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This is the Waterberry Select Board

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meeting for September 15th in the

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Waterberry Municipal Offices. We'll open

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the meeting

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and review and approve the agenda.

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Roger.

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>> I want you want to add make an addition

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in the select board matters second item.

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It says steel room audio visual. I want

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to add also room arrangement

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improvements.

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So three three topics sort of all say

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>> audio visual room.

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>> Okay. Room of

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» All right. Anything else?

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Go for it, mister.

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>> I'll move to approve the agenda as

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amended.

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>> I'll second that.

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>> Any further discussion? All those in

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favor say I.

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>> I.

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>> Uh, approval of the previous minutes.

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>> This one.

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>> Oh, excuse me. Public, you know, I

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checked the wrong box. All right. Public

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comment. Is there any public comment?

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How many do we have our trailer?

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» All right.

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Um, I'm going to move on to approve the

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previous minutes of September 1st.

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>> So, I'm not sure that we ever approved

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the minutes from the special meeting

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that we had. couldn't find where we had

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and

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we didn't get to the same.

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>> No, I went back and reviewed it. I

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>> I think somebody was drowning your mouth

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about I had something.

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>> So, um I'm going to ask could we put

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those on the next agenda?

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>> Sure.

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>> And we'll approve September 1st.

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>> Um

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and okay, hold on a second.

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that the general meeting. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Special meeting minutes or

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not,

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>> right?

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[clears throat]

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» All right. Thanks, Andy. Any questions

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or comments or edits to the minutes of

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September 1st?

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I move to approve the minutes from

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September 1st.

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>> Second.

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>> Any further discussion? All those in

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favor say I.

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>> I.

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>> All right.

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There are no consent agenda items. So,

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we're going to move to the fire

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department, natural disaster, and

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cruise.

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And who wants to go first? I think we're

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going to have fire department.

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» First to the table.

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>> Go for it.

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» Thank you for coming in.

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>> Well, it's my buddy

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>> with a smile. He says that. Uh so I'm

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presuming kind of same type of thing

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just going to feel you.

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>> Um currently we've gone up in membership

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a little bit. Um

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they're young people which will

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meaning there's still a couple in high

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school which is great. It catches their

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interest. I know have another one that's

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kind of playing in in the wind. He wants

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to try.

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>> I know that he probably is not going to

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stick around. He's looking to go to the

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Air Force Academy. uh probably not

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sticking around beyond involving a fire

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department. Um but anyways, we have some

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young people it which is great because

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some of us are bored uh or at least hold

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this job. Um so we're getting there. Uh

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apparatus everything's been good. We got

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the tower fixed. Uh it was kind of a

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scary time. The hydraulic cylinders were

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the levelers for the bucket. So, as the

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bucket level.

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>> Uh, they had to be removed

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and they were able to get them repacked,

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but took a while. New ones are $17,000 a

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piece. So, to go repacked. Um, but the

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problem was is ours, stoves, and plers

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were all out at the same time.

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recall it seems like a long ways, but

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when you're talking about getting other

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tower trucks to you, uh Wilston was in

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some parts of Waterberry was our first

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option. So,

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uh but everything's good to go now. Um

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our call volume over the summer,

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uh is not typical. Typically, our call

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volume during the summer is down. Um May

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which is not normal.

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anything specific that we could point

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our fingers at but this time around we

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have been getting a lot of faulty

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um smoke detector CO detectors

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somebody hasn't replaced the batteries.

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saying well I have hardwired ones not

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realizing that they actually have

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batteries in them as well. Now, it's an

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educational

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ad o owner call and somebody calls it in

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and it's at night and it's turns out

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usually once a year a skunk and we had

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that recently. So, we got that out of

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>> Gary, could I ask how many car accidents

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are those up? Seems like there's been a

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lot this summer.

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uh, for the last number of years, our

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percentage wise, our crashes are less

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than the other calls.

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accurate. Now, now that's if you

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eliminate the calls that we get for cell

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phone crash detection. We get a fair

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amount of those. And it's somebody that

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dropped their phone or they set it on

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their car and they went around the

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corner and it fell. And then we're out

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looking for a car that crashed and

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didn't crash and it is long gone.

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iPhone, it's automatically activated. So

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if you if it's dropped hard

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coming off the carrot it going to call

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saying that there's a crash detection

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and most time it is not there but we

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have had some that were so

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» so yeah there's there's that um you hit

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watch I [clears throat] got a

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four-year-old grandson that has a habit

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of hitting my watch and next thing I

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know it's getting ready to call 911.

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Save yourself. Uh I tried

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terrible record.

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effective today we um

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we're 50 calls higher than we were

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[clears throat] last year.

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of right, it's hard to tell. We never

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know what you're going to have. We're

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300 maybe 20 or 30 for the year whereas

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we're looking at not the highest we've

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ever had. A number of years ago, we

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does impact uh you know an alarm. But

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what I can say is every smoke detector

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activation is a fire until we get to the

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proof that it's not. Um we had a fire on

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the upper road. It came in as a smoke

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detector activation. Uh the next tone

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because we always get two in a row said

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that there was some smoke in the house

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and as we went around the corner um

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apparently all the fire was on the

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outside of the house and and smoke is on

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the inside. So

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>> I I believe that anytime we have a smoke

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detector activation

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>> But some people say ah it's just another

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smoke detector.

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That's you crime both kind of thing.

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>> I've been doing it long enough that you

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watch one more night of getting up in

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your own room.

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numbers? So, you're you're saying the

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summer numbers are are pretty much are

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year to date is sign significantly

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higher. Am I adding words? I shouldn't.

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and we've talked about smoke detectors.

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an impact. Um,

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but it does seem like this year we've

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really hard because nationally everybody

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had to switch reporting systems.

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>> and so it could be gotten but I have to

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call the vendor tell them exactly what I

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>> And it's kind of a real pain.

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>> Um I don't understand it. Um I don't

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think there's anybody on our department

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and many others that like the system

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because you can't add specific

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information. It's generalized. And

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wasn't helpful.

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>> Sure. Um,

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this past uh week we had the blood

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drive. Um, unfortunately

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they were short-handed and uh they were

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way behind. There were people that were

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hours waiting,

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which is it's tough when you show up

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short-handed and then one person leaves.

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but again, we had it um we have it every

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year and we've had it every year for how

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» 15 years.

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>> But it's worth a while.

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coming up. We have a flashoverfire

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behavior training next month. It's uh

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through the fire academy. And what that

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is, they will bring a trailer out here

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and they we have people going through

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an evening of training first and then u

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a live training. They go away. They

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light fires and they show mostly newer

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people what ventilation does, what it

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You get really dirty and salty here.

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Watch it from the outside. Uh and we

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have a National Fire Academy class that

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we're hosting uh for Vermont uh in

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January and that is arson investigation.

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that's kind of it. Um making use of the

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station, making use of our people.

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I don't have anything else that I can

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[clears throat] share that would be of

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interest.

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But if you have questions,

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>> questions from the board. I see a hand

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up online. Rebecca,

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» that is an accidental click. Sorry about

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that.

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Okay. Anyone here?

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Um, [clears throat] have you heard from

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the new town manager that there's budget

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work in the future?

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>> Really?

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>> Yeah,

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>> I have. She's talking about it.

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>> Great.

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>> Uh,

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>> on the horizon.

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>> It's on the horizon. Um

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>> yeah, it's I I explained to her that um

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because it's early that it's there's

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[clears throat]

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changes that likely happen,

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>> but I'm I'm sure I'll have draft one

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ready.

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>> There's a number of us in the learning

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mode, so we appreciate the process, if

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you will.

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>> It's fine for me.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Yes, please. Uh I have been getting to

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know several uh top managers in the area

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in my new role and everyone has gone out

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of their way to say what a outstanding

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fire department we have and how well

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respected you guys are.

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>> Great.

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>> So

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>> thank you. Um it's yeah it's it's a lot

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of work. Um I just kind of heard the

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cats and the big cats heard the little

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cats.

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>> So yeah, it's we've got some people that

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do a tremendous amount of work.

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Good.

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>> Yeah, we have we have good crew.

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>> Good leadership.

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>> Wow.

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» You're welcome.

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>> Really appreciate it.

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» Uh so they're natural.

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>> Thank you.

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>> You want to go?

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>> Sure.

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[clears throat]

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>> Huh?

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Are you representing?

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>> No, you're

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» somebody's on there from

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>> what?

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>> Somebody's on there.

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>> Uh, that's me.

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>> Oh, that's you. You're on there.

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>> In case I have something that

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>> Okay.

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>> I might share.

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>> Oh, yeah. We have that printed out

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>> uh something else. But uh I'm

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>> okay before you start speaking like

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there on the table is a a page that Mike

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shared with us recently so we weren't

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able to put it on the website but uh

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there's one for the board and then

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there's a couple extras over on the

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table

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and it sounds like we going to get some

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more show and tell.

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>> Yeah,

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>> go for it. We got a real

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>> Thank you.

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>> multimedia.

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» But

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>> just say your name for

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>> So Mike Casey, I am the executive

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director.

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I crew is community resilience for the

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war area. Um

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we are a uh nonprofit organization under

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the fiscal sponsorship of uh this very

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long period

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and we were founded in 2023 after the

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July 23 flood. uh

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founding members were uh Hawaii active

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in the volunteer management uh in 2023.

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Um and then crews formed as the

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long-term recovery group to assist with

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just that individual recovery coming out

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in 2023.

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Um, we

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also acted as uh the kind of leaders of

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the volunteer management in the December

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2023 flood and then again in July of

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2024

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um and did

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a lot of um

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case management and individual recovery

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work uh after those events as well. Of

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course, many of the same people were

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affected with multiple uh events there.

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Um crew in addition to Waterbury serves

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uh Middle Sex Mtown.

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Um and so yeah, recently um now that we

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are over two years out from the July

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2024 flood, um and sort of at the tail

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end of our

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individual recovery,

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uh we kind of took stock of what we've

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been doing over the last two years. um

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took all metaphorical piles of paper

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[laughter] and tried to compile uh some

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useful data for the town that we serve.

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So, we have these stat sheets for all

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five pounds. Um, and uh, the Waterbury one um, you know,

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hopefully gives uh,

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some

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context to how many folks in town uh,

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were affected. And um so the the big

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blue circle uh 147 known affected

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households those are homes that either

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um had called 211 or that we were made

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aware of via inerson canvas. Um

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2011 calls are self-reported. So, um the

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extent of

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the damage or um you know the incident

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at that person's house, it's up to them

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whether they

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uh side that warrants calling 211 to

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report the damage. Um we do encourage

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people to call 211 because that is um

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one of the major factors that goes into

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um assessing overall damage for a

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disaster and potentially requesting a

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federal disaster declaration.

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Um

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we do not have access to

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people who call people. Uh so uh we have

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an agreement with the state where they

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were sharing the 211 information so that

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we could use that for outreach. uh FEMA

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calls are pretty much done

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and

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>> and the timeline on 211 kind of sooner

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anyway. So

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for for our needs, but so that's you

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know I say known affected households um

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because in all likelihood there are

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probably people that just called FEMA

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and didn't call FEMA one but

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approximately 150 affected households

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that we were aware of in Waterberry. Um,

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Middle Sex also had around the same

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amount. Those were our two uh out of the

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five pounds, two highest uh numbers

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there. Um, we were able to reach

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[clears throat] um almost all of them.

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We had 127 in Waterbury households that

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we were able to contact. So that's after

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we get this screw 211 we start making

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calls we start sending text messages and

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so out of 147 we were able to make

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contact.

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Um and then kind of the good news is

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that the the next circle shrinks down

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quite a bit down to 69 homes that we

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actively assisted with their recovery.

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So that means um that the the rest of

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the households out of that 127 when we

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called them they said I've got it

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handled

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um you know

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either

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my cousin's coming over with the tractor

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and he's going to fix the driveway or

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we're bailing it out. We're going to

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call insurance oursel. We've been

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through this unfortunately here. You

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know we it's not our first rodeo. We

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know the drill. Um so uh that is that's a good sign um that we had a lot

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of folks who um were able to sort of

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self-resolve.

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Uh and then the homes that we did assist

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um

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spans from uh you know it could be

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making sure that they have the the right

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phone numbers to call and then kind of

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once they're on their way um they are

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able to see the process through um the

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FEMA appeals process if you haven't been

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lucky enough to go through it yourself

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is uh just about as fun and intuitive

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ive as you would imagine it would be. So

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we end up doing a lot of help um with

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folks kind of navigating that um

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construction management and planning for

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people that are actively doing

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rebuilding. Um and then we did have some

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grants uh that we were

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giving directly to folks if they have

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kind of exhausted all of their options

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for

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federal assistance. new grant

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administrator or how do you get those

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grants or is that just disseminated from

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the state?

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>> Uh that funding came from community

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foundation. Yeah.

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>> Uh the particular fund has changed

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names. It was the disaster recovery fund

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in 23 and then they changed it to the CO

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fund. Um but that money um

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there's a number about a dozen long-term

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recovery groups like ours throughout the

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state and uh

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many of those groups

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received money from BCF to

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distribute in.

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And so in Waterberry, uh that ended up

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being just over $40,000.

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Um we did just under $100,000 in um

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successful email appeals. And so this

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was sort of helping folks through the

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email appeal process like I was saying.

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Um

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often time

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>> cool.

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>> Oh yeah. Um, I was say oftentimes, um,

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what happens is, um, if your home is

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damaged, FEMA might, uh, they have sort

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of a standard initial amount that they

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will give you for, um, whatever line

519
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item, uh, whether it's a driveway or a kitchen or something

520
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like that. And then

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you get quotes from a contractor and you

522
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submit that. I think hopefully can can

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get something close to the actual

524
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um amount that it cost you. Um but

525
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there's a lot of parks.

526
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» Can you tell us a little bit about um

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the event with um Treasure Pichek and

528
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Summit? We're I got to kind of be

529
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watching the clock here. Nudge you along

530
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a little bit.

531
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>> Yeah. So, a couple weeks ago, um I was

532
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down in Planefield. Uh treasurer was

533
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doing a roundt listening session uh in

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several communities throughout the

535
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state. Uh this is part of the

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um

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climate super fund. Um it's an attempt

538
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to sort of put a

539
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dollar amount on um damages done

540
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through that could potentially be

541
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attributed to public damage.

542
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>> So is I understood that the state would

543
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be getting money and PC is preparing a

544
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report to support whether that's enough

545
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or what the actual costs were in the

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communities. Does that sound

547
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>> uh I think that's probably

548
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>> there were two separateities.

549
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>> Oh, okay.

550
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That's what I'm asking. Okay.

551
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>> I'm certainly not the person to ask

552
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whether whether or not the state is

553
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getting any money and I think it's I

554
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think this is the sort of beginning of

555
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what is likely to be a very long

556
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process. Uh but they are trying to

557
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um in addition to it being kind of just

558
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,840
a temperature check from a lot of these

559
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,159
communities on on how the recovery went

560
00:26:28,159 --> 00:26:30,320
the last two years. Um really what

561
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,720
they're trying to get at,

562
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,480
you know, what is the economic cost of a

563
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,520
disaster like uh through

564
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,120
people not being able to work, whether

565
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,320
it's because they need to take care of

566
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:45,760
their home, whether it's because their

567
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,520
business itself was flooded, whether

568
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,279
it's because they need to take time off

569
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,120
to be much old, whether they need to get

570
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,200
child care so that they can go to the

571
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,600
disaster recovery center and wait in

572
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,960
line. um you know all of these

573
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,640
everything from the very tangible to

574
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,240
these sort of intangibles that really

575
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,200
start to add up. Um

576
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,880
and also disproportionately affect

577
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,400
folks um you know if you are somebody

578
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,799
who has a desk job and can be shooting

579
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,279
off emails um you know in in between

580
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:23,279
calls. That's a lot different than um if

581
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,919
you are working on your feet all day and

582
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:28,720
can't take 15 minutes when FEMA just

583
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,400
decides to call you out of the blue to

584
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,600
answer your phone.

585
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,880
>> Um and so uh yeah, so they're trying to

586
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,640
track that kind of stuff.

587
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,480
>> Like just real quick, of the 69, how

588
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,919
many are open still? uh in waterberry

589
00:27:41,919 --> 00:27:44,240
and

590
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,200
uh actively doing some work with I think

591
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:55,190
we're down to one in

592
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,480
» Yeah. And so uh since the last time uh I

593
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,799
saw all of you, we've done a number of

594
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:02,240
events, some of them taking place in

595
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,559
this room. Uh we did a workshop on

596
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,399
home interventions. uh simple things

597
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:09,760
that folks can do to make their

598
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,159
properties more flood resilient. We did

599
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:14,720
a workshop specifically on flood

600
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,240
insurance and the national flood

601
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,480
insurance program.

602
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,360
Uh we did a rainarrel workshop at Makers

603
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,320
Gear um in conjunction with friends of

604
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,640
the Lucy River that quite popular

605
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,640
again. Uh we actually are going to be

606
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,200
doing another insurance workshop. Um,

607
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,600
we're hoping to do it in Middle Sex so

608
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,679
that we're not

609
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,000
doing everything in Waterbury, but steam

610
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,919
room is actually pretty

611
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:43,360
>> Oh, yeah. We're at the insurance

612
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,399
workshop.

613
00:28:44,399 --> 00:28:46,000
>> It's interesting to know numbers.

614
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,760
>> Yeah. Yeah. The insurance workshop

615
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,679
between in person and online. I'm

616
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:53,360
guessing both team um it was recorded

617
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,120
and it's available to view on our

618
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,000
website.

619
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,120
>> Oh, that's great.

620
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,880
>> Home resilience workshop.

621
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,679
>> Yeah. Um, and then, uh,

622
00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:07,200
we were at Water Parksfest, uh, with the

623
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,960
state DVC and their stream table, which

624
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,799
is like my favorite thing in the world.

625
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:15,760
This is a sort of slanted sandbox that

626
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,880
you can run a simulated uh, river or

627
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,919
stream through. Uh, and it's a very

628
00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:25,919
tangible way for folks to see how rivers

629
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:28,640
erode, uh, how different interventions

630
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,880
that you might make in a river, um, can

631
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,039
have short and long-term effects. Um,

632
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,039
it's really,

633
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,200
uh, you know, like we get asked about

634
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,080
dredging all the time. It's a really,

635
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,760
um,

636
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,240
nice way to demonstrate why we don't

637
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,240
really do that anymore.

638
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,120
and people kind of it clicks pretty

639
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,120
quickly when you can see it right in

640
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,760
front of you. Um we're going to be at

641
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,240
Warfest in Wartown with the screen table

642
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,720
again uh this weekend actually. Um

643
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,159
and uh I know that I'm trying to keep

644
00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:13,360
things moving along quickly here. Um, we

645
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,679
did just uh sort of officially

646
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:23,200
launch uh our Culver Crawlers um program

647
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,200
here in Lbury and that's what I was

648
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,039
going to share

649
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:31,919
on the screen. Um this is a

650
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:37,286
and I allowed to share.

651
00:30:37,296 --> 00:30:40,470
[clears throat]

652
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,039
Um, so Cobra Crawlers is

653
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:50,000
a covert monitoring program that

654
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:55,110
>> residents

655
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:01,590
um

656
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:06,761
this um

657
00:31:06,771 --> 00:31:12,149
[clears throat]

658
00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:30,149
We might need to

659
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:33,440
say I'm sharing. So anyways,

660
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,960
um

661
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,559
Cobra Crawlers is a covert um monitoring

662
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:43,279
and survey app uh for your smartphone.

663
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:47,440
Um this is something that um residents

664
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,679
can use to go out and uh essentially

665
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,960
report on the condition of cohorts in

666
00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:00,080
the community. Um, and that information

667
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,000
goes to a website that uh, in

668
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,600
Waterberry's case, Bill Woodruff has

669
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,840
access to. I was going to show you the

670
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,360
sort of map view that he look at, but

671
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,039
it's not a huge deal. Um, essentially,

672
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:20,080
there we go. Um, so this is,

673
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,200
uh, what Culver crawlers looks like, um,

674
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,080
from the towns side. Um, you know,

675
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,679
Warbury has like hundreds and hundreds

676
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:30,799
of uh and certainly not hundreds and

677
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,480
hundreds of people on the um road to

678
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,960
crew. Um, we have launched this in

679
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,840
Middle Sex um already. So, I'm going to

680
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,039
actually go to

681
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,480
kind of what it looks like there since

682
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,960
folks have been using it. These pins

683
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,440
will show up on the map and these

684
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,960
represent places where folks have taken

685
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:59,269
these surveys and

686
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,080
» they can upload

687
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,840
>> photos of this lovely plug and crushed

688
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,679
and then um

689
00:33:07,679 --> 00:33:08,080
>> yeah,

690
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,880
>> rather than you know hoping that someone

691
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,000
gets around to jumping down in the ditch

692
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,840
and checking on things and all their

693
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,640
spare time with the roads group. Uh

694
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,679
people can do it while they're out

695
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:22,399
walking their dog or we can do organized

696
00:33:22,399 --> 00:33:24,080
um

697
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,399
uh you know sort of targeted efforts if

698
00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:29,039
we know that there are certain um roads

699
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,159
or things that are uh that have been

700
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:36,960
house in the past. So we just did our first training in Waterberry uh last

701
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,000
week. So um not a lot going on yet on

702
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,679
the map, but we'll keep you posted. Um,

703
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:48,960
I can also pull um sort of a an Excel uh

704
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,960
spreadsheet based uh report and I've

705
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,120
been doing that periodically. Um, so

706
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,640
they'll actually get a list of stream

707
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,760
addresses.

708
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,720
>> The training online is the training that

709
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,120
you did. Is that faster?

710
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,519
>> Yeah, it is.

711
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,240
Um, it's a it's a little easier to do in

712
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,800
person. Yeah, we've been working on

713
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,200
trying to figure out a kind of faster

714
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,119
way to get people up to speed on this.

715
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:14,800
Yeah. Um

716
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,320
>> and um

717
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,560
so yeah, we're we're hoping that it gets

718
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,240
to a point. Um this uh this program was

719
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:29,200
developed by uh a team at Dartmouth um

720
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,159
in tandem with some folks in the Black

721
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,480
River uh sort of budlo cabinish area of

722
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,320
the state. Um and uh they got a little

723
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,919
bit of funding to put this together. Um

724
00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:45,839
they have run through that funding. they

725
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:49,119
are aware that there are maybe some

726
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,040
tweaks that could be made to make it a

727
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,919
little more intuitive. Um, and so at

728
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:56,159
this point it's we've kind of we have

729
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,520
what we have. It's functional. Um, we're

730
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,079
hoping to be able to make

731
00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,240
you guys,

732
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,920
but we're excited to continue rolling

733
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,480
this out in our five towns and and

734
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,280
getting feedback from Woody on, you

735
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,160
know, we can say this is very useful and

736
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,480
great, but if there are things that he

737
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,960
wants change about it, we are

738
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,560
so

739
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,920
bigger the visual on that is helpful.

740
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:26,880
Um,

741
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,200
>> all right.

742
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,240
>> We're going to wrap you up.

743
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,119
>> Yeah.

744
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:33,040
>> Thank you for coming in. Do you guys

745
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,640
Anybody have a question? Roger.

746
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,320
>> There's a one. Um, I want to

747
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,599
congratulate Mike for calling uh the

748
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,000
resilience plan that Barry developed to

749
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,960
our attention. Uh, and I was talking

750
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,920
with Dana Allen, the planning commission

751
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,920
today. It was got like to move forward

752
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,880
with developing one for library. I think

753
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,920
we [clears throat] got a lot of the

754
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,280
elements

755
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,480
>> and just wondering if you or a gift or

756
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,520
anyone

757
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,839
>> uh on your team would be interested in

758
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:04,800
participating in that.

759
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,280
>> Yeah, there's there's absolutely strong

760
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,480
interest in being part of that and you

761
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,800
can figure out sort of who uh within

762
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,400
best situated to maybe the point person

763
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800
to town for that. payment. It's

764
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,720
something we would love to see all five

765
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,119
of our towns uh have and it's, you know,

766
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,119
it's a living document. It's something

767
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:32,160
just to refer to. Um but it would be

768
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,720
great to get a follow along.

769
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,400
>> I think, [clears throat] excuse me, I

770
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,280
think, um been focusing quite a bit on

771
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,839
that and and the idea of the three

772
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:44,960
existing plans and those Yeah, there's a

773
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,800
lot of parts and pieces. We've got some

774
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,880
really good um

775
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,920
>> stuff to work from. Um and and Barry did

776
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,599
a tremendous job of putting theirs

777
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,520
together. Yeah. Um

778
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,520
>> there's a lot of very specific stuff in

779
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920
there, but there's a lot that would be

780
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:00,320
>> sure

781
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,440
>> well served for any

782
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,599
>> and I'm going to put my plugin I think

783
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,839
some really low hanging fruit from that

784
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:10,240
plan. Some of you have heard this from

785
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,920
me uh already, but um I would love to

786
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,359
see a standing agenda item this meeting

787
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:20,640
of resiliency updates. I know that they

788
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,240
have been happening under the um sort of

789
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:27,119
under the municipal managers updates.

790
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,480
Um, I know that we are comfortably asked

791
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,119
by folks in town what's going on and

792
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,359
where can I get information and just

793
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:37,839
sort of knowing that that is a standing

794
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:41,520
item on the agenda um go a long way. I

795
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,119
mean you guys meet every two weeks so

796
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,359
it's quite possible that

797
00:37:45,359 --> 00:37:46,880
>> nothing might happen between two weeks

798
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,400
but even just holding the space for that

799
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:49,280
I think is really

800
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,720
>> and I think you know you hit a real

801
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,800
spot I don't want to call it that or

802
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,599
good but you hit a real key item and I

803
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,760
>> you know Grace is tired of hearing me

804
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640
say this is that the the whole all of

805
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,560
these flood there's a there's just so

806
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,440
many little flood pieces resiliency

807
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,800
flooding

808
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,000
>> planning commission that are all they're

809
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,640
just they're all genuine but they're not

810
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,240
cohesive and if it if we have an event

811
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,000
where are we going to turn and and that

812
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,560
she's I mean she's tired of hearing me

813
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,119
talk about it. So, I think working

814
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:29,520
through her and and getting our our

815
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,760
naturalist coordinator and, you know,

816
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,920
there's just pieces that need have, you

817
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,680
know, we've been focusing on getting her

818
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,560
and the town clerk in here and now they

819
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,400
can they're hitting the ground running.

820
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,280
So,

821
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,800
>> we've been lucky so far, but um we got

822
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,520
to get done.

823
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,320
>> Yeah,

824
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,000
>> that's great.

825
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,960
>> All right.

826
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:49,680
>> Um,

827
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,880
>> thank you. And

828
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,599
>> yeah, wait, hold on. Mike, hold on. Mike

829
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,280
Bart's coming up here

830
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,359
>> to have a word.

831
00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,599
>> Mike Bart Waterbury Center. Very quick

832
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:04,240
question. Out of the 69 uh families

833
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,880
assisted, do you have a number for town

834
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:12,320
assistance? What what's that cost per case?

835
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:17,760
>> Uh in the town or even also

836
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,480
>> um so the

837
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,240
>> would like to know town. Yeah, I mean

838
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:25,520
the town would be tricky to calculate.

839
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Um,

840
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,320
you know, the this sort of almost

841
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,720
touches on the the intangibles of

842
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:34,800
people. You know, we don't have like

843
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,160
hundreds of people that work for the

844
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,480
town that like when that happened,

845
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,520
>> people are switching gears,

846
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:45,109
>> guys.

847
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,040
We had someone volunteer, right? you

848
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,640
included.

849
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,160
>> Um and uh so you know from within Peru

850
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,880
we try to keep

851
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,160
as it's tricky when you're taking 10

852
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,960
minutes here half hour there. We try to

853
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,680
keep on on the folks that we work with

854
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,680
for uh you know months and months to

855
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,680
months. We try to keep a rough tally of

856
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,079
how many hours we are spending on an

857
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,760
individual case. It varies, but I mean

858
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560
we have in some instances hundreds of

859
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,200
hours to our most extreme cases to uh

860
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,760
you know with with these with the 69

861
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,280
homes that's folks that we assisted with

862
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,040
in some way. So that might have been

863
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:32,400
just sitting down with an hour and

864
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,000
making sure somebody had their paperwork

865
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,599
straight um up to a full

866
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:40,240
construction plan or mediation

867
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,000
>> because you guys do a great job and I'm

868
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,920
sure the taxpayer especially if it's

869
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,920
costing you show all the volunteer time

870
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,763
and stuff like that good for

871
00:40:47,763 --> 00:40:50,560
[clears throat] them to know what the

872
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,880
cost to to the taxpayer is

873
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:59,990
>> yeah I would say pretty pretty small

874
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:00,560
nothing.

875
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:19,910
>> Yeah.

876
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,880
All right. Thank you. Thank you

877
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,480
both. Thank you, Mike, for taking on

878
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,440
>> what I'm doing.

879
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,119
>> Yeah.

880
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,560
>> All right. We don't have any.

881
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,839
>> Yeah. We don't have any natural disaster

882
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:38,319
people.

883
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:42,640
All right. Um we're going to move on to

884
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,200
the town manager

885
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,680
matters.

886
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,920
All right. Um, as has already kind of

887
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,400
come up, um, we are approaching budget

888
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,920
season and it's my first budget season.

889
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,319
Um, as well as some of the select

890
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:02,960
boards. Um, but we want to make sure

891
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,560
we're well prepared and going through

892
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,440
everything pretty critically. Um, so

893
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,160
with that, um, I have reached out to all

894
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,480
of the different meds to let them know

895
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,839
that I'm going to be setting up meetings

896
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:15,839
with them and looking over their

897
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:18,400
historical budgets, um, what they spent

898
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200
so far this year, and then, um, working

899
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,839
on building out their budgets for next

900
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:27,040
year. to go with that. Um they're each

901
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,960
going to be scheduled to come into the

902
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,280
select board so that select board the

903
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,440
town's people have time to ask questions

904
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,440
ahead of town meeting day and other

905
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,400
events like that. Uh loosely this is

906
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,960
subject to change but uh we're thinking

907
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,359
October 6 will be cemeteries and solid

908
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:45,839
waste. October 20th will be fire

909
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:48,400
department their capital fund and public

910
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,359
safety. Uh November 3rd will be library

911
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:54,319
and planning and zoning. November 17th

912
00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:56,160
will be parks and wreck and their

913
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,800
capital fund. December 1st will be

914
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,200
highway and their capital fund. And then

915
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,280
capping it off with December 15th being

916
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,640
the general funding act and the

917
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,599
municipal holding. So there might be

918
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,680
other categories that come up that need

919
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,560
squeezed in there. Um and I've already

920
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,520
learned a lot from Phil Sheplac and I

921
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,920
continue to seek him out for guidance as

922
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,079
we go through this process. but it's

923
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,079
still coming together and my hope is

924
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,720
that as it all clicks together we'll

925
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,800
have keep you guys in the town really

926
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,960
informed. Um just to that schedule can I

927
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:37,520
ask that uh let's see so if you can be

928
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,000
uh let us know so that we can put it one

929
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,280
on the the one that that's coming and

930
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,359
then the one that's coming the next so

931
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,119
that we could we put at the bottom of

932
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,520
our agenda what's next so that we'll

933
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,160
have like four budgets that we kind of

934
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,720
know are two that we're going to do and

935
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,960
then two in the future. That gives the

936
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,040
community a heads up as well.

937
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,040
Absolutely. Okay, cool. Um, with that,

938
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,040
um,

939
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:10,160
there is the lot money, the taxes, um,

940
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,160
and we've heard that there is desire to

941
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,400
fund more stuff, especially around

942
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,359
downtown, um, as well as other creative

943
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:22,160
and useful things. So in the coming

944
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,000
weeks, we'll actually put together a

945
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,040
process so that if groups have requests

946
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,160
for tax funds, then they there's a

947
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,240
unified process that they can all go

948
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:35,200
through and then be compared by it. So

949
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,760
that's not put together yet. Um but I

950
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,359
will keep you guys informed as it's

951
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:41,119
pulled together.

952
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:44,000
So, this board needs to pro give some

953
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,800
guidance to Gracie as to what kind of a

954
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,720
budget she's targeting and level funded

955
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,880
cost increase

956
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,720
reduced.

957
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:58,720
So, we need to be thinking about uh what

958
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,240
we want her to her goals to be here.

959
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:03,680
I don't know that we need to make a

960
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,680
decision tonight, but I'm just saying

961
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,160
that, you know, the next meeting, you

962
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,400
know, we need to give her some guidance.

963
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,720
>> We've been

964
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,720
sort of bit of background. We've been

965
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,200
trying to keep it level funded uh with

966
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,319
no uh rate increase for a few years

967
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:24,400
because of uh extensive increases on the

968
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,160
education side,

969
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,880
>> fairness to taxpayers. uh but on the

970
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,520
other hand we are facing inflation and

971
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,160
uh that will catch up to us maybe

972
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,640
already has so let's uh

973
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:37,839
>> see what some

974
00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:41,599
>> I think we should plan needs are acting

975
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,480
>> yeah thank you Roger

976
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,400
next item

977
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,960
all right so um our interpre

978
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,880
um entrusted me with his updates and

979
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,920
they are plentiful um so the random

980
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,599
metal project um official subdivision is

981
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,520
still awaiting attorney general and

982
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,760
director of property management from the

983
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,599
state to bless this um and have their

984
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:09,920
legal team review it. It's expected

985
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,040
soon. I don't know what's

986
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,200
uh Tracy, I'm sorry. Can I just add to

987
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,640
that a note that the 180 the statutory

988
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,760
180day uh requirement to to submit the

989
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,880
final flat for that subdivision um

990
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,119
passed on September 5th. So they are

991
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,520
beyond that 180day requirement at this

992
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,000
time.

993
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,599
>> Good to know.

994
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,560
>> Um along with that the corn is due to be

995
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,359
chopped the first week of October. Uh

996
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:41,760
VHB contract has been written and

997
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,280
signed.

998
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,440
question mark.

999
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,200
I don't know why he put that on. I can

1000
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,000
answer one of that, but uh VHB has been

1001
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,800
on site delineated wetlands before the

1002
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,560
time runs out. So,

1003
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,319
>> the ones doing the environmental review.

1004
00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:58,720
>> Yeah.

1005
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,640
>> Um

1006
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,680
then as far as Woody AB goes, uh we

1007
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,200
started doing weekly meetings that are

1008
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,920
taking place. Um and public outreach is

1009
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,560
planned. Um we don't have set dates on

1010
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,200
that. the wetlands delineation has taken

1011
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,440
place. They're looking into a market

1012
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,319
study data in the area to see if it is

1013
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:21,680
pertinent uh to the Woody Avenue site

1014
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,440
and public stakeholders have been

1015
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,599
identified. So, as far as who we're

1016
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,680
going to be reaching out to and talking

1017
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,800
with, we're a priority list, but again,

1018
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,359
dates are not set and more details to

1019
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:37,200
come. Uh Stanley Wson, uh the market

1020
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,359
study is coming to an end. Um so we

1021
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:45,119
should have that um to share out soon.

1022
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,680
FEMA buyout

1023
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,880
uh 38 Union 42 union and 1634 US route 2

1024
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,520
are progressing. Appraisal data and

1025
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,319
duplicate duplication [clears throat]

1026
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:01,440
of benefits paperwork is in progress.

1027
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,599
The appraiser does multiple properties

1028
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,560
in the state. So this sometimes takes a

1029
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,040
while.

1030
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,760
>> Yeah. uh pre flood value is what is

1031
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,280
considered.

1032
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,079
33 and 34th North Main are slightly

1033
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,240
ahead of the others in the process and

1034
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,079
are awaiting environmental work this

1035
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,079
fall with quotes that they can be

1036
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:23,119
demolished in the spring.

1037
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:25,200
And then just general public works

1038
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,760
updates. Uh there's going to be sidewalk

1039
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,880
work on Elm that has begun. Uh Twin

1040
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,680
Peaks gravel resurfacing to begin in the

1041
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,440
coming weeks. Uh downtown grant still re

1042
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,680
are still searching for a contractor to

1043
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,720
complete boundary sidewalk and parking.

1044
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,640
Remaining historical light fixture is

1045
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
part of the project and some way finding

1046
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,319
signs to be installed next week. Uh

1047
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:52,800
class 4 work on Woodward Hill commencing

1048
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,319
nicely. Uh paving on Lonesome Trail is

1049
00:48:56,319 --> 00:49:01,920
completed. close out complete of ARPA

1050
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,720
>> uh from 2024 and FEMA PCCR for soccer

1051
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,280
bill in progress.

1052
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,000
So those are his updates your questions

1053
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,640
for him. I can switch back. Uh I

1054
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,400
understood

1055
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,839
we're gonna go 70% of that

1056
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:22,160
but I'm happy to hunt down any answers

1057
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,359
that if anyone does have questions

1058
00:49:25,359 --> 00:49:28,319
>> questions. Um, one thing, one of the

1059
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:31,119
things that we voted on for the triangle

1060
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,200
for better connections was coming the

1061
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,960
trees and I don't it doesn't I drive by

1062
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,559
it every day and I don't see where it's

1063
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,800
been done and I wondered when that was

1064
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,520
you can expect that to follow up.

1065
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:43,839
>> Okay.

1066
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:44,559
>> Yeah.

1067
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:51,430
>> Tree removal. We only voted to remove

1068
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,160
» part of that.

1069
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,160
>> Yeah.

1070
00:49:54,160 --> 00:50:04,230
Uh Mike, come on up.

1071
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,400
» Uh

1072
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:12,319
couple questions on the buyouts. Um

1073
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:14,319
specifically,

1074
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:18,480
do patient benefit forms, uh

1075
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,440
and I guess any other paperwork.

1076
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:22,880
So, [clears throat]

1077
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,079
are there deadlines associated with the

1078
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:29,359
parks? Have the residents been notified

1079
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:31,440
of said?

1080
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,440
Um, kind of a leading question. Uh we

1081
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,440
are aware of um

1082
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,040
some folks in other communities who um I

1083
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,640
think were also part of uh so for those

1084
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,800
that are not aware yesterday there was

1085
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,520
announcement that 90 homes in Newmont

1086
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,079
had kind of finally cleared the log jam

1087
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:59,440
by so there's a lot of people that have

1088
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,760
been waiting a very long time and are

1089
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:07,280
now finally at uh next step

1090
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:13,520
still process. Um but uh

1091
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,040
we got word from folks that they need to

1092
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,839
have their um do forms in within two

1093
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:20,800
weeks.

1094
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,200
>> Uh which uh for somebody who's been

1095
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,079
waiting for two years and now we have to

1096
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:28,640
fill some stuff out uh within two weeks

1097
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,440
uh

1098
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,440
>> you know can can shake things up. And so

1099
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,280
we just want to make sure that um folks

1100
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,119
are being made well aware. Um also those

1101
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:44,000
forms in particular uh on the state um

1102
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:50,400
whichever uh on the VDM website they are

1103
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,680
listed under a category of forms joint

1104
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,920
property owner and municipality

1105
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,839
responsibility to complete. So um

1106
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:03,119
just want to make sure that uh

1107
00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:04,960
municipality

1108
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,480
uh there's some responsibility there

1109
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,720
that folks are talking to each other and

1110
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:13,599
that residents can come to uh town if

1111
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,000
they need assistance and if they do

1112
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,359
would it be the town manager would it be

1113
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:21,040
who would

1114
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,559
be

1115
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:26,870
they can definitely start

1116
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,800
Uh I think that is it for

1117
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,319
um

1118
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:35,839
blood related stuff. Um

1119
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:37,839
clocking out of proof. Did you say that

1120
00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:40,160
the market study for Stanley Wson is

1121
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,870
going to be shared?

1122
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,960
» Um I believe it's supposed to be.

1123
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,559
>> Yeah.

1124
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,359
>> Well, that makes that's going to inform

1125
00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:52,640
the next

1126
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:53,760
>> right. So

1127
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,880
>> there was a lot of nonpublic information

1128
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:02,640
in the sole uh response that didn't

1129
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,319
>> there seem to be a lot of secrecy for

1130
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:05,920
somebody that something that had zero

1131
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,440
competition

1132
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,319
>> uh in in a lot of that initial stuff and

1133
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:11,280
um

1134
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,480
>> so

1135
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,200
>> I don't

1136
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,720
>> that's great if that's what we're

1137
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,920
getting in in return for kind of having

1138
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,319
a non beat for a year and a half then

1139
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:24,309
I'm all for it.

1140
00:53:24,319 --> 00:53:30,790
Thank you.

1141
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:44,069
» All right.

1142
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:47,680
Uh, select board. We're a

1143
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,520
little bit off. Oh, no. We're good.

1144
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,240
We're We're doing good. All right. Um,

1145
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:54,160
first item on the select board matters

1146
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,559
is the adoption of the resolution of the

1147
00:53:56,559 --> 00:54:00,559
learn tier 1B designation. Is Neil

1148
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:02,880
online?

1149
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,440
>> Neil, I'm gonna ask you to speak to this

1150
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,309
for me, please.

1151
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:12,400
» Sure, I can do it.

1152
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,240
>> Can you hear me?

1153
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:15,200
>> Yes.

1154
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,240
>> All right.

1155
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:20,069
>> Yeah.

1156
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:21,920
So,

1157
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,680
we can barely hear you. I'll introduce

1158
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,160
it, but I need you to identify the

1159
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,000
change. Okay. So there was the tier 1B

1160
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,160
municipal resolution which needs to be

1161
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,920
filed with the regional planning

1162
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,000
commission in order to qualify for tier

1163
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,160
1B status which is a uh expedited if you

1164
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,839
will that's my word uh permitting review

1165
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:48,800
under uh act 250. We wouldn't have to be

1166
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,680
doing act 250 and you designate those

1167
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,119
areas. Um the planning commission met

1168
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,200
last night. The the uh tier 1B municipal

1169
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,720
resolution that was posted with the

1170
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:07,119
select board agenda was uh reviewed last

1171
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:08,880
night at the planning commission and

1172
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,480
modified.

1173
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,160
And

1174
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,720
Neil, that's what I'm hoping you can

1175
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:16,319
address.

1176
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:19,599
>> Sure, I can do that. Uh so we uh

1177
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,359
basically sused it out last night at the

1178
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:22,720
planning commission. Thanks for

1179
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,440
everybody who joined um to contribute

1180
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,119
and uh the uh resolution was modified.

1181
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,359
One thing was uh the main thing that was

1182
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:34,960
struck was um the res the part of the

1183
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,880
resolution that says whereas we have a

1184
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,160
flood hazard and river corridor

1185
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,280
bylaw. Uh we do not have that. That is a

1186
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,079
specific bylaw that uh we would have to

1187
00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:51,839
adopt. Um, so we struck that since we do

1188
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:53,599
not have that. What we do have is a

1189
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:57,200
flood hazard overlay zone which does a

1190
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,200
lot for resilience and protection, but

1191
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,119
it doesn't meet the requirements in the

1192
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,720
state statute of the flood hazard bylaw.

1193
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:09,040
Um, so we struck that. Um and then when

1194
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,200
we struck that, we also had to strike

1195
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:15,280
the last part of the preceding sentence

1196
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,160
um that said uh you would be allowed to

1197
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,000
include already developed areas that are

1198
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,319
in the flood zone. So that has been

1199
00:56:24,319 --> 00:56:26,400
removed.

1200
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,880
>> All right. So you're really really super

1201
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,160
hard to hear, but I think what you said

1202
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,040
was one, two, three, four. The fifth

1203
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,200
whereas was it needs to be removed.

1204
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:39,680
>> Correct.

1205
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,960
>> And you you've deleted that. And then on

1206
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,440
the fourth one you had it. It now reads

1207
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,839
the area excludes identified flood

1208
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:53,839
hazard and fluial erosion areas period

1209
00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:55,839
because of the fact that we don't have

1210
00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:00,160
the u river corridor bylaws. Correct.

1211
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,000
>> That's right.

1212
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,760
>> Okay. So there I thought there was a

1213
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,240
final one of these around it. The um if

1214
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,680
you gave it to me, that's a mistake.

1215
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,160
Um so the request is this has to be

1216
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,480
submitted to the Central Vermont

1217
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,760
Regional Planning Commission by the 17th

1218
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,440
if the town would like to have uh

1219
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,400
participate as a tier 1B

1220
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,359
community.

1221
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:35,440
Um,

1222
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,119
>> can I ask something? Can

1223
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,760
>> somebody explain in layman's terms what

1224
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160
exactly that would mean?

1225
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,720
>> It it uh Well, I'm going to let the

1226
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,359
planning director do it.

1227
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:49,119
>> You should speak up.

1228
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,280
>> Yeah, you got to speak really loud. I'm

1229
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,079
not sure if it's the audio here or on

1230
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,319
your end, Neil.

1231
00:57:56,319 --> 00:58:01,359
>> It's probably my end. Um, so the tier 1B

1232
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:06,240
designation, um, to back up a bit, the

1233
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:13,599
downtown designated area that we have, a downtown designation. Um, that

1234
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:16,000
downtown designation is being phased out

1235
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,839
over the next year through the changes

1236
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,640
in act 250 with the land use review

1237
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,319
board. So they are recclassifying

1238
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:28,480
certain areas into tier one, tier 2, um

1239
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,839
tier three is no longer around, but they

1240
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:35,440
are looking for uh tiers, they're now

1241
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,319
calling them to um allow for residential

1242
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:45,040
growth in particular in our previously

1243
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,440
downtown areas serviced with water and

1244
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,040
sewer. Um, and so that would be for us a

1245
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,720
tier 1B designation, which would allow

1246
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,880
for a certain amount of um, housing

1247
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,040
units to be built in our tier one area,

1248
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,880
which a lot of that is the former

1249
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,599
village and downtown area without not

1250
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,960
including the flood zones. Um, and that

1251
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,480
would allow us to have some oversight

1252
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,000
without everything going to act 250 up

1253
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,230
to a certain threshold.

1254
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,720
» Yeah. At the at the end of this it says

1255
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,319
now therefore it's resolved that the

1256
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:30,079
municipality of Waterberry hereby

1257
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,920
requests to have the town's mapped

1258
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:38,079
future land use downtown center village area and plan growth

1259
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:42,000
areas mapped for act 250 tier 1B area

1260
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,880
status. So it's designating specific

1261
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,910
areas.

1262
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:53,430
» Any questions? Chris, come on up.

1263
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,160
I watched a short clip on a Zoom meeting

1264
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,480
on this particular

1265
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,119
tier one issue.

1266
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:04,240
>> Tier one A or B.

1267
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,280
>> I don't recall exactly what it was,

1268
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,200
>> but it was in Memorial County, Marshall

1269
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:10,400
area. Oh, I like that.

1270
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,880
>> And they were having trouble defining,

1271
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:18,710
you know, what areas because the the uh

1272
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,280
designated area

1273
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,079
was so broad that it covered areas that

1274
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,160
they felt

1275
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,119
were still usable for some form of

1276
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:30,960
development. So I'm just my question is

1277
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,160
it sounds like they may have ironed that

1278
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,000
problem that question out as to in these

1279
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,760
floodprone areas or floodways

1280
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,119
uh that they may have

1281
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:49,440
figured out what how to split that out.

1282
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,799
U

1283
01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:52,160
>> yeah from the

1284
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:53,631
>> stuff that I've been participating

1285
01:00:53,631 --> 01:00:55,920
[clears throat] in um there's sort of

1286
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,079
two different things happening here. the

1287
01:00:58,079 --> 01:00:59,839
town the central Vermont regional

1288
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:02,319
planning commission is required to uh

1289
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:05,680
generate a future land use map and

1290
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,760
they've been looking at parcels they've

1291
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,240
been and then they also look at what the

1292
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,520
town already has designated as the our

1293
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,240
plan growth centers and those that

1294
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,160
criteria but they're also looking at the

1295
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,799
floodprone areas. So they're overlaying

1296
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:24,240
all of this data to identify what can be

1297
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:28,640
in and what can be out. And the primary

1298
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,559
purpose of this, as I understand it, and

1299
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,640
Neil, make sure you correct me if I'm

1300
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,079
not misstating this, but this allows the

1301
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:38,880
town to have more control.

1302
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,079
uh kind of gets act 250 out of the way

1303
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:45,920
for development or for activity within

1304
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,440
the uh downtown center, village center,

1305
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,760
very specific designated areas that I

1306
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,000
read at the bottom. Okay. So, it doesn't

1307
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,319
impact the whole town. It only impacts

1308
01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:00,160
the areas uh that we're looking for

1309
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,520
growth. Right. So, it sounds like

1310
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:02,720
they've come up with some type of

1311
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:06,240
formula to allow towns to kind of say,

1312
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,319
"We know this area is safe."

1313
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:10,480
>> It's a it's a back and forth. So, we

1314
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,640
have the town has gone and the planning

1315
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:14,960
commission has done a lot of leg work

1316
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,559
communicating with the central Vermont

1317
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,319
regional planning commission. Central

1318
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:19,599
Vermont Regional Planning Commission

1319
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,240
makes a proposal to lurk to the land use

1320
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,400
review board. So there's these, you

1321
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,079
know, local, regional, and state levels

1322
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,559
of review that have to determine whether

1323
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:31,680
this all goes through.

1324
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,680
>> So my question, I guess, the bottom line

1325
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,599
question is, it sounds like they have

1326
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:39,680
land in their feet on something that's

1327
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,480
uh they're confident that will work and

1328
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,280
not just throwing something in for now

1329
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,280
and then end up having to be amended or

1330
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,880
changed down the road.

1331
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,640
>> They're starting with these designated

1332
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,119
areas. Let look at it that way. The

1333
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:56,000
safer way is there's if the if there's a

1334
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,760
village center, designated village

1335
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,160
center, village area, plan growth area,

1336
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,319
those are the areas that would be

1337
01:03:02,319 --> 01:03:06,079
allowed to have tier 1B status. Tier one

1338
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:11,109
B stats per

1339
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:14,950
any other questions.

1340
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,200
Um, we will need a motion to uh make

1341
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,510
this municipal resolution.

1342
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,839
» I'll move to adopt the municipal

1343
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,640
resolution to apply for tier 1B status

1344
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,950
for the designated areas.

1345
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,079
» All second.

1346
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:37,520
>> Any further discussion?

1347
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,640
All those in favor say I. I.

1348
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,789
>> All right. All sign.

1349
01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:47,760
Um,

1350
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,400
steel room audio visual systems and I

1351
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,359
guess my agenda.

1352
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:57,760
>> Let's take a look

1353
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,359
>> and added well I added on for it. We

1354
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:05,359
added what are the arrangements?

1355
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:07,839
>> So we had I think I mentioned this last

1356
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:10,000
meeting but we had Peter was his last

1357
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,119
name.

1358
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:12,880
>> He worked with Fuzbuzz. Yeah, from

1359
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,280
BuzzBuzz come and gave uh toured this

1360
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,160
facility and and his company and he put

1361
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,400
all this equipment in when this building

1362
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,039
was first built and opened up.

1363
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,680
>> I don't know if I don't know if K's hand

1364
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,799
was up for the last

1365
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:30,480
I didn't

1366
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,880
>> Carrie

1367
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,640
Krie, do you want to say? Yeah, there

1368
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:39,190
you go.

1369
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:43,039
» Um yeah, sorry. Um, I I just wanted to

1370
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,119
understand like the resolution that was

1371
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:46,880
just passed,

1372
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,559
was that with the amended changes or was

1373
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:53,440
that what was presented to the select

1374
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,599
board

1375
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:57,119
originally?

1376
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,039
>> Was your motion with the amended change?

1377
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,119
>> I meant the amended version, but I

1378
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:05,039
didn't actually say that either.

1379
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:08,480
>> What do you have is the motion, Cheryl?

1380
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,640
uh to adopt a mun resolution to apply

1381
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,960
for tier 1B status the designated areas

1382
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,799
as stated

1383
01:05:16,799 --> 01:05:18,799
that was the motion as stated. Yeah,

1384
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:22,799
Carrie um great catch I think we either

1385
01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:24,400
need to I don't I'm not sure the

1386
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,480
procedure here but we need to correct

1387
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,640
it. Uh we Carrie the the one that was in

1388
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,520
the packet the planning commission

1389
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,000
identified that we we it can't be

1390
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,720
sub it can't be executed as it was

1391
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,359
written because we don't have a river

1392
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:47,920
corridor bylaw. So the fifth whereas was

1393
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,720
not accurate

1394
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:55,280
and so they made a motion last night and

1395
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,760
proposed an edit of removing the fifth

1396
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,640
one and then the fourth whereas ended

1397
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,000
uh afterial

1398
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,839
erosion areas and that's what uh I think

1399
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:13,359
the board intended to approve.

1400
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:16,720
Um maybe we need to do another motion

1401
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,880
just to make it official.

1402
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,640
>> I would like the resolution to be

1403
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,319
amended before anything is approved.

1404
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:28,000
>> So it it falls within the statues

1405
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,359
of the state law and then you'll

1406
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:36,079
actually be able to have the tier one be

1407
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:41,760
>> right. And and that was amended.

1408
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:46,559
Well, I I I don't think it was um

1409
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:50,400
>> it it it was revised last night from the

1410
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:51,760
planning commission. The planning

1411
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,920
commission gave it to the town manager

1412
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,000
today and I have it here in my hand

1413
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,400
>> and that's what I was reading.

1414
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,280
>> Great. I would like that to be published

1415
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,680
um before you

1416
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:09,119
>> before the select board amends before

1417
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:12,000
the select board like accepts that. I

1418
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,200
think the public should see that. Tracy,

1419
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,119
can you email that to me and I should

1420
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:20,319
upload it?

1421
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:23,839
>> I the only change Carrie is that the

1422
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:26,400
where the fifth whereas was deleted and

1423
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,920
the fourth whereas was short. So I'm not

1424
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,520
sure that we need to republish the

1425
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,240
amended document. It will be

1426
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,880
>> it will be yeah it'll be published after

1427
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,640
it's executed

1428
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,880
>> public

1429
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,440
in the meeting packet and the select

1430
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,880
board voted on and approved another

1431
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,960
>> there's a potential open meeting law

1432
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,960
>> potential

1433
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,839
off the top of my head. Yeah, I actually

1434
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:58,559
think I did ask this morning that it be

1435
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:01,119
posted on the packet. If Hold on a

1436
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:03,760
second and Grace is seeing if it got

1437
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,440
done,

1438
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:09,910
it may already be up.

1439
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,559
» The version that's on the website.

1440
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:12,799
>> What?

1441
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:14,480
>> The version on the site right now is not

1442
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,679
a fresh.

1443
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:18,080
>> Okay.

1444
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,199
>> Is there a time frame or it's Thursday?

1445
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:23,279
It's the 17th. It needs to be in by the

1446
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:29,349
17th.

1447
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:31,839
I apologize, but I just want things done

1448
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:37,829
right. That's all.

1449
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:40,480
» Dana, you want to come up?

1450
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,719
>> This is a process issue at this point if

1451
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:43,679
I don't.

1452
01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:46,239
>> Uh, so Dan Allen, I'm commission chair.

1453
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,719
Um,

1454
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:51,440
heard on the concern. If you read the

1455
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:53,759
version as amended currently and vote on

1456
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:55,759
that now, I feel like that's entering

1457
01:08:55,759 --> 01:08:58,080
into public

1458
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:02,000
>> record. So I would suggest potenti and

1459
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:03,839
board does what they please on this one,

1460
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,319
but if you read the version as amended

1461
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,359
and then vote on that, make a motion to

1462
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:12,480
vote on it as amended and as read. I

1463
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:14,080
think that would allay the concern that

1464
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:16,239
we're having here.

1465
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,640
>> Just a suggestion you can choose.

1466
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,359
>> Yeah. Thank you, Dana.

1467
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:23,440
>> And process wise, I do believe voting on

1468
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:25,920
the amendments first before voting to

1469
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:31,669
adopt should be two distinct motions.

1470
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:41,430
» All right.

1471
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:46,799
Um, I'd like to propose that the

1472
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:50,000
document that is posted on the website

1473
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:55,280
is what we were given that um we I would

1474
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,480
accept an a motion to amend this

1475
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:01,840
resolution that's posted on the website

1476
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,760
identified by deleting the fifth Whereas

1477
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,360
and editing the fourth whereas to end

1478
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:17,510
afterial erosion areas

1479
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,640
highlighted areas going away.

1480
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,120
Is that what you're

1481
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:23,840
saying?

1482
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:25,760
>> That's all that goes away. That's all is

1483
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,800
what is to be deleted.

1484
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:34,080
>> Roger. I'll move to amend the uh tier 1B

1485
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,640
municipal resolution

1486
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,040
uh to

1487
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:47,920
remove uh the uh clause except those areas containing

1488
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,159
pre-existing development in areas

1489
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:51,679
suitable

1490
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:54,800
for infill development

1491
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,159
and the following whereas the

1492
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,640
municipality has adopted special flood

1493
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,440
hazard overlay district that it was

1494
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:07,760
consistent with the necessary standards.

1495
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,440
>> Second.

1496
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,600
>> Any further discussion?

1497
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,199
All those in favor say I.

1498
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:14,880
>> I.

1499
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:19,750
>> All right.

1500
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,719
» No. Need a motion to

1501
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:22,880
uh

1502
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,600
>> I will move to approve the resolution as

1503
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,600
amended.

1504
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,320
I'll second that.

1505
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,719
Any further discussion?

1506
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:35,440
All those in favor say I. I.

1507
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,080
>> Thank you. Thank you, Carrie.

1508
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,880
>> You're welcome. Thank you.

1509
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,080
>> All right. Um, National Park Service

1510
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,040
Resilient Pathways and Back to the Steel

1511
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:47,360
Road.

1512
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:48,080
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

1513
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,040
>> That's okay.

1514
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,440
>> I'm getting way late. I'll make this

1515
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:57,120
brief. Um, Peter gave us a a bid or a

1516
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,360
proposal for the vision of changes in

1517
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:02,080
this room to remove a lot of this older

1518
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,520
equipment and also to put a 95 in screen

1519
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,280
on the wall. Um, the bit is pretty high.

1520
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:10,560
I'm going to talk to about it and I'm

1521
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,480
going to do some research about it. Uh,

1522
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,320
see if we can pair it down or wherever

1523
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,880
we're at with it. Um, the audio part of

1524
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,480
it, he says we don't need to buy

1525
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:20,000
anything. We have all the speakers in

1526
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,239
the room. Uh, Marth and I looked at

1527
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:23,920
them. I looked at them further. I got

1528
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,719
West to clean them up, put the batteries

1529
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:29,280
in, and get them all working. So, uh,

1530
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,040
those are ready to be used by the select

1531
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,360
court. My suggestion to the board, and I

1532
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,640
don't know if we have to vote on this or

1533
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,440
not, but let's start using the speakers

1534
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,760
that are handheld. We have a stand for a

1535
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,120
speaker for people to come in who want

1536
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,640
to just make quick comments, not a

1537
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,000
presentation, as [clears throat] they'll

1538
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,000
have a speaker on a table. As I remember

1539
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,239
using this back in 14 through 18, I

1540
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:49,440
think Chris was on the board with the

1541
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:51,440
other. We'd use those speakers. They're

1542
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:52,960
a little difficult because you have to

1543
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,040
have them like right in front of you.

1544
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,199
Um, let's try them for a while with this

1545
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:58,960
board. See how they are. See if they

1546
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,800
work. If not, we can always put a

1547
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,199
different audio system in fairly easily,

1548
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:04,560
but let's not spend the money right

1549
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,640
away. His recommendation is try it and

1550
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,760
see how it works.

1551
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,520
Yes, the board is okay with it. Any

1552
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,600
objections? I'd like to start the

1553
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,080
speakers at the next meeting.

1554
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,320
As far as room arrangements, uh, you

1555
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,000
know, my opinion, it's arrangement. I

1556
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,800
think it's just, you know, a gas to the

1557
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,560
public that we have people presenting to

1558
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,480
the board around public matters with

1559
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:28,320
their back to the public. I think it's

1560
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:30,400
rude. I remember sitting in this room

1561
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,159
listening to trying to hear somebody

1562
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:34,480
speaking this way, but they're back to

1563
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:36,880
the public. I mean, they're the ones who

1564
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,719
own this town and we're all part of it.

1565
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:41,199
I know we're representatives, but still

1566
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:43,760
I would suggest and like to say that we

1567
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,159
make this into a beat pattern. Uh so

1568
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:47,920
that we are all visible to the public

1569
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,320
with speakers on the end, more likely

1570
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,440
this end. And the concern I have is with

1571
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:57,679
Sandy and Evan plugging in equipment and

1572
01:13:57,679 --> 01:13:59,520
you had a concern about having to turn

1573
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,120
your head to look at the screen.

1574
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,320
>> As it is, I'm constantly looking.

1575
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,199
>> What's that?

1576
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:07,120
>> As it is, I'm constantly looking to

1577
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:08,960
>> No, I know. I know. But but

1578
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:11,280
>> but also we would have to turn to look

1579
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,360
at it while things are being presented

1580
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,800
on the screen. So

1581
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,600
>> how that's any different? I mean

1582
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,239
>> if we're if this is turned out like this

1583
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:24,640
>> it's only a V. It's not a straight line.

1584
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,640
And my suggestion is for those who want

1585
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,239
to see easier that you're out here

1586
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:30,159
farther where is this I mean right now

1587
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:31,920
with Beon I it's hard for me to see the

1588
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,400
screen sitting here because he's right.

1589
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:35,920
You know, it it actually is a better

1590
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,199
viewpoint.

1591
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:42,550
>> Shorter people, you need to switch.

1592
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,640
» So, my suggestion is I would like to try

1593
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,120
it and see how these things hook up. I

1594
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,400
know you're to power and I know you're

1595
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,480
hooked up to this machine if it could be

1596
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:53,040
done. So, you're farther out away from

1597
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,800
the screen and give it a try. So, that

1598
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,239
we're facing the public. I mean, I just

1599
01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:58,640
think it's respectful. And I've seen

1600
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,600
different uh Zoom meetings in different

1601
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,360
towns. You know, I was at the Northfield

1602
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,600
one a few months ago. They're that way.

1603
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,520
I mean, they have they're they face the

1604
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,199
public and speakers are on the side. So,

1605
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:12,960
>> ask a question. Is there any reason why

1606
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,440
the select board can't be back there,

1607
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:18,400
the TV be there, and the people be here

1608
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,950
so that we're looking at everybody?

1609
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,719
» Well, the public then would have to

1610
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:26,480
turn, you know, they would have to turn

1611
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:27,040
on the screen.

1612
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,560
>> Oh, the public would have to turn to see

1613
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:29,520
who's on who's

1614
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,199
>> Well, the presentation. Oh,

1615
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:36,870
presentation. Got it.

1616
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:39,760
» Oh, my comment to Don when he sent the

1617
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,880
picture of what this proposal was is

1618
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,000
that people are presenting to the board.

1619
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,520
Not it is a public meeting, but the

1620
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,560
presentation is to the board. So, feel

1621
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,600
like we should be able to see what's

1622
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,360
going on, but also they're speaking to

1623
01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:00,000
us

1624
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,239
and not not that they're not talking to

1625
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:05,120
the public, but the presentation is for

1626
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,440
the board and the public meeting is so

1627
01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:09,679
that others can listen to it, but they

1628
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:12,400
still are presenting or asking questions

1629
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:14,320
of the board, not of the public.

1630
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,040
>> What's the concern with the V? What

1631
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,000
>> is this? For one thing, everything if we

1632
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,560
use the way that he proposed it was it

1633
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,320
goes a

1634
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,760
>> So now you can't see

1635
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,520
>> now you can't see this.

1636
01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:28,800
>> Okay.

1637
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:29,679
>> So

1638
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:33,280
>> could we try it and and see how I mean I

1639
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:34,960
think it sounds like it's the angle of

1640
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,600
the V if it's a it's a cute angle or if

1641
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,360
it's an obuse angle

1642
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,400
>> and and I can can make it you know I

1643
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,719
disagree with Sandy. I mean all we do

1644
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:46,239
here is for the public and the public

1645
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:48,080
has every right. I remember my first

1646
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,280
principal job uh before met in a tiny

1647
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:53,440
room with the message being is we don't

1648
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:54,880
want the public to show up because you

1649
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,679
don't fit and any kind of impediment you

1650
01:16:57,679 --> 01:16:59,679
have that doesn't allow the public to be

1651
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:01,360
involved and listen I think is

1652
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,280
disrespectful to the community. I know

1653
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:04,880
we're representatives that they have

1654
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,960
every right. When I sat in the back room

1655
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,040
last November and back there and people

1656
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,880
were talking I couldn't hear. I didn't

1657
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,719
know what was being said. And if I'm a

1658
01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:16,080
community member um and some people here

1659
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:17,280
I don't there's people I don't know

1660
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:18,400
maybe they're interested being on the

1661
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,320
select board but they come and they're

1662
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,320
not addressed or they can't hear what's

1663
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:24,080
going on then they're going to say well

1664
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,199
I don't I'm not interested.

1665
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:27,760
>> I do agree with the microphone because

1666
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,000
it is hard to hear when you're there but

1667
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:30,960
I

1668
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:32,880
>> still

1669
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,120
>> All right, Evan, what's your opinion?

1670
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,560
Let's get the rest of the opinion.

1671
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,159
>> I don't see any reason not to try it out

1672
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:39,920
for a meeting or two. play.

1673
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:40,320
>> Right.

1674
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,239
>> I thought we were gonna be trying that

1675
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:43,360
tonight actually.

1676
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:44,560
>> Okay, Roger.

1677
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,640
>> Well, Sandy had concerns that I wanted

1678
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,400
to have more of a conversation.

1679
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,640
>> Okay, I want to roll this along. Roger.

1680
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,960
>> Uh, yeah, I want to compliment John for

1681
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,560
doing the research and uh finding a a

1682
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,640
lowcost solution. I don't think it's

1683
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,040
worth a shot.

1684
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,239
>> Mr. Vens,

1685
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,239
>> just my two cents. There's no I don't

1686
01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:08,960
think there's any perfect solution. I

1687
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,360
think trying different options

1688
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,600
>> is certainly the way to go and boil

1689
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,120
down, you know, don't spend forever

1690
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:17,040
doing it.

1691
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,199
>> Three, four different options. Boil down

1692
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:21,840
which one works best and along that.

1693
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,239
>> Thank you. [laughter]

1694
01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:26,239
>> All right. Um, we're not going to take a

1695
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:28,080
motion on this. Let's just try it next

1696
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,560
week or next meeting and if it doesn't,

1697
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,159
you know, we'll we'll get some feedback

1698
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:33,199
from there.

1699
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,520
>> And you're going to continue to work on

1700
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,600
the audio and the visual. Okay, I'll

1701
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,120
have the microphone set up on the table

1702
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,800
>> and Oh, we're going to use the mic.

1703
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:41,280
Okay,

1704
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,880
>> the quick question. You said it was a

1705
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,800
high estimate. Can you give us a

1706
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,400
ballpark of how high?

1707
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,520
>> Um, well, I mean, there was a, you know,

1708
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,679
variety of things in there. What was the

1709
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:53,360
biggest driver was the screen? It was

1710
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,679
very expensive.

1711
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:57,520
>> And I'm going to do some research on the

1712
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:57,760
screen.

1713
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,159
>> So, at least we know where you're

1714
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:00,800
starting.

1715
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,640
>> It's like 17 grand for everybody. The

1716
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,000
screen was about

1717
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,400
>> 78,000 just for the

1718
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,239
>> All right, we're going to move on to the

1719
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:12,000
National Park Service Resilient Pathways

1720
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,280
October 23rd. Chet. Roger.

1721
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,840
>> Yeah. Um, as has been mentioned

1722
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,760
previously, uh, the National Park

1723
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,960
Service has, uh, offered their technical

1724
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,239
assistance to five communities in the

1725
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:28,480
Wooki watershed,

1726
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:31,920
uh, including Waterbury, Morttown,

1727
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,920
uh, Planefield, Mielar, and Barry. Uh

1728
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,960
this was requested by our former uh town

1729
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,360
manager Tom Lights and um so uh he

1730
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,920
invited me to meet with them uh in my uh

1731
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:52,000
capacity at revitalizing Waterberry

1732
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,440
Discover Waterberry. Um and that

1733
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:59,520
coincided with a uh change in our

1734
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,600
strategic plan uh to include uh

1735
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,199
promoting

1736
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:08,800
uh healthier recreational opportunities

1737
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,679
recognizing that Waterbury is known as

1738
01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:14,640
Vermont's recreational crossroads. Uh so

1739
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,480
it was a good uh coincidence for us and

1740
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:21,840
at the same time uh we recognized that

1741
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:27,120
the wreck committee uh was uh doing a uh

1742
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,719
some research on improving uh pathway

1743
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:34,960
connectivity uh led by uh Alec Sherman

1744
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,480
of Wada uh and the rest of the

1745
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:42,000
committee. Um and so based on that we

1746
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,719
got together with the committee and uh

1747
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:48,000
the new rec director Erica Linsky uh

1748
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,840
joined and uh we uh hosted a uh summit

1749
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:57,120
on the uh Vermont uh I mean on the

1750
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,159
Waterbury Trails Summit on the 30th of

1751
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:04,080
uh April. And since then, uh, we formed

1752
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,640
a, uh,

1753
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,080
a steering committee to try to take what

1754
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,800
we heard and try to develop some plans

1755
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,960
around that. And this was based on

1756
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,600
experience that Vitalizing Waterbury had

1757
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,080
with Jack's Alley. There were a number

1758
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,920
of com uh organizations including uh

1759
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,239
Waterberry Arts and Rotary and

1760
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:28,960
Makersphere and Revitalizing Waterberry

1761
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,960
that all wanted to try to move that

1762
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,120
together, but we

1763
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,440
concluded that we needed to have a

1764
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:37,760
steering committee to make decisions and

1765
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,840
actually uh develop and implement a

1766
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,640
plan. So, uh we've got two members of

1767
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:44,080
that committee that I'd asked to come

1768
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:48,080
forward. uh Jake Ferrer who's on the uh

1769
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:53,040
um the rec committee and uh Eric Linski

1770
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:57,120
who's our rec director. Um because I

1771
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,880
have this conflict of interest of

1772
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,560
serving both on the um select board and

1773
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:03,920
the steering committee. I'm going to

1774
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,440
recuse myself from any further

1775
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:07,360
deliberation, but I wanted to ask them

1776
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:09,920
to come forward and present what has

1777
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,159
happened and why we're moving this

1778
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:14,000
forward.

1779
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,800
Thanks, Roger. Um, hi everybody. My name

1780
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,520
is Jake Ferrer. I'm a landscape

1781
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,400
architect and recreation planner and I

1782
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:25,360
sit on the waterway recreation committee

1783
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,280
and I serve with Erica. She's the

1784
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,120
recreation director. Um, as Roger said,

1785
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:32,800
the recreation committee have been

1786
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,800
leaning into looking at kind of timing

1787
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:37,679
and pathways and waterberry and in April

1788
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:41,280
had a trail summit with about 50 people

1789
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,120
in attendance and about 16 organizations

1790
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:50,560
represented there and there was a very interested contingency within

1791
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,440
Waterberry um to look at improving

1792
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:56,480
connectivity um and trails within our

1793
01:22:56,480 --> 01:23:00,320
municipality. And so out of that um

1794
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,920
effort, we've been working with Discover

1795
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,880
Waterberry to just try to find a pathway

1796
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,159
forward. And I think we've, as Roger

1797
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:12,880
stated, felt that having a steering

1798
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,920
committee that can really focus on this

1799
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,320
effort is the best way forward that

1800
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,960
works in tandem with the town uh

1801
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,400
planning commission, recreation

1802
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,000
commission, the department of public

1803
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,719
works, conservation commission um that

1804
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:30,880
can really focus on trails and the

1805
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,560
implementation

1806
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,080
of the recommendations that are going to

1807
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,880
come out of the town plan

1808
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,600
And I think the reason we another reason

1809
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:42,480
we feel a task force or steering

1810
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:46,400
committee is necessary and why not just

1811
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:49,360
part this on the recreation committee is

1812
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:50,880
that the recreation committee is an

1813
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:54,320
advisory committee and Erica is

1814
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,239
ultimately the decision maker there and

1815
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,320
I also have a lot of responsibilities on

1816
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,800
plate already and so we certainly want

1817
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,320
her input and being part of our steering

1818
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:06,480
committee to feel that having

1819
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:09,120
dedicated team be working on this topic

1820
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,760
is really important. And looking out of

1821
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,920
the survey information for the town plan

1822
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,600
this year is that trails and

1823
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,440
connectivity and recreation were the

1824
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:23,590
highest priority of um the town.

1825
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,719
» A lot will be redundant to speak up.

1826
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:29,199
>> Oh, a lot of what I would say will be

1827
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:32,080
redundant. So I won't say much but I

1828
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,199
second Roger and Jake are saying also

1829
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:37,199
from a rec department standpoint

1830
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:39,600
obviously we would like to focus on what

1831
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,320
our town's people feel is important. We

1832
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,000
know that trails and pathways are

1833
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,520
important. Beyond that we know that

1834
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,280
pedestrian access and connecting

1835
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:50,880
uh again from a rec department

1836
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,360
standpoint parks and facilities would be

1837
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,679
really great. We all know that the rec

1838
01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:58,080
department of two people cannot focus on

1839
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,679
this year round. We spend about

1840
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:01,520
twothirds of the year working on our

1841
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,080
seasonal programming. Um, which leaves

1842
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,400
us about a third of the year. September

1843
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,000
being one of the times where we can

1844
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,239
focus on some of our trails and

1845
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:11,840
pathways. So, to really keep things

1846
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:14,719
moving forward and not just standing

1847
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:17,920
still each September to September, this

1848
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,840
committee is really important and very

1849
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,239
helpful. Not only that, I think it can

1850
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:24,080
help us with some other things that I'm

1851
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:25,760
hearing are important to our towns

1852
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,639
people and uh tourists and to welcome

1853
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:32,719
visitors such as improve signage

1854
01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:36,239
um what else for pedestrian access again

1855
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:38,719
biking people that kind of thing. So

1856
01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:40,560
it's a it's a win-win for town people

1857
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,199
and also visit.

1858
01:25:43,199 --> 01:25:47,520
>> Great. Just the last piece I add um is

1859
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,920
that we also have been acting as liaison

1860
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,480
with the National Park Service in their

1861
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:54,719
project in Waterberry and that's done

1862
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:56,719
with the municipal task force but we are

1863
01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:59,040
working with them directly on the random

1864
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,520
meadow design shred that's coming up in

1865
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,239
October and then hopefully that whenever

1866
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:06,000
they come out with their recommendations

1867
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,840
that this group could also be part of

1868
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,840
the team that um carries those

1869
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:14,229
recommendations for the implementation.

1870
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:15,440
I have some questions.

1871
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:16,159
>> Yes.

1872
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,400
>> Um

1873
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,280
I don't I was struck by the membership.

1874
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,960
Um I really feel personally that there

1875
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,159
should be more and you even just said

1876
01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:30,560
coordinate with the planning department.

1877
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,199
Someone like our planning director or a

1878
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:34,800
member of the planning commission. I

1879
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,199
think a planning director with more

1880
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:40,159
staff. So it would be uh more staff. I

1881
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:43,280
I'm a little confused by

1882
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,390
um

1883
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,400
the heavy representation of just the

1884
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,400
recreation arm of our community and so

1885
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,480
and and discover waterberry. So you've

1886
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:56,239
got two members from the discover

1887
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:58,719
waterberry

1888
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:01,679
Erica two members from the rec committee

1889
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:04,239
and someone from water but there's no

1890
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:07,120
planner that looks at what we're the

1891
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:10,080
town plan has just been created and

1892
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,400
implemented and where you're going and

1893
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:13,920
where you're not going and who's

1894
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,520
involved with

1895
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,080
>> random metals for example and how much

1896
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,199
is there so I think the balance of the

1897
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:23,360
membership from my perspective is a

1898
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,080
little that is not as balanced or as

1899
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,400
spread as it could be. Is there a

1900
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,800
community member that's just a regular

1901
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,560
community member that at large might be

1902
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,159
um part of this group that could bring

1903
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:41,360
their interest of walking around? I know

1904
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,600
that this is focused on the downtown.

1905
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,840
It's not focused on going up to the

1906
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,719
village or up to the center. So, I just

1907
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:52,880
kind of it just I'm not quite sure where

1908
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,840
I fall on this personally. Just, you

1909
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,520
know, I wonder if you guys could address

1910
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,440
some of those thoughts.

1911
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:03,280
>> Yeah, absolutely. Um, I think we're very

1912
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,800
much open to additional members. I think

1913
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,239
that list is maybe more of who's

1914
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:10,719
currently serving and acting,

1915
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:12,400
>> but

1916
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,560
I think working with the town planner

1917
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,159
and the planning commission more

1918
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:18,480
closely. you did present to the planning

1919
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:20,639
commission and I think they don't feel

1920
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:22,239
like they have the bandwidth.

1921
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:25,920
>> I that's why I said the director

1922
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,000
>> I'm not sure how much this director has

1923
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,120
time either but

1924
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,280
>> I I certainly welcome them. I think we

1925
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,920
would also welcome um community members

1926
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,320
who are interested as well. I think our

1927
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:37,840
only concern would be just having too

1928
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,600
many people that's ineffective. So I

1929
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,239
think having a select few would be very

1930
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:45,040
welcomed and I would say that we are

1931
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,199
interested in much more than just the

1932
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:49,440
downtown and I think that's one reason

1933
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:52,480
why the recreation committee wants to be

1934
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,320
more involved. You know, I think

1935
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,400
Discover Water is in charge of working

1936
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,600
around the downtown, but the recreation

1937
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:00,960
committee and hopefully planning

1938
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,239
commission and whoever else can join um

1939
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,480
would like to have a vision of the

1940
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:09,360
future and of the larger connections um

1941
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,520
that we clearly hear from our towns

1942
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,760
people that they would like. And so I

1943
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:18,000
think it is ideally operating at a full

1944
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,400
townwide level and into the state parks

1945
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:23,040
and coordinating with um state parks and

1946
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:27,120
the other um privately held publicly

1947
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:31,280
held lands in our town. So I would

1948
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,679
concur what Martha said. I mean if you

1949
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:35,360
add two members whether that's planning

1950
01:29:35,360 --> 01:29:37,360
or two community members at large that's

1951
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:40,480
a team of eight and in my practice here

1952
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:41,840
you know eight people is about all you

1953
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:44,480
want it gets up more than that just get

1954
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,480
you know so right now you're sitting on

1955
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:48,080
six but I think somebody from an outside

1956
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:50,800
perspective and not necessarily a bike

1957
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:53,679
person too because it says multi-use so

1958
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:56,000
you know you got the bike part covered

1959
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,920
kind of at the from the area so maybe

1960
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:02,000
have large people who could get a

1961
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,600
perspective

1962
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:04,880
aren't necessarily listen to the

1963
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:08,400
recreation conversative. That would be

1964
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:12,070
my suggestion.

1965
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:13,840
And if you get anybody that's the other

1966
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,360
part of it, but it would to me it

1967
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:19,600
wouldn't hurt to see the Okay.

1968
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:23,760
>> Is there an action that is required?

1969
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,520
>> Maybe Roger can correct me if I'm wrong,

1970
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,440
but I believe we're asking for

1971
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:30,960
recognition as a formal

1972
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,600
Very

1973
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:34,320
cool.

1974
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,199
>> As a member of the public, not

1975
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:41,360
thank you for identifying yourself.

1976
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:45,199
>> Um Jake, you mentioned in in um groups

1977
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:47,440
that that are potential stakeholders

1978
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:50,080
here, the conservation commission and um

1979
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,239
so I'm just wondering as another town

1980
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:55,120
committee that might be worth um

1981
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:57,440
reaching out to for a voice on the

1982
01:30:57,440 --> 01:30:59,840
steering committee um that might be one

1983
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:03,679
to consider. I know as a a very outdoors

1984
01:31:03,679 --> 01:31:07,280
person that a lot of our recreational

1985
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,120
spaces um are joining or within a flood

1986
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,560
plane or a wetland area. Um and so um so

1987
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,320
they might have some really good insight

1988
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,520
in public on our public lands which they

1989
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,120
are stewards.

1990
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,790
>> Yeah.

1991
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,280
» That would be nine.

1992
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:28,480
>> Yeah. However you want to do it. I'd

1993
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:31,600
still keep it. I think that it sounds

1994
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,639
like we would be

1995
01:31:34,639 --> 01:31:36,880
adopting

1996
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,800
or ex um what's that word I want

1997
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,920
adopting this resolution the founding

1998
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:47,040
resol founding resolution that was

1999
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,280
presented to us and we've made uh we

2000
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,840
would like I think we have a potential

2001
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,480
motion here to amend it. Okay, hold on a

2002
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,400
second. Can I finish talking about Yeah.

2003
01:31:58,400 --> 01:31:59,600
Okay.

2004
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,639
>> Um I think what we're talking about here

2005
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:06,719
is to adopt this res this uh founding

2006
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:09,120
resolution. There's been some discussion

2007
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,560
here that you would entertain adding up

2008
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,560
to three

2009
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:18,159
members conservation if they want to

2010
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:21,840
join conservation planning director and

2011
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,440
a public

2012
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:27,920
>> community member at large. Would that be

2013
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,400
accurate?

2014
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,159
>> Yeah. [laughter]

2015
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:35,440
>> Do we do we have to say who it is or say

2016
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:36,239
I mean like

2017
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:38,000
>> Well, you don't say here other than it

2018
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,679
says a board member from Discovering

2019
01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:41,840
Waterberry or Discover Waterberry. So,

2020
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,360
you don't know who that person is, but

2021
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:46,400
it's a board member, right? And then

2022
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,440
Waterberry recctor, two members of the

2023
01:32:49,440 --> 01:32:51,280
rec committee. You're not saying who

2024
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:52,960
they are. You're just saying who they

2025
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,080
represent.

2026
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:55,679
>> Yes. And so I think [clears throat] what

2027
01:32:55,679 --> 01:32:57,520
we're saying is we'd like to see the

2028
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,679
planning director added. We'd like to

2029
01:32:59,679 --> 01:33:01,920
see a member of the conservation

2030
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,960
commission and a member of the community

2031
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,560
added.

2032
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:11,110
Carrie, you're on.

2033
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:12,560
» You must be on mute.

2034
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,960
>> Yeah. Sorry. Thank you. I just have a

2035
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:19,679
quick question maybe. Um, so

2036
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:24,480
I is this establishing a committee,

2037
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:27,440
a subcommittee of the recreation

2038
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:30,000
committee? Um, I'm I'm getting really

2039
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,760
confused by we have a recreation

2040
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:35,120
department and a recreation director and

2041
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,520
then we have a recreation committee

2042
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:41,840
which is its own entity. And so I've

2043
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:43,760
seen some of the notes and I know that

2044
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:47,199
there's been a subcommittee created. So

2045
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:48,960
I I'm just wondering where this falls

2046
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:50,639
into place.

2047
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:52,560
>> Good question.

2048
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,320
My understanding is

2049
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:55,280
>> you guys speak up.

2050
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:57,040
>> My understanding is this is a new

2051
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,920
committee. It is not a sub.

2052
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:01,600
>> It's not part of protection.

2053
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:02,480
>> Correct.

2054
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:05,280
>> It's not a subcommittee. Am I correct in

2055
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:11,110
that is what we are.

2056
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,840
So if you are a committee then are you

2057
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:18,080
subjected to open meeting laws?

2058
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:20,239
>> Yes.

2059
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:23,040
>> Yeah.

2060
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,679
>> Okay.

2061
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:27,840
>> Thank you.

2062
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,239
>> All right.

2063
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:33,440
Select board questions.

2064
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,040
>> Well, you want me to make a motion and

2065
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:36,000
we could do it this way

2066
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,840
>> if there's if you would like to. What's

2067
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,520
your pleasure?

2068
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,560
Well, I'll make a motion that um the

2069
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:46,239
Waterberry Select Board um recognize the

2070
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:48,400
Waterberry Pathway Steering Committee as

2071
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,880
the as presented

2072
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:52,880
>> without a with

2073
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:57,120
>> with the amendment of three additional

2074
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:58,639
people which could be planning

2075
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:03,040
conservation member could

2076
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:06,719
I think we I thought we were talking

2077
01:35:06,719 --> 01:35:08,960
about the planning director not the

2078
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:09,679
planning commission

2079
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:10,960
>> or planning commission. Yeah, I'm sorry.

2080
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,120
>> Okay. I just want to be careful what the

2081
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:18,239
motion is. It be this adding a member of

2082
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:20,639
the conservation commission,

2083
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:22,960
a member of the community at large and

2084
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:29,910
the planning director.

2085
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:34,000
Roger's going to uh has excused himself,

2086
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:40,320
recused himself. So, it's up to you to second it.

2087
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,440
>> Sure. I'll second.

2088
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:47,600
>> So, could you read that entire?

2089
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:49,440
>> Well, I do have a question about your

2090
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:51,920
wording. Uh, I have a question about

2091
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,320
your wording. Are you saying could

2092
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,120
include not to exclude uh you know

2093
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:59,280
because we may or may not get said

2094
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,679
people. So can we be careful about the

2095
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:04,880
wording please not to you know lock us

2096
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,719
into that and then maybe not have any

2097
01:36:06,719 --> 01:36:09,520
people we need because said people

2098
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:13,600
cannot join but then who then could be

2099
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,400
beneficial to this committee. still.

2100
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,159
>> Okay, I'm just looking at what the

2101
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:20,159
document says and it says membership.

2102
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,320
includes but shall not be

2103
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,560
limited to the executive director of

2104
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:26,639
Discover Waterberry, forward member of

2105
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:28,719
Discover Waterberry, Waterberry

2106
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:31,199
Recreation Director, two members of the

2107
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:33,520
Waterberry Recreation Committee,

2108
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,719
representative of of Waterberry Area

2109
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:39,520
Trail Alliance, and that the membership

2110
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,600
to be reviewed and approved annually by

2111
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:43,600
the select board. And I think that the

2112
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,840
question here is that the select board

2113
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,840
is making a motion to add three more

2114
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:50,320
>> yes

2115
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,840
>> individuals to that list.

2116
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,400
>> Yes. And I believe that this list is

2117
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,679
simply because this is who is currently

2118
01:36:57,679 --> 01:37:00,960
meeting together which was a result of

2119
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,280
the trail summit and people interested

2120
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,520
in moving this forward. So it's not

2121
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,280
necessarily that this group came

2122
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,800
together and said these are the people

2123
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,560
who should be on the committee. this

2124
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,080
list appears to me to be the people who

2125
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,800
volunteered to start a meeting together.

2126
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:19,360
So I we don't hesitate to be so literal.

2127
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:21,760
I think we kind of want to open it up a

2128
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:23,119
little. I think we do want many

2129
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:24,800
viewpoints. I do think we want people

2130
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,400
from all the um areas you've mentioned.

2131
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:30,159
But it's not that we came that these

2132
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:31,520
must be the people on the committee.

2133
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:34,320
It's just the people who currently have

2134
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,520
volunteered to meet as unofficial. So

2135
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:41,920
the conservation they may not want.

2136
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,880
>> So Cheryl, could you read what it said

2137
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,440
about adding the

2138
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:51,440
>> three motion um that the waterway select

2139
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:53,440
board recognize the waterway pathways

2140
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:55,760
steering committee um with an amendment

2141
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,440
to membership to add three members to

2142
01:37:57,440 --> 01:37:59,040
the list. Planning director, member of

2143
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:00,560
the conservation commission, and a

2144
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,040
member of the community at large.

2145
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,960
>> So I'm wondering if we had the word, but

2146
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,360
I could add

2147
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:08,239
Right.

2148
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:12,480
>> Yeah. And also these people these uh

2149
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:15,040
titles mentioned here may or may not

2150
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:16,719
continue to exist on this committee as

2151
01:38:16,719 --> 01:38:17,520
well.

2152
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:19,280
>> Well, it says to be reviewed and

2153
01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:21,199
approved annually by the select board.

2154
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:22,800
So

2155
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:23,199
>> sure,

2156
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:26,159
>> you know, that's why I think adding

2157
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,320
those identifiers, the planning

2158
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,000
director, the conservation commission,

2159
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,239
and the community member at large, they

2160
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:34,080
may or may not be on.

2161
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:34,560
>> Right.

2162
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,960
We're just asking for that

2163
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,520
representation to be considered and open

2164
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,119
to the that opportunity.

2165
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:41,679
>> Sure.

2166
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:43,520
>> So, can I ask a quick question? When I

2167
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,119
was reading through the pathways,

2168
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:50,320
sort of a mapping, it also included the

2169
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,239
Green Mount Rorow,

2170
01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:54,800
>> the Green Mountain Rors, the Snowville,

2171
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,600
because they work as maintenance on some

2172
01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:59,119
of the trails. whether or not they

2173
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:01,119
should be I mean I'm not saying have a

2174
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:03,360
member of there but that they're

2175
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,679
notified of where they're planning to

2176
01:39:05,679 --> 01:39:08,719
move back as far as you know because

2177
01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:10,800
they will be involved if they look on

2178
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,400
the trail. Well, I think as these folks

2179
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,560
have said, anybody can come to your

2180
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,199
meetings, right? I mean, if they want to

2181
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:19,440
participate, but I guess the point that

2182
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:21,199
Don and I were trying to make is we

2183
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:24,719
would like to make it clear, well, I

2184
01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:26,000
personally would like to make it clear

2185
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:27,920
that the planning director be involved

2186
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,400
because they see the bigger picture than

2187
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,199
just the recreation piece and it's

2188
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,920
multimodal. you know, I think he brings

2189
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,520
expertise and is a staff position that

2190
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,600
would be beneficial.

2191
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,320
Uh, conservation commission, Cheryl

2192
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:46,480
points out a good it's on none of these

2193
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:48,400
activities are on public lands which the

2194
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,320
conservation commission is paying

2195
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,639
attention to.

2196
01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:54,480
>> Remember the public is in beholden to

2197
01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:55,679
the bike,

2198
01:39:55,679 --> 01:39:56,159
>> right?

2199
01:39:56,159 --> 01:39:57,840
>> Or to the snowmobile community.

2200
01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:59,600
>> That could be the snowmobile community

2201
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:02,560
that's the member at

2202
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,920
can be reviewed. I would say

2203
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:08,159
it says annually

2204
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:10,400
I think you come back to us and say you

2205
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:11,679
know this is a new committee we heard

2206
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:13,040
what you said here's what we've come up

2207
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:14,560
with you know

2208
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,880
>> yeah I mean honestly you'll get added to

2209
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,560
the [laughter] preoccurring agendas

2210
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:21,920
so as a new committee

2211
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:23,360
>> but just be careful like you say you

2212
01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:26,320
don't want 125 to

2213
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,280
>> yeah I think I back that I understand

2214
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:30,719
you're saying that I think the

2215
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:33,679
membership list of who's on that list

2216
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:35,840
will fluctuate and as we get into

2217
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,204
certain projects I'm sure

2218
01:40:37,204 --> 01:40:37,840
[clears throat]

2219
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,080
bring in new members who are interested

2220
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,800
as well

2221
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,800
>> because you don't have a limited not

2222
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,800
membership will be limited to

2223
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:51,199
>> not be limited it says shall not

2224
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:52,400
>> right

2225
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,400
>> then you get into like questions of

2226
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,040
quorum and who's a voting member and get

2227
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,440
an actual say in this as a 10th

2228
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:00,880
committee

2229
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,199
>> I don't feel like leaving that ended is

2230
01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:05,119
a a good idea.

2231
01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:07,760
>> Since I'm staring at the wording, may I

2232
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,560
make a recommendation for maybe an

2233
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,719
amendment to this based on just what I'm

2234
01:41:12,719 --> 01:41:15,600
hearing? Um motion that the water select

2235
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,320
board recognized Word Bay with an

2236
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,719
amendment to the membership to allow for

2237
01:41:20,719 --> 01:41:22,639
the addition of three stakeholders to

2238
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:24,400
the committee. Planning director, member

2239
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,159
of the conservation commission, and a

2240
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:29,440
member of the community at large.

2241
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,679
to allow for

2242
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:35,350
the addition.

2243
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:35,840
» Okay.

2244
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,639
>> How is that?

2245
01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:39,840
>> Did we Is that

2246
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:41,280
>> Yeah, that's fine. You have to make a

2247
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:42,560
motion to

2248
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:45,325
>> Well, she's she's helping your motion.

2249
01:41:45,325 --> 01:41:46,719
[laughter]

2250
01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:49,199
>> And I don't know if it was seconded, but

2251
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:53,199
it was second in a motion and then the

2252
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:55,600
additional discussion brought this up.

2253
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:56,320
All right.

2254
01:41:56,320 --> 01:42:00,080
>> Do we have any further discussion? Lisa,

2255
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:07,990
>> what? Oh, Lisa, sorry you over there.

2256
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,280
» Thank you.

2257
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,880
>> Hi. Um, Lisa, whatever it um I just want

2258
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,119
to I'm trying to understand how in the

2259
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:16,719
grand scheme of all of the boards and

2260
01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:18,400
commissions like where this is going to

2261
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:19,760
fit in. As you know, we've been talking

2262
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:21,199
recently about like openings on boards

2263
01:42:21,199 --> 01:42:22,960
and commissions. And so, I think about

2264
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:24,719
the stuff in terms of like trying to

2265
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:26,400
explain this to people. So, is this

2266
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,360
going to be a commission, a committee

2267
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,040
just like the other 10 committees that

2268
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:32,560
are on our list of committees? Will the

2269
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,760
select board be making the appointments?

2270
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,760
Will there be terms of a certain So,

2271
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,600
you'll be appointed at a certain time

2272
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,400
and a term to serve certain amount of a

2273
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:44,639
certain amount of time. Somebody, you

2274
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:46,320
know, comes to meetings or they resign

2275
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:49,199
and we're keeping track. Is it going to

2276
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:50,480
be like that like all the other

2277
01:42:50,480 --> 01:42:51,920
committees are? cars are going to be its

2278
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:55,360
own sort of other creature than than

2279
01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:57,040
what the um

2280
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,960
>> the document that's posted that the

2281
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:00,400
bottom it says the steering committee

2282
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:03,199
will adopt bylaws to elect officers

2283
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:05,040
conduct meetings and establish a meeting

2284
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:08,719
and reporting schedule the great

2285
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:12,320
question and um I guess the question is

2286
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:16,719
it would be the same the terms of of um

2287
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:20,639
membership would be broken up into What?

2288
01:43:20,639 --> 01:43:22,639
Three. There's threeear terms that are

2289
01:43:22,639 --> 01:43:25,119
basically uh what the other committees

2290
01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:26,639
except for the conservation committee.

2291
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:29,440
They have four-year terms. Would they be

2292
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:30,880
staggered?

2293
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:33,440
>> Uh I think

2294
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:36,320
we haven't talked about that.

2295
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,520
>> Well, it says will be something now that

2296
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,440
>> you've gotten recognized by the select.

2297
01:43:41,440 --> 01:43:42,719
>> Yes.

2298
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:44,080
>> I don't Yes.

2299
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:46,000
>> I don't think I'm the one that same

2300
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,719
pattern as the other set up.

2301
01:43:48,719 --> 01:43:50,480
>> Yeah. I don't, you know, this is a

2302
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:53,119
pathway steering committee. It It's not

2303
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,040
the rec committee. It's not the planning

2304
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:57,600
commission. It's something between, you

2305
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:58,080
know,

2306
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:02,560
>> right? And so I get it just with you.

2307
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:03,840
>> Just wonder like where does it fit in

2308
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:05,360
and will it follow a similar kind of

2309
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:06,880
pattern that the other ones do in terms

2310
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,320
of how they're numbers are signed and

2311
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,719
how they're managed. And so people will

2312
01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:14,400
know, you know, there's a there's going

2313
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,320
to be an opening. So So term is coming

2314
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:18,560
up. Yeah. And you know, maybe I like to

2315
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:20,800
serve, you know, try.

2316
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,480
>> Well, Jake, how do you see this

2317
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:28,870
different from the rec

2318
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:32,320
uh Yeah. different from what the mission

2319
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,199
of the rec committee already is?

2320
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:37,679
>> I think what it's a great question. I

2321
01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:40,239
think we trying to tackle that and I

2322
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:42,880
think what we come up with and what came

2323
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,040
out of the trail summit was a kind of a

2324
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:48,560
need for a municipal task force not part

2325
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:50,159
all the responsibility of the recreation

2326
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:54,229
committee we're not plann

2327
01:44:54,239 --> 01:44:57,040
don't don't have you know the power I'd

2328
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:00,239
say to make these decisions and I don't

2329
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:01,520
think we want that to be happening

2330
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,000
unilaterally by the rec committee things

2331
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,000
that would affect the department of

2332
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,000
public works planning commission and I

2333
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,320
think it could happen in the planning

2334
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:12,239
commission but I don't think they want

2335
01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:14,639
to take that on. So I think this group

2336
01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:16,880
has kind of formed out of the necessity

2337
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:20,000
and the function of our our different

2338
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:21,760
committees that know when there's no one

2339
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:24,639
that really fits this role and I think

2340
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:26,880
we've seen and heard from our town

2341
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:28,880
people that it's something that people

2342
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:31,840
really want and I think it can't be

2343
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:33,840
something that just is one group taking

2344
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:35,840
out a housekeeping kind of a coalition

2345
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:39,199
of people and so I think we would see

2346
01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:41,280
this functioning as any other company

2347
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,000
similar to conservation committee or the

2348
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,400
correct committee having new members and

2349
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,520
openings and new people

2350
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:52,719
in terms as the other committees do.

2351
01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:54,320
>> I'm not a time check.

2352
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:56,320
>> Yeah, I know. Uh I've been kind of

2353
01:45:56,320 --> 01:46:00,080
watching that too. Um can you guys come

2354
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,880
can you do you have a calendar of time

2355
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:05,840
as to when you'll have bylaws in place

2356
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,239
that you could come back and tell the

2357
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:11,840
select board about? Yes, I think we are

2358
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:14,400
currently focused on town plan review

2359
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:14,960
but

2360
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:15,920
>> okay

2361
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,840
>> we meet currently we meet monthly so

2362
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:21,360
maybe in November potentially depending

2363
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,920
all the holidays times of course

2364
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:25,840
>> let's stay in touch but I think it will

2365
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,360
be helpful to have you come back

2366
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:28,880
question

2367
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,990
>> Carrie

2368
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:33,520
your hand is up

2369
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:36,639
>> yeah sorry thank you um I'll get my

2370
01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:42,159
video on too um I I I'm extraordinarily

2371
01:46:42,159 --> 01:46:43,920
confused.

2372
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:47,280
Um we haven't seen anything from the

2373
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:50,239
recreation committee since April. They

2374
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:54,960
missed the last um planned

2375
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,719
commission meeting where there were

2376
01:46:56,719 --> 01:47:01,119
going to have an update. Um and I I I

2377
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:03,840
I'm just I'm really concerned that this

2378
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:07,040
is taking a whole other direction. Um,

2379
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:09,679
we have two departments again. We have a

2380
01:47:09,679 --> 01:47:13,040
recreation director, right, who reports

2381
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:16,800
to the town manager and that staff and

2382
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:20,000
then we have a recreation committee,

2383
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,320
um, which, you know, we haven't heard

2384
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:27,360
much from. And now we're going to have a

2385
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:29,199
recreation

2386
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:32,239
task force thing. I I guess I'm just

2387
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:37,280
very confused. um it in all of that and

2388
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:41,440
the last thing that I knew was that we

2389
01:47:41,440 --> 01:47:43,520
were

2390
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:45,679
I don't know six figures in the hole

2391
01:47:45,679 --> 01:47:48,239
with the wreck department and everyone

2392
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:53,520
was supposed to be working on that. So I guess I

2393
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:57,109
I'm confused.

2394
01:47:57,119 --> 01:48:00,000
can't respond to the financial

2395
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:02,400
questions, but I think the only

2396
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:03,600
correction I would make in what you're

2397
01:48:03,600 --> 01:48:05,760
saying is that what we're proposing is

2398
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,080
not a recreation focused group. It's a

2399
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,880
connectivity, pedestrian,

2400
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,920
connectivity, and pathways group that

2401
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,239
can respond to what we've heard from our

2402
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:19,119
town and our surveys looking for someone

2403
01:48:19,119 --> 01:48:21,920
to steward pathways and safe connections

2404
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:24,320
in in Waterberry. I think the recreation

2405
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:25,679
committee is focused on a lot of

2406
01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:28,080
different things and we apologize for

2407
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:29,199
not making it soon.

2408
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:31,760
>> Yeah. An example an example car that is

2409
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:34,239
you know when Steve Lusby was here he

2410
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:36,239
pushed really hard to get connected path

2411
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:38,639
bike path from the race center to the

2412
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:40,800
village which means you go up the golf

2413
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:43,040
course. Now there's a path that's brass

2414
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:44,960
that nobody uses. They go up the road

2415
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:48,560
and you go down this bumpy, you know,

2416
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,199
it's an awful leg from through

2417
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:53,840
somebody's yard down through the linky

2418
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,920
street. I mean, it's just and he pushed

2419
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,159
for that and that's where it remains

2420
01:48:58,159 --> 01:49:00,080
there because there's nobody looking at

2421
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:03,440
that and saying

2422
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:05,280
>> so so that would help with that. You

2423
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:07,119
know, this kind of group would help make

2424
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:09,119
those pathways more accessible for more

2425
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:10,800
people and more useful.

2426
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,639
>> Yeah. Then what what is our wreck

2427
01:49:12,639 --> 01:49:15,600
committee doing then?

2428
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:17,280
>> The rec the rec committee

2429
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:18,400
[clears throat] is currently studying

2430
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,360
the town pool and what to do about that.

2431
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:24,239
>> Potential future recreation facilities,

2432
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:26,719
the management of our recreation fields

2433
01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:29,440
and our parks and implementing the parks

2434
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:31,920
master plans that were previously done a

2435
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:34,400
couple years ago. and the rec committee

2436
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:35,760
wants to be involved with this and

2437
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,320
ensuring there's long-term visioning and

2438
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,960
a connection to the recreational assets

2439
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,440
in the town. I think this group is like

2440
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:45,520
it's almost I'd think about it more as a

2441
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:48,800
transportation group and more of a you

2442
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:53,199
know town facility management team.

2443
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:57,199
Um so operating with some authority

2444
01:49:57,199 --> 01:49:58,639
whereas the recreation committee is

2445
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:01,119
literally just a planning and advisory

2446
01:50:01,119 --> 01:50:04,639
group. All right. All right. We're going

2447
01:50:04,639 --> 01:50:05,679
to move on here.

2448
01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:06,320
>> We have a vote.

2449
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,080
>> We have a motion on the table. We have

2450
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:10,400
it seconded. We've had additional

2451
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:13,280
discussion and I take a vote.

2452
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:14,960
>> But so the motion on the table then

2453
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:16,400
there was discussion of amendments to

2454
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:20,000
that motion and so um I don't there was

2455
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:24,400
not a motion to to amend them. I think

2456
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:25,840
they agreed with your edit.

2457
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:26,320
>> Yeah.

2458
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,199
>> Okay. That was the that was the motion.

2459
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:29,600
>> Okay.

2460
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,920
>> Can I withdraw my second? I think this

2461
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:34,560
needs more thought before we take a vote

2462
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:35,280
on it.

2463
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,159
>> Okay. So, the amended motion, Don, are

2464
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:40,239
you still making

2465
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:42,159
>> I was thinking the same thing. I would

2466
01:50:42,159 --> 01:50:43,840
have more discussion, have this written

2467
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,679
up a little differently. Is that going

2468
01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:47,760
to throw up

2469
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,920
anything

2470
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,040
timeline or any urgency?

2471
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:56,159
>> Um, no. I don't think got a lot of

2472
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:57,520
feedback.

2473
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:59,440
>> Yeah.

2474
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:02,800
I think the only thing is that

2475
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,199
we have we are acting as kind of the

2476
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:06,560
collaborators with the National Park

2477
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,719
Service currently

2478
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:11,679
>> as a director.

2479
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:14,960
>> Uh no it says the pathways steering

2480
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:16,560
committee

2481
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:16,880
>> and

2482
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:20,880
>> which is an unsanctious anti okay

2483
01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:23,360
>> group of people [laughter] who have been

2484
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:25,280
interested because hasn't been other

2485
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:27,199
group of people. So I would recommend

2486
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:29,600
working this document and put you on and

2487
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:31,199
it shouldn't take very long a lot of

2488
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:32,639
discussion. So I think

2489
01:51:32,639 --> 01:51:34,960
>> Sure. I think you know your concern so I

2490
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:36,639
don't think

2491
01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:38,880
>> Yeah. So you're working for suggested

2492
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:40,239
dialogue.

2493
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:42,639
>> No no just clean up the membership and

2494
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:45,679
all that work.

2495
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:46,000
>> Yeah.

2496
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:49,840
>> I think yeah we can talk more.

2497
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,960
>> All right. Um the motion is withdrawn.

2498
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:55,119
We're going to move on to the next

2499
01:51:55,119 --> 01:51:57,520
agenda item and thank you for coming in

2500
01:51:57,520 --> 01:52:00,320
and explaining and let's you know give

2501
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,239
us give us a heads up connect with

2502
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:05,599
Gracie in terms of when you think you

2503
01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:07,280
would come back.

2504
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:08,560
>> Okay. Yes.

2505
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:09,920
>> Thank you.

2506
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:13,440
>> So a point of order chair I'm wondering

2507
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:14,880
if some of the committee members are

2508
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:16,400
here more for the discussion of the

2509
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,480
elected town clerk. Can we move that to

2510
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:20,080
the next item and do the select board

2511
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,880
rules later? flip those two.

2512
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:24,800
>> I don't think it'll take that long.

2513
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,560
>> What's that?

2514
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:27,679
>> That's what I think.

2515
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:28,080
>> Yeah,

2516
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:31,360
>> that's my guess. I don't

2517
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,599
>> um I I don't think it'll take that long.

2518
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:35,199
We I mean I want to get we we're going

2519
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:37,119
to need to keep moving. All right. I

2520
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:40,000
appreciate your uh concern and I do want

2521
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:41,679
to keep the conversation moving.

2522
01:52:41,679 --> 01:52:44,159
>> Is there a second half of that last item

2523
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:48,560
relating to the October 23rd something?

2524
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,719
They were announcing the sheret that's

2525
01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:53,360
scheduled for October 23rd.

2526
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:54,960
>> Is there more information about that

2527
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,280
some?

2528
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:58,880
>> Um, sure.

2529
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:00,000
>> Yes.

2530
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,800
>> All right, we're going to move on. Um,

2531
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:06,000
amended to select amendment to select

2532
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,639
board rules of procedure. This is an

2533
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:11,920
administrative amendment or yeah,

2534
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:17,360
amendment to the rule. Article five um

2535
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:18,880
outlines

2536
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:20,560
um

2537
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:23,520
the setting of the agenda and the mod

2538
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:28,080
modification that is proposed is to um

2539
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:30,159
request that all documentation,

2540
01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:33,280
presentations, etc. materials in support

2541
01:53:33,280 --> 01:53:35,440
of a request

2542
01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:39,360
to be on the agenda be received by

2543
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:42,400
Wednesday the the Wednesday prior to the

2544
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:45,440
meeting. The other modification or

2545
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:48,080
amendment to the uh modification to

2546
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,520
article 5 is that it says the reason for

2547
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:55,040
the addition or deletion should be

2548
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:57,599
reflected in the minutes.

2549
01:53:57,599 --> 01:54:00,960
And then the last line has been added to

2550
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:03,360
say that the town manager, the manager's

2551
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,360
designated staff shall be responsible

2552
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,679
for posting the agenda and all related

2553
01:54:07,679 --> 01:54:10,960
materials and late materials may result

2554
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:13,840
in an agenda item being removed being

2555
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,960
moved to the next regular meeting. The

2556
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:20,080
purpose of this is really uh to be

2557
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:22,880
respectful of the select board's time

2558
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,440
that materials come in on Wednesday

2559
01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:29,119
before in preparation for the agenda

2560
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:31,679
that the select board has time between

2561
01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:34,639
Wednesday and Friday to review them, ask

2562
01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:38,719
questions, um whatever.

2563
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:41,520
And then all materials are posted on

2564
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:44,719
Friday. Um,

2565
01:54:44,719 --> 01:54:47,360
and I hope that it will keep things

2566
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:52,400
moving a little bit uh smoother.

2567
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:55,280
That's the request.

2568
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:58,480
Any discussion?

2569
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:00,800
Can I take a motion?

2570
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,119
>> Yeah. I don't feel like this gives a lot

2571
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:05,920
of time to work on documentation and

2572
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,880
presentations in between meetings. Like

2573
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:10,880
typically there's 14 days between

2574
01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:13,119
meetings and this takes away seven of

2575
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:16,560
them to do work

2576
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:20,560
as we [clears throat] in by Wednesday.

2577
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:24,719
So that cuts our time to prepare that

2578
01:55:24,719 --> 01:55:30,870
stuff basically in half.

2579
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:34,560
It's not it's it's not it's not just for

2580
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,119
select board. It's for So, for example,

2581
01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:40,000
we didn't get the crew material until

2582
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,000
yesterday.

2583
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,560
So, it doesn't get posted to the website

2584
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,280
by Friday. So, the community doesn't get

2585
01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,119
a chance to review it over the weekend.

2586
01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:50,800
I just don't think it's fair that the

2587
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,360
town represent you know the community

2588
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,560
doesn't the staff the select board or

2589
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:59,119
the town community gets to see the

2590
01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:00,639
materials

2591
01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:04,950
with enough time in advance.

2592
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:06,639
Sandy

2593
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:09,440
>> um I just

2594
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:12,960
about that I we

2595
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,119
are not required to give the public

2596
01:56:15,119 --> 01:56:18,639
which is a courtesy. Um, but I feel like

2597
01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:20,239
this, if we're going to do this, it

2598
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:23,360
should only be

2599
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:25,440
I'll get a little bit more firm on

2600
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:27,440
things that are going to have are going

2601
01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:29,599
to be actionable items, not just

2602
01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:32,080
presentations because I feel like that

2603
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:33,520
if a person's going to do a

2604
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:35,679
presentation, they're presenting it to

2605
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:38,400
us at the time. And if we've got an

2606
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:40,719
actionable item that people actually

2607
01:56:40,719 --> 01:56:43,840
need to really take the time on, that's

2608
01:56:43,840 --> 01:56:46,639
a whole

2609
01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:48,560
feel like

2610
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:52,320
um on nonactionable items like when the

2611
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:55,199
different board committees come and see

2612
01:56:55,199 --> 01:56:58,080
I don't see a problem with

2613
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:00,800
>> the feedback that I'm getting is that

2614
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:02,719
we're posting things on the weekend

2615
01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:05,119
people go the agenda gets posted on

2616
01:57:05,119 --> 01:57:07,440
Friday and then things keep getting

2617
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:09,920
added or deleted or changed and people

2618
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:11,440
don't know that because they've looked

2619
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:13,760
on Friday and they think this is what's

2620
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:15,760
going to be discussed these are the the

2621
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:17,679
packet of information that supports the

2622
01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:20,000
agenda and then it becomes a moving

2623
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:21,840
target because things are added later.

2624
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:24,400
That's what this this is looking to

2625
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,040
address. But we could change it so that

2626
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:30,159
the email that goes out with the agenda

2627
01:57:30,159 --> 01:57:33,360
doesn't go out until Sunday. It'll be on

2628
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:35,520
the website, but the actual email that

2629
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:39,760
goes out saying, you know, with the uh

2630
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,679
with the agenda on it doesn't go out

2631
01:57:41,679 --> 01:57:44,159
until Sunday. doesn't need to go out

2632
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:46,159
before that.

2633
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:49,440
So instead of when they get the email,

2634
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:52,000
it's got a list of everything on it and

2635
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:55,520
the agenda that can be changed to being

2636
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,520
I mean I'm the one that sends it out

2637
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:58,960
right now.

2638
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:01,360
>> So that changes it becomes a staff

2639
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:03,119
position.

2640
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:06,629
>> Well,

2641
01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:08,000
all right.

2642
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:09,679
>> And I I think getting it out Friday,

2643
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:11,119
people at the weekend look at it. I mean

2644
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:13,280
getting it out Sunday is Monday and then

2645
01:58:13,280 --> 01:58:14,639
you know you're working full-time you

2646
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:16,320
know it's like gives you like one night

2647
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:19,599
maybe or and as far as what you said

2648
01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:22,320
about the seven days or gives you this

2649
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:25,360
time if you present something tonight

2650
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:26,880
again if you have to make that much

2651
01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:29,119
changes I think that's you know I get

2652
01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:31,760
your point about there's enough time but

2653
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:33,520
I can't imagine you'd have to overhaul

2654
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:35,119
something we said please have it by the

2655
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:36,880
next meeting there's a deadline if

2656
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:38,880
you're that close to a deadline if that

2657
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,119
much changes and something isn't Do you

2658
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:44,000
know what I mean? I don't think that's

2659
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,599
it's a concern.

2660
01:58:45,599 --> 01:58:46,800
>> Roger.

2661
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:50,960
>> Um, I recognize that we're all trying to

2662
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,440
do what we can to comply with opening

2663
01:58:53,440 --> 01:58:55,520
law and share as much information as we

2664
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,400
can. I think we've done a great job of

2665
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:01,119
trying to get the information out. And I

2666
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:04,080
will move to adopt the resolution as

2667
01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:07,350
amended.

2668
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:10,000
» I'll second.

2669
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:13,119
Any further discussion?

2670
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:14,560
All those in favor say I.

2671
01:59:14,560 --> 01:59:16,159
>> I. I.

2672
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:17,360
>> All those opposed.

2673
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:18,800
>> No.

2674
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:20,400
>> Motion passes.

2675
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:23,040
>> Can I just understand sort out the how

2676
01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:26,880
many of which is it? Okay.

2677
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:30,639
>> So, three to two. Thank you.

2678
01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:33,520
>> All right. Um,

2679
01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:36,560
discussion of appointed versus elected

2680
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:39,920
town clerk treasurer positions. Evan,

2681
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,400
this is your

2682
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:44,880
presentation.

2683
01:59:44,880 --> 02:00:13,350
>> Share my screen.

2684
02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:24,229
You serve me

2685
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:33,990
now.

2686
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:36,239
Thank you.

2687
02:00:36,239 --> 02:01:11,830
Yeah.

2688
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:14,480
It's like

2689
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:18,390
you just need to

2690
02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:24,470
pray. Oh yeah, you are.

2691
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,400
Oh, there it is.

2692
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:28,639
All right,

2693
02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:52,229
guys.

2694
02:01:52,239 --> 02:01:55,040
I got to get rid of

2695
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:56,880
anybody.

2696
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:00,320
So, this is a a discussion we've sort of

2697
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:04,550
been

2698
02:02:04,560 --> 02:02:07,679
» various points in the past couple of

2699
02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:10,000
months

2700
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:12,239
uh about moving the town clerk and

2701
02:02:12,239 --> 02:02:14,159
treasury to an appointed rather than

2702
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:16,560
elected position. And I put this

2703
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:20,159
together as a a summary of everything

2704
02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:22,560
we've discussed so far and the next

2705
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:24,239
steps.

2706
02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:27,040
Uh I wanted to first explain how we got

2707
02:02:27,040 --> 02:02:28,960
to this point and why we're even having

2708
02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:32,719
this discussion. So

2709
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:36,239
early this year the incumbent clerk left

2710
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:38,239
amid massive turnover at the town

2711
02:02:38,239 --> 02:02:39,920
office.

2712
02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:42,480
uh exactly the reasons for that I don't

2713
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:45,360
feel are really relevant to this uh

2714
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,239
discussion at this point in case the

2715
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:53,679
board has to deal with the issue as it

2716
02:02:53,679 --> 02:02:56,639
came to us. We can't go back and change

2717
02:02:56,639 --> 02:02:58,480
what may have happened with the previous

2718
02:02:58,480 --> 02:03:01,280
board or staff.

2719
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:02,239
Uh [clears throat]

2720
02:03:02,239 --> 02:03:05,280
the key factor is that it left us with

2721
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:08,239
this very important position to fill.

2722
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:10,800
And between the former clerk and all the

2723
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:12,080
other staff, there was a lot of

2724
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:15,679
institutional knowledge that was lost.

2725
02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:18,239
Uh to fill that vacancy, we made an

2726
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:20,639
interim appointment

2727
02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:23,199
uh at the town elections.

2728
02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:25,119
Uh no candidates filed to be on the

2729
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:29,040
ballot for either clerk or treasurer. Uh

2730
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:32,800
the previous clerk was reelected as a

2731
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,199
right-in candidate but refused to take

2732
02:03:35,199 --> 02:03:37,599
office again for reasons that aren't I

2733
02:03:37,599 --> 02:03:40,880
don't feel relevant anymore. Uh which

2734
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,199
left us to make another interimm

2735
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:45,599
appointment. We opened up applications

2736
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:50,400
and waited and waited and waited. Uh

2737
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:53,679
and it was I forgot to check the exact

2738
02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:55,280
timeline. It was several weeks that this

2739
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:58,880
position was opened and I was pestering

2740
02:03:58,880 --> 02:04:00,960
the interimm clerk about whether there

2741
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:02,800
had been any applications yet and there

2742
02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:04,719
wasn't and there wasn't until very last

2743
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:07,760
day. One person

2744
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:09,840
uh put in an application to be the town

2745
02:04:09,840 --> 02:04:12,080
clerk.

2746
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:16,239
>> Uh I had reached out to people and sure

2747
02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:17,599
the rest of the board did as well. Like

2748
02:04:17,599 --> 02:04:19,199
I reached out to people I know who might

2749
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:21,440
possibly have been interested. No

2750
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:23,920
responses.

2751
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:26,480
uh which is a big problem anywhere any

2752
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:28,480
year but this is an election year and

2753
02:04:28,480 --> 02:04:30,400
the elections process was already

2754
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:32,960
starting to get in motion when this

2755
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:40,480
whole thing was happening. Uh we went through the formalities of

2756
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:42,400
the interview process but we ultimately

2757
02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:44,960
had little choice but to hire the one

2758
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:48,239
person who had applied.

2759
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:51,040
Uh, which tells me that people in this

2760
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:53,119
town are not very interested in being

2761
02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:57,830
the town clerk, which is

2762
02:04:57,840 --> 02:04:59,520
» it's funny, but it's also a problem.

2763
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:01,840
Cool. Okay.

2764
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:05,760
>> Uh, the problems here, the three core

2765
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,080
problems are that there is low public

2766
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:09,679
interest

2767
02:05:09,679 --> 02:05:11,440
uh in either the election or the

2768
02:05:11,440 --> 02:05:13,199
application process and nobody stepped

2769
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:16,159
forward to run.

2770
02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:18,800
Uh two is the institutional knowledge

2771
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:20,480
and experience that we have lost and

2772
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:23,119
need to try to rebuild. And the third is

2773
02:05:23,119 --> 02:05:24,960
that these roles require some

2774
02:05:24,960 --> 02:05:27,119
specialized skill sets with legal

2775
02:05:27,119 --> 02:05:29,599
compliance managing a pretty significant

2776
02:05:29,599 --> 02:05:32,400
budget and they aren't necessarily

2777
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:35,119
suitable to be filled by just anyone

2778
02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:41,040
either through an election or through a hiring from a tiny pool of applicants.

2779
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:42,239
Neither one of those is going to

2780
02:05:42,239 --> 02:05:44,000
guarantee that we get somebody who's

2781
02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:47,119
qualified to do the job well. And the

2782
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:49,920
fact that our current town clerk has

2783
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:53,599
been doing well so far uh to me really

2784
02:05:53,599 --> 02:05:55,040
just highlights that it could have gone

2785
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:58,550
much worse.

2786
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:00,880
So the proposed solution here is that

2787
02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:04,159
the uh town clerk and treasurer can be

2788
02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:06,880
appointed by the select board instead.

2789
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:09,520
This is an option that we have under

2790
02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:12,800
state law. Uh

2791
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:15,280
state law also allows us to elect or

2792
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:17,199
appoint people who are not residents of

2793
02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:24,470
Liber to these positions.

2794
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:26,159
Uh

2795
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:28,800
I see several merits to making this

2796
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:31,040
change. First is that it allows us to

2797
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:34,320
pick from a broader pool of applicants.

2798
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:36,880
uh removing the residency requirement

2799
02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:38,639
enables to open it up to qualify

2800
02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:41,440
candidates anywhere in the state. Uh we

2801
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:43,360
wouldn't be limited by whoever happens

2802
02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:48,079
to express interest in any given year.

2803
02:06:48,079 --> 02:06:51,679
Uh second, elections aren't a good

2804
02:06:51,679 --> 02:06:53,199
process for finding qualified

2805
02:06:53,199 --> 02:06:56,079
candidates. An interview is a much

2806
02:06:56,079 --> 02:06:58,800
better screening process.

2807
02:06:58,800 --> 02:07:01,119
uh

2808
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:04,079
elections can turn into a popularity

2809
02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:06,639
contest. They can be in some way

2810
02:07:06,639 --> 02:07:09,840
representative of the town, but there's

2811
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:11,840
a reason we don't elect judges in this

2812
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:14,560
country. You know, positions that have a

2813
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:17,199
specialized skill set need a better

2814
02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:18,960
process for finding those qualified

2815
02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:21,280
applicants.

2816
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:24,800
Uh third is stability, which is true for

2817
02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:29,679
both the town and the office holders.

2818
02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:32,880
The lack of long-term job security makes

2819
02:07:32,880 --> 02:07:35,199
it un unattractive to potential

2820
02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:37,920
applicants. I know at least one person I

2821
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:41,760
reached out to back in April

2822
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:43,360
said, "Yeah, maybe they would be

2823
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:46,480
interested, but for basically financial

2824
02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:47,920
reasons, they couldn't do it at the

2825
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:50,320
time."

2826
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:51,840
uh

2827
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:54,560
and this greater stability and being

2828
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:56,480
more attractive goes back into the first

2829
02:07:56,480 --> 02:07:58,159
point

2830
02:07:58,159 --> 02:08:00,719
uh would draw more people to this

2831
02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:02,239
position.

2832
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:04,000
Uh

2833
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:06,560
it also benefits the town by keeping

2834
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:09,280
experienced people in the job for longer

2835
02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:11,199
and that institutional knowledge can be

2836
02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:14,000
built up and we can plan for transitions

2837
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,239
without these sudden [clears throat]

2838
02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:20,790
uh interruptions.

2839
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,840
And the last reason is the one why the

2840
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:25,920
legislature made this an option in the

2841
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:27,840
first place. There was an issue in some

2842
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,639
other town where there was uh somebody

2843
02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:32,400
in one of these offices who was

2844
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:36,480
misbehaving in some way. U it is

2845
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:38,719
possible for a clerk or treasurer to

2846
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:42,079
misuse their position. Uh pocketing

2847
02:08:42,079 --> 02:08:44,880
public funds trying to influence the

2848
02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:48,800
outcome of an election. uh or even

2849
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:50,560
without any ill intent, it's possible to

2850
02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:52,480
do the jobs poorly when missing

2851
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,639
deadlines, losing paperwork, stuff like

2852
02:08:54,639 --> 02:08:57,360
that. And currently, there is no way to

2853
02:08:57,360 --> 02:09:00,239
remove a clerk or treasurer once they're

2854
02:09:00,239 --> 02:09:02,400
in office.

2855
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:04,239
Uh if these were moved to appointed

2856
02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:06,880
positions, they could also be removed by

2857
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:08,480
the select board, which provides

2858
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:11,360
oversight and accountability.

2859
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:13,360
Um the town would also have some more

2860
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,679
flexibility in terms of defining job

2861
02:09:15,679 --> 02:09:16,960
descriptions and clarifying

2862
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:19,199
responsibilities or combining it with

2863
02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:20,960
other positions like bookkeeper or

2864
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:22,400
finance director which is something

2865
02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:27,920
they've also floated the idea of

2866
02:09:27,920 --> 02:09:29,920
uh which gives applicants a better idea

2867
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:32,320
of what to expect from the job and gives

2868
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:34,800
us a clearer picture of when those

2869
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:39,119
expectations are being met or not.

2870
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:41,280
Uh there are some potential drawbacks,

2871
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:43,679
some of which we know ourselves and some

2872
02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:45,599
of which have come from the public

2873
02:09:45,599 --> 02:09:48,639
already. Uh first is that it may not

2874
02:09:48,639 --> 02:09:52,000
actually provide the benefits that we're

2875
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:53,920
hoping for. There might still be very

2876
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:56,159
few little from interest from

2877
02:09:56,159 --> 02:09:58,480
applicants. You know, if you live in

2878
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:00,800
Ducksberry or Underh Hill, why would you

2879
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:02,239
care about being the clerk of

2880
02:10:02,239 --> 02:10:05,760
Waterberry? Like uh it's not your town.

2881
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:07,920
It's not your business. So it's very

2882
02:10:07,920 --> 02:10:10,159
possible that this won't actually help

2883
02:10:10,159 --> 02:10:12,159
thing.

2884
02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:14,159
Uh second is that the select board would

2885
02:10:14,159 --> 02:10:16,079
be overseeing a position that oversees

2886
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:18,320
our own election. And some people have

2887
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:21,040
expressed concerns that that might uh be

2888
02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:24,239
a possible avenue for abuse.

2889
02:10:24,239 --> 02:10:27,280
Uh and third it is removing a choice

2890
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:31,040
from voters like this is um a choice

2891
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:32,960
that the voters get to make and we would

2892
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:39,510
be uh taking that away from them.

2893
02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:42,639
uh to address these in order. I think it

2894
02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:45,199
is true that it might not get us any

2895
02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:47,119
more applicants, but it definitely won't

2896
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:49,599
get us any fewer applicants.

2897
02:10:49,599 --> 02:10:54,079
I only really see an upside uh in this.

2898
02:10:54,079 --> 02:10:56,800
It might not be a big upside. It might

2899
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:58,639
be a very big upside, but I it

2900
02:10:58,639 --> 02:11:03,189
definitely won't make things worse.

2901
02:11:03,199 --> 02:11:06,719
Uh second, the town clerk currently

2902
02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:09,040
oversees their own elections. So if we

2903
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:10,960
think this kind of abuse isn't likely,

2904
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:12,719
then we should also be concerned about

2905
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:14,960
it. Right now,

2906
02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:17,119
uh select board members are also members

2907
02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:19,440
of the board of civil authority. And if

2908
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:21,920
people are worried about us influencing

2909
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:23,280
the town clerk, they should also be

2910
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:25,760
worried about us influencing our own

2911
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:27,679
elections through that avenue currently.

2912
02:11:27,679 --> 02:11:30,159
So, I don't see this getting any worse

2913
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:33,840
for potential abuse or accountability.

2914
02:11:33,840 --> 02:11:37,920
Uh, again, only upside, the current

2915
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:40,480
system has no oversight that would let

2916
02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,960
us discover improper behavior or if it

2917
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,199
was found, there would be no opportunity

2918
02:11:45,199 --> 02:11:48,560
to correct it except hypothetically

2919
02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:50,639
impeachment by the legislature. But you

2920
02:11:50,639 --> 02:11:55,280
can probably imagine how likely that is.

2921
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:58,880
Uh, a lot of damage could be done in 3

2922
02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:00,400
years while you're waiting for another

2923
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:02,400
election to happen and the voters get to

2924
02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:04,320
weigh in again.

2925
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:05,920
Uh, I

2926
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:07,679
>> Evan, can I Excuse me. Can I interrupt

2927
02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:09,520
for just a second? So, are you saying

2928
02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:11,040
that

2929
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:14,079
um an elected town clerk or elected

2930
02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:16,400
treasurer?

2931
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:18,800
I thought the legislature could made it

2932
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:20,960
so that they could now be removed

2933
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:22,960
>> if we move to appointments.

2934
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:24,560
>> Oh, only if they're appointed. only if

2935
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:24,960
they're

2936
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:26,000
>> okay. Thank you.

2937
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:26,320
>> Yeah.

2938
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:26,800
>> Okay.

2939
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:28,960
>> Wait a minute. So, if a town clerk is

2940
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:30,719
embezzling

2941
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:32,239
thousands of dollars and they get

2942
02:12:32,239 --> 02:12:35,599
arrested and found out, they remain

2943
02:12:35,599 --> 02:12:37,920
there. No legislative, no oversight by

2944
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:39,040
the state

2945
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:40,639
>> unless they were impeached. As far as I

2946
02:12:40,639 --> 02:12:44,159
know, they're in their impeachment by

2947
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:45,360
the legislature.

2948
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:47,280
>> So, there is a process.

2949
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:47,679
>> Yeah.

2950
02:12:47,679 --> 02:12:49,360
>> The state legislature.

2951
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:52,480
>> Yeah. Right.

2952
02:12:52,480 --> 02:12:54,719
Isn't that Coventry that they couldn't

2953
02:12:54,719 --> 02:12:58,639
get the clerk was in?

2954
02:12:58,639 --> 02:13:00,159
>> It would have to be pretty egregious. I

2955
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:00,560
mean, you know.

2956
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:00,800
>> Yeah.

2957
02:13:00,800 --> 02:13:02,960
>> Well, that's why they put this law in

2958
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:04,560
place.

2959
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:05,679
>> Go ahead, Evan.

2960
02:13:05,679 --> 02:13:08,320
>> Other positions of county sheriffs and

2961
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:09,679
states attorneys that have done some

2962
02:13:09,679 --> 02:13:11,280
pretty serious misbehavior recently and

2963
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:12,880
have not been impeached for it.

2964
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:13,360
>> Right.

2965
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:15,440
>> So, I think the chances that the

2966
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:19,199
legislature would bother with a town is

2967
02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:25,189
pretty unlikely.

2968
02:13:25,199 --> 02:13:27,119
Uh

2969
02:13:27,119 --> 02:13:29,520
and as far as democracy is concerned, I

2970
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:32,000
think it's already undemocratic. Uh

2971
02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:34,239
after this concern was raised by a

2972
02:13:34,239 --> 02:13:36,480
member of the public, I went into the

2973
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:39,280
archives and looked at the history of

2974
02:13:39,280 --> 02:13:42,400
town clerk elections. And since the

2975
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:43,920
since they were moved to Australian

2976
02:13:43,920 --> 02:13:46,400
ballot in 1976, there's only been one

2977
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:48,800
contested election in this town for

2978
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:52,960
clerk. and three for treasurer.

2979
02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:57,199
Uh if people are worried about voters

2980
02:13:57,199 --> 02:13:59,119
being able to make a choice, they

2981
02:13:59,119 --> 02:14:03,830
already don't have that option.

2982
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:06,480
I could tell you the years if anybody

2983
02:14:06,480 --> 02:14:10,400
cared, but it uh

2984
02:14:10,400 --> 02:14:12,639
you know if democracy means people get

2985
02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:15,440
to choose their elected officials, they

2986
02:14:15,440 --> 02:14:17,360
have not been able to do that in this

2987
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:20,239
century. Even when a town clerk has left

2988
02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:22,159
and the position was vacant, there was

2989
02:14:22,159 --> 02:14:25,920
only ever one uh person running to fill

2990
02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:28,800
that vacancy.

2991
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:31,040
And it's also important to note that

2992
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:33,440
moving to an appointed position is not

2993
02:14:33,440 --> 02:14:36,079
something the town can do or the not

2994
02:14:36,079 --> 02:14:37,920
something the select board can do on its

2995
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:41,040
own. It would be a vote of the town to

2996
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:43,679
decide whether this is a thing we're

2997
02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:46,239
doing or not. and the town can decide

2998
02:14:46,239 --> 02:14:49,119
how democratic they want this to be and

2999
02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:55,270
how important that is.

3000
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:58,800
» Uh the town at the annual meeting in

3001
02:14:58,800 --> 02:15:01,679
March would have to decide whether this

3002
02:15:01,679 --> 02:15:03,360
position moves to appointment. It's not

3003
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:04,880
something the select board can do. We

3004
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:07,199
can just decide to ask the voters that

3005
02:15:07,199 --> 02:15:11,270
question.

3006
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:13,920
Uh so that brings us to how I propose to

3007
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:16,719
implement this change. Uh there's a lot

3008
02:15:16,719 --> 02:15:19,760
of moving pieces here and several votes

3009
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,000
that would have to be put to the public.

3010
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,239
I've reviewed the statutes and consulted

3011
02:15:24,239 --> 02:15:26,639
with PLCT and so as Sandy, she's helped

3012
02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:28,960
me on this. Uh I've come up with a

3013
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:31,280
timeline that targets the final decision

3014
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:36,159
to be made at town meeting day 2027.

3015
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:38,800
Uh there are three different votes of

3016
02:15:38,800 --> 02:15:41,280
the town which we'll go through first

3017
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:42,719
and then we'll go through the actions

3018
02:15:42,719 --> 02:15:44,880
the board would need to take and when to

3019
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:48,709
make that happen.

3020
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:52,320
Uh the first public vote is on whether

3021
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:54,159
the final decision should be made by

3022
02:15:54,159 --> 02:15:56,000
Australian ballot or whether it would

3023
02:15:56,000 --> 02:16:00,239
default to a floor vote at town meeting.

3024
02:16:00,239 --> 02:16:02,800
Uh uh this would have to be held at a

3025
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:04,480
special town meeting which I have

3026
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:07,920
targeted for January 11th which roughly

3027
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:09,840
aligns with the petition deadlines for

3028
02:16:09,840 --> 02:16:11,520
candidates and special articles which

3029
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:14,159
are both in the mid to late January.

3030
02:16:14,159 --> 02:16:15,440
That'll give plenty of time for the

3031
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:18,719
ballots to be prepared and printed.

3032
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:22,639
Uh this meeting is held at a floor vote

3033
02:16:22,639 --> 02:16:25,599
with like all town meeting questions

3034
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:27,840
default to and there would be four

3035
02:16:27,840 --> 02:16:31,280
articles which I've written up here of

3036
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:33,359
whether to use Australian ballot to

3037
02:16:33,359 --> 02:16:35,519
answer each of these four questions on

3038
02:16:35,519 --> 02:16:38,880
the residency and appointment for each

3039
02:16:38,880 --> 02:16:43,030
of the two offices.

3040
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:45,519
uh this is not what is going to decide

3041
02:16:45,519 --> 02:16:47,599
the question itself just the method we

3042
02:16:47,599 --> 02:16:51,200
use to decide the question. Uh, I

3043
02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:52,800
include this step because I feel very

3044
02:16:52,800 --> 02:16:54,880
strongly that decisions of of this

3045
02:16:54,880 --> 02:16:56,960
magnitude that affect the sort of

3046
02:16:56,960 --> 02:16:59,120
structure of town government should be

3047
02:16:59,120 --> 02:17:01,840
made by as many people in town as

3048
02:17:01,840 --> 02:17:04,160
possible. And we've seen as a lot of

3049
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,240
data to show that Australian ballot

3050
02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:08,080
consistently gets much much better

3051
02:17:08,080 --> 02:17:13,030
turnout than floor votes at town.

3052
02:17:13,040 --> 02:17:15,920
» However, this would be all decided.

3053
02:17:15,920 --> 02:17:18,399
These questions would yes the decision

3054
02:17:18,399 --> 02:17:20,240
about whether to use the ballot is a

3055
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:20,880
flaw vote

3056
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:25,429
>> right.

3057
02:17:25,439 --> 02:17:29,359
» Uh the second public vote is at the

3058
02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:32,719
annual meeting. Uh depending on the

3059
02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:35,840
results of the special meeting it would

3060
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,399
hopefully be on Austral on on the

3061
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:41,200
ballot. Otherwise it would again default

3062
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:43,519
to a four vote.

3063
02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:44,880
These would all You're saying these

3064
02:17:44,880 --> 02:17:47,920
would all be Australian ballot ballot.

3065
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,880
Australian ballot articles

3066
02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:53,200
>> if if these ones pass.

3067
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:53,599
>> Right.

3068
02:17:53,599 --> 02:17:54,000
>> Yes.

3069
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:56,319
>> Right. Okay.

3070
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:57,519
>> Uh

3071
02:17:57,519 --> 02:17:59,439
>> it would go on there with electing

3072
02:17:59,439 --> 02:18:01,040
select board members, library

3073
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:02,880
commissioners, all the other stuff that

3074
02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:05,280
usually goes on the ballot.

3075
02:18:05,280 --> 02:18:09,359
Uh if the earlier questions fail, we

3076
02:18:09,359 --> 02:18:12,000
could still put these to a floor vote at

3077
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:15,280
town meeting. I just feel it would be

3078
02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:18,240
less representative and less fair.

3079
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:20,080
Uh

3080
02:18:20,080 --> 02:18:21,920
regardless of how it's decided, this is

3081
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:24,240
when the final decision would be made.

3082
02:18:24,240 --> 02:18:27,200
And uh the

3083
02:18:27,200 --> 02:18:30,559
town meeting warning can and I think

3084
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:32,719
should include an article dedicated to

3085
02:18:32,719 --> 02:18:35,679
discussing and debating this question.

3086
02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:37,519
It's just that no action would be taken

3087
02:18:37,519 --> 02:18:41,120
under that article if it's decided by

3088
02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:45,669
instead.

3089
02:18:45,679 --> 02:18:49,920
Uh the third vote that I am proposing

3090
02:18:49,920 --> 02:18:53,120
and I I want to make clear that uh Sandy

3091
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:54,559
does not support this after our

3092
02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:57,760
discussions uh but I feel that it's a

3093
02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:00,240
related and should be asked at the same

3094
02:19:00,240 --> 02:19:03,760
time uh whether to seek a charter change

3095
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:06,880
to enable recall elections for town

3096
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:08,960
officers.

3097
02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:11,280
uh a

3098
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:13,920
this is a accountability measure for

3099
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:15,760
members of the select board to help

3100
02:19:15,760 --> 02:19:17,519
alleviate some of the concerns mentioned

3101
02:19:17,519 --> 02:19:19,679
earlier about democracy and the power

3102
02:19:19,679 --> 02:19:22,559
dynamics and potential for malfeasants.

3103
02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:24,399
Uh

3104
02:19:24,399 --> 02:19:26,160
applying for a charter change comes with

3105
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:29,439
its own separate procedure

3106
02:19:29,439 --> 02:19:31,439
uh and requirements. It's a decision

3107
02:19:31,439 --> 02:19:33,040
that would ultimately be made by the

3108
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:36,160
legislature. Uh but this is the town can

3109
02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:38,719
vote to sort of kick this off and make a

3110
02:19:38,719 --> 02:19:41,760
formal request to them. This is also

3111
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:45,200
targeted for town meeting to maximize

3112
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:47,840
the public turnout and

3113
02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:50,080
uh decide the question will people have

3114
02:19:50,080 --> 02:19:52,240
it in their minds and they're deciding

3115
02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:58,230
the other questions.

3116
02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:01,200
Uh that brings us to the select board

3117
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:03,040
actions that would be needed to

3118
02:20:03,040 --> 02:20:04,720
implement

3119
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:07,439
uh this timeline.

3120
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:10,240
Uh each of these

3121
02:20:10,240 --> 02:20:12,160
special meetings comes with its own

3122
02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:14,160
warning requirements which I didn't

3123
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:16,080
include on this calendar because it's

3124
02:20:16,080 --> 02:20:18,800
already cluttered enough.

3125
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:20,720
But I chose these dates to align with

3126
02:20:20,720 --> 02:20:23,120
our regular meetings

3127
02:20:23,120 --> 02:20:25,600
um throughout December, January, and

3128
02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:27,280
February.

3129
02:20:27,280 --> 02:20:29,680
Um with the exception of the January

3130
02:20:29,680 --> 02:20:32,160
11th special town meeting because that

3131
02:20:32,160 --> 02:20:34,080
is a town meeting, not a select court

3132
02:20:34,080 --> 02:20:36,880
meeting. And the LCT advised it should

3133
02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:39,600
not be combined because it's a different

3134
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:42,960
group of people making that decision.

3135
02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:47,910
Uh

3136
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:51,680
the warnings for the special town

3137
02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:53,760
meeting would be uh finalized on

3138
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:57,120
December 1st. Warnings for the two

3139
02:20:57,120 --> 02:20:59,280
hearings regarding the charter change

3140
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:03,600
would be uh finalized on December 15th.

3141
02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:06,640
Uh January 19th is when we would be

3142
02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:09,600
finalizing the town meeting boarding if

3143
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:11,760
not sooner.

3144
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:14,560
uh would also be holding the first of

3145
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:16,560
the twoformational hearings about the

3146
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:18,720
charter change. And

3147
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:20,880
>> these are public information.

3148
02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:21,359
>> Yes,

3149
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:23,280
>> it just says information, but this is

3150
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:24,240
open to the public.

3151
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,160
>> Yeah, publicformational hearing like we

3152
02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:27,920
had at our our last meeting about

3153
02:21:27,920 --> 02:21:32,150
donations.

3154
02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:34,319
uh February 2nd would have

3155
02:21:34,319 --> 02:21:38,319
theformational hearing about the uh

3156
02:21:38,319 --> 02:21:42,319
final decision and we've

3157
02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:45,520
uh heard from some town clerks in other

3158
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:48,479
towns that have considered this and made

3159
02:21:48,479 --> 02:21:49,920
that decision who would be willing to

3160
02:21:49,920 --> 02:21:52,399
come and speak with us about their uh

3161
02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:54,640
opinions on the matter. And this would

3162
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,760
be when I would target most of our

3163
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:02,080
public outreach forward. If uh if people

3164
02:22:02,080 --> 02:22:03,760
want to come express their opinions

3165
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:05,359
about it, this would be the time to do

3166
02:22:05,359 --> 02:22:07,840
it.

3167
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:09,520
Um

3168
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:10,960
February 16th would be the

3169
02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:12,640
secondformational hearing and then the

3170
02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:14,960
final decision is March 2nd at the

3171
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:18,950
annual meeting.

3172
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:22,560
So the question for the board tonight is

3173
02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:24,080
are the rest of you interested in

3174
02:22:24,080 --> 02:22:30,720
pursuing this and if so on this timeline

3175
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:32,640
go forward with some parts of it not

3176
02:22:32,640 --> 02:22:34,160
others

3177
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:35,280
>> that timeline.

3178
02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:36,720
>> Yeah.

3179
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:37,280
>> Okay. Thank you.

3180
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:39,040
>> And are there any other questions that

3181
02:22:39,040 --> 02:22:41,680
still need to be answered before we make

3182
02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:46,230
uh decision about this?

3183
02:22:46,240 --> 02:22:47,200
I have a question.

3184
02:22:47,200 --> 02:22:48,560
>> Yeah.

3185
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:50,880
>> Um just because my brain works in

3186
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:53,760
buckets. Um

3187
02:22:53,760 --> 02:22:56,479
the

3188
02:22:56,479 --> 02:22:58,319
I'm not I don't I'm not following the

3189
02:22:58,319 --> 02:23:00,960
charter change, but the charter change

3190
02:23:00,960 --> 02:23:03,359
does not relate does the charter change

3191
02:23:03,359 --> 02:23:05,520
relate to

3192
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:09,760
the process of determining appointed

3193
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:13,280
versus elected town clerk and town

3194
02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:15,600
>> procedurally. completely separate.

3195
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:17,680
>> I included it because conceptually I

3196
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:20,960
think of them as related and and being

3197
02:23:20,960 --> 02:23:23,359
tied together, but procedurally two

3198
02:23:23,359 --> 02:23:25,920
separate things.

3199
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:28,000
>> How are they related? I don't understand

3200
02:23:28,000 --> 02:23:28,560
what you

3201
02:23:28,560 --> 02:23:30,880
>> because the reason I propose the charter

3202
02:23:30,880 --> 02:23:33,920
change is to address the concerns about

3203
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:36,399
accountability

3204
02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:39,840
regarding the select board having that

3205
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:43,120
power over the town clerk.

3206
02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:44,800
Um,

3207
02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:48,399
>> so you could remove the select board

3208
02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:49,600
at this point.

3209
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:50,640
>> What did you say?

3210
02:23:50,640 --> 02:23:52,479
>> You could remove the select board if you

3211
02:23:52,479 --> 02:23:55,520
felt they were abusing the town clerk.

3212
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:56,399
>> All right. Thanks.

3213
02:23:56,399 --> 02:23:58,000
>> And I I felt like if we're asking the

3214
02:23:58,000 --> 02:23:59,600
town to give us more authority, we

3215
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:01,200
should offer more accountability as

3216
02:24:01,200 --> 02:24:02,240
well.

3217
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:05,359
if the town if if all of this went

3218
02:24:05,359 --> 02:24:07,200
through

3219
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:10,000
and there was a change to appoint these

3220
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:12,399
positions,

3221
02:24:12,399 --> 02:24:14,720
uh it's called appointed, but it would

3222
02:24:14,720 --> 02:24:16,720
be very I mean I would expect it to be

3223
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:20,399
similar to the way we hire the town

3224
02:24:20,399 --> 02:24:21,520
manager.

3225
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:22,240
>> Yeah.

3226
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:23,680
>> So there's you know like we could do

3227
02:24:23,680 --> 02:24:25,600
even the select board could have three

3228
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:27,600
committee teams and Okay.

3229
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:28,240
>> Yeah.

3230
02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:30,640
>> It's not just the select board.

3231
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:31,600
>> Yeah.

3232
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:35,439
Legally, it's Justice Black, but I think

3233
02:24:35,439 --> 02:24:36,880
they're in charge of the process,

3234
02:24:36,880 --> 02:24:41,429
>> right? Okay. All right.

3235
02:24:41,439 --> 02:24:44,800
» Um, yeah. Uh, first of all, thanks for

3236
02:24:44,800 --> 02:24:45,760
doing all this work.

3237
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:47,520
>> Yeah, a lot of work there.

3238
02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:52,960
>> Um, I are we the first, uh, municipality

3239
02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:56,800
to, uh, be pursuing this appointment

3240
02:24:56,800 --> 02:24:59,120
versus elected?

3241
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:01,760
>> No. Uh I don't know the exact numbers

3242
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:03,920
off hand but it's somewhere in the range

3243
02:25:03,920 --> 02:25:05,439
of

3244
02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:08,560
60ish towns have changed the clerk and

3245
02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:10,160
somewhere around 90 have changed the

3246
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:14,469
treasurer and

3247
02:25:14,479 --> 02:25:16,479
» not a majority of towns by any means but

3248
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:18,720
a pretty fair chunk of them have have

3249
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:20,319
considered this and a lot of them have

3250
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:22,080
made a change

3251
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:26,080
>> and we could pursue this without having

3252
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:29,359
to pursue a charter change if if we were

3253
02:25:29,359 --> 02:25:32,479
If it passed to go to move to

3254
02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:35,520
appointment, then the select board would

3255
02:25:35,520 --> 02:25:38,160
have a procedure to move the town clerk

3256
02:25:38,160 --> 02:25:40,720
if the case of the dozen. Yeah, they're

3257
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:41,760
malfunctions.

3258
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:43,520
>> Correct. These are options that already

3259
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:46,880
exist in state law

3260
02:25:46,880 --> 02:25:48,560
both for the appointments and the

3261
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:51,280
residency. That's not part of the

3262
02:25:51,280 --> 02:25:54,550
chaggeration.

3263
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:57,920
This wouldn't um because it doesn't

3264
02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:02,560
happen until town meeting day.

3265
02:26:02,560 --> 02:26:05,760
We're still going to elect a treasurer

3266
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:08,880
and town clerk at the next town meeting

3267
02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:10,160
day regard.

3268
02:26:10,160 --> 02:26:11,040
>> Yes.

3269
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:16,080
>> And what term are those two positions?

3270
02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:17,520
uh they would be elected for a

3271
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:19,520
three-year term and then if the

3272
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:23,200
appointment vote passes uh it would be

3273
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:26,160
45 days from that point which would be

3274
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:29,120
April 16th is when those terms would end

3275
02:26:29,120 --> 02:26:31,439
or whenever the select court makes its

3276
02:26:31,439 --> 02:26:33,439
appointment whichever comes first.

3277
02:26:33,439 --> 02:26:36,560
>> Wait, so it's three years plus No, it

3278
02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:39,680
replaces it replaces the three. Okay,

3279
02:26:39,680 --> 02:26:42,479
that's what I saw. All right, thank you.

3280
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:45,120
>> All right, hold on a second. I just want

3281
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:46,319
to get the rest of the board here.

3282
02:26:46,319 --> 02:26:48,399
>> Just one question. On March 2nd, it says

3283
02:26:48,399 --> 02:26:50,080
include time for public discussion on

3284
02:26:50,080 --> 02:26:52,399
the floor. Meanwhile, people are voting

3285
02:26:52,399 --> 02:26:53,359
on Australia.

3286
02:26:53,359 --> 02:26:54,319
>> Yes,

3287
02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:56,880
>> it seems a little comfortable. I mean,

3288
02:26:56,880 --> 02:26:58,319
some people are getting information

3289
02:26:58,319 --> 02:27:00,319
questions. I voted early and I get

3290
02:27:00,319 --> 02:27:03,520
there. I wish I would have known.

3291
02:27:03,520 --> 02:27:05,520
>> Yeah, I know that seems a little long to

3292
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:08,160
me. It's not electioneering at a polling

3293
02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:09,920
place because there's a specific carve

3294
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:13,040
out in the electioneering at a polling

3295
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:15,920
place law that says you can do this. You

3296
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:18,479
can discuss Australian ballot items from

3297
02:27:18,479 --> 02:27:23,200
the law tell but it would be

3298
02:27:23,200 --> 02:27:26,399
a little convoluted. Yes, people voted

3299
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:27,760
early.

3300
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:29,680
>> But that's why you have twoformational

3301
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:32,319
meetings. Okay. I just wanted to make

3302
02:27:32,319 --> 02:27:34,000
sure and you'd want to be encouraging

3303
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:35,680
people to go to those first two

3304
02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:36,479
meetings.

3305
02:27:36,479 --> 02:27:37,359
>> Yeah.

3306
02:27:37,359 --> 02:27:40,240
>> Sandy, did you um The only thing I I

3307
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:43,200
guess have to say before we go any

3308
02:27:43,200 --> 02:27:46,399
further with any of this, the select

3309
02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:49,840
have the right or the

3310
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:53,520
um the ability to put these on the town

3311
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:58,479
meeting articles without having any. So,

3312
02:27:58,479 --> 02:28:01,040
I think the question is, do we even want

3313
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:03,439
to do that? Because it would have to be

3314
02:28:03,439 --> 02:28:06,080
the majority of us deciding yes, we want

3315
02:28:06,080 --> 02:28:10,640
this on the town meeting articles.

3316
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:13,359
And if everyone says yes or a portion of

3317
02:28:13,359 --> 02:28:14,960
it, yeah, we'd like to do the town

3318
02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:17,040
clerk, we don't want to use the town. I

3319
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:19,760
mean, it's the board's decision to do it

3320
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:22,319
or not do it. And then

3321
02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:23,200
>> put it on the

3322
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:25,439
>> put it on Exactly. not to make the

3323
02:28:25,439 --> 02:28:28,800
decision but to put it as a floor vote,

3324
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:31,280
we have the right to do that as the

3325
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:32,800
governing

3326
02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:35,359
whatever the legislative body for the

3327
02:28:35,359 --> 02:28:39,920
town. So if none of us are interested in

3328
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:42,800
doing that, then we're done.

3329
02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:45,040
Um maybe we're interested in only the

3330
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:47,280
like I said the town clerk only, not the

3331
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:50,080
treasurer. Maybe we're interested in

3332
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:54,000
dropping the residency on both one. I

3333
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:56,880
mean all of these are articles. If

3334
02:28:56,880 --> 02:28:59,280
nobody wants to do any of it or we only

3335
02:28:59,280 --> 02:29:02,479
want to do one or two at that point we

3336
02:29:02,479 --> 02:29:08,160
decide okay the next step is to work on

3337
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,640
making this or asking the town whether

3338
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:13,200
or not they want to put this as a

3339
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:15,359
Australian bow. So that's kind of where

3340
02:29:15,359 --> 02:29:17,359
we are where I feel like you maybe

3341
02:29:17,359 --> 02:29:19,280
should just figure out whether or not

3342
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:23,280
people even want to go any further.

3343
02:29:23,280 --> 02:29:27,040
Great. Let's just hear from who's here.

3344
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:28,560
Come on up, Bill. I'm just gonna go

3345
02:29:28,560 --> 02:29:30,800
around the room here.

3346
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:31,439
Um

3347
02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:33,680
>> I hope I'm not two minutes because

3348
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:37,040
there's a lot of stuff that I here. Um

3349
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:37,680
first of all,

3350
02:29:37,680 --> 02:29:40,800
>> I'll give you three.

3351
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:46,080
>> I I disagree with the number of premises

3352
02:29:46,080 --> 02:29:48,080
that

3353
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:52,479
were stated as this is necessary. really

3354
02:29:52,479 --> 02:29:57,200
uh we had a debacle in East town uh in

3355
02:29:57,200 --> 02:30:02,319
25 and into 26 with regard to

3356
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:06,800
you know 10 people leaving this uh

3357
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:10,080
employment in this town. Uh the town

3358
02:30:10,080 --> 02:30:13,840
clerk resigned, manager resigned. uh it

3359
02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:17,359
was not a fun situation

3360
02:30:17,359 --> 02:30:21,600
and I think to to take a big leap to say

3361
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:23,920
that we have to go through this whole

3362
02:30:23,920 --> 02:30:29,040
process to elect uh to to rid ourselves

3363
02:30:29,040 --> 02:30:32,319
of electing courts and treasuries is a

3364
02:30:32,319 --> 02:30:35,520
big overreach right now. I think that

3365
02:30:35,520 --> 02:30:39,120
maybe you could let the town let things

3366
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:41,359
settle. We have a new town manager now.

3367
02:30:41,359 --> 02:30:43,680
We have a new select board now. And

3368
02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:46,560
yeah, you had you had difficulty getting

3369
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:49,359
people applying for this position. And I

3370
02:30:49,359 --> 02:30:51,359
hope I don't offended people at this

3371
02:30:51,359 --> 02:30:55,920
board, but the there were 300 voters who

3372
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:58,080
elected somebody to the town clerk's

3373
02:30:58,080 --> 02:31:01,280
office. Even though nobody ran, there

3374
02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:03,439
was somebody elected to that position.

3375
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:04,960
There was somebody elected to the town

3376
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:07,760
treasurer's position. This board chose

3377
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:10,319
not to even talk to that person. She

3378
02:31:10,319 --> 02:31:13,164
came. No, let me finish. Okay.

3379
02:31:13,164 --> 02:31:13,520
[clears throat]

3380
02:31:13,520 --> 02:31:17,520
>> She came in at the at the 9th hour, the

3381
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:19,359
11th hour, whatever, whatever you want

3382
02:31:19,359 --> 02:31:22,000
to call it, and said that she wasn't

3383
02:31:22,000 --> 02:31:25,840
interested. But prior to that,

3384
02:31:25,840 --> 02:31:28,399
all the communication and the public got

3385
02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:31,760
to to know was what happened. We didn't

3386
02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:33,520
know what happened at executive session

3387
02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:33,840
here.

3388
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:36,800
>> We're going to debate that, okay?

3389
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:38,399
side of the story and the board has

3390
02:31:38,399 --> 02:31:40,560
another side of the story and and what

3391
02:31:40,560 --> 02:31:43,280
evidence the question here is whether

3392
02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:45,359
the town whether the select board should

3393
02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:48,160
be looking at appointed versus elected.

3394
02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:50,640
Let's not we're not going to go into who

3395
02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:53,040
said, she said, they said, he said.

3396
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:54,800
>> Okay, let's be where we are right now.

3397
02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:56,960
>> Let's where this is where we are now.

3398
02:31:56,960 --> 02:32:01,520
>> That's fine then. Is that's fine.

3399
02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:08,960
So, we got to the point where where the elected clerk decided not to take

3400
02:32:08,960 --> 02:32:12,720
the position. And now we're here. We've

3401
02:32:12,720 --> 02:32:14,960
got a town clerk. We've got a town

3402
02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:17,680
treasurer. and we have a good town

3403
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:20,479
manager. The town treasurer's position,

3404
02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:22,960
I think, you know, I would like to have

3405
02:32:22,960 --> 02:32:26,319
you give Gracie some opportunity to to

3406
02:32:26,319 --> 02:32:29,840
decide what she might need in terms of

3407
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:33,120
having a staff here. I don't know, maybe

3408
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:35,520
you know, but I don't think the public

3409
02:32:35,520 --> 02:32:38,720
knows all of her skill sets. Is she's

3410
02:32:38,720 --> 02:32:40,880
got good experience with budgeting? Is

3411
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:45,920
she an accountant? Does she know how to uh direct the bookkeeper? I don't

3412
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:51,040
know. So, this is a big step, but let's

3413
02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:55,120
just talk about this. Your proposal to

3414
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:58,399
um you know, I agree with Sandy. If

3415
02:32:58,399 --> 02:33:00,399
you're going to do this at all, just put

3416
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:02,560
it on the town meeting agenda. We had a

3417
02:33:02,560 --> 02:33:05,680
town meeting two years ago and we had a

3418
02:33:05,680 --> 02:33:07,439
lot of discussion about whether we want

3419
02:33:07,439 --> 02:33:09,920
to go to Australian ballot and the

3420
02:33:09,920 --> 02:33:13,200
voters clearly said no, they didn't want

3421
02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:16,800
to do that. You're proposing to have a

3422
02:33:16,800 --> 02:33:20,399
special town meeting in January to have

3423
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:22,560
a discussion about whether we want to go

3424
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:24,479
to Australian ballot for this one

3425
02:33:24,479 --> 02:33:26,000
question.

3426
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:28,000
I think you're going to have very few

3427
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:30,960
people there. Uh so maybe you get what

3428
02:33:30,960 --> 02:33:33,680
you want. Secondly, if you have that

3429
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:36,160
vote on January 11th, have you factored

3430
02:33:36,160 --> 02:33:38,640
into the equation that there's a 30-day

3431
02:33:38,640 --> 02:33:41,280
appeal period where people can have a

3432
02:33:41,280 --> 02:33:43,439
petition and decide to overturn what

3433
02:33:43,439 --> 02:33:46,640
they did on January 11th? That would you

3434
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:51,040
could have a petition that comes in on February 11th that says you have to

3435
02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:53,920
have another town meeting to to

3436
02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:56,560
reconsider the decision that was made on

3437
02:33:56,560 --> 02:33:58,880
January about it. And you need a 30-day

3438
02:33:58,880 --> 02:34:00,720
warning for that. So that puts you to

3439
02:34:00,720 --> 02:34:03,359
March 11th, which is after town meeting.

3440
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:05,439
So I think your timeline is a little bit

3441
02:34:05,439 --> 02:34:07,200
next time.

3442
02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:09,840
>> So anyway, I think that if you're going

3443
02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:12,560
to do this at all, just put it on the

3444
02:34:12,560 --> 02:34:16,399
agenda. But I would suggest that

3445
02:34:16,399 --> 02:34:18,880
over 200 years, we've elected clerks in

3446
02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:20,880
this community. We've never had

3447
02:34:20,880 --> 02:34:23,040
difficulty. Maybe we didn't have people

3448
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:25,040
running for the position, but how many

3449
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:26,960
of you select board members over the

3450
02:34:26,960 --> 02:34:29,840
past 35 years have had uncontested

3451
02:34:29,840 --> 02:34:32,080
races? I wouldn't get too worked up

3452
02:34:32,080 --> 02:34:33,120
about

3453
02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:34,800
>> Thank you.

3454
02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:43,439
>> Rick West

3455
02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:47,200
and town resident. Um,

3456
02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:49,600
I'm going to start by saying I actually

3457
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:52,080
favor the appointment of the clerk and

3458
02:34:52,080 --> 02:34:55,760
treasure, but I agree with

3459
02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:57,600
some of the things that Bill said, which

3460
02:34:57,600 --> 02:34:59,359
are essentially

3461
02:34:59,359 --> 02:35:01,600
go slowly and really work this through

3462
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:03,600
and think about just what it is you want

3463
02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:06,319
to do. Um,

3464
02:35:06,319 --> 02:35:09,040
my reasons for

3465
02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:10,560
making that appointment actually made

3466
02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:14,080
sense. um despite the few hundred years

3467
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:16,080
of

3468
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:17,920
success we've had in the current system

3469
02:35:17,920 --> 02:35:20,080
and I I don't actually doubt that

3470
02:35:20,080 --> 02:35:22,399
although I haven't read the history

3471
02:35:22,399 --> 02:35:25,520
books uh

3472
02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:29,040
always start with asking question what

3473
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:31,840
problem is it that you're trying to

3474
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:35,040
resolve the problem it seems to me that

3475
02:35:35,040 --> 02:35:39,920
we have it that was exposed in in the uh

3476
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:42,000
activity

3477
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:43,520
in everything that happened in the last

3478
02:35:43,520 --> 02:35:47,040
two years is that um

3479
02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:49,200
there's a mismatch between authority and

3480
02:35:49,200 --> 02:35:52,960
responsibility. It seems quite odd at

3481
02:35:52,960 --> 02:35:55,920
times that uh an appointed official town

3482
02:35:55,920 --> 02:35:58,800
manager

3483
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:03,920
is in a position awkward position of

3484
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:06,640
directing and cannot direct the

3485
02:36:06,640 --> 02:36:09,600
activities of an elected official.

3486
02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:13,280
The clerk and the treasurer are both

3487
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:15,920
roles that are primarily

3488
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:17,920
in my view and I could be wrong about

3489
02:36:17,920 --> 02:36:21,920
this non-political but and therefore

3490
02:36:21,920 --> 02:36:25,439
administrative and ministerial primarily

3491
02:36:25,439 --> 02:36:29,439
and that's important. So electing

3492
02:36:29,439 --> 02:36:34,309
those positions

3493
02:36:34,319 --> 02:36:40,870
doesn't have for me the uh

3494
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:46,720
with of is that the right word of um

3495
02:36:46,720 --> 02:36:48,640
democratic concern that's being raised

3496
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:52,960
here and by the way the use of the word

3497
02:36:52,960 --> 02:36:54,720
democratic or democracy in this

3498
02:36:54,720 --> 02:36:58,640
discussion seems to be tied entirely to

3499
02:36:58,640 --> 02:37:01,760
the electoral process and the electoral

3500
02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:04,240
process is not the only means by which

3501
02:37:04,240 --> 02:37:09,439
we exercise or act in democratic ways.

3502
02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:12,640
My opinions on appointments versus uh

3503
02:37:12,640 --> 02:37:15,040
well no versus well yes I guess versus

3504
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:18,319
elections are already on record uh in

3505
02:37:18,319 --> 02:37:21,040
the Waterbury rounded out just a month

3506
02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:23,200
and a half ago not with respect to this

3507
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:26,319
issue but um

3508
02:37:26,319 --> 02:37:29,439
there's a general matter

3509
02:37:29,439 --> 02:37:32,160
with respect to the roles

3510
02:37:32,160 --> 02:37:34,319
and responsibilities of the legislators

3511
02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:39,110
and um the commissions that they

3512
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:41,600
have some experience in this. So I feel

3513
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:45,200
strongly that I it's

3514
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:49,040
entirely within the

3515
02:37:49,040 --> 02:37:51,920
jurisdiction and authority of

3516
02:37:51,920 --> 02:37:54,319
elected bodies of legislators to appoint

3517
02:37:54,319 --> 02:37:56,640
commissioners to to do [clears throat]

3518
02:37:56,640 --> 02:38:01,760
specified limited work on their behalf.

3519
02:38:01,760 --> 02:38:03,840
I think that

3520
02:38:03,840 --> 02:38:05,920
I see no reason why the the roles of the

3521
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:08,000
clerk and the treasur fit in that in

3522
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:11,030
that

3523
02:38:11,040 --> 02:38:12,640
view.

3524
02:38:12,640 --> 02:38:14,560
So I would merely I'll finish up by

3525
02:38:14,560 --> 02:38:17,200
saying I think you should seriously

3526
02:38:17,200 --> 02:38:20,000
consider this the process that we choose

3527
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:24,399
to do this. I think Bill is right that

3528
02:38:24,399 --> 02:38:27,920
and Sandy are right we shouldn't blush

3529
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:29,520
this. we should think long and hard

3530
02:38:29,520 --> 02:38:32,880
about it and and have the kinds of

3531
02:38:32,880 --> 02:38:35,520
public discussions in which these views

3532
02:38:35,520 --> 02:38:38,640
get aired. Um,

3533
02:38:38,640 --> 02:38:41,280
and I would just say that

3534
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:42,880
I guess I've already said it. I'm not

3535
02:38:42,880 --> 02:38:45,760
worried about select board abuse. Uh, me

3536
02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:48,000
neither. I I don't actually I I don't

3537
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:50,800
like the idea that my initial reaction

3538
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:54,160
to the proposed trigger change is uh

3539
02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:56,800
negative. Okay.

3540
02:38:56,800 --> 02:39:00,720
Recalling elected officials because

3541
02:39:00,720 --> 02:39:02,560
we have elections every year. That's

3542
02:39:02,560 --> 02:39:05,200
what elections are. They are recalls.

3543
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:06,960
We've already got that need. So, I'd be

3544
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:11,359
careful about that. Very. Um,

3545
02:39:11,359 --> 02:39:13,680
and lastly, um, well, I've just said it.

3546
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:16,800
I don't think that that a legislative

3547
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:19,680
body appointing

3548
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:24,720
officials to do specific

3549
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:26,720
um

3550
02:39:26,720 --> 02:39:31,680
work that is within their jurisdiction of the legislative body and

3551
02:39:31,680 --> 02:39:33,280
then

3552
02:39:33,280 --> 02:39:35,840
specifically defined for the positions.

3553
02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:38,000
I don't think that's undemocratic.

3554
02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:41,760
I think that human ele

3555
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:42,240
Thank you.

3556
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:49,349
>> Thank you.

3557
02:39:49,359 --> 02:39:52,800
My first initial question was um we

3558
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:54,240
don't need to answer it right now.

3559
02:39:54,240 --> 02:39:57,359
There's no law in state legislature that

3560
02:39:57,359 --> 02:40:00,399
if a town u

3561
02:40:00,399 --> 02:40:04,399
clerk or treasurer somehow abuses their

3562
02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:06,880
position [clears throat] that there can

3563
02:40:06,880 --> 02:40:10,640
be a special election to

3564
02:40:10,640 --> 02:40:15,439
recall or vote that person out. That was

3565
02:40:15,439 --> 02:40:18,080
second question is if the board if

3566
02:40:18,080 --> 02:40:20,640
you're asking

3567
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:22,399
for

3568
02:40:22,399 --> 02:40:25,040
a vote on whether or not to allow the

3569
02:40:25,040 --> 02:40:29,840
select board to appoint these positions

3570
02:40:29,840 --> 02:40:32,080
with the revolving select board year

3571
02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:34,399
over year

3572
02:40:34,399 --> 02:40:39,120
who fires those people if need be? Is it

3573
02:40:39,120 --> 02:40:41,359
then become the town manager's position

3574
02:40:41,359 --> 02:40:45,600
to do that or does the select board that

3575
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:48,960
perhaps didn't hire that person now have

3576
02:40:48,960 --> 02:40:52,800
the responsibility to fire that person

3577
02:40:52,800 --> 02:40:54,720
>> is the select

3578
02:40:54,720 --> 02:40:57,600
>> whoever whoever happens to consistent

3579
02:40:57,600 --> 02:41:01,359
>> I see that problematic because the

3580
02:41:01,359 --> 02:41:03,120
future select board that may have to

3581
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:05,840
deal with some needless action for

3582
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:08,240
whatever reason doesn't know how that

3583
02:41:08,240 --> 02:41:10,399
person got put there. It just seems like

3584
02:41:10,399 --> 02:41:13,600
it's shifting the responsibility to

3585
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:17,280
different people who may not be all in

3586
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:21,760
on what could place get that person, you

3587
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:23,840
know, to have a desire to have that

3588
02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:26,000
person move. That's just my thought

3589
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:27,760
process.

3590
02:41:27,760 --> 02:41:30,160
>> And then how does that conflict with the

3591
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:32,560
town manager's

3592
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:35,422
relationship, if any, with those two?

3593
02:41:35,422 --> 02:41:37,600
[clears throat] Those two P those two

3594
02:41:37,600 --> 02:41:40,800
positions have three-year contracts. Is

3595
02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:43,040
that what you're Is that I mean you're

3596
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:43,920
>> That's Yeah.

3597
02:41:43,920 --> 02:41:44,399
>> Yeah.

3598
02:41:44,399 --> 02:41:46,319
>> I mean, I would set it up as an

3599
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:49,760
indefinite contract like the manager.

3600
02:41:49,760 --> 02:41:52,080
>> Well, no. Manager has a three-year

3601
02:41:52,080 --> 02:41:53,200
contract.

3602
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:56,640
>> That's negotiable.

3603
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:58,479
>> So, how is that any different than

3604
02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:00,880
electing the town people electing?

3605
02:42:00,880 --> 02:42:02,240
>> As Evan just said, I don't think you

3606
02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:04,000
heard it. She doesn't have to petition

3607
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:07,600
for her. But that's completely all of a

3608
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:10,960
sudden Gracie who you know would rather

3609
02:42:10,960 --> 02:42:13,120
have

3610
02:42:13,120 --> 02:42:14,000
no different

3611
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:15,920
>> what I just recognizes she doesn't have

3612
02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:18,560
to petition for her. Well, that's part

3613
02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:21,520
of the problem, you know,

3614
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:23,439
people don't want a petition [laughter]

3615
02:42:23,439 --> 02:42:26,240
for the for the petition.

3616
02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:27,840
That's a drawback,

3617
02:42:27,840 --> 02:42:28,240
>> right?

3618
02:42:28,240 --> 02:42:31,600
>> But that's an ad. I mean, everybody's,

3619
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:34,319
>> you know, and uh so and then as far as

3620
02:42:34,319 --> 02:42:37,040
the charter change, I agree with Rick.

3621
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:39,040
>> To me, that seems like it's stepping

3622
02:42:39,040 --> 02:42:42,560
into the realm of,

3623
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:45,439
you know, your tight.

3624
02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:48,240
>> Yeah. transition. I'd rather see that

3625
02:42:48,240 --> 02:42:50,800
just

3626
02:42:50,800 --> 02:42:52,800
>> again that's an option for the voters in

3627
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:54,000
the town. If they don't ever want to

3628
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:56,240
remove any of us, they don't ever

3629
02:42:56,240 --> 02:43:01,429
circulate a petition.

3630
02:43:01,439 --> 02:43:05,590
» I'll be very brief.

3631
02:43:05,600 --> 02:43:08,479
I I don't want to recant what a lot of

3632
02:43:08,479 --> 02:43:11,359
the other folks have said, but I do

3633
02:43:11,359 --> 02:43:13,040
think

3634
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:16,880
something that the select board needs to

3635
02:43:16,880 --> 02:43:20,640
consider. I do think the problem with

3636
02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:24,080
like if if you have a rogue

3637
02:43:24,080 --> 02:43:25,600
uh

3638
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:30,000
treasurer or town clerk, that's what the

3639
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:34,240
legal systems for them in jail. Hey, I'm

3640
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:36,479
Scott with money. I'm sorry. I believe

3641
02:43:36,479 --> 02:43:39,359
in law and order. You know, if someone

3642
02:43:39,359 --> 02:43:41,680
does something illegal, they should be

3643
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:43,279
put in jail.

3644
02:43:43,279 --> 02:43:46,560
>> But but then they're sitting in jail and

3645
02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:49,760
we have no clerk.

3646
02:43:49,760 --> 02:43:52,880
>> I understand. But to me, if someone does

3647
02:43:52,880 --> 02:43:55,760
something so heinous they can be money.

3648
02:43:55,760 --> 02:43:56,903
>> I understand it. What you're

3649
02:43:56,903 --> 02:43:58,240
[clears throat] saying is if it's an

3650
02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:00,880
elected position, right, that's that

3651
02:44:00,880 --> 02:44:03,200
elected position. That elected person is

3652
02:44:03,200 --> 02:44:05,520
sitting in the jail not taking care of

3653
02:44:05,520 --> 02:44:07,920
our town.

3654
02:44:07,920 --> 02:44:08,720
>> Elections.

3655
02:44:08,720 --> 02:44:11,040
>> We have to have a new election.

3656
02:44:11,040 --> 02:44:11,760
>> I

3657
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:13,120
>> Okay. I just wanted to

3658
02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:17,040
>> I totally understand that. And I maybe

3659
02:44:17,040 --> 02:44:20,479
um Evan could clarify this. If we have a

3660
02:44:20,479 --> 02:44:23,520
town clerk sitting in a jail cell, we

3661
02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:26,319
have no recourse to hire, you know, to

3662
02:44:26,319 --> 02:44:28,720
have a new election.

3663
02:44:28,720 --> 02:44:31,120
>> Not that I'm aware of at all. They're

3664
02:44:31,120 --> 02:44:33,040
still the town clerk in jail.

3665
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:33,359
>> Exactly.

3666
02:44:33,359 --> 02:44:34,960
>> Would have to go to the legisle, right?

3667
02:44:34,960 --> 02:44:38,399
I mean, they would have they would have

3668
02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:40,640
problem. You know, I I do just in

3669
02:44:40,640 --> 02:44:43,920
summary, I do believe because these

3670
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:47,200
positions have become so complex that I

3671
02:44:47,200 --> 02:44:50,080
think appointment does make a little

3672
02:44:50,080 --> 02:44:52,720
sense, but I don't think we should rush

3673
02:44:52,720 --> 02:44:55,520
right into this timeline, make make a

3674
02:44:55,520 --> 02:44:57,359
quick decision. I think that's just

3675
02:44:57,359 --> 02:44:59,040
foolish. I think we should give it a

3676
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:01,520
little bit more thought, elect, you

3677
02:45:01,520 --> 02:45:04,560
know, have a have an election and look

3678
02:45:04,560 --> 02:45:08,479
at this maybe in 12 months.

3679
02:45:08,479 --> 02:45:11,279
I I just want to point out we have been

3680
02:45:11,279 --> 02:45:13,760
posting for the treasures position and

3681
02:45:13,760 --> 02:45:16,960
have gotten no applications. Just put

3682
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:20,710
that out there.

3683
02:45:20,720 --> 02:45:22,880
» That's happening with so so many

3684
02:45:22,880 --> 02:45:24,560
>> I know it just because you know a

3685
02:45:24,560 --> 02:45:26,640
fiduciary responsibility of that

3686
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:27,760
position

3687
02:45:27,760 --> 02:45:30,080
>> and it falls back on you. But I feel

3688
02:45:30,080 --> 02:45:33,359
like if that was a position that was

3689
02:45:33,359 --> 02:45:36,800
offered somebody to apply for,

3690
02:45:36,800 --> 02:45:39,760
>> we might have some.

3691
02:45:39,760 --> 02:45:40,399
>> That's just

3692
02:45:40,399 --> 02:45:42,720
>> I'll tell you what, I know a few people

3693
02:45:42,720 --> 02:45:44,240
that would, but they don't want to deal

3694
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:45,840
with being going for an election.

3695
02:45:45,840 --> 02:45:48,800
>> Going for election. I I understand that.

3696
02:45:48,800 --> 02:45:49,600
>> Yeah.

3697
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:52,080
>> All right. Thank you, Mike.

3698
02:45:52,080 --> 02:45:52,800
>> All right.

3699
02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:56,790
>> Miss,

3700
02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:57,439
thank you very much.

3701
02:45:57,439 --> 02:46:00,399
>> Thank you. Thanks for coming. All right,

3702
02:46:00,399 --> 02:46:02,080
let's bring it back here. Everyone's

3703
02:46:02,080 --> 02:46:04,000
commented. Is there anyone on the

3704
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:08,720
website or on the whatever?

3705
02:46:08,720 --> 02:46:12,710
>> What's your pleasure, Board?

3706
02:46:12,720 --> 02:46:14,720
» I'm going to start. I think we should

3707
02:46:14,720 --> 02:46:18,080
hold off on this and do due diligence on

3708
02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:20,240
a process that does not involve a

3709
02:46:20,240 --> 02:46:22,240
meeting in the middle of January. I

3710
02:46:22,240 --> 02:46:24,880
would like to see us take this on during

3711
02:46:24,880 --> 02:46:26,960
better weather and have these meetings

3712
02:46:26,960 --> 02:46:28,640
like in the spring or fall, you know,

3713
02:46:28,640 --> 02:46:30,960
it's easier to get to. I also, and Rick,

3714
02:46:30,960 --> 02:46:32,800
that's my comment. I think what'd be

3715
02:46:32,800 --> 02:46:34,560
interesting is to have two community

3716
02:46:34,560 --> 02:46:37,760
members debate this and videotape Zoom.

3717
02:46:37,760 --> 02:46:39,200
And I thought that'd be an interesting

3718
02:46:39,200 --> 02:46:41,680
process like, you know, the debate to

3719
02:46:41,680 --> 02:46:43,040
actually hold a debate whatever the

3720
02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:45,520
rules are around this so the public can

3721
02:46:45,520 --> 02:46:47,920
hear the pluses and minus versus just

3722
02:46:47,920 --> 02:46:49,920
sitting. And again, no offense, we'll

3723
02:46:49,920 --> 02:46:52,000
have those public meetings. But to have

3724
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:53,840
two people really narrow in the back and

3725
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:56,160
forth would be an interesting, you know,

3726
02:46:56,160 --> 02:46:58,000
way to get some information on the

3727
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:04,150
pluses and minuses of both. Sandy.

3728
02:47:04,160 --> 02:47:08,560
Um, I'm against obviously like you said,

3729
02:47:08,560 --> 02:47:10,000
I don't want anything to do with the

3730
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:11,520
charter,

3731
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:15,279
but I feel like I if you ask me right

3732
02:47:15,279 --> 02:47:17,439
now if we should have these four

3733
02:47:17,439 --> 02:47:20,960
questions on the articles, I would say

3734
02:47:20,960 --> 02:47:25,120
it's because I feel as though there are

3735
02:47:25,120 --> 02:47:26,880
a lot of people out there that would be

3736
02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:30,880
excellent in this position.

3737
02:47:30,880 --> 02:47:33,600
if it was a hired position

3738
02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:36,880
that we would not have the ability to

3739
02:47:36,880 --> 02:47:39,920
have with our current

3740
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:42,160
it would open it up for people that are

3741
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:46,880
very qualified and um not that we do not

3742
02:47:46,880 --> 02:47:48,640
have anybody qualified now. I'm just

3743
02:47:48,640 --> 02:47:51,600
saying it would I feel it would would

3744
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:54,160
change a lot of things and I and I would

3745
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:57,439
be putting it on as an

3746
02:47:57,439 --> 02:47:59,120
Roger.

3747
02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:04,399
>> Uh I am uh favorable to the idea of uh

3748
02:48:04,399 --> 02:48:09,279
moving towards an appointment. Um, I do

3749
02:48:09,279 --> 02:48:13,680
share some of Bill's concerns about uh

3750
02:48:13,680 --> 02:48:16,240
going into

3751
02:48:16,240 --> 02:48:18,720
more uncharted waters just at a point

3752
02:48:18,720 --> 02:48:21,200
when it seems like we're we're settling

3753
02:48:21,200 --> 02:48:23,520
down. So, I think we could take a year

3754
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:27,200
to further debate this without uh any uh

3755
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:34,630
real danger.

3756
02:48:34,640 --> 02:48:37,040
That wasn't obvious. So can I ask a

3757
02:48:37,040 --> 02:48:40,399
question to this group influences? So um

3758
02:48:40,399 --> 02:48:42,800
my understanding is West Pollock was

3759
02:48:42,800 --> 02:48:44,399
appointed

3760
02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:46,319
only until Tommy. Right.

3761
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:46,720
>> Right.

3762
02:48:46,720 --> 02:48:49,200
>> So you could have two people let's say

3763
02:48:49,200 --> 02:48:50,720
run through

3764
02:48:50,720 --> 02:48:52,319
>> town

3765
02:48:52,319 --> 02:48:53,680
>> or none.

3766
02:48:53,680 --> 02:48:55,120
>> Well just

3767
02:48:55,120 --> 02:48:56,960
>> I mean he would have Wes would have to

3768
02:48:56,960 --> 02:48:57,600
run

3769
02:48:57,600 --> 02:49:00,399
>> but Right. He would have

3770
02:49:00,399 --> 02:49:02,319
two other people. I'm just saying three

3771
02:49:02,319 --> 02:49:03,760
people plus food. Right. And then

3772
02:49:03,760 --> 02:49:05,359
whoever votes. So he could be out of a

3773
02:49:05,359 --> 02:49:06,560
job after what? That's right.

3774
02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:08,479
>> Eight months or seven months to hear it.

3775
02:49:08,479 --> 02:49:09,279
Correct.

3776
02:49:09,279 --> 02:49:12,080
>> If he's not vote,

3777
02:49:12,080 --> 02:49:13,680
>> I'm just saying that's a danger that we

3778
02:49:13,680 --> 02:49:15,040
have, right? I mean, who knows?

3779
02:49:15,040 --> 02:49:17,439
>> Right. That's a danger about every

3780
02:49:17,439 --> 02:49:20,800
election we have maybe.

3781
02:49:20,800 --> 02:49:22,000
>> Well, that's why we didn't have a lot of

3782
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:23,279
people apply because I could be out in

3783
02:49:23,279 --> 02:49:24,399
seven months. At least you have three

3784
02:49:24,399 --> 02:49:26,640
years of a job

3785
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:28,479
done. That's some a little bit of

3786
02:49:28,479 --> 02:49:30,640
stability. But I mean, I aim in the West

3787
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:32,560
for taking that chance. I mean,

3788
02:49:32,560 --> 02:49:36,630
>> yeah.

3789
02:49:36,640 --> 02:49:38,080
because you're right. I mean the

3790
02:49:38,080 --> 02:49:39,439
timelines as Bill mentioned you're

3791
02:49:39,439 --> 02:49:41,600
concerned about the Thursdays that kind

3792
02:49:41,600 --> 02:49:43,279
of stuff.

3793
02:49:43,279 --> 02:49:47,600
>> Yeah. Did not affect our decision.

3794
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:50,160
>> I should say I'm against the charter

3795
02:49:50,160 --> 02:49:54,080
change. I think that's something we

3796
02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:57,200
didn't read into right now. So you're

3797
02:49:57,200 --> 02:50:01,680
suggesting that um this kind of timeline

3798
02:50:01,680 --> 02:50:04,399
slide to the spring which would be a new

3799
02:50:04,399 --> 02:50:06,720
select board

3800
02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:07,439
theoretically

3801
02:50:07,439 --> 02:50:08,479
>> well some right

3802
02:50:08,479 --> 02:50:12,240
>> right some uh and so

3803
02:50:12,240 --> 02:50:15,760
let let yeah

3804
02:50:15,760 --> 02:50:16,479
okay

3805
02:50:16,479 --> 02:50:18,240
>> I do want to clarify that the January

3806
02:50:18,240 --> 02:50:19,680
meeting you mentioned is just about

3807
02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:21,520
moving the questions to Austral IC

3808
02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:23,040
ballot.

3809
02:50:23,040 --> 02:50:25,439
It's not about the debate about the

3810
02:50:25,439 --> 02:50:28,160
actual appointments. That decision has

3811
02:50:28,160 --> 02:50:31,120
to be made at the annual meeting. So the

3812
02:50:31,120 --> 02:50:32,640
debate about that would always be

3813
02:50:32,640 --> 02:50:34,640
happening in January, February, no

3814
02:50:34,640 --> 02:50:38,479
matter what.

3815
02:50:38,479 --> 02:50:40,479
So if you took the charter change out of

3816
02:50:40,479 --> 02:50:43,200
the equation, that conversation, you

3817
02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:46,319
have the January town meet, special town

3818
02:50:46,319 --> 02:50:50,240
meeting to put the four articles on the

3819
02:50:50,240 --> 02:50:52,319
ballot

3820
02:50:52,319 --> 02:50:56,469
that only authorizes

3821
02:50:56,479 --> 02:50:59,680
that only the vote at town meeting day

3822
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:02,640
would be to authorize the select board

3823
02:51:02,640 --> 02:51:05,200
to appoint and then and the residency

3824
02:51:05,200 --> 02:51:06,000
question.

3825
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:07,680
>> Correct. question would only be whether

3826
02:51:07,680 --> 02:51:10,000
or not it's on the

3827
02:51:10,000 --> 02:51:12,080
>> Australian ballot

3828
02:51:12,080 --> 02:51:14,000
>> because at that point it's already been

3829
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:16,479
decided that it's going to be that it is

3830
02:51:16,479 --> 02:51:18,960
going to be on Australia. So the town is

3831
02:51:18,960 --> 02:51:21,520
voting in March and so you spend

3832
02:51:21,520 --> 02:51:24,240
February with yourformational meetings

3833
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:27,279
as to why this is being put on the

3834
02:51:27,279 --> 02:51:27,840
ballot.

3835
02:51:27,840 --> 02:51:30,640
>> No. Well, we

3836
02:51:30,640 --> 02:51:32,960
>> that's not what has to be done. I mean,

3837
02:51:32,960 --> 02:51:34,479
you can you're trying to

3838
02:51:34,479 --> 02:51:36,000
>> if it's on the ballot, there is a

3839
02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:37,680
requirement for anformational hearing,

3840
02:51:37,680 --> 02:51:40,560
>> right? But I'm just saying the what he's

3841
02:51:40,560 --> 02:51:43,120
talking about is if the board decided

3842
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:46,240
that they do want to put this,

3843
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:48,080
>> you know, it would be to have the

3844
02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:51,040
meetings to make people understand, but

3845
02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:53,359
we also would have that special meeting

3846
02:51:53,359 --> 02:51:57,439
to say, okay, if you would rather vote

3847
02:51:57,439 --> 02:51:59,600
Australian ballot than to have it as a

3848
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:02,560
floor vote, then we need to have a

3849
02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:06,080
special meeting to allow that to happen.

3850
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:08,160
Yeah, that's what happens in January.

3851
02:52:08,160 --> 02:52:10,560
What I'm asking is what I'm trying to

3852
02:52:10,560 --> 02:52:15,439
get at here is the timeline really is to

3853
02:52:15,439 --> 02:52:18,800
um address the issue at this coming town

3854
02:52:18,800 --> 02:52:23,279
meeting day. I feel extremely strongly

3855
02:52:23,279 --> 02:52:26,720
that's terrible. Sorry. Uh I feel very

3856
02:52:26,720 --> 02:52:30,800
strong that Lee that there needs to be

3857
02:52:30,800 --> 02:52:34,560
public education and outreach. And so I

3858
02:52:34,560 --> 02:52:36,319
wanted to understand what those two

3859
02:52:36,319 --> 02:52:39,680
meetings in February would be. To your

3860
02:52:39,680 --> 02:52:42,800
point, Don, about having a debate with

3861
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:46,399
town clerks or community members that

3862
02:52:46,399 --> 02:52:48,080
would that would have to happen in

3863
02:52:48,080 --> 02:52:49,200
February.

3864
02:52:49,200 --> 02:52:51,520
>> Yeah.

3865
02:52:51,520 --> 02:52:55,269
Um

3866
02:52:55,279 --> 02:52:57,520
so the alternative I think I'm hearing

3867
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:01,279
is um two of you are interested in

3868
02:53:01,279 --> 02:53:03,840
pursuing that direction and two of you

3869
02:53:03,840 --> 02:53:08,560
are saying do it next year do it uh

3870
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:11,279
>> start it up after we select you know

3871
02:53:11,279 --> 02:53:12,319
back there

3872
02:53:12,319 --> 02:53:14,560
>> start it a year later I mean

3873
02:53:14,560 --> 02:53:16,160
>> well I mean you would start a process

3874
02:53:16,160 --> 02:53:17,040
and figure out all

3875
02:53:17,040 --> 02:53:18,479
>> well you still wouldn't have the vote

3876
02:53:18,479 --> 02:53:20,800
until the next you'd have the vote

3877
02:53:20,800 --> 02:53:22,800
uh 2028

3878
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:24,240
>> but it would have a new select board to

3879
02:53:24,240 --> 02:53:25,120
make that decision.

3880
02:53:25,120 --> 02:53:25,600
>> Right.

3881
02:53:25,600 --> 02:53:30,630
>> I mean this board

3882
02:53:30,640 --> 02:53:32,560
» or the other thing is we can table it

3883
02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:34,880
for another meeting and

3884
02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:37,279
maybe have some people come in to speak

3885
02:53:37,279 --> 02:53:39,840
like you had said before different town

3886
02:53:39,840 --> 02:53:41,680
man [clears throat] town clerks that

3887
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:43,920
have different opinions not necessarily

3888
02:53:43,920 --> 02:53:46,000
all that are for or all that are against

3889
02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:47,840
because I'm sure we can find both.

3890
02:53:47,840 --> 02:53:49,120
>> So that's a good point Sydney. What's

3891
02:53:49,120 --> 02:53:50,240
our drop dead date?

3892
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:52,080
>> That's a good point, Sandy.

3893
02:53:52,080 --> 02:53:54,240
>> That is pretty much what this timeline

3894
02:53:54,240 --> 02:53:57,359
is. Like this was targeted towards the

3895
02:53:57,359 --> 02:53:58,560
annual meeting. And then

3896
02:53:58,560 --> 02:54:00,160
>> Can you put it back up there? Well, it's

3897
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:03,840
the January 11th date. That's the that

3898
02:54:03,840 --> 02:54:05,760
they have to warn that January 11th

3899
02:54:05,760 --> 02:54:06,880
date, right?

3900
02:54:06,880 --> 02:54:08,880
>> And that would be just about deciding

3901
02:54:08,880 --> 02:54:10,800
ballot versus floor vote.

3902
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:13,279
>> And that we could warn the special town

3903
02:54:13,279 --> 02:54:15,680
meeting at our next on October 6th if we

3904
02:54:15,680 --> 02:54:16,960
wanted to and hold it in like mid

3905
02:54:16,960 --> 02:54:18,720
November. So it's basically anywhere in

3906
02:54:18,720 --> 02:54:20,640
that window like mid November mid June

3907
02:54:20,640 --> 02:54:23,279
>> which allows for the 30 days.

3908
02:54:23,279 --> 02:54:23,840
Yeah. Yeah.

3909
02:54:23,840 --> 02:54:24,479
>> Yeah.

3910
02:54:24,479 --> 02:54:26,240
>> We said it.

3911
02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:29,120
>> So the other thing Yeah. Um also with

3912
02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:32,960
this um the 45 days after

3913
02:54:32,960 --> 02:54:36,720
uh town meeting the reason for the 45

3914
02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:39,359
days is that a petition can be put up to

3915
02:54:39,359 --> 02:54:40,000
reverse.

3916
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:41,760
>> Right. We have that too,

3917
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:43,520
>> right?

3918
02:54:43,520 --> 02:54:45,680
regardless of whether it goes either

3919
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:47,760
way, if it's Australian or if it's a

3920
02:54:47,760 --> 02:54:48,399
Florida.

3921
02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:50,560
>> I think I mean I think do from my

3922
02:54:50,560 --> 02:54:53,200
perspective I think Don brings up a good

3923
02:54:53,200 --> 02:54:54,880
I feel like I' I'd really like to hear

3924
02:54:54,880 --> 02:54:57,680
from some town clerks quite frankly. I I

3925
02:54:57,680 --> 02:55:00,960
know of I know of two I know of both

3926
02:55:00,960 --> 02:55:04,560
sides but I think that more people uh

3927
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:09,359
hearing both sides would um help inform

3928
02:55:09,359 --> 02:55:13,279
a path forward if that's all right

3929
02:55:13,279 --> 02:55:16,240
>> maybe making to have another meeting

3930
02:55:16,240 --> 02:55:18,399
where we have a little bit more time.

3931
02:55:18,399 --> 02:55:21,680
>> Yeah. So well we're running into

3932
02:55:21,680 --> 02:55:23,840
>> there's a lot of hot topics these days I

3933
02:55:23,840 --> 02:55:24,960
know right

3934
02:55:24,960 --> 02:55:27,359
>> um

3935
02:55:27,359 --> 02:55:33,750
Yes,

3936
02:55:33,760 --> 02:55:37,200
» I'm a strong advocate for the open town

3937
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:40,240
meeting, but if you're if you're all if

3938
02:55:40,240 --> 02:55:43,840
your goal is to have an Australian

3939
02:55:43,840 --> 02:55:47,200
ballot question to do this, you can do

3940
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:50,479
this by amending your chart as opposed

3941
02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:54,000
to having a meeting in November that

3942
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:55,680
people are going to come out to decide

3943
02:55:55,680 --> 02:55:59,040
whether or not they want to change um

3944
02:55:59,040 --> 02:56:01,840
you know to a special

3945
02:56:01,840 --> 02:56:04,319
Australian ballot for one item issue.

3946
02:56:04,319 --> 02:56:06,560
Charter changes have to be done by

3947
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:09,680
Australia. So you can have all of your

3948
02:56:09,680 --> 02:56:11,920
discussion and all of your education

3949
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:14,080
between now and the time you put your

3950
02:56:14,080 --> 02:56:16,479
warning together. You have to write the

3951
02:56:16,479 --> 02:56:20,640
charter and it could be a simple charter

3952
02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:23,120
meant I mean you you got a a local

3953
02:56:23,120 --> 02:56:25,840
option tax that's like two through two through two through two but

3954
02:56:25,840 --> 02:56:29,680
the charter is one page long right so

3955
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:32,000
you can say

3956
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:34,240
shall the voters amend the charter to

3957
02:56:34,240 --> 02:56:36,160
allow the select board to appoint the

3958
02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:38,479
clerk and treasur and then you have that

3959
02:56:38,479 --> 02:56:41,040
vote by Australian ballot at town

3960
02:56:41,040 --> 02:56:44,160
meeting and you can have all the

3961
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:46,000
education you

3962
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:48,399
So if you're trying to have an

3963
02:56:48,399 --> 02:56:52,160
Australian ballot, do it that way. And

3964
02:56:52,160 --> 02:56:56,240
for my two sense, if you're going to

3965
02:56:56,240 --> 02:56:59,200
amend the charter and allow somebody to

3966
02:56:59,200 --> 02:57:02,790
be

3967
02:57:02,800 --> 02:57:05,920
a hired person as opposed to elected

3968
02:57:05,920 --> 02:57:08,080
person, then write the chatter and let

3969
02:57:08,080 --> 02:57:10,560
the town manager appoint the clerk and

3970
02:57:10,560 --> 02:57:13,040
treasurer. And that person is an

3971
02:57:13,040 --> 02:57:15,600
employee like every other employee in

3972
02:57:15,600 --> 02:57:18,479
this building that the town manager

3973
02:57:18,479 --> 02:57:22,000
appoints. And if the town manager then

3974
02:57:22,000 --> 02:57:25,279
the town manager gets to uh evaluate the

3975
02:57:25,279 --> 02:57:27,680
person. If there's issues, the town

3976
02:57:27,680 --> 02:57:30,080
manager can discipline or fire the

3977
02:57:30,080 --> 02:57:33,760
person. Speaking as someone who served

3978
02:57:33,760 --> 02:57:36,720
five different boards with three or five

3979
02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:39,200
members, it's not great to have more

3980
02:57:39,200 --> 02:57:41,760
than one boss. So the town manager

3981
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:44,560
already has to have five people to be

3982
02:57:44,560 --> 02:57:46,240
responsible. That's correct.

3983
02:57:46,240 --> 02:57:49,840
>> But other employees really it's helpful

3984
02:57:49,840 --> 02:57:51,200
responsible to one person,

3985
02:57:51,200 --> 02:57:51,600
>> right?

3986
02:57:51,600 --> 02:57:53,760
>> So if you're going to do this, let town

3987
02:57:53,760 --> 02:57:56,240
manager be the person. So what's the

3988
02:57:56,240 --> 02:58:01,510
timing that

3989
02:58:01,520 --> 02:58:04,560
» you know?

3990
02:58:04,560 --> 02:58:05,840
Who's at the speed of the legislation?

3991
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:08,479
It might take until the end of the

3992
02:58:08,479 --> 02:58:09,920
legislative session.

3993
02:58:09,920 --> 02:58:10,240
>> Yeah.

3994
02:58:10,240 --> 02:58:12,000
>> I mean, Burlington has had some charter

3995
02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:15,279
changes pending for several years

3996
02:58:15,279 --> 02:58:18,000
because controversial

3997
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:19,279
depends on

3998
02:58:19,279 --> 02:58:21,200
>> what the issue is.

3999
02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:24,479
>> Yeah. I mean, Teresa, we would have the

4000
02:58:24,479 --> 02:58:26,560
support of Teresa. So,

4001
02:58:26,560 --> 02:58:27,520
>> so thank you, Bill.

4002
02:58:27,520 --> 02:58:29,840
>> I mean, I think that's something that

4003
02:58:29,840 --> 02:58:33,040
>> So, I think what I'm hearing here is

4004
02:58:33,040 --> 02:58:35,439
more research. more.

4005
02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:39,349
>> All right. Um

4006
02:58:39,359 --> 02:58:42,880
I I guess I'll talk with one of you two

4007
02:58:42,880 --> 02:58:45,359
as to what you want to do for next steps

4008
02:58:45,359 --> 02:58:46,960
in terms of putting it back on the

4009
02:58:46,960 --> 02:58:50,000
agenda and I am very respectful of how

4010
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:51,920
much work you have put into this. It's

4011
02:58:51,920 --> 02:58:54,479
massive and I really appreciate it and

4012
02:58:54,479 --> 02:58:57,120
so I don't want to push it but I

4013
02:58:57,120 --> 02:58:59,359
recognize we also have a timeline that

4014
02:58:59,359 --> 02:59:01,520
you have to look at. Well, I guess my

4015
02:59:01,520 --> 02:59:04,080
question is

4016
02:59:04,080 --> 02:59:06,319
if we're interested in it, do we try to

4017
02:59:06,319 --> 02:59:10,640
do it for 2027 or like Don suggested,

4018
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:12,960
push it till next year and do it in

4019
02:59:12,960 --> 02:59:14,399
2028?

4020
02:59:14,399 --> 02:59:16,319
>> I don't think we've made that decision.

4021
02:59:16,319 --> 02:59:20,000
>> Yeah, but I just want again for our

4022
02:59:20,000 --> 02:59:20,880
work.

4023
02:59:20,880 --> 02:59:23,359
>> The only thing that you know me got all

4024
02:59:23,359 --> 02:59:25,040
the evidence and why you're doing this

4025
02:59:25,040 --> 02:59:26,960
that doesn't go away. It's a matter of

4026
02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:28,800
how we want what's the process we want,

4027
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:30,560
>> right? Whether we go with this on a

4028
02:59:30,560 --> 02:59:32,640
different timeline or whether we do as

4029
02:59:32,640 --> 02:59:35,120
Bill suggests we do a chart of J and all

4030
02:59:35,120 --> 02:59:37,359
that evidence and all those rational

4031
02:59:37,359 --> 02:59:38,000
still exist.

4032
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:39,600
>> I think you have to find out about the

4033
02:59:39,600 --> 02:59:41,439
change process.

4034
02:59:41,439 --> 02:59:42,319
>> Yeah.

4035
02:59:42,319 --> 02:59:45,439
>> Okay. All right. So we'll table this for

4036
02:59:45,439 --> 02:59:46,080
now.

4037
02:59:46,080 --> 02:59:47,359
>> What do you need to know about the

4038
02:59:47,359 --> 02:59:49,680
charter change process?

4039
02:59:49,680 --> 02:59:51,920
Well, as Bill was just proposing is

4040
02:59:51,920 --> 02:59:53,920
that's a third that's to me is a third

4041
02:59:53,920 --> 02:59:55,359
alternative

4042
02:59:55,359 --> 02:59:56,000
>> process

4043
02:59:56,000 --> 02:59:57,920
>> that does not have to be tied to town

4044
02:59:57,920 --> 03:00:00,479
meeting. Uh that can be done literally

4045
03:00:00,479 --> 03:00:03,200
anytime.

4046
03:00:03,200 --> 03:00:05,359
>> I I understand that. I guess what I'm

4047
03:00:05,359 --> 03:00:08,399
most concerned about is communicating

4048
03:00:08,399 --> 03:00:11,760
all of this information in an organized

4049
03:00:11,760 --> 03:00:15,200
presentation to the community because

4050
03:00:15,200 --> 03:00:17,920
whether it's a charter change for

4051
03:00:17,920 --> 03:00:20,000
Australian ballot, whether it's putting

4052
03:00:20,000 --> 03:00:22,319
it doing special meetings and putting it

4053
03:00:22,319 --> 03:00:24,399
on Australian ballot, whether it's the

4054
03:00:24,399 --> 03:00:27,680
residency question, uh there it's a it's

4055
03:00:27,680 --> 03:00:31,359
a big change and um I'm respectful of

4056
03:00:31,359 --> 03:00:33,840
the timeline

4057
03:00:33,840 --> 03:00:36,960
that that may be the best solution is to

4058
03:00:36,960 --> 03:00:40,000
just put it off a year or not. But it

4059
03:00:40,000 --> 03:00:42,319
may be not doing it all. I mean, putting

4060
03:00:42,319 --> 03:00:44,080
it it's we're not putting it off a year.

4061
03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:46,560
We're putting it off. It's Yeah. Okay.

4062
03:00:46,560 --> 03:00:49,520
It's a yes or no. And then it's a

4063
03:00:49,520 --> 03:00:51,359
charter change. It's there's three

4064
03:00:51,359 --> 03:00:53,279
processes in there. And from my

4065
03:00:53,279 --> 03:00:57,040
perspective, it's complicated. And so

4066
03:00:57,040 --> 03:00:59,600
the most important

4067
03:00:59,600 --> 03:01:03,439
>> piece of this whole discussion is how we

4068
03:01:03,439 --> 03:01:06,640
educate our communities as to what is

4069
03:01:06,640 --> 03:01:10,000
being discussed. Roger. And I can just

4070
03:01:10,000 --> 03:01:12,880
like to add that uh I really do uh

4071
03:01:12,880 --> 03:01:14,479
respect all the work that you've done on

4072
03:01:14,479 --> 03:01:16,880
this, but it seemed like it was based

4073
03:01:16,880 --> 03:01:19,279
primarily on the experience within

4074
03:01:19,279 --> 03:01:23,359
Waterberry and there's a whole uh you

4075
03:01:23,359 --> 03:01:27,279
know 250 other towns out there uh that

4076
03:01:27,279 --> 03:01:29,840
have considered this and I'd like to get

4077
03:01:29,840 --> 03:01:31,680
some of their experience into the

4078
03:01:31,680 --> 03:01:33,680
discussion to better educate ourselves

4079
03:01:33,680 --> 03:01:34,720
as soon.

4080
03:01:34,720 --> 03:01:36,720
>> You know the I I just want to comment on

4081
03:01:36,720 --> 03:01:38,720
that. I just want to comment on that in

4082
03:01:38,720 --> 03:01:41,120
that the town clerks that I talked I did

4083
03:01:41,120 --> 03:01:42,800
talk to a few because I wanted to

4084
03:01:42,800 --> 03:01:45,840
understand whether this was worthwhile.

4085
03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:49,760
Um and the the repeated comment was

4086
03:01:49,760 --> 03:01:53,439
there the the the technical the

4087
03:01:53,439 --> 03:01:56,800
legislative the know the rules that they

4088
03:01:56,800 --> 03:01:59,279
have to work under the state statutes

4089
03:01:59,279 --> 03:02:01,600
that they have to abide by

4090
03:02:01,600 --> 03:02:03,840
>> are just huge and it's getting more

4091
03:02:03,840 --> 03:02:06,960
complicated. Colchester was one of them.

4092
03:02:06,960 --> 03:02:12,640
Um and then the other side of it is the the personally the concern on the

4093
03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:15,520
financial side is putting someone in

4094
03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:18,800
that treasur position is responsible for

4095
03:02:18,800 --> 03:02:21,040
all of our account

4096
03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:23,120
and you know we've been blessed having

4097
03:02:23,120 --> 03:02:26,160
Bill but uh you know

4098
03:02:26,160 --> 03:02:27,200
>> all forever.

4099
03:02:27,200 --> 03:02:30,000
>> Well I'm afraid not.

4100
03:02:30,000 --> 03:02:32,479
Um, so that was the

4101
03:02:32,479 --> 03:02:35,760
>> No, I I totally get it and I just think

4102
03:02:35,760 --> 03:02:37,920
>> having that as part of the discussion

4103
03:02:37,920 --> 03:02:40,080
will be the swirl even more, you know,

4104
03:02:40,080 --> 03:02:43,359
as our political climate changes

4105
03:02:43,359 --> 03:02:46,560
>> and it's more divisive and reading an

4106
03:02:46,560 --> 03:02:48,160
article in the Atlantic about what's

4107
03:02:48,160 --> 03:02:50,000
going on in local elections is where all

4108
03:02:50,000 --> 03:02:52,800
the crap is starting to really happen.

4109
03:02:52,800 --> 03:02:55,120
>> I'm just curious is the town clerk on

4110
03:02:55,120 --> 03:02:57,439
their own has elected without much

4111
03:02:57,439 --> 03:02:59,920
protection by the town. So they don't

4112
03:02:59,920 --> 03:03:02,080
apply or is there better mor protection

4113
03:03:02,080 --> 03:03:04,080
if you're an employee?

4114
03:03:04,080 --> 03:03:05,840
>> So it would encourage people because

4115
03:03:05,840 --> 03:03:07,760
there's a lot going on and a lot of

4116
03:03:07,760 --> 03:03:10,800
>> yeah children and if you think Vermont's

4117
03:03:10,800 --> 03:03:13,040
immune to it

4118
03:03:13,040 --> 03:03:14,000
>> yeah it's

4119
03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:16,319
>> all right we're going to table this for

4120
03:03:16,319 --> 03:03:17,279
now.

4121
03:03:17,279 --> 03:03:19,920
>> Is there specific questions I can

4122
03:03:19,920 --> 03:03:21,600
research and answer like do you want an

4123
03:03:21,600 --> 03:03:24,960
alternate timeline? there want

4124
03:03:24,960 --> 03:03:28,560
>> I think you I would research getting a

4125
03:03:28,560 --> 03:03:31,600
couple of town clerks pro and con I mean

4126
03:03:31,600 --> 03:03:34,720
you know ones that advocate strongly for

4127
03:03:34,720 --> 03:03:36,960
their their elected or having been

4128
03:03:36,960 --> 03:03:39,680
elected whatever you know what but I

4129
03:03:39,680 --> 03:03:42,800
think that's a key piece I think the I

4130
03:03:42,800 --> 03:03:44,399
didn't you know we didn't really talk

4131
03:03:44,399 --> 03:03:46,000
about the process that Bill just

4132
03:03:46,000 --> 03:03:48,080
presented in terms of the charter making

4133
03:03:48,080 --> 03:03:50,240
it through a charter change process I

4134
03:03:50,240 --> 03:03:51,760
think that's relevant

4135
03:03:51,760 --> 03:03:53,359
>> says no offense

4136
03:03:53,359 --> 03:03:54,880
Yeah,

4137
03:03:54,880 --> 03:03:57,359
might be able to find others that

4138
03:03:57,359 --> 03:03:59,600
>> company still changing its charts. We

4139
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:01,840
had the town before.

4140
03:04:01,840 --> 03:04:03,120
>> Yeah.

4141
03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:04,160
>> Just look at this.

4142
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:06,319
>> Yes. We didn't we didn't really get that

4143
03:04:06,319 --> 03:04:08,640
presentation. So, I would look at those

4144
03:04:08,640 --> 03:04:13,200
two elements. Um, and you guys let me

4145
03:04:13,200 --> 03:04:15,680
know when you want to bring it back to

4146
03:04:15,680 --> 03:04:17,120
the table.

4147
03:04:17,120 --> 03:04:17,760
>> Okay.

4148
03:04:17,760 --> 03:04:19,680
>> Sure.

4149
03:04:19,680 --> 03:04:22,399
really thank you both for what you're

4150
03:04:22,399 --> 03:04:28,950
doing. Is that the last?

4151
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:32,240
» Oh, last item. We got to approve the

4152
03:04:32,240 --> 03:04:34,640
private road. Could you bring up the who

4153
03:04:34,640 --> 03:04:38,560
has the map? Uh the pager, the one

4154
03:04:38,560 --> 03:04:43,110
pager.

4155
03:04:43,120 --> 03:04:45,120
» Thank you very much for having the map

4156
03:04:45,120 --> 03:04:47,760
and the explanation.

4157
03:04:47,760 --> 03:04:52,790
zone administrator.

4158
03:04:52,800 --> 03:04:56,960
» So, um more of the same. Um downtown

4159
03:04:56,960 --> 03:05:00,720
density um creating uh triggering the

4160
03:05:00,720 --> 03:05:04,720
need for a new private road. Um in this

4161
03:05:04,720 --> 03:05:08,000
particular context, the And if you'll

4162
03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:10,640
let me point, this single family

4163
03:05:10,640 --> 03:05:13,040
dwelling has literally been picked up

4164
03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:15,040
and moved to where that black square is.

4165
03:05:15,040 --> 03:05:15,520
Yeah.

4166
03:05:15,520 --> 03:05:18,319
>> Um so has moved from 73 North Main

4167
03:05:18,319 --> 03:05:21,120
Street to the parcel currently known as

4168
03:05:21,120 --> 03:05:24,640
75 North Main Street. Um that makes for

4169
03:05:24,640 --> 03:05:27,040
three buildings on that parcel each with

4170
03:05:27,040 --> 03:05:29,920
a separate locatable address and three

4171
03:05:29,920 --> 03:05:32,399
buildings equals a private road.

4172
03:05:32,399 --> 03:05:36,880
>> All right. And the property owner has um

4173
03:05:36,880 --> 03:05:38,960
has requested that the select board

4174
03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:41,439
consider um Hearthstone.

4175
03:05:41,439 --> 03:05:44,960
>> All right. it take a motion or do you

4176
03:05:44,960 --> 03:05:46,800
have questions?

4177
03:05:46,800 --> 03:05:48,960
See, we all had plenty of time to look

4178
03:05:48,960 --> 03:05:50,640
at this.

4179
03:05:50,640 --> 03:05:54,479
is was very helpful.

4180
03:05:54,479 --> 03:05:56,319
I didn't have to do it when I was

4181
03:05:56,319 --> 03:05:56,720
working.

4182
03:05:56,720 --> 03:05:58,640
>> Love that you really approve that

4183
03:05:58,640 --> 03:06:00,479
numbering. That's measurements.

4184
03:06:00,479 --> 03:06:02,800
>> Yeah. Is there a motion to approve? Oh,

4185
03:06:02,800 --> 03:06:04,720
could you put that back? I was reading

4186
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:07,279
it.

4187
03:06:07,279 --> 03:06:10,880
>> There you go. to approve a new private

4188
03:06:10,880 --> 03:06:13,520
road named Hearthstone Circle off of

4189
03:06:13,520 --> 03:06:17,670
North Bay Street.

4190
03:06:17,680 --> 03:06:19,439
» Roger. Motion, Roger.

4191
03:06:19,439 --> 03:06:22,319
>> Uh I move to approve a new private road

4192
03:06:22,319 --> 03:06:25,920
by the name of Parkstone Circle. Uh it's

4193
03:06:25,920 --> 03:06:28,240
located on the map.

4194
03:06:28,240 --> 03:06:31,680
>> Is there a second that?

4195
03:06:31,680 --> 03:06:33,600
>> I said I will second that.

4196
03:06:33,600 --> 03:06:35,520
>> Okay. Any further discussion? All those

4197
03:06:35,520 --> 03:06:38,160
in favor say I. I.

4198
03:06:38,160 --> 03:06:41,120
I'll vote to post. I didn't hear you.

4199
03:06:41,120 --> 03:06:43,760
Oh, you said I Okay, thank you.

4200
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:50,000
>> All right. Um, next meeting. Um,

4201
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:52,479
>> more items

4202
03:06:52,479 --> 03:06:54,000
holding task force.

4203
03:06:54,000 --> 03:06:55,680
>> No, that's the next meeting.

4204
03:06:55,680 --> 03:06:57,200
>> Oh, okay.

4205
03:06:57,200 --> 03:06:59,359
>> Roger.

4206
03:06:59,359 --> 03:07:02,000
>> The housing task force is coming with uh

4207
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:04,800
Bonnie from BLCT to talk about the chip

4208
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:06,800
strategy. So, we are going to need some

4209
03:07:06,800 --> 03:07:09,359
extra time there. You're going to have

4210
03:07:09,359 --> 03:07:13,680
two committees probably or two draft

4211
03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:16,800
budgets for us to look at. The better

4212
03:07:16,800 --> 03:07:20,319
connections final recommendations.

4213
03:07:20,319 --> 03:07:22,560
It it says an adoption. I'm not sure

4214
03:07:22,560 --> 03:07:25,520
that I got to find out what they're if

4215
03:07:25,520 --> 03:07:28,000
there's any action required by us or if

4216
03:07:28,000 --> 03:07:30,000
they're just going to project present

4217
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:31,760
the final report. Okay.

4218
03:07:31,760 --> 03:07:33,200
>> Which is what you already have. But

4219
03:07:33,200 --> 03:07:34,240
that's the one.

4220
03:07:34,240 --> 03:07:35,840
>> Yeah. I just got to find out what

4221
03:07:35,840 --> 03:07:38,560
Duncan's got in mind here. Uh I just

4222
03:07:38,560 --> 03:07:39,359
want to

4223
03:07:39,359 --> 03:07:43,680
>> confirm it and secrete commission and

4224
03:07:43,680 --> 03:07:46,800
the housing task force.

4225
03:07:46,800 --> 03:07:49,680
Um Gracie may be at a conference. We're

4226
03:07:49,680 --> 03:07:51,760
trying to figure out if she can be in

4227
03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:55,840
person or if she's on Zoom. So um more

4228
03:07:55,840 --> 03:07:58,000
to come on that. I'll probably be in

4229
03:07:58,000 --> 03:07:58,960
person.

4230
03:07:58,960 --> 03:08:01,920
>> You're just amazing.

4231
03:08:01,920 --> 03:08:04,000
Uh, she likes to drive as far as I can

4232
03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:08,389
speak. She came all the way from Idaho.

4233
03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:09,279
» We'll see.

4234
03:08:09,279 --> 03:08:10,800
>> Anything else?

4235
03:08:10,800 --> 03:08:12,800
>> Just a note that Wes will be sitting in

4236
03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:15,120
for me taking minutes at that meeting. I

4237
03:08:15,120 --> 03:08:18,399
will be in Ireland celebrating my 50th

4238
03:08:18,399 --> 03:08:20,189
birthday.

4239
03:08:20,189 --> 03:08:24,070
[clears throat]

4240
03:08:24,080 --> 03:08:27,520
» Uh, I do have one more. Um September

4241
03:08:27,520 --> 03:08:30,880
23rd is our open house for our welcome

4242
03:08:30,880 --> 03:08:34,880
for Gracie Wes. I see you there. Yeah,

4243
03:08:34,880 --> 03:08:38,160
Wes. Um we hope you'll be able to attend

4244
03:08:38,160 --> 03:08:41,040
that and um it'd be great if Myra could

4245
03:08:41,040 --> 03:08:43,760
be there as well. Others

4246
03:08:43,760 --> 03:08:51,840
um it's here 4:30 to 6. Thank you. And

4247
03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:54,560
uh great time to have conversation with

4248
03:08:54,560 --> 03:08:56,880
our some new key players in our

4249
03:08:56,880 --> 03:08:59,439
community.

4250
03:08:59,439 --> 03:09:02,640
>> All right. Um that's Wednesday,

4251
03:09:02,640 --> 03:09:05,200
September 29. Okay. There's something

4252
03:09:05,200 --> 03:09:07,920
else that just came in. All right.

4253
03:09:07,920 --> 03:09:11,359
Anything else? Uh motion to adjurnn to

4254
03:09:11,359 --> 03:09:14,080
move.

4255
03:09:14,080 --> 03:09:17,359
>> All right. All those in favor said I

4256
03:09:17,359 --> 03:09:20,600
>> Thank you.