1 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Are we all set? I just got settled. Now I got to get up 2 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:38,639 again. >> Are you ready? Tell me when you're 3 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:43,840 ready. >> All right. I'm calling the special 4 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:49,280 August 31st meeting of the RTM to order. If you all stand up and follow the town 5 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:54,479 clerk in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 6 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:59,680 America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 7 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:02,919 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 8 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,880 » Thank you. Clerk will call the role. 9 00:06:07,199 --> 00:06:10,720 » Miss Agman Bosa >> here. 10 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,319 » Mr. Bartelli >> here. 11 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,000 » Miss Bennett >> here. 12 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,919 » Mr. Bade >> here. 13 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:20,080 » Mr. Caukins >> here. Miss Casper, 14 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,160 Miss Childs >> here, 15 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:24,319 » Mr. Condan >> here, 16 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:26,160 » Miss Driscoll >> here, 17 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,160 » Miss Elbomb >> here, 18 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,680 » Mr. Fiorante >> here, 19 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:31,440 » Miss Franklin >> here, 20 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,199 » Mr. Goldstein >> here, 21 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,720 » Mr. Go >> here, 22 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,240 » Miss Gonzalez >> here, 23 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:38,240 » Miss Green >> here. 24 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:41,520 » Miss Hogerty >> here. 25 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:44,080 » Miss Khan, Miss McKenzie, 26 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:47,680 » I'm here. >> Thank you. Miss Morris Head 27 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:51,000 » here. >> Miss Mullen, 28 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,639 » Miss Mullen Cole >> here. 29 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,800 » Mr. Olinsu >> here. 30 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:58,639 » Miss Pellet >> here. 31 00:06:57,199 --> 00:07:01,520 » Miss Stewart Gelinus >> here. 32 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:03,360 » Mr. Sigru. >> Mr. Sullivan 33 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,599 » here. >> Miss Watson Jones 34 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:11,759 » here. >> We have a quorum. 35 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:15,680 » All right. Thank you. Moving on. Uh correspondence. 36 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Uh you all got everything emailed and I believe the clerk was putting out hard 37 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:24,319 copies tonight. So the only correspondence we have for this special 38 00:07:20,479 --> 00:07:30,319 meeting is uh the two requests from Director Allen and Director Haley asking 39 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:36,080 us to have the special meeting and a copy of the letters sent by 40 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:39,599 Representative Condan to the finance director, the Oswagawagi 41 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Fire Station building committee chair and attorney Keell and me regarding his 42 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:54,199 concerns about a proposal in the sub building committee. Um, that's it. 43 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:03,120 » No, we're not. Um, and 44 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:09,800 moving on to public comment. Is there any public comment? Is Yes, Helen. 45 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:19,170 I don't need to recite the rules of public comment to you, do I? 46 00:08:17,150 --> 00:08:19,170 » [laughter] 47 00:08:38,479 --> 00:08:45,320 » Hi, my name is Helen Quisnooki. Uh, 48 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:54,080 we're here about another town building that needs a roof replacement. Again, my 49 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:58,959 questions as well as should be yours. One, we also need to replace the town 50 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:05,839 library roof that's leaking since December 2025, 51 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:12,080 which went through two major snowstorm. One that dumped about 24 ines of snow, 52 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:16,399 as well as numerous rainstorms. Some of them were heavy and tomorrow is going to 53 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:22,880 be another heavy day. This roof is scheduled projected to be 54 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:26,959 done in 2030, four years from now. Oh my gosh. 55 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:31,920 Two, the town expects the library to cough up some money. How much is Goan 56 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:40,240 Firehouse putting in? Remember they just had Fisman fireman's day which made 57 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:43,920 money? Three, we have public works that is supposed to be checking town 58 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:51,920 buildings so that we can nip these issues in the bud. Sounds like to me 59 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:56,480 that his her they did not do their job seriously. 60 00:09:54,399 --> 00:10:01,440 Maybe it is time to start looking into this department. People should stop 61 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:05,839 being responsible. four. Once again, the taxpayers is 62 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:10,080 getting the shaft. It's about time to get away from flat 63 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:16,399 roofs. I hope that you all look into this 64 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:19,640 request before you all start saying yes. Thank you. 65 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:27,160 » Thank you. Helen, did you want to give us a written copy 66 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,160 or 67 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,160 Sorry. 68 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:14,560 What's that? Any other public comment? 69 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:19,839 Any other public comment? Any other public comment? All right. 70 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:23,839 Hearing none, we'll move on to the call. Uh first up 71 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:28,640 to consider and act upon a recommendation from the board of finance 72 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:33,480 to move $178,000 from designated line number 20523-57888 73 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:42,120 uh CNR go roof replacement to appropriated line 20523-57888 74 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:51,600 CNR go roof replacement to begin work on a capital project approved May in May 75 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:57,640 24. Do we have a motion? >> Second. Motion and a second. Um, 76 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,640 presentation. 77 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:04,920 » There was a question mark after that word. Sorry. 78 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,920 Yeah. 79 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:10,079 » Well, it it it seemed >> Good evening, everyone. Thank you for uh 80 00:12:08,399 --> 00:12:13,120 thank you for responding to our request to hold the special meeting. I know it's 81 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:18,639 uh not always the most convenient thing to get everyone in, so I I appreciate 82 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:23,040 that very much. Um, as the uh moderator stated, it was this is the continuation 83 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:30,399 of a uh CNR capital project that was brought up uh I believe in 2024 prior to 84 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:35,040 my arrival. Um, this uh a quick summary of it initially that was taken on the uh 85 00:12:33,279 --> 00:12:41,680 replacement of one of the three flat roof sections of the Goan firehouse. Um 86 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:46,160 at that time uh I believe from the uh large amount of documentation that I I 87 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:50,800 went through um provided courtesy of the the members of goan and and Tom Denbeck 88 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:54,800 had assembled quite a uh dossier on the roof project. He had submitted a letter 89 00:12:52,560 --> 00:13:00,399 to the RTM and to I believe the board of selectman in March of 2025 requesting 90 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:04,880 that the project be all three flat roofs in one to avoid uh tripling the setup 91 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:11,040 and transportation fees. So that's what this is. Um the bidsp spec before you uh 92 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:15,839 was prepared through um the town's purchasing office in partnership with 93 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:20,480 Trimco Roofing. Uh they're the uh the town's roofing I guess subject matter 94 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:27,600 expert uh that you would call them on call and uh this is to replace and uh 95 00:13:24,959 --> 00:13:32,480 replace the all three flat roofs in one fell shot. Um there's a number of 96 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:36,480 specifications attached to it that was submitted as part of the backup. I am no 97 00:13:34,639 --> 00:13:42,880 roofer, but I have learned a lot about roofs through some of our expert help. 98 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:48,160 So, I may be able to provide some backup uh and uh context, but bear with me if I 99 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:53,040 don't know the most technical aspects of the materials and whatnot, but I uh I 100 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:56,240 can give you a surface level uh layman's summary of it. It's a good quality 101 00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:00,399 product. It's not the It's certainly not the cheapest possible roof out there. I 102 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:07,040 think um what what we're replacing may have been um and this isn't a uh it's a 103 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:12,959 modified bumen roof, not the traditional builtup roof as they once were known as. 104 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:16,320 Uh it's a uh very high quality high quality material. One of the most 105 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:19,120 interesting things in throughout the course of this is that we haven't been 106 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:25,040 able to find too much information about said roofs. Um, but this one will have a 107 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:28,399 microchip buried in it that um, any of us that may or may not be here in the 108 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,639 future when this roof needs to be replaced. Whoever gets the job can come 109 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:36,160 over, scan said hidden microchip in it, and know when it was installed, what 110 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:39,839 it's made of, how it was constructed, uh, when it got put down, and have all 111 00:14:37,839 --> 00:14:43,839 that information buried into the bedding of the roof, so we don't have to, uh, 112 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,519 try and piece together the information again. So that's my 113 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,920 » wow >> rant, not presentation. Just a rant. 114 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:54,880 Presentations come with slides, but I'm open to any questions. Thank you again 115 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,079 all for convening tonight. >> There you go. Thank you. Uh and I only 116 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:02,240 use the phrase presentation because it's any less threatening than would you care 117 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:07,040 to take a seat so we can ask you questions. 118 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:10,959 » Thank you. So, uh any questions and comments? 119 00:15:09,279 --> 00:15:14,880 » Representative Franklin. >> I have a question. 120 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:20,480 » Oh, Kate, you'll be second. Hi. Um, thank you for your your 121 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:24,240 presentation. Um, I was I was curious if you know and [snorts] maybe somebody 122 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:28,360 else here could answer when the last time the roof was replaced. 123 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:38,000 » A resounding no. Uh, yeah, the uh information uh we that we were provided, 124 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:42,160 we can't put an actual date on it. Um, but like I said, that's what we're 125 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:47,440 hoping to avoid having to do by burying that RF microchip in there and making 126 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:51,519 sure that uh hopefully our future descendants don't have to try and piece 127 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:53,920 it together in the background. >> Yeah. And can I ask a followup? 128 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:59,120 » Yes. >> Um, has has there been a history of a 129 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:01,600 lot of like patchwork and repair on the roof over the last few years if if you 130 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,519 know. >> Uh, yeah. I believe that that's why it 131 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:10,399 was that's why it was brought forward uh two years ago to begin the process of re 132 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:15,519 of replacing it. Um there's uh there's been a number of of repairs and leak 133 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:20,480 leak repairs throughout the past couple years. Um TMCO uh from the past year 134 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,639 that I've been here, TMCO has has been out there for that roof specifically and 135 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:29,519 they and they've uh done some some repair work on it throughout. Um but 136 00:16:27,199 --> 00:16:33,600 apparently prior to me there was a you know a long string of history associated 137 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:39,519 with the roof based on the large amount of material that um uh member Dembeck 138 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:43,360 had um had compiled over the years. >> Right. Thank you very much. 139 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:46,240 » Y Representative McKenzie, 140 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:52,880 » you're up. Kate >> through you, Madam Moderator. Um, Chief, 141 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:59,519 I see a what I might think of as a duplicative fee on each of the roofs. 142 00:16:56,959 --> 00:17:07,360 There's a $9,300 fee for setup, safety, and equipment. 143 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:13,280 They're billing us $9,300 for setting up safety and equipment for 144 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:18,319 each roof. If we're trying to package it all, can we get that down to one fee or 145 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:22,520 why are we paying that each time if they're already there? Thank you. 146 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:28,160 » Uh, if you can hear me over the phone, do you happen to have a page number that 147 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:33,360 I can flip and refer to? >> Actually, I know the answer. 148 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:39,919 » Looks like 14. Uh, sorry, it's going to be 149 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:44,880 starting at 13, I believe. 14 and 15. It's the Imperial Company letterhead. It 150 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,679 has the three roof breakouts. >> Yeah. 151 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:52,880 » On individual pages. Looks like it starts 152 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:58,400 page 12. >> Director Haley, I can explain that. 153 00:17:55,679 --> 00:18:05,039 » 12, 13, and 14. Roughly, it's roof one breakout, roof two breakout, and roof 154 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:11,440 three breakout. And on the bottom of each one of those quotes for the three 155 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:18,320 roofs, it says, "Add $9,300 for site setup, safety, and equipment." 156 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:21,840 And that's on each roof. So, I'm just curious, 157 00:18:19,679 --> 00:18:25,600 » represent trying to consolidate and do it all at once. Thank you. 158 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:30,720 » Thank you, Representative McKenzie. I'm taking pity on Director Haley because 159 00:18:27,679 --> 00:18:35,760 that is a document from before his time. Um but I do know what you are 160 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:40,640 referencing that that was in the backup uh from the budget we were presented 161 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:47,200 last spring which was prepared the winter before that the year before that. 162 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:52,880 That is a much earlier quote from Imperial. There are actually buried in 163 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:58,320 there three quotes from 2024 and 2025 and then 2026. the one you're looking 164 00:18:55,360 --> 00:19:02,799 at, the 2025 with the 9300. Um, 165 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:07,840 that is not the quote that was approved. And actually, I I did the math on that 166 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:13,760 and they were only in the end on that quote going to charge us one single 167 00:19:09,919 --> 00:19:17,039 $9,300 fee back then, >> but it's very good. 168 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:22,080 » It's somewhat moot at this point because now we have a different bid. 169 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,720 » All right. I appreciate that, madam moderator, and thank you for the 170 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:28,880 clarification. >> Thank you for reading all the backup to 171 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:33,360 the end. >> You're welcome. 172 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:38,559 » I app I applaud that greatly. Thank you, Sue, because moderator Driscoll because 173 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:42,400 I uh I quickly became very confused and then if you look it for everyone's 174 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:46,320 context, the the section that they're talking about was from then the CNR was 175 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:51,360 initially brought up dated at the very top uh 116 2025. So I believe that's 176 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:56,240 what they were referring to. Avoid the three setup fees. Um the one you should 177 00:19:53,919 --> 00:20:01,200 be or the one that is in question tonight before you is uh my 178 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,280 correspondence 72326. Thank you. 179 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:07,200 » Yeah, that was it. That is the problem. But it 180 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:10,559 does show the history of just >> Yeah. 181 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:16,720 » how many times this has been bumped around. All right, 182 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:23,360 Representative Childs. through you madam moderator. Um so I 183 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:29,919 found hi I found um in the 2425 fiscal year request um for a capital project um 184 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:35,760 it was from um the director before you he had mentioned in his description that 185 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:40,799 um not only the twothirds of the flat roofing but onethird of the pitched roof 186 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:44,080 needed to be replaced. Did you when you were looking through kind of the records 187 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,919 to see what might have been done, did you see anything about the pitched roof 188 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:53,280 being addressed? >> Uh, no. The I also spoke to TMCO as well 189 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,960 uh when they rebid this and and when they were out to create uh that package 190 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,360 initially. Yeah. >> Um no, there was never anything included 191 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:05,679 in any of the initial scopes about the pitched roof. 192 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:09,440 » Okay. Um, I spoke to I spoke to the luckily the the the person who wrote 193 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:14,640 this one that was just quoted referred to from 2024 still still there, still 194 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:19,360 employed, still our um uh representative. Uh, I spoke to him uh 195 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:24,559 over the weekend again just to confirm that and and so far no one has been able 196 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:28,559 to uh identify a solid answer on how old the uh the roof the pitched roof portion 197 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:34,000 is. Okay. But um he's been out to the site twice uh to write this initially 198 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:38,640 and then to update it um with a little bit better materials and things the 199 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:42,720 second time around. Um and he's he strongly believes that that because 200 00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:46,880 there's a sloped uh portion on the the pitched roof, it's a it's a hip and 201 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:51,679 sloped roof that there there's some life still left in the shingle roof right 202 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:55,760 now. Um I to quote the technical assessment that he gave me over the 203 00:21:53,120 --> 00:22:01,440 phone. uh it has not experienced blowoff or tear out or cracking at this point um 204 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:05,440 and uh feels that there's there's um life left in the shingled portion, but 205 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,679 no, so far no one has been able to >> find any paperwork that says how old 206 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,400 that is. >> Excellent. Thank you. 207 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:19,440 » Any other questions for Representative Bennett? 208 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:23,039 » Through you, Madam Moderator. Um I have a quick question. Um thanks for sharing 209 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:26,000 the info first on the tracking chip. I feel like that is something that's uh 210 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:29,200 pretty interesting to know that that can happen. It reminds me of like when you 211 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,640 put it in your dog and they scan the dog to find out where it goes. It's it's 212 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:35,520 amazing how much technology can really impact and make our lives easier. 213 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,760 Hopefully it works by [laughter] the time the room is done. Um when it comes 214 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:42,799 to this new material that they're um that they're per that they're get 215 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:47,039 telling us to use instead of the like you said the cheapest material. Do you 216 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:52,480 have any idea on the longet like how many years it is supposed to last? Uh 217 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,440 yeah, the it comes with your, you know, your standard commercial 20-year. I 218 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,159 shouldn't say standard because some of the other work roof work that may have 219 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:01,760 gotten done in the past may not have come with the standard warranty. Uh but 220 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:07,600 it would come with what's considered a uh indust industry industry standard 221 00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:12,960 20-year warranty. Um uh the installer themselves, bumperto bumper, two years. 222 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:16,799 Uh, and TMCO being that that we work with them, uh, TMCO is a national 223 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:20,000 roofing supplier, uh, and they have a number of contractors that are 224 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:23,280 installers for them. But they, um, they would come out prior to that two-year 225 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:26,559 bumper-to-bumper, if you will, expiring, and do an assessment on our behalf to 226 00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:31,120 make sure that that the installation was done properly, uh, was all done up to 227 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:35,760 spec, and then they TMCO would provide a number of ongoing, um, ongoing 228 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,480 assessments throughout. uh you know, kind of like if you want the warranty on 229 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:42,000 your Honda to keep up, you got to do the oil changes and air filters when Honda 230 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:47,919 tells you. Um they would come out and do those ongoing inspections for us. And um 231 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:52,960 all all things all things kosher would go through um at 20 years, we'd be able 232 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,880 to refresh the roof instead instead of replace it. They'd be able to strip the 233 00:23:54,320 --> 00:24:00,240 top layer off, reskin it. This is a two- layer roof. You have a heavy duty base 234 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:04,960 layer uh and then a product that's called Endura 100. Um it's not the 235 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:08,080 Cadillac top end, but it's not It's not the stuff that you have to tear off and 236 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:12,320 throw away. So, you'd be able to redeck the roof for another another 20 years of 237 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,720 service at the end of the initial 20 years 238 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:16,799 » for much less than what we have to do to put it together. 239 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:21,440 » Correct. It becomes what they refer to as a roof restoration at that point. Um, 240 00:24:19,679 --> 00:24:24,080 by by putting in the the two-layer system, you're able to protect. They're 241 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,440 going to replace any of the wet insulation that's under there right now. 242 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:32,559 Tear that off, replace all the anything that's compromised right now. Um, but 243 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,760 uh, you know, nothing is obviously bulletproof. uh you know, hurricane 244 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,640 damage, things like that that may or may not be end up being, you know, taking 245 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:43,279 the road of an insurance type thing. But, uh, 246 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:46,159 all things included and all things by design would be able to get a 20-year 247 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:50,480 service life out of it and then be restored for another 20 year service 248 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:54,880 life after this. And then at that point, you re remove, you know, down to the 249 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,640 deck and replace the roof system as a whole. 250 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,799 » To the best of my knowledge, based off of 251 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,840 » Yeah. And who knows what products are going to be available in 20 years. It 252 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,720 could be a 40-year roof at that point. Um, when it comes to those maintenance 253 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,120 items that you just discussed, is that something that's included in the price 254 00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:11,919 that's here or is that something that we would have to come up with? 255 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,840 » It's included as part of the package. >> Oh, okay. 256 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,679 » That makes me feel better. All right. Thank you so much. 257 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:22,240 » Thank you. >> Okay. Any other questions? 258 00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:27,760 » Oh, Representative Elbow. >> Hello. I did have a quick question. I 259 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:34,720 work in a building that has flat roofs as well. Birds are a big concern because 260 00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:41,760 love to drop things and then peck. Causes a lot of leaks and 261 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:45,520 birds like to peck at the roots and cause of course going through and 262 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:51,760 penetrates through and cause a lot of leaks. Um is there going to be anything 263 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:57,279 put up to deter birds perhaps? So that can help deter 264 00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:01,919 early issues maybe. >> Hasn't come up. Uh, 265 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:07,360 » just a little POA, you know, that might be something interesting. So, 266 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:12,159 » I would uh I I I would look into one of those plastic owls. 267 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:15,919 » I'd even provide it myself if it if it keeps the roof to get intact. I would 268 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:20,960 look into it. But yeah, I mean >> I I'll I honestly I will I I'll call 269 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,440 TMCO and ask, you know, is bird deterrent, you know, something in the 270 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,559 roofing industry. >> It sounds funny, but 271 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:30,000 » No, I listen especially being near the shore. I mean, I can only imagine that 272 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:33,200 the occasional clam gets dropped >> uh dropped and it misses the parking lot 273 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,120 and hits the roof. So, I totally understand it. 274 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:40,400 » Thank you. >> Yep. 275 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:44,960 » All right. Any other questions? Any other 276 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:49,360 uh and Representative Valencu? Sorry, 277 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:54,080 Steve. I saw him first. You're next. uh through you madam or under uh Chris I 278 00:26:51,760 --> 00:27:00,559 just want to thank you for your work so far as a director of fire services uh 279 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:05,073 for many years the the issues of the needs of the various other four 280 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:09,600 firehouses of ostaging have [clears throat] needed attention and I 281 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:13,520 think you promised to me when you first got hired that you would address these 282 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:20,559 issues of the other firehouses and you have done so adimately so far. I just 283 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:24,720 want to thank you for uh really doing a great job uh taking care of our other 284 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:30,080 firehouses. Uh and that's it. Thank you. 285 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:36,600 » I appreciate that. Thank you. >> Thank you, Representative Bizade. 286 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,600 » Who owns the firehouse? 287 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:44,240 » Who holds title to the firehouse? Is it goant like a private company like Algaji 288 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:51,360 was or does the town of Waterford own it? uh private association. 289 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:56,720 » Okay. The town is obligated to put a roof on this private property. 290 00:27:54,480 --> 00:28:02,480 » Uh the the building the building maintenance services are are 291 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:06,640 historically u part of a ongoing uh agreement that was agreements that were 292 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:12,399 signed with each individual association. Uh I believe in the 70s. 293 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:19,039 have to defer to someone that 1974 um and you that were signed in 294 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:23,600 partnership um to protect both both parties in in uh both parties interests 295 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:29,120 in the properties I believe to avoid them uh becoming subject to mortgage for 296 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:33,679 improvement that it was if um that the town would would support building 297 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:37,440 building upkeep and building repairs uh to avoid the associations having I guess 298 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,720 put them under mortgage and at that time the uh to the best of my understanding 299 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:46,960 then at that time the town would lose its its interest in a um you know a 300 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:50,799 public safety infrastructure asset. So I believe that's how those agreements were 301 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:54,960 initially reached but I would I'm I'm waiting into waters that are long before 302 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:59,840 my time here uh just taking off the surface level. 303 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:04,520 » Will the town buy that property like they did Owagi you think down the road? 304 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:12,159 I >> or it will it always be private? And if 305 00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:17,120 it is private, do they make any kind of contribution to this expense of putting 306 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:23,279 a roof on it or any other expensive HVAC, doors, whatever? 307 00:29:20,159 --> 00:29:29,200 » Uh it's it's it's nothing that I've explored. Um but historically, I believe 308 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,840 the agreements were, you know, everything was through funded through 309 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:36,880 the town to the best of my knowledge that I've put together. Um, 310 00:29:34,415 --> 00:29:40,320 [clears throat] uh, so I I I wouldn't I wouldn't know. I'd be I wouldn't want to 311 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:43,120 speak out of turn on something that I don't know about what had gone on in the 312 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,679 past, but I believe that >> understand 313 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,240 » everything has gone through uh through town funds. 314 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:53,600 » I'm totally in favor of putting a roof on a firehouse to protect the apparatus 315 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:59,200 and and the investment, but I'm not a big fan of putting a roof on my 316 00:29:55,679 --> 00:30:02,640 neighbor's house, if you follow me. So, someday we're going to own it. as 317 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:08,640 part of the investment of buying the property. Um, 318 00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:12,799 just curious. I mean, the alagotchi was private for my whole life and now the 319 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,760 town owns it and big things are happening there. I didn't know if there 320 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:21,760 was plans for that down the road as well. Um, I I would say, you know, in 321 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,640 the in the uh in the broader context, I if if that was a case of, you know, we 322 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,399 would definitely want to be approving the roof either way, like you said, to 323 00:30:26,159 --> 00:30:33,840 protect your investment. Um, if if that's something that the town wishes to 324 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:39,360 pursue, uh, far beyond my purview right now is today. Um, but I 325 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,240 agree with you that that putting the roof on would be a sound investment for 326 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:46,559 the future. The [clears throat] other concern I have, and it was addressed a 327 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:51,279 little bit earlier, was um the the shingled part of the roof, 328 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:56,240 if it only has x amount of years, and you said nobody can really come up with, 329 00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:00,320 should it be all done at one time? Because if they're going to replace that 330 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,840 down the road, the flat roof's going to take a beating with the debris that they 331 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,360 pull off. I would assume they're going to strip it and replace plywood or 332 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:10,559 whatever needs to be done. Um, 333 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:14,000 » how much more, if this company even does that type of 334 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:19,039 roofing, how much more would it cost just to do it all and let it be done for 335 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,919 a number of years? >> One of the uh one of the challenges is 336 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:25,279 that the project was already established. So, I just followed the the 337 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:30,080 existing scope so we didn't have to expand the scope out again and bring 338 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:33,600 this back um you know further years down the road. And and with that uh one of 339 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:38,000 the reasons that the next item is the bid wa is the uh not the bid waiver the 340 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,120 uh the waiting period the 15-day waiting 341 00:31:39,679 --> 00:31:44,720 period to waiver it is to try to get moving before the winter so we're not 342 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:49,360 we're not subject to another winter of >> it's all good all good what everything 343 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:55,200 you're doing is good it's just u you know I'm in that field where do you just 344 00:31:52,159 --> 00:32:00,159 put a band-aid on whatever is there or should it be top down selling just 345 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:04,640 replace it all and be done with it? How much more would it cost? It's not going 346 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:09,039 to get any cheaper down the road. And if we're spending all 347 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:13,440 this money on a flat roof with this fancy 348 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:19,279 migraine chip thing, we certainly don't want to damage it without having to 349 00:32:15,679 --> 00:32:26,320 replace 5 10 years down the road. You know, it I'm just thinking out loud. 350 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:30,080 » Um [clears throat] I I I had to advance the uh the scope of the project that 351 00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:36,240 existed. Um, like I said, we we did touch base and they said that that they 352 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:39,600 see life left in that. Um, and uh, at this time he said he he couldn't give an 353 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,960 accurate recommendation on replacing it other than that that he believes that 354 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:47,519 there's life left in the aphalt shingles. Um, no one, like I said, no 355 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:53,120 one has been able to identify the current age of it, but um, I think it is 356 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:59,519 it is advisable to try and get at least all three of the flats done uh, prior to 357 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:04,480 another winter. and um and then explore that uh in the next coming five-year 358 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:08,159 capital requests. Normally, I believe we're putting out a five-year window for 359 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:13,679 capital requests. So, to be able to find room in there to continue that that 360 00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:17,600 portion of it if so uh if so possible so we don't wait until something is failed 361 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,559 and leaking. We can try and get ahead of it and get it on the radar at least now 362 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,480 and start looking at it while we have some time to plan out and things. and 363 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:29,039 hopefully this is um one of the last ones that we're chasing uh late. So I I 364 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:32,720 I totally hear and understand your sentiments on on everything you stated. 365 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,559 Um and I think that we're we're attempting to become, you know, to take 366 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,720 a more responsible approach and a little bit more forward-looking approach to all 367 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:44,399 these things. Um so I I totally agree with with every one of your sentiments 368 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,000 on it. So >> thank you for your time. 369 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:49,279 » Thank you. >> Appreciate you. 370 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:54,960 » Thank you. Thank you. Was that any other questions? 371 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:59,200 Representative Condan. >> Uh through you, Madam Modiator. 372 00:33:57,679 --> 00:34:02,399 Uh Chris had did you talk to uh I'm just 373 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:07,919 looking at the pictures is the first time I'm seeing the plans. Did you talk 374 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:14,240 to uh HVAC Tech to get a price to move those uh units on the roof? 375 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:21,119 Is that included? I see in their their uh construction notes that it's up to us 376 00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:24,159 to uh disconnect and reconnect. Um which obviously we would want to approve this, 377 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:27,119 but I don't want your budget to take a ding. I know this project predates you, 378 00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:31,040 so if you had to come back for more money at a later date, I just didn't 379 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:36,079 know if this was uh I don't see any evidence that it was included. Well, one 380 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:39,440 of the nice things is that that another um 381 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:44,320 another step forward we took on the buildings this year was to um work to 382 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:48,639 get preventative maintenance contracts uh on various different services that 383 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:53,359 didn't exist before. Uh one of those is that we were able to partner with MCOR 384 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:56,720 who already has uh you know a bulk of or is working towards a bulk of the 385 00:34:54,639 --> 00:35:02,960 projects um and the HVAC systems in town. Uh so we signed on an agreement um 386 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:07,760 with them to provide dual services uh spring and fall turns and turnoffs and 387 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,760 pre or post uh heating and cooling seasons. So in the event we had to 388 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,040 relocate or or disconnect something or or you know if we had to drain a system 389 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:19,359 to move something around based on what TMCO needs to do for penetrations. Um 390 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,160 you know right now we don't know is there failed insulation around some of 391 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,720 those things that might have to we have to redeck a section or whatnot. Luckily, 392 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:32,240 we we now have MCORE at our disposal on call uh signed on a on a service 393 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:35,440 agreement um for all the stations uh for everywhere now. So, every every station 394 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:39,440 will be getting not only that preventative maintenance, but it it 395 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,160 gives us a little bit more of um it's kind of like if you have a service 396 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,800 agreement with your oil guy, right? >> You get kind of a little bit more 397 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:48,720 preferential treatment when you need them. So luckily we have them at our 398 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:52,160 disposal in the event that we have to significantly relocate something or or 399 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,280 maybe drain the you know the refrigerant out of a system or something to move it. 400 00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:58,880 » Yeah, that was my question because this just says that they have to lift these 401 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:05,680 at a minimum 8 inches of clearance to a roof underneath it. But the the cost is 402 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:08,240 to us not not to but as long as we have somebody 403 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:13,200 » Yeah. I mean there there' obviously be you know a cost but it wouldn't have to 404 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:17,119 be a uh you know a furtherance of a capital project. 405 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,560 I say that quickly. I knock as quickly as I can, but hopefully it would just be 406 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,520 uh there's enough slack in the line sets to be able to lift it. But if they had 407 00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:27,760 to redeck a portion of it under something like that, I'm sure MCOR would 408 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,160 uh would have the tools and people to do it. 409 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:36,240 » Perfect. Thank you. >> Thank you. 410 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:42,880 » Okay. Any other questions? Any other questions? 411 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:49,560 Any other questions? All right, hearing them. I think we're ready for a vote. 412 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,560 Roll call. 413 00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,325 Roll call. [snorts] 414 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,960 » You want to repeat the motion? 415 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,680 » Sure. The last meeting couldn't remember if I had to repeat the motion. 416 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:18,160 The motioning for all of us who have forgotten is to move $178,000 417 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:24,839 from designated line number 2052357888 CNR Goian roof replacement to 418 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:24,839 appropriated line 20523-57888 419 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:33,920 CNR go roof replacement to begin work on the capital project approved May 2024. 420 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,240 So call the role 421 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:45,440 A yes is to approve. Miss Agman Bosa. >> Yes. 422 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:48,079 » Mr. [clears throat] Bartelli. >> Yes. 423 00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,320 » Miss Bennett. >> Yes. 424 00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,480 » Mr. Bade. >> Yes. 425 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,359 » Mr. Caukins. >> Yes. 426 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,839 » Miss Childs. >> Yes. 427 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,440 » Mr. [clears throat] Condan. >> Yes. 428 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,359 » Miss Driscoll. >> Yes. 429 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:03,200 » Miss Elbomb. >> Yes. 430 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,040 » Mr. Fioranti. >> Yes. 431 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,280 » Miss Franklin. >> Yes. 432 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,520 Mr. Goldstein, >> yes. 433 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,599 » Mr. Go, >> yes. 434 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:14,480 » Miss Gonzalez, >> yes. 435 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:17,200 » Miss Green, >> yes. 436 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,520 » Miss Hogerty, >> yes. 437 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,320 » Miss McKenzie, >> yes. 438 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,720 » Miss Morris Head, >> yes. 439 00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:30,079 » Miss Mullen Cole, >> yes. 440 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:32,320 » Mr. Olinsu, >> Miss Pellet, 441 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:38,119 » yes. >> Miss Stewart Galinus, 442 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,119 » yes. Mr. Sullivan, 443 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,440 » Miss Watson Jones, >> yes. 444 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,839 » Motion passes. Thank you all very much. 445 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,359 » Thank you. >> Much appreciated. 446 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:54,160 » And despite your disclaimer, you sounded like you were an expert on roofing by 447 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:57,680 the time you got into it. Gary, don't say that too loud. Gary will 448 00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:00,720 come find me. >> Well, we're all going to call Gary and 449 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:05,920 ask him why we can't get microchips in every building. 450 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:10,960 Uh, next on the agenda to consider an act upon the previous motion as 451 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:14,560 emergency legislation waving the 15-day waiting period in order to have the 452 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:19,440 project completed before harsh weather conditions delay work until next year. 453 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,440 Do we have a motion? >> Second 454 00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:30,800 steward. I'm very proud I don't usually catch them both. 455 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:34,760 All right. Uh, any questions? Any discussion? Any 456 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:43,599 questions? Any discussion? Any 457 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:50,880 questions? Uh, hearing none. Are we okay with a 458 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:56,320 with a voice vote on this one? All right. 459 00:39:53,440 --> 00:40:02,320 So, we're going to do a voice vote on declaring this emergency legislation to 460 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:09,240 wave the 15-day waiting period. Huh? I means you agree. 461 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,240 How's that? 462 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:15,040 » You want to call for the vote? All in favor? 463 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,560 » I >> opposed. 464 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,560 » Abstain 465 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:28,320 hearing. None. Eyes have it. Motion passes. All right. Thank you all very 466 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:31,040 much. Uh I'll enter a motion to adjurnn. Second. 467 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:35,079 Thank you all again. >> Thank you. 468 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:35,079 » Thank you, Chris 469 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,800 of a German. I opposed.