

3226
05:31:54,370 --> 05:31:55,310
Commissioner Hodge.

3227
05:31:55,470 --> 05:31:55,630
Yes.

3228
05:31:56,370 --> 05:31:57,430
Commissioner LaBar.

3229
05:31:57,710 --> 05:31:57,890
Yes.

3230
05:31:58,790 --> 05:31:59,490
Commissioner Light.

3231
05:32:00,090 --> 05:32:00,330
Yes.

3232
05:32:00,330 --> 05:32:01,230
Yes.

3233
05:32:01,230 --> 05:32:02,350
Commissioner Muffiesty.

3234
05:32:02,570 --> 05:32:02,850
Yes.

3235
05:32:03,690 --> 05:32:04,650
Commissioner Robbie.

3236
05:32:05,870 --> 05:32:06,830
Commissioner Sanders.

3237
05:32:08,070 --> 05:32:08,710
Yes.

3238
05:32:09,830 --> 05:32:10,710
Commissioner Scott.

3239
05:32:11,250 --> 05:32:11,490
Yes.

3240
05:32:12,190 --> 05:32:13,210
Commissioner Summerville.

3241
05:32:13,590 --> 05:32:13,990
Yes.

3242
05:32:14,550 --> 05:32:15,090
Motion passed.

3243
05:32:16,070 --> 05:32:29,030
Right, we're on to item Q. I just also just want to make a quick note. I want to gently remind us based on the conversation, not just from this last one, but a few things to try to say.

3244
05:32:29,030 --> 05:32:35,330
focused on the resolutions currently before us. I know that contact and past decisions

3245
05:32:35,330 --> 05:32:41,110
can be important. The discussion is most productive at this table when we're addressing the specifics

3246
05:32:41,110 --> 05:32:48,290
at hand rather than revisiting settled matters or exploring hypotheticals. So let's work

3247
05:32:48,290 --> 05:32:54,330
together for the last two items on our agenda. Don't forget we have a supplemental to

3248
05:32:54,330 --> 05:33:01,770
Let's work together to start conversation grounded in the current action items so we can move forward effectively.

3249
05:33:02,210 --> 05:33:06,330
Let's try to continue to do that at all the meetings past tonight as well, too.

3250
05:33:06,770 --> 05:33:13,610
There is a lot of hypothetical and revisiting past discussion, and we are veering from talking about actual matters at hand.

3251
05:33:13,830 --> 05:33:15,330
So let's try to stay focused.

3252
05:33:16,130 --> 05:33:21,850
Item Q, a resolution to adopt the revived payment interns policy from Corporation Council.

3253
05:33:21,850 --> 05:33:23,930
Questions, comments, and concerns.

3254
05:33:26,890 --> 05:33:27,730
Commissioner Robby.

3255
05:33:28,090 --> 05:33:33,490
I think we should pay our interns and I'm going to vote no on this change because it would make it so that we don't have to pay our interns anymore.

3256
05:33:34,570 --> 05:33:36,810
Any other questions, comments, or concerns?

3257
05:33:40,530 --> 05:33:41,030
Good job.

3258
05:33:42,690 --> 05:33:44,070
We'll call a roll on that one.

3259
05:33:50,400 --> 05:33:51,360
Commissioner Hodge.

3260
05:33:51,560 --> 05:33:51,680
Yes.

3261
05:33:52,780 --> 05:33:53,520
Commissioner LaBar.

3262
05:33:53,860 --> 05:33:54,200
Yes.

3263
05:33:54,880 --> 05:33:55,600
Commissioner Light.

3264
05:33:56,120 --> 05:33:56,520
Yes.

3265
05:33:57,480 --> 05:33:58,440
Commissioner Matiaski.

3266
05:33:58,640 --> 05:33:58,880
Yes.

3267
05:33:59,720 --> 05:34:00,620
Commissioner Robby.

3268
05:34:01,780 --> 05:34:02,840
Mr. Sanders?

3269
05:34:03,940 --> 05:34:04,540
Yes.

3270
05:34:05,320 --> 05:34:06,060
Mr. Scott?

3271
05:34:06,520 --> 05:34:06,640
Yep.

3272
05:34:07,460 --> 05:34:08,500
Commissioner Somerville?

3273
05:34:08,740 --> 05:34:08,980
Yes.

3274
05:34:09,900 --> 05:34:10,780
Commissioner Beaman?

3275
05:34:10,980 --> 05:34:11,240
Yes.

3276
05:34:11,820 --> 05:34:12,420
Motion passed.

3277
05:34:13,360 --> 05:34:13,640
Okay.

3278
05:34:15,100 --> 05:34:18,280
The lovely Ashley Hall is passing us the supplemental.

3279
05:34:19,260 --> 05:34:19,960
Thank you.

3280
05:34:25,260 --> 05:34:26,960
Commissioner Hodge, are you going to move that?

3281
05:34:26,980 --> 05:34:27,200
Yeah.

3282
05:34:27,260 --> 05:34:27,820
Thank you.

3283
05:34:27,960 --> 05:34:28,220
Thank you.

3284
05:34:28,300 --> 05:34:32,040
I'm going to move a resolution authorizing a settlement in the ongoing foreclosure

3285
05:34:32,040 --> 05:34:35,380
litigation Fox at all versus Washtenaw at all.

3286
05:34:36,100 --> 05:34:37,260
Do I have a second?

3287
05:34:38,820 --> 05:34:39,700
Any discussion?

3288
05:34:43,740 --> 05:34:44,080
Okay.

3289
05:34:44,920 --> 05:34:47,260
Seeing none, we'll have a vote.

3290
05:34:50,440 --> 05:34:51,360
Commissioner LaValle?

3291
05:34:51,720 --> 05:34:51,980
Yes.

3292
05:34:52,580 --> 05:34:53,480
Commissioner Light?

3293
05:34:54,040 --> 05:34:54,260
Yes.

3294
05:34:54,880 --> 05:34:55,960
Commissioner Matiaski?

3295
05:34:56,340 --> 05:34:56,560
Yes.

3296
05:34:57,480 --> 05:34:58,420
Commissioner Robbie?

3297
05:35:00,660 --> 05:35:01,080
Mr. Sanders?

3298
05:35:01,520 --> 05:35:01,940
Yes.

3299
05:35:02,640 --> 05:35:03,400
Commissioner Scott?

3300
05:35:03,780 --> 05:35:04,020
Yep.

3301
05:35:04,740 --> 05:35:05,720
Commissioner Somerville?

3302
05:35:05,860 --> 05:35:06,040
Yes.

3303
05:35:06,040 --> 05:35:06,320
Yes.

3304
05:35:07,580 --> 05:35:08,340
Yes.

3305
05:35:09,120 --> 05:35:09,880
Yes.

3306
05:35:11,860 --> 05:35:12,240
Okay.

3307
05:35:14,920 --> 05:35:21,600
Items for current and future discussion we did close session and I moved away from liaison reports apparently so quickly.

3308
05:35:21,600 --> 05:35:26,240
really hours ago, I miss Commissioner Robbie. Commissioner Robbie?

3309
05:35:27,040 --> 05:35:30,900
I'll just keep it quick, but I just want to let everybody know that both at the Environmental

3310
05:35:30,900 --> 05:35:37,020
Council and at the Heron River Waterford Council, we have been in intense discussions

3311
05:35:37,020 --> 05:35:44,580
about the oncoming onslaught of data centers to our county, and there is deep concern

3312
05:35:45,260 --> 05:35:51,440
that is growing in both entities, and I think that there will be an ask for us

3313
05:35:51,440 --> 05:35:53,780
takes some sort of action at our next meeting.

3314
05:35:56,090 --> 05:35:58,550
Any other items for current and future discussion?

3315
05:36:00,270 --> 05:36:05,810
Richard Hodge? Just really quickly, Kevin Mercer from WMU was here earlier yesterday

3316
05:36:05,810 --> 05:36:09,550
and it was his birthday. So he came, yeah, and he had the late

3317
05:36:09,550 --> 05:36:14,170
meeting the other night. So they said my birthday, wherever you are, Kevin, happy

3318
05:36:14,170 --> 05:36:14,950
I believe it's worth it.

3319
05:36:15,630 --> 05:36:17,170
Happy birthday, Kevin.

3320
05:36:18,930 --> 05:36:23,170
Thank you to staff for staying for another late night.

3321
05:36:23,650 --> 05:36:25,850
Any other current and future discussions?

3322
05:36:27,010 --> 05:36:29,710
All I can say is summer schedule is nice,

3323
05:36:29,750 --> 05:36:32,590
but it will be good to go back to two meetings a month.

3324
05:36:32,930 --> 05:36:36,270
And hopefully not being here till after midnight.

3325
05:36:36,870 --> 05:36:38,130
Good motion to adjourn?

3326
05:36:38,450 --> 05:36:38,850
To move.

3327
05:36:39,190 --> 05:36:39,410
Court.

3328
05:36:39,690 --> 05:36:40,130
All in favor?

3329
05:36:40,390 --> 05:36:40,730
Aye.

3330
05:36:41,170 --> 05:36:41,450
Goodbye.

3331
05:36:41,930 --> 05:36:42,210
Good night.

3332
05:36:42,450 --> 05:36:43,010
Thank you.

3333
05:36:45,870 --> 05:36:46,510
No.

3334
05:36:48,690 --> 05:36:49,330
No.

3335
05:36:49,830 --> 05:36:50,950
Not be happy.

3336
05:36:53,650 --> 05:36:54,430
What's going to happen?

3337
05:36:54,830 --> 05:36:54,990
Hi.