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Okay. Good morning, everyone. I'm going to welcome everyone to

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our 1st 2026 Standing Committee Day. And our first day

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back under the sustainability, Infrastructure and Development committee. On January

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13. Oh, my goodness, it's the 13th already. I would

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like to acknowledge that the land in which we gather

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today is a traditional territory of the Haudenosaunee, the

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Anishnawbe and the Chonnonton peoples, we recognize the enduring presence

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of indigenous peoples on this land, and we honor their

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historic and ongoing contributions to our community. We honor the

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land, the water that sustains us, the air we breathe.

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And the mother earth, who provides for all living beings.

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As we move on these lands, may we? Do so

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with respect, recognizing the deep cultural and spiritual connections indigenous

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people have to this region. I would also like to

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acknowledge. Some days of significance. This month, January 4, was

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National Ribbon Shirt day, honoring the ribbon shirt as centuries

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old indigenous symbol of identity, adaptation and resilience for indigenous

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women, girls and gender diverse people. January 14 to 17th

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marks Taipongol, which is a multiday tamil harvest festival celebrated

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by tamil communities worldwide, traditionally observed as a time of

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gratitude and agricultural abundance. And leading up to January 29.

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The Green Square campaign symbolizes the remembrance and solidarity. The

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green square represents the mosques carpet where victims last stood

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to pray. By wearing a green square we stand in

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support of survivors, reject Islamophobia and commit to. Fostering a

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community where everyone feels safe and valued. I would now

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like to entertain a motion to enter closed session. Oh,

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yes. We didn't. Do roll call. How dare. Is that

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okay? I'm going to ask you to do the roll.

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Regional chair Redmond. Present we have. Regrets. From Councilor Craig,

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Councilor Erb, Councilor Foxton. Pleasant. Councilor Gowing here. Councilor Harris.

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We have regrets from councilor Harris as well. Councilor Huinink,

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chair. James, we have regrets from councilor Liggett. Councilor McCabe.

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Councilor. Nowak. Councilor Rodriguez? Present. Councilor Salonen Councilor Shantz.

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Present councilor. Vrbanovic and councilor wolf. Thank you. Chair. Thank

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you. Okay, so, moving along, item three on our agenda,

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I would like to entertain a motion to go. Into

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closed session. I will please note that the second item

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is meant to read proposed transfer of part three and

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part nine provincial. Offenses act prosecutions. Do I have a

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move or in a second for that, councilor? Gowing. And

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councilor Foxton. So we'll now start the vote in escribe.

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Where's your escribe, counselors?

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Okay, that is.

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Everyone here.

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Okay. All right. I am going to entertain a motion

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to reconvene and open. I need a mover. For that.

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Councilor Rodriguez. Councilor Vrbanovic, you will be prompted an escribe.

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Okay, that is. Carried. Are there any? Declarations of pecuniary

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conflict of interest. Okay, seeing none. There are no presentations.

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We'll now proceed with delegations as listed on the agenda.

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I would like to remind all delegations of some guidelines

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for participation. For those who are joining us in person,

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please proceed. To the podium. When you are called upon

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to speak, please press the button at the base of

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the microphone. If the light is green, that means it's

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on. And we can hear you for those. Who are

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joining us electronically, please leave your video cameras turned off

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and your microphone. Audio or audio? Muted until you were

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called upon. For the delegations who have registered before the

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due date and timeline. You'll have five. Minutes. Anyone who

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registered after. We'll have three minutes. If any of you

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conduct yourself in the following manners, it will result in

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immediate removal from the meeting, interrupting counselors, staff or other

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delegations derogatory statements about counselors, staff, or others turning your

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camera on at inappropriate times and any hate speech or

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defamatory comments. And one last reminder, if there are no

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counselor questions from counselors, we are also listening. And as

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you are all aware, for much of what's on the

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agenda today, there will be discussion around certain reports. So

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with that, I will call on Antonio Antonis. Paderis, you

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can correct me and tell me how to correctly pronounce

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your name. Once you get to the podium, the CEO

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of smart Crossing. Virtual. Okay. Yeah, virtual. Yeah. My name

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is Antonio Perez. Good morning. I'm Mike. Our associate, Nadia,

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will be starting. Us off with the presentation. Good morning,

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members of council, and thank you for the opportunity to

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present to you today. I'm Nadia, and these are my

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two colleagues, Mike and Antonio. And we're here on behalf.

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Of smart Crossing led a division of DNG Group, a

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canadian owned company specializing in innovative roadway safety solutions today.

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We are introducing a new highly visible in ground led

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gateway system designed to dramatically improve school zone safety. The

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objective is simple. Make school zones distinct and impossible for

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drivers to overlook. Even on busy and complex roadways. We'll

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be briefly outlining why this approach works, why is especially

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timely now and how it aligns with the provincial road

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safety. Initiative fund and how Waterou can lead Ontario in

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adopting next generation school zone safety infrastructure. Next slide, please.

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Research shows that drivers respond faster to visual cues that

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are integrated directly into the roadway. Traditional road signs and

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overhead flashers remain important, but in many environments they blend

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into visual clutter in ground led lighting sits directly on

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the driver's line of sight, making it far more noticeable

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by having the roadway itself communicate slow down. Driver attentiveness

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increases, particularly in high traffic. Low light or visibly busy

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environments. If we want drivers to understand that they are

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entering a protected space, the road weigh itself must deliver

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that message clearly and immediately. Next slide, please. Here's a

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view of the entering the scoo zone. Next slide, please.

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This is a view. With vertical lights on the ground.

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The previous ones was horizontal. Next slide. Twist. And this

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is the view of the opposite of the entranceways. That

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would be an exiting the screws on next slide, please.

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So in terms of why this matters, Ontario's ban on

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automated speed enforcement has created a gap in how school

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zone compliance is reinforced. Without ASE, municipalities must rely more

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on design and visibility infrastructure that prompts immediate slowdown rather

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than enforcement to introduce driver behavior. To influence driver behavior.

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The province anticipated this transition and introduced the road safety

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initiatives fund to. Support engineering based non enforcement solutions that

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improve safety through roadway design. This creates a timely opportunity

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to implement infrastructure that works continuously and without issuing fines.

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Next slide, please. Through the RSIF, the province has committed

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$210,000,000 to municipalities transitioning away from ASe. An immediate funding

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envelope is available now for shovel ready projects with additional

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funding. To follow. Waterloo is well positioned to access this

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funding by advancing. A visible, scalable and implementation ready solution

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that directly aligns with the province's stated objectives. Next slide,

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please. The smart crossing LED system uses high durability LED

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strips embedded directly into the roadway, extending curb to curb

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to form a continuous illuminated threshold. Key features include activation

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by schedule or synchronization with existing beacons. High visibility in

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daylight darkness, rain, snow and heavy traffic. A clear visual

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gateway that immediately alerts drivers they are entering protected school

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zone. The results is a consistent and unmistakable message to

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every approaching driver. Next slide, please. This system is engineered

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specifically for canadian conditions designed to withstand winter conditions. Snow

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plows, heavy traffic. And road salt. Slow maintenance, energy efficient

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and available in solar or low voltage configurations. It has

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minimal disruption. Installations can be scheduled on evenings or weekends,

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and it's fully aligned. With RSIS eligibility and funding priorities.

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Next slide, please. To let you know, Nadia have about

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30 seconds. Okay. Okay. So we would recommend implementing this

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in a phased, in measurable way. That would identify key

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zones and school zones that we would then work with

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you to be able to. Implement. Within a very short

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time period. If this is something of interest. Ultimately, this

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is a great solution with funding available that we would

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hope. To work with you on in order to bring

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about more roadway safety in the absence of Ase. Okay.

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Thank you, Antonio and Nadia, we do have a few

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questions from councilors, so I will. Start with Councilor Hunich.

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Thank you, chair. Thank you, Nadia, for your presentation today.

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And your team as well. Could you clarify how much

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it would cost to implement your system? Into one crosswalk

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or into. All the crosswalk's eligible throughout the region. And

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then could you clarify if you have some understanding of

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how much of the provincial funds that waterloo region

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might be eligible for in 2026. I know you said.

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The large envelope, but I don't know that Waterloo Region

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is eligible for all of that. Funding specifically. Yeah. To

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give an exact price. It all depends with the infrastructure

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of the school zone. For example, if electricity is close

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by you. Have to run electricity if it's one. Lane

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Road. If it's a four lane road. All these adds

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into the cost and to the final price. So it's

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hard for us. To give an idea, but something like

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just to have an idea approximately, like what we see

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on the picture. A two lane road. Beacons. And everything.

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The light on the street installation could. $40,000. But again,

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I want to get in. It all depends a lot

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of factors. To give the final price, but approximately $40,000

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each is what year? Yeah. What was the. Idea. So

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what we would do is we would work with staff

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who identify the locations. They would like done. We would

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go out there, we would look at it, and then

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we would come back. With a more exact price. Okay.

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Thank you. Just a quick response to part B, Waterloo.

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We're not exactly sure what their portion of the $210,000,000

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would be, but whatever portion. That Waterloo would qualify for.

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This plan would qualify for whatever Waterloo wanted to use

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out of that envelope. Okay. Thank you, Councilor McCabe. Thank

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you. And thank you for the presentation. And starting this

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program because as we've had many conversations around this horseshoe

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and across the province, the safety of children, particularly our

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very youngest, and people with a variety of accessibility issues

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or just the ability of people to move safely around

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our community. It really is one of the top prior.

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Priorities of any elected official. And we know that. We

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know that speeding is a real problem. And yeah, we

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know that speeding is a real problem. That certainly was

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very clear in the reason why we were pursuing this.

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And again, I still remain disappointed that it's not something

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that we're able to do. But. Be that as it

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may. You're mentioning Waterloo. I just wanted to make sure

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you understand the distinction between. You're talking to the region

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of Waterloo right now. And there's the city of Waterloo.

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Obviously, two municipal governments are very confusing. You're talking right

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now to the region, and then there's also. The cities.

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As well. And so I guess my question is, could

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we just direct this information to go to commissioner spooner

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and his staff to take a look at. And if

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you want to provide this information. I'm not going to

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speak for other area municipalities, but to the city of

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Waterloo. I think we'd certainly be interested in taking a

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look at it. I would again just direct you to

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talk. To our transportation staff to see if this is

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something that might be viable. So could I just. Leave

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that with you, Commissioner Spooner. Okay. You can't see him,

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but he's nodding his head. Okay. Thank you, councilor. Just

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a quick response. We do recognize the difference. So just

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to let you know, we've approached the region and we've

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approached all the cities within the region separately. Okay. Thank

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you. And I just have a question. Nadia and Antonio.

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And that's regarding where this is being implemented. Are you

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in municipalities across the province or the country right now

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somewhere. That. In doing research, looking into kind of the

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way it is in other municipalities. So this technology has

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been used extensively in Europe. We just kind of brought

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it over now. In response to what happened when the

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province canceled the speed cameras. So we have been approaching

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a lot of municipalities. We've gone to, like, city of

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Vaughn, York Region, Peel region, Brampton, and we've, gotten a

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great response from them. But we don't have one in

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yet. We anticipate having a pilot project in or the

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first couple of projects in hopefully March or April. So

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not too far off. And we're also going to be,

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we're also in discussions with the Ministry of Transportation, just

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so that we can see if we can get. This

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facilitated so that any municipality wants to take part. They'll

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have a lot of the questions answered, the technical questions

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answered at the provincial level. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. I

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see no further questions. Thank you for joining us today.

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And sharing the information with us. I will now move

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on to thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. Our

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second delegation. It's Leslie Maxwell, student transportation services of Waterloo

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Region road safety program and school zones. Okay. And Leslie,

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you do have five minutes. When you get to a

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minute, I am told there is a light that's going

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to flash on the podium there for you so you'll.

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Know. You'll have a minute. Thank you, chair, James. And

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through you, I do have a presentation. If it is

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brought up. Thank you. I'm Leslie Maxwell. Most of you

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know me as the lead for school travel planning at

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student transportation services of Waterloo Region. I'm here to speak

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in favor of the motion for funding for road safety

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program to support the ultimate aim of what was our

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speed camera project that was terminated last fall. Second slide,

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please. If you drive around the region at Bell times.

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You will know that most or many school zones feel

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like they're made for cars. What? I mean by this

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is, it seems drivers assume that they need to be

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accommodated before children are. Next slide, please. In 2024, a

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provincewide survey showed that people are accustomed to witnessing illegal

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and dangerous behaviors. Within school zones in a variety of

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contexts. And I'm not going to spend too much time

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on this. It's small. You can't read it, but it

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is there for you to look at later. Slide four,

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please. STSWR observations in our region show that these behaviors

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are also happening here. At concerning rates. Next slide, please.

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When we look at the data by road type, we

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saw that. Higher volume roads tended to see greater numbers

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of incidents. So this is where we're talking. About regional

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arterial roadways, but mind you, those lower numbers there are

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still in the hundreds. Just. Pointing out that none of

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our roads are great, but the arterial roads do seem

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to be worse. Next slide, please. And in case it

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needs to be said, a study by Linda Rossman proved

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in Toronto in Toronto. Sorry. Proved that. It shows that

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a significant association between schools with dangerous driving and pedestrian

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motor vehicle collisions, so regional roads are a great place

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to focus new interventions that can reverse those trends. Next

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slide, please. Student transportation's family surveys are directed at caregivers

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across the region, and they show that many parents feel

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that the school zone is the single most dangerous area

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on the way to school. Fully impacting their choice to

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use active travel. We hope that these spaces can become

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more welcoming to children. Along with this new road safety

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fund. Next slide, please. Municipal government staffers across the province

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showed. In that survey mentioned earlier that they believe that

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school zones are for children. Ranking children's safety above any

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vehicular movement as the reason school zones should exist. The

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experts on your staff have been fully supportive of this

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notion as well. In our experience and they've been great

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to work with. Next slide, please. However, the Highway Traffic

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act doesn't necessarily make children's safety the focus, so. It

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requires funding, like the road safety plan that. You have

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in motion here? Outside of the norm to provide comprehensive,

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evidence based solutions to provide road security for children on

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their way to school. Next slide, please. Looks like we

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have time. I just want to highlight some of the

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things that the region of Waterloo has done for children

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in the past year alone. And our team proudly has

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been working to identify some of these spaces at Moffat

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Creek here. Sorry. On that last slide at Moffat Creek,

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a new ramp and crossing reduced the number of parked

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cars. Along the side of the road, and it provides

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access to houses across the street for children that used

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to have to walk close to a kilometer out of.

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The way to get to school. Next slide, please. More

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simply, the pedestrian crossover at Portland at Corland, PS had

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an immediate effect on speeds and aggressive driving. And then

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if the next picture shows ticket B Hills on Fairway

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Road, a new multi use path means students don't need

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to bike against traffic on the way home. In a

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bike lane and children are not passing each other on

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the bike lane. On foot either. Final slide, please. These

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are great improvements, and we hope that you will support

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ongoing funding for additional improvements on regional roadways. In the

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meantime, please look for our newest campaign to support these

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efforts. Coming to schools this spring. We're calling it school

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zones are for kids, too. Thank you. Thank you, Leslie.

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I do have a question from Councilor Rodriguez. Yeah, thanks,

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Leslie, for coming in. And really appreciate the data that

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you're able to share. That your team collects on a

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regular basis. I think making these types of data informed

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decisions is really helpful. In your experiences there are difference

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on sale quieter local road or a regional road. In

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terms of safety at those bell times that you spoke

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to. I know we saw it when we went out

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in November, but could you maybe just speak to that?

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This is a challenge. Across or where that challenge exists

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across the region. Yeah, that challenge is on all kinds

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of roads. And it really depends on the context and

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geometries, the volume of students at a school. And various

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attitudes towards traffic and towards driving. In neighborhoods across the

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region. And. In many cases. Speed isn't the only problem.

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I know. You and I. Witnessed. A lot of concerning

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behaviors. On a residential street just next to a school,

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but. On the arterial road that we were also facing.

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It had a problem, but a different problem. Speed was

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the problem. Maybe on the arterial roadway where uturns and

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double parking and letting children out in the middle of

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the street was the problem on the residential street. Thank

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you. Thank you, Councilor Schantz. Thank you. Thank you for

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the presentation. I know. That. There's forever been concerns about

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school loans and drop offs. So my question. Is how

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can the schools and the municipal governments, area municipalities and

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the region. Work together better. To make. And you've brought

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up some solutions here. I'm thinking maybe more specifically. Of

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drop offs because I know. We requested a long time

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ago that new schools have drop off zones, but then

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they're. Not being used, and so. How can we work

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together better to make something that's really usable? Thank you

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for your question and through you chair, James. We have

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observed school zones for years, and colleagues like me across

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the province and across Canada have observed in their own

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areas. And we all kind of come to the same

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conclusion. If you build it, they will come. So you

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build a drop off zone. More people drive, more people

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come to. That zone and we cannot possibly accommodate. The

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number of vehicles that show up. And that creates a

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focal point for cars instead of for children. So. When

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we can create spaces that are safer for children. They

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look like. Interventions. Like I just showed you. And the

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one at Courtland public School I'll bring to mind first.

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There's no drop off zone. At Courtland, cars do use

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side streets to drop off. And in front of the

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school, where that pedestrian crossover was introduced. The administrative team

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says that that pedestrian crossover immediately slowed traffic. Brought attention

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to children and actually gave them an opportunity to cross

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the street where there was none. Before. They say it's

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working like the speed cameras did. And so, depending on

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the context, depending on the geometry of the roadway, there

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will be different interventions. That can have those kind of

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effects. And my team is here to work to bring

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together the school boards and the municipal staff, so. That

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we can all work together on solutions that work, including,

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yes, the built environment, but also what we can do,

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bringing an education, bringing in encouragement and. Trying to shift

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that attitude. Starting to shift that attitude. I think it's

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the best way. It's the most proven way so far.

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Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Leslie, thank you for coming

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in today. There's no further questions from council. My pleasure.

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Thank you for your time. Okay, next. We will have

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Joseph Poobalo, co CEO of Paulo Corp. And urban initiatives.

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And, Joseph, you. Have five minutes. Thank you very

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much. Through you, the chair, and to the rest of

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my colleagues and people sitting around the horseshoe. Obviously, this

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is a pressing issue and it requires immediate action for

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us to address. It. I think there can be a

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lot of energy put into. How did we get here?

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Why is this a problem? I want to focus the

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majority of my presentation on trying to figure. A solution

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out of this problem and working collaboratively both between government

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and industry to make it happen. Next slide, please. I

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want to focus first on the impacts. If there is

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a delay in action and. I don't think that there

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can be. I recognize that there's multiple heads of council.

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Add here of the lower tier municipalities. My principal concern

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is that. If development is now frozen and development charges

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effectually dry up, this is going to have a huge

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chilling impact on the finances of not only the lower

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tier municipalities but also the region as a whole. All

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of the capital projects, all the capital budgets are built

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upon the notion of continuing development. So we need to

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move quickly and aggressively to address this issue. Secondly, we

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are already facing unprecedented economic situation in the industry due

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to external factors to now have an initial. Problem within

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is further complicating, and I'm worried that there's going to

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be a further exodus of talent and trades. Supporting the

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construction industry. And then when we are ready to build.

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We're not going to have the talent there to be

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able to build as we intended. On. Next is investment

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will be directed to other municipalities. This is a worst

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case scenario that I do not want to see whether

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it be public or private. I've had multiple financial institutions

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based out of Toronto and otherwise reach out. And. Understanding

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whether the quantum of the problem financiers are paying attention.

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This has a huge impact about how we grow the

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region, and it's going to have a huge impact on

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a go forward basis. On a middle to long basis.

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I worry that private investment will again further be directed

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to other municipalities and regions. And I think it's important

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to understand that taxes will increase to. The entire tax

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base. It's not just a stop in development. It's how

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those costs, how the capital budget plans get allocated across.

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The number of their growth is built into that equation

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and needs to be considered accordingly. So next slide. As

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probably some of you have done. I spent an inordinate

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amount of time over the holidays, going back through just

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about every regional water report and there and then spending

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an time understanding trying to understand the basics of how

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our water system works. Obviously. I'm not an engineer, nor

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claim to be one. And I like to work with

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engineers. On the solution, both public and private, but. We

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have two systems, but we have one region, and we

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need to look at how we allocate our resources and

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reallocate our resources to make sure the region as a

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whole is successful. So I want to jump quickly into

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an action plan, recognizing that I have limited time. To

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speak to. I think. Next slide, please. I think the

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most important thing from an immediate standpoint coming out. Of

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today's council meeting is clear. Direction from council the planning

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approval should be separate from water allocation and the appropriate

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comments on new applications should be given. This is a

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fundamental issue as many planning applications are already in very

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different stage of process. Are they necessarily going to develop

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right away? Not necessarily. Therefore. There should be appropriate comments.

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Given understanding the downloading and planning responsibilities to lower tier

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municipalities, I was heartened to see last night a kitchener

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council. Two proposals were approved, granted with a holding condition.

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But I think this is an important precedent and it

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needs to be looked at. All lower tier municipalities. Second

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is to initiate a plan to link the Middleton system

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in the pressure system, and they're looking at all the

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necessary equipment on that commitment to immediately started looking at

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new test wells. And then commitment to start the refurbishment

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of the Mannheim system immediately, which I understand that's. The

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most immediately. Capital. Good. On a 30 day basis. Immediate

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capital infrastructure being put in place and clearly defined. I

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would like to call a meeting between the industry and

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government. I think there needs to be some trust building

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exercises to understand. That recognizing we are in a problem.

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How do we get out of that? Industry and other

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consultants need to be at the table. We need to

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meet with the 50th biggest water users and look for

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opportunities. To conserve. On a go forward basis. We need

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to get an action plan. And an immediate plan to

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get the Mannheim refurbishment well underway. Detailed design transferring. Reserve

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from Mannheim to Middleton system needs to occur. Summer plans

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for conservation should be in place as soon as possible.

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And then we need to find additional candidate wells, recognizing

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that. The EA's take time. We need to clearly define

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them and have it publicly available. What EA's we want

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and we need to make appropriate steps to expedite the

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province. And then on six month to one year, we

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need to have construction well over the way for the

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Manheim Middleton transfer. New wells need to be identified. An

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additional conservation measures were appropriate and reexamination of existing capacity

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through. Detail unassigned capacity mapping so we can detach modeling.

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Of usage from further approved. I apologize for taking a

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long time, but I thought I'd have a long time

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to speak on this very critical issue. I was just

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about to stop you. Joseph. So thank you for wrapping

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up and coming in. And providing ways in which solutions

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can happen, although it's a bigger systems approach. But appreciate

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that we do have a few comments from questions from

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counselors. Councilor Verbanovic, thank you very much and thanks just

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for coming in. And quite frankly, The work that you

472
02:21:39,824 --> 02:21:42,464
and others in the industry and the discussions you've been

473
02:21:42,464 --> 02:21:46,464
having with many of us over the past few weeks.

474
02:21:47,972 --> 02:21:51,637
To address something. That's, I think, equally concerning for us

475
02:21:51,637 --> 02:21:54,597
both as regional counselors as well as those of us

476
02:21:54,597 --> 02:21:58,597
who have dual responsibilities with our area municipalities. A few

477
02:21:58,597 --> 02:22:02,157
questions I have from you. You talked about the exodus

478
02:22:02,157 --> 02:22:04,797
of trades and talent, and I think that is an

479
02:22:04,797 --> 02:22:09,219
important issue that hasn't been. Spoken about enough. This isn't

480
02:22:09,219 --> 02:22:13,928
simply about. The theoretical issues of putting projects on hold.

481
02:22:13,928 --> 02:22:17,608
This is like painters, electricians, plumbers. I mean. The list

482
02:22:17,608 --> 02:22:20,768
goes on and on and on of people who are

483
02:22:20,768 --> 02:22:26,376
involved in everything from. A potential rental project of a

484
02:22:26,376 --> 02:22:30,653
basement suite for in laws to. Large developments that will

485
02:22:30,653 --> 02:22:33,970
provide new housing. If you can talk a little bit

486
02:22:33,970 --> 02:22:36,530
more about how critical that is and the risk that

487
02:22:36,530 --> 02:22:40,139
we're exposing ourselves. To. Of losing these people to other

488
02:22:40,139 --> 02:22:44,758
communities. There's a huge. Thank you for the question, Mayor

489
02:22:44,758 --> 02:22:48,583
Vanwick. There's a huge risk right now that we're facing.

490
02:22:48,583 --> 02:22:53,175
We're already facing probably. The most unprecedented economic conditions for

491
02:22:53,175 --> 02:22:56,935
the building and construction industry, probably a generation since the

492
02:22:56,935 --> 02:23:00,455
90s. So at the end of a 30 year cycle,

493
02:23:00,455 --> 02:23:04,375
there's already huge pressures that we're facing from an international

494
02:23:04,375 --> 02:23:08,578
standpoint, and it's causing people to be more conservative. If

495
02:23:08,578 --> 02:23:13,149
people. Are not seeing an immediate future. In being able

496
02:23:13,149 --> 02:23:16,305
to rely. Upon being able to do their job as

497
02:23:16,305 --> 02:23:21,061
a painter, plumber, electrician, There are people. Talent is needed

498
02:23:21,061 --> 02:23:26,701
greatly across Canada and internationally. People will look elsewhere if

499
02:23:26,701 --> 02:23:30,524
they see. Their opportunities and prospects drying up. Now, do

500
02:23:30,524 --> 02:23:32,724
I necessarily see that that's going to be the case,

501
02:23:32,724 --> 02:23:36,795
and it's a binary one and zero decision that. This

502
02:23:36,795 --> 02:23:40,035
will inevitably happen. No, I want to be hedged and

503
02:23:40,035 --> 02:23:42,515
nuanced in that, but. I think it really relies upon.

504
02:23:43,756 --> 02:23:47,076
The council working with industry to come up with solutions.

505
02:23:48,311 --> 02:23:51,180
In the short, medium and long term. At a pace,

506
02:23:51,180 --> 02:23:56,673
that's where it will seem uncomfortable. To government at times,

507
02:23:56,673 --> 02:23:59,753
in my opinion. But it will be extremely necessary in

508
02:23:59,753 --> 02:24:04,355
order to first all this outcome. Yeah. I agree with

509
02:24:04,355 --> 02:24:09,209
you because. This is fundamentally. I mean, folks, these are

510
02:24:09,209 --> 02:24:12,729
already challenging economic times, and these folks need to be

511
02:24:12,729 --> 02:24:15,889
able to pay. Their rent, pay their mortgages, put food

512
02:24:15,889 --> 02:24:18,089
on the table, all these kinds of issues. And if

513
02:24:18,089 --> 02:24:20,049
they can't do it here, they'll go elsewhere. And so

514
02:24:20,049 --> 02:24:24,720
that's a concern for me. You talked about taking investment

515
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:29,080
elsewhere. Calls from financial institutions. I'm hearing this as well,

516
02:24:29,080 --> 02:24:32,622
and. It all speaks to. Messaging and one of the

517
02:24:32,622 --> 02:24:36,702
most significant concerns I've heard, whether it's from people. Who

518
02:24:36,702 --> 02:24:38,902
are looking to invest in the area, companies that are

519
02:24:38,902 --> 02:24:42,740
looking to, who are already here looking. To expand. Those

520
02:24:42,740 --> 02:24:47,060
in the construction industry is messaging around. Are we still

521
02:24:47,060 --> 02:24:50,015
open for business? And I'm wondering if you can talk

522
02:24:50,015 --> 02:24:55,227
a little bit about how important that. Is in terms

523
02:24:55,227 --> 02:24:59,518
of this overall situation. I think messaging and communication is

524
02:24:59,518 --> 02:25:02,558
extremely important, and I want to both commend staff and

525
02:25:02,558 --> 02:25:06,278
counsel to being open to taking calls and discussions during

526
02:25:06,278 --> 02:25:09,358
this time. It's only working together. That we're going to

527
02:25:09,358 --> 02:25:13,057
figure our way through that. That said, and this is

528
02:25:13,057 --> 02:25:16,509
the guidance that I want to offer, Council and staff

529
02:25:16,509 --> 02:25:18,909
is how we communicate back out to the industry will

530
02:25:18,909 --> 02:25:22,789
be mission critical for us. Also getting out, I think

531
02:25:22,789 --> 02:25:26,189
by us giving any sort of smell that we're not

532
02:25:26,189 --> 02:25:33,268
open. For business. Will invariably have huge impacts for years

533
02:25:33,268 --> 02:25:37,048
and years to come. I would like to. Figure out

534
02:25:37,048 --> 02:25:41,433
a more nuanced approach with better modeling where. We can

535
02:25:41,433 --> 02:25:44,713
still manage to keep some semblance of not only development

536
02:25:44,713 --> 02:25:49,573
approvals, but development in general going. While we try and

537
02:25:49,573 --> 02:25:52,933
solve this problem collaboratively. I think that's the safest way.

538
02:25:52,933 --> 02:25:55,693
To go specifically. One of the issues that place is.

539
02:25:58,201 --> 02:26:03,321
What the percentage rate is on capacity reserve and what

540
02:26:03,321 --> 02:26:06,201
is the appropriate thing. And then looking at real, actual

541
02:26:06,201 --> 02:26:11,040
modeling from a monthly timeline, specifically speaking. It looks like

542
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:14,489
August to be our worst pinch point. In terms of

543
02:26:14,489 --> 02:26:17,089
water availability due to the seasonality. So it's like, how

544
02:26:17,089 --> 02:26:21,393
do we take advantage of that time. Between that to

545
02:26:21,393 --> 02:26:25,393
get as much available capacity and what available capacity could

546
02:26:25,393 --> 02:26:29,902
we bring online? In three months, six months, twelve months,

547
02:26:29,902 --> 02:26:34,022
and then plan collaboratively with not only industry but staff.

548
02:26:34,022 --> 02:26:36,862
Accordingly. I think there's solutions to be had, and I'm

549
02:26:36,862 --> 02:26:39,742
hoping for a nuanced. Approach. Great. Thank you very much.

550
02:26:39,742 --> 02:26:42,902
I appreciate that, madam chair. If others don't. Ask me

551
02:26:42,902 --> 02:26:47,407
other questions. I'll queue back in. Thank you. Okay, moving

552
02:26:47,407 --> 02:26:51,607
along. Councilor Hunich through. You, Chair James. Thank you, Joseph,

553
02:26:51,607 --> 02:26:53,647
for coming in. Today. I just want to reassure you

554
02:26:53,647 --> 02:26:56,407
that each of the concerns that you outlined are on

555
02:26:56,407 --> 02:26:59,567
the radar of regional council and we are doing everything

556
02:26:59,567 --> 02:27:02,567
that we can to mitigate them. Expediatly so. Thank you.

557
02:27:04,454 --> 02:27:10,173
Councilor McKabe. Thank you. And at the risk of. We

558
02:27:10,173 --> 02:27:12,053
know we have another number of other delegations, so I

559
02:27:12,053 --> 02:27:14,213
won't ask all my questions of you, Joseph. I'll save

560
02:27:14,213 --> 02:27:16,533
some for the others, too. But thank you for making

561
02:27:16,533 --> 02:27:20,333
time to be here today and coming with a solution

562
02:27:20,333 --> 02:27:25,059
focused. Presentation. And I do have a couple of motions

563
02:27:25,059 --> 02:27:28,139
that I'm going to table this afternoon. That speak to

564
02:27:28,139 --> 02:27:31,414
some of those. And particularly I have a lot of

565
02:27:31,414 --> 02:27:35,614
questions around the resiliency piece. And just with 20% the

566
02:27:35,614 --> 02:27:38,654
right number. Can it be phased in? Things like that,

567
02:27:38,654 --> 02:27:41,659
but. I was quite curious about, because one of the

568
02:27:41,659 --> 02:27:46,687
motions I have is around the conservation. Piece. And you

569
02:27:46,687 --> 02:27:50,647
referenced that you wanted to have 50 of the top,

570
02:27:50,647 --> 02:27:55,221
the largest water users together for a meeting. And so

571
02:27:55,221 --> 02:27:57,941
I'm curious if you have a sense of how many

572
02:27:57,941 --> 02:28:00,581
of those users or how much of our water. And

573
02:28:00,581 --> 02:28:05,904
I know you're not a water engineer. But. Are using

574
02:28:05,904 --> 02:28:09,664
potable water that could be using non potable water and

575
02:28:09,664 --> 02:28:13,064
how that might play into helping us address this capacity

576
02:28:13,064 --> 02:28:16,063
issue. I think the short answer to that is we

577
02:28:16,063 --> 02:28:20,265
don't know, but we need to know. Very quickly. Whether

578
02:28:20,265 --> 02:28:23,145
it be aging like data centers that are using, potentially

579
02:28:23,145 --> 02:28:27,714
using potable. Water that could use gray water or closed

580
02:28:27,714 --> 02:28:32,768
loop geothermal solutions. We need to get creative and. What

581
02:28:32,768 --> 02:28:35,848
we save will buy us some time to bring on

582
02:28:35,848 --> 02:28:38,768
additional capacity. So I think we just. Need to have

583
02:28:38,768 --> 02:28:42,568
very frank and earthy discussions. I think it's really going

584
02:28:42,568 --> 02:28:44,368
to come. One of the other things I would like

585
02:28:44,368 --> 02:28:48,048
to see in the motions, quite honestly, is the ability

586
02:28:48,048 --> 02:28:50,808
to start being able to access the reserve fund so

587
02:28:50,808 --> 02:28:55,035
that we can start implementing. It. I recognize. I'm not

588
02:28:55,035 --> 02:28:59,235
exactly sure of the appropriate budget actions that will be

589
02:28:59,235 --> 02:29:03,100
required in order to allocate funds, but. I would proffer

590
02:29:03,100 --> 02:29:07,314
to you that we need some sort of. Working mechanism

591
02:29:07,314 --> 02:29:09,594
to be able to access those funds outside of the

592
02:29:09,594 --> 02:29:14,754
typical. Capital cost budget, so that when we see an

593
02:29:14,754 --> 02:29:18,320
opportunity that has. An immediate potential benefits that we can

594
02:29:18,320 --> 02:29:21,040
move on it very quickly. Okay, thank you very much.

595
02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:23,560
I'll save the rest of my questions for other delegations.

596
02:29:24,816 --> 02:29:27,856
Thank you, Councilor Foxton. Thank you. And to you chair

597
02:29:27,856 --> 02:29:32,620
and welcome, Joseph. So the region is working very diligently

598
02:29:32,620 --> 02:29:35,780
and very hard and looking at funding to fix the

599
02:29:35,780 --> 02:29:38,896
problem and. They do have items that we should go

600
02:29:38,896 --> 02:29:42,376
through. Love your suggestion of finding the biggest, the 50th.

601
02:29:42,376 --> 02:29:45,136
Biggest users and working with them. But I think all

602
02:29:45,136 --> 02:29:48,176
of us should be very aware of the situation and

603
02:29:48,176 --> 02:29:50,616
work together, and I think that's exactly what the region

604
02:29:50,616 --> 02:29:54,089
plans to do. And keep the builders informed because we

605
02:29:54,089 --> 02:29:55,929
want the trades to remain. We want you to build.

606
02:29:57,058 --> 02:29:58,298
We want it to happen, but we have to be

607
02:29:58,298 --> 02:30:01,698
ensured that we can provide the water. You need, and

608
02:30:01,698 --> 02:30:04,658
that's our first priority right now, and that's what we're

609
02:30:04,658 --> 02:30:09,607
working for. Towards fullheartedly. I know that was a comment,

610
02:30:09,607 --> 02:30:15,220
but if I could just. Relay a quick comment in

611
02:30:15,220 --> 02:30:18,460
return. I think there's been very good examples of industry

612
02:30:18,460 --> 02:30:23,580
working with regional staff on large scale infrastructure projects. There's

613
02:30:23,580 --> 02:30:26,300
a few examples that come to mind. But having working

614
02:30:26,300 --> 02:30:30,340
groups not only informing the industry, but having them available

615
02:30:30,340 --> 02:30:35,330
at the table. To help craft solutions and better solutions,

616
02:30:35,330 --> 02:30:38,490
either that could be done quicker or cheaper, or help

617
02:30:38,490 --> 02:30:41,290
us hit our desired results. So I would like to

618
02:30:41,290 --> 02:30:43,770
use a whole region approach in terms of the solution

619
02:30:43,770 --> 02:30:47,749
I'd really like to see. Committee stood up so that

620
02:30:47,749 --> 02:30:50,869
people can open those lines of communication, us, to rebuild.

621
02:30:52,328 --> 02:30:54,648
That trust and look for the best and optimal solutions

622
02:30:54,648 --> 02:30:58,848
in a quick fashion. Totally agree. Working together. We're stronger

623
02:30:58,848 --> 02:31:03,638
and better. Thank you. Thank you, chair Redmond. Thank you,

624
02:31:03,638 --> 02:31:05,838
chair James. Joe, I want to thank you for coming

625
02:31:05,838 --> 02:31:08,038
in, too. And this is a blanket comment to everybody

626
02:31:08,038 --> 02:31:12,038
who's making delegation. I think the developers in the construction

627
02:31:12,038 --> 02:31:15,758
industry in Waterloo Region are second to none. To echo

628
02:31:15,758 --> 02:31:20,158
councilor chair James comment. Really appreciate the fact that everybody's

629
02:31:20,158 --> 02:31:22,518
rolling up their sleeves and coming with solutions, so thank

630
02:31:22,518 --> 02:31:28,496
you. Very much. Thank you, Councilor Shawns. Thank you. Thank

631
02:31:28,496 --> 02:31:32,856
you for being here today. Just a question that came

632
02:31:32,856 --> 02:31:37,877
to mind when councilor Foxon was speaking and. That is.

633
02:31:39,132 --> 02:31:41,892
To developers, and maybe you can help me with this.

634
02:31:43,579 --> 02:31:46,499
Are you starting to look more to using things like.

635
02:31:47,538 --> 02:31:53,604
Cisterns or sort of collecting water. And perhaps using gray

636
02:31:53,604 --> 02:31:56,927
water. I know. There's a lot of infrastructure involved with

637
02:31:56,927 --> 02:32:00,567
some of those pieces, but are developers starting to look

638
02:32:00,567 --> 02:32:05,650
at that as a way of helping. I think there

639
02:32:05,650 --> 02:32:08,130
can be a lot of practical solutions of the detailed

640
02:32:08,130 --> 02:32:11,570
design phase and that's really candidly where I want to

641
02:32:11,570 --> 02:32:15,290
decouple the notion of, okay, we're going to freeze development

642
02:32:15,290 --> 02:32:19,990
or slow development versus. We're going to look at development,

643
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:23,886
but also look for opportunities, I think. This is a

644
02:32:23,886 --> 02:32:28,221
conservation piece. There's a redirection piece. There's also a larger

645
02:32:28,221 --> 02:32:33,481
overall capacity. And allocation of peace across the entire system.

646
02:32:33,481 --> 02:32:36,161
So I think there's lots of technical solutions. Can be

647
02:32:36,161 --> 02:32:38,041
brought to the fore. And that's why I don't think

648
02:32:38,041 --> 02:32:42,502
a one. In zero binary. Binary switch to do this

649
02:32:42,502 --> 02:32:44,902
is necessarily the right solution for us at this time.

650
02:32:46,437 --> 02:32:50,037
Thank you. I see no further counselors in the queue.

651
02:32:50,037 --> 02:32:51,837
Council for Banovic. I do want. To come back to

652
02:32:51,837 --> 02:32:54,397
you. If you do have one question, you're good. Okay.

653
02:32:54,397 --> 02:32:58,237
Thank you. Joseph, for coming in and speaking candidly with

654
02:32:58,237 --> 02:33:02,474
us. Thank you. I will now call on David Galbras,

655
02:33:02,474 --> 02:33:12,399
president and principal planner, up consulting. And David,

656
02:33:12,399 --> 02:33:14,959
you have five minutes. There will be a light that

657
02:33:14,959 --> 02:33:17,559
flashes when you're down. To about a minute, okay? Okay.

658
02:33:17,559 --> 02:33:20,359
Thank you. Good morning, chair members of the committee. My

659
02:33:20,359 --> 02:33:22,719
name is. Dave Galbrayth. I'm a registered professional planner and

660
02:33:22,719 --> 02:33:25,719
the president of upconsulting. Limited. I'm here today as a

661
02:33:25,719 --> 02:33:29,239
planner and concerned citizen with regard to the capacity constraint

662
02:33:29,239 --> 02:33:34,907
at. Mannheim in the service area. We've all read the

663
02:33:34,907 --> 02:33:37,187
report, and I suggest many of us have similar questions.

664
02:33:37,187 --> 02:33:39,507
How did we really get here? Why is this issue

665
02:33:39,507 --> 02:33:43,147
escalated so urgently to warrant? A complete halt in development.

666
02:33:43,147 --> 02:33:45,187
And how will this issue be resolved and what can

667
02:33:45,187 --> 02:33:47,987
be done to do so quickly. These are certainly all

668
02:33:47,987 --> 02:33:50,347
questions that need answer, but at this juncture, similar to

669
02:33:50,347 --> 02:33:52,836
Joseph, I think it's imperative that we focus. On what

670
02:33:52,836 --> 02:33:55,516
can be done right now to resolve the issue as

671
02:33:55,516 --> 02:33:58,427
soon as possible. The fallout of a prolonged clamp on

672
02:33:58,427 --> 02:34:03,010
water will have profound impacts on our community further. Stagnation

673
02:34:03,010 --> 02:34:06,970
of the development industry direct impacts on local economic development

674
02:34:06,970 --> 02:34:11,090
compromise project financing from private lenders as well as through

675
02:34:11,090 --> 02:34:16,420
CMHC. Direct impacts on the constructions and trade industry erosion

676
02:34:16,420 --> 02:34:20,620
of trust, functional elimination of development charges for the area,

677
02:34:20,620 --> 02:34:24,300
municipalities, the region, and school boards. Direct impacts on housing

678
02:34:24,300 --> 02:34:27,940
delivery, including affordable housing. Direct impacts on the ability of

679
02:34:27,940 --> 02:34:31,940
local municipalities to achieve their housing targets. And with that

680
02:34:31,940 --> 02:34:36,419
comes the risk of losing. Critical infrastructure monies. Impacts and

681
02:34:36,419 --> 02:34:40,739
then finally impacts on existing policy initiatives, including Kitchener's new

682
02:34:40,739 --> 02:34:43,339
op. This list may seem dramatic, but I want to

683
02:34:43,339 --> 02:34:46,179
be absolutely clear that the impacts of this matter are

684
02:34:46,179 --> 02:34:50,219
far reaching. And pronounced. This problem requires urgent action and

685
02:34:50,219 --> 02:34:54,487
resolution and collaboration between. Levels of government and the industry

686
02:34:54,487 --> 02:34:58,045
itself. I agree with the recommendations put forward by Joseph

687
02:34:58,045 --> 02:35:01,794
this morning, that short, medium and long term actions. Should

688
02:35:01,794 --> 02:35:06,932
be action straight away. As well as conservation messaging out

689
02:35:06,932 --> 02:35:09,732
to the General Republic. In addition, the slide before you

690
02:35:09,732 --> 02:35:14,812
today has several targeted recommendations. Recommendation one is focused on

691
02:35:14,812 --> 02:35:17,972
supporting development. Through this process, the region and its area

692
02:35:17,972 --> 02:35:22,772
municipality counterparts need to work collectively to ensure that projects

693
02:35:22,772 --> 02:35:26,958
can still move through formative. Approvals like. A four unit

694
02:35:26,958 --> 02:35:30,318
development that went to Kitchener Council last night. Likewise, local

695
02:35:30,318 --> 02:35:33,558
government should explore where allocation has been granted to date,

696
02:35:33,558 --> 02:35:36,678
but not acted upon. Engage with these owners of this

697
02:35:36,678 --> 02:35:39,958
allocation and see whether it can be reallocated on a

698
02:35:39,958 --> 02:35:43,644
temporary basis. Recommendation number two is that the region consider

699
02:35:43,644 --> 02:35:47,684
a phase in of the proposed resiliency target. As mentioned

700
02:35:47,684 --> 02:35:50,604
by member McCabe, while the goal of having a 20%

701
02:35:50,604 --> 02:35:52,724
buffer is great on paper and a good goal to

702
02:35:52,724 --> 02:35:56,164
strive for. Given the situation we're currently in, we should

703
02:35:56,164 --> 02:35:59,604
consider a phase in recommendation three is focused on working

704
02:35:59,604 --> 02:36:04,007
to protect existing infrastructure fund. Funding, grants and revenue sources.

705
02:36:04,007 --> 02:36:06,487
With regards to strong community grants and half funding, these

706
02:36:06,487 --> 02:36:08,767
are linked to housing starts, so there should be a

707
02:36:08,767 --> 02:36:13,367
focus on achieving these targets. Recommendation four recommends a review

708
02:36:13,367 --> 02:36:16,567
of planned capital projects being undertaken by the region this

709
02:36:16,567 --> 02:36:19,567
year and next. The region should ensure that this is

710
02:36:19,567 --> 02:36:23,932
priority number one and recommendation. Five proposes the establishment of

711
02:36:23,932 --> 02:36:28,132
a public and private sector working group, as also indicated

712
02:36:28,132 --> 02:36:33,319
by Joseph for constant communication throughout this process. The final

713
02:36:33,319 --> 02:36:37,039
recommendations on the screen focus on working with federal and

714
02:36:37,039 --> 02:36:40,679
provincial counterparts, which I understand has already been initiated. Final

715
02:36:40,679 --> 02:36:43,599
recommendation is just to review the situation and how we

716
02:36:43,599 --> 02:36:48,763
can avoid similar situations. Moving forward. I appreciate your time

717
02:36:48,763 --> 02:36:50,923
this morning, and I'm available for any questions you might

718
02:36:50,923 --> 02:36:53,643
have. Okay? Thank you, David. We do have a few

719
02:36:53,643 --> 02:36:58,003
questions. Councilor Rodriguez. Thanks for coming in, David. And trust

720
02:36:58,003 --> 02:37:01,123
a planner to pull together a great infographic for this.

721
02:37:02,545 --> 02:37:07,526
I guess a question for you is. I bleeds between

722
02:37:07,526 --> 02:37:08,886
the two of you. Have spoken about it in different

723
02:37:08,886 --> 02:37:10,726
ways, but would it? Be fair in your experience and

724
02:37:10,726 --> 02:37:14,126
what you understand from your colleagues, that there's the infrastructure.

725
02:37:14,126 --> 02:37:17,166
Issue. There's this hard engineering challenge that we need to

726
02:37:17,166 --> 02:37:19,846
overcome and sort of the math and the paper of

727
02:37:19,846 --> 02:37:22,806
it all. There are perhaps separate things that can be

728
02:37:22,806 --> 02:37:28,469
worked on. Separately, but together. Is that a fair characterization,

729
02:37:28,469 --> 02:37:30,629
perhaps, of how we might be able to go forward?

730
02:37:30,629 --> 02:37:33,878
In a good way. Through the chair. I think you've

731
02:37:33,878 --> 02:37:37,690
captured that pretty well. Certainly. Within a water model. You

732
02:37:37,690 --> 02:37:39,970
have to account for developments that have already been approved.

733
02:37:39,970 --> 02:37:43,290
But as we've seen certain projects get to this stage

734
02:37:43,290 --> 02:37:47,210
of approvals, even site plan approvals, but don't ever action

735
02:37:47,210 --> 02:37:50,170
the building permit. And there's economic reasons for why that's.

736
02:37:50,170 --> 02:37:53,882
Occurring. And other reasons for why that's occurring, general market

737
02:37:53,882 --> 02:37:56,682
conditions. So I think there really needs to be a

738
02:37:56,682 --> 02:38:00,276
deep dive into this issue, specifically to say, What's the

739
02:38:00,276 --> 02:38:03,596
paper issue? What's been approved? What could be potentially reallocated?

740
02:38:04,983 --> 02:38:07,303
And then again, as an industry, I think what I've

741
02:38:07,303 --> 02:38:10,023
been hearing, I've probably been on the phone about 60

742
02:38:10,023 --> 02:38:11,663
hours in the past week and a half on this

743
02:38:11,663 --> 02:38:16,370
issue, and. Much more in December as well. Is that?

744
02:38:17,384 --> 02:38:20,824
There's certainly a drive to work together to make sure

745
02:38:20,824 --> 02:38:23,624
that our trades are still busy. That projects that can

746
02:38:23,624 --> 02:38:25,584
move forward, that there is a business case right now

747
02:38:25,584 --> 02:38:28,613
that they can still advance. Thank you. I really appreciate

748
02:38:28,613 --> 02:38:33,373
that. Thanks. Chair. Thank you, Councilor Bennevic. Thank you very

749
02:38:33,373 --> 02:38:38,392
much. And thanks, David, for coming in and. To thumbs

750
02:38:38,392 --> 02:38:39,992
up on the infographic. I saw it on the weekend

751
02:38:39,992 --> 02:38:44,541
on social media and. It was great. So just further

752
02:38:44,541 --> 02:38:47,861
on those allocations, because I do think that this is.

753
02:38:49,521 --> 02:38:54,842
Certainly a step. In the solution going forward. My sense

754
02:38:54,842 --> 02:38:57,442
is that there's a few realities at play right now.

755
02:39:00,301 --> 02:39:02,941
There may be projects that have been on the books

756
02:39:02,941 --> 02:39:05,501
and maybe won't come forward for another five, six, seven

757
02:39:05,501 --> 02:39:07,741
years for a whole variety of reasons. So I think

758
02:39:07,741 --> 02:39:10,901
that's part of what you're talking about. But the other

759
02:39:10,901 --> 02:39:14,941
reality is there are projects because of the economics. The

760
02:39:14,941 --> 02:39:20,418
shift from, let's say, condo development to the rent. Rental

761
02:39:20,418 --> 02:39:23,517
market right now. In terms of projects that are density

762
02:39:23,517 --> 02:39:29,401
related. Folks. May have planning approval for 30 stories, but

763
02:39:29,401 --> 02:39:32,361
the numbers really only make 17 or 18 work, right?

764
02:39:32,361 --> 02:39:35,561
Now. And so is that the kind of stuff you

765
02:39:35,561 --> 02:39:38,561
think we need to really dig deeper with? Yourselves as

766
02:39:38,561 --> 02:39:41,921
an industry to understand and use that as a pathway

767
02:39:41,921 --> 02:39:45,412
to move forward in the short to medium term. Through

768
02:39:45,412 --> 02:39:49,316
the chair? Absolutely. I think. I don't really have much

769
02:39:49,316 --> 02:39:51,316
to add to that, but I think we need to

770
02:39:51,316 --> 02:39:54,036
have these types of conversations. Some will be easier, some

771
02:39:54,036 --> 02:39:58,516
will be more challenging. But again, as you noted the

772
02:39:58,516 --> 02:40:02,756
project financing that may have worked 2018 or 2017 might

773
02:40:02,756 --> 02:40:06,425
not be applicable anymore, right? And, yeah, I think there

774
02:40:06,425 --> 02:40:09,145
needs to be that kind of conversation with the industry

775
02:40:09,145 --> 02:40:13,339
as a whole. You reference a 20% buffer, and that's

776
02:40:13,339 --> 02:40:15,339
obviously something that we're going to need to talk about,

777
02:40:15,339 --> 02:40:20,165
and I know that that's a staff recommendation, but. In

778
02:40:20,165 --> 02:40:24,196
talking to others. And learning about sort of what exists

779
02:40:24,196 --> 02:40:26,636
in other parts of the province and everyone's water. System

780
02:40:26,636 --> 02:40:32,499
is different. But that buffer number seems to be different

781
02:40:32,499 --> 02:40:36,779
in different places. Some of them may be cities that

782
02:40:36,779 --> 02:40:40,059
for example, rely on the lake directly. And that's a

783
02:40:40,059 --> 02:40:46,689
different scenario, obviously, than us. Who rely on groundwater. Primarily

784
02:40:46,689 --> 02:40:50,811
in the river to a certain degree. But. Is there

785
02:40:50,811 --> 02:40:54,745
a question there both in terms of. What's the right

786
02:40:54,745 --> 02:40:58,545
number on a short term basis, and ultimately is 20%

787
02:40:58,545 --> 02:41:00,985
the right? Number on a long term basis. Is that

788
02:41:00,985 --> 02:41:02,585
a little bit of what we're hearing from you folks.

789
02:41:03,920 --> 02:41:07,311
Yeah, through the chair again. I think water is critical

790
02:41:07,311 --> 02:41:09,631
for everything, right? And I think as a region, we

791
02:41:09,631 --> 02:41:13,711
need to protect ourselves long term. So striving for this

792
02:41:13,711 --> 02:41:16,911
resiliency buffer. I'm not an engineer. I don't know what's

793
02:41:16,911 --> 02:41:22,609
commonplace between different municipalities, but again, If this is a

794
02:41:22,609 --> 02:41:24,769
long term goal, treat it as a long term goal.

795
02:41:24,769 --> 02:41:27,449
Accept a certain degree. Of risk in the short term.

796
02:41:29,154 --> 02:41:31,634
Just also recognizing the risks of a potential fallout of

797
02:41:31,634 --> 02:41:35,009
the situation. So, yeah, I think it's a great goal

798
02:41:35,009 --> 02:41:37,889
to work towards ensure that we have a resiliency buffer

799
02:41:37,889 --> 02:41:43,071
there. But I think from my perspective, given. The situation

800
02:41:43,071 --> 02:41:45,231
we find ourselves in. This is something that should be

801
02:41:45,231 --> 02:41:48,431
explored. And last quick question. Both you and Joseph have

802
02:41:48,431 --> 02:41:54,471
referenced the public private working group. Prior to today, has

803
02:41:54,471 --> 02:41:59,066
there been that request? Of our team here at the

804
02:41:59,066 --> 02:42:02,026
region. And any feedback on that, or is this sort

805
02:42:02,026 --> 02:42:08,256
of the first that it's being formally. Requested. Through the

806
02:42:08,256 --> 02:42:11,736
chair. So there's no existing working group, I think, in

807
02:42:11,736 --> 02:42:17,297
different forums. Regional staff are great with meeting with groups

808
02:42:17,297 --> 02:42:20,177
like build Urban, which I represent from a planning perspective.

809
02:42:20,177 --> 02:42:22,937
And they have met with the Home Builders association. But

810
02:42:22,937 --> 02:42:25,497
I think what the industry is really looking for is

811
02:42:25,497 --> 02:42:30,071
just. Clear, consistent messaging on this issue. It could help

812
02:42:30,071 --> 02:42:33,031
with situations like a bank that's knocking on your door.

813
02:42:33,031 --> 02:42:36,121
What's going on in this world? Where financing is in

814
02:42:36,121 --> 02:42:39,761
question. If we have consistent messaging that can be brought

815
02:42:39,761 --> 02:42:42,041
back, it can help. Mitigate some of those issues. So

816
02:42:42,041 --> 02:42:44,721
I don't think there's a formal working group on this

817
02:42:44,721 --> 02:42:47,561
specifically yet with the industry, but certainly something we'd look

818
02:42:47,561 --> 02:42:50,601
to see and because there's sort of a three way

819
02:42:50,601 --> 02:42:55,823
partnership on this issue. The region from water, municipalities, from

820
02:42:55,823 --> 02:42:58,423
planning, and then obviously the industry on this. Would it

821
02:42:58,423 --> 02:43:01,743
be helpful? That there's some representation from area municipalities on

822
02:43:01,743 --> 02:43:05,023
this working group as well. Yes, through the chair? Absolutely.

823
02:43:05,023 --> 02:43:09,938
Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you, Councilor McCabe. Thank

824
02:43:09,938 --> 02:43:12,658
you. And again, thank you, David, for spending. You said

825
02:43:12,658 --> 02:43:16,535
I think upwards of 60 hours over. The recent holiday

826
02:43:16,535 --> 02:43:20,255
season. Answering questions or seeking information. It sounds like we're

827
02:43:20,255 --> 02:43:25,047
in meetings. So thank you for doing that work. It's

828
02:43:25,047 --> 02:43:26,367
obviously not the way people want to spend their time.

829
02:43:27,599 --> 02:43:33,529
Generally speaking. I was going to save this question. For

830
02:43:33,529 --> 02:43:36,209
Melissa Durrell because I know she has communications background, but.

831
02:43:37,646 --> 02:43:40,126
Since you raised it, and you were talking about the

832
02:43:40,126 --> 02:43:45,584
need for consistent, clear communications, can I ask. Do you

833
02:43:45,584 --> 02:43:50,212
have concerns around that? The messaging. Has been inconsistent or

834
02:43:50,212 --> 02:43:55,931
unclear or maybe, I don't know, use another adjective. That

835
02:43:55,931 --> 02:43:59,502
you'd like. How has it sort of been landing? With

836
02:43:59,502 --> 02:44:02,988
the sector. Through the chair. I think this is a

837
02:44:02,988 --> 02:44:08,464
very quickly emerging issue, right? So we were first notified

838
02:44:08,464 --> 02:44:13,352
of this in early December. And limited information was provided

839
02:44:13,352 --> 02:44:16,272
at that time due to a lack of information at

840
02:44:16,272 --> 02:44:18,952
the time, right? There was a need for additional study.

841
02:44:20,572 --> 02:44:22,732
But I think there was a general concern that we

842
02:44:22,732 --> 02:44:25,852
just need improved messaging on this. So I think it

843
02:44:25,852 --> 02:44:28,052
is a new issue. It's not like this is a

844
02:44:28,052 --> 02:44:30,492
long standing thing that we've been aware of as an

845
02:44:30,492 --> 02:44:33,852
industry. So just moving forward, I think it would help.

846
02:44:33,852 --> 02:44:37,957
Both the region as well as the development sector. Just

847
02:44:37,957 --> 02:44:42,882
to understand. What's transpiring. Okay, thank you for that. My

848
02:44:42,882 --> 02:44:46,362
other question for you then is, and I realize I'm

849
02:44:46,362 --> 02:44:48,122
asking you to speak sort of. On behalf of the

850
02:44:48,122 --> 02:44:51,002
whole sector, but you're here, so I'm just wondering. If

851
02:44:51,002 --> 02:44:54,202
you could maybe articulate what you feel are the top.

852
02:44:56,841 --> 02:45:00,241
Short and medium term issues that the sector is facing,

853
02:45:00,241 --> 02:45:03,281
like for the next three months, the next six months.

854
02:45:03,281 --> 02:45:08,796
And really, in 2026, what are the. Key immediate issues

855
02:45:08,796 --> 02:45:11,396
that you want regional council and our staff team to

856
02:45:11,396 --> 02:45:15,509
be thinking about and taking. Action on. Yeah, through the

857
02:45:15,509 --> 02:45:19,629
chair. I think for most developer clients who are looking

858
02:45:19,629 --> 02:45:22,109
to break ground, whether it be a car wash or

859
02:45:22,109 --> 02:45:25,229
a high rise building. Maybe car wash is a bad

860
02:45:25,229 --> 02:45:31,586
example to be. Referencing right now. But. Certainly. It's just

861
02:45:31,586 --> 02:45:35,666
about how will development applications be processed? Are we going

862
02:45:35,666 --> 02:45:37,346
to be able to advance them to a certain point.

863
02:45:37,346 --> 02:45:41,306
We're looking for consistency between the affected municipalities on how

864
02:45:41,306 --> 02:45:45,202
these issues will be treated. I think in addition to

865
02:45:45,202 --> 02:45:50,333
that, I would say. Do we need to go towards

866
02:45:50,333 --> 02:45:53,813
a full halt, or can this be as I mentioned

867
02:45:53,813 --> 02:45:56,693
before, can this be phased in, monitored very closely throughout

868
02:45:56,693 --> 02:45:59,853
the process to allow for certain forms of development. It's

869
02:45:59,853 --> 02:46:03,333
obviously not 2018, when we were really in the thick

870
02:46:03,333 --> 02:46:07,112
of the big boom, but there are projects that. Are

871
02:46:07,112 --> 02:46:08,712
moving forward, and they're projects that are deeply needed in

872
02:46:08,712 --> 02:46:12,752
the community. So how can we facilitate advancing certain projects.

873
02:46:12,752 --> 02:46:16,312
Given the overall situation here and what types of projects

874
02:46:16,312 --> 02:46:20,859
are going to be prioritized. And then I'd say, third,

875
02:46:20,859 --> 02:46:24,219
we just need an understanding of what are the fixes.

876
02:46:24,219 --> 02:46:26,699
The short, medium, long term. We understand. There's that report

877
02:46:26,699 --> 02:46:31,752
coming. But it's raising hairs in the development industry they're

878
02:46:31,752 --> 02:46:36,093
anxious to understand is this going to. Be. How quickly

879
02:46:36,093 --> 02:46:38,053
can these things be actioned? Is this a three year

880
02:46:38,053 --> 02:46:42,333
EA process plus longer build? Out or what are the

881
02:46:42,333 --> 02:46:45,053
short term fixes? We just really need to understand what

882
02:46:45,053 --> 02:46:47,613
it means. And how quickly will they be able to

883
02:46:47,613 --> 02:46:50,293
get back to business? Okay, thanks for that. I really.

884
02:46:50,293 --> 02:46:56,162
Hear the need for urgency. And acceleration. Of that. The

885
02:46:56,162 --> 02:46:58,522
motion that I put forward was to accelerate that list

886
02:46:58,522 --> 02:47:00,722
of repairs so that we at least have a better

887
02:47:00,722 --> 02:47:03,442
understanding more quickly of what are the short, medium and

888
02:47:03,442 --> 02:47:06,722
long term as you just articulated the short, medium, long

889
02:47:06,722 --> 02:47:09,562
term actions that we need to undertake. Thanks very much,

890
02:47:09,562 --> 02:47:13,161
David. For coming in today. Okay. Thank you, David. I

891
02:47:13,161 --> 02:47:17,816
see no further questions. Appreciate you as well, coming in

892
02:47:17,816 --> 02:47:21,215
to speak with us today. Next. I think the next

893
02:47:21,215 --> 02:47:23,815
delegate has withdrawn. So we will move on to Melissa

894
02:47:23,815 --> 02:47:26,215
Durrell, executive officer Bill Derbyn.

895
02:47:38,905 --> 02:47:42,425
Melissa, you've got five minutes. And when that light flashes,

896
02:47:42,425 --> 02:47:45,145
you know you've got. About a minute left. Okay. Thank

897
02:47:45,145 --> 02:47:49,985
you very much. So, good morning, chair, regional counselors staff

898
02:47:49,985 --> 02:47:52,585
as well, as mentioned, my name is Melissa Durle, and

899
02:47:52,585 --> 02:47:54,945
I'm here on behalf of build. Urban, which is a

900
02:47:54,945 --> 02:48:02,253
coalition of about 17. Developers actively building housing, commercial mixed

901
02:48:02,253 --> 02:48:05,613
use projects across Waterloo region. So I want to be

902
02:48:05,613 --> 02:48:09,133
clear at the outset, we fully support the region's responsibility

903
02:48:09,133 --> 02:48:13,738
to provide a safe, reliable drinking water supply. Protecting water

904
02:48:13,738 --> 02:48:17,618
sustainability is essential, and the development industry does not dispute

905
02:48:17,618 --> 02:48:20,458
that what we're here to talk about today is clarity,

906
02:48:20,458 --> 02:48:24,618
coordination and timing. The reason is advised that it cannot

907
02:48:24,618 --> 02:48:27,858
support approval. Of new development applications in the Mannheim service

908
02:48:27,858 --> 02:48:29,578
area at this time, and it will not enter into

909
02:48:29,578 --> 02:48:33,736
new servicing agreements, and this has had significant impacts. For

910
02:48:33,736 --> 02:48:36,856
projects already in the planning and approval pipeline. Many of

911
02:48:36,856 --> 02:48:40,856
these projects were approved or advanced under previous growth assumptions,

912
02:48:40,856 --> 02:48:45,696
and developers have already invested heavily in land planning, design,

913
02:48:45,696 --> 02:48:50,536
engineering, and finance when servicing expectations change. Without clear timelines

914
02:48:50,536 --> 02:48:55,175
or path forward, uncertainty takes hold. An uncertainty is the

915
02:48:55,175 --> 02:49:00,095
real issue here. Every project depends on financing. Banks and

916
02:49:00,095 --> 02:49:04,575
lenders and institutional investors are deeply involved at every stage

917
02:49:04,575 --> 02:49:08,655
and their highly risk adverse when approvals, servicing and timelines

918
02:49:08,655 --> 02:49:12,695
become unclear, capital looks elsewhere. This is not speculation. This

919
02:49:12,695 --> 02:49:15,548
is already happening. And it's important to be precise here

920
02:49:15,548 --> 02:49:18,268
because the region is indicated, it cannot approve new applications

921
02:49:18,268 --> 02:49:20,708
at this time, but it is not issued an outright

922
02:49:20,708 --> 02:49:23,908
ban on development. So the current lack of clarity around

923
02:49:23,908 --> 02:49:27,588
what can proceed under what conditions and on what timeline

924
02:49:27,588 --> 02:49:31,428
is being interpreted by the market as an increased risk

925
02:49:31,428 --> 02:49:35,346
that perception alone can delay or redirect. Investment. Even while

926
02:49:35,346 --> 02:49:39,386
technical work continues behind the scenes, we are hearing inconsistent

927
02:49:39,386 --> 02:49:42,306
messages are on the ground. Some planners are suggesting projects

928
02:49:42,306 --> 02:49:44,946
may still move forward, while others are advising that applications

929
02:49:44,946 --> 02:49:49,626
cannot advance. That inconsistency creates confusion not just for builders

930
02:49:49,626 --> 02:49:52,986
but for municipalities, consultants, lenders who are all trying to

931
02:49:52,986 --> 02:49:56,690
interpret the same. Information differently. So the question our build

932
02:49:56,690 --> 02:50:00,530
urban members are asking is very simple, what can proceed

933
02:50:00,530 --> 02:50:04,718
and how quickly can this issue be resolved? Another important

934
02:50:04,718 --> 02:50:09,678
factor is the application of a 20% operational resiliency buffer.

935
02:50:09,678 --> 02:50:13,358
This is significant. Requirement with major implications for development. While

936
02:50:13,358 --> 02:50:16,678
resiliency is important, applying such a conservative threshold at this

937
02:50:16,678 --> 02:50:20,518
time, we believe, is premature. Projects in the planning and

938
02:50:20,518 --> 02:50:24,790
approval pipeline require clarity and stability. First so that. Necessary

939
02:50:24,790 --> 02:50:28,590
adjustments can be made without creating unnecessary risks or delays.

940
02:50:28,590 --> 02:50:30,350
So that brings me to the request. Which you've heard,

941
02:50:30,350 --> 02:50:33,230
and I'll reiterate it one more time, Bill Durban. Is

942
02:50:33,230 --> 02:50:36,590
looking for a creation, the immediate creation of an industry

943
02:50:36,590 --> 02:50:41,870
water capacity task force working alongside regional staff, municipalities and

944
02:50:41,870 --> 02:50:46,071
technical teams. This task force must. Include active builders and

945
02:50:46,071 --> 02:50:49,631
developers who can provide real world input on phasing, timing

946
02:50:49,631 --> 02:50:53,006
and feasibility. And we're also urging the region to continue

947
02:50:53,006 --> 02:50:56,886
advancing applications through planning and approval stages where possible. Where

948
02:50:56,886 --> 02:51:02,191
possible. While infrastructure challenges are being investigated and addressed, allowing

949
02:51:02,191 --> 02:51:06,551
projects to continue to move through formative stages. Helps avoid

950
02:51:06,551 --> 02:51:11,471
a future backlog and provides confidence to financial partners and

951
02:51:11,471 --> 02:51:15,792
the region that we are actively managing this issue. Finally,

952
02:51:15,792 --> 02:51:17,792
we're asking the region to be consistent in its public

953
02:51:17,792 --> 02:51:22,472
communications, language matters, technical statements. When not paired with clear

954
02:51:22,472 --> 02:51:26,872
next steps and timelines can unintentionally signal instability. To investors

955
02:51:26,872 --> 02:51:32,113
and employers. Clear, plain language communication will help maintain confidence

956
02:51:32,113 --> 02:51:36,313
while solutions are being developed. Builders matter to this region.

957
02:51:36,313 --> 02:51:40,233
And we're delivering the housing, employment opportunities and economic activity

958
02:51:40,233 --> 02:51:44,546
that. Communities depend on. As mentioned, there's thousands of people

959
02:51:44,546 --> 02:51:46,706
that are employed here, and we continue to invest because

960
02:51:46,706 --> 02:51:50,391
we believe in this region. But if this issue drags

961
02:51:50,391 --> 02:51:53,951
on without clarity, investment is going to slow. So, to

962
02:51:53,951 --> 02:51:57,511
summarize, first clarity. We would like clear answers on what

963
02:51:57,511 --> 02:52:00,471
can proceed now and how quickly capacity constraints can be

964
02:52:00,471 --> 02:52:04,351
resolved. Regional councilor McCabe has a motion to that effect.

965
02:52:05,590 --> 02:52:08,870
Second, direct industry involvement and immediate industry water capacity task

966
02:52:08,870 --> 02:52:12,470
force with real builder representation and access to data and

967
02:52:12,470 --> 02:52:16,550
assumptions that are driving the decisions. And third, urgency and

968
02:52:16,550 --> 02:52:21,251
consistency. Coordinated action and consistent messaging across the region and

969
02:52:21,251 --> 02:52:26,011
local municipalities while maintaining a safe and reliable water supply.

970
02:52:26,011 --> 02:52:30,131
This is a serious issue, but it's solvable. Build urban

971
02:52:30,131 --> 02:52:33,371
stands ready to work. With the region to find practical

972
02:52:33,371 --> 02:52:37,771
solutions and keep housing and employment development moving responsibly. Thank

973
02:52:37,771 --> 02:52:40,456
you. Thank you, Melissa. We do have a few questions

974
02:52:40,456 --> 02:52:44,576
from councilors. Councilor Bennevik. Thanks. Very much. And thanks, Melissa,

975
02:52:44,576 --> 02:52:48,330
for being here today. And I think. It's actually really

976
02:52:48,330 --> 02:52:50,370
helpful that you're here because not only are you bringing

977
02:52:50,370 --> 02:52:53,010
wearing your current hat, but you also sat around to

978
02:52:53,010 --> 02:52:57,487
council horseshoe before, and so. You kind of have. Lived

979
02:52:57,487 --> 02:53:00,671
experience in terms of. How all of this is playing

980
02:53:00,671 --> 02:53:05,207
out. My first question to you is you talked about

981
02:53:05,207 --> 02:53:10,427
the importance of clear language. How this is impacting financial

982
02:53:10,427 --> 02:53:14,307
market investors. The whole piece around being open for business.

983
02:53:15,865 --> 02:53:18,465
And that is probably the consistent message that I'm hearing

984
02:53:18,465 --> 02:53:24,228
from so many in different sectors. And I'm just wondering.

985
02:53:25,178 --> 02:53:29,114
Particularly. As someone who has sat on our side of

986
02:53:29,114 --> 02:53:32,274
the horseshoe, but also as a communicator. How important is

987
02:53:32,274 --> 02:53:35,114
that and how critical is that in order to make

988
02:53:35,114 --> 02:53:38,634
sure we're not jeopardizing future investment, not just in the

989
02:53:38,634 --> 02:53:42,799
short term, but in the longer term. We can manage

990
02:53:42,799 --> 02:53:45,279
what we're say around this horseshoe. But what gets set

991
02:53:45,279 --> 02:53:49,565
outside? Really? Really. Matters. And while no one in this

992
02:53:49,565 --> 02:53:53,165
room has said stop development entirely, that is what's being

993
02:53:53,165 --> 02:53:57,685
said in the comment sections, in headlines from other leaders

994
02:53:57,685 --> 02:54:00,405
in this community. They're talking about is Waterlooe region clothes

995
02:54:00,405 --> 02:54:02,685
for business. They're asking these kinds of questions right now.

996
02:54:04,057 --> 02:54:06,297
That is absolutely not the right kind of messaging. We

997
02:54:06,297 --> 02:54:08,537
want out about this community. I think we really need

998
02:54:08,537 --> 02:54:11,854
to be careful about how we're talking about. What this

999
02:54:11,854 --> 02:54:14,934
issue is and how we're solving it and being very

1000
02:54:14,934 --> 02:54:19,437
proactive around that. And I think because. It's been so

1001
02:54:19,437 --> 02:54:23,773
ambiguous that people are filling in the gaps. This is

1002
02:54:23,773 --> 02:54:27,213
a million billion dollar issue. Like millions today, billions in

1003
02:54:27,213 --> 02:54:30,573
the next decade issue. So, yes. People are looking for

1004
02:54:30,573 --> 02:54:32,973
answers. And when we look for answers, we look all

1005
02:54:32,973 --> 02:54:35,333
over. And what you're seeing out there in those headlines

1006
02:54:35,333 --> 02:54:37,453
and in the comments are people trying to fill in.

1007
02:54:37,453 --> 02:54:40,173
The gaps has to be really strong. Regional message we

1008
02:54:40,173 --> 02:54:43,213
are open for business. We have enough water. We're working.

1009
02:54:43,790 --> 02:54:46,870
On solutions to get more water available. That kind of

1010
02:54:46,870 --> 02:54:51,508
language matters. Okay. Thank you. And I guess just elaborating

1011
02:54:51,508 --> 02:54:56,276
on that. In terms of the messaging and no disrespect

1012
02:54:56,276 --> 02:55:00,196
to the companies because they're an important part of this,

1013
02:55:00,196 --> 02:55:03,036
but I think really how this hits home to people

1014
02:55:03,036 --> 02:55:08,521
in the community. Is how this is or isn't addressing

1015
02:55:08,521 --> 02:55:13,352
the housing crisis and. How it's in reality going to

1016
02:55:13,352 --> 02:55:19,066
potentially impact the thousands of jobs in our community. And

1017
02:55:19,066 --> 02:55:22,066
wondering if you can speak to the importance of really

1018
02:55:22,066 --> 02:55:26,933
honing in on that from a community perspective. Yeah. I

1019
02:55:26,933 --> 02:55:30,253
mean, I was at your council, Mayor Verbanovic, not too

1020
02:55:30,253 --> 02:55:34,327
long ago. Where? Regional council here talking about the encampments.

1021
02:55:34,327 --> 02:55:36,887
We know that housing is a massive issue here. And

1022
02:55:36,887 --> 02:55:40,102
so I think. What we need to be talking about

1023
02:55:40,102 --> 02:55:43,462
is how we open up capacity. Our eye is still

1024
02:55:43,462 --> 02:55:46,062
on the number one goal, which is creating housing in

1025
02:55:46,062 --> 02:55:49,822
this community along the housing continuum. And so what? Does

1026
02:55:49,822 --> 02:55:52,898
that look like? We have small fixes that can happen,

1027
02:55:52,898 --> 02:55:56,378
medium term fixes and large long term fixes. We are

1028
02:55:56,378 --> 02:55:58,978
open for business in this community. And so my last

1029
02:55:58,978 --> 02:56:02,476
question to you. Is a number of us. I think

1030
02:56:02,476 --> 02:56:05,516
four or five of us have motions that we're planning

1031
02:56:05,516 --> 02:56:08,556
on bringing forward as the day goes on. We're one

1032
02:56:08,556 --> 02:56:10,676
of the ones that I'm focusing in on is the

1033
02:56:10,676 --> 02:56:16,810
need. For the region to share its data. With both

1034
02:56:16,810 --> 02:56:22,780
the area municipalities. And. The industry for two reasons. Number

1035
02:56:22,780 --> 02:56:27,031
one, So that everybody has that access to that data

1036
02:56:27,031 --> 02:56:30,431
and can really dig in and have a deep understanding

1037
02:56:30,431 --> 02:56:34,166
of what's being talked about. But secondly, Just in the

1038
02:56:34,166 --> 02:56:38,805
interest of full transparency. So that this is a big

1039
02:56:38,805 --> 02:56:43,565
issue. And the more information that's there, reliable, trusted information.

1040
02:56:43,565 --> 02:56:46,525
And you don't get any more reliable than good data.

1041
02:56:48,440 --> 02:56:50,920
I'm wondering if, from an industry perspective, if you have

1042
02:56:50,920 --> 02:56:55,440
a thought on the importance of that motion and sharing

1043
02:56:55,440 --> 02:56:59,159
the sharing of that data. Thank you, Councilor thie chair.

1044
02:56:59,159 --> 02:57:01,799
I really think that you've nailed it when you talk

1045
02:57:01,799 --> 02:57:04,359
about the fact that transparency and having eyeballs on that

1046
02:57:04,359 --> 02:57:07,498
data is important. There has been a little bit of

1047
02:57:07,498 --> 02:57:11,535
a loss of trust over the last. I guess since

1048
02:57:11,535 --> 02:57:16,114
December. 9th not doing just over a month. We don't

1049
02:57:16,114 --> 02:57:18,154
have answers. We don't know what projects are moving forward.

1050
02:57:19,899 --> 02:57:22,452
We don't know. We don't know. We don't know. The

1051
02:57:22,452 --> 02:57:26,772
quickest way to start to remedy that is to have

1052
02:57:26,772 --> 02:57:28,372
what we're proposing and this is one of the things

1053
02:57:28,372 --> 02:57:30,852
we've talked about within the industry. What can we do?

1054
02:57:30,852 --> 02:57:34,959
To start. To understand what's going on behind the curtain

1055
02:57:34,959 --> 02:57:37,399
is to have eyeballs in there. We're not talking about

1056
02:57:37,399 --> 02:57:39,799
a ton of people. This has to be efficient. We

1057
02:57:39,799 --> 02:57:43,359
don't. Want to create another. Place where everybody's going to

1058
02:57:43,359 --> 02:57:46,039
be sitting and wasting hours and hours of time. This

1059
02:57:46,039 --> 02:57:48,359
cannot. Be done in an email. This is the kind

1060
02:57:48,359 --> 02:57:50,879
of task force that's actually going to come up with

1061
02:57:50,879 --> 02:57:53,799
solutions and move things forward and then be able to

1062
02:57:53,799 --> 02:57:56,799
report back to the home. Builders build urban and the

1063
02:57:56,799 --> 02:58:01,079
other organizations. I think it's imperative from this moment forward

1064
02:58:01,079 --> 02:58:04,531
that. Moving on that the industry is involved and actually

1065
02:58:04,531 --> 02:58:08,582
sees the data. Thank you so much. Thank you, Councilor

1066
02:58:08,582 --> 02:58:11,462
McKay. Thank you very much. And thank you again, Melissa,

1067
02:58:11,462 --> 02:58:12,942
for coming in and. For the work that you do.

1068
02:58:14,090 --> 02:58:16,090
With the build urban and the development community and the

1069
02:58:16,090 --> 02:58:18,730
public service they've provided, and I just have to say

1070
02:58:18,730 --> 02:58:20,970
it's great to see a woman up here as well,

1071
02:58:20,970 --> 02:58:23,490
representing the development community, so don't want that to go

1072
02:58:23,490 --> 02:58:27,086
unnoticed. I was going to ask you some communications questions.

1073
02:58:28,788 --> 02:58:33,168
But councilor Verbanovic covered most of those. But just the

1074
02:58:33,168 --> 02:58:36,768
one communications question I will ask you. Putting that hat

1075
02:58:36,768 --> 02:58:40,771
of yours on. Like you're talking about. It sounds like

1076
02:58:40,771 --> 02:58:43,211
the lack of clarity and the lack of consistency. In

1077
02:58:43,211 --> 02:58:48,657
that. It sounds like. You're not getting the information that

1078
02:58:48,657 --> 02:58:52,214
we think we're providing. So I'm just wondering if you

1079
02:58:52,214 --> 02:58:55,974
had any specific comments on changes you'd like. To see

1080
02:58:55,974 --> 02:58:59,734
to the communication and the key messages that we are

1081
02:58:59,734 --> 02:59:04,211
sending or some advice. Yeah. There's really two parts to

1082
02:59:04,211 --> 02:59:07,171
this. I think overall, our industry needs better insight into

1083
02:59:07,171 --> 02:59:11,900
what's happening? In water management. In this region at this

1084
02:59:11,900 --> 02:59:18,934
time. This. Has been a huge issue for my industry.

1085
02:59:20,134 --> 02:59:24,334
For the development industry. Massive. And when things happen, people

1086
02:59:24,334 --> 02:59:26,734
start to pick up the phone and what has happened

1087
02:59:26,734 --> 02:59:31,054
is we're getting different information from different groups, from planners,

1088
02:59:31,054 --> 02:59:35,728
from municipals, municipal staff or regional staff, so. I do

1089
02:59:35,728 --> 02:59:41,694
think. There needs to be. A combined effort from the

1090
02:59:41,694 --> 02:59:44,094
region and the municipalities to come forward and to say

1091
02:59:44,094 --> 02:59:48,199
this is the plan going forward. We have projects, we

1092
02:59:48,199 --> 02:59:49,799
don't know whether they're going to move forward or not.

1093
02:59:49,799 --> 02:59:54,084
They've been approved. We do not know. Unbelievable in this

1094
02:59:54,084 --> 02:59:57,204
community today. Yeah. Okay, so we need to know more.

1095
02:59:59,069 --> 03:00:01,149
Something that has that task force that you're talking about.

1096
03:00:04,381 --> 03:00:07,541
It is a real challenge, like in Waterloo, we've got

1097
03:00:07,541 --> 03:00:13,862
around 4100 housing units for 2026. That we need to

1098
03:00:13,862 --> 03:00:17,665
figure out an answer for. Multiply that by how much

1099
03:00:17,665 --> 03:00:20,425
that's worth and think about the industry right now and.

1100
03:00:20,425 --> 03:00:23,749
How stressed out. Yeah. So I can certainly do the

1101
03:00:23,749 --> 03:00:28,539
multiplication effect of that. I'm just with the task force,

1102
03:00:28,539 --> 03:00:31,975
and I understand. It needs to be nimble and we

1103
03:00:31,975 --> 03:00:34,415
need to have decision makers at the table and all.

1104
03:00:34,415 --> 03:00:37,655
That kind of stuff. I'm just wondering from the conservation

1105
03:00:37,655 --> 03:00:42,441
side of it about having. Some representatives from reap green

1106
03:00:42,441 --> 03:00:47,617
solution sustainable Waterloo. Representatives like that, if you'd be open

1107
03:00:47,617 --> 03:00:50,617
to that, in addition to, I think, the reference was

1108
03:00:50,617 --> 03:00:54,457
already made to having airy municipalities on that table, too.

1109
03:00:54,457 --> 03:00:58,455
I'm conscious of not getting it too big. But also

1110
03:00:58,455 --> 03:01:03,335
we've heard from David and Joseph around conservation methods and

1111
03:01:03,335 --> 03:01:06,680
things that we need. To be considering as well. So

1112
03:01:06,680 --> 03:01:09,240
I think I'm curious about the lens that they would

1113
03:01:09,240 --> 03:01:12,600
bring to a table like you're suggesting, so just interested

1114
03:01:12,600 --> 03:01:16,246
in your comments on that. I think that there's room

1115
03:01:16,246 --> 03:01:20,069
for that in the future, but today. What I would

1116
03:01:20,069 --> 03:01:24,455
like to see. Is. Would be one of our developers

1117
03:01:24,455 --> 03:01:27,895
who would be a water engineer. I think the people

1118
03:01:27,895 --> 03:01:29,615
around that table need to know what they're looking at

1119
03:01:29,615 --> 03:01:31,815
when they're looking at those numbers. So that we can

1120
03:01:31,815 --> 03:01:35,175
be lean, mean and nimble at the beginning. If in

1121
03:01:35,175 --> 03:01:37,455
the future, as we move into the medium and long

1122
03:01:37,455 --> 03:01:41,758
term goals, we expand to consumption, which I think. Is

1123
03:01:41,758 --> 03:01:45,638
really a good idea around conservation. I think that that

1124
03:01:45,638 --> 03:01:49,238
point, perhaps the task force could increase but I think

1125
03:01:49,238 --> 03:01:52,198
today what we need to actually see is what does

1126
03:01:52,198 --> 03:01:56,305
this well do? If we fix this, this will allow

1127
03:01:56,305 --> 03:01:58,665
this much more development. I think we're at that. Micro

1128
03:01:58,665 --> 03:02:01,705
stage right now, which the fewer people around that table

1129
03:02:01,705 --> 03:02:03,825
to be able to make decisions to move and allow

1130
03:02:03,825 --> 03:02:07,791
development to happen. Is the number one goal, and then

1131
03:02:07,791 --> 03:02:10,231
we can move on to other ideas later. Okay, thanks

1132
03:02:10,231 --> 03:02:15,231
for that. That's helpful information. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Rodriguez.

1133
03:02:15,231 --> 03:02:19,624
You're next. Thanks for coming in, Melissa. I appreciate the

1134
03:02:19,624 --> 03:02:23,784
beginning. You acknowledge the challenge that we're confronted with, right?

1135
03:02:23,784 --> 03:02:26,424
There's this engineering challenge, and there's this. I'm happy I'm

1136
03:02:26,424 --> 03:02:30,620
here. This real challenge that we have to grapple with.

1137
03:02:32,224 --> 03:02:37,314
But acknowledging that and going forward. So what from now

1138
03:02:37,314 --> 03:02:39,114
do you have a sense from your members and the

1139
03:02:39,114 --> 03:02:41,634
folks that you're. Talking to that there is an openness.

1140
03:02:42,821 --> 03:02:45,381
And a receptiveness to a nuanced approach to this, that

1141
03:02:45,381 --> 03:02:49,057
this isn't. Normal times that. There may have to be

1142
03:02:49,057 --> 03:02:51,617
some winners. There might have to be some things that,

1143
03:02:51,617 --> 03:02:55,017
some tough conversations but that those conversations are important to

1144
03:02:55,017 --> 03:02:57,777
have about what can happen right now, what can happen

1145
03:02:57,777 --> 03:02:59,137
at the end of this year. What can happen for

1146
03:02:59,137 --> 03:03:02,591
this construction season? Is that something that you're hearing as

1147
03:03:02,591 --> 03:03:06,311
an openness, that there's different pathways? For different types of

1148
03:03:06,311 --> 03:03:13,032
projects. Councilor, we are open. We don't know anything. We

1149
03:03:13,032 --> 03:03:15,832
don't know what's on the table, who might have to

1150
03:03:15,832 --> 03:03:18,693
say I'm. Going to. Take. I'll put my building on

1151
03:03:18,693 --> 03:03:22,507
hold for two. We don't know anything. So at this

1152
03:03:22,507 --> 03:03:25,807
point, I can't chris a ball to say what we

1153
03:03:25,807 --> 03:03:28,537
can look at for the next bit. What we really

1154
03:03:28,537 --> 03:03:31,508
want to know today is. What are those? Not Q

1155
03:03:31,508 --> 03:03:36,350
one. But beginning, end of January, if that motion goes

1156
03:03:36,350 --> 03:03:39,510
forward, what are those short term fixes that can allow

1157
03:03:39,510 --> 03:03:43,870
growth to happen. I know my developers build urban members

1158
03:03:43,870 --> 03:03:48,350
are open to having conversations 100% the region's success is

1159
03:03:48,350 --> 03:03:51,867
our success, like we all are in this together. But

1160
03:03:51,867 --> 03:03:54,884
at this point, I think that crystal ball thinking we're

1161
03:03:54,884 --> 03:03:58,283
just not even there yet. We have to really dive

1162
03:03:58,283 --> 03:04:00,083
into it. Really dive into it. I mean, we're at

1163
03:04:00,083 --> 03:04:02,996
a point now where. We're talking. We need to stop

1164
03:04:02,996 --> 03:04:04,956
talking and start doing. And I know that that's. What's

1165
03:04:04,956 --> 03:04:08,992
part of today is about, but. That's. How big of

1166
03:04:08,992 --> 03:04:14,182
a deal. This is tough. Really appreciate it. Thanks. Thank

1167
03:04:14,182 --> 03:04:17,750
you, Chair Redmond. So, Melissa, thank you for coming in.

1168
03:04:17,750 --> 03:04:19,950
And I just want to quote one of the things

1169
03:04:19,950 --> 03:04:21,710
you said at the very beginning, and that is, this

1170
03:04:21,710 --> 03:04:24,630
is a huge issue, but it's solvable the only way

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03:04:24,630 --> 03:04:27,710
it's solvable is we all work together. One of the

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03:04:27,710 --> 03:04:31,991
communication challenges. I think for all of us, and I've

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03:04:31,991 --> 03:04:33,991
talked lots of people in this room and lots of

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03:04:33,991 --> 03:04:36,031
developers outside of this room, and I'm sure other people

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03:04:36,031 --> 03:04:38,591
around the horse. You have as well. I started out

1176
03:04:38,591 --> 03:04:40,911
saying, we don't know what we don't know. This is

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03:04:40,911 --> 03:04:45,016
a very iterative process. As we go along, we look

1178
03:04:45,016 --> 03:04:47,416
at the measurement, and I'm sure, I'm confident. Everyone will

1179
03:04:47,416 --> 03:04:50,874
stay here and listen to our staff report. In some

1180
03:04:50,874 --> 03:04:53,194
of the motions that have been coming forward, but it's

1181
03:04:53,194 --> 03:04:57,754
very difficult to give. Clarity of communication. When it's iterative,

1182
03:04:57,754 --> 03:05:02,594
it harkens back to the Covid-19. Pandemic to me when

1183
03:05:02,594 --> 03:05:06,034
science told us different things, when experts made it more

1184
03:05:06,034 --> 03:05:08,914
clarified when we would be able to be more focused.

1185
03:05:08,914 --> 03:05:13,055
We were then. Able to make different decisions. Every conversation

1186
03:05:13,055 --> 03:05:15,975
that I've had with a provincial minister is that they're

1187
03:05:15,975 --> 03:05:19,135
open to hearing what our solutions are, but how do

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03:05:19,135 --> 03:05:21,815
we grapple with the fact that this is a moving

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03:05:21,815 --> 03:05:24,895
target, and we know more every day, and we're sort

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03:05:24,895 --> 03:05:28,251
of focusing in on what those. Solutions are, which clearly

1191
03:05:28,251 --> 03:05:30,531
we all have to work in tandem. And I hear

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03:05:30,531 --> 03:05:33,731
loud and clear from many of the delegations that involving

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03:05:33,731 --> 03:05:36,371
the development community is a really smart way to move

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03:05:36,371 --> 03:05:39,811
forward. But the message is going to change as it

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03:05:39,811 --> 03:05:44,072
becomes clarified. And that's good practice. Don't say what you

1196
03:05:44,072 --> 03:05:49,699
don't know, but at the same time. Be really careful

1197
03:05:49,699 --> 03:05:54,103
about what you're saying, because when you say. That we

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03:05:54,103 --> 03:06:00,176
are pausing all development. That has a massive implication. I

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03:06:00,176 --> 03:06:04,416
mean, I question whether that was needed. Maybe the third

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03:06:04,416 --> 03:06:08,576
party report where actually we understand what this actually looks

1201
03:06:08,576 --> 03:06:12,714
like. That actually will give you answers. So that's something

1202
03:06:12,714 --> 03:06:16,654
that we can talk about right now. All we know

1203
03:06:16,654 --> 03:06:19,866
is that. We don't know what we don't know, and

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03:06:19,866 --> 03:06:23,374
that's really hard. Again, thank you for coming in. And

1205
03:06:23,374 --> 03:06:25,294
just know that you have our commitment that we will

1206
03:06:25,294 --> 03:06:27,294
journey together because we all have to be part of

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03:06:27,294 --> 03:06:32,814
the solution. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Salanin thank

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03:06:32,814 --> 03:06:35,014
you. Through you chair. Thank you very much, Melissa, for

1209
03:06:35,014 --> 03:06:37,894
being here today and I really just want to say

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03:06:37,894 --> 03:06:40,334
thank you for echoing a lot of the concerns that

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03:06:40,334 --> 03:06:44,337
I know. I have had throughout. This process. But also

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03:06:44,337 --> 03:06:48,302
I appreciate hearing that feedback. Because for me, I'm trying

1213
03:06:48,302 --> 03:06:51,382
to reconcile what I thought had been shared or communicated

1214
03:06:51,382 --> 03:06:54,472
effectively. And clearly it's not coming off the same way,

1215
03:06:54,472 --> 03:06:57,832
so I really appreciate you highlighting that. Hopefully that will

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03:06:57,832 --> 03:07:01,072
be reflected in the motions that I know myself and

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03:07:01,072 --> 03:07:04,171
some of my other colleagues. Are bringing forward today. Thank

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03:07:04,171 --> 03:07:09,947
you. Thank you, Councilor Shawn. Thank you. Thanks, Melissa, for

1219
03:07:09,947 --> 03:07:12,992
coming in as well. One of the notes I put

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03:07:12,992 --> 03:07:18,272
down chair Redmond spoke about was Covid. When we had

1221
03:07:18,272 --> 03:07:21,912
information coming in and had to sort of put it

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03:07:21,912 --> 03:07:24,752
all together and figure out what we're. Going to do

1223
03:07:24,752 --> 03:07:29,731
with it. And then inviting the community. And I'm hoping

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03:07:29,731 --> 03:07:34,356
that's the process that's going to happen here. You talked

1225
03:07:34,356 --> 03:07:37,131
about it being a month. It was a month and

1226
03:07:37,131 --> 03:07:40,451
a month over holidays and everything else, so I think

1227
03:07:40,451 --> 03:07:44,448
we've been trying to move really quickly. And our planners,

1228
03:07:44,448 --> 03:07:48,648
CIOs heads of council have been meeting and just trying

1229
03:07:48,648 --> 03:07:52,048
to wrap our heads around it before we invite the

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03:07:52,048 --> 03:07:55,208
community, but I really appreciate you pointing out that the

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03:07:55,208 --> 03:08:00,855
community needs more and better information. And I, too, hope

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03:08:00,855 --> 03:08:06,330
that that's forthcoming soon. Thank you. Thank you, Melissa. I

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03:08:06,330 --> 03:08:09,090
see no further questions. Thank you for taking the time

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03:08:09,090 --> 03:08:14,284
to come in this. Morning. Okay, next. We have Larry

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03:08:14,284 --> 03:08:18,724
Katsuff, vice president, real Estate development, Solo Wave Investments Limited.

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03:08:20,654 --> 03:08:30,105
You have five minutes, Larry. Chair James and members of

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03:08:30,105 --> 03:08:35,024
committee. My name is Larry Kotsuff, and I'm the vice

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03:08:35,024 --> 03:08:39,144
president of real estate development. For solar wave investments in

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03:08:39,144 --> 03:08:42,759
the city of Waterloo. I'm here this morning on behalf

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03:08:42,759 --> 03:08:45,999
of the company regarding the redevelopment of a former crowd.

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03:08:45,999 --> 03:08:50,439
Carpet factory site at 65 Northfield Road west in the

1242
03:08:50,439 --> 03:08:55,292
city of Waterloo. Madam chair. All of us, as community

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03:08:55,292 --> 03:08:59,292
builders and leaders within Waterley Region, are yet again facing

1244
03:08:59,292 --> 03:09:03,892
the challenge that needs to be addressed expeditiously and collectively.

1245
03:09:05,700 --> 03:09:08,220
We are here as part of the solution as we

1246
03:09:08,220 --> 03:09:11,060
move forward to advance ways and means to deal with

1247
03:09:11,060 --> 03:09:17,336
the water capacity issue identified. At Mannheim. The solutions will

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03:09:17,336 --> 03:09:22,136
be evolutionary. We realize that, but immediate action by council

1249
03:09:22,136 --> 03:09:27,808
is necessary. I'm confident that the challenge. Can and will

1250
03:09:27,808 --> 03:09:32,215
be dealt with appropriately. However. Madam Chair, we are seeking

1251
03:09:32,215 --> 03:09:36,942
some clarifications and I will begin by. Setting the context.

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03:09:38,384 --> 03:09:43,678
Our property. Is located immediately east of Highway 85 and

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03:09:43,678 --> 03:09:46,758
south of Northfield Drive in the city and consists of

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03:09:46,758 --> 03:09:52,210
7.27 know that members are familiar with the property. The

1255
03:09:52,210 --> 03:09:54,970
redevelopment of our site is divided into two stages to

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03:09:54,970 --> 03:10:01,528
provide for residential and commercial uses. The respective planning instruments,

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03:10:01,528 --> 03:10:05,168
official plan zoning bylaw, draft plan of subdivision are approved

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03:10:05,168 --> 03:10:08,690
and in effect. I would like to focus on the

1259
03:10:08,690 --> 03:10:13,172
first stage. Stage A. This stage. Will consist of six

1260
03:10:13,172 --> 03:10:18,916
buildings that will accommodate approximately 1600 residential units. Located short

1261
03:10:18,916 --> 03:10:24,077
walking distances from the Northfield and Conestoga LRT stations. The

1262
03:10:24,077 --> 03:10:27,837
registration of stage A and approval of site plan application

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03:10:27,837 --> 03:10:30,357
for the first building located at the corner of Northfield

1264
03:10:30,357 --> 03:10:35,058
Drive in Conestoga Road are imminent also. We have met

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03:10:35,058 --> 03:10:39,698
with city building staff. And are collaboratively working with them

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03:10:39,698 --> 03:10:43,258
on our detailed drawings. We are hopeful to begin construction

1267
03:10:43,258 --> 03:10:48,384
of our first building early this summer. Madam chair. Our

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03:10:48,384 --> 03:10:51,424
request for clarification is regarding the statement on page eight

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03:10:51,424 --> 03:10:55,882
in paragraph two of the staff report. That I quote,

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03:10:55,882 --> 03:11:00,322
the region is not entering into new servicing agreements and

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03:11:00,322 --> 03:11:03,762
how this statement applies to the crosslands that are already

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03:11:03,762 --> 03:11:09,332
fully serviced. The analysis conducted by engineering consultants at Walter

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03:11:09,332 --> 03:11:12,892
Fetty and attached to my letter of January 9. 2026.

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03:11:14,309 --> 03:11:16,909
Indicates that the historic water demand of the cross carpet

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03:11:16,909 --> 03:11:21,629
factory exceeds the demand proposed through the approval of residential

1276
03:11:21,629 --> 03:11:26,189
development in stage a. The Walter Fetty report indicates that

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03:11:26,189 --> 03:11:29,309
no new water capacity for development of stage a is

1278
03:11:29,309 --> 03:11:32,869
requested and secondly, that stage a would be serviced with

1279
03:11:32,869 --> 03:11:36,934
a lower demand. On water. Supply than the cross operations.

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03:11:36,934 --> 03:11:43,099
Specifically, Walter Fetty. 's analysis indicates that the demand on

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03:11:43,099 --> 03:11:46,579
water supply would be reduced as a result of the

1282
03:11:46,579 --> 03:11:52,142
redevelopment. Further, the buildout of stage A is anticipated to

1283
03:11:52,142 --> 03:11:57,452
occur over approximately 20 years. Which spreads water needs over

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03:11:57,452 --> 03:12:02,332
a considerable time period. This net reduction in water supply

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03:12:02,332 --> 03:12:05,292
is in line with recommendation number six of appendix V

1286
03:12:05,292 --> 03:12:10,889
of the staff report. Here. The consultant. Agile infrastructure limited

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03:12:10,889 --> 03:12:15,289
through its water supply. Peer review and assessment recommends a

1288
03:12:15,289 --> 03:12:18,809
short term action to aid the region in better addressing

1289
03:12:18,809 --> 03:12:22,929
immediate needs, including recommendation number six on page 42 of

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03:12:22,929 --> 03:12:28,339
the report, which states. Working with industry experts to identify

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03:12:28,339 --> 03:12:32,739
potential water supply opportunities that could be expedited. We feel

1292
03:12:32,739 --> 03:12:35,739
that the redevelopment of stage a of our property is

1293
03:12:35,739 --> 03:12:39,419
aligned with this recommendation as it reduces water supply requirements

1294
03:12:39,419 --> 03:12:42,904
at our site. As stated in my letter of January

1295
03:12:42,904 --> 03:12:46,544
the 9th, had it been clear that the historic servicing

1296
03:12:46,544 --> 03:12:50,104
capacity associated with the site would not be carried forward

1297
03:12:50,104 --> 03:12:56,739
through redevelopment. The 550,000 factory space. Would not have been

1298
03:12:56,739 --> 03:13:03,499
demolished in 2024. At significant cost. Instead, the site would

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03:13:03,499 --> 03:13:07,459
reasonably be operating today with new industrial tenants. By transitioning

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03:13:07,459 --> 03:13:11,139
these lands from industrial use to a phased residential use

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03:13:11,139 --> 03:13:15,460
of the project. Would first, reduce overall water demand. Second.

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03:13:17,084 --> 03:13:20,804
Improve system flexibility in the near term and thirdly, support

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03:13:20,804 --> 03:13:25,724
the region's stated objective of addressing immediate capacity pressures while

1304
03:13:25,724 --> 03:13:29,759
enabling housing delivery. Larry, you have a few seconds left.

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03:13:29,759 --> 03:13:32,519
I'll let you kind of wrap chair James, just. Timely

1306
03:13:32,519 --> 03:13:35,559
clarification is important and I wanted to make mention to

1307
03:13:35,559 --> 03:13:39,999
the committee that we've. Dealt with staff, commissioner Regir and

1308
03:13:39,999 --> 03:13:42,239
his planning staff, who are now aware of the water.

1309
03:13:42,239 --> 03:13:45,799
Supply circumstances as they relate to the site and that

1310
03:13:45,799 --> 03:13:49,000
there are no additional supply requirements for. Stage a to

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03:13:49,000 --> 03:13:53,859
proceed. Madam chair. That concludes my remarks, and I'm willing

1312
03:13:53,859 --> 03:13:55,979
to answer any questions. Absolutely. Thank you. For coming in,

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03:13:55,979 --> 03:13:59,219
Larry. We do have a few questions. Councilor McCabe, thank

1314
03:13:59,219 --> 03:14:02,848
you and thanks. Larry for coming in. And thanks for

1315
03:14:02,848 --> 03:14:08,360
your work on. This project. At the former crosslands. It's

1316
03:14:08,360 --> 03:14:12,410
a pretty big project. I'm just wondering, just. For the

1317
03:14:12,410 --> 03:14:15,210
rest of regional council because they're probably not as familiar

1318
03:14:15,210 --> 03:14:19,291
as. I am because it's in the city of Waterloo.

1319
03:14:19,291 --> 03:14:21,571
Can you just give us a sense. Of what the

1320
03:14:21,571 --> 03:14:25,351
overall. Housing units. That are planned for that site in

1321
03:14:25,351 --> 03:14:27,471
the fullness of time you said it'd be. About 20

1322
03:14:27,471 --> 03:14:32,653
years, but. Then also. What you're looking to start in

1323
03:14:32,653 --> 03:14:37,502
2026. Like how many housing units. I've addressed stage a

1324
03:14:37,502 --> 03:14:42,462
of two stages, which contemplates approximately half of the units,

1325
03:14:42,462 --> 03:14:47,022
approximately 1600 units, residential units to be developed on the

1326
03:14:47,022 --> 03:14:50,769
site. The second half would come much later. I've also

1327
03:14:50,769 --> 03:14:56,358
specified that. The 1600 units proposed for six buildings would

1328
03:14:56,358 --> 03:15:04,054
evolve over a period between now. And 2040 something. So

1329
03:15:04,054 --> 03:15:08,374
we have been working diligently with city staff to, in

1330
03:15:08,374 --> 03:15:13,238
fact, Move all these requirements forward from a registration site

1331
03:15:13,238 --> 03:15:16,198
plan approval point of view to start construction of the

1332
03:15:16,198 --> 03:15:21,518
first building at Northfield and Conestogo at that corner in

1333
03:15:21,518 --> 03:15:25,760
the summer of this. Year. So. We're almost at the

1334
03:15:25,760 --> 03:15:28,400
goal line, but need to just kick it across the

1335
03:15:28,400 --> 03:15:33,431
goal line. So, from the perspective of registration, it's imminent,

1336
03:15:33,431 --> 03:15:35,551
but there are certain conditions to be met. One of

1337
03:15:35,551 --> 03:15:38,431
which I made reference to in the region staff report

1338
03:15:38,431 --> 03:15:43,724
about servicing agreements with the region. Well, I hope I've

1339
03:15:43,724 --> 03:15:47,944
made the case of the members of committee. That this

1340
03:15:47,944 --> 03:15:51,544
was a service site. This is a service site. And

1341
03:15:51,544 --> 03:15:55,140
it has been serviced for high water use. Which the

1342
03:15:55,140 --> 03:15:57,700
crowd carpet factory was endearing over a period of time.

1343
03:15:59,408 --> 03:16:03,753
So the capacity is there. It's use through the redevelopment.

1344
03:16:05,139 --> 03:16:07,779
Will be a less and B extended over a long

1345
03:16:07,779 --> 03:16:11,045
period of time. So that's really the point we're trying

1346
03:16:11,045 --> 03:16:15,074
to make, and we really feel. That. Within sort of

1347
03:16:15,074 --> 03:16:21,481
the situation we're discussing today. That it's a solution. To

1348
03:16:21,481 --> 03:16:28,151
allow activity residential development to happen. And aspects that generate

1349
03:16:28,151 --> 03:16:35,456
assessment for municipalities, which is important. So, yes. We're ready

1350
03:16:35,456 --> 03:16:38,376
to go. I won't call them minor, but some aspects

1351
03:16:38,376 --> 03:16:43,023
to kick over the goal line. Great. Thanks for that.

1352
03:16:43,023 --> 03:16:46,492
I think that's helpful. I know. In the city of

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03:16:46,492 --> 03:16:49,692
Waterloo. Like I was saying previously, we've got about 4000.

1354
03:16:49,692 --> 03:16:55,260
Housing units. That are very imminent, right. In terms of

1355
03:16:55,260 --> 03:16:57,700
going ahead, and this is one of them. But you

1356
03:16:57,700 --> 03:17:01,007
could multiply that. This example that you're giving us is

1357
03:17:01,007 --> 03:17:05,322
one of, I don't know. How many examples exist in

1358
03:17:05,322 --> 03:17:08,962
the other area municipalities as well. So I really appreciate.

1359
03:17:10,230 --> 03:17:15,792
You explaining how this. Is a real solution, but. There's

1360
03:17:15,792 --> 03:17:20,201
some nuance. There's a lot of nuance in this. And

1361
03:17:20,201 --> 03:17:23,161
as Melissa was saying, just saying this heart, like the

1362
03:17:23,161 --> 03:17:26,121
message that has gone out is that it's like a

1363
03:17:26,121 --> 03:17:32,108
hard and fast stop, whereas. There are some solutions and

1364
03:17:32,108 --> 03:17:35,708
places where the capacity already exists and is already accounted

1365
03:17:35,708 --> 03:17:37,348
for that I think we really need to take a

1366
03:17:37,348 --> 03:17:42,413
look at. And see. And work, as your colleagues have

1367
03:17:42,413 --> 03:17:45,687
said. On an industry table and with regional and area

1368
03:17:45,687 --> 03:17:49,327
municipality staff to say what is possible to move ahead.

1369
03:17:50,880 --> 03:17:52,320
In a really responsible manner. And what do we need?

1370
03:17:53,722 --> 03:17:59,071
Repairs to the system to do. To accommodate, so. Thank

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03:17:59,071 --> 03:18:02,551
you for bringing that overview to us because I think

1372
03:18:02,551 --> 03:18:06,351
it's really, really helpful because that's a really specific and

1373
03:18:06,351 --> 03:18:09,937
really real time example of. What some of the industry

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03:18:09,937 --> 03:18:13,297
are facing. So thanks, Larry, for that. Thank you, Councilor

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03:18:13,297 --> 03:18:17,657
McCabe. Councilor Banovic, thank you very much. And thanks, Larry,

1376
03:18:17,657 --> 03:18:23,237
for coming in. And I guess bringing more of. A

1377
03:18:23,237 --> 03:18:27,077
micro level perspective to a specific project with some very

1378
03:18:27,077 --> 03:18:31,499
interesting nuances. Versus some of the macro level issues that

1379
03:18:31,499 --> 03:18:37,886
we've been hearing. From others. Specifically on the issue of.

1380
03:18:39,214 --> 03:18:43,062
The water data and the fact that. The projects that

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03:18:43,062 --> 03:18:45,502
you're talking about will be using less water than the

1382
03:18:45,502 --> 03:18:49,262
old manufacturing plant. That was there. Have you had an

1383
03:18:49,262 --> 03:18:55,052
opportunity in your discussions with staff to understand? How that

1384
03:18:55,052 --> 03:19:01,311
has factored into. Their numeric analysis. Has staff looked at

1385
03:19:01,311 --> 03:19:06,511
that property in the context of zero water consumption, future

1386
03:19:06,511 --> 03:19:10,991
water consumption in terms of. The projects that you're talking

1387
03:19:10,991 --> 03:19:16,321
about or past water consumption. In terms of the Krause

1388
03:19:16,321 --> 03:19:22,059
plant. Because that data, that information obviously will impact the

1389
03:19:22,059 --> 03:19:28,088
modeling. Sure. A good question. We met as recently as

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03:19:28,088 --> 03:19:32,208
last Friday with regional staff, planning staff and had a

1391
03:19:32,208 --> 03:19:35,008
discussion about this. We provided them with the analysis that

1392
03:19:35,008 --> 03:19:37,528
Walter Fetty prepared on our behalf that we attached to.

1393
03:19:37,528 --> 03:19:42,341
Our letter of last week. So. It's now being considered,

1394
03:19:42,341 --> 03:19:44,741
it's now being looked at in more detail as to

1395
03:19:44,741 --> 03:19:46,541
what it means to answer some of your questions. I

1396
03:19:46,541 --> 03:19:49,981
don't have the immediacy. Of an answer. But it's part

1397
03:19:49,981 --> 03:19:52,501
of the equation. It's part of the equation. And what

1398
03:19:52,501 --> 03:19:59,281
we felt. It represents is an ability. To make something

1399
03:19:59,281 --> 03:20:03,801
happen and move forward. Within the discussions we're taking, however,

1400
03:20:03,801 --> 03:20:07,161
it's a good question, and I'm quite sure Commissioner Rodriguez

1401
03:20:07,161 --> 03:20:10,656
is going to be assessing it from. That perspective. Sure.

1402
03:20:12,190 --> 03:20:16,390
You actually touched on something, and you may not be

1403
03:20:16,390 --> 03:20:19,190
in a position to sort of answer this. But a

1404
03:20:19,190 --> 03:20:21,550
little more than 20 years ago, you sat around the

1405
03:20:21,550 --> 03:20:27,507
inner horseshoe. As the commissioner, and obviously the community's changed

1406
03:20:27,507 --> 03:20:31,484
a lot in that time. But in your role at

1407
03:20:31,484 --> 03:20:34,084
that time, you would have considered things like the official

1408
03:20:34,084 --> 03:20:39,522
plan amendments, water issues. And so on. Is there any

1409
03:20:39,522 --> 03:20:43,362
insights or perspectives from that experience that you can offer

1410
03:20:43,362 --> 03:20:49,046
up to us in consideration? Of. What we're looking at

1411
03:20:49,046 --> 03:20:52,875
today, recognizing 20 years. I was in it 30 years

1412
03:20:52,875 --> 03:20:56,824
ago, and the world's changed a lot since then. It's

1413
03:20:56,824 --> 03:21:00,424
an interesting question, and I've been posed it by some

1414
03:21:00,424 --> 03:21:06,065
of my colleagues. Again. If I was having to comment

1415
03:21:06,065 --> 03:21:10,299
on it. A lot has changed. The pattern of development

1416
03:21:10,299 --> 03:21:13,659
has changed with the LRT and intensification trying to take

1417
03:21:13,659 --> 03:21:18,019
advantage. Of public transit versus automobile transportation for a number

1418
03:21:18,019 --> 03:21:23,333
of reasons. So my view would be. Where can we

1419
03:21:23,333 --> 03:21:27,518
find ways and means? To deal with the specificity of

1420
03:21:27,518 --> 03:21:30,318
what I just described today for a particular development on

1421
03:21:30,318 --> 03:21:33,438
a site within the larger context that we're trying to

1422
03:21:33,438 --> 03:21:38,306
resolve. Versus taking a black or white view of the

1423
03:21:38,306 --> 03:21:41,830
world and saying, We're going to stop this until we

1424
03:21:41,830 --> 03:21:46,625
do this. As Melissa has indicated, by stopping what we're

1425
03:21:46,625 --> 03:21:50,067
doing, it's not sending a message. Right to the community

1426
03:21:50,067 --> 03:21:55,621
at the same time. We need housing supply. So this

1427
03:21:55,621 --> 03:21:58,861
is what I feel our part in this development with

1428
03:21:58,861 --> 03:22:04,436
the city of Waterloo to make. Something happen? Positively. While

1429
03:22:04,436 --> 03:22:07,196
at the same time we're looking for a longer term

1430
03:22:07,196 --> 03:22:10,556
solution and some of the questions we've asked from build

1431
03:22:10,556 --> 03:22:16,819
urban's perspective with respect to. The issue at Mannheim we're

1432
03:22:16,819 --> 03:22:21,712
talking about. Is this a today problem, a tomorrow problem,

1433
03:22:21,712 --> 03:22:25,192
or a 2051 problem to accommodate a million people? And

1434
03:22:25,192 --> 03:22:27,632
we don't have the answer to that. But that's a

1435
03:22:27,632 --> 03:22:32,541
very important question. To answer because. We can't stop everything

1436
03:22:32,541 --> 03:22:35,141
from happening here in the region. The region, I think,

1437
03:22:35,141 --> 03:22:38,191
has been a leader over time. And has has to

1438
03:22:38,191 --> 03:22:40,951
continue being a leader over time and not send the

1439
03:22:40,951 --> 03:22:46,570
wrong message out there. To. Have our prosperity or whatever

1440
03:22:46,570 --> 03:22:52,453
else, move somewhere else. Thank you. Those are helpful perspectives.

1441
03:22:52,453 --> 03:22:55,093
Okay. Thank you, Larry, for coming in and providing your

1442
03:22:55,093 --> 03:22:59,613
perspective. Thank you very much for committee questions from council.

1443
03:22:59,613 --> 03:23:03,893
I will now call on Larry Masso, policy advisor. Water

1444
03:23:03,893 --> 03:23:07,173
the Region Home Builders association. And you have five minutes,

1445
03:23:07,173 --> 03:23:12,764
Larry. Thank you, chair James and members of the committee.

1446
03:23:12,764 --> 03:23:15,564
My name is Larry Matthew, and I'm a policy advisor

1447
03:23:15,564 --> 03:23:22,370
for the Waterloo Home Region Home Builders Association. My message

1448
03:23:22,370 --> 03:23:25,850
today is going to be actually very similar to much

1449
03:23:25,850 --> 03:23:29,299
of what you've already heard. So I'm going to kind

1450
03:23:29,299 --> 03:23:31,659
of pare that back a bit so that I'm not

1451
03:23:31,659 --> 03:23:38,850
as repetitive. But I do have. A few. Important matters

1452
03:23:38,850 --> 03:23:41,170
to our members that I want to make sure I

1453
03:23:41,170 --> 03:23:46,050
do highlight. And there's probably. A couple other things that

1454
03:23:46,050 --> 03:23:48,890
maybe haven't quite been raised or raised in the right

1455
03:23:48,890 --> 03:23:53,548
context. That I'd like to address as well. So, to

1456
03:23:53,548 --> 03:23:58,068
begin, the water capacity constraints identified in the Mannheim system.

1457
03:23:59,890 --> 03:24:05,121
Represent at this point an effective freeze on development. And

1458
03:24:05,121 --> 03:24:10,621
has put our members. In, frankly, an untenable situation. The

1459
03:24:10,621 --> 03:24:18,301
decision will trigger a cascade of severe, long lasting consequences,

1460
03:24:18,301 --> 03:24:26,992
constraining housing supply. Driving up costs. Destabilizing municipal finances, exposing

1461
03:24:26,992 --> 03:24:32,632
the region to significant legal risk, and undermining Waterloo's economic

1462
03:24:32,632 --> 03:24:39,392
competitiveness for years to come. This moment requires clear, decisive

1463
03:24:39,392 --> 03:24:44,747
leadership from regional council. And we think. Direct provincial oversight.

1464
03:24:46,132 --> 03:24:51,172
This will help restore community confidence using transparent data and

1465
03:24:51,172 --> 03:24:57,168
establish a credible path moving forward. WHBA is here today

1466
03:24:57,168 --> 03:25:01,608
because we are the region's largest development and housing partner.

1467
03:25:01,608 --> 03:25:05,808
And. We are here and we're ready to help both

1468
03:25:05,808 --> 03:25:12,538
directly and constructively and also with solutions. But we really

1469
03:25:12,538 --> 03:25:17,538
cannot accept a complete halt to development without sufficient credible

1470
03:25:17,538 --> 03:25:22,665
evidence. And so far, We've really not seen. That evidence.

1471
03:25:24,284 --> 03:25:30,129
So first I'd like to address. How the region is

1472
03:25:30,129 --> 03:25:37,518
framing this matter. And we suggest that. This matter should

1473
03:25:37,518 --> 03:25:41,198
be framed as an engineering challenge, and that will be

1474
03:25:41,198 --> 03:25:45,399
addressed in a staged manner. And. With the least community

1475
03:25:45,399 --> 03:25:49,285
impact possible. I'd also like to address some of the

1476
03:25:49,285 --> 03:25:55,556
technical concerns that we've heard. First. This is not a

1477
03:25:55,556 --> 03:25:59,666
water emergency. There is no water quality or public health

1478
03:25:59,666 --> 03:26:04,714
crisis. And new development already meets strict water balance and

1479
03:26:04,714 --> 03:26:12,745
infiltration requirements. Secondly, peer review relies on extreme. Highly unlikely

1480
03:26:12,745 --> 03:26:17,985
scenarios, such as losing an entire treatment plant or multiple

1481
03:26:17,985 --> 03:26:23,202
wellfields for years. Scenarios that, quite frankly, are not standard

1482
03:26:23,202 --> 03:26:29,654
planning assumptions in Ontario. Thirdly, the 20% to 30% resilience

1483
03:26:29,654 --> 03:26:36,207
buffer. Resiliency buffer is extraordinary. It's undefined and it double

1484
03:26:36,207 --> 03:26:40,327
counts. Risks already addressed through the province's permit. To take

1485
03:26:40,327 --> 03:26:45,377
water process. Fourthly, the region's own peer review notes that

1486
03:26:45,377 --> 03:26:49,737
the Mannheim plant is operating at only 40% of its

1487
03:26:49,737 --> 03:26:56,242
intended capacity. Due to asset limitations. If a public asset

1488
03:26:56,242 --> 03:27:02,175
is underperforming, the solution is to repair that asset. And

1489
03:27:02,175 --> 03:27:08,305
accelerate upgrades, not to halt housing development. Finally, I'd like

1490
03:27:08,305 --> 03:27:14,360
to address some process. And business implications. Larry, you have

1491
03:27:14,360 --> 03:27:20,360
about 1 minute left. Thank you. So. One of the

1492
03:27:20,360 --> 03:27:24,560
biggest issues we have moving forward is what this may

1493
03:27:24,560 --> 03:27:28,883
mean. To the well that the longevity of the freeze,

1494
03:27:28,883 --> 03:27:32,836
what it might mean. To development approvals in the queue

1495
03:27:32,836 --> 03:27:37,191
and our ability to meet. Housing targets as well as

1496
03:27:37,191 --> 03:27:41,780
just, frankly, much needed housing in the community. And the

1497
03:27:41,780 --> 03:27:45,980
other aspect is what impact this will have on the

1498
03:27:45,980 --> 03:27:49,540
collection of not only regional but area municipal development charges.

1499
03:27:51,523 --> 03:27:57,373
If this issue is with us. For six months or

1500
03:27:57,373 --> 03:28:02,027
a year. There will be millions of dollars that will

1501
03:28:02,027 --> 03:28:06,547
be delayed or in some cases, possibly foregone. Entirely in

1502
03:28:06,547 --> 03:28:10,987
terms of collected development charges, and we question what impact

1503
03:28:10,987 --> 03:28:16,027
is that going to have on municipal capital forecasts and

1504
03:28:16,027 --> 03:28:21,557
development programs moving forward. Are the area municipal and regional

1505
03:28:21,557 --> 03:28:25,202
council is going to be able to meet. The planned

1506
03:28:25,202 --> 03:28:30,841
growth. And investments in the coming year. In the coming,

1507
03:28:30,841 --> 03:28:35,952
perhaps five years. If those very important development charges are

1508
03:28:35,952 --> 03:28:40,907
not collected or are substantially delayed. What does that mean?

1509
03:28:42,803 --> 03:28:50,783
So thank you. Sorry for extending beyond. But we'll leave

1510
03:28:50,783 --> 03:28:52,583
it at that. Thank you very much. Okay. We do

1511
03:28:52,583 --> 03:28:56,783
have a few. Questions from councilors. Larry Councilor McCabe thank

1512
03:28:56,783 --> 03:29:01,534
you, Larry, for coming in today. Appreciate you adding your

1513
03:29:01,534 --> 03:29:04,974
perspective to this important topic as well because we've obviously

1514
03:29:04,974 --> 03:29:09,953
heard from Bill Durban and some of. The companies that

1515
03:29:09,953 --> 03:29:15,600
are building more. Intensified and taller buildings. So it's really

1516
03:29:15,600 --> 03:29:18,600
important to hear from the Waterloo region home builders. And

1517
03:29:18,600 --> 03:29:22,590
the members that you represent as well. I'm just wondering.

1518
03:29:24,533 --> 03:29:27,133
If they've talked to you about this task force idea

1519
03:29:27,133 --> 03:29:33,413
that. Has been recommended, and if that's something that. You

1520
03:29:33,413 --> 03:29:36,053
would be interested in participating in and what your thoughts

1521
03:29:36,053 --> 03:29:39,213
are from that perspective, from the members that you represent?

1522
03:29:39,213 --> 03:29:44,052
Absolutely. That was actually in my presentation. Just didn't get

1523
03:29:44,052 --> 03:29:48,913
said because I ran out of time. But absolutely. We

1524
03:29:48,913 --> 03:29:53,513
ask that an industry focused technical working group comprising the

1525
03:29:53,513 --> 03:29:58,673
WRHBA and other key partners be established to evaluate and

1526
03:29:58,673 --> 03:30:03,353
guide specific actions and to ensure workable interim solutions that

1527
03:30:03,353 --> 03:30:07,073
ensure new housing can be delivered as we move forward.

1528
03:30:08,293 --> 03:30:12,422
Okay, well, that's good to hear because. Obviously. The type

1529
03:30:12,422 --> 03:30:15,298
of housing that you build versus. The members of build

1530
03:30:15,298 --> 03:30:19,855
urban and that are different, but obviously very important. And

1531
03:30:19,855 --> 03:30:23,775
they meet needs of various residents and future residents of

1532
03:30:23,775 --> 03:30:27,828
our community. But in my mind, it certainly makes sense

1533
03:30:27,828 --> 03:30:30,308
to have you at the table as well, to have

1534
03:30:30,308 --> 03:30:34,293
your perspectives and your input. Around that table as well.

1535
03:30:35,653 --> 03:30:40,213
Because I'd ask Bill Durban, David, about the top priorities

1536
03:30:40,213 --> 03:30:45,859
for Bill Durban. And what you're representing. I think it's

1537
03:30:45,859 --> 03:30:49,499
over 200 or 300 members, so could you just share

1538
03:30:49,499 --> 03:30:53,506
what your top priority of the membership is for. The

1539
03:30:53,506 --> 03:30:57,728
immediate short term. Midterm, sort of six months, a year.

1540
03:30:59,686 --> 03:31:02,926
So I think the immediate priority for our members would

1541
03:31:02,926 --> 03:31:09,281
be. To. We need clarity. We need to fully understand

1542
03:31:09,281 --> 03:31:14,179
exactly what the issue is. And how severe that issue

1543
03:31:14,179 --> 03:31:20,374
is or isn't so that we can establish. Very firm

1544
03:31:20,374 --> 03:31:27,400
and well understood. Ways forward in terms of. Can certain

1545
03:31:27,400 --> 03:31:31,828
types of development continue to move forward? Or not. If

1546
03:31:31,828 --> 03:31:35,508
not, why not? Because we need, quite frankly, the industry

1547
03:31:35,508 --> 03:31:42,879
needs that clarity. Secondly, I think. We need to. Be

1548
03:31:42,879 --> 03:31:50,666
assured that. We are devising and implementing. The correct solutions

1549
03:31:50,666 --> 03:31:55,705
moving forward that are going to allow our industry. To

1550
03:31:55,705 --> 03:31:58,505
continue to build homes and to allow this community to

1551
03:31:58,505 --> 03:32:04,323
thrive, right? To the horizon of our current official plans.

1552
03:32:05,958 --> 03:32:13,044
And I think, thirdly, I think we need to do

1553
03:32:13,044 --> 03:32:22,296
this with. Some. Really fine tuned. Financial oversight because. Our

1554
03:32:22,296 --> 03:32:28,495
suspicions is that this could be. Very expensive, and we

1555
03:32:28,495 --> 03:32:35,162
got to understand. How any upgrades that are necessary are

1556
03:32:35,162 --> 03:32:38,042
going to be funded. Are they within the capacity of

1557
03:32:38,042 --> 03:32:42,323
the Regional Municipality of Waterloo two Fund. What is going

1558
03:32:42,323 --> 03:32:47,048
to be the impact on development charges? There's considerable concern

1559
03:32:47,048 --> 03:32:50,448
amongst our members in terms of development charges, for instance.

1560
03:32:50,448 --> 03:32:54,862
So if you understand. Just over the last ten years

1561
03:32:54,862 --> 03:33:00,520
alone, the regional municipality of Waterloo has. Collected in our

1562
03:33:00,520 --> 03:33:07,333
estimation of load $150 to $160,000,000 worth of. Regional development

1563
03:33:07,333 --> 03:33:13,053
charges just for water infrastructure. So we question. Was that

1564
03:33:13,053 --> 03:33:18,250
infrastructure put? Are those funds put to the correct. Infrastructure

1565
03:33:18,250 --> 03:33:22,373
and if upgrades are necessary. Is it essentially a double

1566
03:33:22,373 --> 03:33:26,813
dipping if you try to finance those through development charges

1567
03:33:26,813 --> 03:33:31,948
again? So. We're going to have a lot of questions

1568
03:33:31,948 --> 03:33:36,544
going forward in terms of those. Kind of issues. And

1569
03:33:36,544 --> 03:33:41,496
so I think. This council. Need to be very aware

1570
03:33:41,496 --> 03:33:48,052
of. How? Any infrastructure upgrades are going to be funded.

1571
03:33:50,058 --> 03:33:54,549
And hopefully the province. Is prepared to help. Right. Thank

1572
03:33:54,549 --> 03:33:59,072
you very much for that. Your clarion call of clarity.

1573
03:33:59,072 --> 03:34:01,072
I mean, we've heard that, I think, pretty clearly from.

1574
03:34:01,072 --> 03:34:03,912
Everyone who's presented today, but also just your reminder of.

1575
03:34:06,531 --> 03:34:09,651
What developers have paid through the development charge process into

1576
03:34:09,651 --> 03:34:12,371
the system already. I mean, from what I understand, and

1577
03:34:12,371 --> 03:34:14,851
I'm sure we'll talk about it later this afternoon. We

1578
03:34:14,851 --> 03:34:18,051
do have a pretty healthy reserve for the water wastewater.

1579
03:34:19,675 --> 03:34:23,916
Infrastructure, so. We'll have to cross that bridge when we

1580
03:34:23,916 --> 03:34:25,956
get to that point of the conversation, but. I think

1581
03:34:25,956 --> 03:34:31,516
it's really helpful for council and staff and anyone listening

1582
03:34:31,516 --> 03:34:36,370
to really understand. Your members priorities and your concerns and

1583
03:34:36,370 --> 03:34:38,770
the questions that you have. So thanks for bringing that

1584
03:34:38,770 --> 03:34:44,523
today. With clarity. Thank you. Thank you, councilor Benavik. Thanks.

1585
03:34:44,523 --> 03:34:47,203
And thanks, Larry, for coming in, and it's been really

1586
03:34:47,203 --> 03:34:51,059
helpful for me. To hear the mix of people that

1587
03:34:51,059 --> 03:34:55,978
have come in tonight. Across the sector. And while your

1588
03:34:55,978 --> 03:35:01,218
membership is primarily those involved in Greenfield and missing middle,

1589
03:35:01,218 --> 03:35:04,741
your membership is broad. But it sort of adds that

1590
03:35:04,741 --> 03:35:08,701
voice into the discussion, and it is an important one

1591
03:35:08,701 --> 03:35:11,621
because I think it does speak, particularly from a local

1592
03:35:11,621 --> 03:35:17,292
perspective in terms of. The impact on the economy. And

1593
03:35:17,292 --> 03:35:22,985
I touched on this with Melissa earlier today. And really.

1594
03:35:25,089 --> 03:35:28,409
The impacts of messaging and how we handle these situation.

1595
03:35:30,149 --> 03:35:34,709
On housing supply and affordability, as well as the impact.

1596
03:35:36,602 --> 03:35:41,204
On. The tradespeople and so on, and I'm wondering if

1597
03:35:41,204 --> 03:35:46,860
you can bring. More perspective and nuances, particularly to the

1598
03:35:46,860 --> 03:35:55,521
sector you primarily represent. And how that will impact them

1599
03:35:55,521 --> 03:36:00,411
on an ongoing basis. Sure. Well, first off, from the

1600
03:36:00,411 --> 03:36:05,832
trade perspective, From what I've heard from a lot of

1601
03:36:05,832 --> 03:36:09,752
the builders locally is because of the slowdown we've seen

1602
03:36:09,752 --> 03:36:12,716
over the past year, year and a half. They're already.

1603
03:36:14,228 --> 03:36:17,668
Seeing a reduction in the availability of some trades, and

1604
03:36:17,668 --> 03:36:21,512
there's a lot of concern. That. You've already heard that

1605
03:36:21,512 --> 03:36:26,726
once those trades leave. They often don't come back. So.

1606
03:36:29,324 --> 03:36:35,999
That is a big concern. We also need to. Have.

1607
03:36:35,999 --> 03:36:38,479
For lack of better words, I'll call it a pipeline.

1608
03:36:38,479 --> 03:36:44,693
A pipeline of development, of. Land. Of building lots because.

1609
03:36:46,165 --> 03:36:48,765
Our members don't operate on a six month or one.

1610
03:36:50,200 --> 03:36:56,442
Year horizon. We've got members that are looking multiple years

1611
03:36:56,442 --> 03:37:00,282
and decades ahead in terms of ensuring that they have

1612
03:37:00,282 --> 03:37:03,934
the adequate supply. To meet what they see as the

1613
03:37:03,934 --> 03:37:09,806
market. Their own business models. And they have to be

1614
03:37:09,806 --> 03:37:16,553
also. Have the land and approvals. In place to give

1615
03:37:16,553 --> 03:37:22,113
them flexibility to meet different challenges in the market, notwithstanding

1616
03:37:22,113 --> 03:37:27,404
challenges like this. Thanks for that. The second question I

1617
03:37:27,404 --> 03:37:30,291
wanted to ask. And you referred to it a little

1618
03:37:30,291 --> 03:37:33,491
bit in terms of sort of getting at the data

1619
03:37:33,491 --> 03:37:35,851
and the facts and so on. It's a question I

1620
03:37:35,851 --> 03:37:40,635
asked Melissa as well. Amongst the various motions that different

1621
03:37:40,635 --> 03:37:43,715
folks are bringing forward, one of the ones that, the

1622
03:37:43,715 --> 03:37:47,427
one that I'm bringing forward later today is actually. A

1623
03:37:47,427 --> 03:37:52,865
sharing of data. With the area, municipalities and others, which

1624
03:37:52,865 --> 03:37:58,780
would include the industry, so that everyone can do. Their

1625
03:37:58,780 --> 03:38:03,949
own assessment. Of everything. And ask questions where appropriate. And

1626
03:38:03,949 --> 03:38:08,220
so that we're all working on a common understanding. Maybe

1627
03:38:08,220 --> 03:38:10,780
we can just speak to how important that is. Yeah.

1628
03:38:12,666 --> 03:38:17,829
Absolutely. So our members. And have spent a lot of

1629
03:38:17,829 --> 03:38:22,141
time over the last month trying to figure out. On

1630
03:38:22,141 --> 03:38:27,100
their own. What the extent of the issue is. And

1631
03:38:27,100 --> 03:38:31,207
whether there is, in fact really an issue. And we're

1632
03:38:31,207 --> 03:38:38,002
having trouble, frankly, determining that we have access. To. Previous

1633
03:38:38,002 --> 03:38:43,880
water and wastewater monitoring report information that. Was available as

1634
03:38:43,880 --> 03:38:49,236
of recently as 2023. So it's only a year, just

1635
03:38:49,236 --> 03:38:53,765
a little bit more than a year old, but. The

1636
03:38:53,765 --> 03:39:01,770
way. Some of the capacity. Such. As monitored. In the

1637
03:39:01,770 --> 03:39:06,554
reports available to us is different in terms of. The

1638
03:39:06,554 --> 03:39:11,109
way it's characterized in the consultant report. For this concern,

1639
03:39:11,109 --> 03:39:14,189
and it's hard doing the math to try to figure

1640
03:39:14,189 --> 03:39:16,549
out, well, what did we have then? What do we

1641
03:39:16,549 --> 03:39:22,732
have now? It's difficult for us. To understand whether. The

1642
03:39:22,732 --> 03:39:27,796
numbers before you and the staff report. For this matter.

1643
03:39:28,817 --> 03:39:37,867
Reflect. The 20% to 30%. Operational. Capacity constraint or not.

1644
03:39:39,606 --> 03:39:42,646
So we're really in the dark. We don't know and

1645
03:39:42,646 --> 03:39:45,795
what we don't. Know. We don't know. But it's hard

1646
03:39:45,795 --> 03:39:48,515
for us to participate. It's hard for us to advocate.

1647
03:39:50,170 --> 03:39:52,730
Appropriately, and it's hard to for our members to manage

1648
03:39:52,730 --> 03:39:58,593
their businesses. When they don't know. This fundamental information. Yeah.

1649
03:39:58,593 --> 03:40:03,186
No, fundamentally, and I think that is true. I believe

1650
03:40:03,186 --> 03:40:06,575
that the best way to start getting. To answers is

1651
03:40:06,575 --> 03:40:10,815
actually being very transparent with the data so that everyone

1652
03:40:10,815 --> 03:40:14,295
can be on the same page and make their evaluations.

1653
03:40:14,295 --> 03:40:19,884
Thank you again for coming in. Again. You also brought

1654
03:40:19,884 --> 03:40:22,564
the perspective of someone who's been in the private sector.

1655
03:40:22,564 --> 03:40:26,684
The public sector and now in an advocacy role with

1656
03:40:26,684 --> 03:40:30,529
your organization, and that's been helpful. Thank you, Chair Redmond.

1657
03:40:32,617 --> 03:40:35,297
Larry, thanks for coming. And we've spent the last month

1658
03:40:35,297 --> 03:40:37,777
figuring out what the extent of this issue is, too.

1659
03:40:37,777 --> 03:40:41,057
So we're on the same page with that one. I

1660
03:40:41,057 --> 03:40:43,777
just have to continually be impressed with the fact that

1661
03:40:43,777 --> 03:40:46,777
people are coming here with solutions. And you mentioned advocating

1662
03:40:46,777 --> 03:40:49,577
you may have meant on behalf of your membership, but.

1663
03:40:51,586 --> 03:40:53,546
You're one of the delegations that's sort of zeroed in

1664
03:40:53,546 --> 03:40:56,186
on the expense of this. And I'm wondering if you've

1665
03:40:56,186 --> 03:41:00,026
turned your minds to being an advocate with us when

1666
03:41:00,026 --> 03:41:02,666
we go to the provincial government to look for additional

1667
03:41:02,666 --> 03:41:07,259
funds. To fund what we know are probably several remedies

1668
03:41:07,259 --> 03:41:10,379
that are going to be needed and I'm sure if

1669
03:41:10,379 --> 03:41:12,859
you haven't read already, that you'll stay around for. The

1670
03:41:12,859 --> 03:41:17,139
staff report, but has your membership considered doing advocacy to

1671
03:41:17,139 --> 03:41:21,737
the province on behalf of resolution of this issue. It's

1672
03:41:21,737 --> 03:41:28,361
being talked about in real time. Absolutely. I think. Our

1673
03:41:28,361 --> 03:41:32,931
association is prepared to step up in any way. We

1674
03:41:32,931 --> 03:41:39,963
can. With constructive solutions, advocacy at the provincial level. Whatever

1675
03:41:39,963 --> 03:41:43,457
we need to do. I mean, our members want to

1676
03:41:43,457 --> 03:41:45,417
continue to do business and they want to stay in

1677
03:41:45,417 --> 03:41:50,652
business, so. This is important. Thank you. Thank you, Larry.

1678
03:41:52,183 --> 03:41:54,143
And Taco chair Redmond as well. Thank you for coming

1679
03:41:54,143 --> 03:41:57,583
in and offering solutions. As many have as well this

1680
03:41:57,583 --> 03:42:03,586
morning or afternoon now. We have two more delegations scheduled,

1681
03:42:03,586 --> 03:42:06,226
and then we are going to take a short break

1682
03:42:06,226 --> 03:42:09,066
and. Then come back with our agenda just for council

1683
03:42:09,066 --> 03:42:13,306
in terms of process today. So, Sam, nabi I have

1684
03:42:13,306 --> 03:42:17,306
you next, director. Hold the line. Wr. And you have

1685
03:42:17,306 --> 03:42:27,055
five minutes, Sam. Thank you, chair James and members of

1686
03:42:27,055 --> 03:42:30,055
the committee. My name is Sam Nabby, director. Hold the

1687
03:42:30,055 --> 03:42:38,941
line, Waterloo region. Appreciate the opportunity. To address the committee

1688
03:42:38,941 --> 03:42:42,741
today about this water capacity issue, which, frankly, I'm coming

1689
03:42:42,741 --> 03:42:46,941
to you. With more questions than answers, about which I

1690
03:42:46,941 --> 03:42:51,490
know. We're all working through in real time. When the,

1691
03:42:51,490 --> 03:42:57,107
the news broke a month ago about, about. This capacity

1692
03:42:57,107 --> 03:42:59,067
issue. It was a shock. It was shocking. In the

1693
03:42:59,067 --> 03:43:03,507
context of regional growth management strategy that's been a core

1694
03:43:03,507 --> 03:43:06,227
part of how we plan for growth over the last

1695
03:43:06,227 --> 03:43:13,649
20 years. In the context of. The regional official plan

1696
03:43:13,649 --> 03:43:16,609
and the amendments, most recently a couple of years ago,

1697
03:43:16,609 --> 03:43:20,211
where we had lots of in depth conversations about. The

1698
03:43:20,211 --> 03:43:25,771
infrastructure capacity, the market conditions, the environmental constraints, and how

1699
03:43:25,771 --> 03:43:31,000
we grow as a region. So to learn recently that.

1700
03:43:32,386 --> 03:43:36,642
We don't have. An integrated urban system. That we have

1701
03:43:36,642 --> 03:43:42,585
two separate systems. These are issues that for me, as

1702
03:43:42,585 --> 03:43:46,065
an advocate for the last ten plus years and talking

1703
03:43:46,065 --> 03:43:50,659
with planners. In that whole process that had never come

1704
03:43:50,659 --> 03:43:57,145
up. I imagine that engineers making comments about water capacity

1705
03:43:57,145 --> 03:44:00,464
issues for all the infill developments that. Have been happening

1706
03:44:00,464 --> 03:44:05,060
in this region for the last couple of decades. I

1707
03:44:05,060 --> 03:44:11,385
find it hard to believe. That. This last month and

1708
03:44:11,385 --> 03:44:15,294
the news that broke. Was the first time that we

1709
03:44:15,294 --> 03:44:19,498
had encountered one of these issues. Again. I'm coming with

1710
03:44:19,498 --> 03:44:23,024
a lot of questions. In the public discussion around the

1711
03:44:23,024 --> 03:44:25,984
regional official plan. Even if we look at the water

1712
03:44:25,984 --> 03:44:32,942
supply management plan from 2015. They talk about an integrated

1713
03:44:32,942 --> 03:44:36,662
urban system. It talks about new treatment plants. It talks

1714
03:44:36,662 --> 03:44:38,702
about future investments. And what we need to keep our

1715
03:44:38,702 --> 03:44:44,415
system resilient. The master plan from 2015 says that there

1716
03:44:44,415 --> 03:44:46,415
are ways we can increase our supply to the system.

1717
03:44:48,230 --> 03:44:52,550
And points out pumping stations and different types of infrastructure

1718
03:44:52,550 --> 03:44:54,750
that we need to look at due to their location

1719
03:44:54,750 --> 03:45:00,672
and the interconnectedness of this integrated urban distribution system. That

1720
03:45:00,672 --> 03:45:04,552
interconnectedness is really in question right now. And what's most

1721
03:45:04,552 --> 03:45:08,741
surprising is that any of this is a surprise. It's

1722
03:45:08,741 --> 03:45:13,061
concerning that we've been using provincial modeling. That doesn't account

1723
03:45:13,061 --> 03:45:19,783
for our local groundwater context. For the reason. To retain

1724
03:45:19,783 --> 03:45:23,503
our local control and our local expertise as much as

1725
03:45:23,503 --> 03:45:29,902
we can. As the province seeks. To combine conservation areas.

1726
03:45:31,428 --> 03:45:33,148
I really don't think that the solution to this issue.

1727
03:45:35,051 --> 03:45:38,693
Is to take away local control. And to impose provincial

1728
03:45:38,693 --> 03:45:42,425
oversight. We have to work with the province, we have

1729
03:45:42,425 --> 03:45:44,865
to work with airy municipalities, we have to work with

1730
03:45:44,865 --> 03:45:48,977
industry. But this is a problem that is solvable. This

1731
03:45:48,977 --> 03:45:52,737
is a big problem, and there are several urgent fixes

1732
03:45:52,737 --> 03:45:57,138
that need to happen. But in the context of that

1733
03:45:57,138 --> 03:46:01,538
big issue, I don't think the answer is to throw

1734
03:46:01,538 --> 03:46:03,258
our hands up and say that the province should take

1735
03:46:03,258 --> 03:46:06,513
over this process. We need to get back to full

1736
03:46:06,513 --> 03:46:09,793
capacity with our ability to pump water from the grand

1737
03:46:09,793 --> 03:46:14,850
to our manheim treatment plant. Adding new wells, which is

1738
03:46:14,850 --> 03:46:20,020
an ongoing process to replace the wells that. Have been

1739
03:46:20,020 --> 03:46:23,100
exhausted or less effective. That's an ongoing process, and we

1740
03:46:23,100 --> 03:46:26,580
need to make sure we're keeping up with that. And

1741
03:46:26,580 --> 03:46:29,860
recommitting to long term health of our water system. When

1742
03:46:29,860 --> 03:46:32,220
we think about long term, we think about managing the

1743
03:46:32,220 --> 03:46:37,019
permeable area. The way that we have been redirecting growth

1744
03:46:37,019 --> 03:46:40,339
to infill rather than Greenfield has been a big reason

1745
03:46:40,339 --> 03:46:44,871
why. Potentially. We're here today and we weren't here years

1746
03:46:44,871 --> 03:46:50,779
ago. Infill development is less resource intensive, it helps us

1747
03:46:50,779 --> 03:46:54,819
grow in a more efficient way, and nothing about this

1748
03:46:54,819 --> 03:46:58,543
process in the big challenge that it is should. Give

1749
03:46:58,543 --> 03:47:01,383
us pause or have us let up on our vision

1750
03:47:01,383 --> 03:47:07,370
for regional growth. Management strategy that prioritizes compact development, transit

1751
03:47:07,370 --> 03:47:12,247
supportive development. And the fact that infill development had not

1752
03:47:12,247 --> 03:47:16,247
been counted in the way that we thought. Again, it's

1753
03:47:16,247 --> 03:47:19,607
an engineering challenge, it's a policy challenge, but it does

1754
03:47:19,607 --> 03:47:24,147
not mean that our approach has been wrong. You have

1755
03:47:24,147 --> 03:47:27,787
about 10 seconds, Sam. I'll just finish with the issue

1756
03:47:27,787 --> 03:47:34,118
of transparency and accountability. When we're sharing data. I would

1757
03:47:34,118 --> 03:47:37,198
appreciate that environmental groups such as Grand river environmental network

1758
03:47:37,198 --> 03:47:39,758
are included in that as well. As reap and some

1759
03:47:39,758 --> 03:47:44,582
other organizations that have been mentioned. Thank you. For the

1760
03:47:44,582 --> 03:47:46,542
opportunity to provide my comments. Okay, we do have a

1761
03:47:46,542 --> 03:47:52,531
couple of questions. Councilor verbanovic. Thanks. And. Comment and questions.

1762
03:47:52,531 --> 03:47:55,956
Just. Sam, I want to thank you. For coming in

1763
03:47:55,956 --> 03:48:05,315
and for. In your groups and other groups. Involvement. Over

1764
03:48:05,315 --> 03:48:08,480
the years. I think it's important that. We today heard

1765
03:48:08,480 --> 03:48:13,339
from, I'll say, a representative of civil society. In terms

1766
03:48:13,339 --> 03:48:19,423
of. This particular issue. I'm just wondering, from your perspective.

1767
03:48:20,549 --> 03:48:23,469
We spend a lot of time talking about communication, the

1768
03:48:23,469 --> 03:48:30,239
message. We've talked about. The impact. On freezing things, on

1769
03:48:30,239 --> 03:48:34,893
housing supply and affordability. And impact across a wide range

1770
03:48:34,893 --> 03:48:40,015
of jobs. Any thoughts and perspective on both messaging as

1771
03:48:40,015 --> 03:48:45,729
well as. That broader community impact on everyday residents in

1772
03:48:45,729 --> 03:48:50,647
our community. Thank you for the question through you, madam

1773
03:48:50,647 --> 03:48:57,571
Chair. I believe the messaging so far has been. Appropriate

1774
03:48:57,571 --> 03:49:00,411
to the scale of the issue that's evolving and that.

1775
03:49:01,724 --> 03:49:07,050
We're being faced with right now. A pause on development

1776
03:49:07,050 --> 03:49:13,157
comments is a logical conclusion. When we look at those

1777
03:49:13,157 --> 03:49:18,133
numbers and we look at. The current population and the

1778
03:49:18,133 --> 03:49:21,133
current capacity of the system really bumping up against that

1779
03:49:21,133 --> 03:49:26,036
limit. When we think about that 20% buffer, which has

1780
03:49:26,036 --> 03:49:29,116
been mentioned a few times today, but that's a long

1781
03:49:29,116 --> 03:49:32,716
standing part of water management in this region and was

1782
03:49:32,716 --> 03:49:35,836
included even back in the 2015 water supply master plan.

1783
03:49:37,420 --> 03:49:39,180
So that I don't think the solution to an issue

1784
03:49:39,180 --> 03:49:42,860
like this is to reduce regulation. Or just continue with

1785
03:49:42,860 --> 03:49:46,300
business as usual, but really move quickly on fixing those

1786
03:49:46,300 --> 03:49:48,100
issues that we know need to be fixed, and there

1787
03:49:48,100 --> 03:49:53,800
are. Multiple improvements to our water infrastructure that really need

1788
03:49:53,800 --> 03:49:56,800
action right now. And when we do get to those,

1789
03:49:56,800 --> 03:49:58,800
we will be able to continue with that business as

1790
03:49:58,800 --> 03:50:02,640
usual. Thank you very much. Thank you. Councilor McCabe. Thank

1791
03:50:02,640 --> 03:50:06,360
you, Sam, for coming in and bringing this important perspective

1792
03:50:06,360 --> 03:50:09,906
as well. I just want to say. I absolutely agree

1793
03:50:09,906 --> 03:50:13,186
with you that we don't need provincial oversight or we

1794
03:50:13,186 --> 03:50:15,506
need the provincial. Dollars, there's no question. And we need

1795
03:50:15,506 --> 03:50:18,721
to work with them in partnership. And I would also

1796
03:50:18,721 --> 03:50:23,340
say. I haven't heard that there's any suggestion of any

1797
03:50:23,340 --> 03:50:26,100
kind that we reduce any. Of the regulations or anything

1798
03:50:26,100 --> 03:50:31,450
like that. So certainly agree on that point. And. My

1799
03:50:31,450 --> 03:50:33,690
understanding, because I did have questions about the infill development

1800
03:50:33,690 --> 03:50:38,467
and what was being reported. I'll ask this question of

1801
03:50:38,467 --> 03:50:40,867
staff because it's not an appropriate time right now. But.

1802
03:50:42,892 --> 03:50:46,012
That the infill piece? Actually, it has been being captured.

1803
03:50:47,815 --> 03:50:52,199
There was just, I think, more of a misunderstanding. By

1804
03:50:52,199 --> 03:50:56,560
the way it was explained. Or reported on. With all

1805
03:50:56,560 --> 03:50:59,880
due respect to our media partners, it's a really complex

1806
03:50:59,880 --> 03:51:05,037
issue. But because. Waterloo. Primarily, all of our development in

1807
03:51:05,037 --> 03:51:07,637
the last ten plus years has been infill up. In

1808
03:51:07,637 --> 03:51:10,677
and up and using pockets of land and things like

1809
03:51:10,677 --> 03:51:16,019
that. My understanding is that those numbers have been included,

1810
03:51:16,019 --> 03:51:21,630
but I'm curious about just. On the conservation side of

1811
03:51:21,630 --> 03:51:24,543
things like if. You don't have to have things off

1812
03:51:24,543 --> 03:51:27,143
the top of your head, but just I'd. Be interested

1813
03:51:27,143 --> 03:51:31,863
to hear from your members of your organization as we

1814
03:51:31,863 --> 03:51:36,263
get further into this around. Particularly conservation recommendations. And as

1815
03:51:36,263 --> 03:51:40,452
you mentioned, The more permeable land we have, the less

1816
03:51:40,452 --> 03:51:44,783
like, the less concrete, the less. Paving and things like

1817
03:51:44,783 --> 03:51:48,103
that we have, the better it is for our overall,

1818
03:51:48,103 --> 03:51:53,383
for our overall water. System. And infiltration, et cetera. So

1819
03:51:53,383 --> 03:51:56,943
just wondered if you could comment on that or provide

1820
03:51:56,943 --> 03:52:02,681
your input. In the upcoming month or so. Thanks. Yeah,

1821
03:52:02,681 --> 03:52:07,774
absolutely. Infiltration is how our aquifers recharge. And we know

1822
03:52:07,774 --> 03:52:10,774
that, especially on the west side of our region where

1823
03:52:10,774 --> 03:52:14,214
we have the moraine, and it's a huge recharge area.

1824
03:52:14,214 --> 03:52:17,574
We have site specific policies in certain neighborhoods along the

1825
03:52:17,574 --> 03:52:20,294
west side of Waterloo, which I'm sure you know for

1826
03:52:20,294 --> 03:52:25,703
a certain percentage of permeable land. And we need to

1827
03:52:25,703 --> 03:52:29,663
continue to strengthen those policies to ensure that those wells

1828
03:52:29,663 --> 03:52:33,623
are being replenished I know that Wells get decommissioned, and

1829
03:52:33,623 --> 03:52:36,383
we need new wells. As time goes on, whether they

1830
03:52:36,383 --> 03:52:39,943
get too salty or they get nitrates in them, or.

1831
03:52:41,729 --> 03:52:44,409
Not. They don't have as much water as they need,

1832
03:52:44,409 --> 03:52:47,207
and. We do need to be sort of moving to

1833
03:52:47,207 --> 03:52:53,191
where the groundwater is moving over the years. And so

1834
03:52:53,191 --> 03:52:55,311
as part of that, we also need enforcement. We need

1835
03:52:55,311 --> 03:52:58,704
to make sure that in these neighborhoods. Where it was

1836
03:52:58,704 --> 03:53:03,720
30% permeable. Where when they were built. Is there oversight

1837
03:53:03,720 --> 03:53:08,488
and enforcement happening on an ongoing basis? Are people paving

1838
03:53:08,488 --> 03:53:11,488
their backyards. Is that something that we should be watching

1839
03:53:11,488 --> 03:53:15,426
out for? This is a small thing, but small thing

1840
03:53:15,426 --> 03:53:18,946
that could be multiplied over many, many properties. So every

1841
03:53:18,946 --> 03:53:25,270
little bit helps. We talk about? Groundwater impact of mining

1842
03:53:25,270 --> 03:53:27,590
as well, which I know is a provincial issue, and

1843
03:53:27,590 --> 03:53:31,665
the fact that below water table mining. Is a thing

1844
03:53:31,665 --> 03:53:34,225
in our region is concerning as well. Again, one more.

1845
03:53:35,242 --> 03:53:39,523
Impact to our aquifers. So it's a lot of little

1846
03:53:39,523 --> 03:53:43,091
things that all stack up together. Thanks for coming in.

1847
03:53:43,091 --> 03:53:48,889
And I think certainly. We all certainly share the belief

1848
03:53:48,889 --> 03:53:53,042
that. Water is water. It's vital and it's important, and

1849
03:53:53,042 --> 03:53:55,042
we need to be really mindful of how we use

1850
03:53:55,042 --> 03:53:59,879
it. And how we're building and. How we're building and

1851
03:53:59,879 --> 03:54:02,199
how we design these buildings so that we are capturing.

1852
03:54:03,709 --> 03:54:07,188
As much of that infiltration. And protection as possible. So

1853
03:54:07,188 --> 03:54:12,332
thanks very much, Sam, for. Continuing. To work with us

1854
03:54:12,332 --> 03:54:15,212
on this. Thank you. Thank you, Sam. I appreciate you

1855
03:54:15,212 --> 03:54:18,978
coming in and providing your perspectives as well. We have

1856
03:54:18,978 --> 03:54:22,178
Christian Lamana. Who's next? And I believe you have three

1857
03:54:22,178 --> 03:54:32,025
minutes. Thank you. Madam Chair and members of committee, thank

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you for the opportunity to speak today. My name is

1859
03:54:35,265 --> 03:54:39,065
Christian Lamana, vice president of development and Madison Group. Madison

1860
03:54:39,065 --> 03:54:42,705
owns significant land holdings on the east side, including properties

1861
03:54:42,705 --> 03:54:49,671
in both Cambridge and Breslow, which are directly. Impacted by

1862
03:54:49,671 --> 03:54:54,095
the water supply issues recently identified by the region. I

1863
03:54:54,095 --> 03:54:56,775
am here to address the confirmed water supply constraints in

1864
03:54:56,775 --> 03:54:59,935
the Mannheim service area and to propose a balanced, risk

1865
03:54:59,935 --> 03:55:03,815
managed approach that supports continued growth while long term water

1866
03:55:03,815 --> 03:55:08,615
supply solutions are advanced. My delegation focuses on five key

1867
03:55:08,615 --> 03:55:12,922
requests. Given the confirmed water supply constraints in the Manheim

1868
03:55:12,922 --> 03:55:16,755
service area. We are requesting the council direct staff to

1869
03:55:16,755 --> 03:55:20,835
evaluate and report on opportunities to temporarily utilize available capacity.

1870
03:55:20,835 --> 03:55:25,717
In the Middleton service area to support Manheim. We're technically

1871
03:55:25,717 --> 03:55:30,450
an operationally feasible. Distribution focus on short term and interim

1872
03:55:30,450 --> 03:55:36,010
solutions intended to provide operational flexibility while permanent supply expansions

1873
03:55:36,010 --> 03:55:41,989
are advanced. Secondly. Committee is also requested to have staff

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03:55:41,989 --> 03:55:46,274
confirm that developments which are already registered. And executed servicing

1875
03:55:46,274 --> 03:55:49,994
agreements in place are not impacted by these capacity constraints.

1876
03:55:51,589 --> 03:55:56,149
These developments represent substantial good faith investment with public infrastructure

1877
03:55:56,149 --> 03:56:00,949
already funded and advanced by reputable developers. In the region

1878
03:56:00,949 --> 03:56:06,589
based on previously confirmed servicing, capacity, altering or suspending servicing

1879
03:56:06,589 --> 03:56:10,924
or building permits for these projects would introduce significant. Legal

1880
03:56:10,924 --> 03:56:15,345
and financial risk and. Would undermine the confidence in the

1881
03:56:15,345 --> 03:56:21,081
region's growth management and infrastructure planning framework. Thirdly, have staff

1882
03:56:21,081 --> 03:56:25,761
continue commenting on and supporting draft plan application approvals using

1883
03:56:25,761 --> 03:56:29,681
holding provisions where appropriate. This would allow the planning process

1884
03:56:29,681 --> 03:56:34,201
to move forward, maintain housing and employment momentum, and ensure

1885
03:56:34,201 --> 03:56:38,281
construction only proceeds once water capacity solutions are in place.

1886
03:56:39,591 --> 03:56:43,431
Fourth, engage a technical working group as soon as possible.

1887
03:56:45,828 --> 03:56:48,468
Not only with the region's engineering team, but with other

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03:56:48,468 --> 03:56:52,685
water resource engineers in the region. And fifth provide clear

1889
03:56:52,685 --> 03:56:58,462
direction on existing registered and service development impacts. The intent

1890
03:56:58,462 --> 03:57:01,822
of this direction is to avoid retroactive impacts on legally

1891
03:57:01,822 --> 03:57:06,302
secured developments. To maintain investor and market confidence in the

1892
03:57:06,302 --> 03:57:09,902
region and to ensure that any intern capacity measures are

1893
03:57:09,902 --> 03:57:14,102
applied prospectively. While longer term water supply solutions are planned

1894
03:57:14,102 --> 03:57:19,023
and delivered. This approach balances risk management, fairness. And operational

1895
03:57:19,023 --> 03:57:22,383
reality while ensuring the region continues to protect public health.

1896
03:57:23,780 --> 03:57:27,994
System resiliency and long term water security. Thank you. Thank

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03:57:27,994 --> 03:57:32,114
you, Kristen. I do have a question from Councilor Verbanovic.

1898
03:57:32,114 --> 03:57:36,114
Thank you. Thanks very much Christian for joining us virtually

1899
03:57:36,114 --> 03:57:40,325
and sharing your perspectives. I agree with you that we

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03:57:40,325 --> 03:57:43,645
need to look at things like how Middleton could potentially

1901
03:57:43,645 --> 03:57:45,485
be used. And so on. But I want to get

1902
03:57:45,485 --> 03:57:51,679
down to your fourth point, which was around engaging. An

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03:57:51,679 --> 03:57:55,519
external technical working group. Now, I know part of it

1904
03:57:55,519 --> 03:57:57,559
maybe is aligned with what we heard. From some of

1905
03:57:57,559 --> 03:58:00,879
the others, like the industry, who would like a group

1906
03:58:00,879 --> 03:58:04,039
that involves the industry regional staff area municipalities and so

1907
03:58:04,039 --> 03:58:07,759
on. But it almost sounds like you're suggesting that maybe.

1908
03:58:09,146 --> 03:58:14,878
There is. External expertise with some of the other engineering

1909
03:58:14,878 --> 03:58:18,650
firms and so on in the region. Who have been

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03:58:18,650 --> 03:58:21,450
involved with water issues for a long time, and perhaps

1911
03:58:21,450 --> 03:58:23,450
we should engage them in part of this group? Is

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03:58:23,450 --> 03:58:29,196
that what you're suggesting? That is exactly right. Councilor Verbanovic.

1913
03:58:29,196 --> 03:58:33,941
We are recommending that potentially the development community. Provides key

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03:58:33,941 --> 03:58:37,101
contacts with other engineering teams that can assist the region.

1915
03:58:38,844 --> 03:58:40,604
To develop the appropriate solutions that are going to be

1916
03:58:40,604 --> 03:58:44,661
required to bring. This solution to fruition, but. Yes, that's

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03:58:44,661 --> 03:58:46,661
exactly what I'm saying. Okay, thank you. I just wanted

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to clarify that. Appreciate it. Thank you. Hold on a

1919
03:58:49,661 --> 03:58:54,326
moment. There's Sandy. Councillor sean as well. Thank you. Thanks,

1920
03:58:54,326 --> 03:58:57,366
Christian, for coming in and speaking to us. I know

1921
03:58:57,366 --> 03:58:59,286
we've got a lot of growth on the east side.

1922
03:59:00,947 --> 03:59:04,200
And that's an important area. Most of the things that

1923
03:59:04,200 --> 03:59:08,840
you've brought up have been raised before, and so hopefully.

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03:59:10,978 --> 03:59:14,988
When we look at the report later this afternoon. We

1925
03:59:14,988 --> 03:59:17,188
can bring a little bit more clarity to you and

1926
03:59:17,188 --> 03:59:19,668
the rest of the industry, so thanks. For coming today.

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03:59:21,145 --> 03:59:25,413
Thank you, Marshmallow. Excellent. Thank you, Christian. I see no

1928
03:59:25,413 --> 03:59:28,573
further questions from council. Thank you again for coming in.

1929
03:59:30,040 --> 03:59:34,615
And. Providing solutions or things to consider. As we navigate

1930
03:59:34,615 --> 03:59:42,241
this at the region. Okay. That concludes today's delegations. We're

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going to move to the consent agenda, but. We are

1932
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going to take a half hour break. For lunch, and

1933
03:59:49,516 --> 03:59:52,036
then we will come back and continue on with our

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03:59:52,036 --> 03:59:52,756
agenda for today.

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Gone now. Okay. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you again. We

1936
04:36:46,674 --> 04:36:51,871
are going to move on to the consent agenda. Regional

1937
04:36:51,871 --> 04:36:57,111
transportation staff are delaying the report under 2.8.2 .1 per

1938
04:36:57,111 --> 04:37:03,711
dose proposed pedestrian crossover at George Street Regional Road 42

1939
04:37:03,711 --> 04:37:06,671
and Crescent Place in the city of Cambridge. In order

1940
04:37:06,671 --> 04:37:11,846
to further address. Some concerns brought forward by the city

1941
04:37:11,846 --> 04:37:16,046
of Cambridge staff and their local counselor. These proposed improvements

1942
04:37:16,046 --> 04:37:20,046
relate to our recommended operational adjustments and associated bylaw amendments

1943
04:37:20,046 --> 04:37:27,255
on George street and downtown gut. Okay. Staff's recommendations includes

1944
04:37:27,255 --> 04:37:31,255
removing the existing stop control and providing addition of a

1945
04:37:31,255 --> 04:37:34,695
level two type C pedestrian crossing design work is not

1946
04:37:34,695 --> 04:37:38,626
yet underway. Okay, so I need a mover and a

1947
04:37:38,626 --> 04:37:44,779
second. Okay. Are there any requests to remove items so.

1948
04:37:44,779 --> 04:37:48,659
Councilor salon, thank you. Through your chair. If I pull

1949
04:37:48,659 --> 04:37:55,059
item 8.2.2, please. The street design guidelines. Okay, so 8.2.2.

1950
04:37:55,059 --> 04:37:59,859
We'll take that momentarily. And then, councilor Sean, same report?

1951
04:37:59,859 --> 04:38:03,034
Same report. Okay, so we will remove eight. Point two.

1952
04:38:03,034 --> 04:38:05,914
Point two. The remainder of the consent agenda. Do I

1953
04:38:05,914 --> 04:38:10,154
have a mover, councilor? Wolf seconder councilor Hunich. Okay, you'll

1954
04:38:10,154 --> 04:38:13,194
be prompted in East Greg and then we will discuss

1955
04:38:13,194 --> 04:38:16,994
councilor Sullen and councilor Shaunce. You can speak to 8.2.2.

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Questions.

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Okay, that is carriage. All right. Councilor Salanand, who have

1958
04:38:38,175 --> 04:38:42,615
questions regarding 8.2.2. Yes, thank you. Through your chair. Thank

1959
04:38:42,615 --> 04:38:46,615
you, staff, for bringing forward the guidelines, and I know

1960
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that it does accompany the later report. But in this

1961
04:38:51,198 --> 04:38:54,464
particular guideline, and I appreciate it's just for information. I

1962
04:38:54,464 --> 04:38:57,024
must admit I was a bit concerned at the rural

1963
04:38:57,024 --> 04:39:02,162
Main street definition. Under the definition of typology. In particular.

1964
04:39:03,866 --> 04:39:07,491
I don't agree with the underlying assumption. As it outlines.

1965
04:39:09,248 --> 04:39:15,060
That rural main streets. Will have primary function of mobility

1966
04:39:15,060 --> 04:39:17,900
with some place making, and I just don't agree with

1967
04:39:17,900 --> 04:39:21,871
that assumption. The main streets in our downtown towns and

1968
04:39:21,871 --> 04:39:26,195
villages are actually a huge place making space. And I

1969
04:39:26,195 --> 04:39:29,955
would really like our future policy to acknowledge that priority.

1970
04:39:31,360 --> 04:39:35,200
As well as I don't think it's a surprise. But

1971
04:39:35,200 --> 04:39:37,240
I'm not. A fan of what we did to downtown

1972
04:39:37,240 --> 04:39:39,720
baiton, and I don't ever want to. See that happen

1973
04:39:39,720 --> 04:39:43,720
again in a downtown core with street design that the

1974
04:39:43,720 --> 04:39:48,106
region is doing in communities. So I was hoping that

1975
04:39:48,106 --> 04:39:53,127
staff could take back. The definition and revise in particular.

1976
04:39:53,127 --> 04:39:54,967
I don't have issues with the other ones, but the

1977
04:39:54,967 --> 04:40:00,416
rural main street definition. Revised the guiding assumptions so that

1978
04:40:00,416 --> 04:40:03,736
it actually reflects our downtown cores, our primary center of

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04:40:03,736 --> 04:40:07,736
place, making community identity and economic activity, and if they

1980
04:40:07,736 --> 04:40:12,815
could report back. On the regular agenda to the February

1981
04:40:12,815 --> 04:40:16,775
committee meeting, which is February the 10th, with that updated

1982
04:40:16,775 --> 04:40:26,596
definition. Possible. Okay, Councilor Shawn. Thank you. Two things. If

1983
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I could. First of all, I just want to clarify.

1984
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These are guidelines. Not policy. And so. It's sort of

1985
04:40:34,764 --> 04:40:37,779
a starting point, so if I can just. Have that

1986
04:40:37,779 --> 04:40:44,519
clarified because. I had some discussions previously about policy that

1987
04:40:44,519 --> 04:40:49,482
was very rigid. And I saw you nodding, so that's

1988
04:40:49,482 --> 04:40:58,083
good enough. My real concern. Is really in this section

1989
04:40:58,083 --> 04:41:01,844
on horse and buggies. And I guess I would ask.

1990
04:41:03,718 --> 04:41:07,278
Who you were consulting with or who the author was

1991
04:41:07,278 --> 04:41:13,538
consulting with. One of the things it says. Is preferred

1992
04:41:13,538 --> 04:41:18,859
design approach has been informed by community feedback. And it

1993
04:41:18,859 --> 04:41:22,219
talks about a two and a half meter wide shoulder

1994
04:41:22,219 --> 04:41:27,339
consisting of one and a half meters paved asphalt to

1995
04:41:27,339 --> 04:41:33,659
accommodate people cycling and a 1 meter unpaved gravel portion,

1996
04:41:33,659 --> 04:41:37,020
and then. It just disappeared. But then it goes on

1997
04:41:37,020 --> 04:41:41,860
to say that buggies are 1.65 meters. And they can

1998
04:41:41,860 --> 04:41:45,962
straddle. A car can straddle as well. Do you want

1999
04:41:45,962 --> 04:41:51,685
to drive half on Asheville and. Half on gravel. It's

2000
04:41:51,685 --> 04:41:58,104
not good information, and so I question. A few of

2001
04:41:58,104 --> 04:42:02,493
the pieces. Also, I didn't see any reference to farm

2002
04:42:02,493 --> 04:42:06,093
vehicles which are wider than one lane. These days, many

2003
04:42:06,093 --> 04:42:10,352
of them. I think at least the world where I

2004
04:42:10,352 --> 04:42:18,012
spent the most time. That section. Needs some editing. Yeah,

2005
04:42:18,012 --> 04:42:21,252
through your chair. Thank you both councilor salon and councilor

2006
04:42:21,252 --> 04:42:24,572
Sean. So, first part is serve it at your pleasure.

2007
04:42:24,572 --> 04:42:26,052
So we're happy to go back and have a look

2008
04:42:26,052 --> 04:42:29,212
and. Update councilor salon and I think your thought on

2009
04:42:29,212 --> 04:42:31,892
February 10 makes sense. Council Sean says you know we're

2010
04:42:31,892 --> 04:42:33,612
about to. And Mike's going to tell us about the

2011
04:42:33,612 --> 04:42:38,929
shortly launch. Into integrated mobility plan consultation. So ongoing engagement

2012
04:42:38,929 --> 04:42:41,769
and learning. So we'll go back and take a look

2013
04:42:41,769 --> 04:42:44,169
at both horse and buggy and the farm vehicles and

2014
04:42:44,169 --> 04:42:47,009
just make sure that we've got those pieces. Right. And

2015
04:42:47,009 --> 04:42:49,249
we've heard from our road users that that's what they

2016
04:42:49,249 --> 04:42:51,769
want to see in it as well. And just to

2017
04:42:51,769 --> 04:42:54,209
make sure, yes, guidelines, not policy. And this will become

2018
04:42:54,209 --> 04:42:57,855
clear through Mike's presentation. What you're seeing there. Especially in

2019
04:42:57,855 --> 04:43:00,695
the visuals, are an unconstrained cross section. We never get

2020
04:43:00,695 --> 04:43:03,317
one of those. You never get the widest road. You

2021
04:43:03,317 --> 04:43:05,077
always have constraints and things you need to do to

2022
04:43:05,077 --> 04:43:07,877
kind of manage. So the key point being these will

2023
04:43:07,877 --> 04:43:11,077
come back every single time, is project approval. On individual

2024
04:43:11,077 --> 04:43:13,757
projects. But the guidelines are important for our team, so

2025
04:43:13,757 --> 04:43:15,797
we'll make sure we've got the definitions and pieces right.

2026
04:43:17,511 --> 04:43:20,410
Yeah, if I can say. I do appreciate that, but.

2027
04:43:22,006 --> 04:43:24,566
I would also appreciate that the guidelines where they're not

2028
04:43:24,566 --> 04:43:29,273
accurate be updated because. I've seen that staff rely on

2029
04:43:29,273 --> 04:43:35,038
them quite a bit. And if, in fact, You have

2030
04:43:35,038 --> 04:43:37,758
consulted with the community and they've come back to say

2031
04:43:37,758 --> 04:43:40,278
that, yes, we like driving our horse and buggies half

2032
04:43:40,278 --> 04:43:44,791
on gravel and half on Ashevolt. I would like to

2033
04:43:44,791 --> 04:43:48,671
know who you've consulted, because the folks I've talked to

2034
04:43:48,671 --> 04:43:55,694
don't. Councilor Foxton. Thank you. And absolutely beautiful. And I

2035
04:43:55,694 --> 04:43:58,094
love all the lanes in that. How does anybody cross

2036
04:43:58,094 --> 04:44:03,516
the street? With a walking lane, a bike lane, buggy

2037
04:44:03,516 --> 04:44:06,956
lane, two lines of traffic LRT down the middle. How

2038
04:44:06,956 --> 04:44:09,316
do you get across the street and how long will

2039
04:44:09,316 --> 04:44:13,156
it take you through you chair? It's a really good

2040
04:44:13,156 --> 04:44:15,476
question, Councilor Foxton, and it speaks to some of the

2041
04:44:15,476 --> 04:44:17,836
challenges we have on regional roads, right where we move

2042
04:44:17,836 --> 04:44:20,848
significant numbers of people. In freight and we need to

2043
04:44:20,848 --> 04:44:23,888
do that in wider corridor. So, look, there's some pieces.

2044
04:44:23,888 --> 04:44:26,848
In there about single lane roundabouts. As you know, we

2045
04:44:26,848 --> 04:44:29,888
use pedestrian refuge islands or spots at halfway across the

2046
04:44:29,888 --> 04:44:31,768
road. We've had a lot of discussions at this table

2047
04:44:31,768 --> 04:44:35,408
about signal timing. And adequate signal timing for crossings. We're

2048
04:44:35,408 --> 04:44:38,048
also running the roundabout safety pilot, as you know. Looking

2049
04:44:38,048 --> 04:44:42,175
at raised crosswalk. So. Moving people and goods is the

2050
04:44:42,175 --> 04:44:44,961
first challenge. And making sure that we can do that

2051
04:44:44,961 --> 04:44:48,001
through intersections is part of that challenge. So I know

2052
04:44:48,001 --> 04:44:50,561
it's not specifically referenced in there, but I think we've

2053
04:44:50,561 --> 04:44:53,881
got a lot of work going on on intersections and

2054
04:44:53,881 --> 04:44:58,952
roundabouts. Thank you. And I also thought about. A walkway

2055
04:44:58,952 --> 04:45:01,312
over the roads, but people with disability can't get up

2056
04:45:01,312 --> 04:45:05,202
the walkway to go. Across the wall, so, yeah. I'm

2057
04:45:05,202 --> 04:45:10,641
just thinking. Thank you. Thank you. Councilor Hunich. Thank you,

2058
04:45:10,641 --> 04:45:15,780
chair. Mr. Spinner. In other countries in the world, the

2059
04:45:15,780 --> 04:45:20,620
pedestrian crosswalks are located at least 400 meters from the

2060
04:45:20,620 --> 04:45:25,780
roundabout, which to me seems safer for everyone and more

2061
04:45:25,780 --> 04:45:30,090
effective for everyone. Do you know? Could you speak to.

2062
04:45:31,540 --> 04:45:36,768
Why in Ontario? We're aspiring to crosswalk in the roundabout.

2063
04:45:38,118 --> 04:45:42,838
Or pedestrian crossings within roundabouts. Yep. Pretty straightforward through your

2064
04:45:42,838 --> 04:45:47,237
chair. So people like to get to main destinations and

2065
04:45:47,237 --> 04:45:49,877
bus stops and other things that tend to exist. At

2066
04:45:49,877 --> 04:45:53,738
intersections. And so to take a vulnerable road user, such

2067
04:45:53,738 --> 04:45:56,258
as a pedestrian, and make them travel an extra 400

2068
04:45:56,258 --> 04:45:58,938
meters on foot to get to their destinations is not

2069
04:45:58,938 --> 04:46:01,861
how we like to approach it, so. It's the time

2070
04:46:01,861 --> 04:46:04,541
challenge. And again, on roundabouts, we know we have better

2071
04:46:04,541 --> 04:46:08,580
pedestrian safety. Than we do. In managed intersections. But again,

2072
04:46:08,580 --> 04:46:12,657
it's really that time inconvenience and that time loss. And

2073
04:46:12,657 --> 04:46:14,937
we feel like we are doing it at the roundabouts

2074
04:46:14,937 --> 04:46:17,657
and we'll continue with the roundabout safety pilot to get

2075
04:46:17,657 --> 04:46:24,127
that right. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Acting commissioner

2076
04:46:24,127 --> 04:46:28,407
Spooner. That concludes our consent agenda. That was a report

2077
04:46:28,407 --> 04:46:31,951
for information. Councilor Rodriguez, you have something to add or

2078
04:46:31,951 --> 04:46:35,271
a question? Yeah. Thanks, chair. Now that this is. Changing

2079
04:46:35,271 --> 04:46:38,191
from for information item. I'll have to declare conflict on

2080
04:46:38,191 --> 04:46:41,421
this item. So I'll file the necessary paperwork and get

2081
04:46:41,421 --> 04:46:47,079
that over to the clerk. Thank you. Okay. Regular agenda.

2082
04:46:48,867 --> 04:46:51,107
The first item we have is a report regarding the

2083
04:46:51,107 --> 04:46:55,467
expropriation of lands for road improvements to Fisher home and

2084
04:46:55,467 --> 04:47:00,718
road between Bleams Road and Plains Road in Kitchener. This

2085
04:47:00,718 --> 04:47:05,695
does come with. A recommendation. I'm going to call on

2086
04:47:05,695 --> 04:47:09,895
Fiona McCray, the regional solicitor, to provide an introduction for

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this report. Thank you. Chair, James. And through you. This

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report relates to the commencement of the application to expropriate,

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so. This is the first step in the process. And

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the lands identified are six temporary easements for construction purposes,

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04:47:30,419 --> 04:47:35,191
grading restoration works. Phases one and two of this project

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04:47:35,191 --> 04:47:40,567
were completed in 2021 and 2024, respectively. This is for

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04:47:40,567 --> 04:47:43,247
the final phase that is commencing in the spring of

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2026. Of the six temporary easements, four had previously been

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04:47:48,915 --> 04:47:52,555
expropriated and had since expired. And so they need to

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be renewed through the expropriation process. The project in total

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04:47:57,145 --> 04:48:02,415
will impact 14 properties. Five of which. Are owned by

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04:48:02,415 --> 04:48:05,335
the city and city of Kitchener and the school board.

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And an agreement is anticipated there. There are three temporary.

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Consents to enter. That we will be negotiating. For smaller

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04:48:18,464 --> 04:48:24,129
grading activities, and then. Two easement requirements have already been

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04:48:24,129 --> 04:48:29,369
agreed to buy agreement with two owners to other owners.

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All of the affected owners or their representatives have been

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04:48:31,809 --> 04:48:35,209
notified of this report coming forward, as well as the

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04:48:35,209 --> 04:48:38,449
need for the property and have been in contact with

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real estate and legal services staff regarding the proposed acquisition.

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Thank you. I see no questions. But I do need

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to move her in a seconder for this. Is my

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04:48:50,133 --> 04:48:55,373
counselor McCabe, seconded by Councilor Rodriguez. You will be prompted

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in Esgibe.

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Okay, that is carried. We are now moving on to

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item. 9.2. Equitable services and opportunities the integrated

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mobility plan project outline. This is for information, but I

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04:49:33,499 --> 04:49:37,917
would. Introduce Doug Spooner, acting commissioner of transportations, to provide

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information. Thank you, chair James Council. I'm really excited to

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introduce and launch the integrated mobility plan. Today with you.

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As you know, in 2025, with your support, we confirm

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the advancement of two. Key transportation plans. Advancing ion late

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rail to Cambridge and the adoption of the GRT business

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04:49:57,131 --> 04:50:01,206
plan. The integrated mobility plan will now consume those plans

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04:50:01,206 --> 04:50:04,806
and incorporate them and then set our transportation priorities. For

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the region for the next 25 years. Since our last

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04:50:07,959 --> 04:50:11,439
transportation plan in 2018, our region continues to change and

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04:50:11,439 --> 04:50:16,510
grow. And as you know, transportation is also changing. Rideshare

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04:50:16,510 --> 04:50:19,670
services, same day deliveries, autonomous vehicles and new mobility devices.

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04:50:21,569 --> 04:50:23,569
Are all starting to ask for space in our roadways,

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04:50:23,569 --> 04:50:26,689
in our corridors. It's important. That our new plan reflects

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04:50:26,689 --> 04:50:30,369
these changes, but keeps us thinking forward towards growth while

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04:50:30,369 --> 04:50:33,969
managing our own. Assets efficiently and wisely. Council, we're going

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04:50:33,969 --> 04:50:38,509
to start with three themes. Safety for all users. As

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04:50:38,509 --> 04:50:40,749
you know, we have an average of 15 deaths and

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04:50:40,749 --> 04:50:44,029
100 serious injuries. Each year in our shared roadways. This

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is a focus for our team today and every day.

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And will remain so in this plan. Performance. Now, this

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04:50:49,349 --> 04:50:54,109
is about network performance and more accurately, networks plural. We've

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got networks of roads, transit, cycling, walking. Horse and buggy.

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04:50:57,437 --> 04:51:01,148
Heavy freight. Local goods movement. And all of these have

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04:51:01,148 --> 04:51:04,713
ever changing needs in our networks. In our overall network,

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but. It's how we get there, but also how the

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04:51:07,048 --> 04:51:09,848
things that we want and need to get there. And

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finally, choice and affordability. So it's a critical element we

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04:51:12,768 --> 04:51:15,754
talk about. This a lot. For the region in terms

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04:51:15,754 --> 04:51:18,634
of our assets and operations maintenance into the future, but

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also for our residents. Some updated numbers the CAA reported

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04:51:22,274 --> 04:51:25,434
that in 2025, the average cost of car ownership for

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04:51:25,434 --> 04:51:30,803
a year was $16,000. Auto Trader reported that for 2025,

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04:51:30,803 --> 04:51:33,763
the average cost of a new car is $64,000 and

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04:51:33,763 --> 04:51:38,574
a used car is $35,000. Just because selling never stops.

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04:51:38,574 --> 04:51:41,774
A GRT monthly pass for an entire year is roughly

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04:51:41,774 --> 04:51:44,534
one $200 so if we are talking about affordability, we

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04:51:44,534 --> 04:51:46,774
have some real options that we can provide. To residents

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04:51:46,774 --> 04:51:49,776
of the region. Council. As you've seen in our previous

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04:51:49,776 --> 04:51:52,856
transportation plans, we'll engage the community and stakeholders and will

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04:51:52,856 --> 04:51:55,336
ensure that this plan reflects things that are important to

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04:51:55,336 --> 04:51:58,256
our community while we align with the region's strategic plan.

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04:52:00,025 --> 04:52:01,905
And I now like to welcome Mike Henderson, director of

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04:52:01,905 --> 04:52:04,865
transportation services, to take us through the report. And presentation,

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and we will welcome questions following. Thank you. Thank you

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04:52:08,084 --> 04:52:15,237
very much, Commissioner Spooner. I'll be brief on the agenda

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and through you chair James. Thank you very much, counsel.

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We're really excited. The transportation division is really excited to

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04:52:23,380 --> 04:52:27,380
bring the first step of our integrated mobility plan and

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04:52:27,380 --> 04:52:29,940
present that to council. I'll be brief. I know we

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have a lot on the agenda today. Those are the

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issues that I'm going to discuss in my presentation. Next

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slide, please. Today we are introducing the beginning of waterdew

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04:52:38,279 --> 04:52:47,690
regions integrated mobility plan. Together. Sorry. Today we are introducing

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the beginning of Waterdew region's integrated mobility plan a. Long

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04:52:51,010 --> 04:52:55,730
term framework that brings together transportation, land use, climate goals,

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and economic development into a single, coordinated vision for how

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04:53:00,050 --> 04:53:03,770
people move across our region. As Waterdew region continues to

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04:53:03,770 --> 04:53:07,855
grow, our transportation. Network must evolve to meet those changing

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04:53:07,855 --> 04:53:13,855
needs. Residents and businesses require safe, reliable, affordable and sustainable

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04:53:13,855 --> 04:53:18,135
ways to travel, whether it be by transit, walking, rolling,

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04:53:18,135 --> 04:53:23,895
cycling, driving, goods movement, or any of the emerging mobility

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04:53:23,895 --> 04:53:27,701
options. This plan recognizes. That no single mode can meet

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those needs alone. Instead, it focuses on equity and integration,

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04:53:32,901 --> 04:53:37,301
connecting services and infrastructure and policy so that moving around

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the region is simpler, more efficient. And more inclusive for

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04:53:41,607 --> 04:53:46,147
everyone. The integrated mobility plan will be grounded in solid

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04:53:46,147 --> 04:53:51,307
transportation modeling, which is guided by extensive data analysis. Community

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04:53:51,307 --> 04:53:56,467
input and collaboration across all of our municipal partners and

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04:53:56,467 --> 04:54:01,947
agencies. It supports our commitments to climate action, equity, accessibility

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04:54:01,947 --> 04:54:05,545
and economic competitive. Competitiveness while preparing the region for future

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04:54:05,545 --> 04:54:10,556
growth and innovation. Today's introduction marks an important step forward

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for a more connected, resilient people focused transportation system for

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water new region next slide, please. Since 1999, Waterdoo Region

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has continued to advance our transportation network over the past

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04:54:23,686 --> 04:54:29,006
three master plans. In 1999, integration of a municipal transit

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04:54:29,006 --> 04:54:33,446
service created a unified regional system that improved connectivity in

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04:54:33,446 --> 04:54:42,053
coordinated planning in. 2010. The rapid transit recommendation aligned transportation

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with growth and intensification, providing a high capacity backbone that

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supports economic development. Viable alternatives to driving by 2018. Road

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space rationalization shifted the focus from not only moving vehicles

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04:54:57,497 --> 04:55:02,297
to moving people, enabling safer, more inclusive streets. A better

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04:55:02,297 --> 04:55:05,537
use of our limited road space for all residents. Next

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slide, please. The integrated mobility plan is guided, as Doug

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04:55:10,105 --> 04:55:14,705
stated, by three core pillars, safety, network, performance, and choice.

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And affordability. Safety prioritizes protecting all road users through improvements

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to street design and commitment to reducing serious injuries and

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fatalities. Network performance focuses on moving people goods efficiently by

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improving our road network condition, reliability, connectivity, and the effective

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04:55:38,492 --> 04:55:43,859
life cycle planning of our existing infrastructure. Choice and affordability

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ensures residents have access to a range of convenient, accessible,

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04:55:49,179 --> 04:55:53,579
and affordable transportation options that meet our community's diverse and

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ever evolving needs. Next slide, please. Getting into the street

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design guidelines. The regional Waterloo has updated the draft street

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design guidelines which prioritizes streets that are safe, inclusive and

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designed for people of all ages and abilities. They adjust

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the focus from moving not only vehicles to moving people

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by balancing space for walking. Cy. Cycling, rolling transit, goods

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04:56:19,552 --> 04:56:23,432
movement and driving within our limited right of way space.

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The updated guidelines provide a consistent and flexible framework that

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supports safety, climate goals, vibrant communities while accommodating growth and

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04:56:33,552 --> 04:56:38,126
changing mobility needs. The updated guidelines also provide. A decision

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matrix for our engineers and designers to consider the specific

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right of way constraints in order to tailor the design

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to the typology. 's key deliverable needs. Next slide, please.

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Discussing. The different and new typologies. First, we have a

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rural connector which primary focus. Primary function of. Is mobility

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with low level of place making low density built form

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with large setbacks, that is. Typically not street oriented. And

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04:57:12,725 --> 04:57:16,334
have a high degree of access control. High speed, high

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vehicle speeds and volume is in this context, but it

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also serves to slow moving it also serves slow moving

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agricultural vehicles and horse and buggy traffic. No curbside activity.

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Low frequency of intersections. That's just a generalized context of

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the rural connector, the rural main streets. Primary function of

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04:57:37,030 --> 04:57:41,230
mobility with some place making limited density large setbacks with

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04:57:41,230 --> 04:57:45,972
modern degree of access. Control. Moderate vehicle speeds and volume.

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04:57:45,972 --> 04:57:50,172
Context may also serve slow moving agricultural vehicles and horse

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and buggy traffic. Some curbside activity with low frequency intersections.

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Next slide, please. Onto the urban connector. Its primary function.

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Of mobility with a low level of placemaking, low density

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built form with large setbacks that are typically not street

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oriented and a high degree of access control, moderate to

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04:58:13,964 --> 04:58:18,918
high vehicle speeds and volume, context. No curbside activity. Low

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frequency of intersections. Moving on to the urban avenue. Balanced

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functions of mobility. And placemaking mixed land use with varying

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setbacks that may become street oriented and moderate degree of

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04:58:31,918 --> 04:58:36,637
access control. Low to moderate vehicle speeds and volume. Context

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limited curbside activity with medium to frequency. Medium frequency of

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intersections onto the urban main primary function. Is next. Slide

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or. No, stay on the side. Sorry. Primary function of

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access and placemaking, over. Mobility mixture of street oriented built

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form in varying size, with small or no setbacks with

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04:58:59,149 --> 04:59:03,589
vehicle accesses provided via rear laneways low vehicle speed and

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04:59:03,589 --> 04:59:08,483
volume context high frequency of cur. Curbside activity at intersections.

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Next slide, please. The region's 2018 moving Forward plan established

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a solid framework to optimize the transportation network by investing

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in projects that improve efficiency, reliability, and safety. It also

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promoted travel choice by prioritizing transit, active transportation. And strategic

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04:59:30,885 --> 04:59:35,565
road investments that support diverse mobility needs. This approach helped

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to strengthen the regional economy. Economy while ensuring our transportation

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investments. Supported sustainable development and long term growth objectives. Next

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slide, please. The Imp's new model will reexamine the proposed

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schedules and needs for all major projects, including the Elmyra

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04:59:55,992 --> 05:00:00,192
bypass and McQueen Shaver Boulevard, to ensure that these major

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projects continue. To align with the current transportation priorities, growth

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patterns. And evolving community needs. This review assesses their role

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in optimizing the regional network, supporting travel, choice and advancing

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economic and sustainable development objectives. Next slide, please. The engagement

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schedule, as seen in this slide for the integrated mobility.

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Plan is structured in three phases to ensure broad and

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meaningful input. Phase 1 March to July of 2026. This

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05:00:38,763 --> 05:00:44,003
year focuses on gathering the resident's perspectives to identify priorities,

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pain points, and options. Phase two engages community groups, council

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05:00:49,715 --> 05:00:52,635
and committees of council to explore these topics in more

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depth. While phase three allows for follows up the draft

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plan to validate feedback, identify gaps, and understand what stakeholders

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05:01:02,955 --> 05:01:06,445
support or oppose. And with that, I would say thank

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05:01:06,445 --> 05:01:09,525
you very much for the opportunity to present. Thank you,

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Mike. We have a number of questions for you. And

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05:01:14,808 --> 05:01:17,608
staff who are here as well to help respond. So,

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Councilor Hunich, I have you up first through the chair.

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Thank you, Mike, for the report and for the accompanying

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excellent presentation. This is very exciting. My question is, with

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respect to. Safety. Or the perception of safety, so I'm

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sure. That our LRT ion station guidelines comply with the

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Anteriors with Disabilities Act. Yet when I go on Mallor

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tea platform, particularly when I have to pass by other

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05:01:49,540 --> 05:01:53,380
customers. Or there's a shelter that's kind of occupied the

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05:01:53,380 --> 05:01:59,012
middle space, I feel. Very unsafe, as though. A small

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05:01:59,012 --> 05:02:02,372
misstep would cause me to fall off the platform and

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05:02:02,372 --> 05:02:06,999
not get back on. So could you clarify? Is this

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05:02:06,999 --> 05:02:10,399
a good stage? Would there be an option to widen

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05:02:10,399 --> 05:02:18,437
LRT stations for these two? Are there other safety features

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05:02:18,437 --> 05:02:23,117
we can introduce, such as? The railing or something? Something.

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05:02:23,117 --> 05:02:28,836
I don't. Know, but improving perception of safety here. Through

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05:02:28,836 --> 05:02:33,014
your chair, Councilor Hunich. I'll take that one. So I

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think you've hit something interesting, and I think it's a

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05:02:35,334 --> 05:02:39,134
good thought. For council to have, which is the Aoda

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gives us a design spec. And so in some instances,

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05:02:43,776 --> 05:02:47,893
it'll tell us you need to. Have a pathway that

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05:02:47,893 --> 05:02:53,065
is 1.6 meters wide. Great. And then when we do

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05:02:53,065 --> 05:02:55,145
engagement. Councilor Hunich, you and I have had this specific.

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05:02:55,145 --> 05:02:58,745
Conversation with the community. 1.6 meters isn't wide enough for

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05:02:58,745 --> 05:03:02,411
two power wheelchairs. To pass each other. And so while

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we would have built it to standard, and I would

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sit here and say yes. We've hit everything in the

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aoda. From a user perspective, we would not have. Designed

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spec are frequently inadequate. And that's not Grt's fault. I

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think the answer here is. Universal design is beyond the

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Aoda, but there's also a considerable. Bit of work for

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05:03:24,933 --> 05:03:28,805
us to do on. What does that mean? More pavement

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is more expensive, both in terms of constructing, but also

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05:03:31,165 --> 05:03:35,612
in terms of operations and maintenance. We think about stage

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05:03:35,612 --> 05:03:39,293
two? Lrt we talk a lot about. The large median.

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That's down by sports world. There's a plan for all

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of that space. But, Councilor Hunich, I would. Say the

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plan that Mike and his team will put forward will

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address universal design. It will address accessibility. I don't know

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if it will get specifically into LRT platform wits. But

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we have another team that is happy to take a

2315
05:03:59,213 --> 05:04:03,453
look at that, so we'll take that under advisement. Okay.

2316
05:04:03,453 --> 05:04:06,812
Thank you. Thank you, Councilor Rodriguez. Yeah, thanks. Chair. And

2317
05:04:06,812 --> 05:04:09,332
through you to Mike. Thanks so much for the presentation.

2318
05:04:09,332 --> 05:04:12,606
Really excited to see this come together. A couple of

2319
05:04:12,606 --> 05:04:14,646
questions on the last slide you spoke to. I guess

2320
05:04:14,646 --> 05:04:19,431
some engagement with council. In the later half of the

2321
05:04:19,431 --> 05:04:22,775
year. I think one thing that we see with this

2322
05:04:22,775 --> 05:04:26,015
council is a lot of great conversation about transportation. Projects

2323
05:04:26,015 --> 05:04:28,535
on an ongoing basis. And how can we funnel those

2324
05:04:28,535 --> 05:04:32,562
into something like this? And so do you expect there'll

2325
05:04:32,562 --> 05:04:35,402
be any workshops or anything in sort of small sessions?

2326
05:04:35,402 --> 05:04:38,802
For us to have conversations and really talk. I think

2327
05:04:38,802 --> 05:04:42,970
each counselor. Each person around this table has ideas to

2328
05:04:42,970 --> 05:04:46,290
share and things that their community would like to see.

2329
05:04:46,290 --> 05:04:49,170
Reflected in a plan. So could you maybe comment on

2330
05:04:49,170 --> 05:04:53,570
when council will have those opportunities to weigh? In. Take

2331
05:04:53,570 --> 05:04:58,051
that. Yes, it'll follow the original or to follow the

2332
05:04:58,051 --> 05:05:01,891
first engagement with the public and we'll be following up

2333
05:05:01,891 --> 05:05:03,811
at about the middle of the year and setting up.

2334
05:05:05,634 --> 05:05:10,545
Some good discussions. Where. We'll get into the details of

2335
05:05:10,545 --> 05:05:14,468
the plan and get feedback. So. It'll be, I think,

2336
05:05:14,468 --> 05:05:16,308
as I alluded to, the middle of the year. So

2337
05:05:16,308 --> 05:05:19,828
you'll start to see some emails from our transportation staff.

2338
05:05:21,215 --> 05:05:25,182
Gathering and setting up these sessions. That's awesome. And I

2339
05:05:25,182 --> 05:05:30,039
think my other question just relates to. The always evolving

2340
05:05:30,039 --> 05:05:33,159
legislative context that we find ourselves now operating in with

2341
05:05:33,159 --> 05:05:36,079
respect to transportation and this might be a little premature.

2342
05:05:37,492 --> 05:05:39,772
But can you speak to how we can set up

2343
05:05:39,772 --> 05:05:42,852
a plan that actually works for our region? And perhaps

2344
05:05:42,852 --> 05:05:45,412
rises above some of the noise that we're seeing right

2345
05:05:45,412 --> 05:05:48,652
now with respect to provincial legislation around our road space

2346
05:05:48,652 --> 05:05:52,292
and provides your team the flexibility to do the work

2347
05:05:52,292 --> 05:05:59,745
that you do. Allows us to meet provincial requirements. As

2348
05:05:59,745 --> 05:06:02,545
those change, I suspect they'll change in the years to

2349
05:06:02,545 --> 05:06:06,628
come. Over the life of this plan. Yeah. I think

2350
05:06:06,628 --> 05:06:08,868
we can't get to a place where we're not doing

2351
05:06:08,868 --> 05:06:11,534
things. Or at least thinking about how we want them

2352
05:06:11,534 --> 05:06:14,014
to be in the future because of something that we

2353
05:06:14,014 --> 05:06:18,614
may be locked in with right now. Yeah. Certainly agree

2354
05:06:18,614 --> 05:06:23,472
that some of the recent provincial legislation. Has been difficult.

2355
05:06:25,168 --> 05:06:29,708
For us in transportation. I think I talked a little

2356
05:06:29,708 --> 05:06:33,148
bit about our new model. We are looking into an

2357
05:06:33,148 --> 05:06:40,220
activity based model. That activity based model really. Changes from

2358
05:06:40,220 --> 05:06:42,500
the existing model that we're using now, which is trip

2359
05:06:42,500 --> 05:06:46,020
based, and the core of an activity based model, which

2360
05:06:46,020 --> 05:06:49,341
we are very lucky in this region. To be able

2361
05:06:49,341 --> 05:06:54,693
to get into the transformation tomorrow. Survey. Our data is

2362
05:06:54,693 --> 05:06:59,810
based on that. What the new activity based model will

2363
05:06:59,810 --> 05:07:04,090
do is really help us understand the existing travel patterns

2364
05:07:04,090 --> 05:07:07,794
that are actually occurring in the region. It will break

2365
05:07:07,794 --> 05:07:13,332
down. Why people are making those decisions. It will allow

2366
05:07:13,332 --> 05:07:17,172
us to become more integrated with what is actually happening

2367
05:07:17,172 --> 05:07:21,132
with the residents and the businesses of the region, so

2368
05:07:21,132 --> 05:07:25,052
it's going to be much more reflective of the existing

2369
05:07:25,052 --> 05:07:28,628
travel patterns that are happening. And provide us more focus.

2370
05:07:30,257 --> 05:07:33,577
In specific and strategic areas with how we go about

2371
05:07:33,577 --> 05:07:39,112
prioritizing some routes being more. Vehicle centric, some routes being

2372
05:07:39,112 --> 05:07:43,032
more pedestrian centric, I would give an example of King

2373
05:07:43,032 --> 05:07:49,428
street. In downtown or uptown? Waterloo. Excuse me. And University

2374
05:07:49,428 --> 05:07:52,188
Avenue. Those are areas that have a much higher concentration

2375
05:07:52,188 --> 05:07:56,687
of students. They travel differently than does a 50 or

2376
05:07:56,687 --> 05:08:01,193
60 year old man like myself. They make different transportation

2377
05:08:01,193 --> 05:08:03,913
choices. So an activity based model is going to really

2378
05:08:03,913 --> 05:08:07,604
help us understand. What's happening with our community and how

2379
05:08:07,604 --> 05:08:12,414
they're traveling. It's much more focused on the adjacent land

2380
05:08:12,414 --> 05:08:16,131
use, so it'll give us some great flexibility. Hopefully in

2381
05:08:16,131 --> 05:08:19,131
understanding those patterns and understanding where we need to go

2382
05:08:19,131 --> 05:08:22,391
in specific areas of the region. We, of course, have

2383
05:08:22,391 --> 05:08:26,711
a mix of rural roads and urban roads. Those have

2384
05:08:26,711 --> 05:08:30,311
very different needs and demands. People that live in rural

2385
05:08:30,311 --> 05:08:34,751
areas need to drive, in many instances, to work where

2386
05:08:34,751 --> 05:08:38,271
someone who is living in downtown Kitchener or downtown Waterdew.

2387
05:08:38,271 --> 05:08:41,431
Might not even need to own a car. So an

2388
05:08:41,431 --> 05:08:44,402
activity. Based model is really going to help us. Get

2389
05:08:44,402 --> 05:08:48,202
a deeper understanding of those travel patterns and help grow

2390
05:08:48,202 --> 05:08:53,320
along with our community. And matching those community needs. So

2391
05:08:53,320 --> 05:08:56,760
again, of course, some of the legislation has been challenging

2392
05:08:56,760 --> 05:09:00,840
lately, but we are finding solutions through understanding land use

2393
05:09:00,840 --> 05:09:03,360
and understanding how our public is actually traveling and how

2394
05:09:03,360 --> 05:09:07,160
they will travel that's. Great. And I think you touched

2395
05:09:07,160 --> 05:09:10,000
on a really important point that I'm hoping as this

2396
05:09:10,000 --> 05:09:14,363
process evolves is that these difficult and perhaps. Tacky conversations

2397
05:09:14,363 --> 05:09:17,043
can happen with the community and council. But what we

2398
05:09:17,043 --> 05:09:21,727
mean by when we say something like prioritizing. An active

2399
05:09:21,727 --> 05:09:25,367
mode. That means deprioritizing other things, and I'm speaking in

2400
05:09:25,367 --> 05:09:29,868
a very urban context right now, but I think. There's

2401
05:09:29,868 --> 05:09:31,748
some trade offs that I think I'll come to light

2402
05:09:31,748 --> 05:09:35,203
through this process. That the community can understand. And really

2403
05:09:35,203 --> 05:09:38,603
see themselves in this plan of where they live or

2404
05:09:38,603 --> 05:09:41,403
where they work, how they get between those places. I

2405
05:09:41,403 --> 05:09:43,443
think this messaging came through a stage. One eye on

2406
05:09:43,443 --> 05:09:46,243
where it was. Yeah. We want you to ride it,

2407
05:09:46,243 --> 05:09:48,003
but we're not asking you to sell your car. This

2408
05:09:48,003 --> 05:09:50,563
is an option for you should you choose and in

2409
05:09:50,563 --> 05:09:54,003
fact will make your driving experience better as we take

2410
05:09:54,003 --> 05:09:55,418
cars off the road and I. Think that message has

2411
05:09:55,418 --> 05:10:00,378
to keep permeating our conversations to keep a set of

2412
05:10:00,378 --> 05:10:04,162
culture war territory on this. So just some hopes for

2413
05:10:04,162 --> 05:10:05,882
this plan, and I'm really excited to see it come

2414
05:10:05,882 --> 05:10:10,602
together. 100% agree. Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Councilor Foxton.

2415
05:10:10,602 --> 05:10:13,122
Thank you. And through you. Chair. Yeah. I love it.

2416
05:10:13,122 --> 05:10:17,640
It's beautiful. My question is. So you want to change

2417
05:10:17,640 --> 05:10:22,327
the existing road workers? This just for new roads? With

2418
05:10:22,327 --> 05:10:27,777
the plan. Through you, Councilor Fox. We continue through our

2419
05:10:27,777 --> 05:10:31,537
ten year capital plan to make adjustments to roads that

2420
05:10:31,537 --> 05:10:34,737
need repair. In addition to new roads. And so then

2421
05:10:34,737 --> 05:10:37,977
you would implement. Just because I was thinking about it

2422
05:10:37,977 --> 05:10:41,017
and driving. Here today, and I was going up Weaver

2423
05:10:41,017 --> 05:10:43,137
street, and I thought, well, if they did this plan,

2424
05:10:43,137 --> 05:10:45,857
here. You'd have to remove all the houses. See a

2425
05:10:45,857 --> 05:10:49,638
lot of the downtown. Downtowns or main communities have houses

2426
05:10:49,638 --> 05:10:53,438
that are right at the sidewalk. So there's no room

2427
05:10:53,438 --> 05:10:56,762
to put. A walking path, a bike path, the two

2428
05:10:56,762 --> 05:11:01,621
lanes plus an LRT. If you recall the new street

2429
05:11:01,621 --> 05:11:09,059
design guidelines, draft guidelines. Replace a document called the context

2430
05:11:09,059 --> 05:11:14,899
sensitive corridor design guidelines and contact sensitive is important context

2431
05:11:14,899 --> 05:11:18,739
in this instance, in that it provides the designers and

2432
05:11:18,739 --> 05:11:23,059
the engineers a guide to consider exactly those kinds of

2433
05:11:23,059 --> 05:11:29,831
scenarios. Councilor Foxton, where we have constraints, physical constraints, so

2434
05:11:29,831 --> 05:11:33,831
it allows the designers to prioritize based on a decision

2435
05:11:33,831 --> 05:11:37,831
matrix and have trade offs because we do not have

2436
05:11:37,831 --> 05:11:41,591
a lot of unconstrained corridors. So our engineers are always

2437
05:11:41,591 --> 05:11:45,728
working with the street design guidelines in pri. Principle to

2438
05:11:45,728 --> 05:11:48,888
try to deliver the multimodal needs. And so one of

2439
05:11:48,888 --> 05:11:51,568
the other differences in regional roads from local roads is

2440
05:11:51,568 --> 05:11:54,088
we just have a lot more stuff packed into that

2441
05:11:54,088 --> 05:11:58,368
corridor a lot more infrastructure, a lot more built up

2442
05:11:58,368 --> 05:12:02,288
environment, a lot busier roads, more traffic. So we're certainly

2443
05:12:02,288 --> 05:12:04,808
sensitive to that. And that's part of what the street

2444
05:12:04,808 --> 05:12:08,164
design guide. Guidelines will help our engineering team decide. It's

2445
05:12:08,164 --> 05:12:11,995
always with context of the built up environment. So would

2446
05:12:11,995 --> 05:12:13,715
it be fair to say you'll do what you can

2447
05:12:13,715 --> 05:12:21,323
where you can? Yes, while balancing all of. The transportation

2448
05:12:21,323 --> 05:12:28,742
modes as equally as possible. Thank you, Councilor Salon. Thank

2449
05:12:28,742 --> 05:12:31,022
you through you chair. And thank you very much, Mike,

2450
05:12:31,022 --> 05:12:35,346
for bringing this forward and presenting it. Really excited about

2451
05:12:35,346 --> 05:12:38,106
some of the stuff. I am going to loop back

2452
05:12:38,106 --> 05:12:40,466
to some of the rural context I was talking about

2453
05:12:40,466 --> 05:12:44,131
before. In particular, looking at the main street design, and

2454
05:12:44,131 --> 05:12:47,131
I appreciate what you've said, that it's this kind of

2455
05:12:47,131 --> 05:12:50,491
a representation, but contextually, it would depend on each area

2456
05:12:50,491 --> 05:12:53,651
that we're looking at. But one thing that I noticed

2457
05:12:53,651 --> 05:12:58,291
is no on street parking shown at all. Which is

2458
05:12:58,291 --> 05:13:03,610
pretty important for our local. Businesses, especially because we have

2459
05:13:03,610 --> 05:13:06,850
limited parking in our downtown cores. And as you said,

2460
05:13:06,850 --> 05:13:10,300
most of us do rely on vehicles and rule. Actually

2461
05:13:10,300 --> 05:13:14,575
looking at it. On Statscan data. The median of all

2462
05:13:14,575 --> 05:13:19,183
of the townships, 92% of people rely on. A vehicle

2463
05:13:19,183 --> 05:13:22,937
to get to and from work. So definitely wondering if

2464
05:13:22,937 --> 05:13:25,737
you could speak to kind of how that element ties

2465
05:13:25,737 --> 05:13:28,537
in and then also curious. And again, I get that

2466
05:13:28,537 --> 05:13:34,447
these are just. Visualizing tools, but I'm going off of

2467
05:13:34,447 --> 05:13:38,562
what I'm seeing. Is that we have pedestrians on one

2468
05:13:38,562 --> 05:13:41,922
side of the street, but not pedestrian access on both

2469
05:13:41,922 --> 05:13:44,922
sides. Of the street. Again, referring specifically to the main

2470
05:13:44,922 --> 05:13:52,038
rule. Street design. And. Wondering if there were any assumptions

2471
05:13:52,038 --> 05:13:55,158
made about the fact that, demographically speaking, we have aging

2472
05:13:55,158 --> 05:13:58,398
populations. And so actually, there should be a bit more

2473
05:13:58,398 --> 05:14:02,358
of a contextual need, in my opinion, on both sidewalks

2474
05:14:02,358 --> 05:14:05,558
and vehicle access over the bike lanes. Not to say

2475
05:14:05,558 --> 05:14:08,723
that we shouldn't have them, but maybe looking. At a

2476
05:14:08,723 --> 05:14:12,803
pathway that's both for walking and for cycling and for

2477
05:14:12,803 --> 05:14:16,370
mobility. Aid. So curious if you could speak to any

2478
05:14:16,370 --> 05:14:21,800
of those points. Sure. Great question, Councilor Solomon. Yes, certainly.

2479
05:14:21,800 --> 05:14:27,519
With I'll answer. The parking question first. As regional council

2480
05:14:27,519 --> 05:14:29,679
is well aware, these are some of the challenges that

2481
05:14:29,679 --> 05:14:33,359
we're facing on a project by project basis. So again,

2482
05:14:33,359 --> 05:14:37,002
it's about context. We are never going to go into

2483
05:14:37,002 --> 05:14:40,896
a project. And completely say we are removing all of

2484
05:14:40,896 --> 05:14:45,056
the parking. That's a collaborative context, sensitive if you will

2485
05:14:45,056 --> 05:14:48,616
decision that the designers are making to try to balance

2486
05:14:48,616 --> 05:14:53,711
all mode shares. So. That will be a continuous discussion

2487
05:14:53,711 --> 05:14:57,631
with the area municipalities. It'll be a continuous discussion amongst

2488
05:14:57,631 --> 05:15:00,831
the engineers and designers again trying to balance the needs.

2489
05:15:02,485 --> 05:15:04,805
That happens on every project. It's happened in Arthur street,

2490
05:15:04,805 --> 05:15:09,125
in Elmira. It's happened in Anesley street in Cambridge, and

2491
05:15:09,125 --> 05:15:13,195
we are working with. The local ams to try to

2492
05:15:13,195 --> 05:15:17,115
find a resolution that suits both the businesses and the

2493
05:15:17,115 --> 05:15:20,820
people. Of the larger community as a whole. So the

2494
05:15:20,820 --> 05:15:22,220
second. Could you remind the second part of your question?

2495
05:15:25,509 --> 05:15:30,725
Again, just. In the mockup drawing here. It has pedestrians

2496
05:15:30,725 --> 05:15:33,205
just on one side and cyclists on the other. Side

2497
05:15:33,205 --> 05:15:36,885
of the road. So, speaking to that, and looking demographically,

2498
05:15:36,885 --> 05:15:39,485
how we have an aging population, and better suiting their

2499
05:15:39,485 --> 05:15:44,125
mobility needs. So, again, in most of the rural contexts,

2500
05:15:44,125 --> 05:15:47,485
in most contexts we would like to separate cycling and

2501
05:15:47,485 --> 05:15:52,079
pedestri. Pedestrians. There are speed differences, so. As those facilities

2502
05:15:52,079 --> 05:15:55,799
become more well used, you end up having more conflicts

2503
05:15:55,799 --> 05:15:58,079
between the people that are cycling and the people that

2504
05:15:58,079 --> 05:16:01,119
are walking. We try to build those as wide as

2505
05:16:01,119 --> 05:16:06,146
possible to prevent those conflicts. But. In a rural context.

2506
05:16:06,146 --> 05:16:10,648
Certainly the region is about providing. Active transportation facilities on

2507
05:16:10,648 --> 05:16:14,754
both sides of the road where possible. And just another

2508
05:16:14,754 --> 05:16:18,554
follow up. And then that's it. We got to keep

2509
05:16:18,554 --> 05:16:23,114
this moving. And what about snow removal responsibilities? Because as

2510
05:16:23,114 --> 05:16:27,034
I see those bike lanes that terrifying to me and

2511
05:16:27,034 --> 05:16:29,914
I know in Bayden, on the regional road. They are

2512
05:16:29,914 --> 05:16:34,194
not being plowed right now, so. Curious what that looks

2513
05:16:34,194 --> 05:16:38,913
like in this plan. Yes. When we build new sidewalks

2514
05:16:38,913 --> 05:16:43,233
or muts, those are transferred down to the area municipality

2515
05:16:43,233 --> 05:16:46,073
and are the responsibility of the area municipality. That's why.

2516
05:16:47,602 --> 05:16:51,451
It is so important that we get consensus. On these

2517
05:16:51,451 --> 05:16:55,512
issues. I know. That through this last winter season and

2518
05:16:55,512 --> 05:16:59,033
through this winter season, we do have challenges. In snow

2519
05:16:59,033 --> 05:17:04,396
clearing and snow removal. Because when you add. Active transportation

2520
05:17:04,396 --> 05:17:08,105
facilities and sidewalks. In some cases, where you have a

2521
05:17:08,105 --> 05:17:11,265
confined environment, you actually take away some of the local

2522
05:17:11,265 --> 05:17:17,084
snow. Storage. Ability. We have worked proactively with our active

2523
05:17:17,084 --> 05:17:21,216
transportation committee. We will continue to do so to try

2524
05:17:21,216 --> 05:17:28,305
to find solutions for snow removal. On both the muts

2525
05:17:28,305 --> 05:17:31,065
and the sidewalks. But it's certainly a challenge when that

2526
05:17:31,065 --> 05:17:35,131
snow needs to be lifted and removed. So we're conscious

2527
05:17:35,131 --> 05:17:40,244
of that. The new street design guidelines. Draft guidelines have

2528
05:17:40,244 --> 05:17:43,524
certainly had a significant impact from a maintenance point of

2529
05:17:43,524 --> 05:17:48,658
view. So we have gathered impact from our maintenance. Team

2530
05:17:48,658 --> 05:17:51,858
and the area municipalities maintenance teams, and we continue to

2531
05:17:51,858 --> 05:17:55,778
work with the local area municipalities to understand their challenges

2532
05:17:55,778 --> 05:18:01,962
for things like snow lifting and snow storage. In the

2533
05:18:01,962 --> 05:18:04,842
really bitter cold winters that we seem to be having

2534
05:18:04,842 --> 05:18:09,369
lately. And the massive amounts of snow that are accumulating,

2535
05:18:09,369 --> 05:18:13,289
so it's definitely a challenge. With that added infrastructure, but

2536
05:18:13,289 --> 05:18:18,129
not one that's not overcomeable. Thank you. Thank you, chair.

2537
05:18:18,129 --> 05:18:23,357
Edmund. Thank you, chair. James, I really appreciate the presentation.

2538
05:18:23,357 --> 05:18:24,997
I know that one of the pillars that we're looking

2539
05:18:24,997 --> 05:18:27,757
at is a safety lens. I'm assuming when I look

2540
05:18:27,757 --> 05:18:31,823
at. The street design, and I've tried to look at

2541
05:18:31,823 --> 05:18:35,223
the little mockups, too, but is lighting part of this

2542
05:18:35,223 --> 05:18:37,623
discussion because I know how things are lit is a

2543
05:18:37,623 --> 05:18:39,703
huge contributor to safety. I'm just wondering if you comment

2544
05:18:39,703 --> 05:18:43,783
on that. Thank you, Chair Redmond. Yes, we are certainly.

2545
05:18:46,021 --> 05:18:55,339
Working. Certainly working proactively. Continue the evolution.

2546
05:18:57,096 --> 05:19:00,776
Of the illumination policy. We have staff right now that

2547
05:19:00,776 --> 05:19:04,296
are working on updating that illumination policy. Looking at things

2548
05:19:04,296 --> 05:19:09,896
like pedestrian level lighting, looking at areas in roundabouts that

2549
05:19:09,896 --> 05:19:13,496
traditionally have not been very well lit. So the illumination

2550
05:19:13,496 --> 05:19:18,003
policy update is also happening this year. And will be

2551
05:19:18,003 --> 05:19:22,963
included. In a presentation to council probably later this year

2552
05:19:22,963 --> 05:19:26,083
or early in 27. As we work through those issues.

2553
05:19:26,083 --> 05:19:28,723
So lighting is certainly a concern in the street design

2554
05:19:28,723 --> 05:19:34,409
guidelines. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Gao. Thanks to you,

2555
05:19:34,409 --> 05:19:40,194
chair. Most of my questions have been answered. I would

2556
05:19:40,194 --> 05:19:43,423
fail at jeopardy on beeping in here. But I do

2557
05:19:43,423 --> 05:19:48,527
like the design. I know. I've had some questions. From

2558
05:19:48,527 --> 05:19:53,047
constituents along the Victoria street area. And if we had

2559
05:19:53,047 --> 05:19:56,385
something like this, because. They don't like the mixed use.

2560
05:19:57,796 --> 05:20:02,036
Cyclists and walking just because there's no real definition. And

2561
05:20:02,036 --> 05:20:06,036
I know I've talked to commissioner spooner about certain things.

2562
05:20:07,815 --> 05:20:13,482
So, just to reiterate, This isn't going to be. Here's

2563
05:20:13,482 --> 05:20:15,162
a rubber stamp. We're going to put it all over

2564
05:20:15,162 --> 05:20:18,082
the place. We are going to take into account different

2565
05:20:18,082 --> 05:20:22,882
areas like the rural areas, because I know that, as

2566
05:20:22,882 --> 05:20:26,275
it's been said, Most of the calls that I've received

2567
05:20:26,275 --> 05:20:30,055
from. Constituents is do not get rid of my parking.

2568
05:20:31,810 --> 05:20:40,790
Yes, always context sensitive, for sure. And. When these issues

2569
05:20:40,790 --> 05:20:45,427
come up, we would bring. Those for regional council deliberation

2570
05:20:45,427 --> 05:20:49,827
with the project approval report. So certainly understanding that there's.

2571
05:20:49,827 --> 05:20:54,641
Challenges in implementing this infrastructure. As I said before, context

2572
05:20:54,641 --> 05:20:57,681
sensitive. So it gives us a bit of a guideline

2573
05:20:57,681 --> 05:21:00,721
while trying to meet these multimodal needs of the community.

2574
05:21:03,534 --> 05:21:06,134
With understanding their reality that not every corridor is a

2575
05:21:06,134 --> 05:21:10,174
wide open space, that we have unlimited space. To place

2576
05:21:10,174 --> 05:21:13,294
that infrastructure, and so we're trying to make smarter decisions.

2577
05:21:14,662 --> 05:21:19,102
That strategically focus on the areas that we're in and

2578
05:21:19,102 --> 05:21:23,086
what those areas needs are. I spoke a little bit

2579
05:21:23,086 --> 05:21:27,411
about that. Answering an earlier question, but certainly these street

2580
05:21:27,411 --> 05:21:31,851
design guidelines are also a living document. Councilor galling as

2581
05:21:31,851 --> 05:21:35,371
well that we continue to improve and reflect best practice.

2582
05:21:36,613 --> 05:21:43,275
Thank you, Councilor Shant. Thank you. Two questions. Thanks for

2583
05:21:43,275 --> 05:21:47,669
the presentation. My first question is one that I need

2584
05:21:47,669 --> 05:21:53,360
to ask for my community because. You specifically mentioned the

2585
05:21:53,360 --> 05:21:57,840
Elmyra bypass and also McQueen shaver in terms of Cambridge,

2586
05:21:57,840 --> 05:22:02,008
so I. Know both of those were. Brought forward by

2587
05:22:02,008 --> 05:22:09,124
council. And suggested to be a high priority. Where does

2588
05:22:09,124 --> 05:22:14,257
that leave? These at this point. Through your chariot, councilor

2589
05:22:14,257 --> 05:22:16,017
Sean said, I'm happy to take that one, so you

2590
05:22:16,017 --> 05:22:18,577
can. See in the image that was up there? It's

2591
05:22:18,577 --> 05:22:20,657
not up there right now. There was a number of

2592
05:22:20,657 --> 05:22:24,057
projects in pink. Which were those beyond 2041. So the

2593
05:22:24,057 --> 05:22:27,097
exercise we're going to do this year, and Mike had

2594
05:22:27,097 --> 05:22:29,777
mentioned along with you, council is just to take a

2595
05:22:29,777 --> 05:22:34,544
look at that. There's over. 70 projects on that list.

2596
05:22:34,544 --> 05:22:38,685
So obviously. Plan and budget cycle we had advanced as

2597
05:22:38,685 --> 05:22:41,085
a placeholder. The example of the Umayyer bypass. So then

2598
05:22:41,085 --> 05:22:44,405
the question becomes, what will get displaced? Right? There's a

2599
05:22:44,405 --> 05:22:46,525
PI to be. Divided. We need to do these projects,

2600
05:22:46,525 --> 05:22:49,605
we know, for various reasons, but we'll do that. Activity

2601
05:22:49,605 --> 05:22:53,833
together through the year. Okay. And if I can have

2602
05:22:53,833 --> 05:22:58,552
a second question. I was really interested and happy to

2603
05:22:58,552 --> 05:23:02,712
hear you describe activity based decision making in terms of.

2604
05:23:04,631 --> 05:23:08,191
What happens. And again, thinking more specifically, in the rural

2605
05:23:08,191 --> 05:23:12,622
areas, My question is related to that, but it's a

2606
05:23:12,622 --> 05:23:19,077
little more general. And that. Is. I understand. As a

2607
05:23:19,077 --> 05:23:24,237
region, we have certain roadways, certain lands that are ours

2608
05:23:24,237 --> 05:23:32,437
to manage. But. How will you work with our municipalities

2609
05:23:32,437 --> 05:23:38,867
and with other corridors? Because. I'm not convinced that every

2610
05:23:38,867 --> 05:23:44,227
major corridor needs to have a cycling lane attached to

2611
05:23:44,227 --> 05:23:51,582
it. Especially. In Arthur street, of course, comes to mind

2612
05:23:51,582 --> 05:23:55,182
where there's a block, a half a block. Away. There's

2613
05:23:55,182 --> 05:23:58,182
a road that would actually work better, but it's not

2614
05:23:58,182 --> 05:24:01,582
a regional road. So how in the future will you.

2615
05:24:03,345 --> 05:24:05,625
Sort of look at that. And is there a place

2616
05:24:05,625 --> 05:24:10,880
for us? As a group of municipalities. To look at.

2617
05:24:13,277 --> 05:24:20,755
I know someone who cycles occasionally. From Kitchener. To st.

2618
05:24:20,755 --> 05:24:25,058
Jacobs and. They take the iron Horse trail. They take

2619
05:24:25,058 --> 05:24:29,143
the trails and they prefer those. Did you want to

2620
05:24:29,143 --> 05:24:31,983
take this? Yeah, if I could. Through your chair, councilor

2621
05:24:31,983 --> 05:24:34,823
Sean's. Here. This is the discussion we were hoping to

2622
05:24:34,823 --> 05:24:37,623
have today. A bit of detail about the plan. So

2623
05:24:37,623 --> 05:24:40,183
just because you had mentioned the activity based modeling, I'll

2624
05:24:40,183 --> 05:24:45,342
hearken back. To support that we've been given at this

2625
05:24:45,342 --> 05:24:49,222
council around the implementation of the Myovision. Program. So as

2626
05:24:49,222 --> 05:24:52,102
a reminder, that gives us the ability to manage signals

2627
05:24:52,102 --> 05:24:54,062
dynamically. So we don't have to go out there. We

2628
05:24:54,062 --> 05:24:56,502
can do that and help speed up traffic. The other

2629
05:24:56,502 --> 05:24:58,062
thing it does, though, is give us data on each

2630
05:24:58,062 --> 05:25:00,462
of the modes traveling through every intersection. In the region,

2631
05:25:00,462 --> 05:25:03,262
and so our ability to get to an activity based

2632
05:25:03,262 --> 05:25:06,126
model and. Predict the numbers of vehicles versus horse and

2633
05:25:06,126 --> 05:25:08,886
buggies versus pedestrians. Actually, from the investment we've made together

2634
05:25:08,886 --> 05:25:12,006
in Myovision, so I'm very excited to get into that

2635
05:25:12,006 --> 05:25:15,086
and to see. Can we become a service provider as

2636
05:25:15,086 --> 05:25:17,206
well? To our municipal partners when they say, hey, we'd

2637
05:25:17,206 --> 05:25:19,046
like to know the impact of making a change or

2638
05:25:19,046 --> 05:25:21,246
doing something that we can actually model out that impact

2639
05:25:21,246 --> 05:25:23,406
and predict what it will look like next year in

2640
05:25:23,406 --> 05:25:26,110
five years. And ten. Years as we grow. So that

2641
05:25:26,110 --> 05:25:28,870
predictive capability is a big piece of this plan. You've

2642
05:25:28,870 --> 05:25:32,530
posed two additional questions. That we will answer through the

2643
05:25:32,530 --> 05:25:35,130
development of this plan. And the first one is, do

2644
05:25:35,130 --> 05:25:38,394
we want all modes on all roads. And I would

2645
05:25:38,394 --> 05:25:39,994
say you can see from some of this we do

2646
05:25:39,994 --> 05:25:43,834
try to pursue opportunities for multiple people. But that question

2647
05:25:43,834 --> 05:25:47,690
gets really interesting when you consider land use. So if

2648
05:25:47,690 --> 05:25:49,450
I give you a really easy example we've all been

2649
05:25:49,450 --> 05:25:51,490
talking about is the hospital and the emergence of the

2650
05:25:51,490 --> 05:25:54,210
hospital in our planning. So up until a few years

2651
05:25:54,210 --> 05:25:56,210
ago, before we started talking about the hospital and a

2652
05:25:56,210 --> 05:25:58,090
location in North Waterloo, I would have told you I

2653
05:25:58,090 --> 05:26:02,631
knew the function of Westmount and Fisher Holman. And King

2654
05:26:02,631 --> 05:26:05,271
and Weber as north south travel opportunities. And I would

2655
05:26:05,271 --> 05:26:06,831
tell you today we have a whole lot of work

2656
05:26:06,831 --> 05:26:09,351
to figure out how our ambulance is going to get

2657
05:26:09,351 --> 05:26:11,591
to the hospital. How? Are people and families going to

2658
05:26:11,591 --> 05:26:13,111
get to the hospital? So this is one of the

2659
05:26:13,111 --> 05:26:15,911
examples of change. But that question remains. Do we need

2660
05:26:15,911 --> 05:26:18,591
all modes on all roads? The second part to that

2661
05:26:18,591 --> 05:26:22,775
is your question about cycling specifically so as I. 've

2662
05:26:22,775 --> 05:26:24,495
shared with you. I am in pursuit of a completed

2663
05:26:24,495 --> 05:26:27,615
regional cycling network, whether or not that exists on regional

2664
05:26:27,615 --> 05:26:30,455
roads. And so I would simply like to say and

2665
05:26:30,455 --> 05:26:32,615
produce a map that is very easy for our cycling

2666
05:26:32,615 --> 05:26:36,055
community of about 15,000 people. Here's how you get places.

2667
05:26:37,434 --> 05:26:39,194
And then we've been having discussions about, what does that

2668
05:26:39,194 --> 05:26:42,314
look like in a winter context? We struggle to keep

2669
05:26:42,314 --> 05:26:44,754
cycling lanes clear. So could we develop a winter cycling

2670
05:26:44,754 --> 05:26:46,874
network where we look at a slightly modified network and

2671
05:26:46,874 --> 05:26:48,714
make sure we provide a really high level of service

2672
05:26:48,714 --> 05:26:51,274
so those questions will come out. We're hopeful that the

2673
05:26:51,274 --> 05:26:54,881
community brings forward more like that. And to your last

2674
05:26:54,881 --> 05:26:57,001
piece about the role of the ams. Look, as I

2675
05:26:57,001 --> 05:27:01,856
talk about all of the networks. It's one network. When

2676
05:27:01,856 --> 05:27:03,696
I take the bus to work. I don't care if

2677
05:27:03,696 --> 05:27:06,016
I'm on a regional road or a local, it doesn't

2678
05:27:06,016 --> 05:27:09,880
matter. And so part of the role will be the

2679
05:27:09,880 --> 05:27:11,720
integration of this plan, the reason we do it. Now

2680
05:27:11,720 --> 05:27:15,200
is that we actually do our integrated mobility plans together

2681
05:27:15,200 --> 05:27:17,280
so that they match and they meet. Each other and

2682
05:27:17,280 --> 05:27:20,024
they achieve the same things. So you've hit some of

2683
05:27:20,024 --> 05:27:22,584
the key questions, the role of every municipalities and the

2684
05:27:22,584 --> 05:27:23,984
role of the modes in our network. We need to

2685
05:27:23,984 --> 05:27:26,064
talk about that, and it's a pretty public conversation we're

2686
05:27:26,064 --> 05:27:28,704
about to have. So excited for it. Thank you. Thank

2687
05:27:28,704 --> 05:27:33,130
you, council, for Banavik. Thank you very much. And thanks

2688
05:27:33,130 --> 05:27:35,690
to staff for all of the work on this. I

2689
05:27:35,690 --> 05:27:38,650
think the one thing, and it gets into a lot

2690
05:27:38,650 --> 05:27:41,010
of the questions, particularly as it relates to the rural

2691
05:27:41,010 --> 05:27:46,647
areas, but it also impacts the urban areas. Is a

2692
05:27:46,647 --> 05:27:49,727
change in terms of how we've handled projects of this

2693
05:27:49,727 --> 05:27:54,824
scope, so. There was. A time going back up until

2694
05:27:54,824 --> 05:27:58,744
a few years ago, when we created project teams that

2695
05:27:58,744 --> 05:28:03,353
included regional and city staff, as well as. Elected representation

2696
05:28:03,353 --> 05:28:07,633
both from regional council and the area council, and that

2697
05:28:07,633 --> 05:28:09,993
often brought a lot of sort of the issues and

2698
05:28:09,993 --> 05:28:13,233
concerns up early on so that they didn't bubble up.

2699
05:28:15,021 --> 05:28:20,141
Regional and municipal councilors sometimes brought different perspectives from the

2700
05:28:20,141 --> 05:28:23,816
kinds of things that they were hearing. From their constituents

2701
05:28:23,816 --> 05:28:28,883
and so on, and I found that. Those committees were

2702
05:28:28,883 --> 05:28:33,886
very helpful. And it's something that we stopped doing. I'm

2703
05:28:33,886 --> 05:28:36,886
not sure if it was because. Of Covid or another

2704
05:28:36,886 --> 05:28:41,203
reason, but it is something that. I think would be

2705
05:28:41,203 --> 05:28:45,417
very helpful to bring back. I'm seeing some nods in

2706
05:28:45,417 --> 05:28:49,945
that regard. And so I'm wondering if that's something that

2707
05:28:49,945 --> 05:28:51,985
can be looked at as part of this process as

2708
05:28:51,985 --> 05:28:55,660
we go forward. Through your chair. So on a project

2709
05:28:55,660 --> 05:29:00,333
basis. I know today we have project teams. On stage

2710
05:29:00,333 --> 05:29:04,013
two ion that include regional staff and area municipal staff.

2711
05:29:04,013 --> 05:29:07,333
I don't believe I have any that include elected officials.

2712
05:29:07,333 --> 05:29:10,053
In fact, I do. On the Elmira bypass. Happy to

2713
05:29:10,053 --> 05:29:12,373
take a look, councilor Ravanovich. I don't know that that

2714
05:29:12,373 --> 05:29:14,413
change predates me. So happy to take a look. Yeah,

2715
05:29:14,413 --> 05:29:16,013
that would be great. And happy to have a discussion

2716
05:29:16,013 --> 05:29:19,541
with. You about it offline as well. Thank you. Okay.

2717
05:29:19,541 --> 05:29:22,981
Councilor Foxton. Thank you. Something that you just talked about,

2718
05:29:22,981 --> 05:29:28,286
Doug. Was. Figuring out the cycling and how it's happening.

2719
05:29:28,286 --> 05:29:30,126
A few years ago, we did a master plan on

2720
05:29:30,126 --> 05:29:33,206
cycling. And then we involved the region, and then we

2721
05:29:33,206 --> 05:29:35,566
involved the province, and so we've got that all on

2722
05:29:35,566 --> 05:29:37,246
a disk, so if you get a hold of Andrew,

2723
05:29:37,246 --> 05:29:39,526
I'm. Sure he'll supply it for you because it's quite

2724
05:29:39,526 --> 05:29:42,361
handy. Through chair if I just quickly respond so, yes,

2725
05:29:42,361 --> 05:29:46,761
we will consume any preexisting integrative. Mobility plans, network designs.

2726
05:29:46,761 --> 05:29:48,921
We've got them from each of our seven partners. We

2727
05:29:48,921 --> 05:29:51,001
got to look at ours from 2018. We got to

2728
05:29:51,001 --> 05:29:53,161
spin them all up into this big master. Plan, but,

2729
05:29:53,161 --> 05:29:59,392
yeah, absolutely. Okay. No further questions. Commissioner Spooner, I just

2730
05:29:59,392 --> 05:30:01,592
have something to comment on. You mentioned this very early

2731
05:30:01,592 --> 05:30:05,767
on, and it was around the universal design. And honing

2732
05:30:05,767 --> 05:30:07,927
in on that a bit because we often focus on

2733
05:30:07,927 --> 05:30:11,899
Aoda, and I feel like that is just. A base.

2734
05:30:11,899 --> 05:30:15,259
It's actually kind of flawed legislation. Can you just speak?

2735
05:30:16,536 --> 05:30:19,056
To universal design and how that looks in terms of

2736
05:30:19,056 --> 05:30:23,355
street design, just for an awareness piece, but also. Looking

2737
05:30:23,355 --> 05:30:29,999
at things holistically. For everybody. Yeah, through your chair, James.

2738
05:30:29,999 --> 05:30:33,999
So, council, the concept of universal design is that regardless

2739
05:30:33,999 --> 05:30:36,559
of that design, we can all use it, and I

2740
05:30:36,559 --> 05:30:39,479
use that we royally as to every single member of

2741
05:30:39,479 --> 05:30:42,119
our community. And so if you think about the requirements

2742
05:30:42,119 --> 05:30:45,840
of that, Councilor Hunich, I don't think you'll mind me

2743
05:30:45,840 --> 05:30:47,760
sharing the story. Councilor Hunich and I were planning to

2744
05:30:47,760 --> 05:30:50,440
have a coffee together, and part of our decision making

2745
05:30:50,440 --> 05:30:53,560
around where we would get a coffee includes delicious coffee,

2746
05:30:53,560 --> 05:30:56,760
delicious doughnuts and is there a step in front of

2747
05:30:56,760 --> 05:30:59,440
the store that we can get in, and there was.

2748
05:30:59,440 --> 05:31:01,680
And so we had to pick an equally delicious donut

2749
05:31:01,680 --> 05:31:05,675
shop, but that's the idea. Is that we don't have

2750
05:31:05,675 --> 05:31:07,235
to pre plan these things. We don't have to. Think

2751
05:31:07,235 --> 05:31:09,909
through them. The design is the design, and it works

2752
05:31:09,909 --> 05:31:12,349
for every member of our community, so we'll pursue that.

2753
05:31:12,349 --> 05:31:15,269
As I mentioned, the standards that we have today don't

2754
05:31:15,269 --> 05:31:18,269
always achieve that, so. That's part of that community conversation.

2755
05:31:18,269 --> 05:31:21,149
This plan will obviously be consulted with Grac and our

2756
05:31:21,149 --> 05:31:26,656
partners. From the accessibility community. But again, We're pretty excited

2757
05:31:26,656 --> 05:31:28,416
to go back out. We had a busy year last

2758
05:31:28,416 --> 05:31:31,016
year with the GRT plan engagement, and we'll plan to

2759
05:31:31,016 --> 05:31:34,176
do a similar level of effort. Talking about the entirety

2760
05:31:34,176 --> 05:31:37,936
of travel in the region. Excellent. Thank you, Doug. Universal

2761
05:31:37,936 --> 05:31:40,496
design is used in planning, but also in education and

2762
05:31:40,496 --> 05:31:44,618
other sector, so it's very broad. Okay. Thank you. That

2763
05:31:44,618 --> 05:31:49,673
report was for information. We are now moving to item

2764
05:31:49,673 --> 05:31:58,046
9.2.2, the Mannheim service area water capacity constraint. And colleagues,

2765
05:31:58,046 --> 05:32:01,846
before we begin, I want to acknowledge that the water

2766
05:32:01,846 --> 05:32:07,613
issue capacity. It is deeply important and concerning to the

2767
05:32:07,613 --> 05:32:12,305
public, to us, to our partners. Area municipalities to staff.

2768
05:32:14,035 --> 05:32:18,398
And essentially everyone in this community. Who is impacted by

2769
05:32:18,398 --> 05:32:20,918
water, and I think we all use it all ages.

2770
05:32:22,972 --> 05:32:26,412
Today's report is intended to provide counsel in the community

2771
05:32:26,412 --> 05:32:30,092
with clear information about the issue. As well as the

2772
05:32:30,092 --> 05:32:34,989
actions staff have identified. As necessary to address it. There

2773
05:32:34,989 --> 05:32:39,309
are many factors contributing to the current constraint and to

2774
05:32:39,309 --> 05:32:43,469
why it is being identified. Now. These include the complexity

2775
05:32:43,469 --> 05:32:47,640
of our water, our local water supply system. Improved data

2776
05:32:47,640 --> 05:32:52,543
tackling and tracking and analysis. A more mature asset management

2777
05:32:52,543 --> 05:32:57,934
program and increasing water demand. As owners of the water

2778
05:32:57,934 --> 05:33:02,599
supply system, we should keep this context in mind. To

2779
05:33:02,599 --> 05:33:06,439
allow staff to address the issue holistically while prioritizing their

2780
05:33:06,439 --> 05:33:11,868
work effectively. So I ask that our discussion remain respectful

2781
05:33:11,868 --> 05:33:16,508
and focused. We should refrain from assigning blame or public

2782
05:33:16,508 --> 05:33:23,794
criticizing any individuals. If matters arise that involved. Identifiable individuals.

2783
05:33:23,794 --> 05:33:27,034
Those discussions can and should take place in closed session.

2784
05:33:29,188 --> 05:33:32,988
In accordance with our procedures, in order to go into

2785
05:33:32,988 --> 05:33:35,948
closed again, we will require another motion with the reason

2786
05:33:35,948 --> 05:33:39,908
to go into closed, clearly identified and set out in

2787
05:33:39,908 --> 05:33:43,308
the municipal act. I will look to both legal and

2788
05:33:43,308 --> 05:33:48,910
clerks. If this should occur. With that in mind, I

2789
05:33:48,910 --> 05:33:52,110
ask that your questions and comments stay grounded in the

2790
05:33:52,110 --> 05:33:55,190
content of the report of the content of the report

2791
05:33:55,190 --> 05:33:59,194
before us. And if I feel that discussions are moving

2792
05:33:59,194 --> 05:34:01,714
away from the focus, I will step in and redirect

2793
05:34:01,714 --> 05:34:06,155
the conversation accordingly. So with that, I look forward to

2794
05:34:06,155 --> 05:34:09,555
the discussion, the dialogue, the respectful dialogue amongst us as

2795
05:34:09,555 --> 05:34:13,403
colleagues. And I would like to call upon. Matthew Getsky,

2796
05:34:13,403 --> 05:34:17,531
acting CIO, to provide an introduction. In Nicole Zapata to

2797
05:34:17,531 --> 05:34:23,520
then introduce the presentation. Thank you. Thank you, chair. So.

2798
05:34:26,186 --> 05:34:28,426
This report is a foreign formation report, as you mentioned.

2799
05:34:30,167 --> 05:34:34,796
It follows the capacity constraint that was identified by. Staff.

2800
05:34:35,601 --> 05:34:39,154
In November of 2025. And this is the first report

2801
05:34:39,154 --> 05:34:42,394
that we're bringing into the public realm on this issue.

2802
05:34:44,760 --> 05:34:48,520
The report and the presentation will explain why a change

2803
05:34:48,520 --> 05:34:53,160
in the methodology for assessing available capacity was required. And

2804
05:34:53,160 --> 05:34:57,872
what were these changes? In order to adequately reflect how

2805
05:34:57,872 --> 05:35:02,449
our water supply system actually works. The package that you've

2806
05:35:02,449 --> 05:35:06,952
had today also includes. The full third party review that

2807
05:35:06,952 --> 05:35:10,032
staff has commissioned to verify our findings at the end

2808
05:35:10,032 --> 05:35:13,353
of last year. And so we'll be open to having

2809
05:35:13,353 --> 05:35:16,393
some questions on that. So I'll pass. It over to

2810
05:35:16,393 --> 05:35:19,313
the team to run you through this presentation, starting with

2811
05:35:19,313 --> 05:35:21,633
Nicole, who's the senior engineer who has been leading this

2812
05:35:21,633 --> 05:35:27,319
work within the water team. Thank you for the introduction.

2813
05:35:27,319 --> 05:35:29,559
Good afternoon, council. And thank you for having me here

2814
05:35:29,559 --> 05:35:33,682
to discuss this. Topic. The region of Waterleo's municipal drinking

2815
05:35:33,682 --> 05:35:36,682
water system is unique and often referred to as one

2816
05:35:36,682 --> 05:35:40,988
of the most complex in Canada. 80% of our drinking

2817
05:35:40,988 --> 05:35:43,948
water supply comes from groundwater that is pumped from over

2818
05:35:43,948 --> 05:35:48,847
100 municipal production. Wells. The remaining 20% comes from the

2819
05:35:48,847 --> 05:35:53,779
Grand river. Next slide. The purpose of this presentation is

2820
05:35:53,779 --> 05:35:57,139
to provide information regarding a water capacity constraint that has

2821
05:35:57,139 --> 05:36:03,107
been confirmed. For the Mannheim service area. While originally identified

2822
05:36:03,107 --> 05:36:07,147
by staff, a third party review has verified staff's findings,

2823
05:36:07,147 --> 05:36:11,938
and the revised methodology that identified this constraint. There are

2824
05:36:11,938 --> 05:36:15,298
many factors contributing to why there is a constraint and

2825
05:36:15,298 --> 05:36:19,760
why it is being identified now. These factors are related

2826
05:36:19,760 --> 05:36:23,749
to the complexity of our local water supply system. Improved

2827
05:36:23,749 --> 05:36:27,047
data tracking and analysis. A more mature asset management program.

2828
05:36:28,710 --> 05:36:31,812
And a shift to increasing water demands. Next slide, please.

2829
05:36:33,986 --> 05:36:36,906
The largest municipal water supply system within the region of

2830
05:36:36,906 --> 05:36:40,626
Waterloo is referred to as the integrated urban system, which

2831
05:36:40,626 --> 05:36:46,405
is shown in the green and blue shaded areas. While

2832
05:36:46,405 --> 05:36:48,925
this system is integrated in the sense that there are

2833
05:36:48,925 --> 05:36:52,665
connections throughout. There are limitations to how water can be

2834
05:36:52,665 --> 05:36:56,900
transferred. Breaking the system up into the Mannheim service area

2835
05:36:56,900 --> 05:37:00,460
and the Middleton service area is a more accurate representation

2836
05:37:00,460 --> 05:37:05,476
of what can operationally be achieved for transferring water. On

2837
05:37:05,476 --> 05:37:08,156
this map, the Manheim service area is shown in Blue

2838
05:37:08,156 --> 05:37:12,028
and the Middleton service area shown. In green. Next slide,

2839
05:37:12,028 --> 05:37:16,670
please. The annual water and wastewater monitoring report is one

2840
05:37:16,670 --> 05:37:19,150
of the important tools used to monitor the water and

2841
05:37:19,150 --> 05:37:26,004
wastewater system capacity. The report looks ahead ten years and

2842
05:37:26,004 --> 05:37:29,204
provides a summary of recent water usage and the development

2843
05:37:29,204 --> 05:37:32,664
expected to come online in the near term. This data

2844
05:37:32,664 --> 05:37:35,504
is compared to the system capacity to determine how much

2845
05:37:35,504 --> 05:37:40,445
capacity is remaining. The remaining system capacity is used to

2846
05:37:40,445 --> 05:37:43,605
inform the reviewed development applications throughout the year until the

2847
05:37:43,605 --> 05:37:48,772
next annual update. It provides an indicator of water and

2848
05:37:48,772 --> 05:37:52,332
wastewater servicing needs based on the amount of remaining capacity

2849
05:37:52,332 --> 05:37:56,612
reported if we have a large amount remaining, additional capacity

2850
05:37:56,612 --> 05:37:59,252
may not be required. If there is a low amount

2851
05:37:59,252 --> 05:38:02,052
remaining. It is a gate check for staff to ensure

2852
05:38:02,052 --> 05:38:06,945
this is captured in the longer term. Planning processes. Similarly,

2853
05:38:06,945 --> 05:38:09,825
the remaining capacity can also be used as an indicator

2854
05:38:09,825 --> 05:38:15,596
for operational resiliency. Operational resiliency is a buffer amount that

2855
05:38:15,596 --> 05:38:18,596
is required to ensure we have capacity in the system

2856
05:38:18,596 --> 05:38:22,116
if infrastructure needs to go offline for repair or we

2857
05:38:22,116 --> 05:38:26,118
need to respond to an emergency. Situation. Next slide, please.

2858
05:38:29,198 --> 05:38:31,918
The previous methodology used in the annual water and wastewater

2859
05:38:31,918 --> 05:38:37,110
monitoring report has been in place for many years. It

2860
05:38:37,110 --> 05:38:40,470
follows guidelines developed by the Ministry of the Environment, Conservation

2861
05:38:40,470 --> 05:38:44,110
and Parks and is consistent with practices used by municipalities

2862
05:38:44,110 --> 05:38:49,246
throughout Ontario. While this represented industry best practices, the region

2863
05:38:49,246 --> 05:38:53,699
of waterloo system is complex and unique. It was determined

2864
05:38:53,699 --> 05:38:56,659
that this methodology was not the best way to represent

2865
05:38:56,659 --> 05:38:59,779
what can operationally be achieved to support development within the

2866
05:38:59,779 --> 05:39:03,697
integrated urban system. There are three key changes that have

2867
05:39:03,697 --> 05:39:08,654
been made. First, the previous methodology looked at the integrated

2868
05:39:08,654 --> 05:39:12,222
urban system as a whole. As I discussed earlier, a

2869
05:39:12,222 --> 05:39:15,182
better representation is to look at the Mannheim and Middleton

2870
05:39:15,182 --> 05:39:20,719
service area separately. Second, the previous methodology looked at maximum

2871
05:39:20,719 --> 05:39:25,734
system capacity to determine the remaining system capacity. While this

2872
05:39:25,734 --> 05:39:28,694
may work well for lake based supply systems, it doesn't

2873
05:39:28,694 --> 05:39:33,204
work as well for groundwater systems. For example, some wells

2874
05:39:33,204 --> 05:39:36,444
can be peaked for short durations based on permits or

2875
05:39:36,444 --> 05:39:39,715
how much groundwater is available. That they cannot operate that

2876
05:39:39,715 --> 05:39:43,201
way on a continuous basis. A more accurate way to

2877
05:39:43,201 --> 05:39:45,641
represent what can be done on a continuous basis for

2878
05:39:45,641 --> 05:39:54,232
groundwater supply is the average sustainable system capacity. In addition,

2879
05:39:54,232 --> 05:39:56,592
the region of Waterloo is a leader in water efficiency

2880
05:39:56,592 --> 05:40:01,232
and conservation. This means that our peak water use is

2881
05:40:01,232 --> 05:40:05,317
lower than other communities. As a result, a constraint and

2882
05:40:05,317 --> 05:40:09,837
capacity will be evident for our average sustainable system. Capacity

2883
05:40:09,837 --> 05:40:13,767
before it shows in our maximum system capacity. For the

2884
05:40:13,767 --> 05:40:16,487
region system, it makes more sense to look at both

2885
05:40:16,487 --> 05:40:21,407
maximum and average sustainable system capacities. When assessing remaining available

2886
05:40:21,407 --> 05:40:26,774
capacity. The third change for the revised methodology is setting

2887
05:40:26,774 --> 05:40:31,814
a minimum operational resiliency target of 20% we know that

2888
05:40:31,814 --> 05:40:35,694
systems cannot be operated with everything at 100% all the

2889
05:40:35,694 --> 05:40:39,814
time we take. Things offline to do preventative maintenance, or

2890
05:40:39,814 --> 05:40:44,759
we may have unexpected things happen, like equipment failures. Operational

2891
05:40:44,759 --> 05:40:47,799
resiliency is needed to be able to do this work

2892
05:40:47,799 --> 05:40:51,279
to fulfill council's obligation under the safe drinking water act

2893
05:40:51,279 --> 05:40:53,399
to maintain the water system in a state of fit

2894
05:40:53,399 --> 05:41:00,417
repair. Next slide, please. There are several observations made by

2895
05:41:00,417 --> 05:41:06,772
staff that led to the revised methodology. The first is

2896
05:41:06,772 --> 05:41:10,172
an increasing frequency and duration of shutdowns for water facilities.

2897
05:41:11,340 --> 05:41:14,740
Whether it was a planned project or an unexpected failure,

2898
05:41:14,740 --> 05:41:17,540
things that were previously thought to be more isolated events

2899
05:41:17,540 --> 05:41:22,704
became much more common. The second was observations of operational

2900
05:41:22,704 --> 05:41:25,304
indicators that the water system may be operating under stress.

2901
05:41:27,635 --> 05:41:31,155
These included indicators for both built infrastructure and the natural

2902
05:41:31,155 --> 05:41:36,534
environment. For built infrastructure. Lower levels were being observed more

2903
05:41:36,534 --> 05:41:41,454
frequently for our large treated drinking water storage tanks. For

2904
05:41:41,454 --> 05:41:44,694
the natural environment. Key thresholds were being observed in the

2905
05:41:44,694 --> 05:41:49,838
groundwater aquifer levels. Based on these observations, staff took a

2906
05:41:49,838 --> 05:41:53,078
proactive step to do an in depth review and better

2907
05:41:53,078 --> 05:41:57,723
understand the reasons behind them. The increased frequency and duration

2908
05:41:57,723 --> 05:42:02,188
of shutdowns was straightforward. A maturing asset management program to

2909
05:42:02,188 --> 05:42:07,108
proactively maintain our infrastructure, combined with aging infrastructure was leading

2910
05:42:07,108 --> 05:42:09,788
to the increased shutdowns. And we have better tools and

2911
05:42:09,788 --> 05:42:14,239
data tracking to monitor this. The operational indicators are more

2912
05:42:14,239 --> 05:42:19,888
complex, and there are multiple factors to consider. As discussed,

2913
05:42:19,888 --> 05:42:23,128
the integrated urban system has interconnections, but the Mannheim and

2914
05:42:23,128 --> 05:42:26,208
Middleton service areas are a more accurate way to represent

2915
05:42:26,208 --> 05:42:30,394
what can operationally be achieved. Another factor is the amount

2916
05:42:30,394 --> 05:42:35,896
of water reliably available has changed. This was related to

2917
05:42:35,896 --> 05:42:39,656
how much water was available from supply sources, changes in

2918
05:42:39,656 --> 05:42:43,296
the quality of the water that required operational adjustments and

2919
05:42:43,296 --> 05:42:46,456
a better understanding of what water treatment equipment could reliably

2920
05:42:46,456 --> 05:42:50,321
do on a continuous basis. It is important to note

2921
05:42:50,321 --> 05:42:54,322
that many of these changes happen over time. Where extensive

2922
05:42:54,322 --> 05:42:57,522
study and multiyear trends are needed to confirm what supply

2923
05:42:57,522 --> 05:43:02,460
can be relied upon. Despite efforts to expand and build

2924
05:43:02,460 --> 05:43:06,340
new water supply capacity, the overall system capacity has been

2925
05:43:06,340 --> 05:43:09,860
declining in the Mannheim service area, with one example being

2926
05:43:09,860 --> 05:43:13,220
the Manheim water treatment plant, where our process constraint for

2927
05:43:13,220 --> 05:43:15,420
one of the steps in the treatment process was noted.

2928
05:43:17,100 --> 05:43:19,460
All of these pieces came together in a time we

2929
05:43:19,460 --> 05:43:24,682
have shifted to increasing water demands. After years where water

2930
05:43:24,682 --> 05:43:29,042
conservation and efficiency efforts outpaced the rate of population growth.

2931
05:43:29,042 --> 05:43:32,442
And we experienced declining overall demands. We are seeing a

2932
05:43:32,442 --> 05:43:37,801
transition. While water efficiency and conservation is still very important

2933
05:43:37,801 --> 05:43:40,321
to maintain the gains that have already been achieved. The

2934
05:43:40,321 --> 05:43:43,761
rate of growth is now outpacing the declining trends, and

2935
05:43:43,761 --> 05:43:48,865
overall water usage is increasing. The last piece that I

2936
05:43:48,865 --> 05:43:50,905
would like to highlight is this shift in type of

2937
05:43:50,905 --> 05:43:55,628
growth the region. Is experiencing. As we have more growth

2938
05:43:55,628 --> 05:43:59,468
occurring through intensification processes, there is an opportunity to update

2939
05:43:59,468 --> 05:44:03,711
the methodology to better reflect these changing patterns. While the

2940
05:44:03,711 --> 05:44:07,991
methodology for what development was included in the monitoring report

2941
05:44:07,991 --> 05:44:11,031
followed the guidelines, it is recognized that a lot has

2942
05:44:11,031 --> 05:44:14,471
changed since it was developed in the 90s as one

2943
05:44:14,471 --> 05:44:19,533
of the fastest growing communities in Canada combined with. Strategic

2944
05:44:19,533 --> 05:44:22,853
development through intensification. It makes sense that the region of

2945
05:44:22,853 --> 05:44:25,893
Waterloo reassess the way. Development is tracked through the annual

2946
05:44:25,893 --> 05:44:29,924
monitoring report. I will now pass the presentation over to

2947
05:44:29,924 --> 05:44:36,498
Commissioner reguer. Thank you, Nicole. So here we have a

2948
05:44:36,498 --> 05:44:43,513
slide which outlines. The nature of the relationship between development

2949
05:44:43,513 --> 05:44:48,706
and the demand for water. In order. To qualify this

2950
05:44:48,706 --> 05:44:52,266
constraint, we estimated the developments that will be coming online

2951
05:44:52,266 --> 05:44:56,228
in the Mannheim service area. And I'd just like to

2952
05:44:56,228 --> 05:45:01,912
walk you through the chart here very quickly. Row. A

2953
05:45:01,912 --> 05:45:06,715
illustrates the existing. Connections and the issued building permits. In

2954
05:45:06,715 --> 05:45:10,792
other words, We've included the figure of all current active

2955
05:45:10,792 --> 05:45:16,282
building permits. In this figure. And we have water system

2956
05:45:16,282 --> 05:45:24,435
supplying approximately 481,000 people. And delivering about 1356 liters per

2957
05:45:24,435 --> 05:45:32,474
second. To these. Existing users. The next row, row b

2958
05:45:32,474 --> 05:45:38,649
identifies the potential demand. That registered plans of subdivision which

2959
05:45:38,649 --> 05:45:41,369
are expected to be developed over the next one to

2960
05:45:41,369 --> 05:45:45,593
eight years. And here we're talking about a process where.

2961
05:45:47,031 --> 05:45:51,883
It may take time for. Some of these particular subdivisions

2962
05:45:51,883 --> 05:45:56,553
to actually move to full build out. They can accommodate

2963
05:45:56,553 --> 05:46:02,073
approximately 14,000 people, and we'll draw an additional 40 liters.

2964
05:46:02,073 --> 05:46:07,166
Per second. Column or row c refers to site plan

2965
05:46:07,166 --> 05:46:10,166
applications that is primarily inside of the urban area. These

2966
05:46:10,166 --> 05:46:17,417
are largely intensification locations. We have site plan applications underway,

2967
05:46:17,417 --> 05:46:19,537
expected to be built out over the next one to

2968
05:46:19,537 --> 05:46:25,257
six years. Which could accommodate up to 25,000 people and

2969
05:46:25,257 --> 05:46:30,974
draw an additional 71 liters per second. And. Column row

2970
05:46:30,974 --> 05:46:35,054
d talks about draft plans of subdivision, and these are

2971
05:46:35,054 --> 05:46:39,035
in the early stages. Earlier stages of design and development.

2972
05:46:41,034 --> 05:46:44,074
Probably taking in excess of ten years to achieve full

2973
05:46:44,074 --> 05:46:50,264
buildout. But they're able to accommodate up to 44,000, 45,000

2974
05:46:50,264 --> 05:46:55,767
people. And draw an additional 125 liters per second. So

2975
05:46:55,767 --> 05:47:05,105
in combination. Population plus the anticipated growth. In these identified

2976
05:47:05,105 --> 05:47:13,410
developments. Will draw. Approximately 1600 liters per second. The column

2977
05:47:13,410 --> 05:47:16,770
f identifies the fact that our current system has a

2978
05:47:16,770 --> 05:47:22,450
maximum capacity of 1455 liters per second, indicating that this

2979
05:47:22,450 --> 05:47:29,004
is less than. The amount. Of that can be provided

2980
05:47:29,004 --> 05:47:31,764
or that is going to be demanded by all these

2981
05:47:31,764 --> 05:47:38,790
developments moving forward. However, if you incorporate the 20% operational

2982
05:47:38,790 --> 05:47:45,845
resiliency factor, We have to reduce the total. Available. To

2983
05:47:45,845 --> 05:47:51,237
1164 liters per second. As you can see, the existing

2984
05:47:51,237 --> 05:48:00,937
connections already. Show a shortfall in. A shortfall in

2985
05:48:00,937 --> 05:48:05,817
our available capacity. When we factor in operational resilience, we

2986
05:48:05,817 --> 05:48:15,021
can see that further developments. Further developments. Within this twelve

2987
05:48:15,021 --> 05:48:20,226
year forecast will exacerbate this issue. And until new capacity

2988
05:48:20,226 --> 05:48:23,466
can be brought online, we are working with our municipal

2989
05:48:23,466 --> 05:48:28,695
counterparts to refine our timing. As it relates to commitments,

2990
05:48:28,695 --> 05:48:31,695
because we know that each and every one of these

2991
05:48:31,695 --> 05:48:36,511
developments is unique. In terms of. Its stage of development

2992
05:48:36,511 --> 05:48:44,826
and. The planning conditions. For the developer. While plan development

2993
05:48:44,826 --> 05:48:46,946
is going to take some time to draw on the

2994
05:48:46,946 --> 05:48:51,432
water supply, Significant infrastructure and investment are required to be

2995
05:48:51,432 --> 05:48:55,209
able to support. These future growth needs. Next slide, please.

2996
05:48:57,339 --> 05:49:05,401
This means that. Until available water capacity is confirmed. Development

2997
05:49:05,401 --> 05:49:10,441
applications within the Mannheim service area will receive advisory comments.

2998
05:49:10,441 --> 05:49:15,681
These comments outline that there is a water capacity constraint

2999
05:49:15,681 --> 05:49:19,803
within the Mannheim service area. And the region does not

3000
05:49:19,803 --> 05:49:25,747
support approval for development applications at this time. The region

3001
05:49:25,747 --> 05:49:29,067
is not able to enter into new servicing agreements that

3002
05:49:29,067 --> 05:49:35,866
result in additional servicing capacity that being required. We anticipate

3003
05:49:35,866 --> 05:49:39,746
that there will be further evolution on this approach to

3004
05:49:39,746 --> 05:49:45,660
commenting as more becomes known. Building. An occupancy permit issuance

3005
05:49:45,660 --> 05:49:50,260
seat falls within the jurisdiction of the area municipality. And

3006
05:49:50,260 --> 05:49:53,620
I'd like to point out here that at this time

3007
05:49:53,620 --> 05:49:58,100
the region has not asked area municipalities to withhold building

3008
05:49:58,100 --> 05:50:04,062
or occupancy permits or revoke existing permits. And I think

3009
05:50:04,062 --> 05:50:10,317
I'm going to pass it over to Amy here. We

3010
05:50:10,317 --> 05:50:12,037
just might have to go back. It's just the bottom

3011
05:50:12,037 --> 05:50:17,762
of the last slide. So the other piece that we

3012
05:50:17,762 --> 05:50:22,101
are having to entertain is that. It's just not close

3013
05:50:22,101 --> 05:50:25,781
enough. Sorry. Yes. So regional staff will need to evaluate

3014
05:50:25,781 --> 05:50:32,754
any ministry. The environment, conservation and park form ones. When

3015
05:50:32,754 --> 05:50:36,714
those are received for the addition, modification, replacement or extension

3016
05:50:36,714 --> 05:50:40,674
of a regional owned water main. We will be evaluating

3017
05:50:40,674 --> 05:50:43,554
those on a case by case basis, moving forward to

3018
05:50:43,554 --> 05:50:47,474
determine if they will result. In additional servicing capacity being

3019
05:50:47,474 --> 05:50:50,714
required and whether they can be signed right now. Next

3020
05:50:50,714 --> 05:50:54,925
slide. So what everyone is wanting to know is what

3021
05:50:54,925 --> 05:50:58,205
work is underway. I can assure you that staff have

3022
05:50:58,205 --> 05:51:02,005
been diligently working on solutions to address this water constraint

3023
05:51:02,005 --> 05:51:07,163
since it was identified. Some of the short term opportunities

3024
05:51:07,163 --> 05:51:13,083
include repairs to existing infrastructure to regain lost operational resiliency

3025
05:51:13,083 --> 05:51:15,843
so the parkway water treatment plant and the green broke

3026
05:51:15,843 --> 05:51:19,483
water treatment plant work on these projects have been underway

3027
05:51:19,483 --> 05:51:22,123
for some time with a goal of having both systems

3028
05:51:22,123 --> 05:51:26,439
back online in 2026. We are looking at. Optimization of

3029
05:51:26,439 --> 05:51:31,159
existing sources like wells. We're leveraging the work that's going

3030
05:51:31,159 --> 05:51:34,799
on. On the water supply strategy update to identify opportunities

3031
05:51:34,799 --> 05:51:40,093
to potentially expedite water supply projects. We have immediately created.

3032
05:51:41,529 --> 05:51:44,529
An internal technical subtask force that began looking at innovative

3033
05:51:44,529 --> 05:51:50,529
solutions opportunities like well optimization, pilot projects and technologies to

3034
05:51:50,529 --> 05:51:55,804
increase water supply capacity. Staff. Have been fine tuning and

3035
05:51:55,804 --> 05:51:59,964
evaluating the mid to longer term solutions, including designing and

3036
05:51:59,964 --> 05:52:03,204
building new water infrastructure projects to add net new supply

3037
05:52:03,204 --> 05:52:07,604
capacity. We also are in detailed design for a solution

3038
05:52:07,604 --> 05:52:11,004
to resolve a technical constraint at our Mannheim water treatment

3039
05:52:11,004 --> 05:52:14,004
plant to regain that lost treatment capacity that you heard

3040
05:52:14,004 --> 05:52:16,942
about this morning. We are also working with the province

3041
05:52:16,942 --> 05:52:20,142
to fast track any required approvals and have had several

3042
05:52:20,142 --> 05:52:24,883
meetings with them to date. Next slide. So, next steps.

3043
05:52:27,395 --> 05:52:31,355
Staff continue to work on potential opportunities. A technical working

3044
05:52:31,355 --> 05:52:36,035
group including industry experts, regional and area municipal staff is

3045
05:52:36,035 --> 05:52:39,755
being put together and will kick off this week. And

3046
05:52:39,755 --> 05:52:44,043
we also are having. Two workshops put into the calendars.

3047
05:52:44,975 --> 05:52:49,096
Already. Planning focused working group with regional and area municipal

3048
05:52:49,096 --> 05:52:52,696
planning staff is also being established and the first meeting

3049
05:52:52,696 --> 05:52:55,296
will be this week as well. We are bringing on

3050
05:52:55,296 --> 05:52:59,814
external technical resources to assist. And we're continuing to work

3051
05:52:59,814 --> 05:53:04,734
with our provincial and municipal partners for any streamlining infrastructure.

3052
05:53:04,734 --> 05:53:09,336
Opportunities. Our ongoing updates will be provided as available, and

3053
05:53:09,336 --> 05:53:11,696
we will continue to keep residents up to date. On

3054
05:53:11,696 --> 05:53:16,847
our website. I will pass it back to Cao Gibsky.

3055
05:53:16,847 --> 05:53:20,007
Thank you. Thank you, Amy and Rod and. Nicole for

3056
05:53:20,007 --> 05:53:24,238
the presentation. So this concludes the presentation. We appreciate this

3057
05:53:24,238 --> 05:53:27,958
as both very important and very complex topic, and we're

3058
05:53:27,958 --> 05:53:31,758
happy to take questions. Some of those questions may require

3059
05:53:31,758 --> 05:53:34,958
answers from multiple teams. I'll be there to help. As

3060
05:53:34,958 --> 05:53:37,518
needed to ensure that we can direct the question to

3061
05:53:37,518 --> 05:53:40,278
the appropriate staff member, and with that, I'll hand things

3062
05:53:40,278 --> 05:53:43,866
back to you. Chair, James. Thank you. And again. Thank

3063
05:53:43,866 --> 05:53:47,986
you to staff, who've been working tirelessly on this since.

3064
05:53:49,174 --> 05:53:53,855
Everything has come to light. Okay? So I know that

3065
05:53:53,855 --> 05:53:57,295
there are about six motions that are at some point

3066
05:53:57,295 --> 05:54:02,474
going to come forward. We are conscious of time. Is

3067
05:54:02,474 --> 05:54:04,834
not the barrier. But there is a time. We're under

3068
05:54:04,834 --> 05:54:07,834
some time constraints. So how? We are going to move

3069
05:54:07,834 --> 05:54:12,990
forward with this is. Questions specifically to the report. So

3070
05:54:12,990 --> 05:54:19,477
clear, concise questions directly to staff regarding the report. One

3071
05:54:19,477 --> 05:54:24,243
question, one follow up. And then after those questions are

3072
05:54:24,243 --> 05:54:27,923
done, those motions that have been submitted will be introduced

3073
05:54:27,923 --> 05:54:32,286
in order. That they came in. Okay, so for this

3074
05:54:32,286 --> 05:54:37,754
portion, Questions of staff for clarification. And then we'll go

3075
05:54:37,754 --> 05:54:39,834
into the motions. As I know, there are about six

3076
05:54:39,834 --> 05:54:42,114
that we need to go through. Okay. And I will

3077
05:54:42,114 --> 05:54:45,634
start with councilor McCabe. Is your question regarding. The motion.

3078
05:54:47,563 --> 05:54:51,643
It's question perfect. I'm going to follow the rules. Chair.

3079
05:54:51,643 --> 05:54:54,797
Thanks very much. And thanks for all the information. I've

3080
05:54:54,797 --> 05:54:58,477
got a number of questions, but I'll start with the

3081
05:54:58,477 --> 05:55:01,877
chart that you just referenced. It has. Housing developments were

3082
05:55:01,877 --> 05:55:09,515
highlighted. But. Where in this process. Are. Water needs for

3083
05:55:09,515 --> 05:55:14,835
businesses existing, expanding. And other uses. Where is that being

3084
05:55:14,835 --> 05:55:21,504
captured? And then. I also just note that. This has

3085
05:55:21,504 --> 05:55:25,344
come as an information report to regional council or regional

3086
05:55:25,344 --> 05:55:30,679
committee. But I'm curious about what rural regional council has

3087
05:55:30,679 --> 05:55:33,839
in setting the methodology, given that this is going to

3088
05:55:33,839 --> 05:55:37,799
have very far reaching implications for us, for our area

3089
05:55:37,799 --> 05:55:42,119
municipalities, for the development industry. For economic development, public health

3090
05:55:42,119 --> 05:55:46,677
and safety, et cetera. And then just one quick comment.

3091
05:55:46,677 --> 05:55:49,117
The comment that you made, I think it was Rod

3092
05:55:49,117 --> 05:55:57,733
made about. Not telling air municipalities about. That. One of

3093
05:55:57,733 --> 05:55:59,573
them was about not saying that we have to take

3094
05:55:59,573 --> 05:56:02,453
back our building permits. I mean. We can't. So that's

3095
05:56:02,453 --> 05:56:05,173
a bit of a non sequitur because we. Actually, by

3096
05:56:05,173 --> 05:56:08,333
legislation, can't revoke a building permit unless there's some. Okay,

3097
05:56:08,333 --> 05:56:10,373
so. It comes from a cave. We're good to get

3098
05:56:10,373 --> 05:56:14,841
to your question, but that's. Important. For people to understand

3099
05:56:14,841 --> 05:56:17,801
once the building permit's been approved, unless there's safety issues.

3100
05:56:17,801 --> 05:56:20,441
We can't revoke it. But you've asked a question, so

3101
05:56:20,441 --> 05:56:22,921
I want the commissioner to answer the question. And if

3102
05:56:22,921 --> 05:56:25,121
you have a follow up comment, then, and then we

3103
05:56:25,121 --> 05:56:28,689
can move on to the next person. Yeah, through you

3104
05:56:28,689 --> 05:56:37,397
chair James. I will ask my colleagues in water services

3105
05:56:37,397 --> 05:56:42,402
to speak about the heavy industrial users. We do accommodate

3106
05:56:42,402 --> 05:56:45,722
heavy industrial or the industrial and large scale corporate users.

3107
05:56:47,736 --> 05:56:54,716
In this model. My understanding is that. They account for

3108
05:56:54,716 --> 05:56:58,076
a relatively small percentage or portion of the total demand,

3109
05:56:58,076 --> 05:57:03,272
and that there's a relationship directly between population. And overall

3110
05:57:03,272 --> 05:57:08,472
use. With the corporate sector as well. I'm sorry, I

3111
05:57:08,472 --> 05:57:13,667
lost track of your second question. Well, there's a corporate

3112
05:57:13,667 --> 05:57:17,907
sector, but there's also, like, other users, hospitals, universities, other

3113
05:57:17,907 --> 05:57:20,227
large users as well. But then the other one was

3114
05:57:20,227 --> 05:57:25,312
around council's role in setting this. Methodology. I think that

3115
05:57:25,312 --> 05:57:31,463
might be more for Cao Getsky. Just through you chair

3116
05:57:31,463 --> 05:57:36,235
just on the efficiency piece. There's a whole water efficiency

3117
05:57:36,235 --> 05:57:39,475
team that works with all the large water users, whether

3118
05:57:39,475 --> 05:57:44,046
they're industrial or corporate. And we're happy to expand on

3119
05:57:44,046 --> 05:57:46,686
this if you're interested. Well, I just think. If you're

3120
05:57:46,686 --> 05:57:49,046
giving us all the numbers and information about where our

3121
05:57:49,046 --> 05:57:51,686
water capacity is and where our water uses that we

3122
05:57:51,686 --> 05:57:54,726
should have that full picture, even though, like you said,

3123
05:57:54,726 --> 05:57:57,999
rod, that. Some of the numbers that you just had

3124
05:57:57,999 --> 05:58:02,310
there were much smaller than others, but still. I think

3125
05:58:02,310 --> 05:58:05,610
we need to see the entire picture. But I mean

3126
05:58:05,610 --> 05:58:13,831
up to council. Commissioner. Acting Ciosky. Do you want to

3127
05:58:13,831 --> 05:58:16,883
just respond to that? And then councilor salon. And you're

3128
05:58:16,883 --> 05:58:20,163
up next. I'll respond to the second. Question regarding the

3129
05:58:20,163 --> 05:58:24,218
methodology. So I know we've looked at. What's the responsibility

3130
05:58:24,218 --> 05:58:27,178
of council as the owner of the system versus what's

3131
05:58:27,178 --> 05:58:30,978
the responsibility of staff in setting the technical parameters, whether

3132
05:58:30,978 --> 05:58:35,018
they're through operations and the methodology and today. I would

3133
05:58:35,018 --> 05:58:38,978
say the methodology piece is a highly technical document. It's.

3134
05:58:41,362 --> 05:58:44,998
Informed. We don't bring it up to council very often.

3135
05:58:46,755 --> 05:58:49,675
We usually see the water supply strategy to make any

3136
05:58:49,675 --> 05:58:55,554
revisions to that methodology. So at that time, Council may

3137
05:58:55,554 --> 05:58:57,754
be asked to work on the supply side of things.

3138
05:58:58,995 --> 05:59:01,315
And we would inform of any changes to the methodology.

3139
05:59:01,315 --> 05:59:05,369
But up to now, we've been considering this. Is a

3140
05:59:05,369 --> 05:59:10,237
technical document. Informed by technical work. And they're because of

3141
05:59:10,237 --> 05:59:13,634
the significant changes. We had it reviewed by that third

3142
05:59:13,634 --> 05:59:18,367
party. Okay. Thank you, Councilor McKay. If you want to

3143
05:59:18,367 --> 05:59:20,607
queue back in after, you can just want. To keep

3144
05:59:20,607 --> 05:59:24,447
this dialogue going. Councilor salon, thank you. Through chair. I'm

3145
05:59:24,447 --> 05:59:27,767
just picking back. Up on the methodology components. So will

3146
05:59:27,767 --> 05:59:32,557
council ever see. What exactly? The new methodology is like

3147
05:59:32,557 --> 05:59:35,917
I'm talking about the maths and the assumptions behind the

3148
05:59:35,917 --> 05:59:39,837
maths. And what exactly has changed between the MECP one

3149
05:59:39,837 --> 05:59:42,237
that we were using and now? This newly identified one.

3150
05:59:43,729 --> 05:59:49,467
So. Chair, just to be clear, so. Both the methodologies

3151
05:59:49,467 --> 05:59:51,267
that we were using and the one that we want

3152
05:59:51,267 --> 05:59:56,875
to use, they're both compliant with MACP guidelines, so. There's

3153
05:59:56,875 --> 06:00:00,115
broad MECP guidelines that kind of provide a framework within

3154
06:00:00,115 --> 06:00:02,915
which we have the ability to determine which are the

3155
06:00:02,915 --> 06:00:07,315
parameters that best reflect operations. In terms of the details,

3156
06:00:07,315 --> 06:00:10,275
the three changes, and then I'll pass it to Amy,

3157
06:00:10,275 --> 06:00:12,795
who will have a more detailed response, but. The three

3158
06:00:12,795 --> 06:00:16,953
changes were those that Nicole underlined today, which are. To

3159
06:00:16,953 --> 06:00:21,353
consider the service areas as separate to include a 20%

3160
06:00:21,353 --> 06:00:24,553
operational resiliency buffer and you'll see. And we can go

3161
06:00:24,553 --> 06:00:26,513
into more detail if you have questions on where it

3162
06:00:26,513 --> 06:00:28,993
is this 20% come from? And there's a lot of

3163
06:00:28,993 --> 06:00:32,113
information in the peer review. Report on this. And the

3164
06:00:32,113 --> 06:00:36,753
third change is use of. The average sustainable capacity as

3165
06:00:36,753 --> 06:00:40,562
opposed to the maximum capacity. These are the three parameter

3166
06:00:40,562 --> 06:00:43,589
changes that we're introducing. But maybe through you, Cheryl, I

3167
06:00:43,589 --> 06:00:47,636
can pass it to Amy, to any additional considerations. Through

3168
06:00:47,636 --> 06:00:53,241
you, chair. I was just going to clarify that. When

3169
06:00:53,241 --> 06:00:56,161
we decided that we were making this recommendation to move

3170
06:00:56,161 --> 06:00:59,321
to a revised methodology, we immediately went and met with

3171
06:00:59,321 --> 06:01:02,041
the Ministry of the Environment at the end of November

3172
06:01:02,041 --> 06:01:06,521
to seek their clarification and or approval and or endorsement

3173
06:01:06,521 --> 06:01:09,881
to change the methodology from the d five guideline, which

3174
06:01:09,881 --> 06:01:14,821
is what we were following. As industry standard. The comment

3175
06:01:14,821 --> 06:01:17,261
that came back from the ministry was that we have

3176
06:01:17,261 --> 06:01:23,340
the authority to change it as the system owner. Regional

3177
06:01:23,340 --> 06:01:26,660
staff have the authority to make changes to the methodology

3178
06:01:26,660 --> 06:01:29,180
without their approval, and that it just needed to be

3179
06:01:29,180 --> 06:01:32,940
technically sound and protective of the drinking water system, so

3180
06:01:32,940 --> 06:01:35,989
I just wanted to clarify. That. Thank you for that

3181
06:01:35,989 --> 06:01:40,546
clarification. Sorry. I may have not articulated what I was

3182
06:01:40,546 --> 06:01:43,803
asking. Effectively. I understand. And I know that we are

3183
06:01:43,803 --> 06:01:49,549
still sticking with ministry. Approved capabilities in our methodology. I'm

3184
06:01:49,549 --> 06:01:51,029
more so talking about when are we going to see

3185
06:01:51,029 --> 06:01:54,189
the mass behind the assumptions of that 20%, like I

3186
06:01:54,189 --> 06:01:57,871
want to be able to understand. What is underpinning the

3187
06:01:57,871 --> 06:02:00,871
decisions now that we are making in the methodology. So

3188
06:02:00,871 --> 06:02:03,271
that's. What I was wondering. Not questioning that it's right

3189
06:02:03,271 --> 06:02:08,712
or wrong, just curious about that. Additional context component. Through

3190
06:02:08,712 --> 06:02:12,312
the chair. There is information that is available through the

3191
06:02:12,312 --> 06:02:16,592
peer review report that gives specific details. On the recommendations

3192
06:02:16,592 --> 06:02:19,952
from the technical experts. The operational resiliency I know has

3193
06:02:19,952 --> 06:02:22,112
been the topic. Of a lot of discussion today in

3194
06:02:22,112 --> 06:02:27,207
terms of. Is it justified or where did this come

3195
06:02:27,207 --> 06:02:30,803
from? There are a couple of considerations that are really

3196
06:02:30,803 --> 06:02:34,243
important when we're talking about operational resiliency. So one is

3197
06:02:34,243 --> 06:02:37,923
that there wasn't in depth review of our specific supply

3198
06:02:37,923 --> 06:02:42,043
facilities. And looking at each of those supply facilities and

3199
06:02:42,043 --> 06:02:45,163
what are they contributing in terms of the overall percentage

3200
06:02:45,163 --> 06:02:48,734
for the water supply. There are breakouts of graph. Graphs

3201
06:02:48,734 --> 06:02:51,894
and information of that in the peer review report that

3202
06:02:51,894 --> 06:02:54,774
can be referenced and you can see that when we

3203
06:02:54,774 --> 06:02:57,414
look at our treatment facilities, and it wasn't just a

3204
06:02:57,414 --> 06:03:00,534
broad, sweeping look. Like we looked at our largest facilities.

3205
06:03:00,534 --> 06:03:03,974
Doesn't make sense for them to be offline. Not completely,

3206
06:03:03,974 --> 06:03:07,094
but there's two treatment trains, so we consider one treatment

3207
06:03:07,094 --> 06:03:10,226
train being offline. So. A lot of that information specific

3208
06:03:10,226 --> 06:03:15,751
to the facilities, is there? Another consideration is. What have

3209
06:03:15,751 --> 06:03:19,191
we been demonstrating that there is a need for? Based

3210
06:03:19,191 --> 06:03:23,151
on our asset management programs and based on the unexpected.

3211
06:03:23,151 --> 06:03:26,111
We know that we do have equipment failures, things that

3212
06:03:26,111 --> 06:03:28,631
are unplanned. That are happening. So we looked back at

3213
06:03:28,631 --> 06:03:31,191
this data trending, and there are graphs in the peer

3214
06:03:31,191 --> 06:03:34,271
review report that speak to that on a monthly basis,

3215
06:03:34,271 --> 06:03:36,612
and they say this is what. The demonstrated need has

3216
06:03:36,612 --> 06:03:39,772
been so there has been some information sharing that is

3217
06:03:39,772 --> 06:03:43,332
available in that report. And hopefully that supports the review

3218
06:03:43,332 --> 06:03:47,372
to give everyone that level of confidence that this. Is

3219
06:03:47,372 --> 06:03:49,212
an important aspect of our operations that we need to

3220
06:03:49,212 --> 06:03:54,170
protect to maintain reliable water supply to the community. Okay,

3221
06:03:54,170 --> 06:03:56,210
so you guys are carrying forward the assumptions from that

3222
06:03:56,210 --> 06:04:00,170
peer reviewed activity, then. Okay, that was. The part I

3223
06:04:00,170 --> 06:04:03,130
need to know so that information is sufficient. Thank you.

3224
06:04:03,130 --> 06:04:06,570
My second follow up was has this methodology been applied

3225
06:04:06,570 --> 06:04:10,490
to all of our service areas? I mainly referencing how

3226
06:04:10,490 --> 06:04:14,013
new Hamburg and Baiden are not serviced by. The two

3227
06:04:14,013 --> 06:04:17,373
identified ones in the presentation today. Is that new methodology,

3228
06:04:17,373 --> 06:04:21,533
however, being applied across all of our well systems in

3229
06:04:21,533 --> 06:04:26,250
the region. Through the chair. The constraint that was identified

3230
06:04:26,250 --> 06:04:29,530
for the Mannheim service area was based on ongoing monitoring.

3231
06:04:29,530 --> 06:04:32,210
And work through the water supply strategy update. So to

3232
06:04:32,210 --> 06:04:35,010
date, the focus for the methodology has been the focus

3233
06:04:35,010 --> 06:04:40,007
of the integrated urban system specifically because that's where. The

3234
06:04:40,007 --> 06:04:42,876
challenges were noted. There hasn't been time yet to deal

3235
06:04:42,876 --> 06:04:46,156
with the whole methodology review for the other service. Areas.

3236
06:04:46,156 --> 06:04:48,316
Again, I think you can see through the information that

3237
06:04:48,316 --> 06:04:50,356
shared in the peer review report there. Were a lot

3238
06:04:50,356 --> 06:04:54,156
of considerations that were specific to the integrated urban system.

3239
06:04:54,156 --> 06:04:56,276
So we'll need to look at those other systems and

3240
06:04:56,276 --> 06:04:59,836
see if there's modifications that are warranted, okay? Thank you.

3241
06:04:59,836 --> 06:05:02,880
Thank you, Councilor Hunich. Thank. You chair. James, thank you

3242
06:05:02,880 --> 06:05:07,062
for presenting this very difficult report. This morning we heard

3243
06:05:07,062 --> 06:05:13,216
from several delegations representing developers who offered. To work collaboratively

3244
06:05:13,216 --> 06:05:16,696
and wanted to be involved or engaged in a meaningful

3245
06:05:16,696 --> 06:05:19,856
way in the task. Force or the working group or

3246
06:05:19,856 --> 06:05:25,651
the workshop. Or. Whatever it should be called. And so

3247
06:05:25,651 --> 06:05:28,611
I'm wondering if staff have ideas in terms of how

3248
06:05:28,611 --> 06:05:33,171
we can involve the developing developer community in a meaningful

3249
06:05:33,171 --> 06:05:36,857
way. Through the chair. So, as I mentioned, we already

3250
06:05:36,857 --> 06:05:39,857
have set up. Well, we had an internal working group,

3251
06:05:39,857 --> 06:05:43,537
technical working group. And now we're expanding that to include

3252
06:05:43,537 --> 06:05:46,977
industry experts and area municipal technical staff. And I think

3253
06:05:46,977 --> 06:05:49,977
hearing that this morning, there's definitely an opportunity to bring

3254
06:05:49,977 --> 06:05:55,946
in some of those individuals. Into our existing technical working

3255
06:05:55,946 --> 06:05:58,826
group, depending on the topics that we're talking about, and

3256
06:05:58,826 --> 06:06:03,512
start to information share and to troubleshoot. With a larger

3257
06:06:03,512 --> 06:06:07,152
audience, so I think there's opportunities to expand that. Great.

3258
06:06:07,152 --> 06:06:12,312
Thank you. Thank you, councilor. Councilor Foxton thank you. And

3259
06:06:12,312 --> 06:06:15,952
to you chair. So excuse my ignorance if we could

3260
06:06:15,952 --> 06:06:20,204
go to the graft on page eight, please. And basically

3261
06:06:20,204 --> 06:06:26,324
line a. And while they're doing that, I'll ask the

3262
06:06:26,324 --> 06:06:32,982
first part of the question. So it says on line

3263
06:06:32,982 --> 06:06:36,622
a existing connections and issued building permits as of 2024.

3264
06:06:36,622 --> 06:06:42,037
And we've been told that we can. Handle. What we've

3265
06:06:42,037 --> 06:06:44,637
got today. So does that mean the permits that were

3266
06:06:44,637 --> 06:06:49,363
handled in 2024. Which will bring us up to the

3267
06:06:49,363 --> 06:06:54,335
1356 liters per second. Like a lot of the 2024

3268
06:06:54,335 --> 06:06:57,927
permits. Will not have been built yet. So are we

3269
06:06:57,927 --> 06:07:02,270
saying they can go ahead because they fall under? That

3270
06:07:02,270 --> 06:07:05,110
number and that rate, because that's already in the existing

3271
06:07:05,110 --> 06:07:10,356
and we've told what's existing. Is fine. Through you church,

3272
06:07:10,356 --> 06:07:19,102
James? That's correct, Councilor Foxton. We are considering. Issued but

3273
06:07:19,102 --> 06:07:22,502
as yet unbuilt building permits to be the same as

3274
06:07:22,502 --> 06:07:27,879
existing connections. So to be clear, Bill dos that filed

3275
06:07:27,879 --> 06:07:31,119
and did all this in 2024 can go ahead. With

3276
06:07:31,119 --> 06:07:35,739
their building, is that correct? That's correct. Okay, because I

3277
06:07:35,739 --> 06:07:38,699
don't think that was made clear. Or wasn't. Sure if

3278
06:07:38,699 --> 06:07:40,299
it was made clear, but I think we need to

3279
06:07:40,299 --> 06:07:43,139
make that clear. Then if we haven't, and I apologize

3280
06:07:43,139 --> 06:07:45,579
if you have, but if you haven't, and I. Think

3281
06:07:45,579 --> 06:07:49,258
we need to make that very clear. Thank you. Thank

3282
06:07:49,258 --> 06:07:56,765
you, Councilor Rodriguez. We're going to earth. Sorry. Just a

3283
06:07:56,765 --> 06:08:01,379
bit of a qualifier on. We're fine. Because in that

3284
06:08:01,379 --> 06:08:04,699
table, there's two lines, and what we're saying is today.

3285
06:08:05,952 --> 06:08:10,041
With. The maximum supply that we can produce without that

3286
06:08:10,041 --> 06:08:14,784
operational resiliency buffer is sufficient. But we are using. A

3287
06:08:14,784 --> 06:08:17,584
significant part of that operational resiliency buffer today. I know

3288
06:08:17,584 --> 06:08:22,464
the team earlier today said that today, January 13, we

3289
06:08:22,464 --> 06:08:27,384
are using 16% of that operational resiliency buffer because of

3290
06:08:27,384 --> 06:08:29,424
the number of wells that are offline or things that

3291
06:08:29,424 --> 06:08:32,544
are parts of our capacity that we're not able to

3292
06:08:32,544 --> 06:08:36,626
mobilize today, so that means out. Of that 20% buffer

3293
06:08:36,626 --> 06:08:40,466
that was estimated. We only have 4% buffer left. If

3294
06:08:40,466 --> 06:08:43,546
a piece of infrastructure that makes more than 4% of

3295
06:08:43,546 --> 06:08:46,986
our water supply goes down. We're not able to supply

3296
06:08:46,986 --> 06:08:52,040
the water. To these existing and issued building permits, so

3297
06:08:52,040 --> 06:08:55,080
it's a bit qualified. So it's not exactly fine, because.

3298
06:08:56,607 --> 06:08:59,727
We do not have that operational resiliency buffer, so it's

3299
06:08:59,727 --> 06:09:03,447
a case by case. Basis for the permits for 2024,

3300
06:09:03,447 --> 06:09:08,686
correct? Maybe so. Just going through you chair. I'm going

3301
06:09:08,686 --> 06:09:12,755
back to. The. That was just here. That your statement

3302
06:09:12,755 --> 06:09:16,343
on? We're fine for that. So I'll park that a

3303
06:09:16,343 --> 06:09:19,343
little bit. With respect to authorizations, we have a specific.

3304
06:09:19,343 --> 06:09:21,983
Role, and I think Rod clarified it, which is to

3305
06:09:21,983 --> 06:09:27,400
comment on development applications. And form one connections and service

3306
06:09:27,400 --> 06:09:31,321
agreements. So if these are in place today. We're not

3307
06:09:31,321 --> 06:09:35,001
being consulted on those. So we'll continue to build. So

3308
06:09:35,001 --> 06:09:37,961
maybe we shouldn't have put the 2024 permits in that

3309
06:09:37,961 --> 06:09:41,441
line, because we're not sure. They can be dealt with

3310
06:09:41,441 --> 06:09:43,521
because it's confusing. If I read the chart and I

3311
06:09:43,521 --> 06:09:47,115
was a builder, I would say, hey, I'm good. As

3312
06:09:47,115 --> 06:09:51,435
I have a 2024 permit. But you're saying possibly. Possibly

3313
06:09:51,435 --> 06:09:54,955
not, which means it. Changes this. I need to know

3314
06:09:54,955 --> 06:09:58,574
good information. Through you chair. So let me try again.

3315
06:09:58,574 --> 06:10:00,974
And Rod, maybe you can help me out if it's

3316
06:10:00,974 --> 06:10:07,893
not crystal clear. Developments that have a building permit or

3317
06:10:07,893 --> 06:10:11,573
water servicing agreement and do not need another connection to

3318
06:10:11,573 --> 06:10:17,601
a regional water main. Will continue to get built. And.

3319
06:10:19,335 --> 06:10:20,855
We do not have an opportunity to comment on those.

3320
06:10:20,855 --> 06:10:25,142
So they will continue to get built. Okay. Thank you,

3321
06:10:25,142 --> 06:10:30,478
Councilor Rodriguez. Thank you. Chair. And through you. So I'm

3322
06:10:30,478 --> 06:10:32,518
just going to pick up on that line of questioning

3323
06:10:32,518 --> 06:10:36,758
veto in terms of. Smaller scale developments. If you're on

3324
06:10:36,758 --> 06:10:39,598
a local street and you tear down your detached house.

3325
06:10:39,598 --> 06:10:44,760
And you put up a triplex. There's no planning application.

3326
06:10:44,760 --> 06:10:47,400
It just goes straight to building permit. Is that something

3327
06:10:47,400 --> 06:10:51,832
we're. Going to be catching. And stopping. It's just not

3328
06:10:51,832 --> 06:10:54,992
abundantly clear where the line is between requiring a permit

3329
06:10:54,992 --> 06:10:58,792
and scaling up of a use on a property versus

3330
06:10:58,792 --> 06:11:03,344
what's there today. Yeah. Thank you for the question. Through

3331
06:11:03,344 --> 06:11:11,871
you chair, James. There are some nuances here, for sure.

3332
06:11:13,599 --> 06:11:18,985
As you know, at this point. We are only a

3333
06:11:18,985 --> 06:11:26,797
commenting agency on development applications. So. Where development is already

3334
06:11:26,797 --> 06:11:31,969
serviced. There are no form ones to be signed. There

3335
06:11:31,969 --> 06:11:38,338
are no development applications to be. Provided with advisory comments.

3336
06:11:40,295 --> 06:11:44,674
We are not providing comments. And we are not advising

3337
06:11:44,674 --> 06:11:49,885
the area municipalities. Okay, so I think this is where

3338
06:11:49,885 --> 06:11:52,125
I get really, and I think what my motion that

3339
06:11:52,125 --> 06:11:54,445
we'll see later tries to deal with is just these

3340
06:11:54,445 --> 06:11:56,645
different pathways for different things, and I think it just

3341
06:11:56,645 --> 06:12:01,946
needs to be really. Like I understand it a bit

3342
06:12:01,946 --> 06:12:03,786
more than other people, and then you understand it a

3343
06:12:03,786 --> 06:12:06,986
lot more. Than other people, but I think it really

3344
06:12:06,986 --> 06:12:09,706
needs to be crystal clear. So I appreciate that. Clarification.

3345
06:12:11,065 --> 06:12:13,345
Back to questions, a quick one. Just have we spoken

3346
06:12:13,345 --> 06:12:18,429
to the school boards about this issue with respect. To

3347
06:12:18,429 --> 06:12:24,006
their plans for building new schools capacity. Collection of educational.

3348
06:12:25,784 --> 06:12:27,584
DCs or anything like that. Just curious if we've engaged

3349
06:12:27,584 --> 06:12:36,114
with those partners. We have not had a formal meeting

3350
06:12:36,114 --> 06:12:42,196
with the school boards at this point. It's certainly something

3351
06:12:42,196 --> 06:12:48,129
that we're planning to engage. On and. We are also

3352
06:12:48,129 --> 06:12:52,049
reaching out to the universities and colleges on their plans

3353
06:12:52,049 --> 06:12:57,312
as well. But. We've been meeting primarily with the development

3354
06:12:57,312 --> 06:13:01,090
industry over the last week. And have primarily focused on

3355
06:13:01,090 --> 06:13:04,370
the development industry over the next week as well. Thank

3356
06:13:04,370 --> 06:13:07,970
you, Trey. Queue, Becky. And if you have another question,

3357
06:13:07,970 --> 06:13:16,112
Councilor Sean. Thank you. I appreciate. This is really complex,

3358
06:13:16,112 --> 06:13:20,472
and there's a lot of pieces and moving pieces. I

3359
06:13:20,472 --> 06:13:25,665
wonder if I can try to simplify it. I'm not

3360
06:13:25,665 --> 06:13:29,764
sure I'll win, but let's give it a try. You

3361
06:13:29,764 --> 06:13:33,484
said there's 100 wells and a river, and that's where

3362
06:13:33,484 --> 06:13:40,449
we get our. Water from. So I see. There's three

3363
06:13:40,449 --> 06:13:44,129
main pieces to this. One is the source, the aquifers.

3364
06:13:44,129 --> 06:13:48,380
And the river. The second is that capacity of our

3365
06:13:48,380 --> 06:13:53,500
treatment facilities, and the third is our storage capacity in

3366
06:13:53,500 --> 06:13:58,060
our water towers and other places that we might store

3367
06:13:58,060 --> 06:14:02,505
things so. If we were to break it down. Can

3368
06:14:02,505 --> 06:14:08,912
you identify? That one of these. Is sort of the

3369
06:14:08,912 --> 06:14:17,408
area. That's causing the constraint or. Can you simplify? How

3370
06:14:17,408 --> 06:14:19,328
they're put together because there's a lot of people out

3371
06:14:19,328 --> 06:14:22,568
there that look. At methodology, and it just sort of

3372
06:14:22,568 --> 06:14:27,723
goes, wish. Through the chair. I may tag team with

3373
06:14:27,723 --> 06:14:31,683
Nicole on this one, but one particular solution is not

3374
06:14:31,683 --> 06:14:34,523
going to solve this capacity issue. I can say that

3375
06:14:34,523 --> 06:14:38,930
clearly. One of the things we really want to do

3376
06:14:38,930 --> 06:14:41,690
is get the Manheim water treatment plant a backup to

3377
06:14:41,690 --> 06:14:45,690
full capacity. We have lost a significant capacity at that

3378
06:14:45,690 --> 06:14:48,370
site, and so we are in detailed design right now.

3379
06:14:49,500 --> 06:14:53,990
For a solution to try and repair that situation. So

3380
06:14:53,990 --> 06:14:57,030
we're hoping that we will alleviate some of the stress

3381
06:14:57,030 --> 06:14:59,430
on the system when we get Mannheim water treatment back

3382
06:14:59,430 --> 06:15:03,193
up and running. With that said. We still need additional

3383
06:15:03,193 --> 06:15:07,831
infrastructure to be able. To deal with some of the

3384
06:15:07,831 --> 06:15:10,551
capacity constraints that we have. One thing I did want

3385
06:15:10,551 --> 06:15:12,791
to point out is in that chart that we were

3386
06:15:12,791 --> 06:15:18,398
showing. Those numbers assume that all of our systems are

3387
06:15:18,398 --> 06:15:22,198
online and working, right? So we all realized, like, Nicole

3388
06:15:22,198 --> 06:15:25,179
said we have to take things offline. We have some

3389
06:15:25,179 --> 06:15:29,267
wells offline due to. Water quality concerns. We've got some

3390
06:15:29,267 --> 06:15:33,347
wells offline due to infrastructure repairs, some down for planned

3391
06:15:33,347 --> 06:15:37,912
repairs. So we rarely, if ever, have all of our

3392
06:15:37,912 --> 06:15:41,832
well supplies online at any given time. As CEO. Getsky

3393
06:15:41,832 --> 06:15:45,432
mentioned. Right now we have 16% of our Manheim service

3394
06:15:45,432 --> 06:15:50,280
area water supply offline. For various reasons. If I can.

3395
06:15:50,280 --> 06:15:53,360
Just one more follow up and then we're moving on.

3396
06:15:53,360 --> 06:15:57,320
Thanks. So the 16% was coming to mind as you

3397
06:15:57,320 --> 06:16:04,527
were speaking. Because that chart. I understood that chart to

3398
06:16:04,527 --> 06:16:10,834
be based on actual numbers. Of units that are out

3399
06:16:10,834 --> 06:16:16,253
there and the actual water. You're taking. But if 16%

3400
06:16:16,253 --> 06:16:23,318
is offline now. How are we even managing? So through

3401
06:16:23,318 --> 06:16:26,558
the chair. And that's where we keep harping on the

3402
06:16:26,558 --> 06:16:30,958
operational resiliency. So because we're using that, that is the

3403
06:16:30,958 --> 06:16:33,758
buffer we like to call it, and. So as a

3404
06:16:33,758 --> 06:16:36,878
result, we are pushing our systems harder than we would

3405
06:16:36,878 --> 06:16:39,078
like to, and that's. Where we're starting to see some

3406
06:16:39,078 --> 06:16:44,326
of these observations about lower storage. In our storage tanks

3407
06:16:44,326 --> 06:16:47,686
and also the well fields seeing a decline in this,

3408
06:16:47,686 --> 06:16:51,401
so we are managing. And our goal is to get

3409
06:16:51,401 --> 06:16:54,601
some of that operational resiliency back as soon as possible.

3410
06:16:54,601 --> 06:16:56,801
To give us a little bit of breathing room while

3411
06:16:56,801 --> 06:17:02,369
we construct new infrastructure for net new capacity. So I

3412
06:17:02,369 --> 06:17:06,836
don't know if that answered your question. Queue back in.

3413
06:17:06,836 --> 06:17:12,430
Councilor Schaud. Councilor for Benevick. Well, thank you very much.

3414
06:17:12,430 --> 06:17:14,870
And thank you to staff for all the work that's

3415
06:17:14,870 --> 06:17:21,786
been done since this was first. Reported to council. I

3416
06:17:21,786 --> 06:17:27,187
guess it was late November, early December. I think it's

3417
06:17:27,187 --> 06:17:33,570
really important. As we sort of reflect on all this

3418
06:17:33,570 --> 06:17:36,936
is to reflect. And answer these questions that we reflect

3419
06:17:36,936 --> 06:17:40,096
on what we heard this morning and the importance of

3420
06:17:40,096 --> 06:17:46,769
clarity. And consistency in terms of. Our answers. Where I'm

3421
06:17:46,769 --> 06:17:49,849
really kind of struggling a little bit here is sort

3422
06:17:49,849 --> 06:17:53,273
of the journey from where we've been. To where we

3423
06:17:53,273 --> 06:17:57,229
are today. And we heard this morning, and I've heard

3424
06:17:57,229 --> 06:17:59,909
this from numerous people and know it myself. I mean,

3425
06:17:59,909 --> 06:18:02,629
going as far back as 2015, we talked about an

3426
06:18:02,629 --> 06:18:08,092
integrated urban system. We never talked about two systems. And

3427
06:18:08,092 --> 06:18:11,336
Mr. Nabi talked about that. We went through the whole

3428
06:18:11,336 --> 06:18:14,376
Ropa six process. There were no flags raised or anything.

3429
06:18:16,007 --> 06:18:17,167
We have for the last few years been talking about

3430
06:18:17,167 --> 06:18:24,438
being 1 million ready. And. We continue to say that.

3431
06:18:26,232 --> 06:18:32,841
We talked about. At the standing committee. At the provincial

3432
06:18:32,841 --> 06:18:41,517
standing committee. That. Occurred back in. January 18, 2024. In

3433
06:18:41,517 --> 06:18:45,647
fact, we said. There's no development right now that is

3434
06:18:45,647 --> 06:18:47,927
being held up by a lack of water or wastewater

3435
06:18:47,927 --> 06:18:50,327
services in the region. As a matter of fact, if

3436
06:18:50,327 --> 06:18:53,487
asked, we could build another 120,000 homes in the region

3437
06:18:53,487 --> 06:18:58,280
today. Yes, we have that capacity. And in Kitchener, we've

3438
06:18:58,280 --> 06:19:01,880
gone, been going through our kitchener op pros, official plan

3439
06:19:01,880 --> 06:19:04,640
process. And pre early December, there was sort of no

3440
06:19:04,640 --> 06:19:09,206
mention of any of these concerns. Councilor Verbanovic. I'm just

3441
06:19:09,206 --> 06:19:10,806
going to try and get you to streamline. This a

3442
06:19:10,806 --> 06:19:17,224
little bit. Reconcile all that. With. What's being shared with

3443
06:19:17,224 --> 06:19:20,944
us and how this impacts on housing affordability, impact on

3444
06:19:20,944 --> 06:19:25,002
jobs. Being open for business and so on. Help me.

3445
06:19:25,002 --> 06:19:28,442
Like I'm. I'm struggling. I'm struggling in terms of what

3446
06:19:28,442 --> 06:19:31,282
do we tell people in terms of how we've made

3447
06:19:31,282 --> 06:19:35,841
this jump in this leap. So before stuff answers. So,

3448
06:19:35,841 --> 06:19:39,561
councilor Verbanovic. It's around the communication, I think. What? You're

3449
06:19:39,561 --> 06:19:44,364
well. I have a separate question around communication. Okay. This

3450
06:19:44,364 --> 06:19:46,924
is a big leap from where we were to essentially.

3451
06:19:49,429 --> 06:19:52,189
We're commenting on things, saying we can't support new development.

3452
06:19:52,189 --> 06:19:55,269
It's a big leap from where we've been the last

3453
06:19:55,269 --> 06:19:58,189
decade to where we are today. So, essentially, how did

3454
06:19:58,189 --> 06:20:00,829
we get here? Yes, how do we get here? Okay,

3455
06:20:00,829 --> 06:20:07,613
so, Amy. And Matt, you want to start? Maybe I'll

3456
06:20:07,613 --> 06:20:12,080
start, because I think. That was the purpose. Of what?

3457
06:20:12,080 --> 06:20:15,840
Slide number seven in the presentation that talks about why

3458
06:20:15,840 --> 06:20:20,799
did we revise the methodology? So. There's no aha moment

3459
06:20:20,799 --> 06:20:23,839
or single event that is making the difference. It's an

3460
06:20:23,839 --> 06:20:31,263
accumulation of a number of things. And every percentage. Point

3461
06:20:31,263 --> 06:20:34,383
of our capacity counts. And so it's a multiplication of

3462
06:20:34,383 --> 06:20:38,783
multiple factors there, that interface. With each other and that,

3463
06:20:38,783 --> 06:20:44,286
when taken cumulatively, And put in perspective, as staff did,

3464
06:20:44,286 --> 06:20:46,206
as we were preparing the work on the water supply

3465
06:20:46,206 --> 06:20:55,242
strategy. Has come to. This realization that. Were beyond. That

3466
06:20:55,242 --> 06:20:58,922
were using the system beyond its sustainable capacity to do

3467
06:20:58,922 --> 06:21:02,682
so. So, with respect to the one example, maybe the

3468
06:21:02,682 --> 06:21:07,935
Middleton service areas and Mennheim service areas. They're physically connected,

3469
06:21:07,935 --> 06:21:12,290
we can use them for emergency purposes. In the right

3470
06:21:12,290 --> 06:21:15,690
direction from a pressure standpoint. So from Manheim to Middleton.

3471
06:21:15,690 --> 06:21:17,410
But we can't. Use it in the other way. So

3472
06:21:17,410 --> 06:21:22,118
that's one example where these are actually connected. So there's

3473
06:21:22,118 --> 06:21:25,118
some level of integration that can be used for emergency

3474
06:21:25,118 --> 06:21:29,599
purposes, but it's. Not fully integrated. When you're looking for

3475
06:21:29,599 --> 06:21:35,649
every little percentage point. That's a piece that. Becomes critical,

3476
06:21:35,649 --> 06:21:39,834
and that needs to be looked at. I don't know,

3477
06:21:39,834 --> 06:21:43,796
Nicole, if you want to add. For the chair. Maybe

3478
06:21:43,796 --> 06:21:46,076
just one point that I'll add to that is that.

3479
06:21:47,555 --> 06:21:51,435
There are fluctuations within the system. So if we have

3480
06:21:51,435 --> 06:21:54,395
a change, that is something that might be. A one

3481
06:21:54,395 --> 06:21:57,355
off or occurring less frequently, that we don't want to

3482
06:21:57,355 --> 06:22:00,995
show that as a reduction in capacity. So the changes

3483
06:22:00,995 --> 06:22:06,012
that are being reflected are something. That required multi year

3484
06:22:06,012 --> 06:22:09,332
trend analysis that was often needed to truly understand what

3485
06:22:09,332 --> 06:22:12,092
was happening and why and it was how all these

3486
06:22:12,092 --> 06:22:16,063
pieces came together. And as was alluded to, there's multiple

3487
06:22:16,063 --> 06:22:18,983
different factors. And when it's a small change here and

3488
06:22:18,983 --> 06:22:22,443
there. Sometimes it can be hard to see. Just how

3489
06:22:22,443 --> 06:22:24,763
much that's adding up to lead to this overall constraint.

3490
06:22:26,339 --> 06:22:30,683
Okay. Well, thank you for that. I think there's a

3491
06:22:30,683 --> 06:22:32,683
lot more to dig in there. And I'll leave that.

3492
06:22:32,683 --> 06:22:35,083
For another day. But for my second question, I do

3493
06:22:35,083 --> 06:22:38,123
want to get deeper into the communication piece. Because I

3494
06:22:38,123 --> 06:22:42,529
did think we did hear a lot about. That earlier

3495
06:22:42,529 --> 06:22:47,765
today. And I really want to understand two things. I

3496
06:22:47,765 --> 06:22:52,708
look at what other cities have done. Different situation, different

3497
06:22:52,708 --> 06:22:57,844
crisis. Broken water pipe in terms of Calgary twice now,

3498
06:22:57,844 --> 06:23:00,524
but the way they've handled it has been through a

3499
06:23:00,524 --> 06:23:05,633
large press conference. Everybody's together. All the media is hearing

3500
06:23:05,633 --> 06:23:09,163
the same thing. They're feeding off each other in terms

3501
06:23:09,163 --> 06:23:12,743
of the questions that get asked. It really creates for

3502
06:23:12,743 --> 06:23:18,085
more transparency. In the whole issue. My understanding is that's

3503
06:23:18,085 --> 06:23:20,915
not the approach that we took. We took the approach

3504
06:23:20,915 --> 06:23:24,875
of one off meetings with individual media outlets. That really

3505
06:23:24,875 --> 06:23:30,599
does not allow for that same. Treatment. And that has

3506
06:23:30,599 --> 06:23:33,239
been a source of concern. It's a source of concern

3507
06:23:33,239 --> 06:23:36,590
for me. I believe it's a source of concern for

3508
06:23:36,590 --> 06:23:39,830
transparency and our local media. So I want to understand

3509
06:23:39,830 --> 06:23:41,790
how we got there. And then on the second part

3510
06:23:41,790 --> 06:23:45,448
of that is understand on the issue. There was a

3511
06:23:45,448 --> 06:23:51,328
comment made, particularly as it relates to area municipalities, and

3512
06:23:51,328 --> 06:23:57,617
somehow linking all this. To bill 23. And that the

3513
06:23:57,617 --> 06:24:01,805
region no longer has a line of sight. On infill

3514
06:24:01,805 --> 06:24:06,725
developments and detail. And yet I know that, for example,

3515
06:24:06,725 --> 06:24:11,645
in Kitchener, we forward all projects and details to the

3516
06:24:11,645 --> 06:24:14,645
regional account. I know there is an annual report that's

3517
06:24:14,645 --> 06:24:17,885
shared. I am understanding that the same thing happens with

3518
06:24:17,885 --> 06:24:23,120
other municipalities. And so to say. That reportedly, as was

3519
06:24:23,120 --> 06:24:25,680
reported, and so it was incorrect. We should clarify that

3520
06:24:25,680 --> 06:24:29,366
today to say that. There is no line of sight.

3521
06:24:31,243 --> 06:24:33,563
It seems to me not accurate. So I'm wondering if

3522
06:24:33,563 --> 06:24:36,683
we can get clarity on both. Those questions, the approach.

3523
06:24:38,740 --> 06:24:42,992
And the issue. Of what's being shared from area municipalities.

3524
06:24:42,992 --> 06:24:46,232
Okay, so, councilor rabanic, I'm. Just going to summarize your

3525
06:24:46,232 --> 06:24:50,032
final two questions and have staff prepare for that, so.

3526
06:24:50,032 --> 06:24:55,115
It's around the communication, so. How things were disseminated, and

3527
06:24:55,115 --> 06:24:58,515
it seemed in a very desegregated way, as opposed to

3528
06:24:58,515 --> 06:25:01,355
having everyone together, so just some of the thought process

3529
06:25:01,355 --> 06:25:05,115
around that and then the other. Aspect was around that

3530
06:25:05,115 --> 06:25:09,576
infill and clarification, around how information. Is getting between the

3531
06:25:09,576 --> 06:25:13,794
area municipalities for some of that infill development. And how

3532
06:25:13,794 --> 06:25:18,283
it's being shared. Okay. Hopefully that helps. Okay? Thank you

3533
06:25:18,283 --> 06:25:21,363
very much for the question and through the chair. So,

3534
06:25:21,363 --> 06:25:23,803
in thinking about how to work, best with our media

3535
06:25:23,803 --> 06:25:31,156
partners to inform the public. This is a very highly

3536
06:25:31,156 --> 06:25:34,796
technical issue, as I think many people have iterated today.

3537
06:25:36,199 --> 06:25:38,839
And so, to use Calgary as an example, a water

3538
06:25:38,839 --> 06:25:43,088
main break is a fairly simple. Infrastructure issue for people.

3539
06:25:44,466 --> 06:25:48,106
To understand when we're talking about a very complex methodology.

3540
06:25:49,390 --> 06:25:51,910
With a very large number of factors. We really wanted

3541
06:25:51,910 --> 06:25:55,910
to be able to give media the time. To really

3542
06:25:55,910 --> 06:26:00,564
in depth understand, to have a conversation. And also to

3543
06:26:00,564 --> 06:26:05,007
recognize that different media outlets have very different needs. And

3544
06:26:05,007 --> 06:26:08,607
so we know through working with our media partners that

3545
06:26:08,607 --> 06:26:12,567
sitting down with a few fantastic reporters at the record.

3546
06:26:12,567 --> 06:26:15,633
They want to have a very different conversation. That our

3547
06:26:15,633 --> 06:26:19,913
friends at CTV or those who work at 570. And

3548
06:26:19,913 --> 06:26:24,708
so we did take. A very intentional approach to work

3549
06:26:24,708 --> 06:26:27,988
with our media on what would work best for them.

3550
06:26:27,988 --> 06:26:30,588
We always take feedback and if there are other approaches

3551
06:26:30,588 --> 06:26:34,388
that might be best in future but really wanted to

3552
06:26:34,388 --> 06:26:38,508
take the time to have those in depth, lengthy conversations

3553
06:26:38,508 --> 06:26:43,457
which took many hours. Of our acting CiO's time to

3554
06:26:43,457 --> 06:26:45,577
explain to media. So that's just a bit of the

3555
06:26:45,577 --> 06:26:48,595
thinking behind it. To sort of try to get the

3556
06:26:48,595 --> 06:26:54,083
best. Information possible out there for residents. And to my

3557
06:26:54,083 --> 06:26:58,691
second question. Through the chair. I'm going to defer to

3558
06:26:58,691 --> 06:27:02,977
Nicole. Thank you. Through the chair. I think the second

3559
06:27:02,977 --> 06:27:06,737
question provides a great opportunity for clarification in terms of

3560
06:27:06,737 --> 06:27:08,937
that. There has been a lot of really great ongoing

3561
06:27:08,937 --> 06:27:13,742
collaboration with air municipalities and data sharing. In terms of.

3562
06:27:13,742 --> 06:27:18,960
Specifically with respect to intensification. And the discussion around that.

3563
06:27:18,960 --> 06:27:22,192
I think it's important that. We clarify that there are

3564
06:27:22,192 --> 06:27:24,672
ways that that data was being shared and was being

3565
06:27:24,672 --> 06:27:27,552
tracked, and then we've identified where there is areas where

3566
06:27:27,552 --> 06:27:30,672
we can enhance that trucking on the water. And wastewater

3567
06:27:30,672 --> 06:27:34,232
monitoring our port. So in terms of development applications that

3568
06:27:34,232 --> 06:27:36,872
are submitted for review by the region of Waterloo. Based

3569
06:27:36,872 --> 06:27:39,832
on the Planning act. These are all assessed based on

3570
06:27:39,832 --> 06:27:42,334
available capacity. In the water system at the time of

3571
06:27:42,334 --> 06:27:47,092
the application. Through the Water and wastewater monitoring report. We

3572
06:27:47,092 --> 06:27:51,812
do capture growth through a projection for the coming ten

3573
06:27:51,812 --> 06:27:54,652
years in terms of what that maximum week demand looks

3574
06:27:54,652 --> 06:27:58,532
like. And again, that projection is based on population growth

3575
06:27:58,532 --> 06:28:03,352
that's intended to account for all development types. Where there's

3576
06:28:03,352 --> 06:28:06,472
an opportunity to enhance, if there's a specific reporting mechanism

3577
06:28:06,472 --> 06:28:12,788
for committed capacity. And committed capacity. Trucks, specifically development that

3578
06:28:12,788 --> 06:28:15,788
follows the plan of subdivision process. So I think some

3579
06:28:15,788 --> 06:28:17,988
of the narrative around that, and maybe some confusion is

3580
06:28:17,988 --> 06:28:21,148
that there is that one opportunity for enhancement, and it

3581
06:28:21,148 --> 06:28:23,388
was not meant to reflect there wasn't data sharing or

3582
06:28:23,388 --> 06:28:29,401
collaboration. Yeah. I guess. What needs to go with that,

3583
06:28:29,401 --> 06:28:33,795
then, is. It's out there publicly. I mean, Mr. Getsky.

3584
06:28:38,230 --> 06:28:40,190
You had answered the question to the media and are

3585
06:28:40,190 --> 06:28:43,230
quoted. And so are we asking the media. To correct

3586
06:28:43,230 --> 06:28:48,207
that. If it was misquoted in terms of the response,

3587
06:28:48,207 --> 06:28:52,103
okay. There's already been two questions and follow ups, Councilor

3588
06:28:52,103 --> 06:28:56,626
Verbanovic. So. I think in the end, if we need

3589
06:28:56,626 --> 06:28:58,466
to come back to that, especially with some of these

3590
06:28:58,466 --> 06:29:04,340
motions that are coming forward. Opportunity to respond. To that

3591
06:29:04,340 --> 06:29:10,756
whole media taking something. And. Making it seem like. It's

3592
06:29:10,756 --> 06:29:14,156
more of a concern than absolutely it was in terms

3593
06:29:14,156 --> 06:29:17,732
of. To close this out, though. Can Mr. Gutsky answer

3594
06:29:17,732 --> 06:29:20,652
the question? Are we going to ask for a correction

3595
06:29:20,652 --> 06:29:23,793
from the media. You can go ahead and answer that

3596
06:29:23,793 --> 06:29:25,913
to the chair. I know we've asked for a couple

3597
06:29:25,913 --> 06:29:31,285
of corrections from the media things that. Were not reported

3598
06:29:31,285 --> 06:29:37,352
accurately. We've already said that on that specific point. Maybe

3599
06:29:37,352 --> 06:29:40,392
I'll lean into Connie on what exactly was brought back

3600
06:29:40,392 --> 06:29:43,862
to the media. Thanks, Matt. You. And with that, I

3601
06:29:43,862 --> 06:29:47,022
think media have done a really great job reporting on

3602
06:29:47,022 --> 06:29:50,782
what is a highly technical issue. We have had some

3603
06:29:50,782 --> 06:29:55,717
reach outs today, and. We'll work with media to make

3604
06:29:55,717 --> 06:29:58,317
sure that we've been as clear as possible. And that

3605
06:29:58,317 --> 06:30:01,397
they're able to report the best information possible on this.

3606
06:30:03,154 --> 06:30:05,154
And I think this discussion here with the answering with

3607
06:30:05,154 --> 06:30:09,884
a question shows that. There should be some sort of

3608
06:30:09,884 --> 06:30:17,112
correction. Recognizing the meteor, not technical engineers. And hydrologists. So

3609
06:30:17,112 --> 06:30:21,032
there's an opportunity potentially, that should be corrected. Okay, moving.

3610
06:30:22,177 --> 06:30:27,085
Along. Chair, Redmi. Thank you. I'm looking for some clarification

3611
06:30:27,085 --> 06:30:29,805
from staff on some of the input that we got

3612
06:30:29,805 --> 06:30:32,765
from the delegations this morning because we didn't go to

3613
06:30:32,765 --> 06:30:35,765
staff questions because the report wasn't before us. And, Amy,

3614
06:30:35,765 --> 06:30:38,125
I really appreciate the fact that you've already. Acknowledged that

3615
06:30:38,125 --> 06:30:43,545
we can incorporate some representatives from the development community. On

3616
06:30:43,545 --> 06:30:46,879
our working group as we go forward. There also was

3617
06:30:46,879 --> 06:30:51,533
a concern. By existing capacity. It was Larry Kotsup that

3618
06:30:51,533 --> 06:30:56,483
brought this up and that maybe. Their capacity is already

3619
06:30:56,483 --> 06:30:58,643
in the system, but they're not building out, so I

3620
06:30:58,643 --> 06:31:00,763
guess I would just look to have that clarified and

3621
06:31:00,763 --> 06:31:05,612
that confirmed if we're going forward. With sort of drilling

3622
06:31:05,612 --> 06:31:10,385
down to that level of detail and also. Just to

3623
06:31:10,385 --> 06:31:15,225
reference that our water reserve. I believe Wayne has $100

3624
06:31:15,225 --> 06:31:20,116
million in it. Through the chair. Let me clarify. We

3625
06:31:20,116 --> 06:31:24,436
have water Capital reserve that has approximately $100 million that

3626
06:31:24,436 --> 06:31:28,716
is linked to projects. We have a stabilization reserve that

3627
06:31:28,716 --> 06:31:34,680
has $9 million. Okay, thank you. And I guess just

3628
06:31:34,680 --> 06:31:36,720
if staff wanted to comment on some of the issues,

3629
06:31:38,341 --> 06:31:41,897
The 20% resiliency. Has already been clarified. Really? Well, but

3630
06:31:41,897 --> 06:31:44,977
that was the other issue that I heard delegations sort

3631
06:31:44,977 --> 06:31:49,323
of questioning, so I'm glad that that's been clarified. Okay,

3632
06:31:49,323 --> 06:31:55,654
councilor. So now we're going into the second round. Just

3633
06:31:55,654 --> 06:31:59,014
maybe for the first question. Amy, do you want to

3634
06:31:59,014 --> 06:32:05,830
respond to that one? The specific one about. Taking capacity

3635
06:32:05,830 --> 06:32:09,986
from. About historical capacity and how that I'm not aware

3636
06:32:09,986 --> 06:32:13,746
of a situation where we hold capacity. If an industry

3637
06:32:13,746 --> 06:32:16,106
closes down. So I think we've looked at the numbers.

3638
06:32:17,772 --> 06:32:23,532
Around 2017 2018, that facility started slowing its processes to

3639
06:32:23,532 --> 06:32:26,712
almost a minimal amount of flow. Now. So all of

3640
06:32:26,712 --> 06:32:31,592
our current data flow monitoring data would incorporate what's happening

3641
06:32:31,592 --> 06:32:34,432
today and not what was happening seven years ago. So

3642
06:32:34,432 --> 06:32:38,144
I'm not aware of a mechanism where we're. Holding previous

3643
06:32:38,144 --> 06:32:42,068
industrial capacity when they were. Fully, fully full out functioning.

3644
06:32:43,800 --> 06:32:46,797
For later use. Thank you. If I can just underscore.

3645
06:32:46,797 --> 06:32:49,877
That's why these discussions are really important. And we wouldn't

3646
06:32:49,877 --> 06:32:53,717
be talking about new methodology and capacity on a Goforward

3647
06:32:53,717 --> 06:32:56,917
basis. If it wasn't for our staff. So please thank

3648
06:32:56,917 --> 06:33:01,181
all of your teams for us. Okay, so we are

3649
06:33:01,181 --> 06:33:06,259
now going into second round of questioning. And after that,

3650
06:33:06,259 --> 06:33:09,299
we will go into the motion. So this is the

3651
06:33:09,299 --> 06:33:12,019
last kind of second round. Of questioning, then we're going

3652
06:33:12,019 --> 06:33:15,699
into the motion. So I have councilor McCabe. Thank you.

3653
06:33:18,555 --> 06:33:19,955
I still have a number of questions, so I guess

3654
06:33:19,955 --> 06:33:23,575
I'll just pick a couple of. Them. Just, I guess

3655
06:33:23,575 --> 06:33:26,855
on the clarification piece that we were just talking about.

3656
06:33:28,775 --> 06:33:33,592
With respect to the median that. Because one of the

3657
06:33:33,592 --> 06:33:36,312
things that I spoke to you, Mitch, you about on

3658
06:33:36,312 --> 06:33:41,592
Friday was comments that were made around infill development, because

3659
06:33:41,592 --> 06:33:45,558
what I had read was that. Infill development hadn't been

3660
06:33:45,558 --> 06:33:48,118
incorporated. But then, when I spoke to you, I understood.

3661
06:33:48,118 --> 06:33:51,267
That that. Was. Actually, there was a bit of a

3662
06:33:51,267 --> 06:33:56,462
confusion. Around a different report and that, in fact, infill

3663
06:33:56,462 --> 06:34:01,022
development has always and continues to be captured in this

3664
06:34:01,022 --> 06:34:04,710
data. In the water flow data and in the population

3665
06:34:04,710 --> 06:34:07,750
projections and all of that. So could you just. Speak

3666
06:34:07,750 --> 06:34:12,443
to that and provide some clarification around that. So, future

3667
06:34:12,443 --> 06:34:15,843
chair. Maybe I'll start. And Nicole, who's. I think you've

3668
06:34:15,843 --> 06:34:19,323
already responded to that to some extent. But just to

3669
06:34:19,323 --> 06:34:23,508
be clear, Infill was that was part of a reporting

3670
06:34:23,508 --> 06:34:26,988
mechanism on committed capacity where that was not calculated. But

3671
06:34:26,988 --> 06:34:29,828
every year we look at water usage and we look

3672
06:34:29,828 --> 06:34:33,841
at populations and we look at. The real system, not

3673
06:34:33,841 --> 06:34:38,073
a theoretical one. So all of the info. Was used.

3674
06:34:39,464 --> 06:34:42,342
In the way that we assess. The need for water.

3675
06:34:44,045 --> 06:34:47,504
And in the forecast as well. Okay? But I don't

3676
06:34:47,504 --> 06:34:50,584
know. Nicole, if you wanted to point specifically to what

3677
06:34:50,584 --> 06:34:53,794
was missing, there. I think you did a good job

3678
06:34:53,794 --> 06:35:00,909
of summarizing. Like you said, for existing water usage, any

3679
06:35:00,909 --> 06:35:04,909
infill that happens throughout the year, that's. Captured. It transitions

3680
06:35:04,909 --> 06:35:07,309
from something that is planned to something that is measured

3681
06:35:07,309 --> 06:35:11,309
in our water use. And as alluded to the projection

3682
06:35:11,309 --> 06:35:15,149
for that ten year maximum week demand forecast, that is,

3683
06:35:15,149 --> 06:35:18,551
overall population, so it includes infill. And intensification as part

3684
06:35:18,551 --> 06:35:21,311
of that forecast as well. Okay. Because there was some

3685
06:35:21,311 --> 06:35:24,511
confusion, something was reported a bit differently than that. So

3686
06:35:24,511 --> 06:35:28,027
again, I know it's really technical. In that, but just

3687
06:35:28,027 --> 06:35:30,867
wanted to flag that. So my question to go back

3688
06:35:30,867 --> 06:35:38,021
to the resiliency piece. Does the 20% resiliency factor, along

3689
06:35:38,021 --> 06:35:42,621
with the move from peak to average sustainable capacity. Does

3690
06:35:42,621 --> 06:35:46,461
it have to be so bluntly implemented, or can this

3691
06:35:46,461 --> 06:35:53,799
be phased? Over from now over a few years. To

3692
06:35:53,799 --> 06:35:58,428
mitigate the impacts on the current development pipeline. And as

3693
06:35:58,428 --> 06:36:02,215
you've talked about how. We're going to fix things. We're

3694
06:36:02,215 --> 06:36:06,010
going to bring some more capacity online and. So does

3695
06:36:06,010 --> 06:36:09,890
it have to be so bluntly implemented? And then my

3696
06:36:09,890 --> 06:36:13,677
other part of that is. I am concerned where it

3697
06:36:13,677 --> 06:36:18,815
says the line about water conservation is plateauing. Well, we

3698
06:36:18,815 --> 06:36:21,895
know there's lots of other opportunities for water conservation and

3699
06:36:21,895 --> 06:36:26,495
using potable water. Versus non potable water and cisterns and

3700
06:36:26,495 --> 06:36:30,093
gray water, and you name it, right? You would know

3701
06:36:30,093 --> 06:36:32,696
certainly better than any of us sitting here. So how

3702
06:36:32,696 --> 06:36:37,647
are those things working? Hand in hand? Go ahead, Nicole.

3703
06:36:37,647 --> 06:36:40,007
So through the chair, I'll address the first part of

3704
06:36:40,007 --> 06:36:45,470
your question, which was. Discussing. The change, and it feels

3705
06:36:45,470 --> 06:36:49,270
abrupt. So the reason why this change is being proposed

3706
06:36:49,270 --> 06:36:52,830
is because the system is indicating signs of stress. Now.

3707
06:36:52,830 --> 06:36:55,750
So this is both inner aquifers and in our day

3708
06:36:55,750 --> 06:36:59,030
to day operations. So the longer that we stay in

3709
06:36:59,030 --> 06:37:02,270
a state of increased stress, then the higher. The risk

3710
06:37:02,270 --> 06:37:05,052
is that something could happen where we may not. Be

3711
06:37:05,052 --> 06:37:08,012
able to meet the water supply needs of the community,

3712
06:37:08,012 --> 06:37:10,092
so I know it was already referenced. Many times today

3713
06:37:10,092 --> 06:37:14,212
in terms of 16% of our capacity is offline now.

3714
06:37:15,902 --> 06:37:17,742
If we were to say we're going to bring those

3715
06:37:17,742 --> 06:37:23,022
facilities back online and we're, going to defer planned upgrades.

3716
06:37:23,022 --> 06:37:25,582
We could choose to do that. But then when we're.

3717
06:37:25,582 --> 06:37:28,422
Running that equipment in a more stressed day, we could

3718
06:37:28,422 --> 06:37:31,542
then have unexpected failures, and then we could need far

3719
06:37:31,542 --> 06:37:35,062
more than 20% based on what was unplanned. That happened.

3720
06:37:36,148 --> 06:37:39,068
So in terms of the need for the change now

3721
06:37:39,068 --> 06:37:41,948
it is because we are seeing signs of stress now,

3722
06:37:41,948 --> 06:37:44,828
but before you answer the second half of that. But

3723
06:37:44,828 --> 06:37:47,638
that's not what we're asking. We're not asking you to

3724
06:37:47,638 --> 06:37:51,912
stop the repairs and the investigations. We're asking. Like as

3725
06:37:51,912 --> 06:37:57,025
those are happening. And as we know, development takes. One

3726
06:37:57,025 --> 06:38:01,018
of the gentlemen that was here today, he said, His

3727
06:38:01,018 --> 06:38:05,310
development at former Crow slands is about. Ten towers in

3728
06:38:05,310 --> 06:38:07,030
total. They're going to start with one, and it's going

3729
06:38:07,030 --> 06:38:10,270
to take 20 years. Right. So it's like this phased

3730
06:38:10,270 --> 06:38:13,350
approach, so we're not asking. You to stop some of

3731
06:38:13,350 --> 06:38:17,777
that technical work that obviously needs to happen. And increase

3732
06:38:17,777 --> 06:38:21,967
stress on the system. I'm just wondering. Why there can't

3733
06:38:21,967 --> 06:38:25,967
be or a phasing of it, of this resiliency. Factor

3734
06:38:25,967 --> 06:38:29,327
instead of going from one to 20, like, one to,

3735
06:38:29,327 --> 06:38:31,807
I don't know, do it. In steps one to five,

3736
06:38:31,807 --> 06:38:34,767
to ten to 20. Okay, Nicole, you can respond to

3737
06:38:34,767 --> 06:38:36,487
that, and then. We're going to move on to counselor's

3738
06:38:36,487 --> 06:38:38,847
unit because there's been, like, three or four questions within

3739
06:38:38,847 --> 06:38:42,750
this question. But I do have other questions. But the

3740
06:38:42,750 --> 06:38:46,270
question wasn't. With all due respect, you were answering a

3741
06:38:46,270 --> 06:38:50,470
different question. But, Dorothy. Councillor McCabe, you interrupted to then

3742
06:38:50,470 --> 06:38:56,628
ask another question. As a sidebar to that question. That

3743
06:38:56,628 --> 06:38:58,708
is fine. But there is a process that I've established

3744
06:38:58,708 --> 06:39:01,988
here, and I would expect respect with that process, everyone

3745
06:39:01,988 --> 06:39:05,068
is given the same ability to speak with the follow

3746
06:39:05,068 --> 06:39:07,388
up. So please. Go ahead and respond to that, and

3747
06:39:07,388 --> 06:39:10,348
then we're going to move on to councilor. Hunich. So.

3748
06:39:10,348 --> 06:39:11,828
Through the chair. I'll take that, if you don't mind.

3749
06:39:13,793 --> 06:39:17,593
So, as Nicole said, 16% is offline right now. And

3750
06:39:17,593 --> 06:39:19,833
so if we were to give away that capacity to

3751
06:39:19,833 --> 06:39:22,393
development. Even if we get that back and we put

3752
06:39:22,393 --> 06:39:25,153
Greenbrook back on. And parkway back on and get all

3753
06:39:25,153 --> 06:39:29,667
our wells online, and we give that away. And something

3754
06:39:29,667 --> 06:39:32,827
happens. We can't take things offline. I think that's what

3755
06:39:32,827 --> 06:39:36,483
the point we're trying to make is. We have to

3756
06:39:36,483 --> 06:39:39,923
be able to have that resiliency to take it offline,

3757
06:39:39,923 --> 06:39:42,083
and if it's taken away or if we don't have

3758
06:39:42,083 --> 06:39:45,123
enough, then we are not able. To. So even now

3759
06:39:45,123 --> 06:39:47,803
we're peaking our wells, as we said, and in the

3760
06:39:47,803 --> 06:39:50,723
summer, we can't do any. We're not doing any infrastructure

3761
06:39:50,723 --> 06:39:54,643
repairs throughout the summer period, right? Now because of how

3762
06:39:54,643 --> 06:39:56,666
stressed they are and that we have to wait. Till

3763
06:39:56,666 --> 06:39:58,906
off seasons to do that when the water demand is

3764
06:39:58,906 --> 06:40:04,210
not as high. That's not what I ask. Councilor McCabe

3765
06:40:04,210 --> 06:40:07,130
I guess conservation piece was the other part of it.

3766
06:40:07,130 --> 06:40:10,410
So. Councilor McCabe councilor Hunich been waiting as well as

3767
06:40:10,410 --> 06:40:13,770
others. If councilor Funick wants to offer up some of

3768
06:40:13,770 --> 06:40:15,690
her time for you to ask your question. You can

3769
06:40:15,690 --> 06:40:18,370
have that conversation. With her, but we need to get

3770
06:40:18,370 --> 06:40:21,650
through this. And you've asked three or four sidebar. Questions.

3771
06:40:23,862 --> 06:40:26,869
These weren't sidebar questions I was getting to. What was

3772
06:40:26,869 --> 06:40:32,028
being answered was not what I asked. Okay, councilor McKay,

3773
06:40:32,028 --> 06:40:36,876
or councilor Hunich. Thank you. Through the chair. My understanding

3774
06:40:36,876 --> 06:40:43,177
is that there's two water capacity methodologies in Ontario. Sorry.

3775
06:40:43,177 --> 06:40:46,697
Thank you. My understanding is that there are two water

3776
06:40:46,697 --> 06:40:51,897
capacity measurement methodologies in Ontario. There's the one that was

3777
06:40:51,897 --> 06:40:55,817
recently developed in the basis of our unique water system.

3778
06:41:00,301 --> 06:41:04,421
That was I'm given permission to use by MECP, by

3779
06:41:04,421 --> 06:41:09,526
us in November because. Our water system is unique. And

3780
06:41:09,526 --> 06:41:14,326
then there's a water capacity measurement methodology used by every

3781
06:41:14,326 --> 06:41:21,414
other municipality in Ontario. Is that correct? Through the chair.

3782
06:41:21,414 --> 06:41:29,041
Yes, it is. Much more common that municipalities throughout Ontario

3783
06:41:29,041 --> 06:41:32,401
are using the guidelines that were established by the MECP.

3784
06:41:32,401 --> 06:41:35,361
In the 1990s. I can't say definitively that all of

3785
06:41:35,361 --> 06:41:38,201
them are using that methodology. But I can say that

3786
06:41:38,201 --> 06:41:42,201
it was considered a best industry practice. What I can

3787
06:41:42,201 --> 06:41:45,441
say in terms of the revised methodology and why the

3788
06:41:45,441 --> 06:41:48,841
review was initiated to transition. To the revised methodology is

3789
06:41:48,841 --> 06:41:52,081
because we were seeing signs of stress in our system,

3790
06:41:52,081 --> 06:41:54,241
and that caused us to take a step back and

3791
06:41:54,241 --> 06:41:57,561
look at whether this methodology made sense specific to the

3792
06:41:57,561 --> 06:42:01,241
integrated urban system. And so, thank you. The reason why.

3793
06:42:02,310 --> 06:42:05,227
I wanted to point that out is because. I think

3794
06:42:05,227 --> 06:42:08,347
there is a community narrative that water Louisiana should have

3795
06:42:08,347 --> 06:42:12,779
known sooner. And. This shouldn't be happening because of what

3796
06:42:12,779 --> 06:42:15,739
we've been saying for the past ten. Years. But I

3797
06:42:15,739 --> 06:42:20,179
would like to applaud the water team. Thor flagging what

3798
06:42:20,179 --> 06:42:26,149
they've liked and developing. A new water capacity measurement methodology.

3799
06:42:27,598 --> 06:42:30,718
As quickly as we could based on our unique water

3800
06:42:30,718 --> 06:42:36,419
system, so thank you very much for that. Excellent. Councilor

3801
06:42:36,419 --> 06:42:46,118
Hunich, Councilor Shawn. Thank you. And I'm

3802
06:42:46,118 --> 06:42:50,660
just trying to understand the nuances of this. So I

3803
06:42:50,660 --> 06:42:53,540
don't want you to think that I don't appreciate that

3804
06:42:53,540 --> 06:42:57,020
we need to be very careful of our water and

3805
06:42:57,020 --> 06:42:59,140
take good care of it, and I do appreciate this.

3806
06:42:59,140 --> 06:43:07,017
Coming forward now before. It becomes a real emergency. But

3807
06:43:07,017 --> 06:43:12,513
my question in trying to understand the resiliency piece. I'm

3808
06:43:12,513 --> 06:43:15,622
going to try to come at it this way. Right

3809
06:43:15,622 --> 06:43:25,353
now. If I understand it correctly, because. We've got some

3810
06:43:25,353 --> 06:43:29,433
pieces of equipment that we're trying to fix. We're trying

3811
06:43:29,433 --> 06:43:33,637
to make better. Things are offline. And that has taken

3812
06:43:33,637 --> 06:43:39,865
up about 16%. Of that 20% resiliency that we had

3813
06:43:39,865 --> 06:43:45,486
built. In previously. So if that's the case, are we

3814
06:43:45,486 --> 06:43:53,889
looking for 16% plus? Another 20%. Or is that 16%

3815
06:43:53,889 --> 06:43:59,012
actually part of the 20% that we're looking for? I

3816
06:43:59,012 --> 06:44:00,932
can take it. So I just want to clarify. We

3817
06:44:00,932 --> 06:44:05,852
have 16% of our mannheim service. Area offline, but that

3818
06:44:05,852 --> 06:44:09,852
equates in this very confusing 11% of the operational resiliency.

3819
06:44:11,192 --> 06:44:13,832
Is being used of the 20%, so we're actually using

3820
06:44:13,832 --> 06:44:18,272
11%. It's just 16% of our Mannheim supply is offline

3821
06:44:18,272 --> 06:44:21,832
right now. It's very confusing. I. Apologize. So, yes, you're

3822
06:44:21,832 --> 06:44:25,659
interpreting that chart correctly. What we would like to see.

3823
06:44:26,974 --> 06:44:31,681
Is. Bring us below that sustainable capacity line and then

3824
06:44:31,681 --> 06:44:35,601
bring back 20% as a buffer to get us below

3825
06:44:35,601 --> 06:44:38,881
that operational resiliency line of the 20% to give us

3826
06:44:38,881 --> 06:44:41,481
that room to. Breathe to be able to take things

3827
06:44:41,481 --> 06:44:46,869
offline. Or if we have an emergency situation. Nicole.

3828
06:44:54,776 --> 06:44:56,456
Through the chair. I'm just wondering if this would be

3829
06:44:56,456 --> 06:44:58,576
helpful if we could pull up. A graphic because it

3830
06:44:58,576 --> 06:45:02,161
is a little bit confusing. And if you just bear

3831
06:45:02,161 --> 06:45:05,233
with me for one moment. We have quite a few

3832
06:45:05,233 --> 06:45:12,911
slides here. Maybe I won't be able to get at

3833
06:45:12,911 --> 06:45:21,599
the graphic fast enough. I think, in essence, The question

3834
06:45:21,599 --> 06:45:24,599
is asking if the 16% is double counting, is that

3835
06:45:24,599 --> 06:45:31,558
correct? Sure, yeah. So we have 100% of our system

3836
06:45:31,558 --> 06:45:35,678
capacity, and then we're saying that we need. 20% of

3837
06:45:35,678 --> 06:45:40,678
that system capacity for operational resiliency. So within that 20%,

3838
06:45:40,678 --> 06:45:42,998
then that's where we're able to do work that is

3839
06:45:42,998 --> 06:45:46,718
planned and to navigate situations that are unplanned when we

3840
06:45:46,718 --> 06:45:50,869
talk about. The 16% reference. That means that. Not to

3841
06:45:50,869 --> 06:45:54,149
get into a percentages too much and make it confusing,

3842
06:45:54,149 --> 06:45:57,869
but we're using 16% right now. So there's 4% left

3843
06:45:57,869 --> 06:46:01,589
of the 20% that we have. For new things to

3844
06:46:01,589 --> 06:46:04,429
happen. So if we have additional planned work or something

3845
06:46:04,429 --> 06:46:10,047
else unexpected happens, Does that help to clarify? That's more

3846
06:46:10,047 --> 06:46:16,388
confusing. I apologize. Let's throw away the percentages.

3847
06:46:20,140 --> 06:46:25,106
Are we at 100% capacity now? I just put a

3848
06:46:25,106 --> 06:46:34,920
percentage in there. With the amount of

3849
06:46:34,920 --> 06:46:40,914
water that we're using. Through. Yeah, go ahead. Through the

3850
06:46:40,914 --> 06:46:45,083
chair. The amount of water that we're using right now

3851
06:46:45,083 --> 06:46:49,548
to meet the community needs. Is less than 100% of

3852
06:46:49,548 --> 06:46:53,989
our capacity when everything is online. But what we're using

3853
06:46:53,989 --> 06:46:58,478
right now. Is more than what we have online because

3854
06:46:58,478 --> 06:47:01,078
there's things that are shut down, so we are peaking

3855
06:47:01,078 --> 06:47:03,638
some of our systems to compensate for the fact that

3856
06:47:03,638 --> 06:47:08,228
we have things shut down for ongoing work. Councilor Shaw.

3857
06:47:08,228 --> 06:47:12,348
Sorry to interrupt, but between your questions and councilor McCabe's

3858
06:47:12,348 --> 06:47:17,383
questions. Around this resiliency piece and this percentage. I'm going

3859
06:47:17,383 --> 06:47:20,423
to take a five minute break and have staff get

3860
06:47:20,423 --> 06:47:22,743
a clear answer and you can speak to them about

3861
06:47:22,743 --> 06:47:25,463
exactly what you mean when it comes to this resiliency.

3862
06:47:25,463 --> 06:47:27,823
Just so there's clarity. And for Nicole, for you to

3863
06:47:27,823 --> 06:47:30,463
make it as like cole's? Notes. Dumb it down as

3864
06:47:30,463 --> 06:47:32,263
much as you need to for us, okay?

3865
06:54:49,503 --> 06:54:51,863
Okay, we are going to get going now. I think

3866
06:54:51,863 --> 06:55:01,270
there is clarity around this resilience. And percentages. And I'm

3867
06:55:01,270 --> 06:55:05,988
going to call on staff. To state what the question

3868
06:55:05,988 --> 06:55:10,791
is. That you've heard from a few counselors. And then

3869
06:55:10,791 --> 06:55:13,991
explain the answer for us to continue on with the

3870
06:55:13,991 --> 06:55:17,551
dialogue through the chair, I think. We're going to ask

3871
06:55:17,551 --> 06:55:20,831
Julian Bell, who's the vice president of agile Infrastructure, Inc.

3872
06:55:22,177 --> 06:55:24,657
Give us a little bit of a better overview than

3873
06:55:24,657 --> 06:55:27,217
we can do, and he has a few slides. Welcome,

3874
06:55:27,217 --> 06:55:35,853
Julian. An excellent report. Sorry. Go to slide seven. So

3875
06:55:35,853 --> 06:55:39,213
there's been a lot of discussion and questions around this

3876
06:55:39,213 --> 06:55:49,140
operational resiliency. The screens aren't working. Is that on your

3877
06:55:49,140 --> 06:55:58,156
size? So it's just on my. Left. Okay. I thought

3878
06:55:58,156 --> 06:56:03,963
I'd. Try to explain this operational resiliency and these percentages

3879
06:56:03,963 --> 06:56:07,815
and all this discussion from a slightly different approach. So

3880
06:56:07,815 --> 06:56:10,575
I'm going to use some of the graphs that are

3881
06:56:10,575 --> 06:56:14,974
in the peer review report. So the concept of operational

3882
06:56:14,974 --> 06:56:20,922
resiliency. Is fundamentally. It's the mechanism that we allows the

3883
06:56:20,922 --> 06:56:26,560
region to do repairs and respond to the system. To

3884
06:56:26,560 --> 06:56:31,435
maintain in a good state of repair. Or unexpected events,

3885
06:56:31,435 --> 06:56:35,863
right? So there's a very complex system. Think of it

3886
06:56:35,863 --> 06:56:39,983
like a machine. There's thousands of moving parts. Those parts

3887
06:56:39,983 --> 06:56:43,143
where you need. To replace things constantly, just like you

3888
06:56:43,143 --> 06:56:45,943
need to replace the oil in your car every couple

3889
06:56:45,943 --> 06:56:50,334
of months. We need to take facilities offline. To do

3890
06:56:50,334 --> 06:56:52,574
repairs. The electrical, we need to change the bulbs in

3891
06:56:52,574 --> 06:56:56,174
the uv systems, we need to do maintenance on 1000

3892
06:56:56,174 --> 06:56:59,934
different pieces of equipment throughout the entire system. So this

3893
06:56:59,934 --> 06:57:04,574
operational resiliency. Isn't necessarily to say, what if something bad

3894
06:57:04,574 --> 06:57:08,805
happens and we lose a facility? For three years and

3895
06:57:08,805 --> 06:57:11,948
all that sort of stuff. It's how can we maintain

3896
06:57:11,948 --> 06:57:15,424
what we have right now? So this graph here. Shows.

3897
06:57:16,680 --> 06:57:19,920
The capacity that's been offline in the Mannheim system over

3898
06:57:19,920 --> 06:57:23,080
the last four years, so. Every single week, the region's

3899
06:57:23,080 --> 06:57:27,000
operation staff, they do an assessment of what facilities are

3900
06:57:27,000 --> 06:57:28,880
going to be offline, which well is going to be

3901
06:57:28,880 --> 06:57:32,000
offline, which water treatment plant is going to be offline.

3902
06:57:32,000 --> 06:57:37,110
Why is it offline? For various different aspects. Is it

3903
06:57:37,110 --> 06:57:39,984
planned? Is it unplanned? And they track it. And so

3904
06:57:39,984 --> 06:57:44,504
this graph shows how much has been offline, on average,

3905
06:57:44,504 --> 06:57:50,519
every single month. Since 2021, about midway through 2021. So

3906
06:57:50,519 --> 06:57:54,679
what this graph is showing is, say, in January 2022.

3907
06:57:56,099 --> 06:57:59,499
20% of all the supply. So that would equate to

3908
06:57:59,499 --> 06:58:04,259
100% all of the 20% operational resiliency that we're suggesting

3909
06:58:04,259 --> 06:58:09,019
be implemented in this process was being utilized in January.

3910
06:58:10,110 --> 06:58:14,310
2022 on that graph is showing in 2023, on average,

3911
06:58:14,310 --> 06:58:18,923
for the whole entire year. 15% of all available supply

3912
06:58:18,923 --> 06:58:22,603
in the Mannheim system was offline for one reason or

3913
06:58:22,603 --> 06:58:26,643
another. So that is 15 of the 20% gone for

3914
06:58:26,643 --> 06:58:31,728
that entire year, so it only left 5%. Left. To

3915
06:58:31,728 --> 06:58:34,048
deal with the what if. What if a water main

3916
06:58:34,048 --> 06:58:37,288
breaks and we lose this other facility? For a week.

3917
06:58:37,288 --> 06:58:39,824
What if. There's a spill and we have to turn

3918
06:58:39,824 --> 06:58:42,424
something off for a week or two to respond to

3919
06:58:42,424 --> 06:58:47,209
it. So that gives kind of the historical context of

3920
06:58:47,209 --> 06:58:50,569
the discussion of can we phase it in with 5%

3921
06:58:50,569 --> 06:58:56,433
or 10% right now. While we're already utilizing. More than

3922
06:58:56,433 --> 06:59:02,823
5% on an ongoing basis today. We're using 1015 percent

3923
06:59:02,823 --> 06:59:08,591
fairly regularly. So another element is the context of is

3924
06:59:08,591 --> 06:59:12,600
20% too much? Could we plan the works differently? I

3925
06:59:12,600 --> 06:59:22,513
think if we go to slide 17, Sorry. Slide 18.

3926
06:59:29,729 --> 06:59:38,698
Is that a 518? Average monthly sorry, the title is

3927
06:59:38,698 --> 06:59:41,738
average monthly demands for the Mannheim service area compared to

3928
06:59:41,738 --> 06:59:47,624
total available systems. Okay, there we go. So this graphic

3929
06:59:47,624 --> 06:59:52,544
here is another way of looking at this operational resiliency

3930
06:59:52,544 --> 06:59:59,178
concept as a whole, so. The top purple line. That's

3931
06:59:59,178 --> 07:00:05,328
100% of capacity. That's everything being online. Doing 100%. There's

3932
07:00:05,328 --> 07:00:09,088
nothing down. There's nothing acting up. There's no spills, there's

3933
07:00:09,088 --> 07:00:15,065
no outages. The dashed red line. That represents this is

3934
07:00:15,065 --> 07:00:18,225
the 20%. That's the target we'd like to have. To

3935
07:00:18,225 --> 07:00:22,305
be able to take things offline, do repairs, do the

3936
07:00:22,305 --> 07:00:25,985
what if these colors in the background. What those represent

3937
07:00:25,985 --> 07:00:29,065
is those are all the different water supplies in the

3938
07:00:29,065 --> 07:00:33,385
Mannheim system. So the bottom gray one represents all the

3939
07:00:33,385 --> 07:00:37,056
smaller ones. Combined together, and then the three top blue

3940
07:00:37,056 --> 07:00:41,816
lines, those represent the three largest individual facilities in the

3941
07:00:41,816 --> 07:00:46,712
Mannheim system. What's really trying to show is if we

3942
07:00:46,712 --> 07:00:49,792
have an unplanned outage. Of any one of those three

3943
07:00:49,792 --> 07:00:55,962
facilities. It doesn't quite count at up to 20%. Of

3944
07:00:55,962 --> 07:00:58,362
that 20% target. But if we lose any one of

3945
07:00:58,362 --> 07:01:03,269
those three facilities, There's more demand in the system today.

3946
07:01:04,391 --> 07:01:07,751
As represented by those dashed black lines, then there would

3947
07:01:07,751 --> 07:01:13,137
be available to supply. With all the other facilities. Available.

3948
07:01:13,137 --> 07:01:18,097
So part of that 20% operational resiliency is not only

3949
07:01:18,097 --> 07:01:21,137
that. First bet of allowing us to take things offline

3950
07:01:21,137 --> 07:01:26,137
to repair. But it's also the second bet portion. Is.

3951
07:01:26,137 --> 07:01:30,169
What if we lose one of these large facilities? For

3952
07:01:30,169 --> 07:01:31,929
a week. We can lose it for a day. There's

3953
07:01:31,929 --> 07:01:34,049
storage in the system to. Lose it for a day.

3954
07:01:34,049 --> 07:01:35,889
If we have a large water main break and it's

3955
07:01:35,889 --> 07:01:39,369
out. For a week. We don't necessarily have the capacity.

3956
07:01:41,028 --> 07:01:45,063
To accommodate all of our supply. Because that one source

3957
07:01:45,063 --> 07:01:48,383
that's providing 10% of our total supply isn't available. To

3958
07:01:48,383 --> 07:01:50,743
us, and we don't have the buffer in our system

3959
07:01:50,743 --> 07:01:53,303
to accommodate it, even for a week or a month.

3960
07:01:55,992 --> 07:01:59,632
So those are the two rationales as to why we

3961
07:01:59,632 --> 07:02:03,491
need an operational. Resiliency. We got to do all this

3962
07:02:03,491 --> 07:02:07,299
planned work. We got to take things offline. Your car

3963
07:02:07,299 --> 07:02:09,579
is never running. 100% of the time, it's in the

3964
07:02:09,579 --> 07:02:13,019
shop when you lose it. It's not available to you.

3965
07:02:13,019 --> 07:02:15,699
It's the same thing with all these. Different facilities. And

3966
07:02:15,699 --> 07:02:18,699
the second one is if something catastrophic or unexpected happens.

3967
07:02:19,790 --> 07:02:22,604
It's a big facility. We need to be able to

3968
07:02:22,604 --> 07:02:25,444
react to it. The last slide, I believe, is slide.

3969
07:02:27,746 --> 07:02:31,282
Move forward. Yeah. So this slide here is another graphic,

3970
07:02:31,282 --> 07:02:34,442
and there's the table beforehand, but this is. Really to

3971
07:02:34,442 --> 07:02:37,782
try to show a very simplified. We've got a couple

3972
07:02:37,782 --> 07:02:40,302
of Colors. We've got again that top Line, that purple.

3973
07:02:40,302 --> 07:02:47,279
Line. That's 100% of supply. The red line is. That

3974
07:02:47,279 --> 07:02:52,799
20% operational target the dashed line. That's the average demand

3975
07:02:52,799 --> 07:02:56,599
throughout the entire system. For any given year, so we're

3976
07:02:56,599 --> 07:03:02,695
already past the 20%. This is outside of peaking and

3977
07:03:02,695 --> 07:03:07,129
other aspects. And then the orange line represents that's how

3978
07:03:07,129 --> 07:03:10,129
much we actually had. So the purple is. What we

3979
07:03:10,129 --> 07:03:13,296
would have in theory. And the orange is what we

3980
07:03:13,296 --> 07:03:16,496
would have if we were operating everything at a sustainable

3981
07:03:16,496 --> 07:03:24,415
rate and you can see. Essentially. We're using approximately right

3982
07:03:24,415 --> 07:03:30,062
now, 11% of that suggested 20%. So over half of

3983
07:03:30,062 --> 07:03:34,361
it just to meet current demands. So that means, although

3984
07:03:34,361 --> 07:03:38,758
we would like to have 20% available to us, To

3985
07:03:38,758 --> 07:03:41,038
do all these operational works, which we've been using, on

3986
07:03:41,038 --> 07:03:46,948
average, ten to 16%. We only have five or so

3987
07:03:46,948 --> 07:03:51,927
or. Sorry. Eleven. So nine left. Less than half. And

3988
07:03:51,927 --> 07:03:55,944
so. We can't manage it that way. So what's actually

3989
07:03:55,944 --> 07:03:59,024
end up happening is as opposed to operating a sustainable

3990
07:03:59,024 --> 07:04:03,365
rate. We're pumping at a faster rate. So the analogy

3991
07:04:03,365 --> 07:04:06,365
I would use is we're redlining their engine while we're

3992
07:04:06,365 --> 07:04:10,245
driving down the highway and the engine light is on.

3993
07:04:10,245 --> 07:04:13,906
So we can keep driving. Or we can slow down,

3994
07:04:13,906 --> 07:04:19,929
right? And then. We can leave the engine light on

3995
07:04:19,929 --> 07:04:23,649
and not incorporate an operational resiliency, or we can. Bring

3996
07:04:23,649 --> 07:04:27,089
it in for repairs to make sure that things are

3997
07:04:27,089 --> 07:04:29,769
going to be in a good state. Fit of repair,

3998
07:04:29,769 --> 07:04:34,089
and that's the operational resiliency component. So as of right

3999
07:04:34,089 --> 07:04:38,117
now, we talk about? If we implement a 5% or

4000
07:04:38,117 --> 07:04:44,043
what have you. 20%. Is an appropriate number because all

4001
07:04:44,043 --> 07:04:47,083
the other numbers below that we've already kind of are.

4002
07:04:47,083 --> 07:04:53,357
Utilizing them completely or have surpassed those values. So that's

4003
07:04:53,357 --> 07:04:56,197
hopefully my attempt to try to bring additional clarity or

4004
07:04:56,197 --> 07:05:01,183
context to this 20% operational resiliency. And particular in the

4005
07:05:01,183 --> 07:05:05,841
context. Of the existing system. And just for context, these

4006
07:05:05,841 --> 07:05:10,373
black lines of these supplies that we're showing. They're not

4007
07:05:10,373 --> 07:05:14,900
the theoretical. What would be. This is the actual measured

4008
07:05:14,900 --> 07:05:18,577
of what is produced and delivered to the system. On

4009
07:05:18,577 --> 07:05:23,275
an ongoing basis. From all the facilities within the region.

4010
07:05:23,275 --> 07:05:28,570
Okay. Thank you, Julian. For providing some clarity. Councilor Sean,

4011
07:05:28,570 --> 07:05:31,210
do you have a question? Follow up and then we'll.

4012
07:05:31,210 --> 07:05:36,543
Move along to Councilor Rodriguez. Thank you. I appreciate the

4013
07:05:36,543 --> 07:05:41,552
explanation. And. I was never suggesting that we don't need

4014
07:05:41,552 --> 07:05:46,474
the 20%, but. What I'm hearing you say is we

4015
07:05:46,474 --> 07:05:55,416
are using the 20%. Now. If there's an emergency. We

4016
07:05:55,416 --> 07:05:59,232
could be. In really big trouble. Do we need more

4017
07:05:59,232 --> 07:06:04,775
than the 20% is more of my question. Not that

4018
07:06:04,775 --> 07:06:08,681
I want to go there, but. I'll defer this one

4019
07:06:08,681 --> 07:06:13,588
to staff. So through the chair in terms of the

4020
07:06:13,588 --> 07:06:16,748
amount of operational resiliency that we need to have reliable

4021
07:06:16,748 --> 07:06:19,388
water servicing. We are looking at this as well through

4022
07:06:19,388 --> 07:06:23,028
the water supply strategy update that looks at the community's

4023
07:06:23,028 --> 07:06:26,748
water supply needs through to 2051, there was a higher

4024
07:06:26,748 --> 07:06:30,348
target. That was established through the work for that ongo.

4025
07:06:31,152 --> 07:06:35,002
Ongoing project, but it was recognized that it takes time

4026
07:06:35,002 --> 07:06:39,282
to implement that desired target. The 2015 water supply master

4027
07:06:39,282 --> 07:06:43,362
plan. It had something. It's very similar to operational resiliency,

4028
07:06:43,362 --> 07:06:47,282
but it was referred to as the required surplus capacity.

4029
07:06:47,282 --> 07:06:49,082
So that's something that was already in place. For the

4030
07:06:49,082 --> 07:06:52,410
long term planning processes and really through the peer. Review.

4031
07:06:52,410 --> 07:06:55,839
The question was. What is the minimum that we should

4032
07:06:55,839 --> 07:06:58,519
be looking to protect versus what is the long term

4033
07:06:58,519 --> 07:07:01,199
target? That we should be working towards. So when you

4034
07:07:01,199 --> 07:07:03,919
say, do we need more than 20%, it would be

4035
07:07:03,919 --> 07:07:06,519
beneficial to have more than 20%, and we will continue

4036
07:07:06,519 --> 07:07:10,498
to work towards providing more. Operational resiliency. But the 20%

4037
07:07:10,498 --> 07:07:16,686
was considered to be a minimum. Okay. Thank you. Councilor

4038
07:07:16,686 --> 07:07:20,646
Rodriguez here. Thank you. Chair staff, I'm wondering if I

4039
07:07:20,646 --> 07:07:23,446
could get an end. Through the chair. Just some insight.

4040
07:07:23,446 --> 07:07:24,966
When I look around at each of the commissioners here,

4041
07:07:24,966 --> 07:07:29,414
there's. Different regional projects that are impacted by. What we're

4042
07:07:29,414 --> 07:07:34,813
talking about today in terms of. Housing, child care. Transit

4043
07:07:34,813 --> 07:07:38,313
facilities. And I really think we need to have a

4044
07:07:38,313 --> 07:07:41,073
big understanding of what the impacts are for these types

4045
07:07:41,073 --> 07:07:43,593
of projects, and I understand you might not be able

4046
07:07:43,593 --> 07:07:46,713
to provide immense detail right now, but. If we could

4047
07:07:46,713 --> 07:07:49,313
get some information on that as we move through this,

4048
07:07:49,313 --> 07:07:51,273
I think council really needs to understand it when we

4049
07:07:51,273 --> 07:07:53,393
say we want to break ground on a major facility

4050
07:07:53,393 --> 07:07:57,073
this year where we're talking about. New affordable housing projects

4051
07:07:57,073 --> 07:07:59,891
coming online. And all of that. I think we need

4052
07:07:59,891 --> 07:08:03,380
a full and honest conversation about. What the impacts are.

4053
07:08:05,655 --> 07:08:09,650
How we're managing that. And how we communicate that to

4054
07:08:09,650 --> 07:08:12,570
partners, ourselves and to the community. So I don't know.

4055
07:08:12,570 --> 07:08:13,810
If there's any staff have to add now, but if

4056
07:08:13,810 --> 07:08:15,930
we could get some information on that. Do you really

4057
07:08:15,930 --> 07:08:22,146
appreciate it? I'm seeing some nods. Thank you, chair. We're

4058
07:08:22,146 --> 07:08:30,595
good. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Benevict. Thank you very much.

4059
07:08:32,278 --> 07:08:34,438
So today we heard from industry about the importance of

4060
07:08:34,438 --> 07:08:37,958
access to data so everyone can do additional analysis and

4061
07:08:37,958 --> 07:08:41,638
better understand the situation. I know that area municipalities have

4062
07:08:41,638 --> 07:08:44,318
requested access to this data last week as well. And

4063
07:08:44,318 --> 07:08:47,998
I think it's important for three reasons. One, clarity. Two,

4064
07:08:47,998 --> 07:08:52,786
sort of. Regional partners, municipalities, industry and civil. Society can

4065
07:08:52,786 --> 07:08:56,346
do their due diligence and most of all for transparency

4066
07:08:56,346 --> 07:09:00,585
and the restoration of trust, which we heard today. Some

4067
07:09:00,585 --> 07:09:05,225
people, quite frankly, have concerns around. Presumably this data is

4068
07:09:05,225 --> 07:09:07,465
available as it has informed the work. Done by regional

4069
07:09:07,465 --> 07:09:11,225
staff. I'm talking data. Such as? Well, flows, system capacities,

4070
07:09:11,225 --> 07:09:13,345
and so on. Are all part of this, as is

4071
07:09:13,345 --> 07:09:18,160
the impact of things like the plate settlers. In Mannheim

4072
07:09:18,160 --> 07:09:22,360
that's referenced on page 28 of the report, as well

4073
07:09:22,360 --> 07:09:26,240
as additional capacity planned. Within the twelve year window of

4074
07:09:26,240 --> 07:09:30,334
the report. And so I guess. My question really is

4075
07:09:30,334 --> 07:09:34,174
how quickly can we make this data available? There's a

4076
07:09:34,174 --> 07:09:37,908
motion coming. Forward later on. How quickly could we make

4077
07:09:37,908 --> 07:09:43,019
it available to municipalities and to the public? Through the

4078
07:09:43,019 --> 07:09:48,701
chair. Maybe I'll start. So. And then I'll lean on

4079
07:09:48,701 --> 07:09:52,781
Amy to give a timeline on this. We can share.

4080
07:09:52,781 --> 07:09:55,301
I mean again? We've been working with a third party

4081
07:09:55,301 --> 07:09:58,787
peer review, so. We can package all of the data

4082
07:09:58,787 --> 07:10:02,547
that was provided to that peer reviewer and provide that

4083
07:10:02,547 --> 07:10:07,885
to area municipalities. Before sharing all of the data with

4084
07:10:07,885 --> 07:10:12,316
the public, I just like to make sure that. We

4085
07:10:12,316 --> 07:10:16,559
have just some legal eyes. From freedom of information perspective

4086
07:10:16,559 --> 07:10:20,079
before this has shared more broadly. But I would say

4087
07:10:20,079 --> 07:10:22,519
to the area municipalities. We can definitely package all of

4088
07:10:22,519 --> 07:10:25,623
the information. That was provided to their peer reviewer to

4089
07:10:25,623 --> 07:10:28,783
be able to make their assessment. And maybe I'll ask

4090
07:10:28,783 --> 07:10:31,023
Amy to give a bit of a timeline on how

4091
07:10:31,023 --> 07:10:35,965
quickly we can do that. Through the chair. Was there

4092
07:10:35,965 --> 07:10:41,005
a date in the motion that you were proposing? There's

4093
07:10:41,005 --> 07:10:46,471
not a specific date at this point. Obviously. Yesterday would

4094
07:10:46,471 --> 07:10:50,869
be great, but that's not realistic. I will consult with

4095
07:10:50,869 --> 07:10:54,736
the staff. I don't think. It will be very difficult

4096
07:10:54,736 --> 07:10:57,736
to package up what we've already sent to Agile Infrastructure

4097
07:10:57,736 --> 07:11:01,416
limited. So it would just depend on if that ass

4098
07:11:01,416 --> 07:11:04,576
kept getting larger. Then it may take longer, but. I

4099
07:11:04,576 --> 07:11:07,896
would say a week or two probably would be doable.

4100
07:11:07,896 --> 07:11:12,717
Okay. That's great. And just Mr. Getstick, you can clarify

4101
07:11:12,717 --> 07:11:18,266
the bit about legal and the foi. It's numbers that

4102
07:11:18,266 --> 07:11:22,546
have formed a report about usage and capacities. I'm just

4103
07:11:22,546 --> 07:11:24,986
trying. To understand what the issue or concern might be.

4104
07:11:27,231 --> 07:11:32,948
Through the chair. I'm not familiar with exactly. What was

4105
07:11:32,948 --> 07:11:36,188
provided to agile. So just to be an abundance of

4106
07:11:36,188 --> 07:11:39,908
caution in terms of releasing data, that we would just

4107
07:11:39,908 --> 07:11:44,342
want to do a review to see. If. There are

4108
07:11:44,342 --> 07:11:47,600
any pieces of information that are part of it. That

4109
07:11:47,600 --> 07:11:50,880
perhaps should be retained. Okay, well, we can get it

4110
07:11:50,880 --> 07:11:53,840
to the municipalities and maybe report back. In camera if

4111
07:11:53,840 --> 07:12:00,374
needed. That would be great. And then the only other

4112
07:12:00,374 --> 07:12:06,982
question. I have is. With respect to the infrastructure, and

4113
07:12:06,982 --> 07:12:10,424
we heard a little bit about. A critical failure as

4114
07:12:10,424 --> 07:12:17,253
an example. And so I'm thinking about. We know that

4115
07:12:17,253 --> 07:12:19,813
the issue of the plates that I just referenced at

4116
07:12:19,813 --> 07:12:23,571
Manheim and the work that needs to be done. To

4117
07:12:23,571 --> 07:12:28,377
deal with that, but something like Greenbrook. If there was

4118
07:12:28,377 --> 07:12:33,971
a critical failure. As an example. What does that mean?

4119
07:12:33,971 --> 07:12:38,941
I guess what I'm trying to understand is. Are there

4120
07:12:38,941 --> 07:12:42,483
mechanisms to bring in? On a truck pumps or whatever.

4121
07:12:43,929 --> 07:12:48,375
That can keep things running. On an interim basis. If

4122
07:12:48,375 --> 07:12:52,345
a critical failure. Were to happen because you often hear,

4123
07:12:52,345 --> 07:12:56,985
like in areas where an earthquake happens or something, the

4124
07:12:56,985 --> 07:13:00,225
military comes in with pumps and runs things. So I'm

4125
07:13:00,225 --> 07:13:03,745
just wondering how that maybe fits into. Part of our

4126
07:13:03,745 --> 07:13:09,314
planning. So through the chair. Greenbrook treatment plant is down

4127
07:13:09,314 --> 07:13:12,273
right now, completely. So I'm not sure if you were

4128
07:13:12,273 --> 07:13:14,913
referring to Mannheim water treatment plants. So that's. The one.

4129
07:13:16,233 --> 07:13:19,593
We more specifically talk about the catastrophic failure of the

4130
07:13:19,593 --> 07:13:23,867
plate settlers at the Mannheim water treatment plant. So that

4131
07:13:23,867 --> 07:13:26,202
is the one I mentioned. That we act in are

4132
07:13:26,202 --> 07:13:30,162
in detail design to have a solution for Mannheim right

4133
07:13:30,162 --> 07:13:33,282
now so that is underway. We're hoping to regain that

4134
07:13:33,282 --> 07:13:37,122
capacity. GreenBrook is one of those projects that we've been

4135
07:13:37,122 --> 07:13:41,082
working on repairs there for some time, and that's the

4136
07:13:41,082 --> 07:13:43,402
one that I mentioned that we are hoping to have

4137
07:13:43,402 --> 07:13:48,274
online. Back in 2026. Is any of the challenge. We

4138
07:13:48,274 --> 07:13:51,394
can just close up on this one on Greenbrook. A

4139
07:13:51,394 --> 07:13:54,754
result. Of the explosion we had a few years ago.

4140
07:13:54,754 --> 07:13:58,437
Because of chemicals, if I remember correctly. There was an

4141
07:13:58,437 --> 07:14:00,997
incident there. I don't remember all the details. Through the

4142
07:14:00,997 --> 07:14:05,077
chair. I might. Ask Ryan Snyder, who's the manager of

4143
07:14:05,077 --> 07:14:08,597
water operations, to come down if you don't. Mind. Thank

4144
07:14:08,597 --> 07:14:18,127
you. Yeah, through the chair. You picked a great example.

4145
07:14:18,127 --> 07:14:20,167
That facility has had a lot of challenges over the

4146
07:14:20,167 --> 07:14:23,647
years it was exploded due to a chemical mixing in,

4147
07:14:23,647 --> 07:14:28,621
I want to say, 2016. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Yes, it

4148
07:14:28,621 --> 07:14:32,919
is. He's just tall. So the short answer is no.

4149
07:14:32,919 --> 07:14:35,719
It's unrelated to the explosion. This was other infrastructure failures.

4150
07:14:37,303 --> 07:14:40,543
Major reservoir failure there, and then several process equipment failures

4151
07:14:40,543 --> 07:14:44,258
as well. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. I know

4152
07:14:44,258 --> 07:14:46,138
there's a whole bunch of you here from the department.

4153
07:14:46,138 --> 07:14:48,058
Thank you. For all the great work you're doing to

4154
07:14:48,058 --> 07:14:52,841
try to help us through this situation. Thank you. Councilor.

4155
07:14:53,715 --> 07:14:57,317
Thank you, Jared. James. I'm sorry, I don't have a

4156
07:14:57,317 --> 07:15:00,477
motion to bring the numbers up to six. Or seven.

4157
07:15:02,173 --> 07:15:05,413
And I'm not trying to minimize the importance of this

4158
07:15:05,413 --> 07:15:07,213
at all, or the number of motions we're going to

4159
07:15:07,213 --> 07:15:15,542
be dealing with. Hearing the delegations this morning, which. Were

4160
07:15:15,542 --> 07:15:20,307
very convincing. We're going to be passing motions and asking

4161
07:15:20,307 --> 07:15:22,307
for staff to collect more data, which is. Going to

4162
07:15:22,307 --> 07:15:25,147
be shared with the development industry and the community at

4163
07:15:25,147 --> 07:15:29,307
large. I hope we don't. Come back with competing data

4164
07:15:29,307 --> 07:15:32,787
with different interest groups, and we're pitting one group. Against

4165
07:15:32,787 --> 07:15:35,027
the other group, but against the region where we have

4166
07:15:35,027 --> 07:15:39,997
different. Scenarios of what has to happen. I think staff

4167
07:15:39,997 --> 07:15:45,175
have been working. Beyond expectations for the last six or

4168
07:15:45,175 --> 07:15:49,954
eight weeks. To give us the information we need. The

4169
07:15:49,954 --> 07:15:52,434
six or seven motions that are going to be for

4170
07:15:52,434 --> 07:15:55,914
us today are going to be asking for more work.

4171
07:15:55,914 --> 07:15:58,814
And if I remember, a week or two ago, We

4172
07:15:58,814 --> 07:16:02,054
were yielding, I think, with the alternate tenting site, and

4173
07:16:02,054 --> 07:16:04,374
we decided that one of the reasons we weren't going

4174
07:16:04,374 --> 07:16:07,014
to do it because staff already had plates full. Well.

4175
07:16:08,931 --> 07:16:12,387
If community services had. Plateful water has plates full as

4176
07:16:12,387 --> 07:16:17,027
well and overflowing, so I want us to be sensitive

4177
07:16:17,027 --> 07:16:21,067
to the workload, to what we're expecting, what the expectations

4178
07:16:21,067 --> 07:16:25,467
might be, and we don't set up any competing interests,

4179
07:16:25,467 --> 07:16:27,947
and the bottom line is to try and do good.

4180
07:16:27,947 --> 07:16:31,625
For every region or every resident in the region. And

4181
07:16:31,625 --> 07:16:34,878
so I don't want to minimize. The impact of the

4182
07:16:34,878 --> 07:16:37,038
seriousness of this, what we're dealing with, but just to

4183
07:16:37,038 --> 07:16:40,852
keep in mind. What the expectations might be and what

4184
07:16:40,852 --> 07:16:45,473
we're asking for. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Herb. Okay with

4185
07:16:45,473 --> 07:16:48,713
that, there are no more questions regarding this report as

4186
07:16:48,713 --> 07:16:51,521
stated, there are. A number of motions that need to

4187
07:16:51,521 --> 07:16:55,877
come forward. Clerks. We're going to post the motions in

4188
07:16:55,877 --> 07:16:59,382
order that they were received. You've got the first one.

4189
07:17:06,779 --> 07:17:15,611
Let the motions be consolidated. Okay. And this one's councilor

4190
07:17:15,611 --> 07:17:21,355
McCabe's. They're all together. We have not combined them at

4191
07:17:21,355 --> 07:17:25,041
all, okay? The operative part.

4192
07:17:32,226 --> 07:17:37,835
I need to therefore be it resolved. There's a long.

4193
07:17:42,834 --> 07:17:49,219
Way. I didn't.

4194
07:17:53,316 --> 07:18:00,931
Okay, so with that. There is Councilor McCabe's motion.

4195
07:18:03,632 --> 07:18:05,992
It's moved by Councilor McKaba. Need a seconder to put

4196
07:18:05,992 --> 07:18:09,472
it on. The floor. Councilor Hunich. Okay, so, Councilor McCabe.

4197
07:18:11,039 --> 07:18:13,999
In the interest of. Not everyone has seen this motion.

4198
07:18:13,999 --> 07:18:21,292
Just us. The public has countercade did circulating it. Okay.

4199
07:18:22,243 --> 07:18:29,786
Which is on the screen now. Councilor McCabe. Okay, so

4200
07:18:29,786 --> 07:18:33,306
the motion is on the screen. Council McKay, can you

4201
07:18:33,306 --> 07:18:36,306
read the. Therefore, be it resolved, and then your motion

4202
07:18:36,306 --> 07:18:38,466
is on the floor. You can speak to the whereas.

4203
07:18:43,317 --> 07:18:45,077
In a different way than reading it all out like

4204
07:18:45,077 --> 07:18:51,311
that. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Happy to. So therefore, be it

4205
07:18:51,311 --> 07:18:54,671
resolved that the timeline for a preliminary list of short,

4206
07:18:54,671 --> 07:18:59,311
medium and long term plans for the necessary infrastructure repairs

4207
07:18:59,311 --> 07:19:04,271
be made publicly available before the end of January 2026.

4208
07:19:04,271 --> 07:19:09,243
Rather than in late q one 2026. Okay, so now

4209
07:19:09,243 --> 07:19:14,182
speak to. The reasons why behind this is coming from

4210
07:19:14,182 --> 07:19:17,622
your perspective. Sure. Thank you very much and thanks, everyone.

4211
07:19:17,622 --> 07:19:22,810
For the questions. And the responses and additional information. From

4212
07:19:22,810 --> 07:19:25,570
council and staff today and, of course, to the delegations.

4213
07:19:25,570 --> 07:19:27,770
That has been really helpful and thank you, Councilor Irv,

4214
07:19:27,770 --> 07:19:31,570
for your comments that you just made. It is important

4215
07:19:31,570 --> 07:19:40,103
that we ground ourselves. In. That. But why? I put

4216
07:19:40,103 --> 07:19:44,039
this motion forward is because. We've heard it today a

4217
07:19:44,039 --> 07:19:48,639
lot about clarity, clarity, clarity. And is this a today

4218
07:19:48,639 --> 07:19:54,562
problem? A tomorrow problem or a 2051 problem. And so.

4219
07:19:56,375 --> 07:20:00,509
We keep robust. Waste asset management plans, and I've referenced

4220
07:20:00,509 --> 07:20:02,829
the water supply strategy, and there's a lot of work

4221
07:20:02,829 --> 07:20:07,492
that staff have done over the years. And up until

4222
07:20:07,492 --> 07:20:11,052
2025 that keeps track through our capital plan and our

4223
07:20:11,052 --> 07:20:14,972
asset management plan about what's the state of our infrastructure,

4224
07:20:14,972 --> 07:20:19,117
what needs repaired, et cetera. And what's coming up. And

4225
07:20:19,117 --> 07:20:21,917
then today there was in the report that we just

4226
07:20:21,917 --> 07:20:26,606
discussed, there was some additional information about. Work that staff

4227
07:20:26,606 --> 07:20:28,566
is starting to say. Here's some things that we need

4228
07:20:28,566 --> 07:20:33,465
to do. So I feel like. We have a lot

4229
07:20:33,465 --> 07:20:38,070
of that information. In existing reports and through the work

4230
07:20:38,070 --> 07:20:42,265
that Amy has been leading in. The past month, six

4231
07:20:42,265 --> 07:20:47,951
weeks. And. Just thinking about the needs of the sector,

4232
07:20:47,951 --> 07:20:51,953
the needs of the area municipalities, and just. This is

4233
07:20:51,953 --> 07:20:55,033
a big, challenging problem, and the more we have information,

4234
07:20:55,033 --> 07:20:57,953
and the sooner we have information. The better this will

4235
07:20:57,953 --> 07:21:02,982
be for everyone involved. So that's why I was concerned

4236
07:21:02,982 --> 07:21:05,873
when I read the report and saw that. This list

4237
07:21:05,873 --> 07:21:08,593
of repairs wasn't going to come until the end of

4238
07:21:08,593 --> 07:21:12,209
March. So that's why I've put this forward to say,

4239
07:21:12,209 --> 07:21:15,849
can we get that information? At least a preliminary list

4240
07:21:15,849 --> 07:21:20,280
by the end of January. Okay. I know we have

4241
07:21:20,280 --> 07:21:22,840
a couple of questions from counselors. Matt, I want you

4242
07:21:22,840 --> 07:21:26,560
to kind of weigh in on the feasibility of this

4243
07:21:26,560 --> 07:21:31,573
and what that may look like. Thank you, chair. As

4244
07:21:31,573 --> 07:21:34,013
you know, since the issue was identified, the staff have

4245
07:21:34,013 --> 07:21:37,133
been working, and I think Amy has been explaining some

4246
07:21:37,133 --> 07:21:40,373
of the ideas that staff are working on, both working

4247
07:21:40,373 --> 07:21:42,973
at the same time on short, medium and long term

4248
07:21:42,973 --> 07:21:45,853
solutions because we need to tackle all of these time

4249
07:21:45,853 --> 07:21:50,055
horizons at the same time right now. A lot of

4250
07:21:50,055 --> 07:21:54,055
these ideas and those that will be the faster, the

4251
07:21:54,055 --> 07:21:58,215
fastest to deliver are either some specific repairs or those.

4252
07:21:59,677 --> 07:22:01,877
Which were already in design because they're part of our

4253
07:22:01,877 --> 07:22:04,957
tenure capital program. So a few of them are in

4254
07:22:04,957 --> 07:22:09,225
there and then. The challenge is more about moving them

4255
07:22:09,225 --> 07:22:12,665
forward in the timeline compared to the existing capital program.

4256
07:22:12,665 --> 07:22:16,443
So. We can bring a preliminary list by the end

4257
07:22:16,443 --> 07:22:18,243
of the month. The only thing that we will not

4258
07:22:18,243 --> 07:22:21,215
be able to do. There's a couple of things. First,

4259
07:22:21,215 --> 07:22:24,095
I know Amy's technical works up with industry. Experts is

4260
07:22:24,095 --> 07:22:27,295
there to kind of vet these and the feasibility of

4261
07:22:27,295 --> 07:22:31,533
doing that. So that's one thing. We won't have it

4262
07:22:31,533 --> 07:22:34,173
vetted by the end of January. So it will be

4263
07:22:34,173 --> 07:22:36,373
an unvetted list, so there's a bit of risk to

4264
07:22:36,373 --> 07:22:40,260
that. The second thing is. Amy is also talking. With

4265
07:22:40,260 --> 07:22:43,100
the Ministry of Environment about how to fast track some

4266
07:22:43,100 --> 07:22:47,453
of these projects. So today. We're not able to really

4267
07:22:47,453 --> 07:22:50,453
tell you what a fast track timeline looks like, so

4268
07:22:50,453 --> 07:22:52,933
that's the other? I would say the other limitation to

4269
07:22:52,933 --> 07:22:56,655
what we can bring. And the third one. And that

4270
07:22:56,655 --> 07:22:57,975
was one of the reasons why in the report we

4271
07:22:57,975 --> 07:23:00,775
had said at the end of Q one is we

4272
07:23:00,775 --> 07:23:03,295
won't have the costs, we won't have the timeline, and

4273
07:23:03,295 --> 07:23:06,775
the associated cost at this time so we can. Bring

4274
07:23:06,775 --> 07:23:09,095
orders of magnitude at best, but it's going to be

4275
07:23:09,095 --> 07:23:13,033
hard to cost it, so. I won't be able. To.

4276
07:23:14,233 --> 07:23:18,353
Tie this preliminary list with a recommendation for an adjustment

4277
07:23:18,353 --> 07:23:21,273
to the budget. So that's something. We will not be

4278
07:23:21,273 --> 07:23:23,473
able to do at the end of January, but bringing

4279
07:23:23,473 --> 07:23:26,633
forward a preliminary list is with these caveats, we can

4280
07:23:26,633 --> 07:23:31,068
do that. Thank you very much for that response. So

4281
07:23:31,068 --> 07:23:35,532
given that. I don't know if we then need to

4282
07:23:35,532 --> 07:23:38,172
go forward with this motion. I mean, I'm satisfied if

4283
07:23:38,172 --> 07:23:41,888
that's what comes forward. I don't know if anyone else

4284
07:23:41,888 --> 07:23:46,517
on council wants to comment on that. We have three

4285
07:23:46,517 --> 07:23:48,917
people that want to comment on this. I mean, this

4286
07:23:48,917 --> 07:23:54,999
could be just seen as direction to staff, then. Yeah.

4287
07:23:56,795 --> 07:24:00,785
I've tabled the motion. You've tabled the motion? You're going

4288
07:24:00,785 --> 07:24:04,105
to refer it, but I think we should hear from

4289
07:24:04,105 --> 07:24:07,265
the speaker. So, councilor. Hunich. So I think that. Thank

4290
07:24:07,265 --> 07:24:10,505
you, chair. I think the delegations made it. Clear today

4291
07:24:10,505 --> 07:24:14,701
that. The faster we can provide accurate information to them,

4292
07:24:14,701 --> 07:24:19,393
the more. We can quell the long term negative impacts

4293
07:24:19,393 --> 07:24:23,769
of this hopefully short term crisis. That being said, though,

4294
07:24:23,769 --> 07:24:29,809
I'm not really interested in providing further tentative information or

4295
07:24:29,809 --> 07:24:35,581
information that's not vetted, as Matthew has said. Yeah. Dorothy,

4296
07:24:35,581 --> 07:24:37,781
if you want to do this direction to staff, if

4297
07:24:37,781 --> 07:24:43,814
you think that's helpful. But. I would be concerned about

4298
07:24:43,814 --> 07:24:49,455
providing unvetted information that yet requires further clarity. Okay, well,

4299
07:24:49,455 --> 07:24:52,615
yeah, we're going to go through the speakers list. Councilor

4300
07:24:52,615 --> 07:24:59,665
Foxton. I'm leaning towards doing it in three phases. The

4301
07:24:59,665 --> 07:25:01,425
first one being the information we have. Now that we

4302
07:25:01,425 --> 07:25:04,025
get it out there, that it's. Very clear and very

4303
07:25:04,025 --> 07:25:07,065
focused. And then we also mentioned that part two will

4304
07:25:07,065 --> 07:25:12,385
be coming and the timeline after Amy's talked to whatever

4305
07:25:12,385 --> 07:25:14,185
she's doing in the second part, and. Then the third

4306
07:25:14,185 --> 07:25:17,968
part was the province and the funding, right? And we

4307
07:25:17,968 --> 07:25:20,968
do them in three phases, because if we wait too

4308
07:25:20,968 --> 07:25:26,954
long, It only exasperates the frustration that's out there. But

4309
07:25:26,954 --> 07:25:29,954
if we can give them a piece now. A piece.

4310
07:25:29,954 --> 07:25:32,434
As we get it, they feel more like they're in.

4311
07:25:32,434 --> 07:25:40,222
Partnership with us. Okay. Thank you, Chair Redmond. Thank you.

4312
07:25:40,222 --> 07:25:43,582
Chair. James. I guess through you to Amy, that the

4313
07:25:43,582 --> 07:25:46,302
fear that I have, I have. To say, Councilor McKab,

4314
07:25:46,302 --> 07:25:49,342
I really do appreciate the fact that you were contemplating

4315
07:25:49,342 --> 07:25:53,450
where this should be direction to staff. I've said this

4316
07:25:53,450 --> 07:25:57,370
a few times. It's iterative, and I wonder the downside.

4317
07:25:57,370 --> 07:26:01,354
Of putting forward a preliminary list that. May in three

4318
07:26:01,354 --> 07:26:05,274
weeks change. I don't think there's anybody that didn't. Hear

4319
07:26:05,274 --> 07:26:07,194
about this issue and go, oh, my goodness. Well, how

4320
07:26:07,194 --> 07:26:09,114
do we fix it? And I think that's what we

4321
07:26:09,114 --> 07:26:11,074
heard from delegations, but I don't. Amy, do you want.

4322
07:26:11,074 --> 07:26:14,334
To talk about. Sort of if this would be a

4323
07:26:14,334 --> 07:26:19,117
useful tool or maybe. Cause more angst than help, so

4324
07:26:19,117 --> 07:26:21,437
through the chair. I appreciate the need for the information.

4325
07:26:22,854 --> 07:26:25,334
I also think it may be an incomplete list because

4326
07:26:25,334 --> 07:26:29,294
before we even have the industry experts or technical leads

4327
07:26:29,294 --> 07:26:32,574
from the area. Municipalities weigh in. We may have additional

4328
07:26:32,574 --> 07:26:36,374
solutions that need to be vetted. I would also say

4329
07:26:36,374 --> 07:26:40,342
some of these solutions that. Are tentatively on our list,

4330
07:26:40,342 --> 07:26:43,222
have not fully been through a risk assessment. Right. So

4331
07:26:43,222 --> 07:26:46,782
I know we've talked about some of the options around

4332
07:26:46,782 --> 07:26:49,982
moving water from Middleton service area to the Mannheim service

4333
07:26:49,982 --> 07:26:53,342
areas. There are risks associated with that, so the risk

4334
07:26:53,342 --> 07:26:56,502
piece will have to be evaluated as well, so I

4335
07:26:56,502 --> 07:26:59,502
would hate to put out a list that thinks. Everyone

4336
07:26:59,502 --> 07:27:01,862
thinks that we've solved the issue with a list, and

4337
07:27:01,862 --> 07:27:05,262
then some of those may not technically be possible moving

4338
07:27:05,262 --> 07:27:07,902
forward. So it's just a caution that if we do

4339
07:27:07,902 --> 07:27:11,262
provide a preliminary list. That's all it is right now.

4340
07:27:11,262 --> 07:27:14,870
It's not. A vetted list right now, and it may

4341
07:27:14,870 --> 07:27:17,150
not be a complete list, and it will be. A

4342
07:27:17,150 --> 07:27:21,833
lot of tentative information. Like Mitchi said, like a range

4343
07:27:21,833 --> 07:27:27,404
of timelines, a range of. Financial costs. Can I just

4344
07:27:27,404 --> 07:27:31,021
ask if. The direction was or if this motion goes

4345
07:27:31,021 --> 07:27:33,541
and it was as soon as possible, what would that

4346
07:27:33,541 --> 07:27:37,166
date look like to you? Through the chair. We have

4347
07:27:37,166 --> 07:27:40,006
an in person meeting with the ministry the environment on

4348
07:27:40,006 --> 07:27:43,086
the 27th. We tried to push for sooner. We've had

4349
07:27:43,086 --> 07:27:46,006
a couple of phone calls and meetings with them. And

4350
07:27:46,006 --> 07:27:48,886
they've said they're supportive of that, but that's the soonest

4351
07:27:48,886 --> 07:27:51,966
they could get their EA and permission staff all in

4352
07:27:51,966 --> 07:27:54,526
one room at one time. So we are meeting with

4353
07:27:54,526 --> 07:27:57,837
them on the 27. Th, and I think we're creating

4354
07:27:57,837 --> 07:28:01,877
that list of potential asks based on projects. So in

4355
07:28:01,877 --> 07:28:05,157
the meantime, we're still proceeding with our technical working groups

4356
07:28:05,157 --> 07:28:10,330
and trying to get more of that information. Solid. Thank

4357
07:28:10,330 --> 07:28:13,970
you. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Verbanovic. Thank you very much.

4358
07:28:13,970 --> 07:28:19,090
And I want to thank. Council mccabe. And the others

4359
07:28:19,090 --> 07:28:21,810
for bringing a variety of motions forward because they think

4360
07:28:21,810 --> 07:28:25,745
it is important, I think we heard this from. The

4361
07:28:25,745 --> 07:28:30,472
delegations today. It is important that. Ultimately, the buck stops

4362
07:28:30,472 --> 07:28:35,344
with council. And it is important, I believe, that. The

4363
07:28:35,344 --> 07:28:38,064
community is looking to see leadership from around this horseshoe

4364
07:28:38,064 --> 07:28:41,504
on these issues and provide direction and clarity in terms

4365
07:28:41,504 --> 07:28:43,984
of the work that's being done and how we're moving

4366
07:28:43,984 --> 07:28:47,784
forward. In a variety of ways to deal with it.

4367
07:28:47,784 --> 07:28:51,794
I know we have a practice. Of giving direction to

4368
07:28:51,794 --> 07:28:55,274
staff here, but that is not a decision of counsel.

4369
07:28:55,274 --> 07:28:58,794
If there's no vote associated with it. It is simply.

4370
07:29:01,014 --> 07:29:03,014
An informal understanding we have in terms of how we

4371
07:29:03,014 --> 07:29:06,614
operate. I think considering the significance of this issue, the

4372
07:29:06,614 --> 07:29:11,484
fact that it has the ability to influence. Tens, if

4373
07:29:11,484 --> 07:29:14,084
not hundreds of millions of dollars of municipal and regional

4374
07:29:14,084 --> 07:29:18,804
budgets. Hundreds, if not billions of dollars in development and

4375
07:29:18,804 --> 07:29:21,084
thousands of jobs. I think it is important that we

4376
07:29:21,084 --> 07:29:24,444
do things with motions. From council and give that direction

4377
07:29:24,444 --> 07:29:28,476
that way. At the end of that. Okay. Trying to

4378
07:29:28,476 --> 07:29:32,276
summarize in my head. Okay, so we have no further

4379
07:29:32,276 --> 07:29:39,803
speakers on this. Okay, Councilor Wolf, go ahead. Through you,

4380
07:29:39,803 --> 07:29:41,723
madam Chair. I was either going to suggest end of

4381
07:29:41,723 --> 07:29:50,060
February or as soon as possible. As an amendment to

4382
07:29:50,060 --> 07:29:55,860
this motion. Rather than. I think, frankly, that we have

4383
07:29:55,860 --> 07:29:58,540
a choice of defeating it if you want it to

4384
07:29:58,540 --> 07:30:03,425
be emotion. Or amending it, because the end of January.

4385
07:30:04,978 --> 07:30:07,538
Is too close. Okay. Councilor Wilf, are you proposing an

4386
07:30:07,538 --> 07:30:12,218
amendment to this? I propose an amendment. Would end of

4387
07:30:12,218 --> 07:30:16,677
February. Okay? They're shaking their heads yes. So I would

4388
07:30:16,677 --> 07:30:22,317
say end of February. For this motion. Okay, so is

4389
07:30:22,317 --> 07:30:24,397
there a second or. For this amendment, and by end

4390
07:30:24,397 --> 07:30:29,431
of February. You're speaking potentially, like the council meeting. Right

4391
07:30:29,431 --> 07:30:32,071
in February. Okay, I will. Just time and place to

4392
07:30:32,071 --> 07:30:36,746
be specific. So that council meeting in. February. There's second

4393
07:30:36,746 --> 07:30:39,746
or for that. Okay, so right now then, we are

4394
07:30:39,746 --> 07:30:43,291
going to vote on the amendment. And then I speak

4395
07:30:43,291 --> 07:30:49,149
to the amendment. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I would just say

4396
07:30:49,149 --> 07:30:55,101
two things. One. There's the reserve. That in one of

4397
07:30:55,101 --> 07:30:58,421
the reports, staff indicated you'll be able to use some

4398
07:30:58,421 --> 07:31:00,941
of that. To hire consultants and things like that, or

4399
07:31:00,941 --> 07:31:03,661
bring on contract staff so that we do have the

4400
07:31:03,661 --> 07:31:10,480
capacity. To add more staff. So that's there in terms

4401
07:31:10,480 --> 07:31:13,600
of the workload. And the other piece that gives me

4402
07:31:13,600 --> 07:31:17,600
greater comfort with my request to have this preliminary list.

4403
07:31:20,273 --> 07:31:22,753
And completely understand. It's preliminary and it can be caveats

4404
07:31:22,753 --> 07:31:27,223
can be put in place. That I think reinforces the

4405
07:31:27,223 --> 07:31:29,183
need for it at the end of January is just

4406
07:31:29,183 --> 07:31:31,463
what staff just indicated that they're going to have that

4407
07:31:31,463 --> 07:31:34,263
list for the January 27 meeting. So if it's going

4408
07:31:34,263 --> 07:31:39,324
to go to the meeting with whomever it is. At

4409
07:31:39,324 --> 07:31:42,084
the province, and you have that preliminary list, and I

4410
07:31:42,084 --> 07:31:45,164
think that that would be appropriate to then share it.

4411
07:31:45,164 --> 07:31:51,917
Certainly. With us. And the community, so. I would just

4412
07:31:51,917 --> 07:31:56,037
request that you turn down the February date and stick

4413
07:31:56,037 --> 07:32:00,044
with the end of January. Date. Thank you. We're going

4414
07:32:00,044 --> 07:32:03,564
to go in the queue. Okay, Councilor Wolf, since it's

4415
07:32:03,564 --> 07:32:08,736
your amendment. I just like a point of clarification from

4416
07:32:08,736 --> 07:32:12,256
staff, because staff seemed to think end of January wasn't

4417
07:32:12,256 --> 07:32:17,620
okay. So. Are you saying that end of January is

4418
07:32:17,620 --> 07:32:21,383
okay as opposed to end of February? So through the

4419
07:32:21,383 --> 07:32:25,251
chair. We have the tentative list that we have now.

4420
07:32:26,603 --> 07:32:28,643
We have not had the technical working group yet. The

4421
07:32:28,643 --> 07:32:32,523
first workshop with our area municipalities and our industry leaders,

4422
07:32:32,523 --> 07:32:36,304
so more could be. Added after the fact. I think

4423
07:32:36,304 --> 07:32:38,744
I'd have to ask crew when the first workshop is

4424
07:32:38,744 --> 07:32:40,784
we are meeting with them this week just to kick

4425
07:32:40,784 --> 07:32:42,864
it off, but we're actually holding a workshop at the

4426
07:32:42,864 --> 07:32:45,464
end of January, so I do think end of January

4427
07:32:45,464 --> 07:32:48,384
is tight. I also know, I will likely not get

4428
07:32:48,384 --> 07:32:51,864
a response from the ministry same day that we're meeting.

4429
07:32:51,864 --> 07:32:54,664
With them or even the day after, so I'm just.

4430
07:32:55,000 --> 07:32:58,143
Saying? We may not understand the timelines fully. We still

4431
07:32:58,143 --> 07:33:00,943
can give estimates, but that's likely. The best it will

4432
07:33:00,943 --> 07:33:04,308
be as an estimate by the end of January. Thank

4433
07:33:04,308 --> 07:33:09,664
you. Councilor salon. Thank you. Through you chair just along

4434
07:33:09,664 --> 07:33:16,173
the same lines as Councilor McCabe. I think the information

4435
07:33:16,173 --> 07:33:18,213
is going to be collected that's going to be provided

4436
07:33:18,213 --> 07:33:22,517
to the province and that. It's clearly articulated. I'm certainly

4437
07:33:22,517 --> 07:33:25,477
understanding from what you're saying it's. Preliminary. There are going

4438
07:33:25,477 --> 07:33:30,117
to be other things over time feeding into this list,

4439
07:33:30,117 --> 07:33:32,917
in my opinion. That's totally acceptable. I think it's just

4440
07:33:32,917 --> 07:33:35,797
getting something, and I think that with our comms team.

4441
07:33:35,797 --> 07:33:38,077
We can make that very clear and articulated that this

4442
07:33:38,077 --> 07:33:41,171
is preliminary. It has caveats. We're. Wait. Waiting on items

4443
07:33:41,171 --> 07:33:45,211
x, y, z, but I would rather see information sooner

4444
07:33:45,211 --> 07:33:49,291
rather than later. So I won't be supporting councilor Wilson.

4445
07:33:50,956 --> 07:33:55,181
Councilor Foxton. Thank you. And to you, chair. The dates

4446
07:33:55,181 --> 07:33:58,101
are really close because we're talking the last week of

4447
07:33:58,101 --> 07:34:02,260
January. To provide it. And the committee day is February

4448
07:34:02,260 --> 07:34:05,300
10, so that would give the time to meet. With

4449
07:34:05,300 --> 07:34:07,860
the promise and give even and with the committee that

4450
07:34:07,860 --> 07:34:10,980
she's going to. And we would get a more complete

4451
07:34:10,980 --> 07:34:15,888
picture rather than sending it out two weeks earlier. With

4452
07:34:15,888 --> 07:34:17,848
not all the picture, and then two weeks later, we've

4453
07:34:17,848 --> 07:34:21,648
got the almost full picture. Or a lot more information.

4454
07:34:21,648 --> 07:34:23,328
I think we could afford to wait the two weeks.

4455
07:34:24,996 --> 07:34:30,060
Because committee is February 10. It's for the council meeting

4456
07:34:30,060 --> 07:34:32,900
in February. I think that's around February 24 or. 25th

4457
07:34:32,900 --> 07:34:38,291
around there. But could we not bring it back to

4458
07:34:38,291 --> 07:34:47,369
committee on the 10th? That's not the motion. Yeah. It's

4459
07:34:47,369 --> 07:34:50,449
either going to be January, as per the original motion,

4460
07:34:50,449 --> 07:34:55,925
or February if the amendment goes through. Then we're kind

4461
07:34:55,925 --> 07:35:00,104
of getting in the weeds with either the 10th. We'll

4462
07:35:00,104 --> 07:35:05,176
stick to this for clarity. And again, because it's a

4463
07:35:05,176 --> 07:35:09,976
motion presented by councilor McCabe and amended by Councilor Wolf.

4464
07:35:12,239 --> 07:35:17,044
We'll go with that there first. And if. It fails,

4465
07:35:17,044 --> 07:35:21,980
we'll bring it back up for consideration. Councilor Bennevic. Thank

4466
07:35:21,980 --> 07:35:23,900
you very much. And the question I'm going to ask

4467
07:35:23,900 --> 07:35:26,780
Ms. Shaw is actually, I think, relevant to all of

4468
07:35:26,780 --> 07:35:30,060
these because there is obviously some work that's associated with

4469
07:35:30,060 --> 07:35:34,347
all of these and. Some of this. I'm cognizant that

4470
07:35:34,347 --> 07:35:38,027
some of this can be done and. Best done internally,

4471
07:35:38,027 --> 07:35:40,413
but. There's probably work either that you're doing or something

4472
07:35:40,413 --> 07:35:43,133
that's going to be talked about today that maybe you

4473
07:35:43,133 --> 07:35:46,013
need some additional resources. And so my question to you

4474
07:35:46,013 --> 07:35:52,581
is. Do you need this council? To authorize. Additional resources

4475
07:35:52,581 --> 07:35:58,989
either in terms of. Temporary staff, potentially, or contract partners

4476
07:35:58,989 --> 07:36:02,709
that can help you deal with very complex and difficult

4477
07:36:02,709 --> 07:36:06,196
but critical issue to the community. Through the chair. I

4478
07:36:06,196 --> 07:36:08,156
can speak to part of that and maybe I'll defer.

4479
07:36:09,660 --> 07:36:16,640
To CEO getsky or commissioner kanopka. We have started to

4480
07:36:16,640 --> 07:36:20,600
hire some external consultants to assist with some of these

4481
07:36:20,600 --> 07:36:23,080
asks. I think that was part of the report to

4482
07:36:23,080 --> 07:36:26,063
lay out. That we do have a series of people.

4483
07:36:27,365 --> 07:36:29,085
Like we were hiring a consultant to help us with

4484
07:36:29,085 --> 07:36:33,281
the technical working group to help facilitate that. It is

4485
07:36:33,281 --> 07:36:35,641
a consultant that's worked on our water supply strategy, so

4486
07:36:35,641 --> 07:36:38,521
it makes sense we also are going to have some

4487
07:36:38,521 --> 07:36:41,281
industry experts come in to assist with some of the

4488
07:36:41,281 --> 07:36:44,641
solution pieces. And moving those forward at a quicker pace.

4489
07:36:44,641 --> 07:36:48,281
So the consultant piece. Absolutely. We already have some of

4490
07:36:48,281 --> 07:36:52,546
that underway. With hiring some of those consultants, and then,

4491
07:36:52,546 --> 07:36:54,610
I don't know. If we want to speak to the

4492
07:36:54,610 --> 07:36:58,599
other piece. Through you chair so high level, I think.

4493
07:37:01,093 --> 07:37:05,145
Right now, we are evaluating. What the resource needs will

4494
07:37:05,145 --> 07:37:08,468
be because. You don't want to make a joke on

4495
07:37:08,468 --> 07:37:11,388
this, but the team has zero operational resilience. Here. Negative

4496
07:37:11,388 --> 07:37:14,628
operational resiliency in terms of the amount of work that's

4497
07:37:14,628 --> 07:37:18,101
being produced right now. Because we still have to continue

4498
07:37:18,101 --> 07:37:23,797
to run the system. While we're fixing it. So we've

4499
07:37:23,797 --> 07:37:26,037
started with a few consultants to fill in some gaps,

4500
07:37:26,037 --> 07:37:30,157
but there are definitely some other needs. And today I

4501
07:37:30,157 --> 07:37:33,357
know Kate is helping to assess what can be done

4502
07:37:33,357 --> 07:37:36,437
through consulting. What can be done to temporary positions. So

4503
07:37:36,437 --> 07:37:39,797
we're doing that evaluation right now. Some of it might

4504
07:37:39,797 --> 07:37:42,748
be influenced by the timeline. On the capital side, for

4505
07:37:42,748 --> 07:37:45,988
example, depending on what we're able to accelerate or not,

4506
07:37:45,988 --> 07:37:49,068
because we don't want the staffing piece on capital projects

4507
07:37:49,068 --> 07:37:52,174
to be. The bottleneck, but that will depend a little

4508
07:37:52,174 --> 07:37:54,574
bit on how quickly we can fast track some of

4509
07:37:54,574 --> 07:37:58,054
the capital projects, but that's something where we can definitely

4510
07:37:58,054 --> 07:38:00,894
bring back to council. Well, I guess. What I would

4511
07:38:00,894 --> 07:38:05,609
only ask then is that. You're absolutely right, Mr. Getsky.

4512
07:38:05,609 --> 07:38:11,755
That should not be. The bottleneck. And I think. Two

4513
07:38:11,755 --> 07:38:16,373
very different situations. One was a public health situation. This

4514
07:38:16,373 --> 07:38:19,253
is obviously a significant issue in terms of our infrastructure

4515
07:38:19,253 --> 07:38:22,013
and the provision of water, and so on, but there

4516
07:38:22,013 --> 07:38:26,493
was a mode of operating that we operated in using.

4517
07:38:27,660 --> 07:38:36,065
A certain kind of. Internal management structure event. Incident management

4518
07:38:36,065 --> 07:38:40,345
approach to this, and I would encourage management to be

4519
07:38:40,345 --> 07:38:44,112
taking that same approach on this. Issue. And coming to

4520
07:38:44,112 --> 07:38:47,579
council and quite frankly, I'm of the view we need

4521
07:38:47,579 --> 07:38:50,379
to have additional meetings. I would hope that staff would

4522
07:38:50,379 --> 07:38:53,099
go to the chair and ask that those meetings be

4523
07:38:53,099 --> 07:38:58,370
called. Because this is too important for the community and

4524
07:38:58,370 --> 07:39:01,996
the messaging that's going out there. In terms of being

4525
07:39:01,996 --> 07:39:05,097
open for business. In the future of our community in

4526
07:39:05,097 --> 07:39:07,457
the short and long term, that I'd like us. To

4527
07:39:07,457 --> 07:39:10,257
take a similar approach as we did in managing that

4528
07:39:10,257 --> 07:39:14,659
other critical situation five years ago. Okay, so with that,

4529
07:39:14,659 --> 07:39:17,939
I do have a question of clarification with staff, and

4530
07:39:17,939 --> 07:39:25,715
it's. Just around the notion of having a list. That's

4531
07:39:25,715 --> 07:39:29,538
made public, and I am all for transparency. But I'm

4532
07:39:29,538 --> 07:39:33,852
also conscious of. Have we had, as the governing body

4533
07:39:33,852 --> 07:39:35,972
been able to take a look at that list ahead

4534
07:39:35,972 --> 07:39:38,372
of time, and I would ask if it would be

4535
07:39:38,372 --> 07:39:41,962
appropriate for that list to come back to us. In

4536
07:39:41,962 --> 07:39:44,682
a closed capacity for us as the governing body to

4537
07:39:44,682 --> 07:39:47,122
review it, because I think if things are made public,

4538
07:39:47,122 --> 07:39:49,602
the public seeing it before us, and we're the governing

4539
07:39:49,602 --> 07:39:52,202
people are going to come to us for answers, so

4540
07:39:52,202 --> 07:39:56,724
just some thoughts on that. In terms of this coming

4541
07:39:56,724 --> 07:40:01,751
to council ahead of time. So through the chair. And

4542
07:40:01,751 --> 07:40:04,271
when we provide the list, it will be in no

4543
07:40:04,271 --> 07:40:06,511
particular order. I mean, that is part of the process

4544
07:40:06,511 --> 07:40:09,471
we need to do is to prioritize these and part

4545
07:40:09,471 --> 07:40:12,111
of the answer of that is how quickly we can

4546
07:40:12,111 --> 07:40:15,951
expedite them. So if we cannot get an expedited process.

4547
07:40:19,984 --> 07:40:23,584
Then that may not be one of the projects we

4548
07:40:23,584 --> 07:40:26,704
proceed with right off the bat. So I also have

4549
07:40:26,704 --> 07:40:29,304
a bit of concern about it, like a list of

4550
07:40:29,304 --> 07:40:32,224
projects going out only from the sense that we want

4551
07:40:32,224 --> 07:40:35,064
to make risk based decisions not based on where they're

4552
07:40:35,064 --> 07:40:40,018
geographically located. And how that may assist. With. Certain projects

4553
07:40:40,018 --> 07:40:42,868
moving forward. So we want to make the best decisions

4554
07:40:42,868 --> 07:40:46,548
for all of the residents of the region of Waterloo.

4555
07:40:47,717 --> 07:40:51,477
Holistically. Okay. So with that, I'd be more comfortable. I'm

4556
07:40:51,477 --> 07:40:55,117
looking to. The main motion mover here that we have

4557
07:40:55,117 --> 07:40:58,148
this list. We should be privy to this list ahead

4558
07:40:58,148 --> 07:41:02,050
of time for risk factors. And I know Councilor McKabee

4559
07:41:02,050 --> 07:41:07,852
vindicated to make it publicly available. But again, If there

4560
07:41:07,852 --> 07:41:10,732
is avenue to say this comes to us as the

4561
07:41:10,732 --> 07:41:15,310
governing body ahead of time for us to be. No,

4562
07:41:15,310 --> 07:41:16,950
because as we know, when things go out there in

4563
07:41:16,950 --> 07:41:21,120
the public, The stories, the narratives, all of that takes

4564
07:41:21,120 --> 07:41:24,643
the shape of its own. Unfortunately, sometimes. Do you want

4565
07:41:24,643 --> 07:41:27,203
me to respond to that? Please do. We're talking about

4566
07:41:27,203 --> 07:41:33,578
the amendment. I'm amending the motion. Oh, my gosh. Well.

4567
07:41:35,098 --> 07:41:39,032
I'm just cognizant that. There's an amendment to my motion

4568
07:41:39,032 --> 07:41:41,318
on the floor, so. I just didn't know that this

4569
07:41:41,318 --> 07:41:43,078
would be the time for me to respond to you.

4570
07:41:43,078 --> 07:41:45,438
About that piece. Okay, you know what? I'm going to

4571
07:41:45,438 --> 07:41:54,332
look to the. Amendment after amendment. Counsel. I think. The

4572
07:41:54,332 --> 07:41:56,092
piece about whether or not it comes to council first.

4573
07:41:57,767 --> 07:42:00,967
Generally, we have avenues of making things public that don't

4574
07:42:00,967 --> 07:42:04,167
come to council in terms of coming on an agenda.

4575
07:42:04,167 --> 07:42:08,761
I mean, we're very familiar with that process. Would generally

4576
07:42:08,761 --> 07:42:11,441
be available to the public a week ahead of time,

4577
07:42:11,441 --> 07:42:13,001
but at the same time that council would see it.

4578
07:42:14,591 --> 07:42:18,614
So. This motion specifically just directs staff to make that

4579
07:42:18,614 --> 07:42:22,294
list public. There's no mention of it. Coming to council,

4580
07:42:22,294 --> 07:42:24,374
either as a part of that process or ahead of

4581
07:42:24,374 --> 07:42:29,509
time. I will flag if the desire is to have

4582
07:42:29,509 --> 07:42:34,149
it come on a council agenda that pushes everything. A

4583
07:42:34,149 --> 07:42:37,508
week ahead of time in order to get it. So

4584
07:42:37,508 --> 07:42:41,868
to bring anything for the January council meeting actually makes

4585
07:42:41,868 --> 07:42:45,924
the deadline for staff. The 21st, which is next week.

4586
07:42:47,709 --> 07:42:50,989
So the time crunch pushes up. Just if that's the

4587
07:42:50,989 --> 07:42:52,989
desire, if the desire is to just make it public.

4588
07:42:54,264 --> 07:42:56,904
Then that's an easier process for staff in terms of

4589
07:42:56,904 --> 07:43:06,218
flexibility. Okay. All right. So, Councilor

4590
07:43:06,218 --> 07:43:09,338
Verbanovic, can I just. Oh, sorry. I was going to

4591
07:43:09,338 --> 07:43:12,338
say shouldn't. We vote on Councilor Wolf's motion first? Yeah,

4592
07:43:12,338 --> 07:43:16,394
we're going to vote. On. People adding to the queue.

4593
07:43:16,394 --> 07:43:18,954
So we're going to vote on the amendment for councilor.

4594
07:43:18,954 --> 07:43:28,469
Wolf. Or January 21. Yes.

4595
07:43:29,172 --> 07:43:39,073
As February. 24th. Yes. End of journey

4596
07:43:39,073 --> 07:43:43,233
and yours at the end of January. I was just

4597
07:43:43,233 --> 07:43:49,447
curious. About what? About? There is no council meeting at

4598
07:43:49,447 --> 07:43:57,102
the end of January. It's the 21 January. Okay.

4599
07:44:02,073 --> 07:44:04,753
Councilor Verbanovic, and then we're going to vote on council

4600
07:44:04,753 --> 07:44:11,545
Rolf's amendment. Very quickly, I think. What clerks just indicated

4601
07:44:11,545 --> 07:44:13,785
is true. We do have a meeting at the end

4602
07:44:13,785 --> 07:44:16,865
of the month. If there's stuff to share with us

4603
07:44:16,865 --> 07:44:19,785
to get any guidance, as has been suggested, that can

4604
07:44:19,785 --> 07:44:24,550
happen at the council meeting. And quite frankly, those things

4605
07:44:24,550 --> 07:44:28,070
often get sent to us in the addendum agenda. 36

4606
07:44:28,070 --> 07:44:31,771
hours before. And then there's something coming out of that

4607
07:44:31,771 --> 07:44:35,788
to share publicly. Then that can happen by staff sharing

4608
07:44:35,788 --> 07:44:39,828
it publicly, either email or media release or whatever it

4609
07:44:39,828 --> 07:44:42,428
doesn't need to be part of an agenda. Ten days

4610
07:44:42,428 --> 07:44:49,623
earlier. Okay, chair Redmond. Sorry to prolong this.

4611
07:44:52,029 --> 07:44:55,109
I don't disagree with what councilor Vervanovich has just said.

4612
07:44:55,109 --> 07:44:57,909
I just. Have a concern when I think council should

4613
07:44:57,909 --> 07:45:00,109
see it ahead of time to see it in closed

4614
07:45:00,109 --> 07:45:02,349
I don't know that the justification would be there, and

4615
07:45:02,349 --> 07:45:03,669
that was the only thing I was going to flag.

4616
07:45:06,066 --> 07:45:07,786
Okay, so we are going to vote on the amendment

4617
07:45:07,786 --> 07:45:13,122
for Councilor Wolf. And that is to change the date

4618
07:45:13,122 --> 07:45:18,017
from the end of January to February. Do we have

4619
07:45:18,017 --> 07:45:22,437
the council meeting date? 24th. I think that should be

4620
07:45:22,437 --> 07:45:25,749
in there. 25th, 2026.

4621
07:46:36,463 --> 07:46:38,623
So that is defeated. So we will now move on

4622
07:46:38,623 --> 07:46:41,743
to the main motion, the original motion for end of

4623
07:46:41,743 --> 07:46:51,721
January. Councilor mccabe. This may be an amendment

4624
07:46:51,721 --> 07:46:55,628
or we're referring to stuff. You think? Get direction from

4625
07:46:55,628 --> 07:47:02,006
clerks on this. But that council is provided with. The

4626
07:47:02,006 --> 07:47:05,975
list. I don't know, 48 hours before. It is released

4627
07:47:05,975 --> 07:47:07,895
to the public. And as chair Redmond said, we don't

4628
07:47:07,895 --> 07:47:10,775
necessarily need to go and close, but as the governing

4629
07:47:10,775 --> 07:47:12,695
body, I think we should have advanced notice of this.

4630
07:47:12,695 --> 07:47:17,077
List. Yeah, I see that as friendly. Thank you. So

4631
07:47:17,077 --> 07:47:25,659
we're voting on the main motion. If the main motion

4632
07:47:25,659 --> 07:47:28,099
is supported, we will get it. 48 hours.

4633
07:48:26,117 --> 07:48:33,945
That is carried, okay? Motion number two. Our way through

4634
07:48:33,945 --> 07:48:38,907
this. This is good team building exercises. Okay, what is

4635
07:48:38,907 --> 07:48:45,096
the next motion? Okay. Councilor McCabe, your second motion. Yeah.

4636
07:48:45,096 --> 07:48:47,896
Thank you very much again, I think this is. Pretty.

4637
07:48:47,896 --> 07:48:50,856
Do you want me to read the bottom part for

4638
07:48:50,856 --> 07:48:55,576
councilor hunch? Okay, for everyone's. Sake. Yeah. Therefore, be it

4639
07:48:55,576 --> 07:49:01,777
resolved that staff are directed. Sorry, I'm reading off the

4640
07:49:01,777 --> 07:49:04,537
screen. Okay. Therefore, be it resolved that staff are directed

4641
07:49:04,537 --> 07:49:07,457
to. Report back by the end of Q 1 June

4642
07:49:07,457 --> 07:49:13,457
2026 with water conservation policy options for the sustainability, infrastructure

4643
07:49:13,457 --> 07:49:18,817
and development committees and regional council's consideration and further that

4644
07:49:18,817 --> 07:49:22,489
input from relevant community partners. Including but not limited to

4645
07:49:22,489 --> 07:49:27,409
reap green solutions sustainable Waterloo Region Bill Durban the Waterloo

4646
07:49:27,409 --> 07:49:31,849
Region Home Builders association, the Grand River Conservation Authority, Grand

4647
07:49:31,849 --> 07:49:36,289
river environmental network and area municipalities is sought and included

4648
07:49:36,289 --> 07:49:40,529
in the water conservation policy options proposed. I'm happy to

4649
07:49:40,529 --> 07:49:44,124
second. This motion. Oh, did I say Q one? Sorry,

4650
07:49:44,124 --> 07:49:47,164
I mispoke. Q two. It does say Q two. Sorry.

4651
07:49:47,164 --> 07:49:51,244
I misspoke. Okay, so, Councilor Hunich, you are seconding the

4652
07:49:51,244 --> 07:49:54,524
motion? So it is on the floor. Councilor McCabe, do

4653
07:49:54,524 --> 07:49:56,204
you want to speak to your motion? Now and then

4654
07:49:56,204 --> 07:50:01,466
I'll go through the speakers list. Sure. I mean, we

4655
07:50:01,466 --> 07:50:05,506
did hear quite a bit about the need for conservation

4656
07:50:05,506 --> 07:50:09,586
options from the various delegations this morning as well, but

4657
07:50:09,586 --> 07:50:13,106
I think this goes hand in hand with this resiliency

4658
07:50:13,106 --> 07:50:16,865
piece that we need. And as I've said before, I'm

4659
07:50:16,865 --> 07:50:20,199
concerned about. The line that we've seen in some reports

4660
07:50:20,199 --> 07:50:23,759
that say water conservation efforts have plateaued. Because there are

4661
07:50:23,759 --> 07:50:26,359
a lot of other options that we could and should

4662
07:50:26,359 --> 07:50:31,772
be pursuing. With particularly some of our large. Water users.

4663
07:50:33,139 --> 07:50:36,899
I think it was, yeah. Joseph Pupalo, first thing that

4664
07:50:36,899 --> 07:50:41,686
today said about. Referencing data centers that use potable water.

4665
07:50:41,686 --> 07:50:46,281
Right, like, probably not a great use. To really start

4666
07:50:46,281 --> 07:50:50,557
looking at options like that that exist now. Technologies, whatever.

4667
07:50:52,307 --> 07:50:54,827
So that we can start to try and get ahead

4668
07:50:54,827 --> 07:50:59,483
of some of the conservation efforts, particularly. As summer starts

4669
07:50:59,483 --> 07:51:04,055
to approach as well. So I'll leave that there. Okay.

4670
07:51:04,055 --> 07:51:06,735
And before we get to a speaker list at Matthew,

4671
07:51:06,735 --> 07:51:09,495
do you want to just provide some weigh in on

4672
07:51:09,495 --> 07:51:15,426
this request? Motion. Just a bit of a capacity question.

4673
07:51:17,582 --> 07:51:21,902
We don't have the staff capacity to do this, so

4674
07:51:21,902 --> 07:51:24,222
we will have to get some. Consultant support. I don't

4675
07:51:24,222 --> 07:51:25,782
know if. Amy, if you can, if you want to

4676
07:51:25,782 --> 07:51:28,462
specify anything. I know the water efficiency team is well

4677
07:51:28,462 --> 07:51:31,822
aware of the big water users, but for broader water

4678
07:51:31,822 --> 07:51:34,742
conservation. We will need external support to be able to

4679
07:51:34,742 --> 07:51:38,538
bring something back. And through the chair. I also had

4680
07:51:38,538 --> 07:51:40,938
intentions to have this as part of the technical working

4681
07:51:40,938 --> 07:51:44,138
group. Because I do know that Lee McDermott has been

4682
07:51:44,138 --> 07:51:47,618
working on the one water supply strategy and he has

4683
07:51:47,618 --> 07:51:49,938
reached out for volunteers from the region, so there's a

4684
07:51:49,938 --> 07:51:52,138
lot of different options. That we want to talk about

4685
07:51:52,138 --> 07:51:54,978
as part of the technical working group as well, because

4686
07:51:54,978 --> 07:51:58,242
I think it's a combined. Effort between the area municipalities

4687
07:51:58,242 --> 07:52:02,428
and the region. We do have the conservation bylaw in

4688
07:52:02,428 --> 07:52:06,201
the region in existence. It is in place every may

4689
07:52:06,201 --> 07:52:09,401
till September. So that will continue. But again, the point.

4690
07:52:10,871 --> 07:52:13,511
To make is that that only deals with outdoor watering.

4691
07:52:13,511 --> 07:52:18,434
We don't have a bylaw. That currently addresses. Industrial or

4692
07:52:18,434 --> 07:52:25,025
residential conservation efforts. Like CAO Getsky said, we would just

4693
07:52:25,025 --> 07:52:27,985
have to probably retain a consultant to be able to

4694
07:52:27,985 --> 07:52:31,877
assist us with that because. The select technical staff we

4695
07:52:31,877 --> 07:52:33,677
do have are going to be going full out on

4696
07:52:33,677 --> 07:52:37,877
these solutions and these technical working groups. Thank you. Thanks

4697
07:52:37,877 --> 07:52:42,117
for that additional clarification. I think, as we said, in

4698
07:52:42,117 --> 07:52:47,581
the discussion discussing the previous motion. Yeah. We do understand

4699
07:52:47,581 --> 07:52:50,701
that you're building the plane and flying it as the

4700
07:52:50,701 --> 07:52:54,162
well worn analogy. Goes. And I do want to be

4701
07:52:54,162 --> 07:53:01,476
clear that. To anyone listening that. We're not saying we're

4702
07:53:01,476 --> 07:53:05,658
putting in conservation methods right now, tomorrow. That's not what

4703
07:53:05,658 --> 07:53:08,418
we're talking about. We're talking about having options for us

4704
07:53:08,418 --> 07:53:16,096
to consider. From a very large scale. To maybe very

4705
07:53:16,096 --> 07:53:19,696
much smaller scales. So nothing is being decided at this

4706
07:53:19,696 --> 07:53:21,976
point. This is just for staff to come back with

4707
07:53:21,976 --> 07:53:27,998
some options. Thank you. Thank you, Councilor McCabe and Amy.

4708
07:53:27,998 --> 07:53:30,278
Councilor Foxton, I thank you, and through your chair. I

4709
07:53:30,278 --> 07:53:33,118
think this is really good. The one point I would

4710
07:53:33,118 --> 07:53:37,570
ask that. It says further that input from relevant community

4711
07:53:37,570 --> 07:53:41,130
partners. I think I'd like the input in writing so

4712
07:53:41,130 --> 07:53:44,010
that we would have it to look back and create.

4713
07:53:44,010 --> 07:53:46,370
Look at what they say rather. Than just come in

4714
07:53:46,370 --> 07:53:48,810
and ask, trying to write and figure out, because it

4715
07:53:48,810 --> 07:53:51,490
would be something we could draw back on, but I

4716
07:53:51,490 --> 07:53:53,730
think it's excellent. And I think telling the people that.

4717
07:53:55,663 --> 07:53:58,343
We wanted to conserve anyways, regardless of whether we were

4718
07:53:58,343 --> 07:54:01,223
in this situation or not. So I think this is

4719
07:54:01,223 --> 07:54:04,183
a great piece of work. As long as I don't

4720
07:54:04,183 --> 07:54:07,448
want them to. Come and speak. I want. Just to

4721
07:54:07,448 --> 07:54:13,752
speak to. That. The input wouldn't be as delegates. This

4722
07:54:13,752 --> 07:54:18,512
would be as various groups and other appropriate partners. Working.

4723
07:54:19,919 --> 07:54:24,419
At one of the tables. Councilor Hunich. Thank you, chair.

4724
07:54:24,419 --> 07:54:27,899
James. For me, this is a critical piece of demonstrating.

4725
07:54:27,899 --> 07:54:34,369
Our collaborative. And good faith toward our industry partners, et

4726
07:54:34,369 --> 07:54:38,409
cetera. And as councillor Verbanovic has noted, if you need

4727
07:54:38,409 --> 07:54:44,313
us to authorize. Funds for temporary staff or permanent staff

4728
07:54:44,313 --> 07:54:48,033
or whatever the case may be. To solve this issue,

4729
07:54:48,033 --> 07:54:51,424
we can do that. So if that's what it requires,

4730
07:54:51,424 --> 07:54:55,334
then that's what it requires. Okay, I see no further

4731
07:54:55,334 --> 07:55:04,474
speakers. Councilor Foxton just really quickly. I want to invest

4732
07:55:04,474 --> 07:55:07,474
in fixing this, but I do want us to be

4733
07:55:07,474 --> 07:55:12,470
due diligence. We just went through a budget process. So

4734
07:55:12,470 --> 07:55:15,510
let's not just say, let's spend money right, left and

4735
07:55:15,510 --> 07:55:17,870
center. Let's. Look at what we need and do it

4736
07:55:17,870 --> 07:55:24,331
methodically. Thank you. Excellent. Okay. Councilor McCabe, thank you for

4737
07:55:24,331 --> 07:55:27,331
bringing this motion forward. I will say that I support

4738
07:55:27,331 --> 07:55:31,390
it. I think this is a workable motion. It shows.

4739
07:55:31,941 --> 07:55:36,065
The need to emphasize collaboration and working together. In a

4740
07:55:36,065 --> 07:55:39,865
solutions based approach that can come from clearly our experts,

4741
07:55:39,865 --> 07:55:42,745
but also those that are in the community as well.

4742
07:55:43,987 --> 07:55:45,787
And look at it as kind of modeling the way,

4743
07:55:45,787 --> 07:55:48,187
because we don't want to ever get in this situation

4744
07:55:48,187 --> 07:55:51,347
again. But if we do, we're creating the framework for

4745
07:55:51,347 --> 07:55:55,513
how we move forward. And maybe other municipalities who may

4746
07:55:55,513 --> 07:55:59,073
be in a situation similar. So with that, we've got

4747
07:55:59,073 --> 07:56:02,539
to move her in a seconder and. I will call

4748
07:56:02,539 --> 07:56:03,979
you on to vote and escribe.

4749
07:56:22,003 --> 07:56:27,894
Okay, so that is Carrie. That motion passes, and. Okay,

4750
07:56:27,894 --> 07:56:32,827
we're on to motion number three. Thank you. Thank you,

4751
07:56:32,827 --> 07:56:39,328
madame Chair. And. I just a few moments ago forward

4752
07:56:39,328 --> 07:56:43,048
at this staff some revised wording. And the wording is

4753
07:56:43,048 --> 07:56:50,052
really only reflecting the timing that Misha. Provided earlier. In

4754
07:56:50,052 --> 07:56:53,612
responding to questions and also the need to make sure

4755
07:56:53,612 --> 07:57:02,094
that. Council. Also considers. The sharing of data with industry

4756
07:57:02,094 --> 07:57:05,094
and other community partners. After staff have had an opportunity

4757
07:57:05,094 --> 07:57:08,534
to report back on to us on the legal issue.

4758
07:57:08,534 --> 07:57:11,814
So the motion now reads that region of, region of

4759
07:57:11,814 --> 07:57:15,614
Waterloo staff make available to area municipalities no later than

4760
07:57:15,614 --> 07:57:18,934
end of January. All raw data that informed and encompasses

4761
07:57:18,934 --> 07:57:24,186
the agile. Water supply peer review and assessment report and

4762
07:57:24,186 --> 07:57:27,706
also report to council by January 28 about also making

4763
07:57:27,706 --> 07:57:32,746
that data available to industry and other community partners thereafter

4764
07:57:32,746 --> 07:57:34,986
and further, that in sharing the data and existing information.

4765
07:57:36,702 --> 07:57:38,862
Details also be provided of all budget approved and other

4766
07:57:38,862 --> 07:57:42,822
planned infrastructure works along with their respective capacity gains in

4767
07:57:42,822 --> 07:57:47,785
associated timing to be brought online for capacity purposes. Some

4768
07:57:47,785 --> 07:57:50,105
of that. Part two, I mean, is already information that

4769
07:57:50,105 --> 07:57:52,465
we know because it was approved in the capital budget.

4770
07:57:53,862 --> 07:57:57,329
And so on. Some Italy is part of, actually. The

4771
07:57:57,329 --> 07:58:05,438
answer. That pertains to. What? Councilor McCabe asked, and. It's

4772
07:58:05,438 --> 07:58:09,638
really just providing information on budget gains and timing, where

4773
07:58:09,638 --> 07:58:13,358
it's available and clearly, as was explained in that previous

4774
07:58:13,358 --> 07:58:17,198
debate. This will be iterative, so it'll be shared with

4775
07:58:17,198 --> 07:58:22,741
us based on. What councilor McKay best for, but there

4776
07:58:22,741 --> 07:58:26,421
will be changes as staff meet with provincial counterparts and.

4777
07:58:26,421 --> 07:58:31,405
Consider details going forward. Okay, so, Councilor Banovic, you've moved

4778
07:58:31,405 --> 07:58:35,430
it. I have. Councilor gowing, I'll. Second it. Any questions

4779
07:58:35,430 --> 07:58:39,873
regarding this motion? I am seeing none. Okay, we are

4780
07:58:39,873 --> 07:58:42,033
going to pull this up on Esribe.

4781
07:59:00,264 --> 07:59:06,834
Okay, that is carried. Moving along to the next motion.

4782
07:59:13,871 --> 07:59:20,106
Okay, councilor salon. Do we have a seconder for your

4783
07:59:20,106 --> 07:59:25,386
motion? Councilor Salonin. Councilor Foxton. Okay. Councilor Sullen. And do

4784
07:59:25,386 --> 07:59:27,466
you just want to read that? Therefore, be it resolved,

4785
07:59:27,466 --> 07:59:30,026
and then. Speak to your motion. Thank you. Not a

4786
07:59:30,026 --> 07:59:33,426
problem. And just one update. I had asked clerks if.

4787
07:59:33,426 --> 07:59:38,988
We could just strike out. The part a. Just because

4788
07:59:38,988 --> 07:59:42,988
staff satisfied that answer today. So that doesn't need to

4789
07:59:42,988 --> 07:59:47,715
be reiterated. So updated that. Would be actually have no

4790
07:59:47,715 --> 07:59:51,515
preamble so that regional staff be directed to provide a

4791
07:59:51,515 --> 07:59:54,435
clear written definition of what activities are currently paused or

4792
07:59:54,435 --> 07:59:59,115
restricted, including but not limited to servicing agreements, allocations registrations,

4793
07:59:59,115 --> 08:00:02,835
redevelopment scenarios and planning approvals no later than noon on

4794
08:00:02,835 --> 08:00:07,469
Friday, January the 16th. 2026 to regional council area. Municipal

4795
08:00:07,469 --> 08:00:12,309
councils and the public. And that regional staff be further

4796
08:00:12,309 --> 08:00:15,429
directed to report back to council no later than February

4797
08:00:15,429 --> 08:00:19,669
10, 2026. With a decision ready information package related to

4798
08:00:19,669 --> 08:00:25,149
the Mannheim service area water capacity constraints, including a summary

4799
08:00:25,149 --> 08:00:30,084
of. Intern operational and or engineering measures considered to mitigate

4800
08:00:30,084 --> 08:00:36,372
capacity constraints, including feasibility, estimated cost, regulatory requirements. And indicative

4801
08:00:36,372 --> 08:00:40,775
timelines. An example of. Sorry. An explanation of how the

4802
08:00:40,775 --> 08:00:44,215
region intends to address and resolve water supply capacity. Constraints

4803
08:00:44,215 --> 08:00:48,375
while respecting the planning authority of area municipalities, including how

4804
08:00:48,375 --> 08:00:52,455
the region, regional water and wastewater infrastructure planning, investment and

4805
08:00:52,455 --> 08:00:56,615
operational decisions will support area municipalities in carrying out their

4806
08:00:56,615 --> 08:01:01,266
legislated land use planning. Responsibilities, how growth related servicing decisions

4807
08:01:01,266 --> 08:01:05,546
will be aligned with approved area municipal official plans and

4808
08:01:05,546 --> 08:01:08,746
provincial planning policy rather than used as a mechanism to

4809
08:01:08,746 --> 08:01:13,026
direct or prioritize growth outcomes and what actions the region

4810
08:01:13,026 --> 08:01:16,506
will take within its jurisdiction to restore system capacity and

4811
08:01:16,506 --> 08:01:19,151
reliability so that the area municip. Municipalities are able to

4812
08:01:19,151 --> 08:01:22,591
proceed with planning and development in accordance with provincial legislation.

4813
08:01:24,126 --> 08:01:26,926
A detailed work plan, identifying specific dates and milestones rather

4814
08:01:26,926 --> 08:01:32,406
than quarter based timelines for further analysis, decision recommendations requiring

4815
08:01:32,406 --> 08:01:37,233
council considerations. One little caveat on that. I'm open. Now

4816
08:01:37,233 --> 08:01:40,073
that we've had other motions. That are essentially asking for

4817
08:01:40,073 --> 08:01:43,793
that work. That part can also be struck because councilor

4818
08:01:43,793 --> 08:01:48,873
McCabe's yes. Section D. Councillor McCabe's motion covered that clear

4819
08:01:48,873 --> 08:01:53,153
identification of matters requiring council direction versus those with administrative

4820
08:01:53,153 --> 08:01:56,711
authority, and further, that. Regional staff be directed to bring

4821
08:01:56,711 --> 08:02:00,391
forward a communications plan that includes public messaging, stakeholder outreach

4822
08:02:00,391 --> 08:02:04,871
plans or external communications related to the Manheim service area

4823
08:02:04,871 --> 08:02:08,791
water capacity constraint for council to review and approve in

4824
08:02:08,791 --> 08:02:12,791
advance of release or implementation, recognizing that this matter has

4825
08:02:12,791 --> 08:02:18,481
significant policy, economic growth. And intermissible implications. Such communications reflect

4826
08:02:18,481 --> 08:02:22,721
council direction and council accountability, and these issue extend beyond

4827
08:02:22,721 --> 08:02:26,801
regular routine administrative communications, so I would be looking for

4828
08:02:26,801 --> 08:02:30,999
council support. Okay, so before we get to the speaker

4829
08:02:30,999 --> 08:02:33,759
list, Matu, can you just speak to this motion? Capacity.

4830
08:02:35,530 --> 08:02:39,861
It just provides some context from an administration side. Through

4831
08:02:39,861 --> 08:02:43,743
you. Chair. I'll try my best. I don't know if

4832
08:02:43,743 --> 08:02:48,264
it's because we're. Past five. And it's getting a little

4833
08:02:48,264 --> 08:02:52,013
bit harder. I'm not sure what the scope of the

4834
08:02:52,013 --> 08:02:55,853
ask might be. For me, it feels like bring back

4835
08:02:55,853 --> 08:02:58,453
a report on February 10 that says how we're going

4836
08:02:58,453 --> 08:03:07,481
to solve the problem. Sorry. That's not exactly the intent.

4837
08:03:08,732 --> 08:03:10,692
It's provide what you can given the information that you

4838
08:03:10,692 --> 08:03:13,252
have at this time. I appreciate we're not solving the

4839
08:03:13,252 --> 08:03:18,993
problem today or on February the 10th. But this information

4840
08:03:18,993 --> 08:03:21,073
is the end goal of what I would like to

4841
08:03:21,073 --> 08:03:23,713
see, but essentially bring back what you can at this

4842
08:03:23,713 --> 08:03:27,233
time so that council better understands what decisions are coming

4843
08:03:27,233 --> 08:03:30,633
forward or before. Them. And again, I appreciate the caveats

4844
08:03:30,633 --> 08:03:36,415
that we've already established under the other motions. Questioning. Okay.

4845
08:03:36,415 --> 08:03:41,055
Councilor Hunich, Councilor Solomon, like you, I want to expedite

4846
08:03:41,055 --> 08:03:44,455
timelines. But did I hear you correctly that you want

4847
08:03:44,455 --> 08:03:47,535
one of the reports by January 16, which would be

4848
08:03:47,535 --> 08:03:53,544
this Friday. If I may answer that. It's not a

4849
08:03:53,544 --> 08:04:00,160
report. That is literally just a memo. From, it would

4850
08:04:00,160 --> 08:04:03,960
be commissioner Regira's department. Just saying what exactly they are.

4851
08:04:05,306 --> 08:04:07,666
Not allowing to happen right now on planning, it seems

4852
08:04:07,666 --> 08:04:10,546
like based off of the commissioner's comments today. They already

4853
08:04:10,546 --> 08:04:12,906
know what that is, but there seems to be confusion

4854
08:04:12,906 --> 08:04:16,226
amongst area municipalities in the community at large as to

4855
08:04:16,226 --> 08:04:19,386
what that is. So that should not be labor intensive.

4856
08:04:19,386 --> 08:04:23,626
And if his staff are currently not commenting on planning

4857
08:04:23,626 --> 08:04:26,223
projects. I would imagine that they would. Be able to

4858
08:04:26,223 --> 08:04:29,183
summarize what they are or are not commenting on. It's

4859
08:04:29,183 --> 08:04:33,776
not a formal report. To be reviewed, though. It's FYI,

4860
08:04:33,776 --> 08:04:36,256
this is a clear definition of what we are not

4861
08:04:36,256 --> 08:04:39,096
doing. Thank you. Chair. James, could I ask a question

4862
08:04:39,096 --> 08:04:49,034
of commissioner gear? Yeah, go ahead, commissioner. Commissioner Rigiri,

4863
08:04:49,034 --> 08:04:54,844
is there a reason that. You haven't opted to provide

4864
08:04:54,844 --> 08:04:58,444
this information to council so soon. And what would this

4865
08:04:58,444 --> 08:05:05,149
mean? For you in the next. 72 200 hours. Through

4866
08:05:05,149 --> 08:05:14,519
you chair James. Yes. The information that we would provide

4867
08:05:14,519 --> 08:05:21,232
in response to this question would be. To outline the

4868
08:05:21,232 --> 08:05:24,432
advisory comments that we are providing to our air municipal

4869
08:05:24,432 --> 08:05:30,775
colleagues. In response to development applications. And the information that

4870
08:05:30,775 --> 08:05:37,887
we presented today. In this session. Perhaps we could add

4871
08:05:37,887 --> 08:05:43,352
a little bit of additional detail with regard to. Our

4872
08:05:43,352 --> 08:05:50,805
statements. On the various stages of development applications. But it

4873
08:05:50,805 --> 08:05:54,789
wouldn't be much more than what we have today. Provided

4874
08:05:54,789 --> 08:06:01,549
to the committee. Okay, and so. I guess my final

4875
08:06:01,549 --> 08:06:04,029
comment then is that I'm for the spirit of this

4876
08:06:04,029 --> 08:06:07,309
motion, but. I wonder if the timeline is too tight.

4877
08:06:07,309 --> 08:06:12,194
I'm open to what other colleagues will say. Thank you,

4878
08:06:12,194 --> 08:06:15,674
Councilor Hunich. Amy, did you want to weigh in it?

4879
08:06:15,674 --> 08:06:17,634
Thank you. Through. The chair. I was just before you

4880
08:06:17,634 --> 08:06:22,072
vote. I'm still looking for some clarification. With respect to

4881
08:06:22,072 --> 08:06:24,552
specifically what you're asking for, because there's some pieces in

4882
08:06:24,552 --> 08:06:28,352
here. About regulatory requirements, and I know we haven't met

4883
08:06:28,352 --> 08:06:31,472
with the ministry yet. There's also pieces around estimated cost,

4884
08:06:31,472 --> 08:06:34,952
which I think we've clarified we won't have in this

4885
08:06:34,952 --> 08:06:39,627
time frame. Also, a lot of the report that we've

4886
08:06:39,627 --> 08:06:43,032
put forward has kind of outlined. Where we are to

4887
08:06:43,032 --> 08:06:45,792
date. I think today we've talked about the technical working

4888
08:06:45,792 --> 08:06:48,272
groups and the planning focused working groups that will be

4889
08:06:48,272 --> 08:06:51,672
proceeding, as well as the meeting with the ministry and

4890
08:06:51,672 --> 08:06:55,346
getting this list, so. I'm just struggling a bit to

4891
08:06:55,346 --> 08:07:00,027
understand specifically what more than that. Would be required. Thank

4892
08:07:00,027 --> 08:07:04,479
you, Councilor Slon. And you want to respond? Yes. So,

4893
08:07:04,479 --> 08:07:07,279
yes. I mean, it's evolved slightly from the conversations of

4894
08:07:07,279 --> 08:07:09,799
the other motions as well. As this was written prior

4895
08:07:09,799 --> 08:07:13,789
to the responses to committee today as well. But really

4896
08:07:13,789 --> 08:07:17,029
looking for all of that information to be aggregated into

4897
08:07:17,029 --> 08:07:21,109
one location and really help council and the community to

4898
08:07:21,109 --> 08:07:24,599
understand. What still needs to be done, who's under what

4899
08:07:24,599 --> 08:07:27,759
authority, in terms of what will be. Council decisions and

4900
08:07:27,759 --> 08:07:33,566
what just remains decisions of staff proceeding. So. It would

4901
08:07:33,566 --> 08:07:35,566
be the best that you can. And as there is

4902
08:07:35,566 --> 08:07:39,446
updated information for February 10 and in some cases, it

4903
08:07:39,446 --> 08:07:43,413
would be summarizing what was verbally said here today. If

4904
08:07:43,413 --> 08:07:46,413
that makes sense, but again, still fully appreciate the context

4905
08:07:46,413 --> 08:07:48,453
of you will not have this fully hashed out or

4906
08:07:48,453 --> 08:07:53,053
the problem fully resolve a bowl. But again, kind of

4907
08:07:53,053 --> 08:07:56,733
what was being discussed. In the other motion conversations of

4908
08:07:56,733 --> 08:07:59,613
give us timelines, we understand caveats, and things are going

4909
08:07:59,613 --> 08:08:03,232
to change. So through the chair. Could I ask them

4910
08:08:03,232 --> 08:08:05,512
that it be modified because when I see. Sure. And.

4911
08:08:05,512 --> 08:08:07,952
Maybe d. I think maybe we did say D was

4912
08:08:07,952 --> 08:08:12,272
removed. Okay, so it's just anytime. It says detailed or

4913
08:08:12,272 --> 08:08:17,561
specific? Again. It won't be. I'm fine with that language

4914
08:08:17,561 --> 08:08:25,184
being changed. To. Where it exists to saying the most

4915
08:08:25,184 --> 08:08:34,219
up to date. Detail. Available. Okay. Can clerk

4916
08:08:34,219 --> 08:08:37,899
staff make necessary changes. So anywhere there is, like detail

4917
08:08:37,899 --> 08:08:44,579
there specific, we want that removed. Either. The language can

4918
08:08:44,579 --> 08:08:50,168
be a general understanding as it is right now. That

4919
08:08:50,168 --> 08:08:52,208
staff are going to produce the best of what they

4920
08:08:52,208 --> 08:08:56,688
can to accommodate this. It's just to reflect essentially what

4921
08:08:56,688 --> 08:09:00,448
Amy has asked. Okay. I don't know the most effective

4922
08:09:00,448 --> 08:09:06,550
way. As emotion is on the floor. Okay. I'm going

4923
08:09:06,550 --> 08:09:08,110
to take a five minute break. I want to make

4924
08:09:08,110 --> 08:09:10,670
sure this motion is exactly the way it is supposed

4925
08:09:10,670 --> 08:09:13,894
to be. Clear. And come back.

4926
08:14:44,893 --> 08:14:50,734
Okay. So we have an updated motion. Steph, I want

4927
08:14:50,734 --> 08:14:54,294
to thank you for the time taken to do this.

4928
08:14:54,294 --> 08:14:58,534
And given the time constraints and the busyness that you

4929
08:14:58,534 --> 08:15:01,534
all are under. So with that, we do have a

4930
08:15:01,534 --> 08:15:07,737
motion. I've got councilor wolf. You are up next in

4931
08:15:07,737 --> 08:15:11,606
the queue. We're speaking to the main motion now. Sir.

4932
08:15:11,606 --> 08:15:17,476
You, madam chair. I'm speaking against the motion, I think.

4933
08:15:19,825 --> 08:15:23,745
We are overworking, overstressing staff. We do not have a

4934
08:15:23,745 --> 08:15:27,025
director, we do not have a commissioner. We asking them

4935
08:15:27,025 --> 08:15:33,661
to run. The whole water system. We're asking them to

4936
08:15:33,661 --> 08:15:37,381
solve this problem. We're asking them to create a task.

4937
08:15:37,381 --> 08:15:40,221
Force for asking us to meet with the province. We're

4938
08:15:40,221 --> 08:15:42,981
asking them to do so many. Things. The first two

4939
08:15:42,981 --> 08:15:46,301
motions that we've passed, all are asking them for reports.

4940
08:15:47,692 --> 08:15:51,561
And time. And time. Everything. Is they want as counselor.

4941
08:15:53,343 --> 08:15:58,103
Ronavick said, we want things yesterday, but we're giving them,

4942
08:15:58,103 --> 08:16:02,143
I think, way too. Much pressure. Most of this information

4943
08:16:02,143 --> 08:16:06,414
can be found in various reports. It might be nice

4944
08:16:06,414 --> 08:16:08,414
to have it all in one space, but at this

4945
08:16:08,414 --> 08:16:13,141
point, I think. We should let staff do their jobs.

4946
08:16:13,141 --> 08:16:17,829
Let them breathe. And then when they have the information,

4947
08:16:17,829 --> 08:16:21,680
they'll bring it to us. When they're ready, when it's

4948
08:16:21,680 --> 08:16:25,773
done properly, when there's not the risks. And things that

4949
08:16:25,773 --> 08:16:30,052
they're not comfortable putting out. And I do think that.

4950
08:16:31,893 --> 08:16:36,488
We're responsible for the wellness of our staff and. I

4951
08:16:36,488 --> 08:16:42,576
don't think. This. Is a good way of handling the

4952
08:16:42,576 --> 08:16:46,146
business right now. So I'll be voting against this motion.

4953
08:16:47,980 --> 08:16:56,853
Thank you. Chair Redmond. Thank you. Chair, James. This is

4954
08:16:56,853 --> 08:16:59,293
a huge issue, and I understand that everybody wants to

4955
08:16:59,293 --> 08:17:02,466
be part of the solution. But I have to tell

4956
08:17:02,466 --> 08:17:05,506
you, and we just have received this motion, and it's

4957
08:17:05,506 --> 08:17:08,866
a lot. And the point was already made earlier in

4958
08:17:08,866 --> 08:17:11,506
today's meeting that there's a difference between a direction to

4959
08:17:11,506 --> 08:17:14,626
staff and emotion, and I find this motion very prescriptive,

4960
08:17:14,626 --> 08:17:17,586
so. I'm sure it was well intended. And I do

4961
08:17:17,586 --> 08:17:20,546
appreciate the councilor salon and is willing to sort of

4962
08:17:20,546 --> 08:17:24,045
amend. It in real time, but I won't be supporting

4963
08:17:24,045 --> 08:17:26,485
it either, because I think a lot. Of this information

4964
08:17:26,485 --> 08:17:30,925
is already available. And as things unfold and we get

4965
08:17:30,925 --> 08:17:34,605
a more focused view on the path forward. There may

4966
08:17:34,605 --> 08:17:39,266
be a point in time when. This kind of accounting

4967
08:17:39,266 --> 08:17:42,866
about the processes is appropriate, but I don't feel that

4968
08:17:42,866 --> 08:17:46,485
we're at that juncture at this point in time. Okay.

4969
08:17:46,485 --> 08:17:55,061
Councilor. Councilor Hunick is not here. Okay. All right. We

4970
08:17:55,061 --> 08:17:58,061
have quorum, so I'm going to call the vote with

4971
08:17:58,061 --> 08:18:02,135
this. You'll be prompted in Escrib.

4972
08:18:18,106 --> 08:18:19,986
Not in escrow, but I'm in favor.

4973
08:18:38,472 --> 08:18:41,472
Okay. That motion was defeated. We are moving on to

4974
08:18:41,472 --> 08:18:48,801
the next motion. Councilor Selena, okay?

4975
08:18:52,068 --> 08:18:55,948
We have a seconder for Councilor Salanand, Councilor Bennevic, and.

4976
08:18:55,948 --> 08:18:59,068
Okay. Councilor salon, you can speak to your motion. Thank

4977
08:18:59,068 --> 08:19:02,308
you. And this one I would just change. The timeline

4978
08:19:02,308 --> 08:19:06,668
again. This was written prior to committee day today. I

4979
08:19:06,668 --> 08:19:10,390
think it can be end of. Q two. Instead of

4980
08:19:10,390 --> 08:19:14,771
the February 10 date, but this one. Is asking about.

4981
08:19:16,363 --> 08:19:21,142
Ontario permits to take water. Just wanting to. Get context

4982
08:19:21,142 --> 08:19:26,211
for what is currently taken out of our watershed. And

4983
08:19:26,211 --> 08:19:29,171
what are those parameters? Just thinking again, bigger picture as

4984
08:19:29,171 --> 08:19:34,279
we're changing our methodology. That I'd like to understand this

4985
08:19:34,279 --> 08:19:37,599
and then perhaps advocate to the province for potential changes.

4986
08:19:37,599 --> 08:19:40,759
On these, but again, would need to know and understand

4987
08:19:40,759 --> 08:19:45,159
who's even currently taking water out. Of our area, but

4988
08:19:45,159 --> 08:19:47,119
I think that it all kind of links together as

4989
08:19:47,119 --> 08:19:50,079
it is all part of one watershed. So this is

4990
08:19:50,079 --> 08:19:54,021
just information. Exploratory and I think is a part of

4991
08:19:54,021 --> 08:19:57,781
the much bigger picture of having a sustainable water system,

4992
08:19:57,781 --> 08:20:01,850
including. Our own water needs being taken care of before

4993
08:20:01,850 --> 08:20:07,832
the province. Continues to grant permits on others drawing. Amy,

4994
08:20:07,832 --> 08:20:10,952
do you want to just speak to this? So through

4995
08:20:10,952 --> 08:20:12,792
the chair? I did just want to. Point out that

4996
08:20:12,792 --> 08:20:15,512
the region does not have a role with respect to

4997
08:20:15,512 --> 08:20:18,592
permit to take water other than when they request their

4998
08:20:18,592 --> 08:20:22,592
own. So the ministry, the Environment, conservation and parks is

4999
08:20:22,592 --> 08:20:26,072
the government agency. Responsible for the review and the issuance

5000
08:20:26,072 --> 08:20:29,425
of all permit to take waters. They also are responsible

5001
08:20:29,425 --> 08:20:33,698
for ensuring that. The permit holders are complying with the

5002
08:20:33,698 --> 08:20:38,298
permit conditions, including how much water is being taken that

5003
08:20:38,298 --> 08:20:42,098
information is available on the province's website. So you can

5004
08:20:42,098 --> 08:20:44,698
just click on the map and I actually have the

5005
08:20:44,698 --> 08:20:47,896
link that I can share. I just wanted to point

5006
08:20:47,896 --> 08:20:50,936
out that staff currently do not have a role in

5007
08:20:50,936 --> 08:20:53,816
the tracking or the enforcement of any permit to take

5008
08:20:53,816 --> 08:20:58,228
water or what conditions go into them. You want to

5009
08:20:58,228 --> 08:21:02,308
respond to councilor salon? Yes, and that I totally understand.

5010
08:21:06,416 --> 08:21:08,696
And that was kind of where the next steps was,

5011
08:21:08,696 --> 08:21:11,256
is that if this council then decides that we want

5012
08:21:11,256 --> 08:21:14,416
to do advocacy work to the province. Again, this is

5013
08:21:14,416 --> 08:21:19,139
recognizing that we're switching to methodology. From how we look

5014
08:21:19,139 --> 08:21:22,179
at our own water systems. So if we're switching, maybe

5015
08:21:22,179 --> 08:21:24,939
there is. Warrant for the province to be switching or

5016
08:21:24,939 --> 08:21:29,578
considering their methodology differently in water taking permits. So just

5017
08:21:29,578 --> 08:21:32,618
wanting to have this information aggregated for all of council

5018
08:21:32,618 --> 08:21:34,298
to see to then be. Able to consider if we

5019
08:21:34,298 --> 08:21:37,658
want to do advocacy work. But I completely appreciate and

5020
08:21:37,658 --> 08:21:42,585
already understand that we do not have. Any actual jurisdiction

5021
08:21:42,585 --> 08:21:47,441
over Ontario water taking permits. Just to clarify, through the

5022
08:21:47,441 --> 08:21:54,619
chair. Because we have a small hydrogeological. Geology group who

5023
08:21:54,619 --> 08:21:58,706
would probably be the ones having to do this. They're

5024
08:21:58,706 --> 08:22:02,894
very focused on. The solution problem again. So I might

5025
08:22:02,894 --> 08:22:05,414
have to suggest again that we may have to hire

5026
08:22:05,414 --> 08:22:08,414
a consultant to do this. Work, depending on the amount

5027
08:22:08,414 --> 08:22:12,351
of work this entails, because I can imagine. There's probably

5028
08:22:12,351 --> 08:22:14,871
tens of thousands of permits to take waters that have

5029
08:22:14,871 --> 08:22:17,911
been issued in the region of Waterloo, and so it

5030
08:22:17,911 --> 08:22:21,191
would depend on the type of information you're looking for.

5031
08:22:21,191 --> 08:22:23,511
How that would be aggregated. I mean, I'm just saying,

5032
08:22:23,511 --> 08:22:27,167
I don't think. That. That's a priority for the staff

5033
08:22:27,167 --> 08:22:29,847
in the moment, but I appreciate that it's an ask

5034
08:22:29,847 --> 08:22:34,979
that you're interested in. Matt. Okay, so I'll move through

5035
08:22:34,979 --> 08:22:38,941
the speakers queue. Councilor Foxton. Yeah. We should be able

5036
08:22:38,941 --> 08:22:42,141
to get the list from the ministry for the amount

5037
08:22:42,141 --> 08:22:47,743
that is taken. And I believe I'm meeting ministry. I

5038
08:22:47,743 --> 08:22:50,509
think on Monday. So you got a meeting with the

5039
08:22:50,509 --> 08:22:56,214
Natasha. Okay, but we can even maybe pull them aside

5040
08:22:56,214 --> 08:22:59,214
at room and talk to them and see if we

5041
08:22:59,214 --> 08:23:01,814
can get the list and then advocate on that behalf,

5042
08:23:01,814 --> 08:23:04,814
because I also want to advocate on not going below

5043
08:23:04,814 --> 08:23:11,499
the water table for aggregate. Especially at this time. So

5044
08:23:11,499 --> 08:23:15,321
maybe we'll hit them up for both of those. Okay,

5045
08:23:15,321 --> 08:23:21,774
chair Redmond. Just further to Amy's comments. I guess sort

5046
08:23:21,774 --> 08:23:24,686
of the flag went up for me. It's not our

5047
08:23:24,686 --> 08:23:27,886
jurisdiction, and I understand that. How would we assess the

5048
08:23:27,886 --> 08:23:30,286
impact? Because that's where I went with this motion and

5049
08:23:30,286 --> 08:23:33,126
just wondered who would do that and how would we

5050
08:23:33,126 --> 08:23:36,690
do that? So every time a permit to take water

5051
08:23:36,690 --> 08:23:40,210
goes in, it's their technical staff that are doing the

5052
08:23:40,210 --> 08:23:48,065
evaluation. Of. The risks and they categorize them. As category

5053
08:23:48,065 --> 08:23:50,225
one, two or three based on risk. So they are

5054
08:23:50,225 --> 08:23:53,745
the ones developing the conditions based on the risk. But

5055
08:23:53,745 --> 08:23:56,665
again, they're not looking at the system as a whole

5056
08:23:56,665 --> 08:23:58,945
when they get a permit to take water application. They

5057
08:23:58,945 --> 08:24:04,427
look at each individual application versus the overall impact. Of

5058
08:24:04,427 --> 08:24:09,292
as many. Permanent take water disease as they're approving. And

5059
08:24:09,292 --> 08:24:12,972
I guess maybe it's to councilor salon. And then is

5060
08:24:12,972 --> 08:24:14,932
that the kind of. Impact that you were looking at?

5061
08:24:14,932 --> 08:24:18,968
Are you looking at sort of a system impact? So

5062
08:24:18,968 --> 08:24:22,848
really I'm preempting. I think we should be advocating to

5063
08:24:22,848 --> 08:24:27,208
the province. For them to consider take water permits differently

5064
08:24:27,208 --> 08:24:30,848
in the region. Considering that we've just updated our methodology.

5065
08:24:30,848 --> 08:24:33,168
They should also be updating theirs. But I didn't want

5066
08:24:33,168 --> 08:24:38,972
to preempt. It without having. Information to then, actually. Properly

5067
08:24:38,972 --> 08:24:42,114
speak to the province about. So I'm really looking for

5068
08:24:42,114 --> 08:24:46,523
high level data. And then staff suggestions because, again, it

5069
08:24:46,523 --> 08:24:50,729
impacts the water system that they are serving. People drawing

5070
08:24:50,729 --> 08:24:53,009
and not putting back in. Like, for example, I know

5071
08:24:53,009 --> 08:24:56,009
Nestle has a lot of draw permits, and this isn't.

5072
08:24:57,590 --> 08:25:00,030
To point them out in particular. But when water is

5073
08:25:00,030 --> 08:25:02,910
bottled and taken out of our jurisdiction, it's not going

5074
08:25:02,910 --> 08:25:06,430
back into our watershed. So just high level, what then?

5075
08:25:06,430 --> 08:25:08,350
We can advocate and the reason for the q two

5076
08:25:08,350 --> 08:25:11,190
ending is so that if we so choose at AMO,

5077
08:25:11,190 --> 08:25:14,430
we could start this advocacy work with the province on

5078
08:25:14,430 --> 08:25:17,110
getting them to change. So I'm hearing you say the

5079
08:25:17,110 --> 08:25:20,750
impact is on our water system that's in this motion.

5080
08:25:20,750 --> 08:25:25,456
Thank you. Sorry. Through the chair. I have my group

5081
08:25:25,456 --> 08:25:28,336
messaging me saying we comment on permit to take waters.

5082
08:25:28,336 --> 08:25:31,136
Near our supply wells. Province allows us to provide input

5083
08:25:31,136 --> 08:25:35,256
for consideration. It is provincial responsibility, though, to require proponents

5084
08:25:35,256 --> 08:25:40,653
to complete cumulative impact assessments. Just so we're clear. Are

5085
08:25:40,653 --> 08:25:48,688
you saying? No, it's okay. I was just wondering if

5086
08:25:48,688 --> 08:25:53,271
Jeff wanted to provide more information on that. Jeff hasn't

5087
08:25:53,271 --> 08:26:02,911
spoken yet today. Better late than never. Sure

5088
08:26:02,911 --> 08:26:06,071
the chair. The region of Waterloo is given the opportunity

5089
08:26:06,071 --> 08:26:10,791
to comment on private water takings. Proposed through Ontario Water

5090
08:26:10,791 --> 08:26:14,471
Resource act applications through the permit to take water process.

5091
08:26:14,471 --> 08:26:18,231
These are typically applications that are in relatively close proximity

5092
08:26:18,231 --> 08:26:21,511
to our well fields and generally larger water takers in

5093
08:26:21,511 --> 08:26:25,986
that category. Three type of territory. In terms of study

5094
08:26:25,986 --> 08:26:31,775
requirements. Historically. When there's a change in land use required.

5095
08:26:31,775 --> 08:26:35,015
There were study requirements that could be requested. And can

5096
08:26:35,015 --> 08:26:37,295
still be requested as part of a zoning bylaw amendment

5097
08:26:37,295 --> 08:26:41,308
or zone change application. That's for those technical studies can

5098
08:26:41,308 --> 08:26:44,108
be provided with the local context in terms of actually

5099
08:26:44,108 --> 08:26:47,988
providing the approvals to take water. That's still the province's

5100
08:26:47,988 --> 08:26:51,988
jurisdiction. So any cumulative impacts related to other private water

5101
08:26:51,988 --> 08:26:56,028
takers in the area. Municipal water takings, private supply wells

5102
08:26:56,028 --> 08:27:00,664
for domestic residences that falls. Within the purview and the

5103
08:27:00,664 --> 08:27:04,424
jurisdiction of the province. So in terms of that cumulative

5104
08:27:04,424 --> 08:27:07,744
impact, assessment piece. I haven't seen very much of that

5105
08:27:07,744 --> 08:27:11,172
in my career. Reviewing these types of applications at the

5106
08:27:11,172 --> 08:27:14,939
region. To actually assemble all of that information and then.

5107
08:27:16,579 --> 08:27:19,579
Try to make a detailed assessment of cumulative impacts would

5108
08:27:19,579 --> 08:27:25,484
be quite a substantial undertaking, for sure. That I totally

5109
08:27:25,484 --> 08:27:33,738
appreciate, and I'm not necessarily looking. Saying all of these

5110
08:27:33,738 --> 08:27:38,343
water permits are causing x, however. Do you think? In.

5111
08:27:38,343 --> 08:27:44,704
Would it be fair? For. Large scale, like high level

5112
08:27:44,704 --> 08:27:47,904
assumptions to me made of these will have impacts on

5113
08:27:47,904 --> 08:27:52,304
our water system. Again. I'm looking for information for council

5114
08:27:52,304 --> 08:27:55,384
to understand that we could. Then should we choose. Go

5115
08:27:55,384 --> 08:27:58,464
and advocate to the province that they undertake the actual

5116
08:27:58,464 --> 08:28:01,624
work and change their methodology to better suit how we're

5117
08:28:01,624 --> 08:28:07,191
updating our methodology. Yeah, through the chair. There are opportunities

5118
08:28:07,191 --> 08:28:10,151
under the Ontario Water Resources act to define areas of

5119
08:28:10,151 --> 08:28:13,971
high stress for water use. In areas where you have

5120
08:28:13,971 --> 08:28:17,291
significant water takings and where you see mutual interference between

5121
08:28:17,291 --> 08:28:21,651
pumping that's certainly an opportunity. It would require advocacy to

5122
08:28:21,651 --> 08:28:25,531
the province for sure, to look into something like that,

5123
08:28:25,531 --> 08:28:30,175
technical information would have to be provided. But it's an

5124
08:28:30,175 --> 08:28:34,149
option under the Ontario Water Resources Act. In areas where

5125
08:28:34,149 --> 08:28:38,109
we've seen mutual interference from private water users, we have

5126
08:28:38,109 --> 08:28:41,429
been able to bring forward concerns to the province, particularly

5127
08:28:41,429 --> 08:28:45,109
where we've seen interference with our supply wells and they

5128
08:28:45,109 --> 08:28:48,229
do listen to those conversations, so it's not a bad

5129
08:28:48,229 --> 08:28:53,016
idea for sure. And something that perhaps the ministry. Should

5130
08:28:53,016 --> 08:28:58,813
potentially contemplate as they're issuing permits to take water. To.

5131
08:29:00,070 --> 08:29:04,953
Private water takers. Okay, moving through the list, Councilor wolf.

5132
08:29:06,638 --> 08:29:12,490
Through. Madam chair. I guess I'm just concerned about the

5133
08:29:12,490 --> 08:29:14,850
scope of the work, and I'm not sure if we

5134
08:29:14,850 --> 08:29:17,930
should be hiring a consultant at this point or seem

5135
08:29:17,930 --> 08:29:22,726
to be hiring quite a few. And I guess I

5136
08:29:22,726 --> 08:29:27,567
would question. When we with staff, if we've had a

5137
08:29:27,567 --> 08:29:34,113
concern over. A private. Company person taking water new oh,

5138
08:29:34,113 --> 08:29:41,661
well, how is the province reacted? Through the chair. We've

5139
08:29:41,661 --> 08:29:43,581
typically, I'd say over the course of my career, I've

5140
08:29:43,581 --> 08:29:47,775
only encountered one situation like this, and. For one of

5141
08:29:47,775 --> 08:29:53,097
our well fields in the Cambridge area. And generally the

5142
08:29:53,097 --> 08:29:57,057
problems required. Additional monitoring is completed for their investigation to

5143
08:29:57,057 --> 08:30:01,674
be completed. I'd have to take that question back to

5144
08:30:01,674 --> 08:30:04,754
staff. Exactly. If there was any action that was required

5145
08:30:04,754 --> 08:30:07,514
by the ministry of the private water taker. I know

5146
08:30:07,514 --> 08:30:10,834
up to that point where enhanced monitoring requirements were kind

5147
08:30:10,834 --> 08:30:17,757
of required under the permit. Okay. I would hope that

5148
08:30:17,757 --> 08:30:24,527
maybe we could talk to the. Minister. Without necessarily having.

5149
08:30:25,846 --> 08:30:28,046
All the facts and figures. Since they have all the

5150
08:30:28,046 --> 08:30:33,624
facts and figures. And just express our concern. Given our

5151
08:30:33,624 --> 08:30:39,328
situation and that. Should they be looking at? The effect

5152
08:30:39,328 --> 08:30:44,375
of these private companies. Taking water from us at this

5153
08:30:44,375 --> 08:30:50,055
time. And do that to me, that conversation. If they

5154
08:30:50,055 --> 08:30:52,628
want the facts and figures. You can refer them to

5155
08:30:52,628 --> 08:30:59,340
their website. So anyway, that's my comment. Okay. Thank you,

5156
08:30:59,340 --> 08:31:05,884
councilor gowing. Thanks, sir, you chair. I have to echo

5157
08:31:05,884 --> 08:31:08,444
the comments. I think this is a lot of work,

5158
08:31:08,444 --> 08:31:11,524
but if we can get staff to shrink it down

5159
08:31:11,524 --> 08:31:13,284
and give it a high level. I'm okay, but I

5160
08:31:13,284 --> 08:31:18,963
am a huge proponent. In support of the advocacy for

5161
08:31:18,963 --> 08:31:22,403
this annuity article just came out today. That said, in

5162
08:31:22,403 --> 08:31:25,363
the last five years, the provincial government has given out

5163
08:31:25,363 --> 08:31:31,528
hundreds of permits for drawing water within our region. So

5164
08:31:31,528 --> 08:31:34,728
I think that they need to start looking at it,

5165
08:31:34,728 --> 08:31:39,142
and we need to advocate to. Find. Support of that

5166
08:31:39,142 --> 08:31:41,822
portion. I just don't want to make a make work

5167
08:31:41,822 --> 08:31:45,004
project, so if this could be. Streamlined to just the

5168
08:31:45,004 --> 08:31:51,683
advocacy part. I would support that. So, chair, I'm happy

5169
08:31:51,683 --> 08:31:55,363
to remove this motion today and then come back with

5170
08:31:55,363 --> 08:31:57,763
something more. In the scope of what people are saying.

5171
08:32:00,686 --> 08:32:01,686
I just wasn't certain I was going to get the

5172
08:32:01,686 --> 08:32:06,962
advocacy. Go ahead. Without the numbers. So I will remove

5173
08:32:06,962 --> 08:32:10,762
my motion. Okay, so I need unanimous consent for that.

5174
08:32:13,131 --> 08:32:15,291
We have that. Okay. We are good. Okay, so, yes,

5175
08:32:15,291 --> 08:32:17,931
and then something will come back, councilor. Salon around the

5176
08:32:17,931 --> 08:32:22,060
advocacy piece. Love it. Perfect. Okay. Moving on. I think

5177
08:32:22,060 --> 08:32:29,414
we have one more motion. Yes. Okay. And chair. Before

5178
08:32:29,414 --> 08:32:30,854
it pulls up, could I just ask, before we pull

5179
08:32:30,854 --> 08:32:34,420
it up, could I ask. Questions. And just give staff

5180
08:32:34,420 --> 08:32:39,602
a minute to refine the wording. Okay. You need to

5181
08:32:39,602 --> 08:32:41,842
change the wording in this. It's underway. I just want

5182
08:32:41,842 --> 08:32:44,562
to give them a second to digest it. Okay, well,

5183
08:32:44,562 --> 08:32:51,178
we'll give them 30 seconds. Yeah, okay. So chair, I

5184
08:32:51,178 --> 08:32:52,538
think one thing that we heard today and want to

5185
08:32:52,538 --> 08:32:54,578
thank staff for all the events work on this. I

5186
08:32:54,578 --> 08:32:58,847
think the agile report is really great. And I think.

5187
08:32:59,974 --> 08:33:00,854
Paints a really good picture of where we're at from

5188
08:33:00,854 --> 08:33:03,254
an engineering perspective, but I think what we heard loud

5189
08:33:03,254 --> 08:33:06,497
and clear today is that. We need to find some

5190
08:33:06,497 --> 08:33:09,897
pathways and have some deeper conversations in the details about

5191
08:33:09,897 --> 08:33:15,170
how we can. Get. And how development proceeds over the

5192
08:33:15,170 --> 08:33:17,410
immediate and short term, recognizing that there's a lot of

5193
08:33:17,410 --> 08:33:22,351
work that needs to happen to get. There. And so,

5194
08:33:22,351 --> 08:33:27,048
Commissioner Regira, are you comfortable with the wording that. We

5195
08:33:27,048 --> 08:33:28,608
just landed on. Sorry to put you on the spot.

5196
08:33:30,108 --> 08:33:36,916
Yeah, through you chair James. Yes. I'm reasonably comfortable because

5197
08:33:36,916 --> 08:33:40,602
I think that. A good bit of this work is

5198
08:33:40,602 --> 08:33:47,329
work. That's contemplated already. I do have not certain of

5199
08:33:47,329 --> 08:33:49,409
the outcome that we'll be able to get to in

5200
08:33:49,409 --> 08:33:55,789
that time frame, but. I'm reasonably comfortable with the direction.

5201
08:33:57,567 --> 08:34:01,087
Okay. Thank you. And so I'll just send this to

5202
08:34:01,087 --> 08:34:03,487
swap out the second part. I'll just send it to

5203
08:34:03,487 --> 08:34:06,247
clerks to swap at part two and we'll speak to

5204
08:34:06,247 --> 08:34:06,287
it.

5205
08:34:18,760 --> 08:34:23,892
Is it up? Just give me a second. Okay. Okay,

5206
08:34:23,892 --> 08:34:29,985
great. So motion in front of us today really is.

5207
08:34:29,985 --> 08:34:33,345
I think the first part is work. That is. Underway,

5208
08:34:33,345 --> 08:34:37,145
but I think what I'm looking to have staff undertake

5209
08:34:37,145 --> 08:34:40,682
here is. What have deep conversations about what types of

5210
08:34:40,682 --> 08:34:43,842
developments might be able to be moved around in the

5211
08:34:43,842 --> 08:34:47,242
pipeline and to help free up spaces in the interim

5212
08:34:47,242 --> 08:34:51,276
and where we can get creative. With finding capacity in

5213
08:34:51,276 --> 08:34:52,876
the short term, and again, there'd be a lot of

5214
08:34:52,876 --> 08:34:55,756
work there. So there's no timeline associated to that. But

5215
08:34:55,756 --> 08:34:59,743
I think those conversations are really important. Both. With development

5216
08:34:59,743 --> 08:35:08,295
partners. And staff at the area municipalities and then. The

5217
08:35:08,295 --> 08:35:11,465
second. Part really just relates to having some more clarity

5218
08:35:11,465 --> 08:35:14,705
at our February committee meeting about which types of developments

5219
08:35:14,705 --> 08:35:18,145
and applications are subject to regional advisory comments. I think

5220
08:35:18,145 --> 08:35:20,825
today I had asked a question about different types of

5221
08:35:20,825 --> 08:35:22,465
development. I think if it's just really clear for the

5222
08:35:22,465 --> 08:35:25,465
community, we understand. That certain things actually can go ahead,

5223
08:35:25,465 --> 08:35:28,745
certain types of applications, certain types of developments that the.

5224
08:35:29,630 --> 08:35:32,958
Region has no say on can actually happen and. Nothing's

5225
08:35:32,958 --> 08:35:36,598
happening at all, ever. So I think it's just putting

5226
08:35:36,598 --> 08:35:40,411
information about how we go forward. And clarity for the

5227
08:35:40,411 --> 08:35:44,338
community. Thanks, chair. Okay, so it is moved. I need.

5228
08:35:46,004 --> 08:35:50,004
A second or. Absolutely. Okay, so the motion is that

5229
08:35:50,004 --> 08:35:54,284
regional staff engage with development partners and area municipal staff

5230
08:35:54,284 --> 08:35:59,444
to validate development pipeline and timeline assumptions to identify where

5231
08:35:59,444 --> 08:36:04,924
additional capacity can be found to support immediate development opportunities,

5232
08:36:04,924 --> 08:36:10,397
including the reallocation of currently. Unused capacity. And two that

5233
08:36:10,397 --> 08:36:14,437
regional staff report to the sustainability, infrastructure and development committee.

5234
08:36:16,028 --> 08:36:19,948
In February 2026 on the types of developments and applications

5235
08:36:19,948 --> 08:36:25,219
subject to regional advisory comments. Okay, so, Councilor Hunich, you'll

5236
08:36:25,219 --> 08:36:33,356
second that? Okay. Staff. I think. Acting CEO gets key.

5237
08:36:35,547 --> 08:36:38,975
And amy. And commissioner Regir, if there are comments that

5238
08:36:38,975 --> 08:36:41,455
you want to make in terms of the feasibility with

5239
08:36:41,455 --> 08:36:50,400
this and support. Three chair James. Yes. We've put in

5240
08:36:50,400 --> 08:36:56,410
requests for. Our continuous conversation with Arie municipalities about the

5241
08:36:56,410 --> 08:37:04,151
status of various development applications. Across all segments. And so

5242
08:37:04,151 --> 08:37:09,650
I think if I understand the first. Motion correctly. This

5243
08:37:09,650 --> 08:37:12,450
is to make sure that we have a good understanding

5244
08:37:12,450 --> 08:37:16,610
of where there may be opportunities to refine our forecast

5245
08:37:16,610 --> 08:37:20,442
for future water demand. And that will allow us to

5246
08:37:20,442 --> 08:37:22,802
be much more detailed in the way that we respond.

5247
08:37:24,255 --> 08:37:30,479
In terms of managing risk. In the approvals process. Through

5248
08:37:30,479 --> 08:37:36,089
the chair. That's correct, yeah. So I'm reasonably comfortable with

5249
08:37:36,089 --> 08:37:38,769
that. And I've lost the thread on the second. One.

5250
08:37:40,659 --> 08:37:44,054
Just with respect to applications that are. Developments that are

5251
08:37:44,054 --> 08:37:48,443
subject to. And we've already committed. To bring additional detail

5252
08:37:48,443 --> 08:37:52,083
forward on projects that will be, or the various types

5253
08:37:52,083 --> 08:37:54,963
of applications and how we'll be responding to them, okay?

5254
08:37:57,092 --> 08:38:02,984
Just. A little setting expectations on the first part about

5255
08:38:02,984 --> 08:38:06,064
identifying more additional capacity can be found. Today we're in

5256
08:38:06,064 --> 08:38:08,424
a capacity deficit, so I want to make sure that.

5257
08:38:09,943 --> 08:38:12,263
I think we ought to be very careful about saying

5258
08:38:12,263 --> 08:38:14,983
additional capacity can be found, because at this time. We

5259
08:38:14,983 --> 08:38:16,743
have a deficit and we're trying to catch up on

5260
08:38:16,743 --> 08:38:24,832
the deficit. Understood. Thank you. Okay. Councilor Shunich, I have

5261
08:38:24,832 --> 08:38:28,529
you next in the queue. Thank you, Councilor James. I

5262
08:38:28,529 --> 08:38:30,089
was just so that I could have it read so

5263
08:38:30,089 --> 08:38:33,169
that I. Knew what I was doing. We're good. Thanks.

5264
08:38:33,169 --> 08:38:39,713
Okay. Councilor McKay, thank you. And thanks, Councilor Rodriguez, for

5265
08:38:39,713 --> 08:38:43,438
putting this forward. I actually have some concerns about this,

5266
08:38:43,438 --> 08:38:46,198
just in terms of your references to the water allocation

5267
08:38:46,198 --> 08:38:50,986
piece. Because. Water is water. We all know we need

5268
08:38:50,986 --> 08:38:54,466
it for our various developments in our various communities, but

5269
08:38:54,466 --> 08:38:58,146
I'm very curious and I guess concerned about what kind

5270
08:38:58,146 --> 08:39:00,626
of criteria you'd put. In place where you could say,

5271
08:39:00,626 --> 08:39:06,395
well, This project can go forward, but that one can't.

5272
08:39:07,701 --> 08:39:09,781
Because I feel like we're going to set ourselves up

5273
08:39:09,781 --> 08:39:12,781
as area municipalities for a bit. Of a dog fight,

5274
08:39:12,781 --> 08:39:15,261
right? Like, how are you going to decide what Waterloo

5275
08:39:15,261 --> 08:39:19,141
gets versus what Woolich? Gets versus what kitchener gets. And

5276
08:39:19,141 --> 08:39:21,941
so I just worry that this is going to lead

5277
08:39:21,941 --> 08:39:26,493
us down that path. In the middle of us trying

5278
08:39:26,493 --> 08:39:31,876
to work collaboratively to figure out this issue. So I

5279
08:39:31,876 --> 08:39:34,196
have some real concerns about that. And then in addition

5280
08:39:34,196 --> 08:39:39,226
to. As CEO, Getzky said, we're actually trying to work

5281
08:39:39,226 --> 08:39:43,891
ourselves out of a deficit. So I don't know how

5282
08:39:43,891 --> 08:39:47,811
we would square that circle. And without really understanding that,

5283
08:39:47,811 --> 08:39:55,593
I don't think I can support this. Okay, councilor. Actually,

5284
08:39:55,593 --> 08:39:59,073
this isn't specifically related to this motion, so it's a

5285
08:39:59,073 --> 08:40:05,317
question I have. At the end, maybe. Okay. Seeing. No

5286
08:40:05,317 --> 08:40:09,437
further questions. Oh, Councilor Verbanovic. Sorry, I was having problems

5287
08:40:09,437 --> 08:40:16,229
getting it to. Click in. Maybe. I'll just ask. Councilor

5288
08:40:16,229 --> 08:40:22,282
Rodriguez for some clarification, because. I think what you're meaning

5289
08:40:22,282 --> 08:40:29,965
by. Your motion. Is not to pit municipality against municipality,

5290
08:40:29,965 --> 08:40:33,625
but more you're looking at. There may be a project

5291
08:40:33,625 --> 08:40:38,775
that's approved that's out there. That the developer has no

5292
08:40:38,775 --> 08:40:42,895
plans to build for another five, seven, eight years. But

5293
08:40:42,895 --> 08:40:45,375
it's taking up space right now when we might need

5294
08:40:45,375 --> 08:40:50,154
that space in order to move something forward, perhaps? In

5295
08:40:50,154 --> 08:40:52,834
water lure. Cambridge or one of the townships? Is that

5296
08:40:52,834 --> 08:40:54,834
what you're getting at? Because that's my read of it.

5297
08:40:56,628 --> 08:40:59,068
Through the chair. I think that's the intention of it,

5298
08:40:59,068 --> 08:41:02,038
that it would stay within a community. I don't want

5299
08:41:02,038 --> 08:41:04,278
a situation where we're pitting communities against each other, but.

5300
08:41:04,278 --> 08:41:08,255
If there's a subdivision. Or approval. That's not happening for

5301
08:41:08,255 --> 08:41:11,135
five more years. How can we have a conversation and

5302
08:41:11,135 --> 08:41:16,223
engage with development partners. To reassess where that timing is

5303
08:41:16,223 --> 08:41:18,343
so that when we're in a position in six months

5304
08:41:18,343 --> 08:41:22,417
to start bringing development online. We can do so. Yeah,

5305
08:41:22,417 --> 08:41:26,294
I guess. On that note. I will support your motion

5306
08:41:26,294 --> 08:41:29,094
because I think it's trying to look, it's part of

5307
08:41:29,094 --> 08:41:34,695
this discussion around looking. For helpful solutions. Recognizing that we're

5308
08:41:34,695 --> 08:41:37,015
going to need to do some infrastructure improvement that's going

5309
08:41:37,015 --> 08:41:40,735
to have some capacity implications which may limit what we

5310
08:41:40,735 --> 08:41:43,535
can do. But we also are hearing that we can't

5311
08:41:43,535 --> 08:41:47,175
shut down the industry and people's livelihoods. And so if

5312
08:41:47,175 --> 08:41:51,253
we can achieve some of these goals by actually. Recognizing

5313
08:41:51,253 --> 08:41:56,318
that some people aren't moving forward. Then why wouldn't we

5314
08:41:56,318 --> 08:42:00,705
consider that as part of the mix of solutions? So

5315
08:42:00,705 --> 08:42:03,665
at this point, I see this as information gathering, quite

5316
08:42:03,665 --> 08:42:07,225
frankly, through the chair, there's no timeline associated with the

5317
08:42:07,225 --> 08:42:10,865
first part as well. Just really to start those conversations.

5318
08:42:10,865 --> 08:42:14,988
Yeah, I will. Support it based on those understandings. Chair

5319
08:42:14,988 --> 08:42:19,496
Redmond. Just really quickly. I don't want to pit developer

5320
08:42:19,496 --> 08:42:22,856
against developer either, and that kind of worries me, so.

5321
08:42:22,856 --> 08:42:24,696
I'm not going to be supporting this. And again, I

5322
08:42:24,696 --> 08:42:27,296
think it's very well. Intentioned and we may get there.

5323
08:42:28,456 --> 08:42:30,776
But I think there's been so much goodwill from the

5324
08:42:30,776 --> 08:42:34,136
development community, and we heard people coming forward delegation after

5325
08:42:34,136 --> 08:42:37,016
delegation this morning, talking about they want to be part

5326
08:42:37,016 --> 08:42:40,628
of the solution. And this may or may not sort

5327
08:42:40,628 --> 08:42:42,988
of put the cat amongst the pigeons, so I'm. Not

5328
08:42:42,988 --> 08:42:46,593
going to support it, even though. I think triaging is

5329
08:42:46,593 --> 08:42:48,473
where we're going to have to go. I think this

5330
08:42:48,473 --> 08:42:51,174
is where we need to be. But I would rather.

5331
08:42:52,369 --> 08:42:55,369
See people come forward and volunteer to be part of

5332
08:42:55,369 --> 08:43:04,018
this bigger solution. Okay, Councilor Foxton. Thank you, chair. Yeah,

5333
08:43:04,018 --> 08:43:06,378
I sort of was thinking along the same lines as

5334
08:43:06,378 --> 08:43:10,018
you initially, and then. Listening to councilor McCabe and then

5335
08:43:10,018 --> 08:43:18,066
chair Redmond. And listening mostly to acting CEO Mattu. When

5336
08:43:18,066 --> 08:43:22,812
I asked the question about. That graft. And I said,

5337
08:43:22,812 --> 08:43:25,932
well, it looks like the 2024 applications can go ahead.

5338
08:43:25,932 --> 08:43:27,612
And they said, no. That's not true. We're in a

5339
08:43:27,612 --> 08:43:32,079
deficit. I don't think maybe this is the right way

5340
08:43:32,079 --> 08:43:34,039
to go at this time. I think. At some point.

5341
08:43:35,235 --> 08:43:36,675
We may be able to say to certain ones, come

5342
08:43:36,675 --> 08:43:41,044
forward. And others maybe take it back. But, yeah. I'm

5343
08:43:41,044 --> 08:43:43,004
sorry. And I don't know if I can support this.

5344
08:43:45,113 --> 08:43:50,663
Okay, Councilor Wolf. And then we're going to. Okay, call

5345
08:43:50,663 --> 08:43:58,569
the question. Three, madam. Speak. Chair. I'm losing it. Could

5346
08:43:58,569 --> 08:44:01,899
we take this motion in two pieces? Yes, we can.

5347
08:44:03,394 --> 08:44:12,137
Thank you. Okay. All right. Since. That. Yeah, well, clerks

5348
08:44:12,137 --> 08:44:15,137
will need. Sometimes Julie will separate. The two will vote

5349
08:44:15,137 --> 08:44:20,277
on each piece separately. Thank you. So the first part

5350
08:44:20,277 --> 08:44:23,717
that regional staff engage with development partners in area municipal

5351
08:44:23,717 --> 08:44:30,496
staff to validate development pipeline. And timeline assumptions to identify

5352
08:44:30,496 --> 08:44:34,296
where additional capacity can be found to support immediate development

5353
08:44:34,296 --> 08:44:39,965
opportunities, including the reallocation of currently unused capacity. I'm thinking

5354
08:44:39,965 --> 08:44:45,238
of something commissioner or acting CEO Getsky said. And that

5355
08:44:45,238 --> 08:44:48,798
is the assumptions to identify where additional capacity can be

5356
08:44:48,798 --> 08:44:55,152
found. I think we are operating in a deficit. To

5357
08:44:55,152 --> 08:45:01,275
get rid of it. Yeah. I don't know. Just better

5358
08:45:01,275 --> 08:45:04,515
worded. There's lack of assumption that we're. Trying to find

5359
08:45:04,515 --> 08:45:09,714
more when we're just trying to meet the capacity. To

5360
08:45:09,714 --> 08:45:16,816
counselor Rodriguez. I would ask that. Where it says additional

5361
08:45:16,816 --> 08:45:20,096
capacity to remove that and just say where capacity can

5362
08:45:20,096 --> 08:45:26,356
be found. Judge. That's fine. Okay. Everyone is out. Unanimous.

5363
08:45:26,356 --> 08:45:29,556
Is that okay? So it's just capacity. It's just capacity.

5364
08:45:30,792 --> 08:45:36,663
Okay. All right. Clerks, if you could please update. That.

5365
08:45:43,214 --> 08:45:46,254
Okay, so you'll be prompted in escribe.

5366
08:45:56,103 --> 08:46:02,993
My thing is not working. Okay, see this?

5367
08:46:15,599 --> 08:46:20,791
Councilor gowing, I'm in favor. Okay, so that was defeated.

5368
08:46:25,337 --> 08:46:30,418
The part one. Okay, so next we'll vote on part

5369
08:46:30,418 --> 08:46:34,940
two. I'll read that out so, everyone. Is aware. That

5370
08:46:34,940 --> 08:46:38,620
regional staff report to the sustainability, Infrastructure and Development committee

5371
08:46:38,620 --> 08:46:42,420
in February 2026 on the types of developments and applications

5372
08:46:42,420 --> 08:46:52,173
subject to regional advisory comments. That was kind of

5373
08:46:52,173 --> 08:46:52,573
motherhood.

5374
08:47:04,674 --> 08:47:13,801
Councilor Gawie, I'm in favor. Okay, so that carries.

5375
08:47:17,620 --> 08:47:27,531
Okay. We're cutting to that. There are no more. Okay,

5376
08:47:27,531 --> 08:47:30,851
so we are done with the motions. Councilor Herb, do

5377
08:47:30,851 --> 08:47:33,331
you have a question related to. The water. We've been

5378
08:47:33,331 --> 08:47:38,751
talking a lot today about outside consultants. This issue wasn't

5379
08:47:38,751 --> 08:47:42,316
around when we did our budget. So is this money

5380
08:47:42,316 --> 08:47:45,436
that we use for consultants, is that being charged to

5381
08:47:45,436 --> 08:47:48,276
the water reserve fund? Or where's the money coming from?

5382
08:47:49,904 --> 08:47:54,710
Through the chair. So part of what the report. Discussed

5383
08:47:54,710 --> 08:47:59,830
today was we have estimated about $1.3 million in additional

5384
08:47:59,830 --> 08:48:04,390
costs. So part of how we handle that is through

5385
08:48:04,390 --> 08:48:08,999
our Q one reporting process. So. This would be incurred,

5386
08:48:08,999 --> 08:48:11,039
it would be a variance we'd look at ways to

5387
08:48:11,039 --> 08:48:15,279
mitigate. It. And then we have the water stabilization reserve

5388
08:48:15,279 --> 08:48:18,308
that would fund it. So that would fall under that

5389
08:48:18,308 --> 08:48:22,983
same procedure and report back through our quarterly. Financial reports.

5390
08:48:24,758 --> 08:48:27,494
Thank you. Just a reminder to my colleagues that while

5391
08:48:27,494 --> 08:48:32,253
we outsource things to consultants, Staff need to supervise it,

5392
08:48:32,253 --> 08:48:35,646
set the guidelines. And so the consultants can do some

5393
08:48:35,646 --> 08:48:37,846
of their work. But staff also have to be involved

5394
08:48:37,846 --> 08:48:41,606
in it and considerable amount of time of supervision for

5395
08:48:41,606 --> 08:48:48,607
them as well. Okay. Councilor McKay, do you have a

5396
08:48:48,607 --> 08:48:52,760
question? I do. And thank you. I just was cognizant

5397
08:48:52,760 --> 08:48:55,360
of the fact that a number of the delegates today.

5398
08:48:57,013 --> 08:49:00,320
Asked. There was a specific request from them. About their

5399
08:49:00,320 --> 08:49:03,960
participation in an industry task force. So I just wondered

5400
08:49:03,960 --> 08:49:08,747
if staff maybe. I don't. Know. If. That's Matu or

5401
08:49:08,747 --> 08:49:11,347
Amy or someone wanted to comment on that. I just

5402
08:49:11,347 --> 08:49:13,987
doesn't. Feel right to leave today. Not that we're done.

5403
08:49:15,608 --> 08:49:18,928
But without having specifically addressed that question from them. So

5404
08:49:18,928 --> 08:49:21,888
I was just wondering if someone could respond. To that.

5405
08:49:23,520 --> 08:49:27,734
Thank you. Through the chair. I think Amy responded to

5406
08:49:27,734 --> 08:49:32,094
that earlier, saying that we would extend that technical work.

5407
08:49:32,094 --> 08:49:37,210
Group. Today we have some industry partners that we're mobilizing,

5408
08:49:37,210 --> 08:49:40,170
but that we'd extend it further to representatives of the

5409
08:49:40,170 --> 08:49:43,370
development community. Okay. Apologies. I must miss that. Thank you.

5410
08:49:43,370 --> 08:49:46,810
Thanks. Very much. Okay. Thank you. So I'm just going

5411
08:49:46,810 --> 08:49:49,250
to get to other business. I know. There's another question,

5412
08:49:49,250 --> 08:49:52,090
but just some of the formalities here. So for information

5413
08:49:52,090 --> 08:49:58,392
and correspondence, The council committee tracking list. Is there and

5414
08:49:58,392 --> 08:50:04,853
has been received. You've also received information. From Pauline Miller,

5415
08:50:04,853 --> 08:50:12,365
citizens for safe groundwater, John Perks and Loughler. Kristen baristale

5416
08:50:12,365 --> 08:50:16,091
and ian mcclain. And we're going to go to other

5417
08:50:16,091 --> 08:50:19,731
business. However, councilor Rodriguez, we're going to move your motion

5418
08:50:19,731 --> 08:50:28,212
to council. Deferred to council. And. Okay, Councilor Verbanovic. Thank

5419
08:50:28,212 --> 08:50:31,052
you. I'm sorry. For some reason, I'm. Not getting able

5420
08:50:31,052 --> 08:50:35,119
to queue in. I'm guessing this is a non issue,

5421
08:50:35,119 --> 08:50:37,239
but I think it's probably best to just raise it

5422
08:50:37,239 --> 08:50:39,799
like normally, because we're in committee right now. All the

5423
08:50:39,799 --> 08:50:43,639
motions we just. Passed technically wouldn't take effect until after

5424
08:50:43,639 --> 08:50:45,799
the ratified it council, but a number of the dates

5425
08:50:45,799 --> 08:50:51,085
that we're talking about. Of work being completed will actually

5426
08:50:51,085 --> 08:50:53,125
happen sooner than that. So I'm wondering if we can.

5427
08:50:53,125 --> 08:50:57,656
Just get confirmation from Mr. Getsky. That the directions that

5428
08:50:57,656 --> 08:51:01,940
we've passed today will, in fact, proceed. I'm assuming that's

5429
08:51:01,940 --> 08:51:06,291
the case, but just want to make sure that. We're

5430
08:51:06,291 --> 08:51:10,092
not. Mr. Gibson. I'm flexible. I mean, if the clerk

5431
08:51:10,092 --> 08:51:15,504
told me we're good, we're. Good to go. So through

5432
08:51:15,504 --> 08:51:21,306
the chair, all of these motions will be listed. In

5433
08:51:21,306 --> 08:51:25,211
the Sid summary on council. I would assume that staff.

5434
08:51:26,630 --> 08:51:29,230
Would be acting on it. On the ones that are

5435
08:51:29,230 --> 08:51:32,630
appropriate, but they will be there for council. Ratification. No.

5436
08:51:34,122 --> 08:51:35,122
I understand that, but I just want to make sure

5437
08:51:35,122 --> 08:51:39,653
the work is proceeding. If that's not the case, then

5438
08:51:39,653 --> 08:51:41,373
maybe we need to have a special counsel meeting in.

5439
08:51:41,373 --> 08:51:46,329
24 hours. So I'm hoping that the response is that

5440
08:51:46,329 --> 08:51:53,328
staff can proceed. With it. Lots of authority that the

5441
08:51:53,328 --> 08:51:56,328
acting CaO has. I'm sure this probably fits in with

5442
08:51:56,328 --> 08:52:01,734
it. Thank you, Councilor Verbanovic. No, we will not wait

5443
08:52:01,734 --> 08:52:07,614
for counsel on the 27th to start working on material

5444
08:52:07,614 --> 08:52:09,894
that's due for the end of January. Thank you very

5445
08:52:09,894 --> 08:52:16,844
much. Thank you, Councilor Selenan. Yes. This is where I

5446
08:52:16,844 --> 08:52:22,580
was heading next, okay? Well. The next meeting is February

5447
08:52:22,580 --> 08:52:27,086
10, 2026. I'm now going to ask for a mover

5448
08:52:27,086 --> 08:52:31,286
and a second or two adjourn. Councilor Salonin, councilor Foxton,

5449
08:52:31,286 --> 08:52:34,839
do I have unanimous consent that we can adjourn. Yes.

5450
08:52:37,905 --> 08:52:40,307
We have an update to our schedule. We are going

5451
08:52:40,307 --> 08:52:47,709
to be moving our administration and finance. To 04:00. On

5452
08:52:47,709 --> 08:52:51,707
January. What's the date? January 28. So ANF will be

5453
08:52:51,707 --> 08:52:56,572
moved to 04:00 p.m. january 28. So that is the

5454
08:52:56,572 --> 08:53:03,362
same night as council, but. We will start earlier. Yes,

5455
08:53:03,362 --> 08:53:10,348
the ANF agenda is fairly light, so. It should. Knock

5456
08:53:10,348 --> 08:53:12,812
on some woody. Okay, so with that, I think we

5457
08:53:12,812 --> 08:53:14,812
have the mover in the second, or it was unanimous.

5458
08:53:14,812 --> 08:53:17,892
We are adjourned for today. Thank you very much, everyone,

5459
08:53:17,892 --> 08:53:18,412
for being here.