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Good evening, everybody. This is September 2nd, 2026. We are the landmarks commission. This is the city of Walker-Shan. I'd like to call this meeting to order. I'll start with a roll call to my left with Marty.

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Marty Larson. Linda Gordo. Andrew Jonathan's Carmen Delapaz.

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Like we're seeing.

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Yeah.

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Redneck.

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Tony Lanzo.

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Perfect.

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And we're going to move on to public comment and go ahead, we're going to get a public comment

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for the Springs Committee if you could state your address on your name, please, for the

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record.

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Bob Selb, 434 Madison Street.

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I'm going to say that the Springs Committee seems to be fonged, but just bring it up

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as far as the Springs.

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I didn't see anything in any notifications of any false spring cleanup.

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and all there wasn't a spring, spring's cleaned up.

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And Mineska is in very much disrepair,

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finally after revisions surgery,

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is able to go down there and see what it looked like.

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There's trees across the pathway,

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there's sludge down at the bottom of the spring.

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And so to require a volunteer time to clean it up.

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And so more opposing the question,

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if there's not going to be a sanctioned landmark

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springs, fall clean up that I would arrange to get volunteers

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to get that cleaned up.

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So, if I had something I have to get permission from, sign waivers, I know I've done a lot of stuff myself over the years, but I'd probably get a volunteer base using a social media that I'm using called Spring Keepers to keep up on stuff like that and to keep advocacy for historical knowledge base forward and doing that.

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So kind of an open question, pass me to Charlie.

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Like, if I do a volunteer spring cleanup,

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we do have a group that's planning to come.

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You are planning it?

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Yes.

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OK, it's not a public group that's able to do it.

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OK, so let's stick to the public comment for this one.

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And then we can bring it up later at the end of the meeting

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when we actually have it on that part of the agenda.

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But I appreciate everything that you do Bob so much and if we do decide that we would love to get your help

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We will certainly reach out to you at promise. Thank you. Thank you. Cool. And we'll discuss it further later on in the agenda. Thank you, Bob

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Okay, anybody else here for public comment

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Hey

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So we are moving on to approval for minutes and I'm looking for a motion, please

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I'll make a motion to approve the minutes as listed on the agenda.

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And a second?

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I'll second.

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Perfect.

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Move out.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Item number 2, 6, 0, 4, 2, 2, 3, meeting minutes of August 5, 20, 26 have been approved.

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Moving on to the landmarks commission paint and repair grant funds.

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Charlie's going to give us a summary.

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This is item number two, six, dash, zero, four, two, five, eight.

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And we have a interesting conundrum that we shall deal with after Charlie explains it to us.

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All right.

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So as you know, the landmarks commission paint repair grants are typically approved

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on an increasing scale, roughly 15% of the cost of a project up to $3,000 max, and

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landmarks mission may use discretion to change award amounts based on projects scope, overall

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impact, fund availability, which is important for tonight, and any other circumstances.

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So, for 2026, we had an initial grant fund approval of $25,000 and all of the 2025 projects

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have been completed so that the 2025 funds have all been allocated and so far for this year

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approved grants totaling $21,777 and $50. And that leaves $3,222 in 50 cents available. And of

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course, the approvals need to be conditional on approval from Mark Shakone and the Shepo compliance.

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So here are all of the grants that have been approved for 2026. So there have been 13 total so far

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And there are three on the agenda for tonight,

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321 South Hardwell, 308 McCall Street and 1222 East Broadway.

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And as you can see from the amounts,

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the grant amounts, the applications,

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the guideline amounts exceed the available funds.

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If you were to give the guideline amounts for those grants, you would be at $6,141, which is almost twice

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the $3,222 grant of the amount that we have available. If you were to just follow the

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rates, first-come-first-serve basis.

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You probably give $3,000 to $3,021 South-Hartwell and then the remaining $2,022,250 to

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through a call-street and that would be it for the grants.

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Certainly wouldn't recommend doing that in the past, typically when we've come to the

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end of a grant allocation.

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Anybody that's on the agenda, the LAMRX Commission, is trying to give some money to.

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So I've kind of come up with a couple of options that you could consider, and I would recommend

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probably going through all the certificates of appropriateness before you review the grants.

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And I feel like I'll just be better to have an understanding of the amounts.

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So, option one is if you basically took that total of project cost estimates that we've received of $90,000 for the three of them, and then you took the amount of each of the grants, what proportion they are of that total, and applied that to $3,222.

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so then you get 2,000, 480 dollars for 321 South heart well, 214 for 3-8 McCull and 527 for

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1222 East Broadway.

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Obviously 321 South heart well is a very large project. And typically

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We have the maximum grant of $3,000, which that would 15% of that would be $20,000.

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So option two is kind of taking that $20,000 as like the maximum that would be considered in a grant amount,

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and just applying the proportional, applying it proportionally to that amount.

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So, basically, replacing the 70,000 for 321 salt height well with 20,000 and using that

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proportion.

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So, for that, you get 1,500 roughly for 321 salt height well, 476 for 3-way and a call.

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And 1222 East Broadway for 1171 for 1222 East Broadway.

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Option 3, 321 South Harwell, the project is, I have a recommendation of approval, but

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a portion of that project is not necessarily within what would be the ideal,

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what would

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missions that we do not want to give grant money for that work,

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then basically the other

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two projects you could round to the nearest 50 and then the remaining 2250 on the 12, 22

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east Broadway. So that would be just kind of dividing up what's left among those two.

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And then

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So that's about $600 with Reo8 McCall Street and 14, 88 for 12, 22, he's Broadway and then

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giving the remainder to 321 South Heartwell because certainly a portion of the work that's being

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done for 321 South Heartwell is, it does fall within the typical guidelines for the landmark

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So those are the four options that I've kind of come up with, you know, in discussion with the applicants, you might end up with and amongst yourself,

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you might end up with something different, but I wanted to kind of give you some ideas for ways to allocate the money.

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I would say if you wanted a recommendation, I would probably think option 4 is the most appropriate, but that's something that you guys will have to consider.

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And again, I would recommend going through all of the certificates of a property in S first.

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That's not how we have it on the agenda.

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See, I have to rearrange things.

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Okay.

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So first of all, I just want to make sure that we're all in agreement that we should see the scope of the work before we give the grants out.

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So that, and I'm sorry that that means some of you're going to have to hang out a little bit longer.

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But I think if that makes the most sense.

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Okay, so we'll do that. So we'll hear everybody's case see the projects and then we'll come back to the grants once we have the scope of the work within each one.

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Good. Perfect. Moving on to new business. Item number two, six, zero, four, two, two, four. The landmarks commission certificate of appropriateness for three, two, one.

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South Heartwell Avenue, we're going to review a request

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to replace citing a flat roof and storm windows

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on the non-historic rear attached garage.

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All right, so this is 321 South Heartwell Avenue.

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It's on the east side of Heartwell Avenue

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in the Capals Park Historic District.

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It's just to the south of New Hall Avenue there.

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And this is the Virginia Frame House, which was built in 1938, and has Colonial Revival

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Architecture, and the applicant believes that the house was built for a granddaughter of Andrew

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Frame.

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As you can see it has a stone, stone siding on the front facade and the applicant does not plan to make any alterations to that.

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But there is wood siding on the sides, as you can see there, which is not in bad condition, but certainly would need paint job or some kind of repair work.

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And then also on the rear, and that includes an attached garage, which the applicant believes

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is not historic.

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There are some houses in the Capals Park historic district that have similar attached

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garages.

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The applicant believes that this one is not historic, but there is wood siding on all of

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those sides of the house, and the applicant would like to replace the wood siding with

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help you smart side composite sighting.

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They have a state that they'll use the smooth,

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the smooth sighting, so it wouldn't have a false

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wood grain texture, so it would look,

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you have a look that's closer to the wood sighting,

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and then the dimensions of the new sighting

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would match the existing sighting.

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deciding, there might be some new cornerboards I believe from the estimate, there might be some new cornerboards along that rear section of the house.

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So this is a rear insides of the house that would be replaced, and again, they're going to match the dimensions.

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There's also a, on the garage, there's sort of a, there's a flat roof and a small section of

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shingles.

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They would be replacing bolt the roof and the shingles, the shingles will match the shingles

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on the house and then the roof will be replaced to be properly waterproof and they would

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land to replace the gutters and downspouts on the garage as well.

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Those are currently case-style gutters, so they would be replaced with standard case-style

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gutters to match with six-inch rather than five-inch size, so they would just be a little

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bit larger but they would match the existing and then several of the windows both on the

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And also on the front of the house have storms, which they would like to replace with a combination storm and screen.

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And they have also noted on the application.

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There are some shutters throughout the house.

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Those would be removed and potentially replace if the landmark submission feels that's appropriate.

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So that's something we've had discussion on recently, and some of their houses that the

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shutters are not appropriate, I'm not sure in this style, the colonial revival, they

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might be more common, but maybe could be sized a little differently,

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or a landmark, especially

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might feel that they're not appropriate to replace.

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So this was the estimate that was provided has a detailed kind of run down of all the work

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that's being done and then so again it's just summarized they're replacing the existing

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wood siding on the sides and rear with new LP smart side, the new setting will be smooth

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and we'll match the dimensions, so because of that, because...

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It's a side in the rear because it's smashing the dimensions that staff recommendation is to approve it.

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Even though that isn't something that would necessarily be an ideal replacement.

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And then repairing the southgable windows, replacing the lower storm windows with combination storm and screen, replacing the front cornerboards,

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And replacing the flag garage roof and shingle sections,

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the new shingles will match those,

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the match the roof shingles and then the garage roof will be

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a standard flat roof.

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And replacing the gutters and downspouts

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and adjacent to the garage with K-style six-centra

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of them five-inch.

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Great, thank you.

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Could we have the homeowner, please step up and join us

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and state your name and your address please

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I. Good evening. Good evening. Welcome.

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Thank you. My name is Bill Kirch, addresses 3-2 on South Heartwell as you probably guessed already.

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Perfect. Is there anything else that you'd like to add to what Charlie already stated today?

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I would like to just add that I do not know if the garage is historical. When we first moved in,

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we went to the Historical Society and they had no records of this house.

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no pictures or anything to tell us what it originally looked like. So I could have been

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poked off for all I know, but probably not. I do know the garage is old, and it is in the

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same style, the paneling or sighting is in the same style as the rest of the house. So I also know

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that it really desperately needs a new roof. And so that's all I really want to add to that.

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Perfect. Thank you.

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Anybody have any questions?

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Marty?

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Did you say what year it was built?

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Thirty-seven?

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Thirty-three-seven.

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So they had cars back then, so maybe they had a garage.

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Quite well.

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Yes.

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There's a little milk shoot in the breezeway behind

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between the house and the garage

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that is we've kept on as part of the historic part of it.

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mean, to me, it feels like that garage was not original shortly after, with that door that exits out to the second floor door, I mean, that is not a new door either, so maybe there was a railing around the top of it at some time.

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You see that kind of mansory with a railing if someone, you know, someone, some deck or something, but I mean, I don't know how that informs our decision today, but it feels like it could have been original.

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And how do you feel about the shutters?

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I think two shutters on a single window is a great start.

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I mean, proportionally, again, it kind of repeat from last month, you know, if there are new shutters going on, just sizing them appropriately.

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If they were to close, they could cover those windows.

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I think feels architecturally correct.

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Yeah, I was thinking just no shutters at all because they're very hard to secure on the stone facing.

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Sure. We welcome that. Okay. Just because exactly what was just mentioned is is that

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shutters, when they close, should look like they're going to cover the half. The window

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be functional. Exactly. Even if they're decorative and will never be shut and so that is what

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makes them out of step with the house. Okay. So. I had a question regarding the door that

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would go to the top of the garage. I guess if you're going to keep the door and people are

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going to go out there, you know, I'll be the time to make sure that if you are doing something

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with that garage roof that I'm assuming people would want to walk there or put some kind of furniture

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on it or or get rid of the door inside over it. That's your decision, but just if you have people

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walking on your roof, make sure it's structurally sound, you know, it's my only one.

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Yeah, we're definitely going to make it structurally sound.

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There is Mr. Angler.

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We'll see to that.

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Do you have the, I believe that's one reason

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the garage was made the way it was

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and not a steeper angle because they wanted access

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to the door and the windows on the backside,

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but I don't know.

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What's the code on height and railing?

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I think that that's,

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I mean, that's a building and specter

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enforcement thing probably, but yeah, I mean right now, it doesn't meet code.

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The city would say put a-

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The railing is 36, but once you go over the height of 31 inches or something like that, you're required for safety reasons to have a railing. I'm just warning you in case you get an inspector out there, that might be something that if you want to have access to that space, you're going to be in a situation where you're going to have to put a railing in.

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Just to be aware that's our job.

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Or the door becomes a window or the door just gets closed.

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That may come up.

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Any other questions?

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All right.

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I'm looking for a motion for approval of the COA.

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I'll make the motion to approve the COA for 321,

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yourself heart well for the replacement of sighting the flat roof, the storm windows, that's

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really an amazing job that you're going to do. So I'll make a motion for that.

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Can I tack on to that emotion?

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Yes, yes. Just that if we're removing the shutters that they would stay removed, then.

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Thank you.

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So that I'll second.

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Hear me.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Great.

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You're approved.

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Thank you very much all of you.

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Thank you so much.

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We'll circle back on the grand.

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You have part two, I guess?

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Yep.

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Part two.

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Coming up after these messages.

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I'm kidding.

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Just sit back down.

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Yes, please.

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And thank you.

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Be comfortable.

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All right.

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Moving on to item number two six zero four two.

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for zero landmarks commission certificate of appropriateness for 308 McColl Street. We're going to review

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a consultation request to repaint wood trim sections.

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All right. Three OA McColl Street is in the McColl Street historic district. It's on the

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side of McCall Street right between Charles and James Streets and this is the Frank Lyman and Walter

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and Jesse Sleephouse, which was originally built in 1880 with a Talian 8-style and it was

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extensively remodeled in the 1930s, so if the style is now considered to be a hybrid of

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Italianate and Georgian Revival, and the house is considered to be one of the pivotal houses

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to the McCall Street Historic District.

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And as you can see, it mostly has brick sighting, but there are some wood trim sections,

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both in the door, in this sunroom area, and then the window frames and window trim,

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then also the the softets and fascia throughout the house and the advocate would like to replace

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repaint just those wood sections and with some maybe some wood repair and a few spots like

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the section that's that's pictured there so those will all be repainted the color will match the

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existing some of the first four portions will be completed by the owners and and then the paint

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purchase was done by the honours and the contractor will do the remaining work, including the upper

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story sections. And this is a consultation request since it's just, it wouldn't need to come

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for approval, except that they are applying for a paid repair rate.

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Perfect. Great. If the homeowner could join us, please up front and state your name and your

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address, please for the record. Thank you.

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It was floors 308 McColle Street. Is there anything

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else who'd like to add to what Charlie's already stated today.

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Oh no, I think he comforted it.

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He doesn't go job, doesn't he?

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He does.

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We love Charlie.

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Better picture than I do.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Does anybody have any questions?

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Marty?

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It was just about the wood rot.

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It areas that they would obviously just animate the same thing in replacing the stuff that's

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bad.

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What was that?

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The Woodrot that we see here.

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Oh, we're at the side yet.

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It was never completed.

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So that has to be that was the part.

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That needs to be completed on that on the second story, bassha and eaves. And it will be identical to what's already there, so it will just like a repair as if it's a sewer chain.

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And those shutters are coming down. Okay. The bats like to live behind them. Wow.

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There were a lot of shutters all around the house and the other ones have been removed, but these have hadn't quite been removed yet.

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Okay. Great. Any other questions?

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It's a great house. We love it. Beautiful house. We love the house. Alrighty so I'm looking for a motion for this COA please.

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I'll second. Thank you.

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I.

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I. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Perfect. You're approved? Well, not you've already been approved, but now you qualify for a paint repair grant.

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So thank you. Give us a couple seconds and we'll get right back to that. Thank you.

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Okay moving on to item 2604241 landmarks commission. Sorry. Sorry. Take it back. Take it back.

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We're moving ahead one. To item 2604256 landmarks commission certificate appropriateness

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for 1, 2, 2, 1, 2, 2. East Broadway, we're going to review or request to replace the garage door and repair several windows.

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All right. So this is 12.22 East Broadway. It is in the East Broadway historic district.

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It's on the north side of Broadway between Frederick Street and Porter Avenue, just to the southeast of Wagner Park.

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This is the Edward Porter and George B. Harris House, which was built in 1870, and this house was also

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went through a substantial renovation in 1908 and 1930. I believe George Harris was the owner

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for one of those later renovations.

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So it has English revival style architecture.

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And as you can see, it has a detached garage, which is behind the house and is about 200 feet back, I believe, from East Broadway.

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And the applicant liked to replace the garage doors. This was a situation where the existing garage door was contracted and determined that it was unsafe.

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So we did grant an emergency COA to start the work of replacing them early so they have been removed.

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Here's a this is a Google Street view photo from what it was before it was removed.

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This was a wood garage door that was sort of a blank white wood or a solid white wood door.

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This was not original. It was from the 1970s. The new garage. As you can see, this is a historic photo from

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if not the period of historic significance from closer to it. As you can see, the garage shows at that time had

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had windows along the top section, so the applicant who is Tony Lanza would like to replace

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the garage with a new aluminum garage door and with windows to match the ones that were

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originally there, so he was considering some different options for windows and to match

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the historic photos, he had selected the stocked in style, so this is the of those options.

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This is a square window to match that photo, to match the ones that were in that photo.

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And then along with the windows on the detached garage, there is an additional attached garage,

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which in this case is definitely not historic that is a later edition, and it's also not

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visible at all from the public street, so you'd like to replace that garage door as

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well. And then along with replacing the garage doors, there are several windows, specifically

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on storm and the interior on this.

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So, here's the exterior, the storm door, and then the interior has some let-it-class windows. So, the storm window

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paying needs to be replaced, as you can see from the covering there, and then the let-it-class

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on the interior needs some repairs, and then there are some storms throughout the house, which also

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some repairs as well. So those will be repaired rather than replaced. And there are some

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sections that need replacement glass, but the windows themselves will be replaced to match the

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existing. So they're replacing the garage doors. New doors will be aluminum panels with stacked

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in window style. And then repairing the round top storm windows and then also some double home windows.

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but in the storm door window insert will be replaced and then the door panel will be repaired as well.

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Great, thank you, Charlie.

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Do we have the homeowner here?

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Yeah.

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That's you.

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All right.

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Well, I guess you've had to go up the other way.

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You could please state your name and address for the record, please.

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Tony Lanzo, 1222 East Broadway.

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Awesome.

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Is there anything else you'd like to add to what Charlie's already stated?

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The garage was actually I've already been replaced.

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They were, like he had mentioned, the one cable snapped and the guy had said that they're

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so old that they actually didn't, didn't Dean them safe.

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And so he said I wouldn't even, and then on the small carriage house door he said I wouldn't even

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operate it.

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So then that's where I was like I just need to get these ordered ASAP.

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So the carriage house doors to that historic picture that he shared.

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That's why we picked those stocked in Windows.

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also kind of give it to resemble the look of that, and then the one on the touch garage, as you mentioned, is not historical by nature at all, so then we just did no windows on that one.

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Did anybody else have any questions?

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No.

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Okay, I'm looking for a motion for the COA of this project.

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Let's just cut to the case.

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I'm not going to beg.

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I'm going to put LPA.

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proposed to approve landmarks item two six zero four two four one I'm sorry I did it again landmark submission certificate of appropriate as for one two two two east broadway and I suggest we approve as stated in the request.

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Do I have a second. I'll second.

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Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.

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You are approved. Thank you. And there is no favoritism there I promise. Okay. Moving on. Now we've got everything done, right? So now we get to go back. Perfect.

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Before we start, I just want to Charlie, can you please put up that lovely little chart that you had with all the different options?

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Thank you. And just to get any comments, feedback right now before we go down the road.

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And I do have, I could break out the, you know, there are at least for two of the three.

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There's, it's kind of broken out a little bit, so I could explain that if you'd like.

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but we

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won for 321 Hartwell and assuming is one that you have it broken down seeing that

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the cost was 70,000 in you said not everything there was that one we landmark I didn't

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have it broken out beforehand but the applicants might be able to provide some detail on that.

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I think we want to know what you are basing the 1-1-2-8, the 1-5-7-4, based out at 70,

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like what's the ratio with that, right?

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Yeah, so we'll sort of...

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Considering what would be part of the pink and repair grade?

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Yeah, so I guess basically the idea was the LP Smart side,

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citing would not be replacing what's citing would not be with LP Smart side,

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would not be something that's considered to be ideal for a historic house.

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In this case, it was rear sighting and they're matching the following all the other

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guidelines.

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But that's something that, in some other cases, the landmark submission is said, we don't

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want to give full grants or give a grant at all, in some cases, when there's work that's

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being done that wouldn't be what's happening.

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I deal. The rest of it all meets all the guidelines, you know, as far as.

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So the guidelines that are being met does the option two or option four dollar a month that you have listed

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bit with a dollar a month that you're basing the, it wasn't based.

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It wasn't broken out for those options. So that's, if the applicant has has some detail, then you might want to

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You know, we might want to divide it out a little differently.

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For the proportions, the option one proportion, I just took 70,000, 6,559, 14,885.

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Each of those were the proportion of 90,000 of the total of the three and then applied

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that to 3,222.

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So, I think 70,000 was something like 70% of that total and then the other ones were a smaller amount.

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Option two, I just replaced that 70,000 with the 20,000 because that would be sort of the maximum that would be considered for a typical grant and did the same thing.

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And then option 4, I reduced the other 2, 3-8 McCall in 12, 22 is Broadway to 10% of the grant of the estimated cost.

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And then the remainder that was left over of that 3,222 just applied to 321 salt power.

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Well,

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can I throw a wrench in there?

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My estimate, so my path garage has no historical significance and then it has like the lift

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Masters in there and things like that.

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So I took out that $350 from there.

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So I actually, I would say my historical total would be $11,835 versus what's on there just more for it.

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Knowing that those things are not historical and I don't think receiving anything for a garage opener would be fair.

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So if we have your spreadsheet open and ready to adjust and

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I do think the applicant for

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321 South Harwell might be able to provide a little bit more detail on the breaking

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it down a little bit more if you'd like to hear that.

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Here's a question, if we deduct the amount that Tony just said, right, that would lower his amount and then can we take whatever that is left over and divide it up between the other two people.

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So that makes sense?

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Right.

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Yeah, that would be something.

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I could pull this bird sheet back up.

421
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Yeah, put those numbers in there and make the computer do the word.

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And thank you, Tony.

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is 11,835 and I said that.

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So that reduced some of them.

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I think I would have to put it into here. Also,

426
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yeah, this is going to be very confusing.

427
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I'm making you work Charlie, huh? Yes.

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While he's doing that, is there an option that makes the most sense?

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I like option 4, just most equitable, you know what I mean?

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We always like to give more percentages, but that just feels like the numbers make it worth it for the homeowners, you know what I'm saying?

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In my mind.

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I agree with Option 4 as presented how the numbers are being adjusted unless some other

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applicant wanted to withdraw their application. They got approval for their project but if they

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did not wish to receive funds that would help others as well but if that's not option I'm still going to stick with option 4. Thank you.

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I'm just curious to see how that changes the numbers.

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So the nut difference is 305, if you divide that by 2w15250, if you're going to split that equally between

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Part-well and the call, that's what you'd add 15250 to each of those.

438
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Right.

439
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Oops.

440
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It's also harder to do on this one than

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desktop computer.

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So that would bring it up to 1284, 321 salt high weld, 758.

443
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,220
for three-way at McCall Street and then 1,183 for 12,222 east Broadway.

444
00:41:56,340 --> 00:41:57,140
Do you want to just add

445
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:05,860
that 1,183,50 to that last column? So then it told us it up so we get that. Yeah, make sure

446
00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:08,700
that we're in the next three, two, two, and 50.

447
00:42:17,950 --> 00:42:19,730
Yeah, what a sum in this one.

448
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,520
Yeah, so that would

449
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,640
up to 3,022 and 50.

450
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,780
Thank you.

451
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,520
So what do we think about this?

452
00:42:45,110 --> 00:42:46,130
Is that like better than everybody?

453
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,080
Okay, if somebody could give me a...

454
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,920
Yeah, just let's suggest which one ever you want.

455
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:07,360
Okay, I make a recommendation to approve the option for, except now it's option 5.

456
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,120
Do you want us to do each one or do you want us to do what your numbers are?

457
00:43:14,260 --> 00:43:15,880
Read each one for the agenda, please.

458
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:17,060
Okay, thank you.

459
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:25,820
So, proving four, three, two, one, south, heart, well, 12, 80, 0.60,

460
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,640
four, three, eight, McCall, 758, 0.40,

461
00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:33,880
separate.

462
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,720
separate. Sure. Then we'll just stick with the 321 South Heart Well for 1280 60.

463
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:41,460
I'll second.

464
00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:49,650
Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi. Hi.

465
00:43:53,790 --> 00:44:00,550
We have a car. It just looks cleaner.

466
00:44:06,780 --> 00:44:13,240
Perfect. So thank you. 321 South Heart Well. You get the amount that was just stated.

467
00:44:14,180 --> 00:44:15,140
Thank you.

468
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:25,060
And then the next one please. Back to the sheet Charlie. So that was 758. Oh, yeah.

469
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:30,480
We have to wait for the 758 dollars and 40 cents was for three-way at McAll Street.

470
00:44:32,340 --> 00:44:40,560
Okay, so I'll make a motion to approve 758-40-4308 McCall Street.

471
00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:42,260
Second.

472
00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:50,650
I.

473
00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:52,190
Hi.

474
00:44:53,710 --> 00:44:53,950
Hi.

475
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:54,390
Hi.

476
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:54,570
Hi.

477
00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:55,170
Hi.

478
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:55,970
Fibstein.

479
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,420
Perfect. Approved. Four, three, eight, McAll Street. Whatever that month that was just on the screen that I cannot retain the number, it's yours.

480
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,980
Thank you.

481
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,020
Okay, the last one that I could not retain the number on.

482
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:21,500
Four, one, two, two, east Broadway.

483
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,700
I make a motion to approve the 12, 83, 50.

484
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:27,740
Was it?

485
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:29,940
No, 11, 80, the room for 50.

486
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,240
11, 83, 50. What was listed?

487
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:33,900
There we go.

488
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,640
11-ids, 25-ids, certificates.

489
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:36,480
Second,

490
00:45:40,270 --> 00:45:40,610
aye.

491
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:42,490
Aye.

492
00:45:42,490 --> 00:45:42,650
Aye.

493
00:45:42,930 --> 00:45:43,090
Aye.

494
00:45:43,490 --> 00:45:43,650
Aye.

495
00:45:44,110 --> 00:45:44,310
I've seen.

496
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:47,490
And I'd just like to put an umbrella to that

497
00:45:47,490 --> 00:45:55,330
that for all of those paint repair grants are based on shipau approval on the back end, which we need to state.

498
00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:55,950
Aye.

499
00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:56,350
Thank you.

500
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:59,510
Finally on the specific COA.

501
00:45:59,590 --> 00:46:00,110
Thank you.

502
00:46:02,820 --> 00:46:07,500
So, thank you all very much for your patience on having to wait for us to go on.

503
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:14,760
through that. But it just made the most sense. Great. So we're going to move on to the Alderman's

504
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:20,800
report. Excellent. Thank you. Hopefully, those in the city of Wakashore,

505
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,200
elected visited city of Wakashore got their parks and wrecked

506
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,320
guy. There's a lot of things coming up just about every weekend in parks and October fest.

507
00:46:28,820 --> 00:46:37,480
And I always mentioned Wakashore unlocked. And that is the tenth in the 11th or another tenth. Yeah,

508
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,860
So check the website, check your favorite local business or church, maybe on it.

509
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:43,920
Thank you.

510
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,580
To tack on to that?

511
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,160
Yes.

512
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:53,560
October Fest is always looking for volunteers, and they get three something, you know,

513
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,480
is what I saw.

514
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,640
So maybe you know more.

515
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,360
Thank you, Marty.

516
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,960
Yeah, check with April on the park and wreck.

517
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,340
She sends out emails if you're not an April's email volunteer list.

518
00:47:04,340 --> 00:47:10,540
check out April. She'll send you monthly opportunities to volunteer throughout the city. Thank you.

519
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,240
Perfect. Thank you. And we're going to move on to the spring support.

520
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,500
And Charlie now, I guess would be a good time to address.

521
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,280
It was brought up for public comment at the top of the meeting.

522
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:24,260
Yep. So we do not have what we've had in the past.

523
00:47:24,260 --> 00:47:39,680
Sometimes we'll just put out a sign-up, sign-up requests for kind of anybody to come help out with the springs and we'll typically get a groups of, you know, five or six people.

524
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,740
that will help with the cleanup.

525
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,560
This year, Tony has a group that he's worked with

526
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:53,140
and has volunteered to come help out in early October

527
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:58,620
so that would be prior to the walk shot unlocked.

528
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,000
So there would be enough time to get that done.

529
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,900
And certainly with this group, the vast majority

530
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:14,420
of the of the work that needs to be done will be on miniscule spring and and that would include

531
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:23,300
both the cleaning up inside the spring base and itself and then we believe we'll be able to get the

532
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:29,500
parks department to drop off wood chips to lay down on the paths so there'd be some clean up and laying

533
00:48:29,500 --> 00:48:35,220
down the wood chips and hopefully there are some trees that are across the path currently

534
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:42,700
The forestry department will clear those trees, so I have a request into them to hopefully

535
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:45,960
get that done ahead of time.

536
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:55,660
So that all should be done depending on availability and need, mostly on whether, how much

537
00:48:55,660 --> 00:49:02,680
the leaves are fallen by that point, we might also have them do some raking and cleaning at

538
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:10,100
was spring as well, but that should all be done ahead of the Wakushan

539
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:11,120
Act 2ers.

540
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,180
We don't have a date with Tony's group yet for that.

541
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:19,360
We had either the October 5th or October 7th, or just kind of both of them are open,

542
00:49:19,580 --> 00:49:23,660
which depends on whether to have myself.

543
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:27,740
Well, yeah, we'll have her meeting before that next month.

544
00:49:28,580 --> 00:49:29,240
Well, no.

545
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:33,220
Yeah, that's October 7th, I think is the first one.

546
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,940
Yeah, so maybe either way, probably.

547
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,220
You're handling it.

548
00:49:38,220 --> 00:49:38,240
Yeah.

549
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:38,800
Awesome.

550
00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:40,720
Thank you so much for doing that.

551
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,200
Great.

552
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,300
So the other question I have?

553
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:43,840
Yes.

554
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:45,740
Did I have it?

555
00:49:45,780 --> 00:49:46,680
I just lost it.

556
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:47,380
I don't know.

557
00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:48,740
It's like I could remember the numbers.

558
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:49,760
We're all good.

559
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:50,980
No.

560
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:56,040
Do we have a list of the springs that are going to be on the springs,

561
00:49:56,060 --> 00:49:59,220
tour, so that they make sure they hit all those springs.

562
00:49:59,220 --> 00:49:59,980
to make sure they're...

563
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,740
There are four springs on the tour.

564
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,180
Act Me is one of them,

565
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:17,340
and then Hobo and then Sellerian Spring, there isn't really, at Sellerian,

566
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:25,480
there isn't work that needs to be done outside. The inside, there's just some dust and debris that

567
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,580
on the floor of the spring house. I was planning to just go out there and do that

568
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:35,600
on a weekday because I don't take 10 minutes to sweep it out.

569
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:38,520
Like, why does it act me and bring it lower?

570
00:50:39,260 --> 00:50:41,540
Right. Yeah. That might be an easier option.

571
00:50:42,780 --> 00:50:49,760
It acts me. There's typically, there's a couple of your cans in there from people who are having a

572
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,560
party down by the spring. I guess. Well, I'll just go and clear those out.

573
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,180
Maybe we should do that.

574
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:56,460
There is a new concept.

575
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,320
Hardening at the springs.

576
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:01,400
Can I have our next meeting there?

577
00:51:01,580 --> 00:51:02,580
Yeah, okay.

578
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,320
As long as it's long enough, leave a good letter there.

579
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:07,360
No, leave a good letter.

580
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:09,380
We'll pick up our beer cans.

581
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,420
All right.

582
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,360
So that's the springs report.

583
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,080
We will look forward to hearing what got done next month.

584
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:22,220
And then we're going to move on to the communications and publications, please.

585
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:26,760
All right, so the only thing I have is, as Aldermen Cousine mentioned,

586
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,820
Warkish on Locks, is October 10th and 11th, so be sure to come out and

587
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:35,380
tour any of the sites that you would like to see.

588
00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:43,340
And the springs tour will be on the 11th, Marty and Carmen have both volunteered

589
00:51:43,340 --> 00:51:45,100
to help with leading the tour.

590
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:50,000
We have a script that was developed by Julie Scar Prajji, our former member

591
00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:19,980
and

592
00:52:19,980 --> 00:52:28,980
issues, so I haven't asked, but I maybe I will, but typically we have three tours, a 10 a.m.

593
00:52:29,020 --> 00:52:35,820
two noon and two p.m. on that Sunday. Marty and Carmen at both said that they can help as

594
00:52:35,820 --> 00:52:43,340
much as we need. If there is anybody else who wants to help out, that would be greatly appreciated,

595
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:51,120
but otherwise we can we can work we can figure it out with

596
00:52:52,460 --> 00:52:54,380
between Marty and Karen and myself.

597
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:59,160
So if you would like to just let me know after you

598
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:03,930
are.

599
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:08,470
So I just want to put a plug out to the public watching this.

600
00:53:08,830 --> 00:53:10,050
We could use volunteers.

601
00:53:11,250 --> 00:53:13,650
Yes, if anybody happens to be watching this meeting

602
00:53:13,650 --> 00:53:16,170
and would like to volunteer, you're more than welcome.

603
00:53:16,170 --> 00:53:21,510
Eric, can we get a coach bus with instead of the school bus?

604
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:23,030
It's typically a school bus.

605
00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:24,450
Ah, cheap.

606
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:28,680
Is there anything else that you have for your?

607
00:53:28,740 --> 00:53:29,820
That's all I have for you.

608
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:30,520
Okay, perfect.

609
00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:31,700
So thank you.

610
00:53:31,780 --> 00:53:33,460
Everybody this meeting is adjourned.

611
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:34,320
All right.

612
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:34,960
Thank you.